From daistiho at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  1 00:11:33 2008
From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 04:11:33 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Odd layered feature in NWAXXX specimen
Message-ID: <BAY115-W4755698E37394BAB176AD7CA420@phx.gbl>


I was going through a batch of unclassified NWAXXX rocks and putting the small ones in mylar baggies for giveaway.  One of the specimens caught my eye; surface features make it seem to have many thin layers, like slate or shale.  It is attracted to a magnet, so chances are good it really is a meteorite and not an erratic that got tossed into the hopper, but I am at a loss as to what might naturally produce this type of effect.  Any ideas?

Tracy Latimer

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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  1 00:14:21 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:14:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Odd layered feature in NWAXXX specimen
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-W4755698E37394BAB176AD7CA420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <763956.62995.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tracy, I have seen this before in extremely old weathered pieces, especially in iron meteorite shale, the layering is normal. 
Mike



--- On Tue, 9/30/08, tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Odd layered feature in NWAXXX specimen
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 10:11 PM
> I was going through a batch of unclassified NWAXXX rocks and
> putting the small ones in mylar baggies for giveaway.  One
> of the specimens caught my eye; surface features make it
> seem to have many thin layers, like slate or shale.  It is
> attracted to a magnet, so chances are good it really is a
> meteorite and not an erratic that got tossed into the
> hopper, but I am at a loss as to what might naturally
> produce this type of effect.  Any ideas?
> 
> Tracy Latimer
> 
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From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Wed Oct  1 00:23:44 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:23:44 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Odd layered feature in NWAXXX specimen
Message-ID: <c82.2c1a1006.36145550@aol.com>

Tracy,  I am always on the lookout for odd  or unusual meteorites in piles of 
unclassified.  Out of nearly 1000 Kg I  have found two stones that match this 
description.  I don't have any  micrographs at the time but I have examined 
them in high magnification and they  are stone meteorites.

Keep that one,  I think that a very different  process was at work.

Tom Phillips

In a message dated 9/30/2008  10:15:12 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes:
Tracy, I  have seen this before in extremely old weathered pieces, especially 
in iron  meteorite shale, the layering is normal. 
Mike



--- On Tue,  9/30/08, tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From:  tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Odd  layered feature in NWAXXX specimen
> To:  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008,  10:11 PM
> I was going through a batch of unclassified NWAXXX rocks  and
> putting the small ones in mylar baggies for giveaway.   One
> of the specimens caught my eye; surface features make it
>  seem to have many thin layers, like slate or shale.  It is
>  attracted to a magnet, so chances are good it really is a
> meteorite and  not an erratic that got tossed into the
> hopper, but I am at a loss as to  what might naturally
> produce this type of effect.  Any  ideas?
> 
> Tracy Latimer
> 
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From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:38:13 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 1,
	2008
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Wed Oct  1 01:41:29 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:41:29 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay Daze - Great Deals - AD
Message-ID: <5DE5B63EAFF24EBF82D8BC0CE9955FD1@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

After a quick 5-day meteorite data gathering/hunting trip to a couple locals 
in New Mexico, I see several of my weekly eBay items are still at just 99 
cents. These end today (Wednesday, October 1st) under my seller name, 
NaturesVault. There may only be a small amount of items, but they have a big 
"impact" :-) All 18 items can be seen here: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

Here is a nice little Glorieta siderite:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170265930378

.. a beautifully etched Muonionalusta slice at just 10 cents per gram!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170265931612

... how about a 60% fusion crusted Martian Individual currently at $47.00 
per gram!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170265926610

Be sure to check out the lunars, Martians, super are achondrites and the 
other goodies going so cheap, you'll be dazed and dazzled!

Best regards and "Thank You" for bidding,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
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From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Wed Oct  1 06:09:53 2008
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:09:53 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending on Saturday
Message-ID: <003e01c923ad$e28a0420$0701a8c0@T42>

Dear All,

This week and next week i am travelling in the North of Ghana, but i still
try my best to keep you informed about all my auctions that are going to end
on Saturday ; Some nice goodies are there, waiting for you at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow

You will see a nice oriented CHERGACH, a beautiful slice of DAG 573 (L4)
with fusion crust, a 195.8g oriented individual of TAZA(!!!), 2 unclassified
fusion crusted chondrites from the Sahara (nice individuals), a great
partslice of my howardite being classified by Jean-Alix Barrat (NWA XXX is
the working name i gave it in the meantime...), a 431g individual of SAHARA
02500 (A GREAT L3 with FUSION CRUST) and a 44.7g fragment of SAHARA 03501, a
VERY FRESH H4 with a beautiful fusion crust on one of its sides.

For your information, even though i am now in Ghana, my meteorites are still
in France with my brother, who is shipping them for me once in a week after
the auctions are finished. As far as i'm concerned, i am still available to
answer your questions, should you have some, as i normally get access to the
Internet almost everyday. Only the from Sept. 30 till Oct. 13 i may not be
reachable on a daily basis, but be sure that i'll keep in touch as often as
possible.

So have a look and catch your chance!
Thanks and kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA #2491


From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  1 06:58:36 2008
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 03:58:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] guinea pig in Space/Christ and 12 disciples dining
	on guinea pig
Message-ID: <689900.93424.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

List,
  We often think of the humble Guinea Pig as no more than a humble mantool for research to be sacrificed or eaten; in fact the Guinea Pig are one of the most noble of all creatures. They may even have aided in saving the human race in space.  The were also one of the animals sacrificed to later be a meteorite; maybe the number of dogs, monkeys and humans is/was far less.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_pigs

"Guinea pigs have been launched into orbital space-flight several times, first by the USSR on the Sputnik 9 biosatellite of March 9, 1961 - with a successful recovery.[111] China also launched and recovered a biosatellite in 1990 which included guinea pigs as passengers."

Please take the time to think about the role that many species have played in potentially saving humans.

Best Always in your endeavors but leave the Noble Guinea Pig alone,
  Dirk Ross...Tokyo  

From bristolia at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  1 09:43:52 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:43:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Canada was a refuge during Permian-Triassic
	extinctions
Message-ID: <818403.26457.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Canada a refuge in prehistoric holocaust by Randy Boswell
Canwest News Service, September 30, 2008
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=7e1d9583-f96b-4148-bec1-2cd1f66bad57

Canada's shores saved animals from devastating climate 
change, EurekAlert, September 30, 2008
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-09/uoc-css093008.php

Beatty, T. W., J-P Zonneveld, and C. M. Henderson, 2008, 
Anomalously diverse Early Triassic ichnofossil assemblages 
in northwest Pangea: A case for a shallow-marine habitable 
zone. Geology. vol. 36, no. 10. pp. 771-774. 

http://www.gsajournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1130%2FG24952A.1&ct=1

Yours,

Paul H.


      

From valparint at aol.com  Wed Oct  1 12:00:18 2008
From: valparint at aol.com (valparint at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:00:18 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction
Message-ID: <F0PBX619CMdZpDsiIWe00000368@f0pbx61.vpoffsiteweb.local>

The digest often comes out multiple times per day but it is definitely not 
the thing to watch for action on the scale of a few hours.

Paul Swartz

>Of course, the digest is done once a day. If I email that my auctions are 
>ending, they are >likely to end long before you get the digest. When you 
>get the individual emails, they are >usually instant.
>It is your choice to get timely emails or hours late emails.
>Michael Farmer


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Oct  1 12:40:24 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:40:24 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: AUCTIONS ENDING TODAY! Great Deals Still
	Abound! 24 Hour 30% Off In Ebay Store!
Message-ID: <200810011043620.SM00560@yourfsyly0jtwn>



________________________________________
From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:24 AM
To: 'michael cottingham'
Subject: AD: AUCTIONS ENDING TODAY! Great Deals Still Abound! 24 Hour 30%
Off In Ebay Store!




Hello,

Some good deals to be had this week!? Also, Thanks for all your business!?
Also, there is a 24 hour, 30% off of Everything Sale in my ebay store!
Starts at 11 am pacific time, today!



MAIN STORE LINK:
http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store?



CHECK THESE OUT!

Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 3.21g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257053770

NWA 2621, L4, Really Nice, 28.95 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257072169

Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 8.08g, This is a great specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256823325

Very Rare INDIAN VALLEY, Va., IIAB Iron,0.86g, Only Specimen I Have!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257324165

Extremely Rare OGALLALA, Nebraska, IAB Iron, Only Piece I have as well
super
rare!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257322327

CANYON DIABLO Graphite Nodule Endcut, 142.28g, You Got To See This
One
started out at 0.99 cents!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257290207

Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 16g, Worth 1k+, A Fine Fine Offering! 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257188870

Beautiful Iron, Sweden, MUONIONALUSTA, 214g, This Slice Is Really Rare Due
To Its Inclusion!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257186193

Rare Ungrouped Ataxite, TISHOMINGO, Ok, 29g, Only Slice I Have Of This Rare
Iron
Nice One Too!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257076716

(NEW), LA LUZ, New Mexico, H4, LTKW, 6.35g, When My Listed Specimens Are
Gone That Is It!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256823876

Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 141g, I am getting down to the last
slices!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256824846

A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 1886g, This Is A LARGE, LARGE, LARGE
Specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256825567

Super Rare GEORGETOWN, Australia, 12.38 gram, One of Last Specimens
Available!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257052110

Rare SANTA APOLONIA, Mexico, IIIAB Iron,0.97g, Only One I have of this one

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256828305

Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 41.02 gram, Take A Look!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256831057

A Classic, OZONA, Texas, H6 Chondrite, 15.30g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256827233

Specimen of CAMEL DONGA, Eucrite, Australia, Nice part slice.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256832705

Super Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 2g, Check This Beauty Out!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256826587

(NEW), NWA 5054, Wholesale Lot, L5, 520g , My Last Lot!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256826304

Super Rare FOREST VALE, Australian Fall, H4, Only Specimen I Have
Pretty
Rare!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257053059

Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 3.21g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257053770

CANYON DIABLO Individual, 324 gram, A Nice Big Specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257054431

(New) NWA 4881, Lunar Feldspathic Specimen
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257056550

One of THE RAREST- HONOLULU, Hawaii, 0.153g, MY VERY LAST SPECIMEN TO
OFFER..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257061177

Complete Slice, (NEW), NWA 4978, L5, 58.47g, Last Specimen To Offer!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257064274

The LAHOMA, Beautiful L5 From Ok. 27.20g Lot, Last Specimens!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257068603

Also Check out these slices!

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 2130g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258436414

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 510g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258439136

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 314g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258440600

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 262g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258444388

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 328g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258447790

Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

























































From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Oct  1 12:41:19 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:41:19 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: AUCTIONS ENDING TODAY! Great Deals Still
	Abound! 24 Hour 30% Off In Ebay Store!
Message-ID: <200810011044481.SM00560@yourfsyly0jtwn>







Hello,

Some good deals to be had this week!? Also, Thanks for all your business!?
Also, there is a 24 hour, 30% off of Everything Sale in my ebay store!
Starts at 11am pacific time today!



MAIN STORE LINK:
http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store?



CHECK THESE OUT!

Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 3.21g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257053770

NWA 2621, L4, Really Nice, 28.95 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257072169

Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 8.08g, This is a great specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256823325

Very Rare INDIAN VALLEY, Va., IIAB Iron,0.86g, Only Specimen I Have!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257324165

Extremely Rare OGALLALA, Nebraska, IAB Iron, Only Piece I have as well
super
rare!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257322327

CANYON DIABLO Graphite Nodule Endcut, 142.28g, You Got To See This
One
started out at 0.99 cents!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257290207

Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 16g, Worth 1k+, A Fine Fine Offering! 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257188870

Beautiful Iron, Sweden, MUONIONALUSTA, 214g, This Slice Is Really Rare Due
To Its Inclusion!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257186193

Rare Ungrouped Ataxite, TISHOMINGO, Ok, 29g, Only Slice I Have Of This Rare
Iron
Nice One Too!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257076716

(NEW), LA LUZ, New Mexico, H4, LTKW, 6.35g, When My Listed Specimens Are
Gone That Is It!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256823876

Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 141g, I am getting down to the last
slices!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256824846

A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 1886g, This Is A LARGE, LARGE, LARGE
Specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256825567

Super Rare GEORGETOWN, Australia, 12.38 gram, One of Last Specimens
Available!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257052110

Rare SANTA APOLONIA, Mexico, IIIAB Iron,0.97g, Only One I have of this one

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256828305

Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 41.02 gram, Take A Look!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256831057

A Classic, OZONA, Texas, H6 Chondrite, 15.30g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256827233

Specimen of CAMEL DONGA, Eucrite, Australia, Nice part slice.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256832705

Super Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 2g, Check This Beauty Out!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256826587

(NEW), NWA 5054, Wholesale Lot, L5, 520g , My Last Lot!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256826304

Super Rare FOREST VALE, Australian Fall, H4, Only Specimen I Have
Pretty
Rare!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257053059

Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 3.21g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257053770

CANYON DIABLO Individual, 324 gram, A Nice Big Specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257054431

(New) NWA 4881, Lunar Feldspathic Specimen
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257056550

One of THE RAREST- HONOLULU, Hawaii, 0.153g, MY VERY LAST SPECIMEN TO
OFFER..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257061177

Complete Slice, (NEW), NWA 4978, L5, 58.47g, Last Specimen To Offer!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257064274

The LAHOMA, Beautiful L5 From Ok. 27.20g Lot, Last Specimens!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257068603

Also Check out these slices!

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 2130g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258436414

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 510g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258439136

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 314g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258440600

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 262g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258444388

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 328g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258447790

Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

























































From grf2 at verizon.net  Wed Oct  1 14:26:29 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:26:29 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Jules Verne goes to pieces
References: <d02.424a48df.36124ce4@aol.com>
	<c7g4e4d53va5ik3d09kjs10t69t998lfli@4ax.com>
	<BAY115-W291564B8211C9FA20DD256CA430@phx.gbl>
	<f6q4e4t5el5o7b8i9tocja2fncsjte813f@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <7FB5947EB605470C9439AA50127563FB@ASUS>

At the distance from camera to object, even a stable tripod mounted camera 
would show the image as seen in the video. Even NASA footage describes what 
I'm talking about.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Jules Verne goes to pieces


> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:25:50 +0000, you wrote:
>
>>
>>Was this video slowed down for details?  It took about 2 1/2 minutes from 
>>initial glow to final breakup and dark flight; much longer than a typical 
>>meteor(ite), or was that because it wasn't coming in at cosmic velocity.
>
> I would guess, judging by the speed of the explosive flash early in and 
> the
> amount of movement in the handheld video camera, that unless that camera 
> was
> operated by Michael J. Fox, it is real time.
> ______________________________________________
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From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 14:38:54 2008
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:38:54 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Glass & Santa Fe shattercones
Message-ID: <6f9da8300810011138g63c3d743x8ca60a1fd7c68b62@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All

I have 7 Ebay auctions ending today all without reserve. They are all
Libyan Desert Glass pieces. Two of them have holes and one is a
textbook ventifact. Some are still at 95 cents so check them out.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorfinder_W0QQ_fromZR46?_nkw=glass
or   http://tinyurl.com/4z7rje

I also had the opportunity to collect some of the newest impact
related material there is. It is the newly discovered Santa Fe shatter
cones. These shatter cones are truly amazing as some are over 1 meter
tall! So I have made a page offering some of them for sale though
unfortunately none of the 1 meter tall specimens.

http://jensenmeteorites.com/Santa%20Fe.htm
Postage will be actual cost but somewhat expensive as they tended to
be larger pieces.


Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com

From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Wed Oct  1 15:04:41 2008
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:04:41 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay items - additional info
Message-ID: <10946D82-0F19-4B0B-9F15-0742ACC82949@sunrise.ch>

Hello All,

I have 24 auctions on ebay now, ending Sunday.

For some VERY STRANGE reasons, some people can only see a few items  
(myself included).

Ebay keeps sending me standard e-mails that have nothing to do with  
the problem!

To see all 24 items, please go to this link:

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-dealers/dealer-listings/marmet.htm

This one seems to work fine! :-)

Thanks to the Meteroite Exchange Team!

On ebay we have:

rare historic meteorites, Zagami from Mars, CV3, CK5/6(!), CM2, R4,  
EUC, DIO, L/LL3, LL4,

LL5, LL6, pyramid shaped Gibeons, a Hammer (Pantar), ...


Thank you,
Peter


From mlblood at cox.net  Wed Oct  1 15:26:08 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:26:08 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Help
Message-ID: <C5091CE0.1A805%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi List,
        I am trying to see if I can now get list mail. For days
I have been able to send, but NOT receive list mail. I have
Taken myself off the list and re-registered - didn't work.
Contacted Art (no easy task) and HE took me off and re-
Registered me. No luck. I checked with my service provider
(COX) and they claim they never block ANY email - so, they
Ran me through the "do it yourself" spam blocker and had
Me inject the list email address as an "exception."
        Given all of this I am still not hopeful of success.
        Has anyone on the list had this problem and SOLVED
It??????
        If so, please email me OFF LIST (I do not get list posts).
        I will be most grateful.
        Thanks, Michael




Important info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail
Out proposal):
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm








From mlblood at cox.net  Wed Oct  1 16:19:30 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:19:30 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test
Message-ID: <C5092962.1A82A%mlblood@cox.net>

Sorry, just a test.



Important info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail
Out proposal):
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm



  



From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Oct  1 17:35:12 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 01 Oct 2008 21:35:12 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Help
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000007B0000342A@paulinet.de>

Michael Blood wrote:

"I am trying to see if I can now get list mail. For days 
 I have been able to send, but NOT receive list mail."

Hello Michael and List,

Similar problem here although it has nothing to do with MeteoriteCentral.
There are several computers in our house and we are all interconnected or
as we usually say in German "intranetted". We often get mail from Australia
(Perth) where a schoolmate of my Pauline's lives. She can send emails to my
email address and I can answer her mails. If she sends mails to my Pauline,
they usually disappear somewhere in cyberspace. Maybe the culprit is the
fact that we (the Pauli family) all have similar-looking email addresses?!?!

Clueless,

Bernd


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Oct  1 20:31:12 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:31:12 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: AUCTIONS ENDING TODAY! Great Deals Still
	Abound! 24 Hour 30% Off In Ebay Store!
Message-ID: <200810011833233.SM00284@yourfsyly0jtwn>


PS. I did not see my first email or my second one come through today...so
here is a 3rd! That Is The Last One.




Hello,

Some good deals to be had this week!? Also, Thanks for all your business!?
Also, there is a 24 hour, 30% off of Everything Sale in my ebay store!



MAIN STORE LINK:
http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store?



CHECK THESE OUT!

Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 3.21g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257053770

NWA 2621, L4, Really Nice, 28.95 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257072169

Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 8.08g, This is a great specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256823325

Very Rare INDIAN VALLEY, Va., IIAB Iron,0.86g, Only Specimen I Have!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257324165

Extremely Rare OGALLALA, Nebraska, IAB Iron, Only Piece I have as well
super
rare!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257322327

CANYON DIABLO Graphite Nodule Endcut, 142.28g, You Got To See This
One
started out at 0.99 cents!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257290207

Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 16g, Worth 1k+, A Fine Fine Offering! 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257188870

Beautiful Iron, Sweden, MUONIONALUSTA, 214g, This Slice Is Really Rare Due
To Its Inclusion!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257186193

Rare Ungrouped Ataxite, TISHOMINGO, Ok, 29g, Only Slice I Have Of This Rare
Iron
Nice One Too!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257076716

(NEW), LA LUZ, New Mexico, H4, LTKW, 6.35g, When My Listed Specimens Are
Gone That Is It!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256823876

Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 141g, I am getting down to the last
slices!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256824846

A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 1886g, This Is A LARGE, LARGE, LARGE
Specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256825567

Super Rare GEORGETOWN, Australia, 12.38 gram, One of Last Specimens
Available!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257052110

Rare SANTA APOLONIA, Mexico, IIIAB Iron,0.97g, Only One I have of this one

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256828305

Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 41.02 gram, Take A Look!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256831057

A Classic, OZONA, Texas, H6 Chondrite, 15.30g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256827233

Specimen of CAMEL DONGA, Eucrite, Australia, Nice part slice.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256832705

Super Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 2g, Check This Beauty Out!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256826587

(NEW), NWA 5054, Wholesale Lot, L5, 520g , My Last Lot!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256826304

Super Rare FOREST VALE, Australian Fall, H4, Only Specimen I Have
Pretty
Rare!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257053059

Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 3.21g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257053770

CANYON DIABLO Individual, 324 gram, A Nice Big Specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257054431

(New) NWA 4881, Lunar Feldspathic Specimen
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257056550

One of THE RAREST- HONOLULU, Hawaii, 0.153g, MY VERY LAST SPECIMEN TO
OFFER..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257061177

Complete Slice, (NEW), NWA 4978, L5, 58.47g, Last Specimen To Offer!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257064274

The LAHOMA, Beautiful L5 From Ok. 27.20g Lot, Last Specimens!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257068603

Also Check out these slices!

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 2130g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258436414

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 510g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258439136

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 314g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258440600

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 262g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258444388

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 328g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258447790

Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

























































From nwa482 at comcast.net  Thu Oct  2 06:57:29 2008
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 06:57:29 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending
Message-ID: <9C1F24108C014EBE997A805FE8D22067@DJQVK441>

Good Morning Meteorite Lovers........

I have auctions ending tonight catchafallingstar.com.  All started at 99
Cents!!!:  In addition I have listed some museum quality specimens as Fixed
Listings, certainly worth a look at the photos even if you don't intend on
bidding.

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=catchafallingstar.com

Full recap with photos on Paul and Jim's website:
http://www.meteorite.com/meteorites/ebay/catch_a_falling_star_meteorites.htm

Thanks for looking ................

Jim Strope

http://www.catchafallingstar.com



From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Thu Oct  2 08:51:43 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:51:43 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Thanks and News from Stefan
Message-ID: <003b01c9248d$a007bc60$0bb2a8c0@name86d88d87e2>


Dear friends,

I'm here with Stefan in Berlin
and have to transmit his cordial thanks to you
for all the wishes, prayers and the overwhelming solicitousness,
you sent.

He is recovering well, seen the circumstances.
Though a lot of diagnostics and tests still have to be carried out.
But if we keep the fingers crossed, maybe then the results will allow him
even to attend already the Munich Show
in one month.

So again his thanks and he's hoping to see you all there!

Martin


From mlblood at cox.net  Thu Oct  2 09:42:31 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:42:31 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test - ignore
Message-ID: <C50A1DD7.1A88D%mlblood@cox.net>

Sorry - working on this.


Important info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail
Out proposal):
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm








From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  2 11:18:21 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: More than 60 items ending in hours on ebay.
Message-ID: <440331.89549.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Some very rare items, murray CM2 from Smithsonian with paperwork, 5 
different moon meteorites, Martian, pallasite, thousands of $$$ up for 
grabs. 
Check out those lunar meteorites, just pennies on the $ right now!


http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/ 


See the link above showing all of my auctions from 
both of my ebay usernames. 

I have some wonderful pieces ending this week, including one of the 
last Murray and Bruderheim pieces, many goodies, take a look, many are 
still 
at one cent. 

Michael Farmer 


From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Thu Oct  2 12:43:39 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:43:39 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Full size micrograph offer NWA 969 LL7 to print.
Message-ID: <bc1.3e4db967.3616543b@aol.com>

Hi everyone,  I want to share a beautiful  meteorite micrograph.  Once in a 
while one comes along that (at least to  me) seems to have everything, color, 
clarity and interest.

It is taken of  NWA 969 LL7 and the slide belongs to Jeff Krosschell.  For 
you slide  aficionados, I think the slide is for sale but that is not what this 
is  about.  I will send the image in full size.  I recently changed  cameras 
and this image is 3.4 mp so it would make an excellent 8X10 to add to  your 
meteorite room.  My previous work was at 1.1 mp which was a little to  small for 
prints.

Finding the right camera has not been an easy  task.  I have tried at least 
20 in the last 6 months.  One of the most  recent tries was the new Nikon 5100 
12.1 mp.  I had high hopes but after  putting it through 3 different 
microscope adapters, I finally accepted I could  not get the results out of it I was 
looking for.  I won't trade quality for  pixel size.  I sent that camera to my 
son who just got stationed in  Hawaii.  He'll have plenty to photograph there!

Anyway,  please  email me for a full size attachment of this image.  

This one is  worth checking out!

Tom Phillips  




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From mfcollecter at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  2 13:52:14 2008
From: mfcollecter at yahoo.com (Said Haddany)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:52:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : nice Urielite for sale
Message-ID: <628224.6914.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi list , 
I have a nice big Ureiliet specimens for sale at a good price ..
email me off list for pricing and photos 
Cheers 

? Said Haddany


      

From geoking at notkin.net  Thu Oct  2 14:40:29 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:40:29 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Meteorwritings" Episode Two
Message-ID: <1E255913-20BD-421F-9F4B-5E8A3CE059AD@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

Greetings from Tucson. Hot and sunny today as usual.

For those who are interested, I'd like to announce that the second  
installment of my ongoing monthly column about our favorite subject --  
"Meteorwritings" -- has just been published on Dr. Hobart King's  
Geology.com

See  www.geology.com  front and center.

Previous editions of the column will be permanently archived on the  
site, and can be reached from the current article:

http://geology.com/meteorites/meteorite-types-and-classification.shtml


My very talented design and photography assistant Leigh Anne DelRay  
worked with me on a new selection of original photos for the column  
which, this month, include Brenham (siderite), Sikhote-Alin,  
Millbillillie, Allende, Imilac, and Vaca Muerta. All of the images  
click-to large versions.

I hope you find the column and photographs interesting.


Respectfully,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Oct  2 15:19:37 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:19:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 1, 2008
Message-ID: <200810021919.MAA06213@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
October 1, 2008

o Unconformity in North Polar Layered Deposits
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009390_2595

o Unnamed, Well-Preserved Crater South of Hypanis Valles 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009393_1890

o Merging Lobate Debris Aprons of Deuteronilus Mensae 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009535_2240

o Enigmatic Terrain in Hellas Basin
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009548_1420


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From mlblood at cox.net  Thu Oct  2 15:48:23 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:48:23 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Another test
Message-ID: <C50A7397.1A8CF%mlblood@cox.net>

Keep trying different things....




From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Thu Oct  2 15:59:48 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 02 Oct 2008 19:59:48 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Full size micrograph offer NWA 969 LL7
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000007800003438@paulinet.de>

Tom wrote:

"I want to share a beautiful meteorite micrograph that seems to have
 everything, color, clarity and interest. It is taken of NWA 969 LL7.
 Please  email me for a full size attachment of this image. This one
 is worth checking out!"


Hi Tom and List,

Color:

The pictures I've taken of my thin section fully support Tom's description
of the NWA 969 (LL6/7*). It is very colorful: the pyroxenes and olivines
come along in all shades of blue, purplish red, brown, orange, yellow, gray,
and olive(-green) when viewed in cross-polarized light.

Clarity:

Usually I have to enhance the clarity of the JPEGs a little with the help
of my Adobe Photo Shop computer program but in this case I had to reduce
both the brightness and the contrast of the pictures.

*According to the correction in the MetBull and I agree with this correction
because my TS actually shows a relict barred olivine chondrule that has been
torn to pieces by some process but is still recognizable and it must have been
pretty large!

Interest:

Tom, I would surely love to see your micrograph, especially
if it shows those infamous "trains of  f l u i d  inclusions".

Remember the nickname the Hup?s gave this meteorite?
They dubbed it the "meteorite with bottled water".


Best wishes,

Bernd


To: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com
    meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com


From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  2 16:47:11 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:47:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Seriously,
	lunar meteorites all less than $100 gram!
Message-ID: <987961.63880.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What's up? Rarest of the rare meteorites from Smithsonian, Murray, Bruderheim, 5 different Lunar meteorites, Mars rock, all of them at less than a McDonald's burger right now, get in there and bid before the debates keep you all busy tonight:)
If I have to give this stuff away, I will revert to loading nothing but junk from now on.
By the way, I will be out of the country next week, so if you win something tonight, PLEASE paypal immediately so that I can ship tomorrow.


http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/ 


See the link above showing all of my auctions from 
both of my ebay usernames. 

Michael Farmer 


From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu Oct  2 16:58:57 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:58:57 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Glorieta - Best Offers - AD
Message-ID: <B6EE81BC1A5A489CAB57D5B2221B1A79@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

I recently acquired several Glorieta Pallasite and Siderite individuals from 
the finders and would like to share the photos, and/or consider any 'best' 
offers. They are pretty difficult to photograph and are much better in 
person. Many still display the fresh blue-steel color of the fusion crust. 
Here are the details, enjoy!

Pallasites:
58g - Large crystal with some flow lines and lip over.
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00001.jpg
37.1g - Several crystals and most original crust.
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00003.jpg
31.8g - Many crystals and lots of crust.
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00005.jpg
22.5g - Many crystals.
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00007.jpg
13.7g - Gorgeous Piece (currently on eBay)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350104442553
13.5g - ORIENTED - Small crystal, covered in flow lines, melt spatter and 
excellent lip over.
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00017.jpg
10.9g - ORIENTED - Several crystals, flow lines, crust, much better in 
person!
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00009.jpg
8.6 - Nice crystal, some nice flow lines and crust.
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00011.jpg
8.3g - A few crystals and flow lines.
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00013.jpg
6.2g - Small crystal, can see flat plane where larger crystal popped out, 
most likely during flight.
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00015.jpg

Siderites:
26.7g - Nice overall shape.
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00019.jpg
26.6g - Nice shape (unsold eBay auction)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEUSX:IT&item=170265930378
16.2g - Good for any collection.
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00021.jpg
14.2g - ORIENTED Spicule - Excellent piece with flow lines, lip over, 
original crust.
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00023.jpg
13g - Lots of flow lines, some lip over and crust.
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00025.jpg
8.4g - ORIENTED - Some areas of excellent flow lines, lip over.
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00027.jpg

I hope you enjoy the photos!

Best regards,
Greg
P.S. I loaded some excellent eBay auctions last night!

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault





From mikewren at gilanet.com  Thu Oct  2 17:21:36 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:21:36 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Another test
In-Reply-To: <C50A7397.1A8CF%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <200810021525313.SM00284@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Try a crossing your fingers...that sometimes works.

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael L
Blood
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:48 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Another test

Keep trying different things....



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From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  2 18:01:34 2008
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:01:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Noyan Bogdo Micromount Wanted
Message-ID: <371791.19308.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi List-
   Am looking for a reasonably priced piece of the Noyan Bogdo meteorite for my collection. Possibly 1-3 grams with an ID card.
   If you would have a nice piece to offer- will you please contact me off list?
Thank You
Mike Groetz (mpg444 at yahoo.com)


      

From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Thu Oct  2 18:31:18 2008
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:31:18 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction announcements
In-Reply-To: <mailman.153.1222826319.77315.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.153.1222826319.77315.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <48E54BB6.4010205@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi All,

Everyone made great points about this. I've received emails from people 
asking me to notify them directly of my auctions ending, and sometimes 
they email saying they missed the announcement altogether.

"Auction Ended!" Arrrg...

To stop this from happening and to keep from bombarding the Met-List 
with "Auctions Ending Soon" emails, I have a list of dealers and 
customers that receive my updates and auction announcements direct to 
their email box. This gives faster response and allows buyers to jump on 
a deal they want and not miss out.

If you are not on this list and want to be able to have direct access 
immediately after we post our auctions please go here and type in your 
email address.

http://www.meteoritesusa.com/newsletter/

This will add you to the list and you'll get announcements IMMEDIATELY! 
You will not have to wait and miss an opportunity to buy again.

Thanks,
Eric Wichman
www.MeteoriteWatch.com
www.MeteoritesUSA.com

From Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de  Thu Oct  2 18:49:42 2008
From: Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de (Thomas Kurtz)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:49:42 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroid burned up before impact on Mars
Message-ID: <20081002224942.44390@gmx.net>


Amazing picture ! Under special circumstances such an event could be possible even on Earth and
in my opinion, it would ignite a fire for sure. Perhaps 1 of 1000 meteorite hits ignite something on the ground e.g. dry grass.

Is there a proofed example ?

With best wishes from Ries-impact crater,

Thomas Kurtz
______________________________

East of Jovis Tholus and in the midst of the Tharsis Volcanic field this dark, rayed spot is seen. Most likely this mark represents the shock wave of an incoming meteoroid that burned up before impact. The shock wave blasted the fine material away, leaving the darker basaltic surface exposed.

http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080813a
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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Thu Oct  2 20:15:27 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:15:27 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroid burned up before impact on Mars
References: <20081002224942.44390@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <11B4EE69FAB14E0486E722593EBDF623@bellatrix>

I doubt if any meteorite impacts (in the usual sense) cause fires. There's
simply no mechanism by which meteorites can be particularly hot. Of course,
if a meteoroid hits while still carrying some of its original velocity, a
lot of energy can be released. But such an event is extremely rare. One in
millions at least.

Even assuming the explanation for the pattern on Mars is correct (which
seems far from certain), it's clear that this sort of thing is very rare. On
Earth, with its much denser atmosphere, it should be rarer still.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Kurtz" <Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:49 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroid burned up before impact on Mars


>
> Amazing picture ! Under special circumstances such an event could be 
> possible even on Earth and
> in my opinion, it would ignite a fire for sure. Perhaps 1 of 1000 
> meteorite hits ignite something on the ground e.g. dry grass.
>
> Is there a proofed example ?
>
> With best wishes from Ries-impact crater,
>
> Thomas Kurtz


From fcressy at prodigy.net  Fri Oct  3 01:59:33 2008
From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] freebies...A Chicago thing
In-Reply-To: <786456.65687.qm@web57809.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <363704.77985.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi Steve,

I finally understand all your give-aways after watching the last two Dodgers/Cubs games.  It's just a Chicago thing ;-)

Dodgers in three!

Cheers,

Frank



From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com  Fri Oct  3 05:36:42 2008
From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 05:36:42 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 3,
	2008
Message-ID: <c75.3c9274e7.361741aa@aol.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_3_2008.html 




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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct  3 18:08:26 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:08:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: September 29 - October
	3, 2008
Message-ID: <200810032208.PAA15742@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
September 29 - October 3, 2008

o Hebrus Vallis (Released 29 September 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080929a

o Landslide (Released 30 September 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080930a

o Faulting (Released 01 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081001a

o Candor Chasma (Released 02 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081002a

o Landslide (Released 03 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081003a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct  3 18:19:23 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Astronomers Discover Dusty Remains of Two
	Terrestrial Planets
Message-ID: <200810032219.PAA17290@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/worlds-in-collision-astronomers-63891.aspx  

Worlds in collision
Astronomers discover dusty remains of two terrestrial planets
By Stuart Wolpert
UCLA
September 23, 2008

Two terrestrial planets orbiting a mature sun-like star some 300
light-years from Earth recently suffered a violent collision,
astronomers at UCLA, Tennessee State University and the California
Institute of Technology will report in a December issue of the
Astrophysical Journal, the premier journal of astronomy and astrophysics.
 
"It's as if Earth and Venus collided with each other," said Benjamin
Zuckerman, UCLA professor of physics and astronomy and a co-author on
the paper. "Astronomers have never seen anything like this before.
Apparently, major catastrophic collisions can take place in a fully
mature planetary system."
 
"If any life was present on either planet, the massive collision would
have wiped out everything in a matter of minutes - the ultimate
extinction event," said co-author Gregory Henry, an astronomer at
Tennessee State University (TSU). "A massive disk of infrared-emitting
dust circling the star provides silent testimony to this sad fate."
 
Zuckerman, Henry and Michael Muno, an astronomer at Caltech at the time
of the research, were studying a star known as BD+20 307, which is
surrounded by a shocking 1 million times more dust than is orbiting our
sun. The star is located in the constellation Aries. The astronomers
gathered X-ray data using the orbiting Chandra X-ray Observatory and
brightness data from one of TSU's automated telescopes in southern
Arizona, hoping to measure the age of the star.
 
"We expected to find that BD+20 307 was relatively young, a few hundred
million years old at most, with the massive dust ring signaling the
final stages in the formation of the star's planetary system," Muno said.
 
Those expectations were shown to be premature, however, when Carnegie
Institution of Washington astronomer Alycia Weinberger announced in the
May 20, 2008, issue of the Astrophysical Journal that BD+20 307 is
actually a close binary star - two stars orbiting around their common
center of mass.
 
"That discovery radically revised the interpretation of the data and
transformed the star into a unique and intriguing system," said TSU
astronomer Francis Fekel who, along with TSU's Michael Williamson, was
asked to provide additional spectroscopic data from another TSU
automated telescope in Arizona to assist in comprehending this
exceptional binary system.
 
The new spectroscopic data confirmed that BD+20 307 is composed of two
stars, both very similar in mass, temperature and size to our own sun.
They orbit about their common center of mass every 3.42 days.
 
"The patterns of element abundances in the stars show that they are much
older than a few hundred million years, as originally thought," Fekel
said. "Instead, the binary system appears to have an age of several
billion years, comparable to our solar system."
 
"The planetary collision in BD+20 307 was not observed directly but
rather was inferred from the extraordinary quantity of dust particles
that orbit the binary pair at about the same distance as Earth and Venus
are from our sun," Henry said. "If this dust does indeed point to the
presence of terrestrial planets, then this represents the first known
example of planets of any mass in orbit around a close binary star."
 
Zuckerman and colleagues first reported in the journal Nature in July
2005 that BD+20 307, then still thought to be a single star, was
surrounded by more warm orbiting dust than any other sun-like star known
to astronomers. The dust is orbiting the binary system very closely,
where Earth-like planets are most likely to be and where dust typically
cannot survive long. Small dust particles get pushed away by stellar
radiation, while larger pieces get reduced to dust in collisions within
the disk and are then whisked away. Thus, the dust-forming collision
near BD+20 307 must have taken place rather recently, probably within
the past few hundred thousand years and perhaps much more recently, the
astronomers said.
 
"This poses two very interesting questions," Fekel said. "How do
planetary orbits become destabilized in such an old, mature system, and
could such a collision happen in our own solar system?"
 
"The stability of planetary orbits in our own solar system has been
considered for nearly two decades by astronomer Jacques Laskar in France
and, more recently, by Konstantin Batygin and Greg Laughlin in the
U.S.A.," Henry noted. "Their computer models predict planetary motions
into the distant future and they find a small probability for collisions
of Mercury with Earth or Venus sometime in the next billion years or
more. The small probability of this happening may be related to the
rarity of very dusty planetary systems like BD+20 307."
 
"There is no question, however," Zuckerman said, "that major collisions
have occurred in our solar system's past. Many astronomers believe our
moon was formed from the grazing collision of two planetary embryos -
the young Earth and a body about the size of Mars - a crash that created
tremendous debris, some of which condensed to form the moon and some of
which went into orbit around the young sun. By contrast with the massive
crash in the BD+20 307 system, the collision of an asteroid with Earth
65 million years ago, the most favored explanation for the final demise
of the dinosaurs, was a mere pipsqueak."
 
In their 1932 novel "When Worlds Collide," science fiction writers
Philip Wylie and Edwin Balmer envisioned the destruction of Earth by a
collision with a planet of a passing star. The 1951 classic movie based
on the novel began a long line of adventure stories of space rocks
apocalyptically plowing into Earth.
 
"But," Zuckerman noted, "there is no evidence near BD+20 307 of any such
passing star."
 
This research is federally funded by the National Science Foundation and
NASA and also by Tennessee State University and the state of Tennessee,
through its Centers of Excellence program.
 
The Astrophysical Journal is published by the American Astronomical Society.
 
For more information on TSU's Automated Astronomy Group, visit
http://schwab.tsuniv.edu/news/BD+20_307/pressrelease.html.
 
Tennessee State University is a comprehensive, urban, coeducational
land-grant university, offering 45 bachelor's degrees, 24 master's
degrees and six doctoral programs. Its diverse student population
totals approximately 9,000 students, who come from 46 states and 45
countries. TSU has been listed for 11 consecutive years in U.S. News &
World Report's "Guide to America's Best Colleges."
 
UCLA is California's largest university, with an enrollment of nearly
37,000 undergraduate and graduate students. The UCLA College of Letters
and Science and the university's 11 professional schools feature
renowned faculty and offer more than 300 degree programs and majors.
UCLA is a national and international leader in the breadth and quality
of its academic, research, health care, cultural, continuing education
and athletic programs. Four alumni and five faculty have been awarded
the Nobel Prize.


  Media Contacts

Stuart Wolpert,
310-206-0511
swolpert at support.ucla.edu <mailto:swolpert at support.ucla.edu>



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct  3 18:29:31 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:29:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update: September 19-24,
	2008
Message-ID: <200810032229.PAA18871@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE:  Road Trip Gets Under Way - sol 1655-1660, 
September 19-24, 2008:

Opportunity has embarked on the next great challenge -- a journey of 12
kilometers (7.5 miles) southeast to a huge hole in the ground nicknamed
"Endeavour Crater." Measuring 22 kilometers (14 miles) from rim to rim
and plunging 300 meters (1,000 feet) below the surface, Endeavour Crater
is significantly larger than "Victoria Crater," which is 730 meters
(almost half a mile) wide and 70 meters (200 feet) deep. Because it is
so much deeper, Endeavour promises to expose even more rock layers going
further back in time.

Opportunity's trek began on sol 1659 (Sept. 23, 2008), as the rover
backed away from a slippery ripple and advanced 10 meters (30 feet)
toward its destination. The journey to Endeavour will be long.
Opportunity is sure to encounter many interesting science opportunities
along the way.

During the previous week, Opportunity's wheels slipped excessively while
trying to cross a ripple to reach a patch of dust on the ripple's
downwind side. After two tries on sols 1652 (Sept. 16, 2008) and 1654
(Sept. 18, 2008), rover operators decided to resume driving and look for
other deposits of Martian dust in more accessible locations.

Opportunity remains healthy. All subsystems are performing as expected
as of Martian day, or sol, 1660 (Sept. 24, 2008). Power is on the rise,
with sunlight generating 623 watt-hours of solar energy -- enough to
light a 100-watt bulb for more than 6 hours (100 watt-hours is the
amount of energy needed to light a 100-watt bulb for one hour.)

Sol-by-sol summary:

Besides measuring daily, dust-related changes in atmospheric clarity
with the panoramic camera, Opportunity completed the following activities:

Sol 1655 (Sept. 19, 2008): Opportunity acquired full-color images, using
all 13 filters of the panoramic camera, of a target dubbed "Velvet."
Opportunity took images of the tracks made by the rover's wheels with
the navigation camera.

Sol 1656: Opportunity acquired a 5-by-1 panel of images with the
navigation camera and a 10-by-1 panel of images with the panoramic
camera. After relaying data to NASA's Odyssey orbiter as it passed
overhead for transmission to Earth, Opportunity measured atmospheric
dust at sunset with the panoramic camera. The rover measured argon gas
in the Martian atmosphere with the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer.

Sol 1657: In the morning, Opportunity monitored dust on the
panoramic-camera mast assembly. The rover took panoramic-camera images
of its tracks and, after sending data to Odyssey, measured atmospheric
argon with the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer.

Sol 1658: Following several measurements of atmospheric dust at
different times of day, Opportunity relayed data to Odyssey and used the
alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer to determine the amount of atmospheric
argon.

Sol 1659: In the morning, Opportunity took thumbnail images as well as
spot images of the sky for calibration purposes with the panoramic
camera. Opportunity then began the trek to Endeavour, driving almost
10.5 meters (34 feet). The rover acquired images of the surrounding
terrain with the navigation camera just before and just after ending the
drive. After sending data to Odyssey, the rover measured atmospheric argon.

Sol 1660 (Sept. 24, 2008): Opportunity surveyed the morning horizon with
the panoramic camera and acquired six, time-lapse movie frames in search
of clouds with the navigation camera. At high Sun, Opportunity surveyed
the sky with the panoramic camera. Before relaying data to Odyssey,
Opportunity took images of the rover's wheel tracks with the panoramic
camera.

Odometry:

As of sol 1659 (Sept. 23, 2008), Opportunity's total odometry was
11,808.39 meters (7.34 miles).


From mlblood at cox.net  Fri Oct  3 18:21:48 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:21:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Up and running
In-Reply-To: <200810032208.PAA15742@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <C50BE90C.1A977%mlblood@cox.net>

Oh Happy Day!
        My never ending gratitude to Paul Harris (co-host of
Meteorite Exchange, co-editor of METEORITE TIMES and
A true prince among friends) for bringing an end to my
Exile from the List!
        The man is a genius and his generosity is unsurpassed
In my entire life experience.
        Here's to you, Paul!
        My never ending thanks, Michael



Important info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail
Out proposal):
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm








From illinoismeteorites at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 18:52:05 2008
From: illinoismeteorites at gmail.com (Joe Kerchner)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:52:05 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] freebies...A Chicago thing
In-Reply-To: <363704.77985.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <786456.65687.qm@web57809.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<363704.77985.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <14beaf810810031552l3f802cc0rab3340f9c4559a73@mail.gmail.com>

HaHaHa, NOT Funny!!  I have not stopped crying since the second inning
of last nights game.
Joe K

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I finally understand all your give-aways after watching the last two Dodgers/Cubs games.  It's just a Chicago thing ;-)
>
> Dodgers in three!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Oct  3 20:14:26 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:14:26 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Name 'em Mark and Anthony
In-Reply-To: <c75.3c9274e7.361741aa@aol.com>
References: <c75.3c9274e7.361741aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d9dde4he1n749ppvasgv7jtbui8dfnp2of@4ax.com>

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/081002-seti-dogbone-asteroid.html

Two Companions Found Near Dog-bone Asteroid

By Franck Marchis
Principal Investigator, SETI Institute, UC Berkeley
posted: 02 October 2008
06:57 am ET

A team of astronomers led by F. Marchis, PI, at the SETI Institute and at
UC-Berkeley, and P. Descamps from Paris Observatory announced recently the
discovery of two moons around an intriguing asteroid. The main-belt asteroid 216
Kleopatra has two companions.

When Marchis observed this asteroid for the first time in October 1999 with the
3.6m telescope at ESO-La Silla in Chile, he did not know that he was starting a
lengthy quest. The first data recorded with an adaptive optics system, which
improves the angular resolution of the image on ground-based telescopes, reveal
that the asteroid was made of two components. One year later, Steve Ostro,
astronomer at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, published an article in Science
that summarized the analysis of radar observations that revealed that the
mysterious shape of this M-type, main-belt asteroid. Since then, Kleopatra has
been called the "dog-bone" asteroid. Its weird shape is probably the outcome of
an impact event. The two lobes could be fragments resulting from the disruption
of a parent asteroid that later gently collided to form a dumbbell-shaped body
with overall dimension of 135 miles by 58 miles by 43 miles (217 km by 94 km by
81 km).

To reexamine this interesting scenario and better determine the size and shape
of this fascinating asteroid, Marchis led a team that obtained telescope time to
observe the asteroid in September 2008. The observing schedule allowed the team
to take advantage of the asteroid's position when it was close to Earth at 1.2
AU. They used the Keck-II telescope, the largest optical telescope in the world
located on the top of Mauna Kea, in Hawaii. The Keck Adaptive Optics system was
recently improved and its large 10-m aperture produces images with an
incomparable quality in sharpness (resolution up to 0.035"). Using the time-zone
difference, Marchis' collaborator, Pascal Descamps, located in Paris, France,
participated remotely in the observations. Shortly after the first images were
recorded and processed, they realized that the dog-bone shape model obtained by
radar inversion agreed with the direct images recorded at the telescope.
Descamps also pointed out that a tiny 3.1 mile- (5 km-) sized moon was seen on
the first images of Kleopatra. Additional data taken during this eventful night
revealed a second fainter satellite (2.9 mile- or 3 km-sized) that was closer to
the primary.

Because of its elongated and bilobated shape, the team expected to detect
companions around 216 Kleopatra. They predicted that the rubble-pile structure
of the primary, linked with its fast rotation (~5 h), could result in ejection
of fragments from the primary after an oblique impact that formed satellites. It
is also possible that these moons are remnant of the catastrophic disruption of
the parent asteroid, which were subsequently captured.

In 2005 the same team discovered in the asteroid belt the first triple system
composed of two moons around 87 Sylvia. Two years later, a second triple system
(45 Eugenia) was discovered in the main-belt also using an adaptive optics
system. These three systems are strikingly similar since all of them are
composed of a large primary (diameter larger than 54 miles or 100 km) and their
km-sized moons orbit very close to the primary. Without the improvement in image
quality provided by the adaptive optics systems installed on Keck's telescopes,
these multiple asteroid systems would have remained unnoticed.

The team announced its discovery in an IAU circular 8980 on September 24. If
more data are collected over the next few weeks, it will be possible to estimate
the mutual orbits of the satellites and then infer the bulk density of this
interesting M-type asteroid.

From grf2 at verizon.net  Fri Oct  3 20:31:27 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:31:27 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	3, 2008
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Message-ID: <6D7289F936B04CE4A260D15FCBB1FCE6@ASUS>

Greg, what a special find.
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 3, 
2008


> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_3_2008.html
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Sat Oct  4 14:44:13 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:44:13 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] (NWA 4884)Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
	October3, 2008
References: <c75.3c9274e7.361741aa@aol.com>
	<6D7289F936B04CE4A260D15FCBB1FCE6@ASUS>
Message-ID: <7EC008DFF2F646B3AF24FA7E3126A445@Gregor>

Hi Jerry and List,

Jerry wrote in regards to the October 3rd "Picture of the Day":
"Greg, what a special find (NWA 4884 Lunar)."

Thanks Jerry. For such a small stone at just 42 grams, it does pack an 
impressive display, and the fact that it is unpaired is cool too! It was 
found nearly two years ago!

Best regards,
Greg

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Flaherty" <grf2 at verizon.net>
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 
October3, 2008


> Greg, what a special find.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 5:36 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 3, 
> 2008
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Sun Oct  5 11:44:00 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:44:00 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] MONZE day
Message-ID: <8CAF518520C8716-268-1BEF@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com>

Dear Listees,

It's that time of year to wish everyone a great Monze Day on the 
anniversary of the fall of MONZE -October 5, 1950-  accompanied by one 
of the most colorful stories in meteorite-lore ever printed. Google it 
if you haven't read the story yet, new google-gems never cease to 
appear and you migt be surprised ...

Hope everyone has a wonderful day.  If you're waiting on an email 
 fromme, please give me a chance, todays's a day of 
c-e-l-e-b-r-a-t-i-o-n,

Best wishes and Great Health, especially to those that have had their 
spirits dampened temporariily for autumn,
Doug

From mexicodoug at aim.com  Sun Oct  5 11:44:00 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:44:00 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] MONZE day
Message-ID: <8CAF518520C8716-268-1BEF@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com>

Dear Listees,

It's that time of year to wish everyone a great Monze Day on the 
anniversary of the fall of MONZE -October 5, 1950-  accompanied by one 
of the most colorful stories in meteorite-lore ever printed. Google it 
if you haven't read the story yet, new google-gems never cease to 
appear and you migt be surprised ...

Hope everyone has a wonderful day.  If you're waiting on an email 
 fromme, please give me a chance, todays's a day of 
c-e-l-e-b-r-a-t-i-o-n,

Best wishes and Great Health, especially to those that have had their 
spirits dampened temporariily for autumn,
Doug

From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Sun Oct  5 11:58:27 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:58:27 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 969
Message-ID: <d36.2fddb65d.361a3e23@aol.com>

Hi List,  I got permission from Johnno to  restate his email to me on the list.  He noticed a change to my Gallery and  he had some questions concerning microscopic examination of iron  meteorites.

First off,  Johnno is right, my Meteorite Times hosted  Micrograph Gallery did have some changes.   http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/   Paul has set it up real  cool.  In the past I had Gallery posts and Micro Vision articles.  The  articles were in past issues of Meteorite Times.  Many of the articles were  material specific, that is they did not cover general microscope issues.   Those materials were not represented in the Gallery.  Paul made it so you  can (in the Gallery) scan the alphabetical menu of all material there are images  of and simply click on what you would like to see.

Second, Johnno's  observation of the Brahin Pallasite shots is correct.  That is a very close  up view of how the rust starts to attack the irons.

Third,  I have  not examined highly polished iron meteorites in incident (reflected)  light.  Has any one done this and are crystals often visible?  Perhaps  with the addition of cross polarized light?

Tom Phillips

In a  message dated 10/4/2008 4:30:41 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, j.cabassi at ca.rr.com  writes:
G'Day Tom
Thanks for the image of NWA 969, really  incredible.  I did my normal visit to your site, you changed a few things  around, freaked me out for a minute, but then I calmed down.  A question ..  I noticed you did some photos of Brahin, being a pallasite, I can understand the  possibilities of some great images and I think I mentioned before that the lines  look identical to how rust starts to work it's way on a metal surface. But have  you tried using your techniques on just plain iron meteorites? And is there a  possibility of having microscopic crystals mixed with metal?  I just got a  12+ gram slice of Georgetown, Queensland IIICD, anomalous silicated iron. It is  a fascinating piece.

Cheers
Johnno  




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From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Sun Oct  5 13:08:29 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:08:29 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 969 LL7 image mug is now available
Message-ID: <ca1.420469bf.361a4e8d@aol.com>

Hi list,  Paul got right on it and the NWA  969 LL7 micrograph taken at a magnification of 160X that I was sending out in  full resolution to any one who emailed me, is now available on a coffee  mug!  The site is http://www.cafepress.com/meteorites4sale  and the  cost is $10.99.  We have added no mark up so you pay what the production  company Cafe Press charges.

If you did not get the image, just email me  and I will send it as an attachment in full resolution suitable for printing up  to about an 8X10.

The cool part?  Alan Rubin, UCLA was kind enough  to take a look and offer this analysis of the image.  Now when some one  asks "What's on your coffee cup?"  you can have the answer!


"It  is clear that the rock has been shocked and annealed.  The smudgy trails of  dark blebs are of metal and sulfide that were melted by shock and injected into  fractures.  The fractures healed during subsequent thermal metamorphism,  probably the heat that was developed during the impact that caused the initial  shock."

This is not a profit making thing.  Paul and I are always  working to raise awareness of Meteorite Time (The online Meteorite Magazine) and  my Meteorite Micrograph Gallery.  And also, the mugs are real cool!   I'm thinking Christmas gifts.

Tom Phillips  




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From jeffkrosschell at comcast.net  Sun Oct  5 16:17:04 2008
From: jeffkrosschell at comcast.net (Jeff Krosschell)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:17:04 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: 99 cent auctions ending shortly!
Message-ID: <545DF63F23C044DA9E9465D063EBB682@JeffVistaPC>

Hello List,
I have several auctions ending today.  Many still at 99 cents, so come and
check out the new guy!

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/kalani_oftheheavens_W0QQQ5ftrkparmsZ72Q253A120
5Q257C39Q253A1Q257C66Q253A2Q257C65Q253A12QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14QQ_sopZ1Q
Q_scZ1  

Regards,
Jeff Krosschell




From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 18:47:57 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:47:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] bobc/the cubs/and san francisco
Message-ID: <481728.93364.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good evening list.First off I want to say to frank cresey,NO,that is not the reason I have done freebies.As far as the cubs go THEY SUCK!I want to at this time give a big thanks to bob cucchiara out in almeda,ca.Me and my wife just came back from 8 wonderful days in san francisco.Bob was kind enough to open his house to me and my wife for beer and chips.I also got to meet his wonderful wife,suzie.But best of all,I saw his MASSIVE meteorite collection.Truly a masterpiece.I took many pics of his collection and of san francisco.I will post alot of pics on my website as the week goes on.Thanks again to bob and suzie.His collection is truly to drool over.My best to everyone.And as the week goes on,I will have more freebies so stay tuned.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From geoking at notkin.net  Sun Oct  5 21:07:40 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:07:40 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Find at Brenham, KS + Photo Essay
Message-ID: <93F0BDC5-AD0F-4400-A699-F1423ABE9AE7@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

Greetings from Tucson. It's already October, and there is just a hint  
of fall in the air. For us, that means the temperature might have  
dropped below 90 degrees F  : )

After the Denver show I journeyed to Kansas, once again, to meet up  
with my pal and birthday twin Steve "Brenham" Arnold. For some time  
we've been working on a new three-part documentary series for The  
Discovery Channel, which features a number of segments about  
meteorites and meteorite hunting. Steve and I spent five days in the  
field, and had a great time with our California-based film crew.

The producer was really hoping that we'd find something exciting on- 
camera for the series and . . .

Well, maybe it would be more fun if you followed the adventure for  
yourselves.

So, Steve and I would like you invite you to take a look at a new  
photo essay which follows our adventures during the latest Brenham hunt:

http://www.aerolite.org/expeditions/brenham-2008/intro.htm


I hope you enjoy it!


Cheers from old Tucson,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com

From mlblood at cox.net  Mon Oct  6 05:21:39 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:21:39 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Friends
In-Reply-To: <93F0BDC5-AD0F-4400-A699-F1423ABE9AE7@notkin.net>
Message-ID: <C50F26B3.1AA25%mlblood@cox.net>

Finally, anther list member has decided to be my friend -
John Humphries. He can be seen on my Meteorite Friends Page at:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

This is the site where everyone can see to whom they are writing
And from whom they can see who is posting to the list. There are
Still tons of list members "holding out." Be there or be square!

Also, there are A BUNCH of people on my Friends Page that have
Not gone to:

http://www.meteorite.com/friends/index.php/cat/9

And filled in information about themselves - also, you can upload
Three more photos of yourself - this is a fun site & I hope people
Visit it and put themselves up - if you have a web page it is a
Veritable MUST to promote your site, etc.
        Welcome John Humphries!
        Best wishes to all, Michael







From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 08:42:14 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 05:42:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) 215 gram sikote-alin w/ hole forsale plus gao
Message-ID: <465926.25862.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.I have a 215 gram sikote-alin with a small hole forsale for $350.I also have small gao's that are oriented with nice flowlines,25 grams down to 5 grams.$4 per gram.Please offlist.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From gmhupe at htn.net  Mon Oct  6 10:54:25 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:54:25 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW Lunar - NWA 4884
Message-ID: <39BD588C6B154521A7E6A95070209914@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

It is my pleasure to announce a NEW and unpaired lunar meteorite, NWA 4884. 
I've waited over a year and a half to announce this little beauty. It is 
classified as a Mingled Basalt-rich Breccia 'officially' accepted by the 
NomComm.

NWA 4884 is a gorgeous new lunar meteorite found in the Sahara Desert in 
early 2007. It consists of a single 42-gram, partially crusted stone and is 
not paired to any other lunar meteorites, but is quite similar to Antarctic 
meteorite QUE 94281, and both are mingled mare plus highlands breccias. NWA 
4884 has large anorthositic clasts and abundant metal, most likely from 
ancient impactors that pummeled the lunar surface.

Click here to view complete slice with large white anorthosite clast:
http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4884/nwa4884slice.jpg

Link to Washington University in St. Louis website with photos and 
additional information: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa4884.htm

If anyone is interested in one of the very few specimens, email me off list 
for pricing and details.

Enjoy!
Greg

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From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Oct  6 11:18:19 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:18:19 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Messenger, the sequel
In-Reply-To: <93F0BDC5-AD0F-4400-A699-F1423ABE9AE7@notkin.net>
References: <93F0BDC5-AD0F-4400-A699-F1423ABE9AE7@notkin.net>
Message-ID: <vvake41653bcs0vihlccjh3s4f4kqgfoki@4ax.com>

http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/

From valparint at aol.com  Mon Oct  6 12:15:48 2008
From: valparint at aol.com (valparint at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:15:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list]  New Meteorite Find at Brenham, KS + Photo
Message-ID: <F0PBX61AXBirbThA9QR000003a1@f0pbx61.vpoffsiteweb.local>

Outstanding, Geoff!

Paul Swartz

>So, Steve and I would like you invite you to take a look at a new photo
>essay which follows our adventures during the latest Brenham hunt:
>
>http://www.aerolite.org/expeditions/brenham-2008/intro.htm




From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Oct  6 15:05:33 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 06 Oct 2008 19:05:33 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Find at Brenham
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000A800003455@paulinet.de>

Hey Geoff and Steve#1,

Wasn't there a song by Rod Stewart:

"Some Guys Have All The Luck" ;-)


Sincere congratulations!

Bernd


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  6 15:20:17 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:20:17 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in less
	than 8 hours
Message-ID: <000c01c927e8$91d5be90$264de146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, All!

Rob Matson asked to forward this to the list
as he apparently cannot post it. A remarkable
event, well... Read it.

A shame it's not hitting some area more
hospitable to searches!

Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Sterling K. Webb" 
<sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>; <mexicodoug at aim.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:09 PM
Subject: Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in <8 hours


Hi All,

A large bolide is going to enter over northern Sudan in less
than 8 hours -- the first case of an asteroid being discovered
that has a 100% chance of hitting the earth -- well, hitting
its atmosphere, anyway:

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/mpec/K08/K08T50.html

The Minor Planet Center claims that it won't survive atmospheric
passage, which is true if they mean as a single body.  But I
calculate the size to be at least 3 meters, possibly as much
as 4.5 meters, so I'd be quite surprised if no meteorites
were produced.

It will be nighttime in Europe and Africa when 2008 TC3 enters,
so hopefully someone will get some good video!  --Rob

Sterling & Doug:  I'm sending this to the two of you since I don't
think this will make it through to Meteorite Central.  If one of
you could please forward for me, I'd be much obliged.  :-) 


From Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de  Mon Oct  6 15:28:36 2008
From: Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de (Thomas Kurtz)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:28:36 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3: ! in 5 hours a few meter meteoroid will
 strike the Earth over Sudan !
Message-ID: <20081006192836.163050@gmx.net>


http://www.spaceweather.com/


Hello meteorite friends,

it will be very spectacular in some few hours.
I hope NASA has already sent some measuring aeroplanes and will watch with satellites.
Ron Baalke, can we organize that quickly ?
Did anybody informed the military in Sudan ?

A year ago, looking at the quantity of the quick discovering of some few meter meteoroids, I asked the list, when we can expect a predicted meteorite fall. 
I asked several asteroid hunters, but they had no idea to estimate that.
I guessed less then 20 years, but I had no idea that it will be soon  !

Who booked already a ticket to Sudan ?    ;-)


ASTEROID 2008 TC3: A small, newly-discovered asteroid named 2008 TC3 is approaching Earth and chances are good that it will hit. Steve Chesley of JPL estimates that atmospheric entry will occur on Oct 7th at 0246 UTC over northern Sudan [ref]. Measuring only a few meters across, the space rock poses no threat to the ground, but it should create a spectacular fireball, releasing about a kiloton of energy as it disintegrates and explodes in the atmosphere. Stay tuned for updates. [ephemeris] [3D orbit]

With best wishes, especially for those who are able to look at the show !

Thomas Kurtz from Ries-meteorite crater, Germany.


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From mark at meteorites.cc  Mon Oct  6 15:31:14 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:31:14 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in
 less than 8 hours
In-Reply-To: <000c01c927e8$91d5be90$264de146@ATARIENGINE>
References: <000c01c927e8$91d5be90$264de146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <48EA6782.6050504@meteorites.cc>

So, I'm guessing this is the first time such an event has actually been 
predicted?

Bizarre seeing the ephemeris just... stop!

Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> Hi, All!
>
> Rob Matson asked to forward this to the list
> as he apparently cannot post it. A remarkable
> event, well... Read it.
>
> A shame it's not hitting some area more
> hospitable to searches!
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> -----------------------
>
>   


-- 
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Mon Oct  6 15:42:00 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:42:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in
	lessthan 8 hours
In-Reply-To: <000c01c927e8$91d5be90$264de146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <20081006194208.A51B310556@mailwash5.pair.com>

Remarkable indeed! I had no idea this was going to occur, so many thanks for
the post. Let the discussion begin! I wonder what NASA and other
institutions are doing to take advantage of this important event. More info
would be appreciated!

Regards,

Mike Bandli

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sterling
K. Webb
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:20 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in
lessthan 8 hours

Hi, All!

Rob Matson asked to forward this to the list
as he apparently cannot post it. A remarkable
event, well... Read it.

A shame it's not hitting some area more
hospitable to searches!

Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Sterling K. Webb" 
<sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>; <mexicodoug at aim.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:09 PM
Subject: Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in <8 hours


Hi All,

A large bolide is going to enter over northern Sudan in less
than 8 hours -- the first case of an asteroid being discovered
that has a 100% chance of hitting the earth -- well, hitting
its atmosphere, anyway:

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/mpec/K08/K08T50.html

The Minor Planet Center claims that it won't survive atmospheric
passage, which is true if they mean as a single body.  But I
calculate the size to be at least 3 meters, possibly as much
as 4.5 meters, so I'd be quite surprised if no meteorites
were produced.

It will be nighttime in Europe and Africa when 2008 TC3 enters,
so hopefully someone will get some good video!  --Rob

Sterling & Doug:  I'm sending this to the two of you since I don't
think this will make it through to Meteorite Central.  If one of
you could please forward for me, I'd be much obliged.  :-) 

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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  6 15:47:56 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:47:56 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in
	less than 8 hours
References: <000c01c927e8$91d5be90$264de146@ATARIENGINE>
	<48EA6782.6050504@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <002501c927ec$6ef49e60$264de146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi,

Also courtesy of Rob:

http://www.astro.hr/humor/Asteroid_Tracking.gif

>From today's New Yorker:
http://tiny.cc/03LSA

The approach will be from the northwest, so
hopefully someone in Egypt or Crete will get
some video tonight.


Sterling K. Webb
---------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Crawford" <mark at meteorites.cc>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in 
less than 8 hours


So, I'm guessing this is the first time such an event has actually been
predicted?

Bizarre seeing the ephemeris just... stop!

Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> Hi, All!
>
> Rob Matson asked to forward this to the list
> as he apparently cannot post it. A remarkable
> event, well... Read it.
>
> A shame it's not hitting some area more
> hospitable to searches!
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> -----------------------
>
>


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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Mon Oct  6 15:50:23 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:50:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in
 lessthan 8 hours
In-Reply-To: <20081006194208.A51B310556@mailwash5.pair.com>
References: <000c01c927e8$91d5be90$264de146@ATARIENGINE>
	<20081006194208.A51B310556@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <52396.71.226.60.25.1223322623.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Mike:

There is no way that you would have known that this was going to happen
(unless you are good at reading tea leaves). If you look at the
observations, the first observation was a little before midnight last
night Tucson time. It turns out I was up there with a group of Girl Scout
leaders at the other telescope on the mountain, but we left a few hours
before the discovery!

I am a little surprised that they know so accurately where it will enter
the atmosphere, given only one night's observations.

Larry

On Mon, October 6, 2008 12:42 pm, Mike Bandli wrote:
> Remarkable indeed! I had no idea this was going to occur, so many thanks
> for the post. Let the discussion begin! I wonder what NASA and other
> institutions are doing to take advantage of this important event. More
> info would be appreciated!
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Mike Bandli
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sterling
>  K. Webb
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:20 PM
> To: Meteorite List
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in
> lessthan 8 hours
>
> Hi, All!
>
>
> Rob Matson asked to forward this to the list
> as he apparently cannot post it. A remarkable event, well... Read it.
>
> A shame it's not hitting some area more
> hospitable to searches!
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Sterling K. Webb"
> <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>; <mexicodoug at aim.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:09 PM
> Subject: Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in <8 hours
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> A large bolide is going to enter over northern Sudan in less
> than 8 hours -- the first case of an asteroid being discovered that has a
> 100% chance of hitting the earth -- well, hitting
> its atmosphere, anyway:
>
> http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/mpec/K08/K08T50.html
>
>
> The Minor Planet Center claims that it won't survive atmospheric
> passage, which is true if they mean as a single body.  But I calculate the
> size to be at least 3 meters, possibly as much as 4.5 meters, so I'd be
> quite surprised if no meteorites were produced.
>
> It will be nighttime in Europe and Africa when 2008 TC3 enters,
> so hopefully someone will get some good video!  --Rob
>
> Sterling & Doug:  I'm sending this to the two of you since I don't
> think this will make it through to Meteorite Central.  If one of you could
> please forward for me, I'd be much obliged.  :-)
>
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Oct  6 15:56:40 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 06 Oct 2008 19:56:40 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in less than 8
	hours
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000A500003459@paulinet.de>

Hi Rob, Sterling and List,

Rob wrote:

"I calculate the size to be at least 3 meters, possibly as much as 4.5
 meters, so I'd be quite surprised if no meteorites were produced."


1) The St. Robert H5 chondrite had a preatmospheric radius between 40 and
ca. 60 cm and a mass of 1000 to ca. 3000 kg comparable to the Knyahinya
L chondrite.

2) The Torino H6 chondrite had a preatmospheric radius of 20 cm, corresponding to
a mass of 120 kg. A number of stones totalling about 1 kg in weight were recovered.

3) Peekskill had a preatmospheric radius of ~50 cm. 

4) For Jilin, Klein et al. obtained these lower and upper limits for the preatmospheric
size of the body: lower limit => 54 cm / upper limit => 135 cm. Heusser and Pellas
estimated that its pre-atmospheric radius was 85 cm.


References:

HERZOG G.F. et al. (1997) Preatmospheric size of the St. Robert (H5) chondrite
(Meteoritics 32-4, 1997, A059).

BHANDARI N. et al. (1989) The Torino, H6, meteorite shower
(Meteoritics 24-1, 1989, 29-34).

TH. GRAF et al. (1994) Size and exposure history of the Peekskill meteoroid
(Meteoritics 29-4, 1994, A469).

KLEIN J. et al. (1991) 41Ca in the Jilin (H5) chondrite: A matter of size
(abs. Meteoritics 26-4, 1991, 358).


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct  6 16:46:13 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:46:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid Predicted to Cause Brilliant
	Fireball over Northern Sudan (2008 TC3)
Message-ID: <200810062046.NAA27864@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news159.html

Small Asteroid Predicted to Cause Brilliant Fireball over Northern Sudan
Don Yeomans
NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
October 6, 2008

A very small, few-meter sized asteroid, designated 2008 TC3, was found
Monday morning by the Catalina Sky Survey from their observatory near
Tucson Arizona. Preliminary orbital computations by the Minor Planet
Center suggested an atmospheric entry of this object within a day of
discovery. JPL confirmed that an atmospheric impact will very likely
occur during early morning twilight over northern Sudan, north-eastern
Africa, at 2:46 UT Tuesday morning. The fireball, which could be
brilliant, will travel west to east (from azimuth = 281 degrees) at a
relative atmospheric impact velocity of 12.8 km/s and arrive at a very
low angle (19 degrees) to the local horizon. It is very unlikely that
any sizable fragments will survive passage through the Earth's atmosphere.

Objects of this size would be expected to enter the Earth's atmosphere
every few months on average but this is the first time such an event has
been predicted ahead of time.



From albireo3000 at yahoo.es  Mon Oct  6 17:07:02 2008
From: albireo3000 at yahoo.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Francisco_Oca=F1a?=)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:07:02 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid Predicted to Cause Brilliant
 Fireball over Northern Sudan (2008 TC3)
In-Reply-To: <200810062046.NAA27864@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200810062046.NAA27864@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <48EA7DF6.8060509@yahoo.es>

Well, the orbit thas been updated at 19:15 TU. Is there a new fireball 
prediction?

At 0.00003UA it won?t be at 2008 10 07.11 05 36.95 +21 35.3 0.00004 as 
it was previouly predicted but at 2008 10 07.11 06 13.44 +19 54.7 0.00003

Best,

Paco Oca?a

Ron Baalke escribi?:
> http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news159.html
>
> Small Asteroid Predicted to Cause Brilliant Fireball over Northern Sudan
> Don Yeomans
> NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
> October 6, 2008
>   



From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct  6 17:27:31 2008
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:27:31 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid Predicted to Cause Brilliant
 Fireball over Northern Sudan (2008 TC3)
In-Reply-To: <200810062046.NAA27864@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200810062046.NAA27864@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <48EA82C3.4040107@ntlworld.com>

Sounds exciting....what if its an iron! May be more chance of meteorites 
produced?

Graham Ensor, nr Barwell UK

Ron Baalke wrote:

>http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news159.html
>
>Small Asteroid Predicted to Cause Brilliant Fireball over Northern Sudan
>Don Yeomans
>NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
>October 6, 2008
>
>A very small, few-meter sized asteroid, designated 2008 TC3, was found
>Monday morning by the Catalina Sky Survey from their observatory near
>Tucson Arizona. Preliminary orbital computations by the Minor Planet
>Center suggested an atmospheric entry of this object within a day of
>discovery. JPL confirmed that an atmospheric impact will very likely
>occur during early morning twilight over northern Sudan, north-eastern
>Africa, at 2:46 UT Tuesday morning. The fireball, which could be
>brilliant, will travel west to east (from azimuth = 281 degrees) at a
>relative atmospheric impact velocity of 12.8 km/s and arrive at a very
>low angle (19 degrees) to the local horizon. It is very unlikely that
>any sizable fragments will survive passage through the Earth's atmosphere.
>
>Objects of this size would be expected to enter the Earth's atmosphere
>every few months on average but this is the first time such an event has
>been predicted ahead of time.
>
>
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From Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de  Mon Oct  6 18:36:15 2008
From: Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de (Thomas Kurtz)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:36:15 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid Predicted to Cause Brilliant
 Fireball over Northern Sudan (2008 TC3)
In-Reply-To: <48EA7DF6.8060509@yahoo.es>
References: <200810062046.NAA27864@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<48EA7DF6.8060509@yahoo.es>
Message-ID: <20081006223615.163000@gmx.net>

Is the gravitation field of our Earth taken into considaration ? 
2008 TC3 is now just in 210.000 km distance 

Why is a spacerocket debris excluded ? The orbits are similar.

I?m looking forward to a great show.
Hopefully the officials warned the people in Sudan over TV and Radio, otherwise many will be very scared of the extremly loud sonic booms and flashes in the night.
So far no info on CNN or other channels. 

Greetings from Ries-crater, Germany.

Thomas Kurtz


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:07:02 +0200
> Von: "Francisco Oca?a" <albireo3000 at yahoo.es>
> An: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid Predicted to Cause Brilliant Fireball over Northern Sudan (2008 TC3)

> Well, the orbit thas been updated at 19:15 TU. Is there a new fireball 
> prediction?
> 
> At 0.00003UA it won?t be at 2008 10 07.11 05 36.95 +21 35.3 0.00004 as 
> it was previouly predicted but at 2008 10 07.11 06 13.44 +19 54.7 0.00003
> 
> Best,
> 
> Paco Oca?a
> 
> Ron Baalke escribi?:
> > http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news159.html
> >
> > Small Asteroid Predicted to Cause Brilliant Fireball over Northern Sudan
> > Don Yeomans
> > NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
> > October 6, 2008
> >   
> 
> 
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From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Oct  6 19:21:05 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:21:05 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid Predicted to Cause Brilliant
	Fireball over Northern Sudan (2008 TC3)
In-Reply-To: <200810062046.NAA27864@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200810062046.NAA27864@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <h97le49cm4osmpel2kve5ntsu8ngedjrbe@4ax.com>

Discover:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/06/incoming-2/

Newscientist:

http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn14880-space-rock-found-on-collision-course-with-earth.html?DCMP=ILC-rhts&nsref=ts10_bar

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct  6 20:55:58 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:55:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Rock Found on Collision Course With Earth
	(Asteroid 2008 TC3)
Message-ID: <200810070055.RAA10673@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn14880-space-rock-found-on-collision-course-with-earth.html
    
Space rock found on collision course with Earth
Maggie McKee
New Scientist
06 October 2008
 
For the first time, astronomers have found an object on a certain
collision course with Earth. Fortunately, it is so small it is not
expected to cause any damage, burning up in the atmosphere somewhere
above northern Sudan in the wee hours of Tuesday morning. It may,
however, produce a brilliant 'shooting star'.

The space rock, dubbed 2008 TC3, was first spotted on Monday in a survey
by the Mt Lemmon Observatory near Tucson, Arizona.

Its brightness suggests it is no more than about 5 metres across - so
small it will likely be destroyed in the atmosphere, says Andrea Milani
Comparetti of the University of Pisa in Italy.

Rocks of such size are thought to hit the atmosphere every few months,
says Steve Chesley, an astronomer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

"The event is not unusual - what is unique is that it's been predicted
beforehand," Milani told New Scientist. "This is the first time we see
something arriving, compute that it's going to impact, and announce it
is going to impact before it happens."

The rock is due to hit the atmosphere above northern Sudan on Tuesday at
0246 GMT. It will be travelling from west to east, and may be visible
from a few hundred kilometres away.
          
Long trail

The meteor it produces is likely to be spectacular. The rock will
release about 1 kiloton of energy in the atmosphere - the equivalent of
a low-energy nuclear bomb, says Milani. But it's not clear whether it
will do so all at once or over a longer period, perhaps lasting a minute
or so.

It will hit the atmosphere at an angle of 20?, so "it will make a long
trail in the atmosphere", says Milani. "But we cannot honestly predict
how long it will be. [The rock] might end up quite far - above the Red
Sea or Saudi Arabia - or it might explode and disappear sooner."

If it disintegrates all at once, it would produce a bright flash of
light and a loud sonic boom, says Chesley.

This space rock is so small it is unlikely to cause any damage. "The
only concern is that [the explosions] might be interpreted as something
else, that is man-made explosions. Thus in this case, the earlier the
public worldwide is aware that this is a natural phenomenon, which
involves no risk, the better," Milani's team wrote on a popular
astronomy listserv.

Impact probability

The object's discovery is a reminder that larger and potentially more
dangerous rocks might also be on a collision course with Earth.

Milani and Chesley are members of the only two groups in the world that
calculate the probability that a given space rock will hit the Earth.
They both say that they are delighted at how quickly this meteorite was
determined to be on a collision course with Earth - since it was only
discovered at about 0630 GMT on Monday.

"For us, [we feel] satisfaction because our computation worked and
because this kind of accident - which is without any risk that anybody
[would be] hurt - will make people more aware of the fact that something
has to be done about asteroids in case a bigger one arrives,"
Milani told New Scientist.

"The fact that we're able to make this prediction proves the system's
working," says Chesley. "These sized objects are not the ones we're most
concerned about - there are tens of thousands of much larger objects
that could cause real damage on the ground that are still yet to be found."

Despite the advanced warning, there is probably too little time to mount
a mission to observe the atmospheric impact from an aeroplane, as
sometimes happens during known meteor showers,
says Milani. "But now that this is out in the public, anybody who has a
telescope is going to be pointing it in that direction," Chesley says.

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct  6 20:58:02 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:58:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid to Light Up Sky Over Africa (2008
	TC3)
Message-ID: <200810070058.RAA11400@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Oct. 06, 2008

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington                               
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov 

Veronica McGregor 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
818-354-9452 
veronica.c.mcgregor at jpl.nasa.gov   
RELEASE: 08-254

SMALL ASTEROID TO LIGHT UP SKY OVER AFRICA

WASHINGTON -- An asteroid measuring several feet in diameter is 
expected to enter the atmosphere over northern Sudan before dawn 
Tuesday, setting off a potentially brilliant natural fireworks 
display. 

It is unlikely any sizable fragments will survive the fiery passage 
through Earth's atmosphere. The event is expected to occur at 5:46 
a.m. local time (10:46 p.m. EDT Monday). 

"We estimate objects this size enter Earth's atmosphere once every few 
months," said Don Yeomans of the Near-Earth Object Office at NASA's 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "The unique aspect of 
this event is that it is the first time we have observed an impacting 
object during its final approach." 

The small space rock, designated 2008 TC3, will be traveling on an 
eastward trajectory that will carry it toward the Red Sea. 

"Observers in the region could be in for quite a show," Yeomans said. 
"When the object enters the atmosphere, it could become an extremely 
bright fireball." 

The small space rock first was observed by the Mount Lemon telescope 
of the NASA-funded Catalina Sky Survey early Monday. NASA detects and 
tracks asteroids and comets passing close to Earth. The Near Earth 
Object Observation Program, commonly called "Spaceguard," plots the 
orbits of these objects to determine if any could be potentially 
hazardous to our planet. 

For more information, visit: 

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/ 

	
-end-


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct  6 21:02:28 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:02:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] UA Scientists Discover Tiny Asteroid That Will Hit
	Earth Tonight (2008 TC3)
Message-ID: <200810070102.SAA12219@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



FROM: Lori Stiles (cell - 360-0574; lstiles at u.arizona.edu)

UA Scientists Discover Tiny Asteroid That Will Hit Earth Tonight
University of Arizona
October 6, 2008

University of Arizona scientists last night discovered a very small asteroid
that is on course to hit Earth tonight at about 7:45 p.m. MST in northern
Sudan.

The asteroid is too small to be hazardous. But it is the first time astronomers
have discovered an object with a nearly 100 percent chance of hitting the
Earth.

The tiny space rock is only two meters in diameter and is traveling at 12
kilometers per second, said Ed Beshore of UA's Catalina Sky Survey. "Whether it
will survive entry through Earth's atmosphere depends on its composition,"
Beshore said. "But it is sure to create a spectacular sight for those fortunate
enough to see it at night."

The asteroid is expected to release about one kiloton of energy, either in a
single shot or in a series of explosions, when it hits Earth's atmosphere. It
is on course to hit Earth's atmosphere with a grazing strike, much like a
skipping stone on water, rather than make a direct hit, Beshore said.

"It's probably important for people in that area of the world to know that this
is not anything other than a natural phenomenon," Beshore said. "We're all
watching pretty closely."

The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Near Earth Object Observations Program carefully
monitors observations from surveys like Catalina as well as those from
individual observers. From this data researchers can determine orbits and the
likelihood of a collision with the Earth.

Richard Kowalski, a member of the Catalina Sky Survey team, discovered the
object with the team's 60-inch telescope on Mount Lemmon in the Santa Catalina
Mountains north of Tucson.

Amateur Italian astronomers are well positioned to see the impact and may get
pictures of it tonight, Beshore said.

Roughly one out of every 20 asteroids is iron, so this one is probably a stony
asteroid, Beshore said. Even if this asteroid is iron and reaches the ground
intact, the predicted impact area is largely uninhabited, and the danger to
individuals is small.

The Catalina Sky Survey last year broke all records for discoveries of
near-Earth objects, or NEOs. The survey found more than 450 NEOs in 2007.

SCIENCE CONTACT:
Ed Beshore, office: 520-626-4900 or cell: 520-395-5381; beshore at lpl.arizona.edu)


From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 21:21:54 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:21:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] videos
Message-ID: <825268.86302.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

anybody got any good meteor videos out there? what is the best one ever shot?


      

From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Mon Oct  6 21:37:05 2008
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:37:05 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] videos
References: <825268.86302.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AC28B2622E194628898CF328801C95AC@bellatrix>

There are over 23000 still meteor images available here: 
http://meteor.cloudbait.com and 140 of the best of these have videos online 
here: http://www.cloudbait.com/meteor/videos.php

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mckinney trammell" <bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:21 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] videos


> anybody got any good meteor videos out there? what is the best one ever 
> shot?


From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Oct  7 01:22:10 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:22:10 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in
	less than 8 hours
In-Reply-To: <002501c927ec$6ef49e60$264de146@ATARIENGINE>
References: <000c01c927e8$91d5be90$264de146@ATARIENGINE>
	<48EA6782.6050504@meteorites.cc>
	<002501c927ec$6ef49e60$264de146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <qesle4168rclv8lrhj2phc5m66o6n94qji@4ax.com>

Looks like one sighting, at least:

http://www.spaceweather.com/

From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  7 02:30:55 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:30:55 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Will 10 villagers of Station Six win the space
	lottery?
Message-ID: <004701c92846$41993070$264de146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, All,

Another forward from Rob Matson earlier
this evening, with a predicted impact point.


Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: Will 10 villagers of Station Six win the space lottery?


Hi Sterling,

Something else you can pass along to the met list.  Based on the
latest telescope observations, I compute a geometrical impact
point near 20.6N, 33.06E.  The shallow approach is from
azimuth 280, so the meteorites will fall tens of kilometers
west-northwest of that location.  The nearest point of
civilization to the likely meteorite fall location is the tiny
village of "Station Six" -- basically a railway stop and home
to 10 villagers according to this web diary:

http://www.southing.com/Templates/diary/diary_entries/sudan/diary_right_10dec.htm

Has Mike Farmer packed his bags?  ;-)  I only partly jest.  If he
needs a little extra incentive, consider this:  the minimum orbital
intersection distance (MOID) for this space rock with Mars is less
than a million miles.  In other words, could "Station Six" be the name
of the next Mars meteorite?  --Rob


From Impactika at aol.com  Tue Oct  7 04:03:05 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 04:03:05 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Will 10 villagers of Station Six win the
	space lotte...
Message-ID: <caf.3517e0e6.361c71b9@aol.com>

Hello Sterling and Rob,
 
I found it quickly on an Atlas. That diary gave a big clue: Wadi Halfa, on 
the Nile, the entry point from Egypt into Sudan, and one day drive further: 
Station Six. about 150km by road and 100km (60 miles) in straight line south of 
the border. 
The fireball might have been visible from Aswan.
 
Goodnight.
 
Anne Black
 
 
In a message dated 10/7/2008 12:31:08 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net writes:
Hi, All,

Another forward from Rob Matson earlier
this evening, with a predicted impact point.


Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: Will 10 villagers of Station Six win the space lottery?


Hi Sterling,

Something else you can pass along to the met list.  Based on the
latest telescope observations, I compute a geometrical impact
point near 20.6N, 33.06E.  The shallow approach is from
azimuth 280, so the meteorites will fall tens of kilometers
west-northwest of that location.  The nearest point of
civilization to the likely meteorite fall location is the tiny
village of "Station Six" -- basically a railway stop and home
to 10 villagers according to this web diary:

http://www.southing.com/Templates/diary/diary_entries/sudan/diary_right_10dec.
htm

Has Mike Farmer packed his bags?  ;-)  I only partly jest.  If he
needs a little extra incentive, consider this:  the minimum orbital
intersection distance (MOID) for this space rock with Mars is less
than a million miles.  In other words, could "Station Six" be the name
of the next Mars meteorite?  --Rob



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From info at meteorites.com.au  Tue Oct  7 04:34:33 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:34:33 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] videos
In-Reply-To: <825268.86302.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <825268.86302.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2C50E12DB5EC4CECAABAFD1968427654@JeffPC>

http://www.meteorites.com.au/films/

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mckinney trammell" <bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:21 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] videos


> anybody got any good meteor videos out there? what is the best one ever 
> shot?
>
>
>
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From fcressy at prodigy.net  Tue Oct  7 10:48:59 2008
From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:48:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Will 10 villagers of Station Six win the
	space lottery?
In-Reply-To: <004701c92846$41993070$264de146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <443627.23004.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Rob, Sterling, and all;

Regarding the last part of your post about a Mars fall.  October 6 is just three days after the anniversaries of both the Chassigny (Oct. 3, 1815) and Zagami (Oct. 3, 1962) Martian falls. So maybe the villagers will indeed win the lottery!

