From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 01:02:37 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Yet another video of Pennsylvania 6JUL09 Fireball? YES! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <868633.95453.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hey Folks. I calculated the PGH area camera LOS at 126 degrees and the meteor path is well east of that so I am not seeing a West to East path for sure and looks like back to a SE to NW track? Am I missing something? Elton From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 04:54:10 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 01:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] ITS ALMOST TIME FOR THE HUNT TO BEGIN. Message-ID: <699788.49736.qm@web46401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> A Game. Be ready. Code 1-1a 1 Treasure. 2 Reasons. 3 Goals. From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 07:14:07 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 04:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] birthday freebies/ (AD)/ 1.7 KILO stone Message-ID: <774296.84205.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hello again list. I have 9 more "openings" for freebies. 11 are taken! Come first or be last. This is my biggest freebie offering to date. I also have my 1.7 kilo stone beauty. It looks like a poor man's mill bill stone. It has a dark brownish red color and is?100% crusted. This piece is open for trade or cash/trade.Off list please. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sat Aug 1 08:26:53 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 08:26:53 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_1_2009.html __________________________ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From illaenus at wp.pl Sat Aug 1 10:07:52 2009 From: illaenus at wp.pl (Tomasz Jakubowski) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:07:52 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Ureilite, Henbury and more.. Message-ID: <4a744c384db404.49411533@wp.pl> Dear List Members, I have some meteorites for sale : - Ureilite NWA (currently under classification) 35.1 grams polished end piece (67x53 mm). It is a very fresh Ureilite with amazing olivines.(If any interest, I have more slices).Some photo (also microscopic photo) : http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/Ureilite35gEndPiece# - Henbury 517 grams, great long shape, specimen with card. http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/Henbury516G# - Bassikounou 256 grams 99% fusion crust specimen. http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/Bassikounou256g# - Juancheng 130 grams, 100% fusion crust. Rollover lips on back side. Very interesting shape. http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/Juancheng130g# - Fresh Eucrite NWA 2724, 101 gram, huge surface area (148x108 mm). Great specimen, Membrane box include. http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/NWA2724Eucrite# Any question, please write to my address illaenus at gmail.com Kind Regards Tomek Jakubowski IMCA #2321 -- Free Tibet ---------------------------------------------------- Wszystko o Mistrzostwa Europy koszykarzy EuroBasket 2009 - tego nigdzie nie znajdziesz! Kliknij: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Febasket.html&sid=817 From bristolia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 10:34:54 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 07:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Crashing Comets Not Likely The Cause Of Earth's Mass Extinctions Message-ID: <566881.50963.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Crashing Comets Not Likely The Cause Of Earth's Mass Extinctions ScienceDaily (July 31, 2009) ? Scientists have debated how many mass extinction events in Earth's history were triggered by a space body crashing into the planet's surface. Most agree that an asteroid collision 65 million years ago brought an end to the age of dinosaurs, but there is uncertainty about how many other extinctions might have resulted from asteroid or comet collisions with Earth. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090730141552.htm Kaib, N. A., and T. Quinn, 2009, Reassessing the Source of Long-Period Comets. Published online July 30 2009, Science Express Reports DOI: 10.1126/science.1172676 http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1172676 Yours Paul P.s. Additional stuff about extraterrestrial platinum can be found at: Extraterrestrial Platinum Was 'Stirred' Into Earth ScienceDaily (Aug. 1, 2009) ? A research program aimed at using platinum as an exploration guide for nickel has for the first time been able to put a time scale on the planet?s large-scale convection processes. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090731085813.htm Maier, W. D., S. J. Barnes, I. H. Campbell, M. L. Fiorentini, P. Peltonen, S.-J. Barnes, and R. H. Smithies, 2009, Progressive mixing of meteoritic veneer into the early Earth's deep mantle. Nature. vol. 460, no. 7255, pp. 62-623. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v460/n7255/full/nature08205.html From eric at meteoritesusa.com Sat Aug 1 17:37:24 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:37:24 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] 2003: Destructive Meteorites In India? Message-ID: <4A74B594.1020903@meteoritesusa.com> Does anyone remember this story? http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/09/28/india.meteorite/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3146692.stm What came of it? Regards, Eric By the way, if you aren't following me on Twitter you're missing out. http://twitter.com/MeteoritesUSA From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sat Aug 1 18:05:24 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 00:05:24 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] 2003: Destructive Meteorites In India? In-Reply-To: <4A74B594.1020903@meteoritesusa.com> References: <4A74B594.1020903@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <004901ca12f4$2c22aa70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> It's the Kendrapara, formerly also known as Orissa. An H4-5. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Meteorites USA Gesendet: Samstag, 1. August 2009 23:37 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] 2003: Destructive Meteorites In India? Does anyone remember this story? http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/09/28/india.meteorite/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3146692.stm What came of it? Regards, Eric By the way, if you aren't following me on Twitter you're missing out. http://twitter.com/MeteoritesUSA ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sat Aug 1 18:03:35 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 01 Aug 2009 22:03:35 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Orissa aka Kendrapara Message-ID: Hello List, Interestingly, Kendrapara was initially classified as an H5 chondrite but was then reclassified as an H4-5 like Martin has already posted! Cheers, Bernd From eric at meteoritesusa.com Sat Aug 1 18:35:40 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:35:40 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] 2003: Destructive Meteorites In India? In-Reply-To: <004901ca12f4$2c22aa70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <4A74B594.1020903@meteoritesusa.com> <004901ca12f4$2c22aa70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <4A74C33C.3060802@meteoritesusa.com> Thanks Martin, John! Martin Altmann wrote: > It's the Kendrapara, formerly also known as Orissa. > An H4-5. > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von > Meteorites USA > Gesendet: Samstag, 1. August 2009 23:37 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] 2003: Destructive Meteorites In India? > > Does anyone remember this story? > > http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/09/28/india.meteorite/ > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3146692.stm > > What came of it? > > Regards, > Eric > > By the way, if you aren't following me on Twitter you're missing out. > http://twitter.com/MeteoritesUSA > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From meteorites at online.nl Sat Aug 1 20:25:43 2009 From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 02:25:43 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Peekskill slice 8,59 grams on Ebay Message-ID: Dear listoids, I have a beautifull crusted Peekskill slice up on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Peekskill-Car-Smasher-meteorite-8-59-grams_W0QQitemZ170365886178QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27aa991ee2&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Also offers are welcome on Allan Hills 76009 (Antarctica), 13,4 fragment and Thiel Mountains pallasite slice, 2,4 grams (Antarctica). (only money offers, no "how much you want for it" offers, please) Greetings, Jan IMCA #9833 From geoking at notkin.net Sat Aug 1 21:37:16 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:37:16 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70065DAD-DB79-443B-96DF-E2E27D9CE4A6@notkin.net> > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_1_2009.html Dear Phillippe and Michael: What a gorgeous photo! I went on to look through the Meteoritica site, and some of Philippe's adventure photos are stunning. I highly recommend that List members make a visit to these photo albums: http://www.meteoritica.com/arabian%20sands.htm http://www.meteoritica.com/saharan%20pictures.htm Beautiful work by a very talented photographer. My compliments. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org From bristolia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 23:30:10 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Articles on Geology.com Web Site Message-ID: <588423.44681.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What Are Meteorites http://geology.com/meteorites/ Meteorite Types and Classification http://geology.com/meteorites/meteorite-types-and-classification.shtml Meteorite Identification http://geology.com/meteorites/meteorite-identification.shtml How Much Are Meteorites Worth? http://geology.com/meteorites/value-of-meteorites.shtml Iron Meteorites http://geology.com/meteorites/iron-meteorites.shtml and others listed at the bottom of http://geology.com/meteorites/ Yours, Paul H. From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 01:42:26 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 00:42:26 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sale Meteorites listed on ebay:Lake Murray 8.3 gms, Hope Creek from Alaska with crust, Miles 4.11 grams, from Australia , Uvalde from Texas, and Dimmitt from Texas, NWA 982 a nice AHOW Message-ID: Hello fellow Meteorite Collectors, How are you? I hope you're having a great weekend and having great weather! I listed a few meteorites on ebay tonight and there are a few ending on Monday. Please have a look if you like or have time. Hope Creek from Alaska with crust, Miles 4.11 grams, from Australia , Uvalde from Texas, and Dimmitt from Texas, NWA 982 a nice AHOW - Achondrite Howardite and Long Island from Kansas and Overland Park from Kansas and LAKE MURRAY Meteorite 8.3g COA IMCA IIAB VERY RARE NICE RARELY AVAILABLE IIAB OCTAHEDRITE OLDEST KNOWN INTACT Please have a look at my ebay seller's page by clicking the link here. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/searchingforfun_ Happy hunting and clear skies! Have a great rest of the weekend! Brian From thomasmeteorites at wanadoo.fr Sun Aug 2 02:06:36 2009 From: thomasmeteorites at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Thomas) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:06:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [meteorite-list] =?utf-8?q?R=C3=A9p_=3A__Rocks_from_Space_Picture?= =?utf-8?q?_of_the_Day_-_August_1=2C_2009?= Message-ID: <16990618.115829.1249193196011.JavaMail.www@wwinf1e18> Geoff, I can make you the same compliments. Thank you very much, Philippe http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_1_2009.html Dear Phillippe and Michael: What a gorgeous photo! I went on to look through the Meteoritica site, and some of Philippe's adventure photos are stunning. I highly recommend that List members make a visit to these photo albums: http://www.meteoritica.com/arabian%20sands.htm http://www.meteoritica.com/saharan%20pictures.htm Beautiful work by a very talented photographer. My compliments. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org From erikfwebb at msn.com Sun Aug 2 03:08:14 2009 From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 00:08:14 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 In-Reply-To: <70065DAD-DB79-443B-96DF-E2E27D9CE4A6@notkin.net> References: <70065DAD-DB79-443B-96DF-E2E27D9CE4A6@notkin.net> Message-ID: I agree Geoff, those are some awesome pictures! I hope i can get to hunt in some wild places like that some day. I have a lot of good shots I've taken while meteorite hunting. Most are in my monochromatic album. http://gallery.me.com/eriksunvalleyphoto/100006 happy hunting! [Erik] ---------------------------------------- > From: geoking at notkin.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:37:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 > >> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_1_2009.html > > > Dear Phillippe and Michael: > > What a gorgeous photo! I went on to look through the Meteoritica site, > and some of Philippe's adventure photos are stunning. I highly > recommend that List members make a visit to these photo albums: > > http://www.meteoritica.com/arabian%20sands.htm > > http://www.meteoritica.com/saharan%20pictures.htm > > > Beautiful work by a very talented photographer. My compliments. > > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 08:45:14 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 05:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] ITS ALMOST TIME FOR THE HUNT TO BEGIN. In-Reply-To: <699788.49736.qm@web46401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <153075.81352.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> To find the treasure, you will need to follow a series of clues. --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Greg Catterton wrote: > From: Greg Catterton > Subject: [meteorite-list] ITS ALMOST TIME FOR THE HUNT TO BEGIN. > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 4:54 AM > > A Game. > > Be ready. > > Code 1-1a > > 1 Treasure. > > 2 Reasons. > > 3 Goals. > > > > > > ? ? ? > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mpg4444 at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 10:51:48 2009 From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:51:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? Message-ID: Hello- Not sure if any of you were following (or possibly won) this ebay auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/Unclassified-meteorite-242-2-g-Salt-Fork-State-Park_W0QQitemZ320404111590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9992c0e6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 I was very surprised to see it sold for $33 (started at $9.99) after (5) bids. I have to admit I watched it since I live maybe 50 miles from where it was found and have been to the area often. I know chances are extremely minimal this is really a meteorite- but somebody is really placing their bets on it. The descriptive paragraph has many errors and assumptions. For a meteorite to survive in Ohio damp ground, yet be found it that condition, would be nearly impossible. I would appreciate other's opinions, and if one of you were the buyer- let us know what you received! Thank You Mike G.. From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 11:09:22 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:09:22 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow, I need to start selling magnetite and slag. Alot of that stuff is selling lately on eBay. On 8/2/09, Michael Groetz wrote: > Hello- > Not sure if any of you were following (or possibly won) this ebay > auction: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Unclassified-meteorite-242-2-g-Salt-Fork-State-Park_W0QQitemZ320404111590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9992c0e6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 > > I was very surprised to see it sold for $33 (started at $9.99) > after (5) bids. I have to admit I watched it since I live maybe 50 > miles from where it was found and have been to the area often. > I know chances are extremely minimal this is really a meteorite- > but somebody is really placing their bets on it. The descriptive > paragraph has many errors and assumptions. For a meteorite to survive > in Ohio damp ground, yet be found it that condition, would be nearly > impossible. > I would appreciate other's opinions, and if one of you were the > buyer- let us know what you received! > Thank You > Mike G.. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From cynapse at charter.net Sun Aug 2 12:38:02 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:38:02 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] ITS ALMOST TIME FOR THE HUNT TO BEGIN. In-Reply-To: <153075.81352.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <699788.49736.qm@web46401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <153075.81352.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 05:45:14 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >To find the treasure, you will need to follow a series of clues. > "The crypto-key to this section is engraved on a pyramid on the third moon of the second planet of Epsilon Eridani." (Hopefully more than just Sterling will get that reference.) From prairiecactus at rtcol.com Sun Aug 2 12:01:07 2009 From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com (Phil Whitmer) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:01:07 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? Message-ID: <9A2A20C6CB9F42A89D726FA5007F7A0F@whitmerjbqtim1> What I like about meteorwrong eBay auctions, aside from the atrocious spelling, are the out of focus, poorly lit photos. The descriptions are generally pretty funny too. Phil Whitmer From countdeiro at earthlink.net Sun Aug 2 12:43:01 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:43:01 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? Message-ID: <16106254.1249231381734.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Phil and List, I think you could post pictures of a burnt chesseburger on eBay and get a 100.00 for it. Count Deiro -----Original Message----- >From: Phil Whitmer >Sent: Aug 2, 2009 9:01 AM >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? > > What I like about meteorwrong eBay auctions, aside from the atrocious >spelling, are the out of focus, poorly lit photos. The descriptions are >generally pretty funny too. > >Phil Whitmer > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 13:10:38 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? In-Reply-To: <16106254.1249231381734.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <512342.54582.qm@web46408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > I think you could post pictures of a burnt chesseburger on > eBay and get a 100.00 for it. If it looked like virgin Mary, you might get $100,000.... I heard William Shatner wanted to sell his kidney stone for Charity on ebay. Greg C. --- On Sun, 8/2/09, countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote: > From: countdeiro at earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? > To: "Phil Whitmer" , meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 12:43 PM > Hi Phil and List, > > I think you could post pictures of a burnt chesseburger on > eBay and get a 100.00 for it. > > Count Deiro > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Phil Whitmer > >Sent: Aug 2, 2009 9:01 AM > >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible > Meteorite? > > > > What I like about meteorwrong eBay auctions, aside > from the atrocious > >spelling,? are the out of focus, poorly lit > photos. The descriptions are > >generally pretty funny too. > > > >Phil Whitmer > > > >______________________________________________ > >http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From fujmon at mac.com Sun Aug 2 12:19:08 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 06:19:08 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? In-Reply-To: <9A2A20C6CB9F42A89D726FA5007F7A0F@whitmerjbqtim1> References: <9A2A20C6CB9F42A89D726FA5007F7A0F@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: I'd have to agree with Phil here. The meteorwrong listings on eBay do provide some humorous diversion when trolling for potential acquisitions. But that listing Michael Groetz posted earlier has to take the award as the one with the most atroshus speeling an grammer. ;^) On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:01 AM, Phil Whitmer wrote: > What I like about meteorwrong eBay auctions, aside from the > atrocious spelling, are the out of focus, poorly lit photos. The > descriptions are generally pretty funny too. > > Phil Whitmer > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Sun Aug 2 13:40:38 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:40:38 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike/All: I asked the seller a question whether it was magnetic and he responded: "I have checked it with a regular magnet, and it seems like it may be slightly magnetic...But I don't have a rare earth magnet, just a refrig, mag...And I have other classifide meteorites that are hardly magnetic at all..... I hope this helps you. Thanks for asking" Interesting that he has other meteorites. It's hard to tell from the photo, thus is a good meteowrong. My guess would be a Hemetite. Is there Iron Oxides in the region of Ohio? Greg S ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:51:48 -0400 > From: mpg4444 at gmail.com > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? > > Hello- > Not sure if any of you were following (or possibly won) this ebay auction: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Unclassified-meteorite-242-2-g-Salt-Fork-State-Park_W0QQitemZ320404111590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9992c0e6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 > > I was very surprised to see it sold for $33 (started at $9.99) > after (5) bids. I have to admit I watched it since I live maybe 50 > miles from where it was found and have been to the area often. > I know chances are extremely minimal this is really a meteorite- > but somebody is really placing their bets on it. The descriptive > paragraph has many errors and assumptions. For a meteorite to survive > in Ohio damp ground, yet be found it that condition, would be nearly > impossible. > I would appreciate other's opinions, and if one of you were the > buyer- let us know what you received! > Thank You > Mike G.. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM From countdeiro at earthlink.net Sun Aug 2 14:10:25 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:10:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? Message-ID: <2719315.1249236625772.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Greg, Mike, List, I looked at the bidding record for this whatever and the half dozen participants in the auction ALL have hundreds of purchases of ..not just bid on, but won...meteorites and tektites. Lotta gamblers out there. I've already burnt a loaf a bread trying to get an image of Obama...contrast problem...:) Count Deiro -----Original Message----- >From: Greg Stanley >Sent: Aug 2, 2009 10:40 AM >To: mpg4444 at gmail.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? > > > >Mike/All: > >I asked the seller a question whether it was magnetic and he responded: > >"I >have checked it with a regular magnet, and it seems like it may be >slightly magnetic...But I don't have a rare earth magnet, just a >refrig, mag...And I have other classifide meteorites that are hardly >magnetic at all..... I hope this helps you. Thanks for asking" > >Interesting that he has other meteorites. It's hard to tell from the photo, thus is a good meteowrong. My guess would be a Hemetite. > >Is there Iron Oxides in the region of Ohio? > >Greg S > >---------------------------------------- >> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:51:48 -0400 >> From: mpg4444 at gmail.com >> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? >> >> Hello- >> Not sure if any of you were following (or possibly won) this ebay auction: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Unclassified-meteorite-242-2-g-Salt-Fork-State-Park_W0QQitemZ320404111590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9992c0e6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 >> >> I was very surprised to see it sold for $33 (started at $9.99) >> after (5) bids. I have to admit I watched it since I live maybe 50 >> miles from where it was found and have been to the area often. >> I know chances are extremely minimal this is really a meteorite- >> but somebody is really placing their bets on it. The descriptive >> paragraph has many errors and assumptions. For a meteorite to survive >> in Ohio damp ground, yet be found it that condition, would be nearly >> impossible. >> I would appreciate other's opinions, and if one of you were the >> buyer- let us know what you received! >> Thank You >> Mike G.. >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your vacation photos on your phone! >http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Sun Aug 2 14:11:36 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:11:36 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mineral Luster in Achondites Message-ID: All: I have a question to the List: this is based on a number of meteorites I have purchased, which include the achondrites. I have noticed that the mineral components (Olivine, Pyroxene and other crystals) in some of my achondrites have a very adamantine luster in the mineral components. When I compare them to other 'earth' rocks, the luster is not the same. To me there is a stricking difference. Has anyone else noticed this? If so, could this perhaps aid in spotting an achondrite (some kinds) that have undergone weathering and have no fusion crust. I have found many chondrites, and feel that there could be achondrites out there too, but they are being overlooked. If the luster is different in 'space rocks' then what could cause this? Much Thanks, Greg S. _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Sun Aug 2 15:21:03 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:21:03 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 In-Reply-To: <70065DAD-DB79-443B-96DF-E2E27D9CE4A6@notkin.net> References: <70065DAD-DB79-443B-96DF-E2E27D9CE4A6@notkin.net> Message-ID: Geoff: Very nice - beautiful photos. Very interesting wildlife. Thanks for sharing. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > From: geoking at notkin.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:37:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 > >> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_1_2009.html > > > Dear Phillippe and Michael: > > What a gorgeous photo! I went on to look through the Meteoritica site, > and some of Philippe's adventure photos are stunning. I highly > recommend that List members make a visit to these photo albums: > > http://www.meteoritica.com/arabian%20sands.htm > > http://www.meteoritica.com/saharan%20pictures.htm > > > Beautiful work by a very talented photographer. My compliments. > > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From geoking at notkin.net Sun Aug 2 16:00:39 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:00:39 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Articles on Geology.com Web Site In-Reply-To: <588423.44681.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <588423.44681.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Paul wrote: > What Are Meteorites > > http://geology.com/meteorites/ Dear Paul: Thank you kindly for posting links to my meteorite articles on Geology.com. Dr. Hobart King and I devised "Meteorwritings" as an entry-level/mid- level column aimed at introducing a wider geology and general science audience to our favorite subject. Geology.com is one of the world's top science sites with tremendous daily traffic, so I hope we have a few new converts : ) The first ten articles were published on a monthly schedule. We recently went to a quarterly format in order to increase the longevity of each piece, and to give us a little more time to prepare new features. For every installment we take new, original photos that, hopefully, well illustrate the featured topic for that month. Meteorite List members Leigh Anne DelRay and Suzanne Morrison have both contributed excellent photographs to the column. The beautiful "Meteorwritings" fireball and constellation title banner was created by accomplished Tucson illustrator Tim Arbon, who also designed the new Art Deco-inspired Aerolite Meteorites logo: http://www.aerolite.org/ We plan to continue "Meteorwritings" indefinitely. The next episode will be published on October 1, 2009. I hope you found the articles enjoyable, and if you or any other List members have suggestions for future "Meteorwritings" topics, please let me know. And thanks for reading! Respectfully, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 16:04:57 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:04:57 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Articles on Geology.com Web Site In-Reply-To: References: <588423.44681.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't know if the subject matter is appropriate for the Geology.com series of articles, but I would love to see an informative article about getting meteorites classified - where it is done, what tests are done, what equipment is used, how are pairings determined, and then how the meteorites goes from classification to publication in the Met Bulletin. So far, I have never seen an article of this nature anywhere on the web. Best regards, MikeG On 8/2/09, Notkin wrote: > Paul wrote: > >> What Are Meteorites >> >> http://geology.com/meteorites/ > > > Dear Paul: > > Thank you kindly for posting links to my meteorite articles on > Geology.com. > > Dr. Hobart King and I devised "Meteorwritings" as an entry-level/mid- > level column aimed at introducing a wider geology and general science > audience to our favorite subject. Geology.com is one of the world's > top science sites with tremendous daily traffic, so I hope we have a > few new converts : ) > > The first ten articles were published on a monthly schedule. We > recently went to a quarterly format in order to increase the longevity > of each piece, and to give us a little more time to prepare new > features. For every installment we take new, original photos that, > hopefully, well illustrate the featured topic for that month. > Meteorite List members Leigh Anne DelRay and Suzanne Morrison have > both contributed excellent photographs to the column. The beautiful > "Meteorwritings" fireball and constellation title banner was created > by accomplished Tucson illustrator Tim Arbon, who also designed the > new Art Deco-inspired Aerolite Meteorites logo: > > http://www.aerolite.org/ > > We plan to continue "Meteorwritings" indefinitely. The next episode > will be published on October 1, 2009. I hope you found the articles > enjoyable, and if you or any other List members have suggestions for > future "Meteorwritings" topics, please let me know. And thanks for > reading! > > > Respectfully, > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 16:54:18 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:54:18 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sale auctions on ebay NWA 753/Kem Kem, Hope Creek, Wagon Mound, NWA 982- Nice AHOW, Message-ID: Hello fellow Meteorite Collectors, Sorry for the email, someone wrote me from the list saying the link didn't work to my seller's page and asked if I put it through again to the list. My apologies. Brian http://shop.ebay.com/searchingforfun/m.html How are you? I hope you're having a great weekend and having great weather! I listed a few meteorites on ebay tonight and there are a few ending on Monday. Please have a look if you like or have time. NWA 753 sometimes referred to pseudonym Kem Kem 19.71 grams, Very large and hard to find in this size specimen Hope Creek from Alaska with crust, Miles 4.11 grams, from Australia , Uvalde from Texas, and Dimmitt from Texas, Kaufman from Texas, Dawn (a) Texas NWA 982 a nice AHOW - Achondrite Howardite Long Island from Kansas and Overland Park from Kansas Wagon Mound from New Mexico Canyon Diablo from Arizona Please have a look at my ebay seller's page by clicking the link here. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/searchingforfun_ Happy hunting and clear skies! Have a great rest of the weekend! Brian searchingforfun is my ebay User Id IMCA # 6387 From cynapse at charter.net Sun Aug 2 18:56:10 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:56:10 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Make your own meteorite! Or at least meteor. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://spacefellowship.com/2009/08/01/interorbital-syatems-tubesat-personal-satellite-kit/ From pshugar at clearwire.net Sun Aug 2 17:53:15 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:53:15 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? Message-ID: Anybody have a look at this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360161621595&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT I gotta wonder because he states that it is not white inside. BUT, his customers are all HAPPY? What's the posibility this is another older fall in the same general area as West-Ash Creek fall. Pete IMCA 1733 From cdtucson at cox.net Sat Aug 1 20:19:29 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:19:29 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Cockpitviewofshuttlelanding Message-ID: <20090801201929.5FXVB.580347.imail@fed1rmwml46> Very Cool. Enjoy the ride. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4119762308100069754 -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax From cdtucson at cox.net Sun Aug 2 12:39:19 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 9:39:19 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090802123919.3LJA0.583399.imail@fed1rmwml43> Michael, It does look like a possible meteorite. I like the flow lines in the third photo but $33.00 more than I would risk to find out unless they showed the filed area. In future if I were you I would ask for a nickel test and a density test. This is THE easiest test to do. Simply need a scale and some water. If it is just magnetite the bulk density will be around 5. if iron meteorite it will be around 7-8. Big difference for my $33.00 gamble. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- Michael Groetz wrote: > Hello- > Not sure if any of you were following (or possibly won) this ebay auction: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Unclassified-meteorite-242-2-g-Salt-Fork-State-Park_W0QQitemZ320404111590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9992c0e6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 > > I was very surprised to see it sold for $33 (started at $9.99) > after (5) bids. I have to admit I watched it since I live maybe 50 > miles from where it was found and have been to the area often. > I know chances are extremely minimal this is really a meteorite- > but somebody is really placing their bets on it. The descriptive > paragraph has many errors and assumptions. For a meteorite to survive > in Ohio damp ground, yet be found it that condition, would be nearly > impossible. > I would appreciate other's opinions, and if one of you were the > buyer- let us know what you received! > Thank You > Mike G.. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From eric at meteoritesusa.com Sun Aug 2 19:34:11 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:34:11 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Must Sell - Personal Collection Pieces Too Message-ID: <4A762273.8050709@meteoritesusa.com> Hi List, In light of the current economic weather we're combining EVERYTHING we have listed right now on Ebay and our website and putting a BUY ALL price on it. Some of these pieces are from our personal collection. Pieces we really don't want to let go, but we must. --------------------------------------- This is a take all deal... $1199 For ALL our Ebay Items (plus the items below) http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/freel3orn (This deal excludes items with current bids) *** I will subtract from the purchase price according to what sells individually. Plus You Get EVERYTHING on this page too... http://www.meteoritesusa.com/special.htm (Shipped Free In The USA) International customers I will ship according to actual rates charged us by USPS. ---------------------------------------- Paypal payment or bank transfer only. I will ship first thing tomorrow. All reasonable offers will be considered. Contact me off-list or call me for more info or offers: 904-236-5394 Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 20:16:11 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:16:11 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This guy has been selling a wide variety of assorted fakes over the last 2+ years. He occasionally sells a real meteorite to make things interesting. But the majority of his specimens are dubious at best - including some bogus lunaites. I seriously doubt these are West meteorites, or meteorites at all. If his customers are happy, then someone please tell them that I have some swampland available at discount. ;) On 8/2/09, Pete Shugar wrote: > Anybody have a look at this? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360161621595&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > > I gotta wonder because he states that it is not white inside. > BUT, his customers are all HAPPY? > What's the posibility this is another older fall in the same general area as > West-Ash Creek fall. > Pete IMCA 1733 > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From cynapse at charter.net Sun Aug 2 21:55:33 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:55:33 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:16:11 -0400, you wrote: >including some bogus lunaites. I seriously doubt these are West >meteorites, or meteorites at all. If his customers are happy, then >someone please tell them that I have some swampland available at >discount. ;) Hey, I hear that those boggy creeks are great places for finding lunites. From magbish3 at lowcountry.com Sun Aug 2 20:50:26 2009 From: magbish3 at lowcountry.com (Mal Bishop) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:50:26 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] test Message-ID: <4A763452.6090200@lowcountry.com> test...ignore. Mal From magbish3 at lowcountry.com Sun Aug 2 20:35:42 2009 From: magbish3 at lowcountry.com (Mal Bishop) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:35:42 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] *** AD *** Large, Gorgeous Campo del Cielo Iron with coin, display case and more Message-ID: <4A7630DE.8080807@lowcountry.com> A month ago I offered up for sell a 10,820g Campo del Cielo iron to the list. Although I had a few bites, in the end nothing gelled; therefore, I'll try one more time. Again, it's a 10.82kg ( approximately 24 pounds) Campo of AAA quality with deep pits, nice regmaglypts overall, and just a nicely sculpted piece. It is a very exquisite example of Campo and very, very stable! Campos this nice seem to lean more to the rare side of the scale, and those that know me and have purchased from me in the past know I don't lightly suggest something is nice, or exquisite unless it were so. I will include along with the Campo del Cielo meteorite a Campo commemorative coin/medallion (numbered), a handsome display case with a wood/acrylic base and acrylic cover, an iron meteorite element set showing examples of the 5 main elements which make up a typical iron meteorite, and 2 limited edition Campo del Cielo 3-D stamps (including 3-D glasses) printed/ issued in Buenos Aires, Argentina in their unopened shrink wrapped packaging . ... and of course, I'll also include the meteorite display info card and the 8.5 x 11 inch COA (certificate of authenticity) issued by the dealer I purchased it from a couple of years ago. BTW, the COA is gorgeous as well and very suitable for framing! I was asking $1800 for all of the items listed above which did not include the cost of shipping or insurance. However, I'm lowering the asking price to $1700, and I'm offering to pay the postage and insurance within the United States -- if someone internationally wants it, we'll have to discuss the shipping costs and come to some mutual agreement since shipping overseas costs much more than if shipping within the USA. I initially paid $2100 for the rock alone . The case and coin together were around another $150, the element set another $40 ...so all told this is basically a deal that cost me over $2300 when all totaled with shipping costs, etc. which someone can now have for $1700 total and complete (I believe in full disclosure -- not trying to make a profit, just pay bills) ! This is a steal of a deal -- I don't understand why really nice Campos don't seem to get the respect and admiration I feel they deserve! I'll send photos to anyone SERIOUSLY interested in talking deal. I can easily say this is one of my more favorite irons I've had in my collection since I started collecting in 1994. I wouldn't even be considering the selling of it (and now I'm basically letting it go for a song and dance especially with all of the extra goodies I'm offering with it) if it weren't for being out of work and mounting debt, etc.! Believe me, whosoever is the new owner of this piece will be more than highly satisfied and I think very proud to call it their own as they proudly put it up for display!!! Regards to all, Mal P.S. I may be slow in responding to any inquires for I have to step out for a bit, but be assured I'll answer emails in the order I receive them! From magbish3 at lowcountry.com Sun Aug 2 20:54:47 2009 From: magbish3 at lowcountry.com (Mal Bishop) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:54:47 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] *** AD *** Large, Gorgeous Campo del Cielo Iron with coin, display case and more Message-ID: <4A763557.9060202@lowcountry.com> A month ago I offered up for sell a 10,820g Campo del Cielo iron to the list. Although I had a few bites, in the end nothing gelled; therefore, I'll try one more time. Again, it's a 10.82kg ( approximately 24 pounds) Campo of AAA quality with deep pits, nice regmaglypts overall, and just a nicely sculpted piece. It is a very exquisite example of Campo and very, very stable! Campos this nice seem to lean more to the rare side of the scale, and those that know me and have purchased from me in the past know I don't lightly suggest something is nice, or exquisite unless it were so. I will include along with the Campo del Cielo meteorite a Campo commemorative coin/medallion (numbered), a handsome display case with a wood/acrylic base and acrylic cover, an iron meteorite element set showing examples of the 5 main elements which make up a typical iron meteorite, and 2 limited edition Campo del Cielo 3-D stamps (including 3-D glasses) printed/ issued in Buenos Aires, Argentina in their unopened shrink wrapped packaging . ... and of course, I'll also include the meteorite display info card and the 8.5 x 11 inch COA (certificate of authenticity) issued by the dealer I purchased it from a couple of years ago. BTW, the COA is gorgeous as well and very suitable for framing! I was asking $1800 for all of the items listed above which did not include the cost of shipping or insurance. However, I'm lowering the asking price to $1700, and I'm offering to pay the postage and insurance within the United States -- if someone internationally wants it, we'll have to discuss the shipping costs and come to some mutual agreement since shipping overseas costs much more than if shipping within the USA. I initially paid $2100 for the rock alone . The case and coin together were around another $150, the element set another $40 ...so all told this is basically a deal that cost me over $2300 when all totaled with shipping costs, etc. which someone can now have for $1700 total and complete (I believe in full disclosure -- not trying to make a profit, just pay bills) ! This is a steal of a deal -- I don't understand why really nice Campos don't seem to get the respect and admiration I feel they deserve! I'll send photos to anyone SERIOUSLY interested in talking deal. I can easily say this is one of my more favorite irons I've had in my collection since I started collecting in 1994. I wouldn't even be considering the selling of it (and now I'm basically letting it go for a song and dance especially with all of the extra goodies I'm offering with it) if it weren't for being out of work and mounting debt, etc.! Believe me, whosoever is the new owner of this piece will be more than highly satisfied and I think very proud to call it their own as they proudly put it up for display!!! Regards to all, Mal P.S. I may be slow in responding to any inquires for I have to step out for a bit, but be assured I'll answer emails in the order I receive them! From prairiecactus at rtcol.com Sun Aug 2 22:30:18 2009 From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com (Phil Whitmer) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:30:18 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? Message-ID: <0BCC9E1C84DA4448B26DE716A9BD42E1@whitmerjbqtim1> He tells you in the description what it is: it's a varnished hematite/limonite concretion, which are common in that area. Phil Whitmer From mlblood at cox.net Sun Aug 2 23:19:45 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:19:45 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? In-Reply-To: <512342.54582.qm@web46408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Woe is me, LONG before eBay - or the internet, or home computers or the like (in my mid 30s?) I had a chance to get a rectal thermometer WITH A Notarized statement from a registered nurse stating it had been used To take the temperature of Elvis Presley...... Price? $20!!!!!!! Can you imagine what I would get for that sucker on eBay today????? Alas and alack, Michael On 8/2/09 10:10 AM, "Greg Catterton" wrote: > >> I think you could post pictures of a burnt chesseburger on >> eBay and get a 100.00 for it. > > If it looked like virgin Mary, you might get $100,000.... > I heard William Shatner wanted to sell his kidney stone for Charity on ebay. > > > Greg C. > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/2/09, countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote: > >> From: countdeiro at earthlink.net >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? >> To: "Phil Whitmer" , >> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 12:43 PM >> Hi Phil and List, >> >> I think you could post pictures of a burnt chesseburger on >> eBay and get a 100.00 for it. >> >> Count Deiro >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Phil Whitmer >>> Sent: Aug 2, 2009 9:01 AM >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible >> Meteorite? >>> >>> What I like about meteorwrong eBay auctions, aside >> from the atrocious >>> spelling,? are the out of focus, poorly lit >> photos. The descriptions are >>> generally pretty funny too. >>> >>> Phil Whitmer >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From anitawestlake at att.net Mon Aug 3 10:21:11 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 In-Reply-To: References: <70065DAD-DB79-443B-96DF-E2E27D9CE4A6@notkin.net> Message-ID: <355277.91527.qm@web83804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The camels at the "litter trough" were amazing! Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: Greg Stanley To: geoking at notkin.net; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 3:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 Geoff: Very nice - beautiful photos.? Very interesting wildlife. Thanks for sharing. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > From: geoking at notkin.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:37:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 > >> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_1_2009.html > > > Dear Phillippe and Michael: > > What a gorgeous photo! I went on to look through the Meteoritica site, > and some of Philippe's adventure photos are stunning. I highly > recommend that List members make a visit to these photo albums: > > http://www.meteoritica.com/arabian%20sands.htm > > http://www.meteoritica.com/saharan%20pictures.htm > > > Beautiful work by a very talented photographer. My compliments. > > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From raremeteorites at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 12:46:36 2009 From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Take A Look - Steals! Message-ID: <807623.20598.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear List Members, Finds from the Sahara Desert continue to decline sharply, maybe representing 1/10th of peak. Like any market, the lack of new supply will surely drive up prices. Large stockpiles are now nearly exhausted and meteorites are not a readily renewable resource or a commodity. The desert gold rush is definitely over! This is not a scare tactic, merely the truth. A few rarities will continue to be found but the trend is definitely not in our favor. I have many great auctions due to end this afternoon and tomorrow so take a look if you are interested in some rarities and bargains. There are several items that have not been bid on yet so now may be a great opportunity to get a steal legally. There are even a couple of items worth around a $1,000.00 started at just 99 cents. I cannot afford to keep doing this month after month as these items can never be replaced. Click on this link to see some outstanding auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, ------------------------------------ Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteorites at yahoo.com From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Mon Aug 3 14:17:21 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:17:21 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Make your own meteorite! Or at least meteor. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is funny, Reminds me when we would put Tadpoles in the payload section of the Estes rockets back in the '70s... we were kids then. I really like the On-orbit Advertising idea. Greg S ---------------------------------------- > From: cynapse at charter.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:56:10 -0500 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Make your own meteorite! Or at least meteor. > > http://spacefellowship.com/2009/08/01/interorbital-syatems-tubesat-personal-satellite-kit/ > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From fujmon at mac.com Mon Aug 3 17:50:32 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:50:32 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? Message-ID: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> Aloha, In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 18:07:13 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:07:13 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? In-Reply-To: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> References: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> Message-ID: Good eye Gary. :) This is a perfect of example of how UNWA material can benefit the collector (to learn more about meteoritics). Also, material such as this may present something interesting and new to science. Who knows what discoveries await hidden away inside UNWA stones. Keep us posted on the results. :) On 8/3/09, Gary Fujihara wrote: > Aloha, > > In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a > peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the > meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature > to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is > euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical > feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like > this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? > > I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping > someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. > > http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Mon Aug 3 18:45:41 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:45:41 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? In-Reply-To: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> References: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> Message-ID: Gary: That is an amazing specimen. My first thought would be a plagioclase, but I noticed in the video that at one angle it looked greenish; perhaps some kind of orthopyroxene that is exhibiting iridescence. Please let us know when you get the test results. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > From: fujmon at mac.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:50:32 -1000 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? > > Aloha, > > In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a > peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the > meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature > to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is > euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical > feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like > this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? > > I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping > someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. > > http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 18:54:04 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:54:04 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? In-Reply-To: References: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> Message-ID: What really strikes me about this possible lodranite is how closely it resembles a H6 or H7 chondrite. I've had a couple of UNWA stones that look alot like this lodranite, but I never paid them much mind because they didn't obviously look interesting - like some achondrites do or a type loaded with chondrules. I wonder if I've accidentally let something like this slip by.... Best regards, MikeG On 8/3/09, Greg Stanley wrote: > > Gary: > > That is an amazing specimen. My first thought would be a plagioclase, but I > noticed in the video that at one angle it looked greenish; perhaps some kind > of orthopyroxene that is exhibiting iridescence. > > Please let us know when you get the test results. > > Greg S. > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: fujmon at mac.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:50:32 -1000 >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? >> >> Aloha, >> >> In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a >> peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the >> meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature >> to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is >> euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical >> feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like >> this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? >> >> I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping >> someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. >> >> http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html >> >> Gary Fujihara >> AstroDay Institute >> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >> http://astroday.net >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From nuuska at dlc.fi Mon Aug 3 18:55:32 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:55:32 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? In-Reply-To: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> References: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> Message-ID: <4A776AE4.4070103@dlc.fi> To me the form of the crystal looks like typical plagioglace feldspar, (labradorite), (anorthosite + albite), /N//a/(/A//l//S//i/3/O/8)/C//a/(/A/12/S//i/208). You can find some pics of the crystals of finnish iridecent labradorite (Spectrolite) from; http://www.finnishspectrolite.com/finlang/galleria/kuvat/spektroliitti012.html Just my 2 cents, please, let us know, what it really is, when have the piece analyzed :-) best, pekka s Gary Fujihara kirjoitti: > Aloha, > > In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a > peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the > meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature > to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is > euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical > feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like > this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? > > I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping > someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. > > http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2279 - Release Date: 08/03/09 05:57:00 > > -- Pekka Savolainen Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Rasala FINLAND member of IMCA #5776 www.imca.cc From countdeiro at earthlink.net Mon Aug 3 20:29:20 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:29:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? Message-ID: <11116596.1249345760683.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dear Pekka and List, Your 2 cents worth makes one wonder what ten cents worth would have brought to the eyes! What an extraordinary group of specimens! The variety and beauty of the crystals is so overwhelming that I, for one, will try to collect as much of this material as I can afford.. With admiration and thanks, Count Deiro -----Original Message----- >From: Pekka Savolainen >Sent: Aug 3, 2009 3:55 PM >To: Gary Fujihara >Cc: MeteorList >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? > > >To me the form of the crystal looks like typical plagioglace feldspar, >(labradorite), (anorthosite + albite), >/N//a/(/A//l//S//i/3/O/8)/C//a/(/A/12/S//i/208). > >You can find some pics of the crystals of finnish iridecent labradorite >(Spectrolite) from; > >http://www.finnishspectrolite.com/finlang/galleria/kuvat/spektroliitti012.html > > >Just my 2 cents, please, let us know, what it really is, when have the piece >analyzed :-) > >best, > >pekka s > > > > >Gary Fujihara kirjoitti: >> Aloha, >> >> In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a >> peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the >> meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature >> to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is >> euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical >> feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like >> this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? >> >> I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping >> someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. >> >> http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html >> >> Gary Fujihara >> AstroDay Institute >> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >> http://astroday.net >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2279 - Release Date: 08/03/09 05:57:00 >> >> > > >-- > > >Pekka Savolainen > >Solar Gems > >Jokiharjuntie 4 >FI-71330 >Rasala >FINLAND > >member of IMCA #5776 > >www.imca.cc > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 20:58:30 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:58:30 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? In-Reply-To: <11116596.1249345760683.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11116596.1249345760683.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Spectrolite is quite beautiful. :) I've always wanted to put some in my rock tumbler. Best regards, MikeG On 8/3/09, countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote: > Dear Pekka and List, > > Your 2 cents worth makes one wonder what ten cents worth would have brought > to the eyes! What an extraordinary group of specimens! The variety and > beauty of the crystals is so overwhelming that I, for one, will try to > collect as much of this material as I can afford.. > > With admiration and thanks, > > Count Deiro > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Pekka Savolainen >>Sent: Aug 3, 2009 3:55 PM >>To: Gary Fujihara >>Cc: MeteorList >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is >> it? >> >> >>To me the form of the crystal looks like typical plagioglace feldspar, >>(labradorite), (anorthosite + albite), >>/N//a/(/A//l//S//i/3/O/8)/C//a/(/A/12/S//i/208). >> >>You can find some pics of the crystals of finnish iridecent labradorite >>(Spectrolite) from; >> >>http://www.finnishspectrolite.com/finlang/galleria/kuvat/spektroliitti012.html >> >> >>Just my 2 cents, please, let us know, what it really is, when have the >> piece >>analyzed :-) >> >>best, >> >>pekka s >> >> >> >> >>Gary Fujihara kirjoitti: >>> Aloha, >>> >>> In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a >>> peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the >>> meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature >>> to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is >>> euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical >>> feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like >>> this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? >>> >>> I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping >>> someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. >>> >>> http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html >>> >>> Gary Fujihara >>> AstroDay Institute >>> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >>> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >>> http://astroday.net >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2279 - Release Date: >>> 08/03/09 05:57:00 >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >> >> >>Pekka Savolainen >> >>Solar Gems >> >>Jokiharjuntie 4 >>FI-71330 >>Rasala >>FINLAND >> >>member of IMCA #5776 >> >>www.imca.cc >> >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From edeckert at triad.rr.com Mon Aug 3 22:15:02 2009 From: edeckert at triad.rr.com (Ed Deckert) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:15:02 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Make your own meteorite! Or at least meteor. References: Message-ID: <007701ca14a9$607920e0$6401a8c0@EdDeckertMain> Ah yes, I have many fond memories from the '60s and '70s launching Estes rockets! We launched with payloads of frogs and grasshoppers. The frogs seemed to fare much better though after recovery... Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stanley" To: ; Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Make your own meteorite! Or at least meteor. > > > This is funny, > > Reminds me when we would put Tadpoles in the payload section of the Estes > rockets back in the '70s... we were kids then. > > I really like the On-orbit Advertising idea. > > Greg S > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: cynapse at charter.net >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:56:10 -0500 >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Make your own meteorite! Or at least meteor. >> >> http://spacefellowship.com/2009/08/01/interorbital-syatems-tubesat-personal-satellite-kit/ >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get free photo software from Windows Live > http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From info at tektiteinc.com Mon Aug 3 22:15:59 2009 From: info at tektiteinc.com (info at tektiteinc.com) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Australite Flanged Button ENDING soon on eBay. Message-ID: <43683.127.0.0.1.1249352159.squirrel@syd-srv07.ezyreg.com> Hello all, Just a quick one to let you know that my Australite Fully Flanged Button is ending soon on eBay. Still no takers even with a low starting price! Thanks! Cheers, Desmond Leong IMCA #2254 http://www.TektiteInc.com http://stores.ebay.com/Tektite-Inc http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtektiteinc-dot-com From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Tue Aug 4 00:12:33 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:12:33 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 4, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_4_2009.html __________________________ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From pshugar at clearwire.net Tue Aug 4 00:33:56 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:33:56 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Re make your own Meteorite Message-ID: <681062A2D11B4957A7C86D3837B553AA@laptop> List, Having been active in ham radio from almost the beguiling of the Amateur radio during the hey day of AMSAT-OSCAR program, I can tell you that the thrill of hearing your own return signal from the bird is a thrill every time you do it. It never ceased to get my heartbeat up 10 points. I ran the astounding power out into a ground plain antenna of 10 whole watts on the two meter uplink and with the down link on the 10 meter band. My very first contact was on AO6, otherwise called OSCAR 6 to JA1JRK in Japan while I was in Anchorage, Alaska. We had all of about 6 minutes of mutual access to the bird. I didn't see how I might become an astronaught, so this was the next best thing. My best contact was when I visited a friend's Shack. He was into moonbounce. This is where you transmit a 70 cm SSB signal into a 24 foot dish aimed at the moon and you heard your return 2.4 seconds later. It always gave me the willies because the signal had a warble to it that was unreal. I did some work when AO7 was launched. If the two birds were spaced just right, you could uplink on AO6 and AO7 would get the downlink and retransmit on it's downlink. This would allow you a much further distance to talk that either one alone. One mystery did crop up. There was an occasion of a reverse doplar. I never got to hear it directly, but I listened to the recorded tapes of the inverted dopplar. When the train approaches the whistle rises in pitch and as it departs, the whistle lowers in pitch. The same applies to a radio wave, but as the bird made a south to north pass over (get ready for it) the Bermuda triangle. the doplar was inverted no less than 7 or 8 passes during several days.. The cause was never identified. THAT was creepy. Ah, the good ol' days. It's late so I'll save another adventure re AO7's death and resurection 20 plus years later for retelling then. 73's de Pete KL7GNW-IMCA 1733 From mikewren at gilanet.com Tue Aug 4 01:20:02 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:20:02 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End On Thursday* Some Nice Specimens Message-ID: <184A4A82-9030-4B54-BA0D-8FC58393405C@gilanet.com> Hello, To See ALL Auctions for This Week... Go Here: http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ Best Wishes and Thanks Michael Cottingham From countdeiro at earthlink.net Tue Aug 4 02:57:34 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:57:34 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Re make your own Meteorite Message-ID: <4745410.1249369055052.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -.-- --.- -.-- --.- .-. .-.. --... -.. -. .-- . .. . -.- .- --... .--. .-- . CQ CQ CQ KL7GNW FROM KA7PWE SEEING AS WERE BOTH OLD HAMS WE MIGHT AS WELL LOG A QSL. MY BIGGEST THRILL WAS WORKING 40 METER CODE (200 WATTS FROM AN 80' YAGI) AND PICKING UP THE ELECTRONIC WARFARE OFFICER ON A "BOOMER" FIVE DAYS OUT OF PEARL. HE SENT A GREAT CARD, BUT NO NAME ON THE SUB. DID "WAS" IN CODE AND IT TOOK ME 15 YEARS. WENT SILENT NEARLY TWENTY YEARS AGO AND NOW IT'S METRORITES ONLY... SEVENS AND THREES ... .-. .- --... .--. .-- . -----Original Message----- >From: Pete Shugar >Sent: Aug 3, 2009 9:33 PM >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Re make your own Meteorite > >List, >Having been active in ham radio from almost the beguiling >of the Amateur radio during the hey day of AMSAT-OSCAR >program, I can tell you that the thrill of hearing your own return >signal from the bird is a thrill every time you do it. It never ceased >to get my heartbeat up 10 points. >I ran the astounding power out into a ground plain antenna of 10 whole watts >on the two meter uplink and with the down link on the 10 meter band. >My very first contact was on AO6, otherwise called OSCAR 6 to JA1JRK >in Japan while I was in Anchorage, Alaska. We had all of about 6 minutes of >mutual access to the bird. >I didn't see how I might become an astronaught, so this was the next best >thing. >My best contact was when I visited a friend's Shack. He was into moonbounce. >This is where you transmit a 70 cm SSB signal into a 24 foot dish aimed at >the moon >and you heard your return 2.4 seconds later. It always gave me the willies >because >the signal had a warble to it that was unreal. >I did some work when AO7 was launched. If the two birds were spaced just >right, >you could uplink on AO6 and AO7 would get the downlink and retransmit on >it's >downlink. This would allow you a much further distance to talk that either >one alone. >One mystery did crop up. There was an occasion of a reverse doplar. >I never got to hear it directly, but I listened to the recorded tapes of the >inverted >dopplar. When the train approaches the whistle rises in pitch and as it >departs, the whistle lowers in pitch. The same applies to a radio wave, but >as the bird made a south to north pass over (get ready for it) the Bermuda >triangle. the doplar was inverted no less than 7 or 8 passes during several >days.. The cause was never identified. >THAT was creepy. >Ah, the good ol' days. >It's late so I'll save another adventure re AO7's death and resurection 20 >plus years later for retelling then. >73's de Pete KL7GNW-IMCA 1733 > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de Tue Aug 4 03:13:40 2009 From: Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de (Carsten Giessler) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:13:40 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions Ending Soon! Message-ID: <4A77DFA4.4080102@t-online.de> Hello Dear List, i have some ebay auctions ending soon, all items are still at good prices. Also i have listed many new nice specimens at my ebay-shop. I would be glad if you take a look here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/gipometeorites_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ Many thanks for viewing! Best regards, Carsten -- Carsten Giessler Gipometeorites - www.gi-po.de - email: c-giessler at gi-po.de Member of the Meteoritical Society International Society for Meteoritics and Planetary Science IMCA Member:3457 International Meteorite Collectors Association From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 03:23:36 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? In-Reply-To: <4A776AE4.4070103@dlc.fi> Message-ID: <600584.29278.qm@web55201.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Pekka Savolainen wrote: > To me the form of the crystal looks like typical > plagioglace feldspar, (labradorite), (anorthosite + albite), > /N//a/(/A//l//S//i/3/O/8)/C//a/(/A/12/S//i/208). Agreed in principle-- Going by the semi-waxy luster, cleavage, and apparent crystal form this is certainly not a pyroxene and highly probable that it is a feldspar. How this came into being and came to be in this meteorite present some intriguing --probably rare conditions to explain it. Thanks for presenting it Gary. Elton From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 06:42:39 2009 From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <219894.39322.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I found a few of the same things in West. Look like hematite concretions to me, that may have been struck by lightning driving off the oxygen to make them magnetic. Cheers Steve --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Pete Shugar wrote: > From: Pete Shugar > Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:53 PM > Anybody have a look at this? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360161621595&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > > I gotta wonder because? he states that it is not white > inside. > BUT, his? customers are all HAPPY? > What's the posibility this is another older fall in the > same general area as West-Ash Creek fall. > Pete IMCA 1733 > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From almitt at kconline.com Tue Aug 4 07:14:26 2009 From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitt) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:14:26 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD eBay Auctions Ending In-Reply-To: <681062A2D11B4957A7C86D3837B553AA@laptop> References: <681062A2D11B4957A7C86D3837B553AA@laptop> Message-ID: <669361CE6CBB4BC2ACEBCBC13B9160A4@StarmanPC> Greetings, I have three eBay Auctions ending in a little less than 6 hours time. One nice Gibeon 11.57 kilos at a great price. A full 155 gram Powellsville, Ohio slice, finished both sides, and a Lafayette Martian Meteorite from Indiana in a great ryker display. I took the photo while visiting the Smithsonian. Thanks for your time! --AL Mitterling From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk Tue Aug 4 07:29:42 2009 From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:29:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: 9.9 gram Park Forest slice, dual lithology: Gujba 2.1 grams started at 99p Message-ID: <20742668.31041249385382199.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Listees Some may be interested in a couple little auctions I have running. A beautiful partially fusion crusted slice of the gorgeous hammer Park Forest started at $30 a gram,buy it now $40 a gram.A few watchers hoping to get it at $30 a g by the looks of things http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Meteorite-Park-Forest-beautiful-9-9g-slice- HAMMER-L5_W0QQitemZ320407804408QQ A nice little 2.1 gram endcut of Gujba started at 99p http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Meteorite-GUJBA-Bencubbinite-CBa-RARE-2-1g-99p-N- R_W0QQitemZ320407779271QQ there is another 2.1 gram slice of Gujba also started at 99p 560 gram UNWA fully crusted and partially regmaglypted started at 99p. Lovely big stone http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Meteorite-UNWA-560-gram-fully-crusted-regmaglypt- 99pN-R_W0QQitemZ320407855189QQ also there are 5 slices of nwa2424 provisional CV3 also started at 99p and some nice little 869's cut in half for any newer list members who don't have some of this gorgeous meteorite yet. see all my auctions here http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/emeraldisleminerals thank you and have a great day JB From vs.petrovich at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 07:33:30 2009 From: vs.petrovich at gmail.com (Sergey Vasiliev) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:33:30 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auctions Message-ID: Hello List, I have a few auctions ending tomorrow: 1. Historical (1826!!!) micro Meteorite Pavlograd (L6) - 0.135g with crust: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190324973333 2. Big (1.17g) thin slice of Dar al Gani 400 (ALUN-A): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190325036873 3. Ivuna (CI1) - 0.015g: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190325036909 4. Large slice of Kainsaz (CO3.2) - 19.37 g: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190325036923 5. Small olivines from Krasnojarsk (PAL-MG): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190325036936 6. Museum size full slice of Ozernoe (L6) - 1064g: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190325036945 7. Beautiful crusted slice of Yurtuk (AHOW) - 4.82g: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190325036979 Thank you for your time! Sergey -------------------------------------------------------------- Sergey Vasiliev U Dalnice 839 Prague 5, 155 00 Czech Republic ------------------- http://www.sv-meteorites.com http://impactites.net http://systematic-mineralogy.com http://kazakhstan-minerals.com From hraab at aon.at Tue Aug 4 09:06:21 2009 From: hraab at aon.at (Herbert Raab) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:06:21 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Donating Almahata Sitta to Richard Kowalski Message-ID: <4A784E6D.15322.1BA881@hraab.aon.at> Dear fellow meteorite collectors, about one week ago, I posted a message to this list suggesting to collect some money to buy a sample of the Almahata Sitta meteorite (the remnants of asteroid 2008 TC3) for Richard Kowalski (the discoverer of 2008 TC3 and meteorite collector). By now, US$ 375,-- were donated trough ChipIn, and further US$ 260,-- were collected by other means, giving a total of US$ 635,--. So, I want to say "Thank you!" to all those who have sent donations. Those who still want to donate (any amount, no matter how small or large is welcome) may do so until Friday, August 7 trough this page: http://www.astrometrica.at/kowalski.html By the way, Franck Marchis (who is researcher at the SETI institute) is exploring the possibities to get a sample from the original expeditions by Jenniskens and Shaddad, and sending the donations to the University of Khartoumm (instead of buying a sample from a meteorite dealer), but the outcome is not yet clear. Cheers, Herbert From hraab at aon.at Tue Aug 4 12:31:53 2009 From: hraab at aon.at (Herbert Raab) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:31:53 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Donating Almahata Sitta to Richard Kowalski In-Reply-To: <000f01ca1519$ff684670$fe38d350$@net> References: <4A784E6D.15322.1BA881@hraab.aon.at>, <000f01ca1519$ff684670$fe38d350$@net> Message-ID: <4A787E99.22392.637676@hraab.aon.at> Hello everyone, I have been askes in a private message if the amont we have collected so far is enough to purchase a smaple of the Almahata Sitta meteorite. Everyone can check the specimens that are avilable for a given amount ath this page. (Note that the dealer that offer these samples has offered a 20% discount when we purchase a sample for Richard): http://www.haberer-meteorite.de/english/Asteroid%202008%20tc3/Asteroid%202008%20TC3.html As everyone can see, the amount collected so far is enough to buy a sample, but one of the smaller samples available. So any additional donations will help us to get a more representative sample, and are therefore certainly not for nothing. I don't know what size of specimen we may get from the Jenniskens- Shaddad, if a donation for the University of Khartoumm can be agreed upon. But offering a higher donation would certainly also help in that case. :-) Cheers, Herbert > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Herbert > Raab > Sent: 08/04/2009 6:06 AM > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Donating Almahata Sitta to Richard Kowalski > > > Dear fellow meteorite collectors, > > about one week ago, I posted a message to this list suggesting > to collect some money to buy a sample of the Almahata Sitta > meteorite (the remnants of asteroid 2008 TC3) for Richard > Kowalski (the discoverer of 2008 TC3 and meteorite collector). > > By now, US$ 375,-- were donated trough ChipIn, and further > US$ 260,-- were collected by other means, giving a total of > US$ 635,--. So, I want to say "Thank you!" to all those who > have sent donations. Those who still want to donate (any amount, > no matter how small or large is welcome) may do so until Friday, > August 7 trough this page: > > http://www.astrometrica.at/kowalski.html > > By the way, Franck Marchis (who is researcher at the SETI institute) > is exploring the possibities to get a sample from the original > expeditions by Jenniskens and Shaddad, and sending the donations > to the University of Khartoumm (instead of buying a sample from a > meteorite dealer), but the outcome is not yet clear. > > Cheers, > Herbert > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From mike.hankey at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 15:16:23 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:16:23 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Reported Possible PA Meteorite Found Message-ID: I got this report from someone on my blog: ?On July 26, 2009 I found an unusual rock lying on top of some mulch in my parent?s yard in north-central Maryland (Carroll County). It is totally unlike anything in the area. It looks like a meteorite to me. It is gray, with irregular shape, indentations which appear to have possibly been made by hot gas, and a few small rusty spots. The rock is about 2 inches wide. It is slightly attracted to a strong magnet. No one in the family had put the rock where it was found. No digging has occurred recently around where it was found. The region where this rock was found would be somewhat in line with your projected path of the recent meteor that may have landed near the Susquehanna River.? I asked him to send me some pictures. He did. My first thought is its not a meteorite because: 1) its not black, no fusion crust 2) its from Carrol County which is pretty far away from the trajectory we are currently working with. Would you guys mind looking at the pictures and tell me what you think? The person who reported this is just a kid, so if you could try to keep the comments as kind as possible I'd really appreciate it. The pictures are linked on my site (1st update on the page) http://www.mikesastrophotos.com If you want to leave a comment on the site, please feel free to include a URL to your commercial sites and pick up some free back links. Thanks, Mike P.S. check out yesterday's update for a good laugh. From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Tue Aug 4 15:48:43 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:48:43 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Reported Possible PA Meteorite Found In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At first glance I would say this is NOT from the fall. Fresh falls have a dark fusion crust. I think it could be slag - it's funny because I have a piece sitting on my desk that is dark green with a white coating on it - much like the stone in the pictures. All I can say is when you find a fresh fall, you will know it immediately. They just look so different, like the picture of Ash Creek found in West, TX. I would still take the stone to a university however, as you never know. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:16:23 -0400 > From: mike.hankey at gmail.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Reported Possible PA Meteorite Found > > I got this report from someone on my blog: > > ?On July 26, 2009 I found an unusual rock lying on top of some mulch > in my parent?s yard in north-central Maryland (Carroll County). It is > totally unlike anything in the area. It looks like a meteorite to me. > It is gray, with irregular shape, indentations which appear to have > possibly been made by hot gas, and a few small rusty spots. The rock > is about 2 inches wide. It is slightly attracted to a strong magnet. > No one in the family had put the rock where it was found. No digging > has occurred recently around where it was found. The region where > this rock was found would be somewhat in line with your projected path > of the recent meteor that may have landed near the Susquehanna River.? > > I asked him to send me some pictures. He did. > > My first thought is its not a meteorite because: > > 1) its not black, no fusion crust > 2) its from Carrol County which is pretty far away from the trajectory > we are currently working with. > > Would you guys mind looking at the pictures and tell me what you think? > > The person who reported this is just a kid, so if you could try to > keep the comments as kind as possible I'd really appreciate it. > > The pictures are linked on my site (1st update on the page) > > http://www.mikesastrophotos.com > > If you want to leave a comment on the site, please feel free to > include a URL to your commercial sites and pick up some free back > links. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > P.S. check out yesterday's update for a good laugh. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 4 15:50:50 2009 From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:50:50 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Reported Possible PA Meteorite Found Message-ID: <1602CE09DFFD49E79401B6DE1765D940@ET> Mike, I'm pretty sure this is an Earth rock, limestone maybe? There would almost certainly be fusion crust on a fresh fall. I do like the heart shaped picture though. Phil Whitmer From magellon.ken at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 15:54:09 2009 From: magellon.ken at gmail.com (Ken Newton) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:54:09 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? In-Reply-To: <219894.39322.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <219894.39322.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry if this duplicates Steve, > may have been struck by lightning driving off the oxygen to make them magnetic What???? Haven't heard that one before! Steve, Since you have contributed to this subject, perhaps you can explain why you have listed the following suspect items as meteorites in the "stephen dunklee collection"? http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=244 camp acapulcoite camp diogenite camp howardite camp pallasite camp122006 Limedale Mammoth Springs Do you really think these are meteorites? If 'no', why are they listed beside real meteorites? If 'yes', I suggest this does not improve your image (you once sold self-classified wrongs on eBay but to your credit you stopped) but even calls to question your meteorite photos and any legitimate photos that you have supplied to the Met Bull for reference. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor//MetBullFindphoto.php?credit=stephen+dunklee Do you see my point? Ken On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote: > > I found a few of the same things in West. Look like hematite concretions to me, that may have been struck by lightning driving off the oxygen to make them magnetic. > > Cheers > Steve From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 4 15:41:57 2009 From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:41:57 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alaskan Egg Meteorite Message-ID: <6FDB8BCB9CCB41EF852BFFEEF459EFD1@ET> Here's a real deal, only $1,500. Better hurry, only 2 hours left! http://cgi.ebay.com/Alaskan-Egg-Rock-meteorite_W0QQitemZ280380120583QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147f51e07&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Phil Whitmer From markig at westnet.com Tue Aug 4 16:37:14 2009 From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:37:14 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Message-ID: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the specimen." http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman From pshugar at clearwire.net Tue Aug 4 16:51:59 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:51:59 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alaskan Egg Meteorite References: <6FDB8BCB9CCB41EF852BFFEEF459EFD1@ET> Message-ID: Having lived in Alaska, specifically Kotzebue while working for the Air Force, I can tell you that there were many rocks of that coloration and smoothness. He got exactlly right when he called it an Alaskan Egg Rock because thats just what it is----an egg shaped rock. Pete IMCA 1733 ----- Original Message ----- From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Alaskan Egg Meteorite > Here's a real deal, only $1,500. Better hurry, only 2 hours left! > http://cgi.ebay.com/Alaskan-Egg-Rock-meteorite_W0QQitemZ280380120583QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147f51e07&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 > > Phil Whitmer > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 17:12:17 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:12:17 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay In-Reply-To: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> Message-ID: Hi Mark and List, That's a weird looking etch. I assume, if it's meteorite, that it's oxidized. Are the little black squiggly-lines the result of oxidation? If not, then I've never seen anything like it, in person or in photos. I'm always a little suspect of meteorites and tektites offered by sellers like this. Meteorites is not the seller's main area of knowledge (obviously a terrestrial gem and mineral dealer) - so there is always the increased possibility that the item was misrepresented to the seller and the seller is just passing along the same misinformation, unwittingly. I'd pass on it, personally. Plus it's overseas, so it could be more difficult to get a refund or recourse if there is an issue with the specimen's authenticity. That's just my two cents - actual worth may vary. ;) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/4/09, Mark Grossman wrote: > Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across > on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector > in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the > specimen." > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > Thanks. > > Mark Grossman > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From markig at westnet.com Tue Aug 4 17:18:34 2009 From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:18:34 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> Message-ID: <32DC1595DFF441678947034FC19D46BE@QED> Hi Mike, Thanks for the input. I thought troilite was supposed to be exbibited as round or oval-shaped inclusions in irons like Toluca. I have never seen "crossed lines" of troilite as shown in the photo. Yes, the dealer indicated that he obtained the description from the collector "Ceruda". Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Mark Grossman" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay > Hi Mark and List, > > That's a weird looking etch. I assume, if it's meteorite, that it's > oxidized. Are the little black squiggly-lines the result of > oxidation? If not, then I've never seen anything like it, in person > or in photos. > > I'm always a little suspect of meteorites and tektites offered by > sellers like this. Meteorites is not the seller's main area of > knowledge (obviously a terrestrial gem and mineral dealer) - so there > is always the increased possibility that the item was misrepresented > to the seller and the seller is just passing along the same > misinformation, unwittingly. > > I'd pass on it, personally. Plus it's overseas, so it could be more > difficult to get a refund or recourse if there is an issue with the > specimen's authenticity. > > That's just my two cents - actual worth may vary. ;) > > Best regards and clear skies, > > MikeG > > > On 8/4/09, Mark Grossman wrote: >> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >> across >> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >> collector >> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >> specimen." >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Tue Aug 4 17:47:44 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:47:44 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay In-Reply-To: <32DC1595DFF441678947034FC19D46BE@QED> References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> <32DC1595DFF441678947034FC19D46BE@QED> Message-ID: <000001ca154d$585faa10$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Hi Mark, probably the slice was or is sealed with a layer of lacquer and these lines are simply rust which grew underneath. I observed the same lines developing once in a sealed Morasko slice. Best! Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Grossman Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. August 2009 23:19 An: Galactic Stone & Ironworks Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay Hi Mike, Thanks for the input. I thought troilite was supposed to be exbibited as round or oval-shaped inclusions in irons like Toluca. I have never seen "crossed lines" of troilite as shown in the photo. Yes, the dealer indicated that he obtained the description from the collector "Ceruda". Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Mark Grossman" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay > Hi Mark and List, > > That's a weird looking etch. I assume, if it's meteorite, that it's > oxidized. Are the little black squiggly-lines the result of > oxidation? If not, then I've never seen anything like it, in person > or in photos. > > I'm always a little suspect of meteorites and tektites offered by > sellers like this. Meteorites is not the seller's main area of > knowledge (obviously a terrestrial gem and mineral dealer) - so there > is always the increased possibility that the item was misrepresented > to the seller and the seller is just passing along the same > misinformation, unwittingly. > > I'd pass on it, personally. Plus it's overseas, so it could be more > difficult to get a refund or recourse if there is an issue with the > specimen's authenticity. > > That's just my two cents - actual worth may vary. ;) > > Best regards and clear skies, > > MikeG > > > On 8/4/09, Mark Grossman wrote: >> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >> across >> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >> collector >> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >> specimen." >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From markig at westnet.com Tue Aug 4 18:32:09 2009 From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:32:09 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across onebay References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> <008901ca154e$88bf47f0$9a3dd7d0$@kashuba@verizon.net> Message-ID: <57A5360FB50B4F19B53016987A3735E0@QED> Thanks to all that replied. Very interesting about the lacquer that John and Martin noted. There could be some misunderstanding between the collector who supplied the sample to the ebay dealer. The "crossed lines" description reportedly came from the collector, but may have been misinterpreted by the seller. Thanks again. Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kashuba" To: "'Mark Grossman'" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across onebay Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten pattern and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the specimen." http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mary.kashuba at verizon.net Tue Aug 4 17:57:17 2009 From: mary.kashuba at verizon.net (Kashuba) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:57:17 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay In-Reply-To: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> Message-ID: <008901ca154e$88bf47f0$9a3dd7d0$@kashuba@verizon.net> Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten pattern and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the specimen." http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 20:12:32 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Collector ethics... was What is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <375934.18956.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I'm with Ken on this matter. I, frankly, am dumbfounded to see this material held out as meteorites, as I believe a member of an collectors association should be held to a higher standard and should police themselves more strictly than they police others. It is a breach of good taste if not a full fledged breach of ethics to co-mingle these specimens that in the slightest way leaves the door open for an inference that these are meteorites! Showing a "pink" swap implying a positive nickel test is dishonest, and at a minimum shows ignorance about the occurrence of false positive results in the presence of iron-- DUH. We've been down this path before by other members setting up web pages lumping together meteor-wrongs with meteorites in some magical belief that doing so will make the wrongs transform into real meteorites. Clearly the ability to set up a nice web page doesn't translate to the ability to identify meteorites not a license to do so haphazardly. Not speaking for the other than myself, as membership qualification is the purview of any trade organization, but membership in such organization implies to me something above the novice level about meteorites. Seems some can buy the logo and leave ethics at the door since membership infers a status of expertise quick ride to the top. I think the logo displayee owes the entire community of meteorite collectors a duty to be totally honest as shabby or shady implications reflects on the individual and it harms any student of meteorites buy presenting blatantly bogus specimens. Self-naming of suspected meteorites when the naming of meteorites is a well established known process is indefensible and a disservice to the public. Makes about as much sense to me as it would be to hold out myself as a brain surgeon because I've see some brain photos, grew up watching M.A.S.H. and dissected some frog brains in biology. I further agree that we all should really do a reasonable amount of foundation study before shooting baloney theories about rocks and minerals in general and the source of magnetism in naturally magnetic hematite nodules. Elton > > camp acapulcoite > camp diogenite > camp howardite > camp pallasite > camp122006 > Limedale > Mammoth Springs From meteoritekid at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 21:04:41 2009 From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:04:41 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay In-Reply-To: <5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid> References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> <5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com> Hello Mark, All, Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time in unfavorable climates. The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill Mason might have a word on this. That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: > Mark, List, > > It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear > coated and is rusting. ?Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under > coatings. ?Some Toluca have prominent troilite. ?None is obvious in this > slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. ?Maybe someone read a > description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten pattern > and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. ?You might pick it up > cheap, refinish it and pray. > > Regards, > > - John > > John Kashuba > Ontario, California > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark > Grossman > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on > ebay > > Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across > > on ebay. ?According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector > > in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the > specimen." > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S > TRK:MEWAX:IT > > Thanks. > > Mark Grossman > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From markig at westnet.com Tue Aug 4 21:30:29 2009 From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:30:29 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED><5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid> <93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jason, Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. I checked "Rocks from Space", and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding from between the Widmanstatten plates. And it looks like some of those brown "crossed lines" on the ebay sample. So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on his hands that he is trying to unload? :) Thanks again. Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" To: "Kashuba" ; "Meteorite-list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay Hello Mark, All, Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time in unfavorable climates. The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill Mason might have a word on this. That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: > Mark, List, > > It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear > coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around > under > coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this > slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a > description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten > pattern > and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up > cheap, refinish it and pray. > > Regards, > > - John > > John Kashuba > Ontario, California > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark > Grossman > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on > ebay > > Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came > across > > on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a > collector > > in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the > specimen." > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S > TRK:MEWAX:IT > > Thanks. > > Mark Grossman > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritekid at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 21:35:34 2009 From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:35:34 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay In-Reply-To: <93aaac890908041835u2f30b260x192f66983ad49baa@mail.gmail.com> References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> <5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid> <93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com> <93aaac890908041835u2f30b260x192f66983ad49baa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93aaac890908041835vb941083t51aa29db21ba0fd3@mail.gmail.com> Hello Mark, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than they think they do about rocks from space. ?That said, it could well be an honest mistake. ?There's no telling. It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. Another one bites the dust... Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: > Hi Jason, > > Thanks for the info. ?Looks like you're right. > > I checked "Rocks from Space", and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca > specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding > from between the Widmanstatten plates. > > And it looks like some of those brown "crossed lines" on the ebay sample. > > So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on > his hands that he is trying to unload? ?:) > > Thanks again. > > Mark Grossman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" > To: "Kashuba" ; "Meteorite-list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson > ebay > > > Hello Mark, All, > Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a > corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of > terrestrial salts. ?While the term is fairly well-recognized, it > generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation > even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time > in unfavorable climates. > The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine > specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill > Mason might have a word on this. > That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. > Regards, > Jason > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: >> >> Mark, List, >> >> It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear >> coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around >> under >> coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this >> slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a >> description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten >> pattern >> and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up >> cheap, refinish it and pray. >> >> Regards, >> >> - John >> >> John Kashuba >> Ontario, California >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark >> Grossman >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on >> ebay >> >> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >> across >> >> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >> collector >> >> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >> specimen." >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S >> TRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From markig at westnet.com Tue Aug 4 21:51:27 2009 From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:51:27 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrossonebay References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED><5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid><93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835u2f30b260x192f66983ad49baa@mail.gmail.com> <93aaac890908041835vb941083t51aa29db21ba0fd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jason, No, I decided not to bid after all. When it was 99 cents, that was on thing. But if my memory serves me correctly, last time I checked it was about $22. But has anyone heard of a Spanish collector named "Ceruda"? Sounds like the beginning of some suspense movie! Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" To: "Meteorite-list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrossonebay Hello Mark, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than they think they do about rocks from space. That said, it could well be an honest mistake. There's no telling. It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. Another one bites the dust... Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: > Hi Jason, > > Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. > > I checked "Rocks from Space", and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca > specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding > from between the Widmanstatten plates. > > And it looks like some of those brown "crossed lines" on the ebay sample. > > So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on > his hands that he is trying to unload? :) > > Thanks again. > > Mark Grossman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" > To: "Kashuba" ; "Meteorite-list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came > acrosson > ebay > > > Hello Mark, All, > Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a > corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of > terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it > generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation > even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time > in unfavorable climates. > The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine > specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill > Mason might have a word on this. > That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. > Regards, > Jason > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: >> >> Mark, List, >> >> It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear >> coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around >> under >> coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this >> slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a >> description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten >> pattern >> and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up >> cheap, refinish it and pray. >> >> Regards, >> >> - John >> >> John Kashuba >> Ontario, California >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark >> Grossman >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on >> ebay >> >> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >> across >> >> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >> collector >> >> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >> specimen." >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S >> TRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Tue Aug 4 22:26:53 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 04:26:53 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I cameacrossonebay In-Reply-To: References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED><5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid><93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835u2f30b260x192f66983ad49baa@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835vb941083t51aa29db21ba0fd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004101ca1574$332ff110$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Maybe Olalla Cernuda ? http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/06/27/ciencia/1182931659.html http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2005/11/29/ciencia/1133258125.html -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Grossman Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 03:51 An: Jason Utas; Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I cameacrossonebay Hi Jason, No, I decided not to bid after all. When it was 99 cents, that was on thing. But if my memory serves me correctly, last time I checked it was about $22. But has anyone heard of a Spanish collector named "Ceruda"? Sounds like the beginning of some suspense movie! Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" To: "Meteorite-list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrossonebay Hello Mark, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than they think they do about rocks from space. That said, it could well be an honest mistake. There's no telling. It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. Another one bites the dust... Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: > Hi Jason, > > Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. > > I checked "Rocks from Space", and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca > specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding > from between the Widmanstatten plates. > > And it looks like some of those brown "crossed lines" on the ebay sample. > > So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on > his hands that he is trying to unload? :) > > Thanks again. > > Mark Grossman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" > To: "Kashuba" ; "Meteorite-list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came > acrosson > ebay > > > Hello Mark, All, > Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a > corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of > terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it > generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation > even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time > in unfavorable climates. > The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine > specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill > Mason might have a word on this. > That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. > Regards, > Jason > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: >> >> Mark, List, >> >> It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear >> coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around >> under >> coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this >> slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a >> description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten >> pattern >> and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up >> cheap, refinish it and pray. >> >> Regards, >> >> - John >> >> John Kashuba >> Ontario, California >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark >> Grossman >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on >> ebay >> >> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >> across >> >> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >> collector >> >> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >> specimen." >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S >> TRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From fujmon at mac.com Tue Aug 4 22:41:44 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:41:44 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Update: Stolen meteorite shipment Message-ID: <1AB30400-A8EB-48B9-87AA-73E80968C240@mac.com> Aloha, Since my original post on this subject June 1, a lot has transpired and I thought it in the best interest of the parties involved, as well as the members of this list to know (as the late Paul Harvey would say) "The rest of the story". The meteorites I had purchased were won on ebay in a bulk auction that took about 3 hours to run. I paid for the items, and they were shipped out of South America soon after. When the package arrived, I eagerly went to the post office to claim my treasure. After the discovery of the theft of my meteorites in shipment (I received an empty box from the post office), I staggered home in disbelief. I emailed the seller notifying him of the disaster, but did not hear from him in a couple of days. At this point I was not a happy camper and filed a grievance with IMCA, a claim with eBay and Paypal, and wrote my email to the list. The seller responded to my emails, was empathetic and offered to assist on his end by filing a claim at his post office, and suggested I do the same at my post office. I returned the next day to file a claim at the USPS. Meanwhile Maria Haas, representing IMCA, responded almost immediately by contacting both the seller and me separately first to gather information from each other's respective viewpoint. She extracted the facts and shared with me the IMCA code of ethics and the issues of insurance, customs, taxes and other things that which I was not aware (but were reiterated by list members in response to my email). She then took steps to mediate the situation in as tactful a manner possible. At some point, the seller offered to share the loss with me, and agreed to refund me half of my payment if I would drop my claim with Paypal (which was withholding my payment to him until resolution). I dropped the claim, the seller reimbursed half my loss and the rest, as they say, is history...but wait, there's more. Since then, I have become a member of the IMCA. Not to become a big dealer, but to establish and uphold a modicum of the integrity and honor that was demonstrated to me by the characters in this story, themselves upstanding members of the IMCA. I have learned a lot from them and other IMCA members and dealers, and am dedicated to extending and perpetuating those values to the current and next generation of meteorite enthusiast. BTW, the seller (as many of you can guess) is Eduardo Jawerbaum, and I am a happy winner and recipient of some of the meteorites he had on auction a couple of weeks ago! Yes, I bought some more meteorites from the same person in the same country and postal system from which my previous shipment was stolen. Slow learner? Repeat offender? Obsessed collector? Maybe a little of all, but I must tell you that I am happy to continue to be a customer of Eduardo, and the proud owner of the freshest Franconia you've ever seen. Mahalo Eduardo ... Peace and poi. Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From markig at westnet.com Tue Aug 4 22:51:39 2009 From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:51:39 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that Icameacrossonebay References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED><5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid><93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835u2f30b260x192f66983ad49baa@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835vb941083t51aa29db21ba0fd3@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca1574$332ff110$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <63FC2A44AB5C4A3A90A203332B6A4ABA@QED> Could be. The ebay dealer described "Ceruda" as "one of the biggest minerals and meteorites collectors of Spain with a high reputation." The ebay dealer obtained his description of the sample from him and mentioned that the description was on the meteorite label. Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that Icameacrossonebay Maybe Olalla Cernuda ? http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/06/27/ciencia/1182931659.html http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2005/11/29/ciencia/1133258125.html -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Grossman Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 03:51 An: Jason Utas; Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I cameacrossonebay Hi Jason, No, I decided not to bid after all. When it was 99 cents, that was on thing. But if my memory serves me correctly, last time I checked it was about $22. But has anyone heard of a Spanish collector named "Ceruda"? Sounds like the beginning of some suspense movie! Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" To: "Meteorite-list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrossonebay Hello Mark, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than they think they do about rocks from space. That said, it could well be an honest mistake. There's no telling. It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. Another one bites the dust... Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: > Hi Jason, > > Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. > > I checked "Rocks from Space", and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca > specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding > from between the Widmanstatten plates. > > And it looks like some of those brown "crossed lines" on the ebay sample. > > So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on > his hands that he is trying to unload? :) > > Thanks again. > > Mark Grossman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" > To: "Kashuba" ; "Meteorite-list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came > acrosson > ebay > > > Hello Mark, All, > Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a > corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of > terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it > generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation > even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time > in unfavorable climates. > The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine > specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill > Mason might have a word on this. > That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. > Regards, > Jason > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: >> >> Mark, List, >> >> It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear >> coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around >> under >> coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this >> slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a >> description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten >> pattern >> and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up >> cheap, refinish it and pray. >> >> Regards, >> >> - John >> >> John Kashuba >> Ontario, California >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark >> Grossman >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on >> ebay >> >> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >> across >> >> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >> collector >> >> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >> specimen." >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S >> TRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From bristolia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 23:06:46 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Slope Streaks on Mars - Triggered by Small Meteorite Impacts ? Message-ID: <427430.56282.qm@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Slope Streaks on Mars - Featured images for August 2009 http://www.psi.edu/pgwg/images/aug09image.html "Several of the streaks are triggered by impact craters that have dark ejecta." "Other interesting observations include triggering of slope streaks by an impact crater, blast from an impact explosion, or boulders rolling or bouncing downslope, and formation of long linear ridges within the streak that are parallel to its margins." Yours, Paul H. From cdtucson at cox.net Tue Aug 4 15:12:33 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:12:33 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay Message-ID: <20090804151233.KFOZF.6282.imail@fed1rmwml45> Please check out my auctions ending soon. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteoritemax_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax From mike.hankey at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 00:23:58 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 00:23:58 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] interesting PA Fireball witness report Message-ID: I was trolling the internets for info and found this report: "I saw this shooting star up in Pa. I was driving north on route 476 and saw the night sky turn bluish green. The meteor came from behind me and passed on my left side. I saw it breakup into 6 smaller pieces and watched them burn out. One of the coolest things I?ve ever seen. The windows were up on my semi so I didn?t hear anything." I wrote the paper and asked them to fwd the guy my info. 476 is about an hour away from our current impact zone. His account is consistent with our data depending on where he was on 476. The highway looks to start north of Philadelphia. How close do you think you would have to be to see this sort of thing? (i'm referring to the break up and burn out) From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Wed Aug 5 01:02:09 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:02:09 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 5, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_5_2009.html __________________________ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From jgregoryw at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 05:07:05 2009 From: jgregoryw at gmail.com (J. Gregory Wilson) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:07:05 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rob Elliott meteorite collection auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> Just a heads-up: long-lost listee and warm-beer-drinker Rob Elliott wanted list members to know that his extensive collection will be on the auction block in about two weeks. Details below. Gregory ____________________________________________________________________________ ______ The Robert Elliott Meteorite Collection will be auctioned on 18th August and hosted by Scotland's oldest firm of auctioneers, Lyon & Turnbull in Edinburgh. Time allows for 170 Lots, containing some familiar and some not-so-familiar meteorite specimens, all acquired by myself during my travels to museums around the world, and from many researchers & scientists directly. My meteorite collecting passion was mostly for the so-called "historical" meteorites, so feel free to take a look through the sales catalogue, either hard copy or online, and see what takes your fancy. Or just enjoy the pictures! I know that several of you are jumping on a plane and coming to Edinburgh to bid in the saleroom, but for those that cannot attend the auction in person, it's still possible to bid live and in real-time (see links below). Bids may also be placed in advance on the website, or by telephone and in writing. If you're planning to bid over the internet, be sure to register first. Here are the direct links to the sales catalogue (Sale no: 262), the live bidding site, and for those that need it, packing and shipping assistance. Auction Hosts - Lyon & Turnbull, Edinburgh. Online Catalogue: www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=1&ps=25&st=D&sale_no=262 Email for catalogue requests and auction information: info at lyonandturnbull.com Live, Real-time bidding hosts - Artfact www.artfact.com/catalog/searchLots.cfm?scp=c&catalogRef=HSM8GI7QBD America's oldest auction house, Freeman's of Philadelphia will also feature the auction. Visit www.freemansauction.com and look under "Auctions". Packing and shipping assistance is available from Mailboxes Etc. Website: www.mbe.co.uk Email: info at mbesouthbridge.co.uk If you'd prefer a glossy, printed copy of the sales catalogue, these are available by request from Lyon & Turnbull. Email address: info at lyonandturnbull.com For more information and phone numbers, please visit their website at: www.lyonandturnbull.com Best wishes, Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Telephone: 01592-751563 Mobile: 07880-888660 International Tel: +44-1592-751563 Email: fernlea4 at aol.com PC # 1 From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 05:11:35 2009 From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:11:35 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Scottish meteorite collectors - pleasecontact me offlist Message-ID: Mike Apart from myself and Rob McCafferty, who is also on the list, there are a few others. If you want I will contact you off-list with these names. Before I do, I will contact them and see if they are willing to have their names forwarded. Best Wishes from sunny Scotland (yes we do get Sun!) Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.davidson at nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone & Ironworks Sent: 25 July 2009 04:52 To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Scottish meteorite collectors - pleasecontact me offlist Hi List, I am looking for List members who : 1) are living in Scotland 2) have family or friends living in Scotland 3) have family ties or ancestry in Scotland 4) have some affinity for Scotland If this describes you and you collect meteorites, please contact me offlist. This is in reference to an upcoming donation I am arranging. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Free Fringe music. Celebrate Homecoming at the National Museum of Scotland 8-30 August. www.nms.ac.uk/music National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. From jgregoryw at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 05:51:04 2009 From: jgregoryw at gmail.com (J. Gregory Wilson) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:51:04 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rob Elliott meteorite collection auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a901ca15b2$40b29d90$c217d8b0$@com> Just a heads-up: long-lost listee and warm-beer-drinker Rob Elliott wanted list members to know that his extensive collection will be on the auction block in about two weeks. Details below. Gregory ____________________________________________________________________________ ______ The Robert Elliott Meteorite Collection will be auctioned on 18th August and hosted by Scotland's oldest firm of auctioneers, Lyon & Turnbull in Edinburgh. Time allows for 170 Lots, containing some familiar and some not-so-familiar meteorite specimens, all acquired by myself during my travels to museums around the world, and from many researchers & scientists directly. My meteorite collecting passion was mostly for the so-called "historical" meteorites, so feel free to take a look through the sales catalogue, either hard copy or online, and see what takes your fancy. Or just enjoy the pictures! I know that several of you are jumping on a plane and coming to Edinburgh to bid in the saleroom, but for those that cannot attend the auction in person, it's still possible to bid live and in real-time (see links below). Bids may also be placed in advance on the website, or by telephone and in writing. If you're planning to bid over the internet, be sure to register first. Here are the direct links to the sales catalogue (Sale no: 262), the live bidding site, and for those that need it, packing and shipping assistance. Auction Hosts - Lyon & Turnbull, Edinburgh. Online Catalogue: www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=1&ps=25&st=D&sale_no=262 Email for catalogue requests and auction information: info at lyonandturnbull.com Live, Real-time bidding hosts - Artfact www.artfact.com/catalog/searchLots.cfm?scp=c&catalogRef=HSM8GI7QBD America's oldest auction house, Freeman's of Philadelphia will also feature the auction. Visit www.freemansauction.com and look under "Auctions". Packing and shipping assistance is available from Mailboxes Etc. Website: www.mbe.co.uk Email: info at mbesouthbridge.co.uk If you'd prefer a glossy, printed copy of the sales catalogue, these are available by request from Lyon & Turnbull. Email address: info at lyonandturnbull.com For more information and phone numbers, please visit their website at: www.lyonandturnbull.com Best wishes, Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Telephone: 01592-751563 Mobile: 07880-888660 International Tel: +44-1592-751563 Email: fernlea4 at aol.com PC # 1 From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 07:38:41 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 04:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to all involved Message-ID: <780045.57426.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Good morning list. Its no jive,today I hit 55. Well anyway I want to thank all who chimed in for my last freebie session. All 20 pieces are gone. I also want to thank brett whitenack for sending me valuable nininger info,plus a free copy of the huss meteorite handbook of meteorites. It is very nice reading. I also want to thank greg catterton for sending me a freebie?as well. I look forward to it. Now for myself,I?am getting something I have never had,a TATTOO.Sort of a wild thing,thing. Stay tuned and have a great day. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From bristolia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 08:16:42 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 05:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Paper About proposed Impact Basin in Wilkes Land, Antarctica Message-ID: <370843.33505.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear friends, I came across a new paper about the proposed 300 km in diameter impact crater in Wilkes Land, Antarctica. It is: von Frese, R. R. B., L. V. Potts, S. B. Wells, T. E. Leftwich, H. R. Kim, J. W. Kim, A. V. Golynsky, O. Hernandez, and L. R. Gaya-Piqu? (2009), GRACE gravity evidence for an impact basin in Wilkes Land, Antarctica, Geochemistry Geophysics Geosystems, 10, Q02014, doi:10.1029/2008GC002149. http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2008GC002149.shtml Yours, Paul H. From bristolia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 08:34:19 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 05:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Free PDF File of Paper About Proposed Wilkes Land, Antarctica, Impact Crater Message-ID: <652747.27821.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear friends, In a previous message I wrote: "I came across a new paper about the proposed 300 km in diameter impact crater in Wilkes Land, Antarctica. It is: von Frese, R. R. B., L. V. Potts, S. B. Wells, T. E. Leftwich, H. R. Kim, J. W. Kim, A. V. Golynsky, O. Hernandez, and L. R. Gaya-Piqu? (2009), GRACE gravity evidence for an impact basin in Wilkes Land, Antarctica, Geochemistry Geophysics Geosystems, 10, Q02014, doi:10.1029/2008GC002149. http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2008GC002149.shtml " While doing additional googling, I came across an URL where the PDF file for this paper can be found. The PDF file for this paper can be downloaded for free from: http://www.geology.osu.edu/~vonfrese/general/WLIB_gcubed09.pdf Yours, Paul H. Yours, Paul H. From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Wed Aug 5 08:37:13 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:37:13 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] OT - For Mal Bishop In-Reply-To: <4A797538.3060707@lowcountry.com> References: <1249336346.6713@paypal.com> <4A797538.3060707@lowcountry.com> Message-ID: <001e01ca15c9$774fd1d0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Sorry.... Mal, I'm receiving all your emails. But my ones, no matter from which of my accounts I send, aren't coming through. Is a problem with your lowcountry server: "connection to mail exchanger failed" No worries, Everything perfect. I hope to send the rest on Friday. Best! Martin From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 09:18:47 2009 From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Iron oxide/ hematite Message-ID: <767404.58867.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> here is a link to Iron oxide/ hematite and the magnetic properties of Iron and it's varieties. cheers Steve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron(III)_oxide From wahlperry at aol.com Wed Aug 5 10:54:41 2009 From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:54:41 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to all involved In-Reply-To: <780045.57426.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <780045.57426.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBE3F3CBD9273A-10DC-15F@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com> Hi Steve, Happy Birthday ! Sonny -----Original Message----- From: steve arnold To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 4:38 am Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to all involved Good morning list. Its no jive,today I hit 55. Well anyway I want to thank all who chimed in for my last freebie session. All 20 pieces are gone. I also want to thank brett whitenack for sending me valuable nininger info,plus a free copy of the huss meteorite handbook of meteorites. It is very nice reading. I also want to thank greg catterton for sending me a freebie?as well. I look forward to it. Now for myself,I?am getting something I have never had,a TATTOO.Sort of a wild thing,thing. Stay tuned and have a great day. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From jkg2 at cox.net Wed Aug 5 11:19:58 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:19:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Update: Stolen meteorite shipment In-Reply-To: <1AB30400-A8EB-48B9-87AA-73E80968C240@mac.com> References: <1AB30400-A8EB-48B9-87AA-73E80968C240@mac.com> Message-ID: <20090805152009.OLFD14387.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> I'm glad to see you had an acceptable resolution to your problem. Many people are not as fortunate as you and end up taking the entire loss themselves. Maria Haas is one of those people who work "behind the scene" at solving issues very effectively. The next time someone complains about the IMCA, remind them of this incident. Best, John Gwilliam At 07:41 PM 8/4/2009, Gary Fujihara wrote: >Aloha, > >Since my original post on this subject June 1, a lot has transpired >and I thought it in the best interest of the parties involved, as well >as the members of this list to know (as the late Paul Harvey would >say) "The rest of the story". > >The meteorites I had purchased were won on ebay in a bulk auction that >took about 3 hours to run. I paid for the items, and they were >shipped out of South America soon after. When the package arrived, I >eagerly went to the post office to claim my treasure. After the >discovery of the theft of my meteorites in shipment (I received an >empty box from the post office), I staggered home in disbelief. I >emailed the seller notifying him of the disaster, but did not hear >from him in a couple of days. At this point I was not a happy camper >and filed a grievance with IMCA, a claim with eBay and Paypal, and >wrote my email to the list. > >The seller responded to my emails, was empathetic and offered to >assist on his end by filing a claim at his post office, and suggested >I do the same at my post office. I returned the next day to file a >claim at the USPS. Meanwhile Maria Haas, representing IMCA, responded >almost immediately by contacting both the seller and me separately >first to gather information from each other's respective viewpoint. >She extracted the facts and shared with me the IMCA code of ethics and >the issues of insurance, customs, taxes and other things that which I >was not aware (but were reiterated by list members in response to my >email). She then took steps to mediate the situation in as tactful a >manner possible. > >At some point, the seller offered to share the loss with me, and >agreed to refund me half of my payment if I would drop my claim with >Paypal (which was withholding my payment to him until resolution). I >dropped the claim, the seller reimbursed half my loss and the rest, as >they say, is history...but wait, there's more. > >Since then, I have become a member of the IMCA. Not to become a big >dealer, but to establish and uphold a modicum of the integrity and >honor that was demonstrated to me by the characters in this story, >themselves upstanding members of the IMCA. I have learned a lot from >them and other IMCA members and dealers, and am dedicated to extending >and perpetuating those values to the current and next generation of >meteorite enthusiast. > >BTW, the seller (as many of you can guess) is Eduardo Jawerbaum, and I >am a happy winner and recipient of some of the meteorites he had on >auction a couple of weeks ago! Yes, I bought some more meteorites >from the same person in the same country and postal system from which >my previous shipment was stolen. Slow learner? Repeat offender? >Obsessed collector? Maybe a little of all, but I must tell you that I >am happy to continue to be a customer of Eduardo, and the proud owner >of the freshest Franconia you've ever seen. Mahalo Eduardo ... Peace >and poi. > >Gary Fujihara >AstroDay Institute >105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >http://astroday.net > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 11:40:21 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:40:21 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rob Elliott meteorite collection auction In-Reply-To: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> References: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> Message-ID: Why do these auctions always come up when I am stretched too thin already!??!? LOL On 8/5/09, J. Gregory Wilson wrote: > > Just a heads-up: long-lost listee and warm-beer-drinker Rob Elliott wanted > list members to know that his extensive collection will be on the auction > block in about two weeks. Details below. > > Gregory > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ______ > > The Robert Elliott Meteorite Collection will be auctioned on 18th August and > hosted by Scotland's oldest firm of auctioneers, Lyon & Turnbull in > Edinburgh. Time allows for 170 Lots, containing some familiar and some > not-so-familiar meteorite specimens, all acquired by myself during my > travels to museums around the world, and from many researchers & scientists > directly. > > My meteorite collecting passion was mostly for the so-called "historical" > meteorites, so feel free to take a look through the sales catalogue, either > hard copy or online, and see what takes your fancy. Or just enjoy the > pictures! > > I know that several of you are jumping on a plane and coming to Edinburgh to > bid in the saleroom, but for those that cannot attend the auction in person, > it's still possible to bid live and in real-time (see links below). > Bids may also be placed in advance on the website, or by telephone and in > writing. > If you're planning to bid over the internet, be sure to register first. > > Here are the direct links to the sales catalogue (Sale no: 262), the live > bidding site, and for those that need it, packing and shipping assistance. > > > Auction Hosts - Lyon & Turnbull, Edinburgh. > Online Catalogue: > www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=1&ps=25&st=D&sale_no=262 > Email for catalogue requests and auction information: > info at lyonandturnbull.com > > > Live, Real-time bidding hosts - Artfact > www.artfact.com/catalog/searchLots.cfm?scp=c&catalogRef=HSM8GI7QBD > > > America's oldest auction house, Freeman's of Philadelphia will also feature > the auction. > Visit www.freemansauction.com and look under "Auctions". > > > Packing and shipping assistance is available from Mailboxes Etc. > Website: www.mbe.co.uk > Email: info at mbesouthbridge.co.uk > > > If you'd prefer a glossy, printed copy of the sales catalogue, these are > available by request from Lyon & Turnbull. > Email address: info at lyonandturnbull.com > For more information and phone numbers, please visit their website at: > www.lyonandturnbull.com > > > Best wishes, > Rob Elliott > www.meteorites.uk.com > Fernlea Meteorites, > The Wynd, > Off Dickson Lane, > Milton of Balgonie, > Fife. KY7 6PY > United Kingdom > Telephone: 01592-751563 > Mobile: 07880-888660 > International Tel: +44-1592-751563 > Email: fernlea4 at aol.com > PC # 1 > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From albireo3000 at yahoo.es Wed Aug 5 13:34:11 2009 From: albireo3000 at yahoo.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Francisco_Oca=F1a?=) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:34:11 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I cameacrossonebay In-Reply-To: <004101ca1574$332ff110$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED><5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid><93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835u2f30b260x192f66983ad49baa@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835vb941083t51aa29db21ba0fd3@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca1574$332ff110$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <4A79C293.9040706@yahoo.es> Don?t think so! hehe. "Cer*n*uda" is a common surname: http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial%3ABuscar&search=cernuda&fulltext=Buscar And no idea about who "Ceruda" is. Best, Paco Oca?a Martin Altmann escribi?: > Maybe Olalla Cernuda ? > > http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/06/27/ciencia/1182931659.html > > http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2005/11/29/ciencia/1133258125.html > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mark > Grossman > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 03:51 > An: Jason Utas; Meteorite-list > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I > cameacrossonebay > > Hi Jason, > > No, I decided not to bid after all. When it was 99 cents, that was on > thing. But if my memory serves me correctly, last time I checked it was > about $22. > > But has anyone heard of a Spanish collector named "Ceruda"? Sounds like the > > beginning of some suspense movie! > > Mark Grossman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Utas" > To: "Meteorite-list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came > acrossonebay > > > Hello Mark, > I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've > sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a > vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than > they think they do about rocks from space. That said, it could well > be an honest mistake. There's no telling. > It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction > closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. > Another one bites the dust... > Regards, > Jason > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: > >> Hi Jason, >> >> Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. >> >> I checked "Rocks from Space", and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca >> specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding >> from between the Widmanstatten plates. >> >> And it looks like some of those brown "crossed lines" on the ebay sample. >> >> So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on >> his hands that he is trying to unload? :) >> >> Thanks again. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" >> To: "Kashuba" ; "Meteorite-list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came >> acrosson >> ebay >> >> >> Hello Mark, All, >> Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a >> corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of >> terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it >> generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation >> even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time >> in unfavorable climates. >> The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine >> specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill >> Mason might have a word on this. >> That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. >> Regards, >> Jason >> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: >> >>> Mark, List, >>> >>> It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear >>> coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around >>> under >>> coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this >>> slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a >>> description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten >>> pattern >>> and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up >>> cheap, refinish it and pray. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> - John >>> >>> John Kashuba >>> Ontario, California >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark >>> Grossman >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on >>> ebay >>> >>> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >>> across >>> >>> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >>> collector >>> >>> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >>> specimen." >>> >>> >>> >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S > >>> TRK:MEWAX:IT >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Mark Grossman >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> From bristolia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 14:59:15 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Bajada del Diablo impact crater-strewn field: Largest in South America Message-ID: <114765.37886.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Acevedo, R. D., J. F. Ponce, M. Rocca, J. Rabassa,and H. Corbella, 2009, Bajada del Diablo impact crater-strewn field: The largest crater field in the Southern Hemisphere. Geomorphology. vol. 110, no. 3-4, pp. 58-67. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.geomorph.2009.03.026 http://www.science-direct.com/science/journal/0169555X Filu-C? plateau: the major impact crater field of Bajada del Diablo strewnfield, Argentine Patagonia http://www.conicet.gov.ar/scp/vista_resumen.php?produccion=273465&id=1907&keywords= http://www.conicet.gov.ar/scp/vista_resumen.php?produccion=273465&id=1907&keywords=&printable=1 Yours, Paul From geeg48 at msn.com Wed Aug 5 16:15:29 2009 From: geeg48 at msn.com (GREG LINDH) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:15:29 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to all involved In-Reply-To: <780045.57426.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <780045.57426.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, Happy 55th to you! Here's hoping that it will be an enjoyable day for you, Steve. Best wishes, Greg Lindh ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 04:38:41 -0700 > From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to all involved > > Good morning list. Its no jive,today I hit 55. Well anyway I want to thank all who chimed in for my last freebie session. All 20 pieces are gone. I also want to thank brett whitenack for sending me valuable nininger info,plus a free copy of the huss meteorite handbook of meteorites. It is very nice reading. I also want to thank greg catterton for sending me a freebie as well. I look forward to it. Now for myself,I am getting something I have never had,a TATTOO.Sort of a wild thing,thing. Stay tuned and have a great day. > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mlblood at cox.net Wed Aug 5 16:36:58 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:36:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page In-Reply-To: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> Message-ID: Hi all, I have been alerted by at least 3 people that a Spam mailing, specifically citing my IN DEPTH FRIENDS PAGE (kindly hosted by that king of Web pages, Paul Harris & his partner in crime, The ingenious Jim Tobin) First: this particular spam actually cited my Page as their source - I assume to "gain" a sense of "honesty" or "affiliation." I can think of no other reason (unless I get really paranoid and start suspecting someone Is ticked at me and wants to taint my endeavors - seams Highly unlikely) Second: one must realize spammers have a wide Arsenal of methods of getting email addresses. Spam Is the dog poop on the lawn - yet we all continue to Have lawns (except that clever devil, Geoff Notkin, Who has sand and cactus). Those that want to remove their email address >From their IN DEPTH FRIENDS PAGE, go for it - You can edit it out just as you edited in any and all Information there. HOWEVER, that will be a drop In the bucket, as spamming bastards, as I said, will Get your email address so many ways it would blow Your mind - it starts when you GET an email address, Expands when you email ANYONE, visit ANY net Site, order anything on the net, receive email, etc. Every conceivable method one could think of (and MANY one would not think of) is used. I would be amazed if there is not an ebook available For spammers! Anyway, the point is, if you want to edit out your email Address you can do so just as you put it in but the effect On the amount of spam you receive will likely be unnoticeable. Sorry this is how it is. Best wishes, Michael From meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 16:56:10 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:56:10 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page In-Reply-To: References: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> Message-ID: Hi Michael, I received a spam response from the friends page as well. But, I get so much spam anyway (from the web in general, not your site), that it didn't bug me. I just deleted it. It was the typical Nigerian type scam involving millions of dollars, bank transfers, etc. Who falls for that stuff anyway? Best regards, MikeG On 8/5/09, Michael Blood wrote: > Hi all, > I have been alerted by at least 3 people that a > Spam mailing, specifically citing my IN DEPTH > FRIENDS PAGE (kindly hosted by that king of > Web pages, Paul Harris & his partner in crime, > The ingenious Jim Tobin) > First: this particular spam actually cited my > Page as their source - I assume to "gain" a sense of > "honesty" or "affiliation." I can think of no other reason > (unless I get really paranoid and start suspecting someone > Is ticked at me and wants to taint my endeavors - seams > Highly unlikely) > Second: one must realize spammers have a wide > Arsenal of methods of getting email addresses. Spam > Is the dog poop on the lawn - yet we all continue to > Have lawns (except that clever devil, Geoff Notkin, > Who has sand and cactus). > Those that want to remove their email address > >From their IN DEPTH FRIENDS PAGE, go for it - > You can edit it out just as you edited in any and all > Information there. HOWEVER, that will be a drop > In the bucket, as spamming bastards, as I said, will > Get your email address so many ways it would blow > Your mind - it starts when you GET an email address, > Expands when you email ANYONE, visit ANY net > Site, order anything on the net, receive email, etc. > Every conceivable method one could think of > (and MANY one would not think of) is used. > I would be amazed if there is not an ebook available > For spammers! > Anyway, the point is, if you want to edit out your email > Address you can do so just as you put it in but the effect > On the amount of spam you receive will likely be unnoticeable. > Sorry this is how it is. > Best wishes, Michael > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... 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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 5 16:49:39 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity Rover Assembled as Cost Impacts Debated (MSL) Message-ID: <200908052049.n75KndCm005146@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0908/05msl/ Curiosity rover assembled as cost impacts debated BY CRAIG COVAULT SPACEFLIGHT NOW August 5, 2009 Assembly and test of the Mars Science Laboratory rover, and its Sky Crane descent stage, are accelerating at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. toward launch on an Atlas 5 from Cape Canaveral in October or November 2011. Cutting edge technology for MSL is springing to life as the flight rover and descent stage mature in JPL clean rooms. The MSL rover, the size of an Earthly wide-track all terrain vehicle, will be lowered on a bridal from the highly maneuverable Sky Crane Mars Descent Stage. The descent stage will be hovered at 50 ft. altitude on its 8 rocket engines until the rover wheels are on the ground and the umbilical severed. (See Descent System image below). The Sky Crane contraption looks like its out of a Star Trek movie. Once free of the rover it will zoom off at low level and full throttle until it runs out of fuel and crashes far from planned roving targets. Developing such cutting edge hardware has brought technology delays and a much steeper price than envisioned. The MSL cost growth is also slowing the development of all other NASA planetary programs and will delay by 2-4 years all other Mars programs coming after MSL, including a Mars sample return now envisioned for the 2020s. The cost and hardware problems also forced an MSL launch slip from 2009 to 2011. And it also caused a management shakeup in the organization. Richard Cook who initially led the program has been moved down to deputy manager, while Pete Theisinger has been convinced to return to lead the MSL program He earlier led the Spirit and Opportunity programs. At this point two years before launch, the MSL program is also preparing two major cost updates for top NASA management and Congress about MSL cost overruns and development difficulties. This is occurring at the same time NASA and the European Space Agency have joined forces for Mars planning focused on Europe's plan to launch its own ExoMars rover (pictured below). ExoMars was originally scheduled to lift off for Mars on an Ariane 5 in 2011, but its launch has now been postponed a total of 7 years to 2018. The first MSL review is due this summer and called a "breach report" that will cite to Congress how the program has "breached" its earlier funding plan. MSL is burdened with a $1.68 billion (68%) development overrun and prospects for the need of an additional $115 million to finish the program. An even more critical review will be the flight's "readiness to proceed" review set for November where JPL and the space agency will update progress toward solving major actuator, avionics and power system problems being tackled this summer. The power system situation is relatively new. To solve the problem with the actuators, the program went to a different lubricant. But the new lubricant requires more heating during cold Martian nights, a situation that uses up the capability of the RTG with decaying Plutonium 238. The RTG will be mounted on the back of the rover between the large fin like structures visible in this image of the flight rover. The rover is equipped with its flight-sized wheels enabling the large scale of the vehicle to be seen. The rover's Sample Analysis (SAM) handling equipment being developed at the Goddard Space Flight Center has also fallen behind. But testing indicates "almost double energy requirements" will be needed to conduct SAM sample analysis scenarios. According to a mid July NASA Advisory Council Report the "Rover Power System design does not meet present mission requirements, requiring the rover to need additional battery capacity and possibly addition of a solar array in addition to its nuclear power system. The electrical issue could be a significant new cost driver as the solar array/nuclear system tradeoff was one of the most important design tradeoffs when the program got started. Now the assessment has changed to raise the possibility that MSL may need both a solar array and nuclear generator. The maturity of the rover and Sky Crane design at JPL is illustrated by examining the engineering detail of the Sky Crane, as the 4,565 lb. carrier is viewed from above with the rover tucked into its "bomb bay" below. All of the red boxed areas are delicate red rocket nozzles mounted on four arms to provide descent thrust after separation of a 50 ft. parachute and aeroshell. With twin rocked engines firing on all four corners, the vehicle can maneuver to a precise location throttle down into a hover at 50 ft. (15 meter) altitude then lower the rover to the ground. To lower the rover, an umbilical line will be unraveled from the gold cone shaped device mounted in the center of the Sky Crane's belly. The component (shown below) is essential for mission success. JPL has also begun separation tests of the rover from the Sky Crane. Such tests are being done manually in a JPL clean room where the rover, still minus its science instruments is mated to the Sky Crane descent stage. The locks holding the lander onto the Sky Crane are released freeing the rover for separation. The release is simulated on the ground by having technicians pull the Sky Crane upward manually with ropes, rather than have the rover fall from the flyer in the clean room. More advanced outdoor test rigs will perform higher fidelity tests. The missions cruise stage, aeroshell, heat shield and parachute are other critical elements of the mission being integrated at JPL. The cruise stage (shown below) functions like the same systems used on the 1997 Pathfinder mission and the ones attached to Spirit and Opportunity. The large circular structure (above) sits atop the aero shell and has rocket engines and propellant to carry out course corrections enroute to Mars. It is separated just before atmospheric entry. When the cruise stage is mounted atop the aeroshell, it forms the shelter that carries the rover and Sky Crane on the 200 million mi. flight to Mars and the dive through the Martian atmosphere. The aeroshell is much larger for MSL than it was for Spirit and Opportunity and Pathfinder. The most critical component of the aeroshell is the 15 ft. diameter Lockheed heat shield that faces into the aerodynamic flow during atmospheric entry . (See picture below) The Mars Science Laboratory heat shield has a curved lenticular shape to allow the guidance system to achieve lift to maneuver in cross range by rotating the shell during entry. This closed loop guidance capability will give MSL a much more accurate landing ability. Once the fiery dive through the atmosphere is completed, MSl will deploy its 51 ft. dia. parachute developed by Pioneer Aerospace in South Windsor , Conn. For MSL the chute is 10 ft. wider than those use on the Spirit and Opportunity missions. The 3,000 sq. ft. chute with a lower open ring section at bottom is designed to fly at Mach 2.2 in the Martian atmosphere. It is shown during a recent wind tunnel test at the NASA Ames Research Center, Mountain w, Calif. Note technician for scale in the image (above). From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 5 18:26:06 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - August 5, 2009 Message-ID: <200908052226.n75MQ6B2011112@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES August 5, 2009 o Light-Toned Rock and Scarps http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009523_2165 o Stratigraphy Exposed in Crater Wall http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009470_1965 o Multiple Slip Face Dunes http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009394_2565 o Blocky Floor Deposit in Melas Chasma http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009381_1720 o Small Cavi and Contact Relationships http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009357_2655 o Small Impact Crater in Cerberus Palus http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_013368_1885 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 5 18:30:01 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Crater Stats Indicate Hidden Population of Asteroids Message-ID: <200908052230.n75MU13W012014@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/23878/ Lunar Crater Stats Indicate Hidden Population of Asteroids Technology Review August 3, 2009 The asymmetric distribution of craters on the Moon may have been caused by an undiscovered population of near Earth asteroids Many moons are locked in synchronous rotation with their mother planets. Examples include the Galilean moons of Jupiter, Neptune's moon Triton and our own Moon. In the 80s and 90s astronomers noticed that the distribution of craters on these objects was asymmetric: they were more heavily cratered on their leading hemispheres which makes sense since it seems obvious that these areas should be struck more often. It wasn't until 2003, however, that the same asymmetric crater distribution was measured on our Moon. Now Takashi Ito at the National Astronomical Observatory in Japan and Renu Malhotra at the University of Arizona have asked an interesting question. of the data. Can the asymmetric distribution of craters on the Moon be explained by the known distribution of near Earth asteroids that are thought to have caused them? Their answer is a cautious "no". To properly explain the crater distribution, Ito and Malhotra say some other factor must have been involved. One possibility is that we simply haven't seen all the craters yet: the ongoing lunar mapping missions may help on that score. Another idea is that the Earth's tidal forces tear Earth-crossing asteroids apart, creating a higher number of impacts than might otherwise be expected. But the most exciting and potentially worrying possibility is that there exists a previously unseen population of near Earth asteroids that orbit the Sun at approximately the same distance as the Earth. These have gone unnoticed because they are smaller or darker than other asteroids, say Ito and Malhotra. "More complete observational surveys of the near-Earth asteroids can test our prediction," they say. And let's not waste too much time about it. By some reckonings, asteroid impacts represent the greatest threat to humankind that we are able to calculate. Ref: arxiv.org/abs/0907.3010 : Asymmetric Impacts of Near-Earth Asteroids on The Moon From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 5 18:37:25 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseid Meteor Outburst Message-ID: <200908052237.n75MbPF5013598@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Space Weather News for Aug. 4, 2009 http://spaceweather.com POSSIBLE PERSEID METEOR OUTBURST: This year's Perseid meteor shower could be even better than usual. According to NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office, a filament of comet dust has drifted across Earth's path and when Earth passes through it, sometime between 0800 and 0900 UT (1 - 2 am PDT) on August 12th, the Perseid meteor rate could surge to twice its normal value. Check http://spaceweather.com for details and observing tips. PERSEIDS ON YOUR iPHONE: Spaceweather.com is pleased to announce a new iPhone/iPod application dedicated to the upcoming Perseid meteor shower. It features a Perseid countdown clock, news alerts, an easy-to-use sky map, and a live gallery of photos from around the world. Sky watchers of all types will find it a valuable companion when the shower peaks later this month. Learn more: http://spaceweather.com/perseids Download the app: http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=325305245&mt=8 From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 5 18:54:15 2009 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:54:15 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page References: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> Message-ID: Hi, Mike, List, > Who falls for that stuff anyway? Advance Fee Frauds, or 419 scams, collect in excess of half a billion US dollars a year worldwide, of which at least $80 million a year comes frome the US. The Champion US Sucker is an Oregon woman who lose over $400,000 in 2008. Victims have been kidnapped for ransom, murdered, and sometimes turned into criminals themselves. Read all about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance-fee_fraud Sterling K. Webb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Michael Blood" Cc: "Meteorite List" Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page > Hi Michael, > > I received a spam response from the friends page as well. But, I get > so much spam anyway (from the web in general, not your site), that it > didn't bug me. I just deleted it. It was the typical Nigerian type > scam involving millions of dollars, bank transfers, etc. > > Who falls for that stuff anyway? > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > On 8/5/09, Michael Blood wrote: >> Hi all, >> I have been alerted by at least 3 people that a >> Spam mailing, specifically citing my IN DEPTH >> FRIENDS PAGE (kindly hosted by that king of >> Web pages, Paul Harris & his partner in crime, >> The ingenious Jim Tobin) >> First: this particular spam actually cited my >> Page as their source - I assume to "gain" a sense of >> "honesty" or "affiliation." I can think of no other reason >> (unless I get really paranoid and start suspecting someone >> Is ticked at me and wants to taint my endeavors - seams >> Highly unlikely) >> Second: one must realize spammers have a wide >> Arsenal of methods of getting email addresses. Spam >> Is the dog poop on the lawn - yet we all continue to >> Have lawns (except that clever devil, Geoff Notkin, >> Who has sand and cactus). >> Those that want to remove their email address >> >From their IN DEPTH FRIENDS PAGE, go for it - >> You can edit it out just as you edited in any and all >> Information there. HOWEVER, that will be a drop >> In the bucket, as spamming bastards, as I said, will >> Get your email address so many ways it would blow >> Your mind - it starts when you GET an email address, >> Expands when you email ANYONE, visit ANY net >> Site, order anything on the net, receive email, etc. >> Every conceivable method one could think of >> (and MANY one would not think of) is used. >> I would be amazed if there is not an ebook available >> For spammers! >> Anyway, the point is, if you want to edit out your email >> Address you can do so just as you put it in but the effect >> On the amount of spam you receive will likely be unnoticeable. >> Sorry this is how it is. >> Best wishes, Michael >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mlblood at cox.net Wed Aug 5 19:12:22 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:12:22 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] New Friends Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, You can now see the luminous visages of Gary Fujihara & Greg Stanley at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html Best wishes, Michael PS: On this page no other information than Photo and name (alphabetical by first name to make it Easy to look and see to whom on the list you are writing Or who is posting). PPS: For DETAILED info - up to 5 or 6 photos, URL addresses, A personal Bio. One's email address, or whatever YOU CHOOSE can be reached by going to the URL above and There is a link - then you can edit whatever you want to Post to the more in detail friends pages OR NOT. You MUST, however, be already on the photo/name Friend's Page first to utilize the In Detail Friends Pages. -- -- If Jimmy cracks corn and no one cares, why is there a song about him? -- I thought I saw an eye doctor on an Alaskan island, but it turned out to be an optical Aleutian. From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 5 19:19:51 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:19:51 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page In-Reply-To: References: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> Message-ID: For some light and humorous reading, revenge on the scammers: http://www.419eater.com/ http://www.419eater.com/ especially The Trophy Room, and Letters Archive. ---------------------------------------- > From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net > To: meteoritemike at gmail.com; mlblood at cox.net > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:54:15 -0500 > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page > > Hi, Mike, List, > >> Who falls for that stuff anyway? > > Advance Fee Frauds, or 419 scams, collect in excess of > half a billion US dollars a year worldwide, of which at least > $80 million a year comes frome the US. The Champion US > Sucker is an Oregon woman who lose over $400,000 in 2008. > > Victims have been kidnapped for ransom, murdered, > and sometimes turned into criminals themselves. Read > all about it: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance-fee_fraud > > > Sterling K. Webb > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" > To: "Michael Blood" > Cc: "Meteorite List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page > > >> Hi Michael, >> >> I received a spam response from the friends page as well. But, I get >> so much spam anyway (from the web in general, not your site), that it >> didn't bug me. I just deleted it. It was the typical Nigerian type >> scam involving millions of dollars, bank transfers, etc. >> >> Who falls for that stuff anyway? >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> >> On 8/5/09, Michael Blood wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I have been alerted by at least 3 people that a >>> Spam mailing, specifically citing my IN DEPTH >>> FRIENDS PAGE (kindly hosted by that king of >>> Web pages, Paul Harris & his partner in crime, >>> The ingenious Jim Tobin) >>> First: this particular spam actually cited my >>> Page as their source - I assume to "gain" a sense of >>> "honesty" or "affiliation." I can think of no other reason >>> (unless I get really paranoid and start suspecting someone >>> Is ticked at me and wants to taint my endeavors - seams >>> Highly unlikely) >>> Second: one must realize spammers have a wide >>> Arsenal of methods of getting email addresses. Spam >>> Is the dog poop on the lawn - yet we all continue to >>> Have lawns (except that clever devil, Geoff Notkin, >>> Who has sand and cactus). >>> Those that want to remove their email address >>>>From their IN DEPTH FRIENDS PAGE, go for it - >>> You can edit it out just as you edited in any and all >>> Information there. HOWEVER, that will be a drop >>> In the bucket, as spamming bastards, as I said, will >>> Get your email address so many ways it would blow >>> Your mind - it starts when you GET an email address, >>> Expands when you email ANYONE, visit ANY net >>> Site, order anything on the net, receive email, etc. >>> Every conceivable method one could think of >>> (and MANY one would not think of) is used. >>> I would be amazed if there is not an ebook available >>> For spammers! >>> Anyway, the point is, if you want to edit out your email >>> Address you can do so just as you put it in but the effect >>> On the amount of spam you receive will likely be unnoticeable. >>> Sorry this is how it is. >>> Best wishes, Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> ......................................................... >> Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) >> Member of the Meteoritical Society. >> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com >> FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale >> Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >> eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle >> .......................................................... >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 From mikewren at gilanet.com Wed Aug 5 20:52:16 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:52:16 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Admire/Bondoc References: <1652344814.1546271249516684369.JavaMail.root@sz0101a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8295A0CB-6386-41E2-8F64-88EBF6E30471@gilanet.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: meteoritehunter at comcast.net > Date: August 5, 2009 4:58:04 PM GMT-07:00 > To: mikewren at gilanet.com > Subject: Admire/Bondoc > > Michael, > Can you forward this to the list? > Mike > > > > I have updated my website today with some nice museum pieces, Admire > from > Nininger and ASU collections and Bondoc from the Smithsonian > collection. > I have more pieces than are listed, so if you want something > specific or a > different price range, email me. > > I have many pieces of Bondoc, polished or unpolished, silicate, > pyroxene, or > metal-rich pieces including large metal nodule pieces all with > copies of > Smithsonian label. > > Admire I have both polished and unpolished pieces, ncie crystals and > metal, all > with copies of ASU label. > > http://meteoriteguy.com/catalog/admire.htm > > http://meteoriteguy.com/catalog/bondoc.htm > > > http://www.meteoritehunter.com > > Thanks > Michael Farmer From MeteorHntr at aol.com Wed Aug 5 22:06:12 2009 From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:06:12 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Let's Admire an Ad for Admire on Ebay Message-ID: Hello List, I have been asked to document what Admire Pallasite material is actually worth. Some say under $0.10/g; others say $1.00/g; while still others say $10.00/g and there are buyers that seem to be happy to pay over $50/g in places. But, all those numbers are just guesses. Since so little of Admire has made it onto the retail market in the last 15 years, it is hard to determine what the true fair market value would be nowadays. So I figured the best way to find out would be to start some at $1 on Ebay with no reserve, and see where they end at. I don't want to put up too much up on Ebay all closing on one night, so I am starting the test with 8 various sized pieces in this first Ebay batch from 1.9 grams up to over 2.4 kg. Depending on how these in the first batch go, I will determine how much more I will put up later on Ebay. If some of you would like to see bigger pieces on Ebay, let me know off list. But whatever happens, I should be able to have a documented range of what the market values are for different sized pieces. There was a dilemma I was facing, on whether I wanted to spend my "one AD for the week" here at the start of the auctions, or wait until right before they all close on Saturday to put my one AD up here on the Meteorite List. Since I am doing this round for only a 3 day auction, I figured it would be best to go ahead and get the notice out here at the start so everyone has the time to check them out. Everyone is invited to admire the 8 Admire lots I have up on Ebay here: http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store Remember to bid high and bid often. And don't forget that the object of the game is to see how high you can bid the lots up without getting caught! ;-) Thanks for your consideration. Steve Arnold of "Meteorite Men" From fujmon at mac.com Thu Aug 6 02:46:49 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:46:49 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Update: Interesting crystal in meteorite - a closer look Message-ID: <6782F600-2896-4702-AD60-C0FF8FDF5360@mac.com> Aloha, Monday I introduced to the list, a recently obtained meteorite with a large iridescent crystal visible in its naturally broken face. Yesterday, I walked down to the Geology Department to show the specimen to Dr Ken Hon, who inspected it and took some photomicrographs of the crystal. You can check out what they look like up close here: http://astroday.net/meteorites.html Next step: shipping out the specimen to UH Manoa for analysis ... Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From mikewren at gilanet.com Thu Aug 6 03:36:31 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:36:31 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions Ending Today, Highlights Added, Sale In My Ebay Store, Some Serious Reductions on Select Pieces! Message-ID: <12B8FE0E-05A9-4960-8A8A-B95AE3706105@gilanet.com> Hello Everyone! *Special Note. I will be gone hunting meteorites, most of next week, so I am using up an extra sales "AD" post for this week. In case anyone is keeping track. Also, please pay promptly so I can get your packages out this week. MAKE ME OFFERS on my Best Offer Pieces, I need extra dollars to buy a new meteorite from a rancher next week. If not, well, I will buy it anyway! All auctions can be seen here: Go Here: http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ HIGHLIGHTS FOR 0.99 Cent Auctions: (New) Main Mass, NWA 5537, LL3.5, LTKW 92.65g, A VERY NICE MAIN MASS! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368658366 Rare Type, H3.5, WELLMAN (f), Texas, 12.63g, My LAST Large specimen, a real nice one too! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368657324 Beautiful (New), -NWA 5526, L3, 13.87 gram, Check this one out! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368644933 CANYON DIABLO Individual, IAB Iron, 232 g, pretty nice individual. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368630415 Super Rare BONITA SPRINGS, Florida, 0.85 gram, LAST & ONLY SPECIMEN! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368546490 EADS, Colorado, H4 & Seldom Available, 4.28g, Really nice part slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368543491 Outstanding Silicated-Campo Del Cielo -108g, SUPER COOL! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368540580 Choice Specimen From Northwest Africa-54.03g, Pretty Cool ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368539403 Choice Specimen From Northwest Africa-296g, Really Nice Fusion Crust! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368542437 A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 258g .... BIG http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368545658 Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 7.87g, Nice Lot! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368561038 New Fall- TAMDAKHT, H5, 19.9 gram, With Crust, nice specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368558878 IMILAC, Pallasite Individual From Chile,1.34g- One I found in 1997! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368538566 (New) WILBUR WASH, Az., L6, Slice, 16.54 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368536439 (New) Olivine Diogenite-NWA 5480, 2.47 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368623285 New) CV3, NWA 5546 From Africa, 24.51 gram, This one is sweet! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368642311 Seldom Available TAHOKA, Texas, L5, 3.26 g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368624143 Classic - GOLD BASIN, Arizona, L4, 38.12 g, nice 1/2 stone. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368559846 Rare NWA 2932, Mesosiderite, Nice! 4.54 gram, SUPER COOL NODULE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368627256 VERY NEW) The WEST, Texas Fall, L6, 0.66g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368541489 There are more than what I listed.... THESE ARE DEALS !!! WORTH CHECKING OUT! A Beautiful Slice Of LUEDERS, Silicated 49.9g, A BEAUTY! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368629768 Superb Specimen of SEYMCHAN, Pal, 1174 gram, THERE IS NOT A BETTER 1 kilo ENCUT OUT THERE FOR SALE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368626492 Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 2,418 gram BIG SPECIMEN FOR CHEAP! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200370309319 A Rare Specimen-1st OFFER of $3500.00 takes it home! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200301383510 Bilanga-1st OFFER OF $600.00 takes it Home! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200366353676 This One is A MUSEUM GRADE INDIVIDUAL- 1st $2500.00 takes it home, contact me about this one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200331667137 First $500.00 Offer wins this one! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200356012400 Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 2594 g, BIG SPECIMEN, REALLY CHEAP! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200370306258 Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 05:43:34 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Collector ethics... Apology In-Reply-To: <523809.91886.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <971345.67359.qm@web55203.mail.re4.yahoo.com> This is a public retraction to my insinuation that Steve was acting unethically regarding his collection as listed on the Encyclopedia of Meteorites website. Steve, I apologize for all the appearance of challenging your ethics. Please accept my apology for doing so. Crow was on my menu tonight. Steve wrote me privately and if I may summarize since it was private he is probably a little frustrated with the situation but had no intention of deceiving anyone. The meteorwongs/meteorsuspects were inadvertently uploaded a long time ago and Steve realized they shouldn't be there but each time he removed them they reappeared. This could have been when the EOM was transfered and used backed up files, whatever. He has tried once again to remove them from the data base of confirmed meteorites. I have also written the IMCA raising a suggestion that they consider a section in the future EOM expansion for suspected meteorites needing an opinion of ID and perhaps an archive section for meteorwrongs retained as a learning tool. I know many of us look at photos of other people's material when we are trying to see what others think of a particular "strange" specimen. Heck, for years that (e.g. eBay) was the only resource most of us had for knowing what "real" meteorites looked like. Going by written descriptions alone, as published as late as 15 years ago, I could make the case for classifying my '68 VW Beetle as an IAB silicated iron! Again sorry for the tempest but the goal pushed forward, I hope, in keeping the EOM limited to confirmed meteorites. Elton From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Thu Aug 6 07:32:09 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:32:09 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lampiayrie - I found a type and deposit mass! Message-ID: <001101ca1689$894e6f70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Hi list! Since days I'm making a radical house-cleaning. (Really - dust, sweat & tears - and no marketing bushwah). Yesterday I found a 25 gram Lampiayrie. If you remember, that was the observed fall in Burkina Faso, where apparently everybody relied on everybody, that he will care for classification - so that in the end nothing happened. So many falls aren't found per year, so I guess we should get the things straight, right? That piece is sufficiently large enough for the required deposit, so I would immolate it for the classification. So that the collectors, who have it the collection, finally can take it out again from the darkest corner of their drawers. So Mike, Marcin and all, who had to do with that fall. Please, I'd need the basic information about tkw, fall place, date ect. Could we gather these data altogether together? Or has meanwhile someone handed in a sample for classification? And who of the classifiers here on the list, would like to make that fall? Best! Martin (PS: Yah, I do a house-cleaning sale too, hundreds of pieces - good ones, bad ones, small ones, large ones, good ones, crappy ones - all starting at zero - though I don't use ebay, but put them up for a slow "auction" in the German meteorite forum. For the thing going more relaxed - cause I need that time for cleaning, and so whenever I find new pieces, I constantly add them to the sale. And without the triple-"b"-clamour. (Blow out, Ballpark, Bargain) If you're interested in taking part in that affair, just send a private email) From gsac at gmx.net Thu Aug 6 08:08:41 2009 From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:08:41 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lampiayrie - I found a type and deposit mass! In-Reply-To: <001101ca1689$894e6f70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <001101ca1689$894e6f70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <20090806120841.23700@gmx.net> > If you remember, that was the observed fall in Burkina Faso, > where apparently everybody relied on everybody, that he will care for > classification - so that in the end nothing happened. > So many falls aren't found per year, so I guess we should get the things > straight, right? > That piece is sufficiently large enough for the required deposit, > so I would immolate it for the classification. > So that the collectors, who have it the collection, finally can take it > out again from the darkest corner of their drawers Great idea - kudos to the man! > I do a house-cleaning sale too, hundreds of pieces - good ones, > bad ones, small ones, large ones, good ones, crappy ones - all starting > at zero - though I don't use ebay, but put them up for a slow "auction" > in the German meteorite forum. For those who can read the German language and would like to follow the auction, this is the link: http://www.jgr-apolda.eu/index.php?topic=4139.0 Just scroll down the pages to find out what it is all about. To see pics of the pieces, you would have to register with the forum, or else contact Martin. This is Euroland, so all the auction proposals summarized every now and then are in Euros, of course.. I haven?t seen such a "relaxed-mood" auction for quite a while, btw, this is why I would like to point at it... Alex Berlin/Germany From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 09:29:06 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 06:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] trade offer Message-ID: <940563.75744.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list.I have a 1.7 kilo whole stone 100% crusted for trade. I am looking for any unclassified or gao stone buttons.Let me know off list. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From cynapse at charter.net Thu Aug 6 12:58:48 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:58:48 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Family portrait of the solar system In-Reply-To: <6782F600-2896-4702-AD60-C0FF8FDF5360@mac.com> References: <6782F600-2896-4702-AD60-C0FF8FDF5360@mac.com> Message-ID: http://kokogiak.com/solarsystembodieslargerthan200miles.html From spacerocksinc at aol.com Thu Aug 6 12:47:17 2009 From: spacerocksinc at aol.com (spacerocksinc at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:47:17 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 8.6.2009 Message-ID: <814617046-1249577221-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1427590285-@bxe1074.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_6_2009.html Thumbed On My BlackBerry From magellon.ken at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 13:38:40 2009 From: magellon.ken at gmail.com (Ken Newton) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:38:40 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? In-Reply-To: References: <219894.39322.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Update: Steve contacted me offline and explained that the suspect items were uploaded years ago and he had since tried to delete them but his efforts had somehow been blocked. I do not doubt his explanation. Steve has been sharing his photos of authentic meteorites and I hope he continues to contribute to the hobby and the meteorite community. Best, ken > Steve, > Since you have contributed to this subject, perhaps you can explain why you > have listed the following suspect items as meteorites in the "stephen > dunklee collection"? > http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=244 > camp acapulcoite > camp diogenite > camp howardite > camp pallasite > camp122006 > Limedale > Mammoth Springs > Do you really think these are meteorites? If 'no', why are they listed > beside real meteorites? > (You once sold self-classifed wrongs on eBay but you stopped) If 'yes', I > suggest this does not improve your image but even calls to question any > legitimate photos that you have supplied to the Met Bull for reference. > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor//MetBullFindphoto.php?credit=stephen+dunklee > > Ken > > From cynapse at charter.net Thu Aug 6 16:00:08 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:00:08 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Treatise on Geochemistry In-Reply-To: References: <6782F600-2896-4702-AD60-C0FF8FDF5360@mac.com> Message-ID: Came across this today: http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/science_books/chemistry/0080437516.html Looks to be a good resource, if the print editions are a bit pricy for you http://www.amazon.com/Treatise-Geochemistry-Ten-Set-1-10/dp/0080437516 From mikewren at gilanet.com Thu Aug 6 16:34:13 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:34:13 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] for those emailing me, bear with my slow internet today... Message-ID: <46A22D6A-CD28-45BD-8CE6-D36C3EE47772@gilanet.com> Hello, I am getting flooded today with offers and emails about stuff, just so happens we have a serious storm raging and my internet is very slow right now...I will answer your offers and emails as fast or as soon as I can... it is soooooooooooo slow right now. Thanks Michael Cottingham From grf2 at comcast.net Thu Aug 6 19:29:10 2009 From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:29:10 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 8.6.2009 References: <814617046-1249577221-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1427590285-@bxe1074.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: SK RULES!! -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:47 PM To: Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 8.6.2009 > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_6_2009.html > > > Thumbed On My BlackBerry > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From epgrondine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 20:02:50 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Man and Impact in the Americas Message-ID: <598646.8436.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all - Since it was mainly comets that hit and killed a lot of people, and my book "Man and Impact in the Americas" is no field guide to unknown fall sites (though it does provide the date for the Campo de Cielo impact), why buy a copy now? Good question. The ear marked NASA budget for detection this year is $5.8 million, in other words as close to $0.00 as NASA can get away with - and you know this is not anywhere near enough. You have watched NASA use a part of its $17,000 million per year to finance some of the world's best PAO's in their attempts to understate the COMET impact hazard. You have watched Morrison use NASA resources to promote his bogus comet injection hypothesis, while suppressing work on Clube and Napier's comet injection model. You have watched bogus the hazard estimates being promoted using your tax dollars. A Cosmic Katrina in the making... You have also watched NASA employees claim that we lack the means for destruction or diversion, statements you know to be lies (even though well intentioned)... All fittng in with the delusions of "life boat Mars" promoted by the g*d d**m f*****G Mars Nuts, who think that the only thing NASA should be spending $100 BILLION on is flying a few men to Mars for a few days. What is that? Maybe 50 out of 6,000,000,000 people living on this planet? While manned Mars flight will be right interesting someday, other things are likely to come first (2022), and once again, the detection budget right now is as close to $0.00 as NASA can get away with. You have watched the former NASA Administrator, an admitted Mars Nut, ignore the direct instructions of the Congress to find these things before they hit. In the meantime, the debris stream of Comet Schwassmann Wachmann 3 is on its way, due in 2022, while NASA continues to pretend that its all going to turn into magic comet dust by some imaginary process, without bothering to warn anyone about the climate effects of cometary dust loads. In other words, NASA using your tax dollars to lie to the American people about a hazard to their lives and well being. And of course there was all that time I spent here defending Hibben's reputation, and arguing about the "black mats" (all of those wonderful rationalizations of denial), all done by me working alone in isolation with stroke damage. (It just feels that way right now, and my thanks to those who helped in dealing with this.) I'd like to remind you all that I recovered some Native American accounts of the Holocene start impacts and printed them up in "Man and Impact in the Americas" long before Firestone and Kennett confirmed them. For that matter, whatever year the USGS cores come in from the Carolina's, the Great Atlantic Mega-tsunami will be confirmed, and the value of "Man and Impact in the Americas" will rise once again. So why buy a copy now? Because I need the money to carry on the good fight: $20 plus $5 shipping US, or plus $15 overseas, for hundreds of pages of small type filled with typos and not enough illustrations. Bottom line, and your purchase now will allow me to continue to hold NASA's feet to the fire until they do the right thing. Your $20 will help to determine how many times that amount of your tax dollars are spent by NASA. While the economies tight, if your anger with this and/or concious does not move you to buy a copy, remember the investment aspect. The bitch is sure to go up in value once it finishes killing me. Further, the rise in price after the next one hits is likely to be significant. Remember, with current detection resources, it could have been the Earth that was surprised instead of Jupiter. If you don't need a copy of "Man and Impact in the Americas" for yourself right now or already have one, the book also makes a wonderful gift for any Native American friends you have or any archaeologists you know. If any of you enjoyed "Man and Impact in the Americas" I would really like to hear from you. typed with one finger of my left hand by a very tired E.P. Grondine PS - I really need someone to take "Man and Impact in the Americas" over from me - some publisher with copy editors, graphic artists, and most importantly, distribution. From leighannedelray at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 22:48:20 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:48:20 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: SIGNED Krinov Sikhote-Alin Book for sale - LOW PRICE Message-ID: <5e97e2850908061948s4ccba1f6pab8acb42e76abf2@mail.gmail.com> Hi Meteorite people (my favorite people), I just wanted to give you all a heads up that I am selling a SIGNED Krinov book, or maybe it should be called a booklet. I have started it out low, and I have put a reserve on it. I was told I would be beaten with a stick if it went for too low, but the reserve is shockingly low for such a rare piece. It is signed by Krinov himself and the inscription is written out to Dr. Brian Mason. Dr. Brain Mason was born in New Zealand in 1917, he's a geochemist and pioneer in the study of meteorites. His extensive list of publications includes "Meteorites" (1962) a standard work in the field. He was a curator at the American Museum of Natural History, and from 1965, curator of meteorites at the Smithsonian Institution, where he is now Curator Emeritus. Thought if anyone would want this it would be someone on this list... Here is the auction site : http://cgi.ebay.com/E-L-Krinov-Sikhote-Alin-Meteorite-Shower-Book-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ250478936618QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiquarian_Collectible?hash=item3a51b5422a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Hopefully that link works properly. I am never very good at these e-mails. Thanks everyone, and have a great evening, Leigh Anne DelRay From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 6 23:42:39 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:42:39 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D Message-ID: Hi, all, An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! (note the full resolution link) http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. Cheers, Pete _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 From damoclid at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 00:02:54 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <808146.54110.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Neat, but the relief is a bit over done for my taste. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Pete Pete wrote: > From: Pete Pete > Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D > To: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:42 PM > > > > Hi, all, > > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! > > (note the full resolution link) > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > > > It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. > > > Cheers, > Pete > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your > inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From geoking at notkin.net Fri Aug 7 00:07:33 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:07:33 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: SIGNED Krinov Sikhote-Alin Book for sale - LOW PRICE In-Reply-To: <5e97e2850908061948s4ccba1f6pab8acb42e76abf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e97e2850908061948s4ccba1f6pab8acb42e76abf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > I just wanted to give you all a heads up that I am selling a SIGNED > Krinov book, or maybe it should be called a booklet. Leigh Anne, on the title page the Russian reads: "Sikhote-Alinski," not "Sikhote-Alin." Are you sure it's legit-ski? Hey, I'm just kidding. What a great score! If this book doesn't meet reserve, please remember it's my birthday in February. I have to come over and take a look at this remarkable item before it sells. Lucky you're my neighbor : ) Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org From lintonius at earthlink.net Fri Aug 7 01:20:39 2009 From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:20:39 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] - AD - Assortment of Irons Message-ID: <612FC0B0F67245D3994194E74DEB1C91@D190TH71> Greetings listees. I have an assortment of irons ending Friday morning on ebay. Four nice Canyon Diablos of modest proportions, a large Campo with nice thumbprints, and an exceptional slice of Muonionalusta with a nice inclusion. Thank you for looking and have a great weekend! Linton http://shop.ebay.com/lintonius/m.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A1205&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_sop=1&_sc=1 From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 7 01:29:35 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:29:35 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: <808146.54110.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <808146.54110.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: WHAAAT?! A 3D picture of an iron meteorite...ON MARS!, and you're critical? Maybe they'll do better for you next time... .....JC! ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:02:54 -0700 > From: damoclid at yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D > > Neat, but the relief is a bit over done for my taste. > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Pete Pete wrote: > >> From: Pete Pete >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D >> To: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" >> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:42 PM >> >> >> >> Hi, all, >> >> An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! >> >> (note the full resolution link) >> >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> >> >> It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Pete >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your >> inbox! >> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 From damoclid at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 01:53:41 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <429260.57076.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Pete Pete wrote: > From: Pete Pete > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D > To: damoclid at yahoo.com, "meteoritelist meteoritelist" > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:29 PM > > > > WHAAAT?! > A 3D picture of an iron meteorite...ON MARS!, and you're > critical? As a professional scientist and photographer, yes. > Maybe they'll do better for you next time... I hope they do. Sure its a meteorite, but it is after all, as far as the image production is concerned, "just another rock". Anaglyphs are one of the oldest 3D techniques and the relief on this one is much too exaggerated that it looks bad. Not very good science either, which is actually the point... Cheers -- Richard From damoclid at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 02:18:03 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite makeup powder Message-ID: <693802.78155.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I wonder what the classification is... http://tinyurl.com/lnws6v -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From jkellybeatty at comcast.net Fri Aug 7 08:02:24 2009 From: jkellybeatty at comcast.net (Kelly Beatty) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:02:24 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B38A12D75F7400C809407B23AB8CD05@NightSkyGuy> folks... > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! > (note the full resolution link) > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html neat photo! can someone please provide an estimate of its mass? the caption says it's 2/3 meter (2 feet) wide. eyeballing it, I get something in excess of 300 kg. clear skies, Kelly **************** J. Kelly Beatty Senior Contributing Editor SKY & TELESCOPE 617-416-9991 SkyandTelescope.com From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Fri Aug 7 08:14:11 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:14:11 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 7, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_7_2009.html __________________________ From bristolia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 08:24:32 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 05:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoritewrongs and Fossil Footprintwrongs Message-ID: <698325.30737.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Friends, Just as newspapers have a habit of reporting all sorts of fanciful and questionable stories about meteoritewrongs, they also have a habit of reporting stories about fossil ?footprintwrongs? without really taking the time and trouble to verify their validity. The latest pseudofossil to make the news comes from British Mysterious footprint found in Hudson's Hope, Energeticcity.ca - ?Aug 4, 2009? http://www.energeticcity.ca/fortstjohn/news/08/04/09/mysterious-footprint-found-hudsons-hope Forgotten footstep? Prince George Citizen, August 5, 2009? http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20090805206197/local/news/forgotten-footstep.html Did gardener find fossilized footprint? by Susan Lazaruk, The Province, August 7, 2009. http://www.theprovince.com/technology/gardener+find+fossilized+footprint/1864762/story.html http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.theprovince.com/technology/gardener+find+fossilized+footprint/1864762/1865689.bin Is Bigfoot's footprint preserved in stone? Calgary Herald, August 6, 2009 http://www.calgaryherald.com/technology/Bigfoot+footprint+preserved+stone/1864077/story.html The alleged footprint is just part of a rock that weathered and eroded faster than the material surrounding it. This resulted in a depression that vaguely looks like a footprint. It must have been a very slow news day. Paleontologists and geologists are plagued with pseudofossils just as much as people collecting and studying meteorites are plagued with meteorwrongs. Each year, I get numerous ones. However, as they say, a person has kiss a lot of frogs before they find either the prince or princess. Best Regards, Paul Heirnich From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 08:47:29 2009 From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:47:29 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoritewrongs and Fossil Footprintwrongs Message-ID: Paul and everyone If I had a Dollar, Pound or Euro for every meteorwrong I have had to deal over the years I could probably have comfortably retired by now. But they are actually useful, well sometimes. I was contacted by someone who thought they had found a meteorite in a stone wall on one of the Orkney Islands. Ever hopeful, I asked him to send me some photos to see if I could make some initial assessments. He very kindly did and, well you can probably guess the outcome, it clearly wasn't a meteorite but some kind of iron slag. However, I passed the images to our archaeologists who were very interested because it was perhaps evidence of early iron working from an area were none had been recorded from previously. As they say as one door closes another one opens! Cheers Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.davidson at nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: 07 August 2009 13:25 To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoritewrongs and Fossil Footprintwrongs Dear Friends, Just as newspapers have a habit of reporting all sorts of fanciful and questionable stories about meteoritewrongs, they also have a habit of reporting stories about fossil ?footprintwrongs? without really taking the time and trouble to verify their validity. The latest pseudofossil to make the news comes from British Mysterious footprint found in Hudson's Hope, Energeticcity.ca - ?Aug 4, 2009? http://www.energeticcity.ca/fortstjohn/news/08/04/09/mysterious-footprint-found-hudsons-hope Forgotten footstep? Prince George Citizen, August 5, 2009? http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20090805206197/local/news/forgotten-footstep.html Did gardener find fossilized footprint? by Susan Lazaruk, The Province, August 7, 2009. http://www.theprovince.com/technology/gardener+find+fossilized+footprint/1864762/story.html http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.theprovince.com/technology/gardener+find+fossilized+footprint/1864762/1865689.bin Is Bigfoot's footprint preserved in stone? Calgary Herald, August 6, 2009 http://www.calgaryherald.com/technology/Bigfoot+footprint+preserved+stone/1864077/story.html The alleged footprint is just part of a rock that weathered and eroded faster than the material surrounding it. This resulted in a depression that vaguely looks like a footprint. It must have been a very slow news day. Paleontologists and geologists are plagued with pseudofossils just as much as people collecting and studying meteorites are plagued with meteorwrongs. Each year, I get numerous ones. However, as they say, a person has kiss a lot of frogs before they find either the prince or princess. Best Regards, Paul Heirnich ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Free Fringe music. Celebrate Homecoming at the National Museum of Scotland 8-30 August. www.nms.ac.uk/music National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. From fujmon at mac.com Fri Aug 7 09:58:13 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:58:13 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-eBay sale on oriented NWA 859, Riker boxes, eyepieces Message-ID: <1E0D2E5A-DACC-435A-8B8E-2D1AA2A68DCD@mac.com> Aloha, I have some items for auction ending Saturday of some oriented NWA 869, and Sunday of Riker boxes, a pocket reflector telescope, Coronado CeMax telescope eyepieces, and (for you musicians and closet axe shredders) a Digitech JamMan looper pedal. Okay, the last one was a bit of a stretch for this meteorite list, but hey meteorites are rocks and you can play rock music with this device ;-) See all the items up for auction here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/fujmon_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ Cherry NWA 869 24.98g http://cgi.ebay.com/Cherry-NWA-869-Meteorite-24-98g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363121935QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b6490f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Cherry NWA 869 23.9g http://cgi.ebay.com/Cherry-NWA-869-Meteorite-23-9g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363122652QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b64bdc&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Oriented NWA 869 5.14g http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Oriented-NWA-869-Meteorite-5-14g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363123616QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b64fa0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Oriented NWA 869 6.05g http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Oriented-NWA-869-Meteorite-6-05g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363124927QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b654bf&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Oriented NWA 869 35.24g http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Oriented-NWA-869-Meteorite-35-24g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363125391QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b6568f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Used Riker Mount Display boxes (lot of 7) http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Riker-Mount-Display-Boxes-Lot-of-7_W0QQitemZ230363487777QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2bbde21&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Lomo Little Mak telescope http://cgi.ebay.com/Lomo-Little-Mak-telescope-slightly-used_W0QQitemZ230363489111QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2bbe357&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 New Coronado CeMax eyepiece set w/ case http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Coronado-CeMax-eyepiece-set-case_W0QQitemZ230363491671QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2bbed57&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Digitech JamMan looper pedal http://cgi.ebay.com/Digitech-JamMan-Looper-Pedal_W0QQitemZ230364111944QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item35a2c56448&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 ... and much more. Many of the items have starting bids of, and are still at 99?. Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From hraab at aon.at Fri Aug 7 10:49:51 2009 From: hraab at aon.at (Herbert Raab) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:49:51 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Donation for Richard Kowalski - last day! Message-ID: <4A7C5B2F.20570.A4C3B@hraab.aon.at> Hello everyone, just a short reminder that today is the last day where donations are collected which will enable use to get a sample of the Almahata Sitta meteorite for Richard Kowalski, discoverer of 2008 TC3, the meteorite's parent body. At the moment, we have collected US$ 935,--, and with a few more donations, we may be able to reach the one- thousand dollar mark. :-) To see the current amount or to send your donation trouh PayPal, please go to this site: http://www.astrometrica.at/kowalski.html Many, many thanks to thos weho have already contributed, and those who will do so today! Cheers, Herbert From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 7 12:10:57 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:10:57 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sale Meteorite auctions ending on ebay this weekend NWA 982 AHOW, Kaufman L5 Texas, Dawn (a) H6 Texas, Canyon Diablo Iron, Wagon Mound L6, NWA 753-Kem Kem R3.9 Rumuruti 19.7 grams, Ourique Portugal, Kunya-Urgench, NWA 104 L6 13.2 gms, Davy (a) L4, NWA Message-ID: Hello fellow Meteorite Collectors, I hope you're having a great weekend! I have 19 meteorites listed on ebay and there are a few ending Sunday evening. Please have a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-982-Meteorite-AHOW-60-g-IMCA-Extremely-RARE- http://cgi.ebay.com/Kaufman-Meteorite-L5-Texas-5-5-gms-IMCA-1893-Nice-COA_ http://cgi.ebay.com/Dawn-a-Meteorite-H6-Texas-6-5-gms-IMCA-1981-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/CANYON-DIABLO-Meteorite-IRON-3-2-gms-IMCA-1897-COA- http://cgi.ebay.com/WAGON-MOUND-Meteorite-L6-6-4-gms-IMCA-New-Mexico- http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-753-KEM-KEM-Meteorite-R3-9-Rumuruti-19-7g-IMCA- http://cgi.ebay.com/OURIQUE-Meteorite-Portugal-1-24g-COA-IMCA-Nice-H4- http://cgi.ebay.com/Kunya-Urgench-Meteorite-76g-COA-IMCA-Nice-H5-1998- http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-104-Meteorite-L6-Chondrite-13-2-g-IMCA- http://cgi.ebay.com/Davy-a-Meteorite-L4-Texas-4-8-gms-IMCA-1940-TCU- http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-801-Meteorite-CR2-Carbona-Chondrite-2-30g-IMCA- http://cgi.ebay.com/ZAG-Meteorite-H-3-6-Chondrite-5-567g-IMCA-COA-End- http://cgi.ebay.com/Uvalde-Meteorite-H5-Texas-6-gms-IMCA-1915-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/Uvalde-Meteorite-H5-Texas-244-gms-IMCA-1915-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/LONG-ISLAND-Meteorite-Kansas-2-17-g-COA-IMCA-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/OVERLAND-PARK-Meteorite-Kansas-1-6gms-COA-IMCA-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/HOPE-CREEK-Meteorite-9-1g-COA-IMCA-LL6-RARE- http://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-Meteorite-Iron-IIE-Sili-Australia-70g-COA- http://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-Meteorite-Iron-IIE-Sili-Australia-460g-COA- NWA 982 AHOW, Kaufman L5 Texas, Dawn (a) H6 Texas, Canyon Diablo Iron, Wagon Mound L6, NWA 753-Kem Kem R3.9 Rumuruti 19.7 grams, Ourique Portugal, Kunya-Urgench, NWA 104 L6 13.2 gms, Davy (a) L4, NWA 801 CR2, Zag H 3-6, Two Uvalde from Texas, Long Island from Kansas and Overland Park from Kansas, Two specimens of Miles .70 grams, and .460 grams from Australia , Please have a look at my ebay seller's page by clicking the link here. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/searchingforfun_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZHappy hunting and clear skies!Have a great rest of the weekend!Brian CoxIMCA #6387searchingforfun is my ebay User Id From bristolia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 13:01:59 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] PDF Files of Meteorite Papers in Smithsonian Digital Repository Message-ID: <732056.55916.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Friends, There are a number of meteorite papers to be found in the Smithsonian Digital Repository at: http://si-pddr.si.edu/dspace/ For example, go look at: http://si-pddr.si.edu/dspace/simple-search?query=Meteorite Yours, Paul H. From leighannedelray at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 13:41:51 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:41:51 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 7, 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e97e2850908071041v6b02c066x5379870628e94252@mail.gmail.com> Great photo, I love this! On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:14 AM, wrote: > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_7_2009.html > > > > > > > > __________________________ > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From leighannedelray at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 14:28:58 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:28:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: SIGNED Krinov Sikhote-Alin Book for sale - LOW PRICE In-Reply-To: References: <5e97e2850908061948s4ccba1f6pab8acb42e76abf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e97e2850908071128k473d8dffv50e42e36888df165@mail.gmail.com> Geoff, I am pretty sure it is Legit-ski, hee hee. I would wrap it up with a big bow and give it to you for your b-day, but it is not really mine. And I am happy to announce that it has already met its reserve in only the first few hours!!!! WOW! I thought that reserve was really low! Anyway, happy bidding everyone! Oh, and by the way, a portion of the proceeds of this auction goes to the "Leigh Anne DelRay Root Canal Fund", so know that that is a good cause. :) Good day Everyone. ~Leigh Anne On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Notkin wrote: > Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > >> I just wanted to give you all a heads up that I am selling a SIGNED >> Krinov book, or maybe it should be called a booklet. > > > Leigh Anne, on the title page the Russian reads: "Sikhote-Alinski," not > "Sikhote-Alin." Are you sure it's legit-ski? > > Hey, I'm just kidding. What a great score! If this book doesn't meet > reserve, please remember it's my birthday in February. > > I have to come over and take a look at this remarkable item before it sells. > Lucky you're my neighbor ?: ) > > > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 7 14:57:58 2009 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:57:58 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D References: <5B38A12D75F7400C809407B23AB8CD05@NightSkyGuy> Message-ID: Hi, Kelly, List, We can see that the shape is roughly what we would expect for an iron that could survive to arrive in one piece on a planetary surface. The criteria are: low entry velocity, shallow entry angle, and a flattened broad shape. This iron is a flattened rectangle with a mild central bulge. This is not a shape that ablation would create, so it must be only slightly modified from the pre-entry shape. It's very similar to the aerodynamic designs called "lifting bodies." http://members.fortunecity.com/gvanroy1/homebuilt/facetmobile01.jpg We can assume a density of 7.7 gr cm^3 for meteoric iron. With dimensions of roughly 60-65 cm x 35-40 cm x 20-25 cm, with sides faceted at 30-40 degrees, I come up with a mass range of 310 kg to 360 kg as most likely. (I made the assumption that the bottom is symmetrical with the top, as the iron is standing up off the surface about the same distance as the height of the visible upper bulge.) Too heavy to drag home. I don't even think we could get it into the 4x4, assuming this not BLM land, that is... Sterling K. Webb ------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Beatty" To: "'meteoritelist meteoritelist'" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D > folks... > > >> An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! >> (note the full resolution link) >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > > > neat photo! can someone please provide an estimate of its mass? the > caption > says it's 2/3 meter (2 feet) wide. eyeballing it, I get something in > excess of > 300 kg. > > > clear skies, > Kelly > > **************** > J. Kelly Beatty > Senior Contributing Editor > SKY & TELESCOPE > 617-416-9991 > SkyandTelescope.com > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mail at mhmeteorites.com Fri Aug 7 16:57:12 2009 From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:57:12 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-8900g Fukang Message-ID: <20090807135712.wv9rw0ro8co8kkw4@webmail.mhmeteorites.com> I have an 8900g block of Fukang, perfect for slicing on Ebay. Will listen to all offers. See here: From aidmohamed at rocketmail.com Fri Aug 7 18:59:11 2009 From: aidmohamed at rocketmail.com (Aid Mohamed) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: achondrites for sale Message-ID: <270289.53110.qm@web111203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello List I hope all have a nice day, I have some achondrites for sale, enjoy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34600337 at N07/ who's interessing contact me off the list Best wishes Aid __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cdtucson at cox.net Fri Aug 7 12:54:01 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 9:54:01 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> Pete, List, Very interesting photo. I have a question about it's morphology? Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I thought Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of surface materials? It was my understanding that the material ablated away as it passed through the atmosphere . If that is so then why does it look the same on Mars. Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it entered Mars' atmosphere? Just curious. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- Pete Pete wrote: > > > > Hi, all, > > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! > > (note the full resolution link) > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > > > It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. > > > Cheers, > Pete > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 7 19:07:01 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:07:01 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sale Meteorites on ebay ending this weekend, 19 total Meteorite Specimens Message-ID: <68834CBE6C33487BBE01EA96DE4F5D93@user6e6e286533> Hello fellow Meteorite Collectors, I hope you're having a great weekend! I have 19 meteorites listed on ebay and there are a few ending Sunday evening. Please have a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-982-Meteorite-AHOW-60-g-IMCA-Extremely-RARE- http://cgi.ebay.com/Kaufman-Meteorite-L5-Texas-5-5-gms-IMCA-1893-Nice-COA_ http://cgi.ebay.com/Dawn-a-Meteorite-H6-Texas-6-5-gms-IMCA-1981-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/CANYON-DIABLO-Meteorite-IRON-3-2-gms-IMCA-1897-COA- http://cgi.ebay.com/WAGON-MOUND-Meteorite-L6-6-4-gms-IMCA-New-Mexico- http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-753-KEM-KEM-Meteorite-R3-9-Rumuruti-19-7g-IMCA- http://cgi.ebay.com/OURIQUE-Meteorite-Portugal-1-24g-COA-IMCA-Nice-H4- http://cgi.ebay.com/Kunya-Urgench-Meteorite-76g-COA-IMCA-Nice-H5-1998- http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-104-Meteorite-L6-Chondrite-13-2-g-IMCA- http://cgi.ebay.com/Davy-a-Meteorite-L4-Texas-4-8-gms-IMCA-1940-TCU- http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-801-Meteorite-CR2-Carbona-Chondrite-2-30g-IMCA- http://cgi.ebay.com/ZAG-Meteorite-H-3-6-Chondrite-5-567g-IMCA-COA-End- http://cgi.ebay.com/Uvalde-Meteorite-H5-Texas-6-gms-IMCA-1915-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/Uvalde-Meteorite-H5-Texas-244-gms-IMCA-1915-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/LONG-ISLAND-Meteorite-Kansas-2-17-g-COA-IMCA-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/OVERLAND-PARK-Meteorite-Kansas-1-6gms-COA-IMCA-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/HOPE-CREEK-Meteorite-9-1g-COA-IMCA-LL6-RARE- http://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-Meteorite-Iron-IIE-Sili-Australia-70g-COA- http://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-Meteorite-Iron-IIE-Sili-Australia-460g-COA- NWA 982 AHOW, Kaufman L5 Texas, Dawn (a) H6 Texas, Canyon Diablo Iron, Wagon Mound L6, NWA 753-Kem Kem R3.9 Rumuruti 19.7 grams, Ourique Portugal, Kunya-Urgench, NWA 104 L6 13.2 gms, Davy (a) L4, NWA 801 CR2, Zag H 3-6, Two Uvalde from Texas, Long Island from Kansas and Overland Park from Kansas, Two specimens of Miles .70 grams, and .460 grams from Australia , Please have a look at my ebay seller's page by clicking the link here. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/searchingforfun_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ Happy hunting and clear skies! Have a great rest of the weekend! Brian Cox IMCA #6387 searchingforfun is my ebay User Id From meteoritemike at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 19:33:56 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:33:56 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Oriented UNWA w/ flowlines, rare micros, LDG, Diablo Display, and more! Message-ID: Hi List, I am cleaning out some surplus inventory from my store inventory and from my personal cabinet. All prices below include shipping to anywhere in the US - Canada/Overseas shipping is extra. Super bargain deal - get all 22 micromounts listed below, plus every item on this sale list (including the museum-quality pieces) for $600 shipped to anywhere in the US. (Canada or Overseas will be extra) Feel free to contact me offlist with any questions or requests - meteoritemike at gmail.com Thanks for looking and clear skies! MikeG ------------------------------------------ Micromount clearance - these are the last specimens of these particular falls/finds that I have. Some of these have not been weighed. Contact me for weights or photos if interested. All micros include gemjar and label. Bjurbole (L/LL4 fall) - $10 - (fragments and chondrules) Holbrook (L/LL6 hammer fall) - $10 - (480mg with crust) Norton County (aubrite fall) - $10 (fragments) Sulagiri (LL6 fall) - $10 - (fragments) NWA 801 (CR2 find) - $10 - (25mg fragments) NWA 1459 (OD find) - $10 - (fragments) NWA 4295 (EL6/7 find) - $10 - (part slice) NWA 2968 (achon-anom find) - $15 - (1mg fragment) Weston (H4 hammer fall) - $15 - (fragments) Willamette (iron find) - $10 (shale fragments) Zagami (Shergottite fall) - $15 - (fragments and dust) Take all of the above clearance micros for $60 shipped (CONUS), $70 shipped to Canada and Overseas. ------------------------------------------ Micromount sale - selected micros at reduced prices. All micros include gemjar and label. Carancas (H4-5 hammer fall) - $5 - (fragments and dust) Chergach (H5 fall) - $5 - (small part slices and crusted fragments) Gao Guenie (H5 hammer fall) - $5 - (small crusted fragments) Ghubara (L5 find) - $5 - (fragments) Gold Basin (L4 find) - $5 - (fragments) NWA 869 (L4-6 find) - $5 - (nice little endcuts and slices) NWA 2126 (eucrite find) - $6 (nice part slices) Oum Dreyga (H3-5 fall) - $5 - (350mg thin part slice) Sikhote Alin (iron fall) - $5 - (nice shrapnel piece) Tamdakht (H5 fall) - $5 - (fragments, some crusted) Zag (H3-6 fall) - $5 - (fragments, some crusted) Take one of each for $40 shipped (CONUS), or $50 shipped to Canada and Overseas. --------------------------------------------- Museum-quality and Aesthetic Display Specimens - All of the prices below include US shipping unless otherwise noted. - Big Libyan Desert Glass - 87 grams yellow/green with tiny spheroid inclusions - $80 shipped. Canyon Diablo Crater Kit - 60 gram Diablo iron, crater rim rock, shocked quartz sand, label, photo, Riker - $75 shipped (CONUS), $85 Canada/Overseas. Nice UNWA stony chondrite - dark wind polish, 107 grams, $15 shipped. Superb Oriented Heat-Shield UNWA - flowlines, 100% dark remnant crust, 90 grams, chondrule-rich - $225 shipped. MAPS Journals (Meteoritics and Planetary Science) - 3 recent issues available, $10 each. Huge Sudbury Shattercone - 682 grams with metal display label - $50 shipped. Moon Rock and Mars Rock Display - labelled lunar and martian meteorite micromounts in a Riker box - $60 shipped (CONUS) Decaturville Impact Structure - breccia endcut, 136 grams - $20 shipped. Wells Creek Crater - shattercone cluster, 192 grams - $25 shipped. Meteorite Collector Kit - digital scale, 1cm cube magnet, 10x loupe, bonus UNWA meteorite - $25 shipped (US), $30 Canada and Overseas. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From grf2 at comcast.net Fri Aug 7 19:51:07 2009 From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:51:07 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> Message-ID: <76C1823432054822B231502DB14E610C@ASUS> It sure does look rather tortured -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:54 PM To: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" ; "Pete Pete" Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D > Pete, List, > Very interesting photo. > I have a question about it's morphology? > Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? > Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I thought > Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of surface > materials? It was my understanding that the material ablated away as it > passed through the atmosphere . If that is so then why does it look the > same on Mars. > Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it entered > Mars' atmosphere? > Just curious. > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > > ---- Pete Pete wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, all, >> >> An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! >> >> (note the full resolution link) >> >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> >> >> It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Pete >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! >> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cynapse at charter.net Fri Aug 7 20:59:37 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:59:37 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: <76C1823432054822B231502DB14E610C@ASUS> References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> <76C1823432054822B231502DB14E610C@ASUS> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:51:07 -0400, you wrote: >It sure does look rather tortured > But it never broke! From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 7 20:43:05 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Triple Asteroid System Triples Observers' Interest (Asteorid 1994 CC) Message-ID: <200908080043.n780h5bc006183@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=2259 Triple Asteroid System Triples Observers' Interest Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 06, 2009 Radar imaging at NASA's Goldstone Solar System Radar on June 12 and 14, 2009, revealed that near-Earth asteroid 1994 CC is a triple system. Asteroid 1994 CC encountered Earth within 2.52 million kilometers (1.56 million miles) on June 10. Prior to the flyby, very little was known about this celestial body. 1994 CC is only the second triple system known in the near-Earth population. A team led by Marina Brozovic and Lance Benner, both scientists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., made the discovery. 1994 CC consists of a central object about 700 meters (2,300 feet) in diameter that has two smaller moons revolving around it. Preliminary analysis suggests that the two small satellites are at least 50 meters (164 feet) in diameter. Radar observations at Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico, led by the center's director Mike Nolan, also detected all three objects, and the combined observations from Goldstone and Arecibo will be utilized by JPL scientists and their colleagues to study 1994 CC's orbital and physical properties. The next comparable Earth flyby for asteroid 1994 CC will occur in the year 2074 when the space rock trio flies past Earth at a distance of two-and-a-half million kilometers (1.6 million miles). Of the hundreds of near-Earth asteroids observed by radar, only about 1 percent are triple systems. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 7 20:51:14 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Recommaissance Orbiter Safe After Computer Swap Message-ID: <200908080051.n780pENZ009213@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-118 Orbiter Safe After Computer Swap Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 07, 2009 Mars Recommaissance Orbiter Mission Status Report PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is in safe mode, a precautionary standby status, and in communications with Earth after unexpectedly switching to its backup computer on Thurs. Aug. 6. Engineers are working to determine the cause of the spontaneous swap from the orbiter's "A" side computer and subsystems to the redundant "B" side. They have successfully increased the communication rate from the orbiter, but some engineering data about what was occurring just before the side swap may never be available. The team expects it will be at least several days until normal science operations resume. The event has some similarities with, but also differences from, two earlier instances of the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter spontaneously swapping sides. Jim Erickson, Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., said, "The spacecraft is safe, with good temperatures and battery charge and with solar panels properly facing the sun. The flight team is cautiously taking steps to bring it back to normal operations." The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has been studying Mars with an advanced set of instruments since 2006. It has returned more data about the planet than all other past and current missions to Mars combined. Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov 2009-118 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 7 20:53:31 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: August 3-7, 2009 Message-ID: <200908080053.n780rVl1010265@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES August 3-7, 2009 o Channels (Released 03 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090803a o Crater Delta (Released 04 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090804a o Richardson Crater (Released 05 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090805a o Richardson Crater (Released 06 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090806a o Kaiser Crater (Released 07 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090807a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 7 20:54:58 2009 From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D (3225)) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:54:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> Message-ID: I've been wondering if someone would ask that... Kinda looks like Imilac, eh? On 8/7/09 9:54 AM, "cdtucson at cox.net" wrote: > Pete, List, > Very interesting photo. > I have a question about it's morphology? > Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? > Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I thought > Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of surface materials? It > was my understanding that the material ablated away as it passed through the > atmosphere . If that is so then why does it look the same on Mars. > Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it entered Mars' > atmosphere? > Just curious. > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > > ---- Pete Pete wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, all, >> >> An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! >> >> (note the full resolution link) >> >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> >> >> It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Pete >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! >> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From grf2 at comcast.net Fri Aug 7 22:13:52 2009 From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:13:52 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42><76C1823432054822B231502DB14E610C@ASUS> Message-ID: The other half is out of the frame -------------------------------------------------- From: "Darren Garrison" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:59 PM To: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D > On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:51:07 -0400, you wrote: > >>It sure does look rather tortured >> > > But it never broke! > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From eric at meteoritesusa.com Sat Aug 8 01:16:39 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:16:39 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Really Cool Desktop Wallpaper Message-ID: <4A7D0A37.70109@meteoritesusa.com> Happy meteorite day! http://www.wallpaperlinux.com/v/FreeLinuxWallpaper/Free+Linux+Cosmic+Wallpapers+Development+as+Freedom.jpg.html? Regards, Eric Oh yeah... my second meteorite anniversary was 2 days ago. 2 years in the wonderful world of meteorites. Oh how far we've come... From schroer at bigpond.com Sat Aug 8 03:16:04 2009 From: schroer at bigpond.com (W&S Schroer) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:46:04 +0930 Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay Message-ID: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> Hi List, this is my first posting and I've decided start off with another one of those foul smelling ebay eggs. Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/0-8kg-Round-Meteorite_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef755a0c3QQitemZ270437556419QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f15QQsalenotsupported According to Wikipedia, quote 'Stupidity, or dumbness, is the property a person, action or belief instantiates by virtue of having or being indicative of low intelligence or poor learning abilities.' Cheers Werner Schroer From fujmon at mac.com Sat Aug 8 10:46:39 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:46:39 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-eBay sale on oriented NWA 869, Riker boxes, eyepieces Message-ID: Aloha, I have some items for auction ending TODAY of some oriented NWA 869, and Sunday of Riker boxes, a pocket reflector telescope, Coronado CeMax telescope eyepieces, and (for you musicians and closet axe shredders) a Digitech JamMan looper pedal. Okay, the last one was a bit of a stretch for this meteorite list, but hey meteorites are rocks and you can play rock music with this device ;-) See all the items up for auction here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/fujmon_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ Cherry NWA 869 24.98g http://cgi.ebay.com/Cherry-NWA-869-Meteorite-24-98g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363121935QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b6490f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Cherry NWA 869 23.9g http://cgi.ebay.com/Cherry-NWA-869-Meteorite-23-9g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363122652QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b64bdc&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Oriented NWA 869 5.14g http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Oriented-NWA-869-Meteorite-5-14g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363123616QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b64fa0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Oriented NWA 869 6.05g http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Oriented-NWA-869-Meteorite-6-05g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363124927QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b654bf&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Oriented NWA 869 35.24g http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Oriented-NWA-869-Meteorite-35-24g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363125391QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b6568f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Used Riker Mount Display boxes (lot of 7) http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Riker-Mount-Display-Boxes-Lot-of-7_W0QQitemZ230363487777QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2bbde21&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Lomo Little Mak telescope http://cgi.ebay.com/Lomo-Little-Mak-telescope-slightly-used_W0QQitemZ230363489111QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2bbe357&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 New Coronado CeMax eyepiece set w/ case http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Coronado-CeMax-eyepiece-set-case_W0QQitemZ230363491671QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2bbed57&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Digitech JamMan looper pedal http://cgi.ebay.com/Digitech-JamMan-Looper-Pedal_W0QQitemZ230364111944QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item35a2c56448&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 ... and much more. Most of the items are still priced very low - a perfect time to score some deals! Peace and poi. Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 8 11:28:25 2009 From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:28:25 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay Message-ID: <2F43ABCABA3C4B06AE86E007470529F1@ET> Werner: I'm going to chant my zen mantra: Looks terrestrial to me! Phil Whitmer From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 8 11:33:21 2009 From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:33:21 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay Message-ID: <133570BBF7604B718B904D1293B7D9EE@ET> Round, no crust or classification, and priced at a mere 45,000 Astronomical Units! Phil Whitmer From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 8 11:44:06 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:44:06 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay In-Reply-To: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> References: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> Message-ID: I hope he obtained all the export permits. ---------------------------------------- > From: schroer at bigpond.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:46:04 +0930 > Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay > > Hi List, > this is my first posting and I've decided start off with another one of > those foul smelling ebay eggs. > Check this out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/0-8kg-Round-Meteorite_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef755a0c3QQitemZ270437556419QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f15QQsalenotsupported > > According to Wikipedia, quote 'Stupidity, or dumbness, is the property a > person, action or belief instantiates by virtue of having or being > indicative of low intelligence or poor learning abilities.' > > Cheers > > Werner Schroer > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 13:12:16 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:12:16 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay In-Reply-To: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> References: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> Message-ID: Hi Werner, Welcome to the List. :) The seller obviously doesn't realize or care that by selling an Australian meteorite on the open market, he/she may be breaking Australian law. If a bidder from outside the country wins the auction, the seller is forbidden by law to ship the item outside of Australia's borders without an export permit. Of course, this item is NOT a meteorite, so the law doesn't apply. Best regards, MikeG On 8/8/09, W&S Schroer wrote: > Hi List, > this is my first posting and I've decided start off with another one of > those foul smelling ebay eggs. > Check this out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/0-8kg-Round-Meteorite_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef755a0c3QQitemZ270437556419QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f15QQsalenotsupported > > According to Wikipedia, quote 'Stupidity, or dumbness, is the property a > person, action or belief instantiates by virtue of having or being > indicative of low intelligence or poor learning abilities.' > > Cheers > > Werner Schroer > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sat Aug 8 14:08:27 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:08:27 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 8, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_8_2009.html __________________________ From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 8 14:18:02 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] freebies Message-ID: <377754.12274.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list. I hope all are doing well. All freebies from last week are all in the mail. Congrats to all who got them. I have 3 more to givaway if interested. They are 3 unclassed complete stones.55,66 and 81 grams.Chime in quick.I will be gone for about an hour.When I get back the first 3 people I see will get them. I am also getting used to my new tattoo. It is an eye opener and conversation piece.Pics upon demand. And no it did not hurt at all:) ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From magellon.ken at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 15:03:41 2009 From: magellon.ken at gmail.com (Ken Newton) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:03:41 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay In-Reply-To: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> References: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> Message-ID: Hi Werner, Welcome to the List! What a really neat round meteorite! Does the brown rock come with it? ;>) Best, Ken On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:16 AM, W&S Schroer wrote: > Hi List, > this is my first posting and I've decided start off with another one of > those foul smelling ebay eggs. > Check this out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/0-8kg-Round-Meteorite_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef755a0c3QQitemZ270437556419QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f15QQsalenotsupported > > According to Wikipedia, quote ?'Stupidity, or dumbness, is the property a > person, action or belief instantiates by virtue of having or being > indicative of low intelligence or poor learning abilities.' > > Cheers > > Werner Schroer > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From countdeiro at earthlink.net Sat Aug 8 15:08:38 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay Message-ID: <29727041.1249758518110.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thank for the laughs, Werner...and good on ya! Count Deiro -----Original Message----- >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >Sent: Aug 8, 2009 1:12 PM >To: W&S Schroer >Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay > >Hi Werner, > >Welcome to the List. :) > >The seller obviously doesn't realize or care that by selling an >Australian meteorite on the open market, he/she may be breaking >Australian law. If a bidder from outside the country wins the >auction, the seller is forbidden by law to ship the item outside of >Australia's borders without an export permit. > >Of course, this item is NOT a meteorite, so the law doesn't apply. > >Best regards, > >MikeG > >On 8/8/09, W&S Schroer wrote: >> Hi List, >> this is my first posting and I've decided start off with another one of >> those foul smelling ebay eggs. >> Check this out: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/0-8kg-Round-Meteorite_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef755a0c3QQitemZ270437556419QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f15QQsalenotsupported >> >> According to Wikipedia, quote 'Stupidity, or dumbness, is the property a >> person, action or belief instantiates by virtue of having or being >> indicative of low intelligence or poor learning abilities.' >> >> Cheers >> >> Werner Schroer >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > >-- >......................................................... >Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) >Member of the Meteoritical Society. >Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com >FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale >Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle >.......................................................... >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From countdeiro at earthlink.net Sat Aug 8 15:14:18 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] freebies Message-ID: <27145405.1249758858292.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Steve and List, I used to pay .25 at Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey Circus sideshows to see the "Tatooed Lady" when I was a kid, so I gotta see the free tatoo! Count Deiro -----Original Message----- >From: steve arnold >Sent: Aug 8, 2009 2:18 PM >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] freebies > >Hi list. I hope all are doing well. All freebies from last week are all in the mail. Congrats to all who got them. I have 3 more to givaway if interested. They are 3 unclassed complete stones.55,66 and 81 grams.Chime in quick.I will be gone for about an hour.When I get back the first 3 people I see will get them. I am also getting used to my new tattoo. It is an eye opener and conversation piece.Pics upon demand. And no it did not hurt at all:) >?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From aknoefel at minorplanets.de Sat Aug 8 15:28:00 2009 From: aknoefel at minorplanets.de (=?iso-8859-1?q?=41=6e=64=72=e9=20=4b=6e=f6=66=65=6c?=) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:28:00 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton memorial now in the sky Message-ID: <200908081928.n78JS0WY028342@post.webmailer.de> Richard Norton has now a memorial in the sky: the minor planet 163800 has the official name 'Richardnorton' Citation for (163800) The following citation is from Minor Planet Circular 66728: (163800) Richardnorton = 2003 QS69 O. Richard Norton (1937-2009) authored many popular books and articles about meteorites. He worked at several planetaria in the U.S.A. and designed the first 35-mm fish-eye planetarium motion-picture system. (163800) Richardnorton Epoch 2009 June 18.0 TT = JDT 2455000.5 MPC M 109.44328 (2000.0) P Q n 0.23636745 Peri. 103.27990 +0.78136992 -0.58632929 T = 2454537.47822 JDT a 2.5906631 Node 293.02690 +0.44379434 +0.76283353 q = 2.0625761 e 0.2038424 Incl. 13.42841 +0.43875691 +0.27258572 P 4.17 H 15.5 G 0.15 U 2 >From 105 observations at 4 oppositions, 1999-2007, mean residual 0".54. Last observed on 2009 Jan. 26. Discovery date : 2003 08 26 Discovery site : Drebach Discoverer(s) : Knofel, A. Regards Andr? From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 15:49:52 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:49:52 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton memorial now in the sky In-Reply-To: <200908081928.n78JS0WY028342@post.webmailer.de> References: <200908081928.n78JS0WY028342@post.webmailer.de> Message-ID: Hi Andre, Thanks for sharing this. It is a fitting tribute. :) What is the mean visual magnitude of this object? Can it be seen with an amateur instrument? Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/8/09, Andr? Kn?fel wrote: > Richard Norton has now a memorial in the sky: the minor planet 163800 has > the official name 'Richardnorton' > > > Citation for (163800) > The following citation is from Minor Planet Circular 66728: > > (163800) Richardnorton = 2003 QS69 > O. Richard Norton (1937-2009) authored many popular books and articles > about meteorites. He worked at several planetaria in the U.S.A. and > designed > the first 35-mm fish-eye planetarium motion-picture system. > > > (163800) Richardnorton > > Epoch 2009 June 18.0 TT = JDT 2455000.5 MPC > M 109.44328 (2000.0) P Q > n 0.23636745 Peri. 103.27990 +0.78136992 -0.58632929 > T = 2454537.47822 JDT > a 2.5906631 Node 293.02690 +0.44379434 +0.76283353 > q = 2.0625761 > e 0.2038424 Incl. 13.42841 +0.43875691 +0.27258572 > P 4.17 H 15.5 G 0.15 U 2 > >From 105 observations at 4 oppositions, 1999-2007, mean residual 0".54. > > Last observed on 2009 Jan. 26. > > Discovery date : 2003 08 26 > Discovery site : Drebach > Discoverer(s) : Knofel, A. > > > Regards > > Andr? > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sat Aug 8 15:40:10 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 08 Aug 2009 19:40:10 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton memorial now in the sky Message-ID: Hello Andr? and List, > Richard Norton has now a memorial in the sky: the minor > planet 163800 has the official name 'Richardnorton' > (163800) Richardnorton = 2003 QS69 So very well deserved as Richard and his books inspired so many of us and showed us the way to a lasting love for all things celestial! All the very best to this List and to Richard's wife Dorothy, Bernd From aknoefel at minorplanets.de Sat Aug 8 15:59:39 2009 From: aknoefel at minorplanets.de (=?iso-8859-1?q?=41=6e=64=72=e9=20=4b=6e=f6=66=65=6c?=) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:59:39 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton memorial now in the sky Message-ID: <200908081959.n78JxdQ1021795@post.webmailer.de> Hello Mike, at present the magnitude of (163800) Richardnorton is 21.4mag - very faint... In the next opposition the magnitude reach only 20.1mag but in 2011 (end of July) the brightness will be around +18.5mag. Regards Andr? ----- original message -------- Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton memorial now in the sky Sent: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks > Hi Andre, > > Thanks for sharing this. It is a fitting tribute. :) > > What is the mean visual magnitude of this object? Can it be seen with > an amateur instrument? > > Best regards and clear skies, > > MikeG > > On 8/8/09, Andr? Kn?fel wrote: > > Richard Norton has now a memorial in the sky: the minor planet 163800 has > > the official name 'Richardnorton' > > > > > > Citation for (163800) > > The following citation is from Minor Planet Circular 66728: > > > > (163800) Richardnorton = 2003 QS69 > > O. Richard Norton (1937-2009) authored many popular books and > articles > > about meteorites. He worked at several planetaria in the U.S.A. and > > designed > > the first 35-mm fish-eye planetarium motion-picture system. > > > > > > (163800) Richardnorton > > > > Epoch 2009 June 18.0 TT = JDT 2455000.5 MPC > > M 109.44328 (2000.0) P Q > > n 0.23636745 Peri. 103.27990 +0.78136992 -0.58632929 > > T = 2454537.47822 JDT > > a 2.5906631 Node 293.02690 +0.44379434 +0.76283353 > > q = 2.0625761 > > e 0.2038424 Incl. 13.42841 +0.43875691 +0.27258572 > > P 4.17 H 15.5 G 0.15 U 2 > > >From 105 observations at 4 oppositions, 1999-2007, mean residual 0".54. > > > > Last observed on 2009 Jan. 26. > > > > Discovery date : 2003 08 26 > > Discovery site : Drebach > > Discoverer(s) : Knofel, A. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Andr? > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > --- original message end ---- From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Sat Aug 8 15:58:55 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:58:55 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Russ Finney Message-ID: Russ, Please contact me off list. Better yet, call. -mt From mlblood at cox.net Sat Aug 8 16:10:33 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:10:33 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Actual Meteorite ID In-Reply-To: <4A7D0A37.70109@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: A friend sent me a question: What is the official name of Kem Kem: >> Origin or pseudonym: Kem Kem >> Place of purchase: Rissani >> Date: P Jan 2006 >> Mass (g): 12 kg >> Pieces: many >> Class: R3.9 Please respond to the list as I am sure Others want to know. (this also prevents 27 People taking the effort - first one nails it. Thanks, all, Michael From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 16:22:54 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:22:54 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Actual Meteorite ID In-Reply-To: References: <4A7D0A37.70109@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: NWA 755? On 8/8/09, Michael Blood wrote: > A friend sent me a question: > What is the official name of Kem Kem: > >>> Origin or pseudonym: Kem Kem >>> Place of purchase: Rissani >>> Date: P Jan 2006 >>> Mass (g): 12 kg >>> Pieces: many >>> Class: R3.9 > Please respond to the list as I am sure > Others want to know. (this also prevents 27 > People taking the effort - first one nails it. > Thanks, all, Michael > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sat Aug 8 16:14:21 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 08 Aug 2009 20:14:21 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem R3.9 Message-ID: > NWA 755? Almost! See here: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=R3.9&sfor=types&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=%28Northwest+Africa%29&srt=name&categ=Rumuruti+chondrites&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=no&code=17827 Bernd From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 16:29:19 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:29:19 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem R3.9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Aaaah, you are right as always Bernd! :) 753 is a R3.9 and 755 is a R3.7 I wonder if there is any chance they are paired in some way? Was there ever a definitive answer on that? On 08 Aug 2009 20:14:21 UT, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote: >> NWA 755? > > Almost! > > See here: > > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=R3.9&sfor=types&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=%28Northwest+Africa%29&srt=name&categ=Rumuruti+chondrites&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=no&code=17827 > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sat Aug 8 16:30:01 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 08 Aug 2009 20:30:01 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 753 (R3.9) and NWA 755 (R3.7) Message-ID: Mike wonders: "I wonder if there is any chance they are paired in some way?" Judging from what the Met.Bull. says, I'd say no, they are not paired: NWA 753: S2; W2 with sulfides well preserved NWA 755: S2; W4 with most sulfides destroyed Best wishes, Bernd From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 8 19:45:44 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:45:44 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 753 (R3.9) and NWA 755 (R3.7) Message-ID: Hi Bernd, Mike and all, They both have pseudonyms of Kem Kem and found/purchased in 2000. How do you know which is which? Anyway, I thought NWA 001 was AKA Kem Kem. Oh well. Carl >Mike wonders: "I wonder if there is any chance they are paired in some way?" Judging from what the Met.Bull. says, I'd say no, they are not paired: NWA 753: S2; W2 with sulfides well preserved NWA 755: S2; W4 with most sulfides destroyed Best wishes, Bernd _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From cynapse at charter.net Sat Aug 8 21:40:41 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:40:41 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/aug/08/ben-bova-wasted-opportunity-space/ Ben Bova: Wasted opportunity in space By BEN BOVA Posted August 8, 2009 at 5:03 p.m. A couple of weeks ago we celebrated the 40th anniversary of our first landing on the moon. Forty years. We put a dozen astronauts on the moon between 1969 and 1972. And then we stopped. Washington killed the Apollo program. How far would we have progressed in space if we hadn?t stopped? What could we have accomplished if we kept moving forward? First, I want to get rid of the shibboleth about space operations being so expensive. I know NASA?s budget of some $15 billion is a hefty piece of change, but in reality space is one of the smallest government programs. All the money we have spent on NASA since the agency was founded in 1958 doesn?t equal two years? worth of funding for the Defense Department or the Department of Health and Human Services. And look at what we?ve gotten back for that investment! Home computers, satellite TV and weather observation, GPS systems, new fabrics and metal alloys, medical scanners, microminiaturized electronics that we use in everything from cell phones to heart pacemakers. Space technology has pumped trillions of dollars into the American economy, made millions of new jobs. Space is the greatest bargain the American taxpayer has had since the Louisiana Purchase. What if we had pushed ahead as vigorously after July 20, 1969, as we had in the years before the first lunar landing? To begin with, we?d have a small city in orbit by now: a space station where hundreds of people live and work. One of the station?s main functions would be repairing and refurbishing satellites in space. When a multimillion-dollar satellite breaks down because a battery has died or its gyros have malfunctioned, maintenance personnel based at the space station would go out and repair it. Much more economical than building and launching a whole new satellite. Industrial operations would be conducted in orbit, where the free solar energy, near-zero gravity and cleanliness of the vacuum environment would permit manufacturing metal alloys, pharmaceuticals and other specialized products of unprecedented purity. The United States could have become the world?s leader in specialized metal alloys, stronger than anything that can be manufactured on Earth, yet lighter. Scientists would flock to space laboratories to study everything from astronomy to low-gravity metallurgy. Tourists would go up, try the zero-gee ?honeymoon hotel,? among other delights. Construction crews would be building solar-power satellites. Converting sunlight to electricity in high orbits where they?re always in sunshine, powersats would be beaming hundreds of gigawatts of clean electricity to receiving stations on the ground, making the U.S. the world?s energy leader. The raw materials for such construction would come from the moon, most likely. The lunar crust is rich in aluminum, silicon, titanium and other valuable resources. And launching payloads from the surface of the moon ?down? to Earth orbit is more than 20 times cheaper than lifting the same tonnages from Earth. There would be a new industrial revolution taking place in space, a revolution that would make new fortunes and establish new industries. One of the industries benefitted would be transportation. With a solid and expanding market for launch services, private companies would get into the rocket-launching business in a major way. And the rockets they develop to carry people and payloads into orbit efficiently and reliably could also be used to fly people across the world at hypersonic speeds ? New York to Australia in an hour or less. Transportation and electric power are both multitrillion-dollar industries. We could have been a world leader in both, had we pushed ahead vigorously in space after 1969. Developing mining and manufacturing sites on the moon would lead to permanent settlements there. How would you like to retire to a place where gravity is only one-sixth of what it is on Earth? Or to a zero-gravity facility in orbit? You could lead a much longer and more active life without Earth?s heavy gravity pulling you down every moment of every day. With some of the profits from space industries, we could afford to send explorers to Mars and elsewhere, to learn what the other worlds of our solar system are like, and to search for life ? either extinct or still viable. There are whole worlds to explore out there, and the knowledge we gain from them could change the way we think and behave toward each other. Between Mars and Jupiter lies the asteroid belt, a region strewn with millions upon millions of smaller bodies of rock and ice. The asteroid belt could be the bonanza of the 21st century, the richest lode of metals and minerals ever discovered. One smallish metal asteroid, about the size across of a Little League baseball field, holds several trillion dollars worth of high-grade iron ore, plus many other metals ? including many tons of gold, silver and platinum. There?s a banquet of unimaginable riches in space, waiting for us to go out and make the human race wealthier than we could ever be if we remain nailed down to the surface of the Earth. Even more important, perhaps, we would have the technology to divert asteroids or comets that threaten to crash into the Earth. A rock the size of Manhattan Island slammed into the Yucatan area some 65 million years ago, killing the dinosaurs and half of all the other life forms on Earth. There are lots of other rocks that could drive us into extinction if they strike the Earth. If we had kept pushing our space technology vigorously after 1969, today we would be able to find them early enough to divert them away from us. A strong space program is vital to our economic well-being, to our understanding of the universe and to the very survival of our civilization and our species. We?ve wasted the past four decades. Let?s not waste the next 40 years. Naples resident Ben Bova is the author of more than 120 books, including ?The Return,? his latest futuristic novel. Bova?s Web site address is www.benbova.com From MeteorHntr at aol.com Sat Aug 8 23:07:09 2009 From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:07:09 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Let's Admire an Ad for Admire on Ebay Message-ID: Hello List, Well, I guess we found out that Admire is worth between $0.22/g and $18.95/g depending on several factors most of which can be related to size. I am quite pleased with how well these sold, so I will be putting more Admire lots up on Ebay in the next few days, again starting at $1 with no reserve. We will see if tonight's prices were just a fluke of if they will be maintained as such over time. Thanks goes out to all of you that bid those up and to those of you who purchased. Steve Arnold of "Meteorite Men" *************** In a message dated 8/5/2009 9:06:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, MeteorHntr at aol.com writes: Hello List, I have been asked to document what Admire Pallasite material is actually worth. Some say under $0.10/g; others say $1.00/g; while still others say $10.00/g and there are buyers that seem to be happy to pay over $50/g in places. But, all those numbers are just guesses. Since so little of Admire has made it onto the retail market in the last 15 years, it is hard to determine what the true fair market value would be nowadays. So I figured the best way to find out would be to start some at $1 on Ebay with no reserve, and see where they end at. I don't want to put up too much up on Ebay all closing on one night, so I am starting the test with 8 various sized pieces in this first Ebay batch from 1.9 grams up to over 2.4 kg. Depending on how these in the first batch go, I will determine how much more I will put up later on Ebay. If some of you would like to see bigger pieces on Ebay, let me know off list. But whatever happens, I should be able to have a documented range of what the market values are for different sized pieces. There was a dilemma I was facing, on whether I wanted to spend my "one AD for the week" here at the start of the auctions, or wait until right before they all close on Saturday to put my one AD up here on the Meteorite List. Since I am doing this round for only a 3 day auction, I figured it would be best to go ahead and get the notice out here at the start so everyone has the time to check them out. Everyone is invited to admire the 8 Admire lots I have up on Ebay here: http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store Remember to bid high and bid often. And don't forget that the object of the game is to see how high you can bid the lots up without getting caught! ;-) Thanks for your consideration. Steve Arnold of "Meteorite Men" **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From schroer at bigpond.com Sun Aug 9 00:24:11 2009 From: schroer at bigpond.com (W&S Schroer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:54:11 +0930 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" Message-ID: <5A7B738BFC02444E91955B558DA6FDDF@WERNER> Hi list, even tough some of the statements are a bit far fetched I basically agree with Ben Bova's contribution. Yes, the world would look different today if the American people would have elected politicians with a vision and not - for instance - a second class actor playing first class a third class president. But the same applies to the country where I lived in those years, namely Germany. But why change a system that works fine for those on the bottom of the list of the poorest people in the world? We have seen what has happened to those who've tried to implement major changes to our society, the Kennedy brothers, M.L. King, M. Ghandi, the list goes on and on..... For decades the excuse was that the 'evil empire' called Soviet Union would kill us all if we don't stay on top of them by building more and more unimaginably destructive and costly weapons. And then a miracle happened and the iron curtain came down and most of us thought that finally there will be peace on this earth and mankind could do all the wonderful things Ben Bova mentioned in his posting. But no, it was not supposed to be. Suddenly, long before the horrible event now simply known as 9/11 happened, we were at war with Iraq, our soldiers were and still are dying in Afghanistan, and some years later, 9/11 was used to justify the killing of hundreds of thousand of innocent people who had nothing to do with the attack but were unfortunate enough to be sitting on one of the richest oil reserves in the world. The former 'evil empire' was replaced with the' axis of evil' and now we are apparently threatened by several smaller countries, one of them belonging to the top of the list I mentioned earlier. So why should our governments change the way they spend our money? It seems nothing has changed and we still need to be on top of not only Russia but now on top of the 'axis of evil' as well if we want to survive in this world. We are allowing governments to spend a huge slice of their GDPs on funding the so called 'Defence Departements' because we all want to be safe and we therefore can see a need for the huge costs involved. And because a Dollar is only a Dollar and cannot be stretched into two, science in general has to pay the price. And as long a high percentage of our society still believes in Astrology, in Occultism and countless other equally unproven nonsense, and as long there is not enough pressure from the voters, there will be no change in any government's policies. Many years ago, long before the arrival of the internet, I spend a warm night on a blanket with a new girlfriend somewhere in the desert in Outback Australia. After seen the stars once or twice we turned over and actually looked at them and when I tried to explain to my new-found love that practically all those countless stars out there are suns like the one that brightens up our skies on a regular basis, she told me that I was nuts because that was the dumbest thing she'd ever heard. Needless to say that this night turned out to be a one-night stand. It's up to us to change this world by voting for people with vision and new ideas. We shouldn't allow NASA to spend billions on the seemingly obvious next big thing, that is putting man on mars. Haven't we learned anything at all? There is no vision behind a plan like that. We should take one step after the other and spend our money on projects that generate an income so that private industries become involved too. Like many others I already own a tiny piece of Mars, so there is no need at this stage for anybody to go out there and return with a few more rocks, robots can do that much cheaper and more efficient. I hope the Obama administration will come up with a plan once this financial mess is behind us. And maybe, just maybe, we eventually will spend the necessary Dollars on trying to find those large rocks out there that will put an end to everything, because it's not a question of if, but a question of when they come and when they will come it doesn't matter where you are on the scale of the poorest people in the world. Cheers Werner Schroer From schroer at bigpond.com Sun Aug 9 03:01:44 2009 From: schroer at bigpond.com (W&S Schroer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:31:44 +0930 Subject: [meteorite-list] clarification Message-ID: Hi list, I had no intentions to offend anyone by voicing my opinion about American presidents and I thought I made it clear that I was not talking about any particular government when I wrote about 'our' governments in general. I know we should stay away from politics on the list but it is hard to avoid political statements when one wants to talk about the lack of funding to science in general and I think that's what the subject was all about in the original posting. Again, my response was to Darren Garrison's posting where he listed a statement by Ben Bova who in turn made some highly political statements. So I say sorry to anyone who feels offended by my posting. Being a newcomer to the list I'm still trying to learn the tricks of the trade and since English is my second language only I might not find the correct expressions sometimes and the meaning of what I'm trying to say gets slightly distorted.. Werner Schroer From mlblood at cox.net Sun Aug 9 04:25:42 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 01:25:42 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Darren, I could not agree more. This is an excellent example of two or Three factors (at least). 1) Senators, Congress and the Executive branches of government a. Do NOT understand economics worth a damn. b. Are more often than not following ONLY the "first rule" Of elected office: get yourself re-elected. c. Senators and Congress persons, when not exclusively following #b above are concentrated on ONLY THEIR STATE and not the well being of the country. d. In addition to the above, most are also obsessed with gaining personal wealth and power. 2) The American people are equally or more so ignorant of economics And are blind to the influence that 12 or so years of the moon race Yielded for this country - and not just the "conveniences" but a PROFOUND Influence on our economy. 3) Politicians - particularly those who occupy the seat of the President, Tend to look almost exclusively at the next 4 years - or 8 if they are a "visionary" (or confident in being re elected) and do not want to "rock the Boat" by shattering the ignorance of their colleagues and definitely not Of their voters. We saw it when Clinton settled for "Don't ask, don't tell" and for "only" half the old forest being logged. Now, when we need an 80 t0 90% shift to renewable power and the economic stimulus & job creation that would implement it instead we get a limp wristed, "20% shift in the next 10 years!" That is like trying to put out a forest fire by getting everyone to join the fire department and piss on the fire. We saw it with nearly every president we have ever had. Kennedy Was bold and led where we NEEDED to go - not where we thought we Wanted to go. Teddy Roosevelt nearly single handedly established ALL The national parks - AND created a country (Panama) and built the Panama Canal (not that I condone Imperialism - but it was insane for Reagan to "give the canal back.") Harry Truman personally wrote a ton of letters responding to average Americans who wrote him - and used stamps he bought, himself to post them. He met with people in power who "demanded" things be done that were not in the overall interest of the country and told them to go to hell - of course, that was a primary reason he was not re-elected. After office, he refused to take numerous very high paying positions offered him, stating, "You don't want me. You want an American President, and the Presidency is not for sale!" I wonder if we will ever see that kind of integrity ever again. I wouldn't hold my breath on a meaningful space program. The "people" are too ignorant to call for it and the "leadership" is lacking In leadership. Too bad. Best wishes, Michael On 8/8/09 6:40 PM, "Darren Garrison" wrote: > And look at what we?ve gotten back for that investment! Home computers, > satellite TV and weather observation, GPS systems, new fabrics and metal > alloys, > medical scanners, microminiaturized electronics that we use in everything from > cell phones to heart pacemakers. > > Space technology has pumped trillions of dollars into the American economy, > made > millions of new jobs. Space is the greatest bargain the American taxpayer has > had since the Louisiana Purchase. From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sun Aug 9 07:45:55 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:45:55 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Blue Book Message-ID: <002001ca18e6$f4f45b40$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Hello list, only a short note, because here and there members ask for the Blue Book and because it might end below the usual rates of the antiquarian booksellers. Within my clean-out sales, I set up for sale also my personal copy of Bevan, Graham, Hutchison's: Catalogue of Meteorites - the 1985er edition. Has a Haag-stamp too. Currently at 21$. Just contact me privately, if you want to bid. as well if you're interested in one of the other lots. The first ones are gone already, mixed results, some at real bargain prices. And maybe there are some lots interesting also for the new and hungry dealers, e.g. combos of diverse micros, good for retailing piece by piece on ebay, or something like some unprepared slices of names (Polujamki 300g for instance, cause I saw that now all Polujamki seems to have gone on the dealers pages). The lots you'll find here (first 22 are already sold) http://www.jgr-apolda.eu/index.php?topic=4139.0 Well names, data and weights, you're be able to recognize without knowing German. Pictures are visible only, if logged in - so just give me a hint and I will email you the respective photos or if you need further details and information. Permanently more will be added and it's a kind of Anti-Ebay. No last-second-bidder-battles, but all civilized and comfy. Prizes in the from time to time actualized bid-lists are in Euro. 1 Euro = 1.42$ Have a fine Sunday! Martin From almitt at kconline.com Sun Aug 9 08:29:23 2009 From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitt) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 08:29:23 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" In-Reply-To: <5A7B738BFC02444E91955B558DA6FDDF@WERNER> References: <5A7B738BFC02444E91955B558DA6FDDF@WERNER> Message-ID: <328270CD02204DBBB2ECA924A51EB097@StarmanPC> Greetings to all, The last few posts are dealing with politics. It has no place on this forum. Regardless of how or what you believe and how things should be, lets talk about meteorites and keep things that are not related to the subject, and are going to lead to some more infighting. I understand that politics can influence certains aspects of our hobby but things can be handled better than cheap swipes at people that were or are in office. There are plenty of places to go on the internet if you want to talk about those subjects. Take it away from here. --AL Mitterling From pshugar at clearwire.net Sun Aug 9 10:23:08 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:23:08 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] follow up on Kem Kem Message-ID: <77F0DA6B43614679B480992F569D295B@laptop> Hello www.planetbrey.com still has some Kem Kem for sale that is the same as what I have. Check the left side about half way down. Pete From pshugar at clearwire.net Sun Aug 9 10:14:19 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:14:19 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] re Kem Kem Message-ID: Hello, I don't mean to stir up a hornet's net ---- but........... I was told, by who I don't remember, that Kem Kem was a generic name for what we now know as NWA. I have a 3.56 gm part slice of Kem Kem and it is a H5 from Dahara, Morocco. It was found in August of 1999. My piece came from Planetbrey Meteorites. It has a dark matrix with lots of small metal flakes and a brown fusion crust that has white soil on one end. This doesn't sound like what you guys are talking about. I doubt this is a fake. This is real meteorite material. Any help here???? Pete IMCA 1733 From countdeiro at earthlink.net Sun Aug 9 10:33:02 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 07:33:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" Message-ID: <27578785.1249828382309.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Salva List! I can only imagine the immediate "carpet bombing" Werner got after posting his political musings. I almost toggled on him myself, but his immediate "recalibration" of the remarks made it unnecessary and Al's "take it away from here" post says it all.... Count Deiro -----Original Message----- >From: al mitt >Sent: Aug 9, 2009 5:29 AM >To: Meteorite List >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" > >Greetings to all, > >The last few posts are dealing with politics. It has no place on this forum. >Regardless of how or what you believe and how things should be, lets talk >about meteorites and keep things that are not related to the subject, and >are going to lead to some more infighting. > >I understand that politics can influence certains aspects of our hobby but >things can be handled better than cheap swipes at people that were or are in >office. > >There are plenty of places to go on the internet if you want to talk about >those subjects. Take it away from here. > >--AL Mitterling > > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 11:35:33 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 08:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] oriented stones/ or any oriented buttons Message-ID: <61416.92336.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list.Of all the people who saw my new tattoo,thanks for comments. I am looking for any stone or iron meteorite oriented pieces plus buttons.I am willing to trade my 1.2 kilo jalu for some great piece.Please off list! ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From paul at meteorite.com Sun Aug 9 11:51:41 2009 From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 08:51:41 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-Times August Issue Now Up Message-ID: <4A7EF08D.1090006@meteorite.com> Hello Everyone, The August issue of Meteorite-Times is now up. A Very Big Thank You to all the writers for taking up their Summer free time to contribute. http://www.meteorite-times.com/ Enjoy! Paul and Jim From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 11:53:31 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:53:31 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" In-Reply-To: <328270CD02204DBBB2ECA924A51EB097@StarmanPC> References: <5A7B738BFC02444E91955B558DA6FDDF@WERNER> <328270CD02204DBBB2ECA924A51EB097@StarmanPC> Message-ID: My email filters automatically remove anything with politics or religion. (not kidding, I have them set up that way) If a particular list member keeps testing my filters, they get their very own filter and then they disappear as well. Filters rock. On 8/9/09, al mitt wrote: > Greetings to all, > > The last few posts are dealing with politics. It has no place on this forum. > Regardless of how or what you believe and how things should be, lets talk > about meteorites and keep things that are not related to the subject, and > are going to lead to some more infighting. > > I understand that politics can influence certains aspects of our hobby but > things can be handled better than cheap swipes at people that were or are in > office. > > There are plenty of places to go on the internet if you want to talk about > those subjects. Take it away from here. > > --AL Mitterling > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From drtanuki at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 12:46:22 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] re Kem Kem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <647421.42610.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Pete, Michael Casper sold several kilos (perhaps hundreds) as Kem Kem or Ken Ken. I have two very large masses and went to the site of find in 1998 or so. Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Pete Shugar wrote: > From: Pete Shugar > Subject: [meteorite-list] re Kem Kem > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:14 PM > Hello, > I don't mean to stir up a hornet's net ---- but........... > I was told, by who I don't remember, that Kem Kem > was a generic name for what we now know as NWA. > I have a 3.56 gm part slice of Kem Kem and it is a H5 > from Dahara, Morocco. It was found in August of 1999. > My piece came from Planetbrey Meteorites. > It has a dark matrix with lots of small metal flakes and a > brown fusion crust that has white soil on one end. > This doesn't sound like what you guys are talking about. > I doubt this is a fake. This is real meteorite material. > Any help here???? > Pete IMCA 1733 > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From nuuska at dlc.fi Sun Aug 9 12:56:28 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:56:28 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] re Kem Kem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7EFFBC.4030109@dlc.fi> Think too, "Kem Kem" was used as a pseudonyme for several metorites before NWA-time. best, pekka s From archive; http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com/msg63276.html Pete Shugar kirjoitti: > Hello, > I don't mean to stir up a hornet's net ---- but........... > I was told, by who I don't remember, that Kem Kem > was a generic name for what we now know as NWA. > I have a 3.56 gm part slice of Kem Kem and it is a H5 > from Dahara, Morocco. It was found in August of 1999. > My piece came from Planetbrey Meteorites. > It has a dark matrix with lots of small metal flakes and a brown > fusion crust that has white soil on one end. > This doesn't sound like what you guys are talking about. > I doubt this is a fake. This is real meteorite material. > Any help here???? > Pete IMCA 1733 > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.48/2292 - Release Date: 08/09/09 08:08:00 > > -- Pekka Savolainen Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Rasala FINLAND member of IMCA #5776 www.imca.cc From epgrondine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 13:08:23 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] The need to find impactors before they hit Message-ID: <308830.20952.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all - In response to Darren's post of the Bova piece, I am not going to get political, nor historical, nor talk about launch costs or other technical issues. But what I must mention is that adequate detection of the most dangerous impactors - and here I mean specifically both Long Period Comets and small dead comet fragments, is going to require the use of space based assets. In other words, you have to find them before you can divert or destroy them. This is a real problem, not an imaginary one, and further a real problem that is unavoidable. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sun Aug 9 13:21:51 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 09 Aug 2009 17:21:51 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Ice Age Impact Message-ID: Hello Folks, Sky & Tel, Sep 2009, pp. 20-25, Ice Age Impact: Did a comet wipe out early North Americans and the huge beasts they hunted? (by Ivan Semeniuk) If you don't have a S & T subscription but are interested in finding out what may have happened about 13,000 years ago, you should soon get your copy on your newsstand: - So says Shakespeare's Macbeth - Demise of the megbeasts - Where's the crater? - Will diamonds tell the tale? In Ivan Semeniuk's article you'll meet and listen to scientists and meteoriticists whose names most of us are familiar with: Allen West, James Kennett, Mark Boslough, Ted Bunch, Clark Chapman and you'll read about the Columbian mammoth, about saber-toothed cats, about the Clovis people, about a possible smoking gun (the so-called "dark mat", a dark layer in sedimentary rock in Murray Springs, Arizona), about elevated iridium levels, fullerene molecules, hexagonal nanodiamonds, and much more. I really enjoyed that article and it is definitely a must-read! Cheers from Germany, Bernd From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 13:36:27 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:36:27 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] The need to find impactors before they hit In-Reply-To: <308830.20952.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <308830.20952.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi E.P. and List, I agree 100% here. Right now, as a species, all of our proverbial eggs are in one delicate basket. We are extremely vulnerable to extinction-level impacts. We should stop wasting money warring with each other, unite as a species, and spread ourselves out amongst the stars. Until that time comes, we are essentially playing a big game of cosmic chicken with potential impactors....and asteroids don't blink. ;) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/9/09, E.P. Grondine wrote: > > Hi all - > > In response to Darren's post of the Bova piece, I am not going to get > political, nor historical, nor talk about launch costs or other technical > issues. > > But what I must mention is that adequate detection of the most dangerous > impactors - and here I mean specifically both Long Period Comets and small > dead comet fragments, is going to require the use of space based assets. In > other words, you have to find them before you can divert or destroy them. > > This is a real problem, not an imaginary one, and further a real problem > that is unavoidable. > > E.P. Grondine > Man and Impact in the Americas > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From pshugar at clearwire.net Sun Aug 9 13:55:20 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:55:20 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Message-ID: There must be a way to see your own posts. Back when I first got on the list, I could do it, but now it's a thing of the past---or---I forgot how I did it. People have told meto go to the preferences page and I can do it from there. Been there and done that. I need specifics please----I can't figure it out. Pete IMCA 1733 From damoclid at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 14:13:31 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] The need to find impactors before they hit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <163507.44061.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We're rapidly closing in on the goal of the original Spaceguard, detecting 90% of NEOs 1-km and larger, if we have not already achieved that goal... We have found NO civilization ending, or mass extinction capable impactors and the chances of finding one are rapidly diminishing. That's not to say we won't find one, just that is is becoming more unlikely. A proposed space based NEO survey is NEO-VIS http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006DPS....38.4507R but it has not received much attention, much less any real funding due to cost and budget constraints. "Dead" comets will continue to be found during the normal operations of the Catalina Sky Survey, and its sister survey LINEAR. We are the only two programs left in operation worldwide. We have zero capability to deal with a Long Period comet if one is found to be an impactor, now and well into the foreseeable future, so the question becomes, do you need several years to make peace with your god or are a couple of years sufficient? -- Richard Kowalski From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 15:31:10 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay items - Last slice of NWA 5799 Message-ID: <866420.47022.qm@web46416.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi to all, I have alot of nice meteorites on ebay - including the very last slice of the LL4 meteorite NWA 5799. I will not offer anymore of this for sale as I will only have the 191 gram main mass left. You can see what I have for sale here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 Hope everyone has a good day, thanks for looking. Greg C. PS. I will be in Florida (taking the kids to Disney) until the 15th, so There may be a delay in mailing items. From cdtucson at cox.net Sun Aug 9 16:05:51 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:05:51 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics Message-ID: <20090809160551.X29DT.25318.imail@fed1rmwml40> Enjoy. http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax From pshugar at clearwire.net Sun Aug 9 19:55:56 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:55:56 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Test Message-ID: <8A29D0EAC8A74702852C9CC1DC1E39F7@laptop> Please delete From mike at meteoriteguy.com Sun Aug 9 19:52:30 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics In-Reply-To: <20090809160551.X29DT.25318.imail@fed1rmwml40> Message-ID: <60680.70249.qm@web1110.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Carl, This is a meteorite list. Why do you keep posting this unrelated crap? Anyone who wants to see such things can go to youtube any day of the week and find them. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with meteorites. Michael Farmer --- On Sun, 8/9/09, cdtucson at cox.net wrote: > From: cdtucson at cox.net > Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics > To: "meteoritelist" > Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 2:05 PM > Enjoy. > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mike at meteoriteguy.com Sun Aug 9 19:54:53 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] TEST Message-ID: <30511.33809.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> TEST From mike at meteoriteguy.com Sun Aug 9 20:49:39 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Wesbsite update, Ash Creek adventure page Message-ID: <272623.51986.qm@web1104.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/adventures.htm Hi everyone, after years of neglecting my adventure pge, I have finally started to update it. First new page is Ash Creek (West) fall. Please take a look and let me know if there are any mistakes or problems with the page. I plan to post more adventures as I can get them done. Michael Farmer From mike.hankey at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 20:45:50 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 20:45:50 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics In-Reply-To: <20090809160551.X29DT.25318.imail@fed1rmwml40> References: <20090809160551.X29DT.25318.imail@fed1rmwml40> Message-ID: wow, that is really incredible. thanks for posting this. i would have never looked on youtube for pictures like this and I appreciate the cross over. amazing pictures. On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, wrote: > Enjoy. > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com Sun Aug 9 20:48:53 2009 From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 20:48:53 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] impactacite question. Message-ID: Hi List, About a year ago I posted the list for some of you to view an interesting breccia I had found. Several people took a look at my photos and agreed the stuff was quite interesting but no conclusions were drawn. Does any one want to look at some pics and tell me if this material is a possible impactacite and, who I could send a sample to? A year ago I had found only two stones and no more. Since then the state has started a highway widening project fronting my land and they are moving a couple million cubic yards out of a hill side and spreading in on low spots (some on my land). This has opened up acres of pool table smooth fresh digs to look over. (While dodging the earth moving equipment!) I have found many more samples. I am wondering if it is worth the effort to look for more. About 14 thousand years ago Lake Bonneville drained through the valley here and deposited quite a variety of materials all the way from Utah. This breccia is found down low in the valley and I can not find any on the exposed canyon walls or up on the shelf. This leads me to think it was deposited in the Great Bonneville Wash Out. I know this sounds crazy, but have there been any theories of Lake Bonneville (The Great Salt Lake) having an impact origin??? Email me to view a few pics and share your opinion. Thanks, Tom Phillips **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From mike at meteoriteguy.com Sun Aug 9 21:25:20 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ash creek page corrected Message-ID: <354103.36111.qm@web1113.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I have fixed the link on the name, and embedded the you tube video, let me know if there are any other problems. thanks Michael Farmer From bencubbin at hotmail.com Sun Aug 9 21:43:32 2009 From: bencubbin at hotmail.com (Howard Steffic) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:43:32 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics In-Reply-To: <60680.70249.qm@web1110.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <20090809160551.X29DT.25318.imail@fed1rmwml40> <60680.70249.qm@web1110.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Why isn't Al Mitterling complaining about this off-topic BS like he was with the NASA dicussion yesterday? Could it be that he was really just offended by the reminder of the right-wing republican policies that put an end to trips to the moon and beyond? I do remember that Bush suggested going to Mars but that was just a ploy to get people to talk about sometning other than his failed domestic and foreign policies. Dave Chapelle had a great skit about it. Maybe it would make a good youtube watch if it is there. Howard Steffic > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:52:30 -0700 > From: mike at meteoriteguy.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; cdtucson at cox.net > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics > > > Carl, > This is a meteorite list. Why do you keep posting this unrelated crap? > Anyone who wants to see such things can go to youtube any day of the week and find them. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with meteorites. > > Michael Farmer > > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, cdtucson at cox.net wrote: > >> From: cdtucson at cox.net >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics >> To: "meteoritelist" >> Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 2:05 PM >> Enjoy. >> http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm >> -- >> Carl or Debbie Esparza >> IMCA 5829 >> Meteoritemax >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 9 22:11:17 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 21:11:17 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] finding post by Author on list Message-ID: <173EC6723D4847ECB719A583FCB2C94C@user6e6e286533> Pete, I went to the website, see here is the link. You click, for example, August 2009 Archives by author. When you click "Author" it will bring up all the names for which month you select. I don't know any easier way but to scroll down until you find your name. Here are some of yours for August. Take it easy, Brian a.. [meteorite-list] What is this? Pete Shugar a.. [meteorite-list] Re make your own Meteorite Pete Shugar a.. [meteorite-list] Alaskan Egg Meteorite Pete Shugar a.. [meteorite-list] re Kem Kem Pete Shugar a.. [meteorite-list] follow up on Kem Kem Pete Shugar a.. [meteorite-list] Question Pete Shugar a.. [meteorite-list] Test Pete Shugar The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 9 23:02:45 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:02:45 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites Message-ID: Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey just now in this auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! Brian IMCA # 6387 searchingforfun is my ebay User ID From mike.hankey at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 23:09:41 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:09:41 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] 3D Model of Mason Dixon Meteor Message-ID: With his permission I have published Rob Matson's 3D model of the Mason Dixon Meteor. Rob agreed that sharing the information would greatly increase the chances of meteorite recovery. I have posted the coordinates on my site along with a Google Earth movie that illustrates the model. http://www.mikesastrophotos.com http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/3d-model-of-mason-dixon-meteor/ I want to say thank you to Rob and all of the people that helped Rob come up with this model. I will be posting more detailed maps, road information and search areas in the next few days. Thanks, Mike From drtanuki at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 00:52:44 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 21:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA Message-ID: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Brian and List, Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s catalogue lists: 22.4g @ $44.80; 26.9g@ $53.80 31.5g@ $63.00 33.5g@ $67.00 41.0g@ $82.00 46.8g@ $93.60 53.2g@ $106.40 58.6g@ $117.20 67.4g@ $134.80 70.0g@ $140.00 83.1g@ $166.20 114.9g@ $229.80 153.6g@ $307.20 In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also missed the Great Habibi! When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are searchingforfun. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: > From: Brian Cox > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM > Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem > Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey > meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that > was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from > our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members > for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. > > I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey > just now in this auction. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 > > Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! > > Brian > > IMCA # 6387 > > searchingforfun is my > ebay User ID > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 10 01:06:19 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:06:19 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites Message-ID: <07CA4320F5604E1D9054E45704090747@user6e6e286533> Dirk, Why are you so angry? Your use of CAPS in INCORRECTLY and rambling on about hippies and food and Berber shave and Burma shave and all kinds of things that sound like you're high or drunk. Are you made at me about something or what has gotten into you? Is it because I asked your opinion on something or that I didn't buy any meteorites from you after asking you if you had certain specimens? I think it's inappropriate that you sent this to the list and went on and on about it. If you were clear headed you would have been able to tell that I wrote in the paragraph I sent that I was 'told' this information and NOT that it was my personal opinion, and I will print it here again: "I was 'told' from our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites." I did NOT state this was my view, nor did I state that this was the gospel from me. I stated, again, "That I was told by others on the list, and IMCA members and if you had been reading the posts you would have read those." Everyone has said Kem Kem was a generic name and it seems to have DUG up a lot of old painful memories for you and you seem to be spewing them out here in anger at me. Please calm down and relax and read it again later today or in the evening when you can understand it better without jumping down my throat. There is something more than just my quote here that is angering you and I can't help you with that. Regards and all the best to you. Brian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "drtanuki" > To: "Brian Cox" ; <"meteorite- > list"@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before > NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > > > > Dear Brian and List, > Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. > Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find > out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. Classification > pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s catalogue lists: > 22.4g @ $44.80; > 26.9g@ $53.80 > 31.5g@ $63.00 > 33.5g@ $67.00 > 41.0g@ $82.00 > 46.8g@ $93.60 > 53.2g@ $106.40 > 58.6g@ $117.20 > 67.4g@ $134.80 > 70.0g@ $140.00 > 83.1g@ $166.20 > 114.9g@ $229.80 > 153.6g@ $307.20 > > In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, > which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites of > NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. > > So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY > calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. > > I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at > Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary > alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for > the huge festival and arrested development. > The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean Bessey > in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to Bessey > Specks perhaps not? > > Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad German > or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also missed the > Great Habibi! > > When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, mutton > or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. > > At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met > Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet > on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. > > Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are > searchingforfun. > > Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: > >> From: Brian Cox >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >> >> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >> just now in this auction. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >> >> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >> >> Brian >> >> IMCA # 6387 >> >> searchingforfun is my >> ebay User ID >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > From meteoritekid at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 01:02:51 2009 From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:02:51 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA In-Reply-To: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <93aaac890908092202u241fbae3i64c188acf6d61e57@mail.gmail.com> Dirk, Brian, All, This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, Casper sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name around that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number of similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, where not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition). And while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, this, I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain. I never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed. Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper. I might only call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that applies to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites. Single name, unknown number of meteorites. I don't know if it quite fits the definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far off. Regards, Jason On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote: > > Dear Brian and List, > ?Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. > ?Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". ?Casper`s catalogue lists: > 22.4g @ $44.80; > 26.9g@ $53.80 > 31.5g@ $63.00 > 33.5g@ $67.00 > 41.0g@ $82.00 > 46.8g@ $93.60 > 53.2g@ $106.40 > 58.6g@ $117.20 > 67.4g@ $134.80 > 70.0g@ $140.00 > 83.1g@ $166.20 > 114.9g@ $229.80 > 153.6g@ $307.20 > > In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, which I purchased. ?Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. > > ?So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. > > ?I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. > The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? > > Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also missed the Great Habibi! > > When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. > > ?At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met Idir et Kem-Kem! ?Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. > > ?Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are searchingforfun. > > ?Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: > >> From: Brian Cox >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >> >> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >> just now ?in this auction. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 > > >> >> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >> >> Brian >> >> IMCA # 6387 >> >> searchingforfun ? ? ? ? is my >> ebay User ID >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 10 01:32:51 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:32:51 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA Message-ID: <745F3A9688B74DDC91BD1479C96093B7@user6e6e286533> Hello Jason, Thank you very much for mentioning the information that you are aware of. I didn't mean to be angry at Dirk, but I kind of felt I was being attacked when all I was trying to do was to add to the discussion of Kem Kem and I have learned a great deal about it over the past few days. I really appreciate you taking the time to email me and give me information on it and many other members also wrote from the Met. List and the IMCA that they felt Kem Kem was, as in my words, and I am Honestly, Very Sorry Dirk or anyone that I used the word "generic" when that may not have been exactly the correct word, but as you put it, generic isn't far off. I just couldn't think of a better word at the moment I was writing. Thanks again, and all the best to you and yours. Brian From fcressy at prodigy.net Mon Aug 10 01:31:21 2009 From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Website update, Ash Creek adventure page Message-ID: <826003.61609.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Mike for adding "Ash Creek" to your adventure page. It's a lot of work on your part and I certainly appreciate it. Looking forward to seeing more. Cheers, Frank --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Michael Farmer wrote: From: Michael Farmer Subject: [meteorite-list] Wesbsite update, Ash Creek adventure page To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 5:49 PM http://www.meteoriteguy.com/adventures.htm Hi everyone, after years of neglecting my adventure pge, I have finally started to update it. First new page is Ash Creek (West) fall. Please take a look and let me know if there are any mistakes or problems with the page. I plan to post more adventures as I can get them done. Michael Farmer ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From leighannedelray at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 01:34:26 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:34:26 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Signed Krinov book has hit its reserve. YAY!! Message-ID: <5e97e2850908092234q6daf03c8maef5592745ba17ac@mail.gmail.com> Hi list, Just wanted everyone to know that the Signed Krinov book has now met its reserve. It actually met its reserve in only the first few hours it was up! YAY! Just thought I would let you know. Here is the page if you hadn't seen it yet: http://cgi.ebay.com/E-L-Krinov-Sikhote-Alin-Meteorite-Shower-Book-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ250478936618QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiquarian_Collectible?hash=item3a51b5422a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Have a good night. Leigh Anne DelRay From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com Mon Aug 10 01:42:38 2009 From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:42:38 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites References: <07CA4320F5604E1D9054E45704090747@user6e6e286533> Message-ID: <004E897718044FF4AC156630E681FEA2@windows9bb74fe> I will opine that Kem Kem did have a bit of the catchall going for it but it did not precede NWA numbering The SA or Sahara numbers were first Other catchalls may include Oum Rokba (NWA400), NWA 869, Franconia, Dho 020 And let's slip in an ad...NWA 001 available here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280383448019 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog ------------------ We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cox" To: ; "drtanuki" Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > > > > Dirk, > > Why are you so angry? Your use of CAPS in INCORRECTLY and rambling on > about > hippies and food and Berber shave and Burma shave and all kinds of things > that sound like you're high or drunk. Are you made at me about something > or > what has gotten into you? Is it because I asked your opinion on something > or > that I didn't buy any meteorites from you after asking you if you had > certain specimens? > > I think it's inappropriate that you sent this to the list and went on and > on > about it. If you were clear headed you would have been able to tell that I > wrote in the paragraph I sent that I was 'told' this information and NOT > that it was my personal opinion, and I will print it here again: > > "I was 'told' from our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA > members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites." > > I did NOT state this was my view, nor did I state that this was the gospel > from me. I stated, again, "That I was told by others on the list, and IMCA > members and if you had been reading the posts you would have read those." > Everyone has said Kem Kem was a generic name and it seems to have DUG up a > lot of old painful memories for you and you seem to be spewing them out > here > in anger at me. > > Please calm down and relax and read it again later today or in the evening > when you can understand it better without jumping down my throat. > > There is something more than just my quote here that is angering you and I > can't help you with that. > > Regards and all the best to you. > > Brian > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "drtanuki" >> To: "Brian Cox" ; <"meteorite- >> list"@meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >> >> >> >> Dear Brian and List, >> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find >> out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. >> Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s catalogue >> lists: >> 22.4g @ $44.80; >> 26.9g@ $53.80 >> 31.5g@ $63.00 >> 33.5g@ $67.00 >> 41.0g@ $82.00 >> 46.8g@ $93.60 >> 53.2g@ $106.40 >> 58.6g@ $117.20 >> 67.4g@ $134.80 >> 70.0g@ $140.00 >> 83.1g@ $166.20 >> 114.9g@ $229.80 >> 153.6g@ $307.20 >> >> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, >> which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites of >> NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. >> >> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY >> calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >> >> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at >> Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary >> alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for >> the huge festival and arrested development. >> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean Bessey >> in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to Bessey >> Specks perhaps not? >> >> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad >> German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also >> missed the Great Habibi! >> >> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, >> mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >> >> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met >> Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet >> on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. >> >> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >> searchingforfun. >> >> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >> >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: >> >>> From: Brian Cox >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>> >>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>> just now in this auction. >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>> >>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> IMCA # 6387 >>> >>> searchingforfun is my >>> ebay User ID >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 10 01:49:20 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:49:20 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites References: <07CA4320F5604E1D9054E45704090747@user6e6e286533> <004E897718044FF4AC156630E681FEA2@windows9bb74fe> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Thanks for opining. I was honestly just writing what I was told by several others and did not mean to get into an argument with Dirk, but felt that at this late hour of 12:45am, that I felt Dirk was angry and I apologize to him if I came across as angry or defensive and I will include him in this email to you Rob. Thanks again, Brian Take it easy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Wesel" To: "Brian Cox" ; ; "drtanuki" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs,Northwest African meteorites >I will opine that Kem Kem did have a bit of the catchall going for it but >it did not precede NWA numbering > > The SA or Sahara numbers were first > > Other catchalls may include Oum Rokba (NWA400), NWA 869, Franconia, Dho > 020 > > And let's slip in an ad...NWA 001 available here > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280383448019 > > Rob Wesel > www.nakhladogmeteorites.com > www.facebook.com/nakhladog > ------------------ > We are the music makers... > and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > Willy Wonka, 1971 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Cox" > To: ; "drtanuki" > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:06 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before > NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > >> >> >> >> >> Dirk, >> >> Why are you so angry? Your use of CAPS in INCORRECTLY and rambling on >> about >> hippies and food and Berber shave and Burma shave and all kinds of things >> that sound like you're high or drunk. Are you made at me about something >> or >> what has gotten into you? Is it because I asked your opinion on something >> or >> that I didn't buy any meteorites from you after asking you if you had >> certain specimens? >> >> I think it's inappropriate that you sent this to the list and went on and >> on >> about it. If you were clear headed you would have been able to tell that >> I >> wrote in the paragraph I sent that I was 'told' this information and NOT >> that it was my personal opinion, and I will print it here again: >> >> "I was 'told' from our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA >> members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites." >> >> I did NOT state this was my view, nor did I state that this was the >> gospel >> from me. I stated, again, "That I was told by others on the list, and >> IMCA >> members and if you had been reading the posts you would have read those." >> Everyone has said Kem Kem was a generic name and it seems to have DUG up >> a >> lot of old painful memories for you and you seem to be spewing them out >> here >> in anger at me. >> >> Please calm down and relax and read it again later today or in the >> evening >> when you can understand it better without jumping down my throat. >> >> There is something more than just my quote here that is angering you and >> I >> can't help you with that. >> >> Regards and all the best to you. >> >> Brian >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "drtanuki" >>> To: "Brian Cox" ; <"meteorite- >>> list"@meteoritecentral.