From bristolia at yahoo.com Mon Sep 1 09:03:46 2008 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 06:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Pingualuit (One Last Post Before the Gustav Comes) Message-ID: <456994.63205.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Charles O'Dale wrote: " http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuckexpeditions/2813874599/ I just returned from northern Quebec where I was exploring the Pingualuit impact structure. This image gives you an appreciation for the size of the crater! Some URLs about Pingualuit Impact Crater. St-Onge, G., H. Guyard, R. Pienitz, S. Hausmann, and others, 2007, Preliminary Chronostratigraphy of Pingualuit Impact Crater Lake Sediments (Nunavik, Canada): a Possible Arctic Terrestrial Record of Several Glacial/Interglacial Cycles. Eos Trans. AGU. vol. 88, vol. 52. Fall Meet. Suppl., abstract no. U13B-1150 http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007AGUFM.U13B1150S http://cgrg.geog.uvic.ca/abstracts/St-OngePreliminaryThe.html New Images: Pingualuit Crater, Canada http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=17919 Google Earth - Chubb Crater / New Quebec Crater /PINGALUIT CRATER http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Number/903182 Laval University Paleolimnology and Paleoecology Laboratory. Pingualuit Crater Lake Project. http://www.cen.ulaval.ca/pingualuit/index.html http://www.cen.ulaval.ca/paleo/Projets/Pingualuit/index.html University of Arkansas. (2007, December 11) Arctic Impact Crater Lake Reveals Interglacial Cycles in Sediments. http://dailyheadlines.uark.edu/11974.htm Arctic Impact Crater Lake Reveals Interglacial Cycles In Sediments http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071215212916.htm Pingualuit National Park http://www.fapaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/consultation/pingualuit/ Yours, Paul H. From codale0806 at rogers.com Mon Sep 1 09:22:21 2008 From: codale0806 at rogers.com (Charles O'Dale) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 06:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Distorting the Science of Meteorites Message-ID: <253660.81086.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://www.icr.org/article/4093/ Chuck http://www.ottawa.rasc.ca/articles/odale_chuck/earth_craters/index.html From ebay at biol.uw.edu.pl Mon Sep 1 09:49:46 2008 From: ebay at biol.uw.edu.pl (Woreczko Jan & M.J.W.) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:49:46 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] test References: <253660.81086.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ac01c90c39$99f18020$0e02a8c0@zeus> Ha Test Sorry Woreczko www.woreczko.pl This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. From cynapse at charter.net Mon Sep 1 11:25:18 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:25:18 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] The Impire strikes dust In-Reply-To: <952214.68717.qm@web57810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <952214.68717.qm@web57810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandeventspggrp/imperialcollege/newssummary/news_1-9-2008-9-1-49?newsid=43054 Cosmic connections: Imperial scientist locates the origin of cosmic dust Monday 1 September 2008 The origin of the microscopic meteorites that make up cosmic dust has been revealed for the first time in new research out today (1 September 2008). The research, published in the journal Geology, shows that some of the cosmic dust falling to Earth comes from an ancient asteroid belt between Jupiter and Mars. This research improves our knowledge of the solar system, and could provide a new and inexpensive method for understanding space. Cosmic dust particles, originally from asteroids and comets, are minute pieces of pulverised rock. They measure up to a tenth of a millimetre in size and shroud the solar system in a thin cloud. Studying them is important because their mineral content records the conditions under which asteroids and comets were formed over four and a half billion years ago and provides an insight into the earliest history of our solar system. The study?s author, Dr Mathew Genge, from Imperial College London?s Department of Earth Science and Engineering, has trekked across the globe collecting cosmic dust. He says: ?There are hundreds of billions of extraterrestrial dust particles falling though our skies. This abundant resource is important since these tiny pieces of rock allow us to study distant objects in our solar system without the multi-billion dollar price tag of expensive missions.? The origin of the cosmic dust that lands on Earth has always been unclear. Scientists previously thought that analysing the chemical and mineral content of individual dust particles was the key to tracing their origin. But this study suggests that a comparison of multiple particles gives better results. To pinpoint the cosmic dust?s origin, Dr Genge analysed more than 600 particles, painstakingly cataloguing their chemical and mineral content and reassembling them like a complex jigsaw. Dr Genge comments: Dr Genge's work locates the origin of some cosmic dust ?I?ve been studying these particles for quite a while and had all the pieces of the puzzle, but had been trying to figure out the particles one by one. It was only when I took a step back and looked at the minerals and properties of hundreds of particles that it was obvious where they came from. It was like turning over the envelope and finding the return address on the back.? Dr Genge found that the cosmic dust comes from a family of ancient space rocks called Koronis asteroids, which includes 243 Ida, widely photographed by the NASA Galileo probe. The rocks are located in an asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter and were formed around two billion years ago when a much larger asteroid broke into pieces. Further analysis shows that the dust originates from a smaller grouping of 20 space rocks within the Koronis family called Karin asteroids. It comes from an ancient chondrite rock, common in Karin asteroids, which was formed in space at the birth of the solar system. Chondrite meteorites often fall to Earth and Dr Genge was able to match the mineralogy and chemistry of the dust particles with chondrite meteorite samples previously collected. He backed up the cosmic dust?s origin with infrared astronomical satellite data which showed Karin asteroids grinding and smashing against one another to create cosmic dust. Dr Genge says his research holds exciting possibilities for a deeper understanding of our early solar system. He concedes that analysing space dust will never entirely replace space missions, but adds that we may not have to visit so many different places. He concludes: ?This research is the first time we have successfully demonstrated a way to locate the home of these important little particles. The answer to so many important questions, such as why we are here and are we alone in the universe, may well lie inside a cosmic dust particle. Since they are everywhere, even inside our homes, we don?t necessarily have to blast off the Earth to find those answers. Perhaps they are already next to you, right here and right now.? From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 1 13:12:21 2008 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:12:21 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] The Impire strikes dust References: <952214.68717.qm@web57810.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <027801c90c55$e5747d60$2d42e146@ATARIENGINE> Hi, List The age of the Karin cluster of the Koronis family is 5.75 ? 0.05 million years. This is very young for an asteroidal breakup. The age was determined in 2002, as described in this press release from SwRI: http://www.swri.org/9what/releases/2002/15asteroid.htm There's a good discussion here: http://www.geotimes.org/june02/WebExtra0613.html The asteroid 832 Karin is less than 12 miles in diameter, but was originally more than 20 miles (33 kilometers). 832 Karin contains less than 20% of the mass of the 40-to-90-member cluster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karin_Cluster There is an ongoing argument about the spectral characteristics of the surface of Karin. It is claimed (by some and denied by others) that the surface shows spectral variations with rotation, which would mean that "space weathering" has not re-processed the surface damaged by the impact. Here's one side: http://apollo.cnuce.cnr.it/rossi/publications/Vernazza_etal_832Karin.pdf And here's the other side: http://sasakitakanori.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/karin_antarcticmeteorites_2004.pdf (For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert.) The Karin cluster is no longer the youngest asteroid family. A small one derived from 1270 Datura is dated to only 425,000 years old, and the 11-member Iannini family is younger than 5 million years although the exact age has not yet been determined. Cluster families once thought to be much older -- the Veritas family was dated at 80 million years old -- have been found to be much younger (Veritas at 8.3 to 8.9 million years). One improvement in dating clusters has been the ability to include the Yarkovsky and YORP effects in the calculations. Here's a nice paper on Yarkovsky and YORP effects on the dynamics of asteroid families: http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FIAU%2FIAU2004_IAUC197%2FS1743921304008609a.pdf&code=a0c52e6d39bb0e22d298f403f4d38dc7 The implication is that breakups are much more frequent than formerly believed, that breakups continue to happen and will happen in the (relatively) near future, and that the solar system is not the quiet orderly place we want to think it is. (It's the natural inclination to say "Nothing happening here. Move along. Nothing to see. Keep moving. Move along, please...") We've had this argument right here on The List, about whether the dust particles so easy to collect are actually cosmic dust or industrial dust. Genge's analysis bears directly on this. He is saying that the particle size is so small that individual particles do not constitute a valid sample of the source, but by combining a full analyses of 600 particles into one high-mass "sample," the cosmic origin becomes clear and even precise as to asteroidal source type (a methodologically appealing argument). I'm going to go sweep some asteroid dust off my porch now, while I wait for the next big asteroid breakup... Sterling K. Webb ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Garrison" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Impire strikes dust http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandeventspggrp/imperialcollege/newssummary/news_1-9-2008-9-1-49?newsid=43054 Cosmic connections: Imperial scientist locates the origin of cosmic dust Monday 1 September 2008 The origin of the microscopic meteorites that make up cosmic dust has been revealed for the first time in new research out today (1 September 2008). The research, published in the journal Geology, shows that some of the cosmic dust falling to Earth comes from an ancient asteroid belt between Jupiter and Mars. This research improves our knowledge of the solar system, and could provide a new and inexpensive method for understanding space. Cosmic dust particles, originally from asteroids and comets, are minute pieces of pulverised rock. They measure up to a tenth of a millimetre in size and shroud the solar system in a thin cloud. Studying them is important because their mineral content records the conditions under which asteroids and comets were formed over four and a half billion years ago and provides an insight into the earliest history of our solar system. The study's author, Dr Mathew Genge, from Imperial College London's Department of Earth Science and Engineering, has trekked across the globe collecting cosmic dust. He says: "There are hundreds of billions of extraterrestrial dust particles falling though our skies. This abundant resource is important since these tiny pieces of rock allow us to study distant objects in our solar system without the multi-billion dollar price tag of expensive missions." The origin of the cosmic dust that lands on Earth has always been unclear. Scientists previously thought that analysing the chemical and mineral content of individual dust particles was the key to tracing their origin. But this study suggests that a comparison of multiple particles gives better results. To pinpoint the cosmic dust's origin, Dr Genge analysed more than 600 particles, painstakingly cataloguing their chemical and mineral content and reassembling them like a complex jigsaw. Dr Genge comments: Dr Genge's work locates the origin of some cosmic dust "I've been studying these particles for quite a while and had all the pieces of the puzzle, but had been trying to figure out the particles one by one. It was only when I took a step back and looked at the minerals and properties of hundreds of particles that it was obvious where they came from. It was like turning over the envelope and finding the return address on the back." Dr Genge found that the cosmic dust comes from a family of ancient space rocks called Koronis asteroids, which includes 243 Ida, widely photographed by the NASA Galileo probe. The rocks are located in an asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter and were formed around two billion years ago when a much larger asteroid broke into pieces. Further analysis shows that the dust originates from a smaller grouping of 20 space rocks within the Koronis family called Karin asteroids. It comes from an ancient chondrite rock, common in Karin asteroids, which was formed in space at the birth of the solar system. Chondrite meteorites often fall to Earth and Dr Genge was able to match the mineralogy and chemistry of the dust particles with chondrite meteorite samples previously collected. He backed up the cosmic dust's origin with infrared astronomical satellite data which showed Karin asteroids grinding and smashing against one another to create cosmic dust. Dr Genge says his research holds exciting possibilities for a deeper understanding of our early solar system. He concedes that analysing space dust will never entirely replace space missions, but adds that we may not have to visit so many different places. He concludes: "This research is the first time we have successfully demonstrated a way to locate the home of these important little particles. The answer to so many important questions, such as why we are here and are we alone in the universe, may well lie inside a cosmic dust particle. Since they are everywhere, even inside our homes, we don't necessarily have to blast off the Earth to find those answers. Perhaps they are already next to you, right here and right now." ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From gary at webbers.com Mon Sep 1 16:19:20 2008 From: gary at webbers.com (Gary K. Foote) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:19:20 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] From Gary and CJ Foote Message-ID: <48BC1608.18085.C3B41FD@gary.webbers.com> I tried sending this to all who helped, but my email program said it failed for too many recipients. Yet the mail is no longer in my queue. I hope nobody minds my posting it here in thanks to all who participated in the charity auction for my benefit - Gary ----- Dear Friends, I am writing this email to you [and to all who have helped me deal with my cancer] to thank you for your generosity, positive thoughts and prayers during this recent, most difficult time of my life. It was you who lifted us up and made it possible for us to get through without having to go through bankruptcy, end up homeless, end up living in shelters or worse. There really are no words to express our thanks to you all, but if there were words they would be something like this; "I thank my God upon every rememberance of you, always in every prayer of mine making request for you all with joy, for your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now" Phil. 1:3. Now I know that not all who receive this are believers in Christ, but I will still keep you always in every prayer I make to my God, for your joy and health and for your fellowship in helping to carry us through our trials. Today I am cancer free, though I still struggle with the small things, like sitting down, riding in a car, digesting food properly, computing for any length of time and other physical challenges. I have had three major surgeries since the end of April so this is to be expected and to be endured. I plan to once again begin participating in the Metlist and I.M.C.A. as time allows me. I still have my work to do, most of which is today accomplished while lying down using a specially designed workspace, built by a friend in Vermont. We now live in New Hampshire [once again], close to Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center. My trips to and from Fletcher Allen in Burlington Vermont were too much for me and I had too many negative issues with that facility to continue there. Dartmouth is a fine facility with caring staff and ultra-competent surgeons and practitioners. My faith in them is far above that for Fletcher Allen in Vermont. So know that I am in good hands, recovering a bit each day, and will eventually return to near full functionality, perhaps within another year. Until then and beyond we will remain ever grateful to you all. With eternal gratitude we remain; Your Friends, Gary K. and C.J. Foote From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Mon Sep 1 16:21:02 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 01 Sep 2008 20:21:02 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] From Gary and CJ Foote Message-ID: Hi Gary and C.J. Thank you very much for this wonderful piece of news: "Today I am cancer free" All thumbs up for your and your C.J.'s happy future!!! Bernd To: gary at webbers.com meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com From bobadebt at ec.rr.com Mon Sep 1 16:59:41 2008 From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:59:41 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Zag Auction Ending in 4 Hours Message-ID: I have a nice 8 gram slice of Zag listed on eBay with no reserve and a $1 bid, and the auction ends at 9pm EST http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330265929244 I also wanted to mention that all of the slices listed in my "Premium Zag Slices For Sale" email are either sold or spoken for I still have a small variety of slices available so if you want a nice slice of Zag send an email to bobadebt at ec.rr.com Thanks E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.362) Database version: 5.10600 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From jan at meteorieten.com Mon Sep 1 17:09:05 2008 From: jan at meteorieten.com (Jan Bartels) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:09:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Oriented Gao on Ebay Message-ID: <52027.85.145.6.103.1220303345.squirrel@webmail.uniserver.nl> Listoids. To all Gao freaks: For those who missed our oriented Gao a while ago.... It didn't sell on the list but can be viewed on Ebay ending tomorrow. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170254364428&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=007 It sure is one of the best oriented listed in a long time.. ....and not going cheap but offers welcome. Also check my other item for sale (way off topic but space related) Greets, Jan & Yvonne Bartels www.heavenlybodies.nl Holland Meteorites...close encounters of the best kind From wahlperry at aol.com Mon Sep 1 17:43:18 2008 From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:43:18 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite story on windycitizen.com Message-ID: <8CADA92E1B48EFD-1814-1073@FWM-D16.sysops.aol.com> Hi All, I found a really great story on line about one of our list members. Congratulations ! Sonny http://windycitizen.com/news/hyde-park/2008/08/26/the-mineral-meteor-man From pshugar at clearwire.net Mon Sep 1 17:49:17 2008 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:49:17 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] CANCER FREE Message-ID: <0DB5F7077083448B905257E6352F556A@portable> Gary, Having gone thru a similar situation in Aug of 2000, I know the feeling of relief when the Doctor comes in and utters those four beautiful words............. Your now cancer free!!!!!!!!!! Take care of yourself and have a quick recovery. Pete, IMCA 1733 From AJSnyder at cox.net Mon Sep 1 18:40:52 2008 From: AJSnyder at cox.net (Jay & Annette) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:40:52 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Yellow Dog Mine and Meteorite References: Message-ID: I curious as to why everyone thinks it might be a meteorite? It could be just a good piece of ore, hence the mine photo??? Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Peterson" To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Yellow Dog Mine and Meteorite > If you google a little deeper, you'll find Yellow Dog Mines all over the > place. Hard to know just which one is in the picture without more > information. > > Chris > > ***************************************** > Chris L Peterson > Cloudbait Observatory > http://www.cloudbait.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:21 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Yellow Dog Mine and Meteorite > > >> Mike inquired: "Hmmm ... any ideas on if this might be meteorite related? >> I can't find any info on 'Yellow Dog Mine' and 'meteorite' grouped >> together" >> >> >> Hi Mike and List, >> >> I just googled this 'Yellow Dog Mine' and found it was a mine in >> Michigan. >> *If* this object on the running board of the autombile really is a >> meteorite, >> its substantial size would point towards the anomalous Grand Rapids iron. >> Unfortunately, ... the 114-pound mass of this iron was found in 1883, not >> in the 1910's, but, who knows ...?! >> >> Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Mon Sep 1 18:54:02 2008 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:54:02 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Trade or Sell 1 Kilo Hope Creek, Alaska Message-ID: <20080901225409.507311053E@mailwash5.pair.com> I have a beautiful 1 kilo block of Hope Creek available. It's the only known stone meteorite from Alaska. At this time, my saw is down and I simply don't have the time to slab it down so I am offering it either for trade or for cash. For trades, I am looking for rare historical falls, a larger martian slice or individual, or a nice slice of the Glorieta or Esquel Pallasite. Either retail to retail or wholesale to wholesale trade equivalent. Reasonable wholesale cash offers will also be considered. This is a great piece to slab and re-sell. If interested, please email me privately. Thanks! Best regards, Mike Bandli IMCA #5765 From bcmeteorites at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 18:57:51 2008 From: bcmeteorites at gmail.com (bcmeteorites) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:57:51 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] October Sky and Telescope In-Reply-To: <869165.70784.qm@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ruben, The October issue of Sky and Telescope magazine is on the shelves, I just picked up a copy at Borders today in Colorado Springs. I have just finished reading the article and "hats off" to both you and Geoff for a great article!! Bob Falls Colorado Springs IMCA #2413 -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Ruben Garcia Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:37 PM To: Pete Shugar Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] October Sky and Telescope Oops! I just thought of something. I'm not even sure if Sky & Telescope mag. is on the shelves yet. Steve may be a subscriber, and subscribers will definitely receive it before it makes it to the book stores. Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Ruben Garcia wrote: > From: Ruben Garcia > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] October Sky and Telescope > To: "Pete Shugar" > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 7:26 PM > Hi Pete, > and all others encountering the problem of where to buy Sky > and Telescope Magazine. I've seen S & T magazine at > all Barns & Noble, Walden Books, and even some Walmart > stores. It is a very important science mag. that is almost > always at local libraries too. Here is a link to their > website where I'm pretty sure it can also be purchased. > http://www.skyandtelescope.com/ > > However, if all that fails I'd be glad to help anyone > out that would like the magazine. Just send an email and let > me know... > > Ruben Garcia > Phoenix, Arizona > http://www.mr-meteorite.com > http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v > > > --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Pete Shugar > wrote: > > > From: Pete Shugar > > Subject: [meteorite-list] October Sky and Telescope > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 7:01 PM > > There doesn't seem to be anywhere here in > > Amarillo to by it at. If I paypal the funds to > > someone, can you please get it for me and > > send it to me? > > Thanks, > > Pete IMCA 1733 > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mlblood at cox.net Mon Sep 1 19:06:18 2008 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:06:18 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Word from Down Under In-Reply-To: <027801c90c55$e5747d60$2d42e146@ATARIENGINE> Message-ID: Just got this from Bob Walker who is unable to re-establish his Posting to the list: -- A small update to QMIG this morning - mostly to update the news and to restore some of the broken linx on the articles page Gotta get busy and upload some more pix soon Canya let the list know about me update and ask them to let me know if they find any broken links I need to restore -- Bob's site can be accessed via: http://www.qmig.org/ Bob can be contacted off list at: Bob WALKER Best wishes, Michael From bobadebt at ec.rr.com Mon Sep 1 20:07:53 2008 From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:07:53 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Are My Photography Skills Improving Message-ID: <814539B5E7C246B09200EDC1B31A940B@David> I think I'm starting to figure out how to use my camera to take really good images of meteorites. Opinions and constructive criticism are always welcome so please check out these images and let me know what you think. http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Zag/6grSlice1.jpg http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Zag/6grSlice2.jpg http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Zag/6grSlice3.jpg Thanks E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.362) Database version: 5.10600 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From codale0806 at rogers.com Mon Sep 1 21:03:41 2008 From: codale0806 at rogers.com (Charles O'Dale) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] National Geographic article URL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <429156.46628.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> A request: A little while ago someone published a URL of the National Geographic article on impacts?, and will my trip confusion, I lost it. If someone could forward me the URL, I would sincerely appreciate it. Thanks in advance Chuck From chinaren76 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 2 07:28:40 2008 From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 04:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Main mass of Zunhua for sale Message-ID: <563649.23998.qm@web52709.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello list, My website was updated. More stuff was added, plz see them via, http://www.malanmeteorites.com or, http://www.chinameteorites.com For the main mass of Zunhua, see it, http://www.malanmeteorites.com/Meteoritesforsale/Zunhua_Main_Mass/Zunhua_Main_Mass.html Feel free to give me an offer. Thanks. For the 2nd largest fragment of Zunhua, see it, http://www.malanmeteorites.com/Meteoritesforsale/Zunhua_2nd_Large/Zunhua_2nd_Large.html Feel free to give me an offer too. Thanks again. For all the Zunhua fragments, see it, http://www.malanmeteorites.com/Meteoritesforsale/Zunhua_Wholesale/Zunhua_Whole_Sale.html If you prefer to buy little fragments of Zunhua in bulk, contact me off-list. Best wishes to all, Ma Lan IMCA #8234 Beijing China From drtanuki at yahoo.com Tue Sep 2 07:58:49 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 04:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] coming potential tool for impact and geology research Message-ID: <920097.24148.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> List Members, ? Just came across this article from July when the weather was good and attention was not played on the Internet. New computer/internet tool to provide Earth geological data that will aid geologists and researchers of impacts (mostly very large ones?) once fully completed. Mother Earth naked reveals world's geology By Paul Eccleston Last Updated: 5:01pm?BST?31/07/2008 This is Mother Earth - naked. ?? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtmlxml=/earth/2008/07/31/eaearth131.xml Best Always, Dirk Ross...Tokyo From cynapse at charter.net Tue Sep 2 10:47:05 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:47:05 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientists say solar system simulations show some strange stable situations In-Reply-To: <429156.46628.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <429156.46628.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://arxiv.org/abs/0808.1439v1 Gas disks to gas giants: Simulating the birth of planetary systems Authors: Edward W. Thommes, Soko Matsumura, Frederic A. Rasio (Submitted on 11 Aug 2008) Abstract: The ensemble of now more than 250 discovered planetary systems displays a wide range of masses, orbits and, in multiple systems, dynamical interactions. These represent the end point of a complex sequence of events, wherein an entire protostellar disk converts itself into a small number of planetary bodies. Here, we present self-consistent numerical simulations of this process, which produce results in agreement with some of the key trends observed in the properties of the exoplanets. Analogs to our own solar system do not appear to be common, originating from disks near the boundary between barren and (giant) planet-forming. http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0808/0808.1439v1.pdf From mikewren at gilanet.com Tue Sep 2 11:12:55 2008 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:12:55 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: 40+ Auctions Ending Soon See Highlights...Some Real Nice Pieces! 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Best regards, Charley "Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants !" Hannibal Message: 13 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:03:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles O'Dale Subject: [meteorite-list] National Geographic article URL To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: <429156.46628.qm at web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A request: A little while ago someone published a URL of the National Geographic article on impacts?, and will my trip confusion, I lost it. If someone could forward me the URL, I would sincerely appreciate it. Thanks in advance Chuck From cmb62 at columbus.rr.com Tue Sep 2 13:21:29 2008 From: cmb62 at columbus.rr.com (Charley) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:21:29 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] From Gary & CJ Foote References: Message-ID: <3148A597D0384F31A7E44A52D95F296B@HAL> Hi Gary & CJ, That is awesome news! Wish you the best in a speedy recovery! Best regards, Charley "Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants !" Hannibal Message: 2 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:19:20 -0400 From: "Gary K. Foote" Subject: [meteorite-list] From Gary and CJ Foote To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: <48BC1608.18085.C3B41FD at gary.webbers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I tried sending this to all who helped, but my email program said it failed for too many recipients. Yet the mail is no longer in my queue. I hope nobody minds my posting it here in thanks to all who participated in the charity auction for my benefit - Gary ----- Dear Friends, I am writing this email to you [and to all who have helped me deal with my cancer] to thank you for your generosity, positive thoughts and prayers during this recent, most difficult time of my life. It was you who lifted us up and made it possible for us to get through without having to go through bankruptcy, end up homeless, end up living in shelters or worse. There really are no words to express our thanks to you all, but if there were words they would be something like this; "I thank my God upon every rememberance of you, always in every prayer of mine making request for you all with joy, for your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now" Phil. 1:3. Now I know that not all who receive this are believers in Christ, but I will still keep you always in every prayer I make to my God, for your joy and health and for your fellowship in helping to carry us through our trials. Today I am cancer free, though I still struggle with the small things, like sitting down, riding in a car, digesting food properly, computing for any length of time and other physical challenges. I have had three major surgeries since the end of April so this is to be expected and to be endured. I plan to once again begin participating in the Metlist and I.M.C.A. as time allows me. I still have my work to do, most of which is today accomplished while lying down using a specially designed workspace, built by a friend in Vermont. We now live in New Hampshire [once again], close to Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center. My trips to and from Fletcher Allen in Burlington Vermont were too much for me and I had too many negative issues with that facility to continue there. Dartmouth is a fine facility with caring staff and ultra-competent surgeons and practitioners. My faith in them is far above that for Fletcher Allen in Vermont. So know that I am in good hands, recovering a bit each day, and will eventually return to near full functionality, perhaps within another year. Until then and beyond we will remain ever grateful to you all. With eternal gratitude we remain; Your Friends, Gary K. and C.J. Foote ------------------------------ From Metorman46 at aol.com Tue Sep 2 15:21:28 2008 From: Metorman46 at aol.com (Metorman46 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:21:28 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] From Gary and CJ Foote Message-ID: Hello Gary and C.J.: Thank you for taking time to let us know how you are doing.And i hope C.J. is doing well also.I know life is probably hectic for you now and you are probably very busy trying to make things happen again.Our time isn't always ours it seems so we maybe try to enjoy all we can when we can and "survive"i hope. Great news that you are recovering and free of cancer.I hope we all are.Again, thanks and please post once again so we will know that you are surviving. Best Wishes to you and your family;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Tue Sep 2 19:49:08 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - August 8-14, 2008 Message-ID: <200809022349.QAA00488@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity Eyes Challenges Ahead - sol 1614-1620, August 8-14, 2008: Opportunity faces several challenges on the way out of "Victoria Crater" but continues to make steady progress. The first of these is a traverse of approximately 10 meters (30 feet, a little longer than a double-decker bus) across a sandy, 17-degree slope. Opportunity is more than halfway through that part of the journey. The next is a drive across 30 to 50 meters (100 to 160 feet), depending on the route taken, of rocky outcrop. The final leg of the climb will require Opportunity to cross the ripple surrounding the alcove known as "Duck Bay." Because Opportunity is facing the threat of a drive-motor failure on the left front wheel, the engineering team has been working on pseudo-"Mars time" for the past week to take advantage of extra drive opportunities. Opportunity remains healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected as of the downlink of information from NASA's Odyssey orbiter on sol 1620 (Aug. 14, 2008). Sol-by-sol summary: In addition to measuring daily, dust-related changes in atmospheric clarity with the panoramic camera, Opportunity completed the following activities: Sol 1614 (Aug. 8, 2008): Opportunity took offset, thumbnail images of the sky with the panoramic camera for calibration purposes. With the navigation camera, Opportunity acquired images and six, time-lapse, movie frames in search of clouds. Just before and after ending the day's drive, Opportunity took rearward-looking images with the hazard-avoidance cameras. The rover relayed data to NASA's Odyssey orbiter for transmission to Earth. Sol 1615: In the morning, Opportunity took six, time-lapse, movie frames in search of clouds with the navigation camera and monitored dust on the rover mast. Opportunity acquired image mosaics of targets dubbed "Dawson" and "Barrell" using the panoramic camera. The rover relayed data to Odyssey to be transmitted to Earth. Sol 1616: Opportunity drove 3.05 meters (10.0 feet), stopping mid-drive to acquire images with the navigation camera. The rover acquired images of the surface next to its wheels with the hazard-avoidance cameras as well as two post-drive image mosaics -- a 2-by-1 and 5-by-1 panel -- of its surroundings with the navigation camera. Sol 1617: In the morning, Opportunity completed a survey of rock clasts with the panoramic camera. Before sending data to Odyssey, the rover acquired images with the rear hazard-avoidance cameras. Sol 1618: Opportunity acquired a 2-by-2 mosaic of images with the panoramic camera before driving another 3.17 meters (10.4 feet). Just before and after ending the drive, Opportunity took images with the hazard-avoidance and navigation cameras. Sol 1619: Opportunity took spot images of the sky for calibration purposes with the panoramic camera. After completing the daily assessment of atmospheric dust, Opportunity drove 1.04 meters (3.41 feet). Just before and after ending the drive, the rover took images with the hazard-avoidance cameras of the ground near its wheels. After the drive, Opportunity acquired a 2-by-1 and a 5-by-1 image mosaic of its new location with the navigation camera. The rover communicated with Odyssey before going to sleep. Sol 1620 (Aug. 14, 2008): In the morning, Opportunity acquired six, time-lapse, movie frames in search of clouds with the navigation camera as well as spot images of the sky with the panoramic camera. Later in the day, Opportunity took thumbnail images of the sky and completed a sky survey at high Sun with the panoramic camera. Plans for the following morning called for Opportunity to acquire panoramic-camera images of a rock target known as "du Toit." Odometry: As of sol 1619 (Aug. 13, 2008), Opportunity's total odometry was 11,735.83 meters (7.29 miles). From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Tue Sep 2 19:57:42 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Mars Rover Opportunity Ascends to Level Ground Message-ID: <200809022357.QAA01888@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-168 NASA Mars Rover Opportunity Ascends to Level Ground Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 29, 2008 PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity has climbed out of the large crater that it had been examining from the inside since last September. "The rover is back on flat ground," an engineer who drives it, Paolo Bellutta of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, announced to the mission's international team of scientists and engineers. Opportunity used its own entry tracks from nearly a year ago as the path for a drive of 6.8 meters (22 feet) bringing the rover out over the top of the inner slope and through a sand ripple at the lip of Victoria Crater. The exit drive, conducted late Thursday, completed a series of drives covering 50 meters (164 feet) since the rover team decided about a month ago that it had completed its scientific investigations inside the crater. "We're headed to the next adventure out on the plains of Meridiani," said JPL's John Callas, project manager for Opportunity and its twin Mars rover, Spirit. "We safely got into the crater, we completed our exploration there, and we safely got out. We were concerned that any wheel failure on our aging rover could have left us trapped inside the crater." The Opportunity mission has focused on Victoria Crater for more than half of the 55 months since the rover landed in the Meridiani Planum region of equatorial Mars. The crater spans about 800 meters (half a mile) in diameter and reveals rock layers that hold clues to environmental conditions of the area through an extended period when the rocks were formed and altered. The team selected Victoria as the next major destination after Opportunity exited smaller Endurance Crater in late 2004. The ensuing 22-month traverse to Victoria included stopping for studies along the route and escaping from a sand trap. The rover first reached the rim of Victoria in September 2007. For nearly a year, it then explored partway around the rim, checking for the best entry route and examining from above the rock layers exposed in a series of promontories that punctuate the crater perimeter. Now that Opportunity has finished exploring Victoria Crater and returned to the surrounding plain, the rover team plans to use tools on the robotic arm in coming months to examine an assortment of cobbles -- rocks about fist-size and larger -- that may have been thrown from impacts that dug craters too distant for Opportunity to reach. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, manages the rovers for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington. For images and information about NASA's Opportunity and Spirit Mars rovers, visit http://www.nasa.gov/rovers and http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov Guy Webster Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-6278 guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov 2008-168 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Tue Sep 2 20:00:03 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Mission Conducting Extended Activities on Mars Message-ID: <200809030000.RAA02861@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> NASA Phoenix Mission Conducting Extended Activities on Mars University of Arizona August 29, 2008 TUCSON, Ariz. -- NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander, having completed its 90-day primary mission, is continuing its science collection activities. Science and engineering teams are looking forward to at least another month of Martian exploration. Due to the spacecraft's sufficient power and experiment capacity, NASA announced on July 31 that the mission would continue operations through Sept. 30. Once the lander finishes collecting science data, the mission teams will continue the analysis of the measurements and observations. "We have been successful beyond my wildest dreams, and we're not done yet learning from Mars about its secrets," said Peter Smith, Phoenix principal investigator from The University of Arizona, Tucson. "We are still working to understand the properties and the history of the ice at our landing site on the northern plains of Mars. While the sun has begun to dip below the horizon, we still have power to continue our observations and experiments. And we're hoping to see a gradual change in the Martian weather in the next few weeks," he said. Among the critical questions the Phoenix science team is trying to answer is whether the northern region of Mars could have been a habitable zone. Phoenix has already confirmed the presence of water ice, determined the soil is alkaline and identified magnesium, sodium, potassium, chloride and perchlorate in the soil. Chemical analyses continue even as Phoenix's robotic arm reaches out for more samples to sniff and taste. "It's been gratifying to be able to share the excitement of our exploration with the public through the thousands upon thousands of images that our cameras have taken. They have been available to the public on our web site as soon as they are received on Earth," Smith said. Phoenix's Surface Stereo Imager, Robotic Arm Camera and microscope have returned more than 20,000 pictures since landing day, May 25. The mission's meteorological instruments have made daily atmospheric readings and have watched as the pressure decreases, signaling a change in the season. At least one ice water cloud has been observed and consistent wind patterns have been recorded over the landing site. The team is currently working to diagnose an intermittent interference that has become apparent in the path for gases generated by heating a soil sample in the Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer to reach the instrument's mass spectrometer. Vapors from all samples baked to high temperatures have reached the mass spectrometer so far, however data has shown that the gas flow has been erratic, which is puzzling the scientists. Meanwhile, plans call for Phoenix to widen its deepest trench, called "Stone Soup," to scoop a fresh sample of soil from that depth for analysis in the wet chemistry laboratory of the Microscopy, Electrochemistry and Conductivity Analyzer (MECA). Stone Soup measures about 18 centimeters (7 inches) deep. The first attempt to collect a sample from Stone Soup, on Aug. 26, got 2 to 3 cubic centimeters (half a teaspoon) into the scoop. This was judged to be not quite enough, so delivering a sample was deferred. In coming days the team also plans to have Phoenix test a revised method for handling a sample rich in water-ice. Two such samples earlier stuck inside the scoop. The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith of the University of Arizona, Tucson, with project management at JPL and development partnership at Lockheed Martin, Denver. International contributions are provided by the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; the Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. JPL is a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. WEB LINKS: http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix MEDIA CONTACTS: Sara Hammond, UA (520-626-1974; shammond at lpl.arizona.edu) Guy Webster, NASA Jet Propulsion Lab (818-354-5011; guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov) Dwayne Brown, NASA HQ (202-358-1726; dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov) From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Tue Sep 2 20:04:05 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Analysis Begins on Deepest Soil Sample (Phoenix) Message-ID: <200809030004.RAA04121@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/release.php?ArticleID=1848 Analysis Begins on Deepest Soil Sample Jet Propulsion Laboratory September 01, 2008 TUCSON, Ariz. -- Scientists have begun to analyze a sample of soil delivered to NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander's wet chemistry experiment from the deepest trench dug so far in the Martian arctic plains. Phoenix has also been observing movement of clouds overhead. The lander's robotic arm on Sunday sprinkled a small fraction of the estimated 50 cubic centimeters of soil that had been scooped up from the informally named "Stone Soup" trench on Saturday, the 95th day of the mission. The Stone Soup trench, in the left portion of the lander's active workspace, is approximately 18 centimeters (7 inches) deep. "This is pretty exciting stuff and we are anxious to find out what makes this deeper soil cloddier than the other samples," said Doug Ming, a Phoenix science team member from NASA's Johnson Space Center, Houston. The surface of the vast arctic plain where Phoenix landed on May 25 bears a pattern of polygon-shaped small hummocks, similar to some permafrost terrain on Earth. Scientists are particularly interested in the new sample because it is the first delivered to an analytical instrument from a trench on the margin between two of the polygons, where different material may collect than what has been analyzed from near the center of a polygon. Seen inside Phoenix's scoop Sunday, the sample material from the bottom of the trench displayed clumping characteristics somewhat different from other cloddy soil samples that have been collected and examined. A series of images of fresh soil dug and discarded from Stone Soup trench have given some clues to the composition of the sample. While spectral observations have not produced any sign of water-ice, bigger clumps of soil have shown a texture that could be consistent with elevated concentration of salts in the soil from deep in the trench. The lander's wet chemistry laboratory can identify soluble salts in the soil. The science team has also been studying a movie created from still pictures of the nearby Martian sky showing dramatic water ice clouds moving over the landing site during a 10-minute period on Sol 94 (Aug. 29). "The images were taken as part of a campaign to see clouds and track wind. These are clearly ice clouds," said Mark Lemmon, the lead scientist for the lander's surface stereo imager, from Texas A&M University. The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith of the University of Arizona, Tucson, with project management at JPL and development partnership at Lockheed Martin, Denver. International contributions are provided by the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; the Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. JPL is a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. Additional information on Phoenix is available online at: http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix and at http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu . Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726 NASA Headquarters, Washington dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov Sara Hammond 520-626-1974 University of Arizona, Tucson shammond at lpl.arizona.edu 2008-169 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Tue Sep 2 20:06:19 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - August 27, 2008 Message-ID: <200809030006.RAA05037@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES August 27, 2008 o Structure of the North Polar Layered Deposits http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009293_2645 o Chloride Salt Deposits within a Channel in Terra Sirenum http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009318_1465 o Crater Bound Dunes http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009087_2550 o Inverted Riverbed in Gale Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009149_1750 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Tue Sep 2 20:08:53 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: August 25-29, 2008 Message-ID: <200809030008.RAA06192@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES August 25-29, 2008 o Auqakuh Vallis (Released 25 August 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080825a o Alba Patera (Released 26 August 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080826a o Arabia Terra (Released 27 August 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080827a o Labeatis Fossae (Released 28 August 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080828a o Terra Sabaea (Released 29 August 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080829a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. From webbth1 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 3 00:11:14 2008 From: webbth1 at yahoo.com (Thomas Webb) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad-Ebay Sale-Ends soon Message-ID: <692125.65386.qm@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello list, Take a look at this shocked H5 chondrite. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=230285723130 Thanks, Thomas From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Wed Sep 3 10:01:38 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 03 Sep 2008 14:01:38 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Pallasovka Pallasite Message-ID: Hello Sergey and List, Yesterday I got my two Pallasovka slices (12.22 + 7.68 grams) that I had purchased on EBay from Sergey. Thank you, Sergey for these pallasitic beauties with those remarkably large olivine crystals! Pallasovka is an interesting pallasite for several reasons: 1. Although it is a main group pallasite (MGP), its chromites differ in composition from that of MGP's; 2. This PALLAS-ite fell near the town of PALLAS-ovka. This Russian town was named after Simon Peter PALLAS => Krasnojarsk pallasite; And now a personal observation of something I found in my 12.22-gram slice: 3. There are numerous bubbles (smaller and larger ones) in one of the olivine crystals. The larger bubbles have an average diameter of 0.4 millimeters. Question: Has anyone ever noticed such bubbles in their Pallasovka or any other pallasite? Sergey, you'll find a JPEG attached with this mail. If other list members would like to see these bubbles, just let me know and I'll send you the pic I've taken today. But give me a day or two. I may not be able to send it today as it is my Pauline's 60th birthday and we will be celebrating at a restaurant tonight. Best wishes, Bernd From gary at webbers.com Wed Sep 3 13:32:28 2008 From: gary at webbers.com (Gary K. Foote) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:32:28 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] From Gary & CJ Foote Message-ID: <48BE91EC.27915.1E23E77@gary.webbers.com> Herman and Charley, Thanks so much for your words of encouragement. I'm trying to get out for a walk each day. Today I spent too much time at the bank setting up a new account and their hard chairs did me in, so no walk today. Its funny [not ha-ha, but odd] how my major problems are more related to post-cancer complications and secondary surgeries than to the big one. If it weren't for those I'd be back on my motorcycle enjoying the end of summer! But the time will come, probably next spring, when that will be possible. Meanwhile I've begun recataloging my collection and setting my keepers aside from my sellers. Soon I'll be appearing on an eBay near you. LOL Gary From mikewren at gilanet.com Wed Sep 3 17:39:18 2008 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:39:18 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: 40+ Auctions Ending Today, See Highlights...Some Real Nice Pieces! Message-ID: <200809031541647.SM01564@yourfsyly0jtwn> ________________________________________ From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:08 AM To: 'michael cottingham' Subject: AD:40+ Auctions Ending Soon See Highlights...Some Real Nice Pieces! Hello, I have a good sale going on in my ebay store this week and some really great auctions! Don?t believe me check out the links! This auction run is superb! When I started out in meteorites virtually no one had a selection of meteorites for sale that was this varied and rare! Times have sure changed! ?Also, check out my WORLD CLASS, THIN ESQUEL Slices, if you don?t have the $$$, HOW ABOUT A TRADE? Use This Link to get to home page and check out sale! http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store? HIGHLIGHTS Clink Link and Bid! A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 426g, Nice Big One! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249604161 A Beautiful Meteorite Coin From Argentina http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249604134 (NEW), NWA 5054, Wholesale Lot, L5, 564g, One of My Last Ones! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249604118 One of A Kind, NWA 3157, Ungrouped, 1.05g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589918 (NEW), H4-5, NWA 5056, Nice Slice, 38.54g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589957 Most Sought After! BONITA SPRINGS, FL. 0.54g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589929 Rare Fall BATH, South Dakota, H4, 1.72g, A Nice Rarity http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589968 Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 73.73 gram, Really Cool Slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249593236 (New) Martian Shergottite, NWA 4925, "Mars" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249604091 (NEW) STEINS, New Mexico, L/LL4, 2.14 gram, One of My LAST ONES! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589831 Very Rare CARBO, Mexico, (IID Iron!), 4.44 g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589839 NWA 4295, Rare EL6/7 Enstatite, 11.5 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589840 (NEW), NWA 5054, L5, 35.78 gram, Nice Specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589842 Extremely Rare AKRON (1961), Colorado, LTKW ! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589851 Very Rare WASHOUGAL, Howardite, 0.010g, Only Piece I have and This One Is Super Rare! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589854 (NEW), H4, NWA 5052, Lovely Specimen, 38.95g, Nice Piece. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589858 (NEW), NWA 5053, L4, 150.71 gram, Large Slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589861 Rare AINSWORTH, Nebraska, IIAB Iron, 1.05g, Only Piece I Have! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589863 Near Impossible Rare! OTINAPA, Pallasite, Mexico, RARE, RARE, RARE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249604181 Super Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 0.61g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249596187 Super Rare GEORGETOWN, Australia, 8.48 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249593298 Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 7.32g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249593287 Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 147.69 g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249593273 NWA 4976, H5, Brecciated, 45.50 gram (NEW) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589864 Very Rare SILVERTON, Texas, H4, 9.91 gram, Nice size slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589874 Awesome"Hammer Stone" WORDEN, Michigan, .100g, Super Rare! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589897 Rare Fall From Russia, DORONINSK, H6, 0.45g, Only Specimen I have and impossible to obtain! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589903 Super Rare HAMLET, Indiana, LL4 Fall, 0.12g, One of My Last Ones! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589916 Beautiful GIBEON, IVA Iron Specimen, 18.65g, Lovely Part Slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249596182 (NEW), LA LUZ, New Mexico, H4, LTKW, 1.96g, Very Little Available! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249596196 Seldom Available TWODOT, Montana, H6, 2.81g, Limited Amount! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249596200 One of THE RAREST- HONOLULU, Hawaii, 0.185g, Not much left! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249589940 Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 3.69g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249593260 NWA 2621, L4, Really Nice, 61.15 gram CS, REALLY NICE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249593250 Beautiful Coin/Medal From The Sahara NWA 869 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249604130 Rare LL3.5 Chondrite, NWA 2920, 2.29 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249604156 (NEW) An Amazing LL5, NWA 2380, 46.52 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249604189 (New) NWA 4881, Lunar Feldspathic Specimen http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249604196 VYATKA From Russia, H4/5, 7.23 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200249604146 and a lot more Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From geoking at notkin.net Wed Sep 3 19:45:53 2008 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:45:53 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] October "Sky & Telescope" Message-ID: <8148EF6E-6D26-4659-91A0-690BE37F0089@notkin.net> Dear Listees: A big thank you to everyone who posted compliments about the feature that Ruben and I wrote for this month's "Sky & Telescope." Anyone who knows Ruben knows that he is a blast to work with -- all that energy and enthusiasm. Where does it all come from? : ) This project was Ruben's idea and I was delighted to be asked to co-author with him. Not every day that we meteorite guys manage to slink into a respectable astronomy magazine : ) For those who are interested, the issue is on the newsstands as of yesterday, and should be available at any major news agent or bookstore that carries national magazines. It is the October 2008 issue and carries a story about saving the Hubble telescope on the cover. I'd also like to mention that about half the photos in the feature were taken by my brilliant design and photography assistant (and M- List member) Leigh Anne DelRay, but due to a layout error her photo credits were omitted. An addendum regarding that omission will appear in next month's issue. Anyway, for those of you who read "S&T," I hope you enjoy the piece. With best wishes, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org We DIG Space Rocks? From Impactika at aol.com Thu Sep 4 01:05:00 2008 From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:05:00 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] "Sky & Telescope" and Denver Show. Message-ID: Hello List, Thank you, Geoff and Ruben, for a very nice, well-written article. Yes, it is available, in the States, at least. I picked up a few copies today. If you are in a far corner of the globe and cannot get it, email me off-list and I'll send you a copy. Also, One week from right now the Denver Show will be under-way. For details on the Auction and Party, take a look at my site (_www.IMPACTIKA.com_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com) ), you will find there (along with a lot of updates) a Catalog of what has been entered in the Auction so far, and a link to the COMETS site where you will find a lot more information. Also Fred Hall, who is having problems posting, asked me to post this for him: Once again "Meteorhall" will be set up at the Denver Gem & Mineral Show at the Merchandise Mart, main floor, space 32. I will have many old falls and finds, such as Juvinas, Allen, Dwight, Grady, Marlow. Along with pallasites, a nice assortment of irons, mesosiderites, and some beautiful NWA stones. I usually only sell at the Denver Mineral Show, and this year I will have more of my personal collection for sale. Please stop by, check out the goodies and visit with me. High regards, Fred Hall We certainly hope to see a lot of you here next week. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) -------------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 9/3/2008 5:46:17 PM Mountain Daylight Time, geoking at notkin.net writes: Dear Listees: A big thank you to everyone who posted compliments about the feature that Ruben and I wrote for this month's "Sky & Telescope." Anyone who knows Ruben knows that he is a blast to work with -- all that energy and enthusiasm. Where does it all come from? : ) This project was Ruben's idea and I was delighted to be asked to co-author with him. Not every day that we meteorite guys manage to slink into a respectable astronomy magazine : ) For those who are interested, the issue is on the newsstands as of yesterday, and should be available at any major news agent or bookstore that carries national magazines. It is the October 2008 issue and carries a story about saving the Hubble telescope on the cover. I'd also like to mention that about half the photos in the feature were taken by my brilliant design and photography assistant (and M- List member) Leigh Anne DelRay, but due to a layout error her photo credits were omitted. An addendum regarding that omission will appear in next month's issue. Anyway, for those of you who read "S&T," I hope you enjoy the piece. With best wishes, Geoff N. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From cynapse at charter.net Thu Sep 4 01:07:09 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:07:09 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] The Meteorite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67rub4pdto5fd8mea280lo76eo172a77np@4ax.com> http://www.stonemakerargument.com/ From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 09:54:33 2008 From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] All meteorite books and magazines are shipped! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <278839.61463.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi folks! I ran an ad last week offering several meteorite books, magazines, and journals. Some of you on the list purchased these materials. And before I could get them shipped, Hurricane Gustav forced us to evacuate to Tampa from Houma. I just wanted to let everyone know that I mailed the packages yesterday via Priority Mail. This includes Svend's packages and other international packages to Canada, Germany and beyond. Rest assured, if you are waiting on a package from me - it is on the way, a little late, but it's on the way. :) I would like to thank everyone for their kindness and patience in this matter. Regards, MikeG PS - I evacuated my entire collection and inventory with me. ;) ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .......................................................... **************************************** From meteoriteshow at free.fr Thu Sep 4 10:47:16 2008 From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:47:16 -0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending on saturday Message-ID: <001801c90e9d$2287f6c0$140af90a@T42> Dear fellow listees, After more than a year away from ebay, meteoriteshow is back. Some of you have already seen the first week's auctions that are porposed but most of you haven't. Therefore i wish to let you have the list of meteorites that could come and enrich your collection: The link to reach the whole items listed is: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow Here are now the details: 1/ METEORITE: DAG 573 L4 - 6.7g part. endcut : This is a nice piece of a L4 found on Dar Al Gani, with fusion crust and smoothly polished cut surfaces. Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-DAG-573-L4-6-7g-part-endcut_W0QQitemZ330263546288QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 2/ METEORITE: HaH299 H6 - 2.0g endpiece : This is a nice piece of an H6 ound on Hamada al Hamra, with fusion crust and smoothly polished cut surface. Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-HaH299-H6-2-0g-endpiece_W0QQitemZ330263546366QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 3/ METEORITE: NWA OC - FUSION CRUST - 53.8g indiv : This is a complete unclassified OC with fusion crust that was purchased in Erfoud in May 2008. Quite fresh! Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-NWA-OC-FUSION-CRUST-53-8g-indiv_W0QQitemZ330263546494QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 4/ METEORITE: ORIENTED NWA OC - FUSION CRUST - 39.4g indiv : This is a complete unclassified OC with fusion crust that was purchased in Erfoud in May 2008. Quite fresh! Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-ORIENTED-NWA-OC-FUSION-CRUST-39-4g-indiv_W0QQitemZ330263546632QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 5/ METEORITE: NWA XXX - 0.4g Partslice - HOWARDITE : This is a partslice of an Howardite that was purchased in Erfoud in May 2008. It is currently being examined for classification and the first reaction when the specimen for analyses was received was that it is a beautiful and very fresh Howardite. Of course, all details about classification will be forwarded as soon as available, as well as official name. Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-NWA-XXX-0-4g-Partslice-HOWARDITE_W0QQitemZ330263546540QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 6/ METEORITE: SAH 02500 L3 - 80.4g fragment : This is a fragment of Sahara 02500, a beautiful L3 with fusion crust that was found in the Sahara. Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-SAH-02500-L3-80-4g-fragment_W0QQitemZ330263546707QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 7/ METEORITE: SAH 02501 EUC - 1.9g partslice : This is a partslice of a rare type of Eucrite (see description). Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-SAH-02501-EUC-1-9g-partslice_W0QQitemZ330263546845QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I do not provide more details about these meteorites in that post as you will find all necessary information in the announcements. Fom now on, meteoriteshow will propose again meteorites every weeks on ebay and i hope that you will find the choice large enough. I am currently based in Accra, Ghana, but the meteorites are still being shipped from France, where they are all located. So do not worry about shipment's safety, which will remain the same as usual. Just to give a short explanation about my presence in Ghana, i have decided to go back to this West African country where i had spent 2 years as a French volunteer, teaching mechanical engineering. This was my very first contact with the African continent and my whole life got oriented by this fantastic experience. Therefore i always wanted to come back here and set up a tour agency in order to give a chance to other people to discover this country. The tour egency is now set up and named ABACAR Ltd. and i am planning to organize a tour focused on the Bosumtwi crater. Should this appear to be a good idea to some of you, you can e-mail me any comment to my e-mail address, so that i can do it the best way as possible. Setting up a business in Africa is not an easy challenge and it takes a lot of time, this is why i have not been very active with meteorites all those past months. But i must admit that i am a meteorites' adict and now on my way back! Just one last information (sorry if it is not directly meteorites' oriented); there is a website about my tour agency, that can be seen at www.abacar-tours.com. It is not completely finished but will already give some first idea of the place where i now live, to those of you who are interested. Thanks for checking my auctions on ebay and for bidding of course!!! Best wishes to all of you, Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk Thu Sep 4 10:49:56 2008 From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:49:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: [meteorite-list] Seeking photographer of this Willamette picture in Natural History Museum in N.Y Message-ID: <26596218.4871220539796812.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Greetings listees I've searched thru the archives and can't locate the photographer of this Willamette picture that was linked to within the past year.This is sitting on my website now just for this search purpose http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com/images/willamette.jpg. Could the owner please drop me an email,thank you very much. Jim Brady http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZemeraldisleminerals From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk Thu Sep 4 10:56:29 2008 From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:56:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: [meteorite-list] willamette link corrected Message-ID: <29881560.4971220540189286.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> correct link needs that full stop taken of the end of jpg. so.....http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com/images/willamette.jpg thank you From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 4 13:14:06 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Amateur Astronomers See Perseids Hit the Moon Message-ID: <200809041714.KAA26907@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/02sep_lunarperseids.htm Amateur Astronomers See Perseids Hit the Moon NASA Science News 09.02.2008 Sept. 2, 2008: There's more than one way to watch a meteor shower. One, the old-fashioned way: Find a dark place with starry skies and count the meteors streaking overhead. Two, the new way: Find a dark place with starry skies and then completely ignore the meteors. Instead, watch the Moon. That's where the explosions are. On August 9th, a pair of amateur astronomers on opposite sides of the United States did it the new way. With the Perseid meteor shower just underway, they fixed their cameras on the Moon and watched meteoroids slam into the lunar surface. Silent explosions equivalent to ~100 lbs of TNT produced flashes of light visible a quarter of a million miles away on Earth. It was a good night for "lunar Perseids." "I love watching meteor showers this way," says George Varros, who recorded this impact from his home in Mt. Airy, Maryland: The flash, which lit up a nighttime patch of Mare Nubium (the Sea of Clouds), was a bit dimmer than 7th magnitude--"an easy target for my 8-inch telescope and low-light digital video camera." Hours later, another Perseid struck, on the western shore of Oceanus Procellarum (the Ocean of Storms). This time it was Robert Spellman of Azusa, California, who caught the flash. "It's exciting to witness these explosions in real time," he says. "I used a 10-inch telescope and an off-the-shelf Supercircuits video camera." Rob Suggs of NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office has reviewed the data. "They look real to me," he says. "The flashes appear in multiple video frames and the light curves are similar to other lunar meteors we've recorded in the past." Suggs would know. Along with colleague Bill Cooke, he leads a team at the Marshall Space Flight Center that has recorded more than 100 lunar explosions since 2005. "We monitor lunar meteors in support of NASA's return to the Moon," Suggs says. "The Moon has no atmosphere to protect the surface, so meteoroids crash right into the ground. Our program aims to measure how often that happens and answer the question, what are the risks to astronauts?" NASA's official lunar meteor observatories are located in Alabama and Georgia. Both were off-line on August 9th, so the NASA team didn't see how many Perseids were hitting the Moon that night. "This shows how amateur astronomers can contribute to our research," points out Suggs. "We can't observe the Moon 24-7 from our corner of the USA. Clouds, sunlight, the phase of the Moon???all these factors limit our opportunities. A global network of amateur astronomers monitoring the Moon could, however, approach full coverage." By day, George Varros is a software engineer at NASA headquarters. After work, he takes off his NASA badge, goes home and fires up his self-described "barely adequate" telescope. "Until a few years ago, I really didn't like the Moon because it interfered with my observations of comets and meteors. Then, in 1999 during the Leonid meteor storm, (fellow amateur astronomer) David Dunham photographed six lunar impact events from my backyard in Maryland," Varros recalls. "I was hooked." Dunham's observations inspired not only Varros, but also NASA. "Our own observing program can be traced back to those early amateur observations of lunar Leonids," says Suggs. A major advance in lunar meteor detection came in 2006 in the form of LunarScan, a computer program written by amateur astronomer Pete Gural that searches digital video of the Moon for split-second flashes. Using LunarScan, Varros has bagged at least a dozen lunar meteors. Three of them were observed simultaneously by the NASA team in Alabama, confirming the fidelity of Varros' techniques. (LunarScan may be freely downloaded from Varros' web site ; NASA uses the program, too!) Like Varros, Robert Spellman's interest in lunar meteors began with the Leonids of 1999. "I read about the success of amateurs recording impact flashes," he recalls. "I've been in love with the Moon since my first observation when I was five years old, and I wanted to conduct an observing program with scientific value. Lunar meteors were a natural." Spellman's day job is at the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles and the La Brea tar pits where he works as an educator. He also conducts public astronomy programs three nights a week at the Griffith Observatory. The rest of his evenings he devotes to the Moon. Spellman uses no special software to catch his impacts. "I look for the flashes in real time," he says. "Although it may sound tedious to stare at a blank screen for hours on end, the prospect of seeing an explosion keeps me alert. In future, I do plan to use LunarScan to increase my success rate." Suggs hopes other amateurs will take up this hobby, not only to improve NASA's lunar impact statistics, but also to support the agency's LCROSS mission: In 2009, the Lunar CRater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS) will intentionally dive into the Moon, producing a flash akin to a natural lunar meteor. Unlike natural meteoroids, which hit the Moon in random locations, LCROSS will carefully target a polar crater containing suspected deposits of frozen water. If all goes as planned, the impact will launch debris high above the lunar surface where astronomers can search the ejecta for signs of H2O. The impact flash (if not hidden by crater walls) and the debris plume may be visible to backyard telescopes on Earth: details . Ready for meteor watching--the new way? NASA offers a FAQ and telescope tips to help you get started. Good hunting! From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 4 13:17:07 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rosetta Flyby of Asteroid Steins Press Conference Set for Sept. 6 Message-ID: <200809041717.KAA27706@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://rosetta.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=43347 Rosetta fly-by of asteroid Steins: press conference (first results & images) European Space Agency 04 Sep 2008 First results and images from Rosetta's fly-by of asteroid Steins will be presented at a press conference, which will be webcast live, on Saturday 6 September starting at 12:00 CEST. A number of presentations will be made during the press conference covering the Rosetta mission, the challenge of implementing the fly-by, and the first results and images. Schedule of presentations for the Rosetta Steins Fly-By Press Conference Follow this link to view the press conference: (no special plug-ins are required; the video will be available shortly before the start of the press conference ). Start time Presentation Speaker 12:00 Welcome and introduction David Southwood, Director of Science and Robotic Exploration, ESA 12:10 Rosetta: the status of the mission Gerhard Schwehm, Rosetta Mission Manager & Head of Solar System Science Operations Division, ESA 12:20 Rosetta and the study of asteroids Rita Schulz, Rosetta Project Scientist, ESA 12:30 The fly-by of Steins ??? stretching Rosetta???s limits Andrea Accomazzo, Rosetta Spacecraft Operations Manager, ESA 12:40 Steins: first images and results Uwe Keller, OSIRIS camera Principal Investigator, Max Planck Institut f??r Sonnensystemforschung 12:50 ESA's plans for asteroid and space debris monitoring Gaele Winters, Director of Operations and Infrastructure, ESA 13:00 Questions & Answers session, followed by interview opportunities for the media The press conference will be held at the premises of the European Space Operations Centre (ESA-ESOC), Robert-Bosch Strasse 5, 64293 Darmstadt, Germany From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 4 13:45:19 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - September 3, 2008 Message-ID: <200809041745.KAA00527@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES September 3, 2008 o Evolution of North Polar Dunes http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009233_2535 o Dust Devils Make Their Marks in Gusev Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009319_1650 o Ius Chasma's Floor http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009368_1720 o Defrosted Margin of the North Polar Erg http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009396_2590 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. From meteoritemall at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 14:11:51 2008 From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Thank You List Members! Message-ID: <164964.62308.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, I just wanted to say thank you for all the emails I've received regarding the Sky and Telescope article - Oct. 2008 issue - that Geoff and I wrote. I also wanted to say thanks for over 175,000 views on youtube and 102 subscribers! When I started making videos last July I never thought that in just over a year I'd have made over 25 meteorite related videos and that they would have been so well received. Thanks again, Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v From Metorman46 at aol.com Thu Sep 4 16:11:38 2008 From: Metorman46 at aol.com (Metorman46 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:11:38 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Seeking photographer of this Willamette. Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2008 11:01:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, meteorite-list-request at meteoritecentral.com writes: Seeking photographer of this Willamette Hello Jim;I would be the owner of that picture of the williamette meteorite.I couldn't reach you in private.e-mail at the address below and we'll converse. metorman46 at aol.com Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From ebonyeyes at cox.net Fri Sep 5 18:49:37 2008 From: ebonyeyes at cox.net (Melva Garzelloni) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:49:37 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Thank You List Members! In-Reply-To: <164964.62308.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080904224929.SWUP6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Thank you, Ruben! The videos are great - always entertaining and informative. Isn't it about time for another one. . .? You did a great job on the article as well. Keep up the good work. Melva -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ruben Garcia Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:12 AM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Thank You List Members! Hi all, I just wanted to say thank you for all the emails I've received regarding the Sky and Telescope article - Oct. 2008 issue - that Geoff and I wrote. I also wanted to say thanks for over 175,000 views on youtube and 102 subscribers! When I started making videos last July I never thought that in just over a year I'd have made over 25 meteorite related videos and that they would have been so well received. Thanks again, Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cynapse at charter.net Thu Sep 4 19:39:01 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:39:01 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lots of meteorite, asteroid, comet, solar system formation related papere In-Reply-To: <67rub4pdto5fd8mea280lo76eo172a77np@4ax.com> References: <67rub4pdto5fd8mea280lo76eo172a77np@4ax.com> Message-ID: http://www.scribd.com/people/documents/1502051/folder/32343 From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 20:38:34 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] our stone pelted planet Message-ID: <520371.45005.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list.Does anyone have an extra copy of OUR STONE PELTED PLANET for a reasonable cost?Off list please. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 4 21:04:29 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Spiky Probe on Phoenix Raises Vapor Quandary Message-ID: <200809050104.SAA15199@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-171 Spiky Probe on NASA Mars Lander Raises Vapor Quandary Jet Propulsion Laboratory September 04, 2008 TUCSON, Ariz. -- A fork-like conductivity probe has sensed humidity rising and falling beside NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander, but when stuck into the ground, its measurements so far indicate soil that is thoroughly and perplexingly dry. "If you have water vapor in the air, every surface exposed to that air will have water molecules adhere to it that are somewhat mobile, even at temperatures well below freezing," said Aaron Zent of NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif., lead scientist for Phoenix's thermal and electroconductivity probe. In below-freezing permafrost terrains on Earth, that thin layer of unfrozen water molecules on soil particles can grow thick enough to support microbial life. One goal for building the conductivity probe and sending it to Mars has been to see whether the permafrost terrain of the Martian arctic has detectable thin films of unfrozen water on soil particles. By gauging how electricity moves through the soil from one prong to another, the probe can detect films of water barely more than one molecule thick. "Phoenix has other tools to find clues about whether water ice at the site has melted in the past, such as identifying minerals in the soil and observing soil particles with microscopes. The conductivity probe is our main tool for checking for present-day soil moisture," said Phoenix Project Scientist Leslie Tamppari of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Preliminary results from the latest insertion of the probe's four needles into the ground, on Wednesday and Thursday, match results from the three similar insertions in the three months since landing. "All the measurements we've made so far are consistent with extremely dry soil," Zent said. "There are no indications of thin films of moisture, and this is puzzling." Three other sets of observations by Phoenix, in addition to the terrestrial permafrost analogy, give reasons for expecting to find thin-film moisture in the soil. One is the conductivity probe's own measurements of relative humidity when the probe is held up in the air. "The relative humidity transitions from near zero to near 100 percent with every day-night cycle, which suggests there's a lot of moisture moving in and out of the soil," Zent said. Another is Phoenix's confirmation of a hard layer containing water-ice about 5 centimeters (2 inches) or so beneath the surface. Also, handling the site's soil with the scoop on Phoenix's robotic arm and observing the disturbed soil show that it has clumping cohesiveness when first scooped up and that this cohesiveness decreases after the scooped soil sits exposed to air for a day or two. One possible explanation for those observations could be thin-film moisture in the ground. The Phoenix team is laying plans for a variation on the experiment of inserting the conductivity probe into the soil. The four successful insertions so far have all been into an undisturbed soil surface. The planned variation is to scoop away some soil first, so the inserted needles will reach closer to the subsurface ice layer. "There should be some amount of unfrozen water attached to the surface of soil particles above the ice," Zent said. "It may be too little to detect, but we haven't inished looking yet." The thermal and electroconductivity probe, built by Decagon Devices Inc., Pullman, Wash., is mounted on Phoenix's robotic arm. The probe is part of the lander's Microscopy, Electrochemistry and Conductivity instrument suite. The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith at the University of Arizona with project management at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., and development partnership at Lockheed Martin in Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus in Denmark; the Max Planck Institute in Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. For more about Phoenix, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix or http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726 NASA Headquarters, Washington dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov Sara Hammond 520-626-1974 University of Arizona, Tucson shammond at lpl.arizona.edu 2008-171 From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Thu Sep 4 21:20:25 2008 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:20:25 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 4, 2008 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_4_2008.html **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From dave at fallingrocks.com Thu Sep 4 21:15:41 2008 From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:15:41 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] FALLING ROCKS signs (ad) Message-ID: <45DC183A32F74B168ED71E167FD620A2@meteorroom> All, Had to have a few of these made up for fun: http://www.fallingrocks.com/logostuff.htm. Prices basically cover costs and include S&H across the pale blue dot... All best, Dave Dave Gheesling IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 21:25:48 2008 From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 4, 2008 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <231182.85012.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry, but not the main mass of Bassikounou, I have seen photos of a 70 + kilo complete stone in Morocco, even made an offer on it. The Moroccans are very good at telling you want you want to hear in order to sell you a meteorite. I got tired of the endless BS over there, have not been back in two years, will not likely ever go back for meteorites again. Incredible stone though. Michael Farmer --- On Thu, 9/4/08, SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com wrote: > From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 4, 2008 > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 7:20 PM > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_4_2008.html > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you > want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From dave at fallingrocks.com Thu Sep 4 21:31:42 2008 From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:31:42 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September 4, 2008 In-Reply-To: <231182.85012.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <231182.85012.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Michael & All, I have no doubt that this one will be trumped in size on an official basis at some point, but rumors of a 64 kg stone that never surfaced, photos of a ~ 10 kg specimen that broke into pieces on impact and several others I've heard haven't materialized yet. "Main mass" is another of those terms that has a bit of an overly broad application, anyway, and I'm with you that it's just a nice complete chondrite if nothing else. Another angle or two are shown here: http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Bassikounou.htm. This point re: main masses might actually make for an interesting thread here. My feeling has always been -- given that it really doesn't matter all that much to start -- that the largest intact mass recovered from a fall (or surviving slicing, etc.) is the main mass. But, to provide a recent example, the 17 kg Chergach which was broken into two pieces on impact has been officially labeled the main mass over the 14 kg individual, which is the largest intact mass. Again, it doesn't matter much really, but which one should it be (that is, of course, before photos of a 90 kg Chergach specimen from overseas showing signs of lunar inclusions in the breccia start circulating across the internet)? And, for the most part, though certainly not in every case, "main mass" is a bit of an overstatement to say the least for NWA classifications yet they are aggressively marketed in that way all of the time. Look forward to some thoughts/comments on this one...could be an interesting topic. All best, and welcome home, Michael, Dave -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:26 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September 4, 2008 Sorry, but not the main mass of Bassikounou, I have seen photos of a 70 + kilo complete stone in Morocco, even made an offer on it. The Moroccans are very good at telling you want you want to hear in order to sell you a meteorite. I got tired of the endless BS over there, have not been back in two years, will not likely ever go back for meteorites again. Incredible stone though. Michael Farmer --- On Thu, 9/4/08, SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com wrote: > From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - > September 4, 2008 > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 7:20 PM > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_4_2008.html > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From dave at fallingrocks.com Thu Sep 4 21:37:57 2008 From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:37:57 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September 4, 2008 In-Reply-To: <231182.85012.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <231182.85012.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Michael & All, As a "PS" to that last note, I want to defend Aziz Habibi, from whom I purchased this stone shortly after it was recovered in the first batch that Mohammed Zeroual acquired not long after the fall. I have no doubt whatsoever that this was at least indeed the main mass at that time, and not even rumors of anything larger surfaced until earlier this year. He did not tell me what I wanted to hear by any means, as this was simply fact at that time. For those to whom it is important to acquire main masses (and there are obviously several collectors in this regard, of which I am one occasionally), there is an inherent and understood risk of an early acquisition by virtue of the possibility (even probability) that larger specimens will later be recovered. It is what it is... Dave -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:26 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September 4, 2008 Sorry, but not the main mass of Bassikounou, I have seen photos of a 70 + kilo complete stone in Morocco, even made an offer on it. The Moroccans are very good at telling you want you want to hear in order to sell you a meteorite. I got tired of the endless BS over there, have not been back in two years, will not likely ever go back for meteorites again. Incredible stone though. Michael Farmer --- On Thu, 9/4/08, SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com wrote: > From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - > September 4, 2008 > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 7:20 PM > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_4_2008.html > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From drtanuki at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 21:50:25 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Book Review: Return to the Moon Message-ID: <635801.24929.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear List Members: The Moon and energy Helium-3 information Book by Harrison H. Schmitt http://www.nss.org/resources/books/non_fiction/review_001_return.html Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo From John at Cabassi.net Thu Sep 4 22:01:18 2008 From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:01:18 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September4, 2008 References: <231182.85012.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006301c90efb$4ee06a00$4564fea9@TITAN> G'Day Dave That is a really nice piece. I also get puzzled over the "Main Mass". We have one here NWA 231 (Provisional), it weighs in at 1048 grams. It's listed at 1054 grams, that's a difference of 6 grams. Not enough for a classification, so I suppose I should send in 20 grams and get this early NWA 231 official. Cheers Johnno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gheesling" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September4, 2008 > Michael & All, > I have no doubt that this one will be trumped in size on an official basis > at some point, but rumors of a 64 kg stone that never surfaced, photos of > a > ~ 10 kg specimen that broke into pieces on impact and several others I've > heard haven't materialized yet. "Main mass" is another of those terms > that > has a bit of an overly broad application, anyway, and I'm with you that > it's > just a nice complete chondrite if nothing else. Another angle or two are > shown here: http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Bassikounou.htm. This > point re: main masses might actually make for an interesting thread here. > My feeling has always been -- given that it really doesn't matter all that > much to start -- that the largest intact mass recovered from a fall (or > surviving slicing, etc.) is the main mass. But, to provide a recent > example, the 17 kg Chergach which was broken into two pieces on impact has > been officially labeled the main mass over the 14 kg individual, which is > the largest intact mass. Again, it doesn't matter much really, but which > one > should it be (that is, of course, before photos of a 90 kg Chergach > specimen > from overseas showing signs of lunar inclusions in the breccia start > circulating across the internet)? And, for the most part, though > certainly > not in every case, "main mass" is a bit of an overstatement to say the > least > for NWA classifications yet they are aggressively marketed in that way all > of the time. Look forward to some thoughts/comments on this one...could > be > an interesting topic. > All best, and welcome home, Michael, > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Farmer > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:26 PM > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the > Day -September > 4, 2008 > > Sorry, but not the main mass of Bassikounou, I have seen photos of a 70 + > kilo complete stone in Morocco, even made an offer on it. > The Moroccans are very good at telling you want you want to hear in order > to > sell you a meteorite. I got tired of the endless BS over there, have not > been back in two years, will not likely ever go back for meteorites again. > Incredible stone though. > Michael Farmer > > > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com wrote: > >> From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - >> September 4, 2008 >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 7:20 PM >> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_4_2008.html >> >> >> >> >> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your >> travel >> deal here. >> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From chinaren76 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 23:14:46 2008 From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September 4, 2008 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <389862.32246.qm@web52708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dave and list, Just say: amazing! Regardless of main mass. Best, Ma Lan Beijing China Web http://www.malanmeteorites.com --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Dave Gheesling wrote: > From: Dave Gheesling > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September 4, 2008 > To: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 9:37 AM > Michael & All, > As a "PS" to that last note, I want to defend > Aziz Habibi, from whom I > purchased this stone shortly after it was recovered in the > first batch that > Mohammed Zeroual acquired not long after the fall. I have > no doubt > whatsoever that this was at least indeed the main mass at > that time, and not > even rumors of anything larger surfaced until earlier this > year. He did not > tell me what I wanted to hear by any means, as this was > simply fact at that > time. For those to whom it is important to acquire main > masses (and there > are obviously several collectors in this regard, of which I > am one > occasionally), there is an inherent and understood risk of > an early > acquisition by virtue of the possibility (even probability) > that larger > specimens will later be recovered. It is what it is... > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On > Behalf Of Michael > Farmer > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:26 PM > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; > SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of > the Day -September > 4, 2008 > > Sorry, but not the main mass of Bassikounou, I have seen > photos of a 70 + > kilo complete stone in Morocco, even made an offer on it. > The Moroccans are very good at telling you want you want to > hear in order to > sell you a meteorite. I got tired of the endless BS over > there, have not > been back in two years, will not likely ever go back for > meteorites again. > Incredible stone though. > Michael Farmer > > > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com > wrote: > > > From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of > the Day - > > September 4, 2008 > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 7:20 PM > > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_4_2008.html > > > > > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where > you want to go. Find your > > travel > > deal here. > > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 07:29:52 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 04:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] erg chech (mali's) freebies Message-ID: <786456.65687.qm@web57809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Good morning list.I finally got my $75 sikote-alin.A very nice piece.I just wish it had not been cleaned (tumbled clean).Still is a nice piece for the price.I have 5 little erg chech's (mali) to give to a new home (FREE PEOPLE).Offlist if interested. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From epgrondine at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 10:47:22 2008 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Return to the Moon Message-ID: <443931.63888.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all - Let's say that we have a 75 meter carbonaceous chondrite headed for the Earth. Let's say that we have both Pan-Starrs and LSST in place. Would either of them be able to detect the approaching Tunguska type impactor in time? Would it reflect enough sun light for their CCDs to detect? If so, how many hours or days of warning would we have before the impactor's arrival? Couldn't Moon based systems provide a longer warning time? E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas From drtanuki at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 11:01:09 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] RTI application on meteor shower lost in space Message-ID: <872625.58077.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Greetings List Members: More information about the meteorite fall and efforts by a fellow meteorite-list member Manoj Pai to get to the facts about the hazards posed by meteorites claimed by Dr. Goyal (GSI) after the meteorite fall in 2006 in India. http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=VE9JQS8yMDA4LzAzLzMwI0FyMDA1MDA=&Mode=HTML&Locale=english-skin-custom Thank you Manoj for all of your efforts concerning this investigation. Dirk Ross...Tokyo From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 5 15:43:30 2008 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:43:30 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Evidence of an Earth-Moon-Mars Family Message-ID: <080601c90f8f$acb39500$2d42e146@ATARIENGINE> Hi, List, It's been a long held belief that all the planets reflect and share the composition of the solar nebula and of the meteorites that derive from it. A new paper suggests that idea may be fundamentally wrong. A study of the crustal composition of the Earth, Mars, and the Moon, (all but the Earth being sampled by the meteorites being knocked off them, of course) reveals that the samarium neodymium isotopic ratios of these bodies are different from those of meteorites from the Zone, using meteorites from Vesta, chosen because it's the largest body in the Zone from which we have plentiful samples. Samarium 147 and samarium 146 decay in the daughter isotopes neodymium 143 and neodymium 142. The elements are lithophiles or rock-lovers, so they remain in the crust. The difference is that the "Earth Family" has 5% to 8% greater concentrations. This enrichment is consistent among the "Earth Family" members, large enough to be significant. This implies, first, that there IS an "Earth Family" and, secondly, that all of the "Earth Family" formed from the same primordial material and that material was not the same as the rest of the primordial material from which the rest of the solar system formed. The enrichment is so great that it had to have happened... Oh, heck, read the articles: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080319140319.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080428081732.htm Now, if we had a sample of Venus... Sterling K. Webb From cynapse at charter.net Fri Sep 5 16:00:57 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:00:57 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] "meteor" finder loses his marbles? In-Reply-To: <45DC183A32F74B168ED71E167FD620A2@meteorroom> References: <45DC183A32F74B168ED71E167FD620A2@meteorroom> Message-ID: Anyone know anything about the "meteorite marbles" mentioned here? http://www.caymannetnews.com/news-9835--6-6---.html From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 16:39:27 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] bassi's not mali's Message-ID: <654085.1308.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi again list.I made an error in my freebies.The bassi's are the freebie'a not the erg chech's.So if you do not want the bassi's I will understand.If you do please let me know so I can keep your address.I have already given away 5 so I have 5 more.Let me know offlist. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 5 17:46:23 2008 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:46:23 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Evidence of an Earth-Moon-Mars Family References: <080601c90f8f$acb39500$2d42e146@ATARIENGINE> Message-ID: <08eb01c90fa0$d8141ab0$2d42e146@ATARIENGINE> Whoops! Darren Garrison posted this article back on March 19! I must have missed it or forgot about it. Wouldn't be the first time... Sorry. Sterling K. Webb --------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sterling K. Webb" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Evidence of an Earth-Moon-Mars Family Hi, List, It's been a long held belief that all the planets reflect and share the composition of the solar nebula and of the meteorites that derive from it. A new paper suggests that idea may be fundamentally wrong. A study of the crustal composition of the Earth, Mars, and the Moon, (all but the Earth being sampled by the meteorites being knocked off them, of course) reveals that the samarium neodymium isotopic ratios of these bodies are different from those of meteorites from the Zone, using meteorites from Vesta, chosen because it's the largest body in the Zone from which we have plentiful samples. Samarium 147 and samarium 146 decay in the daughter isotopes neodymium 143 and neodymium 142. The elements are lithophiles or rock-lovers, so they remain in the crust. The difference is that the "Earth Family" has 5% to 8% greater concentrations. This enrichment is consistent among the "Earth Family" members, large enough to be significant. This implies, first, that there IS an "Earth Family" and, secondly, that all of the "Earth Family" formed from the same primordial material and that material was not the same as the rest of the primordial material from which the rest of the solar system formed. The enrichment is so great that it had to have happened... Oh, heck, read the articles: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080319140319.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080428081732.htm Now, if we had a sample of Venus... Sterling K. Webb ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cynapse at charter.net Fri Sep 5 19:53:10 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:53:10 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Raise a stein to Rosetta In-Reply-To: <786456.65687.qm@web57809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <786456.65687.qm@web57809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYTWTtXEILaiJIO-61MYqWb6Z6igD930RH7G1 ESA spacecraft completes flyby of Steins asteroid By KATRIN SCHIEFER and GEORGE FREY ? 1 hour ago DARMSTADT, Germany (AP) ? The Rosetta deep space probe successfully passed close to an asteroid 250 million miles from Earth, the European Space Agency said Friday night. In a mission that may bring man closer to solving the mystery of the solar system's birth, the craft completed its flyby of the Steins asteroid, also known as Asteroid 2867 ? now in the asteroid belt between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter ? at around 3:15 p.m. EDT. As planned, the spacecraft's signal was lost for about 90 minutes as engineers turned it away from the sun and because the craft was moving too fast for its antennas to transmit. The resumption of the craft's signal transmission was greeted with cheers from ESA engineers and technicians. "We're extremely happy that it worked," mission manager Gerhard Schwehm said, sipping a glass of champagne after the announcement from the control room. "It's a big relief. People can relax a bit now and everything seems fine." Schwehm said the agency would work to get images and other data collected by the probe processed as soon as possible. He said the first images should be released to the public Saturday. "The operation went very well," Paolo Ferri, the head of the solar and planetary missions division and Rosetta flight operations director, said in a short speech after the announcement. "The spacecraft is in exactly the condition we expected, which is good. All indications are that everything was super successful." The timing of the flyby meant the asteroid was illuminated by the sun, making it likely the transmitted images will be clear and sharp for scientists working on the origins of the solar system. "Dead rocks can say a lot," Schwehm said. Astronomers have had to work with limited data from previous passes of asteroids, such as when ESA's Giotto probe swept by Halley's Comet in 1986, photographing long canyons, broad craters and 3,000-foot hills. Steins was Rosetta's first scientific target as flies in the asteroid belt between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter en route to its main destination, the comet 67/P Churyumov-Gerasimenko, which is scheduled for 2014. The probe was launched in March 2004. The European Space Agency is supported by 17 countries, including Germany, France, Ireland and the Netherlands. It cooperates with NASA, the European Union, European national space agencies and international partners. On the Net: * European Space Agency: http://www.esa.int From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Sep 5 21:17:05 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: September 1-5, 2008 Message-ID: <200809060117.SAA04274@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES September 1-5, 2008 o Tempe Terra (Released 01 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080901a o Dark Slope Streaks (Released 02 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080902a o Olympus Mons (Released 03 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080903a o Dunes (Released 04 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080904a o Clanis Vallis (Released 05 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080905a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. From mark at meteorites.cc Sat Sep 6 06:09:11 2008 From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:09:11 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Pictures from NHM London collection In-Reply-To: <200809060117.SAA04274@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <200809060117.SAA04274@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <48C256C7.1040307@meteorites.cc> Morning folks, Members of the British & Irish Meterorite Society (BIMS) yesterday visited the meteorite collection at the Natural History Museum in London. I've posted a page with photos and a little background. http://meteorites.cc/ - first link at the top of the page Best, Mark From michael at spacerocksinc.com Sat Sep 6 08:37:41 2008 From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 05:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 6, 2008 Message-ID: <32237265.794841220704661223.JavaMail.root@mbs9.homesteadmail.com> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_6_2008.html From almitt at kconline.com Sat Sep 6 08:45:49 2008 From: almitt at kconline.com (ALMitt) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:45:49 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Raise a stein to Rosetta In-Reply-To: References: <786456.65687.qm@web57809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C27B7D.5000603@kconline.com> Greetings, Looks like the high resolution camera had a glitch in it during part of the pass of the asteroid. Looks as though they have good images from another camera on board though. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYTWTtXEILaiJIO-61MYqWb6Z6igD9316F0G0 Can't wait to see some images when they are released. Best! --AL Mitterling From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 6 11:38:26 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] bassi's all gone Message-ID: <445722.83634.qm@web57807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Good morning list.As I and my wife get ready to go to wisconsin for a DAY and NIGHT of alcohol consumption,yes we have a hotel,I wanted to let everyone know that all 10 little bassikounou's are gone.They will all be sent out on monday.Congrats to the lucky ones who got them.They all have great blackish-gray crust with a spectacular interior.They range from 2 grams to 8 grams.Also I just was looking thru my case where I keep some of my smaller meteorites,I have a small piece of fusion crust that fell off my slice of portales valley.If someone wants that,be the first one and it's yours.Have a great weekend all. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 6 12:19:59 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] nininger or not Message-ID: <663248.43566.qm@web57814.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi again list.I just got a copy of nininger's out of the sky.This is the original from 1952.In the book on many of the pictures there are references to the various pieces.What I am wondering,is it possible nininger wrote various writings on any of his books?He did not sign this,but alot of the writing looks like his hand writing.Is it possible that he did this?Any help from the nininger experts will help.This book has a sea green cover with a picture of a stoney iron on the front.I also want to thanks mike gilmer for this amazing book for $25. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From cynapse at charter.net Sat Sep 6 14:15:39 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:15:39 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Raise a stein to Rosetta In-Reply-To: <48C27B7D.5000603@kconline.com> References: <786456.65687.qm@web57809.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <48C27B7D.5000603@kconline.com> Message-ID: <64i5c4hpup7cod4qku16dvthitrggqlnvk@4ax.com> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:45:49 -0400, you wrote: > >Can't wait to see some images when they are released. Best! First photos. Looks like it has one biga..., uh, bigrear crater (relative to overall size). http://rosetta.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=43363 From bobadebt at ec.rr.com Sat Sep 6 14:49:58 2008 From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:49:58 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ZAG Slices For Sale *Complete List* Message-ID: <0F1E2A18EDC248B4A9DBC7BA9201567D@David> I finally finished processing the rest of my Zag. I have a variety of slices from 2 grams to 66 grams, some have fusion crust to different degrees I am asking $3 per gram for the slices, $3.50 per gram for slices with a lot of crust on the back and $4 per gram for the last end cut. I will offer discounts for purchases that exceed 200 grams. I have updated my web site page for this material and it can be viewed by clicking this http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/FS%20Zag.htm I didn't have the time to take individual images of each slice but let me assure you that all of them are awesome with great brecciation and lots of metal. If you are interested in any of this material contact me off list at bobadebt at ec.rr.com If you view this page and find the layout difficult to understand, PLEASE let me so I can make it easier to understand. Thanks E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.362) Database version: 5.10640 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From icedance at swbell.net Sat Sep 6 15:26:45 2008 From: icedance at swbell.net (Don Edwards) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ZAG Slices For Sale *Complete List* In-Reply-To: <0F1E2A18EDC248B4A9DBC7BA9201567D@David> Message-ID: <398932.37981.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I recently purchased, and just received, a 16g part slice of Zag from David. It is one with a nice iron inclusion. Very nice specimen, well prepared, and nice quick delivery. Thanks David. Don Edwards Houston, TX From MoritzKarl at t-online.de Sat Sep 6 20:38:37 2008 From: MoritzKarl at t-online.de (MoritzKarl at t-online.de) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:38:37 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending in less than 24 hours Message-ID: <1Kc8IX-0xFULw0@fwd25.aul.t-online.de> Dear List, I have 15 auctions ending on ebay in about 21 hours. All auctions were started at a penny and they include some spectacular specimens. For example: 1.35 gram Dar al Gani 400 lunar partslice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110285087709 32.6 gram Mundrabilla partslice with troilite inclusions perfectly etched http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110285089412 0.94 gram Atoka partslice with some crust - extremely rare US fall http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110285085850 2.5 gram Barwell partslice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110285086187 15.05 gram Estherville partslice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110285088620 two very rare german meteorites: 2.67 gram Obernkirchen iron partslice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110285090662 0.19 gram Ramsdorf fragment http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110285091103 See all auctions at: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriten or a full recap on my website: http://www.m3t3orites.com/ebay.php Thank you all for looking and Good Luck! Regards Moritz Karl Germany visit mo's meteorites at http://www.m3t3orites.com From dave.carothers at cox.net Sat Sep 6 22:00:13 2008 From: dave.carothers at cox.net (Dave Carothers) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:00:13 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Test - Please Ignore Message-ID: Test message. Please delete. From cynapse at charter.net Sat Sep 6 23:03:23 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:03:23 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Long Carolina bays article-- part 1 of 3 In-Reply-To: <0F1E2A18EDC248B4A9DBC7BA9201567D@David> References: <0F1E2A18EDC248B4A9DBC7BA9201567D@David> Message-ID: <82h6c4pgu66hn8pgms71cj0c47qntfkrbm@4ax.com> Hasn't got to the meat of it yet, but it's about Firestone and West and their wackyness. http://hamptonroads.com/2008/09/carolina-bays-explaining-cosmic-mystery From jbaxter112 at pol.net Sat Sep 6 23:35:06 2008 From: jbaxter112 at pol.net (jbaxter112 at pol.net) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Marcin's NWA 5218 Eucrite shock melt breccia Message-ID: <50155.10.250.10.1.1220758506.squirrel@webmail.medscape.com> Hello all, Just thought I would point out this really unusual and beautiful meteorite avaiable at Marcin's site (www.polandmet.com). I just received my slice and it is spectacular. Regards, Jim Baxter From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sun Sep 7 04:57:20 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 07 Sep 2008 08:57:20 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Marcin's NWA 5218 Eucrite shock melt breccia Message-ID: > Just thought I would point out this really unusual and beautiful meteorite > avaiable at Marcin's site (www.polandmet.com). I just received my slice > and it is spectacular. Hi Jim, List and Eucrite Afficionados, Yes, I certainly agree and I am sure I would have purchased one or two slices of this spectacular eucrite but, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure that it is paired with the Hup?s' NWA 3159, of which I already own 2 slices and one individual. It's a feast for one's eyes to behold those white and light gray clasts floating in a dark matrix and those vesicles are surely out of this world. Truly an amazing eucrite! Congrats on your slice! Sunday morning greetings, Bernd From info at meteorites.com.au Sun Sep 7 05:19:36 2008 From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:19:36 +1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Marcin's NWA 5218 Eucrite shock melt breccia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jim, Bernd and all, That was also my thought Bernd. NWA 3159 is a stunning meteorite and locks very much the same as Marcin's NWA 5218. http://www.polandmet.com/_nwa5218.htm http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/nwa3159.html Cheers, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 6:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Marcin's NWA 5218 Eucrite shock melt breccia > Just thought I would point out this really unusual and beautiful meteorite > avaiable at Marcin's site (www.polandmet.com). I just received my slice > and it is spectacular. Hi Jim, List and Eucrite Afficionados, Yes, I certainly agree and I am sure I would have purchased one or two slices of this spectacular eucrite but, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure that it is paired with the Hup?s' NWA 3159, of which I already own 2 slices and one individual. It's a feast for one's eyes to behold those white and light gray clasts floating in a dark matrix and those vesicles are surely out of this world. Truly an amazing eucrite! Congrats on your slice! Sunday morning greetings, Bernd ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From michael at spacerocksinc.com Sun Sep 7 08:54:52 2008 From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 05:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 7, 2008 Message-ID: <2145065.865791220792092808.JavaMail.root@mbs9.homesteadmail.com> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_7_2008.html From marcin at polandmet.com Sun Sep 7 11:29:08 2008 From: marcin at polandmet.com (PolandMET) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:29:08 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Marcin's NWA 5218 Eucrite shock melt breccia References: Message-ID: <002501c910fe$78c7afe0$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9> Hi Jim, Bernd and all, That was also my thought Bernd. NWA 3159 is a stunning meteorite and locks very much the same as Marcin's NWA 5218. Hi Yes, ofcourse NWA5218 is paired with NWA3159 and others (most propably also Mike's and Chladni's stone), but still there is less than 500-600g of this eucrite known (classified) so this make this unusual eucrite much much more rare. -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]----- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) kosmos --------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]-------- From scyphocrinites at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 12:06:14 2008 From: scyphocrinites at yahoo.com (Malek Youssef) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad : Iron's / 8kg OC's Message-ID: <461716.58713.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi All I have available for sale , Iron specimens and 8kg Ordinary Chondrites , please feel free to contact me if interested. Kind Regards M.Yousef From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk Sun Sep 7 12:26:04 2008 From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:26:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD---ebay auctions ending Message-ID: <19980677.20201220804764466.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Greetings listees some may be interested in a handful of auctions ending in the next few hours: of note perhaps: NWA801 CR2 6.6 grams beauty with armoured chondrules currently at $16 a gram http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320294142019 1.98 grams of Gujba lovliness currently at about $28 a gram http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320293906118 NWA2483 2.81 gr---eucrite with white/multicolour clasts BEAUTY-- currently about $7 a gram,worth lots more http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320293947476 see all items at link in my signature congrats Marcin on your beautiful eucrite by the way Jim B http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZemeraldisleminerals From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Sun Sep 7 17:56:56 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid Steins: A Diamond in the Sky (Rosetta) Message-ID: <200809072156.OAA29156@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMNMYO4KKF_index_0.html Steins: A diamond in the sky European Space Agency Rosetta 6 September 2008 The first images from Rosetta's OSIRIS imaging system and VIRTIS infrared spectrometer were derived from raw data this morning and have delivered spectacular results. "Steins looks like a diamond in the sky," said Uwe Keller, Principal Investigator for the OSIRIS imaging system from the Max Planck Institut Fuer Sonnensystemforschung, Lindau. Visible in the image are several small craters on the asteroid, and two huge ones, one of which is 2 km in diameter, indicating that the asteroid must be very old. The images are 50 to 60 pixels in diameter, enough to characterise the shape and other characteristics of the body of the asteroid. Rita Schulz, Rosetta Project Scientist, said, "In the images is a chain of impact craters, which must have formed from recurring impact as the asteroid rotated. The impact may have been caused by a meteoroid stream, or fragments from a shattered small body." The chain is composed of about 7 craters. To determine the age of the asteroid, a count of the craters on the asteroid's surface has been started (the more the number of craters, the older the asteroid). So far, 23 craters have been spotted. >From the images, scientists will try and understand why the asteroid is unusually bright, and how fine grains of the surface regolith are. This will tell them more about how the asteroid formed. Gerhard Schwehm, Mission Manager for Rosetta said, "It looks like a typical asteroid, but it is really fascinating how much we can learn from just the images. This is our first science highlight; we certainly have a lot of promising science ahead of us. I'm already looking forward to encountering our next diamond in the sky, the much bigger Lutetia." The OSIRIS imaging system's Wide Angle Camera (WAC) worked perfectly through the fly-by. The OSIRIS team expects that the images that they will retrieve from the Narrow Angle Camera (NAC) will be of comparable resolution. This will add to the detailed colour information and hence to knowledge of the surface composition. Science team members noted that the Narrow Angle Camera (NAC) appears to have switched to safe mode a few minutes before closest approach, but switched back on after a few hours. The software is programmed to switch to safe mode when certain parameter thresholds are crossed to protect the camera. The team will concentrate investigating the reasons for this anomaly once the science data has been analysed. After analysis of the Rosetta data, Steins will be one of the best-characterised asteroids so far. From pshugar at clearwire.net Sun Sep 7 21:53:40 2008 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:53:40 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcement Message-ID: <3156C1B71B36495EAEE87BADAB4F3CF1@portable> Just to let all know that I have reached a milestone in my meteorite collection. I now have 25 percent of all Texas meteorites. It took just under two years to do it. Pete IMCA 1722 From dmerchan at rochester.rr.com Sun Sep 7 23:26:11 2008 From: dmerchan at rochester.rr.com (Don) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:26:11 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcement References: <3156C1B71B36495EAEE87BADAB4F3CF1@portable> Message-ID: <3A2E639A9D2D45EDBDFC9B2D8920C142@donxplt1> Hi Pete. Do you mean 25% of all meteorite material ever found or fell in Texas, or do you mean you have collected small micro or macro pieces that total 25% of all different documented known Falls and Finds in Texas? Thanks Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Shugar" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:53 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcement > Just to let all know that I have reached a milestone > in my meteorite collection. I now have 25 percent of all Texas > meteorites. It took just under two years to do it. > Pete IMCA 1722 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1657 - Release Date: 9/6/2008 > 8:07 PM > > From cynapse at charter.net Mon Sep 8 00:42:12 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:42:12 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Long Carolina bays article-- part 2 of 3 In-Reply-To: <82h6c4pgu66hn8pgms71cj0c47qntfkrbm@4ax.com> References: <0F1E2A18EDC248B4A9DBC7BA9201567D@David> <82h6c4pgu66hn8pgms71cj0c47qntfkrbm@4ax.com> Message-ID: http://hamptonroads.com/2008/09/are-bays-related-extinction-mammoth From cynapse at charter.net Mon Sep 8 00:47:37 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:47:37 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Long Carolina bays article-- part 2 of 3 In-Reply-To: References: <0F1E2A18EDC248B4A9DBC7BA9201567D@David> <82h6c4pgu66hn8pgms71cj0c47qntfkrbm@4ax.com> Message-ID: BTW, off-topic, but quoting from the latest article: "In "Cycle," the authors tell a Lakota story, about humans and giant animals becoming so evil that the Creator sent his Thunderbirds to fight them. They threw down thunderbolts from the sky that shook the world, setting forests and prairies on fire with flames that leaped to the sky. Lakes boiled and dried up, rocks glowed and the giant animals burned up. Then the Creator sent rain to flood the Earth and cleanse it. After the floods subsided, the few people who survived found the bones of the giant animals buried in rock and mud." The idea of these stories being 13,000 year old recollections of a comet strike are, IMHO, silly-- but there is an excellent (and much more plausible, again IMHO book on Native American attempts to interpret fossils: http://www.amazon.com/Fossil-Legends-First-Americans-Adrienne/dp/0691130493 From bobl at peaktopeak.com Mon Sep 8 03:34:04 2008 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:34:04 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcement In-Reply-To: <3A2E639A9D2D45EDBDFC9B2D8920C142@donxplt1> Message-ID: <20080908073426.534121056A@mailwash5.pair.com> I'm sure he means that he now has 25% of the total number of all documented Falls/Finds. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:26 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Cc: Don Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Announcement Hi Pete. Do you mean 25% of all meteorite material ever found or fell in Texas, or do you mean you have collected small micro or macro pieces that total 25% of all different documented known Falls and Finds in Texas? Thanks Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Shugar" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:53 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcement > Just to let all know that I have reached a milestone > in my meteorite collection. I now have 25 percent of all Texas > meteorites. It took just under two years to do it. > Pete IMCA 1722 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1657 - Release Date: 9/6/2008 > 8:07 PM > > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritefinder at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 11:28:31 2008 From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:28:31 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] E bay fraud Message-ID: <468bf6050809080828t601df989ifdb435ed495cf067@mail.gmail.com> Hi all a while back I bought a stone that was supposed to be Nantan on E bay it was actually a pretty good fake. They had added coloring to make it look rusty and a magnet really stuck to it. So I stuck it on the saw thinking it might just be a ball of rust, well as soon as it started cutting it turned the everything a reddish color. When I finished the cut and looked at it, it was stone not iron at all.I would be surprised if it is not hematite. So I contacted the Chinese dealer and told them all of this and after a couple attempts to satisfy me will some discount or a better deal next time. I filed a case with Pay pal and demanded a full refund, and that they stop selling these lumps of rock as meteorites. I do not know if they ever really stopped but I see they are back to their same old tricks again, except this time I know that they know they are committing fraud. Does that make any difference? Is there anything we can do? -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 From chinaren76 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 8 12:19:41 2008 From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] E bay fraud In-Reply-To: <468bf6050809080828t601df989ifdb435ed495cf067@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <463329.91840.qm@web52709.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, Give me the seller's eBay ID and the link of the deal. I would have a try to contact the seller since he is a Chinese seller. If i know him, i'll persuade him to refund you at my best. Hope i can help you. Best wishes, Ma Lan Beijing China --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Mike Miller wrote: > From: Mike Miller > Subject: [meteorite-list] E bay fraud > To: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:28 PM > Hi all a while back I bought a stone that was supposed to be > Nantan on > E bay it was actually a pretty good fake. They had added > coloring to > make it look rusty and a magnet really stuck to it. So I > stuck it on > the saw thinking it might just be a ball of rust, well as > soon as it > started cutting it turned the everything a reddish color. > When I > finished the cut and looked at it, it was stone not iron at > all.I > would be surprised if it is not hematite. So I contacted > the Chinese > dealer and told them all of this and after a couple > attempts to > satisfy me will some discount or a better deal next time. I > filed a > case with Pay pal and demanded a full refund, and that they > stop > selling these lumps of rock as meteorites. I do not know if > they ever > really stopped but I see they are back to their same old > tricks again, > except this time I know that they know they are committing > fraud. Does > that make any difference? Is there anything we can do? > > -- > Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 > www.meteoritefinder.com > 928-753-6825 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Mon Sep 8 12:53:56 2008 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:53:56 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Buehler Isomet Saw For Sale Message-ID: <20080908165401.34CE2105D2@mailwash5.pair.com> I have a used Buehler Isomet Low Speed Saw available for sale (Model 11-1180, Orange Model). This is the industry standard for lab wafering saws and works well for cutting fragile material with minimum cut loss. It is in good, used condition and has one minor issue: it needs a new power cord. The current cord works fine, but only in non-GFI protected outlets (won?t work with the outlets that have ?test? and ?reset? buttons like the ones in your bathroom). The Micrometer arm works great and operates smoothly. It comes with a brand new unopened Buehler 5? Diamond blade and one lightly used blade. A new blade alone costs over $300 from Buehler. It is missing the original weights, which can be purchased direct from Buehler for ~$50. I will include some homemade weights, which have worked perfect for me. Also included is a homemade vise/chuck. You can check eBay and see that these used units typically sell for ~$1000 - 1200. I am asking only $500 for this saw, taking into consideration that you will probably want to get the power cord replaced. I can?t imagine a new cord would cost more than $100 installed by an electrician? I have part numbers and schematics in a printed manual, in case you want to order these things and/or additional accessories. I will endeavor to take some pics today. Please email me off-list if interested. Kind regards, ? Mike Bandli IMCA #5765 ? From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 13:04:15 2008 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:04:15 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] E bay fraud In-Reply-To: <468bf6050809080828t601df989ifdb435ed495cf067@mail.gmail.com> References: <468bf6050809080828t601df989ifdb435ed495cf067@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >> Is there anything we can do? Hi, Mike, You could name the seller, so others don't fall prey... Best, Pete > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:28:31 -0700 > From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] E bay fraud > > Hi all a while back I bought a stone that was supposed to be Nantan on > E bay it was actually a pretty good fake. They had added coloring to > make it look rusty and a magnet really stuck to it. So I stuck it on > the saw thinking it might just be a ball of rust, well as soon as it > started cutting it turned the everything a reddish color. When I > finished the cut and looked at it, it was stone not iron at all.I > would be surprised if it is not hematite. So I contacted the Chinese > dealer and told them all of this and after a couple attempts to > satisfy me will some discount or a better deal next time. I filed a > case with Pay pal and demanded a full refund, and that they stop > selling these lumps of rock as meteorites. I do not know if they ever > really stopped but I see they are back to their same old tricks again, > except this time I know that they know they are committing fraud. Does > that make any difference? Is there anything we can do? > > -- > Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 > www.meteoritefinder.com > 928-753-6825 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ From mpg444 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 8 13:03:32 2008 From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] 'Booms' reported in Clayton, Wendell (North Carolina) Message-ID: <547845.14737.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3500792/ 'Booms' reported in Clayton, Wendell Posted: Sep. 7 6:15 p.m. Updated: Sep. 7 11:57 p.m. Emergency officials said residents in Johnston and surrounding counties reported hearing loud booms that shook their houses Sunday evening. Most of the reports came in from Clayton and Wendell, starting around 5:45 p.m. WRAL viewers in Selma and Middlesex also reported similar experiences. "I was inside on the computer, and all of a sudden, I just heard this big, old boom," Clint Banks, of Clayton, said. "This one lady said that her house shook when it happened. But I heard a lot of it, and it lasted, I'd say, about 15 seconds." "My mom thought something to us happened, because she was downstairs, but it was just a loud boom," Zulit Callejas, of Clayton, said. WRAL viewers talk about their experiences of the booming noises. Emergency crews searched the area for the source of the noise but could not identify what the noise was, said Capt. Buck Pipkin, with the Johnston County Sheriff's Office. Some residents have speculated that the noise might have been the result of a sonic boom, a term that is commonly used to refer to the shocks caused by the supersonic flight of a military aircraft. Pipkin said the sheriff's office has called surrounding air bases and airports, and none reported a missing plane. Officials at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in Wayne County said planes are not allowed to produce a sonic boom. All of the base's F-15s completed landing at 4:15 p.m., officials said. The National Weather Service officials said they did not know of any events ? including an earthquake ? that would have caused the noise. From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Mon Sep 8 14:11:12 2008 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:11:12 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Buehler Isomet Saw For Sale In-Reply-To: <20080908165401.34CE2105D2@mailwash5.pair.com> Message-ID: <20080908181117.7034A10550@mailwash5.pair.com> The Isomet is on hold pending payment. Thanks to all that replied! Mike ? -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike Bandli Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:54 AM To: 'Meteorite List' Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Buehler Isomet Saw For Sale I have a used Buehler Isomet Low Speed Saw available for sale (Model 11-1180, Orange Model). This is the industry standard for lab wafering saws and works well for cutting fragile material with minimum cut loss. It is in good, used condition and has one minor issue: it needs a new power cord. The current cord works fine, but only in non-GFI protected outlets (won?t work with the outlets that have ?test? and ?reset? buttons like the ones in your bathroom). The Micrometer arm works great and operates smoothly. It comes with a brand new unopened Buehler 5? Diamond blade and one lightly used blade. A new blade alone costs over $300 from Buehler. It is missing the original weights, which can be purchased direct from Buehler for ~$50. I will include some homemade weights, which have worked perfect for me. Also included is a homemade vise/chuck. You can check eBay and see that these used units typically sell for ~$1000 - 1200. I am asking only $500 for this saw, taking into consideration that you will probably want to get the power cord replaced. I can?t imagine a new cord would cost more than $100 installed by an electrician? I have part numbers and schematics in a printed manual, in case you want to order these things and/or additional accessories. I will endeavor to take some pics today. Please email me off-list if interested. Kind regards, ? Mike Bandli IMCA #5765 ? ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mpg444 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 8 14:14:00 2008 From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: 'Booms' reported in Clayton, Wendell (North Carolina) Message-ID: <369239.64295.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> George has some really good points about this but is not able to send to the list. Thank you George for typing me (and the list I hope) back. Mike --- On Mon, 9/8/08, GeoZay at aol.com wrote: > From: GeoZay at aol.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 'Booms' reported in Clayton, Wendell (North Carolina) > To: mpg444 at yahoo.com > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 2:08 PM > If the skies were clear and without storms in the area and > the air force is > accurate about none of their planes were in flight at the > time...my money is > on that it was a meteorite reaching below 30 miles above > the earth. This > description is exactly like the one I recorded in 1993 over > Southern California. > George Zay > > P.S. This message will not get posted on the list. For some > reason my > messages don't > get posted and I've learned to live with it mostly as a > lurker. :O) From meteoritefinder at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 15:01:52 2008 From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:01:52 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] E bay fraud and clarification Message-ID: <468bf6050809081201o51512023x1bfe4aecf4120bde@mail.gmail.com> HI everyone I should have put in the first e mail that I ask fora full refund and also that they stop selling these rocks as meteorites. After I filed the claim with Pay pal they did give me a refund and stopped selling them at least for a little while. So as far as my transaction they did what was needed to correct it. The point is now they are selling the material again this time knowing full well it is not a meteorite. I hope this is proper to give out their E bay id I have had several people say I should post it xino_huang (2721 Again they did refund me my money but here is a link to what I believe is the same material. http://cgi.ebay.com/6-9LB-Nantan-IRON-METEORITE-siderolite-meteorolite_W0QQitemZ170257740957QQihZ007QQcategoryZ3225QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Not sure if that link will work the item # is 170257740957 -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 From clp at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Sep 8 15:02:36 2008 From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:02:36 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: 'Booms' reported in Clayton, Wendell (North Carolina) References: <369239.64295.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59DD5238880F4772A6F141C387CE5D72@bellatrix> >> my money is >> on that it was a meteorite reaching below 30 miles above >> the earth. That should be a _meteor_ or _meteoroid_ reaching a low height. No way of knowing whether such a body produced meteorites or not (although a meteoroid that breaks up low in the atmosphere is one of the indicators of possible meteorite formation). Chris ***************************************** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Groetz" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: 'Booms' reported in Clayton,Wendell (North Carolina) > George has some really good points about this but is not able to send to > the list. > > Thank you George for typing me (and the list I hope) back. > > Mike > > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, GeoZay at aol.com wrote: > >> From: GeoZay at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 'Booms' reported in Clayton, Wendell (North >> Carolina) >> To: mpg444 at yahoo.com >> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 2:08 PM >> If the skies were clear and without storms in the area and >> the air force is >> accurate about none of their planes were in flight at the >> time...my money is >> on that it was a meteorite reaching below 30 miles above >> the earth. This >> description is exactly like the one I recorded in 1993 over >> Southern California. >> George Zay >> >> P.S. This message will not get posted on the list. For some >> reason my >> messages don't >> get posted and I've learned to live with it mostly as a >> lurker. :O) From eric at meteoritewatch.com Mon Sep 8 15:07:00 2008 From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:07:00 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay fraud In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C577D4.3030804@meteoritewatch.com> Mike and All, Most true meteorite dealers are fed up (they have been for quite some time) with the policy Ebay has on such obvious fraud. Unfortunately there's not much that can be done about it. How does Ebay know that the supposed "meteorite" auctions aren't meteorites at all other than the word of people like us who are in the meteorite industry? You can do nothing more than report the perpetrators to Ebay, but Ebay legally can't just take the words of "real" meteorite dealer over another Ebay dealer because that simply could be seen as a ploy to rid a dealer of their competition. So, Ebay continues to ignore the "fake meteorite" problem for fear of getting sued for shutting down the auctions that are suspicious and/or obvious fakes. There might be something that could be done for a specific seller. Every time there is obvious fraud, someone could try buying the "fake" meteorites (if it's not expensive as in the case of starchasersmeteorites supposed lunars), and documenting every aspect of the sale, recording on video the package as it's opened, and recording the cutting and testing of the fake. Even then it is open to argument whether this will be valid and seen by Ebay as PROOF that this is not a meteorite. Continue to report the "fake meteorite" dealers and hope Ebay eventually gets around to doing something about it. As for the obvious fraud that has been committed against you, I would contact Ebay directly. If you are a powerseller, Ebay gives you a direct phone line to contact them. You can talk to them, email them photos and documentation of everything you experienced with this particular seller and file a fraud report. All in all it's very tough to prove fraud with Ebay. You need evidence. If you have the proof Ebay "might" listen and shut the seller down. Regards, Eric Wichman www.MeteoritesUSA.com www.MeteoriteWatch.com P.S. You can get info on how to file reports with Paypal and Ebay from here: http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/inr-snad-process.html Or here: http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/isgw-buyer-protection-steps.html > Subject: > [meteorite-list] E bay fraud > From: > "Mike Miller" > Date: > Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:28:31 -0700 > To: > "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" > > > To: > "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" > > > > Hi all a while back I bought a stone that was supposed to be Nantan on > E bay it was actually a pretty good fake. They had added coloring to > make it look rusty and a magnet really stuck to it. So I stuck it on > the saw thinking it might just be a ball of rust, well as soon as it > started cutting it turned the everything a reddish color. When I > finished the cut and looked at it, it was stone not iron at all.I > would be surprised if it is not hematite. So I contacted the Chinese > dealer and told them all of this and after a couple attempts to > satisfy me will some discount or a better deal next time. I filed a > case with Pay pal and demanded a full refund, and that they stop > selling these lumps of rock as meteorites. I do not know if they ever > really stopped but I see they are back to their same old tricks again, > except this time I know that they know they are committing fraud. Does > that make any difference? Is there anything we can do? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From michael at spacerocksinc.com Mon Sep 8 17:09:00 2008 From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 8, 2008 Message-ID: <10821766.78661220908140917.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_8_2008.html From paul at meteorite.com Mon Sep 8 18:59:03 2008 From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:59:03 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] September Meteorite-Times is now up Message-ID: <48C5AE37.4030500@meteorite.com> Hello Everyone, The new issue of Meteorite-Times is now up. http://www.meteorite-times.com/ Sonny Clary's video may not be available for a few days as YouTube is having problems with HD video. A huge thank you to all the writers for their continued support! Enjoy, Paul and Jim From grf2 at verizon.net Mon Sep 8 19:41:58 2008 From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:41:58 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 8, 2008 In-Reply-To: <10821766.78661220908140917.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com> References: <10821766.78661220908140917.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com> Message-ID: <464FE0AEAFCE478F8D3D17654A53245A@Notebook> Still my favorite! Jerry Flaherty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Johnson" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 8,2008 > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_8_2008.html > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritefinder at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 21:51:13 2008 From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:51:13 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] ad/ New Glorieta damascus knife and updated sales page Message-ID: <468bf6050809081851k55d8bc75k295c358e035dad4b@mail.gmail.com> Hi all I updated my sales page to work and look more like my homepage, hopefully it is easier to navigate. Have a look here http://www.meteoritefinder.com/sale.htm Also I just added the latest Glorieta damascus meteorite knife with etched Muonionalusta bolsters, VERY cool..take a look here http://www.meteoritefinder.com/glorieta-kives.htm Thanks for looking. -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 From cynapse at charter.net Mon Sep 8 23:33:35 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:33:35 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Long Carolina bays article-- part 3 of 3 In-Reply-To: <82h6c4pgu66hn8pgms71cj0c47qntfkrbm@4ax.com> References: <0F1E2A18EDC248B4A9DBC7BA9201567D@David> <82h6c4pgu66hn8pgms71cj0c47qntfkrbm@4ax.com> Message-ID: <1krbc494a34cl7rr53ov79ejhaiq5iojah@4ax.com> http://hamptonroads.com/2008/09/carolina-bays-new-evidence-points-killer-comet From mikewren at gilanet.com Mon Sep 8 23:55:47 2008 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:55:47 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking to Pay Top Dollar or Trade for... Message-ID: <200809082158503.SM01728@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello All, I am in need of the 3 volume set of Buckwald..HANDBOOK OF IRON METEORITES and a complete set of METEORITE MAGAZINE. TOP TOP TOP DOLLAR PAID or A FANTASTIC TRADE.... Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com Tue Sep 9 00:34:07 2008 From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:34:07 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Micrographs posted on September Meteorite Times Message-ID: Hi list, This month in Meteorite Times, my monthly column I do, called Micro Visions, is on NWA 2977. It is a Lunar provided by Jim Strope (Catch a Falling Star). I guess it is Jim's way of "supporting the arts". He has always made his very expensive planetary thin sections available to me to image. (This is no small thing when you think about the delicate nature of thin sections.) Any way, This set of images turned out beautiful. I show them in full color cross polarized light. Keep in mind, this is what I see through the scope. It is not color altered! I wish you could look through the eyepieces and see it first hand. As well as transmitted Xpol, I have some high magnification incident light shots. This particular Lunar had an iron fleck with, what appears to be, a mineral migration pattern. I posted the list about the possibility about three weeks ago but this is the first posting of images. From what I gather, this effect is caused by processes similar to Widmanstatten Pattern but on a MUCH smaller scale. It would be cool if you would take a look and let me know what you think. Please keep in mind I am only asking and not trying to pass my opinions off as fact. Thanks, Tom Phillips http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite_frame.htm **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From raremeteorites at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 03:23:22 2008 From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Promised Updates and Turning Over Ebay Auctions Message-ID: <911986.39056.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear List Members, Thank you for the opportunity to provide some updates and an advertisement. The first update is that I will be turning over most of my weekly eBay auctions to Jeff and Malia Krosschell starting this evening. They are very familiar with the in-and-outs of eBay and have sold thousands of consumer electronics via this medium in previous business dealings. I am confident that they will give you the same high level of customer service that those who have dealt with me have become accustomed to. I have been working with Jeff for nearly a year on material preparation and promotions. Jeff will promote meteorites in a professional and ethical matter further advancing this great hobby. Malia will bring a high level of energy and enthusiasm to this fine avocation. Her middle name is Kalani which fits perfect with meteoritics since in Hawaiian, it means ?of the heavens?, thus their eBay name kalani_oftheheavens. Some of you may have met them this year in Tucson. On the other hand, I will be gearing down my eBay involvement over the upcoming weeks. I will still run auctions on Monday evenings but will scale them down as I exhaust the last of the bins not turned over to Jeff and Malia. You will probably want to keep an eye on my Monday night auctions for a while as I will make one-of-kinds and items not needed in my permanent collection available. I have sold over 14,000 items on eBay the last four years, most started at just 99 cents. I was trying to encourage those with modest budgets to become involved by making meteorites affordable. I succeeded but at the cost of spending nearly all of my free time supporting these auctions and answering thousands of questions. As it turns out, I realized no profit but the sales did help to offset the enormous costs associated with building the world?s largest privately held planetary collection. I know a lot of collectors think that meteorite dealers are making a killing but this is not true in most cases. You have to love this avocation because there are a lot easier ways to make a buck. It was fun selling but it interfered with my ability get out in the field and get much needed exercise I was reminded a few weeks ago what I was missing out on when I gave a two hour talk at the University of Washington and then went on a field trip to Waterville where it all began for me. I was touched that Art and Carol Ehlmann scheduled time to hang out and attend my lecture in Seattle. They are part of what makes this hobby great! I guess what I am trying to say is that eBay started to feel too much like a business and I want to return to hobby status. I have been an amateur treasure hunter for over 30 years and long to start searching again. Of all of the treasure I have found, nothing will ever be able to compete with meteorites, the friends I have made while pursuing them and the memories, most of which are good. Unfortunately, I will miss the Denver show this year. Denver is my favorite venue because the group never fails to extend a helping hand, a beer or a good laugh. I am preparing to move to southern Nevada and will be looking for a place to live at the end of the month. This and other responsibilities are preventing me from attending. I will be stepping down from the IMCA board as my 3-year term is due to expire this month. Serving as Secretary and the head of the North American membership committee was a pleasure. In the last 3 years, in great part due to the IMCA, I have seen this hobby mature and hope that my small contributions may have helped. I will continue to be involved with meteoritics and may run for a board position in the future if time allows and the association votes me back in. In the meantime, we should all be thankful that such an association exists and does good works. If you made it this far, please check out these great auctions: Please check back this evening to see Jeff and Malia?s set of great items. Be sure to check out their store which will be growing on a weekly basis: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZkalani_oftheheavens My last complete set of Tuesday auctions ending with over 140 great auctions can be viewed here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites Thank you for the interest, Best Regards, Adam From michael at spacerocksinc.com Tue Sep 9 07:49:23 2008 From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 04:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 9, 2008 Message-ID: <17896258.138451220960963903.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_9_2008.html From epgrondine at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 08:16:44 2008 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 05:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Native American fossil stories Message-ID: <177214.69899.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Darren - You are right that there are Native American "stories" which tried to explain fossils. But there are also Native American stories which are impact accounts. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas From epgrondine at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 09:07:08 2008 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 06:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Carolina Bays Message-ID: <976775.32975.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Darren - Thanks for the links to the ongoing Carolina Bays research. Given the radiocarbon dates for them, I tended to think that they were the result of impact megatsunami. In any case they were too controversial for inclusion in my book. Ethnographic materials are notoriously difficult to work with, and trying to retrieve history from them has been compared to trying to eat soup with your hands. For example, this last weekend I read a Lenape fossil story, centered around the fossils found at Big Bone Lick. Clearly it was explanatory, rather than proto-historical, IMHO, as the Lenape Holocene Start Impact account is preserved elsewhere and is detailed. But given that, the inclusion of impact by the Lenape in their explanation of the fossils is one of those details... I hope a good solution for the Willamette problem comes about, one satisfying to all involved. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas From mark at meteorites.cc Tue Sep 9 15:22:43 2008 From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:22:43 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Nice Bassikounou pics Message-ID: <48C6CD03.2050407@meteorites.cc> Evening all, I received a really nice 100g Bass from Mike Jensen today, oriented, lovely crust and rollover lip. Here's a couple of images for those who're interested. http://meteorites.cc/bassroll.jpg http://meteorites.cc/bass-detail.jpg Cheers, Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc From yellowengine at earthlink.net Tue Sep 9 15:32:13 2008 From: yellowengine at earthlink.net (RJP) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:32:13 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls Database Message-ID: <9524552.1220988733560.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Does anyone know of a global database that lists every recorded witnessed fall with TKW info, ect? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Ryan From mark at meteorites.cc Tue Sep 9 15:40:26 2008 From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:40:26 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls Database In-Reply-To: <9524552.1220988733560.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9524552.1220988733560.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48C6D12A.7010504@meteorites.cc> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/ Check 'Falls', put '*' in search box and hit search. Mark RJP wrote: > Does anyone know of a global database that lists every recorded witnessed fall with TKW info, ect? > > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Ryan > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1661 - Release Date: 09/09/2008 04:58 > > -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc From mark at meteorites.cc Tue Sep 9 18:37:12 2008 From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:37:12 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Amsterdam museum displays? Message-ID: <48C6FA98.7050406@meteorites.cc> I'm going to be in Amsterdam this weekend, I wondered if any list members know of any museums with meteorites on display. I've checked with MetBase which suggests some exhibits are on display at the Zeiss Planetarium - can anyone confirm or suggest an alternative? If so pls contact me off-list. Thanks Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc From eric at meteoritewatch.com Tue Sep 9 18:56:02 2008 From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:56:02 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Here's one for ya... Meteorite Identification???? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C6FF02.2070705@meteoritewatch.com> Was surfing the web and ran across this link on a forum. I don't think I need to comment much on this. You just have to read it. http://www.beautifulmeteorites.com/Identifying+Meteorites+from+Common+Rocks.3127.htm Eric From cynapse at charter.net Tue Sep 9 19:34:22 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:34:22 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Here's one for ya... Meteorite Identification???? In-Reply-To: <48C6FF02.2070705@meteoritewatch.com> References: <48C6FF02.2070705@meteoritewatch.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:56:02 -0700, you wrote: >I don't think I need to comment much on this. You just have to read it. > >http://www.beautifulmeteorites.com/Identifying+Meteorites+from+Common+Rocks.3127.htm My favorite Mark Twain quote (and one of my favorite quotes from anyone-- and painfully accurate for anyone who loves reading or who has tried writing): "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is the difference between the lightning and the lightning-bug," http://www.salwen.com/mtquotes.html Looks like those guys are honestly trying for the right word-- but always just miss it. (Not to mention the twisted "facts"). From dave at fallingrocks.com Tue Sep 9 20:52:31 2008 From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:52:31 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Here's one for ya... MeteoriteIdentification???? In-Reply-To: References: <48C6FF02.2070705@meteoritewatch.com> Message-ID: Didn't take long...text is gone... -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:34 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Here's one for ya... MeteoriteIdentification???? On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:56:02 -0700, you wrote: >I don't think I need to comment much on this. You just have to read it. > >http://www.beautifulmeteorites.com/Identifying+Meteorites+from+Common+R >ocks.3127.htm My favorite Mark Twain quote (and one of my favorite quotes from anyone-- and painfully accurate for anyone who loves reading or who has tried writing): "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is the difference between the lightning and the lightning-bug," http://www.salwen.com/mtquotes.html Looks like those guys are honestly trying for the right word-- but always just miss it. (Not to mention the twisted "facts"). ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From michael at spacerocksinc.com Wed Sep 10 08:50:28 2008 From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 10, 2008 Message-ID: <13062447.118121221051028162.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_10_2008.html From drtanuki at yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 10:11:51 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: hammers big and small doom LONG Message-ID: <654583.17026.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear List, Unverified hammer list for "hammer-ites". The website is long and long winded and no references. Anyways there may be some? useful information once verfied. While checking my website stats I found that this webURL had accessed my website pages using several search terms. Sorry if someone has already posted this very biased site before to the list. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_asteroids_comets12.htm Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.meteoritesjapan.com From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 10 13:29:29 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Monitors Frosty Clumps on its Struts Message-ID: <200809101729.KAA05481@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/images.php?fileID=15811 Underneath Phoenix Lander 97 Sols After Touchdown Jet Propulsion Laboratory 2008-09-08 The Robotic Arm Camera on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander took this image on Sept. 1, 2008, at about 4 a.m. local solar time during the 97th Martian day, or sol, since landing. The view underneath the lander shows growth of the clumps adhering to leg strut (upper left) compared with what was present when a similar image was taken about three months earlier (see http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA10759). The view in this Sol 97 image is southward. Illumination is from the early morning sun above the northeastern horizon. This is quite different from the illumination in the Sol 8 image, which was taken in mid-afternoon. The science team has discussed various possible explanations for these clumps. One suggestion is that they may have started from a splash of mud if Phoenix's descent engines melted icy soil during the landing. Another is that specks of salt may have landed on the strut and began attracting atmospheric moisture that freezes and accumulates. The clumps are concentrated on the north side of the strut, usually in the shade, so their accumulation could be a consequence of the fact that condensation favors colder surfaces. In this image, compared with the one from three months earlier, the flat, smooth patches of ice exposed underneath the lander seem to be partly covered by darker material left behind as ice vaporizes away. The flat patch in the center of the image has the informal name "Holy Cow," based on researchers' reaction when they saw the initial image of it. The Phoenix Mission is led by the University of Arizona, Tucson, on behalf of NASA. Project management of the mission is by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Spacecraft development is by Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver. Image NASA/JPL-Caltech//University of Arizona/Max Planck Institute From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 10 13:31:45 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Next Mars Soil Scoop Slated for Last of Lander's Wet Lab Cells (Phoenix) Message-ID: <200809101731.KAA06628@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-173 Next Mars Soil Scoop Slated for Last of Lander's Wet Lab Cells Jet Propulsion Laboraboty September 09, 2008 TUCSON, Ariz. -- The next soil sample that NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander will deliver to its deck instruments will go to the fourth of the four cells of Phoenix's wet chemistry laboratory, according to the Phoenix team's current plans. The chosen source for that sample is from the "Snow White" trench on the eastern end of the work area reachable with Phoenix's robotic arm. In July that trench yielded a sample in which another analytical instrument, the Thermal and Evolved Gas Analyzer (or TEGA), confirmed the presence of water ice. One of the three cells previously used on the wet chemistry laboratory also analyzed a sample from Snow White. The wet chemistry laboratory mixes Martian soil with purified water brought from Earth as part of its process for identifying soluble nutrients and other chemicals in the soil. Scientists have used it to determine that the soil beside the lander is alkaline and to identify magnesium, sodium, potassium, chloride and perchlorate in the soil. The Phoenix team plans to fill the last four of eight single-use ovens on the TEGA instrument without waiting for the analysis of each sample to be completed before delivering the next. The strategy is to get as many samples as possible delivered while there is still enough energy available for digging. The northern Martian summer is nearly half over. The amount of sunshine reaching Phoenix's solar panels, and consequently the amount of electricity produced by the panels, is declining. "Now that the sun is not constantly above the horizon at our landing site we are generating less power every sol," said Phoenix Project Manager Barry Goldstein of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "When we landed in late May, and through much of our mission, we generated about 3,500 watt-hours every sol. We are currently at about 2,500 watt-hours, and sinking daily. With the remaining sols we need to scurry to squeeze the last bit of science out of the mission." One hundred watt-hours is equivalent to what is needed to illuminate a 100-watt bulb for one hour. As TEGA bakes samples, it identifies the temperatures at which volatile ingredients in the soil are vaporized. It also has a mass spectrometer to identify the vapors. A valve that controls the flow of a carrier gas for transporting the vapors to the mass spectrometer is no longer reliable, but researchers anticipate that the remaining samples will yield enough vaporized water and carbon dioxide to carry any scarcer vapors to the spectrometer. The team is also examining possible operational workarounds for unanticipated opening of a valve controlling flow of calibration gas. The Snow White trench is the chosen source for the next sample to go into a TEGA oven, as well as the next sample for the wet chemistry laboratory. For the TEGA sample, the team plans to use a rasp on the robotic arm to churn up ice-rich material from the hard floor of the trench. Ice-rich samples stuck inside the scoop during two attempts in July to deliver them to a TEGA oven. However, a test run on Aug. 30 verified that an ice-rich sample can be delivered using methods that minimize the time the sample is in the scoop and the exposure of the scoop to direct sunlight. The Phoenix mission is led by Smith at the University of Arizona with project management at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., and development partnership at Lockheed Martin in Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus in Denmark; the Max Planck Institute in Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. For more about Phoenix, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix or http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726 NASA Headquarters, Washington dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov Sara Hammond 520-626-1974 University of Arizona, Tucson shammond at lpl.arizona.edu 2008-173 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 10 13:37:05 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - September 10, 2008 Message-ID: <200809101737.KAA07764@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES September 10, 2008 o September 2008 PDS Release Hundreds of new images covering the orbit ranges 8200-9299 of our primary mission. http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/releases/sept_08.php All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 10 13:43:55 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball Outburst from September Perseids Message-ID: <200809101743.KAA09410@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Space Weather News for Sept. 9, 2008 http://spaceweather.com FIREBALL OUTBURST: This morning, Sept. 9th, a surprising flurry of fireballs lit up the sky over eastern parts of the United States. All-sky cameras at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, recorded 25+ meteors, most as bright as Jupiter or Venus. A preliminary analysis by NASA astronomers suggests this is an outburst of "September Perseids," a little-known shower that has erupted this way three times in the past century. Although the show is almost certainly over, sky watchers are advised to be on the lookout for more fireballs tonight and in the nights ahead; the September Perseids are not well understood and they could surprise us again. Visit http://spaceweather.com for more information and updates to this developing story. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 10 13:46:29 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 'Cause Volcanic Eruptions' Message-ID: <200809101746.KAA10126@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/healthandscience/science/meteorites-cause-volcanic-eruptions-$1239971.htm Meteorites 'cause volcanic eruptions' In The New (United Kingdom) September 10, 2008 Violent volcanic eruptions witnessed from the dawn of time to the present day could all have been prompted by meteorite strikes billions of years ago. Geologists are presenting new evidence that contradicts the belief the gas that causes volcanoes to erupt - 'light' helium - came to Earth via its gravitational pull. Volcanic eruptions occur when the gas, which arrived when the world was in a molten state and is trapped in the deep Earth, melts. But University of Manchester scientists say that the 'fingerprint' left by the 3He isotope does not match solar nebula but instead meteorites. "We have shown that the neon gas fingerprint expected for the captured solar nebula model is not matched," Professor Chris Ballentine said. "Instead we have found a meteorite signature, which suggests the massive early atmosphere is not trapped by gravitational attraction as originally thought but a result of meteorites spewing out gas on impact." Prof Ballentine and his team also identified a second signature, obtained via studying CO2 gas from the Colorado Plateau, which is identical to seawater. "The only explanation for this is that seawater trapped in ocean crust is being driven back down into the deep Earth in a tectonic process called subduction," he explained. Previous thinking had stated that water at these depths would be impossible due to it melting during the subduction process. "This process has the potential to fundamentally change how scientists think Earth has behaved over time. Even a little bit of water added to rock in the deep earth makes it more plastic and allows movement of tectonic plates sitting on top to be quicker," Prof Ballentine added. "The source and fate of atmospheres and water on planets is central to understanding the origin of life and the conditions that lead to our own planet looking as it does today. Our work provides evidence that changes our big picture understanding of how planetary systems acquire their volatile elements. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 10 13:50:21 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update: August 28 - September 5, 2008 Message-ID: <200809101750.KAA11187@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit Continues Work on Winter Panorama - sol 1657-1662, August 31-September 05, 2008: Spirit continues to conserve power during the waning Martian winter while performing light science activities. As power permits, Spirit continues to acquire the individual frames of an image mosaic known as the "Bonestell panorama," which will portray a full-color view of the rover's winter outpost. Spirit is healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected as of the most recent report from Mars sent by NASA's Odyssey orbiter on sol 1658 (Sept. 1, 2008). Solar-array energy had increased slightly from 235 to 245 watt-hours (100 watt-hours is the amount of energy needed to light a 100-watt bulb for one hour). Tau -- a measure of atmospheric opacity caused by suspended dust -- dropped from 0.274 to 0.218, meaning the skies were slightly clearer. Sol-by-sol summary In addition to taking daily measurements of dust-related changes in atmospheric opacity (tau), Spirit completed the following activities: Sol 1657 (Aug. 31, 2008): Spirit acquired column 13, part 1 of the so-called "Bonestell panorama" of the rover's winter surroundings, using all 13 color filters of the panoramic camera. Sol 1658: Spirit relayed data from Mars to NASA's Odyssey orbiter to be transmitted to Earth. Sol 1659: Spirit received new instructions from Earth via the rover's high-gain, X-band antenna. Sol 1660: Spirit recharged the batteries. Sol 1661: Spirit recharged the batteries. Sol 1662 (Sept. 5, 2008): Spirit recharged the batteries. Odometry: As of sol 1658 (Sept. 1, 2008), Spirit's total odometry remained at 7,528.0 meters (4.7 miles). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Farewell, "Victoria"! - sol 1634-1640, August 28-September 03, 2008: Opportunity has completed one of the most fantastic scientific campaigns of the Mars Exploration Rover mission -- the interior investigation of "Victoria Crater." After spending more than 340 Martian days, known as sols -- almost one Earth year -- inside the crater, Opportunity climbed back out on sol 1634 (Aug. 28, 2008). To do so, Opportunity retraced the wheel tracks the robotic geologist had made while crossing a large sand ripple and entering Victoria on the slopes of an alcove known as "Duck Bay." >From the crater rim, Opportunity gave a final salute to Victoria, raising its robotic arm on sol 1639 (Sept. 2, 2008) and taking a snapshot of its shadow with the front hazard-avoidance cameras. The rover completed the salute by swinging the arm at its elbow joint back to the starting position. Opportunity then got into position to practice using an ailing shoulder joint on the robotic arm. The shoulder joint had begun showing signs of degradation on sol 1502 (April 15, 2008). Rover operators selected the large sand ripple at the lip of Victoria Crater as an opportune target. There, the rover will practice learning to use the arm again. Remote sensing highlights of the week included taking images of the tracks Opportunity left behind on the plains more than a year ago as well as color images of a nearby cobble called "Isle Royale." The rover also acquired images of a planned study area known as "Bright Spot" because of the large amount of sunlight reflected from its surface. Along the way, Opportunity continued to study the Martian atmosphere and clouds. Opportunity is healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected as of the most recent transfer of information from NASA's Odyssey orbiter on sol 1640 (Sept. 3, 2008). Power has been excellent throughout this period, averaging about 621 watt-hours (enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for more than 6 hours). Sol-by-sol summary: Each Martian day, or sol, Opportunity measured dust-related changes in atmospheric clarity with the panoramic camera. In addition, Opportunity completed the following activities: Sol 1634 (Aug. 28, 2008): While driving, Opportunity took snapshots of its journey. After the day's drive, the rover acquired images of the surrounding terrain and the surface near its wheels with the navigation and hazard-avoidance cameras. After relaying data to the Odyssey orbiter for transmission to Earth, Opportunity measured argon gas in the Martian atmosphere with the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer. Sol 1635: Opportunity searched for morning clouds with the navigation camera, acquiring six, time-lapse frames for a movie. Sol 1636: Upon awakening, Opportunity acquired another six-frame, time-lapse movie in search of clouds with the navigation camera. The rover monitored dust accumulation on the panoramic-camera mast assembly and took images of the ripple at the lip of Victoria Crater with the panoramic camera. Opportunity took full-color images of Isle Royale, using all 13 color filters of the panoramic camera. After relaying data to Odyssey, Opportunity spent 5 hours and 20 minutes measuring argon gas in the atmosphere using the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer. Sol 1637: After the day's drive, Opportunity completed a "get fine attitude," during which the rover compared its precise location relative to the Sun with the position indicated by the on-board, inertial measurement unit. Following the drive, Opportunity took images with the hazard-avoidance and navigation cameras. The rover acquired a full, 360-degree panorama of the area with the navigation camera. After communicating with Odyssey, Opportunity went into a deep sleep. Sol 1638: In the morning, Opportunity surveyed the horizon with the panoramic camera. After sending data to Odyssey, the rover went into a deep sleep. Sol 1639: Before beginning the day's drive, Opportunity took images of "Bright Patch Two" with the panoramic camera. Opportunity approached the large sand ripple on the rim of Victoria and took post-drive images with the hazard-avoidance and navigation cameras. After relaying data to Odyssey, the rover measured atmospheric argon with the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer. Opportunity then went into a mini-deep sleep. Sol 1640 (Sept. 3, 2008): Opportunity acquired more images of Bright Patch Two as well as a 360-degree panorama of the area with the navigation camera. After sending data to Odyssey, the rover went into a deep sleep. Odometry: As of sol 1639 (Sept. 2, 2008), Opportunity's estimated total odometry was 11,781.51 meters (7.32 miles). From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 10 19:19:55 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for a 1 kilo whole stone of GAO (AD) Message-ID: <804325.58256.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Good evening list.I am looking for a 1 kilo whole stone of GAO.I can pay up to $1200.Please let me know offlist. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From grf2 at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 20:10:47 2008 From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:10:47 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 'Cause Volcanic Eruptions' In-Reply-To: <200809101746.KAA10126@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <200809101746.KAA10126@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <8CA0E70386E94F4589AA6377EFA1E0DE@Notebook> We've gota love this!!!!!!!!!!!!! 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Jerry Flaherty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Baalke" To: "Meteorite Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 'Cause Volcanic Eruptions' > > http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/healthandscience/science/meteorites-cause-volcanic-eruptions-$1239971.htm > > Meteorites 'cause volcanic eruptions' > In The New (United Kingdom) > September 10, 2008 > > Violent volcanic eruptions witnessed from the dawn of time to the > present day could all have been prompted by meteorite strikes billions > of years ago. > > Geologists are presenting new evidence that contradicts the belief the > gas that causes volcanoes to erupt - 'light' helium - came to Earth via > its gravitational pull. > > Volcanic eruptions occur when the gas, which arrived when the world was > in a molten state and is trapped in the deep Earth, melts. > > But University of Manchester scientists say that the 'fingerprint' left > by the 3He isotope does not match solar nebula but instead meteorites. > > "We have shown that the neon gas fingerprint expected for the captured > solar nebula model is not matched," Professor Chris Ballentine said. > > "Instead we have found a meteorite signature, which suggests the massive > early atmosphere is not trapped by gravitational attraction as > originally thought but a result of meteorites spewing out gas on impact." > > Prof Ballentine and his team also identified a second signature, > obtained via studying CO2 gas from the Colorado Plateau, which is > identical to seawater. > > "The only explanation for this is that seawater trapped in ocean crust > is being driven back down into the deep Earth in a tectonic process > called subduction," he explained. > > Previous thinking had stated that water at these depths would be > impossible due to it melting during the subduction process. > > "This process has the potential to fundamentally change how scientists > think Earth has behaved over time. Even a little bit of water added to > rock in the deep earth makes it more plastic and allows movement of > tectonic plates sitting on top to be quicker," Prof Ballentine added. > > "The source and fate of atmospheres and water on planets is central to > understanding the origin of life and the conditions that lead to our own > planet looking as it does today. 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All The Auctions This Week: http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfti dZ2QQsclZ2QQtZkm or http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store? When you get to the above link just click on Auctions. Easy! Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 10:02:28 2008 From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 'Cause Volcanic Eruptions' In-Reply-To: <8CA0E70386E94F4589AA6377EFA1E0DE@Notebook> Message-ID: <521551.27672.qm@web55201.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Quote the following lines: Volcanic eruptions occur when the gas, which arrived when the world was in a molten state and is trapped in the deep Earth, melts Prof Ballentine and his team also identified a second signature, obtained via studying CO2 gas from the Colorado Plateau, which is identical to seawater. Previous thinking had stated that water at these depths would be impossible due to it melting during the subduction process. Hmmm. Gas melting, Co2 exactly the same as seawater and water melting during subduction. OK let's assume this is simply a case of appaling grammar, how can you take such poorly presented material seriously. The second half of the report has flip all to do with the first half. You really have to be paying attention to spot the word "also" and realise it marks the boundary between two unrelated threads. I suspect it's just another case of a reporter not knowing what the fuss he's talking about. LHC anyone? Rob McC --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Jerry wrote: > From: Jerry > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 'Cause Volcanic Eruptions' > To: "Ron Baalke" , "Meteorite Mailing List" > Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 1:10 AM > We've gota love this!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Where are those immense Deccan Volcanic flats that > accounted for Extinction? > India?? > Jerry Flaherty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Baalke" > > To: "Meteorite Mailing List" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:46 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 'Cause Volcanic > Eruptions' > > > > > > > http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/healthandscience/science/meteorites-cause-volcanic-eruptions-$1239971.htm > > > > Meteorites 'cause volcanic eruptions' > > In The New (United Kingdom) > > September 10, 2008 > > > > Violent volcanic eruptions witnessed from the dawn of > time to the > > present day could all have been prompted by meteorite > strikes billions > > of years ago. > > > > Geologists are presenting new evidence that > contradicts the belief the > > gas that causes volcanoes to erupt - 'light' > helium - came to Earth via > > its gravitational pull. > > > > Volcanic eruptions occur when the gas, which arrived > when the world was > > in a molten state and is trapped in the deep Earth, > melts. > > > > But University of Manchester scientists say that the > 'fingerprint' left > > by the 3He isotope does not match solar nebula but > instead meteorites. > > > > "We have shown that the neon gas fingerprint > expected for the captured > > solar nebula model is not matched," Professor > Chris Ballentine said. > > > > "Instead we have found a meteorite signature, > which suggests the massive > > early atmosphere is not trapped by gravitational > attraction as > > originally thought but a result of meteorites spewing > out gas on impact." > > > > Prof Ballentine and his team also identified a second > signature, > > obtained via studying CO2 gas from the Colorado > Plateau, which is > > identical to seawater. > > > > "The only explanation for this is that seawater > trapped in ocean crust > > is being driven back down into the deep Earth in a > tectonic process > > called subduction," he explained. > > > > Previous thinking had stated that water at these > depths would be > > impossible due to it melting during the subduction > process. > > > > "This process has the potential to fundamentally > change how scientists > > think Earth has behaved over time. Even a little bit > of water added to > > rock in the deep earth makes it more plastic and > allows movement of > > tectonic plates sitting on top to be quicker," > Prof Ballentine added. > > > > "The source and fate of atmospheres and water on > planets is central to > > understanding the origin of life and the conditions > that lead to our own > > planet looking as it does today. Our work provides > evidence that changes > > our big picture understanding of how planetary systems > acquire their > > volatile elements. > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoriteshow at free.fr Thu Sep 11 12:07:48 2008 From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:07:48 -0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending on saturday Message-ID: <008e01c91428$96d6b2b0$140af90a@T42> Dear Fellow Listees, This is the second week of meteoriteshow back to ebay, and that second list of auctions will end on Saturday. Here is the link to where you can see all of them: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow - CHERGACH H5 -10.5g Oriented- WITNESSED FALL! http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-CHERGACH-H5-10-5g-Oriented-WITNESSED-FALL_W0QQitemZ330266636103QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - DAG 947 LL6 - 11.2g full slice http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-DAG-947-LL6-11-2g-full-slice_W0QQitemZ330266636260QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - NWA XXX - 0.7g Partslice - HOWARDITE http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-NWA-XXX-0-7g-Partslice-HOWARDITE_W0QQitemZ330266636282QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - ORIENTED NWA OC - FUSION CRUST - 17.4g indiv http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-ORIENTED-NWA-OC-FUSION-CRUST-17-4g-indiv_W0QQitemZ330266636347QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - SAH 02500 L3 - 54.1g individual http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-SAH-02500-L3-54-1g-individual_W0QQitemZ330266636402QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - SAH 03502 LL3 - 48.7g partslice http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-SAH-03502-LL3-48-7g-partslice_W0QQitemZ330266636432QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - ZAG H3-6 - 11.3g frag. - WITNESSED FALL! http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-ZAG-H3-6-11-3g-frag-WITNESSED-FALL_W0QQitemZ330266636477QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Many thanks for looking and enjoy bidding!!! All the best, Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 From bristolia at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 13:14:08 2008 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] New Summary Paper on Permian Extinction (Downloadable for Free) Message-ID: <428650.40015.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Friends, "GSA Today"'s feature article for September is about the Permian extinction. It is: Bottjera, D. J., M. E. Claphama, M. L. Fraisera, and C. M. Powersa, 2008, Understanding mechanisms for the end-Permian mass extinction and the protracted Early Triassic aftermath and recovery. vol. 18, no. 9, pp. 4-10. It can be downloaded from: http://www.gsajournals.org/archive/1052-5173/18/9/pdf/i1052-5173-18-9-4.pdf and http://www.gsajournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1130%2FGSATG8A.1&ct=1 Yours, Paul H. Baton Rouge, LA From brimane at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 17:12:29 2008 From: brimane at gmail.com (brian burrer) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:12:29 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] test only Message-ID: <7fd4f0d50809111412k3904b816tbc54a8c4f4067fb9@mail.gmail.com> 123 From bobadebt at ec.rr.com Thu Sep 11 19:04:06 2008 From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:04:06 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Presenting my 50mm Zag Sphere Message-ID: This is the 18th sphere in my collection. This sphere displays fantastic brecciation and LOADS of metal. It weighs 246 grams http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Spheres%20WB/018ZagWB.jpg You can view my entire collection at: http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/50mil.htm Comments are always welcome :) Thanks From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 11 20:04:38 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Valley Networks on Mars Formed During Long Periods of Episodic Flooding, Study Finds Message-ID: <200809120004.RAA10504@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.ucsc.edu/news_events/text.asp?pid=2395 Valley networks on Mars formed during long period of episodic flooding, study finds By Tim Stephens (831) 459-2495; stephens at ucsc.edu University of California-Santa Cruz September 8, 2008 A new study suggests that ancient features on the surface of Mars called valley networks were carved by recurrent floods during a long period when the martian climate may have been much like that of some arid or semiarid regions on Earth. An alternative theory that the valleys were carved by catastrophic flooding over a relatively short time is not supported by the new results. Often cited as evidence that Mars once had a warm environment with liquid water on the surface, valley networks are distinctive features of the martian landscape. In the new study, researchers used sophisticated computer models to simulate the processes that formed these features. "Our results argue for liquid water being stable at the surface of Mars for prolonged periods in the past," said Charles Barnhart, a graduate student in Earth and planetary sciences at the University of California, Santa Cruz. Barnhart conducted the study as a Graduate Student Research Program scholar at NASA Ames Research Center, working with NASA planetary scientist Jeffrey Moore and Alan Howard of the University of Virginia. A paper describing their findings has been accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research--Planets and is currently available online. "For several decades, scientists worked to determine whether or not there had ever been precipitation on Mars. Only in the last 10 years has NASA acquired high-resolution topographic data that cinched the case for massive ancient erosion from precipitation and runoff," Moore said. Scientists estimate that the valley networks on Mars were carved out more than 3.5 billion years ago. Studies based on climate models have suggested that catastrophic events such as asteroid impacts could have created warm, wet conditions on Mars, causing massive deluges and flooding for periods of hundreds to thousands of years. But the new study shows that those conditions would result in features not seen in the martian landscape, because water would accumulate inside craters and overflow, carving exit breaches that cut through the crater walls, Barnhart said. "Our research finds that these catastrophic anomalies would be so humid and wet there would be breaching of the craters, which we don't see on Mars," he said. "The precipitation needs to be seasonal or periodic, so that there are periods of evaporation and infiltration. Otherwise the craters overflow." The researchers used a landform evolution model to simulate how the surface of Mars would evolve under different climate conditions. They ran more than 70 simulations under varied conditions and performed statistical analyses to determine which yielded the best match to the observed topography of martian valleys. The results suggest that valley networks formed on Mars during a semiarid to arid climate that persisted for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years. Episodic flooding alternated with long dry periods when water could evaporate or soak into the ground. Rainfall may have been seasonal, or wet intervals may have occurred over longer cycles. But conditions that allowed for the presence of liquid water on the surface of Mars must have lasted for at least 10,000 years, Barnhart said. "Precipitation on Mars lasted a long time--it wasn't a brief interval of massive deluges," he said. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Note to reporters: You may contact Barnhart at (831) 459-1784 or barnhart at es.ucsc.edu. ##### From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Thu Sep 11 21:00:08 2008 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:00:08 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Private & AD Top Premium Specimens of the New Non-Ziz Desert Iron Message-ID: <01b401c91472$e6e2a490$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Dear Collectors, after a short summer break finally again a posting from Chladni's Heirs. Let me start with the better news. Of course we couldn't resist and organized some specimens of the new desert irons, everyone talks now about and which were initially mistaken to be new finds of the Ziz irons, and we tried to get in especially beautiful examples, a task which - we think you'll agree, after you'll have seen the pictures - accomplished. But let me first recapitulate the discussion, why in our opinion it is unlikely that these irons could be paired with Ziz: Externally they differ in the shape of the regmaglypts. Ziz has a Sikhote-like appearance, displays very detailed and deeply carved regmaglypts; small individuals do look like small Sikhotes, they only aren't that fresh - while the new irons show more shallow regmaglypts, partially also smoothed parts, here and there circular pits and places, where the silicates emerge. Additionally the new irons have a slightly less fresh appearance than Ziz, especially those parts which were exposed to weathering are more oxidized than you would found it with any Ziz. Here we have such an example - our first specimen, not difficult to guess, why we name it "The Coral" - though not fully an typical example for the new locales, because it exhibits especially well developed regmaglypts and a dynamical sculpture - but on the other hand one can observe especially well, how strongly one part, the "stalk" of the coral, was exposed to weathering. A very impressive effect (therefore we recommend no further cleaning). http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/1678g-4.jpg http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/1678g-3.jpg http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/1678g-1.jpg http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/1678g-2.jpg Weight is 1678g, dimensions 110 x 90 x 75 mm. And here we have another interesting example, cause here one can observe two different types of regmaglypts - first the detailed and weazen ones, so typical for the new irons, http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/1494g-2.jpg but one side has shallow ones on a large-scale - rather reminding to a Gibeon (in fact it is so far the only specimen of the new irons, we came across, showing such features): http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/1494g-3.jpg http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/1494g-4.jpg Something like that you haven't with Ziz. Weight is 1494g, dimensions 110 x 98 x 47 mm. Strongest indicator, that they can't be Ziz, are the numerous and voluminous silicate portions of the interior, partially even detectable from outside. Here again the cut-surface - not etched - which Stefan already had posted earlier: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/new-iron.jpg It was also asked, whether Ziz simply could have been a case like Seymchan, where samples with olivines exist, but also sheer metal lumps. One could add Brenham and Glorieta too. I would say no, because these are all main group pallasites. Therefore they have a higher Ni-content and etched pallasites display normally the structure of a medium octahedrite, and the precursor iron is said to be an IIIAB. Ziz however is an IAB and a coarse octahedrite. Perhaps only for clarification, although Svend did it already here. But because the report from the French lab could have been misunderstood: They looked there only for the structural type, hence whether it is a finest, a fine, a medium, a course... octahedrite and found out that the new iron is a coarse octahedrite like Ziz is a coarse octahedrite too. That alone says nothing about a pairing. Remember, the by far largest iron group is the IAB/IIICD-complex and most representatives of that group are coarse octahedrites. Therefore the relevance regarding a possible pairing is the same as if one would say Campo is an coarse octahedrite like Nantan, Respectively they could have written too: The new iron is a coarse octahedrite like Morasko. Decisive for the classification, chemical grouping of an iron and the pairing issue are the contents of Ni and the trace elements Ge, Ga, Ir (and Au), which are very characteristic for each individual locales. That classification still has to be done, Svend already handed in the required samples. Well and finally, that the new finds were here and there offered by the Moroccans as possible Ziz and in turn from the few other sellers as Ziz is understandable. Keep in mind, how far below the average the output of desert iron is in relation to stones and how mere the absolute output of irons from NWA-wonderland, as well as from Oman is in total. And there are almost no irons with such fine regmaglypts, Taza and Ziz, what else? So of course everyone, would suppose initially that these great new finds should be Ziz. Here our last individual, of those we have left. Not so spectacular and outstanding like the first ones, but still very fine and very representative for the new desert iron: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/736g-1.jpg http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/736g-2.jpg http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/736g-3.jpg http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/736g-4.jpg Weight is 736g, dimensions 93 x 55 x 45 mm So, now the price. Remember how the desert irons were paid during the last years. In principle the new iron should be good for a quite high price, seen the aesthetics of the new irons in general and of the specimens presented here in particular. Naturally we should care for a maximisation of profit, but due to certain circumstances, we will give them away at 3$ or 2Euro per gram. In my eyes a somewhat inadequate price and I hope other dealers don't take it as an offense, I know, they were going higher on ebay - hence just let call it a special sale. Of course it is difficult for the cautious collector - with NWAs it is simply unpredictable, which quantities will surface, I personally don't have the impression, that these new irons will be once the Campo of the desert (else they should have appeared already a longer while ago in the assortments of most offerors of NWA-material and at the iron specialists) but remember the former desert irons and if you take in account the quality especially of both larger specimens, I would think, that one can't go wrong with them and whether an increase in value will appear, seems to me not a principle question, but rather a question of a short- or medium-term perspective. But this is my private opinion only. Now to the not so nice news. Just back yesterday from travels, I was shocked today to hear, that the better half of Chladni's Heirs, our esteemed Stefan, had an relatively grave accident and is still in intensive care, but he will hopefully return home in about a week for a following full recovery. So I'm collecting the wishes from all sides, to send them to him and ask all collectors and friends for the understanding, that here and there delays in the transactions with Chladni's Heirs may occur. Best Greetings, Martin Stefan Ralew & Martin Altmann Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com IMCA #3368 & #3825 From John at Cabassi.net Thu Sep 11 21:04:31 2008 From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:04:31 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Presenting my 50mm Zag Sphere References: Message-ID: <000701c91473$888b60c0$4564fea9@TITAN> G'Day David Once again a spectacular piece. Thanks for sharing that, but as I've said before, you seem to be putting together your own planetary group. Really amazing collection. I'm interested to know where the next one will come from. Cheers Johnno ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Kitt Deyarmin" To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:04 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Presenting my 50mm Zag Sphere > This is the 18th sphere in my collection. > > This sphere displays fantastic brecciation and LOADS of metal. It weighs > 246 grams > > http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Spheres%20WB/018ZagWB.jpg > > You can view my entire collection at: > http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/50mil.htm > > Comments are always welcome :) > > Thanks > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From bolidechaser at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 01:45:22 2008 From: bolidechaser at yahoo.com (Robert Verish) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] test - but also with an OT link Message-ID: <178308.28278.qm@web51712.mail.re2.yahoo.com> When I do a "test" to the entire List, I try to find a link to include in the message that may be of some interest to the recipients. The above link is OT but this news post does involve a member of this List. From bolidechaser at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 02:01:15 2008 From: bolidechaser at yahoo.com (Robert Verish) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Link to webpages about Nevada impact site Message-ID: <979658.67707.qm@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello List, Since I've just returned from an extended field trip, there wasn't proper time to compose a "typical Bob's Findings" article for Meteorite-Times.com this month. But I thought it would be nice to still give our readers the opportunity to view the most recent, preliminary results by a group of researchers known as the Stratofox organization, and of their fieldwork in the Black Rock Desert. So, instead of my "usual" article, I decided to make a webpage that would simply be a couple of links to the Stratofox group's website that describes their latest efforts at trying to locate evidence for a suspected impact crater in Northern Nevada. It's just that I would like to give the meteorite community some exposure and visibility to the work done by the principal investigator, Ian Kluft. In case you're interested, here is a link to get you started: Regards, Bob V . From blurtheline at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 10:37:26 2008 From: blurtheline at gmail.com (Art) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:37:26 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] SALE - ad forwarded from E.T. - SALE Message-ID: <998a6e0f0809120737s432d3409xaf07e26a5c011c7a@mail.gmail.com> Forwarded from ET (he is having trouble posting): Hello List Members, I am selling a few very nice meteorite specimens. I will be traveling for several weeks so if you have an interest and would like to see pictures please email my son Patrick off list at pst123 at hotmail.com . Patrick does a great job of handling every aspect of the business while I am away. Some days it feels like he's the boss and I'm the crew. Meteorites offered: Dhofar 007 eucrite 411 grams x $5.00/gm = $2055.00 NWA 1465 CV3 anomalous 786 grams x $5.00/gm = $3930.00 NWA 2060 Howardite end cut 187 grams x $10.00/gm = $1870.00 NWA 2697 CV3 750 grams x $3.50/gm = $2650.00 NWA 3140 ureilite 165 grams x $10.00/gm = $1650.00 All of these specimens are very nice hand specimens and great for display. Thanks, E.T. From zneutronz at aol.com Fri Sep 12 10:51:26 2008 From: zneutronz at aol.com (zneutronz at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:51:26 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite sale - please read message Message-ID: <8CAE2FE2ACA6D33-1F14-46C@MBLK-M38.sysops.aol.com> Dear meteorite friends! Once again I need to tell you about a tragedy here in Thailand and I hope that you can help us out. A short time ago, my long-time friend and companion of many Chiang Khan expeditions drowned in the Mekhong river. Mr Tim has left his wife and several children behind, who have now lost the primary breadwinner. Friends of Mr Tim's informed me about the financial crises that the family is in. Mr Tim was a loyal and honest travel companion on many of my expeditions, and we had become good friends. For this reason my wife and I have tried to help Mr Tim's wife and family and have financed a small grocery store. This should help support the family. The total sum we gave towards the store was around Thai Baht 470,000, or around Euro 9,500. We have scrounged up this sum ourselves, even our 4-year- old daughter had to plunder her bank account. To recoup this money, which we now miss dearly, I have decided to sell the last few larger specimens in my collection. Amongst these pieces are two larger Chian Kahn specimens (all the remaining pieces are under 5g). A museum specimen, very unusual, 27.5g. For this exceptional piece I am asking 90 Euro/g. The second item is a 100% crusted, beautifully oriented Chiang Kahn, 63.4g. Here I am asking for 45 Euro/g. Also Offered are the following pieces: * NWA4935, shergottite, 2.956g, partslice * D hofar 310, lunar, 0.352g * NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut Please see these specimens here: http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/ As I have mentioned, we hope to achieve Euro 9,500 with these sales. We trust that you will support us in light of the circumstances of this sale. Thank you so much for your time and consideration, Regards , Oliver IMCA#6131 Oliver Alge Calle Las Artes, Loc. 2 Res. Costa Caleta 38679 La Caleta, Tenerife Islas Canarias, Espa?a phone : 0034-922 711 831 email : ZneutronZ at aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL eMail auf Ihrem Handy! Ab sofort k?nnen Sie auch unterwegs Ihre AOL email abrufen. Registrieren Sie sich jetzt kostenlos. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Sep 12 14:14:49 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: September 8-12, 2008 Message-ID: <200809121814.LAA10237@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES September 8-12, 2008 o Channels (Released 08 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080908a o Pasteur Crater (Released 09 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080909a o Lyot Dunes (Released 10 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080910a o Odd Craters (Released 11 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080911a o Polar Dunes (Released 12 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080912a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. From rlenssen at planet.nl Fri Sep 12 15:35:19 2008 From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:35:19 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia - provisional classification results References: <001501c739c2$ca76a400$9600000a@EIGENAARNJEQJY> <001001c73a64$824db5e0$9600000a@EIGENAARNJEQJY> Message-ID: <808631DD7DF84FE7BB8B46CBF9F98ED6@EIGENAARNJEQJY> Hi List, In January 2007, I posted a link ( http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Acfer500g.htm ), pointing to some pictures of an odd looking meteorite, asking for comments. This request resulted - via List member Frederic Beroud - in a contact with Jerome Gattacceca from CEREGE in France, who conducted magnetic susceptibility measurements, and kindly offered to help to have it classified. Today I received (provisional) classification results, and want to share them with you: Provisional results by: M. Denise (MNHN)/J. Gattacceca (CEREGE) breccia LL6-L4 shock stage S2-S4 (S2 for the LL lithology and S4 for the L lithology) W1 Microprobe analysis (LL-L lithology) Fayalite 31.5?0.6-25.5?0.5 Fs 26.5?0.4-22.2?0.3 So, it turned out to be an LL6-L4 breccia! I wonder how rare this kind of breccia is, and especially if such a breccia has special scientific value, above ""just" a mix of LL6 and L4 material". Does anybody know an answer to this? Kind regards, Rob Lenssen The Netherlands ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: "Rob Lenssen" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia Hi Bernd + List, As promised, I added some photographs with better resolution. I made them through a magnifying lens. Light is not ideal, but better resolution it has. The first three detail pictures show the area near a dark clasts. Detail nr. 4 shows a 10mm "droplett". Detail nr. 5 shows a 5mm dark spot with the largest metalic iron spot (in the polished planes) to it's right. http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Acfer500g.htm Hope you enjoy it + maybe get some extra info out of it. regards, Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia Thank you very much for your reaction Bernd. Like I wrote before, it was covered in desert varnish when I got it. The two polished planes present fractured sides, that I planed removing as less material as possible. Before planing they already showed dark "lumbs". Like it fractured "around them". Don't think it is planetary though, as it is magnetic and shows the typical (chondrite) dots of iron in the surface. I will try to make better pictures and will share them with you. regards, Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia Hello Rob L. and List, Look what I found after cleaning and polishing a desert varnish covered Acfer: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Acfer500g.htm Dark clasts in lighter matrix. Also metal spots in the dark clasts. Any idea what this might be? In chondrites I typically see lighter clasts in darker matrix. What a beautiful A?fer chondrite! Is it a chondrite after all? The pictures should have a higher resolution. Are there any chondrules? Questions, questions, questions! Anyway, it does look quite fresh, so it should be something like W1 or W2 at most. It does look highly shocked ... at least S4 but more probably S5 or even S6. Well, that sounds like silicate darkening. Maybe the silicate clasts were not so very dark prior to the shock event but experienced extensive darkening (caused by melting of metal-sulfide). As for: "In chondrites I typically see lighter clasts in darker matrix" Here are some chondrites that have dark inclusions: NWA 0869, NWA 0978, NWA 1794, NWA 3346, OUED EL HADJAR, RICHFIELD, TANEZROUFT 061, etc., etc. Anyway, a mighty beautiful "chondrite", something that, as Dean would now say "you just gotta love!" ... and if it is not a chondrite ??? Could this be a planetary meteorite??? Questions, questions, questions! Cheers, Bernd To: rlenssen at planet.nl Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From aerubin at ucla.edu Fri Sep 12 17:22:20 2008 From: aerubin at ucla.edu (Alan Rubin) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:22:20 -0800 Subject: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia - provisional classificationresults References: <001501c739c2$ca76a400$9600000a@EIGENAARNJEQJY><001001c73a64$824db5e0$9600000a@EIGENAARNJEQJY> <808631DD7DF84FE7BB8B46CBF9F98ED6@EIGENAARNJEQJY> Message-ID: <005801c9151d$a42060b0$bc246180@SINOITE> It is very unusual to have one ordinary chondrite group mixed with another. Dimmitt (H regolith breccia) has an LL5 clast; St. Mesmin (LL regolith breccia) has some H clasts. Let's get this thing named officially through the Nomenclature Committee. Alan Rubin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: ; Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia - provisional classificationresults Hi List, In January 2007, I posted a link ( http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Acfer500g.htm ), pointing to some pictures of an odd looking meteorite, asking for comments. This request resulted - via List member Frederic Beroud - in a contact with Jerome Gattacceca from CEREGE in France, who conducted magnetic susceptibility measurements, and kindly offered to help to have it classified. Today I received (provisional) classification results, and want to share them with you: Provisional results by: M. Denise (MNHN)/J. Gattacceca (CEREGE) breccia LL6-L4 shock stage S2-S4 (S2 for the LL lithology and S4 for the L lithology) W1 Microprobe analysis (LL-L lithology) Fayalite 31.5?0.6-25.5?0.5 Fs 26.5?0.4-22.2?0.3 So, it turned out to be an LL6-L4 breccia! I wonder how rare this kind of breccia is, and especially if such a breccia has special scientific value, above ""just" a mix of LL6 and L4 material". Does anybody know an answer to this? Kind regards, Rob Lenssen The Netherlands ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: "Rob Lenssen" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia Hi Bernd + List, As promised, I added some photographs with better resolution. I made them through a magnifying lens. Light is not ideal, but better resolution it has. The first three detail pictures show the area near a dark clasts. Detail nr. 4 shows a 10mm "droplett". Detail nr. 5 shows a 5mm dark spot with the largest metalic iron spot (in the polished planes) to it's right. http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Acfer500g.htm Hope you enjoy it + maybe get some extra info out of it. regards, Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia Thank you very much for your reaction Bernd. Like I wrote before, it was covered in desert varnish when I got it. The two polished planes present fractured sides, that I planed removing as less material as possible. Before planing they already showed dark "lumbs". Like it fractured "around them". Don't think it is planetary though, as it is magnetic and shows the typical (chondrite) dots of iron in the surface. I will try to make better pictures and will share them with you. regards, Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia Hello Rob L. and List, Look what I found after cleaning and polishing a desert varnish covered Acfer: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Acfer500g.htm Dark clasts in lighter matrix. Also metal spots in the dark clasts. Any idea what this might be? In chondrites I typically see lighter clasts in darker matrix. What a beautiful A?fer chondrite! Is it a chondrite after all? The pictures should have a higher resolution. Are there any chondrules? Questions, questions, questions! Anyway, it does look quite fresh, so it should be something like W1 or W2 at most. It does look highly shocked ... at least S4 but more probably S5 or even S6. Well, that sounds like silicate darkening. Maybe the silicate clasts were not so very dark prior to the shock event but experienced extensive darkening (caused by melting of metal-sulfide). As for: "In chondrites I typically see lighter clasts in darker matrix" Here are some chondrites that have dark inclusions: NWA 0869, NWA 0978, NWA 1794, NWA 3346, OUED EL HADJAR, RICHFIELD, TANEZROUFT 061, etc., etc. Anyway, a mighty beautiful "chondrite", something that, as Dean would now say "you just gotta love!" ... and if it is not a chondrite ??? Could this be a planetary meteorite??? Questions, questions, questions! Cheers, Bernd To: rlenssen at planet.nl Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From brimane at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 19:40:27 2008 From: brimane at gmail.com (brian burrer) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:40:27 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Carolina Bays Message-ID: <7fd4f0d50809121640o129da445obab1d96057a3c0eb@mail.gmail.com> Darren and list members, Thank you for the links to the Carolina bays article. I believe that the researchers are probably onto something that will likely be the cause for megafauna extinction. The sterile layer (devoid of cultural remains) above the Clovis layer that exsists in Texas Clovis sites such as the Gault site has always troubled me. This layer can be a few feet in depth and seems to indicate a rather long hiatus of human activity in places where the rest of the record is rich in cultural debutage. Recently I read somewhere of micro-craters on some megafauna horn sheaths and other bones in Alaska. All of this evidence seems to be pointing at a cosmic calamity being a likely death-knell for the big game hunted by early Americans and probably more than a few of the Clovis people themselves. While diesease and overhunting could push species to extinction they do not explain the break in the cultural record. I am a new 'list' member who specializes in tektites- Bediasites in particular. I have hunted them for almost two decades and have found between seven and eight hundred specimens and one Georgiaite. More on that later. Maybe Chicken Little was right... Cheers, Brian From m42protosun at aol.com Sat Sep 13 10:23:51 2008 From: m42protosun at aol.com (m42protosun at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:23:51 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] E bay fraud In-Reply-To: <468bf6050809080828t601df989ifdb435ed495cf067@mail.gmail.com> References: <468bf6050809080828t601df989ifdb435ed495cf067@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAE3C37A842BF3-85C-8BB@webmail-me02.sysops.aol.com> Hello Mike, As I have written in my message from Aug. 26, the most objects offered as Nantans or Campos are made from 'mekong river iron'. That is a Hematite-Magnetite mineral found along the Mekong river. After buying wrong Nantans even from IMCA-members I have myself specialized as a "Nantanwrongs hunter". But ebay, --- NO chance to get a reaction! My advice to you: Polish the slap and you will see the 'HECTAGONS' of the crystal lattice. Then put it in your collection as examples for "iron meteorite wrongs". Best regards Uwe Figge http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpearlyn75 -----Urspr?ngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Mike Miller An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Verschickt: Mo., 8. Sept. 2008, 17:28 Thema: [meteorite-list] E bay fraud Hi all a while back I bought a stone that was supposed to be Nantan on E bay it was actually a pretty good fake. They had added coloring to make it look rusty and a magnet really stuck to it. So I stuck it on the saw thinking it might just be a ball of rust, well as soon as it started cutting it turned the everything a reddish color. When I finished the cut and looked at it, it was stone not iron at all.I would be surprised if it is not hematite. So I contacted the Chinese dealer and told them all of this and after a couple attempts to satisfy me will some discount or a better deal next time. I filed a0D case with Pay pal and demanded a full refund, and that they stop selling these lumps of rock as meteorites. I do not know if they ever really stopped but I see they are back to their same old tricks again, except this time I know that they know they are committing fraud. Does that make any difference? Is there anything we can do? -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ________________________________________________________________________ AOL eMail auf Ihrem Handy! Ab sofort k?nnen Sie auch unterwegs Ihre AOL email abrufen. Registrieren Sie sich jetzt kostenlos. From meteoritemall at yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 10:57:03 2008 From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Cool New Meteorite/Astonomy Articles from Bob King! Message-ID: <447471.565.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, Since Bob is having trouble posting he ask if I'd do it for him. Here's a message from Bob, Hi everyone, Besides collecting meteorites, I love astronomy like many of you do. That's how I got started in meteorites in the first place. I also write a blog on beginning astronomy called Astro Bob. Some of you might be interested in yesterday's topic on meteorites and meteorite hunters. If you are, you can check it out here: www.areavoices.com/astrobob I mention several dealers and collectors on the list but if you're not included, PLEASE don't take offense. I've dealt with so many nice people here over the years. I wish I could have included all of you. And if you have any feedback, please pass it on. I'm always looking for ways to improve my rather average writing skills. Thanks, Bob Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v From meteoriteshow at free.fr Sat Sep 13 11:49:47 2008 From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:49:47 -0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia - provisional classificationresults References: <001501c739c2$ca76a400$9600000a@EIGENAARNJEQJY><001001c73a64$824db5e0$9600000a@EIGENAARNJEQJY> <808631DD7DF84FE7BB8B46CBF9F98ED6@EIGENAARNJEQJY> Message-ID: <002401c915b8$599fa410$460aa8c0@T42> Hi Rob, Many thanks for having kept us informed. It is very interestng and it is true that you now have to follow with M. Denise and J. Gattacceca in order to get it fully recorded by the Met Soc. Congratulations! Cheers Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: ; Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia - provisional classificationresults Hi List, In January 2007, I posted a link ( http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Acfer500g.htm ), pointing to some pictures of an odd looking meteorite, asking for comments. This request resulted - via List member Frederic Beroud - in a contact with Jerome Gattacceca from CEREGE in France, who conducted magnetic susceptibility measurements, and kindly offered to help to have it classified. Today I received (provisional) classification results, and want to share them with you: Provisional results by: M. Denise (MNHN)/J. Gattacceca (CEREGE) breccia LL6-L4 shock stage S2-S4 (S2 for the LL lithology and S4 for the L lithology) W1 Microprobe analysis (LL-L lithology) Fayalite 31.5?0.6-25.5?0.5 Fs 26.5?0.4-22.2?0.3 So, it turned out to be an LL6-L4 breccia! I wonder how rare this kind of breccia is, and especially if such a breccia has special scientific value, above ""just" a mix of LL6 and L4 material". Does anybody know an answer to this? Kind regards, Rob Lenssen The Netherlands ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: "Rob Lenssen" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia Hi Bernd + List, As promised, I added some photographs with better resolution. I made them through a magnifying lens. Light is not ideal, but better resolution it has. The first three detail pictures show the area near a dark clasts. Detail nr. 4 shows a 10mm "droplett". Detail nr. 5 shows a 5mm dark spot with the largest metalic iron spot (in the polished planes) to it's right. http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Acfer500g.htm Hope you enjoy it + maybe get some extra info out of it. regards, Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia Thank you very much for your reaction Bernd. Like I wrote before, it was covered in desert varnish when I got it. The two polished planes present fractured sides, that I planed removing as less material as possible. Before planing they already showed dark "lumbs". Like it fractured "around them". Don't think it is planetary though, as it is magnetic and shows the typical (chondrite) dots of iron in the surface. I will try to make better pictures and will share them with you. regards, Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Acfer breccia Hello Rob L. and List, Look what I found after cleaning and polishing a desert varnish covered Acfer: http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/Acfer500g.htm Dark clasts in lighter matrix. Also metal spots in the dark clasts. Any idea what this might be? In chondrites I typically see lighter clasts in darker matrix. What a beautiful A?fer chondrite! Is it a chondrite after all? The pictures should have a higher resolution. Are there any chondrules? Questions, questions, questions! Anyway, it does look quite fresh, so it should be something like W1 or W2 at most. It does look highly shocked ... at least S4 but more probably S5 or even S6. Well, that sounds like silicate darkening. Maybe the silicate clasts were not so very dark prior to the shock event but experienced extensive darkening (caused by melting of metal-sulfide). As for: "In chondrites I typically see lighter clasts in darker matrix" Here are some chondrites that have dark inclusions: NWA 0869, NWA 0978, NWA 1794, NWA 3346, OUED EL HADJAR, RICHFIELD, TANEZROUFT 061, etc., etc. Anyway, a mighty beautiful "chondrite", something that, as Dean would now say "you just gotta love!" ... and if it is not a chondrite ??? Could this be a planetary meteorite??? Questions, questions, questions! Cheers, Bernd To: rlenssen at planet.nl Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From brimane at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 13:31:18 2008 From: brimane at gmail.com (brian burrer) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:31:18 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Carolina Bays correction Message-ID: <7fd4f0d50809131031m15064fc8k24cd4e096b80d557@mail.gmail.com> List members, First I wish to thank Art for solving my posting problems to the list. I should have rechecked my facts before my earlier posting. The impact strikes found on bison horn sheaths and mammoth tusks are from Siberia not Alaska and are 17,000 years earlier than the event in North America. My apologies. I would post a link but my pc skills are rather meager. Still the two events show that "death from above" was not invented by the US armed forces. Cheers, Brian From markh5 at cox.net Sat Sep 13 14:47:04 2008 From: markh5 at cox.net (Mark Hodges) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:47:04 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] article on meteorite hunting in Antarctica Message-ID: <48CC0AA8.7010101@cox.net> http://www.universetoday.com/2008/09/11/hunting-for-meteorites-at-the-bottom-of-the-world/ From pshugar at clearwire.net Sat Sep 13 22:24:14 2008 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:24:14 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Article Message-ID: <2FD819854A844F73AB7C86AA5C5B0B14@portable> If you are enamored with Mars, then you should try to find a copy of the National Geographic January 1977 issue. This is a 30 page article with knock-your-sox's off stunning photos and a well written text. I stumbled across this while thumbing thru a stack of old NG's. Then there is the bonus article at the end of the issue- Probing the Mystery of the Medicine Wheels by John A. Eddy, Ph. D. The photos are by Thomas E. Hooper. This is more for the astronomy minded members on the list, but still a very interesting piece of literature. Pete From cynapse at charter.net Sat Sep 13 22:49:33 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:49:33 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible new sizable India fall In-Reply-To: <2FD819854A844F73AB7C86AA5C5B0B14@portable> References: <2FD819854A844F73AB7C86AA5C5B0B14@portable> Message-ID: http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1189979 http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?artid=f4UXDltlAOk=&Title=Hosur+witnesses+shower+of+meteorites&SectionID=vBlkz7JCFvA=&MainSectionID=fyV9T2jIa4A=&SectionName=EL7znOtxBM3qzgMyXZKtxw==&SEO= From cynapse at charter.net Sat Sep 13 23:05:46 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:05:46 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Article In-Reply-To: <2FD819854A844F73AB7C86AA5C5B0B14@portable> References: <2FD819854A844F73AB7C86AA5C5B0B14@portable> Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:24:14 -0500, you wrote: >If you are enamored with Mars, then you should try to find >a copy of the National Geographic January 1977 issue. >This is a 30 page article with knock-your-sox's off stunning >photos and a well written text. Here: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/natgeojan77.zip From this: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38.l1313&_nkw=complete+national+geographic+CD-ROM&_sacat=See-All-Categories Worth picking up a copy, if you like that kinda thing. I found my set for 7 bucks at a Goodwill store. From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk Sun Sep 14 09:50:22 2008 From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:50:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD~ebay auctions ending in next few hours Message-ID: <7629635.64461221400222956.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Greetings listees Some may be interested in a few little auctions ending soon--going for buttons so far. 84 gram sikhote-alin with nice regmaglypts http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320296539439 currently about 16 cents a gram--couple hours left ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 76 gram sikhote-alin nice regs--stands on both ends http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320296270706 currently less than a penny a gram--couple hours left ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 94 gram sikhote-alin with nice regs http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320296492186 currently about 15 cents a gram----couple hours left ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 beautiful moldavite specimens---going for pennies http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320296559397 ---7.2 grams http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320296566087 ---8.4 grams ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- NWA978 Rumurutiite ,nice 1.7 gram slice of fairly rare material http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320296891825 currently at 99p,about what $1.70 with the strengthening dollar thanks for your indulgence Have a great Sunday JB http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZemeraldisleminerals From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 10:01:56 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 07:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] the denver show Message-ID: <470899.66013.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all and list.Just wondering what happened at the now over denver show?Any pics or new finds or falls?How did the auction go?Maybe next year I will go to denver,but as always,gearing up for tucson in 2009.We are waiting!!! Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From zneutronz at aol.com Sun Sep 14 10:12:25 2008 From: zneutronz at aol.com (zneutronz at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:12:25 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] still avaiable Message-ID: <8CAE48B0C046560-135C-315E@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> Dear meteorite friends! Once again I need to tell you about a tragedy here in Thailand and I hope that you can help us out. A short time ago, my long-time friend and companion of many Chiang Khan expeditions drowned in the Mekhong river. Mr Tim has left his wife and several children behind, who have now lost the primary breadwinner. Friends of Mr Tim's informed me about the financial crises that the family is in. Mr Tim was a loyal and honest travel companion on many of my expeditions, and we had become good friends. For this reason my wife and I have tried to help Mr Tim's wife and family and have financed a small grocery store. This should help support the family. The total sum we gave towards the store was around Thai Baht 470,000, or around Euro 9,500. We have scrounged up this sum ourselves, even our 4-year- old daughter had to plunder her bank account. To recoup this money, which we now miss dearly, I have decided to sell the last few larger specimens in my collection. Amongst these pieces are two larger Chian Kahn specimens (all the remaining pieces are under 5g). A museum specimen, very unusual, 27.5g. For this exceptional piece I am asking 90 Euro/g. The second item is a 100% crusted, beautifully oriented Chiang Kahn, 63.4g. Here I am asking for 45 Euro/g. Also Offered are the following pieces: * NWA4935, shergottite, 2.956g, partslice * D hofar 310, lunar, 0.352g * NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut Please see these specimens here: http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/ As I have mentioned, we hope to achieve Euro 9,500 with these sales. We trust that you will support us in light of the circumstances of this sale. Thank you so much for your time and consideration, Regards , Oliver IMCA#6131 Oliver Alge Calle Las Artes, Loc. 2 Res. Costa Caleta 38679 La Caleta, Tenerife Islas Canarias, Espa?a phone : 0034-922 711 831 email : ZneutronZ at aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL eMail auf Ihrem Handy! Ab sofort k?nnen Sie auch unterwegs Ihre AOL email abrufen. Registrieren Sie sich jetzt kostenlos. From mikewren at gilanet.com Sun Sep 14 13:07:42 2008 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:07:42 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: HIGHLIGHTS ADDED, Thousands of Dollars Worth Of Meteorites Up For Auction! Store Sale Too! Message-ID: <200809141110731.SM00516@yourfsyly0jtwn> ________________________________________ From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 11:05 AM To: 'michael cottingham' Subject: AD: HIGHLIGHTS ADDED, Thousands of Dollars Worth Of Meteorites Up For Auction! Store Sale Too! Hello, I have a great group of meteorites up for auction this week! Probably $7,000.00+? in value, and all started out at 0.99 cents. Also, I have a nice sale running in my ebay store and new items have been added. Remember, I am always open to good offers on pieces that do not have a Best Offer Button . Thanks. CHECK THESE RARITIES OUT: Super Rare ESNANDES, France, H6 Fall, LTKW, One of the Hardest to find for sale! Worth $500.00+ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253486925 Very Rare OHABA, Romanian Fall From 1857! Only Piece I have and worth more than you can imagine! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253489474 Impossible Rarity! FRANKFORT, Al., Howardite!, Extremely Low Known Weight and worth over $1000.00+ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253609093 Very Beautiful FUKANG, Pallasite 15.23 gram, Super Thin and lovely! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253597441 Very Rare HEX RIVER, IIAB Iron, South Africa, Only piece I have for sale! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253484005 Rare Washington IVA Iron ALBION, 0.18 gram !, Last Specimen I have!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253480726 One of THE RAREST- HONOLULU, Hawaii, 0.069g, Getting down to the last specimens! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253477803 Rare Fall BATH FURNACE, Kentucky, L6, 6.73g, Worth over $300.00+ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253474415 (NEW), Nice L/LL5, NWA 5051, 1258g, MAIN MASS! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253596498 Low Known Weight LAMESA (b),Texas,H4, 9.96g, Only specimen I have! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253490202 NWA 2621, L4, Really Nice, 29.98 gram Complete Slice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253471535 Beautiful GIBEON, IVA Iron Specimen, 49.84g, Fantastic Etching! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253473709 Lunar Impact Melt DHOFAR 911, 0.546 gram, Only Specimen I have! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253472814 A Very Rare and New PALLASITE, NWA 4482, 57.14g (Lot) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253487941 Beautiful Gao, Impact Melt Specimen, 9.04 gr., Last One I have! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253488985 Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 132.50g, Nice Complete Slice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253479463 Spectacular Diogenite, NWA 4755, 11.10 gram, Large Slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253483521 A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 352g, Big Pieces Getting More Difficult to Acquire. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253481950 NWA 2932, Beautiful Mesosiderite, 8.53 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253481167 Super Rare CASTALIA, North Carolina Fall .08g, Last One, I believe! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253477229 NEW, NWA 2393, L4, Complete Slice, 27.87g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253484630 Seldom Available TWODOT, Montana, H6, 4.13g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253482958 Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 1.76g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253476686 Super Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 1.50g, A Great Part Slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253478549 Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 5.32g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253467349 ALSO, Here is A Sweet Deal on A Great Endcut! Beautiful GIBEON, IVA Iron Specimen, 1328 g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253458294 And if you have the spare cash here is one Heck of a Rarity. Yes. An Amazing Opportunity, PASAMONTE, 40.90 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253717108 More specimens too! Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sun Sep 14 16:52:48 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 14 Sep 2008 20:52:48 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Cape York (20-ton Agpalilik) Message-ID: Hello List, and especially those enamored with the Cape York iron meteorite shower and the intriguing story of the discovery of the various, huge masses! According to Vagn Buchwald, "no other meteorite has been so intimately connected with the life and fate of so many people as Cape York." We all know that Cape York is a "must" for any serious collector of meteorites. Cape York had long been on my wish list but it wasn't until February 2008 that I was finally able to acquire an 8.1-gram slice from Mirko Graul. I wanted to get it it because it was special: one side shows the original sawcut surface! But *one* thing was still missing: With Cape York irons, we usually associate a sizable troilite nodule and so I was overjoyed when Mirko offered to the members of the German equivalent of Meteorite Central a perfect, 61.4 g slice with a gorgeous troilite nodule smack in the center of that beautiful slice... .. and I got it! It should be in my mailbox Tuesday or Wednesday and I can hardly wait to welcome it! If you want to find out what I mean and make sure I'm not exaggerating, go to Mirko's EBay offerings. There you'll find its a tad larger "sister slice" but be careful and do not drool on your computer keyboards ;-) http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-CAPE-YORK-large-perfect-etched-slice-Troilite_W0QQitemZ290260089857QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3239QQcmdZViewItem Agpalilikally Yours, Bernd From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 20:19:13 2008 From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] the denver show In-Reply-To: <470899.66013.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <322193.24848.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just returned from Denver, nothing new there, nothing new to buy, prices very high! Ali Hmani had the new desert irons, but from $2.00 to $3.00 gram for large pieces, no thanks. Any more questions? Michael Farmer --- On Sun, 9/14/08, steve arnold wrote: > From: steve arnold > Subject: [meteorite-list] the denver show > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 8:01 AM > Hi all and list.Just wondering what happened at the now over > denver show?Any pics or new finds or falls?How did the > auction go?Maybe next year I will go to denver,but as > always,gearing up for tucson in 2009.We are waiting!!! > > Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 22:46:01 2008 From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] cape york stamp Message-ID: <500848.40094.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> anybody know where these are for sale? From mexicodoug at aim.com Mon Sep 15 00:35:39 2008 From: mexicodoug at aim.com (mexicodoug at aim.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:35:39 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] the denver show In-Reply-To: <322193.24848.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAE503A40A7840-14A4-5919@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Hi Steve and friends from Denver. Steve, your really got to come next year. The local Denver meteorite listmembers and Crado meteorite club hosts organized a super Mexican buffet dinner last night, and it was laid back and enjoyable (hopefully I can go go to a meteorite even one of these days that is not Mexican food since . A nice complement to Tucson. In the main fossil center there was a superb exhibit of, I'm betting of around 50% of all Colorado meteorites. Museum specimens just about every one of them. I think it fit in very well with the theme of the show casing of Colorado minerals and even a hands on gold panning display that was a real family event. Several dealers were here, and I enjoyed chatting with a very educational and professional set up that Fred Hall and his children had.. Otherwise, the deals weren't anything to write home about as Mike alrady mentioned. On second thought, there were deals if you looked hard enough. Hans was dealing with a couple of new items and Blaine had a bunch of new items, for example. The auction was nice, I wanted to bid on Claxton, but I couldn't find my card on time, so someone got a deal. I had the pleasure of meeting Art Ehlmann who kindly placed a few TCU specimens in the auction, and had some very interesting stories to relate regarding Nininger - Monnig correspondence and the like from years backs. Larr Sloan and Larry Johnson, too. Anne Black and the Jensens were both very enthusiastic as always and pleasant. Sorry I missede Matt Morgan. (I wonder if it was his piece of Johnstown in the Colorado meteorite exhibit Must have been a 100 gram half stone or so with the most beautiful, fresh matrix of the show for me. There are many people in Denver that are not hard core meteorite folk that sort of get pulled into it. There just isn't that tense deal-or-die attitude I sometimes see in Tucson. Overall a great small, short, and sweet show set in the foot of snow capped mountains. Thanks to all who made this possible. I just hope the dealers broke even as the traffic seemed light to me, but hey, it was my first tiime visiting this enjoyable show. Comet Shop had some great deals, otherwise Sikhote-Alins just keep drifting upwards in prices for all types and flight marked pieces were rare which uite frankly is scary. Or maybe the early birds got the worms; I came just for the weekend... Hope that helps... Best wuishes, Doug -----Original Message----- From: Michael Farmer To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 4:19 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the denver show Just returned from Denver, nothing new there, nothing new to buy, prices very high! Ali Hmani had the new desert irons, but from $2.00 to $3.00 gram for large pieces, no thanks. Any more questions? Michael Farmer --- On Sun, 9/14/08, steve arnold wrote: > From: steve arnold > Subject: [meteorite-list] the denver show > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 8:01 AM > Hi all and list.Just wondering what happened at the now over > denver show?Any pics or new finds or falls?How did the > auction go?Maybe next year I will go to denver,but as > always,gearing up for tucson in 2009.We are waiting!!! > > Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From pekka.savolainen at dlc.fi Mon Sep 15 00:40:32 2008 From: pekka.savolainen at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:40:32 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] cape york stamp In-Reply-To: <500848.40094.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <500848.40094.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48CDE740.8040103@dlc.fi> http://www.stamp-shop.com/greenland-stamps.html (UK) http://www.stampview.com/green/index.html (US) PayPal available they should also have FDC:s for sale. On eBay a nice block of four; http://cgi.ebay.com/Greenland-Stones-marg-block-G-028-MNH_W0QQitemZ180289331245QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item180289331245&_trkparms=72%3A1163|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 best, pekka s mckinney trammell kirjoitti: > anybody know where these are for sale? > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From michael at spacerocksinc.com Mon Sep 15 00:49:09 2008 From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 15, 2008 Message-ID: <9794276.346871221454149732.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_15_2008.html From darryl at dof3.com Mon Sep 15 08:15:26 2008 From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:15:26 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] DESERT IRONS / Re: the denver show In-Reply-To: <322193.24848.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <322193.24848.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I respectfully disagree with Mike's comment below. It would seem to me that the scarcity of desert irons (e.g., the miniscule total known weight as well as with the paucity of different events) necessarily results in desert irons being one of the better bargains of the day. Given the extremely modest supply, I'm confident in years hence we will wistfully recall we could have purchased among the last large desert irons for $2-3/g. Frankly, I'm still smarting over the fact that twenty years ago I could have purchased even more Gibeons at $18/kg. Yes, I'm a buyer of desert irons and I will buy more. All best, Darryl On Sep 14, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: > Just returned from Denver, nothing new there, nothing new to buy, > prices very high! Ali Hmani had the new desert irons, but from > $2.00 to $3.00 gram for large pieces, no thanks. > Any more questions? > Michael Farmer > From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Mon Sep 15 09:05:23 2008 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:05:23 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] New Desert Iron - Etch Pattern! In-Reply-To: References: <322193.24848.