Isn't speculation wonderful!!!

Cheers,
Frank


> Has Mike Farmer packed his bags?  ;-)  I only partly jest. 
> If he
> needs a little extra incentive, consider this:  the minimum
> orbital
> intersection distance (MOID) for this space rock with Mars
> is less
> than a million miles.  In other words, could "Station
> Six" be the name
> of the next Mars meteorite?  --Rob
> 
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From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 11:21:46 2008
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:21:46 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Will 10 villagers of Station Six win the
	space lottery?
In-Reply-To: <443627.23004.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <004701c92846$41993070$264de146@ATARIENGINE>
	<443627.23004.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f9da8300810070821j259330d3k979f5985c7698872@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All
Everyone in the USA who is considering travel to pick up the possible
newest fall might want to read this first;
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_934.html

I'm sure you can get permission to travel outside of Khartoum in a few
months or years. You could also just sneak over the border get caught
and only possibly face the death penalty!

Of course if it is a Martian........


Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
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USA
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website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:
> Hello Rob, Sterling, and all;
>
> Regarding the last part of your post about a Mars fall.  October 6 is just three days after the anniversaries of both the Chassigny (Oct. 3, 1815) and Zagami (Oct. 3, 1962) Martian falls. So maybe the villagers will indeed win the lottery!
>
> Isn't speculation wonderful!!!
>
> Cheers,
> Frank
>
>
>> Has Mike Farmer packed his bags?  ;-)  I only partly jest.
>> If he
>> needs a little extra incentive, consider this:  the minimum
>> orbital
>> intersection distance (MOID) for this space rock with Mars
>> is less
>> than a million miles.  In other words, could "Station
>> Six" be the name
>> of the next Mars meteorite?  --Rob
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 11:43:30 2008
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:43:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sudan Asteroid Visually Seen?
Message-ID: <433163.2016.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

   I was excited to see the news when I got up this morning if the anticipated sighting over Sudan happened last night.
   So far am hearing nothing at all except a small bit on the Space Weather site that to me only sounds like a maybe..

   The list is quiet- apparently little came out of it?
Mike


      

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 11:56:02 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 08:56:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] TC3
Message-ID: <421844.36728.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

What will NASA do? Lie, to put it in one word. Put out tons of releases about asteroid impacts, while neglecting to mention comet impacts. Consider that the bulk of the impact hazard for the last 13,000 years or so has come from comet fragments, and not asteroids. And those comet fragments are as black as charcoal when they have finished outgassing. 

With the current systems, what are the chances of detecting the next Carbonaceous Chondrite of the Tunguska class before it hits? ZERO, 0, nought out nought, nada, zilch, or very near to it. If anyone here wants to break it down to the lumen, lambert, and bucket level, please do. Maybe it will get a little better with the next detection systems, assuming they get built.

Milani absolutely stated the right reason this particular detection and warning was important: no one mistook it for an explosive weapon. 

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas




      

From paul at meteorite.com  Tue Oct  7 13:18:06 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:18:06 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] October Meteorite-Times now up
Message-ID: <48EB99CE.3070302@meteorite.com>

Hello Everyone,

The October issue of Meteorite-Times is now up.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite_frame.htm

Enjoy,

Paul and Jim


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Oct  7 14:07:53 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:07:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2008 TC3 Fireball Observed from Airliner
Message-ID: <200810071807.LAA01199@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.spaceweather.com/

Space Weather News
October 7, 2008

ASTEROID IMPACT: Asteroid 2008 TC3 hit Earth this
morning (Oct. 7th at 0243 UT), exploding in the atmosphere over northern
Sudan like a kiloton of TNT. Most of the 3-meter-wide asteroid should
have been vaporized in the atmosphere with only small pieces reaching
the ground as meteorites. So far, no pictures of the fireball have been
submitted; the impact occured in a remote area with few (and possibly
no) onlookers capable of recording the event. Nevertheless, the asteroid
did strike Earth as predicted.

This confirming report comes from Jacob Kuiper
<mailto:jacobkuiper at solcon.nl>, General Aviation meteorologist at the
National Weather Service in the Netherlands: "Half an hour before the
predicted impact of asteroid 2008 TC3, I informed an official of
Air-France-KLM at Amsterdam airport about the possibility that crews of
their airliners in the vicinity of impact would have a chance to see a
fireball. And it was a success! I have received confirmation that a KLM
airliner, roughly 750 nautical miles southwest of the predicted
atmospheric impact position, has observed a short flash just before the
expected impact time 0246 UTC. Because of the distance it was not a very
large phenomenon, but still a confirmation that some bright meteor has
been seen in the predicted direction. Projected on an infrared
satellite-image
<http://spaceweather.com/submissions/pics/j/Jacob-Kuiper-0810070300zmet7IRposplane_1223352768.jpg>
of Meteosat-7 of 0300 UTC, I have indicated the position of the plane
(+) and the predicted impact area in Sudan (0)."

2008 TC3 was discovered on Oct. 6th by astronomers using the Mt. Lemmon
telescope in Arizona as part of the NASA-funded Catalina Sky Survey for
near-Earth objects. Asteroids the size of 2008 TC3 hit Earth every few
months, but this is the first time one has been discovered before it hit.



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Oct  7 14:19:26 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:19:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update: September 25 -
	October 3, 2008
Message-ID: <200810071819.LAA04352@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE:  Spirit and Earth Stick Together - sol 1685-1689,
September 28 - October 03, 2008:

Spirit is poised to begin making more "phone calls" to Earth and
engineers are preparing to contact Spirit more frequently as a result of
improving solar power input on Mars. Though Spirit's energy levels are
still low, they are improving significantly as Martian winter gradually
fades into spring. The rover will use some of the energy to let
engineers and scientists know how things are going on Mars.

Spirit stays in touch by transmitting data at UHF frequencies to NASA's
Odyssey orbiter. Odyssey sends it to Earth. On the other end of the
line, engineers send new activity plans to Spirit using X-band
transmissions from Earth that go directly to the rover's dish antenna.
More frequent communication allows greater operational flexibility as
the rover gradually returns to a normal planning schedule and prepares
to drive again in mid- to late October.

Spirit's first post-winter drive will be short, just far enough to
adjust the rover's position so its solar panels remain tilted toward the
Sun as it moves higher in the sky. The goal is to have Spirit in the
best possible position before solar conjunction -- the time of year when
the Sun passes between Mars and Earth and temporarily prohibits
communication.

Meanwhile, Spirit has been working hard to complete the full-color
"Bonestell panorama" of the rover's winter surroundings. After a long
hiatus caused by power limitations, Spirit resumed making measurements
of argon gas in the Martian atmosphere.

Spirit is healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected as of sol
1686 (Sept. 30, 2008). Solar-array energy increased to 262 watt-hours
(100 watt-hours is the amount of energy needed to light a 100-watt bulb
for one hour). Skies remained clear, with tau, a measure of the amount
of sunlight blocked by atmospheric dust, at 0.134. Historically, dust
levels at this time of year have been higher. Rover operators are
keeping close tabs on atmospheric dust because of its potential impact
on the rover's power state.

Sol-by-sol summary

Spirit completed the following activities:

Sol 1685 (Sept. 28, 2008): Spirit listened for communications from Earth
with the rover's low-gain antenna, checked for drift -- changes with
time -- in the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, surveyed the sky
and ground with the instrument, and measured atmospheric opacity caused
by dust (tau) with the panoramic camera. Spirit monitored dust
accumulation on the panoramic-camera mast assembly and acquired column
22, part 2, and column 24, part 2 of the so-called "Bonestell panorama,"
a full-color, 360-degree view of the rover's winter surroundings,
created with all 13 color filters of the panoramic camera.

Sol 1686: Spirit received new instructions from Earth at X-band
frequencies sent to the rover's high-gain antenna and spent three hours
measuring argon gas in the Martian atmosphere with the alpha-particle
X-ray spectrometer. Spirit relayed data to NASA's Odyssey orbiter to be
transmitted to Earth.

Sol 1687: Spirit measured dust-related changes in atmospheric darkness
with the panoramic camera and acquired column 23, part 2 and column 25,
part 2 of the Bonestell panorama.

Sol 1688: Spirit checked for drift in the miniature thermal emission
spectrometer, surveyed the sky and ground with the instrument, and
measured atmospheric opacity caused by dust with the panoramic camera.
Spirit acquired column 27, part 2 and column 26, part 2 of the Bonestell
panorama. The rover supplemented panoramic-camera measurements of
atmospheric dust with measurements from the navigation camera and
acquired a four-frame movie in search of clouds with the navigation camera.

Sol 1689 (Oct. 3, 2008): Plans called for Spirit to measure dust-related
changes in atmospheric darkness with the panoramic camera and acquire
column 19, part 3 and column 21, part 3 of the Bonestell panorama. The
rover was to assess atmospheric dust levels with the navigation camera
and produce a four-frame, time-lapse movie of potential clouds passing
overhead.

Odometry:

As of sol 1686 (Sept. 30, 2008), Spirit's total odometry remained at
7,528.0 meters (4.7 miles).

------------------------------------------------------------------------

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE:  Opportunity Takes a Victory Lap - sol 1661-1668,
September 25-30, 2008:

A journey of 7.5 miles began with a partial victory lap around "Victoria
Crater," as Opportunity headed south toward enormous "Endeavour Crater."
Partway around the circuit, Opportunity passed the 7.5-mile mark of the
mission. In metric terms, the rover began a 12,000-meter, cross-country
trek by ending a similar 12,000-meter journey across uncharted terrain
and in and out of craters.

Opportunity also chalked up the second-longest drive of the mission on
sol 1663 (Sept. 27, 2008), advancing 153 meters (500 feet). Three days
later, Opportunity drove another 129 meters (423 feet), on sol 1666
(Sept. 30, 2008).

Along the way, the rover took advantage of opportunities to explore rock
layers and other features visible from the rim of Victoria Crater. The
first drive of the trek on Martian day, or sol, 1661 (Sept. 25, 2008)
included a drive-by photo shoot with the camera pointed at a small
crater known as "Sputnik Crater" on the edge of Victoria. That drive
covered 27 meters (89 feet).

Drive performance has been excellent, with very little wheel slippage on
this terrain. As a result, Opportunity is now in position to approach
Victoria Crater again. This time, the rover's itinerary will take it
onto a promontory called "Cape Victory" for a photo shoot of rock layers
visible in a neighboring promontory known as "Cape Pillar."

On its journey to the southeast, Opportunity will have route-planning
assistance from super high-resolution images taken by the Mars
Reconnaissance Orbiter. Rover operators will use the images, which
reveal details as small as individual boulders, to plot the safest path.

Opportunity remains healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected
as of Martian day, or sol, 1666 (Sept. 30, 2008). Power continues to
improve, with sunlight generating 654 watt-hours of solar energy --
enough to light a 100-watt bulb for 6.5 hours (100 watt-hours is the
amount of energy needed to light a 100-watt bulb for one hour.)

Sol-by-sol summary:

Besides measuring daily, dust-related changes in atmospheric clarity
with the panoramic camera, Opportunity completed the following activities:

Sol 1661 (Sept. 25, 2008): Midway through the sol's drive, Opportunity
acquired a 3-by-1 panel of images of Sputnik using the navigation
camera. The rover acquired a 2-by-1 panel of forward-looking images with
the navigation camera. Before relaying data to NASA's Odyssey orbiter
for transmission to Earth, Opportunity took several tiers of post-drive
images, including a 4-by-1 tier with the panoramic camera as well as
3-by-1 and 7-by-1 tiers with the navigation camera.

Sol 1662: In the morning, Opportunity took thumbnail images of the sky
for calibration purposes with the panoramic camera. After sending data
to Odyssey, Opportunity measured argon gas in the Martian atmosphere
using the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer.

Sol 1663: Opportunity searched for morning clouds by acquiring six,
freeze-frame images to be stitched together into a movie. Before the
day's drive, Opportunity acquired a 3-by-1 mosaic of images of Sputnik,
an image of another small crater nicknamed "Gauss," and a ripple profile
with the panoramic camera. Opportunity made the second-longest,
single-day drive of the mission, traveling a distance of 152 meters (449
feet). The rover acquired rearward-looking images of the ground near its
wheels with the hazard-avoidance cameras and relayed data to Odyssey.

Sol 1664: Opportunity searched for morning clouds by acquiring six movie
frames with the navigation camera. The rover acquired a 2-by-1 panel of
forward-looking images with the navigation camera. After driving another
129 meters (423 feet), Opportunity acquired a 3-by-1 tier of
navigation-camera images and a 7-by-1 and 6-by-1 tier of
panoramic-camera images. Using all 13 color filters of the panoramic
camera, Opportunity completed a systematic survey and took images of the
external magnets. After sending data to Odyssey, the rover measured
atmospheric argon.

Sol 1665: In the morning, Opportunity took spot images of the sky for
calibration purposes with the panoramic camera. The rover surveyed the
sky at high Sun and also measured albedo -- surface brightness -- with
the panoramic camera. After relaying data to Odyssey, Opportunity
measured argon gas in the atmosphere with the alpha-particle X-ray
spectrometer.

Sol 1666 (Sept. 30, 2008): Opportunity took morning thumbnail images of
the sky for calibration purposes with the panoramic camera. In
conjunction with the day's drive, the rover took a 2-by-1 panel of
forward-looking images with the navigation camera. Opportunity acquired
a 3-by-1 and a 7-by-1 post-drive tier of images with the navigation
camera as well as a 4-by-1 panel of images with the panoramic camera.
After sending data to Odyssey, Opportunity measured atmospheric argon.
Plans for the following day called for the rover to take spot images of
the sky with the panoramic camera, monitor dust accumulation on the
rover mast, and acquire a six-frame movie in search of Martian clouds.

Odometry:

As of sol 1666 (Sept. 30, 2008), Opportunity's total odometry was
12,188.15 meters (7.53 miles).



From gsac at gmx.net  Tue Oct  7 15:22:50 2008
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:22:50 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2008 TC3 Fireball Observed from
	Airliner
In-Reply-To: <200810071807.LAA01199@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200810071807.LAA01199@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <20081007192250.273840@gmx.net>

A member of our German meteorite discussion forum posted a few pics from the Egypt based El Gouna webcam [http://www.kitepower-elgouna.com/en/el_gouna/webcam/], where you can clearly see a brightening of the building in the foreground, exactly at the predicted time, which lasted for about 3-4 seconds, according to the poster. I have not asked him for permission to publish his few screenshots of the event, but may be this camera has sort of a backlog. It is situated as far as about 700 km (450 mi) away from the calculated impact point in northern Sudan, so I suppose it must have been an even more amazing sight from the Aswan area in southern Egypt, closer to the impact point. May be one or the other engineer working at the Aswan embarkment dam can contribute another sighting report, as time goes by. They also may have special webcams at this site, so more clips may surface.

Any more news available? What do the orbital specialists say about the final decay (or may be even touchdown) coordinates, after evaluating final observations? Rob...?

Alex
Berlin/Germany 


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:07:53 -0700 (PDT)
> Von: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2008 TC3 Fireball Observed from Airliner

> 
> http://www.spaceweather.com/
> 
> Space Weather News
> October 7, 2008
> 
> ASTEROID IMPACT: Asteroid 2008 TC3 hit Earth this
> morning (Oct. 7th at 0243 UT), exploding in the atmosphere over northern
> Sudan like a kiloton of TNT. Most of the 3-meter-wide asteroid should
> have been vaporized in the atmosphere with only small pieces reaching
> the ground as meteorites. So far, no pictures of the fireball have been
> submitted; the impact occured in a remote area with few (and possibly
> no) onlookers capable of recording the event. Nevertheless, the asteroid
> did strike Earth as predicted.
> 
> This confirming report comes from Jacob Kuiper
> <mailto:jacobkuiper at solcon.nl>, General Aviation meteorologist at the
> National Weather Service in the Netherlands: "Half an hour before the
> predicted impact of asteroid 2008 TC3, I informed an official of
> Air-France-KLM at Amsterdam airport about the possibility that crews of
> their airliners in the vicinity of impact would have a chance to see a
> fireball. And it was a success! I have received confirmation that a KLM
> airliner, roughly 750 nautical miles southwest of the predicted
> atmospheric impact position, has observed a short flash just before the
> expected impact time 0246 UTC. Because of the distance it was not a very
> large phenomenon, but still a confirmation that some bright meteor has
> been seen in the predicted direction. Projected on an infrared
> satellite-image
> <http://spaceweather.com/submissions/pics/j/Jacob-Kuiper-0810070300zmet7IRposplane_1223352768.jpg>
> of Meteosat-7 of 0300 UTC, I have indicated the position of the plane
> (+) and the predicted impact area in Sudan (0)."
> 
> 2008 TC3 was discovered on Oct. 6th by astronomers using the Mt. Lemmon
> telescope in Arizona as part of the NASA-funded Catalina Sky Survey for
> near-Earth objects. Asteroids the size of 2008 TC3 hit Earth every few
> months, but this is the first time one has been discovered before it hit.
> 
> 
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From mlblood at cox.net  Tue Oct  7 15:50:57 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:50:57 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tunguska  tree slices
In-Reply-To: <20081007192250.273840@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <C5110BB1.1AAB8%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi all,
        Again, I am searching for a crosscut of Tunguska wood
With meteoritic or cometary fragments lodged in the rings
Dating to the event.
        I know there is no new material out there so it would
Have to be someone with an existing piece. I believe the last
Time it was available was several years ago and consisted of
Relatively large quarter slices. If anyone is willing to sell or
Trade me one or even part of one of these I am highly motivated
and can discuss cash and or trade worthy of same.
        Please contact me off  list.
        Thanks, Michael


 

Totally Green by Twenty Eighteen!

Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail Out"):
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm








From gsac at gmx.net  Tue Oct  7 16:21:14 2008
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:21:14 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Re: Asteroid 2008 TC3 Fireball Observed
	from	Airliner
Message-ID: <20081007202114.132030@gmx.net>

Adding to my recent post, here is the URL, with granted permission from a friendly
member of our German meteorite forum: [http://home.pages.at/thie/Asteroid/]

Alex
Berlin/Germany


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:22:50 +0200
Von: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>
An: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2008 TC3 Fireball Observed from	Airliner

A member of our German meteorite discussion forum posted a few pics from the Egypt based El Gouna webcam [http://www.kitepower-elgouna.com/en/el_gouna/webcam/], where you can clearly see a brightening of the building in the foreground, exactly at the predicted time, which lasted for about 3-4 seconds, according to the poster. I have not asked him for permission to publish his few screenshots of the event, but may be this camera has sort of a backlog. It is situated as far as about 700 km (450 mi) away from the calculated impact point in northern Sudan, so I suppose it must have been an even more amazing sight from the Aswan area in southern Egypt, closer to the impact point. May be one or the other engineer working at the Aswan embarkment dam can contribute another sighting report, as time goes by. They also may have special webcams at this site, so more clips may surface.

Any more news available? What do the orbital specialists say about the final decay (or may be even touchdown) coordinates, after evaluating final observations? Rob...?

Alex
Berlin/Germany 


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:07:53 -0700 (PDT)
> Von: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2008 TC3 Fireball Observed from Airliner

> 
> http://www.spaceweather.com/
> 
> Space Weather News
> October 7, 2008
> 
> ASTEROID IMPACT: Asteroid 2008 TC3 hit Earth this
> morning (Oct. 7th at 0243 UT), exploding in the atmosphere over northern
> Sudan like a kiloton of TNT. Most of the 3-meter-wide asteroid should
> have been vaporized in the atmosphere with only small pieces reaching
> the ground as meteorites. So far, no pictures of the fireball have been
> submitted; the impact occured in a remote area with few (and possibly
> no) onlookers capable of recording the event. Nevertheless, the asteroid
> did strike Earth as predicted.
> 
> This confirming report comes from Jacob Kuiper
> <mailto:jacobkuiper at solcon.nl>, General Aviation meteorologist at the
> National Weather Service in the Netherlands: "Half an hour before the
> predicted impact of asteroid 2008 TC3, I informed an official of
> Air-France-KLM at Amsterdam airport about the possibility that crews of
> their airliners in the vicinity of impact would have a chance to see a
> fireball. And it was a success! I have received confirmation that a KLM
> airliner, roughly 750 nautical miles southwest of the predicted
> atmospheric impact position, has observed a short flash just before the
> expected impact time 0246 UTC. Because of the distance it was not a very
> large phenomenon, but still a confirmation that some bright meteor has
> been seen in the predicted direction. Projected on an infrared
> satellite-image
> <http://spaceweather.com/submissions/pics/j/Jacob-Kuiper-0810070300zmet7IRposplane_1223352768.jpg>
> of Meteosat-7 of 0300 UTC, I have indicated the position of the plane
> (+) and the predicted impact area in Sudan (0)."
> 
> 2008 TC3 was discovered on Oct. 6th by astronomers using the Mt. Lemmon
> telescope in Arizona as part of the NASA-funded Catalina Sky Survey for
> near-Earth objects. Asteroids the size of 2008 TC3 hit Earth every few
> months, but this is the first time one has been discovered before it hit.
> 
> 
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Oct  7 16:40:42 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:40:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Impact of Asteroid 2008 TC3 Confirmed
Message-ID: <200810072040.NAA10497@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news160.html      

Impact of Asteroid 2008 TC3 Confirmed
Don Yeomans
NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
October 7, 2008

Confirmation has been received that the asteroid impact fireball
occurred at the predicted time and place. The energy recorded was
estimated to be 0.9 to 1.0 kT of TNT and the time of detection was
02:45:45 on October 7 (Greenwich Standard Time). More details on this
detection will be forthcoming. An addition confirmation was apparently
reported by a KLM airliner (see: http://www.spaceweather.com/). As
reported by Peter Brown (University of Western Ontario, Canada), a
preliminary examination of infrasound stations nearest to the predicted
impact point shows that at least one station recorded the event. These
measurements are consistent with the predicted time and place of the
atmospheric impact and indicate an estimated energy of 1.1 - 2.1 kT of 
TNT.



From mikewren at gilanet.com  Tue Oct  7 17:10:54 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:10:54 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: A Few Meteorite Masterpieces On Sale This Week
	ONLY!
Message-ID: <20081007211105.02AF9105B8@mailwash5.pair.com>

Hello,

If you click on the link and go into my store and click on auctions
you will
find some incredible masterpieces on sale for ONLY this week at these
prices.

Go to:

MAIN STORE LINK:
http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store?


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham



From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 17:14:14 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:14:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) 3 METEORITES FORSALRE
Message-ID: <132110.49398.qm@web57807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I know the 1 add per week is in affect and I advertized yesterday,but I have 1 more add than I am done.I hould have put this with it yesterday,but it did not come to my mind until late today.I have a 575 gram whole stone of NWA 787,a 25 gram very oriented gao,and a 4 gram erg chech whole stone forsale.I want $400.Please let me know offlist.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Tue Oct  7 19:19:44 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:19:44 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Reduced Prices on LARGE Zag Slices
Message-ID: <A0BF7A631E344DD8BAB5215ACE7578B1@David>

For a limited time, I'm going to reduce the cost of any Zag Slice on my 
website that weighs more then 50 grams to $2.50 per gram

You can view the slices by clicking this:

http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/FS%20Zag.htm


All of the smaller slices are still $3 per gram

If you are interested in a whole sale lot, I will reduce the price to $2.50 
per gram for any group of slices with a minimum total weight of 200 grams

If you're interested in anything please contact me off list at bobadebt at 
ec.rr.com

Thanks 


From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 22:02:59 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:02:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] largest piece of vesta know-  pix?
Message-ID: <162516.24609.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

anybody got pick of the largest piece of vesta on earth (collected)?


      

From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 22:49:44 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:49:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 27 g ALBIN, WY for sale
Message-ID: <663313.86237.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

taking offers on this seldom-available-in-small-portions us pallasite. chloraseptic green HUGE olivine, etc. 


      

From moutinho at bol.com.br  Wed Oct  8 00:20:45 2008
From: moutinho at bol.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Moutinho?=)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 01:20:45 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] How to prepare a pallasite slice
In-Reply-To: <200810072040.NAA10497@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200810072040.NAA10497@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <00d601c928fd$3c7aaf80$b5700e80$@com.br>

Hello, After cutting a palasitte slice.. How it can be polished?

Thanks
Andr? Moutinho
http://moutinho.astrodatabase.net



From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Oct  8 01:08:41 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:08:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stunning shot of mercury
In-Reply-To: <20081007202114.132030@gmx.net>
References: <20081007202114.132030@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <plfoe4deu0ngra6jg62i2j68v1h35jkk46@4ax.com>

No, that isn't a particularly unwise order at a bar:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/07/watermelon-planet/

From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  8 02:35:45 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 01:35:45 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stunning shot of mercury
References: <20081007202114.132030@gmx.net>
	<plfoe4deu0ngra6jg62i2j68v1h35jkk46@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <00ed01c92910$18b4fde0$264de146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi,

The interesting thing about the bright rayed craters is this:
"...you'll see that almost all the bright small craters can be
seen to have rays, too. Over time, the solar wind and
meteorite impacts erase ray systems, so they come from
young craters, and young craters tend to have brighter
floors."

Doesn't this imply a substantial population of NMA's?
(That's Near Mercury Asteroids!) Or are they cometary
impacts? This raises a question. There have been many
searches for asteroids in intra-Mercurian orbits, quite
thorough ones. Such an "inner" asteroid zone has been
proposed by a number of astronomers, to account for
numerous mistaken observations of intra-Mercurian
"planets" and objects transiting the Sun. These searches
have ruled out the existence any intra-Mercurian objects
as large as or larger than 10 km, and it now widely believed
that there aren't any inner system asteroids.

So, what made these "recent" bright rayed craters on
Mercury? The age of bright rayed craters on the Moon
are thought to range from less than 800 million years to
yesterday. Since it is the solar wind that erases ray systems
and since the solar wind is much more intense at Mercury,
these craters must be younger than 800 million years.

Is this evidence of a high cometary flux? Is this evidence
of a now-depleted reservoir of inner system asteroids?
Is this evidence of a "recent" inner system bombardment
episode? (The surface of Venus is 480 million years old,
+/- 60 million years.)

It's what I like about the Universe. Always something new.


Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 12:08 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stunning shot of mercury


No, that isn't a particularly unwise order at a bar:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/07/watermelon-planet/
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From zneutronz at aol.com  Wed Oct  8 05:50:34 2008
From: zneutronz at aol.com (zneutronz at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:50:34 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites for sale !
In-Reply-To: <8CAEACB0A2A561C-1128-8A0@mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CAEACB0A2A561C-1128-8A0@mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CAF7427168E4D1-145C-26B0@webmail-de12.sysops.aol.com>

hi again !

hope that someone has interest in this specimens. it would be a big 
support for our help project in thailand.
so feel free and order, we really need the money  !!!!!

thanks, oliver



still avaiable :?
?
- NWA4925, shergottite, 1.956g, partslice?
- Dhofar 310, lunar, 0.352g?
- NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut?
- NWA4483 lunar, 2.559g, partslice
?

?
?
Chiang Khan 63.4g, oriented 100% crust, individual is SOLD?
Chiang Khan 27.5g is SOLD?
?
?see these specimens here?
?
http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/?
?

?
?
Dear meteorite friends!?
?
Once again I need to tell you about a tragedy here in Thailand and I 
hope?
that you can help us out. A short time ago, my long-time friend and 
companion?
of many Chiang Khan expeditions drowned in the Mekhong river. Mr Tim 
has left?
his wife and several children behind, who have now lost the primary?
breadwinner.?
?
Friends of Mr Tim's informed me about the financial crises that the 
family is?
in. Mr Tim was a loyal and honest travel companion on many of my 
expeditions,?
and we had become good friends. For this reason my wife and I have 
tried to?
help Mr Tim's wife and family and have financed a small grocery store. 
This?
should help support the family.?
?
The total sum we gave 
towards the store was around Thai Baht 470,000, 
or?
around Euro 9,500. We have scrounged up2 0this sum ourselves, even our 
4-year-?
old daughter had to plunder her bank account.?
?
To recoup this money, which20we now miss dearly, I have decided to sell 
the?
last few larger specimens in my collection.?
?
Amongst these pieces are two larger Chian Kahn specimens (all the 
remaining?
pieces are under 5g).?
A museum specimen, very unusual, 27.5g. For this exceptional piece I am?
asking 90 Euro/g.?
The second item is a 100% crusted, beautifully oriented Chiang Kahn, 
63.4g.?
Here I am asking for 45 Euro/g.?
?
Also Offered are the following pieces:?
* NWA4925, shergottite, 1.956g, partslice?
* Dhofar 310, lunar, 0.352g?
* NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut?
?
Please see these specimens here:?
?
http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/?
?
As I have mentioned, we hope to achieve Euro 9,500 with these sales. We 
trust?
that you will support us in light of the circumstances of this sale.?
?
Thank you so much for your time and consideration,?
Regards , Oliver?
?
IMCA#6131?
?
Oliver Alge?
Calle Las Artes, Loc. 2?
Res. Costa Caleta?
38679 La Caleta, Tenerife?
Islas Canarias, Espa?a?
phone : 0034-922 711 831?
email : ZneutronZ at aol.com?




-----Urspr?ngliche Mitteil
ung-----
Von: zneutronz at aol.com
An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Verschickt: Mo., 22. Sept. 2008, 14:05
Thema: meteorites for sale !


as there was a mistake in details i have to inform you :?
?
NWA4925 has 1.956g, not 2.956g?
?
still avaiable :?
?
- NWA4925, shergottite, 1.956g, partslice?
- Dhofar 310, lunar, 0.352g?
- NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut?
?
anybody interested ?????????????????????
?
?
Chiang Khan 63.4g, oriented 100% crust, individual is SOLD?
Chiang Khan 27.5g is SOLD?
?
?see these specimens here?
?
http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/?
?
?
thanks, oliver?
?
?
?
Dear meteorite friends!?
?
Once again I need to tell you about a tragedy here in Thailand and I 
hope?
that you can help us out. A short time ago, my long-time friend and 
companion?
of many Chiang Khan expeditions drowned in the Mekhong river. Mr Tim 
has left?
his wife and several children behind, who have now lost the primary?
breadwinner.?
?
Friends of Mr Tim's informed me about the financial crises that the 
family is?
in. Mr Tim was a loyal and honest travel companion on many of my 
expeditions,?
and we had become good friends. For this reason my wife and I have 
tried to?
help Mr Tim's wife and family and have financed a small grocery store. 
This?

should help support the family.?
?
The total sum we gave towards the store was around Thai Baht 470,000, 
or?
around Euro 9,500. We have scrounged up2 0this sum ourselves, even our 
4-year-?
old daughter had to plunder her bank account.?
?
To recoup this money, which20we now miss dearly, I have decided to sell 
the?
last few larger specimens in my collection.?
?
Amongst these pieces are two larger Chian Kahn specimens (all the 
remaining?
pieces are under 5g).?
A museum specimen, very unusual, 27.5g. For this exceptional piece I am?
asking 90 Euro/g.?
The second item is a 100% crusted, beautifully oriented Chiang Kahn, 
63.4g.?
Here I am asking for 45 Euro/g.?
?
Also Offered are the following pieces:?
* NWA4925, shergottite, 1.956g, partslice?
* Dhofar 310, lunar, 0.352g?
* NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut?
?
Please see these specimens here:?
?
http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/?
?
As I have mentioned, we hope to achieve Euro 9,500 with these sales. We 
trust?
that you will support us in light of the circumstances of this sale.?
?
Thank you so much for your time and consideration,?
Regards , Oliver?
?
IMCA#6131?
?
Oliver Alge?
Calle Las Artes, Loc. 2?
Res. Costa Caleta?
38679 La Caleta, Tenerife?
Islas Canarias, Espa?a?
phone : 0034-922 711 831?
ema
il : ZneutronZ at aol.com?
?
?
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Wed Oct  8 06:50:39 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:50:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stunning shot of mercury
In-Reply-To: <00ed01c92910$18b4fde0$264de146@ATARIENGINE>
References: <20081007202114.132030@gmx.net>
	<plfoe4deu0ngra6jg62i2j68v1h35jkk46@4ax.com>
	<00ed01c92910$18b4fde0$264de146@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <52040.71.226.60.25.1223463039.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Sterling and others:

1. There should be more stuff hitting Mercury and at higher velocities
than the Moon. This should lead to more craters and more craters with
rays.

2. This should also increase the weathering do to micrometeorite impacts,
overturning of the regolith, and higher solar flux.

3. However, it is thought that the weathering on the Moon is due to the
dispursion on nanophase iron in the Moon's surface material (darkening on
the rock over time). It is believed that there is less iron and titanium
in the surface rock on Mercury, hence the "weathering" does not darken the
rays (or at least a fast) as on the Moon.

Larry

On Tue, October 7, 2008 11:35 pm, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> The interesting thing about the bright rayed craters is this:
> "...you'll see that almost all the bright small craters can be
> seen to have rays, too. Over time, the solar wind and meteorite impacts
> erase ray systems, so they come from young craters, and young craters tend
> to have brighter floors."
>
> Doesn't this imply a substantial population of NMA's?
> (That's Near Mercury Asteroids!) Or are they cometary
> impacts? This raises a question. There have been many searches for
> asteroids in intra-Mercurian orbits, quite thorough ones. Such an "inner"
> asteroid zone has been proposed by a number of astronomers, to account for
>  numerous mistaken observations of intra-Mercurian "planets" and objects
> transiting the Sun. These searches have ruled out the existence any
> intra-Mercurian objects as large as or larger than 10 km, and it now
> widely believed that there aren't any inner system asteroids.
>
> So, what made these "recent" bright rayed craters on
> Mercury? The age of bright rayed craters on the Moon
> are thought to range from less than 800 million years to yesterday. Since
> it is the solar wind that erases ray systems and since the solar wind is
> much more intense at Mercury, these craters must be younger than 800
> million years.
>
> Is this evidence of a high cometary flux? Is this evidence
> of a now-depleted reservoir of inner system asteroids? Is this evidence of
> a "recent" inner system bombardment episode? (The surface of Venus is 480
> million years old, +/- 60 million years.)
>
>
> It's what I like about the Universe. Always something new.
>
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 12:08 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Stunning shot of mercury
>
>
>
> No, that isn't a particularly unwise order at a bar:
>
>
> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/07/watermelon-plan
> et/ ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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>
>
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>



From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Wed Oct  8 08:08:13 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:08:13 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites for sale !
In-Reply-To: <8CAF7427168E4D1-145C-26B0@webmail-de12.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CAEACB0A2A561C-1128-8A0@mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CAF7427168E4D1-145C-26B0@webmail-de12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c9293e$8a1eb830$0bb2a8c0@name86d88d87e2>

Hello all,

maybe to support this sale a little bit:

As announced during the week of introduction in spring, we sell NWA 4925
nowadays on average at 800$/g and meanwhile only a quarter of the tkw of
280grams is left.
It is a highly attractive shergottite with its stunning and colourful
mega-crysts, the bulky maskelynite, slices are framed by a contrastive
weathering rind - against NWA 4925 the classical "standard"-Martians from
the DaG- and SaU-series are looking boring like concrete
and finally it has only a single suspected pairing of tiny 10 grams.

However NWA 4483 - we are completely sold out, no specimens from that number
available anymore. That endcut has a nice portion of the green exterior,
therefore it displays different aspects than the usual slices sold from
Moon.


So - if Oliver plans to get out all about the same price he once paid,
you're killing two birds with these stones:
You'll do a good deed and you'll have made a bargain.

Highly recommended!
Martin

www.chladnis-heirs.com


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
zneutronz at aol.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. Oktober 2008 11:51
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites for sale !

hi again !

hope that someone has interest in this specimens. it would be a big 
support for our help project in thailand.
so feel free and order, we really need the money  !!!!!

thanks, oliver



still avaiable :?
?
- NWA4925, shergottite, 1.956g, partslice?
- Dhofar 310, lunar, 0.352g?
- NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut?
- NWA4483 lunar, 2.559g, partslice
?

?
?
Chiang Khan 63.4g, oriented 100% crust, individual is SOLD?
Chiang Khan 27.5g is SOLD?
?
?see these specimens here?
?
http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/?
?

?
?
Dear meteorite friends!?
?
Once again I need to tell you about a tragedy here in Thailand and I 
hope?
that you can help us out. A short time ago, my long-time friend and 
companion?
of many Chiang Khan expeditions drowned in the Mekhong river. Mr Tim 
has left?
his wife and several children behind, who have now lost the primary?
breadwinner.?
?
Friends of Mr Tim's informed me about the financial crises that the 
family is?
in. Mr Tim was a loyal and honest travel companion on many of my 
expeditions,?
and we had become good friends. For this reason my wife and I have 
tried to?
help Mr Tim's wife and family and have financed a small grocery store. 
This?
should help support the family.?
?
The total sum we gave 
towards the store was around Thai Baht 470,000, 
or?
around Euro 9,500. We have scrounged up2 0this sum ourselves, even our 
4-year-?
old daughter had to plunder her bank account.?
?
To recoup this money, which20we now miss dearly, I have decided to sell 
the?
last few larger specimens in my collection.?
?
Amongst these pieces are two larger Chian Kahn specimens (all the 
remaining?
pieces are under 5g).?
A museum specimen, very unusual, 27.5g. For this exceptional piece I am?
asking 90 Euro/g.?
The second item is a 100% crusted, beautifully oriented Chiang Kahn, 
63.4g.?
Here I am asking for 45 Euro/g.?
?
Also Offered are the following pieces:?
* NWA4925, shergottite, 1.956g, partslice?
* Dhofar 310, lunar, 0.352g?
* NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut?
?
Please see these specimens here:?
?
http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/?
?
As I have mentioned, we hope to achieve Euro 9,500 with these sales. We 
trust?
that you will support us in light of the circumstances of this sale.?
?
Thank you so much for your time and consideration,?
Regards , Oliver?
?
IMCA#6131?
?
Oliver Alge?
Calle Las Artes, Loc. 2?
Res. Costa Caleta?
38679 La Caleta, Tenerife?
Islas Canarias, Espa?a?
phone : 0034-922 711 831?
email : ZneutronZ at aol.com?




-----Urspr?ngliche Mitteil
ung-----
Von: zneutronz at aol.com
An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Verschickt: Mo., 22. Sept. 2008, 14:05
Thema: meteorites for sale !


as there was a mistake in details i have to inform you :?
?
NWA4925 has 1.956g, not 2.956g?
?
still avaiable :?
?
- NWA4925, shergottite, 1.956g, partslice?
- Dhofar 310, lunar, 0.352g?
- NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut?
?
anybody interested ?????????????????????
?
?
Chiang Khan 63.4g, oriented 100% crust, individual is SOLD?
Chiang Khan 27.5g is SOLD?
?
?see these specimens here?
?
http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/?
?
?
thanks, oliver?
?
?
?
Dear meteorite friends!?
?
Once again I need to tell you about a tragedy here in Thailand and I 
hope?
that you can help us out. A short time ago, my long-time friend and 
companion?
of many Chiang Khan expeditions drowned in the Mekhong river. Mr Tim 
has left?
his wife and several children behind, who have now lost the primary?
breadwinner.?
?
Friends of Mr Tim's informed me about the financial crises that the 
family is?
in. Mr Tim was a loyal and honest travel companion on many of my 
expeditions,?
and we had become good friends. For this reason my wife and I have 
tried to?
help Mr Tim's wife and family and have financed a small grocery store. 
This?

should help support the family.?
?
The total sum we gave towards the store was around Thai Baht 470,000, 
or?
around Euro 9,500. We have scrounged up2 0this sum ourselves, even our 
4-year-?
old daughter had to plunder her bank account.?
?
To recoup this money, which20we now miss dearly, I have decided to sell 
the?
last few larger specimens in my collection.?
?
Amongst these pieces are two larger Chian Kahn specimens (all the 
remaining?
pieces are under 5g).?
A museum specimen, very unusual, 27.5g. For this exceptional piece I am?
asking 90 Euro/g.?
The second item is a 100% crusted, beautifully oriented Chiang Kahn, 
63.4g.?
Here I am asking for 45 Euro/g.?
?
Also Offered are the following pieces:?
* NWA4925, shergottite, 1.956g, partslice?
* Dhofar 310, lunar, 0.352g?
* NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut?
?
Please see these specimens here:?
?
http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/?
?
As I have mentioned, we hope to achieve Euro 9,500 with these sales. We 
trust?
that you will support us in light of the circumstances of this sale.?
?
Thank you so much for your time and consideration,?
Regards , Oliver?
?
IMCA#6131?
?
Oliver Alge?
Calle Las Artes, Loc. 2?
Res. Costa Caleta?
38679 La Caleta, Tenerife?
Islas Canarias, Espa?a?
phone : 0034-922 711 831?
ema
il : ZneutronZ at aol.com?
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Wed Oct  8 10:55:52 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:55:52 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Very Nice Auctions Ending Today - AD
Message-ID: <2FA80B16E9014DC9BA653F253218BE0A@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

Later today I have a number of very nice meteorite auctions ending under my 
seller name, NaturesVault . There are; "Last One's", One-of-a-Kinds and some 
larger pieces than regular. Here are the direct links, sure to brighten your 
day:

NWA 1878 Mesosiderite 36.5g, ETCHED
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350104434666
NWA 1879 Mesosiderite Slice 52.4g, LARGE Metal Inclusion NICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170268335124
NWA 1950 Lherzolitic Sherottite Martian 1.388g LAST ONE
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350104436874
NWA 2708 CK4 10g Complete Slice, LAST ONE
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170268336159
NWA 2708 CK4 3.2g Part Slice with LARGE Inclusion
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170268336444
NWA 2776 H5 Slice 14.4g Last One
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170268336844
NWA 2778 H4 Slice 12.3g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170268337062
NWA 4478 Brecciated Lodranite 1.108g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170268337394
Chergach H5-IMB 14.6g Slice with Shock Vein
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170268337632
Dhofar 019 Shergottite Slice 346mg
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170268337972
Dhofar 911 Lunar Complete Slice 684mg Very Nice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170268338527
Gao H5 Individual 154g from Robert Haag Collection
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170268339126
Glorieta Pallasite Individual 13.7g STUNNING with LARGE Crystal!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350104442553
Muonionalusta IVA Iron Complete Slice 272g ETCHED
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350104443360
Taza Plessitic Iron - Quantity 12 Individuals, Many ORIENTED 29.2g Total 
Combined Weight
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170268341811
Taza "Tazaluphagus" 167.1g Individual, SCULPTURAL
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170268344622

Thank you for looking and "Good Luck" to those who are bidding!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault





From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Oct  8 10:56:28 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:56:28 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] All heck breaks loose in early solar system
In-Reply-To: <200810072040.NAA10497@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200810072040.NAA10497@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <5dipe415a9uifvrrpujf9co5b2jt5gj6fo@4ax.com>

(for those of you who are language sensitive)

Timing on this seems about right for the Late Heavy Bombardment...


http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/all-hell-broke-loose-less-than-a-billion-years-after-solar-system-formation-re-issue_100103612.html

?All hell broke loose? less than a billion years after solar system formation
(Re-Issue)
October 5th, 2008 - 11:30 am ICT by ANI -

Washington, Oct 5 (ANI): A two-year search to find the Kuiper Belt??s smallest
objects, located in the outer solar system, has returned empty handed,
bolstering theories that ?all hell broke loose? in the solar system just a few
hundred million years after it formed. According to a report in New Scientist,
the search in question, the Taiwanese-American Occultation Survey (TAOS), spent
two years periodically photographing portions of the sky to look for small
chunks of rock and ice orbiting beyond Neptune, in a region of the solar system
called the Kuiper Belt. The survey targeted Kuiper Belt objects (KBOs) with
sizes between 2 miles (3 km) and 17 miles (28 km). Since such objects are too
small to see directly, the survey watched for stars to dim as KBOs passed in
front of and occulted them. After accumulating more than 200 hours of data
watching for stellar flickers lasting a second or less, TAOS did not spot any
occultations. The smallest KBOs seen so far measure about 30 km across and were
found five years ago using the Hubble Space Telescope. But only a few were seen
- 25 times more of the small objects had been predicted based on the size
distribution of larger KBOs. The non-discovery of the outer solar system??s
tiniest residents has turned up nothing, suggesting that ?all hell broke loose?
in the solar system just a few hundred million years after it formed. The solar
system began as a disc of slowly rotating dust grains and gas. When the dust
grains collided, they stuck together, snowballing into ever-larger structures.
The collisions at these earliest times were gentle enough that ?they mostly led
to sticking rather than breaking up?, said Charles Alcock, director of the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
This sticky process is thought to explain the distribution of medium- and
large-sized KBOs. But less than a billion years after the solar system began to
form, ?something happened that moved a lot of these bodies around?, said Alcock.
The giant outer planets moved out of their initial orbits, scattering KBOs in
their wake like bowling pins. ?Basically, everything sits around for 700 million
years and then boom - all hell breaks loose,? Hal Levison of the Southwest
Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado, has previously said of the period.
?After that phase of planet migration, when two objects encountered each other,
they broke each other up,? Alcock said. ?Smaller KBOs are thought to have formed
during that more destructive phase of collisions,? he added. (ANI)



http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0810/07kbo/

Outer solar system not as crowded as astronomers thought
HARVARD-SMITHSONIAN CENTER FOR ASTROPHYSICS RELEASE
Posted: October 7, 2008

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - When a treasure hunt comes up empty-handed, the hunters are
understandably disappointed. But when astronomers don't find what they are
looking for, the defeat can provide as much information as a successful search.

The search in question, the Taiwanese-American Occultation Survey (TAOS), spent
two years periodically photographing portions of the sky to look for small
chunks of rock and ice orbiting beyond Neptune, in a region of the solar system
called the Kuiper Belt. The survey targeted Kuiper Belt objects (KBOs) with
sizes between 2 miles (3 km) and 17 miles (28 km).

Since such objects are too small to see directly, the survey watched for stars
to dim as KBOs passed in front of and occulted them. After accumulating more
than 200 hours of data watching for stellar flickers lasting a second or less,
TAOS did not spot any occultations.

The Kuiper Belt contains objects in a range of sizes: a few very large ones
(like the dwarf planets Pluto, Eris, Makemake and Haumea) and many more smaller
ones. The commonness of a given size tells us information about the history of
planet formation and dynamics. In particular, the size distribution of KBOs
reflects a history of agglomeration, in which colliding objects tended to stick
together, followed by destructive collisions, where collisional velocities were
high enough to shatter the rocks involved.

Astronomers questioned whether they would find more and more objects as sizes
decreased further, or whether the distribution leveled out. The fact that no
occultations were seen sets a stringent upper limit on the number density of
KBOs between 2 and 17 miles in diameter. The outer solar system hence appears
not as crowded as some theories suggest, perhaps because small KBOs have already
stuck together to form larger bodies or frequent collisions have ground down
small KBOs into even smaller bits below the threshold of the survey.

The paper announcing this result, co-authored by CfA director Charles Alcock,
was published in the October 1 issue of the Astrophysical Journal Letters. The
full list of co-authors is available from ApJL.

Headquartered in Cambridge, Mass., the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for
Astrophysics (CfA) is a joint collaboration between the Smithsonian
Astrophysical Observatory and the Harvard College Observatory. CfA scientists,
organized into six research divisions, study the origin, evolution and ultimate
fate of the universe.

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 11:37:11 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:37:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stunning shot of Mercury
Message-ID: <391519.77795.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Sterling - 

You know, its strange, but whenever there's dark rayed craters it always has to be "surface area exposed".  No wonder as to why. 

It might be nice to know what hits and when, and if our planetary probes had retrieving that data as one of their highest priorities. It might be nice to get some really good accretion models for our solar system, in particular to refine the numbers for the impact hazard here on Earth. 

There's something else I'd like besides an mpeg composed of all of the images of the fragments of SL9 hitting Jupiter (preferably all dubbed to natural color), and that is revolving planet images: Mars, Mercury, Venus, etc. Just nice animated gifs, nice full screen ones. Aside from that 3-d "flight simulators" of planetary surfaces at the highest resolution possible would be nice.

And a nice reprocessed Apollo 11 landing video would be welcome as well.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      

From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 11:47:05 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:47:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] ALBIN, Wy MICRO on ebay
Message-ID: <689145.22869.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

i broke this off the bigger piece for those of you who don't have and want it cheap: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290266387105 


      

From bobl at peaktopeak.com  Wed Oct  8 12:01:46 2008
From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:01:46 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stunning shot of Mercury
In-Reply-To: <391519.77795.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20081008160206.C01D910577@mailwash5.pair.com>

Does anyone know if NASA or someone else is comparing the Mercury images
frame by frame with the old images we have of it from the Mariner missions?
That way we could see if there are any new craters in those 30 or so years.
Or are they photographing different areas than in the past?

Regards,

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of E.P.
Grondine
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:37 AM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stunning shot of Mercury

Hi Sterling - 

You know, its strange, but whenever there's dark rayed craters it always has
to be "surface area exposed".  No wonder as to why. 

It might be nice to know what hits and when, and if our planetary probes had
retrieving that data as one of their highest priorities. It might be nice to
get some really good accretion models for our solar system, in particular to
refine the numbers for the impact hazard here on Earth. 

There's something else I'd like besides an mpeg composed of all of the
images of the fragments of SL9 hitting Jupiter (preferably all dubbed to
natural color), and that is revolving planet images: Mars, Mercury, Venus,
etc. Just nice animated gifs, nice full screen ones. Aside from that 3-d
"flight simulators" of planetary surfaces at the highest resolution possible
would be nice.

And a nice reprocessed Apollo 11 landing video would be welcome as well.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      
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From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 12:12:24 2008
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:12:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 27 gram ALBIN, WY on ebay
Message-ID: <227045.45742.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

here it is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290266392762 


      

From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Wed Oct  8 13:39:56 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:39:56 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Special  6 historic AUBRITES:  Bustee, Pesyanoe,
	Shallowater....WINNONAITES: Fortuna & Tierra Blanca and an Efremovka
Message-ID: <001001c9296c$e1b03c80$0bb2a8c0@name86d88d87e2>

Dear list-members,

our today's Special deals with names, which need no explanations and which
let the collector's mouth water!   
We say:  Bustee, Shallowater, Mayo Bewla, Khor Temiki, Pena Blanca Springs,
Pensyanoe! We say: Fortuna and Tierra Blanca, and we say: Efremovka.

For those, getting fluttered by these names, Here's already the beef:
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/special-aubrites.html


Aubrites are an exotic and important type, seen the number of individual
finds&falls they are by far more rare than rocks from Moon or Mars.
A dozen finds from Antartica, one non-desert find and additionally Mount
Egerton, which changes its habit every few decades from mesosiderite to
aubrite forth and back, and funny and remarkable enough - 8 observed falls!

However the hot deserts so far were flinty and spat out only one, maybe two
true aubrites.
(we had it here in the discussion about El Haggouina, reclassified as an EL
- the Bulletins still have to be revised, also regarding the numbers in the
wake of El Hagg).

And that's all.
Most of us do own a specimen of the big piece of luck, the mighty Norton
County as aubritic reference in our collection, certainly a Pena Blanca
Springs too, but beyond these locales, the air becomes quickly thinner.
Cumberland Falls is still relatively readily available and here and there
Bishopville - but then?

Then the collector sometimes has to wait for years to find specimens of the
other falls, which are affordable or which are available at all.

In that respect our Special is certainly remarkable, cause today we offer 6
out of the 10 classic and historical Aubrites!

Here the data:

BUSTEE
Uttar Pradesh, India
Fall 1852, December 2
Tkw 1.5kg
(has a little crust!)


KHOR TEMIKI
Ash Sharqiyah, Sudan
Fall 1932, April 8
Tkw 3.2kg


PESYANOE
Kurgan, Russia
Fall 1933, October 2
Tkw 3.39kg
(also a little crust)


SHALLOWATER
Texas, USA
Find 1936
Tkw 4.65kg


PENA BLANCA SPRING
Texas, USA
Fall 1946, August 2
Tkw 70kg


MAYO BELWA
Adamawa, Nigeria
Fall 1974, August 3
Tkw 4.85kg
(thin slice)


And as if that wouldn't be enough - in one go, two no less scarce
delicacies!

Winonaites are even rare than Aubrites!
19 numbers and names lists the Bulletin Database (pairings not deducted).
In fact they all together count in with a mere 3.5kg plus the famous stone
of Winona of 24kgs.
Here now two of the other 4 Winonaites with names!


TIERRA BLANCA
Texas, USA
Find 1965
Tkw 0.86kg


FORTUNA
San Luis, Argentina
Find 1998
Tkw 0.312kg


Let us perfect the Special for today with a specimen of the famous
Efremovka, from the reduced subgroup of the CVs, known for its Dark
Inclusions and recently refined to a CV3.4-3.6

EFREMOVKA
Pavlodar, Kazakhstan
Find 1962
Tkw 21kg


http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/special-aubrites.html


There. I think with our offer we found a very attractive balance between a
meaningful size and an affordable price (feel free to compare, you'll be
astonished) - so that also the smaller collectors are able to participate in
these much sought-after important meteorites and rare types.

Economically seen a more speck-tral vending would be indicated, seen the
enormous results of the recent months for such rare names.
But we prefer to let them as they are.


Enjoy!

Martin & Stefan

Chladni's Heirs
Munich - Berlin
Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors
 










 



From mark at meteorites.cc  Wed Oct  8 14:18:32 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:18:32 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Graphical Impact Calculator
Message-ID: <48ECF978.4020906@meteorites.cc>

Saw this posted on a UK astro site, it's quite neat:

http://down2earth.eu/impact_calculator/

M

-- 
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Oct  8 16:14:01 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:14:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 8, 2008
Message-ID: <200810082014.NAA12196@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
October 8, 2008

o Stratigraphy Exposed in Ius Chasma
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007430_1725

o Eroded Sediments in West Candor Chasma 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009460_1745

o Double Impact Crater 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009619_1630

o Saltating Gypsum into Dark Polar Dunes
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009656_2780


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 18:36:45 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:36:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite report
Message-ID: <393875.26314.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone - 

Did anyone ever hunt this one? (Be sure to read to the end of the piece):

http://www.theufochronicles.com/2005/10/1865-trapper-reports-witnessing-crash.html

Any recoveries?

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Oct  8 21:36:15 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:36:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Lander Digs and Analyzes Soil as Darkness
	Gathers
Message-ID: <200810090136.SAA24971@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-188a

Phoenix Lander Digs and Analyzes Soil as Darkness Gathers
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
October 08, 2008

PASADENA, Calif. -- As fall approaches Mars' northern plains, NASA's
Phoenix Lander is busy digging into the Red Planet's soil and scooping
it into its onboard science laboratories for analysis.

Over the past two weeks, Phoenix's nearly 2.4-meter-long (8 feet) arm
moved a rock, nicknamed "Headless," about 0.4 meters (16 inches), and
snapped an image of the rock with its camera. Then, the robotic arm
scraped the soil underneath the rock and delivered a few teaspoonfuls of
soil onto the lander's optical and atomic-force microscopes. These
microscopes are part of Phoenix's Microscopy, Electrochemistry and
Conductivity Analyzer (MECA).

Scientists are conducting preliminary analysis of this soil, nicknamed
"Galloping Hessian." The soil piqued their interest because it may
contain a high concentration of salts, said Diana Blaney, a scientist on
the Phoenix mission with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

As water evaporates in arctic and arid environments on Earth, it leaves
behind salt, which can be found under or around rocks, Blaney said.
"That's why we wanted to look under 'Headless,' to see if there's a
higher concentration of salts there."

More digging is underway. Phoenix scientists want to analyze a hard, icy
layer beneath the Martian soil surface, and excavating to that icy layer
underneath a rock might give scientists clues about processes affecting
the ice.

So the robotic arm has dug into a trench called "La Mancha," in part to
see how deep the Martian ice table is. The Phoenix team also plans to
dig a trench laterally across some of the existing trenches in hopes of
revealing a cross section, or profile, of the soil's icy layer.

"We'd like to see how the ice table varies around the workspace with the
different topography and varying surface characteristics such as
different rocks and soils," said Phoenix co-investigator Mike Mellon of
the University of Colorado, Boulder. "We hope to learn more about how
the ice depth is controlled by physical processes, and by looking at how
the ice depth varies, we can pin down how it got there."

Over the weekend, on the 128th Martian day, or sol, Phoenix engineers
successfully directed the robotic arm to dig in a trench called "Snow
White" in the eastern portion of the lander's digging area. The robotic
arm then delivered the material to an oven screen on Phoenix's Thermal
and Evolved-Gas Analyzer.

The Phoenix team will try to shake the oven screen so the soil can break
into smaller lumps and fall through for analysis.

The Phoenix lander, originally planned for a three-month mission on
Mars, is now in its fifth month. As fall approaches, the lander's
weather instruments detect diffuse clouds above northern Mars, and
temperatures are getting colder as the daylight hours wane.

Consequently, Phoenix faces an increasing drop in solar energy as the
sun falls below the Martian horizon. Mission engineers and scientists
expect this power decline to curtail activities in the coming weeks. As
darkness deepens, Phoenix will primarily become a weather station and
will likely cease all activity by the end of the year.

The Phoenix mission is led by Principal Investigator Peter Smith at the
University of Arizona. Project management is the responsibility of JPL,
with development partnership by Lockheed Martin in Denver. International
contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of
Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus,
Denmark; the Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish
Meteorological Institute.

More information about Phoenix is at: www.nasa.gov/phoenix
<http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix> .

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Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726, Dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov
NASA Headquarters, Washington


From mfcollecter at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 22:10:46 2008
From: mfcollecter at yahoo.com (Said Haddany)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:10:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:Fresh unclassified chondrites for sale
Message-ID: <180641.77110.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


To whom are interested in Fresh Unclassified Chondrites i want to offer some good pieces ..Photos and pricing on request 
Regards
? Said Haddany


      

From pshugar at clearwire.net  Thu Oct  9 00:06:36 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:06:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A point of contention/question
Message-ID: <4AD71A9BBD644CFAB0EFF757F516ADFE@portable>

On  the one hand, there are rather stunning photos of a
very cratered Mercury and on the other side of us a very
pock-marked Mars. Both look like you couldn't even walk
a hundred feet in any direction without stepping in another crater.

1
 If they are so cratered from "meteorites" (was there an atmosphere?)
that they are everywhere, Would not the earth look the same-
excluding the drifting contental plates? I know there is a meteorite
for every wide spot in the road in West Texas. (I'm trying to
collect every one of them.)
2
 It would seem to me that almost anywhere that you wanted to go,
you could conceivably find a meteorite.
3
 Is the movement of the plates what keeps the earth's landscape
from looking like Mars or Mercury?
4
All the craters on earth are huge (the smallest that I know is Odessa
at a mere 550 feet). Actually there are 5 craters, making it a rather
complex system with the smallest at just over 22 feet, but it is a very 
young
crater at ~50,000 years old about as old as is Canyon Diablo.
This excludes Carancus as I'm not convinced it is
a true crater.
Is there any evidence of micro sized craters? Maybe something on the
order of only 50 feet to maybe 100 feet across that is truly old?
Pete



From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  9 00:45:27 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:45:27 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: INTERSTELLAR DIPLOMACY
Message-ID: <015501c929c9$db03e280$264de146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, List,


Ok, a little Off Topic, but a fascinating
story just the same.

First, an extra-terrestrial planet, a Super Earth,
is discovered near-by, only 19.9 light years away:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9796321

Gliese 581c, was discovered 4 April, 2007,
and announced 24 April 2007:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliese_581_c

It's an very interesting place:
http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=1200

It becomes the target of SETI dishes listening
for messages from the inhabitants or just to
capture their cable TV for free:
http://notes.kateva.org/2007/04/now-aiming-seti-dishes-at-gliese-581.html

Now, a social networking company, Bebo,
has set up a project to collect 500 messages
from Earth children and beam them to Gliese
581c, a new kind of FaceBook (which assumes
the Gliesians HAVE faces):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jul/29/bebo.digitalmedia?gusrc=rss&feed=media

Gives a whole new meaning to My Space,
doesn't it?

They say:
    "Conceived by Oli Madgett of RDF Digital,
a subsidiary of Wife Swap... the project claims
to be the first to democratically selected content
to be transmitted into space. Users can post entries
and vote for the best ones on a dedicated Bebo
page. The winning 500 will be sent into space.
The vote runs from August 4 until September 30.
The digital time capsule with the 500 selected
messages will be transmitted on October 9.
RDF is covering the ?20,000 data cost of the
four-and-a-half-hour transmission from the
National Space Agency in Ukraine, sending
the messages on the 120 trillion-mile journey
to Gliese 581c.

According to the BBC, the messages have been
sent tonight. Answers can be expected in about
40 years.


Sterling K. Webb


From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  9 03:26:25 2008
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 02:26:25 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <BAY113-W9C8FB6B0D68A52CC0CE0BA23A0@phx.gbl>



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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Thu Oct  9 07:39:26 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 04:39:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] A point of contention/question
In-Reply-To: <4AD71A9BBD644CFAB0EFF757F516ADFE@portable>
References: <4AD71A9BBD644CFAB0EFF757F516ADFE@portable>
Message-ID: <49392.71.226.60.25.1223552366.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hello Pete:

Yes, the Earth shoulc look like Mars or Mercury (or the Moon for that
matter).

However, you are on the right track.

I am sure that Sterling will respond with more detailed comments, but here
are a few of the things that affect what we see:

1. Atmosphere: as in the case of the recent impact on Earth (2008 TC3)
"small" things do not make it to the surface.

2. Atmosphere (wind and water): weathering will wear away, fill in
craters. Just look at what it does to mountain ranges over millions of
years.

3. Plate tectonics: very few old surfaces on the Earth. Lava could cover
the craters, plates move and land goes away or is messed up when plates
meet, etc.

4. An object could land in the water, never to be "seen."

I am sure there are other things, but this is a good start on why the
Earth does not look like the other terrestrial planets or the Moon (Venus
being much closer to Earth thanks to its atmosphere and having been
resurfaced).

Larry


On Wed, October 8, 2008 9:06 pm, Pete Shugar wrote:
> On  the one hand, there are rather stunning photos of a
> very cratered Mercury and on the other side of us a very pock-marked Mars.
> Both look like you couldn't even walk
> a hundred feet in any direction without stepping in another crater.
>
> 1
> If they are so cratered from "meteorites" (was there an atmosphere?)
> that they are everywhere, Would not the earth look the same- excluding the
> drifting contental plates? I know there is a meteorite for every wide spot
> in the road in West Texas. (I'm trying to collect every one of them.) 2
> It would seem to me that almost anywhere that you wanted to go,
> you could conceivably find a meteorite. 3
> Is the movement of the plates what keeps the earth's landscape
> from looking like Mars or Mercury? 4
> All the craters on earth are huge (the smallest that I know is Odessa
> at a mere 550 feet). Actually there are 5 craters, making it a rather
> complex system with the smallest at just over 22 feet, but it is a very
> young crater at ~50,000 years old about as old as is Canyon Diablo. This
> excludes Carancus as I'm not convinced it is a true crater. Is there any
> evidence of micro sized craters? Maybe something on the order of only 50
> feet to maybe 100 feet across that is truly old? Pete
>
>
>
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From nwa482 at comcast.net  Thu Oct  9 08:01:27 2008
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:01:27 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending tonight
Message-ID: <F0C23195A660493397A997E11BA0D37D@DJQVK441>

Good Morning List Members........

I have auctions ending tonight, eBay ID catchafallingstar.com.  All auctions 
started at 99 Cents.

In addition I have listed some Fixed Price listings of individual specimens 
as well as some dealer lots.

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=catchafallingstar.com

Full recap with photos on Paul and Jim's website:
http://www.meteorite.com/meteorites/ebay/catch_a_falling_star_meteorites.htm

Thanks for looking ................

Jim Strope
http://www.catchafallingstar.com



From mikewren at gilanet.com  Thu Oct  9 14:04:58 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:04:58 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Highlights of My Best Auction Run of The Year,
	So far! Rare, Big, Last Specimens!
Message-ID: <20081009180507.829CF105A2@mailwash5.pair.com>



________________________________________
From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:04 PM
To: 'michael cottingham'
Subject: AD: Highlights of My Best Auction Run of The Year, So far! Rare,
Big, Last Specimens!


Hello,

Here are some, but there are many, many more!

See all here:

MAIN STORE LINK:
http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store?



HIGHLIGHTS:? Many are my last specimens to offer!

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 262g, An Amazing Complete Slice! Check
This One Out!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261429335

Super Rare SOCIAL CIRCLE, Georgia, IVA Iron, Only Specimen I have!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261666723

Super Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 13.29g, This is the $65.00 per gram
material!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261663961

A Classic, OZONA, Texas, H6 Chondrite, 32.88g, A nice large specimen
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261647540

Beautiful MORASKO, Poland, IAB, 208 gram, This is an amazing Complete Slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261644846

Super Rare HAMLET, Indiana, LL4 Fall, 0.42 g, I believe this is my last one!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261646041

BRENHAM, Siderite From Kansas, 70.97 gram, A beautiful large slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261601251

Super Rare GEORGETOWN, Australia, 12.68 gram, A great slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261409358

Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 234 gram, A Nice LARGE Slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261381789

Rare Fall From Sudan, KIDAIRAT, H4, 0.34 g, Only piece I have to sell!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261581393

Super Rare CASTALIA, North Carolina Fall .07g, Last Specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261580359

(NEW) STEINS, New Mexico, L/LL4, 0.52 gram, down to my last piece.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261578903

Rare GLORIETA MOUNTAIN, Top Slice, 4.80g, Really Cool Slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261560659

Extremely Rare CLARK COUNTY,Kentucky,IIIF 5g, ONLY One I have and really
rare!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261428884

(NEW) An Amazing LL5, NWA 2380, 24.67 gram, A cool meteorite and I am almost
out!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261420916

Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 5.89g, A great slice and started at
0.99 cents!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261417565

(NEW), Really Nice, NWA 4977, L6, 11.55 gram, My Last specimen to offer!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261416578

Very Rare L6 From KYLE, Texas, 1.88 gram, Only Piece To Offer!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261415996

Seldom Available TRYON, Nebraska, 2.51 gram, A Nice Specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261414804

Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 2.30g, Getting down to my last ones!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261408575

(NEW), LA LUZ, New Mexico, H4, LTKW, 13.61g, Not much left!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261384341

A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 180g, A really lovely slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261383696

Classic GOLD BASIN, Arizona, L4, 59.91 gram, A nice half individual!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261382763

CANYON DIABLO Individual, 386 gram, A great shaped large individual!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261380471

LTKW, SACRAMENTO WASH 002, Az., H4, 8.32 g, Last large slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261379284

(NEW), NWA 4952, L/LL4-5, Brecciated, 48.44g, Nice Slice.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261378644

(New) NWA 4881, Lunar Feldspathic Specimen, Nice addition to any collection!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261377792

(New) Martian Shergottite, NWA 4925, "Mars", Running Low on these!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261377237

Also check these out:

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 510g, This is a special sale!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261059105

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 2130g, Cheap and a beautiful piece!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261045919


Thanks & Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham




























From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  9 18:49:16 2008
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:49:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: NWA SALE
In-Reply-To: <20081009180507.829CF105A2@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <440049.7692.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I havent been making many sales lately (Partly because I am busy with the new shop and partly because it is much harder to buy meteorites nowadays with far fewer meteorites being found in the Sahara) but I have put together a sale of some nice meteorites here. 
http://www.meteoriteshop.com/meteoritesale/wsale21.html
This will be linking this sale to my website soon but today list members can take a 20% discount on anything of interest.
See my ebay auctions also. My user id is AMUNRE and if you see anything of interest let me know and I can usually go down in price a little.
Sincerely
DEAN BESSEY
http://www.meteoriteshop.com/meteoritesale/wsale21.html 


      

From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  9 18:52:10 2008
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:52:10 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Please delete test
Message-ID: <COL108-W29E87DF796A6A94ED6FE99B3A0@phx.gbl>


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From wahlperry at aol.com  Thu Oct  9 19:29:50 2008
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:29:50 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale Add  USA' s  R Chondrite, 449 gram Franconia,
	Possible trade
Message-ID: <8CAF87E0F8B7781-99C-B4F@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com>

Hi All,

I have 2 pieces of Blue Eagle R 3-6 Chondrite for sale. 1- 1.5 gram 
fragment , 1 - 5.1 gram piece .Email off list for pictures and price 
per gram.

1- 449 gram Franconia complete stone . $ 1.25 per gram Link 
http://www.nevadameteorites.com/id5.htm

Thanks,
Sonny

www.NevadaMeteorites.com
  

From Impactika at aol.com  Thu Oct  9 22:46:03 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:46:03 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD- New Thin-Sections and pictures
Message-ID: <cdd.3d226c14.36201beb@aol.com>

Hello Everybody,
 
If I woke up anyone I am sorry.
This is really for the collectors of thin-sections, or anyone who likes 
amazing pictures.
I just added a bunch of new thin-sections to my website, and I added an even 
greater bunch of beautiful pictures (Thank you, John Kashuba).

Go take a look:       _http://www.impactika.com/TSlist.htm_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/TSlist.htm) 
 
Don't miss the Ahumada or the Tafassasset!
And tell me what you think of those.
Thanks.


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From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  9 22:50:12 2008
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:50:12 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: INTERSTELLAR DIPLOMACY and Hello
Message-ID: <COL108-W6639D742F1435C6EF718309B350@phx.gbl>



Hello Sterling and list,

I find this a bit humorous and dangerous at the same time:

Sterling wrote:
"Now, a social networking company, Bebo,
has set up a project to collect 500 messages
from Earth children and beam them to Gliese
581c, a new kind of FaceBook (which assumes
the Gliesians HAVE faces)..."

Gliese i581c is a planet that may be 5 times the mass of Earth. If there are intelligent inhabitants, wouldn't they be like incredibly strong on Earth? A race of Hulks come to mind. Sending them 500 voices of little children sounds like inviting a lot of trouble. I don't think it would be a bad thing if they don't pay a visit.:-)

OK, I just want to to say "Hello" to everyone on this list. I'm a newbie and I've already met some of you thru meteorite sales. Since starting this hobby, I've been scouring roadways for any fallen meteorites. So far the only thing that looked like meteorites I've found is road tar. Carl

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From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Oct 10 00:41:47 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:41:47 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: INTERSTELLAR DIPLOMACY and Hello
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W6639D742F1435C6EF718309B350@phx.gbl>
References: <COL108-W6639D742F1435C6EF718309B350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7mmte4h9l52s9ekvdrkv53cckmgab4ajne@4ax.com>

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:50:12 -0700, you wrote:

>Gliese i581c is a planet that may be 5 times the mass of Earth. 
>If there are intelligent inhabitants, wouldn't they be like incredibly 
>strong on Earth? A race of Hulks come to mind. Sending them 
>500 voices of little children sounds like inviting a lot of trouble. 
>I don't think it would be a bad thing if they don't pay a visit.:-)

I was thinking of some of the mechanical problems related to life on
higher-gravity worlds-- thought up a few points, but then decided, why reinvent
the wheel?  I'll google up some good stuff:

http://www.sciforums.com/Has-anyone-thought-about-creatures-would-be-on-high-gravity-planets-t-24869.html

a short mention here:

http://www.molvray.com/sf/exobio/astron.htm

and 4 points here (not all of which I agree with)

http://io9.com/325109/four-theories-about-creatures-from-high+gravity-worlds

From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Fri Oct 10 07:37:31 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:37:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: INTERSTELLAR DIPLOMACY and Hello
In-Reply-To: <7mmte4h9l52s9ekvdrkv53cckmgab4ajne@4ax.com>
References: <COL108-W6639D742F1435C6EF718309B350@phx.gbl>
	<7mmte4h9l52s9ekvdrkv53cckmgab4ajne@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <51144.71.226.60.25.1223638651.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi all:

The mass of Gliese 581c was determined by its gravitational pull on its
star. This was how it was detected. So, the mass is known. The next thing
to do is to guess its composition. If it is made of Earth-like rock, then
its radius is the cube root of the mass (mass goes as radius cubed), so
1.5 times the radius of the Earth. If you do the calculation, the gravity
would also be 1.5 times Earth (not too bad). If it is an icy world (not
sure if this makes sense given its distance from the star), then the
planet has to be bigger for the same mass and the surface gravity drops to
maybe only 1.2 or 1.3 times that of Earth.


This is the kind of thing I do with my students for gravity on other
worlds. Assuming that a planet is made up of about the same stuff: double
the radius, the mass is eight times as much (volume and mass are
prooportional to the radius cubed). However, since you are on the surface,
you are twice as far from the center of mass. Gravitational pull goes as
1/radius squared, so decreases the pull by 4 times. So 1/4 times 8 = 2
times gravity for two times radius (gravity is proportional to the radius
for objects made of the same material).

Larry

On Thu, October 9, 2008 9:41 pm, Darren Garrison wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:50:12 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>> Gliese i581c is a planet that may be 5 times the mass of Earth.
>> If there are intelligent inhabitants, wouldn't they be like incredibly
>> strong on Earth? A race of Hulks come to mind. Sending them 500 voices of
>> little children sounds like inviting a lot of trouble. I don't think it
>> would be a bad thing if they don't pay a visit.:-)
>
> I was thinking of some of the mechanical problems related to life on
> higher-gravity worlds-- thought up a few points, but then decided, why
> reinvent the wheel?  I'll google up some good stuff:
>
> http://www.sciforums.com/Has-anyone-thought-about-creatures-would-be-on-h
> igh-gravity-planets-t-24869.html
>
> a short mention here:
>
> http://www.molvray.com/sf/exobio/astron.htm
>
>
> and 4 points here (not all of which I agree with)
>
> http://io9.com/325109/four-theories-about-creatures-from-high+gravity-wor
> lds ______________________________________________
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 10 09:26:40 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:26:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 20 different meteorites forsale
Message-ID: <215909.66051.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.I am having a meteorite sale.I am putting up20 very nice meteorites forsale or trade,prefferably sale.I have various small gao's
25 to 4 grams that are oriented
nwa 787 575 grams stone individual $300
nwa 1941  367 grams endcut $300
Sikote-alin  341 grams  $300
various nice unclassidied whole stones ranging from 36 to 385 grams
bassikounou Quarter cut  81.1 grams  $140

Prices and sizes on the unclassifieds upon request.Shipping on my anywhere.I need to raise cash and turning my collection priorities in a new direction.Plese these prices are firm.Offlist please.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Fri Oct 10 10:23:27 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 10 Oct 2008 14:23:27 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Jim Kriegh
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000A500003467@paulinet.de>

Hello Meteorite Community,

One year ago, Jim Kriegh, Oro Valley's heart and soul, died at the age of 78.
Saturday, December 02, 2006, Jim wrote me this: " I expect to be able to go
occasionally searching for more meteorites and/or gold but not near as often
as I would like."

I am very confident that Jim is now much closer to these messengers from the
heavens that we all love and cherish so much. Maybe he's watching us from
his little asteroid that bears his name: 149244 Kriegh.

This little asteroid is a member of the so-called Flora family of inner main 
belt asteroids (S-type asteroids) and it is an excellent decision to dedicate
this one to Jim because the Floras are thought to be members of the parent
bodies of the L chondrites, ... Gold Basin is, as we all know. an L-chondrite!

Jim, you may be gone,
but you are not forgotten!

Bernd


From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Oct 10 10:52:36 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:52:36 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] For those who like meteorites with weird names
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W6639D742F1435C6EF718309B350@phx.gbl>
References: <COL108-W6639D742F1435C6EF718309B350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4vque4dcqagjpc1uktd6tnbu6kilujv7r3@4ax.com>

Wouldn't Kalamazoo be a great one?

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9156541

Meteor, or something, spotted in sky

Posted: Oct 9, 2008 11:17 PM

Updated: Oct 9, 2008 11:50 PM 

SAUGATUCK, Mich. (WOOD) -- 24 Hour News 8 received many e-mails Thursday night
about something falling from the sky.

Viewers from Kalamazoo to Allegan County to Cedar Springs reported seeing
something that looked like a shooting star with an "orangish tail."

Dave Swanson, who works in the control tower at the Kalamazoo-Battle Creek
International Airport, told 24 Hour News 8 that at 9:17 p.m. he saw a "meteoroid
in the NW sky traking NNE. Duration of less than 2 seconds, but brilliant when
it was lit."

Police scanners revealed Allegan County authorities dispatched some crews to
check it out after receiving phone calls in the Saugatuck area. There were
initial reports of a possible plane down. Authorities were called back after a
brief search.

Storm Team 8 Meteorologist Bill Steffen also received phone calls and e-mails
from across West Michigan. He said it was likely a meteor. Plus, since we don't
know that any fragments made it to the ground, what was spotted should be called
a meteor.

According to NASA, a meteor is a bright streak of light that appears briefly in
the sky. Observers often call meteors shooting stars or falling stars because
they look like stars falling from the sky....Meteorites reach the earth's
surface because they are the right size to travel through the atmosphere. If
they are too small, they will disintegrate in the atmosphere. If they are too
large, they may explode before reaching the earth's surface.

Those at WGN-TV in Chicago told 24 Hour News 8 they, too, have received calls of
something in the sky.

If you saw anything, please e-mail the 24 Hour News 8 newsroom at
newsroom at woodtv.com.


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 10 14:08:23 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:08:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA's Mars Odyssey Shifting Orbit for Extended
	Mission
Message-ID: <200810101808.LAA26785@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-191

NASA's Mars Odyssey Shifting Orbit for Extended Mission
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
October 09, 2008

PASADENA, Calif. -- The longest-serving of six spacecraft now studying
Mars is up to new tricks for a third two-year extension of its mission
to examine the most Earthlike of known foreign planets.

NASA's Mars Odyssey is altering its orbit to gain even better
sensitivity for its infrared mapping of Martian minerals. During the
mission extension through September 2010, it will also point its camera
with more flexibility than it has ever used before. Odyssey reached Mars
in 2001.

The orbit adjustment will allow Odyssey's Thermal Emission Imaging
System to look down at sites when it's mid-afternoon, rather than late
afternoon. The multipurpose camera will take advantage of the infrared
radiation emitted by the warmer rocks to provide clues to the rocks'
identities.

"This will allow us to do much more sensitive detection and mapping of
minerals," said Odyssey Project Scientist Jeffrey Plaut of NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

The mission's orbit design before now used a compromise between what
works best for the Thermal Emission Imaging System and what works best
for another instrument, the Gamma Ray Spectrometer.

On commands from its operations team at JPL and at Denver-based Lockheed
Martin Space Systems, Odyssey fired thrusters for nearly 6 minutes on
Sept. 30, the final day of the mission's second two-year extension.

"This was our biggest maneuver since 2002, and it went well," said JPL's
Gaylon McSmith, Odyssey mission manager. "The spacecraft is in good
health. The propellant supply is adequate for operating through at least
2015."

Odyssey's orbit is synchronized with the sun. The local solar time has
been about 5 p.m. at whatever spot on Mars Odyssey flew over as it made
its dozen daily passes from between the north pole region to the south
pole region for the past five years. (Likewise, the local time has been
about 5 a.m. under the track of the spacecraft during the south-to-north
leg of each orbit.)

The push imparted by the Sept. 30 maneuver will gradually change that
synchronization over the next year or so. Its effect is that the time of
day on the ground when Odyssey is overhead is now getting earlier by
about 20 seconds per day. A follow-up maneuver, probably in late 2009
when the overpass time is between 2:30 and 3:00 p.m., will end the
progression toward earlier times.

While aiding performance of the Thermal Emission Imaging System, the
shift to mid-afternoon is expected to stop the use of one of three
instruments in Odyssey's Gamma Ray Spectrometer suite. The suite's gamma
ray detector needs a later-hour orbit to avoid overheating of a critical
component. The suite's neutron spectrometer and high-energy neutron
detector are expected to keep operating.

The Gamma Ray Spectrometer provided dramatic discoveries of water-ice
near the surface throughout much of high-latitude Mars, the impetus for
NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander mission. The gamma ray detector has also
mapped global distribution of many elements, such as iron, silicon and
potassium, a high science priority for the first and second extensions
of the Odyssey mission. A panel of planetary scientists assembled by
NASA recommended this year that Odyssey make the orbit adjustment to get
the best science return from the mission in coming years.

Increased sensitivity for identifying surface minerals is a key science
goal for the mission extension beginning this month. Also, the Odyssey
team plans to begin occasionally aiming the camera away from the
straight-down pointing that has been used throughout the mission. This
will allow the team to fill in some gaps in earlier mapping and also
create some stereo, three-dimensional imaging.

Odyssey will continue providing crucial support for Mars surface
missions as well as conducting its own investigations. It has relayed to
Earth nearly all data returned from NASA rovers Spirit and Opportunity.
It shares with NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter the relay role for
Phoenix. It has made targeted observations for evaluating candidate
landing sites.

Mars Odyssey, launched in 2001, is managed by JPL, a division of the
California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, for NASA's Science Mission
Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the
prime contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. Investigators
at Arizona State University, Tempe, operate the Thermal Emission Imaging
System. Investigators at the University of Arizona, Tucson, head
operation of the Gamma Ray Spectrometer. Additional science partners are
located at the Russian Aviation and Space Agency, which provided the
high-energy neutron detector, and at Los Alamos National Laboratories,
New Mexico, which provided the neutron spectrometer.

For more about the Mars Odyssey mission, visit:
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey .

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726
Headquarters, Washington
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov

2008-191


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 10 14:22:28 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:22:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 6-10, 2008
Message-ID: <200810101822.LAA29445@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
October 6-10, 2008

o Yardangs (Released 06 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081006a

o Polar Dunes (Released 07 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081007a

o Collapse Features (Released 08 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081008a

o Surface Texture (Released 09 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081009a

o Dunes (Released 10 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081010a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From jkgwilliam at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 15:26:48 2008
From: jkgwilliam at gmail.com (John Gwilliam)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:26:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites with
	over 60 autographs
Message-ID: <87bccee0810101226m4c5d6b17s20ff4b0160ccab0d@mail.gmail.com>

Hello List Members,
I'm offering a very unique one-of-a-kind book for sale.  It's an
autographed copy of "The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites. What
makes it very collectable and unique is that in addition to the
autographes of the author and the cover artist, there are over 60
additional autographs on the last page and the inside back cover.
These signatures were collected from some of the members of our
meteorite community who were attending the 2005 Tucson Show.


For more details on this offer, please vist the website link below.  I
will reply to serious inquiries at either this email address or my
regular email address  ( jkg2 at cox.net ) listed on the bottom of the
webpage.


<http://www.meteoriteimpact.com/autographedbook.htm>

Best Regards and have a good weekend,

John Gwilliam

From mlblood at cox.net  Fri Oct 10 15:56:08 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:56:08 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] 20 different meteorites forsale
In-Reply-To: <215909.66051.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C5150168.1ABD0%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Steve,
        You have made this announcement every day for 4 days
Strait. To how many more days of this do we have to look foreword?
        Michael

on 10/10/08 6:26 AM, steve arnold at stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com wrote:

> Good morning list.I am having a meteorite sale.I am putting up20 very nice
> meteorites forsale or trade,prefferably sale.I have various small gao's
> 25 to 4 grams that are oriented
> nwa 787 575 grams stone individual $300
> nwa 1941  367 grams endcut $300
> Sikote-alin  341 grams  $300
> various nice unclassidied whole stones ranging from 36 to 385 grams
> bassikounou Quarter cut  81.1 grams  $140
> 
> Prices and sizes on the unclassifieds upon request.Shipping on my anywhere.I
> need to raise cash and turning my collection priorities in a new
> direction.Plese these prices are firm.Offlist please.
> 
> Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
> 
> 
>       
> ______________________________________________
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Totally Green by Twenty Eighteen!

Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail Out"):
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm








From marcin at polandmet.com  Fri Oct 10 18:05:51 2008
From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:05:51 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] update of Gao-Guenie website AD
References: <48ECF978.4020906@meteorites.cc>
Message-ID: <000c01c92b24$5c554940$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

Hello List
I have new specimens of Gao.

Few complete meteorites in size from 50g to 1kg
Two nice oriented specimens, include one with natural hole !!!!

Anyone interested in lot of small Gao peas also can contact me.
Its really hard now to obtain anything larger than 100g, so my new Gao's are 
not the another of 1001 specimens.

visit http://www.GAO-GUENIE.com

-----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)meteorite.pl
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
--------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------


From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Oct 10 23:30:11 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:30:11 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Free books
In-Reply-To: <4vque4dcqagjpc1uktd6tnbu6kilujv7r3@4ax.com>
References: <COL108-W6639D742F1435C6EF718309B350@phx.gbl>
	<4vque4dcqagjpc1uktd6tnbu6kilujv7r3@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <3c70f45v63ijjiqk245vpqlv7osd9bl1qc@4ax.com>

http://www.bookyards.com/search_results.html?type=books&category_id=201

From mlblood at cox.net  Sat Oct 11 06:27:21 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:27:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD
In-Reply-To: <87bccee0810101226m4c5d6b17s20ff4b0160ccab0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C515CD99.1AC0A%mlblood@cox.net>

OK, guys, (and gals)
        I am going to return the last 2 specimens of
Mali / Chergach, so, one last chance at $1.75/g.
        You will never see it this cheap again. Two
nice specimens left - 7 photos from various angles at:

http://community.webshots.com/album/567174250

Totals are:
708g = $1,279-
338g = $591.50
        Best wishes, Michael




Totally Green by Twenty Eighteen!

Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail Out"):
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm








From m_graul at yahoo.de  Sat Oct 11 09:30:11 2008
From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:30:11 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: nice large Seymchan full slice ending today on
	ebay
Message-ID: <851951.8872.qm@web26308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello List,

my nice large full slice ending on ebay today.
In moment the price are very low for this beauty.
Here is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-SEYMCHAN-nice-large-etched-full-slice-770g_W0QQitemZ250304189325QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250304189325&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1308&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Many thanks for your interest,

Mirko

Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) 

Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de


      

From valparint at aol.com  Sat Oct 11 10:55:36 2008
From: valparint at aol.com (valparint at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:55:36 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bolide over OK and TX
Message-ID: <F0PBX61KPl5GDrPixj600000493@f0pbx61.vpoffsiteweb.local>

Check out the picture for 10/11/08 at

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

After today, it can be accessed via the 'archive' link at the bottom of 
the page.

Paul Swartz 


From bristolia at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 11 22:51:56 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:51:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid blast may have thwarted life on Mars
Message-ID: <507845.67505.qm@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Asteroid blast may have thwarted life on Mars
The Times, by Jonathan Leake, October 5, 2008

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4882708.ece

Yours,

Paul H.