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Brian and List, >>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find >>> out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. >>> Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s catalogue >>> lists: >>> 22.4g @ $44.80; >>> 26.9g@ $53.80 >>> 31.5g@ $63.00 >>> 33.5g@ $67.00 >>> 41.0g@ $82.00 >>> 46.8g@ $93.60 >>> 53.2g@ $106.40 >>> 58.6g@ $117.20 >>> 67.4g@ $134.80 >>> 70.0g@ $140.00 >>> 83.1g@ $166.20 >>> 114.9g@ $229.80 >>> 153.6g@ $307.20 >>> >>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, >>> which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites >>> of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. >>> >>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY >>> calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >>> >>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at >>> Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary >>> alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for >>> the huge festival and arrested development. >>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean >>> Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to >>> Bessey Specks perhaps not? >>> >>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad >>> German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also >>> missed the Great Habibi! >>> >>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, >>> mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >>> >>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met >>> Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet >>> on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. >>> >>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >>> searchingforfun. >>> >>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: >>> >>>> From: Brian Cox >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >>>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>>> >>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>>> just now in this auction. >>>> >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>>> >>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> IMCA # 6387 >>>> >>>> searchingforfun is my >>>> ebay User ID >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From drtanuki at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 02:21:56 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Website update, Ash Creek adventure page In-Reply-To: <826003.61609.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <836298.87537.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello Frank! and List, I also would like to thank Mike Farmer for taking the time to document the West (Ash Creek) story. Thank you Mike for showing how to be a true "meteorite hunter" and document a fall and finds and share the information in a timely fashion. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Frank Cressy wrote: > From: Frank Cressy > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Website update, Ash Creek adventure page > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Michael Farmer" > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 2:31 PM > > Thanks Mike for adding "Ash Creek" to your adventure > page.? It's a lot of work on your part and I certainly > appreciate it.? Looking forward to seeing more. > > Cheers, > > Frank > > > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Michael Farmer > wrote: > > > From: Michael Farmer > Subject: [meteorite-list] Wesbsite update, Ash Creek > adventure page > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 5:49 PM > > > > http://www.meteoriteguy.com/adventures.htm > > > Hi everyone, after years of neglecting my adventure pge, I > have finally started to update it. First new page is Ash > Creek (West) fall. > Please take a look and let me know if there are any > mistakes or problems with the page. > I plan to post more adventures as I can get them done. > > Michael Farmer > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mike at meteoriteguy.com Mon Aug 10 05:18:15 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] More adventures up, Puerto Lapice (La Mancha) Message-ID: <565256.34030.qm@web1108.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> http://meteoriteguy.com/adventures.htm I will be working hard over the next week to get more pages up and running, it takes time to locate the photos and information, so much easier had I done it immediately after returning home, but oh well, this work brings back a flood of fond memories about places far away. I can still taste the figs we stole off the tree in Spain, and the awesome wine we drank every night after hunting, to toast each days finds. Good times with good friends..... Anyone else with meteorite hunts should do the same, I would love to see more Ash Creek pages go up. Tomorrow I hope to get Moss, Norway and Berduc, Argentina back up. 2 am here, time for bed now. Please let me know if you find any errors that I can correct. I am proud of these adventures and want them to be accurate and free of error. Michael Farmer From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk Mon Aug 10 05:12:48 2009 From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:12:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD~~Park Forest dual litholgy slice, gujba, CV3, nice unclasifieds Message-ID: <16835389.84211249895568435.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> greetings listees some may be interested in some auctions ending within next few hours.Not the most auspicious timing on this lot of auctions on my part. park forest---lovely slice ,opening price $30 a gram,BIN $40 a gram http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320407804408 cv3 7.8 gram~~~there's a few more pieces also---very reasonable prices, steals actually http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320407829340 gujba 2.1 gram-currently at about $5 a gram---WO!gettin my butt kicked http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320407783671 560 gram unwa---nice crusted stone,worth more than the current bid fo sho http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320407855189 396 gram unwa fresh crust--this one ends next one---lovely fresh dark crust.Whats it worth?You decide--started for a dollah http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320410386503 see all my auctions here.Some Rumurutiites on the way and Howardite slices plus other nice unclassifieds and plenty of little cut nwa 869's started at a dollah.Also little piece of Agoult coming later and 2 pieces of the lovely nwa 801 CR2 http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/emeraldisleminerals Nice work on the Ash Creek hunt Mike Farmer.Made me think of all the stones laying there right now as I type this Good day everyone JB From info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar Mon Aug 10 06:38:30 2009 From: info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar (Eduardo) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:38:30 -0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi When buying Casper's inventory there were quite a few specimens marked Kem Kem, but also some single pieces marked Kem Kem # (where # were different numbers up to about 30), most of them cut by half. So my conclusion is that most of the specimens are the original Kem Kem, but when something looked different, it was named differently by Casper. As with all meteorite finds, looking the same does not mean to be the same, but unless you want to test every rock you have to live with this. They were found around the same time of the Saharas 99xxx. I can't be sure that all of them came actually from Kem Kem area, or were "transported" pre-NWA. Hope this clears up a little this matter. best regards Eduardo -----Original Message----- From: "Brian Cox" To: "Rob Wesel" Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:49:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > > Hi Rob, > > Thanks for opining. I was honestly just writing what I was told by > several > others and did not mean to get into an argument with Dirk, but felt > that at > this late hour of 12:45am, that I felt Dirk was angry and I apologize > to him > if I came across as angry or defensive and I will include him in this > email > to you Rob. > > Thanks again, > > Brian > > > > Take it easy! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Wesel" > To: "Brian Cox" ; > ; "drtanuki" > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:42 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > > >I will opine that Kem Kem did have a bit of the catchall going for it > but > >it did not precede NWA numbering > > > > The SA or Sahara numbers were first > > > > Other catchalls may include Oum Rokba (NWA400), NWA 869, Franconia, > Dho > > 020 > > > > And let's slip in an ad...NWA 001 available here > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280383448019 > > > > Rob Wesel > > www.nakhladogmeteorites.com > > www.facebook.com/nakhladog > > ------------------ > > We are the music makers... > > and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > > Willy Wonka, 1971 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Cox" > > To: ; "drtanuki" > > > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:06 PM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > > NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dirk, > >> > >> Why are you so angry? Your use of CAPS in INCORRECTLY and rambling > on > >> about > >> hippies and food and Berber shave and Burma shave and all kinds of > things > >> that sound like you're high or drunk. Are you made at me about > something > >> or > >> what has gotten into you? Is it because I asked your opinion on > something > >> or > >> that I didn't buy any meteorites from you after asking you if you > had > >> certain specimens? > >> > >> I think it's inappropriate that you sent this to the list and went > on and > >> on > >> about it. If you were clear headed you would have been able to tell > that > >> I > >> wrote in the paragraph I sent that I was 'told' this information and > NOT > >> that it was my personal opinion, and I will print it here again: > >> > >> "I was 'told' from our fellow history buffs on the list and other > IMCA > >> members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" > meteorites." > >> > >> I did NOT state this was my view, nor did I state that this was the > >> gospel > >> from me. I stated, again, "That I was told by others on the list, > and > >> IMCA > >> members and if you had been reading the posts you would have read > those." > >> Everyone has said Kem Kem was a generic name and it seems to have > DUG up > >> a > >> lot of old painful memories for you and you seem to be spewing them > out > >> here > >> in anger at me. > >> > >> Please calm down and relax and read it again later today or in the > >> evening > >> when you can understand it better without jumping down my throat. > >> > >> There is something more than just my quote here that is angering you > and > >> I > >> can't help you with that. > >> > >> Regards and all the best to you. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "drtanuki" > >>> To: "Brian Cox" ; <"meteorite- > >>> list"@meteoritecentral.com> > >>> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > >>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear Brian and List, > >>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. > >>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new > find > >>> out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. > >>> Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s > catalogue > >>> lists: > >>> 22.4g @ $44.80; > >>> 26.9g@ $53.80 > >>> 31.5g@ $63.00 > >>> 33.5g@ $67.00 > >>> 41.0g@ $82.00 > >>> 46.8g@ $93.60 > >>> 53.2g@ $106.40 > >>> 58.6g@ $117.20 > >>> 67.4g@ $134.80 > >>> 70.0g@ $140.00 > >>> 83.1g@ $166.20 > >>> 114.9g@ $229.80 > >>> 153.6g@ $307.20 > >>> > >>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece > photographed, > >>> which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the > meteorites > >>> of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. > >>> > >>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by > INCORRECTLY > >>> calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. > >>> > >>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and > at > >>> Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the > planetary > >>> alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads > for > >>> the huge festival and arrested development. > >>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean > >>> Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior > to > >>> Bessey Specks perhaps not? > >>> > >>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad > >>> German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. > Also > >>> missed the Great Habibi! > >>> > >>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, > >>> mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. > >>> > >>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir > met > >>> Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at > SunSet > >>> on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. > >>> > >>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are > >>> searchingforfun. > >>> > >>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox > wrote: > >>> > >>>> From: Brian Cox > >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > >>>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM > >>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem > >>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey > >>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that > >>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from > >>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members > >>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. > >>>> > >>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey > >>>> just now in this auction. > >>>> > >>>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H > 5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3 > ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! > >>>> > >>>> Brian > >>>> > >>>> IMCA # 6387 > >>>> > >>>> searchingforfun is my > >>>> ebay User ID > >>>> ______________________________________________ > >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar Mon Aug 10 06:48:32 2009 From: info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar (Eduardo) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:48:32 -0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites Message-ID: Hi When buying Casper's inventory there were quite a few specimens marked Kem Kem, but also some single pieces marked Kem Kem # (where # were different numbers up to about 30), most of them cut by half. So my conclusion is that most of the specimens are the original Kem Kem, but when something looked different, it was named differently by Casper. As with all meteorite finds, looking the same does not mean to be the same, but unless you want to test every rock you have to live with this. They were found around the same time of the Saharas 99xxx. I can't be sure that all of them came actually from Kem Kem area, or were "transported" pre-NWA. Hope this clears up a little this matter. best regards Eduardo -----Original Message----- From: "Brian Cox" To: "Rob Wesel" Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:49:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > > Hi Rob, > > Thanks for opining. I was honestly just writing what I was told by > several > others and did not mean to get into an argument with Dirk, but felt > that at > this late hour of 12:45am, that I felt Dirk was angry and I apologize > to him > if I came across as angry or defensive and I will include him in this > email > to you Rob. > > Thanks again, > > Brian > > > > Take it easy! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Wesel" > To: "Brian Cox" ; > ; "drtanuki" > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:42 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > > >I will opine that Kem Kem did have a bit of the catchall going for it > but > >it did not precede NWA numbering > > > > The SA or Sahara numbers were first > > > > Other catchalls may include Oum Rokba (NWA400), NWA 869, Franconia, > Dho > > 020 > > > > And let's slip in an ad...NWA 001 available here > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280383448019 > > > > Rob Wesel > > www.nakhladogmeteorites.com > > www.facebook.com/nakhladog > > ------------------ > > We are the music makers... > > and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > > Willy Wonka, 1971 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Cox" > > To: ; "drtanuki" > > > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:06 PM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > > NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dirk, > >> > >> Why are you so angry? Your use of CAPS in INCORRECTLY and rambling > on > >> about > >> hippies and food and Berber shave and Burma shave and all kinds of > things > >> that sound like you're high or drunk. Are you made at me about > something > >> or > >> what has gotten into you? Is it because I asked your opinion on > something > >> or > >> that I didn't buy any meteorites from you after asking you if you > had > >> certain specimens? > >> > >> I think it's inappropriate that you sent this to the list and went > on and > >> on > >> about it. If you were clear headed you would have been able to tell > that > >> I > >> wrote in the paragraph I sent that I was 'told' this information and > NOT > >> that it was my personal opinion, and I will print it here again: > >> > >> "I was 'told' from our fellow history buffs on the list and other > IMCA > >> members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" > meteorites." > >> > >> I did NOT state this was my view, nor did I state that this was the > >> gospel > >> from me. I stated, again, "That I was told by others on the list, > and > >> IMCA > >> members and if you had been reading the posts you would have read > those." > >> Everyone has said Kem Kem was a generic name and it seems to have > DUG up > >> a > >> lot of old painful memories for you and you seem to be spewing them > out > >> here > >> in anger at me. > >> > >> Please calm down and relax and read it again later today or in the > >> evening > >> when you can understand it better without jumping down my throat. > >> > >> There is something more than just my quote here that is angering you > and > >> I > >> can't help you with that. > >> > >> Regards and all the best to you. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "drtanuki" > >>> To: "Brian Cox" ; <"meteorite- > >>> list"@meteoritecentral.com> > >>> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > >>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear Brian and List, > >>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. > >>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new > find > >>> out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. > >>> Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s > catalogue > >>> lists: > >>> 22.4g @ $44.80; > >>> 26.9g@ $53.80 > >>> 31.5g@ $63.00 > >>> 33.5g@ $67.00 > >>> 41.0g@ $82.00 > >>> 46.8g@ $93.60 > >>> 53.2g@ $106.40 > >>> 58.6g@ $117.20 > >>> 67.4g@ $134.80 > >>> 70.0g@ $140.00 > >>> 83.1g@ $166.20 > >>> 114.9g@ $229.80 > >>> 153.6g@ $307.20 > >>> > >>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece > photographed, > >>> which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the > meteorites > >>> of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. > >>> > >>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by > INCORRECTLY > >>> calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. > >>> > >>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and > at > >>> Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the > planetary > >>> alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads > for > >>> the huge festival and arrested development. > >>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean > >>> Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior > to > >>> Bessey Specks perhaps not? > >>> > >>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad > >>> German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. > Also > >>> missed the Great Habibi! > >>> > >>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, > >>> mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. > >>> > >>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir > met > >>> Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at > SunSet > >>> on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. > >>> > >>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are > >>> searchingforfun. > >>> > >>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox > wrote: > >>> > >>>> From: Brian Cox > >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > >>>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM > >>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem > >>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey > >>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that > >>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from > >>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members > >>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. > >>>> > >>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey > >>>> just now in this auction. > >>>> > >>>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H > 5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3 > ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! > >>>> > >>>> Brian > >>>> > >>>> IMCA # 6387 > >>>> > >>>> searchingforfun is my > >>>> ebay User ID > >>>> ______________________________________________ > >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From raremeteorites at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 10:33:23 2009 From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Great Stuff - Low Price! Message-ID: <628550.70625.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear List Members, I have several excellent auctions due to end this afternoon and tomorrow so please take a look if you are interested in some great bargains. I loaded several Buy-It-Nows for those who want a great deal without waiting for an auction to end. Do not be afraid to make a reasonable offer. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, ------------------------------------ Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteorites at yahoo.com From cdtucson at cox.net Sun Aug 9 21:19:07 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:19:07 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090809211907.2OAPQ.48819.imail@fed1rmwml31> Thank you Mike Hankey. I have gotten several Kind emails about the pics. I thought one of the planes might have been practicing dodging a falling meteorite? If not, at least you got to look and see a few potential moves. Just in case you ever need them. Take care. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- Mike Hankey wrote: > wow, that is really incredible. thanks for posting this. i would have > never looked on youtube for pictures like this and I appreciate the > cross over. amazing pictures. > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, wrote: > > Enjoy. > > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm > > -- > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > IMCA 5829 > > Meteoritemax > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From info at mcomemeteorite.it Mon Aug 10 12:01:18 2009 From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:01:18 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics Message-ID: <4a80444e.20b.2d04.1348362828@webmaildh2.aruba.it> The same for me, I like airplane photos, this is photos take from me http://www.chinellatophoto.com/index.php?&set=124&dom_id=&dom_sld=chinellatophoto&dom_tld=com&no_tags=1&sito_gratis=&sito=&local_page=foto&left_local_page=&seleziona_album=Aeronautica just for remember, in this list many others have put messages OT from meteorites in this years.... Matteo ----- Original Message ----- Da : A : Mike Hankey Cc: meteoritelist Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics Data : Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:19:07 -0700 > Thank you Mike Hankey. > I have gotten several Kind emails about the pics. I > thought one of the planes might have been practicing > dodging a falling meteorite? If not, at least you got to > look and see a few potential moves. Just in case you ever > need them. Take care. Carl -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > > ---- Mike Hankey wrote: > > wow, that is really incredible. thanks for posting this. > > i would have never looked on youtube for pictures like > > this and I appreciate the cross over. amazing pictures. > > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, > > > wrote: Enjoy. > > > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm > > > -- > > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > > IMCA 5829 > > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti info at mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.org Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici http://www.chinellatophoto.com From cynapse at charter.net Mon Aug 10 14:25:03 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:25:03 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Saving money on meteorites In-Reply-To: <5e97e2850908092234q6daf03c8maef5592745ba17ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e97e2850908092234q6daf03c8maef5592745ba17ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Or anything else on Ebay and lots of other sites. Sign up with Bing (was Live) and use the shopping links there. You get various percentage discounts that are refunded to your Paypal account. Starting today, the amounts are apparently being doubled. I used this method a while back when I bought a new CPU and a few smaller items-- it worked. Details here: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=40&threadid=2198292&FTVAR_STKEYWORDFRM=&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 13:42:21 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (star_wars_collector at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:42:21 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Saving money on meteorites Message-ID: <2101187600-1249926142-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1825817763-@bxe1125.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I agree. I use bing all the time and save a lot of cash on a lot if things. Greg C Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? From mike at meteoriteguy.com Mon Aug 10 14:06:36 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Amazing video Message-ID: <185294.58526.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd5yhFvdhik&feature=fvsr FEDEX plane crash in Tokyo Not related to meteorites, but I am sure I will get lots of support from people privately. Imagine if all 1000 people on this list start posting endless off-topic crap. I can find millions of cool videos and links on the web that impress someone. Carl, stop posting endless videos ad links of airplanes please. Michael Farmer From korotev at wustl.edu Mon Aug 10 13:50:40 2009 From: korotev at wustl.edu (Randy Korotev) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:50:40 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> Message-ID: <200908101750.n7AHoXO04351@levee.wustl.edu> Carl et al. Regarding the Block Island meteorite on Mars... I asked "Why does it have regmaglypts?" of our local Mars expert, Ray Arvidson, who is Deputy Principal Investigator of the Mars Exploration Rover Mission. He had mentioned the existence of the meteorite to me several weeks ago. He said that the fall happened "4 billion years ago," when Mars had a more substantial atmosphere. This makes sense to me because we've never seen a meteorite this size on the Moon. On the Moon meteoroids impact at several tens of kilometers per second, and vaporize. In order to survive as a whole rock, Block Island must have been decelerated by an atmosphere. (I'm sure that meteoroids hitting Mars are impacting at lower velocities than those hitting Earth-Moon, but I don't know the numbers.) The area where the meteorite was found is a deflation surface - like Roosevelt Co., NM, and places in Antarctica. It was buried for a long time and then exposed when the dust blew away. They know it's a deflation surface because the surface is "young" - the crater count is very low. Only after writing the above did I find some 3D glasses and actually looked at the image. Most of the "holes" don't look so much like regmaglypts to me. Maybe some are chemical weathering features. There will probably be some more info about this meteorite coming out later. Ray said that there is a great interest on what kind of chemical reactions it's experienced. Randy Korotev Washington University At 11:54 07-08-09 Friday, you wrote: >Pete, List, >Very interesting photo. >I have a question about it's morphology? >Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? >Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I >thought Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of >surface materials? It was my understanding that the material ablated >away as it passed through the atmosphere . If that is so then why >does it look the same on Mars. >Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it >entered Mars' atmosphere? >Just curious. >-- >Carl or Debbie Esparza >IMCA 5829 >Meteoritemax > > >---- Pete Pete wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, all, > > > > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! > > > > (note the full resolution link) > > > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > > > > > > It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Pete > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 14:11:02 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:11:02 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] I need a tektite seller who can process credit cards without PayPal Message-ID: Hi Folks! I have a buyer in Europe who wants to purchase a kilo of indochinite tektites - but they will not use PayPal and they want to pay with a Mastercard. If someone can process credit cards directly without PayPal, then you can have this customer and the profit. The agreed price was $100 shipped for the kilo. Contact me offlist if interested in making this sale. Best regards, MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From bencubbin at hotmail.com Mon Aug 10 14:14:09 2009 From: bencubbin at hotmail.com (Howard Steffic) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:14:09 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Amazing video (back on topic) In-Reply-To: <185294.58526.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <185294.58526.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I hope there were no meteorite shipments on that flight. Howard Steffic ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:06:36 -0700 > From: mike at meteoriteguy.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Amazing video > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd5yhFvdhik&feature=fvsr > FEDEX plane crash in Tokyo > > > Not related to meteorites, but I am sure I will get lots of support from people privately. > > Imagine if all 1000 people on this list start posting endless off-topic crap. I can find millions of cool videos and links on the web that impress someone. Carl, stop posting endless videos ad links of airplanes please. > > > > Michael Farmer > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 From jkg2 at cox.net Mon Aug 10 14:14:18 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:14:18 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics In-Reply-To: <4a80444e.20b.2d04.1348362828@webmaildh2.aruba.it> References: <4a80444e.20b.2d04.1348362828@webmaildh2.aruba.it> Message-ID: <20090810181428.XGIR26826.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> I have to agree here. I live just 1.5 miles from a small airport that is also a residential neighborhood. The homes have hangers for their planes. In residence are three P-51s, some P-40s and three Stearman biplanes. If this List can tolerate an occasional break from convention to deal with personality conflicts, NASA, Mars rovers, baby notices, and "I finally got a new job" notices, etc., we should be able to tolerate some pictures of aircraft. Mike, going back through your Adventure Series brought back a lot of old memories. Where are your pictures and stories of NWA 482 and Ourique? Matteo...your pictures are fantastic! Best, John Gwilliam At 09:01 AM 8/10/2009, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: >The same for me, I like airplane photos, this is photos take >from me > >http://www.chinellatophoto.com/index.php?&set=124&dom_id=&dom_sld=chinellatophoto&dom_tld=com&no_tags=1&sito_gratis=&sito=&local_page=foto&left_local_page=&seleziona_album=Aeronautica > >just for remember, in this list many others have put >messages OT from meteorites in this years.... > >Matteo > > >----- Original Message ----- >Da : >A : Mike Hankey >Cc: meteoritelist >Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics >Data : Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:19:07 -0700 > > > Thank you Mike Hankey. > > I have gotten several Kind emails about the pics. I > > thought one of the planes might have been practicing > > dodging a falling meteorite? If not, at least you got to > > look and see a few potential moves. Just in case you ever > > need them. Take care. Carl -- > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > IMCA 5829 > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > ---- Mike Hankey wrote: > > > wow, that is really incredible. thanks for posting this. > > > i would have never looked on youtube for pictures like > > > this and I appreciate the cross over. amazing pictures. > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, > > > > wrote: Enjoy. > > > > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm > > > > -- > > > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > > > IMCA 5829 > > > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > > > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >M come Meteorite Meteoriti >info at mcomemeteorite.it >http://www.mcomemeteorite.it >http://www.mcomemeteorite.org >Mindat Gallery >http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html >ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici >http://www.chinellatophoto.com >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From mike at meteoriteguy.com Mon Aug 10 14:17:38 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics In-Reply-To: <20090810181428.XGIR26826.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <742764.10253.qm@web1108.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> John, sure, we can all relax at teh occasional off-topic post, but Carl does it too often. If we all start doing it for every cool photo or link we see, this list will turn to chaos. If you think endless ebay ads are bad, it will be nothing compared to that. I am working on those pages, so many trips. I am not sure that I have any ourique photos on disk, but I have hard copies, so perhaps I can get them scanned in at some point. Mike --- On Mon, 8/10/09, John Gwilliam wrote: > From: John Gwilliam > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics > To: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" , meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:14 PM > I have to agree here.? I live > just 1.5 miles from a small airport > that is also a residential neighborhood. The homes have > hangers for > their planes.? In residence are three P-51s, some > P-40s and three > Stearman biplanes. > > If this List can tolerate an occasional break from > convention to deal > with personality conflicts, NASA, Mars rovers, baby > notices, and "I > finally got a new job" notices, etc., we should be able to > tolerate > some pictures of aircraft. > > Mike, going back through your Adventure Series brought back > a lot of > old memories. Where are your pictures and stories of NWA > 482 and Ourique? > > Matteo...your pictures are fantastic! > > Best, > > John Gwilliam > > At 09:01 AM 8/10/2009, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: > >The same for me, I like airplane photos, this is photos > take > >from me > > > >http://www.chinellatophoto.com/index.php?&set=124&dom_id=&dom_sld=chinellatophoto&dom_tld=com&no_tags=1&sito_gratis=&sito=&local_page=foto&left_local_page=&seleziona_album=Aeronautica > > > >just for remember, in this list many others have put > >messages OT from meteorites in this years.... > > > >Matteo > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >Da : > >A : Mike Hankey > >Cc: meteoritelist > >Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics > >Data : Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:19:07 -0700 > > > > > Thank you Mike Hankey. > > > I have gotten several Kind emails about the pics. > I > > > thought one of the planes might have been > practicing > > > dodging a falling meteorite? If not, at least you > got to > > > look and see a few potential moves. Just in case > you ever > > > need them. Take care. Carl -- > > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > > IMCA 5829 > > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > > > > ---- Mike Hankey > wrote: > > > > wow, that is really incredible. thanks for > posting this. > > > > i would have never looked on youtube for > pictures like > > > > this and I appreciate the cross over. > amazing pictures. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, > > > > > wrote: Enjoy. > > > > > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm > > > > > -- > > > > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > > > > IMCA 5829 > > > > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > > > > > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > >M come Meteorite Meteoriti > >info at mcomemeteorite.it > >http://www.mcomemeteorite.it > >http://www.mcomemeteorite.org > >Mindat Gallery > >http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html > >ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici > >http://www.chinellatophoto.com > >______________________________________________ > >http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > John Gwilliam > > Too many people were born on third base > and go through life thinking they hit a triple. > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Mon Aug 10 14:18:18 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 10 Aug 2009 18:18:18 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D: Block Island Meteorite on Mars Message-ID: Randy writes: "Most of the 'holes' don't look so much like regmaglypts to me. Maybe some are chemical weathering features ... http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html Hello Randy and List, I certainly agree! These 'holes' look like the ones we know from the Willamette iron, ...those "bowl-shaped cavities" * * BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 3, pp. 1318, excerpts: "It can, therefore, be assumed that, when Willamette landed in the distant past, it had a shape and sculpture very similar to that of Morito. It must have been deeply furrowed on the cone side with radiating flutings, while the antiapex was a flat, somewhat crowning surface with shallow - but large - depressions. The meteorite must have been significantly more massive then, possibly weighing more than 20 tons. This leaves us with a mass which by some mysterious process has lost more than six tons since it fell. For this to occur it appears that we have to resort to terrestrial weathering processes, as already suggested by Ward (1904c) ... It appears, however, that given sufficient time and the right conditions of dilute, aerated sulfuric acid from decomposing troilite, the cavities may reach the surprising scale observed on Willamette." Best wishes, Bernd From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 14:37:24 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:37:24 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D: Block Island Meteorite on Mars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bernd, Randy and List - Bernd said - "I certainly agree! These 'holes' look like the ones we know from the Willamette iron, ...those "bowl-shaped cavities" BINGO! I thought the same exact thing when I saw it. :) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG PS - although there is another Martian meteorite (iron) that is clearly covered in regmaglypts, or perhaps ventifact-type scoops from wind blasting. On 10 Aug 2009 18:18:18 UT, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote: > Randy writes: > > "Most of the 'holes' don't look so much like regmaglypts > to me. Maybe some are chemical weathering features ... > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > > Hello Randy and List, > > I certainly agree! These 'holes' look like the ones we know > from the Willamette iron, ...those "bowl-shaped cavities" * > > * BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 3, pp. 1318, > excerpts: > > "It can, therefore, be assumed that, when Willamette landed in the distant > past, it had a shape > and sculpture very similar to that of Morito. It must have been deeply > furrowed on the cone side > with radiating flutings, while the antiapex was a flat, somewhat crowning > surface with shallow > - but large - depressions. The meteorite must have been significantly more > massive then, possibly > weighing more than 20 tons. > > This leaves us with a mass which by some mysterious process has lost more > than six tons > since it fell. For this to occur it appears that we have to resort to > terrestrial weathering > processes, as already suggested by Ward (1904c) ... It appears, however, > that given > sufficient time and the right conditions of dilute, aerated sulfuric acid > from decomposing > troilite, the cavities may reach the surprising scale observed on > Willamette." > > > Best wishes, > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From gmhupe at htn.net Mon Aug 10 14:19:33 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:19:33 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 web site References: <4a80444e.20b.2d04.1348362828@webmaildh2.aruba.it> <20090810181428.XGIR26826.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <535DF1EC6BCC4A17A898A1281BB4A0FE@Gregor> Hi John and List, NWA 482 can be seen here: www.LunarRock.com This includes Mike's sister's story regarding the acquisition of NWA 482, photos and other info. Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gwilliam" To: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" ; Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics >I have to agree here. I live just 1.5 miles from a small airport that is >also a residential neighborhood. The homes have hangers for their planes. >In residence are three P-51s, some P-40s and three Stearman biplanes. > > If this List can tolerate an occasional break from convention to deal with > personality conflicts, NASA, Mars rovers, baby notices, and "I finally got > a new job" notices, etc., we should be able to tolerate some pictures of > aircraft. > > Mike, going back through your Adventure Series brought back a lot of old > memories. Where are your pictures and stories of NWA 482 and Ourique? > > Matteo...your pictures are fantastic! > > Best, > > John Gwilliam > > At 09:01 AM 8/10/2009, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: >>The same for me, I like airplane photos, this is photos take >>from me >> >>http://www.chinellatophoto.com/index.php?&set=124&dom_id=&dom_sld=chinellatophoto&dom_tld=com&no_tags=1&sito_gratis=&sito=&local_page=foto&left_local_page=&seleziona_album=Aeronautica >> >>just for remember, in this list many others have put >>messages OT from meteorites in this years.... >> >>Matteo >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>Da : >>A : Mike Hankey >>Cc: meteoritelist >>Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics >>Data : Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:19:07 -0700 >> >> > Thank you Mike Hankey. >> > I have gotten several Kind emails about the pics. I >> > thought one of the planes might have been practicing >> > dodging a falling meteorite? If not, at least you got to >> > look and see a few potential moves. Just in case you ever >> > need them. Take care. Carl -- >> > Carl or Debbie Esparza >> > IMCA 5829 >> > Meteoritemax >> > >> > >> > ---- Mike Hankey wrote: >> > > wow, that is really incredible. thanks for posting this. >> > > i would have never looked on youtube for pictures like >> > > this and I appreciate the cross over. amazing pictures. >> > > >> > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, >> > > > wrote: Enjoy. >> > > > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm >> > > > -- >> > > > Carl or Debbie Esparza >> > > > IMCA 5829 >> > > > Meteoritemax >> > > > >> > > > ______________________________________________ >> > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> > > > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> > > > >> > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > ______________________________________________ >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>M come Meteorite Meteoriti >>info at mcomemeteorite.it >>http://www.mcomemeteorite.it >>http://www.mcomemeteorite.org >>Mindat Gallery >>http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html >>ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici >>http://www.chinellatophoto.com >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > John Gwilliam > > Too many people were born on third base > and go through life thinking they hit a triple. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From countdeiro at earthlink.net Mon Aug 10 15:45:56 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] The Fed Ex accident video. Message-ID: <29334416.1249933556610.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dear List, Just this once...I'm posting an un-related eMail I sent to Michale Farmer regarding the horrific aircraft accident video he posted. I know that many misconceptions about why aircraft crash spread unwarranted fear of flying. Many of the List flly often in their pursuit of the rocks. Knowing "why" this happened might be helpful. Hi Michael, The List is what it is..and for....meteoritic information only! I'm new to the List, but I'm not to aircraft and the inherent dangers in their operation. I was Director of Aviation Facilities for Howard Hughes and still hold an Airline Transport Pilot's license with ratings in multi-engine land and sea planes and rotorcraft. For many years I was a member of AI teams with the NTSB specializing in reconstructing aircraft accidents. I mention this only because you might be interested in knowing what the probable cause of this incident was determined to be. Note that the surface wind (look at the post impact smoke) was strong and gusty and right down the runway. A head wind. The aircraft was heavy. The runway length just within operating parameters. This, if under no head wind conditions, called for a slow indicated approach speed. The crew followed this "bug" speed in error not allowing for the vagarities of the headwind. The wind calmed (sheared) and the aircraft lost lift just short of touchdown flare...it entered an irrecoverable aerodynamic stall. Adding power at that low altitude didn't help as the sircraft departed controlled flight before the turbines could "spool up" and generate thrust to add airspeed. The nose dropped as the elevator was no longer aerodynamically effective and they struck hard on the nose wheel, collapsing the cockpit floor, and over stressing the whole airframe. The left wing main spar and attach points failed and that wing folded. The right wing maintained it's integrity and continued to develop enough lift to roll the airframe inverted. It ws a non- survivable accident due to g-induced physical loads, blunt force injuries, smoke inhalation and burns. I hadn't seen this complete video posting before, so I owe you a sort of " left handed " compliment. I enjoy all of your postings and I respect your consumate knowledge of things extraterrestial. Regards, Guido...Count Deiro From mlblood at cox.net Mon Aug 10 15:51:34 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:51:34 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD~ for Bob Walker In-Reply-To: <16835389.84211249895568435.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: Bob asked me to post this for him: I've got to raise some cash for some new projects - I'm selling the Scorpion Bight main mass for $4000 aussie dollars but can only post it to an Australian address due to export restrictions Theres few if any ozzie main masses in private hands, even fewer (if any) Western Australian main masses sice the laws changed after this find vesting the ownership of newer WA finds in the Crown Its a once only unique opportunity for an advanced collector to acquire a WA main mass and I cannot conceive of there being any other future opportunity to do so The new laws vest ownership of new finds in the Crown and have meant the end of meteorite hunting in WA Cheers -- Contact: Bob Walker From epgrondine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 16:28:54 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Block Island Message-ID: <939255.42784.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all - Some background on NASA and Block Island - In their discussions of Mars "geology" NASA follows its usual pattern and faces up to asteroid and comet impact only when they are absolutely forced to. At the time of Pathfinder, NASA had a tough time talking about craters on Mars at all. It's gotten better since then, but a most of their work still stinks. One major example: NASA has a rough time figuring out where all that fine iron on Mars came from. Given the lack of other processes, what the hell do the NASA folk think they're looking at, anyway? If you take a look at most of the Mars images, you'll see rocks pelted by pellets from hypervelocity impacts. For that matter, the "blueberry" spherical accretions are most likely condensed impact vaporized material. And most of the isolated stuff on the surface is impact ejecta, anyway. NASA's accretion rates and absolute surface date estimates are a load of cr*p as well. If you look at the images of canyon walls on Mars, you'll see banding done by volatiles released by comet impact roughly every 26 million years. Of course, according to NASA comets don't hit, and Clube and Napier's comet injection mechanism is nonsense. Now what does this have to do with Block Island? Mars is not Earth-like, damn it. Essentially, given NASA's demonstrated lack of skill, you here on the meteorite list will do a better job in analyzing this rock than NASA ever will be able to do. Oh, and before I go I'd like to remind everyone that yours truly was the first to spot a meteorite on Mars, in the Pathfinder images, though I identified it as a tektite at the time. I think I might be able to find that 39k image, if someone wants to post it somewhere. End of today's rant. My blood pressure is lower now. Carry on... E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas From fcb at astronomics.com Mon Aug 10 15:52:27 2009 From: fcb at astronomics.com (Fred Bieler) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:52:27 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites Message-ID: <000001ca19f4$16b25120$4416f360$@com> NWA 400 shows in the MetBase as a provisional name and is described only as an uncrusted metal-rich chondrite with an "Origin/pseudonym: Algeria," bought by Dean Bessey, and with no mention of the name Oum Rockba. Michael Cottingham sold large quantities of a meteorite named Oum Rockba saying it had been found 12 miles west of the village of Oum Rokba in Southern Morocco, was bought by him October 2000, and had been classified by Alan Rubin of UCLA as an H5, S2 W2. Michael told me a few months ago via email that he didn't know why the classification had not been officially submitted to the NOmCom, but that he would find out from Dr. Rubin. To date, still no answer. Is the Bessey NWA 400 truly the stone sold by Cottingham as Oum Rockba? I've been trying to find out for eight years. With 14 stones of "Oum Rockba" totaling 5732 grams (the largest 4126 grams) as part of the results of an investment in one of Michael's early buying trips, any assurance one way or the other would be appreciated. Enquiring minds want to know. Thanks. Fred Bieler www.astronomics.com -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wesel Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:43 AM To: Brian Cox; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; drtanuki Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites I will opine that Kem Kem did have a bit of the catchall going for it but it did not precede NWA numbering The SA or Sahara numbers were first Other catchalls may include Oum Rokba (NWA400), NWA 869, Franconia, Dho 020 And let's slip in an ad...NWA 001 available here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280383448019 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog ------------------ We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cox" To: ; "drtanuki" Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > > > > Dirk, > > Why are you so angry? Your use of CAPS in INCORRECTLY and rambling on > about > hippies and food and Berber shave and Burma shave and all kinds of things > that sound like you're high or drunk. Are you made at me about something > or > what has gotten into you? Is it because I asked your opinion on something > or > that I didn't buy any meteorites from you after asking you if you had > certain specimens? > > I think it's inappropriate that you sent this to the list and went on and > on > about it. If you were clear headed you would have been able to tell that I > wrote in the paragraph I sent that I was 'told' this information and NOT > that it was my personal opinion, and I will print it here again: > > "I was 'told' from our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA > members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites." > > I did NOT state this was my view, nor did I state that this was the gospel > from me. I stated, again, "That I was told by others on the list, and IMCA > members and if you had been reading the posts you would have read those." > Everyone has said Kem Kem was a generic name and it seems to have DUG up a > lot of old painful memories for you and you seem to be spewing them out > here > in anger at me. > > Please calm down and relax and read it again later today or in the evening > when you can understand it better without jumping down my throat. > > There is something more than just my quote here that is angering you and I > can't help you with that. > > Regards and all the best to you. > > Brian > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "drtanuki" >> To: "Brian Cox" ; <"meteorite- >> list"@meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >> >> >> >> Dear Brian and List, >> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find >> out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. >> Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s catalogue >> lists: >> 22.4g @ $44.80; >> 26.9g@ $53.80 >> 31.5g@ $63.00 >> 33.5g@ $67.00 >> 41.0g@ $82.00 >> 46.8g@ $93.60 >> 53.2g@ $106.40 >> 58.6g@ $117.20 >> 67.4g@ $134.80 >> 70.0g@ $140.00 >> 83.1g@ $166.20 >> 114.9g@ $229.80 >> 153.6g@ $307.20 >> >> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, >> which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites of >> NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. >> >> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY >> calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >> >> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at >> Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary >> alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for >> the huge festival and arrested development. >> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean Bessey >> in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to Bessey >> Specks perhaps not? >> >> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad >> German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also >> missed the Great Habibi! >> >> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, >> mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >> >> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met >> Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet >> on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. >> >> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >> searchingforfun. >> >> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >> >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: >> >>> From: Brian Cox >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>> >>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>> just now in this auction. >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0Q QitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f& _trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>> >>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> IMCA # 6387 >>> >>> searchingforfun is my >>> ebay User ID >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From epgrondine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 19:16:30 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Space based detection Message-ID: <679145.98281.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bernd, Mike, Richard - Bernd - Saw the S&T cover, but from your summary it looks like they missed the best site - Ken Tankersley's Sheriden Cave - an inch of impactites, the bones of blast killed mega-fauna, and clovis tools. Given Ken's heart attack, and NASA and USGS's lack of funding, this is no surprise. It also looks like S&T missed the Kiscoty, Alberta structure. And hell, no promo in the piece for my own "Man and Impact in the Americas". Oh well, Firestone's injection mechanism for this one does not upset Morrison et al, so that pretty much explains it - along with the mass of hard evidence. Me, I'm still waiting for someone (ahem) to offer Hibben an apology. Mike, putting 50 or so people on Mars is not answer to saving the lives of anywhere from 60,000,000 (the next impact mega-tsunami) to 6,000,000,000 for the next ELE. If we get a tunguska class on a city we get around 10,000,000 dead, on a nuke plant maybe what 20,000,000 homeless, one tiggering a nuclear exchange, say maybe 1,000,000,000-2,000,000,000. In addition, we've got less than 13 years to get on top of the Schwassmann-Wachmann 3 debris train, and someone needs to get a memo on it to Bolden and Garver. Richard, we can handle a long period comet with nuclear charges, if it comes down to it, but diversion by ablation would be better. The problem is finding these things early, and my opinion is that CAPS is the answer for both. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas (While some people have told me its a great book, I'm still broke. Anyone care to gift me with a little Campo de Cielo or Brenham?) From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 19:46:34 2009 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:46:34 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk Message-ID: <62619C1D3ADB4A0396D297A6F1971D82@Bandli1> Hello Martin and All, http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/august/Accretion_Desk.htm It?s nice to see a witnessed iron on the Accretion Desk this month. It is quite easy to forget that witnessed iron falls are incredibly rare. In fact, according to the MetBull database, witnessed HED?s are more abundant than irons at ~69 witnessed HED achondrites to ~49 witnessed irons. Even at that number, iron falls are so highly prized by museums and institutions, that you are lucky to find anything outside of Sikote-Alin, Udei Station, or the occasional Boguslavka or Braunau. I was surprised to see that Martin?s piece has a ?hack-saw? cut job ? something I thought was unique to my piece of Bogou: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-3.jpg I purchased my Bogou several years ago (ex. Cureton Collection) sight-unseen and re-etching and cutting off the hack-saw marks and 'hanging chads' has always been on my to-do list until I read Martin?s article. It is easy to forget that those blemishes can actually help tell the story and human interaction involved with particular specimens. In fact, I think a hacked-up Bogou looks just fine now ? Martin also reminds us of how delicate and rare -real- fusion crust on an iron is. On Bogou, it is like the thin crust of a croissant and can easily flake off if not handled properly: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-2.jpg Finally, the ?good? side, showing the curvature of the specimen. One can only imagine how impressive a full slice would be: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-1.jpg Martin, I wonder if our specimens shared a jar with the Cureton Collection? 6 Irons Old, Mike Bandli From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 19:49:36 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:49:36 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk In-Reply-To: <62619C1D3ADB4A0396D297A6F1971D82@Bandli1> References: <62619C1D3ADB4A0396D297A6F1971D82@Bandli1> Message-ID: Nice specimen Mike. Thanks for sharing the photos of it. :) On 8/10/09, Mike Bandli wrote: > Hello Martin and All, > > http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/august/Accretion_Desk.htm > > It?s nice to see a witnessed iron on the Accretion Desk this month. It is > quite easy to forget that witnessed iron falls are incredibly rare. In fact, > according to the MetBull database, witnessed HED?s are more abundant than > irons at ~69 witnessed HED achondrites to ~49 witnessed irons. Even at that > number, iron falls are so highly prized by museums and institutions, that > you are lucky to find anything outside of Sikote-Alin, Udei Station, or the > occasional Boguslavka or Braunau. > > I was surprised to see that Martin?s piece has a ?hack-saw? cut job ? > something I thought was unique to my piece of Bogou: > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-3.jpg > > I purchased my Bogou several years ago (ex. Cureton Collection) sight-unseen > and re-etching and cutting off the hack-saw marks and 'hanging chads' has > always been on my to-do list until I read Martin?s article. It is easy to > forget that those blemishes can actually help tell the story and human > interaction involved with particular specimens. In fact, I think a hacked-up > Bogou looks just fine now ? > > > Martin also reminds us of how delicate and rare -real- fusion crust on an > iron is. On Bogou, it is like the thin crust of a croissant and can easily > flake off if not handled properly: > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-2.jpg > > > Finally, the ?good? side, showing the curvature of the specimen. One can > only imagine how impressive a full slice would be: > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-1.jpg > > > Martin, I wonder if our specimens shared a jar with the Cureton Collection? > > > 6 Irons Old, > > Mike Bandli > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Aug 10 20:09:03 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Planet Smash-Up Sends Vaporized Rock, Hot Lava Flying (Spitzer) Message-ID: <200908110009.n7B093ms000965@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-119 Planet Smash-Up Sends Vaporized Rock, Hot Lava Flying Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 10, 2009 PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has found evidence of a high-speed collision between two burgeoning planets around a young star. Astronomers say that two rocky bodies, one as least as big as our moon and the other at least as big as Mercury, slammed into each other within the last few thousand years or so -- not long ago by cosmic standards. The impact destroyed the smaller body, vaporizing huge amounts of rock and flinging massive plumes of hot lava into space. An artist's animation of the event is at http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitzer/multimedia/spitzer-20090810.html . Spitzer's infrared detectors were able to pick up the signatures of the vaporized rock, along with pieces of refrozen lava, called tektites. "This collision had to be huge and incredibly high-speed for rock to have been vaporized and melted," said Carey M. Lisse of the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, Laurel, Md., lead author of a new paper describing the findings in the Aug. 20 issue of the Astrophysical Journal. "This is a really rare and short-lived event, critical in the formation of Earth-like planets and moons. We're lucky to have witnessed one not long after it happened." Lisse and his colleagues say the cosmic crash is similar to the one that formed our moon more than 4 billion years ago, when a body the size of Mars rammed into Earth. "The collision that formed our moon would have been tremendous, enough to melt the surface of Earth," said co-author Geoff Bryden of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "Debris from the collision most likely settled into a disk around Earth that eventually coalesced to make the moon. This is about the same scale of impact we're seeing with Spitzer -- we don't know if a moon will form or not, but we know a large rocky body's surface was red hot, warped and melted." Our solar system's early history is rich with similar tales of destruction. Giant impacts are thought to have stripped Mercury of its outer crust, tipped Uranus on its side and spun Venus backward, to name a few examples. Such violence is a routine aspect of planet building. Rocky planets form and grow in size by colliding and sticking together, merging their cores and shedding some of their surfaces. Though things have settled down in our solar system today, impacts still occur, as was observed last month after a small space object crashed into Jupiter. Lisse and his team observed a star called HD 172555, which is about 12 million years old and located about 100 light-years away in the far southern constellation Pavo, or the Peacock (for comparison, our solar system is 4.5 billion years old). The astronomers used an instrument on Spitzer, called a spectrograph, to break apart the star's light and look for fingerprints of chemicals, in what is called a spectrum. What they found was very strange. "I had never seen anything like this before," said Lisse. "The spectrum was very unusual." After careful analysis, the researchers identified lots of amorphous silica, or essentially melted glass. Silica can be found on Earth in obsidian rocks and tektites. Obsidian is black, shiny volcanic glass. Tektites are hardened chunks of lava that are thought to form when meteorites hit Earth. Large quantities of orbiting silicon monoxide gas were also detected, created when much of the rock was vaporized. In addition, the astronomers found rocky rubble that was probably flung out from the planetary wreck. The mass of the dust and gas observed suggests the combined mass of the two charging bodies was more than twice that of our moon. Their speed must have been tremendous as well -- the two bodies would have to have been traveling at a velocity relative to each other of at least 10 kilometers per second (about 22,400 miles per hour) before the collision. Spitzer has witnessed the dusty aftermath of large asteroidal impacts before, but did not find evidence for the same type of violence -- melted and vaporized rock sprayed everywhere. Instead, large amounts of dust, gravel, and boulder-sized rubble were observed, indicating the collisions might have been slower-paced. "Almost all large impacts are like stately, slow-moving Titanic-versus-the-iceberg collisions, whereas this one must have been a huge fiery blast, over in the blink of an eye and full of fury," said Lisse. Other authors include C.H. Chen of the Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore, Md.; M.C. Wyatt of the University of Cambridge, England; A. Morlok of the Open University, London, England; I. Song of The University of Georgia, Athens, Ga.; and P. Sheehan of the University of Rochester, N.Y. JPL manages the Spitzer mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Science operations are conducted at the Spitzer Science Center at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. Caltech manages JPL for NASA. Spitzer's infrared spectrograph, which made the observations in 2004 before the telescope began its "warm" mission, was built by Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y. Its development was led by Jim Houck of Cornell. For more information about Spitzer, visit http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/spitzer and http://www.nasa.gov/spitzer . More information about NASA's planet-finding program is at http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov Whitney Clavin 818-354-4673 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. whitney.clavin at jpl.nasa.gov 2009-119 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Aug 10 20:12:16 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO Science Operations Resume Message-ID: <200908110012.n7B0CHlr002047@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-121 Science Operations Resume Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 10, 2009 Mars Recommaissance Orbiter Mission Status Report PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has been restored to full operations, making intensive science observations of Mars, four days after it unexpectedly switched to its backup computer. The mission's engineers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., and at Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, successfully transitioned the orbiter out of limited-activity "safe" mode on Saturday, Aug. 8, and resumed use of the spacecraft's science instruments on Monday, Aug. 10, at 2:32 p.m. PDT (5:32 p.m. EDT, or 21:32 UTC). The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter had spontaneously swapped from its "A" side computer and subsystems to the redundant "B" side on Aug. 6. Engineers are investigating the root cause for that event, which bore some similarities to side swaps by the orbiter in 2007 and 2008. The spacecraft has been studying Mars with an advanced set of instruments since 2006. It has returned more data about the planet than all other past and current missions to Mars combined. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov 2009-121 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Aug 10 20:04:43 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Found On Mars Yields Clues About Planet's Past Message-ID: <200908110004.n7B04hsc000236@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> August 10, 2009 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov Guy Webster Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-6278 gay.y.hill at jpl.nasa.gov RELEASE: 09-186 METEORITE FOUND ON MARS YIELDS CLUES ABOUT PLANET'S PAST PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Rover Opportunity is investigating a metallic meteorite the size of a large watermelon that is providing researchers more details about the Red Planet's environmental history. The rock, dubbed "Block Island," is larger than any other known meteorite on Mars. Scientists calculate it is too massive to have hit the ground without disintegrating unless Mars had a much thicker atmosphere than it has now when the rock fell. Atmosphere slows the descent of meteorites. Additional studies also may provide clues about how weathering has affected the rock since it fell. Two weeks ago, Opportunity had driven approximately 600 feet past the rock in a Mars region called Meridiani Planum. An image the rover had taken a few days earlier and stored was then transmitted back to Earth. The image showed the rock is approximately 2 feet in length, half that in height, and has a bluish tint that distinguishes it from other rocks in the area. The rover team decided to have Opportunity backtrack for a closer look, eventually touching Block Island with its robotic arm. "There's no question that it is an iron-nickel meteorite," said Ralf Gellert of the University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada. Gellert is the lead scientist for the rover's alpha particle X-ray spectrometer, an instrument on the arm used for identifying key elements in an object. "We already investigated several spots that showed elemental variations on the surface. This might tell us if and how the metal was altered since it landed on Mars." The microscopic imager on the arm revealed a distinctive triangular pattern in Block Island's surface texture, matching a pattern common in iron-nickel meteorites found on Earth. "Normally this pattern is exposed when the meteorite is cut, polished and etched with acid," said Tim McCoy, a rover team member from the Smithsonian Institution in Washington. "Sometimes it shows up on the surface of meteorites that have been eroded by windblown sand in deserts, and that appears to be what we see with Block Island." Opportunity found a smaller iron-nickel meteorite, called "Heat Shield Rock," in late 2004. At about a half ton or more, Block Island is roughly 10 times as massive as Heat Shield Rock and several times too big to have landed intact without more braking than today's Martian atmosphere could provide. "Consideration of existing model results indicates a meteorite this size requires a thicker atmosphere," said rover team member Matt Golombek of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "Either Mars has hidden reserves of carbon-dioxide ice that can supply large amounts of carbon-dioxide gas into the atmosphere during warm periods of more recent climate cycles, or Block Island fell billions of years ago." Spectrometer observations have already identified variations in the composition of Block Island at different points on the rock's surface. The differences could result from interaction of the rock with the Martian environment, where the metal becomes more rusted from weathering with longer exposures to water vapor or liquid. "We have lots of iron-nickel meteorites on Earth. We're using this meteorite as a way to study Mars," said Albert Yen, a rover team member at JPL. "Before we drive away from Block Island, we intend to examine more targets on this rock where the images show variations in color and texture. We're looking to see how extensively the rock surface has been altered, which helps us understand the history of the Martian climate since it fell." When the investigation of Block Island concludes, the team plans to resume driving Opportunity on a route from Victoria Crater, which the rover explored for two years, toward the much larger Endeavour Crater. Opportunity has covered about one-fifth of the 12-mile route plotted for safe travel to Endeavour since the rover left Victoria nearly a year ago. Opportunity and its twin rover, Spirit, landed on Mars in January 2004 for missions originally planned to last for three months. Both rovers show signs of aging but are still very able to continue to explore and study Mars. NASA'S JPL manages the Mars Exploration Rovers Opportunity and Spirit for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. To see the image and obtain more information about the rovers, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/rovers -end- From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Aug 10 20:01:32 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Novel Lunar Impactor Cleansed of Water (LCROSS) Message-ID: <200908110001.n7B01WM6028884@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.spaceflightnow.com/lcross/090810bakeout/ Novel lunar impactor cleansed of water BY STEPHEN CLARK SPACEFLIGHT NOW August 10, 2009 Nearly halfway through its crash course with the moon, NASA's lunar impact mission is being scrubbed of Earth water that could throw the probe off course and pollute potential ice on the moon. The mission will pass the halfway mark this week on its way to a pinpoint collision with the moon on Oct. 9. Debris from the impact plume will be analyzed in search of water molecules scientists believe could exist inside craters at the lunar poles. The Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite, or LCROSS, is tugging a two-and-a-half ton Centaur rocket coated in foam that collected water from humid air at the mission's Florida launch site. "When we're sitting on the pad, the Centaur, which we're impacting on the moon, is essentially a giant thermos bottle," said Tony Colaprete, the project's chief scientist at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif. The Centaur consists of two propellant tanks holding chilled liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. Foam applied to the outer shell of the rocket helps insulate the cold fuels from warm outside temperatures. But it can also attract and condense water from rain and humidity, common conditions at the Atlas 5 rocket's oceanfront launch pad at Cape Canaveral, Fla. "The foam absorbs quite a bit of water white it's sitting there, even for the short amount of time that it's in the elements in Florida on the launch pad," Colaprete said. Valves on the Centaur also build ice during fueling. "If you've seen the launch video from the rocketcams during the launch, looking down the Centaur, you can see icicles literally hanging off near the fill and drain valves lower down on the Atlas 5. It is that accumulated ice that we want to get rid of," Colaprete said. If the ice survived during the spacecraft's circuitous four-month voyage to the moon, the probe could be pushed off course and the scientific results of the $79 million mission could be skewed. "Our principal objective is to measure in situ water on the moon. We don't want to confuse our measurements by having some terrestrial water on the Centaur," Colaprete said. "The interesting thing is even though space is a vacuum, the water can sustain itself there if it's cold enough," said Paul Tompkins, LCROSS flight director. After propelling LCROSS and the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter toward the moon, the Centaur safed itself and vented leftover fuel from its tanks. United Launch Alliance, builder of the Atlas 5 rocket, assured NASA the Centaur would contain less than 220 pounds of residual water, hydrogen and oxygen at the end of its mission. Colaprete said the Centaur easily met that requirement, with the extra mass totaling approximately 143 pounds, according to engineers' best estimates. Instruments that will sense lunar debris thrown up by the Centaur's impact shouldn't detect such small amounts of Earth water, according to Colaprete. But Colaprete noticed evidence of a water cloud trailing the spacecraft during instrument testing in the early days of the mission. The water cloud was enough for the LCROSS navigation team to recommend a series of maneuvers called cold side bakeouts that turn the back side of the Centaur toward the sun. Such techniques had been discussed before launch, but were not in any mission plans. Because the LCROSS shepherding spacecraft has a fixed solar panel, the stack must stay in the same orientation during most of the mission to generate electricity. That means the other side of the Centaur remains very cold. "It's so cold that the ice just sits there and doesn't sublime very well, and certainly doesn't migrate out of the foam," Colaprete said. To remedy the situation, engineers sent commands for LCROSS to rotate the spacecraft 180 degrees. "We rotate the entire spacecraft around, go off of solar panel power and run on battery power, and just let that back side of the Centaur warm up," Colaprete said. Like ice on the Centaur side normally warmed by the sun, frozen water embedded in the cold part of the rocket will slowly turn to gas and float into space. "Once it gets exposed to that sunlight, it will warm up and those water constituents will start to bake out of the surface of the Centaur," Tompkins said. LCROSS navigators were concerned the uncontrolled Centaur could turn its cold side toward the sun after separating from the shepherding spacecraft. Boiling off water creates a small propulsive impulse that could push the Centaur off course right before impact. Scientists want to precisely aim the impactor to a specific point inside the target crater, so any errors could affect science results. "Those little molecules coming off and subliming actually impart their exit velocity to the Centaur and actually push it off target," Colaprete said. Now cruising nearly 300,000 miles from Earth, LCROSS has already completed two cold side bakeouts. At least one more maneuver is planned before impact. The first bakeout produced a velocity change of more than one-tenth of a foot per second, enough force to cause a "significant targeting error," Colaprete said. Several pounds of water boiling off could push the Centaur nearly two miles off course, according to Colaprete. Officials waited a month after the mission's June 18 launch to begin the bakeouts. The first few days were spent turning on the spacecraft and preparing for a swing past the moon. "The first week was just maddening for us on LCROSS. We had to essentially get all our trajectories right, get the swingby right and commission the payload for swingby calibrations. Once we did all that and we could actually catch our breath and catch up on our sleep, then we started saying, 'OK, let's assess our situation,'" Colaprete said. The swingby used lunar gravity to send LCROSS into a distant Earth orbit to set up for the October impact. "We swung from the Earth all the way out to lunar distance, and just as the moon goes by, it threw us into this super-high inclination, highly elliptical orbit around the Earth, but at about lunar distance. What that allowed us to do is phase our orbit such that in three months, we come back on the moon again and have a direct impact in the south pole," Tompkins said. LCROSS will separate from the Centaur less than 10 hours before getting back to the moon. The probe will slow itself down, allowing the empty rocket to pull ahead and strike the moon about four minutes before the shepherding spacecraft. The tightly choreographed impact sequence will occur around 1130 GMT (7:30 a.m. EDT) on Oct. 9, excavating more than a million pounds of lunar material, including potential water ice. Scientists still have not picked a target for the impact, but it will probably be one of eight permanently shadowed craters near the moon's south pole, according to Colaprete. Those eight craters were selected before launch based on the best available data from international lunar orbiters and ground-based radar. Officials are busily studying early results from LRO's mission to narrow down the list of finalists. A science meeting at Ames next week will include extensive discussion of potential impact sites. "Out of that meeting, I'll come away with hopefully a much more narrow list, from eight or so, which it is now, to maybe one or two," Colaprete said. Colaprete will make the final decision in early September, in time for LCROSS to fire its engines and tweak its trajectory to line up with its destination. NASA tentatively plans to announce the target crater around Sept. 10. From mike at meteoriteguy.com Mon Aug 10 20:24:11 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc and Moss adventure pages loaded Message-ID: <492923.30944.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I have been working all day to get both Berduc and Moss adventure pages up and loaded. Please take a look, strewnfield maps on the pages. http://www.meteoriteguy.com/adventures.htm thanks for all the responses and corrections, trying to get them implemented. Michael Farmer From fcressy at prodigy.net Mon Aug 10 21:17:04 2009 From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk In-Reply-To: <62619C1D3ADB4A0396D297A6F1971D82@Bandli1> References: <62619C1D3ADB4A0396D297A6F1971D82@Bandli1> Message-ID: <35918.86964.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Martin, Mike, and all, I've always liked Bogou too, probably because of the photo below from Al Lang's site.? Unfortunately I don't have a specimen :-( http://www.nyrockman.com/museum/bogou-8.htm Al's?etched part slice has a very cool heat-affected rim on it.? Of course the question?concernimg your specimens is:? Do they also have a heat-affected rim?? ?and do you a). refinish and etch it to see, or b). leave as is. (Just thought I'd add another variable to the equation) Cheers, Frank ________________________________ From: Mike Bandli To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:46:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk Hello Martin and All, http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/august/Accretion_Desk.htm It?s nice to see a witnessed iron on the Accretion Desk this month. It is quite easy to forget that witnessed iron falls are incredibly rare. In fact, according to the MetBull database, witnessed HED?s are more abundant than irons at ~69 witnessed HED achondrites to ~49 witnessed irons. Even at that number, iron falls are so highly prized by museums and institutions, that you are lucky to find anything outside of Sikote-Alin, Udei Station, or the occasional Boguslavka or Braunau. I was surprised to see that Martin?s piece has a ?hack-saw? cut job ? something I thought was unique to my piece of Bogou: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-3.jpg I purchased my Bogou several years ago (ex. Cureton Collection) sight-unseen and re-etching and cutting off the hack-saw marks and 'hanging chads' has always been on my to-do list until I read Martin?s article. It is easy to forget that those blemishes can actually help tell the story and human interaction involved with particular specimens. In fact, I think a hacked-up Bogou looks just fine now ? Martin also reminds us of how delicate and rare -real- fusion crust on an iron is. On Bogou, it is like the thin crust of a croissant and can easily flake off if not handled properly: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-2.jpg Finally, the ?good? side, showing the curvature of the specimen. One can only imagine how impressive a full slice would be: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-1.jpg Martin, I wonder if our specimens shared a jar with the Cureton Collection? 6 Irons Old, Mike Bandli ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 21:39:22 2009 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:39:22 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk In-Reply-To: <35918.86964.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <62619C1D3ADB4A0396D297A6F1971D82@Bandli1> <35918.86964.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Frank, That piece is beautiful and the re-heated rim is incredible. I believe Jay Piatek is the current and proud owner. I'm afraid to refinish or etch mine, as it would risk losing what little of the frail fusion crust remains. Cheers, Mike Bandli -----Original Message----- From: Frank Cressy [mailto:fcressy at prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:17 PM To: Mike Bandli; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk Hi Martin, Mike, and all, I've always liked Bogou too, probably because of the photo below from Al Lang's site. Unfortunately I don't have a specimen :-( http://www.nyrockman.com/museum/bogou-8.htm Al's etched part slice has a very cool heat-affected rim on it. Of course the question concernimg your specimens is: Do they also have a heat-affected rim? and do you a). refinish and etch it to see, or b). leave as is. (Just thought I'd add another variable to the equation) Cheers, Frank ________________________________ From: Mike Bandli To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:46:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk Hello Martin and All, http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/august/Accretion_Desk.htm It?s nice to see a witnessed iron on the Accretion Desk this month. It is quite easy to forget that witnessed iron falls are incredibly rare. In fact, according to the MetBull database, witnessed HED?s are more abundant than irons at ~69 witnessed HED achondrites to ~49 witnessed irons. Even at that number, iron falls are so highly prized by museums and institutions, that you are lucky to find anything outside of Sikote-Alin, Udei Station, or the occasional Boguslavka or Braunau. I was surprised to see that Martin?s piece has a ?hack-saw? cut job ? something I thought was unique to my piece of Bogou: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-3.jpg I purchased my Bogou several years ago (ex. Cureton Collection) sight-unseen and re-etching and cutting off the hack-saw marks and 'hanging chads' has always been on my to-do list until I read Martin?s article. It is easy to forget that those blemishes can actually help tell the story and human interaction involved with particular specimens. In fact, I think a hacked-up Bogou looks just fine now ? Martin also reminds us of how delicate and rare -real- fusion crust on an iron is. On Bogou, it is like the thin crust of a croissant and can easily flake off if not handled properly: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-2.jpg Finally, the ?good? side, showing the curvature of the specimen. One can only imagine how impressive a full slice would be: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-1.jpg Martin, I wonder if our specimens shared a jar with the Cureton Collection? 6 Irons Old, Mike Bandli ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 10 22:35:12 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:35:12 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc and Moss adventure pages loaded In-Reply-To: <492923.30944.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <492923.30944.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh, Canada?... ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:24:11 -0700 > From: mike at meteoriteguy.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc and Moss adventure pages loaded > > > I have been working all day to get both Berduc and Moss adventure pages up and loaded. > Please take a look, strewnfield maps on the pages. > > http://www.meteoriteguy.com/adventures.htm > > thanks for all the responses and corrections, trying to get them implemented. > Michael Farmer > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 10 22:41:22 2009 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:41:22 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> <200908101750.n7AHoXO04351@levee.wustl.edu> Message-ID: Hi, Randy, List, Timorous about questioning "experts," local or otherwise, I find the notion that a meteorite could sit on (or near) the surface of Mars undisturbed for four billion years to be most unlikely, also the assumption that there was no denser atmosphere for the last four billion years, also the assumption that a denser atmosphere is required. I also feel that there's a misconception about meteoritic re-entry here. Common sense makes us want to question the "soft landing" of any iron meteorite, but every surficial iron meteorite cannot be excavated or exposed from any great depth. First, only very slow (relatively) moving objects penetrate the soil rather than vaporize, so the depth of burial is always shallow. Second, one has only to look at HOBA, now weighing in at 60 tons, but estimated to have been 100 tons at landing (from the quantity of iron shale in a roughly circular disc surrounding it. Presumably, at "landing," it had a shape very much like the Martian iron in question (but a lot bigger), and its thinner edges have oxidized away, leaving the present "blocky" core. How did a 100 ton chuck of iron make a soft landing on the Earth? (You tell me how HOBA did it; I'll tell you how BLOCK ISLAND did it.) The answer is: "it flew," like the Space Shuttle "flies" (my candidate for Scariest Glider of All Time, except for the WWII Soviet "Flying Tank"). It flew at a steep angle, yes, but it flew. Flight depends on the atmosphere, and the chief factor in the difference between the Martian and Terrestrial atmospheres is the scale height. The rate at which pressure declines with altitude is characterized by the scale height, the altitude at which pressure has dropped by a factor of "e" (nat. log. base = 2.718281828). The scale height of the Martian atmosphere is about 11 kilometers; for the Earth, it's only about 6 kilometers. The formula for the scale height is H = ( k * T ) / ( M * g ), where k = Gas constant = 8.314 J?(mole K)^-1, T = mean planetary surface temperature in Kelvin degrees, M = mean molecular mass of dry air (units kg?mole^-1), g = acceleration due to gravity on planetary surface. Molecular mass of the Martian atmosphere is about 50% greater then the Earth's "M," but "g" is only 38% of the Earth's. Planets with lower gravity have "taller" atmospheres, if you want to remember it the easy way. There are always "wrinkles" to ideal gas formulas. At very high altitudes, the "air" is so thin that diffusion is easy, so every species of gas molecule has "its own" scale height nearer the top of the atmosphere. But Mars' atmosphere is almost entirely carbon dioxide, so that factor doesn't change the results much. Atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars varies from around 30 Pascals on Olympus Mons to over 1155 Pascals in the depths of Hellas Planitia, with a mean surface level pressure of 600 Pascals. This is less than 1% of the surface pressure on Earth (101,300 Pascals). The equivalent pressure in the atmospheres of the two planets can be found in Mars' thin atmosphere at a height of 34-35 km, where the pressure is the same above either planet's surface. Here's where it gets to be fun. The Martian atmosphere at 60 to 80 kilometers above the surface, or 100 kilometers, is DENSER than the atmosphere of the Earth at that height. And that is the range of heights at which most meteors "light up" or begin to ablate. In fact, all Martian atmospheric densities at altitudes above 34 kilometers are greater than the density of the Earth's atmosphere at the same height, due to the fact that the pressure falls off less steeply than is the case in the Earth's atmosphere. So, the meteoroid that would "light up" at 60 km in the Earth's atmosphere, will presumably "light up" at a higher altitude in the Martian atmosphere. It may very well be slowed enough to terminate its ablative flight at a higher altitude on Mars than the Earth because of the increased density above 34 kilometers. But it would likely "stagnate" at a lower altitude (for the same reason of density), then have a shorter but slower "dark fall" in the lesser Martian gravity. For "normal" meteoritic fall, the problem becomes "Watch that bottom step; it's a doozy!" But by the time the smaller meteorite encounters (IF it survives that deep) the lower atmosphere where the density is less than in Earth's atmosphere, it's usually already lost most of its "cosmic" velocity and is traveling at sub-sonic speeds. (The speed of sound is of course different for Mars' atmosphere also.) It is in the most survivable phase of it re-entry by then. However, if the newly-arrived meteoroid is a lenticular or even rectangular "chip" (helpfully arriving a low entry angle and/or a slower-than-usual entry velocity), it will tend to stabilize in flight. First surface ablation only improves its aerodynamic characteristics. So, when one says that for such a landing, it is necessary that Mars have a more substantial atmosphere, well... The fact is that Mars HAS a more substantial atmosphere than the Earth, at least above 34 km. And that's where all the action is... or most of it. I'm quite certain that Mars has as many or more meteors in its skies than the Earth. Besides having a more dense upper atmosphere, Mars is in the right neighborhood for stray rocks. Shower meteors in the skies of Mars have been photographed by the Spirit rover: http://www.obspm.fr/actual/nouvelle/jun05/meteor.en.shtml As for not finding any "other meteorites" as big as this one, we've found how many? ONE other meteorite, I believe. Pretty small sample to generalize from, don't you think? And we've searched how much of the planet's surface? I understand that the official NASA position is that a thicker atmosphere is required: http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-10-2009/0005075085&EDATE= "Scientists calculate it is too massive to have hit the ground without disintegrating unless Mars had a much thicker atmosphere than it has now." Ah, yes, "scientists calculate..." The press release has spoken. Sterling K. Webb ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Korotev" To: Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D > Carl et al. > > Regarding the Block Island meteorite on Mars... > > I asked "Why does it have regmaglypts?" of our local Mars expert, Ray > Arvidson, who is Deputy Principal Investigator of the Mars Exploration > Rover Mission. He had mentioned the existence of the meteorite to me > several weeks ago. He said that the fall happened "4 billion years > ago," when Mars had a more substantial atmosphere. This makes sense > to me because we've never seen a meteorite this size on the Moon. On > the Moon meteoroids impact at several tens of kilometers per second, > and vaporize. In order to survive as a whole rock, Block Island must > have been decelerated by an atmosphere. (I'm sure that meteoroids > hitting Mars are impacting at lower velocities than those hitting > Earth-Moon, but I don't know the numbers.) > > The area where the meteorite was found is a deflation surface - like > Roosevelt Co., NM, and places in Antarctica. It was buried for a long > time and then exposed when the dust blew away. They know it's a > deflation surface because the surface is "young" - the crater count is > very low. > > Only after writing the above did I find some 3D glasses and actually > looked at the image. Most of the "holes" don't look so much like > regmaglypts to me. Maybe some are chemical weathering features. > There will probably be some more info about this meteorite coming out > later. Ray said that there is a great interest on what kind of > chemical reactions it's experienced. > > Randy Korotev > Washington University > > > > > At 11:54 07-08-09 Friday, you wrote: >>Pete, List, >>Very interesting photo. >>I have a question about it's morphology? >>Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? >>Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I >>thought Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of >>surface materials? It was my understanding that the material ablated >>away as it passed through the atmosphere . If that is so then why does >>it look the same on Mars. >>Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it >>entered Mars' atmosphere? >>Just curious. >>-- >>Carl or Debbie Esparza >>IMCA 5829 >>Meteoritemax >> >> >>---- Pete Pete wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi, all, >> > >> > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! >> > >> > (note the full resolution link) >> > >> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> > >> > >> > It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Pete >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! >> > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 >> > ______________________________________________ >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 23:10:15 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:10:15 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> <200908101750.n7AHoXO04351@levee.wustl.edu> Message-ID: That was an enlightening read, Sterling. :) Thanks for the detailed explanation! On 8/10/09, Sterling K. Webb wrote: > Hi, Randy, List, > > Timorous about questioning "experts," local or otherwise, > I find the notion that a meteorite could sit on (or near) the > surface of Mars undisturbed for four billion years to be most > unlikely, also the assumption that there was no denser > atmosphere for the last four billion years, also the assumption > that a denser atmosphere is required. I also feel that there's > a misconception about meteoritic re-entry here. > > Common sense makes us want to question the "soft landing" > of any iron meteorite, but every surficial iron meteorite cannot > be excavated or exposed from any great depth. First, only very > slow (relatively) moving objects penetrate the soil rather than > vaporize, so the depth of burial is always shallow. Second, one > has only to look at HOBA, now weighing in at 60 tons, but > estimated to have been 100 tons at landing (from the quantity > of iron shale in a roughly circular disc surrounding it. Presumably, > at "landing," it had a shape very much like the Martian iron > in question (but a lot bigger), and its thinner edges have oxidized > away, leaving the present "blocky" core. > > How did a 100 ton chuck of iron make a soft landing on the > Earth? (You tell me how HOBA did it; I'll tell you how BLOCK > ISLAND did it.) The answer is: "it flew," like the Space Shuttle > "flies" (my candidate for Scariest Glider of All Time, except for > the WWII Soviet "Flying Tank"). It flew at a steep angle, yes, > but it flew. > > Flight depends on the atmosphere, and the chief factor in > the difference between the Martian and Terrestrial atmospheres > is the scale height. The rate at which pressure declines with > altitude is characterized by the scale height, the altitude at > which pressure has dropped by a factor of "e" (nat. log. base = > 2.718281828). The scale height of the Martian atmosphere > is about 11 kilometers; for the Earth, it's only about 6 kilometers. > > The formula for the scale height is H = ( k * T ) / ( M * g ), > where k = Gas constant = 8.314 J?