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d001c91733$b777c320$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Hi Darryl, I have to agree, and that not only because I have still some for sale. The new irons are great, in many respects. Yesterday Svend Buhl published on his page an expertly prepared - by Mark Jost - cut surface of the new iron. Now look at that! http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/meteoriten_verkauf.htm Isn't that a fantastic silicated iron? To me it is as beautiful as Zagora, isn't it? I guess, now the case can be closed, that it could be Ziz. The scarcity of desert irons is more than evident. We arrived at NWA-number 5000, but the Bulletin-Database has only 9 (nine) NWA-irons. Oman 2500 finds, one single iron among them. That is also reason, why desert irons, with the exception of small Tazas (larger Taza seems to be paid higher, because they are more difficult to obtain), were rel. highly paid, more expensive as the mass locales. But, aside the appealing interior, the main thing, which makes these new irons so attractive, are the regmaglypts and the sculpturing. The possibilities for a collector, to get in complete specimens, displaying such detailed and well preserved regmaglypts at an affordable price or even at all, are somewhat limited. - First and foremost, of course: Sikhote-Alin. - Taza - Ziz (but meanwhile very difficult to find) - Glorieta Mountain and more don't come to my mind. So seen on the one hand, the rarity of desert irons and the quality of the new irons, I would say, it is really an exciting recovery. (and if I keep the price developments of desert irons in past and the price ranges of the few fine regmaglypted alternatives in mind, I would say at such a price, no matter, whether there will surface more or not, rather a "yes please!", than a "no thanks!). http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/1678g-4.jpg Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Darryl Pitt Gesendet: Montag, 15. September 2008 14:15 An: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] DESERT IRONS / Re: the denver show I respectfully disagree with Mike's comment below. It would seem to me that the scarcity of desert irons (e.g., the miniscule total known weight as well as with the paucity of different events) necessarily results in desert irons being one of the better bargains of the day. Given the extremely modest supply, I'm confident in years hence we will wistfully recall we could have purchased among the last large desert irons for $2-3/g. Frankly, I'm still smarting over the fact that twenty years ago I could have purchased even more Gibeons at $18/kg. Yes, I'm a buyer of desert irons and I will buy more. All best, Darryl From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 11:00:04 2008 From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] New Desert Iron - Etch Pattern! In-Reply-To: <00d001c91733$b777c320$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <320052.20978.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, don't get me wrong, I bought a multi-kilo piece of this meteorite month ago, it is fantastic. However, I feel that paying $30,000 for a 10 kilo piece just out of the desert from a wholesaler is too much. They said it was oriented because it had a flow line! I have seen well over 100 kilos of pieces. It is clearly NOT Ziz, as I have owned many pieces of Ziz. It is a fantastic iron, and I am glad to have a nice piece. If the price comes down a bit, then I would be an enthusiastic buyer. Michael Farmer --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Martin Altmann wrote: > From: Martin Altmann > Subject: [meteorite-list] New Desert Iron - Etch Pattern! > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 7:05 AM > Hi Darryl, > > I have to agree, > and that not only because I have still some for sale. > The new irons are great, in many respects. > > Yesterday Svend Buhl published on his page an expertly > prepared - by Mark > Jost - cut surface of the new iron. > > Now look at that! > http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/meteoriten_verkauf.htm > > Isn't that a fantastic silicated iron? > To me it is as beautiful as Zagora, isn't it? > > I guess, now the case can be closed, that it could be Ziz. > > > The scarcity of desert irons is more than evident. > We arrived at NWA-number 5000, but the Bulletin-Database > has only 9 (nine) > NWA-irons. > Oman 2500 finds, one single iron among them. > > That is also reason, why desert irons, with the exception > of small Tazas > (larger Taza seems to be paid higher, because they are more > difficult to > obtain), > were rel. highly paid, more expensive as the mass locales. > > > But, aside the appealing interior, the main thing, which > makes these new > irons so attractive, are the regmaglypts and the > sculpturing. > > The possibilities for a collector, to get in complete > specimens, displaying > such detailed and well preserved regmaglypts at an > affordable price or even > at all, are somewhat limited. > > - First and foremost, of course: Sikhote-Alin. > > - Taza > > - Ziz (but meanwhile very difficult to find) > > - Glorieta Mountain > > and more don't come to my mind. > > > So seen on the one hand, the rarity of desert irons > and the quality of the new irons, > I would say, it is really an exciting recovery. > > (and if I keep the price developments of desert irons in > past and the price > ranges of the few fine regmaglypted alternatives in mind, I > would say at > such a price, no matter, whether there will surface more or > not, > rather a "yes please!", than a "no thanks!). > > http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/1678g-4.jpg > > Martin > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im > Auftrag von Darryl > Pitt > Gesendet: Montag, 15. September 2008 14:15 > An: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] DESERT IRONS / Re: the denver > show > > > I respectfully disagree with Mike's comment below. > > It would seem to me that the scarcity of desert irons > (e.g., the > miniscule total known weight as well as with the paucity of > different > events) necessarily results in desert irons being one of > the better > bargains of the day. Given the extremely modest supply, > I'm > confident in years hence we will wistfully recall we could > have > purchased among the last large desert irons for $2-3/g. > > Frankly, I'm still smarting over the fact that twenty > years ago I > could have purchased even more Gibeons at $18/kg. > > Yes, I'm a buyer of desert irons and I will buy more. > > > All best, > > Darryl > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 14:07:27 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to gary webber Message-ID: <284779.5038.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list.I want to publicly thank Gary webber for sending me a part slice of NWA 4716.He received one of my bassi's I gave away last week.It is a nice 10 gram piece.He says though on his website it is a H6.More like an L6!My magnet barely picked it up.It is still provisional so we will have to wait and see.But thanks again.It is nice to have gestures come your way sometimes. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From bristolia at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 14:45:10 2008 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Koronis asteroid dust within Antarctic ice Message-ID: <626308.67761.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Koronis asteroid dust within Antarctic ice Genge, M. J., 2008, Koronis asteroid dust within Antarctic ice. Geology. vol. 36, no. 9, pp. 687-690. http://www.gsajournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1130%2FG24493A.1 http://www.gsajournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-toc&issn=0091-7613 Ancient Koronis Space Rocks Reveal The Origin Of Cosmic Dust, Submitted by News Staff on 2 September 2008 - http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/ancient_koronis_space_rocks_reveal_the_origin_of_cosmic_dust Origin Of Cosmic Dust That Lands On Earth Discovered http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080902075227.htm Yours, Paul H. From drtanuki at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 15:49:47 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Meteorites, Sun, Moon, Stars and Comet in World languages updated Message-ID: <171600.43551.qm@web53210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear List, I have added many additional languages including about 20 from Native Australian languages. Please have a look at these webpages and my site if you wish. All additions and corrections appreciated.? ? ?? Meteorite in World Languages IN 110 LANGUAGES 31AUG08 ? ?? The Sun in World Languages IN 494 Languages 4SEP08 ? ? The Moon in World Languages IN 420 Languages 4SEP08 ? ? The Star(s) in World Languages IN 208 Languages 3SEP08 ? ?? Comet in World LanguagesIN 111 Languages 3SEP08 Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.meteoritesjapan.com www.insekijapan.com ? From eric at meteoritewatch.com Mon Sep 15 17:57:06 2008 From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:57:06 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions Ending Tonight! Sikhotes, Franconia, Canyons, & NWAs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CEDA32.3070305@meteoritewatch.com> Hi all, We have more auctions ending tonight. Some great Sikhote Alin Irons, a Franconia H5 Chondrite end cut, slices, and lots of Gorgeous NWAs at low prices starting at only 99 cents! Current Auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/freel3orn 79.4g Oriented Sikhote Alin Iron With Flow Lines: http://cgi.ebay.com/79-4-SIKHOTE-ALIN-IRON-METEORITE-RUSSIA-S-79-4_W0QQitemZ260286840211 Plus some Canyon Diablo irons as well... Check them out! Current Auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfreel3orn Good Luck and Happy Bidding Everyone! Regards, Eric Wichman Jaime Kelly Bits Of Earth MeteoritesUSA.com MeteoriteWatch.com 904-236-5394 Office 909-697-6577 Mobile www.bitsofearth.com www.meteoritesusa.com www.meteoritewatch.com From epgrondine at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 18:00:31 2008 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ancient Alaska and Siberia iron impacts Message-ID: <604535.13209.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Brian - If you can go back and check Firstone et al's original presentation, with RC and images of the bones, you'll find two different hits, one in Alaska 30,000 BCE, and a musk ox skull from another iron hit in Siberia later, say 25,000 BCE. Anybody got a link? E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the America From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Mon Sep 15 18:02:03 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 15 Sep 2008 22:02:03 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Message-ID: Hello Eric and List, Extremely beautiful! Thumbprints on both sides but large shallow ones on the front side and smaller ones on the backside of this specimen! http://cgi.ebay.com/95-8-SIKHOTE-ALIN-IRON-METEORITE-RUSSIA-S-95-8-A_W0QQitemZ250294488996QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250294488996&_trkparms=72%3A1163%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 Cheers, Bernd From Impactika at aol.com Mon Sep 15 18:26:21 2008 From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:26:21 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] the denver show Message-ID: In a message dated 9/14/2008 6:19:27 PM Mountain Daylight Time, meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes: Just returned from Denver, nothing new there, nothing new to buy, prices very high! Ali Hmani had the new desert irons, but from $2.00 to $3.00 gram for large pieces, no thanks. Any more questions? Michael Farmer ------------------------------------------------------ I am very sorry, Micheal, you couldn't find anything to pick your interest in Denver. As Doug explained (thank you Doug), there were things to be found. I had very little time to search but I did find a few interesting pieces, like a Gibeon slice you could play horse-shoe with, and a 80 grams crystal of Gibeon. And I stocked up on cute little slices of Imilac, and got a beautiful large slice of Seymchan from Blaine. And did you go to Dima's room? He had boxes and boxes of Libyan Glass. The first day I simply up-ended one box and searched, and picked out some very pretty pieces, and the translucent 2 kilos mass sitting there. The next day he pulled out the Green Monster from under the bed: 6.4 kilos, mostly green with light streaks. Could it be the main mass of Libyan Glass? ;-) Don't bother emailing Dima, he doesn't have it anymore. See you all in Tucson, it is only four and a half months away. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ IMPACTIKA at aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 20:03:29 2008 From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] the denver show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <917699.75549.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anne, there was nothing there that can not be found on Ebay every day. And Dima's LDG, I brought it to him from my garage, so yes, I was aware of it for the last 3 months. Denver is nice, but if you wanted new meteorites, large pieces, good deals on anything other than micros, it was not there. I spent more on hotels and food than meteorites, what does that say? I seriously doubt that I will attend the show next year. Michael Farmer --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Impactika at aol.com wrote: > From: Impactika at aol.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the denver show > To: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 4:26 PM > In a message dated 9/14/2008 6:19:27 PM Mountain Daylight > Time, > meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes: > Just returned from Denver, nothing new there, nothing new > to buy, prices very > high! Ali Hmani had the new desert irons, but from $2.00 to > $3.00 gram for > large pieces, no thanks. > Any more questions? > Michael Farmer > ------------------------------------------------------ > > I am very sorry, Micheal, you couldn't find anything to > pick your interest in > Denver. > > As Doug explained (thank you Doug), there were things to be > found. I had very > little time to search but I did find a few interesting > pieces, like a Gibeon > slice you could play horse-shoe with, and a 80 grams > crystal of Gibeon. And I > stocked up on cute little slices of Imilac, and got a > beautiful large slice of > Seymchan from Blaine. > And did you go to Dima's room? He had boxes and boxes > of Libyan Glass. The > first day I simply up-ended one box and searched, and > picked out some very > pretty pieces, and the translucent 2 kilos mass sitting > there. > The next day he pulled out the Green Monster from under the > bed: 6.4 kilos, > mostly green with light streaks. Could it be the main mass > of Libyan Glass? > ;-) > > Don't bother emailing Dima, he doesn't have it > anymore. > See you all in Tucson, it is only four and a half months > away. > > Anne M. Black > http://www.impactika.com/ > IMPACTIKA at aol.com > Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. > http://www.imca.cc/ > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's > a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at > StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com Mon Sep 15 20:15:01 2008 From: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com (mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:15:01 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] the denver show In-Reply-To: <917699.75549.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <917699.75549.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <726370576-1221524172-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2091129768-@bxe193.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I had the same impression as Mike (hey we agreed for once :). Nothing you couldn't buy on the net someplace. I felt the same after Tucson 2008, although it is magnified in Denver because of the small size of the show. Meteorites are much, much less plentiful than even two years ago. Specimens that seem expensive now, will look like bargains in 5 years. Nonetheless, Denver is always a good place catch up with friends and I like the short duration. Matt Morgan ---------------------- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -----Original Message----- From: Michael Farmer Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:03:29 To: ; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the denver show Anne, there was nothing there that can not be found on Ebay every day. And Dima's LDG, I brought it to him from my garage, so yes, I was aware of it for the last 3 months. Denver is nice, but if you wanted new meteorites, large pieces, good deals on anything other than micros, it was not there. I spent more on hotels and food than meteorites, what does that say? I seriously doubt that I will attend the show next year. Michael Farmer --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Impactika at aol.com wrote: > From: Impactika at aol.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the denver show > To: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 4:26 PM > In a message dated 9/14/2008 6:19:27 PM Mountain Daylight > Time, > meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes: > Just returned from Denver, nothing new there, nothing new > to buy, prices very > high! Ali Hmani had the new desert irons, but from $2.00 to > $3.00 gram for > large pieces, no thanks. > Any more questions? > Michael Farmer > ------------------------------------------------------ > > I am very sorry, Micheal, you couldn't find anything to > pick your interest in > Denver. > > As Doug explained (thank you Doug), there were things to be > found. I had very > little time to search but I did find a few interesting > pieces, like a Gibeon > slice you could play horse-shoe with, and a 80 grams > crystal of Gibeon. And I > stocked up on cute little slices of Imilac, and got a > beautiful large slice of > Seymchan from Blaine. > And did you go to Dima's room? He had boxes and boxes > of Libyan Glass. The > first day I simply up-ended one box and searched, and > picked out some very > pretty pieces, and the translucent 2 kilos mass sitting > there. > The next day he pulled out the Green Monster from under the > bed: 6.4 kilos, > mostly green with light streaks. Could it be the main mass > of Libyan Glass? > ;-) > > Don't bother emailing Dima, he doesn't have it > anymore. > See you all in Tucson, it is only four and a half months > away. > > Anne M. Black > http://www.impactika.com/ > IMPACTIKA at aol.com > Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. > http://www.imca.cc/ > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's > a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at > StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com Mon Sep 15 20:14:13 2008 From: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com (mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:14:13 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] the denver show In-Reply-To: <917699.75549.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <917699.75549.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1223318907-1221524121-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1450693077-@bxe193.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I had the same impression as Mike (hey we agreed for once :). Nothing you couldn't buy on the net someplace. I felt the same after Tucson 2008, although it is magnified in Denver because of the small size of the show. Meteorites are much, much less plentiful than even two years ago. Specimens that seem expensive now, will look like bargains in 5 years. Nonetheless, Denver is always a good place catch up with friends and I like the short duration. Matt Morgan ---------------------- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -----Original Message----- From: Michael Farmer Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:03:29 To: ; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the denver show Anne, there was nothing there that can not be found on Ebay every day. And Dima's LDG, I brought it to him from my garage, so yes, I was aware of it for the last 3 months. Denver is nice, but if you wanted new meteorites, large pieces, good deals on anything other than micros, it was not there. I spent more on hotels and food than meteorites, what does that say? I seriously doubt that I will attend the show next year. Michael Farmer --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Impactika at aol.com wrote: > From: Impactika at aol.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the denver show > To: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 4:26 PM > In a message dated 9/14/2008 6:19:27 PM Mountain Daylight > Time, > meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes: > Just returned from Denver, nothing new there, nothing new > to buy, prices very > high! Ali Hmani had the new desert irons, but from $2.00 to > $3.00 gram for > large pieces, no thanks. > Any more questions? > Michael Farmer > ------------------------------------------------------ > > I am very sorry, Micheal, you couldn't find anything to > pick your interest in > Denver. > > As Doug explained (thank you Doug), there were things to be > found. I had very > little time to search but I did find a few interesting > pieces, like a Gibeon > slice you could play horse-shoe with, and a 80 grams > crystal of Gibeon. And I > stocked up on cute little slices of Imilac, and got a > beautiful large slice of > Seymchan from Blaine. > And did you go to Dima's room? He had boxes and boxes > of Libyan Glass. The > first day I simply up-ended one box and searched, and > picked out some very > pretty pieces, and the translucent 2 kilos mass sitting > there. > The next day he pulled out the Green Monster from under the > bed: 6.4 kilos, > mostly green with light streaks. Could it be the main mass > of Libyan Glass? > ;-) > > Don't bother emailing Dima, he doesn't have it > anymore. > See you all in Tucson, it is only four and a half months > away. > > Anne M. Black > http://www.impactika.com/ > IMPACTIKA at aol.com > Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. > http://www.imca.cc/ > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's > a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at > StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From John at Cabassi.net Mon Sep 15 21:37:20 2008 From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:37:20 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to gary webber References: <284779.5038.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006201c9179c$cf624230$4564fea9@TITAN> G'Day Steve I also wanted to thank you for your generosity. We received our Bassi today, it's fantastic. A really nice piece. We both really appreciate it. Thanks again mate! Cheers Johnno P.S. And also List, if I'm talking in plural, I'm referring to my lifetime partner and friend Katina ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve arnold" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to gary webber > Hi list.I want to publicly thank Gary webber for sending me a part slice > of NWA 4716.He received one of my bassi's I gave away last week.It is a > nice 10 gram piece.He says though on his website it is a H6.More like an > L6!My magnet barely picked it up.It is still provisional so we will have > to wait and see.But thanks again.It is nice to have gestures come your way > sometimes. > > Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From brimane at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 22:04:49 2008 From: brimane at gmail.com (brian burrer) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:04:49 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Darwin Glass Message-ID: <7fd4f0d50809151904q11ec6fbbl90e6bd2c2f0b80e9@mail.gmail.com> Hello List members, I am looking for a source to purchase 100 g to 1/2 kg of Darwin Glass. If anyone has some to sell, or trade for bediasite, or knows of a contact where it could be purchased I'd be grateful for your help. Thanks, Brian From MeteorHntr at aol.com Mon Sep 15 22:30:05 2008 From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:30:05 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Pallasite Help needed Message-ID: Hello List, I am needing to talk with someone off list that knows a LOT about pallasites from a scientific point of view. Any pallasite experts, that would be able to answer some questions, please contact me. Thanks, Steve Arnold #1 **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From minador at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 22:37:20 2008 From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:37:20 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Libyan Desert Glass at Denver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000101c917a5$26058b30$7210a190$@com> > -----Original Message----- > And did you go to Dima's room? He had boxes and boxes of Libyan Glass. > The first day I simply up-ended one box and searched, and picked out some > very pretty pieces, and the translucent 2 kilos mass sitting there. > The next day he pulled out the Green Monster from under the bed: 6.4 > kilos, mostly green with light streaks. Could it be the main mass of Libyan > Glass? ;-) > > Don't bother emailing Dima, he doesn't have it anymore. Hello everybody, I'm interested in a similar specimen of LDG (something large, 4+ Kg). Please contact me off list if you're willing to part with something similar. Thanks, Mark -- Mark Bowling Vail, AZ IMCA #6645 o(:-) From chinaren76 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 22:58:09 2008 From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] the denver show In-Reply-To: <726370576-1221524172-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2091129768-@bxe193.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <367719.42921.qm@web52707.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Matt, Mike, Anne and all, No chance to attend the Denver show, just read stuff from list members. It seems that large, new meteorite finds are most favored nowdays. Okay, i offer such info from China to you guys, 1.) New Iron, one piece, found in 2001, weight = 530 kg or so; 2.) New pallasite, one piece, found in 2006, weight = not be weighted exactly as of today because it is too huge to be weighted. Six strong guys can move it a little only, together. I can not afford to purchase any piece of the two. Maybe, you can. Best wishes, Ma Lan --- On Tue, 9/16/08, mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com wrote: > From: mmorgan at mhmeteorites.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the denver show > To: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, Impactika at aol.com > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:15 AM > I had the same impression as Mike (hey we agreed for once > :). Nothing you couldn't buy on the net someplace. I > felt the same after Tucson 2008, although it is magnified in > Denver because of the small size of the show. > Meteorites are much, much less plentiful than even two > years ago. Specimens that seem expensive now, will look like > bargains in 5 years. > > Nonetheless, Denver is always a good place catch up with > friends and I like the short duration. > > Matt Morgan > ---------------------- > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Farmer > > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:03:29 > To: ; > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the denver show > > > Anne, there was nothing there that can not be found on Ebay > every day. And Dima's LDG, I brought it to him from my > garage, so yes, I was aware of it for the last 3 months. > Denver is nice, but if you wanted new meteorites, large > pieces, good deals on anything other than micros, it was not > there. > I spent more on hotels and food than meteorites, what does > that say? I seriously doubt that I will attend the show next > year. > Michael Farmer > > > --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Impactika at aol.com > wrote: > > > From: Impactika at aol.com > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the denver show > > To: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com, > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 4:26 PM > > In a message dated 9/14/2008 6:19:27 PM Mountain > Daylight > > Time, > > meteoriteguy at yahoo.com writes: > > Just returned from Denver, nothing new there, nothing > new > > to buy, prices very > > high! Ali Hmani had the new desert irons, but from > $2.00 to > > $3.00 gram for > > large pieces, no thanks. > > Any more questions? > > Michael Farmer > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > I am very sorry, Micheal, you couldn't find > anything to > > pick your interest in > > Denver. > > > > As Doug explained (thank you Doug), there were things > to be > > found. I had very > > little time to search but I did find a few interesting > > pieces, like a Gibeon > > slice you could play horse-shoe with, and a 80 grams > > crystal of Gibeon. And I > > stocked up on cute little slices of Imilac, and got a > > beautiful large slice of > > Seymchan from Blaine. > > And did you go to Dima's room? He had boxes and > boxes > > of Libyan Glass. The > > first day I simply up-ended one box and searched, and > > picked out some very > > pretty pieces, and the translucent 2 kilos mass > sitting > > there. > > The next day he pulled out the Green Monster from > under the > > bed: 6.4 kilos, > > mostly green with light streaks. Could it be the main > mass > > of Libyan Glass? > > ;-) > > > > Don't bother emailing Dima, he doesn't have it > > anymore. > > See you all in Tucson, it is only four and a half > months > > away. > > > > Anne M. Black > > http://www.impactika.com/ > > IMPACTIKA at aol.com > > Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. > > http://www.imca.cc/ > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? > There's > > a new fashion blog, > > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at > > StyleList.com. > > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From eric at meteoritewatch.com Mon Sep 15 23:24:21 2008 From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:24:21 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CF26E5.3080509@meteoritewatch.com> Bernd, Thanks! it is a gorgeous piece, and was my favorite of four new pieces I received last week. I knew that one would sell first! I almost kept it for my collection... ;) Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Date: 15 Sep 2008 22:02:03 UT To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Hello Eric and List, Extremely beautiful! Thumbprints on both sides but large shallow ones on the front side and smaller ones on the backside of this specimen! http://cgi.ebay.com/95-8-SIKHOTE-ALIN-IRON-METEORITE-RUSSIA-S-95-8-A_W0QQitemZ250294488996QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250294488996&_trkparms=72%3A1163%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 Cheers, Bernd From meteorhound at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 23:43:06 2008 From: meteorhound at yahoo.com (Patricia Harris) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 4734 thin section wanted Message-ID: <171248.47785.qm@web59604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello List, Does anyone have a NWA 4734 thin section or know who might have it Thanks, Tim Heitz From michael at spacerocksinc.com Tue Sep 16 05:17:39 2008 From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 16, 2008 Message-ID: <4033779.526441221556659763.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_16_2008.html From gary at webbers.com Tue Sep 16 08:38:02 2008 From: gary at webbers.com (Gary K. Foote) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:38:02 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to gary webber Message-ID: <48CF706A.5419.85D124@gary.webbers.com> Hi Steve, LOL - You made a common error. It is my business that is named Webbers Communications [because we are in the web business]. My last name is really Foote. :) Glad you liked the 4716. Gary From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 09:12:24 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] a simple mistake Message-ID: <308034.56744.qm@web57807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all and gary.I want to apologize to gary foote.It was meant as a thanks to gary foote not gary webber.He has his own business called webbers.Again sorry! Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From brandes at gmx.at Tue Sep 16 11:28:50 2008 From: brandes at gmx.at (Stefan Brandes) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:28:50 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] new Fall in India References: <917699.75549.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c91810$ec1e1e70$f49a2fd5@HP17984996113> Hi Mike, any news on the new india fall near HOSUR? Im very interested in new falls, and I?m very sorry to read so little about them on this list... Any suggestions where to find information of new falls? many thanks, Stefan From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 11:32:53 2008 From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Large ebay sale today, one cent items Message-ID: <713510.57003.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello again, it is that day of the week, EBAY day! http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/ See the link above showing all of my auctions from both of my ebay usernames. I have some wonderful pieces ending this week, many goodies, take a look, many are still at one cent. Michael Farmer From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 11:54:29 2008 From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas birthday yesterday. Message-ID: <587827.25155.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I got busy yesterday and totally forgot to email the list. Yesterday, 15 September, the Carancas meteorite slammed into the Peruvian countryside. This event, a crater-forming chondrite, made worldwide news for months and forced scientists to re-think cratering models since it should not have happened. I was in Spain, with Robert Ward and Moritz Karl that day. We woke up on the 16th, (today one year ago) and I borrowed Moritz's computer to check my email before we got ready for the daily grind of picking up "La Mancha" eucrites. I saw a news article detailing the fall of a massive meteorite which made a crater in Peru. There were photos and even video. The problem was, when they started making all the statements about gasses and people getting sick because of the smell, we all thought that it was more likely some sort of volcanic gas blowout. Later when they showed pictures of the gray fragments of stone, I became much more interested. When Robert and I were at the Madrid airport a couple of days later, we were discussing that we would get home and have to get things taken care of because it looked possible that it was a meteorite fall and we would be on our way to South America. I returned from Spain, and a day later I had tickets to both Peru and Colombia. A Cali stone (the last one) had been recovered and the seller told me to come get it immediately or he would start contacting other dealers. I had all of the other Cali stones, so I was not willing to risk letting that one go. I flew to Cali, bought the stone, and flew home the next day, only to wash my clothes, and repack my bags for the trip to Peru on the following morning. I did not want to go to Peru from Colombia, as I did not want to carry so much money or the Cali stone down there. The rest, as they say, is history. I just wanted to remind everyone of the very important first birthday that passed by yesterday both here and in Peru it seems, with nobody recalling that important meteorite fall. Michael Farmer From mikewren at gilanet.com Tue Sep 16 18:54:10 2008 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:54:10 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: SUPER RARE, Howardite From Alabama, Esnandes From France, Ohaba from Romania! Message-ID: <200809161656874.SM01600@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello, I have a great group of meteorites up for auction this week! Probably $7,000.00+? in value, and all started out at 0.99 cents. Also, I have a nice sale running in my ebay store and new items have been added. Remember, I am always open to good offers on pieces that do not have a Best Offer Button . Thanks. Go Here: http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store? or CHECK THESE RARITIES OUT: Super Rare ESNANDES, France, H6 Fall, LTKW, One of the Hardest to find for sale! Worth $500.00+ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253486925 Very Rare OHABA, Romanian Fall From 1857! Only Piece I have and worth more than you can imagine! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253489474 Impossible Rarity! FRANKFORT, Al., Howardite!, Extremely Low Known Weight and worth over $1000.00+ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253609093 Very Beautiful FUKANG, Pallasite 15.23 gram, Super Thin and lovely! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253597441 Very Rare HEX RIVER, IIAB Iron, South Africa, Only piece I have for sale! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253484005 Rare Washington IVA Iron ALBION, 0.18 gram !, Last Specimen I have!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253480726 One of THE RAREST- HONOLULU, Hawaii, 0.069g, Getting down to the last specimens! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253477803 Rare Fall BATH FURNACE, Kentucky, L6, 6.73g, Worth over $300.00+ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253474415 (NEW), Nice L/LL5, NWA 5051, 1258g, MAIN MASS! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253596498 Low Known Weight LAMESA (b),Texas,H4, 9.96g, Only specimen I have! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253490202 NWA 2621, L4, Really Nice, 29.98 gram Complete Slice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253471535 Beautiful GIBEON, IVA Iron Specimen, 49.84g, Fantastic Etching! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253473709 Lunar Impact Melt DHOFAR 911, 0.546 gram, Only Specimen I have! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253472814 A Very Rare and New PALLASITE, NWA 4482, 57.14g (Lot) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253487941 Beautiful Gao, Impact Melt Specimen, 9.04 gr., Last One I have! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253488985 Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 132.50g, Nice Complete Slice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253479463 Spectacular Diogenite, NWA 4755, 11.10 gram, Large Slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253483521 A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 352g, Big Pieces Getting More Difficult to Acquire. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253481950 NWA 2932, Beautiful Mesosiderite, 8.53 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253481167 Super Rare CASTALIA, North Carolina Fall .08g, Last One, I believe! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253477229 NEW, NWA 2393, L4, Complete Slice, 27.87g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253484630 Seldom Available TWODOT, Montana, H6, 4.13g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253482958 Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 1.76g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253476686 Super Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 1.50g, A Great Part Slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253478549 Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 5.32g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253467349 More specimens too! Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From bobadebt at ec.rr.com Tue Sep 16 19:03:19 2008 From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:03:19 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Zag Auction with no Bids Message-ID: <288F168FC89D4252AB8E19BBD6CC61F5@David> I have a super nice 6 gram slice listed on ebay with no bids yet and less then 2 hours to go http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330270347121 I also have a nice variety of slices available from my web site for $3 per gram http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/FS%20Zag.htm The slices have a lot of surface for their weight. They have fantastic brecciation and loads of metal. All of them are a bargain at $3 per gram If you are interested please contact me off list at bobadebt at ec.rr.com Thanks From gmhupe at htn.net Tue Sep 16 19:35:08 2008 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:35:08 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fantastic Auctions Ending - AD Message-ID: <18663924F2634EBCA471D1CE56C33F05@Gregor> Dear List Members, I would like to take this opportunity to let all who are interested in fantastic meteorites know that I have nearly 200 eBay auctions ending tomorrow (Wednesday, September 17th) throughout the day and night. Many are the last that are available of each. All can be seen by clicking this link to seller, NaturesVault: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault Here is the "Quick List" in order offered on eBay: NWA 1878 Mesosiderite (Only 5 Slices) NWA 1879 Mesosiderite Slices (Last 9 Specimens) NWA 2932 Mesosiderite Slices (Excellent!) Chergach H5-IMB (MUST SEE) NWA 2952 CK4 (Last 8 Slices) NWA 3161 LL3.7 (Interesting & Nice) NWA 4468 Primitive Shergottite (One of the Freshest Saharan Martians!) NWA 4529 Lodranite (ONLY 2 Specimens Left!) NWA 4587 (The LARGEST of the rare NWA 011 Pairings) NWA 4590 "Tamassint" Angrite (Awe-Inspiring, a Dazzler!) NWA 4799 Authentic Aubrite (Check This One Out) NWA 4800 CK5 (Just 8 Pieces Left) NWA 4801 Angrite (Super Fresh!! Largest pieces) NWA 4883 Maskelynite-rich Eucrite (Lunar-like!) NWA 4934 Brecciated Howardite (GORGEOUS, Only 4 Slices Available) NWA 869 L4-6 Individuals and 1-kilo Lots (Excellent Stones) Unclassified Saharan 2-kilo Lots (As Cheap as They Get!) If you are interested in any of these, this may be your last chance to acquire it for your collection. Good Luck!! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault From pshugar at clearwire.net Tue Sep 16 22:11:44 2008 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:11:44 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] October Sky and Telescope Message-ID: <225624FDF066452CAB58CDDBFE3AD249@portable> To my rather inexperienced eye there was only one very glaringly large error in the whole feature and that was the fact that it wasn't near long enough. I reached the last page and frantically keep turning the pages in the vain hope that there was more of the feature lurking in the back of the book, but alas, there was no more. What I did read was excellent. The rest of the book , thou not meteorite related, was still informative. Maybe a later article, Ruben? Geoff? Pete From meteoritemall at yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 00:39:43 2008 From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] October Sky and Telescope In-Reply-To: <225624FDF066452CAB58CDDBFE3AD249@portable> Message-ID: <3227.60334.qm@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Pete, Geoff and I had fun doing that article and would love to do another. Even better, a monthly column!! Maybe if the good guys at S&T get enough positive email they will once again call on us! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Pete Shugar wrote: > From: Pete Shugar > Subject: [meteorite-list] October Sky and Telescope > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 7:11 PM > To my rather inexperienced eye there was only one > very glaringly large error in the whole feature and that > was the fact that it wasn't near long enough. I reached > > the last page and frantically keep turning the pages in the > vain hope that there was more of the feature lurking in > the > back of the book, but alas, there was no more. > What I did read was excellent. The rest of the book , thou > not meteorite related, was still informative. > Maybe a later article, Ruben? Geoff? > Pete > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 02:06:19 2008 From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver show, insults Message-ID: <124165.85554.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone. I have tonight received a terrible insult from someone I never expected it from, someone whom I have never done anything to. It seems that the fact that the Denver show had nothing new really pissed a seller off. I have every right to say what I saw there, as the question was asked on this list. Anyone who saw things differently of course, should respond as well. Again, I saw nothing there that is not for sale on ebay or at other shows, no new falls, no new finds, no bulk material other than LDG, Campo and Sikhote shrapnel, none new. Did I miss something? If so, let me know. If you don't like that facts, calling me names won't change them. I did have fun socializing with friends and customers, dinners, and lunches with people I have known a long time, so it is not all about business. Anyway, Munich is knocking on the door, and Tucson will be around the corner. Just disappointed to be hit so hard by someone I thought was a nice guy. I guess I was mistaken. Michael Farmer From Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de Wed Sep 17 03:22:05 2008 From: Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de (Carsten Giessler) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:22:05 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] TEST - Delete Please Message-ID: <48D0B01D.6050406@t-online.de> From Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de Wed Sep 17 03:30:07 2008 From: Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de (Carsten Giessler) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:30:07 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone knows how to reach Nicholas Gessler? Message-ID: <48D0B1FF.305@t-online.de> Hello List, since a few weeks i try to reach Nicholas Gessler via email without success, i used this email adress: gessler at ucla.edu Until now he's not responding, does anyone know how to reach him at the moment? Many thanks for your help & best wishes, Carsten From jkg2 at cox.net Wed Sep 17 11:55:15 2008 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:55:15 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Problems receiving mail Message-ID: <20080917155514.VCVH6482.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Have any other List members had problems receiving mail over the past two or three months? Sometimes I go a week or two without any mail from the List. I know the traffic is there because I can see activity in the archives. Anyone know what the problem is? John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From meteoriteshow at free.fr Wed Sep 17 12:20:30 2008 From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:20:30 -0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Auctions ending on saturday Message-ID: <000901c918e1$5cfd9280$140af90a@T42> Dear All, This week i know that the news are not good in economics, but all my auctions that started last saturday are still at their starting price of $1. Some nice goodies are there, waiting for you at: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow You'll see a some rare material, including CV3, diogenite, howardite, L-IMB... So have a look and catch your chance! Thanks and kind regards, Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 From chinaren76 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 12:44:55 2008 From: chinaren76 at yahoo.com (Ma Lan) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Problems receiving mail Message-ID: <487777.25285.qm@web52711.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi John, No. I have not had this problem. On the contrary, every time when i open my email box, lots of new mails from the list members or off-list are received. Now 16779 emails are still left to be unread since i subscribed to the amazing list. Maybe, there is something wrong with your mail box. I guess. Best wishes, Ma Lan --- On Wed, 9/17/08, John Gwilliam wrote: > From: John Gwilliam > Subject: [meteorite-list] Problems receiving mail > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 11:55 PM > Have any other List members had problems receiving mail over > the past > two or three months? Sometimes I go a week or two without > any mail > from the List. I know the traffic is there because I can > see > activity in the archives. Anyone know what the problem is? > > > > John Gwilliam > > Too many people were born on third base > and go through life thinking they hit a triple. > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 17 13:15:19 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Surface Water May Have Existed Far Longer On Some Parts of Mars Message-ID: <200809171715.KAA25886@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> September 16, 2008 Ed Stiles Public Information Office Planetary Science Institute 520-248-7119 psinews at psi.edu SURFACE WATER MAY HAVE EXISTED FAR LONGER ON SOME PARTS OF MARS Water may have played a role in shaping parts of the Martian landscape a billion years longer than previous studies have shown, according to a research team led by Catherine Weitz, a senior scientist with the Planetary Science Institute. Their research, to be published in "Geophysical Research Letters" and now available online, presents strong evidence that sustained and large-scale processes associated with precipitation and flowing water likely occurred on the plains surrounding Valles Marineris during the Hesperian Epoch, 3 to 3.7 billion years ago. Valles Marineris is a huge canyon system that runs nearly a quarter of the way around the planet at its equator. According to many studies, runoff from precipitation ceased by the end of the Noachian Epoch, which spanned the first billion years of Martian history. But after studying HiRISE images of light-toned layered deposits on the plains surrounding Valles Marineris, Weitz and her co-authors concluded that equatorial regions may have remained wet for a much longer period. Scientists have studied the light-toned layered deposits inside Valles Marineris since the Mariner flybys in the early 1970s, but the HiRISE camera flying aboard the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has now given them an unparalleled, close-up view of the planet's features. HiRISE can resolve objects as small as three feet in diameter. Weitz was one of the first researchers to question whether the light-toned layered deposits on the plains surrounding Valles Marineris were different from those inside Valles Marineris. Two years ago, she began aiming the HiRISE camera to photograph these layered deposits. "What we found was that these light-toned layered deposits on the plains are very different from those within Valles Marineris," Weitz said. "There are a lot of variations in brightness, color, and erosional properties that we don't see for light-toned deposits inside Valles Marineris. This suggests that the processes that created the deposits outside Valles Marineris were different from those operating inside." Weitz found light-toned layered deposits associated with valley systems and inverted channels in two locations near Valles Marineris. Inverted channels form on Earth when sediment is deposited in streambeds over time. When the streams dry up, the surrounding, softer terrain erodes away, leaving the harder, cemented sediments in the former streambeds standing above the surrounding terrain. Weitz and her colleagues also have found valley systems that probably were created by running water in two other areas of light-toned layered deposits adjacent to Valles Marineris. All of these phenomena point toward what geologists call fluvial processes ? those associated with running water. In addition, the CRISM spectrometer. which is also on the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, identified minerals in the light-toned layered deposits that often form in the presence of liquid water on Earth. However, other explanations for the layered deposits and mineralogy cannot be ruled out, Weitz said. These could involve explosive volcanism, wind deposition, and other geological processes. "But the fact that these deposits are so distinct from other light-toned layered deposits in their characteristics and in their association with valleys and inverted channels suggests a fluvial origin," she said. "This was a big surprise because no one thought we'd be seeing these extensive fluvial systems in the plains all around Valles Marineris that were formed during the Hesperian Era," Weitz said. "Everyone thought that by then the climate had pretty much dried out." "What we're seeing tells us that this light-toned layering on the plains was associated with fluvial activity that wasn't occurring just in little pockets over very brief episodes, but rather on a much larger scale for sustained time periods," she added. "For some reason, there was precipitation around Valles Marineris that allowed these systems to form out on the plains." Others involved in the research include Ralph Milliken, of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory; John Grant, of the Smithsonian Institution's Air and Space Museum; Alfred McEwen, of the Lunar and Planetary Lab at The University of Arizona; Rebecca Williams, of the Planetary Science Institute; and Janice Bishop, of the SETI Institute. The article can be accessed at http://www.agu.org/journals/pip/gl/2008GL035317-pip.pdf CONTACT: Cathy Weitz 1-520-622-6300 weitz at psi.edu PSI Information: Mark V. Sykes, Director 1-520-622-6300 sykes at psi.edu PSI Homepage http://www.psi.edu From michael at spacerocksinc.com Wed Sep 17 14:20:19 2008 From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 17, 2008 Message-ID: <24406860.743391221675619306.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_17_2008.html From gary at webbers.com Wed Sep 17 15:04:40 2008 From: gary at webbers.com (Gary K. Foote) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:04:40 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] OT - Another **** Surgery. Message-ID: <48D11C88.15785.1843151@gary.webbers.com> Hi All, Sorry to take up bandwidth on non-meteoric subjects, but I feel that so much has been done for me by this community that I need to keep you all posted. On July 10th I had bilateral iguinal hernia repairs. I've had pain in the left repair ever since. Last night it got a lot worse so today I went to my doctor and he said I need to have the left side repair done again as the first one has failed. ANOTHER surgery. D***! Other than that we are both doing fine and want to once again express our thanks for the fundraiser which has been the best thing to happen to us. We are fine financially thanks to all of you who participated. Best of all I am cancer free. Just wanted to keep you up to date; Gary Foote From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 17 15:20:32 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] More Soil Delivered to Phoenix Lab Message-ID: <200809171920.MAA02142@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/images.php?fileID=16083 More Soil Delivered to Phoenix Lab Jet Propulsion Laboratory September 16, 2008 This image, taken by NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander's Surface Stereo Imager, documents the delivery of a soil sample from the "Snow White" trench to the Wet Chemistry Laboratory. A small pile of soil is visible on the lower edge of the second cell from the top.This deck-mounted lab is part of Phoenix's Microscopy, Electrochemistry and Conductivity Analyzer (MECA). The delivery was made on Sept. 12, 2008, which was Sol 107 (the 107th Martian day) of the mission, which landed on May 25, 2008. The Wet Chemistry Laboratory mixes Martian soil with an aqueous solution from Earth as part of a process to identify soluble nutrients and other chemicals in the soil. Preliminary analysis of this soil confirms that it is alkaline, and composed of salts and other chemicals such as perchlorate, sodium, magnesium, chloride and potassium. This data validates prior results from that same location, said JPL's Michael Hecht, the lead scientist for MECA. In the coming days, the Phoenix team will also fill the final four of eight single-use ovens on another soil-analysis instrument, the Thermal and Evolved Gas Analyzer, or TEGA. The team's strategy is to deliver as many samples as possible before the power produced by Phoenix's solar panels declines due to the end of the Martian summer. The Phoenix Mission is led by the University of Arizona, Tucson, on behalf of NASA. Project management of the mission is by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Spacecraft development is by Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver. Image NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona/Texas A&M University From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 16:46:33 2008 From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:46:33 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 17, 2008 In-Reply-To: <24406860.743391221675619306.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com> References: <24406860.743391221675619306.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com> Message-ID: <6f9da8300809171346x733d805et7fcfc785f3f215a4@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dirk, Michael, & All Hey is that one of the casts or is it the real one? If it was taken in the Yorkshire Museum and Gardens then it is the real thing. Here is an image from the museum; http://www.yorkshiremuseum.org.uk/Page/ViewCollection.aspx?CollectionId=12 Make sure you click on all 4 images. Just a suggestion.....it would be nice to see the vitals with the listing. L6 from Yorkshire, England fell March 14, 1881, 15:35 h I'm sure Michael will post whatever the person submitting the picture would want to include. -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 USA 720-949-6220 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com 2008/9/17 Michael Johnson : > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_17_2008.html > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From bobadebt at ec.rr.com Wed Sep 17 16:53:10 2008 From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:53:10 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 17, Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_17_2008.html WOW I don't normally find whole specimens appealing BUT that rock is awesome. From mikewren at gilanet.com Wed Sep 17 17:16:32 2008 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:16:32 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: AUCTIONS ENDING TODAY! HIGHLIGHTS ADDED, Thousands of Dollars Worth Of Meteorites Up For Auction! Store Sale Too! Message-ID: <200809171518166.SM01752@yourfsyly0jtwn> ________________________________________ From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:02 PM To: 'michael cottingham' Subject: FW: AUCTIONS ENDING TODAY! HIGHLIGHTS ADDED, Thousands of Dollars Worth Of Meteorites Up For Auction! Store Sale Too! Hello, I have a great group of meteorites up for auction this week! Probably $7,000.00+? in value, and all started out at 0.99 cents. Also, I have a nice sale running in my ebay store and new items have been added. Remember, I am always open to good offers on pieces that do not have a Best Offer Button . Thanks. Go Here: http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store? or CHECK THESE RARITIES OUT: Super Rare ESNANDES, France, H6 Fall, LTKW, One of the Hardest to find for sale! Worth $500.00+ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253486925 Very Rare OHABA, Romanian Fall From 1857! Only Piece I have and worth more than you can imagine! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253489474 Impossible Rarity! FRANKFORT, Al., Howardite!, Extremely Low Known Weight and worth over $1000.00+ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253609093 Very Beautiful FUKANG, Pallasite 15.23 gram, Super Thin and lovely! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253597441 Very Rare HEX RIVER, IIAB Iron, South Africa, Only piece I have for sale! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253484005 Rare Washington IVA Iron ALBION, 0.18 gram !, Last Specimen I have!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253480726 One of THE RAREST- HONOLULU, Hawaii, 0.069g, Getting down to the last specimens! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253477803 Rare Fall BATH FURNACE, Kentucky, L6, 6.73g, Worth over $300.00+ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253474415 (NEW), Nice L/LL5, NWA 5051, 1258g, MAIN MASS! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253596498 Low Known Weight LAMESA (b),Texas,H4, 9.96g, Only specimen I have! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253490202 NWA 2621, L4, Really Nice, 29.98 gram Complete Slice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253471535 Beautiful GIBEON, IVA Iron Specimen, 49.84g, Fantastic Etching! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253473709 Lunar Impact Melt DHOFAR 911, 0.546 gram, Only Specimen I have! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253472814 A Very Rare and New PALLASITE, NWA 4482, 57.14g (Lot) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253487941 Beautiful Gao, Impact Melt Specimen, 9.04 gr., Last One I have! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253488985 Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 132.50g, Nice Complete Slice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253479463 Spectacular Diogenite, NWA 4755, 11.10 gram, Large Slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253483521 A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 352g, Big Pieces Getting More Difficult to Acquire. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253481950 NWA 2932, Beautiful Mesosiderite, 8.53 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253481167 Super Rare CASTALIA, North Carolina Fall .08g, Last One, I believe! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253477229 NEW, NWA 2393, L4, Complete Slice, 27.87g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253484630 Seldom Available TWODOT, Montana, H6, 4.13g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253482958 Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 1.76g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253476686 Super Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 1.50g, A Great Part Slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253478549 Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 5.32g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200253467349 More specimens too! Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From psc2410xi at yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 19:23:44 2008 From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 17, 2008 In-Reply-To: <24406860.743391221675619306.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com> Message-ID: <682366.24231.qm@web59310.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Now there is a meteorite worthy of picture of the day, week, month, or year. thanks for sharing Don Rawlings --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Michael Johnson wrote: > From: Michael Johnson > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 17, 2008 > To: "Meteorite List" > Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 2:20 PM > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_17_2008.html > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Thu Sep 18 05:31:23 2008 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:31:23 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 18, 2008 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_18_2008.html **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From mark at meteorites.cc Thu Sep 18 07:02:34 2008 From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:02:34 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 18, 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080918070234.pw65b51jb4084so0@annasach.net> From which NHM? Mark Quoting SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com: > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_18_2008.html > > From nwa482 at comcast.net Thu Sep 18 07:51:07 2008 From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:51:07 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending Message-ID: <8FB53E4F007C42B194D0BA2C8DB336E9@DJQVK441> Good Morning Meteorite Lovers........ I have auctions ending tonight catchafallingstar.com. All started at 99 Cents!!!: There are some nice planetaries as well as our Meteorite Medals still at low prices, http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=catchafallingstar.com Full recap with photos on Paul and Jim's website: http://www.meteorite.com/meteorites/ebay/catch_a_falling_star_meteorites.htm Thanks for looking ................ Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com From freequarks at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 08:38:37 2008 From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:38:37 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 18, 2008 In-Reply-To: <20080918070234.pw65b51jb4084so0@annasach.net> References: <20080918070234.pw65b51jb4084so0@annasach.net> Message-ID: <822da19a0809180538j482c2194k7e9b5b14bf6a5ba1@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mark, That would be the Smithsonian Natural History Museum in Washington DC. The display of iron meteorites at that NHM has a unique 3-D graph showing the relationship between the various classes of iron meteorites such as the IV A in the discussed picture. The silvery-white dot on the pedestal shows the position of this meteorite in the overall classification scheme. Here is a pic showing the Gibeon insitu. The etched end section is in on the far right center. http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2004/March/disp_irons_etched.jpg If I can find a pic of the graph, I'll post it. Cheers, Martin On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Mark Crawford wrote: > From which NHM? > > Mark > > Quoting SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com: > >> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_18_2008.html >> >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From almitt at kconline.com Thu Sep 18 10:15:04 2008 From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitterling) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:15:04 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Message-ID: Greetings List, I have an auction closing in less than two days on ebay for a large slice of Lost City, Oklahoma. This is my last large slice. You can view my auction at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet This has lots of crust on it and is a very nice specimen of this material. All my best! --AL Mitterling From almitt at kconline.com Thu Sep 18 10:15:40 2008 From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitterling) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:15:40 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Lost City Large Slice!! Message-ID: <833A851A61AB441E9BD1B0654D91FD2D@StarmanPC> Greetings List, I have an auction closing in less than two days on ebay for a large slice of Lost City, Oklahoma. This is my last large slice. You can view my auction at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet This has lots of crust on it and is a very nice specimen of this material. All my best! --AL Mitterling From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 10:29:58 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] 1 little givaway Message-ID: <277285.60163.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Good morning list.I have 1 little givaway to let go of.It is a 13.2 gram unclassified endcut.If anyone wants it.Let me know fast.It has dark brown silky fusion crust.It attracts to a magnet ever so slight.Proabable an L6 or L5.It measures 3,5 cm x 2.5 cm x 1.1 cm.It has very little metal flecks thus maybe an L.I would like give it to someone who has never had the chance to get one of my givaways.I will know who it is by thier email,so chime in.,NOW. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From cynapse at charter.net Thu Sep 18 10:36:07 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:36:07 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] There's no place like Haumea In-Reply-To: <277285.60163.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <277285.60163.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haumea_(dwarf_planet) On September 17, 2008, the International Astronomical Union classified (136108) 2003 EL61 as a dwarf planet and announced[5] that Brown et al's proposal to name the body "Haumea", after the Hawaiian goddess of childbirth and fertility, had been accepted as official, with the moons named "Hi?iaka" and "Namaka", after two of her daughters. The name was chosen in part to reflect the objects manner of formation; according to myth, the children of Haumea sprang from different parts of her body. Similarly, moons of the dwarf planet Haumea are believed to have been broken off from its body by an ancient collision. The goddess Haumea was also a personification of stone, and her namesake is believed to be mostly rock.[6] Ortiz et al. had reportedly proposed the name "Ataecina".[7] From meteoritefinder at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 13:17:14 2008 From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:17:14 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo with natural hole // Web site update/AD/ Message-ID: <468bf6050809181017ifbd13b4ke1d7a195bda4654e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everyone I have a couple new additions to my site http://www.meteoritefinder.com/index.htm The first is a large (over 6 pounds) Canyon Diablo with a pretty good size natural hole. The other is the latest addition to the Glorieta Meteorite Damascus knives. You can see all the latest additions here http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm Comments are always appreciated. Thanks -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 From m_graul at yahoo.de Thu Sep 18 14:07:28 2008 From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:07:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Cape York slice with a large troilite Message-ID: <646128.78186.qm@web26301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello List, in a few hours ends on ebay my beautiful Cape York slice with a large troilite. I will sell this slice tonight. Please make your best offer on ebay. The highest price wins the slice shortly before the end of the auction! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290260089857&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=019 Thank you Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com From rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar Thu Sep 18 14:41:38 2008 From: rockhoundm at abaconet.com.ar (Eduardo.) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:41:38 -0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: 917g superb oriented Sikhote + over 50 ebay auctions In-Reply-To: <646128.78186.qm@web26301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi I have over 50 auctions ending tomorrow. A "must see" is one of the best oriented sikhote I ever had, a 917g amazing specimen with flow lines and excelent shape. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280266408571 Other beauty is a full slice of the EH3 Sahara 97072 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280266416151 You surely would like to take a look at the very large assortment of meteorites, all started at $0.99 including Millillie, Portales Valley, Molong (PAL), Tatahouine (25.5g), Gao, Henbury, Zagami, Norton County, Gibeon, rare old Saharas (L/LL3.6,Mes,IMB,etc), Allende, Vaca Muerta, and more. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/smfmeteorites thanks for read this mail up to the end. Eduardo From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 18 15:47:42 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Jules Verne to Reenter Earth's Atmosphere on Sep 29 Message-ID: <200809181947.MAA05561@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Space Weather News for Sept. 18, 2008 http://spaceweather.com DOOMED SPACECRAFT: Jules Verne is about to become a fireball. On Sept. 29th, with NASA aircraft looking on, the 22-ton European spacecraft will plunge into Earth's atmosphere over the south Pacific Ocean and harmlessly disintegrate. Jules Verne recently spent five months docked to the space station where it delivered supplies, used its engines help the station avoid a piece of space junk, and served as an impromptu bedroom for the ISS crew. Mission accomplished, the doomed spacecraft is now making its final orbits around Earth glowing about as brightly as Polaris (the North Star). US and European observers are favored with flybys this weekend. If you'd like to see Jules Verne, check the Simple Satellite Tracker for viewing times: http://spaceweather.com/flybys/ From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 18 16:07:18 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Eight-Legged Space Survivor Gives 'Panspermia' New Life Message-ID: <200809182007.NAA07936@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080916-st-space-life.html Eight-Legged Space Survivor Gives 'Panspermia' New Life By Robert Roy Britt space.com 16 September 2008 The revelation last week that tiny eight-legged animals survived exposure to the harsh environment of space on an Earth-orbiting mission is further support for the idea that simple life forms could travel between planets. This idea, called panspermia, is not new. It holds that the seeds of life are everywhere, and that microbial life on Earth could have traveled here from Mars or even from another star system, and then evolved into the plethora of species seen today. In essence, we may all be Martians. In various forms, the panspermia concept was discussed among scientists in the 1700s, again in the 1800s, and then notably when Sir Fed Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe popularized it about 30 years ago. Mainstream scientists often dismissed the hypothesis, however, even into the 1990s. But new life has been breathed into the idea in the past decade. One big question that dogged panspermia for decades has been settled, most scientists agree: Could life endure a trip from one world to another? One key breakthrough was a 2000 study that concluded a rock from Mars, found on Earth, remained cool enough during its violent ejection from the red planet and its fiery trip through our atmosphere 16 million years later to sustain life ??" were there any aboard. And the incredible survival tale of the tiny tardigrades, also called water bears, is a dramatic reminder that life can survive space travel. The dot-sized invertebrate creatures endured 10 days of exposure, and upon return to Earth, scientists found that even some of those exposed to solar radiation had made it through. Though it had already been shown that single-celled organisms could survive space, tardigrades are eight-legged animals on a different branch of the tree of life than microbes. "It is an exciting result that seems to support the idea that life forms could be exchanged between planets such as Earth and Mars," said David Morrison, an astrobiologist at NASA's Ames Research Center. "Now we know that species from three very different organism groups ??" bacteria, lichens and invertebrate animals ??" are able to survive at least short periods under space vacuum and also under some restricted conditions of solar radiation," said K. Ingemar Jonsson, who led the tardigrade study out of Kristianstad University in Sweden. "And if protected from sunlight, all these groups could probably survive for several months, perhaps years, in space." So to travel through space, it looks like a bug or small animal needs a rock for protection. Equally important, the creature needs a hospitable environment upon arrival. Mars to Earth Some scientists think life might have originated on Mars and then been transported to Earth in a meteorite kicked up by an asteroid impact. "Mars had a stable crust 4.5 billion years ago, at a time when Earth was still in the throes of recovery from the moon-forming impact, " said Jay Melosh of the Lunar and Planetary Lab at the University of Arizona. "So conditions on Mars were conducive to the origin of life long before those on Earth." Melosh explains what might have happened next: "Once life began on Mars, the Late Heavy Bombardment [lots of big rocks crashed into Earth and Mars about 4 billion years ago] would have provided abundant means of transport for the Mars-Earth diaspora. Given Mars' current very hostile surface environment, I would not be surprised if it petered out later (maybe some life still persists in the subsurface, living off the chemical and energetic gleanings from Mars' still-active volcanism). Melosh calls the scenario "an excellent bet." But could the reverse be true? Might life have originated on Earth and been transported to Mars? "Mars today is so hostile and lacking in food or liquid water on its surface that it is very unlikely that any such naturally transported living organisms could survive," Melosh said. Researchers figure we've sent plenty of microbes to the moon and Mars, on spacecraft. But most don't think they stand much chance of surviving. Only below the surface of Mars, where an Earth organism would find protection from radiation and where there might be liquid water, is colonization a potentially serious risk, they say. "As long as we operate on the surface of Mars, there is very little risk, since surface conditions there are so harsh," Morrison said. "Remember the issue is not simply survival, but ability to grow and reproduce." Microbes that manage to stick to a spacecraft throughout a six-month voyage to Mars are very unlikely to get off the spacecraft once there, according to research done by Andrew Schuerger of the University of Florida. And if they do jump to the ground, Schuerger said, there are 13 different "biocidal factors" that spell almost certain death to the invading species. From DNA damage to sterilization, any surviving microbes would be unlikely to successfully reproduce. Schuerger has tried multiple experiments to breed life among hardy creatures under Mars-like conditions. One major difference between Earth and Mars is the red planet's extremely thin atmosphere, about 1 percent as thick as ours. "I have not been able to get any microorganisms to grow under the conditions of Mars' surface pressure," he said in a telephone interview. "I am skeptical that a microorganism can be displaced from a spacecraft, get into the surface of Mars, and grow." Star-to-star? Interstellar panspermia remains a highly unlikely proposition in the minds of most scientists. Multiple studies have shown that the raw material of life are common around other stars, and in fact the very seeds of life known as amino acids could also be everywhere. Life, therefore, might be common around other stars, scientists say. But getting from one star to another is another matter altogether. It would take four years just to get from our solar system to the next nearest star ... and that's if a rock was (impossibly) traveling at the speed of light. "Star-to-star hops are so unlikely and take so long to complete that I very much doubt that panspermia has occurred by this mechanism, at least by natural agencies," Melosh said. Even the "we're all Martians" idea remains a stretch for many researchers, who invoke Occam's razor (the simplest solution is often the best one). "It's plausible that our early progenitors were transported here," Schuerger said, "but I think that's a complicated method. I think it's a lot easier to say life started on Earth and evolved on Earth." From gary at webbers.com Thu Sep 18 16:48:09 2008 From: gary at webbers.com (Gary K. Foote) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:48:09 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] OT - Matthias Barmann - eMail Me Please! Message-ID: <48D28649.16196.2282696@gary.webbers.com> I'm trying to reach Matthias Barmann, but the email address I have is bouncing. Matthias - email me please! Thanks, Gary Foote From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Thu Sep 18 18:11:20 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 18 Sep 2008 22:11:20 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Cape York slice and NWA 4799 (AUB) Message-ID: Sunday, September 14, I wrote: "... 61.4 g slice with a gorgeous troilite nodule smack in the center of that beautiful slice and I got it! It should be in my mailbox Tuesday or Wednesday and I can hardly wait to welcome it! Well, I got it on Tuesday and that gorgeous troilite inclusion almost knocked my socks off. It measures 23 x 16 mm and it is bulgy and slightly elongated. Moreover, it is surrounded by a delicate rim of swathing kamacite. I can't tell you how glad I am! It is such a unique highlight in my collection of celestial messengers. Today I also got my "only true NWA aubrite" - NWA 4799 from Greg Hup?. Wow! It shows traces of fusion crust and it features a large enstatite grain that measures 3.75 x 1.9 mm. There's another spectacular enstatite crystal, which is 2.75 mm long and 1.9 mm wide, elongated (lenticular like the GRS on Jupiter) and it is traversed by several dark veinlets. There are even a few metal grains and small patches of troilite! Bernd From raremeteorites at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 19:57:36 2008 From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD -World Class Items Placed on Ebay Message-ID: <142848.11068.