      

From mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com  Sat Oct 11 23:16:31 2008
From: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com (mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:16:31 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Incredible LL3.3, CK4
Message-ID: <20081011201631.c1xh9r7bshwksgc0@webmail.mhmeteorites.com>

Hi All:
Hope everyone is having a nice Saturday evening.
With the lousy, rainy and cold weather in Denver, I have been updating
my catalog. This means digging out the classified specimens, prepping
them, photographing them, and adding them to the web site. If I have
time, you may see more this weekend.

Please do have a look, at least, at NWA 4216...an incredible LL3.3  
reminiscent of Ragland or Wells but at a fraction of the price. It  
also has fresh, black fusion crust.
Here is one of the slices:
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/nwa4216_38.jpg

Other slices are listed for sale, all at only $10/gram.

Also added is the very fresh CK4 (NWA 4657 at $15/g), and an L5 (NWA  
5027).  NWA 5027 has been in my collection for about a year. I sold  
the other half to a well-known dealer for about the same price offered  
here, so you will be getting a pretty good deal. It is reminiscent of  
Ghubara.

For the specimens, and much more, please visit:
http://mhmeteorites.com/main_collection.html

Thanks for your time,
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites

From bristolia at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 11 23:16:51 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:16:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Species Extinction By Asteroid A Rarity
Message-ID: <471159.35525.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

University of Southern California (2008, October 10). Species 
Extinction By Asteroid A Rarity. ScienceDaily. Retrieved October 
11, 2008, from 

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081007102904.htm

Greene, S. E., D. J. Bottjer, F. A. Corsetti, and J. P. Zonneveld, 
2008, Mass Extinction D?j? Vu: Seafloor Aragonite Fans near the 
Triassic-Jurassic Boundary. Geological Society of America Abstracts 
with Program. vol. 40, no. 6, p. 222.

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2008AM/finalprogram/abstract_147579.htm

Martindale, R., 2008, Paleoecological Patterns of Reef Death and 
Possible Causes for the Carbonate Collapse at the End-Triassic 
Mass Extinction. Geological Society of America Abstracts with 
Programs. vol. 40, no. 6, p. 279

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2008AM/finalprogram/abstract_142398.htm

Heydrari, E. and others, 2008, Mantle Plumes and Phanerozoic 
Biological Crises: Application to the Permian ? Triassic Boundary 
Mass Extinction. Geological Society of America Abstracts with 
Programs. vol. 40, no. 6, p. 98.

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2008AM/finalprogram/abstract_146945.htm

Richoz, S., and others, 2008, Repeated Photic Zone Euxinia after 
the Triassic-Jurassic Mass-Extinction Event. Geological Society 
of America Abstracts with Programs. vol. 40, no. 6, p. 505,

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2008AM/finalprogram/abstract_146441.htm

A related news release is:

Extinction Theory Falls From Favor: The Great Dying 250 million 
years ago happened slowly, according to USC geologists.
http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/14432.html

Yours,

Paul H.



      

From cojack at tiscali.it  Sun Oct 12 06:12:48 2008
From: cojack at tiscali.it (Francesco Moser)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:12:48 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] ALH76009
Message-ID: <002801c92c53$14c28590$0200a8c0@FISSO>

Hello!
There someone how have on sale (or trade) a fragment of the Antarctica 
meteorite ALH76009 ???
Thanks!


Ciao

<><><><>
Francesco Moser





From John at Cabassi.net  Sun Oct 12 11:37:30 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:37:30 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dimethylglyoxime powder for nickel testing
Message-ID: <000901c92c80$748e2b00$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day List
A while back some members were interested in DMG. A good friend of mine 
informed me that he had excess, so if anybody is still interested, you can 
email me off-list and I will forward you his email address and you can deal 
with him directly.

Quote:
"I have quite a bit of DMG I bought not realizing how far a little will go. 
So I am offering some of my surplus for those who wish to make their own 
nickel test kits. I will measure them out in 2 gram packets of DMG powder, 
which will make 200ml of DMG solution. Just dissolve the DMG powder in 200ml 
of denatured alcohol, available in hardware stores. The hydrochloric acid 
needed to ionize the nickel in stone meteorites is also available in 
hardware stores as muriatic or pool acid, or in pool stores. And the 
ammonium hydroxide can be purchased in any grocery store, or retail store. 
This will save you a lot of money over buying pre-made nickel test kits. I 
will write up an instructional paper to include with the DMG powder packets"

Thanks for your time.
Cheers, Johnno




From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 12:27:24 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:27:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1223827243.97961.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <292126.38422.qm@web58406.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Has anyone else noticed a steep drop in sales since the stock market and credit market woes began?

My sales this month, so far, have bottomed out.  It's the worst first two weeks of a month, for sales, since
I started dealing meteorites in January of this year.

At first, I thought it was just a normal "hiccup" in sales, which happens from time to time.  But as my
sale offers languish without a single response, I am now starting to wonder.  Is anyone else experiencing
this, or is it just me because I have a relatively-small customer base?

Regards,

MikeG




.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com  Sun Oct 12 12:28:29 2008
From: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com (mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:28:29 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
Message-ID: <2147142417-1223829021-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1373924229-@bxe139.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Sales have been good here. Similar to my 2nd quarter. Sold a few big ticket items as well. This is unlike in years past when the market was down. 

Matt Morgan
------Original Message------
From: Michael Gilmer
Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
ReplyTo: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com
Sent: Oct 12, 2008 10:27 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?

Has anyone else noticed a steep drop in sales since the stock market and credit market woes began?

My sales this month, so far, have bottomed out.  It's the worst first two weeks of a month, for sales, since
I started dealing meteorites in January of this year.

At first, I thought it was just a normal "hiccup" in sales, which happens from time to time.  But as my
sale offers languish without a single response, I am now starting to wonder.  Is anyone else experiencing
this, or is it just me because I have a relatively-small customer base?

Regards,

MikeG




.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      
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Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 13:30:55 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:30:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Accretion rates
Message-ID: <79631.7232.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Paul, all - 

Mike Griffin, the current NASA Administrator will be gone soon, and Ed Weiler will most likely follow. 

My guess is that whoever gets in there will abandon Ares 1 and Ares 5 and adopt the Direct architecture, and my hope is that NASA will finally start to GET SERIOUS about actually determining how often both asteroids and COMETS have hit.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      

From mlblood at cox.net  Sun Oct 12 14:40:08 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:40:08 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
In-Reply-To: <292126.38422.qm@web58406.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C5179298.1AC64%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Michael and all,
        No, you are not the only one. Aside from some outstanding
Mali specimens at rock bottom prices (pun intended), my sales
Are zero since the Bush fiasco has begun.
        More in the Nov. Meteorite Market Trends....
        (howsabout others???)
        Best wishes, Michael

on 10/12/08 9:27 AM, Michael Gilmer at michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com wrote:

> Has anyone else noticed a steep drop in sales since the stock market and
> credit market woes began?
> 
> My sales this month, so far, have bottomed out.  It's the worst first two
> weeks of a month, for sales, since
> I started dealing meteorites in January of this year.
> 
> At first, I thought it was just a normal "hiccup" in sales, which happens from
> time to time.  But as my
> sale offers languish without a single response, I am now starting to wonder.
> Is anyone else experiencing
> this, or is it just me because I have a relatively-small customer base?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> MikeG
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> ..........................................................
> 
> 
> 
>       
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Totally Green by Twenty Eighteen!

Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail Out"):
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm








From chinaren76 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 14:53:12 2008
From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:53:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Website updated, mainly about Zunhua
Message-ID: <140597.68450.qm@web52701.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello list,

My website was updated just now. Some little pieces of Zunhua with FC were added. Plz visit it when you have free time. Thanks in advance.

http://www.malanmeteorites.com/Meteoritesforsale/Zunhua_Index.html

Best wishes to all,

Ma Lan
IMCA #8234
Beijing China

Web http://www.malanmeteorites.com


      

From jeffkrosschell at comcast.net  Sun Oct 12 15:36:33 2008
From: jeffkrosschell at comcast.net (Jeff Krosschell)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:36:33 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions Ending Soon!
Message-ID: <6B150FFFE6D54718A7ECB26061077855@JeffVistaPC>

Hello List,
I have listed over 40 different .99 cent auctions that will be ending this
evening on EBay. 
For some odd reason, I'm getting the feeling that there's going to be some
steals this week.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/kalani_oftheheavens_W0QQQ5ftrkparmsZ72Q253A120
5Q257C39Q253A1Q257C66Q253A2Q257C65Q253A12QQ_ipgZ200QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em1
4?_trksid=p3911.c0.m14  

Jeff Krosschell
Kalani of the Heavens
IMCA # 0146


From wahlperry at aol.com  Sun Oct 12 17:06:41 2008
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:06:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crater Mining Company Letter,
	Telegram from 1921
Message-ID: <8CAFAC58F448734-1108-1DC4@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com>

Hi All,

I recently had a chance to purchase a few items that belonged to the 
Meteorite Crater Mining Company from 1921. A Telegram that was sent in 
January 22, 1921. In the  telegram, it talks about Barringer suggesting 
the use of Sulphuric acid to free the drill bit that became stuck while 
drilling . A letter sent to Mr.L. F. S. Holland Sup't. Crater Mining 
Company Winslow  AZ. I hope to have additional items up soon.

Thanks,
Sonny

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/meteorite_photos15.htm


www.NevadaMeteorites.com




From almitt at kconline.com  Sun Oct 12 17:09:25 2008
From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitterling)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:09:25 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
In-Reply-To: <C5179298.1AC64%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <C5179298.1AC64%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <5E28BA4592DA4C2AAB6C52F56FBC00B6@StarmanPC>

Hi Michael, Michael, Matt and all,

My sells have been very good this year even a good percentage over last 
years sells.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
To: <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?


> Hi Michael and all,
>        No, you are not the only one. Aside from some outstanding
> Mali specimens at rock bottom prices (pun intended), my sales
> Are zero since the Democrats fiasco has begun.
>        More in the Nov. Meteorite Market Trends....
>        (howsabout others???)
>        Best wishes, Michael
>
> on 10/12/08 9:27 AM, Michael Gilmer at michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else noticed a steep drop in sales since the stock market and
>> credit market woes began?
>>
>> My sales this month, so far, have bottomed out.  It's the worst first two
>> weeks of a month, for sales, since
>> I started dealing meteorites in January of this year.
>>
>> At first, I thought it was just a normal "hiccup" in sales, which happens 
>> from
>> time to time.  But as my
>> sale offers languish without a single response, I am now starting to 
>> wonder.
>> Is anyone else experiencing
>> this, or is it just me because I have a relatively-small customer base?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .........................................................
>> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
>> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
>> ..........................................................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> Totally Green by Twenty Eighteen!
>
> Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail Out"):
> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> 


From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sun Oct 12 17:23:41 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:23:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Zag Fragments
Message-ID: <928A5122BCB642FB8DCB3598B4976D9D@David>

I have 102 grams of Zag fragments that I will sell for $2.50 per gram.  If
you want the entire lot I will let it go for $225

These are perfect for micromounts and there are several small slices that
weigh less then 4 grams

You can see the pile by clicking this

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Zag/Fragments.jpg


If you are interested in a couple small pieces or a small bag of fragments
or the whole lot please contact me off list at bobadebt at ec.rr.com

Thanks 


From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sun Oct 12 17:22:17 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:22:17 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Zag Fragments
Message-ID: <5F7F95D9190C4C87BD9B840199F6B211@David>

I have 102 grams of Zag fragments that I will sell for $2.50 per gram.  If 
you want the entire lot I will let it go for $225

These are perfect for micromounts and there are several small slices that 
weigh less then 4 grams

You can see the pile by clicking this

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Zag/Fragments.jpg


If you are interested in a couple small pieces or a small bag of fragments 
or the whole lot please contact me off list at bobadebt at ec.rr.com

Thanks 


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sun Oct 12 18:24:43 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:24:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
In-Reply-To: <5E28BA4592DA4C2AAB6C52F56FBC00B6@StarmanPC>
Message-ID: <20081012222456.DA085105B4@mailwash5.pair.com>

At this point in time, my view is that the economic crisis has had little
immediate effect on the meteorite market. My observation has been that
historical and older witnessed falls continue to rise and sell quickly
(especially from the Old-World). More and more rare/historical falls are
reaching the $100+ a gram price, whereas a few years ago they were 'only'
$50/g. I believe there are several reasons for this:

1. Less museums and institutions are exchanging historical material.

2. More historical material is being sectioned down into smaller pieces and
macros making them more expensive (and larger pieces difficult to find).

3. I believe that more and more collectors are aspiring to collect
historical falls.

4. Hard Provenance. Provenance can add exceptional value to a piece and more
and more dealers are providing it pre-sale. (copies of old museum or
collector labels, chain of ownership, etc.).

On the other hand Dessert Finds, USA finds, and planetaries are cheap and
seem to be on a small decline. I believe there are several reasons for this
as well:

1. Dessert Finds: Many collectors have filled their type-collections making
otherwise rare types a little less desirable. Exceptions would be extremely
fresh material, new sub-types, or aesthetic pieces. Look how cheap CV3's
are!

2. USA Finds: There seems to have been a flood of this material over the
last few years - supply/demand. Exceptions would include ultra-rare irons,
rare localities, or old labels/provenance.

3. Planetaries: I'm not entirely sure what is happening here, but Lunars and
Martians could be purchased very cheap (in bulk) in Tucson. Perhaps supply
has overgrown demand. $1000/g planetaries are, for now, a thing of the past.
I believe that they will re-bound in several years, however, making them a
smart buy now.

These three groups may also suffer more as a result of the long-term
economic crisis as collectors begin prioritizing their collections. 

I have been keeping a pretty close eye on this and it seems that eBay, for
the most part, is not the place to sell right now. The upside is that eBay
has some great bargains for buyers. As a result, I predict that more sellers
will discontinue the .99 cent selling format and begin using fixed prices on
eBay. 

I also get the sense that some dealers are hoarding and/or are on selling
freezes. I haven't purchased much in the last few months only because there
is little for sale that suits my collection requirements. It will be
interesting to see where things are in February at Tucson.

Just my opinion and personal observations... Others' may be different and I
look forward to more posts on this topic.

Regards,

Mike Bandli
?


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of al
mitterling
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:09 PM
To: Michael L Blood; michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?

Hi Michael, Michael, Matt and all,

My sells have been very good this year even a good percentage over last 
years sells.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
To: <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?


> Hi Michael and all,
>        No, you are not the only one. Aside from some outstanding
> Mali specimens at rock bottom prices (pun intended), my sales
> Are zero since the Democrats fiasco has begun.
>        More in the Nov. Meteorite Market Trends....
>        (howsabout others???)
>        Best wishes, Michael
>
> on 10/12/08 9:27 AM, Michael Gilmer at michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else noticed a steep drop in sales since the stock market and
>> credit market woes began?
>>
>> My sales this month, so far, have bottomed out.  It's the worst first two
>> weeks of a month, for sales, since
>> I started dealing meteorites in January of this year.
>>
>> At first, I thought it was just a normal "hiccup" in sales, which happens

>> from
>> time to time.  But as my
>> sale offers languish without a single response, I am now starting to 
>> wonder.
>> Is anyone else experiencing
>> this, or is it just me because I have a relatively-small customer base?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .........................................................
>> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
>> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
>> ..........................................................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> Totally Green by Twenty Eighteen!
>
> Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail Out"):
> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> 

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From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 12 19:04:30 2008
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:04:30 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <BAY113-W33FCC663FEA0191661D249A2370@phx.gbl>



test

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From wahlperry at aol.com  Sun Oct 12 19:06:41 2008
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:06:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crater Mining Company Letter,
 Telegram from 1921,
 Telegram directing tunnel to retrive stuck drill / Photo Part 2
Message-ID: <8CAFAD652DE0E6F-1468-5CB5@webmail-me02.sysops.aol.com>

Hi,

I Just placed one more telegram and photo from the Meteorite Crater 
Mining Company. Anyone having Meteorite Mining Company Historical 
Memorabilia for sale contact off list.

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/meteorite_photos15.htm

Thanks,
Sonny

www.nevadameteorites.com

From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 12 19:08:37 2008
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:08:37 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
Message-ID: <BAY113-W5314C6128C5497D4CE8F09A2370@phx.gbl>



Meteorite sales are picking up here. People that I've been negotiating with for years are selling.

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From Impactika at aol.com  Sun Oct 12 20:49:02 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:49:02 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
Message-ID: <cde.38cfaf6a.3623f4fe@aol.com>

Hello List, Al and Mike(s),

Excellent market analysis, Mike (Bandli). I agree with most of it.

Personally I believe that the planetary meteorites will keep on losing their 
value (except maybe some exceptional falls) as they become less and less of a 
rare occurence. At the last Tucson Show, there were no less than 3 new lunars. 
When is the last time we had a new Aubrite (a real one)?
 
And business is about the same as last year. And I am hoping to close soon on 
a very nice trade, so I will have even more new "stuff". No complaints here.

Anybody else?
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
 

In a message dated 10/12/2008 4:25:20 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
fuzzfoot at comcast.net writes:
At this point in time, my view is that the economic crisis has had little
immediate effect on the meteorite market. My observation has been that
historical and older witnessed falls continue to rise and sell quickly
(especially from the Old-World). More and more rare/historical falls are
reaching the $100+ a gram price, whereas a few years ago they were 'only'
$50/g. I believe there are several reasons for this:

1. Less museums and institutions are exchanging historical material.

2. More historical material is being sectioned down into smaller pieces and
macros making them more expensive (and larger pieces difficult to find).

3. I believe that more and more collectors are aspiring to collect
historical falls.

4. Hard Provenance. Provenance can add exceptional value to a piece and more
and more dealers are providing it pre-sale. (copies of old museum or
collector labels, chain of ownership, etc.).

On the other hand Dessert Finds, USA finds, and planetaries are cheap and
seem to be on a small decline. I believe there are several reasons for this
as well:

1. Dessert Finds: Many collectors have filled their type-collections making
otherwise rare types a little less desirable. Exceptions would be extremely
fresh material, new sub-types, or aesthetic pieces. Look how cheap CV3's
are!

2. USA Finds: There seems to have been a flood of this material over the
last few years - supply/demand. Exceptions would include ultra-rare irons,
rare localities, or old labels/provenance.

3. Planetaries: I'm not entirely sure what is happening here, but Lunars and
Martians could be purchased very cheap (in bulk) in Tucson. Perhaps supply
has overgrown demand. $1000/g planetaries are, for now, a thing of the past.
I believe that they will re-bound in several years, however, making them a
smart buy now.

These three groups may also suffer more as a result of the long-term
economic crisis as collectors begin prioritizing their collections. 

I have been keeping a pretty close eye on this and it seems that eBay, for
the most part, is not the place to sell right now. The upside is that eBay
has some great bargains for buyers. As a result, I predict that more sellers
will discontinue the .99 cent selling format and begin using fixed prices on
eBay. 

I also get the sense that some dealers are hoarding and/or are on selling
freezes. I haven't purchased much in the last few months only because there
is little for sale that suits my collection requirements. It will be
interesting to see where things are in February at Tucson.

Just my opinion and personal observations... Others' may be different and I
look forward to more posts on this topic.

Regards,

Mike Bandli
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Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out 
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Oct 12 21:15:54 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:15:54 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
References: <cde.38cfaf6a.3623f4fe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <603E83A351C94391A1C28C39F2257282@Gregor>

Dear Anne and List,

Anne asked:
"When is the last time we had a new Aubrite (a real one)?"

Simple, "NWA 4799", beginning of this year!! And what a beauty it is. Bernd 
sent to the List some excellent micro-photos he took a couple of weeks ago, 
and then he sent me some even better ones. Bernd, can you please send these 
photos to our fellow Aubrite enthusiasts on the List.

In the mean time, here are a couple of links to my more humble photos of NWA 
4799:


Image of large whitish enstatite grains at 26x magnification:

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4799/nwa4799c.jpg



Image of large enstatite grains at 32x magnification:

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4799/nwa4799e.jpg



Anne, did you make some thin sections of this one? If not, contact me off 
List if interested in some material to have those high quality thin sections 
you provide!



Enjoy!
Greg


====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Impactika at aol.com>
To: <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>; <almitt at kconline.com>; <mlblood at cox.net>; 
<michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?


> Hello List, Al and Mike(s),
>
> Excellent market analysis, Mike (Bandli). I agree with most of it.
>
> Personally I believe that the planetary meteorites will keep on losing 
> their
> value (except maybe some exceptional falls) as they become less and less 
> of a
> rare occurence. At the last Tucson Show, there were no less than 3 new 
> lunars.
> When is the last time we had a new Aubrite (a real one)?
>
> And business is about the same as last year. And I am hoping to close soon 
> on
> a very nice trade, so I will have even more new "stuff". No complaints 
> here.
>
> Anybody else?
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
>
> In a message dated 10/12/2008 4:25:20 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> fuzzfoot at comcast.net writes:
> At this point in time, my view is that the economic crisis has had little
> immediate effect on the meteorite market. My observation has been that
> historical and older witnessed falls continue to rise and sell quickly
> (especially from the Old-World). More and more rare/historical falls are
> reaching the $100+ a gram price, whereas a few years ago they were 'only'
> $50/g. I believe there are several reasons for this:
>
> 1. Less museums and institutions are exchanging historical material.
>
> 2. More historical material is being sectioned down into smaller pieces 
> and
> macros making them more expensive (and larger pieces difficult to find).
>
> 3. I believe that more and more collectors are aspiring to collect
> historical falls.
>
> 4. Hard Provenance. Provenance can add exceptional value to a piece and 
> more
> and more dealers are providing it pre-sale. (copies of old museum or
> collector labels, chain of ownership, etc.).
>
> On the other hand Dessert Finds, USA finds, and planetaries are cheap and
> seem to be on a small decline. I believe there are several reasons for 
> this
> as well:
>
> 1. Dessert Finds: Many collectors have filled their type-collections 
> making
> otherwise rare types a little less desirable. Exceptions would be 
> extremely
> fresh material, new sub-types, or aesthetic pieces. Look how cheap CV3's
> are!
>
> 2. USA Finds: There seems to have been a flood of this material over the
> last few years - supply/demand. Exceptions would include ultra-rare irons,
> rare localities, or old labels/provenance.
>
> 3. Planetaries: I'm not entirely sure what is happening here, but Lunars 
> and
> Martians could be purchased very cheap (in bulk) in Tucson. Perhaps supply
> has overgrown demand. $1000/g planetaries are, for now, a thing of the 
> past.
> I believe that they will re-bound in several years, however, making them a
> smart buy now.
>
> These three groups may also suffer more as a result of the long-term
> economic crisis as collectors begin prioritizing their collections.
>
> I have been keeping a pretty close eye on this and it seems that eBay, for
> the most part, is not the place to sell right now. The upside is that eBay
> has some great bargains for buyers. As a result, I predict that more 
> sellers
> will discontinue the .99 cent selling format and begin using fixed prices 
> on
> eBay.
>
> I also get the sense that some dealers are hoarding and/or are on selling
> freezes. I haven't purchased much in the last few months only because 
> there
> is little for sale that suits my collection requirements. It will be
> interesting to see where things are in February at Tucson.
>
> Just my opinion and personal observations... Others' may be different and 
> I
> look forward to more posts on this topic.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike Bandli
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> destination.
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From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 21:20:08 2008
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:20:08 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Crater Mining Company Letter,
	Telegram from 1921,
	Telegram directing tunnel to retrive stuck drill / Photo Part 2
In-Reply-To: <8CAFAD652DE0E6F-1468-5CB5@webmail-me02.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CAFAD652DE0E6F-1468-5CB5@webmail-me02.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <6f9da8300810121820j53515b54vfda822294044efbd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sonny & list

Just want to make a small note/correction. What the documents you are
holding belonged to the Crater Mining Company. They were brought in by
DM Barringer to find the elusive pot o' iron that he was unsuccessful
in finding. His original company was called Standard Iron Company. It
was this company that did much of the early work on the crater. He
drilled several holes at the bottom of the crater in 1906, 1907, and
1908. This drilling put him low on funds. He tried for the next few
years to raise more money to drill but was largely unsuccessful.
Finally he convinced U S Smelting Refining and Mining Company to
attempt drilling. They formed the "Crater Mining Company" which issued
stocks back to the parent company. He signed a lease with them
sometime around 1920. They drilled the infamous hole on the top of the
rim where the drill bit kept getting stuck. Unfortunately they had
even more problems drilling than did Barringer and left in 1924.
Here is an example of one of these "Crater Mining Company" stocks
http://jensenmeteorites.com/Albin.htm

It was shortly after this time Barringer started the "Meteor Crater
Mining and Exploration Company". Most everybody should be familiar
with the blue and orange stock certificates. These were actually sold
together. He died Nov. 30, 1929 (just a month after the stock market
crash). It seems that soon after this his son Brandon shut the mining
operation down and started to concentrate on turning it into a tourist
destination at least based on several of the brochures I have from
this period.

Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com



On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 5:06 PM,  <wahlperry at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I Just placed one more telegram and photo from the Meteorite Crater Mining
> Company. Anyone having Meteorite Mining Company Historical Memorabilia for
> sale contact off list.
>
> http://www.nevadameteorites.com/meteorite_photos15.htm
>
> Thanks,
> Sonny
>
> www.nevadameteorites.com
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From marsrox at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 22:52:41 2008
From: marsrox at gmail.com (Kevin Kichinka)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:52:41 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Economy and the Price of Meteorites - Do You
	Really Want to Know?
Message-ID: <5bb98d570810121952g4e476a86l4e737f47359f712a@mail.gmail.com>

There's a thread today concerning meteorite prices, the economy and
the present meteorite market.

In September I offered here my "Global Meteorite Price Report - 2008".
I've sold quite a few, they've gone out to people in twenty-seven
different countries, and many were to collectors who purchased the
first report in February, 2007. I assume that means that they found
the report useful or they wouldn't have purchased it again.

A few dealers have also purchased and/or re-purchased the report, and
these are people who I consider to be very serious about selling
meteorites. They probably would prefer that you DON'T KNOW the price
of meteorites. As for the rest of those dealing mets, if you don't
know what the competition is asking for a meteorite, there's a good
chance you are too high (and losing sales), or to low (and losing
money.)  Realistically, few dealers have the time to keep up with the
price trend of every rock in their inventory. I offer here that
service.

Quite frankly, the meteorite market is so confused, and always has
been, endless opportunities exist for collectors to locate and
purchase bargain material of all kinds. In the process of compiling
and creating this report, I located historic falls, Mars and rare
lithologies that were grossly under priced. Wouldn't you want to know
about this?

I trade stocks these days, and I need all the information I can
harvest. In equities and bonds, there are endless sources. For today's
meteorite prices, I humbly assert that I am your only qualified,
unbiased, experienced source. No one else is doing what I have done,
and it is a massive project sold inexpensively to benefit all.
Additionally, ten percent goes toward my charitable donation to
astronomers in La Paz, Bolivia.

Here's the advertisement I submitted a couple of weeks ago. "The
Global Meteorite Price Report - 2008" might be the best $11 you spend
this month. - K

**********************************************************************************************************************************************************
Dear List Members:


Every year since 1995 I have prepared a report to estimate the value
of each meteorite in my collection. This is done by painstakingly
visiting every legitimate dealer website. The results of these surveys
have become a true "snapshot" of each year's market prices.


Last year, I realized that this type of information might interest
other collectors and dealers. After adding value by identifying and
interpreting price trends, I shared the data by selling it
inexpensively on the Internet. The 2007 "Global Meteorite Price
Report" was limited to the eight-five meteorites within my collection,
but was instantly popular and the feedback I received was very
supportive.


This year, to better serve the meteorite community I have expanded the
report to include many other popular meteorites beyond those held in
my personal collection. There are now 121 different meteorites (plus a
few of their permutations). I would have included more, but at least
one hundred historic or well-known meteorites that were on my search
list are not currently being offered for sale ? rare birds indeed.


This fourteen-page document contains three years worth of price data,
July, 2005, February, 2007 and September, 2008, so that price trends
among the meteorites you own can be identified. Actually, I do it for
you.


My methodology is explained, and following the price list comparisons,
there is my "State of the Market Report" with "Market News", "Impact
of Dealer Competition", "Individual Meteorites of Note" and I
introduce a new concept to meteorites called "Tiered Pricing."


Breaking up the prose are many color photos of meteorites and related
items never or rarely seen before and select meteorite microscopy
works by the vanguard in this field, Tom Phillips.


But there's more. Did you ever wonder if you shared first names with a
meteorite? As a fun addition, I have included a two-page list of
meteorite names compiled from Monica Grady's latest version of "The
Catalogue of Meteorites" that are also "people names". Anyone named
Mike in the audience? You have a meteorite.


Anyone owning my book (see www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com) that
enjoys my writing style will want this report. Anyone trying to
understand the effects of the world's slowing economy on their
collection's value will want this report. Any dealer wondering how his
prices stack up against the competition will want this report.


The price is $11 payable on PAYPAL by visiting MARSROX at gmail.com
The lucky eleventh dollar will be used to enhance my charitable
donation of astronomy books to the Planetarium Dr. Max Schreier in La
Paz, Bolivia, in support of their large meteorite collection donated
by Blaine Reed.


Upon receipt of your funds, "The Global Meteorite Price Report" - 2008
and the "Meteorite/People Names" will be transmitted within 24 hours
in an email as attached Adobe pdf docs. They're highly "printer
friendly" and you will want to keep them among your meteorite files.
I look forward to sharing this information. You will enjoy the
journey. Thank you.


Kevin Kichinka
MARSROX at gmail.com
www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com

From bandk at chorus.net  Sun Oct 12 22:56:14 2008
From: bandk at chorus.net (Kirk Jenks)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:56:14 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Economy and the Price of Meteorites - Do
	YouReally Want to Know?
References: <5bb98d570810121952g4e476a86l4e737f47359f712a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <023201c92cdf$43c80180$84d20b45@owner55652f88b>

test
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Kichinka" <marsrox at gmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:52 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Economy and the Price of Meteorites - Do 
YouReally Want to Know?


There's a thread today concerning meteorite prices, the economy and
the present meteorite market.

In September I offered here my "Global Meteorite Price Report - 2008".
I've sold quite a few, they've gone out to people in twenty-seven
different countries, and many were to collectors who purchased the
first report in February, 2007. I assume that means that they found
the report useful or they wouldn't have purchased it again.

A few dealers have also purchased and/or re-purchased the report, and
these are people who I consider to be very serious about selling
meteorites. They probably would prefer that you DON'T KNOW the price
of meteorites. As for the rest of those dealing mets, if you don't
know what the competition is asking for a meteorite, there's a good
chance you are too high (and losing sales), or to low (and losing
money.)  Realistically, few dealers have the time to keep up with the
price trend of every rock in their inventory. I offer here that
service.

Quite frankly, the meteorite market is so confused, and always has
been, endless opportunities exist for collectors to locate and
purchase bargain material of all kinds. In the process of compiling
and creating this report, I located historic falls, Mars and rare
lithologies that were grossly under priced. Wouldn't you want to know
about this?

I trade stocks these days, and I need all the information I can
harvest. In equities and bonds, there are endless sources. For today's
meteorite prices, I humbly assert that I am your only qualified,
unbiased, experienced source. No one else is doing what I have done,
and it is a massive project sold inexpensively to benefit all.
Additionally, ten percent goes toward my charitable donation to
astronomers in La Paz, Bolivia.

Here's the advertisement I submitted a couple of weeks ago. "The
Global Meteorite Price Report - 2008" might be the best $11 you spend
this month. - K

**********************************************************************************************************************************************************
Dear List Members:


Every year since 1995 I have prepared a report to estimate the value
of each meteorite in my collection. This is done by painstakingly
visiting every legitimate dealer website. The results of these surveys
have become a true "snapshot" of each year's market prices.


Last year, I realized that this type of information might interest
other collectors and dealers. After adding value by identifying and
interpreting price trends, I shared the data by selling it
inexpensively on the Internet. The 2007 "Global Meteorite Price
Report" was limited to the eight-five meteorites within my collection,
but was instantly popular and the feedback I received was very
supportive.


This year, to better serve the meteorite community I have expanded the
report to include many other popular meteorites beyond those held in
my personal collection. There are now 121 different meteorites (plus a
few of their permutations). I would have included more, but at least
one hundred historic or well-known meteorites that were on my search
list are not currently being offered for sale ? rare birds indeed.


This fourteen-page document contains three years worth of price data,
July, 2005, February, 2007 and September, 2008, so that price trends
among the meteorites you own can be identified. Actually, I do it for
you.


My methodology is explained, and following the price list comparisons,
there is my "State of the Market Report" with "Market News", "Impact
of Dealer Competition", "Individual Meteorites of Note" and I
introduce a new concept to meteorites called "Tiered Pricing."


Breaking up the prose are many color photos of meteorites and related
items never or rarely seen before and select meteorite microscopy
works by the vanguard in this field, Tom Phillips.


But there's more. Did you ever wonder if you shared first names with a
meteorite? As a fun addition, I have included a two-page list of
meteorite names compiled from Monica Grady's latest version of "The
Catalogue of Meteorites" that are also "people names". Anyone named
Mike in the audience? You have a meteorite.


Anyone owning my book (see www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com) that
enjoys my writing style will want this report. Anyone trying to
understand the effects of the world's slowing economy on their
collection's value will want this report. Any dealer wondering how his
prices stack up against the competition will want this report.


The price is $11 payable on PAYPAL by visiting MARSROX at gmail.com
The lucky eleventh dollar will be used to enhance my charitable
donation of astronomy books to the Planetarium Dr. Max Schreier in La
Paz, Bolivia, in support of their large meteorite collection donated
by Blaine Reed.


Upon receipt of your funds, "The Global Meteorite Price Report" - 2008
and the "Meteorite/People Names" will be transmitted within 24 hours
in an email as attached Adobe pdf docs. They're highly "printer
friendly" and you will want to keep them among your meteorite files.
I look forward to sharing this information. You will enjoy the
journey. Thank you.


Kevin Kichinka
MARSROX at gmail.com
www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com
______________________________________________
http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 23:39:36 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
In-Reply-To: <20081012222456.DA085105B4@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <187401.33603.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hello everyone.
My take.

Prices are up, business is way up for me, this has been my best year yet. I disagree on the planetary material, my prices have been up and sales increasing. Supply is down, rare stuff  (NON-NWA) is scarce, and you are right, we are hoarding stuff. My safe is full of flats of falls, Bassikounou, Chergach, Thuathe etc, I will not sell them, just keep them for much later. 
Meteorites are a better place for your money than the market! The insane collapse of the world markets prove once again that owning tangible assets always pays better than worthless paper. 
Michael Farmer

--- On Sun, 10/12/08, Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
> To: "'al mitterling'" <almitt at kconline.com>, "'Michael L Blood'" <mlblood at cox.net>, michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com, "'Meteorite List'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 4:24 PM
> At this point in time, my view is that the economic crisis
> has had little
> immediate effect on the meteorite market. My observation
> has been that
> historical and older witnessed falls continue to rise and
> sell quickly
> (especially from the Old-World). More and more
> rare/historical falls are
> reaching the $100+ a gram price, whereas a few years ago
> they were 'only'
> $50/g. I believe there are several reasons for this:
> 
> 1. Less museums and institutions are exchanging historical
> material.
> 
> 2. More historical material is being sectioned down into
> smaller pieces and
> macros making them more expensive (and larger pieces
> difficult to find).
> 
> 3. I believe that more and more collectors are aspiring to
> collect
> historical falls.
> 
> 4. Hard Provenance. Provenance can add exceptional value to
> a piece and more
> and more dealers are providing it pre-sale. (copies of old
> museum or
> collector labels, chain of ownership, etc.).
> 
> On the other hand Dessert Finds, USA finds, and planetaries
> are cheap and
> seem to be on a small decline. I believe there are several
> reasons for this
> as well:
> 
> 1. Dessert Finds: Many collectors have filled their
> type-collections making
> otherwise rare types a little less desirable. Exceptions
> would be extremely
> fresh material, new sub-types, or aesthetic pieces. Look
> how cheap CV3's
> are!
> 
> 2. USA Finds: There seems to have been a flood of this
> material over the
> last few years - supply/demand. Exceptions would include
> ultra-rare irons,
> rare localities, or old labels/provenance.
> 
> 3. Planetaries: I'm not entirely sure what is happening
> here, but Lunars and
> Martians could be purchased very cheap (in bulk) in Tucson.
> Perhaps supply
> has overgrown demand. $1000/g planetaries are, for now, a
> thing of the past.
> I believe that they will re-bound in several years,
> however, making them a
> smart buy now.
> 
> These three groups may also suffer more as a result of the
> long-term
> economic crisis as collectors begin prioritizing their
> collections. 
> 
> I have been keeping a pretty close eye on this and it seems
> that eBay, for
> the most part, is not the place to sell right now. The
> upside is that eBay
> has some great bargains for buyers. As a result, I predict
> that more sellers
> will discontinue the .99 cent selling format and begin
> using fixed prices on
> eBay. 
> 
> I also get the sense that some dealers are hoarding and/or
> are on selling
> freezes. I haven't purchased much in the last few
> months only because there
> is little for sale that suits my collection requirements.
> It will be
> interesting to see where things are in February at Tucson.
> 
> Just my opinion and personal observations... Others'
> may be different and I
> look forward to more posts on this topic.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike Bandli
> ?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On
> Behalf Of al
> mitterling
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:09 PM
> To: Michael L Blood; michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com; Meteorite
> List
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with
> the stock market?
> 
> Hi Michael, Michael, Matt and all,
> 
> My sells have been very good this year even a good
> percentage over last 
> years sells.
> 
> --AL Mitterling
> Mitterling Meteorites
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
> To: <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite
> List" 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with
> the stock market?
> 
> 
> > Hi Michael and all,
> >        No, you are not the only one. Aside from some
> outstanding
> > Mali specimens at rock bottom prices (pun intended),
> my sales
> > Are zero since the Democrats fiasco has begun.
> >        More in the Nov. Meteorite Market Trends....
> >        (howsabout others???)
> >        Best wishes, Michael
> >
> > on 10/12/08 9:27 AM, Michael Gilmer at
> michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone else noticed a steep drop in sales
> since the stock market and
> >> credit market woes began?
> >>
> >> My sales this month, so far, have bottomed out. 
> It's the worst first two
> >> weeks of a month, for sales, since
> >> I started dealing meteorites in January of this
> year.
> >>
> >> At first, I thought it was just a normal
> "hiccup" in sales, which happens
> 
> >> from
> >> time to time.  But as my
> >> sale offers languish without a single response, I
> am now starting to 
> >> wonder.
> >> Is anyone else experiencing
> >> this, or is it just me because I have a
> relatively-small customer base?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> MikeG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> .........................................................
> >> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> >> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> >> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> >> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
> http://www.glassthrower.com
> >> MySpace -
> http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> >>
> ..........................................................
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>
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> >
> > Totally Green by Twenty Eighteen!
> >
> > Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail
> Out"):
> > http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Sun Oct 12 23:42:58 2008
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:42:58 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Dhofar 007 at $6.50 per gram
Message-ID: <009601c92ce5$c93868e0$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Hello all

I upgraded my collection piece today so I am willing to drop the price on 
this one to $1580

Have a look around, you'll find it to be the best price on the web, couldn't 
get any for less than $10 in Tucson last year.

An oddball eucrite with plenty written on it perhaps being from the 
mesosiderite parent body.

http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/catalog/dhofar007-1.htm

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971



From John at Cabassi.net  Sun Oct 12 23:59:46 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:59:46 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
References: <187401.33603.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <012e01c92ce8$23c2e5e0$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day List
It is interesting what Mike has to say. I for one, am not a dealer, but a 
collector and I try to pick up larger specimens, they have become fewer and 
fewer. I'm not interested in the smaller micro / macro pieces, but more on 
the substantial side as long as the price is within reason. I don't want 
anything for free, but I don't want to be ripped off. So I'm very cautious 
at what I choose and at the moment with the present situation with the 
economy, I have to be extra cautious. My trust in paper money is becoming 
less and less.

Cheers
Johnno

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: "'al mitterling'" <almitt at kconline.com>; "'Michael L Blood'" 
<mlblood at cox.net>; <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>; "'Meteorite List'" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Mike Bandli" <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?



Hello everyone.
My take.

Prices are up, business is way up for me, this has been my best year yet. I 
disagree on the planetary material, my prices have been up and sales 
increasing. Supply is down, rare stuff  (NON-NWA) is scarce, and you are 
right, we are hoarding stuff. My safe is full of flats of falls, 
Bassikounou, Chergach, Thuathe etc, I will not sell them, just keep them for 
much later.
Meteorites are a better place for your money than the market! The insane 
collapse of the world markets prove once again that owning tangible assets 
always pays better than worthless paper.
Michael Farmer

--- On Sun, 10/12/08, Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock 
> market?
> To: "'al mitterling'" <almitt at kconline.com>, "'Michael L Blood'" 
> <mlblood at cox.net>, michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com, "'Meteorite List'" 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 4:24 PM
> At this point in time, my view is that the economic crisis
> has had little
> immediate effect on the meteorite market. My observation
> has been that
> historical and older witnessed falls continue to rise and
> sell quickly
> (especially from the Old-World). More and more
> rare/historical falls are
> reaching the $100+ a gram price, whereas a few years ago
> they were 'only'
> $50/g. I believe there are several reasons for this:
>
> 1. Less museums and institutions are exchanging historical
> material.
>
> 2. More historical material is being sectioned down into
> smaller pieces and
> macros making them more expensive (and larger pieces
> difficult to find).
>
> 3. I believe that more and more collectors are aspiring to
> collect
> historical falls.
>
> 4. Hard Provenance. Provenance can add exceptional value to
> a piece and more
> and more dealers are providing it pre-sale. (copies of old
> museum or
> collector labels, chain of ownership, etc.).
>
> On the other hand Dessert Finds, USA finds, and planetaries
> are cheap and
> seem to be on a small decline. I believe there are several
> reasons for this
> as well:
>
> 1. Dessert Finds: Many collectors have filled their
> type-collections making
> otherwise rare types a little less desirable. Exceptions
> would be extremely
> fresh material, new sub-types, or aesthetic pieces. Look
> how cheap CV3's
> are!
>
> 2. USA Finds: There seems to have been a flood of this
> material over the
> last few years - supply/demand. Exceptions would include
> ultra-rare irons,
> rare localities, or old labels/provenance.
>
> 3. Planetaries: I'm not entirely sure what is happening
> here, but Lunars and
> Martians could be purchased very cheap (in bulk) in Tucson.
> Perhaps supply
> has overgrown demand. $1000/g planetaries are, for now, a
> thing of the past.
> I believe that they will re-bound in several years,
> however, making them a
> smart buy now.
>
> These three groups may also suffer more as a result of the
> long-term
> economic crisis as collectors begin prioritizing their
> collections.
>
> I have been keeping a pretty close eye on this and it seems
> that eBay, for
> the most part, is not the place to sell right now. The
> upside is that eBay
> has some great bargains for buyers. As a result, I predict
> that more sellers
> will discontinue the .99 cent selling format and begin
> using fixed prices on
> eBay.
>
> I also get the sense that some dealers are hoarding and/or
> are on selling
> freezes. I haven't purchased much in the last few
> months only because there
> is little for sale that suits my collection requirements.
> It will be
> interesting to see where things are in February at Tucson.
>
> Just my opinion and personal observations... Others'
> may be different and I
> look forward to more posts on this topic.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike Bandli
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On
> Behalf Of al
> mitterling
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:09 PM
> To: Michael L Blood; michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com; Meteorite
> List
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with
> the stock market?
>
> Hi Michael, Michael, Matt and all,
>
> My sells have been very good this year even a good
> percentage over last
> years sells.
>
> --AL Mitterling
> Mitterling Meteorites
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
> To: <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite
> List"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with
> the stock market?
>
>
> > Hi Michael and all,
> >        No, you are not the only one. Aside from some
> outstanding
> > Mali specimens at rock bottom prices (pun intended),
> my sales
> > Are zero since the Democrats fiasco has begun.
> >        More in the Nov. Meteorite Market Trends....
> >        (howsabout others???)
> >        Best wishes, Michael
> >
> > on 10/12/08 9:27 AM, Michael Gilmer at
> michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone else noticed a steep drop in sales
> since the stock market and
> >> credit market woes began?
> >>
> >> My sales this month, so far, have bottomed out.
> It's the worst first two
> >> weeks of a month, for sales, since
> >> I started dealing meteorites in January of this
> year.
> >>
> >> At first, I thought it was just a normal
> "hiccup" in sales, which happens
>
> >> from
> >> time to time.  But as my
> >> sale offers languish without a single response, I
> am now starting to
> >> wonder.
> >> Is anyone else experiencing
> >> this, or is it just me because I have a
> relatively-small customer base?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> MikeG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> .........................................................
> >> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> >> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> >> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> >> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
> http://www.glassthrower.com
> >> MySpace -
> http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> >>
> ..........................................................
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> > Totally Green by Twenty Eighteen!
> >
> > Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail
> Out"):
> > http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> >
>
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Mon Oct 13 00:04:17 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:04:17 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
References: <187401.33603.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<012e01c92ce8$23c2e5e0$4564fea9@TITAN>
Message-ID: <719DD867BDD74D438AF8C578B087BA83@Gregor>

Hello All,

As a very silent member used to say, "The Market is in ruin!" Personally, I 
strongly disagree. ;-)

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?


> G'Day List
> It is interesting what Mike has to say. I for one, am not a dealer, but a 
> collector and I try to pick up larger specimens, they have become fewer 
> and fewer. I'm not interested in the smaller micro / macro pieces, but 
> more on the substantial side as long as the price is within reason. I 
> don't want anything for free, but I don't want to be ripped off. So I'm 
> very cautious at what I choose and at the moment with the present 
> situation with the economy, I have to be extra cautious. My trust in paper 
> money is becoming less and less.
>
> Cheers
> Johnno
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> To: "'al mitterling'" <almitt at kconline.com>; "'Michael L Blood'" 
> <mlblood at cox.net>; <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>; "'Meteorite List'" 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Mike Bandli" 
> <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock 
> market?
>
>
>
> Hello everyone.
> My take.
>
> Prices are up, business is way up for me, this has been my best year yet. 
> I disagree on the planetary material, my prices have been up and sales 
> increasing. Supply is down, rare stuff  (NON-NWA) is scarce, and you are 
> right, we are hoarding stuff. My safe is full of flats of falls, 
> Bassikounou, Chergach, Thuathe etc, I will not sell them, just keep them 
> for much later.
> Meteorites are a better place for your money than the market! The insane 
> collapse of the world markets prove once again that owning tangible assets 
> always pays better than worthless paper.
> Michael Farmer
>
> --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock 
>> market?
>> To: "'al mitterling'" <almitt at kconline.com>, "'Michael L Blood'" 
>> <mlblood at cox.net>, michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com, "'Meteorite List'" 
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 4:24 PM
>> At this point in time, my view is that the economic crisis
>> has had little
>> immediate effect on the meteorite market. My observation
>> has been that
>> historical and older witnessed falls continue to rise and
>> sell quickly
>> (especially from the Old-World). More and more
>> rare/historical falls are
>> reaching the $100+ a gram price, whereas a few years ago
>> they were 'only'
>> $50/g. I believe there are several reasons for this:
>>
>> 1. Less museums and institutions are exchanging historical
>> material.
>>
>> 2. More historical material is being sectioned down into
>> smaller pieces and
>> macros making them more expensive (and larger pieces
>> difficult to find).
>>
>> 3. I believe that more and more collectors are aspiring to
>> collect
>> historical falls.
>>
>> 4. Hard Provenance. Provenance can add exceptional value to
>> a piece and more
>> and more dealers are providing it pre-sale. (copies of old
>> museum or
>> collector labels, chain of ownership, etc.).
>>
>> On the other hand Dessert Finds, USA finds, and planetaries
>> are cheap and
>> seem to be on a small decline. I believe there are several
>> reasons for this
>> as well:
>>
>> 1. Dessert Finds: Many collectors have filled their
>> type-collections making
>> otherwise rare types a little less desirable. Exceptions
>> would be extremely
>> fresh material, new sub-types, or aesthetic pieces. Look
>> how cheap CV3's
>> are!
>>
>> 2. USA Finds: There seems to have been a flood of this
>> material over the
>> last few years - supply/demand. Exceptions would include
>> ultra-rare irons,
>> rare localities, or old labels/provenance.
>>
>> 3. Planetaries: I'm not entirely sure what is happening
>> here, but Lunars and
>> Martians could be purchased very cheap (in bulk) in Tucson.
>> Perhaps supply
>> has overgrown demand. $1000/g planetaries are, for now, a
>> thing of the past.
>> I believe that they will re-bound in several years,
>> however, making them a
>> smart buy now.
>>
>> These three groups may also suffer more as a result of the
>> long-term
>> economic crisis as collectors begin prioritizing their
>> collections.
>>
>> I have been keeping a pretty close eye on this and it seems
>> that eBay, for
>> the most part, is not the place to sell right now. The
>> upside is that eBay
>> has some great bargains for buyers. As a result, I predict
>> that more sellers
>> will discontinue the .99 cent selling format and begin
>> using fixed prices on
>> eBay.
>>
>> I also get the sense that some dealers are hoarding and/or
>> are on selling
>> freezes. I haven't purchased much in the last few
>> months only because there
>> is little for sale that suits my collection requirements.
>> It will be
>> interesting to see where things are in February at Tucson.
>>
>> Just my opinion and personal observations... Others'
>> may be different and I
>> look forward to more posts on this topic.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mike Bandli
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On
>> Behalf Of al
>> mitterling
>> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:09 PM
>> To: Michael L Blood; michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com; Meteorite
>> List
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with
>> the stock market?
>>
>> Hi Michael, Michael, Matt and all,
>>
>> My sells have been very good this year even a good
>> percentage over last
>> years sells.
>>
>> --AL Mitterling
>> Mitterling Meteorites
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
>> To: <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite
>> List"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with
>> the stock market?
>>
>>
>> > Hi Michael and all,
>> >        No, you are not the only one. Aside from some
>> outstanding
>> > Mali specimens at rock bottom prices (pun intended),
>> my sales
>> > Are zero since the Democrats fiasco has begun.
>> >        More in the Nov. Meteorite Market Trends....
>> >        (howsabout others???)
>> >        Best wishes, Michael
>> >
>> > on 10/12/08 9:27 AM, Michael Gilmer at
>> michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Has anyone else noticed a steep drop in sales
>> since the stock market and
>> >> credit market woes began?
>> >>
>> >> My sales this month, so far, have bottomed out.
>> It's the worst first two
>> >> weeks of a month, for sales, since
>> >> I started dealing meteorites in January of this
>> year.
>> >>
>> >> At first, I thought it was just a normal
>> "hiccup" in sales, which happens
>>
>> >> from
>> >> time to time.  But as my
>> >> sale offers languish without a single response, I
>> am now starting to
>> >> wonder.
>> >> Is anyone else experiencing
>> >> this, or is it just me because I have a
>> relatively-small customer base?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> MikeG
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> .........................................................
>> >> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>> >> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>> >> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>> >> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
>> http://www.glassthrower.com
>> >> MySpace -
>> http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
>> >>
>> ..........................................................
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ______________________________________________
>> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >>
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >
>> > Totally Green by Twenty Eighteen!
>> >
>> > Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail
>> Out"):
>> > http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________
>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >
>> >
>>
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>>
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From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 01:48:12 2008
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:48:12 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
Message-ID: <BAY113-W40FFA1B0E3F9601408C41A2360@phx.gbl>


I don't see meteorites as a tangible asset. Tangible of course. Asset, iffy. Maybe it's because I don't have an enormous investment in them. 

As rare as they are, the intrinsic value is only as great as the number of people that place a great esoteric value in them. That number dwindles when mortgages and savings crash. 

A commodity dedicated to the dedicated but never a safe harbor. Have fun and buy smart.

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From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Oct 13 02:01:57 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:01:57 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-W40FFA1B0E3F9601408C41A2360@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY113-W40FFA1B0E3F9601408C41A2360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <eso5f4t6s3gjfgdjna247rd8u4qbh4n9k3@4ax.com>

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:48:12 -0500, you wrote:

>
>As rare as they are, the intrinsic value is only as great as the number of people that place a great esoteric value in them. That number dwindles when mortgages and savings crash. 
>

Reminds me of an article on the stock market from yesterday:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,436435,00.html

"It's in people's minds," Shiller explains. "We're just recording a measure of
what people think the stock market is worth. What the people who are willing to
trade today ? who are very, very few people ? are actually trading at. So we're
just extrapolating that and thinking, well, maybe that's what everyone thinks
it's worth."

Works the same way for meteorites, I'd say.

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 02:30:28 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:30:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-W40FFA1B0E3F9601408C41A2360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <215588.62985.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is true that meteorites might be low priority during hard times, however, a tangible asset is any object which can be held, enjoyed, and money can buy. I can see someone enjoying a rare artifact or meteorite a lot more than holding a wad of cash, not something you can look at and wonder about. Of course, if the world falls into utter chaos, then meteorites will be of low interest, however, that won't happen, and rare objects will always hold a value. 
I tell you this, and all of you would likely agree, I have a large pallasite sitting on my desk, valued at over $25,000. I sure enjoy it, hold it, behold it, and wonder about it. Try that with a $25,000 papar that says you own 1000 shares of XYZ Wall Street financial company. Those can now be used as toilet paper, not much else. This meteorite will be here long after I am gone, in a musuem, or another private collection. It will always be something of interest. Hard times come and they go. Imagine if you had bought a Pasamonte stone in 1935 or so, that was during the dust bowl, and great depression, and people likely thought Nininger was a nut, paying money for black rocks! Well, those same stones now are worth thousands or tens of thousands each. 
My money is one space rocks to outperform the DOW for the next 10 years or so. Now, if I had millions to spare.................. There are some beaten down stocks, but too risky these days.
Michael Farmer


--- On Sun, 10/12/08, bill kies <parkforestmet at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: bill kies <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 11:48 PM
> I don't see meteorites as a tangible asset. Tangible of
> course. Asset, iffy. Maybe it's because I don't have
> an enormous investment in them. 
> 
> As rare as they are, the intrinsic value is only as great
> as the number of people that place a great esoteric value in
> them. That number dwindles when mortgages and savings crash.
> 
> 
> A commodity dedicated to the dedicated but never a safe
> harbor. Have fun and buy smart.
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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From illaenus at wp.pl  Mon Oct 13 03:10:33 2008
From: illaenus at wp.pl (Tomasz Jakubowski)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:10:33 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Zag
Message-ID: <48f2f469188ed9.93096988@wp.pl>

Hello

I decide to low my price of Zag to 1$/g.
Zag - 2665 grams, about 45% of very fresh fusion crust (one
side have flow lines). Great visible breccioation.
>From geological point of view it is really interesting piece, showing
clearly two system of fracture (visible slickensiedes and linear
minerals on his surface).
Photos :
http://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/Zag2665Grams
It is great change to buy such big, fresh pieces of Zag.

Please write to illaenus at gmail.com


Kind Regards
Tomasz Jakubowski
IMCA  #2321


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From zneutronz at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 05:12:58 2008
From: zneutronz at aol.com (zneutronz at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:12:58 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] donation sale
Message-ID: <8CAFB2B051E86C3-4C0-B88@webmail-dd13.sysops.aol.com>


hi all !

as we really need this money for our help project, please give a bid  !!

i will sell for good prices,


still avaiable :

- NWA4925, shergottite, 1.956g, partslice
- Dhofar 310, lunar, 0.352g
- NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut
- NWA4483 lunar, 2.559g, partslice




Chiang Khan 63.4g, oriented 100% crust, individual is SOLD
Chiang Khan 27.5g is SOLD

 see these specimens here

http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/

regards, oliver



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From mlblood at cox.net  Mon Oct 13 07:42:29 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:42:29 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Kevin Kichinka's report - The Economy and the
 Price of Meteorites - Do You Really Want to Know?
In-Reply-To: <5bb98d570810121952g4e476a86l4e737f47359f712a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5188235.1ACD2%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi all,
        You can read a review of Kevin's report (mentioned below)
in my column in the current METEORITE TIMES or directly via:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MMT.html

        Best wishes, Michael



on 10/12/08 7:52 PM, Kevin Kichinka at marsrox at gmail.com wrote:

> There's a thread today concerning meteorite prices, the economy and
> the present meteorite market.
> 
> In September I offered here my "Global Meteorite Price Report - 2008".
> I've sold quite a few, they've gone out to people in twenty-seven
> different countries, and many were to collectors who purchased the
> first report in February, 2007. I assume that means that they found
> the report useful or they wouldn't have purchased it again.
> 
> A few dealers have also purchased and/or re-purchased the report, and
> these are people who I consider to be very serious about selling
> meteorites. They probably would prefer that you DON'T KNOW the price
> of meteorites. As for the rest of those dealing mets, if you don't
> know what the competition is asking for a meteorite, there's a good
> chance you are too high (and losing sales), or to low (and losing
> money.)  Realistically, few dealers have the time to keep up with the
> price trend of every rock in their inventory. I offer here that
> service.
> 
> Quite frankly, the meteorite market is so confused, and always has
> been, endless opportunities exist for collectors to locate and
> purchase bargain material of all kinds. In the process of compiling
> and creating this report, I located historic falls, Mars and rare
> lithologies that were grossly under priced. Wouldn't you want to know
> about this?
> 
> I trade stocks these days, and I need all the information I can
> harvest. In equities and bonds, there are endless sources. For today's
> meteorite prices, I humbly assert that I am your only qualified,
> unbiased, experienced source. No one else is doing what I have done,
> and it is a massive project sold inexpensively to benefit all.
> Additionally, ten percent goes toward my charitable donation to
> astronomers in La Paz, Bolivia.
> 
> Here's the advertisement I submitted a couple of weeks ago. "The
> Global Meteorite Price Report - 2008" might be the best $11 you spend
> this month. - K
> 
> ******************************************************************************
> ****************************************************************************
> Dear List Members:
> 
> 
> Every year since 1995 I have prepared a report to estimate the value
> of each meteorite in my collection. This is done by painstakingly
> visiting every legitimate dealer website. The results of these surveys
> have become a true "snapshot" of each year's market prices.
> 
> 
> Last year, I realized that this type of information might interest
> other collectors and dealers. After adding value by identifying and
> interpreting price trends, I shared the data by selling it
> inexpensively on the Internet. The 2007 "Global Meteorite Price
> Report" was limited to the eight-five meteorites within my collection,
> but was instantly popular and the feedback I received was very
> supportive.
> 
> 
> This year, to better serve the meteorite community I have expanded the
> report to include many other popular meteorites beyond those held in
> my personal collection. There are now 121 different meteorites (plus a
> few of their permutations). I would have included more, but at least
> one hundred historic or well-known meteorites that were on my search
> list are not currently being offered for sale ? rare birds indeed.
> 
> 
> This fourteen-page document contains three years worth of price data,
> July, 2005, February, 2007 and September, 2008, so that price trends
> among the meteorites you own can be identified. Actually, I do it for
> you.
> 
> 
> My methodology is explained, and following the price list comparisons,
> there is my "State of the Market Report" with "Market News", "Impact
> of Dealer Competition", "Individual Meteorites of Note" and I
> introduce a new concept to meteorites called "Tiered Pricing."
> 
> 
> Breaking up the prose are many color photos of meteorites and related
> items never or rarely seen before and select meteorite microscopy
> works by the vanguard in this field, Tom Phillips.
> 
> 
> But there's more. Did you ever wonder if you shared first names with a
> meteorite? As a fun addition, I have included a two-page list of
> meteorite names compiled from Monica Grady's latest version of "The
> Catalogue of Meteorites" that are also "people names". Anyone named
> Mike in the audience? You have a meteorite.
> 
> 
> Anyone owning my book (see www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com) that
> enjoys my writing style will want this report. Anyone trying to
> understand the effects of the world's slowing economy on their
> collection's value will want this report. Any dealer wondering how his
> prices stack up against the competition will want this report.
> 
> 
> The price is $11 payable on PAYPAL by visiting MARSROX at gmail.com
> The lucky eleventh dollar will be used to enhance my charitable
> donation of astronomy books to the Planetarium Dr. Max Schreier in La
> Paz, Bolivia, in support of their large meteorite collection donated
> by Blaine Reed.
> 
> 
> Upon receipt of your funds, "The Global Meteorite Price Report" - 2008
> and the "Meteorite/People Names" will be transmitted within 24 hours
> in an email as attached Adobe pdf docs. They're highly "printer
> friendly" and you will want to keep them among your meteorite files.
> I look forward to sharing this information. You will enjoy the
> journey. Thank you.
> 
> 
> Kevin Kichinka
> MARSROX at gmail.com
> www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com
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From mlblood at cox.net  Mon Oct 13 08:07:40 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:07:40 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-W40FFA1B0E3F9601408C41A2360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C518881C.1ACD5%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi again,
        ALL "investments" are "iffy" - with one
And only one exception: gold.
        Gold is the oldest "currency" throughout
History of most cultures. In fact, "money" generally
Has no meaning whatsoever except as it relates to
Gold - how much gold will a dollar/peso/yen/ruple/pound, etc
Buy? 
        The bottom line is, gold, itself, never changes value -
Currencies change value in relationship to gold.
        That being said, I would never, ever buy gold during
A depression or even a recession. The time to buy gold is
When the "value" of the dollar (or whatever currency) is
"strong" (relative to gold). Then sell it when the nit wits
Panic and the "price" of gold is through the ceiling. (of
Course, ideally, one has enough $ to always keep about
20% of all one's wealth in gold in case the whole damned
Racket goes to hell.
        However, as we can now see around the world, the world's
governments are just going to print more Monopoly money
until solvency is reached. These days, gold is not used
exclusively, rather a cartel of bankers daily decide
What each currency is "worth" relative to each of the other
World currencies "for that day." Weird. Tricky Dicky (Nixon
For you younger readers) was key in propelling this system
To its current level when he stopped backing US dollars with
Gold. Terribly ironic is the fact that that may now serve to
Keep this all from turning into Mad Max.
        It is their monopoly game, so, they will just make sure
it all keeps going. A depression doesn't make anyone richer -
even the filthy rich and titans of the oil industries (who have
more sway than any country). They now play a role as powerful
As the Church from the Dark Ages well into the "age of
Exploration."
        Likewise, now is a TERRIBLE time to sell most stocks.
Now is the time to BUY most stock - when it is cheap. A great
Many millionaires made their money doing just that.
        I have a friend that has hundreds of millions of dollars
Of Microsoft Shares. Many years back one of his son's called
Him and said, "Gee, dad, I am really sorry about how much
You lost last week." He said, "What are you talking about?"
And his son told him his stock had fallen 195 million dollars
The previous week. He responded, "Son, I didn't loose one penny.
You only loose if you sell when the stock is down. I am not worried,
It will be back up whether it is a few weeks, a few months or a
Few years doesn't matter. I have no intention of selling when it
Is down." 
        Interesting lesson I learned that day.
        Anyway, just a couple of  points of interest.
        Best wishes, Michael

on 10/12/08 10:48 PM, bill kies at parkforestmet at hotmail.com wrote:

> 
> I don't see meteorites as a tangible asset. Tangible of course. Asset, iffy.
> Maybe it's because I don't have an enormous investment in them.
> 
> As rare as they are, the intrinsic value is only as great as the number of
> people that place a great esoteric value in them. That number dwindles when
> mortgages and savings crash.
> 
> A commodity dedicated to the dedicated but never a safe harbor. Have fun and
> buy smart.
> 
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From vs.petrovich at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 08:30:34 2008
From: vs.petrovich at gmail.com (Sergey Vasiliev)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:30:34 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auctions ending
Message-ID: <LCELIFLDMGKFPKOAIBKOMECAENAA.vs.petrovich@gmail.com>

Hello List,

I have some nice ebay auctions starting to end from tomorrow for the next
few days.

1. VERY BIG Dar al Gani 400 (ALUN-A) slice, 2.439 g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200261513370

2. Big, museum size slice of Ozernoe (L6) 1122 g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190257723925

3. Very nice Moldavite from Hlum, Czech Republic 12.3g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200261462383

4. Etched 48.5g end cut of Mundrabilla:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190257914260

5. Divnoe (ACUNGR) - 0.32g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200261462414

6. Verkhnyi Saltov (IIIAB) 20.4 g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190257922581

7. Yurtuk (AHOW) - 1.34g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190257945020

8. Lance (CO3.5) - 0.214 g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200261513318

9. Elenovka (L5) - 1.42 g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200261513347

10. Arroyo Aguiar (H5) - 4.12 g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190257948539

11. Vyatka (H4) - 52.5 g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190257955844

12. Koltsovo (H4) - 12.94 g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190257955860

13. Historical Tennasilm (L4) - 1.30g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190258195292

14. Historical Kernouve (H6) - 0.285g:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190258195316

Old rare Russian book "Meteorites". Krinov E.L. 1948:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200261494710

All items:
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/svassiliev

Thanks!
Sergey

-----------------------------------------
Sergey Vasiliev
U Dalnice 839,
Prague 5, 15500
Czech Republic
------------------------------------------
http://www.sv-meteorites.com
http://impactites.net
http://systematic-mineralogy.com


From nwa482 at comcast.net  Mon Oct 13 08:50:20 2008
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:50:20 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
Message-ID: <0104052FD0A047A1A9769B560F1390D9@DJQVK441>

>From my perspective, since early this summer, sales of small items have been 
down.  Large sales have been up, more than compensating in the drop of small 
sale volume.

Many sales can not be tracked or put into a nice little analysis of prices 
by third parties.  For example, we had NWA 2995 lunar sliced last year.  I 
have NEVER advertised a full slice for sale on my website, only stating that 
they were available and to email me.
(see bottom of page: 
http://www.catchafallingstar.com/nwa2995/nwa2995sale.htm for example) 
However, I have sold 9 complete slices since we had the meteorite cut 
roughly 14 months ago.  No third party was aware of these sales for 
tracking.  In fact the latest full slice was sold the end of September, 
right in the middle of this Stock Market meltdown, at full retail I might 
add.

Over the years I have sold many LARGE items out of my collection without 
advertising them for sale just because someone saw a photo in my gallery of 
meteorites on my website and made an offer I could not refuse.  Again, sales 
under the radar.

I think that the sellers of smaller items will see a disproportionate 
reduction in sales.  The lower $ meteorite buyer is getting hurt the most in 
this financial crisis, the rich will always be rich because they have the 
inside track in protecting their investments, (hedging, short selling etc.). 
The poor working guy just puts his money in a mutual fund and lets it ride 
with out complicated investment protection tools.

I have been 100% out of the stock market since summer of 2007, thank 
goodness.  You just had to know the end was near when TV shows like "Flip 
this House" were popular.....Some 20 something buys a "fixer upper" in 
California for half a million $ puts in a hundred grand of improvements and 
sells it for 800 grand a couple months later to some poor slob that got a 
loan with no down payment'?  Someone was bound to be holding the bag sooner 
or later.

Give me HIGH QUALITY tangible assets any day, antiques, collectables, GOLD, 
etc (of course meteorites too)

--
Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV 26038

Catch a Falling Star Meteorites
http://www.catchafallingstar.com


From psc2410xi at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 09:32:05 2008
From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:32:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
In-Reply-To: <eso5f4t6s3gjfgdjna247rd8u4qbh4n9k3@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <323348.11089.qm@web59303.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I guess I will consider the source on that one.  FAUX newz?

Don Rawlings


--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 2:01 AM
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:48:12 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> >
> >As rare as they are, the intrinsic value is only as
> great as the number of people that place a great esoteric
> value in them. That number dwindles when mortgages and
> savings crash. 
> >
> 
> Reminds me of an article on the stock market from
> yesterday:
> 
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,436435,00.html
> 
> "It's in people's minds," Shiller
> explains. "We're just recording a measure of
> what people think the stock market is worth. What the
> people who are willing to
> trade today ? who are very, very few people ? are
> actually trading at. So we're
> just extrapolating that and thinking, well, maybe
> that's what everyone thinks
> it's worth."
> 
> Works the same way for meteorites, I'd say.
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From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Oct 13 10:35:03 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:35:03 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
In-Reply-To: <323348.11089.qm@web59303.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <eso5f4t6s3gjfgdjna247rd8u4qbh4n9k3@4ax.com>
	<323348.11089.qm@web59303.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9um6f4hicf0mkn1ojv9vg70lklopgit9ef@4ax.com>

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:32:05 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>I guess I will consider the source on that one.  FAUX newz?
>

Okay, here's a link directly to the same article on it's original source, The
Associated Press.  That change the article any?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gl-1AKGRHw1u8slb3HtUWrc9P16AD93ODGF00

From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 11:42:14 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:42:14 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Micrograph Talk
Message-ID: <ca0.3f387ae9.3624c656@aol.com>

Hi list,  

Last week I offered a  micrograph in full size to any one who wanted it.  It 
was a beauty of NWA  969 (LL7)and was about 3 mb in size.  Since then, with 
the help of Paul  Harris (Meteorite Times) and Jeff Krosschell, I have changed 
cameras to a Nikon  CoolPix 8mp and have learned about mega pixels and mega 
bytes.  (It's not  that the learning curve is so steep, it's that I'm so dense) 

I would  appreciate any one who is interested in this stuff or just curious 
to let me  know what they think.  I have an image taken of the same feature 
(for  comparison) with this new set up.  

I can send it embedded in an  email, (the image size will be reduced).  I 
also have a 7.3 mb JPEG file or  a 12.7 mb PNG file.

If you are interested, let me know which you would  like.  Most attempts to 
send the PNG file have resulted in the returned  email notice due to the size 
being to big but that depends on your Internet  account. 

On a side note, Jeff Krosschell might not sound familiar to  some of you.  He 
is a meteorite collector and dealer.  In addition to  his own inventory he 
and his wife Malia are handling Adam Hupe's  inventory.  The thin sections I 
have been working on were sent to me by  Jeff and are out of Adam's stock.  I 
have examined 5 of these thin sections  and I can say the quality is superb 
(believe me, I have seen good and  bad!).  Jeff will be selling these thin 
sections.  He can be reached  at jeffkrosschell at comcast.net 

Thanks,  Tom Phillips  

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From valparint at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 12:32:31 2008
From: valparint at aol.com (valparint at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:32:31 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock
Message-ID: <F0PBX61TgetZ3G9yTWp000004a2@f0pbx61.vpoffsiteweb.local>

Hey Captain Blood,

Is the "Bush fiasco" you refer to the one started by the Democrats with 
their Community Reinvestment Act, aka the Lending Standards Reduction Act, 
or the one caused by the budgets that were passed by Congress, that august 
body that has half the approval rating of the President?

Paul Swartz

>>>>
Hi Michael and all,
        No, you are not the only one. Aside from some outstanding
Mali specimens at rock bottom prices (pun intended), my sales
Are zero since the Bush fiasco has begun.
        More in the Nov. Meteorite Market Trends....
        (howsabout others???)
        Best wishes, Michael [Blood]
>>>>


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Mon Oct 13 12:51:11 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:51:11 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Antique Thin-Sections
Message-ID: <20081013165118.3B82810591@mailwash5.pair.com>

Good Morning List,

I am looking to purchase original antique meteorite thin-sections (pre-20th
century) that are in good condition and well labeled. I am not looking for
new thin sections of old meteorites. If you have some available, please
contact me privately.

Thanks you!

Mike Bandli




From jkgwilliam at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 13:15:20 2008
From: jkgwilliam at gmail.com (John Gwilliam)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:15:20 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock
In-Reply-To: <F0PBX61TgetZ3G9yTWp000004a2@f0pbx61.vpoffsiteweb.local>
References: <F0PBX61TgetZ3G9yTWp000004a2@f0pbx61.vpoffsiteweb.local>
Message-ID: <87bccee0810131015qfa0c2c8h1c80280f6721e799@mail.gmail.com>

We can point finger in all directions and blame a whole basket full of
politicians, business leaders and everyone and anyone else.  One thing
we need to address ( in my uneducated opinion) is the over spending by
the regular folks on Main street.  It used to be people saved up
enough money until they had a 20% down payment for a house and only
used credit for other items like a vehicle (not two or three) and
education.  These days, many of us citizens make purchases on credit
that we really can't afford.  after all, why do we put "thing" on our
credit cards?  Because we don't have the cash. Optimistically, we
always believe our financial outlook will be brighter in the future
and we'll be able to pay off the credit card quickly.  Sadly, it's
that's usually not the case.

Those of you who are my age (56) or older might remember the "lay
away" plan that many department stores used to have.  You went into
the store every week or two and paid five or tens bucks on an item
they were holding for you.  When you paid for the item in full, they
handed it to you and you had a brand new "thing" - a washer, dryer or
bike for one of your kids.  Nowdays, we put the "thing" on a credit
card and by the time most of us get it paid off the "thing" is worn
out or dead and gone.

It's time for all of us to take a hard look at our spending
habits...along with who we vote into office and how we use our money.

Sure, we're in a big mess.  But if everyone learns from this mistake
we can all be doing better down the road weither it's in one year or
five years.

Best,

John Gwilliam

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 9:32 AM,  <valparint at aol.com> wrote:
> Hey Captain Blood,
>
> Is the "Bush fiasco" you refer to the one started by the Democrats with
> their Community Reinvestment Act, aka the Lending Standards Reduction Act,
> or the one caused by the budgets that were passed by Congress, that august
> body that has half the approval rating of the President?
>
> Paul Swartz
>
>>>>>
> Hi Michael and all,
>        No, you are not the only one. Aside from some outstanding
> Mali specimens at rock bottom prices (pun intended), my sales
> Are zero since the Bush fiasco has begun.
>        More in the Nov. Meteorite Market Trends....
>        (howsabout others???)
>        Best wishes, Michael [Blood]
>>>>>
>
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>

From jnbran at verizon.net  Mon Oct 13 13:16:32 2008
From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:16:32 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
In-Reply-To: <187401.33603.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <187401.33603.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C12561CFE1E42F6B568CEB0E58589F9@AcerPC>

Hello List,
I have to agree with Mike in regards to the planetary material because they
span well beyond the meteorite collecting community and spill over into the
general public who thinks it is just cool to have a piece of the Moon or
Mars.  I also feel that the grouping we are going to miss very soon is the
pallasites.  We went for a few years with having several at prices that are
less per gram than a pack of gum and now there is no great abundance of them
for sale.  We have really been blessed over the past several years.

Take Care,
Jason
Rocks from Heaven
www.rocksfromheaven.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: "'al mitterling'" <almitt at kconline.com>; "'Michael L Blood'" 
<mlblood at cox.net>; <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>; "'Meteorite List'" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Mike Bandli" <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?



Hello everyone.
My take.

Prices are up, business is way up for me, this has been my best year yet. I 
disagree on the planetary material, my prices have been up and sales 
increasing. Supply is down, rare stuff  (NON-NWA) is scarce, and you are 
right, we are hoarding stuff. My safe is full of flats of falls, 
Bassikounou, Chergach, Thuathe etc, I will not sell them, just keep them for 
much later.
Meteorites are a better place for your money than the market! The insane 
collapse of the world markets prove once again that owning tangible assets 
always pays better than worthless paper.
Michael Farmer

--- On Sun, 10/12/08, Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock 
> market?
> To: "'al mitterling'" <almitt at kconline.com>, "'Michael L Blood'" 
> <mlblood at cox.net>, michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com, "'Meteorite List'" 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 4:24 PM
> At this point in time, my view is that the economic crisis
> has had little
> immediate effect on the meteorite market. My observation
> has been that
> historical and older witnessed falls continue to rise and
> sell quickly
> (especially from the Old-World). More and more
> rare/historical falls are
> reaching the $100+ a gram price, whereas a few years ago
> they were 'only'
> $50/g. I believe there are several reasons for this:
>
> 1. Less museums and institutions are exchanging historical
> material.
>
> 2. More historical material is being sectioned down into
> smaller pieces and
> macros making them more expensive (and larger pieces
> difficult to find).
>
> 3. I believe that more and more collectors are aspiring to
> collect
> historical falls.
>
> 4. Hard Provenance. Provenance can add exceptional value to
> a piece and more
> and more dealers are providing it pre-sale. (copies of old
> museum or
> collector labels, chain of ownership, etc.).
>
> On the other hand Dessert Finds, USA finds, and planetaries
> are cheap and
> seem to be on a small decline. I believe there are several
> reasons for this
> as well:
>
> 1. Dessert Finds: Many collectors have filled their
> type-collections making
> otherwise rare types a little less desirable. Exceptions
> would be extremely
> fresh material, new sub-types, or aesthetic pieces. Look
> how cheap CV3's
> are!
>
> 2. USA Finds: There seems to have been a flood of this
> material over the
> last few years - supply/demand. Exceptions would include
> ultra-rare irons,
> rare localities, or old labels/provenance.
>
> 3. Planetaries: I'm not entirely sure what is happening
> here, but Lunars and
> Martians could be purchased very cheap (in bulk) in Tucson.
> Perhaps supply
> has overgrown demand. $1000/g planetaries are, for now, a
> thing of the past.
> I believe that they will re-bound in several years,
> however, making them a
> smart buy now.
>
> These three groups may also suffer more as a result of the
> long-term
> economic crisis as collectors begin prioritizing their
> collections.
>
> I have been keeping a pretty close eye on this and it seems
> that eBay, for
> the most part, is not the place to sell right now. The
> upside is that eBay
> has some great bargains for buyers. As a result, I predict
> that more sellers
> will discontinue the .99 cent selling format and begin
> using fixed prices on
> eBay.
>
> I also get the sense that some dealers are hoarding and/or
> are on selling
> freezes. I haven't purchased much in the last few
> months only because there
> is little for sale that suits my collection requirements.
> It will be
> interesting to see where things are in February at Tucson.
>
> Just my opinion and personal observations... Others'
> may be different and I
> look forward to more posts on this topic.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike Bandli
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On
> Behalf Of al
> mitterling
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:09 PM
> To: Michael L Blood; michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com; Meteorite
> List
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with
> the stock market?
>
> Hi Michael, Michael, Matt and all,
>
> My sells have been very good this year even a good
> percentage over last
> years sells.
>
> --AL Mitterling
> Mitterling Meteorites
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
> To: <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite
> List"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with
> the stock market?
>
>
> > Hi Michael and all,
> >        No, you are not the only one. Aside from some
> outstanding
> > Mali specimens at rock bottom prices (pun intended),
> my sales
> > Are zero since the Democrats fiasco has begun.
> >        More in the Nov. Meteorite Market Trends....
> >        (howsabout others???)
> >        Best wishes, Michael
> >
> > on 10/12/08 9:27 AM, Michael Gilmer at
> michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone else noticed a steep drop in sales
> since the stock market and
> >> credit market woes began?
> >>
> >> My sales this month, so far, have bottomed out.
> It's the worst first two
> >> weeks of a month, for sales, since
> >> I started dealing meteorites in January of this
> year.
> >>
> >> At first, I thought it was just a normal
> "hiccup" in sales, which happens
>
> >> from
> >> time to time.  But as my
> >> sale offers languish without a single response, I
> am now starting to
> >> wonder.
> >> Is anyone else experiencing
> >> this, or is it just me because I have a
> relatively-small customer base?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> MikeG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> .........................................................
> >> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> >> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> >> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> >> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
> http://www.glassthrower.com
> >> MySpace -
> http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> >>
> ..........................................................
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Mon Oct 13 14:16:01 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:16:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rare Thin Sections - AD
Message-ID: <D9C26883AC85496FA11D752C41717189@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

In our ever-evolving collections, Adam and I make available to collectors 
rare and hard to get specimens. Today's 'focus' is on a selection of thin 
sections from some of the rarest meteorites known. These are on a first come 
basis, or highest offers may be considered if the asking price is not 
realized.

Slides measure 47mm x 27mm. Specimen measurements are of actual meteorite 
material mounted to slide. These are very generous sizes considering the 
rarity of the material.

* NWA 482 #1 Lunar  - $1,000.00
21mm x 16mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/thinsections/nwa482-1.jpg

* NWA 482 #2 Lunar - $1,000.00
21mm x 16mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/thinsections/nwa482-2.jpg

NWA 516 Winoniate - $300.00
8mm x 11mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/thinsections/nwa516.jpg

NWA 998 Martian Nakhlite - $600.00
8mm x 9mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/thinsections/nwa998.jpg

NWA 2058 Pseudotachylite (carbon coated) - $100.00
23mm x 10mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/thinsections/nwa2058.jpg

Grein 004 Ungrouped - $500.00
10mm x 8mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/thinsections/grein.jpg

Itqiy Ungrouped Primitive Enstatite - $500.00
13mm x 7mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/thinsections/itqiy.jpg

Zag(b) Ungrouped - $500.00
15mm x 9mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/thinsections/zag(b).jpg

NWA 3151 Brachinite - $250.00
28mm x 16mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/thinsections/nwa3151.jpg

* Both NWA 482 thin section slides are "covered - for protection, removable" 
whereas the rest are "uncovered".

Please email me off list if you are interested in any of these 
extraordinarily scarce thin sections.

Best regards, and "Thank You" for considering these!
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault





From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct 13 14:50:26 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:50:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid Blast May Have Thwarted Life on Mars
Message-ID: <200810131850.LAA02467@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4882708.ece

Asteroid blast may have thwarted life on Mars
Jonathan Leake
The Sunday Times (United Kingdom)
October 5, 2008

A giant asteroid could have destroyed Mars' chances of evolving into an
Earth-like blue planet by punching a hole in its crust so large that it
damaged the red planet's magnetic field, scientists have found.

Earth's magnetic field, generated by molten iron moving in its core,
deflects radiation that would otherwise blast its atmosphere into space.

Scientists have long been puzzled why Mars lacks a similar field, but
measurements from an orbiting spacecraft may have provided an answer.
They have found intense magnetic anomalies affecting surface rocks all
over Mars' southern hemisphere. These appear to be remnants of a field
that once embraced the whole planet.

Such anomalies are absent from the northern hemisphere, suggesting
something happened to change the planet's magnetic field in the distant
past. This fits with another Mars oddity, that the rocks are much
thinner in the northern hemisphere than in the south, a phenomenon known
as the "crustal dichotomy".

"The evidence suggests that a giant impact early in the planet's history
could have disrupted the molten core, changing the circulation and
affecting the magnetic field," said Sabine Stanley, assistant professor
of physics at the University of Toronto, whose research was just published.

Mars is believed to have formed, along with Earth and the rest of the
solar system, about 4.6 billion years ago from the clumping together of
rocks and other debris left over from the formation of the sun.

As the embryonic planets grew larger, the rocks at their cores melted
and fused, allowing heavier elements, especially iron, to sink to the
centre. The iron, kept molten by radioactive elements, began to move,
generating magnetic fields around both planets.

It had been thought that Mars' core cooled down simply because the red
planet is only half the size of Earth, but this was undermined by the
recent discovery that Mercury, the innermost planet which is even
smaller, has a molten core and magnetic field.

"We know Mars had a magnetic field which disappeared about 4 billion
years ago and that this happened around the same time that the crustal
dichotomy appeared, which is a possible link to an asteroid impact,"
Stanley said.

Perhaps the biggest question is what might have happened had Mars
retained its magnetic field - and whether it might have evolved life.

Monica Grady, professor of planetary and space sciences at the Open
University, said: "Mars once had a much thicker atmosphere along with
standing water and a magnetic field, so it would have been a very
different place to the dry barren planet we see today.'
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From daistiho at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 15:06:29 2008
From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:06:29 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] I don't think you would like to be sitting here...
Message-ID: <BAY115-W17383A8CEC267F21AF0125CA360@phx.gbl>


How come the Germans get all the clever ads?

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/12/insurance-from-the-skies/

Best!
Tracy Latimer

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From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 15:07:04 2008
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
In-Reply-To: <0104052FD0A047A1A9769B560F1390D9@DJQVK441>
Message-ID: <787106.46812.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I havent seen the usual september jump in ebay and internet sales this year but I have been busy with the shop and havent listed much stuff so I cant complain and sales have been good. There are plenty of new meteorite collectors driving the market and  I dont see a slowdown in sales and everything is OK here.
I do see some longer term (So called serious) collectors still with their head in the sand believing that all this talk about the desert being hunted out and fewer meteorites being found is nothing more than marketing by dealers. This even though if you look on ebay prices are up and quality way down and there has been much much fewer meteorites at denver, tucson, munich and st marie for 3 years now. No moroccans go to these shows with huge tables of meteorites anymore and they are slowly going back to concentrating on fossil sales because they cant get enough meteorites to have much of a display. New better items are notable absent. 6 years ago new achondrites and Cs were almost a weekly occurance. Everything from the low grade junk to top of the line achondrites are in short supply nowadays.
I still think that prices cant go lower and that the smart buyers are buying for investment right now. The only exception is that I still think that lunars and martians and other expensive meteorites are overpriced and have room to fall. However, I have been saying that for 3 years now and the increased quantities necessary hasnt materialized and only a small trickle of the better achondrites are not keeping up with demand and if I have figured out how the moroccans operate there dont seem to be quantities stashed away in morocco. I wasnt offered much more after buying 300 grams of the shergotite two years ago for example. So maybe the lunars and martians have bottomed out in price also. I dont see floods anyway and if institutions pick up the buying pace there will be a massive shortage of these types of meteorites.
So I dont see a real drop off in sales recently and (For me anyway) finding stuff to buy is a more difficult job than finding customers to buy my meteorites.
Sincerely
DEAN
www.meteoriteshop.com  






      

From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 15:31:33 2008
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:31:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
In-Reply-To: <215588.62985.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <931841.62687.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I guess its all how you define tangible assets. If you are a bank with subprime mortgages selling them might be an issue right now.
If you have meteorites though there is a good market - even if you have to take a bit of a loss if you have to sell quickly.
As most of you know I sell a lot of other stuff (Stamps, coins, pearls, gemstones, rocks, jewlery fossils ect) so I see a lot of collectibles.
Any old time stamp dealer will tell you that recessions is the best type of economy for stamp dealers (Except maybe those trying to sell stamps as "investments") so recessions dont necessarily mean people stop feeding their  hobbies. On the contrary, they may have more time or might want something that makes them happy.
Remember to that this "economic downturn" is caused predominately by people buying houses that they could not afford to pay for - partly because banks gave people low interest "teaser" rates for the first year and based their ability to pay on these lower interest rates. If you have been following the market (I used to be a stockbroker and have been missing the market the past few weeks) you will notice that interest rates have been massively slashed - probably down to or at least close to those earlier "teaser" interest rates. Eventually , when people pay more in interest than they do for their houses - people can afford to buy those houses again.
That along with a massive room for oil to fall further and I dont see a 1930s style depression like some pundents are almost gleefully predicting. A recession likely and a lot of wealthy stock investors taking a huge hit but this dont seem like the sky is falling. Anybody remember the 1980s and the savings and loan crises? Probably not as it was a non issue for the most part. However, during the time the so called S & L crises supposedly risked instigating a new depression and relegating the united states economy to third world status. Lots of people make money forcasting the end of the world (Makes better news than everybody being all happy). Remember James Dale Davidson and Sir William Rees-Mogg?
I dont see people stop buying meteorites. Especially with all of the space exploration going on creating interest in space I see no slowdown in the large numbers of new collectors currently getting into the meteorite market. I am pretty confident that one day in the (Not to) distant future people will be talking about how cheap meteorites were in the early 2000s and how good of an investemt they would have been at that time.
Of course that just my opinion. Lots of old time collectors have their head buried in the sand and believe that all this talk of drop in meteorite supply is just marketing by us meteorite dealers. Maybe they will eventually be proven right instead of me (Personally I cant see it happening though)
Cheers
DEAN
www.meteoriteshop.com
www.earthlytreasures.co.nz
 


      

From tbear1 at cableone.net  Mon Oct 13 15:31:37 2008
From: tbear1 at cableone.net (Ted Bunch)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:31:37 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock
In-Reply-To: <87bccee0810131015qfa0c2c8h1c80280f6721e799@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C518F029.80F6%tbear1@cableone.net>

Well said John! Probably one of the best summaries of why there is a credit
problem. A few months ago a news item came out that said the average credit
card balance was ~ $8000+. Add that to a car payment and the mortgage and it
is a no-brainer to understand Main Street's credit problem, which of course
led to the greed of lending institutions. There is "no cure for stupidity".