(mole K)^-1, T = mean > planetary surface temperature in Kelvin degrees, M = mean > molecular mass of dry air (units kg?mole^-1), g = acceleration > due to gravity on planetary surface. > > Molecular mass of the Martian atmosphere is about 50% greater > then the Earth's "M," but "g" is only 38% of the Earth's. Planets with > lower gravity have "taller" atmospheres, if you want to remember > it the easy way. There are always "wrinkles" to ideal gas formulas. > At very high altitudes, the "air" is so thin that diffusion is easy, > so every species of gas molecule has "its own" scale height nearer > the top of the atmosphere. But Mars' atmosphere is almost entirely > carbon dioxide, so that factor doesn't change the results much. > > Atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars varies from around > 30 Pascals on Olympus Mons to over 1155 Pascals in the depths > of Hellas Planitia, with a mean surface level pressure of 600 Pascals. > This is less than 1% of the surface pressure on Earth (101,300 > Pascals). The equivalent pressure in the atmospheres of the two > planets can be found in Mars' thin atmosphere at a height of > 34-35 km, where the pressure is the same above either planet's > surface. > > Here's where it gets to be fun. The Martian atmosphere at 60 > to 80 kilometers above the surface, or 100 kilometers, is DENSER > than the atmosphere of the Earth at that height. And that is the > range of heights at which most meteors "light up" or begin to ablate. > In fact, all Martian atmospheric densities at altitudes above 34 > kilometers are greater than the density of the Earth's atmosphere > at the same height, due to the fact that the pressure falls off less > steeply than is the case in the Earth's atmosphere. > > So, the meteoroid that would "light up" at 60 km in the Earth's > atmosphere, will presumably "light up" at a higher altitude in the > Martian atmosphere. It may very well be slowed enough to terminate > its ablative flight at a higher altitude on Mars than the Earth because > of the increased density above 34 kilometers. But it would likely > "stagnate" at a lower altitude (for the same reason of density), then > have a shorter but slower "dark fall" in the lesser Martian gravity. > > For "normal" meteoritic fall, the problem becomes "Watch that > bottom step; it's a doozy!" But by the time the smaller meteorite > encounters (IF it survives that deep) the lower atmosphere where > the density is less than in Earth's atmosphere, it's usually already > lost most of its "cosmic" velocity and is traveling at sub-sonic speeds. > (The speed of sound is of course different for Mars' atmosphere > also.) It is in the most survivable phase of it re-entry by then. > > However, if the newly-arrived meteoroid is a lenticular or even > rectangular "chip" (helpfully arriving a low entry angle and/or a > slower-than-usual entry velocity), it will tend to stabilize in flight. > First surface ablation only improves its aerodynamic characteristics. > So, when one says that for such a landing, it is necessary that Mars > have a more substantial atmosphere, well... The fact is that Mars > HAS a more substantial atmosphere than the Earth, at least above > 34 km. And that's where all the action is... or most of it. > > I'm quite certain that Mars has as many or more meteors in its > skies than the Earth. Besides having a more dense upper atmosphere, > Mars is in the right neighborhood for stray rocks. Shower meteors > in the skies of Mars have been photographed by the Spirit rover: > http://www.obspm.fr/actual/nouvelle/jun05/meteor.en.shtml > > As for not finding any "other meteorites" as big as this one, we've > found how many? ONE other meteorite, I believe. Pretty small sample > to generalize from, don't you think? And we've searched how much > of the planet's surface? > > I understand that the official NASA position is that a thicker > atmosphere is required: > http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-10-2009/0005075085&EDATE= > "Scientists calculate it is too massive to have hit the ground without > disintegrating unless Mars had a much thicker atmosphere than it > has now." Ah, yes, "scientists calculate..." The press release has > spoken. > > > Sterling K. Webb > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Korotev" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D > > >> Carl et al. >> >> Regarding the Block Island meteorite on Mars... >> >> I asked "Why does it have regmaglypts?" of our local Mars expert, Ray >> Arvidson, who is Deputy Principal Investigator of the Mars Exploration >> Rover Mission. He had mentioned the existence of the meteorite to me >> several weeks ago. He said that the fall happened "4 billion years >> ago," when Mars had a more substantial atmosphere. This makes sense >> to me because we've never seen a meteorite this size on the Moon. On >> the Moon meteoroids impact at several tens of kilometers per second, >> and vaporize. In order to survive as a whole rock, Block Island must >> have been decelerated by an atmosphere. (I'm sure that meteoroids >> hitting Mars are impacting at lower velocities than those hitting >> Earth-Moon, but I don't know the numbers.) >> >> The area where the meteorite was found is a deflation surface - like >> Roosevelt Co., NM, and places in Antarctica. It was buried for a long >> time and then exposed when the dust blew away. They know it's a >> deflation surface because the surface is "young" - the crater count is >> very low. >> >> Only after writing the above did I find some 3D glasses and actually >> looked at the image. Most of the "holes" don't look so much like >> regmaglypts to me. Maybe some are chemical weathering features. >> There will probably be some more info about this meteorite coming out >> later. Ray said that there is a great interest on what kind of >> chemical reactions it's experienced. >> >> Randy Korotev >> Washington University >> >> >> >> >> At 11:54 07-08-09 Friday, you wrote: >>>Pete, List, >>>Very interesting photo. >>>I have a question about it's morphology? >>>Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? >>>Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I >>>thought Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of >>>surface materials? It was my understanding that the material ablated >>>away as it passed through the atmosphere . If that is so then why does >>>it look the same on Mars. >>>Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it >>>entered Mars' atmosphere? >>>Just curious. >>>-- >>>Carl or Debbie Esparza >>>IMCA 5829 >>>Meteoritemax >>> >>> >>>---- Pete Pete wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi, all, >>> > >>> > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! >>> > >>> > (note the full resolution link) >>> > >>> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >>> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >>> > >>> > >>> > It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. >>> > >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Pete >>> > _________________________________________________________________ >>> > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! >>> > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 >>> > ______________________________________________ >>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> > Meteorite-list mailing list >>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>______________________________________________ >>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>Meteorite-list mailing list >>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From pshugar at clearwire.net Mon Aug 10 23:54:47 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:54:47 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Nasa Touts Kepler probe discoveries Message-ID: <02E6666D3C3B40268A0C6E9DD1693D76@laptop> List, In the Sunday edition of the Amarillo Globe-News on page 21A is a very nice article on the Kepler Probe. This device has the finest light detection system of any instrument in orbit by a factor of over 100 times over anything ground based. This means it can detect the difference in light intensity from a solar system that is in the constellation Cygnus with a Jupiter class planet that passes in front of the star (a transit of the sun). The planet is called HAT-P-7b. All in all, a fine tool to explore the universe. It may even be able to help answer the age old question: "Are we alone?" Pete IMCA 1733 From cynapse at charter.net Tue Aug 11 02:02:08 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:02:08 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> <200908101750.n7AHoXO04351@levee.wustl.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:41:22 -0500, you wrote: > As for not finding any "other meteorites" as big as this one, we've >found how many? ONE other meteorite, I believe. More than two total: Following the identification of Heat Shield rock as a meteorite, two additional nickel-iron meteorites were identified by the Spirit rover (unofficially named "Allan Hills" and "Zhong Shan"), and several candidate stony meteorites have been identified on Mars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_Shield_Rock From drtanuki at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 02:06:59 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Matt Morgan on 9 News DENVER- Meteorites Message-ID: <595797.24127.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo From mike at meteoriteguy.com Tue Aug 11 10:42:18 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Bells CM2 ending tonight on ebay Message-ID: <711929.22114.qm@web1101.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I have more than 50 one-cent ebay meteorites ending tonight. Many very nice items this week, including the rarest of the rare, BElls CM2 meteorite. See all available items at the link below, there are way too many to list here. http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/ Thanks Michael Farmer From cynapse at charter.net Tue Aug 11 15:22:06 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:22:06 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Block Island and the Boffins In-Reply-To: <02E6666D3C3B40268A0C6E9DD1693D76@laptop> References: <02E6666D3C3B40268A0C6E9DD1693D76@laptop> Message-ID: This is a different shot of Block Island than I've seen before: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/11/block_island_in_close/ "Boffin" is apparenlty foriegn for "scientist." Not to be confused with a "bloody wanker git." From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Tue Aug 11 15:37:53 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Mineral Made in the Lab (Wadsleyite) Message-ID: <200908111937.n7BJbrV3003107@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8194292.stm Meteorite mineral made in the lab By Victoria Gill BBC News August 11, 2009 By slamming materials together, scientists have made a mineral that is found naturally only in meteorites and the deep layers of Earth's mantle. Their successful "shock" experiment reveals new clues about the formation of our early Solar System. The team report the production of the mineral wadsleyite in the journal PNAS. Its creation in the lab shows that objects that collided to form the planets may have been far smaller than previously thought. This could aid understanding of how the dust and gas that made up our Solar System around 4.6 billion years ago fused into planets. The team, led by Thomas Ahrens at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), in Pasadena, recreated early Solar System collisions in the laboratory by launching a bullet down a long gun at two materials - magnesium oxide and silicon dioxide (or quartz). The two materials were embedded in a steel recovery chamber, bolted to the muzzle of the gun. "We launched a tantalum bullet that struck the steel chamber and generated a shock wave that travelled through the steel and into the sample," explained Paul Asimow, an author of the study, also a researcher at Caltech. "As [the wave] propagated through the material, it generated high pressures and high temperatures for a very short time." By sawing the steel chamber in half, the scientists were able to recover the sample and examine what they had created using a series of sensitive analytical techniques. "We confirmed, using scanning electron microscopy, that it was wadsleyite. And that also allowed us to determine the size of the grains," said Dr Asimow. "That's a key part of our study - we not only made wadsleyite, we made grains of it that were at least a few micrometres (a few thousandths of a millimetre) in size." Short shock Previous experiments have succeeded in making wadsleyite, but these efforts involved putting samples under very high pressures for long periods. This is the first time the mineral has been made in a shock experiment. Dr Asimow explained that, prior to this, most scientists believed that the mineral took a relatively long time to make - and that the meteorites containing it would have to be subjected to high pressures for a few seconds. Here, the researchers made it in a microsecond - or one millionth of a second. "These shock waves travel at speeds in the order of 10km per second, so in order to stay at high pressure for a whole second, you would need to run together two things that are 10km in diameter," said Dr Asimow. Creating the mineral within a microsecond shows that the pressure necessary to create it could be generated by the impact of objects just a few metres in diameter. "Everything about 4.6 billion years ago was gas and dust, but somehow we ended up with large planets," said Dr Asimow. "Those dust particles accreted into larger and larger objects. And, it's important for us to understand that process to understand the geochemistry of the Earth." Douglas Rumble, a geophysicist from The Carnegie Institution of Washington said: "One now has to consider whether shock features in meteorites could have been caused by small or large collisions." "The next step is to do more experiments and try additional techniques that give [very high] resolution so we can understand the shapes and microstructures... of the wadsleyite crystals." From mlblood at cox.net Tue Aug 11 16:42:41 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:42:41 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can u post to the list for me I've updated the news on qmig.org to give an idea where I'm heading for the next week or so - I have some lovely pix of the Miles and Arrabury main masses to upload - also some of the lab data from Miles - maybe even some ancient newspaper articles on the Rockhampton meteorite Once I get that out of the way I can back to my plan of some serious horsetrading with museums and then the QMIG collection will be getting something very very special as well as more main mass pix to upload and methinx a lot more articles Still a lot of projects in motion, on the backburner or on autopilot but everything plods away in its own time Tell the list that Steve ARNOLD (Chicago) is unhelpful if not uncivil just in case they don't already know Must be time for him to put his foot in his mouth again and be thrown off the list again... Cheers From bencubbin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 17:27:56 2009 From: bencubbin at hotmail.com (Howard Steffic) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:27:56 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Was it necessary for you to post the comment about Steve Arnold? YOU should be thrown off the list Michael for forwarding such crap to this list. It is bad enough that everyone jumps down Steve's throat themselves without you forwarding for someone who for some reason can not post to the list. Thanks for the spam. Howard Steffic > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:42:41 -0700 > From: mlblood at cox.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker > > Can u post to the list for me > > I've updated the news on qmig.org to give an idea where I'm heading for the > next week or so - I have some lovely pix of the Miles and Arrabury main > masses > to upload - also some of the lab data from Miles - maybe even some ancient > newspaper articles on the Rockhampton meteorite > > Once I get that out of the way I can back to my plan of some serious > horsetrading with museums and then the QMIG collection will be getting > something very very special as well as more main mass pix to upload and > methinx a lot more articles > > Still a lot of projects in motion, on the backburner or on autopilot but > everything plods away in its own time > > Tell the list that Steve ARNOLD (Chicago) is unhelpful if not uncivil just > in > case they don't already know > > Must be time for him to put his foot in his mouth again and be thrown off > the > list again... > > Cheers > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 From geoking at notkin.net Tue Aug 11 18:10:58 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:10:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites Message-ID: <753D6533-8A74-46F7-9C85-792BACFCE991@notkin.net> Dear Listees: A friendly reminder that the Perseids are expected to peak tonight/ tomorrow morning for those of you who are enjoying clear skies. It is unusually cloudy in Tucson at the moment. Overseas members and those who don't get Science Channel, may enjoy watching a series of video excerpts from "Meteorite Men," currently featured as "Top Video" on the front page of the Science Channel website: http://science.discovery.com You can also find viewing tips for the Perseids, a meteor/meteorite quiz, and a rather well done "Top 10 Meteorites" section on the Science site. They have been busy! http://science.discovery.com/space/meteors/meteors.html?campaign=sci-int-hp-dl2-meteor87 Regards, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org www.tucsoncitizen.com/lizard From gmhupe at htn.net Tue Aug 11 19:02:30 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:02:30 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites References: <753D6533-8A74-46F7-9C85-792BACFCE991@notkin.net> Message-ID: <969E3629563F4BCBAF9BE1BBD3F28789@Gregor> Hi Geoff and List, Couldn't find the "Top 10 Meteorites"..., 'Perseids' (per-say)... yes, pun-fun intended! :-), but I did find this great Top 10 on Science Channel (check out #1, now we can all appreciate that!): http://science.discovery.com/top-ten/2009/duct-tape/duct-tape.html Hope anyone who can look up at the sky tonight gets to see a few shooting stars!! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Notkin" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight,"Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites > Dear Listees: > > A friendly reminder that the Perseids are expected to peak tonight/ > tomorrow morning for those of you who are enjoying clear skies. It is > unusually cloudy in Tucson at the moment. > > Overseas members and those who don't get Science Channel, may enjoy > watching a series of video excerpts from "Meteorite Men," currently > featured as "Top Video" on the front page of the Science Channel website: > > http://science.discovery.com > > > You can also find viewing tips for the Perseids, a meteor/meteorite quiz, > and a rather well done "Top 10 Meteorites" section on the Science site. > They have been busy! > > http://science.discovery.com/space/meteors/meteors.html?campaign=sci-int-hp-dl2-meteor87 > > > Regards, > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > www.tucsoncitizen.com/lizard > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From geoking at notkin.net Tue Aug 11 19:16:25 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:16:25 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites In-Reply-To: <969E3629563F4BCBAF9BE1BBD3F28789@Gregor> References: <753D6533-8A74-46F7-9C85-792BACFCE991@notkin.net> <969E3629563F4BCBAF9BE1BBD3F28789@Gregor> Message-ID: <051FE4F3-3E79-46E9-B959-012CFC5AD6D9@notkin.net> Dear Greg: Thanks for the reply. Sorry, there are a bunch of links connected from that one page and I didn't specify which was which : ) Here is the "Top 10 Meteorites" section: http://science.discovery.com/top-ten/2009/meteors/meteors.html Cheers, Geoff From meteorites at online.nl Tue Aug 11 19:19:47 2009 From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:19:47 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites In-Reply-To: <969E3629563F4BCBAF9BE1BBD3F28789@Gregor> References: <753D6533-8A74-46F7-9C85-792BACFCE991@notkin.net> <969E3629563F4BCBAF9BE1BBD3F28789@Gregor> Message-ID: <9C4A743DF6BF41A190529605342F4FB8@laptop> 01.14 midnight here in Holland, So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour. Guess it's not to much firework so far.... Good luck tonight for the ones who live in the real dark areas in the west !! Jan, Holland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Hupe" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight,"Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites > Hi Geoff and List, > > Couldn't find the "Top 10 Meteorites"..., 'Perseids' (per-say)... yes, > pun-fun intended! :-), but I did find this great Top 10 on Science Channel > (check out #1, now we can all appreciate that!): > http://science.discovery.com/top-ten/2009/duct-tape/duct-tape.html > > Hope anyone who can look up at the sky tonight gets to see a few shooting > stars!! > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Notkin" > To: "Meteorite List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:10 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight,"Meteorite Men" videos on > Science > site, Top 10 Meteorites > > >> Dear Listees: >> >> A friendly reminder that the Perseids are expected to peak tonight/ >> tomorrow morning for those of you who are enjoying clear skies. It is >> unusually cloudy in Tucson at the moment. >> >> Overseas members and those who don't get Science Channel, may enjoy >> watching a series of video excerpts from "Meteorite Men," currently >> featured as "Top Video" on the front page of the Science Channel >> website: >> >> http://science.discovery.com >> >> >> You can also find viewing tips for the Perseids, a meteor/meteorite >> quiz, >> and a rather well done "Top 10 Meteorites" section on the Science site. >> They have been busy! >> >> http://science.discovery.com/space/meteors/meteors.html?campaign=sci-int-hp-dl2-meteor87 >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Geoff N. >> >> www.aerolite.org >> www.meteoritemen.com >> www.meteoriteblog.org >> www.tucsoncitizen.com/lizard >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00 From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Tue Aug 11 19:25:26 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 11 Aug 2009 23:25:26 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight Message-ID: Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so far :-( It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was able to see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big Dipper, and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no Perseids :-( > Guess it's not too much firework so far A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs UT, which translates into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow morning for us here in Europe. Best from cloudy Southern Germany, Bernd From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 19:48:33 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:48:33 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Silicated Campo question Message-ID: Hi All, What are those silicated Campos? Are they irons that have not yet completed it's differentiation, similar to pallasites? Or are they more like mesosiderites with the silicated material from an asteroid that have impacted another asteroid to the iron core? Or are they something else? Are the two materials unrelated to each other as in mesosiderites? Doesn't matter at this point whether or not they are Campos (I remember reading somewhere they were found several hundred miles away), it's just a name anyway, but to my untrained eye they look more like mesos. Also, is the Toluca (b)(?) formed the same way? Thanks in advance. Carl _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From majbaermann at web.de Tue Aug 11 19:47:58 2009 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:47:58 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight References: Message-ID: Jan, Bernd & other Perseids aficionados , - as far as I'm informed the climax this year is expected for the night wednesday/thursday = next night. My best, Matthias ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:25 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." > > So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so far :-( > It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was able to > see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big Dipper, > and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no Perseids :-( > >> Guess it's not too much firework so far > > A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs UT, which > translates > into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow morning for us here > in Europe. > > > Best from cloudy > Southern Germany, > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteorites at online.nl Tue Aug 11 20:02:26 2009 From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:02:26 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ........So you want to give us another sleepless night Matthias? ( I actually know the "big event" will be tomorrownight but it's gonna rain here they say......sniff....) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias B?rmann" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > Jan, Bernd & other Perseids aficionados , - > > as far as I'm informed the climax this year is expected for the night > wednesday/thursday = next night. > > My best, > > Matthias > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:25 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > > >> Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." >> >> So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so far :-( >> It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was able to >> see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big Dipper, >> and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no Perseids :-( >> >>> Guess it's not too much firework so far >> >> A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs UT, which >> translates >> into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow morning for us >> here >> in Europe. >> >> >> Best from cloudy >> Southern Germany, >> >> Bernd >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00 From damoclid at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 20:10:00 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No it is tonight. See the Sky & Telescope page: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/home/52204947.html We should pass though the 1610 stream around 9UT, but there may be another, smaller peak around 5UT and the "standard peak" should be around 18UT. All of them tonight. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Matthias B?rmann wrote: > From: Matthias B?rmann > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 4:47 PM > Jan, Bernd & other Perseids > aficionados , - > > as far as I'm informed the climax this year is expected for > the night > wednesday/thursday = next night. > > My best, > > Matthias > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:25 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > > > > Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." > > > > So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so > far :-( > > It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was > able to > > see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big > Dipper, > > and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no > Perseids :-( > > > >> Guess it's not too much firework so far > > > > A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs > UT, which > > translates > > into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow > morning for us here > > in Europe. > > > > > > Best from cloudy > > Southern Germany, > > > > Bernd > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From meteorites at online.nl Tue Aug 11 20:16:45 2009 From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:16:45 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9BFF070B0E174EBFB06C627B0CD9392F@laptop> .......that's it !!.....I'm lost. I'm goin' to bed. The heck with those Perseids !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kowalski" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight No it is tonight. See the Sky & Telescope page: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/home/52204947.html We should pass though the 1610 stream around 9UT, but there may be another, smaller peak around 5UT and the "standard peak" should be around 18UT. All of them tonight. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Matthias B?rmann wrote: > From: Matthias B?rmann > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 4:47 PM > Jan, Bernd & other Perseids > aficionados , - > > as far as I'm informed the climax this year is expected for > the night > wednesday/thursday = next night. > > My best, > > Matthias > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:25 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > > > > Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." > > > > So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so > far :-( > > It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was > able to > > see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big > Dipper, > > and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no > Perseids :-( > > > >> Guess it's not too much firework so far > > > > A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs > UT, which > > translates > > into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow > morning for us here > > in Europe. > > > > > > Best from cloudy > > Southern Germany, > > > > Bernd > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00 From mike at meteoriteguy.com Tue Aug 11 20:22:20 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Many items still at one cent ending in minutes Message-ID: <329885.73395.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I don't know what is up with ebay, but lots of rare meteorites still at one cent with an hour to go, including Carancas and achondrites! Go get um you guys. http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/ From damoclid at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 20:23:02 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: <9BFF070B0E174EBFB06C627B0CD9392F@laptop> Message-ID: <326720.15740.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Now I should also say that it may be "tomorrow night" for those of you who live ahead of Universal Time, in the Eastern Hemisphere... As I write this the date and time is 00:20 UT on August 12th, though the local time here in Tucson is 17:20 MST on August 11th, , so the "standard peak" is still 18 hours away, during the daytime "tomorrow"... Yes it can be confusing, which is why astronomers use UT (Universal Time) so we don't miss events because we live our daily lives on "local" time... -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Jan Bartels wrote: > From: Jan Bartels > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > To: "Richard Kowalski" , Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 5:16 PM > .......that's it !!.....I'm lost. > I'm goin' to bed. > The heck with those Perseids !! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Kowalski" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:10 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > > > No it is tonight. > > See the Sky & Telescope page: > > http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/home/52204947.html > > We should pass though the 1610 stream around 9UT, but there > may be another, > smaller peak around 5UT and the "standard peak" should be > around 18UT. > > All of them tonight. > > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Matthias B?rmann > wrote: > > > From: Matthias B?rmann > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, > bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 4:47 PM > > Jan, Bernd & other Perseids > > aficionados , - > > > > as far as I'm informed the climax this year is > expected for > > the night > > wednesday/thursday = next night. > > > > My best, > > > > Matthias > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:25 AM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > > > > > > > Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one > hour." > > > > > > So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here > so > > far :-( > > > It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds > and was > > able to > > > see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the > Big > > Dipper, > > > and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no > > Perseids :-( > > > > > >> Guess it's not too much firework so far > > > > > > A possible surge in activity is expected for > 08-09 hrs > > UT, which > > > translates > > > into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / > tmorrow > > morning for us here > > > in Europe. > > > > > > > > > Best from cloudy > > > Southern Germany, > > > > > > Bernd > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release > Date: 08/11/09 > 06:10:00 > > From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com Tue Aug 11 20:30:21 2009 From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 1:30:21 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090812013021.1E8EW.144650.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> Hi Bernd/All, Had a spell out observing just before midight and also only saw two Persieds...clouding up now ready for the rain forecast for tomorrow...so not worth staying up for here in the UK methinks. Cheers Graham Ensor ---- bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote: > Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." > > So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so far :-( > It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was able to > see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big Dipper, > and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no Perseids :-( > > > Guess it's not too much firework so far > > A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs UT, which translates > into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow morning for us here > in Europe. > > > Best from cloudy > Southern Germany, > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From anitawestlake at att.net Tue Aug 11 20:25:10 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Symposium near Atlanta In-Reply-To: <4A7EF08D.1090006@meteorite.com> References: <4A7EF08D.1090006@meteorite.com> Message-ID: <893529.94205.qm@web83812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hey Ya'll: ?? I just wanted to give a shout out to those anywhere near Atlanta, GA this weekend. The Tellus Northwest Georgia Science Museum is sponsoring a meteorite symposium this Saturday at 10am in Cartersville, GA. Robert Ward will be one of the speakers, along with Scott Harris, crater expert and Dave Gheesling, curator of the Falling Rocks meteorite collection and all-around good guy. ? This symposium is also sponsored by the SE Chapter of the Friends of Mineralogy, and the Meteorite Association of Georgia. ? There will also be a Marty Zinn gem and mineral show around the corner at the Holiday Inn all weekend. It would be cool if I could meet some of you there! ? Please email me if you need more info. Anita From daistiho at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 20:35:14 2009 From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:35:14 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: <9BFF070B0E174EBFB06C627B0CD9392F@laptop> References: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9BFF070B0E174EBFB06C627B0CD9392F@laptop> Message-ID: We are under the remnants of Hurricane Felicia. Not a chance of seeing any Perseids tonight, unless a larger-thatn-usual remnant makes it through the cloud cover! Best~ Tracy Latimer _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From fujmon at mac.com Tue Aug 11 20:43:48 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:43:48 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: References: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9BFF070B0E174EBFB06C627B0CD9392F@laptop> Message-ID: Hey Tracy, where are you in Hawaii? Felicia is pretty much dissipated into a tropical depression, and it was sunny and clear in Hilo earlier. Another challenge besides looking for sucker holes in the clouds is the glare of a waning gibbous moon that'll rise after midnight ... just as things should start perking up for the Perseids. gary On Aug 11, 2009, at 2:35 PM, tracy latimer wrote: > > We are under the remnants of Hurricane Felicia. Not a chance of > seeing any Perseids tonight, unless a larger-thatn-usual remnant > makes it through the cloud cover! > > Best~ > Tracy Latimer > _________________________________________________________________ > Get free photo software from Windows Live > http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 20:39:10 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <559230.28691.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Is someone else off their meds again or does someone dislike folks from the southern hemisphere in general?? I don't think you have a leg to stand on, Howard, regarding lecturing others about list ethics... but Bob's dealings with The Chicago person or vice versa are known to many and I think Bob phrased it politely given the circumstance. Elton --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Howard Steffic wrote: > From: Howard Steffic > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 5:27 PM > > Was it necessary for you to post the comment about Steve > Arnold?? YOU should be thrown off the list Michael for > forwarding such crap to this list.? It is bad enough > that everyone jumps down Steve's throat themselves without > you forwarding for someone who for some reason can not post > to the list. > > Thanks for the spam. > > > Howard Steffic From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 20:39:46 2009 From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Silicated Campo question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <335203.52854.qm@web43409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Carl and all, The Woodbine IL meteorite looks a lot like the silicated Campos. It is still considered an iron and not a pallasite or mesosiderite, there are many others also. Take a look, they are near the bottom of the page: http://illinoismeteorites.com/About%20IL%20Meteorites.htm Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner ----- Original Message ---- From: Carl 's To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:48:33 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Silicated Campo question Hi All, What are those silicated Campos? Are they irons that have not yet completed it's differentiation, similar to pallasites? Or are they more like mesosiderites with the silicated material from an asteroid that have impacted another asteroid to the iron core? Or are they something else? Are the two materials unrelated to each other as in mesosiderites? Doesn't matter at this point whether or not they are Campos (I remember reading somewhere they were found several hundred miles away), it's just a name anyway, but to my untrained eye they look more like mesos. Also, is the Toluca (b)(?) formed the same way? Thanks in advance. Carl _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From fujmon at mac.com Tue Aug 11 20:16:34 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:16:34 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3072572F-6E90-4BE9-B33D-F8D703850373@mac.com> Thank you Richard for the information about peak ZHR for the various streams. The challenge this year is that the peak will take place in the glare of a waning gibbous moon. gary On Aug 11, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: > No it is tonight. > > See the Sky & Telescope page: > > http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/home/52204947.html > > We should pass though the 1610 stream around 9UT, but there may be > another, smaller peak around 5UT and the "standard peak" should be > around 18UT. > > All of them tonight. > > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Matthias B?rmann wrote: > >> From: Matthias B?rmann >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight >> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de >> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 4:47 PM >> Jan, Bernd & other Perseids >> aficionados , - >> >> as far as I'm informed the climax this year is expected for >> the night >> wednesday/thursday = next night. >> >> My best, >> >> Matthias >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:25 AM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight >> >> >>> Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." >>> >>> So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so >> far :-( >>> It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was >> able to >>> see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big >> Dipper, >>> and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no >> Perseids :-( >>> >>>> Guess it's not too much firework so far >>> >>> A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs >> UT, which >>> translates >>> into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow >> morning for us here >>> in Europe. >>> >>> >>> Best from cloudy >>> Southern Germany, >>> >>> Bernd >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 21:37:26 2009 From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? Message-ID: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello listees, I was taking pictures trying to capture a meteor on camera, I have taken a couple thousand pictures in all and have not been lucky enough to catch one yet. I did catch this the other day, I am 100% sure it is not a plane, jet or anything like that. It looks like a meteor, but the path boggles my mind. It take a path that is not 100% straight, could it still be a meteor? The beginning and the end both fade and you can see the center of the beginning is white and the possible meteor is yellow. I was out with my daught watching the sky and taking photos that night, for this particular photo I was not looking, we were talking, I did not see it until the picture was already taken. Is it possible the shape or an explosion could have changed the trajectory or could it be an illusion from the camera? http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1249955690 Any comments are welcomed and appreciated. Either here or on the forum. Best Wishhes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com From cynapse at charter.net Tue Aug 11 23:26:45 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:26:45 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? In-Reply-To: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:37:26 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > Any comments are welcomed and appreciated. Either here or on the forum. That is a dragon. Run for your life. Or, I'm guessing-- lightning bug. From mlblood at cox.net Tue Aug 11 22:22:23 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:22:23 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Howard and all, In case you don't know (and apparently you don't), Bob Walker has done a great deal for the meteorite community And for the Australian Meteorite community as well. He has conducted much research and part of that research Has included accounting for the location of this that and the other Meteoritic material. He wrote Steve several times politely asking him where he got Material he was advertizing to the list (I don't believe he thought it Was real, but he gave Steve the benefit of the doubt and was polite In his multiple requests). He got not response, whatever as a reasult. I then emailed Steve, Bob considering the possibility that his Email wasn't getting through and I politely foreworded Bob's questions And asked that Steve let me know as well, just in case HIS emails Were getting lost getting to Australia. Again, no response. I suppose that might be why he mentioned Steve's rudeness or However he put it (which was, by the way, very MILDLY STATED). I can only assume you have very limited experiences dealing with Chicago Steve. Gee, Howard, did you ever wonder why it is SO many People "dump" on Steve? Did the thought ever even cross your mind? It doesn't sound like it - instead, it sounds like you thought I should be "thrown off the list" for forewording something with so mild A comment...... Strange. Strange, indeed. Now, fact is, I personally like Steve. I take him as he is. However I am not blind to his behavior - either in relationship to me or to others. Best wishes, Michael On 8/11/09 2:27 PM, "Howard Steffic" wrote: > > Was it necessary for you to post the comment about Steve Arnold? YOU should > be thrown off the list Michael for forwarding such crap to this list. It is > bad enough that everyone jumps down Steve's throat themselves without you > forwarding for someone who for some reason can not post to the list. > > Thanks for the spam. > > > Howard Steffic > > >> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:42:41 -0700 >> From: mlblood at cox.net >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker >> >> Can u post to the list for me >> >> I've updated the news on qmig.org to give an idea where I'm heading for the >> next week or so - I have some lovely pix of the Miles and Arrabury main >> masses >> to upload - also some of the lab data from Miles - maybe even some ancient >> newspaper articles on the Rockhampton meteorite >> >> Once I get that out of the way I can back to my plan of some serious >> horsetrading with museums and then the QMIG collection will be getting >> something very very special as well as more main mass pix to upload and >> methinx a lot more articles >> >> Still a lot of projects in motion, on the backburner or on autopilot but >> everything plods away in its own time >> >> Tell the list that Steve ARNOLD (Chicago) is unhelpful if not uncivil just >> in >> case they don't already know >> >> Must be time for him to put his foot in his mouth again and be thrown off >> the >> list again... >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync > :082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Tue Aug 11 22:18:02 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:18:02 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December Message-ID: This is the first trip taken to Canada after the fall. Once there, we only had 2.25 days to hunt before shutdown snowfall occurred. It was -25 Celcius and the airline lost my luggage, so I'm wearing socks over my hands in some photos. I think I had thin gloves under the socks. At some point, I couldn't photo anymore as the batteries died of cold and our fingers hurt from exposure. Give me desert any day of the week. Most of the photos are in situ. No action, car chases, or things blowing up. Sorry. http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionDecember2008?feat=directlink I recommend you use the slideshow option and the full screen. I think we found 6 kg in two days. They stuck out nice in the white thin snow. Then we gave 1/2 to the landowner, and we sold off our half. I kept 100g of small stones for my own collection, awaiting export permit. I'll upload my Spring trip photos soon. I have many kilos coming to me when the permits clear, also. -mt www.outofabluesky.com From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 22:29:13 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:29:13 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? In-Reply-To: References: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >> ..."lightning bug." I think we have a winner! ---------------------------------------- > From: cynapse at charter.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:26:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? > > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:37:26 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >> >> Any comments are welcomed and appreciated. Either here or on the forum. > > That is a dragon. Run for your life. > > Or, I'm guessing-- lightning bug. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Stay on top of things, check email from other accounts! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671355 From bencubbin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 22:51:21 2009 From: bencubbin at hotmail.com (Howard Steffic) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:51:21 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alright then, maybe I do not know the history between Bob and Steve. I really do not care about this private matter and maybe many other list members do not car either. Do me a favor, Michael. Please review the list policies especially rule number 9. http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list.html Kind of hard to justify your forwarding email practices now, would you not agree? Howard Steffic ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:22:23 -0700 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker > From: mlblood at cox.net > To: bencubbin at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Hi Howard and all, > In case you don't know (and apparently you don't), > Bob Walker has done a great deal for the meteorite community > And for the Australian Meteorite community as well. > He has conducted much research and part of that research > Has included accounting for the location of this that and the other > Meteoritic material. > He wrote Steve several times politely asking him where he got > Material he was advertizing to the list (I don't believe he thought it > Was real, but he gave Steve the benefit of the doubt and was polite > In his multiple requests). He got not response, whatever as a reasult. > I then emailed Steve, Bob considering the possibility that his > Email wasn't getting through and I politely foreworded Bob's questions > And asked that Steve let me know as well, just in case HIS emails > Were getting lost getting to Australia. > Again, no response. > I suppose that might be why he mentioned Steve's rudeness or > However he put it (which was, by the way, very MILDLY STATED). > I can only assume you have very limited experiences dealing with > Chicago Steve. Gee, Howard, did you ever wonder why it is SO many > People "dump" on Steve? Did the thought ever even cross your mind? > It doesn't sound like it - instead, it sounds like you thought I > should be "thrown off the list" for forewording something with so mild > A comment...... Strange. Strange, indeed. > Now, fact is, I personally like Steve. I take him as he is. However > I am not blind to his behavior - either in relationship to me or to > others. > Best wishes, Michael > > > > > On 8/11/09 2:27 PM, "Howard Steffic" wrote: > >> >> Was it necessary for you to post the comment about Steve Arnold? YOU should >> be thrown off the list Michael for forwarding such crap to this list. It is >> bad enough that everyone jumps down Steve's throat themselves without you >> forwarding for someone who for some reason can not post to the list. >> >> Thanks for the spam. >> >> >> Howard Steffic >> >> >>> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:42:41 -0700 >>> From: mlblood at cox.net >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker >>> >>> Can u post to the list for me >>> >>> I've updated the news on qmig.org to give an idea where I'm heading for the >>> next week or so - I have some lovely pix of the Miles and Arrabury main >>> masses >>> to upload - also some of the lab data from Miles - maybe even some ancient >>> newspaper articles on the Rockhampton meteorite >>> >>> Once I get that out of the way I can back to my plan of some serious >>> horsetrading with museums and then the QMIG collection will be getting >>> something very very special as well as more main mass pix to upload and >>> methinx a lot more articles >>> >>> Still a lot of projects in motion, on the backburner or on autopilot but >>> everything plods away in its own time >>> >>> Tell the list that Steve ARNOLD (Chicago) is unhelpful if not uncivil just >>> in >>> case they don't already know >>> >>> Must be time for him to put his foot in his mouth again and be thrown off >>> the >>> list again... >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. >> http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync >> :082009 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM From jkg2 at cox.net Tue Aug 11 23:13:27 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:13:27 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090812031345.RULJ26684.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Sorry to jump in here but someone needs to tell Howard that his last two posts to the List ( as is this one) are in violation of List policies. Please review them yourself and quit being the List mother. John Gwilliam At 07:51 PM 8/11/2009, Howard Steffic wrote: >Alright then, maybe I do not know the history >between Bob and Steve. I really do not care >about this private matter and maybe many other list members do not car either. > >Do me a favor, Michael. Please review the list >policies especially rule number 9. > >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list.html > >Kind of hard to justify your forwarding email >practices now, would you not agree? > > >Howard Steffic > > > > > >---------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:22:23 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker > > From: mlblood at cox.net > > To: bencubbin at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > > Hi Howard and all, > > In case you don't know (and apparently you don't), > > Bob Walker has done a great deal for the meteorite community > > And for the Australian Meteorite community as well. > > He has conducted much research and part of that research > > Has included accounting for the location of this that and the other > > Meteoritic material. > > He wrote Steve several times politely asking him where he got > > Material he was advertizing to the list (I don't believe he thought it > > Was real, but he gave Steve the benefit of the doubt and was polite > > In his multiple requests). He got not response, whatever as a reasult. > > I then emailed Steve, Bob considering the possibility that his > > Email wasn't getting through and I politely foreworded Bob's questions > > And asked that Steve let me know as well, just in case HIS emails > > Were getting lost getting to Australia. > > Again, no response. > > I suppose that might be why he mentioned Steve's rudeness or > > However he put it (which was, by the way, very MILDLY STATED). > > I can only assume you have very limited experiences dealing with > > Chicago Steve. Gee, Howard, did you ever wonder why it is SO many > > People "dump" on Steve? Did the thought ever even cross your mind? > > It doesn't sound like it - instead, it sounds like you thought I > > should be "thrown off the list" for forewording something with so mild > > A comment...... Strange. Strange, indeed. > > Now, fact is, I personally like Steve. I take him as he is. However > > I am not blind to his behavior - either in relationship to me or to > > others. > > Best wishes, Michael > > > > > > > > > > On 8/11/09 2:27 PM, "Howard Steffic" wrote: > > > >> > >> Was it necessary for you to post the comment > about Steve Arnold? YOU should > >> be thrown off the list Michael for > forwarding such crap to this list. It is > >> bad enough that everyone jumps down Steve's throat themselves without you > >> forwarding for someone who for some reason can not post to the list. > >> > >> Thanks for the spam. > >> > >> > >> Howard Steffic > >> > >> > >>> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:42:41 -0700 > >>> From: mlblood at cox.net > >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker > >>> > >>> Can u post to the list for me > >>> > >>> I've updated the news on qmig.org to give > an idea where I'm heading for the > >>> next week or so - I have some lovely pix of the Miles and Arrabury main > >>> masses > >>> to upload - also some of the lab data from > Miles - maybe even some ancient > >>> newspaper articles on the Rockhampton meteorite > >>> > >>> Once I get that out of the way I can back to my plan of some serious > >>> horsetrading with museums and then the QMIG collection will be getting > >>> something very very special as well as more main mass pix to upload and > >>> methinx a lot more articles > >>> > >>> Still a lot of projects in motion, on the backburner or on autopilot but > >>> everything plods away in its own time > >>> > >>> Tell the list that Steve ARNOLD (Chicago) > is unhelpful if not uncivil just > >>> in > >>> case they don't already know > >>> > >>> Must be time for him to put his foot in his mouth again and be thrown off > >>> the > >>> list again... > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________ > >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > >> > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync > >> :082009 > >> ______________________________________________ > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your vacation photos on your phone! >http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From mike at meteoriteguy.com Tue Aug 11 23:15:10 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <313094.76104.qm@web1105.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Great photos I wish I could have been there, but I was in the Middle East with my wife and could not make it to Canada before the now fell. Hated to miss out on that massive fall, but other things took priority that time. Michael Farmer --- On Tue, 8/11/09, McCartney Taylor wrote: > From: McCartney Taylor > Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:18 PM > This is the first trip taken to > Canada after the fall. Once there, we only had 2.25 days to > hunt before shutdown snowfall occurred. It was -25 Celcius > and the airline lost my luggage, so I'm wearing socks over > my hands in some photos. I think I had thin gloves under the > socks. At some point, I couldn't photo anymore as the > batteries died of cold and our fingers hurt from exposure. > Give me desert any day of the week.? Most of the photos > are in situ. No action, car chases, or things blowing up. > Sorry. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionDecember2008?feat=directlink > > I recommend you use the slideshow option and the full > screen. > > I think we found 6 kg in two days. They stuck out nice in > the white thin snow. Then we gave 1/2 to the landowner, and > we sold off our half.? I kept 100g of small stones for > my own collection, awaiting export permit. > > I'll upload my Spring trip photos soon. I have many kilos > coming to me when the permits clear, also. > > > -mt > www.outofabluesky.com > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From nightsky55 at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 23:35:39 2009 From: nightsky55 at gmail.com (Bob King) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:35:39 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? In-Reply-To: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99c1e91a0908112035j4a66bbe7u5565f0d2c9da4cbf@mail.gmail.com> Hi Joe, I've seen these many times -- you captured a firefly in your photo! Bob On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Joe Kerchner wrote: > > Hello listees, > ? I was taking pictures trying to capture a meteor on camera, I have taken a couple thousand pictures in all and have not been lucky enough to catch one yet. I did catch this the other day, I am 100% sure it is not a plane, jet or anything like that. It looks like a meteor, but the path boggles my mind. It take a path that is not 100% straight, could it still be a meteor? The beginning and the end both fade and you can see the center of the beginning is white and the possible meteor is yellow. > ? I was out with my daught watching the sky and taking photos that night, for this particular photo I was not looking, we were talking, I did not see it until the picture was already taken. Is it possible the shape or an explosion could have changed the trajectory or could it be an illusion from the camera? > > http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1249955690 > > ? Any comments are welcomed and appreciated. Either here or on the forum. > > Best Wishhes, > Joe Kerchner > http://illinoismeteorites.com > http://skyrockcafe.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mike.hankey at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 00:33:24 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:33:24 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alternate Impact Point Resurfaces Message-ID: I had a skype conversation with Dirk Ross tonight that resulted in him sending me his google earth file for the mason dixon meteor. (don't worry dirk the other top secret stuff you were working on did not come in with the file you sent me). I have published Dirk's map in comparison to Rob Matson's & Marc Fries maps along with the back-story on my blog. http://www.mikesastrophotos.com http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/alternate-impact-point-re-surfaces/ It is scary how close dirk's impact point is to Rob & Marc's especially considering Dirk only used the York Water video and eye witness reports when he initially did his work a month ago. Dirk told me he didn't use my picture in his initial trajectory projections because of the controversy regarding its authenticity. I'm glad Rob and Marc used my picture in their projections. Nice work Dirk! These two points are crazy close. The force is strong with you. From lintonius at earthlink.net Wed Aug 12 01:43:12 2009 From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:43:12 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] - Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites Message-ID: <06985157A2D949F5BD3D6C6925E19CC1@D190TH71> Thanks Geoff! That's as much of the show as I've been able to watch so far, other than the trailer. I've got to get cable and/or the Science Channel and/or friends who have it. ;^) Thoroughly enjoyable. I felt like I was there. And now, to the Perseids... Linton ___________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:10:58 -0700 From: Notkin Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites To: Meteorite List Message-ID: <753D6533-8A74-46F7-9C85-792BACFCE991 at notkin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Dear Listees: A friendly reminder that the Perseids are expected to peak tonight/ tomorrow morning for those of you who are enjoying clear skies. It is unusually cloudy in Tucson at the moment. Overseas members and those who don't get Science Channel, may enjoy watching a series of video excerpts from "Meteorite Men," currently featured as "Top Video" on the front page of the Science Channel website: http://science.discovery.com You can also find viewing tips for the Perseids, a meteor/meteorite quiz, and a rather well done "Top 10 Meteorites" section on the Science site. They have been busy! http://science.discovery.com/space/meteors/meteors.html?campaign=sci-int-hp-dl2-meteor87 Regards, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org www.tucsoncitizen.com/lizard From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Wed Aug 12 09:39:25 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:39:25 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 12, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_12_2009.html __________________________ From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Wed Aug 12 11:22:59 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:22:59 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: McCartney: Very nice set of pics and congratulations on all your finds. I have been in that region of Canada in the middle of winter (~40 C)... brrrr. It is a very harsh environment. I would take the desert any day too. Thanks for sharing. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:18:02 -0500 > From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > CC: > Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December > > This is the first trip taken to Canada after the fall. Once there, we only had 2.25 days to hunt before shutdown snowfall occurred. It was -25 Celcius and the airline lost my luggage, so I'm wearing socks over my hands in some photos. I think I had thin gloves under the socks. At some point, I couldn't photo anymore as the batteries died of cold and our fingers hurt from exposure. Give me desert any day of the week. Most of the photos are in situ. No action, car chases, or things blowing up. Sorry. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionDecember2008?feat=directlink > > I recommend you use the slideshow option and the full screen. > > I think we found 6 kg in two days. They stuck out nice in the white thin snow. Then we gave 1/2 to the landowner, and we sold off our half. I kept 100g of small stones for my own collection, awaiting export permit. > > I'll upload my Spring trip photos soon. I have many kilos coming to me when the permits clear, also. > > > -mt > www.outofabluesky.com > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Wed Aug 12 11:27:35 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:27:35 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It was -40 C when I was in Canada. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com > To: mccartney at blackbearddata.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:22:59 -0700 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December > > > > > > > > > > McCartney: > > Very nice set of pics and congratulations on all your finds. > I have been in that region of Canada in the middle of winter (~40 C)... brrrr. It is a very harsh environment. I would take the desert any day too. > > Thanks for sharing. > > Greg S. > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:18:02 -0500 >> From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> CC: >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December >> >> This is the first trip taken to Canada after the fall. Once there, we only had 2.25 days to hunt before shutdown snowfall occurred. It was -25 Celcius and the airline lost my luggage, so I'm wearing socks over my hands in some photos. I think I had thin gloves under the socks. At some point, I couldn't photo anymore as the batteries died of cold and our fingers hurt from exposure. Give me desert any day of the week. Most of the photos are in situ. No action, car chases, or things blowing up. Sorry. >> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionDecember2008?feat=directlink >> >> I recommend you use the slideshow option and the full screen. >> >> I think we found 6 kg in two days. They stuck out nice in the white thin snow. Then we gave 1/2 to the landowner, and we sold off our half. I kept 100g of small stones for my own collection, awaiting export permit. >> >> I'll upload my Spring trip photos soon. I have many kilos coming to me when the permits clear, also. >> >> >> -mt >> www.outofabluesky.com >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From cynapse at charter.net Wed Aug 12 13:01:14 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:01:14 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Some nice crater images In-Reply-To: <492923.30944.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <492923.30944.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/08/impactcraters/ From damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 12:09:20 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Some nice crater images In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <908307.39156.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very cool. For those with Google Earth installed on your computers, you can explore these and more impact structures. Go to the MPML file section: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mpml/files/ and scroll down to the Craters___Impact_Sites.kmz link. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Darren Garrison wrote: > From: Darren Garrison > Subject: [meteorite-list] Some nice crater images > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 10:01 AM > http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/08/impactcraters/ > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 12:37:32 2009 From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? In-Reply-To: <99c1e91a0908112035j4a66bbe7u5565f0d2c9da4cbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <99c1e91a0908112035j4a66bbe7u5565f0d2c9da4cbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <640992.91995.qm@web43403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks, I never thought of that. I'm sure you guys are correct, Thanks. Best, Joe K ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob King To: Joe Kerchner ; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:35:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? Hi Joe, I've seen these many times -- you captured a firefly in your photo! Bob On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Joe Kerchner wrote: > > Hello listees, > I was taking pictures trying to capture a meteor on camera, I have taken a couple thousand pictures in all and have not been lucky enough to catch one yet. I did catch this the other day, I am 100% sure it is not a plane, jet or anything like that. It looks like a meteor, but the path boggles my mind. It take a path that is not 100% straight, could it still be a meteor? The beginning and the end both fade and you can see the center of the beginning is white and the possible meteor is yellow. > I was out with my daught watching the sky and taking photos that night, for this particular photo I was not looking, we were talking, I did not see it until the picture was already taken. Is it possible the shape or an explosion could have changed the trajectory or could it be an illusion from the camera? > > http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1249955690 > > Any comments are welcomed and appreciated. Either here or on the forum. > > Best Wishhes, > Joe Kerchner > http://illinoismeteorites.com > http://skyrockcafe.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 13:04:57 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] oriented gao Message-ID: <504381.28252.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list.I am looking for some oriented gao. I?have $500 to spend.Off list please. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Wed Aug 12 14:16:05 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:16:05 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Batch - Expedition photos Buzzard Coulee Spring Trip Message-ID: <4da4dae7013f4e16a808efefc1e4d9a1@ucv1.vhostdns.com> After I received word that the snow was melting I immediately flew up to Canada to continue the recovery effort. I pushed hard each day to get the most out of each day. I averaged 25-30 finds per day. However, I pushed myself too hard and within 4 days I developed a cough and fever. I laid low for a few days and my fever rose and eventually I had to go to the hospital for help. After some antibiotics to fight some kind of strep, 3 days later I was drugged enough to continue my efforts after losing a week. Still had the cough, though. http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionApril2009?feat=directlink At some point during the trip, I realized that the time I took to take a photo added up and it would cost me one stone by the end of each day. So I stopped taking photos of in situ finds. By the end of the trip, I'd found over 200 stones with the smallest being 3g and the largest about 187. I broke the 4 kg mark, and walked away with 2 kg after paying the landowner his half. These will be for sale in a few months once the export permit comes. Several are oriented. Contact me. After my return, my cough got worse and I have been treated for it for 4 months. Some expeditions have a higher price to pay than others. -mt From damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 14:49:37 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Batch - Expedition photos Buzzard Coulee Spring Trip In-Reply-To: <4da4dae7013f4e16a808efefc1e4d9a1@ucv1.vhostdns.com> Message-ID: <257989.2007.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Image #51 sure is a strange looking speciman! -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 8/12/09, McCartney Taylor wrote: > From: McCartney Taylor > Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Batch - Expedition photos Buzzard Coulee Spring Trip > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 11:16 AM > After I received word that the snow > was melting I immediately flew up to Canada to continue the > recovery effort. I pushed hard each day to get the most out > of each day. I averaged 25-30 finds per day. However, I > pushed myself too hard and within 4 days I developed a cough > and fever. I laid low for a few days and my fever rose and > eventually I had to go to the hospital for help. After some > antibiotics to fight some kind of strep, 3 days later I was > drugged enough to continue my efforts after losing a week. > Still had the cough, though. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionApril2009?feat=directlink > > At some point during the trip, I realized that the time I > took to take a photo added up and it would cost me one stone > by the end of each day. So I stopped taking photos of in > situ finds. > > By the end of the trip, I'd found over 200 stones with the > smallest being 3g and the largest about 187. I broke the 4 > kg mark, and walked away with 2 kg after paying the > landowner his half. These will be for sale in a few months > once the export permit comes. Several are oriented. Contact > me. > > After my return, my cough got worse and I have been treated > for it for 4 months. Some expeditions have a higher price to > pay than others. > > -mt > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Wed Aug 12 15:06:21 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:06:21 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Who's seen Stovepiping on oriented stones? Message-ID: <2247d989a40f4927b2d40ddb409d54b9@ucv1.vhostdns.com> This is a heat shield on the bottom, and this stovepipe occurred on the back. My question is this just a odd rock feature or is the stovepiping caused by orientation? http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionApril2009#5368898892667906386 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 12 15:19:17 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Orbiter Shows Angled View of Martian Crater (MRO) Message-ID: <200908121919.n7CJJHuE013674@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-122 Mars Orbiter Shows Angled View of Martian Crater Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 12, 2009 [Image] image of Victoria Crater in the Meridiani Planum region of Mars was taken by the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter This image of Victoria Crater in the Meridiani Planum region of Mars was taken by the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter at more of a sideways angle than earlier orbital images of this crater. Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona Full image and caption TUCSON, Ariz. -- The high-resolution camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has returned a dramatic oblique view of the Martian crater that a rover explored for two years. The new view of Victoria Crater shows layers on steep crater walls, difficult to see from straight overhead, plus wheel tracks left by NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity between September 2006 and August 2008. The orbiter's High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment camera shot it at an angle comparable to looking at landscape from an airplane window. Some of the camera's earlier, less angled images of Victoria Crater aided the rover team in choosing safe routes for Opportunity and contributed to joint scientific studies. The new Victoria Crater image is available online at: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/multimedia/mro20091012a.html and as a sub-image of the full-frame image at: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_013954_1780 . Another new image from the same camera catches an active dust devil leaving a trail and casting a shadow. These whirlwinds have been a subject of investigation by Opportunity's twin rover, Spirit. The new dust devil image is available online at: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/multimedia/mro20091012b.html and as a sub-image of the full-frame image at: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_013545_1110 . The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has been studying Mars with an advanced set of instruments since 2006. It has returned more data about the planet than all other past and current missions to Mars combined. For more information about the mission, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/mro . The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is managed by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. JPL is a division of the California Institute of Technology, also in Pasadena. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. The High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment is operated by the University of Arizona, Tucson, and the instrument was built by Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., Boulder, Colo. Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov Lori Stiles 520-626-4402 University of Arizona, Tucson lstiles at u.arizona.edu 2009-122 From MeteorHntr at aol.com Wed Aug 12 15:31:43 2009 From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:31:43 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold Message-ID: Hello List, If anyone has been in contact with Mike Farmer in the last couple of months, and he has said ANYTHING negative about me or my meteorite business, please contact me directly off list. I would like to have the opportunity to share with you my side of the story. I think that is only fair. Thank you very much. Steve Arnold of "Meteorite Men" From Kevin.Howell at us.penguingroup.com Wed Aug 12 15:14:20 2009 From: Kevin.Howell at us.penguingroup.com (Howell, Kevin) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:14:20 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Christopher Cokinos New York Times piece on Perseid meteor shower In-Reply-To: <201CCF880B8AE7498CF97ECCF91C856B016C0317@USOLDTMS018.PGROOT.COM> References: <201CCF880B8AE7498CF97ECCF91C856B016C0317@USOLDTMS018.PGROOT.COM> Message-ID: <201CCF880B8AE7498CF97ECCF91C856B016C0394@USOLDTMS018.PGROOT.COM> In case you didn't see Christopher Cokinos's beautifully written Op Ed piece in yesterday's NEW YORK TIMES on the Perseid meteor shower.... it's pasted below. Dust in the (Cosmic) Wind By CHRISTOPHER COKINOS Published: August 11, 2009 Logan, Utah THE Perseid meteor shower is summer's closing act, arriving in mid-August like clockwork. For centuries, many Christians associated it with the martyred St. Lawrence, whose feast day falls on Aug. 10, so they called the display "the tears of St. Lawrence." By the mid-1800s, the Italian astronomer Giovanni Schiaparelli came to understand that meteor showers are really comet dust - the "very minute particles that they have abandoned along their orbit." Meteor showers occur when Earth intersects with these so-called debris trains at particular times of the year. In the case of the Perseids, the meteor shower that peaks Wednesday and continues this week, the dust comes from Comet Swift-Tuttle, whose remains appear to shower down from the constellation Perseus as it moves across the northern sky. Dust may seem less poetic than a saint's tears, but dust has stories to tell. The story of the solar system begins with dust: Stars died. They exploded. Their remains gathered from far distances to start again. Gravity took hold, and eventually dust, gas, ice and rocks congealed into planets and other objects like comets, which sometimes sprinkle Earth with their debris. The dust of the Perseids flares up enough to get our attention each August, because it moves through the atmosphere so quickly. Other cosmic dust takes a more gentle stroll. Because their mass is so little relative to their surface area, the smallest particles can actually find their way down to the ground. As Donald Brownlee, an astronomer at the University of Washington who studies cosmic dust particles, has noted, "If you had lettuce for lunch, you probably ate a few." In fact, as much as 40,000 tons of dust from space reaches the ground every year. Some of it contains material from stars as well as organic matter - carbon, amino acids and other building blocks of life. The Indo-European base for the word "dust" is "dhus-no," which is related to the base for "fury." That seems right. After all, it was a dizzying dust storm some five billion years ago that gave rise to the solar system and, ultimately, to us. Christopher Cokinos, a professor of English at Utah State University, is the author, most recently, of "The Fallen Sky: An Intimate History of Shooting Stars." 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We may monitor email to and from our network. *********************************************************************** From mike at meteoriteguy.com Wed Aug 12 16:26:52 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <246068.10819.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Steve, since you want to make things more public, start by explaining your side of this: Mani vs Arnold Bexar County District Clerk Bexar County Courthouse 100 Dolorosa Street, 1st Floor San Antonio, TX 78205-3002 75 page lawsuit for theft and fraud. I am sure with pending litigation you won't wish to do that though. Why is it that you pound on people with your contracts, such as when you cried about people raiding your Admire strewnfield, yet your contracts are worth less than the paper they are printed on. Tell people why you have paid the landowners nothing in Admire, so you are now kicked off of most of that land and other people have taken over the hunt. Tell people how your 8 in 8 contracts went, 3 years overdue now. Tell people how you have traded off 100 kilo Brenhams for mars rocks and not paid the landowners a penny. I am curious about another thing, in your meteorite men show, which promenantly shows an Admire strewnfild map (very very smart move there) it shows prices of 100 kilo Brenham pallasites as $125,000 value. Yet you publicly on this meteorite list try selling the same meteorites of even higher weights for $10,000, a 92% discount not even taking into. That is what I call a scam. You have spread this massive value to the world on your show, incredible inflated and unrealistic prices. Now all landowners are going to want $125,000 for a 100 kilo meteorite. All collectors are going to have to pay more for new finds since you convinced the public they can all become millionaires. You are destroying this business by ripping off landowners, and inflating prices to the public which are so far from true it isn't even funny anymore. I have spoken to people working in Admire than they inform me that because you you and the bad feelings from the landowners at not being paid in more than two years, hunters are not welcome on many farms there anymore. They think we are all conmen. How much of that ebay Admire money is going to the investors who sunk more than $50,000 into your hunts years ago and have received almost nothing back? If you clear these things up, then there will be nothing to talk about. Michael Farmer --- On Wed, 8/12/09, MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote: > From: MeteorHntr at aol.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 1:31 PM > Hello List, > > If anyone has been in contact? with Mike Farmer in the > last couple of > months, and he has said ANYTHING? negative about me or > my meteorite business, > please contact me directly off? > list.???I would like to have the opportunity > to > share with you my side? of the story.? I think > that is only fair. > > Thank you very? much. > > Steve Arnold > of "Meteorite Men"? > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From drtanuki at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 16:37:55 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] BRENHAM METEORITE LTD ETAL vs STEVEN K ARNOLD Message-ID: <217.37322.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Mike, I think that you got the lawsuit incorrectly titled according to what I just found doing a websearch. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo BRENHAM METEORITE LTD ETAL vs STEVEN K ARNOLD http://www.co.bexar.tx.us/webapps/html/DKLITDSP02.asp?txtLitIsn=0004883523 From bristolia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 16:44:57 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Canadian Impact Crater - Online PDF papers and Theses Message-ID: <193315.22141.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Henrik Westbroek, H., 1997, Seismic interpretation of two possible meteorite impact craters: White Valley, Saskatchewan and Purple Springs, Alberta. Unpublished M.S. Thesis, University of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada. http://dspace.ucalgary.ca/handle/1880/26906 https://dspace.ucalgary.ca/bitstream/1880/26906/1/31378Westbroek.pdf https://dspace.ucalgary.ca/browse-title?top=1880%2F39405 Mazur, M. J., 1999, The seismic characterization of meteorite impact structures. Unpublished M.S. Thesis, University of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada. https://dspace.ucalgary.ca/handle/1880/39754 https://dspace.ucalgary.ca/bitstream/1880/39754/1/49711Mazur.pdf https://dspace.ucalgary.ca/browse-title?top=1880%2F39405 Mazur, Michael J. , Robert R. Stewart, Alan R. Hildebrand, Don C. Lawton, and Hans-Hendrik Westbroek, 2000, Seismic characterization of impact craters. CSEG Recorder. vol. 25, no. 6, pp. 10, 12-16. http://www.cseg.ca/publications/recorder/2000/06jun/jun00-impact-craters.pdf http://www.cseg.ca/publications/recorder/2000/06jun.cfm Mazur, Michael J. , Robert R. Stewart, Alan R. Hildebrand, Don C. Lawton, and Hans-Hendrik Westbroek, 1999, Seismic characterization of impact craters: A summary. CREWES Research Report. vol. 11, Chap 54. (Department of Geoscience, University of Calgary) http://www.crewes.org/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/1999/1999-54.pdf http://www.crewes.org/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/reports.php?year=1999 http://www.crewes.org/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/abstract.php?file=/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/1999/1999-54.pdf Westbroek, Hans-Henrik, and Robert R. Stewart, 1996, The formation, morphology, and economic potential of meteorite impact craters. CREWES Research Report. Chap. 34. (Department of Geoscience, University of Calgary) http://www.crewes.org/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/1996/1996-34.pdf http://www.crewes.org/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/reports.php?year=1996 http://www.crewes.org/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/abstract.php?file=/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/1996/1996-34.pdf Yours, Paul H. From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Wed Aug 12 16:55:28 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 12 Aug 2009 20:55:28 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Meteorite Expedition - April 2009 Message-ID: > This piece is oriented. You are looking at a > stovepipe feature on the back side (leeward). What does the front side look like? Bernd From fujmon at mac.com Wed Aug 12 17:10:57 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:10:57 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Meteorite Expedition - April 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My question too. With a backside that looks like that, the front has to be drop dead gorgeous! Sent from Gary's iPhone On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:55 AM, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote: >> This piece is oriented. You are looking at a >> stovepipe feature on the back side (leeward). > > What does the front side look like? > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From bristolia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 17:11:11 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Velingara circular structure Message-ID: <722621.97577.qm@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wade, S., Barbieri, M., and Lichtenegger, J., 2001, Focus Earth: the Velingara circular structure - a meteorite impact crater? ESA Bulletinm no. 106, pp. 135 ? 139. http://www.esa.int/esapub/bulletin/bullet106/bul106_13.pdf http://www.esa.int/esapub/pi/bulletinPI.htm Yours, Paul From anitawestlake at att.net Wed Aug 12 19:14:27 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: 2nd Batch - Expedition photos Buzzard Coulee Spring Trip In-Reply-To: <257989.2007.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <257989.2007.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <929532.14206.qm@web83804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Yes, it's strange alright, but it does have great flow lines and two black, glassy inclusions. Anita ________________________________ From: Richard Kowalski To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; mccartney at blackbearddata.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:49:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Batch - Expedition photos Buzzard Coulee Spring Trip Image #51 sure is a strange looking speciman! -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From mike at meteoriteguy.com Wed Aug 12 19:22:22 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: ALBIN, Santa Rosa, and NEW Bencubbinite Message-ID: <412706.49815.qm@web1108.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Hello list members. I have done a major list update today, adding three very rare meteorites. I just completed an exchange yesterday with ASU and got a nice amount of Albin Pallasite cut from Nininger's main mass. Incredible piece, all large slices with polished and etched faces, museum quality preparation. Very historic pieces with great provenance. I also loaded some partslices of the Santa Rosa Colombia iron, very rare type and historic meteorite. Last but certainly not lease, I loaded a new Bencubbinite, even possible new type of meteorite as the classification is under intense debate among the scientists studying it. I can not wait any longer to start selling though, as I invested a serious amount of money in that meteorite. See all of the pages below. I have other pieces of the CB as well as what is listed, so do not hesitate to ask for a size not listed. http://meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa5492.htm http://meteoriteguy.com/catalog/albin.htm http://meteoriteguy.com/catalog/santarosa.htm Michael Farmer From mike at meteoriteguy.com Wed Aug 12 19:55:04 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 5492 Message-ID: <324700.87793.qm@web1105.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I have got some questions about the photos. All pieces were wire-saw cut in Germany by Achim Karl. All pieces still have saw marks, they are not polished. I did polish a piece and it does not look as nice, as it seems to blur the contrast between metal and chondrules. I leave it to the buyer, but at 1mm thick, polishing is difficult and risky. Michael Farmer From mike at meteoriteguy.com Wed Aug 12 20:21:11 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Oh my, just got this photo emailed to me Message-ID: <250919.66504.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/arnold.jpg The future of Meteorite-Men? From damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 20:30:20 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? Message-ID: <324064.52060.qm@web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll be buying a trim saw in the near future. I don't have a need for a heavy duty unit or one that can cut large stones, so I'm looking at the Inland swaptop 6.5 inch saw (#10670) (A 4 inch is too small) . It seems to be enough saw for my needs at a price point that works for my budget. Googling "trim saw", it appears to be one of the most common ones available. I'd be interested in comments about this saw, or suggestions for other ones around the same price. Off list of course. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski IMCA #1081 From geoking at notkin.net Wed Aug 12 21:53:18 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:53:18 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites In-Reply-To: <20090811194004.08IJY.23762.imail@fed1rmwml28> References: <20090811194004.08IJY.23762.imail@fed1rmwml28> Message-ID: <28A88A88-B291-427C-B68A-B70EAF2BE014@notkin.net> Carl posted: > Those short videos are Awsome. I actually have the Meteorite Men on > my DVR and have watched it several times . . . . Is there a > reason you are not selling it on video yet? Dear Carl: Thank you for those very kind comments. Sorry I was slow in writing back. I was too busy laughing at Mike Farmer's post claiming that somebody other than him was making the meteorite world look bad. That's a bit like Stalin complaining that there's too much violence. Anyway, regarding your question. Since our show is still being aired on a regular basis, there are no immediate plans to release it on DVD, but it is something we hope and expect in the future. And I'm pleased to report that there are many other exciting plans for the future of the show which will be announced in due course. Hopefully those who enjoy learning, meteorite science, and adventure television shows will continue to watch and enjoy it. Those who prefer to sit on their extremely large backsides and libel their betters will, doubtless, find some small pleasure in that too. Cheers and all the best, Geoff N. From MeteorHntr at aol.com Wed Aug 12 22:03:12 2009 From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:03:12 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold Message-ID: Hello List and Mike, I would like to thank those of you that responded off list to me about the other post I made earlier today about Mike Farmer. As those of you know that did contact me, I wasn't specifically interested in asking about what Mike just shared with all of us here on the list, but now that it is brought up: if Mike has shared with any of the rest of you any of the same things in private that he just posted to the group, please contact me off list so we can discuss them. Obviously Mike doesn't care if we talk about these issues, as it seems he is eager for all of this to come out into the open. So if he asked anyone to keep these kind of things "confidential" when he discussed them with you before, you can feel free to share all those details with me now. Thanks. I did not choose to make things more public as falsely stated, but it seems like Mike just did. Of course any lawsuit is in the public domain, so everyone that feels so compelled should write the court and get a copy of the Petition that was filed for themselves. Then after reading the petition, if anyone has any questions about the allegations made in it, they should ask the plaintiff(s) directly as it is the plaintiff(s) that are the ones making them, not me. Getting the Petition will prove to be a very entertaining read, I promise. But Mike, you bring up some interesting accusations yourself in your public post. Either you are repeating hearsay and gossip, or you have actual first hand knowledge and or proof of everything you are accusing me of here, right? I would say it is YOU Mike Farmer, that now has the burden of proof that all these public claims are in fact factual. So, it is probably your responsibility for you to offer your sources for this (mis)information, on the following statements you have made: 1. That I have not paid the people at Admire anything. Can you prove that? 2. That I have been "kicked off most of the land" at Admire. Can you prove that? 3. My "8n8 contracts" are somehow now overdue. Can you prove that? 4. That I have traded 100kg Brenhams without paying landowners pennies. Can you prove that? 5. That "my" TV show mentions that 100 kilo Brenham being worth $125,000. Can you prove that? 6. That on this list l offered meteorites higher (in weight than 100kg) for $10,000. Can you prove that? 7. That such an (above) offer would be a scam. Can you prove that? 8. That my show stating that less than less than $1 per gram for Brenham Pallasite is "incredible inflated and unrealistic prices." Can you prove that? 9. That all land owners are now going to want $125,000 for 100 kilo meteorites. Can you prove that? 10. That all collectors are going to have to pay more now. Can you prove that? 11. That I have convinced the public that they all can become millionaires? Can you prove that? 12. That I am destroying this (meteorite) business. Can you prove that? 13. That I am ripping off land owners. Can you prove that? 14. That I am inflating prices. Can you prove that? 15. That this isn't funny. Can you prove that? 16. Which people have you spoken to "working at Admire" that you are quoting? Can you list names? 17. That the land owners at Admire are mad at me for not being paid for 2 years. Can you prove that? Please name names if you are citing this "hearsay" as "proof." 18. That hunters are not welcome on many farms at Admire now. Can you prove that? 19. That "they" think "we" are all con men now. Can you prove that? 20. That the Admire I am selling on ebay now is from the investors project. Can you prove that? 21. That the investors have gotten almost nothing back. Can you prove that? 22. Than I am obligated some way to clear up these things for you. Can you prove that? 23. And if I do, that there will be nothing to talk about? Can you prove that? 24. That you are Mike Farmer. Can you prove that? (Sorry, but when over 20 claims, which of course you can't back up, are made in one email, because you have no first hand knowledge of any of this, it makes me wonder if you are not really Mike Farmer, but maybe really Michael Casper.) 25. That the premise that this is ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS to begin with? Can you prove that? I am sure you will do like the last time this happened on the list and respond with: "Yea, Steve you are right." then refuse to answer these questions above. Which if fine. None of us here on the list expect you to actually back up anything you say or that you ask questions for the purpose of getting actual answers. But I feel obligated to ask you these questions anyway, even though we know you won't answer them. Now, back to my question that I asked the list. If Michael Farmer has made any negative statements about me or my business in private to you, including but not limited to his fantastic comments below, would you please contact me in private off the list. Thank you in advance. Oh, and Mike did get at least one thing right, I do have some Admire up on Ebay right now. Since I didn't want to violate the 2 ads in a week policy, I appreciate that he brought that up. Thanks Mike. Here is the URL: http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store Bid high, and bid often! And for the record, I tried to keep within the Meteorite List's rules in my reply. The only insult I threw at Mike, might have been a subtle reference that he is acting like Michael Casper. While that alone might be considered by many an offense worthy of being kicked off the list, I think I have far more "proof" Farmer has morphed into Casper-like-behavior than he has proof of the allegations he has made about me. Steve Arnold of "Meteorite Men" In a message dated 8/12/2009 3:27:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mike at meteoriteguy.com writes: Steve, since you want to make things more public, start by explaining your side of this: Mani vs Arnold Bexar County District Clerk Bexar County Courthouse 100 Dolorosa Street, 1st Floor San Antonio, TX 78205-3002 75 page lawsuit for theft and fraud. I am sure with pending litigation you won't wish to do that though. Why is it that you pound on people with your contracts, such as when you cried about people raiding your Admire strewnfield, yet your contracts are worth less than the paper they are printed on. Tell people why you have paid the landowners nothing in Admire, so you are now kicked off of most of that land and other people have taken over the hunt. Tell people how your 8 in 8 contracts went, 3 years overdue now. Tell people how you have traded off 100 kilo Brenhams for mars rocks and not paid the landowners a penny. I am curious about another thing, in your meteorite men show, which promenantly shows an Admire strewnfild map (very very smart move there) it shows prices of 100 kilo Brenham pallasites as $125,000 value. Yet you publicly on this meteorite list try selling the same meteorites of even higher weights for $10,000, a 92% discount not even taking into. That is what I call a scam. You have spread this massive value to the world on your show, incredible inflated and unrealistic prices. Now all landowners are going to want $125,000 for a 100 kilo meteorite. All collectors are going to have to pay more for new finds since you convinced the public they can all become millionaires. You are destroying this business by ripping off landowners, and inflating prices to the public which are so far from true it isn't even funny anymore. I have spoken to people working in Admire than they inform me that because you you and the bad feelings from the landowners at not being paid in more than two years, hunters are not welcome on many farms there anymore. They think we are all conmen. How much of that ebay Admire money is going to the investors who sunk more than $50,000 into your hunts years ago and have received almost nothing back? If you clear these things up, then there will be nothing to talk about. Michael Farmer From mike at meteoriteguy.com Wed Aug 12 22:06:15 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Brenham/Admire scam In-Reply-To: <28A88A88-B291-427C-B68A-B70EAF2BE014@notkin.net> Message-ID: <592776.35848.qm@web1114.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Geoff, nice, Yeah, some of us go around the world and risk our necks, some dig in Kansas and steal all the meteorites from the landowners, conning them into believing that riches are "just around the corner". Why dont you tell us how many landowners have been paid for the Alpha-site/Admire you and Steve have dug up? I know that in two years none have been paid and are all pissed off and ready to sue you and Steve. Phil just got there first. The news is coming. You and Steve could care less about meteorites, all you care about is your fame, such as it is. Is it not true that you state that the Brenhams are worth $125,000 for a ~100 kilo stone? Steve was just trying to pawn one off on some sucker here for double that size for only $10,000. You have caused the meteorite world a real disservice by inflating your bogus prices on TV when in the real world it is 10% what you state. Every landowner who has seen that thinks you guys are millionairs, when Steve can't even pay his cutting bills. I laugh at how stupid you and the other investors are, getting conned for YEARS into Steve's 8 in 8 contracts. He blew through that $50,000 years ago, begs for more but produces not one cent. Admire has now been found by the TON, and is being processed right now. I think it is hilarious actually, the gullibility of some people. What is the response to the 75 page lawsuit filed against Steve? You went to Brenham, conveniently after Steve told his partner all land was hunted, and WOW, like majic you guys started popping massive meteorites out of the ground right and left. Pretty good for hunted out land. Or was it marked signals saved for later? Does the IMCA care that IMCA members are accused of stealing far more than Evans ever was? Inquiring minds want to know . Michael From cdtucson at cox.net Tue Aug 11 15:13:07 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:13:07 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090811151307.23U3H.110181.imail@fed1rmwml45> Sterling, Randy et al, OMG. Randy's explanation of "why it looks like it does"? Made total sense to me. Basically it fell when Mar's atmosphere was more like Earths billions of years ago. Okay. Sterling, I read your explanation to say that it did not have to have fallen billions of years ago in order to look the same as they look when they land on earth. You are saying it looks the same because there is virtually no difference in our comparative atmospheres? Just that Mar's critical area of ablation is higher up? Then why do they call it thinner when it is just higher? It seems like both explanations make sense but they are well, not quite the same are they? Weathering and erosion is not a factor? To me it's morphology resembles Goose lake as opposed to Sikote shrapnel or Tucson ring. And to go back to my original question; Did ablation cause the shape or was it already that shape while in space? Because in a thin atmosphere it would just fly in and land as-is. Or not? My head hurts. Thank you. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- "Sterling K. Webb" wrote: > Hi, Randy, List, > > Timorous about questioning "experts," local or otherwise, > I find the notion that a meteorite could sit on (or near) the > surface of Mars undisturbed for four billion years to be most > unlikely, also the assumption that there was no denser > atmosphere for the last four billion years, also the assumption > that a denser atmosphere is required. I also feel that there's > a misconception about meteoritic re-entry here. > > Common sense makes us want to question the "soft landing" > of any iron meteorite, but every surficial iron meteorite cannot > be excavated or exposed from any great depth. First, only very > slow (relatively) moving objects penetrate the soil rather than > vaporize, so the depth of burial is always shallow. Second, one > has only to look at HOBA, now weighing in at 60 tons, but > estimated to have been 100 tons at landing (from the quantity > of iron shale in a roughly circular disc surrounding it. Presumably, > at "landing," it had a shape very much like the Martian iron > in question (but a lot bigger), and its thinner edges have oxidized > away, leaving the present "blocky" core. > > How did a 100 ton chuck of iron make a soft landing on the > Earth? (You tell me how HOBA did it; I'll tell you how BLOCK > ISLAND did it.) The answer is: "it flew," like the Space Shuttle > "flies" (my candidate for Scariest Glider of All Time, except for > the WWII Soviet "Flying Tank"). It flew at a steep angle, yes, > but it flew. > > Flight depends on the atmosphere, and the chief factor in > the difference between the Martian and Terrestrial atmospheres > is the scale height. The rate at which pressure declines with > altitude is characterized by the scale height, the altitude at > which pressure has dropped by a factor of "e" (nat. log. base = > 2.718281828). The scale height of the Martian atmosphere > is about 11 kilometers; for the Earth, it's only about 6 kilometers. > > The formula for the scale height is H = ( k * T ) / ( M * g ), > where k = Gas constant = 8.314 J?(mole K)^-1, T = mean > planetary surface temperature in Kelvin degrees, M = mean > molecular mass of dry air (units kg?mole^-1), g = acceleration > due to gravity on planetary surface. > > Molecular mass of the Martian atmosphere is about 50% greater > then the Earth's "M," but "g" is only 38% of the Earth's. Planets with > lower gravity have "taller" atmospheres, if you want to remember > it the easy way. There are always "wrinkles" to ideal gas formulas. > At very high altitudes, the "air" is so thin that diffusion is easy, > so every species of gas molecule has "its own" scale height nearer > the top of the atmosphere. But Mars' atmosphere is almost entirely > carbon dioxide, so that factor doesn't change the results much. > > Atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars varies from around > 30 Pascals on Olympus Mons to over 1155 Pascals in the depths > of Hellas Planitia, with a mean surface level pressure of 600 Pascals. > This is less than 1% of the surface pressure on Earth (101,300 > Pascals). The equivalent pressure in the atmospheres of the two > planets can be found in Mars' thin atmosphere at a height of > 34-35 km, where the pressure is the same above either planet's > surface. > > Here's where it gets to be fun. The Martian atmosphere at 60 > to 80 kilometers above the surface, or 100 kilometers, is DENSER > than the atmosphere of the Earth at that height. And that is the > range of heights at which most meteors "light up" or begin to ablate. > In fact, all Martian atmospheric densities at altitudes above 34 > kilometers are greater than the density of the Earth's atmosphere > at the same height, due to the fact that the pressure falls off less > steeply than is the case in the Earth's atmosphere. > > So, the meteoroid that would "light up" at 60 km in the Earth's > atmosphere, will presumably "light up" at a higher altitude in the > Martian atmosphere. It may very well be slowed enough to terminate > its ablative flight at a higher altitude on Mars than the Earth because > of the increased density above 34 kilometers. But it would likely > "stagnate" at a lower altitude (for the same reason of density), then > have a shorter but slower "dark fall" in the lesser Martian gravity. > > For "normal" meteoritic fall, the problem becomes "Watch that > bottom step; it's a doozy!" But by the time the smaller meteorite > encounters (IF it survives that deep) the lower atmosphere where > the density is less than in Earth's atmosphere, it's usually already > lost most of its "cosmic" velocity and is traveling at sub-sonic speeds. > (The speed of sound is of course different for Mars' atmosphere > also.) It is in the most survivable phase of it re-entry by then. > > However, if the newly-arrived meteoroid is a lenticular or even > rectangular "chip" (helpfully arriving a low entry angle and/or a > slower-than-usual entry velocity), it will tend to stabilize in flight. > First surface ablation only improves its aerodynamic characteristics. > So, when one says that for such a landing, it is necessary that Mars > have a more substantial atmosphere, well... The fact is that Mars > HAS a more substantial atmosphere than the Earth, at least above > 34 km. And that's where all the action is... or most of it. > > I'm quite certain that Mars has as many or more meteors in its > skies than the Earth. Besides having a more dense upper atmosphere, > Mars is in the right neighborhood for stray rocks. Shower meteors > in the skies of Mars have been photographed by the Spirit rover: > http://www.obspm.fr/actual/nouvelle/jun05/meteor.en.shtml > > As for not finding any "other meteorites" as big as this one, we've > found how many? ONE other meteorite, I believe. Pretty small sample > to generalize from, don't you think? And we've searched how much > of the planet's surface? > > I understand that the official NASA position is that a thicker > atmosphere is required: > http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-10-2009/0005075085&EDATE= > "Scientists calculate it is too massive to have hit the ground without > disintegrating unless Mars had a much thicker atmosphere than it > has now." Ah, yes, "scientists calculate..." The press release has > spoken. > > > Sterling K. Webb > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Korotev" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D > > > > Carl et al. > > > > Regarding the Block Island meteorite on Mars... > > > > I asked "Why does it have regmaglypts?" of our local Mars expert, Ray > > Arvidson, who is Deputy Principal Investigator of the Mars Exploration > > Rover Mission. He had mentioned the existence of the meteorite to me > > several weeks ago. He said that the fall happened "4 billion years > > ago," when Mars had a more substantial atmosphere. This makes sense > > to me because we've never seen a meteorite this size on the Moon. On > > the Moon meteoroids impact at several tens of kilometers per second, > > and vaporize. In order to survive as a whole rock, Block Island must > > have been decelerated by an atmosphere. (I'm sure that meteoroids > > hitting Mars are impacting at lower velocities than those hitting > > Earth-Moon, but I don't know the numbers.) > > > > The area where the meteorite was found is a deflation surface - like > > Roosevelt Co., NM, and places in Antarctica. It was buried for a long > > time and then exposed when the dust blew away. They know it's a > > deflation surface because the surface is "young" - the crater count is > > very low. > > > > Only after writing the above did I find some 3D glasses and actually > > looked at the image. Most of the "holes" don't look so much like > > regmaglypts to me. Maybe some are chemical weathering features. > > There will probably be some more info about this meteorite coming out > > later. Ray said that there is a great interest on what kind of > > chemical reactions it's experienced. > > > > Randy Korotev > > Washington University > > > > > > > > > > At 11:54 07-08-09 Friday, you wrote: > >>Pete, List, > >>Very interesting photo. > >>I have a question about it's morphology? > >>Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? > >>Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I > >>thought Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of > >>surface materials? It was my understanding that the material ablated > >>away as it passed through the atmosphere . If that is so then why does > >>it look the same on Mars. > >>Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it > >>entered Mars' atmosphere? > >>Just curious. > >>-- > >>Carl or Debbie Esparza > >>IMCA 5829 > >>Meteoritemax > >> > >> > >>---- Pete Pete wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi, all, > >> > > >> > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! > >> > > >> > (note the full resolution link) > >> > > >> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > >> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > >> > > >> > > >> > It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. > >> > > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > Pete > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > >> > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > >> > ______________________________________________ > >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >> > Meteorite-list mailing list > >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>______________________________________________ > >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>Meteorite-list mailing list > >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cdtucson at cox.net Tue Aug 11 19:40:04 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:40:04 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites In-Reply-To: <753D6533-8A74-46F7-9C85-792BACFCE991@notkin.net> Message-ID: <20090811194004.08IJY.23762.imail@fed1rmwml28> Geoff, Steve, Those short videos are Awsome. I actually have the Meteorite Men on my DVR and have watched it several times. I know there are many of us on this list that would love to do what you and Steve do. You guys Rock!!! And so does your show! Is there a reason you are not selling it on video yet? Wish you all the best. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- Notkin wrote: > Dear Listees: > > A friendly reminder that the Perseids are expected to peak tonight/ > tomorrow morning for those of you who are enjoying clear skies. It is > unusually cloudy in Tucson at the moment. > > Overseas members and those who don't get Science Channel, may enjoy > watching a series of video excerpts from "Meteorite Men," currently > featured as "Top Video" on the front page of the Science Channel > website: > > http://science.discovery.com > > > You can also find viewing tips for the Perseids, a meteor/meteorite > quiz, and a rather well done "Top 10 Meteorites" section on the > Science site. They have been busy! > > http://science.discovery.com/space/meteors/meteors.html?campaign=sci-int-hp-dl2-meteor87 > > > Regards, > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > www.tucsoncitizen.com/lizard > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 22:12:55 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:12:55 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve Arnold Prime said - "Since I didn't want to violate the 2 ads in a week policy, I appreciate that he brought that up." Actually it's one ad per week. I used to think it was 2 also, but some of the recent uproar about ads prompted me to go re-read the rules. And I was surprised to see, that's it's one ad per week. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/12/09, MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote: > > Hello List and Mike, > > I would like to thank those of you that responded off list to me about the > other post I made earlier today about Mike Farmer. As those of you know > that did contact me, I wasn't specifically interested in asking about what > Mike just shared with all of us here on the list, but now that it is > brought > up: > > if Mike has shared with any of the rest of you any of the same things in > private that he just posted to the group, please contact me off list so we > can discuss them. > > Obviously Mike doesn't care if we talk about these issues, as it seems he > is eager for all of this to come out into the open. So if he asked anyone > to keep these kind of things "confidential" when he discussed them with you > before, you can feel free to share all those details with me now. Thanks. > > > I did not choose to make things more public as falsely stated, but it > seems like Mike just did. > > Of course any lawsuit is in the public domain, so everyone that feels so > compelled should write the court and get a copy of the Petition that was > filed for themselves. Then after reading the petition, if anyone has any > questions about the allegations made in it, they should ask the > plaintiff(s) > directly as it is the plaintiff(s) that are the ones making them, not me. > Getting the Petition will prove to be a very entertaining read, I promise. > > But Mike, you bring up some interesting accusations yourself in your > public post. Either you are repeating hearsay and gossip, or you have > actual > first hand knowledge and or proof of everything you are accusing me of > here, > right? I would say it is YOU Mike Farmer, that now has the burden of proof > that all these public claims are in fact factual. > > So, it is probably your responsibility for you to offer your sources for > this (mis)information, on the following statements you have made: > > 1. That I have not paid the people at Admire anything. Can you prove that? > > 2. That I have been "kicked off most of the land" at Admire. Can you > prove that? > > 3. My "8n8 contracts" are somehow now overdue. Can you prove that? > > 4. That I have traded 100kg Brenhams without paying landowners pennies. > Can you prove that? > > 5. That "my" TV show mentions that 100 kilo Brenham being worth $125,000. > Can you prove that? > > 6. That on this list l offered meteorites higher (in weight than 100kg) > for $10,000. Can you prove that? > > 7. That such an (above) offer would be a scam. Can you prove that? > > 8. That my show stating that less than less than $1 per gram for Brenham > Pallasite is "incredible inflated and unrealistic prices." Can you prove > that? > > 9. That all land owners are now going to want $125,000 for 100 kilo > meteorites. Can you prove that? > > 10. That all collectors are going to have to pay more now. Can you prove > that? > > 11. That I have convinced the public that they all can become > millionaires? Can you prove that? > > 12. That I am destroying this (meteorite) business. Can you prove that? > > 13. That I am ripping off land owners. Can you prove that? > > 14. That I am inflating prices. Can you prove that? > > 15. That this isn't funny. Can you prove that? > > 16. Which people have you spoken to "working at Admire" that you are > quoting? Can you list names? > > 17. That the land owners at Admire are mad at me for not being paid for 2 > years. Can you prove that? > > Please name names if you are citing this "hearsay" as "proof." > > 18. That hunters are not welcome on many farms at Admire now. Can you > prove that? > > 19. That "they" think "we" are all con men now. Can you prove that? > > 20. That the Admire I am selling on ebay now is from the investors > project. Can you prove that? > > 21. That the investors have gotten almost nothing back. Can you prove > that? > > 22. Than I am obligated some way to clear up these things for you. Can > you prove that? > > 23. And if I do, that there will be nothing to talk about? Can you prove > that? > > 24. That you are Mike Farmer. Can you prove that? (Sorry, but when over > 20 claims, which of course you can't back up, are made in one email, > because you have no first hand knowledge of any of this, it makes me wonder > if > you are not really Mike Farmer, but maybe really Michael Casper.) > > 25. That the premise that this is ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS to begin with? Can > you prove that? > > I am sure you will do like the last time this happened on the list and > respond with: "Yea, Steve you are right." then refuse to answer these > questions above. Which if fine. None of us here on the list expect you to > actually back up anything you say or that you ask questions for the purpose > of > getting actual answers. But I feel obligated to ask you these questions > anyway, even though we know you won't answer them. > > Now, back to my question that I asked the list. If Michael Farmer has > made any negative statements about me or my business in private to you, > including but not limited to his fantastic comments below, would you please > contact me in private off the list. > > Thank you in advance. > > Oh, and Mike did get at least one thing right, I do have some Admire up on > Ebay right now. Since I didn't want to violate the 2 ads in a week > policy, I appreciate that he brought that up. Thanks Mike. > > Here is the URL: > http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store Bid high, and > bid often! > > And for the record, I tried to keep within the Meteorite List's rules in > my reply. The only insult I threw at Mike, might have been a subtle > reference that he is acting like Michael Casper. While that alone might be > considered by many an offense worthy of being kicked off the list, I think > I have > far more "proof" Farmer has morphed into Casper-like-behavior than he has > proof of the allegations he has made about me. > > Steve Arnold > of "Meteorite Men" > > > > > > In a message dated 8/12/2009 3:27:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > mike at meteoriteguy.com writes: > Steve, since you want to make things more public, start by explaining your > side of this: > > Mani vs Arnold > > Bexar County District Clerk > > Bexar County Courthouse > > 100 Dolorosa Street, 1st Floor > > San Antonio, TX 78205-3002 > > 75 page lawsuit for theft and fraud. > > I am sure with pending litigation you won't wish to do that though. > > > Why is it that you pound on people with your contracts, such as when you > cried about people raiding your Admire strewnfield, yet your contracts are > worth less than the paper they are printed on. Tell people why you have > paid > the landowners nothing in Admire, so you are now kicked off of most of > that land and other people have taken over the hunt. > Tell people how your 8 in 8 contracts went, 3 years overdue now. Tell > people how you have traded off 100 kilo Brenhams for mars rocks and not > paid > the landowners a penny. > > I am curious about another thing, in your meteorite men show, which > promenantly shows an Admire strewnfild map (very very smart move there) it > shows > prices of 100 kilo Brenham pallasites as $125,000 value. > Yet you publicly on this meteorite list try selling the same meteorites of > even higher weights for $10,000, a 92% discount not even taking into. That > is what I call a scam. > You have spread this massive value to the world on your show, incredible > inflated and unrealistic prices. Now all landowners are going to want > $125,000 for a 100 kilo meteorite. All collectors are going to have to pay > more > for new finds since you convinced the public they can all become > millionaires. > You are destroying this business by ripping off landowners, and inflating > prices to the public which are so far from true it isn't even funny > anymore. I have spoken to people working in Admire than they inform me that > because you you and the bad feelings from the landowners at not being paid > in > more than two years, hunters are not welcome on many farms there anymore. > They > think we are all conmen. > > How much of that ebay Admire money is going to the investors who sunk more > than $50,000 into your hunts years ago and have received almost nothing > back? If you clear these things up, then there will be nothing to talk > about. > > Michael Farmer > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 12 22:47:39 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:47:39 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold Message-ID: Steve, If there is a lawsuit, you should not be discussing this with anyone especially on the internet. Good luck. Carl, been to too many jury duties _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Wed Aug 12 23:01:30 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:01:30 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Stovepiping Message-ID: <64602e8ead5f46e9851f671049223210@ucv1.vhostdns.com> Someone emailed me about my use of the word "stovepipe". What is it, etc... Well, I may or may not have seen it in official meteoriticist vocabulary but I do think it is a useful word in meteorites. In general, Stovepiping refers any feature that sticks up like a flue pipe from a franklin stove. In the case of a meteorite, I use stovepiping to describe the feature on the leeside of a oriented meteorite. I posit that the melted rock may have congealed and cooled on the back side in a stovepipe fashion. I hope that clears up the term and officially adds it to our vocabulary. -mt From fujmon at mac.com Wed Aug 12 23:48:46 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:48:46 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kansas meteorites Message-ID: Hmmm, all this talk of Brenham and Admire make me long to see the farmlands of Kansas.... Okay, maybe I'll stick to surfing in Hawaii instead. But that does not take away from the fact that a lot of interesting meteorites have been discovered to have fallen in a state whose motto is "Ad astra per aspera", or "To the stars through difficulties". Quite apropos, given the nature and direction of some of the dialog on this metlist lately. Ah, but I'm not dwelling there. Instead, I offer Norton County ... to the list of wonderful meteorites of Kansas, and to anyone wishing to acquire some beautifully crusted fragments of said fall - on my ebay auction ending this Saturday (along with many other items of potential interest): http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Mahalo, Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Thu Aug 13 07:26:10 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 13 Aug 2009 11:26:10 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] In memoriam Darryl Futrell - Gone but not forgotten Message-ID: Dear List, Saturday, 21 July 2001, Darryl sent me these lines: "Would you believe I have a letter from the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing, from one of their top two tektite researchers, inviting me to go there and do tektite field work with them?" Monday, 13 August 2001, Darryl passed away after a severe heart attack. Of course, he would have loved to accept this invitation, but, alas, in the same mail he also wrote: "Six or more years ago, I would have gone, but now there's no way." Best wishes, Bernd From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 13 11:14:03 2009 From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:14:03 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! Message-ID: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I had a bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the plagioclase feldspar sticks between your teeth! Phil Whitmer Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, well ... By Jay MacDonald Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space debris at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he has tasted them. "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have purchased or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of space rock." Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet anyway. Building a rock-solid empire Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University of Arizona on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting toward a career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem and mineral show on earth. "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it that it changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I thought, 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an old-timer who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking price: $4,000 for the box. "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the box," Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found that that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my money on those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could actually make money doing this." Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens of trips to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. From damoclid at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 11:45:52 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> Message-ID: <410698.61386.qm@web33903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his > hands -- he has tasted them. > > "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I > have purchased or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. > "We are all made of space rock." > I guess you can't say he doesn't have meteorites in his blood... Any comment on the various terroirs Mike? -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From rlenssen at planet.nl Thu Aug 13 13:14:24 2009 From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:14:24 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: fresh type 3, Olivine Diogenite & 794g regmaglyphed UNWA at Ebay References: Message-ID: <72869B873A6C4CE0AFAE41A21940C98A@EIGENAARNJEQJY> Dear List, I have some Ebay auctions ending coming weekend: - Top quality L3 slices (NWA5730 L3.2 S2 W1) - Olivine Diogenite slices - A beautiful 794g regmaglyphed UNWA You might want to have a look at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/rob1612mar Thanks, Rob Lenssen IMCA #1681 From leighannedelray at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 17:32:12 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:32:12 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> Message-ID: <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! The latest trend: http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. Just a little something to be silly, Leigh Anne On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php > > I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. ?Just this morning I had a > bowl ?of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the plagioclase > feldspar sticks between your teeth! > > Phil Whitmer > > Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy > In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, well ... > By Jay MacDonald > > Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space debris at > the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. > > > > He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he has > tasted them. > > "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have purchased > or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of space > rock." > > Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, > one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet > anyway. > > Building a rock-solid empire > Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University of Arizona > on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting toward a > career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem and > mineral show on earth. > > "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it that it > changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I thought, > 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" > > Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an old-timer > who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking price: > $4,000 for the box. > > "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the box," > Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found that > that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my money on > those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could actually > make money doing this." > > Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens of trips > to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. > > Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From fujmon at mac.com Thu Aug 13 17:34:49 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:34:49 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <203912D9-1737-4AE3-B22A-5440DEE5ED75@mac.com> Wow Leigh Anne, And they let you lick and snort their stones? You're a wild child ;^) gary On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! > > The latest trend: > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg > > Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! > > > Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg > > And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. > > > Just a little something to be silly, > Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, > JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php >> >> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I >> had a >> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the >> plagioclase >> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, >> well ... >> By Jay MacDonald >> >> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space >> debris at >> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. >> >> >> >> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he >> has >> tasted them. >> >> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have >> purchased >> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of >> space >> rock." >> >> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka >> Meteorite Guy, >> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet >> anyway. >> >> Building a rock-solid empire >> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University >> of Arizona >> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting >> toward a >> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem >> and >> mineral show on earth. >> >> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it >> that it >> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I >> thought, >> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >> >> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an >> old-timer >> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking >> price: >> $4,000 for the box. >> >> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the >> box," >> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found >> that >> that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my >> money on >> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could >> actually >> make money doing this." >> >> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens >> of trips >> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >> >> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From gmhupe at htn.net Thu Aug 13 17:49:46 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:49:46 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Leigh Anne and All, Just to clear up any misconceptions about Leigh Anne 'licking' my moon [rock], she didn't actually lick the stone, just pretended to do so at the ASU Apollo 40th Anniversary Celebration of the first lunar landing. Sorry Leigh Anne, couldn't let you do that to the NWA 482 Main Mass! :-/ I am glad you wore the rubber gloves for safe rock handling! ;-) Leigh Anne, I do have some lunar cutting dust from many different lunar meteorites that you can add to a Rum & Coke if you like. It fizzes when you add the dust, but it is a little gritty towards the end of the drink! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Anne DelRay" To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" ; Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! The latest trend: http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. Just a little something to be silly, Leigh Anne On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php > > I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I had a > bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the plagioclase > feldspar sticks between your teeth! > > Phil Whitmer > > Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy > In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, well ... > By Jay MacDonald > > Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space debris > at > the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. > > > > He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he has > tasted them. > > "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have purchased > or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of space > rock." > > Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite > Guy, > one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet > anyway. > > Building a rock-solid empire > Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University of > Arizona > on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting toward a > career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem and > mineral show on earth. > > "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it that it > changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I thought, > 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" > > Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an > old-timer > who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking price: > $4,000 for the box. > > "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the box," > Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found that > that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my money on > those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could actually > make money doing this." > > Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens of > trips > to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. > > Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From leighannedelray at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 17:56:40 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:56:40 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e97e2850908131456n34c2ed94y95929f2bdac73740@mail.gmail.com> Why do you have to ruin all of my fun? O.k. Greg for the record did not let me 'actually' lick the NWA 482, yet only appear as I was licking it. But I shall take you up on the moon dust drink, I would prefer it with some Grey Goose and Sprite though. :>) ~ Leigh Anne On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Greg Hupe wrote: > Hi Leigh Anne and All, > > Just to clear up any misconceptions about Leigh Anne 'licking' my moon > [rock], she didn't actually lick the stone, just pretended to do so at the > ASU Apollo 40th Anniversary Celebration of the first lunar landing. Sorry > Leigh Anne, couldn't let you do that to the NWA 482 Main Mass! :-/ ? I am > glad you wore the rubber gloves for safe rock handling! ;-) > > Leigh Anne, I do have some lunar cutting dust from many different lunar > meteorites that you can add to a Rum & Coke if you like. It fizzes when you > add the dust, but it is a little gritty towards the end of the drink! > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Anne DelRay" > > To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! > > > Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! > > The latest trend: > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg > > Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! > > > Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg > > And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. > > > Just a little something to be silly, > Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, > JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> >> >> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php >> >> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I had a >> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the plagioclase >> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, well ... >> By Jay MacDonald >> >> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space debris >> at >> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. >> >> >> >> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he has >> tasted them. >> >> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have purchased >> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of space >> rock." >> >> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite >> Guy, >> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet >> anyway. >> >> Building a rock-solid empire >> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University of >> Arizona >> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting toward a >> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem and >> mineral show on earth. >> >> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it that it >> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I thought, >> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >> >> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an >> old-timer >> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking price: >> $4,000 for the box. >> >> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the box," >> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found that >> that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my money on >> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could actually >> make money doing this." >> >> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens of >> trips >> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >> >> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > From gmhupe at htn.net Thu Aug 13 18:03:12 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:03:12 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> <5e97e2850908131456n34c2ed94y95929f2bdac73740@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09C79013879F4E0797E8B2AE21272FB1@Gregor> Hi All, I accidentally wrote "ASU Apollo 40th...", I meant to write, "LPL 'Apollo Moon Landing 40th Anniversary Celebration' at UofA". Sorry about that, much on my mind today... Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Anne DelRay" To: "Greg Hupe" ; Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! Why do you have to ruin all of my fun? O.k. Greg for the record did not let me 'actually' lick the NWA 482, yet only appear as I was licking it. But I shall take you up on the moon dust drink, I would prefer it with some Grey Goose and Sprite though. :>) ~ Leigh Anne On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Greg Hupe wrote: > Hi Leigh Anne and All, > > Just to clear up any misconceptions about Leigh Anne 'licking' my moon > [rock], she didn't actually lick the stone, just pretended to do so at the > ASU Apollo 40th Anniversary Celebration of the first lunar landing. Sorry > Leigh Anne, couldn't let you do that to the NWA 482 Main Mass! :-/ I am > glad you wore the rubber gloves for safe rock handling! ;-) > > Leigh Anne, I do have some lunar cutting dust from many different lunar > meteorites that you can add to a Rum & Coke if you like. It fizzes when > you > add the dust, but it is a little gritty towards the end of the drink! > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Anne DelRay" > > To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! > > > Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! > > The latest trend: > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg > > Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! > > > Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg > > And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. > > > Just a little something to be silly, > Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, > JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> >> >> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php >> >> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I had a >> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the plagioclase >> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, well ... >> By Jay MacDonald >> >> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space debris >> at >> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. >> >> >> >> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he has >> tasted them. >> >> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have >> purchased >> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of space >> rock." >> >> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite >> Guy, >> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet >> anyway. >> >> Building a rock-solid empire >> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University of >> Arizona >> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting toward >> a >> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem and >> mineral show on earth. >> >> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it that >> it >> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I >> thought, >> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >> >> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an >> old-timer >> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking price: >> $4,000 for the box. >> >> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the box," >> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found that >> that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my money on >> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could actually >> make money doing this." >> >> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens of >> trips >> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >> >> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Thu Aug 13 18:05:07 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:05:07 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <203912D9-1737-4AE3-B22A-5440DEE5ED75@mac.com> References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET><5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> <203912D9-1737-4AE3-B22A-5440DEE5ED75@mac.com> Message-ID: <015501ca1c62$1ecdb190$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> And I ate Almahata sitta http://farm1.static.flickr.com/4/5290284_cffe3d9d2d.jpg?v=0 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Gary Fujihara Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. August 2009 23:35 An: Leigh Anne DelRay Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; JoshuaTreeMuseum Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! Wow Leigh Anne, And they let you lick and snort their stones? You're a wild child ;^) gary On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! > > The latest trend: > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg > > Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! > > > Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg > > And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. > > > Just a little something to be silly, > Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, > JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker- 1278.php >> >> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I >> had a >> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the >> plagioclase >> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, >> well ... >> By Jay MacDonald >> >> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space >> debris at >> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. >> >> >> >> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he >> has >> tasted them. >> >> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have >> purchased >> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of >> space >> rock." >> >> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka >> Meteorite Guy, >> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet >> anyway. >> >> Building a rock-solid empire >> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University >> of Arizona >> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting >> toward a >> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem >> and >> mineral show on earth. >> >> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it >> that it >> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I >> thought, >> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >> >> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an >> old-timer >> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking >> price: >> $4,000 for the box. >> >> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the >> box," >> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found >> that >> that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my >> money on >> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could >> actually >> make money doing this." >> >> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens >> of trips >> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >> >> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From gmhupe at htn.net Thu Aug 13 18:10:38 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:10:38 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET><5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com><203912D9-1737-4AE3 -B22A-5440DEE5ED75@mac.com> <015501ca1c62$1ecdb190$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: I'd better go brush my tooth, quickly!! Yikes!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! And I ate Almahata sitta http://farm1.static.flickr.com/4/5290284_cffe3d9d2d.jpg?v=0 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Gary Fujihara Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. August 2009 23:35 An: Leigh Anne DelRay Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; JoshuaTreeMuseum Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! Wow Leigh Anne, And they let you lick and snort their stones? You're a wild child ;^) gary On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! > > The latest trend: > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg > > Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! > > > Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg > > And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. > > > Just a little something to be silly, > Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, > JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker- 1278.php >> >> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I >> had a >> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the >> plagioclase >> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, >> well ... >> By Jay MacDonald >> >> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space >> debris at >> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. >> >> >> >> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he >> has >> tasted them. >> >> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have >> purchased >> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of >> space >> rock." >> >> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka >> Meteorite Guy, >> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet >> anyway. >> >> Building a rock-solid empire >> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University >> of Arizona >> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting >> toward a >> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem >> and >> mineral show on earth. >> >> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it >> that it >> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I >> thought, >> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >> >> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an >> old-timer >> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking >> price: >> $4,000 for the box. >> >> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the >> box," >> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found >> that >> that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my >> money on >> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could >> actually >> make money doing this." >> >> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens >> of trips >> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >> >> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From nuuska at dlc.fi Thu Aug 13 18:25:03 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:25:03 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <5e97e2850908131456n34c2ed94y95929f2bdac73740@mail.gmail.com> References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> <5e97e2850908131456n34c2ed94y95929f2bdac73740@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8492BF.1070201@dlc.fi> Think, the "Moon-drink" could be a great business-idea. Have seen cocktails with gold priced very high, but think, what you could ask for a few mg:s of Moon in a drink in a right place... :-P take care, pekka s Leigh Anne DelRay kirjoitti: > Why do you have to ruin all of my fun? > O.k. Greg for the record did not let me 'actually' lick the NWA 482, > yet only appear as I was licking it. > But I shall take you up on the moon dust drink, I would prefer it with > some Grey Goose and Sprite though. > :>) > ~ Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Greg Hupe wrote: > >> Hi Leigh Anne and All, >> >> Just to clear up any misconceptions about Leigh Anne 'licking' my moon >> [rock], she didn't actually lick the stone, just pretended to do so at the >> ASU Apollo 40th Anniversary Celebration of the first lunar landing. Sorry >> Leigh Anne, couldn't let you do that to the NWA 482 Main Mass! :-/ I am >> glad you wore the rubber gloves for safe rock handling! ;-) >> >> Leigh Anne, I do have some lunar cutting dust from many different lunar >> meteorites that you can add to a Rum & Coke if you like. It fizzes when you >> add the dust, but it is a little gritty towards the end of the drink! >> >> Best regards, >> Greg >> >> ==================== >> Greg Hupe >> The Hupe Collection >> NaturesVault (eBay) >> gmhupe at htn.net >> www.LunarRock.com >> IMCA 3163 >> ==================== >> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Anne DelRay" >> >> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" ; >> >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! >> >> >> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! >> >> The latest trend: >> >> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg >> >> Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! >> >> >> Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock >> >> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg >> >> And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. >> >> >> Just a little something to be silly, >> Leigh Anne >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, >> JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> >>> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php >>> >>> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I had a >>> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the plagioclase >>> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >>> >>> Phil Whitmer >>> >>> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >>> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, well ... >>> By Jay MacDonald >>> >>> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space debris >>> at >>> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. >>> >>> >>> >>> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he has >>> tasted them. >>> >>> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have purchased >>> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of space >>> rock." >>> >>> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite >>> Guy, >>> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet >>> anyway. >>> >>> Building a rock-solid empire >>> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University of >>> Arizona >>> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting toward a >>> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem and >>> mineral show on earth. >>> >>> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it that it >>> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I thought, >>> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >>> >>> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an >>> old-timer >>> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking price: >>> $4,000 for the box. >>> >>> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the box," >>> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found that >>> that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my money on >>> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could actually >>> make money doing this." >>> >>> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens of >>> trips >>> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >>> >>> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.54/2300 - Release Date: 08/13/09 06:11:00 > > -- Pekka Savolainen Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Rasala FINLAND member of IMCA #5776 www.imca.cc From cynapse at charter.net Thu Aug 13 19:41:06 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:41:06 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <4A8492BF.1070201@dlc.fi> References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> <5e97e2850908131456n34c2ed94y95929f2bdac73740@mail.gmail.com> <4A8492BF.1070201@dlc.fi> Message-ID: <639985pcsq5qd1diiedcolk22cqlmke4bo@4ax.com> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:25:03 +0300, you wrote: > >Think, the "Moon-drink" could be a great business-idea. They already have a Tunguska drink: http://www.dotheblast.com/ From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 13 18:37:01 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:37:01 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike farmer eats Moon & Mars rocks Message-ID: There is a very small possibility Mike recovered the little Martian and Lunar fragments he ate. ;p They may be sitting proudly in someone else's collection. Carl _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From nuuska at dlc.fi Thu Aug 13 18:38:11 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:38:11 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <629343.1513.qm@web1104.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <629343.1513.qm@web1104.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A8495D3.5040706@dlc.fi> Hunters have had different kind of rituals during thousands of years, (and have also today), so why not bring something like this also to the meteorite-hunting too. best, pekka s Michael Farmer kirjoitti: > I have always eaten a small fragment (I am talking sand size, nothing substantial) of any lunar or Martian meteorite I have recovered, either bought or found. It is a ritual, to celebrate this rare rock. > Michael Farmer > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Pekka Savolainen wrote: > > >> From: Pekka Savolainen >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! >> To: "Leigh Anne DelRay" >> Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 4:25 PM >> >> Think, the "Moon-drink" could be a great >> business-idea. >> Have seen cocktails with gold priced very high, but think, >> what you could ask for a few mg:s of Moon in a >> drink in >> a right place... :-P >> >> take care, >> >> pekka s >> >> >> Leigh Anne DelRay kirjoitti: >> >>> Why do you have to ruin all of my fun? >>> O.k. Greg for the record did not let me 'actually' >>> >> lick the NWA 482, >> >>> yet only appear as I was licking it. >>> But I shall take you up on the moon dust drink, I >>> >> would prefer it with >> >>> some Grey Goose and Sprite though. >>> :>) >>> ~ Leigh Anne >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Greg Hupe >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Leigh Anne and All, >>>> >>>> Just to clear up any misconceptions about Leigh >>>> >> Anne 'licking' my moon >> >>>> [rock], she didn't actually lick the stone, just >>>> >> pretended to do so at the >> >>>> ASU Apollo 40th Anniversary Celebration of the >>>> >> first lunar landing. Sorry >> >>>> Leigh Anne, couldn't let you do that to the NWA >>>> >> 482 Main Mass! :-/ I am >> >>>> glad you wore the rubber gloves for safe rock >>>> >> handling! ;-) >> >>>> Leigh Anne, I do have some lunar cutting dust from >>>> >> many different lunar >> >>>> meteorites that you can add to a Rum & Coke if >>>> >> you like. It fizzes when you >> >>>> add the dust, but it is a little gritty towards >>>> >> the end of the drink! >> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> ==================== >>>> Greg Hupe >>>> The Hupe Collection >>>> NaturesVault (eBay) >>>> gmhupe at htn.net >>>> www.LunarRock.com >>>> IMCA 3163 >>>> ==================== >>>> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >>>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Anne >>>> >> DelRay" >> >>>> >>>> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" ; >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:32 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats >>>> >> Moon & Mars Rocks! >> >>>> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! >>>> >>>> The latest trend: >>>> >>>> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg >>>> >>>> Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico >>>> >> Doug! >> >>>> Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not >>>> >> eaten) a moon Rock >> >>>> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg >>>> >>>> And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg >>>> >> Hupe'. >> >>>> Just a little something to be silly, >>>> Leigh Anne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, >>>> JoshuaTreeMuseum >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php >>>>> >>>>> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. >>>>> >> Just this morning I had a >> >>>>> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I >>>>> >> hate the way the plagioclase >> >>>>> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >>>>> >>>>> Phil Whitmer >>>>> >>>>> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >>>>> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, >>>>> >> his rise has been, well ... >> >>>>> By Jay MacDonald >>>>> >>>>> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target >>>>> >> purchased a chunk of space debris >> >>>>> at >>>>> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed >>>>> >> his life forever. >> >>>>> >>>>> He has not only held pieces of the moon and >>>>> >> Mars in his hands -- he has >> >>>>> tasted them. >>>>> >>>>> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and >>>>> >> Mars rock that I have purchased >> >>>>> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. >>>>> >> "We are all made of space >> >>>>> rock." >>>>> >>>>> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of >>>>> >> Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite >> >>>>> Guy, >>>>> one of only about 20 professional meteorite >>>>> >> brokers -- on this planet >> >>>>> anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Building a rock-solid empire >>>>> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student >>>>> >> attending the University of >> >>>>> Arizona >>>>> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time >>>>> >> and vaguely drifting toward a >> >>>>> career with the CIA when he happened to wander >>>>> >> into the largest gem and >> >>>>> mineral show on earth. >>>>> >>>>> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got >>>>> >> so fascinated with it that it >> >>>>> changed the course of my life," Farmer >>>>> >> recalls. "When I saw it, I thought, >> >>>>> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >>>>> >>>>> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show >>>>> >> site until he met an >> >>>>> old-timer >>>>> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under >>>>> >> the table. His asking price: >> >>>>> $4,000 for the box. >>>>> >>>>> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg >>>>> >> and borrow to buy the box," >> >>>>> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching >>>>> >> the meteorites, I found that >> >>>>> that they were from a very rare collection, >>>>> >> and I quadrupled my money on >> >>>>> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I >>>>> >> realized you could actually >> >>>>> make money doing this." >>>>> >>>>> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to >>>>> >> make the first of dozens of >> >>>>> trips >>>>> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara >>>>> >> Desert. >> >>>>> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally >>>>> >> humbled. >> >>>>> >> ______________________________________________ >> >>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.54/2300 - >>> >> Release Date: 08/13/09 06:11:00 >> >>> >>> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.54/2300 - Release Date: 08/13/09 06:11:00 >> >> From nuuska at dlc.fi Thu Aug 13 18:44:18 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:44:18 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <639985pcsq5qd1diiedcolk22cqlmke4bo@4ax.com> References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> <5e97e2850908131456n34c2ed94y95929f2bdac73740@mail.gmail.com> <4A8492BF.1070201@dlc.fi> <639985pcsq5qd1diiedcolk22cqlmke4bo@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4A849742.5010401@dlc.fi> Snake-oil has a long history, and it seems to continue in a more modern way... :-P Have to try that. best, pekka s Darren Garrison kirjoitti: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:25:03 +0300, you wrote: > > >> Think, the "Moon-drink" could be a great business-idea. >> > > They already have a Tunguska drink: > > http://www.dotheblast.com/ > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.54/2300 - Release Date: 08/13/09 06:11:00 > > From daistiho at hotmail.com Thu Aug 13 19:10:38 2009 From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:10:38 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I suggest that 'Planetary Punch' be on the menu at the next Tucson Bash. A suitable blend with a small admixture of Lunaite and Martian dust...;) Best! Tracy Latimer _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 20:14:27 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:14:27 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Tasty Moo and Mars rocks Message-ID: Both of those rocks look pretty tasty and I sprinkle meteorite dust on my plants, and I swear it makes them bloom better. You should see my Cacti, Gardenia and Jasmine bloom after a little Park Forest or Long Island dust. I think the cacti like Nantan flakes the best for good blooming. ;-) Brian From tinbider at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 13 21:51:39 2009 From: tinbider at yahoo.co.uk (Aubrey Whymark) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:51:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell Tektite Lamp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <979743.86088.qm@web28507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi List Unfortunately I never knew Darryl Futrell. I have, however, read many of his articles which I certainly find interesting even if I do not agree with the conclusions. In an article titled 'The Lunar Origin of Tektites' in Rock & Gem Feb 1999 there is a photo of a fantastic Tektite 'Tiffany' Style lamp. This was made by Dan Wright from natural un-cut thin splashform tektites from Thailand. See it here: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JHsNghP_3Rcb0QbP9zHr_w?authkey=Gv1sRgCM6XzLrq76-GKQ&feat=directlink Does anyone know what happened to this lamp? Also are there any more in existence? It is a fantastic piece! Regards, Aubrey www.tektites.co.uk --- On Thu, 13/8/09, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote: > From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > Subject: [meteorite-list] In memoriam Darryl Futrell - Gone but not forgotten > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, 13 August, 2009, 12:26 PM > Dear List, > > Saturday, 21 July 2001, Darryl sent me these lines: > > "Would you believe I have a letter from the Chinese Academy > of Sciences > in Beijing, from one of their top two tektite researchers, > inviting me to go > there and do tektite field work with them?" > > Monday, 13 August 2001, Darryl passed away after a severe > heart attack. > > Of course, he would have loved to accept this invitation, > but, alas, in the > same mail he also wrote: > > "Six or more years ago, I would have gone, but now there's > no way." > > > Best wishes, > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From pshugar at clearwire.net Thu Aug 13 22:17:03 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:17:03 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell Tektite Lamp References: <979743.86088.qm@web28507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Imagine what this would look like if it were made with a quantity of pallasite thin sections. THAT would be a sight to behold. Maybe I'd better declare it copyrighted so I don't loose the idea---- Pete IMCA 1733 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aubrey Whymark" To: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell Tektite Lamp > Hi List > > Unfortunately I never knew Darryl Futrell. I have, however, read many of > his articles which I certainly find interesting even if I do not agree > with the conclusions. > > In an article titled 'The Lunar Origin of Tektites' in Rock & Gem Feb 1999 > there is a photo of a fantastic Tektite 'Tiffany' Style lamp. This was > made by Dan Wright from natural un-cut thin splashform tektites from > Thailand. See it here: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JHsNghP_3Rcb0QbP9zHr_w?authkey=Gv1sRgCM6XzLrq76-GKQ&feat=directlink > > Does anyone know what happened to this lamp? Also are there any more in > existence? It is a fantastic piece! > > Regards, Aubrey > www.tektites.co.uk > > > --- On Thu, 13/8/09, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > wrote: > >> From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de >> Subject: [meteorite-list] In memoriam Darryl Futrell - Gone but not >> forgotten >> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thursday, 13 August, 2009, 12:26 PM >> Dear List, >> >> Saturday, 21 July 2001, Darryl sent me these lines: >> >> "Would you believe I have a letter from the Chinese Academy >> of Sciences >> in Beijing, from one of their top two tektite researchers, >> inviting me to go >> there and do tektite field work with them?" >> >> Monday, 13 August 2001, Darryl passed away after a severe >> heart attack. >> >> Of course, he would have loved to accept this invitation, >> but, alas, in the >> same mail he also wrote: >> >> "Six or more years ago, I would have gone, but now there's >> no way." >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Bernd >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mikewren at gilanet.com Thu Aug 13 22:51:30 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:51:30 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Over 10k in Auctions Listed-Check The Quick Link! Message-ID: Hello, Back from the field and I thought I would make everyone aware of a GREAT SET of Auctions for the week! Go To: http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ Thanks and Best Wishes Michael From jgrossman at usgs.gov Fri Aug 14 00:50:48 2009 From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:50:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA In-Reply-To: <93aaac890908092202u241fbae3i64c188acf6d61e57@mail.gmail.co m> References: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <93aaac890908092202u241fbae3i64c188acf6d61e57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20090814003159.05819048@usgs.gov> The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January 2000. But to really understand the history, you need to go back a few years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus a series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem meteorites, compounded by our inability to learn many details about those meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. We decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be applied as a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not been classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided and sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to investigate multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite provenance in the region. Thus it was decided that all of these meteorites would be named NWA, even those that had been classified. I'm not sure what ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the whole thing. Since I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there were no synonyms to publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. jeff Jeff At 01:02 AM 8/10/2009, Jason Utas wrote: >Dirk, Brian, All, >This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, Casper >sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name around >that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number of >similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the >mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, where >not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition). And >while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, this, >I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain. I >never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some >consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed. >Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's >NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper. I might only >call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that applies >to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites. Single name, >unknown number of meteorites. I don't know if it quite fits the >definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far off. >Regards, >Jason > >On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote: > > > > Dear Brian and List, > > Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. > > Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a > new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. > Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s > catalogue lists: > > 22.4g @ $44.80; > > 26.9g@ $53.80 > > 31.5g@ $63.00 > > 33.5g@ $67.00 > > 41.0g@ $82.00 > > 46.8g@ $93.60 > > 53.2g@ $106.40 > > 58.6g@ $117.20 > > 67.4g@ $134.80 > > 70.0g@ $140.00 > > 83.1g@ $166.20 > > 114.9g@ $229.80 > > 153.6g@ $307.20 > > > > In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece > photographed, which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term > for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. > > > > So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by > INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. > > > > I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks > and at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the > planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by > the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. > > The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was > Dean Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); > prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? > > > > Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a > mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the > day. Also missed the Great Habibi! > > > > When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine > beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. > > > > At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be > blue...Idir met Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be > at Kem-Kem at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. > > > > Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are > searchingforfun. > > > > Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: > > > >> From: Brian Cox > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name > before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM > >> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem > >> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey > >> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that > >> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from > >> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members > >> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. > >> > >> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey > >> just now in this auction. > >> > >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 > > > > > >> > >> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> IMCA # 6387 > >> > >> searchingforfun is my > >> ebay User ID > >> ______________________________________________ > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > > > > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 02:55:00 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:55:00 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC" name for NWAs, Northwest African meteorites Message-ID: Hi Jeff, Thank you very much for your explanation of Kem Kem and the NomCom approving the NWA designation because of all the confusion and the situation of all the meteorites coming out of the region. Thank you for mentioning that you and NomCom decided on "A Generic Term" Northwest Africa, that could be applied as a "Tracking" label to all stones. I really appreciate your explanation. All the best! Brian IMCA # 6387 From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 04:18:03 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:18:03 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC" name for NWAs, Northwest African meteorites Message-ID: <19BB00A135DF4DF1B932DC9B07ABF813@user6e6e286533> Jeff, Thanks again for your time and for bringing more light to the subject of the origination of the names, NWA and Kem Kem. You mentioned about where the Kem Kems went to and I forgot to mention that I have a piece of Kem Kem that I purchased back when Planet Brey meteorites got specimens of Kem Kem and I have it on ebay and if you want to have a look at it with the Original COA that says Kem Kem and the information on the card, here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH I added in the description that since it's technically Unclassified and probably an H5. Thanks again for your help and your wonderful and thorough explanation. Brian Cox IMCA # 6387 Searchingforfun is my ebay User ID [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA > Jeff Grossman jgrossman at usgs.gov > Fri Aug 14 00:50:48 EDT 2009 > > a.. Previous message: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for > NWA > b.. Next message: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name > before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom > approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January > 2000. But to really understand the history, you need to go back a > few years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the > first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were > being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus a > series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem meteorites, > compounded by our inability to learn many details about those > meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. We > decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be applied as > a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not been > classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided and > sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to investigate > multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite provenance in the > region. Thus it was decided that all of these meteorites would be > named NWA, even those that had been classified. I'm not sure what > ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the whole thing. Since > I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there were no synonyms to > publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. > > jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cox" To: Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC" name for NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > Hi Jeff, > > Thank you very much for your explanation of Kem Kem and the NomCom > approving the NWA designation because of all the confusion and the > situation of all the meteorites coming out of the region. > > Thank you for mentioning that you and NomCom decided on "A Generic Term" > Northwest Africa, that could be applied as a "Tracking" label to all > stones. > > I really appreciate your explanation. > > All the best! > > Brian > IMCA # 6387 [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA > Jeff Grossman jgrossman at usgs.gov > Fri Aug 14 00:50:48 EDT 2009 > > a.. Previous message: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for > NWA > b.. Next message: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name > before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom > approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January > 2000. But to really understand the history, you need to go back a > few years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the > first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were > being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus a > series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem meteorites, > compounded by our inability to learn many details about those > meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. We > decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be applied as > a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not been > classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided and > sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to investigate > multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite provenance in the > region. Thus it was decided that all of these meteorites would be > named NWA, even those that had been classified. I'm not sure what > ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the whole thing. Since > I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there were no synonyms to > publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. > > jeff > From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr Fri Aug 14 06:09:47 2009 From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:09:47 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20090814003159.05819048@usgs.gov> References: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <93aaac890908092202u241fbae3i64c188acf6d61e57@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20090814003159.05819048@usgs.gov> Message-ID: <20090814120947.hnuc70z0cjpwo0s8@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr> Hi List, To bring a little more confusion to the "Kem-Kem issue", here is another story. It deals with a meteorite found in South Morocco in 1998 (31?7'N / 5?11'W), thus at a time the generic NWA designation did not exist. That one stone weighing 1088 g was found by Michel Franco and, after analysis, the remaining mass of 942.5 g of that L6 was offered for sale (if I remember well at the Ste Marie-aux-Mines mineral show in 1999, where I purchased it). Michel told me that although fully analyzed at Open University, it had not yet a name but that he proposed "Kem Kem".... I don't know whether it was the first time that such name was proposed but Michel was very confident it will be accepted by the Nom. Com. so, in the meantime, I catalogued it in my collection using "Kem-Mem" as provisional name. Months or even years later, Michel told me that it eventually received another "generic" name, thus "NWA 052" (the NWA nomenclature just appeared in the Bulletins). I then changed the name but added "Kem-Lem" as SYNONYM. If you go to the Met Bull database, you will see that they now mention "Kem-Kem" as ORIGIN or PSEUDONYM for NWA 052, which seemed logical. Now after the debate we had these days and the clearings brought by Jeff, it is obvious that for my NWA 052, "Kem-Kem" is the origin, not a synonym nor pseudo. (I note that the same mention "origin or pseudonym: "Kem-Kem" is mentioned for NWA 753 (R3.9) found years after and this might also probably be the case for some other NWA's (I didn't check), which is in line with the whole issue cleared by Jeff. I will (just personally) retain "Kem-Kem" as synonym of my NWA 052 for "historical purposes", supposing this was the first NWA oringinating from the vast Kem-Kem region (something I am far from being sure - I did not check). I wish to thank once again Jeff for his statements, that are of real importance. My best, Zelimir PS: if anybody is interested, I can provide a list giving all the synonyms of the meteorites sitting in my collection, should this be of some help or general interest for someone. Jeff Grossman a ??crit??: > The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom > approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January 2000. > But to really understand the history, you need to go back a few > years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the > first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were > being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus > a series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem > meteorites, compounded by our inability to learn many details about > those meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. > We decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be > applied as a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not > been classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided > and sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to > investigate multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite > provenance in the region. Thus it was decided that all of these > meteorites would be named NWA, even those that had been classified. > I'm not sure what ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the > whole thing. Since I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there > were no synonyms to publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. > > jeff > > > Jeff > > At 01:02 AM 8/10/2009, Jason Utas wrote: >> Dirk, Brian, All, >> This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, Casper >> sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name around >> that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number of >> similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the >> mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, where >> not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition). And >> while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, this, >> I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain. I >> never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some >> consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed. >> Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's >> NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper. I might only >> call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that applies >> to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites. Single name, >> unknown number of meteorites. I don't know if it quite fits the >> definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far off. >> Regards, >> Jason >> >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote: >>> >>> Dear Brian and List, >>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a >>> new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. >>> Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". >>> Casper`s catalogue lists: >>> 22.4g @ $44.80; >>> 26.9g@ $53.80 >>> 31.5g@ $63.00 >>> 33.5g@ $67.00 >>> 41.0g@ $82.00 >>> 46.8g@ $93.60 >>> 53.2g@ $106.40 >>> 58.6g@ $117.20 >>> 67.4g@ $134.80 >>> 70.0g@ $140.00 >>> 83.1g@ $166.20 >>> 114.9g@ $229.80 >>> 153.6g@ $307.20 >>> >>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece >>> photographed, which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term >>> for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. >>> >>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by >>> INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >>> >>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and >>> at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the >>> planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by >>> the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. >>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean >>> Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); >>> prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? >>> >>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a >>> mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the >>> day. Also missed the Great Habibi! >>> >>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine >>> beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >>> >>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir >>> met Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem >>> at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. >>> >>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >>> searchingforfun. >>> >>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: >>> >>>> From: Brian Cox >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name >>>> before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>>> >>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>>> just now in this auction. >>>> >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> IMCA # 6387 >>>> >>>> searchingforfun is my >>>> ebay User ID >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> >>> >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 > 954 National Center > Reston, VA 20192, USA > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From fujmon at mac.com Fri Aug 14 10:59:40 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:59:40 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite Message-ID: Aloha, I received preliminary analysis results from Drs Jeff Taylor and Gary Huss of the University of Hawaii HIGP, of a submitted NWA achondrite that I suspected could be a lodranite. Dr Taylor used the institute's uRaman spectrometer to obtain spectra of the iridescent mineral, and much to everyone's surprise, it turns out to be Augite, not orthopyroxene, and certainly not plagioclase. Taylor states the main phase appears to be olivine, which would make the specimen more likely to be a brachinite. The next step is analysis in a low-pressure SEM next week, to check phase compositions, verification of high Ca content in the augite, and Fe/Mg in the phases. Sample spectral data can be seen here: http://astroday.net/meteorites.html Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 11:03:24 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (star_wars_collector at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:03:24 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] GA meteorite event info Message-ID: <600372529-1250262203-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1632903892-@bxe1125.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hey, can anyone with info on the GA meteorite event sat send me an email off list with info, time, etc... I am on my way back from FL today (as I type) and may stay over for the event and check it out. Thanks, Greg C Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Fri Aug 14 11:11:40 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:11:40 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gary: That is really interesting. It has always amazed me how different some minerals appear (luster and crystal form) in space rocks. Not to mention minerals not even found in terrestrial rocks. That is one reason I enjoy this hobby so much. Congratulations on your specimen. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > From: fujmon at mac.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:59:40 -1000 > Subject: [meteorite-list] uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite > > Aloha, > > I received preliminary analysis results from Drs Jeff Taylor and Gary > Huss of the University of Hawaii HIGP, of a submitted NWA achondrite > that I suspected could be a lodranite. Dr Taylor used the institute's > uRaman spectrometer to obtain spectra of the iridescent mineral, and > much to everyone's surprise, it turns out to be Augite, not > orthopyroxene, and certainly not plagioclase. Taylor states the main > phase appears to be olivine, which would make the specimen more likely > to be a brachinite. The next step is analysis in a low-pressure SEM > next week, to check phase compositions, verification of high Ca > content in the augite, and Fe/Mg in the phases. > > Sample spectral data can be seen here: http://astroday.net/meteorites.html > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From stm at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 14 12:07:05 2009 From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:07:05 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] GA meteorite event info In-Reply-To: <600372529-1250262203-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1632903892-@bxe1125.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <600372529-1250262203-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1632903892-@bxe1125.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <89202AA885C74E3C927EAB808067600F@Platinum2> http://www.meteoriteassociationofgeorgia.org/Events.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] GA meteorite event info Hey, can anyone with info on the GA meteorite event sat send me an email off list with info, time, etc... I am on my way back from FL today (as I type) and may stay over for the event and check it out. Thanks, Greg C Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 12:08:25 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:08:25 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem References: Message-ID: <88463B7863A04585A1360C41237D37B8@user6e6e286533> Hello Zelmir, Thank you very much for adding more information and history to the discussion of Kem Kem, I appreciate your input. Thanks again and have a great day! Brian IMCA# 6387 searchingforfun is my ebay User Id ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:00 AM Subject: Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 71, Issue 32 > Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > meteorite-list-request at meteoritecentral.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > meteorite-list-owner at meteoritecentral.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA > (Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr) > 2. uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite (Gary Fujihara) > 3. GA meteorite event info (star_wars_collector at yahoo.com) > 4. Re: uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite (Greg Stanley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:09:47 +0200 > From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA > To: Jeff Grossman > Cc: Meteorite-list > Message-ID: <20090814120947.hnuc70z0cjpwo0s8 at w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; > format="flowed" > > Hi List, > > To bring a little more confusion to the "Kem-Kem issue", here is > another story. > > It deals with a meteorite found in South Morocco in 1998 (31?7'N / > 5?11'W), thus at a time the generic NWA designation did not exist. > > That one stone weighing 1088 g was found by Michel Franco and, after > analysis, the remaining mass of 942.5 g of that L6 was offered for > sale (if I remember well at the Ste Marie-aux-Mines mineral show in > 1999, where I purchased it). > > Michel told me that although fully analyzed at Open University, it had > not yet a name but that he proposed "Kem Kem".... > > I don't know whether it was the first time that such name was proposed > but Michel was very confident it will be accepted by the Nom. Com. so, > in the meantime, I catalogued it in my collection using "Kem-Mem" as > provisional name. > > Months or even years later, Michel told me that it eventually received > another "generic" name, thus "NWA 052" (the NWA nomenclature just > appeared in the Bulletins). > I then changed the name but added "Kem-Lem" as SYNONYM. > > If you go to the Met Bull database, you will see that they now mention > "Kem-Kem" as ORIGIN or PSEUDONYM for NWA 052, which seemed logical. > > Now after the debate we had these days and the clearings brought by > Jeff, it is obvious that for my NWA 052, "Kem-Kem" is the origin, not > a synonym nor pseudo. > > (I note that the same mention "origin or pseudonym: "Kem-Kem" is > mentioned for NWA 753 (R3.9) found years after and this might also > probably be the case for some other NWA's (I didn't check), which is > in line with the whole issue cleared by Jeff. > > I will (just personally) retain "Kem-Kem" as synonym of my NWA 052 for > "historical purposes", supposing this was the first NWA oringinating > from the vast Kem-Kem region (something I am far from being sure - I > did not check). > > I wish to thank once again Jeff for his statements, that are of real > importance. > > My best, > > Zelimir > > PS: if anybody is interested, I can provide a list giving all the > synonyms of the meteorites sitting in my collection, should this be of > some help or general interest for someone. > > > > Jeff Grossman a ??crit??: > >> The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom >> approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January 2000. >> But to really understand the history, you need to go back a few >> years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the >> first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were >> being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus >> a series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem >> meteorites, compounded by our inability to learn many details about >> those meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. >> We decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be >> applied as a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not >> been classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided >> and sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to >> investigate multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite >> provenance in the region. Thus it was decided that all of these >> meteorites would be named NWA, even those that had been classified. >> I'm not sure what ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the >> whole thing. Since I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there >> were no synonyms to publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. >> >> jeff >> >> >> Jeff >> >> At 01:02 AM 8/10/2009, Jason Utas wrote: >>> Dirk, Brian, All, >>> This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, Casper >>> sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name around >>> that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number of >>> similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the >>> mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, where >>> not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition). And >>> while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, this, >>> I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain. I >>> never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some >>> consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed. >>> Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's >>> NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper. I might only >>> call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that applies >>> to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites. Single name, >>> unknown number of meteorites. I don't know if it quite fits the >>> definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far off. >>> Regards, >>> Jason >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Brian and List, >>>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >>>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a >>>> new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. >>>> Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". >>>> Casper`s catalogue lists: >>>> 22.4g @ $44.80; >>>> 26.9g@ $53.80 >>>> 31.5g@ $63.00 >>>> 33.5g@ $67.00 >>>> 41.0g@ $82.00 >>>> 46.8g@ $93.60 >>>> 53.2g@ $106.40 >>>> 58.6g@ $117.20 >>>> 67.4g@ $134.80 >>>> 70.0g@ $140.00 >>>> 83.1g@ $166.20 >>>> 114.9g@ $229.80 >>>> 153.6g@ $307.20 >>>> >>>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece >>>> photographed, which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term >>>> for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. >>>> >>>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by >>>> INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >>>> >>>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and >>>> at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the >>>> planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by >>>> the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. >>>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean >>>> Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); >>>> prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? >>>> >>>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a >>>> mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the >>>> day. Also missed the Great Habibi! >>>> >>>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine >>>> beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >>>> >>>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir >>>> met Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem >>>> at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. >>>> >>>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >>>> searchingforfun. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: >>>> >>>>> From: Brian Cox >>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name >>>>> before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>>>> >>>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>>>> just now in this auction. >>>>> >>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>>>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> IMCA # 6387 >>>>> >>>>> searchingforfun is my >>>>> ebay User ID >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> >>>> >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 >> US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 >> 954 National Center >> Reston, VA 20192, USA >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:59:40 -1000 > From: Gary Fujihara > Subject: [meteorite-list] uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite > To: MeteorList > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Aloha, > > I received preliminary analysis results from Drs Jeff Taylor and Gary > Huss of the University of Hawaii HIGP, of a submitted NWA achondrite > that I suspected could be a lodranite. Dr Taylor used the institute's > uRaman spectrometer to obtain spectra of the iridescent mineral, and > much to everyone's surprise, it turns out to be Augite, not > orthopyroxene, and certainly not plagioclase. Taylor states the main > phase appears to be olivine, which would make the specimen more likely > to be a brachinite. The next step is analysis in a low-pressure SEM > next week, to check phase compositions, verification of high Ca > content in the augite, and Fe/Mg in the phases. > > Sample spectral data can be seen here: http://astroday.net/meteorites.html > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:03:24 +0000 > From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] GA meteorite event info > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Message-ID: > <600372529-1250262203-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1632903892- at bxe1125.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Hey, can anyone with info on the GA meteorite event sat send me an email > off list with info, time, etc... > I am on my way back from FL today (as I type) and may stay over for the > event and check it out. > Thanks, > Greg C > > Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:11:40 -0700 > From: Greg Stanley > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite > To: , > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Gary: > > That is really interesting. It has always amazed me how different some > minerals appear (luster and crystal form) in space rocks. Not to mention > minerals not even found in terrestrial rocks. That is one reason I enjoy > this hobby so much. > > Congratulations on your specimen. > > Greg S. > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: fujmon at mac.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:59:40 -1000 >> Subject: [meteorite-list] uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite >> >> Aloha, >> >> I received preliminary analysis results from Drs Jeff Taylor and Gary >> Huss of the University of Hawaii HIGP, of a submitted NWA achondrite >> that I suspected could be a lodranite. Dr Taylor used the institute's >> uRaman spectrometer to obtain spectra of the iridescent mineral, and >> much to everyone's surprise, it turns out to be Augite, not >> orthopyroxene, and certainly not plagioclase. Taylor states the main >> phase appears to be olivine, which would make the specimen more likely >> to be a brachinite. The next step is analysis in a low-pressure SEM >> next week, to check phase compositions, verification of high Ca >> content in the augite, and Fe/Mg in the phases. >> >> Sample spectral data can be seen here: >> http://astroday.net/meteorites.html >> >> Gary Fujihara >> AstroDay Institute >> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >> http://astroday.net >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > End of Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 71, Issue 32 > ********************************************** From fujmon at mac.com Fri Aug 14 12:18:28 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:18:28 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay auctions ending Saturday Message-ID: Aloha, I have an auction ending Saturday of some oriented NWA 869, Bassikounou, Campo del Cielo, Norton County, uNWA pallasite, and Oum Dreyga, and other items that may be of interest to you. Some items are still at 99? Cherry NWA 869 23.18g complete individual http://cgi.ebay.com/CHERRY-NWA-869-L4-6-Meteorite-23-18g-Thumbprinted-beaut_W0QQitemZ230365428714QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d97bea&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_924 Oriented NWA 869 85.83g complete individual http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Oriented-NWA-869-L4-6-Meteorite-85-83g-AWESOME_W0QQitemZ230365432352QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d98a20&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_924 Bassikounou 106g Fresh complete individual http://cgi.ebay.com/Bassikounou-H5-Fresh-106g-AWESOME-meteorite-95-FC_W0QQitemZ230365429511QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d97f07&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_924 Etched Campo del Cielo 192g slice http://cgi.ebay.com/Campo-del-Cielo-IAB-192g-etched-meteorite-slice-AWESOME_W0QQitemZ230365430212QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d981c4&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 Norton County 0.6g Primo crusted fragments http://cgi.ebay.com/Campo-del-Cielo-IAB-192g-etched-meteorite-slice-AWESOME_W0QQitemZ230365430212QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d981c4&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 uNWA Pallasite 1.77g Olivine encrusted fragment http://cgi.ebay.com/uNWA-Pallasite-meteorite-1-77g-olivine-encrusted-fragme_W0QQitemZ230365431259QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d985db&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_924 Oum Dreyga 18g 99% FC Almost perfect individual http://cgi.ebay.com/Oum-Dreyga-H5-Meteorite-18g-99-Fusion-Crusted-BEAUTY_W0QQitemZ230365432847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d98c0f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_924 See all the items up for auction here: http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From cynapse at charter.net Fri Aug 14 13:38:14 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:38:14 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kids find a meteor! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1351790?UserKey= From anitawestlake at att.net Fri Aug 14 12:46:30 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Kids find a meteor! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <104384.36744.qm@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Don't know from the picture if it's a real meteorite, but Jack is certainly star material! Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: Darren Garrison To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:38:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Kids find a meteor! http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1351790?UserKey= ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From tinbider at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 14 12:50:11 2009 From: tinbider at yahoo.co.uk (Aubrey Whymark) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:50:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell huge Philippinite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <717773.39377.qm@web28506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi List On the same link I posted earlier regarding the tektite lamp: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JHsNghP_3Rcb0QbP9zHr_w?authkey=Gv1sRgCM6XzLrq76-GKQ&feat=directlink does anyone know what happened to the huge Beyer Philippinite weighing 1,065g (1,069g on Beyer's scales)? It'd be good to know where this one ended up. Large tektites are still coming out of Bikol but are very rare. In the last couple of years (to my knowledge) there have been a few over 700g, maybe 1 over 800g and none above this. Des and I frequently get reports of 1 kilo tektites but they always turn out to weigh much less. There may be a few more that are in the hands of other western/asian foreigners but again the weight is usually much exaggerated by the sellers who cannot afford scales. The largest original tektite spheres always fragment (like the other two irregular specimens shown). Presumably they are thermodynamically unstable above 1 kilo. Regards, Aubrey www.tektites.co.uk From mark at meteorites.cc Fri Aug 14 12:45:38 2009 From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:45:38 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kids find a meteor! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8594B2.8000600@meteorites.cc> "UFO Crash Lands"? Dear dear... ;-) Darren Garrison wrote: > http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1351790?UserKey= > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 795 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 14 15:01:05 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:01:05 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem Message-ID: So far there are NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755 with the pseudonym of Kem Kem. Anymore? should be at least one more with a H5(?) classification (Brian Cox/PlanetBrey),but probably many more. Interesting topic. Carl _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM From fujmon at mac.com Fri Aug 14 15:14:13 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:14:13 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA In-Reply-To: <20090814120947.hnuc70z0cjpwo0s8@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr> References: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <93aaac890908092202u241fbae3i64c188acf6d61e57@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20090814003159.05819048@usgs.gov> <20090814120947.hnuc70z0cjpwo0s8@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr> Message-ID: <66540CB5-CD58-4E1D-9FFC-86054150E6A2@mac.com> Aloha Jeff and Zelimir, Mahalo for the history lesson on Kem Kem. It was both informative and interesting, and provides insight into meteorite hunting in pre-NWA days. gary On Aug 14, 2009, at 12:09 AM, Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr wrote: > Hi List, > > To bring a little more confusion to the "Kem-Kem issue", here is > another story. > > It deals with a meteorite found in South Morocco in 1998 (31?7'N / > 5?11'W), thus at a time the generic NWA designation did not exist. > > That one stone weighing 1088 g was found by Michel Franco and, after > analysis, the remaining mass of 942.5 g of that L6 was offered for > sale (if I remember well at the Ste Marie-aux-Mines mineral show in > 1999, where I purchased it). > > Michel told me that although fully analyzed at Open University, it > had not yet a name but that he proposed "Kem Kem".... > > I don't know whether it was the first time that such name was > proposed but Michel was very confident it will be accepted by the > Nom. Com. so, in the meantime, I catalogued it in my collection > using "Kem-Mem" as provisional name. > > Months or even years later, Michel told me that it eventually > received another "generic" name, thus "NWA 052" (the NWA > nomenclature just appeared in the Bulletins). > I then changed the name but added "Kem-Lem" as SYNONYM. > > If you go to the Met Bull database, you will see that they now > mention "Kem-Kem" as ORIGIN or PSEUDONYM for NWA 052, which seemed > logical. > > Now after the debate we had these days and the clearings brought by > Jeff, it is obvious that for my NWA 052, "Kem-Kem" is the origin, > not a synonym nor pseudo. > > (I note that the same mention "origin or pseudonym: "Kem-Kem" is > mentioned for NWA 753 (R3.9) found years after and this might also > probably be the case for some other NWA's (I didn't check), which is > in line with the whole issue cleared by Jeff. > > I will (just personally) retain "Kem-Kem" as synonym of my NWA 052 > for "historical purposes", supposing this was the first NWA > oringinating from the vast Kem-Kem region (something I am far from > being sure - I did not check). > > I wish to thank once again Jeff for his statements, that are of real > importance. > > My best, > > Zelimir > > PS: if anybody is interested, I can provide a list giving all the > synonyms of the meteorites sitting in my collection, should this be > of some help or general interest for someone. > > > > Jeff Grossman a ??crit? : > >> The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom >> approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January >> 2000. But to really understand the history, you need to go back a >> few years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was >> the first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites >> were being transported and sold in this region. With this history, >> plus a series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem >> meteorites, compounded by our inability to learn many details about >> those meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some >> kind. We decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could >> be applied as a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had >> not been classified, so that individual meteorites would not be >> divided and sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to >> investigate multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite >> provenance in the region. Thus it was decided that all of these >> meteorites would be named NWA, even those that had been >> classified. I'm not sure what ever happened to the Kem Kems that >> triggered the whole thing. Since I don't think Casper ever >> numbered them, there were no synonyms to publish, assuming they >> eventually became NWAs. >> >> jeff >> >> >> Jeff >> >> At 01:02 AM 8/10/2009, Jason Utas wrote: >>> Dirk, Brian, All, >>> This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, >>> Casper >>> sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name >>> around >>> that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number >>> of >>> similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the >>> mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, >>> where >>> not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition). >>> And >>> while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, >>> this, >>> I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain. I >>> never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some >>> consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed. >>> Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's >>> NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper. I might only >>> call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that >>> applies >>> to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites. Single name, >>> unknown number of meteorites. I don't know if it quite fits the >>> definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far >>> off. >>> Regards, >>> Jason >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Brian and List, >>>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >>>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a >>>> new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. >>>> Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". >>>> Casper`s catalogue lists: >>>> 22.4g @ $44.80; >>>> 26.9g@ $53.80 >>>> 31.5g@ $63.00 >>>> 33.5g@ $67.00 >>>> 41.0g@ $82.00 >>>> 46.8g@ $93.60 >>>> 53.2g@ $106.40 >>>> 58.6g@ $117.20 >>>> 67.4g@ $134.80 >>>> 70.0g@ $140.00 >>>> 83.1g@ $166.20 >>>> 114.9g@ $229.80 >>>> 153.6g@ $307.20 >>>> >>>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece >>>> photographed, which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all >>>> term for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as >>>> you wrote. >>>> >>>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by >>>> INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >>>> >>>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and >>>> at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the >>>> planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by >>>> the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. >>>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was >>>> Dean Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for >>>> shade); prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? >>>> >>>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a >>>> mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the >>>> day. Also missed the Great Habibi! >>>> >>>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine >>>> beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >>>> >>>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir >>>> met Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem- >>>> Kem at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows >>>> fall. >>>> >>>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >>>> searchingforfun. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> From: Brian Cox >>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name >>>>> before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>>>> >>>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>>>> just now in this auction. >>>>> >>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>>>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> IMCA # 6387 >>>>> >>>>> searchingforfun is my >>>>> ebay User ID >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> >>>> >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 >> US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 >> 954 National Center >> Reston, VA 20192, USA >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Fri Aug 14 15:32:45 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:32:45 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Some Creative Destruction on a Cosmic Scale Message-ID: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125020578491030557.html?mod=googlenews_wsj Greg S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM From gmhupe at htn.net Fri Aug 14 15:41:55 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:41:55 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem References: Message-ID: Hello Carl and All, I think the real question here should be if all of the classified "NWA/KemKem" meteorites you mentioned (NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755) are even paired. I do not think any scientist would currently check these out personally and compare them, just being a chondrite and all. I think it was a good thing the NomComm realized quickly and early-on (late 90's) that things would get way out of hand without a "generic" Northwest Africa (NWA) designation to achieve some sort of order with the flood of different meteorites that were coming out of Northwest Africa (Morocco), and have since. Generic designations, of course, have been applied to Oman finds and other regions of the world. Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl 's" To: Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem > > > > So far there are NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755 with the pseudonym of Kem Kem. > Anymore? should be at least one more with a H5(?) classification (Brian > Cox/PlanetBrey),but probably many more. Interesting topic. > > Carl > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! > http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 17:09:57 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:09:57 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Re; Kem Kem Message-ID: <78699FBCE34D4ADD8E36B736CBE86DCA@user6e6e286533> Hi Gary, Thanks for giving us more information on Kem Kem and NWAs. It's always good to hear from so many bright people that have knowledge to share so myself and others can learn more. Your photomicrographs of your NWA are beautiful. I'm anxious to hear more about it and that would be great to have a lodranite. Have a great day and clear star filled night! Brian From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 14 17:13:48 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:13:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kids find a meteor! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Luckily, no kids were injured by ricocheting rocks this time! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/5511619/14-year-old-hit-by-30000-mph-space-meteorite.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/5511619/14-year-old-hit-by-30000-mph-space-meteorite.html I suspect we will see an increase of kids looking for their fifteen minutes of fame like this. Cheers, Pete ---------------------------------------- > From: cynapse at charter.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:38:14 -0500 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Kids find a meteor! > > http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1351790?UserKey= > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 From jnbran at verizon.net Fri Aug 14 17:20:01 2009 From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:20:01 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Collection Sale Message-ID: <009d01ca1d24$fc747840$4001a8c0@yourlk4rlmsu41> Collection Sale Hello List, I have been aggressively collecting meteorites for the past 12 years and have decided to sell off some of my collection specimens that are in many regards one of a kind pieces and are of high quality. The provenance on all most all specimens can be traced back to the finder/institution and all are superior in their own right. All prices are below retail and many below wholesale, which is unheard of for their quality. Thank you for looking and please email me with any question. Thanks and Take Care, Jason Phillips Rocks from Heaven www.rocksfromheaven.com 217-832-4505 Esquel, Argentina Classification: Pallasite Weight: 21 grams This is a thin longer slice with translucent crystals. Price: $500 Plainview, Texas Classification: H5 Weight: 230 gram full slice with Monnig #'s M5.7 painted on Find 1917 Price: $600 Richfield, Kansas Classification: LL3.7 Weight: 104 grams Awesome looking full slice with great interior clasts. Price: $400 Oriented unclassified individuals, Morocco Several small individuals showing flow lines, lipping, and trailing Weight: 888 grams comprised in 27 individuals. Price: All for $1.50/gram Oriented individual, Morocco Weight: 377 grams Nice looking specimen with good crust and a couple of thumb prints. Price: $350 Dhofar 005, Oman Classification: L6 Weight: 278 grams Awesome complete stone. Price: $125 Kainsaz, Russia Classification: CO3.1 Weight: 28.89 grams Awesome full slice with complete crust and is 2 mm thick. Price: $350 NWA 2924, Morocco Classification: Mesosiderite Weight: 33 grams Cool looking piece with blobs of metal. Price: $125 Faucett, MO Classification: H5 Weight: 124 grams Full slice from the collection of Bob Haag Price: $300 NWA 1930, Morocco Classification: LL3 Weight: 32 grams Sells for $10/gram normally. Price: $65 Thuathe, Lesotho (Witnessed fall) Classification: H4 Weight: 177 grams Stone #1039 in the recorded material from this fall. Paperwork with all the data of this stone. Price: $550 NWA unclassified slice, Morocco Weight: 247.7 grams Very large slice with great interior features. Price: $125 Jilin, China (Witnessed fall) Classification: H5 Weight: 218 grams Awesome fusion crusted piece and very fresh. Price: $1000 NWA 1936, Morocco Classification: H4 Weight: 85.5 grams The nicest H4 I have ever seen with great multi-colored chondrules Price: $300 Chinga, Russia Classification: Ataxite Weight: 349 grams A complete slice polished to a mirror, just wonderful. Price: $425 Markovka, Russia Classification: H4 Weight: 124.7 grams A complete slice with great polish. Price: $400 NWA 267, Morocco Classification: H3 Weight: 636 grams This is from Dean Bessey first large meteorite offering. Price: $225 Woodbine, Illinois Classification: Silicated Iron Weight: 5.23 grams Really neat part slice. Price: $275 St. Augustine, Illinois Classification: Iron Weight: 3.75 grams Rarely seen meteorite endcut with crust. Price: $250 Al Haggounia 001, Morocco Classification: EL3 (aubrite?) Weight: 9090 grams, excellent endcut showing dual interior features (blue and brown) Purchased directly from finder who submitted classification. Price: $1200 NWA 5793, Morocco Classification: LL3.8 Weight: 21 grams This endcut shows dual lithologies Price: $110 NWA 1929, Morocco Classification: Howardite Weight: 118 gram endcut (true main mass) Price: $750 Gujba, Africa (Witnessed fall) Clasification: Bencubbinite Weight: 21 grams, a beautiful larger thin slice Price: $600 Dhofar 1289 Classification: L4 with multi-colored chondrites Weight: 472 gram endcut Price: $200 El Hammami Mountains, Africa (Witnessed fall) Classification: H5 Weight: 1676 grams Shows some evidence of camel sweat from being carried out of the desert, pretty cool huh. Price: $1200 Dhofar 020, Oman Classification: H4/5 Weight: 88 grams, beautiful black stone Price: $50 Nuevo Mercurio, Mexico (Witnessed fall 1978) Classification: H4 Weight: 131 grams, beautiful complete stone Price: $1000 Northbranch, Kansas Classification: H5 Weight: 99.9 grams >From the Jim Westcott Collection with numbers painted on (50010) Price: $150 Tolar, New Mexico Classification: H4 Weight: 116 grams, full slice Price: $250 Davy A, Texas Classification: L4 Weight: 183.5 grams Find: 1940 Price: $350 Wanapite impact breccia Beautiful large slice and it's sister slice is at ASU meteorite lab. Weight: 1145 grams Price: $250 Sudbury black onaping breccia Complete slice that is 15 inches long and extremely beautiful. Weight: 1018 grams Price: $250 Azura Impactite Weight: 444 grams Price: $50 Oriented unclassified chondrite, Morocco Weight: 2552 Excellent specimen of orientation and can be seen on the collection page of my website. Price: $1500 NWA 4300, Morocco Classification: H5, S2, W2 Weight: 4132 grams Oriented specimen with flow lines that go up to 9mm in depth. Price: $1500 Unclassified chondrites Weights: Up to 10.5 kgs All of these were cherry picked over the years of shipments from Morocco, many with flow lines and thumb printing and dark crust. Price: $0.10-0.25/gram From jnbran at verizon.net Fri Aug 14 16:32:23 2009 From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:32:23 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Collection sale References: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <93aaac890908092202u241fbae3i64c188acf6d61e57@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20090814003159.05819048@usgs.gov> Message-ID: <008301ca1d1e$54869150$4001a8c0@yourlk4rlmsu41> Collection Sale Hello List, I have been aggressively collecting meteorites for the past 12 years and have decided to sell off some of my collection specimens that are in many regards one of a kind pieces and are of high quality. The provenance on all most all specimens can be traced back to the finder/institution and all are superior in their own right. All prices are below retail and many below wholesale, which is unheard of for their quality. Thank you for looking and please email me with any question. Thanks and Take Care, Jason Phillips Rocks from Heaven www.rocksfromheaven.com 217-832-4505 Esquel, Argentina Classification: Pallasite Weight: 21 grams This is a thin longer slice with translucent crystals. Price: $500 Plainview, Texas Classification: H5 Weight: 230 gram full slice with Monnig #'s M5.7 painted on Find 1917 Price: $600 Richfield, Kansas Classification: LL3.7 Weight: 104 grams Awesome looking full slice with great interior clasts. Price: $400 Oriented unclassified individuals, Morocco Several small individuals showing flow lines, lipping, and trailing Weight: 888 grams comprised in 27 individuals. Price: All for $1.50/gram Oriented individual, Morocco Weight: 377 grams Nice looking specimen with good crust and a couple of thumb prints. Price: $350 Dhofar 005, Oman Classification: L6 Weight: 278 grams Awesome complete stone. Price: $125 Kainsaz, Russia Classification: CO3.1 Weight: 28.89 grams Awesome full slice with complete crust and is 2 mm thick. Price: $350 NWA 2924, Morocco Classification: Mesosiderite Weight: 33 grams Cool looking piece with blobs of metal. Price: $125 Faucett, MO Classification: H5 Weight: 124 grams Full slice from the collection of Bob Haag Price: $300 NWA 1930, Morocco Classification: LL3 Weight: 32 grams Sells for $10/gram normally. Price: $65 Thuathe, Lesotho (Witnessed fall) Classification: H4 Weight: 177 grams Stone #1039 in the recorded material from this fall. Paperwork with all the data of this stone. Price: $550 NWA unclassified slice, Morocco Weight: 247.7 grams Very large slice with great interior features. Price: $125 Jilin, China (Witnessed fall) Classification: H5 Weight: 218 grams Awesome fusion crusted piece and very fresh. Price: $1000 NWA 1936, Morocco Classification: H4 Weight: 85.5 grams The nicest H4 I have ever seen with great multi-colored chondrules Price: $300 Chinga, Russia Classification: Ataxite Weight: 349 grams A complete slice polished to a mirror, just wonderful. Price: $425 Markovka, Russia Classification: H4 Weight: 124.7 grams A complete slice with great polish. Price: $400 NWA 267, Morocco Classification: H3 Weight: 636 grams This is from Dean Bessey first large meteorite offering. Price: $225 Woodbine, Illinois Classification: Silicated Iron Weight: 5.23 grams Really neat part slice. Price: $275 St. Augustine, Illinois Classification: Iron Weight: 3.75 grams Rarely seen meteorite endcut with crust. Price: $250 Al Haggounia 001, Morocco Classification: EL3 (aubrite?) Weight: 9090 grams, excellent endcut showing dual interior features (blue and brown) Purchased directly from finder who submitted classification. Price: $1200 NWA 5793, Morocco Classification: LL3.8 Weight: 21 grams This endcut shows dual lithologies Price: $110 NWA 1929, Morocco Classification: Howardite Weight: 118 gram endcut (true main mass) Price: $750 Gujba, Africa (Witnessed fall) Clasification: Bencubbinite Weight: 21 grams, a beautiful larger thin slice Price: $600 Dhofar 1289 Classification: L4 with multi-colored chondrites Weight: 472 gram endcut Price: $200 El Hammami Mountains, Africa (Witnessed fall) Classification: H5 Weight: 1676 grams Shows some evidence of camel sweat from being carried out of the desert, pretty cool huh. Price: $1200 Dhofar 020, Oman Classification: H4/5 Weight: 88 grams, beautiful black stone Price: $50 Nuevo Mercurio, Mexico (Witnessed fall 1978) Classification: H4 Weight: 131 grams, beautiful complete stone Price: $1000 Northbranch, Kansas Classification: H5 Weight: 99.9 grams >From the Jim Westcott Collection with numbers painted on (50010) Price: $150 Tolar, New Mexico Classification: H4 Weight: 116 grams, full slice Price: $250 Davy A, Texas Classification: L4 Weight: 183.5 grams Find: 1940 Price: $350 Wanapite impact breccia Beautiful large slice and it's sister slice is at ASU meteorite lab. Weight: 1145 grams Price: $250 Sudbury black onaping breccia Complete slice that is 15 inches long and extremely beautiful. Weight: 1018 grams Price: $250 Azura Impactite Weight: 444 grams Price: $50 Oriented unclassified chondrite, Morocco Weight: 2552 Excellent specimen of orientation and can be seen on the collection page of my website. Price: $1500 NWA 4300, Morocco Classification: H5, S2, W2 Weight: 4132 grams Oriented specimen with flow lines that go up to 9mm in depth. Price: $1500 Unclassified chondrites Weights: Up to 10.5 kgs All of these were cherry picked over the years of shipments from Morocco, many with flow lines and thumb printing and dark crust. Price: $0.10-0.25/gram From larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net Fri Aug 14 18:14:24 2009 From: larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net (Larry & Twink Monrad) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:14:24 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell huge Philippinite References: <717773.39377.qm@web28506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03694638955E4AEB939362D7DDED1762@DFZN8X81> I bid on a huge Futrell layered tektite at the Michael Blood auction several years ago at the Tucson Show, just weighed it and mine is 684. I was hoping it might have been one of the large ones you referenced. Twink Monrad From mexicodoug at aim.com Fri Aug 14 18:13:17 2009 From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:13:17 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Stovepiping In-Reply-To: <64602e8ead5f46e9851f671049223210@ucv1.vhostdns.com> References: <64602e8ead5f46e9851f671049223210@ucv1.vhostdns.com> Message-ID: <8CBEB438DC625F0-948-14D1@WEBMAIL-MY10.sysops.aol.com> McCartney wrote: "I use stovepiping to describe the feature on the leeside of a oriented meteorite." Stovepiping is a colorful term, even with political connotations. For oriented, icicled or "spiculigenous meteorites", do the terms "spiculiform" (adj.) and spicules (n.) have precedence? If they are really thin, hairlike projections, would cilium (pl. cilia, adj. ciliated) work? Best wishes from lee side, Doug http://www.diecasts.biz/images/M/400/057195.jpg ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From twelker at alaska.net Fri Aug 14 17:35:04 2009 From: twelker at alaska.net (Eric Twelker) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:35:04 -0800 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem References: <199909141541.LAA20568@emerald.lightlink.com> Message-ID: <3EE78AA9-5878-4341-8E5C-1D01885FA44D@alaska.net> FWIW Eric Twelker Begin forwarded message: > Resent-From: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > From: "Michael Casper" > Date: September 14, 1999 7:37:25 AM GMT-08:00 > To: > Subject: * SALE * KEN KEN, DAHARA, MOROCCO * SALE > Reply-To: > > LIVE FROM DENVER! > > We just secured a load (75KG) of a new find! > > Ken Ken, Dahara, Morocco > Found August 1999 > 4 different meteorites found within 10km > > This is a brand new find and is 4 different types. Looks like > H 5 and L 6 or maybe BETTER! This load was foun over several > weeks of searching by aproximately 500 folks of "the berber tribe".j > > Here is the deal! I will sell no less than 2.5 KG @ $.40 per gram. > That is $1000.00 MINIMUM ORDER. I will ship overnight if payment > is MC/VISA. > > Included in each shipment will be some of each of 4 different > meteorites. > > Michael > > > Casper Meteorites, Inc. > P. O. Drawer J > Ithaca, New York 14851 > USA > 607-257-5349 (phone) > 607-266-7904 (fax) > email: casper at meteorites.com > > > ---------- > Archives located at: > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/list_best.html > > For help, FAQ's and sub. info. visit: > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing_list.html > ---------- > From mlblood at cox.net Fri Aug 14 18:44:19 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:44:19 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] HELP In-Reply-To: <009d01ca1d24$fc747840$4001a8c0@yourlk4rlmsu41> Message-ID: Hi All, Does ANYONE have a good JPG (the bigger the better) Of the oriented Brenham at the Tucson show a couple years Ago???? My book is about to be put together and I cannot get anyone (including Steve Arnold or Geoff Notkin!) PLEASE, if anyone has a good photo of this spectacular Specimen in its stand at the Tucson Show, please let me use It for my book and I will give you photo credit (of course). RSVP off list, please. Thanks, Michael From mikewren at gilanet.com Fri Aug 14 19:11:11 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:11:11 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: RARE - WABAR specimens added to Store! On Sale Too ! Message-ID: Hello, I forgot to add my Wabar slices on my last post. Type in WABAR in my store search box. http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history Also, once again, here is the link to all my auctions for the week. http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ Thanks for putting up with 2 posts this week! Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From mlblood at cox.net Fri Aug 14 19:15:53 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:15:53 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] HELP Given In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks all, Dolores Hill was so kind as to send me an excellent Example of the Photo I needed. Thanks, Dolores! None others needed -thanks all. Best wishes, Michael On 8/14/09 3:44 PM, "Michael Blood" wrote: > Hi All, > Does ANYONE have a good JPG (the bigger the better) > Of the oriented Brenham at the Tucson show a couple years > Ago???? > My book is about to be put together and I cannot get anyone > (including Steve Arnold or Geoff Notkin!) > PLEASE, if anyone has a good photo of this spectacular > Specimen in its stand at the Tucson Show, please let me use > It for my book and I will give you photo credit (of course). > RSVP off list, please. > Thanks, Michael > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From eric at meteoritesusa.com Fri Aug 14 20:18:28 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:18:28 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Meteorite Hunting Equipment & Meteorites Plus Web Stuff Message-ID: <4A85FED4.3060906@meteoritesusa.com> Hi list, This is a 24 hour sale. No offers will be accepted after the 24hr period. This is a ONE TIME deal. I will not offer it again. If you miss it by 1 hour then you miss it. No mulligans! Payment via Paypal immediately. First come first served! No holds. I've decided to sell my Fisher Gold Bug detector and the two coils I have with it. I have a 10" and a 14" coil. This is an original Gold Bug in good condition. Shows some wear, but it works great! I bought this detector about 18 months ago, and have used it numerous times. Those of you who know Fisher detectors know this is a good detector. $300 for the Fisher Gold Bug with 10" coil $100 firm for the 14" coil (with coil cover) or $350 for both! (plus shipping) --------------------------------------------- In addition we've listed lots of meteorites and minerals on our Ebay store and up for auction this weekend. Check them out. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/freel3orn All payments must be made within 24hrs of auction end or we will relist the item. NO EXCEPTIONS WILL BE MADE! --------------------------------------------- Need a website? As a side note, some friends of mine in the meteorite community have suggested I offer my web design services to any of you guys and gals on list who own or operate your own website, or who need a website. I'm a web designer by trade, and online marketer with 15+ years web design and internet marketing experience. I can provide you with a number of services on the cheap. I specialize in search engine optimization and niche marketing. No matter what you sell, or what services you offer online I can help you sell more of it. Contact me off list for any info. I can have your site up and running in a matter of hours, sometimes even quicker depending on your needs. Services: Web Design Web Hosting Logos & Graphics Product Photography Search Engine Optimization: Google, Bing, Yahoo, MSN Niche Marketing Brand Development Advertising Campaign Management In short, I'll help you sell more of whatever it is you sell... I'll help you get listed in the search engines and achieve higher rankings. (just look at ANY of my meteorite sites! I have more TOP 10 rankings in ALL the search engines than you can shake a stick at.) I can get you there too. --------------------------------------------- I'm serious about the websites. If you need one, I'll build you one, my rates are very reasonable, and the sites I build ROCK! Contact me offlist for info on how to get started. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA 904-236-5394 From jkg2 at cox.net Fri Aug 14 20:23:02 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:23:02 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem In-Reply-To: <3EE78AA9-5878-4341-8E5C-1D01885FA44D@alaska.net> References: <199909141541.LAA20568@emerald.lightlink.com> <3EE78AA9-5878-4341-8E5C-1D01885FA44D@alaska.net> Message-ID: <20090815002314.FFOD11920.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Thanks to Eric for saving 10 year old e-correspondence! It's pretty obvious to me that this is a prime example of how the "mix-up" of the African desert material got started. Just my opinion though. John Gwilliam At 02:35 PM 8/14/2009, Eric Twelker wrote: >FWIW >Eric Twelker > >Begin forwarded message: > >>Resent-From: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>From: "Michael Casper" >>Date: September 14, 1999 7:37:25 AM GMT-08:00 >>To: >>Subject: * SALE * KEN KEN, DAHARA, MOROCCO * SALE >>Reply-To: >> >>LIVE FROM DENVER! >> >>We just secured a load (75KG) of a new find! >> >>Ken Ken, Dahara, Morocco >>Found August 1999 >>4 different meteorites found within 10km >> >>This is a brand new find and is 4 different types. Looks like >>H 5 and L 6 or maybe BETTER! This load was foun over several >>weeks of searching by aproximately 500 folks of "the berber tribe".j >> >>Here is the deal! I will sell no less than 2.5 KG @ $.40 per gram. >>That is $1000.00 MINIMUM ORDER. I will ship overnight if payment >>is MC/VISA. >> >>Included in each shipment will be some of each of 4 different >>meteorites. >> >>Michael >> >> >>Casper Meteorites, Inc. >>P. O. Drawer J >>Ithaca, New York 14851 >>USA >>607-257-5349 (phone) >>607-266-7904 (fax) >>email: casper at meteorites.com >> >> >>---------- >>Archives located at: >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/list_best.html >> >>For help, FAQ's and sub. info. visit: >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing_list.html >>---------- > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 14 20:59:29 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Planned Rover Test to Run a Week or More Message-ID: <200908150059.n7F0xTF4021256@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=2279 Planned Rover Test to Run a Week or More Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 13, 2009 Mars rover team members are planning a long-duration experiment with the test rover at JPL beginning next week. This test will check whether favorable motion seen in earlier tests can be sustained to gain as much distance in the sandbox as Spirit would need to complete on Mars to escape its predicament. The team expects to drive the test rover for several hundred meters, or yards, worth of wheel rotations over the course of a week or more without starting over. Steering direction will be changed several times during the run. Earlier tests have run for one or two days. In between tests, the team resets the sandbox to simulate Spirit's current starting position at the Mars location called "Troy." Based on test results, the team might begin sending driving commands to Spirit during the second week of September. Any progress by Spirit toward getting out of the soft soil where it is embedded is expected to be slow. With its right front wheel disabled since 2006, Spirit's success at getting out of the sand trap is not guaranteed. Both Spirit and Opportunity have operated on Mars more than five years longer than their initially planned missions of three months. During the weeks of testing at JPL designed to identify the best escape strategy, Spirit has been productively using the tools on its robotic arm to analyze multiple layers of soil at Troy. For more updates, please visit the Free Spirit site: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/freespirit/ From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 14 21:08:35 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - August 12, 2009 Message-ID: <200908150108.n7F18Zsx023662@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES August 12, 2009 o Gullies Incised on Crater Wall http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001578_1425 o Eroded Craters and Sharp Ridges http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001376_1675 o Gratteri Crater: Flow Ejecta Plus Rocks http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001367_1620 o Interesting Crater in Meridiani Planum http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001348_1770 o An Oblique View of Victoria Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_013954_1780 o Dust Devils of Mars! http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_013545_1110 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 14 21:11:19 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: August 10-14, 2009 Message-ID: <200908150111.n7F1BJZc024767@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES August 10-14, 2009 o Kaiser Crater (Released 10 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090810a o Moreux Crater (Released 11 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090811a o Dunes in IR (Released 12 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090812a o Richardson Crater (Released 13 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090813a o Dunes in IR (Released 14 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090814a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 22:22:04 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Science comprehension: state of affiars-OT Message-ID: <217819.93641.qm@web55201.mail.re4.yahoo.com> For a pastime I occasionally help answer questions on Yahoo Ask!. Most are by lazy, late, approaching deadline, homework assistance requests --but It helps me keep a finger on the pulse of education and learning amongst today's adolescents.? Occasionally there are the "navel contemplatives" but those who are truly stumped by the real world and are looking for a legitimate answer. Here is an example destined for the annals of "most astonishing". Elton This one is too amazing to not share: Question: Why do we have north and south poles? ..i want to know... i couldnt find the answer anywhere. Actual given ANSWERS: One is satire and one is just plain hilarious. a. When they tried to have East and West poles, the weather got really screwed up, and we had an ice age, or icee age. Everybody got cold, and they voted to put the poles on the North and South after the civil war was done with them. Now we have something called greenhuose gases, so they're sending all the blondes away to the East and West poles again. You won't notice a difference except for where the sun goes up and down. Oh yeah, and the tides. And we're going to lose the moon this time for sure. But I'm just guessing. ~AND~ b. ....I think we do have North. I don't know if we have South. From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 22:48:59 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:48:59 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem Message-ID: Eric and John, Hi Eric, thanks for the information that you gave on Michael Casper's email and John you are right, I think it's great that Eric still had that information after all these years. I keep learning more and more about the Kem Kem story. I never met Michael Casper, but I've learned more about him over the past three days than I ever knew and it has sparked interest in my ebay Kem Kem auction since over 100 people have looked at the auction over the past few days.. Thanks again, Brian IMCA #6387 searchingforfun is my ebay User Id Message: 12 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:23:02 -0700 From: John Gwilliam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem To: Eric Twelker ,meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: <20090815002314.FFOD11920.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net at fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks to Eric for saving 10 year old e-correspondence! It's pretty obvious to me that this is a prime example of how the "mix-up" of the African desert material got started. Just my opinion though. John Gwilliam At 02:35 PM 8/14/2009, Eric Twelker wrote: >FWIW >Eric Twelker > >Begin forwarded message: > >>Resent-From: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>From: "Michael Casper" >>Date: September 14, 1999 7:37:25 AM GMT-08:00 >>To: >>Subject: * SALE * KEN KEN, DAHARA, MOROCCO * SALE >>Reply-To: >> >>LIVE FROM DENVER! >> >>We just secured a load (75KG) of a new find! >> >>Ken Ken, Dahara, Morocco >>Found August 1999 >>4 different meteorites found within 10km >> >>This is a brand new find and is 4 different types. Looks like >>H 5 and L 6 or maybe BETTER! This load was foun over several >>weeks of searching by aproximately 500 folks of "the berber tribe".j >> >>Here is the deal! I will sell no less than 2.5 KG @ $.40 per gram. >>That is $1000.00 MINIMUM ORDER. I will ship overnight if payment >>is MC/VISA. >> >>Included in each shipment will be some of each of 4 different >>meteorites. >> >>Michael >> >> >>Casper Meteorites, Inc. >>P. O. Drawer J >>Ithaca, New York 14851 >>USA >>607-257-5349 (phone) >>607-266-7904 (fax) >>email: casper at meteorites.com >> Jeff Grossman a ??crit??: > >> The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom >> approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January 2000. >> But to really understand the history, you need to go back a few >> years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the >> first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were >> being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus >> a series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem >> meteorites, compounded by our inability to learn many details about >> those meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. >> We decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be >> applied as a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not >> been classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided >> and sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to >> investigate multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite >> provenance in the region. Thus it was decided that all of these >> meteorites would be named NWA, even those that had been classified. >> I'm not sure what ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the >> whole thing. Since I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there >> were no synonyms to publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. >> >> jeff Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:55:00 -0500 From: "Brian Cox" Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC" name for NWAs, Northwest African meteorites To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Jeff, Thank you very much for your explanation of Kem Kem and the NomCom approving the NWA designation because of all the confusion and the situation of all the meteorites coming out of the region. Thank you for mentioning that you and NomCom decided on "A Generic Term" Northwest Africa, that could be applied as a "Tracking" label to all stones. I really appreciate your explanation. All the best! Brian IMCA # 6387 ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:18:03 -0500 From: "Brian Cox" Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC" name for NWAs, Northwest African meteorites To: Message-ID: <19BB00A135DF4DF1B932DC9B07ABF813 at user6e6e286533> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Jeff, Thanks again for your time and for bringing more light to the subject of the origination of the names, NWA and Kem Kem. You mentioned about where the Kem Kems went to and I forgot to mention that I have a piece of Kem Kem that I purchased back when Planet Brey meteorites got specimens of Kem Kem and I have it on ebay and if you want to have a look at it with the Original COA that says Kem Kem and the information on the card, here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH I added in the description that since it's technically Unclassified and probably an H5. Thanks again for your help and your wonderful and thorough explanation. Brian Cox IMCA # 6387 Searchingforfun is my ebay User ID > From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 23:13:40 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:13:40 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sale Meteorites ending on ebay this Saturday 8-15-09 Message-ID: Hello fellow Meteorite Collectors, I hope you're having a great weekend! I listed a few meteorites on ebay and there are a few ending within the next 20 hours, on Saturday afternoon. Please have a look. Kem Kem 19.7 grams one of the most talked about this week... http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably- LAKE MURRAY Meteorite 6.01g COA IMCA IIAB VERYRARE NICE RARELY AVAILABLE IIAB OCTAHEDRITE OLDEST KNOWN INTACT http://cgi.ebay.com/LAKE-MURRAY-Meteorite-6-01g-COA-IMCA-IIAB-VERYRARE- NWA 801 Meteorite CR2 Carbona Chondrite 2.30g IMCA COA http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-801-Meteorite-CR2-Carbona-Chondrite-2-30g-IMCA- LONG ISLAND Meteorite Kansas 4.6 gm COA IMCA Nice L6 http://cgi.ebay.com/LONG-ISLAND-Meteorite-Kansas-4-6-gm-COA-IMCA-Nice- Uvalde Meteorite H5 Texas 2.75 gms IMCA 1915 Nice COA http://cgi.ebay.com/Uvalde-Meteorite-H5-Texas-2-75-gms-IMCA-1915-Nice- HOPE CREEK Meteorite 9.1g COA IMCA LL6 RARE Crust ALASKA http://cgi.ebay.com/HOPE-CREEK-Meteorite-9-1g-COA-IMCA-LL6-RARE- MILES Meteorite Iron IIE Sili Australia .460g COA IMCA http://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-Meteorite-Iron-IIE-Sili-Australia-460g-COA- ZAG Meteorite H 3-6 Chondrite 5.567g IMCA COA End CRUST http://cgi.ebay.com/ZAG-Meteorite-H-3-6-Chondrite-5-567g-IMCA-COA-End- Please have a look at my ebay seller's page by clicking the link here. http://shop.ebay.com/searchingforfun/m.html?_ Happy hunting and clear skies! Have a great rest of the weekend! Brian Cox IMCA# 6387 searchingforfun is my ebay User ID From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 15 00:10:50 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:10:50 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sale auctions ending on ebay by Saturday evening 8-15-09 Corrected links that now work to each meteorite auction Message-ID: <34FCDD2E9ED3466FB1BECF51CE9064C6@user6e6e286533> Hello everyone, Sorry about this email, please don't anyone get angry because I posted a 2nd one for these same sales. I know a person or two gets uptight about ad sales emails. I got several emails that the links didn't work and I apologize. I cut them short thinking it would work and tried them and so now I corrected the links and now they work. Thanks to those that emailed me. The main link to my seller's page does work from the first email. Thanks again and sorry for any problems. Have a great night! Brian > Subject: Ad Sale auctions ending on ebay by Saturday evening 8-15-09 > These links below do work to each meteorite. > > >> Hello fellow Meteorite Collectors, >> >> I hope you're having a great weekend! >> >> I listed a few meteorites on ebay and there are a few ending within the >> next 20 hours, on Saturday afternoon. Please have a look. >> >> Kem Kem 19.7 grams one of the most talked about this week... >> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH >> >> LAKE MURRAY Meteorite 6.01g COA IMCA IIAB VERYRARE NICE RARELY AVAILABLE >> IIAB OCTAHEDRITE OLDEST KNOWN INTACT http://cgi.ebay.com/LAKE-MURRAY-Meteorite-6-01g-COA-IMCA-IIAB-VERYRARE-NICE_W0QQitemZ280383032792QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4148218dd8&_ >> >> NWA 801 Meteorite CR2 Carbona Chondrite 2.30g IMCA COA http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-801-Meteorite-CR2-Carbona-Chondrite-2-30g-IMCA-COA_W0QQitemZ270441180644QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef78cede4&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >> LONG ISLAND Meteorite Kansas 4.6 gm COA IMCA Nice L6 http://cgi.ebay.com/LONG-ISLAND-Meteorite-Kansas-4-6-gm-COA-IMCA-Nice-L6_W0QQitemZ270441730484QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef79551b4&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >> Uvalde Meteorite H5 Texas 2.75 gms IMCA 1915 Nice COA http://cgi.ebay.com/Uvalde-Meteorite-H5-Texas-2-75-gms-IMCA-1915-Nice-COA_W0QQitemZ270441754292QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef795aeb4&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 HOPE CREEK Meteorite 9.1g COA IMCA LL6 RARE Crust ALASKA http://cgi.ebay.com/HOPE-CREEK-Meteorite-9-1g-COA-IMCA-LL6-RARE-CrustALASKA_W0QQitemZ280384607387QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414839949b&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14>> MILES Meteorite Iron IIE Sili Australia .460g COA IMCAhttp://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-Meteorite-Iron-IIE-Sili-Australia-460g-COA-IMCA_W0QQitemZ280384694496QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item41483ae8e0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 ZAG Meteorite H 3-6 Chondrite 5.567g IMCA COA End CRUSThttp://cgi.ebay.com/ZAG-Meteorite-H-3-6-Chondrite-5-567g-IMCA-COA-End-CRUST_W0QQitemZ270442520498QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a15fb2&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14>> Please have a look at my ebay seller's page by clicking the link here.>>>> http://shop.ebay.com/searchingforfun/m.html?_>>>> Happy hunting and clear skies!>>>> Have a great rest of the weekend!>>>> Brian Cox>> IMCA# 6387>>>> searchingforfun is my ebay User ID>>>>> From fujmon at mac.com Sat Aug 15 02:49:30 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:49:30 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/Buzzard-Coulee-Meteorite-18-8-gm-95-FC-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ270442978522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a85cda&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_902wt_909 Are export licenses finally being issued? Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Sat Aug 15 04:38:17 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:38:17 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? Message-ID: No, read the auction. It clearly says the permit has not yet been issued. -------- Original Message -------- > From: Gary Fujihara > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:49 AM > To: MeteorList > Subject: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Buzzard-Coulee-Meteorite-18-8-gm-95-FC-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ270442978522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a85cda&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_902wt_909 > > Are export licenses finally being issued? > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk Sat Aug 15 05:36:23 2009 From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:36:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD~~Park Forest dual litholgy(REDUCED) slice, gujba, CV3, nice unclassifieds Message-ID: <19399568.126351250328983680.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> greetings listoids I have a few auctions ending tomorrow including the 9.9 gram Park Forest slice which I have reduced by 10% in order to assist it into a new home. Also 2 nice partslices of Gujba currently at about $5 a gram and a couple of eye-popping slices of NWA2424 CV3 2.5 gram cv3 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320410373876 396 gram fresh crust unclassified NWA currently at about 10 cents a gram http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320410386503 2.4 grams Gujba Bencubbinite (CBa3) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320410398116 173 gram fusion crusted cut in 2 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320410475342 9.9 gram Park forest slice---REDUCED 10%---?160 starting price is about $27 a gram http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320410892550 thanks for looking and bidding,have a great weekend JB From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 09:30:11 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:30:11 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, it's just another Canadian citizen who is unfamiliar with the law. He probably doesn't know he needs an export permit to sell outside Canada. On 8/15/09, Gary Fujihara wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Buzzard-Coulee-Meteorite-18-8-gm-95-FC-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ270442978522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a85cda&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_902wt_909 > > Are export licenses finally being issued? > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From nightsky55 at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 09:46:29 2009 From: nightsky55 at gmail.com (Bob King) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:46:29 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99c1e91a0908150646w744bc389m647cfa3a30862b31@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys, I think if you read down in the description he does mention that he can sell now only in Canada and elsewhere when the permit is given. He even offers money back if the permit doesn't go through. Bob On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > No, it's just another Canadian citizen who is unfamiliar with the law. > ?He probably doesn't know he needs an export permit to sell outside > Canada. > > > > On 8/15/09, Gary Fujihara wrote: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Buzzard-Coulee-Meteorite-18-8-gm-95-FC-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ270442978522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a85cda&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_902wt_909 >> >> Are export licenses finally being issued? >> >> Gary Fujihara >> AstroDay Institute >> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >> http://astroday.net >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From jgrossman at usgs.gov Sat Aug 15 10:21:55 2009 From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:21:55 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A86C483.30000@usgs.gov> Carl 's wrote: > > So far there are NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755 with the pseudonym of Kem Kem. Anymore? should be at least one more with a H5(?) classification (Brian Cox/PlanetBrey),but probably many more. Interesting topic. > Also NWA 1198, 2096. In addition NWA 2813, 2814, 4051 were purchased in Kem Kem. Provisional data for NWA 268-277 say they originated in Kem Kem (purchased by Dean Bessey in Denver prior to Dec 2000). These remain unclassified. Casper meteorites? jeff > Carl > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! > http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA From nightsky55 at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 10:35:02 2009 From: nightsky55 at gmail.com (Bob King) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:35:02 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? In-Reply-To: <1155688844.287631250346050718.JavaMail.root@sz0017a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <99c1e91a0908150646w744bc389m647cfa3a30862b31@mail.gmail.com> <1155688844.287631250346050718.JavaMail.root@sz0017a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <99c1e91a0908150735he094fb6g2f7fcc1e146eb8a6@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bob, Correct but it goes on and I quote: "This meteorite can be shipped immediately to anyone in Canada, but an export permit is required for the US and this will take a few months in delay. If permit is denied the full refund is given." Bob PS. I don't know who is selling it so I'm not supporting this person for any particular reason. Just so you know ;) On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:20 AM, wrote: > Bob, > > Read it again. Its says will ship to? USA and Canada. > > > > Regards, > > Bob E > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob King" > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:46:29 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? > > Hi guys, > I think if you read down in the description he does mention that he > can sell now only in Canada and elsewhere when the permit is given. He > even offers money back if the permit doesn't go through. > Bob > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Galactic Stone & > Ironworks wrote: >> No, it's just another Canadian citizen who is unfamiliar with the law. >> ?He probably doesn't know he needs an export permit to sell outside >> Canada. >> >> >> >> On 8/15/09, Gary Fujihara wrote: >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Buzzard-Coulee-Meteorite-18-8-gm-95-FC-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ270442978522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a85cda&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_902wt_909 >>> >>> Are export licenses finally being issued? >>> >>> Gary Fujihara >>> AstroDay Institute >>> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >>> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >>> http://astroday.net >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> ......................................................... >> Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) >> Member of the Meteoritical Society. >> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com >> FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale >> Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >> eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle >> .......................................................... >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From jgrossman at usgs.gov Sat Aug 15 10:45:43 2009 From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:45:43 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA In-Reply-To: <20090814160751.P4EGU.103470.imail@fed1rmwml39> References: <20090814160751.P4EGU.103470.imail@fed1rmwml39> Message-ID: <4A86CA17.50800@usgs.gov> cdtucson at cox.net wrote: > Jeff, et al, > Thank you for that Jeff. > I see from a Macovich auction back in Feb. 4, 2001 that there is another confusing series. The Sahara ***** series. Some of them show up in the bulletin and some don't. > http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/sale/AuctionMacovich-Tucson2001.pdf > Entries 8 thru 12 > Auction item number 8 does not show up with the posted designation "Sahara 85001 but it does show up as NWA 1242 in the bulletin. However it does not reference the thing back to originally being Sahara 85001 as seen in Auction. > As far as I am aware, nobody has ever asked this before. It was my understanding that the Labennes found all of their Sahara meteorites, whereas NWA 1242 has a specific story. Are we sure these are the same? > Another of the missing Saharans is Sahara 97119. as seen as item number 10 in the same auction. What ever happened with this one? > Many Labenne meteorite have never been classified. They numbered them in their own way, without NomCom involvement, so we have never even been able to list provisional names for these. > This same auction does list only one NWA meteorite NWA 108 and no listings of any Kem-Kem. > This leads me to another question. Why do we even care where these things fell? Unless they made a crater or are being mapped for some odd reason or did something else that is extraordinary. What difference does it make where they landed anyway??? On that note it seems an awful lot of importance is placed on coordinates. Is there really anything left to be learned by where they land? I mean we know they land where they land. Okay. > Another reason I ask this is because we are basically forced to give up our new found treasure spot for what seems to be a very insignificant reason. > What you are basically saying here is that science will never care about the coordinates. But you can't know that. Important questions involving pairings do arise and are often resolved with geographic information. In addition, you never know which meteorites will turn out to be important. If collectors treat the coordinates as their personal property and take them to their graves, science stands to permanently lose the opportunity to obtain additional research material. I have no problem with collectors withholding their information until they have had adequate opportunity to conclude a search. But I consider it irresponsible to hide the information for many years or decades or longer. As I've said many times, there is a delicate, mutually beneficial relationship between science and commercialism in meteorites. If people treat meteorites as solely commercial products, the relationship breaks down and there will be negative consequences to all. jeff > This same question was posed recently. "Would you give up the location of a cache of gold that you found"? Of course not. So, why would you tell where your meteorite worth more than gold fell? That would be silly wouldn't it? Yet, I read the other day that science needs to do some very early testing on recent falls. My thought is okay do the testing and I will tell you where it fell later. Maybe Much later. > As you can see here I believe there is more harm in telling where these fall than by not telling. Telling creates a lot of negative stuff on this list. > Look no farther than Admire, AZ's most recent and West etc. No good came of this knowledge. In fact these falls/ finds have caused irreparable damage to this industry if not just it's hunters. What do you say. lets get rid of this useless requirement or at least make it merely a voluntary addition.? > Thanks > Just my 2 cents . > Carl > > > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > > ---- Jeff Grossman wrote: > >> The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom >> approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January >> 2000. But to really understand the history, you need to go back a >> few years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the >> first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were >> being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus a >> series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem meteorites, >> compounded by our inability to learn many details about those >> meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. We >> decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be applied as >> a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not been >> classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided and >> sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to investigate >> multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite provenance in the >> region. Thus it was decided that all of these meteorites would be >> named NWA, even those that had been classified. I'm not sure what >> ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the whole thing. Since >> I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there were no synonyms to >> publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. >> >> jeff >> >> >> Jeff >> >> At 01:02 AM 8/10/2009, Jason Utas wrote: >> >>> Dirk, Brian, All, >>> This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, Casper >>> sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name around >>> that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number of >>> similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the >>> mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, where >>> not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition). And >>> while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, this, >>> I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain. I >>> never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some >>> consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed. >>> Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's >>> NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper. I might only >>> call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that applies >>> to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites. Single name, >>> unknown number of meteorites. I don't know if it quite fits the >>> definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far off. >>> Regards, >>> Jason >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Brian and List, >>>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >>>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a >>>> >>> new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. >>> Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s >>> catalogue lists: >>> >>>> 22.4g @ $44.80; >>>> 26.9g@ $53.80 >>>> 31.5g@ $63.00 >>>> 33.5g@ $67.00 >>>> 41.0g@ $82.00 >>>> 46.8g@ $93.60 >>>> 53.2g@ $106.40 >>>> 58.6g@ $117.20 >>>> 67.4g@ $134.80 >>>> 70.0g@ $140.00 >>>> 83.1g@ $166.20 >>>> 114.9g@ $229.80 >>>> 153.6g@ $307.20 >>>> >>>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece >>>> >>> photographed, which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term >>> for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. >>> >>>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by >>>> >>> INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >>> >>>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks >>>> >>> and at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the >>> planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by >>> the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. >>> >>>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was >>>> >>> Dean Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); >>> prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? >>> >>>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a >>>> >>> mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the >>> day. Also missed the Great Habibi! >>> >>>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine >>>> >>> beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >>> >>>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be >>>> >>> blue...Idir met Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be >>> at Kem-Kem at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. >>> >>>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >>>> >>> searchingforfun. >>> >>>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: Brian Cox >>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name >>>>> >>> before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>> >>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>>>> >>>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>>>> just now in this auction. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>>>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> IMCA # 6387 >>>>> >>>>> searchingforfun is my >>>>> ebay User ID >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 >> US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 >> 954 National Center >> Reston, VA 20192, USA >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA From jgrossman at usgs.gov Sat Aug 15 10:46:10 2009 From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:46:10 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A86CA32.8070003@usgs.gov> Carl 's wrote: > > So far there are NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755 with the pseudonym of Kem Kem. Anymore? should be at least one more with a H5(?) classification (Brian Cox/PlanetBrey),but probably many more. Interesting topic. > Also NWA 1198, 2096. In addition NWA 2813, 2814, 4051 were purchased in Kem Kem. Provisional data for NWA 268-277 say they originated in Kem Kem (purchased by Dean Bessey in Denver prior to Dec 2000). These remain unclassified. Casper meteorites? jeff > Carl > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! > http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 11:25:50 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:25:50 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem - So it's basically a catchall and could be anything? Message-ID: Hi List, For those of us quietly following the Kem Kem hootnanny from the peanut gallery, I'd like to ask if the summary below is correct (essentially) - A specimen sold as "Kem Kem" could be just about anything from a H chondrite to a R chondrite? So as far as official nomenclature is concerned, Kem Kem is strictly a geographic place (where meteorites are found/bought) and not a reference to particular find, fall, or petrologic type? Are there any other synonyms or catch-all names like this in use? I heard that El Hammami had once been used in this manner, to a lesser degree. Is this true? Best regards and clear skies, MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 14:26:42 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:26:42 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] SALE - 25% off everything in the store - meteorites, trinitite, minerals, supplies! Message-ID: Hi Listees! This is just a quick reminder that List members get 25% OFF everything in my store - this is an open discount that never expires - just use coupon code "metlist" at checkout to get the discount. This is good for everything in the store - nothing is excluded. Some recent additions include - premium UNWA stones, fossils, LDG, tibetan quartz crystals (double-terminated), black tourmaline, and more. :) I also offer gemjars, Riker boxes, digital scales, 1cm magnet cubes, jeweler's loupes, and glass vials. http://www.galactic-stone.com Thanks for looking and clear skies! MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From fujmon at mac.com Sat Aug 15 14:37:53 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:37:53 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay auctions ending in 2 hours Message-ID: Aloha, I have an auction ending TODAY in 2 hours of some oriented NWA 869, Bassikounou, Campo del Cielo, Norton County, uNWA pallasite, and Oum Dreyga, and other items that may be of interest to you. Some items are still at 99? * Cherry NWA 869 23.18g complete individual (currently at $19.49 - 81?/g) * Oriented NWA 869 85.83g complete individual (currently at $99 - $1.15/g) * Bassikounou 106g Fresh complete individual (currently at $181.52 - $1.71/g) * Etched Campo del Cielo 192g slice (currently at $31 - 16?/g) * Norton County 0.6g Primo crusted fragments (currently at $10.42 - $17.37/g) * uNWA Pallasite 1.77g Olivine encrusted fragment (currently at 99? - 56?/g) * Oum Dreyga 18g 99% FC Almost perfect individual (currently at $24.50 - $1.36/g) See all the items up for auction here: http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Next week preview: Bassi, Chergach, uNWA pallasite, oriented NWA 869, Campo, and more! Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 16:41:45 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:41:45 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted - Cheap NWA howardite (not unclassified) Message-ID: Hi List! I need some low-cost howardite - cutting crumbs from NWA specimens would be perfect. The pieces can be small, but not dust. I need a couple of grams, possibly more, depending on the price. Contact me off-list if interested. Thanks and clear skies! MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Sat Aug 15 17:48:59 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:48:59 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Russ Finney Message-ID: Please contact me again off list. *sigh* -mt From meteoritekid at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 17:59:37 2009 From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:59:37 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay Listings Ending Tomorrow - AD Message-ID: <93aaac890908151459r58b188bcjcec534bfe947b77@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, I've a few ebay auctions ending tomorrow evening (pacific time - they end about a day from now) - a lowish number NWA main mass, and a slice of a pretty LL5, both at a few dollars, with no reserve. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/the_meteorite_hunter_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ Thanks, Jason From deanbessey at yahoo.com Sat Aug 15 18:48:52 2009 From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] The Scoop on "Kem Kem" In-Reply-To: <4A86CA32.8070003@usgs.gov> Message-ID: <659369.71999.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I just got back from australia and am sorting through thousands and thousands of emails so my apologies if this has already been answered. There is no recogonized meteorite term as "Kem Kem". The term "Kem Kem" dates from the days just before the official creation of the term "NWA" roughly 9 or 10 years ago. Hundreds of kilos of meteorites were being sold at random in Morocco and everybody (Including the met society) was trying to best figure out how to catalog and deal with the situation of mixed meteorites from many different falls thrown in together and sold in bulk (Not that big a deal nowadays but A novel new thing 10 years ago). Meteorite dealer Michael casper - now I believe (at least semi) retired, got his hands on a large quantity (If I remember correctly 300 kilos but my memory might be a little off after 10 years) and he sold them in bulk using the name "KEM KEM" and saying that they were found in the Kem Kem desert. They were very cheap for meteorites - I believe 30 or 40 cents a gram which was I think the first time that any meteorite was ever publicly advertised under $1 a gram. At the time everybody probably believed the Moroccans story that they were found in the Kem Kem desert but of course nowadays we all take location data with a grain of salt at best. I was among Caspers buyers and on seeing them it was obvious that it was a very mixed group of meteorites and from a very wide variety of falls. Soon afterwards the name "NWA" was officially put in place and anything classified from Caspers "Kem Kem" hoard (Including NWA001) was given a NWA name. If you see anything labelled Kem Kem it will almost surely be from caspers one time 300 Kilo hoard that just pre dated NWA. Nobody else has ever used that name as the introduction of NWA shortly afterwards cancelled peoples need to try and make up names to describe their meteorites. Almost certainly the location data of caspers 300 kilo hoard is just as iffy as location data that you get nowadays so wither they were actually found in Kem kem or not is really a moot point as nobody really cares about such details nowadays. But your Kem Kem stones can be traced to a particular buy from the early days and has that little extra bit of history to them. They were a particularly nice group of meteorites also and better than any 300 kilo mixed hoard that you are likely to find offered in morocco nowadays. Sincerely DEAN From leighannedelray at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 02:36:27 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:36:27 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Krinov Book Ending in Less that 24 Hours! Message-ID: <5e97e2850908152336g48784dbcp363636edb0171371@mail.gmail.com> Get it while the getting is good. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250478936618 Thanks everyone. Leigh Anne From tett at rogers.com Sun Aug 16 06:49:14 2009 From: tett at rogers.com (tett) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 06:49:14 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] [Bulk] Re: First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? In-Reply-To: <99c1e91a0908150646w744bc389m647cfa3a30862b31@mail.gmail.com> References: <99c1e91a0908150646w744bc389m647cfa3a30862b31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A87E42A.8040502@rogers.com> Correct Bob. Only problem is he thinks it could take 8 weeks. NO WAY. It will take about 6 months and it is one hell of a lot of work. Cheers! Mike Tettenborn Bob King wrote: > Hi guys, > I think if you read down in the description he does mention that he > can sell now only in Canada and elsewhere when the permit is given. He > even offers money back if the permit doesn't go through. > Bob > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Galactic Stone & > Ironworks wrote: > >> No, it's just another Canadian citizen who is unfamiliar with the law. >> He probably doesn't know he needs an export permit to sell outside >> Canada. >> >> >> >> On 8/15/09, Gary Fujihara wrote: >> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Buzzard-Coulee-Meteorite-18-8-gm-95-FC-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ270442978522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a85cda&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_902wt_909 >>> >>> Are export licenses finally being issued? >>> >>> Gary Fujihara >>> AstroDay Institute >>> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >>> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >>> http://astroday.net >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >> -- >> ......................................................... >> Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) >> Member of the Meteoritical Society. >> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com >> FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale >> Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >> eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle >> .......................................................... >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From gsac at gmx.net Sun Aug 16 07:54:42 2009 From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:54:42 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] The Scoop on "Kem Kem" In-Reply-To: <659369.71999.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <659369.71999.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090816115442.141270@gmx.net> The "Lahmada" stones, found in Western Sahara in 1998 and 1999, were some of the last ones to get official Non-NWA names from the NomCom, before there was an agreement on the new Northwest Africa (NWA) designation. In fact, Lahmada 002 - 018 are still valid official names, while Lahmada 022 - 032 were synonyms for NWA 035 - 045 respectively. At least the first Lahmada stones also had distinct geographical find coordinates submitted to the NomCom. Some of the stones were later considered to be probably paired. PS: on a more personal side, I hold the main mass of Lahmada 007, a pretty fresh stone of 603.7 g (from a TKW of 620.6 g), which is fun to know it is one of the few last ones to get a Non-NWA name before the big NWA-rush began. This makes it a bit special for me, though it is nothing but a common H5 meteorite by class. :-) Alex Berlin/Germany -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:48:52 -0700 (PDT) > Von: dean bessey > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The Scoop on "Kem Kem" > I just got back from australia and am sorting through thousands and > thousands of emails so my apologies if this has already been answered. > There is no recogonized meteorite term as "Kem Kem". > The term "Kem Kem" dates from the days just before the official creation > of the term "NWA" roughly 9 or 10 years ago. > Hundreds of kilos of meteorites were being sold at random in Morocco and > everybody (Including the met society) was trying to best figure out how to > catalog and deal with the situation of mixed meteorites from many different > falls thrown in together and sold in bulk (Not that big a deal nowadays but > A novel new thing 10 years ago). > Meteorite dealer Michael casper - now I believe (at least semi) retired, > got his hands on a large quantity (If I remember correctly 300 kilos but my > memory might be a little off after 10 years) and he sold them in bulk using > the name "KEM KEM" and saying that they were found in the Kem Kem desert. > They were very cheap for meteorites - I believe 30 or 40 cents a gram which > was I think the first time that any meteorite was ever publicly advertised > under $1 a gram. At the time everybody probably believed the Moroccans > story that they were found in the Kem Kem desert but of course nowadays we all > take location data with a grain of salt at best. > I was among Caspers buyers and on seeing them it was obvious that it was a > very mixed group of meteorites and from a very wide variety of falls. > Soon afterwards the name "NWA" was officially put in place and anything > classified from Caspers "Kem Kem" hoard (Including NWA001) was given a NWA > name. > If you see anything labelled Kem Kem it will almost surely be from caspers > one time 300 Kilo hoard that just pre dated NWA. Nobody else has ever used > that name as the introduction of NWA shortly afterwards cancelled peoples > need to try and make up names to describe their meteorites. > Almost certainly the location data of caspers 300 kilo hoard is just as > iffy as location data that you get nowadays so wither they were actually > found in Kem kem or not is really a moot point as nobody really cares about > such details nowadays. But your Kem Kem stones can be traced to a particular > buy from the early days and has that little extra bit of history to them. > They were a particularly nice group of meteorites also and better than any > 300 kilo mixed hoard that you are likely to find offered in morocco nowadays. > Sincerely > DEAN > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 09:21:28 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 06:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <804771.25150.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> test ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 11:16:38 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:16:38 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Pook's Pebbles? Message-ID: Hi Folks! Does anyone know where to acquire some Pook's Pebbles? I looked around via the web and I couldn't find diddly-squat. Any ideas? Thanks and clear skies! MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com Sun Aug 16 13:44:33 2009 From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:44:33 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Nadiabondi and others Message-ID: <26288EE0D23F40C6A2F79C9C7F4260E5@DHHP5HJ1> Hello all A few gems ending today on the Bay including an uncommon Nadiabondi individual. http://shop.ebay.com/nakhladog/m.html Have an excellent Sunday, Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog ------------------ We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sun Aug 16 14:03:01 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:03:01 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 16, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_16_2009.html __________________________ From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 14:29:26 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:29:26 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 16, 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can never see enough photos of Dave's collection. Tell those other guys to duck down and stop blocking the meteorites from view. LOL ;) (just kidding guys!) (not kidding about Dave's collection though - WOW) On 8/16/09, SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com wrote: > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_16_2009.html > > > > > > __________________________ > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 14:42:23 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:42:23 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Article now posted Message-ID: Hi Listees! I have reposted an old article that I wrote about collecting meteorites. It's written with newbies in mind and it addresses some of the fundamental aspects of meteorites - their origin, their composition, the major types, and how to care for them. It tries to answer the basic questions we hear all of the time - "How do we know it's a meteorite?" "How do we know it's really from the Moon or Mars?" "Where does one buy meteorites?" "How do I store or display my meteorite?" I am open to any suggestions or corrections to be included in future edits of this article. You can read the article here - http://www.galactic-stone.com/pages/meteorites There original article has some photos in it as well, and I am working on getting those uploaded tonight. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From majbaermann at web.de Sun Aug 16 14:14:17 2009 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:14:17 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 16, 2009 References: Message-ID: Very nice, guys, one can feel the atmosphere. And, Dave, your "Falling r o c k s": you mean it, as I see. Literally. How impressive. Best regards, Matthias B. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 16,2009 > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_16_2009.html > > > > > > __________________________ > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 18:18:09 2009 From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <475588.15110.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Nothing unusual about this. My first ever meteorite was a 25mg piece of Dhofar 1084. Tasting it was one of the first things I did. I don't recal ever having tasted a martian though it is a distinct possibility and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the experience. I can tell you that eucrite tastes like those cinder blocks that they use for making homes, the really big grey ones....with a little sprinkling of iron filings on top. You may be wondering how I know what cinder blocks or iron filings taste like but I also believe you're intelligent enough to also have guessed the answer. It's a wonder I'm still alive. Rob --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > From: Leigh Anne DelRay > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! > To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" , Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:32 PM > Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars > Rocks!!!!! > > The latest trend: > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg > > Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! > > > Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon > Rock > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg > > And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. > > > Just a little something to be silly, > Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, > JoshuaTreeMuseum > wrote: > > http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php > > > > I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. ?Just > this morning I had a > > bowl ?of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate > the way the plagioclase > > feldspar sticks between your teeth! > > > > Phil Whitmer > > > > Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy > > In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise > has been, well ... > > By Jay MacDonald > > > > Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a > chunk of space debris at > > the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life > forever. > > > > > > > > He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in > his hands -- he has > > tasted them. > > > > "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock > that I have purchased > > or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are > all made of space > > rock." > > > > Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael > Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, > > one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- > on this planet > > anyway. > > > > Building a rock-solid empire > > Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the > University of Arizona > > on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and > vaguely drifting toward a > > career with the CIA when he happened to wander into > the largest gem and > > mineral show on earth. > > > > "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so > fascinated with it that it > > changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When > I saw it, I thought, > > 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" > > > > Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site > until he met an old-timer > > who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. > His asking price: > > $4,000 for the box. > > > > "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and > borrow to buy the box," > > Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the > meteorites, I found that > > that they were from a very rare collection, and I > quadrupled my money on > > those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized > you could actually > > make money doing this." > > > > Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the > first of dozens of trips > > to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. > > > > Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 19:02:45 2009 From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] fake/bogus ebay auctions In-Reply-To: <26288EE0D23F40C6A2F79C9C7F4260E5@DHHP5HJ1> References: <26288EE0D23F40C6A2F79C9C7F4260E5@DHHP5HJ1> Message-ID: <521374.10231.qm@web43403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> hello listees, A heads up to everyone, you can see and or list any ebay auctions that are suspect and are selling bogus stones and trying to pass them off as meteorites or listing them as something other than what they are. If you see a seller listing a meteorite for something other than what it really is or a fake, it would be helpful to newbies and everyone for you to post a link to that auction here: http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?board=ebay Thanks, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrock.com From leighannedelray at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 20:26:48 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:26:48 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: 30 minutes remaining for SIGNED Krinov Book Message-ID: <5e97e2850908161726q1d836c7fh1576620c3177a181@mail.gmail.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250478936618 Thanks everyone. Leigh Anne From jnbran at verizon.net Sun Aug 16 21:03:12 2009 From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:03:12 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Update Collection Sale Message-ID: <008501ca1ed6$7ef2b3b0$4001a8c0@yourlk4rlmsu41> Hello List, I wanted to update my sale, and I will take offers on everything that is left and I also have some updated photo's. Take Care and Thanks, Jason Updated List: Richfield, Kansas Classification: LL3.7 Weight: 104 grams Awesome looking full slice with great interior clasts. Price: $400 NWA 2924, Morocco Classification: Mesosiderite Weight: 33 grams Cool looking piece with blobs of metal. Price: $125 NWA 1930, Morocco Classification: LL3 Weight: 32 grams Sells for $10/gram normally. Price: $65 NWA unclassified slice, Morocco Weight: 247.7 grams Very large slice with great interior features. Price: $125 NWA 1936, Morocco Classification: H4 Weight: 85.5 grams The nicest H4 I have ever seen with great multi-colored chondrules Price: $300 Chinga, Russia Classification: Ataxite Weight: 349 grams A complete slice polished to a mirror, just wonderful. Price: $425 NWA 267, Morocco Classification: H3 Weight: 636 grams This is from Dean Bessey first large meteorite offering. Price: $225 Al Haggounia 001, Morocco Classification: EL3 (aubrite?) Weight: 9090 grams, excellent endcut showing dual interior features (blue and brown) Purchased directly from finder who submitted classification. Price: $1200 NWA 1929, Morocco Classification: Howardite Weight: 118 gram endcut (true main mass) Price: $750 Dhofar 1289 Classification: L4 with multi-colored chondrites Weight: 472 grams Price: $200 El Hammami Mountains, Africa (Witnessed fall) Classification: H5 Weight: 1676 grams Shows some evidence of camel sweat from being carried out of the desert. Price: $1200 Nuevo Mercurio, Mexico (Witnessed fall 1978) Classification: H4 Weight: 131 grams, beautiful complete stone Price: $1000 Davy A, Texas Classification: L4 Weight: 183.5 grams Find: 1940 Price: $350 Wanapite impact breccia Beautiful large slice and it's sister slice in at ASU meteorite lab. Weight: 1145 grams Price: $250 Sudbury black onaping breccia Complete slice that is 15 inches long and extremely beautiful. Weight: 1018 grams Price: $250 Azura Impactite Weight: 444 grams Price: $50 Unclassified chondrites- ~19kg's total Weights: Up to 10.5 kgs All of these were cherry picked over the years of shipments from Morocco, many with flow lines and thumb printing and dark crust. Price: $0.10-0.25/gram From jnbran at verizon.net Sun Aug 16 20:55:58 2009 From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:55:58 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Collection sale update References: <26288EE0D23F40C6A2F79C9C7F4260E5@DHHP5HJ1> <521374.10231.qm@web43403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007b01ca1ed5$7c3536d0$4001a8c0@yourlk4rlmsu41> Hello List, I wanted to update my sale, and I will take offers on everything that is left. Take Care and Thanks, Jason Updated List: Richfield, Kansas Classification: LL3.7 Weight: 104 grams Awesome looking full slice with great interior clasts. Price: $400 NWA 2924, Morocco Classification: Mesosiderite Weight: 33 grams Cool looking piece with blobs of metal. Price: $125 NWA 1930, Morocco Classification: LL3 Weight: 32 grams Sells for $10/gram normally. Price: $65 NWA unclassified slice, Morocco Weight: 247.7 grams Very large slice with great interior features. Price: $125 NWA 1936, Morocco Classification: H4 Weight: 85.5 grams The nicest H4 I have ever seen with great multi-colored chondrules Price: $300 Chinga, Russia Classification: Ataxite Weight: 349 grams A complete slice polished to a mirror, just wonderful. Price: $425 NWA 267, Morocco Classification: H3 Weight: 636 grams This is from Dean Bessey first large meteorite offering. Price: $225 Al Haggounia 001, Morocco Classification: EL3 (aubrite?) Weight: 9090 grams, excellent endcut showing dual interior features (blue and brown) Purchased directly from finder who submitted classification. Price: $1200 NWA 1929, Morocco Classification: Howardite Weight: 118 gram endcut (true main mass) Price: $750 Dhofar 1289 Classification: L4 with multi-colored chondrites Weight: 472 grams Price: $200 El Hammami Mountains, Africa (Witnessed fall) Classification: H5 Weight: 1676 grams Shows some evidence of camel sweat from being carried out of the desert. Price: $1200 Nuevo Mercurio, Mexico (Witnessed fall 1978) Classification: H4 Weight: 131 grams, beautiful complete stone Price: $1000 Davy A, Texas Classification: L4 Weight: 183.5 grams Find: 1940 Price: $350 Wanapite impact breccia Beautiful large slice and it's sister slice in at ASU meteorite lab. Weight: 1145 grams Price: $250 Sudbury black onaping breccia Complete slice that is 15 inches long and extremely beautiful. Weight: 1018 grams Price: $250 Azura Impactite Weight: 444 grams Price: $50 Unclassified chondrites- ~19kg's total Weights: Up to 10.5 kgs All of these were cherry picked over the years of shipments from Morocco, many with flow lines and thumb printing and dark crust. Price: $0.10-0.25/gram From mqfowler at mac.com Sun Aug 16 21:44:34 2009 From: mqfowler at mac.com (Michael Fowler) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:44:34 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Found On Mars Yields Clues About Planet's Past Message-ID: > August 10, 2009 > > Dwayne Brown > Headquarters, Washington > 202-358-1726 > dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov > > Guy Webster > Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. > 818-354-6278 > gay.y.hill at jpl.nasa.gov > > RELEASE: 09-186 > > METEORITE FOUND ON MARS YIELDS CLUES ABOUT PLANET'S PAST > > PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Rover Opportunity is investigating a > metallic meteorite the size of a large watermelon that is providing > researchers more details about the Red Planet's environmental > history. > > The rock, dubbed "Block Island," is larger than any other known > meteorite on Mars. Scientists calculate it is too massive to have hit > the ground without disintegrating unless Mars had a much thicker > atmosphere than it has now when the rock fell. ........... A little slow to respond to this, but it's been bothering me for some time. How can they say with such certainty that it could not survive intact? And from there to jump to the conclusion that the only possible explanation is that it must have fallen when Mars had a much denser atmosphere. I disagree. It could have fallen on a glacier, or maybe a sand dune, or maybe at an oblique angle on the side of a major hill, or ravine that has worn away in the millions, or billions of years since it fell. Here's one for you. What about the Hoba meteorite? My guess is that the very same models that prove that the Block Island Mars meteorite couldn't have landed intact in Mars's atmosphere would also predict that the Hoba meteorite couldn't land intact on Earth. Any comments? Sterling, what do you say? Mike Fowler Chicago From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sun Aug 16 23:31:39 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:31:39 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] RSPOD - August 16, 2009 (updated) Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_16_2009.html __________________________ From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov Sun Aug 16 23:47:53 2009 From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D (3225)) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:47:53 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <475588.15110.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The gent who wrote the Red Mars trilogy, Kim Stanley Robinson, wrote a short appendix to one of the books in the series. The details are a little sketchy to me now (been a while since I read them), but if I recall correctly the appendix was titled, ?The First Recorded Instance of Aerophagy? and was about him sitting on his rooftop looking at Mars while he ate a small piece of a martian meteorite. I recall being stunned at the time, but I wouldn't even blink at such a thing today. Cheers, MDF On 8/16/09 3:18 PM, "Rob McCafferty" wrote: > Nothing unusual about this. > My first ever meteorite was a 25mg piece of Dhofar 1084. Tasting it was one of > the first things I did. > > I don't recal ever having tasted a martian though it is a distinct possibility > and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the experience. > > I can tell you that eucrite tastes like those cinder blocks that they use for > making homes, the really big grey ones....with a little sprinkling of iron > filings on top. > > You may be wondering how I know what cinder blocks or iron filings taste like > but I also believe you're intelligent enough to also have guessed the answer. > > It's a wonder I'm still alive. > > Rob > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > >> From: Leigh Anne DelRay >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! >> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" , >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:32 PM >> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars >> Rocks!!!!! >> >> The latest trend: >> >> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg >> >> Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! >> >> >> Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon >> Rock >> >> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg >> >> And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. >> >> >> Just a little something to be silly, >> Leigh Anne >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, >> JoshuaTreeMuseum >> wrote: >>> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker- >>> 1278.php >>> >>> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. ?Just >> this morning I had a >>> bowl ?of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate >> the way the plagioclase >>> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >>> >>> Phil Whitmer >>> >>> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >>> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise >> has been, well ... >>> By Jay MacDonald >>> >>> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a >> chunk of space debris at >>> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life >> forever. >>> >>> >>> >>> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in >> his hands -- he has >>> tasted them. >>> >>> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock >> that I have purchased >>> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are >> all made of space >>> rock." >>> >>> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael >> Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, >>> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- >> on this planet >>> anyway. >>> >>> Building a rock-solid empire >>> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the >> University of Arizona >>> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and >> vaguely drifting toward a >>> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into >> the largest gem and >>> mineral show on earth. >>> >>> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so >> fascinated with it that it >>> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When >> I saw it, I thought, >>> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >>> >>> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site >> until he met an old-timer >>> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. >> His asking price: >>> $4,000 for the box. >>> >>> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and >> borrow to buy the box," >>> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the >> meteorites, I found that >>> that they were from a very rare collection, and I >> quadrupled my money on >>> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized >> you could actually >>> make money doing this." >>> >>> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the >> first of dozens of trips >>> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >>> >>> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From cynapse at charter.net Mon Aug 17 01:59:24 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:59:24 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: References: <475588.15110.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <80sh855qdm1mc3mearo6fdtf3iddsjuf3q@4ax.com> On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:47:53 -0700, you wrote: >The gent who wrote the Red Mars trilogy, Kim Stanley Robinson, wrote a short >appendix to one of the books in the series. The details are a little >sketchy to me now (been a while since I read them), but if I recall I did a scan of text-file versions of the 3 books of the Mars trilogy and this does not appear there. But it is a poem in the collection The Martians: http://www.amazon.com/Martians-Kim-Stanley-Robinson/dp/0553574019 A Report on the First Recorded Case of Areophagy for Terry Bisson On my forty-third birthday I was nearly done With Mars the drafts were in a shambles Beauty in a novel (as in everything) is An emergent property emerging Late in the process and before that all Is chaos and disorder but my hopes Were high I felt that it was coming Together I wanted the final push to be The convergence of everything I wanted Unreasonable things I had in my possession Some bits of Mars a gram or two of the SNC Meteorite that fell on Zagami Nigeria In October of 1962 after thirteen million years In space little grey chunks of rock Mounted in a necklace given to my wife I unscrewed the casing took out a chunk Climbed onto my roof at sunset A clear day crows flying back From the fields the coastal range dark To the west gilt clouds above it The vault still blue the wind fresh From the delta and there I was On the roofbeam of my house in the middle of My life in the open air about to eat a rock That if not fraudulent a piece of Jersey Was an actual chunk of the next planet out It felt odd even in the performance I have never been able to explain Myself but can only note that in the Attempt to imagine Mars I came to see Earth more clearly than ever before This beautiful world now alive With the drama of an everyday sunset Black birds sailing east in lines Under my feet my home the sun Touching the coastal range I put the rock in My mouth all went on as before No electric shiver that the sunset itself did not Provide no speaking in tongues I bit down It was too hard to break in my mouth Tongued it side to side tasted no taste Ran it over my teeth a little rock Most of it would pass through me But the stomach's fierce acids would Surely tear at the surface of the rock And some few atoms I hoped would stick As carbon incorporated into my bones For their seven-year cycle or For good perhaps and so I sat Digesting Mars and the view the sun Ablink through the Berryessa gap The wind rising each life has its trajectory Up and down in the shimmer of ordinary moments Sudden euphoria stab of grief the pattern dustdevil Funnelling down spiralling up in most Exquisite sensitive dependence On unknown factors that dusk nothing of the sort Happened it was a matter of will a Meditative discipline exerted day after Day for years to make a world Transparent in me and my mind at home And as I swallowed parts of another world This one wheeled about me like a veritable California The Reds' Lament They never got it right not any of them not ever never on Earth by definition nor hardly ever on Mars itself the way it was back in the beginning the way it was before we changed it The way the sky went red at dawn the way it felt to wake under the sun light in the self rock under boot .38 g even in our dreams and in our hopes for our children The way the way always came clear even in the worst of the gimcrack chaos Ariadne's thread appearing or not in the peripheral moment lost lost then found and walking on a sidewalk through the shattered land The way so much of it had to be inferred through the suits we walked in cut off from the touch of the world we watched like pilgrims in love from afar alight with fire in the body itself felt as a world the mind apulse in a living wire of thought tungsten in darkness the person as planet the surface of Mars the inside of our souls aware each to each and all to all The way we knew the way had changed and never again would remain the same long enough for us to understand it The way the place was just there the way you were just thinking stone there The way everything we thought we knew in the sky fell away and left us standing in the visible world patterned by wind to a horizon you could almost touch a little prince on a little world looking for The way the stars shone at noon on the flanks of the big volcanoes poking through the sky itself out into space we walked in space and on the sand at once and knew we knew we were not at home the way We always knew we were not at home we are visitors on this planet the Dalai Lama said on Earth we are here a century at most and during that time we must try to do something good something useful The way the Buddha did with our lives the way on Mars we always knew this always saw it in the bare face of the land under us the spur and gully shapes of our lives all bare of ornamentation red rock red dust the bare mineral here of now and we the animals standing in it Two Years We were brothers in those days you and I Mom off to work ten hours a day No child care no friends no family So off we went on our merry way To a nearby park walled by city streets Where Jamaican nannies watched us play One. eye on their charges all stunned by the heat Kids here and there mom following daughter Me following you so cautious and neat Hands gripped as you rose on the teeter-totter Intent as you stepped on the bouncy bridge Then tossed your head back burbling laughter When you reached solid ground and stood on the edge Looking back at the span you had crossed without falling Plop on the grass to eat our first lunch You tease as we eat your laughter upwelling Pretend to refuse your apple juice Knock it aside and laugh at its spilling And laugh again at the flight of a bluejay Off to used bookstores' dim musty aisles Retrieving the books you have pulled out and used To toss on the ground and collect people's smiles Until I stop you and you throw a fit And so into the backpack off hiking for miles Your forehead snug on the back of my neck Home then to microwave Mom's frozen milk So that when you wake ravenous for it I'll have tested the temperature with a lick And can lay you out in my elbow's nook And watch you suck to the last squick squick And then you nap again I write my book And for an hour I am on Mars Or sitting at my desk lost in thought as I look Down at the perpetual parade of cars Your cry wakes us both from this dream And we're back at it the movement of the stars No more regular than our routine Untellable tedium not just the diapers The spooning of food the screams But also the weekly pass of the street sweeper The hours together playing with blocks I set them up you knock them down nothing neater And all the time you learning to talk Glossolalia peppered with names Simple statements firm orders Let go walk Telling me to do things a game That made you laugh also knowing When things were in different ways the same Blue truck blue sky your face glowing With delight as your language grew Till description became a kind of telling Power I spit out the sun I sky the blue Sitting in that living room together Each in his own world surprised by new Things spaced out lost to each other Used to each other like Siamese twins Confined to the house by steamy weather _Me watching volleyball on ESPN Listening to Beethoven reading the Post You moving your trucks around babbling when You felt like it absorbed focused lost In your own space so fully that watching you I forgot my many selves collapsed to one and was most Happy the past is gone David I asked beloved of God do you remember Bethesda The way my mother would have Asked me Do you remember Zion And David looked at me curiously and said No Dad not really I know how the house looked but all That comes from pictures in Mom's albums you know Yes my first memory is not of Zion but California the Christmas I was three a brown Trike put together by my dad next to the tree but My dad tells me he bought the trike assembled How can we say what did or did not Happen David watching you I tremble You know the world are sophisticated You say you do not remember That time and now you know so much of hate Of anguish of death Will you ever again be so elated By the sight of swans swimming under the wharf Shrieking with laughter as they dive for tossed bread I hope we are these moments deeper than self Deeper than memory always connected Inside each other hoping I his helps hope stave off dread Brother of mine boy receding I will try to remember for us The lie time when you could be so purely happy I Say Goodbye to Mars Hiking alone in the Sierra Nevada I stopped one evening in Dragon Basin Above treeline by a small stream Trickling down a flaw in the granite On the floor of this crack were Lush little lawns green moss Furring the banks krummholz bonsai Clustering over low black falls Transparent water glossed on top Standing there I looked Over the fellfield basin a cupped Hand of stone catching rocks Inlaid with a tapestry of plants Lichen sedge and saxifrage Tippling green the pebble all bare Under jagged ridges splintering the sky Beside the rill I made my camp Ground cloth foam pad sleeping bag Pack for a pillow stove at my feet In the failing light my steaming dinner To the gurgle of water and the sky And the stars popping into existence Over the crest of the range still Alpenglow pink spiking indigo The line between the colours pulsing As they faded to two shades of black the number Of stars amazing the Milky Way perfectly Articulating my fall up and in to sleep And was never tired Dreamed the same dreams And heard the rockslides rattle and thunder In the throats of these living mountains Something woke rne I put on my glasses I lay looking up at stars and the Perseids Meteors darting across the starry black Every few heartbeats every direction Fast slow long short far near White or some a shade of red some Seeming to hiss slow down break up I ring great sparks away to the sides In their wakes I watched held by granite Entrained to a meteor shower beyond Any I had imagined possible the stars Still fixed in their places lighting The great shattered granite walls Of the basin all pale witness Together to fireworks one Ploughing the air right over the peaks Fizzing sparks over Fin Dome One shot down just overhead Wow ow I cried and sat up to look As a great BOOM knocked me into A dark land sparked by fire Fires burning My God I cried oh my God oh my God Struggling to get out of bag into boots On my feet out stumbling around a smell Like autumn leaves burning the past I took up my water bag and crashed about Quenching fires that reignited As I ran to the next oh my God And ran to the stream and stopped thinking That here was the action of my life Putting out fires where there was no wood Vision crisscrossed with afterimages Of the final fall green bolts In every blink of the eye finally I stood in the dark understanding There was no need to hurry I came to a chunk of vivid orange A stone standing alone on a slab A meteorite still glowing with heat I sat down before it I calmed my breathing Crosslegged I watched it glow I put my hand out to it I could feel its heat some distance Away the pure colour of fire Films feathering on its surface Incandescent in the night Illuminating the glacial polish Of the slab reflecting in that black Mirror the night quiet the air still Slightly smoky the stars again Fixed in their places the meteor Shower past its peak the stream Chuckling as it had all along Oblivious to the life in the sky A companion of sorts as I watched The burning visitation warm My hands as it filmed over Darkening in its orange Brilliance until it was both orange And black I went to get my sleeping Bag to drape me in my vigil Sleep gone again so many nights Like that but this time justified by My visitor cooling aglow black flakes Crusting over growing Orange darker underneath The moon rose over the jagged peaks Bathed the basin in its cool light Flecked the water in the stream Dark air holding invisible light The meteorite now black over orange Still warm still the centre Of all that basin dark on its slab Of Polished pale granite In the dawn the rock was purest black Of course I took it home with me And put it on the mantelpiece as a Memento of that night and a mark Of where we stand in the world but I will always remember how it felt The night it shot down out of the sky And it glowed orange as I sat beside it And it warmed me like a little sun BTW, I notice that a third book in Ben Bova's series of Mars books (the first of which came out around the same time as KSR's first Mars book) has recently been published: http://www.amazon.com/Mars-Life-Grand-Tour-Bova/dp/0765357240/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_2 From dave at fallingrocks.com Mon Aug 17 06:45:37 2009 From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:45:37 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] RSPOD - August 16, 2009 (updated) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6179B545248E48A3812C85176BF06CA5@meteorroom> Thanks for the photos, Michael. It was great having you over here in Georgia with some of the MAG gang, and we look forward to catching up again soon! All best, Dave -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:32 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RSPOD - August 16, 2009 (updated) http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_16_2009.html __________________________ ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From raremeteorites at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 10:09:12 2009 From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-100 Auctions-Gather Around The Good Stuff! Message-ID: <616708.97217.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear List Members, This is just a quick note to let you know that I loaded several fantastic items on eBay this week. The majority of these items were started at just 99 cents, while others have very reasonably priced buy-it-nows or make an offer. Included in these listings are a planetary main mass, some fantastically prepared cabinet specimens and many other great items. Several are still at the opening bid price of just 99 cents! Please take a look; you will not be disappointed. All 100 Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, ------------------------------------ Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteorites at yahoo.com From eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon Aug 17 10:54:26 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:54:26 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Up to 50% Off Any Meteorite Purchase Message-ID: <4A896F22.9070905@meteoritesusa.com> Hi all, First come first served. Starts at 9am PDT today and end 9am PDT tomorrow 25% OFF individual meteorite purchases from our Ebay store: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Bits-Of-Earth-LLC_Meteorites_W0QQ_fsubZ18165848QQ_sidZ161661447QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322 Our Meteorite Auctions & Ebay Store Items: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/freel3orn Bulk Discounts $250 = 30% Off $350 = 35% Off $450 = 45% Off $500 = 50% Off This is it... No more discounts. Call or send me an email if you have any questions. Payment must be made within 24hrs. Will ship asap. 3-5 business days for delivery. Regards, Eric 904-236-5394 From eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon Aug 17 11:14:49 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:14:49 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Oh yeah... Calling all watchers... Message-ID: <4A8973E9.9000407@meteoritesusa.com> I've noticed over the last few weeks there's been LOTS of watchers on a bunch of my best meteorites I have listed on Ebay. I've relisted these specific items numerous times and each time there are LOADS of watchers but no buyers. To turn you watcher into buyers, if you are currently watching any of my pieces, you can take 30% off the piece you are watching. How will I know it's you? I won't really... but at least it'll motivate some of you watchers and bidders out there... Now stop watching and go bid or buy... 30% off is GOOD! Besides, if you don't buy it now, someone else will and all that watching will be in vain. Hope you enjoy the show! In case you forgot where the auctions are: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/freel3orn Regards, Eric P.S. You're actually gonna have to tell me you're a watcher to get the discount. ;) From damoclid at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 11:24:37 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] WTB: Something KREEPy Message-ID: <724465.10472.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm rapidly closing in on completing my type set of mostly micros. I'm looking to obtain the last few specimens I need. Almost all of the remaining ones, while rarer, are available from some dealers, but the one type no one seems to have, especially in the size I'm looking for, seems to be locked away in cabinets. I'm looking for a small (10mg - 100mg) of a KREEP-rich specimen, such as NWA 4472. If you have a sample in this weight range that you'd be interested in parting with, or know who might have some for sale, please let me know off list. Since my budget is pretty strict, I can't consider anything much larger, but I have a little wiggle room for the right piece if we're close. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 13:53:58 2009 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:53:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for some Sam's Valley Message-ID: <512054F39F8042468B8706DA473FA0CE@Bandli1> Sorry if this posts twice! Good Morning List, I am looking for some Sam's Valley meteorite. Please contact me off-list with your price and size if you have some available. Best regards, Mike Bandli From m_graul at yahoo.de Mon Aug 17 14:33:24 2009 From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: large 1.2kg Seymchan pallasite endpiece with natural patina Message-ID: <605079.27596.qm@web26302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Dear List, in arround one hour end my auction of 1.2kg endpiece on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-SEYMCHAN-pallasite-large-polished-half-1209g_W0QQitemZ370241939808QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item563423a960&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Best Regards, Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 17 17:11:48 2009 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:11:48 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! References: Message-ID: <36DF9463EFC547B182A3C206C89DACA1@ATARIENGINE2> Hi, Marc, List, and all Mars Eaters Everywhere, The piece is actually a poem in "The Martians," a fourth volume or supplement to the Mars Trilogy. It is in a section entitled "If Wang Wei Lived on Mars and Other Poems." He eat a piece of Zagami on March 25, 1996, his 43rd birthday, shortly before the final drafts of the Trilogy were finished, as a kind of celebration. >From the date, it would seem he might have been one of the first to eat or at least taste Mars, and since he published about it, he was likely the first person we heard about doing it. I was, at any rate. Made me buy a Bessey speck a few years later and chow down. Sterling K. Webb ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fries, Marc D (3225)" To: Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! The gent who wrote the Red Mars trilogy, Kim Stanley Robinson, wrote a short appendix to one of the books in the series. The details are a little sketchy to me now (been a while since I read them), but if I recall correctly the appendix was titled, ?The First Recorded Instance of Aerophagy? and was about him sitting on his rooftop looking at Mars while he ate a small piece of a martian meteorite. I recall being stunned at the time, but I wouldn't even blink at such a thing today. Cheers, MDF On 8/16/09 3:18 PM, "Rob McCafferty" wrote: > Nothing unusual about this. > My first ever meteorite was a 25mg piece of Dhofar 1084. Tasting it > was one of > the first things I did. > > I don't recal ever having tasted a martian though it is a distinct > possibility > and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the experience. > > I can tell you that eucrite tastes like those cinder blocks that they > use for > making homes, the really big grey ones....with a little sprinkling of > iron > filings on top. > > You may be wondering how I know what cinder blocks or iron filings > taste like > but I also believe you're intelligent enough to also have guessed the > answer. > > It's a wonder I'm still alive. > > Rob > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Leigh Anne DelRay > wrote: > >> From: Leigh Anne DelRay >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! >> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" , >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:32 PM >> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars >> Rocks!!!!! >> >> The latest trend: >> >> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg >> >> Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! >> >> >> Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon >> Rock >> >> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg >> >> And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. >> >> >> Just a little something to be silly, >> Leigh Anne >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, >> JoshuaTreeMuseum >> wrote: >>> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker- >>> 1278.php >>> >>> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just >> this morning I had a >>> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate >> the way the plagioclase >>> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >>> >>> Phil Whitmer >>> >>> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >>> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise >> has been, well ... >>> By Jay MacDonald >>> >>> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a >> chunk of space debris at >>> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life >> forever. >>> >>> >>> >>> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in >> his hands -- he has >>> tasted them. >>> >>> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock >> that I have purchased >>> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are >> all made of space >>> rock." >>> >>> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael >> Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, >>> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- >> on this planet >>> anyway. >>> >>> Building a rock-solid empire >>> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the >> University of Arizona >>> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and >> vaguely drifting toward a >>> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into >> the largest gem and >>> mineral show on earth. >>> >>> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so >> fascinated with it that it >>> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When >> I saw it, I thought, >>> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >>> >>> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site >> until he met an old-timer >>> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. >> His asking price: >>> $4,000 for the box. >>> >>> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and >> borrow to buy the box," >>> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the >> meteorites, I found that >>> that they were from a very rare collection, and I >> quadrupled my money on >>> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized >> you could actually >>> make money doing this." >>> >>> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the >> first of dozens of trips >>> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >>> >>> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 17:33:15 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:33:15 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <36DF9463EFC547B182A3C206C89DACA1@ATARIENGINE2> References: <36DF9463EFC547B182A3C206C89DACA1@ATARIENGINE2> Message-ID: Let the record show that - 1) Mars meteorites have zero calories per serving. 2) Mars meteorites have zero grams of fat and zero grams of transfats. 3) Mars meteorites are free of artificial flavors, preservatives and colorings. The same cannot be said for lunar meteorites because they contain a considerable amount of green cheese, which is high in fat and calories. Some years ago, I had attempted to patent a nutrition and diet bar whose key ingredients were unprocessed whole wheat and shergottite. I was immediately hit with a cease and desist by the M&M Mars group who had already marketed their Mars Bar. It is interesting to note that my patent would not be approved, despite the fact that the M&M Mars Bar contains no Mars at all - only terrestrial ingredients. I also tried to market a candy bar made from H3-6 chondrite and peanuts, but the makers of Zagnut put a stop to that as well. :( Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/17/09, Sterling K. Webb wrote: > Hi, Marc, List, and all Mars Eaters Everywhere, > > The piece is actually a poem in "The Martians," > a fourth volume or supplement to the Mars Trilogy. > It is in a section entitled "If Wang Wei Lived on Mars > and Other Poems." He eat a piece of Zagami on > March 25, 1996, his 43rd birthday, shortly before > the final drafts of the Trilogy were finished, as a > kind of celebration. > > >From the date, it would seem he might have been > one of the first to eat or at least taste Mars, and > since he published about it, he was likely the first > person we heard about doing it. I was, at any rate. > Made me buy a Bessey speck a few years later and > chow down. > > Sterling K. Webb > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fries, Marc D (3225)" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! > > > The gent who wrote the Red Mars trilogy, Kim Stanley Robinson, wrote a > short > appendix to one of the books in the series. The details are a little > sketchy to me now (been a while since I read them), but if I recall > correctly the appendix was titled, ?The First Recorded Instance of > Aerophagy? and was about him sitting on his rooftop looking at Mars > while he > ate a small piece of a martian meteorite. I recall being stunned at the > time, but I wouldn't even blink at such a thing today. > > Cheers, > MDF > > > On 8/16/09 3:18 PM, "Rob McCafferty" wrote: > >> Nothing unusual about this. >> My first ever meteorite was a 25mg piece of Dhofar 1084. Tasting it >> was one of >> the first things I did. >> >> I don't recal ever having tasted a martian though it is a distinct >> possibility >> and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the experience. >> >> I can tell you that eucrite tastes like those cinder blocks that they >> use for >> making homes, the really big grey ones....with a little sprinkling of >> iron >> filings on top. >> >> You may be wondering how I know what cinder blocks or iron filings >> taste like >> but I also believe you're intelligent enough to also have guessed the >> answer. >> >> It's a wonder I'm still alive. >> >> Rob >> >> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Leigh Anne DelRay >> wrote: >> >>> From: Leigh Anne DelRay >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! >>> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" , >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:32 PM >>> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars >>> Rocks!!!!! >>> >>> The latest trend: >>> >>> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg >>> >>> Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! >>> >>> >>> Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon >>> Rock >>> >>> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg >>> >>> And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. >>> >>> >>> Just a little something to be silly, >>> Leigh Anne >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, >>> JoshuaTreeMuseum >>> wrote: >>>> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker- >>>> 1278.php >>>> >>>> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just >>> this morning I had a >>>> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate >>> the way the plagioclase >>>> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >>>> >>>> Phil Whitmer >>>> >>>> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >>>> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise >>> has been, well ... >>>> By Jay MacDonald >>>> >>>> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a >>> chunk of space debris at >>>> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life >>> forever. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in >>> his hands -- he has >>>> tasted them. >>>> >>>> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock >>> that I have purchased >>>> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are >>> all made of space >>>> rock." >>>> >>>> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael >>> Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, >>>> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- >>> on this planet >>>> anyway. >>>> >>>> Building a rock-solid empire >>>> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the >>> University of Arizona >>>> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and >>> vaguely drifting toward a >>>> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into >>> the largest gem and >>>> mineral show on earth. >>>> >>>> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so >>> fascinated with it that it >>>> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When >>> I saw it, I thought, >>>> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >>>> >>>> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site >>> until he met an old-timer >>>> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. >>> His asking price: >>>> $4,000 for the box. >>>> >>>> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and >>> borrow to buy the box," >>>> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the >>> meteorites, I found that >>>> that they were from a very rare collection, and I >>> quadrupled my money on >>>> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized >>> you could actually >>>> make money doing this." >>>> >>>> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the >>> first of dozens of trips >>>> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >>>> >>>> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... 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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Aug 17 17:41:24 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Researchers Make First Discovery of Life's Building Block in Comet (Stardust) Message-ID: <200908172141.n7HLfORe015157@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stardust/news/stardust_amino_acid.html NASA Researchers Make First Discovery of Life's Building Block in Comet NASA August 17, 2009 NASA scientists have discovered glycine, a fundamental building block of life, in samples of comet Wild 2 returned by NASA's Stardust spacecraft. "Glycine is an amino acid used by living organisms to make proteins, and this is the first time an amino acid has been found in a comet," said Dr. Jamie Elsila of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "Our discovery supports the theory that some of life's ingredients formed in space and were delivered to Earth long ago by meteorite and comet impacts." Elsila is the lead author of a paper on this research accepted for publication in the journal Meteoritics and Planetary Science. The research will be presented during the meeting of the American Chemical Society at the Marriott Metro Center in Washington, DC, August 16. "The discovery of glycine in a comet supports the idea that the fundamental building blocks of life are prevalent in space, and strengthens the argument that life in the universe may be common rather than rare," said Dr. Carl Pilcher, Director of the NASA Astrobiology Institute which co-funded the research. Proteins are the workhorse molecules of life, used in everything from structures like hair to enzymes, the catalysts that speed up or regulate chemical reactions. Just as the 26 letters of the alphabet are arranged in limitless combinations to make words, life uses 20 different amino acids in a huge variety of arrangements to build millions of different proteins. Stardust passed through dense gas and dust surrounding the icy nucleus of Wild 2 (pronounced "Vilt-2") on January 2, 2004. As the spacecraft flew through this material, a special collection grid filled with aerogel ??? a novel sponge-like material that's more than 99 percent empty space ??? gently captured samples of the comet's gas and dust. The grid was stowed in a capsule which detached from the spacecraft and parachuted to Earth on January 15, 2006. Since then, scientists around the world have been busy analyzing the samples to learn the secrets of comet formation and our solar system's history. "We actually analyzed aluminum foil from the sides of tiny chambers that hold the aerogel in the collection grid," said Elsila. "As gas molecules passed through the aerogel, some stuck to the foil. We spent two years testing and developing our equipment to make it accurate and sensitive enough to analyze such incredibly tiny samples." Earlier, preliminary analysis in the Goddard labs detected glycine in both the foil and a sample of the aerogel. However, since glycine is used by terrestrial life, at first the team was unable to rule out contamination from sources on Earth. "It was possible that the glycine we found originated from handling or manufacture of the Stardust spacecraft itself," said Elsila. The new research used isotopic analysis of the foil to rule out that possibility. Isotopes are versions of an element with different weights or masses; for example, the most common carbon atom, Carbon 12, has six protons and six neutrons in its center (nucleus). However, the Carbon 13 isotope is heavier because it has an extra neutron in its nucleus. A glycine molecule from space will tend to have more of the heavier Carbon 13 atoms in it than glycine that's from Earth. That is what the team found. "We discovered that the Stardust-returned glycine has an extraterrestrial carbon isotope signature, indicating that it originated on the comet," said Elsila. The team includes Dr. Daniel Glavin and Dr. Jason Dworkin of NASA Goddard. "Based on the foil and aerogel results it is highly probable that the entire comet-exposed side of the Stardust sample collection grid is coated with glycine that formed in space," adds Glavin. "The discovery of amino acids in the returned comet sample is very exciting and profound," said Stardust Principal Investigator Professor Donald E. Brownlee of the University of Washington, Seattle, Wash. "It is also a remarkable triumph that highlights the advancing capabilities of laboratory studies of primitive extraterrestrial materials." The research was funded by the NASA Stardust Sample Analysis program and the NASA Astrobiology Institute. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., manages the Stardust mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, developed and operated the spacecraft. To learn more about the mission, visit http://stardustnext.jpl.nasa.gov/ . For more about the NASA Goddard astrobiology team, visit http://astrobiology.gsfc.nasa.gov/analytical . Bill Steigerwald NASA Goddard Space Flight Center From gmhupe at htn.net Mon Aug 17 18:02:42 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:02:42 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! References: <36DF9463EFC547B182A3C206C89DACA1@ATARIENGINE2> Message-ID: <98A1F39D8CE94BF9A8CB83CF719A0813@Gregor> Hi Mike, I guess you can not do "Pop Rocks" either :-/ Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Sterling K. Webb" Cc: "Fries, Marc D (3225)" ; Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! Let the record show that - 1) Mars meteorites have zero calories per serving. 2) Mars meteorites have zero grams of fat and zero grams of transfats. 3) Mars meteorites are free of artificial flavors, preservatives and colorings. The same cannot be said for lunar meteorites because they contain a considerable amount of green cheese, which is high in fat and calories. Some years ago, I had attempted to patent a nutrition and diet bar whose key ingredients were unprocessed whole wheat and shergottite. I was immediately hit with a cease and desist by the M&M Mars group who had already marketed their Mars Bar. It is interesting to note that my patent would not be approved, despite the fact that the M&M Mars Bar contains no Mars at all - only terrestrial ingredients. I also tried to market a candy bar made from H3-6 chondrite and peanuts, but the makers of Zagnut put a stop to that as well. :( Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/17/09, Sterling K. Webb wrote: > Hi, Marc, List, and all Mars Eaters Everywhere, > > The piece is actually a poem in "The Martians," > a fourth volume or supplement to the Mars Trilogy. > It is in a section entitled "If Wang Wei Lived on Mars > and Other Poems." He eat a piece of Zagami on > March 25, 1996, his 43rd birthday, shortly before > the final drafts of the Trilogy were finished, as a > kind of celebration. > > >From the date, it would seem he might have been > one of the first to eat or at least taste Mars, and > since he published about it, he was likely the first > person we heard about doing it. I was, at any rate. > Made me buy a Bessey speck a few years later and > chow down. > > Sterling K. Webb > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fries, Marc D (3225)" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! > > > The gent who wrote the Red Mars trilogy, Kim Stanley Robinson, wrote a > short > appendix to one of the books in the series. The details are a little > sketchy to me now (been a while since I read them), but if I recall > correctly the appendix was titled, ?The First Recorded Instance of > Aerophagy? and was about him sitting on his rooftop looking at Mars > while he > ate a small piece of a martian meteorite. I recall being stunned at the > time, but I wouldn't even blink at such a thing today. > > Cheers, > MDF > > > On 8/16/09 3:18 PM, "Rob McCafferty" wrote: > >> Nothing unusual about this. >> My first ever meteorite was a 25mg piece of Dhofar 1084. Tasting it >> was one of >> the first things I did. >> >> I don't recal ever having tasted a martian though it is a distinct >> possibility >> and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the experience. >> >> I can tell you that eucrite tastes like those cinder blocks that they >> use for >> making homes, the really big grey ones....with a little sprinkling of >> iron >> filings on top. >> >> You may be wondering how I know what cinder blocks or iron filings >> taste like >> but I also believe you're intelligent enough to also have guessed the >> answer. >> >> It's a wonder I'm still alive. >> >> Rob >> >> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Leigh Anne DelRay >> wrote: >> >>> From: Leigh Anne DelRay >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! >>> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" , >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:32 PM >>> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars >>> Rocks!!!!! >>> >>> The latest trend: >>> >>> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg >>> >>> Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! >>> >>> >>> Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon >>> Rock >>> >>> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg >>> >>> And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. >>> >>> >>> Just a little something to be silly, >>> Leigh Anne >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, >>> JoshuaTreeMuseum >>> wrote: >>>> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker- >>>> 1278.php >>>> >>>> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just >>> this morning I had a >>>> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate >>> the way the plagioclase >>>> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >>>> >>>> Phil Whitmer >>>> >>>> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >>>> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise >>> has been, well ... >>>> By Jay MacDonald >>>> >>>> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a >>> chunk of space debris at >>>> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life >>> forever. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in >>> his hands -- he has >>>> tasted them. >>>> >>>> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock >>> that I have purchased >>>> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are >>> all made of space >>>> rock." >>>> >>>> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael >>> Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, >>>> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- >>> on this planet >>>> anyway. >>>> >>>> Building a rock-solid empire >>>> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the >>> University of Arizona >>>> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and >>> vaguely drifting toward a >>>> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into >>> the largest gem and >>>> mineral show on earth. >>>> >>>> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so >>> fascinated with it that it >>>> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When >>> I saw it, I thought, >>>> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >>>> >>>> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site >>> until he met an old-timer >>>> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. >>> His asking price: >>>> $4,000 for the box. >>>> >>>> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and >>> borrow to buy the box," >>>> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the >>> meteorites, I found that >>>> that they were from a very rare collection, and I >>> quadrupled my money on >>>> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized >>> you could actually >>>> make money doing this." >>>> >>>> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the >>> first of dozens of trips >>>> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >>>> >>>> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mikewren at gilanet.com Mon Aug 17 20:50:07 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... Message-ID: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Hello, On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on whatever you like. SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I remember correctly). This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple and FUN. Any questions, feel free to ask. Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From parkforestmet at hotmail.com Tue Aug 18 00:35:38 2009 From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> References: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Message-ID: HELLO, HELLO.... I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. > From: mikewren at gilanet.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... > > Hello, > > On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These > were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping > spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most > auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as > many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and > you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on > whatever you like. > > SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: > > http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ > > > The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) > shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I > remember correctly). > > This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to > all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email > questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. > I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when > I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! > > Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as > possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. > After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request > that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will > then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins > before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place > within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as > you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple > and FUN. > > > Any questions, feel free to ask. > > Thanks and Best Wishes > > Michael Cottingham > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery From geeg48 at msn.com Tue Aug 18 02:21:33 2009 From: geeg48 at msn.com (GREG LINDH) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:21:33 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: References: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Message-ID: Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you what....I wish eveyone dealer gave deals as good as Michael Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've bought off of him has been quality merchandise that other dealers would have charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other small collectors) may this List be blessed by many more Cottingham Auctions. Regards, Greg Lindh > From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > To: mikewren at gilanet.com > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > > > HELLO, HELLO.... > > I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. > > >> From: mikewren at gilanet.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 >> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... >> >> Hello, >> >> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These >> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping >> spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most >> auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as >> many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and >> you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on >> whatever you like. >> >> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: >> >> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ >> >> >> The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) >> shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I >> remember correctly). >> >> This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to >> all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email >> questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. >> I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when >> I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! >> >> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as >> possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. >> After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request >> that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will >> then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins >> before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place >> within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as >> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple >> and FUN. >> >> >> Any questions, feel free to ask. >> >> Thanks and Best Wishes >> >> Michael Cottingham >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. > http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From vk3ukf at hotmail.com Tue Aug 18 02:54:33 2009 From: vk3ukf at hotmail.com (Kevin Forbes) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:54:33 +1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars eaters Message-ID: Hi folks, this eating and tasting has been going on for a long time, I myself ate some Mars in the late 1980s or early 1990s in front of Tom the cactus/meteorite man at Springvale in Melbourne. Previously mentioned a couple of years ago. A lot of minerals have taste, and I like to use all my available senses if possible. ----------------------------------------- Kevin Forbes vk3ukf at hotmail.com Wed Jan 17 00:58:49 EST 2007 Previous message: [meteorite-list] eaten meteorite Next message: [meteorite-list] Meteor strikes Alex City house? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] --------------------------------- Hi, that's funny. I'm not so silly after all. ?? Well, maybe I am, but, I ate some dust and crumbs that came from a bit Zagami some years ago, that I obtained from Rob Haag. I must admit to not noticing any differnce between normal Earth rock dirt taste and Zagami at all. It didn't have any Martian flavouring in it whatsoever, and I gave it a good suck too. Yes I do eat dirt and rocks occasionally, I like to see what all of my senses have to offer, when I'm looking at minerals, crystals and so on. Try tasting a small sample of a mineral called pickeringite, I found some about 50 miles from here at the end of an old gold mine drive. Slate with pyrites were the country rock. Just in case you can't find any, it's like allum. From memory, I think it's an hydrous iron sulphate. OOOoooooo........ <<<< My mouth when tasting pickeringite. Cheers, Kevin, VK3UKF. ------------------------------- So, is there now a name for folks that taste minerals. As you can see, I often suck rocks if I think there may be some indicator apart from rockish. If the sample contains salts, it will have flavour. I don't suck every rock I find or get, can't imagine giving cinnabar or saleeite or good lick. I missed the start of this thread, of to find it. Kevin. _________________________________________________________________ Use Windows Live Messenger from your Hotmail inbox Web IM has arrived! http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 From eric at meteoritesusa.com Tue Aug 18 03:24:43 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:24:43 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: References: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Message-ID: <4A8A573B.7040301@meteoritesusa.com> Hear Hear! I would love to see more ADs... Go figure right... ;) lol Maybe we could have a "Happy AD Day!" where all dealers would post happy ads all on one day just for all those ad lovers out there... I think we should. Regards to all and to all a happy ad day to come... Keep it coming Michael, Mike M., Adam, Greg, Farmer, McCartney, Dave G, Jason, Dean, Rob, Mirko, Blood, Gary, Martin, Steve #1, Steve #2 too, Geoff, Mike B, Brian, Mike G, Greg C. and of course you're bound to see more from me. Eric GREG LINDH wrote: > > > Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you what....I wish eveyone dealer gave deals as good as Michael Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've bought off of him has been quality merchandise that other dealers would have charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. > Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other small collectors) may this List be blessed by many more Cottingham Auctions. > > Regards, > Greg Lindh > > > > > >> From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com >> To: mikewren at gilanet.com >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 >> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! >> >> >> HELLO, HELLO.... >> >> I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. >> >> >> >>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These >>> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping >>> spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most >>> auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as >>> many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and >>> you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on >>> whatever you like. >>> >>> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: >>> >>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ >>> >>> >>> The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) >>> shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I >>> remember correctly). >>> >>> This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to >>> all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email >>> questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. >>> I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when >>> I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! >>> >>> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as >>> possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. >>> After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request >>> that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will >>> then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins >>> before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place >>> within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as >>> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple >>> and FUN. >>> >>> >>> Any questions, feel free to ask. >>> >>> Thanks and Best Wishes >>> >>> Michael Cottingham >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From erikfwebb at msn.com Tue Aug 18 03:38:32 2009 From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:38:32 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars eaters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just stay away from the NWA's or you might end up eating a camel turd! [Erik] > From: vk3ukf at hotmail.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:54:33 +1000 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars eaters > > > > Hi folks, this eating and tasting has been going on for a long time, I myself ate some Mars in the late 1980s or early 1990s in front of Tom the cactus/meteorite man at Springvale in Melbourne. > > Previously mentioned a couple of years ago. > > A lot of minerals have taste, and I like to use all my available senses if possible. > > ----------------------------------------- > > Kevin Forbes vk3ukf at hotmail.com > Wed Jan 17 00:58:49 EST 2007 > Previous message: [meteorite-list] eaten meteorite > Next message: [meteorite-list] Meteor strikes Alex City house? > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > --------------------------------- > Hi, that's funny. > I'm not so silly after all. > ?? > Well, maybe I am, but, > I ate some dust and crumbs that came from a bit Zagami some years ago, that > I obtained from Rob Haag. > I must admit to not noticing any differnce between normal Earth rock dirt > taste and Zagami at all. > It didn't have any Martian flavouring in it whatsoever, and I gave it a good > suck too. > Yes I do eat dirt and rocks occasionally, I like to see what all of my > senses have to offer, when I'm looking at minerals, crystals and so on. Try > tasting a small sample of a mineral called pickeringite, I found some about > 50 miles from here at the end of an old gold mine drive. Slate with pyrites > were the country rock. > Just in case you can't find any, it's like allum. From memory, I think it's > an hydrous iron sulphate. > > OOOoooooo........ <<<< My mouth when tasting pickeringite. > Cheers, Kevin, VK3UKF. > > ------------------------------- > > So, is there now a name for folks that taste minerals. > As you can see, I often suck rocks if I think there may be some indicator apart from rockish. > > If the sample contains salts, it will have flavour. > > I don't suck every rock I find or get, can't imagine giving cinnabar or saleeite or good lick. > > I missed the start of this thread, of to find it. > > Kevin. > _________________________________________________________________ > Use Windows Live Messenger from your Hotmail inbox Web IM has arrived! > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 18 08:01:48 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:01:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Moissanite Message-ID: Dear List, I'm curious if any have been faithful to our meteorite passion and made a jewellery purchase with moissanite? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite I've had a look at these gems, and they are quite spectacular! Also, for the discerning shopper, cheaper than diamonds. Cheers, Pete _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Tue Aug 18 08:13:54 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:13:54 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 18, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_18_2009.html __________________________ From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 08:29:03 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway Message-ID: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From nuuska at dlc.fi Tue Aug 18 08:56:35 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:56:35 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Moissanite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8AA503.5090205@dlc.fi> Today nearly all moissanites (silicon-carbide) on the market are man made, and older diamond-testers can?t find the difference between diamond and moissanite (had to buy another tester, and it wasn?t cheap). So I?m not a very big fan of moissanite ;-) Natural moissanite is very rare, and it?s also very difficult to find out, if stone is synthetich or natural. Usually they are syntetichs, think natural moissenite it priced higher than diamond. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_carbide best, pekka s Pete Pete kirjoitti: > > Dear List, > > I'm curious if any have been faithful to our meteorite passion and made a jewellery purchase with moissanite? > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite > > I've had a look at these gems, and they are quite spectacular! > Also, for the discerning shopper, cheaper than diamonds. > > Cheers, > Pete > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.408 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: 08/18/09 06:03:00 > > -- Pekka Savolainen Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Rasala FINLAND member of IMCA #5776 www.imca.cc From garychase at live.com Tue Aug 18 10:30:14 2009 From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:30:14 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway In-Reply-To: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What ever it is........... I'll Take it. Thanks Stevie. Gary > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:29:03 -0700 > From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway > > > > > > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 From cynapse at charter.net Tue Aug 18 11:52:40 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:52:40 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway In-Reply-To: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This isn't clear-- are you giving away Steve Arnold, or Chicago? On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:29:03 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > > > >?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From eric at meteoritesusa.com Tue Aug 18 10:54:45 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:54:45 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Researchers Discover Life's Building Block in Comet Message-ID: <4A8AC0B5.9070703@meteoritesusa.com> Nancy Neal Jones / Bill Steigerwald Goddard Space Flight Center, Md. 301 286 0039 / 5017 RELEASE : 09-100AR SOURCE: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2009/09-100AR.html August 17th 2009 NASA Researchers Discover Life's Building Block in Comet MOFFETT FIELD, Calif. -- NASA scientists have discovered glycine, a fundamental building block of life, in samples of comet Wild 2 returned by NASA's Stardust spacecraft. "Glycine is an amino acid used by living organisms to make proteins, and this is the first time an amino acid has been found in a comet," said Jamie Elsila of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. "Our discovery supports the theory that some of life's ingredients formed in space and were delivered to Earth long ago by meteorite and comet impacts." Elsila is the lead author of a paper on this research accepted for publication in the journal Meteoritics and Planetary Science. The research was presented during the meeting of the American Chemical Society at the Marriott Metro Center, Washington, DC, Aug. 16, 2009. "The discovery of glycine in a comet supports the idea that the fundamental building blocks of life are prevalent in space, and strengthens the argument that life in the universe may be common rather than rare," said Carl Pilcher, director of the NASA Astrobiology Institute headquartered at NASA Ames Research Center, which co-funded the research. Proteins are the workhorse molecules of life, used in everything from structures like hair to enzymes, the catalysts that speed up or regulate chemical reactions. Just as the 26 letters of the alphabet are arranged in limitless combinations to make words, life uses 20 different amino acids in a huge variety of arrangements to build millions of different proteins. Stardust passed through dense gas and dust surrounding the icy nucleus of Wild 2 (pronounced "Vilt-2") on January 2, 2004. As the spacecraft flew through this material, a special collection grid filled with aerogel ? a novel sponge-like material that's more than 99 percent empty space ? gently captured samples of the comet's gas and dust. The grid was stowed in a capsule which detached from the spacecraft and parachuted to Earth on January 15, 2006. Since then, scientists around the world have been busy analyzing the samples to learn the secrets of comet formation and our solar system's history. "We actually analyzed aluminum foil from the sides of tiny chambers that hold the aerogel in the collection grid," said Elsila. "As gas molecules passed through the aerogel, some stuck to the foil. We spent two years testing and developing our equipment to make it accurate and sensitive enough to analyze such incredibly tiny samples." Earlier, preliminary analysis in the Goddard labs detected glycine in both the foil and a sample of the aerogel. However, since glycine is used by terrestrial life, at first the team was unable to rule out contamination from sources on Earth. "It was possible that the glycine we found originated from handling or manufacture of the Stardust spacecraft itself," said Elsila. The new research used isotopic analysis of the foil to rule out that possibility. Isotopes are versions of an element with different weights or masses; for example, the most common carbon atom, Carbon 12, has six protons and six neutrons in its center (nucleus). However, the Carbon 13 isotope is heavier because it has an extra neutron in its nucleus. A glycine molecule from space will tend to have more of the heavier Carbon 13 atoms in it than glycine that's from Earth. That is what the team found. "We discovered that the Stardust-returned glycine has an extraterrestrial carbon isotope signature, indicating that it originated on the comet," said Elsila. The team includes Daniel Glavin and Jason Dworkin of NASA Goddard. "Based on the foil and aerogel results it is highly probable that the entire comet-exposed side of the Stardust sample collection grid is coated with glycine that formed in space," adds Glavin. "The discovery of amino acids in the returned comet sample is very exciting and profound," said Stardust Principal Investigator Professor Donald E. Brownlee of the University of Washington, Seattle, Wash. "It is also a remarkable triumph that highlights the advancing capabilities of laboratory studies of primitive extraterrestrial materials." The research was funded by the NASA Stardust Sample Analysis program and the NASA Astrobiology Institute. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., manages the Stardust mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, developed and operated the spacecraft. For images, refer to: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stardust/news/stardust_amino_acid.html NASA Discovers Life's Building Blocks 1st Delivered to Earth By Meteorite & Comets http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/08/nasa-discovery-lifes-building-blocks-1st-delivered-to-earth-by-meteorite-comets.html Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com From meteoritemike at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 10:55:16 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:55:16 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway In-Reply-To: References: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The freebie is a tutorial on internet mail filtering! Congratulations. Cut paste this email address into your blocking filter - stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Your enjoyment of the list will immediately increase after doing this. :) On 8/18/09, Gary Chase wrote: > > What ever it is........... I'll Take it. > > Thanks Stevie. > > Gary > > >> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:29:03 -0700 >> From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway >> >> >> >> >> >> Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on > Facebook. > http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 11:02:54 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Soon... Message-ID: <11060.94690.qm@web46416.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> http://www.meteoritetreasurehunt.info http://www.meteoritetreasurehunt.info http://www.meteoritetreasurehunt.info From mpg4444 at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 12:21:13 2009 From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:21:13 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway In-Reply-To: References: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I thought he was supposed to be working now? Or maybe staring at the new tatoo on his ........... Has to be a tatoo of himself. It is all about him you know. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > The freebie is a tutorial on internet mail filtering! ?Congratulations. > > Cut paste this email address into your blocking filter - > stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com > > Your enjoyment of the list will immediately increase after doing this. :) > > > On 8/18/09, Gary Chase wrote: >> >> What ever it is........... ? I'll Take it. >> >> Thanks Stevie. >> >> Gary >> >> >>> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:29:03 -0700 >>> From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on >> Facebook. >> http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From meteorites at online.nl Tue Aug 18 12:13:33 2009 From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:13:33 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] 3 Arctic pieces on Ebay....... Message-ID: Listoids, I have listed 3 Antartica fragments on Ebay. Enjoy... http://cgi.ebay.com/Antarctica-Meteorite-Collection-3-in-one-sale_W0QQitemZ170373452217QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ab0c91b9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Cheers, Jan IMCA #9833 From mail at mhmeteorites.com Tue Aug 18 12:15:50 2009 From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:15:50 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results Message-ID: <20090818091550.vy3k1q0zt8go4c80@webmail.mhmeteorites.com> From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Tue Aug 18 12:11:53 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 18 Aug 2009 16:11:53 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 18, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_18_2009.html www.meteorite-recon.com writes: "An unusual feature in Nuevo Mercurio is the presence of irregular pores or 'vugs' (approx 10 vol. percent) into which crystals of the various phases intrude. (No, we won't cut the specimen to test said claim)." And you don't have to cut that beautiful specimen because one look at a cut slice of Nuevo Mercurio under a microscope immediately reveals these pores or vugs and gives you the impression you are looking at Mount Tazerzait or Baszk?wka. Best wishes from seething hot Southern Germany, Bernd From mqfowler at mac.com Tue Aug 18 13:38:11 2009 From: mqfowler at mac.com (Michael Fowler) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:38:11 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results Message-ID: Thanks Matt, My take on the results is that the auction was very well bid with many items selling for fair to high prices. I bid on one lot at more than twice the high estimate, and did not get it. Perhaps Michael Blood will comment on this auction in an upcoming "Meteorite Market Trends". Mike Fowler Chicago From mail at mhmeteorites.com Tue Aug 18 13:39:11 2009 From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:39:11 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results Message-ID: <141250970-1250617223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1040152250-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I bid on several, only to lose the 5 of the items by 100 pounds. Frustrating. Wish there was a better interface for this auction. Matt ------Original Message------ From: Michael Fowler Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Cc: Michael Fowler Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results Sent: Aug 18, 2009 11:38 AM Thanks Matt, My take on the results is that the auction was very well bid with many items selling for fair to high prices. I bid on one lot at more than twice the high estimate, and did not get it. Perhaps Michael Blood will comment on this auction in an upcoming "Meteorite Market Trends". Mike Fowler Chicago ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 14:18:25 2009 From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] fake/bogus ebay auctions In-Reply-To: <670364.59006.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <670364.59006.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <999104.77050.qm@web43411.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks Ted, Ill post it on the SkyRock cafe today. Thanks for the heads up. Best, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com ----- Original Message ---- From: ted brattstrom To: Joe Kerchner Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:48:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] fake/bogus ebay auctions Aloha - Not being a registered member, and I don't really need another bunch of stuff to read - I noticed: 'albert_yap' - Rare Nepal Himalayas Chondrite Meteorite Sky Stone II What he has there is a (not so Rare) Akaash Dhunga = Sky Stone. Local story is that they are associated with Lightning/Thunder, often "plough up the ground", and are found at the end of a ploughed up area... They become religious objects... Interestingly - they are all in the shape of / similar to, small adze/axes reminiscent of the neolithic... I have a small collection of them that I got when I returned to Nepal in 1988 - I worked there as a Peace Corps volunteer, and hadn't seen one when I was there '78-82 ... in '88 one or two stores in Kathmandu had a few. Alas - they are not magnetic (though, Maybe I should go back and check my stash with a stronger magnet) While it would be cool if they really were meteorites - I doubt it :-) :-) To his credit - Sky Stones - is the local name... chondrite, however, is dubious. You are welcome to post that on the Cafe... and if you need pics of a selection of them, let me know. cheers - Ted Brattstrom --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Joe Kerchner wrote: > From: Joe Kerchner > Subject: [meteorite-list] fake/bogus ebay auctions > To: "meteorite list" > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:02 PM > hello listees, > A heads up to everyone, you can see and or > list any ebay auctions that are suspect and are selling > bogus stones and trying to pass them off as meteorites or > listing them as something other than what they are. > If you see a seller listing a meteorite for > something other than what it really is or a fake, it would > be helpful to newbies and everyone for you to post a link to > that auction here: > http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?board=ebay > Thanks, > Joe Kerchner > http://illinoismeteorites.com > http://skyrock.com > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From rlenssen at planet.nl Tue Aug 18 14:43:10 2009 From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:43:10 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find Message-ID: <1AC8F6B47093440189EAB8F189427782@EIGENAARNJEQJY> Dear List, I received a new meteorite directly from a Moroccan dealer last week, that looks remarkably fresh. The dealer told me the 314g stone was broken in (three) fragments by the nomad who found it. Also the name of the town of find was provided. My first thought was that it would be one of recent years falls. The dealer insists it's not. As I thought the price to be OK, I decided to buy. I "studied" the pieces, and compared them to my Bassikounou: The material looks whiter than Bassikounou (that again looks whiter (less grey) than Chergach to me). It has a lot of free iron (more than visible in the photographs) and few visible larger chondrules. Based on the free iron, I would not expect it to be LL like Bensour. Tested with a magnet, it is attracted strongly, but slightly less than Bassikounou an H-type chondrite. And last, the crust has almost no dust (fine sand) contamination, like Bassikounou typically has. My question is how to deal with this stone, with respect to classification. Does this stone deserve more than the standard NWA classification? Should for instance terrestrial age be determined? I would appreciate some guidance from List members who are (professionally) involved in meteorite research. http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/314g/314g-NWA.html Kind regards, Rob Lenssen From gmhupe at htn.net Tue Aug 18 14:54:50 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:54:50 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find References: <1AC8F6B47093440189EAB8F189427782@EIGENAARNJEQJY> Message-ID: Hello Rob, That is a very nice and fresh stone. I would say it does not represent any of the recent NWA falls. I would send it in to have it classified, and request the classifying scientist to have the terrestrial age dating performed by an approved lab. Obviously it will not get a distinct name without witnesses and GPS coords, but I think that it would be worth classifying. Good luck with it! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find > Dear List, > > I received a new meteorite directly from a Moroccan dealer last week, that > looks remarkably fresh. > > The dealer told me the 314g stone was broken in (three) fragments by the > nomad who found it. Also the name of the town of find was provided. > > My first thought was that it would be one of recent years falls. > The dealer insists it's not. > As I thought the price to be OK, I decided to buy. > > I "studied" the pieces, and compared them to my Bassikounou: > The material looks whiter than Bassikounou (that again looks whiter (less > grey) than Chergach to me). > It has a lot of free iron (more than visible in the photographs) and few > visible larger chondrules. > Based on the free iron, I would not expect it to be LL like Bensour. > Tested with a magnet, it is attracted strongly, but slightly less than > Bassikounou an H-type chondrite. > And last, the crust has almost no dust (fine sand) contamination, like > Bassikounou typically has. > > My question is how to deal with this stone, with respect to > classification. > Does this stone deserve more than the standard NWA classification? > Should for instance terrestrial age be determined? > I would appreciate some guidance from List members who are > (professionally) involved in meteorite research. > > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/314g/314g-NWA.html > > Kind regards, > Rob Lenssen > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From tricottetcoll at live.com Tue Aug 18 15:43:25 2009 From: tricottetcoll at live.com (The Tricottet Collection) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:43:25 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Remaining meteorites/impact kits available for sale/trade Message-ID: Dear list members, I have listed on the following link all the remaining meteorites from my collection, which are available for sale or trade. Offers will be considered. For trades, I'm only looking for meteorites with painted number. Highlights: Very nice full slices from Forest City, Campos Sales..., Sculpted Vaca Muerta, Large Gao and Kunya Urgench, St Michel from Helsinki museum, the 100/200 Garza impact kit... Much more on the link below http://s887.photobucket.com/albums/ac80/tricottetcoll/?albumview=slideshow&track=share_email_album_view_click Thank you for your interest, ArnaudM _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 16:04:05 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - NEW EBAY ITEMS LISTED Message-ID: <781687.87234.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi to all, I just listed some nice stuff on ebay for 5-7 day listings. I qill be listing more over the next day or two, so check back to see whats new. Visit my ebay listings here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 Thanks for looking, Greg C. www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 16:10:05 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] SORRY LIST Message-ID: <498080.59278.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all.I am sorry about this morning.I meant to say I am having the largest freebie session ever.I have endcuts ans slices.I have alot so come one come all. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From garychase at live.com Tue Aug 18 16:40:57 2009 From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:40:57 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] SORRY LIST In-Reply-To: <498080.59278.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <498080.59278.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Put me on your mailing list Steve. I am always in the mood for free stuff. I don't even care if I don't really want it. I will just sell it on ebay! Thanks Steve, you are the greatest ! Gary ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:10:05 -0700 > From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] SORRY LIST > > Hi all.I am sorry about this morning.I meant to say I am having the largest freebie session ever.I have endcuts ans slices.I have alot so come one come all. > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 18 17:14:01 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:14:01 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Re : Moissanite In-Reply-To: <412407.78469.qm@web24704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <412407.78469.qm@web24704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Roger and all, Here are some of the pictures I found impressive: http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=moissanite&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=moissanite&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi Cheers Pete ________________________________ > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:10:03 +0000 > From: warinroger at yahoo.fr > Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Moissanite > To: rsvp321 at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > > > Hi Pete, all, > > > > A large number of polytypes of moissanite is known, predominantly hexagonal or rhombohedral. It is an essential difference compared to the diamond and it is cheap to observe Moissanite trough a microscope. > Thus, Moissanite is dichroic (birefingence), unlike the diamond. It appears therefore a duplication of the edges of the faces when we see the stone under the microscope. > The white color of moissanite is not as white as diamonds of the highest quality (Class D). But the refracted colors are more intense. > > * Hardness: 9.25 - 9,50 > * Refractive index : Diamond : 2.417 > > Moissanite : 2.65 ? 2.69. > > > > First occurrence: Canyon Diablo meteorite, Meteor Crater. > > > > The probability of forming diamond on Earth is higher than the formation of Moissanite. As against meteorites can prevail conditions of pressure and temperature on a larger scale in comparison with Earth, it seems natural that the presence of Moissanite is favored in some meteorites. Indeed, scattering of carbon (C) and silicon (Si) in asteroids is larger than in the kimberlite cones. > > You can see a pic of an artificial Moissanite ("brilliant-cut? & diameter 6.5 mm, 1.00 carat). > It is difficult to shoot moissanite because the gemstone is a light trap. It seems black. > > > > http://s590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/Pierreponce_2009/ > > > > Roger. > > > ________________________________ > De : Pete Pete > ? : meteoritelist meteoritelist > Envoy? le : Mardi, 18 Ao?t 2009, 14h01mn 48s > Objet : [meteorite-list] Moissanite > > > > Dear List, > > I'm curious if any have been faithful to our meteorite passion and made a jewellery purchase with moissanite? > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite > > I've had a look at these gems, and they are quite spectacular! > Also, for the discerning shopper, cheaper than > diamonds. > > Cheers, > Pete > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 From nuuska at dlc.fi Tue Aug 18 18:07:45 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:07:45 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Re : Moissanite In-Reply-To: References: <412407.78469.qm@web24704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A8B2631.6020105@dlc.fi> this is great, and seems genuine (not the stones) ;-) http://www.moissanite-mania.com/moissanite-mania.jpg Sorry, but as a gemmologist to me synthetic moissanite is same as synthetic meteorites as a met-collector... Have never had natural moissanite in my hand, and lab-created is starting to be a problem on the jewelry -market. Anyway, great-looking stones, but not gemstones to me, just replicas. best, pekka s Pete Pete kirjoitti: > > Hi, Roger and all, > > Here are some of the pictures I found impressive: > > http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=moissanite&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi > http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=moissanite&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi > > Cheers > Pete > > > ________________________________ > >> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:10:03 +0000 >> From: warinroger at yahoo.fr >> Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Moissanite >> To: rsvp321 at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> >> >> >> >> Hi Pete, all, >> >> >> >> A large number of polytypes of moissanite is known, predominantly hexagonal or rhombohedral. It is an essential difference compared to the diamond and it is cheap to observe Moissanite trough a microscope. >> Thus, Moissanite is dichroic (birefingence), unlike the diamond. It appears therefore a duplication of the edges of the faces when we see the stone under the microscope. >> The white color of moissanite is not as white as diamonds of the highest quality (Class D). But the refracted colors are more intense. >> >> * Hardness: 9.25 - 9,50 >> * Refractive index : Diamond : 2.417 >> >> Moissanite : 2.65 ? 2.69. >> >> >> >> First occurrence: Canyon Diablo meteorite, Meteor Crater. >> >> >> >> The probability of forming diamond on Earth is higher than the formation of Moissanite. As against meteorites can prevail conditions of pressure and temperature on a larger scale in comparison with Earth, it seems natural that the presence of Moissanite is favored in some meteorites. Indeed, scattering of carbon (C) and silicon (Si) in asteroids is larger than in the kimberlite cones. >> >> You can see a pic of an artificial Moissanite ("brilliant-cut? & diameter 6.5 mm, 1.00 carat). >> It is difficult to shoot moissanite because the gemstone is a light trap. It seems black. >> >> >> >> http://s590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/Pierreponce_2009/ >> >> >> >> Roger. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> De : Pete Pete >> ? : meteoritelist meteoritelist >> Envoy? le : Mardi, 18 Ao?t 2009, 14h01mn 48s >> Objet : [meteorite-list] Moissanite >> >> >> >> Dear List, >> >> I'm curious if any have been faithful to our meteorite passion and made a jewellery purchase with moissanite? >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite >> >> I've had a look at these gems, and they are quite spectacular! >> Also, for the discerning shopper, cheaper than >> diamonds. >> >> Cheers, >> Pete >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! >> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ > Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.408 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: 08/18/09 06:03:00 > > -- Pekka Savolainen Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Rasala FINLAND member of IMCA #5776 www.imca.cc From parkforestmet at hotmail.com Tue Aug 18 18:09:49 2009 From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:09:49 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: References: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Message-ID: I've never purchased from mc. I've heard many list members compliment his prices. It's good that you can haggle with him if this is so. Point is that he casts the bait pretty high fishing for suckers. If you're an informed buyer and you can deal it's great, but if you're new you can get ripped... Yes, it's acceptable to do business that way. Buyer beware and all that. No, it doesn't help anyone in the longrun but mc. I like the idea about adday although I fear it would be abused. I'm sure that mc is a complicated man and does understand. "Who's the black private dick That's a sex machine to all the chicks? SHAFT! Ya damn right! Who is the man that would risk his neck For his brother man? SHAFT! Can you dig it? Who's the cat that won't cop out When there's danger all about? SHAFT! Right On! They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother SHUT YOUR MOUTH! I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft. THEN WE CAN DIG IT! He's a complicated man But no one understands him but his woman JOHN SHAFT!" > From: geeg48 at msn.com > To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:21:33 -0700 > > > > > Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you what....I wish eveyone dealer gave deals as good as Michael Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've bought off of him has been quality merchandise that other dealers would have charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. > Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other small collectors) may this List be blessed by many more Cottingham Auctions. > > Regards, > Greg Lindh > > > > >> From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com >> To: mikewren at gilanet.com >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 >> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! >> >> >> HELLO, HELLO.... >> >> I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. >> >> >>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These >>> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping >>> spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most >>> auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as >>> many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and >>> you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on >>> whatever you like. >>> >>> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: >>> >>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ >>> >>> >>> The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) >>> shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I >>> remember correctly). >>> >>> This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to >>> all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email >>> questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. >>> I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when >>> I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! >>> >>> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as >>> possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. >>> After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request >>> that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will >>> then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins >>> before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place >>> within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as >>> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple >>> and FUN. >>> >>> >>> Any questions, feel free to ask. >>> >>> Thanks and Best Wishes >>> >>> Michael Cottingham >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> _________________________________________________________________ >> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From jbaxter112 at pol.net Tue Aug 18 18:50:29 2009 From: jbaxter112 at pol.net (James Baxter) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2144007896.638581250635829439.JavaMail.root@zmcs01l-pol-08.portal.webmd.com> Hi Rob, Greg, That really does look like a fall; beautiful stone. It reminds me of Bensour a bit, although I didn't see evidenve of brecciation which is pretty prominent in the Bensour I have seen. Any chance it could be from that fall? Regards, Jim Baxter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Hupe" To: "Rob Lenssen" , Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:54:50 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find Hello Rob, That is a very nice and fresh stone. I would say it does not represent any of the recent NWA falls. I would send it in to have it classified, and request the classifying scientist to have the terrestrial age dating performed by an approved lab. Obviously it will not get a distinct name without witnesses and GPS coords, but I think that it would be worth classifying. Good luck with it! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find > Dear List, > > I received a new meteorite directly from a Moroccan dealer last week, that > looks remarkably fresh. > > The dealer told me the 314g stone was broken in (three) fragments by the > nomad who found it. Also the name of the town of find was provided. > > My first thought was that it would be one of recent years falls. > The dealer insists it's not. > As I thought the price to be OK, I decided to buy. > > I "studied" the pieces, and compared them to my Bassikounou: > The material looks whiter than Bassikounou (that again looks whiter (less > grey) than Chergach to me). > It has a lot of free iron (more than visible in the photographs) and few > visible larger chondrules. > Based on the free iron, I would not expect it to be LL like Bensour. > Tested with a magnet, it is attracted strongly, but slightly less than > Bassikounou an H-type chondrite. > And last, the crust has almost no dust (fine sand) contamination, like > Bassikounou typically has. > > My question is how to deal with this stone, with respect to > classification. > Does this stone deserve more than the standard NWA classification? > Should for instance terrestrial age be determined? > I would appreciate some guidance from List members who are > (professionally) involved in meteorite research. > > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/314g/314g-NWA.html > > Kind regards, > Rob Lenssen > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 18:52:21 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <228984.82835.qm@web46416.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Honestly, I would rather see many posts with this: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ Then the many posts complaining about this: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ so for those that dont want to see this: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ they can visit this: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 and the problem should be solved. but please, no more of this, becouse of this http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ ; ) Greg C. --- On Tue, 8/18/09, bill kies wrote: > From: bill kies > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > To: geeg48 at msn.com > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 6:09 PM > > I've never purchased from mc. I've heard many list members > compliment his prices. It's good that you can haggle with > him if this is so. Point is that he casts the bait pretty > high fishing for suckers. If you're an informed buyer and > you can deal it's great, but if you're new you can get > ripped... > > Yes, it's acceptable to do business that way. Buyer beware > and all that. No, it doesn't help anyone in the longrun but > mc. > I like the idea about adday although I fear it would be > abused. > > I'm sure that mc is a complicated man and does understand. > > "Who's the black private dick > That's a sex machine to all the chicks? > SHAFT! > Ya damn right! > > Who is the man that would risk his neck > For his brother man? > SHAFT! > Can you dig it? > > Who's the cat that won't cop out > When there's danger all about? > SHAFT! > Right On! > > They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother > SHUT YOUR MOUTH! > I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft. > THEN WE CAN DIG IT! > > He's a complicated man > But no one understands him but his woman > JOHN SHAFT!" > > > > > From: geeg48 at msn.com > > To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU > CAN!!! > > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:21:33 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you what....I > wish eveyone dealer gave deals as good as Michael > Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've bought off of him has > been quality merchandise that other dealers would have > charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. > > Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other > small collectors) may this List be blessed by many more > Cottingham Auctions. > > > > Regards, > > Greg Lindh > > > > > > > > > >> From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > >> To: mikewren at gilanet.com > >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 > >> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS > YOU CAN!!! > >> > >> > >> HELLO, HELLO.... > >> > >> I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. > >> > >> > >>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com > >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 > >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For > List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You > Will Win... > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 > Auctions ending. These > >>> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am > offering a $300.00 shopping > >>> spree in my ebay store to which ever list > member wins the most > >>> auctions. A pretty simple game with big > rewards. Just bid and win as > >>> many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of > the most auctions and > >>> you then can go shopping in my ebay store and > use the $300.00 on > >>> whatever you like. > >>> > >>> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: > >>> > >>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ > >>> > >>> > >>> The last game was a big, big success and I > gave out 2($250.00) > >>> shopping sprees and one other shopping spree > for $150.00 (If I > >>> remember correctly). > >>> > >>> This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. > My last one was open to > >>> all ebayers, but that was just a little > overwhelming with email > >>> questions. However, the game brought many new > people into meteorites. > >>> I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay > store each month and when > >>> I ran the game the last time my visits > exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! > >>> > >>> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as > many auctions as > >>> possible. There are some really nice > meteorites out there this week. > >>> After the auctions are over, I will notify the > winner and I request > >>> that you paypal me the $$$ for the won > auctions within 1 hour. I will > >>> then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. > YOU MUST PAY for your wins > >>> before you can go shopping and I need the > shopping to take place > >>> within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. > Win as many auctions as > >>> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then > go shopping! Simple > >>> and FUN. > >>> > >>> > >>> Any questions, feel free to ask. > >>> > >>> Thanks and Best Wishes > >>> > >>> Michael Cottingham > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ______________________________________________ > >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and > share your photos. > >> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery > >> ______________________________________________ > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From meteoritekid at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 18:33:16 2009 From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:33:16 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results In-Reply-To: <141250970-1250617223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1040152250-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <141250970-1250617223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1040152250-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <93aaac890908181533m5a638017i6fa2262d4964b950@mail.gmail.com> What might be interesting to note is the error on the auctioneer's website. The auction started at 1pm GMT, not the advertised 2pm GMT. Time in the UK isn't on GMT, because of daylight savings, and the auction thus started an hour earlier than was advertised online. Seems to me that Rob might have solid grounds for a lawsuit. Jason On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Matt Morgan wrote: > I bid on several, only to lose the 5 of the items by 100 pounds. Frustrating. ?Wish there was a better interface for this auction. > Matt > ------Original Message------ > From: Michael Fowler > Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Cc: Michael Fowler > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results > Sent: Aug 18, 2009 11:38 AM > > ?> > > Thanks Matt, > > My take on the results is that the auction was very well bid with many > items selling for fair to high prices. ?I bid on one lot at more than > twice the high estimate, and did not get it. > Perhaps Michael Blood will comment on this auction in an upcoming > "Meteorite Market Trends". > > Mike Fowler > Chicago > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From meteoritemike at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 19:04:38 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:04:38 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find In-Reply-To: <2144007896.638581250635829439.JavaMail.root@zmcs01l-pol-08.portal.webmd.com> References: <2144007896.638581250635829439.JavaMail.root@zmcs01l-pol-08.portal.webmd.com> Message-ID: Whatever it is, it looks very very fresh. I'd be elated if I came across a stone like that, in-situ or in my mailbox. :) On 8/18/09, James Baxter wrote: > Hi Rob, Greg, > > That really does look like a fall; beautiful stone. > > It reminds me of Bensour a bit, although I didn't see evidenve of > brecciation which is pretty prominent in the Bensour I have seen. Any chance > it could be from that fall? > > Regards, > Jim Baxter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Hupe" > To: "Rob Lenssen" , Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:54:50 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh > find > > Hello Rob, > > That is a very nice and fresh stone. I would say it does not represent any > of the recent NWA falls. I would send it in to have it classified, and > request the classifying scientist to have the terrestrial age dating > performed by an approved lab. Obviously it will not get a distinct name > without witnesses and GPS coords, but I think that it would be worth > classifying. > > Good luck with it! > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Lenssen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:43 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find > > >> Dear List, >> >> I received a new meteorite directly from a Moroccan dealer last week, that >> >> looks remarkably fresh. >> >> The dealer told me the 314g stone was broken in (three) fragments by the >> nomad who found it. Also the name of the town of find was provided. >> >> My first thought was that it would be one of recent years falls. >> The dealer insists it's not. >> As I thought the price to be OK, I decided to buy. >> >> I "studied" the pieces, and compared them to my Bassikounou: >> The material looks whiter than Bassikounou (that again looks whiter (less >> grey) than Chergach to me). >> It has a lot of free iron (more than visible in the photographs) and few >> visible larger chondrules. >> Based on the free iron, I would not expect it to be LL like Bensour. >> Tested with a magnet, it is attracted strongly, but slightly less than >> Bassikounou an H-type chondrite. >> And last, the crust has almost no dust (fine sand) contamination, like >> Bassikounou typically has. >> >> My question is how to deal with this stone, with respect to >> classification. >> Does this stone deserve more than the standard NWA classification? >> Should for instance terrestrial age be determined? >> I would appreciate some guidance from List members who are >> (professionally) involved in meteorite research. >> >> http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/314g/314g-NWA.html >> >> Kind regards, >> Rob Lenssen >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From gmhupe at htn.net Tue Aug 18 19:10:35 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:10:35 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! References: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Message-ID: Hello "bill kies", What exactly is the purpose of wasting all of our time with your "SHAFT" rant. Completely unnecessary, and to be honest, why the am I even replying to your garbage??!! That said, do us all a favor and disappear! You have never contributed anything worthwhile to the List! Always negative crap about someone else and now some 'weed-induced' rant most likely from your watching the "Woodstock" documentary on TV last night! Give it a rest, or at least put the bong down for a week to gather your thoughts! You talk about advertising Spam from others, but it is the repetitive Delusional Spam we get from you that is 10 times worse than anything you are bitching about! If you want to get even with, "The Man", or give him the, "SHAFT", go buy Mike Farmer's eBay auctions ending today for 1 cent each!! That way you can puff up your shoulders, tell "mc" you have "SHAFT'd" him by auctions you have won from "mf" for pennies on the dollar, and then go home and watch the movie, "Romancing the Stone" to feel good about yourself and your new prizes! ...Tired of the negative cry-baby actions of one loud jerk ruining what was a nice summer afternoon!! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill kies" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > > I've never purchased from mc. I've heard many list members compliment his > prices. It's good that you can haggle with him if this is so. Point is > that he casts the bait pretty high fishing for suckers. If you're an > informed buyer and you can deal it's great, but if you're new you can get > ripped... > > Yes, it's acceptable to do business that way. Buyer beware and all that. > No, it doesn't help anyone in the longrun but mc. > I like the idea about adday although I fear it would be abused. > > I'm sure that mc is a complicated man and does understand. > > "Who's the black private dick > That's a sex machine to all the chicks? > SHAFT! > Ya damn right! > > Who is the man that would risk his neck > For his brother man? > SHAFT! > Can you dig it? > > Who's the cat that won't cop out > When there's danger all about? > SHAFT! > Right On! > > They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother > SHUT YOUR MOUTH! > I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft. > THEN WE CAN DIG IT! > > He's a complicated man > But no one understands him but his woman > JOHN SHAFT!" > > > >> From: geeg48 at msn.com >> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com >> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:21:33 -0700 >> >> >> >> >> Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you what....I wish eveyone >> dealer gave deals as good as Michael Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've >> bought off of him has been quality merchandise that other dealers would >> have charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. >> Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other small collectors) may >> this List be blessed by many more Cottingham Auctions. >> >> Regards, >> Greg Lindh >> >> >> >> >>> From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com >>> To: mikewren at gilanet.com >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 >>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! >>> >>> >>> HELLO, HELLO.... >>> >>> I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. >>> >>> >>>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 >>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS >>>> MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These >>>> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping >>>> spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most >>>> auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as >>>> many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and >>>> you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on >>>> whatever you like. >>>> >>>> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: >>>> >>>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ >>>> >>>> >>>> The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) >>>> shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I >>>> remember correctly). >>>> >>>> This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to >>>> all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email >>>> questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. >>>> I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when >>>> I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! >>>> >>>> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as >>>> possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. >>>> After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request >>>> that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will >>>> then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins >>>> before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place >>>> within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as >>>> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple >>>> and FUN. >>>> >>>> >>>> Any questions, feel free to ask. >>>> >>>> Thanks and Best Wishes >>>> >>>> Mich