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear List Members, I would like bring to your attention some material I had slated for the IM Chait auction. Fortunately for you, I was so busy getting ready to move that I missed the deadline for submissions meaning that I will make some of these world class specimens available on eBay. The items would, more than likely, fetch many more times the asking amount on eBay had they been placed in the IM Chait auction scheduled for the 21st. Everybody knows that material placed on eBay will not realize anywhere near its full potential value. Do not be afraid to put a reasonable offer on any of the below listed items, especially Nininger?s printing press. Shipping weight on this item is around 900 pounds alone. Normally this would not posse a problem but I am preparing to move and this puts me over budget on gross weight that can be loaded into moving van. If the other items fail to sell, I will list them in a future IM Chait auction along with dozens of other world class specimens. All auctions can be viewed at this link: http://search.eBay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites A World Class Holed Iron: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140267834159 And its compliment: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130255822400 Lunar Rosetta Stone: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130255822846 Gorgeous Complete Lunar Slice: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=30255823196 Huge Crusted Chunk of Martian Nakhlite: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130255823620 Largest Piece of NWA 3160 Lunar Meteorite in Existence (Secondary Main Mass): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140267837200 Complete Slice of Spectacular Melted Eucrite: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130255824883 Huge Complete Slice of Renfrow in Haag Catalog: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140267838627 Spectacular Sikhote Alins: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130255825888 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130255826326 Last , But Not Least, Nininger's Printing Press and Plates: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140267508979 And way too many other great items to list can be found at this link: http://search.eBay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, ------------------------------------ Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteorites at comcast.net From cynapse at charter.net Thu Sep 18 23:29:31 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:29:31 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Comet condrules In-Reply-To: <200809182007.NAA07936@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <200809182007.NAA07936@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <2276d4lj6edkj5j2nbmr4k6f8i0gdquj00@4ax.com> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080918170408.htm Comet Dust Reveals Unexpected Mixing Of Solar System ScienceDaily (Sep. 18, 2008) ? Chemical clues from a comet's halo are challenging common views about the history and evolution of the solar system and showing it may be more mixed-up than previously thought. A new analysis of dust from the comet Wild 2, collected in 2004 by NASA's Stardust mission, has revealed an oxygen isotope signature that suggests an unexpected mingling of rocky material between the center and edges of the solar system. Despite the comet's birth in the icy reaches of outer space beyond Pluto, tiny crystals collected from its halo appear to have been forged in the hotter interior, much closer to the sun. The result, reported in the Sept. 19 issue of the journal Science by researchers from Japan, NASA and the University of Wisconsin-Madison, counters the idea that the material that formed the solar system billions of years ago has remained trapped in orbits around the sun. Instead, the new study suggests that cosmic material from asteroid belts between Mars and Jupiter can migrate outward in the solar system and mix with the more primitive materials found at the fringes. "Observations from this sample are changing our previous thinking and expectations about how the solar system formed," says UW-Madison geologist Noriko Kita, an author of the paper. The Stardust mission captured Wild 2 dust in hopes of characterizing the raw materials from which our solar system coalesced. Since the comet formed more than 4 billion years ago from the same primitive source materials, its current orbit between Mars and Jupiter affords a rare opportunity to sample material from the farthest reaches of the solar system and dating back to the early days of the universe. These samples, which reached Earth in early 2006, are the first solid samples returned from space since Apollo. "They were originally hoping to find the raw material that pre-dated the solar system," explains Kita. "However, we found many crystalline objects that resemble flash-heated particles found in meteorites from asteroids." In the new study, scientists led by Tomoki Nakamura, a professor at Kyushu University in Japan, analyzed oxygen isotope compositions of three crystals from the comet's halo to better understand their origins. He and UW-Madison scientist Takayuki Ushikubo analyzed the tiny grains ? the largest of which is about one-thousandth of an inch across ? with a unique ion microprobe in the Wisconsin Secondary Ion Mass Spectrometer (Wisc-SIMS) laboratory, the most advanced instrument of its kind in the world. To their surprise, they found oxygen isotope ratios in the comet crystals that are similar to asteroids and even the sun itself. Since these samples more closely resemble meteorites than the primitive, low-temperature materials expected in the outer reaches of the solar system, their analysis suggests that heat-processed particles may have been transported outward in the young solar system. "This really complicates our simple view of the early solar system," says Michael Zolensky, a NASA cosmic mineralogist at the Johnson Space Center in Houston. "Even though the comet itself came from way out past Pluto, there's a much more complicated history of migration patterns within the solar system and the material originally may have formed much closer to Earth," says UW-Madison geology professor John Valley. "These findings are causing a revision of theories of the history of the solar system." The research was supported by the Japan Society for the Promotion of Science and the NASA Stardust Sample Analysis and Cosmochemistry Programs. The Wisc-SIMS facility is partly supported by the National Science Foundation. From scyphocrinites at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 23:49:44 2008 From: scyphocrinites at yahoo.com (Malek Youssef) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Help identifying please Message-ID: <880232.82483.qm@web53302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi list I have an ordinary Chondrite that i need identifying , here you can see photos of a cut sample , thankx : http://www.geocities.com/fourmanmine37/occ.htm M.Youssef From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 02:10:08 2008 From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Comet condrules In-Reply-To: <2276d4lj6edkj5j2nbmr4k6f8i0gdquj00@4ax.com> Message-ID: <592570.15239.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Duh! when the sun first ignited the shock waves probably ejected some of the comets from near the sun to the outer reaches of the system. as well as stripping the inner planets of their lighter elements. Einstiens equation for the measure of doppler shift of the sun is dependant on the mass of the entire system. if you work the equation using measured doppner shift. and subtract the mass of the sun and known planets you get a value of 20% remaining mass as dark matter.There is a lot of material out there yet to be discovered. Have a great day! Steve --- On Thu, 9/18/08, Darren Garrison wrote: > From: Darren Garrison > Subject: [meteorite-list] Comet condrules > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 10:29 PM > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080918170408.htm > > Comet Dust Reveals Unexpected Mixing Of Solar System > > ScienceDaily (Sep. 18, 2008) ? Chemical clues from a > comet's halo are > challenging common views about the history and evolution of > the solar system and > showing it may be more mixed-up than previously thought. > > A new analysis of dust from the comet Wild 2, collected in > 2004 by NASA's > Stardust mission, has revealed an oxygen isotope signature > that suggests an > unexpected mingling of rocky material between the center > and edges of the solar > system. Despite the comet's birth in the icy reaches of > outer space beyond > Pluto, tiny crystals collected from its halo appear to have > been forged in the > hotter interior, much closer to the sun. > > The result, reported in the Sept. 19 issue of the journal > Science by researchers > from Japan, NASA and the University of Wisconsin-Madison, > counters the idea that > the material that formed the solar system billions of years > ago has remained > trapped in orbits around the sun. Instead, the new study > suggests that cosmic > material from asteroid belts between Mars and Jupiter can > migrate outward in the > solar system and mix with the more primitive materials > found at the fringes. > > "Observations from this sample are changing our > previous thinking and > expectations about how the solar system formed," says > UW-Madison geologist > Noriko Kita, an author of the paper. > > The Stardust mission captured Wild 2 dust in hopes of > characterizing the raw > materials from which our solar system coalesced. Since the > comet formed more > than 4 billion years ago from the same primitive source > materials, its current > orbit between Mars and Jupiter affords a rare opportunity > to sample material > from the farthest reaches of the solar system and dating > back to the early days > of the universe. These samples, which reached Earth in > early 2006, are the first > solid samples returned from space since Apollo. > > "They were originally hoping to find the raw material > that pre-dated the solar > system," explains Kita. "However, we found many > crystalline objects that > resemble flash-heated particles found in meteorites from > asteroids." > > In the new study, scientists led by Tomoki Nakamura, a > professor at Kyushu > University in Japan, analyzed oxygen isotope compositions > of three crystals from > the comet's halo to better understand their origins. He > and UW-Madison scientist > Takayuki Ushikubo analyzed the tiny grains ? the largest > of which is about > one-thousandth of an inch across ? with a unique ion > microprobe in the Wisconsin > Secondary Ion Mass Spectrometer (Wisc-SIMS) laboratory, the > most advanced > instrument of its kind in the world. > > To their surprise, they found oxygen isotope ratios in the > comet crystals that > are similar to asteroids and even the sun itself. Since > these samples more > closely resemble meteorites than the primitive, > low-temperature materials > expected in the outer reaches of the solar system, their > analysis suggests that > heat-processed particles may have been transported outward > in the young solar > system. > > "This really complicates our simple view of the early > solar system," says > Michael Zolensky, a NASA cosmic mineralogist at the Johnson > Space Center in > Houston. > > "Even though the comet itself came from way out past > Pluto, there's a much more > complicated history of migration patterns within the solar > system and the > material originally may have formed much closer to > Earth," says UW-Madison > geology professor John Valley. "These findings are > causing a revision of > theories of the history of the solar system." > > The research was supported by the Japan Society for the > Promotion of Science and > the NASA Stardust Sample Analysis and Cosmochemistry > Programs. The Wisc-SIMS > facility is partly supported by the National Science > Foundation. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk Fri Sep 19 07:58:25 2008 From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:58:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: [meteorite-list] help identifying please Message-ID: <4519189.121001221825505881.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> looks quite similar to NWA 869 to my eye.L4-6 I believe http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZemeraldisleminerals From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu Fri Sep 19 08:22:12 2008 From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:22:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [meteorite-list] Comet condrules In-Reply-To: <592570.15239.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2276d4lj6edkj5j2nbmr4k6f8i0gdquj00@4ax.com> <592570.15239.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56621.71.226.60.25.1221826932.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu> Hi all: In the most accepted models, the objects in the Oort Cloud did orginate much closer to the Sun (between Jupiter and Saturn?). However, as Jupiter migrated in and Saturn out things got thrown all over the place amd a lot of stuff ended up in the Oort Cloud. Larry On Thu, September 18, 2008 11:10 pm, Steve Dunklee wrote: > Duh! when the sun first ignited the shock waves probably ejected some of > the comets from near the sun to the outer reaches of the system. as well > as stripping the inner planets of their lighter elements. Einstiens > equation for the measure of doppler shift of the sun is dependant on the > mass of the entire system. if you work the equation using measured > doppner shift. and subtract the mass of the sun and known planets you get > a value of 20% remaining mass as dark matter.There is a lot of material > out there yet to be discovered. Have a great day! > > > Steve > > > > --- On Thu, 9/18/08, Darren Garrison wrote: > > >> From: Darren Garrison >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Comet condrules >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 10:29 PM >> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080918170408.htm >> >> >> Comet Dust Reveals Unexpected Mixing Of Solar System >> >> >> ScienceDaily (Sep. 18, 2008) ??? Chemical clues from a >> comet's halo are challenging common views about the history and evolution >> of the solar system and showing it may be more mixed-up than previously >> thought. >> >> A new analysis of dust from the comet Wild 2, collected in >> 2004 by NASA's >> Stardust mission, has revealed an oxygen isotope signature >> that suggests an unexpected mingling of rocky material between the center >> and edges of the solar system. Despite the comet's birth in the icy >> reaches of outer space beyond Pluto, tiny crystals collected from its >> halo appear to have been forged in the hotter interior, much closer to >> the sun. >> >> The result, reported in the Sept. 19 issue of the journal >> Science by researchers >> from Japan, NASA and the University of Wisconsin-Madison, counters the >> idea that the material that formed the solar system billions of years ago >> has remained trapped in orbits around the sun. Instead, the new study >> suggests that cosmic material from asteroid belts between Mars and >> Jupiter can >> migrate outward in the solar system and mix with the more primitive >> materials found at the fringes. >> >> "Observations from this sample are changing our >> previous thinking and expectations about how the solar system formed," >> says UW-Madison geologist >> Noriko Kita, an author of the paper. >> >> >> The Stardust mission captured Wild 2 dust in hopes of >> characterizing the raw materials from which our solar system coalesced. >> Since the >> comet formed more than 4 billion years ago from the same primitive source >> materials, its current orbit between Mars and Jupiter affords a rare >> opportunity to sample material from the farthest reaches of the solar >> system and dating back to the early days of the universe. These samples, >> which reached Earth in early 2006, are the first solid samples returned >> from space since Apollo. >> >> "They were originally hoping to find the raw material >> that pre-dated the solar system," explains Kita. "However, we found many >> crystalline objects that resemble flash-heated particles found in >> meteorites from asteroids." >> >> In the new study, scientists led by Tomoki Nakamura, a >> professor at Kyushu University in Japan, analyzed oxygen isotope >> compositions of three crystals from the comet's halo to better understand >> their origins. He and UW-Madison scientist Takayuki Ushikubo analyzed the >> tiny grains ??? the largest of which is about one-thousandth of an inch >> across ??? with a unique ion microprobe in the Wisconsin Secondary Ion >> Mass Spectrometer (Wisc-SIMS) laboratory, the >> most advanced instrument of its kind in the world. >> >> To their surprise, they found oxygen isotope ratios in the >> comet crystals that are similar to asteroids and even the sun itself. >> Since >> these samples more closely resemble meteorites than the primitive, >> low-temperature materials expected in the outer reaches of the solar >> system, their analysis suggests that heat-processed particles may have >> been transported outward in the young solar system. >> >> "This really complicates our simple view of the early >> solar system," says Michael Zolensky, a NASA cosmic mineralogist at the >> Johnson >> Space Center in >> Houston. >> >> >> "Even though the comet itself came from way out past >> Pluto, there's a much more >> complicated history of migration patterns within the solar system and the >> material originally may have formed much closer to Earth," says >> UW-Madison >> geology professor John Valley. "These findings are causing a revision of >> theories of the history of the solar system." >> >> The research was supported by the Japan Society for the >> Promotion of Science and >> the NASA Stardust Sample Analysis and Cosmochemistry Programs. The >> Wisc-SIMS >> facility is partly supported by the National Science Foundation. >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From darryl at dof3.com Fri Sep 19 13:45:01 2008 From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:45:01 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] CHASSIGNITE - No Reserve / IM CHAIT AUCTION THIS SUNDAY In-Reply-To: <142848.11068.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <142848.11068.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: With gratitude to Adam Hupe's for his plug of the IM CHAIT auction taking place this Sunday. Meteorites commence with lot 216 LOT 229 / CHASSIGNITE - NWA 2737 / small complete slice...and cheap!! LOT 226 / CK-ANOM - Ningqiang / fragment with crust of the most exotic Chinese meteorite LOT 217 / LUNAR - NWA 482 / with crust and a low reserve. LOT 218 / LUNAR - SHIS,R 160 / the recently named lunar found by Mike Farmer and Robert Ward earlier this year. Complete Slice--and nearly all the material is gone. http://www.chait.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=6&ps=50 Also featuring Fukang, Campo, Gibeon, Imilac, Glorieta (pallasite) and more. Enjoy!! From darryl at dof3.com Fri Sep 19 16:51:53 2008 From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:51:53 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] BAD LINK? / CHASSIGNITE - No Reserve / IM CHAIT AUCTION THIS SUNDAY References: Message-ID: <1C07DCFE-4D9B-4946-9593-BEBA5BFA388D@dof3.com> Hi there! I've received a couple of emails which have indicated that the link provided below is not working. I regret the inconvenience. Should you be experiencing difficulty, please go to: http://www.chait.com ---Then click on the Natural History catalog ---Then click the link for LOTS 200-250 at the top of the page All best, Darryl =========================== Begin forwarded message: > From: Darryl Pitt > Date: September 19, 2008 1:45:01 PM EDT > To: meteorite-list List > Subject: CHASSIGNITE - No Reserve / IM CHAIT AUCTION THIS SUNDAY > > > > With gratitude to Adam Hupe's for his plug of the IM CHAIT auction > taking place this Sunday. > > Meteorites commence with lot 216 > > > LOT 229 / CHASSIGNITE - NWA 2737 / small complete slice...and cheap!! > LOT 226 / CK-ANOM - Ningqiang / fragment with crust of the most > exotic Chinese meteorite > LOT 217 / LUNAR - NWA 482 / with crust and a low reserve. > LOT 218 / LUNAR - SHIS,R 160 / the recently named lunar found by > Mike Farmer and Robert Ward earlier this year. Complete Slice--and > nearly all the material is gone. > > > http://www.chait.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=6&ps=50 > > Also featuring Fukang, Campo, Gibeon, Imilac, Glorieta (pallasite) > and more. > > > Enjoy!! > > > From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Fri Sep 19 17:02:24 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 19 Sep 2008 21:02:24 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] IM CHAIT AUCTION THIS SUNDAY Message-ID: > Then click the link for LOTS 200-250 at the top of the page .. then click the link for lots 201-250 Sorry! I couldn't resist. A teacher's blood still running in my veins :-)) But: I know that there are several list members who also love and collect crystals and minerals. Have a look at auction item # 16. Wow! Beautiful quartz crystals and embedded within a single cubic pyrite. Breathtakingly aesthetic!!! Bernd To: darryl at dof3.com meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com From meteoritekid at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 17:13:51 2008 From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:13:51 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ziz Meteorite Photographs - Link Message-ID: <93aaac890809191413v7016a449wd18b9460065c3b83@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, In light of the new iron being found, and it's supposed similarity to Ziz, I've taken the liberty of shooting some of the Ziz irons. All of the photos are available in large sizes, with the best resolution I could give. They're available at the following link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30622578 at N08/sets/72157607335937821/ I'm not sure if one has to become a member of the website to view the photos in full-resolution or not, but if it's offered, clicking on the "all sizes" tab located at the upper left of the picture should allow you a full-screen view of any photo I've posted. In any case, I'm of the opinion that Ziz is distinct from the new finds. I don't have a slice on-hand to compare, but from what I can remember, there wasn't a single silicate inclusion present in any of the slices from the 20+kg mass that was sectioned. Although one could say that, as with Campo, there are silicate-rich and silicate-poor areas within the iron, I would simply point out the fact that even the slices of Campo rare in silicates typically show an inclusion or two - and none of the individuals pictured has a single silicate inclusion visible on its surface. So...well, have a look. Regards, Jason From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Fri Sep 19 17:23:13 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 19 Sep 2008 21:23:13 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Ziz Meteorite Photographs - Link Message-ID: Hello "Operation Clean Sweep" and List, "In any case - enjoy" Thank you for sharing them, ...that's what I did! "I know they're not professional" That's definitely an understatement! Geoff, your comment(s), please! Some of these pictures are extraordinary! I especially like this overview: 14 + 23 + 21 + 4 +2 kg + 37 + 47 + 173g Ziz Best, Bernd To: meteoritekid at gmail.com meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Sep 19 18:03:22 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - September 4-11, 2008 Message-ID: <200809192203.PAA12051@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Light Duty for Now - sol 1663-1668, September 05-11, 2008: Spirit continues to conserve solar power while performing light science activities during the Martian winter. During the past week, Spirit studied the atmosphere and acquired two frames of the full-color image mosaic known as the "Bonestell panorama." Spirit is healthy and all subsystems are performing as expected as of the relay of information from NASA's Odyssey orbiter on sol 1666 (Sept. 9, 2008). Solar-array energy and tau -- a measure of atmospheric opacity caused by suspended dust -- are holding steady at 245 watt-hours (100 watt-hours is the amount of energy needed to light a 100-watt bulb for one hour) and 0.20, respectively. Sol-by-sol summary In addition to taking daily measurements of dust-related changes in atmospheric opacity (tau), Spirit completed the following activities: Sol 1663 (Sept. 6, 2008): Spirit recharged the batteries. Sol 1664: Spirit acquired column 18 of the Bonestell panorama, using all 13 color filters of the panoramic camera. Sol 1665: Spirit recharged the batteries. Sol 1666: Spirit recharged the batteries. Sol 1667: Spirit received new instructions from Earth via the rover's high-gain antenna and relayed data to the UHF antenna on NASA's Odyssey orbiter to be transmitted to Earth. Sol 1668 (Sept. 11, 2008): Spirit monitored dust accumulation on the panoramic-camera mast assembly and acquired column 19 of the Bonestell panorama. Odometry: As of sol 1666 (Sept. 9, 2008), Spirit's total odometry was 7,528.0 meters (4.7 miles). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Playing in the Sand - sol 1641-1647, September 04-11, 2008: During the past week, Opportunity performed several tests of the robotic arm to learn how to use it with a disabled shoulder joint. Having successfully completed those tests, Opportunity is moving on to investigate some bright patches of dust. Scientists hope to ascertain if the patches contain material not thoroughly analyzed in the past. On sol (Martian day) 1641 (Sept. 4, 2008), Opportunity homed in on an area of sand that appeared to contain a high concentration of dust. For the next several days, sols 1642-1647 (Sept. 5-11, 2008), the rover tested the robotic arm's ability to place scientific instruments on specific targets in the sand. These instruments included the Moessbauer spectrometer, microscopic imager, and alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer. Tests revealed that the robotic arm placed the instruments in position with very little error in spite of the disabled shoulder joint. Because the dust was not pure enough to yield the desired scientific results, engineers decided on sol 1648 (Sept. 12, 2008) to drive the rover north to a more promising area of apparent dust patches. On sol 1644 (Sept. 7, 2009), Opportunity relayed data at UHF frequencies to NASA's Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter (MRO). Typically, the rover sends data to NASA's Odyssey orbiter for transmission to Earth. Once a month, Opportunity is relaying data to the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter in preparation for using it more in the future. Opportunity is healthy, with all subsystems performing as expected as of the most recent transfer of information from NASA's Odyssey orbiter on sol 1647 (Sept. 11, 2008). Power rose to 652 watt-hours (enough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for a tad longer than 6.5 hours). Sol-by-sol summary: Each Martian day, or sol, Opportunity measured dust-related changes in atmospheric clarity with the panoramic camera. In addition, Opportunity completed the following activities: Sol 1641 (Sept. 4, 2008): Before driving, Opportunity acquired a 3-by-1 panel of panoramic-camera images looking north. The rover then nudged toward a bright patch and, after stopping, acquired images of the ground near its wheels and the area directly ahead with the hazard-avoidance and navigation cameras, respectively. The rover relayed data to Odyssey. Sol 1642: In the morning, Opportunity took thumbnail images and spot images of the sky for calibration purposes with the panoramic camera. Next, the rover tested movement and placement of the Moessbauer spectrometer, taking images near the ground with the hazard-avoidance cameras and images from above with the panoramic camera. Opportunity then used the Moessbauer spectrometer to acquire compositional data from a sand dune on the rim of "Victoria Crater." After relaying data to Odyssey, Opportunity went into a mini-deep sleep. Sol 1643: Opportunity acquired six, time-lapse movie frames in search of morning clouds with the navigation camera. Opportunity continued to acquire data from the sand dune at the rim of Victoria Crater with the Moessbauer spectrometer. Opportunity took full-color images, using all 13 color filters of the panoramic camera, of the rover's tracks. After sending data to Odyssey, Opportunity went into a mini-deep sleep. Sol 1644: Opportunity acquired six, time-lapse movie frames in search of clouds. The rover continued to collect data from the dune on the rim of Victoria Crater using the Moessbauer spectrometer. Before communicating with Odyssey, Opportunity relayed data to the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter for transmission to Earth. After sending data to Odyssey, the rover went into a mini-deep sleep. Sol 1645: In the morning, Opportunity acquired six, time-lapse movie frames in search of clouds with the navigation camera. Opportunity acquired a 1-by-3-by-15 stack of microscopic images of ripple soil. The rover restarted the Moessbauer spectrometer and began collecting data from the soil in the ripples. After transmitting data to Odysssey, Opportunity acquired a 3-by-1 panel of images of a target dubbed "Schuchert." Sol 1646: Opportunity monitored dust accumulation on the panoramic-camera mast assembly and restarted the Moessbauer spectrometer for collecting data on the ripple soil. The rover used the miniature thermal emission spectrometer to complete a mini-survey of the sky and ground. Before sending data to Odyssey, Opportunity used the spectrometer to characterize the external calibration target. Sol 1647 (Sept. 11, 2008): Opportunity acquired more time-lapse, movie frames to document potential clouds passing overhead. The rover took a 3-by-1 panel of images of Schuchert with the panoramic camera and a time-lapse movie in search of clouds. Opportunity placed the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer on the ripple soil and, after sending data to Odyssey, acquired compositional data. Plans for the following morning called for the rover to study a cobble field, acquiring a 4-by-1 panel of images with the panoramic camera. Odometry: As of sol 1647 (Sept. 11, 2008), Opportunity's total odometry was 11,782.10 meters (7.32 miles). From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Sep 19 18:05:53 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: September 15-19, 2008 Message-ID: <200809192205.PAA13017@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES September 15-19, 2008 o Lava Channel (Released 15 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080915a o Buvinda Vallis (Released 16 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080916a o Tempe Terra (Released 17 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080917a o Iani Chaos (Released 18 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080918a o Ascraeus Mons (Released 19 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080919a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. From bobadebt at ec.rr.com Fri Sep 19 18:13:39 2008 From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:13:39 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Looking to TRADE ZAG Message-ID: <0AE89A852ABA466F9EF675093A449669@David> I have about 700 grams of Zag slices available for sale at $3 per gram. These are some super nice slices and you can see them by clicking this: http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/FS%20Zag.htm I am also open to trades / partial trades with cash / etc for the following material - GHUBARA (L5) SIKHOTE - ALIN A SUITABLE H4 OF H4 A MESOSIDERITE My only stipulation is that the material be large enough to produce a 50mm sphere. To meet that requirement it has to measure at least 52mm in what would be the center of all 3 axis that the sphere rough would be cut from. My only motivation for selling material is to acquire new material for additional spheres to add to my collection. The material I sell is created from specimens I buy to process into a sphere. I'm sure I can sell this material over a protracted time period but it's possible that one of you may have something I'm looking for just collecting dust on a shelf somewhere so this could be beneficial to everyone involved. If you have something that you think I might be interested in contact me off list at bobadebt at ec.rr.com Thanks From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Sep 19 18:28:51 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientists Debate Planet Definition and Agree to Disagree Message-ID: <200809192228.PAA16541@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.psi.edu/press/archive/20080919planetdebate/ Scientists Debate Planet Definition and Agree to Disagree Planetary Science Institute Press Release September 19, 2008 - Two years ago the International Astronomical Union (IAU) elected to define the term planet, restricting it to the eight largest bodies orbiting the Sun, and deleting Pluto from the list. The demotion of Pluto sparked considerable public controversy. Numerous planetary scientists and astronomers protested the IAU's definition as not useful, while numerous other planetary scientists and astronomers supported the outcome. Recognizing the need for further scientific debate on planet definition, more than 100 scientists and educators representing a wide range of viewpoints on the issue converged for three days on the Applied Physics Laboratory of Johns Hopkins University (APL) for "The Great Planet Debate: Science as Process" conference last month. The conference was sponsored by NASA, APL, the Planetary Science Institute, The Planetary Society, and the American Astronautical Society. Different positions were advocated, ranging from reworking the IAU definition (but yielding the same outcome of eight planets), replacing it with a geophysical-based definition (that would increase the number of planets well beyond eight), and rescinding the definition for planet altogether and focusing on defining subcategories for serving different purposes. No consensus was reached. A sample of the opinions expressed by conference participants follows: "I was impressed with two things that came out of The Great Planet Debate meeting: first, that no one liked the IAU's definition of planethood, and second, that there are strongly divergent scientific opinions about what a planet is, with those who study orbits and those who study planets themselves seeing the matter very differently." said planetary scientist Alan Stern, currently a visiting scholar at the Lunar and Planetary Institute of Houston, Texas. "My view is that the dynamically based definitions are deeply flawed because they do not take into account any physical properties of the body in question, and give ridiculous results, for example classifying identical large objects in different orbits differently - so that even Earths are not always planets, which is crazy," Stern concluded. "Gravity forces large bodies to be round, whereas small bodies can be quite oddly shaped. But the proposed 'geophysical' definition of planethood based upon roundness uses a poor criterion because there is no good dividing line. Indeed, there are likely to be more intermediate solar system objects that are in the fuzzy 'roundish' area than there are objects that are clearly round. In contrast, the eight planets recognized by the IAU are significantly different from the numerous small objects that are classified as 'minor planets' (asteroids) in terms of both physical properties and their effects on bodies orbiting nearby," said Jack Lissauer, planetary scientist at NASA's Ames Research Center in Mountain View, California. "We all have a conceptual image of a planet. Therefore, we need a term that encompasses all objects that orbit the Sun or other stars," said Larry Lebofsky, Senior Education Specialist at the Planetary Science Institute in Tucson, Arizona. "The debate is a great teaching moment. Whether dwarf planets are grouped together with the classical planets is not as important as the process by which scientists arrived at their conclusions. Scientists look at the same information in different ways; there may be more than one 'answer'. Facts change. What we know now may not be what we know in two or three years. Learning to think critically and understanding how scientists organize facts to develop theories are lessons that will serve students for a lifetime." "The word 'planet' has a deep cultural context that cannot be decided by vote of a subset of astronomers meeting in a room somewhere, especially when that debate is rushed and the vote close", said William McKinnon, a Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Washington University in St. Louis, and an IAU member. "The IAU should reopen the issue to electronic debate by the entire astronomical community. I am sure the outcome in that case, whatever it turns out to be, or even if it is concluded that no universal definition is necessary, would be more satisfactory to all parties," he said. "I believe the IAU definition correctly recognized the utility of a dynamical criterion, but that it needs clarification, not abandonment. In particular, 'clearing' the neighborhood should be replaced by the concept of 'dynamical dominance'," said Steven Soter of the American Museum of Natural History in New York. Jay Pasachoff, from Williams College, who is spending this year at Caltech studying Pluto's atmosphere, says, "I have long tried, in my textbooks, to reflect consensus rather than trying to legislate new terminology. I think that the IAU should have limited their decision to the administrative assignment of naming responsibility and not tried to make decisions for the general public. If third-grade students eventually decide that Eris, Makemake, Haumea, and their successors are too many to learn about, then a new consensus may emerge. In the meantime, let's let scientific discovery continue to take its course and let us hope to excite new generations of students with the new information that emerges." "I think the IAU made a mistake getting into the business of defining a widely used word, 'planet', and sowing confusion thereby. Scientifically, the useful discussion would be about categories of planets (e.g., gaseous planets, rocky planets, dwarf planets, icy planets, free-floating planets, etc., and an individual celestial body may fall into more than one category). This approach would address the main practical problem of nomenclature without confusing the public about 'planet' itself," said Renu Malhotra, a Professor in the Department of Planetary Sciences of the University of Arizona. Neil deGrasse Tyson, astrophysicist with the American Museum of Natural History and panelist for the Great Planet Debate commented, "The word 'planet' has surely outlived its usefulness. The time has come for us to create a fresh and sensible classification scheme from the ground up -- one that applies to all objects of our own solar system, yet is flexible enough to embrace newly discovered objects elsewhere in the galaxy. Other fields, such as biology, and even subfields of astrophysics that study stars and galaxies, have strong needs to classify objects and have solved this problem long ago. It's time for the community of planetary scientists to do the same. We should not 'agree to disagree, we should 'agree to converge'." "It was a mistake for the IAU to dictate a definition when there is no consensus among planetary scientists. It is also counter-productive to focus only on the planets in our solar system, ignoring some 300 exoplanets," said David Morrison of NASA Ames Research Center. "The IAU definition of planet should be withdrawn or ignored." "Historically, 'planets' are just objects that orbit the Sun. Even asteroids are called 'minor planets' By the IAU. The controversy caused by the IAU officially declaring the term to be restricted to eight objects in our solar system was unnecessary, but a natural consequence of one group of people trying to impose their views on everyone else," said Mark Sykes, Director of the Planetary Science Institute, in Tucson, Arizona. "Ultimately, over the years, the process of science is not guided by imprimatur and ensures that the most generally useful perspective will prevail." The debate continues. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Planetary Science Institute is a private, nonprofit corporation founded in 1972 and dedicated to solar system exploration. It is headquartered in Tucson, Arizona. PSI scientists are involved in numerous NASA and international missions, the study of Mars and other planets, the Moon, asteroids, comets, interplanetary dust, impact physics, the origin of the solar system, extra-solar planet formation, dynamics, the rise of life, and other areas of research. They conduct fieldwork in North America, Australia and Africa. They also are actively involved in science education and public outreach through school programs, children's books, popular science books and art. The Institute's researchers are based in 15 states, the United Kingdom, Russia, Switzerland and Australia. From cynapse at charter.net Fri Sep 19 19:40:37 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:40:37 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientists hope to land spacecraft on asteroid In-Reply-To: <200809192228.PAA16541@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <200809192228.PAA16541@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Message-ID: http://news.scotsman.com/uk/Scientists-hope-to-land-spacecraft.4511699.jp Scientists hope to land spacecraft on asteroid Published Date: 20 September 2008 By Jenny Haworth EUROPEAN scientists are hoping to land a spacecraft on an asteroid to help research into the origins of Earth. Known as Marco Polo, the mission, run by scientists and engineers could take place in the next ten years. The aim would be to bring back material from an asteroid to learn more about how our solar system developed. A small asteroid ? less than a mile across ? would be selected near Earth. A spacecraft would land and drill for dust and rubble. Sattelite manufacturers Astrium in the UK and OHB in Germany are undertaking a study to assess the type of spacecraft that would be needed to carry out the project. Dr Ralph Cordey from Astrium said: "We've got to look at all elements of the mission ? how we would design the mission, how to design the trajectory to one of a number of possible asteroids, how to optimise that so we use the smallest spacecraft, the least fuel and the smallest rocket." Professor Andrew Collier Cameron, an astronomer from the University of St Andrews, said the venture could help solve the mystery of the origins of planets like Earth. "Getting samples is very, very important," said Prof Collier Cameron. "It gives us a sample of primordial material left over from the time when the solar system was formed." Asteroids are lumps of debris left over from the formation of the solar system about 4.6 billion years ago. They can provide pristine material to help scientists find out how planets could evolve from dust particles that built up to form gravel-like rocks. A final decision on whether to approve the mission will be made by the European Space Agency (ESA) in a few years. If approved, the mission would launch in about 2017. The mission could provide considerable challenges. If the spacecraft does not approach the asteroid correctly, it could be damaged or could bounce back off into space. It is expected that up 300g of dust and pebbles could be stored in a sealed capsule in the probe. It would release the capsule close to Earth for a re-entry. After it landed, the capsule would be opened in a clean facility to make sure there was no contamination of the samples. ESA has an exploration roadmap for the missions it wishes to conduct in the coming years. Marco Polo is being considered under its Cosmic Visions programme, and is one of a number of competing ideas in a class of missions that could cost in the region of 300 million (?238 million). Such a mission could help develop the technology needed for the more challenging task of landing on and leaving a planet that has a much bigger gravitational pull, such as Mars. BACKGROUND THE Japanese recently attempted to grab samples off the surface of Asteroid Itokawa. However, it is still not clear whether the spacecraft managed to capture any material. The probe is due to return to Earth in 2010. The Americans gathered information about Asteroid Eros with their NEAR Shoemaker probe, which orbited close to the asteroid to collect data in 2000. They have also sent the Dawn spacecraft to rendezvous with Asteroid Vesta in 2011 before going on to visit Asteroid Ceres in 2015. Europe's Rosetta probe, which is en route to a comet, took close-up pictures of Asteroid Steins during a flyby earlier this month. Ultimately, it is possible that astronauts could visit an asteroid. The US space agency is currently studying how this might be done. Also: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/09/19/europeans-lay-out-plans-to-bring-asteroid-chunks-back-to-earth/ (in honor of the date, passed through here http://www.syddware.com/cgi-bin/pirate.pl) Europeans Lay Ou' Plans t' Brin' Asteroid Chunks Aft t' Earth Th' European Space Agency (ESA) be considerin' a space voyage called Marco Polo, in which a spacecraft would land on a wee asteroid, drill into its surface t' collect samples o' rock an' dust, an' then fly aft t' Earth 'ere 't would drop its sample capsule down t' th' surface. Two satellite manufacturin' companies be currently conductin' a feasibility study; if ESA signs off on th' proposal, Marco Polo could sail off into space in 2017. Asteroids be chunks o' debris port o'er from th' chaotic mass that spun around th' young Sun durin' th' formation o' th' Solar System about 4.6 billion voyages ago. Th' rest o' th' material coalesced into planets [Th' Daily Mail]. Researchers say that studyin' th' composition o' an asteroid could give them insight into how th' solar system formed. Th' roughly $430 cargo holds o' voyage would also serve as a warm-up fer a hypothetical round-trip journey t' Mars, as 't would enable th' development o' technology needed fer gettin' up an' down from a large planetary body wi' a much bigger gravitational pull [Telegraph]. Marco Polo wouldna be th' first spacecraft t' alight on an asteroid, or t' try t' brin' aft a souvenir from one. In 2001, NASA brought th' NEAR Shoemaker spacecraft down fer a landin' on th' nearby asteroid Eros, from 'ere 't continued t' send data fer about two tides. Landin' can be tricky, tho: In 2005, Japan?s Hayabusa spacecraft attempted t' land briefly on th' Itokawa asteroid an' collect a rock sample, but malfunctions an' communication blackouts bedeviled th' voyage. Still, Japanese engineers b'lieve Hayabusa collected some dust that swirled up from th' asteroid?s surface, an' be eagerly awaitin' th' craft?s return t' Earth in 2010. While robotic rovers an' probes be havin' conducted many noteworthy experiments on extraterrestrial bodies, so-called sample return missions be o' increasin' interest t' scientists. Although in-situ measurements provide remarkable insights, so much more would be learnt if materials be brought aft t' Earth laboratories, 'ere th' full panoply o' modern analytical technologies can be deployed [BBC News]. ESA an' NASA be havin' also discussed cooperatin' on a sample return voyage t' Mars, although th' $4.5 t' $8 billion price tag fer such a voyage be dauntin'. From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 20:38:06 2008 From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : FOR SALE - MAPS Journal April 2008 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <903418.62803.qm@web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi folks! I am offering for sale the following item (trying to recover financially from the evacuation expenses of hurricane Gustav) : 1) MAPS Journal - Meteoritics and Planetary Science, the official publication of the Meteoritical Society. Volume 43, Number 4, April 2008. - Mint condition, $25.00 shipped to anywhere in the CONUS. Contents : a) Radial Transport in the Solar Nebula : Implications for moderately volatile element depletions in chondritic meteorites. b) Evolution of the Winonaite Parent Body : Clues from silicate material trace elements distributions c) 182Hf - 182W Chronometry and the Early Evolution History in the acapulcoite parent body. d) Noble Gases in Grant and Carbo and the influence of S- and P-rich mineral inclusions in the 41K-40K dating system. e) Structural Evolution of the 40km wide Araguainha impact structure, Central Brazil. f) Kinetic Stability of a melted iron globule during chondrule formation. Non-rotating model. g) Frontier Mountain Meteorite Specimens of the acapulcoite-lodranite clan : Petrography, pairing, and parent rock lithology of an unusual intrusive rock. h) PDF Orientations in shocked quartz grains around the Chicxulub crater. i) Araki (L5) chondrite : the first meteorite find in Thar Desert of India. j) Experimental Impacts into chondritic targets, Part I : Disruption of an L6 chondrite by multiple impacts. k) The 410,000 year terrestrial age of eucrite Rio Cuarto 001. l) Constraints on the depth and variability of the lunar regolith. ---> I also have 100-gram lots of small UNWA stones available for $25 shipped. (CONUS only) ---> Zagami "Bessey Specks" - $15 (includes gem jar and label) (*** PAYPAL ONLY ***) Canadian and Overseas sales will incur extra shipping charges - email me for a quote. Thanks for looking and clear skies! MikeG ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .......................................................... From bobl at peaktopeak.com Fri Sep 19 21:58:18 2008 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:58:18 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] the denver show (PHOTOS!) In-Reply-To: <8CAE503A40A7840-14A4-5919@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080920015838.CE34C10543@mailwash5.pair.com> Hi Doug, Yes, I think that was Matt Morgan's big Johnstown in one of the showcases. Speaking of which... We now have photos posted on the COMETS website! Photos were taken by Ron Pearson and are of the Friday night auction, Saturday night dinner and the COMETS two showcases at the main Denver Show. You can see the photos at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/gallery/2008show/2008show.htm Click on the thumbnail images to see larger photos. Regards, Bob Loeffler COMETS Colorado Meteorite Society -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of mexicodoug at aim.com Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:36 PM To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the denver show Hi Steve and friends from Denver. Steve, your really got to come next year. The local Denver meteorite listmembers and Crado meteorite club hosts organized a super Mexican buffet dinner last night, and it was laid back and enjoyable (hopefully I can go go to a meteorite even one of these days that is not Mexican food since . A nice complement to Tucson. In the main fossil center there was a superb exhibit of, I'm betting of around 50% of all Colorado meteorites. Museum specimens just about every one of them. I think it fit in very well with the theme of the show casing of Colorado minerals and even a hands on gold panning display that was a real family event. Several dealers were here, and I enjoyed chatting with a very educational and professional set up that Fred Hall and his children had.. Otherwise, the deals weren't anything to write home about as Mike alrady mentioned. On second thought, there were deals if you looked hard enough. Hans was dealing with a couple of new items and Blaine had a bunch of new items, for example. The auction was nice, I wanted to bid on Claxton, but I couldn't find my card on time, so someone got a deal. I had the pleasure of meeting Art Ehlmann who kindly placed a few TCU specimens in the auction, and had some very interesting stories to relate regarding Nininger - Monnig correspondence and the like from years backs. Larr Sloan and Larry Johnson, too. Anne Black and the Jensens were both very enthusiastic as always and pleasant. Sorry I missede Matt Morgan. (I wonder if it was his piece of Johnstown in the Colorado meteorite exhibit Must have been a 100 gram half stone or so with the most beautiful, fresh matrix of the show for me. There are many people in Denver that are not hard core meteorite folk that sort of get pulled into it. There just isn't that tense deal-or-die attitude I sometimes see in Tucson. Overall a great small, short, and sweet show set in the foot of snow capped mountains. Thanks to all who made this possible. I just hope the dealers broke even as the traffic seemed light to me, but hey, it was my first tiime visiting this enjoyable show. Comet Shop had some great deals, otherwise Sikhote-Alins just keep drifting upwards in prices for all types and flight marked pieces were rare which uite frankly is scary. Or maybe the early birds got the worms; I came just for the weekend... Hope that helps... Best wuishes, Doug From michael at spacerocksinc.com Sat Sep 20 07:51:08 2008 From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 04:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 20, 2008 Message-ID: <3242817.148951221911468448.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_20_2008.html From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sat Sep 20 11:48:45 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 20 Sep 2008 15:48:45 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] RFS Picture of the Day, Sep 20, 2008 Message-ID: Tom wrote: "CK3.8 thin section in cross polarized light. This particular thin section has a large CAI. Within this inclusion is a most interesting structure". Hello All, These quatrangular, square-shaped crystals are probably hercynitic spinel (FeAl2O4). Best, Bernd From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sat Sep 20 13:01:27 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 20 Sep 2008 17:01:27 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] RFS Picture of the Day, Sep 20, 2008 Message-ID: Andrei wrote: "I dont think it's hercynite. Hercynite is an opaque phase" Hi Andrei and List, Hercynite is only opaque in thin section *if* it is deeply colored. Best, Bernd From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Sat Sep 20 14:01:30 2008 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:01:30 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Tieschitz Pronunciation? Message-ID: <20080920180138.37328105AE@mailwash5.pair.com> I am hoping someone on the list can tell me/us the correct pronunciation of the Czech meteorite Tieschitz. I am horrible with guessing these things, but I would guess 'teesh-kytze.' Thank you! Mike Bandli From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sat Sep 20 14:28:28 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 20 Sep 2008 18:28:28 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Tieschitz Pronunciation? Message-ID: Mike inquired: I am hoping someone on the list can tell me/us the correct pronunciation of the Czech meteorite Tieschitz. I am horrible with guessing these things, but I would guess 'teesh-kytze.' Hi Mike and List, When Tieschitz fell in 1878, this region of the Czech Republic still belonged to Austria. So, Tieschitz is the German place name for "Tesice" and Germans as well as Austrian would pronounce it like "tea" or "tee" + "shits"(Sorry for the vulgar example!) Bernd From brandes at gmx.at Sat Sep 20 14:38:17 2008 From: brandes at gmx.at (Stefan Brandes) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:38:17 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Tieschitz Pronunciation? Message-ID: <000601c91b50$0ccc2990$f49a2fd5@HP17984996113> I?d say without the 'k' 'teesh-ytz' sounds like : tea sheets i?d say ;) greetings from Austria, Stefan >>I am hoping someone on the list can tell me/us the correct pronunciation >>of >> the Czech meteorite Tieschitz. I am horrible with guessing these things, >> but >> I would guess 'teesh-kytze.' >> >> Thank you! >> >> Mike Bandli >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mark at meteorites.cc Sat Sep 20 15:51:19 2008 From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:51:19 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] ESA plans asteroid sample-return mission Message-ID: <48D55437.3010708@meteorites.cc> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7623411.stm -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc From romanj at sympatico.ca Sat Sep 20 17:36:16 2008 From: romanj at sympatico.ca (Roman) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:36:16 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Tieschitz Pronunciation? References: <20080920180138.37328105AE@mailwash5.pair.com> Message-ID: <00fa01c91b68$e9a6c7e0$6500a8c0@compaqsdg7ojf0> http://www.minorplanets.de/meteorites/pronouncing/index_german.html Try this site with many meteorite name pronunciations, it has been posted before. To me it sounds like 'tea-shits' close to where I was born back in 65. Cheers, Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bandli" To: "'Meteorite List'" Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 2:01 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Tieschitz Pronunciation? >I am hoping someone on the list can tell me/us the correct pronunciation of > the Czech meteorite Tieschitz. I am horrible with guessing these things, > but > I would guess 'teesh-kytze.' > > Thank you! > > Mike Bandli > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10740e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ From shade6585719 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 18:07:40 2008 From: shade6585719 at yahoo.com (BOBO173rd) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] does anybody know what this might be? Message-ID: <380256.81137.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is only 2nd time posting if I did something wrong please let me know.thanks Harley IMG000250.jpg From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu Sat Sep 20 19:22:42 2008 From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:22:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientists Debate Planet Definition and Agree to Disagree In-Reply-To: <200809192228.PAA16541@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <200809192228.PAA16541@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <59715.71.226.60.25.1221952962.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu> Hello everyone: The actual press release had contact information for all of the scientists quoted here. If you have any interest in contacting them, please let me know and I can send you contact information. Larry On Fri, September 19, 2008 3:28 pm, Ron Baalke wrote: > > > http://www.psi.edu/press/archive/20080919planetdebate/ > > > Scientists Debate Planet Definition and Agree to Disagree > Planetary Science Institute Press Release > > > September 19, 2008 - Two years ago the International Astronomical Union > (IAU) elected to define the term planet, restricting it to the eight > largest bodies orbiting the Sun, and deleting Pluto from the list. The > demotion of Pluto sparked considerable public controversy. Numerous > planetary scientists and astronomers protested the IAU's definition as not > useful, while numerous other planetary scientists and astronomers > supported the outcome. > > Recognizing the need for further scientific debate on planet definition, > more than 100 scientists and educators representing a wide range of > viewpoints on the issue converged for three days on the Applied Physics > Laboratory of Johns Hopkins University (APL) for "The Great Planet > Debate: Science as Process" conference last > month. The conference was sponsored by NASA, APL, the Planetary Science > Institute, The Planetary Society, and the American Astronautical Society. > > > Different positions were advocated, ranging from reworking the IAU > definition (but yielding the same outcome of eight planets), replacing it > with a geophysical-based definition (that would increase the number of > planets well beyond eight), and rescinding the definition for planet > altogether and focusing on defining subcategories for serving different > purposes. No consensus was reached. > > A sample of the opinions expressed by conference participants follows: > > > "I was impressed with two things that came out of The Great Planet > Debate meeting: first, that no one liked the IAU's definition of > planethood, and second, that there are strongly divergent scientific > opinions about what a planet is, with those who study orbits and those who > study planets themselves seeing the matter very differently." said > planetary scientist Alan Stern, currently a visiting scholar at the Lunar > and Planetary Institute of Houston, Texas. "My view is that the > dynamically based definitions are deeply flawed because they do not take > into account any physical properties of the body in question, and give > ridiculous results, for example classifying identical large objects in > different orbits differently - so that even Earths are not always planets, > which is crazy," Stern concluded. > > "Gravity forces large bodies to be round, whereas small bodies can be > quite oddly shaped. But the proposed 'geophysical' definition of planethood > based upon roundness uses a poor criterion because there is no good > dividing line. Indeed, there are likely to be more intermediate solar > system objects that are in the fuzzy 'roundish' area than there are > objects that are clearly round. In contrast, the eight planets recognized > by the IAU are significantly different from the numerous small objects > that are classified as 'minor planets' (asteroids) in terms of both > physical properties and their effects on bodies orbiting nearby," said > Jack Lissauer, planetary scientist at NASA's Ames Research > Center in Mountain View, California. > > > "We all have a conceptual image of a planet. Therefore, we need a term > that encompasses all objects that orbit the Sun or other stars," said Larry > Lebofsky, Senior Education Specialist at the Planetary Science > Institute in Tucson, Arizona. "The debate is a great teaching moment. > Whether dwarf planets are grouped together with the classical planets is > not as important as the process by which scientists arrived at their > conclusions. Scientists look at the same information in different ways; > there may be more than one 'answer'. Facts change. What we know now may > not be what we know in two or three years. Learning to think critically > and understanding how scientists organize facts to develop theories are > lessons that will serve students for a lifetime." > > "The word 'planet' has a deep cultural context that cannot be decided by > vote of a subset of astronomers meeting in a room somewhere, especially > when that debate is rushed and the vote close", said William McKinnon, a > Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Washington University in > St. Louis, and an IAU member. "The IAU should reopen the issue to > electronic debate by the entire astronomical community. I am sure the > outcome in that case, whatever it turns out to be, or even if it is > concluded that no universal definition is necessary, would be more > satisfactory to all parties," he said. > > "I believe the IAU definition correctly recognized the utility of a > dynamical criterion, but that it needs clarification, not abandonment. In > particular, 'clearing' the neighborhood should be replaced by the concept > of 'dynamical dominance'," said Steven Soter of the American Museum of > Natural History in New York. > > > Jay Pasachoff, from Williams College, who is spending this year at > Caltech studying Pluto's atmosphere, says, "I have long tried, in my > textbooks, to reflect consensus rather than trying to legislate new > terminology. I think that the IAU should have limited their decision to > the administrative assignment of naming responsibility and not tried to > make decisions for the general public. If third-grade students eventually > decide that Eris, Makemake, Haumea, and their successors are too many to > learn about, then a new consensus may emerge. In the meantime, let's let > scientific discovery continue to take its course and let us hope to excite > new generations of students with the new information that emerges." > > "I think the IAU made a mistake getting into the business of defining a > widely used word, 'planet', and sowing confusion thereby. Scientifically, > the useful discussion would be about categories of planets (e.g., gaseous > planets, rocky planets, dwarf planets, icy planets, free-floating planets, > etc., and an individual celestial body may fall into more than one > category). This approach would address the main practical problem of > nomenclature without confusing the public about 'planet' itself," said > Renu Malhotra, a Professor in the > Department of Planetary Sciences of the University of Arizona. > > > Neil deGrasse Tyson, astrophysicist with the American Museum of Natural > History and panelist for the Great Planet Debate commented, "The word > 'planet' has surely outlived its usefulness. The time has come for us to > create a fresh and sensible classification scheme from the ground up -- one > that applies to all objects of our own solar system, yet is flexible > enough to embrace newly discovered objects elsewhere in the galaxy. Other > fields, such as biology, and even subfields of astrophysics that study > stars and galaxies, have strong needs to classify objects and have solved > this problem long ago. It's time for the community of planetary scientists > to do the same. We should not 'agree to disagree, we should 'agree to > converge'." > > "It was a mistake for the IAU to dictate a definition when there is no > consensus among planetary scientists. It is also counter-productive to > focus only on the planets in our solar system, ignoring some 300 > exoplanets," said David Morrison of NASA Ames Research Center. "The IAU > definition of planet should be withdrawn or ignored." > > "Historically, 'planets' are just objects that orbit the Sun. Even > asteroids are called 'minor planets' By the IAU. The controversy caused by > the IAU officially declaring the term to be restricted to eight objects in > our solar system was unnecessary, but a natural consequence of one group > of people trying to impose their views on everyone else," said Mark Sykes, > Director of the Planetary Science Institute, in Tucson, > Arizona. "Ultimately, over the years, the process of science is not > guided by imprimatur and ensures that the most generally useful perspective > will prevail." > > The debate continues. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > The Planetary Science Institute is a private, nonprofit corporation > founded in 1972 and dedicated to solar system exploration. It is > headquartered in Tucson, Arizona. > > PSI scientists are involved in numerous NASA and international missions, > the study of Mars and other planets, the Moon, asteroids, comets, > interplanetary dust, impact physics, the origin of the solar system, > extra-solar planet formation, dynamics, the rise of life, and other areas > of research. They conduct fieldwork in North America, Australia and > Africa. They also are actively involved in science education and > public outreach through school programs, children's books, popular science > books and art. > > The Institute's researchers are based in 15 states, the United Kingdom, > Russia, Switzerland and Australia. > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 19:40:11 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] 53 gram mill bill stone Message-ID: <466864.3378.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list.What a day.The cubs won the central division and I just got my 53 gram mill bill stone from dez leong.I have had a few mill bill stones since I have been in meteorites,but I have NEVER seen a mill bill piece look this good.It is 100% fusion crusted not a mark on it.Just completely pristine!Nice dark crust with a little desert varnish.Just a thing of beauty.Thanks to dez,I got the last one he had and a GREAT price. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 20:33:51 2008 From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com (Abdelaziz Alhyane) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Test delete Message-ID: <35206.64639.qm@web45407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Test delete From mikewren at gilanet.com Sat Sep 20 21:08:16 2008 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:08:16 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: For Sale Or Show...This Cool MUONIONALUSTA Slice is worth a look even if you don't purchase it... Message-ID: <200809201910545.SM01660@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello, Check out this cool Muonionalusta slice.really worth a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256027274 Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 22:05:48 2008 From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Extinction-level Asteroid Impact Simulation Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <743902.97280.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi List! My apologies if this has been posted previously. http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2008/09/09 It's a video showing a simulation of a 500km asteroid striking Earth. Enjoy! MikeG ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .......................................................... --- On Fri, 9/19/08, meteorite-list-request at meteoritecentral.com wrote: > From: meteorite-list-request at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25 > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 8:58 PM > Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > meteorite-list-request at meteoritecentral.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > meteorite-list-owner at meteoritecentral.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. CHASSIGNITE - No Reserve / IM CHAIT AUCTION > THIS SUNDAY > (Darryl Pitt) > 2. BAD LINK? / CHASSIGNITE - No Reserve / IM > CHAIT AUCTION THIS > SUNDAY (Darryl Pitt) > 3. IM CHAIT AUCTION THIS SUNDAY > (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) > 4. Ziz Meteorite Photographs - Link (Jason Utas) > 5. Re: Ziz Meteorite Photographs - Link > (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) > 6. Mars Exploration Rovers Update - September 4-11, 2008 > (Ron Baalke) > 7. Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: September 15-19, 2008 > (Ron Baalke) > 8. AD - Looking to TRADE ZAG (David & Kitt Deyarmin) > 9. Scientists Debate Planet Definition and Agree > to Disagree > (Ron Baalke) > 10. Scientists hope to land spacecraft on asteroid > (Darren Garrison) > 11. AD : FOR SALE - MAPS Journal April 2008 (Michael > Gilmer) > 12. Re: the denver show (PHOTOS!) (Bob Loeffler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:45:01 -0400 > From: Darryl Pitt > Subject: [meteorite-list] CHASSIGNITE - No Reserve / IM > CHAIT AUCTION > THIS SUNDAY > To: meteorite-list List > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; > format=flowed > > > > With gratitude to Adam Hupe's for his plug of the IM > CHAIT auction > taking place this Sunday. > > Meteorites commence with lot 216 > > > LOT 229 / CHASSIGNITE - NWA 2737 / small complete > slice...and cheap!! > LOT 226 / CK-ANOM - Ningqiang / fragment with crust of the > most > exotic Chinese meteorite > LOT 217 / LUNAR - NWA 482 / with crust and a low reserve. > LOT 218 / LUNAR - SHIS,R 160 / the recently named lunar > found by Mike > Farmer and Robert Ward earlier this year. Complete > Slice--and nearly > all the material is gone. > > > http://www.chait.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=6&ps=50 > > Also featuring Fukang, Campo, Gibeon, Imilac, Glorieta > (pallasite) > and more. > > > Enjoy!! > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:51:53 -0400 > From: Darryl Pitt > Subject: [meteorite-list] BAD LINK? / CHASSIGNITE - No > Reserve / IM > CHAIT AUCTION THIS SUNDAY > To: meteorite-list List > > Message-ID: > <1C07DCFE-4D9B-4946-9593-BEBA5BFA388D at dof3.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; > format=flowed > > > > Hi there! > > I've received a couple of emails which have indicated > that the link > provided below is not working. I regret the inconvenience. > > Should you be experiencing difficulty, please go to: > > http://www.chait.com > > ---Then click on the Natural History catalog > > ---Then click the link for LOTS 200-250 at the top of the > page > > > All best, > > Darryl > > > =========================== > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Darryl Pitt > > Date: September 19, 2008 1:45:01 PM EDT > > To: meteorite-list List > > > Subject: CHASSIGNITE - No Reserve / IM CHAIT AUCTION > THIS SUNDAY > > > > > > > > With gratitude to Adam Hupe's for his plug of the > IM CHAIT auction > > taking place this Sunday. > > > > Meteorites commence with lot 216 > > > > > > LOT 229 / CHASSIGNITE - NWA 2737 / small complete > slice...and cheap!! > > LOT 226 / CK-ANOM - Ningqiang / fragment with crust of > the most > > exotic Chinese meteorite > > LOT 217 / LUNAR - NWA 482 / with crust and a low > reserve. > > LOT 218 / LUNAR - SHIS,R 160 / the recently named > lunar found by > > Mike Farmer and Robert Ward earlier this year. > Complete Slice--and > > nearly all the material is gone. > > > > > > > http://www.chait.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=6&ps=50 > > > > Also featuring Fukang, Campo, Gibeon, Imilac, Glorieta > (pallasite) > > and more. > > > > > > Enjoy!! > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: 19 Sep 2008 21:02:24 UT > From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > Subject: [meteorite-list] IM CHAIT AUCTION THIS SUNDAY > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Then click the link for LOTS 200-250 at the top of > the page > > .. then click the link for lots 201-250 > > Sorry! I couldn't resist. A teacher's blood still > running in my veins :-)) > > But: I know that there are several list members who also > love and collect > crystals and minerals. Have a look at auction item # 16. > Wow! Beautiful > quartz crystals and embedded within a single cubic pyrite. > Breathtakingly > aesthetic!!! > > Bernd > > To: darryl at dof3.com > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:13:51 -0700 > From: "Jason Utas" > Subject: [meteorite-list] Ziz Meteorite Photographs - Link > To: Meteorite-list > > Message-ID: > <93aaac890809191413v7016a449wd18b9460065c3b83 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello All, > > In light of the new iron being found, and it's supposed > similarity to > Ziz, I've taken the liberty of shooting some of the Ziz > irons. > All of the photos are available in large sizes, with the > best > resolution I could give. > > They're available at the following link: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/30622578 at N08/sets/72157607335937821/ > > I'm not sure if one has to become a member of the > website to view the > photos in full-resolution or not, but if it's offered, > clicking on the > "all sizes" tab located at the upper left of the > picture should allow > you a full-screen view of any photo I've posted. > > In any case, I'm of the opinion that Ziz is distinct > from the new > finds. I don't have a slice on-hand to compare, but > from what I can > remember, there wasn't a single silicate inclusion > present in any of > the slices from the 20+kg mass that was sectioned. > Although one could say that, as with Campo, there are > silicate-rich > and silicate-poor areas within the iron, I would simply > point out the > fact that even the slices of Campo rare in silicates > typically show an > inclusion or two - and none of the individuals pictured has > a single > silicate inclusion visible on its surface. So...well, have > a look. > > Regards, > Jason > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: 19 Sep 2008 21:23:13 UT > From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ziz Meteorite Photographs - > Link > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello "Operation Clean Sweep" and List, > > "In any case - enjoy" > > Thank you for sharing them, ...that's what I did! > > "I know they're not professional" > > That's definitely an understatement! Geoff, your > comment(s), please! > Some of these pictures are extraordinary! I especially like > this overview: > > 14 + 23 + 21 + 4 +2 kg + 37 + 47 + 173g Ziz > > Best, > > Bernd > > > > To: meteoritekid at gmail.com > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:03:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ron Baalke > Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - > September > 4-11, 2008 > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing > List) > Message-ID: > <200809192203.PAA12051 at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html > > SPIRIT UPDATE: Light Duty for Now - sol 1663-1668, > September 05-11, 2008: > > Spirit continues to conserve solar power while performing > light science > activities during the Martian winter. During the past week, > Spirit > studied the atmosphere and acquired two frames of the > full-color image > mosaic known as the "Bonestell panorama." > > Spirit is healthy and all subsystems are performing as > expected as of > the relay of information from NASA's Odyssey orbiter on > sol 1666 (Sept. > 9, 2008). Solar-array energy and tau -- a measure of > atmospheric opacity > caused by suspended dust -- are holding steady at 245 > watt-hours (100 > watt-hours is the amount of energy needed to light a > 100-watt bulb for > one hour) and 0.20, respectively. > > Sol-by-sol summary > > In addition to taking daily measurements of dust-related > changes in > atmospheric opacity (tau), Spirit completed the following > activities: > > Sol 1663 (Sept. 6, 2008): Spirit recharged the batteries. > > Sol 1664: Spirit acquired column 18 of the Bonestell > panorama, using all > 13 color filters of the panoramic camera. > > Sol 1665: Spirit recharged the batteries. > > Sol 1666: Spirit recharged the batteries. > > Sol 1667: Spirit received new instructions from Earth via > the rover's > high-gain antenna and relayed data to the UHF antenna on > NASA's Odyssey > orbiter to be transmitted to Earth. > > Sol 1668 (Sept. 11, 2008): Spirit monitored dust > accumulation on the > panoramic-camera mast assembly and acquired column 19 of > the Bonestell > panorama. > > Odometry: > > As of sol 1666 (Sept. 9, 2008), Spirit's total odometry > was 7,528.0 > meters (4.7 miles). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Playing in the Sand - sol 1641-1647, > September 04-11, 2008: > > During the past week, Opportunity performed several tests > of the robotic > arm to learn how to use it with a disabled shoulder joint. > Having > successfully completed those tests, Opportunity is moving > on to > investigate some bright patches of dust. Scientists hope to > ascertain if > the patches contain material not thoroughly analyzed in the > past. > > On sol (Martian day) 1641 (Sept. 4, 2008), Opportunity > homed in on an > area of sand that appeared to contain a high concentration > of dust. For > the next several days, sols 1642-1647 (Sept. 5-11, 2008), > the rover > tested the robotic arm's ability to place scientific > instruments on > specific targets in the sand. These instruments included > the Moessbauer > spectrometer, microscopic imager, and alpha-particle X-ray > spectrometer. > Tests revealed that the robotic arm placed the instruments > in position > with very little error in spite of the disabled shoulder > joint. Because > the dust was not pure enough to yield the desired > scientific results, > engineers decided on sol 1648 (Sept. 12, 2008) to drive the > rover north > to a more promising area of apparent dust patches. > > On sol 1644 (Sept. 7, 2009), Opportunity relayed data at > UHF frequencies > to NASA's Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter (MRO). Typically, > the rover sends > data to NASA's Odyssey orbiter for transmission to > Earth. Once a month, > Opportunity is relaying data to the Mars Reconnaissance > Orbiter in > preparation for using it more in the future. > > Opportunity is healthy, with all subsystems performing as > expected as of > the most recent transfer of information from NASA's > Odyssey orbiter on > sol 1647 (Sept. 11, 2008). Power rose to 652 watt-hours > (enough energy > to light a 100-watt bulb for a tad longer than 6.5 hours). > > Sol-by-sol summary: > > Each Martian day, or sol, Opportunity measured dust-related > changes in > atmospheric clarity with the panoramic camera. In addition, > Opportunity > completed the following activities: > > Sol 1641 (Sept. 4, 2008): Before driving, Opportunity > acquired a 3-by-1 > panel of panoramic-camera images looking north. The rover > then nudged > toward a bright patch and, after stopping, acquired images > of the ground > near its wheels and the area directly ahead with the > hazard-avoidance > and navigation cameras, respectively. The rover relayed > data to Odyssey. > > Sol 1642: In the morning, Opportunity took thumbnail images > and spot > images of the sky for calibration purposes with the > panoramic camera. > Next, the rover tested movement and placement of the > Moessbauer > spectrometer, taking images near the ground with the > hazard-avoidance > cameras and images from above with the panoramic camera. > Opportunity > then used the Moessbauer spectrometer to acquire > compositional data from > a sand dune on the rim of "Victoria Crater." > After relaying data to > Odyssey, Opportunity went into a mini-deep sleep. > > Sol 1643: Opportunity acquired six, time-lapse movie frames > in search of > morning clouds with the navigation camera. Opportunity > continued to > acquire data from the sand dune at the rim of Victoria > Crater with the > Moessbauer spectrometer. Opportunity took full-color > images, using all 13 > color filters of the panoramic camera, of the rover's > tracks. After > sending data to Odyssey, Opportunity went into a mini-deep > sleep. > > Sol 1644: Opportunity acquired six, time-lapse movie frames > in search of > clouds. The rover continued to collect data from the dune > on the rim of > Victoria Crater using the Moessbauer spectrometer. Before > communicating > with Odyssey, Opportunity relayed data to the Mars > Reconnaissance > Orbiter for transmission to Earth. After sending data to > Odyssey, the > rover went into a mini-deep sleep. > > Sol 1645: In the morning, Opportunity acquired six, > time-lapse movie > frames in search of clouds with the navigation camera. > Opportunity > acquired a 1-by-3-by-15 stack of microscopic images of > ripple soil. The > rover restarted the Moessbauer spectrometer and began > collecting data > from the soil in the ripples. After transmitting data to > Odysssey, > Opportunity acquired a 3-by-1 panel of images of a target > dubbed > "Schuchert." > > Sol 1646: Opportunity monitored dust accumulation on the > panoramic-camera mast assembly and restarted the Moessbauer > spectrometer > for collecting data on the ripple soil. The rover used the > miniature > thermal emission spectrometer to complete a mini-survey of > the sky and > ground. Before sending data to Odyssey, Opportunity used > the > spectrometer to characterize the external calibration > target. > > Sol 1647 (Sept. 11, 2008): Opportunity acquired more > time-lapse, movie > frames to document potential clouds passing overhead. The > rover took a > 3-by-1 panel of images of Schuchert with the panoramic > camera and a > time-lapse movie in search of clouds. Opportunity placed > the > alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer on the ripple soil and, > after sending > data to Odyssey, acquired compositional data. Plans for the > following > morning called for the rover to study a cobble field, > acquiring a 4-by-1 > panel of images with the panoramic camera. > > Odometry: > > As of sol 1647 (Sept. 11, 2008), Opportunity's total > odometry was > 11,782.10 meters (7.32 miles). > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:05:53 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ron Baalke > Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: > September 15-19, > 2008 > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing > List) > Message-ID: > <200809192205.PAA13017 at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES > September 15-19, 2008 > > o Lava Channel (Released 15 September 2008) > http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080915a > > o Buvinda Vallis (Released 16 September 2008) > http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080916a > > o Tempe Terra (Released 17 September 2008) > http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080917a > > o Iani Chaos (Released 18 September 2008) > http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080918a > > o Ascraeus Mons (Released 19 September 2008) > http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080919a > > > All of the THEMIS images are archived here: > > http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html > > NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars > Odyssey mission > for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. > The Thermal Emission > Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State > University, > Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote > Sensing. > The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen > at Arizona State > University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the > prime contractor > for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the > orbiter. Mission > operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and > from JPL, a > division of the California Institute of Technology in > Pasadena. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:13:39 -0400 > From: "David & Kitt Deyarmin" > > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Looking to TRADE ZAG > To: > Message-ID: <0AE89A852ABA466F9EF675093A449669 at David> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I have about 700 grams of Zag slices available for sale at > $3 per gram. > These are some super nice slices and you can see them by > clicking this: > > http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/FS%20Zag.htm > > > > > > I am also open to trades / partial trades with cash / etc > for the following > material - > > GHUBARA (L5) > > SIKHOTE - ALIN > > A SUITABLE H4 OF H4 > > A MESOSIDERITE > > > > My only stipulation is that the material be large enough to > produce a 50mm > sphere. To meet that requirement it has to measure at > least 52mm in what > would be the center of all 3 axis that the sphere rough > would be cut from. > > My only motivation for selling material is to acquire new > material for > additional spheres to add to my collection. The material I > sell is created > from specimens I buy to process into a sphere. > > I'm sure I can sell this material over a protracted > time period but it's > possible that one of you may have something I'm looking > for just collecting > dust on a shelf somewhere so this could be beneficial to > everyone involved. > > > > If you have something that you think I might be interested > in contact me off > list at bobadebt at ec.rr.com > > Thanks > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:28:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ron Baalke > Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientists Debate Planet > Definition and > Agree to Disagree > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing > List) > Message-ID: > <200809192228.PAA16541 at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > http://www.psi.edu/press/archive/20080919planetdebate/ > > Scientists Debate Planet Definition and Agree to Disagree > Planetary Science Institute Press Release > > September 19, 2008 - Two years ago the International > Astronomical Union > (IAU) elected to define the term planet, restricting it to > the eight > largest bodies orbiting the Sun, and deleting Pluto from > the list. The > demotion of Pluto sparked considerable public controversy. > Numerous > planetary scientists and astronomers protested the > IAU's definition as > not useful, while numerous other planetary scientists and > astronomers > supported the outcome. > > Recognizing the need for further scientific debate on > planet definition, > more than 100 scientists and educators representing a wide > range of > viewpoints on the issue converged for three days on the > Applied Physics > Laboratory of Johns Hopkins University (APL) for "The > Great Planet > Debate: Science as Process" conference > last > month. The conference was sponsored by NASA, APL, the > Planetary Science > Institute, The Planetary Society, and the American > Astronautical Society. > > Different positions were advocated, ranging from reworking > the IAU > definition (but yielding the same outcome of eight > planets), replacing > it with a geophysical-based definition (that would increase > the number > of planets well beyond eight), and rescinding the > definition for planet > altogether and focusing on defining subcategories for > serving different > purposes. No consensus was reached. > > A sample of the opinions expressed by conference > participants follows: > > "I was impressed with two things that came out of The > Great Planet > Debate meeting: first, that no one liked the IAU's > definition of > planethood, and second, that there are strongly divergent > scientific > opinions about what a planet is, with those who study > orbits and those > who study planets themselves seeing the matter very > differently." said > planetary scientist Alan Stern, currently a visiting > scholar at the > Lunar and Planetary Institute of Houston, Texas. "My > view is that the > dynamically based definitions are deeply flawed because > they do not take > into account any physical properties of the body in > question, and give > ridiculous results, for example classifying identical large > objects in > different orbits differently - so that even Earths are not > always > planets, which is crazy," Stern concluded. > > "Gravity forces large bodies to be round, whereas > small bodies can be > quite oddly shaped. But the proposed 'geophysical' > definition of > planethood based upon roundness uses a poor criterion > because there is > no good dividing line. Indeed, there are likely to be more > intermediate > solar system objects that are in the fuzzy > 'roundish' area than there > are objects that are clearly round. In contrast, the eight > planets > recognized by the IAU are significantly different from the > numerous > small objects that are classified as 'minor > planets' (asteroids) in > terms of both physical properties and their effects on > bodies orbiting > nearby," said Jack Lissauer, planetary scientist at > NASA's Ames Research > Center in Mountain View, California. > > "We all have a conceptual image of a planet. > Therefore, we need a term > that encompasses all objects that orbit the Sun or other > stars," said > Larry Lebofsky, Senior Education Specialist at the > Planetary Science > Institute in Tucson, Arizona. "The debate is a great > teaching moment. > Whether dwarf planets are grouped together with the > classical planets is > not as important as the process by which scientists arrived > at their > conclusions. Scientists look at the same information in > different ways; > there may be more than one 'answer'. Facts change. > What we know now may > not be what we know in two or three years. Learning to > think critically > and understanding how scientists organize facts to develop > theories are > lessons that will serve students for a lifetime." > > "The word 'planet' has a deep cultural context > that cannot be decided by > vote of a subset of astronomers meeting in a room > somewhere, especially > when that debate is rushed and the vote close", said > William McKinnon, a > Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Washington > University in > St. Louis, and an IAU member. "The IAU should reopen > the issue to > electronic debate by the entire astronomical community. I > am sure the > outcome in that case, whatever it turns out to be, or even > if it is > concluded that no universal definition is necessary, would > be more > satisfactory to all parties," he said. > > "I believe the IAU definition correctly recognized the > utility of a > dynamical criterion, but that it needs clarification, not > abandonment. > In particular, 'clearing' the neighborhood should > be replaced by the > concept of 'dynamical dominance'," said Steven > Soter of the American > Museum of Natural History in New York. > > Jay Pasachoff, from Williams College, who is spending this > year at > Caltech studying Pluto's atmosphere, says, "I have > long tried, in my > textbooks, to reflect consensus rather than trying to > legislate new > terminology. I think that the IAU should have limited their > decision to > the administrative assignment of naming responsibility and > not tried to > make decisions for the general public. If third-grade > students > eventually decide that Eris, Makemake, Haumea, and their > successors are > too many to learn about, then a new consensus may emerge. > In the > meantime, let's let scientific discovery continue to > take its course and > let us hope to excite new generations of students with the > new > information that emerges." > > "I think the IAU made a mistake getting into the > business of defining a > widely used word, 'planet', and sowing confusion > thereby. > Scientifically, the useful discussion would be about > categories of > planets (e.g., gaseous planets, rocky planets, dwarf > planets, icy > planets, free-floating planets, etc., and an individual > celestial body > may fall into more than one category). This approach would > address the > main practical problem of nomenclature without confusing > the public > about 'planet' itself," said Renu Malhotra, a > Professor in the > Department of Planetary Sciences of the University of > Arizona. > > Neil deGrasse Tyson, astrophysicist with the American > Museum of Natural > History and panelist for the Great Planet Debate commented, > "The word > 'planet' has surely outlived its usefulness. The > time has come for us to > create a fresh and sensible classification scheme from the > ground up -- > one that applies to all objects of our own solar system, > yet is flexible > enough to embrace newly discovered objects elsewhere in the > galaxy. > Other fields, such as biology, and even subfields of > astrophysics that > study stars and galaxies, have strong needs to classify > objects and have > solved this problem long ago. It's time for the > community of planetary > scientists to do the same. We should not 'agree to > disagree, we should > 'agree to converge'." > > "It was a mistake for the IAU to dictate a definition > when there is no > consensus among planetary scientists. It is also > counter-productive to > focus only on the planets in our solar system, ignoring > some 300 > exoplanets," said David Morrison of NASA Ames Research > Center. "The IAU > definition of planet should be withdrawn or ignored." > > "Historically, 'planets' are just objects that > orbit the Sun. Even > asteroids are called 'minor planets' By the IAU. > The controversy caused > by the IAU officially declaring the term to be restricted > to eight > objects in our solar system was unnecessary, but a natural > consequence > of one group of people trying to impose their views on > everyone else," > said Mark Sykes, Director of the Planetary Science > Institute, in Tucson, > Arizona. "Ultimately, over the years, the process of > science is not > guided by imprimatur and ensures that the most generally > useful > perspective will prevail." > > The debate continues. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The Planetary Science Institute is a private, nonprofit > corporation > founded in 1972 and dedicated to solar system exploration. > It is > headquartered in Tucson, Arizona. > > PSI scientists are involved in numerous NASA and > international missions, > the study of Mars and other planets, the Moon, asteroids, > comets, > interplanetary dust, impact physics, the origin of the > solar system, > extra-solar planet formation, dynamics, the rise of life, > and other > areas of research. They conduct fieldwork in North America, > Australia > and Africa. They also are actively involved in science > education and > public outreach through school programs, children's > books, popular > science books and art. > > The Institute's researchers are based in 15 states, the > United Kingdom, > Russia, Switzerland and Australia. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:40:37 -0400 > From: Darren Garrison > Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientists hope to land > spacecraft on > asteroid > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing > List) > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > http://news.scotsman.com/uk/Scientists-hope-to-land-spacecraft.4511699.jp > > Scientists hope to land spacecraft on asteroid > Published Date: 20 September 2008 > By Jenny Haworth > EUROPEAN scientists are hoping to land a spacecraft on an > asteroid to help > research into the origins of Earth. Known as Marco Polo, > the mission, run by > scientists and engineers could take place in the next ten > years. > The aim would be to bring back material from an asteroid to > learn more about how > our solar system developed. > > A small asteroid ? less than a mile across ? would be > selected near Earth. A > spacecraft would land and drill for dust and rubble. > > Sattelite manufacturers Astrium in the UK and OHB in > Germany are undertaking a > study to assess the type of spacecraft that would be needed > to carry out the > project. > > Dr Ralph Cordey from Astrium said: "We've got to > look at all elements of the > mission ? how we would design the mission, how to design > the trajectory to one > of a number of possible asteroids, how to optimise that so > we use the smallest > spacecraft, the least fuel and the smallest rocket." > > Professor Andrew Collier Cameron, an astronomer from the > University of St > Andrews, said the venture could help solve the mystery of > the origins of planets > like Earth. > > "Getting samples is very, very important," said > Prof Collier Cameron. "It gives > us a sample of primordial material left over from the time > when the solar system > was formed." > > Asteroids are lumps of debris left over from the formation > of the solar system > about 4.6 billion years ago. > > They can provide pristine material to help scientists find > out how planets could > evolve from dust particles that built up to form > gravel-like rocks. > > A final decision on whether to approve the mission will be > made by the European > Space Agency (ESA) in a few years. > > If approved, the mission would launch in about 2017. > > The mission could provide considerable challenges. If the > spacecraft does not > approach the asteroid correctly, it could be damaged or > could bounce back off > into space. > > It is expected that up 300g of dust and pebbles could be > stored in a sealed > capsule in the probe. It would release the capsule close to > Earth for a > re-entry. > > After it landed, the capsule would be opened in a clean > facility to make sure > there was no contamination of the samples. > > ESA has an exploration roadmap for the missions it wishes > to conduct in the > coming years. Marco Polo is being considered under its > Cosmic Visions programme, > and is one of a number of competing ideas in a class of > missions that could cost > in the region of 300 million (?238 million). > > Such a mission could help develop the technology needed for > the more challenging > task of landing on and leaving a planet that has a much > bigger gravitational > pull, such as Mars. > > BACKGROUND > > THE Japanese recently attempted to grab samples off the > surface of Asteroid > Itokawa. > > However, it is still not clear whether the spacecraft > managed to capture any > material. The probe is due to return to Earth in 2010. > > The Americans gathered information about Asteroid Eros with > their NEAR Shoemaker > probe, which orbited close to the asteroid to collect data > in 2000. > > They have also sent the Dawn spacecraft to rendezvous with > Asteroid Vesta in > 2011 before going on to visit Asteroid Ceres in 2015. > > Europe's Rosetta probe, which is en route to a comet, > took close-up pictures of > Asteroid Steins during a flyby earlier this month. > > Ultimately, it is possible that astronauts could visit an > asteroid. The US space > agency is currently studying how this might be done. > > > Also: > > http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/09/19/europeans-lay-out-plans-to-bring-asteroid-chunks-back-to-earth/ > > (in honor of the date, passed through here > http://www.syddware.com/cgi-bin/pirate.pl) > > Europeans Lay Ou' Plans t' Brin' Asteroid > Chunks Aft t' Earth > > Th' European Space Agency (ESA) be considerin' a > space voyage called Marco Polo, > in which a spacecraft would land on a wee asteroid, drill > into its surface t' > collect samples o' rock an' dust, an' then fly > aft t' Earth 'ere 't would drop > its sample capsule down t' th' surface. Two > satellite manufacturin' companies be > currently conductin' a feasibility study; if ESA signs > off on th' proposal, > Marco Polo could sail off into space in 2017. > > Asteroids be chunks o' debris port o'er from > th' chaotic mass that spun around > th' young Sun durin' th' formation o' > th' Solar System about 4.6 billion voyages > ago. Th' rest o' th' material coalesced into > planets [Th' Daily Mail]. > Researchers say that studyin' th' composition > o' an asteroid could give them > insight into how th' solar system formed. Th' > roughly $430 cargo holds o' voyage > would also serve as a warm-up fer a hypothetical round-trip > journey t' Mars, as > 't would enable th' development o' technology > needed fer gettin' up an' down > from a large planetary body wi' a much bigger > gravitational pull [Telegraph]. > > Marco Polo wouldna be th' first spacecraft t' > alight on an asteroid, or t' try > t' brin' aft a souvenir from one. In 2001, NASA > brought th' NEAR Shoemaker > spacecraft down fer a landin' on th' nearby > asteroid Eros, from 'ere 't > continued t' send data fer about two tides. Landin' > can be tricky, tho: In 2005, > Japan?s Hayabusa spacecraft attempted t' land briefly > on th' Itokawa asteroid > an' collect a rock sample, but malfunctions an' > communication blackouts > bedeviled th' voyage. Still, Japanese engineers > b'lieve Hayabusa collected some > dust that swirled up from th' asteroid?s surface, > an' be eagerly awaitin' th' > craft?s return t' Earth in 2010. > > While robotic rovers an' probes be havin' conducted > many noteworthy experiments > on extraterrestrial bodies, so-called sample return > missions be o' increasin' > interest t' scientists. Although in-situ measurements > provide remarkable > insights, so much more would be learnt if materials be > brought aft t' Earth > laboratories, 'ere th' full panoply o' modern > analytical technologies can be > deployed [BBC News]. ESA an' NASA be havin' also > discussed cooperatin' on a > sample return voyage t' Mars, although th' $4.5 > t' $8 billion price tag fer such > a voyage be dauntin'. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:38:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Gilmer > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : FOR SALE - MAPS Journal > April 2008 > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Message-ID: > <903418.62803.qm at web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi folks! > > I am offering for sale the following item (trying to > recover financially from the evacuation expenses of > hurricane Gustav) : > > 1) MAPS Journal - Meteoritics and Planetary Science, the > official publication of the Meteoritical Society. > Volume 43, Number 4, April 2008. - Mint condition, $25.00 > shipped to anywhere in the CONUS. > > Contents : > > a) Radial Transport in the Solar Nebula : Implications for > moderately volatile element depletions in > chondritic meteorites. > b) Evolution of the Winonaite Parent Body : Clues from > silicate material trace elements distributions > c) 182Hf - 182W Chronometry and the Early Evolution History > in the acapulcoite parent body. > d) Noble Gases in Grant and Carbo and the influence of S- > and P-rich mineral inclusions in the > 41K-40K dating system. > e) Structural Evolution of the 40km wide Araguainha impact > structure, Central Brazil. > f) Kinetic Stability of a melted iron globule during > chondrule formation. Non-rotating model. > g) Frontier Mountain Meteorite Specimens of the > acapulcoite-lodranite clan : Petrography, pairing, > and parent rock lithology of an unusual intrusive rock. > h) PDF Orientations in shocked quartz grains around the > Chicxulub crater. > i) Araki (L5) chondrite : the first meteorite find in Thar > Desert of India. > j) Experimental Impacts into chondritic targets, Part I : > Disruption of an L6 chondrite by multiple impacts. > k) The 410,000 year terrestrial age of eucrite Rio Cuarto > 001. > l) Constraints on the depth and variability of the lunar > regolith. > > ---> I also have 100-gram lots of small UNWA stones > available for $25 shipped. (CONUS only) > > ---> Zagami "Bessey Specks" - $15 (includes > gem jar and label) > > (*** PAYPAL ONLY ***) > > Canadian and Overseas sales will incur extra shipping > charges - email me for a quote. > > Thanks for looking and clear skies! > > MikeG > > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and > http://www.glassthrower.com > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > .......................................................... > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:58:18 -0600 > From: "Bob Loeffler" > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the denver show (PHOTOS!) > To: > Message-ID: > <20080920015838.CE34C10543 at mailwash5.pair.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Doug, > > Yes, I think that was Matt Morgan's big Johnstown in > one of the showcases. > > Speaking of which... We now have photos posted on the > COMETS website! > Photos were taken by Ron Pearson and are of the Friday > night auction, > Saturday night dinner and the COMETS two showcases at the > main Denver Show. > You can see the photos at: > > http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/gallery/2008show/2008show.htm > > Click on the thumbnail images to see larger photos. > > Regards, > > Bob Loeffler > COMETS > Colorado Meteorite Society > > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On > Behalf Of > mexicodoug at aim.com > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:36 PM > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the denver show > > Hi Steve and friends from Denver. > > Steve, your really got to come next year. The local Denver > meteorite > listmembers and Crado meteorite club hosts organized a > super Mexican > buffet dinner last night, and it was laid back and > enjoyable (hopefully > I can go go to a meteorite even one of these days that is > not Mexican > food since . A nice complement to Tucson. In the main > fossil center > there was a superb exhibit of, I'm betting of around > 50% of all > Colorado meteorites. Museum specimens just about every one > of them. I > think it fit in very well with the theme of the show casing > of Colorado > minerals and even a hands on gold panning display that was > a real > family event. Several dealers were here, and I enjoyed > chatting with a > very educational and professional set up that Fred Hall and > his > children had.. > > Otherwise, the deals weren't anything to write home > about as Mike > alrady mentioned. On second thought, there were deals if > you looked > hard enough. Hans was dealing with a couple of new items > and Blaine > had a bunch of new items, for example. The auction was > nice, I wanted > to bid on Claxton, but I couldn't find my card on time, > so someone got > a deal. > > I had the pleasure of meeting Art Ehlmann who kindly placed > a few TCU > specimens in the auction, and had some very interesting > stories to > relate regarding Nininger - Monnig correspondence and the > like from > years backs. Larr Sloan and Larry Johnson, too. Anne > Black and the > Jensens were both very enthusiastic as always and pleasant. > Sorry I > missede Matt Morgan. (I wonder if it was his piece of > Johnstown in the > Colorado meteorite exhibit Must have been a 100 gram half > stone or so > with the most beautiful, fresh matrix of the show for me. > > There are many people in Denver that are not hard core > meteorite folk > that sort of get pulled into it. There just isn't that > tense > deal-or-die attitude I sometimes see in Tucson. Overall a > great small, > short, and sweet show set in the foot of snow capped > mountains. Thanks > to all who made this possible. I just hope the dealers > broke even as > the traffic seemed light to me, but hey, it was my first > tiime visiting > this enjoyable show. > > Comet Shop had some great deals, otherwise Sikhote-Alins > just keep > drifting upwards in prices for all types and flight marked > pieces were > rare which uite frankly is scary. Or maybe the early birds > got the > worms; I came just for the weekend... > > Hope that helps... > > Best wuishes, > Doug > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > End of Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 59, Issue 25 > ********************************************** From cmb62 at columbus.rr.com Sat Sep 20 23:04:25 2008 From: cmb62 at columbus.rr.com (Charley) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:04:25 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Extinction-level Asteroid Impact Simulation Video (Michael Gilmer) References: Message-ID: Hi Michael & List, Here is a longer version of the clip with Japanese sub-titles and different music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYgEwXWilUc And R.I.P. Rick Wright who wrote the music for Michael's English language version (Pink Floyd's "The Great Gig In The Sky"). Best regards, Charley "Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants !" Hannibal > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:05:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Gilmer > Subject: [meteorite-list] Extinction-level Asteroid Impact Simulation > Video > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Message-ID: <743902.97280.qm at web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Hi List! > > My apologies if this has been posted previously. > > http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2008/09/09 > > It's a video showing a simulation of a 500km asteroid striking Earth. > > Enjoy! > > MikeG > > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and > http://www.glassthrower.com > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > .......................................................... From meteorhound at yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 00:08:19 2008 From: meteorhound at yahoo.com (Patricia Harris) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Extinction-level Asteroid Impact Simulation Video (Michael Gilmer) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <501535.55768.qm@web59614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Also here http://www.meteorman.org/The_end.htm --- On Sun, 9/21/08, Charley wrote: > From: Charley > Subject: [meteorite-list] Extinction-level Asteroid Impact Simulation Video (Michael Gilmer) > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 3:04 AM > Hi Michael & List, > > Here is a longer version of the clip with Japanese > sub-titles and different > music. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYgEwXWilUc > > And R.I.P. Rick Wright who wrote the music for > Michael's English language > version (Pink Floyd's "The Great Gig In The > Sky"). > > Best regards, > > Charley > > "Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's > try elephants !" > > Hannibal > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:05:48 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Michael Gilmer > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Extinction-level Asteroid > Impact Simulation > > Video > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Message-ID: > <743902.97280.qm at web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > > Hi List! > > > > My apologies if this has been posted previously. > > > > http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2008/09/09 > > > > It's a video showing a simulation of a 500km > asteroid striking Earth. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > MikeG > > > > > ......................................................... > > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) > > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. > > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and > > http://www.glassthrower.com > > MySpace - > http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > > > .......................................................... > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From marsrox at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 13:37:58 2008 From: marsrox at gmail.com (Kevin Kichinka) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:37:58 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Look for an Important Announcement from Marsrox..... Message-ID: <5bb98d570809211037x588d1dfcxdddb8854e7cef75e@mail.gmail.com> TEST From mikewren at gilanet.com Sun Sep 21 13:44:24 2008 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:44:24 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:LOOK SEE, Check out this slice of ODESSA, Texas. Pretty Cool! Message-ID: <200809211146210.SM00624@yourfsyly0jtwn> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200254400912 Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com Sun Sep 21 14:04:54 2008 From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:04:54 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Mineral migration pattern in NWA 2977 lunar fleck of iron Message-ID: Hi list, This is not just a plug to look at my micrographs of NWA 2977 Lunar. I have noted a pattern (in some small iron flecks) that looks like a small version of Widmanstatten Pattern or at least some kind of mineral migration pattern. This is not in all meteorite iron. I note it rather infrequently. I am speaking about iron in stone meteorites, not iron meteorites! These patterns are quite small as the magnification is often approaching 2000X. Revealing this pattern requires a high polish (I use a 1/4 micron diamond slurry) and reflected cross polarized light. Recently, in a NWA 2977 lunar gabbro thin section I spotted an iron fleck with this pattern. This was a first for me in a Lunar. Not the first iron fleck in a Lunar, but the first with a pattern. What is the consensus? Is it a caused by a process similar to what creates Widmanstatten? I have had it dismissed as a shock structure but I don't buy into that idea. It is my idea that heating of the iron removes evidence of the pattern just as occurs with Widmanstatten and that is why it is rather rare. This September Meteorite Times has images of this NWA 2977 iron. http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite_frame.htm In the menu to the left click on Micro Visions. Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Tom Phillips **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From meteoritemall at yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 14:43:40 2008 From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Glorieta Mountain pallasite and Siderites for sale CHEAP! Message-ID: <838753.72299.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> These are the last 4 Glorieta meteoirites that I have for sale. Hurry! Starting at only $8 per gram up to $12 per garm for a pallasite. See here http://www.mr-meteorite.com/stonyironmeteorites.htm Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v From meteorhound at yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 17:26:58 2008 From: meteorhound at yahoo.com (Patricia Harris) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] People of the Month - AUGUST- I want to share Message-ID: <125906.8017.qm@web59609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello List, I want to share with everyone my story of how I got involved with meteorites and what meteorites mean to me. http://www.meteorman.org/Meteorite Times Tim Heitz.pdf Sincerely, Tim Heitz MIDWEST METEORITES - http://www.meteorman.org/ From meteorhound at yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 17:34:13 2008 From: meteorhound at yahoo.com (Patricia Harris) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] People of the Month - AUGUST- link works here Message-ID: <219426.64056.qm@web59616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Sorry for the double post - THIS LINK WORKS http://www.meteorman.org/Meteorite_Times_Tim_Heitz.pdf --- On Sun, 9/21/08, Patricia Harris wrote: > From: Patricia Harris > Subject: [meteorite-list] People of the Month - AUGUST- I want to share > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 9:26 PM > Hello List, > > I want to share with everyone my story of how I got > involved with meteorites and what meteorites mean to me. > > http://www.meteorman.org/Meteorite Times Tim Heitz.pdf > > > Sincerely, > Tim Heitz > > MIDWEST METEORITES - http://www.meteorman.org/ > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From marsrox at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 18:04:31 2008 From: marsrox at gmail.com (Kevin Kichinka) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:04:31 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Global Meteorite Price Report (2008) - Available Now! (ad) Message-ID: <5bb98d570809211504r5d5c1f44se97acfaccd1c006@mail.gmail.com> Dear List Members: Every year since 1995 I have prepared a report to estimate the value of each meteorite in my collection. This is done by painstakingly visiting every legitimate dealer website. The results of these surveys have become a true "snapshot" of each year's market prices. Last year, I realized that this type of information might interest other collectors and dealers. After adding value by identifying and interpreting price trends, I shared the data by selling it inexpensively on the Internet. The 2007 "Global Meteorite Price Report" was limited to the eight-five meteorites within my collection, but was instantly popular and the feedback I received was very supportive. This year, to better serve the meteorite community I have expanded the report to include many other popular meteorites beyond those held in my personal collection. There are now 121 different meteorites (plus a few of their permutations). I would have included more, but at least one hundred historic or well-known meteorites that were on my search list are not currently being offered for sale ? rare birds indeed. This fourteen-page document contains three years worth of price data, July, 2005, February, 2007 and September, 2008, so that price trends among the meteorites you own can be identified. Actually, I do it for you. My methodology is explained, and following the price list comparisons, there is my "State of the Market Report" with "Market News", "Impact of Dealer Competition", "Individual Meteorites of Note" and I introduce a new concept to meteorites called "Tiered Pricing." Breaking up the prose are many color photos of meteorites and related items never or rarely seen before and select meteorite microscopy works by the vanguard in this field, Tom Phillips. But there's more. Did you ever wonder if you shared first names with a meteorite? As a fun addition, I have included a two-page list of meteorite names compiled from Monica Grady's latest version of "The Catalogue of Meteorites" that are also "people names". Anyone named Mike in the audience? You have a meteorite. (Alas, no chondrites named "Kevin.") Anyone owning my book (see www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com) that enjoys my writing style will want this report. Anyone trying to understand the effects of the world's slowing economy on their collection's value will want this report. Any dealer wondering how his prices stack up against the competition will want this report. The price is $11 payable on PAYPAL by visiting MARSROX at gmail.com The lucky eleventh dollar will be used to enhance my charitable donation of astronomy books to the Planetarium Dr. Max Schreier in La Paz, Bolivia, in support of their large meteorite collection donated by Blaine Reed. Upon receipt of your funds, "The Global Meteorite Price Report" - 2008 and the "Meteorite/People Names" will be transmitted within 24 hours in an email as attached Adobe pdf docs. They're highly "printer friendly" and you will want to keep them among your meteorite files. I look forward to sharing this information. You will enjoy the journey. Thank you. Kevin Kichinka MARSROX at gmail.com www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com Sun Sep 21 18:43:28 2008 From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:43:28 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted - A few Murchison Crumbs Message-ID: <00a201c91c3b$77bbbbd0$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe> Hello all Just need a few crumbs of Murchison, cuttings are fine. I do not want anything nice, it just has to be Murch. Please get back to me if you can help, Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com ------------------ We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 From bobholmes at cox.net Sun Sep 21 21:43:54 2008 From: bobholmes at cox.net (Bob Holmes) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:43:54 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] test Message-ID: From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com Sun Sep 21 22:02:08 2008 From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:02:08 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Global Meteorite Price Report (2008) - Available Now! (ad) Message-ID: I just read Kevin's report. It is well worth the small price. Very informative. I suggest you check it out! Tom Phillips In a message dated 9/21/2008 4:04:52 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, marsrox at gmail.com writes: Dear List Members: Every year since 1995 I have prepared a report to estimate the value of each meteorite in my collection. This is done by painstakingly visiting every legitimate dealer website. The results of these surveys have become a true "snapshot" of each year's market prices. Last year, I realized that this type of information might interest other collectors and dealers. After adding value by identifying and interpreting price trends, I shared the data by selling it inexpensively on the Internet. The 2007 "Global Meteorite Price Report" was limited to the eight-five meteorites within my collection, but was instantly popular and the feedback I received was very supportive. This year, to better serve the meteorite community I have expanded the report to include many other popular meteorites beyond those held in my personal collection. There are now 121 different meteorites (plus a few of their permutations). I would have included more, but at least one hundred historic or well-known meteorites that were on my search list are not currently being offered for sale ? rare birds indeed. This fourteen-page document contains three years worth of price data, July, 2005, February, 2007 and September, 2008, so that price trends among the meteorites you own can be identified. Actually, I do it for you. My methodology is explained, and following the price list comparisons, there is my "State of the Market Report" with "Market News", "Impact of Dealer Competition", "Individual Meteorites of Note" and I introduce a new concept to meteorites called "Tiered Pricing." Breaking up the prose are many color photos of meteorites and related items never or rarely seen before and select meteorite microscopy works by the vanguard in this field, Tom Phillips. But there's more. Did you ever wonder if you shared first names with a meteorite? As a fun addition, I have included a two-page list of meteorite names compiled from Monica Grady's latest version of "The Catalogue of Meteorites" that are also "people names". Anyone named Mike in the audience? You have a meteorite. (Alas, no chondrites named "Kevin.") Anyone owning my book (see www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com) that enjoys my writing style will want this report. Anyone trying to understand the effects of the world's slowing economy on their collection's value will want this report. Any dealer wondering how his prices stack up against the competition will want this report. The price is $11 payable on PAYPAL by visiting MARSROX at gmail.com The lucky eleventh dollar will be used to enhance my charitable donation of astronomy books to the Planetarium Dr. Max Schreier in La Paz, Bolivia, in support of their large meteorite collection donated by Blaine Reed. Upon receipt of your funds, "The Global Meteorite Price Report" - 2008 and the "Meteorite/People Names" will be transmitted within 24 hours in an email as attached Adobe pdf docs. They're highly "printer friendly" and you will want to keep them among your meteorite files. I look forward to sharing this information. You will enjoy the journey. Thank you. Kevin Kichinka MARSROX at gmail.com www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From sikhote at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 00:50:42 2008 From: sikhote at gmail.com (Ivan Kutyrev) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:50:42 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Smallest Seymchan individual with olivine for sale AD Message-ID: <70b201be0809212150x21968938ge07968a0ffc62aca@mail.gmail.com> Here is a small (only 7500 gram) Seymchan pallasite individual for sale. It was cut to 2 end pieces, one full slice and three smaller thin slices. Pictures available here http://seymchan-individual.blogspot.com/ Best offers welcome. Email any questions to sikhote at gmail.com please. Thanks, Ivan From zneutronz at aol.com Mon Sep 22 09:05:36 2008 From: zneutronz at aol.com (zneutronz at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:05:36 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites for sale ! Message-ID: <8CAEACB0A2A561C-1128-8A0@mblk-d25.sysops.aol.com> as there was a mistake in details i have to inform you : NWA4925 has 1.956g, not 2.956g still avaiable : - NWA4925, shergottite, 1.956g, partslice - Dhofar 310, lunar, 0.352g - NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut anybody interested ???????????????????? Chiang Khan 63.4g, oriented 100% crust, individual is SOLD Chiang Khan 27.5g is SOLD see these specimens here http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/ thanks, oliver Dear meteorite friends! Once again I need to tell you about a tragedy here in Thailand and I hope that you can help us out. A short time ago, my long-time friend and companion of many Chiang Khan expeditions drowned in the Mekhong river. Mr Tim has left his wife and several children behind, who have now lost the primary breadwinner. Friends of Mr Tim's informed me about the financial crises that the family is in. Mr Tim was a loyal and honest travel companion on many of my expeditions, and we had become good friends. For this reason my wife and I have tried to help Mr Tim's wife and family and have financed a small grocery store. This should help support the family. The total sum we gave towards the store was around Thai Baht 470,000, or around Euro 9,500. We have scrounged up2 0this sum ourselves, even our 4-year- old daughter had to plunder her bank account. To recoup this money, which20we now miss dearly, I have decided to sell the last few larger specimens in my collection. Amongst these pieces are two larger Chian Kahn specimens (all the remaining pieces are under 5g). A museum specimen, very unusual, 27.5g. For this exceptional piece I am asking 90 Euro/g. The second item is a 100% crusted, beautifully oriented Chiang Kahn, 63.4g. Here I am asking for 45 Euro/g. Also Offered are the following pieces: * NWA4925, shergottite, 1.956g, partslice * Dhofar 310, lunar, 0.352g * NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut Please see these specimens here: http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/ As I have mentioned, we hope to achieve Euro 9,500 with these sales. We trust that you will support us in light of the circumstances of this sale. Thank you so much for your time and consideration, Regards , Oliver IMCA#6131 Oliver Alge Calle Las Artes, Loc. 2 Res. Costa Caleta 38679 La Caleta, Tenerife Islas Canarias, Espa?a phone : 0034-922 711 831 email : ZneutronZ at aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL eMail auf Ihrem Handy! Ab sofort k?nnen Sie auch unterwegs Ihre AOL email abrufen. Registrieren Sie sich jetzt kostenlos. From cynapse at charter.net Mon Sep 22 11:21:48 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:21:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Gold in them thair asteroids In-Reply-To: <00a201c91c3b$77bbbbd0$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe> References: <00a201c91c3b$77bbbbd0$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe> Message-ID: <2udfd4p8oelansf4nahh6p805nt8dhbm74@4ax.com> http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=EN_NEWS&ACTION=D&SESSION=&RCN=29890 Meteorites could be source of world's precious metals, study finds Rare and precious metals such as platinum, gold and iridium could have been brought to Earth by iron meteorites, according to new research by Dr Gerhard Schmidt of the University of Mainz in Germany. Dr Mainz is due to present his results at the European Planetary Science Congress (EPSC), which is taking place in M?nster, Germany, from 21 to 26 September. Gold, platinum, iridium, palladium and rhodium are examples of Highly Siderophile Elements (HSEs), metals that tend to bond with solid or molten metallic iron. When the Earth was still forming, it heated up, and the HSEs and other heavy elements were stripped from the surface of the young planet into its iron- and nickel-rich core. This raises the question of where the HSEs found in the crust came from. One theory is that meteorite impacts delivered these elements to the earth's surface after the core had formed. Over the course of 12 years, Dr Schmidt and his colleagues analysed HSE concentrations at a number of meteorite impact sites and in the earth's crust and mantle at other sites. They also studied samples from the surfaces of the moon as well as Martian meteorites. 'A key issue for understanding the origin of planets is the knowledge of the abundances of HSE in the crust and mantle of the Earth, Mars and Moon,' explained Dr Schmidt. 'We have found remarkably uniform abundance distributions of HSE in our samples of the Earth's upper crust. A comparison of these HSE values with meteorites strongly suggests that they have a cosmochemical source.' Dr Schmidt's analyses revealed that the HSE levels found in the earth's crust are much higher than those found in stony meteorites called chondrites, which were formed form the material present in the early solar system. However, the HSE ratios found are very close to those found in iron or stony-iron meteorites. These larger asteroids generated enough internal heat to form a molten metal core. Dr Schmidt has calculated that around 160 metallic asteroids of approximately 20 km in diameter would be enough to provide the levels of HSEs found in the earth's crust today. Furthermore, it seems that a similar process could have been taking place on Mars. 'The first meteorite to be found on Mars was an iron meteorite, discovered by the Opportunity rover in January 2005,' commented Dr Schmidt. 'Analysis of the Nahkla, Shergotty and Zagami Martian meteorites strongly supports a genetic link with certain iron meteorites.' The EPSC is organised by the EU-funded Europlanet initiative, which aims to foster cooperation in European planetary science research, enhance Europe's competitiveness in the field, promote European participation in major planetary exploration missions and improve public understanding of planetary science. Europlanet is financed under the 'Research infrastructures' Activity area of the Sixth Framework Programme (FP6). From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Sep 22 11:59:30 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Images Discarded Heat Shield Message-ID: <200809221559.IAA29297@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/images.php?fileID=16106 Crumpled Heat Shield 2008-09-17 The Phoenix Mars Lander's Surface Stereo Imager took this image of the spacecraft's crumpled heat shield on Sept. 16, 2008, the 111th Martian day of the mission. The 2-1/2 meter (about 8-1/2 feet) heat shield landed southeast of Phoenix, about halfway between the spacecraft and its backshell/parachute. The backshell/parachute touched ground 300 meters (1,000 ft) to the south of the lander. The dark area to the right of the heat shield is the "bounce mark" it made on impact with the Red Planet. This image is the highest-resolution image that will likely be taken by the lander, and is part of the 1,500-image "Happily Ever After" panorama. The Phoenix mission is led by the University of Arizona, Tucson, on behalf of NASA. Project management of the mission is led by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Spacecraft development is by Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver. NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona/ Texas A&M Univeristy From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Sep 22 16:47:30 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA's Mars Rover To Head Toward Bigger Crater Message-ID: <200809222047.NAA25668@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Sept. 22, 2008 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov Guy Webster Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-6278 guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov RELEASE: 08-240 NASA'S MARS ROVER TO HEAD TOWARD BIGGER CRATER PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Rover Opportunity is setting its sights on a crater more than 20 times larger than its home for the past two years. To reach the crater the rover team calls Endeavour, Opportunity would need to drive approximately 7 miles to the southeast, matching the total distance it has traveled since landing on Mars in early 2004. The rover climbed out of Victoria Crater earlier this month. "We may not get there, but it is scientifically the right direction to go anyway," said Steve Squyres of Cornell University, principal investigator for the science instruments on Opportunity and its twin rover, Spirit. "This crater is staggeringly large compared to anything we've seen before." Getting there would yield a look inside a bowl 13.7 miles across. Scientists expect to see a much deeper stack of rock layers than those examined by Opportunity in Victoria Crater. "I would love to see that view from the rim," Squyres said. "But even if we never get there, as we move southward we expect to be getting to younger and younger layers of rock on the surface. Also, there are large craters to the south that we think are sources of cobbles that we want to examine out on the plain. Some of the cobbles are samples of layers deeper than Opportunity will ever see, and we expect to find more cobbles as we head toward the south." Opportunity will have to pick up the pace to get there. The rover team estimates Opportunity may be able to travel about 110 yards each day it is driven toward the Endeavour crater. Even at that pace, the journey could take two years. "This is a bolder, more aggressive objective than we have had before," said John Callas, the project manager for both Mars rovers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "It's tremendously exciting. It's new science. It's the next great challenge for these robotic explorers." Opportunity, like Spirit, is well past its expected lifetime on Mars, and might not keep working long enough to reach the crater. However, two new resources not available during the 4-mile drive toward Victoria Crater in 2005 and 2006 are expected to aid in this new trek. One is imaging from orbit of details smaller than the rover itself, using the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, which arrived at the Red Planet in 2006. "HiRISE allows us to identify drive paths and potential hazards on the scale of the rover along the route," Callas said. "This is a great example of how different parts of NASA's Mars Exploration Program reinforce each other." Other advantages come from a new version of flight software uplinked to Opportunity and Spirit in 2006, boosting their ability to autonomously choose routes and avoid hazards such as sand dunes. During its first year on Mars, Opportunity found geological evidence that the area where it landed had surface and underground water in the distant past. The rover's explorations since have added information about how that environment changed over time. Finding rock layers above or below the layers already examined adds windows into later or earlier periods of time. NASA's JPL built and manage the rovers and the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. For images and information about Spirit and Opportunity, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/rovers -end- From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 16:53:26 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) SMALL CHERGACH'S FORSALE Message-ID: <553409.77041.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list.I have 7 small chergach's forsale which are all 100% black crusted.I want $15 each.They range from 4.3 grams to 12 grams.Let me know.Shipping is on me!.Let me know offlist. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Sep 22 17:11:36 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA's Phoenix Lander Might Peek Under a Rock Message-ID: <200809222111.OAA29982@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-177 NASA's Phoenix Lander Might Peek Under a Rock Jet Propulsion Laboratory September 22, 2008 TUCSON, Ariz. -- If the robotic arm on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander can nudge a rock aside today, scientists on the Phoenix team would like to see what's underneath. Engineers who develop commands for the robotic arm have prepared a plan to try displacing a rock on the north side of the lander. This rock, roughly the size and shape of a VHS videotape, is informally named "Headless." "We don't know whether we can do this until we try," said Ashitey Trebi Ollennu, a robotics engineer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "The idea is to move the rock with minimum disturbance to the surface beneath it. You have to get under it enough to lift it as you push it and it doesn't just slip off the scoop." The lander receives commands for the whole day in the morning, so there's no way to adjust in mid-move if the rock starts slipping. Phoenix took stereo-pair images of Headless to provide a detailed three-dimensional map of it for planning the arm's motions. On Saturday, Sept. 20, the arm enlarged a trench close to Headless. Commands sent to Phoenix Sunday evening, Sept. 21, included a sequence of arm motions for today, intended to slide the rock into the trench. Moving rocks is not among the many tasks Phoenix's robotic arm was designed to do. If the technique works, the move would expose enough area for digging into the soil that had been beneath Headless. "The appeal of studying what's underneath is so strong we have to give this a try," said Michael Mellon, a Phoenix science team member at the University of Colorado, Boulder. The scientific motive is related to a hard, icy layer found beneath the surface in trenches that the robotic arm has dug near the lander. Excavating down to that hard layer underneath a rock might provide clues about processes affecting the ice. "The rocks are darker than the material around them, and they hold heat," Mellon said. "In theory, the ice table should deflect downward under each rock. If we checked and saw this deflection, that would be evidence the ice is probably in equilibrium with the water vapor in the atmosphere." An alternative possibility, if the icy layer were found closer to the surface under a rock, could by the rock collecting moisture from the atmosphere, with the moisture becoming part of the icy layer. The Phoenix mission is led by Smith at the University of Arizona with project management at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., and development partnership at Lockheed Martin in Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus in Denmark; the Max Planck Institute in Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. For more about Phoenix, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix or http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726 NASA Headquarters, Washington dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov Sara Hammond 520-626-1974 University of Arizona, Tucson shammond at lpl.arizona.edu 2008-177 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Sep 22 17:39:41 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Lucky Break Allowed Dinosarus To Rule Earth: Study Message-ID: <200809222139.OAA02775@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN1128337120080911 Lucky break allowed dinosaurs to rule Earth: study By Will Dunham Reuters September 11, 2008 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Thanks to a big stroke of luck 200 million years ago, dinosaurs beat out a fearsome group of creatures competing for the right to rule the Earth, scientists said on Thursday. Dinosaurs appeared about 230 million years ago, during the Triassic Period, and competed for 30 million years with a group of reptiles called crurotarsans, cousins of today's crocodiles that grew to huge sizes and looked a lot like dinosaurs. Many scientists believed dinosaurs were simply superior to crurotarsans and fared better because the earliest dinosaurs walked on two legs, not four, and because they may have been warm-blooded. But scientists led by Steve Brusatte of Columbia University and American Museum of Natural History in New York conducted an extensive review of fossils and found that the two groups were evolving at roughly the same pace and the crurotarsans actually had a larger range of body types, diets and lifestyles. The dinosaurs won out, Brusatte concluded, because some type of planetary calamity 200 million years ago -- dramatic climate change or maybe a large meteorite impact -- nearly wiped out the crurotarsans while sparing the dinosaurs. "The fundamental question is why were the dinosaurs able to become so dominant," Brusatte, whose study is in the journal Science, said in a telephone interview. "Evolution on a big scale oftentimes is a matter of luck." The event that toppled the crurotarsans 200 million years ago enabled dinosaurs to become the reigning form of land animals for a long time, until their luck ran out too. An asteroid struck Earth 65 million years ago and doomed the dinosaurs. The crurotarsans were a fabulous bunch of monsters. Some called phytosaurs looked and lived a lot like today's crocodiles, staying submerged in rivers or lakes until attacking a victim. The North American phytosaur Smilosuchus grew to 39 feet long. Others called rauisuchians were land predators with four powerful legs, massive skulls and flesh-tearing teeth. South America's Fasolasuchus grew to 33 feet long. Both were far more impressive than the typical dinosaur predator of the time like Coelophysis, a relatively lightly built, two-legged hunter about 10 feet long. The dinosaur plant eaters of the time like Plateosaurus were getting big, but were less varied than the plant-eating crurotarsans such as the heavily armored aetosaurs. "If we were standing around in the late Triassic period 210 million years ago and were asked what group is going to go on and take over the world, I think a reasonable gambler would say the crurotarsans. It's not that the dinosaurs weren't doing well. The crurotarsans were doing more," Brusatte said. From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 19:07:02 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) UPDATE Message-ID: <837388.8124.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi again list.The 12 gram chergach is sold.But I have in order of size,6.1,6.0,5.6,4.3,4.0 and 3.5.I also have 2 very oriented gao individuals forsale as well.They are super pieces.They weigh 5.3 and 4.3 grams.I want $5 per gram for these beauty's.I have pics of all of them. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From meteoritefinder at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 19:23:59 2008 From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:23:59 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone else with AOL having problems posting to the list In-Reply-To: <8CAEB160201BFCC-1DE4-1BEF@WEBMAIL-DC11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAEB160201BFCC-1DE4-1BEF@WEBMAIL-DC11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <468bf6050809221623s12e9bcbeic12ff0ead986fbf2@mail.gmail.com> This is from Sonny he is have trouble getting through to the list. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:02 PM Subject: Anyone else with AOL having problems posting to the list To: meteoritefinder at gmail.com Hi , Anyone having problems posting to the list with AOL? I have sent a couple test and nothing. Thanks, Sonny ________________________________ Find phone numbers fast with the New AOL Yellow Pages! -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 From yellowengine at earthlink.net Mon Sep 22 19:38:19 2008 From: yellowengine at earthlink.net (RJP) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:38:19 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Need: LL6 Fragment (Bensour, Benguerir, ect) Message-ID: <15105446.1222126700294.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Good Evening List, I am in need of a fresh fragment (~100-200g) from LL6 OC (Bensour, Benguerir, ect) Please let me know what you have to offer, along with an asking price. Thanks! Cheers, Ryan Pawelski From wahlperry at aol.com Mon Sep 22 20:53:21 2008 From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:53:21 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] test Message-ID: <8CAEB2DE9400346-131C-242C@FWM-M03.sysops.aol.com> From wahlperry at aol.com Mon Sep 22 21:50:05 2008 From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:50:05 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale Ad U.S.A's only R 3-6 Chondrite Blue Eagle Well NV , Franconia 449 gram complete stone. Message-ID: <8CAEB35D628987F-131C-276F@FWM-M03.sysops.aol.com> Hi All, I have 2 pieces of Blue Eagle R 3-6 Chondrite for sale. 1- 1.5 gram fragment , 1 - 5.1 gram piece .Email off list for pictures and price per gram. 1- 449 gram Franconia complete stone . $ 1.25 per gram Link http://www.nevadameteorites.com/id5.htm Thanks, Sonny www.NevadaMeteorites.com From wahlperry at aol.com Mon Sep 22 21:58:30 2008 From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:58:30 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Impact Crater North of Alamo Nevada ! Video Message-ID: <8CAEB3702EBFC01-131C-27F4@FWM-M03.sysops.aol.com> Hi List, I recently had a chance to check out a possible meteorite impact crater North of Alamo, Nevada. In the 1940's a large fireball was witnessed by residents of the area. The crater was found the following day on a mountainside. Anyone knowing my interest in meteorites understands I will take off on a moments notice to spend the day in the field hunting for meteorites. I would say 98 percent of the time all I come home with is a sunburn and an empty lunch bag. I decided to check the crater out and spend a day looking for meteorites. Sonny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6R6bxtdPfQ From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 23 00:03:56 2008 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:03:56 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone else with AOL having problems posting to the list In-Reply-To: <468bf6050809221623s12e9bcbeic12ff0ead986fbf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CAEB160201BFCC-1DE4-1BEF@WEBMAIL-DC11.sysops.aol.com> <468bf6050809221623s12e9bcbeic12ff0ead986fbf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Sonny, I don't have AOL, but in the past the problem with others has been trying to post using "rich text", as opposed to "plain text". (I thought AOL was extinct!) Failing that, open a free account at hotmail or gmail. Cheers, Pete > Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:23:59 -0700 > From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone else with AOL having problems posting to the list > > This is from Sonny he is have trouble getting through to the list. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:02 PM > Subject: Anyone else with AOL having problems posting to the list > To: meteoritefinder at gmail.com > > > Hi , > > Anyone having problems posting to the list with AOL? I have sent a > couple test and nothing. > > Thanks, > Sonny > ________________________________ > Find phone numbers fast with the New AOL Yellow Pages! > > > -- > Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 > www.meteoritefinder.com > 928-753-6825 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 09:24:55 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) UPDATES 9-23-08 Message-ID: <361349.61356.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Good morning list.I apologize for this 3rd email about the offerings from yesterday.I lost a couple of names who were interested in some of chergach's.I have 5 left,6.0,5.6,4.3.4.0,and 3.5 gram complete stones.I also have the 2 really outstanding gao oriented pieces of 5.3 and 4.3 grams for $5 a gram.But one last thing,I have a 1 kilo canyon diablo,it has been cleaned for $250 plus shipping on this piece only.No more on these items.Thanks again and off list please.I will pay shipping on the smaller items only. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From drtanuki at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 15:22:48 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] WARNING: Gilf al-Kebir anyone missing that you know OF? Message-ID: <587044.89128.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sorry for the repost but first post was not in plain text. Anyone headed to this area for Libyan desert glass or other research should beware. ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7629171.stm From rlenssen at planet.nl Tue Sep 23 15:54:26 2008 From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:54:26 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: complete set of Meteorite Magazine Message-ID: <2B1FC43B6DCA435D96F8816BEA7BF195@EIGENAARNJEQJY> Dear List, In order to raise some serious money, to buy a special meteorite specimen, I decided to offer my complete set of Meteorite Magazine for sale. I could do this by ebay, but decided to offer it to you List members first. The set contains all 55 magazines ever published. From the first one in Feb. 1995, upto and including the latest one: Volume 14 No. 3 in 2008. I just checked the magazines, and they are all in very good condition, except for a sellotape repaired tear in the cover of Feb. 1999, and some damage by water to May 2006 (a little crumpled, but perfectly readable). If you are interested, please make me an off-List offer I cannot resist. The set will not go cheap, and will go to the highest reasonable offer. Buyer pays actual shipping costs (approx. 10kg). Grap this change to complete your set now you can! Best Regards, Rob Lenssen The Netherlands From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 16:12:11 2008 From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Zaragoza meteorite Message-ID: <794704.19604.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I have received confirmation that the Zaragoza meteorite was re-submitted to the NOMCON for approval. This meteorite has been under study for nearly two years. It was kicked back last year because of above normal Ge numbers, but they have now been confirmed as correct. I expect this will likely be the final word on the Zaragoza iron meteorite. To celebrate, I have many partslices and a large complete slice weighing 3,352 grams for sale. If you are interested in this museum-quality slice, email me off-list. The mass have been completely cut up, and there are only about 4 other slices which will be available at a much later date, as all that remains is a thick slice which will be divided into 4 complete slices. I don't expect that for many more months. Zaragoza Location ~ 41? 39? N 0? 52? E Zaragoza, Spain Find: 1950?s Iron Meteorite (IVA-Anomalous, Fine Octahedrite (Of)) History: The meteorite was purchased by Michael Farmer and Jim Strope in Paris, France from the widow of a mineral collector who purchased the meteorite in the 1950?s in Zaragoza, Spain. Physical characteristics: The meteorite was an individual with a total mass of 162 kilograms. The surface of the meteorite is regmaglypted, weathered, and reddish-brown. Petrography: (D. Schrader, UAz) The meteorite is predominately Fe,Ni metal, with minor chromite and an unidentified Fe-Cr sulfide. The chromites are present as subhedral grains surrounded by Fe,Ni metal. The Fe-Cr sulfide is present as an elongated inclusion interspersed with Fe,Ni metal and cross-cut by Fe,Ni metal veins. One slice contains a small reddish inclusion, but not the type sample. The kamacite bandwidth is on the order of 0.2 to 0.3 mm. Mineral compositions and geochemistry: (D. Schrader, K. Domanik, and D. Hill, UAz) Kamacite (Ni = 7.02?0.93, Co = 0.34?0.04 [averages, all wt%]); high Ni Fe,Ni metal (Ni = 18.66, Co = .23 [all wt%]). A metal-sulfide inclusion contains: kamacite (Ni = 6.44?3.65, Co = 0.30?0.06, Cr = 0.16?0.12 [averages, all wt%]); an iron-chromium sulfide (Fe = 54.01?1.56, Cr = 7.58?1.45, S = 37.31?0.55, [averages, all wt%]). Bulk Composition: (D. Schrader, J. Goreva, and D. Lauretta, UAz; ICP-MS) Fe = 91.36, Ni = 7.20, Co = 0.41, S = 0.01, P = 0.03 [all wt%]; Cr = 167.3, Ge = 2.5, Ga = 2.1, Ir = 2.8, Cu = 129.5, Pt = 5.4, As = 2.6 [all ppm]; Se = 656, Mo = 6085, Os = 1789, Ru = 4468, Pd = 2990, Rh = 955, V = 251, Sb = 25, Re = 413, Mn = 493, Ag = 2353, Zn = 469 [all ppb]. The Ge content is anomalously high for IVAs. Classification: Iron Meteorite (IVA-Anomalous, Fine Octahedrite (Of)) Type specimens: A total of 160.75 g of sample are on deposit at UAz. M. Farmer holds the main mass. From rlenssen at planet.nl Tue Sep 23 17:22:41 2008 From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:22:41 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: complete set of Meteorite Magazine References: <2B1FC43B6DCA435D96F8816BEA7BF195@EIGENAARNJEQJY> Message-ID: Dear List, I hope you don't mind me bothering you again with this subject, but I'm getting a lot of the same questions, and would like to answer it this way to all at once. People are asking what I would consided a reasonable offer. Well, I think the 90's Volumes (one Volume = one year of magazines) are real collectors items, and would easily bring several hundreds of dollars per Volume (= 4 magazines in a Volume). Back Issues of the last few year are still being sold for $8 per magazine. Do your math! Thanks, Rob Lenssen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: complete set of Meteorite Magazine > Dear List, > > In order to raise some serious money, to buy a special meteorite specimen, > I decided to offer my complete set of Meteorite Magazine for sale. > I could do this by ebay, but decided to offer it to you List members > first. > > The set contains all 55 magazines ever published. From the first one in > Feb. 1995, upto and including the latest one: Volume 14 No. 3 in 2008. > > I just checked the magazines, and they are all in very good condition, > except for a sellotape repaired tear in the cover of Feb. 1999, and some > damage by water to > May 2006 (a little crumpled, but perfectly readable). > > If you are interested, please make me an off-List offer I cannot resist. > The set will not go cheap, and will go to the highest reasonable offer. > Buyer pays actual shipping costs (approx. 10kg). > > Grap this change to complete your set now you can! > Best Regards, > Rob Lenssen > The Netherlands > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Tue Sep 23 17:42:36 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 23 Sep 2008 21:42:36 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Zaragoza meteorite Message-ID: Hi Mike and List, Mike wrote: "I have received confirmation that the Zaragoza meteorite was re-submitted to the NOMCOM for approval. This meteorite has been under study for nearly two years." Zaragoza is a very interesting IVA-AN iron. I own a 14.8-gram rectangular slice with two troilite inclusions - one of them is elongated. Maybe it is one of those unidentified Fe-Cr sulfides mentioned in the write-up Mike presented. The interesting thing about Zaragoza is that even if specimens are expertly etched, which my slice definitely is, you can hardly recognize the Widmanst?tten pattern. It is there but you can only see it vaguely unless the lighting is favorable or you'll have to view it under a microscope. Maybe it's because of its high Ni content?! Such a subtle thing!!! Viva Espagna, Viva Zaragoza! Bernd From gmhupe at htn.net Tue Sep 23 18:33:17 2008 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:33:17 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Great Values - eBay Ending - AD Message-ID: <0BCCC3541ED0479A85D94D0C36D807D2@Gregor> Dear List Members, Looks like there will be some excellent deals to be had on eBay this week under my seller name, NaturesVault. I have 30 auctions ending tomorrow, most are still at just 99 cents. All auctions can be seen here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault You will find Lunar, Martian, Angrites, Brachinites and other rarities just waiting for someone to win a great value. There is even a complete slice of Muonionalusta at a steal of a deal. Thank you for the bids, and Good Luck winning the one you are after! Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault From grf2 at verizon.net Tue Sep 23 22:49:06 2008 From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:49:06 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] source Message-ID: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/PSRDsubscribe.html Jerry Flaherty From scyphocrinites at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 00:00:10 2008 From: scyphocrinites at yahoo.com (Malek Youssef) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad : Ordinary Chondrites for sale (NWA 869 L4-6) Message-ID: <104591.40537.qm@web53312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi List I have many specimens of Ordinary Chondrites that look similar to NWA 869 if interested contact me for Photos and details. Best Regards M.Youssef From michael at spacerocksinc.com Wed Sep 24 07:58:10 2008 From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 24, 2008 Message-ID: <7638929.2891222257490665.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_24_2008.html From drtanuki at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 10:09:03 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Year of Meteors [1859-60]; "The Portent (1859)" Message-ID: <481272.69727.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear List, I happened upon Whitman`s poem, Year of Meteors [1859-60], tonight. ..."Nor the comet that came unannounced out of the north flaring in heaven, Nor the strange huge meteor-procession dazzling and clear shooting over our heads, (A moment, a moment long it sail'd its balls of unearthly light over our heads, Then departed, dropt in the night, and was gone;) Of such, and fitful as they, I sing--with gleams from them would gleam and patch these chants, Your chants, O year all mottled with evil and good--year of forebodings! Year of comets and meteors transient and strange--lo! even here one equally transient and strange! As I flit through you hastily, soon to fall and be gone, what is this chant, What am I myself but one of your meteors?" [FULL TEXT BELOW] Does anyone know of which meteor (large bolide) he is speaking of. Also a reference that in 1859 December, Herman Melville wrote "The Portent (1859)? "But the streaming beard is shown (Weird John Brown), The meteor of the war." The comet was most likely Comet 1859(1)- Comet Temple1. http://deepimpact.umd.edu/science/tempel1-discoverer.html Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.meteoritesjapan.com Year of Meteors [1859-60] by Walt Whitman (1819-1892) [FULL TEXT] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Year of meteors! brooding year! I would bind in words retrospective some of your deeds and signs, I would sing your contest for the 19th Presidentiad, I would sing how an old man, tall, with white hair, mounted the scaffold in Virginia, (I was at hand, silent I stood with teeth shut close, I watch'd, I stood very near you old man when cool and indifferent, but trembling with age and your unheal'd wounds you mounted the scaffold;) I would sing in my copious song your census returns of the States, The tables of population and products, I would sing of your ships and their cargoes, The proud black ships of Manhattan arriving, some fill'd with immigrants, some from the isthmus with cargoes of gold, Songs thereof would I sing, to all that hitherward comes would welcome give, And you would I sing, fair stripling! welcome to you from me, young prince of England! (Remember you surging Manhattan's crowds as you pass'd with your cortege of nobles? There in the crowds stood I, and singled you out with attachment;) Nor forget I to sing of the wonder, the ship as she swam up my bay, Well-shaped and stately the Great Eastern swam up my bay, she was 600 feet long, Her moving swiftly surrounded by myriads of small craft I forget not to sing; Nor the comet that came unannounced out of the north flaring in heaven, Nor the strange huge meteor-procession dazzling and clear shooting over our heads, (A moment, a moment long it sail'd its balls of unearthly light over our heads, Then departed, dropt in the night, and was gone;) Of such, and fitful as they, I sing--with gleams from them would gleam and patch these chants, Your chants, O year all mottled with evil and good--year of forebodings! Year of comets and meteors transient and strange--lo! even here one equally transient and strange! As I flit through you hastily, soon to fall and be gone, what is this chant, What am I myself but one of your meteors? From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 10:58:45 2008 From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: More than 50 meteorites ending today, One cent items Message-ID: <852850.27398.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am hitting eBay pretty hard these days, as I will likely be out of the country on various trips for the rest of the year until the Tucson show. http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/ See the link above showing all of my auctions from both of my ebay usernames. I have some wonderful pieces ending this week, including one of the last Murray and Bruderheim pieces, many goodies, take a look, many are still at one cent. Michael Farmer From drtanuki at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 11:36:35 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Year of Meteors [1859-60]; "The Portent (1859)" PT2 In-Reply-To: <52D9158DCBA94FF2A5261C48E4AAFC8D@platinum> Message-ID: <488362.35949.qm@web53207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> List, Here is what I found for FALLS in the metbull search for 1859-60 in the USA. I may have missed some since am very tired. Harrison County Official Y 1859 Indiana, USA L6 680 g Bethlehem Official Y 1859 New York, USA H 13.9 g New Concord Official Y 1860 Ohio, USA L6 230 kg Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.meteoritesjapan.com www.insekijapan.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "drtanuki" > To: ; "Ken > Igarashi" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:09 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Year of Meteors [1859-60]; > "The Portent (1859)" > > > > Dear List, > > I happened upon Whitman`s poem, Year of Meteors > [1859-60], > > tonight. > > > > ..."Nor the comet that came unannounced out of > the north flaring in > > heaven, > > Nor the strange huge meteor-procession dazzling and > clear shooting > > over our heads, > > (A moment, a moment long it sail'd its balls of > unearthly light over > > our heads, > > Then departed, dropt in the night, and was gone;) > > Of such, and fitful as they, I sing--with gleams from > them would > > gleam and patch these chants, > > Your chants, O year all mottled with evil and > good--year of forebodings! > > Year of comets and meteors transient and strange--lo! > even here one > > equally transient and strange! > > As I flit through you hastily, soon to fall and be > gone, what is this > > chant, > > What am I myself but one of your meteors?" [FULL > TEXT BELOW] > > > > Does anyone know of which meteor (large bolide) he is > speaking of. > > Also a reference that in 1859 December, Herman > Melville wrote "The > > Portent (1859)? > > "But the streaming beard is shown > > (Weird John Brown), > > The meteor of the war." > > > > The comet was most likely Comet 1859(1)- Comet > Temple1. > > > http://deepimpact.umd.edu/science/tempel1-discoverer.html > > > > Thank you. > > Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > www.meteoritesjapan.com > > > > Year of Meteors [1859-60] > > by Walt Whitman > > (1819-1892) > > [FULL TEXT] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Year of meteors! brooding year! > > I would bind in words retrospective some of your deeds > and signs, > > I would sing your contest for the 19th Presidentiad, > > I would sing how an old man, tall, with white hair, > mounted the > > scaffold in Virginia, > > (I was at hand, silent I stood with teeth shut close, > I watch'd, > > I stood very near you old man when cool and > indifferent, but trembling > > with age and your unheal'd wounds you mounted the > scaffold;) > > I would sing in my copious song your census returns of > the States, > > The tables of population and products, I would sing of > your ships > > and their cargoes, > > The proud black ships of Manhattan arriving, some > fill'd with > > immigrants, some from the isthmus with cargoes of > gold, > > Songs thereof would I sing, to all that hitherward > comes would welcome > > give, > > And you would I sing, fair stripling! welcome to you > from me, young > > prince of England! > > (Remember you surging Manhattan's crowds as you > pass'd with your > > cortege of nobles? > > There in the crowds stood I, and singled you out with > attachment;) > > Nor forget I to sing of the wonder, the ship as she > swam up my bay, > > Well-shaped and stately the Great Eastern swam up my > bay, she was > > 600 feet long, > > Her moving swiftly surrounded by myriads of small > craft I forget not > > to sing; > > Nor the comet that came unannounced out of the north > flaring in heaven, > > Nor the strange huge meteor-procession dazzling and > clear shooting > > over our heads, > > (A moment, a moment long it sail'd its balls of > unearthly light over > > our heads, > > Then departed, dropt in the night, and was gone;) > > Of such, and fitful as they, I sing--with gleams from > them would > > gleam and patch these chants, > > Your chants, O year all mottled with evil and > good--year of forebodings! > > Year of comets and meteors transient and strange--lo! > even here one > > equally transient and strange! > > As I flit through you hastily, soon to fall and be > gone, what is this > > chant, > > What am I myself but one of your meteors? > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From stm at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 24 11:48:19 2008 From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:48:19 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Year of Meteors [1859-60]; "The Portent (1859)" Message-ID: <9FF8F8C0875644E795DDB22C0B7854F4@platinum> Is it possible that they were not actually speaking of a meteor/meteorite, but referencing the Wilhelm Tempel 1859 comet? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "drtanuki" > To: ; "Ken Igarashi" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:09 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Year of Meteors [1859-60]; "The Portent (1859)" > > >> Dear List, >> I happened upon Whitman`s poem, Year of Meteors [1859-60], >> tonight. >> >> ..."Nor the comet that came unannounced out of the north flaring in >> heaven, >> Nor the strange huge meteor-procession dazzling and clear shooting >> over our heads, >> (A moment, a moment long it sail'd its balls of unearthly light over >> our heads, >> Then departed, dropt in the night, and was gone;) >> Of such, and fitful as they, I sing--with gleams from them would >> gleam and patch these chants, >> Your chants, O year all mottled with evil and good--year of forebodings! >> Year of comets and meteors transient and strange--lo! even here one >> equally transient and strange! >> As I flit through you hastily, soon to fall and be gone, what is this >> chant, >> What am I myself but one of your meteors?" [FULL TEXT BELOW] >> >> Does anyone know of which meteor (large bolide) he is speaking of. >> Also a reference that in 1859 December, Herman Melville wrote "The >> Portent (1859)? >> "But the streaming beard is shown >> (Weird John Brown), >> The meteor of the war." >> >> The comet was most likely Comet 1859(1)- Comet Temple1. >> http://deepimpact.umd.edu/science/tempel1-discoverer.html >> >> Thank you. >> Dirk Ross...Tokyo >> www.meteoritesjapan.com >> >> Year of Meteors [1859-60] >> by Walt Whitman >> (1819-1892) >> [FULL TEXT] >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Year of meteors! brooding year! >> I would bind in words retrospective some of your deeds and signs, >> I would sing your contest for the 19th Presidentiad, >> I would sing how an old man, tall, with white hair, mounted the >> scaffold in Virginia, >> (I was at hand, silent I stood with teeth shut close, I watch'd, >> I stood very near you old man when cool and indifferent, but trembling >> with age and your unheal'd wounds you mounted the scaffold;) >> I would sing in my copious song your census returns of the States, >> The tables of population and products, I would sing of your ships >> and their cargoes, >> The proud black ships of Manhattan arriving, some fill'd with >> immigrants, some from the isthmus with cargoes of gold, >> Songs thereof would I sing, to all that hitherward comes would welcome >> give, >> And you would I sing, fair stripling! welcome to you from me, young >> prince of England! >> (Remember you surging Manhattan's crowds as you pass'd with your >> cortege of nobles? >> There in the crowds stood I, and singled you out with attachment;) >> Nor forget I to sing of the wonder, the ship as she swam up my bay, >> Well-shaped and stately the Great Eastern swam up my bay, she was >> 600 feet long, >> Her moving swiftly surrounded by myriads of small craft I forget not >> to sing; >> Nor the comet that came unannounced out of the north flaring in heaven, >> Nor the strange huge meteor-procession dazzling and clear shooting >> over our heads, >> (A moment, a moment long it sail'd its balls of unearthly light over >> our heads, >> Then departed, dropt in the night, and was gone;) >> Of such, and fitful as they, I sing--with gleams from them would >> gleam and patch these chants, >> Your chants, O year all mottled with evil and good--year of forebodings! >> Year of comets and meteors transient and strange--lo! even here one >> equally transient and strange! >> As I flit through you hastily, soon to fall and be gone, what is this >> chant, >> What am I myself but one of your meteors? >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > From meteoriteshow at free.fr Wed Sep 24 11:49:47 2008 From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (meteoriteshow at free.fr) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:49:47 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: meteoriteshow ebay auctions of this week In-Reply-To: <852850.27398.