I went into Wal Mart yesterday for a flu shot and asked the stabber if she
had a vaccine for stupid and she said no, but wished she did "we could make
billions".

Ted Bunch


On 10/13/08 10:15 AM, "John Gwilliam" <jkgwilliam at gmail.com> wrote:

> We can point finger in all directions and blame a whole basket full of
> politicians, business leaders and everyone and anyone else.  One thing
> we need to address ( in my uneducated opinion) is the over spending by
> the regular folks on Main street.  It used to be people saved up
> enough money until they had a 20% down payment for a house and only
> used credit for other items like a vehicle (not two or three) and
> education.  These days, many of us citizens make purchases on credit
> that we really can't afford.  after all, why do we put "thing" on our
> credit cards?  Because we don't have the cash. Optimistically, we
> always believe our financial outlook will be brighter in the future
> and we'll be able to pay off the credit card quickly.  Sadly, it's
> that's usually not the case.
> 
> Those of you who are my age (56) or older might remember the "lay
> away" plan that many department stores used to have.  You went into
> the store every week or two and paid five or tens bucks on an item
> they were holding for you.  When you paid for the item in full, they
> handed it to you and you had a brand new "thing" - a washer, dryer or
> bike for one of your kids.  Nowdays, we put the "thing" on a credit
> card and by the time most of us get it paid off the "thing" is worn
> out or dead and gone.
> 
> It's time for all of us to take a hard look at our spending
> habits...along with who we vote into office and how we use our money.
> 
> Sure, we're in a big mess.  But if everyone learns from this mistake
> we can all be doing better down the road weither it's in one year or
> five years.
> 
> Best,
> 
> John Gwilliam
> 
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 9:32 AM,  <valparint at aol.com> wrote:
>> 



From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 16:28:46 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:28:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Very interesting NASA link for meteorites
In-Reply-To: <mailman.163.1223876894.67862.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <47439.82969.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi folks!

Please forgive me if this was posted already.

NASA unveiled this site back in July of this year and I have become hooked on it.  It's a searchable archive
of NASA's media works - photos, video, etc. Only recently did I use it to search for meteorites and the
results are 149 NASA images involving meteorites.

http://www.nasaimages.org

Go to the above link.  In the upper right hand corner of the page is a search box.  Type "meteorite" into
the box and enjoy the eye-candy results! :)

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................


      

From gsac at gmx.net  Mon Oct 13 16:30:12 2008
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:30:12 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
In-Reply-To: <931841.62687.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <931841.62687.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20081013203012.316030@gmx.net>

Hello Dean,

thank you for your remarks on the market situation - these are always welcome,  as I have learned over all those years that, besides you being a dealer, you are also a very good observer!  As well as some other insider friends of mine are, who did not yet raise their finger here.

> Of course that just my opinion. Lots of old time collectors have their
> head buried in the sand and believe that all this talk of drop in meteorite
> supply is just marketing by us meteorite dealers. Maybe they will eventually
> be proven right instead of me (Personally I cant see it happening though)

I gladly admit I am one of those "oldtimers", but I have no problems with this, why should I? I have a nice collection at hands, as many of my old time friends have, and no worries, other than may be this or that observation about new distributors of the rare stuff that come along, and pricing affairs: just let?s wait and see how things will evolve down the line, as time goes by - in the long run.  No hurries!

Our meteorites don?t care, so why should we? This economical crisis is BAD to almost  everyone (...me included, btw!), at least in the world of the more "privileged" persons, who are lucky enough to have a job and an income - the other ones on the planet have much worse problems! Then why not look at it from a more leisurely global perspective of ever changing events in space and time, knowing we are given only one, our life...

Alex
Berlin/Germany

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct 13 16:54:59 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:54:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA's Spitzer Gets Sneak Peak Inside Comet Holmes
Message-ID: <200810132054.NAA08409@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=1901

NASA's Spitzer Gets Sneak Peak Inside Comet Holmes
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
October 13, 2008

When comet Holmes unexpectedly erupted in 2007, professional and amateur
astronomers around the world turned their telescopes toward the
spectacular event. Their quest was to find out why the comet had
suddenly exploded.

Observations taken of the comet after the explosion by NASA's Spitzer
Space Telescope deepen the mystery, showing oddly behaving streamers in
the shell of dust surrounding the nucleus of the comet. The data also
offer a rare look at the material liberated from within the nucleus, and
confirm previous findings from NASA's Stardust and Deep Impact missions.

"The data we got from Spitzer do not look like anything we typically see
when looking at comets," said Bill Reach of NASA's Spitzer Science
Center at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, Calif. Reach
is lead investigator of the Spitzer observations. "The comet Holmes
explosion gave us a rare glimpse at the inside of a comet nucleus." The
findings were presented at the 40th meeting of the Division of Planetary
Sciences in Ithaca, N.Y.

Every six years, comet 17P/Holmes speeds away from Jupiter and heads
inward toward the sun, traveling the same route typically without
incident. However, twice in the last 116 years, in November 1892 and
October 2007, comet Holmes exploded as it approached the asteroid belt,
and brightened a million-fold overnight.

In an attempt to understand these odd occurrences, astronomers pointed
NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope at the comet in November 2007 and March
2008. By using Spitzer's infrared spectrograph instrument, Reach was
able to gain valuable insights into the composition of Holmes' solid
interior. Like a prism spreading visible-light into a rainbow, the
spectrograph breaks up infrared light from the comet into its component
parts, revealing the fingerprints of various chemicals.

In November of 2007, Reach noticed a lot of fine silicate dust, or
crystallized grains smaller than sand, like crushed gems. He noted that
this particular observation revealed materials similar to those seen
around other comets where grains have been treated violently, including
NASA's Deep Impact mission, which smashed a projectile into comet Tempel
1; NASA's Stardust mission, which swept particles from comet Wild 2 into
a collector at 13,000 miles per hour (21,000 kilometers per hour), and
the outburst of comet Hale-Bopp in 1995.

"Comet dust is very sensitive, meaning that the grains are very easily
destroyed, said Reach. "We think the fine silicates are produced in
these violent events by the destruction of larger particles originating
inside the comet nucleus."

When Spitzer observed the same portion of the comet again in March 2008,
the fine-grained silicate dust was gone and only larger particles were
present. "The March observation tells us that there is a very small
window for studying composition of comet dust after a violent event like
comet Holmes' outburst," said Reach.

Comet Holmes not only has unusual dusty components, it also does not
look like a typical comet. According to Jeremie Vaubaillon, a colleague
of Reach's at Caltech, pictures snapped from the ground shortly after
the outburst revealed streamers in the shell of dust surrounding the
comet. Scientists suspect they were produced after the explosion by
fragments escaping the comet's nucleus.

In November 2007, the streamers pointed away from the sun, which seemed
natural because scientists believed that radiation from the sun was
pushing these fragments straight back. However, when Spitzer imaged the
same streamers in March 2008, they were surprised to find them still
pointing in the same direction as five months before, even though the
comet had moved and sunlight was arriving from a different location. "We
have never seen anything like this in a comet before. The extended shape
still needs to be fully understood," said Vaubaillon.

He notes that the shell surrounding the comet also acts peculiarly. The
shape of the shell did not change as expected from November 2007 to
March 2008. Vaubaillon said this is because the dust grains seen in
March 2008 are relatively large, approximately one millimeter in size,
and thus harder to move.

"If the shell was comprised of smaller dust grains, it would have
changed as the orientation of the sun changes with time," said
Vaubaillon. "This Spitzer image is very unique. No other telescope has
seen comet Holmes in this much detail, five months after the explosion."

"Like people, all comets are a little different. We've been studying
comets for hundreds of years ??? 116 years in the case of comet Holmes ???
but still do not really understand them," said Reach. "However, with the
Spitzer observations and data from other telescopes, we are getting
closer."

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., manages the Spitzer
Space Telescope mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate,
Washington. Science operations are conducted at the Spitzer Science
Center at the California Institute of Technology, also in Pasadena.
Caltech manages JPL for NASA. For more information about Spitzer, visit
http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/spitzer and http://www.nasa.gov/spitzer .

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Media contact: Whitney Clavin/ Jet Propulsion Laboratory 818-354-4673
whitney.clavin at jpl.nasa.gov


From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 17:24:49 2008
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:24:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Auctuion/Updates/Moving
Message-ID: <959860.56383.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,

First of all, I found a house in Laughlin Nevada so will be relocating on November 15th. My eBay auctions will be discontinued in about three weeks.  The good news is that I will be sorting through three safes full of rare material in anticipation of moving.  This move will be very expensive so I will be more inclined to take a few low offers on some of this material.  Please take a look at my auctions in the upcoming weeks and do not be afraid to make an offer on some of the high ticket items.

To see these auctions click on this link:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites

A Few Highlights:

Despite a few uniformed dealers stating that lunar material is now worth less than a $1,000.00/gram, Lunar meteorites are still king and have been since being available to private collectors.  The only place you will see them sell for less than $1,000.00/gram is on eBay or wholesale. They very rarely realize less than $2,500.00/gram in a real auction house. They have remained on top of the heap since Calcalong Creek and will continue to due so for several reasons.

The number one reason is that you do not have to be a meteorite collector to appreciate  them.  People relate to them far beyond any other type of meteorite since they can see the body they came from.  Add in the rich history of the Apollo missions where retrieval of these type of rocks provided a treasure that rivals those of other countries crown-jewels and their scientific value and you have an unbeatable package.  Mankind has always romanticized about the Moon and will always appreciate a moon rock whether it is sliced for a collection or in the face of a Starburst Lunar Rolex or worn as a pendant.  The Smithsonian realized this in a March 1999 Article Entitled "Mining for Meteorites" where they state " The most valuable type is a dislodged piece of the moon".  Although, I am not offering NWA 5000 here I will make this statement since it relates to Lunaites: There is far more NWA 5000 material permanently placed in institutions than there is in
 private collectors hands.

Here is a great selection of moon rocks, the king of meteorites:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200262020191
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140274182592
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140274183008

Or perhaps a Martian Nakhlite which nearly always realizes at least $1,500.00/gram, even on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140274182738

H.H. Nininger's Printing Press and mass accessories.  Do not be afraid to make an offer as I do not have the capacity to move this to my new location. I am trying to keep this all together and will accept any reasonable offer. I already received an offer on this but have turned down since the perspective buyer expressed an interest in selling the items separately.    If it falls to sell before I move, I will take the previous offer as  I tried my best to keep it all together:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200262022340


And way too many other great items to list can be found at this link:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites

Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.


Best Regards,

------------------------------------
Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
raremeteorites at comcast.net 

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 18:11:04 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:11:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Martin Altman
Message-ID: <425364.50611.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Martin, can you contact me off-list please.
Michael Farmer

From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 19:04:23 2008
From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:04:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
In-Reply-To: <215588.62985.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <496658.93061.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I agree.
Meteorites are tangible and the market will recover at some point. Whatever their value in $/?/Y/Euro/etc following the recovery, meteorites will retain their market value.
A ?1000 piece of moon rock will be worth its equivalent, whether that is $10 or $100,000  following the recovery in much the same way gold would, I believe.

If I'd invested heavily in stocks and shares, I'd be pretty worried right now but my cash is in hard rock and while I wouldn't expect to be able to sell it right now I've been prudent enough (spending within my means) not to need to. I personally think that they're a good investment when it comes to retaining value. 

Rob McC


--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "bill kies" <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:30 AM
> This is true that meteorites might be low priority during
> hard times, however, a tangible asset is any object which
> can be held, enjoyed, and money can buy. I can see someone
> enjoying a rare artifact or meteorite a lot more than
> holding a wad of cash, not something you can look at and
> wonder about. Of course, if the world falls into utter
> chaos, then meteorites will be of low interest, however,
> that won't happen, and rare objects will always hold a
> value. 
> I tell you this, and all of you would likely agree, I have
> a large pallasite sitting on my desk, valued at over
> $25,000. I sure enjoy it, hold it, behold it, and wonder
> about it. Try that with a $25,000 papar that says you own
> 1000 shares of XYZ Wall Street financial company. Those can
> now be used as toilet paper, not much else. This meteorite
> will be here long after I am gone, in a musuem, or another
> private collection. It will always be something of interest.
> Hard times come and they go. Imagine if you had bought a
> Pasamonte stone in 1935 or so, that was during the dust
> bowl, and great depression, and people likely thought
> Nininger was a nut, paying money for black rocks! Well,
> those same stones now are worth thousands or tens of
> thousands each. 
> My money is one space rocks to outperform the DOW for the
> next 10 years or so. Now, if I had millions to
> spare.................. There are some beaten down stocks,
> but too risky these days.
> Michael Farmer
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 10/12/08, bill kies
> <parkforestmet at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: bill kies <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 11:48 PM
> > I don't see meteorites as a tangible asset.
> Tangible of
> > course. Asset, iffy. Maybe it's because I
> don't have
> > an enormous investment in them. 
> > 
> > As rare as they are, the intrinsic value is only as
> great
> > as the number of people that place a great esoteric
> value in
> > them. That number dwindles when mortgages and savings
> crash.
> > 
> > 
> > A commodity dedicated to the dedicated but never a
> safe
> > harbor. Have fun and buy smart.
> > 
> >
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Mon Oct 13 20:17:56 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:17:56 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets
In-Reply-To: <20081013203012.316030@gmx.net>
References: <931841.62687.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<20081013203012.316030@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <8CAFBA970FB9395-9AC-6E0@WEBMAIL-DF03.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Alex, Listees,

Alex's gentlemanly statement made my day after wading through the 
flurry of hardcore dealer-concerned messages that have been posted.  As 
a collector at heart, I agree 'wholeheartedly' with his thoughts.

Especially the one: "Our meteorites don't care, why should we?"

Thanks again, Alex.  I am glad I have been able to exclude value as a 
criterion to make my space rocks more attractive to me.  If I want to 
get my daily fix on money, it is easier just to get a live feed on the 
ticker of some stock markets and experience the rush on a blow by blow 
basis, or just do Las Vegas.

For meteorites, I prefer just admiring the specimens that make me happy 
and ignoring all the market hype and speculation that in my opinion 
detracts from the healthy fundamentals of meteorite study, appreciation 
and collection.  After all we get from them, it seems a bit much to ask 
for return.  My meteorites are expenses, not investments ... and as 
such are all written off at the moment of adquisition.  There is no 
where to go, when you start at zero investment, but up!  In moderation 
over a long period of time, rather than short intense addictions, seems 
to me the way to go.  Congratulations to those long time collectors 
that continue to be role models worth drinking to in these hard times.  


Thoughts from Mexico, with wishes for great health,
Doug

-----Original Message-----
=0
AFrom: Alexander Seidel <gsac at gmx.net>
To: deanbessey at yahoo.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tangible assets



Hello Dean,

thank you for your remarks on the market situation - these are always 
welcome,
as I have learned over all those years that, besides you being a 
dealer, you are
also a very good observer!  As well as some other insider friends of 
mine are,
who did not yet raise their finger here.

> Of course that just my opinion. Lots of old time collectors have their
> head buried in the sand and believe that all this talk of drop in 
meteorite
> supply is just marketing by us meteorite dealers. Maybe they will 
eventually
> be proven right instead of me (Personally I cant see it happening 
though)

I gladly admit I am one of those "oldtimers", but I have no problems 
with this,
why should I? I have a nice collection at hands, as many of my old time 
friends
have, and no worries, other than may be this or that observation about 
new
distributors of the rare stuff that come along, and pricing affairs: 
just let?s
wait and see how things will evolve down the line, as time goes by - in 
the long
run.  No hurries!

Our meteorites don?t care, so why should we? This economical crisis is 
BAD to
almost  everyone (...me included, btw!), at least in the world of the 
more
"privileged" persons, w
ho are lucky enough to have a job and an income 
- the
other ones on the planet have much worse problems! Then why not look at 
it from
a more leisurely global perspective of ever changing events in space 
and time,
knowing we are given only one, our life...

Alex
Berlin/Germany
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct 13 20:32:57 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:32:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] JPL's Jon Giorgini Honored With Masursky Award
Message-ID: <200810140032.RAA16610@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-193

JPL's Jon Giorgini Honored With Masursky Award
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
October 13, 2008

PASADENA, Calif. -- Jon Giorgini, an engineer at NASA's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., has received the prestigious Harold
Masursky Award, presented by the American Astronomical Society's
Division for Planetary Sciences.

The Masursky Award recognizes individuals for outstanding service to
planetary science and exploration through engineering, managerial,
programmatic or public service activities. Giorgini runs JPL's Horizons
system, an online database that can generate locations and orbits for
the almost half-million known celestial bodies in our solar system.

The award citation states in part: A specialist at the NASA Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, Jon developed and implemented the on-line
Horizons system that is used by the international scientific community
to generate accurate ephemeris information for the 450,000 currently
known objects in the solar system. This includes the sun, planets, their
moons, asteroids, comets, and many spacecraft... This system is used by
observers, researchers, and mission planners to plan observations and
track the targets of space and ground-based telescopes, as well as
spacecraft. Since its inception in October 1996, the Horizons system has
responded to more than ten million requests (on average, more than 2200
per day) received from 300,000 unique locations.

Giorgini, a senior engineer in JPL's Solar System Dynamics Group, was a
navigator for the Magellan spacecraft during its mapping of Venus
(1991-1993), developing and implementing the new navigation methodology
for the first interplanetary aerobrake. He created JPL's "On-Site Orbit
Determination" system -- software used at the Goldstone and Arecibo
planetary radar sites to track and update the orbits of radar targets.
He then returned to navigation for the Mars Global Surveyor aerobrake
planning and interplanetary phases (1995-1997), followed by the
Near-Earth Asteroid Rendezvous mission navigation and radio science
teams (1997-2001). As a member of the asteroid radar observing team
(1994-present), he is responsible for orbit analysis and predictions
used to operate radar tracking systems at Goldstone and Arecibo. He has
worked on more than 290 asteroid radar targets since 1994 and is
co-discoverer of 27 asteroid satellites. He discovered the potential
Earth impact hazard posed by the asteroid 1950 DA, and developed methods
to assess dynamics and impact potential over centuries. Giorgini is
author or co-author of 99 research papers and four book chapters.

Giorgini's outside activities have included climbs of Mount Kilimanjaro
and Vinson Massif, the highest mountains in Africa and Antarctica. He
has practiced martial arts and kickboxing for the last 22 years.

Giorgini's previous awards include the JPL 2007 Ed Stone Outstanding
Research Paper Award, a NASA Space Act Award and a NASA Exceptional
Service Medal. The International Astronomical Union named asteroid "6775
Giorgini" in his honor in 1996.

Giorgini has a Bachelor of Science degree in aerospace engineering from
Iowa State University, Ames; and a Master of Science degree in aerospace
engineering, specializing in celestial mechanics, from the University of
Texas, Austin. He has worked at JPL for 17 years.

For more information on JPL, visit: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov .

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Media contact: DC Agle 818-393-9011,
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
agle at jpl.nasa.gov

2008-193


From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 22:53:58 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:53:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay ending in the early AM Tuesday
Message-ID: <168340.39512.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone, due to an error is listing scheduling, I have many meteorites ending both tomorrow morning very early, and later in the evening. 
Please see them now as many of them end at ~6 and 7 am! A very bad time for American buyers.

Some very rare items, murray CM2 from Smithsonian with paperwork, 5 
different moon meteorites, Martian, pallasite, thousands of $$$ up for 
grabs. 
Check out those lunar meteorites, just pennies on the $ right now!


http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/ 


See the link above showing all of my auctions from 
both of my ebay usernames. 

I have some wonderful pieces ending this week, including one of the 
last Murray and Bruderheim pieces, many goodies, take a look, many are 
still 
at one cent. 

Michael Farmer 


From pshugar at clearwire.net  Mon Oct 13 23:27:56 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:27:56 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite????????????
Message-ID: <242A66AAFA764B409F18A2C226082479@portable>

Here is a link to a "South Pole Meteorite"
The story sounds kinda lame to me.
http://cgi.ebay.com/H-Class-Chondrite-Meteor-VERY-BIG-Found-At-South-Pole_W0QQitemZ180298547302QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ

Pete 


From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Oct 14 00:13:20 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:13:20 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite????????????
In-Reply-To: <242A66AAFA764B409F18A2C226082479@portable>
References: <242A66AAFA764B409F18A2C226082479@portable>
Message-ID: <r178f49nrisuup0thsuk8oi82boa527on6@4ax.com>

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:27:56 -0500, you wrote:

>Here is a link to a "South Pole Meteorite"
>The story sounds kinda lame to me.
>http://cgi.ebay.com/H-Class-Chondrite-Meteor-VERY-BIG-Found-At-South-Pole_W0QQitemZ180298547302QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ

Story is crazy, but meteorite looks nice.  Whaddya think, Bassikounou?

From erwin_r_c at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 00:22:06 2008
From: erwin_r_c at yahoo.com (Erwin Rivera)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:22:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 50gr. CARANCAS METEORITE SAMPLES AT 30$us/gr
In-Reply-To: <907728.71926.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <245748.47890.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com>



> Hello dear friends, I'm selling my last 100 gr.?of
> carancas meteorite in two 50 gr. lots each?at 30$us/gr.
> Pieces are from 1 gr. (no one less than 1 gr.)and up mostly
> with curst since I have keep these for the last.
> Much of you know me since I heve been the first one selling
> these meteorite over the internet worldwide as you can see
> on my ebay store, and in the next links.

> http://www.livinginperu.com/news/4857
> http://www.publiplayer.com/bolivia-minerals/carancas.htm
> ?
> Samples are in perfect condition, if you are interested
> please contact me, these are my last samples , excluding the
> big ones on my ebay store.
> Best regards
> Erwin Rivera
> ?
> ebay: bolivia-minerals
> www.bolivia-minerals.com

From erwin_r_c at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 00:22:42 2008
From: erwin_r_c at yahoo.com (Erwin Rivera)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:22:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 50gr. CARANCAS METEORITE SAMPLES AT 30$us/gr
In-Reply-To: <907728.71926.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <958721.45928.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com>



> Hello dear friends, I'm selling my last 100 gr.?of
> carancas meteorite in two 50 gr. lots each?at 30$us/gr.
> Pieces are from 1 gr. (no one less than 1 gr.)and up mostly
> with curst since I have keep these for the last.
> Much of you know me since I heve been the first one selling
> these meteorite over the internet worldwide as you can see
> on my ebay store, and in the next links.

> http://www.livinginperu.com/news/4857
> http://www.publiplayer.com/bolivia-minerals/carancas.htm
> ?
> Samples are in perfect condition, if you are interested
> please contact me, these are my last samples , excluding the
> big ones on my ebay store.
> Best regards
> Erwin Rivera
> ?
> ebay: bolivia-minerals
> www.bolivia-minerals.com

From Impactika at aol.com  Sun Oct 12 22:47:04 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:47:04 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
Message-ID: <cbb.26fcc7ff.362410a8@aol.com>

Thank you Dr. Ted.
 
Looks like I just read the Met. Bulletin more often.  ;-)
 
Is there any chance that some (all???) of those new aubrites might be paired?
 
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
----------------------------------------------
 
In a message dated 10/12/2008 8:11:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
tbear1 at cableone.net writes:
Actually Anne, there are 4 new ?real? aubrites  in Bull. 94: NWA 4799, 4832, 
4871, 5217. Two of these are in an abstract for the 71st Annual Met. Soc. 
Mtg. You can read about the four in J. Grossman?s Meteoritical Bull. Database at 
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php.

Ted Bunch



On 10/12/08 5:49 PM, "Impactika at aol.com" <Impactika at aol.com> wrote:

> Hello List, Al and Mike(s),
> 
> Excellent market analysis, Mike (Bandli). I agree with most of it.
> 
> Personally I believe that the planetary meteorites will keep on losing 
their 
> value (except maybe some exceptional falls) as they become less and less of 
a 
> rare occurence. At the last Tucson Show, there were no less than 3 new 
lunars. 
> When is the last time we had a new Aubrite (a real one)?
>  
> And business is about the same as last year. And I am hoping to close soon 
on 
> a very nice trade, so I will have even more new "stuff". No complaints here.
> 
> Anybody else?
>  
> Anne M. Black




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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 10:46:39 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:46:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites, stock market,
	spending habits & recessions
In-Reply-To: <mailman.88.1223931317.74625.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <24187.41450.qm@web58407.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi List!

I'll stay away from the politics because there is plenty of blame to go around for the bureaucrats and plutocrats.

But I can say for myself, I have only owned one credit card in my entire life.  It was several years ago and I
ran up a debt on it.  I then paid it off and cut it into micromount-sized pieces.  I haven't owned another since
then and I never will.  I pay for everything with cash or my debit card - I don't finance anything.  Has this
hurt my credit rating over the years?  Sure.  But I can sum up my credit debt with one number - 0.  That
is a good feeling.  Of course, the "cash only" lifestyle is not for everyone and I will qualify my success with
this - my wife and I are only a few months away from realizing our dream of living full-time in an RV
that runs on solar power and has a very small carbon footprint.  (look out strewnfields, here we come!)
If one follows a minimalist and non-materialist lifestyle, it's very easy to stay away from credit and 
crushing debt.  Yes, it is possible to live comfortably without any credit cards or borrowing money - you
just have to live within your means and don't try to keep up with the Joneses nextdoor who are in debt
up to their eyeballs and when they die, their children will inherit a house with multiple liens against it.

As for meteorites, buying them and selling them in a depression, I have had some interesting responses
off-list to my intial post/question.

Several dealers, large and small, emailed me off-list about their sales.  I will not divulge names, but the
response was mixed.  The smaller dealers, like myself, have been hit the hardest.  The larger and more
diversified dealers are doing pretty well.  (Lesson to self - diversify!)

I do the bulk of my business via an email list I have compiled over the years from collecting and restoring
antique telescopes.  That list has about 40 names on it.  Many of those customers would be considered
very wealthy.  One customer recently told me that he lost about $200,000 in one week on the stock
market.  Another saw his retirement fund shrivel by almost 50%.  These people have stopped buying
meteorites for the moment, although they still plan on collecting and buying in the future when their
personal financial situation improves.  This past sunday night, I did manage to make 2 sales - not long after
I belly-ached to the group about my lack of sales.  It's almost as if someone was listening and took pity on
me.   I made a $100 sale and a $50 sale.  My profit on those 2 sales, after shipping, will be $115.  That's
a healthy margin, but that margin is not going to make me rich when my overall numbers for 2 weeks is
only $150 in gross sales.   The only thing I can do is to sit back, wait, and ride out this slow spell.  This
has put a freeze on acquisitions for my personal collection since I finance my personal collection (in large
part) with my meteorite sales to other collectors.  I've also had to sell off some of my telescopes and
eyepieces to offset the loss in the meteorite sales.  Despite this rough patch, I am not tempted to start
selling on eBay.  For me, eBay is a venue for buying only.

This recent sales drop has taught me two things - one, I need a larger customer base.  And two, I need
to diversify my offerings.

To address the first point, I am going to start advertising in larger venues.  I have a print ad coming out in
a major national publication next month.  And I plan on resuming "in person" meteorite sales at outdoor
events like flea-markets, arts and crafts shows, sidewalk fairs, and other targets of opportunity as we
chance across them in our RV travels.  To address the second point, I am going to start offering a larger
selection of specimens that is not limited to micromounts (which is the bulk of my inventory).  And I am
going to start offering fossils, trinitite, rare minerals, custom-made displays, and meteorite-related artwork
created by my wife.  

I have read with great interest some of the market commentary in this discussion from the larger long-time
dealers.  And from an observer's perspective, I agree with most of the points Mike, Dean, Alex, and others
have made regarding the types of meteorites and their respective price points.  Honestly, I don't see how
some of you are making any money by selling on eBay.  Don't get me wrong, I am not against it, since I
have gotten some great deals on eBay recently - including a $2 angrite, several grams of CV3 for under $10,
and an ALH Antarctic for under $10.  WOW!  But seeing margins like this is not inspiring me to emulate
the sellers.  This truly is a "buyer's market" - now I just wish MY buyers would start buying! LOL

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................




      

From bandk at chorus.net  Tue Oct 14 10:59:22 2008
From: bandk at chorus.net (Kirk Jenks)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:59:22 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: *FOR SALE* Texas Meteorites and Others*
References: <48f2f469188ed9.93096988@wp.pl>
Message-ID: <006801c92e0d$73810e60$64d20b45@owner55652f88b>

Hi All,
     I have TWO (2) Micro Texas Meteorites for sale and TWO (2) other 
Micro's for sale! All were previously purchased from Adam Hupe and come in 
small specimen cases with ID Cards.

My camera is very out-dated, so its really hard to take good photos of these 
pieces, but I assure you that these are all perfect specimens, and in great 
shape. I can try to take photos for interested parties if you so desire. 
Please contact me off-list if you are interested at: bandk at chorus.net

I am asking for BEST OFFERS on all four please!! Thanks very much!!
They are:

1. Dawn (a) (1.85g)  H6 Chondrite
    Randall County, Texas (Found 1981)
    TKW: 7.7 kg

2. Tulia (a)  (2.6g)  H3-4 Chondrite
     Swisher County, Texas (Found 1917)
     TKW: 23.8 kg

3. NWA001  (.9g)  L6 Chondrite
    Northwest Africa (Found 2000)
    TKW: 1,200g

4. SAU 089  (.44g)  L/LL3.6/3.7
    Oman  (Found Jan. 17, 2001)
    TKW: 2,618g
                                            THANK YOU!!
                                                     Kirk.......:-)








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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 12:14:55 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:14:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates for
	North American and Australasian Tektites
Message-ID: <791199.10523.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear Friends,

Can anyone recommend a publication that provides a 
comprehensive listing of Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates
that have been published for the North American and 
Australasian tektites?

Also, what the authorative reference(s) work for 
the bulk composition of tektites from each of these 
strewn fields?

Any citations, which you can recommend would be 
greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,

Paul H.


      

From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 12:41:18 2008
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:41:18 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite????????????
In-Reply-To: <r178f49nrisuup0thsuk8oi82boa527on6@4ax.com>
References: <242A66AAFA764B409F18A2C226082479@portable>
	<r178f49nrisuup0thsuk8oi82boa527on6@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <93aaac890810140941i623418b0u276fa65fcab57068@mail.gmail.com>

Hola Darren, All,
The story may be crazy, but that meteorite shows weathering exemplary
of Antarctic meteorites.  Note the thin cracks - almost certainly
lined with evaporites, hence the white lining.  Also note the fresh
exterior and weathered interior.  Bassikounou?  Nothing like it.  More
like Antarctic material, to be frank, which, other than ice-blasting,
typically shows little-to-no external weathering and varying degrees
of internal oxidation.
It is a crazy story, but, to be frank, it's either a fresh stone from
a salty terrestrial environment that's been laying around for a very
short time in very wet conditions, or it is, in fact, from an ice
field (somewhere).  I've never seen such weathering features on a
meteorite from...anywhere else.  Have a look at those pictorial
catalogs of Antarctic meteorites if you don't believe me - you'll see
what I mean.
Regards,
Jason

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:27:56 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>Here is a link to a "South Pole Meteorite"
>>The story sounds kinda lame to me.
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/H-Class-Chondrite-Meteor-VERY-BIG-Found-At-South-Pole_W0QQitemZ180298547302QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
>
> Story is crazy, but meteorite looks nice.  Whaddya think, Bassikounou?
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Tue Oct 14 13:22:52 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:22:52 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite????????????
Message-ID: <101420081722.5831.48F4D56B000D87CB000016C722007354469B01010096969A00@comcast.net>

I completely agree with Jason here. This type of weathering is typical of Antarctic/Ice meteorites. I checked the story behind the Antarctic vessel and it is true. The Hero now resides in Newport, Oregon - the same location as the seller and was sold as surplus many years ago. If the story is true, the buyer needs to do some serious research and find out why this material was left behind, which is the part of the story that doesn't make any sense.

I actually tried bidding on it, figuring the detective work might be intriguing and Newport isn't too far from me. It was probably worth the gamble. I look forward to hearing more about this story and what may come out of it. The material looks similar to 76009. Many kilos were recovered and some pieces were taken by helicopter pilots as souvenirs. The new owner has a lot of detective work to do.

This crazy story reminds me of another sloppy/unbelievable auction from a few years ago. It was a purported hatch decal removed from the Apollo 13 capsule after flight. The auction story seemed absurd and was a sloppy listing. It was also listed at a penny with no reserve. To make a long story short, it turned out to be the actual decal, which was removed when the Apollo 13 capsule was lifted out of the sea and was removed by one of the recovery ship workers. The buyer of that decal rolled the dice and got an unbelievable bargain and piece of history.

Best,

Mike Bandli

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> Hola Darren, All,
> The story may be crazy, but that meteorite shows weathering exemplary
> of Antarctic meteorites.  Note the thin cracks - almost certainly
> lined with evaporites, hence the white lining.  Also note the fresh
> exterior and weathered interior.  Bassikounou?  Nothing like it.  More
> like Antarctic material, to be frank, which, other than ice-blasting,
> typically shows little-to-no external weathering and varying degrees
> of internal oxidation.
> It is a crazy story, but, to be frank, it's either a fresh stone from
> a salty terrestrial environment that's been laying around for a very
> short time in very wet conditions, or it is, in fact, from an ice
> field (somewhere).  I've never seen such weathering features on a
> meteorite from...anywhere else.  Have a look at those pictorial
> catalogs of Antarctic meteorites if you don't believe me - you'll see
> what I mean.
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:27:56 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >>Here is a link to a "South Pole Meteorite"
> >>The story sounds kinda lame to me.
> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/H-Class-Chondrite-Meteor-VERY-BIG-Found-At-South-Pole_W0QQ
> itemZ180298547302QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
> >
> > Story is crazy, but meteorite looks nice.  Whaddya think, Bassikounou?
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From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Oct 14 13:23:12 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:23:12 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] What've I got here?
In-Reply-To: <791199.10523.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <791199.10523.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5uk9f4hjq001g8kjrp4pmko3nbuj1l4cfg@4ax.com>

A while back (couple or three years) I bought a very cheap Ebay auction for what
was described as tektites (and nothing more detailed than that in the
description-- just called tektites).  Since they were cheap (a few dollars--
less than $10) I bought them, barely glanced at them (they were small and
underwhelming) and set them aside.  I found them again recently and have been
giving them a closer look.  Any ideas what I have here?  As in, type of tektite,
or tektiwrongs?

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/whattek/

From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 14 13:41:53 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:41:53 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite????????????
References: <242A66AAFA764B409F18A2C226082479@portable><r178f49nrisuup0thsuk8oi82boa527on6@4ax.com>
	<93aaac890810140941i623418b0u276fa65fcab57068@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <096e01c92e24$261e7380$144ee146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, All,

    The story may be "crazy," but the Antarctic Research
Vessel "Hero" is not. Here is an excellent website about
it history and its retirement life since leaving Palmer Station:
http://www.palmerstation.com/hero/index.html

    The "Hero" is currently to be found in Newport, Oregon.
It has passed through the hands of several private owners
and extensive repairs and renovations have been made. It
was moored at the Newport docks, but this year was moved
to a less accessible location in the Bay. It may or may not
still be owned by a gentleman named Bill Wechter.

    The R/V "Hero" has a length of 125 feet and a breadth
of 30 feet 4 inches. She displaces 300 tons, with a draft of
14 feet. Her range under power of the 760 hp engine is
6,000 nautical miles at 10 knots. The sails were used for
"silent running."  Meteorites being dense and heavy, I
would think they would make a fine ballast for a vessel
in heavy seas, and Antarctic waters would qualify in that
respect.

    How many of those useless big black rocks did they
chunk down in the bottom of the hull, do you suppose?
Anybody on the list live in Oregon? [Insert the smiley
emoticon here.]


Sterling K. Webb
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite????????????


Hola Darren, All,
The story may be crazy, but that meteorite shows weathering exemplary
of Antarctic meteorites.  Note the thin cracks - almost certainly
lined with evaporites, hence the white lining.  Also note the fresh
exterior and weathered interior.  Bassikounou?  Nothing like it.  More
like Antarctic material, to be frank, which, other than ice-blasting,
typically shows little-to-no external weathering and varying degrees
of internal oxidation.
It is a crazy story, but, to be frank, it's either a fresh stone from
a salty terrestrial environment that's been laying around for a very
short time in very wet conditions, or it is, in fact, from an ice
field (somewhere).  I've never seen such weathering features on a
meteorite from...anywhere else.  Have a look at those pictorial
catalogs of Antarctic meteorites if you don't believe me - you'll see
what I mean.
Regards,
Jason

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> 
wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:27:56 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>Here is a link to a "South Pole Meteorite"
>>The story sounds kinda lame to me.
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/H-Class-Chondrite-Meteor-VERY-BIG-Found-At-South-Pole_W0QQitemZ180298547302QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
>
> Story is crazy, but meteorite looks nice.  Whaddya think, Bassikounou?
> ______________________________________________
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From mlblood at cox.net  Tue Oct 14 13:56:56 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:56:56 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates
 for North American and Australasian Tektites
In-Reply-To: <791199.10523.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C51A2B78.1AD79%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Paul & all,
        K-A dating is only applicable to volcanic material, therefore,
It would not be applicable to tektites.
        Best wishes, Michael

on 10/14/08 9:14 AM, Paul at bristolia at yahoo.com wrote:

> Dear Friends,
> 
> Can anyone recommend a publication that provides a
> comprehensive listing of Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates
> that have been published for the North American and
> Australasian tektites?
> 
> Also, what the authorative reference(s) work for
> the bulk composition of tektites from each of these
> strewn fields?
> 
> Any citations, which you can recommend would be
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Paul H.
> 
> 
>       
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Tue Oct 14 13:59:55 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 14 Oct 2008 17:59:55 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates
	for North American and Austr
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000800000348B@paulinet.de>

Paul inquires:

"Can anyone recommend a publication that provides a comprehensive
 listing of Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates that have been published for
 the North American and Australasian tektites?"

Michael Blood writes:

"K-Ar dating is only applicable to volcanic material,
therefore, It would not be applicable to tektites.

Michael, are you sure???

LO C-H. et al. (2002) Laser fusion argon-40/argon-39 ages
of Darwin impact glass (MAPS 37-11, 2002, pp. 1555-1562).

SCHWARZ W.H. et al. (2002) Coeval argon-40/argon-39 ages of moldavites
from the Bohemian and Lusatian strewn fields (MAPS 37-12, 2002, pp. 1757-1763).

M.A. LAURENZI et al. (2003) 40Ar/39Ar laser probe dating of the Central
European tektite-producing impact event (MAPS 38-6, 2003, 887-893).


Best wishes,

Bernd




To: mlblood at cox.net
    bristolia at yahoo.com
    meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com


From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 14:16:18 2008
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:16:18 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates
	for North American and Australasian Tektites
In-Reply-To: <791199.10523.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <791199.10523.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f9da8300810141116l2940daaeua964817c6f9e1a1b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul

This books "Tektites in the Geological Record: Showers of Glass from
the Sky" published 2001, authored by Joe McCall lists some of them.
I have it for sale if you are interested in a copy.

Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Paul <bristolia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Can anyone recommend a publication that provides a
> comprehensive listing of Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates
> that have been published for the North American and
> Australasian tektites?
>
> Also, what the authorative reference(s) work for
> the bulk composition of tektites from each of these
> strewn fields?
>
> Any citations, which you can recommend would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul H.
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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-- 
Mike
--
Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com

From mlblood at cox.net  Tue Oct 14 14:32:15 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:32:15 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar)
 dates for North American and Austr
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000000800000348B@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <C51A33BF.1AD81%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Bernd & all,
        Just what I've always been told. Perhaps it is applicable to
All super heater natural glass?????
        Michael

on 10/14/08 10:59 AM, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de at bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
wrote:

> Paul inquires:
> 
> "Can anyone recommend a publication that provides a comprehensive
>  listing of Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates that have been published for
>  the North American and Australasian tektites?"
> 
> Michael Blood writes:
> 
> "K-Ar dating is only applicable to volcanic material,
> therefore, It would not be applicable to tektites.
> 
> Michael, are you sure???
> 
> LO C-H. et al. (2002) Laser fusion argon-40/argon-39 ages
> of Darwin impact glass (MAPS 37-11, 2002, pp. 1555-1562).
> 
> SCHWARZ W.H. et al. (2002) Coeval argon-40/argon-39 ages of moldavites
> from the Bohemian and Lusatian strewn fields (MAPS 37-12, 2002, pp.
> 1757-1763).
> 
> M.A. LAURENZI et al. (2003) 40Ar/39Ar laser probe dating of the Central
> European tektite-producing impact event (MAPS 38-6, 2003, 887-893).
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Bernd
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: mlblood at cox.net
>     bristolia at yahoo.com
>     meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> 
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From nlehrman at nvbell.net  Tue Oct 14 15:02:25 2008
From: nlehrman at nvbell.net (Norm Lehrman)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:02:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates
	for North American and Australasian Tektites
In-Reply-To: <C51A2B78.1AD79%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <785596.34697.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Michael & list,
  
Greetings from Tanzania! Sorry to be so out of touch, but electricity and internet service are both pretty insecure here.

Michael,  K-Ar and Ar40/Ar39 techniques are not limited to volcanic rocks.  Anything containing potassium (certainly including tektites) can work.  There are always interpretative issues, but that's another subject.

I spend a fair bit of my field time here working with geochronology where 2.8 billion years is "young" and an error bracket of +/- 40 million years is almost too sloppy to be of use!  I'm learning some new stuff.

No meteorites so far, and virtually no decent search environments.  I found a killer little iron in the middle of a jungle trail a while back, but a quick zap with a Niton portable XRF unit showed no Ni.  Just a nice chip off of an iron plow or sledge hammer---.  

The Niton ray gun is driving me crazy.  At virtually no cost, I can pull the trigger and analyze for the entire periodic table heaver than Na in less than 1 minute.  This machine should be able to let us non-destructively differentiate iron meteorites, and maybe tektites.  Why am I going crazy?  ALL my collection is in storage in the USA and I can't test the technology! The unit costs around $35,000 US.  Here, now, I have unlimited access to one, and soon, several.  

Imagine being able to instantly (in relative terms), go though a collection of irons and verify their identity.  I've got some in my collection that are potentially with the wrong tag, and I bet every museum in the world fits into that fellowship.  What if we can easily zap tektites to confirm/differentiate Ivorites, Bediasites, and Australasians?  Authenticate moldavites and reject etched glass?  I THINK this tool is in our hands now.

I'm coming to the US at Christmas time.  Who can offer me a nice wide variety of approx. 1 cm sq slices of irons at a decent price?  I could even return them afterwards (subject to the risk of confiscation in customs somewhere---).  If this works as I think it could, I'd consider buying a Niton on my return to the USA, and offering verification services.

If anyone is able to provide me with a dozen or so little iron chips (for a price of course), please let me know.  This could be very cool.

Regards to all, 

Norm
http://tektitesource.com



, 10/14/08, Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:

> From: Michael L Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates for North American and Australasian Tektites
> To: bristolia at yahoo.com, "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:56 AM
> Hi Paul & all,
>         K-A dating is only applicable to volcanic material,
> therefore,
> It would not be applicable to tektites.
>         Best wishes, Michael
> 
> on 10/14/08 9:14 AM, Paul at bristolia at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> > Dear Friends,
> > 
> > Can anyone recommend a publication that provides a
> > comprehensive listing of Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates
> > that have been published for the North American and
> > Australasian tektites?
> > 
> > Also, what the authorative reference(s) work for
> > the bulk composition of tektites from each of these
> > strewn fields?
> > 
> > Any citations, which you can recommend would be
> > greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Paul H.
> > 
> > 
> >       
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> Totally Green by Twenty Eighteen!
> 
> Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail
> Out"):
> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Tue Oct 14 15:07:21 2008
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:07:21 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite????????????
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890810140941i623418b0u276fa65fcab57068@mail.gmail.com>
References: <242A66AAFA764B409F18A2C226082479@portable>	<r178f49nrisuup0thsuk8oi82boa527on6@4ax.com>
	<93aaac890810140941i623418b0u276fa65fcab57068@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F4EDE9.6020901@usgs.gov>

Gee, this looks an awful lot like ALHA76001, to name a specific 
Antarctic meteorite!  Compare the photo of a larger slice of "ALH 761" 
in Japan with the ebay photo:

http://metdb.nipr.ac.jp/Data/ALH761/sALH-761.1-80_small_200822195950.jpg

For several years, I have wondered what happened to the 3800 g piece of 
this meteorite, which was supposedly once in the Field Museum collection 
in Chicago (according to MetBase).  However, that meteorite and its 
siblings from 1976 have not been in the Field collection for a long 
time.  Is it possible this is it?  Maybe one of you knows the history 
of  these meteorites well enough to speculate.

Jeff


Jason Utas wrote:
> Hola Darren, All,
> The story may be crazy, but that meteorite shows weathering exemplary
> of Antarctic meteorites.  Note the thin cracks - almost certainly
> lined with evaporites, hence the white lining.  Also note the fresh
> exterior and weathered interior.  Bassikounou?  Nothing like it.  More
> like Antarctic material, to be frank, which, other than ice-blasting,
> typically shows little-to-no external weathering and varying degrees
> of internal oxidation.
> It is a crazy story, but, to be frank, it's either a fresh stone from
> a salty terrestrial environment that's been laying around for a very
> short time in very wet conditions, or it is, in fact, from an ice
> field (somewhere).  I've never seen such weathering features on a
> meteorite from...anywhere else.  Have a look at those pictorial
> catalogs of Antarctic meteorites if you don't believe me - you'll see
> what I mean.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
>   
>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:27:56 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Here is a link to a "South Pole Meteorite"
>>> The story sounds kinda lame to me.
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/H-Class-Chondrite-Meteor-VERY-BIG-Found-At-South-Pole_W0QQitemZ180298547302QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
>>>       
>> Story is crazy, but meteorite looks nice.  Whaddya think, Bassikounou?
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Tue Oct 14 15:46:51 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:46:51 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite????????????
Message-ID: <101420081946.20525.48F4F72B0005B7DF0000502D22007354469B01010096969A00@comcast.net>

Here is another view of 76001 @ NIPR:

http://metdb.nipr.ac.jp/Data/ALH761/sALH-761.1-79_small_20082219597.jpg

The back has patches of crust, but doesn't look anything like the more fresh and intact crust on the eBay material in question. 76001 was a 20.1kg stone, so it is possible that it had a broken side. I'm away from my photographic catalogs, but maybe someone else can check their own. I believe either the Catalog of Yamato Meteorites or Photographic Catalog (1981) show the entire mass. I'll check when I get home...

Mike Bandli



 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> Gee, this looks an awful lot like ALHA76001, to name a specific 
> Antarctic meteorite!  Compare the photo of a larger slice of "ALH 761" 
> in Japan with the ebay photo:
> 
> http://metdb.nipr.ac.jp/Data/ALH761/sALH-761.1-80_small_200822195950.jpg
> 
> For several years, I have wondered what happened to the 3800 g piece of 
> this meteorite, which was supposedly once in the Field Museum collection 
> in Chicago (according to MetBase).  However, that meteorite and its 
> siblings from 1976 have not been in the Field collection for a long 
> time.  Is it possible this is it?  Maybe one of you knows the history 
> of  these meteorites well enough to speculate.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> Jason Utas wrote:
> > Hola Darren, All,
> > The story may be crazy, but that meteorite shows weathering exemplary
> > of Antarctic meteorites.  Note the thin cracks - almost certainly
> > lined with evaporites, hence the white lining.  Also note the fresh
> > exterior and weathered interior.  Bassikounou?  Nothing like it.  More
> > like Antarctic material, to be frank, which, other than ice-blasting,
> > typically shows little-to-no external weathering and varying degrees
> > of internal oxidation.
> > It is a crazy story, but, to be frank, it's either a fresh stone from
> > a salty terrestrial environment that's been laying around for a very
> > short time in very wet conditions, or it is, in fact, from an ice
> > field (somewhere).  I've never seen such weathering features on a
> > meteorite from...anywhere else.  Have a look at those pictorial
> > catalogs of Antarctic meteorites if you don't believe me - you'll see
> > what I mean.
> > Regards,
> > Jason
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
> >   
> >> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:27:56 -0500, you wrote:
> >>
> >>     
> >>> Here is a link to a "South Pole Meteorite"
> >>> The story sounds kinda lame to me.
> >>> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/H-Class-Chondrite-Meteor-VERY-BIG-Found-At-South-Pole_W0QQit
> emZ180298547302QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
> >>>       
> >> Story is crazy, but meteorite looks nice.  Whaddya think, Bassikounou?
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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> 954 National Center
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 14 17:55:36 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:55:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates
	for North American and Australasian Tektites
References: <C51A2B78.1AD79%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <098901c92e47$97ad9120$144ee146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Paul, List

    Potassium Argon Dating has been applied to tektites
since the method was first available. It dates the "arrival"
date of the tektite, the time of the last secondary melt that
resets the K-Ar "clock." The arrival date of each strewn-
field is the same; the arrival date of each strewnfield is
different from the others. The date of the primary melt of
all tektites, their formation date (by Rb-Sr isochron), is the
same -- about 450+/-50 million years. And their initial
87Sr/86Sr ratio, which is what the isochron points at,
is different that any other material in the solar system yet
examined by us; their original source is unknown.

    Guy Heinen's "Tektites" is the most recent complete
work on the subject, published in 1998. It has a complete
(up to that date) bibliography of the scientific literature,
many 100's of references. Hal Povenmire's books are
still available. Going back, there's John O'Keefe's 1976 book,
"Tektites" and his many papers, some of which are listed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._O'Keefe

    It appears that the complete text of O'Keefe's 1976
book is online! (There will a short delay while I download
the entire thing):
http://originoftektites.com/index.php
I'd forgotten about Chap. 6. Take a look at Chap. 6, Paul;
there may be enough recent bulk compositional data for you.
(Putting this on the web must be a new project; Chaps. 7-10
are incomplete, and the References are empty.) It's copyright-
free, though.

    The largest source for bulk composition data of a large
number of tektites is: J.A. O'Keefe, Editor, Tektites,
Univ. of Chicago Press, Chicago, Illinois (1963), Long
out of print, hard to get, costly, though there are xeroxes
that sell for $90-$100. It has pages and pages of these
analyses, performed by the USGS, in the course of which
they destroyed about 8000 tektites. In the pre-Apollo space
boom, O'Keefe, who believed in the lunar volcanic origin
of tektites, got the US government to spring for this massive
study. Dates are based on hundreds of samples.

A List of sources from this website (lots of list members there):
http://www.meteoriteassociationofgeorgia.org/GATektitesList.htm
chosen for their relevance to Georgiaites:
Tektites: A Cosmic Enigma, by Hal Povenmire
Tektites in the Geological Record: Showers of Glass from the Sky, by G. J. 
H. McCall
Rocks from Space, by O. Richard Norton
Tektites: Witnesses of Cosmic Catastrophies, by Guy Heinen
Moon Trip, by Bert King
Georgiaites, the New Georgia Encyclopedia
Bediasites / Georgiaites, by Aubrey Whymark
Georgia Tektites, by Paul Harris
Upper Eocene impact horizon in east-central Georgia, R. Scott Harris

    A prominent recent researcher is Billy Glass. Yeah,
I know... He's an authority on tektites and his name is
"Glass." And everybody calls him Billy Glass, not
William. Google "Billy Glass"

Don't want to forget the late Darryl Futrell:
http://www.meteorite.com/Darryl_Futrell/
One of Darryl's papers is referenced in:
http://www.edamgaard.dk/Bibliography_final.htm
That bibliography is excellent for the entire
subject of tektites, but only covers Australites.

    You could Google for "tektite potassium argon dates"
and get 2380 hits, but you will have to dodge Young
Earthers. Here's some GoodGoogles:

A very geological take:
http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/npl/meteorites/tektites/tektite_info.html
Vergil Barnes was an important pre-radiometric
researcher of tektites. Also George Baker, who
first explained the origin of the shapes.

1999 text on Geochronolgy by K-Ar, pp. 35-36
http://books.google.com/books?id=FgeSnj9OnFsC&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=tektite+potassium+argon+dates&source=web&ots=-Yq2NQj1Q8&sig=-3fOLu7vkys2lUJwceWJdEIMd5g&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result
They say few K-Ar data-sets are as "concordant"
as the K-Ar of tektites, and it's true. In general,
there seem to be few quarrels about these dates.

Or are there?
http://www.australites.com/theories.htm


In Conclusion:

"To anyone who has worked with them,
tektites are probably the most frustrating
stones ever found on earth." -- Henry Faul, 1966

The Tektite:

1. Never was there so much data
with so little return in certainty.

2. Every researcher, in his heart, believes
all the other researchers are wrong, and every
one of them, however associated in "schools,"
have theories that contradict the others.

3. The last time I compiled a list of all the
proposed theories-of-origin, there were
eighty-three of them.

4. Dr. Geoge Seddon remarked, "When
first hearing of tektites, I thought them
quite incredible. But after learning more,
I realize they are impossible."

5. If you research them long enough,
you too will have yet another theory of
tektites, incompatible with all the others.



Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
To: <bristolia at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates 
for North American and Australasian Tektites


Hi Paul & all,
        K-A dating is only applicable to volcanic material, therefore,
It would not be applicable to tektites.
        Best wishes, Michael

on 10/14/08 9:14 AM, Paul at bristolia at yahoo.com wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> Can anyone recommend a publication that provides a
> comprehensive listing of Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates
> that have been published for the North American and
> Australasian tektites?
>
> Also, what the authorative reference(s) work for
> the bulk composition of tektites from each of these
> strewn fields?
>
> Any citations, which you can recommend would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul H.
>


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Tue Oct 14 21:55:45 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:55:45 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Highlights forTomorrows Auction Run and Ebay
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Message-ID: <20081015015617.54A6010544@mailwash5.pair.com>



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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:55 PM
To: 'michael cottingham'
Subject: AD: Highlights forTomorrows Auction Run and Ebay Store Sale!



________________________________________


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From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay auctions ending right now
Message-ID: <423634.66778.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

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From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 15 03:47:33 2008
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:47:33 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite????????????
Message-ID: <BAY113-W18226501CF8F63974A41D5A2300@phx.gbl>


Stories like this keep me interested. An abandoned ship with meteroites swimming in the bilge. The best part is that it's true. Imagine investing in the salvage and finding a few trinkets. I think they did pretty well.

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From info at meteorites.com.au  Wed Oct 15 04:07:37 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:07:37 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite????????????
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890810140941i623418b0u276fa65fcab57068@mail.gmail.com>
References: <242A66AAFA764B409F18A2C226082479@portable><r178f49nrisuup0thsuk8oi82boa527on6@4ax.com>
	<93aaac890810140941i623418b0u276fa65fcab57068@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CBA29943C1574BC9A64D76EE59902C55@JeffPC>

It very well could be from the "South Pole" or it could also be from the 
good old Sahara. There are MANY ways to clean and 'touch up' a meteorite. A 
point of interest... it's quite similar to a meteorite I have a piece of... 
Sahara 03501 (Igaren) which is pictured here:

http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/april2007.html

I'm certainly not saying that's what it is but there are always alternatives 
to every tale! ;-)

Cheers,

Jeff

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite????????????


> Hola Darren, All,
> The story may be crazy, but that meteorite shows weathering exemplary
> of Antarctic meteorites.  Note the thin cracks - almost certainly
> lined with evaporites, hence the white lining.  Also note the fresh
> exterior and weathered interior.  Bassikounou?  Nothing like it.  More
> like Antarctic material, to be frank, which, other than ice-blasting,
> typically shows little-to-no external weathering and varying degrees
> of internal oxidation.
> It is a crazy story, but, to be frank, it's either a fresh stone from
> a salty terrestrial environment that's been laying around for a very
> short time in very wet conditions, or it is, in fact, from an ice
> field (somewhere).  I've never seen such weathering features on a
> meteorite from...anywhere else.  Have a look at those pictorial
> catalogs of Antarctic meteorites if you don't believe me - you'll see
> what I mean.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> 
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:27:56 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>>Here is a link to a "South Pole Meteorite"
>>>The story sounds kinda lame to me.
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/H-Class-Chondrite-Meteor-VERY-BIG-Found-At-South-Pole_W0QQitemZ180298547302QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
>>
>> Story is crazy, but meteorite looks nice.  Whaddya think, Bassikounou?
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 08:56:29 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:56:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) 5 UNCLASSIFIEDS FORSALE
Message-ID: <828769.320.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.I have 5 very nice unclassified stone meteorites forsale.They are as follows: 476.9 grams,145.7 grams.326.8 grams,267.4 grams.and 129.6 grams.Most are almost fully crusted.I am asking $400 plus I will pay shipping.Pics upon request.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 10:48:18 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:48:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay meteorite, meteorwrong, or....?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.294.1224021339.35402.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <729271.17016.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi folks!

I've seen this "meteorite" up for auction several times in the last few months, and I am wondering if this
is real, fake, or someone who doesn't know what they have?

Does anyone have an opinion on this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260300858270

Regards,

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................


      

From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Oct 15 11:18:59 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:18:59 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay meteorite, meteorwrong, or....?
In-Reply-To: <729271.17016.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.294.1224021339.35402.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<729271.17016.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <g92cf4l55sela934slns1e7uc0cmi2ijf4@4ax.com>

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:48:18 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Hi folks!
>
>I've seen this "meteorite" up for auction several times in the last few months, and I am wondering if this
>is real, fake, or someone who doesn't know what they have?
>
>Does anyone have an opinion on this?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260300858270
>

Yep, definitely a genuine LL6 Carbonaceous Chondrite.  I have one of his CR3
Urelite Acapulcoite Bencubbinites from Mars.

From korotev at wustl.edu  Wed Oct 15 14:53:05 2008
From: korotev at wustl.edu (Randy Korotev)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:53:05 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] another reason why you shouldn't leave meteorites
	in your car
Message-ID: <200810151851.m9FIpxn03296@levee.wustl.edu>

http://www.wtvr.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=3010604&h1=Exclusive%3A%20Device%20Found%20At%20Airport%20Wasn%27t%20An%20Explosive&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=157067&LaunchPageAdTag=Search%20Results&activePane=info&rnd=82665900 





Randy Korotev
Saint Louis, MO
korotev at wustl.edu 


From gmhupe at htn.net  Wed Oct 15 15:01:14 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:01:14 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] another reason why you shouldn't leave
	meteoritesin your car
References: <200810151851.m9FIpxn03296@levee.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <829347C75F07439CA712B30FCE3F3C39@Gregor>

Hi Randy and List,

Nice to know the TSA breaks into cars at the airport. At least the bomb 
squad didn't blow up the guy's car!!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



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To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:53 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] another reason why you shouldn't leave 
meteoritesin your car


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>
>
>
>
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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 15:13:28 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:13:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates for
	North American and Australasian Tektites
Message-ID: <946951.62650.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thank you-all for your replies to my question, including 
a ?reference list for tektites?. They have been most helpful.

Sterling K. Webb wrote:

?The largest source for bulk composition data of a 
large number of tektites is: J.A. O'Keefe, Editor, 
Tektites, Univ. of Chicago Press, Chicago, Illinois 
(1963), ...?

I lucked out on this one as the library, where I work
has this book in its collections. Needless to say, I have
checked it out and looking through all the data, 
information, and ideas it contains.

Now I just need to figure if the alleged Louisiana 
tektites are fact or fiction. At this time, I suspect
the latter until someone finds some more.

Best Regards,

Paul H.



      

From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Wed Oct 15 16:00:04 2008
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (Meteorite-Recon.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:00:04 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite - ALH761 photos uploaded
Message-ID: <33103356.57711224100804736.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>

You folks are right. The salt textures on the crust are a common feature of antarctic surface finds. Unfortunately the in situ photograph of ALH761 in the Photographic Catalog of The Selected Antarctic Meteorites is of poor quality, at least in my copy. Note the "mismatched saw cuts" on page 52.
 
I have uploaded the photos for those interested:
 
http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/meteoriten_ALH761.htm

The Catalog of Yamato Meteorites (Tokyo 1979) gives a brief description of the mass that was found by a team consisting of K. Yanai, the grandmaster W. Cassidy himself and E. Olsen. It says: " Large mass with abraded crust". A small b&w photo is on plate 9. The entry continues: "Cut in two parts, 9671g (Allan Hills 761,1) and 10244g, Allan Hills 761-2 (USA)."
 
Cheers
 
Svend
 
www.meteorite-recon.com
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Bandli" <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
To: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>; "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite????????????


> Here is another view of 76001 @ NIPR:
> 
> http://metdb.nipr.ac.jp/Data/ALH761/sALH-761.1-79_small_20082219597.jpg
> 
> The back has patches of crust, but doesn't look anything like the more fresh and intact crust on the eBay material in question. 76001 was a 20.1kg stone, so it is possible that it had a broken side. I'm away from my photographic catalogs, but maybe someone else can check their own. I believe either the Catalog of Yamato Meteorites or Photographic Catalog (1981) show the entire mass. I'll check when I get home...
> 
> Mike Bandli
> 
> 
> 
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
>> Gee, this looks an awful lot like ALHA76001, to name a specific 
>> Antarctic meteorite!  Compare the photo of a larger slice of "ALH 761" 
>> in Japan with the ebay photo:
>> 
>> http://metdb.nipr.ac.jp/Data/ALH761/sALH-761.1-80_small_200822195950.jpg
>> 
>> For several years, I have wondered what happened to the 3800 g piece of 
>> this meteorite, which was supposedly once in the Field Museum collection 
>> in Chicago (according to MetBase).  However, that meteorite and its 
>> siblings from 1976 have not been in the Field collection for a long 
>> time.  Is it possible this is it?  Maybe one of you knows the history 
>> of  these meteorites well enough to speculate.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> Jason Utas wrote:
>> > Hola Darren, All,
>> > The story may be crazy, but that meteorite shows weathering exemplary
>> > of Antarctic meteorites.  Note the thin cracks - almost certainly
>> > lined with evaporites, hence the white lining.  Also note the fresh
>> > exterior and weathered interior.  Bassikounou?  Nothing like it.  More
>> > like Antarctic material, to be frank, which, other than ice-blasting,
>> > typically shows little-to-no external weathering and varying degrees
>> > of internal oxidation.
>> > It is a crazy story, but, to be frank, it's either a fresh stone from
>> > a salty terrestrial environment that's been laying around for a very
>> > short time in very wet conditions, or it is, in fact, from an ice
>> > field (somewhere).  I've never seen such weathering features on a
>> > meteorite from...anywhere else.  Have a look at those pictorial
>> > catalogs of Antarctic meteorites if you don't believe me - you'll see
>> > what I mean.
>> > Regards,
>> > Jason
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
>> >   
>> >> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:27:56 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     
>> >>> Here is a link to a "South Pole Meteorite"
>> >>> The story sounds kinda lame to me.
>> >>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/H-Class-Chondrite-Meteor-VERY-BIG-Found-At-South-Pole_W0QQit
>> emZ180298547302QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
>> >>>       
>> >> Story is crazy, but meteorite looks nice.  Whaddya think, Bassikounou?
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From marcin at polandmet.com  Wed Oct 15 16:10:23 2008
From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:10:23 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite - ALH761 photos uploaded
References: <33103356.57711224100804736.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>
Message-ID: <004f01c92f02$0ea03430$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

Hi
Dont You think that this ebay stone looks too good, intact in compare with 
photos from  Photographic Catalog?
If this was one mass of 20kg then why stone from ebay have beautifull crust 
and other part of the same stone from catalog is soo weathered (ice blasted) 
?

But interior looks very similar.

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From Metorman46 at aol.com  Wed Oct 15 16:11:24 2008
From: Metorman46 at aol.com (Metorman46 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:11:24 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay meteorite, meteorwrong, or....?
Message-ID: <ce4.41d485ca.3627a86c@aol.com>

Hello Mike;

Check out the  description. "LL6 carbonaceous chondrite". You get two __thats 
 two____________different classifications in one meteorite.Could be a first 
in  meteoritics since there is no sign of brecciation.I sure wouldn't invest in 
the  thing.I think.

Thanks for the post.

Best Regards;Herman  Archer  IMCA # 2770  

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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 15 16:56:35 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:56:35 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates
	forNorth American and Australasian Tektites
References: <946951.62650.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0a3b01c92f08$839a2150$144ee146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Paul, List,


    Are these "alleged tektites" that you refer to the
ones found in Glenmora, Rapides Parish, that were
reported on by King in 1970?
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1970Metic...5Q.205K
No abstract or paper available. I guess these tektites
are not popular.

    Former (?) List member Ed Albin:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/LPSC99/pdf/1357.pdf
"King [1968] described a bediasite find within the
upper Eocene Wellborn Formation in Grimes County,
Texas. This deposit has been traced eastward and
correlates with the Yazoo Clay Formation in Louisiana,
Mississippi, Alabama, and the Dry Branch Formation
in Georgia. It is entirely possible that North American
tektites may eventually be recovered from upper Eocene
deposits between Georgia and Texas."

    But were King's tektites North American tektites in
composition? Wetback Bediasites, as it were?

    In 1986, leading geochemist Cristian Koeberl
said the King tektites from Louisiana were Australites:
http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.ea.14.050186.001543?journalCode=earth
I can't get to that paper, naturally.

    I can get to this paper by Koeberl (and so can
everybody else on the List). It's his analysis of the
Cuban "tektite" which proved to be a member of
the North American strewnfield:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1988Metic..23..161K
but I can't pull a quote out as the paper's a page image,
not text. The gist of Koeberl's remark is that the
"Cuban" tektite is genuine, in distinction to King's tektites
which were "allergedly" found in Louisiana, were then
disovered to be Australites, and therefore could not have
come from Louisiana. He said that they were a fraud, in
other words. The tektites are tektites, but is the find
a find in Louisiana?

    What Koeberl was not aware of is that some years
later Alan Hildebrandt (another geochemical authority)
found some Australities in and around Tikal, the ancient
Mayan city in Guatemala adjacent to the Yucatan. On the
global scale, Louisiana and the Yucatan a mere tektite's
throw apart, and both roughly antipodal to the Australasian
strewnfield.

    If this is the case, then no amount of analysis of
the "alleged" tektites is meaningful -- they are tektites!
You would need instead need to investigate the
circumstances of the find, the character and motives
of the finder. This would seem to be a difficult goal
to pursue definitively after a 38 year lapse.

    But if they are (both) Australites and were discovered
in situ, that in itself is major news (or an inconvenience to
be ignored, of course), like the Ivory Coast tektite
(identified by analysis in 1982 by Shaw and Wasserberg)
found off the coast of Australia in the sea bed. (Currents?
Yeah, sure...)

    If Koerberl said the Louisiana tektites were real
(and Australites), then they were tektites. No question.
Better go find some more! Did anybody record the exact
location of the find?


Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul" <bristolia at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:13 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates 
forNorth American and Australasian Tektites


Thank you-all for your replies to my question, including
a ?reference list for tektites?. They have been most helpful.

Sterling K. Webb wrote:

?The largest source for bulk composition data of a
large number of tektites is: J.A. O'Keefe, Editor,
Tektites, Univ. of Chicago Press, Chicago, Illinois
(1963), ...?

I lucked out on this one as the library, where I work
has this book in its collections. Needless to say, I have
checked it out and looking through all the data,
information, and ideas it contains.

Now I just need to figure if the alleged Louisiana
tektites are fact or fiction. At this time, I suspect
the latter until someone finds some more.

Best Regards,

Paul H.




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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 17:08:58 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:08:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] another reason why you shouldn't leave
	meteoritesin your car
In-Reply-To: <829347C75F07439CA712B30FCE3F3C39@Gregor>
Message-ID: <6420.7186.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 TSA can't tell a rock from an iron cannonball, boy, don't you all feel so safe? Pathetic. 
Michael Farmer


--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:

> From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] another reason why you shouldn't leave meteoritesin your car
> To: "Randy Korotev" <korotev at wustl.edu>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:01 PM
> Hi Randy and List,
> 
> Nice to know the TSA breaks into cars at the airport. At
> least the bomb 
> squad didn't blow up the guy's car!!
> 
> Best regards,
> Greg
> 
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA 3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Randy Korotev" <korotev at wustl.edu>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:53 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] another reason why you
> shouldn't leave 
> meteoritesin your car
> 
> 
> >
> http://www.wtvr.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=3010604&h1=Exclusive%3A%20Device%20Found%20At%20Airport%20Wasn%27t%20An%20Explosive&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=157067&LaunchPageAdTag=Search%20Results&activePane=info&rnd=82665900
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Randy Korotev
> > Saint Louis, MO
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Oct 15 17:23:18 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:23:18 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Auctions Ending TODAY!,
	Highlights and 20 to 25% Off Sale In My Ebay Store,
	RARE STUFF CHEAP!
Message-ID: <20081015212334.007BF105D3@mailwash5.pair.com>



________________________________________
From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:08 PM
To: 'michael cottingham'
Subject: AD: Auctions Ending TODAY!, Highlights and 20 to 25% Off Sale In My
Ebay Store.





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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261414804

Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 2.30g, Getting down to my last ones!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261408575

(NEW), LA LUZ, New Mexico, H4, LTKW, 13.61g, Not much left!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261384341

A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 180g, A really lovely slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261383696

Classic GOLD BASIN, Arizona, L4, 59.91 gram, A nice half individual!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261382763

CANYON DIABLO Individual, 386 gram, A great shaped large individual!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261380471

LTKW, SACRAMENTO WASH 002, Az., H4, 8.32 g, Last large slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261379284

(NEW), NWA 4952, L/LL4-5, Brecciated, 48.44g, Nice Slice.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261378644

(New) NWA 4881, Lunar Feldspathic Specimen, Nice addition to any collection!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261377792

(New) Martian Shergottite, NWA 4925, "Mars", Running Low on these!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261377237

Also check these out:

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 510g, This is a special sale!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261059105

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 2130g, Cheap and a beautiful piece!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200261045919


Thanks & Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham




























From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Oct 15 19:05:29 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:05:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update: October 3-7, 2008
Message-ID: <200810152305.QAA21525@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE:  Preparing for the Road Trip of a Lifetime - 
sol 1669-1673, October 03-07, 2008:

Like a motorist preparing for a road trip, NASA's Opportunity rover is
studying a "road atlas" of Mars, using details provided by a powerful
camera in orbit above the red planet. Opportunity's road crew is poring
over every detail of the landscape in images from the High-Resolution
Imaging Science Experiment on board the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter.
Team members will use the data to select a route to "Endeavour Crater"
12 kilometers (7.5 miles) away.

Meanwhile, Opportunity continues traveling south around the rim of
"Victoria Crater," stopping for photo shoots at selected locations along
the way. During the past week, Opportunity drove a distance of 143
meters -- more than twice the wingspan of two Boeing 747's parked side
by side. The rover acquired images of a promontory inside the crater
known as "Cape Pillar" and began driving to another vantage point for
taking images of a promontory known as "Cape Victory." Opportunity also
studied the atmosphere, searched for Martian clouds, and scanned the
rover's external dust-collection magnets.

Opportunity is healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected as of
Martian day, or sol, 1673 (Oct. 7, 2008). Power has been superb,
averaging 652 watt-hours during the past week (100 watt-hours is the
amount of energy needed to light a 100-watt bulb for one hour.)

Sol-by-sol summary:

Besides measuring daily, dust-related changes in atmospheric clarity
with the panoramic camera, Opportunity completed the following activities:

Sol 1669 (Oct. 3, 2008): Opportunity surveyed the sky at high Sun and
worked on a systematic survey of the rover's surroundings using all 13
filters of the panoramic camera. The rover acquired a six-frame,
time-lapse movie in search of clouds with the navigation camera. Before
relaying data to NASA's Odyssey orbiter for transmission to Earth,
Opportunity measured atmospheric dust with both the panoramic and
navigation cameras.

Sol 1670: Opportunity searched for morning clouds by acquiring a
six-frame, time-lapse movie with the navigation camera. The rover took
thumbnail images of the morning sky for calibration purposes with the
panoramic camera. Before starting the day's drive, Opportunity acquired
a 4-by-1 panel of images with the panoramic camera. After the drive, the
rover acquired a 2-by-1 and a 3-by-1 panel of images with the navigation
camera.

Sol 1671: In the morning, Opportunity acquired a 6-by-1 tier of images
of the terrain, overlapping the frames to compensate for dust on the
lens of the panoramic camera. Using all 13 color filters of the
panoramic camera, the rover conducted a systematic survey and acquired
images of particles on the external magnets. After sending data to
Odyssey, Opportunity measured atmospheric argon with the alpha-particle
X-ray spectrometer.

Sol 1672: Opportunity acquired thumbnail images of the sky for
calibration purposes with the panoramic camera and searched for morning
clouds by acquiring six, time-lapse movie frames with the navigation
camera. Opportunity surveyed the sky at high Sun with the panoramic
camera, made another six-frame movie in search of clouds with the
panoramic camera, and took more thumbnail images of the sky with the
panoramic camera.

Sol 1673 (Oct. 7, 2008): Opportunity took thumbnail images of the
morning sky for calibration purposes with the panoramic camera and
produced a six-frame movie in search of clouds with the navigation
camera. Opportunity continued driving south and completed a "get fine
attitude" procedure to determine the rover's exact position relative to
the Sun. After the drive and before sending data to Odyssey, Opportunity
took a 2-by-1 and 5-by-1 panel of forward-looking images with the
navigation camera, a 4-by-1 panel of images with the panoramic camera,
and a rearward-looking, 5-by-1 mosaic of images with the navigation
camera. Opportunity acquired a 3-by-1 and a 7-by-1 post-drive tier of
images with the navigation camera as well as a 4-by-1 panel of images
with the panoramic camera. Plans for the following day called for the
rover to take thumbnail images of the sky with the panoramic camera and
look for clouds with the navigation camera.

Odometry:

As of sol 1673 (Oct. 7, 2008), Opportunity's total odometry was
12,292.15 meters (7.64 miles).


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Oct 15 19:07:45 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:07:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 15, 2008
Message-ID: <200810152307.QAA22373@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
October 15, 2008

o Fan in Aeolis Region
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009623_1755

o Crater on North Polar Layered Deposits 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009663_2635

o Bacolor Crater Interior and Central Peak 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009677_2135

o Tell-Tale Rocks at Southern Acidalia Planitia
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009708_2205


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Oct 15 19:17:12 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:17:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] HiRISE Camera Reveals Rare Polar Martian Impact
	Craters
Message-ID: <200810152317.QAA25032@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



FROM: Lori Stiles (520-626-4402; lstiles at u.arizona.edu)

HiRISE Camera Reveals Rare Polar Martian Impact Craters
University of Arizona
October 15, 2008

An odd, solitary hill rising part-way down an eroding slope in Mars' north polar
layered terrain may be the remnant of a buried impact crater, suggests a
University of Arizona planetary scientist who studied the feature in a new,
detailed image from the HiRISE camera onboard NASA's Mars Reconnaissance
Orbiter.

HiRISE, or the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment, headed by Alfred
McEwen of the Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, is based at the UA. New HiRISE
images are posted weekly on the team's Web site, http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu

The north polar layered deposits are stacked up to several kilometers thick and
represent one of the largest surface reservoirs of Martian water that interacts
with the planet's atmosphere, said LPL's Shane Byrne. Scientists believe the
deposits record orbitally driven climate changes and study them to learn how
Mars climate evolved.

The new HiRISE image shows an exposed 500-meter thick section (1,640 feet) of
this layering, and also a 40-meter high (130-foot) conical mound sticking out
of the slope.

"The mound may be the remnant of a buried impact crater, which is now being
exhumed," Byrne said.

Impact craters would have been buried by ice as the layered deposits
accumulated, with layers wrapping around the crater, Byrne said. Almost none
exist on the surface of this terrain.

"But in this rare case, erosion formed a trough that uncovered one of these
structures. For reasons that are poorly understood right now, the ice beneath
the site of the crater is more resistant to this erosion, so that as this
trough formed, ice beneath the old impact site remained, forming this isolated
hill."

Viewing the HiRISE image at full resolution shows that the mound is made up of
polygonal blocks as big as 10 meters, or 33 feet, across, he added. The blocks
are covered with reddish dust, but otherwise resemble ice-rich blocks seen in
other images of the north polar layered deposits.

The seven new HiRISE images released today include another image of an impact
crater where such features are rarely seen ? on the north polar cap. HiRISE
turned up a small crater, only about 115 meters, or 125 yards, in diameter on
the surface of Planum Boreum, popularly known as the north polar cap.

The dearth of craters has led scientists to suggest that either the north polar
cap is only about 100,000 years old or that crater impacts into the ice
disappear as the ice relaxes, just as imperfections disappear as old window
glass relaxes.

Color in the enhanced-color version of the Planum Boreum impact crater comes
from dust and from ice of various grain sizes. Blueish ice has a larger grain
size than the ice that has collected in the crater. Dust is reddish. A smooth
area stretching away from the crater to the upper right of the image may be
caused by winds around the crater or by fine-grained ice and frost blowing out
of the crater, HiRISE scientists say.

HiRISE has returned more than 8,200 gigapixel-size images of Mars' surface since
the start of its science mission in November 2006. The HiRISE team so far has
released a total of about 27 terabytes of data, more than all previous deep
space missions combined.

The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is managed by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory,
Pasadena, Calif., for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed
Martin Space Systems of Denver built the spacecraft. The UA operates the HiRISE
camera, built by Ball Aerospace and Technology Corp. of Boulder, Colo.

SCIENCE CONTACTS:
Shane Byrne (520-626-0407; shane at lpl.arizona.edu)
Alfred McEwen (520-621-4573; mcewen at lpl.arizona.edu)

LATEST HiRISE IMAGES: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/nea.php


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Wed Oct 15 19:51:44 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:51:44 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite - ALH761 photos uploaded
In-Reply-To: <33103356.57711224100804736.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>
Message-ID: <20081015235150.C87131053D@mailwash5.pair.com>

Here is a complete view of ALHA 76001 (listed as Allan Nunatak No. 1) from
the Proceedings of the Second Symposium on Yamato Meteorites (pg. 58):

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/76001.jpg

Definitely not the same stone. I looked through every photograph in every
catalog and cannot find anything similar to the shape of the eBay stone. One
theory is that it is simply an unclassified Antarctic collected by
non-meteorite related or geological research team. I am sure that once word
got around that meteorites were found in Allan Hills, other geological
research teams probably had an eye out for them.

Or... it is a clever scam, designed to fool us Antarctic research wannabes.

But, hey, the detective work is fun, right? :)

Mike Bandli


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Meteorite-Recon.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:00 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite - ALH761 photos uploaded

You folks are right. The salt textures on the crust are a common feature of
antarctic surface finds. Unfortunately the in situ photograph of ALH761 in
the Photographic Catalog of The Selected Antarctic Meteorites is of poor
quality, at least in my copy. Note the "mismatched saw cuts" on page 52.
 
I have uploaded the photos for those interested:
 
http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/meteoriten_ALH761.htm

The Catalog of Yamato Meteorites (Tokyo 1979) gives a brief description of
the mass that was found by a team consisting of K. Yanai, the grandmaster W.
Cassidy himself and E. Olsen. It says: " Large mass with abraded crust". A
small b&w photo is on plate 9. The entry continues: "Cut in two parts, 9671g
(Allan Hills 761,1) and 10244g, Allan Hills 761-2 (USA)."
 
Cheers
 
Svend
 
www.meteorite-recon.com
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Bandli" <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
To: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>; "Meteorite-list"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite????????????


> Here is another view of 76001 @ NIPR:
> 
> http://metdb.nipr.ac.jp/Data/ALH761/sALH-761.1-79_small_20082219597.jpg
> 
> The back has patches of crust, but doesn't look anything like the more
fresh and intact crust on the eBay material in question. 76001 was a 20.1kg
stone, so it is possible that it had a broken side. I'm away from my
photographic catalogs, but maybe someone else can check their own. I believe
either the Catalog of Yamato Meteorites or Photographic Catalog (1981) show
the entire mass. I'll check when I get home...
> 
> Mike Bandli
> 
> 




From magellon.ken at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 21:29:05 2008
From: magellon.ken at gmail.com (Ken Newton)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:29:05 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay meteorite, meteorwrong, or....?
In-Reply-To: <729271.17016.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.294.1224021339.35402.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<729271.17016.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c626e3e80810151829s879fbbbgf8426be867f3eac0@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry if this is a duplicate
Hi,
In my opinion, this is Cumberlandite. The guy is from Woonsocket RI
and THAT IS the source of Cumberlandite. If you go to his web site
(http://www.newmeteor.com/)one of his photos clearly shows tiny white
plagioclase crystals.
For more info see http://tinyurl.com/4gcsaf
Best,
ken

On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Michael Gilmer
<michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi folks!
>
> I've seen this "meteorite" up for auction several times in the last few months, and I am wondering if this
> is real, fake, or someone who doesn't know what they have?
>
> Does anyone have an opinion on this?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260300858270
>
> Regards,
>
> MikeG
>
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> ..........................................................
>
>
>
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From John at Cabassi.net  Wed Oct 15 23:12:53 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:12:53 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted
Message-ID: <004001c92f3d$174a5df0$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day List
I'm posting this for a friend, he's having trouble getting on here.

Cheers
Johnno

I have tried posting to the Met-List, but for some reason I cant... I have 
posted before but it isnt posting any of my recent posts...
anyway,

I am looking for a few samples of falls, here is what I am after:

1. L'Aigle fall on April 26, 1803 in Normandy, France
2. Siena fall on June 16, 1794 in Italy
3. Ensisheim fall on November 7, 1492
4. Allende sample (3-10 gram)
5. a sample of one of the ALH meteorites atleast 1 gram

If you can help me out, I will buy/trade for samples of these falls.

Greg

Please contact Greg Catterton at star_wars_collector at yahoo.com 


From chinaren76 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 16 01:35:04 2008
From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:35:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcement
Message-ID: <816554.13754.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello list,

Firstly, i say thanks to all of the friends who remind me of the following info,

A man who claimed himself as one of my friends is planning to sell "Zunhua" fragments. He advertised his stones by using photos from my website. His AD post are the following,

http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1223904071

http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1223987750

Now, i make a declaration to all of you,

1) I don't know this man;
2) I have NOT given any permission to anyone to use the photos of my website as of today. The photos he used were stolen from my website;
3) Any loss from deals with this person has nothing to do with me after you read this declaration.

Again, thanks to all who informed me of this matter. I will send my thanks letter to you later one by one.

Best to all,

Ma Lan
IMCA #8234
Beijing China
Web http://www.malanmeteorites.com/




      

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Thu Oct 16 03:57:23 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 16 Oct 2008 07:57:23 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite - ALH761 a.k.a. ALHA76001
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000007200003499@paulinet.de>

Mike wrote:

"Or... it is a clever scam, designed to fool us Antarctic research wannabes."

Something else that makes it a "suspicious" offer: ALHA76001 clearly is
an L6 chondrite whereas the one on EBay was offered as an H chondrite!

A typo? Maybe ...

Best from

"Doubting Bernd"


From nwa482 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 16 05:50:56 2008
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:50:56 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending tonight
Message-ID: <9C25069A030443FA8B05344555E927B4@DJQVK441>

Good Morning List Members........

I have auctions ending tonight, eBay ID catchafallingstar.com.  All auctions
started at 99 Cents.

In addition I have listed some Fixed Price listings of individual specimens
as well as some dealer lots.

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=catchafallingstar.com

Thanks for looking ................

Jim Strope
http://www.catchafallingstar.com



From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Thu Oct 16 06:19:51 2008
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:19:51 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite - ALH761 a.k.a. ALHA76001
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000007200003499@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.0000007200003499@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <48F71547.5090309@usgs.gov>

I've been told another scientist that there is a better candidate that 
this could be.  ALHA76009 was a huge find with many pieces.  The stones 
had nice black fusion crust.  Some of these pieces "went missing" after 
they were brought back from the field.  It too is L6.  I tried to see 
how we know that the ebay stone was H, but the listing is gone.

jeff

bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>
> "Or... it is a clever scam, designed to fool us Antarctic research wannabes."
>
> Something else that makes it a "suspicious" offer: ALHA76001 clearly is
> an L6 chondrite whereas the one on EBay was offered as an H chondrite!
>
> A typo? Maybe ...
>
> Best from
>
> "Doubting Bernd"
>
> ______________________________________________
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>   


--
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US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
954 National Center
Reston, VA 20192, USA



From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Thu Oct 16 06:39:51 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 16 Oct 2008 10:39:51 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite - ALH761 a.k.a. ALHA76001
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000710000349C@paulinet.de>

Jeff wrote:

"I tried to see how we know that the ebay stone was H, but the listing is gone."

Here is the link that should still work:

http://cgi.ebay.com/H-Class-Chondrite-Meteor-VERY-BIG-Found-At-South-Pole_W0QQitemZ180298547302QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ

Cheers,

Bernd


From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Thu Oct 16 09:23:19 2008
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:23:19 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending on Saturday
Message-ID: <005501c92f92$644bcdf0$140af90a@T42>

Dear All,

This week we have more goodies for you on ebay that you can see at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow

THESE AUCTIONS WILL END ON SATURDAY...

- An Al Haggounia slice weighing 60.5g, still at starting price!!!
- A 64.8g semi-individual of Chergach, H5, WITNESSED FALL, with great fusion 
crust of course.
- A 65.0g fragment of DAG 560, H4/5, a meteorite with a low tkw of 260g.
- A 63.1g endcut of El Arouss, an unclassified L-IMB coming from Caillou 
Noir (M. Franco)
- A 2.6 fragment of Oued El Hadjar, LL6, WITNESSED FALL with a nice story 
that you can read in the announcement... This fragment displays some fusion 
crust.
- A beautiful 4.9g encut of SAH 02503, which is a gorgeous CV3 with a low 
tkw of 741g
- A set of 7 fusion crusted unclassified O.C., all of them complete 
individuals, and one of them nicely oriented... total weight is 39g, so they 
are nice small complete meteorites and very affordable!

Good luck to all of you and thanks for looking!
Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA #2491


From marcin at polandmet.com  Thu Oct 16 12:09:21 2008
From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:09:21 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] LOT of complete, unclassified chondrites - AD
References: <33103356.57711224100804736.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>
Message-ID: <001801c92fa9$8d3132c0$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

Hi
This time I have something else.

17x NWA xxx specimens from Morocco. All complete, with crust or without but 
polished by sand. Very atractive display specimens, especially largest one 
5kg with nice shape and regmaglyptes.

http://www.polandmet.com/_nwaxxx.htm

PayPal preffered.paypal at polandmet.com

Shipping:
up to 1kg 30$
up to 3kg 40$
up to 5kg 50$

-----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)meteorite.pl
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
--------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------


From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Oct 16 12:52:53 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:52:53 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phobos=faux bos?
In-Reply-To: <001801c92fa9$8d3132c0$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>
References: <33103356.57711224100804736.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>
	<001801c92fa9$8d3132c0$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>
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http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1588924/closing_in_on_the_origin_of_phobos/

amazing image:

http://www.redorbit.com/modules/imglib/download.php?Url=/modules/news/upload/dcd8170ba805c62e3e752b20335678e8.jpg

Closing in on the Origin of Phobos

Posted on: Thursday, 16 October 2008, 06:55 CDT |

European space scientists are getting closer to unravelling the origin of Mars?
larger moon, Phobos. Thanks to a series of close encounters by ESA?s Mars
Express spacecraft, the moon looks almost certain to be a ?rubble pile?, rather
than a single solid object. However, mysteries remain about where the rubble
came from.
 
Unlike Earth, with its single large moon, Mars plays host to two small moons.
The larger one is Phobos, an irregularly sized lump of space rock measuring just
27 km x 22 km x 19 km. 

During the Summer, Mars Express made a series of close passes to Phobos. It
captured images at almost all fly-bys with the High Resolution Stereo Camera
(HRSC). A team led by Gerhard Neukum, Freie Universit?t Berlin, also involving
scientists from the German Aerospace Centre (DLR), is now using these and
previously collected data to construct a more accurate 3D model of Phobos, so
that its volume can be determined with more precision.

In addition, during one of the nearest fly-bys, the Mars Express Radio Science
(MaRS) Experiment team led by Martin P?tzold, Rheinisches Institut fuer
Umweltforschung at the University of Cologne, carefully monitored the
spacecraft?s radio signals. They recorded the changes in frequency brought about
by Phobos? gravity pulling Mars Express. This data is being used by Tom Andert,
Universit?t der Bundeswehr Muenchen and Pascal Rosenblatt, Royal Observatory of
Belgium, both members of the MaRS team, to calculate the precise mass of the
martian moon.

Putting the mass and volume data together, the teams will be able to calculate
the density. Eventually, this will be a new important clue to how the moon
formed.

Previously, radio tracking from the Soviet Phobos 88 mission and from the
spacecraft orbiting Mars in the past decades had provided the most accurate
mass. ?We can be ten times more precise in our frequency shift measurements
today,? says Rosenblatt.

The team?s current mass estimate for Phobos is 1.072 1016 kg, or about one
billionth the mass of the Earth.

Preliminary density calculations suggest that it is just 1.85 grams per cubic
centimetre. This is lower than the density of the martian surface rocks, which
are 2.7-3.3 grams per cubic centimetre, but very similar to that of some
asteroids.

The particular class of asteroids that share Phobos? density are known as
D-class. They are believed to be highly fractured bodies containing giant
caverns because they are not solid. Instead, they are a collection of pieces,
held together by gravity. Scientists call them rubble piles.

Also, spectroscopic data from Mars Express and previous spacecraft show that
Phobos has a similar composition to these asteroids. This suggests that Phobos,
and probably its smaller sibling Deimos, are captured asteroids. However, one
observation remains difficult to explain in this scenario.

Usually captured asteroids are injected into random orbits around the planet
that gravitationally tie them, but Phobos orbits above Mars? equator ? a very
specific case. Scientists do not yet understand how it could do this.

In another scenario, Phobos could have been made of martian rocks that were
blasted into space during a large meteorite impact. These pieces have not fallen
completely together, thus creating the rubble pile.

So the question remains, where did the original material come from ? Mars?
surface or the asteroid belt? The MARSIS radar on board Mars Express has also
collected historic data about Phobos? subsurface. This data, together with that
from the moon?s surface and surroundings gathered by the other Mars Express
instruments, will also help put constraints on the origin. It?s clear though
that the whole truth will only be known when samples of the moon are brought
back to Earth for analysis in laboratories.

This exciting possibility might soon become reality because the Russians will
attempt to do this with the Phobos-Grunt mission, to be launched next year. To
land on Phobos, they will require the precise knowledge of the mass as measured
by the MaRS Experiment in order to navigate correctly, and are also making use
of the HRSC images to select the landing site.
 
More Information

Between 23 July and 15 September 2008 Mars Express performed a series of eight
fly-bys of the martian moon Phobos, at distances ranging between 4500 and 93 km
from the centre of the moon, conducting some of the most detailed investigations
of the Moon to date. In observing Phobos, Mars Express benefits from its highly
elliptical orbit which takes it from a closest Mars approach of 270 km above the
surface up to a maximum of 10 000 km from the planet's centre, crossing the 9
400 km orbit of the moon. Like our Moon, Phobos always shows the same side to
the planet, so it is only by flying outside the orbit that it becomes possible
to observe the far side. The other spacecraft presently orbiting Mars do so at
much lower altitudes, and therefore only see the planet-facing side of the moon.

The High-Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) collected pictures of the moon?s
surface with the highest resolution possible, in colour and in 3-D, and provided
images of areas never glimpsed before. By September, also the Super Resolution
(SRC) Camera, part of the HRSC experiment, collected plenty of images. During
the second fly-by, all efforts were concentrated on accurately determining the
mass of the moon using the MaRS experiment.

The Visible and Infrared Mineralogical Mapping Spectrometer, OMEGA, the
Planetary Fourier Spectrometer, PFS, and the Ultraviolet and Infrared
Atmospheric Spectrometer, SPICAM, gathered details on the surface composition,
geochemistry and temperature of Phobos.

The MARSIS radar collected information on the topography of the moon?s surface
and on the structure of its interior. The Energetic neutral atoms analyser,
ASPERA studied the environment around Phobos, in particular the plasma that
surrounds the moon and also the interaction of the moon with the solar wind. 

From bristolia at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 16 15:07:29 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:07:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Reevaluation of the Tektites from Proposed Mahuika
	Impact (New Zealand)
Message-ID: <320648.71642.qm@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A Reevaluation of the Tektites Associated with 
the Proposed Mahuika Impact, Mohana Kumar, Earth 
and Environmental Sciences Journalism, Columbia
University - Master's Thesis

links to PDF file of Master's Thesis 

http://www.mohikumar.com/science.html

http://www.mohikumar.com/PDFs/Science_Thesis_with_Abstract.pdf

Masters Thesis Figures

http://www.mohikumar.com/PDFs/Figures_final.pdf

Yours,

Paul H.




      

From bristolia at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 16 15:20:15 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:20:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates
	forNorth American and Australasian Tektites
Message-ID: <156634.65823.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sterling K. Webb wrote:

>Are these "alleged tektites" that you refer to the
>ones found in Glenmora, Rapides Parish, that were
>reported on by King in 1970?
>http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1970Metic...5Q.205K
>No abstract or paper available. I guess these 
>tektites are not popular.

Yes, they are the ones that I referred to.

>Former (?) List member Ed Albin:
>http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/LPSC99/pdf/1357.pdf
>"King [1968] described a bediasite find within the
>upper Eocene Wellborn Formation in Grimes County,
>Texas. This deposit has been traced eastward and
>correlates with the Yazoo Clay Formation in Louisiana,
>Mississippi, Alabama, and the Dry Branch Formation
>in Georgia. It is entirely possible that North American
>tektites may eventually be recovered from upper 
>Eocene deposits between Georgia and Texas."
>
>But were King's tektites North American tektites in
>composition? Wetback Bediasites, as it were?

According to King (1970), their composition was 
identical to certain Australites. They also were 
dated by K/Ar dating to about the same age as 
Australites. Therefore, they clearly are not North 
American strewn field tektites. I expect that when 
someone looks at the right outcrop, that tektites 
of the North American strewn field will be found 
in either Eocene strata of the right age or 
redeposited in younger Pliocene or Pleistocene 
gravels within Louisiana.

>In 1986, leading geochemist Cristian Koeberl
>said the King tektites from Louisiana were Australites:
>http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.ea.14.050186.001543?journalCode=earth
>I can't get to that paper, naturally.

Again, that is what King (1970) concluded from 
composition and K/Ar dating. The tektite examined 
by King (1970) was one of two specimens sent him 
by an unnamed "Louisiana rancher" as possible 
meteorites. The rancher said that he had found 
it and two other similar specimens at a "local" 
gravel pit in 1965. 

>I can get to this paper by Koeberl (and so can
>everybody else on the List). It's his analysis 
>of the Cuban "tektite" which proved to be a 
>member of the North American strewnfield:
>http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1988Metic..23..161K
>but I can't pull a quote out as the paper's a page 
>image, not text. The gist of Koeberl's remark is 
>that the "Cuban" tektite is genuine, in distinction 
>to King's tektites which were "allergedly" found in 
>Louisiana, were then discovered to be Australites, 
>and therefore could not have come from Louisiana. 
>He said that they were a fraud, in other words. 
>The tektites are tektites, but is the find a find 
>in Louisiana?

The problem, as I have discovered doing archaeology, 
is that people can be vary careless in keeping track, 
what specimen was found and where it was and what 
specimens were bought and where they were bought. 
Unfortunately, some collectors of artifacts, fossils, 
rocks, and tektite get their specimens mixed up and 
lose track of what was found where. It was 5 years 
between when the specimens were reported to have 
been found and King's paper. One possibility is that 
the collector lost track of where and how he 
originally obtained the specimens. The question is
one of human carelessness that abounds among some 
collectors. 

There is the archaeological site in Hawaii where 
hundreds of European Paleolithic artifacts were found
that shows how prehistoric materials have been 
unintentionally moved about by humans in historic 
times. How that happened is another story that is 
quite instructional about how stuff gets misplaced 
around the world by accident. 

>but is the find a find in Louisiana?

That is the key question as King (1970) pointed out.

>What Koeberl was not aware of is that some years
>later Alan Hildebrandt (another geochemical 
>authority) found some Australities in and around 
>Tikal, the ancient Mayan city in Guatemala adjacent 
>to the Yucatan. On the global scale, Louisiana and 
>the Yucatan a mere tektite's throw apart, and both 
>roughly antipodal to the Australasian strewnfield.

The Tikal tektites are unexplained. They consist 
of 11 "nodules" found among obsidian tools in 
various parts of the Tikal site, Guatemala. Unlike the 
"Louisiana tektites", they were found during 
archaeological excavations. Thus, it is known that
they are "in situ" at least within the region within
prehistoric times. It has been suggested that they
are tektites of the Muong Nong type. Also, they have
been Ar/Ar dated at 800,000+/-100,000 BP. Nothing 
like them has been found at any other site or parts 
of Central America. The Tikal tektites, like any 
other tektite, continue to defy any attempt to 
explain them.

A Couple Tikal tektite references:

Nagy, H. M.,2002, Tikal Report 27B: The Artifacts
of Tikal : Utilitarian Artifacts and Unworked
Material, University of Pennsylvania Museum
Publication, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Hildebrand, A. R., Moholy-Nagy, H., Koeberl, C.,
May, L., and others, 1994, Tektites found in the
ruins of the Maya city of Tikal, Guatemala. Lunar
and Planetary Science, vol. 77, pp. 213-219.

>If this is the case, then no amount of analysis of
>the "alleged" tektites is meaningful -- they are 
>tektites!

I agree with King, Koeberl, and you that they are 
tektites. The problem, which King (1970) also discusses, 
is that it is uncertain whether these tektites came from 
Louisiana or not.

>You would need instead need to investigate the
>circumstances of the find, the character and motives
>of the finder. This would seem to be a difficult goal
>to pursue definitively after a 38 year lapse.

That is what I have been doing off and on for a couple 
of years. Having checked NASA, University of Houston,
king's daughter, and many other places, I found that 
all of the field notes, laboratory notes, pictures, 
maps, and specimen(s) related to King (1970) have 
apparently been lost. Nobody, whom I have contacted, 
know where these materials are. If anyone has any ideas 
where these materials might be / can be found, please 
drop me a note off-list with your ideas and suggestions.

>But if they are (both) Australites and were discovered
>in situ, that in itself is major news (or an inconvenience 
>to be ignored, of course), like the Ivory Coast tektite
>(identified by analysis in 1982 by Shaw and Wasserberg)
>found off the coast of Australia in the sea bed. (Currents?
>Yeah, sure...)
>
>If Koerberl said the Louisiana tektites were real
>(and Australites), then they were tektites. No question.
>Better go find some more! Did anybody record the exact
>location of the find?

Apparently Dr. King did know as he and "three field 
assistants" spent three days at the gravel pit looking 
for more tektites and found none. While, talking with 
people, I found that his daughter also accompanied 
them to look for tektites. However, she did not
remember anything about the pit's location. Unfortunately, 
any field or personal notes and  maps about the exact 
location of the gravel pits have apparently all been 
either misplaced or discarded and utterly lost for any
practical purposes. Without this information, it is 
impossible to find out who the "Louisiana rancher" was 
and check to see if he might have either any more 
specimens or information.

Another problem is that the gravel pits around Glenmora, 
Louisiana have been largely reclaimed. Thus, even if we 
knew exactly where the gravel pit was located, very 
likely there would be nothing except grass and ponds to 
look at.

If a person applies what is known about the local 
geomorphology and Pleistocene sediments, there is a 
specific ?stratigraphic? horizon where a person can 
expect to find them, if they exist. That is where I am
looking for them. Also, I have contacted knowledgeable 
people have, after a fashion, have been looking over 
the locations where any tektites might be found 
around Glenmora on a regular basis for decades. What 
they have and have not found does say something 
about whether Louisiana tektites might exist. The 
specific details of the above part of the story are 
best told at another time and in another venue.

Yours,

Paul H.


      

From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 16 16:05:30 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:05:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] more unclassifieds forsale (AD)
Message-ID: <734578.21991.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi all.My first batch of unclassifieds are sold.I have 5 more forsale,if interested.They are as follows:163.5 gram individual,104.7 gram individual.211.6 gram endcut with shiny complete crust,213.8 gram individual,and finally a 156.3 gram endcut with shiny crust as well as some desert varnish.I f you buy,I will throw in a small cher gach (mali) and a small oriented gao.Also my pictures from my san francisco trip is up on my website,including some nice pics of Mr. bob's meteorite  collection and the fun time I had out there.Please let me know offlist.$350 for everything and I pay shipping.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Thu Oct 16 16:07:56 2008
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:07:56 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite - ALH761 a.k.a. ALHA76001
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000000710000349C@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.000000710000349C@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <48F79F1C.1080802@ntlworld.com>

There is no mention of it being H or L...but what makes it suspicious to 
me is that it looks like it is an end cut...one face looks sawn. Surely 
that would not have happened if it was found in the hull of the 
boat...unless the owner has had it cut since??

Graham Ensor,UK

bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote:

>Jeff wrote:
>
>"I tried to see how we know that the ebay stone was H, but the listing is gone."
>
>Here is the link that should still work:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/H-Class-Chondrite-Meteor-VERY-BIG-Found-At-South-Pole_W0QQitemZ180298547302QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
>
>Cheers,
>
>Bernd
>
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Thu Oct 16 17:58:32 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:58:32 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite - ALH761 a.k.a. ALHA76001
Message-ID: <101620082158.6727.48F7B908000056B400001A4722070245539B01010096969A00@comcast.net>

Hello Graham,

This point came up in an off-list conversation with another collector and he mentioned that it was highly plausible that an Antarctic research vessel would have a rock saw on-board. I would agree, especially if there was any geological research involved.

Best,

Mike Bandli

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: ensoramanda <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
> There is no mention of it being H or L...but what makes it suspicious to 
> me is that it looks like it is an end cut...one face looks sawn. Surely 
> that would not have happened if it was found in the hull of the 
> boat...unless the owner has had it cut since??
> 
> Graham Ensor,UK
> 
> bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote:
> 
> >Jeff wrote:
> >
> >"I tried to see how we know that the ebay stone was H, but the listing is 
> gone."
> >
> >Here is the link that should still work:
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/H-Class-Chondrite-Meteor-VERY-BIG-Found-At-South-Pole_W0QQi
> temZ180298547302QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Bernd
> >
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From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 19:00:31 2008
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:00:31 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite - ALH761 a.k.a. ALHA76001
In-Reply-To: <48F71547.5090309@usgs.gov>
References: <DIIE.0000007200003499@paulinet.de> <48F71547.5090309@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <6f9da8300810161600j2426d853y4e38f6710ced11e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jeff and list
 you wrote
"Some of these pieces "went missing" after they were
> brought back from the field."

According to Cassidy "Meteorites, Ice and Antarctica A personal Account"

p 36-37

In Jan 18, 1977 they recovered 34 fragments with a total weight of 407
kg of ALHA76001.

"With the resounding success of our first field season, it became easy
to justify further work. But success can breed problems, and we had
our share. Word spread through the small community at McMurdo, and
when we had packed our specimen boxes, nailed them shut, addressed
them and strapped them for shipment, they were easy to identify as
ours. And anyone could know they contained meteorites. Who would not
want this kind of souvenir from Antarctica? So it was that after we
had left for home someone broke into one of the Japanese boxes and
removed a number of pieces of the 407 kg meteorite. These apparently
were distributed into several willing hands..."
"Months later, a principal investigator saw a meteorite fragment on
his assistant's shelf. The assistant readily admitted it was an
antarctic meteorite and claimed to have walked in on the looting of
the box by several people he did not know. This is the only one of the
missing fragments we have ever recovered."


-- 
Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com



On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov> wrote:
> I've been told another scientist that there is a better candidate that this
> could be.  ALHA76009 was a huge find with many pieces.  The stones had nice
> black fusion crust.  Some of these pieces "went missing" after they were
> brought back from the field.  It too is L6.  I tried to see how we know that
> the ebay stone was H, but the listing is gone.
>
> jeff
>
> bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote:
>>
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>> "Or... it is a clever scam, designed to fool us Antarctic research
>> wannabes."
>>
>> Something else that makes it a "suspicious" offer: ALHA76001 clearly is
>> an L6 chondrite whereas the one on EBay was offered as an H chondrite!
>>
>> A typo? Maybe ...
>>
>> Best from
>>
>> "Doubting Bernd"
>>
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>
>
> --
> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
> US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
> 954 National Center
> Reston, VA 20192, USA
>
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From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Thu Oct 16 20:11:31 2008
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:11:31 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin 94 draft
In-Reply-To: <48F79F1C.1080802@ntlworld.com>
References: <DIIE.000000710000349C@paulinet.de> <48F79F1C.1080802@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <48F7D833.5060108@usgs.gov>

To the list:

The new Editor of the Meteoritical Bulletin, Mike Weisberg, is resuming 
an old tradition from when I was editor.  He has placed a draft version 
of the next bulletin, number 94, on the web for people to look at.  If 
anybody finds any errors, there is now a chance to correct them before 
the bulletin goes to press and before the final data go into the MetBull 
database.  The link is:

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/docs/mb94_draft.pdf

Please direct any comments or corrections only to Mike Weisberg 
<meteorite at kingsborough.edu> and not to me.

Also please feel free to share the link with people off-list who might 
be interested.

Jeff

--
Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
954 National Center
Reston, VA 20192, USA



From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Thu Oct 16 22:33:49 2008
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:33:49 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite - ALH761 a.k.a. ALHA76001
In-Reply-To: <6f9da8300810161600j2426d853y4e38f6710ced11e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081017023357.622001059C@mailwash5.pair.com>

Hi Mike,

Great post and excerpt, though you must mean 407kg of ALHA76009, not 76001. 

Here is a photo of all the original fragments (sorry it's reduced to save
bandwidth):

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/alha76009-frags.jpg

ALHA76009 consisted of many weathered fragments with sparse and patchy
crust. As you can see, none match the eBay auction in question.

I don't believe it is 76009.

Best,

Mike Bandli







-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Jensen
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:01 PM
To: Jeff Grossman
Cc: meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] South Pole Meteorite - ALH761 a.k.a. ALHA76001

Hi Jeff and list
 you wrote
"Some of these pieces "went missing" after they were
> brought back from the field."

According to Cassidy "Meteorites, Ice and Antarctica A personal Account"

p 36-37

In Jan 18, 1977 they recovered 34 fragments with a total weight of 407
kg of ALHA76001.

"With the resounding success of our first field season, it became easy
to justify further work. But success can breed problems, and we had
our share. Word spread through the small community at McMurdo, and
when we had packed our specimen boxes, nailed them shut, addressed
them and strapped them for shipment, they were easy to identify as
ours. And anyone could know they contained meteorites. Who would not
want this kind of souvenir from Antarctica? So it was that after we
had left for home someone broke into one of the Japanese boxes and
removed a number of pieces of the 407 kg meteorite. These apparently
were distributed into several willing hands..."
"Months later, a principal investigator saw a meteorite fragment on
his assistant's shelf. The assistant readily admitted it was an
antarctic meteorite and claimed to have walked in on the looting of
the box by several people he did not know. This is the only one of the
missing fragments we have ever recovered."


-- 
Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com



On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:19 AM, Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov> wrote:
> I've been told another scientist that there is a better candidate that
this
> could be.  ALHA76009 was a huge find with many pieces.  The stones had
nice
> black fusion crust.  Some of these pieces "went missing" after they were
> brought back from the field.  It too is L6.  I tried to see how we know
that
> the ebay stone was H, but the listing is gone.
>
> jeff
>
> bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote:
>>
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>> "Or... it is a clever scam, designed to fool us Antarctic research
>> wannabes."
>>
>> Something else that makes it a "suspicious" offer: ALHA76001 clearly is
>> an L6 chondrite whereas the one on EBay was offered as an H chondrite!
>>
>> A typo? Maybe ...
>>
>> Best from
>>
>> "Doubting Bernd"
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From marcin at meteoryty.pl  Fri Oct 17 05:53:56 2008
From: marcin at meteoryty.pl (MArcin Cimala - PolandMET)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:53:56 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 17 10:28:56 2008
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:28:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Online Moldavite papers (including "Moldavites: a
	review")
Message-ID: <186345.49190.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The Czech Geological Survey has a number 
of papers published in the Bulletin of 
the Czech Geological Survey. These papers
include some that discuss Moldavites.

The Czech Geological Survey web page is at:

http://www.geology.cz/extranet-eng

http://www.geology.cz/extranet-eng/search

The papers, which found are:

Trnka, M., and  Houzar, S., 2002, Moldavites: a 
review. Bulletin of the Czech Geological Survey. 
Vol. 77, No. 4,pp.  283-302.

http://www.geology.cz/bulletin/contents/2002/vol77no4/04trnkafinal.pdf

Artemieva, N., E. Pierazzo, and Stoffler, D., 
2002, Numerical modeling of tektite origin in 
oblique impacts: Implication to Ries-Moldavites 
strewn field. Bulletin of the Czech Geological 
Survey. vol. 77, no. 4, pp. 303-311.

http://www.geology.cz/bulletin/contents/2002/vol77no4/05artemievafinal.pdf

Sevcik, J., Z. Kvacek, and D. H. Mai, 2007, A 
new mastixioid florula from tektite-bearing 
deposits in South Bohemia, Czech Republic 
(Middle Miocene, Vr?b?e Member). Bulletin 
of Geosciences, Vol. 82, No. 4, 429-436, 

http://www.geology.cz/bulletin/contents/2007/vol82no4/bullgeosci200704429.pdf

Kvacek, Z., and V. Teodoridis, 2007, Tertiary 
macrofloras of the Bohemian Massif: a review 
with correlations within Boreal and Central 
Europe. Bulletin of Geosciences, Vol. 82, 
No. 4, 383-408. Bulletin of Geosciences, Vol. 82, No. 4, 429-436,

http://www.geology.cz/bulletin/contents/2007/vol82no4/bullgeosci200704429.pdf

Yours,

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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Fri Oct 17 11:10:32 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:10:32 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
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Hi Mike,

interesting analyses, many thanks!

My experiences are somewhat differing, this year will have been the best so
far for Chladni's Heirs. Partially the European collectors profit from the
weak USD and were stocking up their collections as I can't remember having
seen before, while we couldn't observe major changes in the demand from USA
despite the crises.

You're predictions could be right, when the number of collectors and
interested people would be constant, but my feelings are, that this is not
the case and the number of buyers and new collectors was and is rapidly
growing during the very few recent years.

That could be a reason for your observation, which I made too, that
substantial specimens of historical falls and finds became remarkably rarer.
I wouldn't say that more and more collectors changed their habits to
historic locales, I'd say there are simply many more collectors (while the
supply of historics is limited), because we observed also an increased
demand in good and/or rare desert parallely.

With planetaries I have to disagree.
Remember 3 years back. Where do you find Dho 019 at 150$/g and even small
Zagamis at that price today, as it was then on ebay? On which dealer's page
can you still find the old standard price for the "standard"-Martians from
the DaG 476-series and the SaUs of 250$/g (and consequently sometimes lower
on ebay)? Where have all the SaUs gone? Where are the endless fullslices of
DaG 476? 
During the last 3 years the Martians doubled, tripled and sometimes
quadrupled in price.
The only exception were the later surfacing small specimens of those very
fresh Martians, cause they were readily available through shows to
collectors in small quantities, making a nice fast buck for them (btw. the
first planetary, I can remember of, where pieces were retailed unclassified
and unnumbered) - but those are gone now.
So to me it seems rather, that the Martians will turn back to the level of
the end-90ies again - no wonder, as there was and is taking place the
renaissance of the Mars-missions by NASA and ESA.

Different it is with lunaites, there I believe to have observed a slightly
hesitant attitude of the specialized collectors (but not from clients beyond
the collectors scene). I guess they simply were waiting, whether the new NWA
5000 with its 12kg would have an impact on the Moon-prices in general and
whether they would find lunaites soon at 50 bucks a gram.
Obviously it wasn't the case, so this little delay will be most probably of
a very temporary nature. Remember in this respect the Russian
Dhofar-stampede years ago,
where some dealers already had seen the end of all lunars have come - how
soon they returned to the old level (and how happy these are, who bought in
these days).
And of course, exceptionel lunars still find their buyers at good prices.
And anyway, the offerors can't bend over backwards for the collectors ad
libitum, because although more finds appeared in NWA-wonderland, the prices
there have grown - also a reflection of a higher demand - and sometimes
lunars or Martians don't make it to the market anymore at all, but disappear
directly and entirely in collections.

Desert finds won't suffer on the long run. Everybody is bemoaning for more
than 3 years now, that the Moroccan assortment on the shows, regarding
achondrites, rarer types, fresh-crusters and oriented ones is getting
slimmer from year to year. With exception of the great and rich new
Maghreb-falls.
The overall volume of such finds is so tiny, that a possible dry-out will
take place much more fast than a possible decrease in demand.

Such finds and such qualities are already now much better paid than 2-3
years ago.

And I don't know, whether ebay is for these types a good indicator.
I confess, that I'm not looking that often into ebay, but if I do so, I have
the feeling, that those times, where you could win there a fairly mighty
chunk of an R, let's say NWA 753 at less than 3$/g or an fresh crusted
howardite at 2 or 4$/g are gone.
In fact, from time to time I made an addition, how many grams of a rare
desert type REALLY were sold on ebay per week. Well and there the results
often were for Rs, angrites, CR2s ect - all auctions respectively - often
not more than 2grams here, 5 grams there...in total.
So that one easily could suppose, that ebay isn't the sector, where the big
volume of such kind of material is moved.
Similarly it could be valid for larger specimens of rare historics.

Ebay mainly is mass locales, bulk stuff and micros of rarer meteorites.

With the mass locales you could observe by your own, how even the largest
finds in history were absorbed relatively quickly.
NWA 869, Gibeon e.g.- or all those Sikhotes, Seymchan, Brahins, even the
classified Dhofar-OCs, Chingas hence those where the supply thinned out,
cause our Russian heroes were more inactive, - they all got more expensive.
And one hasn't to be a seer, that even the Campos sold now at 30-50$/kg will
in 4 or 5 years get different prices, when the new Argentine law will have
taken its toll.

I think that I can say, that during the last few years, historics got
slightly more expensive, as well as Mars among the planetaries and rarer and
rarest desert and additionally high-quality items in general and in some
cases remarkably.
(Mass locales, if the supply was thinning out, too).
New falls, if not from the upper half of Africa, got world-record-prices.
Some mass locales, where the supply is good will stay as cheap as today for
the next years and especially the unclassified more weathered ordinary
chondrites, cause most of them seem not yet have to reached the market at
all.

And so far I can't see any reason, why this trend shouldn't continue.

Of course one can mention a lot of exceptions and there will be also
exceptions in future, but that is a more general view.

...and of course - I'm a dealer.

Therefore don't trust into my assertion to much, if I say - still it is
rather a market for buyers than for sellers.

Best!
Martin
   

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Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike
Bandli
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Oktober 2008 00:25
An: 'al mitterling'; 'Michael L Blood'; michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com;
'Meteorite List'
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?

At this point in time, my view is that the economic crisis has had little
immediate effect on the meteorite market. My observation has been that
historical and older witnessed falls continue to rise and sell quickly
(especially from the Old-World). More and more rare/historical falls are
reaching the $100+ a gram price, whereas a few years ago they were 'only'
$50/g. I believe there are several reasons for this:

1. Less museums and institutions are exchanging historical material.

2. More historical material is being sectioned down into smaller pieces and
macros making them more expensive (and larger pieces difficult to find).

3. I believe that more and more collectors are aspiring to collect
historical falls.

4. Hard Provenance. Provenance can add exceptional value to a piece and more
and more dealers are providing it pre-sale. (copies of old museum or
collector labels, chain of ownership, etc.).

On the other hand Dessert Finds, USA finds, and planetaries are cheap and
seem to be on a small decline. I believe there are several reasons for this
as well:

1. Dessert Finds: Many collectors have filled their type-collections making
otherwise rare types a little less desirable. Exceptions would be extremely
fresh material, new sub-types, or aesthetic pieces. Look how cheap CV3's
are!

2. USA Finds: There seems to have been a flood of this material over the
last few years - supply/demand. Exceptions would include ultra-rare irons,
rare localities, or old labels/provenance.

3. Planetaries: I'm not entirely sure what is happening here, but Lunars and
Martians could be purchased very cheap (in bulk) in Tucson. Perhaps supply
has overgrown demand. $1000/g planetaries are, for now, a thing of the past.
I believe that they will re-bound in several years, however, making them a
smart buy now.

These three groups may also suffer more as a result of the long-term
economic crisis as collectors begin prioritizing their collections. 

I have been keeping a pretty close eye on this and it seems that eBay, for
the most part, is not the place to sell right now. The upside is that eBay
has some great bargains for buyers. As a result, I predict that more sellers
will discontinue the .99 cent selling format and begin using fixed prices on
eBay. 

I also get the sense that some dealers are hoarding and/or are on selling
freezes. I haven't purchased much in the last few months only because there
is little for sale that suits my collection requirements. It will be
interesting to see where things are in February at Tucson.

Just my opinion and personal observations... Others' may be different and I
look forward to more posts on this topic.

Regards,

Mike Bandli
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-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of al
mitterling
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:09 PM
To: Michael L Blood; michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?

Hi Michael, Michael, Matt and all,

My sells have been very good this year even a good percentage over last 
years sells.

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
To: <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List" 
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Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?


> Hi Michael and all,
>        No, you are not the only one. Aside from some outstanding
> Mali specimens at rock bottom prices (pun intended), my sales
> Are zero since the Democrats fiasco has begun.
>        More in the Nov. Meteorite Market Trends....
>        (howsabout others???)
>        Best wishes, Michael
>
> on 10/12/08 9:27 AM, Michael Gilmer at michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else noticed a steep drop in sales since the stock market and
>> credit market woes began?
>>
>> My sales this month, so far, have bottomed out.  It's the worst first two
>> weeks of a month, for sales, since
>> I started dealing meteorites in January of this year.
>>
>> At first, I thought it was just a normal "hiccup" in sales, which happens

>> from
>> time to time.  But as my
>> sale offers languish without a single response, I am now starting to 
>> wonder.
>> Is anyone else experiencing
>> this, or is it just me because I have a relatively-small customer base?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .........................................................
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>> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
>> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 17 12:45:35 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:45:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ice Falling from Sky Hits House,
	Woman in Pennsylvania
Message-ID: <200810171645.JAA11616@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.inyork.com/ci_10677963?source=most_emailed  

Icy awakening for York Township woman
ELIZABETH EVANS 
The York Dispatch (Pennsylvania)
October 9, 2008

Asleep in her bed Wednesday morning, Mary Ann Foster was rudely awakened
by a UFO - an unidentified falling object.

About 5:30 a.m., a large chunk of ice fell through the sky, crashed
through her roof and ceiling and shattered into smaller pieces, she said.

"I'm just glad I'm alive, to tell you the truth," Foster said. "I guess
it wasn't my time."

One of the smaller pieces of mystery ice struck her on the right side of
her forehead, jolting her from her dreams.

"If a bigger piece hit me, I'd probably be in trouble," the 66-year-old
grandmother said calmly, sitting in her kitchen on Deerfield Lane in
York Township. "It could've been fatal."

When the ice smashed through the roof, "it had a tremendous amount of
power to it," she said.

The chunk of ice left Foster with a large bump on her forehead, she
said, but after putting some man-made ice on it and lying on her couch
for a few hours, the swelling receded. Despite the big bruise on her
forehead, Foster said she isn't really suffering.

"I feel good," she said. "I have some stinging ... but I'm feeling
pretty normal now."

Her husband, Perry Foster, called York Area Regional Police, she said.
After emergency officials arrived she declined an ambulance ride to a
local hospital and instead went to her own doctor, she said.

The doctor told her to be careful for the first 24 hours, but that she
was probably fine, she said.

Six pounds of ice: Before taking his wife to the doctor's
office, Perry Foster, 68, gathered up the largest chunks of ice, put
them in plastic bags and put them in his freezer - "right next to the
bagels," he said. But first, he weighed them.

"It's six pounds," he said.

The couple obliged a steady stream of reporters in their home by taking
out the ice and displaying it on their kitchen counter. It's clear in
some areas and whitish in others, and doesn't appear to have debris
frozen inside.

"It almost looks like quartz," Mary Ann Foster said. "There is a little
fish smell to it, which is weird."

Perry Foster said he was up early Wednesday morning and was downstairs
when his wife alerted him to the strange event.

"I was just utterly shocked and surprised," he said.

Home damaged: Perry Foster said the damage to their roof and ceiling is
extensive.

"It was a very high-velocity impact," he said.

The ice left a baseball-sized hole in the roof and a bigger hole in
their bedroom ceiling, he said.

"It knocked down the ceiling tile and went through the fiberglass
insulation, which is hanging down, and there's debris all over the
place," Perry Foster said.

By Wednesday afternoon, a work crew had arrived to do a temporary fix
until permanent repairs can be made, he said.

York Area Regional Police estimated the hole in the ceiling to be 18 to
24 inches, and said the chunk of ice was probably 18 inches long before
it broke up.

What is it? Sgt. Rod Varner said police believe the ice probably fell
from an airplane and have notified the Federal Aviation Administration.

"This sort of thing has happened throughout the U.S., so that's what
we're assuming it was," he said. "I'm not sure of any other theory the
officers are going with right now."

But the Fosters' son-in-law did a bit of Internet research and
discovered that scientists "had been predicting there was going to be a
meteor shower of ice on Oct. 8 over this region, including Maryland,"
Perry Foster said. He wondered whether their ice chunk could be connected.

"I'd love to know" where it came from, Mary Ann Foster said.

UCLA professor and meteorite expert John Wasson said he doubts the ice
is part of a meteorite shower.

"The fact that it doesn't have any dirt in it is contrary to what you'd
expect from a comet," he said. "These things have happened in the past,
and inevitably the conclusion has been they have fallen off an airplane."

Study recommended: Still, Wasson said, the ice should be examined to
determine its isotropic properties, which should clear up the mystery.

"It's good that they saved the ice," he said.

Wasson said the ice could not have come from the Draconid meteor shower,
which is happening now.

"The Draconids have been around for a very long time," he said. "They
don't have any ice left. None of the meteors are wet."

Someday, he said, a piece of ice from a comet could hit the earth.

"But all evidence to this point (suggests) it is terrestrial ice that
fell off an airplane or rocket."



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 17 12:47:10 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:47:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 13-17, 2008
Message-ID: <200810171647.JAA12413@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
October 13-17, 2008

o Dark Slope Streaks (Released 13 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081013a

o Gullies (Released 14 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081014a

o Dunes (Released 15 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081015a

o Fractures and Collapse (Released 16 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081016a

o Lava Channel (Released 17 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081017a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From mexicodoug at aim.com  Fri Oct 17 13:25:34 2008
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:25:34 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Monterey meteor
Message-ID: <8CAFE947F4EA580-794-E5@MBLK-D29.sysops.aol.com>

http://www.montereyherald.com/ci_10734002

Fireball sighting over Monterey-Salinas, it even got a police report 
and an investigation of the 'crash' sight!

Also, if you're in a joking mood, the article ends on a humorous note.  
It currently reads:
Don?t miss the Earth?s passing through "Uranus meteor shower" "in three 
weeks".

I guess the newspaper doesn't know Uranus from Orion's elbow.  Uranus 
is currently visiting with Aquarius.  Aquarius is such a California 
constellation, too. *sigh*.

The Californian press might have found "Uranus" homonymic with the 
Orionids, which will LAST for three weeks and peaks early next week.  
They can be seen radiating from an area a third of the way from 
Betelgeuse, the Hunter's big red giant armpit to the twin Gemini stars, 
Castor and Pollux.  Tuesday(21) and Wednesday(22) wee hours between 
between 12:01 am and 1:00 am or whenever is just before Moonrise at the 
observer's location will be ok, though probably nothing to write home 
about since the best hours (the 'weeer' and 'weeest' hours) are washed 
out.  Still it?s worth catching an occasional nice glimpse of a speedy 
fireball from Halley's Comet if you missed the watered down main show 
in '86.

Best wishes, great health,
Doug

From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 17 14:06:37 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:06:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] HALLOWEEN GIVAWAYS
Message-ID: <658852.14219.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Well before you know it,it will be halloween.I have decided to have another freebie session.I have 5 small pieces to givaway.I have 1 erg chech,1 glorietta mt.,1 oriented gao,1 unclassified,and 1 small surprise.First come will be served!shipping on me.Hurry once gone all gone.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/

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From tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com  Fri Oct 17 17:45:57 2008
From: tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com (Tom Randall (KB2SMS))
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:45:57 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Alice springs,AUS article
Message-ID: <42639FC4-59E0-49ED-ACD0-49B2045F2271@hvc.rr.com>


Just in case the hunters want to check it out:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/18/2394700.htm


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From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Fri Oct 17 19:13:01 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:13:01 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about attached files to the list.
Message-ID: <c05.4bd85dd8.362a75fd@aol.com>

Hi list,  I know not to send embedded  images in an email to the list and to 
always send the email "plain text".   My question is;  is it OK to send an 
email as plain text and have an  attachment?  That way only those who want to 
view the attachment would down  load it.

Thanks,  Tom Phillips  

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From paul at meteorite.com  Fri Oct 17 19:26:28 2008
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:26:28 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about attached files to the list.
In-Reply-To: <c05.4bd85dd8.362a75fd@aol.com>
References: <c05.4bd85dd8.362a75fd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48F91F24.7090600@meteorite.com>

Hi Tom,

No file attachments are allowed as the increase in bandwidth for Art 
would be huge.  File attachments are sent along with the text in the 
email. I'll email you privately and see if we can work something out 
that will make it easier for everyone without file attachements.

Paul

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> Hi list,  I know not to send embedded  images in an email to the list and to 
> always send the email "plain text".   My question is;  is it OK to send an 
> email as plain text and have an  attachment?  That way only those who want to 
> view the attachment would down  load it.
>
> Thanks,  Tom Phillips  
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 17 22:34:32 2008
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:34:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite sales falling with the stock market?
In-Reply-To: <005b01c9306a$805db020$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <343764.45017.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Martin and list Members,

Thank you for the interesting insight. Martin commented that collectors were concerned by what impact NWA 5000 may have on Lunaite prices and that they might be somewhat hesitant about lunar purchases because of the weight.

We anticipated this ahead of time and have been working with different audiences other than the standard collector market. Most of what has been sold has gone directly into institutions who agree this is the most fantastic lunar meteorite ever found.  The 9,610 gram main mass will find a new home in a world class facility this December where it will be formerly announced to the world.  We have not chased any press whatsoever on NWA 5000 and will leave this task to the future owners. I will provide details where it can be seen as soon as the paperwork has been finalized.

The only complete slice which weighs 575 grams has been on tour in Houston Texas, Washington State, New York and is now on its way back to Houston.  It has earned the moniker the "Ambassador Slice" since it will be booked to several locations world-wide.  It has never failed to draw crowds every time it has been displayed. 

Add in 572 grams of cutting loss, the 40 plus gram type specimen and the pieces which have already been placed and there should be enough to satisfy the collector market without depressing the price of other lunars.  This means that dealers shouldn't panic too much about NWA 5000 flooding the market.  I would be more worried about how gorgeous this material is rather than its weight.  A watch company and prestigious jewelry maker whom recognize the incredible contrast are already deciding how to best utilize this material.  If it meets their standards, they may take the rest.

I am not stating this to create a sales rush but to provide perspective buyers with real information so that they can make an informed decision whether it be NWA 5000 or some other lunar meteorite.

Best Regards,

Adam

   



From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 18 08:51:04 2008
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 05:51:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
Message-ID: <66981.66271.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


http://www.streem.com.au/technology/6968-meteorite-crashes-near-alice-springs


Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
Published by Streem -- Oct 18, 2008 9:51am 

Scientists and researchers will assess whether a meteorite was responsible for a large bang in Alice Springs last night.

Residents near to Wallare Rock Hole Community reported a large turd followed by the shaking of ground at about 7pm local time.

Police say all aircraft in the area have been accounted for and they will now contact the US Seismic Activity Centre to determine if a meteorite strike was possible.

"Some other follow-ups were done with the tower here at the Alice Springs airport and some further enquires are going to made here today with the seismic monitoring station here in Alice Springs," a police spokesman said.

So far, no evidence of a meteorite has been located.



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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sat Oct 18 09:14:34 2008
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:14:34 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
Message-ID: <20081018131434.ZPRA22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>

Interesting report....glad I wasn't around!  Or is that just a spelling mistake!!!! Would have created quite a stink I assume.

Graham Ensor UK
> 
> From: Mike Groetz <mpg444 at yahoo.com>
> Date: 2008/10/18 Sat PM 12:51:04 GMT
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
> 
> 
> http://www.streem.com.au/technology/6968-meteorite-crashes-near-alice-springs
> 
> 
> Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
> Published by Streem -- Oct 18, 2008 9:51am 
> 
> Scientists and researchers will assess whether a meteorite was responsible for a large bang in Alice Springs last night.
> 
> Residents near to Wallare Rock Hole Community reported a large turd followed by the shaking of ground at about 7pm local time.
> 
> Police say all aircraft in the area have been accounted for and they will now contact the US Seismic Activity Centre to determine if a meteorite strike was possible.
> 
> "Some other follow-ups were done with the tower here at the Alice Springs airport and some further enquires are going to made here today with the seismic monitoring station here in Alice Springs," a police spokesman said.
> 
> So far, no evidence of a meteorite has been located.
> 
> 
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Sat Oct 18 09:24:25 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:24:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
In-Reply-To: <66981.66271.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <66981.66271.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56435.71.226.60.25.1224336265.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hello Mike:

Sorry, it is 6:00 am and I have not had my coffee yet. I read the original
article and I assume that they meant thud, not thurd (could not find that
word). However, I am assuming they did not mean, as you wrote, turd. This
seems to relate more to ice meteorites and flying cows (if this is lost to
our non-English speaking members, please contact me for a clarification).

On Sat, October 18, 2008 5:51 am, Mike Groetz wrote:
>

> http://www.streem.com.au/technology/6968-meteorite-crashes-near-alice-spr
> ings
>
>
> Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
> Published by Streem -- Oct 18, 2008 9:51am
>
>
> Scientists and researchers will assess whether a meteorite was
> responsible for a large bang in Alice Springs last night.
>
> Residents near to Wallare Rock Hole Community reported a large turd
> followed by the shaking of ground at about 7pm local time.
>
> Police say all aircraft in the area have been accounted for and they will
> now contact the US Seismic Activity Centre to determine if a meteorite
> strike was possible.
>
> "Some other follow-ups were done with the tower here at the Alice Springs
> airport and some further enquires are going to made here today with the
> seismic monitoring station here in Alice Springs," a police spokesman
> said.
>
> So far, no evidence of a meteorite has been located.
>
>
>
>
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sat Oct 18 09:54:48 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 18 Oct 2008 13:54:48 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Book Review in latest issue of Sky & Telescope
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000AF000034C7@paulinet.de>

Hello Folks,

Just a heads-up! In the "Books & Beyond" section of the November 2008 issue
of Sky & Telescope (p. 78), you'll find a very favorable review by J. K. Beatty
of O.R. Norton's Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites.

Best wishes,

Bernd


From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 18 17:23:18 2008
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:23:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
In-Reply-To: <56435.71.226.60.25.1224336265.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <615306.58227.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Everyone-
   I apologize for what my message said. I did a copy/paste from the original article and that is what came out of it.
   How it happened I do not know. I should have fully proof read all of it before sending it off.
   There was no intent to be offensive to anyone.
Mike


--- On Sat, 10/18/08, lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu> wrote:

> From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
> To: mpg444 at yahoo.com
> Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 9:24 AM
> Hello Mike:
> 
> Sorry, it is 6:00 am and I have not had my coffee yet. I
> read the original
> article and I assume that they meant thud, not thurd (could
> not find that
> word). However, I am assuming they did not mean, as you
> wrote, turd. This
> seems to relate more to ice meteorites and flying cows (if
> this is lost to
> our non-English speaking members, please contact me for a
> clarification).


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From yellowengine at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 18 18:22:52 2008
From: yellowengine at earthlink.net (RJP)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:22:52 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Large Millbillillie
Message-ID: <30904528.1224368572754.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Good Afternoon List,

I am looking to make a quick sale on 212g Millbillillie individual stone, complete with regmaglypts, flowlines, patches of glossy fusion crust, ect (Grade A+). I will take the first $3180, free insured postage included. Paypal accepted if you prefer to go that route. Please contact me off-list for photos.

Kind Regards,

Ryan Pawelski

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 18 19:07:22 2008
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:07:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Free draft copies of Volume 1 and Volume of my
	History of Cosmonautics available
Message-ID: <547423.16833.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi and Hello, everyone - 

Free copies of the text drafts of Volume 1 and Volume 2 of my History of Cosmonautics are available to meteorite list members is any of you care to write me a note asking for them.

They were written around 1994 on word processors that did not support embeded footnotes, and the footnotes remain in a paper grocery bag and several briefcases. The volumes reflect what I could gather at the time, and much has been released since them. They are what they are, and are likely never to see publication, but still, they are pretty good, and the copies are free. A couple of good evenings of free reading, if you like.

PS - I hope Adam Hupe saved his cutting dust from that lunar, and that it will be available to delight children everywhere.

E.P. Grondine
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Sat Oct 18 19:30:37 2008
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:30:37 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
References: <615306.58227.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <31A13AD8DA3345B7AD543E05B8C4C767@ASUS>

Excuse me, but on what continent is Alice Springs located????????
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444 at yahoo.com>
To: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs


> Everyone-
>   I apologize for what my message said. I did a copy/paste from the 
> original article and that is what came out of it.
>   How it happened I do not know. I should have fully proof read all of it 
> before sending it off.
>   There was no intent to be offensive to anyone.
> Mike
>
>
> --- On Sat, 10/18/08, lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu> 
> wrote:
>
>> From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
>> To: mpg444 at yahoo.com
>> Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 9:24 AM
>> Hello Mike:
>>
>> Sorry, it is 6:00 am and I have not had my coffee yet. I
>> read the original
>> article and I assume that they meant thud, not thurd (could
>> not find that
>> word). However, I am assuming they did not mean, as you
>> wrote, turd. This
>> seems to relate more to ice meteorites and flying cows (if
>> this is lost to
>> our non-English speaking members, please contact me for a
>> clarification).
>
>
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From info at meteorites.com.au  Sat Oct 18 19:44:16 2008
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:44:16 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
In-Reply-To: <31A13AD8DA3345B7AD543E05B8C4C767@ASUS>
References: <615306.58227.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<31A13AD8DA3345B7AD543E05B8C4C767@ASUS>
Message-ID: <8CA6797DEEC6465F82EC837EC5B99D95@JeffPC>

Basically smack bang in the middle of Australia! Ohh... and another state 
(Territory actually) that takes ownership of any meteorites found! And 
Mike... that was pretty funny... in fact I can already see folks coming up 
with ideas for 2009 Tucson T-Shirts! ;-)

Cheers,

Jeff

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Flaherty" <grf2 at verizon.net>
To: <mpg444 at yahoo.com>; <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs


> Excuse me, but on what continent is Alice Springs located????????
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444 at yahoo.com>
> To: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
> Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
>
>
>> Everyone-
>>   I apologize for what my message said. I did a copy/paste from the 
>> original article and that is what came out of it.
>>   How it happened I do not know. I should have fully proof read all of it 
>> before sending it off.
>>   There was no intent to be offensive to anyone.
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 10/18/08, lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashes near Alice Springs
>>> To: mpg444 at yahoo.com
>>> Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 9:24 AM
>>> Hello Mike:
>>>
>>> Sorry, it is 6:00 am and I have not had my coffee yet. I
>>> read the original
>>> article and I assume that they meant thud, not thurd (could
>>> not find that
>>> word). However, I am assuming they did not mean, as you
>>> wrote, turd. This
>>> seems to relate more to ice meteorites and flying cows (if
>>> this is lost to
>>> our non-English speaking members, please contact me for a
>>> clarification).
>>
>>
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From mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com  Sat Oct 18 20:55:05 2008
From: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com (mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:55:05 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for pallasitic glorieta mtn slice
Message-ID: <39245204-1224377825-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1853585645-@bxe139.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I have a customer looking for a 100 to 150g complete slice of Glorieta. Must have even distribution of metal and olivine. Crystals should show light. Please email me if you have a piece that meets this description.
Thanks
Matt
www.mhmeteorites.com
----------------------
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

From Impactika at aol.com  Sat Oct 18 23:30:42 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:30:42 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Small Meteorites and Big Libyan Glass
Message-ID: <c42.39420fe0.362c03e2@aol.com>

Hello everybody,

I said there will be more, and yes, there is!

I just posted a nice bunch of small rare pieces. Ever heard of Bartlett?  or 
Kenton? They are there and a few more too. Yes, they are small, but then so 
are the prices. Just look:  http://www.impactika.com/Metlist.htm

But if you would rather look at something Big, like a 2 kilos Libyan Glass, 
with all the right characteristics, like dark streaks, crystobalites, and 
translucent, just go there:   http://www.impactika.com/impactglass/AB665.html

As usual, any questions, just ask.
Thank you.


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From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Sun Oct 19 04:54:16 2008
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:54:16 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <871799a20810190154q4c34f136n2fc60555b5731e62@mail.gmail.com>

test

From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Sun Oct 19 06:02:20 2008
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:02:20 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending soon
Message-ID: <871799a20810190302k1c903718u2f4746c39468e136@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have 20 ebay auctions ending in a few hours:


 http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9


Thank you,
Peter

From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 19 09:15:56 2008
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 06:15:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] More Alice Springs news
Message-ID: <103937.88231.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

These sound related..(and yes, I did proof read them!)
Mike



http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2008/10/19/10535_ntnews.html

Meteor rocks NT in blaze of light 

EMILY WATKINS

October 19th, 2008 

TERRITORIANS were treated to an unexpected spectacle on Friday night. 

What is believed to be a meteorite crashed near Wallace Rockhole near Hermannsburg, and was seen from as far away as Darwin.

Alice Springs Police received a report about 7pm of something that looked like a flare, but could not find anything. One Darwin stargazer described it as like nothing he had seen before.

"I was walking to my car looking south and saw what I thought was a falling star," he said.

"But it was far too bright - I've never seen anything so bright."

He said the bright yellow light with a smoky trail appeared suddenly in the sky.

"At first I thought, 'Oh my god, UFO'," he said. "I was quite fascinated by it."

He said he watched it for about 10 seconds from when it appeared until it disappeared into the horizon.

"I thought it was going to hit something," he said.

Alice Springs Senior Sergeant Malcolm Passmore said the event had been reported to relevant authorities, but it had not registered on any scanners. 

He said meteorite landings were not uncommon, and without knowing where it had landed it could not be assessed properly.

The Territory's most famous meteorite crater is Gosse Bluff, the 6km-wide central core of a comet whose impact crater is 25km wide. It is 160km from Alice Springs.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/18/2394700.htm?site=science&topic=latest

Meteorite crash suspected near Alice
Posted October 18, 2008 02:00:00 
Updated October 18, 2008 12:16:00 

Police believe a meteorite crashed near Alice Springs on Friday night. 

Residents at the remote Wallare Rock Hole Community report hearing a loud bang and feeling the ground shake at around 7:00pm local time.

Alice Springs Police have ruled out an aviation accident, saying authorities have accounted for all aircraft. 

Watch Commander Senior Sergeant Malcolm Passmore says officers went to the community to investigate but did not find anything.

He says police will now talk to the US Seismic Activity Centre to see if it can provide any clues as to the meteorite's location. 

"Some other follow-ups were done with the tower here at the Alice Springs airport and some further enquires are going to made here today with the seismic monitoring station here in Alice Springs," he said.

Mick Tickner from the Apatula Community Store describes seeing a spectacular light.

"[It] started off just a light trail as it passed across the sky and flared into a super brilliant gold and white light, and then looked like it was heading towards the Alice Springs area," he said.




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From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 11:42:58 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:42:58 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Huge E bay sale
Message-ID: <468bf6050810190842k54e30d8fs8ab69937b5ebb9f9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone I have over $7000 in meteorites on E bay right now they
are ending at several different times. There is a killer end cut of
the first Glorieta I ever found. A big slice of Canyon Diablo, full
slice off the  Glorieta siderite and lots of other top quality
material. Take a look at all of them here.
http://www.meteoritefinder.com/meteorite-auctions.htm
If you see something you like and it does not sell on E bay make me an
offer, I not giving these away but I am reasonable. Thanks

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
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From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Oct 19 13:25:42 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:25:42 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Orleans meteorite caused Katrina!
In-Reply-To: <39245204-1224377825-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1853585645-@bxe139.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <39245204-1224377825-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1853585645-@bxe139.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <77rmf49v0i99ovqruulnruq0oft23bp7cb@4ax.com>

I really hope this guy was kidding-- it would sadden me to think a superstitous
nitwit flake owned a nice meteorite like that.


http://blog.nola.com/chrisrose/2008/10/the_rock_that_ruined_new_orlea.html

The rock that ruined New Orleans

It's taken three years since The Thing, but we've finally found an explanation
why so much has gone wrong around here the past few years. And it's probably not
what you suspect.

Just over five years ago, a meteorite crashed through the ceiling of a home in
Broadmoor, and since then everything has gone down the toilet.

Yep, that's it. That's the cause of Katrina, the flood, FEMA, Ray Nagin and
everything else that's happened since then, down to and presumably including
Martin Gramatica's missed field goals.

All this, of course, depends on whether you believe the theory of one Robert
McDade, New Orleans scientist, mineral collector and certified eccentric.

McDade, a retired petroleum engineer, is the proprietor of the Southern Fossil
and Mineral Exchange on Magazine Street. "My little rock shop," he calls it. And
he is convinced that the Broadmoor meteorite is the source of our communal
sorrow.

Some background: Five years ago -- Sept. 23, 2003, to be exact -- a 40-pound
meteorite crashed through the roof of the house owned by Roy and Kay Fausset, on
Joseph Street, between Claiborne and Fontainebleau. It was a rare occurrence,
enough to merit not only a story in The Times-Picayune, but People magazine as
well.

The meteorite was not particularly notable for its size, structure or
composition. In fact, as meteorites go, it was pretty low-grade.

"It was not magnetic," McDade says. "This one basically looks like a piece of
concrete. It looks like a piece of street corner curb that got busted up and is
lying in the street."

To the naked eye it would be hard to tell that this was a messenger from the
heavens.

"In general, it can be very hard to tell" what is a meteorite and what is not,
McDade says. "But there are tell-tale signs."

One sign would be the combination of the minerals olivine, pyroxene, plagioclase
and troilite -- all of which were contained in the Broadmoor meteorite.

And there's another clue.

"When one falls through your roof, that's a pretty good indicator," McDade
notes.

Such a phenomenon is called a "witnessed fall," which makes the heavenly debris
not only an extremely rare object, but also a particularly valuable one, at
least in the eyes of meteorite collectors, a group McDade calls "a fanatical
bunch."

It took McDade six months to negotiate a deal with the Faussets to acquire the
meteorite; to specialized collectors, these things are like baseballs hit by
Babe Ruth or locks of hair from Marilyn Monroe.

"I don't know that I want to tell you exactly what I paid," McDade says. "But
let's just say that witnessed falls can fetch a good price."

The Faussets have been generally media shy about the whole episode and did not
want to comment for this story. But Roy Fausset did say, in a 2003 interview:
"I'm in shock. I will certainly go to church this Sunday, because the Lord was
certainly sending me a message."

And that brings us to the point, the connection to Katrina, to the deluge, to
the horror of it all, and why that dang meteorite screwed the pooch for all of
us.

"Historically, meteorites, especially observed meteorites -- witnessed falls --
have been considered bad omens or good omens," McDade says. "People take this
stuff seriously. Through the ages, there has been much significance when a
meteorite falls. It makes a very dramatic entrance. It breaks the sound barrier.
It leaves a vapor trail.

"People have always asked: What's this all about? What was the message? What was
it trying to tell me? In the Middle Ages, that was always the question. For
instance, in times of war, it meant you have been given the blessing for
battle."

As for the question of whether a particular meteorite spells great fortune or
doom, McDade says, "Often, it takes a couple of years to find out."

That's the gig with New Orleans. Just 10 days before the fifth anniversary of
the meteorite strike, Louisiana was severely impacted by its fifth named storm
in five years.

"Very rare," McDade says, ticking off the names Cindy, Katrina, Rita, Gustav and
Ike.

Coincidence? That's for you to decide. McDade has little doubt.

"Five years after the fall, five hurricanes have happened. That's a bad sign, I
would say. Five years later, if you consider the circumstances, you would have
to say this was a bad omen. It heralded not great things coming our way --
hurricanes, politics, the disappearance of the wetlands."

Not convinced? Well, consider that the house it hit took 8 feet of water and was
destroyed by Katrina. By any measure, that's bad karma.

"The message was: New Orleans, get your act together," McDade says.

But, with the sequence of "5"s played out, McDade suggests the stretch of the
meteorite's message of dread may be over. He suggests we're in the clear. And he
also says, in the Big Picture, maybe we got lucky.

"It could have been worse," he says. "I'll tell you what would be bad luck: If
New Orleans got hit by an asteroid. That would be bad luck indeed. If that
happened, we would be wiped out. We should be thankful it was just a meteorite."

So, who says there's no good news? Just be careful with this information. And
remember: Next time you pray to the heavens for a sign, keep in mind that you
might get more than you're asking for. 

From batkol at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 19 13:49:35 2008
From: batkol at sbcglobal.net (batkol)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:49:35 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Orleans meteorite caused Katrina!
In-Reply-To: <77rmf49v0i99ovqruulnruq0oft23bp7cb@4ax.com>
References: <39245204-1224377825-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1853585645-@bxe139.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<77rmf49v0i99ovqruulnruq0oft23bp7cb@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <DECC7428F446424A8090170BAE2C392D@batkolPC>

Proud to be a member of the "fanatical bunch".  take care
susan patton




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 12:25 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Orleans meteorite caused Katrina!


>I really hope this guy was kidding-- it would sadden me to think a 
>superstitous
> nitwit flake owned a nice meteorite like that.
>
>
> http://blog.nola.com/chrisrose/2008/10/the_rock_that_ruined_new_orlea.html
>
> The rock that ruined New Orleans
>
> It's taken three years since The Thing, but we've finally found an 
> explanation
> why so much has gone wrong around here the past few years. And it's 
> probably not
> what you suspect.
>
> Just over five years ago, a meteorite crashed through the ceiling of a 
> home in
> Broadmoor, and since then everything has gone down the toilet.
>
> Yep, that's it. That's the cause of Katrina, the flood, FEMA, Ray Nagin 
> and
> everything else that's happened since then, down to and presumably 
> including
> Martin Gramatica's missed field goals.
>
> All this, of course, depends on whether you believe the theory of one 
> Robert
> McDade, New Orleans scientist, mineral collector and certified eccentric.
>
> McDade, a retired petroleum engineer, is the proprietor of the Southern 
> Fossil
> and Mineral Exchange on Magazine Street. "My little rock shop," he calls 
> it. And
> he is convinced that the Broadmoor meteorite is the source of our communal
> sorrow.
>
> Some background: Five years ago -- Sept. 23, 2003, to be exact -- a 
> 40-pound
> meteorite crashed through the roof of the house owned by Roy and Kay 
> Fausset, on
> Joseph Street, between Claiborne and Fontainebleau. It was a rare 
> occurrence,
> enough to merit not only a story in The Times-Picayune, but People 
> magazine as
> well.
>
> The meteorite was not particularly notable for its size, structure or
> composition. In fact, as meteorites go, it was pretty low-grade.
>
> "It was not magnetic," McDade says. "This one basically looks like a piece 
> of
> concrete. It looks like a piece of street corner curb that got busted up 
> and is
> lying in the street."
>
> To the naked eye it would be hard to tell that this was a messenger from 
> the
> heavens.
>
> "In general, it can be very hard to tell" what is a meteorite and what is 
> not,
> McDade says. "But there are tell-tale signs."
>
> One sign would be the combination of the minerals olivine, pyroxene, 
> plagioclase
> and troilite -- all of which were contained in the Broadmoor meteorite.
>
> And there's another clue.
>
> "When one falls through your roof, that's a pretty good indicator," McDade
> notes.
>
> Such a phenomenon is called a "witnessed fall," which makes the heavenly 
> debris
> not only an extremely rare object, but also a particularly valuable one, 
> at
> least in the eyes of meteorite collectors, a group McDade calls "a 
> fanatical
> bunch."
>
> It took McDade six months to negotiate a deal with the Faussets to acquire 
> the
> meteorite; to specialized collectors, these things are like baseballs hit 
> by
> Babe Ruth or locks of hair from Marilyn Monroe.
>
> "I don't know that I want to tell you exactly what I paid," McDade says. 
> "But
> let's just say that witnessed falls can fetch a good price."
>
> The Faussets have been generally media shy about the whole episode and did 
> not
> want to comment for this story. But Roy Fausset did say, in a 2003 
> interview:
> "I'm in shock. I will certainly go to church this Sunday, because the Lord 
> was
> certainly sending me a message."
>
> And that brings us to the point, the connection to Katrina, to the deluge, 
> to
> the horror of it all, and why that dang meteorite screwed the pooch for 
> all of
> us.
>
> "Historically, meteorites, especially observed meteorites -- witnessed 
> falls --
> have been considered bad omens or good omens," McDade says. "People take 
> this
> stuff seriously. Through the ages, there has been much significance when a
> meteorite falls. It makes a very dramatic entrance. It breaks the sound 
> barrier.
> It leaves a vapor trail.
>
> "People have always asked: What's this all about? What was the message? 
> What was
> it trying to tell me? In the Middle Ages, that was always the question. 
> For
> instance, in times of war, it meant you have been given the blessing for
> battle."
>
> As for the question of whether a particular meteorite spells great fortune 
> or
> doom, McDade says, "Often, it takes a couple of years to find out."
>
> That's the gig with New Orleans. Just 10 days before the fifth anniversary 
> of
> the meteorite strike, Louisiana was severely impacted by its fifth named 
> storm
> in five years.
>
> "Very rare," McDade says, ticking off the names Cindy, Katrina, Rita, 
> Gustav and
> Ike.
>
> Coincidence? That's for you to decide. McDade has little doubt.
>
> "Five years after the fall, five hurricanes have happened. That's a bad 
> sign, I
> would say. Five years later, if you consider the circumstances, you would 
> have
> to say this was a bad omen. It heralded not great things coming our way --
> hurricanes, politics, the disappearance of the wetlands."
>
> Not convinced? Well, consider that the house it hit took 8 feet of water 
> and was
> destroyed by Katrina. By any measure, that's bad karma.
>
> "The message was: New Orleans, get your act together," McDade says.
>
> But, with the sequence of "5"s played out, McDade suggests the stretch of 
> the
> meteorite's message of dread may be over. He suggests we're in the clear. 
> And he
> also says, in the Big Picture, maybe we got lucky.
>
> "It could have been worse," he says. "I'll tell you what would be bad 
> luck: If
> New Orleans got hit by an asteroid. That would be bad luck indeed. If that
> happened, we would be wiped out. We should be thankful it was just a 
> meteorite."
>
> So, who says there's no good news? Just be careful with this information. 
> And
> remember: Next time you pray to the heavens for a sign, keep in mind that 
> you
> might get more than you're asking for.
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 


From mmurray at montrose.net  Sun Oct 19 14:21:16 2008
From: mmurray at montrose.net (Michael Murray)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:21:16 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Orleans meteorite caused Katrina!
In-Reply-To: <77rmf49v0i99ovqruulnruq0oft23bp7cb@4ax.com>
References: <39245204-1224377825-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1853585645-@bxe139.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<77rmf49v0i99ovqruulnruq0oft23bp7cb@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <5563B6A1-82F1-45A7-9522-AEB61BEF76DA@montrose.net>

"as meteorites go, it was pretty low-grade"

Uh, any stones falling out of the sky that are too "low-grade" for  
anyone, don't fret, just leave them lay where they landed.  I'll come  
get them.  : )

MIke


On Oct 19, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Darren Garrison wrote:

> I really hope this guy was kidding-- it would sadden me to think a  
> superstitous
> nitwit flake owned a nice meteorite like that.
>
>
> http://blog.nola.com/chrisrose/2008/10/ 
> the_rock_that_ruined_new_orlea.html
>
> The rock that ruined New Orleans
>
> It's taken three years since The Thing, but we've finally found an  
> explanation
> why so much has gone wrong around here the past few years. And it's  
> probably not
> what you suspect.
>
> Just over five years ago, a meteorite crashed through the ceiling  
> of a home in
> Broadmoor, and since then everything has gone down the toilet.
>
> Yep, that's it. That's the cause of Katrina, the flood, FEMA, Ray  
> Nagin and
> everything else that's happened since then, down to and presumably  
> including
> Martin Gramatica's missed field goals.
>
> All this, of course, depends on whether you believe the theory of  
> one Robert
> McDade, New Orleans scientist, mineral collector and certified  
> eccentric.
>
> McDade, a retired petroleum engineer, is the proprietor of the  
> Southern Fossil
> and Mineral Exchange on Magazine Street. "My little rock shop," he  
> calls it. And
> he is convinced that the Broadmoor meteorite is the source of our  
> communal
> sorrow.
>
> Some background: Five years ago -- Sept. 23, 2003, to be exact -- a  
> 40-pound
> meteorite crashed through the roof of the house owned by Roy and  
> Kay Fausset, on
> Joseph Street, between Claiborne and Fontainebleau. It was a rare  
> occurrence,
> enough to merit not only a story in The Times-Picayune, but People  
> magazine as
> well.
>
> The meteorite was not particularly notable for its size, structure or
> composition. In fact, as meteorites go, it was pretty low-grade.
>
> "It was not magnetic," McDade says. "This one basically looks like  
> a piece of
> concrete. It looks like a piece of street corner curb that got  
> busted up and is
> lying in the street."
>
> To the naked eye it would be hard to tell that this was a messenger  
> from the
> heavens.
>
> "In general, it can be very hard to tell" what is a meteorite and  
> what is not,
> McDade says. "But there are tell-tale signs."
>
> One sign would be the combination of the minerals olivine,  
> pyroxene, plagioclase
> and troilite -- all of which were contained in the Broadmoor  
> meteorite.
>
> And there's another clue.
>
> "When one falls through your roof, that's a pretty good indicator,"  
> McDade
> notes.
>
> Such a phenomenon is called a "witnessed fall," which makes the  
> heavenly debris
> not only an extremely rare object, but also a particularly valuable  
> one, at
> least in the eyes of meteorite collectors, a group McDade calls "a  
> fanatical
> bunch."
>
> It took McDade six months to negotiate a deal with the Faussets to  
> acquire the
> meteorite; to specialized collectors, these things are like  
> baseballs hit by
> Babe Ruth or locks of hair from Marilyn Monroe.
>
> "I don't know that I want to tell you exactly what I paid," McDade  
> says. "But
> let's just say that witnessed falls can fetch a good price."
>
> The Faussets have been generally media shy about the whole episode  
> and did not
> want to comment for this story. But Roy Fausset did say, in a 2003  
> interview:
> "I'm in shock. I will certainly go to church this Sunday, because  
> the Lord was
> certainly sending me a message."
>
> And that brings us to the point, the connection to Katrina, to the  
> deluge, to
> the horror of it all, and why that dang meteorite screwed the pooch  
> for all of
> us.
>
> "Historically, meteorites, especially observed meteorites --  
> witnessed falls --
> have been considered bad omens or good omens," McDade says. "People  
> take this
> stuff seriously. Through the ages, there has been much significance  
> when a
> meteorite falls. It makes a very dramatic entrance. It breaks the  
> sound barrier.
> It leaves a vapor trail.
>
> "People have always asked: What's this all about? What was the  
> message? What was
> it trying to tell me? In the Middle Ages, that was always the  
> question. For
> instance, in times of war, it meant you have been given the  
> blessing for
> battle."
>
> As for the question of whether a particular meteorite spells great  
> fortune or
> doom, McDade says, "Often, it takes a couple of years to find out."
>
> That's the gig with New Orleans. Just 10 days before the fifth  
> anniversary of
> the meteorite strike, Louisiana was severely impacted by its fifth  
> named storm
> in five years.
>
> "Very rare," McDade says, ticking off the names Cindy, Katrina,  
> Rita, Gustav and
> Ike.
>
> Coincidence? That's for you to decide. McDade has little doubt.
>
> "Five years after the fall, five hurricanes have happened. That's a  
> bad sign, I
> would say. Five years later, if you consider the circumstances, you  
> would have
> to say this was a bad omen. It heralded not great things coming our  
> way --
> hurricanes, politics, the disappearance of the wetlands."
>
> Not convinced? Well, consider that the house it hit took 8 feet of  
> water and was
> destroyed by Katrina. By any measure, that's bad karma.
>
> "The message was: New Orleans, get your act together," McDade says.
>
> But, with the sequence of "5"s played out, McDade suggests the  
> stretch of the
> meteorite's message of dread may be over. He suggests we're in the  
> clear. And he
> also says, in the Big Picture, maybe we got lucky.
>
> "It could have been worse," he says. "I'll tell you what would be  
> bad luck: If
> New Orleans got hit by an asteroid. That would be bad luck indeed.  
> If that
> happened, we would be wiped out. We should be thankful it was just  
> a meteorite."
>
> So, who says there's no good news? Just be careful with this  
> information. And
> remember: Next time you pray to the heavens for a sign, keep in  
> mind that you
> might get more than you're asking for.
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


From scyphocrinites at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 19 19:24:14 2008
From: scyphocrinites at yahoo.com (Malek Youssef)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:24:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad : Fulgurites
Message-ID: <424787.56277.qm@web53305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi List
For those interested in Lightening fused sand Fulgurites , i have a Cheap flat for sale , contact me offlist.
Regards
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From jeffkrosschell at comcast.net  Sun Oct 19 19:24:34 2008
From: jeffkrosschell at comcast.net (Jeff Krosschell)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:24:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions Ending Shortly!
Message-ID: <17F19791D5A34C7DA85F9F5BBFE5632E@JeffVistaPC>


Hello List,
I have 48 auctions ending in the next hour on eBay.   
Many of them are still at 99 cents.
 
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/kalani_oftheheavens 

Thanks,
Jeff Krosschell 
Kalani of the Heavens
IMCA # 0146


From dmerchan at rochester.rr.com  Sun Oct 19 22:11:44 2008
From: dmerchan at rochester.rr.com (Don Merchant)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:11:44 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: EBay Auctions Just listed
Message-ID: <000301c93259$330c92f0$6501a8c0@donaldmerchant>

Hi List. I have some very unique and rare items I have just listed that may 
interest a bunch of you that you may want to keep a watch of!
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/emflocater_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ

Thanks for Looking.
Sincerely
Don Merchant
IMCA #0960 


From moutinho at bol.com.br  Tue Oct 21 00:10:42 2008
From: moutinho at bol.com.br (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Moutinho?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:10:42 -0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Brazilian Uruacu/Santa Vitoria dos Palmares for
	trades
In-Reply-To: <103937.88231.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <103937.88231.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c93332$fc92a4a0$f5b7ede0$@com.br>

Hello, 

My name is Andre Moutinho and I am an amateur astronomer and
astrophotographer in Brazil.
I have a webpage showing some of my work on astrophotography at
http://moutinho.astrodatabase.net

Recently I have started studying and collecting meteorites. My first book
was "Rocks from Space" and
I am just finishing reading the "Art of Collecting Meteorites". Also a very
Nice book.

I have purchased some Uruacu meteorites whole specimens here in Brazil. I
will keep one in my 
collection and will try trading the remaining with other interested
collectors. The specimens
weigh around 300-400g. The Santa Vitoria is a 9g slice. Please, email me at
moutinho at bol.com.br

Regards,
Andr? Moutinho




From abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 20 12:32:16 2008
From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com (Abdelaziz Alhyane)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:32:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD; NWA Sale
Message-ID: <749760.71938.qm@web45411.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Dear Listees,
I have a for sale nine meteorites, Ctype, acho, Iron and Chondrites, for pictures, weights and prices, please contact me off list.

My best
Aziz

Abdelaziz Alhyane
83500 Morocco
+21261655060


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From wahlperry at aol.com  Mon Oct 20 14:45:48 2008
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:45:48 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Palo Verde Mine meteorites for sale 5.5  , 4.6, 6.1,
	3.7, 3.6 gram.
Message-ID: <8CB00FB33E85251-1B64-155E@MBLK-M21.sysops.aol.com>

Hi ,
I have 5 small complete Palo Verde mine meteorites for sale. I recently 
had a chance to purchase these form the finder. It is almost impossible 
to find complete Palo Verde mine Meteorites. The size are 5.5, 4.6, 
6.1, 3.7, 3.6 grams. All 5 with shipping in the U.S.A for $ 100.00

Thanks,
Sonny

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/id35.htm

From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 20 15:14:22 2008
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:14:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Orleans meteorite caused Katrina!
In-Reply-To: <DECC7428F446424A8090170BAE2C392D@batkolPC>
Message-ID: <376014.18657.qm@web55207.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


Do you mean to tell me that there is yet ONE person out there that doesn't believe it was caused by global warming(sic) or the Bush Administration?

Elton


From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Mon Oct 20 18:56:43 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:56:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite magazine, call for papers
In-Reply-To: <376014.18657.qm@web55207.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <DECC7428F446424A8090170BAE2C392D@batkolPC>
	<376014.18657.qm@web55207.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <61447.71.226.60.25.1224543403.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hello Everyone:

We hope that you are enjoying the August issue of Meteorite. We have just
finished with the proofs of the November issue. We have listed below the
articles that will be in that issue.

Now, guess what?

Yes, it is that time again! It is time to start thinking about writing an
article for the February issue of Meteorite. The next deadline is November
30 (though earlier is always better). It is the start of our fourth year
as editors! Hard to believe.

There are still a number of you who "put off" submitting articles, so I
will be getting back to you very soon. Articles can be anywhere from
about 1,000 words up to 2,500 words (or a little longer) with 4 or 5
pictures. A good picture might even make it to the cover! We also welcome
book reviews and letters to the editors.

Please consider writing an article. If you are not sure, contact us! We
hope to hear from you soon.

Articles in the November issue of Meteorite:

Centerpiece: Barred Olivine Chondrules: The Pearls of Meteorites

A Featured Review of ?Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites,? by Norton and
      Chitwood

Svend Buhl, et al.: Account of a Meteorite Fall Near Bassikounou,         
 Mauritania, Pt. II

Sonny Clary: A New Meteorite Discovery in Chicago Valley, California

Greg Redfern: America is Heading Back to the Moon

Zelimir Gabelica, et al.: Ensisheim-Meteorite 2008: From Russia, With Love

Arthur Ehlmann: Monnig Meteorite Gallery Five-Year Anniversary

Larry Lebofsky: The Great Planet Debate

Andrzej Pilski: Meteorites in the Copernicus Tower

Dave Gheesling: Meteorite Association of Georgia

Carl Hergenrother: A review of ?Meteor Showers and the Parent Bodies,? by
      Jenniskens

Roy Tucker: A review of ?Inconstant Moon: Discovery and Controversy on the
      Way to the Moon,? by Varricchio

Peter Shugar: A review of ?Comet Strikes the Earth,? by Nininger

Larry and Nancy Lebofsky
Editors, Meteorite magazine



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct 20 19:42:03 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:42:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - October 9-15, 2008
Message-ID: <200810202342.QAA23114@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#spirit

SPIRIT UPDATE:  Getting Ready to Make the Next Move - sol 1695-1701,
October 09-15, 2008:

In recent weeks, increasing solar power has enabled Spirit to complete
more science activities. Spirit has finished the 360-degree, full-color
view of its winter surroundings, known as the "Bonestell panorama," and
acquired extra frames at super resolution to enhance details in the
imagery. The rover also has documented seasonal changes in the
atmosphere by measuring argon gas with the alpha-particle X-ray
spectrometer.

The tradeoff has been that by funneling most available power into
science activities, Spirit has not had much power for sending data to
Earth. That is about to change, because Spirit's on-board memory is
nearly full. Instead of sending data only every fourth day, Spirit will
begin relaying data every day to NASA's Odyssey orbiter for transmission
to Earth.

Rover operators will use the data to plan Spirit's first, post-winter
drive to adjust the rover's position to keep the solar panels facing the
Sun. The move will put the rover in optimum position before solar
conjunction, when Earth and Mars will be on opposite sides of the Sun
and communication will not be possible. Solar conjunction will take
place on Martian days, or sols, 1745-1760 (Nov. 29-Dec. 15, 2008).

Meanwhile, Spirit is healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected
as of sol 1700 (Oct. 14, 2008). Solar-array energy has been 242
watt-hours (100 watt-hours is the amount of energy needed to light a
100-watt bulb for one hour). After weeks of remarkably clear skies,
atmospheric opacity or tau, a measure of the decrease in sunlight caused
by atmospheric dust, has risen slightly to 0.294. Atmospheric dust
levels remain low, but are beginning to trend upward and affect solar
power levels. This increase is expected, as it has occurred at this time
of year in each of the previous three Martian years.

The dust factor -- the percentage of light penetrating dust on Spirit's
solar arrays -- has remained steady. Only 32 percent of the sunlight
reaching the arrays penetrates the dust to generate electricity.

Sol-by-sol summary

In addition to making daily measurements of the amount of atmospheric
dust preventing sunlight from reaching the rover's solar arrays, Spirit
completed the following activities:

Sol 1695 (Oct. 9, 2008): Spirit checked for drift (changes with time) in
the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, surveyed the sky and ground
with the instrument, did survey work with the panoramic camera, and
surveyed a surface target dubbed "Jules Verne" with the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer.

Sol 1696: Spirit surveyed the sky and ground with the miniature thermal
emission spectrometer and made some finishing touches to the lower edge
of the full-color, 360-degree view of the rover's winter surroundings by
acquiring 3 panels of images known as "Bonestell lower tiers" 1, 2, and 3.

Sol 1697: Spirit used the miniature thermal emission spectrometer to
survey the sky, the ground, and a target known as "Stapledon." Spirit
parked the panoramic camera mast assembly with the panoramic camera
pointed below the horizon to minimize dust accumulation.

Sol 1698: Spirit took spot images of the sky for calibration purposes
with the panoramic camera and spent much of the day recharging the battery.

Sol 1699: Spirit surveyed the sky at different elevations as well as the
ground with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer and used the
panoramic camera to survey the horizon and take thumbnail images of the
sky on the rover's right (starboard).

Sol 1700: Spirit surveyed the sky and ground with the miniature thermal
emission spectrometer and took spot images of the sky with the panoramic
camera. Spirit relayed information from Mars to NASA's Odyssey orbiter
for transmission to Earth.

Sol 1701 (Oct. 15, 2008): Spirit surveyed the sky and ground with the
miniature thermal emission spectrometer and monitored dust accumulation
on the panoramic-camera mast assembly.

Odometry:

As of sol 1700 (Oct. 14, 2008), Spirit's total odometry remained at
7,528.0 meters (4.7 miles).



From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 20 22:26:52 2008
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:26:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Exceptional Bargains - Priced To Sell Quickly!
Message-ID: <686375.55855.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,

I would like bring to your attention some great items now listed on ebay. I am getting ready to move so lowered the prices substantially on all of the buy-it-now items.  Check them out and you will see these are the best prices possible, some priced below wholesale while others are half priced.

All auctions can be viewed at this link:
http://search.eBay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites

A World Class Holed Iron Priced Below My Costs:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200265919270

And Its Compliment:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140276492846

Lunar Rosetta Stone, The Lowest Price Ever Publicly Offered, Compare At Two To Three Times This Price:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200265920812

Gorgeous Dhofar 910 Complete Lunar Slice:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200265921796

Huge Crusted Chunk Of NWA 998 Martian Nakhlite At Less Than $1,000.00/Gram.  This Is Less Than Half Of What Nakhlites Go For, The Cheapest Price Ever Offered:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200265923442

Largest Piece of NWA 3160 Lunar Meteorite in Existence (Secondary Main Mass):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140276495564

Complete Slice of Spectacular Melted Eucrite, 50% Off:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200265925110

Huge 2,240 Gram Complete Slice of Renfrow in Haag Catalog At $1.00 A Gram Buy-it-Now For A Famous Piece, I Expect This Piece To Go Fast!:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200265926309

And many items started at just 99 cents with no reserve due to end in less than 24 hours can be found at this link:
http://search.eBay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites

Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.


Best Regards,

------------------------------------
Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
raremeteorites at comcast.net 

From m_graul at yahoo.de  Tue Oct 21 06:11:35 2008
From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:11:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: nice Cape York slice 82,8g on ebay
Message-ID: <495891.75183.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello List,


in 10 hours ends my nice etched 82,8g slice of Cape York (Agpalilik) on ebay.
The price in moment is very low.

Thank you for interest,

Mirko

Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) 

Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de


      

From m_graul at yahoo.de  Tue Oct 21 06:18:12 2008
From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:18:12 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: nice Cape York - sorry link forget
Message-ID: <717726.33462.qm@web26302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello List,
 
 
in 10 hours ends my nice etched 82,8g slice of Cape York
(Agpalilik) on ebay.
The price in moment is very low.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=270287686365&Category=3239null&_trksid=p3907.m29

Thank you for interest,

Mirko
 


Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association) 

Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de


--- Mirko Graul <m_graul at yahoo.de> schrieb am Di, 21.10.2008:

> Von: Mirko Graul <m_graul at yahoo.de>
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] AD: nice Cape York slice 82,8g on ebay
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Datum: Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2008, 12:11
> Hello List,
> 
> 
> in 10 hours ends my nice etched 82,8g slice of Cape York
> (Agpalilik) on ebay.
> The price in moment is very low.
> 
> Thank you for interest,
> 
> Mirko
> 
> Mirko Graul Meteorite 
> Quittenring.4 
> 16321 Bernau 
> GERMANY 
> 
> Phone: 0049-1724105015 
> E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 
> 
> IMCA-Member: 2113 
> (International Meteorite Collectors Association) 
> 
> Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de
> 
> 
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 10:01:39 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:01:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] freebies and why???
Message-ID: <964493.9245.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hello list.I have 7 more freebies.4 little glorietta's,2 oriented gao's,and 1 unclassified individual.This time I just want to giveaway to the USA because of shipping costs and last set of freebies.1st come will be served.On my last giveaway,I received a private email from a TABB5276 at AOL.COM.I do not know who it is,but I have an idea.The email was scathing about me always being out of work,my pathetic way to get friends by doing giveaways.Just down right discus ting.I do the freebies because I like to,not because I am looking for friends.I was laid off my last job in June.I cannot begin to tell you all how many miles,how much gas I have bought or most important,how many places I have gone to get back to work.It has taken it;s toll on me,but I keep going because I believe I will be back to work.I just do not understand the continued negative emails when I am doing something good and I am not hurting anyone.I  continue to get nice emails from people who
 apprecite my givaways.And calling me swear names just shows no class at all.Well you know what to do,and please lets keep this great list on meteorites and not defaming anyone.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Tue Oct 21 12:44:55 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:44:55 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Munich Show 2008 & Friday Evening at Fliegerbrau
Message-ID: <003401c9339c$5984cd00$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Good Day List,

The days get shorter, the winds colder and it smells like Munich Show!

And of course also this year the fair can't be without the traditional,
meteoritical Friday-get-together at the Fliegerbraeu after the show.

Same procedure: Friday evening, October 31, from 8p.m. on.

Address is in nearby Feldkirchen.

Fliegerbr?u
Sonnenstr. 2
85622 Feldkirchen
Tel. 0 89/9 03 60 32
http://www.fliegerbraeu.de


Here you find a map, how to get from the fair ground there.
Starting from the main entrance/exit East, where the show halls for the
mineral fair are located.

http://kuerzer.de/Fleagerbroy

It seems that the menu is different now, so maybe we're lucky and the chef
has changed too...
Anyway, the beer is good, after all those years the meteorite people know,
where it is, and most seem to like it, right?

Of course it would be nice, if you'd let me know, if you plan to take part
in, cause in past there were always to few places in the beginning.


And here are the general show information:
http://www.mineralientage.de/?lang=en

For any questions, feel free to contact me.

Chladni's Heirs you'll find in the middle hall A5, booth A5.633
and I'm glad to announce, that Stefan already will take be back again.
You have to purchase a lot from him, that was the recommendation of the
doctors.

Regarding the meeting point of the meteorite aficionados on the show,
Friday, Saturday, Sunday - I heard, that Erich won't have a table this year.
(I hope nothing serious, cause as long I'm able to think, he was selling at
the Munich Show),
so we have to find a new point.

Looking forward to see you all soon - who will be in Munich?

Martin


Stefan Ralew & Martin Altmann
Chladni's Heirs
Munich - Berlin
Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/




From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Tue Oct 21 12:52:57 2008
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:52:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Munich Show 2008 & Friday Evening at
 Fliegerbrau
In-Reply-To: <003401c9339c$5984cd00$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <003401c9339c$5984cd00$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <63178.71.226.60.25.1224607977.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Martin:

Is there some going to the Munich show who could do a short write-up for
Meteorite? Does not have to be long and the more pictures (captioned), the
better.

Thanks

Larry

On Tue, October 21, 2008 9:44 am, Martin Altmann wrote:
> Good Day List,
>
>
> The days get shorter, the winds colder and it smells like Munich Show!
>
>
> And of course also this year the fair can't be without the traditional,
> meteoritical Friday-get-together at the Fliegerbraeu after the show.
>
> Same procedure: Friday evening, October 31, from 8p.m. on.
>
>
> Address is in nearby Feldkirchen.
>
>
> Fliegerbr?u
> Sonnenstr. 2
> 85622 Feldkirchen
> Tel. 0 89/9 03 60 32
> http://www.fliegerbraeu.de
>
>
>
> Here you find a map, how to get from the fair ground there.
> Starting from the main entrance/exit East, where the show halls for the
> mineral fair are located.
>
> http://kuerzer.de/Fleagerbroy
>
>
> It seems that the menu is different now, so maybe we're lucky and the
> chef has changed too... Anyway, the beer is good, after all those years the
> meteorite people know, where it is, and most seem to like it, right?
>
> Of course it would be nice, if you'd let me know, if you plan to take
> part in, cause in past there were always to few places in the beginning.
>
>
> And here are the general show information:
> http://www.mineralientage.de/?lang=en
>
>
> For any questions, feel free to contact me.
>
>
> Chladni's Heirs you'll find in the middle hall A5, booth A5.633
> and I'm glad to announce, that Stefan already will take be back again. You
> have to purchase a lot from him, that was the recommendation of the
> doctors.
>
> Regarding the meeting point of the meteorite aficionados on the show,
> Friday, Saturday, Sunday - I heard, that Erich won't have a table this
> year. (I hope nothing serious, cause as long I'm able to think, he was
> selling at the Munich Show), so we have to find a new point.
>
> Looking forward to see you all soon - who will be in Munich?
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> Stefan Ralew & Martin Altmann
> Chladni's Heirs
> Munich - Berlin
> Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors
> http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>



From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Oct 21 15:12:14 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:12:14 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] What up, Holmes?
In-Reply-To: <003401c9339c$5984cd00$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <003401c9339c$5984cd00$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <f9asf4pj530k4fnlaf0ajnna62fngkms3q@4ax.com>

http://www.entertainmentandshowbiz.com/nasas-spitzer-tries-to-unravel-mysterious-comet-explosion-200810213767

NASA?s Spitzer tries to unravel mysterious comet explosion

Posted on October 21, 2008 | Category: Other News

NASA?s Spitzer Space Telescope has deeply observed comet Holmes to find out why
it suddenly exploded in 2007.

Observations taken of the comet by Spitzer deepen the mystery, showing oddly
behaving streamers in the shell of dust surrounding the nucleus of the comet.

The data also offer a rare look at the material liberated from within comet
Holmes? nucleus, and confirm previous findings from NASA?s Stardust and Deep
Impact missions.

?The data we got from Spitzer do not look like anything we typically see when
looking at comets,? said Bill Reach of NASA?s Spitzer Science Center at the
California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, California.

?The comet Holmes explosion gave us a rare glimpse at the inside of a comet
nucleus,? he added.

Every six years, comet 17P/Holmes speeds away from Jupiter and heads inward
toward the sun, traveling the same route typically without incident.

However, twice in the last 116 years, in November 1892 and October 2007, comet
Holmes exploded as it approached the asteroid belt, and brightened a
million-fold overnight.

In an attempt to understand these odd occurrences, astronomers pointed NASA?s
Spitzer Space Telescope at the comet in November 2007 and March 2008.

By using Spitzer?s infrared spectrograph instrument, Reach was able to gain
valuable insights into the composition of Holmes? solid interior.

In November of 2007, Reach noticed a lot of fine silicate dust, or crystallized
grains smaller than sand, like crushed gems.

?Comet dust is very sensitive, meaning that the grains are very easily
destroyed,? said Reach. ?We think the fine silicates are produced in these
violent events by the destruction of larger particles originating inside the
comet nucleus,? he added.

When Spitzer took spectra of the same portion of the comet again in March 2008,
the fine-grained silicate dust was gone and only larger particles were present.

?The March observation tells us that there is a very small window for studying
composition of comet dust after a violent event like comet Holmes? outburst,?
said Reach.

According to Jeremie Vaubaillon, a colleague of Reach?s at Caltech, pictures
snapped from the ground shortly after the outburst revealed streamers in the
shell of dust surrounding the comet.

Scientists suspect that they were produced by fragments escaping the comet?s
nucleus after the explosion. When Spitzer imaged the same streamers in March
2008, they were surprised to find them still pointing the same direction as five
months before, even though the comet had moved and sunlight was arriving from a
different location.

?We have never seen anything like this in a comet before. The extended shape
still needs to be fully understood,? said Vaubaillon. (ANI)

From wahlperry at aol.com  Tue Oct 21 16:22:15 2008
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:22:15 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Email for Meekakshi Wadhwa
Message-ID: <8CB01D1D7A27570-16E8-1217@webmail-dd06.sysops.aol.com>

Hi,

 Would anyone have an email for Meenakshi Wadhwa. Email of list .

Thanks,
Sonny



From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 16:44:52 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:44:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] freebies all gone
Message-ID: <967366.53992.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.All freebies all gone.Thanks to those who will be getting them and thanks again for the kind words.There are more great people on this list then bad.It is those people who keep this great hobbie going so strong.I just wish deep down that the people who have to be so negative would really look deep down into thier own hearts and see what is really inportant.GOOD PEOPLE!!Also a 22 gram slice esquel for $200.Now that is my deal of the week.Not $65 a gram.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 18:23:12 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:23:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space POD?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37.1224604862.65647.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <28338.27224.qm@web58407.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Am I the only one wondering what happened to Michael Johnson's Rocks from Space POD?

It's been quite a while since I have seen one posted to the list and I am going into withdrawal symptoms.
Without my daily dose of meteoritic eye candy, I have one less reason to drink my coffee in the morning. ;)

Did Mr. Johnson go on vacation?  I hope everything is alright. :)

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



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>    2. Palo Verde Mine meteorites for sale 5.5  , 4.6,
> 6.1,	3.7, 3.6
>       gram. (wahlperry at aol.com)
>    3. Re: New Orleans meteorite caused Katrina! (Mr EMan)
>    4. Meteorite magazine, call for papers
> (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
>    5. Mars Exploration Rover Update - October 9-15, 2008
> (Ron Baalke)
>    6. AD - Exceptional Bargains - Priced To Sell Quickly!
> (Adam Hupe)
>    7. AD: nice Cape York slice 82,8g on ebay (Mirko Graul)
>    8. AD: nice Cape York - sorry link forget (Mirko Graul)
>    9. freebies and why??? (steve arnold)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:32:16 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Abdelaziz Alhyane <abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD; NWA Sale
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Dear Listees,
> I have a for sale nine meteorites, Ctype, acho, Iron and
> Chondrites, for pictures, weights and prices, please contact
> me off list.
> 
> My best
> Aziz
> 
> Abdelaziz Alhyane
> 83500 Morocco
> +21261655060
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:45:48 -0400
> From: wahlperry at aol.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Palo Verde Mine meteorites for
> sale 5.5  ,
> 	4.6, 6.1,	3.7, 3.6 gram.
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <8CB00FB33E85251-1B64-155E at MBLK-M21.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii";
> format=flowed
> 
> Hi ,
> I have 5 small complete Palo Verde mine meteorites for
> sale. I recently 
> had a chance to purchase these form the finder. It is
> almost impossible 
> to find complete Palo Verde mine Meteorites. The size are
> 5.5, 4.6, 
> 6.1, 3.7, 3.6 grams. All 5 with shipping in the U.S.A for $
> 100.00
> 
> Thanks,
> Sonny
> 
> http://www.nevadameteorites.com/id35.htm
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:14:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Orleans meteorite caused
> Katrina!
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
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> 
> 
> Do you mean to tell me that there is yet ONE person out
> there that doesn't believe it was caused by global
> warming(sic) or the Bush Administration?
> 
> Elton
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:56:43 -0700 (MST)
> From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite magazine, call for
> papers
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Hello Everyone:
> 
> We hope that you are enjoying the August issue of
> Meteorite. We have just
> finished with the proofs of the November issue. We have
> listed below the
> articles that will be in that issue.
> 
> Now, guess what?
> 
> Yes, it is that time again! It is time to start thinking
> about writing an
> article for the February issue of Meteorite. The next
> deadline is November
> 30 (though earlier is always better). It is the start of
> our fourth year
> as editors! Hard to believe.
> 
> There are still a number of you who "put off"
> submitting articles, so I
> will be getting back to you very soon. Articles can be
> anywhere from
> about 1,000 words up to 2,500 words (or a little longer)
> with 4 or 5
> pictures. A good picture might even make it to the cover!
> We also welcome
> book reviews and letters to the editors.
> 
> Please consider writing an article. If you are not sure,
> contact us! We
> hope to hear from you soon.
> 
> Articles in the November issue of Meteorite:
> 
> Centerpiece: Barred Olivine Chondrules: The Pearls of
> Meteorites
> 
> A Featured Review of ?Field Guide to Meteors and
> Meteorites,? by Norton and
>       Chitwood
> 
> Svend Buhl, et al.: Account of a Meteorite Fall Near
> Bassikounou,         
>  Mauritania, Pt. II
> 
> Sonny Clary: A New Meteorite Discovery in Chicago Valley,
> California
> 
> Greg Redfern: America is Heading Back to the Moon
> 
> Zelimir Gabelica, et al.: Ensisheim-Meteorite 2008: From
> Russia, With Love
> 
> Arthur Ehlmann: Monnig Meteorite Gallery Five-Year
> Anniversary
> 
> Larry Lebofsky: The Great Planet Debate
> 
> Andrzej Pilski: Meteorites in the Copernicus Tower
> 
> Dave Gheesling: Meteorite Association of Georgia
> 
> Carl Hergenrother: A review of ?Meteor Showers and the
> Parent Bodies,? by
>       Jenniskens
> 
> Roy Tucker: A review of ?Inconstant Moon: Discovery and
> Controversy on the
>       Way to the Moon,? by Varricchio
> 
> Peter Shugar: A review of ?Comet Strikes the Earth,? by
> Nininger
> 
> Larry and Nancy Lebofsky
> Editors, Meteorite magazine
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:42:03 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update -
> October
> 	9-15, 2008
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing
> List)
> Message-ID:
> <200810202342.QAA23114 at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#spirit
> 
> SPIRIT UPDATE:  Getting Ready to Make the Next Move - sol
> 1695-1701,
> October 09-15, 2008:
> 
> In recent weeks, increasing solar power has enabled Spirit
> to complete
> more science activities. Spirit has finished the
> 360-degree, full-color
> view of its winter surroundings, known as the
> "Bonestell panorama," and
> acquired extra frames at super resolution to enhance
> details in the
> imagery. The rover also has documented seasonal changes in
> the
> atmosphere by measuring argon gas with the alpha-particle
> X-ray
> spectrometer.
> 
> The tradeoff has been that by funneling most available
> power into
> science activities, Spirit has not had much power for
> sending data to
> Earth. That is about to change, because Spirit's
> on-board memory is
> nearly full. Instead of sending data only every fourth day,
> Spirit will
> begin relaying data every day to NASA's Odyssey orbiter
> for transmission
> to Earth.
> 
> Rover operators will use the data to plan Spirit's
> first, post-winter
> drive to adjust the rover's position to keep the solar
> panels facing the
> Sun. The move will put the rover in optimum position before
> solar
> conjunction, when Earth and Mars will be on opposite sides
> of the Sun
> and communication will not be possible. Solar conjunction
> will take
> place on Martian days, or sols, 1745-1760 (Nov. 29-Dec. 15,
> 2008).
> 
> Meanwhile, Spirit is healthy, with all subsystems
> performing as expected
> as of sol 1700 (Oct. 14, 2008). Solar-array energy has been
> 242
> watt-hours (100 watt-hours is the amount of energy needed
> to light a
> 100-watt bulb for one hour). After weeks of remarkably
> clear skies,
> atmospheric opacity or tau, a measure of the decrease in
> sunlight caused
> by atmospheric dust, has risen slightly to 0.294.
> Atmospheric dust
> levels remain low, but are beginning to trend upward and
> affect solar
> power levels. This increase is expected, as it has occurred
> at this time
> of year in each of the previous three Martian years.
> 
> The dust factor -- the percentage of light penetrating dust
> on Spirit's
> solar arrays -- has remained steady. Only 32 percent of the
> sunlight
> reaching the arrays penetrates the dust to generate
> electricity.
> 
> Sol-by-sol summary
> 
> In addition to making daily measurements of the amount of
> atmospheric
> dust preventing sunlight from reaching the rover's
> solar arrays, Spirit
> completed the following activities:
> 
> Sol 1695 (Oct. 9, 2008): Spirit checked for drift (changes
> with time) in
> the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, surveyed the
> sky and ground
> with the instrument, did survey work with the panoramic
> camera, and
> surveyed a surface target dubbed "Jules Verne"
> with the miniature
> thermal emission spectrometer.
> 
> Sol 1696: Spirit surveyed the sky and ground with the
> miniature thermal
> emission spectrometer and made some finishing touches to
> the lower edge
> of the full-color, 360-degree view of the rover's
> winter surroundings by
> acquiring 3 panels of images known as "Bonestell lower
> tiers" 1, 2, and 3.
> 
> Sol 1697: Spirit used the miniature thermal emission
> spectrometer to
> survey the sky, the ground, and a target known as
> "Stapledon." Spirit
> parked the panoramic camera mast assembly with the
> panoramic camera
> pointed below the horizon to minimize dust accumulation.
> 
> Sol 1698: Spirit took spot images of the sky for
> calibration purposes
> with the panoramic camera and spent much of the day
> recharging the battery.
> 
> Sol 1699: Spirit surveyed the sky at different elevations
> as well as the
> ground with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer and
> used the
> panoramic camera to survey the horizon and take thumbnail
> images of the
> sky on the rover's right (starboard).
> 
> Sol 1700: Spirit surveyed the sky and ground with the
> miniature thermal
> emission spectrometer and took spot images of the sky with
> the panoramic
> camera. Spirit relayed information from Mars to NASA's
> Odyssey orbiter
> for transmission to Earth.
> 
> Sol 1701 (Oct. 15, 2008): Spirit surveyed the sky and
> ground with the
> miniature thermal emission spectrometer and monitored dust
> accumulation
> on the panoramic-camera mast assembly.
> 
> Odometry:
> 
> As of sol 1700 (Oct. 14, 2008), Spirit's total odometry
> remained at
> 7,528.0 meters (4.7 miles).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:26:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Exceptional Bargains -
> Priced To Sell
> 	Quickly!
> To: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID:
> <686375.55855.qm at web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Dear List Members,
> 
> I would like bring to your attention some great items now
> listed on ebay. I am getting ready to move so lowered the
> prices substantially on all of the buy-it-now items.  Check
> them out and you will see these are the best prices
> possible, some priced below wholesale while others are half
> priced.
> 
> All auctions can be viewed at this link:
> http://search.eBay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites
> 
> A World Class Holed Iron Priced Below My Costs:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200265919270
> 
> And Its Compliment:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140276492846
> 
> Lunar Rosetta Stone, The Lowest Price Ever Publicly
> Offered, Compare At Two To Three Times This Price:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200265920812
> 
> Gorgeous Dhofar 910 Complete Lunar Slice:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200265921796
> 
> Huge Crusted Chunk Of NWA 998 Martian Nakhlite At Less Than
> $1,000.00/Gram.  This Is Less Than Half Of What Nakhlites Go
> For, The Cheapest Price Ever Offered:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200265923442
> 
> Largest Piece of NWA 3160 Lunar Meteorite in Existence
> (Secondary Main Mass):
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140276495564
> 
> Complete Slice of Spectacular Melted Eucrite, 50% Off:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200265925110
> 
> Huge 2,240 Gram Complete Slice of Renfrow in Haag Catalog
> At $1.00 A Gram Buy-it-Now For A Famous Piece, I Expect This
> Piece To Go Fast!:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200265926309
> 
> And many items started at just 99 cents with no reserve due
> to end in less than 24 hours can be found at this link:
> http://search.eBay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites
> 
> Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> ------------------------------------
> Adam Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> Team LunarRock
> IMCA 2185
> raremeteorites at comcast.net 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:11:35 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Mirko Graul <m_graul at yahoo.de>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: nice Cape York slice 82,8g on
> ebay
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <495891.75183.qm at web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> 
> in 10 hours ends my nice etched 82,8g slice of Cape York
> (Agpalilik) on ebay.
> The price in moment is very low.
> 
> Thank you for interest,
> 
> Mirko
> 
> Mirko Graul Meteorite 
> Quittenring.4 
> 16321 Bernau 
> GERMANY 
> 
> Phone: 0049-1724105015 
> E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 
> 
> IMCA-Member: 2113 
> (International Meteorite Collectors Association) 
> 
> Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de
> 
> 
>       
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:18:12 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Mirko Graul <m_graul at yahoo.de>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: nice Cape York - sorry link
> forget
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <717726.33462.qm at web26302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Hello List,
>  
>  
> in 10 hours ends my nice etched 82,8g slice of Cape York
> (Agpalilik) on ebay.
> The price in moment is very low.
> 
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=270287686365&Category=3239null&_trksid=p3907.m29
> 
> Thank you for interest,
> 
> Mirko
>  
> 
> 
> Mirko Graul Meteorite 
> Quittenring.4 
> 16321 Bernau 
> GERMANY 
> 
> Phone: 0049-1724105015 
> E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 
> 
> IMCA-Member: 2113 
> (International Meteorite Collectors Association) 
> 
> Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de
> 
> 
> --- Mirko Graul <m_graul at yahoo.de> schrieb am Di,
> 21.10.2008:
> 
> > Von: Mirko Graul <m_graul at yahoo.de>
> > Betreff: [meteorite-list] AD: nice Cape York slice
> 82,8g on ebay
> > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Datum: Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2008, 12:11
> > Hello List,
> > 
> > 
> > in 10 hours ends my nice etched 82,8g slice of Cape
> York
> > (Agpalilik) on ebay.
> > The price in moment is very low.
> > 
> > Thank you for interest,
> > 
> > Mirko
> > 
> > Mirko Graul Meteorite 
> > Quittenring.4 
> > 16321 Bernau 
> > GERMANY 
> > 
> > Phone: 0049-1724105015 
> > E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 
> > 
> > IMCA-Member: 2113 
> > (International Meteorite Collectors Association) 
> > 
> > Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de
> > 
> > 
> >       
> > ______________________________________________
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> 
>       
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:01:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] freebies and why???
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <964493.9245.qm at web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hello list.I have 7 more freebies.4 little
> glorietta's,2 oriented gao's,and 1 unclassified
> individual.This time I just want to giveaway to the USA
> because of shipping costs and last set of freebies.1st come
> will be served.On my last giveaway,I received a private
> email from a TABB5276 at AOL.COM.I do not know who it is,but I
> have an idea.The email was scathing about me always being
> out of work,my pathetic way to get friends by doing
> giveaways.Just down right discus ting.I do the freebies
> because I like to,not because I am looking for friends.I was
> laid off my last job in June.I cannot begin to tell you all
> how many miles,how much gas I have bought or most
> important,how many places I have gone to get back to work.It
> has taken it;s toll on me,but I keep going because I believe
> I will be back to work.I just do not understand the
> continued negative emails when I am doing something good and
> I am not hurting anyone.I  continue to get nice emails from
> people who
>  apprecite my givaways.And calling me swear names just
> shows no class at all.Well you know what to do,and please
> lets keep this great list on meteorites and not defaming
> anyone.
> 
> Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
> 
> 
>       
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
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> End of Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 29
> **********************************************

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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 18:24:15 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:24:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] my mistake
Message-ID: <290445.90969.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I just want to clear up a problem.The esquel piece which I got,I got for $200.I was trying to say,it was a good deal for me today.That was my good deal for me today.Not to sell,the esquel.Hey it rhymes!Sorry for the wrong info.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 18:38:32 2008
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:38:32 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Huge 66gr Zag Slice going cheap on eBay
Message-ID: <A8174892663744F9BDD1E520894F967A@David>

Less then 2.5 hours left and zero bidders.

This is the largest and nicest slice from my specimen:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330278982101

Someone might get this cheap. 


From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 18:43:42 2008
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:43:42 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Newest addition to the Gloriteta meteorite
	knives/ad/
Message-ID: <468bf6050810211543m50c2b403o485cdaa008098c0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all I have just added the newest addition of Glorietta meteorite
Damascus knives to my web site. This one has etched Glorieta meteorite
bolsters, 58 grams of Glorieta was used in the bolsters. Just the cost
of the meteorite is over $200, if you like this one you had better not
wait. It might not be there when you get ready. Here is a link
http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
     928-753-6825

From indy1996 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 18:58:16 2008
From: indy1996 at yahoo.com (Dave Schultz)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:58:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show 2009?
Message-ID: <63267.91083.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Greetings List. Sorry to rehash something, but what weekend is going to be "The Weekend" for the Tucson Show in 2009? Need to make arrangements and off days at work. Thanks in advance!!!     Dave


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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 19:05:06 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:05:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) UNCLASSIFIEDS FOR MICRO/MACRO PIECES
Message-ID: <617449.16328.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I am off and running for the evening,so I will be brief.I have around a kilo of very nice unclassifieds that I will trade for nice micros or macro meteorites.I will get the list and pics tomorrow so if interested,please email me offlist.It has been a busy day,so for so many posts.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From gsac at gmx.net  Tue Oct 21 19:15:59 2008
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:15:59 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Newest addition to the Gloriteta
	meteorite	knives/ad/
In-Reply-To: <468bf6050810211543m50c2b403o485cdaa008098c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <468bf6050810211543m50c2b403o485cdaa008098c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081021231559.168280@gmx.net>

By the way - great meteorite knives, excellent artwork!!! Got my one and only (#H335 - yes, they are numbered and come with a certificate signed by the knife maker) Glorieta knife a few months ago from Mike. I can do nothing but just recommend these here at this place, though in my normal collectors life I am much more into pure meteorites and meteorite thin sections rather than these sort of "side affairs"... :-)

Alex
Berlin/Germany


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:43:42 -0700
> Von: "Mike Miller" <meteoritefinder at gmail.com>
> An: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Newest addition to the Gloriteta meteorite	knives/ad/

> Hi all I have just added the newest addition of Glorietta meteorite
> Damascus knives to my web site. This one has etched Glorieta meteorite
> bolsters, 58 grams of Glorieta was used in the bolsters. Just the cost
> of the meteorite is over $200, if you like this one you had better not
> wait. It might not be there when you get ready. Here is a link
> http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm
> 
> -- 
> Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
> www.meteoritefinder.com
>      928-753-6825
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From illinoismeteorites at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 20:26:18 2008
From: illinoismeteorites at gmail.com (Joe Kerchner)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:26:18 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] The New SkyRock Cafe
Message-ID: <14beaf810810211726q2d890832p343fd89f0a39e5ef@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Listees,
   I just wanted to give everyone a heads up than the SkyRock Cafe has
a new url. We have upgrade the SkyRock and in doing so the url has
been changed, sorry for any inconveniences.
    This is also an open invitation to all met listees to join us at
the SkyRock Cafe, we have lots of meteorite related info and tons of
meteorite pics.
http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl
Thanks,
Joe Kerchner
http://illinoismeteorites.com
http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl

From mmurray at montrose.net  Tue Oct 21 20:14:55 2008
From: mmurray at montrose.net (Michael Murray)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:14:55 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] 20 lb piece of steel falls from sky
Message-ID: <31D606D8-45A9-49A3-8B91-6367A99E2AFA@montrose.net>

Do we have any meteorite correspondents in the Jersey City, NJ area?   
Was just wondering what this piece of metal was that hit the "car".

Mike in CO

From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 21:48:06 2008
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:48:06 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] 20 lb piece of steel falls from sky
In-Reply-To: <31D606D8-45A9-49A3-8B91-6367A99E2AFA@montrose.net>
References: <31D606D8-45A9-49A3-8B91-6367A99E2AFA@montrose.net>
Message-ID: <93aaac890810211848p5d791bb3ma53bf09f6307ba69@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mike, All,
Not a meteorite...

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2008/10/steel_object_that_smashed_car.html

I anticipate less debate than there was with the last few fallen
pieces of iron....
Regards,
Jason

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Michael Murray <mmurray at montrose.net> wrote:
> Do we have any meteorite correspondents in the Jersey City, NJ area?  Was
> just wondering what this piece of metal was that hit the "car".
>
> Mike in CO
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Tue Oct 21 22:07:48 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:07:48 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Quite The Assortment - Auctions Ending - AD
Message-ID: <7D93D57A18B1435F8396B090A390DA48@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

I have quite the assortment of eBay auctions ending tomorrow (Wednesday, 
October 22nd). You will find some larger slices of all the rarities, and of 
course the other great deals, many of which are still at just 99 cents. 
These can be found by seller, NaturesVault, here is the direct link to all 
of the auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

Some Highlights:

Muonionalusta Etched Slice 338 grams (Nice!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170271830540

NWA 1068 Martian (Dealer Lot)
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 22 09:31:14 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:31:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) UPDATE ON UNC'S FOR MICRO'S?MACRO'S
Message-ID: <208248.61970.qm@web57807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi again list.I have updats on my unclassifieds for trade.They are as follows:307.6 grams (97% crust),197.3 grams (100% crust),102.7 grams (99% crust),148.6 grams (80% crust with secondary crust),and finally 132.6 grams (100% top and side crust with full seconday crust on bottom.888.8 grams.I now have pics of all.Please offlist.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From marcin at meteoryty.pl  Wed Oct 22 09:43:13 2008
From: marcin at meteoryty.pl (Marcin Cimala - PolandMET)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:43:13 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) UPDATE ON UNC'S FOR MICRO'S?MACRO'S
References: <208248.61970.qm@web57807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001201c9344c$213cc780$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

is this mega multi spam from You starting again ?
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> Hi again list.I have updats on my unclassifieds for trade.They are as 
> follows:307.6 grams (97% crust),197.3 grams (100% crust),102.7 grams (99% 
> crust),148.6 grams (80% crust with secondary crust),and finally 132.6 
> grams (100% top and side crust with full seconday crust on bottom.888.8 
> grams.I now have pics of all.Please offlist.
>
> Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
>
>
>
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From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Wed Oct 22 12:06:11 2008
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:06:11 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] contact Michael Buckler
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20081022180428.02911c98@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hello list,

Does anybody know the new mail of Michael Buckler, Germany ?
I need an urgent contact with him.
Thanks for help

Zelimir

Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15


From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Wed Oct 22 12:06:40 2008
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:06:40 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] contact Michael Buckler
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20081022180638.028651c0@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hello list,

Does anybody know the new mail of Michael Buckler, Germany ?
I need an urgent contact with him.
Thanks for help

Zelimir

Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15


From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Oct 22 12:37:26 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:37:26 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that can't get any,
	Casper the frendly theif, and a deeply stupid article
In-Reply-To: <31D606D8-45A9-49A3-8B91-6367A99E2AFA@montrose.net>
References: <31D606D8-45A9-49A3-8B91-6367A99E2AFA@montrose.net>
Message-ID: <acluf41qbjdbcebiq2ve286mijjkmcn7u6@4ax.com>

http://www.forbes.com/markets/2008/10/21/comic-book-bubbles-markets-bubbles08-cx_ds_1021tiny.html

Tyrannosaurs And Superheroes
David Serchuk, 10.21.08, 6:00 PM ET

The meteorite market has crashed to Earth, and will never reach the heights
again.

In the late 1990s, during the great meteorite bubble, a gram of material from
the Martian Zagami meteorite could go for $2,000. Today it fetches $200. The
Christy's auction house sold a tenth of a gram of lunar rock for several hundred
thousand dollars. Today lunar material fetches $400 a gram.

What happened? What always seems to happen in a bubble: Demand lead to
speculative hoarding, which lead to oversupply, which lead to a crash.

The meteorite craze started in 1997, when European prospectors in the Sahara
found meteorites that, due to the dry climate, were practically virgin. At
first, the stones traded among just a few hands, but soon mania spread. Before
long, it began to display the usual signs of a bubble, including people sitting
on collections instead of selling them. That lead to what was once
inconceivable: a meteorite glut.

"By 2001 everybody and their grandmother was in the Sahara," says meteorite
dealer and appraiser Michael Casper. Nomadic tribesmen started dealing the
rocks, and over a million grams of once scarce material flooded the market. That
same year the craze imploded, and it hasn't returned.
In Pictures: Tiny Bubbles From Baseball Cards To Beanie Babies

A similar bubble occurred at roughly the same time in the fossil market. Through
the late '90s, animal fossils appreciated in price, fueled by novelty and the
plentiful money coming out of the tech bubble. The signal event of this craze
was Sotheby's (nyse: BID - news - people ) 1997 sale of renowned T. rex skeleton
"Sue" for $8.4 million.

"It was a surprising peak," says Peter Larson, paleontologist and president of
the Black Hills Institute. "It brought eight times more than I thought."

Fossil-mania ran wild. Hollywood players like Nicholas Cage, Ron Howard and
Leonardo DiCaprio maintained collections. Another T. rex, named Barnum, was
bought by a team of investors who paid over $1 million dollars, hoping to flip
the fossil. It eventually sold in 2006, for just $190,000.

The bubble began to deflate when would-be flippers realized that fossil-hunting
wasn't easy labor. "So much work and expertise needs to go into this," says
Larson. "It's not the same thing as picking up a meteorite, or a coin. Most of
the price (for a fossil) is in the labor."

Unlike in the meteorite crash, the higher end of the fossil world has held
value, even if it's not commanding the prices of the bubble's peak. "People
still want to put their money into something real that will maintain its value,"
says Larson. "Rice, corn and trilobites will always have some value."

One of the hallmarks of a bubble is that dealers find many different ways to
market and resell a single product. Take the comic book boom that started in the
mid-1980s. Comic book publishers would come to produce variant covers of the
same issue, inciting collectors to buy the same product multiple times.
Collectors then hoarded the books, ensuring a glut. Much like repackaged
mortgages, buyers found that a different cover on the same product was no
indication of safety, quality or long-term desirability.

Throughout the late '80s, and into the early '90s, the bubble grew higher, says
Joseph Koch, a partner in New York City-based comic book store Forbidden Planet.
There were far too many books for too few customers, he says. Dealers would buy
cases of comic books for $2000, and only sell a few of the comics, holding onto
the rest in hopes they'd go up in value. Like over-leveraged banks, dealers even
went into hock with their distributors to buy more cases.

Eventually it all backfired. Things came to a head during what is known in the
comics biz as "Black April," in 1993. A number of different comics companies
released heavily hyped books all at the same time, including Tribe, The Return
of Superman and Turok. Customers initially lined up to buy, and values rose, but
something went wrong. The problem, Koch says, was that collectors realized they
didn't own anything valuable, because there was no scarcity. "It turned out that
people had been buying comics by the case, and feeding them out slowly, but
there were more copies than people realized," he says.

The backlash was widespread. Stores went out business as collectors failed to
buy dealers out of debt. The new wave of books ended up not being worth all that
much, either. At the time, Ghost Rider was a hot title, and issue Nos. 4 and 5
traded for $10 each. Today they go for $2.50.

The pain spread to the comic publishers. Marvel Comics had two waves of firings,
and smaller companies like Valiant Comics folded outright.

Naturally, there were titles that emerged from the hype that have appreciated in
value. Few traders paid attention to the early issues of Earthworm Jim, but
today they trade at $10 apiece. You see, no one collected it.

And the top end of the comics market has not only survived, but thrived. A
pristine copy of August 1962's Amazing Fantasy No. 15, best known as the
introduction of Spider-Man, sells today for $360,000. Okay, Earthworm Jim, let's
see what you've got.

From mlblood at cox.net  Wed Oct 22 15:14:19 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:14:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that can't get any,
 Casper the frendly theif, and a deeply stupid article
In-Reply-To: <acluf41qbjdbcebiq2ve286mijjkmcn7u6@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <C524C99B.1B0BA%mlblood@cox.net>

Interesting...
        Anyone know who is David Serchuk? Is he
Just some writer who peeked into the meteorite
Market long enough to gather a few facts and
Then jump to conclusions?
        While I agree with many of his statements,
His "never to return again" hypothesis regarding
The height of meteorite prices in the late '90s is
not just questionable, but almost certainly wrong.
For one, the number of high roller fossil
collectors and comic book fanatics may increase
Only slowly over time, but meteorite collecting is
An arena that could explode to many times its
Current level in a relatively short period of time -
And the group of collectors today is so extraordinarily
Small that it could grow to sever hundreds of times
Its size in a sprint of only a few years ...... and then
continue to grow. 
        So, his conclusion of prices having peeked to
A level never to be seen again is nothing short of
absurd. 
        Other thoughts?
        Michael

on 10/22/08 9:37 AM, Darren Garrison at cynapse at charter.net wrote:

> http://www.forbes.com/markets/2008/10/21/comic-book-bubbles-markets-bubbles08-
> cx_ds_1021tiny.html
> 
> Tyrannosaurs And Superheroes
> David Serchuk, 10.21.08, 6:00 PM ET
> 
> The meteorite market has crashed to Earth, and will never reach the heights
> again.
> 
> In the late 1990s, during the great meteorite bubble, a gram of material from
> the Martian Zagami meteorite could go for $2,000. Today it fetches $200. The
> Christy's auction house sold a tenth of a gram of lunar rock for several
> hundred
> thousand dollars. Today lunar material fetches $400 a gram.
> 
> What happened? What always seems to happen in a bubble: Demand lead to
> speculative hoarding, which lead to oversupply, which lead to a crash.
> 
> The meteorite craze started in 1997, when European prospectors in the Sahara
> found meteorites that, due to the dry climate, were practically virgin. At
> first, the stones traded among just a few hands, but soon mania spread. Before
> long, it began to display the usual signs of a bubble, including people
> sitting
> on collections instead of selling them. That lead to what was once
> inconceivable: a meteorite glut.
> 
> "By 2001 everybody and their grandmother was in the Sahara," says meteorite
> dealer and appraiser Michael Casper. Nomadic tribesmen started dealing the
> rocks, and over a million grams of once scarce material flooded the market.
> That
> same year the craze imploded, and it hasn't returned.
> In Pictures: Tiny Bubbles From Baseball Cards To Beanie Babies
> 
> A similar bubble occurred at roughly the same time in the fossil market.
> Through
> the late '90s, animal fossils appreciated in price, fueled by novelty and the
> plentiful money coming out of the tech bubble. The signal event of this craze
> was Sotheby's (nyse: BID - news - people ) 1997 sale of renowned T. rex
> skeleton
> "Sue" for $8.4 million.
> 
> "It was a surprising peak," says Peter Larson, paleontologist and president of
> the Black Hills Institute. "It brought eight times more than I thought."
> 
> Fossil-mania ran wild. Hollywood players like Nicholas Cage, Ron Howard and
> Leonardo DiCaprio maintained collections. Another T. rex, named Barnum, was
> bought by a team of investors who paid over $1 million dollars, hoping to flip
> the fossil. It eventually sold in 2006, for just $190,000.
> 
> The bubble began to deflate when would-be flippers realized that
> fossil-hunting
> wasn't easy labor. "So much work and expertise needs to go into this," says
> Larson. "It's not the same thing as picking up a meteorite, or a coin. Most of
> the price (for a fossil) is in the labor."
> 
> Unlike in the meteorite crash, the higher end of the fossil world has held
> value, even if it's not commanding the prices of the bubble's peak. "People
> still want to put their money into something real that will maintain its
> value,"
> says Larson. "Rice, corn and trilobites will always have some value."
> 
> One of the hallmarks of a bubble is that dealers find many different ways to
> market and resell a single product. Take the comic book boom that started in
> the
> mid-1980s. Comic book publishers would come to produce variant covers of the
> same issue, inciting collectors to buy the same product multiple times.
> Collectors then hoarded the books, ensuring a glut. Much like repackaged
> mortgages, buyers found that a different cover on the same product was no
> indication of safety, quality or long-term desirability.
> 
> Throughout the late '80s, and into the early '90s, the bubble grew higher,
> says
> Joseph Koch, a partner in New York City-based comic book store Forbidden
> Planet.
> There were far too many books for too few customers, he says. Dealers would
> buy
> cases of comic books for $2000, and only sell a few of the comics, holding
> onto
> the rest in hopes they'd go up in value. Like over-leveraged banks, dealers
> even
> went into hock with their distributors to buy more cases.
> 
> Eventually it all backfired. Things came to a head during what is known in the
> comics biz as "Black April," in 1993. A number of different comics companies
> released heavily hyped books all at the same time, including Tribe, The Return
> of Superman and Turok. Customers initially lined up to buy, and values rose,
> but
> something went wrong. The problem, Koch says, was that collectors realized
> they
> didn't own anything valuable, because there was no scarcity. "It turned out
> that
> people had been buying comics by the case, and feeding them out slowly, but
> there were more copies than people realized," he says.
> 
> The backlash was widespread. Stores went out business as collectors failed to
> buy dealers out of debt. The new wave of books ended up not being worth all
> that
> much, either. At the time, Ghost Rider was a hot title, and issue Nos. 4 and 5
> traded for $10 each. Today they go for $2.50.
> 
> The pain spread to the comic publishers. Marvel Comics had two waves of
> firings,
> and smaller companies like Valiant Comics folded outright.
> 
> Naturally, there were titles that emerged from the hype that have appreciated
> in
> value. Few traders paid attention to the early issues of Earthworm Jim, but
> today they trade at $10 apiece. You see, no one collected it.
> 
> And the top end of the comics market has not only survived, but thrived. A
> pristine copy of August 1962's Amazing Fantasy No. 15, best known as the
> introduction of Spider-Man, sells today for $360,000. Okay, Earthworm Jim,
> let's
> see what you've got.
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
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From daistiho at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 22 16:55:38 2008
From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:55:38 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that can't get any,
 Casper the frendly theif, and a deeply stupid article
In-Reply-To: <acluf41qbjdbcebiq2ve286mijjkmcn7u6@4ax.com>
References: <31D606D8-45A9-49A3-8B91-6367A99E2AFA@montrose.net>
	<acluf41qbjdbcebiq2ve286mijjkmcn7u6@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-W17954085DB2392517B9D87CA290@phx.gbl>


I don't recognize this person's name as being in any way involved in the meteorite business.  His evaluation does seem to be fairly superficial, rather like what my opinion might be on antiques without specific research.  He doesn't seem to understand that, like many other things, meteorite demand is cyclical and depends on a number of factors.  Unlike comic books, the supply of meteorites is not under our control; it would be more closely related to something like gemstones.  The article is interesting mainly to see what people who are not active in the meteorite 'business' think of the whole affair.

Tracy Latimer

> From: cynapse at charter.net
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:37:26 -0400
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that can't get any, Casper the frendly theif, and a deeply stupid article
>
> http://www.forbes.com/markets/2008/10/21/comic-book-bubbles-markets-bubbles08-cx_ds_1021tiny.html
>
> Tyrannosaurs And Superheroes
> David Serchuk, 10.21.08, 6:00 PM ET
>
> The meteorite market has crashed to Earth, and will never reach the heights
> again.
>

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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 22 18:07:11 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:07:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay sale ending now.
Message-ID: <923419.70811.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Some very rare items ending now on ebay.

http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/ 


See the link above showing all of my auctions from 
both of my ebay usernames. 

I have some wonderful pieces ending this week, including one of the 
last Murray and Bruderheim pieces, many goodies, take a look, many are 
still 
at one cent. 

Michael Farmer 


From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 22 18:53:16 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:53:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that can't get any,
	Casper the frendly theif, and a deeply stupid article
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-W17954085DB2392517B9D87CA290@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <924197.63878.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Casper owes many people a very large amount of money, I won a lawsuit against him (lot of good that did me, havent collected a cent). 
That he is quoted in this retarded article makes sense, a clown spouting crap in a story about meteorites and comic books. 
Forbes sucks, and this story sucks as it is far from true. 
Michael Farmer


--- On Wed, 10/22/08, tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that can't get any, Casper the frendly theif, and a deeply stupid article
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 2:55 PM
> I don't recognize this person's name as being in any
> way involved in the meteorite business.  His evaluation does
> seem to be fairly superficial, rather like what my opinion
> might be on antiques without specific research.  He
> doesn't seem to understand that, like many other things,
> meteorite demand is cyclical and depends on a number of
> factors.  Unlike comic books, the supply of meteorites is
> not under our control; it would be more closely related to
> something like gemstones.  The article is interesting mainly
> to see what people who are not active in the meteorite
> 'business' think of the whole affair.
> 
> Tracy Latimer
> 
> > From: cynapse at charter.net
> > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:37:26 -0400
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that can't
> get any, Casper the frendly theif, and a deeply stupid
> article
> >
> >
> http://www.forbes.com/markets/2008/10/21/comic-book-bubbles-markets-bubbles08-cx_ds_1021tiny.html
> >
> > Tyrannosaurs And Superheroes
> > David Serchuk, 10.21.08, 6:00 PM ET
> >
> > The meteorite market has crashed to Earth, and will
> never reach the heights
> > again.
> >
> 
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Wed Oct 22 19:32:18 2008
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:32:18 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that can't get any,
	Casper the frendly theif, and a deeply stupid article
In-Reply-To: <C524C99B.1B0BA%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <acluf41qbjdbcebiq2ve286mijjkmcn7u6@4ax.com>
	<C524C99B.1B0BA%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <009201c9349e$6ce3df00$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Other thoughts?

Not necessary.

The writer hadn't a story, so he wrote a fashionable one, as all are talking
of bursting bubbles these days.

Don't know, whether one should trust in a Casper as a good analyst...:-)
(Isn't that the fellow, who aimed to sell kilo-pieces of Allende at 15$ and
NWA-H5s at 1000$/kg recently on ebay?)

By the way "a million grams" is a metric ton.

Was quite somewhat more during the recent years,
but since three, four years the prices are growing again, in the desert
sector (and in the classic too).
Seems that the scale pan bows slowly again to the demand side.

I'm sure, that several of the historic fall&find collectors would be happy
to be allowed to pay the prices of the late 1990s again, right, Michael B.?

(Hmmmm, whether Michael C. will sell me Zagami at 200$ now? With the money
he could pay his debts at Michael F.).

Which Michaels will be in Munich?
Martin



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael
L Blood
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2008 21:14
An: cynapse at charter.net; Meteorite List
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that can't get any, Casper the
frendly theif, and a deeply stupid article

Interesting...
        Anyone know who is David Serchuk? Is he
Just some writer who peeked into the meteorite
Market long enough to gather a few facts and
Then jump to conclusions?
        While I agree with many of his statements,
His "never to return again" hypothesis regarding
The height of meteorite prices in the late '90s is
not just questionable, but almost certainly wrong.
For one, the number of high roller fossil
collectors and comic book fanatics may increase
Only slowly over time, but meteorite collecting is
An arena that could explode to many times its
Current level in a relatively short period of time -
And the group of collectors today is so extraordinarily
Small that it could grow to sever hundreds of times
Its size in a sprint of only a few years ...... and then
continue to grow. 
        So, his conclusion of prices having peeked to
A level never to be seen again is nothing short of
absurd. 
        Other thoughts?
        Michael

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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 22 19:50:54 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:50:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Munich show
Message-ID: <243131.52732.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I will be in Munich for the entire show, not selling much, perhaps an item or two with Moritz Karl's table. 
I can bring things if requested, so anyone wanting me to bring something to Europe, let me know soon, as I will be extremely busy this weekend.
Michael Farmer

From gmhupe at htn.net  Wed Oct 22 21:15:39 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:15:39 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Angrites & Healthy Meteorite Market
Message-ID: <1EAFF78538CB4F6C83F0692F3B897068@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

There has been quite a bit of talk on the List regarding the health of the 
meteorite market. I believe it is very healthy and meteorites are getting 
more International attention with all of the new (and current) space 
missions. Take for instance NASA's Messenger spacecraft which made a 33-year 
return trip to Mercury January 14, 2008, again October 6th and will again 
January 2009. During a fourth and final encounter on March 18, 2011, 
Messenger will settle into orbit around Mercury . Hopefully some questions 
can start to be answered, for instance, are "Angrites" from the planet 
Mercury?

Getting back to the meteorite attention and the meteorite "Market", in the 
November 2008 issue of "Astronomy" magazine (now in news stands), there is a 
good article about Angrites, in particular NWA 2999, NWA 4801 and NWA 4590 
"Tamassint". If you own a piece of any of these, you may just see your 
collection piece in this issue! An indicator in how this helps is this 
week's auction closing price for a fragment of NWA 2999, $4,000.00 per gram! 
Granted it was a small piece, but new collectors are being born every day 
with the great meteorite press.

Another good article about NASA's Messenger mission was in the May 2008 
issue of "Sky & Telescope" magazine.

Best regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault





From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Thu Oct 23 09:15:16 2008
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:15:16 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auctions ending as usual on Saturday!
Message-ID: <001f01c93511$6b1ae290$140af90a@T42>

Dear All,

This week we still have more goodies for you on ebay that you can see at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow

THESE AUCTIONS WILL END ON SATURDAY...

- One full slice of HaH 254, a nice L5-6 with a "milky way" of Fe-Ni flakes 
and fusion crust all around its edges. TKW is just a bit less than 650g and 
there is not much left available...
http://cgi.ebay.fr/METEORITE-HaH254-L5-6-18-0g-full-slice_W0QQitemZ330278043123QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330278043123&_trkparms=72%3A1367|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

- One partial endcut of HaH 299, H6, which is also quite a low TKW meteorite 
(656g). It is also interesting to see how the difference of structure 
between its center and near the exterior, looking as if the more you go to 
the center and the less porous it is...
http://cgi.ebay.fr/METEORITE-HaH299-H6-42-1g-semi-endcut_W0QQitemZ330278043174QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330278043174&_trkparms=72%3A1367|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

- An almost fully fusion crusted OC individual, unclassified, which i 
believe could be a LL chondrite, comparing the low attraction to a magnet to 
other reknown LLs that i have such as Benguerir. This 96.6g meteorite has a 
very nice shape and looks fresh...
http://cgi.ebay.fr/METEORITE-NWA-OC-FUSION-CRUST-96-6g-indiv_W0QQitemZ330278043238QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330278043238&_trkparms=72%3A1367|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

- A really beautiful 2.8g partslice of our new Howardite, still under 
investigation for classification. I'v just emailed in order to find out if 
there are any news and i will inform the List as soon as i get any first 
analysis result. In the meantime i still call this meteorite NWA XXX (HOW).
This partslice comes with its membrane box and displays a large edge portion 
covered with fusion crust. It is also very representative of the full 
meteorite with its variations of structure, which appear vey clearly on the 
cut sections. Grab this one, don't miss it!!!
http://cgi.ebay.fr/METEORITE-NWA-XXX-2-8g-Partslice-HOWARDITE_W0QQitemZ330278043332QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330278043332&_trkparms=72%3A1367|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

- We then have a second unclassified OC, ORIENTED and 100% FUSION CRUSTED. 
It is quite a small complete individual weighing about 14g but will find its 
place and look nice in any collection. Come on! At the time i'm writing this 
post, it is still at Starting Price!!!
http://cgi.ebay.fr/METEORITE-ORIENTED-NWA-OC-FUSION-CRUST-13-9g-indiv_W0QQitemZ330278043401QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330278043401&_trkparms=72%3A1367|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

- Let's come back to Vesta 4 now, with this 8.66g endcut of SAH 02501, which 
is quite an unusual Eucrite... as it was found out during recent analyses 
carried out by Jean Alix Barrat. Some partial information taken from his 
abstract are within the announcement. And do not hesitate to bid as this one 
is also STILL AT STARTING PRICE!
http://cgi.ebay.fr/METEORITE-SAH-02501-EUC-8-66g-endcut_W0QQitemZ330278043488QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330278043488&_trkparms=72%3A1367|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

- And to end this week's auctions, you can have 4 fragments of Tatahouine 
for a total weight of 1.5g. So after a Howardite and a Eucrite, here you are 
with a Diogenite. This is a special Vesta 4 Week! And this time also you can 
make a good deal as we are still at starting price again...
http://cgi.ebay.fr/METEORITE-TATAHOUINE-DIO-1-5g-WITNESSED-FALL_W0QQitemZ330278043526QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330278043526&_trkparms=72%3A1367|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14


Good luck to all of you and thanks for looking!
Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA #2491 


From psc2410xi at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 09:49:59 2008
From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that can't get any,
	Casper the frendly theif, and a deeply stupid article
In-Reply-To: <acluf41qbjdbcebiq2ve286mijjkmcn7u6@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <541024.43466.qm@web59305.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Just consider the source of the meteorite section of this article....Michael Casper.  To quote a comic book hero..."nuff said"

Don Rawlings


--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that can't get any, Casper the frendly theif, and a deeply stupid article
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 12:37 PM
> http://www.forbes.com/markets/2008/10/21/comic-book-bubbles-markets-bubbles08-cx_ds_1021tiny.html
> 
> Tyrannosaurs And Superheroes
> David Serchuk, 10.21.08, 6:00 PM ET
> 
> The meteorite market has crashed to Earth, and will never
> reach the heights
> again.
> 
> In the late 1990s, during the great meteorite bubble, a
> gram of material from
> the Martian Zagami meteorite could go for $2,000. Today it
> fetches $200. The
> Christy's auction house sold a tenth of a gram of lunar
> rock for several hundred
> thousand dollars. Today lunar material fetches $400 a gram.
> 
> What happened? What always seems to happen in a bubble:
> Demand lead to
> speculative hoarding, which lead to oversupply, which lead
> to a crash.
> 
> The meteorite craze started in 1997, when European
> prospectors in the Sahara
> found meteorites that, due to the dry climate, were
> practically virgin. At
> first, the stones traded among just a few hands, but soon
> mania spread. Before
> long, it began to display the usual signs of a bubble,
> including people sitting
> on collections instead of selling them. That lead to what
> was once
> inconceivable: a meteorite glut.
> 
> "By 2001 everybody and their grandmother was in the
> Sahara," says meteorite
> dealer and appraiser Michael Casper. Nomadic tribesmen
> started dealing the
> rocks, and over a million grams of once scarce material
> flooded the market. That
> same year the craze imploded, and it hasn't returned.
> In Pictures: Tiny Bubbles From Baseball Cards To Beanie
> Babies
> 
> A similar bubble occurred at roughly the same time in the
> fossil market. Through
> the late '90s, animal fossils appreciated in price,
> fueled by novelty and the
> plentiful money coming out of the tech bubble. The signal
> event of this craze
> was Sotheby's (nyse: BID - news - people ) 1997 sale of
> renowned T. rex skeleton
> "Sue" for $8.4 million.
> 
> "It was a surprising peak," says Peter Larson,
> paleontologist and president of
> the Black Hills Institute. "It brought eight times
> more than I thought."
> 
> Fossil-mania ran wild. Hollywood players like Nicholas
> Cage, Ron Howard and
> Leonardo DiCaprio maintained collections. Another T. rex,
> named Barnum, was
> bought by a team of investors who paid over $1 million
> dollars, hoping to flip
> the fossil. It eventually sold in 2006, for just $190,000.
> 
> The bubble began to deflate when would-be flippers realized
> that fossil-hunting
> wasn't easy labor. "So much work and expertise
> needs to go into this," says
> Larson. "It's not the same thing as picking up a
> meteorite, or a coin. Most of
> the price (for a fossil) is in the labor."
> 
> Unlike in the meteorite crash, the higher end of the fossil
> world has held
> value, even if it's not commanding the prices of the
> bubble's peak. "People
> still want to put their money into something real that will
> maintain its value,"
> says Larson. "Rice, corn and trilobites will always
> have some value."
> 
> One of the hallmarks of a bubble is that dealers find many
> different ways to
> market and resell a single product. Take the comic book
> boom that started in the
> mid-1980s. Comic book publishers would come to produce
> variant covers of the
> same issue, inciting collectors to buy the same product
> multiple times.
> Collectors then hoarded the books, ensuring a glut. Much
> like repackaged
> mortgages, buyers found that a different cover on the same
> product was no
> indication of safety, quality or long-term desirability.
> 
> Throughout the late '80s, and into the early '90s,
> the bubble grew higher, says
> Joseph Koch, a partner in New York City-based comic book
> store Forbidden Planet.
> There were far too many books for too few customers, he
> says. Dealers would buy
> cases of comic books for $2000, and only sell a few of the
> comics, holding onto
> the rest in hopes they'd go up in value. Like
> over-leveraged banks, dealers even
> went into hock with their distributors to buy more cases.
> 
> Eventually it all backfired. Things came to a head during
> what is known in the
> comics biz as "Black April," in 1993. A number of
> different comics companies
> released heavily hyped books all at the same time,
> including Tribe, The Return
> of Superman and Turok. Customers initially lined up to buy,
> and values rose, but
> something went wrong. The problem, Koch says, was that
> collectors realized they
> didn't own anything valuable, because there was no
> scarcity. "It turned out that
> people had been buying comics by the case, and feeding them
> out slowly, but
> there were more copies than people realized," he says.
> 
> The backlash was widespread. Stores went out business as
> collectors failed to
> buy dealers out of debt. The new wave of books ended up not
> being worth all that
> much, either. At the time, Ghost Rider was a hot title, and
> issue Nos. 4 and 5
> traded for $10 each. Today they go for $2.50.
> 
> The pain spread to the comic publishers. Marvel Comics had
> two waves of firings,
> and smaller companies like Valiant Comics folded outright.
> 
> Naturally, there were titles that emerged from the hype
> that have appreciated in
> value. Few traders paid attention to the early issues of
> Earthworm Jim, but
> today they trade at $10 apiece. You see, no one collected
> it.
> 
> And the top end of the comics market has not only survived,
> but thrived. A
> pristine copy of August 1962's Amazing Fantasy No. 15,
> best known as the
> introduction of Spider-Man, sells today for $360,000. Okay,
> Earthworm Jim, let's
> see what you've got.
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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 14:33:45 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:33:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Moon and Mars Combo Kits
In-Reply-To: <mailman.276.1224769845.82507.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <574157.24206.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi Meteorite Listees!

I am offering Lunar and Martian meteorite display kits for $75 (this price includes CONUS shipping).

These are the nice little Moon Rock and Mars Rock boxes you commonly see on the market for $35-$50
each.  I have taken one of each and placed them in small Riker box for better display.  

The lunar meteorite is NWA 4734 (Mare Basalt) and the Martian is NWA 4925 (shergottite).  Each
specimen is guaranteed to weigh between 7mg and 15mg and the background photo may vary from that
shown in the photo I have linked below.  I have a selection of background photos to choose from.

Asking price of $75 includes Riker box, a freebie bag of UNWA wind-polished pebbles (for stocking
stuffers), and shipping to anywhere in the CONUS.  Canadian or Overseas shipping is $10 extra.

I can only take PayPal as payment - sorry, no checks or money orders.

Photo of the Moon/Mars Rock Combo kit :

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/April%20Sale/2-planet-kit.jpg

To inquire or order, contact me offlist at mike at galactic-stone.com

Thanks for looking!

MikeG
.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Oct 23 18:06:59 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:06:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] ESA Closes in on the Origin of Phobos
Message-ID: <200810232206.PAA19809@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEM8MUSG7MF_0.html

ESA closes in on the origin of Mars' larger moon
European Space Agency
16 October 2008

European space scientists are getting closer to unravelling the origin
of Mars'larger moon, Phobos. Thanks to a series of close encounters by
ESA's Mars Express spacecraft, the moon looks almost certain to be a
"rubble pile", rather than a single solid object. However, mysteries
remain about where the rubble came from.
 
Unlike Earth, with its single large moon, Mars plays host to two small
moons. The larger one is Phobos, an irregularly sized lump of space rock
measuring just 27 km x 22 km x 19 km.  

During the Summer, Mars Express made a series of close passes to Phobos.
It captured images at almost all fly-bys with the High Resolution Stereo
Camera (HRSC). A team led by Gerhard Neukum, Freie Universitat Berlin,
also involving scientists from the German Aerospace Centre (DLR), is now
using these and previously collected data to construct a more accurate
3D model of Phobos, so that its volume can be determined with more
precision.
 
In addition, during one of the nearest fly-bys, the Mars Express Radio
Science (MaRS) Experiment team led by Martin P??tzold, Rheinisches
Institut fuer Umweltforschung at the University of Cologne, carefully
monitored the spacecraft's radio signals. They recorded the changes in
frequency brought about by Phobos' gravity pulling Mars Express. This
data is being used by Tom Andert, Universitat der Bundeswehr Muenchen
and Pascal Rosenblatt, Royal Observatory of Belgium, both members of the
MaRS team, to calculate the precise mass of the martian moon.

Putting the mass and volume data together, the teams will be able to
calculate the density. Eventually, this will be a new important clue to
how the moon formed.

Previously, radio tracking from the Soviet Phobos 88 mission and from
the spacecraft orbiting Mars in the past decades had provided the most
accurate mass. "We can be ten times more precise in our frequency shift
measurements today," says Rosenblatt.

The team's current mass estimate for Phobos is 1.072x1016 kg, or about
one billionth the mass of the Earth.

Preliminary density calculations suggest that it is just 1.85 grams per
cubic centimetre. This is lower than the density of the martian surface
rocks, which are 2.7-3.3 grams per cubic centimetre, but very similar to
that of some asteroids.
 
The particular class of asteroids that share Phobos' density are known
as D-class. They are believed to be highly fractured bodies containing
giant caverns because they are not solid. Instead, they are a collection
of pieces, held together by gravity. Scientists call them rubble piles.

Also, spectroscopic data from Mars Express and previous spacecraft show
that Phobos has a similar composition to these asteroids. This suggests
that Phobos, and probably its smaller sibling Deimos, are captured
asteroids. However, one observation remains difficult to explain in this
scenario.

Usually captured asteroids are injected into random orbits around the
planet that gravitationally tie them, but Phobos orbits above Mars'
equator - a very specific case. Scientists do not yet understand how it
could do this.

In another scenario, Phobos could have been made of martian rocks that
were blasted into space during a large meteorite impact. These pieces
have not fallen completely together, thus creating the rubble pile.

So the question remains, where did the original material come from -
Mars' surface or the asteroid belt? The MARSIS radar on board Mars
Express has also collected historic data about Phobos' subsurface. This
data, together with that from the moon's surface and surroundings
gathered by the other Mars Express instruments, will also help put
constraints on the origin. It's clear though that the whole truth will
only be known when samples of the moon are brought back to Earth for
analysis in laboratories.
 
This exciting possibility might soon become reality because the Russians
will attempt to do this with the Phobos-Grunt mission, to be launched
next year. To land on Phobos, they will require the precise knowledge of
the mass as measured by the MaRS Experiment in order to navigate
correctly, and are also making use of the HRSC images to select the
landing site.
 

Note for editors
 
Many more Phobos pictures are accessible following this link
<http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMAKVSG7MF_mg_1.html>.

Between 23 July and 15 September 2008 Mars Express performed a series of
eight fly-bys of the martian moon Phobos, at distances ranging between
4500 and 93 km from the centre of the moon, conducting some of the most
detailed investigations of the Moon to date. In observing Phobos, Mars
Express benefits from its highly elliptical orbit which takes it from a
closest Mars approach of 270 km above the surface up to a maximum of 10
000 km from the planet's centre, crossing the 9 400 km orbit of the
moon. Like our Moon, Phobos always shows the same side to the planet, so
it is only by flying outside the orbit that it becomes possible to
observe the far side. The other spacecraft presently orbiting Mars do so
at much lower altitudes, and therefore only see the planet-facing side
of the moon.
 
The High-Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) collected pictures of the
moon???s surface with the highest resolution possible, in colour and in
3-D, and provided images of areas never glimpsed before. By September,
also the Super Resolution (SRC) Camera, part of the HRSC experiment,
collected plenty of images. During the second fly-by, all efforts were
concentrated on accurately determining the mass of the moon using the
MaRS experiment.

The Visible and Infrared Mineralogical Mapping Spectrometer, OMEGA, the
Planetary Fourier Spectrometer, PFS, and the Ultraviolet and Infrared
Atmospheric Spectrometer, SPICAM, gathered details on the surface
composition, geochemistry and temperature of Phobos.
 
The MARSIS radar collected information on the topography of the moon's
surface and on the structure of its interior. The Energetic neutral
atoms analyser, ASPERA studied the environment around Phobos, in
particular the plasma that surrounds the moon and also the interaction
of the moon with the solar wind.

For more information

Gerhard Neukum, HRSC Principal Investigator, Freie Universitat Berlin,
Germany
Email: gneukum @ zedat.fu-berlin.de

Martin P??tzold, MaRS Principal Investigator, Rheinisches Institut fuer
Umweltforschung, University of Cologne
Email: Paetzold @ geo.uni-koeln.de

Pascal Rosenblatt, MaRS science team, Royal Observatory of Belgium
Email: Pascal.Rosenblatt @ oma.be

Tom Andert, Universitat der Bundeswehr Muenchen, Germany
Email: Tom.Andert @ unibw-muenchen.de

Agustin Chicarro, ESA Mars Express Project Scientist
Email: Agustin.Chicarro @ esa.int


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 09:38:08 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:38:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for more small gloriettas(AD)
Message-ID: <413818.20760.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.I am looking for more small glorietta (1 to 7 grams siderites).Please contact me offlist.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From mikewren at gilanet.com  Fri Oct 24 14:23:14 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:23:14 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: YOU DO NOT WANT TO MISS THESE METEORITE
	AUCTIONS...
Message-ID: <20081024182321.BBE1110587@mailwash5.pair.com>

Hello All,

I am having computer trouble with possible hard drive failure. So I want to
give a heads up to my auctions this week. A MUST SEE! I can not do exact
highlights at the moment, but after I back things up and save what I can I
will. In the meantime go to my ebay store and click on auctions, pretty
simple.

Here is the link:

MAIN STORE LINK:
http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store?


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham



From marcin at polandmet.com  Fri Oct 24 19:00:20 2008
From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:00:20 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] New material ending soon AD
References: <33103356.57711224100804736.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>
Message-ID: <001a01c9362c$4a7fcc00$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

Hello Friends/
I have some auctions ending tomorrow evening (EU time).

??? Meteorit NWA xxx CV3 ------------- full slice 5.90
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=350112097814

??? Meteorit NWA 5219 [A-SHE] rare Mars Shergottite
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=350112101699

??? Meteorit NWA 4560 [LL3.1] S2/W2 slice 15g NEU !!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=350112103845

??? Meteorit NWA 4967 [CO3.2] slice 2.44g carbonaceous
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=350112105768

??? Meteorit NWA 2698 [AHOW] rare Howardite slice 3.50g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=350112106569

??? Meteorit NWA 4965 [A-DIO] rare Diogenite slice 4.37
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=350112115460

??? Meteorit NWA 4438 [L3.1] S2/W2 endpiece 3.04g
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$$$ Coin - Medal with PULTUSK Meteorite Poland 2008 NEW
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 24 20:06:06 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:06:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images - October 20-24, 2008
Message-ID: <200810250006.RAA15225@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
October 20-24, 2008

o Polar Dunes (Released 20 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081020a

o Polar Dunes (Released 21 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081021a

o Cerulli Channels (Released 22 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081022a

o  Polar Dunes (Released 23 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081023a

o Dark Slope Streaks (Released 24 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081024a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 24 20:15:28 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:15:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 22, 2008
Message-ID: <200810250015.RAA17136@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
October 22, 2008

o Layers in Crater Wall
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009694_1545

o Linear Dunes in the North Polar Region 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009739_2580

o Fan in Holden Crater 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009841_1530

o Light-toned Layers West of Juventae Chasma
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009842_1755


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Fri Oct 24 20:58:16 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:58:16 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Breccia question
Message-ID: <bcb.3af5c7d4.3633c928@aol.com>

Hi list,  I am wondering how often do great  looking breccia occur in earth 
rocks.  Is it quite common?  

I  was hiking on my land here in Idaho and found a red/white breccia that 
looks  dynamite (really).  Tumbled smooth (I guess) in the wash out of Lake  
Bonnieville, which tore through here some time ago.  Any one who cares to  take a 
look and let me know their thoughts, please email me.  

I  also have some shots of the coolest meteorite breccia I have ever cut into 
and  it just so happens the angular clasts are about the same in shape and  
size.

Tom Phillips  

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From minador at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 21:18:08 2008
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:18:08 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Breccia question
In-Reply-To: <bcb.3af5c7d4.3633c928@aol.com>
References: <bcb.3af5c7d4.3633c928@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c9363f$8b64d310$a22e7930$@com>

Hi Tom,

I'd suggest you try to find the source because if it's attractive & accessible, it could be commercially viable as a decorative stone.  Please send me photos of both.

As far as abundance, I couldn't say.  I love collecting breccias because they're very important in the formation of ore deposits.  My most favorite breccia in my collection, regardless of source, is my fabulous PV (thanks to the Woolard family).  :-)

Clear skies,

Mark
Vail, AZ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-
> list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 5:58 PM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] A Breccia question
> 
> Hi list,  I am wondering how often do great  looking breccia occur in
> earth
> rocks.  Is it quite common?
> 
> I  was hiking on my land here in Idaho and found a red/white breccia
> that
> looks  dynamite (really).  Tumbled smooth (I guess) in the wash out of
> Lake
> Bonnieville, which tore through here some time ago.  Any one who cares
> to  take a
> look and let me know their thoughts, please email me.
> 
> I  also have some shots of the coolest meteorite breccia I have ever
> cut into
> and  it just so happens the angular clasts are about the same in shape
> and
> size.
> 
> Tom Phillips
> 
> **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your
> favorites,
> no registration required and great graphics ? check it out!
> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redi
> r=
> http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)
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From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 24 22:28:24 2008
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: nice impact melt for sale complete 2116 gr.
Message-ID: <319196.90197.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

hi all
i have this 2116 gr impact melt breccia for sale.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/2967903497/in/set-72157603690033934/

 and some nwa 869 complete black purple.
many other stufs very interesting , 

please email me if you are interested.

all the best
aziz habibi.





http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/
habibi aziz 
www.palmerfoud.com
www.palmotel.com
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170


      

From delraygoddess at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 25 03:09:48 2008
From: delraygoddess at yahoo.com (Leigh Anne DelRay)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:09:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list]  AD: 315 gram Canyon Diablo for sale
Message-ID: <619036.78781.qm@web37105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



I am trying to raise money and want to sale the largest CD in my collection, anyone interested.
It is 315 grams, and has not been cleaned in anyway, has patina and is 'as found', I got it from an old collection a long time ago. If someone wants it cleaned, I can clean it though.
Here are some photos:
http://www.callistodesigns.com/cd-315a.jpg
http://www.callistodesigns.com/cd-315b.jpg
http://www.callistodesigns.com/cd-315c.jpg

Make me an offer. Thanks a lot. 


      

From saharagems at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 25 05:56:48 2008
From: saharagems at yahoo.com (Stalder Thomas)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:56:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Libyan Desert Glass photo-slide show on YouTube
Message-ID: <651539.38327.qm@web44915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Dear All,

I've just add a 10min. picture slide-show with some of my most beautiful Libyan Desert Glass pieces.
Take a look if you like.....

Best regards and have a nice weekend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PgP_RN2uT8

Thomas at saharagems

http://www.sahara-gems.com
http://www.saharastones.com


      


From geoking at notkin.net  Sat Oct 25 16:14:45 2008
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:14:45 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] eBay Auctions: Allende, Carancas, Odessa,
	Taza and much more . . .
Message-ID: <BC834D00-1461-4762-AF5C-94A1F3AD4FF4@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

Greetings from Tucson, AZ, on a lovely sunny day -- 83 degrees and  
blue skies.

We have a lot of meteorite auctions running on eBay at the moment,  
with about half of them closing tomorrow, Sunday. Many are still at  
only 99 cents and include Allende, Bassikounou, Bensour, Carancas,  
Darwin Glass, Gao, Gibeon, a Kriegh/Monrad Gold Basin, Juancheng, and  
Sikhote-Alin.


Of special interest are a historic Draeger-Nininger Odessa with very  
unusual surface features:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170271839448


. . . and a gorgeous Taza/NWA 859 individual, partially fusion crusted:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170271841093


As always all our meteorite auctions are NO RESERVE.


All items up for auction can be seen here:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZaerolitemeteorites


Hi-tech instant recap with photos at Meteorite.com thanks to Paul  
Harris, Jedi webmaster:

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-dealers/dealer-listings/aerolite.htm


Thanks for looking and enjoy the weekend!


Geoff N.
www.aerolite.org
www.campometeorites.com

From jwal2000 at swbell.net  Sat Oct 25 16:33:55 2008
From: jwal2000 at swbell.net (Jerry A. Wallace)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:33:55 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
Message-ID: <490382B3.3000804@swbell.net>

Dear Meteorite Flavored Folks,

I write this as a testimonial to one of the most caring and esteemed 
dealers in our
meteorite community.

Here is a lady whose heart is as generous and grand as the great state 
of Colorado,
where she resides. She has a heart filled with caring and compassion for 
her customers,
as well as her fellow man. She is a rarity in these times of economic 
uncertainty and
personal financial concerns. She is one who gives without being asked.

My wife Kathy and I made a major (for us) purchase from this fine lady some
months back. I briefly mentioned that we would be on a diet of bologna and
stale, dry bread for many months to come in order to afford the rare 
specimen
that we were purchasing.

Then, as luck would have it, Dr. Ehlmann released yet another fine and 
precious
specimen from that most wondrous of collections of Texas meteorites, the 
Monnig
Collection.

Having learned my lesson several years back about rare specimens not lasting
long on the open market, I (with Kathy's gracious permission and in 
collusion)
decided to bite the bullet and acquire that next expensive rarity for 
our Texas
collection.

Again, I mentioned to our favorite dealer that we would probably have to 
go on
"half rations" of our bologna and dry bread diet in order to survive our 
decision
to keep our Texas Collection as our foremost consideration. (The kids 
starved
years ago early in our collection process. Still feel bad about that, 
but we must let
bygones be bygones. Water under the bridge, as it were.)

Imagine our surprise when the specimen arrived and in the box were not only
the rare meteorite and its documentation but also a huge stack of 
current food
coupons. Now we can have cheese and mayonnaise on our bologna sandwiches.
And there were coupons for burritos, for Pillsbury dinner rolls, for 
Pillsbury frozen
cookies, for Red Baron French Bread Paninis, for Chef Boyardee ravioli and
beefaroni as well as a variety of "Forkables", coupons for juices, 
potpies, and
Ball Park Franks. And the list could go on and on. We'll eat like kings 
and queens
this winter and have our meteorites, too. What more could poor folks ask?

Now I ask you, is there a finer, more generous meteorite dealer on this 
planet, or
any other planet that we know about? I think not. Without mentioning 
specific names,
can you even in your wildest dreams imagine a Farmer, a Blood, or a 
Cottingham
helping to feed their hungry customers in these dire times? (I lied 
about not mentioning
names.) Again, not damned likely.

And so, with tongue firmly planted in cheek, I nominate Ms. Anne Black 
as the most
humane and thoughtful of existing Meteorite Dealers. I ask that the 
powers that be
(Mr. Bostick, et al, if memory serves) initiate and produce an award to 
be presented
at the Tucson Auction/ Awards Ceremony this coming year for "The Most 
Generous
and Caring Meteorite Dealer Known to Mankind".

Best regards to all,

Jerry Wallace
Odessa, Texas


P.S. to Mr. Mike Farmer... Please read and understand the above letter 
in the spirit
in which it was written, an attempt at humor, and don't get all warped 
out of shape
just because I mentioned your name. You, Mr. Blood and Mr. Cottingham 
are all
fine dealers deserving of recognition as well. I have been a customer of 
all of you
over the years but none of you have ever helped feed me when I made 
extravagant
purchases from you. Thanks, jw.




From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 25 19:07:22 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:07:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
In-Reply-To: <490382B3.3000804@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <994932.76190.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am not sure what to think about that email. 
Is it a joke, or are you serious? 
Michael Farmer


--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Jerry A. Wallace <jwal2000 at swbell.net> wrote:

> From: Jerry A. Wallace <jwal2000 at swbell.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
> To: "MeteoriteCentral" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 2:33 PM
> Dear Meteorite Flavored Folks,
> 
> I write this as a testimonial to one of the most caring and
> esteemed 
> dealers in our
> meteorite community.
> 
> Here is a lady whose heart is as generous and grand as the
> great state 
> of Colorado,
> where she resides. She has a heart filled with caring and
> compassion for 
> her customers,
> as well as her fellow man. She is a rarity in these times
> of economic 
> uncertainty and
> personal financial concerns. She is one who gives without
> being asked.
> 
> My wife Kathy and I made a major (for us) purchase from
> this fine lady some
> months back. I briefly mentioned that we would be on a diet
> of bologna and
> stale, dry bread for many months to come in order to afford
> the rare 
> specimen
> that we were purchasing.
> 
> Then, as luck would have it, Dr. Ehlmann released yet
> another fine and 
> precious
> specimen from that most wondrous of collections of Texas
> meteorites, the 
> Monnig
> Collection.
> 
> Having learned my lesson several years back about rare
> specimens not lasting
> long on the open market, I (with Kathy's gracious
> permission and in 
> collusion)
> decided to bite the bullet and acquire that next expensive
> rarity for 
> our Texas
> collection.
> 
> Again, I mentioned to our favorite dealer that we would
> probably have to 
> go on
> "half rations" of our bologna and dry bread diet
> in order to survive our 
> decision
> to keep our Texas Collection as our foremost consideration.
> (The kids 
> starved
> years ago early in our collection process. Still feel bad
> about that, 
> but we must let
> bygones be bygones. Water under the bridge, as it were.)
> 
> Imagine our surprise when the specimen arrived and in the
> box were not only
> the rare meteorite and its documentation but also a huge
> stack of 
> current food
> coupons. Now we can have cheese and mayonnaise on our
> bologna sandwiches.
> And there were coupons for burritos, for Pillsbury dinner
> rolls, for 
> Pillsbury frozen
> cookies, for Red Baron French Bread Paninis, for Chef
> Boyardee ravioli and
> beefaroni as well as a variety of "Forkables",
> coupons for juices, 
> potpies, and
> Ball Park Franks. And the list could go on and on.
> We'll eat like kings 
> and queens
> this winter and have our meteorites, too. What more could
> poor folks ask?
> 
> Now I ask you, is there a finer, more generous meteorite
> dealer on this 
> planet, or
> any other planet that we know about? I think not. Without
> mentioning 
> specific names,
> can you even in your wildest dreams imagine a Farmer, a
> Blood, or a 
> Cottingham
> helping to feed their hungry customers in these dire times?
> (I lied 
> about not mentioning
> names.) Again, not damned likely.
> 
> And so, with tongue firmly planted in cheek, I nominate Ms.
> Anne Black 
> as the most
> humane and thoughtful of existing Meteorite Dealers. I ask
> that the 
> powers that be
> (Mr. Bostick, et al, if memory serves) initiate and produce
> an award to 
> be presented
> at the Tucson Auction/ Awards Ceremony this coming year for
> "The Most 
> Generous
> and Caring Meteorite Dealer Known to Mankind".
> 
> Best regards to all,
> 
> Jerry Wallace
> Odessa, Texas
> 
> 
> P.S. to Mr. Mike Farmer... Please read and understand the
> above letter 
> in the spirit
> in which it was written, an attempt at humor, and don't
> get all warped 
> out of shape
> just because I mentioned your name. You, Mr. Blood and Mr.
> Cottingham 
> are all
> fine dealers deserving of recognition as well. I have been
> a customer of 
> all of you
> over the years but none of you have ever helped feed me
> when I made 
> extravagant
> purchases from you. Thanks, jw.
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 25 19:11:04 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:11:04 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
In-Reply-To: <994932.76190.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <490382B3.3000804@swbell.net>
	<994932.76190.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W372D85779700F69CF9F758F82A0@phx.gbl>


I was puzzled, too...

If it is a joke, let me continue it with; Think of the great meteorite specimens you could buy if you just ate cat food!

Ar ar ar!

Cheers,

Pete





> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:07:22 -0700
> From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; jwal2000 at swbell.net
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
>
> I am not sure what to think about that email.
> Is it a joke, or are you serious?
> Michael Farmer
>
>
> --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Jerry A. Wallace  wrote:
>
>> From: Jerry A. Wallace 
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
>> To: "MeteoriteCentral" 
>> Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 2:33 PM
>> Dear Meteorite Flavored Folks,
>>
>> I write this as a testimonial to one of the most caring and
>> esteemed
>> dealers in our
>> meteorite community.
>>
>> Here is a lady whose heart is as generous and grand as the
>> great state
>> of Colorado,
>> where she resides. She has a heart filled with caring and
>> compassion for
>> her customers,
>> as well as her fellow man. She is a rarity in these times
>> of economic
>> uncertainty and
>> personal financial concerns. She is one who gives without
>> being asked.
>>
>> My wife Kathy and I made a major (for us) purchase from
>> this fine lady some
>> months back. I briefly mentioned that we would be on a diet
>> of bologna and
>> stale, dry bread for many months to come in order to afford
>> the rare
>> specimen
>> that we were purchasing.
>>
>> Then, as luck would have it, Dr. Ehlmann released yet
>> another fine and
>> precious
>> specimen from that most wondrous of collections of Texas
>> meteorites, the
>> Monnig
>> Collection.
>>
>> Having learned my lesson several years back about rare
>> specimens not lasting
>> long on the open market, I (with Kathy's gracious
>> permission and in
>> collusion)
>> decided to bite the bullet and acquire that next expensive
>> rarity for
>> our Texas
>> collection.
>>
>> Again, I mentioned to our favorite dealer that we would
>> probably have to
>> go on
>> "half rations" of our bologna and dry bread diet
>> in order to survive our
>> decision
>> to keep our Texas Collection as our foremost consideration.
>> (The kids
>> starved
>> years ago early in our collection process. Still feel bad
>> about that,
>> but we must let
>> bygones be bygones. Water under the bridge, as it were.)
>>
>> Imagine our surprise when the specimen arrived and in the
>> box were not only
>> the rare meteorite and its documentation but also a huge
>> stack of
>> current food
>> coupons. Now we can have cheese and mayonnaise on our
>> bologna sandwiches.
>> And there were coupons for burritos, for Pillsbury dinner
>> rolls, for
>> Pillsbury frozen
>> cookies, for Red Baron French Bread Paninis, for Chef
>> Boyardee ravioli and
>> beefaroni as well as a variety of "Forkables",
>> coupons for juices,
>> potpies, and
>> Ball Park Franks. And the list could go on and on.
>> We'll eat like kings
>> and queens
>> this winter and have our meteorites, too. What more could
>> poor folks ask?
>>
>> Now I ask you, is there a finer, more generous meteorite
>> dealer on this
>> planet, or
>> any other planet that we know about? I think not. Without
>> mentioning
>> specific names,
>> can you even in your wildest dreams imagine a Farmer, a
>> Blood, or a
>> Cottingham
>> helping to feed their hungry customers in these dire times?
>> (I lied
>> about not mentioning
>> names.) Again, not damned likely.
>>
>> And so, with tongue firmly planted in cheek, I nominate Ms.
>> Anne Black
>> as the most
>> humane and thoughtful of existing Meteorite Dealers. I ask
>> that the
>> powers that be
>> (Mr. Bostick, et al, if memory serves) initiate and produce
>> an award to
>> be presented
>> at the Tucson Auction/ Awards Ceremony this coming year for
>> "The Most
>> Generous
>> and Caring Meteorite Dealer Known to Mankind".
>>
>> Best regards to all,
>>
>> Jerry Wallace
>> Odessa, Texas
>>
>>
>> P.S. to Mr. Mike Farmer... Please read and understand the
>> above letter
>> in the spirit
>> in which it was written, an attempt at humor, and don't
>> get all warped
>> out of shape
>> just because I mentioned your name. You, Mr. Blood and Mr.
>> Cottingham
>> are all
>> fine dealers deserving of recognition as well. I have been
>> a customer of
>> all of you
>> over the years but none of you have ever helped feed me
>> when I made
>> extravagant
>> purchases from you. Thanks, jw.
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From jwal2000 at swbell.net  Sat Oct 25 19:42:01 2008
From: jwal2000 at swbell.net (Jerry A. Wallace)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:42:01 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
In-Reply-To: <994932.76190.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <994932.76190.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4903AEC9.8030005@swbell.net>

True story, Michael. The "Care Box" just got here
yesterday.

And I was just pulling your leg a little bit about letting your
customers go hungry. I'm sure you would never let a customer
starve.

Jerry

Michael Farmer wrote:
> I am not sure what to think about that email. 
> Is it a joke, or are you serious? 
> Michael Farmer
>
>   

From Impactika at aol.com  Sat Oct 25 19:50:08 2008
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:50:08 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
Message-ID: <bf1.3ef0dc68.36350ab0@aol.com>

Jerry!

This has to be the kindest and the funniest email I have ever read!!
(BTW: I tried to call you a while ago, but no answer. You must have been 
grocery shopping)  ;-)

And I am so glad you were not offended by my little joke. (Yes, List members, 
it was a joke between Jerry, Kathy and me. Please do not expect me to put 
food coupons in all your packages. Thank you).

And thank you Jerry, for being such a friendly (and very funny) customer.

Sincerely.

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 


In a message dated 10/25/2008 2:34:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
jwal2000 at swbell.net writes:
Dear Meteorite Flavored Folks,

I write this as a testimonial to one of the most caring and esteemed 
dealers in our
meteorite community.

Here is a lady whose heart is as generous and grand as the great state 
of Colorado,
where she resides. She has a heart filled with caring and compassion for 
her customers,
as well as her fellow man. She is a rarity in these times of economic 
uncertainty and
personal financial concerns. She is one who gives without being asked.

My wife Kathy and I made a major (for us) purchase from this fine lady some
months back. I briefly mentioned that we would be on a diet of bologna and
stale, dry bread for many months to come in order to afford the rare 
specimen
that we were purchasing.

Then, as luck would have it, Dr. Ehlmann released yet another fine and 
precious
specimen from that most wondrous of collections of Texas meteorites, the 
Monnig
Collection.

Having learned my lesson several years back about rare specimens not lasting
long on the open market, I (with Kathy's gracious permission and in 
collusion)
decided to bite the bullet and acquire that next expensive rarity for 
our Texas
collection.

Again, I mentioned to our favorite dealer that we would probably have to 
go on
"half rations" of our bologna and dry bread diet in order to survive our 
decision
to keep our Texas Collection as our foremost consideration. (The kids 
starved
years ago early in our collection process. Still feel bad about that, 
but we must let
bygones be bygones. Water under the bridge, as it were.)

Imagine our surprise when the specimen arrived and in the box were not only
the rare meteorite and its documentation but also a huge stack of 
current food
coupons. Now we can have cheese and mayonnaise on our bologna sandwiches.
And there were coupons for burritos, for Pillsbury dinner rolls, for 
Pillsbury frozen
cookies, for Red Baron French Bread Paninis, for Chef Boyardee ravioli and
beefaroni as well as a variety of "Forkables", coupons for juices, 
potpies, and
Ball Park Franks. And the list could go on and on. We'll eat like kings 
and queens
this winter and have our meteorites, too. What more could poor folks ask?

Now I ask you, is there a finer, more generous meteorite dealer on this 
planet, or
any other planet that we know about? I think not. Without mentioning 
specific names,
can you even in your wildest dreams imagine a Farmer, a Blood, or a 
Cottingham
helping to feed their hungry customers in these dire times? (I lied 
about not mentioning
names.) Again, not damned likely.

And so, with tongue firmly planted in cheek, I nominate Ms. Anne Black 
as the most
humane and thoughtful of existing Meteorite Dealers. I ask that the 
powers that be
(Mr. Bostick, et al, if memory serves) initiate and produce an award to 
be presented
at the Tucson Auction/ Awards Ceremony this coming year for "The Most 
Generous
and Caring Meteorite Dealer Known to Mankind".

Best regards to all,

Jerry Wallace
Odessa, Texas


P.S. to Mr. Mike Farmer... Please read and understand the above letter 
in the spirit
in which it was written, an attempt at humor, and don't get all warped 
out of shape
just because I mentioned your name. You, Mr. Blood and Mr. Cottingham 
are all
fine dealers deserving of recognition as well. I have been a customer of 
all of you
over the years but none of you have ever helped feed me when I made 
extravagant
purchases from you. Thanks, jw.
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From jwal2000 at swbell.net  Sat Oct 25 19:51:25 2008
From: jwal2000 at swbell.net (Jerry A. Wallace)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:51:25 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
In-Reply-To: <BAY141-W372D85779700F69CF9F758F82A0@phx.gbl>
References: <490382B3.3000804@swbell.net>
	<994932.76190.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY141-W372D85779700F69CF9F758F82A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4903B0FD.3080002@swbell.net>

Pete,

That may have been the case a few years ago, Pete. But have
you seen the price of cat food lately. Besides that, our cats
would attack us if we started eating their food. Better to stay
on the safe side and just eat the bologna. Have to fight with the
cats over that. They love bologna.

Jerry

Pete Pete wrote:
> I was puzzled, too...
>
> If it is a joke, let me continue it with; Think of the great meteorite specimens you could buy if you just ate cat food!
>
> Ar ar ar!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete
>
>   

From mlblood at cox.net  Sat Oct 25 20:25:55 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:25:55 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
In-Reply-To: <994932.76190.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C5290723.1B202%mlblood@cox.net>

Hay Jerry,
        Look me up in Tucson and I will buy you a burger.
        However, I agree with you - indeed, Anne Black is a "good guy"
(In her case, "gal").
        Best wishes, Michael

on 10/25/08 4:07 PM, Michael Farmer at meteoriteguy at yahoo.com wrote:

> Now I ask you, is there a finer, more generous meteorite
>> dealer on this 
>> planet, or
>> any other planet that we know about? I think not. Without
>> mentioning 
>> specific names,
>> can you even in your wildest dreams imagine a Farmer, a
>> Blood, or a 
>> Cottingham
>> helping to feed their hungry customers in these dire times?
>> (I lied 
>> about not mentioning
>> names.) Again, not damned likely.
>> 
>> And so, with tongue firmly planted in cheek, I nominate Ms.
>> Anne Black 
>> as the most
>> humane and thoughtful of existing Meteorite Dealers. I ask
>> that the 
>> powers that be
>> (Mr. Bostick, et al, if memory serves) initiate and produce
>> an award to 
>> be presented
>> at the Tucson Auction/ Awards Ceremony this coming year for
>> "The Most 
>> Generous
>> and Caring Meteorite Dealer Known to Mankind".
>> 
>> Best regards to all,
>> 
>> Jerry Wallace
>> Odessa, Texas

Totally Green by Twenty Eighteen!

Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail Out"):
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm








From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Oct 25 20:26:28 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:26:28 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
In-Reply-To: <490382B3.3000804@swbell.net>
References: <490382B3.3000804@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <avd7g4dooq950dkguhj54tpqdhuoidi4pi@4ax.com>

Some would say that the kinder dealer is the one who-- like a bartender-- cuts
you off after you've had too much: "sorry, buddy, you've had enough meteorites
for now."

Other dealers cut you off, seeing that you can't afford it.  "Black Anne", on
the other hand, devised a scheme by which you could squeeze out a few more
dollars to send to her-- "Coupons!" she exclaimed, cackling and rubbing her
hands together while kicking a puppy.

(The above post is entirely fictional, any resembelance to the motives of any
meteorite dealers is purely coincidental.  No meteorite dealers or puppies were
harmed in the production of this message).

From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Oct 25 22:28:41 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:28:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
In-Reply-To: <723783.93895.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <avd7g4dooq950dkguhj54tpqdhuoidi4pi@4ax.com>
	<723783.93895.qm@web45604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <del7g4ph4ta3kudvgnikmn0303e2n7mc2f@4ax.com>

Done.

On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:51:48 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Could you please forward this to the metlist?
>?
>I can not post here anymore! I have tried several times.
>Nothing on my PC has changed since I was able to post.
>Can anyone tell me why? 
>Last time I posted was about too many dealer adds from the same people day after day, after that I seem to have been blocked from posting... did I offend someone by speaking my feelings about too many ads?
>My post was not negative in anyway, why would I be blocked? 
>I hope this issue can be fixed to allow me to post again.
>I posted many times, but after my post about ads, it really seems that someone turned me off!
>?
>?
>Greg Catterton
>
>--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
>
>From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
>To: "MeteoriteCentral" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 8:26 PM
>
>Some would say that the kinder dealer is the one who-- like a bartender-- cuts
>you off after you've had too much: "sorry, buddy, you've had
>enough meteorites
>for now."
>
>Other dealers cut you off, seeing that you can't afford it.  "Black
>Anne", on
>the other hand, devised a scheme by which you could squeeze out a few more
>dollars to send to her-- "Coupons!" she exclaimed, cackling and
>rubbing her
>hands together while kicking a puppy.
>
>(The above post is entirely fictional, any resembelance to the motives of any
>meteorite dealers is purely coincidental.  No meteorite dealers or puppies were
>harmed in the production of this message).
>______________________________________________
>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>Meteorite-list mailing list
>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>
>
>      


From John at Cabassi.net  Sat Oct 25 22:38:33 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:38:33 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Member Having Problems Posting
Message-ID: <000801c93713$f5b50f80$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day List
It has been brought to my attention that Greg Catterton has been having 
problems posting to the met list. He seems to receive email, but cannot 
post. So, I am acting on his behalf to try and resolve the problem.

I would really appreciate some help on this issue or at least someone to 
contact in regards to the problem.

Thanks in advance,
John L. Cabassi
IMCA #2125 


From John at Cabassi.net  Sat Oct 25 22:44:13 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:44:13 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
References: <490382B3.3000804@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <001601c93714$bd5afc20$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day List
Fascinating post Jerry. You're very creative with your humor. But besides 
that, I would not think anything less of Anne; she's a great person, full of 
humor and a big heart and willing to help anybody regardless.

Cheers
Johnno

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry A. Wallace" <jwal2000 at swbell.net>
To: "MeteoriteCentral" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:33 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.


> Dear Meteorite Flavored Folks,
>
> I write this as a testimonial to one of the most caring and esteemed 
> dealers in our
> meteorite community.
>
> Here is a lady whose heart is as generous and grand as the great state of 
> Colorado,
> where she resides. She has a heart filled with caring and compassion for 
> her customers,
> as well as her fellow man. She is a rarity in these times of economic 
> uncertainty and
> personal financial concerns. She is one who gives without being asked.
>
> My wife Kathy and I made a major (for us) purchase from this fine lady 
> some
> months back. I briefly mentioned that we would be on a diet of bologna and
> stale, dry bread for many months to come in order to afford the rare 
> specimen
> that we were purchasing.
>
> Then, as luck would have it, Dr. Ehlmann released yet another fine and 
> precious
> specimen from that most wondrous of collections of Texas meteorites, the 
> Monnig
> Collection.
>
> Having learned my lesson several years back about rare specimens not 
> lasting
> long on the open market, I (with Kathy's gracious permission and in 
> collusion)
> decided to bite the bullet and acquire that next expensive rarity for our 
> Texas
> collection.
>
> Again, I mentioned to our favorite dealer that we would probably have to 
> go on
> "half rations" of our bologna and dry bread diet in order to survive our 
> decision
> to keep our Texas Collection as our foremost consideration. (The kids 
> starved
> years ago early in our collection process. Still feel bad about that, but 
> we must let
> bygones be bygones. Water under the bridge, as it were.)
>
> Imagine our surprise when the specimen arrived and in the box were not 
> only
> the rare meteorite and its documentation but also a huge stack of current 
> food
> coupons. Now we can have cheese and mayonnaise on our bologna sandwiches.
> And there were coupons for burritos, for Pillsbury dinner rolls, for 
> Pillsbury frozen
> cookies, for Red Baron French Bread Paninis, for Chef Boyardee ravioli and
> beefaroni as well as a variety of "Forkables", coupons for juices, 
> potpies, and
> Ball Park Franks. And the list could go on and on. We'll eat like kings 
> and queens
> this winter and have our meteorites, too. What more could poor folks ask?
>
> Now I ask you, is there a finer, more generous meteorite dealer on this 
> planet, or
> any other planet that we know about? I think not. Without mentioning 
> specific names,
> can you even in your wildest dreams imagine a Farmer, a Blood, or a 
> Cottingham
> helping to feed their hungry customers in these dire times? (I lied about 
> not mentioning
> names.) Again, not damned likely.
>
> And so, with tongue firmly planted in cheek, I nominate Ms. Anne Black as 
> the most
> humane and thoughtful of existing Meteorite Dealers. I ask that the powers 
> that be
> (Mr. Bostick, et al, if memory serves) initiate and produce an award to be 
> presented
> at the Tucson Auction/ Awards Ceremony this coming year for "The Most 
> Generous
> and Caring Meteorite Dealer Known to Mankind".
>
> Best regards to all,
>
> Jerry Wallace
> Odessa, Texas
>
>
> P.S. to Mr. Mike Farmer... Please read and understand the above letter in 
> the spirit
> in which it was written, an attempt at humor, and don't get all warped out 
> of shape
> just because I mentioned your name. You, Mr. Blood and Mr. Cottingham are 
> all
> fine dealers deserving of recognition as well. I have been a customer of 
> all of you
> over the years but none of you have ever helped feed me when I made 
> extravagant
> purchases from you. Thanks, jw.
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 


From bandk at chorus.net  Sat Oct 25 22:47:49 2008
From: bandk at chorus.net (Kirk Jenks)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:47:49 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Member Having Problems Posting
References: <000801c93713$f5b50f80$4564fea9@TITAN>
Message-ID: <015701c93715$3e0ba040$dfd20b45@owner55652f88b>

I have had the same trouble. Try posting to the list off of an old received 
message from the list----that should work. I had the very same problem.
                           Kirk........:-)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:38 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Member Having Problems Posting


> G'Day List
> It has been brought to my attention that Greg Catterton has been having
> problems posting to the met list. He seems to receive email, but cannot
> post. So, I am acting on his behalf to try and resolve the problem.
>
> I would really appreciate some help on this issue or at least someone to
> contact in regards to the problem.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> John L. Cabassi
> IMCA #2125
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


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From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 26 00:17:44 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:17:44 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Member Having Problems Posting
In-Reply-To: <015701c93715$3e0ba040$dfd20b45@owner55652f88b>
References: <000801c93713$f5b50f80$4564fea9@TITAN>
	<015701c93715$3e0ba040$dfd20b45@owner55652f88b>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W30F6E76C203DCB65556DBEF8250@phx.gbl>



The most common cause has been not formatting your post in "plain text". 

"Rich text" never seems to make it.

Cheers,
Pete


> From: bandk at chorus.net
> To: John at Cabassi.net; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:47:49 -0500
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Member Having Problems Posting
>
> I have had the same trouble. Try posting to the list off of an old received
> message from the list----that should work. I had the very same problem.
> Kirk........:-)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John.L.Cabassi" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:38 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Member Having Problems Posting
>
>
>> G'Day List
>> It has been brought to my attention that Greg Catterton has been having
>> problems posting to the met list. He seems to receive email, but cannot
>> post. So, I am acting on his behalf to try and resolve the problem.
>>
>> I would really appreciate some help on this issue or at least someone to
>> contact in regards to the problem.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> John L. Cabassi
>> IMCA #2125
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>
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>
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From dmerchan at rochester.rr.com  Sun Oct 26 01:41:41 2008
From: dmerchan at rochester.rr.com (Don Merchant)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:41:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions on EBay ending this evening
Message-ID: <001001c9372d$85ffce40$6401a8c0@donaldmerchant>

Hi List. I have some unique rare auctions ending this evening that may 
interest some of you.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/emflocater

Thank you and have a great week ahead!
Sincerely
Don Merchant
IMCA #0960 


From bandk at chorus.net  Sun Oct 26 02:43:14 2008
From: bandk at chorus.net (Kirk Jenks)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:43:14 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] test delete
Message-ID: <030801c93736$20e01d90$dfd20b45@owner55652f88b>

test

From bandk at chorus.net  Sun Oct 26 02:44:15 2008
From: bandk at chorus.net (Kirk Jenks)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:44:15 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] test delete
References: <030801c93736$20e01d90$dfd20b45@owner55652f88b>
Message-ID: <031901c93736$45694ba0$dfd20b45@owner55652f88b>

Worked for me! Thanks Steve!
                  Kirk.....
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirk Jenks" <bandk at chorus.net>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:43 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] test delete


> test
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From bandk at chorus.net  Sun Oct 26 02:46:31 2008
From: bandk at chorus.net (Kirk Jenks)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:46:31 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] test delete
Message-ID: <034f01c93736$9650a900$dfd20b45@owner55652f88b>

test delete

From axelsson at acc.umu.se  Sun Oct 26 07:30:07 2008
From: axelsson at acc.umu.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Axelsson?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:30:07 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Updates to the Muonionalusta homepage (second try)
Message-ID: <490454BF.7030700@acc.umu.se>

Hi list!

We have another guy here in Sweden with problem to post so I'm relaying 
this message from Thomas ?sterberg.

I might have an idea on what the problem is so I'm going to send this 
mail twice and I suspect that the first one will disappear. Sorry if you 
see this twice.

Okay, this is the second mail as the first one hasn't turned up yet, at 
least not for me. I suspect that the problem is when people sends 
"Multipart" mail, one text copy and one formatted in HTML in the same mail.

Anyone who wants to know what you are sending, just send me a mail and I 
will tell you.

For reference, Thomas ?sterberg is using Microsoft Outlook, I'm using 
Mozilla Thunderbird in Linux. ( http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/ )

G?ran Axelsson

From: Thomas ?sterberg
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 4:28 PM
Subject: Updated Muonionalusta homepage

Dear List Members,
 
I would like to notify you about a recent update of our Muonionalusta 
homepage. Among other new pictures, some of the 1185 Kg Muonionalusta 
meteorite, found in June 2008, are now added to the homepage!
 
Please take a look!
 
 www.muonionalustameteorites.com
 
See you in Munich next week!
 
Thomas ?sterberg   Daniel Svensson
 

From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Sun Oct 26 07:36:19 2008
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:36:19 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending in a few hours
Message-ID: <871799a20810260436x6b0ab21cvf00b17c78a838d56@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have 30 ebay auctions ending in a few hours:

historic meteorites, great NWA's, and real gem quality LDG (not chipped and

legally exported by a German team many years ago)


 http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9


Thank you,
Peter

From albireo3000 at yahoo.es  Sun Oct 26 08:05:33 2008
From: albireo3000 at yahoo.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Francisco_Oca=F1a?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:05:33 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dimethylglyoxime powder for nickel testing
In-Reply-To: <000901c92c80$748e2b00$4564fea9@TITAN>
References: <000901c92c80$748e2b00$4564fea9@TITAN>
Message-ID: <49045D0D.4070408@yahoo.es>

I have recently used DMG and nickel allergy test (from Dermadoctor) with 
success, even in low metal Chrondrites.

I was supposed to use 99,9% denatured alcohol, but 96% was Ok and a lot 
cheaper. Instead muriatic acid I use acetic (vinegar) acid, with good 
results (even vinegar worked fine).

And ...of course selfmade test was 50 times cheaper than pre-made nickel 
tests.

My 2 cents,

Paco Oca?a
Madrid, Spain

John.L.Cabassi escribi?:
> G'Day List
> A while back some members were interested in DMG. A good friend of 
> mine informed me that he had excess, so if anybody is still 
> interested, you can email me off-list and I will forward you his email 
> address and you can deal with him directly.
>
> Quote:
> "I have quite a bit of DMG I bought not realizing how far a little 
> will go. So I am offering some of my surplus for those who wish to 
> make their own nickel test kits. I will measure them out in 2 gram 
> packets of DMG powder, which will make 200ml of DMG solution. Just 
> dissolve the DMG powder in 200ml of denatured alcohol, available in 
> hardware stores. The hydrochloric acid needed to ionize the nickel in 
> stone meteorites is also available in hardware stores as muriatic or 
> pool acid, or in pool stores. And the ammonium hydroxide can be 
> purchased in any grocery store, or retail store. This will save you a 
> lot of money over buying pre-made nickel test kits. I will write up an 
> instructional paper to include with the DMG powder packets"
>
> Thanks for your time.
> Cheers, Johnno
>



From marie.m.osterberg at telia.com  Sun Oct 26 09:56:26 2008
From: marie.m.osterberg at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_=D6sterberg?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:56:26 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test
Message-ID: <2CC36696082442308C3EBC80B3561C32@thomaslemjmqar>

Testmail without HTML copy. Please delete!

Thomas ?sterberg 


From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Sun Oct 26 11:31:19 2008
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (Meteorite-Recon.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:31:19 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] 5.6kg sculpted Sikhote individual,
	847g Seymchan pallasite - AD
Message-ID: <16588220.373821225035079929.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>

Ladies and gentlemen,

Due to recent upgrades I will part with two centerpieces from my personal collection. Its my pleasure to offer them here.

The first specimen is a meteoritic iron of superior quality and an awe inspiring display piece. For sale is a heavily sculpted Sikhote Alin individual of 5.6kg (5,690g). The iron has roughly the shape of an igloo with a oval base dented with large flat regmaglypts and a hemispherical body displaying much smaller but deeper regmaglypts. The specimen shows a plethora of melt features, is fully fusion crusted and covered with countless melt rims and delicate flow lines. This is a true museum specimen once purchased directly from the Fersman Mineralogical Museum at the Russian Acdemy of Sciences in Moscow. Comes with the original certificate signed by the curator of the Fersman Mineralogical Museum: 6950 $

The second specimen is a 847g pallasite fullslice of the Seymchan meteorite. This is not one of the popular credit card thin collector style slices, but a thick and heavy 8mm quality as you fill find it in museum collections.  Durable and almost indistructable it will likely survive following generations of collectors in its pristine state. When I purchased this specimen I selected it among others because it demonstrated perfectly the transition from the iron phase to the pallasite phase. The specimen shows grouplets of olivine crystals enclosed like gemstones by an octahedral matrix. 

Unlike the common market quality the olivines are not oxidized black but of a greenish yellow color, a delight to view in daylight and under the microscope. Large and beautiful display specimen: 2150 $

For list members I will ship these treasures via express courier, fully insured and registered  o n  m y  o w n  c o s t s .  Delivery guaranteed withing three workdays. This is a 150$ service to the US, but I rather play safe on these irreplacable specimens. The bad news is, I won't be able to send any food coupons along. 

And there is another specimen I'd like to part with, in order to make room for an individual of this location: for sale is a a 189g fullslice of Glorieta Mountain. This specimen was cut from the new main mass found by M. Miller. Polished and etched on one side. Outstanding reference specimen: 540 $

I am looking forward to send photos and answer your questions. 

Kind regards

Svend Buhl

www.meteorite-recon.com

-- 
www.meteorite-recon.com

From jcomet2 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 26 13:12:03 2008
From: jcomet2 at comcast.net (jcomet2 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:12:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list] TEST
Message-ID: <2071407470.1736441225041123856.JavaMail.root@sz0080a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>


Test - please delete

Jerry Armstrong
IMCA #5151


From jkg2 at cox.net  Sun Oct 26 13:16:08 2008
From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:16:08 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] -- SPAM --  Member Having Problems Posting
In-Reply-To: <000801c93713$f5b50f80$4564fea9@TITAN>
References: <000801c93713$f5b50f80$4564fea9@TITAN>
Message-ID: <20081026171611.GVQQ6175.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

If you check back in the List Archives, you will find that there have 
been several people who have problems sending and/or receiving mail 
to/from the Met List.
Several weeks ago, I noticed that mail from the List was getting 
sporadic.  Sometimes, I wouldn't receive mail for two or three days 
only to have it all show up several days later.  Many emails that I 
posted to the List showed up in the Archives but I never received a 
copy in my Inbox.  Bob Holmes and I found that we both had the same 
issues.  After comparing notes, we discovered that the latest episode 
of no mail received happened to both of us on the same day at the 
same hour. Since we've been friends for many years, we knew that we 
were both customers of the server giant COX.net.  Both of us made 
several phone calls to our server but got no results.  Bob signed up 
with an email account supplied by a friends website and I signed up a 
gmail account as suggested by Art.  We both now receive Met List 
posting regularly and on time.  My old COX account will now 
sporadically send me mail for the list, but it is all marked spam.

The only conclusion we could come to was that the problem originated 
with COX and not with Art's server.  I know in the past that many of 
you who were with Comcast and Aol has the same frustrating 
problems.  I my humble opinion, the problem is caused by servers 
installing software to automate more processes that presort mail 
looking for SPAM or junk mail.

Good luck fixing your problem. My faith in our "high tech" world is 
fading rapidly.

Best,

John Gwilliam

At 07:38 PM 10/25/2008, John.L.Cabassi wrote:
>G'Day List
>It has been brought to my attention that Greg Catterton has been 
>having problems posting to the met list. He seems to receive email, 
>but cannot post. So, I am acting on his behalf to try and resolve the problem.
>
>I would really appreciate some help on this issue or at least 
>someone to contact in regards to the problem.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>John L. Cabassi
>IMCA #2125
>______________________________________________
>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>Meteorite-list mailing list
>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

John Gwilliam

Too many people were born on third base
and go through life thinking they hit a triple. 


From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 26 13:35:27 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:35:27 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] -- SPAM --  Member Having Problems Posting
In-Reply-To: <20081026171611.GVQQ6175.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <000801c93713$f5b50f80$4564fea9@TITAN>
	<20081026171611.GVQQ6175.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W31F28D571A6ED452DD5055F8250@phx.gbl>



Hi John and All,

You wrote: 
>>the problem is caused by servers installing software to automate more processes that presort mail looking for SPAM or junk mail."

That is easy enough to fix, too.
Check your Junk Mail, and anything there that shouldn't be can be highlighted and marked: NOT JUNK (or similar). 
That would keep List mail out of there in the future.

Cheers,
Pete




> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:16:08 -0700
> To: John at Cabassi.net; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> From: jkg2 at cox.net
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] -- SPAM -- Member Having Problems Posting
>
> If you check back in the List Archives, you will find that there have
> been several people who have problems sending and/or receiving mail
> to/from the Met List.
> Several weeks ago, I noticed that mail from the List was getting
> sporadic. Sometimes, I wouldn't receive mail for two or three days
> only to have it all show up several days later. Many emails that I
> posted to the List showed up in the Archives but I never received a
> copy in my Inbox. Bob Holmes and I found that we both had the same
> issues. After comparing notes, we discovered that the latest episode
> of no mail received happened to both of us on the same day at the
> same hour. Since we've been friends for many years, we knew that we
> were both customers of the server giant COX.net. Both of us made
> several phone calls to our server but got no results. Bob signed up
> with an email account supplied by a friends website and I signed up a
> gmail account as suggested by Art. We both now receive Met List
> posting regularly and on time. My old COX account will now
> sporadically send me mail for the list, but it is all marked spam.
>
> The only conclusion we could come to was that the problem originated
> with COX and not with Art's server. I know in the past that many of
> you who were with Comcast and Aol has the same frustrating
> problems. I my humble opinion, the problem is caused by servers
> installing software to automate more processes that presort mail
> looking for SPAM or junk mail.
>
> Good luck fixing your problem. My faith in our "high tech" world is
> fading rapidly.
>
> Best,
>
> John Gwilliam
>
> At 07:38 PM 10/25/2008, John.L.Cabassi wrote:
>>G'Day List
>>It has been brought to my attention that Greg Catterton has been
>>having problems posting to the met list. He seems to receive email,
>>but cannot post. So, I am acting on his behalf to try and resolve the problem.
>>
>>I would really appreciate some help on this issue or at least
>>someone to contact in regards to the problem.
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>John L. Cabassi
>>IMCA #2125
>>______________________________________________
>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>Meteorite-list mailing list
>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> John Gwilliam
>
> Too many people were born on third base
> and go through life thinking they hit a triple.
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

_________________________________________________________________


From John at Cabassi.net  Sun Oct 26 14:36:54 2008
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:36:54 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] -- SPAM --  Member Having Problems Posting
References: <000801c93713$f5b50f80$4564fea9@TITAN>
	<20081026171611.GVQQ6175.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <004401c93799$d4a30ff0$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day List
I appreciate everyone's input on this problem. One thing that I have noticed 
recently is that I receive posts through my email and normally after reading 
them, I delete them. Then I go to the met list site to read some lengthy 
posts or check on a sale that somebody has posted. But when I get to the 
list site, 40% of them that I receive on any particular day does not show up 
on the list site.  I use RoadRunner and don't have a problem with receiving 
email from the list, but I was just wondering if people are having the same 
problem on the met list site. I received 9 emails in regards to this, only 4 
show up on the met list site even though they were sent to the met list 
site.

Cheers
John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Gwilliam" <jkg2 at cox.net>
To: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: -- SPAM -- [meteorite-list] Member Having Problems Posting


> If you check back in the List Archives, you will find that there have been 
> several people who have problems sending and/or receiving mail to/from the 
> Met List.
> Several weeks ago, I noticed that mail from the List was getting sporadic. 
> Sometimes, I wouldn't receive mail for two or three days only to have it 
> all show up several days later.  Many emails that I posted to the List 
> showed up in the Archives but I never received a copy in my Inbox.  Bob 
> Holmes and I found that we both had the same issues.  After comparing 
> notes, we discovered that the latest episode of no mail received happened 
> to both of us on the same day at the same hour. Since we've been friends 
> for many years, we knew that we were both customers of the server giant 
> COX.net.  Both of us made several phone calls to our server but got no 
> results.  Bob signed up with an email account supplied by a friends 
> website and I signed up a gmail account as suggested by Art.  We both now 
> receive Met List posting regularly and on time.  My old COX account will 
> now sporadically send me mail for the list, but it is all marked spam.
>
> The only conclusion we could come to was that the problem originated with 
> COX and not with Art's server.  I know in the past that many of you who 
> were with Comcast and Aol has the same frustrating problems.  I my humble 
> opinion, the problem is caused by servers installing software to automate 
> more processes that presort mail looking for SPAM or junk mail.
>
> Good luck fixing your problem. My faith in our "high tech" world is fading 
> rapidly.
>
> Best,
>
> John Gwilliam
>
> At 07:38 PM 10/25/2008, John.L.Cabassi wrote:
>>G'Day List
>>It has been brought to my attention that Greg Catterton has been having 
>>problems posting to the met list. He seems to receive email, but cannot 
>>post. So, I am acting on his behalf to try and resolve the problem.
>>
>>I would really appreciate some help on this issue or at least someone to 
>>contact in regards to the problem.
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>John L. Cabassi
>>IMCA #2125
>>______________________________________________
>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>Meteorite-list mailing list
>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> John Gwilliam
>
> Too many people were born on third base
> and go through life thinking they hit a triple. 


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Sun Oct 26 16:54:09 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:54:09 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Must See AUCTION HIGHLIGHTS! Some Great Pieces,
	plus 30% off sale!
Message-ID: <20081026205440.69ACD10536@mailwash5.pair.com>





Hello,

Really, really great meteorite specimens up for grabs! Also, I am running a
30% off sale on most store items!


MAIN STORE LINK:
http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store?


HIGHLIGHTS:

(NEW), NWA 5054, L5, 77.59 gram, One of my last specimens

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265975268

(New) NWA 4881, Lunar Feldspathic Specimen, getting down to my last ones!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265960151

A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 314g. an amazing COMPLETE SLICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200266138856

DAVY (a), Texas, L4, 352 gram end piece!, A Big, Big Specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200266016921

Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 8.44g, A large slice

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200266021330

Super Rare GEORGETOWN, Australia, 12.21 gram, my LAST Auction on this one!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200266002575

Super Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 18.56g, a real winner!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200266199124

(NEW), LA LUZ, New Mexico, H4, LTKW, 7.67g, Only 600 grams released of this
NM Meteorite! Down to my last few!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265961435

CANYON DIABLO Individual, 702 gram, this is a large one started out at 0.99
cents!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265972373

Large Specimen of LIBYAN DESERT GLASS, 491g, also started out at 0.99 cents!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265975257

Rare Fall From Turkmenistan, DASHOGUZ, 0.46g, only piece I have!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265975259

Seldom Available MILLS, NM., H6, 24.7 gram, a very large piece of a pretty
rare meteorite.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265975273

Super Rare HAMLET, Indiana, LL4 Fall, 0.13g, pretty sure this is my last one
to offer!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265975269

(NEW) NWA 4972, MAIN MASS, L4-5, 3,378 gram, LARGE, LARGE Specimen! A Must
See

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200266535436

BRENHAM, Siderite From Kansas, 84.20 gram, a real beautiful part slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265980818

(NEW), NWA 4971, H5, Complete Slice, 256g, A very large slice! Still way too
cheap!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265975275

Rare GLORIETA MOUNTAIN, Top Slice, 9.57g, nice part slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265980824

(New) Martian Shergottite, NWA 4925, "Mars", getting low on these!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265966420

Rare Fall From Chad, DJERMAIA, H, Xenolithic, only specimen I have!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200266532675

Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 64.64 gram, one of my last specimens.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200266019169

Awesome NWA 869, L4-6, Individual, 14.02g, nice specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265959677

Beautiful ENSISHEIM Postcard ! L@@K!, no bids at the moment!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265958990

Seldom Available TRYON, Nebraska, 2.34 gram.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265980828

Classic GOLD BASIN, Arizona, L4, 38.75 gram, getting harder to find, nice
specimen!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265980834

Seldom Available TWODOT, Montana, H6, 1.78g, rare enough!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265980838

A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 96g, the rare one!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265994199

A Classic, OZONA, Texas, H6 Chondrite, 9.52g, almost out!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265997126

Rare Fall From 1897, Pakistan, GAMBAT, L6, Only One I have of This Rarity!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200266017373

Beautiful GIBEON, IVA Iron Specimen, 87.67g, Check this one out! A deal at
the moment!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200266016109

Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 2.86g, down to my last!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200265999080


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham




























From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 17:04:05 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:04:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) 8 UNCLASSIFIEDS AND GLORIETTA FORSALE
Message-ID: <47039.63100.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I have 8 unclassified stone chondrites and 17. 8 gram grams of glorietta siderites forsale.The unc's are:156.3,11.5,102.6,213.8,148.7,104.6,307.5 and 132.7 grams.They are all individuals.I have pics of all of them upon request.Payment for me is paypal.$475 for all and this also includes shipping.My final email on these because these are my last to sell,so please no email to the list or me about spam or ad's per week.This is a new week.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 19:20:57 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:20:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Newbie Meteorite Hunter Question - For the Vets,
	Pros and Finder-Extraordinaires.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.33.1225036863.93732.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <976470.26105.qm@web58406.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Ladies, Gentlemen, and assorted fair listoids!

I have a couple of burning questions for the veteran meteorite hunters who go out into the field.

First, the setup :

I was doing a bit of meteorite web-surfing today and I ended up on Svend Buhl's website.  His articles and 
photos that document his expeditions are fascinating to read.  Reading them, got me daydreaming about
doing some meteorite hunting myself.  Since the wife and I are only months away from hitting the road
in our RV, I plan on doing some meteorite hunting while we are out boondocking in remote locations.

Any meteorite hunting I do will be on US or Canadian soil, since we don't plan on doing any international
travel.

So, now my burning questions :

1) What are the US federal laws regarding finding and removing meteorites from federally-administered
lands?  What about state and national parks?  Are Bureau of Land Management (BLM) areas any 
different from state and national parks in regarding to meteorite hunting.

2) Suppose I am out stargazing in the middle of nowhere, like out in Death Valley away from roads and
civilization.  And then suppose I get lucky and find a meteorite on land that I determine is state or
federally-owned.  What is my next step?  What do I do?  Can I remove the meteorite, after documenting
it in-situ properly?  And then where do I take it so it can be added to science without getting myself
arrested and/or fined?

3) Suppose I find a meteorite located on remote land that is owned by some large holding company or
corporation?  Let's say that I find a meteorite on property owned by one of the big natural gas companies.
What do I do then?  Do I document it and then contact the company that owns the land?  Then what?
Do I just surrender it to them, or do we work out some kind of deal where I can donate it and get a slice
or endcut for my trouble?

4) Is there any kind of pass or permit that I can acquire from the states or federal government that will
allow me to keep meteorites (or minerals) that I find on state/federal land?

5) Do any of these rules vary for different types of finds? - i.e., minerals, rocks, fossils, relics, precious
stones/metals, etc.

Thanks in advance!

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



      

From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 19:40:19 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:40:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] testing - delete
Message-ID: <334089.26860.qm@web45605.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I like meteorites, yes I do... they are yummy with BBQ.


      


From erwin_r_c at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 19:48:20 2008
From: erwin_r_c at yahoo.com (Erwin Rivera)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:48:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: MY TWO BIGGEST CARANCAS METEORITE SAMPLES
	114gr AND 340gr INCREDIBLE LOW PRICE
In-Reply-To: <20081026205440.69ACD10536@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <513047.70811.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello dear friends,much of you have already bought some carancas sample from me , now I'm selling my two biggest CARANCAS meteorite samples at an incredible low price

The first one is a 340 gr piece with about 5% crust, you can see pictures on the next link

http://www.publiplayer.com/bolivia-minerals/carancas350/car350.htm

Price for this piece is 5000$us

The second is a 114gr 30-40% crust, probably the best big carancas piece, this piece is for sale on my ebay store for 12.000 or best offer. I will sell it for 4500 $us buying outside ebay since comissions there are very high. pictures on the next link.

http://www.publiplayer.com/bolivia-minerals/met115.htm

ebay link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/TOP-MUSEUM-QUALITY-CARANCAS-CHONDRITE-METEORITE-114g_W0QQitemZ170230880737QQcmdZViewItem

My Carancas travel pictures
http://www.publiplayer.com/bolivia-minerals/carancas.htm

Or both pieces for 8000 $us

(copy complete link to your browser)
Best regards
Erwin Rivera

www.bolivia-minerals.com
ebay:bolivia-minerals

From jeffkrosschell at comcast.net  Sun Oct 26 19:54:43 2008
From: jeffkrosschell at comcast.net (Jeff Krosschell)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:54:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Many great 99 cent auctions ending!
Message-ID: <235F2A06C8254471A6626FB14093DEC4@JeffVistaPC>


Hello list,

I have some great deals ending in the next hour.  All 48 auctions have been
listed at .99 cents.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/kalani_oftheheavens 

Regards,
Jeff Krosschell
IMCA #0146


From erwin_r_c at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 20:28:01 2008
From: erwin_r_c at yahoo.com (Erwin Rivera)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:28:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: 114gr AND 340gr CARANCAS METEORITE SAMPLES
	INCREDIBLE LOW PRICE
In-Reply-To: <513047.70811.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <228899.1612.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com>



Hello dear friends,much of you have already bought some carancas sample from me , now I'm selling my two biggest CARANCAS meteorite samples at an incredible low price

The first one is a 340 gr piece with about 5% crust, you can see pictures on the next link

http://www.publiplayer.com/bolivia-minerals/carancas350/car350.htm

Price for this piece is 5000$us

The second is a 114gr 30-40% crust, probably the best big carancas piece, this piece is for sale on my ebay store for 12.000 or best offer. I will sell it for 4500 $us buying outside ebay since comissions there are very high. pictures on the next link.

http://www.publiplayer.com/bolivia-minerals/met115.htm

ebay link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/TOP-MUSEUM-QUALITY-CARANCAS-CHONDRITE-METEORITE-114g_W0QQitemZ170230880737QQcmdZViewItem

My Carancas travel pictures
http://www.publiplayer.com/bolivia-minerals/carancas.htm

Or both pieces for 8000 $us

(copy complete link to your browser)
Best regards
Erwin Rivera

www.bolivia-minerals.com
ebay:bolivia-minerals

From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 26 21:08:23 2008
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:08:23 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A newbie question on Nantans
Message-ID: <COL108-W2635418E55877A445D7A389B240@phx.gbl>



Hi,
If people saw the Nantan meteorite fall in 1516, why is this referred as a find in 1958 in the Met Bull database? This may have been discussed earlier but I can't find it.
Thanks! Carl

_________________________________________________________________
Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive.
http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008

From jkg2 at cox.net  Sun Oct 26 21:44:05 2008
From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:44:05 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] -- SPAM --  Member Having Problems Posting
In-Reply-To: <BAY141-W31F28D571A6ED452DD5055F8250@phx.gbl>
References: <000801c93713$f5b50f80$4564fea9@TITAN>
	<20081026171611.GVQQ6175.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
	<BAY141-W31F28D571A6ED452DD5055F8250@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20081027014409.RRZP6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Thanks for the tip.  Bob Holmes and I did just that with no 
results.  What we found out was that our server (COX) required we 
send a copy of an email from EVERY MET LIST MEMBER and tell the 
server that it wasn't SPAM.  Evidently, every Met List email is 
considered separate from the List itself.  I just don't have the 
patience to spend hours and hour trying to fix a problem that didn't 
exist last year or even ten years ago. It was easier for me to 
subscribe to the Met List with a Gmail account.  It, by the way, has 
worked fast and flawless.

John

At 10:35 AM 10/26/2008, Pete Pete wrote:


>Hi John and All,
>
>You wrote:
> >>the problem is caused by servers installing software to automate 
> more processes that presort mail looking for SPAM or junk mail."
>
>That is easy enough to fix, too.
>Check your Junk Mail, and anything there that shouldn't be can be 
>highlighted and marked: NOT JUNK (or similar).
>That would keep List mail out of there in the future.
>
>Cheers,
>Pete
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:16:08 -0700
> > To: John at Cabassi.net; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > From: jkg2 at cox.net
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] -- SPAM -- Member Having Problems Posting
> >
> > If you check back in the List Archives, you will find that there have
> > been several people who have problems sending and/or receiving mail
> > to/from the Met List.
> > Several weeks ago, I noticed that mail from the List was getting
> > sporadic. Sometimes, I wouldn't receive mail for two or three days
> > only to have it all show up several days later. Many emails that I
> > posted to the List showed up in the Archives but I never received a
> > copy in my Inbox. Bob Holmes and I found that we both had the same
> > issues. After comparing notes, we discovered that the latest episode
> > of no mail received happened to both of us on the same day at the
> > same hour. Since we've been friends for many years, we knew that we
> > were both customers of the server giant COX.net. Both of us made
> > several phone calls to our server but got no results. Bob signed up
> > with an email account supplied by a friends website and I signed up a
> > gmail account as suggested by Art. We both now receive Met List
> > posting regularly and on time. My old COX account will now
> > sporadically send me mail for the list, but it is all marked spam.
> >
> > The only conclusion we could come to was that the problem originated
> > with COX and not with Art's server. I know in the past that many of
> > you who were with Comcast and Aol has the same frustrating
> > problems. I my humble opinion, the problem is caused by servers
> > installing software to automate more processes that presort mail
> > looking for SPAM or junk mail.
> >
> > Good luck fixing your problem. My faith in our "high tech" world is
> > fading rapidly.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > John Gwilliam
> >
> > At 07:38 PM 10/25/2008, John.L.Cabassi wrote:
> >>G'Day List
> >>It has been brought to my attention that Greg Catterton has been
> >>having problems posting to the met list. He seems to receive email,
> >>but cannot post. So, I am acting on his behalf to try and resolve 
> the problem.
> >>
> >>I would really appreciate some help on this issue or at least
> >>someone to contact in regards to the problem.
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance,
> >>John L. Cabassi
> >>IMCA #2125
> >>______________________________________________
> >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >>Meteorite-list mailing list
> >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> > John Gwilliam
> >
> > Too many people were born on third base
> > and go through life thinking they hit a triple.
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>_________________________________________________________________

John Gwilliam

Too many people were born on third base
and go through life thinking they hit a triple. 


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 23:32:13 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:32:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad? new forum
Message-ID: <497122.91725.qm@web45602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all! I can post again!! happy days.

I started a new forum. Please, if you have the time, stop by and check it out. 
If you like what you see, feel free to join - I can always use more input to it.
It is a new site but already has a great member list of really nice people.
It is run and moderated by 3 members of the IMCA.

I have alot of info (it may be pretty basic to some) but it is growing and with time I hope it will be a nice site for meteorite information.

Here is the link to it:
http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/index.php?mforum=wwwmeteoritesto

I hope to see some of you all on there - I would really like some of the more experienced collectors and dealers to offer input to it.

I have a section for ebay ads, feel free to list as much as you want. I currently have 14 members and I am sure you would get a few sales from them.
I also have several samples that I have had tested and I have uploaded some real nice full size pictures from the testing.

I am currently having an LL3 sample tested that looks to have mesosiderite inclusions, so you will be able to see the status of the testing on that.

I am also starting a nice database on meteorites with info, video, pictures and whatever else I can gather - if you have a favorite meteorite, please feel free to add it.

That said, please tkae the time to visit and join - even if you rarely post - I would still like to have the members from here join as I value your knowledge and input.


Best to all,

Greg Catterton




      


From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Oct 27 05:27:20 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 27 Oct 2008 09:27:20 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] A newbie question on Nantans
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000A70000352D@paulinet.de>

Carl inquired:

"If people saw the Nantan meteorite fall in 1516, why is
this referred as a find in 1958 in the Met Bull database?"


Hello Carl and List,

It is referred to as a find because, even though Chinese people saw this
meteor shower, no one really picked up any pieces (as far as we know).

'During summertime in May of Jiajing 11th year, stars fell from the northwest
direction, five to six fold long, waving like snakes and dragons. They were as
bright as lightning and disappeared in a second'.

Then, in 1985, when China desperately needed a lot of steel, the government
wanted their people to look everywhere for iron ores. Chinese households were
even encouraged to smelt cooking pots and other metallic gadgets in order to
increase the steel production.

People in the Nantan area found metallic objects that were rich in nickel-iron
(FeNi) but these proved to be unsuitable - famers' attempts to smelt the "irons"
failed and Chinese scientists who examined these chunks of iron soon realized
the true nature of these metallic objects.


Best from Germany,

Bernd


From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 05:36:02 2008
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:36:02 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) 8 UNCLASSIFIEDS AND GLORIETTA FORSALE
In-Reply-To: <47039.63100.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <47039.63100.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <93aaac890810270236j7567817cv77c071e7e7a0fe90@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Steve,
When you bought those Glorietta's, they were Taza, if I'm not mistaken.
At least, the photo on your micro/macro page two that lists the 12
irons as Glorietta matches the photo from this auction...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=170268341811

I wonder who bought the other four...?
Regards,
Jason



On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:04 PM, steve arnold
<stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi list.I have 8 unclassified stone chondrites and 17. 8 gram grams of glorietta siderites forsale.The unc's are:156.3,11.5,102.6,213.8,148.7,104.6,307.5 and 132.7 grams.They are all individuals.I have pics of all of them upon request.Payment for me is paypal.$475 for all and this also includes shipping.My final email on these because these are my last to sell,so please no email to the list or me about spam or ad's per week.This is a new week.
>
> Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Oct 27 05:37:28 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 27 Oct 2008 09:37:28 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Nantan Correction
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000009E00003531@paulinet.de>

I wrote: "Then, in 1985, when China desperately needed a lot of steel"

=> 1958 <=

Sorry!

Bernd


From meteorhound at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 06:15:53 2008
From: meteorhound at yahoo.com (Patricia Harris)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:15:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) 8 UNCLASSIFIEDS AND GLORIETTA FORSALE
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890810270236j7567817cv77c071e7e7a0fe90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <633030.23464.qm@web59613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


WOW, Steve what are you doing?



Please explain








--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) 8 UNCLASSIFIEDS AND GLORIETTA FORSALE
> To: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com, "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 9:36 AM
> Hello Steve,
> When you bought those Glorietta's, they were Taza, if
> I'm not mistaken.
> At least, the photo on your micro/macro page two that lists
> the 12
> irons as Glorietta matches the photo from this auction...
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=170268341811
> 
> I wonder who bought the other four...?
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:04 PM, steve arnold
> <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi list.I have 8 unclassified stone chondrites and 17.
> 8 gram grams of glorietta siderites forsale.The unc's
> are:156.3,11.5,102.6,213.8,148.7,104.6,307.5 and 132.7
> grams.They are all individuals.I have pics of all of them
> upon request.Payment for me is paypal.$475 for all and this
> also includes shipping.My final email on these because these
> are my last to sell,so please no email to the list or me
> about spam or ad's per week.This is a new week.
> >
> > Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


      


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 07:20:37 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:20:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] wow what a mistake
Message-ID: <421861.49240.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I must be suffering from no job itis.I really apologize for my gravest of mistakes.The gloriettas are taza.Thanks to jason utas for bringing this up.The freebies I sent out ate TAZA'S ,not gloriettas.If you do not want them,you can send  them back.I would never make a dumb mistake like this,I should know better.Again my sincere apology.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Oct 27 12:59:15 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:59:15 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Samples of these, not soon on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <513047.70811.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <20081026205440.69ACD10536@mailwash5.pair.com>
	<513047.70811.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9psbg45et9o670kpu3p9o5cc7ok5ih09h2@4ax.com>

http://www.livescience.com/space/081027-mm-solar-system-twin.html


Nearby Star Hosts Three-Ring Circus

By Jeanna Bryner, Senior Writer

posted: 27 October 2008 11:00 am ET

A nearby star, visible with the unaided eye, is ringed with two rocky asteroid
belts and an outer icy halo, making it a three-ring cosmic circus. The inner
asteroid belt appears to be a virtual twin to the belt in our solar system.

The presence of the separate rings of material around the nearby star, called
Epsilon Eridani, suggests unseen planets lurk there, where they confine and
shape the rings, say the researchers.

If there were in fact rocky planets within the inner gap between the star and
asteroid belt, the worlds would likely reside within the star's habitable zone
where temperatures would be such that life could survive.

Located 10.5 light-years from Earth in the constellation Eridanus, the star is
the ninth closest to the sun. The sun's three nearest known stars are
gravitationally bound in a system called Alpha Centauri that's located 4.36
light-years away. (A light-year is the distance light travels in one year, or
about 6 trillion miles, or 10 trillion km.)

Epsilon Eridani is slightly smaller and cooler than the sun. And it's also
younger. While the sun is an estimated 4.5 billion years old, Epsilon Eridani
has been around for just 850 million years.

"Studying Epsilon Eridani is like having a time machine to look at our solar
system when it was young," said researcher Massimo Marengo, an astronomer at the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Massachusetts.

Rocky rings

Astronomers had known about the star's outer icy ring, but they were surprised
when NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope revealed two rocky rings between the icy
halo and the star.

The inner asteroid belt looks identical to ours in terms of material, and it
orbits at 3 astronomical units (AU) from Epsilon Eridani ? the same distance
between the sun and the rocky asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. (An
astronomical unit equals the average Earth-sun distance of 93 million miles, or
about 150 million km.)

Epsilon Eridani's second asteroid belt is 20 AU from the star, or about where
Uranus is in relation to our sun, and it is crowded with as much mass as Earth's
moon.

The outer icy ring, previously observed, extends about 35 AU to 100 AU from
Epsilon Eridani and is similar in composition to our Kuiper Belt, a region of
icy objects beyond Neptune. Eridani's outer ring holds about 100 times more
material than ours, however.

New exoplanets?

The rings formed when the system was very young, likely when collisions between
planets and other smaller bodies resulted in small bits and big chunks of debris
that took shape as the asteroid belts and icy ring, the researchers suggest.

And the gaps between these rings were likely shaped by planets whose
gravitational forces could remove any excess material flung from the belts,
while also keeping the shape of the rings. Planets in our solar system exert
similar shaping effects.

"The big planets that are now keeping those gaps are determining the geometry of
the system of rings," Marengo told SPACE.com.

He and his colleagues propose three planets with masses between those of Neptune
and Jupiter could be in orbit about Epsilon Eridani. A Jupiter-mass exoplanet
was detected in 2000 by the radial velocity method in which astronomers look for
wobbling motion of a star due to the gravitational tug of a planet. That planet
is located near the edge of the innermost ring.

A second planet must lurk near the second asteroid belt, and a third at about 35
AU near the inner edge of Epsilon Eridani's Kuiper Belt, the researchers say.
Terrestrial planets could reside inside the innermost asteroid belt as well,
though there currently is no clear indication of that, Marengo said.

From JPBrockets at aol.com  Mon Oct 27 15:38:14 2008
From: JPBrockets at aol.com (JPBrockets at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:38:14 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - A few goodies up for grabs on Ebay
Message-ID: <d17.38dd8b01.363772a6@aol.com>

Dear List Members:

So far I am  offering:

54 gram Tektite
SAU 001 with cut face (great  chondrules)
Gau
NWA 869
Small Henbury
Saratov
Martian NWA 998  fragment

For those interested please take a  look:

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/jpbrockets_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZQQ_
sopZ14

Thank  you for your time.  I may post more in the next week as time  permits.

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From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 17:27:11 2008
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:27:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor 'Fireball' Caught on Video
Message-ID: <630882.25623.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081024-fireball-meteorite.html

Meteor 'Fireball' Caught on Video 
By SPACE.com Staff

posted: 24 October 2008
04:11 pm ET
 

A team of astronomers has caught on video a fiery meteor as it fell toward Earth.

The meteor was spotted by the University of Western Ontario's network of all-sky cameras in southern Ontario that scan the sky for meteors. On Wednesday, Oct. 15 at 5:28 a.m. EDT (0928 GMT) seven of the cameras recorded a bright, slow fireball in the predawn sky.

The astronomers of the University of Western Ontario Meteor Group suspect the fireball broke apart and dropped meteorites in a region north of Guelph, Ontario, Canada, that may total as much as a few hundred grams in mass.

Meteors are fallen debris from a comet or other space rock. As the debris enters the atmosphere, it heats up and produces the brilliant streaks of light we sometimes call shooting stars. Though most meteors are destroyed during this process, some make it to the ground and are known as meteorites.

"This event was a relatively slow fireball that made it far into the Earth's atmosphere," said Phil McCausland, a postdoctoral researcher in planetary science at Western. "Most meteoroids burn up by the time they hit an altitude of 60 or 70 kilometers (37 to 44 miles) from the ground." 

He added, "This one was tracked by our all-sky camera network to have penetrated to an altitude of about 37 kilometers (23 miles) and it slowed down considerably, so there is a possibility that at least one and possibly several small meteorites made it to the ground."

By knowing the trajectory from the camera observations, the researchers can also track backwards to get the orbit of the object before it hit the Earth.

"The meteorite was on a typical Earth-crossing asteroid-type orbit, so we also expect that it is a stony-type meteorite," McCausland said.

In March, the network of all-sky cameras captured video of a meteor falling to Earth that may have crashed in the Parry Sound area of Ontario.




      

From meteorites at optushome.com.au  Mon Oct 27 18:23:22 2008
From: meteorites at optushome.com.au (Norbert & Heike Kammel)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:23:22 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: LOW Aussie Dollar - your gain. Golden October
	Sale!
Message-ID: <49063F5A.8090000@optushome.com.au>

Hello Folks,

This sounds quite crazy, but *_until Oct. 31st_ we are going to sell all 
items on our website marked in US $ in _Aussie Dollars_!* Yes, this is 
an *enormous saving* for you in the States,  Europe and most other 
countries, except Australia, sorry Mate's!

Just now the *exchange rates* are:
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That is for you folks in Europe less than half price!

So what is stopping you? Go, have a browse at  *www.rocksonfire.com*  
and send your orders. First chimed in, first served. And PayPal only!
You can *calculate your shipping cost* by clicking the *Australia Post 
Logo* on our website.
Our apologies to those of you who miss out, because others were faster 
or they didn't read their meteorite list emails.

Let the stampede begin!

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com

From meteorites at optushome.com.au  Mon Oct 27 18:45:37 2008
From: meteorites at optushome.com.au (Norbert & Heike Kammel)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:45:37 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] TEST - ignore
Message-ID: <49064491.7080806@optushome.com.au>



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct 27 19:30:09 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:30:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Closest Planetary System Hosts Two Asteroid Belts
	(Spitzer)
Message-ID: <200810272330.QAA29860@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-197  

Closest Planetary System Hosts Two Asteroid Belts
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
October 27, 2008

New observations from NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope indicate that the
nearest planetary system to our own has two asteroid belts. Our own
solar system has just one.

The star at the center of the nearby system, called Epsilon Eridani, is
a younger, slightly cooler and fainter version of the sun. Previously,
astronomers had uncovered evidence for two possible planets in the
system, and for a broad, outer ring of icy comets similar to our own
Kuiper Belt.

Now, Spitzer has discovered that the system also has dual asteroid
belts. One sits at approximately the same position as the one in our
solar system. The second, denser belt, most likely also populated by
asteroids, lies between the first belt and the comet ring. The presence
of the asteroid belts implies additional planets in the Epsilon Eridani
system.

"This system probably looks a lot like ours did when life first took
root on Earth," said Dana Backman, an astronomer at the SETI Institute,
in Mountain View, Calif., and outreach director for NASA's Sofia
mission. "The main difference we know of so far is that it has an
additional ring of leftover planet construction material." Backman is
lead author of a paper about the findings to appear Jan. 10 in the
Astrophysical Journal.

Asteroid belts are rocky and metallic debris left over from the early
stages of planet formation. Their presence around other stars signals
that rocky planets like Earth could be orbiting in the system's inner
regions, with massive gas planets circling near the belts' rims. In our
own solar system, for example, there is evidence that Jupiter, which
lies just beyond our asteroid belt, caused the asteroid belt to form
long ago by stirring up material that would have otherwise coalesced
into a planet. Nowadays, Jupiter helps keep our asteroid belt confined
to a ring.

Astronomers have detected stars with signs of multiple belts of material
before, but Epsilon Eridani is closer to Earth and more like our sun
overall. It is 10 light-years away, slightly less massive than the sun,
and roughly 800 million years old, or one-fifth the age of the sun.

Because the star is so close and similar to the sun, it is a popular
locale in science fiction. The television series Star Trek and Babylon 5
referenced Epsilon Eridani, and it has been featured in novels by Issac
Asimov and Frank Herbert, among others.

The popular star was also one of the first to be searched for signs of
advanced alien civilizations using radio telescopes in 1960. At that
time, astronomers did not know of the star's young age.

Spitzer observed Epsilon Eridani with both of its infrared cameras and
its infrared spectrometer. When asteroid and comets collide or
evaporate, they release tiny particles of dust that give off heat, which
Spitzer can see. "Because the system is so close to us, Spitzer can
really pick out details in the dust, giving us a good look at the
system's architecture," said co-author Karl Stapelfeldt of NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

The asteroid belts detected by Spitzer orbit at distances of
approximately 3 and 20 astronomical units from the star (an astronomical
unit is the average distance between Earth and the sun). For reference,
our own asteroid belt lies at about 3 astronomical units from the sun,
and Uranus is roughly 19 astronomical units away.

One of the two possible planets previously identified around Epsilon
Eridani, called Epsilon Eridani b, was discovered in 2000. The planet is
thought to orbit at an average distance of 3.4 astronomical units from
the star -- just outside the innermost asteroid belt identified by
Spitzer. This is the first time that an asteroid belt and a planet
beyond our solar system have been found in a similar arrangement as our
asteroid belt and Jupiter.

Some researchers had reported that Epsilon Eridani b orbits in an
exaggerated ellipse ranging between 1 and 5 astronomical units, but this
means the planet would cross, and quickly disrupt, the newfound asteroid
belt. Instead, Backman and colleagues argue that this planet must have a
more circular orbit that keeps it just outside the belt.

The other candidate planet was first proposed in 1998 to explain
lumpiness observed in the star's outer comet ring. It is thought to lie
near the inner edge of the ring, which orbits between 35 and 90
astronomical units from Epsilon Eridani.

The intermediate belt detected by Spitzer suggests that a third planet
could be responsible for creating and shepherding its material. This
planet would orbit at approximately 20 astronomical units and lie
between the other two planets. "Detailed studies of the dust belts in
other planetary systems are telling us a great deal about their complex
structure," said Michael Werner, co-author of the study and project
scientist for Spitzer at JPL. "It seems that no two planetary systems
are alike."

JPL manages the Spitzer mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate,
Washington. Science operations are conducted at the Spitzer Science
Center at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. Caltech
manages JPL for NASA. More information about Spitzer is at
http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/spitzer and http://www.nasa.gov/spitzer .
More information about extrasolar planets and NASA's planet-finding
program is at http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov .

Media contact: Whitney Clavin 818-354-4673
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
whitney.clavin at jpl.nasa.gov

2008-197


From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 27 19:28:57 2008
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:28:57 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A newbie question on Nantans
Message-ID: <COL108-W74CD20D3C732AADD0E310A9B240@phx.gbl>





Hi Bernd and list,

Thank you, Bernd. I understand what you are saying,. Actual recovery of the meteorites determines the date. Thanks also to others that pm'ed me. Carl


Bernd wrote:
"It is referred to as a find because, even though Chinese people saw this
meteor shower, no one really picked up any pieces (as far as we know)."


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From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 27 23:15:04 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:15:04 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor 'Fireball' Caught on Video
Message-ID: <BAY141-W56844E57029C3410A5B339F8270@phx.gbl>




Hi Mike, and List,

Here's another link for this item:  http://aquarid.physics.uwo.ca/2008_oct15.htm

It's not far from my home, so I've been watching that area's media online anxiously for any witnesses seeing the fireball or hearing the booms, or stones on their roofs...nothing!

If you check on the above link you can see on the map that the centre of the large, calculated fall area is near Fergus, Ontario. 
Google Earth shows it to be an agricultural area too big to be properly searched without more info.

Regardless, since today had some sunshine and a day off for me, I drove slowly along the white/light gray gravel back roads looking for something black, and an easy visual scan on the huge, flat fields with binnoculars for black soil turned up from an impact.
Anything that landed will likely never be found.

The reason for this post is to advise the List of another GPS option to add to their gadget box. 
While driving around, I used the "Microsoft Streets and Trips GPS 2008" program and antenna on my laptop to plan my route automatically mark the roads I'd already driven on, so I wasn't wasting effort.
Since the 2009 version was just released, you can get the 2008 box for about $50.00. 

It turns your whole screen into a map. 
Apparently it can be used with Google Earth, too, but I haven't ventured into that yet.
There are lots of extra functions that a small, dashboard GPS device doesn't have, and at a fraction of the price.
It gets high ratings on customer feedback online, and personally I have found it flawless for keeping the satellite signals acquired continuously.
It is a laptop road map, so it won't have the obvious advantages of a proper portable GPS unit.


A tool to consider.

Cheers,
Pete





----------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:27:11 -0700
> From: mpg444 at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor 'Fireball' Caught on Video
> 
> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081024-fireball-meteorite.html
> 
> Meteor 'Fireball' Caught on Video 
> By SPACE.com Staff
> 
> posted: 24 October 2008
> 04:11 pm ET
>  
> 
> A team of astronomers has caught on video a fiery meteor as it fell toward Earth.
> 
> The meteor was spotted by the University of Western Ontario's network of all-sky cameras in southern Ontario that scan the sky for meteors. On Wednesday, Oct. 15 at 5:28 a.m. EDT (0928 GMT) seven of the cameras recorded a bright, slow fireball in the predawn sky.
> 
> The astronomers of the University of Western Ontario Meteor Group suspect the fireball broke apart and dropped meteorites in a region north of Guelph, Ontario, Canada, that may total as much as a few hundred grams in mass.
> 
> Meteors are fallen debris from a comet or other space rock. As the debris enters the atmosphere, it heats up and produces the brilliant streaks of light we sometimes call shooting stars. Though most meteors are destroyed during this process, some make it to the ground and are known as meteorites.
> 
> "This event was a relatively slow fireball that made it far into the Earth's atmosphere," said Phil McCausland, a postdoctoral researcher in planetary science at Western. "Most meteoroids burn up by the time they hit an altitude of 60 or 70 kilometers (37 to 44 miles) from the ground." 
> 
> He added, "This one was tracked by our all-sky camera network to have penetrated to an altitude of about 37 kilometers (23 miles) and it slowed down considerably, so there is a possibility that at least one and possibly several small meteorites made it to the ground."
> 
> By knowing the trajectory from the camera observations, the researchers can also track backwards to get the orbit of the object before it hit the Earth.
> 
> "The meteorite was on a typical Earth-crossing asteroid-type orbit, so we also expect that it is a stony-type meteorite," McCausland said.
> 
> In March, the network of all-sky cameras captured video of a meteor falling to Earth that may have crashed in the Parry Sound area of Ontario.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 23:30:14 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:30:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] This day in meteorite history
Message-ID: <234248.10346.qm@web45613.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The Canon City Meteorite 
On the evening of Oct. 27, 1973, a meteorite hurtled through the sky in Canon City, Colo. It landed on a garage, tearing a six-inch hole in the roof and leaving a two-inch gash in the garage?s cement floor. The meteorite, which weighed 1.4 kg at the time of impact, was classified as a chondrite, a stony meteorite that is the most common type to hit Earth. According to scientist Glenn Huss, who was director of the American Meteorological Laboratory at the time, the Canon City meteorite originated 60 million miles away, in an asteroid belt. 

At the time, it was only the third meteorite in Colorado to be discovered shortly after landfall. Upon impact, the meteorite broke into four large pieces and more than 50 fragments. A 2001 report named the Canon City meteorite as only one of 35 meteorites to hit a man-made structure in the United States. 


      


From freequarks at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 09:14:53 2008
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:14:53 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] This day in meteorite history [Canon City]
Message-ID: <822da19a0810280614l42f03c77wad19069fdb53408@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

There are three pics of the Canon City meteorite in my October
Accretion Desk article in the Meteorite Times at:

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2008/june/Accretion_Desk.htm

The pic of the 53g piece has wood scars on its crust.

Cheers,

Martin




On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Greg Catterton
<star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Canon City Meteorite
> On the evening of Oct. 27, 1973, a meteorite hurtled through the sky in Canon City, Colo. It landed on a garage, tearing a six-inch hole in the roof and leaving a two-inch gash in the garage's cement floor. The meteorite, which weighed 1.4 kg at the time of impact, was classified as a chondrite, a stony meteorite that is the most common type to hit Earth. According to scientist Glenn Huss, who was director of the American Meteorological Laboratory at the time, the Canon City meteorite originated 60 million miles away, in an asteroid belt.
>
> At the time, it was only the third meteorite in Colorado to be discovered shortly after landfall. Upon impact, the meteorite broke into four large pieces and more than 50 fragments. A 2001 report named the Canon City meteorite as only one of 35 meteorites to hit a man-made structure in the United States.
>
>
>
>
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 28 10:34:18 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:34:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] its about time
Message-ID: <378817.33250.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.Sorry for the off list topic,but It is about time.I got a new job after 5 months.I start tomorrow!Also for any of you who have not seen or do not know,I was recently in san francisco for vacation.I was there for 8 days and visited our list campo master,bob c.I took some pics of me and him and his collection where you can view on my web site at your liesure.Thank! to perserverance!I new it would pay off sooner or later.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From wahlperry at aol.com  Tue Oct 28 11:31:58 2008
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:31:58 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] its about time
In-Reply-To: <378817.33250.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <378817.33250.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB072973483680-8F8-71A@WEBMAIL-MY36.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Steve,
Great pictures.

Thanks,
Sonny


-----Original Message-----
From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 7:34 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] its about time






Hi list.Sorry for the off list topic,but It is about time.I got a new 
job after
5 months.I start tomorrow!Also for any of you who have not seen or do 
not know,I
was recently in san francisco for vacation.I was there for 8 days and 
visited
our list campo master,bob c.I took some pics of me and him and his 
collection
where you can view on my web site at your liesure.Thank! to 
perserverance!I new
it would pay off sooner or later.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/



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From rlenssen at planet.nl  Tue Oct 28 13:59:16 2008
From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:59:16 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] what happened to Rocks from Space Picture of the
	Day
Message-ID: <BD16D35EC8B4483D83F01FC0F0563879@EIGENAARNJEQJY>

Hi List,

What happened to the "Rocks from Space Picture of the Day" site?
It seems to be disabled. I emailed Michael Johnson, but did not receive a 
reply.

Regards,
Rob Lenssen 


From majbaermann at web.de  Tue Oct 28 14:45:17 2008
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:45:17 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] what happened to Rocks from Space Picture of
	theDay
References: <BD16D35EC8B4483D83F01FC0F0563879@EIGENAARNJEQJY>
Message-ID: <400CE7729A964483A4D7514ADCC90452@thinkcentre>

That's a very good question indeed, Rob. I miss the Picture of the Day too, 
urgently.

Matthias

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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] what happened to Rocks from Space Picture of 
theDay


> Hi List,
>
> What happened to the "Rocks from Space Picture of the Day" site?
> It seems to be disabled. I emailed Michael Johnson, but did not receive a 
> reply.
>
> Regards,
> Rob Lenssen
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Oct 28 17:41:00 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:41:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] University of Western Ontario Cameras Capture
	Fireball in the Sky
Message-ID: <200810282141.OAA02629@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Media Relations
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
 
MEDIA CONTACT:
Jeff Renaud, Senior Media Relations Officer
519-661-2111, ext. 85165

Friday, October 24, 2008

Western cameras capture "fireball" in the sky; May have crashed near Guelph,
Ont.
By Communications Staff

For the second time this year, The University of Western Ontario Meteor
Group has captured incredibly rare video footage of a meteor falling to
Earth. The team of astronomers suspects the fireball dropped meteorites in a
region north of Guelph, Ont. that may total as much as a few hundred grams
in mass.

The Physics and Astronomy Department at Western has a network of all-sky
cameras in southern Ontario that scan the sky monitoring for meteors.

On Wednesday, October 15 at 5:28 a.m., all seven cameras of Western's
Southern Ontario Meteor Network recorded a bright, slow fireball in the
predawn sky.
 
Associate Professor Peter Brown and Phil McCausland, a postdoctoral
researcher in Planetary Science, are hoping to enlist the help of local
residents in recovering one or more possible meteorites that may have
crashed.
 
"This event was a relatively slow fireball that made it far into the Earth's
atmosphere. Most meteoroids burn up by the time they hit an altitude of 60
or 70 kilometres from the ground," explains McCausland, who is heading to
the region next week to investigate. "This one was tracked by our all-sky
camera network to have penetrated to an altitude of about 37 kilometres and
it slowed down considerably, so there is a possibility that at least one and
possibly several small meteorites made it to the ground."
 
By knowing the trajectory from the camera observations, the researchers can
also track backwards to get the orbit of the object before it hit the Earth.
 
"The meteorite was on a typical Earth-crossing asteroid-type orbit, so we
also expect that it is a stony-type meteorite," says McCausland.
 
In March, the network of all-sky cameras captured video of a meteor falling
to Earth that may have crashed in the Parry Sound area.
 
For high-resolution images, videos and maps,

http://www.physics.uwo.ca/research/meteor_physics/october2008-fireball.html
 
For more information or for assistance in identifying possible meteorites,
please contact Phil McCausland at 519-661-2111, ext. 87985.


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Oct 28 17:43:43 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:43:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO Reveals Details of a Wetter Mars
Message-ID: <200810282143.OAA03634@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Oct. 28, 2008

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov 

Jennifer Huergo 
Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, Laurel, Md. 
240-228-5618 
jennifer.huergo at jhuapl.edu 

Guy Webster 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
818-354-6278 
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov 
RELEASE: 08-273

NASA ORBITER REVEALS DETAILS OF A WETTER MARS

WASHINGTON -- NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has observed a new 
category of minerals spread across large regions of Mars. This 
discovery suggests that liquid water remained on the planet's surface 
a billion years later than scientists believed, and it played an 
important role in shaping the planet's surface and possibly hosting 
life. 

Researchers examining data from the orbiter's Compact Reconnaissance 
Imaging Spectrometer for Mars have found evidence of hydrated silica, 
commonly known as opal. The hydrated, or water-containing, mineral 
deposits are telltale signs of where and when water was present on 
ancient Mars. 

"This is an exciting discovery because it extends the time range for 
liquid water on Mars, and the places where it might have supported 
life," said Scott Murchie, the spectrometer's principal investigator 
at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, 
Md. "The identification of opaline silica tells us that water may 
have existed as recently as 2 billion years ago." 

Until now, only two major groups of hydrated minerals, phyllosilicates 
and hydrated sulfates, had been observed by spacecraft orbiting Mars. 
Clay-like phyllosilicates formed more than 3.5 billion years ago 
where igneous rock came into long-term contact with water. During the 
next several hundred million years, until approximately 3 billion 
years ago, hydrated sulfates formed from the evaporation of salty and 
sometimes acidic water. 

The newly discovered opaline silicates are the youngest of the three 
types of hydrated minerals. They formed where liquid water altered 
materials created by volcanic activity or meteorite impact on the 
Martian surface. One such location noted by scientists is the large 
Martian canyon system called Valles Marineris. 

"We see numerous outcrops of opal-like minerals, commonly in thin 
layers extending for very long distances around the rim of Valles 
Marineris and sometimes within the canyon system itself," said Ralph 
Milliken of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. 

Milliken is lead author of an article in the November issue of 
"Geology" that describes the identification of opaline silica. The 
study reveals that the minerals, which also were recently found in 
Gusev Crater by NASA's Mars rover Spirit, are widespread and occur in 
relatively young terrains. 

In some locations, the orbiter's spectrometer observed opaline silica 
with iron sulfate minerals, either in or around dry river channels. 
This indicates the acidic water remained on the Martian surface for 
an extended period of time. Milliken and his colleagues believe that 
in these areas, low-temperature acidic water was involved in forming 
the opal. In areas where there is no clear evidence that the water 
was acidic, deposits may have formed under a wide range of 
conditions. 

"What's important is that the longer liquid water existed on Mars, the 
longer the window during which Mars may have supported life," says 
Milliken. "The opaline silica deposits would be good places to 
explore to assess the potential for habitability on Mars, especially 
in these younger terrains." 

The spectrometer collects 544 colors, or wavelengths, of reflected 
sunlight to detect minerals on the surface of Mars. Its highest 
resolution is about 20 times sharper than any previous look at the 
planet in near-infrared wavelengths. 

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the Mars Reconnaissance 
Orbiter mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. 
Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime contractor for 
the project and built the spacecraft. The Applied Physics Laboratory 
led the effort to build the spectrometer and operates the instrument 
in coordination with an international team of researchers from 
universities, government and the private sector. 

For more about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/mro   
	
-end-



From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 28 18:27:55 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:27:55 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO Reveals Details of a Wetter Mars
References: <200810282143.OAA03634@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <002c01c9394c$6d2ad0b0$3b56e146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, All,

    This may solve the vexing problem of a long 
wait before we finally get to Mars. If there are opals 
there, I think we can expect that there will be Aussies
on the Red Planet before long.

    List members in Australia, please spread the 
word: "Didcha 'ear about the New Straike!"


Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:43 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO Reveals Details of a Wetter Mars




Oct. 28, 2008

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov 

Jennifer Huergo 
Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, Laurel, Md. 
240-228-5618 
jennifer.huergo at jhuapl.edu 

Guy Webster 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
818-354-6278 
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov 
RELEASE: 08-273

NASA ORBITER REVEALS DETAILS OF A WETTER MARS

WASHINGTON -- NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has observed a new 
category of minerals spread across large regions of Mars. This 
discovery suggests that liquid water remained on the planet's surface 
a billion years later than scientists believed, and it played an 
important role in shaping the planet's surface and possibly hosting 
life. 

Researchers examining data from the orbiter's Compact Reconnaissance 
Imaging Spectrometer for Mars have found evidence of hydrated silica, 
commonly known as opal. The hydrated, or water-containing, mineral 
deposits are telltale signs of where and when water was present on 
ancient Mars. 

"This is an exciting discovery because it extends the time range for 
liquid water on Mars, and the places where it might have supported 
life," said Scott Murchie, the spectrometer's principal investigator 
at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, 
Md. "The identification of opaline silica tells us that water may 
have existed as recently as 2 billion years ago." 

Until now, only two major groups of hydrated minerals, phyllosilicates 
and hydrated sulfates, had been observed by spacecraft orbiting Mars. 
Clay-like phyllosilicates formed more than 3.5 billion years ago 
where igneous rock came into long-term contact with water. During the 
next several hundred million years, until approximately 3 billion 
years ago, hydrated sulfates formed from the evaporation of salty and 
sometimes acidic water. 

The newly discovered opaline silicates are the youngest of the three 
types of hydrated minerals. They formed where liquid water altered 
materials created by volcanic activity or meteorite impact on the 
Martian surface. One such location noted by scientists is the large 
Martian canyon system called Valles Marineris. 

"We see numerous outcrops of opal-like minerals, commonly in thin 
layers extending for very long distances around the rim of Valles 
Marineris and sometimes within the canyon system itself," said Ralph 
Milliken of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. 

Milliken is lead author of an article in the November issue of 
"Geology" that describes the identification of opaline silica. The 
study reveals that the minerals, which also were recently found in 
Gusev Crater by NASA's Mars rover Spirit, are widespread and occur in 
relatively young terrains. 

In some locations, the orbiter's spectrometer observed opaline silica 
with iron sulfate minerals, either in or around dry river channels. 
This indicates the acidic water remained on the Martian surface for 
an extended period of time. Milliken and his colleagues believe that 
in these areas, low-temperature acidic water was involved in forming 
the opal. In areas where there is no clear evidence that the water 
was acidic, deposits may have formed under a wide range of 
conditions. 

"What's important is that the longer liquid water existed on Mars, the 
longer the window during which Mars may have supported life," says 
Milliken. "The opaline silica deposits would be good places to 
explore to assess the potential for habitability on Mars, especially 
in these younger terrains." 

The spectrometer collects 544 colors, or wavelengths, of reflected 
sunlight to detect minerals on the surface of Mars. Its highest 
resolution is about 20 times sharper than any previous look at the 
planet in near-infrared wavelengths. 

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the Mars Reconnaissance 
Orbiter mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. 
Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime contractor for 
the project and built the spacecraft. The Applied Physics Laboratory 
led the effort to build the spectrometer and operates the instrument 
in coordination with an international team of researchers from 
universities, government and the private sector. 

For more about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/mro   

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From mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com  Tue Oct 28 18:59:32 2008
From: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com (mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:59:32 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important meteorites from
	NWA?
Message-ID: <1987258222-1225234907-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468042240-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hi all
I am going to give a presentation on meteorites from NWA and am curious what you think (scientists and collectors), what the top 5 most important meteorites from NWA would be.  Which ones have shed new light on our solar system?
Thanks,
Matt
----------------------
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 28 19:11:35 2008
From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:11:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] its about time
In-Reply-To: <378817.33250.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <145618.57428.qm@web55203.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


Thanks for sharing those pics Steve (And my, you really are tall, you dwarf Bob. As Scott Adams says, big people are scary. They take up too much space and emit a high pitched, disconcerting noise that only people under 5ft6in can hear.)

You've been a lucky boy. There's nothing quite like getting up close and personal to a decent meteorite collection. I had the honour of being invited to see Rob Elliott's collection a couple of years ago and it's still one of my life's highlights. To feel the weight of a really big iron is almost unreal.

And it's great to see collectors letting another enthusiast get a really good look, too. I think it happens far more often than we hear about. These natural treasures should be enjoyed and it shows what a great bunch of guys (and gals) we are at heart.

Thanks again for the pics

Rob McC

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] its about time
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 2:34 PM
> Hi list.Sorry for the off list topic,but It is about time.I
> got a new job after 5 months.I start tomorrow!Also for any
> of you who have not seen or do not know,I was recently in
> san francisco for vacation.I was there for 8 days and
> visited our list campo master,bob c.I took some pics of me
> and him and his collection where you can view on my web site
> at your liesure.Thank! to perserverance!I new it would pay
> off sooner or later.
> 
> Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/
> 
> 
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Oct 28 19:14:05 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:14:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA's Phoenix Mission Faces Survival Challenges
Message-ID: <200810282314.QAA07884@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-199  

NASA's Phoenix Mission Faces Survival Challenges
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
October 28, 2008

PASADENA, Calif. -- In a race against time and the elements, engineers
with NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander mission hope to extend the lander's
survival by gradually shutting down some of its instruments and heaters,
starting today.

Originally scheduled to last 90 days, Phoenix has completed a fifth
month of exploration in the Martian arctic. As expected, with the
Martian northern hemisphere shifting from summer to fall, the lander is
generating less power due to shorter days and fewer hours of sunlight
reaching its solar panels. At the same time, the spacecraft requires
more power to run several survival heaters that allow it to operate even
as temperatures decline.

"If we did nothing, it wouldn't be long before the power needed to
operate the spacecraft would exceed the amount of power it generates on
a daily basis," said Phoenix Project Manager Barry Goldstein of NASA's
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "By turning off some heaters
and instruments, we can extend the life of the lander by several weeks
and still conduct some science."

Over the next several weeks, four survival heaters will be shut down,
one at a time, in an effort to conserve power. The heaters serve the
purpose of keeping the electronics within tested survivable limits. As
each heater is disabled, some of the instruments are also expected to
cease operations. The energy saved is intended to power the lander's
main camera and meteorological instruments until the very end of the
mission.

Later today, engineers will send commands to disable the first heater.
That heater warms Phoenix's robotic arm, robotic-arm camera, and thermal
and evolved-gas analyzer (TEGA), an instrument that bakes and sniffs
Martian soil to assess volatile ingredients. Shutting down this heater
is expected to save 250 watt-hours of power per Martian day.

The Phoenix team has parked the robotic arm on a representative patch of
Martian soil. No additional soil samples will be gathered. The thermal
and electrical-conductivity probe (TECP), located on the wrist of the
arm, has been inserted into the soil and will continue to measure soil
temperature and conductivity, along with atmospheric humidity near the
surface. The probe does not need a heater to operate and should continue
to send back data for weeks.

Throughout the mission, the lander's robotic arm successfully dug and
scraped Martian soil and delivered it to the onboard laboratories. "We
turn off this workhorse with the knowledge that it has far exceeded
expectations and conducted every operation asked of it," said Ray
Arvidson, the robotic arm's co-investigator, and a professor at
Washington University, St. Louis.

When power levels necessitate further action, Phoenix engineers will
disable a second heater, which serves the lander's pyrotechnic
initiation unit. The unit hasn't been used since landing, and disabling
its heater is expected to add four to five days to the mission's
lifetime. Following that step, engineers would disable a third heater,
which warms Phoenix's main camera -- the Surface Stereo Imager --and the
meteorological suite of instruments. Electronics that operate the
meteorological instruments should generate enough heat on their own to
keep most of those instruments and the camera functioning.

In the final step, Phoenix engineers may turn off a fourth heater -- one
of two survival heaters that warm the spacecraft and its batteries. This
would leave one remaining survival heater to run out on its own.

"At that point, Phoenix will be at the mercy of Mars," said Chris
Lewicki of JPL, lead mission manger.

Engineers are also preparing for solar conjunction, when the sun is
directly between Earth and Mars. Between Nov. 28 and Dec. 13, Mars and
the sun will be within two degrees of each other as seen from Earth,
blocking radio transmission between the spacecraft and Earth. During
that time, no commands will be sent to Phoenix, but daily downlinks from
Phoenix will continue through NASA's Odyssey and Mars Reconnaissance
orbiters. At this time, controllers can't predict whether the fourth
heater would be disabled before or after conjunction.

The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith of the University of Arizona,
Tucson, with project management at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and
development partnership at Lockheed Martin, Denver. International
contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of
Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus in
Denmark; the Max Planck Institute in Germany; and the Finnish
Meteorological Institute. The California Institute of Technology in
Pasadena manages JPL for NASA.

Media contacts: Rhea Borja/Veronica McGregor 818-354-0850/354-9452
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
rhea.r.borja at jpl.nasa.gov
veronica.mcgregor at jpl.nasa.gov

2008-199


From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 28 19:36:49 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:36:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Assorted legal quagmires of hunting meteorites on
	US soil? (more)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.33.1225209752.49739.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <816602.31610.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi Svend, everyone who replied, and listees,

I did some more digging on the subject (no pun intended) after our brief exchange in an effort to find out
what I could.  I ran across another brief discussion on this same subject, from the archives of this list back
in 2005.

http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com/msg34283.html

In the post linked above, the post author quotes some applicable text from the US governments laws
concerning land use in BLM areas.  Since it is public domain, I will re-quote it here :

-------------------------
[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 43, Volume 2]
[Revised as of October 1, 2004]
>From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 43CFR8365.1-5]

[Page 917]

                    TITLE 43--PUBLIC LANDS: INTERIOR

    CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR

PART 8360_VISITOR SERVICES--Table of Contents

                      Subpart 8365_Rules of Conduct

Sec. 8365.1-5  Property and resources.

    (a) On all public lands, unless otherwise authorized, no person
shall;
    (1) Willfully deface, disturb, remove or destroy any personal
property, or structures, or any scientific, cultural, archaeological or
historic resource, natural object or area;
    (2) Willfully deface, remove or destroy plants or their parts, soil, rocks
or minerals, or cave resources, except as permitted under
paragraph (b) or (c) of this paragraph; or
    (3) Use on the public lands explosive, motorized or mechanical
devices, except metal detectors, to aid in the collection of specimens
permitted under paragraph (b) or (c) of this paragraph.
    (b) Except on developed recreation sites and areas, or where
otherwise prohibited and posted, it is permissible to collect from the
public lands reasonable amounts of the following for noncommercial
purposes:
    (1) Commonly available renewable resources such as flowers, berries, nuts,
seeds, cones and leaves;
    (2) Nonrenewable resources such as rocks, mineral specimens, common
invertebrate fossils and semiprecious gemstones;
    (3) Petrified wood as provided under subpart 3622 of this title;
    (4) Mineral materials as provided under subpart 3604; and
    (5) Forest products for use in campfires on the public lands. Other
collection of forest products shall be in accordance with the provisions of
Group 5500 of this title.
    (c) The collection of renewable or nonrenewable resources from the
public lands for sale or barter to commercial dealers may be done only
after obtaining a contract or permit from an authorized officer in
accordance with part 3600 or 5400 of this chapter.

----------------------------------------------------

I am not a student or practitioner of law, so I can only read this in a layman's context.  Perhaps a list
member who has law experience in this area can clarify things here.

As I read it, it would say to me : that meteorite prospecting for "commercial" purposes is verboten.  How
the word "commercial" is legally defined in this context will be a key point to consider when determining
the legality of meteorite hunting in a given BLM area of the US.  To me, going out to a BLM area and
harvesting meteorites strictly to sell for profit might be construed as against the rules.  But if one is a
collector and meteorite-geek (read: aspiring wannabe meteoriticist), and one has the intention of keeping
any found meteorites for a personal collection (and having them classified for study) then this would not
be considered "commercial" in nature, and would therefore (within reason) be considered legal.  Again,
maybe someone fluent in law could correct and clarify here.  But it would seem that harvesting any
material, (be it flowers, nuts, berries, minerals, or meteorites) without commercial intent/results, and
for personal use, would be legal.  (except in certain "recreation areas" as noted)  Here is the key part of
the above quoted text :

------------------------

"...(b) Except on developed recreation sites and areas, or where
otherwise prohibited and posted, it is permissible to collect from the
public lands reasonable amounts of the following for noncommercial
purposes:
    (1) Commonly available renewable resources such as flowers, berries, nuts,
seeds, cones and leaves;
    (2) Nonrenewable resources such as rocks, mineral specimens, common
invertebrate fossils and semiprecious gemstones;
    (3) Petrified wood as provided under subpart 3622 of this title;
    (4) Mineral materials as provided under subpart 3604; and..."

-------------------------------

Of course, this discussion is pointless if the hunter is operating on private property with permission from
the property owner.  I have plans on doing some meteorite hunting in the near future and I will have
the means to travel extended distances and boondock in remote areas to carry out my hunting.   I will always
obtain permission from the property owner before trying to hunt, if the location is private property.  But
if the land is federal, then I want to make sure I am on the right side of the law.  I don't want to get myself
(or my wife) a criminal record for trying to find and classify meteorites.  Would my intention be personal
or commercial is a tough question to answer.  Let's suppose I got really *really* lucky and found an
undiscovered strewnfield peppered with otherwise-common chondrites and I had permission (or an
arrangement) to collect them up, as many as I could carry.  I would take as many as I could carry (and sweet-talk my wife into carrying also!) and I would have the find classified.  After classification, if the
find was a common type with no new scientific significance, then I would keep the main mass in my
private collection and donate several nice large individuals to various institutions (where appropriate),
and sell some of the smaller pieces to collectors to make a little bit of coin to pay expenses.  If the find
turned out to be a rare type, or very significant (like the first lunar on US mainland soil), then I would
donate the entire mass to appropriate institution for scientific study with the caveat that I be allowed to
keep a small portion of the mass - a nice endcut or moderately-sized slice.  Now, having exposed my
intentions as a soon-to-be amateur meteorite-geek running around looking for space rocks, would my
hunting activities be considered "personal" or "commercial" ...? 

I ask all of these questions because I am in the final stages of converting our shortbus into a boondocking
RV.  It's going to have 260watts of solar panels (minimum, perhaps more), 2kw true sinewave inverter,
no less than 4 AGM deep cycle batteries, a/c, fridge (propane), stove/oven (propane), hot water (propane),
toliet, shower, CB, cellular and wireless internet, GPS, 2 laptops, and enough water tanks to last at least 45 days in a remote area without leaving anything behind. (large blackwater tank, large freshwater tank) - I
say all of this to illustrate that this is going to happen soon (within months), so I am not just going through
idle daydreams.  So I am eager for some fresh talk on this subject that will clear me up on this subject,
because Google is of little help and it always points back to this group.

My main motive is stargazing from the darkest sites possible and visual astronomy is my main passion.
But while I am out under the darkest skies, I may also find myself in areas that are good for hunting
meteorites.  I have every intention of hunting if the opportunity presents itself, but I want these
activities to be fully legal.  To that extent I will likely have an annual federal lands pass, but I also want
to know if there are other permits or paperwork that I can acquire through proper channels to obtain
permission to hunt meteorites on federal lands. (or state lands)

Any feedback to enlighten this unranked amateur would be greatly appreciated.

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..........................................................



--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Meteorite-Recon.com <info at niger-meteorite-recon.de> wrote:

> From: Meteorite-Recon.com <info at niger-meteorite-recon.de>
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Newbie Meteorite Hunter Question - For the Vets,Pros and Finder-Extraordinaires.
> To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com
> Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 1:13 AM
> Dear Mike,
>
> thank you for your kind words on my website. Much
> appreciated.
>
> Although I am not an expert in US federal law I may
> recommend you contact Dave Gheesling from the Georgia
> Meteorite Association. Many of the members of this club do
> hunting in the US and are familiar with the law aspect of
> hunting in the US. They are a bunch of easy going fellows
> and most helpful in every regard. You may contact Dave at
> info at fallingrocks.com
>
> cheers
>
> Svend
>
>
>
> Hi Ladies, Gentlemen, and assorted fair listoids!
>
> I have a couple of burning questions for the veteran
> meteorite hunters who go
> out into the field.
>
> First, the setup :
>
> I was doing a bit of meteorite web-surfing today and I
> ended up on Svend Buhl's
> website.  His articles and
> photos that document his expeditions are fascinating to
> read.  Reading them,
> got me daydreaming about
> doing some meteorite hunting myself.  Since the wife and I
> are only months away
> from hitting the road
> in our RV, I plan on doing some meteorite hunting while we
> are out boondocking
> in remote locations.
>
> Any meteorite hunting I do will be on US or Canadian soil,
> since we don't plan
> on doing any international
> travel.
>
> So, now my burning questions :
>
> 1) What are the US federal laws regarding finding and
> removing meteorites from
> federally-administered
> lands?  What about state and national parks?  Are Bureau of
> Land Management
> (BLM) areas any
> different from state and national parks in regarding to
> meteorite hunting.
>
> 2) Suppose I am out stargazing in the middle of nowhere,
> like out in Death
> Valley away from roads and
> civilization.  And then suppose I get lucky and find a
> meteorite on land that I
> determine is state or
> federally-owned.  What is my next step?  What do I do?  Can
> I remove the
> meteorite, after documenting
> it in-situ properly?  And then where do I take it so it can
> be added to science
> without getting myself
> arrested and/or fined?
>
> 3) Suppose I find a meteorite located on remote land that
> is owned by some
> large holding company or
> corporation?  Let's say that I find a meteorite on
> property owned by one of the
> big natural gas companies.
> What do I do then?  Do I document it and then contact the
> company that owns the
> land?  Then what?
> Do I just surrender it to them, or do we work out some kind
> of deal where I can
> donate it and get a slice
> or endcut for my trouble?
>
> 4) Is there any kind of pass or permit that I can acquire
> from the states or
> federal government that will
> allow me to keep meteorites (or minerals) that I find on
> state/federal land?
>
> 5) Do any of these rules vary for different types of finds?
> - i.e., minerals,
> rocks, fossils, relics, precious
> stones/metals, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> MikeG
>
>




      

From jnbran at verizon.net  Tue Oct 28 21:48:52 2008
From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:48:52 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important meteorites
	from	NWA?
In-Reply-To: <1987258222-1225234907-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468042240-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1987258222-1225234907-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468042240-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <9F2DCE6ED62A43C2959550B83C5F1901@AcerPC>

Hello Matt and List,
That is a great question and one that we are blessed to be able to ask 
thanks to the NWA rush that we have been so fortunate to be a part of.  I 
would say:

NWA 482- The first NWA lunar that gave all of us a chance to own a piece of 
the moon (and Greg and Adam did an excellent job of letting this meteorite 
reach the scientists and the world).

NWA 2999- Which probably created more questions than actually shed light, 
but they are great questions to be asked.

These are just two off the top of my head.  I am excited to see what others 
think are some of the greatest.

Take Care,
Jason
Rocks from Heaven
www.rocksfromheaven.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important meteorites from 
NWA?


> Hi all
> I am going to give a presentation on meteorites from NWA and am curious 
> what you think (scientists and collectors), what the top 5 most important 
> meteorites from NWA would be.  Which ones have shed new light on our solar 
> system?
> Thanks,
> Matt
> ----------------------
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Tue Oct 28 23:09:01 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (Cottingham, Michael)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:09:01 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <200810282009.AA22544416@mail.gilanet.com>

 




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From gmhupe at htn.net  Tue Oct 28 22:19:34 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:19:34 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important
	meteoritesfrom	NWA?
References: <1987258222-1225234907-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468042240-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<9F2DCE6ED62A43C2959550B83C5F1901@AcerPC>
Message-ID: <5ACC32CA0E1E47A584978D9996EFF939@Gregor>

Hello Jason and List,

Jason wrote:

>>
"NWA 482 - The first NWA lunar that gave all of us a chance to own a piece 
of
the moon (and Greg and Adam did an excellent job of letting this meteorite
 reach the scientists and the world).

 NWA 2999- Which probably created more questions than actually shed light,
 but they are great questions to be asked.

 These are just two off the top of my head.  I am excited to see what others
 think are some of the greatest."
<<

First, I must correct the fact that Mike Farmer and Jim Strope brought NWA 
482 to the meteorite world. Adam and I were very fortunate to have been the 
majority stake investors on their Moroccan expedition which produced this 
One-of-a-Kind lunar Crown Jewel and we still hold the 312-gram oriented main 
mass.

Jason, I can "Thank you" for recognition  for NWA 2999 however, the Angrite 
from the Sahara which started a lot of, "Where are Angrites from?" abstracts 
and articles. I have been extremely fortunate to have been the one source 
for all three of the Angrites emerging from NWA, and not to mention my 
Saharan friends who helped to bring these to us. NWA 4801 and NWA 4590 
"Tamassint" are the freshest Angrites to have survived the ravages of 
earth's "Mother Nature-effect" in her attempt to 'terrestrialize' alien 
matter once it hits the earth's surface. If interested in Angrites, do not 
forget to pick up a copy of the current issue of Astronomy magazine 
(November 2008), a good un-biased look at whether Angrites are from Mercury 
or another body!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JASON PHILLIPS" <jnbran at verizon.net>
To: <mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important 
meteoritesfrom NWA?


> Hello Matt and List,
> That is a great question and one that we are blessed to be able to ask 
> thanks to the NWA rush that we have been so fortunate to be a part of.  I 
> would say:
>
> NWA 482- The first NWA lunar that gave all of us a chance to own a piece 
> of the moon (and Greg and Adam did an excellent job of letting this 
> meteorite reach the scientists and the world).
>
> NWA 2999- Which probably created more questions than actually shed light, 
> but they are great questions to be asked.
>
> These are just two off the top of my head.  I am excited to see what 
> others think are some of the greatest.
>
> Take Care,
> Jason
> Rocks from Heaven
> www.rocksfromheaven.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:59 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important meteorites 
> from NWA?
>
>
>> Hi all
>> I am going to give a presentation on meteorites from NWA and am curious 
>> what you think (scientists and collectors), what the top 5 most important 
>> meteorites from NWA would be.  Which ones have shed new light on our 
>> solar system?
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>> ----------------------
>> Matt Morgan
>> Mile High Meteorites
>> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>> P.O. Box 151293
>> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
>
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Tue Oct 28 23:24:07 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (Cottingham, Michael)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:24:07 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: AUCTIONS ENDING IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS. MUST
	SEE!
Message-ID: <200810282024.AA22609952@mail.gilanet.com>

Hello,

Will someone let me know if they see this on the list? My PC crashed and I am 
going MAC at the moment... Not sure about all the buttons? !! All good though.

Anyway, I do have an amazing group of meteorites ending tomorrow, plus a 30% 
off most items sale. It is most certainly worth a look...

Dang! When Ebay first started you would NEVER see this many cool meteorites on 
there week after week. It is also hard to believe I have been on Ebay for 10 years. In 
the early days of ebay there would never be more than 20-100 meteorites on there 
and mostly less than 50. There was not even a category for them!

STORE LINK FOR GREAT SALE!
http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history

Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham 




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From gmhupe at htn.net  Tue Oct 28 23:02:38 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:02:38 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Only the Best from NWA - AD
Message-ID: <2943718A219F40759B4005093E68E091@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

I have always been driven to go after and offer the "Best-of-the-Best" when 
it comes to rare meteorites from the Sahara. This week's ending eBay 
auctions tomorrow are no different. I have a variety of specimens ranging 
from Lunar, Martian, from asteroids and/or other 'places'. All can be seen 
at this link: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

Here is the quick list to a few of the goodies:

NWA 2952 CK4 (last 8 specimens):
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=nwa+2952&_sacat=See-All-Categories

NWA 4800 CK5 (last 7 specimens):
http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=nwa+4800&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=nwa+2952&_osacat=0

NWA 4799 Aubrite (Finally, a True Aubrite from NWA!!, 15 choices!):
http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=nwa+4799&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=nwa+2952&_osacat=0

NWA 4883 Maskelynite-rich Eucrite (Lunar-like!)(10 Spectacular Pieces!):
http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=nwa+4883&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=nwa+4934&_osacat=0

NWA 4934 Howardite (Last 4 Specimens):
http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=nwa+4934&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=nwa+4934&_osacat=0

And there is more, but you will have to check 'em out in person, click here 
for all that I have under seller, NaturesVault, to offer this week: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

In addition to the above items, be sure to check out:
Glorieta Pallasites & Siderites
Brachinites
Martians
Lunar-like Diogenites
Lodranites
Chondrites ;-)
Ungrouped Achondrites
Angrites
Aubrites
Martians (oh yah, more than one starting at just 99 cents!!)
Chergach
Dhofar 019 Martian
Henbury
Muonionalusta Iron
Mundrabilla ...

Thank you for checking out this week's auctions, and if you are bidding, 
"Good Luck"!!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault





From jnbran at verizon.net  Tue Oct 28 23:56:00 2008
From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:56:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important
 meteoritesfromNWA?
In-Reply-To: <5ACC32CA0E1E47A584978D9996EFF939@Gregor>
References: <1987258222-1225234907-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468042240-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<9F2DCE6ED62A43C2959550B83C5F1901@AcerPC>
	<5ACC32CA0E1E47A584978D9996EFF939@Gregor>
Message-ID: <6F4BF024ADE24A8A975138E1667B7191@AcerPC>

Hello Greg and List,
Yes, Mike and Jim did a fantastic job getting this wonderful meteorite to
the collector's world, but I do remember some great work that you and Adam
did with many of the scientist.  I think I remember seeing pictures of you
guys at NASA, if I remember correctly, doing presentations on this stone.
That is what I meant by my comment in regards to you and Adam.  Nothing was
meant to be taken away from Mike and Jim.

Take Care,
Jason
Rocks from Heaven
www.rocksfromheaven.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
To: "JASON PHILLIPS" <jnbran at verizon.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important 
meteoritesfromNWA?


> Hello Jason and List,
>
> Jason wrote:
>
>>>
> "NWA 482 - The first NWA lunar that gave all of us a chance to own a piece 
> of
> the moon (and Greg and Adam did an excellent job of letting this meteorite
> reach the scientists and the world).
>
> NWA 2999- Which probably created more questions than actually shed light,
> but they are great questions to be asked.
>
> These are just two off the top of my head.  I am excited to see what 
> others
> think are some of the greatest."
> <<
>
> First, I must correct the fact that Mike Farmer and Jim Strope brought NWA 
> 482 to the meteorite world. Adam and I were very fortunate to have been 
> the majority stake investors on their Moroccan expedition which produced 
> this One-of-a-Kind lunar Crown Jewel and we still hold the 312-gram 
> oriented main mass.
>
> Jason, I can "Thank you" for recognition  for NWA 2999 however, the 
> Angrite from the Sahara which started a lot of, "Where are Angrites from?" 
> abstracts and articles. I have been extremely fortunate to have been the 
> one source for all three of the Angrites emerging from NWA, and not to 
> mention my Saharan friends who helped to bring these to us. NWA 4801 and 
> NWA 4590 "Tamassint" are the freshest Angrites to have survived the 
> ravages of earth's "Mother Nature-effect" in her attempt to 
> 'terrestrialize' alien matter once it hits the earth's surface. If 
> interested in Angrites, do not forget to pick up a copy of the current 
> issue of Astronomy magazine (November 2008), a good un-biased look at 
> whether Angrites are from Mercury or another body!
>
> Best regards,
> Greg
>
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA 3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "JASON PHILLIPS" <jnbran at verizon.net>
> To: <mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important 
> meteoritesfrom NWA?
>
>
>> Hello Matt and List,
>> That is a great question and one that we are blessed to be able to ask 
>> thanks to the NWA rush that we have been so fortunate to be a part of.  I 
>> would say:
>>
>> NWA 482- The first NWA lunar that gave all of us a chance to own a piece 
>> of the moon (and Greg and Adam did an excellent job of letting this 
>> meteorite reach the scientists and the world).
>>
>> NWA 2999- Which probably created more questions than actually shed light, 
>> but they are great questions to be asked.
>>
>> These are just two off the top of my head.  I am excited to see what 
>> others think are some of the greatest.
>>
>> Take Care,
>> Jason
>> Rocks from Heaven
>> www.rocksfromheaven.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:59 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important meteorites 
>> from NWA?
>>
>>
>>> Hi all
>>> I am going to give a presentation on meteorites from NWA and am curious 
>>> what you think (scientists and collectors), what the top 5 most 
>>> important meteorites from NWA would be.  Which ones have shed new light 
>>> on our solar system?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Matt
>>> ----------------------
>>> Matt Morgan
>>> Mile High Meteorites
>>> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>>> P.O. Box 151293
>>> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
>
> 



From pshugar at clearwire.net  Wed Oct 29 00:37:34 2008
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:37:34 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important
	meteoritesfromNWA?
References: <1987258222-1225234907-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468042240-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><9F2DCE6ED62A43C2959550B83C5F1901@AcerPC><5ACC32CA0E1E47A584978D9996EFF939@Gregor>
	<6F4BF024ADE24A8A975138E1667B7191@AcerPC>
Message-ID: <000401c93980$11cffbd0$d0e11960@laptop>


I also would nominate ALH84001 as well as
NWA998 which is almost identical to
ALH84001. They both have contributed
much to science.
Last but by no means any lesser than the above
is Monahans 1998 for the ultra thrill of it's
microscopic H2O (water) contents.
These, and the other two, NWA 482 and
NWA 5000 would be the top 5 in science
value.
For beauty, I'd list almost all of the pallasites.
Glorieta, Esquil, Brahin, and Brenham , and
Seymchan come to mind quickly.
Pete


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JASON PHILLIPS" <jnbran at verizon.net>
To: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important 
meteoritesfromNWA?


> Hello Greg and List,
> Yes, Mike and Jim did a fantastic job getting this wonderful meteorite to
> the collector's world, but I do remember some great work that you and Adam
> did with many of the scientist.  I think I remember seeing pictures of you
> guys at NASA, if I remember correctly, doing presentations on this stone.
> That is what I meant by my comment in regards to you and Adam.  Nothing 
> was
> meant to be taken away from Mike and Jim.
>
> Take Care,
> Jason
> Rocks from Heaven
> www.rocksfromheaven.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
> To: "JASON PHILLIPS" <jnbran at verizon.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important 
> meteoritesfromNWA?
>
>
>> Hello Jason and List,
>>
>> Jason wrote:
>>
>>>>
>> "NWA 482 - The first NWA lunar that gave all of us a chance to own a 
>> piece of
>> the moon (and Greg and Adam did an excellent job of letting this 
>> meteorite
>> reach the scientists and the world).
>>
>> NWA 2999- Which probably created more questions than actually shed light,
>> but they are great questions to be asked.
>>
>> These are just two off the top of my head.  I am excited to see what 
>> others
>> think are some of the greatest."
>> <<
>>
>> First, I must correct the fact that Mike Farmer and Jim Strope brought 
>> NWA 482 to the meteorite world. Adam and I were very fortunate to have 
>> been the majority stake investors on their Moroccan expedition which 
>> produced this One-of-a-Kind lunar Crown Jewel and we still hold the 
>> 312-gram oriented main mass.
>>
>> Jason, I can "Thank you" for recognition  for NWA 2999 however, the 
>> Angrite from the Sahara which started a lot of, "Where are Angrites 
>> from?" abstracts and articles. I have been extremely fortunate to have 
>> been the one source for all three of the Angrites emerging from NWA, and 
>> not to mention my Saharan friends who helped to bring these to us. NWA 
>> 4801 and NWA 4590 "Tamassint" are the freshest Angrites to have survived 
>> the ravages of earth's "Mother Nature-effect" in her attempt to 
>> 'terrestrialize' alien matter once it hits the earth's surface. If 
>> interested in Angrites, do not forget to pick up a copy of the current 
>> issue of Astronomy magazine (November 2008), a good un-biased look at 
>> whether Angrites are from Mercury or another body!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Greg
>>
>> ====================
>> Greg Hupe
>> The Hupe Collection
>> NaturesVault (eBay)
>> gmhupe at htn.net
>> www.LunarRock.com
>> IMCA 3163
>> ====================
>> Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "JASON PHILLIPS" <jnbran at verizon.net>
>> To: <mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important 
>> meteoritesfrom NWA?
>>
>>
>>> Hello Matt and List,
>>> That is a great question and one that we are blessed to be able to ask 
>>> thanks to the NWA rush that we have been so fortunate to be a part of. 
>>> I would say:
>>>
>>> NWA 482- The first NWA lunar that gave all of us a chance to own a piece 
>>> of the moon (and Greg and Adam did an excellent job of letting this 
>>> meteorite reach the scientists and the world).
>>>
>>> NWA 2999- Which probably created more questions than actually shed 
>>> light, but they are great questions to be asked.
>>>
>>> These are just two off the top of my head.  I am excited to see what 
>>> others think are some of the greatest.
>>>
>>> Take Care,
>>> Jason
>>> Rocks from Heaven
>>> www.rocksfromheaven.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: <mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com>
>>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:59 PM
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] What are the top 5 most important meteorites 
>>> from NWA?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>> I am going to give a presentation on meteorites from NWA and am curious 
>>>> what you think (scientists and collectors), what the top 5 most 
>>>> important meteorites from NWA would be.  Which ones have shed new light 
>>>> on our solar system?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Matt
>>>> ----------------------
>>>> Matt Morgan
>>>> Mile High Meteorites
>>>> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>>>> P.O. Box 151293
>>>> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 01:04:41 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:04:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] This day in meteorite history
Message-ID: <159316.7051.qm@web45616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

This Day in meteorite History...

43.7g of the Sacramento Wash 005 meteorite was found by Jim Smaller on October 29, 2005.
A very important find considering this meteorite has a total known weight of only 52.3 grams and is one of only five approved meteorites classified as an H-metal type meteorite.


Another event that happend on this day in meteorite history was the finding of a 17.1 kg mass of the De Hoek meteorite on October 29, 1967.
Classified as an Iron-ung this meteorite has a total known weight of 20.93 kg and the find added the majority of the TKW that has been reported.


      


From meteorhound at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 08:32:33 2008
From: meteorhound at yahoo.com (Patricia Harris)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:32:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dow does a  meteorite climb
Message-ID: <856827.62787.qm@web59602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


I didn't know meteorites climb, I thought they fell. 

http://www.newsroomamerica.com/business/story.php?id=436203


      


From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 11:05:23 2008
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:05:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] O'Bama Emails from Met List Members
Message-ID: <173523.2387.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

   I do not know why or how- but somehow my home email address (which I never use on the meteorite list) was picked up on by (2) list members and hit hard with extremely radical and malicious anti- O'Bama emails.
   Intentional or not (it may be an email virus)- please check your emails and do not respond to any related or forward any of this on.

   Sorry for the rant- it is just very upsetting this morning. I put blocks on those two list members.

Mike


      

From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Wed Oct 29 09:06:10 2008
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:06:10 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending on saturday and Website
	information
Message-ID: <006d01c939c7$1e8c34f0$6701a8c0@T42>

Dear All,

This week we still have more goodies for you on ebay that you can see at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow

THESE AUCTIONS WILL END ON SATURDAY...

1- a 8.1g fragment of CHERGACH, H5 Witnessed Fall
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330280041726

2- the 95.0g MAIN MASS of DaG 577, H6 (if you look at the main pic, it looks 
like a smiling face!)
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330280041780

3- a 30.1g slice of HaH 248 - H3.9
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330280041919

4- a 239.3g individual of an unclassified O.C., about 70% fusion crusted
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330280042156

5- a 45.5g individual of an unclassified O.C., about 90% fusion crusted
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330280042355

6- a 31.3g individual of an unclassified O.C., ORIENTED & 100% fusion 
crusted
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330280042512

7- a 80.1g endcut of SAH 03502, LL3 with beautiful chondrules
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330280042739

8- a 14.6g fragment of ZAG, H3-6, with approx. 30% fusion crust
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330280042865

I also wish to inform anybody who is looking at my website that i have not 
the possibility to update prices at the moment as i am in Ghana. Therefore, 
when prices are stated both in EURO and USD, please take the price in EURO 
and apply the current exchange rate in order to get it in USD (since the 
EURO is dropping down, maybe some good deals are to be made by non European 
collectors!...) -> see http://meteoriteshow.free.fr/ and from there use the 
links to get to the pages that you wish to reach or go directly to 
http://meteoriteshow.free.fr/meteoriteshow%20fra/pages%20navigation/pieces_en_vente-fra.htm.

Good luck and thanks for your interest,
Kind regards

Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA #2491 


From mlblood at cox.net  Tue Oct 28 20:37:33 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:37:33 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Off the point RE none of the above!
In-Reply-To: <762273.30659.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C52CFE5D.1B330%mlblood@cox.net>

> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [165thMPCo] Election ,none of the above!
> To: 165thMPCo at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:27 AM
> Hi all!
> The swastika is an ancient symbol representing the wheel of change. with wood
> cutting the original radial arms were changed to lines at right angles, which
> were easier to cut with an awl. Hitler adopted the swasticka as his symbol of
> change when he ran for office and Obama's campain mirrors the change platform
> of Adolf Hitler.
> ? McCain is an honorable veteran but a poor choice for President. If you
> really want change. do what I did! voice your? Opinion by voting for none of
> the above! dont vote for any Republican or Democrat as they are part of the
> problem and all are insiders. I personally voted for The Constitutional Party.
> Vote Green , vote commie, vote Libertairian but voice your dissatifaction with
> the people in office now by not voting republican or democrat! as its the only
> way to wake them up! send this to everyone you know vote none of the above!
> Its the only way we are going to see change!
> Steve
Your comments about Obama verge one criminal slander.
        Your heart may be in the right place, but your "logic"
Is in the tank.
        Sincerely, Michael Blood

Save huge $ on gas: http://go4best.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/

Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail Out"):
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From mlblood at cox.net  Wed Oct 29 04:18:20 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:18:20 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Who the hell is this group of people?
In-Reply-To: <20081029.001010.28668.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <C52D6A5C.1B354%mlblood@cox.net>

Who the hell are these people and how
Did I get on this list?????????
        Sincerely, Michael Blood

on 10/29/08 12:10 AM, razor75 at juno.com at razor75 at juno.com wrote:

> Steve,
> It is an interesting perspective that you share.  In part, I believe you may
> have something but none of the candidates, including Obama or McCain, have the
> real answers.  Just a lot of government by Santa Claus.  Everything is great
> around Christmas but in January when the bills come in all kinds of problems
> come up.  However, I have a better solution for America.  consider the
> following link and I challenge you to watch the related three videos.
> http://www.fellowshipchurch.com/politicked?FCW=1i37mcdbvdkni6f6ci6ot9kji4
> At the link are three messages that will show the real answer to solving our
> country's woes.
> Also, consider this verse from the Bible.  For those that that read the
> following, if you are not a Christian, this promise does not apply.  All it
> takes is for God's people to do what God asks us to do and our nation will be
> healed.  Both believers and unbelievers will benefit if Christians humble
> themselves before God.
> 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, who are called by my name, will humble
> themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then
> will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
> That is my vote....
> Kenn
> 
> -- Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [165thMPCo] Election ,none of the above!
> To: 165thMPCo at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:27 AM
> 
> Hi all!The swastika is an ancient symbol representing the wheel of change.
> with wood cutting the original radial arms were changed to lines at right
> angles, which were easier to cut with an awl. Hitler adopted the swasticka as
> his symbol of change when he ran for office and Obama's campain mirrors the
> change platform of Adolf Hitler.  McCain is an honorable veteran but a poor
> choice for President. If you really want change. do what I did! voice your
> Opinion by voting for none of the above! dont vote for any Republican or
> Democrat as they are part of the problem and all are insiders. I personally
> voted for The Constitutional Party. Vote Green , vote commie, vote
> Libertairian but voice your dissatifaction with the people in office now by
> not voting republican or democrat! as its the only way to wake them up! send
> this to everyone you know vote none of the above! Its the only way we are
> going to see change!Steve
> 
> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Gordon Sturrock <gs at veteransagainsttorture.com> wrote:
> From: Gordon Sturrock <gs at veteransagainsttorture.com>
> Subject: Re: [165thMPCo] Election
> To: 165thMPCo at yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:02 AM
> 
> I'm so pissed I hardly know how to think anymore.
> The only thing that is really changing is the filthy rich are getting
> richer, while more and more Americans find out they are in a struggle for
> survival.
> Gordon
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "longjohn422000" <lengenny at mchsi. com>
> To: <165thMPCo at yahoogrou ps.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:40 AM
> Subject: [165thMPCo] Election
> 
>> Hi All I would like to know what changes the democratic candidate is
>> talking about. Does anybody know? I keep hearing change but no
>> specifics that are any different than any other election year. Why are
>> we so mad about the direction of the country? We did it all ourselves.
>> NO other country did it to us. We have been electing the same old
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From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Oct 29 09:12:22 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:12:22 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: [165thMPCo] Election ,
	none of the above!
In-Reply-To: <20081029.001010.28668.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20081029.001010.28668.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <dtngg4pthovp1k9gt33iv9lqn10ju63c0c@4ax.com>

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:10:10 GMT, you wrote:

> but none of the candidates, including Obama or McCain, have the real answers.  Just a lot of government by Santa Claus.  

<snip>

>\All it takes is for God's people to do what God asks us to do and our nation will be healed.  

Let's see-- Santa Claus is a fictional character who whatches everything that
you do, and punishes you if you aren't good.  So if you want to be rewarded, you
have to obey him.

God, on the other hand, is a fictional character who whatches everything that
you do, and punishes you if you aren't good.  So if you want to be rewarded, you
have to obey him.

The problems this country has in the first place are because of some nitwit who
thinks that God tells him what to do has been running it.  The best thing that
could happen to this country would be for a secular humanist to be in control--
that way, we'd have someone who thnks that we are responsible for our own fate,
and our own failings, and aren't puppets to the will of magical faries in the
sky and monsters under the bed.  You know-- act like nice, responsible adults
because you WANT to act that way, not because you want Santa Jesus to bring you
wings and a harp for Christmas when you die.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=george+bush+god+told+me+to+go+to+iraq&btnG=Google+Search&aq=4&oq=george+bush+god+

From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Oct 29 12:50:21 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:50:21 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: [165thMPCo] Election ,
	none of the above!
In-Reply-To: <dtngg4pthovp1k9gt33iv9lqn10ju63c0c@4ax.com>
References: <20081029.001010.28668.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>
	<dtngg4pthovp1k9gt33iv9lqn10ju63c0c@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <ks4hg4hkubsedd3vgttsdl706a8u8p6568@4ax.com>

Hm.  Looks like this reply ended up on the list.  Sorry, it was never intended
to-- but I see  now that the list address is one of the addresses in the CC area
of the message I was "replying to all" to.  (For those of you not originally on
that list, there has been a bit of a political spam going out to a few dozen or
so list members).

From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 12:21:25 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:21:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] What is going on? political related SPAM
Message-ID: <181897.73358.qm@web45615.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

What is going on with all the political spam to this list?
I DO NOT want to be gettting this, and this list I feel is not the place for this!
Politics is/should be a private matter and I for one do not care to mix it with this hobby.
I hope I will be getting no more of these messages.
Please take action against the person/people who are doing this as I feel this is a gross violation of what this list is intended for.

Greg


      


From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Wed Oct 29 12:27:11 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:27:11 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Nothing political! Just a cool Brachinite
	micrograph (NWA 3151)
Message-ID: <d3b.2cef3324.3639e8df@aol.com>

Hi list,

Greg Hupe has sent me a  beautiful NWA 3151 Brachinite Thin Section to 
examine and image.  

I  have a beautiful shot taken at a magnification of 400X at 8mp.  I will 
send  it as an attachment if your Internet provider will carry what works out to 
about  9mb file size.  Email me if you want it sent and let me know if you 
would  prefer it embedded.  Embedding reduces the file size to very small and  
really takes away form the details of the image.

A Brachinite is a great  material for me to bring this up.  The unique 
structural properties of a  Brachinite are best seen at a much lower magnification.  

I have  been told that, for classification purposes, my images should be 
taken with out  a retardation plate, at a much lower magnification and expressed 
in filed of  view size and not magnification level.  I know this, but it is my 
view that  classification can not be done by a few photos and (This is the 
main point)  classification has already been done,  the colors are more beautiful 
with a  retardation plate,  this high magnification level (relative to 
traditional  Xpol work) provides a unique view into the structures within meteorites 
and  finally,  more people (including those uninitiated to microscope work)  
relate to magnification expressed in a level rather than the micron size of 
the  field of view.

I am chasing beauty.  Some have even called it  art.  I do not attempt to 
classify.  I have occasionally produced  traditional shots for certain people to 
use in their work but that is not what I  am excited to share.

So if you want to have a beautiful (full resolution)  image of Greg's NWA 
3151 Brachinite sent to you, just ask.

Tom Phillips  

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From rlenssen at planet.nl  Wed Oct 29 14:08:35 2008
From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:08:35 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou photographs
Message-ID: <8365832504374E97BA14AEDA6DB7A169@EIGENAARNJEQJY>

Hi List,

Below some links to Bassikounou photographs I made. Thought some of you 
might appreciate viewing them. The emphasis is on fusion crust.
They may take some time to load, as I choose not-to-small format.

http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Bassikounou_1.htm

http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Bassikounou_2.htm

Regards,
Rob Lenssen 


From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Wed Oct 29 14:45:23 2008
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:45:23 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou photographs
Message-ID: <cc9.40093d7c.363a0943@aol.com>

Fantastic!  Thanks for sharing.  Every  body, Check It Out!  Tom

In a message dated 10/29/2008 12:09:00 P.M.  Mountain Daylight Time, 
rlenssen at planet.nl writes:
Hi List,

Below some  links to Bassikounou photographs I made. Thought some of you 
might  appreciate viewing them. The emphasis is on fusion crust.
They may take some  time to load, as I choose not-to-small  format.

http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Bassikounou_1.htm

http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Bassikounou_2.htm

Regards,
Rob  Lenssen  

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From mark at meteorites.cc  Wed Oct 29 16:16:33 2008
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:16:33 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou photographs
In-Reply-To: <cc9.40093d7c.363a0943@aol.com>
References: <cc9.40093d7c.363a0943@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4908C4A1.4040502@meteorites.cc>

Very nice, I WANT that big one! :)

STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com wrote:
> Fantastic!  Thanks for sharing.  Every  body, Check It Out!  Tom
>
> In a message dated 10/29/2008 12:09:00 P.M.  Mountain Daylight Time, 
> rlenssen at planet.nl writes:
> Hi List,
>
> Below some  links to Bassikounou photographs I made. Thought some of you 
> might  appreciate viewing them. The emphasis is on fusion crust.
> They may take some  time to load, as I choose not-to-small  format.
>   
>


-- 
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From mlblood at cox.net  Wed Oct 29 16:13:43 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:13:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION, 2009
In-Reply-To: <d3b.2cef3324.3639e8df@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C52E1207.1B3B3%mlblood@cox.net>

Greetings all,
        There were some real problems securing a space for the Tucson
Show Meteorite Auction; the place on Craycroft was sold.... After
Checking around, it turned out the OLD  VFW Post on Beverly did
NOT sell (which is why I had switched), so, in 2009 we will be back at the
Location we were for about 5 years running on Beverly just off Speedway.
Full directions will be provided in a new page going up on my site VERY
Soon - probably later today. The date will be Sat, Feb. 7
        Jerry Armstrong will be lecturing in the space used a few years back
By U of A and his lecture (NOT about painting) is going to be something
people will not want to Miss.
        Jerry is also planning to bring NEW paintings to Tucson this year!
These will be originals - paintings not commissioned but for sale - and
there may even be one in the auction. He will also be bringing a variety of
his high quality Giclees, as well.
        CALL FOR ENTRIES: People submitting auction specimens (via
good JPG and basic description - Name, type, weight, dimensions, etc)
before Nov. 15 will STILL get the exceptionally low consignment fee
of 10%  of the price of the sale
        My goal is to have a 100 item On Line Catalog up as quickly as
possible. After Nov. 15 consignment fees will increase incrementally.
        Of course, the Birthday Bash is the preview of Geoff Notkin and
Steve Arnold (the real Steve Arnold, not Chicago Steve), but I have
Spoken with Geoff and the Bash will be held Fri, Feb. 6 - Geoff will
Later announce the location.
        Any questions, please feel free to contact me off list - unless you
Feel the question is one to which other list members may want the
answer.
        Best wishes, Michael




From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Oct 29 17:25:17 2008
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 29 Oct 2008 21:25:17 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou Photographs
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000009E00003540@paulinet.de>

Hello All,

"Very nice, I WANT that big one!"

That's fine with me because I would like to have that fragment
with the molten crustal material spilled over the fresh interior!

Beautiful, so beautiful, so unique and, well, *r*a*r*e* !!!
Thanks for sharing!

Bernd


From meteorhound at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 18:11:05 2008
From: meteorhound at yahoo.com (Patricia Harris)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:11:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc Photographs
Message-ID: <979873.13953.qm@web59610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

A very fresh Berduc

http://www.meteorman.org/Berduc_42_93g.htm


      


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Oct 29 21:14:34 2008
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (Cottingham, Michael)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:14:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: GREAT AUCTIONS ENDING IN ~2 HOURS! STORE SALE
	ENDS TONIGHT!LAST SALE FOR A FEW WEEKS!
Message-ID: <200810291814.AA29884448@mail.gilanet.com>

Hello,

I am still working on new computer system, so I do not have highlights for you. 
However, if you want some great deals tonight check out these auctions:

http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history

Most certainly worth a look.  Check out the 3k Main Mass, which is just pennies on 
the dollar! Still a great deal!

Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham



 




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From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 30 00:47:40 2008
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:47:40 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] SPAM: NEVER ENDING. ADS EVERY 24 HOURS. STORE SALE
 TONIGHT!LAST SALE FOR A FEW WEEKS! NOT...
Message-ID: <BAY113-W21E044B24684B88A0EC78CA2210@phx.gbl>


These ads remind me of the endless furniture liquidation sales and infomercials on tv. The hysterical caps are comparable to the screaming pitch man. I love a good meteorite sale as much as anyone.
 
Maybe I need to do business with this fellow. His sales must all include terrific bargains that I don't comprehend. Nobody seems to mind his endless ad spam. That's the reason it's tolerated, right?
 
Bill 
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From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Oct 30 01:22:22 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:22:22 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chesapeake Invader heads-up
In-Reply-To: <574157.24206.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.276.1224769845.82507.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<574157.24206.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <lugig494khkr51vr30u1l0ftc5lf99dgh7@4ax.com>

For anyone who doesn't have a copy yet, there are currently a few used copies
availible in the $10.00 range (which is half or less what you usally find used
copies listed for):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0691009198/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 30 01:02:43 2008
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:02:43 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <BAY113-W31059613FD8F40DC60C194A2210@phx.gbl>


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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 30 01:23:52 2008
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:23:52 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] SPAM: NEVER ENDING. ADS EVERY 24 HOURS. STORE
	SALE TONIGHT!LAST SALE FOR A FEW WEEKS! NOT...
References: <BAY113-W21E044B24684B88A0EC78CA2210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <012501c93a4f$b312f040$3b56e146@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, Bill,

    The usual procedure is to "Reply" to the
List Posting you're commenting on, so that
other people will know WHICH List Posting
you're talking about. "The "Reply" function
should append the original message to your
message in response to it (like in this Posting).

    I'm guessing that you're talking about one
of the dealer AD postings. AD's are allowed
by the List Rules if labeled as such but are
limited in frequency. I could even guess which
dealer you might be talking about here, but...
truthfully, I don't really KNOW.

    It really helps to read the Postings if the readers
know what (or who) you're talking about.

    Just a suggestion.


Sterling K. Webb (Not a dealer)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bill kies" <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:47 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] SPAM: NEVER ENDING. ADS EVERY 24 HOURS. STORE SALE 
TONIGHT!LAST SALE FOR A FEW WEEKS! NOT...



These ads remind me of the endless furniture liquidation sales and 
infomercials on tv. The hysterical caps are comparable to the screaming 
pitch man. I love a good meteorite sale as much as anyone.

Maybe I need to do business with this fellow. His sales must all include 
terrific bargains that I don't comprehend. Nobody seems to mind his endless 
ad spam. That's the reason it's tolerated, right?

Bill
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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Thu Oct 30 10:21:31 2008
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:21:31 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Forbes article with Casper resource
Message-ID: <2E20F18B53E54AE1864F9ED3676EE59C@meteorroom>

All,
I've been contacted by the author of this article and am requesting brief,
bulleted comments from all who care to contribute before responding to him.
There were obviously many points which were well off base, but there's no
point in leaving any stone unturned (no pun intended) before sending a
complete and accurate reply.  He genuinely seems to want to correct the
mistakes in his article, and that's good.  Part of my response will be the
recommendation of better resources, and he's specifically asked for the
reasons why Casper isn't a good one.  Have at it...
Best regards, and thanks in advance,
Dave

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 


From dave at fallingrocks.com  Thu Oct 30 10:22:38 2008
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:22:38 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Forbes article link, FYI...
Message-ID: <B27BF02A33744D91B719B52ACE0E61F6@meteorroom>

http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/21/comic-book-bubbles-markets-bubbles08-cx_ds_
1021tiny.html

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 


From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 30 10:38:21 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:38:21 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Forbes article link, FYI...
In-Reply-To: <B27BF02A33744D91B719B52ACE0E61F6@meteorroom>
References: <B27BF02A33744D91B719B52ACE0E61F6@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W83CF35DBBEF6E6E526B59F8210@phx.gbl>


http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/21/comic-book-bubbles-markets-bubbles08-cx_ds_1021tiny.html
http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/21/comic-book-bubbles-markets-bubbles08-cx_ds_1021tiny.html

There ya go!



> From: dave at fallingrocks.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:22:38 -0400
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Forbes article link, FYI...
>
> http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/21/comic-book-bubbles-markets-bubbles08-cx_ds_
> 1021tiny.html
>
> Dave Gheesling
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> www.fallingrocks.com
>
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From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Thu Oct 30 10:45:44 2008
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:45:44 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Forbes article with Casper resource
Message-ID: <4909c898.21.2752.860412881@webmaildh3.aruba.it>

just write to Forbes, M.Casper have to give to my friend
here in Italy at 20.000,00 euro of DaG 489 buy and never
pay, after we seen what idea they have of M.Casper....

Matteo

----- Original Message -----
Da : "Dave Gheesling" <dave at fallingrocks.com>
A : <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Forbes article with Casper
resource
Data : Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:21:31 -0400

> All,
> I've been contacted by the author of this article and am
> requesting brief, bulleted comments from all who care to
> contribute before responding to him. There were obviously
> many points which were well off base, but there's no point
> in leaving any stone unturned (no pun intended) before
> sending a complete and accurate reply.  He genuinely seems
> to want to correct the mistakes in his article, and that's
> good.  Part of my response will be the recommendation of
> better resources, and he's specifically asked for the
> reasons why Casper isn't a good one.  Have at it... Best
> regards, and thanks in advance, Dave
> 
> Dave Gheesling
> IMCA #5967
> www.fallingrocks.com 
> 
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 12:36:52 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:36:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] back to work freebies (finally the last)
Message-ID: <244704.99138.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.Having just got back to work (YEAAAAA).I am having one last "very last" freebie givaway.I have 5 TAZA'S (NOT GLORIETTA'S) 1 GAO and 2 riker boxes.1 per person.5.9,5.4,2
2.8,2.1 and 1.3 gram taza's.A 3.4 gram GAO individual and a 3 x 5 and 4 x 6 riker boxes.Please no naysay emails,especially BK.I have done this just because I like to do it and I can bring some people a little joy to enhance thier collections.Offlist and free shipping.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Oct 30 13:37:00 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:37:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 72nd Annual Meeting of the Meteoritical Society
Message-ID: <200810301737.KAA20945@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2009/

72nd Annual Meeting of the Meteoritical Society 
July 13-18, 2009 
Nancy, France

------------------------------------------------------------------------
FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT - OCTOBER 2008
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Hosted by
Centre de Recherches P?trographiques
   et G?ochimiques
Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique
Nancy Universit?

Sponsored by
Lunar and Planetary Institute
Barringer Crater Company
Cameca Instruments
Centre National d'Etudes Spatiales
Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique
Institut National des Sciences de l'Univers
Minist?re de L'Enseignement Sup?rieur
   et de la Recherche
Nancy Universit?
NASA Cosmochemistry Program
R?gion Lorraine

Local Organizing
Committee
Marc Chaussidon, Co-Chair,
   CRPG Nancy
Guy Libourel, Co-Chair,
   CRPG, ENSG Nancy
Bernard Marty, Co-Chair,
   CRPG, ENSG Nancy
Christine Boyd-L?cluse,
   CRPG Nancy
Guillaume Caro,
   CRPG Nancy
Michel Champenois,
   CRPG Nancy
C?cile Fabre,
   G2R Nancy
Isabelle Geoffroy,
   CRPG Nancy
B?atrice Luais,
   CRPG Nancy
Johanna Marin,
   CRPG Nancy
Andreas Morlok,
   CRPG Nancy
Johan Villeneuve,
   CRPG Nancy

Scientific Organizing Committee
Francis Albar?de,
   ENS Lyon, France
Addi Bischoff,
   Muenster University, Germany
Marc Chaussidon, Co-Chair,
   CRPG Nancy, France
C?cile Engrand,
   CSNSM Orsay, France
Roger Hewins,
   MNHN Paris, France
Christian Koeberl,
   Wien University, Austria
Guy Libourel, Co-Chair,
   CRPG Nancy, France
Bernard Marty, Co-Chair,
   CRPG Nancy, France
Alessandro Morbidelli,
   CNRS Nice, France
Hiroko Nagahara,
   Tokyo University, Japan
Herbert Palme,
   Koln University, Germany
Fran?ois Robert,
   MNHN Paris, France
Sara Russell,
   NHM London, Great Britain
Gopalan Srinivasan,
   Toronto University, Canada
Rainer Wieler,
   ETH Z?rich, Switzerland

------------------------------------------------------------------------
MEETING LOCATION AND DATE
------------------------------------------------------------------------

You are cordially invited to attend the 72nd Annual Meeting of the
Meteoritical Society, to be held July 13-18, 2009, in Nancy, France.
Located in Lorraine in northeast France, the city of Nancy is known all
over the world thanks to Place Stanislas, a magnificent example of
classical French architecture. It is considered the most beautiful royal
square in Europe and the high point of Nancy's outstanding collection of
18th century monuments and is listed on UNESCO's World Heritage List.
Nancy is also a prestigious center of art and architecture, mainly in
response to the work of the "Ecole de Nancy", a group of artists and
architects that worked in the Art Nouveau style at the end of the 19th
century and the early 20th century. To be immersed in this historical
atmosphere, the meeting will be held in the city center, within walking
distance of hotels and the railway station. Visit the Nancy tourist
office <http://www.ot-nancy.fr/> for more information.

Plenary, oral, and poster sessions will be held in two amphitheaters of
the Faculty of Law on the Place Carnot near (~300 m) Place Stanislas in
the center of the city, which will also provide the primary
accommodations for meeting attendees. Scheduled events include a
reception during the registration, a banquet, an award ceremony, and
several excursions. A pre-conference workshop will be held in Nancy the
weekend before the meeting.

 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
    CONTACTS    
------------------------------------------------------------------------
   
     

For further information regarding the format and scientific objectives
of the meeting, contact

    Isabelle Geoffroy, Meeting Secretariat
    CRPG-CNRS
    Nancy Universit?
    B.P. 20
    54501 Vandoeuvre l?s Nancy Cedex, France
    Phone :  +33 3 83 59 42 14
    Fax :  +33 3 83 51 17 98
    E-mail:  metsoc09 at crpg.cnrs-nancy.fr

Conference Organizers

    Marc Chaussidon
    chocho at crpg.cnrs-nancy.fr 

    Guy Libourel
    libou at crpg.cnrs-nancy.fr 

    Bernard Marty
    bmarty at crpg.cnrs-nancy.fr 

For further information regarding meeting logistics and announcements,
please contact

    Kimberly Taylor
    Lunar and Planetary Institute
    phone:  281-486-2151
    e-mail:  taylor at lpi.usra.edu 

------------------------------------------------------------------------
SCHEDULE
------------------------------------------------------------------------
   
     
  March 5, 2009  
Deadline for Indication of Intent forms and
second announcement posted on this website
 
  April 28, 2009  
Deadline for abstract submission
 
  May 28, 2009  
Final announcement with program and abstracts
posted on this website
 
  June 5, 2009  
Deadline for registration at reduced rate
 
  July 10-13, 2009  

Pre-conference field trip to Rochechouart Crater
and Bordeaux wineries

 
  July 11-13, 2009  
Pre-conference workshop on
"Experimentation in Cosmochemistry: From Nebulae to Planets"
 
  July 13-18, 2009  
72nd Annual Meeting of the Meteoritical Society

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Oct 30 13:38:58 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:38:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Mission Status Report - October 29, 2008
Message-ID: <200810301738.KAA21953@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-200  

Phoenix Mission Status Report
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
October 29, 2008

PASADENA, Calif. - NASA'S Phoenix Mars Lander entered safe mode late
yesterday in response to a low-power fault brought on by deteriorating
weather conditions. While engineers anticipated that a fault could occur
due to the diminishing power supply, the lander also unexpectedly
switched to the "B" side of its redundant electronics and shut down one
of its two batteries.

During safe mode, the lander stops non-critical activities and awaits
further instructions from the mission team. Within hours of receiving
information of the safing event, mission engineers at NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., and at Lockheed Martin in
Denver, were able to send commands to restart battery charging. It is
not likely that any energy was lost.

Weather conditions at the landing site in the north polar region of Mars
have deteriorated in recent days, with overnight temperatures falling to
-141F (-96C), and daytime temperatures only as high as -50F (-45C), the
lowest temperatures experienced so far in the mission. A mild dust storm
blowing through the area, along with water-ice clouds, further
complicated the situation by reducing the amount of sunlight reaching
the lander's solar arrays, thereby reducing the amount of power it could
generate. Low temperatures caused the lander's battery heaters to turn
on Tuesday for the first time, creating another drain on precious power
supplies.

Science activities will remain on hold for the next several days to
allow the spacecraft to recharge and conserve power. Attempts to resume
normal operations will not take place before the weekend.

"This is a precarious time for Phoenix," said Phoenix Project Manager
Barry Goldstein of JPL. "We're in the bonus round of the extended
mission, and we're aware that the end could come at any time. The
engineering team is doing all it can to keep the spacecraft alive and
collecting science, but at this point survivability depends on some
factors out of our control, such as the weather and temperatures on Mars."

The ability to communicate with the spacecraft has not been impacted.
However, the team decided to cancel communication sessions Wednesday
morning in order to conserve spacecraft power. The next communication
pass is anticipated at 9:30 p.m. PDT Wednesday.

Yesterday, the mission announced plans to turn off four heaters, one at
a time, in an effort to preserve power. The faults experienced late
Tuesday prompted engineers to command the lander to shut down two
heaters instead of one as originally planned. One of those heaters
warmed electronics for Phoenix's robotic arm, robotic-arm camera, and
thermal and evolved-gas analyzer (TEGA), an instrument that bakes and
sniffs Martian soil to assess volatile ingredients. The second heater
served the lander's pyrotechnic initiation unit, which hasn't been used
since landing. By turning off selected heaters, the mission hopes to
preserve power and prolong the use of the lander's camera and
meteorological instruments.

Originally scheduled to last 90 days, Phoenix has completed a fifth
month of exploration in the Martian arctic. As the Martian northern
hemisphere shifts from summer to autumn, the lander was expected to
generate less power due to fewer hours of sunlight reaching its solar
panels. "It could be a matter of days, or weeks, before the daily power
generated by Phoenix is less than needed to operate the spacecraft,"
said JPL mission manager Chris Lewicki. "We have only a few options left
to reduce the energy usage."

The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith of the University of Arizona,
Tucson, with project management at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and
development partnership at Lockheed Martin, Denver. International
contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of
Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus in
Denmark; the Max Planck Institute in Germany; and the Finnish
Meteorological Institute. The California Institute of Technology in
Pasadena manages JPL for NASA.

Veronica McGregor 818-354-9452
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
Veronica.mcgregor at jpl.nasa.gov 

2008-200


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Oct 30 13:55:29 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:55:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 29, 2008
Message-ID: <200810301755.KAA25515@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
October 29, 2008

o Lineated Valley Fill and Lobate Debris Aprons in Deuteronilus Mensae
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009799_2205

o Wall of Crater in Capri Mensa 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009881_1670

o North Polar Layered Deposits and Dunes in Chasma Boreale 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009905_2650

o Polygon Network and Scalloped Depressions in Western Utopia Planitia
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010034_2250


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

From mlblood at cox.net  Thu Oct 30 16:08:33 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:08:33 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] 10th  Tucson Meteorite Auction 2009
In-Reply-To: <200810301737.KAA20945@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <C52F6251.1B45E%mlblood@cox.net>

The beginnings of the On-Line Tucson Meteorite Auction 2009
Can now be seen at:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AuctionTucson09.html

Note interesting topic to be presented by Jerry Armstrong. Most
Of you do not know how very knowledgeable he is. In our community
He is known only as a great painter of meteorite impacts. However,
He is a world wide recognized astronomer with many significant
Credits. 
        Photos of lots for auction will go up as soon as they get to
Me - oh, and 2 meteorite kits by the famous "Rusty" Bill Mason
Will be door prizes, as well.
        Best whishes, Michael


Save huge $ on gas: http://go4best.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/

Info on Govnt. Spending (BEFORE current "Bail Out"):
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm

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From mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com  Thu Oct 30 17:04:37 2008
From: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com (mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:04:37 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Marjalahti
Message-ID: <1787454419-1225400815-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1631281949-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Anybody have a 50g plus slice for sale?
Matt
----------------------
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

From meteorites at optushome.com.au  Fri Oct 31 02:09:52 2008
From: meteorites at optushome.com.au (Norbert & Heike Kammel)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:09:52 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Only 25 hrs to go! LOW Aussie Dollar - your
 gain. Golden October Sale!
Message-ID: <490AA130.5030600@optushome.com.au>

Hello Folks,

based on San Francisco time our *'Golden October Sale' will end in about 
25 hrs*!
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our website* in *AUSSIE DOLLARS*, *not US $*!
And yes, this is an *enormous saving* for you in the States,  Europe and 
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Logo* on our website.
Our apologies to those of you who miss out, because others were faster 
or they didn't read their meteorite list emails.

Thanks to all who already did their shopping at our's.

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 07:39:43 2008
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:39:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Forbes article with Casper resource
In-Reply-To: <2E20F18B53E54AE1864F9ED3676EE59C@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <932031.13777.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The fact that he is a thief, has stolen meteorites from many people, French, Italians, Russians, Americans etc. I won a lawsuit against him, of course, he has not paid me yet, that is a start. 
He was never a meteorite collector, just a virus, that came on, took everything, sold it off as fast as he could, and went out with a bang by ripping everyone he could off.
Michael Farmer, from very cold, Munich show.


--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Dave Gheesling <dave at fallingrocks.com> wrote:

> From: Dave Gheesling <dave at fallingrocks.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Forbes article with Casper resource
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 8:21 AM
> All,
> I've been contacted by the author of this article and
> am requesting brief,
> bulleted comments from all who care to contribute before
> responding to him.
> There were obviously many points which were well off base,
> but there's no
> point in leaving any stone unturned (no pun intended)
> before sending a
> complete and accurate reply.  He genuinely seems to want to
> correct the
> mistakes in his article, and that's good.  Part of my
> response will be the
> recommendation of better resources, and he's
> specifically asked for the
> reasons why Casper isn't a good one.  Have at it...
> Best regards, and thanks in advance,
> Dave
> 
> Dave Gheesling
> IMCA #5967
> www.fallingrocks.com 
> 
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Oct 31 10:30:39 2008
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:30:39 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Angrites hot under the colar
In-Reply-To: <1787454419-1225400815-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1631281949-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1787454419-1225400815-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1631281949-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <uf5mg4th3kfqd51jad7ruajp325otom939@4ax.com>

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081030-planet-formation.html

Ancient Meteorites Give Clues to Planet Formation
By SPACE.com staff

posted: 30 October 2008
02:04 pm ET

Meteorites that are among the oldest rocks ever found have provided new clues
about the conditions that existed at the beginning of the solar system, solving
a longstanding mystery and overturning some accepted ideas about the way planets
form.

The ancient meteorites, called angrites, still contain magnetic records about
the very early history of planets, like disk drives salvaged from an ancient
computer, new research by MIT planetary scientist Benjamin P. Weiss indicates.

The results of the study, which was by a grant from the National Science
Foundation's Instrumentation and Facilities Program, are detailed in the Oct. 31
issue of the journal Science.

The analysis showed that surprisingly, during the formation of the solar system,
when dust and rubble in a disk around the sun collided and stuck together to
form ever-larger rocks and eventually the planets we know today, even objects
much smaller than planets ? just 100 miles (160 kilometers) across or so ? were
large enough to melt almost completely.

This total melting of the planet-forming chunks of rock, called planetesimals,
caused their constituents to separate out, with lighter materials including
silicates floating to the surface and eventually forming a crust, while heavier
iron-rich material sank down to the core, where it began swirling around to
produce a magnetic dynamo. The researchers were able to study traces of the
magnetic fields produced by that dynamo, now recorded in the meteorites that
fell to Earth.

"The magnetism in meteorites has been a longstanding mystery," Weiss said, and
the realization that such small bodies could have melted and formed magnetic
dynamos is a major step toward solving that riddle.

Until relatively recently, it was commonly thought that the planetesimals ?
similar to the asteroids seen in the solar system today ? that came together to
build planets were "just homogenous, unmelted rocky material, with no
large-scale structure," Weiss said. "Now we're realizing that many of the things
that were forming planets were mini-planets themselves, with crusts and mantles
and cores."

That could change theorists' picture of how the planets themselves took shape.

If the smaller bodies were already molten as they slammed together to build up
larger planet-sized bodies, that could "significantly change our understanding"
of the processes that took place in the early years of the nascent planets, as
their internal structures were forming, Weiss said. This could have implications
for how different minerals are distributed in the Earth's crust, mantle and core
today, for example.

"Events happened surprisingly fast at the beginning of the solar system," Weiss
said. Some of the angrite meteorites in this study formed just 3 million years
after the birth of the solar system itself, 4,568 million years ago, and show
signs that their parent body had a magnetic field that was 20 to 40 percent as
strong as Earth's today.

"We are used to thinking of dynamo magnetic fields in rocky bodies as uncommon
phenomena today," Weiss said. "But it may be that short-lived planetesimal
dynamos were widespread in the early solar system."



http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/1030/2

First Planets Lived Fast and Died Young

By Phil Berardelli
ScienceNOW Daily News
30 October 2008
Surprising findings from some of the oldest known meteorites suggest that our
solar system was once chock-full of miniature planets, complete with metallic
cores and rocky crusts. The findings could force a rethinking of how the solar
system and its constituent bodies evolved.

Some 4.568 billion years ago, our sun and solar system condensed out of a
primordial cloud of dust and gas. Within about 3 million years, small, rocky
objects called planetesimals were circulating in the nascent solar system.
Fragments of these planetesimals remain today as meteorites called achondrites,
which scientists have pored over for clues to how planets formed. Oddly, the
meteorites are magnetic, which is strange because the planetesimals were
supposed to be just large agglomerations of rubble.

A U.S.-Canadian team took a new approach to the problem, testing samples of
three well-preserved achondrite meteorites with an extremely sensitive
magnetometer. What they discovered stunned them: The meteorites showed evidence
of ancient magnetic fields similar to those of rocks formed on Earth within the
planet's magnetic field. In other words, the team reports this week in Science,
the 4.565-billion-year-old meteorites once were part of bodies that were either
big enough or hot enough to produce central, molten, metallic cores.

"The meteorites, therefore, are essentially magnetic recording tapes," says
planetary scientist and lead author Benjamin Weiss of the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology in Cambridge. The magnetic fields that they recorded
were probably generated by molten metal swirling around inside the planet's core
like a giant, rotating dynamo, as happens on Earth. Although most asteroids now
are rocky through and through, the new findings suggest that back at the
beginning of the solar system even planetesimals could melt at their cores and
retain a rocky crust. These bodies could be as small as 160 kilometers in
diameter, the research suggests. The planetesimals, which eventually merged to
form the rocky planets, were more planetlike than previously thought, with cores
that must have formed and melted within just a few million years of the
formation of the solar system, Weiss says.

The paper "makes a good case," says planetary scientist David Stevenson of the
California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. Although dynamos are thought to
require large planetary cores, it's possible that the 



for those with access to _Science_ full text:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/322/5902/713


and here's a related PDF:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/2143.pdf

From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 31 10:15:27 2008
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:15:27 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Angrites hot under the colar
In-Reply-To: <uf5mg4th3kfqd51jad7ruajp325otom939@4ax.com>
References: <1787454419-1225400815-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1631281949-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<uf5mg4th3kfqd51jad7ruajp325otom939@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W44C90151EF16E8F932FE3F8200@phx.gbl>


Hi, Darren and List,

You would think then, that there would be more angrite meteorites found, and chondrules in meteorites would be more rare...?

Cheers,
Pete




> From: cynapse at charter.net
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:30:39 -0500
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Angrites hot under the colar
>
> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081030-planet-formation.html
>
> Ancient Meteorites Give Clues to Planet Formation
> By SPACE.com staff
>
> posted: 30 October 2008
> 02:04 pm ET
>
> Meteorites that are among the oldest rocks ever found have provided new clues
> about the conditions that existed at the beginning of the solar system, solving
> a longstanding mystery and overturning some accepted ideas about the way planets
> form.
>
> The ancient meteorites, called angrites, still contain magnetic records about
> the very early history of planets, like disk drives salvaged from an ancient
> computer, new research by MIT planetary scientist Benjamin P. Weiss indicates.
>
> The results of the study, which was by a grant from the National Science
> Foundation's Instrumentation and Facilities Program, are detailed in the Oct. 31
> issue of the journal Science.
>
> The analysis showed that surprisingly, during the formation of the solar system,
> when dust and rubble in a disk around the sun collided and stuck together to
> form ever-larger rocks and eventually the planets we know today, even objects
> much smaller than planets ? just 100 miles (160 kilometers) across or so ? were
> large enough to melt almost completely.
>
> This total melting of the planet-forming chunks of rock, called planetesimals,
> caused their constituents to separate out, with lighter materials including
> silicates floating to the surface and eventually forming a crust, while heavier
> iron-rich material sank down to the core, where it began swirling around to
> produce a magnetic dynamo. The researchers were able to study traces of the
> magnetic fields produced by that dynamo, now recorded in the meteorites that
> fell to Earth.
>
> "The magnetism in meteorites has been a longstanding mystery," Weiss said, and
> the realization that such small bodies could have melted and formed magnetic
> dynamos is a major step toward solving that riddle.
>
> Until relatively recently, it was commonly thought that the planetesimals ?
> similar to the asteroids seen in the solar system today ? that came together to
> build planets were "just homogenous, unmelted rocky material, with no
> large-scale structure," Weiss said. "Now we're realizing that many of the things
> that were forming planets were mini-planets themselves, with crusts and mantles
> and cores."
>
> That could change theorists' picture of how the planets themselves took shape.
>
> If the smaller bodies were already molten as they slammed together to build up
> larger planet-sized bodies, that could "significantly change our understanding"
> of the processes that took place in the early years of the nascent planets, as
> their internal structures were forming, Weiss said. This could have implications
> for how different minerals are distributed in the Earth's crust, mantle and core
> today, for example.
>
> "Events happened surprisingly fast at the beginning of the solar system," Weiss
> said. Some of the angrite meteorites in this study formed just 3 million years
> after the birth of the solar system itself, 4,568 million years ago, and show
> signs that their parent body had a magnetic field that was 20 to 40 percent as
> strong as Earth's today.
>
> "We are used to thinking of dynamo magnetic fields in rocky bodies as uncommon
> phenomena today," Weiss said. "But it may be that short-lived planetesimal
> dynamos were widespread in the early solar system."
>
>
>
> http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/1030/2
>
> First Planets Lived Fast and Died Young
>
> By Phil Berardelli
> ScienceNOW Daily News
> 30 October 2008
> Surprising findings from some of the oldest known meteorites suggest that our
> solar system was once chock-full of miniature planets, complete with metallic
> cores and rocky crusts. The findings could force a rethinking of how the solar
> system and its constituent bodies evolved.
>
> Some 4.568 billion years ago, our sun and solar system condensed out of a
> primordial cloud of dust and gas. Within about 3 million years, small, rocky
> objects called planetesimals were circulating in the nascent solar system.
> Fragments of these planetesimals remain today as meteorites called achondrites,
> which scientists have pored over for clues to how planets formed. Oddly, the
> meteorites are magnetic, which is strange because the planetesimals were
> supposed to be just large agglomerations of rubble.
>
> A U.S.-Canadian team took a new approach to the problem, testing samples of
> three well-preserved achondrite meteorites with an extremely sensitive
> magnetometer. What they discovered stunned them: The meteorites showed evidence
> of ancient magnetic fields similar to those of rocks formed on Earth within the
> planet's magnetic field. In other words, the team reports this week in Science,
> the 4.565-billion-year-old meteorites once were part of bodies that were either
> big enough or hot enough to produce central, molten, metallic cores.
>
> "The meteorites, therefore, are essentially magnetic recording tapes," says
> planetary scientist and lead author Benjamin Weiss of the Massachusetts
> Institute of Technology in Cambridge. The magnetic fields that they recorded
> were probably generated by molten metal swirling around inside the planet's core
> like a giant, rotating dynamo, as happens on Earth. Although most asteroids now
> are rocky through and through, the new findings suggest that back at the
> beginning of the solar system even planetesimals could melt at their cores and
> retain a rocky crust. These bodies could be as small as 160 kilometers in
> diameter, the research suggests. The planetesimals, which eventually merged to
> form the rocky planets, were more planetlike than previously thought, with cores
> that must have formed and melted within just a few million years of the
> formation of the solar system, Weiss says.
>
> The paper "makes a good case," says planetary scientist David Stevenson of the
> California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. Although dynamos are thought to
> require large planetary cores, it's possible that the
>
>
>
> for those with access to _Science_ full text:
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/322/5902/713
>
>
> and here's a related PDF:
>
> http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/2143.pdf
> ______________________________________________
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From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 11:17:32 2008
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:17:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Impact extinction events accelerate evolution?
Message-ID: <501925.62525.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

  Was it the repeated impact events in the primordial soup that caused the chemical changes that sparked the creation of life on earth?
  Current science shows that environmental factors cause mutations in DNA. Instead of being detrimental to life and genetic diversity. Might the repeated impact extinction events ,actually caused an increase in genetic mutations? Or do the mutation rates remain the same?
  Have there been any studies done where the conditions after an extinction event have been recreated over several generations ,to see if there is an increase in mutations over a control group in small mammals?This would probably require subjecting a group of mice to cold conditions,with a near starvation diet in the dark for several years.and comparing the mutation rate to a control group. and also having a group exposed to high temperatures, a starvation diet and high lighting and low light for comparison of genetic mutation rates.
   There may already be such studies out there somewhere. If any list member have any links or further information to them ,this troll would appreciate it!

Have a great day

Steve



      

From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 12:04:48 2008
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:04:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] this day in meteorite history
Message-ID: <243253.78967.qm@web45614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

On the haunted day in meteorite history 

Yanzhuang meteorite impact 
on this day in 1990 in Guangdong, China around 9:45 Beijing time the Yanzhuang meteorite fall was witnessed after a sonic boom was heard. Three stones were recovered by farmers between houses of Yanzhuang village and from a forest path. The total weight discovered from this fall was 3.5 kg. 
The meteorite was later classified as an H6 chondrite. 


another treat that was witnessed this day in meteorite history... 

Djoumine meteorite impact 
Around 18:45 to 19:00 local time, a bright fireball was seen traveling from the southwest to the northeast, accompanied by multiple detonations, two meteorites were recovered by children near the village of Djoumine in 1999. 
At least five other pieces were recovered at a later time within a 4 km long strewn field, with the total mass being around 10 kg. 
this fall was later classified as an H5-6 chondrite. 


Happy Halloween to all and safe travels!


      


From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 13:01:17 2008
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:01:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: LAST SALE- bizarre,
	Rare and Fantastic Items Ending At Auction
Message-ID: <869995.6292.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,

Bizarre, Rare and Fantastic items listed this week. This will be the last set of auctions I run for some time as I moving just over a week from now. As I was going through and packing my collection, I ran into some really odd and rare items.  I decided to list a few them, CHECK THEM OUT -- You will not be disappointed  

SPECIAL NOTE: Prompt Payment after the auction ends would be greatly appreciated as I am moving November 10th.  This will be the last set of auctions I run for some time. I will have no computer access after November 9th until I can re-establich them at my new location which could take weeks.  I do not want to delay shipments so please only bid if you can pay right after the auction ends. Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter.

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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 13:02:30 2008
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:02:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] old collection piece from the man
Message-ID: <367569.53925.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good whats left of it morning list.It is 11:52 am CST.I just aquired an old collection piece from BOB HAAG.It is a 663 gram sikote-alin iron meteorite.I have radically changed my collecting habits again,this time for good.Sa's are like what jim strope told me,"Money in the Bank".I got this beauty for only $600.Less than a buck a gram.With this piece I over 6 kilo's of very nice individuals.I have 2 pics up of it on my homepage of my website.It is the one iron that does not rust and is a great beginner meteorite for the novice collector.Enjoy at your liesure and have a great weekend.Tucson only 4 months to go.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


      

From gmhupe at htn.net  Fri Oct 31 13:24:02 2008
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:24:02 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Angrites hot under the colar
References: <1787454419-1225400815-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1631281949-@bxe202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><uf5mg4th3
	kfqd51jad7ruajp325otom939@4ax.com>
	<BAY141-W44C90151EF16E8F932FE3F8200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <11416B1CDC0B4187954BE8B538A6AFD5@Gregor>

Hi Pete, Darren and List,

Pete states, "You would think then, that there would be more angrite 
meteorites found..."

Of the Angrites I have been fortunate to bring to the meteorite world; NWA 
2999 (and pairings 3159/4931), NWA 4590 "Tamassint" and NWA 4801, both NWA 
4590 and 4801 are extremely friable so they would not have lasted very long 
on the earth's surface if it were not for the lucky nomads who found them in 
the Sahara.

If half of the Angrite meteors which entered earth's atmosphere were similar 
to these, they terrestrialized and disintegrated soon after becoming 
'meteorites'. We are fortunate that such pristine examples have been 
collected for science and collectors alike! To see what I mean, click here 
for some great examples: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

Now if another one could land in my Trick-or-Treat bag tonight! ;-)

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Pete" <rsvp321 at hotmail.com>
To: <cynapse at charter.net>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Angrites hot under the colar



Hi, Darren and List,

You would think then, that there would be more angrite meteorites found, and 
chondrules in meteorites would be more rare...?

Cheers,
Pete




> From: cynapse at charter.net
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:30:39 -0500
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Angrites hot under the colar
>
> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081030-planet-formation.html
>
> Ancient Meteorites Give Clues to Planet Formation
> By SPACE.com staff
>
> posted: 30 October 2008
> 02:04 pm ET
>
> Meteorites that are among the oldest rocks ever found have provided new 
> clues
> about the conditions that existed at the beginning of the solar system, 
> solving
> a longstanding mystery and overturning some accepted ideas about the way 
> planets
> form.
>
> The ancient meteorites, called angrites, still contain magnetic records 
> about
> the very early history of planets, like disk drives salvaged from an 
> ancient
> computer, new research by MIT planetary scientist Benjamin P. Weiss 
> indicates.
>
> The results of the study, which was by a grant from the National Science
> Foundation's Instrumentation and Facilities Program, are detailed in the 
> Oct. 31
> issue of the journal Science.
>
> The analysis showed that surprisingly, during the formation of the solar 
> system,
> when dust and rubble in a disk around the sun collided and stuck together 
> to
> form ever-larger rocks and eventually the planets we know today, even 
> objects
> much smaller than planets ? just 100 miles (160 kilometers) across or so ? 
> were
> large enough to melt almost completely.
>
> This total melting of the planet-forming chunks of rock, called 
> planetesimals,
> caused their constituents to separate out, with lighter materials 
> including
> silicates floating to the surface and eventually forming a crust, while 
> heavier
> iron-rich material sank down to the core, where it began swirling around 
> to
> produce a magnetic dynamo. The researchers were able to study traces of 
> the
> magnetic fields produced by that dynamo, now recorded in the meteorites 
> that
> fell to Earth.
>
> "The magnetism in meteorites has been a longstanding mystery," Weiss said, 
> and
> the realization that such small bodies could have melted and formed 
> magnetic
> dynamos is a major step toward solving that riddle.
>
> Until relatively recently, it was commonly thought that the 
> planetesimals ?
> similar to the asteroids seen in the solar system today ? that came 
> together to
> build planets were "just homogenous, unmelted rocky material, with no
> large-scale structure," Weiss said. "Now we're realizing that many of the 
> things
> that were forming planets were mini-planets themselves, with crusts and 
> mantles
> and cores."
>
> That could change theorists' picture of how the planets themselves took 
> shape.
>
> If the smaller bodies were already molten as they slammed together to 
> build up
> larger planet-sized bodies, that could "significantly change our 
> understanding"
> of the processes that took place in the early years of the nascent 
> planets, as
> their internal structures were forming, Weiss said. This could have 
> implications
> for how different minerals are distributed in the Earth's crust, mantle 
> and core
> today, for example.
>
> "Events happened surprisingly fast at the beginning of the solar system," 
> Weiss
> said. Some of the angrite meteorites in this study formed just 3 million 
> years
> after the birth of the solar system itself, 4,568 million years ago, and 
> show
> signs that their parent body had a magnetic field that was 20 to 40 
> percent as
> strong as Earth's today.
>
> "We are used to thinking of dynamo magnetic fields in rocky bodies as 
> uncommon
> phenomena today," Weiss said. "But it may be that short-lived planetesimal
> dynamos were widespread in the early solar system."
>
>
>
> http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2008/1030/2
>
> First Planets Lived Fast and Died Young
>
> By Phil Berardelli
> ScienceNOW Daily News
> 30 October 2008
> Surprising findings from some of the oldest known meteorites suggest that 
> our
> solar system was once chock-full of miniature planets, complete with 
> metallic
> cores and rocky crusts. The findings could force a rethinking of how the 
> solar
> system and its constituent bodies evolved.
>
> Some 4.568 billion years ago, our sun and solar system condensed out of a
> primordial cloud of dust and gas. Within about 3 million years, small, 
> rocky
> objects called planetesimals were circulating in the nascent solar system.
> Fragments of these planetesimals remain today as meteorites called 
> achondrites,
> which scientists have pored over for clues to how planets formed. Oddly, 
> the
> meteorites are magnetic, which is strange because the planetesimals were
> supposed to be just large agglomerations of rubble.
>
> A U.S.-Canadian team took a new approach to the problem, testing samples 
> of
> three well-preserved achondrite meteorites with an extremely sensitive
> magnetometer. What they discovered stunned them: The meteorites showed 
> evidence
> of ancient magnetic fields similar to those of rocks formed on Earth 
> within the
> planet's magnetic field. In other words, the team reports this week in 
> Science,
> the 4.565-billion-year-old meteorites once were part of bodies that were 
> either
> big enough or hot enough to produce central, molten, metallic cores.
>
> "The meteorites, therefore, are essentially magnetic recording tapes," 
> says
> planetary scientist and lead author Benjamin Weiss of the Massachusetts
> Institute of Technology in Cambridge. The magnetic fields that they 
> recorded
> were probably generated by molten metal swirling around inside the 
> planet's core
> like a giant, rotating dynamo, as happens on Earth. Although most 
> asteroids now
> are rocky through and through, the new findings suggest that back at the
> beginning of the solar system even planetesimals could melt at their cores 
> and
> retain a rocky crust. These bodies could be as small as 160 kilometers in
> diameter, the research suggests. The planetesimals, which eventually 
> merged to
> form the rocky planets, were more planetlike than previously thought, with 
> cores
> that must have formed and melted within just a few million years of the
> formation of the solar system, Weiss says.
>
> The paper "makes a good case," says planetary scientist David Stevenson of 
> the
> California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. Although dynamos are 
> thought to
> require large planetary cores, it's possible that the
>
>
>
> for those with access to _Science_ full text:
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/322/5902/713
>
>
> and here's a related PDF:
>
> http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/pdf/2143.pdf
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 31 13:48:43 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:48:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dawn Journal - October 30, 2008
Message-ID: <200810311748.KAA27413@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal_10_30_08.asp

Dawn Journal
Dr. Marc Rayman
October 30, 2008

Dear Presidawntial Candidawnts,
 
The Dawn spacecraft continues on course and on schedule for its
bold campaign to unexplored worlds. The probe is thrusting gently
with its ion propulsion system, as it has been for most of its
time in space, gradually modifying its path around the Sun.
 
New research in the well-named Department of Recent Earthling
Communications and Knowledge at the increasingly popular Galactic
University of Fatuity and Frivolity (GUFF) has revealed that the
significant majority of these logs written since Dawn's
interplanetary cruise phase commenced on December 17, 2007,
have begun with something similar to that
introductory paragraph. That may not be very surprising, as
humankind would not be able to accomplish this ambitious and
exciting mission without a reliable, ion-propelled spacecraft.
(Note to other readers: for bureaucratic reasons, earthlings have
chosen not to collaborate with more technologically advanced
species on this mission. Rest assured, though, that it's nothing
personal!) Nevertheless, as you will see in a second (assuming you
can read about 800 words per second), this familiar story will
change quite soon, as the typical content of our opening remarks
will no longer be fully applicable. First, let's review what Dawn
has accomplished since the last log besides 28 days of thrusting.
 
On September 29, as its own silent but joyous celebration of its
first anniversary of being in space was
winding down, the spacecraft stopped thrusting so mission
controllers could conduct routine maintenance on components in 2
of its subsystems: attitude control and ion propulsion. (Thrusting
is suspended during these activities principally because the
orientation in which the main antenna is aimed at Earth is
different from the orientation required to point an ion thruster
in the direction needed for changing the craft's course through
space.) Attitude control is responsible for the orientation (known
to engineers as "attitude") of the probe in the zero-gravity of
spaceflight. Despite its name, this subsystem is as pleasant a
member of the onboard crew as any other. Ion propulsion, of
course, reshapes the spacecraft's orbit so it will rendezvous with
distant Vesta and Ceres and maneuver at each to obtain the
precious scientific secrets they hold.
 
Some of the work during this week was to verify that the contents
of the computer memory in certain components remained intact. On
September 30, engineers confirmed that the memory in each of the 2
ion propulsion computer control units was in good condition. On
October 2, the backup star tracker was tested, and it also remains
healthy and ready for use whenever needed. A star tracker helps
the attitude control system determine the orientation of the
spacecraft by imaging groups of stars and recognizing patterns,
much as you might orient yourself on a dark, cloudless night if
you were familiar with the constellations. (Readers who travel
frequently, and hence must keep track of where they are in their
galaxy in order to know what the arrangement of stars should be,
have a more difficult problem than Dawn's star trackers face. The
solar system is so tiny compared to interstellar distances that
the views of the stars remain essentially unaffected by where the
spacecraft is, just as the shapes of constellations are the same
for observers anywhere on Earth.)
 
In addition to performing maintenance on software, the mission
control team needs to keep Dawn's hardware in peak condition. The
3 ion thrusters are mounted on separate mechanical apparatuses
that allow each 8.9-kilogram (19.5-pound) thruster to be pointed
accurately. These thruster gimbal assemblies, known as TGAs to
team members who find themselves too busy to use entire words
(such people are themselves known as being TBTUEW), need to have
lubricant in their bearings redistributed occasionally. Even when
a TGA is in use for an operating thruster (thruster #1 has been
the active one since June, the usual motion
is not enough to accomplish the needed spreading of lubricant.
Therefore, all 3 TGAs were moved through a prescribed pattern,
ensuring that they will be able to continue to operate smoothly
and point correctly.
 
Dawn is outfitted with 4 reaction wheels, devices whose spin is
controlled electrically. Changing a wheel's spin rate allows the
attitude control system to rotate the spacecraft. The wheels are
mounted in different orientations, but any 3 are sufficient for
normal operations. Wheel #3 has been off since May
On October 2, it was powered on again
and wheel #2 was deactivated, beginning its turn as the backup.
 
Gyroscopes, which will help attitude control perform the accurate
pointing of science instruments at the 2 protoplanetary
destinations, normally are turned off, as they are not needed for
most of Dawn's assignments along the way. A few times each year
they do need to be operated to ensure they remain in good
condition. The last such time was in May.
On September 29, the units were
activated again, and they remained powered on until October 3.
 
With all maintenance completed successfully, normal interplanetary
thrusting resumed on October 3. Soon however, interplanetary
thrusting will no longer be the norm. Some of the unusual
principles of an interplanetary journey driven with ion propulsion
were considered in a log written while
Dawn was still gravitationally anchored to Earth. One essential
characteristic of such missions is the long periods of thrusting,
familiar now to those fortunate enough to have followed Dawn's
progress since the beginning of the interplanetary cruise phase.
But, thrusting is not required for the entire voyage; indeed, at
some times thrusting is helpful to the mission and at other times
it would be detrimental. Extensive analysis is devoted to
computing the thrusting schedule, based on factors ranging from
the physical characteristics of the solar system (e.g., the masses
and orbits of Earth, Mars, Vesta, Ceres, and myriad other bodies)
to the capabilities of the spacecraft (e.g., electrical power
available to the ion thrusters to
constraints on when thrusting is not permitted (e.g., during
spacecraft maintenance periods).
 
As hinted obscurely only a second ago, the period in which
thrusting is beneficial for reaching Vesta on schedule is drawing
to a temporary close. For nearly all of the next 7 months, Dawn
will coast in its orbit around the Sun (just as do most objects in
the solar system, including other spacecraft and planets), no
longer mounted atop a bluish-green pillar of xenon ions. Still,
its orbit will change dramatically during this interval, as its
flight by Mars in February will deflect its path through the solar
system. As we shall see in the next log, to achieve exactly the
gravitational bending needed, the spacecraft will execute some
special thrusting in November and again in January, but very
little indeed.
 
The interplanetary cruise phase has gone so smoothly that the
completion of thrusting is being reached somewhat sooner than had
been expected earlier in the mission. Commands already stored in
Dawn's central computer will terminate the thrust on October 31 at
3:22 pm PDT. In the next log, we will discuss a bit about the
process the team used to determine that time, as it bears on
another activity planned for November; contrary to what you might
conclude however, leaving enough time for team members to don
their costumes in preparation for going door to door to collect
Halloween treats was not a factor. (Your correspondent, who
disguises himself in costumes at JPL most days, won't need any
extra time at all tomorrow to outfit himself for perfectly
frightening appearances on Halloween.)
 
Although thrusting will be uncommon over the coming months, there
will be plenty of other news to look forward to in these logs,
including the reversal of Dawn's departure from Earth, the first
attempt to measure the total power generating capability of the
solar arrays, passage of the spacecraft nearly behind the Sun,
plans for and results of the brief visit to Mars, a dramatic
increase in the quality of writing [Note from writer to sponsor:
Now that I've made such a promise to our readers, I hope you'll
come through with that generous raise I've been requesting. Note
from sponsor to writer: OK, you win. We agree to a 2% raise from
the current $0.00 per log, and we will pay 1% of your tuition if
you can buckle down, gain readmission to GUFF, and finally receive
your degree.], and much more.
 
Dawn is 384 million kilometers (238 million miles) from Earth, or
950 times as far as the moon and 2.58 times as far as the Sun.
Radio signals, traveling at the universal limit of the speed of
light, take 43 minutes to make the round trip.


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 31 13:51:34 2008
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:51:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 27-31, 2008
Message-ID: <200810311751.KAA28337@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
October 27-31, 2008

o Channel (Released 27 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081027a

o Semeykin Drainage (Released 28 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081028a

o Linear Ridges (Released 29 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081029a

o Dust Devil Tracks (Released 30 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081030a

o Arcuate Fractures (Released 31 October 2008)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081031a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Fri Oct 31 15:28:14 2008
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:28:14 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Need Help Destroying Earth - Who can suggest a
	good physics simulator?
Message-ID: <5e92b57a32ef457daffe4fd6da30dbe6@ucv1.vhostdns.com>

OK, maybe not destroy earth. Just hurl things at it.

I need a computer model throwing a rock at the atmosphere at 20,000 mph and have an airflow simulator model its breakup and fall pattern. Then do it over and over again 100,000 times to do a monte carlo analysis.

The rock structure needs to be changeable, like highly veined incompetent rock, or competent Ni-Iron.

Angle and speed needs to be a variable also.

Model needs to accommodate friction and slag off. Although, we could cheat on this one and alter the rock structure to compensate.

Main goal, is to plot the landing zone of a flying gravel pit incoming at 20,000 mph

Any ideas where to start? There's probably a linux package that does something like this.  However, the google searches I've done and SAL searches don't look promising.

SAL link http://sal.jyu.fi/index.shtml
shows science aps for Linux 

-mt
IMCA 2760



From mlblood at cox.net  Fri Oct 31 20:45:49 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:45:49 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show "Schedule"
In-Reply-To: <367569.53925.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C530F4CD.1B4FD%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi All,
        Someone contacted me off list re the specific
"schedule" of the Tucson Gem & Mineral Show. I
Wrote him back, then realized there may be a bunch
Of listees who would like the same info. Also, remember
That Meteorite Exchange will be prosting their famous
"Show Guide" closser to the event - that will tell you
Exactly WHERE each and every dealer will be.
        For now, here is the "schedule" as far as the meteorite
Part of it goes:
--
BIRTHDAY BASH : Fri, Feb. 6 - usually about 8PM?
TUCSON METEORITE AUCTION : Sat, Feb. 7
    Jerry Armstrong lecture at 6 PM, Bidding starts at 7:30PM
--
Dealers start trickling in on the weekend preceding the
7th and are mostly all there by Sunday - this year will be
Like Sunday, Feb 1 - most try to open by Sat (this year, Sat,
Jan 31) but some won't get unpacked until Monday (Feb 2)
Many meteorite dealers start packing up to leave by Wed following
The weekend of the Birthday Bash & Meteorite Auction (this year,
That will be Wed, Feb. 11) and all will leave no later than
Sunday the following weekend after the BD Bash and Met.
Auction (this year, Sun, Feb. 15)
        So, as you can see, there is NOT a simple answer. The weekend
Of the Birthday Bash and the Meteorite Auction is the only weekend
ALL meteorite dealers are there, set up and open. (This year, that is
Fri, Feb 6 & Sat, Feb 7). The weekend before & after consists
Of most, but all not there and in various stages of unloading or packing
To leave and many not really "open" some of those days. If you want to
Spend a whole week with the most meteorite dealers present you are
best off from any seven days around and including Feb 6 & 7.
I HOPE this answers your question. As I said, there is no clear
Cut "start" date and the end date IS Sunday, Feb 15 this year - but
Many dealers will have left prior to the official end date.
        Best wishes, Michael
        PS: The On Line Meteorite Auction Catalog is now up and can be seen
at:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AuctionTucson09.html




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From tett at rogers.com  Fri Oct 31 20:58:24 2008
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:58:24 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] cleaning Millbillillie ?
References: <319196.90197.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FDBB17BF3B5342ACBBB601AF5E17F0CB@tett1>

List,

Happy Halloween!

Wondering if anyone has successfully cleaned Millibillillie indivduals.  Can 
one remove some of the red staining to reveal the black glassy fusion crust 
without damaging that crust?

Cheers,

tett 


From tett at rogers.com  Fri Oct 31 21:11:02 2008
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:11:02 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: nice impact melt for sale complete 2116 gr.
References: <319196.90197.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0D8DE268D2EC43D48C07B5294B190DA9@tett1>

Aziz,

Any nice type 3 stuff still available?  Looking for some smaller slices. 
Achondrites.

$100 to $400 range.

Cheers!

Mike Tettenborn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "habibi abdelaziz" <azizhabibi at yahoo.com>
To: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:28 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: nice impact melt for sale complete 2116 gr.


> hi all
> i have this 2116 gr impact melt breccia for sale.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/2967903497/in/set-72157603690033934/
>
> and some nwa 869 complete black purple.
> many other stufs very interesting ,
>
> please email me if you are interested.
>
> all the best
> aziz habibi.
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/
> habibi aziz
> www.palmerfoud.com
> www.palmotel.com
> box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
> phone. 21235576145
> fax.21235576170
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From mlblood at cox.net  Fri Oct 31 22:37:39 2008
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:37:39 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auction catalog up
In-Reply-To: <0D8DE268D2EC43D48C07B5294B190DA9@tett1>
Message-ID: <C5310F03.1B50C%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi All,
        The first photos and lot descriptions are in and the beginning
Of the On Line Catalog for the Tucson Meteorite Auction is now up
and can be seen at:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AuctionTucson09.html

        If anyone would be so kind as to contact me off list and make
Any suggestions I would appreciate it (doesn't mean I will change
Anything, but I very well may if I think it is a better idea)
        I will be adding a "PRINT" version to the catalog when it is
Closer to completion. I intend to stop at 100 or very close to that,
So, now is the time for your entries.
        RSVP
        Thanks, Michael

Save huge $ on gas: http://go4best.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/

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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 23:02:52 2008
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Sell or Trade MAPS Journals (Meteoritics and
	Planetary Science)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.45.1225468925.6996.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <34856.64040.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi folks!

I have 3 issues of the Journal of Meteoritics and Planetary Science available for sale or trade.  This is the
official publication of the Meteoritical Society and it contains the latest in meteorite science, finds, falls,
and classifications.  It also includes, photos, charts, diagrams, etc.  Each issue is about 200 pages.  All 3
issues I am offering are in excellent+ condition - they have been gently read and never neglected or abused.
Covers and pages are still crisp and bindings are tight.

1) April 2008, Volume 43, #4
2) May 2008, Volume 43, #5
3) June 2008, Volume 43, #6

All of these issues are from this year, so the information inside is still fresh. :)

I am asking $15 each, which includes shipping to anywhere in the CONUS.  Overseas or Canadian shipping
is $5 extra.  PayPal only for Overseas sales and PayPal strongly preferred for all sales.

Or, I will trade these 3 journals for any of the following :

(I will also throw in copies of the recent issues of S&T and Astronomy with meteorite articles in them.)

1) a string of meteorite beads (like the ones I see on eBay by some list members)
2) 500 grams of small, dark-crusted, UNWA stones (little ones are fine, but I don't want weathered-up pieces)
3) a small stable pallasite slice (any fall or find, but must have some olivine, doesn't have to weigh much,
but I'd prefer something thin-sliced with good surface area)
4) 500 grams of small Tektites (common indochinites or other relatively common ones are OK)
5) an inexpensive 2-inch star diagonal for a refractor telescope - prefer older metal-body types and not the
type that has plastic parts - standard or enhanced reflectivity is fine as long as the mirror is not scratched.)
6) Some small Howardite fragments (crumbs, any fall or find) - about $40 - $45 worth.
7) Some Tagish Lake crumbs - about $40 - $45 worth.
8) Some Antarctic meteorite crumbs (anything from the ALH or other recognized Antarctic finds) - - about $40 - $45 worth.
9) Some Angrite crumbs - - about $40 - $45 worth.
10) A baby Campo

I prefer to do trades domestically (in the US).

Feel free to contact me with any questions, offers, or photo requests - mike at galactic-stone.com

Thanks for looking and clear skies!

MikeG

PS - I also have Moon Rock and Mars Rock combination displays for sale - each comes in a Riker box
with individual lunar meteorite and martian meteorite fragments.  These are $75 shipped to the CONUS.

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
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