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <852850.27398.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1222271387.48da619b01c35@imp.free.fr> Dear All, Here we are this week with a new set of meteorites offered on ebay by meteoriteshow. Should you like to see them, please follow the link: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow You will find this time the MAIN MASS of HaH 257 (L6), an endcut of AL HAGGOUNIA, a nice fusion crusted complete chondrite (not classified but genuine!!!), a partslice of our fresh and fusion crusted howardite that is currently under classification with Jean Alix Barrat in France, a fragment of OUED EL HADJAR, very rare WITNESSED FALL with a great history (fund by Michel Franco), a beautiful partslice of SAH 02501 (RARE blue EUCRITE!) and a fragment of ZAG (which is still at starting price...). These auctions will end on saturday, so you still have time, but not that much! Thanks for looking and Happy Biddings! All the Best, Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 24 17:07:48 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - September 12-20, 2008 Message-ID: <200809242107.OAA18795@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Warming Up on Mars - sol 1669-1677, September 12-20, 2008: With Martian winter on the wane, Spirit is using significantly less energy to stay warm. During the winter solstice, Spirit needed 90 watt-hours to run the heater. Now, the rover uses between 30 and 40 watt-hours. The reduced demand for power, more than the slow increase in solar-array input, has freed up energy for other things. In particular, Spirit has added more images to the 360-degree view of its winter surroundings, known as the "Bonestell panorama." The top tier, one of three tiers needed for the final image mosaic, is almost complete. Plans called for Spirit to use the miniature thermal emission spectrometer for the first time in several months. The last time the rover used the instrument was on Martian day, or sol, 1558 (May 21, 2008). On sol 1675 (Sept. 18, 2008), Spirit's schedule of activities included calibrating the spectometer and using it to observe the sky and ground. Normally, scientists use the observations to measure temperatures at different heights and create a temperature profile of the ground and atmosphere. In this case, the purpose of the measurements is to verify that the spectrometer is still working after a long, cold period of disuse. The measurements will also enable scientists to estimate the amount of dust on the optics. They may or may not provide a useful temperature profile. Spirit is healthy and all subsystems are performing as expected as of the most recent report from NASA's Odyssey orbiter on sol 1674 (Sept. 17, 2008). Solar-array energy has inched upward to 255 watt-hours (100 watt-hours is the amount of energy needed to light a 100-watt bulb for one hour). Skies are clearer than last week, with tau, a measure of the amount of sunlight blocked by atmospheric dust, dropping to 0.141. Sol-by-sol summary In addition to taking daily measurements of dust-related changes in atmospheric opacity (tau), Spirit completed the following activities: Sol 1669 (Sept. 12, 2008): Spirit recharged the batteries. Sol 1670: Spirit received new instructions directly from Earth sent at X-band frequencies to the rover's high-gain antenna. The rover relayed data to NASA's Odyssey orbiter to be transmitted to Earth. Sol 1671: Spirit acquired column 20, part 1 and column 21, part 1 of the full-color Bonestell panorama, using all 13 color filters of the panoramic camera. The rover took spot images of the sky for calibration purposes with the panoramic camera. Sol 1672: Spirit recharged the batteries. Sol 1673: Spirit recharged the batteries. Sol 1674: Spirit received new instructions from Earth via the rover's high-gain antenna. The rover relayed data to Odyssey to be sent to Earth. Sol 1675: Plans called for Spirit to acquire column 22, part 1 and column 23, part 1 of the Bonestell panorama and then verify that the miniature thermal emission spectrometer was still functional. This involved warming up the actuator, calibrating the instrument, measuring ground temperature, and measuring atmospheric temperatures at different heights. Plans also called for Spirit to calibrate the panoramic camera by taking images in darkness while the instrument was warm. Sol 1676: Plans called for Spirit to recharge the batteries. Sol 1677 (Sept. 20, 2008): Plans called for Spirit to recharge the batteries. Odometry: As of sol 1674 (Sept. 17, 2008), Spirit's total odometry remained at 7,528.0 meters (4.7 miles). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Slipping Like a Dune Buggy - sol 1648-1654, September 12-18, 2008: During the past week, Opportunity has been trying to reach a patch of dust between two crests of the ridge surrounding "Victoria Crater." The rover approached the ridge from the west, driving on flat ground, on Martian days, or sols, 1648 and 1650 (Sept. 12 and Sept. 14, 2008). Then, after reaching a staging position, Opportunity began to climb the ridge. That's when the rover's wheels began slipping excessively on the sandy slope. Rover drivers decided to give Opportunity another chance to make it up the slope by loosening the slip constraints. This allowed Opportunity to keep trying to climb the slope with a higher rate of wheel slippage. If the attempt to do this as planned on sol 1654 (Sept. 18, 2008) is not successful, rover drivers may try a different approach or abandon the effort. After the dust patch campaign, plans call for Opportunity to drive south toward a 20-kilometer-wide (12-mile-wide) crater 12 kilometers (7.5 miles) away. Opportunity is healthy, and all subsystems are performing as expected. Based on the latest data from sol 1653 (Sept. 17, 2008), the rover has 582 watt-hours of solar power available each day. (One hundred watt-hours is the amount of energy needed to light a 100-watt bulb for one hour.) Sol-by-sol summary: In addition to measuring dust-related changes in atmospheric clarity each day with the panoramic camera, Opportunity completed the following activities: Sol 1648 (Sept. 12, 2008): Opportunity stowed the robotic arm and began driving toward the dust patch. Just before and after ending the drive, Opportunity took images with the hazard-avoidance and navigation cameras, respectively. The rover acquired a 4-by-1 panel of images, called the "Bagnold mosaic," with the panoramic camera. Sol 1649: Opportunity took full-color images, using all 13 filters of the panoramic camera, of a target nicknamed "Drummond." After relaying data to NASA's Odyssey orbiter for transmission to Earth, Opportunity measured argon gas in the Martian atmosphere with the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer. Sol 1650: In the morning, Opportunity took thumbnail images of the sky with the panoramic camera. The rover continued driving toward the dust patch and documented progress before and after ending the drive by taking images with the engineering cameras. Opportunity acquired another 4-by-1 panel of images for the Bagnold mosaic before sending data to Odyssey. Sol 1651: Opportunity searched for morning clouds in the Martian sky by taking six time-lapse, movie frames with the navigation camera. The rover took spot images of the sky for calibration purposes, surveyed the horizon, and surveyed the sky at low Sun with the panoramic camera. Sol 1652: In the morning, Opportunity searched for clouds passing overhead by taking six time-lapse, movie frames with the navigation camera. The rover checked for drift -- changes with time -- in the miniature thermal emission spectrometer and also conducted a test of the instrument. Before beginning the day's drive, Opportunity used the spectrometer to study a target dubbed "Velvet" and survey the sky and ground at different elevations. The rover then attempted to drive up the ridge to the dust patch, acquiring images along the way with the hazard-avoidance and navigation cameras. Opportunity sent data to Odyssey for transmission to Earth. Sol 1653: Opportunity acquired a 3-by-1 mosaic of westward-looking images with the navigation camera and took images in total darkness with the panoramic camera for calibration purposes. Sol 1654 (Sept. 18, 2008): Upon rising, Opportunity took more "dark current" images with the panoramic camera for calibration purposes. The rover tried once more to drive to the dust patch, taking images before and after ending the drive with the hazard-avoidance and navigation cameras. Before proceeding with plans to measure atmospheric argon, Opportunity transmitted data to Odyssey for relay to Earth. Odometry: As of sol 1653 (Sept. 17, 2008), Opportunity's total odometry was 11,796.22 meters (7.33 miles). From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 24 17:10:36 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rock Moved by Phoenix Lander Arm Message-ID: <200809242110.OAA19989@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/images.php?fileID=16240 Rock Moved by Mars Lander Arm September 23, 2008 The robotic arm on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander slid a rock out of the way during the mission's 117th Martian day (Sept. 22, 2008) to gain access to soil that had been underneath the rock.The lander's Surface Stereo Imager took this image later the same day, showing the rock, called "Headless," after the arm pushed it about 40 centimeters (16 inches) from its previous location. "The rock ended up exactly where we intended it to," said Matt Robinson of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, robotic arm flight software lead for the Phoenix team. The arm had enlarged the trench near Headless two days earlier in preparation for sliding the rock into the trench. The trench was dug to about 3 centimeters (1.2 inches) deep. The ground surface between the rock's prior position and the lip of the trench had a slope of about 3 degrees downward toward the trench. Headless is about the size and shape of a VHS videotape. The Phoenix science team sought to move the rock in order to study the soil and the depth to subsurface ice underneath where the rock had been. This image was taken at about 12:30 p.m., local solar time on Mars. The view is to the north northeast of the lander. The Phoenix Mission is led by the University of Arizona, Tucson, on behalf of NASA. Project management of the mission is by JPL, Pasadena, Calif. Spacecraft development was by Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver. Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona/Texas A&M University From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 24 17:15:38 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientists Take a Leap Forward in Understanding Processes that Shape Martian Surface Message-ID: <200809242115.OAA21204@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/scientists-take-a-leap-forward-in-understanding-processes-that-sha Scientists take a leap forward in understanding processes that shape Martian surface Thaindian News September 24, 2008 Berlin, September 24 (ANI): The High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE), carried by NASAs Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is helping scientists make leaps forward in understanding both the ongoing and ancient processes that shaped the surface of Mars. A study of the nature and distribution of ancient megabreccia, led by Professor Alfred McEwen, HiRISEs Principal Investigator, suggests that this bedrock was formed during the late heavy bombardment period. Megabreccia consists of angular, randomly-orientated blocks that formed suddenly in energetic events such as meteorite impacts. It is thought to contain fragments of the oldest and deepest bedrock exposed on the surface of Mars. According to McEwen, We think that the megabreccia was formed during a period of heightened meteorite activity about 3.9 billion years ago. This is around the time life appears to have begun on Earth, but we have very little record of that era in our terrestrial geology because ancient rocks are heavily metamorphosed. Mars preserves a much better record of the heavy bombardment and, unlike the dry lunar surface, it shows the environmental effects in a water-rich crust, he added. The HiRISE team has identified megabreccia in more than 50 locations consistent with the most ancient terrains on Mars. These include the central uplifts of large craters and deep exposures such as the floor of parts of Valles Marineris. Well-exposed rock outcrops are needed to identify megabreccia, in particular from the diversity of colours and textures indicating diverse rock types. Megabreccia contains rock fragments from the earliest geological period on Mars, the Noachian era, which is more than 3.8 billion years ago. The megabreccia blocks vary in size from relatively small (1-5 metres) to larger than 10 metres in diameter. The small blocks were probably formed by post Noachian cratering, particularly when found in material filling crater floors. The large blocks are only found in locations consistent with hard, deep bedrock, such as the central uplifts. McEwen suggests that the blocks are largely cemented by melt from impacts and hydrothermal alteration. We are in the midst of a paradigm shift in understanding the Noachian crust of Mars, thanks to the high-resolution data from the Mars Express and MRO missions, said McEwen. The spectrometers on these missions found evidence of alteration due to water in the bedrock in many, if not most Noachian aged places. However, the younger Noachian era may have been relatively dry, so we may need to study the oldest outcrops of megabreccia to understand this era, he added. McEwen will also be presenting results of processes that may be shaping the surface of Mars today. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Sep 24 17:17:30 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Experiment Deals Blow To 'Bugs From Space' Theory Message-ID: <200809242117.OAA22393@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080066592 Meteorite experiment deals blow to 'bugs from space' theory Agence France-Presse September 24, 2008 A novel experiment has dealt a setback to a theory that life on Earth was kick started by bacteria that hitched a ride on space rocks. The "pan-spermia" hypothesis is that cells were transported to the infant Earth on rocks that were bumped off other planets or even came from another star system. The theory gained a boost in 1996 when a group of US scientists proposed that a famous meteorite found in Antarctica held traces of fossilised bacteria that once lived on Mars. Seeking to find out more, European scientists have devised "artificial meteorites" to see what happens when rocks bearing fossil traces and living bacteria are exposed to the fiery heat of entering Earth's atmosophere. In research to be unveiled on Wednesday, they attached small rocks two centimetres thick to a Russian unmanned Foton M3 capsule that was launched in September 2007 and returned to Earth 12 days later. The samples were imbedded on the capsule's heat shield, which reached a peak velocity of 7.6 kilometres per second or 27,200 kilometres, per hour during the controlled descent. The study was scheduled to be presented on Wednesday at the European Planetary Science Congress in Muenster, Western Germany. So far 39 meteorites have been found on Earth that have been attributed to a Martian origin. The notion is that they were knocked off the planet in the distant past by an asteroid impact. They then wandered in space before landing on earth. But all of these meteorites are of basalt, or volcanic origin. None is sedimentary. This has perplexed scientists, as there is abundant evidence for sediments on the Red Planet. Outcome of the experiment shows Martian sedimentary rocks could survive entry through Earth's atmosphere. From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 24 17:40:52 2008 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:40:52 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Experiment Deals Blow To 'Bugs From Space' Theory In-Reply-To: <200809242117.OAA22393@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <200809242117.OAA22393@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Message-ID: Heyyyy, wait a minute!... If ablation is ~90%, aren't the "two centimetres" samples in the nosecone unrealistic? Wouldn't samples the size of watermelons to small cars be more resonable, considering what their experiment concerns? Cheers, Pete > From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:17:30 -0700 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Experiment Deals Blow To 'Bugs From Space' Theory > > > http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080066592 > > Meteorite experiment deals blow to 'bugs from space' theory > Agence France-Presse > September 24, 2008 > > A novel experiment has dealt a setback to a theory that life on Earth > was kick started by bacteria that hitched a ride on space rocks. > > The "pan-spermia" hypothesis is that cells were transported to the > infant Earth on rocks that were bumped off other planets or even came > from another star system. > > The theory gained a boost in 1996 when a group of US scientists proposed > that a famous meteorite found in Antarctica held traces of fossilised > bacteria that once lived on Mars. > > Seeking to find out more, European scientists have devised "artificial > meteorites" to see what happens when rocks bearing fossil traces and > living bacteria are exposed to the fiery heat of entering Earth's > atmosophere. > > In research to be unveiled on Wednesday, they attached small rocks two > centimetres thick to a Russian unmanned Foton M3 capsule that was > launched in September 2007 and returned to Earth 12 days later. > > The samples were imbedded on the capsule's heat shield, which reached a > peak velocity of 7.6 kilometres per second or 27,200 kilometres, per > hour during the controlled descent. > > The study was scheduled to be presented on Wednesday at the European > Planetary Science Congress in Muenster, Western Germany. > > So far 39 meteorites have been found on Earth that have been attributed > to a Martian origin. The notion is that they were knocked off the planet > in the distant past by an asteroid impact. They then wandered in space > before landing on earth. > > But all of these meteorites are of basalt, or volcanic origin. None is > sedimentary. This has perplexed scientists, as there is abundant > evidence for sediments on the Red Planet. > > Outcome of the experiment shows Martian sedimentary rocks could survive > entry through Earth's atmosphere. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Wed Sep 24 18:15:58 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 24 Sep 2008 22:15:58 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Year of Meteorrs (1859-60) Message-ID: Dirk wrote: "The comet was most likely Comet 1859(1) - Comet Temple1." Sean wrote: "Is it possible that they were not actually speaking of a meteor/ meteorite, but referencing the Wilhelm Tempel 1859 comet?" Hello Dirk, Sean, and List, Not quite sure whether Comet 1859 and Comet Tempel 1 are identical. Wilhelm Tempel discovered Tempel 1 on the night of April 3, 1867 and as the comet's period is about six years, its previous apparition must have been 1861, not 1859. He did discover a comet in 1859, the only one that year. So, like Sean, I think that Walt Whitman may have thought of Comet 1859 but somehow intermingled the spectacular Leonid meteor shower (whose parent comet is 55P/ *T e m p e l* -Tuttle) and Comet 1859. I don't even think that Walt was thinking of Comet 1859 because it was quite unspectacular. What about Comet Donati or Biela or even Halley? A case of "poetic license" ? ... Maybe Best, Bernd From drtanuki at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 19:55:10 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Year of Meteors (1859-60) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <423438.13478.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Bernd, Sean and List, Thank you Bernd and Sean for your observations and information. Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Thu, 9/25/08, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote: > From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > Subject: [meteorite-list] Year of Meteorrs (1859-60) > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 7:15 AM > Dirk wrote: > > "The comet was most likely Comet 1859(1) - Comet > Temple1." > > Sean wrote: > > "Is it possible that they were not actually speaking > of a meteor/ > meteorite, but referencing the Wilhelm Tempel 1859 > comet?" > > > Hello Dirk, Sean, and List, > > Not quite sure whether Comet 1859 and Comet Tempel 1 are > identical. > Wilhelm Tempel discovered Tempel 1 on the night of April 3, > 1867 and > as the comet's period is about six years, its previous > apparition must have > been 1861, not 1859. He did discover a comet in 1859, the > only one that > year. So, like Sean, I think that Walt Whitman may have > thought of Comet > 1859 but somehow intermingled the spectacular Leonid meteor > shower > (whose parent comet is 55P/ *T e m p e l* -Tuttle) and > Comet 1859. > > I don't even think that Walt was thinking of Comet 1859 > because it was > quite unspectacular. What about Comet Donati or Biela or > even Halley? > > A case of "poetic license" ? ... Maybe > > Best, > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mikewren at gilanet.com Thu Sep 25 00:27:00 2008 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:27:00 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: AUCTION-HIGHLIGHT PREVIEW, To Be Aware Is To Have A Chance To Take These Home! 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The somewhat speculative scenario is based on the leftovers: a ring of debris around the star that includes a million times more dust than now circles our sun. "It's as if Earth and Venus collided," said researcher Benjamin Zuckerman, UCLA professor of physics and astronomy. "Astronomers have never seen anything like this before. Apparently, major catastrophic collisions can take place in a fully mature planetary system." The researchers used X-ray data and other observations of a star called BD+20 307. They had assumed it was a young star, just a few hundred million years old, and the debris was leftovers from planet formation. But earlier this year, another study showed the star was actually a binary pair, and that the stars were billions of years old. So why all the debris? The dust is about the same distance from the stellar pair as Earth is from the sun, and given current theories of planet formation, that debris should have been swept up into planets by now or pushed away by stellar radiation. It simply shouldn't be there. A colossal collision must have created all that dust sometime in the past few hundred thousand years and perhaps much more recently, the astronomers figure. It would have been a whopper. "If any life was present on either planet, the massive collision would have wiped out everything in a matter of minutes ? the ultimate extinction event," said Gregory Henry, an astronomer at Tennessee State University (TSU) who worked with Zuckerman on the research. "A massive disk of infrared-emitting dust circling the star provides silent testimony to this sad fate." To put the collision into context, Zuckerman said: "By contrast with the massive crash in the BD+20 307 system, the collision of an asteroid with Earth 65 million years ago, the most favored explanation for the final demise of the dinosaurs, was a mere pipsqueak." The work was funded by the National Science Foundation and NASA, and also by TSU and the State of Tennessee. It will be detailed in the December issue of the Astrophysical Journal. The conclusion has the astronomers thinking about home. "This poses two very interesting questions," said TSU astronomer Francis Fekel. "How do planetary orbits become destabilized in such an old, mature system, and could such a collision happen in our own solar system?" It has already happened here, in fact. Our moon is thought to have been created when a Mars-sized object slammed into Earth. Henry points out that computer models done by other researchers suggest that as planets in our solar system migrate over time, there is a "small probability for collisions of Mercury with Earth or Venus sometime in the next billion years or more." Of course by then the sun will have expanded and we might be toast anyway. From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Thu Sep 25 05:30:14 2008 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:30:14 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 25, 2008 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_25_2008.html **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. 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Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 08:44:38 2008 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) MILLBILLILLIE 53 gram forsale Message-ID: <621574.65704.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list.I need to raise some money so I am putting up my 53 gram millbillillie stone meteorite up forsale.$500 takes it home.I will also pay for shipping.But please NO PAYPAL!!I will accept either private checks,cash,money order,or cashiers check or western union for my non usa customers.This is 100% fusion crusted not a mark on it and has flowlines and all the original red and black patina.Thanks and offlist please. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ From stm at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 25 09:17:07 2008 From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:17:07 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Worlds in Collision References: <200809221559.IAA29297@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> <4r6md4l9f1qpmtmgg1ab6h6df7egcpll5q@4ax.com> Message-ID: <2468616945194913B916770739BF6BF0@platinum> Great picture for this on APOD: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Garrison" To: "Meteorite Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:04 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Worlds in Collision http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,427023,00.html Huge Planetary Collision Left Tons of Space Debris Around a distant star, two planets similar to Earth collided and were destroyed, astronomers said today. The somewhat speculative scenario is based on the leftovers: a ring of debris around the star that includes a million times more dust than now circles our sun. "It's as if Earth and Venus collided," said researcher Benjamin Zuckerman, UCLA professor of physics and astronomy. "Astronomers have never seen anything like this before. Apparently, major catastrophic collisions can take place in a fully mature planetary system." The researchers used X-ray data and other observations of a star called BD+20 307. They had assumed it was a young star, just a few hundred million years old, and the debris was leftovers from planet formation. But earlier this year, another study showed the star was actually a binary pair, and that the stars were billions of years old. So why all the debris? The dust is about the same distance from the stellar pair as Earth is from the sun, and given current theories of planet formation, that debris should have been swept up into planets by now or pushed away by stellar radiation. It simply shouldn't be there. A colossal collision must have created all that dust sometime in the past few hundred thousand years and perhaps much more recently, the astronomers figure. It would have been a whopper. "If any life was present on either planet, the massive collision would have wiped out everything in a matter of minutes - the ultimate extinction event," said Gregory Henry, an astronomer at Tennessee State University (TSU) who worked with Zuckerman on the research. "A massive disk of infrared-emitting dust circling the star provides silent testimony to this sad fate." To put the collision into context, Zuckerman said: "By contrast with the massive crash in the BD+20 307 system, the collision of an asteroid with Earth 65 million years ago, the most favored explanation for the final demise of the dinosaurs, was a mere pipsqueak." The work was funded by the National Science Foundation and NASA, and also by TSU and the State of Tennessee. It will be detailed in the December issue of the Astrophysical Journal. The conclusion has the astronomers thinking about home. "This poses two very interesting questions," said TSU astronomer Francis Fekel. "How do planetary orbits become destabilized in such an old, mature system, and could such a collision happen in our own solar system?" It has already happened here, in fact. Our moon is thought to have been created when a Mars-sized object slammed into Earth. Henry points out that computer models done by other researchers suggest that as planets in our solar system migrate over time, there is a "small probability for collisions of Mercury with Earth or Venus sometime in the next billion years or more." Of course by then the sun will have expanded and we might be toast anyway. ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From majbaermann at web.de Thu Sep 25 10:17:52 2008 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:17:52 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) MILLBILLILLIE 53 gram forsale References: <621574.65704.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50F9F43333AD4C279A61221F0525C33D@thinkcentre> How many AD's we've had from this address this week? Chergach? Gao? Now Millie? Don't know ... Matthias ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve arnold" To: Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) MILLBILLILLIE 53 gram forsale > Hi list.I need to raise some money so I am putting up my 53 gram > millbillillie stone meteorite up forsale.$500 takes it home.I will also > pay for shipping.But please NO PAYPAL!!I will accept either private > checks,cash,money order,or cashiers check or western union for my non usa > customers.This is 100% fusion crusted not a mark on it and has flowlines > and all the original red and black patina.Thanks and offlist please. > > Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 10:21:49 2008 From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED : Meteorite Pendant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <600952.41939.qm@web58407.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi folks! I am looking to purchase a meteorite pendant - either the NWA 869 heart-shaped pendant, one of the interesting looking carved NWA 869 "beads" (preferred), or an etched iron pendant (like Gibeon). I do not want any of the wire-wrapped pendants or oft-seen Campo pendants. My wife's birthday is coming up and I want to give her something meteoritic in addition to the usual gift fare. I have been bidding on these pendants on eBay for a week now and I keep losing the auction every time - because the price gets too high for my budget or I forget to watch the auction and it closes while I am out lollygagging. If you have one of these to part with, email me with your price shipped to zipcode 70360 via Priority Mail. I can pay via PayPal. Thanks and clear skies! MikeG ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .......................................................... From cynapse at charter.net Thu Sep 25 11:05:44 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:05:44 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] ESAs artificial meteorite probes panspermia In-Reply-To: <20080925094022.36570@gmx.net> References: <20080925094022.36570@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:40:22 +0200, you wrote: >Hello list, > >an artificial meteorite shows that sedimentary martian soil could reach earth, but possible microbes would get killed by the atmosferic flight: > >http://www.europlanet-eu.org/demo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=123&Itemid=41 The more interesting part of the experiment, to me, is the production of "creamy white fusion crusts". Wonder how many Martian sedementary meteorites (and old Earthites) have been passed over in the deserts because they were "the wrong color"? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080925083252.htm From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 25 12:18:32 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - September 24, 2008 Message-ID: <200809251618.JAA05752@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES September 24, 2008 o Clusters of Mounds at Acidalia Planitia http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009485_2185 o Outcrops in Aurorae Chaos http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009498_1730 o Tube-Fed Lava Flow Field http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009501_1755 o Dark Spot Near Olmpus Mons Volcano http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009502_1980 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. From mmurray at montrose.net Thu Sep 25 12:28:33 2008 From: mmurray at montrose.net (Michael Murray) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:28:33 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] ESAs artificial meteorite probes panspermia In-Reply-To: References: <20080925094022.36570@gmx.net> Message-ID: <3FCB97FD-D174-4C66-B880-2D70C1CF6933@montrose.net> Wasn't there a lady professor that wrote an article a while back on the possibility of there being atypical appearing meteorites and we might be overlooking them? I realize that is somewhat of a wide-open question but to possibly narrow it down a bit, the name Prof. C. Floss seems to come to mind in my remembering this article. Seems like it had to do with mantle or lack of meteorites from a certain layer, or something similar. Anyone else remember this article? I'd like to read it again if I could come up with the link. Mike On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Darren Garrison wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:40:22 +0200, you wrote: > >> Hello list, >> >> an artificial meteorite shows that sedimentary martian soil could >> reach earth, but possible microbes would get killed by the >> atmosferic flight: >> >> http://www.europlanet-eu.org/demo/index.php? >> option=com_content&task=view&id=123&Itemid=41 > > The more interesting part of the experiment, to me, is the > production of "creamy > white fusion crusts". Wonder how many Martian sedementary > meteorites (and old > Earthites) have been passed over in the deserts because they were > "the wrong > color"? > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080925083252.htm > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemall at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 15:39:11 2008 From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Semi-Famous Meteorites For Sale Message-ID: <991778.13308.qm@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, I have a few "Semi-Famous" Meteorites for sale. Take a look and email me of list..... http://www.mr-meteorite.com/famousmeteorites4sale.htm Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 25 15:54:27 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO Reveals Rock Fracture Plumbing On Mars Message-ID: <200809251954.MAA13145@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Sept. 25, 2008 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov Guy Webster Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-6278 guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov Lori Stiles University of Arizona, Tucson 520-626-4402 lstiles at u.arizona.edu RELEASE: 08-244 NASA ORBITER REVEALS ROCK FRACTURE PLUMBING ON MARS PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has revealed hundreds of small fractures exposed on the Martian surface that billions of years ago directed flows of water through underground Martian sandstone. Researchers used images from the spacecraft's High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment, or HiRISE, camera. Images of layered rock deposits at equatorial Martian sites show the clusters of fractures to be a type called deformation bands, caused by stresses below the surface in granular or porous bedrock. "Groundwater often flows along fractures such as these, and knowing that these are deformation bands helps us understand how the underground plumbing may have worked within these layered deposits," said Chris Okubo of the U.S. Geological Survey in Flagstaff, Ariz. Visible effects of water on the color and texture of rock along the fractures provide evidence that groundwater flowed extensively along the fractures. "These structures are important sites for future exploration and investigations into the geological history of water and water-related processes on Mars," Okubo and co-authors state in a report published online this month in the Geological Society of America Bulletin. Deformation band clusters in Utah sandstones, as on Mars, are a few yards wide and up to a few miles long. They form from either compression or stretching of underground layers, and can be precursors to faults. The ones visible at the surface have become exposed as overlying layers erode away. Deformation bands and faults can strongly influence the movement of groundwater on Earth and appear to have been similarly important on Mars, according to this study. "This study provides a picture of not just surface water erosion but true groundwater effects widely distributed over the planet," said Suzanne Smrekar, deputy project scientist for the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "Ground water movement has important implications for how the temperature and chemistry of the crust have changed over time, which in turn affects the potential for habitats for past life." The recent study focuses on layered deposits in Mars' Capen crater, approximately 43 miles in diameter and 7 degrees north of the equator. This formerly unnamed crater became notable due to this discovery of deformation bands within it and was recently assigned a formal name. The crater was named for the late Charles Capen, who studied Mars and other objects as an astronomer at JPL's Table Mountain Observatory in southern California and at Lowell Observatory, Flagstaff, Ariz. The HiRISE camera is one of six science instruments on the orbiter. It can reveal smaller details on the surface than any previous camera to orbit Mars. The orbiter reached Mars in March 2006 and has returned more data than all other current and past missions to Mars combined. The mission is managed by JPL for NASA's Science Mission Directorate. Lockheed Martin Space Systems of Denver built the spacecraft. The University of Arizona operates the HiRISE camera, built by Ball Aerospace and Technology Corp. of Boulder, Colo. Images of the deformation band clusters and additional information about the mission are on the Internet at: http://www.nasa.gov/mro For more information about NASA and agency programs, visit: http://www.nasa.gov -end- From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 25 16:21:15 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Artificial Meteorite Shows Martian Impactors May Carry Traces of Life Message-ID: <200809252021.NAA15389@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/artificial-meteorite-shows-martian-impactors-may-carry-traces-of-life_10099727.html Artificial meteorite shows Martian impactors may carry traces of life Thaindian News September 25, 2008 Berlin, September 25 (ANI): An artificial meteorite designed by the European Space Agency (ESA) has shown that traces of life in a Martian meteorite could survive the violent heat and shock of entry into the Earth's atmosphere. The experiment's results also suggest that meteorite hunters should widen their search to include white rocks if they want to find traces of life in Martian meteorites. The STONE-6 experiment tested whether sedimentary rock samples could withstand the extreme conditions during a descent though the Earth's atmosphere where temperatures reached at least 1700 degrees Celsius. After landing, the samples were transported in protective holders to a laboratory clean-room at ESTEC (European Space Research and Technology Centre) and examined to see if any traces of life remained. Recent missions have gathered compelling evidence for water and sediments on early Mars. Potential traces of Martian life are more likely to be found in sediments that have been formed in water. However, although about 39 known meteorites from Mars have been identified, all are basaltic rock-types and no sedimentary meteorites have been found to date. According to Dr Westall, "The STONE-6 experiment shows that sedimentary martian meteorites could reach Earth. The fact that we haven't found any to date could mean that we need to change the way we hunt for meteorites." "In this experiment, we found that the sedimentary rocks developed a white crust or none at all. That means that we need to expand our search to white or light-coloured rocks," he added. The STONE-6 experiment was mounted on a FOTON M3 capsule that was launched from Baikonur on 14th September 2007. Two samples of terrestrial sedimentary rock and a control sample of basalt were fixed to the heat-shield of the return capsule, which re-entered the atmosphere on 26th September after 12 days in orbit. The basalt was lost during re-entry. However, a sample of 3.5 billion year old volcanic sand containing carbonaceous microfossils and a 370 million year sample of mudstone from the Orkney Islands containing chemical biomarkers both survived. On examination at ESTEC, the 3.5 billion year old sample of sand from Pilbara in Australia was found to have formed a half-millimetre thick fusion crust that was creamy white in colour. About half the rock had ablated but the microfossils and carbon survived at depth in the sample. Approximately 30 percent of the other sediment, a lacustrine sand from the Orkney Islands, also survived, as did some of the biomolecules. The rocks also transported living organisms, a type of bacteria called Chroococcidiopsis, on the back of the rocks, away from the exposed edge. "The STONE-6 experiment suggests that, if Martian sedimentary meteorites carry traces of past life, these traces could be safely transported to Earth," said Dr Westall. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 25 16:22:50 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] The Fallen 'Star' of Hoba (Hoba Meteorite) Message-ID: <200809252022.NAA16040@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.newera.com.na/page.php?id=9350 The Fallen 'Star' of Hoba By Chrispin Inambao New Era September 25, 2008 Fifty-seven kilometres east of the B-1 road between Otavi and Grootfontein is a turn-off from where a serpentine dusty road leads to a cluster of fertile commercial farms. >From the turn-off one would have to endure a 24-km drive along a bumpy road that traverses several maize fields and fertile cattle ranches that economically sustain the maize triangle to reach one particular farm that possesses a heritage of global significance. Hoba Farm is of global significance in that the largest single piece of ?cosmic dust? to have fallen anywhere on earth from the sky lies several metres embedded in its surface. This meteorite of considerable importance to scientists is a favoured tourist destination. Weighing in excess of 60 tonnes and discovered in 1920 Hoba Meteorite is said to have landed on earth over 80 000 years ago and is one of the reasons tourists flock to Namibia. Multitudes of visitors from America, Germany, Italy, Britain, France and South Africa, among other countries, toting expensive digital cameras are drawn to this metallic stone slab that was discovered through a chance event by a farmer with an ox-drawn plough. Had it not been for this maize farmer, no one would know that beneath Namibia?s surface is buried the largest known meteorite in the world for there is no crater in that area. This meteorite is unusual in that it is flat on both major surfaces possibly causing it to have skipped across the top of the atmosphere in a way a flat stone skips on water. Adelheid Garises and her husband Ambrosius Gariseb are part of a team of people ensuring this national treasure listed among the National Monuments is protected from vandals. In fact, it was declared a national monument on March 15, 1955 and in 1985 R?ssing Uranium Ltd availed funds so that additional protection could be taken against vandals. A portion of these funds was utilised to make the site more attractive to tourists. In 1987 Jan Engelbrecht the owner of Hoba West donated the meteorite and the site where it lies to the State for educational purposes. Later that year a tourist centre was opened at the site. Because of these developments, vandalism has ceased and thousands of both local and domestic tourists visit this breath-taking site year in and year out. Previously souvenir-hunters had hacked some pieces of this priceless treasure. In the 50s ISCOR a South African steel company, made an offer to buy the whole stone for a million pounds that at that time was a staggering amount. In astronomical terms Hoba Meteorite is no more than a 'speck of cosmic dust' though on a more modest human scale, this rock is both the largest and heaviest meteorite on earth. It is worth noting the speed at which these meteorites travel by far eclipses that of bullets. Garises said the meteorite is located 24 km from Grootfontein and that it attracts anything from 24 to 80 tourists everyday but that the number could even be higher and groups of school-children undertake guided tours to see this strange-looking metallic stone slab. Geologists from far and wide also travel to this area to scientifically probe this stone. Comprising 84 percent iron and 16 percent nickel this slab will continue being a major tourist attraction in years to come. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 25 16:24:48 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Identifies Carbon-rich Molecules in Meteors as the 'Origin of Life' Message-ID: <200809252024.NAA17194@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/research/2008/Origins_of_life_research.html NASA Identifies Carbon-rich Molecules in Meteors as the 'Origin of Life' September 24, 2008 Tons, perhaps tens of tons, of carbon molecules in dust particles and meteorites fall on Earth daily. Meteorites are especially valuable to astronomers because they provide relatively big chunks of carbon molecules that are easily analyzed in the laboratory. In the past few years, researchers have noticed that most meteorite carbon are molecules called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), which are very stable compounds and are survivors. PAHs are the most common carbon-rich compound in the universe. They are found in everything from distant galaxies to charbroiled hamburgers and engine soot. When they are first formed, or found in space, their structures resemble pieces of chicken wire, fused six-sided rings. However, when found in meteorites, these aromatic rings are carrying extra hydrogen or oxygen. Scientists at NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif. performed laboratory experiments that explain the process by which these meteoritic hydrocarbons attract the extra hydrogen and oxygen. They are very similar to the molecules identified as evidence of alien microbes in an earlier Science paper (McKay et al 1996). ???Our findings are important because it is the first time anybody explained these carbon-rich molecules found in meteorites. They are similar to the molecules that make-up living things,??? said Max Bernstein, a space scientist at NASA Ames. As it happened, their findings were judged significant enough to be award-winning. Published in Science (1999) by Bernstein and fellow NASA Ames scientists Scott Sanford and Louis Allamandola, their paper won the 2008 H. Julian Allen Award at NASA Ames Research Center. It takes a long time for scientific papers to win awards. "As scientists, we like to quantify things. Scientific papers are judged by the number of times they are cited in other scientific papers. Other scientists need to say that I couldn't have written my paper without your paper. Often it takes a few years," Bernstein explained. These carbon-rich molecules are produced by carbon-rich, dying, giant red stars. When they are first formed, astronomers observe them as normal PAHs. However, when they are seen in meteorites billions of years later, they almost always have oxygen or heavy hydrogen attached to them. (Heavy hydrogen carries an extra neutron, and is called a deuterium isotope.) Something happened to change them, say scientists. To study the process by which these carbon compounds change, the Ames Astrochemistry Laboratory studied PAHs in water ices that were exposed to ultraviolet radiation under space-like conditions. Scientists reproduced conditions including an incredibly high vacuum, extremely low temperatures (- 340 degrees Fahrenheit), and harsh radiation. When the extremely cold temperature was reached, these PAHs were exposed to ultraviolet radiation, and they changed. The experiment successfully reproduced the hydrocarbons found in meteorites. For the first time, scientists were able to show how hydrogen was exchanged for deuterium, or heavy hydrogen. "It turns out, you only need water ice and radiation to change these molecules," said Bernstein. Using infrared spectroscopy, the Ames research team proved that the laboratory-produced hydrocarbons were the same hydrocarbons found in meteorites and observed through telescopes. Scientists observed the chemical reaction in a stainless steel chamber as it was happening. The laboratory sample reflected the same infrared colors as the hydrocarbons seen by astronomers using telescopes. Because the techniques used were the same, the results were directly comparable. "We were seeing the same molecules from telescopes as were reproduced in the laboratory," said Sandford. Once the molecular-size laboratory sample was retrieved, it was taken to Richard Zare's laboratory at Stanford University, where researchers weighed the individual molecules. Findings showed that ices, modified by radiation, created new molecules. These molecules, called quinones, received considerable attention by the astrobiology community because they are common to all life forms. They are potentially significant for the "origin of life" or the habitability of planets. How does a planet become habitable? "Molecules from space helped to make the Earth the pleasant place that it is today," said Allamandola, founder of the Ames Astrochemistry Laboratory. "Our findings were new because we showed how these molecules formed. It was already known that these molecules were in meteorites and delivered to the planets," said Bernstein. "We now understand why these life-like carbon compounds are raining down on the Earth and other planets. Knowing this will help us search for life on other worlds by distinguishing these molecules from biomarkers," said Bernstein. For further information, please read: Bernstein, Max P., Scott A. Sanford, Louis Allamandola, J. Seb Gillette, Simon J. Clemett and Richard N. Zare. "UV Irradiation of Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons in Ices: Production of Alcohols, Quinones, and Ethers" Science 283 (1999): 1135 - 1138 (). McKay, David S., et al. "Search for Past Life on Mars: Possible Relic Biogenic Activity in Martian Meteorite ALH84001" Science 273 (1996): 924-930 (). For further NASA and Ames Astrochemistry Laboratory information, please visit: http://www.nasa.gov and http://www.astrochem.org/ Ruth Dasso Marlaire NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 25 16:27:25 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Astronomers Compare Meteors to Spacecraft Re-entry (Jules Verne Reentry) Message-ID: <200809252027.NAA18063@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2008/08_84AR.html Rachel Prucey Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif. 650-604-0643 rachel.l.prucey at nasa.gov Michael Braukus NASA Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1979 michael.j.braukus at nasa.gov Clare Mattok European Space Agency, Paris 33-1-5369-7412 clare.mattok at esa.int Sept. 24, 2008 MEDIA ADVISORY : 08_84AR NASA Astronomers Compare Meteors to Spacecraft Re-entry MOFFETT FIELD, Calif. -- A group of astronomers from NASA, the European Space Agency (ESA) and other institutions will take to the skies to observe the re-entry of ESA's "Jules Verne" Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV) as it falls back to Earth from the International Space Station on Sept. 29, 2008. An Ames research aircraft will take off from Moffett Field, Calif., and a Douglas DC-8 airborne laboratory will depart from NASA's Dryden Aircraft Operations Facility at Palmdale, Calif., on Friday, Sept. 26, 2008 to fly more than 30 scientists and their instruments over the South Pacific Ocean in ideal and virtually unchanging conditions far above light pollution and clouds. NASA's primary goal during the lengthy airborne mission is to study the re-entry and fragmentation of ESA's "Jules Verne" ATV spacecraft to gain insight and find similarities to meteor fragmentation. This observation campaign is similar to the January 2006 Stardust and September 2004 Genesis spacecraft re-entry airborne campaigns, in which NASA scientists studied the levels of radiation, light and out-gassing of the descending spacecraft, to better understand meteor radiation mechanisms. Another goal is to validate the computer models astronomers use to predict how an object will fragment and disperse as it enters Earth's atmosphere. NASA astronomers made similar airborne studies for the January 2008 Quadrantid and September 2007 Aurigid meteor showers to determine when they peaked and how they were formed. Peter Jenniskens, the observation campaign principal investigator, at NASA Ames Research Center and the SETI Institute, Mountain View, Calif., and Dave Jordan, observation campaign project manager, at NASA Ames will be available for telephone interviews, 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. PDT, Thursday, Sept. 25, 2008. To schedule an interview please contact Rachel Prucey, public affairs specialist, at 650-604-0643. For more information on NASA and its programs, visit: http://www.nasa.gov For more information about the ???Jules Verne??? airborne observation campaign, visit: http://atv.seti.org/ - end - From raremeteorites at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 16:56:57 2008 From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Semi-Famous Meteorites For Sale Message-ID: <543289.84256.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ruben and other List members, I would be careful about selling California meteorites found on BLM land. I was told by the BLM that it is illegal to collect meteorites in California on federal lands for comercial purposes. I thought you were involved with some of these warnings. They do monitor eBay and Google. I have been sternly warned about selling meteorites found on California dry lake beds. I donated the Ransburg iron Main Mass becuase of such warnings. Best Regards, Adam From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Sep 25 17:50:55 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Stardust Capsule To Go On Display At Smithsonian Message-ID: <200809252150.OAA22393@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Sept. 25, 2008 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov William P. Jeffs Johnson Space Center, Houston 281-483-5111 william.p.jeffs at nasa.gov D.C. Agle Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-393-9011 agle at jpl.nasa.gov RELEASE: 08-245 NASA STARDUST CAPSULE TO GO ON DISPLAY AT SMITHSONIAN WASHINGTON -- Having returned the world's first particles from a comet, NASA's Stardust sample return capsule will join the collection of flight icons in the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum in Washington. The capsule will go on public display in the museum's Milestones of Flight Gallery on Oct. 1, the 50th anniversary of NASA. Stardust, comprising a spacecraft and capsule, completed a seven-year, 3-billion-mile journey in 2006. A tennis racket-like, aerogel-lined collector was extended to capture particles as the spacecraft flew within 150 miles of comet Wild 2 in January 2004. Carrying the collected particles, the capsule returned to Earth Jan. 15, 2006, landing in Utah. Two days later, it was transported to a curatorial facility at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. "Very few people get to build something, launch it into space, see it be successful and then get it back in their hands," said Karen McNamara, Johnson recovery lead for the Stardust mission. "To be able to share this with the public is phenomenal." The capsule joins the Wright brothers' 1903 Flyer, Charles Lindbergh's Spirit of St. Louis and the Apollo 11 command module Columbia that carried the first men to walk on the moon. "The Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum is delighted to add to the National Collection the Stardust return capsule," said Roger Launius, senior curator of the Division of Space History at the museum. "As one of the premier space science missions of the recent past, Stardust will take its place alongside other iconic objects from the history of air and spaceflight. I look forward to helping to impart more knowledge to our visitors about the makeup of the universe using this significant and path breaking object." Hardware provided to the Smithsonian includes actual flight components. Elements relevant to the science goals of the mission remain with NASA. After successfully completing its mission, Stardust will use its flight-proven hardware to perform a new, previously unplanned investigation. The mission, called Stardust-NExT, will revisit comet 9P/Tempel 1. This investigation will provide the first look at the changes to a comet nucleus produced after a close approach to the sun. It also will mark the first time a comet ever has been revisited. "Usually, when a piece of your spacecraft goes into the Smithsonian that means the mission's over," said Stardust-NExT project manager Rick Grammier, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "But the Stardust spacecraft is still doing the job for NASA and in February 2011, it will fly within 120 miles of the comet." Stardust is a low-cost, Discovery Program mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the project. Joseph Veverka of Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y., is the mission's principal investigator. Lockheed Martin Space Systems of Denver manages mission operations. For information about the Stardust mission on the Web, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/stardust Images of the Stardust capsule being prepared for shipment can be found at: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/home/stardust.html NASA Television will air Video File material to illustrate this story. For NASA TV downlink, schedule and streaming video information, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/ntv -end- From cmb62 at columbus.rr.com Thu Sep 25 17:52:24 2008 From: cmb62 at columbus.rr.com (Charley) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:52:24 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball over Ohio References: Message-ID: <6191AE9894414074B237A80CC953A997@HAL> Hi List, This morning, while driving to work, I saw a beautiful green fireball. Here are the details: Time: 6:23 a.m. ET My location: 40 deg, 25', 2.35" N , 82 deg, 46', 30.67" W (per Google Earth) I was westbound on Ohio 229 about 1 mile east of Marengo when I saw the fireball. The road appears to be "true"east-west where I was located (again per Google Earth) It came from my "blind spot" (from behind and to my right) and appeared to be traveling from Northeast to Southwest. I saw it for about 3 or 4 seconds before it quickly faded (there were no obstructions so it didn't go behind a tree or building etc.) It was approximately 25 deg high when it disappeared and about 5 degrees to the right of my direction of travel (or at an approximate heading of 275 deg). It was light green, very round, about 1/2 to 3/4 the size of the full moon and about 2/3 the brightness of the full moon. There were no sparks, trails or smoke but it was dark so if there was smoke I would not have been able to see it. The sky was clear and sunrise occurred about an hour after I saw the fireball. I have no idea if it was a meteor or "space junk". Did anyone else see it? Best regards, Charley "Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants !" Hannibal From mark at meteorites.cc Thu Sep 25 18:32:42 2008 From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 23:32:42 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Semi-Famous Meteorites For Sale In-Reply-To: <991778.13308.qm@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <991778.13308.qm@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48DC118A.6060401@meteorites.cc> So is the link broken, or removed on the back of Adam's reply? Mark Ruben Garcia wrote: > Hi all, > I have a few "Semi-Famous" Meteorites for sale. > > Take a look and email me of list..... > > http://www.mr-meteorite.com/famousmeteorites4sale.htm > > Ruben Garcia > Phoenix, Arizona > http://www.mr-meteorite.com > http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v > > -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 19:01:11 2008 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:01:11 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Worlds in Collision References: <200809221559.IAA29297@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> <4r6md4l9f1qpmtmgg1ab6h6df7egcpll5q@4ax.com> Message-ID: <0a7b01c91f62$9b7cc030$264de146@ATARIENGINE> Hi, All, The press release says: > collisions of Mercury with Earth or Venus sometime > in the next billion years or more. Of course by then the > sun will have expanded and we might be toast anyway. Not quite. When the Sun formed 4.5 billion years ago, it was only 70% as bright as now, 90% of its present diameter, and about 250 K. cooler. The Sun has been getting bigger and brighter ever since, and will continue to do so for a long time. About 1.1 billion years from now, it will be 10% brighter, and that would be enough to start a runaway Greenhouse that would eventually cause the loss of all the Earth's water out the top of the atmosphere. Of course, that far in the future, any intelligent life will easily be able to orbit a sun screen and prevent the developing catastrophe... By 3.5 billion years from now, when the Sun gets to 40% brighter than present, all the Earth's water would be gone in runaway Greenhouse if there's no intelligent life to prevent it. (And if there's no intelligent life left, does it matter?) The Earth would now resemble present-day Venus very closely. 6.35 billion years from now, the Sun's core runs out of hydrogen to burn, and the Sun starts to expand, burning the final outer layer of hydrogen. At the point the Sun starts expanding, it's 2.2 times brighter than today and 58% bigger. It turns into a Red Sub-Giant. Over the next 0.7 billion years, it gets 130% bigger but no brighter and actually cools off. The solar wind intensifies. Over the next 0.6 billion years, it will lose 28% of its mass, become 2350 times brighter and 166 times bigger than it is today, and cool down to 3100 K., 7.65 billion years from now. The sun will swallow Mercury, and fry the other inner planets, even though all that solar wind will have pushed them much further out than they are now. The solar system does get fried, but not for quite a while; it takes longer than they say. After this, the Sun's life gets really complicated. There's a "Helium Flash" when it gets hot enough to burn helium, it shrinks and heats up, then expands and cools, uses up all the helium, starts losing mass faster, then blows off much of its mass in a series of short fast pulses, and collapses into a hot little White Dwarf star with about 54% of its present mass and a diameter about the size of the Earth! There might be a short-lived nebula to delight the amateur astronomers of other species in this neck of the galaxy. I hope it's pretty. The White Dwarf Sun will cool and shine for the next 100 billion years and the next 100 billion after that and so forth, ever fainter, for a trillion years or so... But, for the next 5 or 6 billion years, we should be OK, assuming good Planetary System Management and Maintenance. (You gotta do better than we are now, though...) Therefore, avoiding collisions of the existing planets over the next billion years is important, yes, but it's not good enough. I have no idea (well, some ideas) of how you would fiddle with the dynamics of a solar system to avert collisions but I bet, a hundred million years from now, Earth Life (if there is any) will be able to manage it, just as we hope that in a century or two, we will be able to "manage" to avoid those pesky big asteroid collisions. Then, the authors are assuming that the collision of two independent Earth-sized planets is the only way to produce this much dust and debris. There is another way. Probably rare, but far from impossible, are double planets. The Earth and Moon have been called that, but the Moon only masses 1.25% of the Earth's mass. Pluto and Charon (11% of Pluto's mass) are a much better example (and would have been so defined... well, almost). Imagine a 1.35 Earth mass planet with a 0.65 Earth mass moon, in a temperate place in a solar system, with oceans of volatiles and all the rest of it. The tidal forces generated on such a locked satellite would be enormous. The smaller body would first become tidally locked to the larger, then the tidal drag would slow the rotation of the larger planet, transferring momentum to the orbit of the smaller planet and "raising" its orbit. Even the piddling force of the lunar tides will drive our Moon away eventually, but a high-mass satellite might well have its orbit "pumped up" to the point where it would escape or be perturbed free, in only a handful of billions of years. Then, there would be TWO planets sharing nearly identical orbits. This never turns out well. The short-term probability of collision is close to 100%. There are some escape scenarios: the smaller planet is ejected into an eccentric orbit but such orbits have a high probability of future collision, or possibly into a Trojan orbit, also not stable over the long term. Once any collision occurs, total rubblization of the planets involved (and any planets that stood too close) is certain. Another large-moon disaster is a large retrograde double planet. The tidal interaction takes momentum from the smaller planet's orbit and the orbit shrinks until it "crashes." Yes, the Moon falls from the sky! Aren't you glad we don't have a retrograde satellite? Perhaps all warm terrestrial double planets everywhere are a disaster waiting to happen. And, lastly, all simulations of solar system formation from the earliest days to the latest most sophisticated supercomputer models produce a certain percentage of solar systems with a large number of small terrestrial planets (and no big ones), like a gigantic zone of very large asteroids. A solar system with 10-20 planets 3000 to 8000 kilometers in diameter crammed into its inner system doesn't last very long, a few billion years, and once collisions start, the large pieces precipitate new collisions, and so on... until there's nothing left but a zone of dust and debris. There is more than one way for a solar system to go wrong. To paraphrase what Tolstoy said about families: "All happy solar systems are happy in the same way, but all unhappy solar systems are unhappy in their own way." Sterling K. Webb -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Garrison" To: "Meteorite Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Worlds in Collision http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,427023,00.html Huge Planetary Collision Left Tons of Space Debris Around a distant star, two planets similar to Earth collided and were destroyed, astronomers said today. The somewhat speculative scenario is based on the leftovers: a ring of debris around the star that includes a million times more dust than now circles our sun. "It's as if Earth and Venus collided," said researcher Benjamin Zuckerman, UCLA professor of physics and astronomy. "Astronomers have never seen anything like this before. Apparently, major catastrophic collisions can take place in a fully mature planetary system." The researchers used X-ray data and other observations of a star called BD+20 307. They had assumed it was a young star, just a few hundred million years old, and the debris was leftovers from planet formation. But earlier this year, another study showed the star was actually a binary pair, and that the stars were billions of years old. So why all the debris? The dust is about the same distance from the stellar pair as Earth is from the sun, and given current theories of planet formation, that debris should have been swept up into planets by now or pushed away by stellar radiation. It simply shouldn't be there. A colossal collision must have created all that dust sometime in the past few hundred thousand years and perhaps much more recently, the astronomers figure. It would have been a whopper. "If any life was present on either planet, the massive collision would have wiped out everything in a matter of minutes - the ultimate extinction event," said Gregory Henry, an astronomer at Tennessee State University (TSU) who worked with Zuckerman on the research. "A massive disk of infrared-emitting dust circling the star provides silent testimony to this sad fate." To put the collision into context, Zuckerman said: "By contrast with the massive crash in the BD+20 307 system, the collision of an asteroid with Earth 65 million years ago, the most favored explanation for the final demise of the dinosaurs, was a mere pipsqueak." The work was funded by the National Science Foundation and NASA, and also by TSU and the State of Tennessee. It will be detailed in the December issue of the Astrophysical Journal. The conclusion has the astronomers thinking about home. "This poses two very interesting questions," said TSU astronomer Francis Fekel. "How do planetary orbits become destabilized in such an old, mature system, and could such a collision happen in our own solar system?" It has already happened here, in fact. Our moon is thought to have been created when a Mars-sized object slammed into Earth. Henry points out that computer models done by other researchers suggest that as planets in our solar system migrate over time, there is a "small probability for collisions of Mercury with Earth or Venus sometime in the next billion years or more." Of course by then the sun will have expanded and we might be toast anyway. ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 19:59:54 2008 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:59:54 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] ESAs artificial meteorite probes panspermia References: <20080925094022.36570@gmx.net> <3FCB97FD-D174-4C66-B880-2D70C1CF6933@montrose.net> Message-ID: <141901c91f6a$cecb1560$264de146@ATARIENGINE> Mike, List, The publication you almost remember is: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19960027473_1996032004.pdf And there is a C. Floss published in it, but the author you are thinking of is Monica Grady of NHM, London: "It seems likely, though, that meteorite curators through the ages, having been presented with a fossiliferous sedimentary rock, would probably not have been able to assess the true nature of such a terrestrial meteorite (notwithstanding the protestations of the owner). How many of these types of sample have been returned to sender? More pertinently perhaps, how many such samples are still preserved in traditional collections?" This was in 1996. Whether anybody looked in their old drawers, boxes, and shelves... who knows? I cited this in a pair of posts on sedimentary meteorites on May 30 and 31, 2008, along with a lot of other references to "possible" sedimentary meteorites. You can find it in the List Archives, in the thread "Just Another Question." Sterling K. Webb ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Murray" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ESAs artificial meteorite probes panspermia Wasn't there a lady professor that wrote an article a while back on the possibility of there being atypical appearing meteorites and we might be overlooking them? I realize that is somewhat of a wide-open question but to possibly narrow it down a bit, the name Prof. C. Floss seems to come to mind in my remembering this article. Seems like it had to do with mantle or lack of meteorites from a certain layer, or something similar. Anyone else remember this article? I'd like to read it again if I could come up with the link. Mike On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Darren Garrison wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:40:22 +0200, you wrote: > >> Hello list, >> >> an artificial meteorite shows that sedimentary martian soil could >> reach earth, but possible microbes would get killed by the >> atmosferic flight: >> >> http://www.europlanet-eu.org/demo/index.php? >> option=com_content&task=view&id=123&Itemid=41 > > The more interesting part of the experiment, to me, is the > production of "creamy > white fusion crusts". Wonder how many Martian sedementary > meteorites (and old > Earthites) have been passed over in the deserts because they were > "the wrong > color"? > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080925083252.htm > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mlblood at cox.net Thu Sep 25 22:18:17 2008 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:18:17 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Is the list "up?" Message-ID: Hellooooooooo From John at Cabassi.net Thu Sep 25 22:20:36 2008 From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:20:36 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Is the list "up?" References: Message-ID: <006b01c91f7e$784ca8c0$4564fea9@TITAN> G'Day Michael Seems fine to me. Cheers Johnno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael L Blood" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Is the list "up?" > Hellooooooooo > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cynapse at charter.net Thu Sep 25 22:21:56 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:21:56 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Is the list "up?" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:18:17 -0700, you wrote: >Hellooooooooo > This better not be Viagra spam. From mlblood at cox.net Thu Sep 25 22:31:58 2008 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:31:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD In-Reply-To: <006b01c91f7e$784ca8c0$4564fea9@TITAN> Message-ID: Well, OK then: No one seems to be interacting with the list, but Here goes.... I ordered a bunch of a meteorite originally named "Mali," then called "Erg Chech" and now officially called Chergach. Fell in the summer of 2007 in Chergach, Erg Chech in the Timbuktu district of the Republic of Mali. The material on the market is prized due to being a witnessed fall and having rich black fusion crust with a fresh, white interior showing in broken sections. I originally paid $5/g for a lot "wholesale," though I have seen it offered for $4/g. I have a very nice shipment that just arrived and I am offering the 5 remaining pieces for $2.25/g for specimens with nearly100% FC and $2/g for specimens with a broken side. I do not believe anyone will ever see this material again for these prices and I will be offering it (if any don't sell) in my catalog at a considerably higher price. So, list members now have a very rare chance to get a nice, big, fresh stone for your collection at the price you now have to pay for highly weathered, unidentified NWA material. (PS: Some of the cut slices and end pieces of this material have shown distinct impact melt brecciation, though none of this material has any cut surfaces, so, I have no idea what a cut section would be like). When ordering, I suggest you name at least ONE alternate, as I suspect these will go very quickly at this price: SEE SPECIMENS AT: http://community.webshots.com/photo/2293914970035542431qhFDNZ Specimens Nearly 100% FC ($2.25/g SALE) 257g = SALE = 576- 500g = SOLD 1,077g = SALE =2,425- (Great regmaglypting) Specimens with broken side ($2/g SALE) 117g = SALE = 230- 300g = SOLD 338g = SALE = 675- 708g = SALE = 1,416- if you can't see the photos at: http://community.webshots.com/photo/2293914970035542431qhFDNZ and are interested, email me off list and I will send you an attachment. Best wishes, Michael From mlblood at cox.net Thu Sep 25 22:33:51 2008 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:33:51 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Message-ID: Well, OK then: I am not getting my own posts - and no one seems to be interacting with the list, but here goes.... I ordered a bunch of a meteorite originally named "Mali," then called "Erg Chech" and now officially called Chergach. Fell in the summer of 2007 in Chergach, Erg Chech in the Timbuktu district of the Republic of Mali. The material on the market is prized due to being a witnessed fall and having rich black fusion crust with a fresh, white interior showing in broken sections. I originally paid $5/g for a lot "wholesale," though I have seen it offered for $4/g. I have a very nice shipment that just arrived and I am offering the 5 remaining pieces for $2.25/g for specimens with nearly100% FC and $2/g for specimens with a broken side. I do not believe anyone will ever see this material again for these prices and I will be offering it (if any don't sell) in my catalog at a considerably higher price. So, list members now have a very rare chance to get a nice, big, fresh stone for your collection at the price you now have to pay for highly weathered, unidentified NWA material. (PS: Some of the cut slices and end pieces of this material have shown distinct impact melt brecciation, though none of this material has any cut surfaces, so, I have no idea what a cut section would be like). When ordering, I suggest you name at least ONE alternate, as I suspect these will go very quickly at this price: SEE SPECIMENS AT: http://community.webshots.com/photo/2293914970035542431qhFDNZ Specimens Nearly 100% FC ($2.25/g SALE) 257g = SALE = 576- 500g = SOLD 1,077g = SALE =2,425- (Great regmaglypting) Specimens with broken side ($2/g SALE) 117g = SALE = 230- 300g = SOLD 338g = SALE = 675- 708g = SALE = 1,416- if you can't see the photos at: http://community.webshots.com/photo/2293914970035542431qhFDNZ and are interested, email me off list and I will send you an attachment. Best wishes, Michael From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de Fri Sep 26 05:22:00 2008 From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (Meteorite-Recon.com) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:22:00 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] looking to buy Campos Sales L5 chondrite - AD Message-ID: <10789912.64191222420920361.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Good day list, perhaps there is someone who can offer me a fairly fresh 50g -200g individual or fragment of the Campos Sales L5 chondrite? thanks for your offers in advance Svend www.meteorite-recon.com From albireo3000 at yahoo.es Fri Sep 26 09:02:36 2008 From: albireo3000 at yahoo.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Francisco_Oca=F1a?=) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:02:36 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Nickel-test Message-ID: <48DCDD6C.4070609@yahoo.es> Hello list, I have read many websites and previous posts about the nickel test with DMG. I am looking for a kit with all the components. Is there any website or ebay shop? Has someone bought and tried any nickel allergy test? Thanks! Paco Oca?a From darryl at dof3.com Fri Sep 26 09:12:00 2008 From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:12:00 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Nickel-test In-Reply-To: <48DCDD6C.4070609@yahoo.es> References: <48DCDD6C.4070609@yahoo.es> Message-ID: <87F057A2-81CA-4AFD-8CD9-5EB9C21A99E4@dof3.com> Hi there! Try Nickel Alert by Athena Allergy Inc. CAVEAT: Apply a dilute acid to the meteorite's surface before using this test. I've twice experienced false-negatives prior to the acid wash. All best to you you and good luck! Darryl On Sep 26, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Francisco Oca?a wrote: > Hello list, > > I have read many websites and previous posts about the nickel test > with DMG. I am looking for a kit with all the components. Is there > any website or ebay shop? Has someone bought and tried any nickel > allergy test? > > Thanks! > > Paco Oca?a > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From almitt at kconline.com Fri Sep 26 10:28:34 2008 From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitterling) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:28:34 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Nickel-test In-Reply-To: <48DCDD6C.4070609@yahoo.es> References: <48DCDD6C.4070609@yahoo.es> Message-ID: Greetings Paco, I agree with Darryl and the advise he gave you. Also if you would refer to O. Richard Norton's and Chitwood's book "Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites" They offer a number of home recipe's, using common house hold items that are easily attainable for checking probable meteorites. All my best and good luck! --AL Mitterling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Oca?a" To: "meteorite-list" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Nickel-test Hello list, I have read many websites and previous posts about the nickel test with DMG. I am looking for a kit with all the components. Is there any website or ebay shop? Has someone bought and tried any nickel allergy test? Thanks! Paco Oca?a From albireo3000 at yahoo.es Fri Sep 26 09:58:35 2008 From: albireo3000 at yahoo.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Francisco_Oca=F1a?=) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:58:35 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Nickel-test In-Reply-To: References: <48DCDD6C.4070609@yahoo.es> Message-ID: <48DCEA8B.5000604@yahoo.es> Thank you Al! I was still amazing with the photographs, not reading it! In page 249 and followings there are some methods! So the problem now is to get theDMG! hehe. Any idea? Anyway perhaps it is easier to get the allergy test (~30$ with shipping). Thanks! al mitterling escribi?: > Greetings Paco, > > I agree with Darryl and the advise he gave you. Also if you would > refer to O. Richard Norton's and Chitwood's book "Field Guide to > Meteors and Meteorites" They offer a number of home recipe's, using > common house hold items that are easily attainable for checking > probable meteorites. All my best and good luck! > > --AL Mitterling > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Oca?a" > > To: "meteorite-list" > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:02 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Nickel-test > > > Hello list, > > I have read many websites and previous posts about the nickel test with > DMG. I am looking for a kit with all the components. Is there any > website or ebay shop? Has someone bought and tried any nickel allergy > test? > > Thanks! > > Paco Oca?a > > __________ Informaci?n de NOD32, revisi?n 3472 (20080925) __________ > > Este mensaje ha sido analizado con NOD32 antivirus system > http://www.nod32.com > > > From wahlperry at aol.com Fri Sep 26 11:28:44 2008 From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:28:44 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Caution! This is what happens when you watch Old Western Movies Message-ID: <8CAEE03B225DFFE-A44-319A@WEBMAIL-MY21.sysops.aol.com> Hi List, Warning, never stay up late watching Clint Eastwood movies while reviewing meteorite hunting footage taken the day before. I would tell you more about the video but I have to find my camcorder. I think my wife hid it after watching the video! I have been having a lot of fun with my new video camera out in the filed. If any of you are interested in seeing the Southwest deserts you can click on the link below. Sonny http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=sonnyclary From rlenssen at planet.nl Fri Sep 26 13:20:08 2008 From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:20:08 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: complete set of Meteorite Magazine References: <2B1FC43B6DCA435D96F8816BEA7BF195@EIGENAARNJEQJY> Message-ID: Dear List, Mainly to inform the List member who made me an offer, and cannot be reached by Email (keeps bouncing): Your offer wasn't the highest, the set has found a new owner. Thanks, Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: complete set of Meteorite Magazine > Dear List, > > In order to raise some serious money, to buy a special meteorite specimen, > I decided to offer my complete set of Meteorite Magazine for sale. > I could do this by ebay, but decided to offer it to you List members > first. > > The set contains all 55 magazines ever published. From the first one in > Feb. 1995, upto and including the latest one: Volume 14 No. 3 in 2008. > > I just checked the magazines, and they are all in very good condition, > except for a sellotape repaired tear in the cover of Feb. 1999, and some > damage by water to > May 2006 (a little crumpled, but perfectly readable). > > If you are interested, please make me an off-List offer I cannot resist. > The set will not go cheap, and will go to the highest reasonable offer. > Buyer pays actual shipping costs (approx. 10kg). > > Grap this change to complete your set now you can! > Best Regards, > Rob Lenssen > The Netherlands > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 13:41:56 2008 From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:41:56 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay auctions ending soon Message-ID: <6f9da8300809261041te23de97w7c57b1ceeff2943e@mail.gmail.com> Hi All I have 25 auctions ending in just over 6 hours. It has been a while since I have done one so I tried to add some interesting items. Several of the auctions are still at the opening bid of 95 cents! All 25 auctions http://tinyurl.com/4zlenp Three excellent Chergach stones with bids of 10 cents to 60 cents per gram! http://tinyurl.com/4qs8ep An 80% crusted 59 g Juancheng stone at 60 cents per gram! http://cgi.ebay.com/Juancheng-H5-59-13-g-China-fall-whole-stone-Meteorite_W0QQitemZ190253412249 A 0.75 g original Mike Farmer NWA 1939 at only $5/g http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-1939-Howardite-0-75-g-Meteorite_W0QQitemZ200256044742 Two unusually shaped Sikhotes between 10 cents and 50 cents per gram. http://cgi.ebay.com/Sikhote-Alin-Iron-IIAB-Fall-25-98-g-iron-Meteorite_W0QQitemZ190253412321 http://cgi.ebay.com/Sikhote-Alin-Iron-IIAB-Fall-27-31-g-iron-Meteorite_W0QQitemZ190253412329 A 138 g Seymchan with some olivine at around 50 cents a gram! http://cgi.ebay.com/Seymchan-Pallasite-whole-slice-138-0-g-Meteorite_W0QQitemZ190253412296 A 10.8 g slice of Thuathe for just over 25 cents per gram. http://cgi.ebay.com/Thuathe-H4-5-Fall-10-84-g-Meteorite_W0QQitemZ190253412362 Plus several still at 95 cents. I also have several other items in my store. Here is the list of meteorites; http://tinyurl.com/4dp9ac -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 USA 720-949-6220 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 14:55:15 2008 From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] My thanks - I found it. :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <450688.73195.qm@web58407.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I would like to thank everyone on the list who responded to my recent call for a piece of meteorite jewelry. I had a FLOOD of responses - it was crazy. So, instead of spending the next 2 hours answering each response individually, I would like to take the easy way out and thank everyone en masse via this post. My sincere thanks to everyone who offered specimens, advice, or alternatives. I found what I was looking for. :) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .......................................................... From m_graul at yahoo.de Fri Sep 26 15:29:00 2008 From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:29:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: large 2800g Campo full slice on ebay Message-ID: <35226.44342.qm@web26301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello List, in 24 hours ends on ebay my great full slice from Campo del Cielo. This slice is cut from a 121kg individual. Is beautiful, large and stable. The auction was 0.99 cent starts. I have only this one slice in this size for sale. If anyone is interested in, here is the link. http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-CAMPO-DEL-CIELO-large-XXXL-full-slice-2800g_W0QQitemZ300260352259QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item300260352259&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1308&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Thank you for your interest, Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) Web: www.meteorite-mirko.de __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com From jeffkrosschell at comcast.net Fri Sep 26 16:55:37 2008 From: jeffkrosschell at comcast.net (Jeff Krosschell) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:55:37 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: All NWA 5000 slices made availble! Message-ID: <636E4C7493B04C788CF25A21D8443B06@JeffVistaPC> Hello List Members, We would like to first introduce ourselves to you. My husband, Jeff, and I became involved with meteorites last year when we partnered with Adam Hup? in bringing home a beautiful and breathtaking meteorite, Northwest Africa 5000. We absolutely fell in love with meteorites and are excited about our new venture. Just this week we reopened our eBay store, Kalani_oftheheavens, making available all of the remaining Northwest Africa 5000 slices, most have not been on display until now. You may have seen some of these slices this year at Anne Black?s room in Tucson, where we first announced NWA 5000. We invite you to browse through our store and see all that is left, especially if you were unable to visit Tucson last year. We currently have several auctions up on eBay listed at 99 cents that Adam Hup? announced for us earlier last week. Unfortunately, and for reasons unknown to us, the auction listings did not show up in a timely fashion. Please be patient with us as we work out the eBay kinks. We will be running weekly Sunday auctions, so please stop by frequently to see what we have, there may be some surprises! Jeff and I are ?over the moon? about NWA 5000 and we feel quite fortunate to be part of the meteorite community. Our mission is to uphold the same standards you have come to expect while working with IMCA members. We look forward to getting to know you all in the coming months. Here is a link to our eBay store, kalani_oftheheavens: http://stores.ebay.com/KALANI-OF-THE-HEAVENS Best Wishes, Malia Kalani Krosschell and Jeff Krosschell IMCA #0146 From mfcollecter at yahoo.com Fri Sep 26 22:01:19 2008 From: mfcollecter at yahoo.com (Said Haddany) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Test Message-ID: <400701.34040.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Test , delet please ? Said Haddany From cynapse at charter.net Sat Sep 27 02:10:55 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:10:55 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] YACT (yet another Carancas topic) In-Reply-To: <636E4C7493B04C788CF25A21D8443B06@JeffVistaPC> References: <636E4C7493B04C788CF25A21D8443B06@JeffVistaPC> Message-ID: <3djrd4lq3oi9u931tn1jco68s7dm1oime9@4ax.com> The strength of the material and the size at impact both seem kinda odd to me, though. http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/36924/title/Tough_meteorite_made_a_big_impact Tough meteorite made a big impact By Sid Perkins Web edition : Friday, September 26th, 2008 The blast from the Peruvian 2007 impact was the same as two tons of TNT Scientists have crunched the numbers for the September 2007 meteorite that landed in the Andes and suggest that the larger than normal impact crater resulted from the object?s unusually high speed. Most stony objects that blaze through Earth?s atmosphere are blasted to bits by air resistance at high altitude (SN: 11/23/02, p. 323). Because the meteorite that struck eastern Peru on September 15 landed intact, its minerals must have been stronger than those typically found in similar extraterrestrial objects, says Peter Brown, an astronomer at the University of Western Ontario in London, Ontario. He and his colleagues report the first comprehensive analysis of the 2007 impact in an upcoming Journal of Geophysical Research?Planets. Data gathered by infrasonic sensors ? part of the worldwide system designed to detect atmospheric pressure waves from nuclear explosions ? indicate that the object entered the atmosphere from the east-northeast at a speed of around 12 kilometers per second. By the time the object slammed into the high ground of the Andes ? at an elevation of 3,800 meters, where the air is much thinner than it is at sea level ? it probably was traveling no more than 4 kilometers per second, the researchers estimate. Still, the team?s analyses indicate that, had the object struck somewhere near sea level, air resistance would have further slowed the body?s speed to below 1 kilometer per second. The meteorite probably measured about 1 meter across and weighed about 1.5 metric tons when it reached the ground. Because the impact speed of the object was abnormally high, the crater it gouged ? about 13.5 meters across ? was larger than the average crater created by a other meteorites of its size. The energy released by the 2007 impact, which flung rocks and soil as far as 200 meters from the crater, was equal to that generated by exploding more than two tons of TNT, Brown and his colleagues estimate. From zneutronz at aol.com Sat Sep 27 05:53:53 2008 From: zneutronz at aol.com (zneutronz at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:53:53 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] donation sale Message-ID: <8CAEE9E159208C4-2B8-550B@WEBMAIL-MY32.sysops.aol.com> hello all ! i have to apologize for so many postings, but you all know the reason and circumstances for selling this meteorites. you would be a big help, so i i hope the last 3 sepcimens will be sold soon. thanks!!!! oliver - NWA4925, shergottite, 1.956g, partslice - Dhofar 310, lunar, 0.352g - NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut anybody interested ???????????????????? Chiang Khan 63.4g, oriented 100% crust, individual is SOLD Chiang Khan 27.5g is SOLD see these specimens here http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/ thanks, oliver Dear meteorite friends! Once again I need to tell you about a tragedy here in Thailand and I hope that you can help us out. A short time ago, my long-time friend and companion of many Chiang Khan expeditions drowned in the Mekhong river. Mr Tim has left his wife and several children behind, who have now lost the primary breadwinner. Friends of Mr Tim's informed me about the financial crises that the family is in. Mr Tim was a loyal and honest travel companion on many of my expeditions, and we had become good friends. For this reason my wife and I have tried to help Mr Tim's wife and family and have financed a small grocery store. This should help support the family. The total sum we gave towards the store was around Thai Baht 470,000, or around Euro 9,500. We have scrounged up2 0this sum o urselves, even our 4-year- old daughter had to plunder her bank account. To recoup this money, which20we now miss dearly, I have decided to sell the last few larger specimens in my collection. Amongst these pieces are two larger Chian Kahn specimens (all the remaining pieces are under 5g). A museum specimen, very unusual, 27.5g. For this exceptional piece I am asking 90 Euro/g. The second item is a 100% crusted, beautifully oriented Chiang Kahn, 63.4g. Here I am asking for 45 Euro/g. Also Offered are the following pieces: * NWA4925, shergottite, 1.956g, partslice * Dhofar 310, lunar, 0.352g * NWA4483, lunar, 5.612g, endcut Please see these specimens here: http://fotocenter.aol.de/galleries/zneutronz/ As I have mentioned, we hope to achieve Euro 9,500 with these sales. We trust that you will support us in light of the circumstances of this sale. Thank you so much for your time and consideration, Regards , Oliver IMCA#6131 Oliver Alge Calle Las Artes, Loc. 2 Res. Costa Caleta 38679 La Caleta, Tenerife Islas Canarias, Espa?a phone : 0034-922 711 831 email : ZneutronZ at aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL eMail auf Ihrem Handy! Ab sofort k?nnen Sie auch unterwegs Ihre AOL email abrufen. Registrieren Sie sich jetzt kostenlos. From mlblood at cox.net Sat Sep 27 06:53:35 2008 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:53:35 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Last Chergach AD Message-ID: Only 2 Chergach specimens left, yet two of The nicer ones and only $2/g for ultra fresh, BLACK Fusion Crusted - much nicer than The photos show - and they look good in the Photo. 338g = SALE = 675- 708g = SALE = 1,416- See at: http://community.webshots.com/photo/2795478550035542431gHDWjP If link doesn't work for you, email me and I will Send attached jpg. Best wishes, Michael Important info on Govnt. Spending(BEFORE current "Bail Out proposal): http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sat Sep 27 09:16:58 2008 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:16:58 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 27, 2008 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_27_2008.html **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From mlblood at cox.net Sat Sep 27 17:54:44 2008 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael L Blood) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:54:44 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Good Photos Message-ID: Hi All, Don't know why I am not getting list posts, but Apparently mine are going out. Anyway, took some GOOD photos which are worth Seeing just for the enjoyment of seeing nice photos of Nice specimens: http://community.webshots.com/album/567174250 Best wishes, Michael Important info on Govnt. Spending(BEFORE current "Bail Out proposal): http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GvntSpending.htm From mpg444 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 27 21:28:48 2008 From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Thank You Steve Arnold Message-ID: <304824.79290.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Please see the following message from George Zay. He is still not able to post to the list. Everyone have a good night. Mike p.s. Thanks for asking me George. I am always happy to help you. --- On Sat, 9/27/08, GeoZay at aol.com wrote: > > Hello all! > I just want to say thanks on the list to Steve Arnold for > sending me a nice > 13 gram end cut of an unclassified North West African > meteorite. It's mighty > kind of him to share some of these treasures to strangers. > It was very much > appreciated. If any of you come across Steve at one of > those shows or what have > you...give him a hearty pat on the back for me, will ya. > George Zay > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your > real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and > information, tips and > calculators. > (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From mikewren at gilanet.com Sat Sep 27 22:29:21 2008 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:29:21 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: EBAY STORE SALE 20% to 25% Off & Auction Highlights Message-ID: <20080928022929.5538F10536@mailwash5.pair.com> I have a 20% to 25% Off Sale Running in my Ebay Store, and Auction Highlights .Over $5,000.00+ Items started out at 0.99 cents! Here are some Highlights for this weeks Auctions Worth A Look! MAIN STORE LINK: http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store? CHECK THESE OUT! Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 8.08g, This is a great specimen! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256823325 Very Rare INDIAN VALLEY, Va., IIAB Iron,0.86g, Only Specimen I Have! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257324165 Extremely Rare OGALLALA, Nebraska, IAB Iron, Only Piece I have as well super rare! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257322327 CANYON DIABLO Graphite Nodule Endcut, 142.28g, You Got To See This One started out at 0.99 cents! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257290207 Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 16g, Worth 1k+, A Fine Fine Offering! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257188870 Beautiful Iron, Sweden, MUONIONALUSTA, 214g, This Slice Is Really Rare Due To Its Inclusion! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257186193 Rare Ungrouped Ataxite, TISHOMINGO, Ok, 29g, Only Slice I Have Of This Rare Iron Nice One Too! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257076716 (NEW), LA LUZ, New Mexico, H4, LTKW, 6.35g, When My Listed Specimens Are Gone That Is It! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256823876 Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 141g, I am getting down to the last slices! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256824846 A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 1886g, This Is A LARGE, LARGE, LARGE Specimen! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256825567 Super Rare GEORGETOWN, Australia, 12.38 gram, One of Last Specimens Available! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257052110 Rare SANTA APOLONIA, Mexico, IIIAB Iron,0.97g, Only One I have of this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256828305 Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 41.02 gram, Take A Look! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256831057 A Classic, OZONA, Texas, H6 Chondrite, 15.30g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256827233 Specimen of CAMEL DONGA, Eucrite, Australia, Nice part slice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256832705 Super Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 2g, Check This Beauty Out! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256826587 (NEW), NWA 5054, Wholesale Lot, L5, 520g , My Last Lot! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200256826304 Super Rare FOREST VALE, Australian Fall, H4, Only Specimen I Have Pretty Rare! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257053059 Very Rare DHOFAR 007,Cumulate Eucrite, 3.21g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257053770 CANYON DIABLO Individual, 324 gram, A Nice Big Specimen! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257054431 (New) NWA 4881, Lunar Feldspathic Specimen http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257056550 One of THE RAREST- HONOLULU, Hawaii, 0.153g, MY VERY LAST SPECIMEN TO OFFER.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257061177 Complete Slice, (NEW), NWA 4978, L5, 58.47g, Last Specimen To Offer! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257064274 The LAHOMA, Beautiful L5 From Ok. 27.20g Lot, Last Specimens! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200257068603 Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From impaktnamen at gmx.de Sun Sep 28 07:57:14 2008 From: impaktnamen at gmx.de (Monika Kumlehn de Mamani) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:57:14 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <20080928115714.72430@gmx.net> Hallo list, our compilation "impaktnamen" (http://www.impaktnamen.de) - a list of names of meteorites, impacts/craters, fireballs/bolides and tektites in the solar system - is now completed by a alphabetical list of these names arranged by the (terrestrial) regions and the (extraterrestrial) bodies (file: an5, 78 pages) and lists of the terrestrial names in chronological order day-by-day (file: an6c, 212 pages) and arranged by classes and regions (file: an6k, 98 pages). The bibliography (files: eqa to eqz) contains now about 4100 references. We are thankful for additions and corrections. Monika. -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal f?r Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From almitt at kconline.com Sun Sep 28 09:41:24 2008 From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitterling) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:41:24 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Thank You Steve Arnold In-Reply-To: <304824.79290.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <304824.79290.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi George, Which Steve Arnold are you talking about?? There are two of them. --AL Mitterling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Groetz" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:28 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Thank You Steve Arnold > Please see the following message from George Zay. He is still not able > to post to the list. > > Everyone have a good night. > Mike > p.s. Thanks for asking me George. I am always happy to help you. > > > --- On Sat, 9/27/08, GeoZay at aol.com wrote: >> >> Hello all! >> I just want to say thanks on the list to Steve Arnold for >> sending me a nice >> 13 gram end cut of an unclassified North West African >> meteorite. It's mighty >> kind of him to share some of these treasures to strangers. >> It was very much >> appreciated. If any of you come across Steve at one of >> those shows or what have >> you...give him a hearty pat on the back for me, will ya. >> George Zay >> >> >> >> **************Looking for simple solutions to your >> real-life financial >> challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and >> information, tips and >> calculators. >> (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sun Sep 28 09:37:13 2008 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:37:13 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 28, 2008 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_28_2008.html **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From psc2410xi at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 10:20:04 2008 From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 07:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Thank You Steve Arnold In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <329089.97724.qm@web59313.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Probably the one from Chicago who gives meteorites away. Don Rawlings --- On Sun, 9/28/08, al mitterling wrote: > From: al mitterling > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Thank You Steve Arnold > To: mpg444 at yahoo.com, "Meteorite List" > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 9:41 AM > Hi George, > > Which Steve Arnold are you talking about?? There are two of > them. > > --AL Mitterling > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Groetz" > To: "Meteorite List" > > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:28 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Thank You Steve Arnold > > > > Please see the following message from George Zay. > He is still not able > > to post to the list. > > > > Everyone have a good night. > > Mike > > p.s. Thanks for asking me George. I am always happy to > help you. > > > > > > --- On Sat, 9/27/08, GeoZay at aol.com > wrote: > >> > >> Hello all! > >> I just want to say thanks on the list to Steve > Arnold for > >> sending me a nice > >> 13 gram end cut of an unclassified North West > African > >> meteorite. It's mighty > >> kind of him to share some of these treasures to > strangers. > >> It was very much > >> appreciated. If any of you come across Steve at > one of > >> those shows or what have > >> you...give him a hearty pat on the back for me, > will ya. > >> George Zay > >> > >> > >> > >> **************Looking for simple solutions to your > >> real-life financial > >> challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest > news and > >> information, tips and > >> calculators. > >> > (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 17:55:49 2008 From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD (sort of) : Rare Russian Meteorite Texts (English Translations) for sale soon. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <299783.60452.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi fellow meteorite aficionados and bibliophiles! Recently, I bought a lot of books from an estate sale liquidator. These books (over two dozen of them) contained several astronomy and cosmology titles I have been searching for, some Asimov titles (a fave of mine) and some interesting meteorite books. These books are currently on their way to me. I plan on selling some of the meteorite texts. In particular, there are 3 meteorite titles that lay outside my interests. After searching the web for more information about them, I have determined that they are quite rare. These are English translations of Russian works. 1) "The Nature & Origin of Comets & Meteors" - by Sergei Konstantinovich Vsekhsviatskii, published 1970. 183 pages. This is a translation of the original Russian work - "Priroda i Proiskhozhdeniye Komet i Meteornogo Veshchestva" (1967) 2) "Meteoritics No 19" - a translation of the Russian journal Meteoritika (Sbornik nauchnykh trudov) 200 pages. 1960. (articles on the age of meteors, tektites and silica glass, x-ray studies of meterors, lead content, preliminary results of 1958 Tungas expedition, more) 3) "Velocity and energy of the Tungusk meteorite" - translation of the Russian "O Skorosti i Energii Tungusskogo Meteorita" (Doklady Akademii Nauk SSSR, 1961) - 8 pages. (academic paper) All of these books are graded good to excellent in condition with no major flaws and only typical shelf wear from very occasional usage. All are softcovers. It is my intention to sell these books to offset my costs of purchasing the larger lot. Once I receive them, I will inspect them, photograph them, and offer them for sale. If you would like to be notified when these books become available (within the next week or so), then please email me and let me know. Once I get these books, I will contact any interested parties with a more detailed description of the books and photographs of them. I can be reached via email at mike at galactic-stone.com or michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com Thanks for looking and clear skies! MikeG PS - I still have a mint copy of the journal MAPS (Meteoritics and Planetary Science), volume 43, Number 4, April 2008. I am asking $20 shipped to anywhere in the CONUS. $25 shipped overseas via Priority Air. Contact me if interested. ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .......................................................... From abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 19:19:51 2008 From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com (Abdelaziz Alhyane) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Huge Eucrite NWAxxx Message-ID: <950883.20481.qm@web45406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Dear Listees, I have a huge amazing eucrite for sale. $2/g. Off list please, for pictures. My best Aziz Alhyane Abdelaziz 83500 Morocco +21261655060 From jeffkrosschell at comcast.net Sun Sep 28 19:14:27 2008 From: jeffkrosschell at comcast.net (Jeff Krosschell) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:14:27 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: .99 Cent Auctions Ending Soon Message-ID: <2D413229CD5440B0BBAD8367965EE4CB@JeffVistaPC> Hello List, we have auctions ending shortly, many still at 99 cents. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/kalani_oftheheavens_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQQ5ftrk parmsZ72Q253A1205Q257C39Q253A1Q257C66Q253A2Q257C65Q253A12QQ_psizeZ3QQ_sacatZ 0QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14?_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 All the best, ------------------------------------ Jeff Krosschell IMCA 0146 jeffkrosschell at comcast.net From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 21:25:30 2008 From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Absolutely amazing article Message-ID: <472730.87618.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Stone_6_Artificial_Meteorite_Shows_Martian_Impactors_Could_Carry_Traces_Of_Life_999.html They say the sedimentary rocks formed a white fusion crust, man, how many Martian sedimentary rocks have we missed? Great news though, what a wonderful experiment. Michael Farmer From azizhabibi at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 22:14:50 2008 From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] back home Message-ID: <120692.20069.qm@web62002.mail.re1.yahoo.com> hello all, i just made it home after four month absent from erfoud , i didn't had much access to internet , and i m sorry if i didn't answer any emails, please emails me back if i missed something, i m home now , and let's start a good year of meteorite . all the best to all; aziz habibi habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170 From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 00:21:34 2008 From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] big tatahouini. Message-ID: <389955.4010.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> anybody got these over 10 g for sale? looking for a polishing piece as it hi-polishes EXCELLENTLY. From drtanuki at yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 05:41:45 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] selenium concentrations// an indicator of impact? Message-ID: <155490.55460.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear List, Selenium is an available marker for impact geology. Some plants are indicators for selenium-rich soils and these indicator plants should be noted when searching for impact crater ejecta. Best Always, Dirk Ross...Tokyo http://www.webelements.com/selenium/geology.html Abundances for selenium in a number of different environments. Use the links in the location column for definitions, literature sources, and visual representations in many different styles (one of which is shown below) Location ppb by weight ppb by atoms Universe 30 0.5 Sun no data no data Meteorite (carbonaceous) 13000 2900 Crustal rocks 50 10 Sea water 0.45 0.035 Stream 0.2 0.003 Human 50 4 From mpg444 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 08:17:22 2008 From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Strange sighting may have been a meteorite Message-ID: <559041.91268.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/29870199.html Strange sighting may have been a meteorite SOUTH BEND --- Reports of a large bright colored object in the skies over South Bend Saturday night left gazers shocked and in awe over what they saw. A member of the Michiana Astronomical Society said the object may have been a fireball. "Wow, how cool," said Brian Hutchings who observed the reddish-orange object. "That was the first thing I thought, was man that is neat." Sightings of this fireball in the skies Saturday night were also reported in Michigan, Ohio, and parts of Canada. Sunday night, all eyes were on the sky at Toscana Park in Granger. A woman dining at a restaurant left her seat to take a look at a telescope located adjacent to the fountain. "In the center, not quite the center," she said, while trying to see planet Jupiter. Reports of a fireball or meteorite were reported Saturday night. Hutchings points to the location where he discovered the fireball, saying, "Right up in that area, it traveled, traveled, traveled, right up in that area near the telephone pole." He said after 15 to 25 seconds the object burned out. The fast moving object stopped Hutchings from grabbing a camera. "I was fixing my antenna and just happened to look up in the sky," he said. He said images from the Peekskill Meteorite captured on video, falling from the sky in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Virginia, back in 1992 closely resembles what he saw. Not only are meteors and fireballs in the sky occasionally, there's something in the sky every night, Michiana's Astronomy Society's Chuck Bueter said. "If we had skies that weren't so light polluted, more people would experience the grandeur of the sky," Bueter said. With the telescopes out, Chuck attempted to show us some of the many objects in the sky --- including Jupiter, up close. And phenomena both man-made and natural. Objects able to be seen with the naked eye. "The only thing you can see are clouds," Bueter said, while pointing to the sky where a Iridium Flare was masked by thick clouds. Normally, an Iridium Flare is a very bright object. Bueter also attempted to show WSBT News the International Space Station, but conditions were not favorable. "This is the nature of the hobby of astronomy," Bueter said. "Sometimes you get snuffed by weather, but if you stay with it, the rewards are great enough to make it worthwhile." Canadian astronomers confirmed this fireball as a meteor. Bueter said on a clear night, people should be able to look outside your door and see visible passes and iridium flares throughout the week of September 28th. From mikewren at gilanet.com Mon Sep 29 10:58:04 2008 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:58:04 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Really Nice SIKHOTE-ALIN SLICES... Message-ID: <20080929145826.CE15A1058D@mailwash5.pair.com> ________________________________________ From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 8:57 AM To: 'michael cottingham' Subject: AD: Really Nice SIKHOTE-ALIN SLICES... Hello, I have listed some really cool and interesting Sikhote-Alin slices, with I think, good prices. http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store? OR A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 2130g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258436414 A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 510g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258439136 A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 314g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258440600 A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 262g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258444388 A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 328g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258447790 Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com Mon Sep 29 11:23:16 2008 From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:23:16 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Thin Sections and some NWA 1877 Olivine Dioginite micrographs Message-ID: Hi List, As you have heard, Jeff Krosschell has been selling Adam Hupe's inventory. Jeff and I have become friends since he first arranged for me to borrow the NWA 5000 thin section (the only one at the time). He has some thin sections from (at least this is my understanding) Adam's collection. He will be selling these thin sections. We worked out a deal! I will get a chance to ad images of these thin sections to my Micrograph Gallery and he can use my shots to promote the thin sections. The first up is NWA 1877 Olivine Dioginite. This slide is beautiful. You will not believe the clarity! When taking shots at the high magnifications I work with, a very good thin section is required. This thin section is exceptional. It is polished (uncovered). I have some killer shots taken at 160X. Email me if you want to see them. (Even if you don't want to buy the slide.) Let me know if you want the ten images embedded in the email or sent as an attachment. An attachment is a large file but the detail is worth it. I am not involved in the selling of these thin sections so you won't get a sales pitch from me, just some great micrographs. If you are interested in buying the thin section, email Jeff at jeffkrosschell at comcast.net I don't even know what he is asking on any of these. Tom Phillips **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Sep 29 13:49:53 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Dawn Journal - September 27, 2008 Message-ID: <200809291749.KAA14143@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal_9_27_08.asp Dawn Journal Dr. Marc Rayman September 27, 2008 Dear Dawnniversaries, On the first anniversary of its departure from Earth, Dawn continues with what it has been doing for most of its time in space: with the greatest patience it is gently reshaping its orbit around the Sun with its ion propulsion system. In its first year of travels, the spacecraft has thrust for a total of about 253 days, or 69% of the time. Dawn has been in powered flight for 85% of the time since the beginning of its interplanetary cruise phase in December 2007 and about 0.000000005% of the time since the Big Bang. While for most spacecraft, firing a thruster to change course is a special event, it is Dawn's wont. All this thrusting has cost the craft only 67 kilograms (148 pounds) of its supply of xenon propellant, which was 425 kilograms (937 pounds) 1 year ago. The thrusting so far in the mission has achieved the equivalent of accelerating the probe by 1.68 kilometers per second (3760 miles per hour). As the preceding log described, because of the principles of motion for orbital flight, whether around the Sun or any other gravitating body, Dawn is not actually traveling this much faster than when it launched. But the effective change in speed remains a useful measure of the effect of any spacecraft's propulsive work. Having accomplished only one-eighth of the thrust time planned for its entire mission, Dawn has already exceeded the velocity change required by many spacecraft. (For a comparison with probes that enter orbit around Mars, visit the red planet yourself or refer to a previous log.) Since launch, our readers who have remained on or near Earth have completed exactly 1 revolution around the Sun. (This log, including the date it is filed, disregards that 2008 is a leap year and that Earth actually takes almost 365.25 days to complete one orbit. Oops -- it isn't being disregarded; in fact, it's right there in the previous sentence, and the longer this parenthetical text goes on, the more attention is being drawn to it. As it makes no significant difference, we request readers do a better job of ignoring it than the writer is doing. Please return to the flow of the log.) Orbiting farther from the Sun than Earth, and moving at a more leisurely pace, Dawn has not traveled even two-thirds of the way around the Sun. Of course, unlike Earth, when it has completed 1 full circuit (in 2009), it will not be at the same place it started. Earth's orbit is quite repetitive, but the combined effects of the powerful rocket launch, the extensive ion thrusting, and the gravitational deflection from Mars next February will cause the spacecraft to be farther from the Sun at the end of its first revolution than it was at the beginning. As readers who have followed the Dawn mission during 2008 know, the spacecraft occasionally engages in activities other than routine thrusting as its adventure progresses. On August 26, mission controllers commanded the primary and backup cameras to execute their calibration routines. This not only served to confirm that both units remain healthy, but it also let engineers verify one of the new features in the software radioed to each camera in April that was not tested at that time. On September 22, an updated version of a method to establish how much power Dawn's extraordinary solar arrays can generate was tested successfully. The first test was conducted in July, and it yielded only some of the desired information. The revised procedure was very similar to the earlier one, principally differing in the timing of some instructions and values of parameters based on the analysis of that initial run. Because the entire activity, even including the 41-minute round-trip travel time for radio signals, required less than 3 hours in the middle of the afternoon, among the most significant changes that ever-observant mission controllers detected was that no meals were incorporated into the carefully engineered plan. As in July, the test included rotating both solar array wings 45 degrees, so they did not point directly at the Sun, thus reducing how much light they received and converted to electrical power. The test was carried out during the spacecraft's routine weekly interruption in thrusting to point its main antenna to Earth, but the ion propulsion system was commanded into service when it otherwise would have been idle. Its role then was not to provide propulsion (although it did so); rather, it participated because it is the greatest consumer of power onboard. Dawn's enormous solar arrays, even turned partially away from the Sun and more than 1.66 times farther from the radiant orb than Earth is, were able to provide the 2.5 kilowatts requested by the ion drive at full power. Later in the mission, after all the data have been analyzed thoroughly, the next step in the solar array calibration will be to command the arrays to rotate farther, where they are not expected to be able to deliver all the power requested. As Dawn begins its second year (as measured back on Earth) of interplanetary flight, the probe steadfastly continues its long journey in the quiet solitude of space, quite isolated from events on or near the distant planet that used to be its home. While no spacecraft has left the vicinity of the Earth-moon system in the year since Dawn's departure, much has happened there, even as the explorer has remained focused on accomplishing its voyage in deep space. From the first circulation of protons at the Large Hadron Collider 100 meters (330 feet) underground, to the beginning of the Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope mission 550 kilometers (340 miles) overhead, to the arrival of SELENE (Kaguya) and Chang'e 1 at the moon, humankind's thrilling work to understand nature has continued. Apparently there have been some other kinds of news as well, from shocking revelations about celebrities, to competitions among athletes and among politicians, to still more shocking revelations about celebrities, but such information is harder to find, given the news media's nearly exclusive focus on myriad science topics. (News coverage may be different on your planet.) Dawn is 374 million kilometers (232 million miles) from Earth, or 980 times as far as the moon and 2.49 times as far as the Sun. Radio signals, traveling at the universal limit of the speed of light, take 42 minutes to make the round trip. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Sep 29 13:57:18 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: September 22-26, 2008 Message-ID: <200809291757.KAA18043@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES September 22-26, 2008 o Yardangs (Released 22 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080922a o Lunae Planum (Released 23 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080923a o Bright Dunes (Released 24 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080924a o Crater Ejecta (Released 25 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080925a o Marte Vallis (Released 26 September 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080926a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Sep 29 14:09:59 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Strange Sighting Over Indiana May Have Been a Fireball Message-ID: <200809291809.LAA24077@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/29870199.html Strange sighting may have been a meteorite by John Paul WSBT 22 News (South Bend, Indiana) September 28, 2008 SOUTH BEND --- Reports of a large bright colored object in the skies over South Bend Saturday night left gazers shocked and in awe over what they saw. A member of the Michiana Astronomical Society said the object may have been a fireball. "Wow, how cool," said Brian Hutchings who observed the reddish-orange object. "That was the first thing I thought, was man that is neat." Sightings of this fireball in the skies Saturday night were also reported in Michigan, Ohio, and parts of Canada. Sunday night, all eyes were on the sky at Toscana Park in Granger. A woman dining at a restaurant left her seat to take a look at a telescope located adjacent to the fountain. "In the center, not quite the center," she said, while trying to see planet Jupiter. Reports of a fireball or meteorite were reported Saturday night. Hutchings points to the location where he discovered the fireball, saying, "Right up in that area, it traveled, traveled, traveled, right up in that area near the telephone pole." He said after 15 to 25 seconds the object burned out. The fast moving object stopped Hutchings from grabbing a camera. "I was fixing my antenna and just happened to look up in the sky," he said. He said images from the Peekskill Meteorite captured on video, falling from the sky in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Virginia, back in 1992 closely resembles what he saw. Not only are meteors and fireballs in the sky occasionally, there's something in the sky every night, Michiana's Astronomy Society's Chuck Bueter said. "If we had skies that weren't so light polluted, more people would experience the grandeur of the sky," Bueter said. With the telescopes out, Chuck attempted to show us some of the many objects in the sky --- including Jupiter, up close. And phenomena both man-made and natural. Objects able to be seen with the naked eye. "The only thing you can see are clouds," Bueter said, while pointing to the sky where a Iridium Flare was masked by thick clouds. Normally, an Iridium Flare is a very bright object. Bueter also attempted to show WSBT News the International Space Station, but conditions were not favorable. "This is the nature of the hobby of astronomy," Bueter said. "Sometimes you get snuffed by weather, but if you stay with it, the rewards are great enough to make it worthwhile." Canadian astronomers confirmed this fireball as a meteor. Bueter said on a clear night, people should be able to look outside your door and see visible passes and iridium flares throughout the week of September 28th. From star-bits at tx.rr.com Mon Sep 29 14:38:20 2008 From: star-bits at tx.rr.com (star-bits at tx.rr.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:38:20 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - eBay auctions closing shortly Message-ID: <14113458.874371222713500585.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web27-z01> Greetings All I have a number of auctions closing shortly including Martian shergottite individual 0.46 grams currently at $30/gm Camel Donga 4 gram individual currently $10/gm Selma 8 gram part slice at $0.40/gm Sikhote-alin great oriented piece at $1/gm Oriented NWA 869 at $0.17/gm Tagish Lake crust currently $2.25, the cost of the membrane box 371 gram Henbury currently less than $0.60/gm as well as bassikounou 99% crusted individual, carancas, karoonda and others. See them all at -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Sep 29 15:00:32 2008 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Phoenix Mars Lander Sees Falling Snow, Soil Data Suggest Liquid Past Message-ID: <200809291900.MAA15432@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Sept. 29, 2008 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov Guy Webster Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-6278 guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov Sara Hammond University of Arizona, Tucson 520-626-1974 shammond at lpl.arizona.edu RELEASE: 08-246 NASA MARS LANDER SEES FALLING SNOW, SOIL DATA SUGGEST LIQUID PAST WASHINGTON -- NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has detected snow falling from Martian clouds. Spacecraft soil tests experiments also have provided evidence of past interaction between minerals and liquid water, processes that occur on Earth. A laser instrument designed to gather knowledge of how the atmosphere and surface interact on Mars, detected snow from clouds about 2.5 miles above the spacecraft's landing site. Data show the snow vaporizing before reaching the ground. "Nothing like this view has ever been seen on Mars," said Jim Whiteway, of York University, Toronto, lead scientist for the Canadian-supplied Meteorological Station on Phoenix. "We'll be looking for signs that the snow may even reach the ground." Phoenix experiments also yielded clues pointing to calcium carbonate, the main composition of chalk, and particles that could be clay. Most carbonates and clays on Earth form only in the presence of liquid water. "We are still collecting data and have lots of analysis ahead, but we are making good progress on the big questions we set out for ourselves," said Phoenix Principal Investigator Peter Smith of the University of Arizona, Tucson. Since landing on May 25, Phoenix already has confirmed that a hard subsurface layer at its far-northern site contains water-ice. Determining whether that ice ever thaws would help answer whether the environment there has been favorable for life, a key aim of the mission. The evidence for calcium carbonate in soil samples from trenches dug by the Phoenix robotic arm comes from two laboratory instruments called the Thermal and Evolved Gas Analyzer, or TEGA, and the wet chemistry laboratory of the Microscopy, Electrochemistry and Conductivity Analyzer, or MECA. "We have found carbonate," said William Boynton of the University of Arizona, lead scientist for the TEGA. "This points toward episodes of interaction with water in the past." The TEGA evidence for calcium carbonate came from a high-temperature release of carbon dioxide from soil samples. The temperature of the release matches a temperature known to decompose calcium carbonate and release carbon dioxide gas, which was identified by the instrument's mass spectrometer. The MECA evidence came from a buffering effect characteristic of calcium carbonate assessed in wet chemistry analysis of the soil. The measured concentration of calcium was exactly what would be expected for a solution buffered by calcium carbonate. Both TEGA, and the microscopy part of MECA have turned up hints of a clay-like substance. "We are seeing smooth-surfaced, platy particles with the atomic-force microscope, not inconsistent with the appearance of clay particles," said Michael Hecht, MECA lead scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. The Phoenix mission, originally planned for three months on Mars, now is in its fifth month. However, it faces a decline in solar energy that is expected to curtail and then end the lander's activities before the end of the year. Before power ceases, the Phoenix team will attempt to activate a microphone on the lander to possibly capture sounds on Mars. "For nearly three months after landing, the sun never went below the horizon at our landing site." said Barry Goldstein, JPL Phoenix project manager. "Now it is gone for more than four hours each night, and the output from our solar panels is dropping each week. Before the end of October, there won't be enough energy to keep using the robotic arm." The Phoenix mission is led by Smith at the University of Arizona. Project management is the responsibility of JPL with development partnership by Lockheed Martin in Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. For more about Phoenix, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix -end- From p.marmet at sunrise.ch Mon Sep 29 17:12:22 2008 From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:12:22 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Web page up again! - Ebay auctions Message-ID: <1DAA1646-917A-4FB0-87DD-A0C5E29C8E1D@sunrise.ch> Hi All, my web page was down for a few weeks but is working fine now! http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ I have 24 ebay auctions - rare historic falls, stunning achondrites, chondrites,... ending in about 6 days: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9 If you have problems to see all 24 auctions, you can click on: Text- only format. If it still does not work, please let me know off list! Thank you, Peter Peter Marmet Bern, Switzerland IMCA #2747 p.marmet at mysunrise.ch http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9 From bobadebt at ec.rr.com Mon Sep 29 18:20:06 2008 From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David & Kitt Deyarmin) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:20:06 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Really Nice SIKHOTE-ALIN SLICES... Message-ID: Seeing all of those slices only confirms that SA will make a very interesting 50mm Sphere. I hope I can find a big ugly cutter for a decent price some day. ________________________________________ From: michael cottingham [mailto:mikewren at gilanet.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 8:57 AM To: 'michael cottingham' Subject: AD: Really Nice SIKHOTE-ALIN SLICES... Hello, I have listed some really cool and interesting Sikhote-Alin slices, with I think, good prices. http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store OR From Impactika at aol.com Mon Sep 29 23:28:16 2008 From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:28:16 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Updated Catalog, finally Message-ID: Hello List, It has been quite a while but, Yes, this is an AD. My Catalog is finally up to date, go look: _http://www.impactika.com/Metlist.htm_ (http://www.impactika.com/Metlist.htm) I did a lot of buying during the Denver Show and since. And I finally managed to list most of those new pieces and a lot of pictures too. Some pieces are classics, like Esquel and Imilac, others are rather rare like Delaware, Hebron, Independence, Atoka, and one is extemely rare: Hueco Tanks, I only have a few pieces, and there probably won't be anymore; after all the whole mass was only 314 grams. And I have more to add, a lot of Libyan Glass, some pretty things, and two more extremely rare Texans. Those will show up very soon. But the next job is updating of my Thin-Sections Catalog, I have a lot to add there too. As usual, any questions, just ask! Thank you. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ IMPACTIKA at aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From cynapse at charter.net Tue Sep 30 11:10:13 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:10:13 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Jules Verne goes to pieces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You HAVE to watch this reentry video! (Really, if you don't watch it, I'll hit this button australite with this hammer...) http://www.esa.int/esaCP/index.html From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Tue Sep 30 11:19:38 2008 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 30 Sep 2008 15:19:38 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Jules Verne goes to pieces Message-ID: Darren wrote: "You HAVE to watch this reentry video! (Really, if you don't watch it, I'll hit this button australite with this hammer) http://www.esa.int/esaCP/index.html No, please, don't hit your australite button with a hammer to pieces because we know what you mean! When you watch the re-entry and complete destruction (or should I say demise?!) of the ATV (automatic transfer vhicle), you really wonder how our beloved space travellers - a.k.a meteorites - make it through the atmosphere "intact". Well, after all, we all know that most of the meteoroids' preatmospheric size is ablated away so that just a few kilograms or sometimes only a few grams make it to the surface of our home planet. This video vividly and dramatically demonstrates what happens to our "collectibles"! Bernd To: cynapse at charter.net meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 12:24:11 2008 From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction announcements In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <385156.81871.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Folks! This is a just friendly piece of feedback and advice for the dealers on the list. Numerous times in the last few months I have gotten the Met Email digest, and in the digest is a note from a dealer announcing his/her eBay auctions are "closing soon" and come see them, etc, etc. When I click on the link, with the intention of bidding and buying, the auctions are all closed already. So I have a question for the group, and then a piece of feedback. Question : Does the Met Email Digest arrive much later than the individual emails? I am setup to receive the digest form of the list, so I get all of the individual emails at the same time. I am wondering if I setup my account to receive individual emails, will I get them sooner? I feel like I am missing out on opportunities here. But, I use my main email address for this list, and I don't want my inbox overrun with dozens of emails every day. And I am reluctant to set up a second account just for this list, because it's a PITA frankly to maintain more than one email account. Should I bite the bullet and setup a second account just for this list and to receive individual emails? Feedback : I would kindly suggest that dealers who run infrequent batches of auctions should send their email announcements well in advance of the closing time. A first email to announce to the auctions when they are first opened and then a second email a day in advance of closing to announce that the auctions will be closing soon. By sending out that second email hours before close, these dealers are missing out on potential business from those who receive the digest form of the Met list. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .......................................................... From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 12:59:11 2008 From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction announcements In-Reply-To: <385156.81871.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <754267.15831.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Of course, the digest is done once a day. If I email that my auctions are ending, they are likely to end long before you get the digest. When you get the individual emails, they are usually instant. It is your choice to get timely emails or hours late emails. Michael Farmer --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Michael Gilmer wrote: > From: Michael Gilmer > Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction announcements > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 10:24 AM > Hi Folks! > > This is a just friendly piece of feedback and advice for > the dealers on the list. > > Numerous times in the last few months I have gotten the Met > Email digest, and in the digest is a note > from a dealer announcing his/her eBay auctions are > "closing soon" and come see them, etc, etc. > > When I click on the link, with the intention of bidding and > buying, the auctions are all closed already. > > So I have a question for the group, and then a piece of > feedback. > > Question : Does the Met Email Digest arrive much later than > the individual emails? I am setup to > receive the digest form of the list, so I get all of the > individual emails at the same time. I am wondering > if I setup my account to receive individual emails, will I > get them sooner? I feel like I am missing out on > opportunities here. But, I use my main email address for > this list, and I don't want my inbox overrun > with dozens of emails every day. And I am reluctant to set > up a second account just for this list, because > it's a PITA frankly to maintain more than one email > account. Should I bite the bullet and setup a second > account just for this list and to receive individual > emails? > > Feedback : I would kindly suggest that dealers who run > infrequent batches of auctions should send their > email announcements well in advance of the closing time. A > first email to announce to the auctions when > they are first opened and then a second email a day in > advance of closing to announce that the auctions > will be closing soon. By sending out that second email > hours before close, these dealers are missing out > on potential business from those who receive the digest > form of the Met list. > > Best regards and clear skies, > > MikeG > > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and > http://www.glassthrower.com > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > .......................................................... > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From daistiho at hotmail.com Tue Sep 30 13:25:50 2008 From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:25:50 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Jules Verne goes to pieces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Was this video slowed down for details? It took about 2 1/2 minutes from initial glow to final breakup and dark flight; much longer than a typical meteor(ite), or was that because it wasn't coming in at cosmic velocity. Tracy Latimer > From: cynapse at charter.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:10:13 -0400 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Jules Verne goes to pieces > > You HAVE to watch this reentry video! (Really, if you don't watch it, I'll hit > this button australite with this hammer...) > > http://www.esa.int/esaCP/index.html > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From paul at meteorite.com Tue Sep 30 13:44:06 2008 From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:44:06 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction announcements In-Reply-To: <385156.81871.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <385156.81871.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E26566.2070106@meteorite.com> Hi Michael, You can also look on our page below. Scroll down about a third of the page to the red text about dealers ebay listings and click the "Click To Start" link. You'll get a list in real time of which dealers have ebay auctions running. Click their name and you can see a quick view of their auctions in the next window. http://www.meteorite.com/meteorites-for-sale.htm Paul Harris Michael Gilmer wrote: > Hi Folks! > > This is a just friendly piece of feedback and advice for the dealers on the list. > > Numerous times in the last few months I have gotten the Met Email digest, and in the digest is a note > from a dealer announcing his/her eBay auctions are "closing soon" and come see them, etc, etc. > > When I click on the link, with the intention of bidding and buying, the auctions are all closed already. > > So I have a question for the group, and then a piece of feedback. > > Question : Does the Met Email Digest arrive much later than the individual emails? I am setup to > receive the digest form of the list, so I get all of the individual emails at the same time. I am wondering > if I setup my account to receive individual emails, will I get them sooner? I feel like I am missing out on > opportunities here. But, I use my main email address for this list, and I don't want my inbox overrun > with dozens of emails every day. And I am reluctant to set up a second account just for this list, because > it's a PITA frankly to maintain more than one email account. Should I bite the bullet and setup a second > account just for this list and to receive individual emails? > > Feedback : I would kindly suggest that dealers who run infrequent batches of auctions should send their > email announcements well in advance of the closing time. A first email to announce to the auctions when > they are first opened and then a second email a day in advance of closing to announce that the auctions > will be closing soon. By sending out that second email hours before close, these dealers are missing out > on potential business from those who receive the digest form of the Met list. > > Best regards and clear skies, > > MikeG > > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > .......................................................... > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > From mikewren at gilanet.com Tue Sep 30 13:48:12 2008 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:48:12 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction announcements In-Reply-To: <385156.81871.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200809301151713.SM01520@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello, I try and do just that, multiple postings. Life is busy and extremely filled up for most us, so I for one REALLY appreciate multiple postings and reminders. I don't resent it like some list members do and I personally want to know what is for sale and to be reminded that auctions are ending. Sometimes, emails get delayed or don't make it through at all, so multiple postings in my opinion are good. You know deleting an email is lot less work than sorting through the ebay meteorite section looking for something to add to one's collection. Some of us are very active buyers, sellers and collectors and I believe most of us appreciate the extra AD notices. I try and give a heads up auction for the week, and if I do a second one mid week, maybe I will have a sale or something interesting to note and finally one for the day the auctions are ending. I, as well as every other dealer out there, know for a fact that these announcements matter. There is no way I am going to put a $500.00 specimen out on ebay for 0.99 cents, without multiple announcements for the week. I am not in the business to give meteorites away for nothing. I hope this helps some.... Best Wishes Michael Cottingham -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gilmer Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:24 AM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction announcements Hi Folks! This is a just friendly piece of feedback and advice for the dealers on the list. Numerous times in the last few months I have gotten the Met Email digest, and in the digest is a note from a dealer announcing his/her eBay auctions are "closing soon" and come see them, etc, etc. When I click on the link, with the intention of bidding and buying, the auctions are all closed already. So I have a question for the group, and then a piece of feedback. Question : Does the Met Email Digest arrive much later than the individual emails? I am setup to receive the digest form of the list, so I get all of the individual emails at the same time. I am wondering if I setup my account to receive individual emails, will I get them sooner? I feel like I am missing out on opportunities here. But, I use my main email address for this list, and I don't want my inbox overrun with dozens of emails every day. And I am reluctant to set up a second account just for this list, because it's a PITA frankly to maintain more than one email account. Should I bite the bullet and setup a second account just for this list and to receive individual emails? Feedback : I would kindly suggest that dealers who run infrequent batches of auctions should send their email announcements well in advance of the closing time. A first email to announce to the auctions when they are first opened and then a second email a day in advance of closing to announce that the auctions will be closing soon. By sending out that second email hours before close, these dealers are missing out on potential business from those who receive the digest form of the Met list. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .......................................................... ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cynapse at charter.net Tue Sep 30 14:00:40 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:00:40 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Jules Verne goes to pieces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:25:50 +0000, you wrote: > >Was this video slowed down for details? It took about 2 1/2 minutes from initial glow to final breakup and dark flight; much longer than a typical meteor(ite), or was that because it wasn't coming in at cosmic velocity. I would guess, judging by the speed of the explosive flash early in and the amount of movement in the handheld video camera, that unless that camera was operated by Michael J. Fox, it is real time. From mikewren at gilanet.com Tue Sep 30 14:24:19 2008 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:24:19 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Serious Group of Auctions This Week, See Highlights! Message-ID: <20080930122798.SM00604@yourfsyly0jtwn> ________________________________________ Hello, Some good deals to be had this week!? Also, Thanks for all your business! MAIN STORE LINK: http://stores.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY?refid=store? CHECK THESE OUT! 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A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 2130g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258436414 A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 510g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258439136 A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 314g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258440600 A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 262g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258444388 A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 328g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200258447790 Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From mafer at imagineopals.com Tue Sep 30 16:30:09 2008 From: mafer at imagineopals.com (mafer at imagineopals.com) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:30:09 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction announcements In-Reply-To: <200809301151713.SM01520@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <200809301151713.SM01520@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: On September 30, 6:48 pm "michael cottingham" > There is no way I am going to put a $500.00 specimen out on ebay for > 0.99 cents, without multiple announcements for the week. I am not in > the business to give meteorites away for nothing. > > I hope this helps some.... > > Best Wishes > > Michael Cottingham That cuts Michael, cuts real deep...:) From cynapse at charter.net Tue Sep 30 17:35:27 2008 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:35:27 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Jules Verne goes to pieces In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3k65e4ho6jtjs45livbed14df2ishe1k71@4ax.com> Here's the video as a downloadable .avi file using Divx: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/ I tried to stabalize it a bit, but it is so shaky my software didn't know what to do with it-- it would have to be adjusted by hand frame by frame (unless you have some industrial-strength software for it). Or you could plug this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2OiAk1l2vs Into this: http://keepvid.com/ and download it as an MP4 file. From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 19:59:20 2008 From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction announcements In-Reply-To: <200809301151713.SM01520@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <164283.17206.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi folks! I didn't mean to start a debate or to make anyone feel uncomfortable. When I first signed up for the list, I don't recall whether or not I was asked to receive singles or digests. I am also a member of a few Yahoo groups and I get digests for those, so I assume I signed up for the digest here on the Met list as well. But now that I go digging back about 12 months through my old saved emails, trying to locate my Met List registration confirmation (which typically includes URL's to log in and change your preferences), I can't find it. I went to the parent website of this list and didn't see any link or way to change it there. So I am just wondering how I go about changing my preference from digest to individual emails, because I would like to do so now. I've missed out on quite a few batches of auctions because I was asleep at the wheel and didn't get the email until hours or a day later. Paul H. kindly sent me this helpful link - http://www.meteorite.com/meteorites-for-sale.htm And that is a great help which I had forgotten about, but not all of the occasional sellers are on there. There are several list members who hold infrequent sales from time to time, and some of those are the ones where I really feel I missed out. BTW, if anyone on this list has a lot of tiny Tatahouine fragments they'd like to sell, in the neighborhood of $30, please email me offlist at mike at galactic-stone.com Best regards, MikeG ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .......................................................... --- On Tue, 9/30/08, michael cottingham wrote: > From: michael cottingham > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction announcements > To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 12:48 PM > Hello, > > I try and do just that, multiple postings. Life is busy and > extremely filled > up for most us, so I for one REALLY appreciate multiple > postings and > reminders. I don't resent it like some list members do > and I personally want > to know what is for sale and to be reminded that auctions > are ending. > > Sometimes, emails get delayed or don't make it through > at all, so multiple > postings in my opinion are good. You know deleting an email > is lot less work > than sorting through the ebay meteorite section looking for > something to add > to one's collection. Some of us are very active buyers, > sellers and > collectors and I believe most of us appreciate the extra AD > notices. > > I try and give a heads up auction for the week, and if I do > a second one mid > week, maybe I will have a sale or something interesting to > note and finally > one for the day the auctions are ending. I, as well as > every other dealer > out there, know for a fact that these announcements matter. > > > There is no way I am going to put a $500.00 specimen out on > ebay for 0.99 > cents, without multiple announcements for the week. I am > not in the business > to give meteorites away for nothing. > > I hope this helps some.... > > Best Wishes > > Michael Cottingham > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On > Behalf Of Michael > Gilmer > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:24 AM > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction > announcements > > Hi Folks! > > This is a just friendly piece of feedback and advice for > the dealers on the > list. > > Numerous times in the last few months I have gotten the Met > Email digest, > and in the digest is a note > from a dealer announcing his/her eBay auctions are > "closing soon" and come > see them, etc, etc. > > When I click on the link, with the intention of bidding and > buying, the > auctions are all closed already. > > So I have a question for the group, and then a piece of > feedback. > > Question : Does the Met Email Digest arrive much later than > the individual > emails? I am setup to > receive the digest form of the list, so I get all of the > individual emails > at the same time. I am wondering > if I setup my account to receive individual emails, will I > get them sooner? > I feel like I am missing out on > opportunities here. But, I use my main email address for > this list, and I > don't want my inbox overrun > with dozens of emails every day. And I am reluctant to set > up a second > account just for this list, because > it's a PITA frankly to maintain more than one email > account. Should I bite > the bullet and setup a second > account just for this list and to receive individual > emails? > > Feedback : I would kindly suggest that dealers who run > infrequent batches of > auctions should send their > email announcements well in advance of the closing time. A > first email to > announce to the auctions when > they are first opened and then a second email a day in > advance of closing to > announce that the auctions > will be closing soon. By sending out that second email > hours before close, > these dealers are missing out > on potential business from those who receive the digest > form of the Met > list. > > Best regards and clear skies, > > MikeG > > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and > http://www.glassthrower.com > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > .......................................................... > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From drtanuki at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 20:13:05 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites, Impact Craters, Meteors, Tektites Bibliography Message-ID: <773709.74283.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear List, I found a very interesting resource if you wish to do any research related to Meteorites, Impact Craters, Meteors, or Tektites. The bibliography is by Monika Kumlehn de Mamani & Ingrid Grambow. It was last updated 2008.9. The document files can be downloaded from their site: http://www.impaktnamen.de/ Thank you Monika and Ingrid!!! Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.meteoritesjapan.com www.insekijapan.com http://www.impaktnamen.de/ NAMES OF >METEORITES, >IMPACTS/ CRATERS, >BOLIDES/METEORS, >TEKTITES IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM (published: 2005.4; update: 2008.9) @The files beginning with A: contain the introduction (also in english); file AN1: considered terrestrial regions and bodies of the solar system, file AN2: their toponymy, file AN3: classification/nomenclature, file AN4: annex meteor shower, file AN5: Names: Regions/Bodies, file AN6: Names/Earth: chron.; by classes, abbreviations C: contain the alphabetical catalogue (Name,Fall/Find;Body/Region;Latitude;Longitude; Class;Mass/Diameter/Brightness;Bibliography) EQ: contain the bibliography, EZ: contain an atlas of the solar system. http://www.impaktnamen.de/ NAMEN DER > METEORITE > IMPAKTE/KRATER > BOLIDEN/METEORE > TEKTITE IM SONNENSYSTEM (Erstfassung: 2005.4; Stand: 2008.9) Monika Kumlehn de Mamani & Ingrid Grambow Ihmepassage 2, D 30449 Hannover eMail: impaktnamen at gmx.de From paul at meteorite.com Tue Sep 30 21:59:18 2008 From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:59:18 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction announcements In-Reply-To: <164283.17206.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <164283.17206.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E2D976.5050904@meteorite.com> Dear List, MikeG has a good point in that many list members can not participate in our ebay list the way it is currently structured. I'd be happy to set something up if it would be helpful to you. For those Buyers and Sellers who would find this useful, please email me OFF list with a "YES". If I have enough positive replies I'll start putting something together. Thank you, Paul Harris Michael Gilmer wrote: > Hi folks! > > I didn't mean to start a debate or to make anyone feel uncomfortable. When I first signed up for the list, > I don't recall whether or not I was asked to receive singles or digests. I am also a member of a few Yahoo > groups and I get digests for those, so I assume I signed up for the digest here on the Met list as well. > > But now that I go digging back about 12 months through my old saved emails, trying to locate my > Met List registration confirmation (which typically includes URL's to log in and change your preferences), > I can't find it. I went to the parent website of this list and didn't see any link or way to change it there. > So I am just wondering how I go about changing my preference from digest to individual emails, because I > would like to do so now. I've missed out on quite a few batches of auctions because I was asleep at the > wheel and didn't get the email until hours or a day later. > > Paul H. kindly sent me this helpful link - http://www.meteorite.com/meteorites-for-sale.htm > > And that is a great help which I had forgotten about, but not all of the occasional sellers are on there. There > are several list members who hold infrequent sales from time to time, and some of those are the ones where > I really feel I missed out. > > BTW, if anyone on this list has a lot of tiny Tatahouine fragments they'd like to sell, in the neighborhood > of $30, please email me offlist at mike at galactic-stone.com > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > .......................................................... > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, michael cottingham wrote: > > >> From: michael cottingham >> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction announcements >> To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 12:48 PM >> Hello, >> >> I try and do just that, multiple postings. Life is busy and >> extremely filled >> up for most us, so I for one REALLY appreciate multiple >> postings and >> reminders. I don't resent it like some list members do >> and I personally want >> to know what is for sale and to be reminded that auctions >> are ending. >> >> Sometimes, emails get delayed or don't make it through >> at all, so multiple >> postings in my opinion are good. You know deleting an email >> is lot less work >> than sorting through the ebay meteorite section looking for >> something to add >> to one's collection. Some of us are very active buyers, >> sellers and >> collectors and I believe most of us appreciate the extra AD >> notices. >> >> I try and give a heads up auction for the week, and if I do >> a second one mid >> week, maybe I will have a sale or something interesting to >> note and finally >> one for the day the auctions are ending. I, as well as >> every other dealer >> out there, know for a fact that these announcements matter. >> >> >> There is no way I am going to put a $500.00 specimen out on >> ebay for 0.99 >> cents, without multiple announcements for the week. I am >> not in the business >> to give meteorites away for nothing. >> >> I hope this helps some.... >> >> Best Wishes >> >> Michael Cottingham >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On >> Behalf Of Michael >> Gilmer >> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:24 AM >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction >> announcements >> >> Hi Folks! >> >> This is a just friendly piece of feedback and advice for >> the dealers on the >> list. >> >> Numerous times in the last few months I have gotten the Met >> Email digest, >> and in the digest is a note >> from a dealer announcing his/her eBay auctions are >> "closing soon" and come >> see them, etc, etc. >> >> When I click on the link, with the intention of bidding and >> buying, the >> auctions are all closed already. >> >> So I have a question for the group, and then a piece of >> feedback. >> >> Question : Does the Met Email Digest arrive much later than >> the individual >> emails? I am setup to >> receive the digest form of the list, so I get all of the >> individual emails >> at the same time. I am wondering >> if I setup my account to receive individual emails, will I >> get them sooner? >> I feel like I am missing out on >> opportunities here. But, I use my main email address for >> this list, and I >> don't want my inbox overrun >> with dozens of emails every day. And I am reluctant to set >> up a second >> account just for this list, because >> it's a PITA frankly to maintain more than one email >> account. Should I bite >> the bullet and setup a second >> account just for this list and to receive individual >> emails? >> >> Feedback : I would kindly suggest that dealers who run >> infrequent batches of >> auctions should send their >> email announcements well in advance of the closing time. A >> first email to >> announce to the auctions when >> they are first opened and then a second email a day in >> advance of closing to >> announce that the auctions >> will be closing soon. By sending out that second email >> hours before close, >> these dealers are missing out >> on potential business from those who receive the digest >> form of the Met >> list. >> >> Best regards and clear skies, >> >> MikeG >> >> ......................................................... >> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) >> Member of the Meteoritical Society. >> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. >> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and >> http://www.glassthrower.com >> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale >> .......................................................... >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >