From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 01:02:37 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Yet another video of Pennsylvania 6JUL09 Fireball? YES! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <868633.95453.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hey Folks. I calculated the PGH area camera LOS at 126 degrees and the meteor path is well east of that so I am not seeing a West to East path for sure and looks like back to a SE to NW track? Am I missing something? Elton From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 04:54:10 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 01:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] ITS ALMOST TIME FOR THE HUNT TO BEGIN. Message-ID: <699788.49736.qm@web46401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> A Game. Be ready. Code 1-1a 1 Treasure. 2 Reasons. 3 Goals. From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 07:14:07 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 04:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] birthday freebies/ (AD)/ 1.7 KILO stone Message-ID: <774296.84205.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hello again list. I have 9 more "openings" for freebies. 11 are taken! Come first or be last. This is my biggest freebie offering to date. I also have my 1.7 kilo stone beauty. It looks like a poor man's mill bill stone. It has a dark brownish red color and is?100% crusted. This piece is open for trade or cash/trade.Off list please. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sat Aug 1 08:26:53 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 08:26:53 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_1_2009.html __________________________ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From illaenus at wp.pl Sat Aug 1 10:07:52 2009 From: illaenus at wp.pl (Tomasz Jakubowski) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:07:52 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Ureilite, Henbury and more.. Message-ID: <4a744c384db404.49411533@wp.pl> Dear List Members, I have some meteorites for sale : - Ureilite NWA (currently under classification) 35.1 grams polished end piece (67x53 mm). It is a very fresh Ureilite with amazing olivines.(If any interest, I have more slices).Some photo (also microscopic photo) : http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/Ureilite35gEndPiece# - Henbury 517 grams, great long shape, specimen with card. http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/Henbury516G# - Bassikounou 256 grams 99% fusion crust specimen. http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/Bassikounou256g# - Juancheng 130 grams, 100% fusion crust. Rollover lips on back side. Very interesting shape. http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/Juancheng130g# - Fresh Eucrite NWA 2724, 101 gram, huge surface area (148x108 mm). Great specimen, Membrane box include. http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/NWA2724Eucrite# Any question, please write to my address illaenus at gmail.com Kind Regards Tomek Jakubowski IMCA #2321 -- Free Tibet ---------------------------------------------------- Wszystko o Mistrzostwa Europy koszykarzy EuroBasket 2009 - tego nigdzie nie znajdziesz! Kliknij: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Febasket.html&sid=817 From bristolia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 10:34:54 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 07:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Crashing Comets Not Likely The Cause Of Earth's Mass Extinctions Message-ID: <566881.50963.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Crashing Comets Not Likely The Cause Of Earth's Mass Extinctions ScienceDaily (July 31, 2009) ? Scientists have debated how many mass extinction events in Earth's history were triggered by a space body crashing into the planet's surface. Most agree that an asteroid collision 65 million years ago brought an end to the age of dinosaurs, but there is uncertainty about how many other extinctions might have resulted from asteroid or comet collisions with Earth. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090730141552.htm Kaib, N. A., and T. Quinn, 2009, Reassessing the Source of Long-Period Comets. Published online July 30 2009, Science Express Reports DOI: 10.1126/science.1172676 http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1172676 Yours Paul P.s. Additional stuff about extraterrestrial platinum can be found at: Extraterrestrial Platinum Was 'Stirred' Into Earth ScienceDaily (Aug. 1, 2009) ? A research program aimed at using platinum as an exploration guide for nickel has for the first time been able to put a time scale on the planet?s large-scale convection processes. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090731085813.htm Maier, W. D., S. J. Barnes, I. H. Campbell, M. L. Fiorentini, P. Peltonen, S.-J. Barnes, and R. H. Smithies, 2009, Progressive mixing of meteoritic veneer into the early Earth's deep mantle. Nature. vol. 460, no. 7255, pp. 62-623. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v460/n7255/full/nature08205.html From eric at meteoritesusa.com Sat Aug 1 17:37:24 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:37:24 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] 2003: Destructive Meteorites In India? Message-ID: <4A74B594.1020903@meteoritesusa.com> Does anyone remember this story? http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/09/28/india.meteorite/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3146692.stm What came of it? Regards, Eric By the way, if you aren't following me on Twitter you're missing out. http://twitter.com/MeteoritesUSA From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sat Aug 1 18:05:24 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 00:05:24 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] 2003: Destructive Meteorites In India? In-Reply-To: <4A74B594.1020903@meteoritesusa.com> References: <4A74B594.1020903@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <004901ca12f4$2c22aa70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> It's the Kendrapara, formerly also known as Orissa. An H4-5. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Meteorites USA Gesendet: Samstag, 1. August 2009 23:37 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] 2003: Destructive Meteorites In India? Does anyone remember this story? http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/09/28/india.meteorite/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3146692.stm What came of it? Regards, Eric By the way, if you aren't following me on Twitter you're missing out. http://twitter.com/MeteoritesUSA ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sat Aug 1 18:03:35 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 01 Aug 2009 22:03:35 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Orissa aka Kendrapara Message-ID: Hello List, Interestingly, Kendrapara was initially classified as an H5 chondrite but was then reclassified as an H4-5 like Martin has already posted! Cheers, Bernd From eric at meteoritesusa.com Sat Aug 1 18:35:40 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:35:40 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] 2003: Destructive Meteorites In India? In-Reply-To: <004901ca12f4$2c22aa70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <4A74B594.1020903@meteoritesusa.com> <004901ca12f4$2c22aa70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <4A74C33C.3060802@meteoritesusa.com> Thanks Martin, John! Martin Altmann wrote: > It's the Kendrapara, formerly also known as Orissa. > An H4-5. > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von > Meteorites USA > Gesendet: Samstag, 1. August 2009 23:37 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] 2003: Destructive Meteorites In India? > > Does anyone remember this story? > > http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/09/28/india.meteorite/ > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3146692.stm > > What came of it? > > Regards, > Eric > > By the way, if you aren't following me on Twitter you're missing out. > http://twitter.com/MeteoritesUSA > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From meteorites at online.nl Sat Aug 1 20:25:43 2009 From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 02:25:43 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Peekskill slice 8,59 grams on Ebay Message-ID: Dear listoids, I have a beautifull crusted Peekskill slice up on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Peekskill-Car-Smasher-meteorite-8-59-grams_W0QQitemZ170365886178QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27aa991ee2&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Also offers are welcome on Allan Hills 76009 (Antarctica), 13,4 fragment and Thiel Mountains pallasite slice, 2,4 grams (Antarctica). (only money offers, no "how much you want for it" offers, please) Greetings, Jan IMCA #9833 From geoking at notkin.net Sat Aug 1 21:37:16 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:37:16 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70065DAD-DB79-443B-96DF-E2E27D9CE4A6@notkin.net> > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_1_2009.html Dear Phillippe and Michael: What a gorgeous photo! I went on to look through the Meteoritica site, and some of Philippe's adventure photos are stunning. I highly recommend that List members make a visit to these photo albums: http://www.meteoritica.com/arabian%20sands.htm http://www.meteoritica.com/saharan%20pictures.htm Beautiful work by a very talented photographer. My compliments. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org From bristolia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 23:30:10 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Articles on Geology.com Web Site Message-ID: <588423.44681.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What Are Meteorites http://geology.com/meteorites/ Meteorite Types and Classification http://geology.com/meteorites/meteorite-types-and-classification.shtml Meteorite Identification http://geology.com/meteorites/meteorite-identification.shtml How Much Are Meteorites Worth? http://geology.com/meteorites/value-of-meteorites.shtml Iron Meteorites http://geology.com/meteorites/iron-meteorites.shtml and others listed at the bottom of http://geology.com/meteorites/ Yours, Paul H. From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 01:42:26 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 00:42:26 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sale Meteorites listed on ebay:Lake Murray 8.3 gms, Hope Creek from Alaska with crust, Miles 4.11 grams, from Australia , Uvalde from Texas, and Dimmitt from Texas, NWA 982 a nice AHOW Message-ID: Hello fellow Meteorite Collectors, How are you? I hope you're having a great weekend and having great weather! I listed a few meteorites on ebay tonight and there are a few ending on Monday. Please have a look if you like or have time. Hope Creek from Alaska with crust, Miles 4.11 grams, from Australia , Uvalde from Texas, and Dimmitt from Texas, NWA 982 a nice AHOW - Achondrite Howardite and Long Island from Kansas and Overland Park from Kansas and LAKE MURRAY Meteorite 8.3g COA IMCA IIAB VERY RARE NICE RARELY AVAILABLE IIAB OCTAHEDRITE OLDEST KNOWN INTACT Please have a look at my ebay seller's page by clicking the link here. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/searchingforfun_ Happy hunting and clear skies! Have a great rest of the weekend! Brian From thomasmeteorites at wanadoo.fr Sun Aug 2 02:06:36 2009 From: thomasmeteorites at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Thomas) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:06:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [meteorite-list] =?utf-8?q?R=C3=A9p_=3A__Rocks_from_Space_Picture?= =?utf-8?q?_of_the_Day_-_August_1=2C_2009?= Message-ID: <16990618.115829.1249193196011.JavaMail.www@wwinf1e18> Geoff, I can make you the same compliments. Thank you very much, Philippe http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_1_2009.html Dear Phillippe and Michael: What a gorgeous photo! I went on to look through the Meteoritica site, and some of Philippe's adventure photos are stunning. I highly recommend that List members make a visit to these photo albums: http://www.meteoritica.com/arabian%20sands.htm http://www.meteoritica.com/saharan%20pictures.htm Beautiful work by a very talented photographer. My compliments. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org From erikfwebb at msn.com Sun Aug 2 03:08:14 2009 From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 00:08:14 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 In-Reply-To: <70065DAD-DB79-443B-96DF-E2E27D9CE4A6@notkin.net> References: <70065DAD-DB79-443B-96DF-E2E27D9CE4A6@notkin.net> Message-ID: I agree Geoff, those are some awesome pictures! I hope i can get to hunt in some wild places like that some day. I have a lot of good shots I've taken while meteorite hunting. Most are in my monochromatic album. http://gallery.me.com/eriksunvalleyphoto/100006 happy hunting! [Erik] ---------------------------------------- > From: geoking at notkin.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:37:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 > >> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_1_2009.html > > > Dear Phillippe and Michael: > > What a gorgeous photo! I went on to look through the Meteoritica site, > and some of Philippe's adventure photos are stunning. I highly > recommend that List members make a visit to these photo albums: > > http://www.meteoritica.com/arabian%20sands.htm > > http://www.meteoritica.com/saharan%20pictures.htm > > > Beautiful work by a very talented photographer. My compliments. > > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 08:45:14 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 05:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] ITS ALMOST TIME FOR THE HUNT TO BEGIN. In-Reply-To: <699788.49736.qm@web46401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <153075.81352.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> To find the treasure, you will need to follow a series of clues. --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Greg Catterton wrote: > From: Greg Catterton > Subject: [meteorite-list] ITS ALMOST TIME FOR THE HUNT TO BEGIN. > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 4:54 AM > > A Game. > > Be ready. > > Code 1-1a > > 1 Treasure. > > 2 Reasons. > > 3 Goals. > > > > > > ? ? ? > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mpg4444 at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 10:51:48 2009 From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:51:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? Message-ID: Hello- Not sure if any of you were following (or possibly won) this ebay auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/Unclassified-meteorite-242-2-g-Salt-Fork-State-Park_W0QQitemZ320404111590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9992c0e6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 I was very surprised to see it sold for $33 (started at $9.99) after (5) bids. I have to admit I watched it since I live maybe 50 miles from where it was found and have been to the area often. I know chances are extremely minimal this is really a meteorite- but somebody is really placing their bets on it. The descriptive paragraph has many errors and assumptions. For a meteorite to survive in Ohio damp ground, yet be found it that condition, would be nearly impossible. I would appreciate other's opinions, and if one of you were the buyer- let us know what you received! Thank You Mike G.. From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 11:09:22 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:09:22 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow, I need to start selling magnetite and slag. Alot of that stuff is selling lately on eBay. On 8/2/09, Michael Groetz wrote: > Hello- > Not sure if any of you were following (or possibly won) this ebay > auction: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Unclassified-meteorite-242-2-g-Salt-Fork-State-Park_W0QQitemZ320404111590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9992c0e6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 > > I was very surprised to see it sold for $33 (started at $9.99) > after (5) bids. I have to admit I watched it since I live maybe 50 > miles from where it was found and have been to the area often. > I know chances are extremely minimal this is really a meteorite- > but somebody is really placing their bets on it. The descriptive > paragraph has many errors and assumptions. For a meteorite to survive > in Ohio damp ground, yet be found it that condition, would be nearly > impossible. > I would appreciate other's opinions, and if one of you were the > buyer- let us know what you received! > Thank You > Mike G.. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From cynapse at charter.net Sun Aug 2 12:38:02 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:38:02 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] ITS ALMOST TIME FOR THE HUNT TO BEGIN. In-Reply-To: <153075.81352.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <699788.49736.qm@web46401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <153075.81352.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 05:45:14 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >To find the treasure, you will need to follow a series of clues. > "The crypto-key to this section is engraved on a pyramid on the third moon of the second planet of Epsilon Eridani." (Hopefully more than just Sterling will get that reference.) From prairiecactus at rtcol.com Sun Aug 2 12:01:07 2009 From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com (Phil Whitmer) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:01:07 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? Message-ID: <9A2A20C6CB9F42A89D726FA5007F7A0F@whitmerjbqtim1> What I like about meteorwrong eBay auctions, aside from the atrocious spelling, are the out of focus, poorly lit photos. The descriptions are generally pretty funny too. Phil Whitmer From countdeiro at earthlink.net Sun Aug 2 12:43:01 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:43:01 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? Message-ID: <16106254.1249231381734.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Phil and List, I think you could post pictures of a burnt chesseburger on eBay and get a 100.00 for it. Count Deiro -----Original Message----- >From: Phil Whitmer >Sent: Aug 2, 2009 9:01 AM >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? > > What I like about meteorwrong eBay auctions, aside from the atrocious >spelling, are the out of focus, poorly lit photos. The descriptions are >generally pretty funny too. > >Phil Whitmer > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 13:10:38 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? In-Reply-To: <16106254.1249231381734.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <512342.54582.qm@web46408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > I think you could post pictures of a burnt chesseburger on > eBay and get a 100.00 for it. If it looked like virgin Mary, you might get $100,000.... I heard William Shatner wanted to sell his kidney stone for Charity on ebay. Greg C. --- On Sun, 8/2/09, countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote: > From: countdeiro at earthlink.net > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? > To: "Phil Whitmer" , meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 12:43 PM > Hi Phil and List, > > I think you could post pictures of a burnt chesseburger on > eBay and get a 100.00 for it. > > Count Deiro > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Phil Whitmer > >Sent: Aug 2, 2009 9:01 AM > >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible > Meteorite? > > > > What I like about meteorwrong eBay auctions, aside > from the atrocious > >spelling,? are the out of focus, poorly lit > photos. The descriptions are > >generally pretty funny too. > > > >Phil Whitmer > > > >______________________________________________ > >http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From fujmon at mac.com Sun Aug 2 12:19:08 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 06:19:08 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? In-Reply-To: <9A2A20C6CB9F42A89D726FA5007F7A0F@whitmerjbqtim1> References: <9A2A20C6CB9F42A89D726FA5007F7A0F@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: I'd have to agree with Phil here. The meteorwrong listings on eBay do provide some humorous diversion when trolling for potential acquisitions. But that listing Michael Groetz posted earlier has to take the award as the one with the most atroshus speeling an grammer. ;^) On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:01 AM, Phil Whitmer wrote: > What I like about meteorwrong eBay auctions, aside from the > atrocious spelling, are the out of focus, poorly lit photos. The > descriptions are generally pretty funny too. > > Phil Whitmer > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Sun Aug 2 13:40:38 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:40:38 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike/All: I asked the seller a question whether it was magnetic and he responded: "I have checked it with a regular magnet, and it seems like it may be slightly magnetic...But I don't have a rare earth magnet, just a refrig, mag...And I have other classifide meteorites that are hardly magnetic at all..... I hope this helps you. Thanks for asking" Interesting that he has other meteorites. It's hard to tell from the photo, thus is a good meteowrong. My guess would be a Hemetite. Is there Iron Oxides in the region of Ohio? Greg S ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:51:48 -0400 > From: mpg4444 at gmail.com > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? > > Hello- > Not sure if any of you were following (or possibly won) this ebay auction: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Unclassified-meteorite-242-2-g-Salt-Fork-State-Park_W0QQitemZ320404111590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9992c0e6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 > > I was very surprised to see it sold for $33 (started at $9.99) > after (5) bids. I have to admit I watched it since I live maybe 50 > miles from where it was found and have been to the area often. > I know chances are extremely minimal this is really a meteorite- > but somebody is really placing their bets on it. The descriptive > paragraph has many errors and assumptions. For a meteorite to survive > in Ohio damp ground, yet be found it that condition, would be nearly > impossible. > I would appreciate other's opinions, and if one of you were the > buyer- let us know what you received! > Thank You > Mike G.. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM From countdeiro at earthlink.net Sun Aug 2 14:10:25 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:10:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? Message-ID: <2719315.1249236625772.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Greg, Mike, List, I looked at the bidding record for this whatever and the half dozen participants in the auction ALL have hundreds of purchases of ..not just bid on, but won...meteorites and tektites. Lotta gamblers out there. I've already burnt a loaf a bread trying to get an image of Obama...contrast problem...:) Count Deiro -----Original Message----- >From: Greg Stanley >Sent: Aug 2, 2009 10:40 AM >To: mpg4444 at gmail.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? > > > >Mike/All: > >I asked the seller a question whether it was magnetic and he responded: > >"I >have checked it with a regular magnet, and it seems like it may be >slightly magnetic...But I don't have a rare earth magnet, just a >refrig, mag...And I have other classifide meteorites that are hardly >magnetic at all..... I hope this helps you. Thanks for asking" > >Interesting that he has other meteorites. It's hard to tell from the photo, thus is a good meteowrong. My guess would be a Hemetite. > >Is there Iron Oxides in the region of Ohio? > >Greg S > >---------------------------------------- >> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:51:48 -0400 >> From: mpg4444 at gmail.com >> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? >> >> Hello- >> Not sure if any of you were following (or possibly won) this ebay auction: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Unclassified-meteorite-242-2-g-Salt-Fork-State-Park_W0QQitemZ320404111590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9992c0e6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 >> >> I was very surprised to see it sold for $33 (started at $9.99) >> after (5) bids. I have to admit I watched it since I live maybe 50 >> miles from where it was found and have been to the area often. >> I know chances are extremely minimal this is really a meteorite- >> but somebody is really placing their bets on it. The descriptive >> paragraph has many errors and assumptions. For a meteorite to survive >> in Ohio damp ground, yet be found it that condition, would be nearly >> impossible. >> I would appreciate other's opinions, and if one of you were the >> buyer- let us know what you received! >> Thank You >> Mike G.. >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your vacation photos on your phone! >http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Sun Aug 2 14:11:36 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:11:36 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mineral Luster in Achondites Message-ID: All: I have a question to the List: this is based on a number of meteorites I have purchased, which include the achondrites. I have noticed that the mineral components (Olivine, Pyroxene and other crystals) in some of my achondrites have a very adamantine luster in the mineral components. When I compare them to other 'earth' rocks, the luster is not the same. To me there is a stricking difference. Has anyone else noticed this? If so, could this perhaps aid in spotting an achondrite (some kinds) that have undergone weathering and have no fusion crust. I have found many chondrites, and feel that there could be achondrites out there too, but they are being overlooked. If the luster is different in 'space rocks' then what could cause this? Much Thanks, Greg S. _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Sun Aug 2 15:21:03 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:21:03 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 In-Reply-To: <70065DAD-DB79-443B-96DF-E2E27D9CE4A6@notkin.net> References: <70065DAD-DB79-443B-96DF-E2E27D9CE4A6@notkin.net> Message-ID: Geoff: Very nice - beautiful photos. Very interesting wildlife. Thanks for sharing. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > From: geoking at notkin.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:37:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 > >> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_1_2009.html > > > Dear Phillippe and Michael: > > What a gorgeous photo! I went on to look through the Meteoritica site, > and some of Philippe's adventure photos are stunning. I highly > recommend that List members make a visit to these photo albums: > > http://www.meteoritica.com/arabian%20sands.htm > > http://www.meteoritica.com/saharan%20pictures.htm > > > Beautiful work by a very talented photographer. My compliments. > > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From geoking at notkin.net Sun Aug 2 16:00:39 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:00:39 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Articles on Geology.com Web Site In-Reply-To: <588423.44681.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <588423.44681.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Paul wrote: > What Are Meteorites > > http://geology.com/meteorites/ Dear Paul: Thank you kindly for posting links to my meteorite articles on Geology.com. Dr. Hobart King and I devised "Meteorwritings" as an entry-level/mid- level column aimed at introducing a wider geology and general science audience to our favorite subject. Geology.com is one of the world's top science sites with tremendous daily traffic, so I hope we have a few new converts : ) The first ten articles were published on a monthly schedule. We recently went to a quarterly format in order to increase the longevity of each piece, and to give us a little more time to prepare new features. For every installment we take new, original photos that, hopefully, well illustrate the featured topic for that month. Meteorite List members Leigh Anne DelRay and Suzanne Morrison have both contributed excellent photographs to the column. The beautiful "Meteorwritings" fireball and constellation title banner was created by accomplished Tucson illustrator Tim Arbon, who also designed the new Art Deco-inspired Aerolite Meteorites logo: http://www.aerolite.org/ We plan to continue "Meteorwritings" indefinitely. The next episode will be published on October 1, 2009. I hope you found the articles enjoyable, and if you or any other List members have suggestions for future "Meteorwritings" topics, please let me know. And thanks for reading! Respectfully, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 16:04:57 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:04:57 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Articles on Geology.com Web Site In-Reply-To: References: <588423.44681.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't know if the subject matter is appropriate for the Geology.com series of articles, but I would love to see an informative article about getting meteorites classified - where it is done, what tests are done, what equipment is used, how are pairings determined, and then how the meteorites goes from classification to publication in the Met Bulletin. So far, I have never seen an article of this nature anywhere on the web. Best regards, MikeG On 8/2/09, Notkin wrote: > Paul wrote: > >> What Are Meteorites >> >> http://geology.com/meteorites/ > > > Dear Paul: > > Thank you kindly for posting links to my meteorite articles on > Geology.com. > > Dr. Hobart King and I devised "Meteorwritings" as an entry-level/mid- > level column aimed at introducing a wider geology and general science > audience to our favorite subject. Geology.com is one of the world's > top science sites with tremendous daily traffic, so I hope we have a > few new converts : ) > > The first ten articles were published on a monthly schedule. We > recently went to a quarterly format in order to increase the longevity > of each piece, and to give us a little more time to prepare new > features. For every installment we take new, original photos that, > hopefully, well illustrate the featured topic for that month. > Meteorite List members Leigh Anne DelRay and Suzanne Morrison have > both contributed excellent photographs to the column. The beautiful > "Meteorwritings" fireball and constellation title banner was created > by accomplished Tucson illustrator Tim Arbon, who also designed the > new Art Deco-inspired Aerolite Meteorites logo: > > http://www.aerolite.org/ > > We plan to continue "Meteorwritings" indefinitely. The next episode > will be published on October 1, 2009. I hope you found the articles > enjoyable, and if you or any other List members have suggestions for > future "Meteorwritings" topics, please let me know. And thanks for > reading! > > > Respectfully, > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 2 16:54:18 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:54:18 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sale auctions on ebay NWA 753/Kem Kem, Hope Creek, Wagon Mound, NWA 982- Nice AHOW, Message-ID: Hello fellow Meteorite Collectors, Sorry for the email, someone wrote me from the list saying the link didn't work to my seller's page and asked if I put it through again to the list. My apologies. Brian http://shop.ebay.com/searchingforfun/m.html How are you? I hope you're having a great weekend and having great weather! I listed a few meteorites on ebay tonight and there are a few ending on Monday. Please have a look if you like or have time. NWA 753 sometimes referred to pseudonym Kem Kem 19.71 grams, Very large and hard to find in this size specimen Hope Creek from Alaska with crust, Miles 4.11 grams, from Australia , Uvalde from Texas, and Dimmitt from Texas, Kaufman from Texas, Dawn (a) Texas NWA 982 a nice AHOW - Achondrite Howardite Long Island from Kansas and Overland Park from Kansas Wagon Mound from New Mexico Canyon Diablo from Arizona Please have a look at my ebay seller's page by clicking the link here. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/searchingforfun_ Happy hunting and clear skies! Have a great rest of the weekend! Brian searchingforfun is my ebay User Id IMCA # 6387 From cynapse at charter.net Sun Aug 2 18:56:10 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:56:10 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Make your own meteorite! Or at least meteor. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://spacefellowship.com/2009/08/01/interorbital-syatems-tubesat-personal-satellite-kit/ From pshugar at clearwire.net Sun Aug 2 17:53:15 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:53:15 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? Message-ID: Anybody have a look at this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360161621595&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT I gotta wonder because he states that it is not white inside. BUT, his customers are all HAPPY? What's the posibility this is another older fall in the same general area as West-Ash Creek fall. Pete IMCA 1733 From cdtucson at cox.net Sat Aug 1 20:19:29 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:19:29 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Cockpitviewofshuttlelanding Message-ID: <20090801201929.5FXVB.580347.imail@fed1rmwml46> Very Cool. Enjoy the ride. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4119762308100069754 -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax From cdtucson at cox.net Sun Aug 2 12:39:19 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 9:39:19 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090802123919.3LJA0.583399.imail@fed1rmwml43> Michael, It does look like a possible meteorite. I like the flow lines in the third photo but $33.00 more than I would risk to find out unless they showed the filed area. In future if I were you I would ask for a nickel test and a density test. This is THE easiest test to do. Simply need a scale and some water. If it is just magnetite the bulk density will be around 5. if iron meteorite it will be around 7-8. Big difference for my $33.00 gamble. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- Michael Groetz wrote: > Hello- > Not sure if any of you were following (or possibly won) this ebay auction: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Unclassified-meteorite-242-2-g-Salt-Fork-State-Park_W0QQitemZ320404111590QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9992c0e6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 > > I was very surprised to see it sold for $33 (started at $9.99) > after (5) bids. I have to admit I watched it since I live maybe 50 > miles from where it was found and have been to the area often. > I know chances are extremely minimal this is really a meteorite- > but somebody is really placing their bets on it. The descriptive > paragraph has many errors and assumptions. For a meteorite to survive > in Ohio damp ground, yet be found it that condition, would be nearly > impossible. > I would appreciate other's opinions, and if one of you were the > buyer- let us know what you received! > Thank You > Mike G.. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From eric at meteoritesusa.com Sun Aug 2 19:34:11 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:34:11 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Must Sell - Personal Collection Pieces Too Message-ID: <4A762273.8050709@meteoritesusa.com> Hi List, In light of the current economic weather we're combining EVERYTHING we have listed right now on Ebay and our website and putting a BUY ALL price on it. Some of these pieces are from our personal collection. Pieces we really don't want to let go, but we must. --------------------------------------- This is a take all deal... $1199 For ALL our Ebay Items (plus the items below) http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/freel3orn (This deal excludes items with current bids) *** I will subtract from the purchase price according to what sells individually. Plus You Get EVERYTHING on this page too... http://www.meteoritesusa.com/special.htm (Shipped Free In The USA) International customers I will ship according to actual rates charged us by USPS. ---------------------------------------- Paypal payment or bank transfer only. I will ship first thing tomorrow. All reasonable offers will be considered. Contact me off-list or call me for more info or offers: 904-236-5394 Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 20:16:11 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:16:11 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This guy has been selling a wide variety of assorted fakes over the last 2+ years. He occasionally sells a real meteorite to make things interesting. But the majority of his specimens are dubious at best - including some bogus lunaites. I seriously doubt these are West meteorites, or meteorites at all. If his customers are happy, then someone please tell them that I have some swampland available at discount. ;) On 8/2/09, Pete Shugar wrote: > Anybody have a look at this? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360161621595&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > > I gotta wonder because he states that it is not white inside. > BUT, his customers are all HAPPY? > What's the posibility this is another older fall in the same general area as > West-Ash Creek fall. > Pete IMCA 1733 > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From cynapse at charter.net Sun Aug 2 21:55:33 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:55:33 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:16:11 -0400, you wrote: >including some bogus lunaites. I seriously doubt these are West >meteorites, or meteorites at all. If his customers are happy, then >someone please tell them that I have some swampland available at >discount. ;) Hey, I hear that those boggy creeks are great places for finding lunites. From magbish3 at lowcountry.com Sun Aug 2 20:50:26 2009 From: magbish3 at lowcountry.com (Mal Bishop) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:50:26 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] test Message-ID: <4A763452.6090200@lowcountry.com> test...ignore. Mal From magbish3 at lowcountry.com Sun Aug 2 20:35:42 2009 From: magbish3 at lowcountry.com (Mal Bishop) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:35:42 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] *** AD *** Large, Gorgeous Campo del Cielo Iron with coin, display case and more Message-ID: <4A7630DE.8080807@lowcountry.com> A month ago I offered up for sell a 10,820g Campo del Cielo iron to the list. Although I had a few bites, in the end nothing gelled; therefore, I'll try one more time. Again, it's a 10.82kg ( approximately 24 pounds) Campo of AAA quality with deep pits, nice regmaglypts overall, and just a nicely sculpted piece. It is a very exquisite example of Campo and very, very stable! Campos this nice seem to lean more to the rare side of the scale, and those that know me and have purchased from me in the past know I don't lightly suggest something is nice, or exquisite unless it were so. I will include along with the Campo del Cielo meteorite a Campo commemorative coin/medallion (numbered), a handsome display case with a wood/acrylic base and acrylic cover, an iron meteorite element set showing examples of the 5 main elements which make up a typical iron meteorite, and 2 limited edition Campo del Cielo 3-D stamps (including 3-D glasses) printed/ issued in Buenos Aires, Argentina in their unopened shrink wrapped packaging . ... and of course, I'll also include the meteorite display info card and the 8.5 x 11 inch COA (certificate of authenticity) issued by the dealer I purchased it from a couple of years ago. BTW, the COA is gorgeous as well and very suitable for framing! I was asking $1800 for all of the items listed above which did not include the cost of shipping or insurance. However, I'm lowering the asking price to $1700, and I'm offering to pay the postage and insurance within the United States -- if someone internationally wants it, we'll have to discuss the shipping costs and come to some mutual agreement since shipping overseas costs much more than if shipping within the USA. I initially paid $2100 for the rock alone . The case and coin together were around another $150, the element set another $40 ...so all told this is basically a deal that cost me over $2300 when all totaled with shipping costs, etc. which someone can now have for $1700 total and complete (I believe in full disclosure -- not trying to make a profit, just pay bills) ! This is a steal of a deal -- I don't understand why really nice Campos don't seem to get the respect and admiration I feel they deserve! I'll send photos to anyone SERIOUSLY interested in talking deal. I can easily say this is one of my more favorite irons I've had in my collection since I started collecting in 1994. I wouldn't even be considering the selling of it (and now I'm basically letting it go for a song and dance especially with all of the extra goodies I'm offering with it) if it weren't for being out of work and mounting debt, etc.! Believe me, whosoever is the new owner of this piece will be more than highly satisfied and I think very proud to call it their own as they proudly put it up for display!!! Regards to all, Mal P.S. I may be slow in responding to any inquires for I have to step out for a bit, but be assured I'll answer emails in the order I receive them! From magbish3 at lowcountry.com Sun Aug 2 20:54:47 2009 From: magbish3 at lowcountry.com (Mal Bishop) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:54:47 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] *** AD *** Large, Gorgeous Campo del Cielo Iron with coin, display case and more Message-ID: <4A763557.9060202@lowcountry.com> A month ago I offered up for sell a 10,820g Campo del Cielo iron to the list. Although I had a few bites, in the end nothing gelled; therefore, I'll try one more time. Again, it's a 10.82kg ( approximately 24 pounds) Campo of AAA quality with deep pits, nice regmaglypts overall, and just a nicely sculpted piece. It is a very exquisite example of Campo and very, very stable! Campos this nice seem to lean more to the rare side of the scale, and those that know me and have purchased from me in the past know I don't lightly suggest something is nice, or exquisite unless it were so. I will include along with the Campo del Cielo meteorite a Campo commemorative coin/medallion (numbered), a handsome display case with a wood/acrylic base and acrylic cover, an iron meteorite element set showing examples of the 5 main elements which make up a typical iron meteorite, and 2 limited edition Campo del Cielo 3-D stamps (including 3-D glasses) printed/ issued in Buenos Aires, Argentina in their unopened shrink wrapped packaging . ... and of course, I'll also include the meteorite display info card and the 8.5 x 11 inch COA (certificate of authenticity) issued by the dealer I purchased it from a couple of years ago. BTW, the COA is gorgeous as well and very suitable for framing! I was asking $1800 for all of the items listed above which did not include the cost of shipping or insurance. However, I'm lowering the asking price to $1700, and I'm offering to pay the postage and insurance within the United States -- if someone internationally wants it, we'll have to discuss the shipping costs and come to some mutual agreement since shipping overseas costs much more than if shipping within the USA. I initially paid $2100 for the rock alone . The case and coin together were around another $150, the element set another $40 ...so all told this is basically a deal that cost me over $2300 when all totaled with shipping costs, etc. which someone can now have for $1700 total and complete (I believe in full disclosure -- not trying to make a profit, just pay bills) ! This is a steal of a deal -- I don't understand why really nice Campos don't seem to get the respect and admiration I feel they deserve! I'll send photos to anyone SERIOUSLY interested in talking deal. I can easily say this is one of my more favorite irons I've had in my collection since I started collecting in 1994. I wouldn't even be considering the selling of it (and now I'm basically letting it go for a song and dance especially with all of the extra goodies I'm offering with it) if it weren't for being out of work and mounting debt, etc.! Believe me, whosoever is the new owner of this piece will be more than highly satisfied and I think very proud to call it their own as they proudly put it up for display!!! Regards to all, Mal P.S. I may be slow in responding to any inquires for I have to step out for a bit, but be assured I'll answer emails in the order I receive them! From prairiecactus at rtcol.com Sun Aug 2 22:30:18 2009 From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com (Phil Whitmer) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:30:18 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? Message-ID: <0BCC9E1C84DA4448B26DE716A9BD42E1@whitmerjbqtim1> He tells you in the description what it is: it's a varnished hematite/limonite concretion, which are common in that area. Phil Whitmer From mlblood at cox.net Sun Aug 2 23:19:45 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:19:45 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? In-Reply-To: <512342.54582.qm@web46408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Woe is me, LONG before eBay - or the internet, or home computers or the like (in my mid 30s?) I had a chance to get a rectal thermometer WITH A Notarized statement from a registered nurse stating it had been used To take the temperature of Elvis Presley...... Price? $20!!!!!!! Can you imagine what I would get for that sucker on eBay today????? Alas and alack, Michael On 8/2/09 10:10 AM, "Greg Catterton" wrote: > >> I think you could post pictures of a burnt chesseburger on >> eBay and get a 100.00 for it. > > If it looked like virgin Mary, you might get $100,000.... > I heard William Shatner wanted to sell his kidney stone for Charity on ebay. > > > Greg C. > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/2/09, countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote: > >> From: countdeiro at earthlink.net >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible Meteorite? >> To: "Phil Whitmer" , >> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 12:43 PM >> Hi Phil and List, >> >> I think you could post pictures of a burnt chesseburger on >> eBay and get a 100.00 for it. >> >> Count Deiro >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Phil Whitmer >>> Sent: Aug 2, 2009 9:01 AM >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity- Possible >> Meteorite? >>> >>> What I like about meteorwrong eBay auctions, aside >> from the atrocious >>> spelling,? are the out of focus, poorly lit >> photos. The descriptions are >>> generally pretty funny too. >>> >>> Phil Whitmer >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From anitawestlake at att.net Mon Aug 3 10:21:11 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 In-Reply-To: References: <70065DAD-DB79-443B-96DF-E2E27D9CE4A6@notkin.net> Message-ID: <355277.91527.qm@web83804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The camels at the "litter trough" were amazing! Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: Greg Stanley To: geoking at notkin.net; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 3:21:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 Geoff: Very nice - beautiful photos.? Very interesting wildlife. Thanks for sharing. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > From: geoking at notkin.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:37:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2009 > >> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_1_2009.html > > > Dear Phillippe and Michael: > > What a gorgeous photo! I went on to look through the Meteoritica site, > and some of Philippe's adventure photos are stunning. I highly > recommend that List members make a visit to these photo albums: > > http://www.meteoritica.com/arabian%20sands.htm > > http://www.meteoritica.com/saharan%20pictures.htm > > > Beautiful work by a very talented photographer. My compliments. > > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From raremeteorites at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 12:46:36 2009 From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Take A Look - Steals! Message-ID: <807623.20598.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear List Members, Finds from the Sahara Desert continue to decline sharply, maybe representing 1/10th of peak. Like any market, the lack of new supply will surely drive up prices. Large stockpiles are now nearly exhausted and meteorites are not a readily renewable resource or a commodity. The desert gold rush is definitely over! This is not a scare tactic, merely the truth. A few rarities will continue to be found but the trend is definitely not in our favor. I have many great auctions due to end this afternoon and tomorrow so take a look if you are interested in some rarities and bargains. There are several items that have not been bid on yet so now may be a great opportunity to get a steal legally. There are even a couple of items worth around a $1,000.00 started at just 99 cents. I cannot afford to keep doing this month after month as these items can never be replaced. Click on this link to see some outstanding auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, ------------------------------------ Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteorites at yahoo.com From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Mon Aug 3 14:17:21 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:17:21 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Make your own meteorite! Or at least meteor. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is funny, Reminds me when we would put Tadpoles in the payload section of the Estes rockets back in the '70s... we were kids then. I really like the On-orbit Advertising idea. Greg S ---------------------------------------- > From: cynapse at charter.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:56:10 -0500 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Make your own meteorite! Or at least meteor. > > http://spacefellowship.com/2009/08/01/interorbital-syatems-tubesat-personal-satellite-kit/ > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From fujmon at mac.com Mon Aug 3 17:50:32 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:50:32 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? Message-ID: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> Aloha, In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 18:07:13 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:07:13 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? In-Reply-To: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> References: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> Message-ID: Good eye Gary. :) This is a perfect of example of how UNWA material can benefit the collector (to learn more about meteoritics). Also, material such as this may present something interesting and new to science. Who knows what discoveries await hidden away inside UNWA stones. Keep us posted on the results. :) On 8/3/09, Gary Fujihara wrote: > Aloha, > > In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a > peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the > meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature > to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is > euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical > feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like > this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? > > I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping > someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. > > http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Mon Aug 3 18:45:41 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:45:41 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? In-Reply-To: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> References: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> Message-ID: Gary: That is an amazing specimen. My first thought would be a plagioclase, but I noticed in the video that at one angle it looked greenish; perhaps some kind of orthopyroxene that is exhibiting iridescence. Please let us know when you get the test results. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > From: fujmon at mac.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:50:32 -1000 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? > > Aloha, > > In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a > peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the > meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature > to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is > euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical > feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like > this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? > > I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping > someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. > > http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 18:54:04 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:54:04 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? In-Reply-To: References: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> Message-ID: What really strikes me about this possible lodranite is how closely it resembles a H6 or H7 chondrite. I've had a couple of UNWA stones that look alot like this lodranite, but I never paid them much mind because they didn't obviously look interesting - like some achondrites do or a type loaded with chondrules. I wonder if I've accidentally let something like this slip by.... Best regards, MikeG On 8/3/09, Greg Stanley wrote: > > Gary: > > That is an amazing specimen. My first thought would be a plagioclase, but I > noticed in the video that at one angle it looked greenish; perhaps some kind > of orthopyroxene that is exhibiting iridescence. > > Please let us know when you get the test results. > > Greg S. > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: fujmon at mac.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:50:32 -1000 >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? >> >> Aloha, >> >> In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a >> peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the >> meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature >> to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is >> euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical >> feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like >> this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? >> >> I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping >> someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. >> >> http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html >> >> Gary Fujihara >> AstroDay Institute >> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >> http://astroday.net >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From nuuska at dlc.fi Mon Aug 3 18:55:32 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:55:32 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? In-Reply-To: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> References: <07F77E4B-FC2E-49EE-94D4-DB8F37E66B51@mac.com> Message-ID: <4A776AE4.4070103@dlc.fi> To me the form of the crystal looks like typical plagioglace feldspar, (labradorite), (anorthosite + albite), /N//a/(/A//l//S//i/3/O/8)/C//a/(/A/12/S//i/208). You can find some pics of the crystals of finnish iridecent labradorite (Spectrolite) from; http://www.finnishspectrolite.com/finlang/galleria/kuvat/spektroliitti012.html Just my 2 cents, please, let us know, what it really is, when have the piece analyzed :-) best, pekka s Gary Fujihara kirjoitti: > Aloha, > > In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a > peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the > meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature > to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is > euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical > feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like > this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? > > I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping > someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. > > http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2279 - Release Date: 08/03/09 05:57:00 > > -- Pekka Savolainen Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Rasala FINLAND member of IMCA #5776 www.imca.cc From countdeiro at earthlink.net Mon Aug 3 20:29:20 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:29:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? Message-ID: <11116596.1249345760683.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dear Pekka and List, Your 2 cents worth makes one wonder what ten cents worth would have brought to the eyes! What an extraordinary group of specimens! The variety and beauty of the crystals is so overwhelming that I, for one, will try to collect as much of this material as I can afford.. With admiration and thanks, Count Deiro -----Original Message----- >From: Pekka Savolainen >Sent: Aug 3, 2009 3:55 PM >To: Gary Fujihara >Cc: MeteorList >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? > > >To me the form of the crystal looks like typical plagioglace feldspar, >(labradorite), (anorthosite + albite), >/N//a/(/A//l//S//i/3/O/8)/C//a/(/A/12/S//i/208). > >You can find some pics of the crystals of finnish iridecent labradorite >(Spectrolite) from; > >http://www.finnishspectrolite.com/finlang/galleria/kuvat/spektroliitti012.html > > >Just my 2 cents, please, let us know, what it really is, when have the piece >analyzed :-) > >best, > >pekka s > > > > >Gary Fujihara kirjoitti: >> Aloha, >> >> In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a >> peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the >> meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature >> to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is >> euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical >> feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like >> this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? >> >> I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping >> someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. >> >> http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html >> >> Gary Fujihara >> AstroDay Institute >> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >> http://astroday.net >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2279 - Release Date: 08/03/09 05:57:00 >> >> > > >-- > > >Pekka Savolainen > >Solar Gems > >Jokiharjuntie 4 >FI-71330 >Rasala >FINLAND > >member of IMCA #5776 > >www.imca.cc > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 3 20:58:30 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:58:30 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? In-Reply-To: <11116596.1249345760683.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11116596.1249345760683.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Spectrolite is quite beautiful. :) I've always wanted to put some in my rock tumbler. Best regards, MikeG On 8/3/09, countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote: > Dear Pekka and List, > > Your 2 cents worth makes one wonder what ten cents worth would have brought > to the eyes! What an extraordinary group of specimens! The variety and > beauty of the crystals is so overwhelming that I, for one, will try to > collect as much of this material as I can afford.. > > With admiration and thanks, > > Count Deiro > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Pekka Savolainen >>Sent: Aug 3, 2009 3:55 PM >>To: Gary Fujihara >>Cc: MeteorList >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is >> it? >> >> >>To me the form of the crystal looks like typical plagioglace feldspar, >>(labradorite), (anorthosite + albite), >>/N//a/(/A//l//S//i/3/O/8)/C//a/(/A/12/S//i/208). >> >>You can find some pics of the crystals of finnish iridecent labradorite >>(Spectrolite) from; >> >>http://www.finnishspectrolite.com/finlang/galleria/kuvat/spektroliitti012.html >> >> >>Just my 2 cents, please, let us know, what it really is, when have the >> piece >>analyzed :-) >> >>best, >> >>pekka s >> >> >> >> >>Gary Fujihara kirjoitti: >>> Aloha, >>> >>> In a suspected lodranite recently procured from Morocco, I noticed a >>> peculiar large, iridescent crystal in the broken face of the >>> meteorite. I contacted some people on the metlist about this feature >>> to get their thoughts, and Bernd Pauli has opined that the crystal is >>> euhedral, iridescent and has the crystalline form of typical >>> feldspars. But I have never seen a plagioclase feldspar look like >>> this. Or is this some kind of iridescent olivine crystal? Or ??? >>> >>> I am getting this specimen analyzed, but until then, I am hoping >>> someone on the metlist has seen, and can identify this curious crystal. >>> >>> http://astroday.net/Meteorites.html >>> >>> Gary Fujihara >>> AstroDay Institute >>> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >>> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >>> http://astroday.net >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2279 - Release Date: >>> 08/03/09 05:57:00 >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >> >> >>Pekka Savolainen >> >>Solar Gems >> >>Jokiharjuntie 4 >>FI-71330 >>Rasala >>FINLAND >> >>member of IMCA #5776 >> >>www.imca.cc >> >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From edeckert at triad.rr.com Mon Aug 3 22:15:02 2009 From: edeckert at triad.rr.com (Ed Deckert) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:15:02 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Make your own meteorite! Or at least meteor. References: Message-ID: <007701ca14a9$607920e0$6401a8c0@EdDeckertMain> Ah yes, I have many fond memories from the '60s and '70s launching Estes rockets! We launched with payloads of frogs and grasshoppers. The frogs seemed to fare much better though after recovery... Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stanley" To: ; Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Make your own meteorite! Or at least meteor. > > > This is funny, > > Reminds me when we would put Tadpoles in the payload section of the Estes > rockets back in the '70s... we were kids then. > > I really like the On-orbit Advertising idea. > > Greg S > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: cynapse at charter.net >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:56:10 -0500 >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Make your own meteorite! Or at least meteor. >> >> http://spacefellowship.com/2009/08/01/interorbital-syatems-tubesat-personal-satellite-kit/ >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get free photo software from Windows Live > http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From info at tektiteinc.com Mon Aug 3 22:15:59 2009 From: info at tektiteinc.com (info at tektiteinc.com) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Australite Flanged Button ENDING soon on eBay. Message-ID: <43683.127.0.0.1.1249352159.squirrel@syd-srv07.ezyreg.com> Hello all, Just a quick one to let you know that my Australite Fully Flanged Button is ending soon on eBay. Still no takers even with a low starting price! Thanks! Cheers, Desmond Leong IMCA #2254 http://www.TektiteInc.com http://stores.ebay.com/Tektite-Inc http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtektiteinc-dot-com From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Tue Aug 4 00:12:33 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:12:33 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 4, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_4_2009.html __________________________ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From pshugar at clearwire.net Tue Aug 4 00:33:56 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:33:56 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Re make your own Meteorite Message-ID: <681062A2D11B4957A7C86D3837B553AA@laptop> List, Having been active in ham radio from almost the beguiling of the Amateur radio during the hey day of AMSAT-OSCAR program, I can tell you that the thrill of hearing your own return signal from the bird is a thrill every time you do it. It never ceased to get my heartbeat up 10 points. I ran the astounding power out into a ground plain antenna of 10 whole watts on the two meter uplink and with the down link on the 10 meter band. My very first contact was on AO6, otherwise called OSCAR 6 to JA1JRK in Japan while I was in Anchorage, Alaska. We had all of about 6 minutes of mutual access to the bird. I didn't see how I might become an astronaught, so this was the next best thing. My best contact was when I visited a friend's Shack. He was into moonbounce. This is where you transmit a 70 cm SSB signal into a 24 foot dish aimed at the moon and you heard your return 2.4 seconds later. It always gave me the willies because the signal had a warble to it that was unreal. I did some work when AO7 was launched. If the two birds were spaced just right, you could uplink on AO6 and AO7 would get the downlink and retransmit on it's downlink. This would allow you a much further distance to talk that either one alone. One mystery did crop up. There was an occasion of a reverse doplar. I never got to hear it directly, but I listened to the recorded tapes of the inverted dopplar. When the train approaches the whistle rises in pitch and as it departs, the whistle lowers in pitch. The same applies to a radio wave, but as the bird made a south to north pass over (get ready for it) the Bermuda triangle. the doplar was inverted no less than 7 or 8 passes during several days.. The cause was never identified. THAT was creepy. Ah, the good ol' days. It's late so I'll save another adventure re AO7's death and resurection 20 plus years later for retelling then. 73's de Pete KL7GNW-IMCA 1733 From mikewren at gilanet.com Tue Aug 4 01:20:02 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:20:02 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End On Thursday* Some Nice Specimens Message-ID: <184A4A82-9030-4B54-BA0D-8FC58393405C@gilanet.com> Hello, To See ALL Auctions for This Week... Go Here: http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ Best Wishes and Thanks Michael Cottingham From countdeiro at earthlink.net Tue Aug 4 02:57:34 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:57:34 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Re make your own Meteorite Message-ID: <4745410.1249369055052.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -.-- --.- -.-- --.- .-. .-.. --... -.. -. .-- . .. . -.- .- --... .--. .-- . CQ CQ CQ KL7GNW FROM KA7PWE SEEING AS WERE BOTH OLD HAMS WE MIGHT AS WELL LOG A QSL. MY BIGGEST THRILL WAS WORKING 40 METER CODE (200 WATTS FROM AN 80' YAGI) AND PICKING UP THE ELECTRONIC WARFARE OFFICER ON A "BOOMER" FIVE DAYS OUT OF PEARL. HE SENT A GREAT CARD, BUT NO NAME ON THE SUB. DID "WAS" IN CODE AND IT TOOK ME 15 YEARS. WENT SILENT NEARLY TWENTY YEARS AGO AND NOW IT'S METRORITES ONLY... SEVENS AND THREES ... .-. .- --... .--. .-- . -----Original Message----- >From: Pete Shugar >Sent: Aug 3, 2009 9:33 PM >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Re make your own Meteorite > >List, >Having been active in ham radio from almost the beguiling >of the Amateur radio during the hey day of AMSAT-OSCAR >program, I can tell you that the thrill of hearing your own return >signal from the bird is a thrill every time you do it. It never ceased >to get my heartbeat up 10 points. >I ran the astounding power out into a ground plain antenna of 10 whole watts >on the two meter uplink and with the down link on the 10 meter band. >My very first contact was on AO6, otherwise called OSCAR 6 to JA1JRK >in Japan while I was in Anchorage, Alaska. We had all of about 6 minutes of >mutual access to the bird. >I didn't see how I might become an astronaught, so this was the next best >thing. >My best contact was when I visited a friend's Shack. He was into moonbounce. >This is where you transmit a 70 cm SSB signal into a 24 foot dish aimed at >the moon >and you heard your return 2.4 seconds later. It always gave me the willies >because >the signal had a warble to it that was unreal. >I did some work when AO7 was launched. If the two birds were spaced just >right, >you could uplink on AO6 and AO7 would get the downlink and retransmit on >it's >downlink. This would allow you a much further distance to talk that either >one alone. >One mystery did crop up. There was an occasion of a reverse doplar. >I never got to hear it directly, but I listened to the recorded tapes of the >inverted >dopplar. When the train approaches the whistle rises in pitch and as it >departs, the whistle lowers in pitch. The same applies to a radio wave, but >as the bird made a south to north pass over (get ready for it) the Bermuda >triangle. the doplar was inverted no less than 7 or 8 passes during several >days.. The cause was never identified. >THAT was creepy. >Ah, the good ol' days. >It's late so I'll save another adventure re AO7's death and resurection 20 >plus years later for retelling then. >73's de Pete KL7GNW-IMCA 1733 > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de Tue Aug 4 03:13:40 2009 From: Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de (Carsten Giessler) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:13:40 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions Ending Soon! Message-ID: <4A77DFA4.4080102@t-online.de> Hello Dear List, i have some ebay auctions ending soon, all items are still at good prices. Also i have listed many new nice specimens at my ebay-shop. I would be glad if you take a look here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/gipometeorites_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ Many thanks for viewing! Best regards, Carsten -- Carsten Giessler Gipometeorites - www.gi-po.de - email: c-giessler at gi-po.de Member of the Meteoritical Society International Society for Meteoritics and Planetary Science IMCA Member:3457 International Meteorite Collectors Association From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 03:23:36 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it? In-Reply-To: <4A776AE4.4070103@dlc.fi> Message-ID: <600584.29278.qm@web55201.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Pekka Savolainen wrote: > To me the form of the crystal looks like typical > plagioglace feldspar, (labradorite), (anorthosite + albite), > /N//a/(/A//l//S//i/3/O/8)/C//a/(/A/12/S//i/208). Agreed in principle-- Going by the semi-waxy luster, cleavage, and apparent crystal form this is certainly not a pyroxene and highly probable that it is a feldspar. How this came into being and came to be in this meteorite present some intriguing --probably rare conditions to explain it. Thanks for presenting it Gary. Elton From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 06:42:39 2009 From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <219894.39322.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I found a few of the same things in West. Look like hematite concretions to me, that may have been struck by lightning driving off the oxygen to make them magnetic. Cheers Steve --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Pete Shugar wrote: > From: Pete Shugar > Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:53 PM > Anybody have a look at this? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360161621595&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > > I gotta wonder because? he states that it is not white > inside. > BUT, his? customers are all HAPPY? > What's the posibility this is another older fall in the > same general area as West-Ash Creek fall. > Pete IMCA 1733 > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From almitt at kconline.com Tue Aug 4 07:14:26 2009 From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitt) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:14:26 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD eBay Auctions Ending In-Reply-To: <681062A2D11B4957A7C86D3837B553AA@laptop> References: <681062A2D11B4957A7C86D3837B553AA@laptop> Message-ID: <669361CE6CBB4BC2ACEBCBC13B9160A4@StarmanPC> Greetings, I have three eBay Auctions ending in a little less than 6 hours time. One nice Gibeon 11.57 kilos at a great price. A full 155 gram Powellsville, Ohio slice, finished both sides, and a Lafayette Martian Meteorite from Indiana in a great ryker display. I took the photo while visiting the Smithsonian. Thanks for your time! --AL Mitterling From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk Tue Aug 4 07:29:42 2009 From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:29:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: 9.9 gram Park Forest slice, dual lithology: Gujba 2.1 grams started at 99p Message-ID: <20742668.31041249385382199.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Listees Some may be interested in a couple little auctions I have running. A beautiful partially fusion crusted slice of the gorgeous hammer Park Forest started at $30 a gram,buy it now $40 a gram.A few watchers hoping to get it at $30 a g by the looks of things http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Meteorite-Park-Forest-beautiful-9-9g-slice- HAMMER-L5_W0QQitemZ320407804408QQ A nice little 2.1 gram endcut of Gujba started at 99p http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Meteorite-GUJBA-Bencubbinite-CBa-RARE-2-1g-99p-N- R_W0QQitemZ320407779271QQ there is another 2.1 gram slice of Gujba also started at 99p 560 gram UNWA fully crusted and partially regmaglypted started at 99p. Lovely big stone http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Meteorite-UNWA-560-gram-fully-crusted-regmaglypt- 99pN-R_W0QQitemZ320407855189QQ also there are 5 slices of nwa2424 provisional CV3 also started at 99p and some nice little 869's cut in half for any newer list members who don't have some of this gorgeous meteorite yet. see all my auctions here http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/emeraldisleminerals thank you and have a great day JB From vs.petrovich at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 07:33:30 2009 From: vs.petrovich at gmail.com (Sergey Vasiliev) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:33:30 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auctions Message-ID: Hello List, I have a few auctions ending tomorrow: 1. Historical (1826!!!) micro Meteorite Pavlograd (L6) - 0.135g with crust: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190324973333 2. Big (1.17g) thin slice of Dar al Gani 400 (ALUN-A): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190325036873 3. Ivuna (CI1) - 0.015g: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190325036909 4. Large slice of Kainsaz (CO3.2) - 19.37 g: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190325036923 5. Small olivines from Krasnojarsk (PAL-MG): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190325036936 6. Museum size full slice of Ozernoe (L6) - 1064g: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190325036945 7. Beautiful crusted slice of Yurtuk (AHOW) - 4.82g: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190325036979 Thank you for your time! Sergey -------------------------------------------------------------- Sergey Vasiliev U Dalnice 839 Prague 5, 155 00 Czech Republic ------------------- http://www.sv-meteorites.com http://impactites.net http://systematic-mineralogy.com http://kazakhstan-minerals.com From hraab at aon.at Tue Aug 4 09:06:21 2009 From: hraab at aon.at (Herbert Raab) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:06:21 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Donating Almahata Sitta to Richard Kowalski Message-ID: <4A784E6D.15322.1BA881@hraab.aon.at> Dear fellow meteorite collectors, about one week ago, I posted a message to this list suggesting to collect some money to buy a sample of the Almahata Sitta meteorite (the remnants of asteroid 2008 TC3) for Richard Kowalski (the discoverer of 2008 TC3 and meteorite collector). By now, US$ 375,-- were donated trough ChipIn, and further US$ 260,-- were collected by other means, giving a total of US$ 635,--. So, I want to say "Thank you!" to all those who have sent donations. Those who still want to donate (any amount, no matter how small or large is welcome) may do so until Friday, August 7 trough this page: http://www.astrometrica.at/kowalski.html By the way, Franck Marchis (who is researcher at the SETI institute) is exploring the possibities to get a sample from the original expeditions by Jenniskens and Shaddad, and sending the donations to the University of Khartoumm (instead of buying a sample from a meteorite dealer), but the outcome is not yet clear. Cheers, Herbert From hraab at aon.at Tue Aug 4 12:31:53 2009 From: hraab at aon.at (Herbert Raab) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:31:53 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Donating Almahata Sitta to Richard Kowalski In-Reply-To: <000f01ca1519$ff684670$fe38d350$@net> References: <4A784E6D.15322.1BA881@hraab.aon.at>, <000f01ca1519$ff684670$fe38d350$@net> Message-ID: <4A787E99.22392.637676@hraab.aon.at> Hello everyone, I have been askes in a private message if the amont we have collected so far is enough to purchase a smaple of the Almahata Sitta meteorite. Everyone can check the specimens that are avilable for a given amount ath this page. (Note that the dealer that offer these samples has offered a 20% discount when we purchase a sample for Richard): http://www.haberer-meteorite.de/english/Asteroid%202008%20tc3/Asteroid%202008%20TC3.html As everyone can see, the amount collected so far is enough to buy a sample, but one of the smaller samples available. So any additional donations will help us to get a more representative sample, and are therefore certainly not for nothing. I don't know what size of specimen we may get from the Jenniskens- Shaddad, if a donation for the University of Khartoumm can be agreed upon. But offering a higher donation would certainly also help in that case. :-) Cheers, Herbert > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Herbert > Raab > Sent: 08/04/2009 6:06 AM > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Donating Almahata Sitta to Richard Kowalski > > > Dear fellow meteorite collectors, > > about one week ago, I posted a message to this list suggesting > to collect some money to buy a sample of the Almahata Sitta > meteorite (the remnants of asteroid 2008 TC3) for Richard > Kowalski (the discoverer of 2008 TC3 and meteorite collector). > > By now, US$ 375,-- were donated trough ChipIn, and further > US$ 260,-- were collected by other means, giving a total of > US$ 635,--. So, I want to say "Thank you!" to all those who > have sent donations. Those who still want to donate (any amount, > no matter how small or large is welcome) may do so until Friday, > August 7 trough this page: > > http://www.astrometrica.at/kowalski.html > > By the way, Franck Marchis (who is researcher at the SETI institute) > is exploring the possibities to get a sample from the original > expeditions by Jenniskens and Shaddad, and sending the donations > to the University of Khartoumm (instead of buying a sample from a > meteorite dealer), but the outcome is not yet clear. > > Cheers, > Herbert > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From mike.hankey at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 15:16:23 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:16:23 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Reported Possible PA Meteorite Found Message-ID: I got this report from someone on my blog: ?On July 26, 2009 I found an unusual rock lying on top of some mulch in my parent?s yard in north-central Maryland (Carroll County). It is totally unlike anything in the area. It looks like a meteorite to me. It is gray, with irregular shape, indentations which appear to have possibly been made by hot gas, and a few small rusty spots. The rock is about 2 inches wide. It is slightly attracted to a strong magnet. No one in the family had put the rock where it was found. No digging has occurred recently around where it was found. The region where this rock was found would be somewhat in line with your projected path of the recent meteor that may have landed near the Susquehanna River.? I asked him to send me some pictures. He did. My first thought is its not a meteorite because: 1) its not black, no fusion crust 2) its from Carrol County which is pretty far away from the trajectory we are currently working with. Would you guys mind looking at the pictures and tell me what you think? The person who reported this is just a kid, so if you could try to keep the comments as kind as possible I'd really appreciate it. The pictures are linked on my site (1st update on the page) http://www.mikesastrophotos.com If you want to leave a comment on the site, please feel free to include a URL to your commercial sites and pick up some free back links. Thanks, Mike P.S. check out yesterday's update for a good laugh. From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Tue Aug 4 15:48:43 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:48:43 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Reported Possible PA Meteorite Found In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At first glance I would say this is NOT from the fall. Fresh falls have a dark fusion crust. I think it could be slag - it's funny because I have a piece sitting on my desk that is dark green with a white coating on it - much like the stone in the pictures. All I can say is when you find a fresh fall, you will know it immediately. They just look so different, like the picture of Ash Creek found in West, TX. I would still take the stone to a university however, as you never know. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:16:23 -0400 > From: mike.hankey at gmail.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Reported Possible PA Meteorite Found > > I got this report from someone on my blog: > > ?On July 26, 2009 I found an unusual rock lying on top of some mulch > in my parent?s yard in north-central Maryland (Carroll County). It is > totally unlike anything in the area. It looks like a meteorite to me. > It is gray, with irregular shape, indentations which appear to have > possibly been made by hot gas, and a few small rusty spots. The rock > is about 2 inches wide. It is slightly attracted to a strong magnet. > No one in the family had put the rock where it was found. No digging > has occurred recently around where it was found. The region where > this rock was found would be somewhat in line with your projected path > of the recent meteor that may have landed near the Susquehanna River.? > > I asked him to send me some pictures. He did. > > My first thought is its not a meteorite because: > > 1) its not black, no fusion crust > 2) its from Carrol County which is pretty far away from the trajectory > we are currently working with. > > Would you guys mind looking at the pictures and tell me what you think? > > The person who reported this is just a kid, so if you could try to > keep the comments as kind as possible I'd really appreciate it. > > The pictures are linked on my site (1st update on the page) > > http://www.mikesastrophotos.com > > If you want to leave a comment on the site, please feel free to > include a URL to your commercial sites and pick up some free back > links. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > P.S. check out yesterday's update for a good laugh. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 4 15:50:50 2009 From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:50:50 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Reported Possible PA Meteorite Found Message-ID: <1602CE09DFFD49E79401B6DE1765D940@ET> Mike, I'm pretty sure this is an Earth rock, limestone maybe? There would almost certainly be fusion crust on a fresh fall. I do like the heart shaped picture though. Phil Whitmer From magellon.ken at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 15:54:09 2009 From: magellon.ken at gmail.com (Ken Newton) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:54:09 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? In-Reply-To: <219894.39322.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <219894.39322.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry if this duplicates Steve, > may have been struck by lightning driving off the oxygen to make them magnetic What???? Haven't heard that one before! Steve, Since you have contributed to this subject, perhaps you can explain why you have listed the following suspect items as meteorites in the "stephen dunklee collection"? http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=244 camp acapulcoite camp diogenite camp howardite camp pallasite camp122006 Limedale Mammoth Springs Do you really think these are meteorites? If 'no', why are they listed beside real meteorites? If 'yes', I suggest this does not improve your image (you once sold self-classified wrongs on eBay but to your credit you stopped) but even calls to question your meteorite photos and any legitimate photos that you have supplied to the Met Bull for reference. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor//MetBullFindphoto.php?credit=stephen+dunklee Do you see my point? Ken On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote: > > I found a few of the same things in West. Look like hematite concretions to me, that may have been struck by lightning driving off the oxygen to make them magnetic. > > Cheers > Steve From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 4 15:41:57 2009 From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:41:57 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alaskan Egg Meteorite Message-ID: <6FDB8BCB9CCB41EF852BFFEEF459EFD1@ET> Here's a real deal, only $1,500. Better hurry, only 2 hours left! http://cgi.ebay.com/Alaskan-Egg-Rock-meteorite_W0QQitemZ280380120583QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147f51e07&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Phil Whitmer From markig at westnet.com Tue Aug 4 16:37:14 2009 From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:37:14 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Message-ID: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the specimen." http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman From pshugar at clearwire.net Tue Aug 4 16:51:59 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:51:59 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alaskan Egg Meteorite References: <6FDB8BCB9CCB41EF852BFFEEF459EFD1@ET> Message-ID: Having lived in Alaska, specifically Kotzebue while working for the Air Force, I can tell you that there were many rocks of that coloration and smoothness. He got exactlly right when he called it an Alaskan Egg Rock because thats just what it is----an egg shaped rock. Pete IMCA 1733 ----- Original Message ----- From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Alaskan Egg Meteorite > Here's a real deal, only $1,500. Better hurry, only 2 hours left! > http://cgi.ebay.com/Alaskan-Egg-Rock-meteorite_W0QQitemZ280380120583QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147f51e07&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 > > Phil Whitmer > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 17:12:17 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:12:17 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay In-Reply-To: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> Message-ID: Hi Mark and List, That's a weird looking etch. I assume, if it's meteorite, that it's oxidized. Are the little black squiggly-lines the result of oxidation? If not, then I've never seen anything like it, in person or in photos. I'm always a little suspect of meteorites and tektites offered by sellers like this. Meteorites is not the seller's main area of knowledge (obviously a terrestrial gem and mineral dealer) - so there is always the increased possibility that the item was misrepresented to the seller and the seller is just passing along the same misinformation, unwittingly. I'd pass on it, personally. Plus it's overseas, so it could be more difficult to get a refund or recourse if there is an issue with the specimen's authenticity. That's just my two cents - actual worth may vary. ;) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/4/09, Mark Grossman wrote: > Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across > on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector > in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the > specimen." > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT > > Thanks. > > Mark Grossman > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From markig at westnet.com Tue Aug 4 17:18:34 2009 From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:18:34 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> Message-ID: <32DC1595DFF441678947034FC19D46BE@QED> Hi Mike, Thanks for the input. I thought troilite was supposed to be exbibited as round or oval-shaped inclusions in irons like Toluca. I have never seen "crossed lines" of troilite as shown in the photo. Yes, the dealer indicated that he obtained the description from the collector "Ceruda". Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Mark Grossman" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay > Hi Mark and List, > > That's a weird looking etch. I assume, if it's meteorite, that it's > oxidized. Are the little black squiggly-lines the result of > oxidation? If not, then I've never seen anything like it, in person > or in photos. > > I'm always a little suspect of meteorites and tektites offered by > sellers like this. Meteorites is not the seller's main area of > knowledge (obviously a terrestrial gem and mineral dealer) - so there > is always the increased possibility that the item was misrepresented > to the seller and the seller is just passing along the same > misinformation, unwittingly. > > I'd pass on it, personally. Plus it's overseas, so it could be more > difficult to get a refund or recourse if there is an issue with the > specimen's authenticity. > > That's just my two cents - actual worth may vary. ;) > > Best regards and clear skies, > > MikeG > > > On 8/4/09, Mark Grossman wrote: >> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >> across >> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >> collector >> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >> specimen." >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Tue Aug 4 17:47:44 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:47:44 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay In-Reply-To: <32DC1595DFF441678947034FC19D46BE@QED> References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> <32DC1595DFF441678947034FC19D46BE@QED> Message-ID: <000001ca154d$585faa10$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Hi Mark, probably the slice was or is sealed with a layer of lacquer and these lines are simply rust which grew underneath. I observed the same lines developing once in a sealed Morasko slice. Best! Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Grossman Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. August 2009 23:19 An: Galactic Stone & Ironworks Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay Hi Mike, Thanks for the input. I thought troilite was supposed to be exbibited as round or oval-shaped inclusions in irons like Toluca. I have never seen "crossed lines" of troilite as shown in the photo. Yes, the dealer indicated that he obtained the description from the collector "Ceruda". Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Mark Grossman" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay > Hi Mark and List, > > That's a weird looking etch. I assume, if it's meteorite, that it's > oxidized. Are the little black squiggly-lines the result of > oxidation? If not, then I've never seen anything like it, in person > or in photos. > > I'm always a little suspect of meteorites and tektites offered by > sellers like this. Meteorites is not the seller's main area of > knowledge (obviously a terrestrial gem and mineral dealer) - so there > is always the increased possibility that the item was misrepresented > to the seller and the seller is just passing along the same > misinformation, unwittingly. > > I'd pass on it, personally. Plus it's overseas, so it could be more > difficult to get a refund or recourse if there is an issue with the > specimen's authenticity. > > That's just my two cents - actual worth may vary. ;) > > Best regards and clear skies, > > MikeG > > > On 8/4/09, Mark Grossman wrote: >> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >> across >> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >> collector >> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >> specimen." >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From markig at westnet.com Tue Aug 4 18:32:09 2009 From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:32:09 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across onebay References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> <008901ca154e$88bf47f0$9a3dd7d0$@kashuba@verizon.net> Message-ID: <57A5360FB50B4F19B53016987A3735E0@QED> Thanks to all that replied. Very interesting about the lacquer that John and Martin noted. There could be some misunderstanding between the collector who supplied the sample to the ebay dealer. The "crossed lines" description reportedly came from the collector, but may have been misinterpreted by the seller. Thanks again. Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kashuba" To: "'Mark Grossman'" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across onebay Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten pattern and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the specimen." http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mary.kashuba at verizon.net Tue Aug 4 17:57:17 2009 From: mary.kashuba at verizon.net (Kashuba) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:57:17 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay In-Reply-To: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> Message-ID: <008901ca154e$88bf47f0$9a3dd7d0$@kashuba@verizon.net> Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten pattern and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the specimen." http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 20:12:32 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Collector ethics... was What is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <375934.18956.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I'm with Ken on this matter. I, frankly, am dumbfounded to see this material held out as meteorites, as I believe a member of an collectors association should be held to a higher standard and should police themselves more strictly than they police others. It is a breach of good taste if not a full fledged breach of ethics to co-mingle these specimens that in the slightest way leaves the door open for an inference that these are meteorites! Showing a "pink" swap implying a positive nickel test is dishonest, and at a minimum shows ignorance about the occurrence of false positive results in the presence of iron-- DUH. We've been down this path before by other members setting up web pages lumping together meteor-wrongs with meteorites in some magical belief that doing so will make the wrongs transform into real meteorites. Clearly the ability to set up a nice web page doesn't translate to the ability to identify meteorites not a license to do so haphazardly. Not speaking for the other than myself, as membership qualification is the purview of any trade organization, but membership in such organization implies to me something above the novice level about meteorites. Seems some can buy the logo and leave ethics at the door since membership infers a status of expertise quick ride to the top. I think the logo displayee owes the entire community of meteorite collectors a duty to be totally honest as shabby or shady implications reflects on the individual and it harms any student of meteorites buy presenting blatantly bogus specimens. Self-naming of suspected meteorites when the naming of meteorites is a well established known process is indefensible and a disservice to the public. Makes about as much sense to me as it would be to hold out myself as a brain surgeon because I've see some brain photos, grew up watching M.A.S.H. and dissected some frog brains in biology. I further agree that we all should really do a reasonable amount of foundation study before shooting baloney theories about rocks and minerals in general and the source of magnetism in naturally magnetic hematite nodules. Elton > > camp acapulcoite > camp diogenite > camp howardite > camp pallasite > camp122006 > Limedale > Mammoth Springs From meteoritekid at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 21:04:41 2009 From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:04:41 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay In-Reply-To: <5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid> References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> <5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com> Hello Mark, All, Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time in unfavorable climates. The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill Mason might have a word on this. That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: > Mark, List, > > It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear > coated and is rusting. ?Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under > coatings. ?Some Toluca have prominent troilite. ?None is obvious in this > slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. ?Maybe someone read a > description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten pattern > and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. ?You might pick it up > cheap, refinish it and pray. > > Regards, > > - John > > John Kashuba > Ontario, California > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark > Grossman > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on > ebay > > Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across > > on ebay. ?According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector > > in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the > specimen." > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S > TRK:MEWAX:IT > > Thanks. > > Mark Grossman > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From markig at westnet.com Tue Aug 4 21:30:29 2009 From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:30:29 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED><5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid> <93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jason, Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. I checked "Rocks from Space", and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding from between the Widmanstatten plates. And it looks like some of those brown "crossed lines" on the ebay sample. So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on his hands that he is trying to unload? :) Thanks again. Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" To: "Kashuba" ; "Meteorite-list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay Hello Mark, All, Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time in unfavorable climates. The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill Mason might have a word on this. That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: > Mark, List, > > It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear > coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around > under > coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this > slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a > description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten > pattern > and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up > cheap, refinish it and pray. > > Regards, > > - John > > John Kashuba > Ontario, California > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark > Grossman > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on > ebay > > Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came > across > > on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a > collector > > in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the > specimen." > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S > TRK:MEWAX:IT > > Thanks. > > Mark Grossman > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritekid at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 21:35:34 2009 From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:35:34 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay In-Reply-To: <93aaac890908041835u2f30b260x192f66983ad49baa@mail.gmail.com> References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED> <5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid> <93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com> <93aaac890908041835u2f30b260x192f66983ad49baa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <93aaac890908041835vb941083t51aa29db21ba0fd3@mail.gmail.com> Hello Mark, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than they think they do about rocks from space. ?That said, it could well be an honest mistake. ?There's no telling. It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. Another one bites the dust... Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: > Hi Jason, > > Thanks for the info. ?Looks like you're right. > > I checked "Rocks from Space", and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca > specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding > from between the Widmanstatten plates. > > And it looks like some of those brown "crossed lines" on the ebay sample. > > So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on > his hands that he is trying to unload? ?:) > > Thanks again. > > Mark Grossman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" > To: "Kashuba" ; "Meteorite-list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson > ebay > > > Hello Mark, All, > Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a > corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of > terrestrial salts. ?While the term is fairly well-recognized, it > generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation > even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time > in unfavorable climates. > The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine > specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill > Mason might have a word on this. > That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. > Regards, > Jason > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: >> >> Mark, List, >> >> It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear >> coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around >> under >> coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this >> slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a >> description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten >> pattern >> and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up >> cheap, refinish it and pray. >> >> Regards, >> >> - John >> >> John Kashuba >> Ontario, California >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark >> Grossman >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on >> ebay >> >> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >> across >> >> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >> collector >> >> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >> specimen." >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S >> TRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From markig at westnet.com Tue Aug 4 21:51:27 2009 From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:51:27 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrossonebay References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED><5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid><93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835u2f30b260x192f66983ad49baa@mail.gmail.com> <93aaac890908041835vb941083t51aa29db21ba0fd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jason, No, I decided not to bid after all. When it was 99 cents, that was on thing. But if my memory serves me correctly, last time I checked it was about $22. But has anyone heard of a Spanish collector named "Ceruda"? Sounds like the beginning of some suspense movie! Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" To: "Meteorite-list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrossonebay Hello Mark, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than they think they do about rocks from space. That said, it could well be an honest mistake. There's no telling. It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. Another one bites the dust... Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: > Hi Jason, > > Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. > > I checked "Rocks from Space", and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca > specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding > from between the Widmanstatten plates. > > And it looks like some of those brown "crossed lines" on the ebay sample. > > So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on > his hands that he is trying to unload? :) > > Thanks again. > > Mark Grossman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" > To: "Kashuba" ; "Meteorite-list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came > acrosson > ebay > > > Hello Mark, All, > Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a > corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of > terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it > generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation > even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time > in unfavorable climates. > The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine > specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill > Mason might have a word on this. > That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. > Regards, > Jason > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: >> >> Mark, List, >> >> It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear >> coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around >> under >> coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this >> slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a >> description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten >> pattern >> and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up >> cheap, refinish it and pray. >> >> Regards, >> >> - John >> >> John Kashuba >> Ontario, California >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark >> Grossman >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on >> ebay >> >> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >> across >> >> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >> collector >> >> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >> specimen." >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S >> TRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Tue Aug 4 22:26:53 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 04:26:53 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I cameacrossonebay In-Reply-To: References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED><5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid><93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835u2f30b260x192f66983ad49baa@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835vb941083t51aa29db21ba0fd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004101ca1574$332ff110$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Maybe Olalla Cernuda ? http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/06/27/ciencia/1182931659.html http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2005/11/29/ciencia/1133258125.html -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Grossman Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 03:51 An: Jason Utas; Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I cameacrossonebay Hi Jason, No, I decided not to bid after all. When it was 99 cents, that was on thing. But if my memory serves me correctly, last time I checked it was about $22. But has anyone heard of a Spanish collector named "Ceruda"? Sounds like the beginning of some suspense movie! Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" To: "Meteorite-list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrossonebay Hello Mark, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than they think they do about rocks from space. That said, it could well be an honest mistake. There's no telling. It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. Another one bites the dust... Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: > Hi Jason, > > Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. > > I checked "Rocks from Space", and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca > specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding > from between the Widmanstatten plates. > > And it looks like some of those brown "crossed lines" on the ebay sample. > > So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on > his hands that he is trying to unload? :) > > Thanks again. > > Mark Grossman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" > To: "Kashuba" ; "Meteorite-list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came > acrosson > ebay > > > Hello Mark, All, > Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a > corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of > terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it > generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation > even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time > in unfavorable climates. > The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine > specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill > Mason might have a word on this. > That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. > Regards, > Jason > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: >> >> Mark, List, >> >> It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear >> coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around >> under >> coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this >> slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a >> description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten >> pattern >> and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up >> cheap, refinish it and pray. >> >> Regards, >> >> - John >> >> John Kashuba >> Ontario, California >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark >> Grossman >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on >> ebay >> >> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >> across >> >> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >> collector >> >> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >> specimen." >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S >> TRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From fujmon at mac.com Tue Aug 4 22:41:44 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:41:44 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Update: Stolen meteorite shipment Message-ID: <1AB30400-A8EB-48B9-87AA-73E80968C240@mac.com> Aloha, Since my original post on this subject June 1, a lot has transpired and I thought it in the best interest of the parties involved, as well as the members of this list to know (as the late Paul Harvey would say) "The rest of the story". The meteorites I had purchased were won on ebay in a bulk auction that took about 3 hours to run. I paid for the items, and they were shipped out of South America soon after. When the package arrived, I eagerly went to the post office to claim my treasure. After the discovery of the theft of my meteorites in shipment (I received an empty box from the post office), I staggered home in disbelief. I emailed the seller notifying him of the disaster, but did not hear from him in a couple of days. At this point I was not a happy camper and filed a grievance with IMCA, a claim with eBay and Paypal, and wrote my email to the list. The seller responded to my emails, was empathetic and offered to assist on his end by filing a claim at his post office, and suggested I do the same at my post office. I returned the next day to file a claim at the USPS. Meanwhile Maria Haas, representing IMCA, responded almost immediately by contacting both the seller and me separately first to gather information from each other's respective viewpoint. She extracted the facts and shared with me the IMCA code of ethics and the issues of insurance, customs, taxes and other things that which I was not aware (but were reiterated by list members in response to my email). She then took steps to mediate the situation in as tactful a manner possible. At some point, the seller offered to share the loss with me, and agreed to refund me half of my payment if I would drop my claim with Paypal (which was withholding my payment to him until resolution). I dropped the claim, the seller reimbursed half my loss and the rest, as they say, is history...but wait, there's more. Since then, I have become a member of the IMCA. Not to become a big dealer, but to establish and uphold a modicum of the integrity and honor that was demonstrated to me by the characters in this story, themselves upstanding members of the IMCA. I have learned a lot from them and other IMCA members and dealers, and am dedicated to extending and perpetuating those values to the current and next generation of meteorite enthusiast. BTW, the seller (as many of you can guess) is Eduardo Jawerbaum, and I am a happy winner and recipient of some of the meteorites he had on auction a couple of weeks ago! Yes, I bought some more meteorites from the same person in the same country and postal system from which my previous shipment was stolen. Slow learner? Repeat offender? Obsessed collector? Maybe a little of all, but I must tell you that I am happy to continue to be a customer of Eduardo, and the proud owner of the freshest Franconia you've ever seen. Mahalo Eduardo ... Peace and poi. Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From markig at westnet.com Tue Aug 4 22:51:39 2009 From: markig at westnet.com (Mark Grossman) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:51:39 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that Icameacrossonebay References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED><5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid><93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835u2f30b260x192f66983ad49baa@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835vb941083t51aa29db21ba0fd3@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca1574$332ff110$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <63FC2A44AB5C4A3A90A203332B6A4ABA@QED> Could be. The ebay dealer described "Ceruda" as "one of the biggest minerals and meteorites collectors of Spain with a high reputation." The ebay dealer obtained his description of the sample from him and mentioned that the description was on the meteorite label. Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that Icameacrossonebay Maybe Olalla Cernuda ? http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/06/27/ciencia/1182931659.html http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2005/11/29/ciencia/1133258125.html -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Grossman Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 03:51 An: Jason Utas; Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I cameacrossonebay Hi Jason, No, I decided not to bid after all. When it was 99 cents, that was on thing. But if my memory serves me correctly, last time I checked it was about $22. But has anyone heard of a Spanish collector named "Ceruda"? Sounds like the beginning of some suspense movie! Mark Grossman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" To: "Meteorite-list" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrossonebay Hello Mark, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than they think they do about rocks from space. That said, it could well be an honest mistake. There's no telling. It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. Another one bites the dust... Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: > Hi Jason, > > Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. > > I checked "Rocks from Space", and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca > specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding > from between the Widmanstatten plates. > > And it looks like some of those brown "crossed lines" on the ebay sample. > > So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on > his hands that he is trying to unload? :) > > Thanks again. > > Mark Grossman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" > To: "Kashuba" ; "Meteorite-list" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came > acrosson > ebay > > > Hello Mark, All, > Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a > corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of > terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it > generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation > even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time > in unfavorable climates. > The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine > specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill > Mason might have a word on this. > That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. > Regards, > Jason > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: >> >> Mark, List, >> >> It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear >> coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around >> under >> coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this >> slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a >> description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten >> pattern >> and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up >> cheap, refinish it and pray. >> >> Regards, >> >> - John >> >> John Kashuba >> Ontario, California >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark >> Grossman >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on >> ebay >> >> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >> across >> >> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >> collector >> >> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >> specimen." >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S >> TRK:MEWAX:IT >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From bristolia at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 23:06:46 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Slope Streaks on Mars - Triggered by Small Meteorite Impacts ? Message-ID: <427430.56282.qm@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Slope Streaks on Mars - Featured images for August 2009 http://www.psi.edu/pgwg/images/aug09image.html "Several of the streaks are triggered by impact craters that have dark ejecta." "Other interesting observations include triggering of slope streaks by an impact crater, blast from an impact explosion, or boulders rolling or bouncing downslope, and formation of long linear ridges within the streak that are parallel to its margins." Yours, Paul H. From cdtucson at cox.net Tue Aug 4 15:12:33 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:12:33 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay Message-ID: <20090804151233.KFOZF.6282.imail@fed1rmwml45> Please check out my auctions ending soon. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteoritemax_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax From mike.hankey at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 00:23:58 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 00:23:58 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] interesting PA Fireball witness report Message-ID: I was trolling the internets for info and found this report: "I saw this shooting star up in Pa. I was driving north on route 476 and saw the night sky turn bluish green. The meteor came from behind me and passed on my left side. I saw it breakup into 6 smaller pieces and watched them burn out. One of the coolest things I?ve ever seen. The windows were up on my semi so I didn?t hear anything." I wrote the paper and asked them to fwd the guy my info. 476 is about an hour away from our current impact zone. His account is consistent with our data depending on where he was on 476. The highway looks to start north of Philadelphia. How close do you think you would have to be to see this sort of thing? (i'm referring to the break up and burn out) From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Wed Aug 5 01:02:09 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:02:09 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 5, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_5_2009.html __________________________ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From jgregoryw at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 05:07:05 2009 From: jgregoryw at gmail.com (J. Gregory Wilson) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:07:05 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rob Elliott meteorite collection auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> Just a heads-up: long-lost listee and warm-beer-drinker Rob Elliott wanted list members to know that his extensive collection will be on the auction block in about two weeks. Details below. Gregory ____________________________________________________________________________ ______ The Robert Elliott Meteorite Collection will be auctioned on 18th August and hosted by Scotland's oldest firm of auctioneers, Lyon & Turnbull in Edinburgh. Time allows for 170 Lots, containing some familiar and some not-so-familiar meteorite specimens, all acquired by myself during my travels to museums around the world, and from many researchers & scientists directly. My meteorite collecting passion was mostly for the so-called "historical" meteorites, so feel free to take a look through the sales catalogue, either hard copy or online, and see what takes your fancy. Or just enjoy the pictures! I know that several of you are jumping on a plane and coming to Edinburgh to bid in the saleroom, but for those that cannot attend the auction in person, it's still possible to bid live and in real-time (see links below). Bids may also be placed in advance on the website, or by telephone and in writing. If you're planning to bid over the internet, be sure to register first. Here are the direct links to the sales catalogue (Sale no: 262), the live bidding site, and for those that need it, packing and shipping assistance. Auction Hosts - Lyon & Turnbull, Edinburgh. Online Catalogue: www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=1&ps=25&st=D&sale_no=262 Email for catalogue requests and auction information: info at lyonandturnbull.com Live, Real-time bidding hosts - Artfact www.artfact.com/catalog/searchLots.cfm?scp=c&catalogRef=HSM8GI7QBD America's oldest auction house, Freeman's of Philadelphia will also feature the auction. Visit www.freemansauction.com and look under "Auctions". Packing and shipping assistance is available from Mailboxes Etc. Website: www.mbe.co.uk Email: info at mbesouthbridge.co.uk If you'd prefer a glossy, printed copy of the sales catalogue, these are available by request from Lyon & Turnbull. Email address: info at lyonandturnbull.com For more information and phone numbers, please visit their website at: www.lyonandturnbull.com Best wishes, Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Telephone: 01592-751563 Mobile: 07880-888660 International Tel: +44-1592-751563 Email: fernlea4 at aol.com PC # 1 From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 05:11:35 2009 From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:11:35 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Scottish meteorite collectors - pleasecontact me offlist Message-ID: Mike Apart from myself and Rob McCafferty, who is also on the list, there are a few others. If you want I will contact you off-list with these names. Before I do, I will contact them and see if they are willing to have their names forwarded. Best Wishes from sunny Scotland (yes we do get Sun!) Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.davidson at nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone & Ironworks Sent: 25 July 2009 04:52 To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Scottish meteorite collectors - pleasecontact me offlist Hi List, I am looking for List members who : 1) are living in Scotland 2) have family or friends living in Scotland 3) have family ties or ancestry in Scotland 4) have some affinity for Scotland If this describes you and you collect meteorites, please contact me offlist. This is in reference to an upcoming donation I am arranging. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Free Fringe music. Celebrate Homecoming at the National Museum of Scotland 8-30 August. www.nms.ac.uk/music National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. From jgregoryw at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 05:51:04 2009 From: jgregoryw at gmail.com (J. Gregory Wilson) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:51:04 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rob Elliott meteorite collection auction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a901ca15b2$40b29d90$c217d8b0$@com> Just a heads-up: long-lost listee and warm-beer-drinker Rob Elliott wanted list members to know that his extensive collection will be on the auction block in about two weeks. Details below. Gregory ____________________________________________________________________________ ______ The Robert Elliott Meteorite Collection will be auctioned on 18th August and hosted by Scotland's oldest firm of auctioneers, Lyon & Turnbull in Edinburgh. Time allows for 170 Lots, containing some familiar and some not-so-familiar meteorite specimens, all acquired by myself during my travels to museums around the world, and from many researchers & scientists directly. My meteorite collecting passion was mostly for the so-called "historical" meteorites, so feel free to take a look through the sales catalogue, either hard copy or online, and see what takes your fancy. Or just enjoy the pictures! I know that several of you are jumping on a plane and coming to Edinburgh to bid in the saleroom, but for those that cannot attend the auction in person, it's still possible to bid live and in real-time (see links below). Bids may also be placed in advance on the website, or by telephone and in writing. If you're planning to bid over the internet, be sure to register first. Here are the direct links to the sales catalogue (Sale no: 262), the live bidding site, and for those that need it, packing and shipping assistance. Auction Hosts - Lyon & Turnbull, Edinburgh. Online Catalogue: www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=1&ps=25&st=D&sale_no=262 Email for catalogue requests and auction information: info at lyonandturnbull.com Live, Real-time bidding hosts - Artfact www.artfact.com/catalog/searchLots.cfm?scp=c&catalogRef=HSM8GI7QBD America's oldest auction house, Freeman's of Philadelphia will also feature the auction. Visit www.freemansauction.com and look under "Auctions". Packing and shipping assistance is available from Mailboxes Etc. Website: www.mbe.co.uk Email: info at mbesouthbridge.co.uk If you'd prefer a glossy, printed copy of the sales catalogue, these are available by request from Lyon & Turnbull. Email address: info at lyonandturnbull.com For more information and phone numbers, please visit their website at: www.lyonandturnbull.com Best wishes, Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Telephone: 01592-751563 Mobile: 07880-888660 International Tel: +44-1592-751563 Email: fernlea4 at aol.com PC # 1 From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 07:38:41 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 04:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to all involved Message-ID: <780045.57426.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Good morning list. Its no jive,today I hit 55. Well anyway I want to thank all who chimed in for my last freebie session. All 20 pieces are gone. I also want to thank brett whitenack for sending me valuable nininger info,plus a free copy of the huss meteorite handbook of meteorites. It is very nice reading. I also want to thank greg catterton for sending me a freebie?as well. I look forward to it. Now for myself,I?am getting something I have never had,a TATTOO.Sort of a wild thing,thing. Stay tuned and have a great day. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From bristolia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 08:16:42 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 05:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Paper About proposed Impact Basin in Wilkes Land, Antarctica Message-ID: <370843.33505.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear friends, I came across a new paper about the proposed 300 km in diameter impact crater in Wilkes Land, Antarctica. It is: von Frese, R. R. B., L. V. Potts, S. B. Wells, T. E. Leftwich, H. R. Kim, J. W. Kim, A. V. Golynsky, O. Hernandez, and L. R. Gaya-Piqu? (2009), GRACE gravity evidence for an impact basin in Wilkes Land, Antarctica, Geochemistry Geophysics Geosystems, 10, Q02014, doi:10.1029/2008GC002149. http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2008GC002149.shtml Yours, Paul H. From bristolia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 08:34:19 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 05:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Free PDF File of Paper About Proposed Wilkes Land, Antarctica, Impact Crater Message-ID: <652747.27821.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear friends, In a previous message I wrote: "I came across a new paper about the proposed 300 km in diameter impact crater in Wilkes Land, Antarctica. It is: von Frese, R. R. B., L. V. Potts, S. B. Wells, T. E. Leftwich, H. R. Kim, J. W. Kim, A. V. Golynsky, O. Hernandez, and L. R. Gaya-Piqu? (2009), GRACE gravity evidence for an impact basin in Wilkes Land, Antarctica, Geochemistry Geophysics Geosystems, 10, Q02014, doi:10.1029/2008GC002149. http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2008GC002149.shtml " While doing additional googling, I came across an URL where the PDF file for this paper can be found. The PDF file for this paper can be downloaded for free from: http://www.geology.osu.edu/~vonfrese/general/WLIB_gcubed09.pdf Yours, Paul H. Yours, Paul H. From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Wed Aug 5 08:37:13 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:37:13 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] OT - For Mal Bishop In-Reply-To: <4A797538.3060707@lowcountry.com> References: <1249336346.6713@paypal.com> <4A797538.3060707@lowcountry.com> Message-ID: <001e01ca15c9$774fd1d0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Sorry.... Mal, I'm receiving all your emails. But my ones, no matter from which of my accounts I send, aren't coming through. Is a problem with your lowcountry server: "connection to mail exchanger failed" No worries, Everything perfect. I hope to send the rest on Friday. Best! Martin From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 09:18:47 2009 From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Iron oxide/ hematite Message-ID: <767404.58867.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> here is a link to Iron oxide/ hematite and the magnetic properties of Iron and it's varieties. cheers Steve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron(III)_oxide From wahlperry at aol.com Wed Aug 5 10:54:41 2009 From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:54:41 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to all involved In-Reply-To: <780045.57426.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <780045.57426.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBE3F3CBD9273A-10DC-15F@WEBMAIL-MB02.sysops.aol.com> Hi Steve, Happy Birthday ! Sonny -----Original Message----- From: steve arnold To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 4:38 am Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to all involved Good morning list. Its no jive,today I hit 55. Well anyway I want to thank all who chimed in for my last freebie session. All 20 pieces are gone. I also want to thank brett whitenack for sending me valuable nininger info,plus a free copy of the huss meteorite handbook of meteorites. It is very nice reading. I also want to thank greg catterton for sending me a freebie?as well. I look forward to it. Now for myself,I?am getting something I have never had,a TATTOO.Sort of a wild thing,thing. Stay tuned and have a great day. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From jkg2 at cox.net Wed Aug 5 11:19:58 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:19:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Update: Stolen meteorite shipment In-Reply-To: <1AB30400-A8EB-48B9-87AA-73E80968C240@mac.com> References: <1AB30400-A8EB-48B9-87AA-73E80968C240@mac.com> Message-ID: <20090805152009.OLFD14387.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> I'm glad to see you had an acceptable resolution to your problem. Many people are not as fortunate as you and end up taking the entire loss themselves. Maria Haas is one of those people who work "behind the scene" at solving issues very effectively. The next time someone complains about the IMCA, remind them of this incident. Best, John Gwilliam At 07:41 PM 8/4/2009, Gary Fujihara wrote: >Aloha, > >Since my original post on this subject June 1, a lot has transpired >and I thought it in the best interest of the parties involved, as well >as the members of this list to know (as the late Paul Harvey would >say) "The rest of the story". > >The meteorites I had purchased were won on ebay in a bulk auction that >took about 3 hours to run. I paid for the items, and they were >shipped out of South America soon after. When the package arrived, I >eagerly went to the post office to claim my treasure. After the >discovery of the theft of my meteorites in shipment (I received an >empty box from the post office), I staggered home in disbelief. I >emailed the seller notifying him of the disaster, but did not hear >from him in a couple of days. At this point I was not a happy camper >and filed a grievance with IMCA, a claim with eBay and Paypal, and >wrote my email to the list. > >The seller responded to my emails, was empathetic and offered to >assist on his end by filing a claim at his post office, and suggested >I do the same at my post office. I returned the next day to file a >claim at the USPS. Meanwhile Maria Haas, representing IMCA, responded >almost immediately by contacting both the seller and me separately >first to gather information from each other's respective viewpoint. >She extracted the facts and shared with me the IMCA code of ethics and >the issues of insurance, customs, taxes and other things that which I >was not aware (but were reiterated by list members in response to my >email). She then took steps to mediate the situation in as tactful a >manner possible. > >At some point, the seller offered to share the loss with me, and >agreed to refund me half of my payment if I would drop my claim with >Paypal (which was withholding my payment to him until resolution). I >dropped the claim, the seller reimbursed half my loss and the rest, as >they say, is history...but wait, there's more. > >Since then, I have become a member of the IMCA. Not to become a big >dealer, but to establish and uphold a modicum of the integrity and >honor that was demonstrated to me by the characters in this story, >themselves upstanding members of the IMCA. I have learned a lot from >them and other IMCA members and dealers, and am dedicated to extending >and perpetuating those values to the current and next generation of >meteorite enthusiast. > >BTW, the seller (as many of you can guess) is Eduardo Jawerbaum, and I >am a happy winner and recipient of some of the meteorites he had on >auction a couple of weeks ago! Yes, I bought some more meteorites >from the same person in the same country and postal system from which >my previous shipment was stolen. Slow learner? Repeat offender? >Obsessed collector? Maybe a little of all, but I must tell you that I >am happy to continue to be a customer of Eduardo, and the proud owner >of the freshest Franconia you've ever seen. Mahalo Eduardo ... Peace >and poi. > >Gary Fujihara >AstroDay Institute >105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >http://astroday.net > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 11:40:21 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:40:21 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rob Elliott meteorite collection auction In-Reply-To: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> References: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> Message-ID: Why do these auctions always come up when I am stretched too thin already!??!? LOL On 8/5/09, J. Gregory Wilson wrote: > > Just a heads-up: long-lost listee and warm-beer-drinker Rob Elliott wanted > list members to know that his extensive collection will be on the auction > block in about two weeks. Details below. > > Gregory > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ______ > > The Robert Elliott Meteorite Collection will be auctioned on 18th August and > hosted by Scotland's oldest firm of auctioneers, Lyon & Turnbull in > Edinburgh. Time allows for 170 Lots, containing some familiar and some > not-so-familiar meteorite specimens, all acquired by myself during my > travels to museums around the world, and from many researchers & scientists > directly. > > My meteorite collecting passion was mostly for the so-called "historical" > meteorites, so feel free to take a look through the sales catalogue, either > hard copy or online, and see what takes your fancy. Or just enjoy the > pictures! > > I know that several of you are jumping on a plane and coming to Edinburgh to > bid in the saleroom, but for those that cannot attend the auction in person, > it's still possible to bid live and in real-time (see links below). > Bids may also be placed in advance on the website, or by telephone and in > writing. > If you're planning to bid over the internet, be sure to register first. > > Here are the direct links to the sales catalogue (Sale no: 262), the live > bidding site, and for those that need it, packing and shipping assistance. > > > Auction Hosts - Lyon & Turnbull, Edinburgh. > Online Catalogue: > www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=1&ps=25&st=D&sale_no=262 > Email for catalogue requests and auction information: > info at lyonandturnbull.com > > > Live, Real-time bidding hosts - Artfact > www.artfact.com/catalog/searchLots.cfm?scp=c&catalogRef=HSM8GI7QBD > > > America's oldest auction house, Freeman's of Philadelphia will also feature > the auction. > Visit www.freemansauction.com and look under "Auctions". > > > Packing and shipping assistance is available from Mailboxes Etc. > Website: www.mbe.co.uk > Email: info at mbesouthbridge.co.uk > > > If you'd prefer a glossy, printed copy of the sales catalogue, these are > available by request from Lyon & Turnbull. > Email address: info at lyonandturnbull.com > For more information and phone numbers, please visit their website at: > www.lyonandturnbull.com > > > Best wishes, > Rob Elliott > www.meteorites.uk.com > Fernlea Meteorites, > The Wynd, > Off Dickson Lane, > Milton of Balgonie, > Fife. KY7 6PY > United Kingdom > Telephone: 01592-751563 > Mobile: 07880-888660 > International Tel: +44-1592-751563 > Email: fernlea4 at aol.com > PC # 1 > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From albireo3000 at yahoo.es Wed Aug 5 13:34:11 2009 From: albireo3000 at yahoo.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Francisco_Oca=F1a?=) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:34:11 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I cameacrossonebay In-Reply-To: <004101ca1574$332ff110$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <0C2FA73E04884BA39B41E2701FA4075E@QED><5184009235108477608@unknownmsgid><93aaac890908041804v5d0afd3xc3315216ef1f464e@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835u2f30b260x192f66983ad49baa@mail.gmail.com><93aaac890908041835vb941083t51aa29db21ba0fd3@mail.gmail.com> <004101ca1574$332ff110$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <4A79C293.9040706@yahoo.es> Don?t think so! hehe. "Cer*n*uda" is a common surname: http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial%3ABuscar&search=cernuda&fulltext=Buscar And no idea about who "Ceruda" is. Best, Paco Oca?a Martin Altmann escribi?: > Maybe Olalla Cernuda ? > > http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/06/27/ciencia/1182931659.html > > http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2005/11/29/ciencia/1133258125.html > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mark > Grossman > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 03:51 > An: Jason Utas; Meteorite-list > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I > cameacrossonebay > > Hi Jason, > > No, I decided not to bid after all. When it was 99 cents, that was on > thing. But if my memory serves me correctly, last time I checked it was > about $22. > > But has anyone heard of a Spanish collector named "Ceruda"? Sounds like the > > beginning of some suspense movie! > > Mark Grossman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Utas" > To: "Meteorite-list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came > acrossonebay > > > Hello Mark, > I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've > sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a > vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than > they think they do about rocks from space. That said, it could well > be an honest mistake. There's no telling. > It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction > closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. > Another one bites the dust... > Regards, > Jason > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossman wrote: > >> Hi Jason, >> >> Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. >> >> I checked "Rocks from Space", and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca >> specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding >> from between the Widmanstatten plates. >> >> And it looks like some of those brown "crossed lines" on the ebay sample. >> >> So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on >> his hands that he is trying to unload? :) >> >> Thanks again. >> >> Mark Grossman >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" >> To: "Kashuba" ; "Meteorite-list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came >> acrosson >> ebay >> >> >> Hello Mark, All, >> Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a >> corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of >> terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it >> generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation >> even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time >> in unfavorable climates. >> The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine >> specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill >> Mason might have a word on this. >> That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. >> Regards, >> Jason >> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba wrote: >> >>> Mark, List, >>> >>> It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear >>> coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around >>> under >>> coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this >>> slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a >>> description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten >>> pattern >>> and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up >>> cheap, refinish it and pray. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> - John >>> >>> John Kashuba >>> Ontario, California >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark >>> Grossman >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on >>> ebay >>> >>> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came >>> across >>> >>> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a >>> collector >>> >>> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the >>> specimen." >>> >>> >>> >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S > >>> TRK:MEWAX:IT >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Mark Grossman >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> From bristolia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 14:59:15 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Bajada del Diablo impact crater-strewn field: Largest in South America Message-ID: <114765.37886.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Acevedo, R. D., J. F. Ponce, M. Rocca, J. Rabassa,and H. Corbella, 2009, Bajada del Diablo impact crater-strewn field: The largest crater field in the Southern Hemisphere. Geomorphology. vol. 110, no. 3-4, pp. 58-67. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.geomorph.2009.03.026 http://www.science-direct.com/science/journal/0169555X Filu-C? plateau: the major impact crater field of Bajada del Diablo strewnfield, Argentine Patagonia http://www.conicet.gov.ar/scp/vista_resumen.php?produccion=273465&id=1907&keywords= http://www.conicet.gov.ar/scp/vista_resumen.php?produccion=273465&id=1907&keywords=&printable=1 Yours, Paul From geeg48 at msn.com Wed Aug 5 16:15:29 2009 From: geeg48 at msn.com (GREG LINDH) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:15:29 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to all involved In-Reply-To: <780045.57426.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <780045.57426.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, Happy 55th to you! Here's hoping that it will be an enjoyable day for you, Steve. Best wishes, Greg Lindh ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 04:38:41 -0700 > From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to all involved > > Good morning list. Its no jive,today I hit 55. Well anyway I want to thank all who chimed in for my last freebie session. All 20 pieces are gone. I also want to thank brett whitenack for sending me valuable nininger info,plus a free copy of the huss meteorite handbook of meteorites. It is very nice reading. I also want to thank greg catterton for sending me a freebie as well. I look forward to it. Now for myself,I am getting something I have never had,a TATTOO.Sort of a wild thing,thing. Stay tuned and have a great day. > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mlblood at cox.net Wed Aug 5 16:36:58 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:36:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page In-Reply-To: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> Message-ID: Hi all, I have been alerted by at least 3 people that a Spam mailing, specifically citing my IN DEPTH FRIENDS PAGE (kindly hosted by that king of Web pages, Paul Harris & his partner in crime, The ingenious Jim Tobin) First: this particular spam actually cited my Page as their source - I assume to "gain" a sense of "honesty" or "affiliation." I can think of no other reason (unless I get really paranoid and start suspecting someone Is ticked at me and wants to taint my endeavors - seams Highly unlikely) Second: one must realize spammers have a wide Arsenal of methods of getting email addresses. Spam Is the dog poop on the lawn - yet we all continue to Have lawns (except that clever devil, Geoff Notkin, Who has sand and cactus). Those that want to remove their email address >From their IN DEPTH FRIENDS PAGE, go for it - You can edit it out just as you edited in any and all Information there. HOWEVER, that will be a drop In the bucket, as spamming bastards, as I said, will Get your email address so many ways it would blow Your mind - it starts when you GET an email address, Expands when you email ANYONE, visit ANY net Site, order anything on the net, receive email, etc. Every conceivable method one could think of (and MANY one would not think of) is used. I would be amazed if there is not an ebook available For spammers! Anyway, the point is, if you want to edit out your email Address you can do so just as you put it in but the effect On the amount of spam you receive will likely be unnoticeable. Sorry this is how it is. Best wishes, Michael From meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 16:56:10 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:56:10 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page In-Reply-To: References: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> Message-ID: Hi Michael, I received a spam response from the friends page as well. But, I get so much spam anyway (from the web in general, not your site), that it didn't bug me. I just deleted it. It was the typical Nigerian type scam involving millions of dollars, bank transfers, etc. Who falls for that stuff anyway? Best regards, MikeG On 8/5/09, Michael Blood wrote: > Hi all, > I have been alerted by at least 3 people that a > Spam mailing, specifically citing my IN DEPTH > FRIENDS PAGE (kindly hosted by that king of > Web pages, Paul Harris & his partner in crime, > The ingenious Jim Tobin) > First: this particular spam actually cited my > Page as their source - I assume to "gain" a sense of > "honesty" or "affiliation." I can think of no other reason > (unless I get really paranoid and start suspecting someone > Is ticked at me and wants to taint my endeavors - seams > Highly unlikely) > Second: one must realize spammers have a wide > Arsenal of methods of getting email addresses. Spam > Is the dog poop on the lawn - yet we all continue to > Have lawns (except that clever devil, Geoff Notkin, > Who has sand and cactus). > Those that want to remove their email address > >From their IN DEPTH FRIENDS PAGE, go for it - > You can edit it out just as you edited in any and all > Information there. HOWEVER, that will be a drop > In the bucket, as spamming bastards, as I said, will > Get your email address so many ways it would blow > Your mind - it starts when you GET an email address, > Expands when you email ANYONE, visit ANY net > Site, order anything on the net, receive email, etc. > Every conceivable method one could think of > (and MANY one would not think of) is used. > I would be amazed if there is not an ebook available > For spammers! > Anyway, the point is, if you want to edit out your email > Address you can do so just as you put it in but the effect > On the amount of spam you receive will likely be unnoticeable. > Sorry this is how it is. > Best wishes, Michael > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... 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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 5 16:49:39 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Curiosity Rover Assembled as Cost Impacts Debated (MSL) Message-ID: <200908052049.n75KndCm005146@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0908/05msl/ Curiosity rover assembled as cost impacts debated BY CRAIG COVAULT SPACEFLIGHT NOW August 5, 2009 Assembly and test of the Mars Science Laboratory rover, and its Sky Crane descent stage, are accelerating at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. toward launch on an Atlas 5 from Cape Canaveral in October or November 2011. Cutting edge technology for MSL is springing to life as the flight rover and descent stage mature in JPL clean rooms. The MSL rover, the size of an Earthly wide-track all terrain vehicle, will be lowered on a bridal from the highly maneuverable Sky Crane Mars Descent Stage. The descent stage will be hovered at 50 ft. altitude on its 8 rocket engines until the rover wheels are on the ground and the umbilical severed. (See Descent System image below). The Sky Crane contraption looks like its out of a Star Trek movie. Once free of the rover it will zoom off at low level and full throttle until it runs out of fuel and crashes far from planned roving targets. Developing such cutting edge hardware has brought technology delays and a much steeper price than envisioned. The MSL cost growth is also slowing the development of all other NASA planetary programs and will delay by 2-4 years all other Mars programs coming after MSL, including a Mars sample return now envisioned for the 2020s. The cost and hardware problems also forced an MSL launch slip from 2009 to 2011. And it also caused a management shakeup in the organization. Richard Cook who initially led the program has been moved down to deputy manager, while Pete Theisinger has been convinced to return to lead the MSL program He earlier led the Spirit and Opportunity programs. At this point two years before launch, the MSL program is also preparing two major cost updates for top NASA management and Congress about MSL cost overruns and development difficulties. This is occurring at the same time NASA and the European Space Agency have joined forces for Mars planning focused on Europe's plan to launch its own ExoMars rover (pictured below). ExoMars was originally scheduled to lift off for Mars on an Ariane 5 in 2011, but its launch has now been postponed a total of 7 years to 2018. The first MSL review is due this summer and called a "breach report" that will cite to Congress how the program has "breached" its earlier funding plan. MSL is burdened with a $1.68 billion (68%) development overrun and prospects for the need of an additional $115 million to finish the program. An even more critical review will be the flight's "readiness to proceed" review set for November where JPL and the space agency will update progress toward solving major actuator, avionics and power system problems being tackled this summer. The power system situation is relatively new. To solve the problem with the actuators, the program went to a different lubricant. But the new lubricant requires more heating during cold Martian nights, a situation that uses up the capability of the RTG with decaying Plutonium 238. The RTG will be mounted on the back of the rover between the large fin like structures visible in this image of the flight rover. The rover is equipped with its flight-sized wheels enabling the large scale of the vehicle to be seen. The rover's Sample Analysis (SAM) handling equipment being developed at the Goddard Space Flight Center has also fallen behind. But testing indicates "almost double energy requirements" will be needed to conduct SAM sample analysis scenarios. According to a mid July NASA Advisory Council Report the "Rover Power System design does not meet present mission requirements, requiring the rover to need additional battery capacity and possibly addition of a solar array in addition to its nuclear power system. The electrical issue could be a significant new cost driver as the solar array/nuclear system tradeoff was one of the most important design tradeoffs when the program got started. Now the assessment has changed to raise the possibility that MSL may need both a solar array and nuclear generator. The maturity of the rover and Sky Crane design at JPL is illustrated by examining the engineering detail of the Sky Crane, as the 4,565 lb. carrier is viewed from above with the rover tucked into its "bomb bay" below. All of the red boxed areas are delicate red rocket nozzles mounted on four arms to provide descent thrust after separation of a 50 ft. parachute and aeroshell. With twin rocked engines firing on all four corners, the vehicle can maneuver to a precise location throttle down into a hover at 50 ft. (15 meter) altitude then lower the rover to the ground. To lower the rover, an umbilical line will be unraveled from the gold cone shaped device mounted in the center of the Sky Crane's belly. The component (shown below) is essential for mission success. JPL has also begun separation tests of the rover from the Sky Crane. Such tests are being done manually in a JPL clean room where the rover, still minus its science instruments is mated to the Sky Crane descent stage. The locks holding the lander onto the Sky Crane are released freeing the rover for separation. The release is simulated on the ground by having technicians pull the Sky Crane upward manually with ropes, rather than have the rover fall from the flyer in the clean room. More advanced outdoor test rigs will perform higher fidelity tests. The missions cruise stage, aeroshell, heat shield and parachute are other critical elements of the mission being integrated at JPL. The cruise stage (shown below) functions like the same systems used on the 1997 Pathfinder mission and the ones attached to Spirit and Opportunity. The large circular structure (above) sits atop the aero shell and has rocket engines and propellant to carry out course corrections enroute to Mars. It is separated just before atmospheric entry. When the cruise stage is mounted atop the aeroshell, it forms the shelter that carries the rover and Sky Crane on the 200 million mi. flight to Mars and the dive through the Martian atmosphere. The aeroshell is much larger for MSL than it was for Spirit and Opportunity and Pathfinder. The most critical component of the aeroshell is the 15 ft. diameter Lockheed heat shield that faces into the aerodynamic flow during atmospheric entry . (See picture below) The Mars Science Laboratory heat shield has a curved lenticular shape to allow the guidance system to achieve lift to maneuver in cross range by rotating the shell during entry. This closed loop guidance capability will give MSL a much more accurate landing ability. Once the fiery dive through the atmosphere is completed, MSl will deploy its 51 ft. dia. parachute developed by Pioneer Aerospace in South Windsor , Conn. For MSL the chute is 10 ft. wider than those use on the Spirit and Opportunity missions. The 3,000 sq. ft. chute with a lower open ring section at bottom is designed to fly at Mach 2.2 in the Martian atmosphere. It is shown during a recent wind tunnel test at the NASA Ames Research Center, Mountain w, Calif. Note technician for scale in the image (above). From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 5 18:26:06 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - August 5, 2009 Message-ID: <200908052226.n75MQ6B2011112@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES August 5, 2009 o Light-Toned Rock and Scarps http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009523_2165 o Stratigraphy Exposed in Crater Wall http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009470_1965 o Multiple Slip Face Dunes http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009394_2565 o Blocky Floor Deposit in Melas Chasma http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009381_1720 o Small Cavi and Contact Relationships http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009357_2655 o Small Impact Crater in Cerberus Palus http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_013368_1885 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 5 18:30:01 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Crater Stats Indicate Hidden Population of Asteroids Message-ID: <200908052230.n75MU13W012014@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/23878/ Lunar Crater Stats Indicate Hidden Population of Asteroids Technology Review August 3, 2009 The asymmetric distribution of craters on the Moon may have been caused by an undiscovered population of near Earth asteroids Many moons are locked in synchronous rotation with their mother planets. Examples include the Galilean moons of Jupiter, Neptune's moon Triton and our own Moon. In the 80s and 90s astronomers noticed that the distribution of craters on these objects was asymmetric: they were more heavily cratered on their leading hemispheres which makes sense since it seems obvious that these areas should be struck more often. It wasn't until 2003, however, that the same asymmetric crater distribution was measured on our Moon. Now Takashi Ito at the National Astronomical Observatory in Japan and Renu Malhotra at the University of Arizona have asked an interesting question. of the data. Can the asymmetric distribution of craters on the Moon be explained by the known distribution of near Earth asteroids that are thought to have caused them? Their answer is a cautious "no". To properly explain the crater distribution, Ito and Malhotra say some other factor must have been involved. One possibility is that we simply haven't seen all the craters yet: the ongoing lunar mapping missions may help on that score. Another idea is that the Earth's tidal forces tear Earth-crossing asteroids apart, creating a higher number of impacts than might otherwise be expected. But the most exciting and potentially worrying possibility is that there exists a previously unseen population of near Earth asteroids that orbit the Sun at approximately the same distance as the Earth. These have gone unnoticed because they are smaller or darker than other asteroids, say Ito and Malhotra. "More complete observational surveys of the near-Earth asteroids can test our prediction," they say. And let's not waste too much time about it. By some reckonings, asteroid impacts represent the greatest threat to humankind that we are able to calculate. Ref: arxiv.org/abs/0907.3010 : Asymmetric Impacts of Near-Earth Asteroids on The Moon From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 5 18:37:25 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseid Meteor Outburst Message-ID: <200908052237.n75MbPF5013598@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> Space Weather News for Aug. 4, 2009 http://spaceweather.com POSSIBLE PERSEID METEOR OUTBURST: This year's Perseid meteor shower could be even better than usual. According to NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office, a filament of comet dust has drifted across Earth's path and when Earth passes through it, sometime between 0800 and 0900 UT (1 - 2 am PDT) on August 12th, the Perseid meteor rate could surge to twice its normal value. Check http://spaceweather.com for details and observing tips. PERSEIDS ON YOUR iPHONE: Spaceweather.com is pleased to announce a new iPhone/iPod application dedicated to the upcoming Perseid meteor shower. It features a Perseid countdown clock, news alerts, an easy-to-use sky map, and a live gallery of photos from around the world. Sky watchers of all types will find it a valuable companion when the shower peaks later this month. Learn more: http://spaceweather.com/perseids Download the app: http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=325305245&mt=8 From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 5 18:54:15 2009 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:54:15 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page References: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> Message-ID: Hi, Mike, List, > Who falls for that stuff anyway? Advance Fee Frauds, or 419 scams, collect in excess of half a billion US dollars a year worldwide, of which at least $80 million a year comes frome the US. The Champion US Sucker is an Oregon woman who lose over $400,000 in 2008. Victims have been kidnapped for ransom, murdered, and sometimes turned into criminals themselves. Read all about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance-fee_fraud Sterling K. Webb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Michael Blood" Cc: "Meteorite List" Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page > Hi Michael, > > I received a spam response from the friends page as well. But, I get > so much spam anyway (from the web in general, not your site), that it > didn't bug me. I just deleted it. It was the typical Nigerian type > scam involving millions of dollars, bank transfers, etc. > > Who falls for that stuff anyway? > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > On 8/5/09, Michael Blood wrote: >> Hi all, >> I have been alerted by at least 3 people that a >> Spam mailing, specifically citing my IN DEPTH >> FRIENDS PAGE (kindly hosted by that king of >> Web pages, Paul Harris & his partner in crime, >> The ingenious Jim Tobin) >> First: this particular spam actually cited my >> Page as their source - I assume to "gain" a sense of >> "honesty" or "affiliation." I can think of no other reason >> (unless I get really paranoid and start suspecting someone >> Is ticked at me and wants to taint my endeavors - seams >> Highly unlikely) >> Second: one must realize spammers have a wide >> Arsenal of methods of getting email addresses. Spam >> Is the dog poop on the lawn - yet we all continue to >> Have lawns (except that clever devil, Geoff Notkin, >> Who has sand and cactus). >> Those that want to remove their email address >> >From their IN DEPTH FRIENDS PAGE, go for it - >> You can edit it out just as you edited in any and all >> Information there. HOWEVER, that will be a drop >> In the bucket, as spamming bastards, as I said, will >> Get your email address so many ways it would blow >> Your mind - it starts when you GET an email address, >> Expands when you email ANYONE, visit ANY net >> Site, order anything on the net, receive email, etc. >> Every conceivable method one could think of >> (and MANY one would not think of) is used. >> I would be amazed if there is not an ebook available >> For spammers! >> Anyway, the point is, if you want to edit out your email >> Address you can do so just as you put it in but the effect >> On the amount of spam you receive will likely be unnoticeable. >> Sorry this is how it is. >> Best wishes, Michael >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mlblood at cox.net Wed Aug 5 19:12:22 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:12:22 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] New Friends Up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, You can now see the luminous visages of Gary Fujihara & Greg Stanley at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html Best wishes, Michael PS: On this page no other information than Photo and name (alphabetical by first name to make it Easy to look and see to whom on the list you are writing Or who is posting). PPS: For DETAILED info - up to 5 or 6 photos, URL addresses, A personal Bio. One's email address, or whatever YOU CHOOSE can be reached by going to the URL above and There is a link - then you can edit whatever you want to Post to the more in detail friends pages OR NOT. You MUST, however, be already on the photo/name Friend's Page first to utilize the In Detail Friends Pages. -- -- If Jimmy cracks corn and no one cares, why is there a song about him? -- I thought I saw an eye doctor on an Alaskan island, but it turned out to be an optical Aleutian. From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 5 19:19:51 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:19:51 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page In-Reply-To: References: <009e01ca15ac$1c8a3be0$559eb3a0$@com> Message-ID: For some light and humorous reading, revenge on the scammers: http://www.419eater.com/ http://www.419eater.com/ especially The Trophy Room, and Letters Archive. ---------------------------------------- > From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net > To: meteoritemike at gmail.com; mlblood at cox.net > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:54:15 -0500 > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page > > Hi, Mike, List, > >> Who falls for that stuff anyway? > > Advance Fee Frauds, or 419 scams, collect in excess of > half a billion US dollars a year worldwide, of which at least > $80 million a year comes frome the US. The Champion US > Sucker is an Oregon woman who lose over $400,000 in 2008. > > Victims have been kidnapped for ransom, murdered, > and sometimes turned into criminals themselves. Read > all about it: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance-fee_fraud > > > Sterling K. Webb > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" > To: "Michael Blood" > Cc: "Meteorite List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SPAM from In Depth Friends Page > > >> Hi Michael, >> >> I received a spam response from the friends page as well. But, I get >> so much spam anyway (from the web in general, not your site), that it >> didn't bug me. I just deleted it. It was the typical Nigerian type >> scam involving millions of dollars, bank transfers, etc. >> >> Who falls for that stuff anyway? >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> >> On 8/5/09, Michael Blood wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I have been alerted by at least 3 people that a >>> Spam mailing, specifically citing my IN DEPTH >>> FRIENDS PAGE (kindly hosted by that king of >>> Web pages, Paul Harris & his partner in crime, >>> The ingenious Jim Tobin) >>> First: this particular spam actually cited my >>> Page as their source - I assume to "gain" a sense of >>> "honesty" or "affiliation." I can think of no other reason >>> (unless I get really paranoid and start suspecting someone >>> Is ticked at me and wants to taint my endeavors - seams >>> Highly unlikely) >>> Second: one must realize spammers have a wide >>> Arsenal of methods of getting email addresses. Spam >>> Is the dog poop on the lawn - yet we all continue to >>> Have lawns (except that clever devil, Geoff Notkin, >>> Who has sand and cactus). >>> Those that want to remove their email address >>>>From their IN DEPTH FRIENDS PAGE, go for it - >>> You can edit it out just as you edited in any and all >>> Information there. HOWEVER, that will be a drop >>> In the bucket, as spamming bastards, as I said, will >>> Get your email address so many ways it would blow >>> Your mind - it starts when you GET an email address, >>> Expands when you email ANYONE, visit ANY net >>> Site, order anything on the net, receive email, etc. >>> Every conceivable method one could think of >>> (and MANY one would not think of) is used. >>> I would be amazed if there is not an ebook available >>> For spammers! >>> Anyway, the point is, if you want to edit out your email >>> Address you can do so just as you put it in but the effect >>> On the amount of spam you receive will likely be unnoticeable. >>> Sorry this is how it is. >>> Best wishes, Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> ......................................................... >> Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) >> Member of the Meteoritical Society. >> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com >> FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale >> Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >> eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle >> .......................................................... >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 From mikewren at gilanet.com Wed Aug 5 20:52:16 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:52:16 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Admire/Bondoc References: <1652344814.1546271249516684369.JavaMail.root@sz0101a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8295A0CB-6386-41E2-8F64-88EBF6E30471@gilanet.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: meteoritehunter at comcast.net > Date: August 5, 2009 4:58:04 PM GMT-07:00 > To: mikewren at gilanet.com > Subject: Admire/Bondoc > > Michael, > Can you forward this to the list? > Mike > > > > I have updated my website today with some nice museum pieces, Admire > from > Nininger and ASU collections and Bondoc from the Smithsonian > collection. > I have more pieces than are listed, so if you want something > specific or a > different price range, email me. > > I have many pieces of Bondoc, polished or unpolished, silicate, > pyroxene, or > metal-rich pieces including large metal nodule pieces all with > copies of > Smithsonian label. > > Admire I have both polished and unpolished pieces, ncie crystals and > metal, all > with copies of ASU label. > > http://meteoriteguy.com/catalog/admire.htm > > http://meteoriteguy.com/catalog/bondoc.htm > > > http://www.meteoritehunter.com > > Thanks > Michael Farmer From MeteorHntr at aol.com Wed Aug 5 22:06:12 2009 From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:06:12 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Let's Admire an Ad for Admire on Ebay Message-ID: Hello List, I have been asked to document what Admire Pallasite material is actually worth. Some say under $0.10/g; others say $1.00/g; while still others say $10.00/g and there are buyers that seem to be happy to pay over $50/g in places. But, all those numbers are just guesses. Since so little of Admire has made it onto the retail market in the last 15 years, it is hard to determine what the true fair market value would be nowadays. So I figured the best way to find out would be to start some at $1 on Ebay with no reserve, and see where they end at. I don't want to put up too much up on Ebay all closing on one night, so I am starting the test with 8 various sized pieces in this first Ebay batch from 1.9 grams up to over 2.4 kg. Depending on how these in the first batch go, I will determine how much more I will put up later on Ebay. If some of you would like to see bigger pieces on Ebay, let me know off list. But whatever happens, I should be able to have a documented range of what the market values are for different sized pieces. There was a dilemma I was facing, on whether I wanted to spend my "one AD for the week" here at the start of the auctions, or wait until right before they all close on Saturday to put my one AD up here on the Meteorite List. Since I am doing this round for only a 3 day auction, I figured it would be best to go ahead and get the notice out here at the start so everyone has the time to check them out. Everyone is invited to admire the 8 Admire lots I have up on Ebay here: http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store Remember to bid high and bid often. And don't forget that the object of the game is to see how high you can bid the lots up without getting caught! ;-) Thanks for your consideration. Steve Arnold of "Meteorite Men" From fujmon at mac.com Thu Aug 6 02:46:49 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:46:49 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Update: Interesting crystal in meteorite - a closer look Message-ID: <6782F600-2896-4702-AD60-C0FF8FDF5360@mac.com> Aloha, Monday I introduced to the list, a recently obtained meteorite with a large iridescent crystal visible in its naturally broken face. Yesterday, I walked down to the Geology Department to show the specimen to Dr Ken Hon, who inspected it and took some photomicrographs of the crystal. You can check out what they look like up close here: http://astroday.net/meteorites.html Next step: shipping out the specimen to UH Manoa for analysis ... Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From mikewren at gilanet.com Thu Aug 6 03:36:31 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:36:31 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions Ending Today, Highlights Added, Sale In My Ebay Store, Some Serious Reductions on Select Pieces! Message-ID: <12B8FE0E-05A9-4960-8A8A-B95AE3706105@gilanet.com> Hello Everyone! *Special Note. I will be gone hunting meteorites, most of next week, so I am using up an extra sales "AD" post for this week. In case anyone is keeping track. Also, please pay promptly so I can get your packages out this week. MAKE ME OFFERS on my Best Offer Pieces, I need extra dollars to buy a new meteorite from a rancher next week. If not, well, I will buy it anyway! All auctions can be seen here: Go Here: http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ HIGHLIGHTS FOR 0.99 Cent Auctions: (New) Main Mass, NWA 5537, LL3.5, LTKW 92.65g, A VERY NICE MAIN MASS! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368658366 Rare Type, H3.5, WELLMAN (f), Texas, 12.63g, My LAST Large specimen, a real nice one too! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368657324 Beautiful (New), -NWA 5526, L3, 13.87 gram, Check this one out! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368644933 CANYON DIABLO Individual, IAB Iron, 232 g, pretty nice individual. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368630415 Super Rare BONITA SPRINGS, Florida, 0.85 gram, LAST & ONLY SPECIMEN! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368546490 EADS, Colorado, H4 & Seldom Available, 4.28g, Really nice part slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368543491 Outstanding Silicated-Campo Del Cielo -108g, SUPER COOL! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368540580 Choice Specimen From Northwest Africa-54.03g, Pretty Cool ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368539403 Choice Specimen From Northwest Africa-296g, Really Nice Fusion Crust! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368542437 A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 258g .... BIG http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368545658 Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 7.87g, Nice Lot! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368561038 New Fall- TAMDAKHT, H5, 19.9 gram, With Crust, nice specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368558878 IMILAC, Pallasite Individual From Chile,1.34g- One I found in 1997! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368538566 (New) WILBUR WASH, Az., L6, Slice, 16.54 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368536439 (New) Olivine Diogenite-NWA 5480, 2.47 gram http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368623285 New) CV3, NWA 5546 From Africa, 24.51 gram, This one is sweet! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368642311 Seldom Available TAHOKA, Texas, L5, 3.26 g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368624143 Classic - GOLD BASIN, Arizona, L4, 38.12 g, nice 1/2 stone. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368559846 Rare NWA 2932, Mesosiderite, Nice! 4.54 gram, SUPER COOL NODULE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368627256 VERY NEW) The WEST, Texas Fall, L6, 0.66g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368541489 There are more than what I listed.... THESE ARE DEALS !!! WORTH CHECKING OUT! A Beautiful Slice Of LUEDERS, Silicated 49.9g, A BEAUTY! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368629768 Superb Specimen of SEYMCHAN, Pal, 1174 gram, THERE IS NOT A BETTER 1 kilo ENCUT OUT THERE FOR SALE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200368626492 Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 2,418 gram BIG SPECIMEN FOR CHEAP! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200370309319 A Rare Specimen-1st OFFER of $3500.00 takes it home! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200301383510 Bilanga-1st OFFER OF $600.00 takes it Home! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200366353676 This One is A MUSEUM GRADE INDIVIDUAL- 1st $2500.00 takes it home, contact me about this one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200331667137 First $500.00 Offer wins this one! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200356012400 Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 2594 g, BIG SPECIMEN, REALLY CHEAP! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200370306258 Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 05:43:34 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Collector ethics... Apology In-Reply-To: <523809.91886.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <971345.67359.qm@web55203.mail.re4.yahoo.com> This is a public retraction to my insinuation that Steve was acting unethically regarding his collection as listed on the Encyclopedia of Meteorites website. Steve, I apologize for all the appearance of challenging your ethics. Please accept my apology for doing so. Crow was on my menu tonight. Steve wrote me privately and if I may summarize since it was private he is probably a little frustrated with the situation but had no intention of deceiving anyone. The meteorwongs/meteorsuspects were inadvertently uploaded a long time ago and Steve realized they shouldn't be there but each time he removed them they reappeared. This could have been when the EOM was transfered and used backed up files, whatever. He has tried once again to remove them from the data base of confirmed meteorites. I have also written the IMCA raising a suggestion that they consider a section in the future EOM expansion for suspected meteorites needing an opinion of ID and perhaps an archive section for meteorwrongs retained as a learning tool. I know many of us look at photos of other people's material when we are trying to see what others think of a particular "strange" specimen. Heck, for years that (e.g. eBay) was the only resource most of us had for knowing what "real" meteorites looked like. Going by written descriptions alone, as published as late as 15 years ago, I could make the case for classifying my '68 VW Beetle as an IAB silicated iron! Again sorry for the tempest but the goal pushed forward, I hope, in keeping the EOM limited to confirmed meteorites. Elton From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Thu Aug 6 07:32:09 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:32:09 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lampiayrie - I found a type and deposit mass! Message-ID: <001101ca1689$894e6f70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Hi list! Since days I'm making a radical house-cleaning. (Really - dust, sweat & tears - and no marketing bushwah). Yesterday I found a 25 gram Lampiayrie. If you remember, that was the observed fall in Burkina Faso, where apparently everybody relied on everybody, that he will care for classification - so that in the end nothing happened. So many falls aren't found per year, so I guess we should get the things straight, right? That piece is sufficiently large enough for the required deposit, so I would immolate it for the classification. So that the collectors, who have it the collection, finally can take it out again from the darkest corner of their drawers. So Mike, Marcin and all, who had to do with that fall. Please, I'd need the basic information about tkw, fall place, date ect. Could we gather these data altogether together? Or has meanwhile someone handed in a sample for classification? And who of the classifiers here on the list, would like to make that fall? Best! Martin (PS: Yah, I do a house-cleaning sale too, hundreds of pieces - good ones, bad ones, small ones, large ones, good ones, crappy ones - all starting at zero - though I don't use ebay, but put them up for a slow "auction" in the German meteorite forum. For the thing going more relaxed - cause I need that time for cleaning, and so whenever I find new pieces, I constantly add them to the sale. And without the triple-"b"-clamour. (Blow out, Ballpark, Bargain) If you're interested in taking part in that affair, just send a private email) From gsac at gmx.net Thu Aug 6 08:08:41 2009 From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:08:41 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lampiayrie - I found a type and deposit mass! In-Reply-To: <001101ca1689$894e6f70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <001101ca1689$894e6f70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <20090806120841.23700@gmx.net> > If you remember, that was the observed fall in Burkina Faso, > where apparently everybody relied on everybody, that he will care for > classification - so that in the end nothing happened. > So many falls aren't found per year, so I guess we should get the things > straight, right? > That piece is sufficiently large enough for the required deposit, > so I would immolate it for the classification. > So that the collectors, who have it the collection, finally can take it > out again from the darkest corner of their drawers Great idea - kudos to the man! > I do a house-cleaning sale too, hundreds of pieces - good ones, > bad ones, small ones, large ones, good ones, crappy ones - all starting > at zero - though I don't use ebay, but put them up for a slow "auction" > in the German meteorite forum. For those who can read the German language and would like to follow the auction, this is the link: http://www.jgr-apolda.eu/index.php?topic=4139.0 Just scroll down the pages to find out what it is all about. To see pics of the pieces, you would have to register with the forum, or else contact Martin. This is Euroland, so all the auction proposals summarized every now and then are in Euros, of course.. I haven?t seen such a "relaxed-mood" auction for quite a while, btw, this is why I would like to point at it... Alex Berlin/Germany From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 09:29:06 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 06:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] trade offer Message-ID: <940563.75744.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list.I have a 1.7 kilo whole stone 100% crusted for trade. I am looking for any unclassified or gao stone buttons.Let me know off list. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From cynapse at charter.net Thu Aug 6 12:58:48 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:58:48 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Family portrait of the solar system In-Reply-To: <6782F600-2896-4702-AD60-C0FF8FDF5360@mac.com> References: <6782F600-2896-4702-AD60-C0FF8FDF5360@mac.com> Message-ID: http://kokogiak.com/solarsystembodieslargerthan200miles.html From spacerocksinc at aol.com Thu Aug 6 12:47:17 2009 From: spacerocksinc at aol.com (spacerocksinc at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:47:17 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 8.6.2009 Message-ID: <814617046-1249577221-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1427590285-@bxe1074.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_6_2009.html Thumbed On My BlackBerry From magellon.ken at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 13:38:40 2009 From: magellon.ken at gmail.com (Ken Newton) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:38:40 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? In-Reply-To: References: <219894.39322.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Update: Steve contacted me offline and explained that the suspect items were uploaded years ago and he had since tried to delete them but his efforts had somehow been blocked. I do not doubt his explanation. Steve has been sharing his photos of authentic meteorites and I hope he continues to contribute to the hobby and the meteorite community. Best, ken > Steve, > Since you have contributed to this subject, perhaps you can explain why you > have listed the following suspect items as meteorites in the "stephen > dunklee collection"? > http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=244 > camp acapulcoite > camp diogenite > camp howardite > camp pallasite > camp122006 > Limedale > Mammoth Springs > Do you really think these are meteorites? If 'no', why are they listed > beside real meteorites? > (You once sold self-classifed wrongs on eBay but you stopped) If 'yes', I > suggest this does not improve your image but even calls to question any > legitimate photos that you have supplied to the Met Bull for reference. > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor//MetBullFindphoto.php?credit=stephen+dunklee > > Ken > > From cynapse at charter.net Thu Aug 6 16:00:08 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:00:08 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Treatise on Geochemistry In-Reply-To: References: <6782F600-2896-4702-AD60-C0FF8FDF5360@mac.com> Message-ID: Came across this today: http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/science_books/chemistry/0080437516.html Looks to be a good resource, if the print editions are a bit pricy for you http://www.amazon.com/Treatise-Geochemistry-Ten-Set-1-10/dp/0080437516 From mikewren at gilanet.com Thu Aug 6 16:34:13 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:34:13 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] for those emailing me, bear with my slow internet today... Message-ID: <46A22D6A-CD28-45BD-8CE6-D36C3EE47772@gilanet.com> Hello, I am getting flooded today with offers and emails about stuff, just so happens we have a serious storm raging and my internet is very slow right now...I will answer your offers and emails as fast or as soon as I can... it is soooooooooooo slow right now. Thanks Michael Cottingham From grf2 at comcast.net Thu Aug 6 19:29:10 2009 From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:29:10 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 8.6.2009 References: <814617046-1249577221-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1427590285-@bxe1074.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: SK RULES!! -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:47 PM To: Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 8.6.2009 > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_6_2009.html > > > Thumbed On My BlackBerry > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From epgrondine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 20:02:50 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Man and Impact in the Americas Message-ID: <598646.8436.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all - Since it was mainly comets that hit and killed a lot of people, and my book "Man and Impact in the Americas" is no field guide to unknown fall sites (though it does provide the date for the Campo de Cielo impact), why buy a copy now? Good question. The ear marked NASA budget for detection this year is $5.8 million, in other words as close to $0.00 as NASA can get away with - and you know this is not anywhere near enough. You have watched NASA use a part of its $17,000 million per year to finance some of the world's best PAO's in their attempts to understate the COMET impact hazard. You have watched Morrison use NASA resources to promote his bogus comet injection hypothesis, while suppressing work on Clube and Napier's comet injection model. You have watched bogus the hazard estimates being promoted using your tax dollars. A Cosmic Katrina in the making... You have also watched NASA employees claim that we lack the means for destruction or diversion, statements you know to be lies (even though well intentioned)... All fittng in with the delusions of "life boat Mars" promoted by the g*d d**m f*****G Mars Nuts, who think that the only thing NASA should be spending $100 BILLION on is flying a few men to Mars for a few days. What is that? Maybe 50 out of 6,000,000,000 people living on this planet? While manned Mars flight will be right interesting someday, other things are likely to come first (2022), and once again, the detection budget right now is as close to $0.00 as NASA can get away with. You have watched the former NASA Administrator, an admitted Mars Nut, ignore the direct instructions of the Congress to find these things before they hit. In the meantime, the debris stream of Comet Schwassmann Wachmann 3 is on its way, due in 2022, while NASA continues to pretend that its all going to turn into magic comet dust by some imaginary process, without bothering to warn anyone about the climate effects of cometary dust loads. In other words, NASA using your tax dollars to lie to the American people about a hazard to their lives and well being. And of course there was all that time I spent here defending Hibben's reputation, and arguing about the "black mats" (all of those wonderful rationalizations of denial), all done by me working alone in isolation with stroke damage. (It just feels that way right now, and my thanks to those who helped in dealing with this.) I'd like to remind you all that I recovered some Native American accounts of the Holocene start impacts and printed them up in "Man and Impact in the Americas" long before Firestone and Kennett confirmed them. For that matter, whatever year the USGS cores come in from the Carolina's, the Great Atlantic Mega-tsunami will be confirmed, and the value of "Man and Impact in the Americas" will rise once again. So why buy a copy now? Because I need the money to carry on the good fight: $20 plus $5 shipping US, or plus $15 overseas, for hundreds of pages of small type filled with typos and not enough illustrations. Bottom line, and your purchase now will allow me to continue to hold NASA's feet to the fire until they do the right thing. Your $20 will help to determine how many times that amount of your tax dollars are spent by NASA. While the economies tight, if your anger with this and/or concious does not move you to buy a copy, remember the investment aspect. The bitch is sure to go up in value once it finishes killing me. Further, the rise in price after the next one hits is likely to be significant. Remember, with current detection resources, it could have been the Earth that was surprised instead of Jupiter. If you don't need a copy of "Man and Impact in the Americas" for yourself right now or already have one, the book also makes a wonderful gift for any Native American friends you have or any archaeologists you know. If any of you enjoyed "Man and Impact in the Americas" I would really like to hear from you. typed with one finger of my left hand by a very tired E.P. Grondine PS - I really need someone to take "Man and Impact in the Americas" over from me - some publisher with copy editors, graphic artists, and most importantly, distribution. From leighannedelray at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 22:48:20 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:48:20 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: SIGNED Krinov Sikhote-Alin Book for sale - LOW PRICE Message-ID: <5e97e2850908061948s4ccba1f6pab8acb42e76abf2@mail.gmail.com> Hi Meteorite people (my favorite people), I just wanted to give you all a heads up that I am selling a SIGNED Krinov book, or maybe it should be called a booklet. I have started it out low, and I have put a reserve on it. I was told I would be beaten with a stick if it went for too low, but the reserve is shockingly low for such a rare piece. It is signed by Krinov himself and the inscription is written out to Dr. Brian Mason. Dr. Brain Mason was born in New Zealand in 1917, he's a geochemist and pioneer in the study of meteorites. His extensive list of publications includes "Meteorites" (1962) a standard work in the field. He was a curator at the American Museum of Natural History, and from 1965, curator of meteorites at the Smithsonian Institution, where he is now Curator Emeritus. Thought if anyone would want this it would be someone on this list... Here is the auction site : http://cgi.ebay.com/E-L-Krinov-Sikhote-Alin-Meteorite-Shower-Book-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ250478936618QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiquarian_Collectible?hash=item3a51b5422a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Hopefully that link works properly. I am never very good at these e-mails. Thanks everyone, and have a great evening, Leigh Anne DelRay From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 6 23:42:39 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:42:39 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D Message-ID: Hi, all, An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! (note the full resolution link) http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. Cheers, Pete _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 From damoclid at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 00:02:54 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <808146.54110.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Neat, but the relief is a bit over done for my taste. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Pete Pete wrote: > From: Pete Pete > Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D > To: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:42 PM > > > > Hi, all, > > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! > > (note the full resolution link) > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > > > It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. > > > Cheers, > Pete > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your > inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From geoking at notkin.net Fri Aug 7 00:07:33 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:07:33 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: SIGNED Krinov Sikhote-Alin Book for sale - LOW PRICE In-Reply-To: <5e97e2850908061948s4ccba1f6pab8acb42e76abf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e97e2850908061948s4ccba1f6pab8acb42e76abf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > I just wanted to give you all a heads up that I am selling a SIGNED > Krinov book, or maybe it should be called a booklet. Leigh Anne, on the title page the Russian reads: "Sikhote-Alinski," not "Sikhote-Alin." Are you sure it's legit-ski? Hey, I'm just kidding. What a great score! If this book doesn't meet reserve, please remember it's my birthday in February. I have to come over and take a look at this remarkable item before it sells. Lucky you're my neighbor : ) Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org From lintonius at earthlink.net Fri Aug 7 01:20:39 2009 From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:20:39 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] - AD - Assortment of Irons Message-ID: <612FC0B0F67245D3994194E74DEB1C91@D190TH71> Greetings listees. I have an assortment of irons ending Friday morning on ebay. Four nice Canyon Diablos of modest proportions, a large Campo with nice thumbprints, and an exceptional slice of Muonionalusta with a nice inclusion. Thank you for looking and have a great weekend! Linton http://shop.ebay.com/lintonius/m.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A1205&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_sop=1&_sc=1 From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 7 01:29:35 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:29:35 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: <808146.54110.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <808146.54110.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: WHAAAT?! A 3D picture of an iron meteorite...ON MARS!, and you're critical? Maybe they'll do better for you next time... .....JC! ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:02:54 -0700 > From: damoclid at yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D > > Neat, but the relief is a bit over done for my taste. > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Pete Pete wrote: > >> From: Pete Pete >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D >> To: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" >> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:42 PM >> >> >> >> Hi, all, >> >> An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! >> >> (note the full resolution link) >> >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> >> >> It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Pete >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your >> inbox! >> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 From damoclid at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 01:53:41 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <429260.57076.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Pete Pete wrote: > From: Pete Pete > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D > To: damoclid at yahoo.com, "meteoritelist meteoritelist" > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:29 PM > > > > WHAAAT?! > A 3D picture of an iron meteorite...ON MARS!, and you're > critical? As a professional scientist and photographer, yes. > Maybe they'll do better for you next time... I hope they do. Sure its a meteorite, but it is after all, as far as the image production is concerned, "just another rock". Anaglyphs are one of the oldest 3D techniques and the relief on this one is much too exaggerated that it looks bad. Not very good science either, which is actually the point... Cheers -- Richard From damoclid at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 02:18:03 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite makeup powder Message-ID: <693802.78155.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I wonder what the classification is... http://tinyurl.com/lnws6v -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From jkellybeatty at comcast.net Fri Aug 7 08:02:24 2009 From: jkellybeatty at comcast.net (Kelly Beatty) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:02:24 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B38A12D75F7400C809407B23AB8CD05@NightSkyGuy> folks... > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! > (note the full resolution link) > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html neat photo! can someone please provide an estimate of its mass? the caption says it's 2/3 meter (2 feet) wide. eyeballing it, I get something in excess of 300 kg. clear skies, Kelly **************** J. Kelly Beatty Senior Contributing Editor SKY & TELESCOPE 617-416-9991 SkyandTelescope.com From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Fri Aug 7 08:14:11 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:14:11 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 7, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_7_2009.html __________________________ From bristolia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 08:24:32 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 05:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoritewrongs and Fossil Footprintwrongs Message-ID: <698325.30737.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Friends, Just as newspapers have a habit of reporting all sorts of fanciful and questionable stories about meteoritewrongs, they also have a habit of reporting stories about fossil ?footprintwrongs? without really taking the time and trouble to verify their validity. The latest pseudofossil to make the news comes from British Mysterious footprint found in Hudson's Hope, Energeticcity.ca - ?Aug 4, 2009? http://www.energeticcity.ca/fortstjohn/news/08/04/09/mysterious-footprint-found-hudsons-hope Forgotten footstep? Prince George Citizen, August 5, 2009? http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20090805206197/local/news/forgotten-footstep.html Did gardener find fossilized footprint? by Susan Lazaruk, The Province, August 7, 2009. http://www.theprovince.com/technology/gardener+find+fossilized+footprint/1864762/story.html http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.theprovince.com/technology/gardener+find+fossilized+footprint/1864762/1865689.bin Is Bigfoot's footprint preserved in stone? Calgary Herald, August 6, 2009 http://www.calgaryherald.com/technology/Bigfoot+footprint+preserved+stone/1864077/story.html The alleged footprint is just part of a rock that weathered and eroded faster than the material surrounding it. This resulted in a depression that vaguely looks like a footprint. It must have been a very slow news day. Paleontologists and geologists are plagued with pseudofossils just as much as people collecting and studying meteorites are plagued with meteorwrongs. Each year, I get numerous ones. However, as they say, a person has kiss a lot of frogs before they find either the prince or princess. Best Regards, Paul Heirnich From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 08:47:29 2009 From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:47:29 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoritewrongs and Fossil Footprintwrongs Message-ID: Paul and everyone If I had a Dollar, Pound or Euro for every meteorwrong I have had to deal over the years I could probably have comfortably retired by now. But they are actually useful, well sometimes. I was contacted by someone who thought they had found a meteorite in a stone wall on one of the Orkney Islands. Ever hopeful, I asked him to send me some photos to see if I could make some initial assessments. He very kindly did and, well you can probably guess the outcome, it clearly wasn't a meteorite but some kind of iron slag. However, I passed the images to our archaeologists who were very interested because it was perhaps evidence of early iron working from an area were none had been recorded from previously. As they say as one door closes another one opens! Cheers Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.davidson at nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: 07 August 2009 13:25 To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoritewrongs and Fossil Footprintwrongs Dear Friends, Just as newspapers have a habit of reporting all sorts of fanciful and questionable stories about meteoritewrongs, they also have a habit of reporting stories about fossil ?footprintwrongs? without really taking the time and trouble to verify their validity. The latest pseudofossil to make the news comes from British Mysterious footprint found in Hudson's Hope, Energeticcity.ca - ?Aug 4, 2009? http://www.energeticcity.ca/fortstjohn/news/08/04/09/mysterious-footprint-found-hudsons-hope Forgotten footstep? Prince George Citizen, August 5, 2009? http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20090805206197/local/news/forgotten-footstep.html Did gardener find fossilized footprint? by Susan Lazaruk, The Province, August 7, 2009. http://www.theprovince.com/technology/gardener+find+fossilized+footprint/1864762/story.html http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.theprovince.com/technology/gardener+find+fossilized+footprint/1864762/1865689.bin Is Bigfoot's footprint preserved in stone? Calgary Herald, August 6, 2009 http://www.calgaryherald.com/technology/Bigfoot+footprint+preserved+stone/1864077/story.html The alleged footprint is just part of a rock that weathered and eroded faster than the material surrounding it. This resulted in a depression that vaguely looks like a footprint. It must have been a very slow news day. Paleontologists and geologists are plagued with pseudofossils just as much as people collecting and studying meteorites are plagued with meteorwrongs. Each year, I get numerous ones. However, as they say, a person has kiss a lot of frogs before they find either the prince or princess. Best Regards, Paul Heirnich ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Free Fringe music. Celebrate Homecoming at the National Museum of Scotland 8-30 August. www.nms.ac.uk/music National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. From fujmon at mac.com Fri Aug 7 09:58:13 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:58:13 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-eBay sale on oriented NWA 859, Riker boxes, eyepieces Message-ID: <1E0D2E5A-DACC-435A-8B8E-2D1AA2A68DCD@mac.com> Aloha, I have some items for auction ending Saturday of some oriented NWA 869, and Sunday of Riker boxes, a pocket reflector telescope, Coronado CeMax telescope eyepieces, and (for you musicians and closet axe shredders) a Digitech JamMan looper pedal. Okay, the last one was a bit of a stretch for this meteorite list, but hey meteorites are rocks and you can play rock music with this device ;-) See all the items up for auction here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/fujmon_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ Cherry NWA 869 24.98g http://cgi.ebay.com/Cherry-NWA-869-Meteorite-24-98g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363121935QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b6490f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Cherry NWA 869 23.9g http://cgi.ebay.com/Cherry-NWA-869-Meteorite-23-9g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363122652QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b64bdc&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Oriented NWA 869 5.14g http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Oriented-NWA-869-Meteorite-5-14g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363123616QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b64fa0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Oriented NWA 869 6.05g http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Oriented-NWA-869-Meteorite-6-05g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363124927QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b654bf&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Oriented NWA 869 35.24g http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Oriented-NWA-869-Meteorite-35-24g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363125391QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b6568f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Used Riker Mount Display boxes (lot of 7) http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Riker-Mount-Display-Boxes-Lot-of-7_W0QQitemZ230363487777QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2bbde21&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Lomo Little Mak telescope http://cgi.ebay.com/Lomo-Little-Mak-telescope-slightly-used_W0QQitemZ230363489111QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2bbe357&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 New Coronado CeMax eyepiece set w/ case http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Coronado-CeMax-eyepiece-set-case_W0QQitemZ230363491671QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2bbed57&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Digitech JamMan looper pedal http://cgi.ebay.com/Digitech-JamMan-Looper-Pedal_W0QQitemZ230364111944QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item35a2c56448&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 ... and much more. Many of the items have starting bids of, and are still at 99?. Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From hraab at aon.at Fri Aug 7 10:49:51 2009 From: hraab at aon.at (Herbert Raab) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:49:51 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Donation for Richard Kowalski - last day! Message-ID: <4A7C5B2F.20570.A4C3B@hraab.aon.at> Hello everyone, just a short reminder that today is the last day where donations are collected which will enable use to get a sample of the Almahata Sitta meteorite for Richard Kowalski, discoverer of 2008 TC3, the meteorite's parent body. At the moment, we have collected US$ 935,--, and with a few more donations, we may be able to reach the one- thousand dollar mark. :-) To see the current amount or to send your donation trouh PayPal, please go to this site: http://www.astrometrica.at/kowalski.html Many, many thanks to thos weho have already contributed, and those who will do so today! Cheers, Herbert From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 7 12:10:57 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:10:57 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sale Meteorite auctions ending on ebay this weekend NWA 982 AHOW, Kaufman L5 Texas, Dawn (a) H6 Texas, Canyon Diablo Iron, Wagon Mound L6, NWA 753-Kem Kem R3.9 Rumuruti 19.7 grams, Ourique Portugal, Kunya-Urgench, NWA 104 L6 13.2 gms, Davy (a) L4, NWA Message-ID: Hello fellow Meteorite Collectors, I hope you're having a great weekend! I have 19 meteorites listed on ebay and there are a few ending Sunday evening. Please have a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-982-Meteorite-AHOW-60-g-IMCA-Extremely-RARE- http://cgi.ebay.com/Kaufman-Meteorite-L5-Texas-5-5-gms-IMCA-1893-Nice-COA_ http://cgi.ebay.com/Dawn-a-Meteorite-H6-Texas-6-5-gms-IMCA-1981-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/CANYON-DIABLO-Meteorite-IRON-3-2-gms-IMCA-1897-COA- http://cgi.ebay.com/WAGON-MOUND-Meteorite-L6-6-4-gms-IMCA-New-Mexico- http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-753-KEM-KEM-Meteorite-R3-9-Rumuruti-19-7g-IMCA- http://cgi.ebay.com/OURIQUE-Meteorite-Portugal-1-24g-COA-IMCA-Nice-H4- http://cgi.ebay.com/Kunya-Urgench-Meteorite-76g-COA-IMCA-Nice-H5-1998- http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-104-Meteorite-L6-Chondrite-13-2-g-IMCA- http://cgi.ebay.com/Davy-a-Meteorite-L4-Texas-4-8-gms-IMCA-1940-TCU- http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-801-Meteorite-CR2-Carbona-Chondrite-2-30g-IMCA- http://cgi.ebay.com/ZAG-Meteorite-H-3-6-Chondrite-5-567g-IMCA-COA-End- http://cgi.ebay.com/Uvalde-Meteorite-H5-Texas-6-gms-IMCA-1915-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/Uvalde-Meteorite-H5-Texas-244-gms-IMCA-1915-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/LONG-ISLAND-Meteorite-Kansas-2-17-g-COA-IMCA-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/OVERLAND-PARK-Meteorite-Kansas-1-6gms-COA-IMCA-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/HOPE-CREEK-Meteorite-9-1g-COA-IMCA-LL6-RARE- http://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-Meteorite-Iron-IIE-Sili-Australia-70g-COA- http://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-Meteorite-Iron-IIE-Sili-Australia-460g-COA- NWA 982 AHOW, Kaufman L5 Texas, Dawn (a) H6 Texas, Canyon Diablo Iron, Wagon Mound L6, NWA 753-Kem Kem R3.9 Rumuruti 19.7 grams, Ourique Portugal, Kunya-Urgench, NWA 104 L6 13.2 gms, Davy (a) L4, NWA 801 CR2, Zag H 3-6, Two Uvalde from Texas, Long Island from Kansas and Overland Park from Kansas, Two specimens of Miles .70 grams, and .460 grams from Australia , Please have a look at my ebay seller's page by clicking the link here. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/searchingforfun_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZHappy hunting and clear skies!Have a great rest of the weekend!Brian CoxIMCA #6387searchingforfun is my ebay User Id From bristolia at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 13:01:59 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] PDF Files of Meteorite Papers in Smithsonian Digital Repository Message-ID: <732056.55916.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Friends, There are a number of meteorite papers to be found in the Smithsonian Digital Repository at: http://si-pddr.si.edu/dspace/ For example, go look at: http://si-pddr.si.edu/dspace/simple-search?query=Meteorite Yours, Paul H. From leighannedelray at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 13:41:51 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:41:51 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 7, 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e97e2850908071041v6b02c066x5379870628e94252@mail.gmail.com> Great photo, I love this! On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:14 AM, wrote: > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_7_2009.html > > > > > > > > __________________________ > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From leighannedelray at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 14:28:58 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:28:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: SIGNED Krinov Sikhote-Alin Book for sale - LOW PRICE In-Reply-To: References: <5e97e2850908061948s4ccba1f6pab8acb42e76abf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e97e2850908071128k473d8dffv50e42e36888df165@mail.gmail.com> Geoff, I am pretty sure it is Legit-ski, hee hee. I would wrap it up with a big bow and give it to you for your b-day, but it is not really mine. And I am happy to announce that it has already met its reserve in only the first few hours!!!! WOW! I thought that reserve was really low! Anyway, happy bidding everyone! Oh, and by the way, a portion of the proceeds of this auction goes to the "Leigh Anne DelRay Root Canal Fund", so know that that is a good cause. :) Good day Everyone. ~Leigh Anne On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Notkin wrote: > Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > >> I just wanted to give you all a heads up that I am selling a SIGNED >> Krinov book, or maybe it should be called a booklet. > > > Leigh Anne, on the title page the Russian reads: "Sikhote-Alinski," not > "Sikhote-Alin." Are you sure it's legit-ski? > > Hey, I'm just kidding. What a great score! If this book doesn't meet > reserve, please remember it's my birthday in February. > > I have to come over and take a look at this remarkable item before it sells. > Lucky you're my neighbor ?: ) > > > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 7 14:57:58 2009 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:57:58 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D References: <5B38A12D75F7400C809407B23AB8CD05@NightSkyGuy> Message-ID: Hi, Kelly, List, We can see that the shape is roughly what we would expect for an iron that could survive to arrive in one piece on a planetary surface. The criteria are: low entry velocity, shallow entry angle, and a flattened broad shape. This iron is a flattened rectangle with a mild central bulge. This is not a shape that ablation would create, so it must be only slightly modified from the pre-entry shape. It's very similar to the aerodynamic designs called "lifting bodies." http://members.fortunecity.com/gvanroy1/homebuilt/facetmobile01.jpg We can assume a density of 7.7 gr cm^3 for meteoric iron. With dimensions of roughly 60-65 cm x 35-40 cm x 20-25 cm, with sides faceted at 30-40 degrees, I come up with a mass range of 310 kg to 360 kg as most likely. (I made the assumption that the bottom is symmetrical with the top, as the iron is standing up off the surface about the same distance as the height of the visible upper bulge.) Too heavy to drag home. I don't even think we could get it into the 4x4, assuming this not BLM land, that is... Sterling K. Webb ------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Beatty" To: "'meteoritelist meteoritelist'" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Must-see Martian in 3-D > folks... > > >> An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! >> (note the full resolution link) >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > > > neat photo! can someone please provide an estimate of its mass? the > caption > says it's 2/3 meter (2 feet) wide. eyeballing it, I get something in > excess of > 300 kg. > > > clear skies, > Kelly > > **************** > J. Kelly Beatty > Senior Contributing Editor > SKY & TELESCOPE > 617-416-9991 > SkyandTelescope.com > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mail at mhmeteorites.com Fri Aug 7 16:57:12 2009 From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:57:12 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-8900g Fukang Message-ID: <20090807135712.wv9rw0ro8co8kkw4@webmail.mhmeteorites.com> I have an 8900g block of Fukang, perfect for slicing on Ebay. Will listen to all offers. See here: From aidmohamed at rocketmail.com Fri Aug 7 18:59:11 2009 From: aidmohamed at rocketmail.com (Aid Mohamed) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: achondrites for sale Message-ID: <270289.53110.qm@web111203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello List I hope all have a nice day, I have some achondrites for sale, enjoy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34600337 at N07/ who's interessing contact me off the list Best wishes Aid __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cdtucson at cox.net Fri Aug 7 12:54:01 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 9:54:01 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> Pete, List, Very interesting photo. I have a question about it's morphology? Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I thought Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of surface materials? It was my understanding that the material ablated away as it passed through the atmosphere . If that is so then why does it look the same on Mars. Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it entered Mars' atmosphere? Just curious. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- Pete Pete wrote: > > > > Hi, all, > > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! > > (note the full resolution link) > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > > > It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. > > > Cheers, > Pete > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 7 19:07:01 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:07:01 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sale Meteorites on ebay ending this weekend, 19 total Meteorite Specimens Message-ID: <68834CBE6C33487BBE01EA96DE4F5D93@user6e6e286533> Hello fellow Meteorite Collectors, I hope you're having a great weekend! I have 19 meteorites listed on ebay and there are a few ending Sunday evening. Please have a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-982-Meteorite-AHOW-60-g-IMCA-Extremely-RARE- http://cgi.ebay.com/Kaufman-Meteorite-L5-Texas-5-5-gms-IMCA-1893-Nice-COA_ http://cgi.ebay.com/Dawn-a-Meteorite-H6-Texas-6-5-gms-IMCA-1981-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/CANYON-DIABLO-Meteorite-IRON-3-2-gms-IMCA-1897-COA- http://cgi.ebay.com/WAGON-MOUND-Meteorite-L6-6-4-gms-IMCA-New-Mexico- http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-753-KEM-KEM-Meteorite-R3-9-Rumuruti-19-7g-IMCA- http://cgi.ebay.com/OURIQUE-Meteorite-Portugal-1-24g-COA-IMCA-Nice-H4- http://cgi.ebay.com/Kunya-Urgench-Meteorite-76g-COA-IMCA-Nice-H5-1998- http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-104-Meteorite-L6-Chondrite-13-2-g-IMCA- http://cgi.ebay.com/Davy-a-Meteorite-L4-Texas-4-8-gms-IMCA-1940-TCU- http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-801-Meteorite-CR2-Carbona-Chondrite-2-30g-IMCA- http://cgi.ebay.com/ZAG-Meteorite-H-3-6-Chondrite-5-567g-IMCA-COA-End- http://cgi.ebay.com/Uvalde-Meteorite-H5-Texas-6-gms-IMCA-1915-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/Uvalde-Meteorite-H5-Texas-244-gms-IMCA-1915-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/LONG-ISLAND-Meteorite-Kansas-2-17-g-COA-IMCA-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/OVERLAND-PARK-Meteorite-Kansas-1-6gms-COA-IMCA-Nice- http://cgi.ebay.com/HOPE-CREEK-Meteorite-9-1g-COA-IMCA-LL6-RARE- http://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-Meteorite-Iron-IIE-Sili-Australia-70g-COA- http://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-Meteorite-Iron-IIE-Sili-Australia-460g-COA- NWA 982 AHOW, Kaufman L5 Texas, Dawn (a) H6 Texas, Canyon Diablo Iron, Wagon Mound L6, NWA 753-Kem Kem R3.9 Rumuruti 19.7 grams, Ourique Portugal, Kunya-Urgench, NWA 104 L6 13.2 gms, Davy (a) L4, NWA 801 CR2, Zag H 3-6, Two Uvalde from Texas, Long Island from Kansas and Overland Park from Kansas, Two specimens of Miles .70 grams, and .460 grams from Australia , Please have a look at my ebay seller's page by clicking the link here. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/searchingforfun_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ Happy hunting and clear skies! Have a great rest of the weekend! Brian Cox IMCA #6387 searchingforfun is my ebay User Id From meteoritemike at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 19:33:56 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:33:56 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Oriented UNWA w/ flowlines, rare micros, LDG, Diablo Display, and more! Message-ID: Hi List, I am cleaning out some surplus inventory from my store inventory and from my personal cabinet. All prices below include shipping to anywhere in the US - Canada/Overseas shipping is extra. Super bargain deal - get all 22 micromounts listed below, plus every item on this sale list (including the museum-quality pieces) for $600 shipped to anywhere in the US. (Canada or Overseas will be extra) Feel free to contact me offlist with any questions or requests - meteoritemike at gmail.com Thanks for looking and clear skies! MikeG ------------------------------------------ Micromount clearance - these are the last specimens of these particular falls/finds that I have. Some of these have not been weighed. Contact me for weights or photos if interested. All micros include gemjar and label. Bjurbole (L/LL4 fall) - $10 - (fragments and chondrules) Holbrook (L/LL6 hammer fall) - $10 - (480mg with crust) Norton County (aubrite fall) - $10 (fragments) Sulagiri (LL6 fall) - $10 - (fragments) NWA 801 (CR2 find) - $10 - (25mg fragments) NWA 1459 (OD find) - $10 - (fragments) NWA 4295 (EL6/7 find) - $10 - (part slice) NWA 2968 (achon-anom find) - $15 - (1mg fragment) Weston (H4 hammer fall) - $15 - (fragments) Willamette (iron find) - $10 (shale fragments) Zagami (Shergottite fall) - $15 - (fragments and dust) Take all of the above clearance micros for $60 shipped (CONUS), $70 shipped to Canada and Overseas. ------------------------------------------ Micromount sale - selected micros at reduced prices. All micros include gemjar and label. Carancas (H4-5 hammer fall) - $5 - (fragments and dust) Chergach (H5 fall) - $5 - (small part slices and crusted fragments) Gao Guenie (H5 hammer fall) - $5 - (small crusted fragments) Ghubara (L5 find) - $5 - (fragments) Gold Basin (L4 find) - $5 - (fragments) NWA 869 (L4-6 find) - $5 - (nice little endcuts and slices) NWA 2126 (eucrite find) - $6 (nice part slices) Oum Dreyga (H3-5 fall) - $5 - (350mg thin part slice) Sikhote Alin (iron fall) - $5 - (nice shrapnel piece) Tamdakht (H5 fall) - $5 - (fragments, some crusted) Zag (H3-6 fall) - $5 - (fragments, some crusted) Take one of each for $40 shipped (CONUS), or $50 shipped to Canada and Overseas. --------------------------------------------- Museum-quality and Aesthetic Display Specimens - All of the prices below include US shipping unless otherwise noted. - Big Libyan Desert Glass - 87 grams yellow/green with tiny spheroid inclusions - $80 shipped. Canyon Diablo Crater Kit - 60 gram Diablo iron, crater rim rock, shocked quartz sand, label, photo, Riker - $75 shipped (CONUS), $85 Canada/Overseas. Nice UNWA stony chondrite - dark wind polish, 107 grams, $15 shipped. Superb Oriented Heat-Shield UNWA - flowlines, 100% dark remnant crust, 90 grams, chondrule-rich - $225 shipped. MAPS Journals (Meteoritics and Planetary Science) - 3 recent issues available, $10 each. Huge Sudbury Shattercone - 682 grams with metal display label - $50 shipped. Moon Rock and Mars Rock Display - labelled lunar and martian meteorite micromounts in a Riker box - $60 shipped (CONUS) Decaturville Impact Structure - breccia endcut, 136 grams - $20 shipped. Wells Creek Crater - shattercone cluster, 192 grams - $25 shipped. Meteorite Collector Kit - digital scale, 1cm cube magnet, 10x loupe, bonus UNWA meteorite - $25 shipped (US), $30 Canada and Overseas. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From grf2 at comcast.net Fri Aug 7 19:51:07 2009 From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:51:07 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> Message-ID: <76C1823432054822B231502DB14E610C@ASUS> It sure does look rather tortured -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:54 PM To: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" ; "Pete Pete" Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D > Pete, List, > Very interesting photo. > I have a question about it's morphology? > Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? > Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I thought > Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of surface > materials? It was my understanding that the material ablated away as it > passed through the atmosphere . If that is so then why does it look the > same on Mars. > Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it entered > Mars' atmosphere? > Just curious. > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > > ---- Pete Pete wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, all, >> >> An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! >> >> (note the full resolution link) >> >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> >> >> It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Pete >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! >> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cynapse at charter.net Fri Aug 7 20:59:37 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:59:37 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: <76C1823432054822B231502DB14E610C@ASUS> References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> <76C1823432054822B231502DB14E610C@ASUS> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:51:07 -0400, you wrote: >It sure does look rather tortured > But it never broke! From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 7 20:43:05 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Triple Asteroid System Triples Observers' Interest (Asteorid 1994 CC) Message-ID: <200908080043.n780h5bc006183@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=2259 Triple Asteroid System Triples Observers' Interest Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 06, 2009 Radar imaging at NASA's Goldstone Solar System Radar on June 12 and 14, 2009, revealed that near-Earth asteroid 1994 CC is a triple system. Asteroid 1994 CC encountered Earth within 2.52 million kilometers (1.56 million miles) on June 10. Prior to the flyby, very little was known about this celestial body. 1994 CC is only the second triple system known in the near-Earth population. A team led by Marina Brozovic and Lance Benner, both scientists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., made the discovery. 1994 CC consists of a central object about 700 meters (2,300 feet) in diameter that has two smaller moons revolving around it. Preliminary analysis suggests that the two small satellites are at least 50 meters (164 feet) in diameter. Radar observations at Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico, led by the center's director Mike Nolan, also detected all three objects, and the combined observations from Goldstone and Arecibo will be utilized by JPL scientists and their colleagues to study 1994 CC's orbital and physical properties. The next comparable Earth flyby for asteroid 1994 CC will occur in the year 2074 when the space rock trio flies past Earth at a distance of two-and-a-half million kilometers (1.6 million miles). Of the hundreds of near-Earth asteroids observed by radar, only about 1 percent are triple systems. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 7 20:51:14 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Recommaissance Orbiter Safe After Computer Swap Message-ID: <200908080051.n780pENZ009213@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-118 Orbiter Safe After Computer Swap Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 07, 2009 Mars Recommaissance Orbiter Mission Status Report PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is in safe mode, a precautionary standby status, and in communications with Earth after unexpectedly switching to its backup computer on Thurs. Aug. 6. Engineers are working to determine the cause of the spontaneous swap from the orbiter's "A" side computer and subsystems to the redundant "B" side. They have successfully increased the communication rate from the orbiter, but some engineering data about what was occurring just before the side swap may never be available. The team expects it will be at least several days until normal science operations resume. The event has some similarities with, but also differences from, two earlier instances of the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter spontaneously swapping sides. Jim Erickson, Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., said, "The spacecraft is safe, with good temperatures and battery charge and with solar panels properly facing the sun. The flight team is cautiously taking steps to bring it back to normal operations." The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has been studying Mars with an advanced set of instruments since 2006. It has returned more data about the planet than all other past and current missions to Mars combined. Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov 2009-118 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 7 20:53:31 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: August 3-7, 2009 Message-ID: <200908080053.n780rVl1010265@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES August 3-7, 2009 o Channels (Released 03 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090803a o Crater Delta (Released 04 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090804a o Richardson Crater (Released 05 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090805a o Richardson Crater (Released 06 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090806a o Kaiser Crater (Released 07 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090807a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 7 20:54:58 2009 From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D (3225)) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:54:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> Message-ID: I've been wondering if someone would ask that... Kinda looks like Imilac, eh? On 8/7/09 9:54 AM, "cdtucson at cox.net" wrote: > Pete, List, > Very interesting photo. > I have a question about it's morphology? > Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? > Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I thought > Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of surface materials? It > was my understanding that the material ablated away as it passed through the > atmosphere . If that is so then why does it look the same on Mars. > Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it entered Mars' > atmosphere? > Just curious. > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > > ---- Pete Pete wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, all, >> >> An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! >> >> (note the full resolution link) >> >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> >> >> It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Pete >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! >> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From grf2 at comcast.net Fri Aug 7 22:13:52 2009 From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:13:52 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42><76C1823432054822B231502DB14E610C@ASUS> Message-ID: The other half is out of the frame -------------------------------------------------- From: "Darren Garrison" Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:59 PM To: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D > On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:51:07 -0400, you wrote: > >>It sure does look rather tortured >> > > But it never broke! > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From eric at meteoritesusa.com Sat Aug 8 01:16:39 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:16:39 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Really Cool Desktop Wallpaper Message-ID: <4A7D0A37.70109@meteoritesusa.com> Happy meteorite day! http://www.wallpaperlinux.com/v/FreeLinuxWallpaper/Free+Linux+Cosmic+Wallpapers+Development+as+Freedom.jpg.html? Regards, Eric Oh yeah... my second meteorite anniversary was 2 days ago. 2 years in the wonderful world of meteorites. Oh how far we've come... From schroer at bigpond.com Sat Aug 8 03:16:04 2009 From: schroer at bigpond.com (W&S Schroer) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:46:04 +0930 Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay Message-ID: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> Hi List, this is my first posting and I've decided start off with another one of those foul smelling ebay eggs. Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/0-8kg-Round-Meteorite_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef755a0c3QQitemZ270437556419QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f15QQsalenotsupported According to Wikipedia, quote 'Stupidity, or dumbness, is the property a person, action or belief instantiates by virtue of having or being indicative of low intelligence or poor learning abilities.' Cheers Werner Schroer From fujmon at mac.com Sat Aug 8 10:46:39 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:46:39 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-eBay sale on oriented NWA 869, Riker boxes, eyepieces Message-ID: Aloha, I have some items for auction ending TODAY of some oriented NWA 869, and Sunday of Riker boxes, a pocket reflector telescope, Coronado CeMax telescope eyepieces, and (for you musicians and closet axe shredders) a Digitech JamMan looper pedal. Okay, the last one was a bit of a stretch for this meteorite list, but hey meteorites are rocks and you can play rock music with this device ;-) See all the items up for auction here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/fujmon_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ Cherry NWA 869 24.98g http://cgi.ebay.com/Cherry-NWA-869-Meteorite-24-98g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363121935QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b6490f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Cherry NWA 869 23.9g http://cgi.ebay.com/Cherry-NWA-869-Meteorite-23-9g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363122652QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b64bdc&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Oriented NWA 869 5.14g http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Oriented-NWA-869-Meteorite-5-14g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363123616QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b64fa0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Oriented NWA 869 6.05g http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Oriented-NWA-869-Meteorite-6-05g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363124927QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b654bf&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Oriented NWA 869 35.24g http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Oriented-NWA-869-Meteorite-35-24g-Awesome_W0QQitemZ230363125391QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2b6568f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Used Riker Mount Display boxes (lot of 7) http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Riker-Mount-Display-Boxes-Lot-of-7_W0QQitemZ230363487777QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2bbde21&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Lomo Little Mak telescope http://cgi.ebay.com/Lomo-Little-Mak-telescope-slightly-used_W0QQitemZ230363489111QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2bbe357&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 New Coronado CeMax eyepiece set w/ case http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Coronado-CeMax-eyepiece-set-case_W0QQitemZ230363491671QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2bbed57&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 Digitech JamMan looper pedal http://cgi.ebay.com/Digitech-JamMan-Looper-Pedal_W0QQitemZ230364111944QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item35a2c56448&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1043 ... and much more. Most of the items are still priced very low - a perfect time to score some deals! Peace and poi. Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 8 11:28:25 2009 From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:28:25 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay Message-ID: <2F43ABCABA3C4B06AE86E007470529F1@ET> Werner: I'm going to chant my zen mantra: Looks terrestrial to me! Phil Whitmer From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 8 11:33:21 2009 From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:33:21 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay Message-ID: <133570BBF7604B718B904D1293B7D9EE@ET> Round, no crust or classification, and priced at a mere 45,000 Astronomical Units! Phil Whitmer From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 8 11:44:06 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:44:06 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay In-Reply-To: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> References: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> Message-ID: I hope he obtained all the export permits. ---------------------------------------- > From: schroer at bigpond.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:46:04 +0930 > Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay > > Hi List, > this is my first posting and I've decided start off with another one of > those foul smelling ebay eggs. > Check this out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/0-8kg-Round-Meteorite_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef755a0c3QQitemZ270437556419QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f15QQsalenotsupported > > According to Wikipedia, quote 'Stupidity, or dumbness, is the property a > person, action or belief instantiates by virtue of having or being > indicative of low intelligence or poor learning abilities.' > > Cheers > > Werner Schroer > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 13:12:16 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:12:16 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay In-Reply-To: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> References: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> Message-ID: Hi Werner, Welcome to the List. :) The seller obviously doesn't realize or care that by selling an Australian meteorite on the open market, he/she may be breaking Australian law. If a bidder from outside the country wins the auction, the seller is forbidden by law to ship the item outside of Australia's borders without an export permit. Of course, this item is NOT a meteorite, so the law doesn't apply. Best regards, MikeG On 8/8/09, W&S Schroer wrote: > Hi List, > this is my first posting and I've decided start off with another one of > those foul smelling ebay eggs. > Check this out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/0-8kg-Round-Meteorite_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef755a0c3QQitemZ270437556419QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f15QQsalenotsupported > > According to Wikipedia, quote 'Stupidity, or dumbness, is the property a > person, action or belief instantiates by virtue of having or being > indicative of low intelligence or poor learning abilities.' > > Cheers > > Werner Schroer > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sat Aug 8 14:08:27 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:08:27 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 8, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_8_2009.html __________________________ From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 8 14:18:02 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] freebies Message-ID: <377754.12274.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list. I hope all are doing well. All freebies from last week are all in the mail. Congrats to all who got them. I have 3 more to givaway if interested. They are 3 unclassed complete stones.55,66 and 81 grams.Chime in quick.I will be gone for about an hour.When I get back the first 3 people I see will get them. I am also getting used to my new tattoo. It is an eye opener and conversation piece.Pics upon demand. And no it did not hurt at all:) ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From magellon.ken at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 15:03:41 2009 From: magellon.ken at gmail.com (Ken Newton) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:03:41 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay In-Reply-To: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> References: <5AA5F0DEEAE8436F971756E14855011B@WERNER> Message-ID: Hi Werner, Welcome to the List! What a really neat round meteorite! Does the brown rock come with it? ;>) Best, Ken On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:16 AM, W&S Schroer wrote: > Hi List, > this is my first posting and I've decided start off with another one of > those foul smelling ebay eggs. > Check this out: > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/0-8kg-Round-Meteorite_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef755a0c3QQitemZ270437556419QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f15QQsalenotsupported > > According to Wikipedia, quote ?'Stupidity, or dumbness, is the property a > person, action or belief instantiates by virtue of having or being > indicative of low intelligence or poor learning abilities.' > > Cheers > > Werner Schroer > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From countdeiro at earthlink.net Sat Aug 8 15:08:38 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay Message-ID: <29727041.1249758518110.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thank for the laughs, Werner...and good on ya! Count Deiro -----Original Message----- >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >Sent: Aug 8, 2009 1:12 PM >To: W&S Schroer >Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay > >Hi Werner, > >Welcome to the List. :) > >The seller obviously doesn't realize or care that by selling an >Australian meteorite on the open market, he/she may be breaking >Australian law. If a bidder from outside the country wins the >auction, the seller is forbidden by law to ship the item outside of >Australia's borders without an export permit. > >Of course, this item is NOT a meteorite, so the law doesn't apply. > >Best regards, > >MikeG > >On 8/8/09, W&S Schroer wrote: >> Hi List, >> this is my first posting and I've decided start off with another one of >> those foul smelling ebay eggs. >> Check this out: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/0-8kg-Round-Meteorite_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef755a0c3QQitemZ270437556419QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f15QQsalenotsupported >> >> According to Wikipedia, quote 'Stupidity, or dumbness, is the property a >> person, action or belief instantiates by virtue of having or being >> indicative of low intelligence or poor learning abilities.' >> >> Cheers >> >> Werner Schroer >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > >-- >......................................................... >Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) >Member of the Meteoritical Society. >Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com >FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale >Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle >.......................................................... >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From countdeiro at earthlink.net Sat Aug 8 15:14:18 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] freebies Message-ID: <27145405.1249758858292.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Steve and List, I used to pay .25 at Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey Circus sideshows to see the "Tatooed Lady" when I was a kid, so I gotta see the free tatoo! Count Deiro -----Original Message----- >From: steve arnold >Sent: Aug 8, 2009 2:18 PM >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] freebies > >Hi list. I hope all are doing well. All freebies from last week are all in the mail. Congrats to all who got them. I have 3 more to givaway if interested. They are 3 unclassed complete stones.55,66 and 81 grams.Chime in quick.I will be gone for about an hour.When I get back the first 3 people I see will get them. I am also getting used to my new tattoo. It is an eye opener and conversation piece.Pics upon demand. And no it did not hurt at all:) >?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From aknoefel at minorplanets.de Sat Aug 8 15:28:00 2009 From: aknoefel at minorplanets.de (=?iso-8859-1?q?=41=6e=64=72=e9=20=4b=6e=f6=66=65=6c?=) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:28:00 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton memorial now in the sky Message-ID: <200908081928.n78JS0WY028342@post.webmailer.de> Richard Norton has now a memorial in the sky: the minor planet 163800 has the official name 'Richardnorton' Citation for (163800) The following citation is from Minor Planet Circular 66728: (163800) Richardnorton = 2003 QS69 O. Richard Norton (1937-2009) authored many popular books and articles about meteorites. He worked at several planetaria in the U.S.A. and designed the first 35-mm fish-eye planetarium motion-picture system. (163800) Richardnorton Epoch 2009 June 18.0 TT = JDT 2455000.5 MPC M 109.44328 (2000.0) P Q n 0.23636745 Peri. 103.27990 +0.78136992 -0.58632929 T = 2454537.47822 JDT a 2.5906631 Node 293.02690 +0.44379434 +0.76283353 q = 2.0625761 e 0.2038424 Incl. 13.42841 +0.43875691 +0.27258572 P 4.17 H 15.5 G 0.15 U 2 >From 105 observations at 4 oppositions, 1999-2007, mean residual 0".54. Last observed on 2009 Jan. 26. Discovery date : 2003 08 26 Discovery site : Drebach Discoverer(s) : Knofel, A. Regards Andr? From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 15:49:52 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:49:52 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton memorial now in the sky In-Reply-To: <200908081928.n78JS0WY028342@post.webmailer.de> References: <200908081928.n78JS0WY028342@post.webmailer.de> Message-ID: Hi Andre, Thanks for sharing this. It is a fitting tribute. :) What is the mean visual magnitude of this object? Can it be seen with an amateur instrument? Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/8/09, Andr? Kn?fel wrote: > Richard Norton has now a memorial in the sky: the minor planet 163800 has > the official name 'Richardnorton' > > > Citation for (163800) > The following citation is from Minor Planet Circular 66728: > > (163800) Richardnorton = 2003 QS69 > O. Richard Norton (1937-2009) authored many popular books and articles > about meteorites. He worked at several planetaria in the U.S.A. and > designed > the first 35-mm fish-eye planetarium motion-picture system. > > > (163800) Richardnorton > > Epoch 2009 June 18.0 TT = JDT 2455000.5 MPC > M 109.44328 (2000.0) P Q > n 0.23636745 Peri. 103.27990 +0.78136992 -0.58632929 > T = 2454537.47822 JDT > a 2.5906631 Node 293.02690 +0.44379434 +0.76283353 > q = 2.0625761 > e 0.2038424 Incl. 13.42841 +0.43875691 +0.27258572 > P 4.17 H 15.5 G 0.15 U 2 > >From 105 observations at 4 oppositions, 1999-2007, mean residual 0".54. > > Last observed on 2009 Jan. 26. > > Discovery date : 2003 08 26 > Discovery site : Drebach > Discoverer(s) : Knofel, A. > > > Regards > > Andr? > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sat Aug 8 15:40:10 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 08 Aug 2009 19:40:10 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton memorial now in the sky Message-ID: Hello Andr? and List, > Richard Norton has now a memorial in the sky: the minor > planet 163800 has the official name 'Richardnorton' > (163800) Richardnorton = 2003 QS69 So very well deserved as Richard and his books inspired so many of us and showed us the way to a lasting love for all things celestial! All the very best to this List and to Richard's wife Dorothy, Bernd From aknoefel at minorplanets.de Sat Aug 8 15:59:39 2009 From: aknoefel at minorplanets.de (=?iso-8859-1?q?=41=6e=64=72=e9=20=4b=6e=f6=66=65=6c?=) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:59:39 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton memorial now in the sky Message-ID: <200908081959.n78JxdQ1021795@post.webmailer.de> Hello Mike, at present the magnitude of (163800) Richardnorton is 21.4mag - very faint... In the next opposition the magnitude reach only 20.1mag but in 2011 (end of July) the brightness will be around +18.5mag. Regards Andr? ----- original message -------- Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton memorial now in the sky Sent: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks > Hi Andre, > > Thanks for sharing this. It is a fitting tribute. :) > > What is the mean visual magnitude of this object? Can it be seen with > an amateur instrument? > > Best regards and clear skies, > > MikeG > > On 8/8/09, Andr? Kn?fel wrote: > > Richard Norton has now a memorial in the sky: the minor planet 163800 has > > the official name 'Richardnorton' > > > > > > Citation for (163800) > > The following citation is from Minor Planet Circular 66728: > > > > (163800) Richardnorton = 2003 QS69 > > O. Richard Norton (1937-2009) authored many popular books and > articles > > about meteorites. He worked at several planetaria in the U.S.A. and > > designed > > the first 35-mm fish-eye planetarium motion-picture system. > > > > > > (163800) Richardnorton > > > > Epoch 2009 June 18.0 TT = JDT 2455000.5 MPC > > M 109.44328 (2000.0) P Q > > n 0.23636745 Peri. 103.27990 +0.78136992 -0.58632929 > > T = 2454537.47822 JDT > > a 2.5906631 Node 293.02690 +0.44379434 +0.76283353 > > q = 2.0625761 > > e 0.2038424 Incl. 13.42841 +0.43875691 +0.27258572 > > P 4.17 H 15.5 G 0.15 U 2 > > >From 105 observations at 4 oppositions, 1999-2007, mean residual 0".54. > > > > Last observed on 2009 Jan. 26. > > > > Discovery date : 2003 08 26 > > Discovery site : Drebach > > Discoverer(s) : Knofel, A. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Andr? > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > --- original message end ---- From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Sat Aug 8 15:58:55 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:58:55 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Russ Finney Message-ID: Russ, Please contact me off list. Better yet, call. -mt From mlblood at cox.net Sat Aug 8 16:10:33 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:10:33 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Actual Meteorite ID In-Reply-To: <4A7D0A37.70109@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: A friend sent me a question: What is the official name of Kem Kem: >> Origin or pseudonym: Kem Kem >> Place of purchase: Rissani >> Date: P Jan 2006 >> Mass (g): 12 kg >> Pieces: many >> Class: R3.9 Please respond to the list as I am sure Others want to know. (this also prevents 27 People taking the effort - first one nails it. Thanks, all, Michael From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 16:22:54 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:22:54 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Actual Meteorite ID In-Reply-To: References: <4A7D0A37.70109@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: NWA 755? On 8/8/09, Michael Blood wrote: > A friend sent me a question: > What is the official name of Kem Kem: > >>> Origin or pseudonym: Kem Kem >>> Place of purchase: Rissani >>> Date: P Jan 2006 >>> Mass (g): 12 kg >>> Pieces: many >>> Class: R3.9 > Please respond to the list as I am sure > Others want to know. (this also prevents 27 > People taking the effort - first one nails it. > Thanks, all, Michael > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sat Aug 8 16:14:21 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 08 Aug 2009 20:14:21 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem R3.9 Message-ID: > NWA 755? Almost! See here: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=R3.9&sfor=types&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=%28Northwest+Africa%29&srt=name&categ=Rumuruti+chondrites&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=no&code=17827 Bernd From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 16:29:19 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:29:19 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem R3.9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Aaaah, you are right as always Bernd! :) 753 is a R3.9 and 755 is a R3.7 I wonder if there is any chance they are paired in some way? Was there ever a definitive answer on that? On 08 Aug 2009 20:14:21 UT, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote: >> NWA 755? > > Almost! > > See here: > > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=R3.9&sfor=types&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=%28Northwest+Africa%29&srt=name&categ=Rumuruti+chondrites&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=no&code=17827 > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sat Aug 8 16:30:01 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 08 Aug 2009 20:30:01 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 753 (R3.9) and NWA 755 (R3.7) Message-ID: Mike wonders: "I wonder if there is any chance they are paired in some way?" Judging from what the Met.Bull. says, I'd say no, they are not paired: NWA 753: S2; W2 with sulfides well preserved NWA 755: S2; W4 with most sulfides destroyed Best wishes, Bernd From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 8 19:45:44 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:45:44 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 753 (R3.9) and NWA 755 (R3.7) Message-ID: Hi Bernd, Mike and all, They both have pseudonyms of Kem Kem and found/purchased in 2000. How do you know which is which? Anyway, I thought NWA 001 was AKA Kem Kem. Oh well. Carl >Mike wonders: "I wonder if there is any chance they are paired in some way?" Judging from what the Met.Bull. says, I'd say no, they are not paired: NWA 753: S2; W2 with sulfides well preserved NWA 755: S2; W4 with most sulfides destroyed Best wishes, Bernd _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From cynapse at charter.net Sat Aug 8 21:40:41 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:40:41 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/aug/08/ben-bova-wasted-opportunity-space/ Ben Bova: Wasted opportunity in space By BEN BOVA Posted August 8, 2009 at 5:03 p.m. A couple of weeks ago we celebrated the 40th anniversary of our first landing on the moon. Forty years. We put a dozen astronauts on the moon between 1969 and 1972. And then we stopped. Washington killed the Apollo program. How far would we have progressed in space if we hadn?t stopped? What could we have accomplished if we kept moving forward? First, I want to get rid of the shibboleth about space operations being so expensive. I know NASA?s budget of some $15 billion is a hefty piece of change, but in reality space is one of the smallest government programs. All the money we have spent on NASA since the agency was founded in 1958 doesn?t equal two years? worth of funding for the Defense Department or the Department of Health and Human Services. And look at what we?ve gotten back for that investment! Home computers, satellite TV and weather observation, GPS systems, new fabrics and metal alloys, medical scanners, microminiaturized electronics that we use in everything from cell phones to heart pacemakers. Space technology has pumped trillions of dollars into the American economy, made millions of new jobs. Space is the greatest bargain the American taxpayer has had since the Louisiana Purchase. What if we had pushed ahead as vigorously after July 20, 1969, as we had in the years before the first lunar landing? To begin with, we?d have a small city in orbit by now: a space station where hundreds of people live and work. One of the station?s main functions would be repairing and refurbishing satellites in space. When a multimillion-dollar satellite breaks down because a battery has died or its gyros have malfunctioned, maintenance personnel based at the space station would go out and repair it. Much more economical than building and launching a whole new satellite. Industrial operations would be conducted in orbit, where the free solar energy, near-zero gravity and cleanliness of the vacuum environment would permit manufacturing metal alloys, pharmaceuticals and other specialized products of unprecedented purity. The United States could have become the world?s leader in specialized metal alloys, stronger than anything that can be manufactured on Earth, yet lighter. Scientists would flock to space laboratories to study everything from astronomy to low-gravity metallurgy. Tourists would go up, try the zero-gee ?honeymoon hotel,? among other delights. Construction crews would be building solar-power satellites. Converting sunlight to electricity in high orbits where they?re always in sunshine, powersats would be beaming hundreds of gigawatts of clean electricity to receiving stations on the ground, making the U.S. the world?s energy leader. The raw materials for such construction would come from the moon, most likely. The lunar crust is rich in aluminum, silicon, titanium and other valuable resources. And launching payloads from the surface of the moon ?down? to Earth orbit is more than 20 times cheaper than lifting the same tonnages from Earth. There would be a new industrial revolution taking place in space, a revolution that would make new fortunes and establish new industries. One of the industries benefitted would be transportation. With a solid and expanding market for launch services, private companies would get into the rocket-launching business in a major way. And the rockets they develop to carry people and payloads into orbit efficiently and reliably could also be used to fly people across the world at hypersonic speeds ? New York to Australia in an hour or less. Transportation and electric power are both multitrillion-dollar industries. We could have been a world leader in both, had we pushed ahead vigorously in space after 1969. Developing mining and manufacturing sites on the moon would lead to permanent settlements there. How would you like to retire to a place where gravity is only one-sixth of what it is on Earth? Or to a zero-gravity facility in orbit? You could lead a much longer and more active life without Earth?s heavy gravity pulling you down every moment of every day. With some of the profits from space industries, we could afford to send explorers to Mars and elsewhere, to learn what the other worlds of our solar system are like, and to search for life ? either extinct or still viable. There are whole worlds to explore out there, and the knowledge we gain from them could change the way we think and behave toward each other. Between Mars and Jupiter lies the asteroid belt, a region strewn with millions upon millions of smaller bodies of rock and ice. The asteroid belt could be the bonanza of the 21st century, the richest lode of metals and minerals ever discovered. One smallish metal asteroid, about the size across of a Little League baseball field, holds several trillion dollars worth of high-grade iron ore, plus many other metals ? including many tons of gold, silver and platinum. There?s a banquet of unimaginable riches in space, waiting for us to go out and make the human race wealthier than we could ever be if we remain nailed down to the surface of the Earth. Even more important, perhaps, we would have the technology to divert asteroids or comets that threaten to crash into the Earth. A rock the size of Manhattan Island slammed into the Yucatan area some 65 million years ago, killing the dinosaurs and half of all the other life forms on Earth. There are lots of other rocks that could drive us into extinction if they strike the Earth. If we had kept pushing our space technology vigorously after 1969, today we would be able to find them early enough to divert them away from us. A strong space program is vital to our economic well-being, to our understanding of the universe and to the very survival of our civilization and our species. We?ve wasted the past four decades. Let?s not waste the next 40 years. Naples resident Ben Bova is the author of more than 120 books, including ?The Return,? his latest futuristic novel. Bova?s Web site address is www.benbova.com From MeteorHntr at aol.com Sat Aug 8 23:07:09 2009 From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:07:09 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Let's Admire an Ad for Admire on Ebay Message-ID: Hello List, Well, I guess we found out that Admire is worth between $0.22/g and $18.95/g depending on several factors most of which can be related to size. I am quite pleased with how well these sold, so I will be putting more Admire lots up on Ebay in the next few days, again starting at $1 with no reserve. We will see if tonight's prices were just a fluke of if they will be maintained as such over time. Thanks goes out to all of you that bid those up and to those of you who purchased. Steve Arnold of "Meteorite Men" *************** In a message dated 8/5/2009 9:06:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, MeteorHntr at aol.com writes: Hello List, I have been asked to document what Admire Pallasite material is actually worth. Some say under $0.10/g; others say $1.00/g; while still others say $10.00/g and there are buyers that seem to be happy to pay over $50/g in places. But, all those numbers are just guesses. Since so little of Admire has made it onto the retail market in the last 15 years, it is hard to determine what the true fair market value would be nowadays. So I figured the best way to find out would be to start some at $1 on Ebay with no reserve, and see where they end at. I don't want to put up too much up on Ebay all closing on one night, so I am starting the test with 8 various sized pieces in this first Ebay batch from 1.9 grams up to over 2.4 kg. Depending on how these in the first batch go, I will determine how much more I will put up later on Ebay. If some of you would like to see bigger pieces on Ebay, let me know off list. But whatever happens, I should be able to have a documented range of what the market values are for different sized pieces. There was a dilemma I was facing, on whether I wanted to spend my "one AD for the week" here at the start of the auctions, or wait until right before they all close on Saturday to put my one AD up here on the Meteorite List. Since I am doing this round for only a 3 day auction, I figured it would be best to go ahead and get the notice out here at the start so everyone has the time to check them out. Everyone is invited to admire the 8 Admire lots I have up on Ebay here: http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store Remember to bid high and bid often. And don't forget that the object of the game is to see how high you can bid the lots up without getting caught! ;-) Thanks for your consideration. Steve Arnold of "Meteorite Men" **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From schroer at bigpond.com Sun Aug 9 00:24:11 2009 From: schroer at bigpond.com (W&S Schroer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:54:11 +0930 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" Message-ID: <5A7B738BFC02444E91955B558DA6FDDF@WERNER> Hi list, even tough some of the statements are a bit far fetched I basically agree with Ben Bova's contribution. Yes, the world would look different today if the American people would have elected politicians with a vision and not - for instance - a second class actor playing first class a third class president. But the same applies to the country where I lived in those years, namely Germany. But why change a system that works fine for those on the bottom of the list of the poorest people in the world? We have seen what has happened to those who've tried to implement major changes to our society, the Kennedy brothers, M.L. King, M. Ghandi, the list goes on and on..... For decades the excuse was that the 'evil empire' called Soviet Union would kill us all if we don't stay on top of them by building more and more unimaginably destructive and costly weapons. And then a miracle happened and the iron curtain came down and most of us thought that finally there will be peace on this earth and mankind could do all the wonderful things Ben Bova mentioned in his posting. But no, it was not supposed to be. Suddenly, long before the horrible event now simply known as 9/11 happened, we were at war with Iraq, our soldiers were and still are dying in Afghanistan, and some years later, 9/11 was used to justify the killing of hundreds of thousand of innocent people who had nothing to do with the attack but were unfortunate enough to be sitting on one of the richest oil reserves in the world. The former 'evil empire' was replaced with the' axis of evil' and now we are apparently threatened by several smaller countries, one of them belonging to the top of the list I mentioned earlier. So why should our governments change the way they spend our money? It seems nothing has changed and we still need to be on top of not only Russia but now on top of the 'axis of evil' as well if we want to survive in this world. We are allowing governments to spend a huge slice of their GDPs on funding the so called 'Defence Departements' because we all want to be safe and we therefore can see a need for the huge costs involved. And because a Dollar is only a Dollar and cannot be stretched into two, science in general has to pay the price. And as long a high percentage of our society still believes in Astrology, in Occultism and countless other equally unproven nonsense, and as long there is not enough pressure from the voters, there will be no change in any government's policies. Many years ago, long before the arrival of the internet, I spend a warm night on a blanket with a new girlfriend somewhere in the desert in Outback Australia. After seen the stars once or twice we turned over and actually looked at them and when I tried to explain to my new-found love that practically all those countless stars out there are suns like the one that brightens up our skies on a regular basis, she told me that I was nuts because that was the dumbest thing she'd ever heard. Needless to say that this night turned out to be a one-night stand. It's up to us to change this world by voting for people with vision and new ideas. We shouldn't allow NASA to spend billions on the seemingly obvious next big thing, that is putting man on mars. Haven't we learned anything at all? There is no vision behind a plan like that. We should take one step after the other and spend our money on projects that generate an income so that private industries become involved too. Like many others I already own a tiny piece of Mars, so there is no need at this stage for anybody to go out there and return with a few more rocks, robots can do that much cheaper and more efficient. I hope the Obama administration will come up with a plan once this financial mess is behind us. And maybe, just maybe, we eventually will spend the necessary Dollars on trying to find those large rocks out there that will put an end to everything, because it's not a question of if, but a question of when they come and when they will come it doesn't matter where you are on the scale of the poorest people in the world. Cheers Werner Schroer From schroer at bigpond.com Sun Aug 9 03:01:44 2009 From: schroer at bigpond.com (W&S Schroer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:31:44 +0930 Subject: [meteorite-list] clarification Message-ID: Hi list, I had no intentions to offend anyone by voicing my opinion about American presidents and I thought I made it clear that I was not talking about any particular government when I wrote about 'our' governments in general. I know we should stay away from politics on the list but it is hard to avoid political statements when one wants to talk about the lack of funding to science in general and I think that's what the subject was all about in the original posting. Again, my response was to Darren Garrison's posting where he listed a statement by Ben Bova who in turn made some highly political statements. So I say sorry to anyone who feels offended by my posting. Being a newcomer to the list I'm still trying to learn the tricks of the trade and since English is my second language only I might not find the correct expressions sometimes and the meaning of what I'm trying to say gets slightly distorted.. Werner Schroer From mlblood at cox.net Sun Aug 9 04:25:42 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 01:25:42 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Darren, I could not agree more. This is an excellent example of two or Three factors (at least). 1) Senators, Congress and the Executive branches of government a. Do NOT understand economics worth a damn. b. Are more often than not following ONLY the "first rule" Of elected office: get yourself re-elected. c. Senators and Congress persons, when not exclusively following #b above are concentrated on ONLY THEIR STATE and not the well being of the country. d. In addition to the above, most are also obsessed with gaining personal wealth and power. 2) The American people are equally or more so ignorant of economics And are blind to the influence that 12 or so years of the moon race Yielded for this country - and not just the "conveniences" but a PROFOUND Influence on our economy. 3) Politicians - particularly those who occupy the seat of the President, Tend to look almost exclusively at the next 4 years - or 8 if they are a "visionary" (or confident in being re elected) and do not want to "rock the Boat" by shattering the ignorance of their colleagues and definitely not Of their voters. We saw it when Clinton settled for "Don't ask, don't tell" and for "only" half the old forest being logged. Now, when we need an 80 t0 90% shift to renewable power and the economic stimulus & job creation that would implement it instead we get a limp wristed, "20% shift in the next 10 years!" That is like trying to put out a forest fire by getting everyone to join the fire department and piss on the fire. We saw it with nearly every president we have ever had. Kennedy Was bold and led where we NEEDED to go - not where we thought we Wanted to go. Teddy Roosevelt nearly single handedly established ALL The national parks - AND created a country (Panama) and built the Panama Canal (not that I condone Imperialism - but it was insane for Reagan to "give the canal back.") Harry Truman personally wrote a ton of letters responding to average Americans who wrote him - and used stamps he bought, himself to post them. He met with people in power who "demanded" things be done that were not in the overall interest of the country and told them to go to hell - of course, that was a primary reason he was not re-elected. After office, he refused to take numerous very high paying positions offered him, stating, "You don't want me. You want an American President, and the Presidency is not for sale!" I wonder if we will ever see that kind of integrity ever again. I wouldn't hold my breath on a meaningful space program. The "people" are too ignorant to call for it and the "leadership" is lacking In leadership. Too bad. Best wishes, Michael On 8/8/09 6:40 PM, "Darren Garrison" wrote: > And look at what we?ve gotten back for that investment! Home computers, > satellite TV and weather observation, GPS systems, new fabrics and metal > alloys, > medical scanners, microminiaturized electronics that we use in everything from > cell phones to heart pacemakers. > > Space technology has pumped trillions of dollars into the American economy, > made > millions of new jobs. Space is the greatest bargain the American taxpayer has > had since the Louisiana Purchase. From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sun Aug 9 07:45:55 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:45:55 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Blue Book Message-ID: <002001ca18e6$f4f45b40$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Hello list, only a short note, because here and there members ask for the Blue Book and because it might end below the usual rates of the antiquarian booksellers. Within my clean-out sales, I set up for sale also my personal copy of Bevan, Graham, Hutchison's: Catalogue of Meteorites - the 1985er edition. Has a Haag-stamp too. Currently at 21$. Just contact me privately, if you want to bid. as well if you're interested in one of the other lots. The first ones are gone already, mixed results, some at real bargain prices. And maybe there are some lots interesting also for the new and hungry dealers, e.g. combos of diverse micros, good for retailing piece by piece on ebay, or something like some unprepared slices of names (Polujamki 300g for instance, cause I saw that now all Polujamki seems to have gone on the dealers pages). The lots you'll find here (first 22 are already sold) http://www.jgr-apolda.eu/index.php?topic=4139.0 Well names, data and weights, you're be able to recognize without knowing German. Pictures are visible only, if logged in - so just give me a hint and I will email you the respective photos or if you need further details and information. Permanently more will be added and it's a kind of Anti-Ebay. No last-second-bidder-battles, but all civilized and comfy. Prizes in the from time to time actualized bid-lists are in Euro. 1 Euro = 1.42$ Have a fine Sunday! Martin From almitt at kconline.com Sun Aug 9 08:29:23 2009 From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitt) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 08:29:23 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" In-Reply-To: <5A7B738BFC02444E91955B558DA6FDDF@WERNER> References: <5A7B738BFC02444E91955B558DA6FDDF@WERNER> Message-ID: <328270CD02204DBBB2ECA924A51EB097@StarmanPC> Greetings to all, The last few posts are dealing with politics. It has no place on this forum. Regardless of how or what you believe and how things should be, lets talk about meteorites and keep things that are not related to the subject, and are going to lead to some more infighting. I understand that politics can influence certains aspects of our hobby but things can be handled better than cheap swipes at people that were or are in office. There are plenty of places to go on the internet if you want to talk about those subjects. Take it away from here. --AL Mitterling From pshugar at clearwire.net Sun Aug 9 10:23:08 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:23:08 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] follow up on Kem Kem Message-ID: <77F0DA6B43614679B480992F569D295B@laptop> Hello www.planetbrey.com still has some Kem Kem for sale that is the same as what I have. Check the left side about half way down. Pete From pshugar at clearwire.net Sun Aug 9 10:14:19 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:14:19 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] re Kem Kem Message-ID: Hello, I don't mean to stir up a hornet's net ---- but........... I was told, by who I don't remember, that Kem Kem was a generic name for what we now know as NWA. I have a 3.56 gm part slice of Kem Kem and it is a H5 from Dahara, Morocco. It was found in August of 1999. My piece came from Planetbrey Meteorites. It has a dark matrix with lots of small metal flakes and a brown fusion crust that has white soil on one end. This doesn't sound like what you guys are talking about. I doubt this is a fake. This is real meteorite material. Any help here???? Pete IMCA 1733 From countdeiro at earthlink.net Sun Aug 9 10:33:02 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 07:33:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" Message-ID: <27578785.1249828382309.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Salva List! I can only imagine the immediate "carpet bombing" Werner got after posting his political musings. I almost toggled on him myself, but his immediate "recalibration" of the remarks made it unnecessary and Al's "take it away from here" post says it all.... Count Deiro -----Original Message----- >From: al mitt >Sent: Aug 9, 2009 5:29 AM >To: Meteorite List >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" > >Greetings to all, > >The last few posts are dealing with politics. It has no place on this forum. >Regardless of how or what you believe and how things should be, lets talk >about meteorites and keep things that are not related to the subject, and >are going to lead to some more infighting. > >I understand that politics can influence certains aspects of our hobby but >things can be handled better than cheap swipes at people that were or are in >office. > >There are plenty of places to go on the internet if you want to talk about >those subjects. Take it away from here. > >--AL Mitterling > > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 11:35:33 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 08:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] oriented stones/ or any oriented buttons Message-ID: <61416.92336.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list.Of all the people who saw my new tattoo,thanks for comments. I am looking for any stone or iron meteorite oriented pieces plus buttons.I am willing to trade my 1.2 kilo jalu for some great piece.Please off list! ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From paul at meteorite.com Sun Aug 9 11:51:41 2009 From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 08:51:41 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-Times August Issue Now Up Message-ID: <4A7EF08D.1090006@meteorite.com> Hello Everyone, The August issue of Meteorite-Times is now up. A Very Big Thank You to all the writers for taking up their Summer free time to contribute. http://www.meteorite-times.com/ Enjoy! Paul and Jim From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 11:53:31 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:53:31 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ben Bova riffs with "what ifs" In-Reply-To: <328270CD02204DBBB2ECA924A51EB097@StarmanPC> References: <5A7B738BFC02444E91955B558DA6FDDF@WERNER> <328270CD02204DBBB2ECA924A51EB097@StarmanPC> Message-ID: My email filters automatically remove anything with politics or religion. (not kidding, I have them set up that way) If a particular list member keeps testing my filters, they get their very own filter and then they disappear as well. Filters rock. On 8/9/09, al mitt wrote: > Greetings to all, > > The last few posts are dealing with politics. It has no place on this forum. > Regardless of how or what you believe and how things should be, lets talk > about meteorites and keep things that are not related to the subject, and > are going to lead to some more infighting. > > I understand that politics can influence certains aspects of our hobby but > things can be handled better than cheap swipes at people that were or are in > office. > > There are plenty of places to go on the internet if you want to talk about > those subjects. Take it away from here. > > --AL Mitterling > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From drtanuki at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 12:46:22 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] re Kem Kem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <647421.42610.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Pete, Michael Casper sold several kilos (perhaps hundreds) as Kem Kem or Ken Ken. I have two very large masses and went to the site of find in 1998 or so. Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Pete Shugar wrote: > From: Pete Shugar > Subject: [meteorite-list] re Kem Kem > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:14 PM > Hello, > I don't mean to stir up a hornet's net ---- but........... > I was told, by who I don't remember, that Kem Kem > was a generic name for what we now know as NWA. > I have a 3.56 gm part slice of Kem Kem and it is a H5 > from Dahara, Morocco. It was found in August of 1999. > My piece came from Planetbrey Meteorites. > It has a dark matrix with lots of small metal flakes and a > brown fusion crust that has white soil on one end. > This doesn't sound like what you guys are talking about. > I doubt this is a fake. This is real meteorite material. > Any help here???? > Pete IMCA 1733 > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From nuuska at dlc.fi Sun Aug 9 12:56:28 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:56:28 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] re Kem Kem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7EFFBC.4030109@dlc.fi> Think too, "Kem Kem" was used as a pseudonyme for several metorites before NWA-time. best, pekka s From archive; http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com/msg63276.html Pete Shugar kirjoitti: > Hello, > I don't mean to stir up a hornet's net ---- but........... > I was told, by who I don't remember, that Kem Kem > was a generic name for what we now know as NWA. > I have a 3.56 gm part slice of Kem Kem and it is a H5 > from Dahara, Morocco. It was found in August of 1999. > My piece came from Planetbrey Meteorites. > It has a dark matrix with lots of small metal flakes and a brown > fusion crust that has white soil on one end. > This doesn't sound like what you guys are talking about. > I doubt this is a fake. This is real meteorite material. > Any help here???? > Pete IMCA 1733 > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.48/2292 - Release Date: 08/09/09 08:08:00 > > -- Pekka Savolainen Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Rasala FINLAND member of IMCA #5776 www.imca.cc From epgrondine at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 13:08:23 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] The need to find impactors before they hit Message-ID: <308830.20952.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all - In response to Darren's post of the Bova piece, I am not going to get political, nor historical, nor talk about launch costs or other technical issues. But what I must mention is that adequate detection of the most dangerous impactors - and here I mean specifically both Long Period Comets and small dead comet fragments, is going to require the use of space based assets. In other words, you have to find them before you can divert or destroy them. This is a real problem, not an imaginary one, and further a real problem that is unavoidable. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sun Aug 9 13:21:51 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 09 Aug 2009 17:21:51 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Ice Age Impact Message-ID: Hello Folks, Sky & Tel, Sep 2009, pp. 20-25, Ice Age Impact: Did a comet wipe out early North Americans and the huge beasts they hunted? (by Ivan Semeniuk) If you don't have a S & T subscription but are interested in finding out what may have happened about 13,000 years ago, you should soon get your copy on your newsstand: - So says Shakespeare's Macbeth - Demise of the megbeasts - Where's the crater? - Will diamonds tell the tale? In Ivan Semeniuk's article you'll meet and listen to scientists and meteoriticists whose names most of us are familiar with: Allen West, James Kennett, Mark Boslough, Ted Bunch, Clark Chapman and you'll read about the Columbian mammoth, about saber-toothed cats, about the Clovis people, about a possible smoking gun (the so-called "dark mat", a dark layer in sedimentary rock in Murray Springs, Arizona), about elevated iridium levels, fullerene molecules, hexagonal nanodiamonds, and much more. I really enjoyed that article and it is definitely a must-read! Cheers from Germany, Bernd From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 13:36:27 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:36:27 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] The need to find impactors before they hit In-Reply-To: <308830.20952.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <308830.20952.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi E.P. and List, I agree 100% here. Right now, as a species, all of our proverbial eggs are in one delicate basket. We are extremely vulnerable to extinction-level impacts. We should stop wasting money warring with each other, unite as a species, and spread ourselves out amongst the stars. Until that time comes, we are essentially playing a big game of cosmic chicken with potential impactors....and asteroids don't blink. ;) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/9/09, E.P. Grondine wrote: > > Hi all - > > In response to Darren's post of the Bova piece, I am not going to get > political, nor historical, nor talk about launch costs or other technical > issues. > > But what I must mention is that adequate detection of the most dangerous > impactors - and here I mean specifically both Long Period Comets and small > dead comet fragments, is going to require the use of space based assets. In > other words, you have to find them before you can divert or destroy them. > > This is a real problem, not an imaginary one, and further a real problem > that is unavoidable. > > E.P. Grondine > Man and Impact in the Americas > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From pshugar at clearwire.net Sun Aug 9 13:55:20 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:55:20 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Message-ID: There must be a way to see your own posts. Back when I first got on the list, I could do it, but now it's a thing of the past---or---I forgot how I did it. People have told meto go to the preferences page and I can do it from there. Been there and done that. I need specifics please----I can't figure it out. Pete IMCA 1733 From damoclid at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 14:13:31 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] The need to find impactors before they hit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <163507.44061.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We're rapidly closing in on the goal of the original Spaceguard, detecting 90% of NEOs 1-km and larger, if we have not already achieved that goal... We have found NO civilization ending, or mass extinction capable impactors and the chances of finding one are rapidly diminishing. That's not to say we won't find one, just that is is becoming more unlikely. A proposed space based NEO survey is NEO-VIS http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006DPS....38.4507R but it has not received much attention, much less any real funding due to cost and budget constraints. "Dead" comets will continue to be found during the normal operations of the Catalina Sky Survey, and its sister survey LINEAR. We are the only two programs left in operation worldwide. We have zero capability to deal with a Long Period comet if one is found to be an impactor, now and well into the foreseeable future, so the question becomes, do you need several years to make peace with your god or are a couple of years sufficient? -- Richard Kowalski From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 15:31:10 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay items - Last slice of NWA 5799 Message-ID: <866420.47022.qm@web46416.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi to all, I have alot of nice meteorites on ebay - including the very last slice of the LL4 meteorite NWA 5799. I will not offer anymore of this for sale as I will only have the 191 gram main mass left. You can see what I have for sale here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 Hope everyone has a good day, thanks for looking. Greg C. PS. I will be in Florida (taking the kids to Disney) until the 15th, so There may be a delay in mailing items. From cdtucson at cox.net Sun Aug 9 16:05:51 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:05:51 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics Message-ID: <20090809160551.X29DT.25318.imail@fed1rmwml40> Enjoy. http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax From pshugar at clearwire.net Sun Aug 9 19:55:56 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:55:56 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Test Message-ID: <8A29D0EAC8A74702852C9CC1DC1E39F7@laptop> Please delete From mike at meteoriteguy.com Sun Aug 9 19:52:30 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics In-Reply-To: <20090809160551.X29DT.25318.imail@fed1rmwml40> Message-ID: <60680.70249.qm@web1110.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Carl, This is a meteorite list. Why do you keep posting this unrelated crap? Anyone who wants to see such things can go to youtube any day of the week and find them. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with meteorites. Michael Farmer --- On Sun, 8/9/09, cdtucson at cox.net wrote: > From: cdtucson at cox.net > Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics > To: "meteoritelist" > Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 2:05 PM > Enjoy. > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mike at meteoriteguy.com Sun Aug 9 19:54:53 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] TEST Message-ID: <30511.33809.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> TEST From mike at meteoriteguy.com Sun Aug 9 20:49:39 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Wesbsite update, Ash Creek adventure page Message-ID: <272623.51986.qm@web1104.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/adventures.htm Hi everyone, after years of neglecting my adventure pge, I have finally started to update it. First new page is Ash Creek (West) fall. Please take a look and let me know if there are any mistakes or problems with the page. I plan to post more adventures as I can get them done. Michael Farmer From mike.hankey at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 20:45:50 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 20:45:50 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics In-Reply-To: <20090809160551.X29DT.25318.imail@fed1rmwml40> References: <20090809160551.X29DT.25318.imail@fed1rmwml40> Message-ID: wow, that is really incredible. thanks for posting this. i would have never looked on youtube for pictures like this and I appreciate the cross over. amazing pictures. On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, wrote: > Enjoy. > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com Sun Aug 9 20:48:53 2009 From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 20:48:53 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] impactacite question. Message-ID: Hi List, About a year ago I posted the list for some of you to view an interesting breccia I had found. Several people took a look at my photos and agreed the stuff was quite interesting but no conclusions were drawn. Does any one want to look at some pics and tell me if this material is a possible impactacite and, who I could send a sample to? A year ago I had found only two stones and no more. Since then the state has started a highway widening project fronting my land and they are moving a couple million cubic yards out of a hill side and spreading in on low spots (some on my land). This has opened up acres of pool table smooth fresh digs to look over. (While dodging the earth moving equipment!) I have found many more samples. I am wondering if it is worth the effort to look for more. About 14 thousand years ago Lake Bonneville drained through the valley here and deposited quite a variety of materials all the way from Utah. This breccia is found down low in the valley and I can not find any on the exposed canyon walls or up on the shelf. This leads me to think it was deposited in the Great Bonneville Wash Out. I know this sounds crazy, but have there been any theories of Lake Bonneville (The Great Salt Lake) having an impact origin??? Email me to view a few pics and share your opinion. Thanks, Tom Phillips **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From mike at meteoriteguy.com Sun Aug 9 21:25:20 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ash creek page corrected Message-ID: <354103.36111.qm@web1113.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I have fixed the link on the name, and embedded the you tube video, let me know if there are any other problems. thanks Michael Farmer From bencubbin at hotmail.com Sun Aug 9 21:43:32 2009 From: bencubbin at hotmail.com (Howard Steffic) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:43:32 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics In-Reply-To: <60680.70249.qm@web1110.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <20090809160551.X29DT.25318.imail@fed1rmwml40> <60680.70249.qm@web1110.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Why isn't Al Mitterling complaining about this off-topic BS like he was with the NASA dicussion yesterday? Could it be that he was really just offended by the reminder of the right-wing republican policies that put an end to trips to the moon and beyond? I do remember that Bush suggested going to Mars but that was just a ploy to get people to talk about sometning other than his failed domestic and foreign policies. Dave Chapelle had a great skit about it. Maybe it would make a good youtube watch if it is there. Howard Steffic > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:52:30 -0700 > From: mike at meteoriteguy.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; cdtucson at cox.net > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics > > > Carl, > This is a meteorite list. Why do you keep posting this unrelated crap? > Anyone who wants to see such things can go to youtube any day of the week and find them. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with meteorites. > > Michael Farmer > > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, cdtucson at cox.net wrote: > >> From: cdtucson at cox.net >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics >> To: "meteoritelist" >> Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 2:05 PM >> Enjoy. >> http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm >> -- >> Carl or Debbie Esparza >> IMCA 5829 >> Meteoritemax >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 9 22:11:17 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 21:11:17 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] finding post by Author on list Message-ID: <173EC6723D4847ECB719A583FCB2C94C@user6e6e286533> Pete, I went to the website, see here is the link. You click, for example, August 2009 Archives by author. When you click "Author" it will bring up all the names for which month you select. I don't know any easier way but to scroll down until you find your name. Here are some of yours for August. Take it easy, Brian a.. [meteorite-list] What is this? Pete Shugar a.. [meteorite-list] Re make your own Meteorite Pete Shugar a.. [meteorite-list] Alaskan Egg Meteorite Pete Shugar a.. [meteorite-list] re Kem Kem Pete Shugar a.. [meteorite-list] follow up on Kem Kem Pete Shugar a.. [meteorite-list] Question Pete Shugar a.. [meteorite-list] Test Pete Shugar The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 9 23:02:45 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:02:45 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites Message-ID: Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey just now in this auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! Brian IMCA # 6387 searchingforfun is my ebay User ID From mike.hankey at gmail.com Sun Aug 9 23:09:41 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:09:41 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] 3D Model of Mason Dixon Meteor Message-ID: With his permission I have published Rob Matson's 3D model of the Mason Dixon Meteor. Rob agreed that sharing the information would greatly increase the chances of meteorite recovery. I have posted the coordinates on my site along with a Google Earth movie that illustrates the model. http://www.mikesastrophotos.com http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/3d-model-of-mason-dixon-meteor/ I want to say thank you to Rob and all of the people that helped Rob come up with this model. I will be posting more detailed maps, road information and search areas in the next few days. Thanks, Mike From drtanuki at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 00:52:44 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 21:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA Message-ID: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Brian and List, Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s catalogue lists: 22.4g @ $44.80; 26.9g@ $53.80 31.5g@ $63.00 33.5g@ $67.00 41.0g@ $82.00 46.8g@ $93.60 53.2g@ $106.40 58.6g@ $117.20 67.4g@ $134.80 70.0g@ $140.00 83.1g@ $166.20 114.9g@ $229.80 153.6g@ $307.20 In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also missed the Great Habibi! When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are searchingforfun. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: > From: Brian Cox > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM > Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem > Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey > meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that > was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from > our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members > for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. > > I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey > just now in this auction. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 > > Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! > > Brian > > IMCA # 6387 > > searchingforfun is my > ebay User ID > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 10 01:06:19 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:06:19 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites Message-ID: <07CA4320F5604E1D9054E45704090747@user6e6e286533> Dirk, Why are you so angry? Your use of CAPS in INCORRECTLY and rambling on about hippies and food and Berber shave and Burma shave and all kinds of things that sound like you're high or drunk. Are you made at me about something or what has gotten into you? Is it because I asked your opinion on something or that I didn't buy any meteorites from you after asking you if you had certain specimens? I think it's inappropriate that you sent this to the list and went on and on about it. If you were clear headed you would have been able to tell that I wrote in the paragraph I sent that I was 'told' this information and NOT that it was my personal opinion, and I will print it here again: "I was 'told' from our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites." I did NOT state this was my view, nor did I state that this was the gospel from me. I stated, again, "That I was told by others on the list, and IMCA members and if you had been reading the posts you would have read those." Everyone has said Kem Kem was a generic name and it seems to have DUG up a lot of old painful memories for you and you seem to be spewing them out here in anger at me. Please calm down and relax and read it again later today or in the evening when you can understand it better without jumping down my throat. There is something more than just my quote here that is angering you and I can't help you with that. Regards and all the best to you. Brian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "drtanuki" > To: "Brian Cox" ; <"meteorite- > list"@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before > NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > > > > Dear Brian and List, > Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. > Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find > out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. Classification > pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s catalogue lists: > 22.4g @ $44.80; > 26.9g@ $53.80 > 31.5g@ $63.00 > 33.5g@ $67.00 > 41.0g@ $82.00 > 46.8g@ $93.60 > 53.2g@ $106.40 > 58.6g@ $117.20 > 67.4g@ $134.80 > 70.0g@ $140.00 > 83.1g@ $166.20 > 114.9g@ $229.80 > 153.6g@ $307.20 > > In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, > which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites of > NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. > > So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY > calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. > > I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at > Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary > alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for > the huge festival and arrested development. > The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean Bessey > in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to Bessey > Specks perhaps not? > > Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad German > or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also missed the > Great Habibi! > > When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, mutton > or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. > > At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met > Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet > on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. > > Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are > searchingforfun. > > Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: > >> From: Brian Cox >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >> >> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >> just now in this auction. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >> >> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >> >> Brian >> >> IMCA # 6387 >> >> searchingforfun is my >> ebay User ID >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > From meteoritekid at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 01:02:51 2009 From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:02:51 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA In-Reply-To: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <93aaac890908092202u241fbae3i64c188acf6d61e57@mail.gmail.com> Dirk, Brian, All, This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, Casper sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name around that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number of similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, where not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition). And while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, this, I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain. I never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed. Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper. I might only call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that applies to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites. Single name, unknown number of meteorites. I don't know if it quite fits the definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far off. Regards, Jason On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote: > > Dear Brian and List, > ?Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. > ?Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". ?Casper`s catalogue lists: > 22.4g @ $44.80; > 26.9g@ $53.80 > 31.5g@ $63.00 > 33.5g@ $67.00 > 41.0g@ $82.00 > 46.8g@ $93.60 > 53.2g@ $106.40 > 58.6g@ $117.20 > 67.4g@ $134.80 > 70.0g@ $140.00 > 83.1g@ $166.20 > 114.9g@ $229.80 > 153.6g@ $307.20 > > In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, which I purchased. ?Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. > > ?So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. > > ?I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. > The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? > > Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also missed the Great Habibi! > > When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. > > ?At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met Idir et Kem-Kem! ?Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. > > ?Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are searchingforfun. > > ?Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: > >> From: Brian Cox >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >> >> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >> just now ?in this auction. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 > > >> >> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >> >> Brian >> >> IMCA # 6387 >> >> searchingforfun ? ? ? ? is my >> ebay User ID >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 10 01:32:51 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:32:51 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA Message-ID: <745F3A9688B74DDC91BD1479C96093B7@user6e6e286533> Hello Jason, Thank you very much for mentioning the information that you are aware of. I didn't mean to be angry at Dirk, but I kind of felt I was being attacked when all I was trying to do was to add to the discussion of Kem Kem and I have learned a great deal about it over the past few days. I really appreciate you taking the time to email me and give me information on it and many other members also wrote from the Met. List and the IMCA that they felt Kem Kem was, as in my words, and I am Honestly, Very Sorry Dirk or anyone that I used the word "generic" when that may not have been exactly the correct word, but as you put it, generic isn't far off. I just couldn't think of a better word at the moment I was writing. Thanks again, and all the best to you and yours. Brian From fcressy at prodigy.net Mon Aug 10 01:31:21 2009 From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Website update, Ash Creek adventure page Message-ID: <826003.61609.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Mike for adding "Ash Creek" to your adventure page. It's a lot of work on your part and I certainly appreciate it. Looking forward to seeing more. Cheers, Frank --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Michael Farmer wrote: From: Michael Farmer Subject: [meteorite-list] Wesbsite update, Ash Creek adventure page To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 5:49 PM http://www.meteoriteguy.com/adventures.htm Hi everyone, after years of neglecting my adventure pge, I have finally started to update it. First new page is Ash Creek (West) fall. Please take a look and let me know if there are any mistakes or problems with the page. I plan to post more adventures as I can get them done. Michael Farmer ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From leighannedelray at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 01:34:26 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:34:26 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Signed Krinov book has hit its reserve. YAY!! Message-ID: <5e97e2850908092234q6daf03c8maef5592745ba17ac@mail.gmail.com> Hi list, Just wanted everyone to know that the Signed Krinov book has now met its reserve. It actually met its reserve in only the first few hours it was up! YAY! Just thought I would let you know. Here is the page if you hadn't seen it yet: http://cgi.ebay.com/E-L-Krinov-Sikhote-Alin-Meteorite-Shower-Book-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ250478936618QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAntiquarian_Collectible?hash=item3a51b5422a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Have a good night. Leigh Anne DelRay From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com Mon Aug 10 01:42:38 2009 From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:42:38 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites References: <07CA4320F5604E1D9054E45704090747@user6e6e286533> Message-ID: <004E897718044FF4AC156630E681FEA2@windows9bb74fe> I will opine that Kem Kem did have a bit of the catchall going for it but it did not precede NWA numbering The SA or Sahara numbers were first Other catchalls may include Oum Rokba (NWA400), NWA 869, Franconia, Dho 020 And let's slip in an ad...NWA 001 available here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280383448019 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog ------------------ We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cox" To: ; "drtanuki" Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > > > > Dirk, > > Why are you so angry? Your use of CAPS in INCORRECTLY and rambling on > about > hippies and food and Berber shave and Burma shave and all kinds of things > that sound like you're high or drunk. Are you made at me about something > or > what has gotten into you? Is it because I asked your opinion on something > or > that I didn't buy any meteorites from you after asking you if you had > certain specimens? > > I think it's inappropriate that you sent this to the list and went on and > on > about it. If you were clear headed you would have been able to tell that I > wrote in the paragraph I sent that I was 'told' this information and NOT > that it was my personal opinion, and I will print it here again: > > "I was 'told' from our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA > members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites." > > I did NOT state this was my view, nor did I state that this was the gospel > from me. I stated, again, "That I was told by others on the list, and IMCA > members and if you had been reading the posts you would have read those." > Everyone has said Kem Kem was a generic name and it seems to have DUG up a > lot of old painful memories for you and you seem to be spewing them out > here > in anger at me. > > Please calm down and relax and read it again later today or in the evening > when you can understand it better without jumping down my throat. > > There is something more than just my quote here that is angering you and I > can't help you with that. > > Regards and all the best to you. > > Brian > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "drtanuki" >> To: "Brian Cox" ; <"meteorite- >> list"@meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >> >> >> >> Dear Brian and List, >> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find >> out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. >> Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s catalogue >> lists: >> 22.4g @ $44.80; >> 26.9g@ $53.80 >> 31.5g@ $63.00 >> 33.5g@ $67.00 >> 41.0g@ $82.00 >> 46.8g@ $93.60 >> 53.2g@ $106.40 >> 58.6g@ $117.20 >> 67.4g@ $134.80 >> 70.0g@ $140.00 >> 83.1g@ $166.20 >> 114.9g@ $229.80 >> 153.6g@ $307.20 >> >> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, >> which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites of >> NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. >> >> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY >> calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >> >> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at >> Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary >> alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for >> the huge festival and arrested development. >> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean Bessey >> in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to Bessey >> Specks perhaps not? >> >> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad >> German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also >> missed the Great Habibi! >> >> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, >> mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >> >> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met >> Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet >> on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. >> >> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >> searchingforfun. >> >> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >> >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: >> >>> From: Brian Cox >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>> >>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>> just now in this auction. >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>> >>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> IMCA # 6387 >>> >>> searchingforfun is my >>> ebay User ID >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 10 01:49:20 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:49:20 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites References: <07CA4320F5604E1D9054E45704090747@user6e6e286533> <004E897718044FF4AC156630E681FEA2@windows9bb74fe> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Thanks for opining. I was honestly just writing what I was told by several others and did not mean to get into an argument with Dirk, but felt that at this late hour of 12:45am, that I felt Dirk was angry and I apologize to him if I came across as angry or defensive and I will include him in this email to you Rob. Thanks again, Brian Take it easy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Wesel" To: "Brian Cox" ; ; "drtanuki" Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs,Northwest African meteorites >I will opine that Kem Kem did have a bit of the catchall going for it but >it did not precede NWA numbering > > The SA or Sahara numbers were first > > Other catchalls may include Oum Rokba (NWA400), NWA 869, Franconia, Dho > 020 > > And let's slip in an ad...NWA 001 available here > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280383448019 > > Rob Wesel > www.nakhladogmeteorites.com > www.facebook.com/nakhladog > ------------------ > We are the music makers... > and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > Willy Wonka, 1971 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Cox" > To: ; "drtanuki" > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:06 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before > NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > >> >> >> >> >> Dirk, >> >> Why are you so angry? Your use of CAPS in INCORRECTLY and rambling on >> about >> hippies and food and Berber shave and Burma shave and all kinds of things >> that sound like you're high or drunk. Are you made at me about something >> or >> what has gotten into you? Is it because I asked your opinion on something >> or >> that I didn't buy any meteorites from you after asking you if you had >> certain specimens? >> >> I think it's inappropriate that you sent this to the list and went on and >> on >> about it. If you were clear headed you would have been able to tell that >> I >> wrote in the paragraph I sent that I was 'told' this information and NOT >> that it was my personal opinion, and I will print it here again: >> >> "I was 'told' from our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA >> members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites." >> >> I did NOT state this was my view, nor did I state that this was the >> gospel >> from me. I stated, again, "That I was told by others on the list, and >> IMCA >> members and if you had been reading the posts you would have read those." >> Everyone has said Kem Kem was a generic name and it seems to have DUG up >> a >> lot of old painful memories for you and you seem to be spewing them out >> here >> in anger at me. >> >> Please calm down and relax and read it again later today or in the >> evening >> when you can understand it better without jumping down my throat. >> >> There is something more than just my quote here that is angering you and >> I >> can't help you with that. >> >> Regards and all the best to you. >> >> Brian >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "drtanuki" >>> To: "Brian Cox" ; <"meteorite- >>> list"@meteoritecentral.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Brian and List, >>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find >>> out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. >>> Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s catalogue >>> lists: >>> 22.4g @ $44.80; >>> 26.9g@ $53.80 >>> 31.5g@ $63.00 >>> 33.5g@ $67.00 >>> 41.0g@ $82.00 >>> 46.8g@ $93.60 >>> 53.2g@ $106.40 >>> 58.6g@ $117.20 >>> 67.4g@ $134.80 >>> 70.0g@ $140.00 >>> 83.1g@ $166.20 >>> 114.9g@ $229.80 >>> 153.6g@ $307.20 >>> >>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, >>> which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites >>> of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. >>> >>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY >>> calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >>> >>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at >>> Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary >>> alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for >>> the huge festival and arrested development. >>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean >>> Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to >>> Bessey Specks perhaps not? >>> >>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad >>> German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also >>> missed the Great Habibi! >>> >>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, >>> mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >>> >>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met >>> Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet >>> on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. >>> >>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >>> searchingforfun. >>> >>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: >>> >>>> From: Brian Cox >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >>>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>>> >>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>>> just now in this auction. >>>> >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>>> >>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> IMCA # 6387 >>>> >>>> searchingforfun is my >>>> ebay User ID >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From drtanuki at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 02:21:56 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Website update, Ash Creek adventure page In-Reply-To: <826003.61609.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <836298.87537.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello Frank! and List, I also would like to thank Mike Farmer for taking the time to document the West (Ash Creek) story. Thank you Mike for showing how to be a true "meteorite hunter" and document a fall and finds and share the information in a timely fashion. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Frank Cressy wrote: > From: Frank Cressy > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Website update, Ash Creek adventure page > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Michael Farmer" > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 2:31 PM > > Thanks Mike for adding "Ash Creek" to your adventure > page.? It's a lot of work on your part and I certainly > appreciate it.? Looking forward to seeing more. > > Cheers, > > Frank > > > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Michael Farmer > wrote: > > > From: Michael Farmer > Subject: [meteorite-list] Wesbsite update, Ash Creek > adventure page > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 5:49 PM > > > > http://www.meteoriteguy.com/adventures.htm > > > Hi everyone, after years of neglecting my adventure pge, I > have finally started to update it. First new page is Ash > Creek (West) fall. > Please take a look and let me know if there are any > mistakes or problems with the page. > I plan to post more adventures as I can get them done. > > Michael Farmer > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mike at meteoriteguy.com Mon Aug 10 05:18:15 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] More adventures up, Puerto Lapice (La Mancha) Message-ID: <565256.34030.qm@web1108.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> http://meteoriteguy.com/adventures.htm I will be working hard over the next week to get more pages up and running, it takes time to locate the photos and information, so much easier had I done it immediately after returning home, but oh well, this work brings back a flood of fond memories about places far away. I can still taste the figs we stole off the tree in Spain, and the awesome wine we drank every night after hunting, to toast each days finds. Good times with good friends..... Anyone else with meteorite hunts should do the same, I would love to see more Ash Creek pages go up. Tomorrow I hope to get Moss, Norway and Berduc, Argentina back up. 2 am here, time for bed now. Please let me know if you find any errors that I can correct. I am proud of these adventures and want them to be accurate and free of error. Michael Farmer From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk Mon Aug 10 05:12:48 2009 From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:12:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD~~Park Forest dual litholgy slice, gujba, CV3, nice unclasifieds Message-ID: <16835389.84211249895568435.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> greetings listees some may be interested in some auctions ending within next few hours.Not the most auspicious timing on this lot of auctions on my part. park forest---lovely slice ,opening price $30 a gram,BIN $40 a gram http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320407804408 cv3 7.8 gram~~~there's a few more pieces also---very reasonable prices, steals actually http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320407829340 gujba 2.1 gram-currently at about $5 a gram---WO!gettin my butt kicked http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320407783671 560 gram unwa---nice crusted stone,worth more than the current bid fo sho http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320407855189 396 gram unwa fresh crust--this one ends next one---lovely fresh dark crust.Whats it worth?You decide--started for a dollah http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320410386503 see all my auctions here.Some Rumurutiites on the way and Howardite slices plus other nice unclassifieds and plenty of little cut nwa 869's started at a dollah.Also little piece of Agoult coming later and 2 pieces of the lovely nwa 801 CR2 http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/emeraldisleminerals Nice work on the Ash Creek hunt Mike Farmer.Made me think of all the stones laying there right now as I type this Good day everyone JB From info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar Mon Aug 10 06:38:30 2009 From: info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar (Eduardo) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:38:30 -0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi When buying Casper's inventory there were quite a few specimens marked Kem Kem, but also some single pieces marked Kem Kem # (where # were different numbers up to about 30), most of them cut by half. So my conclusion is that most of the specimens are the original Kem Kem, but when something looked different, it was named differently by Casper. As with all meteorite finds, looking the same does not mean to be the same, but unless you want to test every rock you have to live with this. They were found around the same time of the Saharas 99xxx. I can't be sure that all of them came actually from Kem Kem area, or were "transported" pre-NWA. Hope this clears up a little this matter. best regards Eduardo -----Original Message----- From: "Brian Cox" To: "Rob Wesel" Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:49:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > > Hi Rob, > > Thanks for opining. I was honestly just writing what I was told by > several > others and did not mean to get into an argument with Dirk, but felt > that at > this late hour of 12:45am, that I felt Dirk was angry and I apologize > to him > if I came across as angry or defensive and I will include him in this > email > to you Rob. > > Thanks again, > > Brian > > > > Take it easy! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Wesel" > To: "Brian Cox" ; > ; "drtanuki" > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:42 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > > >I will opine that Kem Kem did have a bit of the catchall going for it > but > >it did not precede NWA numbering > > > > The SA or Sahara numbers were first > > > > Other catchalls may include Oum Rokba (NWA400), NWA 869, Franconia, > Dho > > 020 > > > > And let's slip in an ad...NWA 001 available here > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280383448019 > > > > Rob Wesel > > www.nakhladogmeteorites.com > > www.facebook.com/nakhladog > > ------------------ > > We are the music makers... > > and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > > Willy Wonka, 1971 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Cox" > > To: ; "drtanuki" > > > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:06 PM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > > NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dirk, > >> > >> Why are you so angry? Your use of CAPS in INCORRECTLY and rambling > on > >> about > >> hippies and food and Berber shave and Burma shave and all kinds of > things > >> that sound like you're high or drunk. Are you made at me about > something > >> or > >> what has gotten into you? Is it because I asked your opinion on > something > >> or > >> that I didn't buy any meteorites from you after asking you if you > had > >> certain specimens? > >> > >> I think it's inappropriate that you sent this to the list and went > on and > >> on > >> about it. If you were clear headed you would have been able to tell > that > >> I > >> wrote in the paragraph I sent that I was 'told' this information and > NOT > >> that it was my personal opinion, and I will print it here again: > >> > >> "I was 'told' from our fellow history buffs on the list and other > IMCA > >> members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" > meteorites." > >> > >> I did NOT state this was my view, nor did I state that this was the > >> gospel > >> from me. I stated, again, "That I was told by others on the list, > and > >> IMCA > >> members and if you had been reading the posts you would have read > those." > >> Everyone has said Kem Kem was a generic name and it seems to have > DUG up > >> a > >> lot of old painful memories for you and you seem to be spewing them > out > >> here > >> in anger at me. > >> > >> Please calm down and relax and read it again later today or in the > >> evening > >> when you can understand it better without jumping down my throat. > >> > >> There is something more than just my quote here that is angering you > and > >> I > >> can't help you with that. > >> > >> Regards and all the best to you. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "drtanuki" > >>> To: "Brian Cox" ; <"meteorite- > >>> list"@meteoritecentral.com> > >>> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > >>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear Brian and List, > >>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. > >>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new > find > >>> out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. > >>> Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s > catalogue > >>> lists: > >>> 22.4g @ $44.80; > >>> 26.9g@ $53.80 > >>> 31.5g@ $63.00 > >>> 33.5g@ $67.00 > >>> 41.0g@ $82.00 > >>> 46.8g@ $93.60 > >>> 53.2g@ $106.40 > >>> 58.6g@ $117.20 > >>> 67.4g@ $134.80 > >>> 70.0g@ $140.00 > >>> 83.1g@ $166.20 > >>> 114.9g@ $229.80 > >>> 153.6g@ $307.20 > >>> > >>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece > photographed, > >>> which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the > meteorites > >>> of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. > >>> > >>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by > INCORRECTLY > >>> calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. > >>> > >>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and > at > >>> Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the > planetary > >>> alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads > for > >>> the huge festival and arrested development. > >>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean > >>> Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior > to > >>> Bessey Specks perhaps not? > >>> > >>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad > >>> German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. > Also > >>> missed the Great Habibi! > >>> > >>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, > >>> mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. > >>> > >>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir > met > >>> Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at > SunSet > >>> on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. > >>> > >>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are > >>> searchingforfun. > >>> > >>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox > wrote: > >>> > >>>> From: Brian Cox > >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > >>>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM > >>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem > >>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey > >>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that > >>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from > >>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members > >>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. > >>>> > >>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey > >>>> just now in this auction. > >>>> > >>>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H > 5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3 > ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! > >>>> > >>>> Brian > >>>> > >>>> IMCA # 6387 > >>>> > >>>> searchingforfun is my > >>>> ebay User ID > >>>> ______________________________________________ > >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar Mon Aug 10 06:48:32 2009 From: info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar (Eduardo) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:48:32 -0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites Message-ID: Hi When buying Casper's inventory there were quite a few specimens marked Kem Kem, but also some single pieces marked Kem Kem # (where # were different numbers up to about 30), most of them cut by half. So my conclusion is that most of the specimens are the original Kem Kem, but when something looked different, it was named differently by Casper. As with all meteorite finds, looking the same does not mean to be the same, but unless you want to test every rock you have to live with this. They were found around the same time of the Saharas 99xxx. I can't be sure that all of them came actually from Kem Kem area, or were "transported" pre-NWA. Hope this clears up a little this matter. best regards Eduardo -----Original Message----- From: "Brian Cox" To: "Rob Wesel" Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:49:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > > Hi Rob, > > Thanks for opining. I was honestly just writing what I was told by > several > others and did not mean to get into an argument with Dirk, but felt > that at > this late hour of 12:45am, that I felt Dirk was angry and I apologize > to him > if I came across as angry or defensive and I will include him in this > email > to you Rob. > > Thanks again, > > Brian > > > > Take it easy! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Wesel" > To: "Brian Cox" ; > ; "drtanuki" > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:42 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > > >I will opine that Kem Kem did have a bit of the catchall going for it > but > >it did not precede NWA numbering > > > > The SA or Sahara numbers were first > > > > Other catchalls may include Oum Rokba (NWA400), NWA 869, Franconia, > Dho > > 020 > > > > And let's slip in an ad...NWA 001 available here > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280383448019 > > > > Rob Wesel > > www.nakhladogmeteorites.com > > www.facebook.com/nakhladog > > ------------------ > > We are the music makers... > > and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > > Willy Wonka, 1971 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Cox" > > To: ; "drtanuki" > > > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:06 PM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > > NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dirk, > >> > >> Why are you so angry? Your use of CAPS in INCORRECTLY and rambling > on > >> about > >> hippies and food and Berber shave and Burma shave and all kinds of > things > >> that sound like you're high or drunk. Are you made at me about > something > >> or > >> what has gotten into you? Is it because I asked your opinion on > something > >> or > >> that I didn't buy any meteorites from you after asking you if you > had > >> certain specimens? > >> > >> I think it's inappropriate that you sent this to the list and went > on and > >> on > >> about it. If you were clear headed you would have been able to tell > that > >> I > >> wrote in the paragraph I sent that I was 'told' this information and > NOT > >> that it was my personal opinion, and I will print it here again: > >> > >> "I was 'told' from our fellow history buffs on the list and other > IMCA > >> members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" > meteorites." > >> > >> I did NOT state this was my view, nor did I state that this was the > >> gospel > >> from me. I stated, again, "That I was told by others on the list, > and > >> IMCA > >> members and if you had been reading the posts you would have read > those." > >> Everyone has said Kem Kem was a generic name and it seems to have > DUG up > >> a > >> lot of old painful memories for you and you seem to be spewing them > out > >> here > >> in anger at me. > >> > >> Please calm down and relax and read it again later today or in the > >> evening > >> when you can understand it better without jumping down my throat. > >> > >> There is something more than just my quote here that is angering you > and > >> I > >> can't help you with that. > >> > >> Regards and all the best to you. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "drtanuki" > >>> To: "Brian Cox" ; <"meteorite- > >>> list"@meteoritecentral.com> > >>> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > >>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear Brian and List, > >>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. > >>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new > find > >>> out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. > >>> Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s > catalogue > >>> lists: > >>> 22.4g @ $44.80; > >>> 26.9g@ $53.80 > >>> 31.5g@ $63.00 > >>> 33.5g@ $67.00 > >>> 41.0g@ $82.00 > >>> 46.8g@ $93.60 > >>> 53.2g@ $106.40 > >>> 58.6g@ $117.20 > >>> 67.4g@ $134.80 > >>> 70.0g@ $140.00 > >>> 83.1g@ $166.20 > >>> 114.9g@ $229.80 > >>> 153.6g@ $307.20 > >>> > >>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece > photographed, > >>> which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the > meteorites > >>> of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. > >>> > >>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by > INCORRECTLY > >>> calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. > >>> > >>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and > at > >>> Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the > planetary > >>> alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads > for > >>> the huge festival and arrested development. > >>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean > >>> Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior > to > >>> Bessey Specks perhaps not? > >>> > >>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad > >>> German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. > Also > >>> missed the Great Habibi! > >>> > >>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, > >>> mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. > >>> > >>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir > met > >>> Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at > SunSet > >>> on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. > >>> > >>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are > >>> searchingforfun. > >>> > >>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox > wrote: > >>> > >>>> From: Brian Cox > >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name > before > >>>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM > >>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem > >>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey > >>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that > >>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from > >>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members > >>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. > >>>> > >>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey > >>>> just now in this auction. > >>>> > >>>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H > 5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3 > ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! > >>>> > >>>> Brian > >>>> > >>>> IMCA # 6387 > >>>> > >>>> searchingforfun is my > >>>> ebay User ID > >>>> ______________________________________________ > >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From raremeteorites at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 10:33:23 2009 From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Great Stuff - Low Price! Message-ID: <628550.70625.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear List Members, I have several excellent auctions due to end this afternoon and tomorrow so please take a look if you are interested in some great bargains. I loaded several Buy-It-Nows for those who want a great deal without waiting for an auction to end. Do not be afraid to make a reasonable offer. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, ------------------------------------ Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteorites at yahoo.com From cdtucson at cox.net Sun Aug 9 21:19:07 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:19:07 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090809211907.2OAPQ.48819.imail@fed1rmwml31> Thank you Mike Hankey. I have gotten several Kind emails about the pics. I thought one of the planes might have been practicing dodging a falling meteorite? If not, at least you got to look and see a few potential moves. Just in case you ever need them. Take care. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- Mike Hankey wrote: > wow, that is really incredible. thanks for posting this. i would have > never looked on youtube for pictures like this and I appreciate the > cross over. amazing pictures. > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, wrote: > > Enjoy. > > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm > > -- > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > IMCA 5829 > > Meteoritemax > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From info at mcomemeteorite.it Mon Aug 10 12:01:18 2009 From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:01:18 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics Message-ID: <4a80444e.20b.2d04.1348362828@webmaildh2.aruba.it> The same for me, I like airplane photos, this is photos take from me http://www.chinellatophoto.com/index.php?&set=124&dom_id=&dom_sld=chinellatophoto&dom_tld=com&no_tags=1&sito_gratis=&sito=&local_page=foto&left_local_page=&seleziona_album=Aeronautica just for remember, in this list many others have put messages OT from meteorites in this years.... Matteo ----- Original Message ----- Da : A : Mike Hankey Cc: meteoritelist Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics Data : Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:19:07 -0700 > Thank you Mike Hankey. > I have gotten several Kind emails about the pics. I > thought one of the planes might have been practicing > dodging a falling meteorite? If not, at least you got to > look and see a few potential moves. Just in case you ever > need them. Take care. Carl -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > > ---- Mike Hankey wrote: > > wow, that is really incredible. thanks for posting this. > > i would have never looked on youtube for pictures like > > this and I appreciate the cross over. amazing pictures. > > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, > > > wrote: Enjoy. > > > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm > > > -- > > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > > IMCA 5829 > > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti info at mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.org Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici http://www.chinellatophoto.com From cynapse at charter.net Mon Aug 10 14:25:03 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:25:03 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Saving money on meteorites In-Reply-To: <5e97e2850908092234q6daf03c8maef5592745ba17ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <5e97e2850908092234q6daf03c8maef5592745ba17ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Or anything else on Ebay and lots of other sites. Sign up with Bing (was Live) and use the shopping links there. You get various percentage discounts that are refunded to your Paypal account. Starting today, the amounts are apparently being doubled. I used this method a while back when I bought a new CPU and a few smaller items-- it worked. Details here: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=40&threadid=2198292&FTVAR_STKEYWORDFRM=&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 13:42:21 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (star_wars_collector at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:42:21 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Saving money on meteorites Message-ID: <2101187600-1249926142-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1825817763-@bxe1125.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I agree. I use bing all the time and save a lot of cash on a lot if things. Greg C Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? From mike at meteoriteguy.com Mon Aug 10 14:06:36 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Amazing video Message-ID: <185294.58526.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd5yhFvdhik&feature=fvsr FEDEX plane crash in Tokyo Not related to meteorites, but I am sure I will get lots of support from people privately. Imagine if all 1000 people on this list start posting endless off-topic crap. I can find millions of cool videos and links on the web that impress someone. Carl, stop posting endless videos ad links of airplanes please. Michael Farmer From korotev at wustl.edu Mon Aug 10 13:50:40 2009 From: korotev at wustl.edu (Randy Korotev) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:50:40 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> Message-ID: <200908101750.n7AHoXO04351@levee.wustl.edu> Carl et al. Regarding the Block Island meteorite on Mars... I asked "Why does it have regmaglypts?" of our local Mars expert, Ray Arvidson, who is Deputy Principal Investigator of the Mars Exploration Rover Mission. He had mentioned the existence of the meteorite to me several weeks ago. He said that the fall happened "4 billion years ago," when Mars had a more substantial atmosphere. This makes sense to me because we've never seen a meteorite this size on the Moon. On the Moon meteoroids impact at several tens of kilometers per second, and vaporize. In order to survive as a whole rock, Block Island must have been decelerated by an atmosphere. (I'm sure that meteoroids hitting Mars are impacting at lower velocities than those hitting Earth-Moon, but I don't know the numbers.) The area where the meteorite was found is a deflation surface - like Roosevelt Co., NM, and places in Antarctica. It was buried for a long time and then exposed when the dust blew away. They know it's a deflation surface because the surface is "young" - the crater count is very low. Only after writing the above did I find some 3D glasses and actually looked at the image. Most of the "holes" don't look so much like regmaglypts to me. Maybe some are chemical weathering features. There will probably be some more info about this meteorite coming out later. Ray said that there is a great interest on what kind of chemical reactions it's experienced. Randy Korotev Washington University At 11:54 07-08-09 Friday, you wrote: >Pete, List, >Very interesting photo. >I have a question about it's morphology? >Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? >Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I >thought Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of >surface materials? It was my understanding that the material ablated >away as it passed through the atmosphere . If that is so then why >does it look the same on Mars. >Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it >entered Mars' atmosphere? >Just curious. >-- >Carl or Debbie Esparza >IMCA 5829 >Meteoritemax > > >---- Pete Pete wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, all, > > > > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! > > > > (note the full resolution link) > > > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > > > > > > It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Pete > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 14:11:02 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:11:02 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] I need a tektite seller who can process credit cards without PayPal Message-ID: Hi Folks! I have a buyer in Europe who wants to purchase a kilo of indochinite tektites - but they will not use PayPal and they want to pay with a Mastercard. If someone can process credit cards directly without PayPal, then you can have this customer and the profit. The agreed price was $100 shipped for the kilo. Contact me offlist if interested in making this sale. Best regards, MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From bencubbin at hotmail.com Mon Aug 10 14:14:09 2009 From: bencubbin at hotmail.com (Howard Steffic) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:14:09 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Amazing video (back on topic) In-Reply-To: <185294.58526.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <185294.58526.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I hope there were no meteorite shipments on that flight. Howard Steffic ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:06:36 -0700 > From: mike at meteoriteguy.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Amazing video > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd5yhFvdhik&feature=fvsr > FEDEX plane crash in Tokyo > > > Not related to meteorites, but I am sure I will get lots of support from people privately. > > Imagine if all 1000 people on this list start posting endless off-topic crap. I can find millions of cool videos and links on the web that impress someone. Carl, stop posting endless videos ad links of airplanes please. > > > > Michael Farmer > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 From jkg2 at cox.net Mon Aug 10 14:14:18 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:14:18 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics In-Reply-To: <4a80444e.20b.2d04.1348362828@webmaildh2.aruba.it> References: <4a80444e.20b.2d04.1348362828@webmaildh2.aruba.it> Message-ID: <20090810181428.XGIR26826.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> I have to agree here. I live just 1.5 miles from a small airport that is also a residential neighborhood. The homes have hangers for their planes. In residence are three P-51s, some P-40s and three Stearman biplanes. If this List can tolerate an occasional break from convention to deal with personality conflicts, NASA, Mars rovers, baby notices, and "I finally got a new job" notices, etc., we should be able to tolerate some pictures of aircraft. Mike, going back through your Adventure Series brought back a lot of old memories. Where are your pictures and stories of NWA 482 and Ourique? Matteo...your pictures are fantastic! Best, John Gwilliam At 09:01 AM 8/10/2009, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: >The same for me, I like airplane photos, this is photos take >from me > >http://www.chinellatophoto.com/index.php?&set=124&dom_id=&dom_sld=chinellatophoto&dom_tld=com&no_tags=1&sito_gratis=&sito=&local_page=foto&left_local_page=&seleziona_album=Aeronautica > >just for remember, in this list many others have put >messages OT from meteorites in this years.... > >Matteo > > >----- Original Message ----- >Da : >A : Mike Hankey >Cc: meteoritelist >Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics >Data : Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:19:07 -0700 > > > Thank you Mike Hankey. > > I have gotten several Kind emails about the pics. I > > thought one of the planes might have been practicing > > dodging a falling meteorite? If not, at least you got to > > look and see a few potential moves. Just in case you ever > > need them. Take care. Carl -- > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > IMCA 5829 > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > ---- Mike Hankey wrote: > > > wow, that is really incredible. thanks for posting this. > > > i would have never looked on youtube for pictures like > > > this and I appreciate the cross over. amazing pictures. > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, > > > > wrote: Enjoy. > > > > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm > > > > -- > > > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > > > IMCA 5829 > > > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > > > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >M come Meteorite Meteoriti >info at mcomemeteorite.it >http://www.mcomemeteorite.it >http://www.mcomemeteorite.org >Mindat Gallery >http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html >ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici >http://www.chinellatophoto.com >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From mike at meteoriteguy.com Mon Aug 10 14:17:38 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics In-Reply-To: <20090810181428.XGIR26826.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <742764.10253.qm@web1108.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> John, sure, we can all relax at teh occasional off-topic post, but Carl does it too often. If we all start doing it for every cool photo or link we see, this list will turn to chaos. If you think endless ebay ads are bad, it will be nothing compared to that. I am working on those pages, so many trips. I am not sure that I have any ourique photos on disk, but I have hard copies, so perhaps I can get them scanned in at some point. Mike --- On Mon, 8/10/09, John Gwilliam wrote: > From: John Gwilliam > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics > To: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" , meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:14 PM > I have to agree here.? I live > just 1.5 miles from a small airport > that is also a residential neighborhood. The homes have > hangers for > their planes.? In residence are three P-51s, some > P-40s and three > Stearman biplanes. > > If this List can tolerate an occasional break from > convention to deal > with personality conflicts, NASA, Mars rovers, baby > notices, and "I > finally got a new job" notices, etc., we should be able to > tolerate > some pictures of aircraft. > > Mike, going back through your Adventure Series brought back > a lot of > old memories. Where are your pictures and stories of NWA > 482 and Ourique? > > Matteo...your pictures are fantastic! > > Best, > > John Gwilliam > > At 09:01 AM 8/10/2009, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: > >The same for me, I like airplane photos, this is photos > take > >from me > > > >http://www.chinellatophoto.com/index.php?&set=124&dom_id=&dom_sld=chinellatophoto&dom_tld=com&no_tags=1&sito_gratis=&sito=&local_page=foto&left_local_page=&seleziona_album=Aeronautica > > > >just for remember, in this list many others have put > >messages OT from meteorites in this years.... > > > >Matteo > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >Da : > >A : Mike Hankey > >Cc: meteoritelist > >Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics > >Data : Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:19:07 -0700 > > > > > Thank you Mike Hankey. > > > I have gotten several Kind emails about the pics. > I > > > thought one of the planes might have been > practicing > > > dodging a falling meteorite? If not, at least you > got to > > > look and see a few potential moves. Just in case > you ever > > > need them. Take care. Carl -- > > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > > IMCA 5829 > > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > > > > ---- Mike Hankey > wrote: > > > > wow, that is really incredible. thanks for > posting this. > > > > i would have never looked on youtube for > pictures like > > > > this and I appreciate the cross over. > amazing pictures. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, > > > > > wrote: Enjoy. > > > > > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm > > > > > -- > > > > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > > > > IMCA 5829 > > > > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > > > > > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > >M come Meteorite Meteoriti > >info at mcomemeteorite.it > >http://www.mcomemeteorite.it > >http://www.mcomemeteorite.org > >Mindat Gallery > >http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html > >ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici > >http://www.chinellatophoto.com > >______________________________________________ > >http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > John Gwilliam > > Too many people were born on third base > and go through life thinking they hit a triple. > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Mon Aug 10 14:18:18 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 10 Aug 2009 18:18:18 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D: Block Island Meteorite on Mars Message-ID: Randy writes: "Most of the 'holes' don't look so much like regmaglypts to me. Maybe some are chemical weathering features ... http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html Hello Randy and List, I certainly agree! These 'holes' look like the ones we know from the Willamette iron, ...those "bowl-shaped cavities" * * BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 3, pp. 1318, excerpts: "It can, therefore, be assumed that, when Willamette landed in the distant past, it had a shape and sculpture very similar to that of Morito. It must have been deeply furrowed on the cone side with radiating flutings, while the antiapex was a flat, somewhat crowning surface with shallow - but large - depressions. The meteorite must have been significantly more massive then, possibly weighing more than 20 tons. This leaves us with a mass which by some mysterious process has lost more than six tons since it fell. For this to occur it appears that we have to resort to terrestrial weathering processes, as already suggested by Ward (1904c) ... It appears, however, that given sufficient time and the right conditions of dilute, aerated sulfuric acid from decomposing troilite, the cavities may reach the surprising scale observed on Willamette." Best wishes, Bernd From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 14:37:24 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:37:24 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D: Block Island Meteorite on Mars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bernd, Randy and List - Bernd said - "I certainly agree! These 'holes' look like the ones we know from the Willamette iron, ...those "bowl-shaped cavities" BINGO! I thought the same exact thing when I saw it. :) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG PS - although there is another Martian meteorite (iron) that is clearly covered in regmaglypts, or perhaps ventifact-type scoops from wind blasting. On 10 Aug 2009 18:18:18 UT, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote: > Randy writes: > > "Most of the 'holes' don't look so much like regmaglypts > to me. Maybe some are chemical weathering features ... > > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > > Hello Randy and List, > > I certainly agree! These 'holes' look like the ones we know > from the Willamette iron, ...those "bowl-shaped cavities" * > > * BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Volume 3, pp. 1318, > excerpts: > > "It can, therefore, be assumed that, when Willamette landed in the distant > past, it had a shape > and sculpture very similar to that of Morito. It must have been deeply > furrowed on the cone side > with radiating flutings, while the antiapex was a flat, somewhat crowning > surface with shallow > - but large - depressions. The meteorite must have been significantly more > massive then, possibly > weighing more than 20 tons. > > This leaves us with a mass which by some mysterious process has lost more > than six tons > since it fell. For this to occur it appears that we have to resort to > terrestrial weathering > processes, as already suggested by Ward (1904c) ... It appears, however, > that given > sufficient time and the right conditions of dilute, aerated sulfuric acid > from decomposing > troilite, the cavities may reach the surprising scale observed on > Willamette." > > > Best wishes, > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From gmhupe at htn.net Mon Aug 10 14:19:33 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:19:33 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 web site References: <4a80444e.20b.2d04.1348362828@webmaildh2.aruba.it> <20090810181428.XGIR26826.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <535DF1EC6BCC4A17A898A1281BB4A0FE@Gregor> Hi John and List, NWA 482 can be seen here: www.LunarRock.com This includes Mike's sister's story regarding the acquisition of NWA 482, photos and other info. Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gwilliam" To: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" ; Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics >I have to agree here. I live just 1.5 miles from a small airport that is >also a residential neighborhood. The homes have hangers for their planes. >In residence are three P-51s, some P-40s and three Stearman biplanes. > > If this List can tolerate an occasional break from convention to deal with > personality conflicts, NASA, Mars rovers, baby notices, and "I finally got > a new job" notices, etc., we should be able to tolerate some pictures of > aircraft. > > Mike, going back through your Adventure Series brought back a lot of old > memories. Where are your pictures and stories of NWA 482 and Ourique? > > Matteo...your pictures are fantastic! > > Best, > > John Gwilliam > > At 09:01 AM 8/10/2009, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: >>The same for me, I like airplane photos, this is photos take >>from me >> >>http://www.chinellatophoto.com/index.php?&set=124&dom_id=&dom_sld=chinellatophoto&dom_tld=com&no_tags=1&sito_gratis=&sito=&local_page=foto&left_local_page=&seleziona_album=Aeronautica >> >>just for remember, in this list many others have put >>messages OT from meteorites in this years.... >> >>Matteo >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>Da : >>A : Mike Hankey >>Cc: meteoritelist >>Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Air Show Pics >>Data : Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:19:07 -0700 >> >> > Thank you Mike Hankey. >> > I have gotten several Kind emails about the pics. I >> > thought one of the planes might have been practicing >> > dodging a falling meteorite? If not, at least you got to >> > look and see a few potential moves. Just in case you ever >> > need them. Take care. Carl -- >> > Carl or Debbie Esparza >> > IMCA 5829 >> > Meteoritemax >> > >> > >> > ---- Mike Hankey wrote: >> > > wow, that is really incredible. thanks for posting this. >> > > i would have never looked on youtube for pictures like >> > > this and I appreciate the cross over. amazing pictures. >> > > >> > > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, >> > > > wrote: Enjoy. >> > > > http://www.urcaptainspekin.com/NYAirshow.htm >> > > > -- >> > > > Carl or Debbie Esparza >> > > > IMCA 5829 >> > > > Meteoritemax >> > > > >> > > > ______________________________________________ >> > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> > > > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> > > > >> > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > ______________________________________________ >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>M come Meteorite Meteoriti >>info at mcomemeteorite.it >>http://www.mcomemeteorite.it >>http://www.mcomemeteorite.org >>Mindat Gallery >>http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html >>ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici >>http://www.chinellatophoto.com >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > John Gwilliam > > Too many people were born on third base > and go through life thinking they hit a triple. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From countdeiro at earthlink.net Mon Aug 10 15:45:56 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] The Fed Ex accident video. Message-ID: <29334416.1249933556610.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dear List, Just this once...I'm posting an un-related eMail I sent to Michale Farmer regarding the horrific aircraft accident video he posted. I know that many misconceptions about why aircraft crash spread unwarranted fear of flying. Many of the List flly often in their pursuit of the rocks. Knowing "why" this happened might be helpful. Hi Michael, The List is what it is..and for....meteoritic information only! I'm new to the List, but I'm not to aircraft and the inherent dangers in their operation. I was Director of Aviation Facilities for Howard Hughes and still hold an Airline Transport Pilot's license with ratings in multi-engine land and sea planes and rotorcraft. For many years I was a member of AI teams with the NTSB specializing in reconstructing aircraft accidents. I mention this only because you might be interested in knowing what the probable cause of this incident was determined to be. Note that the surface wind (look at the post impact smoke) was strong and gusty and right down the runway. A head wind. The aircraft was heavy. The runway length just within operating parameters. This, if under no head wind conditions, called for a slow indicated approach speed. The crew followed this "bug" speed in error not allowing for the vagarities of the headwind. The wind calmed (sheared) and the aircraft lost lift just short of touchdown flare...it entered an irrecoverable aerodynamic stall. Adding power at that low altitude didn't help as the sircraft departed controlled flight before the turbines could "spool up" and generate thrust to add airspeed. The nose dropped as the elevator was no longer aerodynamically effective and they struck hard on the nose wheel, collapsing the cockpit floor, and over stressing the whole airframe. The left wing main spar and attach points failed and that wing folded. The right wing maintained it's integrity and continued to develop enough lift to roll the airframe inverted. It ws a non- survivable accident due to g-induced physical loads, blunt force injuries, smoke inhalation and burns. I hadn't seen this complete video posting before, so I owe you a sort of " left handed " compliment. I enjoy all of your postings and I respect your consumate knowledge of things extraterrestial. Regards, Guido...Count Deiro From mlblood at cox.net Mon Aug 10 15:51:34 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:51:34 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD~ for Bob Walker In-Reply-To: <16835389.84211249895568435.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: Bob asked me to post this for him: I've got to raise some cash for some new projects - I'm selling the Scorpion Bight main mass for $4000 aussie dollars but can only post it to an Australian address due to export restrictions Theres few if any ozzie main masses in private hands, even fewer (if any) Western Australian main masses sice the laws changed after this find vesting the ownership of newer WA finds in the Crown Its a once only unique opportunity for an advanced collector to acquire a WA main mass and I cannot conceive of there being any other future opportunity to do so The new laws vest ownership of new finds in the Crown and have meant the end of meteorite hunting in WA Cheers -- Contact: Bob Walker From epgrondine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 16:28:54 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Block Island Message-ID: <939255.42784.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all - Some background on NASA and Block Island - In their discussions of Mars "geology" NASA follows its usual pattern and faces up to asteroid and comet impact only when they are absolutely forced to. At the time of Pathfinder, NASA had a tough time talking about craters on Mars at all. It's gotten better since then, but a most of their work still stinks. One major example: NASA has a rough time figuring out where all that fine iron on Mars came from. Given the lack of other processes, what the hell do the NASA folk think they're looking at, anyway? If you take a look at most of the Mars images, you'll see rocks pelted by pellets from hypervelocity impacts. For that matter, the "blueberry" spherical accretions are most likely condensed impact vaporized material. And most of the isolated stuff on the surface is impact ejecta, anyway. NASA's accretion rates and absolute surface date estimates are a load of cr*p as well. If you look at the images of canyon walls on Mars, you'll see banding done by volatiles released by comet impact roughly every 26 million years. Of course, according to NASA comets don't hit, and Clube and Napier's comet injection mechanism is nonsense. Now what does this have to do with Block Island? Mars is not Earth-like, damn it. Essentially, given NASA's demonstrated lack of skill, you here on the meteorite list will do a better job in analyzing this rock than NASA ever will be able to do. Oh, and before I go I'd like to remind everyone that yours truly was the first to spot a meteorite on Mars, in the Pathfinder images, though I identified it as a tektite at the time. I think I might be able to find that 39k image, if someone wants to post it somewhere. End of today's rant. My blood pressure is lower now. Carry on... E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas From fcb at astronomics.com Mon Aug 10 15:52:27 2009 From: fcb at astronomics.com (Fred Bieler) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:52:27 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites Message-ID: <000001ca19f4$16b25120$4416f360$@com> NWA 400 shows in the MetBase as a provisional name and is described only as an uncrusted metal-rich chondrite with an "Origin/pseudonym: Algeria," bought by Dean Bessey, and with no mention of the name Oum Rockba. Michael Cottingham sold large quantities of a meteorite named Oum Rockba saying it had been found 12 miles west of the village of Oum Rokba in Southern Morocco, was bought by him October 2000, and had been classified by Alan Rubin of UCLA as an H5, S2 W2. Michael told me a few months ago via email that he didn't know why the classification had not been officially submitted to the NOmCom, but that he would find out from Dr. Rubin. To date, still no answer. Is the Bessey NWA 400 truly the stone sold by Cottingham as Oum Rockba? I've been trying to find out for eight years. With 14 stones of "Oum Rockba" totaling 5732 grams (the largest 4126 grams) as part of the results of an investment in one of Michael's early buying trips, any assurance one way or the other would be appreciated. Enquiring minds want to know. Thanks. Fred Bieler www.astronomics.com -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wesel Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:43 AM To: Brian Cox; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; drtanuki Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites I will opine that Kem Kem did have a bit of the catchall going for it but it did not precede NWA numbering The SA or Sahara numbers were first Other catchalls may include Oum Rokba (NWA400), NWA 869, Franconia, Dho 020 And let's slip in an ad...NWA 001 available here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280383448019 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog ------------------ We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cox" To: ; "drtanuki" Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs,Northwest African meteorites > > > > > Dirk, > > Why are you so angry? Your use of CAPS in INCORRECTLY and rambling on > about > hippies and food and Berber shave and Burma shave and all kinds of things > that sound like you're high or drunk. Are you made at me about something > or > what has gotten into you? Is it because I asked your opinion on something > or > that I didn't buy any meteorites from you after asking you if you had > certain specimens? > > I think it's inappropriate that you sent this to the list and went on and > on > about it. If you were clear headed you would have been able to tell that I > wrote in the paragraph I sent that I was 'told' this information and NOT > that it was my personal opinion, and I will print it here again: > > "I was 'told' from our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA > members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites." > > I did NOT state this was my view, nor did I state that this was the gospel > from me. I stated, again, "That I was told by others on the list, and IMCA > members and if you had been reading the posts you would have read those." > Everyone has said Kem Kem was a generic name and it seems to have DUG up a > lot of old painful memories for you and you seem to be spewing them out > here > in anger at me. > > Please calm down and relax and read it again later today or in the evening > when you can understand it better without jumping down my throat. > > There is something more than just my quote here that is angering you and I > can't help you with that. > > Regards and all the best to you. > > Brian > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "drtanuki" >> To: "Brian Cox" ; <"meteorite- >> list"@meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >> >> >> >> Dear Brian and List, >> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new find >> out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone. >> Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s catalogue >> lists: >> 22.4g @ $44.80; >> 26.9g@ $53.80 >> 31.5g@ $63.00 >> 33.5g@ $67.00 >> 41.0g@ $82.00 >> 46.8g@ $93.60 >> 53.2g@ $106.40 >> 58.6g@ $117.20 >> 67.4g@ $134.80 >> 70.0g@ $140.00 >> 83.1g@ $166.20 >> 114.9g@ $229.80 >> 153.6g@ $307.20 >> >> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece photographed, >> which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the meteorites of >> NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. >> >> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by INCORRECTLY >> calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >> >> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and at >> Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the planetary >> alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads for >> the huge festival and arrested development. >> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean Bessey >> in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior to Bessey >> Specks perhaps not? >> >> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad >> German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day. Also >> missed the Great Habibi! >> >> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef, >> mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >> >> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir met >> Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at SunSet >> on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. >> >> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >> searchingforfun. >> >> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >> >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: >> >>> From: Brian Cox >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name before >>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>> >>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>> just now in this auction. >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0Q QitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f& _trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>> >>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> IMCA # 6387 >>> >>> searchingforfun is my >>> ebay User ID >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From epgrondine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 19:16:30 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Space based detection Message-ID: <679145.98281.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bernd, Mike, Richard - Bernd - Saw the S&T cover, but from your summary it looks like they missed the best site - Ken Tankersley's Sheriden Cave - an inch of impactites, the bones of blast killed mega-fauna, and clovis tools. Given Ken's heart attack, and NASA and USGS's lack of funding, this is no surprise. It also looks like S&T missed the Kiscoty, Alberta structure. And hell, no promo in the piece for my own "Man and Impact in the Americas". Oh well, Firestone's injection mechanism for this one does not upset Morrison et al, so that pretty much explains it - along with the mass of hard evidence. Me, I'm still waiting for someone (ahem) to offer Hibben an apology. Mike, putting 50 or so people on Mars is not answer to saving the lives of anywhere from 60,000,000 (the next impact mega-tsunami) to 6,000,000,000 for the next ELE. If we get a tunguska class on a city we get around 10,000,000 dead, on a nuke plant maybe what 20,000,000 homeless, one tiggering a nuclear exchange, say maybe 1,000,000,000-2,000,000,000. In addition, we've got less than 13 years to get on top of the Schwassmann-Wachmann 3 debris train, and someone needs to get a memo on it to Bolden and Garver. Richard, we can handle a long period comet with nuclear charges, if it comes down to it, but diversion by ablation would be better. The problem is finding these things early, and my opinion is that CAPS is the answer for both. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas (While some people have told me its a great book, I'm still broke. Anyone care to gift me with a little Campo de Cielo or Brenham?) From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 19:46:34 2009 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:46:34 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk Message-ID: <62619C1D3ADB4A0396D297A6F1971D82@Bandli1> Hello Martin and All, http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/august/Accretion_Desk.htm It?s nice to see a witnessed iron on the Accretion Desk this month. It is quite easy to forget that witnessed iron falls are incredibly rare. In fact, according to the MetBull database, witnessed HED?s are more abundant than irons at ~69 witnessed HED achondrites to ~49 witnessed irons. Even at that number, iron falls are so highly prized by museums and institutions, that you are lucky to find anything outside of Sikote-Alin, Udei Station, or the occasional Boguslavka or Braunau. I was surprised to see that Martin?s piece has a ?hack-saw? cut job ? something I thought was unique to my piece of Bogou: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-3.jpg I purchased my Bogou several years ago (ex. Cureton Collection) sight-unseen and re-etching and cutting off the hack-saw marks and 'hanging chads' has always been on my to-do list until I read Martin?s article. It is easy to forget that those blemishes can actually help tell the story and human interaction involved with particular specimens. In fact, I think a hacked-up Bogou looks just fine now ? Martin also reminds us of how delicate and rare -real- fusion crust on an iron is. On Bogou, it is like the thin crust of a croissant and can easily flake off if not handled properly: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-2.jpg Finally, the ?good? side, showing the curvature of the specimen. One can only imagine how impressive a full slice would be: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-1.jpg Martin, I wonder if our specimens shared a jar with the Cureton Collection? 6 Irons Old, Mike Bandli From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 19:49:36 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:49:36 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk In-Reply-To: <62619C1D3ADB4A0396D297A6F1971D82@Bandli1> References: <62619C1D3ADB4A0396D297A6F1971D82@Bandli1> Message-ID: Nice specimen Mike. Thanks for sharing the photos of it. :) On 8/10/09, Mike Bandli wrote: > Hello Martin and All, > > http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/august/Accretion_Desk.htm > > It?s nice to see a witnessed iron on the Accretion Desk this month. It is > quite easy to forget that witnessed iron falls are incredibly rare. In fact, > according to the MetBull database, witnessed HED?s are more abundant than > irons at ~69 witnessed HED achondrites to ~49 witnessed irons. Even at that > number, iron falls are so highly prized by museums and institutions, that > you are lucky to find anything outside of Sikote-Alin, Udei Station, or the > occasional Boguslavka or Braunau. > > I was surprised to see that Martin?s piece has a ?hack-saw? cut job ? > something I thought was unique to my piece of Bogou: > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-3.jpg > > I purchased my Bogou several years ago (ex. Cureton Collection) sight-unseen > and re-etching and cutting off the hack-saw marks and 'hanging chads' has > always been on my to-do list until I read Martin?s article. It is easy to > forget that those blemishes can actually help tell the story and human > interaction involved with particular specimens. In fact, I think a hacked-up > Bogou looks just fine now ? > > > Martin also reminds us of how delicate and rare -real- fusion crust on an > iron is. On Bogou, it is like the thin crust of a croissant and can easily > flake off if not handled properly: > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-2.jpg > > > Finally, the ?good? side, showing the curvature of the specimen. One can > only imagine how impressive a full slice would be: > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-1.jpg > > > Martin, I wonder if our specimens shared a jar with the Cureton Collection? > > > 6 Irons Old, > > Mike Bandli > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Aug 10 20:09:03 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Planet Smash-Up Sends Vaporized Rock, Hot Lava Flying (Spitzer) Message-ID: <200908110009.n7B093ms000965@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-119 Planet Smash-Up Sends Vaporized Rock, Hot Lava Flying Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 10, 2009 PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has found evidence of a high-speed collision between two burgeoning planets around a young star. Astronomers say that two rocky bodies, one as least as big as our moon and the other at least as big as Mercury, slammed into each other within the last few thousand years or so -- not long ago by cosmic standards. The impact destroyed the smaller body, vaporizing huge amounts of rock and flinging massive plumes of hot lava into space. An artist's animation of the event is at http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitzer/multimedia/spitzer-20090810.html . Spitzer's infrared detectors were able to pick up the signatures of the vaporized rock, along with pieces of refrozen lava, called tektites. "This collision had to be huge and incredibly high-speed for rock to have been vaporized and melted," said Carey M. Lisse of the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, Laurel, Md., lead author of a new paper describing the findings in the Aug. 20 issue of the Astrophysical Journal. "This is a really rare and short-lived event, critical in the formation of Earth-like planets and moons. We're lucky to have witnessed one not long after it happened." Lisse and his colleagues say the cosmic crash is similar to the one that formed our moon more than 4 billion years ago, when a body the size of Mars rammed into Earth. "The collision that formed our moon would have been tremendous, enough to melt the surface of Earth," said co-author Geoff Bryden of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "Debris from the collision most likely settled into a disk around Earth that eventually coalesced to make the moon. This is about the same scale of impact we're seeing with Spitzer -- we don't know if a moon will form or not, but we know a large rocky body's surface was red hot, warped and melted." Our solar system's early history is rich with similar tales of destruction. Giant impacts are thought to have stripped Mercury of its outer crust, tipped Uranus on its side and spun Venus backward, to name a few examples. Such violence is a routine aspect of planet building. Rocky planets form and grow in size by colliding and sticking together, merging their cores and shedding some of their surfaces. Though things have settled down in our solar system today, impacts still occur, as was observed last month after a small space object crashed into Jupiter. Lisse and his team observed a star called HD 172555, which is about 12 million years old and located about 100 light-years away in the far southern constellation Pavo, or the Peacock (for comparison, our solar system is 4.5 billion years old). The astronomers used an instrument on Spitzer, called a spectrograph, to break apart the star's light and look for fingerprints of chemicals, in what is called a spectrum. What they found was very strange. "I had never seen anything like this before," said Lisse. "The spectrum was very unusual." After careful analysis, the researchers identified lots of amorphous silica, or essentially melted glass. Silica can be found on Earth in obsidian rocks and tektites. Obsidian is black, shiny volcanic glass. Tektites are hardened chunks of lava that are thought to form when meteorites hit Earth. Large quantities of orbiting silicon monoxide gas were also detected, created when much of the rock was vaporized. In addition, the astronomers found rocky rubble that was probably flung out from the planetary wreck. The mass of the dust and gas observed suggests the combined mass of the two charging bodies was more than twice that of our moon. Their speed must have been tremendous as well -- the two bodies would have to have been traveling at a velocity relative to each other of at least 10 kilometers per second (about 22,400 miles per hour) before the collision. Spitzer has witnessed the dusty aftermath of large asteroidal impacts before, but did not find evidence for the same type of violence -- melted and vaporized rock sprayed everywhere. Instead, large amounts of dust, gravel, and boulder-sized rubble were observed, indicating the collisions might have been slower-paced. "Almost all large impacts are like stately, slow-moving Titanic-versus-the-iceberg collisions, whereas this one must have been a huge fiery blast, over in the blink of an eye and full of fury," said Lisse. Other authors include C.H. Chen of the Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore, Md.; M.C. Wyatt of the University of Cambridge, England; A. Morlok of the Open University, London, England; I. Song of The University of Georgia, Athens, Ga.; and P. Sheehan of the University of Rochester, N.Y. JPL manages the Spitzer mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Science operations are conducted at the Spitzer Science Center at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. Caltech manages JPL for NASA. Spitzer's infrared spectrograph, which made the observations in 2004 before the telescope began its "warm" mission, was built by Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y. Its development was led by Jim Houck of Cornell. For more information about Spitzer, visit http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/spitzer and http://www.nasa.gov/spitzer . More information about NASA's planet-finding program is at http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov Whitney Clavin 818-354-4673 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. whitney.clavin at jpl.nasa.gov 2009-119 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Aug 10 20:12:16 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO Science Operations Resume Message-ID: <200908110012.n7B0CHlr002047@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-121 Science Operations Resume Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 10, 2009 Mars Recommaissance Orbiter Mission Status Report PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has been restored to full operations, making intensive science observations of Mars, four days after it unexpectedly switched to its backup computer. The mission's engineers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., and at Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, successfully transitioned the orbiter out of limited-activity "safe" mode on Saturday, Aug. 8, and resumed use of the spacecraft's science instruments on Monday, Aug. 10, at 2:32 p.m. PDT (5:32 p.m. EDT, or 21:32 UTC). The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter had spontaneously swapped from its "A" side computer and subsystems to the redundant "B" side on Aug. 6. Engineers are investigating the root cause for that event, which bore some similarities to side swaps by the orbiter in 2007 and 2008. The spacecraft has been studying Mars with an advanced set of instruments since 2006. It has returned more data about the planet than all other past and current missions to Mars combined. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov 2009-121 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Aug 10 20:04:43 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Found On Mars Yields Clues About Planet's Past Message-ID: <200908110004.n7B04hsc000236@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> August 10, 2009 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov Guy Webster Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-6278 gay.y.hill at jpl.nasa.gov RELEASE: 09-186 METEORITE FOUND ON MARS YIELDS CLUES ABOUT PLANET'S PAST PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Rover Opportunity is investigating a metallic meteorite the size of a large watermelon that is providing researchers more details about the Red Planet's environmental history. The rock, dubbed "Block Island," is larger than any other known meteorite on Mars. Scientists calculate it is too massive to have hit the ground without disintegrating unless Mars had a much thicker atmosphere than it has now when the rock fell. Atmosphere slows the descent of meteorites. Additional studies also may provide clues about how weathering has affected the rock since it fell. Two weeks ago, Opportunity had driven approximately 600 feet past the rock in a Mars region called Meridiani Planum. An image the rover had taken a few days earlier and stored was then transmitted back to Earth. The image showed the rock is approximately 2 feet in length, half that in height, and has a bluish tint that distinguishes it from other rocks in the area. The rover team decided to have Opportunity backtrack for a closer look, eventually touching Block Island with its robotic arm. "There's no question that it is an iron-nickel meteorite," said Ralf Gellert of the University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada. Gellert is the lead scientist for the rover's alpha particle X-ray spectrometer, an instrument on the arm used for identifying key elements in an object. "We already investigated several spots that showed elemental variations on the surface. This might tell us if and how the metal was altered since it landed on Mars." The microscopic imager on the arm revealed a distinctive triangular pattern in Block Island's surface texture, matching a pattern common in iron-nickel meteorites found on Earth. "Normally this pattern is exposed when the meteorite is cut, polished and etched with acid," said Tim McCoy, a rover team member from the Smithsonian Institution in Washington. "Sometimes it shows up on the surface of meteorites that have been eroded by windblown sand in deserts, and that appears to be what we see with Block Island." Opportunity found a smaller iron-nickel meteorite, called "Heat Shield Rock," in late 2004. At about a half ton or more, Block Island is roughly 10 times as massive as Heat Shield Rock and several times too big to have landed intact without more braking than today's Martian atmosphere could provide. "Consideration of existing model results indicates a meteorite this size requires a thicker atmosphere," said rover team member Matt Golombek of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "Either Mars has hidden reserves of carbon-dioxide ice that can supply large amounts of carbon-dioxide gas into the atmosphere during warm periods of more recent climate cycles, or Block Island fell billions of years ago." Spectrometer observations have already identified variations in the composition of Block Island at different points on the rock's surface. The differences could result from interaction of the rock with the Martian environment, where the metal becomes more rusted from weathering with longer exposures to water vapor or liquid. "We have lots of iron-nickel meteorites on Earth. We're using this meteorite as a way to study Mars," said Albert Yen, a rover team member at JPL. "Before we drive away from Block Island, we intend to examine more targets on this rock where the images show variations in color and texture. We're looking to see how extensively the rock surface has been altered, which helps us understand the history of the Martian climate since it fell." When the investigation of Block Island concludes, the team plans to resume driving Opportunity on a route from Victoria Crater, which the rover explored for two years, toward the much larger Endeavour Crater. Opportunity has covered about one-fifth of the 12-mile route plotted for safe travel to Endeavour since the rover left Victoria nearly a year ago. Opportunity and its twin rover, Spirit, landed on Mars in January 2004 for missions originally planned to last for three months. Both rovers show signs of aging but are still very able to continue to explore and study Mars. NASA'S JPL manages the Mars Exploration Rovers Opportunity and Spirit for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. To see the image and obtain more information about the rovers, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/rovers -end- From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Aug 10 20:01:32 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Novel Lunar Impactor Cleansed of Water (LCROSS) Message-ID: <200908110001.n7B01WM6028884@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.spaceflightnow.com/lcross/090810bakeout/ Novel lunar impactor cleansed of water BY STEPHEN CLARK SPACEFLIGHT NOW August 10, 2009 Nearly halfway through its crash course with the moon, NASA's lunar impact mission is being scrubbed of Earth water that could throw the probe off course and pollute potential ice on the moon. The mission will pass the halfway mark this week on its way to a pinpoint collision with the moon on Oct. 9. Debris from the impact plume will be analyzed in search of water molecules scientists believe could exist inside craters at the lunar poles. The Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite, or LCROSS, is tugging a two-and-a-half ton Centaur rocket coated in foam that collected water from humid air at the mission's Florida launch site. "When we're sitting on the pad, the Centaur, which we're impacting on the moon, is essentially a giant thermos bottle," said Tony Colaprete, the project's chief scientist at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif. The Centaur consists of two propellant tanks holding chilled liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. Foam applied to the outer shell of the rocket helps insulate the cold fuels from warm outside temperatures. But it can also attract and condense water from rain and humidity, common conditions at the Atlas 5 rocket's oceanfront launch pad at Cape Canaveral, Fla. "The foam absorbs quite a bit of water white it's sitting there, even for the short amount of time that it's in the elements in Florida on the launch pad," Colaprete said. Valves on the Centaur also build ice during fueling. "If you've seen the launch video from the rocketcams during the launch, looking down the Centaur, you can see icicles literally hanging off near the fill and drain valves lower down on the Atlas 5. It is that accumulated ice that we want to get rid of," Colaprete said. If the ice survived during the spacecraft's circuitous four-month voyage to the moon, the probe could be pushed off course and the scientific results of the $79 million mission could be skewed. "Our principal objective is to measure in situ water on the moon. We don't want to confuse our measurements by having some terrestrial water on the Centaur," Colaprete said. "The interesting thing is even though space is a vacuum, the water can sustain itself there if it's cold enough," said Paul Tompkins, LCROSS flight director. After propelling LCROSS and the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter toward the moon, the Centaur safed itself and vented leftover fuel from its tanks. United Launch Alliance, builder of the Atlas 5 rocket, assured NASA the Centaur would contain less than 220 pounds of residual water, hydrogen and oxygen at the end of its mission. Colaprete said the Centaur easily met that requirement, with the extra mass totaling approximately 143 pounds, according to engineers' best estimates. Instruments that will sense lunar debris thrown up by the Centaur's impact shouldn't detect such small amounts of Earth water, according to Colaprete. But Colaprete noticed evidence of a water cloud trailing the spacecraft during instrument testing in the early days of the mission. The water cloud was enough for the LCROSS navigation team to recommend a series of maneuvers called cold side bakeouts that turn the back side of the Centaur toward the sun. Such techniques had been discussed before launch, but were not in any mission plans. Because the LCROSS shepherding spacecraft has a fixed solar panel, the stack must stay in the same orientation during most of the mission to generate electricity. That means the other side of the Centaur remains very cold. "It's so cold that the ice just sits there and doesn't sublime very well, and certainly doesn't migrate out of the foam," Colaprete said. To remedy the situation, engineers sent commands for LCROSS to rotate the spacecraft 180 degrees. "We rotate the entire spacecraft around, go off of solar panel power and run on battery power, and just let that back side of the Centaur warm up," Colaprete said. Like ice on the Centaur side normally warmed by the sun, frozen water embedded in the cold part of the rocket will slowly turn to gas and float into space. "Once it gets exposed to that sunlight, it will warm up and those water constituents will start to bake out of the surface of the Centaur," Tompkins said. LCROSS navigators were concerned the uncontrolled Centaur could turn its cold side toward the sun after separating from the shepherding spacecraft. Boiling off water creates a small propulsive impulse that could push the Centaur off course right before impact. Scientists want to precisely aim the impactor to a specific point inside the target crater, so any errors could affect science results. "Those little molecules coming off and subliming actually impart their exit velocity to the Centaur and actually push it off target," Colaprete said. Now cruising nearly 300,000 miles from Earth, LCROSS has already completed two cold side bakeouts. At least one more maneuver is planned before impact. The first bakeout produced a velocity change of more than one-tenth of a foot per second, enough force to cause a "significant targeting error," Colaprete said. Several pounds of water boiling off could push the Centaur nearly two miles off course, according to Colaprete. Officials waited a month after the mission's June 18 launch to begin the bakeouts. The first few days were spent turning on the spacecraft and preparing for a swing past the moon. "The first week was just maddening for us on LCROSS. We had to essentially get all our trajectories right, get the swingby right and commission the payload for swingby calibrations. Once we did all that and we could actually catch our breath and catch up on our sleep, then we started saying, 'OK, let's assess our situation,'" Colaprete said. The swingby used lunar gravity to send LCROSS into a distant Earth orbit to set up for the October impact. "We swung from the Earth all the way out to lunar distance, and just as the moon goes by, it threw us into this super-high inclination, highly elliptical orbit around the Earth, but at about lunar distance. What that allowed us to do is phase our orbit such that in three months, we come back on the moon again and have a direct impact in the south pole," Tompkins said. LCROSS will separate from the Centaur less than 10 hours before getting back to the moon. The probe will slow itself down, allowing the empty rocket to pull ahead and strike the moon about four minutes before the shepherding spacecraft. The tightly choreographed impact sequence will occur around 1130 GMT (7:30 a.m. EDT) on Oct. 9, excavating more than a million pounds of lunar material, including potential water ice. Scientists still have not picked a target for the impact, but it will probably be one of eight permanently shadowed craters near the moon's south pole, according to Colaprete. Those eight craters were selected before launch based on the best available data from international lunar orbiters and ground-based radar. Officials are busily studying early results from LRO's mission to narrow down the list of finalists. A science meeting at Ames next week will include extensive discussion of potential impact sites. "Out of that meeting, I'll come away with hopefully a much more narrow list, from eight or so, which it is now, to maybe one or two," Colaprete said. Colaprete will make the final decision in early September, in time for LCROSS to fire its engines and tweak its trajectory to line up with its destination. NASA tentatively plans to announce the target crater around Sept. 10. From mike at meteoriteguy.com Mon Aug 10 20:24:11 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc and Moss adventure pages loaded Message-ID: <492923.30944.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I have been working all day to get both Berduc and Moss adventure pages up and loaded. Please take a look, strewnfield maps on the pages. http://www.meteoriteguy.com/adventures.htm thanks for all the responses and corrections, trying to get them implemented. Michael Farmer From fcressy at prodigy.net Mon Aug 10 21:17:04 2009 From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk In-Reply-To: <62619C1D3ADB4A0396D297A6F1971D82@Bandli1> References: <62619C1D3ADB4A0396D297A6F1971D82@Bandli1> Message-ID: <35918.86964.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Martin, Mike, and all, I've always liked Bogou too, probably because of the photo below from Al Lang's site.? Unfortunately I don't have a specimen :-( http://www.nyrockman.com/museum/bogou-8.htm Al's?etched part slice has a very cool heat-affected rim on it.? Of course the question?concernimg your specimens is:? Do they also have a heat-affected rim?? ?and do you a). refinish and etch it to see, or b). leave as is. (Just thought I'd add another variable to the equation) Cheers, Frank ________________________________ From: Mike Bandli To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:46:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk Hello Martin and All, http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/august/Accretion_Desk.htm It?s nice to see a witnessed iron on the Accretion Desk this month. It is quite easy to forget that witnessed iron falls are incredibly rare. In fact, according to the MetBull database, witnessed HED?s are more abundant than irons at ~69 witnessed HED achondrites to ~49 witnessed irons. Even at that number, iron falls are so highly prized by museums and institutions, that you are lucky to find anything outside of Sikote-Alin, Udei Station, or the occasional Boguslavka or Braunau. I was surprised to see that Martin?s piece has a ?hack-saw? cut job ? something I thought was unique to my piece of Bogou: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-3.jpg I purchased my Bogou several years ago (ex. Cureton Collection) sight-unseen and re-etching and cutting off the hack-saw marks and 'hanging chads' has always been on my to-do list until I read Martin?s article. It is easy to forget that those blemishes can actually help tell the story and human interaction involved with particular specimens. In fact, I think a hacked-up Bogou looks just fine now ? Martin also reminds us of how delicate and rare -real- fusion crust on an iron is. On Bogou, it is like the thin crust of a croissant and can easily flake off if not handled properly: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-2.jpg Finally, the ?good? side, showing the curvature of the specimen. One can only imagine how impressive a full slice would be: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-1.jpg Martin, I wonder if our specimens shared a jar with the Cureton Collection? 6 Irons Old, Mike Bandli ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Mon Aug 10 21:39:22 2009 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:39:22 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk In-Reply-To: <35918.86964.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <62619C1D3ADB4A0396D297A6F1971D82@Bandli1> <35918.86964.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Frank, That piece is beautiful and the re-heated rim is incredible. I believe Jay Piatek is the current and proud owner. I'm afraid to refinish or etch mine, as it would risk losing what little of the frail fusion crust remains. Cheers, Mike Bandli -----Original Message----- From: Frank Cressy [mailto:fcressy at prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:17 PM To: Mike Bandli; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk Hi Martin, Mike, and all, I've always liked Bogou too, probably because of the photo below from Al Lang's site. Unfortunately I don't have a specimen :-( http://www.nyrockman.com/museum/bogou-8.htm Al's etched part slice has a very cool heat-affected rim on it. Of course the question concernimg your specimens is: Do they also have a heat-affected rim? and do you a). refinish and etch it to see, or b). leave as is. (Just thought I'd add another variable to the equation) Cheers, Frank ________________________________ From: Mike Bandli To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:46:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk Hello Martin and All, http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/august/Accretion_Desk.htm It?s nice to see a witnessed iron on the Accretion Desk this month. It is quite easy to forget that witnessed iron falls are incredibly rare. In fact, according to the MetBull database, witnessed HED?s are more abundant than irons at ~69 witnessed HED achondrites to ~49 witnessed irons. Even at that number, iron falls are so highly prized by museums and institutions, that you are lucky to find anything outside of Sikote-Alin, Udei Station, or the occasional Boguslavka or Braunau. I was surprised to see that Martin?s piece has a ?hack-saw? cut job ? something I thought was unique to my piece of Bogou: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-3.jpg I purchased my Bogou several years ago (ex. Cureton Collection) sight-unseen and re-etching and cutting off the hack-saw marks and 'hanging chads' has always been on my to-do list until I read Martin?s article. It is easy to forget that those blemishes can actually help tell the story and human interaction involved with particular specimens. In fact, I think a hacked-up Bogou looks just fine now ? Martin also reminds us of how delicate and rare -real- fusion crust on an iron is. On Bogou, it is like the thin crust of a croissant and can easily flake off if not handled properly: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-2.jpg Finally, the ?good? side, showing the curvature of the specimen. One can only imagine how impressive a full slice would be: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-1.jpg Martin, I wonder if our specimens shared a jar with the Cureton Collection? 6 Irons Old, Mike Bandli ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 10 22:35:12 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:35:12 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc and Moss adventure pages loaded In-Reply-To: <492923.30944.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <492923.30944.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh, Canada?... ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:24:11 -0700 > From: mike at meteoriteguy.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc and Moss adventure pages loaded > > > I have been working all day to get both Berduc and Moss adventure pages up and loaded. > Please take a look, strewnfield maps on the pages. > > http://www.meteoriteguy.com/adventures.htm > > thanks for all the responses and corrections, trying to get them implemented. > Michael Farmer > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 10 22:41:22 2009 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:41:22 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> <200908101750.n7AHoXO04351@levee.wustl.edu> Message-ID: Hi, Randy, List, Timorous about questioning "experts," local or otherwise, I find the notion that a meteorite could sit on (or near) the surface of Mars undisturbed for four billion years to be most unlikely, also the assumption that there was no denser atmosphere for the last four billion years, also the assumption that a denser atmosphere is required. I also feel that there's a misconception about meteoritic re-entry here. Common sense makes us want to question the "soft landing" of any iron meteorite, but every surficial iron meteorite cannot be excavated or exposed from any great depth. First, only very slow (relatively) moving objects penetrate the soil rather than vaporize, so the depth of burial is always shallow. Second, one has only to look at HOBA, now weighing in at 60 tons, but estimated to have been 100 tons at landing (from the quantity of iron shale in a roughly circular disc surrounding it. Presumably, at "landing," it had a shape very much like the Martian iron in question (but a lot bigger), and its thinner edges have oxidized away, leaving the present "blocky" core. How did a 100 ton chuck of iron make a soft landing on the Earth? (You tell me how HOBA did it; I'll tell you how BLOCK ISLAND did it.) The answer is: "it flew," like the Space Shuttle "flies" (my candidate for Scariest Glider of All Time, except for the WWII Soviet "Flying Tank"). It flew at a steep angle, yes, but it flew. Flight depends on the atmosphere, and the chief factor in the difference between the Martian and Terrestrial atmospheres is the scale height. The rate at which pressure declines with altitude is characterized by the scale height, the altitude at which pressure has dropped by a factor of "e" (nat. log. base = 2.718281828). The scale height of the Martian atmosphere is about 11 kilometers; for the Earth, it's only about 6 kilometers. The formula for the scale height is H = ( k * T ) / ( M * g ), where k = Gas constant = 8.314 J?(mole K)^-1, T = mean planetary surface temperature in Kelvin degrees, M = mean molecular mass of dry air (units kg?mole^-1), g = acceleration due to gravity on planetary surface. Molecular mass of the Martian atmosphere is about 50% greater then the Earth's "M," but "g" is only 38% of the Earth's. Planets with lower gravity have "taller" atmospheres, if you want to remember it the easy way. There are always "wrinkles" to ideal gas formulas. At very high altitudes, the "air" is so thin that diffusion is easy, so every species of gas molecule has "its own" scale height nearer the top of the atmosphere. But Mars' atmosphere is almost entirely carbon dioxide, so that factor doesn't change the results much. Atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars varies from around 30 Pascals on Olympus Mons to over 1155 Pascals in the depths of Hellas Planitia, with a mean surface level pressure of 600 Pascals. This is less than 1% of the surface pressure on Earth (101,300 Pascals). The equivalent pressure in the atmospheres of the two planets can be found in Mars' thin atmosphere at a height of 34-35 km, where the pressure is the same above either planet's surface. Here's where it gets to be fun. The Martian atmosphere at 60 to 80 kilometers above the surface, or 100 kilometers, is DENSER than the atmosphere of the Earth at that height. And that is the range of heights at which most meteors "light up" or begin to ablate. In fact, all Martian atmospheric densities at altitudes above 34 kilometers are greater than the density of the Earth's atmosphere at the same height, due to the fact that the pressure falls off less steeply than is the case in the Earth's atmosphere. So, the meteoroid that would "light up" at 60 km in the Earth's atmosphere, will presumably "light up" at a higher altitude in the Martian atmosphere. It may very well be slowed enough to terminate its ablative flight at a higher altitude on Mars than the Earth because of the increased density above 34 kilometers. But it would likely "stagnate" at a lower altitude (for the same reason of density), then have a shorter but slower "dark fall" in the lesser Martian gravity. For "normal" meteoritic fall, the problem becomes "Watch that bottom step; it's a doozy!" But by the time the smaller meteorite encounters (IF it survives that deep) the lower atmosphere where the density is less than in Earth's atmosphere, it's usually already lost most of its "cosmic" velocity and is traveling at sub-sonic speeds. (The speed of sound is of course different for Mars' atmosphere also.) It is in the most survivable phase of it re-entry by then. However, if the newly-arrived meteoroid is a lenticular or even rectangular "chip" (helpfully arriving a low entry angle and/or a slower-than-usual entry velocity), it will tend to stabilize in flight. First surface ablation only improves its aerodynamic characteristics. So, when one says that for such a landing, it is necessary that Mars have a more substantial atmosphere, well... The fact is that Mars HAS a more substantial atmosphere than the Earth, at least above 34 km. And that's where all the action is... or most of it. I'm quite certain that Mars has as many or more meteors in its skies than the Earth. Besides having a more dense upper atmosphere, Mars is in the right neighborhood for stray rocks. Shower meteors in the skies of Mars have been photographed by the Spirit rover: http://www.obspm.fr/actual/nouvelle/jun05/meteor.en.shtml As for not finding any "other meteorites" as big as this one, we've found how many? ONE other meteorite, I believe. Pretty small sample to generalize from, don't you think? And we've searched how much of the planet's surface? I understand that the official NASA position is that a thicker atmosphere is required: http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-10-2009/0005075085&EDATE= "Scientists calculate it is too massive to have hit the ground without disintegrating unless Mars had a much thicker atmosphere than it has now." Ah, yes, "scientists calculate..." The press release has spoken. Sterling K. Webb ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Korotev" To: Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D > Carl et al. > > Regarding the Block Island meteorite on Mars... > > I asked "Why does it have regmaglypts?" of our local Mars expert, Ray > Arvidson, who is Deputy Principal Investigator of the Mars Exploration > Rover Mission. He had mentioned the existence of the meteorite to me > several weeks ago. He said that the fall happened "4 billion years > ago," when Mars had a more substantial atmosphere. This makes sense > to me because we've never seen a meteorite this size on the Moon. On > the Moon meteoroids impact at several tens of kilometers per second, > and vaporize. In order to survive as a whole rock, Block Island must > have been decelerated by an atmosphere. (I'm sure that meteoroids > hitting Mars are impacting at lower velocities than those hitting > Earth-Moon, but I don't know the numbers.) > > The area where the meteorite was found is a deflation surface - like > Roosevelt Co., NM, and places in Antarctica. It was buried for a long > time and then exposed when the dust blew away. They know it's a > deflation surface because the surface is "young" - the crater count is > very low. > > Only after writing the above did I find some 3D glasses and actually > looked at the image. Most of the "holes" don't look so much like > regmaglypts to me. Maybe some are chemical weathering features. > There will probably be some more info about this meteorite coming out > later. Ray said that there is a great interest on what kind of > chemical reactions it's experienced. > > Randy Korotev > Washington University > > > > > At 11:54 07-08-09 Friday, you wrote: >>Pete, List, >>Very interesting photo. >>I have a question about it's morphology? >>Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? >>Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I >>thought Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of >>surface materials? It was my understanding that the material ablated >>away as it passed through the atmosphere . If that is so then why does >>it look the same on Mars. >>Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it >>entered Mars' atmosphere? >>Just curious. >>-- >>Carl or Debbie Esparza >>IMCA 5829 >>Meteoritemax >> >> >>---- Pete Pete wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi, all, >> > >> > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! >> > >> > (note the full resolution link) >> > >> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >> > >> > >> > It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Pete >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! >> > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 >> > ______________________________________________ >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 10 23:10:15 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:10:15 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> <200908101750.n7AHoXO04351@levee.wustl.edu> Message-ID: That was an enlightening read, Sterling. :) Thanks for the detailed explanation! On 8/10/09, Sterling K. Webb wrote: > Hi, Randy, List, > > Timorous about questioning "experts," local or otherwise, > I find the notion that a meteorite could sit on (or near) the > surface of Mars undisturbed for four billion years to be most > unlikely, also the assumption that there was no denser > atmosphere for the last four billion years, also the assumption > that a denser atmosphere is required. I also feel that there's > a misconception about meteoritic re-entry here. > > Common sense makes us want to question the "soft landing" > of any iron meteorite, but every surficial iron meteorite cannot > be excavated or exposed from any great depth. First, only very > slow (relatively) moving objects penetrate the soil rather than > vaporize, so the depth of burial is always shallow. Second, one > has only to look at HOBA, now weighing in at 60 tons, but > estimated to have been 100 tons at landing (from the quantity > of iron shale in a roughly circular disc surrounding it. Presumably, > at "landing," it had a shape very much like the Martian iron > in question (but a lot bigger), and its thinner edges have oxidized > away, leaving the present "blocky" core. > > How did a 100 ton chuck of iron make a soft landing on the > Earth? (You tell me how HOBA did it; I'll tell you how BLOCK > ISLAND did it.) The answer is: "it flew," like the Space Shuttle > "flies" (my candidate for Scariest Glider of All Time, except for > the WWII Soviet "Flying Tank"). It flew at a steep angle, yes, > but it flew. > > Flight depends on the atmosphere, and the chief factor in > the difference between the Martian and Terrestrial atmospheres > is the scale height. The rate at which pressure declines with > altitude is characterized by the scale height, the altitude at > which pressure has dropped by a factor of "e" (nat. log. base = > 2.718281828). The scale height of the Martian atmosphere > is about 11 kilometers; for the Earth, it's only about 6 kilometers. > > The formula for the scale height is H = ( k * T ) / ( M * g ), > where k = Gas constant = 8.314 J?(mole K)^-1, T = mean > planetary surface temperature in Kelvin degrees, M = mean > molecular mass of dry air (units kg?mole^-1), g = acceleration > due to gravity on planetary surface. > > Molecular mass of the Martian atmosphere is about 50% greater > then the Earth's "M," but "g" is only 38% of the Earth's. Planets with > lower gravity have "taller" atmospheres, if you want to remember > it the easy way. There are always "wrinkles" to ideal gas formulas. > At very high altitudes, the "air" is so thin that diffusion is easy, > so every species of gas molecule has "its own" scale height nearer > the top of the atmosphere. But Mars' atmosphere is almost entirely > carbon dioxide, so that factor doesn't change the results much. > > Atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars varies from around > 30 Pascals on Olympus Mons to over 1155 Pascals in the depths > of Hellas Planitia, with a mean surface level pressure of 600 Pascals. > This is less than 1% of the surface pressure on Earth (101,300 > Pascals). The equivalent pressure in the atmospheres of the two > planets can be found in Mars' thin atmosphere at a height of > 34-35 km, where the pressure is the same above either planet's > surface. > > Here's where it gets to be fun. The Martian atmosphere at 60 > to 80 kilometers above the surface, or 100 kilometers, is DENSER > than the atmosphere of the Earth at that height. And that is the > range of heights at which most meteors "light up" or begin to ablate. > In fact, all Martian atmospheric densities at altitudes above 34 > kilometers are greater than the density of the Earth's atmosphere > at the same height, due to the fact that the pressure falls off less > steeply than is the case in the Earth's atmosphere. > > So, the meteoroid that would "light up" at 60 km in the Earth's > atmosphere, will presumably "light up" at a higher altitude in the > Martian atmosphere. It may very well be slowed enough to terminate > its ablative flight at a higher altitude on Mars than the Earth because > of the increased density above 34 kilometers. But it would likely > "stagnate" at a lower altitude (for the same reason of density), then > have a shorter but slower "dark fall" in the lesser Martian gravity. > > For "normal" meteoritic fall, the problem becomes "Watch that > bottom step; it's a doozy!" But by the time the smaller meteorite > encounters (IF it survives that deep) the lower atmosphere where > the density is less than in Earth's atmosphere, it's usually already > lost most of its "cosmic" velocity and is traveling at sub-sonic speeds. > (The speed of sound is of course different for Mars' atmosphere > also.) It is in the most survivable phase of it re-entry by then. > > However, if the newly-arrived meteoroid is a lenticular or even > rectangular "chip" (helpfully arriving a low entry angle and/or a > slower-than-usual entry velocity), it will tend to stabilize in flight. > First surface ablation only improves its aerodynamic characteristics. > So, when one says that for such a landing, it is necessary that Mars > have a more substantial atmosphere, well... The fact is that Mars > HAS a more substantial atmosphere than the Earth, at least above > 34 km. And that's where all the action is... or most of it. > > I'm quite certain that Mars has as many or more meteors in its > skies than the Earth. Besides having a more dense upper atmosphere, > Mars is in the right neighborhood for stray rocks. Shower meteors > in the skies of Mars have been photographed by the Spirit rover: > http://www.obspm.fr/actual/nouvelle/jun05/meteor.en.shtml > > As for not finding any "other meteorites" as big as this one, we've > found how many? ONE other meteorite, I believe. Pretty small sample > to generalize from, don't you think? And we've searched how much > of the planet's surface? > > I understand that the official NASA position is that a thicker > atmosphere is required: > http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-10-2009/0005075085&EDATE= > "Scientists calculate it is too massive to have hit the ground without > disintegrating unless Mars had a much thicker atmosphere than it > has now." Ah, yes, "scientists calculate..." The press release has > spoken. > > > Sterling K. Webb > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Korotev" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D > > >> Carl et al. >> >> Regarding the Block Island meteorite on Mars... >> >> I asked "Why does it have regmaglypts?" of our local Mars expert, Ray >> Arvidson, who is Deputy Principal Investigator of the Mars Exploration >> Rover Mission. He had mentioned the existence of the meteorite to me >> several weeks ago. He said that the fall happened "4 billion years >> ago," when Mars had a more substantial atmosphere. This makes sense >> to me because we've never seen a meteorite this size on the Moon. On >> the Moon meteoroids impact at several tens of kilometers per second, >> and vaporize. In order to survive as a whole rock, Block Island must >> have been decelerated by an atmosphere. (I'm sure that meteoroids >> hitting Mars are impacting at lower velocities than those hitting >> Earth-Moon, but I don't know the numbers.) >> >> The area where the meteorite was found is a deflation surface - like >> Roosevelt Co., NM, and places in Antarctica. It was buried for a long >> time and then exposed when the dust blew away. They know it's a >> deflation surface because the surface is "young" - the crater count is >> very low. >> >> Only after writing the above did I find some 3D glasses and actually >> looked at the image. Most of the "holes" don't look so much like >> regmaglypts to me. Maybe some are chemical weathering features. >> There will probably be some more info about this meteorite coming out >> later. Ray said that there is a great interest on what kind of >> chemical reactions it's experienced. >> >> Randy Korotev >> Washington University >> >> >> >> >> At 11:54 07-08-09 Friday, you wrote: >>>Pete, List, >>>Very interesting photo. >>>I have a question about it's morphology? >>>Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? >>>Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I >>>thought Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of >>>surface materials? It was my understanding that the material ablated >>>away as it passed through the atmosphere . If that is so then why does >>>it look the same on Mars. >>>Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it >>>entered Mars' atmosphere? >>>Just curious. >>>-- >>>Carl or Debbie Esparza >>>IMCA 5829 >>>Meteoritemax >>> >>> >>>---- Pete Pete wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi, all, >>> > >>> > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! >>> > >>> > (note the full resolution link) >>> > >>> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >>> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html >>> > >>> > >>> > It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. >>> > >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Pete >>> > _________________________________________________________________ >>> > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! >>> > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 >>> > ______________________________________________ >>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> > Meteorite-list mailing list >>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>______________________________________________ >>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>Meteorite-list mailing list >>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From pshugar at clearwire.net Mon Aug 10 23:54:47 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:54:47 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Nasa Touts Kepler probe discoveries Message-ID: <02E6666D3C3B40268A0C6E9DD1693D76@laptop> List, In the Sunday edition of the Amarillo Globe-News on page 21A is a very nice article on the Kepler Probe. This device has the finest light detection system of any instrument in orbit by a factor of over 100 times over anything ground based. This means it can detect the difference in light intensity from a solar system that is in the constellation Cygnus with a Jupiter class planet that passes in front of the star (a transit of the sun). The planet is called HAT-P-7b. All in all, a fine tool to explore the universe. It may even be able to help answer the age old question: "Are we alone?" Pete IMCA 1733 From cynapse at charter.net Tue Aug 11 02:02:08 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:02:08 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: References: <20090807125401.8TEJP.57204.imail@fed1rmwml42> <200908101750.n7AHoXO04351@levee.wustl.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:41:22 -0500, you wrote: > As for not finding any "other meteorites" as big as this one, we've >found how many? ONE other meteorite, I believe. More than two total: Following the identification of Heat Shield rock as a meteorite, two additional nickel-iron meteorites were identified by the Spirit rover (unofficially named "Allan Hills" and "Zhong Shan"), and several candidate stony meteorites have been identified on Mars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_Shield_Rock From drtanuki at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 02:06:59 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Matt Morgan on 9 News DENVER- Meteorites Message-ID: <595797.24127.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo From mike at meteoriteguy.com Tue Aug 11 10:42:18 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Bells CM2 ending tonight on ebay Message-ID: <711929.22114.qm@web1101.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I have more than 50 one-cent ebay meteorites ending tonight. Many very nice items this week, including the rarest of the rare, BElls CM2 meteorite. See all available items at the link below, there are way too many to list here. http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/ Thanks Michael Farmer From cynapse at charter.net Tue Aug 11 15:22:06 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:22:06 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Block Island and the Boffins In-Reply-To: <02E6666D3C3B40268A0C6E9DD1693D76@laptop> References: <02E6666D3C3B40268A0C6E9DD1693D76@laptop> Message-ID: This is a different shot of Block Island than I've seen before: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/11/block_island_in_close/ "Boffin" is apparenlty foriegn for "scientist." Not to be confused with a "bloody wanker git." From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Tue Aug 11 15:37:53 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Mineral Made in the Lab (Wadsleyite) Message-ID: <200908111937.n7BJbrV3003107@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8194292.stm Meteorite mineral made in the lab By Victoria Gill BBC News August 11, 2009 By slamming materials together, scientists have made a mineral that is found naturally only in meteorites and the deep layers of Earth's mantle. Their successful "shock" experiment reveals new clues about the formation of our early Solar System. The team report the production of the mineral wadsleyite in the journal PNAS. Its creation in the lab shows that objects that collided to form the planets may have been far smaller than previously thought. This could aid understanding of how the dust and gas that made up our Solar System around 4.6 billion years ago fused into planets. The team, led by Thomas Ahrens at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), in Pasadena, recreated early Solar System collisions in the laboratory by launching a bullet down a long gun at two materials - magnesium oxide and silicon dioxide (or quartz). The two materials were embedded in a steel recovery chamber, bolted to the muzzle of the gun. "We launched a tantalum bullet that struck the steel chamber and generated a shock wave that travelled through the steel and into the sample," explained Paul Asimow, an author of the study, also a researcher at Caltech. "As [the wave] propagated through the material, it generated high pressures and high temperatures for a very short time." By sawing the steel chamber in half, the scientists were able to recover the sample and examine what they had created using a series of sensitive analytical techniques. "We confirmed, using scanning electron microscopy, that it was wadsleyite. And that also allowed us to determine the size of the grains," said Dr Asimow. "That's a key part of our study - we not only made wadsleyite, we made grains of it that were at least a few micrometres (a few thousandths of a millimetre) in size." Short shock Previous experiments have succeeded in making wadsleyite, but these efforts involved putting samples under very high pressures for long periods. This is the first time the mineral has been made in a shock experiment. Dr Asimow explained that, prior to this, most scientists believed that the mineral took a relatively long time to make - and that the meteorites containing it would have to be subjected to high pressures for a few seconds. Here, the researchers made it in a microsecond - or one millionth of a second. "These shock waves travel at speeds in the order of 10km per second, so in order to stay at high pressure for a whole second, you would need to run together two things that are 10km in diameter," said Dr Asimow. Creating the mineral within a microsecond shows that the pressure necessary to create it could be generated by the impact of objects just a few metres in diameter. "Everything about 4.6 billion years ago was gas and dust, but somehow we ended up with large planets," said Dr Asimow. "Those dust particles accreted into larger and larger objects. And, it's important for us to understand that process to understand the geochemistry of the Earth." Douglas Rumble, a geophysicist from The Carnegie Institution of Washington said: "One now has to consider whether shock features in meteorites could have been caused by small or large collisions." "The next step is to do more experiments and try additional techniques that give [very high] resolution so we can understand the shapes and microstructures... of the wadsleyite crystals." From mlblood at cox.net Tue Aug 11 16:42:41 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:42:41 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can u post to the list for me I've updated the news on qmig.org to give an idea where I'm heading for the next week or so - I have some lovely pix of the Miles and Arrabury main masses to upload - also some of the lab data from Miles - maybe even some ancient newspaper articles on the Rockhampton meteorite Once I get that out of the way I can back to my plan of some serious horsetrading with museums and then the QMIG collection will be getting something very very special as well as more main mass pix to upload and methinx a lot more articles Still a lot of projects in motion, on the backburner or on autopilot but everything plods away in its own time Tell the list that Steve ARNOLD (Chicago) is unhelpful if not uncivil just in case they don't already know Must be time for him to put his foot in his mouth again and be thrown off the list again... Cheers From bencubbin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 17:27:56 2009 From: bencubbin at hotmail.com (Howard Steffic) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:27:56 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Was it necessary for you to post the comment about Steve Arnold? YOU should be thrown off the list Michael for forwarding such crap to this list. It is bad enough that everyone jumps down Steve's throat themselves without you forwarding for someone who for some reason can not post to the list. Thanks for the spam. Howard Steffic > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:42:41 -0700 > From: mlblood at cox.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker > > Can u post to the list for me > > I've updated the news on qmig.org to give an idea where I'm heading for the > next week or so - I have some lovely pix of the Miles and Arrabury main > masses > to upload - also some of the lab data from Miles - maybe even some ancient > newspaper articles on the Rockhampton meteorite > > Once I get that out of the way I can back to my plan of some serious > horsetrading with museums and then the QMIG collection will be getting > something very very special as well as more main mass pix to upload and > methinx a lot more articles > > Still a lot of projects in motion, on the backburner or on autopilot but > everything plods away in its own time > > Tell the list that Steve ARNOLD (Chicago) is unhelpful if not uncivil just > in > case they don't already know > > Must be time for him to put his foot in his mouth again and be thrown off > the > list again... > > Cheers > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 From geoking at notkin.net Tue Aug 11 18:10:58 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:10:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites Message-ID: <753D6533-8A74-46F7-9C85-792BACFCE991@notkin.net> Dear Listees: A friendly reminder that the Perseids are expected to peak tonight/ tomorrow morning for those of you who are enjoying clear skies. It is unusually cloudy in Tucson at the moment. Overseas members and those who don't get Science Channel, may enjoy watching a series of video excerpts from "Meteorite Men," currently featured as "Top Video" on the front page of the Science Channel website: http://science.discovery.com You can also find viewing tips for the Perseids, a meteor/meteorite quiz, and a rather well done "Top 10 Meteorites" section on the Science site. They have been busy! http://science.discovery.com/space/meteors/meteors.html?campaign=sci-int-hp-dl2-meteor87 Regards, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org www.tucsoncitizen.com/lizard From gmhupe at htn.net Tue Aug 11 19:02:30 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:02:30 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites References: <753D6533-8A74-46F7-9C85-792BACFCE991@notkin.net> Message-ID: <969E3629563F4BCBAF9BE1BBD3F28789@Gregor> Hi Geoff and List, Couldn't find the "Top 10 Meteorites"..., 'Perseids' (per-say)... yes, pun-fun intended! :-), but I did find this great Top 10 on Science Channel (check out #1, now we can all appreciate that!): http://science.discovery.com/top-ten/2009/duct-tape/duct-tape.html Hope anyone who can look up at the sky tonight gets to see a few shooting stars!! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Notkin" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight,"Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites > Dear Listees: > > A friendly reminder that the Perseids are expected to peak tonight/ > tomorrow morning for those of you who are enjoying clear skies. It is > unusually cloudy in Tucson at the moment. > > Overseas members and those who don't get Science Channel, may enjoy > watching a series of video excerpts from "Meteorite Men," currently > featured as "Top Video" on the front page of the Science Channel website: > > http://science.discovery.com > > > You can also find viewing tips for the Perseids, a meteor/meteorite quiz, > and a rather well done "Top 10 Meteorites" section on the Science site. > They have been busy! > > http://science.discovery.com/space/meteors/meteors.html?campaign=sci-int-hp-dl2-meteor87 > > > Regards, > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > www.tucsoncitizen.com/lizard > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From geoking at notkin.net Tue Aug 11 19:16:25 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:16:25 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites In-Reply-To: <969E3629563F4BCBAF9BE1BBD3F28789@Gregor> References: <753D6533-8A74-46F7-9C85-792BACFCE991@notkin.net> <969E3629563F4BCBAF9BE1BBD3F28789@Gregor> Message-ID: <051FE4F3-3E79-46E9-B959-012CFC5AD6D9@notkin.net> Dear Greg: Thanks for the reply. Sorry, there are a bunch of links connected from that one page and I didn't specify which was which : ) Here is the "Top 10 Meteorites" section: http://science.discovery.com/top-ten/2009/meteors/meteors.html Cheers, Geoff From meteorites at online.nl Tue Aug 11 19:19:47 2009 From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:19:47 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites In-Reply-To: <969E3629563F4BCBAF9BE1BBD3F28789@Gregor> References: <753D6533-8A74-46F7-9C85-792BACFCE991@notkin.net> <969E3629563F4BCBAF9BE1BBD3F28789@Gregor> Message-ID: <9C4A743DF6BF41A190529605342F4FB8@laptop> 01.14 midnight here in Holland, So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour. Guess it's not to much firework so far.... Good luck tonight for the ones who live in the real dark areas in the west !! Jan, Holland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Hupe" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight,"Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites > Hi Geoff and List, > > Couldn't find the "Top 10 Meteorites"..., 'Perseids' (per-say)... yes, > pun-fun intended! :-), but I did find this great Top 10 on Science Channel > (check out #1, now we can all appreciate that!): > http://science.discovery.com/top-ten/2009/duct-tape/duct-tape.html > > Hope anyone who can look up at the sky tonight gets to see a few shooting > stars!! > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Notkin" > To: "Meteorite List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:10 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight,"Meteorite Men" videos on > Science > site, Top 10 Meteorites > > >> Dear Listees: >> >> A friendly reminder that the Perseids are expected to peak tonight/ >> tomorrow morning for those of you who are enjoying clear skies. It is >> unusually cloudy in Tucson at the moment. >> >> Overseas members and those who don't get Science Channel, may enjoy >> watching a series of video excerpts from "Meteorite Men," currently >> featured as "Top Video" on the front page of the Science Channel >> website: >> >> http://science.discovery.com >> >> >> You can also find viewing tips for the Perseids, a meteor/meteorite >> quiz, >> and a rather well done "Top 10 Meteorites" section on the Science site. >> They have been busy! >> >> http://science.discovery.com/space/meteors/meteors.html?campaign=sci-int-hp-dl2-meteor87 >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Geoff N. >> >> www.aerolite.org >> www.meteoritemen.com >> www.meteoriteblog.org >> www.tucsoncitizen.com/lizard >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00 From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Tue Aug 11 19:25:26 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 11 Aug 2009 23:25:26 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight Message-ID: Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so far :-( It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was able to see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big Dipper, and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no Perseids :-( > Guess it's not too much firework so far A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs UT, which translates into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow morning for us here in Europe. Best from cloudy Southern Germany, Bernd From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 19:48:33 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:48:33 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Silicated Campo question Message-ID: Hi All, What are those silicated Campos? Are they irons that have not yet completed it's differentiation, similar to pallasites? Or are they more like mesosiderites with the silicated material from an asteroid that have impacted another asteroid to the iron core? Or are they something else? Are the two materials unrelated to each other as in mesosiderites? Doesn't matter at this point whether or not they are Campos (I remember reading somewhere they were found several hundred miles away), it's just a name anyway, but to my untrained eye they look more like mesos. Also, is the Toluca (b)(?) formed the same way? Thanks in advance. Carl _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From majbaermann at web.de Tue Aug 11 19:47:58 2009 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:47:58 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight References: Message-ID: Jan, Bernd & other Perseids aficionados , - as far as I'm informed the climax this year is expected for the night wednesday/thursday = next night. My best, Matthias ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:25 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." > > So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so far :-( > It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was able to > see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big Dipper, > and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no Perseids :-( > >> Guess it's not too much firework so far > > A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs UT, which > translates > into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow morning for us here > in Europe. > > > Best from cloudy > Southern Germany, > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteorites at online.nl Tue Aug 11 20:02:26 2009 From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:02:26 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ........So you want to give us another sleepless night Matthias? ( I actually know the "big event" will be tomorrownight but it's gonna rain here they say......sniff....) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias B?rmann" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > Jan, Bernd & other Perseids aficionados , - > > as far as I'm informed the climax this year is expected for the night > wednesday/thursday = next night. > > My best, > > Matthias > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:25 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > > >> Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." >> >> So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so far :-( >> It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was able to >> see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big Dipper, >> and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no Perseids :-( >> >>> Guess it's not too much firework so far >> >> A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs UT, which >> translates >> into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow morning for us >> here >> in Europe. >> >> >> Best from cloudy >> Southern Germany, >> >> Bernd >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00 From damoclid at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 20:10:00 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No it is tonight. See the Sky & Telescope page: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/home/52204947.html We should pass though the 1610 stream around 9UT, but there may be another, smaller peak around 5UT and the "standard peak" should be around 18UT. All of them tonight. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Matthias B?rmann wrote: > From: Matthias B?rmann > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 4:47 PM > Jan, Bernd & other Perseids > aficionados , - > > as far as I'm informed the climax this year is expected for > the night > wednesday/thursday = next night. > > My best, > > Matthias > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:25 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > > > > Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." > > > > So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so > far :-( > > It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was > able to > > see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big > Dipper, > > and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no > Perseids :-( > > > >> Guess it's not too much firework so far > > > > A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs > UT, which > > translates > > into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow > morning for us here > > in Europe. > > > > > > Best from cloudy > > Southern Germany, > > > > Bernd > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From meteorites at online.nl Tue Aug 11 20:16:45 2009 From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:16:45 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9BFF070B0E174EBFB06C627B0CD9392F@laptop> .......that's it !!.....I'm lost. I'm goin' to bed. The heck with those Perseids !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kowalski" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight No it is tonight. See the Sky & Telescope page: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/home/52204947.html We should pass though the 1610 stream around 9UT, but there may be another, smaller peak around 5UT and the "standard peak" should be around 18UT. All of them tonight. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Matthias B?rmann wrote: > From: Matthias B?rmann > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 4:47 PM > Jan, Bernd & other Perseids > aficionados , - > > as far as I'm informed the climax this year is expected for > the night > wednesday/thursday = next night. > > My best, > > Matthias > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:25 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > > > > Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." > > > > So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so > far :-( > > It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was > able to > > see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big > Dipper, > > and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no > Perseids :-( > > > >> Guess it's not too much firework so far > > > > A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs > UT, which > > translates > > into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow > morning for us here > > in Europe. > > > > > > Best from cloudy > > Southern Germany, > > > > Bernd > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00 From mike at meteoriteguy.com Tue Aug 11 20:22:20 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Many items still at one cent ending in minutes Message-ID: <329885.73395.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I don't know what is up with ebay, but lots of rare meteorites still at one cent with an hour to go, including Carancas and achondrites! Go get um you guys. http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/ From damoclid at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 20:23:02 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: <9BFF070B0E174EBFB06C627B0CD9392F@laptop> Message-ID: <326720.15740.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Now I should also say that it may be "tomorrow night" for those of you who live ahead of Universal Time, in the Eastern Hemisphere... As I write this the date and time is 00:20 UT on August 12th, though the local time here in Tucson is 17:20 MST on August 11th, , so the "standard peak" is still 18 hours away, during the daytime "tomorrow"... Yes it can be confusing, which is why astronomers use UT (Universal Time) so we don't miss events because we live our daily lives on "local" time... -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Jan Bartels wrote: > From: Jan Bartels > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > To: "Richard Kowalski" , Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 5:16 PM > .......that's it !!.....I'm lost. > I'm goin' to bed. > The heck with those Perseids !! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Kowalski" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:10 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > > > No it is tonight. > > See the Sky & Telescope page: > > http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/home/52204947.html > > We should pass though the 1610 stream around 9UT, but there > may be another, > smaller peak around 5UT and the "standard peak" should be > around 18UT. > > All of them tonight. > > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Matthias B?rmann > wrote: > > > From: Matthias B?rmann > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, > bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 4:47 PM > > Jan, Bernd & other Perseids > > aficionados , - > > > > as far as I'm informed the climax this year is > expected for > > the night > > wednesday/thursday = next night. > > > > My best, > > > > Matthias > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:25 AM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight > > > > > > > Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one > hour." > > > > > > So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here > so > > far :-( > > > It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds > and was > > able to > > > see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the > Big > > Dipper, > > > and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no > > Perseids :-( > > > > > >> Guess it's not too much firework so far > > > > > > A possible surge in activity is expected for > 08-09 hrs > > UT, which > > > translates > > > into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / > tmorrow > > morning for us here > > > in Europe. > > > > > > > > > Best from cloudy > > > Southern Germany, > > > > > > Bernd > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release > Date: 08/11/09 > 06:10:00 > > From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com Tue Aug 11 20:30:21 2009 From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 1:30:21 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090812013021.1E8EW.144650.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> Hi Bernd/All, Had a spell out observing just before midight and also only saw two Persieds...clouding up now ready for the rain forecast for tomorrow...so not worth staying up for here in the UK methinks. Cheers Graham Ensor ---- bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote: > Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." > > So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so far :-( > It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was able to > see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big Dipper, > and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no Perseids :-( > > > Guess it's not too much firework so far > > A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs UT, which translates > into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow morning for us here > in Europe. > > > Best from cloudy > Southern Germany, > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From anitawestlake at att.net Tue Aug 11 20:25:10 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Symposium near Atlanta In-Reply-To: <4A7EF08D.1090006@meteorite.com> References: <4A7EF08D.1090006@meteorite.com> Message-ID: <893529.94205.qm@web83812.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hey Ya'll: ?? I just wanted to give a shout out to those anywhere near Atlanta, GA this weekend. The Tellus Northwest Georgia Science Museum is sponsoring a meteorite symposium this Saturday at 10am in Cartersville, GA. Robert Ward will be one of the speakers, along with Scott Harris, crater expert and Dave Gheesling, curator of the Falling Rocks meteorite collection and all-around good guy. ? This symposium is also sponsored by the SE Chapter of the Friends of Mineralogy, and the Meteorite Association of Georgia. ? There will also be a Marty Zinn gem and mineral show around the corner at the Holiday Inn all weekend. It would be cool if I could meet some of you there! ? Please email me if you need more info. Anita From daistiho at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 20:35:14 2009 From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:35:14 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: <9BFF070B0E174EBFB06C627B0CD9392F@laptop> References: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9BFF070B0E174EBFB06C627B0CD9392F@laptop> Message-ID: We are under the remnants of Hurricane Felicia. Not a chance of seeing any Perseids tonight, unless a larger-thatn-usual remnant makes it through the cloud cover! Best~ Tracy Latimer _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From fujmon at mac.com Tue Aug 11 20:43:48 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:43:48 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: References: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9BFF070B0E174EBFB06C627B0CD9392F@laptop> Message-ID: Hey Tracy, where are you in Hawaii? Felicia is pretty much dissipated into a tropical depression, and it was sunny and clear in Hilo earlier. Another challenge besides looking for sucker holes in the clouds is the glare of a waning gibbous moon that'll rise after midnight ... just as things should start perking up for the Perseids. gary On Aug 11, 2009, at 2:35 PM, tracy latimer wrote: > > We are under the remnants of Hurricane Felicia. Not a chance of > seeing any Perseids tonight, unless a larger-thatn-usual remnant > makes it through the cloud cover! > > Best~ > Tracy Latimer > _________________________________________________________________ > Get free photo software from Windows Live > http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 20:39:10 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <559230.28691.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Is someone else off their meds again or does someone dislike folks from the southern hemisphere in general?? I don't think you have a leg to stand on, Howard, regarding lecturing others about list ethics... but Bob's dealings with The Chicago person or vice versa are known to many and I think Bob phrased it politely given the circumstance. Elton --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Howard Steffic wrote: > From: Howard Steffic > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 5:27 PM > > Was it necessary for you to post the comment about Steve > Arnold?? YOU should be thrown off the list Michael for > forwarding such crap to this list.? It is bad enough > that everyone jumps down Steve's throat themselves without > you forwarding for someone who for some reason can not post > to the list. > > Thanks for the spam. > > > Howard Steffic From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 20:39:46 2009 From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Silicated Campo question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <335203.52854.qm@web43409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Carl and all, The Woodbine IL meteorite looks a lot like the silicated Campos. It is still considered an iron and not a pallasite or mesosiderite, there are many others also. Take a look, they are near the bottom of the page: http://illinoismeteorites.com/About%20IL%20Meteorites.htm Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner ----- Original Message ---- From: Carl 's To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:48:33 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Silicated Campo question Hi All, What are those silicated Campos? Are they irons that have not yet completed it's differentiation, similar to pallasites? Or are they more like mesosiderites with the silicated material from an asteroid that have impacted another asteroid to the iron core? Or are they something else? Are the two materials unrelated to each other as in mesosiderites? Doesn't matter at this point whether or not they are Campos (I remember reading somewhere they were found several hundred miles away), it's just a name anyway, but to my untrained eye they look more like mesos. Also, is the Toluca (b)(?) formed the same way? Thanks in advance. Carl _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From fujmon at mac.com Tue Aug 11 20:16:34 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:16:34 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight In-Reply-To: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <768902.5039.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3072572F-6E90-4BE9-B33D-F8D703850373@mac.com> Thank you Richard for the information about peak ZHR for the various streams. The challenge this year is that the peak will take place in the glare of a waning gibbous moon. gary On Aug 11, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: > No it is tonight. > > See the Sky & Telescope page: > > http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/home/52204947.html > > We should pass though the 1610 stream around 9UT, but there may be > another, smaller peak around 5UT and the "standard peak" should be > around 18UT. > > All of them tonight. > > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Matthias B?rmann wrote: > >> From: Matthias B?rmann >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight >> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de >> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 4:47 PM >> Jan, Bernd & other Perseids >> aficionados , - >> >> as far as I'm informed the climax this year is expected for >> the night >> wednesday/thursday = next night. >> >> My best, >> >> Matthias >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:25 AM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight >> >> >>> Jan writes: "So far only saw 2 Perseids in one hour." >>> >>> So you are among the lucky ones! No Perseids here so >> far :-( >>> It is cloudy but I caught a hole in the clouds and was >> able to >>> see the Summer Triangle, Hercules (Keystone), the Big >> Dipper, >>> and, of course the last quarter Moon, ... but no >> Perseids :-( >>> >>>> Guess it's not too much firework so far >>> >>> A possible surge in activity is expected for 08-09 hrs >> UT, which >>> translates >>> into 10-11 hrs MESZ, so, no big deal tonight / tmorrow >> morning for us here >>> in Europe. >>> >>> >>> Best from cloudy >>> Southern Germany, >>> >>> Bernd >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 21:37:26 2009 From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? Message-ID: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello listees, I was taking pictures trying to capture a meteor on camera, I have taken a couple thousand pictures in all and have not been lucky enough to catch one yet. I did catch this the other day, I am 100% sure it is not a plane, jet or anything like that. It looks like a meteor, but the path boggles my mind. It take a path that is not 100% straight, could it still be a meteor? The beginning and the end both fade and you can see the center of the beginning is white and the possible meteor is yellow. I was out with my daught watching the sky and taking photos that night, for this particular photo I was not looking, we were talking, I did not see it until the picture was already taken. Is it possible the shape or an explosion could have changed the trajectory or could it be an illusion from the camera? http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1249955690 Any comments are welcomed and appreciated. Either here or on the forum. Best Wishhes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com From cynapse at charter.net Tue Aug 11 23:26:45 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:26:45 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? In-Reply-To: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:37:26 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > Any comments are welcomed and appreciated. Either here or on the forum. That is a dragon. Run for your life. Or, I'm guessing-- lightning bug. From mlblood at cox.net Tue Aug 11 22:22:23 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:22:23 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Howard and all, In case you don't know (and apparently you don't), Bob Walker has done a great deal for the meteorite community And for the Australian Meteorite community as well. He has conducted much research and part of that research Has included accounting for the location of this that and the other Meteoritic material. He wrote Steve several times politely asking him where he got Material he was advertizing to the list (I don't believe he thought it Was real, but he gave Steve the benefit of the doubt and was polite In his multiple requests). He got not response, whatever as a reasult. I then emailed Steve, Bob considering the possibility that his Email wasn't getting through and I politely foreworded Bob's questions And asked that Steve let me know as well, just in case HIS emails Were getting lost getting to Australia. Again, no response. I suppose that might be why he mentioned Steve's rudeness or However he put it (which was, by the way, very MILDLY STATED). I can only assume you have very limited experiences dealing with Chicago Steve. Gee, Howard, did you ever wonder why it is SO many People "dump" on Steve? Did the thought ever even cross your mind? It doesn't sound like it - instead, it sounds like you thought I should be "thrown off the list" for forewording something with so mild A comment...... Strange. Strange, indeed. Now, fact is, I personally like Steve. I take him as he is. However I am not blind to his behavior - either in relationship to me or to others. Best wishes, Michael On 8/11/09 2:27 PM, "Howard Steffic" wrote: > > Was it necessary for you to post the comment about Steve Arnold? YOU should > be thrown off the list Michael for forwarding such crap to this list. It is > bad enough that everyone jumps down Steve's throat themselves without you > forwarding for someone who for some reason can not post to the list. > > Thanks for the spam. > > > Howard Steffic > > >> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:42:41 -0700 >> From: mlblood at cox.net >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker >> >> Can u post to the list for me >> >> I've updated the news on qmig.org to give an idea where I'm heading for the >> next week or so - I have some lovely pix of the Miles and Arrabury main >> masses >> to upload - also some of the lab data from Miles - maybe even some ancient >> newspaper articles on the Rockhampton meteorite >> >> Once I get that out of the way I can back to my plan of some serious >> horsetrading with museums and then the QMIG collection will be getting >> something very very special as well as more main mass pix to upload and >> methinx a lot more articles >> >> Still a lot of projects in motion, on the backburner or on autopilot but >> everything plods away in its own time >> >> Tell the list that Steve ARNOLD (Chicago) is unhelpful if not uncivil just >> in >> case they don't already know >> >> Must be time for him to put his foot in his mouth again and be thrown off >> the >> list again... >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync > :082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Tue Aug 11 22:18:02 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:18:02 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December Message-ID: This is the first trip taken to Canada after the fall. Once there, we only had 2.25 days to hunt before shutdown snowfall occurred. It was -25 Celcius and the airline lost my luggage, so I'm wearing socks over my hands in some photos. I think I had thin gloves under the socks. At some point, I couldn't photo anymore as the batteries died of cold and our fingers hurt from exposure. Give me desert any day of the week. Most of the photos are in situ. No action, car chases, or things blowing up. Sorry. http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionDecember2008?feat=directlink I recommend you use the slideshow option and the full screen. I think we found 6 kg in two days. They stuck out nice in the white thin snow. Then we gave 1/2 to the landowner, and we sold off our half. I kept 100g of small stones for my own collection, awaiting export permit. I'll upload my Spring trip photos soon. I have many kilos coming to me when the permits clear, also. -mt www.outofabluesky.com From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 22:29:13 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:29:13 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? In-Reply-To: References: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >> ..."lightning bug." I think we have a winner! ---------------------------------------- > From: cynapse at charter.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:26:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? > > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:37:26 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >> >> Any comments are welcomed and appreciated. Either here or on the forum. > > That is a dragon. Run for your life. > > Or, I'm guessing-- lightning bug. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Stay on top of things, check email from other accounts! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671355 From bencubbin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 11 22:51:21 2009 From: bencubbin at hotmail.com (Howard Steffic) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:51:21 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alright then, maybe I do not know the history between Bob and Steve. I really do not care about this private matter and maybe many other list members do not car either. Do me a favor, Michael. Please review the list policies especially rule number 9. http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list.html Kind of hard to justify your forwarding email practices now, would you not agree? Howard Steffic ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:22:23 -0700 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker > From: mlblood at cox.net > To: bencubbin at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Hi Howard and all, > In case you don't know (and apparently you don't), > Bob Walker has done a great deal for the meteorite community > And for the Australian Meteorite community as well. > He has conducted much research and part of that research > Has included accounting for the location of this that and the other > Meteoritic material. > He wrote Steve several times politely asking him where he got > Material he was advertizing to the list (I don't believe he thought it > Was real, but he gave Steve the benefit of the doubt and was polite > In his multiple requests). He got not response, whatever as a reasult. > I then emailed Steve, Bob considering the possibility that his > Email wasn't getting through and I politely foreworded Bob's questions > And asked that Steve let me know as well, just in case HIS emails > Were getting lost getting to Australia. > Again, no response. > I suppose that might be why he mentioned Steve's rudeness or > However he put it (which was, by the way, very MILDLY STATED). > I can only assume you have very limited experiences dealing with > Chicago Steve. Gee, Howard, did you ever wonder why it is SO many > People "dump" on Steve? Did the thought ever even cross your mind? > It doesn't sound like it - instead, it sounds like you thought I > should be "thrown off the list" for forewording something with so mild > A comment...... Strange. Strange, indeed. > Now, fact is, I personally like Steve. I take him as he is. However > I am not blind to his behavior - either in relationship to me or to > others. > Best wishes, Michael > > > > > On 8/11/09 2:27 PM, "Howard Steffic" wrote: > >> >> Was it necessary for you to post the comment about Steve Arnold? YOU should >> be thrown off the list Michael for forwarding such crap to this list. It is >> bad enough that everyone jumps down Steve's throat themselves without you >> forwarding for someone who for some reason can not post to the list. >> >> Thanks for the spam. >> >> >> Howard Steffic >> >> >>> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:42:41 -0700 >>> From: mlblood at cox.net >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker >>> >>> Can u post to the list for me >>> >>> I've updated the news on qmig.org to give an idea where I'm heading for the >>> next week or so - I have some lovely pix of the Miles and Arrabury main >>> masses >>> to upload - also some of the lab data from Miles - maybe even some ancient >>> newspaper articles on the Rockhampton meteorite >>> >>> Once I get that out of the way I can back to my plan of some serious >>> horsetrading with museums and then the QMIG collection will be getting >>> something very very special as well as more main mass pix to upload and >>> methinx a lot more articles >>> >>> Still a lot of projects in motion, on the backburner or on autopilot but >>> everything plods away in its own time >>> >>> Tell the list that Steve ARNOLD (Chicago) is unhelpful if not uncivil just >>> in >>> case they don't already know >>> >>> Must be time for him to put his foot in his mouth again and be thrown off >>> the >>> list again... >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. >> http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync >> :082009 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM From jkg2 at cox.net Tue Aug 11 23:13:27 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:13:27 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090812031345.RULJ26684.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Sorry to jump in here but someone needs to tell Howard that his last two posts to the List ( as is this one) are in violation of List policies. Please review them yourself and quit being the List mother. John Gwilliam At 07:51 PM 8/11/2009, Howard Steffic wrote: >Alright then, maybe I do not know the history >between Bob and Steve. I really do not care >about this private matter and maybe many other list members do not car either. > >Do me a favor, Michael. Please review the list >policies especially rule number 9. > >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list.html > >Kind of hard to justify your forwarding email >practices now, would you not agree? > > >Howard Steffic > > > > > >---------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:22:23 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker > > From: mlblood at cox.net > > To: bencubbin at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > > Hi Howard and all, > > In case you don't know (and apparently you don't), > > Bob Walker has done a great deal for the meteorite community > > And for the Australian Meteorite community as well. > > He has conducted much research and part of that research > > Has included accounting for the location of this that and the other > > Meteoritic material. > > He wrote Steve several times politely asking him where he got > > Material he was advertizing to the list (I don't believe he thought it > > Was real, but he gave Steve the benefit of the doubt and was polite > > In his multiple requests). He got not response, whatever as a reasult. > > I then emailed Steve, Bob considering the possibility that his > > Email wasn't getting through and I politely foreworded Bob's questions > > And asked that Steve let me know as well, just in case HIS emails > > Were getting lost getting to Australia. > > Again, no response. > > I suppose that might be why he mentioned Steve's rudeness or > > However he put it (which was, by the way, very MILDLY STATED). > > I can only assume you have very limited experiences dealing with > > Chicago Steve. Gee, Howard, did you ever wonder why it is SO many > > People "dump" on Steve? Did the thought ever even cross your mind? > > It doesn't sound like it - instead, it sounds like you thought I > > should be "thrown off the list" for forewording something with so mild > > A comment...... Strange. Strange, indeed. > > Now, fact is, I personally like Steve. I take him as he is. However > > I am not blind to his behavior - either in relationship to me or to > > others. > > Best wishes, Michael > > > > > > > > > > On 8/11/09 2:27 PM, "Howard Steffic" wrote: > > > >> > >> Was it necessary for you to post the comment > about Steve Arnold? YOU should > >> be thrown off the list Michael for > forwarding such crap to this list. It is > >> bad enough that everyone jumps down Steve's throat themselves without you > >> forwarding for someone who for some reason can not post to the list. > >> > >> Thanks for the spam. > >> > >> > >> Howard Steffic > >> > >> > >>> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:42:41 -0700 > >>> From: mlblood at cox.net > >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Post from Bob Walker > >>> > >>> Can u post to the list for me > >>> > >>> I've updated the news on qmig.org to give > an idea where I'm heading for the > >>> next week or so - I have some lovely pix of the Miles and Arrabury main > >>> masses > >>> to upload - also some of the lab data from > Miles - maybe even some ancient > >>> newspaper articles on the Rockhampton meteorite > >>> > >>> Once I get that out of the way I can back to my plan of some serious > >>> horsetrading with museums and then the QMIG collection will be getting > >>> something very very special as well as more main mass pix to upload and > >>> methinx a lot more articles > >>> > >>> Still a lot of projects in motion, on the backburner or on autopilot but > >>> everything plods away in its own time > >>> > >>> Tell the list that Steve ARNOLD (Chicago) > is unhelpful if not uncivil just > >>> in > >>> case they don't already know > >>> > >>> Must be time for him to put his foot in his mouth again and be thrown off > >>> the > >>> list again... > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________ > >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > >> > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync > >> :082009 > >> ______________________________________________ > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your vacation photos on your phone! >http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From mike at meteoriteguy.com Tue Aug 11 23:15:10 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <313094.76104.qm@web1105.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Great photos I wish I could have been there, but I was in the Middle East with my wife and could not make it to Canada before the now fell. Hated to miss out on that massive fall, but other things took priority that time. Michael Farmer --- On Tue, 8/11/09, McCartney Taylor wrote: > From: McCartney Taylor > Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:18 PM > This is the first trip taken to > Canada after the fall. Once there, we only had 2.25 days to > hunt before shutdown snowfall occurred. It was -25 Celcius > and the airline lost my luggage, so I'm wearing socks over > my hands in some photos. I think I had thin gloves under the > socks. At some point, I couldn't photo anymore as the > batteries died of cold and our fingers hurt from exposure. > Give me desert any day of the week.? Most of the photos > are in situ. No action, car chases, or things blowing up. > Sorry. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionDecember2008?feat=directlink > > I recommend you use the slideshow option and the full > screen. > > I think we found 6 kg in two days. They stuck out nice in > the white thin snow. Then we gave 1/2 to the landowner, and > we sold off our half.? I kept 100g of small stones for > my own collection, awaiting export permit. > > I'll upload my Spring trip photos soon. I have many kilos > coming to me when the permits clear, also. > > > -mt > www.outofabluesky.com > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From nightsky55 at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 23:35:39 2009 From: nightsky55 at gmail.com (Bob King) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:35:39 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? In-Reply-To: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99c1e91a0908112035j4a66bbe7u5565f0d2c9da4cbf@mail.gmail.com> Hi Joe, I've seen these many times -- you captured a firefly in your photo! Bob On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Joe Kerchner wrote: > > Hello listees, > ? I was taking pictures trying to capture a meteor on camera, I have taken a couple thousand pictures in all and have not been lucky enough to catch one yet. I did catch this the other day, I am 100% sure it is not a plane, jet or anything like that. It looks like a meteor, but the path boggles my mind. It take a path that is not 100% straight, could it still be a meteor? The beginning and the end both fade and you can see the center of the beginning is white and the possible meteor is yellow. > ? I was out with my daught watching the sky and taking photos that night, for this particular photo I was not looking, we were talking, I did not see it until the picture was already taken. Is it possible the shape or an explosion could have changed the trajectory or could it be an illusion from the camera? > > http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1249955690 > > ? Any comments are welcomed and appreciated. Either here or on the forum. > > Best Wishhes, > Joe Kerchner > http://illinoismeteorites.com > http://skyrockcafe.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mike.hankey at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 00:33:24 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:33:24 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alternate Impact Point Resurfaces Message-ID: I had a skype conversation with Dirk Ross tonight that resulted in him sending me his google earth file for the mason dixon meteor. (don't worry dirk the other top secret stuff you were working on did not come in with the file you sent me). I have published Dirk's map in comparison to Rob Matson's & Marc Fries maps along with the back-story on my blog. http://www.mikesastrophotos.com http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/alternate-impact-point-re-surfaces/ It is scary how close dirk's impact point is to Rob & Marc's especially considering Dirk only used the York Water video and eye witness reports when he initially did his work a month ago. Dirk told me he didn't use my picture in his initial trajectory projections because of the controversy regarding its authenticity. I'm glad Rob and Marc used my picture in their projections. Nice work Dirk! These two points are crazy close. The force is strong with you. From lintonius at earthlink.net Wed Aug 12 01:43:12 2009 From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:43:12 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] - Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites Message-ID: <06985157A2D949F5BD3D6C6925E19CC1@D190TH71> Thanks Geoff! That's as much of the show as I've been able to watch so far, other than the trailer. I've got to get cable and/or the Science Channel and/or friends who have it. ;^) Thoroughly enjoyable. I felt like I was there. And now, to the Perseids... Linton ___________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:10:58 -0700 From: Notkin Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites To: Meteorite List Message-ID: <753D6533-8A74-46F7-9C85-792BACFCE991 at notkin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Dear Listees: A friendly reminder that the Perseids are expected to peak tonight/ tomorrow morning for those of you who are enjoying clear skies. It is unusually cloudy in Tucson at the moment. Overseas members and those who don't get Science Channel, may enjoy watching a series of video excerpts from "Meteorite Men," currently featured as "Top Video" on the front page of the Science Channel website: http://science.discovery.com You can also find viewing tips for the Perseids, a meteor/meteorite quiz, and a rather well done "Top 10 Meteorites" section on the Science site. They have been busy! http://science.discovery.com/space/meteors/meteors.html?campaign=sci-int-hp-dl2-meteor87 Regards, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org www.tucsoncitizen.com/lizard From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Wed Aug 12 09:39:25 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:39:25 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 12, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_12_2009.html __________________________ From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Wed Aug 12 11:22:59 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:22:59 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: McCartney: Very nice set of pics and congratulations on all your finds. I have been in that region of Canada in the middle of winter (~40 C)... brrrr. It is a very harsh environment. I would take the desert any day too. Thanks for sharing. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:18:02 -0500 > From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > CC: > Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December > > This is the first trip taken to Canada after the fall. Once there, we only had 2.25 days to hunt before shutdown snowfall occurred. It was -25 Celcius and the airline lost my luggage, so I'm wearing socks over my hands in some photos. I think I had thin gloves under the socks. At some point, I couldn't photo anymore as the batteries died of cold and our fingers hurt from exposure. Give me desert any day of the week. Most of the photos are in situ. No action, car chases, or things blowing up. Sorry. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionDecember2008?feat=directlink > > I recommend you use the slideshow option and the full screen. > > I think we found 6 kg in two days. They stuck out nice in the white thin snow. Then we gave 1/2 to the landowner, and we sold off our half. I kept 100g of small stones for my own collection, awaiting export permit. > > I'll upload my Spring trip photos soon. I have many kilos coming to me when the permits clear, also. > > > -mt > www.outofabluesky.com > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Wed Aug 12 11:27:35 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:27:35 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It was -40 C when I was in Canada. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com > To: mccartney at blackbearddata.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:22:59 -0700 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December > > > > > > > > > > McCartney: > > Very nice set of pics and congratulations on all your finds. > I have been in that region of Canada in the middle of winter (~40 C)... brrrr. It is a very harsh environment. I would take the desert any day too. > > Thanks for sharing. > > Greg S. > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:18:02 -0500 >> From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> CC: >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Expedition Photos from December >> >> This is the first trip taken to Canada after the fall. Once there, we only had 2.25 days to hunt before shutdown snowfall occurred. It was -25 Celcius and the airline lost my luggage, so I'm wearing socks over my hands in some photos. I think I had thin gloves under the socks. At some point, I couldn't photo anymore as the batteries died of cold and our fingers hurt from exposure. Give me desert any day of the week. Most of the photos are in situ. No action, car chases, or things blowing up. Sorry. >> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionDecember2008?feat=directlink >> >> I recommend you use the slideshow option and the full screen. >> >> I think we found 6 kg in two days. They stuck out nice in the white thin snow. Then we gave 1/2 to the landowner, and we sold off our half. I kept 100g of small stones for my own collection, awaiting export permit. >> >> I'll upload my Spring trip photos soon. I have many kilos coming to me when the permits clear, also. >> >> >> -mt >> www.outofabluesky.com >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From cynapse at charter.net Wed Aug 12 13:01:14 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:01:14 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Some nice crater images In-Reply-To: <492923.30944.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <492923.30944.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/08/impactcraters/ From damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 12:09:20 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Some nice crater images In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <908307.39156.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very cool. For those with Google Earth installed on your computers, you can explore these and more impact structures. Go to the MPML file section: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mpml/files/ and scroll down to the Craters___Impact_Sites.kmz link. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Darren Garrison wrote: > From: Darren Garrison > Subject: [meteorite-list] Some nice crater images > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 10:01 AM > http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/08/impactcraters/ > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 12:37:32 2009 From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? In-Reply-To: <99c1e91a0908112035j4a66bbe7u5565f0d2c9da4cbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <939183.79081.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <99c1e91a0908112035j4a66bbe7u5565f0d2c9da4cbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <640992.91995.qm@web43403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks, I never thought of that. I'm sure you guys are correct, Thanks. Best, Joe K ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob King To: Joe Kerchner ; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:35:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this an unusual meteor photo? Hi Joe, I've seen these many times -- you captured a firefly in your photo! Bob On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Joe Kerchner wrote: > > Hello listees, > I was taking pictures trying to capture a meteor on camera, I have taken a couple thousand pictures in all and have not been lucky enough to catch one yet. I did catch this the other day, I am 100% sure it is not a plane, jet or anything like that. It looks like a meteor, but the path boggles my mind. It take a path that is not 100% straight, could it still be a meteor? The beginning and the end both fade and you can see the center of the beginning is white and the possible meteor is yellow. > I was out with my daught watching the sky and taking photos that night, for this particular photo I was not looking, we were talking, I did not see it until the picture was already taken. Is it possible the shape or an explosion could have changed the trajectory or could it be an illusion from the camera? > > http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1249955690 > > Any comments are welcomed and appreciated. Either here or on the forum. > > Best Wishhes, > Joe Kerchner > http://illinoismeteorites.com > http://skyrockcafe.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 13:04:57 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] oriented gao Message-ID: <504381.28252.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list.I am looking for some oriented gao. I?have $500 to spend.Off list please. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Wed Aug 12 14:16:05 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:16:05 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Batch - Expedition photos Buzzard Coulee Spring Trip Message-ID: <4da4dae7013f4e16a808efefc1e4d9a1@ucv1.vhostdns.com> After I received word that the snow was melting I immediately flew up to Canada to continue the recovery effort. I pushed hard each day to get the most out of each day. I averaged 25-30 finds per day. However, I pushed myself too hard and within 4 days I developed a cough and fever. I laid low for a few days and my fever rose and eventually I had to go to the hospital for help. After some antibiotics to fight some kind of strep, 3 days later I was drugged enough to continue my efforts after losing a week. Still had the cough, though. http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionApril2009?feat=directlink At some point during the trip, I realized that the time I took to take a photo added up and it would cost me one stone by the end of each day. So I stopped taking photos of in situ finds. By the end of the trip, I'd found over 200 stones with the smallest being 3g and the largest about 187. I broke the 4 kg mark, and walked away with 2 kg after paying the landowner his half. These will be for sale in a few months once the export permit comes. Several are oriented. Contact me. After my return, my cough got worse and I have been treated for it for 4 months. Some expeditions have a higher price to pay than others. -mt From damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 14:49:37 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Batch - Expedition photos Buzzard Coulee Spring Trip In-Reply-To: <4da4dae7013f4e16a808efefc1e4d9a1@ucv1.vhostdns.com> Message-ID: <257989.2007.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Image #51 sure is a strange looking speciman! -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 8/12/09, McCartney Taylor wrote: > From: McCartney Taylor > Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Batch - Expedition photos Buzzard Coulee Spring Trip > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 11:16 AM > After I received word that the snow > was melting I immediately flew up to Canada to continue the > recovery effort. I pushed hard each day to get the most out > of each day. I averaged 25-30 finds per day. However, I > pushed myself too hard and within 4 days I developed a cough > and fever. I laid low for a few days and my fever rose and > eventually I had to go to the hospital for help. After some > antibiotics to fight some kind of strep, 3 days later I was > drugged enough to continue my efforts after losing a week. > Still had the cough, though. > > http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionApril2009?feat=directlink > > At some point during the trip, I realized that the time I > took to take a photo added up and it would cost me one stone > by the end of each day. So I stopped taking photos of in > situ finds. > > By the end of the trip, I'd found over 200 stones with the > smallest being 3g and the largest about 187. I broke the 4 > kg mark, and walked away with 2 kg after paying the > landowner his half. These will be for sale in a few months > once the export permit comes. Several are oriented. Contact > me. > > After my return, my cough got worse and I have been treated > for it for 4 months. Some expeditions have a higher price to > pay than others. > > -mt > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Wed Aug 12 15:06:21 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:06:21 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Who's seen Stovepiping on oriented stones? Message-ID: <2247d989a40f4927b2d40ddb409d54b9@ucv1.vhostdns.com> This is a heat shield on the bottom, and this stovepipe occurred on the back. My question is this just a odd rock feature or is the stovepiping caused by orientation? http://picasaweb.google.com/mccartneytaylor/BuzzardCouleeMeteoriteExpeditionApril2009#5368898892667906386 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 12 15:19:17 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Orbiter Shows Angled View of Martian Crater (MRO) Message-ID: <200908121919.n7CJJHuE013674@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-122 Mars Orbiter Shows Angled View of Martian Crater Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 12, 2009 [Image] image of Victoria Crater in the Meridiani Planum region of Mars was taken by the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter This image of Victoria Crater in the Meridiani Planum region of Mars was taken by the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter at more of a sideways angle than earlier orbital images of this crater. Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona Full image and caption TUCSON, Ariz. -- The high-resolution camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has returned a dramatic oblique view of the Martian crater that a rover explored for two years. The new view of Victoria Crater shows layers on steep crater walls, difficult to see from straight overhead, plus wheel tracks left by NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity between September 2006 and August 2008. The orbiter's High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment camera shot it at an angle comparable to looking at landscape from an airplane window. Some of the camera's earlier, less angled images of Victoria Crater aided the rover team in choosing safe routes for Opportunity and contributed to joint scientific studies. The new Victoria Crater image is available online at: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/multimedia/mro20091012a.html and as a sub-image of the full-frame image at: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_013954_1780 . Another new image from the same camera catches an active dust devil leaving a trail and casting a shadow. These whirlwinds have been a subject of investigation by Opportunity's twin rover, Spirit. The new dust devil image is available online at: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/multimedia/mro20091012b.html and as a sub-image of the full-frame image at: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_013545_1110 . The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has been studying Mars with an advanced set of instruments since 2006. It has returned more data about the planet than all other past and current missions to Mars combined. For more information about the mission, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/mro . The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is managed by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. JPL is a division of the California Institute of Technology, also in Pasadena. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. The High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment is operated by the University of Arizona, Tucson, and the instrument was built by Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., Boulder, Colo. Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov Lori Stiles 520-626-4402 University of Arizona, Tucson lstiles at u.arizona.edu 2009-122 From MeteorHntr at aol.com Wed Aug 12 15:31:43 2009 From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:31:43 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold Message-ID: Hello List, If anyone has been in contact with Mike Farmer in the last couple of months, and he has said ANYTHING negative about me or my meteorite business, please contact me directly off list. I would like to have the opportunity to share with you my side of the story. I think that is only fair. Thank you very much. Steve Arnold of "Meteorite Men" From Kevin.Howell at us.penguingroup.com Wed Aug 12 15:14:20 2009 From: Kevin.Howell at us.penguingroup.com (Howell, Kevin) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:14:20 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Christopher Cokinos New York Times piece on Perseid meteor shower In-Reply-To: <201CCF880B8AE7498CF97ECCF91C856B016C0317@USOLDTMS018.PGROOT.COM> References: <201CCF880B8AE7498CF97ECCF91C856B016C0317@USOLDTMS018.PGROOT.COM> Message-ID: <201CCF880B8AE7498CF97ECCF91C856B016C0394@USOLDTMS018.PGROOT.COM> In case you didn't see Christopher Cokinos's beautifully written Op Ed piece in yesterday's NEW YORK TIMES on the Perseid meteor shower.... it's pasted below. Dust in the (Cosmic) Wind By CHRISTOPHER COKINOS Published: August 11, 2009 Logan, Utah THE Perseid meteor shower is summer's closing act, arriving in mid-August like clockwork. For centuries, many Christians associated it with the martyred St. Lawrence, whose feast day falls on Aug. 10, so they called the display "the tears of St. Lawrence." By the mid-1800s, the Italian astronomer Giovanni Schiaparelli came to understand that meteor showers are really comet dust - the "very minute particles that they have abandoned along their orbit." Meteor showers occur when Earth intersects with these so-called debris trains at particular times of the year. In the case of the Perseids, the meteor shower that peaks Wednesday and continues this week, the dust comes from Comet Swift-Tuttle, whose remains appear to shower down from the constellation Perseus as it moves across the northern sky. Dust may seem less poetic than a saint's tears, but dust has stories to tell. The story of the solar system begins with dust: Stars died. They exploded. Their remains gathered from far distances to start again. Gravity took hold, and eventually dust, gas, ice and rocks congealed into planets and other objects like comets, which sometimes sprinkle Earth with their debris. The dust of the Perseids flares up enough to get our attention each August, because it moves through the atmosphere so quickly. Other cosmic dust takes a more gentle stroll. Because their mass is so little relative to their surface area, the smallest particles can actually find their way down to the ground. As Donald Brownlee, an astronomer at the University of Washington who studies cosmic dust particles, has noted, "If you had lettuce for lunch, you probably ate a few." In fact, as much as 40,000 tons of dust from space reaches the ground every year. Some of it contains material from stars as well as organic matter - carbon, amino acids and other building blocks of life. The Indo-European base for the word "dust" is "dhus-no," which is related to the base for "fury." That seems right. After all, it was a dizzying dust storm some five billion years ago that gave rise to the solar system and, ultimately, to us. Christopher Cokinos, a professor of English at Utah State University, is the author, most recently, of "The Fallen Sky: An Intimate History of Shooting Stars." 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We may monitor email to and from our network. *********************************************************************** From mike at meteoriteguy.com Wed Aug 12 16:26:52 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <246068.10819.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Steve, since you want to make things more public, start by explaining your side of this: Mani vs Arnold Bexar County District Clerk Bexar County Courthouse 100 Dolorosa Street, 1st Floor San Antonio, TX 78205-3002 75 page lawsuit for theft and fraud. I am sure with pending litigation you won't wish to do that though. Why is it that you pound on people with your contracts, such as when you cried about people raiding your Admire strewnfield, yet your contracts are worth less than the paper they are printed on. Tell people why you have paid the landowners nothing in Admire, so you are now kicked off of most of that land and other people have taken over the hunt. Tell people how your 8 in 8 contracts went, 3 years overdue now. Tell people how you have traded off 100 kilo Brenhams for mars rocks and not paid the landowners a penny. I am curious about another thing, in your meteorite men show, which promenantly shows an Admire strewnfild map (very very smart move there) it shows prices of 100 kilo Brenham pallasites as $125,000 value. Yet you publicly on this meteorite list try selling the same meteorites of even higher weights for $10,000, a 92% discount not even taking into. That is what I call a scam. You have spread this massive value to the world on your show, incredible inflated and unrealistic prices. Now all landowners are going to want $125,000 for a 100 kilo meteorite. All collectors are going to have to pay more for new finds since you convinced the public they can all become millionaires. You are destroying this business by ripping off landowners, and inflating prices to the public which are so far from true it isn't even funny anymore. I have spoken to people working in Admire than they inform me that because you you and the bad feelings from the landowners at not being paid in more than two years, hunters are not welcome on many farms there anymore. They think we are all conmen. How much of that ebay Admire money is going to the investors who sunk more than $50,000 into your hunts years ago and have received almost nothing back? If you clear these things up, then there will be nothing to talk about. Michael Farmer --- On Wed, 8/12/09, MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote: > From: MeteorHntr at aol.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 1:31 PM > Hello List, > > If anyone has been in contact? with Mike Farmer in the > last couple of > months, and he has said ANYTHING? negative about me or > my meteorite business, > please contact me directly off? > list.???I would like to have the opportunity > to > share with you my side? of the story.? I think > that is only fair. > > Thank you very? much. > > Steve Arnold > of "Meteorite Men"? > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From drtanuki at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 16:37:55 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] BRENHAM METEORITE LTD ETAL vs STEVEN K ARNOLD Message-ID: <217.37322.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Mike, I think that you got the lawsuit incorrectly titled according to what I just found doing a websearch. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo BRENHAM METEORITE LTD ETAL vs STEVEN K ARNOLD http://www.co.bexar.tx.us/webapps/html/DKLITDSP02.asp?txtLitIsn=0004883523 From bristolia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 16:44:57 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Canadian Impact Crater - Online PDF papers and Theses Message-ID: <193315.22141.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Henrik Westbroek, H., 1997, Seismic interpretation of two possible meteorite impact craters: White Valley, Saskatchewan and Purple Springs, Alberta. Unpublished M.S. Thesis, University of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada. http://dspace.ucalgary.ca/handle/1880/26906 https://dspace.ucalgary.ca/bitstream/1880/26906/1/31378Westbroek.pdf https://dspace.ucalgary.ca/browse-title?top=1880%2F39405 Mazur, M. J., 1999, The seismic characterization of meteorite impact structures. Unpublished M.S. Thesis, University of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada. https://dspace.ucalgary.ca/handle/1880/39754 https://dspace.ucalgary.ca/bitstream/1880/39754/1/49711Mazur.pdf https://dspace.ucalgary.ca/browse-title?top=1880%2F39405 Mazur, Michael J. , Robert R. Stewart, Alan R. Hildebrand, Don C. Lawton, and Hans-Hendrik Westbroek, 2000, Seismic characterization of impact craters. CSEG Recorder. vol. 25, no. 6, pp. 10, 12-16. http://www.cseg.ca/publications/recorder/2000/06jun/jun00-impact-craters.pdf http://www.cseg.ca/publications/recorder/2000/06jun.cfm Mazur, Michael J. , Robert R. Stewart, Alan R. Hildebrand, Don C. Lawton, and Hans-Hendrik Westbroek, 1999, Seismic characterization of impact craters: A summary. CREWES Research Report. vol. 11, Chap 54. (Department of Geoscience, University of Calgary) http://www.crewes.org/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/1999/1999-54.pdf http://www.crewes.org/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/reports.php?year=1999 http://www.crewes.org/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/abstract.php?file=/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/1999/1999-54.pdf Westbroek, Hans-Henrik, and Robert R. Stewart, 1996, The formation, morphology, and economic potential of meteorite impact craters. CREWES Research Report. Chap. 34. (Department of Geoscience, University of Calgary) http://www.crewes.org/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/1996/1996-34.pdf http://www.crewes.org/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/reports.php?year=1996 http://www.crewes.org/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/abstract.php?file=/ForOurSponsors/ResearchReports/1996/1996-34.pdf Yours, Paul H. From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Wed Aug 12 16:55:28 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 12 Aug 2009 20:55:28 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Meteorite Expedition - April 2009 Message-ID: > This piece is oriented. You are looking at a > stovepipe feature on the back side (leeward). What does the front side look like? Bernd From fujmon at mac.com Wed Aug 12 17:10:57 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:10:57 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Meteorite Expedition - April 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My question too. With a backside that looks like that, the front has to be drop dead gorgeous! Sent from Gary's iPhone On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:55 AM, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote: >> This piece is oriented. You are looking at a >> stovepipe feature on the back side (leeward). > > What does the front side look like? > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From bristolia at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 17:11:11 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Velingara circular structure Message-ID: <722621.97577.qm@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wade, S., Barbieri, M., and Lichtenegger, J., 2001, Focus Earth: the Velingara circular structure - a meteorite impact crater? ESA Bulletinm no. 106, pp. 135 ? 139. http://www.esa.int/esapub/bulletin/bullet106/bul106_13.pdf http://www.esa.int/esapub/pi/bulletinPI.htm Yours, Paul From anitawestlake at att.net Wed Aug 12 19:14:27 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: 2nd Batch - Expedition photos Buzzard Coulee Spring Trip In-Reply-To: <257989.2007.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <257989.2007.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <929532.14206.qm@web83804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Yes, it's strange alright, but it does have great flow lines and two black, glassy inclusions. Anita ________________________________ From: Richard Kowalski To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; mccartney at blackbearddata.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:49:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2nd Batch - Expedition photos Buzzard Coulee Spring Trip Image #51 sure is a strange looking speciman! -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From mike at meteoriteguy.com Wed Aug 12 19:22:22 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: ALBIN, Santa Rosa, and NEW Bencubbinite Message-ID: <412706.49815.qm@web1108.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Hello list members. I have done a major list update today, adding three very rare meteorites. I just completed an exchange yesterday with ASU and got a nice amount of Albin Pallasite cut from Nininger's main mass. Incredible piece, all large slices with polished and etched faces, museum quality preparation. Very historic pieces with great provenance. I also loaded some partslices of the Santa Rosa Colombia iron, very rare type and historic meteorite. Last but certainly not lease, I loaded a new Bencubbinite, even possible new type of meteorite as the classification is under intense debate among the scientists studying it. I can not wait any longer to start selling though, as I invested a serious amount of money in that meteorite. See all of the pages below. I have other pieces of the CB as well as what is listed, so do not hesitate to ask for a size not listed. http://meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa5492.htm http://meteoriteguy.com/catalog/albin.htm http://meteoriteguy.com/catalog/santarosa.htm Michael Farmer From mike at meteoriteguy.com Wed Aug 12 19:55:04 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 5492 Message-ID: <324700.87793.qm@web1105.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I have got some questions about the photos. All pieces were wire-saw cut in Germany by Achim Karl. All pieces still have saw marks, they are not polished. I did polish a piece and it does not look as nice, as it seems to blur the contrast between metal and chondrules. I leave it to the buyer, but at 1mm thick, polishing is difficult and risky. Michael Farmer From mike at meteoriteguy.com Wed Aug 12 20:21:11 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Oh my, just got this photo emailed to me Message-ID: <250919.66504.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/arnold.jpg The future of Meteorite-Men? From damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 20:30:20 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? Message-ID: <324064.52060.qm@web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll be buying a trim saw in the near future. I don't have a need for a heavy duty unit or one that can cut large stones, so I'm looking at the Inland swaptop 6.5 inch saw (#10670) (A 4 inch is too small) . It seems to be enough saw for my needs at a price point that works for my budget. Googling "trim saw", it appears to be one of the most common ones available. I'd be interested in comments about this saw, or suggestions for other ones around the same price. Off list of course. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski IMCA #1081 From geoking at notkin.net Wed Aug 12 21:53:18 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:53:18 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites In-Reply-To: <20090811194004.08IJY.23762.imail@fed1rmwml28> References: <20090811194004.08IJY.23762.imail@fed1rmwml28> Message-ID: <28A88A88-B291-427C-B68A-B70EAF2BE014@notkin.net> Carl posted: > Those short videos are Awsome. I actually have the Meteorite Men on > my DVR and have watched it several times . . . . Is there a > reason you are not selling it on video yet? Dear Carl: Thank you for those very kind comments. Sorry I was slow in writing back. I was too busy laughing at Mike Farmer's post claiming that somebody other than him was making the meteorite world look bad. That's a bit like Stalin complaining that there's too much violence. Anyway, regarding your question. Since our show is still being aired on a regular basis, there are no immediate plans to release it on DVD, but it is something we hope and expect in the future. And I'm pleased to report that there are many other exciting plans for the future of the show which will be announced in due course. Hopefully those who enjoy learning, meteorite science, and adventure television shows will continue to watch and enjoy it. Those who prefer to sit on their extremely large backsides and libel their betters will, doubtless, find some small pleasure in that too. Cheers and all the best, Geoff N. From MeteorHntr at aol.com Wed Aug 12 22:03:12 2009 From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:03:12 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold Message-ID: Hello List and Mike, I would like to thank those of you that responded off list to me about the other post I made earlier today about Mike Farmer. As those of you know that did contact me, I wasn't specifically interested in asking about what Mike just shared with all of us here on the list, but now that it is brought up: if Mike has shared with any of the rest of you any of the same things in private that he just posted to the group, please contact me off list so we can discuss them. Obviously Mike doesn't care if we talk about these issues, as it seems he is eager for all of this to come out into the open. So if he asked anyone to keep these kind of things "confidential" when he discussed them with you before, you can feel free to share all those details with me now. Thanks. I did not choose to make things more public as falsely stated, but it seems like Mike just did. Of course any lawsuit is in the public domain, so everyone that feels so compelled should write the court and get a copy of the Petition that was filed for themselves. Then after reading the petition, if anyone has any questions about the allegations made in it, they should ask the plaintiff(s) directly as it is the plaintiff(s) that are the ones making them, not me. Getting the Petition will prove to be a very entertaining read, I promise. But Mike, you bring up some interesting accusations yourself in your public post. Either you are repeating hearsay and gossip, or you have actual first hand knowledge and or proof of everything you are accusing me of here, right? I would say it is YOU Mike Farmer, that now has the burden of proof that all these public claims are in fact factual. So, it is probably your responsibility for you to offer your sources for this (mis)information, on the following statements you have made: 1. That I have not paid the people at Admire anything. Can you prove that? 2. That I have been "kicked off most of the land" at Admire. Can you prove that? 3. My "8n8 contracts" are somehow now overdue. Can you prove that? 4. That I have traded 100kg Brenhams without paying landowners pennies. Can you prove that? 5. That "my" TV show mentions that 100 kilo Brenham being worth $125,000. Can you prove that? 6. That on this list l offered meteorites higher (in weight than 100kg) for $10,000. Can you prove that? 7. That such an (above) offer would be a scam. Can you prove that? 8. That my show stating that less than less than $1 per gram for Brenham Pallasite is "incredible inflated and unrealistic prices." Can you prove that? 9. That all land owners are now going to want $125,000 for 100 kilo meteorites. Can you prove that? 10. That all collectors are going to have to pay more now. Can you prove that? 11. That I have convinced the public that they all can become millionaires? Can you prove that? 12. That I am destroying this (meteorite) business. Can you prove that? 13. That I am ripping off land owners. Can you prove that? 14. That I am inflating prices. Can you prove that? 15. That this isn't funny. Can you prove that? 16. Which people have you spoken to "working at Admire" that you are quoting? Can you list names? 17. That the land owners at Admire are mad at me for not being paid for 2 years. Can you prove that? Please name names if you are citing this "hearsay" as "proof." 18. That hunters are not welcome on many farms at Admire now. Can you prove that? 19. That "they" think "we" are all con men now. Can you prove that? 20. That the Admire I am selling on ebay now is from the investors project. Can you prove that? 21. That the investors have gotten almost nothing back. Can you prove that? 22. Than I am obligated some way to clear up these things for you. Can you prove that? 23. And if I do, that there will be nothing to talk about? Can you prove that? 24. That you are Mike Farmer. Can you prove that? (Sorry, but when over 20 claims, which of course you can't back up, are made in one email, because you have no first hand knowledge of any of this, it makes me wonder if you are not really Mike Farmer, but maybe really Michael Casper.) 25. That the premise that this is ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS to begin with? Can you prove that? I am sure you will do like the last time this happened on the list and respond with: "Yea, Steve you are right." then refuse to answer these questions above. Which if fine. None of us here on the list expect you to actually back up anything you say or that you ask questions for the purpose of getting actual answers. But I feel obligated to ask you these questions anyway, even though we know you won't answer them. Now, back to my question that I asked the list. If Michael Farmer has made any negative statements about me or my business in private to you, including but not limited to his fantastic comments below, would you please contact me in private off the list. Thank you in advance. Oh, and Mike did get at least one thing right, I do have some Admire up on Ebay right now. Since I didn't want to violate the 2 ads in a week policy, I appreciate that he brought that up. Thanks Mike. Here is the URL: http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store Bid high, and bid often! And for the record, I tried to keep within the Meteorite List's rules in my reply. The only insult I threw at Mike, might have been a subtle reference that he is acting like Michael Casper. While that alone might be considered by many an offense worthy of being kicked off the list, I think I have far more "proof" Farmer has morphed into Casper-like-behavior than he has proof of the allegations he has made about me. Steve Arnold of "Meteorite Men" In a message dated 8/12/2009 3:27:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mike at meteoriteguy.com writes: Steve, since you want to make things more public, start by explaining your side of this: Mani vs Arnold Bexar County District Clerk Bexar County Courthouse 100 Dolorosa Street, 1st Floor San Antonio, TX 78205-3002 75 page lawsuit for theft and fraud. I am sure with pending litigation you won't wish to do that though. Why is it that you pound on people with your contracts, such as when you cried about people raiding your Admire strewnfield, yet your contracts are worth less than the paper they are printed on. Tell people why you have paid the landowners nothing in Admire, so you are now kicked off of most of that land and other people have taken over the hunt. Tell people how your 8 in 8 contracts went, 3 years overdue now. Tell people how you have traded off 100 kilo Brenhams for mars rocks and not paid the landowners a penny. I am curious about another thing, in your meteorite men show, which promenantly shows an Admire strewnfild map (very very smart move there) it shows prices of 100 kilo Brenham pallasites as $125,000 value. Yet you publicly on this meteorite list try selling the same meteorites of even higher weights for $10,000, a 92% discount not even taking into. That is what I call a scam. You have spread this massive value to the world on your show, incredible inflated and unrealistic prices. Now all landowners are going to want $125,000 for a 100 kilo meteorite. All collectors are going to have to pay more for new finds since you convinced the public they can all become millionaires. You are destroying this business by ripping off landowners, and inflating prices to the public which are so far from true it isn't even funny anymore. I have spoken to people working in Admire than they inform me that because you you and the bad feelings from the landowners at not being paid in more than two years, hunters are not welcome on many farms there anymore. They think we are all conmen. How much of that ebay Admire money is going to the investors who sunk more than $50,000 into your hunts years ago and have received almost nothing back? If you clear these things up, then there will be nothing to talk about. Michael Farmer From mike at meteoriteguy.com Wed Aug 12 22:06:15 2009 From: mike at meteoriteguy.com (Michael Farmer) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Brenham/Admire scam In-Reply-To: <28A88A88-B291-427C-B68A-B70EAF2BE014@notkin.net> Message-ID: <592776.35848.qm@web1114.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Geoff, nice, Yeah, some of us go around the world and risk our necks, some dig in Kansas and steal all the meteorites from the landowners, conning them into believing that riches are "just around the corner". Why dont you tell us how many landowners have been paid for the Alpha-site/Admire you and Steve have dug up? I know that in two years none have been paid and are all pissed off and ready to sue you and Steve. Phil just got there first. The news is coming. You and Steve could care less about meteorites, all you care about is your fame, such as it is. Is it not true that you state that the Brenhams are worth $125,000 for a ~100 kilo stone? Steve was just trying to pawn one off on some sucker here for double that size for only $10,000. You have caused the meteorite world a real disservice by inflating your bogus prices on TV when in the real world it is 10% what you state. Every landowner who has seen that thinks you guys are millionairs, when Steve can't even pay his cutting bills. I laugh at how stupid you and the other investors are, getting conned for YEARS into Steve's 8 in 8 contracts. He blew through that $50,000 years ago, begs for more but produces not one cent. Admire has now been found by the TON, and is being processed right now. I think it is hilarious actually, the gullibility of some people. What is the response to the 75 page lawsuit filed against Steve? You went to Brenham, conveniently after Steve told his partner all land was hunted, and WOW, like majic you guys started popping massive meteorites out of the ground right and left. Pretty good for hunted out land. Or was it marked signals saved for later? Does the IMCA care that IMCA members are accused of stealing far more than Evans ever was? Inquiring minds want to know . Michael From cdtucson at cox.net Tue Aug 11 15:13:07 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:13:07 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090811151307.23U3H.110181.imail@fed1rmwml45> Sterling, Randy et al, OMG. Randy's explanation of "why it looks like it does"? Made total sense to me. Basically it fell when Mar's atmosphere was more like Earths billions of years ago. Okay. Sterling, I read your explanation to say that it did not have to have fallen billions of years ago in order to look the same as they look when they land on earth. You are saying it looks the same because there is virtually no difference in our comparative atmospheres? Just that Mar's critical area of ablation is higher up? Then why do they call it thinner when it is just higher? It seems like both explanations make sense but they are well, not quite the same are they? Weathering and erosion is not a factor? To me it's morphology resembles Goose lake as opposed to Sikote shrapnel or Tucson ring. And to go back to my original question; Did ablation cause the shape or was it already that shape while in space? Because in a thin atmosphere it would just fly in and land as-is. Or not? My head hurts. Thank you. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- "Sterling K. Webb" wrote: > Hi, Randy, List, > > Timorous about questioning "experts," local or otherwise, > I find the notion that a meteorite could sit on (or near) the > surface of Mars undisturbed for four billion years to be most > unlikely, also the assumption that there was no denser > atmosphere for the last four billion years, also the assumption > that a denser atmosphere is required. I also feel that there's > a misconception about meteoritic re-entry here. > > Common sense makes us want to question the "soft landing" > of any iron meteorite, but every surficial iron meteorite cannot > be excavated or exposed from any great depth. First, only very > slow (relatively) moving objects penetrate the soil rather than > vaporize, so the depth of burial is always shallow. Second, one > has only to look at HOBA, now weighing in at 60 tons, but > estimated to have been 100 tons at landing (from the quantity > of iron shale in a roughly circular disc surrounding it. Presumably, > at "landing," it had a shape very much like the Martian iron > in question (but a lot bigger), and its thinner edges have oxidized > away, leaving the present "blocky" core. > > How did a 100 ton chuck of iron make a soft landing on the > Earth? (You tell me how HOBA did it; I'll tell you how BLOCK > ISLAND did it.) The answer is: "it flew," like the Space Shuttle > "flies" (my candidate for Scariest Glider of All Time, except for > the WWII Soviet "Flying Tank"). It flew at a steep angle, yes, > but it flew. > > Flight depends on the atmosphere, and the chief factor in > the difference between the Martian and Terrestrial atmospheres > is the scale height. The rate at which pressure declines with > altitude is characterized by the scale height, the altitude at > which pressure has dropped by a factor of "e" (nat. log. base = > 2.718281828). The scale height of the Martian atmosphere > is about 11 kilometers; for the Earth, it's only about 6 kilometers. > > The formula for the scale height is H = ( k * T ) / ( M * g ), > where k = Gas constant = 8.314 J?(mole K)^-1, T = mean > planetary surface temperature in Kelvin degrees, M = mean > molecular mass of dry air (units kg?mole^-1), g = acceleration > due to gravity on planetary surface. > > Molecular mass of the Martian atmosphere is about 50% greater > then the Earth's "M," but "g" is only 38% of the Earth's. Planets with > lower gravity have "taller" atmospheres, if you want to remember > it the easy way. There are always "wrinkles" to ideal gas formulas. > At very high altitudes, the "air" is so thin that diffusion is easy, > so every species of gas molecule has "its own" scale height nearer > the top of the atmosphere. But Mars' atmosphere is almost entirely > carbon dioxide, so that factor doesn't change the results much. > > Atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars varies from around > 30 Pascals on Olympus Mons to over 1155 Pascals in the depths > of Hellas Planitia, with a mean surface level pressure of 600 Pascals. > This is less than 1% of the surface pressure on Earth (101,300 > Pascals). The equivalent pressure in the atmospheres of the two > planets can be found in Mars' thin atmosphere at a height of > 34-35 km, where the pressure is the same above either planet's > surface. > > Here's where it gets to be fun. The Martian atmosphere at 60 > to 80 kilometers above the surface, or 100 kilometers, is DENSER > than the atmosphere of the Earth at that height. And that is the > range of heights at which most meteors "light up" or begin to ablate. > In fact, all Martian atmospheric densities at altitudes above 34 > kilometers are greater than the density of the Earth's atmosphere > at the same height, due to the fact that the pressure falls off less > steeply than is the case in the Earth's atmosphere. > > So, the meteoroid that would "light up" at 60 km in the Earth's > atmosphere, will presumably "light up" at a higher altitude in the > Martian atmosphere. It may very well be slowed enough to terminate > its ablative flight at a higher altitude on Mars than the Earth because > of the increased density above 34 kilometers. But it would likely > "stagnate" at a lower altitude (for the same reason of density), then > have a shorter but slower "dark fall" in the lesser Martian gravity. > > For "normal" meteoritic fall, the problem becomes "Watch that > bottom step; it's a doozy!" But by the time the smaller meteorite > encounters (IF it survives that deep) the lower atmosphere where > the density is less than in Earth's atmosphere, it's usually already > lost most of its "cosmic" velocity and is traveling at sub-sonic speeds. > (The speed of sound is of course different for Mars' atmosphere > also.) It is in the most survivable phase of it re-entry by then. > > However, if the newly-arrived meteoroid is a lenticular or even > rectangular "chip" (helpfully arriving a low entry angle and/or a > slower-than-usual entry velocity), it will tend to stabilize in flight. > First surface ablation only improves its aerodynamic characteristics. > So, when one says that for such a landing, it is necessary that Mars > have a more substantial atmosphere, well... The fact is that Mars > HAS a more substantial atmosphere than the Earth, at least above > 34 km. And that's where all the action is... or most of it. > > I'm quite certain that Mars has as many or more meteors in its > skies than the Earth. Besides having a more dense upper atmosphere, > Mars is in the right neighborhood for stray rocks. Shower meteors > in the skies of Mars have been photographed by the Spirit rover: > http://www.obspm.fr/actual/nouvelle/jun05/meteor.en.shtml > > As for not finding any "other meteorites" as big as this one, we've > found how many? ONE other meteorite, I believe. Pretty small sample > to generalize from, don't you think? And we've searched how much > of the planet's surface? > > I understand that the official NASA position is that a thicker > atmosphere is required: > http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-10-2009/0005075085&EDATE= > "Scientists calculate it is too massive to have hit the ground without > disintegrating unless Mars had a much thicker atmosphere than it > has now." Ah, yes, "scientists calculate..." The press release has > spoken. > > > Sterling K. Webb > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Korotev" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Martian in 3-D > > > > Carl et al. > > > > Regarding the Block Island meteorite on Mars... > > > > I asked "Why does it have regmaglypts?" of our local Mars expert, Ray > > Arvidson, who is Deputy Principal Investigator of the Mars Exploration > > Rover Mission. He had mentioned the existence of the meteorite to me > > several weeks ago. He said that the fall happened "4 billion years > > ago," when Mars had a more substantial atmosphere. This makes sense > > to me because we've never seen a meteorite this size on the Moon. On > > the Moon meteoroids impact at several tens of kilometers per second, > > and vaporize. In order to survive as a whole rock, Block Island must > > have been decelerated by an atmosphere. (I'm sure that meteoroids > > hitting Mars are impacting at lower velocities than those hitting > > Earth-Moon, but I don't know the numbers.) > > > > The area where the meteorite was found is a deflation surface - like > > Roosevelt Co., NM, and places in Antarctica. It was buried for a long > > time and then exposed when the dust blew away. They know it's a > > deflation surface because the surface is "young" - the crater count is > > very low. > > > > Only after writing the above did I find some 3D glasses and actually > > looked at the image. Most of the "holes" don't look so much like > > regmaglypts to me. Maybe some are chemical weathering features. > > There will probably be some more info about this meteorite coming out > > later. Ray said that there is a great interest on what kind of > > chemical reactions it's experienced. > > > > Randy Korotev > > Washington University > > > > > > > > > > At 11:54 07-08-09 Friday, you wrote: > >>Pete, List, > >>Very interesting photo. > >>I have a question about it's morphology? > >>Why does it look like that? Why does it have so many holes / dents? > >>Given the atmosphere on Mars being so thin compared with Earth, I > >>thought Earths Atmosphere is what caused this type of erosion of > >>surface materials? It was my understanding that the material ablated > >>away as it passed through the atmosphere . If that is so then why does > >>it look the same on Mars. > >>Is it possible that maybe it already looked like this before it > >>entered Mars' atmosphere? > >>Just curious. > >>-- > >>Carl or Debbie Esparza > >>IMCA 5829 > >>Meteoritemax > >> > >> > >>---- Pete Pete wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi, all, > >> > > >> > An incredible view of a Martian iron in fine detail! > >> > > >> > (note the full resolution link) > >> > > >> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > >> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/images/mer20090806.html > >> > > >> > > >> > It suggests red/green, but red/blue works fine. > >> > > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > Pete > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > >> > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > >> > ______________________________________________ > >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >> > Meteorite-list mailing list > >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>______________________________________________ > >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>Meteorite-list mailing list > >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cdtucson at cox.net Tue Aug 11 19:40:04 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:40:04 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseids Tonight, "Meteorite Men" videos on Science site, Top 10 Meteorites In-Reply-To: <753D6533-8A74-46F7-9C85-792BACFCE991@notkin.net> Message-ID: <20090811194004.08IJY.23762.imail@fed1rmwml28> Geoff, Steve, Those short videos are Awsome. I actually have the Meteorite Men on my DVR and have watched it several times. I know there are many of us on this list that would love to do what you and Steve do. You guys Rock!!! And so does your show! Is there a reason you are not selling it on video yet? Wish you all the best. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- Notkin wrote: > Dear Listees: > > A friendly reminder that the Perseids are expected to peak tonight/ > tomorrow morning for those of you who are enjoying clear skies. It is > unusually cloudy in Tucson at the moment. > > Overseas members and those who don't get Science Channel, may enjoy > watching a series of video excerpts from "Meteorite Men," currently > featured as "Top Video" on the front page of the Science Channel > website: > > http://science.discovery.com > > > You can also find viewing tips for the Perseids, a meteor/meteorite > quiz, and a rather well done "Top 10 Meteorites" section on the > Science site. They have been busy! > > http://science.discovery.com/space/meteors/meteors.html?campaign=sci-int-hp-dl2-meteor87 > > > Regards, > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > www.tucsoncitizen.com/lizard > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 22:12:55 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:12:55 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve Arnold Prime said - "Since I didn't want to violate the 2 ads in a week policy, I appreciate that he brought that up." Actually it's one ad per week. I used to think it was 2 also, but some of the recent uproar about ads prompted me to go re-read the rules. And I was surprised to see, that's it's one ad per week. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/12/09, MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote: > > Hello List and Mike, > > I would like to thank those of you that responded off list to me about the > other post I made earlier today about Mike Farmer. As those of you know > that did contact me, I wasn't specifically interested in asking about what > Mike just shared with all of us here on the list, but now that it is > brought > up: > > if Mike has shared with any of the rest of you any of the same things in > private that he just posted to the group, please contact me off list so we > can discuss them. > > Obviously Mike doesn't care if we talk about these issues, as it seems he > is eager for all of this to come out into the open. So if he asked anyone > to keep these kind of things "confidential" when he discussed them with you > before, you can feel free to share all those details with me now. Thanks. > > > I did not choose to make things more public as falsely stated, but it > seems like Mike just did. > > Of course any lawsuit is in the public domain, so everyone that feels so > compelled should write the court and get a copy of the Petition that was > filed for themselves. Then after reading the petition, if anyone has any > questions about the allegations made in it, they should ask the > plaintiff(s) > directly as it is the plaintiff(s) that are the ones making them, not me. > Getting the Petition will prove to be a very entertaining read, I promise. > > But Mike, you bring up some interesting accusations yourself in your > public post. Either you are repeating hearsay and gossip, or you have > actual > first hand knowledge and or proof of everything you are accusing me of > here, > right? I would say it is YOU Mike Farmer, that now has the burden of proof > that all these public claims are in fact factual. > > So, it is probably your responsibility for you to offer your sources for > this (mis)information, on the following statements you have made: > > 1. That I have not paid the people at Admire anything. Can you prove that? > > 2. That I have been "kicked off most of the land" at Admire. Can you > prove that? > > 3. My "8n8 contracts" are somehow now overdue. Can you prove that? > > 4. That I have traded 100kg Brenhams without paying landowners pennies. > Can you prove that? > > 5. That "my" TV show mentions that 100 kilo Brenham being worth $125,000. > Can you prove that? > > 6. That on this list l offered meteorites higher (in weight than 100kg) > for $10,000. Can you prove that? > > 7. That such an (above) offer would be a scam. Can you prove that? > > 8. That my show stating that less than less than $1 per gram for Brenham > Pallasite is "incredible inflated and unrealistic prices." Can you prove > that? > > 9. That all land owners are now going to want $125,000 for 100 kilo > meteorites. Can you prove that? > > 10. That all collectors are going to have to pay more now. Can you prove > that? > > 11. That I have convinced the public that they all can become > millionaires? Can you prove that? > > 12. That I am destroying this (meteorite) business. Can you prove that? > > 13. That I am ripping off land owners. Can you prove that? > > 14. That I am inflating prices. Can you prove that? > > 15. That this isn't funny. Can you prove that? > > 16. Which people have you spoken to "working at Admire" that you are > quoting? Can you list names? > > 17. That the land owners at Admire are mad at me for not being paid for 2 > years. Can you prove that? > > Please name names if you are citing this "hearsay" as "proof." > > 18. That hunters are not welcome on many farms at Admire now. Can you > prove that? > > 19. That "they" think "we" are all con men now. Can you prove that? > > 20. That the Admire I am selling on ebay now is from the investors > project. Can you prove that? > > 21. That the investors have gotten almost nothing back. Can you prove > that? > > 22. Than I am obligated some way to clear up these things for you. Can > you prove that? > > 23. And if I do, that there will be nothing to talk about? Can you prove > that? > > 24. That you are Mike Farmer. Can you prove that? (Sorry, but when over > 20 claims, which of course you can't back up, are made in one email, > because you have no first hand knowledge of any of this, it makes me wonder > if > you are not really Mike Farmer, but maybe really Michael Casper.) > > 25. That the premise that this is ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS to begin with? Can > you prove that? > > I am sure you will do like the last time this happened on the list and > respond with: "Yea, Steve you are right." then refuse to answer these > questions above. Which if fine. None of us here on the list expect you to > actually back up anything you say or that you ask questions for the purpose > of > getting actual answers. But I feel obligated to ask you these questions > anyway, even though we know you won't answer them. > > Now, back to my question that I asked the list. If Michael Farmer has > made any negative statements about me or my business in private to you, > including but not limited to his fantastic comments below, would you please > contact me in private off the list. > > Thank you in advance. > > Oh, and Mike did get at least one thing right, I do have some Admire up on > Ebay right now. Since I didn't want to violate the 2 ads in a week > policy, I appreciate that he brought that up. Thanks Mike. > > Here is the URL: > http://stores.ebay.com/Steve-Arnold-Meteorites?refid=store Bid high, and > bid often! > > And for the record, I tried to keep within the Meteorite List's rules in > my reply. The only insult I threw at Mike, might have been a subtle > reference that he is acting like Michael Casper. While that alone might be > considered by many an offense worthy of being kicked off the list, I think > I have > far more "proof" Farmer has morphed into Casper-like-behavior than he has > proof of the allegations he has made about me. > > Steve Arnold > of "Meteorite Men" > > > > > > In a message dated 8/12/2009 3:27:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > mike at meteoriteguy.com writes: > Steve, since you want to make things more public, start by explaining your > side of this: > > Mani vs Arnold > > Bexar County District Clerk > > Bexar County Courthouse > > 100 Dolorosa Street, 1st Floor > > San Antonio, TX 78205-3002 > > 75 page lawsuit for theft and fraud. > > I am sure with pending litigation you won't wish to do that though. > > > Why is it that you pound on people with your contracts, such as when you > cried about people raiding your Admire strewnfield, yet your contracts are > worth less than the paper they are printed on. Tell people why you have > paid > the landowners nothing in Admire, so you are now kicked off of most of > that land and other people have taken over the hunt. > Tell people how your 8 in 8 contracts went, 3 years overdue now. Tell > people how you have traded off 100 kilo Brenhams for mars rocks and not > paid > the landowners a penny. > > I am curious about another thing, in your meteorite men show, which > promenantly shows an Admire strewnfild map (very very smart move there) it > shows > prices of 100 kilo Brenham pallasites as $125,000 value. > Yet you publicly on this meteorite list try selling the same meteorites of > even higher weights for $10,000, a 92% discount not even taking into. That > is what I call a scam. > You have spread this massive value to the world on your show, incredible > inflated and unrealistic prices. Now all landowners are going to want > $125,000 for a 100 kilo meteorite. All collectors are going to have to pay > more > for new finds since you convinced the public they can all become > millionaires. > You are destroying this business by ripping off landowners, and inflating > prices to the public which are so far from true it isn't even funny > anymore. I have spoken to people working in Admire than they inform me that > because you you and the bad feelings from the landowners at not being paid > in > more than two years, hunters are not welcome on many farms there anymore. > They > think we are all conmen. > > How much of that ebay Admire money is going to the investors who sunk more > than $50,000 into your hunts years ago and have received almost nothing > back? If you clear these things up, then there will be nothing to talk > about. > > Michael Farmer > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 12 22:47:39 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:47:39 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer's Comments about Steve Arnold Message-ID: Steve, If there is a lawsuit, you should not be discussing this with anyone especially on the internet. Good luck. Carl, been to too many jury duties _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Wed Aug 12 23:01:30 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:01:30 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Stovepiping Message-ID: <64602e8ead5f46e9851f671049223210@ucv1.vhostdns.com> Someone emailed me about my use of the word "stovepipe". What is it, etc... Well, I may or may not have seen it in official meteoriticist vocabulary but I do think it is a useful word in meteorites. In general, Stovepiping refers any feature that sticks up like a flue pipe from a franklin stove. In the case of a meteorite, I use stovepiping to describe the feature on the leeside of a oriented meteorite. I posit that the melted rock may have congealed and cooled on the back side in a stovepipe fashion. I hope that clears up the term and officially adds it to our vocabulary. -mt From fujmon at mac.com Wed Aug 12 23:48:46 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:48:46 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kansas meteorites Message-ID: Hmmm, all this talk of Brenham and Admire make me long to see the farmlands of Kansas.... Okay, maybe I'll stick to surfing in Hawaii instead. But that does not take away from the fact that a lot of interesting meteorites have been discovered to have fallen in a state whose motto is "Ad astra per aspera", or "To the stars through difficulties". Quite apropos, given the nature and direction of some of the dialog on this metlist lately. Ah, but I'm not dwelling there. Instead, I offer Norton County ... to the list of wonderful meteorites of Kansas, and to anyone wishing to acquire some beautifully crusted fragments of said fall - on my ebay auction ending this Saturday (along with many other items of potential interest): http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Mahalo, Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Thu Aug 13 07:26:10 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 13 Aug 2009 11:26:10 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] In memoriam Darryl Futrell - Gone but not forgotten Message-ID: Dear List, Saturday, 21 July 2001, Darryl sent me these lines: "Would you believe I have a letter from the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing, from one of their top two tektite researchers, inviting me to go there and do tektite field work with them?" Monday, 13 August 2001, Darryl passed away after a severe heart attack. Of course, he would have loved to accept this invitation, but, alas, in the same mail he also wrote: "Six or more years ago, I would have gone, but now there's no way." Best wishes, Bernd From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 13 11:14:03 2009 From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:14:03 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! Message-ID: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I had a bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the plagioclase feldspar sticks between your teeth! Phil Whitmer Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, well ... By Jay MacDonald Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space debris at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he has tasted them. "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have purchased or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of space rock." Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet anyway. Building a rock-solid empire Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University of Arizona on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting toward a career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem and mineral show on earth. "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it that it changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I thought, 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an old-timer who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking price: $4,000 for the box. "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the box," Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found that that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my money on those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could actually make money doing this." Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens of trips to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. From damoclid at yahoo.com Thu Aug 13 11:45:52 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> Message-ID: <410698.61386.qm@web33903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his > hands -- he has tasted them. > > "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I > have purchased or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. > "We are all made of space rock." > I guess you can't say he doesn't have meteorites in his blood... Any comment on the various terroirs Mike? -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From rlenssen at planet.nl Thu Aug 13 13:14:24 2009 From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:14:24 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: fresh type 3, Olivine Diogenite & 794g regmaglyphed UNWA at Ebay References: Message-ID: <72869B873A6C4CE0AFAE41A21940C98A@EIGENAARNJEQJY> Dear List, I have some Ebay auctions ending coming weekend: - Top quality L3 slices (NWA5730 L3.2 S2 W1) - Olivine Diogenite slices - A beautiful 794g regmaglyphed UNWA You might want to have a look at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/rob1612mar Thanks, Rob Lenssen IMCA #1681 From leighannedelray at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 17:32:12 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:32:12 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> Message-ID: <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! The latest trend: http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. Just a little something to be silly, Leigh Anne On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php > > I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. ?Just this morning I had a > bowl ?of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the plagioclase > feldspar sticks between your teeth! > > Phil Whitmer > > Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy > In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, well ... > By Jay MacDonald > > Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space debris at > the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. > > > > He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he has > tasted them. > > "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have purchased > or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of space > rock." > > Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, > one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet > anyway. > > Building a rock-solid empire > Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University of Arizona > on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting toward a > career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem and > mineral show on earth. > > "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it that it > changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I thought, > 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" > > Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an old-timer > who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking price: > $4,000 for the box. > > "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the box," > Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found that > that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my money on > those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could actually > make money doing this." > > Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens of trips > to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. > > Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From fujmon at mac.com Thu Aug 13 17:34:49 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:34:49 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <203912D9-1737-4AE3-B22A-5440DEE5ED75@mac.com> Wow Leigh Anne, And they let you lick and snort their stones? You're a wild child ;^) gary On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! > > The latest trend: > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg > > Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! > > > Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg > > And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. > > > Just a little something to be silly, > Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, > JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php >> >> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I >> had a >> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the >> plagioclase >> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, >> well ... >> By Jay MacDonald >> >> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space >> debris at >> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. >> >> >> >> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he >> has >> tasted them. >> >> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have >> purchased >> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of >> space >> rock." >> >> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka >> Meteorite Guy, >> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet >> anyway. >> >> Building a rock-solid empire >> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University >> of Arizona >> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting >> toward a >> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem >> and >> mineral show on earth. >> >> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it >> that it >> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I >> thought, >> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >> >> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an >> old-timer >> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking >> price: >> $4,000 for the box. >> >> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the >> box," >> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found >> that >> that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my >> money on >> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could >> actually >> make money doing this." >> >> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens >> of trips >> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >> >> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From gmhupe at htn.net Thu Aug 13 17:49:46 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:49:46 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Leigh Anne and All, Just to clear up any misconceptions about Leigh Anne 'licking' my moon [rock], she didn't actually lick the stone, just pretended to do so at the ASU Apollo 40th Anniversary Celebration of the first lunar landing. Sorry Leigh Anne, couldn't let you do that to the NWA 482 Main Mass! :-/ I am glad you wore the rubber gloves for safe rock handling! ;-) Leigh Anne, I do have some lunar cutting dust from many different lunar meteorites that you can add to a Rum & Coke if you like. It fizzes when you add the dust, but it is a little gritty towards the end of the drink! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Anne DelRay" To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" ; Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! The latest trend: http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. Just a little something to be silly, Leigh Anne On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php > > I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I had a > bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the plagioclase > feldspar sticks between your teeth! > > Phil Whitmer > > Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy > In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, well ... > By Jay MacDonald > > Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space debris > at > the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. > > > > He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he has > tasted them. > > "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have purchased > or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of space > rock." > > Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite > Guy, > one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet > anyway. > > Building a rock-solid empire > Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University of > Arizona > on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting toward a > career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem and > mineral show on earth. > > "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it that it > changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I thought, > 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" > > Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an > old-timer > who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking price: > $4,000 for the box. > > "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the box," > Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found that > that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my money on > those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could actually > make money doing this." > > Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens of > trips > to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. > > Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From leighannedelray at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 17:56:40 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:56:40 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e97e2850908131456n34c2ed94y95929f2bdac73740@mail.gmail.com> Why do you have to ruin all of my fun? O.k. Greg for the record did not let me 'actually' lick the NWA 482, yet only appear as I was licking it. But I shall take you up on the moon dust drink, I would prefer it with some Grey Goose and Sprite though. :>) ~ Leigh Anne On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Greg Hupe wrote: > Hi Leigh Anne and All, > > Just to clear up any misconceptions about Leigh Anne 'licking' my moon > [rock], she didn't actually lick the stone, just pretended to do so at the > ASU Apollo 40th Anniversary Celebration of the first lunar landing. Sorry > Leigh Anne, couldn't let you do that to the NWA 482 Main Mass! :-/ ? I am > glad you wore the rubber gloves for safe rock handling! ;-) > > Leigh Anne, I do have some lunar cutting dust from many different lunar > meteorites that you can add to a Rum & Coke if you like. It fizzes when you > add the dust, but it is a little gritty towards the end of the drink! > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Anne DelRay" > > To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! > > > Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! > > The latest trend: > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg > > Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! > > > Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg > > And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. > > > Just a little something to be silly, > Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, > JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> >> >> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php >> >> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I had a >> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the plagioclase >> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, well ... >> By Jay MacDonald >> >> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space debris >> at >> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. >> >> >> >> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he has >> tasted them. >> >> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have purchased >> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of space >> rock." >> >> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite >> Guy, >> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet >> anyway. >> >> Building a rock-solid empire >> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University of >> Arizona >> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting toward a >> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem and >> mineral show on earth. >> >> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it that it >> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I thought, >> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >> >> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an >> old-timer >> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking price: >> $4,000 for the box. >> >> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the box," >> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found that >> that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my money on >> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could actually >> make money doing this." >> >> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens of >> trips >> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >> >> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > From gmhupe at htn.net Thu Aug 13 18:03:12 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:03:12 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> <5e97e2850908131456n34c2ed94y95929f2bdac73740@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <09C79013879F4E0797E8B2AE21272FB1@Gregor> Hi All, I accidentally wrote "ASU Apollo 40th...", I meant to write, "LPL 'Apollo Moon Landing 40th Anniversary Celebration' at UofA". Sorry about that, much on my mind today... Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Anne DelRay" To: "Greg Hupe" ; Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! Why do you have to ruin all of my fun? O.k. Greg for the record did not let me 'actually' lick the NWA 482, yet only appear as I was licking it. But I shall take you up on the moon dust drink, I would prefer it with some Grey Goose and Sprite though. :>) ~ Leigh Anne On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Greg Hupe wrote: > Hi Leigh Anne and All, > > Just to clear up any misconceptions about Leigh Anne 'licking' my moon > [rock], she didn't actually lick the stone, just pretended to do so at the > ASU Apollo 40th Anniversary Celebration of the first lunar landing. Sorry > Leigh Anne, couldn't let you do that to the NWA 482 Main Mass! :-/ I am > glad you wore the rubber gloves for safe rock handling! ;-) > > Leigh Anne, I do have some lunar cutting dust from many different lunar > meteorites that you can add to a Rum & Coke if you like. It fizzes when > you > add the dust, but it is a little gritty towards the end of the drink! > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Anne DelRay" > > To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! > > > Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! > > The latest trend: > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg > > Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! > > > Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg > > And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. > > > Just a little something to be silly, > Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, > JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> >> >> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php >> >> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I had a >> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the plagioclase >> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, well ... >> By Jay MacDonald >> >> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space debris >> at >> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. >> >> >> >> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he has >> tasted them. >> >> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have >> purchased >> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of space >> rock." >> >> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite >> Guy, >> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet >> anyway. >> >> Building a rock-solid empire >> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University of >> Arizona >> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting toward >> a >> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem and >> mineral show on earth. >> >> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it that >> it >> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I >> thought, >> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >> >> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an >> old-timer >> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking price: >> $4,000 for the box. >> >> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the box," >> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found that >> that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my money on >> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could actually >> make money doing this." >> >> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens of >> trips >> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >> >> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Thu Aug 13 18:05:07 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:05:07 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <203912D9-1737-4AE3-B22A-5440DEE5ED75@mac.com> References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET><5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> <203912D9-1737-4AE3-B22A-5440DEE5ED75@mac.com> Message-ID: <015501ca1c62$1ecdb190$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> And I ate Almahata sitta http://farm1.static.flickr.com/4/5290284_cffe3d9d2d.jpg?v=0 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Gary Fujihara Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. August 2009 23:35 An: Leigh Anne DelRay Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; JoshuaTreeMuseum Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! Wow Leigh Anne, And they let you lick and snort their stones? You're a wild child ;^) gary On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! > > The latest trend: > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg > > Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! > > > Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg > > And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. > > > Just a little something to be silly, > Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, > JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker- 1278.php >> >> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I >> had a >> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the >> plagioclase >> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, >> well ... >> By Jay MacDonald >> >> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space >> debris at >> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. >> >> >> >> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he >> has >> tasted them. >> >> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have >> purchased >> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of >> space >> rock." >> >> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka >> Meteorite Guy, >> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet >> anyway. >> >> Building a rock-solid empire >> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University >> of Arizona >> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting >> toward a >> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem >> and >> mineral show on earth. >> >> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it >> that it >> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I >> thought, >> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >> >> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an >> old-timer >> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking >> price: >> $4,000 for the box. >> >> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the >> box," >> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found >> that >> that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my >> money on >> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could >> actually >> make money doing this." >> >> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens >> of trips >> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >> >> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From gmhupe at htn.net Thu Aug 13 18:10:38 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:10:38 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET><5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com><203912D9-1737-4AE3 -B22A-5440DEE5ED75@mac.com> <015501ca1c62$1ecdb190$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: I'd better go brush my tooth, quickly!! Yikes!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! And I ate Almahata sitta http://farm1.static.flickr.com/4/5290284_cffe3d9d2d.jpg?v=0 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Gary Fujihara Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. August 2009 23:35 An: Leigh Anne DelRay Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; JoshuaTreeMuseum Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! Wow Leigh Anne, And they let you lick and snort their stones? You're a wild child ;^) gary On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! > > The latest trend: > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg > > Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! > > > Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg > > And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. > > > Just a little something to be silly, > Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, > JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker- 1278.php >> >> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I >> had a >> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the >> plagioclase >> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, >> well ... >> By Jay MacDonald >> >> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space >> debris at >> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. >> >> >> >> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he >> has >> tasted them. >> >> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have >> purchased >> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of >> space >> rock." >> >> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka >> Meteorite Guy, >> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet >> anyway. >> >> Building a rock-solid empire >> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University >> of Arizona >> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting >> toward a >> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem >> and >> mineral show on earth. >> >> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it >> that it >> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I >> thought, >> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >> >> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an >> old-timer >> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking >> price: >> $4,000 for the box. >> >> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the >> box," >> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found >> that >> that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my >> money on >> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could >> actually >> make money doing this." >> >> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens >> of trips >> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >> >> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From nuuska at dlc.fi Thu Aug 13 18:25:03 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:25:03 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <5e97e2850908131456n34c2ed94y95929f2bdac73740@mail.gmail.com> References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> <5e97e2850908131456n34c2ed94y95929f2bdac73740@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8492BF.1070201@dlc.fi> Think, the "Moon-drink" could be a great business-idea. Have seen cocktails with gold priced very high, but think, what you could ask for a few mg:s of Moon in a drink in a right place... :-P take care, pekka s Leigh Anne DelRay kirjoitti: > Why do you have to ruin all of my fun? > O.k. Greg for the record did not let me 'actually' lick the NWA 482, > yet only appear as I was licking it. > But I shall take you up on the moon dust drink, I would prefer it with > some Grey Goose and Sprite though. > :>) > ~ Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Greg Hupe wrote: > >> Hi Leigh Anne and All, >> >> Just to clear up any misconceptions about Leigh Anne 'licking' my moon >> [rock], she didn't actually lick the stone, just pretended to do so at the >> ASU Apollo 40th Anniversary Celebration of the first lunar landing. Sorry >> Leigh Anne, couldn't let you do that to the NWA 482 Main Mass! :-/ I am >> glad you wore the rubber gloves for safe rock handling! ;-) >> >> Leigh Anne, I do have some lunar cutting dust from many different lunar >> meteorites that you can add to a Rum & Coke if you like. It fizzes when you >> add the dust, but it is a little gritty towards the end of the drink! >> >> Best regards, >> Greg >> >> ==================== >> Greg Hupe >> The Hupe Collection >> NaturesVault (eBay) >> gmhupe at htn.net >> www.LunarRock.com >> IMCA 3163 >> ==================== >> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Anne DelRay" >> >> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" ; >> >> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! >> >> >> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! >> >> The latest trend: >> >> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg >> >> Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! >> >> >> Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon Rock >> >> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg >> >> And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. >> >> >> Just a little something to be silly, >> Leigh Anne >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, >> JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> >>> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php >>> >>> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just this morning I had a >>> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate the way the plagioclase >>> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >>> >>> Phil Whitmer >>> >>> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >>> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise has been, well ... >>> By Jay MacDonald >>> >>> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a chunk of space debris >>> at >>> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life forever. >>> >>> >>> >>> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in his hands -- he has >>> tasted them. >>> >>> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock that I have purchased >>> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are all made of space >>> rock." >>> >>> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite >>> Guy, >>> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- on this planet >>> anyway. >>> >>> Building a rock-solid empire >>> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the University of >>> Arizona >>> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and vaguely drifting toward a >>> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into the largest gem and >>> mineral show on earth. >>> >>> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so fascinated with it that it >>> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When I saw it, I thought, >>> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >>> >>> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site until he met an >>> old-timer >>> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. His asking price: >>> $4,000 for the box. >>> >>> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and borrow to buy the box," >>> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the meteorites, I found that >>> that they were from a very rare collection, and I quadrupled my money on >>> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized you could actually >>> make money doing this." >>> >>> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the first of dozens of >>> trips >>> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >>> >>> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.54/2300 - Release Date: 08/13/09 06:11:00 > > -- Pekka Savolainen Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Rasala FINLAND member of IMCA #5776 www.imca.cc From cynapse at charter.net Thu Aug 13 19:41:06 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:41:06 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <4A8492BF.1070201@dlc.fi> References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> <5e97e2850908131456n34c2ed94y95929f2bdac73740@mail.gmail.com> <4A8492BF.1070201@dlc.fi> Message-ID: <639985pcsq5qd1diiedcolk22cqlmke4bo@4ax.com> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:25:03 +0300, you wrote: > >Think, the "Moon-drink" could be a great business-idea. They already have a Tunguska drink: http://www.dotheblast.com/ From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 13 18:37:01 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:37:01 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike farmer eats Moon & Mars rocks Message-ID: There is a very small possibility Mike recovered the little Martian and Lunar fragments he ate. ;p They may be sitting proudly in someone else's collection. Carl _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail?. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009 From nuuska at dlc.fi Thu Aug 13 18:38:11 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:38:11 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <629343.1513.qm@web1104.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <629343.1513.qm@web1104.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A8495D3.5040706@dlc.fi> Hunters have had different kind of rituals during thousands of years, (and have also today), so why not bring something like this also to the meteorite-hunting too. best, pekka s Michael Farmer kirjoitti: > I have always eaten a small fragment (I am talking sand size, nothing substantial) of any lunar or Martian meteorite I have recovered, either bought or found. It is a ritual, to celebrate this rare rock. > Michael Farmer > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Pekka Savolainen wrote: > > >> From: Pekka Savolainen >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! >> To: "Leigh Anne DelRay" >> Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 4:25 PM >> >> Think, the "Moon-drink" could be a great >> business-idea. >> Have seen cocktails with gold priced very high, but think, >> what you could ask for a few mg:s of Moon in a >> drink in >> a right place... :-P >> >> take care, >> >> pekka s >> >> >> Leigh Anne DelRay kirjoitti: >> >>> Why do you have to ruin all of my fun? >>> O.k. Greg for the record did not let me 'actually' >>> >> lick the NWA 482, >> >>> yet only appear as I was licking it. >>> But I shall take you up on the moon dust drink, I >>> >> would prefer it with >> >>> some Grey Goose and Sprite though. >>> :>) >>> ~ Leigh Anne >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Greg Hupe >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Leigh Anne and All, >>>> >>>> Just to clear up any misconceptions about Leigh >>>> >> Anne 'licking' my moon >> >>>> [rock], she didn't actually lick the stone, just >>>> >> pretended to do so at the >> >>>> ASU Apollo 40th Anniversary Celebration of the >>>> >> first lunar landing. Sorry >> >>>> Leigh Anne, couldn't let you do that to the NWA >>>> >> 482 Main Mass! :-/ I am >> >>>> glad you wore the rubber gloves for safe rock >>>> >> handling! ;-) >> >>>> Leigh Anne, I do have some lunar cutting dust from >>>> >> many different lunar >> >>>> meteorites that you can add to a Rum & Coke if >>>> >> you like. It fizzes when you >> >>>> add the dust, but it is a little gritty towards >>>> >> the end of the drink! >> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> ==================== >>>> Greg Hupe >>>> The Hupe Collection >>>> NaturesVault (eBay) >>>> gmhupe at htn.net >>>> www.LunarRock.com >>>> IMCA 3163 >>>> ==================== >>>> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >>>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leigh Anne >>>> >> DelRay" >> >>>> >>>> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" ; >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:32 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats >>>> >> Moon & Mars Rocks! >> >>>> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars Rocks!!!!! >>>> >>>> The latest trend: >>>> >>>> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg >>>> >>>> Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico >>>> >> Doug! >> >>>> Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not >>>> >> eaten) a moon Rock >> >>>> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg >>>> >>>> And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg >>>> >> Hupe'. >> >>>> Just a little something to be silly, >>>> Leigh Anne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, >>>> JoshuaTreeMuseum >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php >>>>> >>>>> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. >>>>> >> Just this morning I had a >> >>>>> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I >>>>> >> hate the way the plagioclase >> >>>>> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >>>>> >>>>> Phil Whitmer >>>>> >>>>> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >>>>> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, >>>>> >> his rise has been, well ... >> >>>>> By Jay MacDonald >>>>> >>>>> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target >>>>> >> purchased a chunk of space debris >> >>>>> at >>>>> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed >>>>> >> his life forever. >> >>>>> >>>>> He has not only held pieces of the moon and >>>>> >> Mars in his hands -- he has >> >>>>> tasted them. >>>>> >>>>> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and >>>>> >> Mars rock that I have purchased >> >>>>> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. >>>>> >> "We are all made of space >> >>>>> rock." >>>>> >>>>> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of >>>>> >> Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite >> >>>>> Guy, >>>>> one of only about 20 professional meteorite >>>>> >> brokers -- on this planet >> >>>>> anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Building a rock-solid empire >>>>> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student >>>>> >> attending the University of >> >>>>> Arizona >>>>> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time >>>>> >> and vaguely drifting toward a >> >>>>> career with the CIA when he happened to wander >>>>> >> into the largest gem and >> >>>>> mineral show on earth. >>>>> >>>>> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got >>>>> >> so fascinated with it that it >> >>>>> changed the course of my life," Farmer >>>>> >> recalls. "When I saw it, I thought, >> >>>>> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >>>>> >>>>> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show >>>>> >> site until he met an >> >>>>> old-timer >>>>> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under >>>>> >> the table. His asking price: >> >>>>> $4,000 for the box. >>>>> >>>>> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg >>>>> >> and borrow to buy the box," >> >>>>> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching >>>>> >> the meteorites, I found that >> >>>>> that they were from a very rare collection, >>>>> >> and I quadrupled my money on >> >>>>> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I >>>>> >> realized you could actually >> >>>>> make money doing this." >>>>> >>>>> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to >>>>> >> make the first of dozens of >> >>>>> trips >>>>> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara >>>>> >> Desert. >> >>>>> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally >>>>> >> humbled. >> >>>>> >> ______________________________________________ >> >>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.54/2300 - >>> >> Release Date: 08/13/09 06:11:00 >> >>> >>> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.54/2300 - Release Date: 08/13/09 06:11:00 >> >> From nuuska at dlc.fi Thu Aug 13 18:44:18 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:44:18 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <639985pcsq5qd1diiedcolk22cqlmke4bo@4ax.com> References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> <5e97e2850908131456n34c2ed94y95929f2bdac73740@mail.gmail.com> <4A8492BF.1070201@dlc.fi> <639985pcsq5qd1diiedcolk22cqlmke4bo@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4A849742.5010401@dlc.fi> Snake-oil has a long history, and it seems to continue in a more modern way... :-P Have to try that. best, pekka s Darren Garrison kirjoitti: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:25:03 +0300, you wrote: > > >> Think, the "Moon-drink" could be a great business-idea. >> > > They already have a Tunguska drink: > > http://www.dotheblast.com/ > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.54/2300 - Release Date: 08/13/09 06:11:00 > > From daistiho at hotmail.com Thu Aug 13 19:10:38 2009 From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:10:38 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: References: <81267D77CE7E4BCC8FDF1394786DAA3E@ET> <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I suggest that 'Planetary Punch' be on the menu at the next Tucson Bash. A suitable blend with a small admixture of Lunaite and Martian dust...;) Best! Tracy Latimer _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_PH_software:082009 From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 13 20:14:27 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:14:27 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Tasty Moo and Mars rocks Message-ID: Both of those rocks look pretty tasty and I sprinkle meteorite dust on my plants, and I swear it makes them bloom better. You should see my Cacti, Gardenia and Jasmine bloom after a little Park Forest or Long Island dust. I think the cacti like Nantan flakes the best for good blooming. ;-) Brian From tinbider at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 13 21:51:39 2009 From: tinbider at yahoo.co.uk (Aubrey Whymark) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:51:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell Tektite Lamp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <979743.86088.qm@web28507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi List Unfortunately I never knew Darryl Futrell. I have, however, read many of his articles which I certainly find interesting even if I do not agree with the conclusions. In an article titled 'The Lunar Origin of Tektites' in Rock & Gem Feb 1999 there is a photo of a fantastic Tektite 'Tiffany' Style lamp. This was made by Dan Wright from natural un-cut thin splashform tektites from Thailand. See it here: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JHsNghP_3Rcb0QbP9zHr_w?authkey=Gv1sRgCM6XzLrq76-GKQ&feat=directlink Does anyone know what happened to this lamp? Also are there any more in existence? It is a fantastic piece! Regards, Aubrey www.tektites.co.uk --- On Thu, 13/8/09, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote: > From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > Subject: [meteorite-list] In memoriam Darryl Futrell - Gone but not forgotten > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, 13 August, 2009, 12:26 PM > Dear List, > > Saturday, 21 July 2001, Darryl sent me these lines: > > "Would you believe I have a letter from the Chinese Academy > of Sciences > in Beijing, from one of their top two tektite researchers, > inviting me to go > there and do tektite field work with them?" > > Monday, 13 August 2001, Darryl passed away after a severe > heart attack. > > Of course, he would have loved to accept this invitation, > but, alas, in the > same mail he also wrote: > > "Six or more years ago, I would have gone, but now there's > no way." > > > Best wishes, > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From pshugar at clearwire.net Thu Aug 13 22:17:03 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:17:03 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell Tektite Lamp References: <979743.86088.qm@web28507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Imagine what this would look like if it were made with a quantity of pallasite thin sections. THAT would be a sight to behold. Maybe I'd better declare it copyrighted so I don't loose the idea---- Pete IMCA 1733 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aubrey Whymark" To: Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell Tektite Lamp > Hi List > > Unfortunately I never knew Darryl Futrell. I have, however, read many of > his articles which I certainly find interesting even if I do not agree > with the conclusions. > > In an article titled 'The Lunar Origin of Tektites' in Rock & Gem Feb 1999 > there is a photo of a fantastic Tektite 'Tiffany' Style lamp. This was > made by Dan Wright from natural un-cut thin splashform tektites from > Thailand. See it here: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JHsNghP_3Rcb0QbP9zHr_w?authkey=Gv1sRgCM6XzLrq76-GKQ&feat=directlink > > Does anyone know what happened to this lamp? Also are there any more in > existence? It is a fantastic piece! > > Regards, Aubrey > www.tektites.co.uk > > > --- On Thu, 13/8/09, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > wrote: > >> From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de >> Subject: [meteorite-list] In memoriam Darryl Futrell - Gone but not >> forgotten >> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thursday, 13 August, 2009, 12:26 PM >> Dear List, >> >> Saturday, 21 July 2001, Darryl sent me these lines: >> >> "Would you believe I have a letter from the Chinese Academy >> of Sciences >> in Beijing, from one of their top two tektite researchers, >> inviting me to go >> there and do tektite field work with them?" >> >> Monday, 13 August 2001, Darryl passed away after a severe >> heart attack. >> >> Of course, he would have loved to accept this invitation, >> but, alas, in the >> same mail he also wrote: >> >> "Six or more years ago, I would have gone, but now there's >> no way." >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Bernd >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mikewren at gilanet.com Thu Aug 13 22:51:30 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:51:30 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Over 10k in Auctions Listed-Check The Quick Link! Message-ID: Hello, Back from the field and I thought I would make everyone aware of a GREAT SET of Auctions for the week! Go To: http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ Thanks and Best Wishes Michael From jgrossman at usgs.gov Fri Aug 14 00:50:48 2009 From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:50:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA In-Reply-To: <93aaac890908092202u241fbae3i64c188acf6d61e57@mail.gmail.co m> References: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <93aaac890908092202u241fbae3i64c188acf6d61e57@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20090814003159.05819048@usgs.gov> The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January 2000. But to really understand the history, you need to go back a few years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus a series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem meteorites, compounded by our inability to learn many details about those meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. We decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be applied as a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not been classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided and sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to investigate multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite provenance in the region. Thus it was decided that all of these meteorites would be named NWA, even those that had been classified. I'm not sure what ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the whole thing. Since I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there were no synonyms to publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. jeff Jeff At 01:02 AM 8/10/2009, Jason Utas wrote: >Dirk, Brian, All, >This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, Casper >sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name around >that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number of >similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the >mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, where >not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition). And >while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, this, >I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain. I >never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some >consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed. >Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's >NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper. I might only >call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that applies >to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites. Single name, >unknown number of meteorites. I don't know if it quite fits the >definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far off. >Regards, >Jason > >On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote: > > > > Dear Brian and List, > > Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. > > Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a > new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. > Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s > catalogue lists: > > 22.4g @ $44.80; > > 26.9g@ $53.80 > > 31.5g@ $63.00 > > 33.5g@ $67.00 > > 41.0g@ $82.00 > > 46.8g@ $93.60 > > 53.2g@ $106.40 > > 58.6g@ $117.20 > > 67.4g@ $134.80 > > 70.0g@ $140.00 > > 83.1g@ $166.20 > > 114.9g@ $229.80 > > 153.6g@ $307.20 > > > > In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece > photographed, which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term > for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. > > > > So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by > INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. > > > > I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks > and at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the > planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by > the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. > > The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was > Dean Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); > prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? > > > > Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a > mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the > day. Also missed the Great Habibi! > > > > When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine > beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. > > > > At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be > blue...Idir met Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be > at Kem-Kem at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. > > > > Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are > searchingforfun. > > > > Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: > > > >> From: Brian Cox > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name > before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM > >> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem > >> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey > >> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that > >> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from > >> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members > >> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. > >> > >> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey > >> just now in this auction. > >> > >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 > > > > > >> > >> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> IMCA # 6387 > >> > >> searchingforfun is my > >> ebay User ID > >> ______________________________________________ > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > > > > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 02:55:00 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:55:00 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC" name for NWAs, Northwest African meteorites Message-ID: Hi Jeff, Thank you very much for your explanation of Kem Kem and the NomCom approving the NWA designation because of all the confusion and the situation of all the meteorites coming out of the region. Thank you for mentioning that you and NomCom decided on "A Generic Term" Northwest Africa, that could be applied as a "Tracking" label to all stones. I really appreciate your explanation. All the best! Brian IMCA # 6387 From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 04:18:03 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:18:03 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC" name for NWAs, Northwest African meteorites Message-ID: <19BB00A135DF4DF1B932DC9B07ABF813@user6e6e286533> Jeff, Thanks again for your time and for bringing more light to the subject of the origination of the names, NWA and Kem Kem. You mentioned about where the Kem Kems went to and I forgot to mention that I have a piece of Kem Kem that I purchased back when Planet Brey meteorites got specimens of Kem Kem and I have it on ebay and if you want to have a look at it with the Original COA that says Kem Kem and the information on the card, here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH I added in the description that since it's technically Unclassified and probably an H5. Thanks again for your help and your wonderful and thorough explanation. Brian Cox IMCA # 6387 Searchingforfun is my ebay User ID [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA > Jeff Grossman jgrossman at usgs.gov > Fri Aug 14 00:50:48 EDT 2009 > > a.. Previous message: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for > NWA > b.. Next message: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name > before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom > approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January > 2000. But to really understand the history, you need to go back a > few years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the > first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were > being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus a > series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem meteorites, > compounded by our inability to learn many details about those > meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. We > decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be applied as > a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not been > classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided and > sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to investigate > multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite provenance in the > region. Thus it was decided that all of these meteorites would be > named NWA, even those that had been classified. I'm not sure what > ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the whole thing. Since > I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there were no synonyms to > publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. > > jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cox" To: Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC" name for NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > Hi Jeff, > > Thank you very much for your explanation of Kem Kem and the NomCom > approving the NWA designation because of all the confusion and the > situation of all the meteorites coming out of the region. > > Thank you for mentioning that you and NomCom decided on "A Generic Term" > Northwest Africa, that could be applied as a "Tracking" label to all > stones. > > I really appreciate your explanation. > > All the best! > > Brian > IMCA # 6387 [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA > Jeff Grossman jgrossman at usgs.gov > Fri Aug 14 00:50:48 EDT 2009 > > a.. Previous message: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for > NWA > b.. Next message: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name > before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom > approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January > 2000. But to really understand the history, you need to go back a > few years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the > first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were > being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus a > series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem meteorites, > compounded by our inability to learn many details about those > meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. We > decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be applied as > a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not been > classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided and > sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to investigate > multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite provenance in the > region. Thus it was decided that all of these meteorites would be > named NWA, even those that had been classified. I'm not sure what > ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the whole thing. Since > I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there were no synonyms to > publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. > > jeff > From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr Fri Aug 14 06:09:47 2009 From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:09:47 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20090814003159.05819048@usgs.gov> References: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <93aaac890908092202u241fbae3i64c188acf6d61e57@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20090814003159.05819048@usgs.gov> Message-ID: <20090814120947.hnuc70z0cjpwo0s8@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr> Hi List, To bring a little more confusion to the "Kem-Kem issue", here is another story. It deals with a meteorite found in South Morocco in 1998 (31?7'N / 5?11'W), thus at a time the generic NWA designation did not exist. That one stone weighing 1088 g was found by Michel Franco and, after analysis, the remaining mass of 942.5 g of that L6 was offered for sale (if I remember well at the Ste Marie-aux-Mines mineral show in 1999, where I purchased it). Michel told me that although fully analyzed at Open University, it had not yet a name but that he proposed "Kem Kem".... I don't know whether it was the first time that such name was proposed but Michel was very confident it will be accepted by the Nom. Com. so, in the meantime, I catalogued it in my collection using "Kem-Mem" as provisional name. Months or even years later, Michel told me that it eventually received another "generic" name, thus "NWA 052" (the NWA nomenclature just appeared in the Bulletins). I then changed the name but added "Kem-Lem" as SYNONYM. If you go to the Met Bull database, you will see that they now mention "Kem-Kem" as ORIGIN or PSEUDONYM for NWA 052, which seemed logical. Now after the debate we had these days and the clearings brought by Jeff, it is obvious that for my NWA 052, "Kem-Kem" is the origin, not a synonym nor pseudo. (I note that the same mention "origin or pseudonym: "Kem-Kem" is mentioned for NWA 753 (R3.9) found years after and this might also probably be the case for some other NWA's (I didn't check), which is in line with the whole issue cleared by Jeff. I will (just personally) retain "Kem-Kem" as synonym of my NWA 052 for "historical purposes", supposing this was the first NWA oringinating from the vast Kem-Kem region (something I am far from being sure - I did not check). I wish to thank once again Jeff for his statements, that are of real importance. My best, Zelimir PS: if anybody is interested, I can provide a list giving all the synonyms of the meteorites sitting in my collection, should this be of some help or general interest for someone. Jeff Grossman a ??crit??: > The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom > approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January 2000. > But to really understand the history, you need to go back a few > years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the > first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were > being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus > a series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem > meteorites, compounded by our inability to learn many details about > those meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. > We decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be > applied as a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not > been classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided > and sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to > investigate multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite > provenance in the region. Thus it was decided that all of these > meteorites would be named NWA, even those that had been classified. > I'm not sure what ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the > whole thing. Since I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there > were no synonyms to publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. > > jeff > > > Jeff > > At 01:02 AM 8/10/2009, Jason Utas wrote: >> Dirk, Brian, All, >> This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, Casper >> sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name around >> that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number of >> similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the >> mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, where >> not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition). And >> while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, this, >> I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain. I >> never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some >> consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed. >> Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's >> NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper. I might only >> call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that applies >> to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites. Single name, >> unknown number of meteorites. I don't know if it quite fits the >> definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far off. >> Regards, >> Jason >> >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote: >>> >>> Dear Brian and List, >>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a >>> new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. >>> Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". >>> Casper`s catalogue lists: >>> 22.4g @ $44.80; >>> 26.9g@ $53.80 >>> 31.5g@ $63.00 >>> 33.5g@ $67.00 >>> 41.0g@ $82.00 >>> 46.8g@ $93.60 >>> 53.2g@ $106.40 >>> 58.6g@ $117.20 >>> 67.4g@ $134.80 >>> 70.0g@ $140.00 >>> 83.1g@ $166.20 >>> 114.9g@ $229.80 >>> 153.6g@ $307.20 >>> >>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece >>> photographed, which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term >>> for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. >>> >>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by >>> INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >>> >>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and >>> at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the >>> planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by >>> the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. >>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean >>> Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); >>> prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? >>> >>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a >>> mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the >>> day. Also missed the Great Habibi! >>> >>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine >>> beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >>> >>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir >>> met Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem >>> at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. >>> >>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >>> searchingforfun. >>> >>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: >>> >>>> From: Brian Cox >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name >>>> before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>>> >>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>>> just now in this auction. >>>> >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> IMCA # 6387 >>>> >>>> searchingforfun is my >>>> ebay User ID >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> >>> >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 > 954 National Center > Reston, VA 20192, USA > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From fujmon at mac.com Fri Aug 14 10:59:40 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:59:40 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite Message-ID: Aloha, I received preliminary analysis results from Drs Jeff Taylor and Gary Huss of the University of Hawaii HIGP, of a submitted NWA achondrite that I suspected could be a lodranite. Dr Taylor used the institute's uRaman spectrometer to obtain spectra of the iridescent mineral, and much to everyone's surprise, it turns out to be Augite, not orthopyroxene, and certainly not plagioclase. Taylor states the main phase appears to be olivine, which would make the specimen more likely to be a brachinite. The next step is analysis in a low-pressure SEM next week, to check phase compositions, verification of high Ca content in the augite, and Fe/Mg in the phases. Sample spectral data can be seen here: http://astroday.net/meteorites.html Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 11:03:24 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (star_wars_collector at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:03:24 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] GA meteorite event info Message-ID: <600372529-1250262203-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1632903892-@bxe1125.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hey, can anyone with info on the GA meteorite event sat send me an email off list with info, time, etc... I am on my way back from FL today (as I type) and may stay over for the event and check it out. Thanks, Greg C Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Fri Aug 14 11:11:40 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:11:40 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gary: That is really interesting. It has always amazed me how different some minerals appear (luster and crystal form) in space rocks. Not to mention minerals not even found in terrestrial rocks. That is one reason I enjoy this hobby so much. Congratulations on your specimen. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > From: fujmon at mac.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:59:40 -1000 > Subject: [meteorite-list] uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite > > Aloha, > > I received preliminary analysis results from Drs Jeff Taylor and Gary > Huss of the University of Hawaii HIGP, of a submitted NWA achondrite > that I suspected could be a lodranite. Dr Taylor used the institute's > uRaman spectrometer to obtain spectra of the iridescent mineral, and > much to everyone's surprise, it turns out to be Augite, not > orthopyroxene, and certainly not plagioclase. Taylor states the main > phase appears to be olivine, which would make the specimen more likely > to be a brachinite. The next step is analysis in a low-pressure SEM > next week, to check phase compositions, verification of high Ca > content in the augite, and Fe/Mg in the phases. > > Sample spectral data can be seen here: http://astroday.net/meteorites.html > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From stm at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 14 12:07:05 2009 From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:07:05 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] GA meteorite event info In-Reply-To: <600372529-1250262203-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1632903892-@bxe1125.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <600372529-1250262203-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1632903892-@bxe1125.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <89202AA885C74E3C927EAB808067600F@Platinum2> http://www.meteoriteassociationofgeorgia.org/Events.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] GA meteorite event info Hey, can anyone with info on the GA meteorite event sat send me an email off list with info, time, etc... I am on my way back from FL today (as I type) and may stay over for the event and check it out. Thanks, Greg C Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 12:08:25 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:08:25 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem References: Message-ID: <88463B7863A04585A1360C41237D37B8@user6e6e286533> Hello Zelmir, Thank you very much for adding more information and history to the discussion of Kem Kem, I appreciate your input. Thanks again and have a great day! Brian IMCA# 6387 searchingforfun is my ebay User Id ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:00 AM Subject: Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 71, Issue 32 > Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > meteorite-list-request at meteoritecentral.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > meteorite-list-owner at meteoritecentral.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA > (Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr) > 2. uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite (Gary Fujihara) > 3. GA meteorite event info (star_wars_collector at yahoo.com) > 4. Re: uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite (Greg Stanley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:09:47 +0200 > From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA > To: Jeff Grossman > Cc: Meteorite-list > Message-ID: <20090814120947.hnuc70z0cjpwo0s8 at w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; > format="flowed" > > Hi List, > > To bring a little more confusion to the "Kem-Kem issue", here is > another story. > > It deals with a meteorite found in South Morocco in 1998 (31?7'N / > 5?11'W), thus at a time the generic NWA designation did not exist. > > That one stone weighing 1088 g was found by Michel Franco and, after > analysis, the remaining mass of 942.5 g of that L6 was offered for > sale (if I remember well at the Ste Marie-aux-Mines mineral show in > 1999, where I purchased it). > > Michel told me that although fully analyzed at Open University, it had > not yet a name but that he proposed "Kem Kem".... > > I don't know whether it was the first time that such name was proposed > but Michel was very confident it will be accepted by the Nom. Com. so, > in the meantime, I catalogued it in my collection using "Kem-Mem" as > provisional name. > > Months or even years later, Michel told me that it eventually received > another "generic" name, thus "NWA 052" (the NWA nomenclature just > appeared in the Bulletins). > I then changed the name but added "Kem-Lem" as SYNONYM. > > If you go to the Met Bull database, you will see that they now mention > "Kem-Kem" as ORIGIN or PSEUDONYM for NWA 052, which seemed logical. > > Now after the debate we had these days and the clearings brought by > Jeff, it is obvious that for my NWA 052, "Kem-Kem" is the origin, not > a synonym nor pseudo. > > (I note that the same mention "origin or pseudonym: "Kem-Kem" is > mentioned for NWA 753 (R3.9) found years after and this might also > probably be the case for some other NWA's (I didn't check), which is > in line with the whole issue cleared by Jeff. > > I will (just personally) retain "Kem-Kem" as synonym of my NWA 052 for > "historical purposes", supposing this was the first NWA oringinating > from the vast Kem-Kem region (something I am far from being sure - I > did not check). > > I wish to thank once again Jeff for his statements, that are of real > importance. > > My best, > > Zelimir > > PS: if anybody is interested, I can provide a list giving all the > synonyms of the meteorites sitting in my collection, should this be of > some help or general interest for someone. > > > > Jeff Grossman a ??crit??: > >> The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom >> approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January 2000. >> But to really understand the history, you need to go back a few >> years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the >> first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were >> being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus >> a series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem >> meteorites, compounded by our inability to learn many details about >> those meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. >> We decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be >> applied as a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not >> been classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided >> and sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to >> investigate multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite >> provenance in the region. Thus it was decided that all of these >> meteorites would be named NWA, even those that had been classified. >> I'm not sure what ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the >> whole thing. Since I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there >> were no synonyms to publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. >> >> jeff >> >> >> Jeff >> >> At 01:02 AM 8/10/2009, Jason Utas wrote: >>> Dirk, Brian, All, >>> This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, Casper >>> sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name around >>> that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number of >>> similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the >>> mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, where >>> not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition). And >>> while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, this, >>> I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain. I >>> never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some >>> consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed. >>> Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's >>> NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper. I might only >>> call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that applies >>> to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites. Single name, >>> unknown number of meteorites. I don't know if it quite fits the >>> definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far off. >>> Regards, >>> Jason >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Brian and List, >>>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >>>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a >>>> new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. >>>> Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". >>>> Casper`s catalogue lists: >>>> 22.4g @ $44.80; >>>> 26.9g@ $53.80 >>>> 31.5g@ $63.00 >>>> 33.5g@ $67.00 >>>> 41.0g@ $82.00 >>>> 46.8g@ $93.60 >>>> 53.2g@ $106.40 >>>> 58.6g@ $117.20 >>>> 67.4g@ $134.80 >>>> 70.0g@ $140.00 >>>> 83.1g@ $166.20 >>>> 114.9g@ $229.80 >>>> 153.6g@ $307.20 >>>> >>>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece >>>> photographed, which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term >>>> for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. >>>> >>>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by >>>> INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >>>> >>>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and >>>> at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the >>>> planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by >>>> the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. >>>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean >>>> Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); >>>> prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? >>>> >>>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a >>>> mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the >>>> day. Also missed the Great Habibi! >>>> >>>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine >>>> beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >>>> >>>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir >>>> met Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem >>>> at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. >>>> >>>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >>>> searchingforfun. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: >>>> >>>>> From: Brian Cox >>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name >>>>> before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>>>> >>>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>>>> just now in this auction. >>>>> >>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>>>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> IMCA # 6387 >>>>> >>>>> searchingforfun is my >>>>> ebay User ID >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> >>>> >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 >> US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 >> 954 National Center >> Reston, VA 20192, USA >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:59:40 -1000 > From: Gary Fujihara > Subject: [meteorite-list] uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite > To: MeteorList > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Aloha, > > I received preliminary analysis results from Drs Jeff Taylor and Gary > Huss of the University of Hawaii HIGP, of a submitted NWA achondrite > that I suspected could be a lodranite. Dr Taylor used the institute's > uRaman spectrometer to obtain spectra of the iridescent mineral, and > much to everyone's surprise, it turns out to be Augite, not > orthopyroxene, and certainly not plagioclase. Taylor states the main > phase appears to be olivine, which would make the specimen more likely > to be a brachinite. The next step is analysis in a low-pressure SEM > next week, to check phase compositions, verification of high Ca > content in the augite, and Fe/Mg in the phases. > > Sample spectral data can be seen here: http://astroday.net/meteorites.html > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:03:24 +0000 > From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] GA meteorite event info > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Message-ID: > <600372529-1250262203-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1632903892- at bxe1125.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Hey, can anyone with info on the GA meteorite event sat send me an email > off list with info, time, etc... > I am on my way back from FL today (as I type) and may stay over for the > event and check it out. > Thanks, > Greg C > > Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:11:40 -0700 > From: Greg Stanley > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite > To: , > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Gary: > > That is really interesting. It has always amazed me how different some > minerals appear (luster and crystal form) in space rocks. Not to mention > minerals not even found in terrestrial rocks. That is one reason I enjoy > this hobby so much. > > Congratulations on your specimen. > > Greg S. > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: fujmon at mac.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:59:40 -1000 >> Subject: [meteorite-list] uRaman data on submitted NWA achondrite >> >> Aloha, >> >> I received preliminary analysis results from Drs Jeff Taylor and Gary >> Huss of the University of Hawaii HIGP, of a submitted NWA achondrite >> that I suspected could be a lodranite. Dr Taylor used the institute's >> uRaman spectrometer to obtain spectra of the iridescent mineral, and >> much to everyone's surprise, it turns out to be Augite, not >> orthopyroxene, and certainly not plagioclase. Taylor states the main >> phase appears to be olivine, which would make the specimen more likely >> to be a brachinite. The next step is analysis in a low-pressure SEM >> next week, to check phase compositions, verification of high Ca >> content in the augite, and Fe/Mg in the phases. >> >> Sample spectral data can be seen here: >> http://astroday.net/meteorites.html >> >> Gary Fujihara >> AstroDay Institute >> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >> http://astroday.net >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > End of Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 71, Issue 32 > ********************************************** From fujmon at mac.com Fri Aug 14 12:18:28 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:18:28 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay auctions ending Saturday Message-ID: Aloha, I have an auction ending Saturday of some oriented NWA 869, Bassikounou, Campo del Cielo, Norton County, uNWA pallasite, and Oum Dreyga, and other items that may be of interest to you. Some items are still at 99? Cherry NWA 869 23.18g complete individual http://cgi.ebay.com/CHERRY-NWA-869-L4-6-Meteorite-23-18g-Thumbprinted-beaut_W0QQitemZ230365428714QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d97bea&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_924 Oriented NWA 869 85.83g complete individual http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Oriented-NWA-869-L4-6-Meteorite-85-83g-AWESOME_W0QQitemZ230365432352QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d98a20&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_924 Bassikounou 106g Fresh complete individual http://cgi.ebay.com/Bassikounou-H5-Fresh-106g-AWESOME-meteorite-95-FC_W0QQitemZ230365429511QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d97f07&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_924 Etched Campo del Cielo 192g slice http://cgi.ebay.com/Campo-del-Cielo-IAB-192g-etched-meteorite-slice-AWESOME_W0QQitemZ230365430212QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d981c4&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 Norton County 0.6g Primo crusted fragments http://cgi.ebay.com/Campo-del-Cielo-IAB-192g-etched-meteorite-slice-AWESOME_W0QQitemZ230365430212QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d981c4&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 uNWA Pallasite 1.77g Olivine encrusted fragment http://cgi.ebay.com/uNWA-Pallasite-meteorite-1-77g-olivine-encrusted-fragme_W0QQitemZ230365431259QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d985db&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_924 Oum Dreyga 18g 99% FC Almost perfect individual http://cgi.ebay.com/Oum-Dreyga-H5-Meteorite-18g-99-Fusion-Crusted-BEAUTY_W0QQitemZ230365432847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a2d98c0f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14#ht_500wt_924 See all the items up for auction here: http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From cynapse at charter.net Fri Aug 14 13:38:14 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:38:14 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kids find a meteor! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1351790?UserKey= From anitawestlake at att.net Fri Aug 14 12:46:30 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Kids find a meteor! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <104384.36744.qm@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Don't know from the picture if it's a real meteorite, but Jack is certainly star material! Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: Darren Garrison To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:38:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Kids find a meteor! http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1351790?UserKey= ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From tinbider at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 14 12:50:11 2009 From: tinbider at yahoo.co.uk (Aubrey Whymark) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:50:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell huge Philippinite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <717773.39377.qm@web28506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi List On the same link I posted earlier regarding the tektite lamp: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JHsNghP_3Rcb0QbP9zHr_w?authkey=Gv1sRgCM6XzLrq76-GKQ&feat=directlink does anyone know what happened to the huge Beyer Philippinite weighing 1,065g (1,069g on Beyer's scales)? It'd be good to know where this one ended up. Large tektites are still coming out of Bikol but are very rare. In the last couple of years (to my knowledge) there have been a few over 700g, maybe 1 over 800g and none above this. Des and I frequently get reports of 1 kilo tektites but they always turn out to weigh much less. There may be a few more that are in the hands of other western/asian foreigners but again the weight is usually much exaggerated by the sellers who cannot afford scales. The largest original tektite spheres always fragment (like the other two irregular specimens shown). Presumably they are thermodynamically unstable above 1 kilo. Regards, Aubrey www.tektites.co.uk From mark at meteorites.cc Fri Aug 14 12:45:38 2009 From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:45:38 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kids find a meteor! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8594B2.8000600@meteorites.cc> "UFO Crash Lands"? Dear dear... ;-) Darren Garrison wrote: > http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1351790?UserKey= > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 795 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 14 15:01:05 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:01:05 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem Message-ID: So far there are NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755 with the pseudonym of Kem Kem. Anymore? should be at least one more with a H5(?) classification (Brian Cox/PlanetBrey),but probably many more. Interesting topic. Carl _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM From fujmon at mac.com Fri Aug 14 15:14:13 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:14:13 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA In-Reply-To: <20090814120947.hnuc70z0cjpwo0s8@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr> References: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <93aaac890908092202u241fbae3i64c188acf6d61e57@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20090814003159.05819048@usgs.gov> <20090814120947.hnuc70z0cjpwo0s8@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr> Message-ID: <66540CB5-CD58-4E1D-9FFC-86054150E6A2@mac.com> Aloha Jeff and Zelimir, Mahalo for the history lesson on Kem Kem. It was both informative and interesting, and provides insight into meteorite hunting in pre-NWA days. gary On Aug 14, 2009, at 12:09 AM, Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr wrote: > Hi List, > > To bring a little more confusion to the "Kem-Kem issue", here is > another story. > > It deals with a meteorite found in South Morocco in 1998 (31?7'N / > 5?11'W), thus at a time the generic NWA designation did not exist. > > That one stone weighing 1088 g was found by Michel Franco and, after > analysis, the remaining mass of 942.5 g of that L6 was offered for > sale (if I remember well at the Ste Marie-aux-Mines mineral show in > 1999, where I purchased it). > > Michel told me that although fully analyzed at Open University, it > had not yet a name but that he proposed "Kem Kem".... > > I don't know whether it was the first time that such name was > proposed but Michel was very confident it will be accepted by the > Nom. Com. so, in the meantime, I catalogued it in my collection > using "Kem-Mem" as provisional name. > > Months or even years later, Michel told me that it eventually > received another "generic" name, thus "NWA 052" (the NWA > nomenclature just appeared in the Bulletins). > I then changed the name but added "Kem-Lem" as SYNONYM. > > If you go to the Met Bull database, you will see that they now > mention "Kem-Kem" as ORIGIN or PSEUDONYM for NWA 052, which seemed > logical. > > Now after the debate we had these days and the clearings brought by > Jeff, it is obvious that for my NWA 052, "Kem-Kem" is the origin, > not a synonym nor pseudo. > > (I note that the same mention "origin or pseudonym: "Kem-Kem" is > mentioned for NWA 753 (R3.9) found years after and this might also > probably be the case for some other NWA's (I didn't check), which is > in line with the whole issue cleared by Jeff. > > I will (just personally) retain "Kem-Kem" as synonym of my NWA 052 > for "historical purposes", supposing this was the first NWA > oringinating from the vast Kem-Kem region (something I am far from > being sure - I did not check). > > I wish to thank once again Jeff for his statements, that are of real > importance. > > My best, > > Zelimir > > PS: if anybody is interested, I can provide a list giving all the > synonyms of the meteorites sitting in my collection, should this be > of some help or general interest for someone. > > > > Jeff Grossman a ??crit? : > >> The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom >> approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January >> 2000. But to really understand the history, you need to go back a >> few years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was >> the first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites >> were being transported and sold in this region. With this history, >> plus a series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem >> meteorites, compounded by our inability to learn many details about >> those meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some >> kind. We decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could >> be applied as a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had >> not been classified, so that individual meteorites would not be >> divided and sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to >> investigate multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite >> provenance in the region. Thus it was decided that all of these >> meteorites would be named NWA, even those that had been >> classified. I'm not sure what ever happened to the Kem Kems that >> triggered the whole thing. Since I don't think Casper ever >> numbered them, there were no synonyms to publish, assuming they >> eventually became NWAs. >> >> jeff >> >> >> Jeff >> >> At 01:02 AM 8/10/2009, Jason Utas wrote: >>> Dirk, Brian, All, >>> This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, >>> Casper >>> sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name >>> around >>> that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number >>> of >>> similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the >>> mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, >>> where >>> not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition). >>> And >>> while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, >>> this, >>> I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain. I >>> never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some >>> consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed. >>> Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's >>> NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper. I might only >>> call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that >>> applies >>> to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites. Single name, >>> unknown number of meteorites. I don't know if it quite fits the >>> definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far >>> off. >>> Regards, >>> Jason >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Brian and List, >>>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >>>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a >>>> new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. >>>> Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". >>>> Casper`s catalogue lists: >>>> 22.4g @ $44.80; >>>> 26.9g@ $53.80 >>>> 31.5g@ $63.00 >>>> 33.5g@ $67.00 >>>> 41.0g@ $82.00 >>>> 46.8g@ $93.60 >>>> 53.2g@ $106.40 >>>> 58.6g@ $117.20 >>>> 67.4g@ $134.80 >>>> 70.0g@ $140.00 >>>> 83.1g@ $166.20 >>>> 114.9g@ $229.80 >>>> 153.6g@ $307.20 >>>> >>>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece >>>> photographed, which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all >>>> term for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as >>>> you wrote. >>>> >>>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by >>>> INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >>>> >>>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and >>>> at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the >>>> planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by >>>> the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. >>>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was >>>> Dean Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for >>>> shade); prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? >>>> >>>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a >>>> mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the >>>> day. Also missed the Great Habibi! >>>> >>>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine >>>> beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >>>> >>>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir >>>> met Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem- >>>> Kem at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows >>>> fall. >>>> >>>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >>>> searchingforfun. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> From: Brian Cox >>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name >>>>> before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>>>> >>>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>>>> just now in this auction. >>>>> >>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>>>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> IMCA # 6387 >>>>> >>>>> searchingforfun is my >>>>> ebay User ID >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> >>>> >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 >> US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 >> 954 National Center >> Reston, VA 20192, USA >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Fri Aug 14 15:32:45 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:32:45 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Some Creative Destruction on a Cosmic Scale Message-ID: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125020578491030557.html?mod=googlenews_wsj Greg S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM From gmhupe at htn.net Fri Aug 14 15:41:55 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:41:55 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem References: Message-ID: Hello Carl and All, I think the real question here should be if all of the classified "NWA/KemKem" meteorites you mentioned (NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755) are even paired. I do not think any scientist would currently check these out personally and compare them, just being a chondrite and all. I think it was a good thing the NomComm realized quickly and early-on (late 90's) that things would get way out of hand without a "generic" Northwest Africa (NWA) designation to achieve some sort of order with the flood of different meteorites that were coming out of Northwest Africa (Morocco), and have since. Generic designations, of course, have been applied to Oman finds and other regions of the world. Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl 's" To: Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem > > > > So far there are NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755 with the pseudonym of Kem Kem. > Anymore? should be at least one more with a H5(?) classification (Brian > Cox/PlanetBrey),but probably many more. Interesting topic. > > Carl > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! > http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 17:09:57 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:09:57 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Re; Kem Kem Message-ID: <78699FBCE34D4ADD8E36B736CBE86DCA@user6e6e286533> Hi Gary, Thanks for giving us more information on Kem Kem and NWAs. It's always good to hear from so many bright people that have knowledge to share so myself and others can learn more. Your photomicrographs of your NWA are beautiful. I'm anxious to hear more about it and that would be great to have a lodranite. Have a great day and clear star filled night! Brian From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 14 17:13:48 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:13:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kids find a meteor! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Luckily, no kids were injured by ricocheting rocks this time! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/5511619/14-year-old-hit-by-30000-mph-space-meteorite.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/5511619/14-year-old-hit-by-30000-mph-space-meteorite.html I suspect we will see an increase of kids looking for their fifteen minutes of fame like this. Cheers, Pete ---------------------------------------- > From: cynapse at charter.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:38:14 -0500 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Kids find a meteor! > > http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1351790?UserKey= > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 From jnbran at verizon.net Fri Aug 14 17:20:01 2009 From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:20:01 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Collection Sale Message-ID: <009d01ca1d24$fc747840$4001a8c0@yourlk4rlmsu41> Collection Sale Hello List, I have been aggressively collecting meteorites for the past 12 years and have decided to sell off some of my collection specimens that are in many regards one of a kind pieces and are of high quality. The provenance on all most all specimens can be traced back to the finder/institution and all are superior in their own right. All prices are below retail and many below wholesale, which is unheard of for their quality. Thank you for looking and please email me with any question. Thanks and Take Care, Jason Phillips Rocks from Heaven www.rocksfromheaven.com 217-832-4505 Esquel, Argentina Classification: Pallasite Weight: 21 grams This is a thin longer slice with translucent crystals. Price: $500 Plainview, Texas Classification: H5 Weight: 230 gram full slice with Monnig #'s M5.7 painted on Find 1917 Price: $600 Richfield, Kansas Classification: LL3.7 Weight: 104 grams Awesome looking full slice with great interior clasts. Price: $400 Oriented unclassified individuals, Morocco Several small individuals showing flow lines, lipping, and trailing Weight: 888 grams comprised in 27 individuals. Price: All for $1.50/gram Oriented individual, Morocco Weight: 377 grams Nice looking specimen with good crust and a couple of thumb prints. Price: $350 Dhofar 005, Oman Classification: L6 Weight: 278 grams Awesome complete stone. Price: $125 Kainsaz, Russia Classification: CO3.1 Weight: 28.89 grams Awesome full slice with complete crust and is 2 mm thick. Price: $350 NWA 2924, Morocco Classification: Mesosiderite Weight: 33 grams Cool looking piece with blobs of metal. Price: $125 Faucett, MO Classification: H5 Weight: 124 grams Full slice from the collection of Bob Haag Price: $300 NWA 1930, Morocco Classification: LL3 Weight: 32 grams Sells for $10/gram normally. Price: $65 Thuathe, Lesotho (Witnessed fall) Classification: H4 Weight: 177 grams Stone #1039 in the recorded material from this fall. Paperwork with all the data of this stone. Price: $550 NWA unclassified slice, Morocco Weight: 247.7 grams Very large slice with great interior features. Price: $125 Jilin, China (Witnessed fall) Classification: H5 Weight: 218 grams Awesome fusion crusted piece and very fresh. Price: $1000 NWA 1936, Morocco Classification: H4 Weight: 85.5 grams The nicest H4 I have ever seen with great multi-colored chondrules Price: $300 Chinga, Russia Classification: Ataxite Weight: 349 grams A complete slice polished to a mirror, just wonderful. Price: $425 Markovka, Russia Classification: H4 Weight: 124.7 grams A complete slice with great polish. Price: $400 NWA 267, Morocco Classification: H3 Weight: 636 grams This is from Dean Bessey first large meteorite offering. Price: $225 Woodbine, Illinois Classification: Silicated Iron Weight: 5.23 grams Really neat part slice. Price: $275 St. Augustine, Illinois Classification: Iron Weight: 3.75 grams Rarely seen meteorite endcut with crust. Price: $250 Al Haggounia 001, Morocco Classification: EL3 (aubrite?) Weight: 9090 grams, excellent endcut showing dual interior features (blue and brown) Purchased directly from finder who submitted classification. Price: $1200 NWA 5793, Morocco Classification: LL3.8 Weight: 21 grams This endcut shows dual lithologies Price: $110 NWA 1929, Morocco Classification: Howardite Weight: 118 gram endcut (true main mass) Price: $750 Gujba, Africa (Witnessed fall) Clasification: Bencubbinite Weight: 21 grams, a beautiful larger thin slice Price: $600 Dhofar 1289 Classification: L4 with multi-colored chondrites Weight: 472 gram endcut Price: $200 El Hammami Mountains, Africa (Witnessed fall) Classification: H5 Weight: 1676 grams Shows some evidence of camel sweat from being carried out of the desert, pretty cool huh. Price: $1200 Dhofar 020, Oman Classification: H4/5 Weight: 88 grams, beautiful black stone Price: $50 Nuevo Mercurio, Mexico (Witnessed fall 1978) Classification: H4 Weight: 131 grams, beautiful complete stone Price: $1000 Northbranch, Kansas Classification: H5 Weight: 99.9 grams >From the Jim Westcott Collection with numbers painted on (50010) Price: $150 Tolar, New Mexico Classification: H4 Weight: 116 grams, full slice Price: $250 Davy A, Texas Classification: L4 Weight: 183.5 grams Find: 1940 Price: $350 Wanapite impact breccia Beautiful large slice and it's sister slice is at ASU meteorite lab. Weight: 1145 grams Price: $250 Sudbury black onaping breccia Complete slice that is 15 inches long and extremely beautiful. Weight: 1018 grams Price: $250 Azura Impactite Weight: 444 grams Price: $50 Oriented unclassified chondrite, Morocco Weight: 2552 Excellent specimen of orientation and can be seen on the collection page of my website. Price: $1500 NWA 4300, Morocco Classification: H5, S2, W2 Weight: 4132 grams Oriented specimen with flow lines that go up to 9mm in depth. Price: $1500 Unclassified chondrites Weights: Up to 10.5 kgs All of these were cherry picked over the years of shipments from Morocco, many with flow lines and thumb printing and dark crust. Price: $0.10-0.25/gram From jnbran at verizon.net Fri Aug 14 16:32:23 2009 From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:32:23 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Collection sale References: <63204.31075.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <93aaac890908092202u241fbae3i64c188acf6d61e57@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20090814003159.05819048@usgs.gov> Message-ID: <008301ca1d1e$54869150$4001a8c0@yourlk4rlmsu41> Collection Sale Hello List, I have been aggressively collecting meteorites for the past 12 years and have decided to sell off some of my collection specimens that are in many regards one of a kind pieces and are of high quality. The provenance on all most all specimens can be traced back to the finder/institution and all are superior in their own right. All prices are below retail and many below wholesale, which is unheard of for their quality. Thank you for looking and please email me with any question. Thanks and Take Care, Jason Phillips Rocks from Heaven www.rocksfromheaven.com 217-832-4505 Esquel, Argentina Classification: Pallasite Weight: 21 grams This is a thin longer slice with translucent crystals. Price: $500 Plainview, Texas Classification: H5 Weight: 230 gram full slice with Monnig #'s M5.7 painted on Find 1917 Price: $600 Richfield, Kansas Classification: LL3.7 Weight: 104 grams Awesome looking full slice with great interior clasts. Price: $400 Oriented unclassified individuals, Morocco Several small individuals showing flow lines, lipping, and trailing Weight: 888 grams comprised in 27 individuals. Price: All for $1.50/gram Oriented individual, Morocco Weight: 377 grams Nice looking specimen with good crust and a couple of thumb prints. Price: $350 Dhofar 005, Oman Classification: L6 Weight: 278 grams Awesome complete stone. Price: $125 Kainsaz, Russia Classification: CO3.1 Weight: 28.89 grams Awesome full slice with complete crust and is 2 mm thick. Price: $350 NWA 2924, Morocco Classification: Mesosiderite Weight: 33 grams Cool looking piece with blobs of metal. Price: $125 Faucett, MO Classification: H5 Weight: 124 grams Full slice from the collection of Bob Haag Price: $300 NWA 1930, Morocco Classification: LL3 Weight: 32 grams Sells for $10/gram normally. Price: $65 Thuathe, Lesotho (Witnessed fall) Classification: H4 Weight: 177 grams Stone #1039 in the recorded material from this fall. Paperwork with all the data of this stone. Price: $550 NWA unclassified slice, Morocco Weight: 247.7 grams Very large slice with great interior features. Price: $125 Jilin, China (Witnessed fall) Classification: H5 Weight: 218 grams Awesome fusion crusted piece and very fresh. Price: $1000 NWA 1936, Morocco Classification: H4 Weight: 85.5 grams The nicest H4 I have ever seen with great multi-colored chondrules Price: $300 Chinga, Russia Classification: Ataxite Weight: 349 grams A complete slice polished to a mirror, just wonderful. Price: $425 Markovka, Russia Classification: H4 Weight: 124.7 grams A complete slice with great polish. Price: $400 NWA 267, Morocco Classification: H3 Weight: 636 grams This is from Dean Bessey first large meteorite offering. Price: $225 Woodbine, Illinois Classification: Silicated Iron Weight: 5.23 grams Really neat part slice. Price: $275 St. Augustine, Illinois Classification: Iron Weight: 3.75 grams Rarely seen meteorite endcut with crust. Price: $250 Al Haggounia 001, Morocco Classification: EL3 (aubrite?) Weight: 9090 grams, excellent endcut showing dual interior features (blue and brown) Purchased directly from finder who submitted classification. Price: $1200 NWA 5793, Morocco Classification: LL3.8 Weight: 21 grams This endcut shows dual lithologies Price: $110 NWA 1929, Morocco Classification: Howardite Weight: 118 gram endcut (true main mass) Price: $750 Gujba, Africa (Witnessed fall) Clasification: Bencubbinite Weight: 21 grams, a beautiful larger thin slice Price: $600 Dhofar 1289 Classification: L4 with multi-colored chondrites Weight: 472 gram endcut Price: $200 El Hammami Mountains, Africa (Witnessed fall) Classification: H5 Weight: 1676 grams Shows some evidence of camel sweat from being carried out of the desert, pretty cool huh. Price: $1200 Dhofar 020, Oman Classification: H4/5 Weight: 88 grams, beautiful black stone Price: $50 Nuevo Mercurio, Mexico (Witnessed fall 1978) Classification: H4 Weight: 131 grams, beautiful complete stone Price: $1000 Northbranch, Kansas Classification: H5 Weight: 99.9 grams >From the Jim Westcott Collection with numbers painted on (50010) Price: $150 Tolar, New Mexico Classification: H4 Weight: 116 grams, full slice Price: $250 Davy A, Texas Classification: L4 Weight: 183.5 grams Find: 1940 Price: $350 Wanapite impact breccia Beautiful large slice and it's sister slice is at ASU meteorite lab. Weight: 1145 grams Price: $250 Sudbury black onaping breccia Complete slice that is 15 inches long and extremely beautiful. Weight: 1018 grams Price: $250 Azura Impactite Weight: 444 grams Price: $50 Oriented unclassified chondrite, Morocco Weight: 2552 Excellent specimen of orientation and can be seen on the collection page of my website. Price: $1500 NWA 4300, Morocco Classification: H5, S2, W2 Weight: 4132 grams Oriented specimen with flow lines that go up to 9mm in depth. Price: $1500 Unclassified chondrites Weights: Up to 10.5 kgs All of these were cherry picked over the years of shipments from Morocco, many with flow lines and thumb printing and dark crust. Price: $0.10-0.25/gram From larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net Fri Aug 14 18:14:24 2009 From: larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net (Larry & Twink Monrad) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:14:24 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell huge Philippinite References: <717773.39377.qm@web28506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03694638955E4AEB939362D7DDED1762@DFZN8X81> I bid on a huge Futrell layered tektite at the Michael Blood auction several years ago at the Tucson Show, just weighed it and mine is 684. I was hoping it might have been one of the large ones you referenced. Twink Monrad From mexicodoug at aim.com Fri Aug 14 18:13:17 2009 From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:13:17 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Stovepiping In-Reply-To: <64602e8ead5f46e9851f671049223210@ucv1.vhostdns.com> References: <64602e8ead5f46e9851f671049223210@ucv1.vhostdns.com> Message-ID: <8CBEB438DC625F0-948-14D1@WEBMAIL-MY10.sysops.aol.com> McCartney wrote: "I use stovepiping to describe the feature on the leeside of a oriented meteorite." Stovepiping is a colorful term, even with political connotations. For oriented, icicled or "spiculigenous meteorites", do the terms "spiculiform" (adj.) and spicules (n.) have precedence? If they are really thin, hairlike projections, would cilium (pl. cilia, adj. ciliated) work? Best wishes from lee side, Doug http://www.diecasts.biz/images/M/400/057195.jpg ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From twelker at alaska.net Fri Aug 14 17:35:04 2009 From: twelker at alaska.net (Eric Twelker) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:35:04 -0800 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem References: <199909141541.LAA20568@emerald.lightlink.com> Message-ID: <3EE78AA9-5878-4341-8E5C-1D01885FA44D@alaska.net> FWIW Eric Twelker Begin forwarded message: > Resent-From: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > From: "Michael Casper" > Date: September 14, 1999 7:37:25 AM GMT-08:00 > To: > Subject: * SALE * KEN KEN, DAHARA, MOROCCO * SALE > Reply-To: > > LIVE FROM DENVER! > > We just secured a load (75KG) of a new find! > > Ken Ken, Dahara, Morocco > Found August 1999 > 4 different meteorites found within 10km > > This is a brand new find and is 4 different types. Looks like > H 5 and L 6 or maybe BETTER! This load was foun over several > weeks of searching by aproximately 500 folks of "the berber tribe".j > > Here is the deal! I will sell no less than 2.5 KG @ $.40 per gram. > That is $1000.00 MINIMUM ORDER. I will ship overnight if payment > is MC/VISA. > > Included in each shipment will be some of each of 4 different > meteorites. > > Michael > > > Casper Meteorites, Inc. > P. O. Drawer J > Ithaca, New York 14851 > USA > 607-257-5349 (phone) > 607-266-7904 (fax) > email: casper at meteorites.com > > > ---------- > Archives located at: > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/list_best.html > > For help, FAQ's and sub. info. visit: > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing_list.html > ---------- > From mlblood at cox.net Fri Aug 14 18:44:19 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:44:19 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] HELP In-Reply-To: <009d01ca1d24$fc747840$4001a8c0@yourlk4rlmsu41> Message-ID: Hi All, Does ANYONE have a good JPG (the bigger the better) Of the oriented Brenham at the Tucson show a couple years Ago???? My book is about to be put together and I cannot get anyone (including Steve Arnold or Geoff Notkin!) PLEASE, if anyone has a good photo of this spectacular Specimen in its stand at the Tucson Show, please let me use It for my book and I will give you photo credit (of course). RSVP off list, please. Thanks, Michael From mikewren at gilanet.com Fri Aug 14 19:11:11 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:11:11 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: RARE - WABAR specimens added to Store! On Sale Too ! Message-ID: Hello, I forgot to add my Wabar slices on my last post. Type in WABAR in my store search box. http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history Also, once again, here is the link to all my auctions for the week. http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ Thanks for putting up with 2 posts this week! Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From mlblood at cox.net Fri Aug 14 19:15:53 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:15:53 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] HELP Given In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks all, Dolores Hill was so kind as to send me an excellent Example of the Photo I needed. Thanks, Dolores! None others needed -thanks all. Best wishes, Michael On 8/14/09 3:44 PM, "Michael Blood" wrote: > Hi All, > Does ANYONE have a good JPG (the bigger the better) > Of the oriented Brenham at the Tucson show a couple years > Ago???? > My book is about to be put together and I cannot get anyone > (including Steve Arnold or Geoff Notkin!) > PLEASE, if anyone has a good photo of this spectacular > Specimen in its stand at the Tucson Show, please let me use > It for my book and I will give you photo credit (of course). > RSVP off list, please. > Thanks, Michael > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From eric at meteoritesusa.com Fri Aug 14 20:18:28 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:18:28 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Meteorite Hunting Equipment & Meteorites Plus Web Stuff Message-ID: <4A85FED4.3060906@meteoritesusa.com> Hi list, This is a 24 hour sale. No offers will be accepted after the 24hr period. This is a ONE TIME deal. I will not offer it again. If you miss it by 1 hour then you miss it. No mulligans! Payment via Paypal immediately. First come first served! No holds. I've decided to sell my Fisher Gold Bug detector and the two coils I have with it. I have a 10" and a 14" coil. This is an original Gold Bug in good condition. Shows some wear, but it works great! I bought this detector about 18 months ago, and have used it numerous times. Those of you who know Fisher detectors know this is a good detector. $300 for the Fisher Gold Bug with 10" coil $100 firm for the 14" coil (with coil cover) or $350 for both! (plus shipping) --------------------------------------------- In addition we've listed lots of meteorites and minerals on our Ebay store and up for auction this weekend. Check them out. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/freel3orn All payments must be made within 24hrs of auction end or we will relist the item. NO EXCEPTIONS WILL BE MADE! --------------------------------------------- Need a website? As a side note, some friends of mine in the meteorite community have suggested I offer my web design services to any of you guys and gals on list who own or operate your own website, or who need a website. I'm a web designer by trade, and online marketer with 15+ years web design and internet marketing experience. I can provide you with a number of services on the cheap. I specialize in search engine optimization and niche marketing. No matter what you sell, or what services you offer online I can help you sell more of it. Contact me off list for any info. I can have your site up and running in a matter of hours, sometimes even quicker depending on your needs. Services: Web Design Web Hosting Logos & Graphics Product Photography Search Engine Optimization: Google, Bing, Yahoo, MSN Niche Marketing Brand Development Advertising Campaign Management In short, I'll help you sell more of whatever it is you sell... I'll help you get listed in the search engines and achieve higher rankings. (just look at ANY of my meteorite sites! I have more TOP 10 rankings in ALL the search engines than you can shake a stick at.) I can get you there too. --------------------------------------------- I'm serious about the websites. If you need one, I'll build you one, my rates are very reasonable, and the sites I build ROCK! Contact me offlist for info on how to get started. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA 904-236-5394 From jkg2 at cox.net Fri Aug 14 20:23:02 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:23:02 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem In-Reply-To: <3EE78AA9-5878-4341-8E5C-1D01885FA44D@alaska.net> References: <199909141541.LAA20568@emerald.lightlink.com> <3EE78AA9-5878-4341-8E5C-1D01885FA44D@alaska.net> Message-ID: <20090815002314.FFOD11920.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Thanks to Eric for saving 10 year old e-correspondence! It's pretty obvious to me that this is a prime example of how the "mix-up" of the African desert material got started. Just my opinion though. John Gwilliam At 02:35 PM 8/14/2009, Eric Twelker wrote: >FWIW >Eric Twelker > >Begin forwarded message: > >>Resent-From: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>From: "Michael Casper" >>Date: September 14, 1999 7:37:25 AM GMT-08:00 >>To: >>Subject: * SALE * KEN KEN, DAHARA, MOROCCO * SALE >>Reply-To: >> >>LIVE FROM DENVER! >> >>We just secured a load (75KG) of a new find! >> >>Ken Ken, Dahara, Morocco >>Found August 1999 >>4 different meteorites found within 10km >> >>This is a brand new find and is 4 different types. Looks like >>H 5 and L 6 or maybe BETTER! This load was foun over several >>weeks of searching by aproximately 500 folks of "the berber tribe".j >> >>Here is the deal! I will sell no less than 2.5 KG @ $.40 per gram. >>That is $1000.00 MINIMUM ORDER. I will ship overnight if payment >>is MC/VISA. >> >>Included in each shipment will be some of each of 4 different >>meteorites. >> >>Michael >> >> >>Casper Meteorites, Inc. >>P. O. Drawer J >>Ithaca, New York 14851 >>USA >>607-257-5349 (phone) >>607-266-7904 (fax) >>email: casper at meteorites.com >> >> >>---------- >>Archives located at: >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/list_best.html >> >>For help, FAQ's and sub. info. visit: >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing_list.html >>---------- > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 14 20:59:29 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Planned Rover Test to Run a Week or More Message-ID: <200908150059.n7F0xTF4021256@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=2279 Planned Rover Test to Run a Week or More Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 13, 2009 Mars rover team members are planning a long-duration experiment with the test rover at JPL beginning next week. This test will check whether favorable motion seen in earlier tests can be sustained to gain as much distance in the sandbox as Spirit would need to complete on Mars to escape its predicament. The team expects to drive the test rover for several hundred meters, or yards, worth of wheel rotations over the course of a week or more without starting over. Steering direction will be changed several times during the run. Earlier tests have run for one or two days. In between tests, the team resets the sandbox to simulate Spirit's current starting position at the Mars location called "Troy." Based on test results, the team might begin sending driving commands to Spirit during the second week of September. Any progress by Spirit toward getting out of the soft soil where it is embedded is expected to be slow. With its right front wheel disabled since 2006, Spirit's success at getting out of the sand trap is not guaranteed. Both Spirit and Opportunity have operated on Mars more than five years longer than their initially planned missions of three months. During the weeks of testing at JPL designed to identify the best escape strategy, Spirit has been productively using the tools on its robotic arm to analyze multiple layers of soil at Troy. For more updates, please visit the Free Spirit site: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/freespirit/ From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 14 21:08:35 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - August 12, 2009 Message-ID: <200908150108.n7F18Zsx023662@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES August 12, 2009 o Gullies Incised on Crater Wall http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001578_1425 o Eroded Craters and Sharp Ridges http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001376_1675 o Gratteri Crater: Flow Ejecta Plus Rocks http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001367_1620 o Interesting Crater in Meridiani Planum http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001348_1770 o An Oblique View of Victoria Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_013954_1780 o Dust Devils of Mars! http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_013545_1110 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 14 21:11:19 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: August 10-14, 2009 Message-ID: <200908150111.n7F1BJZc024767@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES August 10-14, 2009 o Kaiser Crater (Released 10 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090810a o Moreux Crater (Released 11 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090811a o Dunes in IR (Released 12 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090812a o Richardson Crater (Released 13 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090813a o Dunes in IR (Released 14 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090814a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 14 22:22:04 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Science comprehension: state of affiars-OT Message-ID: <217819.93641.qm@web55201.mail.re4.yahoo.com> For a pastime I occasionally help answer questions on Yahoo Ask!. Most are by lazy, late, approaching deadline, homework assistance requests --but It helps me keep a finger on the pulse of education and learning amongst today's adolescents.? Occasionally there are the "navel contemplatives" but those who are truly stumped by the real world and are looking for a legitimate answer. Here is an example destined for the annals of "most astonishing". Elton This one is too amazing to not share: Question: Why do we have north and south poles? ..i want to know... i couldnt find the answer anywhere. Actual given ANSWERS: One is satire and one is just plain hilarious. a. When they tried to have East and West poles, the weather got really screwed up, and we had an ice age, or icee age. Everybody got cold, and they voted to put the poles on the North and South after the civil war was done with them. Now we have something called greenhuose gases, so they're sending all the blondes away to the East and West poles again. You won't notice a difference except for where the sun goes up and down. Oh yeah, and the tides. And we're going to lose the moon this time for sure. But I'm just guessing. ~AND~ b. ....I think we do have North. I don't know if we have South. From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 22:48:59 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:48:59 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem Message-ID: Eric and John, Hi Eric, thanks for the information that you gave on Michael Casper's email and John you are right, I think it's great that Eric still had that information after all these years. I keep learning more and more about the Kem Kem story. I never met Michael Casper, but I've learned more about him over the past three days than I ever knew and it has sparked interest in my ebay Kem Kem auction since over 100 people have looked at the auction over the past few days.. Thanks again, Brian IMCA #6387 searchingforfun is my ebay User Id Message: 12 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:23:02 -0700 From: John Gwilliam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem To: Eric Twelker ,meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: <20090815002314.FFOD11920.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net at fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks to Eric for saving 10 year old e-correspondence! It's pretty obvious to me that this is a prime example of how the "mix-up" of the African desert material got started. Just my opinion though. John Gwilliam At 02:35 PM 8/14/2009, Eric Twelker wrote: >FWIW >Eric Twelker > >Begin forwarded message: > >>Resent-From: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>From: "Michael Casper" >>Date: September 14, 1999 7:37:25 AM GMT-08:00 >>To: >>Subject: * SALE * KEN KEN, DAHARA, MOROCCO * SALE >>Reply-To: >> >>LIVE FROM DENVER! >> >>We just secured a load (75KG) of a new find! >> >>Ken Ken, Dahara, Morocco >>Found August 1999 >>4 different meteorites found within 10km >> >>This is a brand new find and is 4 different types. Looks like >>H 5 and L 6 or maybe BETTER! This load was foun over several >>weeks of searching by aproximately 500 folks of "the berber tribe".j >> >>Here is the deal! I will sell no less than 2.5 KG @ $.40 per gram. >>That is $1000.00 MINIMUM ORDER. I will ship overnight if payment >>is MC/VISA. >> >>Included in each shipment will be some of each of 4 different >>meteorites. >> >>Michael >> >> >>Casper Meteorites, Inc. >>P. O. Drawer J >>Ithaca, New York 14851 >>USA >>607-257-5349 (phone) >>607-266-7904 (fax) >>email: casper at meteorites.com >> Jeff Grossman a ??crit??: > >> The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom >> approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January 2000. >> But to really understand the history, you need to go back a few >> years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the >> first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were >> being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus >> a series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem >> meteorites, compounded by our inability to learn many details about >> those meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. >> We decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be >> applied as a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not >> been classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided >> and sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to >> investigate multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite >> provenance in the region. Thus it was decided that all of these >> meteorites would be named NWA, even those that had been classified. >> I'm not sure what ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the >> whole thing. Since I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there >> were no synonyms to publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. >> >> jeff Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:55:00 -0500 From: "Brian Cox" Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC" name for NWAs, Northwest African meteorites To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Jeff, Thank you very much for your explanation of Kem Kem and the NomCom approving the NWA designation because of all the confusion and the situation of all the meteorites coming out of the region. Thank you for mentioning that you and NomCom decided on "A Generic Term" Northwest Africa, that could be applied as a "Tracking" label to all stones. I really appreciate your explanation. All the best! Brian IMCA # 6387 ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:18:03 -0500 From: "Brian Cox" Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem, the original "GENERIC" name for NWAs, Northwest African meteorites To: Message-ID: <19BB00A135DF4DF1B932DC9B07ABF813 at user6e6e286533> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Jeff, Thanks again for your time and for bringing more light to the subject of the origination of the names, NWA and Kem Kem. You mentioned about where the Kem Kems went to and I forgot to mention that I have a piece of Kem Kem that I purchased back when Planet Brey meteorites got specimens of Kem Kem and I have it on ebay and if you want to have a look at it with the Original COA that says Kem Kem and the information on the card, here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH I added in the description that since it's technically Unclassified and probably an H5. Thanks again for your help and your wonderful and thorough explanation. Brian Cox IMCA # 6387 Searchingforfun is my ebay User ID > From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 23:13:40 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:13:40 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sale Meteorites ending on ebay this Saturday 8-15-09 Message-ID: Hello fellow Meteorite Collectors, I hope you're having a great weekend! I listed a few meteorites on ebay and there are a few ending within the next 20 hours, on Saturday afternoon. Please have a look. Kem Kem 19.7 grams one of the most talked about this week... http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably- LAKE MURRAY Meteorite 6.01g COA IMCA IIAB VERYRARE NICE RARELY AVAILABLE IIAB OCTAHEDRITE OLDEST KNOWN INTACT http://cgi.ebay.com/LAKE-MURRAY-Meteorite-6-01g-COA-IMCA-IIAB-VERYRARE- NWA 801 Meteorite CR2 Carbona Chondrite 2.30g IMCA COA http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-801-Meteorite-CR2-Carbona-Chondrite-2-30g-IMCA- LONG ISLAND Meteorite Kansas 4.6 gm COA IMCA Nice L6 http://cgi.ebay.com/LONG-ISLAND-Meteorite-Kansas-4-6-gm-COA-IMCA-Nice- Uvalde Meteorite H5 Texas 2.75 gms IMCA 1915 Nice COA http://cgi.ebay.com/Uvalde-Meteorite-H5-Texas-2-75-gms-IMCA-1915-Nice- HOPE CREEK Meteorite 9.1g COA IMCA LL6 RARE Crust ALASKA http://cgi.ebay.com/HOPE-CREEK-Meteorite-9-1g-COA-IMCA-LL6-RARE- MILES Meteorite Iron IIE Sili Australia .460g COA IMCA http://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-Meteorite-Iron-IIE-Sili-Australia-460g-COA- ZAG Meteorite H 3-6 Chondrite 5.567g IMCA COA End CRUST http://cgi.ebay.com/ZAG-Meteorite-H-3-6-Chondrite-5-567g-IMCA-COA-End- Please have a look at my ebay seller's page by clicking the link here. http://shop.ebay.com/searchingforfun/m.html?_ Happy hunting and clear skies! Have a great rest of the weekend! Brian Cox IMCA# 6387 searchingforfun is my ebay User ID From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 15 00:10:50 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:10:50 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sale auctions ending on ebay by Saturday evening 8-15-09 Corrected links that now work to each meteorite auction Message-ID: <34FCDD2E9ED3466FB1BECF51CE9064C6@user6e6e286533> Hello everyone, Sorry about this email, please don't anyone get angry because I posted a 2nd one for these same sales. I know a person or two gets uptight about ad sales emails. I got several emails that the links didn't work and I apologize. I cut them short thinking it would work and tried them and so now I corrected the links and now they work. Thanks to those that emailed me. The main link to my seller's page does work from the first email. Thanks again and sorry for any problems. Have a great night! Brian > Subject: Ad Sale auctions ending on ebay by Saturday evening 8-15-09 > These links below do work to each meteorite. > > >> Hello fellow Meteorite Collectors, >> >> I hope you're having a great weekend! >> >> I listed a few meteorites on ebay and there are a few ending within the >> next 20 hours, on Saturday afternoon. Please have a look. >> >> Kem Kem 19.7 grams one of the most talked about this week... >> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH >> >> LAKE MURRAY Meteorite 6.01g COA IMCA IIAB VERYRARE NICE RARELY AVAILABLE >> IIAB OCTAHEDRITE OLDEST KNOWN INTACT http://cgi.ebay.com/LAKE-MURRAY-Meteorite-6-01g-COA-IMCA-IIAB-VERYRARE-NICE_W0QQitemZ280383032792QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4148218dd8&_ >> >> NWA 801 Meteorite CR2 Carbona Chondrite 2.30g IMCA COA http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-801-Meteorite-CR2-Carbona-Chondrite-2-30g-IMCA-COA_W0QQitemZ270441180644QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef78cede4&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >> LONG ISLAND Meteorite Kansas 4.6 gm COA IMCA Nice L6 http://cgi.ebay.com/LONG-ISLAND-Meteorite-Kansas-4-6-gm-COA-IMCA-Nice-L6_W0QQitemZ270441730484QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef79551b4&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >> Uvalde Meteorite H5 Texas 2.75 gms IMCA 1915 Nice COA http://cgi.ebay.com/Uvalde-Meteorite-H5-Texas-2-75-gms-IMCA-1915-Nice-COA_W0QQitemZ270441754292QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef795aeb4&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 HOPE CREEK Meteorite 9.1g COA IMCA LL6 RARE Crust ALASKA http://cgi.ebay.com/HOPE-CREEK-Meteorite-9-1g-COA-IMCA-LL6-RARE-CrustALASKA_W0QQitemZ280384607387QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414839949b&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14>> MILES Meteorite Iron IIE Sili Australia .460g COA IMCAhttp://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-Meteorite-Iron-IIE-Sili-Australia-460g-COA-IMCA_W0QQitemZ280384694496QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item41483ae8e0&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 ZAG Meteorite H 3-6 Chondrite 5.567g IMCA COA End CRUSThttp://cgi.ebay.com/ZAG-Meteorite-H-3-6-Chondrite-5-567g-IMCA-COA-End-CRUST_W0QQitemZ270442520498QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a15fb2&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14>> Please have a look at my ebay seller's page by clicking the link here.>>>> http://shop.ebay.com/searchingforfun/m.html?_>>>> Happy hunting and clear skies!>>>> Have a great rest of the weekend!>>>> Brian Cox>> IMCA# 6387>>>> searchingforfun is my ebay User ID>>>>> From fujmon at mac.com Sat Aug 15 02:49:30 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:49:30 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/Buzzard-Coulee-Meteorite-18-8-gm-95-FC-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ270442978522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a85cda&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_902wt_909 Are export licenses finally being issued? Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Sat Aug 15 04:38:17 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:38:17 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? Message-ID: No, read the auction. It clearly says the permit has not yet been issued. -------- Original Message -------- > From: Gary Fujihara > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:49 AM > To: MeteorList > Subject: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Buzzard-Coulee-Meteorite-18-8-gm-95-FC-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ270442978522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a85cda&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_902wt_909 > > Are export licenses finally being issued? > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk Sat Aug 15 05:36:23 2009 From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:36:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD~~Park Forest dual litholgy(REDUCED) slice, gujba, CV3, nice unclassifieds Message-ID: <19399568.126351250328983680.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> greetings listoids I have a few auctions ending tomorrow including the 9.9 gram Park Forest slice which I have reduced by 10% in order to assist it into a new home. Also 2 nice partslices of Gujba currently at about $5 a gram and a couple of eye-popping slices of NWA2424 CV3 2.5 gram cv3 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320410373876 396 gram fresh crust unclassified NWA currently at about 10 cents a gram http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320410386503 2.4 grams Gujba Bencubbinite (CBa3) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320410398116 173 gram fusion crusted cut in 2 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320410475342 9.9 gram Park forest slice---REDUCED 10%---?160 starting price is about $27 a gram http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320410892550 thanks for looking and bidding,have a great weekend JB From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 09:30:11 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:30:11 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, it's just another Canadian citizen who is unfamiliar with the law. He probably doesn't know he needs an export permit to sell outside Canada. On 8/15/09, Gary Fujihara wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Buzzard-Coulee-Meteorite-18-8-gm-95-FC-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ270442978522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a85cda&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_902wt_909 > > Are export licenses finally being issued? > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From nightsky55 at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 09:46:29 2009 From: nightsky55 at gmail.com (Bob King) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:46:29 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99c1e91a0908150646w744bc389m647cfa3a30862b31@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys, I think if you read down in the description he does mention that he can sell now only in Canada and elsewhere when the permit is given. He even offers money back if the permit doesn't go through. Bob On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > No, it's just another Canadian citizen who is unfamiliar with the law. > ?He probably doesn't know he needs an export permit to sell outside > Canada. > > > > On 8/15/09, Gary Fujihara wrote: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Buzzard-Coulee-Meteorite-18-8-gm-95-FC-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ270442978522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a85cda&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_902wt_909 >> >> Are export licenses finally being issued? >> >> Gary Fujihara >> AstroDay Institute >> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >> http://astroday.net >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From jgrossman at usgs.gov Sat Aug 15 10:21:55 2009 From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:21:55 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A86C483.30000@usgs.gov> Carl 's wrote: > > So far there are NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755 with the pseudonym of Kem Kem. Anymore? should be at least one more with a H5(?) classification (Brian Cox/PlanetBrey),but probably many more. Interesting topic. > Also NWA 1198, 2096. In addition NWA 2813, 2814, 4051 were purchased in Kem Kem. Provisional data for NWA 268-277 say they originated in Kem Kem (purchased by Dean Bessey in Denver prior to Dec 2000). These remain unclassified. Casper meteorites? jeff > Carl > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! > http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA From nightsky55 at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 10:35:02 2009 From: nightsky55 at gmail.com (Bob King) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:35:02 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? In-Reply-To: <1155688844.287631250346050718.JavaMail.root@sz0017a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <99c1e91a0908150646w744bc389m647cfa3a30862b31@mail.gmail.com> <1155688844.287631250346050718.JavaMail.root@sz0017a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <99c1e91a0908150735he094fb6g2f7fcc1e146eb8a6@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bob, Correct but it goes on and I quote: "This meteorite can be shipped immediately to anyone in Canada, but an export permit is required for the US and this will take a few months in delay. If permit is denied the full refund is given." Bob PS. I don't know who is selling it so I'm not supporting this person for any particular reason. Just so you know ;) On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:20 AM, wrote: > Bob, > > Read it again. Its says will ship to? USA and Canada. > > > > Regards, > > Bob E > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob King" > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:46:29 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? > > Hi guys, > I think if you read down in the description he does mention that he > can sell now only in Canada and elsewhere when the permit is given. He > even offers money back if the permit doesn't go through. > Bob > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Galactic Stone & > Ironworks wrote: >> No, it's just another Canadian citizen who is unfamiliar with the law. >> ?He probably doesn't know he needs an export permit to sell outside >> Canada. >> >> >> >> On 8/15/09, Gary Fujihara wrote: >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Buzzard-Coulee-Meteorite-18-8-gm-95-FC-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ270442978522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a85cda&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_902wt_909 >>> >>> Are export licenses finally being issued? >>> >>> Gary Fujihara >>> AstroDay Institute >>> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >>> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >>> http://astroday.net >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> ......................................................... >> Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) >> Member of the Meteoritical Society. >> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com >> FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale >> Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >> eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle >> .......................................................... >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From jgrossman at usgs.gov Sat Aug 15 10:45:43 2009 From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:45:43 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem-Kem was never the generic for NWA In-Reply-To: <20090814160751.P4EGU.103470.imail@fed1rmwml39> References: <20090814160751.P4EGU.103470.imail@fed1rmwml39> Message-ID: <4A86CA17.50800@usgs.gov> cdtucson at cox.net wrote: > Jeff, et al, > Thank you for that Jeff. > I see from a Macovich auction back in Feb. 4, 2001 that there is another confusing series. The Sahara ***** series. Some of them show up in the bulletin and some don't. > http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/sale/AuctionMacovich-Tucson2001.pdf > Entries 8 thru 12 > Auction item number 8 does not show up with the posted designation "Sahara 85001 but it does show up as NWA 1242 in the bulletin. However it does not reference the thing back to originally being Sahara 85001 as seen in Auction. > As far as I am aware, nobody has ever asked this before. It was my understanding that the Labennes found all of their Sahara meteorites, whereas NWA 1242 has a specific story. Are we sure these are the same? > Another of the missing Saharans is Sahara 97119. as seen as item number 10 in the same auction. What ever happened with this one? > Many Labenne meteorite have never been classified. They numbered them in their own way, without NomCom involvement, so we have never even been able to list provisional names for these. > This same auction does list only one NWA meteorite NWA 108 and no listings of any Kem-Kem. > This leads me to another question. Why do we even care where these things fell? Unless they made a crater or are being mapped for some odd reason or did something else that is extraordinary. What difference does it make where they landed anyway??? On that note it seems an awful lot of importance is placed on coordinates. Is there really anything left to be learned by where they land? I mean we know they land where they land. Okay. > Another reason I ask this is because we are basically forced to give up our new found treasure spot for what seems to be a very insignificant reason. > What you are basically saying here is that science will never care about the coordinates. But you can't know that. Important questions involving pairings do arise and are often resolved with geographic information. In addition, you never know which meteorites will turn out to be important. If collectors treat the coordinates as their personal property and take them to their graves, science stands to permanently lose the opportunity to obtain additional research material. I have no problem with collectors withholding their information until they have had adequate opportunity to conclude a search. But I consider it irresponsible to hide the information for many years or decades or longer. As I've said many times, there is a delicate, mutually beneficial relationship between science and commercialism in meteorites. If people treat meteorites as solely commercial products, the relationship breaks down and there will be negative consequences to all. jeff > This same question was posed recently. "Would you give up the location of a cache of gold that you found"? Of course not. So, why would you tell where your meteorite worth more than gold fell? That would be silly wouldn't it? Yet, I read the other day that science needs to do some very early testing on recent falls. My thought is okay do the testing and I will tell you where it fell later. Maybe Much later. > As you can see here I believe there is more harm in telling where these fall than by not telling. Telling creates a lot of negative stuff on this list. > Look no farther than Admire, AZ's most recent and West etc. No good came of this knowledge. In fact these falls/ finds have caused irreparable damage to this industry if not just it's hunters. What do you say. lets get rid of this useless requirement or at least make it merely a voluntary addition.? > Thanks > Just my 2 cents . > Carl > > > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > > ---- Jeff Grossman wrote: > >> The Kem Kem meteorites from Casper were a trigger for the NomCom >> approving the NWA designation, which was my coinage in January >> 2000. But to really understand the history, you need to go back a >> few years earlier, to El Hammami (aka Hamada du Draa), which was the >> first case for which the NomCom became aware that meteorites were >> being transported and sold in this region. With this history, plus a >> series of inquiries from other dealers about the Kem Kem meteorites, >> compounded by our inability to learn many details about those >> meteorites from Casper, we needed to take action of some kind. We >> decided on a generic term, Northwest Africa, that could be applied as >> a "tracking" label to all stones, even ones that had not been >> classified, so that individual meteorites would not be divided and >> sold under multiple names. We also had no ability to investigate >> multiple vague or anonymous claims about meteorite provenance in the >> region. Thus it was decided that all of these meteorites would be >> named NWA, even those that had been classified. I'm not sure what >> ever happened to the Kem Kems that triggered the whole thing. Since >> I don't think Casper ever numbered them, there were no synonyms to >> publish, assuming they eventually became NWAs. >> >> jeff >> >> >> Jeff >> >> At 01:02 AM 8/10/2009, Jason Utas wrote: >> >>> Dirk, Brian, All, >>> This came up on the list a while back; from what I understood, Casper >>> sold those as well as a number of other stones under that name around >>> that time, and only classified one stone, before grouping a number of >>> similar-looking meteorites together under that name (I believe the >>> mentality was that of the meteorite-world pior to the NWA rush, where >>> not every piece had to be classified to verify its composition). And >>> while not every piece does have to be classified in many cases, this, >>> I believe, was a situation in which things were not made certain. I >>> never got the catalog at the time, bit I do recall there being some >>> consternation as meteorites were being misclassified/misnamed. >>> Hence the confusion, as the name applies to a number of late 1990's >>> NWA meteorites which came out of the area via Casper. I might only >>> call it a generic name at this point because it is a name that applies >>> to a number of petrographically distinct meteorites. Single name, >>> unknown number of meteorites. I don't know if it quite fits the >>> definition of the word "generic," but if it doesn't, it's not far off. >>> Regards, >>> Jason >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, drtanuki wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Brian and List, >>>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson. >>>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a >>>> >>> new find out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. >>> Stone. Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s >>> catalogue lists: >>> >>>> 22.4g @ $44.80; >>>> 26.9g@ $53.80 >>>> 31.5g@ $63.00 >>>> 33.5g@ $67.00 >>>> 41.0g@ $82.00 >>>> 46.8g@ $93.60 >>>> 53.2g@ $106.40 >>>> 58.6g@ $117.20 >>>> 67.4g@ $134.80 >>>> 70.0g@ $140.00 >>>> 83.1g@ $166.20 >>>> 114.9g@ $229.80 >>>> 153.6g@ $307.20 >>>> >>>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece >>>> >>> photographed, which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term >>> for the meteorites of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote. >>> >>>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by >>>> >>> INCORRECTLY calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs. >>> >>>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks >>>> >>> and at Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the >>> planetary alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by >>> the busloads for the huge festival and arrested development. >>> >>>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was >>>> >>> Dean Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); >>> prior to Bessey Specks perhaps not? >>> >>>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a >>>> >>> mad German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the >>> day. Also missed the Great Habibi! >>> >>>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine >>>> >>> beef, mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea. >>> >>>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be >>>> >>> blue...Idir met Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be >>> at Kem-Kem at SunSet on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall. >>> >>>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are >>>> >>> searchingforfun. >>> >>>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: Brian Cox >>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name >>>>> >>> before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites >>> >>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM >>>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem >>>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey >>>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that >>>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from >>>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members >>>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites. >>>>> >>>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey >>>>> just now in this auction. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 >>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight! >>>>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> IMCA # 6387 >>>>> >>>>> searchingforfun is my >>>>> ebay User ID >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 >> US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 >> 954 National Center >> Reston, VA 20192, USA >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA From jgrossman at usgs.gov Sat Aug 15 10:46:10 2009 From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:46:10 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A86CA32.8070003@usgs.gov> Carl 's wrote: > > So far there are NWA 001, 052, 753 & 755 with the pseudonym of Kem Kem. Anymore? should be at least one more with a H5(?) classification (Brian Cox/PlanetBrey),but probably many more. Interesting topic. > Also NWA 1198, 2096. In addition NWA 2813, 2814, 4051 were purchased in Kem Kem. Provisional data for NWA 268-277 say they originated in Kem Kem (purchased by Dean Bessey in Denver prior to Dec 2000). These remain unclassified. Casper meteorites? jeff > Carl > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your vacation photos on your phone! > http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 11:25:50 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:25:50 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem - So it's basically a catchall and could be anything? Message-ID: Hi List, For those of us quietly following the Kem Kem hootnanny from the peanut gallery, I'd like to ask if the summary below is correct (essentially) - A specimen sold as "Kem Kem" could be just about anything from a H chondrite to a R chondrite? So as far as official nomenclature is concerned, Kem Kem is strictly a geographic place (where meteorites are found/bought) and not a reference to particular find, fall, or petrologic type? Are there any other synonyms or catch-all names like this in use? I heard that El Hammami had once been used in this manner, to a lesser degree. Is this true? Best regards and clear skies, MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 14:26:42 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:26:42 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] SALE - 25% off everything in the store - meteorites, trinitite, minerals, supplies! Message-ID: Hi Listees! This is just a quick reminder that List members get 25% OFF everything in my store - this is an open discount that never expires - just use coupon code "metlist" at checkout to get the discount. This is good for everything in the store - nothing is excluded. Some recent additions include - premium UNWA stones, fossils, LDG, tibetan quartz crystals (double-terminated), black tourmaline, and more. :) I also offer gemjars, Riker boxes, digital scales, 1cm magnet cubes, jeweler's loupes, and glass vials. http://www.galactic-stone.com Thanks for looking and clear skies! MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From fujmon at mac.com Sat Aug 15 14:37:53 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:37:53 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay auctions ending in 2 hours Message-ID: Aloha, I have an auction ending TODAY in 2 hours of some oriented NWA 869, Bassikounou, Campo del Cielo, Norton County, uNWA pallasite, and Oum Dreyga, and other items that may be of interest to you. Some items are still at 99? * Cherry NWA 869 23.18g complete individual (currently at $19.49 - 81?/g) * Oriented NWA 869 85.83g complete individual (currently at $99 - $1.15/g) * Bassikounou 106g Fresh complete individual (currently at $181.52 - $1.71/g) * Etched Campo del Cielo 192g slice (currently at $31 - 16?/g) * Norton County 0.6g Primo crusted fragments (currently at $10.42 - $17.37/g) * uNWA Pallasite 1.77g Olivine encrusted fragment (currently at 99? - 56?/g) * Oum Dreyga 18g 99% FC Almost perfect individual (currently at $24.50 - $1.36/g) See all the items up for auction here: http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Next week preview: Bassi, Chergach, uNWA pallasite, oriented NWA 869, Campo, and more! Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 16:41:45 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:41:45 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted - Cheap NWA howardite (not unclassified) Message-ID: Hi List! I need some low-cost howardite - cutting crumbs from NWA specimens would be perfect. The pieces can be small, but not dust. I need a couple of grams, possibly more, depending on the price. Contact me off-list if interested. Thanks and clear skies! MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Sat Aug 15 17:48:59 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:48:59 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Russ Finney Message-ID: Please contact me again off list. *sigh* -mt From meteoritekid at gmail.com Sat Aug 15 17:59:37 2009 From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:59:37 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay Listings Ending Tomorrow - AD Message-ID: <93aaac890908151459r58b188bcjcec534bfe947b77@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, I've a few ebay auctions ending tomorrow evening (pacific time - they end about a day from now) - a lowish number NWA main mass, and a slice of a pretty LL5, both at a few dollars, with no reserve. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/the_meteorite_hunter_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ Thanks, Jason From deanbessey at yahoo.com Sat Aug 15 18:48:52 2009 From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] The Scoop on "Kem Kem" In-Reply-To: <4A86CA32.8070003@usgs.gov> Message-ID: <659369.71999.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I just got back from australia and am sorting through thousands and thousands of emails so my apologies if this has already been answered. There is no recogonized meteorite term as "Kem Kem". The term "Kem Kem" dates from the days just before the official creation of the term "NWA" roughly 9 or 10 years ago. Hundreds of kilos of meteorites were being sold at random in Morocco and everybody (Including the met society) was trying to best figure out how to catalog and deal with the situation of mixed meteorites from many different falls thrown in together and sold in bulk (Not that big a deal nowadays but A novel new thing 10 years ago). Meteorite dealer Michael casper - now I believe (at least semi) retired, got his hands on a large quantity (If I remember correctly 300 kilos but my memory might be a little off after 10 years) and he sold them in bulk using the name "KEM KEM" and saying that they were found in the Kem Kem desert. They were very cheap for meteorites - I believe 30 or 40 cents a gram which was I think the first time that any meteorite was ever publicly advertised under $1 a gram. At the time everybody probably believed the Moroccans story that they were found in the Kem Kem desert but of course nowadays we all take location data with a grain of salt at best. I was among Caspers buyers and on seeing them it was obvious that it was a very mixed group of meteorites and from a very wide variety of falls. Soon afterwards the name "NWA" was officially put in place and anything classified from Caspers "Kem Kem" hoard (Including NWA001) was given a NWA name. If you see anything labelled Kem Kem it will almost surely be from caspers one time 300 Kilo hoard that just pre dated NWA. Nobody else has ever used that name as the introduction of NWA shortly afterwards cancelled peoples need to try and make up names to describe their meteorites. Almost certainly the location data of caspers 300 kilo hoard is just as iffy as location data that you get nowadays so wither they were actually found in Kem kem or not is really a moot point as nobody really cares about such details nowadays. But your Kem Kem stones can be traced to a particular buy from the early days and has that little extra bit of history to them. They were a particularly nice group of meteorites also and better than any 300 kilo mixed hoard that you are likely to find offered in morocco nowadays. Sincerely DEAN From leighannedelray at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 02:36:27 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:36:27 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Krinov Book Ending in Less that 24 Hours! Message-ID: <5e97e2850908152336g48784dbcp363636edb0171371@mail.gmail.com> Get it while the getting is good. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250478936618 Thanks everyone. Leigh Anne From tett at rogers.com Sun Aug 16 06:49:14 2009 From: tett at rogers.com (tett) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 06:49:14 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] [Bulk] Re: First Buzzard Coulee to hit the market? In-Reply-To: <99c1e91a0908150646w744bc389m647cfa3a30862b31@mail.gmail.com> References: <99c1e91a0908150646w744bc389m647cfa3a30862b31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A87E42A.8040502@rogers.com> Correct Bob. Only problem is he thinks it could take 8 weeks. NO WAY. It will take about 6 months and it is one hell of a lot of work. Cheers! Mike Tettenborn Bob King wrote: > Hi guys, > I think if you read down in the description he does mention that he > can sell now only in Canada and elsewhere when the permit is given. He > even offers money back if the permit doesn't go through. > Bob > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Galactic Stone & > Ironworks wrote: > >> No, it's just another Canadian citizen who is unfamiliar with the law. >> He probably doesn't know he needs an export permit to sell outside >> Canada. >> >> >> >> On 8/15/09, Gary Fujihara wrote: >> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Buzzard-Coulee-Meteorite-18-8-gm-95-FC-VERY-RARE_W0QQitemZ270442978522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7a85cda&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_902wt_909 >>> >>> Are export licenses finally being issued? >>> >>> Gary Fujihara >>> AstroDay Institute >>> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >>> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >>> http://astroday.net >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >> -- >> ......................................................... >> Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) >> Member of the Meteoritical Society. >> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com >> FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale >> Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >> eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle >> .......................................................... >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From gsac at gmx.net Sun Aug 16 07:54:42 2009 From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:54:42 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] The Scoop on "Kem Kem" In-Reply-To: <659369.71999.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <659369.71999.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090816115442.141270@gmx.net> The "Lahmada" stones, found in Western Sahara in 1998 and 1999, were some of the last ones to get official Non-NWA names from the NomCom, before there was an agreement on the new Northwest Africa (NWA) designation. In fact, Lahmada 002 - 018 are still valid official names, while Lahmada 022 - 032 were synonyms for NWA 035 - 045 respectively. At least the first Lahmada stones also had distinct geographical find coordinates submitted to the NomCom. Some of the stones were later considered to be probably paired. PS: on a more personal side, I hold the main mass of Lahmada 007, a pretty fresh stone of 603.7 g (from a TKW of 620.6 g), which is fun to know it is one of the few last ones to get a Non-NWA name before the big NWA-rush began. This makes it a bit special for me, though it is nothing but a common H5 meteorite by class. :-) Alex Berlin/Germany -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:48:52 -0700 (PDT) > Von: dean bessey > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The Scoop on "Kem Kem" > I just got back from australia and am sorting through thousands and > thousands of emails so my apologies if this has already been answered. > There is no recogonized meteorite term as "Kem Kem". > The term "Kem Kem" dates from the days just before the official creation > of the term "NWA" roughly 9 or 10 years ago. > Hundreds of kilos of meteorites were being sold at random in Morocco and > everybody (Including the met society) was trying to best figure out how to > catalog and deal with the situation of mixed meteorites from many different > falls thrown in together and sold in bulk (Not that big a deal nowadays but > A novel new thing 10 years ago). > Meteorite dealer Michael casper - now I believe (at least semi) retired, > got his hands on a large quantity (If I remember correctly 300 kilos but my > memory might be a little off after 10 years) and he sold them in bulk using > the name "KEM KEM" and saying that they were found in the Kem Kem desert. > They were very cheap for meteorites - I believe 30 or 40 cents a gram which > was I think the first time that any meteorite was ever publicly advertised > under $1 a gram. At the time everybody probably believed the Moroccans > story that they were found in the Kem Kem desert but of course nowadays we all > take location data with a grain of salt at best. > I was among Caspers buyers and on seeing them it was obvious that it was a > very mixed group of meteorites and from a very wide variety of falls. > Soon afterwards the name "NWA" was officially put in place and anything > classified from Caspers "Kem Kem" hoard (Including NWA001) was given a NWA > name. > If you see anything labelled Kem Kem it will almost surely be from caspers > one time 300 Kilo hoard that just pre dated NWA. Nobody else has ever used > that name as the introduction of NWA shortly afterwards cancelled peoples > need to try and make up names to describe their meteorites. > Almost certainly the location data of caspers 300 kilo hoard is just as > iffy as location data that you get nowadays so wither they were actually > found in Kem kem or not is really a moot point as nobody really cares about > such details nowadays. But your Kem Kem stones can be traced to a particular > buy from the early days and has that little extra bit of history to them. > They were a particularly nice group of meteorites also and better than any > 300 kilo mixed hoard that you are likely to find offered in morocco nowadays. > Sincerely > DEAN > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 09:21:28 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 06:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <804771.25150.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> test ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 11:16:38 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:16:38 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Pook's Pebbles? Message-ID: Hi Folks! Does anyone know where to acquire some Pook's Pebbles? I looked around via the web and I couldn't find diddly-squat. Any ideas? Thanks and clear skies! MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com Sun Aug 16 13:44:33 2009 From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:44:33 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Nadiabondi and others Message-ID: <26288EE0D23F40C6A2F79C9C7F4260E5@DHHP5HJ1> Hello all A few gems ending today on the Bay including an uncommon Nadiabondi individual. http://shop.ebay.com/nakhladog/m.html Have an excellent Sunday, Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog ------------------ We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sun Aug 16 14:03:01 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:03:01 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 16, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_16_2009.html __________________________ From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 14:29:26 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:29:26 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 16, 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can never see enough photos of Dave's collection. Tell those other guys to duck down and stop blocking the meteorites from view. LOL ;) (just kidding guys!) (not kidding about Dave's collection though - WOW) On 8/16/09, SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com wrote: > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_16_2009.html > > > > > > __________________________ > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 14:42:23 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:42:23 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Article now posted Message-ID: Hi Listees! I have reposted an old article that I wrote about collecting meteorites. It's written with newbies in mind and it addresses some of the fundamental aspects of meteorites - their origin, their composition, the major types, and how to care for them. It tries to answer the basic questions we hear all of the time - "How do we know it's a meteorite?" "How do we know it's really from the Moon or Mars?" "Where does one buy meteorites?" "How do I store or display my meteorite?" I am open to any suggestions or corrections to be included in future edits of this article. You can read the article here - http://www.galactic-stone.com/pages/meteorites There original article has some photos in it as well, and I am working on getting those uploaded tonight. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From majbaermann at web.de Sun Aug 16 14:14:17 2009 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:14:17 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 16, 2009 References: Message-ID: Very nice, guys, one can feel the atmosphere. And, Dave, your "Falling r o c k s": you mean it, as I see. Literally. How impressive. Best regards, Matthias B. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 16,2009 > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_16_2009.html > > > > > > __________________________ > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 18:18:09 2009 From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <5e97e2850908131432m1cec8d30pc787eb04d6486df5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <475588.15110.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Nothing unusual about this. My first ever meteorite was a 25mg piece of Dhofar 1084. Tasting it was one of the first things I did. I don't recal ever having tasted a martian though it is a distinct possibility and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the experience. I can tell you that eucrite tastes like those cinder blocks that they use for making homes, the really big grey ones....with a little sprinkling of iron filings on top. You may be wondering how I know what cinder blocks or iron filings taste like but I also believe you're intelligent enough to also have guessed the answer. It's a wonder I'm still alive. Rob --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > From: Leigh Anne DelRay > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! > To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" , Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:32 PM > Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars > Rocks!!!!! > > The latest trend: > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg > > Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! > > > Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon > Rock > > http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg > > And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. > > > Just a little something to be silly, > Leigh Anne > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, > JoshuaTreeMuseum > wrote: > > http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker-1278.php > > > > I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. ?Just > this morning I had a > > bowl ?of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate > the way the plagioclase > > feldspar sticks between your teeth! > > > > Phil Whitmer > > > > Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy > > In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise > has been, well ... > > By Jay MacDonald > > > > Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a > chunk of space debris at > > the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life > forever. > > > > > > > > He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in > his hands -- he has > > tasted them. > > > > "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock > that I have purchased > > or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are > all made of space > > rock." > > > > Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael > Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, > > one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- > on this planet > > anyway. > > > > Building a rock-solid empire > > Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the > University of Arizona > > on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and > vaguely drifting toward a > > career with the CIA when he happened to wander into > the largest gem and > > mineral show on earth. > > > > "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so > fascinated with it that it > > changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When > I saw it, I thought, > > 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" > > > > Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site > until he met an old-timer > > who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. > His asking price: > > $4,000 for the box. > > > > "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and > borrow to buy the box," > > Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the > meteorites, I found that > > that they were from a very rare collection, and I > quadrupled my money on > > those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized > you could actually > > make money doing this." > > > > Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the > first of dozens of trips > > to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. > > > > Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 19:02:45 2009 From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] fake/bogus ebay auctions In-Reply-To: <26288EE0D23F40C6A2F79C9C7F4260E5@DHHP5HJ1> References: <26288EE0D23F40C6A2F79C9C7F4260E5@DHHP5HJ1> Message-ID: <521374.10231.qm@web43403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> hello listees, A heads up to everyone, you can see and or list any ebay auctions that are suspect and are selling bogus stones and trying to pass them off as meteorites or listing them as something other than what they are. If you see a seller listing a meteorite for something other than what it really is or a fake, it would be helpful to newbies and everyone for you to post a link to that auction here: http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?board=ebay Thanks, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrock.com From leighannedelray at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 20:26:48 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:26:48 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: 30 minutes remaining for SIGNED Krinov Book Message-ID: <5e97e2850908161726q1d836c7fh1576620c3177a181@mail.gmail.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250478936618 Thanks everyone. Leigh Anne From jnbran at verizon.net Sun Aug 16 21:03:12 2009 From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:03:12 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Update Collection Sale Message-ID: <008501ca1ed6$7ef2b3b0$4001a8c0@yourlk4rlmsu41> Hello List, I wanted to update my sale, and I will take offers on everything that is left and I also have some updated photo's. Take Care and Thanks, Jason Updated List: Richfield, Kansas Classification: LL3.7 Weight: 104 grams Awesome looking full slice with great interior clasts. Price: $400 NWA 2924, Morocco Classification: Mesosiderite Weight: 33 grams Cool looking piece with blobs of metal. Price: $125 NWA 1930, Morocco Classification: LL3 Weight: 32 grams Sells for $10/gram normally. Price: $65 NWA unclassified slice, Morocco Weight: 247.7 grams Very large slice with great interior features. Price: $125 NWA 1936, Morocco Classification: H4 Weight: 85.5 grams The nicest H4 I have ever seen with great multi-colored chondrules Price: $300 Chinga, Russia Classification: Ataxite Weight: 349 grams A complete slice polished to a mirror, just wonderful. Price: $425 NWA 267, Morocco Classification: H3 Weight: 636 grams This is from Dean Bessey first large meteorite offering. Price: $225 Al Haggounia 001, Morocco Classification: EL3 (aubrite?) Weight: 9090 grams, excellent endcut showing dual interior features (blue and brown) Purchased directly from finder who submitted classification. Price: $1200 NWA 1929, Morocco Classification: Howardite Weight: 118 gram endcut (true main mass) Price: $750 Dhofar 1289 Classification: L4 with multi-colored chondrites Weight: 472 grams Price: $200 El Hammami Mountains, Africa (Witnessed fall) Classification: H5 Weight: 1676 grams Shows some evidence of camel sweat from being carried out of the desert. Price: $1200 Nuevo Mercurio, Mexico (Witnessed fall 1978) Classification: H4 Weight: 131 grams, beautiful complete stone Price: $1000 Davy A, Texas Classification: L4 Weight: 183.5 grams Find: 1940 Price: $350 Wanapite impact breccia Beautiful large slice and it's sister slice in at ASU meteorite lab. Weight: 1145 grams Price: $250 Sudbury black onaping breccia Complete slice that is 15 inches long and extremely beautiful. Weight: 1018 grams Price: $250 Azura Impactite Weight: 444 grams Price: $50 Unclassified chondrites- ~19kg's total Weights: Up to 10.5 kgs All of these were cherry picked over the years of shipments from Morocco, many with flow lines and thumb printing and dark crust. Price: $0.10-0.25/gram From jnbran at verizon.net Sun Aug 16 20:55:58 2009 From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:55:58 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Collection sale update References: <26288EE0D23F40C6A2F79C9C7F4260E5@DHHP5HJ1> <521374.10231.qm@web43403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007b01ca1ed5$7c3536d0$4001a8c0@yourlk4rlmsu41> Hello List, I wanted to update my sale, and I will take offers on everything that is left. Take Care and Thanks, Jason Updated List: Richfield, Kansas Classification: LL3.7 Weight: 104 grams Awesome looking full slice with great interior clasts. Price: $400 NWA 2924, Morocco Classification: Mesosiderite Weight: 33 grams Cool looking piece with blobs of metal. Price: $125 NWA 1930, Morocco Classification: LL3 Weight: 32 grams Sells for $10/gram normally. Price: $65 NWA unclassified slice, Morocco Weight: 247.7 grams Very large slice with great interior features. Price: $125 NWA 1936, Morocco Classification: H4 Weight: 85.5 grams The nicest H4 I have ever seen with great multi-colored chondrules Price: $300 Chinga, Russia Classification: Ataxite Weight: 349 grams A complete slice polished to a mirror, just wonderful. Price: $425 NWA 267, Morocco Classification: H3 Weight: 636 grams This is from Dean Bessey first large meteorite offering. Price: $225 Al Haggounia 001, Morocco Classification: EL3 (aubrite?) Weight: 9090 grams, excellent endcut showing dual interior features (blue and brown) Purchased directly from finder who submitted classification. Price: $1200 NWA 1929, Morocco Classification: Howardite Weight: 118 gram endcut (true main mass) Price: $750 Dhofar 1289 Classification: L4 with multi-colored chondrites Weight: 472 grams Price: $200 El Hammami Mountains, Africa (Witnessed fall) Classification: H5 Weight: 1676 grams Shows some evidence of camel sweat from being carried out of the desert. Price: $1200 Nuevo Mercurio, Mexico (Witnessed fall 1978) Classification: H4 Weight: 131 grams, beautiful complete stone Price: $1000 Davy A, Texas Classification: L4 Weight: 183.5 grams Find: 1940 Price: $350 Wanapite impact breccia Beautiful large slice and it's sister slice in at ASU meteorite lab. Weight: 1145 grams Price: $250 Sudbury black onaping breccia Complete slice that is 15 inches long and extremely beautiful. Weight: 1018 grams Price: $250 Azura Impactite Weight: 444 grams Price: $50 Unclassified chondrites- ~19kg's total Weights: Up to 10.5 kgs All of these were cherry picked over the years of shipments from Morocco, many with flow lines and thumb printing and dark crust. Price: $0.10-0.25/gram From mqfowler at mac.com Sun Aug 16 21:44:34 2009 From: mqfowler at mac.com (Michael Fowler) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:44:34 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Found On Mars Yields Clues About Planet's Past Message-ID: > August 10, 2009 > > Dwayne Brown > Headquarters, Washington > 202-358-1726 > dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov > > Guy Webster > Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. > 818-354-6278 > gay.y.hill at jpl.nasa.gov > > RELEASE: 09-186 > > METEORITE FOUND ON MARS YIELDS CLUES ABOUT PLANET'S PAST > > PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Rover Opportunity is investigating a > metallic meteorite the size of a large watermelon that is providing > researchers more details about the Red Planet's environmental > history. > > The rock, dubbed "Block Island," is larger than any other known > meteorite on Mars. Scientists calculate it is too massive to have hit > the ground without disintegrating unless Mars had a much thicker > atmosphere than it has now when the rock fell. ........... A little slow to respond to this, but it's been bothering me for some time. How can they say with such certainty that it could not survive intact? And from there to jump to the conclusion that the only possible explanation is that it must have fallen when Mars had a much denser atmosphere. I disagree. It could have fallen on a glacier, or maybe a sand dune, or maybe at an oblique angle on the side of a major hill, or ravine that has worn away in the millions, or billions of years since it fell. Here's one for you. What about the Hoba meteorite? My guess is that the very same models that prove that the Block Island Mars meteorite couldn't have landed intact in Mars's atmosphere would also predict that the Hoba meteorite couldn't land intact on Earth. Any comments? Sterling, what do you say? Mike Fowler Chicago From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sun Aug 16 23:31:39 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:31:39 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] RSPOD - August 16, 2009 (updated) Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_16_2009.html __________________________ From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov Sun Aug 16 23:47:53 2009 From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D (3225)) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:47:53 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <475588.15110.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The gent who wrote the Red Mars trilogy, Kim Stanley Robinson, wrote a short appendix to one of the books in the series. The details are a little sketchy to me now (been a while since I read them), but if I recall correctly the appendix was titled, ?The First Recorded Instance of Aerophagy? and was about him sitting on his rooftop looking at Mars while he ate a small piece of a martian meteorite. I recall being stunned at the time, but I wouldn't even blink at such a thing today. Cheers, MDF On 8/16/09 3:18 PM, "Rob McCafferty" wrote: > Nothing unusual about this. > My first ever meteorite was a 25mg piece of Dhofar 1084. Tasting it was one of > the first things I did. > > I don't recal ever having tasted a martian though it is a distinct possibility > and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the experience. > > I can tell you that eucrite tastes like those cinder blocks that they use for > making homes, the really big grey ones....with a little sprinkling of iron > filings on top. > > You may be wondering how I know what cinder blocks or iron filings taste like > but I also believe you're intelligent enough to also have guessed the answer. > > It's a wonder I'm still alive. > > Rob > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Leigh Anne DelRay wrote: > >> From: Leigh Anne DelRay >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! >> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" , >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:32 PM >> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars >> Rocks!!!!! >> >> The latest trend: >> >> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg >> >> Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! >> >> >> Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon >> Rock >> >> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg >> >> And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. >> >> >> Just a little something to be silly, >> Leigh Anne >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, >> JoshuaTreeMuseum >> wrote: >>> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker- >>> 1278.php >>> >>> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. ?Just >> this morning I had a >>> bowl ?of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate >> the way the plagioclase >>> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >>> >>> Phil Whitmer >>> >>> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >>> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise >> has been, well ... >>> By Jay MacDonald >>> >>> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a >> chunk of space debris at >>> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life >> forever. >>> >>> >>> >>> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in >> his hands -- he has >>> tasted them. >>> >>> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock >> that I have purchased >>> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are >> all made of space >>> rock." >>> >>> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael >> Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, >>> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- >> on this planet >>> anyway. >>> >>> Building a rock-solid empire >>> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the >> University of Arizona >>> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and >> vaguely drifting toward a >>> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into >> the largest gem and >>> mineral show on earth. >>> >>> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so >> fascinated with it that it >>> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When >> I saw it, I thought, >>> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >>> >>> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site >> until he met an old-timer >>> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. >> His asking price: >>> $4,000 for the box. >>> >>> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and >> borrow to buy the box," >>> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the >> meteorites, I found that >>> that they were from a very rare collection, and I >> quadrupled my money on >>> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized >> you could actually >>> make money doing this." >>> >>> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the >> first of dozens of trips >>> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >>> >>> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From cynapse at charter.net Mon Aug 17 01:59:24 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:59:24 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: References: <475588.15110.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <80sh855qdm1mc3mearo6fdtf3iddsjuf3q@4ax.com> On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:47:53 -0700, you wrote: >The gent who wrote the Red Mars trilogy, Kim Stanley Robinson, wrote a short >appendix to one of the books in the series. The details are a little >sketchy to me now (been a while since I read them), but if I recall I did a scan of text-file versions of the 3 books of the Mars trilogy and this does not appear there. But it is a poem in the collection The Martians: http://www.amazon.com/Martians-Kim-Stanley-Robinson/dp/0553574019 A Report on the First Recorded Case of Areophagy for Terry Bisson On my forty-third birthday I was nearly done With Mars the drafts were in a shambles Beauty in a novel (as in everything) is An emergent property emerging Late in the process and before that all Is chaos and disorder but my hopes Were high I felt that it was coming Together I wanted the final push to be The convergence of everything I wanted Unreasonable things I had in my possession Some bits of Mars a gram or two of the SNC Meteorite that fell on Zagami Nigeria In October of 1962 after thirteen million years In space little grey chunks of rock Mounted in a necklace given to my wife I unscrewed the casing took out a chunk Climbed onto my roof at sunset A clear day crows flying back From the fields the coastal range dark To the west gilt clouds above it The vault still blue the wind fresh From the delta and there I was On the roofbeam of my house in the middle of My life in the open air about to eat a rock That if not fraudulent a piece of Jersey Was an actual chunk of the next planet out It felt odd even in the performance I have never been able to explain Myself but can only note that in the Attempt to imagine Mars I came to see Earth more clearly than ever before This beautiful world now alive With the drama of an everyday sunset Black birds sailing east in lines Under my feet my home the sun Touching the coastal range I put the rock in My mouth all went on as before No electric shiver that the sunset itself did not Provide no speaking in tongues I bit down It was too hard to break in my mouth Tongued it side to side tasted no taste Ran it over my teeth a little rock Most of it would pass through me But the stomach's fierce acids would Surely tear at the surface of the rock And some few atoms I hoped would stick As carbon incorporated into my bones For their seven-year cycle or For good perhaps and so I sat Digesting Mars and the view the sun Ablink through the Berryessa gap The wind rising each life has its trajectory Up and down in the shimmer of ordinary moments Sudden euphoria stab of grief the pattern dustdevil Funnelling down spiralling up in most Exquisite sensitive dependence On unknown factors that dusk nothing of the sort Happened it was a matter of will a Meditative discipline exerted day after Day for years to make a world Transparent in me and my mind at home And as I swallowed parts of another world This one wheeled about me like a veritable California The Reds' Lament They never got it right not any of them not ever never on Earth by definition nor hardly ever on Mars itself the way it was back in the beginning the way it was before we changed it The way the sky went red at dawn the way it felt to wake under the sun light in the self rock under boot .38 g even in our dreams and in our hopes for our children The way the way always came clear even in the worst of the gimcrack chaos Ariadne's thread appearing or not in the peripheral moment lost lost then found and walking on a sidewalk through the shattered land The way so much of it had to be inferred through the suits we walked in cut off from the touch of the world we watched like pilgrims in love from afar alight with fire in the body itself felt as a world the mind apulse in a living wire of thought tungsten in darkness the person as planet the surface of Mars the inside of our souls aware each to each and all to all The way we knew the way had changed and never again would remain the same long enough for us to understand it The way the place was just there the way you were just thinking stone there The way everything we thought we knew in the sky fell away and left us standing in the visible world patterned by wind to a horizon you could almost touch a little prince on a little world looking for The way the stars shone at noon on the flanks of the big volcanoes poking through the sky itself out into space we walked in space and on the sand at once and knew we knew we were not at home the way We always knew we were not at home we are visitors on this planet the Dalai Lama said on Earth we are here a century at most and during that time we must try to do something good something useful The way the Buddha did with our lives the way on Mars we always knew this always saw it in the bare face of the land under us the spur and gully shapes of our lives all bare of ornamentation red rock red dust the bare mineral here of now and we the animals standing in it Two Years We were brothers in those days you and I Mom off to work ten hours a day No child care no friends no family So off we went on our merry way To a nearby park walled by city streets Where Jamaican nannies watched us play One. eye on their charges all stunned by the heat Kids here and there mom following daughter Me following you so cautious and neat Hands gripped as you rose on the teeter-totter Intent as you stepped on the bouncy bridge Then tossed your head back burbling laughter When you reached solid ground and stood on the edge Looking back at the span you had crossed without falling Plop on the grass to eat our first lunch You tease as we eat your laughter upwelling Pretend to refuse your apple juice Knock it aside and laugh at its spilling And laugh again at the flight of a bluejay Off to used bookstores' dim musty aisles Retrieving the books you have pulled out and used To toss on the ground and collect people's smiles Until I stop you and you throw a fit And so into the backpack off hiking for miles Your forehead snug on the back of my neck Home then to microwave Mom's frozen milk So that when you wake ravenous for it I'll have tested the temperature with a lick And can lay you out in my elbow's nook And watch you suck to the last squick squick And then you nap again I write my book And for an hour I am on Mars Or sitting at my desk lost in thought as I look Down at the perpetual parade of cars Your cry wakes us both from this dream And we're back at it the movement of the stars No more regular than our routine Untellable tedium not just the diapers The spooning of food the screams But also the weekly pass of the street sweeper The hours together playing with blocks I set them up you knock them down nothing neater And all the time you learning to talk Glossolalia peppered with names Simple statements firm orders Let go walk Telling me to do things a game That made you laugh also knowing When things were in different ways the same Blue truck blue sky your face glowing With delight as your language grew Till description became a kind of telling Power I spit out the sun I sky the blue Sitting in that living room together Each in his own world surprised by new Things spaced out lost to each other Used to each other like Siamese twins Confined to the house by steamy weather _Me watching volleyball on ESPN Listening to Beethoven reading the Post You moving your trucks around babbling when You felt like it absorbed focused lost In your own space so fully that watching you I forgot my many selves collapsed to one and was most Happy the past is gone David I asked beloved of God do you remember Bethesda The way my mother would have Asked me Do you remember Zion And David looked at me curiously and said No Dad not really I know how the house looked but all That comes from pictures in Mom's albums you know Yes my first memory is not of Zion but California the Christmas I was three a brown Trike put together by my dad next to the tree but My dad tells me he bought the trike assembled How can we say what did or did not Happen David watching you I tremble You know the world are sophisticated You say you do not remember That time and now you know so much of hate Of anguish of death Will you ever again be so elated By the sight of swans swimming under the wharf Shrieking with laughter as they dive for tossed bread I hope we are these moments deeper than self Deeper than memory always connected Inside each other hoping I his helps hope stave off dread Brother of mine boy receding I will try to remember for us The lie time when you could be so purely happy I Say Goodbye to Mars Hiking alone in the Sierra Nevada I stopped one evening in Dragon Basin Above treeline by a small stream Trickling down a flaw in the granite On the floor of this crack were Lush little lawns green moss Furring the banks krummholz bonsai Clustering over low black falls Transparent water glossed on top Standing there I looked Over the fellfield basin a cupped Hand of stone catching rocks Inlaid with a tapestry of plants Lichen sedge and saxifrage Tippling green the pebble all bare Under jagged ridges splintering the sky Beside the rill I made my camp Ground cloth foam pad sleeping bag Pack for a pillow stove at my feet In the failing light my steaming dinner To the gurgle of water and the sky And the stars popping into existence Over the crest of the range still Alpenglow pink spiking indigo The line between the colours pulsing As they faded to two shades of black the number Of stars amazing the Milky Way perfectly Articulating my fall up and in to sleep And was never tired Dreamed the same dreams And heard the rockslides rattle and thunder In the throats of these living mountains Something woke rne I put on my glasses I lay looking up at stars and the Perseids Meteors darting across the starry black Every few heartbeats every direction Fast slow long short far near White or some a shade of red some Seeming to hiss slow down break up I ring great sparks away to the sides In their wakes I watched held by granite Entrained to a meteor shower beyond Any I had imagined possible the stars Still fixed in their places lighting The great shattered granite walls Of the basin all pale witness Together to fireworks one Ploughing the air right over the peaks Fizzing sparks over Fin Dome One shot down just overhead Wow ow I cried and sat up to look As a great BOOM knocked me into A dark land sparked by fire Fires burning My God I cried oh my God oh my God Struggling to get out of bag into boots On my feet out stumbling around a smell Like autumn leaves burning the past I took up my water bag and crashed about Quenching fires that reignited As I ran to the next oh my God And ran to the stream and stopped thinking That here was the action of my life Putting out fires where there was no wood Vision crisscrossed with afterimages Of the final fall green bolts In every blink of the eye finally I stood in the dark understanding There was no need to hurry I came to a chunk of vivid orange A stone standing alone on a slab A meteorite still glowing with heat I sat down before it I calmed my breathing Crosslegged I watched it glow I put my hand out to it I could feel its heat some distance Away the pure colour of fire Films feathering on its surface Incandescent in the night Illuminating the glacial polish Of the slab reflecting in that black Mirror the night quiet the air still Slightly smoky the stars again Fixed in their places the meteor Shower past its peak the stream Chuckling as it had all along Oblivious to the life in the sky A companion of sorts as I watched The burning visitation warm My hands as it filmed over Darkening in its orange Brilliance until it was both orange And black I went to get my sleeping Bag to drape me in my vigil Sleep gone again so many nights Like that but this time justified by My visitor cooling aglow black flakes Crusting over growing Orange darker underneath The moon rose over the jagged peaks Bathed the basin in its cool light Flecked the water in the stream Dark air holding invisible light The meteorite now black over orange Still warm still the centre Of all that basin dark on its slab Of Polished pale granite In the dawn the rock was purest black Of course I took it home with me And put it on the mantelpiece as a Memento of that night and a mark Of where we stand in the world but I will always remember how it felt The night it shot down out of the sky And it glowed orange as I sat beside it And it warmed me like a little sun BTW, I notice that a third book in Ben Bova's series of Mars books (the first of which came out around the same time as KSR's first Mars book) has recently been published: http://www.amazon.com/Mars-Life-Grand-Tour-Bova/dp/0765357240/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_2 From dave at fallingrocks.com Mon Aug 17 06:45:37 2009 From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:45:37 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] RSPOD - August 16, 2009 (updated) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6179B545248E48A3812C85176BF06CA5@meteorroom> Thanks for the photos, Michael. It was great having you over here in Georgia with some of the MAG gang, and we look forward to catching up again soon! All best, Dave -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:32 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] RSPOD - August 16, 2009 (updated) http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_16_2009.html __________________________ ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From raremeteorites at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 10:09:12 2009 From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-100 Auctions-Gather Around The Good Stuff! Message-ID: <616708.97217.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear List Members, This is just a quick note to let you know that I loaded several fantastic items on eBay this week. The majority of these items were started at just 99 cents, while others have very reasonably priced buy-it-nows or make an offer. Included in these listings are a planetary main mass, some fantastically prepared cabinet specimens and many other great items. Several are still at the opening bid price of just 99 cents! Please take a look; you will not be disappointed. All 100 Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, ------------------------------------ Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteorites at yahoo.com From eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon Aug 17 10:54:26 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:54:26 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Up to 50% Off Any Meteorite Purchase Message-ID: <4A896F22.9070905@meteoritesusa.com> Hi all, First come first served. Starts at 9am PDT today and end 9am PDT tomorrow 25% OFF individual meteorite purchases from our Ebay store: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Bits-Of-Earth-LLC_Meteorites_W0QQ_fsubZ18165848QQ_sidZ161661447QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322 Our Meteorite Auctions & Ebay Store Items: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/freel3orn Bulk Discounts $250 = 30% Off $350 = 35% Off $450 = 45% Off $500 = 50% Off This is it... No more discounts. Call or send me an email if you have any questions. Payment must be made within 24hrs. Will ship asap. 3-5 business days for delivery. Regards, Eric 904-236-5394 From eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon Aug 17 11:14:49 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:14:49 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Oh yeah... Calling all watchers... Message-ID: <4A8973E9.9000407@meteoritesusa.com> I've noticed over the last few weeks there's been LOTS of watchers on a bunch of my best meteorites I have listed on Ebay. I've relisted these specific items numerous times and each time there are LOADS of watchers but no buyers. To turn you watcher into buyers, if you are currently watching any of my pieces, you can take 30% off the piece you are watching. How will I know it's you? I won't really... but at least it'll motivate some of you watchers and bidders out there... Now stop watching and go bid or buy... 30% off is GOOD! Besides, if you don't buy it now, someone else will and all that watching will be in vain. Hope you enjoy the show! In case you forgot where the auctions are: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/freel3orn Regards, Eric P.S. You're actually gonna have to tell me you're a watcher to get the discount. ;) From damoclid at yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 11:24:37 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] WTB: Something KREEPy Message-ID: <724465.10472.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm rapidly closing in on completing my type set of mostly micros. I'm looking to obtain the last few specimens I need. Almost all of the remaining ones, while rarer, are available from some dealers, but the one type no one seems to have, especially in the size I'm looking for, seems to be locked away in cabinets. I'm looking for a small (10mg - 100mg) of a KREEP-rich specimen, such as NWA 4472. If you have a sample in this weight range that you'd be interested in parting with, or know who might have some for sale, please let me know off list. Since my budget is pretty strict, I can't consider anything much larger, but I have a little wiggle room for the right piece if we're close. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Mon Aug 17 13:53:58 2009 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:53:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for some Sam's Valley Message-ID: <512054F39F8042468B8706DA473FA0CE@Bandli1> Sorry if this posts twice! Good Morning List, I am looking for some Sam's Valley meteorite. Please contact me off-list with your price and size if you have some available. Best regards, Mike Bandli From m_graul at yahoo.de Mon Aug 17 14:33:24 2009 From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: large 1.2kg Seymchan pallasite endpiece with natural patina Message-ID: <605079.27596.qm@web26302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Dear List, in arround one hour end my auction of 1.2kg endpiece on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-SEYMCHAN-pallasite-large-polished-half-1209g_W0QQitemZ370241939808QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item563423a960&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Best Regards, Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 17 17:11:48 2009 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:11:48 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! References: Message-ID: <36DF9463EFC547B182A3C206C89DACA1@ATARIENGINE2> Hi, Marc, List, and all Mars Eaters Everywhere, The piece is actually a poem in "The Martians," a fourth volume or supplement to the Mars Trilogy. It is in a section entitled "If Wang Wei Lived on Mars and Other Poems." He eat a piece of Zagami on March 25, 1996, his 43rd birthday, shortly before the final drafts of the Trilogy were finished, as a kind of celebration. >From the date, it would seem he might have been one of the first to eat or at least taste Mars, and since he published about it, he was likely the first person we heard about doing it. I was, at any rate. Made me buy a Bessey speck a few years later and chow down. Sterling K. Webb ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fries, Marc D (3225)" To: Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! The gent who wrote the Red Mars trilogy, Kim Stanley Robinson, wrote a short appendix to one of the books in the series. The details are a little sketchy to me now (been a while since I read them), but if I recall correctly the appendix was titled, ?The First Recorded Instance of Aerophagy? and was about him sitting on his rooftop looking at Mars while he ate a small piece of a martian meteorite. I recall being stunned at the time, but I wouldn't even blink at such a thing today. Cheers, MDF On 8/16/09 3:18 PM, "Rob McCafferty" wrote: > Nothing unusual about this. > My first ever meteorite was a 25mg piece of Dhofar 1084. Tasting it > was one of > the first things I did. > > I don't recal ever having tasted a martian though it is a distinct > possibility > and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the experience. > > I can tell you that eucrite tastes like those cinder blocks that they > use for > making homes, the really big grey ones....with a little sprinkling of > iron > filings on top. > > You may be wondering how I know what cinder blocks or iron filings > taste like > but I also believe you're intelligent enough to also have guessed the > answer. > > It's a wonder I'm still alive. > > Rob > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Leigh Anne DelRay > wrote: > >> From: Leigh Anne DelRay >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! >> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" , >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:32 PM >> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars >> Rocks!!!!! >> >> The latest trend: >> >> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg >> >> Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! >> >> >> Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon >> Rock >> >> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg >> >> And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. >> >> >> Just a little something to be silly, >> Leigh Anne >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, >> JoshuaTreeMuseum >> wrote: >>> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker- >>> 1278.php >>> >>> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just >> this morning I had a >>> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate >> the way the plagioclase >>> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >>> >>> Phil Whitmer >>> >>> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >>> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise >> has been, well ... >>> By Jay MacDonald >>> >>> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a >> chunk of space debris at >>> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life >> forever. >>> >>> >>> >>> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in >> his hands -- he has >>> tasted them. >>> >>> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock >> that I have purchased >>> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are >> all made of space >>> rock." >>> >>> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael >> Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, >>> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- >> on this planet >>> anyway. >>> >>> Building a rock-solid empire >>> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the >> University of Arizona >>> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and >> vaguely drifting toward a >>> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into >> the largest gem and >>> mineral show on earth. >>> >>> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so >> fascinated with it that it >>> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When >> I saw it, I thought, >>> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >>> >>> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site >> until he met an old-timer >>> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. >> His asking price: >>> $4,000 for the box. >>> >>> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and >> borrow to buy the box," >>> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the >> meteorites, I found that >>> that they were from a very rare collection, and I >> quadrupled my money on >>> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized >> you could actually >>> make money doing this." >>> >>> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the >> first of dozens of trips >>> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >>> >>> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 17:33:15 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:33:15 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! In-Reply-To: <36DF9463EFC547B182A3C206C89DACA1@ATARIENGINE2> References: <36DF9463EFC547B182A3C206C89DACA1@ATARIENGINE2> Message-ID: Let the record show that - 1) Mars meteorites have zero calories per serving. 2) Mars meteorites have zero grams of fat and zero grams of transfats. 3) Mars meteorites are free of artificial flavors, preservatives and colorings. The same cannot be said for lunar meteorites because they contain a considerable amount of green cheese, which is high in fat and calories. Some years ago, I had attempted to patent a nutrition and diet bar whose key ingredients were unprocessed whole wheat and shergottite. I was immediately hit with a cease and desist by the M&M Mars group who had already marketed their Mars Bar. It is interesting to note that my patent would not be approved, despite the fact that the M&M Mars Bar contains no Mars at all - only terrestrial ingredients. I also tried to market a candy bar made from H3-6 chondrite and peanuts, but the makers of Zagnut put a stop to that as well. :( Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/17/09, Sterling K. Webb wrote: > Hi, Marc, List, and all Mars Eaters Everywhere, > > The piece is actually a poem in "The Martians," > a fourth volume or supplement to the Mars Trilogy. > It is in a section entitled "If Wang Wei Lived on Mars > and Other Poems." He eat a piece of Zagami on > March 25, 1996, his 43rd birthday, shortly before > the final drafts of the Trilogy were finished, as a > kind of celebration. > > >From the date, it would seem he might have been > one of the first to eat or at least taste Mars, and > since he published about it, he was likely the first > person we heard about doing it. I was, at any rate. > Made me buy a Bessey speck a few years later and > chow down. > > Sterling K. Webb > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fries, Marc D (3225)" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! > > > The gent who wrote the Red Mars trilogy, Kim Stanley Robinson, wrote a > short > appendix to one of the books in the series. The details are a little > sketchy to me now (been a while since I read them), but if I recall > correctly the appendix was titled, ?The First Recorded Instance of > Aerophagy? and was about him sitting on his rooftop looking at Mars > while he > ate a small piece of a martian meteorite. I recall being stunned at the > time, but I wouldn't even blink at such a thing today. > > Cheers, > MDF > > > On 8/16/09 3:18 PM, "Rob McCafferty" wrote: > >> Nothing unusual about this. >> My first ever meteorite was a 25mg piece of Dhofar 1084. Tasting it >> was one of >> the first things I did. >> >> I don't recal ever having tasted a martian though it is a distinct >> possibility >> and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the experience. >> >> I can tell you that eucrite tastes like those cinder blocks that they >> use for >> making homes, the really big grey ones....with a little sprinkling of >> iron >> filings on top. >> >> You may be wondering how I know what cinder blocks or iron filings >> taste like >> but I also believe you're intelligent enough to also have guessed the >> answer. >> >> It's a wonder I'm still alive. >> >> Rob >> >> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Leigh Anne DelRay >> wrote: >> >>> From: Leigh Anne DelRay >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! >>> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" , >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:32 PM >>> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars >>> Rocks!!!!! >>> >>> The latest trend: >>> >>> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg >>> >>> Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! >>> >>> >>> Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon >>> Rock >>> >>> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg >>> >>> And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. >>> >>> >>> Just a little something to be silly, >>> Leigh Anne >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, >>> JoshuaTreeMuseum >>> wrote: >>>> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker- >>>> 1278.php >>>> >>>> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just >>> this morning I had a >>>> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate >>> the way the plagioclase >>>> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >>>> >>>> Phil Whitmer >>>> >>>> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >>>> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise >>> has been, well ... >>>> By Jay MacDonald >>>> >>>> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a >>> chunk of space debris at >>>> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life >>> forever. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in >>> his hands -- he has >>>> tasted them. >>>> >>>> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock >>> that I have purchased >>>> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are >>> all made of space >>>> rock." >>>> >>>> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael >>> Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, >>>> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- >>> on this planet >>>> anyway. >>>> >>>> Building a rock-solid empire >>>> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the >>> University of Arizona >>>> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and >>> vaguely drifting toward a >>>> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into >>> the largest gem and >>>> mineral show on earth. >>>> >>>> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so >>> fascinated with it that it >>>> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When >>> I saw it, I thought, >>>> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >>>> >>>> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site >>> until he met an old-timer >>>> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. >>> His asking price: >>>> $4,000 for the box. >>>> >>>> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and >>> borrow to buy the box," >>>> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the >>> meteorites, I found that >>>> that they were from a very rare collection, and I >>> quadrupled my money on >>>> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized >>> you could actually >>>> make money doing this." >>>> >>>> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the >>> first of dozens of trips >>>> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >>>> >>>> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... 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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Mon Aug 17 17:41:24 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Researchers Make First Discovery of Life's Building Block in Comet (Stardust) Message-ID: <200908172141.n7HLfORe015157@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stardust/news/stardust_amino_acid.html NASA Researchers Make First Discovery of Life's Building Block in Comet NASA August 17, 2009 NASA scientists have discovered glycine, a fundamental building block of life, in samples of comet Wild 2 returned by NASA's Stardust spacecraft. "Glycine is an amino acid used by living organisms to make proteins, and this is the first time an amino acid has been found in a comet," said Dr. Jamie Elsila of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "Our discovery supports the theory that some of life's ingredients formed in space and were delivered to Earth long ago by meteorite and comet impacts." Elsila is the lead author of a paper on this research accepted for publication in the journal Meteoritics and Planetary Science. The research will be presented during the meeting of the American Chemical Society at the Marriott Metro Center in Washington, DC, August 16. "The discovery of glycine in a comet supports the idea that the fundamental building blocks of life are prevalent in space, and strengthens the argument that life in the universe may be common rather than rare," said Dr. Carl Pilcher, Director of the NASA Astrobiology Institute which co-funded the research. Proteins are the workhorse molecules of life, used in everything from structures like hair to enzymes, the catalysts that speed up or regulate chemical reactions. Just as the 26 letters of the alphabet are arranged in limitless combinations to make words, life uses 20 different amino acids in a huge variety of arrangements to build millions of different proteins. Stardust passed through dense gas and dust surrounding the icy nucleus of Wild 2 (pronounced "Vilt-2") on January 2, 2004. As the spacecraft flew through this material, a special collection grid filled with aerogel ??? a novel sponge-like material that's more than 99 percent empty space ??? gently captured samples of the comet's gas and dust. The grid was stowed in a capsule which detached from the spacecraft and parachuted to Earth on January 15, 2006. Since then, scientists around the world have been busy analyzing the samples to learn the secrets of comet formation and our solar system's history. "We actually analyzed aluminum foil from the sides of tiny chambers that hold the aerogel in the collection grid," said Elsila. "As gas molecules passed through the aerogel, some stuck to the foil. We spent two years testing and developing our equipment to make it accurate and sensitive enough to analyze such incredibly tiny samples." Earlier, preliminary analysis in the Goddard labs detected glycine in both the foil and a sample of the aerogel. However, since glycine is used by terrestrial life, at first the team was unable to rule out contamination from sources on Earth. "It was possible that the glycine we found originated from handling or manufacture of the Stardust spacecraft itself," said Elsila. The new research used isotopic analysis of the foil to rule out that possibility. Isotopes are versions of an element with different weights or masses; for example, the most common carbon atom, Carbon 12, has six protons and six neutrons in its center (nucleus). However, the Carbon 13 isotope is heavier because it has an extra neutron in its nucleus. A glycine molecule from space will tend to have more of the heavier Carbon 13 atoms in it than glycine that's from Earth. That is what the team found. "We discovered that the Stardust-returned glycine has an extraterrestrial carbon isotope signature, indicating that it originated on the comet," said Elsila. The team includes Dr. Daniel Glavin and Dr. Jason Dworkin of NASA Goddard. "Based on the foil and aerogel results it is highly probable that the entire comet-exposed side of the Stardust sample collection grid is coated with glycine that formed in space," adds Glavin. "The discovery of amino acids in the returned comet sample is very exciting and profound," said Stardust Principal Investigator Professor Donald E. Brownlee of the University of Washington, Seattle, Wash. "It is also a remarkable triumph that highlights the advancing capabilities of laboratory studies of primitive extraterrestrial materials." The research was funded by the NASA Stardust Sample Analysis program and the NASA Astrobiology Institute. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., manages the Stardust mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, developed and operated the spacecraft. To learn more about the mission, visit http://stardustnext.jpl.nasa.gov/ . For more about the NASA Goddard astrobiology team, visit http://astrobiology.gsfc.nasa.gov/analytical . Bill Steigerwald NASA Goddard Space Flight Center From gmhupe at htn.net Mon Aug 17 18:02:42 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:02:42 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! References: <36DF9463EFC547B182A3C206C89DACA1@ATARIENGINE2> Message-ID: <98A1F39D8CE94BF9A8CB83CF719A0813@Gregor> Hi Mike, I guess you can not do "Pop Rocks" either :-/ Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Sterling K. Webb" Cc: "Fries, Marc D (3225)" ; Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! Let the record show that - 1) Mars meteorites have zero calories per serving. 2) Mars meteorites have zero grams of fat and zero grams of transfats. 3) Mars meteorites are free of artificial flavors, preservatives and colorings. The same cannot be said for lunar meteorites because they contain a considerable amount of green cheese, which is high in fat and calories. Some years ago, I had attempted to patent a nutrition and diet bar whose key ingredients were unprocessed whole wheat and shergottite. I was immediately hit with a cease and desist by the M&M Mars group who had already marketed their Mars Bar. It is interesting to note that my patent would not be approved, despite the fact that the M&M Mars Bar contains no Mars at all - only terrestrial ingredients. I also tried to market a candy bar made from H3-6 chondrite and peanuts, but the makers of Zagnut put a stop to that as well. :( Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/17/09, Sterling K. Webb wrote: > Hi, Marc, List, and all Mars Eaters Everywhere, > > The piece is actually a poem in "The Martians," > a fourth volume or supplement to the Mars Trilogy. > It is in a section entitled "If Wang Wei Lived on Mars > and Other Poems." He eat a piece of Zagami on > March 25, 1996, his 43rd birthday, shortly before > the final drafts of the Trilogy were finished, as a > kind of celebration. > > >From the date, it would seem he might have been > one of the first to eat or at least taste Mars, and > since he published about it, he was likely the first > person we heard about doing it. I was, at any rate. > Made me buy a Bessey speck a few years later and > chow down. > > Sterling K. Webb > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fries, Marc D (3225)" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! > > > The gent who wrote the Red Mars trilogy, Kim Stanley Robinson, wrote a > short > appendix to one of the books in the series. The details are a little > sketchy to me now (been a while since I read them), but if I recall > correctly the appendix was titled, ?The First Recorded Instance of > Aerophagy? and was about him sitting on his rooftop looking at Mars > while he > ate a small piece of a martian meteorite. I recall being stunned at the > time, but I wouldn't even blink at such a thing today. > > Cheers, > MDF > > > On 8/16/09 3:18 PM, "Rob McCafferty" wrote: > >> Nothing unusual about this. >> My first ever meteorite was a 25mg piece of Dhofar 1084. Tasting it >> was one of >> the first things I did. >> >> I don't recal ever having tasted a martian though it is a distinct >> possibility >> and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the experience. >> >> I can tell you that eucrite tastes like those cinder blocks that they >> use for >> making homes, the really big grey ones....with a little sprinkling of >> iron >> filings on top. >> >> You may be wondering how I know what cinder blocks or iron filings >> taste like >> but I also believe you're intelligent enough to also have guessed the >> answer. >> >> It's a wonder I'm still alive. >> >> Rob >> >> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Leigh Anne DelRay >> wrote: >> >>> From: Leigh Anne DelRay >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer Eats Moon & Mars Rocks! >>> To: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" , >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:32 PM >>> Leigh Anne DelRay Snorts Mars >>> Rocks!!!!! >>> >>> The latest trend: >>> >>> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/snortingmars.jpg >>> >>> Yes that was a real Mars rock, thanks to Mexico Doug! >>> >>> >>> Oh Yes! And I too, have tasted (although not eaten) a moon >>> Rock >>> >>> http://www.callistodesigns.com/ebay/licking-the-moon.jpg >>> >>> And yes that was a real Moon rock, thanks to Greg Hupe'. >>> >>> >>> Just a little something to be silly, >>> Leigh Anne >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, >>> JoshuaTreeMuseum >>> wrote: >>>> http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/michael-farmer-meteorite-broker- >>>> 1278.php >>>> >>>> I too often chow down on these tasty morsels. Just >>> this morning I had a >>>> bowl of crunchy anorthosite cereal, though I hate >>> the way the plagioclase >>>> feldspar sticks between your teeth! >>>> >>>> Phil Whitmer >>>> >>>> Meet Michael Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy >>>> In the exclusive world of meteorite brokers, his rise >>> has been, well ... >>>> By Jay MacDonald >>>> >>>> Twelve years ago, a stock boy at Target purchased a >>> chunk of space debris at >>>> the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that changed his life >>> forever. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> He has not only held pieces of the moon and Mars in >>> his hands -- he has >>>> tasted them. >>>> >>>> "I've eaten a piece of every moon rock and Mars rock >>> that I have purchased >>>> or found, just to say I did it," he chuckles. "We are >>> all made of space >>>> rock." >>>> >>>> Welcome to the out-of-this-world life of Michael >>> Farmer, aka Meteorite Guy, >>>> one of only about 20 professional meteorite brokers -- >>> on this planet >>>> anyway. >>>> >>>> Building a rock-solid empire >>>> Farmer was a 25-year-old college student attending the >>> University of Arizona >>>> on the G.I. Bill, stocking shelves part time and >>> vaguely drifting toward a >>>> career with the CIA when he happened to wander into >>> the largest gem and >>>> mineral show on earth. >>>> >>>> "I bought a rock (meteorite) for $70 and got so >>> fascinated with it that it >>>> changed the course of my life," Farmer recalls. "When >>> I saw it, I thought, >>>> 'Wow, I'm holding a piece of outer space!'" >>>> >>>> Anxious to find more, he scoured the gem show site >>> until he met an old-timer >>>> who had a box of 40 meteorites hidden under the table. >>> His asking price: >>>> $4,000 for the box. >>>> >>>> "I had no money at the time, so I had to beg and >>> borrow to buy the box," >>>> Farmer recalls. "When I started researching the >>> meteorites, I found that >>>> that they were from a very rare collection, and I >>> quadrupled my money on >>>> those stones in about 48 hours. That's when I realized >>> you could actually >>>> make money doing this." >>>> >>>> Within a year, Farmer had earned enough to make the >>> first of dozens of trips >>>> to Africa, initially focusing on the Sahara Desert. >>>> >>>> Why the desert? Prepare to be mentally humbled. >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mikewren at gilanet.com Mon Aug 17 20:50:07 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... Message-ID: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Hello, On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on whatever you like. SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I remember correctly). This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple and FUN. Any questions, feel free to ask. Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From parkforestmet at hotmail.com Tue Aug 18 00:35:38 2009 From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> References: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Message-ID: HELLO, HELLO.... I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. > From: mikewren at gilanet.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... > > Hello, > > On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These > were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping > spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most > auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as > many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and > you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on > whatever you like. > > SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: > > http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ > > > The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) > shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I > remember correctly). > > This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to > all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email > questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. > I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when > I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! > > Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as > possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. > After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request > that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will > then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins > before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place > within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as > you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple > and FUN. > > > Any questions, feel free to ask. > > Thanks and Best Wishes > > Michael Cottingham > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery From geeg48 at msn.com Tue Aug 18 02:21:33 2009 From: geeg48 at msn.com (GREG LINDH) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:21:33 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: References: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Message-ID: Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you what....I wish eveyone dealer gave deals as good as Michael Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've bought off of him has been quality merchandise that other dealers would have charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other small collectors) may this List be blessed by many more Cottingham Auctions. Regards, Greg Lindh > From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > To: mikewren at gilanet.com > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > > > HELLO, HELLO.... > > I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. > > >> From: mikewren at gilanet.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 >> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... >> >> Hello, >> >> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These >> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping >> spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most >> auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as >> many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and >> you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on >> whatever you like. >> >> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: >> >> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ >> >> >> The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) >> shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I >> remember correctly). >> >> This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to >> all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email >> questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. >> I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when >> I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! >> >> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as >> possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. >> After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request >> that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will >> then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins >> before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place >> within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as >> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple >> and FUN. >> >> >> Any questions, feel free to ask. >> >> Thanks and Best Wishes >> >> Michael Cottingham >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. > http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From vk3ukf at hotmail.com Tue Aug 18 02:54:33 2009 From: vk3ukf at hotmail.com (Kevin Forbes) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:54:33 +1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars eaters Message-ID: Hi folks, this eating and tasting has been going on for a long time, I myself ate some Mars in the late 1980s or early 1990s in front of Tom the cactus/meteorite man at Springvale in Melbourne. Previously mentioned a couple of years ago. A lot of minerals have taste, and I like to use all my available senses if possible. ----------------------------------------- Kevin Forbes vk3ukf at hotmail.com Wed Jan 17 00:58:49 EST 2007 Previous message: [meteorite-list] eaten meteorite Next message: [meteorite-list] Meteor strikes Alex City house? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] --------------------------------- Hi, that's funny. I'm not so silly after all. ?? Well, maybe I am, but, I ate some dust and crumbs that came from a bit Zagami some years ago, that I obtained from Rob Haag. I must admit to not noticing any differnce between normal Earth rock dirt taste and Zagami at all. It didn't have any Martian flavouring in it whatsoever, and I gave it a good suck too. Yes I do eat dirt and rocks occasionally, I like to see what all of my senses have to offer, when I'm looking at minerals, crystals and so on. Try tasting a small sample of a mineral called pickeringite, I found some about 50 miles from here at the end of an old gold mine drive. Slate with pyrites were the country rock. Just in case you can't find any, it's like allum. From memory, I think it's an hydrous iron sulphate. OOOoooooo........ <<<< My mouth when tasting pickeringite. Cheers, Kevin, VK3UKF. ------------------------------- So, is there now a name for folks that taste minerals. As you can see, I often suck rocks if I think there may be some indicator apart from rockish. If the sample contains salts, it will have flavour. I don't suck every rock I find or get, can't imagine giving cinnabar or saleeite or good lick. I missed the start of this thread, of to find it. Kevin. _________________________________________________________________ Use Windows Live Messenger from your Hotmail inbox Web IM has arrived! http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 From eric at meteoritesusa.com Tue Aug 18 03:24:43 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:24:43 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: References: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Message-ID: <4A8A573B.7040301@meteoritesusa.com> Hear Hear! I would love to see more ADs... Go figure right... ;) lol Maybe we could have a "Happy AD Day!" where all dealers would post happy ads all on one day just for all those ad lovers out there... I think we should. Regards to all and to all a happy ad day to come... Keep it coming Michael, Mike M., Adam, Greg, Farmer, McCartney, Dave G, Jason, Dean, Rob, Mirko, Blood, Gary, Martin, Steve #1, Steve #2 too, Geoff, Mike B, Brian, Mike G, Greg C. and of course you're bound to see more from me. Eric GREG LINDH wrote: > > > Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you what....I wish eveyone dealer gave deals as good as Michael Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've bought off of him has been quality merchandise that other dealers would have charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. > Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other small collectors) may this List be blessed by many more Cottingham Auctions. > > Regards, > Greg Lindh > > > > > >> From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com >> To: mikewren at gilanet.com >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 >> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! >> >> >> HELLO, HELLO.... >> >> I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. >> >> >> >>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These >>> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping >>> spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most >>> auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as >>> many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and >>> you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on >>> whatever you like. >>> >>> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: >>> >>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ >>> >>> >>> The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) >>> shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I >>> remember correctly). >>> >>> This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to >>> all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email >>> questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. >>> I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when >>> I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! >>> >>> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as >>> possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. >>> After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request >>> that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will >>> then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins >>> before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place >>> within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as >>> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple >>> and FUN. >>> >>> >>> Any questions, feel free to ask. >>> >>> Thanks and Best Wishes >>> >>> Michael Cottingham >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From erikfwebb at msn.com Tue Aug 18 03:38:32 2009 From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:38:32 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars eaters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just stay away from the NWA's or you might end up eating a camel turd! [Erik] > From: vk3ukf at hotmail.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:54:33 +1000 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars eaters > > > > Hi folks, this eating and tasting has been going on for a long time, I myself ate some Mars in the late 1980s or early 1990s in front of Tom the cactus/meteorite man at Springvale in Melbourne. > > Previously mentioned a couple of years ago. > > A lot of minerals have taste, and I like to use all my available senses if possible. > > ----------------------------------------- > > Kevin Forbes vk3ukf at hotmail.com > Wed Jan 17 00:58:49 EST 2007 > Previous message: [meteorite-list] eaten meteorite > Next message: [meteorite-list] Meteor strikes Alex City house? > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > --------------------------------- > Hi, that's funny. > I'm not so silly after all. > ?? > Well, maybe I am, but, > I ate some dust and crumbs that came from a bit Zagami some years ago, that > I obtained from Rob Haag. > I must admit to not noticing any differnce between normal Earth rock dirt > taste and Zagami at all. > It didn't have any Martian flavouring in it whatsoever, and I gave it a good > suck too. > Yes I do eat dirt and rocks occasionally, I like to see what all of my > senses have to offer, when I'm looking at minerals, crystals and so on. Try > tasting a small sample of a mineral called pickeringite, I found some about > 50 miles from here at the end of an old gold mine drive. Slate with pyrites > were the country rock. > Just in case you can't find any, it's like allum. From memory, I think it's > an hydrous iron sulphate. > > OOOoooooo........ <<<< My mouth when tasting pickeringite. > Cheers, Kevin, VK3UKF. > > ------------------------------- > > So, is there now a name for folks that taste minerals. > As you can see, I often suck rocks if I think there may be some indicator apart from rockish. > > If the sample contains salts, it will have flavour. > > I don't suck every rock I find or get, can't imagine giving cinnabar or saleeite or good lick. > > I missed the start of this thread, of to find it. > > Kevin. > _________________________________________________________________ > Use Windows Live Messenger from your Hotmail inbox Web IM has arrived! > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 18 08:01:48 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:01:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Moissanite Message-ID: Dear List, I'm curious if any have been faithful to our meteorite passion and made a jewellery purchase with moissanite? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite I've had a look at these gems, and they are quite spectacular! Also, for the discerning shopper, cheaper than diamonds. Cheers, Pete _________________________________________________________________ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Tue Aug 18 08:13:54 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:13:54 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 18, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_18_2009.html __________________________ From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 08:29:03 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway Message-ID: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From nuuska at dlc.fi Tue Aug 18 08:56:35 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:56:35 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Moissanite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8AA503.5090205@dlc.fi> Today nearly all moissanites (silicon-carbide) on the market are man made, and older diamond-testers can?t find the difference between diamond and moissanite (had to buy another tester, and it wasn?t cheap). So I?m not a very big fan of moissanite ;-) Natural moissanite is very rare, and it?s also very difficult to find out, if stone is synthetich or natural. Usually they are syntetichs, think natural moissenite it priced higher than diamond. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_carbide best, pekka s Pete Pete kirjoitti: > > Dear List, > > I'm curious if any have been faithful to our meteorite passion and made a jewellery purchase with moissanite? > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite > > I've had a look at these gems, and they are quite spectacular! > Also, for the discerning shopper, cheaper than diamonds. > > Cheers, > Pete > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.408 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: 08/18/09 06:03:00 > > -- Pekka Savolainen Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Rasala FINLAND member of IMCA #5776 www.imca.cc From garychase at live.com Tue Aug 18 10:30:14 2009 From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:30:14 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway In-Reply-To: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What ever it is........... I'll Take it. Thanks Stevie. Gary > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:29:03 -0700 > From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway > > > > > > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 From cynapse at charter.net Tue Aug 18 11:52:40 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:52:40 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway In-Reply-To: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This isn't clear-- are you giving away Steve Arnold, or Chicago? On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:29:03 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > > > >?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From eric at meteoritesusa.com Tue Aug 18 10:54:45 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:54:45 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Researchers Discover Life's Building Block in Comet Message-ID: <4A8AC0B5.9070703@meteoritesusa.com> Nancy Neal Jones / Bill Steigerwald Goddard Space Flight Center, Md. 301 286 0039 / 5017 RELEASE : 09-100AR SOURCE: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2009/09-100AR.html August 17th 2009 NASA Researchers Discover Life's Building Block in Comet MOFFETT FIELD, Calif. -- NASA scientists have discovered glycine, a fundamental building block of life, in samples of comet Wild 2 returned by NASA's Stardust spacecraft. "Glycine is an amino acid used by living organisms to make proteins, and this is the first time an amino acid has been found in a comet," said Jamie Elsila of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. "Our discovery supports the theory that some of life's ingredients formed in space and were delivered to Earth long ago by meteorite and comet impacts." Elsila is the lead author of a paper on this research accepted for publication in the journal Meteoritics and Planetary Science. The research was presented during the meeting of the American Chemical Society at the Marriott Metro Center, Washington, DC, Aug. 16, 2009. "The discovery of glycine in a comet supports the idea that the fundamental building blocks of life are prevalent in space, and strengthens the argument that life in the universe may be common rather than rare," said Carl Pilcher, director of the NASA Astrobiology Institute headquartered at NASA Ames Research Center, which co-funded the research. Proteins are the workhorse molecules of life, used in everything from structures like hair to enzymes, the catalysts that speed up or regulate chemical reactions. Just as the 26 letters of the alphabet are arranged in limitless combinations to make words, life uses 20 different amino acids in a huge variety of arrangements to build millions of different proteins. Stardust passed through dense gas and dust surrounding the icy nucleus of Wild 2 (pronounced "Vilt-2") on January 2, 2004. As the spacecraft flew through this material, a special collection grid filled with aerogel ? a novel sponge-like material that's more than 99 percent empty space ? gently captured samples of the comet's gas and dust. The grid was stowed in a capsule which detached from the spacecraft and parachuted to Earth on January 15, 2006. Since then, scientists around the world have been busy analyzing the samples to learn the secrets of comet formation and our solar system's history. "We actually analyzed aluminum foil from the sides of tiny chambers that hold the aerogel in the collection grid," said Elsila. "As gas molecules passed through the aerogel, some stuck to the foil. We spent two years testing and developing our equipment to make it accurate and sensitive enough to analyze such incredibly tiny samples." Earlier, preliminary analysis in the Goddard labs detected glycine in both the foil and a sample of the aerogel. However, since glycine is used by terrestrial life, at first the team was unable to rule out contamination from sources on Earth. "It was possible that the glycine we found originated from handling or manufacture of the Stardust spacecraft itself," said Elsila. The new research used isotopic analysis of the foil to rule out that possibility. Isotopes are versions of an element with different weights or masses; for example, the most common carbon atom, Carbon 12, has six protons and six neutrons in its center (nucleus). However, the Carbon 13 isotope is heavier because it has an extra neutron in its nucleus. A glycine molecule from space will tend to have more of the heavier Carbon 13 atoms in it than glycine that's from Earth. That is what the team found. "We discovered that the Stardust-returned glycine has an extraterrestrial carbon isotope signature, indicating that it originated on the comet," said Elsila. The team includes Daniel Glavin and Jason Dworkin of NASA Goddard. "Based on the foil and aerogel results it is highly probable that the entire comet-exposed side of the Stardust sample collection grid is coated with glycine that formed in space," adds Glavin. "The discovery of amino acids in the returned comet sample is very exciting and profound," said Stardust Principal Investigator Professor Donald E. Brownlee of the University of Washington, Seattle, Wash. "It is also a remarkable triumph that highlights the advancing capabilities of laboratory studies of primitive extraterrestrial materials." The research was funded by the NASA Stardust Sample Analysis program and the NASA Astrobiology Institute. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., manages the Stardust mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, developed and operated the spacecraft. For images, refer to: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stardust/news/stardust_amino_acid.html NASA Discovers Life's Building Blocks 1st Delivered to Earth By Meteorite & Comets http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/08/nasa-discovery-lifes-building-blocks-1st-delivered-to-earth-by-meteorite-comets.html Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com From meteoritemike at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 10:55:16 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:55:16 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway In-Reply-To: References: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The freebie is a tutorial on internet mail filtering! Congratulations. Cut paste this email address into your blocking filter - stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Your enjoyment of the list will immediately increase after doing this. :) On 8/18/09, Gary Chase wrote: > > What ever it is........... I'll Take it. > > Thanks Stevie. > > Gary > > >> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:29:03 -0700 >> From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway >> >> >> >> >> >> Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on > Facebook. > http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 11:02:54 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Soon... Message-ID: <11060.94690.qm@web46416.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> http://www.meteoritetreasurehunt.info http://www.meteoritetreasurehunt.info http://www.meteoritetreasurehunt.info From mpg4444 at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 12:21:13 2009 From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:21:13 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway In-Reply-To: References: <580043.6678.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I thought he was supposed to be working now? Or maybe staring at the new tatoo on his ........... Has to be a tatoo of himself. It is all about him you know. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > The freebie is a tutorial on internet mail filtering! ?Congratulations. > > Cut paste this email address into your blocking filter - > stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com > > Your enjoyment of the list will immediately increase after doing this. :) > > > On 8/18/09, Gary Chase wrote: >> >> What ever it is........... ? I'll Take it. >> >> Thanks Stevie. >> >> Gary >> >> >>> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:29:03 -0700 >>> From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] big freebie givaway >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on >> Facebook. >> http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From meteorites at online.nl Tue Aug 18 12:13:33 2009 From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:13:33 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] 3 Arctic pieces on Ebay....... Message-ID: Listoids, I have listed 3 Antartica fragments on Ebay. Enjoy... http://cgi.ebay.com/Antarctica-Meteorite-Collection-3-in-one-sale_W0QQitemZ170373452217QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ab0c91b9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Cheers, Jan IMCA #9833 From mail at mhmeteorites.com Tue Aug 18 12:15:50 2009 From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:15:50 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results Message-ID: <20090818091550.vy3k1q0zt8go4c80@webmail.mhmeteorites.com> From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Tue Aug 18 12:11:53 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 18 Aug 2009 16:11:53 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 18, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_18_2009.html www.meteorite-recon.com writes: "An unusual feature in Nuevo Mercurio is the presence of irregular pores or 'vugs' (approx 10 vol. percent) into which crystals of the various phases intrude. (No, we won't cut the specimen to test said claim)." And you don't have to cut that beautiful specimen because one look at a cut slice of Nuevo Mercurio under a microscope immediately reveals these pores or vugs and gives you the impression you are looking at Mount Tazerzait or Baszk?wka. Best wishes from seething hot Southern Germany, Bernd From mqfowler at mac.com Tue Aug 18 13:38:11 2009 From: mqfowler at mac.com (Michael Fowler) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:38:11 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results Message-ID: Thanks Matt, My take on the results is that the auction was very well bid with many items selling for fair to high prices. I bid on one lot at more than twice the high estimate, and did not get it. Perhaps Michael Blood will comment on this auction in an upcoming "Meteorite Market Trends". Mike Fowler Chicago From mail at mhmeteorites.com Tue Aug 18 13:39:11 2009 From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:39:11 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results Message-ID: <141250970-1250617223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1040152250-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I bid on several, only to lose the 5 of the items by 100 pounds. Frustrating. Wish there was a better interface for this auction. Matt ------Original Message------ From: Michael Fowler Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Cc: Michael Fowler Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results Sent: Aug 18, 2009 11:38 AM Thanks Matt, My take on the results is that the auction was very well bid with many items selling for fair to high prices. I bid on one lot at more than twice the high estimate, and did not get it. Perhaps Michael Blood will comment on this auction in an upcoming "Meteorite Market Trends". Mike Fowler Chicago ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 14:18:25 2009 From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] fake/bogus ebay auctions In-Reply-To: <670364.59006.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <670364.59006.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <999104.77050.qm@web43411.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks Ted, Ill post it on the SkyRock cafe today. Thanks for the heads up. Best, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com ----- Original Message ---- From: ted brattstrom To: Joe Kerchner Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:48:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] fake/bogus ebay auctions Aloha - Not being a registered member, and I don't really need another bunch of stuff to read - I noticed: 'albert_yap' - Rare Nepal Himalayas Chondrite Meteorite Sky Stone II What he has there is a (not so Rare) Akaash Dhunga = Sky Stone. Local story is that they are associated with Lightning/Thunder, often "plough up the ground", and are found at the end of a ploughed up area... They become religious objects... Interestingly - they are all in the shape of / similar to, small adze/axes reminiscent of the neolithic... I have a small collection of them that I got when I returned to Nepal in 1988 - I worked there as a Peace Corps volunteer, and hadn't seen one when I was there '78-82 ... in '88 one or two stores in Kathmandu had a few. Alas - they are not magnetic (though, Maybe I should go back and check my stash with a stronger magnet) While it would be cool if they really were meteorites - I doubt it :-) :-) To his credit - Sky Stones - is the local name... chondrite, however, is dubious. You are welcome to post that on the Cafe... and if you need pics of a selection of them, let me know. cheers - Ted Brattstrom --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Joe Kerchner wrote: > From: Joe Kerchner > Subject: [meteorite-list] fake/bogus ebay auctions > To: "meteorite list" > Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 1:02 PM > hello listees, > A heads up to everyone, you can see and or > list any ebay auctions that are suspect and are selling > bogus stones and trying to pass them off as meteorites or > listing them as something other than what they are. > If you see a seller listing a meteorite for > something other than what it really is or a fake, it would > be helpful to newbies and everyone for you to post a link to > that auction here: > http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?board=ebay > Thanks, > Joe Kerchner > http://illinoismeteorites.com > http://skyrock.com > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From rlenssen at planet.nl Tue Aug 18 14:43:10 2009 From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:43:10 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find Message-ID: <1AC8F6B47093440189EAB8F189427782@EIGENAARNJEQJY> Dear List, I received a new meteorite directly from a Moroccan dealer last week, that looks remarkably fresh. The dealer told me the 314g stone was broken in (three) fragments by the nomad who found it. Also the name of the town of find was provided. My first thought was that it would be one of recent years falls. The dealer insists it's not. As I thought the price to be OK, I decided to buy. I "studied" the pieces, and compared them to my Bassikounou: The material looks whiter than Bassikounou (that again looks whiter (less grey) than Chergach to me). It has a lot of free iron (more than visible in the photographs) and few visible larger chondrules. Based on the free iron, I would not expect it to be LL like Bensour. Tested with a magnet, it is attracted strongly, but slightly less than Bassikounou an H-type chondrite. And last, the crust has almost no dust (fine sand) contamination, like Bassikounou typically has. My question is how to deal with this stone, with respect to classification. Does this stone deserve more than the standard NWA classification? Should for instance terrestrial age be determined? I would appreciate some guidance from List members who are (professionally) involved in meteorite research. http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/314g/314g-NWA.html Kind regards, Rob Lenssen From gmhupe at htn.net Tue Aug 18 14:54:50 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:54:50 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find References: <1AC8F6B47093440189EAB8F189427782@EIGENAARNJEQJY> Message-ID: Hello Rob, That is a very nice and fresh stone. I would say it does not represent any of the recent NWA falls. I would send it in to have it classified, and request the classifying scientist to have the terrestrial age dating performed by an approved lab. Obviously it will not get a distinct name without witnesses and GPS coords, but I think that it would be worth classifying. Good luck with it! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find > Dear List, > > I received a new meteorite directly from a Moroccan dealer last week, that > looks remarkably fresh. > > The dealer told me the 314g stone was broken in (three) fragments by the > nomad who found it. Also the name of the town of find was provided. > > My first thought was that it would be one of recent years falls. > The dealer insists it's not. > As I thought the price to be OK, I decided to buy. > > I "studied" the pieces, and compared them to my Bassikounou: > The material looks whiter than Bassikounou (that again looks whiter (less > grey) than Chergach to me). > It has a lot of free iron (more than visible in the photographs) and few > visible larger chondrules. > Based on the free iron, I would not expect it to be LL like Bensour. > Tested with a magnet, it is attracted strongly, but slightly less than > Bassikounou an H-type chondrite. > And last, the crust has almost no dust (fine sand) contamination, like > Bassikounou typically has. > > My question is how to deal with this stone, with respect to > classification. > Does this stone deserve more than the standard NWA classification? > Should for instance terrestrial age be determined? > I would appreciate some guidance from List members who are > (professionally) involved in meteorite research. > > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/314g/314g-NWA.html > > Kind regards, > Rob Lenssen > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From tricottetcoll at live.com Tue Aug 18 15:43:25 2009 From: tricottetcoll at live.com (The Tricottet Collection) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:43:25 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Remaining meteorites/impact kits available for sale/trade Message-ID: Dear list members, I have listed on the following link all the remaining meteorites from my collection, which are available for sale or trade. Offers will be considered. For trades, I'm only looking for meteorites with painted number. Highlights: Very nice full slices from Forest City, Campos Sales..., Sculpted Vaca Muerta, Large Gao and Kunya Urgench, St Michel from Helsinki museum, the 100/200 Garza impact kit... Much more on the link below http://s887.photobucket.com/albums/ac80/tricottetcoll/?albumview=slideshow&track=share_email_album_view_click Thank you for your interest, ArnaudM _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 16:04:05 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - NEW EBAY ITEMS LISTED Message-ID: <781687.87234.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi to all, I just listed some nice stuff on ebay for 5-7 day listings. I qill be listing more over the next day or two, so check back to see whats new. Visit my ebay listings here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 Thanks for looking, Greg C. www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 16:10:05 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] SORRY LIST Message-ID: <498080.59278.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all.I am sorry about this morning.I meant to say I am having the largest freebie session ever.I have endcuts ans slices.I have alot so come one come all. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From garychase at live.com Tue Aug 18 16:40:57 2009 From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:40:57 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] SORRY LIST In-Reply-To: <498080.59278.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <498080.59278.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Put me on your mailing list Steve. I am always in the mood for free stuff. I don't even care if I don't really want it. I will just sell it on ebay! Thanks Steve, you are the greatest ! Gary ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:10:05 -0700 > From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] SORRY LIST > > Hi all.I am sorry about this morning.I meant to say I am having the largest freebie session ever.I have endcuts ans slices.I have alot so come one come all. > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 18 17:14:01 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:14:01 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Re : Moissanite In-Reply-To: <412407.78469.qm@web24704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <412407.78469.qm@web24704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Roger and all, Here are some of the pictures I found impressive: http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=moissanite&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=moissanite&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi Cheers Pete ________________________________ > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:10:03 +0000 > From: warinroger at yahoo.fr > Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Moissanite > To: rsvp321 at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > > > Hi Pete, all, > > > > A large number of polytypes of moissanite is known, predominantly hexagonal or rhombohedral. It is an essential difference compared to the diamond and it is cheap to observe Moissanite trough a microscope. > Thus, Moissanite is dichroic (birefingence), unlike the diamond. It appears therefore a duplication of the edges of the faces when we see the stone under the microscope. > The white color of moissanite is not as white as diamonds of the highest quality (Class D). But the refracted colors are more intense. > > * Hardness: 9.25 - 9,50 > * Refractive index : Diamond : 2.417 > > Moissanite : 2.65 ? 2.69. > > > > First occurrence: Canyon Diablo meteorite, Meteor Crater. > > > > The probability of forming diamond on Earth is higher than the formation of Moissanite. As against meteorites can prevail conditions of pressure and temperature on a larger scale in comparison with Earth, it seems natural that the presence of Moissanite is favored in some meteorites. Indeed, scattering of carbon (C) and silicon (Si) in asteroids is larger than in the kimberlite cones. > > You can see a pic of an artificial Moissanite ("brilliant-cut? & diameter 6.5 mm, 1.00 carat). > It is difficult to shoot moissanite because the gemstone is a light trap. It seems black. > > > > http://s590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/Pierreponce_2009/ > > > > Roger. > > > ________________________________ > De : Pete Pete > ? : meteoritelist meteoritelist > Envoy? le : Mardi, 18 Ao?t 2009, 14h01mn 48s > Objet : [meteorite-list] Moissanite > > > > Dear List, > > I'm curious if any have been faithful to our meteorite passion and made a jewellery purchase with moissanite? > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite > > I've had a look at these gems, and they are quite spectacular! > Also, for the discerning shopper, cheaper than > diamonds. > > Cheers, > Pete > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 From nuuska at dlc.fi Tue Aug 18 18:07:45 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:07:45 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Re : Moissanite In-Reply-To: References: <412407.78469.qm@web24704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A8B2631.6020105@dlc.fi> this is great, and seems genuine (not the stones) ;-) http://www.moissanite-mania.com/moissanite-mania.jpg Sorry, but as a gemmologist to me synthetic moissanite is same as synthetic meteorites as a met-collector... Have never had natural moissanite in my hand, and lab-created is starting to be a problem on the jewelry -market. Anyway, great-looking stones, but not gemstones to me, just replicas. best, pekka s Pete Pete kirjoitti: > > Hi, Roger and all, > > Here are some of the pictures I found impressive: > > http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=moissanite&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi > http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=moissanite&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi > > Cheers > Pete > > > ________________________________ > >> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:10:03 +0000 >> From: warinroger at yahoo.fr >> Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Moissanite >> To: rsvp321 at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> >> >> >> >> Hi Pete, all, >> >> >> >> A large number of polytypes of moissanite is known, predominantly hexagonal or rhombohedral. It is an essential difference compared to the diamond and it is cheap to observe Moissanite trough a microscope. >> Thus, Moissanite is dichroic (birefingence), unlike the diamond. It appears therefore a duplication of the edges of the faces when we see the stone under the microscope. >> The white color of moissanite is not as white as diamonds of the highest quality (Class D). But the refracted colors are more intense. >> >> * Hardness: 9.25 - 9,50 >> * Refractive index : Diamond : 2.417 >> >> Moissanite : 2.65 ? 2.69. >> >> >> >> First occurrence: Canyon Diablo meteorite, Meteor Crater. >> >> >> >> The probability of forming diamond on Earth is higher than the formation of Moissanite. As against meteorites can prevail conditions of pressure and temperature on a larger scale in comparison with Earth, it seems natural that the presence of Moissanite is favored in some meteorites. Indeed, scattering of carbon (C) and silicon (Si) in asteroids is larger than in the kimberlite cones. >> >> You can see a pic of an artificial Moissanite ("brilliant-cut? & diameter 6.5 mm, 1.00 carat). >> It is difficult to shoot moissanite because the gemstone is a light trap. It seems black. >> >> >> >> http://s590.photobucket.com/albums/ss348/Pierreponce_2009/ >> >> >> >> Roger. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> De : Pete Pete >> ? : meteoritelist meteoritelist >> Envoy? le : Mardi, 18 Ao?t 2009, 14h01mn 48s >> Objet : [meteorite-list] Moissanite >> >> >> >> Dear List, >> >> I'm curious if any have been faithful to our meteorite passion and made a jewellery purchase with moissanite? >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite >> >> I've had a look at these gems, and they are quite spectacular! >> Also, for the discerning shopper, cheaper than >> diamonds. >> >> Cheers, >> Pete >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! >> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ > Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.408 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: 08/18/09 06:03:00 > > -- Pekka Savolainen Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Rasala FINLAND member of IMCA #5776 www.imca.cc From parkforestmet at hotmail.com Tue Aug 18 18:09:49 2009 From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:09:49 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: References: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Message-ID: I've never purchased from mc. I've heard many list members compliment his prices. It's good that you can haggle with him if this is so. Point is that he casts the bait pretty high fishing for suckers. If you're an informed buyer and you can deal it's great, but if you're new you can get ripped... Yes, it's acceptable to do business that way. Buyer beware and all that. No, it doesn't help anyone in the longrun but mc. I like the idea about adday although I fear it would be abused. I'm sure that mc is a complicated man and does understand. "Who's the black private dick That's a sex machine to all the chicks? SHAFT! Ya damn right! Who is the man that would risk his neck For his brother man? SHAFT! Can you dig it? Who's the cat that won't cop out When there's danger all about? SHAFT! Right On! They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother SHUT YOUR MOUTH! I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft. THEN WE CAN DIG IT! He's a complicated man But no one understands him but his woman JOHN SHAFT!" > From: geeg48 at msn.com > To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:21:33 -0700 > > > > > Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you what....I wish eveyone dealer gave deals as good as Michael Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've bought off of him has been quality merchandise that other dealers would have charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. > Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other small collectors) may this List be blessed by many more Cottingham Auctions. > > Regards, > Greg Lindh > > > > >> From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com >> To: mikewren at gilanet.com >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 >> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! >> >> >> HELLO, HELLO.... >> >> I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. >> >> >>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These >>> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping >>> spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most >>> auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as >>> many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and >>> you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on >>> whatever you like. >>> >>> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: >>> >>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ >>> >>> >>> The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) >>> shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I >>> remember correctly). >>> >>> This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to >>> all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email >>> questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. >>> I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when >>> I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! >>> >>> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as >>> possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. >>> After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request >>> that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will >>> then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins >>> before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place >>> within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as >>> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple >>> and FUN. >>> >>> >>> Any questions, feel free to ask. >>> >>> Thanks and Best Wishes >>> >>> Michael Cottingham >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> _________________________________________________________________ >> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From jbaxter112 at pol.net Tue Aug 18 18:50:29 2009 From: jbaxter112 at pol.net (James Baxter) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2144007896.638581250635829439.JavaMail.root@zmcs01l-pol-08.portal.webmd.com> Hi Rob, Greg, That really does look like a fall; beautiful stone. It reminds me of Bensour a bit, although I didn't see evidenve of brecciation which is pretty prominent in the Bensour I have seen. Any chance it could be from that fall? Regards, Jim Baxter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Hupe" To: "Rob Lenssen" , Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:54:50 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find Hello Rob, That is a very nice and fresh stone. I would say it does not represent any of the recent NWA falls. I would send it in to have it classified, and request the classifying scientist to have the terrestrial age dating performed by an approved lab. Obviously it will not get a distinct name without witnesses and GPS coords, but I think that it would be worth classifying. Good luck with it! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find > Dear List, > > I received a new meteorite directly from a Moroccan dealer last week, that > looks remarkably fresh. > > The dealer told me the 314g stone was broken in (three) fragments by the > nomad who found it. Also the name of the town of find was provided. > > My first thought was that it would be one of recent years falls. > The dealer insists it's not. > As I thought the price to be OK, I decided to buy. > > I "studied" the pieces, and compared them to my Bassikounou: > The material looks whiter than Bassikounou (that again looks whiter (less > grey) than Chergach to me). > It has a lot of free iron (more than visible in the photographs) and few > visible larger chondrules. > Based on the free iron, I would not expect it to be LL like Bensour. > Tested with a magnet, it is attracted strongly, but slightly less than > Bassikounou an H-type chondrite. > And last, the crust has almost no dust (fine sand) contamination, like > Bassikounou typically has. > > My question is how to deal with this stone, with respect to > classification. > Does this stone deserve more than the standard NWA classification? > Should for instance terrestrial age be determined? > I would appreciate some guidance from List members who are > (professionally) involved in meteorite research. > > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/314g/314g-NWA.html > > Kind regards, > Rob Lenssen > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 18:52:21 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <228984.82835.qm@web46416.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Honestly, I would rather see many posts with this: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ Then the many posts complaining about this: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ so for those that dont want to see this: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ they can visit this: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 and the problem should be solved. but please, no more of this, becouse of this http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ ; ) Greg C. --- On Tue, 8/18/09, bill kies wrote: > From: bill kies > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > To: geeg48 at msn.com > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 6:09 PM > > I've never purchased from mc. I've heard many list members > compliment his prices. It's good that you can haggle with > him if this is so. Point is that he casts the bait pretty > high fishing for suckers. If you're an informed buyer and > you can deal it's great, but if you're new you can get > ripped... > > Yes, it's acceptable to do business that way. Buyer beware > and all that. No, it doesn't help anyone in the longrun but > mc. > I like the idea about adday although I fear it would be > abused. > > I'm sure that mc is a complicated man and does understand. > > "Who's the black private dick > That's a sex machine to all the chicks? > SHAFT! > Ya damn right! > > Who is the man that would risk his neck > For his brother man? > SHAFT! > Can you dig it? > > Who's the cat that won't cop out > When there's danger all about? > SHAFT! > Right On! > > They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother > SHUT YOUR MOUTH! > I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft. > THEN WE CAN DIG IT! > > He's a complicated man > But no one understands him but his woman > JOHN SHAFT!" > > > > > From: geeg48 at msn.com > > To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU > CAN!!! > > Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:21:33 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you what....I > wish eveyone dealer gave deals as good as Michael > Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've bought off of him has > been quality merchandise that other dealers would have > charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. > > Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other > small collectors) may this List be blessed by many more > Cottingham Auctions. > > > > Regards, > > Greg Lindh > > > > > > > > > >> From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > >> To: mikewren at gilanet.com > >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 > >> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS > YOU CAN!!! > >> > >> > >> HELLO, HELLO.... > >> > >> I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. > >> > >> > >>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com > >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 > >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For > List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You > Will Win... > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 > Auctions ending. These > >>> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am > offering a $300.00 shopping > >>> spree in my ebay store to which ever list > member wins the most > >>> auctions. A pretty simple game with big > rewards. Just bid and win as > >>> many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of > the most auctions and > >>> you then can go shopping in my ebay store and > use the $300.00 on > >>> whatever you like. > >>> > >>> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: > >>> > >>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ > >>> > >>> > >>> The last game was a big, big success and I > gave out 2($250.00) > >>> shopping sprees and one other shopping spree > for $150.00 (If I > >>> remember correctly). > >>> > >>> This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. > My last one was open to > >>> all ebayers, but that was just a little > overwhelming with email > >>> questions. However, the game brought many new > people into meteorites. > >>> I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay > store each month and when > >>> I ran the game the last time my visits > exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! > >>> > >>> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as > many auctions as > >>> possible. There are some really nice > meteorites out there this week. > >>> After the auctions are over, I will notify the > winner and I request > >>> that you paypal me the $$$ for the won > auctions within 1 hour. I will > >>> then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. > YOU MUST PAY for your wins > >>> before you can go shopping and I need the > shopping to take place > >>> within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. > Win as many auctions as > >>> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then > go shopping! Simple > >>> and FUN. > >>> > >>> > >>> Any questions, feel free to ask. > >>> > >>> Thanks and Best Wishes > >>> > >>> Michael Cottingham > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ______________________________________________ > >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and > share your photos. > >> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery > >> ______________________________________________ > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From meteoritekid at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 18:33:16 2009 From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:33:16 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results In-Reply-To: <141250970-1250617223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1040152250-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <141250970-1250617223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1040152250-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <93aaac890908181533m5a638017i6fa2262d4964b950@mail.gmail.com> What might be interesting to note is the error on the auctioneer's website. The auction started at 1pm GMT, not the advertised 2pm GMT. Time in the UK isn't on GMT, because of daylight savings, and the auction thus started an hour earlier than was advertised online. Seems to me that Rob might have solid grounds for a lawsuit. Jason On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Matt Morgan wrote: > I bid on several, only to lose the 5 of the items by 100 pounds. Frustrating. ?Wish there was a better interface for this auction. > Matt > ------Original Message------ > From: Michael Fowler > Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Cc: Michael Fowler > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results > Sent: Aug 18, 2009 11:38 AM > > ?> > > Thanks Matt, > > My take on the results is that the auction was very well bid with many > items selling for fair to high prices. ?I bid on one lot at more than > twice the high estimate, and did not get it. > Perhaps Michael Blood will comment on this auction in an upcoming > "Meteorite Market Trends". > > Mike Fowler > Chicago > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From meteoritemike at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 19:04:38 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:04:38 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find In-Reply-To: <2144007896.638581250635829439.JavaMail.root@zmcs01l-pol-08.portal.webmd.com> References: <2144007896.638581250635829439.JavaMail.root@zmcs01l-pol-08.portal.webmd.com> Message-ID: Whatever it is, it looks very very fresh. I'd be elated if I came across a stone like that, in-situ or in my mailbox. :) On 8/18/09, James Baxter wrote: > Hi Rob, Greg, > > That really does look like a fall; beautiful stone. > > It reminds me of Bensour a bit, although I didn't see evidenve of > brecciation which is pretty prominent in the Bensour I have seen. Any chance > it could be from that fall? > > Regards, > Jim Baxter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Hupe" > To: "Rob Lenssen" , Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:54:50 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh > find > > Hello Rob, > > That is a very nice and fresh stone. I would say it does not represent any > of the recent NWA falls. I would send it in to have it classified, and > request the classifying scientist to have the terrestrial age dating > performed by an approved lab. Obviously it will not get a distinct name > without witnesses and GPS coords, but I think that it would be worth > classifying. > > Good luck with it! > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Lenssen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:43 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find > > >> Dear List, >> >> I received a new meteorite directly from a Moroccan dealer last week, that >> >> looks remarkably fresh. >> >> The dealer told me the 314g stone was broken in (three) fragments by the >> nomad who found it. Also the name of the town of find was provided. >> >> My first thought was that it would be one of recent years falls. >> The dealer insists it's not. >> As I thought the price to be OK, I decided to buy. >> >> I "studied" the pieces, and compared them to my Bassikounou: >> The material looks whiter than Bassikounou (that again looks whiter (less >> grey) than Chergach to me). >> It has a lot of free iron (more than visible in the photographs) and few >> visible larger chondrules. >> Based on the free iron, I would not expect it to be LL like Bensour. >> Tested with a magnet, it is attracted strongly, but slightly less than >> Bassikounou an H-type chondrite. >> And last, the crust has almost no dust (fine sand) contamination, like >> Bassikounou typically has. >> >> My question is how to deal with this stone, with respect to >> classification. >> Does this stone deserve more than the standard NWA classification? >> Should for instance terrestrial age be determined? >> I would appreciate some guidance from List members who are >> (professionally) involved in meteorite research. >> >> http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/314g/314g-NWA.html >> >> Kind regards, >> Rob Lenssen >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From gmhupe at htn.net Tue Aug 18 19:10:35 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:10:35 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! References: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Message-ID: Hello "bill kies", What exactly is the purpose of wasting all of our time with your "SHAFT" rant. Completely unnecessary, and to be honest, why the am I even replying to your garbage??!! That said, do us all a favor and disappear! You have never contributed anything worthwhile to the List! Always negative crap about someone else and now some 'weed-induced' rant most likely from your watching the "Woodstock" documentary on TV last night! Give it a rest, or at least put the bong down for a week to gather your thoughts! You talk about advertising Spam from others, but it is the repetitive Delusional Spam we get from you that is 10 times worse than anything you are bitching about! If you want to get even with, "The Man", or give him the, "SHAFT", go buy Mike Farmer's eBay auctions ending today for 1 cent each!! That way you can puff up your shoulders, tell "mc" you have "SHAFT'd" him by auctions you have won from "mf" for pennies on the dollar, and then go home and watch the movie, "Romancing the Stone" to feel good about yourself and your new prizes! ...Tired of the negative cry-baby actions of one loud jerk ruining what was a nice summer afternoon!! Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill kies" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > > I've never purchased from mc. I've heard many list members compliment his > prices. It's good that you can haggle with him if this is so. Point is > that he casts the bait pretty high fishing for suckers. If you're an > informed buyer and you can deal it's great, but if you're new you can get > ripped... > > Yes, it's acceptable to do business that way. Buyer beware and all that. > No, it doesn't help anyone in the longrun but mc. > I like the idea about adday although I fear it would be abused. > > I'm sure that mc is a complicated man and does understand. > > "Who's the black private dick > That's a sex machine to all the chicks? > SHAFT! > Ya damn right! > > Who is the man that would risk his neck > For his brother man? > SHAFT! > Can you dig it? > > Who's the cat that won't cop out > When there's danger all about? > SHAFT! > Right On! > > They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother > SHUT YOUR MOUTH! > I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft. > THEN WE CAN DIG IT! > > He's a complicated man > But no one understands him but his woman > JOHN SHAFT!" > > > >> From: geeg48 at msn.com >> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com >> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:21:33 -0700 >> >> >> >> >> Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you what....I wish eveyone >> dealer gave deals as good as Michael Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've >> bought off of him has been quality merchandise that other dealers would >> have charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. >> Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other small collectors) may >> this List be blessed by many more Cottingham Auctions. >> >> Regards, >> Greg Lindh >> >> >> >> >>> From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com >>> To: mikewren at gilanet.com >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 >>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! >>> >>> >>> HELLO, HELLO.... >>> >>> I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. >>> >>> >>>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 >>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS >>>> MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These >>>> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping >>>> spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most >>>> auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as >>>> many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and >>>> you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on >>>> whatever you like. >>>> >>>> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: >>>> >>>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ >>>> >>>> >>>> The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) >>>> shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I >>>> remember correctly). >>>> >>>> This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to >>>> all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email >>>> questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. >>>> I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when >>>> I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! >>>> >>>> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as >>>> possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. >>>> After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request >>>> that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will >>>> then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins >>>> before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place >>>> within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as >>>> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple >>>> and FUN. >>>> >>>> >>>> Any questions, feel free to ask. >>>> >>>> Thanks and Best Wishes >>>> >>>> Michael Cottingham >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >>> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From parkforestmet at hotmail.com Tue Aug 18 19:45:13 2009 From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:45:13 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: References: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Message-ID: I'm sorry you feel this way Greg. I think you misunderstood the shaft thing but then again you and your brother have always been quick to label things before you give them much thought. I remember all your old "hippie" posts and I don't appreciate this crap insinuating I use drugs as of course I do not. Typical Hupe nonsense. Long hair = drug use. You are sniveling not me. Please excuse the fact that I don't boast about my feeble meteoric accomplishments on this list. I've made a few. Ever heard of humility? Bill I could care less about Woodstock although I do regret missing it. I didn't see the show. It appears you are dwelling on this sort of thing. > From: gmhupe at htn.net > To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com; geeg48 at msn.com > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:10:35 -0400 > > Hello "bill kies", > > What exactly is the purpose of wasting all of our time with your "SHAFT" > rant. Completely unnecessary, and to be honest, why the am I even replying > to your garbage??!! That said, do us all a favor and disappear! You have > never contributed anything worthwhile to the List! Always negative crap > about someone else and now some 'weed-induced' rant most likely from your > watching the "Woodstock" documentary on TV last night! Give it a rest, or at > least put the bong down for a week to gather your thoughts! > > You talk about advertising Spam from others, but it is the repetitive > Delusional Spam we get from you that is 10 times worse than anything you are > bitching about! > > If you want to get even with, "The Man", or give him the, "SHAFT", go buy > Mike Farmer's eBay auctions ending today for 1 cent each!! That way you can > puff up your shoulders, tell "mc" you have "SHAFT'd" him by auctions you > have won from "mf" for pennies on the dollar, and then go home and watch the > movie, "Romancing the Stone" to feel good about yourself and your new > prizes! > > ...Tired of the negative cry-baby actions of one loud jerk ruining what was > a nice summer afternoon!! > > Greg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill kies" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > > >> >> I've never purchased from mc. I've heard many list members compliment his >> prices. It's good that you can haggle with him if this is so. Point is >> that he casts the bait pretty high fishing for suckers. If you're an >> informed buyer and you can deal it's great, but if you're new you can get >> ripped... >> >> Yes, it's acceptable to do business that way. Buyer beware and all that. >> No, it doesn't help anyone in the longrun but mc. >> I like the idea about adday although I fear it would be abused. >> >> I'm sure that mc is a complicated man and does understand. >> >> "Who's the black private dick >> That's a sex machine to all the chicks? >> SHAFT! >> Ya damn right! >> >> Who is the man that would risk his neck >> For his brother man? >> SHAFT! >> Can you dig it? >> >> Who's the cat that won't cop out >> When there's danger all about? >> SHAFT! >> Right On! >> >> They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother >> SHUT YOUR MOUTH! >> I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft. >> THEN WE CAN DIG IT! >> >> He's a complicated man >> But no one understands him but his woman >> JOHN SHAFT!" >> >> >> >>> From: geeg48 at msn.com >>> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com >>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:21:33 -0700 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you what....I wish eveyone >>> dealer gave deals as good as Michael Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've >>> bought off of him has been quality merchandise that other dealers would >>> have charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. >>> Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other small collectors) may >>> this List be blessed by many more Cottingham Auctions. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Greg Lindh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com >>>> To: mikewren at gilanet.com >>>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 >>>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> HELLO, HELLO.... >>>> >>>> I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com >>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 >>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS >>>>> MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These >>>>> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping >>>>> spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most >>>>> auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as >>>>> many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and >>>>> you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on >>>>> whatever you like. >>>>> >>>>> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: >>>>> >>>>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) >>>>> shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I >>>>> remember correctly). >>>>> >>>>> This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to >>>>> all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email >>>>> questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. >>>>> I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when >>>>> I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as >>>>> possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. >>>>> After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request >>>>> that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will >>>>> then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins >>>>> before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place >>>>> within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as >>>>> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple >>>>> and FUN. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Any questions, feel free to ask. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks and Best Wishes >>>>> >>>>> Michael Cottingham >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >>>> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. >> http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Tue Aug 18 19:47:51 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:47:51 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: References: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Message-ID: This email was totally uncalled for, and I found it very offensive and in poor taste. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > To: geeg48 at msn.com > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:09:49 -0500 > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > > > I've never purchased from mc. I've heard many list members compliment his prices. It's good that you can haggle with him if this is so. Point is that he casts the bait pretty high fishing for suckers. If you're an informed buyer and you can deal it's great, but if you're new you can get ripped... > > Yes, it's acceptable to do business that way. Buyer beware and all that. No, it doesn't help anyone in the longrun but mc. > I like the idea about adday although I fear it would be abused. > > I'm sure that mc is a complicated man and does understand. > > "Who's the black private dick > That's a sex machine to all the chicks? > SHAFT! > Ya damn right! > > Who is the man that would risk his neck > For his brother man? > SHAFT! > Can you dig it? > > Who's the cat that won't cop out > When there's danger all about? > SHAFT! > Right On! > > They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother > SHUT YOUR MOUTH! > I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft. > THEN WE CAN DIG IT! > > He's a complicated man > But no one understands him but his woman > JOHN SHAFT!" > > > >> From: geeg48 at msn.com >> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com >> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:21:33 -0700 >> >> >> >> >> Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you what....I wish eveyone dealer gave deals as good as Michael Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've bought off of him has been quality merchandise that other dealers would have charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. >> Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other small collectors) may this List be blessed by many more Cottingham Auctions. >> >> Regards, >> Greg Lindh >> >> >> >> >>> From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com >>> To: mikewren at gilanet.com >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 >>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! >>> >>> >>> HELLO, HELLO.... >>> >>> I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. >>> >>> >>>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 >>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These >>>> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping >>>> spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most >>>> auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as >>>> many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and >>>> you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on >>>> whatever you like. >>>> >>>> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: >>>> >>>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ >>>> >>>> >>>> The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) >>>> shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I >>>> remember correctly). >>>> >>>> This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to >>>> all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email >>>> questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. >>>> I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when >>>> I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! >>>> >>>> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as >>>> possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. >>>> After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request >>>> that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will >>>> then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins >>>> before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place >>>> within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as >>>> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple >>>> and FUN. >>>> >>>> >>>> Any questions, feel free to ask. >>>> >>>> Thanks and Best Wishes >>>> >>>> Michael Cottingham >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >>> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery From jkg2 at cox.net Tue Aug 18 20:37:58 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:37:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: References: <97424B2B-85B4-4D5B-8F7B-A8870813FE36@gilanet.com> Message-ID: <20090819003812.MZZK21106.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> I'm in total agreement. How long with this List tolerate Bill Kies garbage? John Gwilliam At 04:47 PM 8/18/2009, Greg Stanley wrote: >This email was totally uncalled for, and I found it very >offensive and in poor taste. > > > >Greg S. > > > >---------------------------------------- > > From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > > To: geeg48 at msn.com > > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:09:49 -0500 > > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > > > > > > I've never purchased from mc. I've heard many list members > compliment his prices. It's good that you can haggle with him if > this is so. Point is that he casts the bait pretty high fishing for > suckers. If you're an informed buyer and you can deal it's great, > but if you're new you can get ripped... > > > > Yes, it's acceptable to do business that way. Buyer beware and > all that. No, it doesn't help anyone in the longrun but mc. > > I like the idea about adday although I fear it would be abused. > > > > I'm sure that mc is a complicated man and does understand. > > > > "Who's the black private dick > > That's a sex machine to all the chicks? > > SHAFT! > > Ya damn right! > > > > Who is the man that would risk his neck > > For his brother man? > > SHAFT! > > Can you dig it? > > > > Who's the cat that won't cop out > > When there's danger all about? > > SHAFT! > > Right On! > > > > They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother > > SHUT YOUR MOUTH! > > I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft. > > THEN WE CAN DIG IT! > > > > He's a complicated man > > But no one understands him but his woman > > JOHN SHAFT!" > > > > > > > >> From: geeg48 at msn.com > >> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > >> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:21:33 -0700 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you what....I wish > eveyone dealer gave deals as good as Michael Cottingham's. All of > the stuff I've bought off of him has been quality merchandise that > other dealers would have charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. > >> Speaking for myself (and most likely all the other small > collectors) may this List be blessed by many more Cottingham Auctions. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Greg Lindh > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > >>> To: mikewren at gilanet.com > >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 > >>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > >>> > >>> > >>> HELLO, HELLO.... > >>> > >>> I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com > >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 -0700 > >>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Game For List Members Only! > WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN and You Will Win... > >>>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These > >>>> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping > >>>> spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most > >>>> auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as > >>>> many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and > >>>> you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on > >>>> whatever you like. > >>>> > >>>> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: > >>>> > >>>> > http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The last game was a big, big success and I gave out 2($250.00) > >>>> shopping sprees and one other shopping spree for $150.00 (If I > >>>> remember correctly). > >>>> > >>>> This time the game is FOR LIST MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to > >>>> all ebayers, but that was just a little overwhelming with email > >>>> questions. However, the game brought many new people into meteorites. > >>>> I have about 20,000 people who visit my ebay store each month and when > >>>> I ran the game the last time my visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! > >>>> > >>>> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and win as many auctions as > >>>> possible. There are some really nice meteorites out there this week. > >>>> After the auctions are over, I will notify the winner and I request > >>>> that you paypal me the $$$ for the won auctions within 1 hour. I will > >>>> then give you the thumbs up to go shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins > >>>> before you can go shopping and I need the shopping to take place > >>>> within 24 hours of paying me through paypal. Win as many auctions as > >>>> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up and then go shopping! Simple > >>>> and FUN. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Any questions, feel free to ask. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks and Best Wishes > >>>> > >>>> Michael Cottingham > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ______________________________________________ > >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>> _________________________________________________________________ > >>> With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. > >>> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery > >>> ______________________________________________ > >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > > > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >_________________________________________________________________ >With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 18 20:46:44 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:46:44 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! Message-ID: WOW!! Thank you for the links, Greg! You and Michael Cottingham always have great stuff on ebay. I notice Michael's auctions are coming up in two days! For those who may have missed them: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ and, http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 Carl Greg wrote: >Honestly, I would rather see many posts with this: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ Then the many posts complaining about this: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ so for those that dont want to see this: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ they can visit this: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 and the problem should be solved. but please, no more of this, becouse of this http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ ; ) Greg C. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 From deanbessey at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 20:52:11 2009 From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! In-Reply-To: <20090819003812.MZZK21106.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <528700.21099.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Yeah, this list has been pretty much cleaned up and for the last year and a half a single black blotch has been keeping this list from becoming a respectible list again like it was 10 years ago when many scientists were happy to post and be a part of the list and not worry about being associated with scumbags. All culprets in the mud slinging except one has started creating a new community spirit again on this list. I think I speak for almost everybody when I say that we wish Bill would go away and let us have our meteorite list back and not continue with the mud slinging list. If there is one person that should be banned it is Bill. Go away, you are not wanted here Sincerely DEAN --- On Tue, 8/18/09, John Gwilliam wrote: > From: John Gwilliam > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > To: "Greg Stanley" , parkforestmet at hotmail.com, geeg48 at msn.com > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 5:37 PM > I'm in total agreement. How long with > this List tolerate Bill Kies garbage? > > John Gwilliam > > At 04:47 PM 8/18/2009, Greg Stanley wrote: > > > > > > > > This email was totally uncalled for, and I found it > very > > offensive and in poor taste. > > > > > > > > Greg S. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > > > To: geeg48 at msn.com > > > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:09:49 -0500 > > > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS > YOU CAN!!! > > > > > > > > > I've never purchased from mc. I've heard many > list members compliment his prices. It's good that you can > haggle with him if this is so. Point is that he casts the > bait pretty high fishing for suckers. If you're an informed > buyer and you can deal it's great, but if you're new you can > get ripped... > > > > > > Yes, it's acceptable to do business that way. > Buyer beware and all that. No, it doesn't help anyone in the > longrun but mc. > > > I like the idea about adday although I fear it > would be abused. > > > > > > I'm sure that mc is a complicated man and does > understand. > > > > > > "Who's the black private dick > > > That's a sex machine to all the chicks? > > > SHAFT! > > > Ya damn right! > > > > > > Who is the man that would risk his neck > > > For his brother man? > > > SHAFT! > > > Can you dig it? > > > > > > Who's the cat that won't cop out > > > When there's danger all about? > > > SHAFT! > > > Right On! > > > > > > They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother > > > SHUT YOUR MOUTH! > > > I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft. > > > THEN WE CAN DIG IT! > > > > > > He's a complicated man > > > But no one understands him but his woman > > > JOHN SHAFT!" > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: geeg48 at msn.com > > >> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > > >> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > >> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH > AS YOU CAN!!! > > >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:21:33 -0700 > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Honestly, what is the problem? I'll tell you > what....I wish eveyone dealer gave deals as good as Michael > Cottingham's. All of the stuff I've bought off of him has > been quality merchandise that other dealers would have > charged me 2 to 3 times as much for. > > >> Speaking for myself (and most likely all the > other small collectors) may this List be blessed by many > more Cottingham Auctions. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> Greg Lindh > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com > > >>> To: mikewren at gilanet.com > > >>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:35:38 -0500 > > >>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS > MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> HELLO, HELLO.... > > >>> > > >>> I am NOT a jerk or an ad spammer. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com > > >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > >>>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:50:07 > -0700 > > >>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New > Game For List Members Only! WIN AS MANY AUCTIONS AS YOU CAN > and You Will Win... > > >>>> > > >>>> Hello, > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I > have 49 Auctions ending. These > > >>>> were all started out at 0.99 cents. I > am offering a $300.00 shopping > > >>>> spree in my ebay store to which ever > list member wins the most > > >>>> auctions. A pretty simple game with > big rewards. Just bid and win as > > >>>> many of those 49 auctions and be the > winner of the most auctions and > > >>>> you then can go shopping in my ebay > store and use the $300.00 on > > >>>> whatever you like. > > >>>> > > >>>> SEE ALL AUCTIONS HERE: > > >>>> > > >>>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> The last game was a big, big success > and I gave out 2($250.00) > > >>>> shopping sprees and one other > shopping spree for $150.00 (If I > > >>>> remember correctly). > > >>>> > > >>>> This time the game is FOR LIST > MEMBERS ONLY. My last one was open to > > >>>> all ebayers, but that was just a > little overwhelming with email > > >>>> questions. However, the game brought > many new people into meteorites. > > >>>> I have about 20,000 people who visit > my ebay store each month and when > > >>>> I ran the game the last time my > visits exceeded 20,000 just for 5 days! > > >>>> > > >>>> Anyway, the rules are simple. Try and > win as many auctions as > > >>>> possible. There are some really nice > meteorites out there this week. > > >>>> After the auctions are over, I will > notify the winner and I request > > >>>> that you paypal me the $$$ for the > won auctions within 1 hour. I will > > >>>> then give you the thumbs up to go > shopping. YOU MUST PAY for your wins > > >>>> before you can go shopping and I need > the shopping to take place > > >>>> within 24 hours of paying me through > paypal. Win as many auctions as > > >>>> you can. Pay me pronto. Get thumbs up > and then go shopping! Simple > > >>>> and FUN. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Any questions, feel free to ask. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks and Best Wishes > > >>>> > > >>>> Michael Cottingham > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > ______________________________________________ > > >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list > > >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >>> > _________________________________________________________________ > > >>> With Windows Live, you can organize, > edit, and share your photos. > > >>> http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery > > >>> > ______________________________________________ > > >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list > > >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback > for you. > > > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > > > ______________________________________________ > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share > your photos. > > http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > John Gwilliam > > Too many people were born on third base > and go through life thinking they hit a triple. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mqfowler at mac.com Tue Aug 18 21:04:07 2009 From: mqfowler at mac.com (Michael Fowler) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:04:07 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! Message-ID: <2208FEDE-5ECA-4D09-9E88-20EF188EB487@mac.com> Greg, Bill Kies quoting the lyrics of "Shaft" went right over my head. I didn't see the relevance, where as, I think you went completely off the deep end with your reply! Talk about rants! Talk about calling the kettle black! I think your first instinct to ask why are you replying to Bill's post was the right question to ask. I bet that if you would compose your email, then wait about 30 minutes before hitting the send button your better self might have a chance to regain control and the list would be better off. Sincerely, Mike Fowler Chicago From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 21:10:12 2009 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:10:12 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website Message-ID: <2A832750309844B98F0E40C6932AD4C2@Bandli1> Good Evening List, I would like to take the opportunity to introduce my new site: www.HistoricMeteorites.com It didn't make much sense to keep AstroArtifacts, as I no longer collect Space Program Hardware and meteorites are not artifacts, so I have been working on a new site for the last few months. I wanted a site and name that best represent my personal collecting habits and Historic Meteorites was just the fit. There are some sections that will not be complete for a few months including my collection gallery. Its crazy the amount of time it takes to photograph and describe each piece. I hope to have that part finished by Fall of this year. Those of you who aren't tapped out from the Elliott Auction can visit the sales page direct here: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html There are many nice specimens including some extremely rare falls for sale. Please contact me off-list if you see something you want or if you catch any typos or problems with the site. I appreciate your time! Cheers, Mike Bandli From garychase at live.com Tue Aug 18 21:18:26 2009 From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:18:26 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website In-Reply-To: <2A832750309844B98F0E40C6932AD4C2@Bandli1> References: <2A832750309844B98F0E40C6932AD4C2@Bandli1> Message-ID: Great Website Mike: Dont worry about everybody being tapped out from the auction. It was pretty much a bunch of leftovers from the big sale a couple years ago. Mullets rule !!! Gary ---------------------------------------- > From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:10:12 -0700 > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website > > Good Evening List, > > I would like to take the opportunity to introduce my new site: > www.HistoricMeteorites.com > > It didn't make much sense to keep AstroArtifacts, as I no longer collect > Space Program Hardware and meteorites are not artifacts, so I have been > working on a new site for the last few months. I wanted a site and name that > best represent my personal collecting habits and Historic Meteorites was > just the fit. There are some sections that will not be complete for a few > months including my collection gallery. Its crazy the amount of time it > takes to photograph and describe each piece. I hope to have that part > finished by Fall of this year. > > Those of you who aren't tapped out from the Elliott Auction can visit the > sales page direct here: > > http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html > > There are many nice specimens including some extremely rare falls for sale. > > Please contact me off-list if you see something you want or if you catch any > typos or problems with the site. > > I appreciate your time! > > Cheers, > > Mike Bandli > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 From gmhupe at htn.net Tue Aug 18 22:02:16 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:02:16 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! References: <2208FEDE-5ECA-4D09-9E88-20EF188EB487@mac.com> Message-ID: <8D1D13F7068E424B9DB6500DFBF527ED@Gregor> Hello Chicago Mike F., Went back and re-read the thread,... Are we all just going to sit around and let "bill kies"(parkforestmet) continue his garbage emailing to bombard this List? If you support him, go ahead, but let it be known you have no support from the rest regarding "bill kies". I have been thinking, "bill kies", is someone else who uses this name to cause trouble for others. What do you think, Mike?! I, like a few other's who replied, ask Art to remove "bill kies" from this List. Thank you! And for anyone who I may have offended in my posts, I do apologize! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Fowler" To: Cc: "Michael Fowler" Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOMACH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!! > Greg, > > Bill Kies quoting the lyrics of "Shaft" went right over my head. I > didn't see the relevance, where as, I think you went completely off the > deep end with your reply! Talk about rants! Talk about calling the > kettle black! > > I think your first instinct to ask why are you replying to Bill's post > was the right question to ask. I bet that if you would compose your > email, then wait about 30 minutes before hitting the send button your > better self might have a chance to regain control and the list would be > better off. > > Sincerely, > > Mike Fowler > Chicago > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 21:57:26 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] updates (ad) Message-ID: <235591.39885.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hello again list.Alot people who want my freebies continue not to send thier addresses to me.Please do so.I also have a 264 gram endcut of nwa 1794 forsale.It comes from the mike casper collection along with his specimen card..$400 takes it home with free shipping along with a free unclassified 100 gram plus stone. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From fujmon at mac.com Tue Aug 18 22:33:59 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:33:59 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website In-Reply-To: <2A832750309844B98F0E40C6932AD4C2@Bandli1> References: <2A832750309844B98F0E40C6932AD4C2@Bandli1> Message-ID: <656C94B6-0A1C-455C-86E9-E73F0E994D46@mac.com> Nice website Mike. You have some beautiful specimens for sale, but what I really want to see is your collection when it gets online ;^) gary On Aug 18, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Mike Bandli wrote: > Good Evening List, > > I would like to take the opportunity to introduce my new site: > www.HistoricMeteorites.com > > It didn't make much sense to keep AstroArtifacts, as I no longer > collect > Space Program Hardware and meteorites are not artifacts, so I have > been > working on a new site for the last few months. I wanted a site and > name that > best represent my personal collecting habits and Historic Meteorites > was > just the fit. There are some sections that will not be complete for > a few > months including my collection gallery. Its crazy the amount of time > it > takes to photograph and describe each piece. I hope to have that part > finished by Fall of this year. > > Those of you who aren't tapped out from the Elliott Auction can > visit the > sales page direct here: > > http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html > > There are many nice specimens including some extremely rare falls > for sale. > > Please contact me off-list if you see something you want or if you > catch any > typos or problems with the site. > > I appreciate your time! > > Cheers, > > Mike Bandli > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com Tue Aug 18 22:59:58 2009 From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:59:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website References: <2A832750309844B98F0E40C6932AD4C2@Bandli1> Message-ID: Congratulations Mike, I know you've been working hard on it. Can't wait to see what's next! Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog ------------------ We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Bandli" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website > Good Evening List, > > I would like to take the opportunity to introduce my new site: > www.HistoricMeteorites.com > > It didn't make much sense to keep AstroArtifacts, as I no longer collect > Space Program Hardware and meteorites are not artifacts, so I have been > working on a new site for the last few months. I wanted a site and name > that > best represent my personal collecting habits and Historic Meteorites was > just the fit. There are some sections that will not be complete for a few > months including my collection gallery. Its crazy the amount of time it > takes to photograph and describe each piece. I hope to have that part > finished by Fall of this year. > > Those of you who aren't tapped out from the Elliott Auction can visit the > sales page direct here: > > http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html > > There are many nice specimens including some extremely rare falls for > sale. > > Please contact me off-list if you see something you want or if you catch > any > typos or problems with the site. > > I appreciate your time! > > Cheers, > > Mike Bandli > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From jkg2 at cox.net Tue Aug 18 23:10:51 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:10:51 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website In-Reply-To: <2A832750309844B98F0E40C6932AD4C2@Bandli1> References: <2A832750309844B98F0E40C6932AD4C2@Bandli1> Message-ID: <20090819031056.TCGO11920.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Mike, It's nice to see someone do something creative with their energy and enthusiasm. Congratulations on your new website, it's quite impressive. Best, John Gwilliam At 06:10 PM 8/18/2009, Mike Bandli wrote: >Good Evening List, > >I would like to take the opportunity to introduce my new site: >www.HistoricMeteorites.com > >It didn't make much sense to keep AstroArtifacts, as I no longer collect >Space Program Hardware and meteorites are not artifacts, so I have been >working on a new site for the last few months. I wanted a site and name that >best represent my personal collecting habits and Historic Meteorites was >just the fit. There are some sections that will not be complete for a few >months including my collection gallery. Its crazy the amount of time it >takes to photograph and describe each piece. I hope to have that part >finished by Fall of this year. > >Those of you who aren't tapped out from the Elliott Auction can visit the >sales page direct here: > >http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html > >There are many nice specimens including some extremely rare falls for sale. > >Please contact me off-list if you see something you want or if you catch any >typos or problems with the site. > >I appreciate your time! > >Cheers, > >Mike Bandli > > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From bandk at chorus.net Tue Aug 18 23:31:58 2009 From: bandk at chorus.net (Becky and Kirk) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:31:58 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] FOR SALE AD for Micro-Meteorites!! References: <498080.59278.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I have (10) different Micro-Meteorites up for auction right now on ebay. Each one comes in its own specimen gem jar, along with proper ID cards. 9 of 10 are from Adam Hupe the other one is from Mike Farmer. Check 'em out when you get a second! Ebay item # 120460543846 Thanks---and have a good night! Kirk......:-) ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From dave at fallingrocks.com Tue Aug 18 23:39:32 2009 From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:39:32 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Remaining meteorites/impact kits availablefor sale/trade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What sort of paint are you looking for, Arnaud? Just bought a new brush and I'm ready to get started... Seriously, those are some great pieces, as always! Best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of The Tricottet Collection Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:43 PM To: MeteoriteList Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Remaining meteorites/impact kits availablefor sale/trade Dear list members, I have listed on the following link all the remaining meteorites from my collection, which are available for sale or trade. Offers will be considered. For trades, I'm only looking for meteorites with painted number. Highlights: Very nice full slices from Forest City, Campos Sales..., Sculpted Vaca Muerta, Large Gao and Kunya Urgench, St Michel from Helsinki museum, the 100/200 Garza impact kit... Much more on the link below http://s887.photobucket.com/albums/ac80/tricottetcoll/?albumview=slideshow&t rack=share_email_album_view_click Thank you for your interest, ArnaudM _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you're up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON :WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From dave at fallingrocks.com Tue Aug 18 23:33:09 2009 From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:33:09 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website In-Reply-To: <2A832750309844B98F0E40C6932AD4C2@Bandli1> References: <2A832750309844B98F0E40C6932AD4C2@Bandli1> Message-ID: Killer site and specimens, Mike! Dave www.fallingrocks.com -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike Bandli Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:10 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website Good Evening List, I would like to take the opportunity to introduce my new site: www.HistoricMeteorites.com It didn't make much sense to keep AstroArtifacts, as I no longer collect Space Program Hardware and meteorites are not artifacts, so I have been working on a new site for the last few months. I wanted a site and name that best represent my personal collecting habits and Historic Meteorites was just the fit. There are some sections that will not be complete for a few months including my collection gallery. Its crazy the amount of time it takes to photograph and describe each piece. I hope to have that part finished by Fall of this year. Those of you who aren't tapped out from the Elliott Auction can visit the sales page direct here: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html There are many nice specimens including some extremely rare falls for sale. Please contact me off-list if you see something you want or if you catch any typos or problems with the site. I appreciate your time! Cheers, Mike Bandli ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Wed Aug 19 00:06:24 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:06:24 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 19, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_19_2009.html __________________________ From pgspears at cox.net Wed Aug 19 01:11:53 2009 From: pgspears at cox.net (Paul G. Spears) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:11:53 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Levels of magnetic attraction in H5 and L4 meteorites Message-ID: <002701ca208b$91077b10$b3167130$@net> Hi, Listees: Puzzle me this, please. L4 chondrites have little iron and little magnetic attraction as compared to an H5, so how does their weight to size compare? That is, is a 100 gram of H5 half the size of a 100 gram of L4 (or some other relationship)? As there is little iron in a L4, what is the primary material that gives it weight? Specifically, in comparing a Franconia to a Gold Basin, would one see similar size specimens of each weighing nearly the same weight? Are there comparative tables that are useful in this question? Best regards, Paul From fujmon at mac.com Wed Aug 19 01:50:01 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:50:01 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Levels of magnetic attraction in H5 and L4 meteorites In-Reply-To: <002701ca208b$91077b10$b3167130$@net> References: <002701ca208b$91077b10$b3167130$@net> Message-ID: Paul, look at meteorite density by classification. Jeff Kuyken has a great webpage with the data here: http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/density.html gary On Aug 18, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Paul G. Spears wrote: > Hi, Listees: > Puzzle me this, please. L4 chondrites have little iron and little > magnetic > attraction as compared to an H5, so how does their weight to size > compare? > That is, is a 100 gram of H5 half the size of a 100 gram of L4 (or > some > other relationship)? As there is little iron in a L4, what is the > primary > material that gives it weight? > > Specifically, in comparing a Franconia to a Gold Basin, would one see > similar size specimens of each weighing nearly the same weight? > > Are there comparative tables that are useful in this question? > > Best regards, > Paul > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From info at meteorites.com.au Wed Aug 19 03:25:31 2009 From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:25:31 +1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results In-Reply-To: <141250970-1250617223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1040152250-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <141250970-1250617223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1040152250-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <5902BE897C4E4FFAAD05A82038411ADB@JeffPC> Same here Matt. And one thing I noticed was the larger more expensive pieces getting fewer bids and going for relatively bargain prices (or did not sell) while many smaller items seemed to push well beyond the original estimate with very active bidding. Cheers, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Morgan" To: "Michael Fowler" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results >I bid on several, only to lose the 5 of the items by 100 pounds. >Frustrating. Wish there was a better interface for this auction. > Matt > ------Original Message------ > From: Michael Fowler > Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Cc: Michael Fowler > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results > Sent: Aug 18, 2009 11:38 AM > > > > > Thanks Matt, > > My take on the results is that the auction was very well bid with many > items selling for fair to high prices. I bid on one lot at more than > twice the high estimate, and did not get it. > Perhaps Michael Blood will comment on this auction in an upcoming > "Meteorite Market Trends". > > Mike Fowler > Chicago > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de Wed Aug 19 03:44:18 2009 From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (Meteorite-Recon.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:44:18 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website Message-ID: <15295598.1103661250667858192.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Magnificent website Mike, great approach! You have a fine taste not only for elusive stones but also for photographic angles. Its always a pleasure to view accounts of meteorite hunts put together this skilful, regardless if they have been successful or not. Thanks fo sharing. Svend www.meteorite-recon.com Good Evening List, I would like to take the opportunity to introduce my new site: www.HistoricMeteorites.com It didn't make much sense to keep AstroArtifacts, as I no longer collect Space Program Hardware and meteorites are not artifacts, so I have been working on a new site for the last few months. I wanted a site and name that best represent my personal collecting habits and Historic Meteorites was just the fit. There are some sections that will not be complete for a few months including my collection gallery. Its crazy the amount of time it takes to photograph and describe each piece. I hope to have that part finished by Fall of this year. Those of you who aren't tapped out from the Elliott Auction can visit the sales page direct here: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html There are many nice specimens including some extremely rare falls for sale. Please contact me off-list if you see something you want or if you catch any typos or problems with the site. I appreciate your time! Cheers, Mike Bandli ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.meteorite-recon.com From mlblood at cox.net Wed Aug 19 06:50:43 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:50:43 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Bells Buyer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If the person who purchased Bells (lot # 97) in the Rob Elliot auction belongs to this list, please contact Me off list. Thanks, Michael From jkg2 at cox.net Wed Aug 19 11:27:39 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:27:39 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results In-Reply-To: <5902BE897C4E4FFAAD05A82038411ADB@JeffPC> References: <141250970-1250617223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1040152250-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <5902BE897C4E4FFAAD05A82038411ADB@JeffPC> Message-ID: <20090819152752.NAKB16492.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> This is very typical of auctions for just about anything, it is not unique to meteorites. I've been to antique auctions where high priced items got passed over while low end things got fought over. Same is true for horses and cattle (which I have personal knowledge of). Next time you bid at an auction, especially a live one, pay attention to what goes on inside your head. Most people have a "limit" of how much they will bid per increment and also what price they will drop out. However, it's easy to get sucked into bidding $10 or $20 or $50 more than you your original plan. It's easy to "twenty dollar yourself to death" at auctions. In my opinion, it's easier to justify bidding on twenty $50 items rather than one $1,000 item even though they have the same total value. Auction bidding can get addictive. Best, John Gwilliam At 12:25 AM 8/19/2009, Jeff Kuyken wrote: >Same here Matt. And one thing I noticed was the larger more >expensive pieces getting fewer bids and going for relatively bargain >prices (or did not sell) while many smaller items seemed to push >well beyond the original estimate with very active bidding. > >Cheers, > >Jeff > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Morgan" >To: "Michael Fowler" ; >; > >Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:39 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results > > >>I bid on several, only to lose the 5 of the items by 100 pounds. >>Frustrating. Wish there was a better interface for this auction. >>Matt >>------Original Message------ >>From: Michael Fowler >>Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>Cc: Michael Fowler >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results >>Sent: Aug 18, 2009 11:38 AM >> >> >> > >> >>Thanks Matt, >> >>My take on the results is that the auction was very well bid with many >>items selling for fair to high prices. I bid on one lot at more than >>twice the high estimate, and did not get it. >>Perhaps Michael Blood will comment on this auction in an upcoming >>"Meteorite Market Trends". >> >>Mike Fowler >>Chicago >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >>Matt Morgan >>Mile High Meteorites >>http://www.mhmeteorites.com >>P.O. Box 151293 >>Lakewood, CO 80215 USA >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From MeteorHntr at aol.com Wed Aug 19 11:45:04 2009 From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:45:04 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare Meteorites and New Website Message-ID: Mike, Congratulations on the great site. A class act. I will contact you off list (as requested in your post) to see how much you want for your West stones pictured on your West Expedition page. ;-) Best of luck in building the site up with even more awesome specimens and more great stories. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men In a message dated 8/18/2009 8:10:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, fuzzfoot at comcast.net writes: Good Evening List, I would like to take the opportunity to introduce my new site: www.HistoricMeteorites.com It didn't make much sense to keep AstroArtifacts, as I no longer collect Space Program Hardware and meteorites are not artifacts, so I have been working on a new site for the last few months. I wanted a site and name that best represent my personal collecting habits and Historic Meteorites was just the fit. There are some sections that will not be complete for a few months including my collection gallery. Its crazy the amount of time it takes to photograph and describe each piece. I hope to have that part finished by Fall of this year. Those of you who aren't tapped out from the Elliott Auction can visit the sales page direct here: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html There are many nice specimens including some extremely rare falls for sale. Please contact me off-list if you see something you want or if you catch any typos or problems with the site. I appreciate your time! Cheers, Mike Bandli **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 11:49:03 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) Message-ID: <966938.63476.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi again list.I have 23 people who are getting freebies. I have alot more.I also have a 76 gram sikote-alin with 2 holes forsale.Pics later.$300 will take it home. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From freequarks at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 11:44:02 2009 From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:44:02 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk In-Reply-To: References: <62619C1D3ADB4A0396D297A6F1971D82@Bandli1> <35918.86964.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <822da19a0908190844v7ac7db1bl46fc1959846d994b@mail.gmail.com> Hello Mike, Frank and All, I doubt our pieces of Bogou share a room at the Hotel Cureton. My piece came from a university collection that likely acquired the specimen in the early 1970s. I suspect it originally came from either the Smithsonian or directly from a museum in Africa. I think the Smithsonian is most likely since that is where a majority of the mass is housed, as well as the fact that many other small iron samples in the university collection came with Smithsonian documentation. I don't know if you have it, but here is the link to Met Bull 25 that contains the Bogou entry. A wonderful little story. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/docs/mb25.pdf Best, Martin On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Mike Bandli wrote: > Hi Frank, > > That piece is beautiful and the re-heated rim is incredible. I believe Jay Piatek is the current and proud owner. I'm afraid to refinish or etch mine, as it would risk losing what little of the frail fusion crust remains. > > Cheers, > > Mike Bandli > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Cressy [mailto:fcressy at prodigy.net] > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:17 PM > To: Mike Bandli; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk > > > Hi Martin, Mike, and all, > > I've always liked Bogou too, probably because of the photo below from Al Lang's site. ?Unfortunately I don't have a specimen :-( > > http://www.nyrockman.com/museum/bogou-8.htm > > Al's etched part slice has a very cool heat-affected rim on it. ?Of course the question concernimg your specimens is: ?Do they also have a heat-affected rim? ? and > do you a). refinish and etch it to see, or b). leave as is. > > (Just thought I'd add another variable to the equation) > > Cheers, > > Frank > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Mike Bandli > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:46:34 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Bogou Meteorite in the Accretion Desk > > Hello Martin and All, > > http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/august/Accretion_Desk.htm > > It?s nice to see a witnessed iron on the Accretion Desk this month. It is quite easy to forget that witnessed iron falls are incredibly rare. In fact, according to the MetBull database, witnessed HED?s are more abundant than irons at ~69 witnessed HED achondrites to ~49 witnessed irons. Even at that number, iron falls are so highly prized by museums and institutions, that you are lucky to find anything outside of Sikote-Alin, Udei Station, or the occasional Boguslavka or Braunau. > > I was surprised to see that Martin?s piece has a ?hack-saw? cut job ? something I thought was unique to my piece of Bogou: > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-3.jpg > > I purchased my Bogou several years ago (ex. Cureton Collection) sight-unseen and re-etching and cutting off the hack-saw marks and 'hanging chads' has always been on my to-do list until I read Martin?s article. It is easy to forget that those blemishes can actually help tell the story and human interaction involved with particular specimens. In fact, I think a hacked-up Bogou looks just fine now ? > > > Martin also reminds us of how delicate and rare -real- fusion crust on an iron is. On Bogou, it is like the thin crust of a croissant and can easily flake off if not handled properly: > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-2.jpg > > > Finally, the ?good? side, showing the curvature of the specimen. One can only imagine how impressive a full slice would be: > > http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Bogou-1.jpg > > > Martin, I wonder if our specimens shared a jar with the Cureton Collection? > > > 6 Irons Old, > > Mike Bandli > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 11:51:06 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:51:06 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results In-Reply-To: <5902BE897C4E4FFAAD05A82038411ADB@JeffPC> References: <141250970-1250617223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1040152250-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <5902BE897C4E4FFAAD05A82038411ADB@JeffPC> Message-ID: Jeff nailed it. The smaller items had a larger pool of bidders who could afford them - so bidding was more competitive. The larger items appealed only to a smaller pool of monied collectors - so the bidding was more subdued. It usually happens that way with these types of auctions. The ones who can afford it the most, get the bargains, while the petty bidders pay the most. On 8/19/09, Jeff Kuyken wrote: > Same here Matt. And one thing I noticed was the larger more expensive pieces > getting fewer bids and going for relatively bargain prices (or did not sell) > while many smaller items seemed to push well beyond the original estimate > with very active bidding. > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Morgan" > To: "Michael Fowler" ; > ; > > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:39 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results > > >>I bid on several, only to lose the 5 of the items by 100 pounds. >>Frustrating. Wish there was a better interface for this auction. >> Matt >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Michael Fowler >> Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Cc: Michael Fowler >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results >> Sent: Aug 18, 2009 11:38 AM >> >> > > >> >> Thanks Matt, >> >> My take on the results is that the auction was very well bid with many >> items selling for fair to high prices. I bid on one lot at more than >> twice the high estimate, and did not get it. >> Perhaps Michael Blood will comment on this auction in an upcoming >> "Meteorite Market Trends". >> >> Mike Fowler >> Chicago >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> Matt Morgan >> Mile High Meteorites >> http://www.mhmeteorites.com >> P.O. Box 151293 >> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From drtanuki at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 11:57:15 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:www.InternationalMeteoriteHuntersAssociation.com for sale Message-ID: <271978.64692.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear List, Anyone interested in purchasing a domain name that I own: http://www.InternationalMeteoriteHuntersAssociation.com Please let me know. I will sell it for a reasonable price but buyer must understand how to transfer the Domain to their name. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo Maybe even the IMCA may be interested in a co-organization? From majbaermann at web.de Wed Aug 19 12:06:41 2009 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:06:41 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) References: <966938.63476.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4372B601205E41EF9DD4A555D1C6D3CF@thinkcentre> Mr. Arnold, it's absolutely not interesting for me to read how many dozens of people you've connected with your personal Ego-hell by presenting them meteorites. Which serves for you only as a background for one AD after the other, against the well known rule. May I remind you: it's not too long ago that you promised to retire from meteorites and from this list. Word? Sincerely, Matthias Baermann ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve arnold" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) Hi again list.I have 23 people who are getting freebies. I have alot more.I also have a 76 gram sikote-alin with 2 holes forsale.Pics later.$300 will take it home. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From GeoZay at aol.com Wed Aug 19 12:18:53 2009 From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:18:53 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) Message-ID: >>it's absolutely not interesting for me to read how many dozens of people you've connected with your personal Ego-hell by presenting them meteorites. << It doesn't bother me...I rather enjoy getting the freebies and look forward to them. Thanks Steven. GeoZay From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 12:29:59 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) In-Reply-To: <4372B601205E41EF9DD4A555D1C6D3CF@thinkcentre> Message-ID: <593415.21760.qm@web46402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Whats the deal with all this? Can you not send this as PM or keep this off list? I am really getting tired of getting all these bitchfest emails from people about Cottinghams ads, Chicago Steves posts etc... Is there not enough drama on here as it is? IS there really need to vent your opinions publicly? (yes I am here, but damn if Im not tired of hitting delete and having my email and phone flooded with this!) DO you all not understand that the actions of replying to posts about or by people that you dont like is far worse and bothersome to this community then the posts you are posting about? Sure, some of you have issues with Steve, Sure some of you have issues with Cottinghams ads and his constant posting of http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ But do we all need to know? I am sure we all know already. I am sure the owner of the list is fine with the ads and the members on here, otherwise something would have been done already. So I am asking, PLEASE STOP. The amount of posts per day from people complaining far exceeds the ads and posts from Steve put together for a month! If you dont like the person or the ads, keep it off list, no need to bother everyone with your issues and name calling. Contact the owner, contact the poster, contact Obama, contact anyone else off list for that matter. I dont want to read it anymore! For those that missed it, some great items are for sale on ebay! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites!QQhtZ-1 http://shop.ebay.com/nakhladog/m.html Greg C. PS. sorry for those I missed! --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Matthias B?rmann wrote: > From: Matthias B?rmann > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) > To: "steve arnold" , meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 12:06 PM > Mr. Arnold, > > it's absolutely not interesting for me to read how many > dozens of people you've connected with your personal > Ego-hell by presenting them meteorites. Which serves for you > only as a background for one AD after the other, against the > well known rule. May I remind you: it's not too long ago > that you promised to retire from meteorites and from this > list. Word? > > Sincerely, > > Matthias Baermann > ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve arnold" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:49 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) > > > Hi again list.I have 23 people who are getting freebies. I > have alot more.I also have a 76 gram sikote-alin with 2 > holes forsale.Pics later.$300 will take it home. > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From vs.petrovich at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 12:30:23 2009 From: vs.petrovich at gmail.com (Sergey Vasiliev) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:30:23 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auctions end in 1 day Message-ID: Hello List, I have some nice meteorites and meteorite books auctions ending in 1 day: Books: - "Tunguska Meteorite" Krinov E.L. 1949: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190328358165 - "Messengers of the Universe." Krinov E.L. 1963: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190328355705 All items are here: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/svassiliev__W0QQ_armrsZ1 Thank you for your time! Sergey ------------------- Sergey Vasiliev U Dalnice 839 Prague 5, 155 00 Czech Republic ------------------- http://www.sv-meteorites.com http://impactites.net http://systematic-mineralogy.com http://kazakhstan-minerals.com From gmhupe at htn.net Wed Aug 19 12:54:25 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:54:25 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 19, 2009 References: Message-ID: <1267A1665E9F46D7A8B25AA771F7314A@Gregor> Hello Andi and List, Now that is one interesting iron Andi has for Picture of The Day, NWA 5804! It has the strangest matrix, and look at that thick crust. Nice acquisition, Andi! http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_19_2009.html Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 19,2009 > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_19_2009.html > > > > > > __________________________ > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 12:59:49 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:59:49 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 19, 2009 In-Reply-To: <1267A1665E9F46D7A8B25AA771F7314A@Gregor> References: <1267A1665E9F46D7A8B25AA771F7314A@Gregor> Message-ID: Hi Greg and List, Wow. When I first saw that link, I thought maybe Michael had made a rare typographical error. That is really an iron? I had no idea that irons could have a fusion crust that thick. And that matrix is almost bizarre to look at. I'm very curious what the final word on this specimen will be. The provisional classification is "iron ungrouped". But that is a rather broad catch-all typing - I'm looking forward to learning more about it. Are there any papers about it in the works? Best regards, MikeG On 8/19/09, Greg Hupe wrote: > Hello Andi and List, > > Now that is one interesting iron Andi has for Picture of The Day, NWA 5804! > It has the strangest matrix, and look at that thick crust. Nice acquisition, > Andi! > > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_19_2009.html > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:06 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August > 19,2009 > > >> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_19_2009.html >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________ >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 12:54:48 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:54:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) In-Reply-To: <593415.21760.qm@web46402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <4372B601205E41EF9DD4A555D1C6D3CF@thinkcentre> <593415.21760.qm@web46402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Greg, Steve #2c, Michael C, and Gary Busey, I'm sorry Greg, but my world-class email exclusion filters are now set to delete everyone's posts. I now rule the group! Each day, I now have the freedom to talk all I want and not be bothered with silly things like replies or the opinions of others. The silence is bliss. I was cleaning out my trash bin when I noticed this message you posted, and I thought I would go ahead and reply while I am waiting for my next muse to strike me. FWIW, I have my much-vaunted filters to delete all messages that contain the following content in the body or subject line - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ or http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 or http://shop.ebay.com/nakhladog/ or http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle Notice the last filter, where I have blocked myself. Now that I have silenced my incessant rambling, the List is a joy! ;) Best regards, MikeG PS - yes, Gary Busey is really a meteorite collector, I didn't make that part up. On 8/19/09, Greg Catterton wrote: > Whats the deal with all this? > Can you not send this as PM or keep this off list? I am really getting tired > of getting all these bitchfest emails from people about Cottinghams ads, > Chicago Steves posts etc... > Is there not enough drama on here as it is? > > IS there really need to vent your opinions publicly? (yes I am here, but > damn if Im not tired of hitting delete and having my email and phone flooded > with this!) > > DO you all not understand that the actions of replying to posts about or by > people that you dont like is far worse and bothersome to this community then > the posts you are posting about? > > Sure, some of you have issues with Steve, Sure some of you have issues with > Cottinghams ads and his constant posting of > http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ > But do we all need to know? I am sure we all know already. I am sure the > owner of the list is fine with the ads and the members on here, otherwise > something would have been done already. > > So I am asking, PLEASE STOP. > The amount of posts per day from people complaining far exceeds the ads and > posts from Steve put together for a month! > > If you dont like the person or the ads, keep it off list, no need to bother > everyone with your issues and name calling. Contact the owner, contact the > poster, contact Obama, contact anyone else off list for that matter. I dont > want to read it anymore! > > For those that missed it, some great items are for sale on ebay! > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 > http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites!QQhtZ-1 > http://shop.ebay.com/nakhladog/m.html > > Greg C. > PS. sorry for those I missed! > > --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Matthias B?rmann wrote: > >> From: Matthias B?rmann >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) >> To: "steve arnold" , >> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 12:06 PM >> Mr. Arnold, >> >> it's absolutely not interesting for me to read how many >> dozens of people you've connected with your personal >> Ego-hell by presenting them meteorites. Which serves for you >> only as a background for one AD after the other, against the >> well known rule. May I remind you: it's not too long ago >> that you promised to retire from meteorites and from this >> list. Word? >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Matthias Baermann >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve arnold" >> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:49 PM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) >> >> >> Hi again list.I have 23 people who are getting freebies. I >> have alot more.I also have a 76 gram sikote-alin with 2 >> holes forsale.Pics later.$300 will take it home. >> Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Wed Aug 19 12:58:46 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:58:46 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) In-Reply-To: <593415.21760.qm@web46402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <4372B601205E41EF9DD4A555D1C6D3CF@thinkcentre> <593415.21760.qm@web46402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801ca20ee$515a0600$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Hi Greg, You wrote: "I dont want to read it anymore!" The same the others wrote about Steve's spam. Why do you expect the others to do you the favour, not to molest you with their complaints about Steve, while you say it doesn't matter, that they are molested by Steve's spam? Illogical, isn't it? Ooops, I forget to hide an ad in that post... Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg Catterton Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2009 18:30 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) Whats the deal with all this? Can you not send this as PM or keep this off list? I am really getting tired of getting all these bitchfest emails from people about Cottinghams ads, Chicago Steves posts etc... Is there not enough drama on here as it is? IS there really need to vent your opinions publicly? (yes I am here, but damn if Im not tired of hitting delete and having my email and phone flooded with this!) DO you all not understand that the actions of replying to posts about or by people that you dont like is far worse and bothersome to this community then the posts you are posting about? Sure, some of you have issues with Steve, Sure some of you have issues with Cottinghams ads and his constant posting of http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ But do we all need to know? I am sure we all know already. I am sure the owner of the list is fine with the ads and the members on here, otherwise something would have been done already. So I am asking, PLEASE STOP. The amount of posts per day from people complaining far exceeds the ads and posts from Steve put together for a month! If you dont like the person or the ads, keep it off list, no need to bother everyone with your issues and name calling. Contact the owner, contact the poster, contact Obama, contact anyone else off list for that matter. I dont want to read it anymore! For those that missed it, some great items are for sale on ebay! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites!QQhtZ-1 http://shop.ebay.com/nakhladog/m.html Greg C. PS. sorry for those I missed! --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Matthias B?rmann wrote: > From: Matthias B?rmann > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) > To: "steve arnold" , meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 12:06 PM > Mr. Arnold, > > it's absolutely not interesting for me to read how many > dozens of people you've connected with your personal > Ego-hell by presenting them meteorites. Which serves for you > only as a background for one AD after the other, against the > well known rule. May I remind you: it's not too long ago > that you promised to retire from meteorites and from this > list. Word? > > Sincerely, > > Matthias Baermann > ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve arnold" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:49 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] more updates (ad) > > > Hi again list.I have 23 people who are getting freebies. I > have alot more.I also have a 76 gram sikote-alin with 2 > holes forsale.Pics later.$300 will take it home. > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Wed Aug 19 12:57:52 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 19 Aug 2009 16:57:52 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 Message-ID: Hello List, These graphite rosettes are truly unique when you look at them close-up and so is part of the fusion crust which looks, well, ... which looks like those eucrite pebbles in Vaca Muerta - unbelievable as that may sound! Best wishes from the happy owner of a 14.74-gr slice of NWA 5804, Bernd From meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 13:14:22 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:14:22 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bernd! Are you volunteering to post more photos of this unusual and beautiful iron? ;) Best regards, MikeG On 19 Aug 2009 16:57:52 UT, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote: > Hello List, > > These graphite rosettes are truly unique when you look at them close-up > and so is part of the fusion crust which looks, well, ... which looks like > those eucrite pebbles in Vaca Muerta - unbelievable as that may sound! > > Best wishes from the happy > owner of a 14.74-gr slice > of NWA 5804, > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From gmhupe at htn.net Wed Aug 19 13:15:52 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:15:52 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 References: Message-ID: <492BAB0CD01040BF8F8239519311B1FC@Gregor> Hello Bernd, and other happy owners of NWA 5804, Congrats on your nice score, Bernd. Do you have a close-up of rosettes? What is the TKW of 5804? Truly a crazily-impressive meteorite! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 > Hello List, > > These graphite rosettes are truly unique when you look at them close-up > and so is part of the fusion crust which looks, well, ... which looks like > those eucrite pebbles in Vaca Muerta - unbelievable as that may sound! > > Best wishes from the happy > owner of a 14.74-gr slice > of NWA 5804, > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From valparint at aol.com Wed Aug 19 13:20:52 2009 From: valparint at aol.com (valparint at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:20:52 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] asdf Message-ID: To test drive SIGI 3, please go to http://www.sigi3.org/tryit.asp and use code 1BX380JP. You can use this as much as you like for 30 days from your first access. Paul Swartz From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed Aug 19 14:00:29 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Spirit Hits 2,000 Message-ID: <200908191800.n7JI0TZK006004@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=2285 Spirit Hits 2,000 Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 18, 2009 Today marks the 2,000th Martian day, or sol, of what was initially planned as a 90-sol mission on Mars for NASA's Spirit rover. Spirit's twin, Opportunity, will reach the 2,000-sol milestone on Sept. 8. Both rovers have found rocks altered by past action of water on Mars. Both show some signs of aging but remain capable of further scientific investigations. Since their landing halfway around the planet from each other in January 2004, Spirit has driven 4.8 miles and Opportunity has driven 10.7 miles. Together, they have returned more than 246,000 images. Each Martian sol lasts about 40 minutes longer than an Earth day. More information on the rovers is at http://www.nasa.gov/rovers . From damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 14:24:34 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars Message-ID: <340031.15862.qm@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I hope that this email doesn't offend anyone. I mention two particular people who I won't name, but for the most part I am speaking in general. I've been on this list for several months now. I joined for all the reasons people usually join a mailing list; To make contacts with others that have similar interests to learn from these other people, and hopefully to eventually contribute something of substance to the group. For the first week or so after I joined the list, I started learning the players, and learning a bit more about meteorites. After about a week, someone posted a message about some material they had to offer. Another person asked what it was and whoo classified it. The first person answered the questions. Simple, clear and exactly as one would expect. Both were reasonable and courteous to the other. As a new collector who knew only a few people in the field, this interaction was exactly what I wanted to see. Since the meteorite market is so "thin" and a lot of it is based on "faith", faith that what is being offered is exactly what is being represented. It is important to me that the people I interact with, and purchase from, act professionally at all times. I have to have faith in this person. I have to trust them. This goes for the full time dealer as well as the "vest pocket" dealer who sells to improve his or her personal collection... I have purchased from both of these people, one of them has provided me with a large percentage of my collection purchases since then. I won't hesitate buying from either one... Having a good reputation is important to me. Being professional is too. What shocked me, as a new member was how many other people jumped in, making wild accusations, going off on tangents, much of which was not even remotely related to the original post, the question, or the reply. It was an eye opening event for me. A number of people who sell lost any chance to get my business. Since then there have been multiple flare ups, which has further reduced the pool of sellers I will do business with. Those I have lost faith in; Those who I can't trust. I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to who acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no doubt there are others like me who will not do business with anyone who does not present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We all have our moments) Of course people who don't sell don't really care about this, but that shouldn't be an excuse. The Golden Rule should apply... Some of the people on this list are also on the list I have run for over a decade, the Minor Planet Mailing List. That list has over 1200 subscribers and has a great mix of both professional and amateur astronomers with the common interest in asteroids and comets. I run the list with a very light hand. Scientific discussion and debate are welcome and encouraged, but one of the things that will get you moderated or banned is personal attacks. One of the worst things that can happen to any mailing list is unbridled flames wars. I recently read here that this list was filled with scientists in the field of meteoritics, but now most have gone. Apparently previous flames caused them to leave. Thats a sad comment. I am in no way telling this list's owner how to run the list, but we have found that this policy works extremely well on MPML. Those who do make personal attacks rarely contribute anything of substance to the list, so losing them is not much of a loss... Please keep the great information coming. It is what makes being a member of this list worth while. Please reconsider your posts before hitting the send button if there is no useful information in your message... Sorry for the length of this email. Thanks for letting me comment. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From geoking at notkin.net Wed Aug 19 14:39:55 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:39:55 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson's Flandrau Science Center Faces Closure Message-ID: Dear Listees: I thought some of you -- especially those who visit Tucson on a regular basis -- might be interested in this story: http://tucsoncitizen.com/lizard/2009/08/18/tucson-it-is-time-to-step-up-be-counted-and-save-the-great-flandrau-science-center/ The late O. Richard Norton was a former director of the Flandrau and they have an impressive meteorite collection, made up partly from donations by Bob Haag, the late Jim Kriegh and others. The U of A Mineral Museum, located in the basement of the Flandrau, has the main masses of two very rare Arizona irons: Silverbell and Weaver Mountain. The mineral collection comprises 19,000 specimens. Assuming (hoping) it's still open in February, the Mineral Museum is well worth a visit for those attending the 2010 Tucson gem show. Respectfully, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org From valparint at aol.com Wed Aug 19 15:05:39 2009 From: valparint at aol.com (valparint at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:05:39 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] asdf Message-ID: Please ignore my most recent email. It was sent in error. Paul Swartz From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Wed Aug 19 15:18:27 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:18:27 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting Message-ID: Don't look like meteorites to me! http://www.heralddemocrat.com/hd/News/2009_08-19_news_Meteorite-Texoma-Luella _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Wed Aug 19 15:26:17 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Message-ID: List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From LITIG8NSHARK at aol.com Wed Aug 19 15:34:15 2009 From: LITIG8NSHARK at aol.com (LITIG8NSHARK at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:34:15 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Message-ID: Good afternoon, Folks, I can't speak for today's meteorite market, but back in the early 2000's it was the Lunar meteorite Calcalong Creek. Small specimens were selling at about $75,000.00 per gram. I know because I bought some from Rob Elliot at that price, and made money re-selling specimens. Just incredible!!! Best regards, Paul Savannah GA In a message dated 2009/08/19 3:29:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stanleygregr at hotmail.com writes: List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackT oSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 15:34:42 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:34:42 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Greg, I'll take a stab at this one. The most expensive meteorite I have bought was Sylacauga. A 1mg Bessey Speck cost me $100. That is a staggering $100,000.00 a gram. I would wager that the most "valuable" meteorites are probably historical falls - history usually trumps type when it comes to market value. Best regards, MikeG On 8/19/09, Greg Stanley wrote: > > > List: > > I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific > but the most value $/gram? > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar > meteorites still have the most value? > > Much Thanks, > > Greg S. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From rlenssen at planet.nl Wed Aug 19 15:41:29 2009 From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:41:29 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find Message-ID: Dear List, Thank you for all your on- and off-List reactions. In general your advice is, to have it classified, including terrestrial dating, and to try to find as much as possible information on the find of this stone. I also have some references now, from the isotope terrestrial age determination. Thanks! Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: looking for classification advice for fresh find > Dear List, > > I received a new meteorite directly from a Moroccan dealer last week, that > looks remarkably fresh. > > The dealer told me the 314g stone was broken in (three) fragments by the > nomad who found it. Also the name of the town of find was provided. > > My first thought was that it would be one of recent years falls. > The dealer insists it's not. > As I thought the price to be OK, I decided to buy. > > I "studied" the pieces, and compared them to my Bassikounou: > The material looks whiter than Bassikounou (that again looks whiter (less > grey) than Chergach to me). > It has a lot of free iron (more than visible in the photographs) and few > visible larger chondrules. > Based on the free iron, I would not expect it to be LL like Bensour. > Tested with a magnet, it is attracted strongly, but slightly less than > Bassikounou an H-type chondrite. > And last, the crust has almost no dust (fine sand) contamination, like > Bassikounou typically has. > > My question is how to deal with this stone, with respect to > classification. > Does this stone deserve more than the standard NWA classification? > Should for instance terrestrial age be determined? > I would appreciate some guidance from List members who are > (professionally) involved in meteorite research. > > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/314g/314g-NWA.html > > Kind regards, > Rob Lenssen From MeteorHntr at aol.com Wed Aug 19 15:42:03 2009 From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:42:03 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Message-ID: Greg, I would guess that Semarkona would bring a very high price per gram if any of it would come on the market. Also, some of the very low TKW carbonacious chondrites with a historical twist could be in the top price ranges. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men In a message dated 8/19/2009 2:29:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stanleygregr at hotmail.com writes: List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. From info at meteoritenhaus.de Wed Aug 19 15:35:16 2009 From: info at meteoritenhaus.de (Andreas Gren) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:35:16 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 In-Reply-To: <492BAB0CD01040BF8F8239519311B1FC@Gregor> Message-ID: Hi List, thanks a lot for all the kind words about the finally classified ungrouped iron meteorite. The Meteorite was purchased in 2005 at the Munich mineral fair, the TKW is 726g. Here are the test results: : Bulk Composition: INAA data (J. Duke, UAb): Ni = 11.54 ? 0.03 wt%, Co = 0.509 ? 0.003 wt%, Ga = 35.8 ? 0.4 ?g/g, Ge = 28 ? 4 ?g/g, Ir = 0.196 ? 0.008 ?g/g, Au = 1.04 ? 0.02 ?g/g, As = 13.0 ? 0.2 ?g/g, Cu = 307 ? 23 ?g/g, Cr = 32 ? 5 ?g/g (uncertainties 1?, 68% confidence level), W ? 0.27 ?g/g, Re ? 0.05 ?g/g. Although Ni, Ga and Ge concentrations are similar to the IAB-sLM/sLH group, the Au concentration is well below the minimum 1.3 ug/g required to consider it part of the IAB complex. I don't really know if I'm already allowed to public this details, but I hope it will be fine The picture from RFSPOD shows no meteoritic structure but the light angle gives the best sight to the Graphite inclusions I will show some more pictures, please feel free to take a look if interested: Main Mass: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA_Iron_main.jpg Magnifying: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron2.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron3.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron4.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Gren_iron_1.jpg (copyright by Ted Bunch) some slices: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron1.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_11.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_12.jpg Details Graphite Inclusions: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_13.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_14.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_24.jpg This is no AD, I'm sold out. Thanks to Chris Herd for classification. Thanks to the Hupe Brothers for the hint where to classify. Best greetings Andi (and special thanks to my friend Koppli from Bavaria) -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg Hupe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2009 19:16 An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 Hello Bernd, and other happy owners of NWA 5804, Congrats on your nice score, Bernd. Do you have a close-up of rosettes? What is the TKW of 5804? Truly a crazily-impressive meteorite! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 > Hello List, > > These graphite rosettes are truly unique when you look at them close-up > and so is part of the fusion crust which looks, well, ... which looks like > those eucrite pebbles in Vaca Muerta - unbelievable as that may sound! > > Best wishes from the happy > owner of a 14.74-gr slice > of NWA 5804, > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From info at meteoritenhaus.de Wed Aug 19 15:36:51 2009 From: info at meteoritenhaus.de (Andreas Gren) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:36:51 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] WG: RFSPOD - NWA 5804 Message-ID: Hi List, thanks a lot for all the kind words about the finally classified ungrouped iron meteorite. The Meteorite was purchased in 2005 at the Munich mineral fair, the TKW is 726g. Here are the test results: : Bulk Composition: INAA data (J. Duke, UAb): Ni = 11.54 ? 0.03 wt%, Co = 0.509 ? 0.003 wt%, Ga = 35.8 ? 0.4 ?g/g, Ge = 28 ? 4 ?g/g, Ir = 0.196 ? 0.008 ?g/g, Au = 1.04 ? 0.02 ?g/g, As = 13.0 ? 0.2 ?g/g, Cu = 307 ? 23 ?g/g, Cr = 32 ? 5 ?g/g (uncertainties 1?, 68% confidence level), W ? 0.27 ?g/g, Re ? 0.05 ?g/g. Although Ni, Ga and Ge concentrations are similar to the IAB-sLM/sLH group, the Au concentration is well below the minimum 1.3 ug/g required to consider it part of the IAB complex. I don't really know if I'm already allowed to public this details, but I hope it will be fine The picture from RFSPOD shows no meteoritic structure but the light angle gives the best sight to the Graphite inclusions I will show some more pictures, please feel free to take a look if interested: Main Mass: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA_Iron_main.jpg Magnifying: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron2.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron3.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron4.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Gren_iron_1.jpg (copyright by Ted Bunch) some slices: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron1.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_11.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_12.jpg Details Graphite Inclusions: http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_13.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_14.jpg http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_24.jpg This is no AD, I'm sold out. Thanks to Chris Herd for classification. Thanks to the Hupe Brothers for the hint where to classify. Best greetings Andi (and special thanks to my friend Koppli from Bavaria) -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg Hupe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2009 19:16 An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 Hello Bernd, and other happy owners of NWA 5804, Congrats on your nice score, Bernd. Do you have a close-up of rosettes? What is the TKW of 5804? Truly a crazily-impressive meteorite! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 > Hello List, > > These graphite rosettes are truly unique when you look at them close-up > and so is part of the fusion crust which looks, well, ... which looks like > those eucrite pebbles in Vaca Muerta - unbelievable as that may sound! > > Best wishes from the happy > owner of a 14.74-gr slice > of NWA 5804, > > Bernd > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mike.hankey at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 15:51:05 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:51:05 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars In-Reply-To: <340031.15862.qm@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <340031.15862.qm@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Amen brother. > I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to who acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no doubt there are others like me who will not do business with anyone who does not present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We all have our moments) I can not agree more with this statement. As a new comer to this I was horrified and embarrassed by the content of a lot of the messages that came across it. Unfortunately, this list was my first impression of the meteorite community and while I have met some very amazing and brilliant people through this list, the conduct and arrogance from the bad apples has left a bad taste in my mouth regarding this community as a whole. The simple fact that the largest thread on this list since I've been on here was titled "Who is the best meteorite hunter in the world", speaks volumes. A problem I have witnessed in many industries over many years is that really smart people sometimes get a little full of themselves (because they are so smart). The first job I had out of college was for the Credit Card company Visa. There were 100s of brilliant software engineers that worked in my office. Sometimes they were too smart for anyone else, so smart they were often blind to things that were right in front of their face (like the internet becoming the power house of e-commerce (job was in 94). I remember my boss saying to these guys in a meeting once, when they were acting like arrogant fools: "we aren't curing cancer here guys. get a grip." I will be spending 10s of thousands of dollars on meteorites in the next year. 100s of thousands of dollars on meteorites over the next 5 years (yes I'm totally hooked on these things). I will absolutely never buy anything from anyone who has acted out or been a prick on this list. Before I make a purchase I search the meteorite list archives for the seller, and if they are a jerk I look else where. Being nice is good for business. Sincerely, Mike Hankey http://www.mikesastrophotos.com On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: > I hope that this email doesn't offend anyone. I mention two particular people who I won't name, but for the most part I am speaking in general. > > I've been on this list for several months now. I joined for all the reasons people usually join a mailing list; To make contacts with others that have similar interests to learn from these other people, and hopefully to eventually contribute something of substance to the group. > > For the first week or so after I joined the list, I started learning the players, and learning a bit more about meteorites. After about a week, someone posted a message about some material they had to offer. Another person asked what it was and whoo classified it. The first person answered the questions. Simple, clear and exactly as one would expect. Both were reasonable and courteous to the other. As a new collector who knew only a few people in the field, this interaction was exactly what I wanted to see. > > Since the meteorite market is so "thin" and a lot of it is based on "faith", faith that what is being offered is exactly what is being represented. It is important to me that the people I interact with, and purchase from, act professionally at all times. I have to have faith in this person. I have to trust them. This goes for the full time dealer as well as the "vest pocket" dealer who sells to improve his or her personal collection... > > I have purchased from both of these people, one of them has provided me with a large percentage of my collection purchases since then. I won't hesitate buying from either one... > > Having a good reputation is important to me. Being professional is too. > > What shocked me, as a new member was how many other people jumped in, making wild accusations, going off on tangents, much of which was not even remotely related to the original post, the question, or the reply. It was an eye opening event for me. A number of people who sell lost any chance to get my business. > > Since then there have been multiple flare ups, which has further reduced the pool of sellers I will do business with. Those I have lost faith in; Those who I can't trust. > > I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to who acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no doubt there are others like me who will not do business with anyone who does not present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We all have our moments) > > Of course people who don't sell don't really care about this, but that shouldn't be an excuse. The Golden Rule should apply... > > Some of the people on this list are also on the list I have run for over a decade, the Minor Planet Mailing List. That list has over 1200 subscribers and has a great mix of both professional and amateur astronomers with the common interest in asteroids and comets. I run the list with a very light hand. Scientific discussion and debate are welcome and encouraged, but one of the things that will get you moderated or banned is personal attacks. > > One of the worst things that can happen to any mailing list is unbridled flames wars. I recently read here that this list was filled with scientists in the field of meteoritics, but now most have gone. Apparently previous flames caused them to leave. Thats a sad comment. > > I am in no way telling this list's owner how to run the list, but we have found that this policy works extremely well on MPML. > > Those who do make personal attacks rarely contribute anything of substance to the list, so losing them is not much of a loss... > > Please keep the great information coming. It is what makes being a member of this list worth while. > > Please reconsider your posts before hitting the send button if there is no useful information in your message... > > Sorry for the length of this email. > Thanks for letting me comment. > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From gmhupe at htn.net Wed Aug 19 15:58:59 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:58:59 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 References: Message-ID: <7F3FDA7201C146748B1996B68EEF3DDB@Gregor> Hi Andi, Thank you for sharing the excellent photos. From the Pic-o-Day photo it looked like it had a black fusion crust, but after viewing the uncut mass photo, it looks like it must have been shadows in the slice picture. It does appear to have a thick crust in some areas, is this the case? Congrats again, Andi, for your fantastic meteorite! I had not seen this material until today with Michael Johnson's RFSPOD post, otherwise I would have inquired about what was available. Now I see there is nothing available :-/ If a nice slice or end cut is made available, please let me know! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Gren" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 > Hi List, > > thanks a lot for all the kind words about the finally classified ungrouped > iron meteorite. > > The Meteorite was purchased in 2005 at the Munich mineral fair, the TKW is > 726g. > > Here are the test results: > > : Bulk Composition: INAA data (J. Duke, UAb): Ni = 11.54 ? 0.03 wt%, Co = > 0.509 ? 0.003 wt%, Ga = 35.8 ? 0.4 ?g/g, Ge = 28 ? 4 ?g/g, Ir = 0.196 ? > 0.008 ?g/g, Au = 1.04 ? 0.02 ?g/g, As = 13.0 ? 0.2 ?g/g, Cu = 307 ? 23 > ?g/g, Cr = 32 ? 5 ?g/g (uncertainties 1?, 68% confidence level), W ? 0.27 > ?g/g, Re ? 0.05 ?g/g. Although Ni, Ga and Ge concentrations are similar > to the IAB-sLM/sLH group, the Au concentration is well below the minimum > 1.3 ug/g required to consider it part of the IAB complex. > > I don't really know if I'm already allowed to public this details, but I > hope it will be fine > > The picture from RFSPOD shows no meteoritic structure but the light angle > gives the best sight to the Graphite inclusions > > I will show some more pictures, please feel free to take a look if > interested: > > Main Mass: > > http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA_Iron_main.jpg > > > Magnifying: > > http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron2.jpg > > http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron3.jpg > > http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron4.jpg > > http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/Gren_iron_1.jpg > (copyright by Ted Bunch) > > some slices: > > http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWAIron1.jpg > http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_11.jpg > http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_12.jpg > > Details Graphite Inclusions: > > http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_13.jpg > http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_14.jpg > http://www.meteoritenhaus.de/img/NWA5804_24.jpg > > This is no AD, I'm sold out. > Thanks to Chris Herd for classification. > Thanks to the Hupe Brothers for the hint where to classify. > > Best greetings > Andi > > (and special thanks to my friend Koppli from Bavaria) > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg > Hupe > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. August 2009 19:16 > An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; bernd.pauli at paulinet.de > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 > > Hello Bernd, and other happy owners of NWA 5804, > > Congrats on your nice score, Bernd. Do you have a close-up of rosettes? > What > is the TKW of 5804? Truly a crazily-impressive meteorite! > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:57 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] RFSPOD - NWA 5804 > > >> Hello List, >> >> These graphite rosettes are truly unique when you look at them close-up >> and so is part of the fusion crust which looks, well, ... which looks >> like >> those eucrite pebbles in Vaca Muerta - unbelievable as that may sound! >> >> Best wishes from the happy >> owner of a 14.74-gr slice >> of NWA 5804, >> >> Bernd >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From daistiho at hotmail.com Wed Aug 19 16:52:13 2009 From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:52:13 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Last I saw, one of the priciest meteorites was the Martian Governador Valadares, of which only a few grams has ever made it out of institutions for private collectors. Milligrams cost thousands, and Bill Gates couldn't afford the main mass, should it ever become available. Best! Tracy Latimer ---------------------------------------- > From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question > > > > List: > > I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? > > Much Thanks, > > Greg S. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From gracie at sheverb.com Wed Aug 19 16:39:06 2009 From: gracie at sheverb.com (gracie) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars In-Reply-To: <340031.15862.qm@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <340031.15862.qm@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20504.64.88.170.40.1250714346.squirrel@sheverb.com> > I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to who > acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no doubt > there are others like me who will not do business with anyone who does not > present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We all have our > moments) Count me in as a new lurker and cautious buyer for these very reasons (Perhaps for every one who speaks up, there are a dozen who remain silent.) For other newcomers like me who are baffled by the petty bickering, I highly recommend the archives. There is a tremendous amount of great information and history out there! Gracie From fujmon at mac.com Wed Aug 19 17:36:04 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:36:04 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great question Greg, and excellent answers by list members in response! I was amazed at the prices quoted for some of the specimens - astronomical! For those who cannot afford such meteorites or their prices, I offer something a little more down-to-earth on ebay this week, where Bassikounou, Chergach, NWA pallasite, NWA oriented chondrite and Campos are still very affordable ... some still as low as 99? All are quality pieces that can be seen here for the auction ending Saturday: http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= gary On Aug 19, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: > > > List: > > I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not > scientific but the most value $/gram? > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do > Lunar meteorites still have the most value? > > Much Thanks, > > Greg S. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From icedance at swbell.net Wed Aug 19 17:35:40 2009 From: icedance at swbell.net (Don Edwards) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Message-ID: <768517.65512.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Greg Stanley wrote: > I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite > - not scientific but the most value $/gram? > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or > other?? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Just from my records of my collection, here are the most expensive $/gram: Calcalong Creek $367,650 (M Casper source) Mooresfort $48,475 (R Elliott source) Chassigny $27,015 (M Blood source) Lodran $25,500 (R Elliott source) Lafayette $17,361 (M Blood source Angra dos Reis $10,000 Glenrothes $10,000 Kobe $10,000 Govermador Valadares $9582 Wethersfield 1971? $8823 Pomozdino $8631 Forsbach $8333 Serra de Mage $7683 Darmstadt $7038 Peramiho $6733 Moore County $6463 LA 002 $6015 Wessely? $5813 Sylacauga $5572 Krahenberg? $4000 I didn't include the DAG/DHO/NWA etc because those prices have changed drastically over the years. Overall my average $/g: Lunar $1554; Martian $1325. Don From damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 17:52:34 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: <768517.65512.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <635055.44188.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike Farmer sold a 0.0232g fragment of Bells on ebay last night for $190.50, or $8211.20 per gram. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Don Edwards wrote: > From: Don Edwards > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 2:35 PM > Hi All, > > --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Greg Stanley > wrote: > > I was wondering what was the most valuable single > meteorite > > - not scientific but the most value $/gram? > > > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or > > other?? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most > value? > > Just from my records of my collection, here are the most > expensive $/gram: > > Calcalong Creek $367,650 (M Casper source) > Mooresfort $48,475 (R Elliott source) > Chassigny $27,015 (M Blood source) > Lodran $25,500 (R Elliott source) > Lafayette $17,361 (M Blood source > Angra dos Reis $10,000 > Glenrothes $10,000 > Kobe $10,000 > Govermador Valadares $9582 > Wethersfield 1971? $8823 > Pomozdino $8631 > Forsbach $8333 > Serra de Mage $7683 > Darmstadt $7038 > Peramiho $6733 > Moore County $6463 > LA 002 $6015 > Wessely? $5813 > Sylacauga $5572 > Krahenberg? $4000 > > I didn't include the DAG/DHO/NWA etc because those prices > have changed drastically over the years. > > Overall my average $/g: Lunar $1554; Martian $1325. > > Don > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From Impactika at aol.com Wed Aug 19 17:53:22 2009 From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:53:22 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Message-ID: Calcalong and Governador Valadares are good candidates. I would suggest Chassigny. Not so much because it is a Martian but because it is a Fall, almost 2 centuries old, a small meteorite, namesake of a whole class of meteorites, and so far the only named meteorite in this tiny class. Angra do Reis is another candidate, for similar reasons. And then you have many meteorites who are entirely in Museums or Institutions, and not available, no matter the ammount of money. Cabin Creek in Vienna, Goose Lake in The Smithsonian, are but 2 examples. I am sure there are many more examples. Anybody cares to think up of some more of those un-obtainable meteorites? Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/19/2009 2:52:33 PM Mountain Daylight Time, daistiho at hotmail.com writes: Last I saw, one of the priciest meteorites was the Martian Governador Valadares, of which only a few grams has ever made it out of institutions for private collectors. Milligrams cost thousands, and Bill Gates couldn't afford the main mass, should it ever become available. Best! Tracy Latimer ---------------------------------------- > From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question > > List: > > I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? From mail at mhmeteorites.com Wed Aug 19 17:53:58 2009 From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:53:58 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Message-ID: <2088003884-1250718913-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1939415990-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I am not charging enough I guess :) Matt Morgan ------Original Message------ From: Don Edwards Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Sent: Aug 19, 2009 3:35 PM Hi All, --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Greg Stanley wrote: > I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite > - not scientific but the most value $/gram? > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or > other?? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Just from my records of my collection, here are the most expensive $/gram: Calcalong Creek $367,650 (M Casper source) Mooresfort $48,475 (R Elliott source) Chassigny $27,015 (M Blood source) Lodran $25,500 (R Elliott source) Lafayette $17,361 (M Blood source Angra dos Reis $10,000 Glenrothes $10,000 Kobe $10,000 Govermador Valadares $9582 Wethersfield 1971? $8823 Pomozdino $8631 Forsbach $8333 Serra de Mage $7683 Darmstadt $7038 Peramiho $6733 Moore County $6463 LA 002 $6015 Wessely? $5813 Sylacauga $5572 Krahenberg? $4000 I didn't include the DAG/DHO/NWA etc because those prices have changed drastically over the years. Overall my average $/g: Lunar $1554; Martian $1325. Don ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA From tbear1 at cableone.net Wed Aug 19 17:25:40 2009 From: tbear1 at cableone.net (Ted Bunch) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:25:40 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Governador Valadares is one, Chassigny and Lodran of the classics are two others. When a few mg of these were offered at various times past, the calculated price/g was $50K and 30K respectively. Ted On 8/19/09 1:52 PM, "tracy latimer" wrote: > > Last I saw, one of the priciest meteorites was the Martian Governador > Valadares, of which only a few grams has ever made it out of institutions for > private collectors. Milligrams cost thousands, and Bill Gates couldn't afford > the main mass, should it ever become available. > > Best! > Tracy Latimer > ---------------------------------------- >> From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question >> >> >> >> List: >> >> I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific >> but the most value $/gram? >> >> Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar >> meteorites still have the most value? >> >> Much Thanks, >> >> Greg S. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. >> http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackTo >> School_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToS > chool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From darryl at dof3.com Wed Aug 19 18:06:12 2009 From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:06:12 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have the main mass and Bill Gates, where ever you are, don't listen to Tracy---you can easily afford it. Seriously, the comparative table previously provided is flawed as all the sales were not for one gram specimens. I've sold a 1/10 carat of GV for the equivalent of $165,000---but the most for a one gram specimen or more was "only" $12,000. BTW, I traded GV for the 13 kg Willamette specimen I obtained from the American Museum of Natural History. At the time, I thought it was one of my better exchanges.... ....ouch. ;-) On Aug 19, 2009, at 4:52 PM, tracy latimer wrote: > > Last I saw, one of the priciest meteorites was the Martian > Governador Valadares, of which only a few grams has ever made it out > of institutions for private collectors. Milligrams cost thousands, > and Bill Gates couldn't afford the main mass, should it ever become > available. > > Best! > Tracy Latimer > ---------------------------------------- >> From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question >> >> >> >> List: >> >> I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not >> scientific but the most value $/gram? >> >> Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do >> Lunar meteorites still have the most value? >> >> Much Thanks, >> >> Greg S. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. >> http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From jkg2 at cox.net Wed Aug 19 18:18:26 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:18:26 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090819221832.KRFJ21470.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> How about Bob Haag's Venus Stone? As far as I know, none has ever been offered for sale. Best, John Gwilliam At 02:53 PM 8/19/2009, Impactika at aol.com wrote: >Calcalong and Governador Valadares are good candidates. > >I would suggest Chassigny. Not so much because it is a Martian but because >it is a Fall, almost 2 centuries old, a small meteorite, namesake of a whole >class of meteorites, and so far the only named meteorite in this tiny class. > >Angra do Reis is another candidate, for similar reasons. > >And then you have many meteorites who are entirely in Museums or >Institutions, and not available, no matter the ammount of money. >Cabin Creek in >Vienna, Goose Lake in The Smithsonian, are but 2 examples. I am sure >there are >many more examples. > >Anybody cares to think up of some more of those un-obtainable meteorites? > >Anne M. Black >_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) >_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) >Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. >_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) > > >In a message dated 8/19/2009 2:52:33 PM Mountain Daylight Time, >daistiho at hotmail.com writes: >Last I saw, one of the priciest meteorites was the Martian Governador >Valadares, of which only a few grams has ever made it out of institutions for >private collectors. Milligrams cost thousands, and Bill Gates >couldn't afford >the main mass, should it ever become available. > >Best! >Tracy Latimer >---------------------------------------- > > From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question > > > > List: > > > > I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not >scientific but the most value $/gram? > > > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar >meteorites still have the most value? > > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From raremeteorites at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 18:20:00 2009 From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: <768517.65512.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <659262.9864.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't forget NWA 011 when only 58 milligrams was in private hands. It sold for an equivalent whopping $250,000.00/gram 0r 4500.00 for a 2 milligram speck. Overall, lunaites are and will always be king unless a piece of Mercury shows up with ground truth. Best Regards, Adam From raremeteorites at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 18:21:47 2009 From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Message-ID: <811083.40891.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Correction: the 2 milligram speck sold for $500.00 not $4,500.00. --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Adam Hupe wrote: > From: Adam Hupe > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question > To: "Adam" > Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 3:20 PM > Don't forget NWA 011 when only 58 > milligrams was in private hands.? It sold for an > equivalent whopping $250,000.00/gram 0r 4500.00 for a 2 > milligram speck.? Overall, lunaites are and will always > be king unless a piece of Mercury shows up with ground > truth.? > > Best Regards, > > Adam > > > From darryl at dof3.com Wed Aug 19 18:10:57 2009 From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:10:57 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Elliott Collection Sale Results Message-ID: <03CB5F43-91CF-4E61-8BB1-4761DBCA5562@dof3.com> Greetings: What John just mentioned about sticking to a limit prior to an auction is some of the very best advice you will ever receive as it regards the auction environment. Do not compete with others---stick to the number you've determined that works for you. In the same spirit, here is another bit of advice: do not be daunted by high estimates. So often I've heard friends mention "I can't believe so-and-so went for so little." Take the trouble of putting in a low bid, you might just have snagged an unbelievable bargain. Hope everyone is enjoying their summer. All best / Darryl On Aug 19, 2009, at 11:27 AM, John Gwilliam wrote: > This is very typical of auctions for just about anything, it is not > unique to meteorites. I've been to antique auctions where high > priced items got passed over while low end things got fought over. > Same is true for horses and cattle (which I have personal knowledge > of). > > Next time you bid at an auction, especially a live one, pay > attention to what goes on inside your head. Most people have a > "limit" of how much they will bid per increment and also what price > they will drop out. However, it's easy to get sucked into bidding > $10 or $20 or $50 more than you your original plan. It's easy to > "twenty dollar yourself to death" at auctions. In my opinion, it's > easier to justify bidding on twenty $50 items rather than one $1,000 > item even though they have the same total value. Auction bidding > can get addictive. > > Best, > > John Gwilliam Depth of Field Management | 1501 Broadway Suite 1304 | New York, New York 10036 | 212.302.9200 From Metorman46 at aol.com Wed Aug 19 18:44:57 2009 From: Metorman46 at aol.com (Metorman46 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:44:57 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars Message-ID: DITTO,DITTO,DITTO,DITTO,DITTO. HERMAN ARCHER IMCA # 2770 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From mqfowler at mac.com Wed Aug 19 18:46:10 2009 From: mqfowler at mac.com (Michael Fowler) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:46:10 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Message-ID: I suppose that should make me feel good that I "only" paid $700 a gram for a 5.70 gram slice of the NWA 2976 pairing! Mike Fowler Chicago > Correction: the 2 milligram speck sold for $500.00 not $4,500.00. > > > > --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Adam Hupe wrote: > > > > From: Adam Hupe > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question > > > To: "Adam" > > > Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 3:20 PM > > > Don't forget NWA 011 when only 58 > > > milligrams was in private hands. It sold for an > > > equivalent whopping $250,000.00/gram 0r 4500.00 for a 2 > > > milligram speck. Overall, lunaites are and will always > > > be king unless a piece of Mercury shows up with ground > > > truth. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Adam From freequarks at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 18:47:07 2009 From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:47:07 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: <768517.65512.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <768517.65512.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <822da19a0908191547o6f1d6c09va32604fba8f9a084@mail.gmail.com> Hi Don, Thanks for the list. Very interesting. However, I need to check my records, but I honestly don't remember paying more than $200,000 for the piece of Mooresfort I purchased from Rob Elloitt a while back. (;- ) Here's the write-up on that one. http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2005/May/Accretion_Desk.htm Best, Martin On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Don Edwards wrote: > Hi All, > > --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Greg Stanley wrote: >> I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite >> - not scientific but the most value $/gram? >> >> Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or >> other?? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? > > Just from my records of my collection, here are the most expensive $/gram: > > Calcalong Creek $367,650 (M Casper source) > Mooresfort $48,475 (R Elliott source) > Chassigny $27,015 (M Blood source) > Lodran $25,500 (R Elliott source) > Lafayette $17,361 (M Blood source > Angra dos Reis $10,000 > Glenrothes $10,000 > Kobe $10,000 > Govermador Valadares $9582 > Wethersfield 1971? $8823 > Pomozdino $8631 > Forsbach $8333 > Serra de Mage $7683 > Darmstadt $7038 > Peramiho $6733 > Moore County $6463 > LA 002 $6015 > Wessely? $5813 > Sylacauga $5572 > Krahenberg? $4000 > > I didn't include the DAG/DHO/NWA etc because those prices have changed drastically over the years. > > Overall my average $/g: Lunar $1554; Martian $1325. > > Don > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mlblood at cox.net Wed Aug 19 18:53:38 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:53:38 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question / LA 002 In-Reply-To: <768517.65512.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have a nice slice of LA 002 available at FAR less than the Price listed below. (Perhaps the last existing slice in the Market?) - I also have one of LA 001! Anyone interested please contact me off list for photo And price. RSVP Thanks, Michael On 8/19/09 2:35 PM, "DON EDWARDS" wrote: > Hi All, > > --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Greg Stanley wrote: >> I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite >> - not scientific but the most value $/gram? >> >> Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or >> other?? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? > > Just from my records of my collection, here are the most expensive $/gram: > > Calcalong Creek $367,650 (M Casper source) > Mooresfort $48,475 (R Elliott source) > Chassigny $27,015 (M Blood source) > Lodran $25,500 (R Elliott source) > Lafayette $17,361 (M Blood source > Angra dos Reis $10,000 > Glenrothes $10,000 > Kobe $10,000 > Govermador Valadares $9582 > Wethersfield 1971? $8823 > Pomozdino $8631 > Forsbach $8333 > Serra de Mage $7683 > Darmstadt $7038 > Peramiho $6733 > Moore County $6463 > LA 002 $6015 > Wessely? $5813 > Sylacauga $5572 > Krahenberg? $4000 > > I didn't include the DAG/DHO/NWA etc because those prices have changed > drastically over the years. > > Overall my average $/g: Lunar $1554; Martian $1325. > > Don > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mikewren at gilanet.com Wed Aug 19 19:18:26 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:18:26 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question / LA 002 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61054D55-5F8D-4421-ACC4-7DFF187E6179@gilanet.com> Hello, Not really meant to be serious ad, but this one is a steal then! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200358178952 Best Wishes Michael On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Michael Blood wrote: > I have a nice slice of LA 002 available at FAR less than the > Price listed below. (Perhaps the last existing slice in the > Market?) - I also have one of LA 001! > Anyone interested please contact me off list for photo > And price. > RSVP > Thanks, Michael > > > On 8/19/09 2:35 PM, "DON EDWARDS" wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Greg Stanley wrote: >>> I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite >>> - not scientific but the most value $/gram? >>> >>> Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or >>> other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? >> >> Just from my records of my collection, here are the most expensive >> $/gram: >> >> Calcalong Creek $367,650 (M Casper source) >> Mooresfort $48,475 (R Elliott source) >> Chassigny $27,015 (M Blood source) >> Lodran $25,500 (R Elliott source) >> Lafayette $17,361 (M Blood source >> Angra dos Reis $10,000 >> Glenrothes $10,000 >> Kobe $10,000 >> Govermador Valadares $9582 >> Wethersfield 1971 $8823 >> Pomozdino $8631 >> Forsbach $8333 >> Serra de Mage $7683 >> Darmstadt $7038 >> Peramiho $6733 >> Moore County $6463 >> LA 002 $6015 >> Wessely $5813 >> Sylacauga $5572 >> Krahenberg $4000 >> >> I didn't include the DAG/DHO/NWA etc because those prices have >> changed >> drastically over the years. >> >> Overall my average $/g: Lunar $1554; Martian $1325. >> >> Don >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From GeoZay at aol.com Wed Aug 19 19:26:13 2009 From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:26:13 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Program Repeat Tonight Message-ID: Just in case someone hasn't seen the documentary "Meteorite Men" yet, I noticed that it's being shown again on the Science Channel at 9pm Pacific Time. Just giving a heads up.... GeoZay From damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 19:42:56 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Program Repeat Tonight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <716433.44206.qm@web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 6pm PDT too -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 8/19/09, GeoZay at aol.com wrote: > From: GeoZay at aol.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Program Repeat Tonight > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 4:26 PM > > Just in case someone hasn't seen the? documentary > "Meteorite Men" yet, I > noticed that it's being shown again on the? Science > Channel at 9pm Pacific > Time. Just giving a heads up.... > GeoZay? > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From fcb at astronomics.com Wed Aug 19 19:43:26 2009 From: fcb at astronomics.com (Fred Bieler) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:43:26 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out Message-ID: <000001ca2126$d90e5730$8b2b0590$@com> One of the things my telescope business, Astronomics, allows me to do is own the astronomy oriented forum at www.cloudynights.com. This is the largest, and we believe the friendliest, astronomical forum site on the internet and the official world-wide forums of the 2009 International Year of Astronomy. We have over 33,000 registered users (some of whom are list members here). When I checked a few minutes ago, we had 368 registered users online in the middle of the day and a substantial number of anonymous users. Granted, Cloudy Nights has a lot of volunteer moderators who monitor the various fora full time and keep things civil, which is not something that can be done here because of the small size of the meteorite community, but there are a few things that might be worth considering. The basic Cloudy Nights Terms of Service are as follow: ?Simply put, the following behavior is expected from users: * Play Nice * Share * Be Polite * Be Honest * Respect other members & the administrators and moderators who are working to keep this board a useful resource. Above all, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.? If you want to see the full Cloudy Nights Terms of Service, here?s a link: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/233117/page /0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1. If a Cloudy Nights user violates the TOS, the moderators can give the user a warning strike and delete objectionable posts or portions of the post with the concurrence of the other moderators. Next violation, another warning and a second strike. Third strike, and it?s like baseball, you?re out (at least for a while to give you time to cool off). The moderators vote to give the user a three-day timeout (where the user can?t post to the fora or reply to fora comments for three days). After a three-day timeout, continued violations of the TOS result in another timeout of three days or longer, while violations after multiple timeouts leading to bans up to and including one for life. The moderators and administrators invariably have extended discussions about the penalties out of view of the general users before deciding on any of these steps. ? While it is unlikely that this meteorite forum has enough members to allow it to become a fully moderated forum like Cloudy Nights, Art might find it worthwhile to consider applying the CN three strikes rule himself when it comes to the flame wars and other uncivil emails that sometimes seem to far outnumber the useful emails. When large numbers of list members complain about the flame wars and the other members? failure to play nice, and some leave the forum for good because all they find is post after post kvetching and beating a dead horse, it might be time for the owner to apply a little gentle pressure on the offending members in an effort to retain the members who are being offended, rather than let them drift away. I?d rather lose a few bad apples than have them put the entire orchard at risk. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Better View Desired www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 From geeg48 at msn.com Wed Aug 19 19:56:15 2009 From: geeg48 at msn.com (GREG LINDH) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:56:15 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars In-Reply-To: References: <340031.15862.qm@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, I too am fairly new to the meteorite scene. I've been collecting for about 3 years. I second all that you wrote and say a hearty "Amen" to it. I'm not in the same financial position that you apparently are or I would also buy hundreds of thousands worth of meteorites. Must be nice. Anyway, I hope that you stick to your guns and buy from the good guys. They deserve it. Welcome to the community. Greg Lindh > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:51:05 -0400 > From: mike.hankey at gmail.com > To: damoclid at yahoo.com > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars > > Amen brother. > >> I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to who acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no doubt there are others like me who will not do business with anyone who does not present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We all have our moments) > > I can not agree more with this statement. As a new comer to this I was > horrified and embarrassed by the content of a lot of the messages that > came across it. Unfortunately, this list was my first impression of > the meteorite community and while I have met some very amazing and > brilliant people through this list, the conduct and arrogance from the > bad apples has left a bad taste in my mouth regarding this community > as a whole. The simple fact that the largest thread on this list since > I've been on here was titled "Who is the best meteorite hunter in the > world", speaks volumes. > > A problem I have witnessed in many industries over many years is that > really smart people sometimes get a little full of themselves (because > they are so smart). The first job I had out of college was for the > Credit Card company Visa. There were 100s of brilliant software > engineers that worked in my office. Sometimes they were too smart for > anyone else, so smart they were often blind to things that were right > in front of their face (like the internet becoming the power house of > e-commerce (job was in 94). I remember my boss saying to these guys in > a meeting once, when they were acting like arrogant fools: "we aren't > curing cancer here guys. get a grip." > > I will be spending 10s of thousands of dollars on meteorites in the > next year. 100s of thousands of dollars on meteorites over the next 5 > years (yes I'm totally hooked on these things). I will absolutely > never buy anything from anyone who has acted out or been a prick on > this list. Before I make a purchase I search the meteorite list > archives for the seller, and if they are a jerk I look else where. > > Being nice is good for business. > > Sincerely, > > Mike Hankey > http://www.mikesastrophotos.com > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: >> I hope that this email doesn't offend anyone. I mention two particular people who I won't name, but for the most part I am speaking in general. >> >> I've been on this list for several months now. I joined for all the reasons people usually join a mailing list; To make contacts with others that have similar interests to learn from these other people, and hopefully to eventually contribute something of substance to the group. >> >> For the first week or so after I joined the list, I started learning the players, and learning a bit more about meteorites. After about a week, someone posted a message about some material they had to offer. Another person asked what it was and whoo classified it. The first person answered the questions. Simple, clear and exactly as one would expect. Both were reasonable and courteous to the other. As a new collector who knew only a few people in the field, this interaction was exactly what I wanted to see. >> >> Since the meteorite market is so "thin" and a lot of it is based on "faith", faith that what is being offered is exactly what is being represented. It is important to me that the people I interact with, and purchase from, act professionally at all times. I have to have faith in this person. I have to trust them. This goes for the full time dealer as well as the "vest pocket" dealer who sells to improve his or her personal collection... >> >> I have purchased from both of these people, one of them has provided me with a large percentage of my collection purchases since then. I won't hesitate buying from either one... >> >> Having a good reputation is important to me. Being professional is too. >> >> What shocked me, as a new member was how many other people jumped in, making wild accusations, going off on tangents, much of which was not even remotely related to the original post, the question, or the reply. It was an eye opening event for me. A number of people who sell lost any chance to get my business. >> >> Since then there have been multiple flare ups, which has further reduced the pool of sellers I will do business with. Those I have lost faith in; Those who I can't trust. >> >> I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to who acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no doubt there are others like me who will not do business with anyone who does not present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We all have our moments) >> >> Of course people who don't sell don't really care about this, but that shouldn't be an excuse. The Golden Rule should apply... >> >> Some of the people on this list are also on the list I have run for over a decade, the Minor Planet Mailing List. That list has over 1200 subscribers and has a great mix of both professional and amateur astronomers with the common interest in asteroids and comets. I run the list with a very light hand. Scientific discussion and debate are welcome and encouraged, but one of the things that will get you moderated or banned is personal attacks. >> >> One of the worst things that can happen to any mailing list is unbridled flames wars. I recently read here that this list was filled with scientists in the field of meteoritics, but now most have gone. Apparently previous flames caused them to leave. Thats a sad comment. >> >> I am in no way telling this list's owner how to run the list, but we have found that this policy works extremely well on MPML. >> >> Those who do make personal attacks rarely contribute anything of substance to the list, so losing them is not much of a loss... >> >> Please keep the great information coming. It is what makes being a member of this list worth while. >> >> Please reconsider your posts before hitting the send button if there is no useful information in your message... >> >> Sorry for the length of this email. >> Thanks for letting me comment. >> >> -- >> Richard Kowalski >> http://fullmoonphotography.net >> IMCA #1081 >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Wed Aug 19 20:13:10 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:13:10 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003501ca212b$0100f230$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Seen the, how do you say, the procurement costs (?) I guess quite any Antarctic meteorite would be the most expensive one. Martin > List: > > I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not > scientific but the most value $/gram? > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do > Lunar meteorites still have the most value? > > Much Thanks, > > Greg S. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackT oSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From waltbranch at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 19 20:04:35 2009 From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:04:35 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out References: <000001ca2126$d90e5730$8b2b0590$@com> Message-ID: Hello Fred, I can honestly say that Cloudy Nights is my number one favorite site on the web. It is a model for others to follow. The members, moderators and administrators members are a great bunch of folks and if you are an amateur astronomer, you really need to be a Cloudy Nights member. In fact, it is open in another window right now! -Walter Branch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Bieler" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out One of the things my telescope business, Astronomics, allows me to do is own the astronomy oriented forum at www.cloudynights.com. This is the largest, and we believe the friendliest, astronomical forum site on the internet and the official world-wide forums of the 2009 International Year of Astronomy. We have over 33,000 registered users (some of whom are list members here). When I checked a few minutes ago, we had 368 registered users online in the middle of the day and a substantial number of anonymous users. Granted, Cloudy Nights has a lot of volunteer moderators who monitor the various fora full time and keep things civil, which is not something that can be done here because of the small size of the meteorite community, but there are a few things that might be worth considering. The basic Cloudy Nights Terms of Service are as follow: "Simply put, the following behavior is expected from users: * Play Nice * Share * Be Polite * Be Honest * Respect other members & the administrators and moderators who are working to keep this board a useful resource. Above all, do unto others as you would have them do unto you." If you want to see the full Cloudy Nights Terms of Service, here's a link: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/233117/page /0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1. If a Cloudy Nights user violates the TOS, the moderators can give the user a warning strike and delete objectionable posts or portions of the post with the concurrence of the other moderators. Next violation, another warning and a second strike. Third strike, and it's like baseball, you're out (at least for a while to give you time to cool off). The moderators vote to give the user a three-day timeout (where the user can't post to the fora or reply to fora comments for three days). After a three-day timeout, continued violations of the TOS result in another timeout of three days or longer, while violations after multiple timeouts leading to bans up to and including one for life. The moderators and administrators invariably have extended discussions about the penalties out of view of the general users before deciding on any of these steps. While it is unlikely that this meteorite forum has enough members to allow it to become a fully moderated forum like Cloudy Nights, Art might find it worthwhile to consider applying the CN three strikes rule himself when it comes to the flame wars and other uncivil emails that sometimes seem to far outnumber the useful emails. When large numbers of list members complain about the flame wars and the other members' failure to play nice, and some leave the forum for good because all they find is post after post kvetching and beating a dead horse, it might be time for the owner to apply a little gentle pressure on the offending members in an effort to retain the members who are being offended, rather than let them drift away. I'd rather lose a few bad apples than have them put the entire orchard at risk. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Better View Desired www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From freequarks at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:25:06 2009 From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:25:06 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: <003501ca212b$0100f230$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <003501ca212b$0100f230$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <822da19a0908191725yf014eb8o390cb58bbee79097@mail.gmail.com> Hi Martin, That logic would likely put Lost City of at the top of the most expensive procurement cost for a meteorite location. Best, Martin On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Martin Altmann wrote: > > Seen the, how do you say, the procurement costs (?) I guess quite any > Antarctic meteorite would be the most expensive one. > > Martin > > > From mike.hankey at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:37:30 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:37:30 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Mason Dixon Meteor - New Video Recovered Message-ID: - M Gaines recovered this video. - reflection of meteor on hood of truck is recorded. - poor quality and very difficult angle to work with. - you have to watch this 5-10 times to see what is going on - its from location in between M Gaines witness location and Rob Matson's drop spot - we can't publish lat/long or LOS info but can share privately. its another video so its still very cool. great work M Gaines! http://www.mikesastrophotos.com http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/new-mason-dixon-meteor-video/ From meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:50:49 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:50:49 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 5789 - any news on this provisional Martian? Message-ID: Hi List, It's been about 2 months since NWA 5789 was mentioned and I was wondering if there was any new insights or observations about it that someone might share? At one time there was talk that this meteorite might be a new Martian type which doesn't fit neatly in the current SNC classification. Has there been any update on this, and will the Nom Com approve it as a new type (and what name would they use for the type?), or will they simply file this one under Shergottite with "anomalous" in the notations? Best regards, MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From gmhupe at htn.net Wed Aug 19 21:21:12 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:21:12 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 5789 - any news on this provisional Martian? References: Message-ID: <0FE6D242788644BB8965BFD095207068@Gregor> Hello Mike, Here is a link to the most comprehensive, and regularly updated web site concerning Martian meteorites: http://www.imca.cc:80/mars/martian-meteorites.htm MetBul Provisional site: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/index.php?sea=nwa+5789&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=no&code=49469 There is still much scientific work being performed on NWA 5789, so updates may take some time. Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 5789 - any news on this provisional Martian? > Hi List, > > It's been about 2 months since NWA 5789 was mentioned and I was > wondering if there was any new insights or observations about it that > someone might share? At one time there was talk that this meteorite > might be a new Martian type which doesn't fit neatly in the current > SNC classification. Has there been any update on this, and will the > Nom Com approve it as a new type (and what name would they use for the > type?), or will they simply file this one under Shergottite with > "anomalous" in the notations? > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From daistiho at hotmail.com Wed Aug 19 21:23:27 2009 From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:23:27 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question redux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I guess I'm lucky; somehow I managed to acquire samples of 5 of the rarest on the list, and not for outrageous prices! I vote we rename the thread 'Unobtanium'. :D Best! Tracy Latimer _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 21:25:29 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - EBAY ITEMS ENDING, FREE TATAHOUINE WITH ANY PURCHASE Message-ID: <223467.29336.qm@web46416.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi to all, sorry for two ads in two days. Since this is only my second time posting more then 2 in a week, I hope you will let it slide - I wont do it much. I am less then $300 away from reaching powerseller status! There are some really nice items ending in under 3 hours. These are priced to sell. Since I have a lot of watchers on many items I will offer a free Tatahouine with any purchase made in the next 24 hours. Buy 2 things, get 2 free Tatahouine etc... the more you buy, the more you get free. Visit my listing here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 I also have a few Camel Donga thin sections that will be done soon, if you want one they are $80 each and if they go like last time, they will not last long. Everyone has been very pleased with the thin sections I offer, so be assured you will too. All come uncovered to allow the buyer the option of testing. The is the last batch of these I will have for sale. Hope everyone has a good evening, Thanks for looking. Greg C. From mikewren at gilanet.com Wed Aug 19 21:33:53 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:33:53 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - EBAY ITEMS ENDING, FREE TATAHOUINE WITH ANY PURCHASE In-Reply-To: <223467.29336.qm@web46416.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <223467.29336.qm@web46416.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64B4B38C-87C1-4B24-B5B8-FC0FBB2A9744@gilanet.com> YIKES! Two in Two days. Watch it man... he is out there! Hey, that didn't seem so bad, after all... Good luck to you on your auctions! Best Wishes Michael On Aug 19, 2009, at 6:25 PM, Greg Catterton wrote: > Hi to all, sorry for two ads in two days. Since this is only my > second time posting more then 2 in a week, I hope you will let it > slide - I wont do it much. > > I am less then $300 away from reaching powerseller status! > > There are some really nice items ending in under 3 hours. These are > priced to sell. > > Since I have a lot of watchers on many items I will offer a free > Tatahouine with any purchase made in the next 24 hours. Buy 2 > things, get 2 free Tatahouine etc... the more you buy, the more you > get free. > > Visit my listing here: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 > > I also have a few Camel Donga thin sections that will be done soon, > if you want one they are $80 each and if they go like last time, > they will not last long. > Everyone has been very pleased with the thin sections I offer, so be > assured you will too. All come uncovered to allow the buyer the > option of testing. > The is the last batch of these I will have for sale. > > Hope everyone has a good evening, Thanks for looking. > > Greg C. > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 21:34:16 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] question Message-ID: <900470.2859.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> 6 years ago right after the park forest fall,I was working with a small college with a trade that netted me my .97 gram fragment of KAKANGARI K class meteorite.I traded a 370 gram whole individual? of park forest to get that K class piece.It is only one of three K class type's out there.So to me that is the rarest class of meteorite out there.This has been? a most interesting thread.It's nice to see when some lame brain is bashing me or someone else.People have to learn to grow up. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From freequarks at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 21:46:06 2009 From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:46:06 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] question In-Reply-To: <900470.2859.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <900470.2859.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <822da19a0908191846v29d5ce01r179baa8ee415a01f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Steve, To add more opinionative fuel to the theoretical fire, the moment at which any particular specimen becomes a class complete with type specimen is the moment it is no longer so rare that it is alone in its petrology or chemistry. Therefore (and this is a job for SuperBernd), one might need to dip down into the annals of those mysterious meteorites who have no peers. Then choose the smallest TKW. But, of course, all that work and artificial value could be undone in just one split second. I'm glad I had not invested in CV3s on February 7th, 1969, or CM2s on September 27, 1969, or Shergottities on October 2, 1962. Best, Martin On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:34 PM, steve arnold wrote: > 6 years ago right after the park forest fall,I was working with a small college with a trade that netted me my .97 gram fragment of KAKANGARI K class meteorite.I traded a 370 gram whole individual? of park forest to get that K class piece.It is only one of three K class type's out there.So to me that is the rarest class of meteorite out there.This has been? a most interesting thread.It's nice to see when some lame brain is bashing me or someone else.People have to learn to grow up. > ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From cdtucson at cox.net Wed Aug 19 17:29:25 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:29:25 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090819172925.X17T2.9715.imail@fed1rmwml32> Greg, The highest documented price I find was on NWA 011. It sold at the Tucson gem show back in Feb. 2003 for $119,000.00 per gram. At that time it was thought to be from Mercury and was not paired yet. In May of 2004 a small piece was offered by "meteoritelab" .022 grams for a bargain price of just $60,000.00 per gram on ebay. Half off. Wow. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- Greg Stanley wrote: > > > List: > > I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? > > Much Thanks, > > Greg S. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From countdeiro at earthlink.net Thu Aug 20 00:25:36 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:25:36 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Building Blocks of Life Found Message-ID: <11916153.1250742336663.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Main stream media playing catch up. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE57H02I20090818 Count Deiro Las Vegas From freequarks at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 00:40:03 2009 From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:40:03 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: <20090819172925.X17T2.9715.imail@fed1rmwml32> References: <20090819172925.X17T2.9715.imail@fed1rmwml32> Message-ID: <822da19a0908192140m765c9ff7wc552b4519af41b17@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Just a thought, but maybe to add some realism here, we should only consider a price as a valid entry in the contest where 1) the sample that sold was equal to or more than one gram in mass, and 2) it actually sold for the noted price with payment in hard currency (as opposed to trade, etc.). Unfortunately the realism would take much of the fun out of this, but also much of the hype. I rarely spend more than a thousand a gram for a specimen in the gram or larger size. Best, Martin On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:29 PM, wrote: > Greg, > The highest documented price I find was on NWA 011. It sold at the Tucson gem show back in Feb. 2003 ?for $119,000.00 per gram. At that time it was thought to be from Mercury and was not paired yet. In May of 2004 a small piece was offered ?by "meteoritelab" .022 grams ?for a bargain price of just $60,000.00 per gram on ebay. Half off. Wow. Carl > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > > ---- Greg Stanley wrote: >> >> >> List: >> >> I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? >> >> Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? ?Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? >> >> Much Thanks, >> >> Greg S. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. >> http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 00:49:53 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Cease fires and Cataloging and Displaying collections was question In-Reply-To: <900470.2859.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <235003.58432.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 8/19/09, steve arnold wrote: People have to learn to grow up. > ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! I was unsure I'd ever see a day I'd be in agreement with you Steve. I/We promised to not "bash" if you would stop doing things worthy of bashing. If you completely refrain from talking about it and I/we will also. This has been a good cease fire arraignment so far so please don't push it. Seems to me that you would know you are pushing your luck with your other comments, knowing the things we have agreed to not talk about on list. I hope you are not doing it to inflame those members that think you have c******d, l**d to, or not p**d for meteorites you b*****t or that you s**d and t**k money for and n***r shipped or those who you may have g****n f**e meteorites to for example. If you are going to make comments "on list" knowing others have agreed to keep differences "off list" then are we to understand you are dropping the cease-fire? I hope not. Lets never mention them again nor give cause to mention them, Ok? Lets talk about positive things we can agree on like your great meteorite display in the hall. Did yo make it yourself? For others--how to you keep the dust off? Do you prefer clear doors? I like Steve's design and have been designing my own. The only other better display I've seen was the one made by Walter Branch which I think he sold on ebay meteorites and all. I'd like to hear how others-- including Steve of course, store and catalog their collection. I wish my catalog had been up to date when I had my accident because I am having to do a lot of paperwork after the fact proving what was turned into very very expensive road gravel else swept up by the road cleaner and taken to a landfill. I do know when I get settled I'll be photographing EVERY Collectible I own. That will ensure I'll never have another calamity! How do others maintain records for insurance purposes? Regards Elton From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 01:02:03 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Delays in processing samples In-Reply-To: <20090819172925.X17T2.9715.imail@fed1rmwml32> Message-ID: <512130.73208.qm@web55203.mail.re4.yahoo.com> This is a quick message to all those that have send me samples in the couple months-- most everyone is on the list. I've been on bed rest and haven't had the time to look at everything and write everyone back. I've several hundred emails to look back through so if you've not gotten an answer in the next two weeks feel free to prod my memory. BTW: I've a very limited quota for classification opportunities this fall especially if NASA's budget falls again. If you have something hot as in other than common chondrites, feel free to send me details and photos off list and we can discuss it. Elton From dave at fallingrocks.com Thu Aug 20 01:20:09 2009 From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:20:09 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Cease fires and Cataloging and Displayingcollections was question In-Reply-To: <235003.58432.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <900470.2859.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <235003.58432.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <478D609CCB1948E2B14AEA2F03CAE329@meteorroom> Elton/All, Re: your cataloging inquiry below, I submitted an article to Larry on this very subject which I think is running in the August 2009 issue (haven't seen it yet, though). There's a good bit of detail in the article itself, but a quick suggestion here is to videotape yourself "presenting" your collection specimen by specimen. Most of us know interesting details such as provenance, acquisition price, etc, for each specimen in our collection, and this information can be quickly and easily captured via your spoken words. Additionally, it is no trouble capturing good enough detailed images of each specimen (from many angles if necessary) in this way without breaking out the camera and lighting, sorting through all of the images, writing up the details, etc. All of that should really be done as well, of course, but one quick, simple and inexpensive solution (compared, say, to setting up a posting site) to capture this information with the ability to store multiple copies in different locations (in the event of fire, theft, whatever) is through video. All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mr EMan Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:50 AM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; steve arnold Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cease fires and Cataloging and Displayingcollections was question --- On Wed, 8/19/09, steve arnold wrote: People have to learn to grow up. > ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! I was unsure I'd ever see a day I'd be in agreement with you Steve. I/We promised to not "bash" if you would stop doing things worthy of bashing. If you completely refrain from talking about it and I/we will also. This has been a good cease fire arraignment so far so please don't push it. Seems to me that you would know you are pushing your luck with your other comments, knowing the things we have agreed to not talk about on list. I hope you are not doing it to inflame those members that think you have c******d, l**d to, or not p**d for meteorites you b*****t or that you s**d and t**k money for and n***r shipped or those who you may have g****n f**e meteorites to for example. If you are going to make comments "on list" knowing others have agreed to keep differences "off list" then are we to understand you are dropping the cease-fire? I hope not. Lets never mention them again nor give cause to mention them, Ok? Lets talk about positive things we can agree on like your great meteorite display in the hall. Did yo make it yourself? For others--how to you keep the dust off? Do you prefer clear doors? I like Steve's design and have been designing my own. The only other better display I've seen was the one made by Walter Branch which I think he sold on ebay meteorites and all. I'd like to hear how others-- including Steve of course, store and catalog their collection. I wish my catalog had been up to date when I had my accident because I am having to do a lot of paperwork after the fact proving what was turned into very very expensive road gravel else swept up by the road cleaner and taken to a landfill. I do know when I get settled I'll be photographing EVERY Collectible I own. That will ensure I'll never have another calamity! How do others maintain records for insurance purposes? Regards Elton ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From volcanoted at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 02:41:33 2009 From: volcanoted at yahoo.com (ted brattstrom) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Images of Honolulu and Palolo meteorites wanted Message-ID: <45236.71990.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Aloha - I am going to be doing a presentation on meteorites and impact next month in Hilo, and to make it a little locally interesting, I was hoping someone might have some good / large images of the Honolulu meteorite and the Palolo (valley) meteorite I could incorporate into my presentation. The couple I've seen online have been either smallish, or have slight focus problems. Pointers / or copies are welcome. Mahalo / Thanks For those interested in impact craters - my latest trip - to Kelly West Crater in Australia is online in a first draft format :-) http://kauscience.k12.hi.us/~ted/Craters/KellyWest.html and the links to the rest of the trips: http://kauscience.k12.hi.us/~ted/craters_and_more.htm Ted (who used to live in the Palolo valley) From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 02:59:48 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Source for sudden influx of Martian meteorites discovered Message-ID: <139817.52997.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Panoramic digital photograph reveals two meteorite hunters( possibly well financed IMCA members) disguised as Bedouins, in the distance collecting meteorites by following a US Vehicle. This was not detected until much later, only after processing and posting. No one can be sure how long this piggy backing has been going on. Apparently the vehicle's make and model were discovered and followed. Towards the last 1/3 of the sweep. Collectors had noted the spike in new martians with dubious provnence, now we know. Elton From info at meteorites.com.au Thu Aug 20 03:36:44 2009 From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:36:44 +1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Easy... Chassigny! Since I started collecting about 8 years or so ago the price has remained steady at ~$30,000/g. BUT... that's because it's only ever available as a few milligrams here and there. Lodran is a very similar one. Around $25,000-$30,000/g steady too. A number of others have sold for more on occasions for a few milligrams but those prices never hold-up over time. The old, low TKW namesakes will win every time. Cheers, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stanley" To: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:26 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Question > > > List: > > I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not > scientific but the most value $/gram? > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar > meteorites still have the most value? > > Much Thanks, > > Greg S. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk Thu Aug 20 03:58:36 2009 From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:58:36 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars Message-ID: Richard and Other Like you, I am a relative newcomer to this list. Like you in the short time I have been a member, I have been shocked at some of the language and accusations being flung around. I can already hear some list members saying, "Well! If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen". Nevertheless, like the UK, I am sure that the laws of libel in the US apply to e-mail as well as other forms of written communication. I know that everyone on the list is passionate about meteorites, otherwise why are we here, but some of us are allowing our passions to get in the way of our reasoning. We are all grown-ups, so let's act like them. Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals Department of Natural Sciences National Museums Scotland National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road EDINBURGH EH5 1JA Scotland Tel: 00 44 131 247 4283 E-mail: p.davidson at nms.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kowalski Sent: 19 August 2009 19:25 To: meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars I hope that this email doesn't offend anyone. I mention two particular people who I won't name, but for the most part I am speaking in general. I've been on this list for several months now. I joined for all the reasons people usually join a mailing list; To make contacts with others that have similar interests to learn from these other people, and hopefully to eventually contribute something of substance to the group. For the first week or so after I joined the list, I started learning the players, and learning a bit more about meteorites. After about a week, someone posted a message about some material they had to offer. Another person asked what it was and whoo classified it. The first person answered the questions. Simple, clear and exactly as one would expect. Both were reasonable and courteous to the other. As a new collector who knew only a few people in the field, this interaction was exactly what I wanted to see. Since the meteorite market is so "thin" and a lot of it is based on "faith", faith that what is being offered is exactly what is being represented. It is important to me that the people I interact with, and purchase from, act professionally at all times. I have to have faith in this person. I have to trust them. This goes for the full time dealer as well as the "vest pocket" dealer who sells to improve his or her personal collection... I have purchased from both of these people, one of them has provided me with a large percentage of my collection purchases since then. I won't hesitate buying from either one... Having a good reputation is important to me. Being professional is too. What shocked me, as a new member was how many other people jumped in, making wild accusations, going off on tangents, much of which was not even remotely related to the original post, the question, or the reply. It was an eye opening event for me. A number of people who sell lost any chance to get my business. Since then there have been multiple flare ups, which has further reduced the pool of sellers I will do business with. Those I have lost faith in; Those who I can't trust. I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to who acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no doubt there are others like me who will not do business with anyone who does not present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We all have our moments) Of course people who don't sell don't really care about this, but that shouldn't be an excuse. The Golden Rule should apply... Some of the people on this list are also on the list I have run for over a decade, the Minor Planet Mailing List. That list has over 1200 subscribers and has a great mix of both professional and amateur astronomers with the common interest in asteroids and comets. I run the list with a very light hand. Scientific discussion and debate are welcome and encouraged, but one of the things that will get you moderated or banned is personal attacks. One of the worst things that can happen to any mailing list is unbridled flames wars. I recently read here that this list was filled with scientists in the field of meteoritics, but now most have gone. Apparently previous flames caused them to leave. Thats a sad comment. I am in no way telling this list's owner how to run the list, but we have found that this policy works extremely well on MPML. Those who do make personal attacks rarely contribute anything of substance to the list, so losing them is not much of a loss... Please keep the great information coming. It is what makes being a member of this list worth while. Please reconsider your posts before hitting the send button if there is no useful information in your message... Sorry for the length of this email. Thanks for letting me comment. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Free Fringe music. Celebrate Homecoming at the National Museum of Scotland 8-30 August. www.nms.ac.uk/music National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. From mlblood at cox.net Thu Aug 20 07:03:14 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:03:14 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] LA 001 & LA 002 ATTN Bruno In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bruno, All of my emails to you over the last couple of years have been Returned to me with a message of, "this email address does not accept Spam", so, I am posting you via the list. PLEASE GO INTO YOUR EMAIL PROGRAM AND TAKE ME OFF YOUR SPAM LIST, PROGRAM TO ACCEPT EMAILS FROM MY EMAIL ADDRESS. You can see them at: http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2519669700035542431DtIxKN And http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2672092230035542431AhkMUf Contact me off list for prices, please, after you have adjusted Your email program to accept all email from my email address. RSVP off list please. Thanks, Michael -- >Dear Michael, >can you email us the pictures of LA with best prices. >Sincerely, >Bruno & Carine >La Memoire de la Terre Sarl >The Earth's Memory LLC >France >www.meteorite.fr >www.fossile.fr From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Thu Aug 20 07:06:35 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:06:35 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 20, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_20_2009.html __________________________ From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 20 09:16:35 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:16:35 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] A few odd questions on The Meteorite Men Message-ID: I'm not sure if this was mentioned earlier but during the Meteorite Men show when Steve and Geoff were digging only with shovels at the Alpha site, the commentator said, "It's possible that the meteorite fall at alpha is more recent than the one at Brenham so there is less time for soil to build up." In the beginning of the program Steve and Geoff were driving an ATV around a farmer's field in Brenham pulling the large metal detector sled. They had help from Dan using a back hoe because the meteorites were buried very deep (I figure about 4'- 5' deep). This site is nearby Steve's 1400 lb find. Huh? The commentator made it sound like there were two separate falls of the Brenham pallasite in the same strewnfield. How can one area be more recent than another of the same fall? I don't think that's likely, so I'm wondering why the meteorites on one side of the strewnfield is buried much more deeper than the alpha site. Is there more erosion to account for more soil on one end? Is one area more disturbed than the other? That is, plowed over repeatedly? It looked like the alpha site is not used much for farming. While I'm at it, why are the olivine crystals found at the alpha site not broken, or less broken, than the others? No explanation was given, but again inferred that the meteorites at the alpha site is fresher (recent)? Great show! I especially liked the segment where Steve, Geoff and Meenakshi were showing, sniffing and talking about the Murchison and Allende meteorites in the lab. 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Grondine) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Brenham date? Message-ID: <159210.82758.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi - Did anyone ever get a good radiocarbon date for Brenham? The one we have for Campo de Cielo confirmed the Mayan 2,360 BCE date. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas From mikewren at gilanet.com Thu Aug 20 10:57:58 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:57:58 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions Ending Today. Highlights Added. Big Specimens still at GREAT Prices (Buyers Point of View!) *Also Game For List Members! Message-ID: <6A2AF5EB-B304-4C71-8933-B05840372878@gilanet.com> Hello, (Recap of Game and Highlights added !) There are still many auctions that are priced below market value, which makes the game an even better deal for those who play. The game is really kind of set up for folks who already bid on my auctions weekly anyway, but it gives them a chance to basically get all their meteorites for free this week. If you were to be high bidder on let's say 12 auctions, and the cost of those auctions were $197.00, making you top winner for the game, you then get to go shopping for $300.00 worth of meteorites in my ebay store. You get $497.00 worth of meteorites for $197.00. This is just an example, but essentially you get your meteorites for next to nothing. Most of you of course, don't need this explanation. Is it a gimmick ?, of course it is. However, it is fun and if you do as many ebay auctions and sales as I do, you would find ways to keep it fun and interesting too. Ebay auctions can be tedious and down right boring to do week after week, so finding new ways to keep it fun is what I am after. Also, I remember what it was like to be a new collector who could not afford many meteorites! This game helps someone expand their collection for next to nothing. If I wanted my ebay auctions to go through the roof this week, I would of opened this game to the general public, instead it is ONLY FOR LIST MEMBERS. There are only about 1000 list members, but my ebay store visits from individuals, is over 20,000+ per month. Anyway, most of my sales come from non-list members these days, but the list is the "home place" for most of us. On Thursday August 20th (This Week) I have 49 Auctions ending. These were all started out at 0.99 cents. I am offering a $300.00 shopping spree in my ebay store to which ever list member wins the most auctions. A pretty simple game with big rewards. Just bid and win as many of those 49 auctions and be the winner of the most auctions and you then can go shopping in my ebay store and use the $300.00 on whatever you like. 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Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From countdeiro at earthlink.net Thu Aug 20 11:29:38 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:29:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Main Stream Media on Comets Message-ID: <18578263.1250782178753.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hello List, Looks like the "Main Stream" media is playing catch-up. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE57H02I20090818 Count Deiro Las Vegas From cynapse at charter.net Thu Aug 20 12:34:09 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:34:09 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter - Apollo 14 landing site In-Reply-To: <200908201341.n7KDfYO22869@levee.wustl.edu> References: <200908201341.n7KDfYO22869@levee.wustl.edu> Message-ID: <4luq8514vg9b2v1nga73vl672eq5um225i@4ax.com> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:41:44 -0500, you wrote: >Check this out: > >http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/?archives/91-Trail-of-Discovery-at-Fra-Mauro.html > >Click on the middle image, preferably on on a big screen > Any links to Apollo surface photos of "Weird Crater" (named after famed Victorian geologist Josiah Weird)? All I'm coming up with is photos of Weird Rock. From cynapse at charter.net Thu Aug 20 12:35:37 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:35:37 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Insane nutbaggery In-Reply-To: <200908201341.n7KDfYO22869@levee.wustl.edu> References: <200908201341.n7KDfYO22869@levee.wustl.edu> Message-ID: http://www.wretch.cc/blog/lin440315 From epgrondine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 11:31:41 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Correction to Campo de Cielo date Message-ID: <649819.18004.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi - The correct date for Campo de Cielo appears to be 17 February, 2,325 BCE. 25 October, 2,360 BCE is for the Rio Cuarto Impacts, which also occurred at "Matawil". My apology for the error. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas From cynapse at charter.net Thu Aug 20 12:46:05 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:46:05 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Block Island In-Reply-To: <200908201341.n7KDfYO22869@levee.wustl.edu> References: <200908201341.n7KDfYO22869@levee.wustl.edu> Message-ID: <2cvq85h5sp316dpkhtb7tpbn99bekhst3m@4ax.com> Look at this close up, especially at the shadows. Lots of jagged slivers of twisted metal! http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/1975/1P303517669ESFA5BXP2549L7M1.JPG From cynapse at charter.net Thu Aug 20 12:49:35 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:49:35 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Block Island In-Reply-To: <2cvq85h5sp316dpkhtb7tpbn99bekhst3m@4ax.com> References: <200908201341.n7KDfYO22869@levee.wustl.edu> <2cvq85h5sp316dpkhtb7tpbn99bekhst3m@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:46:05 -0500, you wrote: >Look at this close up, especially at the shadows. Lots of jagged slivers of >twisted metal! > >http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/1975/1P303517669ESFA5BXP2549L7M1.JPG Something else I just noticed-- are those "blueberries" in that indentation on the lower right? From cynapse at charter.net Thu Aug 20 12:58:37 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:58:37 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Block Island In-Reply-To: <2cvq85h5sp316dpkhtb7tpbn99bekhst3m@4ax.com> References: <200908201341.n7KDfYO22869@levee.wustl.edu> <2cvq85h5sp316dpkhtb7tpbn99bekhst3m@4ax.com> Message-ID: <250r85d77lm95br591j936bu2d0uhcs2n0@4ax.com> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:46:05 -0500, you wrote: >Look at this close up, especially at the shadows. Lots of jagged slivers of >twisted metal! > >http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/1975/1P303517669ESFA5BXP2549L7M1.JPG Found a discussion with amazing photos: http://www.marsroverblog.com/discuss-128996-on-the-road-again-again.html?page=8 From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de Thu Aug 20 12:04:16 2009 From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (Meteorite-Recon.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:04:16 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Correction to Campo de Cielo date Message-ID: <21554945.222111250784256193.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> E.P., list, out of curiousity: as you were previously talking about radio carbon dating, do you pull that "17 February" from the data provided by Cassidy et al (1972, 1996)? Their radio carbon dating of charcoal fragments extracted from the bottom of one of the craters gave an age of "~ 4,000 B.P." - one tends to interpret this figure rather as an approximation ... Svend www.meteorite-recon.com --- E.P. Grondine wrote: Hi - The correct date for Campo de Cielo appears to be 17 February, 2,325 BCE. 25 October, 2,360 BCE is for the Rio Cuarto Impacts, which also occurred at "Matawil". My apology for the error. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.meteorite-recon.com From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 12:07:08 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] freebies going out Message-ID: <594059.12733.qm@web57807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all,even to the naysayers.All freebies will be going out this weekend.So look to your mail boxes and your p o boxes for the lastest in a line of freebies to come.I hope u enjoy them as much as I enjoy sending them to you. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From damoclid at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 12:16:11 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter - Apollo 14 landing site In-Reply-To: <4luq8514vg9b2v1nga73vl672eq5um225i@4ax.com> Message-ID: <345768.60492.qm@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A quick search though the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/frame.html) only comes up with 'Weird Rock near Weird Crater" a few ties. I didn't spend any time looking at the photos, but you'll probably find it in those images. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Darren Garrison wrote: > From: Darren Garrison > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter - Apollo 14 landing site > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 9:34 AM > On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:41:44 -0500, > you wrote: > > >Check this out: > > > >http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/?archives/91-Trail-of-Discovery-at-Fra-Mauro.html > > > >Click on the middle image, preferably on on a big > screen > > > > Any links to Apollo surface photos of "Weird Crater" (named > after famed > Victorian geologist Josiah Weird)?? All I'm coming up > with is photos of Weird > Rock. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From epgrondine at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 12:29:25 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Block Island Message-ID: <72848.55563.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi - Yeah, blueberries where they are not supposed to be if they are water products. Generally, molten impact rock and impactor will condense into a sphere, unless deformed by atmospheric interaction, in which case you get a tektite. As Mars' atmosphere is close to a vacuum, my guess is that there were no convecting plumes on impacts, and what atmosphere there was nearby became a vacuum. But that is just a guess. Elton, you have any insights into Martian hypervelocity impacts? E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas From vk3ukf at hotmail.com Thu Aug 20 12:39:36 2009 From: vk3ukf at hotmail.com (Kevin Forbes) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:39:36 +1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Insane nutbaggery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lin is well known to us on the Mars Rover Blog. He peddled his wares, theories, images to back up his claims, all of which were guffawed at, politley, sometimes. He sees blood vessels and cells in every rock ever imaged, we didn't agree with what he saw, now he sees these things in AFM images as well, wow, they must be there then. Right? Either that, or sanatoriums in China have internet access. Which do you think. Am I being unkind, possibly, I apologise if so. _________________________________________________________________ Need a new model in your life? Sell your car fast. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F866383&_t=758314219&_r=carpoint_tagline&_m=EXT From countdeiro at earthlink.net Thu Aug 20 12:54:32 2009 From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:54:32 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [meteorite-list] Test Message-ID: <613239.1250787272829.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Test only. From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov Thu Aug 20 12:55:45 2009 From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D (3225)) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:55:45 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Block Island In-Reply-To: <2cvq85h5sp316dpkhtb7tpbn99bekhst3m@4ax.com> Message-ID: Yup. And how does one form such a thing...? And is it "twisted", or did something else happen here? Think "Imilac"... On 8/20/09 9:46 AM, "Darren Garrison" wrote: > Look at this close up, especially at the shadows. Lots of jagged slivers of > twisted metal! > > http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/1975/1P303517669ESFA5BXP2549L7M1.JP> G > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From cynapse at charter.net Thu Aug 20 14:06:18 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:06:18 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Block Island In-Reply-To: References: <2cvq85h5sp316dpkhtb7tpbn99bekhst3m@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:55:45 -0700, you wrote: >Yup. And how does one form such a thing...? And is it "twisted", or did >something else happen here? Think "Imilac"... > I'm more astounded by those blueberries, which suggest that Block Island possibly fell before the strata that contained the blueberries was deposited, which was then eroded away, exposing the meteorite again. Of course, I can think of a couple of other scenarios as to how they could have gotten there-- the possibility of the meteorite being covered with flowing water strong enough to suspend the blueberries, and the possibility of the blueberries being tossed into the air by a nearby cratering impact. From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov Thu Aug 20 13:02:15 2009 From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D (3225)) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:02:15 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Block Island In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You?d first have to convince me that, in the entire span of time that this rock sat exposed on the surface, the winds were never (even once) strong enough to move them along sufficiently to leave them on top of the rock. Bear in mind that the entire surrounding terrain is covered with wind-blown dunes. On the other hand, it seems reasonable to me that the meteorite was once buried in this terrain and has been exposed, possibly leaving the little pebbles behind. On 8/20/09 11:06 AM, "Darren Garrison" wrote: > On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:55:45 -0700, you wrote: > >> Yup. And how does one form such a thing...? And is it "twisted", or did >> something else happen here? Think "Imilac"... >> > > I'm more astounded by those blueberries, which suggest that Block Island > possibly fell before the strata that contained the blueberries was deposited, > which was then eroded away, exposing the meteorite again. > > Of course, I can think of a couple of other scenarios as to how they could > have > gotten there-- the possibility of the meteorite being covered with flowing > water > strong enough to suspend the blueberries, and the possibility of the > blueberries > being tossed into the air by a nearby cratering impact. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net Thu Aug 20 13:02:30 2009 From: larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net (Larry & Twink Monrad) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:02:30 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson's Flandrau Science Center Faces Closure References: Message-ID: Speaking of the 2010 Tucson Show, I am happy to announce that the entrances and exits from I-10 Freeway are open at last from the construction/new lanes west of downtown Tucson! Twink Monrad From geoking at notkin.net Thu Aug 20 13:48:44 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:48:44 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] A few odd questions on The Meteorite Men In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > The commentator made it sound like there were two separate falls of > the Brenham pallasite in the same strewnfield. How can one area be > more recent than another of the same fall? Dear Carl: Good morning from Tucson. Thank you for watching the show and for the feedback. I really enjoyed the segment with Meenakshi as well. The reference collection at ASU is outstanding and it is a treat just to get to visit. Carl, I just want to be sure you are clear that we filmed at two separate strewnfields. Brenham and Alpha are entirely different pallasites. Alpha is just a code name we used because we were still at the second site at the time of filming, and wanted to complete our work there before announcing any details. There is a very brief comment about the Alpha crystals. The narrator states, if I recall correctly: "the Alpha stones made the tumultuous journey to Earth without shattering." In another segment that unfortunately did not make the final cut, Meenakshi talks about how the olivine crystals in the Brenham pallasites are believed to have been shocked and shattered in space (possibly by asteroidal collisions) rather than as a result of impact on the Earth and/or subsequent weathering. With only 43 minutes of actual air time, once you discount the commercials, there is a lot of information we want to include, but there were some other informative segments that also had to be left out. It is very useful to hear feedback regarding parts of the show that were not clear to you, and I'll forward your comments to our director and producer. So, the conclusion is: Brenham crystals were shattered at some point in the distant past (in space) as a result of impact(s); the Alpha crystals were not. That is why the Alpha crystals lend themselves to being faceted into gemstones. We therefore infer that the Brenham pallasites' parent body experienced some form of significant impact; the Alpha pallasites' parent body did not. Please let me know if you have any other questions. It's really helpful to receive some constructive criticism. Oh, and you were right, the bottom of the big Brenhams were about 4 to 5 feet deep. I always tease Steve because I think it's a more exciting experience to dig them out by hand, but he's busy and wants to bring in the backhoe : ) Respectfully, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org From fujmon at mac.com Thu Aug 20 13:54:34 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:54:34 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] A few odd questions on The Meteorite Men In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Aloha Geoff, cc: Meteorite listees I know that your show is airing nationwide, but I don't get the Science Channel, and was hoping that you, or someone else on the metlist can record the episodes for me on tape or DVD. I would gladly exchange said recording(s) for a delicious chondrite ;^) gary On Aug 20, 2009, at 7:48 AM, Notkin wrote: >> The commentator made it sound like there were two separate falls of >> the Brenham pallasite in the same strewnfield. How can one area be >> more recent than another of the same fall? > > Dear Carl: > > Good morning from Tucson. Thank you for watching the show and for > the feedback. I really enjoyed the segment with Meenakshi as well. > The reference collection at ASU is outstanding and it is a treat > just to get to visit. > > Carl, I just want to be sure you are clear that we filmed at two > separate strewnfields. Brenham and Alpha are entirely different > pallasites. Alpha is just a code name we used because we were still > at the second site at the time of filming, and wanted to complete > our work there before announcing any details. > > There is a very brief comment about the Alpha crystals. The narrator > states, if I recall correctly: "the Alpha stones made the tumultuous > journey to Earth without shattering." In another segment that > unfortunately did not make the final cut, Meenakshi talks about how > the olivine crystals in the Brenham pallasites are believed to have > been shocked and shattered in space (possibly by asteroidal > collisions) rather than as a result of impact on the Earth and/or > subsequent weathering. With only 43 minutes of actual air time, once > you discount the commercials, there is a lot of information we want > to include, but there were some other informative segments that also > had to be left out. It is very useful to hear feedback regarding > parts of the show that were not clear to you, and I'll forward your > comments to our director and producer. > > So, the conclusion is: Brenham crystals were shattered at some point > in the distant past (in space) as a result of impact(s); the Alpha > crystals were not. That is why the Alpha crystals lend themselves to > being faceted into gemstones. We therefore infer that the Brenham > pallasites' parent body experienced some form of significant impact; > the Alpha pallasites' parent body did not. > > Please let me know if you have any other questions. It's really > helpful to receive some constructive criticism. Oh, and you were > right, the bottom of the big Brenhams were about 4 to 5 feet deep. I > always tease Steve because I think it's a more exciting experience > to dig them out by hand, but he's busy and wants to bring in the > backhoe : ) > > > Respectfully, > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 14:26:04 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] ? - a bit off topic - Kirks bad day. Message-ID: <781843.7352.qm@web46409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> We had Freddy vs Jason, then wished we didnt... how about this? http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/swst2a.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/starwars-startrek-captainkirk-darth.jpg yes I know, this is off topic, but Im sure many here are fans of one, if not both. Hope everyone is having a good day! Greg C. From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Thu Aug 20 16:03:10 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:03:10 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny Message-ID: I'm going to have an achondrite for my afternoon snack today. And then a carbonaceous chondrite for desert tonight. Mmmm... tasty. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/education/ediblerocks.html _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 From damoclid at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 16:11:38 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <963905.77276.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Interesting. Sounds much more enjoyable than this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geophagy#Human_geophagy -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Greg Stanley wrote: > From: Greg Stanley > Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 1:03 PM > > > > I'm going to have an achondrite for my afternoon snack > today.? And then a carbonaceous chondrite for desert > tonight.? Mmmm... tasty. > > > http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/education/ediblerocks.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do > online. > http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From meteoritemike at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 16:12:32 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:12:32 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Greg, Thanks for the link. :) Although I think a carbonaceous chondrite is a little harder on the inside than the nougat in a 3-Musketeers candybar. LOL There are many more meteorite-related educational lessons (for elementary through high school) at the following link - http://virtualastronaut.tietronix.com/teacherportal/pdfs/Exploring.Meteorite.Mysteries.pdf It's a large PDF download of an entire lesson plan called "Exploring Meteorite Mysteries". It's quite interesting and useful. Best regards, MikeG On 8/20/09, Greg Stanley wrote: > > > > I'm going to have an achondrite for my afternoon snack today. And then a > carbonaceous chondrite for desert tonight. Mmmm... tasty. > > > http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/education/ediblerocks.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. > http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From gmhupe at htn.net Thu Aug 20 16:15:03 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:15:03 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny References: Message-ID: <491B472D7E5D4C33925C87BB03622583@Gregor> Hi Greg S., Since I am on a 'low carb' diet, I will have to skip desert! :-/ Actually not on a particular diet, thought it sounded comical. However, a shocked Mars Bar sounds good! Maybe even with an extra topping of a few CAI sprinkles!! :-) Best regards, Greg H. ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stanley" To: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny > > > > I'm going to have an achondrite for my afternoon snack today. And then a > carbonaceous chondrite for desert tonight. Mmmm... tasty. > > > http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/education/ediblerocks.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. > http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 20 16:39:28 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:39:28 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] A few odd questions on The Meteorite Men Message-ID: Hi Geoff, Oh, then it is two different strewn fields. I should have payed more attention to that map of your SECRET Alpha site! :D So that was what Mike Farmer alluded to in an earlier post weeks ago about the mistake for showing that map. What ever became of those two large stones you and Steve found at Alpha? You two deserve a lot of credit and admiration for a great show.:) Carl Geoff wrote: >...Carl, I just want to be sure you are clear that we filmed at two separate strewnfields. Brenham and Alpha are entirely different pallasites. Alpha is just a code name we used because we were still at the second site at the time of filming, and wanted to complete our work there before announcing any details... _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 From fujmon at mac.com Thu Aug 20 16:51:28 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:51:28 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny In-Reply-To: <491B472D7E5D4C33925C87BB03622583@Gregor> References: <491B472D7E5D4C33925C87BB03622583@Gregor> Message-ID: <4731EC07-3773-4E36-A25C-A5390A38EF98@mac.com> Humor notwithstanding, wasn't there a fall where pieces of, or a complete stone was ingested by villagers? Can't seem to recall which fall it was ... gary On Aug 20, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Greg Hupe wrote: > Hi Greg S., > > Since I am on a 'low carb' diet, I will have to skip desert! :-/ > > Actually not on a particular diet, thought it sounded comical. > However, a shocked Mars Bar sounds good! Maybe even with an extra > topping of a few CAI sprinkles!! :-) > > Best regards, > Greg H. > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stanley" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:03 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny > > >> >> >> >> I'm going to have an achondrite for my afternoon snack today. And >> then a carbonaceous chondrite for desert tonight. Mmmm... tasty. >> >> >> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/education/ediblerocks.html >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. >> http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From mail at mhmeteorites.com Thu Aug 20 16:52:17 2009 From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:52:17 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny Message-ID: <191812851-1250801611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-335720192-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> M'bale was eaten. Matt ------Original Message------ From: Gary Fujihara Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com To: MeteorList Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny Sent: Aug 20, 2009 2:51 PM Humor notwithstanding, wasn't there a fall where pieces of, or a complete stone was ingested by villagers? Can't seem to recall which fall it was ... gary On Aug 20, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Greg Hupe wrote: > Hi Greg S., > > Since I am on a 'low carb' diet, I will have to skip desert! :-/ > > Actually not on a particular diet, thought it sounded comical. > However, a shocked Mars Bar sounds good! Maybe even with an extra > topping of a few CAI sprinkles!! :-) > > Best regards, > Greg H. > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stanley" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:03 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny > > >> >> >> >> I'm going to have an achondrite for my afternoon snack today. And >> then a carbonaceous chondrite for desert tonight. Mmmm... tasty. >> >> >> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/education/ediblerocks.html >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. >> http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA From meteoritemike at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 16:54:01 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:54:01 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] A few odd questions on The Meteorite Men In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Carl, Geoff, and List, The big "secret" of meteorite hunting for finds like "Alpha" is something that Steve Arnold himself has mentioned here on the List in the past - prior to the Meteorite Men TV show. There is a wealth of information that is available to the general public - this includes maps, reports, newspapers, deeds, public filings, etc. If a studious person was to comb through the data that is already available (courtesy of Nininger and others), then one can go back to the sites of previous finds and look for "left overs" using more modern equipment and techniques. The best place to find meteorites is where meteorites have already been found. :) The are more strewnfields to re-visit and re-comb than there are meteorite hunters to do it. There are 1530 approved meteorites found in the US, according the Met Bulletin. Somewhere in that number is a strewnfield full of spectacular meteorites that is waiting to be rediscovered - and probably many more like it. If you take every well-known and successful hunter on this List and divide up the 1530 finds/falls, that would keep them booked up solid well into the 90's. Steve and Geoff would be rolling around wheat fields in wheelchairs by then. ;) LOL Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG On 8/20/09, Carl 's wrote: > > > > Hi Geoff, > > Oh, then it is two different strewn fields. I should have payed more > attention to that map of your SECRET Alpha site! :D So that was what Mike > Farmer alluded to in an earlier post weeks ago about the mistake for showing > that map. What ever became of those two large stones you and Steve found at > Alpha? You two deserve a lot of credit and admiration for a great show.:) > Carl > > > Geoff wrote: >>...Carl, I just want to be sure you are clear that we filmed at two > separate strewnfields. Brenham and Alpha are entirely different > pallasites. Alpha is just a code name we used because we were still at > the second site at the time of filming, and wanted to complete our > work there before announcing any details... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From meteoritemike at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 16:56:24 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:56:24 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny In-Reply-To: <4731EC07-3773-4E36-A25C-A5390A38EF98@mac.com> References: <491B472D7E5D4C33925C87BB03622583@Gregor> <4731EC07-3773-4E36-A25C-A5390A38EF98@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Gary, I think you are referring to Novo-Urei, the type fall of ureilites. :) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/20/09, Gary Fujihara wrote: > Humor notwithstanding, wasn't there a fall where pieces of, or a > complete stone was ingested by villagers? Can't seem to recall which > fall it was ... > > gary > > On Aug 20, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Greg Hupe wrote: > >> Hi Greg S., >> >> Since I am on a 'low carb' diet, I will have to skip desert! :-/ >> >> Actually not on a particular diet, thought it sounded comical. >> However, a shocked Mars Bar sounds good! Maybe even with an extra >> topping of a few CAI sprinkles!! :-) >> >> Best regards, >> Greg H. >> >> ==================== >> Greg Hupe >> The Hupe Collection >> NaturesVault (eBay) >> gmhupe at htn.net >> www.LunarRock.com >> IMCA 3163 >> ==================== >> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stanley" >> > > >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:03 PM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm going to have an achondrite for my afternoon snack today. And >>> then a carbonaceous chondrite for desert tonight. Mmmm... tasty. >>> >>> >>> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/education/ediblerocks.html >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. >>> http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 17:00:06 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <110196.181.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mbale was also ingested by villagers. They also applied it to wounds thinking it was a cure from the Gods. Greg C. --- On Thu, 8/20/09, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny > To: "Gary Fujihara" > Cc: "MeteorList" > Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 4:56 PM > Hi Gary, > > I think you are referring to Novo-Urei, the type fall of > ureilites. :) > > Best regards and clear skies, > > MikeG > > > On 8/20/09, Gary Fujihara > wrote: > > Humor notwithstanding, wasn't there a fall where > pieces of, or a > > complete stone was ingested by villagers?? Can't > seem to recall which > > fall it was ... > > > > gary > > > > On Aug 20, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Greg Hupe wrote: > > > >> Hi Greg S., > >> > >> Since I am on a 'low carb' diet, I will have to > skip desert! :-/ > >> > >> Actually not on a particular diet, thought it > sounded comical. > >> However, a shocked Mars Bar sounds good! Maybe > even with an extra > >> topping of a few CAI sprinkles!! :-) > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Greg H. > >> > >> ==================== > >> Greg Hupe > >> The Hupe Collection > >> NaturesVault (eBay) > >> gmhupe at htn.net > >> www.LunarRock.com > >> IMCA 3163 > >> ==================== > >> Click here for my current eBay auctions: > >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stanley" > >> >> > > >> To: > >> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:03 PM > >> Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was > Funny > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm going to have an achondrite for my > afternoon snack today.? And > >>> then a carbonaceous chondrite for desert > tonight.? Mmmm... tasty. > >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/education/ediblerocks.html > >>> > >>> > _________________________________________________________________ > >>> Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date > with what you do online. > >>> http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 > >>> > ______________________________________________ > >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > Gary Fujihara > > AstroDay Institute > > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > > http://astroday.net > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From gmhupe at htn.net Thu Aug 20 17:03:33 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:03:33 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] A few odd questions on The Meteorite Men References: Message-ID: <7CC3CE83983749D087312101654C8DA9@Gregor> MikeG wrote, "Steve and Geoff would be rolling around wheat fields in wheelchairs by then." ...and I sure they would have even more advanced metal detectors than now or just plain 'magnetic rakes' being towed behind their wheelchairs! Pretty funny visual for any of us who will be lucky enough to be out 'making tracks' later on, as you said, "...well into [their][our] 90's." Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Carl 's" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A few odd questions on The Meteorite Men Hi Carl, Geoff, and List, The big "secret" of meteorite hunting for finds like "Alpha" is something that Steve Arnold himself has mentioned here on the List in the past - prior to the Meteorite Men TV show. There is a wealth of information that is available to the general public - this includes maps, reports, newspapers, deeds, public filings, etc. If a studious person was to comb through the data that is already available (courtesy of Nininger and others), then one can go back to the sites of previous finds and look for "left overs" using more modern equipment and techniques. The best place to find meteorites is where meteorites have already been found. :) The are more strewnfields to re-visit and re-comb than there are meteorite hunters to do it. There are 1530 approved meteorites found in the US, according the Met Bulletin. Somewhere in that number is a strewnfield full of spectacular meteorites that is waiting to be rediscovered - and probably many more like it. If you take every well-known and successful hunter on this List and divide up the 1530 finds/falls, that would keep them booked up solid well into the 90's. Steve and Geoff would be rolling around wheat fields in wheelchairs by then. ;) LOL Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG On 8/20/09, Carl 's wrote: > > > > Hi Geoff, > > Oh, then it is two different strewn fields. I should have payed more > attention to that map of your SECRET Alpha site! :D So that was what Mike > Farmer alluded to in an earlier post weeks ago about the mistake for > showing > that map. What ever became of those two large stones you and Steve found > at > Alpha? You two deserve a lot of credit and admiration for a great show.:) > Carl > > > Geoff wrote: >>...Carl, I just want to be sure you are clear that we filmed at two > separate strewnfields. Brenham and Alpha are entirely different > pallasites. Alpha is just a code name we used because we were still at > the second site at the time of filming, and wanted to complete our > work there before announcing any details... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Thu Aug 20 17:08:28 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:08:28 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Book Titled: The history of meteoritics and key meteorite collections Message-ID: List: Does anyone have a review on the following book: The history of meteoritics and key meteorite collections: fireballs, falls and finds, By Gerald Joseph Home McCall, A. J. Bowden, Richard John Howarth I have just discovered it and it looks interesting, but expensive $190.00 Thanks, Greg S. _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Thu Aug 20 17:00:56 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 20 Aug 2009 21:00:56 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Novo-Urei Message-ID: MikeG. writes: "Hi Gary, I think you are referring to Novo-Urei, the type fall of ureilites. :)" Hi Mike, Gary, and List, MikeG., this time *you* were faster so we're even :-) "On a September morning in 1886, several meteorites fell near the village of Novo Urei... one of the stones was soon recovered by local peasants, where- upon it was broken apart and eaten. The motivation for this rather unusual action is not known, but this constituted an impressive feat from a dental perspective, because the meteorite contained numerous small diamonds." Reference: McSWEEN H.Y. (1999) Meteorites and Their Parent Planets (Cambridge University Press, Glossary, p. 145). Best from stifling hot Germany, Bernd From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Thu Aug 20 17:09:08 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:09:08 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny In-Reply-To: <491B472D7E5D4C33925C87BB03622583@Gregor> References: <491B472D7E5D4C33925C87BB03622583@Gregor> Message-ID: <005601ca21da$7586b4f0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Try these ones: http://www.naturalcollection.eu/poze/707724239.jpg Fine crust and a sweet breccia. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg Hupe Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. August 2009 22:15 An: Greg Stanley; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny Hi Greg S., Since I am on a 'low carb' diet, I will have to skip desert! :-/ Actually not on a particular diet, thought it sounded comical. However, a shocked Mars Bar sounds good! Maybe even with an extra topping of a few CAI sprinkles!! :-) Best regards, Greg H. ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stanley" To: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny > > > > I'm going to have an achondrite for my afternoon snack today. And then a > carbonaceous chondrite for desert tonight. Mmmm... tasty. > > > http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/education/ediblerocks.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. > http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON :WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cynapse at charter.net Thu Aug 20 18:23:57 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:23:57 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Book Titled: The history of meteoritics and key meteorite collections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37jr85l6315c4ntimpoq3hthue8v1uv5rp@4ax.com> You can see large chunks of it on Google Books: http://books.google.com/books?id=7SvtVoa1W-cC&pg=PA192&dq=1862391947#v=onepage&q=&f=false From mail at mhmeteorites.com Thu Aug 20 17:14:38 2009 From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:14:38 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Book Titled: The history of meteoritics and keymeteorite collections Message-ID: <1653780711-1250802952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1272640014-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I did one for Palaios last year: . It is about halfway down the page in PDF format. Matt Morgan http://www.mhmeteorites.com ------Original Message------ From: Greg Stanley Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Book Titled: The history of meteoritics and keymeteorite collections Sent: Aug 20, 2009 3:08 PM List: Does anyone have a review on the following book: The history of meteoritics and key meteorite collections: fireballs, falls and finds, By Gerald Joseph Home McCall, A. J. Bowden, Richard John Howarth I have just discovered it and it looks interesting, but expensive $190.00 Thanks, Greg S. _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA From gmhupe at htn.net Thu Aug 20 17:19:17 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:19:17 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny References: <491B472D7E5D4C33925C87BB03622583@Gregor> <4731EC07-3773-4E36-A25C-A5390A38EF98@mac.com> Message-ID: <2FDA74AFA5C54D72808AD68ECDBC5A54@Gregor> Hi Gary, Now I remember one of the stones you inquired about. Here is part of the description from our old eBay description of El Hammami: "El Hammami, Very fresh H5/6 - from Mauritania, Africa, that fell August 10, 1997. This specimen came from the freshest example of this witnessed fall I have seen in years. The nomads who found the stones broke most of them looking for treasure inside not realizing they were holding the actual treasure. Some others were broken into smaller pieces for easier transport." I remember one of my very earliest trips to the Sahara to purchase meteorites from nomads. We were presented with a large ~7kg broken El Hammami stone where the crust looked "weird". Turns out the fusion crust was discolored by camel sweat and the orange dust of the sands from many kilometers to transport this stone to the 'market' in Morocco! I probably have some archived photos that I will share if I am able to find them easily, still have unpacked boxes from moving two years ago (which are still unpacked from moving to Florida five years ago!) Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Fujihara" To: "MeteorList" Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny > Humor notwithstanding, wasn't there a fall where pieces of, or a complete > stone was ingested by villagers? Can't seem to recall which fall it was > ... > > gary > > On Aug 20, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Greg Hupe wrote: > >> Hi Greg S., >> >> Since I am on a 'low carb' diet, I will have to skip desert! :-/ >> >> Actually not on a particular diet, thought it sounded comical. However, >> a shocked Mars Bar sounds good! Maybe even with an extra topping of a >> few CAI sprinkles!! :-) >> >> Best regards, >> Greg H. >> >> ==================== >> Greg Hupe >> The Hupe Collection >> NaturesVault (eBay) >> gmhupe at htn.net >> www.LunarRock.com >> IMCA 3163 >> ==================== >> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stanley" >> > > >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:03 PM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm going to have an achondrite for my afternoon snack today. And then >>> a carbonaceous chondrite for desert tonight. Mmmm... tasty. >>> >>> >>> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/education/ediblerocks.html >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. >>> http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From jnbran at verizon.net Thu Aug 20 17:34:52 2009 From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:34:52 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny References: <491B472D7E5D4C33925C87BB03622583@Gregor> <4731EC07-3773-4E36-A25C-A5390A38EF98@mac.com> <2FDA74AFA5C54D72808AD68ECDBC5A54@Gregor> Message-ID: <01c601ca21de$0de61800$4001a8c0@yourlk4rlmsu41> Hey Greg and List, The 1.6 kg El Hammami that I have been offering for sale has such camel sweat stains on it and I think that adds great character to the stone and the whole story behind this witnessed fall. If any one wants to see pictures of this there is one on my collection page on my website. I also have a few others that show the sweat stains well. Also, it is still for sale, sorry for slipping that in. Take Care, Jason Rocks from Heaven www.rocksfromheaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Hupe" To: "Gary Fujihara" ; "MeteorList" Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny > Hi Gary, > > Now I remember one of the stones you inquired about. Here is part of the > description from our old eBay description of El Hammami: > > "El Hammami, Very fresh H5/6 - from Mauritania, Africa, that fell August > 10, 1997. This specimen came from the freshest example of this witnessed > fall I have seen in years. The nomads who found the stones broke most of > them looking for treasure inside not realizing they were holding the > actual treasure. Some others were broken into smaller pieces for easier > transport." > > > I remember one of my very earliest trips to the Sahara to purchase > meteorites from nomads. We were presented with a large ~7kg broken El > Hammami stone where the crust looked "weird". Turns out the fusion crust > was discolored by camel sweat and the orange dust of the sands from many > kilometers to transport this stone to the 'market' in Morocco! I probably > have some archived photos that I will share if I am able to find them > easily, still have unpacked boxes from moving two years ago (which are > still unpacked from moving to Florida five years ago!) > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Fujihara" > To: "MeteorList" > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny > > >> Humor notwithstanding, wasn't there a fall where pieces of, or a >> complete stone was ingested by villagers? Can't seem to recall which >> fall it was ... >> >> gary >> >> On Aug 20, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Greg Hupe wrote: >> >>> Hi Greg S., >>> >>> Since I am on a 'low carb' diet, I will have to skip desert! :-/ >>> >>> Actually not on a particular diet, thought it sounded comical. However, >>> a shocked Mars Bar sounds good! Maybe even with an extra topping of a >>> few CAI sprinkles!! :-) >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Greg H. >>> >>> ==================== >>> Greg Hupe >>> The Hupe Collection >>> NaturesVault (eBay) >>> gmhupe at htn.net >>> www.LunarRock.com >>> IMCA 3163 >>> ==================== >>> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stanley" >>> >> > >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:03 PM >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] I Thought this was Funny >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm going to have an achondrite for my afternoon snack today. And >>>> then a carbonaceous chondrite for desert tonight. Mmmm... tasty. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/jpl/education/ediblerocks.html >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. >>>> http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> Gary Fujihara >> AstroDay Institute >> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >> http://astroday.net >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 17:43:43 2009 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:43:43 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars References: Message-ID: Peter Davidson said: > like the UK, I am sure that the laws of libel in the US... The Laws of Libel in the U.S. and the U.K. are as unlike as any laws bearing a similar name could be. U.K. Libel Law is a unique construction of the very concept of Libel as it is conceived of in the U.S and much of the rest of the world. Some would say U.K. Libel Law is an unique perversion of the concept. All despite the fact that U.S. and U.K. grow from the same root stock. However, I cannot explain why in an email sent to the U.K. for fear of U.K. Libel Law. Neither can I state that a U.K. chiropractor cannot cure you of leukemia by twiddling with your vertebrae. I can't speak on that issue -- sorry. It was recently ruled in the U.K. that defamatory postings on a message board (and presumably, a mailing list like this) are slander, not libel, akin to casual conversation in a bar, much less likely to be actionable. http://www.urban75.org/info/libel.html One could conceivably defend one's self by the evidence that many on this board were intoxicated by eating quantities of extraterrestrial matter, for example. Worth a try. It does sound at times like the posters are three sails to the wind. More of the wonders of U.K. Libel Law: http://www.citmedialaw.org/blog/2009/warning-uk-libel-law-may-be-hazardous-your-health http://www.thelegalweek.merseyblogs.co.uk/2008/10/blog_uk_libel_law_v_freedom_of.html\ http://www.englishpen.org/aboutenglishpen/campaigns/reformingthelibellaws/ and quickly, before the Law Lords shut down the Internet: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/aug/31/news.politicsandthemedia As for the appearance -- got to be careful not to libel anybody here -- that "some of us are allowing our passions to get in the way of our reasoning"? It will take more any Libel Law to stop that. Just sit back and enjoy it. Order another Martian Cocktail. Sterling K. Webb --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Davidson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars > Richard and Other > > Like you, I am a relative newcomer to this list. Like you in the short > time I have been a member, I have been shocked at some of the language > and accusations being flung around. I can already hear some list > members > saying, "Well! If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen". > Nevertheless, like the UK, I am sure that the laws of libel in the US > apply to e-mail as well as other forms of written communication. I > know > that everyone on the list is passionate about meteorites, otherwise > why > are we here, but some of us are allowing our passions to get in the > way > of our reasoning. We are all grown-ups, so let's act like them. > > Peter Davidson > Curator of Minerals > Department of Natural Sciences > National Museums Scotland > National Museums Collection Centre > 242 West Granton Road > EDINBURGH > EH5 1JA > Scotland > Tel: 00 44 131 247 4283 > E-mail: p.davidson at nms.ac.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Kowalski > Sent: 19 August 2009 19:25 > To: meteorite list > Subject: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars > > I hope that this email doesn't offend anyone. I mention two particular > people who I won't name, but for the most part I am speaking in > general. > > I've been on this list for several months now. I joined for all the > reasons people usually join a mailing list; To make contacts with > others > that have similar interests to learn from these other people, and > hopefully to eventually contribute something of substance to the > group. > > For the first week or so after I joined the list, I started learning > the > players, and learning a bit more about meteorites. After about a week, > someone posted a message about some material they had to offer. > Another > person asked what it was and whoo classified it. The first person > answered the questions. Simple, clear and exactly as one would expect. > Both were reasonable and courteous to the other. As a new collector > who > knew only a few people in the field, this interaction was exactly what > I > wanted to see. > > Since the meteorite market is so "thin" and a lot of it is based on > "faith", faith that what is being offered is exactly what is being > represented. It is important to me that the people I interact with, > and > purchase from, act professionally at all times. I have to have faith > in > this person. I have to trust them. This goes for the full time dealer > as > well as the "vest pocket" dealer who sells to improve his or her > personal collection... > > I have purchased from both of these people, one of them has provided > me > with a large percentage of my collection purchases since then. I won't > hesitate buying from either one... > > Having a good reputation is important to me. Being professional is > too. > > What shocked me, as a new member was how many other people jumped in, > making wild accusations, going off on tangents, much of which was not > even remotely related to the original post, the question, or the > reply. > It was an eye opening event for me. A number of people who sell lost > any > chance to get my business. > > Since then there have been multiple flare ups, which has further > reduced > the pool of sellers I will do business with. Those I have lost faith > in; > Those who I can't trust. > > I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to > who acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no > doubt there are others like me who will not do business with anyone > who > does not present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We > all have our moments) > > Of course people who don't sell don't really care about this, but that > shouldn't be an excuse. The Golden Rule should apply... > > Some of the people on this list are also on the list I have run for > over > a decade, the Minor Planet Mailing List. That list has over 1200 > subscribers and has a great mix of both professional and amateur > astronomers with the common interest in asteroids and comets. I run > the > list with a very light hand. Scientific discussion and debate are > welcome and encouraged, but one of the things that will get you > moderated or banned is personal attacks. > > One of the worst things that can happen to any mailing list is > unbridled > flames wars. I recently read here that this list was filled with > scientists in the field of meteoritics, but now most have gone. > Apparently previous flames caused them to leave. Thats a sad comment. > > I am in no way telling this list's owner how to run the list, but we > have found that this policy works extremely well on MPML. > > Those who do make personal attacks rarely contribute anything of > substance to the list, so losing them is not much of a loss... > > Please keep the great information coming. It is what makes being a > member of this list worth while. > > Please reconsider your posts before hitting the send button if there > is > no useful information in your message... > > Sorry for the length of this email. > Thanks for letting me comment. > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Free Fringe music. Celebrate Homecoming at the National Museum of > Scotland 8-30 August. www.nms.ac.uk/music > > National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 > > This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are > not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from > your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are > those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National > Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act > 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is > accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by > this message. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com Thu Aug 20 19:19:06 2009 From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 0:19:06 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson's Flandrau Science Center Faces Closure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090821001906.FPZI5.417706.root@web01-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> Hi All, Just to back up what Geoff says...I visited the Flandrau collection 2 years ago and had a great time (got the T-shirt to prove it) Even spent the evening there observing through the telescope that is open for the public too. Well worth a visit. Graham Ensor UK PS attended Rob Elliot's auction on tuesday...a very good day. ---- Notkin wrote: > Dear Listees: > > I thought some of you -- especially those who visit Tucson on a > regular basis -- might be interested in this story: > > http://tucsoncitizen.com/lizard/2009/08/18/tucson-it-is-time-to-step-up-be-counted-and-save-the-great-flandrau-science-center/ > > The late O. Richard Norton was a former director of the Flandrau and > they have an impressive meteorite collection, made up partly from > donations by Bob Haag, the late Jim Kriegh and others. The U of A > Mineral Museum, located in the basement of the Flandrau, has the main > masses of two very rare Arizona irons: Silverbell and Weaver Mountain. > The mineral collection comprises 19,000 specimens. Assuming (hoping) > it's still open in February, the Mineral Museum is well worth a visit > for those attending the 2010 Tucson gem show. > > > Respectfully, > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Thu Aug 20 19:44:17 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Dual Orion Capsules Studied for Manned Asteroid Missions Message-ID: <200908202344.n7KNiHDu013334@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0908/17orion/ Dual Orion capsules studied for manned asteroid missions BY CRAIG COVAULT SPACEFLIGHT NOW August 17, 2009 A manned asteroid mission using two Orion spacecraft, docked nose-to-nose to form a 50-ton deep space vehicle, is being studied by Lockheed Martin Space Systems as an alternative to resumption of U.S. lunar landing missions. The Orion asteroid mission concept is being unveiled just as the Presidential committee reviewing U.S. human space flight is citing asteroid missions after 2020 as a less costly alternative to NASA's proposed lunar landing infrastructure. Results of the review will be briefed to President Obama by Norman Augustine, committee chairman, by the end of August. [graphic] The docked Orion configuration as shown in a Lockheed Martin graphic (above) would have a total of four large solar arrays and two service modules as well as two command modules for extra space on the several week flight. Single 25-ton Orion spacecraft would first be used to replace the space shuttle for servicing the International Space Station. But use of them for asteroid missions and other deep space sites would maximize utilization of the Orion system if lunar landings are deleted as a near term goal. If one looks closely at the graphic, a space suited astronaut deployed from the Orion, is standing atop the asteroid. The graphic is from a Lockheed Martin promotional movie that shows concepts under study by the Orion prime contractor. Under the Bush Administration strategy, NASA had planned a resumption of lunar landing missions by about 2020 using the Orion as a lunar orbiting command ship while its crew descended to the moon in Altair landers for lengthy stays on the surface. The official NASA line has been solidly "all moon" for the last several years, while more realistic assessments over the same period have shown that is not feasible. NASA more recently, however, had become more open about an asteroid mission capability for Orion after space scientists and planners meeting before formation of the committee began to criticize the lunar goal as too fragile. Development and cost problems with the Ares 1 and Ares 5 launch vehicle programs have also become increasingly apparent since about 2007. Augustine and other committee members such as former astronaut Sally Ride have already reported publicly that NASA's current plan to retire the shuttle, finish the space station and return to the moon by the early 2020s is not even remotely feasible under NASA's current funding profile. Orion missions to asteroids would be useful to characterize and sample them. This would be important as early preparation to use some yet undetermined system if the need ever arose to divert an asteroid to save Earth from a devastating impact. Some asteroids are solid bodies, while others are rubble piles of loose rock, making samples and close up characterization useful for diversion studies that would differ depending upon the type of asteroid threatening Earth. In fact a Lockheed Martin video titled "Orion For Crewed Science Missions" shows the twin Orion configuration closely orbiting an asteroid while space suited astronauts explore its surface. With the minuscule gravity of an asteroid, astronauts flying manned maneuvering units could travel between the Orion combo and the object without ever requiring a much heavier, and expensive, asteroid landing vehicle. The video, little noticed at the time, was shown in early August at a propulsion conference in Denver sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics. The AIAA "Joint Propulsion Conference" so called because it brings together multiple international agencies often makes news as it also did in 2008 when Chinese researchers openly discussed their scramjet technology program. At this year's event, the Lockheed Martin video was part of a presentation delivered by former astronaut Brian Duffy, now Lockheed Martin vice president and program manager for the Altair lunar module part of the Orion lunar landing infrastructure. Duffy's presentation also cited satellite servicing that could be performed by astronauts from an Orion configuration, equipped with a shuttle-type manipulator arm deployed from its service module. The presentation also discussed use of single Orion spacecraft to service geosynchronous orbit military and civilian satellites and the potential for them to travel to Lagrangian points to service telescopes like the giant new Webb space telescope set for launch in about four years. Lagrangian points balance out gravity from the sun, Earth and moon allowing spacecraft to remain parked at those locations. They are about 1 million mi. from Earth, about the same distance as some asteroids passing near Earth. This means Orions configured for missions to telescopes, like Webb, at Lagrangian points would have a life support capability also generally suitable for asteroid missions. The twin Orion design includes large service modules on each spacecraft to allow extra space for astronauts to live in. More importantly more capability to carry life support systems for several week missions could be carried in the two service modules. From Tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com Thu Aug 20 20:34:43 2009 From: Tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com (Tom Randall (KB2SMS)) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:34:43 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Boy 6 finds meteorite.... Message-ID: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207865/Boy-6-goes-collect- eggs-hens--finds-meteorite.html From meteoritemike at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 20:48:40 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:48:40 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Boy 6 finds meteorite.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It looks like Santa left him a lump of coal. ;) On 8/20/09, Tom Randall (KB2SMS) wrote: > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207865/Boy-6-goes-collect- > eggs-hens--finds-meteorite.html > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From mlblood at cox.net Thu Aug 20 20:56:10 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:56:10 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson's Flandrau Science Center Faces Closure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I guess it will snow there in August! Michael On 8/20/09 10:02 AM, "Twink Monrad" wrote: > Speaking of the 2010 Tucson Show, I am happy to announce that the entrances > and exits from I-10 Freeway are open at last from the construction/new lanes > west of downtown Tucson! > > Twink Monrad > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From anitawestlake at att.net Thu Aug 20 20:54:45 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Book Titled: The history of meteoritics and key meteorite collections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <275367.44935.qm@web83809.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I checked out the book from the Emory University libraries a couple of years ago and found it quite good. I can't give specifics b/c it was awhile ago, but I do remember wanting to make a copy of virtually every page. See if you can't find it in a library somewhere before you go spending that kind of money (that you could use to buy another meteorite!) Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: Greg Stanley To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:08:28 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Book Titled: The history of meteoritics and key meteorite collections List: Does anyone have a review on the following book: The history of meteoritics and key meteorite collections: fireballs, falls and finds, By Gerald Joseph Home McCall, A. J. Bowden, Richard John Howarth I have just discovered it and it looks interesting, but expensive $190.00 Thanks, Greg S. _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From damoclid at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 21:11:23 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? Message-ID: <956694.60824.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Awhile back I asked this list for comments on trim saws. I got a number of comments off list and at least one person asked for an update once I decided on a saw. I just ordered the Husky 7" Wet Tile Saw from Home Depot http://tinyurl.com/lofh24 It seems to have a pretty good user rating (4.4 out of 5 stars, 18 ratings) and is currently on sale for $126.88 with free shipping. It is only available online and not in their stores. Unfortunately for those of you that live in Alaska or Hawai'i (or outside the US for that matter) it isn't available to you. Since I have to re-tile my bathroom, I can justify this saw a little easier! Thanks for all of you who gave me input. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From eric at meteoritesusa.com Thu Aug 20 21:19:42 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:19:42 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite AD Spots 1 Year For $99 Message-ID: <4A8DF62E.2000506@meteoritesusa.com> Hi all, If you sell meteorites, or have a meteorite or astronomy related website I encourage you to take part in this. It's well worth it. I've been asked many times over the last couple years whether I would sell advertising space on my Meteorites USA website and more recently my MeteoriteBlog.com site. I didn't really want to do that because it was simply not something I was ready to. Well, circumstances change, and I'm in a unique position to be able to offer home page advertising on my popular TOP 10 ranked MeteoritesUSA.com website. www.meteoritesusa.com MeteoritesUSA.com gets thousands of "unique" visitors every month, and it has great exposure with HIGH TOP 5 & TOP 10 RANKING on the web for many highly competitive keywords related to meteorites. Just type "How to find meteorites" in Google and see for yourself! I'm also TOP 10 for "Meteorite Information" OTHER MAJOR TOP 10 RANKINGS! Stone Meteorites Chondrite Meteorites NWA Meteorites Iron Meteorites For Sale Stone Meteorites For Sale There are many others... many of which are #1 ranked! These of course are proprietary inside info as I can't have ALL my competitors knowing what keyword phrases I target... ;) $99 will get you a 125x125 pixel banner ad linked directly to your site from the home page for 1 full year. No this is not a joke. I'm expanding my site, and will be moving more toward news and information, and concentrating on providing more meteorite related information. I will be offering more advertising for dealers and astronomy related websites in the future. In fact, I've created something that NO ONE has ever done before in the meteorite community and am working on fine tuning it over the next few months. Myself and many other meteorite community members have discussed it at length and I'm almost done creating it. Look for it around the time of the 2010 Tucson Show. In the meantime, if you want a spot on the home page of one of the TOP 10 meteorite sites on the internet you might want to hurry. Space will not last and I will not HOLD any spaces. Each spot will be sold on a first come first served basis. I'm only offering 10 AD spots! The AD spots are numbered 1 through 10 and separated into two zones. Zone 1: Above the Fold - Top half of the website. Viewed first! Zone 2: Lefthand Column - Below the fold home page links! Each one has it's advantages. However Zone 1 is much better space for your advertising dollar. The first 5 should go pretty quickly so you might want to reserve your spot pretty quickly. To make it fair for everyone, I'm offering AD spots in both zones for the same price of $99 for the whole year. This way everyone has the same opportunity at the same space. You don't have to be a dealer to get the AD spot, you could own an astronomy related website, or geology, or any other related field. As long as it is related in some way to meteorites I'll place your ad for 1 whole year on the home page of my site for $99. Reserve your meteorite AD spot by sending me an email or calling me at 904-236-5394 Talk to you guys soon... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com From tinbider at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 20 21:35:14 2009 From: tinbider at yahoo.co.uk (Aubrey Whymark) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Book Titled: The history of meteoritics and keymeteorite collections In-Reply-To: <1653780711-1250802952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1272640014-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <508624.40874.qm@web28509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi You can get a good idea on Google Books http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=7SvtVoa1W-cC&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=The+history+of+meteoritics+and+key+meteorite+collections&source=bl&ots=VYykBJ52lj&sig=KDOt2h-3RuKbIxp7BIBc5dDHRUk&hl=tl&ei=h_eNSvboKoGgkQXvm8C7Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false Also reviews at http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/gsl/publications/bookshop/page1331.html FYI the Geological Society often discounts the price very heavily for members and this is further reduced in the regular sales. For the book 'Tektites in the Geological Record: Showers from the Sky' the list price is GBP65, but I paid GBP25. I'm afraid I am not in UK, but in the Philippines, making ordering for others impractical, but maybe there are other members on the list. Regards, Aubrey --- On Thu, 20/8/09, Matt Morgan wrote: > From: Matt Morgan > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Book Titled: The history of meteoritics and keymeteorite collections > To: "Greg Stanley" , meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, 20 August, 2009, 10:14 PM > I did one for Palaios last year: > . > > It is about halfway down the page in PDF format. > > Matt Morgan > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > ------Original Message------ > From: Greg Stanley > Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Book Titled: The history of > meteoritics and keymeteorite collections > Sent: Aug 20, 2009 3:08 PM > > > > List: > > Does anyone have a review on the following book: > > The history of meteoritics and key meteorite collections: > fireballs, falls and finds, By Gerald Joseph Home McCall, A. > J. Bowden, Richard John Howarth > > I have just discovered it and it looks interesting, but > expensive $190.00 > > Thanks, > > Greg S. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From damoclid at yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 21:35:37 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? Message-ID: <720999.55150.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just got a beautiful slice of Muonionalusta and am curious about how to pronoun the name properly. I'm guess at least four different ways, but I'm hoping someone can tell me. One guess is Meew unyun a lust a a second Moo unyun a loost a wit the other two variations of those. Anyone? Thanks -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From erikfwebb at msn.com Thu Aug 20 21:44:35 2009 From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:44:35 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Boy 6 finds meteorite.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe Dirt! "Its my lucky meteor!!!" ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:48:40 -0400 > From: meteoritemike at gmail.com > To: Tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Boy 6 finds meteorite.... > > It looks like Santa left him a lump of coal. ;) > > > On 8/20/09, Tom Randall (KB2SMS) wrote: >> >> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207865/Boy-6-goes-collect- >> eggs-hens--finds-meteorite.html >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From edeckert at triad.rr.com Thu Aug 20 22:01:42 2009 From: edeckert at triad.rr.com (Ed Deckert) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:01:42 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] A few odd questions on The Meteorite Men References: Message-ID: <017801ca2203$54c2cfa0$6401a8c0@EdDeckertMain> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Carl 's" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A few odd questions on The Meteorite Men Steve and Geoff would be rolling around wheat fields in wheelchairs by then. ;) LOL Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG Ha ha! That was a good one, Mike. But I believe that you are a lot closer to the truth than you believe. I'd bet that Steve will have a fusion powered wheelchair with all-terrain tires, and be pulling a big, honking metal detector behind him out in the strewnfield! Not only that, he will likely tote along a state of the art, fusion powered, remote controlled backhoe with him as well (with Geoff insisting that Steve use his solar powered hand shovel instead!) ;-) Ed E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.13090 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From meteoritemike at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 23:07:51 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:07:51 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out In-Reply-To: References: <000001ca2126$d90e5730$8b2b0590$@com> Message-ID: Hi Fred, Walter and List, I second what Walter said. I always have a Cloudy Nights tab open in my browser - it's my second home. The atmosphere there is the standard by which I judge other forums, lists, and groups. That family-friendly, on-topic atmosphere is maintained by a dedicated staff in all time zones around the world - so it would be hard to duplicate that success here on this particular list. Truth be told, I would have been moderated on CN for some of the things I have said here on this List in the past - something I am not proud of. I try to behave here just as well as I do there - the only big difference is that vendors are more tightly controlled on CN to maintain impartiality in the world of astronomy equipment reviews - that site's primary focus. Meteorite is but a small (but growing) subset of the CN community. Cloudy Nights is responsible, in part, for guiding me into the world of astronomy and then meteorites. I wonder how many other CN members we have lurking on this List? Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/19/09, Walter Branch wrote: > Hello Fred, > > I can honestly say that Cloudy Nights is my number one favorite site on the > web. It is a model for others to follow. The members, moderators and > administrators members are a great bunch of folks and if you are an amateur > astronomer, you really need to be a Cloudy Nights member. > > In fact, it is open in another window right now! > > -Walter Branch > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Bieler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:43 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out > > > One of the things my telescope business, Astronomics, allows me to do is own > the astronomy oriented forum at www.cloudynights.com. This is the largest, > and we believe the friendliest, astronomical forum site on the internet and > the official world-wide forums of the 2009 International Year of Astronomy. > We have over 33,000 registered users (some of whom are list members here). > When I checked a few minutes ago, we had 368 registered users online in the > middle of the day and a substantial number of anonymous users. > > Granted, Cloudy Nights has a lot of volunteer moderators who monitor the > various fora full time and keep things civil, which is not something that > can be done here because of the small size of the meteorite community, but > there are a few things that might be worth considering. > > The basic Cloudy Nights Terms of Service are as follow: > "Simply put, the following behavior is expected from users: > * Play Nice > * Share > * Be Polite > * Be Honest > * Respect other members & the administrators and moderators who are working > to keep this board a useful resource. > Above all, do unto others as you would have them do unto you." > > If you want to see the full Cloudy Nights Terms of Service, here's a link: > http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/233117/page > /0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1. > > If a Cloudy Nights user violates the TOS, the moderators can give the user a > warning strike and delete objectionable posts or portions of the post with > the concurrence of the other moderators. Next violation, another warning and > a second strike. Third strike, and it's like baseball, you're out (at least > for a while to give you time to cool off). > > The moderators vote to give the user a three-day timeout (where the user > can't post to the fora or reply to fora comments for three days). After a > three-day timeout, continued violations of the TOS result in another timeout > of three days or longer, while violations after multiple timeouts leading to > bans up to and including one for life. The moderators and administrators > invariably have extended discussions about the penalties out of view of the > general users before deciding on any of these steps. > > While it is unlikely that this meteorite forum has enough members to allow > it to become a fully moderated forum like Cloudy Nights, Art might find it > worthwhile to consider applying the CN three strikes rule himself when it > comes to the flame wars and other uncivil emails that sometimes seem to far > outnumber the useful emails. When large numbers of list members complain > about the flame wars and the other members' failure to play nice, and some > leave the forum for good because all they find is post after post kvetching > and beating a dead horse, it might be time for the owner to apply a little > gentle pressure on the offending members in an effort to retain the members > who are being offended, rather than let them drift away. I'd rather lose a > few bad apples than have them put the entire orchard at risk. > > Fred Bieler > Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights > www.astronomics.com > 800.422.7876 > > > > Fred Bieler > Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Better View Desired > www.astronomics.com > 800.422.7876 > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From drtanuki at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 05:41:09 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+ Message-ID: <286006.30453.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear list, ? Steve Arnold Chicago? has another Ebay scam?; pulling the auction the day of the auction and cancelling all bids. Or Steve do you have a very good explanation? Potential buyers or bidders beware!? And whoever purchased the meteorite outside of EBAY, if they did, you are just as guilty as Big Steve. Any other bidders that are List members or have had the same happen on his other auctions please contact me as I am going to lodge a formal complaint with EBAY and have him removed as a seller. For all of you naysayers that take his free "gifts" and support him on the met-list please take a look and think before next time coming to his aid as a dupe. Thank you! Dirk Ross...Tokyo Item number:290341318450 http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=290341318450 > > > Bidder s***v? (Feedback score is 100 to 499) > ??? Cancelled: US $13.00 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-19-09 > 07:12:41 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder 6***rFeedback score is 500 to 999 ??? > Cancelled: US $27.99 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-19-09 > 09:55:51 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder s***s ??? Cancelled: US $12.00 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-19-09 > 06:53:49 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder l***eFeedback score is 100 to 499 ??? > Cancelled: US $46.98 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-18-09 > 19:52:27 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder c***4Feedback score is 50 to 99 ??? > Cancelled: US $59.65 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-19-09 > 10:23:52 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder n***aFeedback score is 50 to 99 ??? > Cancelled: US $1.25 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-18-09 > 20:50:08 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Fri Aug 21 08:05:15 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:05:15 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 21, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_21_2009.html __________________________ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From eric at meteoritesusa.com Fri Aug 21 09:44:06 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:44:06 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Dedication To Meteorites Message-ID: <4A8EA4A6.3030104@meteoritesusa.com> Hi listees, I'd like to share something with you guys. Some of you have probably seen this photo already as it's on Farmer's site. I simply want to single this one image out because it sums up everything about meteorites and why we love them so much in one single image. Every now and then I run across something that just makes me smile. Something that every meteorite enthusiast and every hunter knows. Something that's just plain cool! You want meteorites? Go get'em! http://www.meteoriteguy.com/adventures/muonionalusta/swedenhole.JPG Now THAT is dedication! Regards, Eric P.S. Good one Greg! From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Fri Aug 21 09:45:50 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:45:50 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out In-Reply-To: References: <000001ca2126$d90e5730$8b2b0590$@com> Message-ID: <002601ca2265$b261de00$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Hi all, I don't know. I read tons of postings, how horrible and how ugly this meteorite list is, endless criticism and complaints. Don't you see, what we all do have with this list? Doesn't that never-ebbing well of top information outweigh by far the permanent misbehaviour of three, four people? If you find a dog dropping in front of your house, are you calling the national guard? Will you move then and burn your house or will you ask to eradicate all canines? Take a shovel, it's annoying, I know, and remove it. In my eyes it's more than exaggerate to put the whole list into question, because a handful of people doesn't know how to behave or play the mentally challenged ones. Yes, I know. Simplest thing would be to remove the two or three notorious ones and everything would be fine again. No warning wouldn't be necessary, such characterless people like Steve Arnold Chicago are destroying the list since years now, and I'm sure, that Art was asked a hundred times to remove them, but he decided to be a phantom and that is his decision, which we have to accept. You can't compare the meteorite list to a moderated forum. It is a mailing list. And most liked it like it is or was. And all in all it worked fine. To ask Art to moderate the list, that would be really to much. It's great enough, that he set up this list and that he gives us a place to discuss. So let's stay well grounded and talk rather about rocks from space. My opinion, only. Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Galactic Stone & Ironworks Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 05:08 An: Walter Branch Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out Hi Fred, Walter and List, I second what Walter said. I always have a Cloudy Nights tab open in my browser - it's my second home. The atmosphere there is the standard by which I judge other forums, lists, and groups. That family-friendly, on-topic atmosphere is maintained by a dedicated staff in all time zones around the world - so it would be hard to duplicate that success here on this particular list. Truth be told, I would have been moderated on CN for some of the things I have said here on this List in the past - something I am not proud of. I try to behave here just as well as I do there - the only big difference is that vendors are more tightly controlled on CN to maintain impartiality in the world of astronomy equipment reviews - that site's primary focus. Meteorite is but a small (but growing) subset of the CN community. Cloudy Nights is responsible, in part, for guiding me into the world of astronomy and then meteorites. I wonder how many other CN members we have lurking on this List? Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/19/09, Walter Branch wrote: > Hello Fred, > > I can honestly say that Cloudy Nights is my number one favorite site on the > web. It is a model for others to follow. The members, moderators and > administrators members are a great bunch of folks and if you are an amateur > astronomer, you really need to be a Cloudy Nights member. > > In fact, it is open in another window right now! > > -Walter Branch > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Bieler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:43 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out > > > One of the things my telescope business, Astronomics, allows me to do is own > the astronomy oriented forum at www.cloudynights.com. This is the largest, > and we believe the friendliest, astronomical forum site on the internet and > the official world-wide forums of the 2009 International Year of Astronomy. > We have over 33,000 registered users (some of whom are list members here). > When I checked a few minutes ago, we had 368 registered users online in the > middle of the day and a substantial number of anonymous users. > > Granted, Cloudy Nights has a lot of volunteer moderators who monitor the > various fora full time and keep things civil, which is not something that > can be done here because of the small size of the meteorite community, but > there are a few things that might be worth considering. > > The basic Cloudy Nights Terms of Service are as follow: > "Simply put, the following behavior is expected from users: > * Play Nice > * Share > * Be Polite > * Be Honest > * Respect other members & the administrators and moderators who are working > to keep this board a useful resource. > Above all, do unto others as you would have them do unto you." > > If you want to see the full Cloudy Nights Terms of Service, here's a link: > http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/233117/page > /0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1. > > If a Cloudy Nights user violates the TOS, the moderators can give the user a > warning strike and delete objectionable posts or portions of the post with > the concurrence of the other moderators. Next violation, another warning and > a second strike. Third strike, and it's like baseball, you're out (at least > for a while to give you time to cool off). > > The moderators vote to give the user a three-day timeout (where the user > can't post to the fora or reply to fora comments for three days). After a > three-day timeout, continued violations of the TOS result in another timeout > of three days or longer, while violations after multiple timeouts leading to > bans up to and including one for life. The moderators and administrators > invariably have extended discussions about the penalties out of view of the > general users before deciding on any of these steps. > > While it is unlikely that this meteorite forum has enough members to allow > it to become a fully moderated forum like Cloudy Nights, Art might find it > worthwhile to consider applying the CN three strikes rule himself when it > comes to the flame wars and other uncivil emails that sometimes seem to far > outnumber the useful emails. When large numbers of list members complain > about the flame wars and the other members' failure to play nice, and some > leave the forum for good because all they find is post after post kvetching > and beating a dead horse, it might be time for the owner to apply a little > gentle pressure on the offending members in an effort to retain the members > who are being offended, rather than let them drift away. I'd rather lose a > few bad apples than have them put the entire orchard at risk. > > Fred Bieler > Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights > www.astronomics.com > 800.422.7876 > > > > Fred Bieler > Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Better View Desired > www.astronomics.com > 800.422.7876 > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Fri Aug 21 10:00:56 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:00:56 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams In-Reply-To: <739327.95088.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <242398.83433.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <739327.95088.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701ca2267$ce5ce210$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> >what would the IMCAs stance be? Would the members be just as ready to >remove them? Sure. See the Code of Ethics. But you need evidence and you have to complain. Anyway, I don't know, why people are buying such sensible goods like metorites from ebay, if they don't know the sellers at all and if they don't have affiance in IMCA. Then it's no wonder, that greed can take its toll in such an unsafe place like ebay. Martin On a summer day. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: imca-bounces at imcamail.de [mailto:imca-bounces at imcamail.de] Im Auftrag von Greg Catterton Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 15:10 An: imca at imcamail.de Betreff: Re: [IMCA] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams Not trying to defend him or anyone else, but I have seen other IMCA and non members do similar actions (ending auctions minutes before it ends due to low bids and also have strong evidence of shill bidding by others) I have been following 3 buyers after seeing suspect things happen. While I dont have 100% proof, I am all but certain this is going on and have been saving up evidence to support my claims. So I ask, once I have indisputable proof, should a well respected member be found to be doing such activity, what would the IMCAs stance be? Would the members be just as ready to remove them? Some of what I have seen includes auctions I was winning ended minutes before it ends (reasons given vary from listing error to item not available anymore) The same person out bidding me on a regular basis, yet no feedback is ever left from either person... The ebay buyer/user in question also had a more then 60% bid activity with the ebay seller in question and very low feedback total with not many transactions. This happens only when the selling price is really low - im talking to a point where I am sure a big loss (from normal market value) is possible - Im talking $20 per gram stuff with only $2 per gram bids. This is kind of a warning to all. If you do Shill bidding, people will catch on. People will start keeping track of suspect things. You will end up getting caught. just my 2 pennies while on this subject. Greg C. --- On Fri, 8/21/09, drtanuki wrote: > From: drtanuki > Subject: [IMCA] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams > To: "IMCA MAILING LIST" > Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 5:07 AM > Dear list, > ? Steve Aronld Chicago? has another scam; pulling > the auction the day of the auction and cancelling all bids. > I will not contact Steve Arnold as I can see clearly that he > has pulled another scam. > Potential buyers or bidders beware!? > Any other bidders that are IMCA members please contact me > as I am going to lodge a complaint with EBAY and have him > removed as a seller. > Thank you! Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > > Item number:290341318450 > http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=290341318450 > > > Bidder s***v? (Feedback score is 100 to 499) > ??? Cancelled: US $13.00 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-19-09 > 07:12:41 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder 6***rFeedback score is 500 to 999 ??? > Cancelled: US $27.99 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-19-09 > 09:55:51 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder s***s ??? Cancelled: US $12.00 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-19-09 > 06:53:49 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder l***eFeedback score is 100 to 499 ??? > Cancelled: US $46.98 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-18-09 > 19:52:27 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder c***4Feedback score is 50 to 99 ??? > Cancelled: US $59.65 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-19-09 > 10:23:52 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder n***aFeedback score is 50 to 99 ??? > Cancelled: US $1.25 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-18-09 > 20:50:08 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > _______________________________________________ > IMCA mailing list > IMCA at imcamail.de > http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca > _______________________________________________ IMCA mailing list IMCA at imcamail.de http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Fri Aug 21 10:30:07 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:30:07 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ooops..... Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebayscams In-Reply-To: <002701ca2267$ce5ce210$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <242398.83433.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com><739327.95088.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002701ca2267$ce5ce210$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <002a01ca226b$e1ad5a80$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Apologies. Last post was for the IMCA mailing list, not for the meteorite mailing list. Should have read the return address better. All these lists and fora..... Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 16:01 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebayscams >what would the IMCAs stance be? Would the members be just as ready to >remove them? Sure. See the Code of Ethics. But you need evidence and you have to complain. Anyway, I don't know, why people are buying such sensible goods like metorites from ebay, if they don't know the sellers at all and if they don't have affiance in IMCA. Then it's no wonder, that greed can take its toll in such an unsafe place like ebay. Martin On a summer day. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: imca-bounces at imcamail.de [mailto:imca-bounces at imcamail.de] Im Auftrag von Greg Catterton Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 15:10 An: imca at imcamail.de Betreff: Re: [IMCA] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams Not trying to defend him or anyone else, but I have seen other IMCA and non members do similar actions (ending auctions minutes before it ends due to low bids and also have strong evidence of shill bidding by others) I have been following 3 buyers after seeing suspect things happen. While I dont have 100% proof, I am all but certain this is going on and have been saving up evidence to support my claims. So I ask, once I have indisputable proof, should a well respected member be found to be doing such activity, what would the IMCAs stance be? Would the members be just as ready to remove them? Some of what I have seen includes auctions I was winning ended minutes before it ends (reasons given vary from listing error to item not available anymore) The same person out bidding me on a regular basis, yet no feedback is ever left from either person... The ebay buyer/user in question also had a more then 60% bid activity with the ebay seller in question and very low feedback total with not many transactions. This happens only when the selling price is really low - im talking to a point where I am sure a big loss (from normal market value) is possible - Im talking $20 per gram stuff with only $2 per gram bids. This is kind of a warning to all. If you do Shill bidding, people will catch on. People will start keeping track of suspect things. You will end up getting caught. just my 2 pennies while on this subject. Greg C. From drtanuki at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 10:36:56 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update Message-ID: <607705.29877.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear List, Major update on the Belgian bolide of 15AUG09: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Thank you Vincent from Belgium!! Dirk Ross...Tokyo From jkg2 at cox.net Fri Aug 21 10:38:19 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:38:19 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+ In-Reply-To: <286006.30453.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <286006.30453.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090821143828.TDHD21106.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Dirk and List, Friday morning editorial. It will be interesting to see how Steve Arnold Chicago responds to this allegation, that is, if he responds at all. My guess is that he'll go into hiding for a time and then reappear as if nothing has happened. But, in all fairness, I'm willing to wait a day or two and see how it all shakes out. I've known Dirk for a lot of years and spent many hours on the phone with him when two of our fellow List members were on an extended "vacation" to Oman. He's a stand-up guy and I don't recall ever hearing anything negative about him. Chicago Steve, on the other hand, well... I think I'll simply let his reputation speak for itself. If I had to put my hard earned cash on the table and gamble on the outcome of this situation, I think that all of you already know who I would bet on. Exposing fraud on the internet and within our communities is, or should be, the duty of all honest people. If your support of someone is colored by free beer, personal favors or, in this case, freebie meteorites, then maybe it's time to take a look in the mirror. I'm trying not to be bias. I'm merely relying on past experience to help me make a judgement call for myself. If some of you think this makes me a "naysayer" then so be it. Best Regards, and have a great weekend, John Gwilliam At 02:41 AM 8/21/2009, drtanuki wrote: > Dear list, > Steve Arnold Chicago has another Ebay scam?; pulling > the auction the day of the auction and cancelling all bids. Or > Steve do you have a very good explanation? > > Potential buyers or bidders beware! And whoever purchased the > meteorite outside of EBAY, if they did, you are just as guilty as Big Steve. > > Any other bidders that are List members or have had the same > happen on his other auctions please contact me as I am going to > lodge a formal complaint with EBAY and have him removed as a seller. > > For all of you naysayers that take his free "gifts" and support > him on the met-list please take a look and think before next time > coming to his aid as a dupe. > Thank you! Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > > > Item number:290341318450 > http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=290341318450 > > > > > > Bidder s***v (Feedback score is 100 to 499) > > Cancelled: US $13.00 > > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > > 07:12:41 PDT > > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > > Bidder 6***rFeedback score is 500 to 999 > > Cancelled: US $27.99 > > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > > 09:55:51 PDT > > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > > Bidder s***s Cancelled: US $12.00 > > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > > 06:53:49 PDT > > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > > Bidder l***eFeedback score is 100 to 499 > > Cancelled: US $46.98 > > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 > > 19:52:27 PDT > > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > > Bidder c***4Feedback score is 50 to 99 > > Cancelled: US $59.65 > > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > > 10:23:52 PDT > > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > > Bidder n***aFeedback score is 50 to 99 > > Cancelled: US $1.25 > > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 > > 20:50:08 PDT > > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From anitawestlake at att.net Fri Aug 21 10:56:28 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams In-Reply-To: <739327.95088.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <739327.95088.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <100897.18034.qm@web83804.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I have had the unfortunate experience of dealing with a dishonest member of this list myself. He had stuff on eBay (it wasn't even a meteorite!) and he had a "Buy It Now" price on it. I wanted that particular piece and contacted him immediately, saying I would buy it for that price. He told me he was "in negotiations with another buyer" and he thought he could get "an even higher price from him." So, he turned down my Buy It Now offer and offered me an inferior piece for the same price. When I told him I didn't want that one, he went off on a foul-mouthed tangent. He was yelling at ME when he was the one that was clearly in the wrong (on a couple of counts). He is such a disagreeable, dishonest man, I wouldn't buy a 1 pound lunar from him for free. And, I hope he rots in a very hot place. Anita drtanuki at yahoo.com> > Subject: [IMCA] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams > To: "IMCA MAILING LIST" > Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 5:07 AM > Dear list, > ? Steve Aronld Chicago? has another scam; pulling > the auction the day of the auction and cancelling all bids. > I will not contact Steve Arnold as I can see clearly that he > has pulled another scam. >? Potential buyers or bidders beware!? > Any other bidders that are IMCA members please contact me > as I am going to lodge a complaint with EBAY and have him > removed as a seller. > Thank you! Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > > Item number:290341318450 > http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=290341318450 > > > Bidder s***v? (Feedback score is 100 to 499) > ??? Cancelled: US $13.00 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-19-09 > 07:12:41 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder 6***rFeedback score is 500 to 999 ??? > Cancelled: US $27.99 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-19-09 > 09:55:51 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder s***s ??? Cancelled: US $12.00 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-19-09 > 06:53:49 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder l***eFeedback score is 100 to 499 ??? > Cancelled: US $46.98 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-18-09 > 19:52:27 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder c***4Feedback score is 50 to 99 ??? > Cancelled: US $59.65 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-19-09 > 10:23:52 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder n***aFeedback score is 50 to 99 ??? > Cancelled: US $1.25 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. ??? Bid: Aug-18-09 > 20:50:08 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > _______________________________________________ > IMCA mailing list > IMCA at imcamail.de > http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca > _______________________________________________ IMCA mailing list IMCA at imcamail.de http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca From GeoZay at aol.com Fri Aug 21 10:57:07 2009 From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:57:07 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+ Message-ID: >>If your support of someone is colored by free beer, personal favors or, in this case, freebie meteorites, then maybe it's time to take a look in the mirror.<< Well...I looked in the mirror and I didn't see any guilt. If someone wants to give me something free and there's no strings attached, I won't prevent it from coming my way. :O) I've received several freebies from Steve and he has never asked anything of me. GeoZay From majbaermann at web.de Fri Aug 21 11:05:23 2009 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:05:23 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+ References: <286006.30453.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20090821143828.TDHD21106.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: No naysayer at all, John. Thanks for your objective and noble statement. Thanks also to Dirk for his attempt to bring a bit more light into this case. A nice weekend to everyone, my best, Matthias Baermann ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gwilliam" To: "drtanuki" ; ; "steve arnold" ; "Elton Jones" Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+ > Dirk and List, > > Friday morning editorial. > > It will be interesting to see how Steve Arnold Chicago responds to this > allegation, that is, if he responds at all. My guess is that he'll go into > hiding for a time and then reappear as if nothing has happened. But, in > all fairness, I'm willing to wait a day or two and see how it all shakes > out. > > I've known Dirk for a lot of years and spent many hours on the phone with > him when two of our fellow List members were on an extended "vacation" to > Oman. He's a stand-up guy and I don't recall ever hearing anything > negative about him. Chicago Steve, on the other hand, well... I think I'll > simply let his reputation speak for itself. > > If I had to put my hard earned cash on the table and gamble on the outcome > of this situation, I think that all of you already know who I would bet > on. Exposing fraud on the internet and within our communities is, or > should be, the duty of all honest people. If your support of someone is > colored by free beer, personal favors or, in this case, freebie > meteorites, then maybe it's time to take a look in the mirror. > > I'm trying not to be bias. I'm merely relying on past experience to help > me make a judgement call for myself. If some of you think this makes me a > "naysayer" then so be it. > > Best Regards, and have a great weekend, > > John Gwilliam > > At 02:41 AM 8/21/2009, drtanuki wrote: >> Dear list, >> Steve Arnold Chicago has another Ebay scam?; pulling >> the auction the day of the auction and cancelling all bids. Or Steve do >> you have a very good explanation? >> >> Potential buyers or bidders beware! And whoever purchased the >> meteorite outside of EBAY, if they did, you are just as guilty as Big >> Steve. >> >> Any other bidders that are List members or have had the same happen on >> his other auctions please contact me as I am going to lodge a formal >> complaint with EBAY and have him removed as a seller. >> >> For all of you naysayers that take his free "gifts" and support him on >> the met-list please take a look and think before next time coming to his >> aid as a dupe. >> Thank you! Dirk Ross...Tokyo >> >> >> >> Item number:290341318450 >> http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=290341318450 >> > >> > >> > Bidder s***v (Feedback score is 100 to 499) >> > Cancelled: US $13.00 >> > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and >> > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 >> > 07:12:41 PDT >> > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT >> > Bidder 6***rFeedback score is 500 to 999 >> > Cancelled: US $27.99 >> > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and >> > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 >> > 09:55:51 PDT >> > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT >> > Bidder s***s Cancelled: US $12.00 >> > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and >> > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 >> > 06:53:49 PDT >> > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT >> > Bidder l***eFeedback score is 100 to 499 >> > Cancelled: US $46.98 >> > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and >> > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 >> > 19:52:27 PDT >> > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT >> > Bidder c***4Feedback score is 50 to 99 >> > Cancelled: US $59.65 >> > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and >> > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 >> > 10:23:52 PDT >> > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT >> > Bidder n***aFeedback score is 50 to 99 >> > Cancelled: US $1.25 >> > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and >> > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 >> > 20:50:08 PDT >> > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT >> > >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > John Gwilliam > > Too many people were born on third base > and go through life thinking they hit a triple. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 11:18:48 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:18:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Rare Types for Sale - Ureilite, Shergottite, Brachinite, CO3.3, Nakhlite, more. Message-ID: Hi List! 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Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Fri Aug 21 11:27:26 2009 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:27:26 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update In-Reply-To: <607705.29877.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <607705.29877.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Belgian fireball? There is nothing I would want more than to stand in line at the Westvletren Monastery for a case of the Abt 12 Trappist Ale, and to have some fine chocolate, and to hunt meteorites all at the same time... this would be heaven and those of you lucky enough to taste the Abt 12 know that this is the same beer that is consumed by the gods. Cheers, Mike Bandli -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of drtanuki Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 7:37 AM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update Dear List, Major update on the Belgian bolide of 15AUG09: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Thank you Vincent from Belgium!! Dirk Ross...Tokyo ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From metlist at plu.to Fri Aug 21 11:24:01 2009 From: metlist at plu.to (matt) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:24:01 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rob Elliott Auction Article with Photo's Message-ID: <4A8EBC11.6080202@plu.to> Angus Self attended the auction and has written an article for the British and Irish Meteorite Society website, you can read the article at http://www.bimsociety.org/article-auction.shtml Whilst your there please feel free to check out the rest of the site, new members are always welcome! Matt. From GeoZay at aol.com Fri Aug 21 11:40:15 2009 From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:40:15 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update Message-ID: >>Major update on the Belgian bolide of 15AUG09:<< Has this been definitely shown not to be a Perseid? Was it coming from the general direction of the Perseid radiant by any chance? Did it trail very long in the sky? About how fast did it seem to travel to the witnesses point of view? Very Fast? Fast? Medium? Slow? GeoZay From majbaermann at web.de Fri Aug 21 11:47:30 2009 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:47:30 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part3+ References: Message-ID: <1FE93CC4A2FA49D3B3279A2052E1CFC8@thinkcentre> Hello GeoZay, I'm sure nobody would begrudge you the presents you received. In any case, my personal experience says: presents can be dangerous as they knot an invisible ribbon between two persons. Not by chance old cultures often developed highly complecated rules and systems of giving and receiving. It's sometimes not such an easy and innocent affair. So I agree with Anita - there could be persons "I wouldn't buy a 1 pound lunar from for free". But, who knows, if the 1 pound would come from Mercury? ;-) No, I wouldn't either. Regards, Matthias Baermann I wouldn't buy a 1 pound lunar from him for free ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part3+ >>>If your > support of someone is colored by free beer, personal favors or, in > this case, freebie meteorites, then maybe it's time to take a look in > the mirror.<< > > Well...I looked in the mirror and I didn't see any guilt. If someone > wants > to give me something free and there's no strings attached, I won't > prevent > it from coming my way. :O) I've received several freebies from Steve and > he has never asked anything of me. > GeoZay > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From eric at meteoritesusa.com Fri Aug 21 11:54:24 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:54:24 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+ In-Reply-To: <20090821143828.TDHD21106.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <286006.30453.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20090821143828.TDHD21106.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <4A8EC330.10906@meteoritesusa.com> Hi listees, I probably shouldn't respond to this. But it is related to meteorites. This is NOT an attack on anyone, but rather something to add a little perspective to the situation. I too have spoken with Dirk on many occasions and find him a rather interesting guy to speak with. He's always polite and professional and I respect him, his site, and what he has contributed to the meteorite community. However I have to disagree (in a respectful way) with the use of the words scam, and fraud in this case. These are libelous words if no proof exists, and can be considered real accusations of fraud. Legal issues could come of this. Canceling an auction when it has bids is NOT a legal issue, though it may be unethical IF the only reason is to sell to another person off of Ebay. Which is a breach of Ebay policy and violation of Ebay's TOS (Terms of Service). However... Even though it is against Ebay policy, it's NOT against the law. To throw around words like scam and fraud is dangerous in this circumstance. Even habitual canceling of auctions may not be illegal. Certainly unethical, but illegal? I don't know. Let me give you a scenario. Let's say you're seller, and you list an item for sale. It gets a few bids and you're excited to sell it. Then in your excitement as you're moving stuff around your office or store you accidentally break the item! Ooops! Now what? You immediately send out an email to the persons bidding notifying them of the problem right? NOPE! Ebay doesn't allow you to contact bidders (unless of course they are a previous customer). Now you're in a pickle. What to do? Is it fraud if you end your auction even though you have bids? If you think it is then you need not be on Ebay because you don't know how Ebay works. Again, no offense... Ebay is NOT the law, it's a website that people sell on. Simple as that. I'm not saying this to defend Steve, but rather to point out that the libelous words used are inappropriate for this circumstance. Simply canceling an auction is not grounds for the words used unless you have proof. A link to an auction that has had canceled bids is NOT proof of anything other than an ended auction. I certainly hope I do not lose business because of this post, if so then those who would not purchase from me for such reasons, well, let's just say I would rather not have them as customers anyway. No offense... I have no problems with Steve personally or business wise. Steve has NEVER scammed or conned me out of anything EVER. If he had I would never do business with him again. He has been a good customer since I've been selling meteorites, as have many of you. Sometimes people confuse Ebay with the law, and this infuriates me as a seller. It's something I'm obviously passionate about because I've been selling for so long, but what really irks me is that people assume that because Ebay says it's so, then it's gospel. Ebay sucks for sellers! Everyone who sells on Ebay knows that. Their fees are outrageously expensive and equates to 15% to 25% of your gross sales. The only reason we use Ebay at all is for the reach. The sheer advertising power is phenomenal. You can reach millions of potential customers for pennies. THAT'S why Ebay is so popular. Oh, and because you can find really good deals on cool stuff like meteorites too... ;) The point to this post is not that I'm attacking or defending anyone but rather pointing out that there are valid reasons for sellers to cancel an auction. Maybe you listed an item and it got stolen, or broken, or you relisted it by accident (this might happen to a larger seller who lists hundreds or thousands of items per month). Maybe it was a grilled cheese sandwich with Jesus on it and your dog ate it! Thanks for reading this very long post. I promise my next one won't be as long... ;) Regards, Eric John Gwilliam wrote: > Dirk and List, > > Friday morning editorial. > > It will be interesting to see how Steve Arnold Chicago responds to > this allegation, that is, if he responds at all. My guess is that > he'll go into hiding for a time and then reappear as if nothing has > happened. But, in all fairness, I'm willing to wait a day or two and > see how it all shakes out. > > I've known Dirk for a lot of years and spent many hours on the phone > with him when two of our fellow List members were on an extended > "vacation" to Oman. He's a stand-up guy and I don't recall ever > hearing anything negative about him. Chicago Steve, on the other hand, > well... I think I'll simply let his reputation speak for itself. > > If I had to put my hard earned cash on the table and gamble on the > outcome of this situation, I think that all of you already know who I > would bet on. Exposing fraud on the internet and within our > communities is, or should be, the duty of all honest people. If your > support of someone is colored by free beer, personal favors or, in > this case, freebie meteorites, then maybe it's time to take a look in > the mirror. > > I'm trying not to be bias. I'm merely relying on past experience to > help me make a judgement call for myself. If some of you think this > makes me a "naysayer" then so be it. > > Best Regards, and have a great weekend, > > John Gwilliam > > At 02:41 AM 8/21/2009, drtanuki wrote: >> Dear list, >> Steve Arnold Chicago has another Ebay scam?; pulling >> the auction the day of the auction and cancelling all bids. Or Steve >> do you have a very good explanation? >> >> Potential buyers or bidders beware! And whoever purchased the >> meteorite outside of EBAY, if they did, you are just as guilty as Big >> Steve. >> >> Any other bidders that are List members or have had the same happen >> on his other auctions please contact me as I am going to lodge a >> formal complaint with EBAY and have him removed as a seller. >> >> For all of you naysayers that take his free "gifts" and support him >> on the met-list please take a look and think before next time coming >> to his aid as a dupe. >> Thank you! Dirk Ross...Tokyo >> >> >> >> Item number:290341318450 >> http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=290341318450 >> > >> > >> > Bidder s***v (Feedback score is 100 to 499) >> > Cancelled: US $13.00 >> > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and >> > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 >> > 07:12:41 PDT >> > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT >> > Bidder 6***rFeedback score is 500 to 999 >> > Cancelled: US $27.99 >> > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and >> > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 >> > 09:55:51 PDT >> > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT >> > Bidder s***s Cancelled: US $12.00 >> > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and >> > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 >> > 06:53:49 PDT >> > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT >> > Bidder l***eFeedback score is 100 to 499 >> > Cancelled: US $46.98 >> > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and >> > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 >> > 19:52:27 PDT >> > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT >> > Bidder c***4Feedback score is 50 to 99 >> > Cancelled: US $59.65 >> > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and >> > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 >> > 10:23:52 PDT >> > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT >> > Bidder n***aFeedback score is 50 to 99 >> > Cancelled: US $1.25 >> > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and >> > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 >> > 20:50:08 PDT >> > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT >> > >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > John Gwilliam > > Too many people were born on third base > and go through life thinking they hit a triple. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From fujmon at mac.com Fri Aug 21 12:06:53 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:06:53 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rob Elliott Auction Article with Photo's In-Reply-To: <4A8EBC11.6080202@plu.to> References: <4A8EBC11.6080202@plu.to> Message-ID: <45275586-2802-4F89-9FFE-D158D1765B1D@mac.com> Aloha Matt, That was a fine article with many pictures of meteorites over which one can easily go gaga (6.95kg Estherville I'm still drooling over) ;^P While at the site, I did as you suggested and perused the Flowlines online magazine. What a wonderful periodical with many articles of interest to me, and possibly to more than a few on this list. Oh, and I applied to become a member too ... didn't you know fujihara is a fine Irish name ? gary On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:24 AM, matt wrote: > Angus Self attended the auction and has written an article for the > British and Irish Meteorite Society website, you can read the > article at http://www.bimsociety.org/article-auction.shtml > > Whilst your there please feel free to check out the rest of the > site, new members are always welcome! > > Matt. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From nuuska at dlc.fi Fri Aug 21 12:11:50 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:11:50 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] Rob Elliott Auction Article with Photo's In-Reply-To: <45275586-2802-4F89-9FFE-D158D1765B1D@mac.com> References: <4A8EBC11.6080202@plu.to> <45275586-2802-4F89-9FFE-D158D1765B1D@mac.com> Message-ID: <4A8EC746.3010509@dlc.fi> > didn't you know fujihara is a fine Irish name ? Yap, originally Fuji O?Hara ;-) have a nice weekend, pekka s From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Fri Aug 21 12:23:37 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:23:37 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks everyone, I found this very interesting. I wonder how much ALH 84001 would sell for if it went to market? Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question > > > > List: > > I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? > > Much Thanks, > > Greg S. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery From cynapse at charter.net Fri Aug 21 13:31:15 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:31:15 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+ In-Reply-To: <4A8EC330.10906@meteoritesusa.com> References: <286006.30453.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20090821143828.TDHD21106.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <4A8EC330.10906@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: In light of the earlier proposal that all criticisms be phrased in the form of poetry, I quickly wrote this little ditty: `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. "Beware Steve Arnold, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!" He took his vorpal sword in hand: Long time the manxome foe he sought -- So rested he by the Tumtum tree, And stood awhile in thought. And, as in uffish thought he stood, Steve Arnold, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. "And, has thou slain Steve Arnold? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. Here is a dramatic reading, though they screw up a few lines: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm9o6DH_uzE From GeoZay at aol.com Fri Aug 21 12:31:23 2009 From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:31:23 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part3+ Message-ID: Mathias>>In any case, my personal experience says: presents can be dangerous as they knot an invisible ribbon between two persons. Not by chance old cultures often developed highly complecated rules and systems of giving and receiving. It's sometimes not such an easy and innocent affair. << I just told someone else off on the side that Steven has never done me wrong with the freebies. I pretty much deduce that I'm not the only person that gets them. He's been offering freebies for a long time now and I don't see a big rush of supporters when the ridicule comes up. So I don't think Steve expects anyone to come to his defense either. If he was, I think the giving out of freebies would disappear a long time ago. He has never asked anything of me other than a mailing address to send the meteorites to. Just about the only thing I've ever said to him was, "I'll take one" when offered and "Thank You" when they were received. Sometimes he has to asked for the mailing address again...but that's pretty much the conversation. My defense for him (and a few others that have been picked on in the past for other reasons), rests mainly that he has never done me wrong, so I got no beef. If someone else does, then that should be between the two of them. I think some others just like to pile on because that somehow makes them seem more acceptable with the majority. I think what rubs a lot of folks negatively towards Steve is the fact that he does give away freebies, or resells meteorites soon after being acquired. A lot of these folks are probably sellers or want to be's and they resent seeing something dispatched so cheaply. They probably see this as the lowering of value of their goods? >>So I agree with Anita - there could be persons "I wouldn't buy a 1 pound lunar from for free". But, who knows, if the 1 pound would come from Mercury? ;-) No, I wouldn't either.<< I probably wouldn't buy it either...but if Steven or anyone else has one of these up as a freebie, my hands are up. Let me know who you are and I'll give you my mailing address. :O) George Zay **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From jkg2 at cox.net Fri Aug 21 12:33:20 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:33:20 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+ In-Reply-To: <4A8EC330.10906@meteoritesusa.com> References: <286006.30453.qm@web53105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20090821143828.TDHD21106.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <4A8EC330.10906@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <20090821163322.DRAS16492.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> The sellers motive for closing an auction early and canceling all bids should indeed be taken into account. If the item is broken, stolen or you find out it does not function properly after you listed it, then you have a legitimate reason to close an auction early and cancel bids. This situation is different. The sole motive ( I talked with Dirk on the phone this morning and have seen, in writing, Steve's reply to him) in this case is simply about being offered more money (actually more value in a trade) which is unethical. If we throw ethics out the window and determine or behavior based singularly on what is legal, then we can become like the big business plunderers, who claim everything they did was within the law. Cheers, John At 08:54 AM 8/21/2009, Meteorites USA wrote (in part): >The point to this post is not that I'm attacking or defending anyone >but rather pointing out that there are valid reasons for sellers to >cancel an auction. Maybe you listed an item and it got stolen, or >broken, or you relisted it by accident (this might happen to a >larger seller who lists hundreds or thousands of items per month). >Maybe it was a grilled cheese sandwich with Jesus on it and your dog ate it! > >Thanks for reading this very long post. I promise my next one won't >be as long... ;) > >Regards, >Eric John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From GeoZay at aol.com Fri Aug 21 12:34:07 2009 From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:34:07 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+ Message-ID: >>In light of the earlier proposal that all criticisms be phrased in the form of poetry, I quickly wrote this little ditty: `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. "Beware Steve Arnold, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!" He took his vorpal sword in hand: Long time the manxome foe he sought -- So rested he by the Tumtum tree, And stood awhile in thought. And, as in uffish thought he stood, Steve Arnold, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. "And, has thou slain Steve Arnold? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. << I don't know what the hell you just said...but it does look poetic. :O) GeoZay **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From jgrossman at usgs.gov Fri Aug 21 12:50:11 2009 From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:50:11 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Probably 5-10 (years). At 12:23 PM 8/21/2009, Greg Stanley wrote: >Thanks everyone, I found this very interesting. > >I wonder how much ALH 84001 would sell for if it went to market? > >Greg S. > >---------------------------------------- > > From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question > > > > > > > > List: > > > > I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not > scientific but the most value $/gram? > > > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do > Lunar meteorites still have the most value? > > > > Much Thanks, > > > > Greg S. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > > > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >_________________________________________________________________ >With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA From raremeteorites at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 13:07:22 2009 From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <535388.25599.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear List Members, I have had a lot of time to ponder what some of these Antarctic planetary pieces would go for. My guess is that they would start out real high and then become less and less as the market reaches saturation. It would take less than 300 grams of any Martian meteorite to satisfy the collector market short-term. The Antarctic pieces would be no different if the pieces became suddenly available. If all of ALH84001 was available, my guess would be that it would start out at around $50,000/gram and then be less than $5,000/gram within a year due to the weight of the piece. It would only hold the $5,000/gram price due to the claims and studies regarding this famous stone. No meteorite in the world will hold a price of over $50,000/gram for very long if more than 300 grams is available. The Antarctic Lunaites would start out a lower price than ALH84001 but would hold prices long-term because there are a lot of buyers of moon rocks who are not necessarily interested in meteorites. In other words, Lunaites reach into several markets while most meteorites are incorporated only into advanced mineral collections or institutions. Almost everybody can relate to rocks from the Moon due to it being our closet celestial neighbor and the massive NASA Apollo undertakings, considered the most important achievement in history by a great deal of the world's population. You have heard the term, "I would give her the moon if I could" Now, mere mortals can own a piece of the Moon and Mars too. If the Antarctic pieces become suddenly available, they would quickly lose a lot of their mystique and become similarly priced. Meteorites do not care where they land and when it comes to planetary pieces, the market seems to care very little where they were found so long as they were legally exported. On another subject, it is my belief that a North American lunar meteorite will be found soon. The only thing that could top this would be if a meteorite from the Moon was witnessed as a fall! We can only dream, Best Regards, Adam --- On Fri, 8/21/09, Greg Stanley wrote: > From: Greg Stanley > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 9:23 AM > > > Thanks everyone, I found this very interesting. > > I wonder how much ALH 84001 would sell for if it went to > market? > > Greg S. > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question > > > > > > > > List: > > > > I was wondering what was the most valuable single > meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? > > > > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or > other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? > > > > Much Thanks, > > > > Greg S. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for > you. > > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your > photos. > http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 13:10:31 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] no scam/no fraud/ just a trade Message-ID: <494259.21037.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> There was no scamming or frauding. here It was only trade that mike johnson and me made.We had been talking about this for a few weeks and it finally beared fruit.I traded the piece to him,and in turn I am getting some great pieces.It just continues to amaze me of all the wasted bandwidth that is wasted on all this.Lets just do meteorites on this list and stop all the ?crap.These personal attacks is old and not called for.Also I am not a member of the imca.Have a nice day all and this will be all I say on this. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From eric at meteoritesusa.com Fri Aug 21 13:31:20 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:31:20 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] UPDATE: Meteorite AD Spots 1 Year $99 Message-ID: <4A8ED9E8.7000109@meteoritesusa.com> Hi Listees, Yesterday I posted an announcement that I was offering 125x125 pixel advertising spots on the MeteoritesUSA.com home page to dealers and website owners with meteorite related websites. Since then I've had good response through email, but only one spot is taken. A little confused as to why, I figured it was because I posted so late in the evening around 9:30pm EST. So here's another opportunity with a bit of an added bonus! I also own MeteoriteBlog.com a daily meteorite news blog which also has high ranking and THE SAME amount of traffic that my MeteoritesUSA.com enjoys. I decided to up the ante a bit by offering advertising on BOTH sites as a package deal. $99 for a 125x125 pixel AD spot on the home of Meteorites USA or $150 for a 125x125 spot on BOTH websites for an entire year. The best thing about the MeteoriteBlog.com website is that you get a SIDEBAR AD. This means your AD will show one EVERY page of the site! Thereby increasing your exposure to everyone who visits the site by more than tenfold. How big is 125x125 pixels? This is about the size of the AD you will get: ------------------ | | | | | AD | | | | | | | ------------------ This AD size gives you a good amount of space to advertise your meteorite business or astronomy related website. Not to mention the price is right. It's only $99 for the whole year on the home page of one of the highest ranked TOP 10 meteorite websites on the planet! Or $150 for both sites. Thousands of visitors per month mean more traffic for you and a back link for your Google ranking. Oh yeah, and my Google page rank on my home page is 3 which is pretty high for this biz! Meteorite.com website (the #1 meteorite site on the web) has a PR of 5! You can view the sites here: www.meteoritesusa.com www.meteoriteblog.com Contact me off-list for details on how to order, payment info or for any questions you might have. Phone: 904-236-5394 If you don't have a 125x125 pixel graphic to use, I'll make you one for free! Oh yeah, one more thing. Those that reserve their spot today, get a special BONUS advertising advantage. But you'll actually have to email or call to find out what that bonus is... ;) Talk to you soon... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com www.meteoriteblog.com From waltbranch at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 21 13:37:19 2009 From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:37:19 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question References: Message-ID: <59A66A9E3BD0460D9DAD22E73B56EA6B@yourf78bf48ce2> Ohhh, nice Jeff, very nice!!! -Walter Branch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Grossman" To: Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question > Probably 5-10 (years). > > At 12:23 PM 8/21/2009, Greg Stanley wrote: > > >>Thanks everyone, I found this very interesting. >> >>I wonder how much ALH 84001 would sell for if it went to market? >> >>Greg S. >> >>---------------------------------------- >> > From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com >> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 >> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question >> > >> > >> > >> > List: >> > >> > I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not >> scientific but the most value $/gram? >> > >> > Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do >> Lunar meteorites still have the most value? >> > >> > Much Thanks, >> > >> > Greg S. >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. >> > >> http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 >> > ______________________________________________ >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. >>http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 > 954 National Center > Reston, VA 20192, USA > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From marie.m.osterberg at telia.com Fri Aug 21 12:40:02 2009 From: marie.m.osterberg at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_=D6sterberg?=) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:40:02 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? References: <720999.55150.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard, Muonionalusta is pronounced quite close to it's spelling with some focus on the first part "Muon". Anyway, since I'm Swedish I also find it quite difficult to pronounce this Finnish word (very much an exercise for your lips and tongue). Perhaps, a good idea would be to take place in a comfortable chair and do some home practice in the pronunciation, after having some 2 - 3 drams of a nice Scottish malt Whisky. For this particular purpose I can warmly recommend Highland Park 18 Year ;-) Happy hunting! Thomas ?sterberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kowalski" To: "meteorite list" Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? >I just got a beautiful slice of Muonionalusta and am curious about how to >pronoun the name properly. > > I'm guess at least four different ways, but I'm hoping someone can tell > me. > > One guess is > > Meew unyun a lust a > > a second > > Moo unyun a loost a > > wit the other two variations of those. > > Anyone? > > Thanks > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From nuuska at dlc.fi Fri Aug 21 14:21:07 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:21:07 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? In-Reply-To: References: <720999.55150.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A8EE593.2080300@dlc.fi> Most of the Finnish dialects spoken in the Province of Lapland are of the Northern Finnish dialect group, which are also spoken in Sweden and northern Norway. The S?mi language has had a great influence on the vocabulary of these dialects. S?mi words have been loaned for depicting nature, reindeer husbandry and northern living conditions. There have often not been suitable words in Finnish for certain phenomenon of northern nature. Many local place names in the region are of S?mi origin and have through the years changed into names that are easier for Finns pronounce. Some examples of words like these are: kaltio, kero, lompolo, mella, muonio, vuoma and vuontis. So "Muonio" is a place http://www.muonio.fi/web/index.php?id=3 "Alusta" is usually something like "undersite" or "base" "Muonionalusta" = "base / undersite of Muonio" Mu- like Mu(lligan) o- like (t)o(p) ni- like (mo)ney on = on a- like (b)u(t) lus- like (Tel)lus ta like Ta(nya) It may be easier with some Highland Park, like Thomas says ;-) Well, perhaps it?s better, I`ll upload a voice-file to my site, just have to find my mic first... best, pekka s Thomas ?sterberg kirjoitti: > Hi Richard, > > > > Muonionalusta is pronounced quite close to it's spelling with some > focus on the first part "Muon". > > > > Anyway, since I'm Swedish I also find it quite difficult to pronounce > this Finnish word (very much an exercise for your lips and tongue). > > > > Perhaps, a good idea would be to take place in a comfortable chair and > do some home practice in the pronunciation, after having some 2 - 3 > drams of a nice Scottish malt Whisky. For this particular purpose I > can warmly recommend Highland Park 18 Year ;-) > > > > Happy hunting! > > > > Thomas ?sterberg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kowalski" > > To: "meteorite list" > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:35 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? > > >> I just got a beautiful slice of Muonionalusta and am curious about >> how to pronoun the name properly. >> >> I'm guess at least four different ways, but I'm hoping someone can >> tell me. >> >> One guess is >> >> Meew unyun a lust a >> >> a second >> >> Moo unyun a loost a >> >> wit the other two variations of those. >> >> Anyone? >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> Richard Kowalski >> http://fullmoonphotography.net >> IMCA #1081 >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2317 - Release Date: 08/21/09 06:04:00 > > -- Pekka Savolainen Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Rasala FINLAND member of IMCA #5776 www.imca.cc From fujmon at mac.com Fri Aug 21 14:40:29 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:40:29 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay auctions ending Saturday Message-ID: <5D443CB7-599E-4D7F-A2A1-BD8842F3FE8B@mac.com> Aloha, I have some pohaku (stone) and hao (iron) meteorites ku'ai emi (for sale) on ebay, ending tomorrow, Saturday around this time (18:30 GMT), featuring a perfect Bassi, flowline covered Chergach, olivine encrusted NWA pallasite frag, oriented NWA 869, a couple of Campos and a 152g unclassified, amongst other items that may be of interest here: http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Mahalo for looking, and have a great weekend everybody! Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From GeoZay at aol.com Fri Aug 21 15:16:21 2009 From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:16:21 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update Message-ID: >>The bolide is definitely not linked to Perseids. General direction of this bolide is from East to West, reported on map. Witnesses observed it at different position in the sky, depending of location: >From the Netherland, the bolide was observed on south horizon. >From Center of France, the bolide was observed to north horizon. >From Belgium and north of France, the bolide as observed at various position in the sky, from South to North; East to West.. and also from North to South... The declinaison is variable: from zenith to horizon according various locations. All witnesses describe the bolide as a fire ball with sensible visible diameter. Magnitude approx is -10 The bolide had a very little trail, maximum 4 to 6 time the size of "fire head". Very quickely, it explodes in two fragments. The little fragment has been vaporized in atmosphere. The second (and bigger) explode at the end of trajectory in multiple fragments in a nice green/yellow/red color. After the second explosion, only one little green fragment was observed following the trajectory. The light "turn off" very sudenly, without evolution on yellow or red color. The speed was extremely slow, more quickly than an airplane, but very slow than an classic shooting star. Vincent.<< Well Vincent...it doesn't sound like a Perseid to me either. George Zay From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 15:32:43 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] ISO: Mirko Graul Message-ID: <210173.15099.qm@web46402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mirko, can you send me an email? I would like to talk to you about NWA 5678 and compare notes. Thanks! Greg C. From meteoritemike at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 16:00:29 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:00:29 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? In-Reply-To: <4A8EE593.2080300@dlc.fi> References: <720999.55150.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A8EE593.2080300@dlc.fi> Message-ID: Hi Pekka! As a hockey fan, I learned to pronounce Teemu Selanne, but Muonionalusta has always eluded me! Thanks for the pronunciation guide. :) Best regards, MikeG On 8/21/09, Pekka Savolainen wrote: > > Most of the Finnish dialects spoken in the Province of Lapland are of > the Northern Finnish dialect group, which are also spoken in Sweden and > northern Norway. The S?mi language has had a great influence on the > vocabulary of these dialects. > > S?mi words have been loaned for depicting nature, reindeer husbandry and > northern living conditions. There have often not been suitable words in > Finnish for certain phenomenon of northern nature. Many local place > names in the region are of S?mi origin and have through the years > changed into names that are easier for Finns pronounce. Some examples of > words like these are: kaltio, kero, lompolo, mella, muonio, vuoma and > vuontis. > > So "Muonio" is a place > > http://www.muonio.fi/web/index.php?id=3 > > "Alusta" is usually something like "undersite" or "base" > > "Muonionalusta" = "base / undersite of Muonio" > > > Mu- like Mu(lligan) > o- like (t)o(p) > ni- like (mo)ney > on = on > a- like (b)u(t) > lus- like (Tel)lus > ta like Ta(nya) > > It may be easier with some Highland Park, like Thomas says ;-) > > > Well, perhaps it?s better, I`ll upload a voice-file to my site, just > have to find my mic first... > > best, > > pekka s > > > > > > Thomas ?sterberg kirjoitti: >> Hi Richard, >> >> >> >> Muonionalusta is pronounced quite close to it's spelling with some >> focus on the first part "Muon". >> >> >> >> Anyway, since I'm Swedish I also find it quite difficult to pronounce >> this Finnish word (very much an exercise for your lips and tongue). >> >> >> >> Perhaps, a good idea would be to take place in a comfortable chair and >> do some home practice in the pronunciation, after having some 2 - 3 >> drams of a nice Scottish malt Whisky. For this particular purpose I >> can warmly recommend Highland Park 18 Year ;-) >> >> >> >> Happy hunting! >> >> >> >> Thomas ?sterberg >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kowalski" >> >> To: "meteorite list" >> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:35 AM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? >> >> >>> I just got a beautiful slice of Muonionalusta and am curious about >>> how to pronoun the name properly. >>> >>> I'm guess at least four different ways, but I'm hoping someone can >>> tell me. >>> >>> One guess is >>> >>> Meew unyun a lust a >>> >>> a second >>> >>> Moo unyun a loost a >>> >>> wit the other two variations of those. >>> >>> Anyone? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Kowalski >>> http://fullmoonphotography.net >>> IMCA #1081 >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2317 - Release Date: 08/21/09 >> 06:04:00 >> >> > > > -- > > > Pekka Savolainen > > Solar Gems > > Jokiharjuntie 4 > FI-71330 > Rasala > FINLAND > > member of IMCA #5776 > > www.imca.cc > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From waltbranch at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 21 16:12:13 2009 From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:12:13 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? References: <956694.60824.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <70B3E70C6793469287899A780F35B8D3@yourf78bf48ce2> Hi Richard, I hope you are not planning on using a tile blade with that saw. The kerf will take away a large portion of any meteorite you cut. -Walter Branch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kowalski" To: "meteorite list" Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? > Awhile back I asked this list for comments on trim saws. I got a number of > comments off list and at least one person asked for an update once I > decided on a saw. > > I just ordered the Husky 7" Wet Tile Saw from Home Depot > > http://tinyurl.com/lofh24 > > It seems to have a pretty good user rating (4.4 out of 5 stars, 18 > ratings) and is currently on sale for $126.88 with free shipping. It is > only available online and not in their stores. > > Unfortunately for those of you that live in Alaska or Hawai'i (or outside > the US for that matter) it isn't available to you. > > Since I have to re-tile my bathroom, I can justify this saw a little > easier! > > Thanks for all of you who gave me input. > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From damoclid at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 16:15:48 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? In-Reply-To: <70B3E70C6793469287899A780F35B8D3@yourf78bf48ce2> Message-ID: <795756.5403.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Walter, No I am not. I think the blade that comes with the saw is 0.04 or 0.06". YIKES! That will be for tiles only! I have ordered some other blades, 0.012 & 0.008, for meteorites. But thanks for checking. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 8/21/09, Walter Branch wrote: > From: Walter Branch > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? > To: "Richard Kowalski" , "meteorite list" > Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 1:12 PM > Hi Richard, > > I hope you are not planning on using a tile blade with that > saw.? The kerf will take away a large portion of any > meteorite you cut. > > -Walter Branch > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kowalski" > > To: "meteorite list" > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? > > > > Awhile back I asked this list for comments on trim > saws. I got a number of comments off list and at least one > person asked for an update once I decided on a saw. > > > > I just ordered the Husky 7" Wet Tile Saw from Home > Depot > > > > http://tinyurl.com/lofh24 > > > > It seems to have a pretty good user rating (4.4 out of > 5 stars, 18 ratings) and is currently on sale for $126.88 > with free shipping. It is only available online and not in > their stores. > > > > Unfortunately for those of you that live in Alaska or > Hawai'i (or outside the US for that matter) it isn't > available to you. > > > > Since I have to re-tile my bathroom, I can justify > this saw a little easier! > > > > Thanks for all of you who gave me input. > > > > -- > > Richard Kowalski > > http://fullmoonphotography.net > > IMCA #1081 > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > From waltbranch at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 21 16:17:36 2009 From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:17:36 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Cloudy Nights Space Rocks Forum References: <956694.60824.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <70B3E70C6793469287899A780F35B8D3@yourf78bf48ce2> Message-ID: Hello Everyone, As a follow-up from yesterday's posting about the website Cloudy Nights, I would like to invite fellow Meteorite Central list members to check out the "Space Rocks" forum at Cloudy Nights. Not as an alternative to Meteorite Central, but simply as a nice place to visit and post. The members there are very friendly congenial and are eager to learn and share information about meteorites. Meteorite Central list member Martin Horejsi (aka, Dark Matter here; Zagami there) has a very delightful and informative (when is Martin not informative - he is better than Burks' Cosmic Debris) running column titled "A Few Good Meteorites" featuring fantastic pictures and text about old, historic meteorites. If you have not seen this, you are missing out on what could easily be published as a book about historically, scientifically and culturally significant meteorites. It's that good! Here is a link to the Space Rocks forum: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/Metorites Other areas of interest on Cloudy Nights include a Vendor's forum (including meteorite vendors): http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/vendorann And Classifieds and Swap-and-Shop sections (including meteorites). BTW, there are no selling or listing fees and no membership fees when you join Cloudy Nights. Of course for those of you with an interest in Astronomy (like me) there are also forums devoted to lunar and planetary observing, deep space and double star observing, equipment and eyepieces, binoculars, telescope-specific forums, astronomical art (which I like), sketching (which I am getting into), among others. Anyway, at least check out the Space Rocks forum. It's really nice. -Walter Branch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Branch" To: "Richard Kowalski" ; "meteorite list" Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? > Hi Richard, > > I hope you are not planning on using a tile blade with that saw. The kerf > will take away a large portion of any meteorite you cut. > > -Walter Branch > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Kowalski" > To: "meteorite list" > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? > > >> Awhile back I asked this list for comments on trim saws. I got a number >> of comments off list and at least one person asked for an update once I >> decided on a saw. >> >> I just ordered the Husky 7" Wet Tile Saw from Home Depot >> >> http://tinyurl.com/lofh24 >> >> It seems to have a pretty good user rating (4.4 out of 5 stars, 18 >> ratings) and is currently on sale for $126.88 with free shipping. It is >> only available online and not in their stores. >> >> Unfortunately for those of you that live in Alaska or Hawai'i (or outside >> the US for that matter) it isn't available to you. >> >> Since I have to re-tile my bathroom, I can justify this saw a little >> easier! >> >> Thanks for all of you who gave me input. >> >> -- >> Richard Kowalski >> http://fullmoonphotography.net >> IMCA #1081 >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 16:51:56 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:51:56 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Cloudy Nights Space Rocks Forum In-Reply-To: References: <956694.60824.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <70B3E70C6793469287899A780F35B8D3@yourf78bf48ce2> Message-ID: Hi Walter and List, I just wanted to comment on a couple of points that Walter raised about Cloudy Nights. First, Cloudy Nights (CN) is not a competitor for Art's List. It is more of an accessory to it, from a meteorite standpoint. CN is a huge forum system with a daily traffic count that dwarfs that of most email lists. The focus over there is on visual astronomy, astrophotography, and gearheadism (technical and optical discussions) - meteorites is a small part of it. While the audience on Art's List is more advanced, many CN members are new to meteorites. So expect fewer technical discussions on meteoritics and more question/answer discussions about the fundamentals of collecting meteorites. It's not a bad thing, it's just different than this List in terms of audience. Secondly, CN welcomes vendors, including meteorite vendors, but they must adhere to a strict set of vendor rules that restricts some behavior more than general non-vendor members. For example, the forums are for discussion, not promotion or sales - so vendors or members cannot sell in the forums outside of designated areas - like the Shop and Swap (no vendors) or the Classifieds (vendors welcome). The Vendor forum is set aside for announcements and news from vendors, and not for general sales. Most members of Art's List who are dealers/vendors will discover that they have much more freedom and lattitude on this List than they will have on CN. If one agrees to abide by the rules, then CN is a great place to discuss meteorites, and sometimes sell them as well. But those who come there solely to sell meteorites will find themselves disappointed because they will be limited to secondary areas of CN which are lower in traffic and generate few sales. (Vendor forum, Classifieds, etc). What CN does offer to the meteorite community is a positive, family-friendly place to discuss meteorites without foul language, flaming, advertising, politics, or other distractions - something which is a rarity on the internet. Although, to be fair, this could easily describe Meteorite Central on it's better days when the distractions aren't rampant. I'd like see more meteorite collectors who are also interested in astronomy to come visit CN and say hello. But I don't ever forsee a time (or need) for CN to compete with this List. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG (Glassthrower on CN) On 8/21/09, Walter Branch wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > As a follow-up from yesterday's posting about the website Cloudy Nights, I > would like to invite fellow Meteorite Central list members to check out the > "Space Rocks" forum at Cloudy Nights. Not as an alternative to Meteorite > Central, but simply as a nice place to visit and post. The members there > are very friendly congenial and are eager to learn and share information > about meteorites. > > Meteorite Central list member Martin Horejsi (aka, Dark Matter here; Zagami > there) has a very delightful and informative (when is Martin not > informative - he is better than Burks' Cosmic Debris) running column titled > "A Few Good Meteorites" featuring fantastic pictures and text about old, > historic meteorites. If you have not seen this, you are missing out on what > could easily be published as a book about historically, scientifically and > culturally significant meteorites. It's that good! > > Here is a link to the Space Rocks forum: > http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/Metorites > > Other areas of interest on Cloudy Nights include a Vendor's forum (including > meteorite vendors): > http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/vendorann > > And Classifieds and Swap-and-Shop sections (including meteorites). > > BTW, there are no selling or listing fees and no membership fees when you > join Cloudy Nights. > > Of course for those of you with an interest in Astronomy (like me) there are > also forums devoted to lunar and planetary observing, deep space and double > star observing, equipment and eyepieces, binoculars, telescope-specific > forums, astronomical art (which I like), sketching (which I am getting > into), among others. > > Anyway, at least check out the Space Rocks forum. It's really nice. > > -Walter Branch > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walter Branch" > To: "Richard Kowalski" ; "meteorite list" > > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:12 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? > > >> Hi Richard, >> >> I hope you are not planning on using a tile blade with that saw. The kerf >> >> will take away a large portion of any meteorite you cut. >> >> -Walter Branch >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Kowalski" >> To: "meteorite list" >> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? >> >> >>> Awhile back I asked this list for comments on trim saws. I got a number >>> of comments off list and at least one person asked for an update once I >>> decided on a saw. >>> >>> I just ordered the Husky 7" Wet Tile Saw from Home Depot >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/lofh24 >>> >>> It seems to have a pretty good user rating (4.4 out of 5 stars, 18 >>> ratings) and is currently on sale for $126.88 with free shipping. It is >>> only available online and not in their stores. >>> >>> Unfortunately for those of you that live in Alaska or Hawai'i (or outside >>> >>> the US for that matter) it isn't available to you. >>> >>> Since I have to re-tile my bathroom, I can justify this saw a little >>> easier! >>> >>> Thanks for all of you who gave me input. >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Kowalski >>> http://fullmoonphotography.net >>> IMCA #1081 >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From mexicodoug at aim.com Fri Aug 21 16:59:11 2009 From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:59:11 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] no scam/no fraud/ just a trade In-Reply-To: <494259.21037.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <494259.21037.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBF0B95996418A-DDC-D452@webmail-m081.sysops.aol.com> Hi Dirk, Regarding your disappointment in Steve for the very nice 1.2 kg "Jalu", it is worth it to review the requirements for the unmentionable: Backing out on eBay: eBay Auction Cancellation (General) Sellers rights: eBay earns the insertion fee from the Seller and won't prohibit Sellers from canceling their auctions/bids. Buyers rights: Buyers cannot cancel their bid (eBay would lose the final value fee) except within one hour of making a typo. Steve is within his rights, and the only ethics that drive eBay's policy is: OK if it gives eBay income. If Steve used eBay to taunt his trade partner into jumping, he just paid for an insertion and broke bidders hearts with an ulterior motive (we don't know the motivation, but it seems likely given the situation). But if whoever Steve traded with also bid in the auction, that would be a transaction off-eBay and they could suspend Steve. Sorry, Dirk, I am sure many feel your frustration and hopefullty it is over. You've been Star-Kist: Honor doesn't mix with eBay management, there's always a twist at the expense of good faith of others benefitting eBay's bottom line - and this is mostly eBay's doing. Also, it takes two and if the other is an IMCA member ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_El2_enNFaI There is one caveat. Steve mentioned in the auction (twice!!): "I WILL RUN FOR 5 DAYS SO GOOD LUCK.I will start the bidding at $1 and let it go for 5 days." So you believed Steve. :-) Fool me once, shame on you, twice, shame on who??? From fcb at astronomics.com Fri Aug 21 17:01:12 2009 From: fcb at astronomics.com (Fred Bieler) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:01:12 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Cloudy Nights Space Rocks Forum In-Reply-To: References: <956694.60824.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <70B3E70C6793469287899A780F35B8D3@yourf78bf48ce2> Message-ID: <000301ca22a2$84340b10$8c9c2130$@com> Since Walter was nice enough to bring up Cloudy Nights, I'd just like to add that you can browse all the fora on CN without being a member, including Space Rocks, but you have to be a member to post messages. And now a word from our sponsor: if you are a Cloudy Nights member (which you can join for free) you get a discount on virtually anything you buy at www.astronomics.com -- telescopes, accessories, books, etc. But, if you're into astronomy (and Space Rocks), it's worth visiting Cloudy Nights even if you don't join to save money on a telescope. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Walter Branch Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:18 PM To: meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] Cloudy Nights Space Rocks Forum Hello Everyone, As a follow-up from yesterday's posting about the website Cloudy Nights, I would like to invite fellow Meteorite Central list members to check out the "Space Rocks" forum at Cloudy Nights. Not as an alternative to Meteorite Central, but simply as a nice place to visit and post. The members there are very friendly congenial and are eager to learn and share information about meteorites. Meteorite Central list member Martin Horejsi (aka, Dark Matter here; Zagami there) has a very delightful and informative (when is Martin not informative - he is better than Burks' Cosmic Debris) running column titled "A Few Good Meteorites" featuring fantastic pictures and text about old, historic meteorites. If you have not seen this, you are missing out on what could easily be published as a book about historically, scientifically and culturally significant meteorites. It's that good! Here is a link to the Space Rocks forum: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/Metorites Other areas of interest on Cloudy Nights include a Vendor's forum (including meteorite vendors): http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/vendorann And Classifieds and Swap-and-Shop sections (including meteorites). BTW, there are no selling or listing fees and no membership fees when you join Cloudy Nights. Of course for those of you with an interest in Astronomy (like me) there are also forums devoted to lunar and planetary observing, deep space and double star observing, equipment and eyepieces, binoculars, telescope-specific forums, astronomical art (which I like), sketching (which I am getting into), among others. Anyway, at least check out the Space Rocks forum. It's really nice. -Walter Branch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Branch" To: "Richard Kowalski" ; "meteorite list" Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? > Hi Richard, > > I hope you are not planning on using a tile blade with that saw. The kerf > will take away a large portion of any meteorite you cut. > > -Walter Branch > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Kowalski" > To: "meteorite list" > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? > > >> Awhile back I asked this list for comments on trim saws. I got a number >> of comments off list and at least one person asked for an update once I >> decided on a saw. >> >> I just ordered the Husky 7" Wet Tile Saw from Home Depot >> >> http://tinyurl.com/lofh24 >> >> It seems to have a pretty good user rating (4.4 out of 5 stars, 18 >> ratings) and is currently on sale for $126.88 with free shipping. It is >> only available online and not in their stores. >> >> Unfortunately for those of you that live in Alaska or Hawai'i (or outside >> the US for that matter) it isn't available to you. >> >> Since I have to re-tile my bathroom, I can justify this saw a little >> easier! >> >> Thanks for all of you who gave me input. >> >> -- >> Richard Kowalski >> http://fullmoonphotography.net >> IMCA #1081 >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mlblood at cox.net Fri Aug 21 18:03:38 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:03:38 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] no scam/no fraud? Really? In-Reply-To: <494259.21037.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve, What you seem to miss in this (besides grammar) Is that once ANYONE bids on an auction, the seller is taking The meteorite from them their your own purpose - it is illegal In all states in terms of auction laws. Furthermore, eBay does NOT allow any auction to be canceled, "because I got a better Deal." The fact that you cannot grasp the implications of this is enough to make the vast majority of people feel you cannot be Trusted, because you could screw them and not even Understand that you are screwing them. You have taken a stance that everyone who gives You feedback is doing so because THEY have the problem. Once again, this makes it impossible for people to Trust you. This is most unfortunate. Best wishes (truly) Michael On 8/21/09 10:10 AM, "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" wrote: > There was no scamming or frauding. here It was only trade that mike johnson > and me made.We had been talking about this for a few weeks and it finally > beared fruit.I traded the piece to him,and in turn I am getting some great > pieces.It just continues to amaze me of all the wasted bandwidth that is > wasted on all this.Lets just do meteorites on this list and stop all the > ?crap.These personal attacks is old and not called for.Also I am not a member > of the imca.Have a nice day all and this will be all I say on this. > ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From prairiecactus at rtcol.com Fri Aug 21 19:19:11 2009 From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com (Phil Whitmer) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:19:11 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseid Meteor Hammerstone! Message-ID: <0623D3C360C3426BBAEE6455791FE41A@whitmerjbqtim1> Yet another Perseid meteor strikes the Earth! This one's a hammerstone! Any chance that nearby passing train kicked up a piece of railroad rock? Nah...... Phil Whitmer http://www.gethampshire.co.uk/news/s/2056117_meteorite_shatters_mans_conservatory 'Meteorite' shatters man's conservatory By Jack Sommers August 21, 2009 A MAN is convinced a meteorite hit his home in Fleet on Tuesday. Humphrey Peek was sitting at his home in Cove Road on August 18 when he heard a loud bang. He said: "I thought that doesn't sound right. I thought it my washing machine had gone or a door had blown shut." When he went to his conservatory he found the glass door had been smashed. His first thought was that someone had thrown something from a passing train. A day later his neighbour inspected the damage and spotted a small black piece of rock. "If that had hit me when I was out in the garden it would've killed me stone dead," Mr Peek said. Mr Peek, who worked for 35 years in the mining industry identifying materials and rocks, put it under the microscope. What he saw convinced him it was an Enstatite chondrite meteorite. He contacted the Natural History Museum, who told him meteorites hitting falling to earth was "not as uncommon as you might think". The museum asked if it could have the rock but he wanted to keep it. He filed an insurance claim and was visited by his insurer. Mr Peek said his insurer wrote meteor strike on his clipboard under the section describing the cause of the accident. The "meteorite" hit a week after stargazers were out looking to see the peak of the annual Perseids meteor shower. Mr Peek was among those hoping to catch a glimpse of the shooting stars From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Fri Aug 21 19:39:41 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:39:41 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseid Meteor Hammerstone! In-Reply-To: <0623D3C360C3426BBAEE6455791FE41A@whitmerjbqtim1> References: <0623D3C360C3426BBAEE6455791FE41A@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: No... rocks don't fly up, they fall down. It's a Enstatite chondrite - just by looking at it with a microscope. It would be nice to see a picture of it, and the railroad gravel too. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:19:11 -0400 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Perseid Meteor Hammerstone! > > Yet another Perseid meteor strikes the Earth! This one's a hammerstone! > Any chance that nearby passing train kicked up a piece of railroad rock? > Nah...... > > Phil Whitmer > > > > http://www.gethampshire.co.uk/news/s/2056117_meteorite_shatters_mans_conservatory > > 'Meteorite' shatters man's conservatory > By Jack Sommers > August 21, 2009 > > > A MAN is convinced a meteorite hit his home in Fleet on Tuesday. > > Humphrey Peek was sitting at his home in Cove Road on August 18 when he > heard a loud bang. > > He said: "I thought that doesn't sound right. I thought it my washing > machine had gone or a door had blown shut." > > When he went to his conservatory he found the glass door had been smashed. > > His first thought was that someone had thrown something from a passing > train. > > A day later his neighbour inspected the damage and spotted a small black > piece of rock. > > "If that had hit me when I was out in the garden it would've killed me stone > dead," Mr Peek said. > > Mr Peek, who worked for 35 years in the mining industry identifying > materials and rocks, put it under the microscope. > > What he saw convinced him it was an Enstatite chondrite meteorite. > > He contacted the Natural History Museum, who told him meteorites hitting > falling to earth was "not as uncommon as you might think". > > The museum asked if it could have the rock but he wanted to keep it. > > He filed an insurance claim and was visited by his insurer. > > Mr Peek said his insurer wrote meteor strike on his clipboard under the > section describing the cause of the accident. > > The "meteorite" hit a week after stargazers were out looking to see the peak > of the annual Perseids meteor shower. > > Mr Peek was among those hoping to catch a glimpse of the shooting stars > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 From damoclid at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 19:54:45 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? In-Reply-To: <720999.55150.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <108798.94235.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, I got some interesting responses to this question. ten Two were posted to the list and those I'll repeat first. Thomas ?sterberg wrote on the list: Muonionalusta is pronounced quite close to it's spelling with some focus on the first part "Muon". Pekka Savolainen wrote on the list: Mu- like Mu(lligan) o- like (t)o(p) ni- like (mo)ney on = on a- like (b)u(t) lus- like (Tel)lus ta like Ta(nya) I also got two directly, but I didn't ask permission to say who sent them to me so they'll stay anonymous. One pronounced it - Moo onion alusta and the other - Moon-e-o-nah-loosta Finally, I got this email from someone who asked to remain completely anonymous, but since they are a native Finnish speaker, I thought that this is probably the closest one to correct. "I'm not an expert on linguistics and certainly not on the dialect spoken in the Muonionalusta area but as a native Finnish speaker I can offer this. First, Muonionalusta comprises two words. Muonio and alusta. Muonio is a town a few km north-east on the Finnish side of the border. Alusta means 'below' or 'under'. Muonionalusta is downstream from Muonio, which is logical enough. Second, the name has four syllables. Muo-nion-alus-ta. Stress is on the first with just a hint of stress on the third (it being the first syllable in alusta). Lastly, Finnish is written exactly (to all practical intent) as it is spoken. This means that each phonem is represented by one letter in the alphabet, so Finnish has very few digraphs and no the need for the complicated rules and agreements on how each word should be pronounced that we see in many other languages. I could try to describe to you how each letter and syllable should be pronounced, but to keep this as straightforward as possible, I prepared an audio file http://clayhole.com/muonionalusta.wav The technical quality of the recording isn't the best and I also have a slight head cold. But this should be close enough for a cigar." Thanks to everyone who helped out! -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 21 19:56:35 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - August 19, 2009 Message-ID: <200908212356.n7LNuZbS011422@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES August 19, 2009 o Scarp-Fed Dark Dunes http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010344_2655 o Fissure-Vent along Cerberus Fossae http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006999_1965 o Well-Exposed Scarp along Nili Fossae http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006989_2025 o Cone in Chasma Boreale http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006980_2610 o Series of Possible Pingos in Polygonal Terrain http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006962_2215 o Dust Devil Etch-A-Sketch http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_013751_1115 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 21 19:58:42 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: August 17-21, 2009 Message-ID: <200908212358.n7LNwg4D012472@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES August 17-21, 2009 o Dunes in IR (Released 17 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090817a o Dunes in IR (Released 18 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090818a o Dunes in IR (Released 19 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090819a o Russell Crater in IR (Released 20 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090820a o Russell Crater in VIS (Released 21 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090821a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 21 20:13:20 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Jumping Asteroids Message-ID: <200908220013.n7M0DKcm015171@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=2286 Jumping Asteroids Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 18, 2009 How our solar system was formed has fascinated scientists and laymen alike for -- well, for a really, really long time. New research may have answered a piece to the puzzle - how big were the first planetesimals? For those of you scoring at home," planetesimals" were the first solid objects in our newly minted solar system (also known as the protoplanetary disk). They began life as small grains of dust orbiting an infant sun. These grains would bump into each other, clump together and gradually form larger grains of dust, which eventually became small space rocks. Now the theory goes that some of these small rock-sized planetesimals aspired for greater things, and continued to gradually grow in size to become asteroids, and that a few of those continued to grow beyond the asteroid stage and become planets. The problem with this tidy little theory is that when the burgeoning space rocks grew to about one meter (3.3 feet) in size, orbital mechanics tells us the gas comingling with them in the protoplanetary disk should have acted like a brake, slowing their velocity appreciably. Their orbital speed having been cut, these filing cabinet-sized space rocks would have spiraled into the sun. Essentially, the gas would have acted as a celestial "mini-vacuum." The problem is, there are asteroids up there in space. Honest, ask any astronomer. So what happened? Evidence is now mounting that these small space rocks quickly "jumped" (or grew) in size from below one meter to multi-kilometer in size. Planetesimals that big were big enough to plow through the drag created by the gas in the protoplanetary disk without having their orbits appreciably altered. Hence they did not spiral into the sun. What data point to a jump in asteroid sizes? Simply, the asteroids available for viewing in the night's sky. Telescopic surveys indicate there is currently a plethora of asteroids less than one kilometer (.62 mile) wide but those over one kilometer drop considerably in number. The authors used computer simulations in an attempt to mimic the impacts and coagulation processes that took place over the millions of years between when the asteroids formed and now. The only way they could arrive at the current asteroid size distribution was to begin these simulations with planetesimals that quickly morphed into asteroids hundreds of kilometers in size. Once their growth spurt was over, these massive celestial bodies began an epoch-sized game of demolition derby as they orbited the sun. Over the eons, and with each extraterrestrial pileup, came fewer and fewer large asteroids - a fragmentation process that continues to this day. Despite the modest sizes of asteroids today, the paper's authors conclude that asteroids must have been born big. The paper, "Asteroids Were Born Big" is available now online from the ScienceDirect website and will be available in a future edition of the journal Icarus. For more information about asteroids and other near-Earth objects please visit: www.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroidwatch . From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Fri Aug 21 20:15:04 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 02:15:04 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] no scam/no fraud/ just a trade In-Reply-To: <8CBF0B95996418A-DDC-D452@webmail-m081.sysops.aol.com> References: <494259.21037.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <8CBF0B95996418A-DDC-D452@webmail-m081.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <009801ca22bd$99ad8690$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Well seems, that we are a little bit more advanced in Germany. Here in Germany to set up an auction on ebay is the expression of the will of the seller to offer a buying contract. That offer is binding, full stop. No matter, what the rules on the ebay pages are telling. If the seller cancels the auction before ending, the item has to go to the current highest bidder. Was sentenced by several courts. (E.g. OLG Oldenburg, Urteil vom 28.07.2005, AZ: 8 U 93/05 LG Berlin, Urteil vom 20.07.2004 - AZ: 4 0 293/04 KG Berlin am 25.01.2005, AZ 17U 24/04 And so on). So in Germany it wouldn't only have been fraud seen from an ethical point of view to accept a better offer outside of ebay, but it also would have been clearly fraud according the laws. Laws are laws....To me it's a question of common sense not to make any business with such unethical persons. (and anyway as a dealer I never could sell to or buy from such persons, as it would be harmful to our reputation. What would our clients think, if they would get to know, that we gave meteorites to a Steve Arnold Chicago... !) Best! Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mexicodoug Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 22:59 An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] no scam/no fraud/ just a trade Hi Dirk, Regarding your disappointment in Steve for the very nice 1.2 kg "Jalu", it is worth it to review the requirements for the unmentionable: Backing out on eBay: eBay Auction Cancellation (General) Sellers rights: eBay earns the insertion fee from the Seller and won't prohibit Sellers from canceling their auctions/bids. Buyers rights: Buyers cannot cancel their bid (eBay would lose the final value fee) except within one hour of making a typo. Steve is within his rights, and the only ethics that drive eBay's policy is: OK if it gives eBay income. If Steve used eBay to taunt his trade partner into jumping, he just paid for an insertion and broke bidders hearts with an ulterior motive (we don't know the motivation, but it seems likely given the situation). But if whoever Steve traded with also bid in the auction, that would be a transaction off-eBay and they could suspend Steve. Sorry, Dirk, I am sure many feel your frustration and hopefullty it is over. You've been Star-Kist: Honor doesn't mix with eBay management, there's always a twist at the expense of good faith of others benefitting eBay's bottom line - and this is mostly eBay's doing. Also, it takes two and if the other is an IMCA member ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_El2_enNFaI There is one caveat. Steve mentioned in the auction (twice!!): "I WILL RUN FOR 5 DAYS SO GOOD LUCK.I will start the bidding at $1 and let it go for 5 days." So you believed Steve. :-) Fool me once, shame on you, twice, shame on who??? ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Aug 21 20:15:49 2009 From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Second Test Rover Added to Driving Experiments Message-ID: <200908220015.n7M0FnSV016355@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-129 Second Test Rover Added to Driving Experiments Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 21, 2009 A second, lighter-weight test rover has entered the testing setup at JPL where rover team members are assessing strategy for getting Spirit out of soft soil where it is embedded on Mars. The rover team has begun using a test rover that does not carry a science payload or robotic arm, as do Spirit and Opportunity on Mars, and the primary engineering test rover at JPL. While the primary test rover's weight on Earth is greater than Spirit's weight on Mars, the second rover is even lighter on Earth and closer to the weight of Spirit on Mars. Making comparisons between motions of the two test rovers in duplicated drives will aid the rover team in interpreting effects of differing gravity on rover mobility. The testing team plans to run such comparisons both in the soft, fluffy material being used to simulate the soil at Spirit's current location and also on coarser, crushed rock that offers better traction. "There is no perfect Earth analog for Spirit's current situation," said JPL's John Callas, project manager for the twin Mars Exploration Rovers. "There's less gravity on Mars, little atmosphere, and no moisture in the soil where Spirit is. It is not anything like being stuck in sand or snow or mud on Earth. Plus, since the rover moves only about as fast as a tortoise, you cannot use momentum to help. No rocking back and forth as you might do on Earth." The comparison experiments with the two test-rover siblings to Spirit and Opportunity precede a planned "dress rehearsal" long-duration test of driving as far in the test setup as the distance that Spirit would need to achieve on Mars to escape its predicament at the site called "Troy." The team has also made further assessments of the position of a rock underneath Spirit relative to the rover's center of gravity. Part of the strategy for getting Spirit free will be to avoid getting in a position with the center of gravity directly over a rock touching the rover. For more updates, please visit the Free Spirit site: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/freespirit/ From mikewren at gilanet.com Fri Aug 21 22:28:44 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:28:44 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Last Ad For Awhile- Last Chance For This Specimen -Ends In 2 Hours- Also, BIG BIG THANKS TO ALL! Message-ID: <113A6303-CBEA-4765-8980-11FB3EB534D6@gilanet.com> Hello, Super BIG, BIG, THANKS to all the folks who purchased meteorites from me this week. Economy Bad? Maybe? BUT This week was my best August Sales Week on Record and THE 3rd Best Ebay Sales Week in 10 years of doing ebay. How much was it? Well, that would not be proper to tell you, but maybe the economy is getting better? Anyway, I am going meteorite hunting and need a break from sales.... so for at least a SOLID week I will have NO ADS! If I have a ad before 7 days are up (On this List) I will pay $100.00 to each person who calls me on it! In 2 hours this Seymchan piece ends. YOU WILL NEVER SEE THIS PIECE ON SALE AGAIN FOR THIS PRICE. Slices that came off of this piece sell between $8.00 to $15.00 per gram, and they do average $10.00 per gram. I WILL NOT EVER OFFER IT THIS LOW AGAIN. If you catch me doing that- You can use this email for proof and I will give that piece for free! Don't wait. There are not too many that are finer! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200373685661 Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 21 22:58:05 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:58:05 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sale auctions on ebay, some ending by Saturday evening 8-22-09. Zagami, Lake Murray, Overland Park, Tulia (a), NWA 801, Korra Korrabes, Boxhole, Hope Creek with Crust, Miles, Uvalde, Markovka, Richfield, Zag Message-ID: Hello fellow Meteorite Collectors, I hope you're having a great weekend! This is my first post since last Friday! ;-) I listed a few meteorites on ebay and there are a few ending within the next 24 hours, on Saturday evening. Please have a look. ZAGAMI Meteorite IMCA COA MARS SHERGOTTITE frag http://cgi.ebay.com/ZAGAMI-Meteorite-IMCA-COA-MARS-SHERGOTTITE-frag_W0QQitemZ270443358062QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH LAKE MURRAY Meteorite 1.20 g COA IMCA IIAB VERYRARE NICE RARELY AVAILABLE IIAB OCTAHEDRITE OLDEST KNOWN INTACT http://cgi.ebay.com/LAKE-MURRAY-Meteorite-1-20g-COA-IMCA-IIAB-VERYRARE-NICE_W0QQitemZ280386129843QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_OVERLAND PARK Meteorite Kansas 1.8gms COA IMCA Nice H4http://cgi.ebay.com/OVERLAND-PARK-Meteorite-Kansas-1-8gms-COA-IMCA-Nice-H4_W0QQitemZ280386237425QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLHTulia Meteorite (a) H3-4, 1.3 gms IMCA 1917 COA Nicehttp://cgi.ebay.com/Tulia-Meteorite-a-H3-4-1-3-gms-IMCA-1917-COA-Nice_W0QQitemZ270443801917QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLHNWA 801 Meteorite CR2 Carbona Chondrite 2.30g IMCA COAhttp://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-801-Meteorite-CR2-Carbona-Chondrite-2-30g-IMCA-COA_W0QQitemZ270444147455QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLHKorra Korrabes Meteorite 26.0g COA IMCA H3 Namibiahttp://cgi.ebay.com/Korra-Korrabes-Meteorite-26-0g-COA-IMCA-H3-Namibia_W0QQitemZ270444622810QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?BOXHOLE Meteorite Iron Australia 25.4g COA IMCA 1937http://cgi.ebay.com/BOXHOLE-Meteorite-Iron-Australia-25-4g-COA-IMCA-1937_W0QQitemZ280387015423QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0? HOPE CREEK Meteorite 9.1g COA IMCA LL6 RARE Crust ALASKAhttp://cgi.ebay.com/HOPE-CREEK-Meteorite-9-1g-COA-IMCA-LL6-RARE-CrustALASKA_W0QQitemZ270444934782QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLHMILES Meteorite Iron IIE Sili Australia .460g COA IMCAhttp://cgi.ebay.com/MILES-Meteorite-Iron-IIE-Sili-Australia-1gm-COA-IMCA_W0QQitemZ280387398717QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?Uvalde Meteorite H5 Texas .625 gms IMCA 1915 Nice COAhttp://cgi.ebay.com/Uvalde-Meteorite-H5-Texas-625-gms-IMCA-1915-Nice-COA_W0QQitemZ280387421721QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?MARKOVKA Meteorite Russia 6 gms COA IMCA Nice H4http://cgi.ebay.com/MARKOVKA-Meteorite-Russia-6-gms-COA-IMCA-Nice-H4_W0QQitemZ280387779847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414869fd07RICHFIELD Meteorite Kansas .79 gms COA IMCA Nice LL3.7 http://cgi.ebay.com/RICHFIELD-Meteorite-Kansas-79-gms-COA-IMCA-Nice-LL3-7_W0QQitemZ270445491182QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef7ceb3ee&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 ZAG Meteorite H 3-6 Chondrite 7.46 g IMCA COA CRUST EDhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ZAG-Meteorite-H-3-6-Chondrite-7-46-g-IMCA-COA-CRUSTED_W0QQitemZ280388103940QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?Please have a look at my ebay seller's page by clicking the link here.http://shop.ebay.com/searchingforfun/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=Happy hunting and clear skies!Have a great rest of the weekend!Thanks for looking, Brian Cox IMCA# 6387searchingforfun is my ebay User ID From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 23:51:16 2009 From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] list meteorite sales for free, no fees ever Message-ID: <917373.72173.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello listees, You can list anything meteorite related for sale free in our classified section of the SkyRock Cafe, list as many as sales and as often as you want. We have quite a bit of traffic and a good number of active members, over 11,000 hits per day. You items will be seen. Hope you all enjoy it and hope it helps you out. you can also find some good deals most of the time here. If you want to ad a banner on the site, contact me off list and we can work it out, really cheap. http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?board=Ads Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com From cynapse at charter.net Sat Aug 22 01:32:56 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:32:56 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Aluminum helps date the solar system In-Reply-To: <0623D3C360C3426BBAEE6455791FE41A@whitmerjbqtim1> References: <0623D3C360C3426BBAEE6455791FE41A@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: Article about it: http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2009/August/21080902.asp PDF of the paper: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/article/ From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 22 00:50:48 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:50:48 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] list meteorite sales for free, no fees ever Message-ID: Hi Joe, How are you doing? I always get thrown off when I see Illinois Meteorites since Steve Arnold # 1, # 2 or Big Steve or whichever name someone is calling the poor guy today is something like Meteoritesillinois or Illinoismeteorites on ebay. I might have that wrong through, sorry. I haven't been on Facebook in a few days so I haven't got to check out any of your updates. I was wondering one time if I could list ads on your Skyrock Cafe. Thanks for putting that in there. I was on there a few times looking at what was going on. The banner thing is a good idea and I was talking to Eric Uh? is it Wichman, you know the Meteoritesusa.com Eric. Sorry, it's late, long week and I'm kind of burned out. So, if I send an email, just like I do for met list, do I compose it the same or can I just forward the one I sent to the met list? Is that ok? What email would I send it to? thanks for mentioning that. I think it's great you did and you should get some response. Talk later, Brian From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 22 06:25:48 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:25:48 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] list meteorite sales for free, no fees ever Message-ID: Hi Joe, 11,000 hits per day in Skyrock? Man, those 5 members are really active! LOL! I'm just kidding, Joe. I'm a member, too, and I've already taken advantage of your classified section several times.:) Good work! Carl _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sat Aug 22 07:59:59 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:59:59 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 22, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_22_2009.html __________________________ From bristolia at yahoo.com Sat Aug 22 08:28:57 2009 From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] PDF Files About Permian-Triassic Extinction Message-ID: <401508.45475.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Friends, while searching the web, I came across some interestiung PDF files of papers about the Permian-Triassic extinction. They are: Retallack, G. J., 2009, Greenhouse crises of the past 300 million years. Geological Society of America Bulletin. vol 121, no. 9-10, pp. 1441-145. Abstract at http://gsabulletin.gsapubs.org/content/121/9-10/1441.abstract PDF file at http://www.uoregon.edu/~dogsci/_media/directory/faculty/greg/geologicalsocietyofamericabulletin2009-utah.pdf?id=directory%3Afaculty%3Agreg%3Apublications&cache=cache and http://www.uoregon.edu/~dogsci/directory/faculty/greg/publications Retallack, G. J., 2005, Permian greenhouse crises, in Lucas, S.G. and Ziegler, K.E., ed., The nonmarine Permian. Bulletin New Mexico Museum of Natural History and Science. no. 30, pp. 256-269. PDF file at http://www.uoregon.edu/~dogsci/_media/directory/faculty/greg/permiancrises.pdf?id=directory%3Afaculty%3Agreg%3Apublications&cache=cache and http://www.uoregon.edu/~dogsci/directory/faculty/greg/publications Benton, M. J., and R. J. Twitchett, 2003, How to kill (almost) all life: the end-Permian extinction event. Trends in Ecology & Evolution. vol. 18, no. 7, pp. 358-365. Abstract at http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0169-5347(03)00093-4 PDF file at http://webh01.ua.ac.be/funmorph/raoul/macroevolutie/Benton2003.pdf and http://webh01.ua.ac.be/funmorph/raoul/macroevolutie/macroevolutie.htm Yours, Paul H. From fujmon at mac.com Sat Aug 22 13:03:03 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:03:03 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay auctions ending in an hour Message-ID: <79CA2AFC-7F8D-4BFB-B7F0-5E6895B8454F@mac.com> Aloha Listoids, I have some pohaku (stone) and hao (iron) meteorites ku'ai emi (for sale) on ebay, ending today Saturday in about an hour, featuring a perfect Bassi, flowline covered Chergach, olivine encrusted NWA pallasite frag, oriented NWA 869, a couple of Campos and a 152g unclassified, amongst other items that may be of interest here: http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Mahalo for looking, and have a great weekend everybody! Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 22 13:55:21 2009 From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:55:21 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Separated At Birth? Message-ID: http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/2mikes.jpg?t=1250963680 Seriously! Phil Whitmer From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 22 14:15:50 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Message-ID: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from space.Any comments????????? ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 22 16:29:56 2009 From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:29:56 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Separated At Birth? Message-ID: OK, I guess the pictures are too small to see clearly, it's M. Farmer and M. Hankey. Phil Whitmer From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 22 17:12:01 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] freebie update Message-ID: <905813.94911.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com> ??? Hi list.It continue's to amaze me,that people who do not even know me,or have ever emailed me,they still send threating emails.I just really wish we could all put all are negativity behind us and just get on with meteorites.All freebies are ready to go.There was so much that all who emailed me are getting 2 or 3 pieces.I hope you are happy with them.My gift to you.Life is good now.I hope most of your's is good as well. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sat Aug 22 18:18:17 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:18:17 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> >I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago Me too. http://kuerzer.de/terresthole -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve arnold Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from space.Any comments????????? ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From majbaermann at web.de Sat Aug 22 18:45:43 2009 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:45:43 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago Me too. http://kuerzer.de/terresthole -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve arnold Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from space.Any comments????????? Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mikewren at gilanet.com Sat Aug 22 18:48:13 2009 From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:48:13 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> Message-ID: <8B952231-F1DE-4AC1-B911-911E6E17FCEA@gilanet.com> TOO FUNNY!!! Michael On Aug 22, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Matthias B?rmann wrote: > Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one > indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit > daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a > freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > >> I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago > > Me too. > > http://kuerzer.de/terresthole > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von > steve > arnold > Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was > wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but > has > there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites? > I found > a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one > from > space.Any comments????????? > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From fujmon at mac.com Sat Aug 22 19:17:20 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:17:20 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Eric Olson contact me Message-ID: <811A5DB8-2E74-4F3F-A1F4-3F0FAF04C5E1@mac.com> Aloha, Is Eric Olson on this list? If so, please contact me off-list Eric. Otherwise, if anyone knows how I can get in touch with him please forward me his contact or him, mine. The phone number off the Star- Bits website does not work, and he hasn't responded to my emails yet. Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sat Aug 22 19:21:13 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:21:13 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> Message-ID: <000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Thank you Matthias, indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to hunt his own hole. I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged during shipping. I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago Me too. http://kuerzer.de/terresthole -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve arnold Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from space.Any comments????????? Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From fcb at astronomics.com Sat Aug 22 19:26:51 2009 From: fcb at astronomics.com (Fred Bieler) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:26:51 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> <000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <000801ca2380$07304370$1590ca50$@com> I'd suggest using plastic bubble wrap to protect them during shipment, as it already consists of many holes surrounded by plastic. That way, if the hole gets damaged in transit, the recipient already has a supply of replacement holes on hand. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:21 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Thank you Matthias, indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to hunt his own hole. I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged during shipping. I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago Me too. http://kuerzer.de/terresthole -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve arnold Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from space.Any comments????????? Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteorites at online.nl Sat Aug 22 19:24:51 2009 From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:24:51 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <8B952231-F1DE-4AC1-B911-911E6E17FCEA@gilanet.com> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com><008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> <8B952231-F1DE-4AC1-B911-911E6E17FCEA@gilanet.com> Message-ID: Humour ? EUROPE RULES !!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham" To: "Matthias B?rmann" Cc: ; "Martin Altmann" Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites TOO FUNNY!!! Michael On Aug 22, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Matthias B?rmann wrote: > Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one > indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit > daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a > freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" > > > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > >> I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago > > Me too. > > http://kuerzer.de/terresthole > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von > steve > arnold > Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was > wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but > has > there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites? > I found > a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one > from > space.Any comments????????? > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2320 - Release Date: 08/22/09 18:04:00 From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sat Aug 22 19:37:01 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:37:01 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <000801ca2380$07304370$1590ca50$@com> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> <000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <000801ca2380$07304370$1590ca50$@com> Message-ID: <000601ca2381$732cce30$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Good idea! ..and I will wire them by hologram. I think, each serious collector should carry around a hole in the wallet. A collectors dream! - But unfortunately no export permit available, cause it is a natural heritage: http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/374924/701562.jpg Best! Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fred Bieler [mailto:fcb at astronomics.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 01:27 An: 'Martin Altmann'; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites I'd suggest using plastic bubble wrap to protect them during shipment, as it already consists of many holes surrounded by plastic. That way, if the hole gets damaged in transit, the recipient already has a supply of replacement holes on hand. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:21 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Thank you Matthias, indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to hunt his own hole. I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged during shipping. I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago Me too. http://kuerzer.de/terresthole -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve arnold Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from space.Any comments????????? Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From Impactika at aol.com Sat Aug 22 19:47:15 2009 From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:47:15 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Message-ID: Martin! Most collectors already have holes in their wallets! And very often it is because of you. ;-) Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/22/2009 5:37:21 PM Mountain Daylight Time, altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes: Good idea! ..and I will wire them by hologram. I think, each serious collector should carry around a hole in the wallet. A collectors dream! - But unfortunately no export permit available, cause it is a natural heritage: _http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/374924/701562.jpg_ (http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/374924/701562.jpg) Best! Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fred Bieler [mailto:fcb at astronomics.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 01:27 An: 'Martin Altmann'; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites I'd suggest using plastic bubble wrap to protect them during shipment, as it already consists of many holes surrounded by plastic. That way, if the hole gets damaged in transit, the recipient already has a supply of replacement holes on hand. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:21 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Thank you Matthias, indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to hunt his own hole. I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged during shipping. I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago Me too. _http://kuerzer.de/terresthole_ (http://kuerzer.de/terresthole) From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com Sat Aug 22 19:56:07 2009 From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 0:56:07 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <000601ca2381$732cce30$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <20090823005607.PKOGZ.522754.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> Trouble is you still get the authorities telling you what you can and can't do with holes just the same as meteorites. as in the old Bernard Cribbins song...!!! There I was, a-digging this hole Hole in the ground, so big and sort of round it was And there was I, digging it deep It was flat at at the bottom and the sides were steep When along comes this bloke in a bowler which he lifted and scratched his head Well he looked down the hole, poor demented soul and he said Do you mind if I make a suggestion? Don?t dig there, dig it elsewhere Your digging it round and it ought to be square The shape of it?s wrong, it?s much much too long And you can?t put hole where a hole don?t belong I ask, what a liberty eh? Nearly bashed him right in the bowler Well there was I, stood in me hole Shovelling earth for all that I was worth I was And there was him, standing up there So grand and official with his nose in the air So I gave him a look sort of sideways and I leaned on me shovel and sighed Well I lit me a fag and having took a drag I replied I just couldn?t bear, to dig it elsewhere I?m digging it round cos I don?t want it square And if you disagree it doesn?t bother me That?s the place where the holes gonna be Well there we were, discussing this hole Hole in the groud so big and sort of round it was It?s not there now, the ground?s all flat And beneath it is the bloke in the bowler hat And that?s that Graham Ensor UK ---- Martin Altmann wrote: > Good idea! ..and I will wire them by hologram. > > I think, each serious collector should carry around a hole in the wallet. > > A collectors dream! - But unfortunately no export permit available, cause it > is a natural heritage: > > http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/374924/701562.jpg > > > > Best! > Martin > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Fred Bieler [mailto:fcb at astronomics.com] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 01:27 > An: 'Martin Altmann'; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > I'd suggest using plastic bubble wrap to protect them during shipment, as it > already consists of many holes surrounded by plastic. That way, if the hole > gets damaged in transit, the recipient already has a supply of replacement > holes on hand. > > Fred Bieler > Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights > www.astronomics.com > 800.422.7876 > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin > Altmann > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:21 PM > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Thank you Matthias, > > indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make > it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the > scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to > hunt his own hole. > I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. > First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. > I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged > during shipping. > I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. > Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a > piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. > All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. > > So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: > "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 > An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one > indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit > daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a > freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Altmann" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > > >I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago > > Me too. > > http://kuerzer.de/terresthole > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve > arnold > Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was > wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has > there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found > a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from > space.Any comments????????? > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 22 20:00:33 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:00:33 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> <000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: Are we talking about just the holes, or the rock around the holes, too? ---------------------------------------- > From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:21:13 +0200 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Thank you Matthias, > > indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make > it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the > scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to > hunt his own hole. > I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. > First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. > I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged > during shipping. > I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. > Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a > piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. > All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. > > So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: > "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 > An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one > indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit > daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a > freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Altmann" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > >>I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago > > Me too. > > http://kuerzer.de/terresthole > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve > arnold > Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was > wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has > there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found > a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from > space.Any comments????????? > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it simple. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357 From majbaermann at web.de Sat Aug 22 20:03:14 2009 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:03:14 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre><000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><000801ca2380$07304370$1590ca50$@com> <000601ca2381$732cce30$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: The whole hole, a national heritage? Very tricky, Martin, but, sorry, I can't accept that. If you don't want, it will be easy for me to get a polished full slice of a black hole from CERN, with perfect weight-surface ratio. Or I'll get your car marked to find access to the hole. And please take into consideration that Hopperthedog already trains with holy long bones. *Holes make the world go around, world go around, world go around* Sincerely etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Good idea! ..and I will wire them by hologram. I think, each serious collector should carry around a hole in the wallet. A collectors dream! - But unfortunately no export permit available, cause it is a natural heritage: http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/374924/701562.jpg Best! Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fred Bieler [mailto:fcb at astronomics.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 01:27 An: 'Martin Altmann'; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites I'd suggest using plastic bubble wrap to protect them during shipment, as it already consists of many holes surrounded by plastic. That way, if the hole gets damaged in transit, the recipient already has a supply of replacement holes on hand. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:21 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Thank you Matthias, indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to hunt his own hole. I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged during shipping. I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago Me too. http://kuerzer.de/terresthole -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve arnold Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from space.Any comments????????? Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cynapse at charter.net Sat Aug 22 21:15:44 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:15:44 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> <000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: I know of a similar rock near here that may be lunar: the hole was once full of green cheese! http://www.oconeecountry.com/stumphouse.html (okay, green blue cheese) From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sat Aug 22 20:09:22 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:09:22 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre><000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><000801ca2380$07304370$1590ca50$@com> <000601ca2381$732cce30$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <000a01ca2385$f8791db0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> No way! Imagine they would catch you on the boarder with a hole in your pocket! They would send you down in the hole or even worse, they would shoot a hole in your head! So please don't do it! Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 02:03 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites The whole hole, a national heritage? Very tricky, Martin, but, sorry, I can't accept that. If you don't want, it will be easy for me to get a polished full slice of a black hole from CERN, with perfect weight-surface ratio. Or I'll get your car marked to find access to the hole. And please take into consideration that Hopperthedog already trains with holy long bones. *Holes make the world go around, world go around, world go around* Sincerely etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Good idea! ..and I will wire them by hologram. I think, each serious collector should carry around a hole in the wallet. A collectors dream! - But unfortunately no export permit available, cause it is a natural heritage: http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/374924/701562.jpg Best! Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fred Bieler [mailto:fcb at astronomics.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 01:27 An: 'Martin Altmann'; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites I'd suggest using plastic bubble wrap to protect them during shipment, as it already consists of many holes surrounded by plastic. That way, if the hole gets damaged in transit, the recipient already has a supply of replacement holes on hand. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:21 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Thank you Matthias, indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to hunt his own hole. I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged during shipping. I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago Me too. http://kuerzer.de/terresthole -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve arnold Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from space.Any comments????????? Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sat Aug 22 20:19:53 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:19:53 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com><008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> <000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <000b01ca2387$70e95f20$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> I suppose Steve follows the path of holism. Therefore his event horizon is determined solely by the hole itself. And the only question, he's interested in, is whether the hole is terrestrial or not from this World. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Pete Pete [mailto:rsvp321 at hotmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 02:01 An: altmann at meteorite-martin.de; meteoritelist meteoritelist Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Are we talking about just the holes, or the rock around the holes, too? ---------------------------------------- > From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:21:13 +0200 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Thank you Matthias, > > indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make > it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the > scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to > hunt his own hole. > I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. > First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. > I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged > during shipping. > I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. > Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a > piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. > All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. > > So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: > "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 > An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one > indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit > daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a > freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Altmann" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > >>I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago > > Me too. > > http://kuerzer.de/terresthole > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve > arnold > Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was > wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has > there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found > a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from > space.Any comments????????? > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it simple. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357= From majbaermann at web.de Sat Aug 22 20:34:23 2009 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:34:23 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com><008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre><000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <000b01ca2387$70e95f20$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <19838218EC254E2B9E9BB78D3E1CC7D9@thinkcentre> Well, the author of the question said it frankly: "I have never seen one [hole] from space.Any comments?????????" Ahm, yes. Holes from/through space - must be wormholes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole Holes, made by worms. It's only a question of penetration. In any case: n o t from this world. My opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites I suppose Steve follows the path of holism. Therefore his event horizon is determined solely by the hole itself. And the only question, he's interested in, is whether the hole is terrestrial or not from this World. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Pete Pete [mailto:rsvp321 at hotmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 02:01 An: altmann at meteorite-martin.de; meteoritelist meteoritelist Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Are we talking about just the holes, or the rock around the holes, too? ---------------------------------------- > From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:21:13 +0200 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Thank you Matthias, > > indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make > it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the > scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to > hunt his own hole. > I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. > First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. > I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged > during shipping. > I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. > Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a > piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. > All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. > > So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: > "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 > An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one > indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit > daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a > freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Altmann" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > >>I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago > > Me too. > > http://kuerzer.de/terresthole > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve > arnold > Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was > wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has > there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found > a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from > space.Any comments????????? > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it simple. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357= ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From John at Cabassi.net Sat Aug 22 20:54:41 2009 From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:54:41 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Test Only. Please Delete Message-ID: <000501ca238c$4d16bd90$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2> Test. Please delete. From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sat Aug 22 20:57:26 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:57:26 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <19838218EC254E2B9E9BB78D3E1CC7D9@thinkcentre> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com><008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre><000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <000b01ca2387$70e95f20$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <19838218EC254E2B9E9BB78D3E1CC7D9@thinkcentre> Message-ID: <000d01ca238c$bd3744f0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Matthias, I beg your pardon. That there would be "holes" in the universe is an even more gigantic hoax than the Moon-landing. Each child knows, that there can't be a vacuum or a "nothing" between the spheres of the stars. Here judge by your own. A pretended "black hole" in space: http://kuerzer.de/blackhole and compare: http://kuerzer.de/holehoaxproof Ooops, we forgot to answer Steve's question: No. Off to bed for today, Martin And never forget: "just gotta help me keep the devil way down in the hole" -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 02:34 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Well, the author of the question said it frankly: "I have never seen one [hole] from space.Any comments?????????" Ahm, yes. Holes from/through space - must be wormholes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole Holes, made by worms. It's only a question of penetration. In any case: n o t from this world. My opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites I suppose Steve follows the path of holism. Therefore his event horizon is determined solely by the hole itself. And the only question, he's interested in, is whether the hole is terrestrial or not from this World. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Pete Pete [mailto:rsvp321 at hotmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 02:01 An: altmann at meteorite-martin.de; meteoritelist meteoritelist Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Are we talking about just the holes, or the rock around the holes, too? ---------------------------------------- > From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:21:13 +0200 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Thank you Matthias, > > indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make > it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the > scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to > hunt his own hole. > I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. > First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. > I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged > during shipping. > I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. > Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a > piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. > All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. > > So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: > "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 > An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one > indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit > daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a > freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Altmann" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > >>I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago > > Me too. > > http://kuerzer.de/terresthole > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve > arnold > Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was > wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has > there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found > a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from > space.Any comments????????? > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it simple. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357= ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From John at Cabassi.net Sat Aug 22 20:59:34 2009 From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:59:34 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601ca238c$fbb8b420$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2> G'Day List Anne, that was funny. In fact the whole concept of holes has been quite amusing. All I can say is Holy Moly http://s485.photobucket.com/albums/rr215/olivine_01/?action=view¤t =file003.jpg But then again, I must stress that holes can be alluring and dangerous http://s485.photobucket.com/albums/rr215/olivine_01/?action=view¤t =ob.gif Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Impactika at aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 4:47 PM To: altmann at meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Martin! Most collectors already have holes in their wallets! And very often it is because of you. ;-) Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/22/2009 5:37:21 PM Mountain Daylight Time, altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes: Good idea! ..and I will wire them by hologram. I think, each serious collector should carry around a hole in the wallet. A collectors dream! - But unfortunately no export permit available, cause it is a natural heritage: _http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/374924/701562.jpg_ (http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/374924/701562.jpg) Best! Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fred Bieler [mailto:fcb at astronomics.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 01:27 An: 'Martin Altmann'; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites I'd suggest using plastic bubble wrap to protect them during shipment, as it already consists of many holes surrounded by plastic. That way, if the hole gets damaged in transit, the recipient already has a supply of replacement holes on hand. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:21 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Thank you Matthias, indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to hunt his own hole. I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged during shipping. I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago Me too. _http://kuerzer.de/terresthole_ (http://kuerzer.de/terresthole) ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From John at Cabassi.net Sat Aug 22 21:13:13 2009 From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:13:13 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <000601ca238c$fbb8b420$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2> Message-ID: <000e01ca238e$e3bc0a00$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2> G'Day List, I apologize for the broken links. It's been a long time since I've been able to post and I messed up. Let's try this again, Thanks for your patience. I'll try to pay more attention in the future. Cheers John G'Day List Anne, that was funny. In fact the whole concept of holes has been quite amusing. All I can say is Holy Moly ( http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr215/olivine_01/file003.jpg ) But then again, I must stress that holes can be alluring and dangerous ( http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr215/olivine_01/ob.gif ) Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Impactika at aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 4:47 PM To: altmann at meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Martin! Most collectors already have holes in their wallets! And very often it is because of you. ;-) Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/22/2009 5:37:21 PM Mountain Daylight Time, altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes: Good idea! ..and I will wire them by hologram. I think, each serious collector should carry around a hole in the wallet. A collectors dream! - But unfortunately no export permit available, cause it is a natural heritage: _http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/374924/701562.jpg_ (http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/374924/701562.jpg) Best! Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Fred Bieler [mailto:fcb at astronomics.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 01:27 An: 'Martin Altmann'; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites I'd suggest using plastic bubble wrap to protect them during shipment, as it already consists of many holes surrounded by plastic. That way, if the hole gets damaged in transit, the recipient already has a supply of replacement holes on hand. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:21 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Thank you Matthias, indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to hunt his own hole. I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged during shipping. I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago Me too. _http://kuerzer.de/terresthole_ (http://kuerzer.de/terresthole) ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From ebay at biol.uw.edu.pl Sat Aug 22 21:12:29 2009 From: ebay at biol.uw.edu.pl (Wadi & Jan Woreczko) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:12:29 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com><008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre><000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <4D5D257FF9F443D7AA2B2AB194DC03AC@Jowisz> Ha There are many holes here: http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/features/glossary-CratersQuiz.htm ;-) Woreczko www.woreczko.pl www.meteoritica.eu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Garrison" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >I know of a similar rock near here that may be lunar: the hole was once >full of > green cheese! > > http://www.oconeecountry.com/stumphouse.html > > (okay, green blue cheese) > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __________ Informacja programu ESET NOD32 Antivirus, wersja bazy sygnatur > wirusow 4359 (20090822) __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez program ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.pl lub http://www.eset.com > > > From cynapse at charter.net Sat Aug 22 22:39:36 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:39:36 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <000d01ca238c$bd3744f0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com><008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre><000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <000b01ca2387$70e95f20$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <19838218EC254E2B9E9BB78D3E1CC7D9@thinkcentre> <000d01ca238c$bd3744f0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:57:26 +0200, you wrote: >I beg your pardon. That there would be "holes" in the universe is an even >more gigantic hoax than the Moon-landing. > I've got a hole in me pocket. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODNVo1o7w8M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_hole From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sat Aug 22 21:41:03 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:41:03 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com><008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre><000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><000b01ca2387$70e95f20$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><19838218EC254E2B9E9BB78D3E1CC7D9@thinkcentre><000d01ca238c$bd3744f0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <000f01ca2392$c71993a0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Please stay serious. Here a hole in situ, fragmented by impact. According newer definitions, it is no hammer. http://kuerzer.de/nohammer Here's a true hammer hole. http://kuerzer.de/hammerhole Off now. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Darren Garrison Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 04:40 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:57:26 +0200, you wrote: >I beg your pardon. That there would be "holes" in the universe is an even >more gigantic hoax than the Moon-landing. > I've got a hole in me pocket. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODNVo1o7w8M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_hole ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From pshugar at clearwire.net Sat Aug 22 21:47:54 2009 From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:47:54 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] re holes Message-ID: <0193B1A7D7734030AFBCFC8655E0CCF3@laptop> Theres a germ on flea on the hair on the wart on the frog on the bump on the log in the sand in the hole on the bottom of the sea. Pete From prairiecactus at rtcol.com Sat Aug 22 22:11:08 2009 From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com (Phil Whitmer) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:11:08 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Message-ID: <333E2CEF68794B0D9537AD418625AF30@whitmerjbqtim1> Martin: Are you taking offers on the whole hole? (Hold on I have to turn down this Hole album, I can't take anymore Courtney Love catterwauling, I think I'll put on Hank Williams Sr. "My Bucket's Got a Hole In It". Btw, how many holes does it take to fill the Albert Hall? Even if the holes are rather small? Phil Whitmer From cynapse at charter.net Sat Aug 22 23:34:03 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:34:03 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] re holes In-Reply-To: <0193B1A7D7734030AFBCFC8655E0CCF3@laptop> References: <0193B1A7D7734030AFBCFC8655E0CCF3@laptop> Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:47:54 -0500, you wrote: >Theres a germ on flea on the hair on the wart on the frog >on the bump on the log in the sand in the hole on the bottom of the sea. There is also a hole in the bucket. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAfCQ-t7xY0 From anitawestlake at att.net Sat Aug 22 23:04:21 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question Message-ID: <665017.38934.qm@web83806.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Dear List: ?? I think it would be helpful if someone not only answered Steve's question, but provided proof of the holiness of non-iron rocks. ?? I hope this helps, Anita From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com Sat Aug 22 23:25:15 2009 From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:25:15 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question Message-ID: Hi Anita, Good call! Out of over a ton of unclassified stony meteorites I have only one with a natural hole. It is 172 gr unclassified and has been cut. I purchased it cut and never obtained the other slice. So you might say I just got the hole. I have had some others with holes but it was fairly clear the hole was due to weathering out of material so I don't count those. Tom In a message dated 8/22/2009 9:04:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, anitawestlake at att.net writes: Dear List: I think it would be helpful if someone not only answered Steve's question, but provided proof of the holiness of non-iron rocks. I hope this helps, Anita ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From anitawestlake at att.net Sat Aug 22 23:26:41 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question In-Reply-To: <665017.38934.qm@web83806.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <665017.38934.qm@web83806.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <297382.97640.qm@web83815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Whoops. Picture didn't come through. Try this link: http://www.theholeintherock.com/ Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: Anita Westlake To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:04:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question Dear List: ?? I think it would be helpful if someone not only answered Steve's question, but provided proof of the holiness of non-iron rocks. ?? I hope this helps, Anita ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cynapse at charter.net Sun Aug 23 00:37:38 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:37:38 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:25:15 EDT, you wrote: >I have had some others with holes but it was fairly clear the hole was due >to weathering out of material so I don't count those. That's how the iron meteorites get holes, too. (Plus ablating out of material of course.) From drtanuki at yahoo.com Sat Aug 22 23:39:30 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites- an attempt towards an answer In-Reply-To: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <461141.81827.qm@web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Steve, Was the day you found the hole same day you found the pocket full of asphalt meteorites? The strangest things seem to happen in Chicago! If one looks at what drives your meteorite buying is holes, lips and lipping, flow lines, and end cuts. Oh, I almost forgot your all time latest favorites Gaos. Your Sikhote-Alin two-holer will be treasured for a while I hope before you dump her onto Ebay? To answer your question Steve... yes stone meteorite can have "holes". "Holes" can occur in stone meteorites due to vugs, vesicles. I have posted a photo on the meteor/meteorite news weblog of Dho 700 with vugs. Photo: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Another cause of holes in stone meteorites is sand grain abrasion. And last, your hole might just be manmade like in some of your irons. Hope that answers a part of your question, Steve. Best of luck with your holes. Dirk Ross....Tokyo --- On Sun, 8/23/09, steve arnold wrote: > From: steve arnold > Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 3:15 AM > Hi list.Well it is nice to see that > the list has quieted down.I was wondering.I know that there > are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has there ever been > any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found > a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never > seen one from space.Any comments????????? > ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > ? ? ? > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mexicodoug at aim.com Sat Aug 22 23:40:34 2009 From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:40:34 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <333E2CEF68794B0D9537AD418625AF30@whitmerjbqtim1> References: <333E2CEF68794B0D9537AD418625AF30@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: <8CBF1BA9B470E05-790-130A8@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> Steve wrote: "I found a hole" In answer to your question Steve, the following stony meteorites have holes in them, enjoy!!! Bunburra Rockhole (recent Aussie witnessed fall fortuitously(?) and expertly classified by Dr. Benedix) Crab Hole (has to be an Aussie favorite) Ehole (Prorly, the only witnessed hole, from Cunene, Ang.) Laundry Rockhole (Shakira?) Sheephole Valley (Nuf' said) Thylacine Hole (Big sheep-eating Puddy Cat hole) You once brown-nosed the finder for his Sheephole Valley - I recall hearing you got some. Matteo once posted (2006): "I need a little piece of Ehole meteorite. Email me in private, thanks." If you're lucky he might trade 'holes with you. As a tip, a gram of Witnessed Ehole goes for more than Artful Sheephole. A-hole-in-won, Doug -----Original Message----- From: Phil Whitmer To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Aug 22, 2009 10:11 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Martin:? Are you taking offers on the whole hole? (Hold on I have to turn down this Hole album, I can't take anymore Courtney Love catterwauling, I think I'll put on Hank Williams Sr. "My Bucket's Got a Hole In It".? ? Btw, how many holes does it take to fill the Albert Hall? Even if the holes are rather small?? ? Phil Whitmer ? ______________________________________________? http://www.meteoritecentral.com? Meteori te-list mailing list? Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com? http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list? From jkg2 at cox.net Sat Aug 22 23:57:19 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:57:19 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question In-Reply-To: <297382.97640.qm@web83815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <665017.38934.qm@web83806.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <297382.97640.qm@web83815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090823035730.QZGP16492.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> It took Anita to get me on track. Here's is Arizona's pride and joy - a natural hole in a terrestrials rock! And...just three miles north of Arizona State University, home or a very famous meteorite collection located in the Bateman Natural Science Building. I believe it is holy as there are a number of wedding performed there every year. Thanks to Chicago Ssteve for starting this very informative and provocative thread! Best, John Gwilliam At 08:26 PM 8/22/2009, Anita Westlake wrote: >Whoops. Picture didn't come through. Try this link: > >http://www.theholeintherock.com/ > >Anita > > > > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Anita Westlake >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:04:21 PM >Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question > >Dear List: > I think it would be helpful if someone not only answered Steve's > question, but provided proof of the holiness of non-iron rocks. > I hope this helps, >Anita >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From MeteorHntr at aol.com Sun Aug 23 00:20:17 2009 From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:20:17 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question Message-ID: Dr. King had a Nuevo Mercurio in his collection, about 25 grams in size, that had a hole in it. It was fully crusted, and the hole was big enough to run a fishing line through. Steve Arnold of "Meteorite Men" In a message dated 8/22/2009 10:04:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, anitawestlake at att.net writes: Dear List: I think it would be helpful if someone not only answered Steve's question, but provided proof of the holiness of non-iron rocks. I hope this helps, Anita From deanbessey at yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 01:11:09 2009 From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: MY NEW WEBSITE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <338908.96971.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Its taken me quite a while to figure out how to build an ecommerce website but I finally have my creation at: http://www.treasureshaven.com/ This will be more than just a meteorite site and I hope to eventually have a very large variety of rocks and minerals listed also. But there are now just over a hundred meteorites on offer so there should be something for everybody. Next week I have plans of listing a very large amount of stuff on the site so keep checking all week for new stuff. Let me know if you have trouble with anything as I only just finished the site and there might still be some bugs Sincerely DEAN BESSEY New Website: http://www.treasureshaven.com/ .. If anybody makes an order this week I will send for free a good luck crystal collection consisting of quartz, amethyst and citrine a gram or two each - the perfect size to carry arround for luck. From leighannedelray at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 01:56:56 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:56:56 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auctions * oriented Taza, Mundrabilla, moldavite, Henbury, Gibeon and More Message-ID: <5e97e2850908222256l68c5a04bs29a9bcf9cd1de381@mail.gmail.com> Hello lovely list, I just wanted to put it out there that I have some auctions ending tomorrow. They are all very lovely. There is a completely oriented wonderful bullet of a Taza, that can be seen here: http://cgi.ebay.com/NICE-ORIENTED-Taza-Iron-Meteorite-rollover-lips-NWA-859_W0QQitemZ250484064563QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a52038133&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 A nice complete Mundrabilla here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Mundrabilla-Iron-Meteorite-Complete-Individual-craters_W0QQitemZ260464039871QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca4ddd7bf&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 And a complete Henbury that is in the shape of a hand or a mitten here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Henbury-Iron-Meteorite-Australia-Complete-Individual-NR_W0QQitemZ250484078938QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a5203b95a&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 And a perfect Gibeon crystal here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibeon-Iron-Meteorite-Crystal-Complete-Individual-NR_W0QQitemZ250484068261QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a52038fa5&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 If you are into Impactites, I have a nice awesome Libyan Desert Glass here: http://cgi.ebay.com/GEM-Libyan-Desert-Glass-Meteorite-Impactite-Tektite-NR_W0QQitemZ260464043976QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca4dde7c8&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 And a moldavite here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Moldavite-meteorite-tektite-Crystal-specimen-A-GRADE_W0QQitemZ260464037717QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca4ddcf55&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 If you want to see all of my auctions (even though there are a lot of non-meteorite items) you can click this link: http://shop.ebay.com/callistodesigns/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Thanks everyone, and have a great night. :>) Leigh Anne DelRay From nuuska at dlc.fi Sun Aug 23 02:19:32 2009 From: nuuska at dlc.fi (Pekka Savolainen) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:19:32 +0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <000601ca2381$732cce30$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> <000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <000801ca2380$07304370$1590ca50$@com> <000601ca2381$732cce30$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <4A90DF74.6000500@dlc.fi> This is turning to be a philosophic dilemma: just found a hole in an empty pocket, and that should be against all the natural laws. Also, how to find the difference between a hole of a donut and a hole of a rock if you have only the hole to study? Perhaps I?m going to collect just holes, think they shouldn?t need much room..., and it is quite easy to find even a worm-hole in a mushroom. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Worm3.jpg But if I?ll buy a hole, how can I be sure, I have bought the whole hole, and not a half or even less...interresting. best, pekka s Martin Altmann kirjoitti: > > I think, each serious collector should carry around a hole in the wallet. > > From tricottetcoll at live.com Sun Aug 23 03:41:32 2009 From: tricottetcoll at live.com (The Tricottet Collection) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:41:32 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about Park Forest impact sites Message-ID: Hi everybody, Does anyone know if the Winslow St. impact and the Navarro impact correspond to the same Park Forest impact site? There is not so much information available around. Here is a link to the Navarro house impact story: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap030506.html As for Winslow street, I just know that there was at least an impact at the front of the house. Any more details? Thanks ArnaudM _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 From info at meteorites.com.au Sun Aug 23 03:56:18 2009 From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:56:18 +1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about Park Forest impact sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9140076634CE45DF8A59FAB6A065E969@JeffPC> Hi Arnaud, Not sure if this helps you or not but here's my PF page which has four Winslow St pieces. The last two pieces have short blurbs written by Steve Arnold #1. http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/january2004.html Cheers, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Tricottet Collection" To: "MeteoriteList" Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about Park Forest impact sites Hi everybody, Does anyone know if the Winslow St. impact and the Navarro impact correspond to the same Park Forest impact site? There is not so much information available around. Here is a link to the Navarro house impact story: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap030506.html As for Winslow street, I just know that there was at least an impact at the front of the house. Any more details? Thanks ArnaudM _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From Impactika at aol.com Sun Aug 23 04:38:02 2009 From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 04:38:02 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question Message-ID: Very nice John. But maybe we should mention that, here in the West, there can also be a Hole in the Wall: _http://www.blm.gov/wy/st/en/field_offices/Buffalo/recreation/holeinwall.htm l_ (http://www.blm.gov/wy/st/en/field_offices/Buffalo/recreation/holeinwall.html) Enough for today. Goodnight. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/22/2009 9:57:42 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jkg2 at cox.net writes: It took Anita to get me on track. Here's is Arizona's pride and joy - a natural hole in a terrestrials rock! And...just three miles north of Arizona State University, home or a very famous meteorite collection located in the Bateman Natural Science Building. I believe it is holy as there are a number of wedding performed there every year. Thanks to Chicago Ssteve for starting this very informative and provocative thread! Best, John Gwilliam At 08:26 PM 8/22/2009, Anita Westlake wrote: >Whoops. Picture didn't come through. Try this link: > >http://www.theholeintherock.com/ > >Anita > From majbaermann at web.de Sun Aug 23 05:12:14 2009 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:12:14 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com><008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre><000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><000b01ca2387$70e95f20$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><19838218EC254E2B9E9BB78D3E1CC7D9@thinkcentre> <000d01ca238c$bd3744f0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <423D4D95C3C74629AD2F74E0CD11A7F0@thinkcentre> No, Martin, no, I wanna believe! Well I see, I'd have to look for a dealer who could offer me a meteorite with hole on Ebay, withdraw the meteorite and so expertedly isolate the hole and ship it to me separately - a pure essential hole, so to say, a nothing-else-than-a-hole. As this hole would be customable, the hole, sorry, the whole problem would be solved perfectly: I'd join our experts from the German custom authorities! They are grandmasters of definition and they finally would reveal the mystery of the hole (perhaps evoking an even more mysterious mystery). Be sure: there would be a howl around the hole close to Ulm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Matthias, I beg your pardon. That there would be "holes" in the universe is an even more gigantic hoax than the Moon-landing. Each child knows, that there can't be a vacuum or a "nothing" between the spheres of the stars. Here judge by your own. A pretended "black hole" in space: http://kuerzer.de/blackhole and compare: http://kuerzer.de/holehoaxproof Ooops, we forgot to answer Steve's question: No. Off to bed for today, Martin And never forget: "just gotta help me keep the devil way down in the hole" -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 02:34 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Well, the author of the question said it frankly: "I have never seen one [hole] from space.Any comments?????????" Ahm, yes. Holes from/through space - must be wormholes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole Holes, made by worms. It's only a question of penetration. In any case: n o t from this world. My opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites I suppose Steve follows the path of holism. Therefore his event horizon is determined solely by the hole itself. And the only question, he's interested in, is whether the hole is terrestrial or not from this World. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Pete Pete [mailto:rsvp321 at hotmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 02:01 An: altmann at meteorite-martin.de; meteoritelist meteoritelist Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Are we talking about just the holes, or the rock around the holes, too? ---------------------------------------- > From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:21:13 +0200 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Thank you Matthias, > > indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to make > it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the > scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to > hunt his own hole. > I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. > First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. > I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged > during shipping. > I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. > Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a > piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. > All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. > > So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: > "Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 > An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one > indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit > daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a > freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Altmann" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > >>I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago > > Me too. > > http://kuerzer.de/terresthole > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve > arnold > Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was > wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has > there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found > a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from > space.Any comments????????? > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it simple. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357= ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Sun Aug 23 07:24:55 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:24:55 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 23, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_23_2009.html From dmerchan at rochester.rr.com Sun Aug 23 09:02:42 2009 From: dmerchan at rochester.rr.com (Don Merchant) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:02:42 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-- Auctions Rare Meteorite Stamps and Postcard Message-ID: Hi List. Been away for a while but have listed some meteorite related auctions ending tonight of some rare meteorite stamps and a sweet hard to find unused postcard of the Basket Meteorite. http://shop.ebay.com/emflocater/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Thanks for your time. Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA 0960 From tinbider at yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 23 09:31:39 2009 From: tinbider at yahoo.co.uk (Aubrey Whymark) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:31:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Dry / dehumidifier cabinets In-Reply-To: <423D4D95C3C74629AD2F74E0CD11A7F0@thinkcentre> Message-ID: <157126.64369.qm@web28513.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi List I was in a photography shop here in Manila and saw some fantastic glass fronted dry cabinets ideal for meteorite collectors. I only keep tektites here in Manila so I don't need one! The prices were very reasonable ranging from about $150 for a small one to $300 for a larger one. I saw two brands and you can view them here: http://www.drycabinet.com.au/main.html http://www.eurekadrytech.com/pro01.aspx The first is Australian and the second Taiwanese so no idea if they are available outside of Australasia, but I hope they are! Maybe someone should stock them! Regards, Aubrey www.tektites.co.uk From mike.hankey at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 10:09:20 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:09:20 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Separated At Birth? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dude, I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, but I think both mikes will be equally insulted for different reasons. Nice work :) Mike On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:29 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > OK, I guess the pictures are too small to see clearly, ?it's M. Farmer and > M. Hankey. > > Phil Whitmer > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar Sun Aug 23 09:47:43 2009 From: info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar (Eduardo) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:47:43 -0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Answering both Steves at once. The Nuevo Mercurio that "meteorite men" Steve mention is now in my collection. But it's not 25g, it's a little under 8g. It has a hole about 2x1mm. I also remember a "tricky" holed meteorite: some D'Orbigny slices/framgments had holes made when gas bubbles were exposed on thin slices or fragments. best regards Eduardo -----Original Message----- From: MeteorHntr at aol.com To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:20:17 EDT Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question > Dr. King had a Nuevo Mercurio in his collection, about 25 grams in > size, > that had a hole in it. It was fully crusted, and the hole was big > enough to > run a fishing line through. > > Steve Arnold > of "Meteorite Men" > > > In a message dated 8/22/2009 10:04:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > anitawestlake at att.net writes: > Dear List: > I think it would be helpful if someone not only answered Steve's > question, > but provided proof of the holiness of non-iron rocks. > I hope this helps, > Anita > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar Sun Aug 23 10:00:01 2009 From: info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar (Eduardo) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:00:01 -0300 Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question In-Reply-To: <20090823035730.QZGP16492.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: Hi again In Argentina there is also a town called Sierra de la Ventana (Hill of the Window). It's name is for a natural terrestrial hole in a nearby Hill. Here are some pages with photos of it: http://www.dondevivimos.com.ar/paginasdv/sierra_ventana.html http://www.panoramio.com/photo/607753 http://www.flickr.com/photos/roswel2/366540074/ http://www.midnightsoret.com.ar/viajes/ventana042003/index.html Eduardo -----Original Message----- From: John Gwilliam To: Anita Westlake , meteorite- list at meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:57:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question > It took Anita to get me on track. > Here's is Arizona's pride and joy - a natural hole in a terrestrials > rock! And...just three miles north of Arizona State University, home > or a very famous meteorite collection located in the Bateman Natural > Science Building. I believe it is holy as there are a number of > wedding performed there every year. > > > > Thanks to Chicago Ssteve for starting this very informative and > provocative thread! > > Best, > > John Gwilliam > > > > At 08:26 PM 8/22/2009, Anita Westlake wrote: > >Whoops. Picture didn't come through. Try this link: > > > >http://www.theholeintherock.com/ > > > >Anita > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ---- > >From: Anita Westlake > >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:04:21 PM > >Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question > > > >Dear List: > > I think it would be helpful if someone not only answered Steve's > > question, but provided proof of the holiness of non-iron rocks. > > I hope this helps, > >Anita > >______________________________________________ > >http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > >______________________________________________ > >http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > John Gwilliam > > Too many people were born on third base > and go through life thinking they hit a triple. > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Sun Aug 23 12:30:37 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 23 Aug 2009 16:30:37 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Holes in Stone Meteorites Message-ID: Hello All, I actually own a very nice Gold Basin meteorite with a perfect hole. It's a crusted slice weighing 11 grams. It is FeNi-rich, has abundant troilite and the matrix displays a mottled appearance. But its main feature is a truly spectacular, perfect hole measuring exactly 3 mm in diameter. Pictures available on request! There's a (w)hole lotta shakin' going on, Bernd P.S.: I almost forgot to tell you that this GB meteorite was a gift from Jim Kriegh and Twink Monrad and that Jim had a hole drilled through it so it can be used as a pendant but I preferred to add it to my collection lest the same might happen to it that happened to some of the El Hammamis ;-) From mccartney at blackbearddata.com Sun Aug 23 13:16:49 2009 From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:16:49 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Band saw blade for cutting irons Message-ID: Who can recommend a brand and make of band saw blade for irons. Same for cutting a pallasite? From gmhupe at htn.net Sun Aug 23 13:18:40 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:18:40 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] The Hole References: <0193B1A7D7734030AFBCFC8655E0CCF3@laptop> Message-ID: <09A8FA21C08A458F9DCBBF59873AC255@Gregor> I am surprised nobody mentioned, "The Hole"! http://www.meteorcrater.com/ Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault From dmerchan at rochester.rr.com Sun Aug 23 13:44:31 2009 From: dmerchan at rochester.rr.com (Don Merchant) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:44:31 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Where is the Basket Meteorite now. Message-ID: Hi List.Does anyone know now where this stunning meteorite known as the Basket Meteorite resides today. Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA 0960 From damoclid at yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 13:42:26 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? Message-ID: <221817.25077.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm wondering if anyone has or know where I can obtain a list of public meteorite collections that are spectacular, or have individual meteorite specimens on display that should not be missed? I'd like to build a POI file for use in GPS units to make it easier to find these collections when I'm out traveling. As with most people, time is tight when I travel, so I'd limit the ones included to the collections that show off the best of the best. Lesser collections that only have common examples shouldn't be included unless they have extraordinary examples of common specimens. I was going to limit the list to those in the US, but I'll open it up to collections around the world. Basically I need the institution and the city and country, but the more information included the better. The best would have all the following. Name Address City County Long & Lat website url Important specimens on display I'm sure that's asking too much for a list that has already been made, but I might as well ask for everything I need here to save time. If no one has a list of collections, I'll ask for suggestions individually so they can be combined into the final files. I'll be building the file in Google Earth, so if it is easier for you, feel free to send me the information as GE placemarks, or you can email me the location using the Google Maps "Send" feature. When I've got a working version, I'll upload the resulting files as both a Google Earth KMZ file and as a GPX file that is readable by most GPS units so others can use it too. Thanks! -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From gmhupe at htn.net Sun Aug 23 13:59:48 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:59:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? References: <221817.25077.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard, One important thing you forgot to include in needed information is, "The combination to the vault!!" ;-) Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kowalski" To: "meteorite list" Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? > I'm wondering if anyone has or know where I can obtain a list of public > meteorite collections that are spectacular, or have individual meteorite > specimens on display that should not be missed? > > I'd like to build a POI file for use in GPS units to make it easier to > find these collections when I'm out traveling. As with most people, time > is tight when I travel, so I'd limit the ones included to the collections > that show off the best of the best. Lesser collections that only have > common examples shouldn't be included unless they have extraordinary > examples of common specimens. > > I was going to limit the list to those in the US, but I'll open it up to > collections around the world. > > Basically I need the institution and the city and country, but the more > information included the better. The best would have all the following. > > Name > Address > City > County > Long & Lat > website url > Important specimens on display > > I'm sure that's asking too much for a list that has already been made, but > I might as well ask for everything I need here to save time. > > If no one has a list of collections, I'll ask for suggestions individually > so they can be combined into the final files. > > I'll be building the file in Google Earth, so if it is easier for you, > feel free to send me the information as GE placemarks, or you can email me > the location using the Google Maps "Send" feature. > > When I've got a working version, I'll upload the resulting files as both a > Google Earth KMZ file and as a GPX file that is readable by most GPS units > so others can use it too. > > Thanks! > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 14:10:28 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:10:28 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? In-Reply-To: References: <221817.25077.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard, I think this is a great idea. I cannot help with the hard data, but here are some famous collections to start with (according to the 2000 edition of Catalogue of Meteorites) - American Museum of Natural History New York, NY, 10024 Denver Museum of Natural History City Park, Denver, CO, 80205 DuPont Meteorite Collection & Planetary Studies Foundation 612 Chatham Circle, Algonquin, IL, 60102 Field Museum of Natural History Chicago, IL, 60705 Harvard Mineralogical Museum 24 Oxford Street, Cambridge, Mass, 02138 Johnson Space Center Houston, TX, 77058 Monnig Meteorite Collection Dept. of Geology, TCU Fort Worth, TX, 76129 UCLA Institute of Geophysics & Planetary Physics UCLA, CA, 90024 University of Arizona Lunar & Planetary Lab Tucson, AZ, 85721 Institute of Meteoritics University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM, 87131 Smithsonian Dept of Mineral Sciences NHB-119, NMNH, Smith, Washington DC, 20560 Peabody Museum of Natural History - Yale P.O. Box 208118, New Haven, CT, 06520-8118 That list is not definitive and the specifics of some entries may be dated, but it's a start. :) Best regards and happy NEO-hunting! MikeG On 8/23/09, Greg Hupe wrote: > Hi Richard, > > One important thing you forgot to include in needed information is, "The > combination to the vault!!" ;-) > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Kowalski" > To: "meteorite list" > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:42 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? > > >> I'm wondering if anyone has or know where I can obtain a list of public >> meteorite collections that are spectacular, or have individual meteorite >> specimens on display that should not be missed? >> >> I'd like to build a POI file for use in GPS units to make it easier to >> find these collections when I'm out traveling. As with most people, time >> is tight when I travel, so I'd limit the ones included to the collections >> that show off the best of the best. Lesser collections that only have >> common examples shouldn't be included unless they have extraordinary >> examples of common specimens. >> >> I was going to limit the list to those in the US, but I'll open it up to >> collections around the world. >> >> Basically I need the institution and the city and country, but the more >> information included the better. The best would have all the following. >> >> Name >> Address >> City >> County >> Long & Lat >> website url >> Important specimens on display >> >> I'm sure that's asking too much for a list that has already been made, but >> >> I might as well ask for everything I need here to save time. >> >> If no one has a list of collections, I'll ask for suggestions individually >> >> so they can be combined into the final files. >> >> I'll be building the file in Google Earth, so if it is easier for you, >> feel free to send me the information as GE placemarks, or you can email me >> >> the location using the Google Maps "Send" feature. >> >> When I've got a working version, I'll upload the resulting files as both a >> >> Google Earth KMZ file and as a GPX file that is readable by most GPS units >> >> so others can use it too. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> Richard Kowalski >> http://fullmoonphotography.net >> IMCA #1081 >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From tbear1 at cableone.net Sun Aug 23 13:54:56 2009 From: tbear1 at cableone.net (Ted Bunch) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:54:56 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Where is the Basket Meteorite now. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It was returned to the Meteor Crater Museum. Ted On 8/23/09 10:44 AM, "Don Merchant" wrote: > Hi List.Does anyone know now where this stunning meteorite known as the > Basket Meteorite resides today. > Sincerely > Don Merchant > IMCA 0960 > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sun Aug 23 14:09:58 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:09:58 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? In-Reply-To: <221817.25077.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <221817.25077.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005901ca241c$ed90bb50$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Vienna, London, Paris, Moscow, Berlin.... the great places, where meteoritics was born. Tokyo and Calcutta, I don't know, what they have on display. Check it out. http://www.jensenmeteorites.com/meteorite-collections.htm Mainz doesn't exist anymore, because in Germany we seem to be to stupid to maintain cutting-edge research, and instead to spend a million per year, we want now to send a redundant robot mission on Moon for 2 billions, because the Chinese and the Indians like the Moon too, to learn more about Moon rocks... Also the responsible people in Mainz seemed to have been lazy. A part of the collection should have been displayed in the NatHist Museum in Frankfurt, but they didn't get even that done. Sniff. Why I have to be so often ashamed of my own country, as soon as it's about meteorites. At least in Berlin they improved and renovated the exhibition recently. Most gorgeous public exhibition in whole Europe and one of the most impressive ones in existence is certainly Vienna, I'd say. Best! Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Richard Kowalski Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 19:42 An: meteorite list Betreff: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? I'm wondering if anyone has or know where I can obtain a list of public meteorite collections that are spectacular, or have individual meteorite specimens on display that should not be missed? I'd like to build a POI file for use in GPS units to make it easier to find these collections when I'm out traveling. As with most people, time is tight when I travel, so I'd limit the ones included to the collections that show off the best of the best. Lesser collections that only have common examples shouldn't be included unless they have extraordinary examples of common specimens. I was going to limit the list to those in the US, but I'll open it up to collections around the world. Basically I need the institution and the city and country, but the more information included the better. The best would have all the following. Name Address City County Long & Lat website url Important specimens on display I'm sure that's asking too much for a list that has already been made, but I might as well ask for everything I need here to save time. If no one has a list of collections, I'll ask for suggestions individually so they can be combined into the final files. I'll be building the file in Google Earth, so if it is easier for you, feel free to send me the information as GE placemarks, or you can email me the location using the Google Maps "Send" feature. When I've got a working version, I'll upload the resulting files as both a Google Earth KMZ file and as a GPX file that is readable by most GPS units so others can use it too. Thanks! -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From gmhupe at htn.net Sun Aug 23 14:14:58 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:14:58 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? References: <221817.25077.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <660D210C305B44F29DC0449558FAD2B2@Gregor> Hi Gary, Ah, you are quick! Which one are you asking about?! :-) Take care, Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Fujihara" To: "Greg Hupe" Cc: "Richard Kowalski" ; Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? > ... And your's is? ;^) > > Sent from Gary's iPhone > > On Aug 23, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Greg Hupe wrote: > >> Hi Richard, >> >> One important thing you forgot to include in needed information is, "The >> combination to the vault!!" ;-) >> >> Best regards, >> Greg >> >> ==================== >> Greg Hupe >> The Hupe Collection >> NaturesVault (eBay) >> gmhupe at htn.net >> www.LunarRock.com >> IMCA 3163 >> ==================== >> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kowalski" > > >> To: "meteorite list" >> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:42 PM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? >> >> >>> I'm wondering if anyone has or know where I can obtain a list of public >>> meteorite collections that are spectacular, or have individual >>> meteorite specimens on display that should not be missed? >>> >>> I'd like to build a POI file for use in GPS units to make it easier to >>> find these collections when I'm out traveling. As with most people, >>> time is tight when I travel, so I'd limit the ones included to the >>> collections that show off the best of the best. Lesser collections that >>> only have common examples shouldn't be included unless they have >>> extraordinary examples of common specimens. >>> >>> I was going to limit the list to those in the US, but I'll open it up >>> to collections around the world. >>> >>> Basically I need the institution and the city and country, but the more >>> information included the better. The best would have all the following. >>> >>> Name >>> Address >>> City >>> County >>> Long & Lat >>> website url >>> Important specimens on display >>> >>> I'm sure that's asking too much for a list that has already been made, >>> but I might as well ask for everything I need here to save time. >>> >>> If no one has a list of collections, I'll ask for suggestions >>> individually so they can be combined into the final files. >>> >>> I'll be building the file in Google Earth, so if it is easier for you, >>> feel free to send me the information as GE placemarks, or you can email >>> me the location using the Google Maps "Send" feature. >>> >>> When I've got a working version, I'll upload the resulting files as >>> both a Google Earth KMZ file and as a GPX file that is readable by most >>> GPS units so others can use it too. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Kowalski >>> http://fullmoonphotography.net >>> IMCA #1081 >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mail at mhmeteorites.com Sun Aug 23 14:15:42 2009 From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:15:42 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? In-Reply-To: References: <221817.25077.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2086909923-1251051418-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1959791569-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Last time I was at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science there were two meteorites on display. Skip it. Instead support the Colorado School of Mines Museum in Golden, CO. They have a few dozen on display and the display itself is quite nice. Oh, and it is FREE. Matt Morgan ---------------------- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -----Original Message----- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:10:28 To: Greg Hupe Cc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? Hi Richard, I think this is a great idea. I cannot help with the hard data, but here are some famous collections to start with (according to the 2000 edition of Catalogue of Meteorites) - American Museum of Natural History New York, NY, 10024 Denver Museum of Natural History City Park, Denver, CO, 80205 DuPont Meteorite Collection & Planetary Studies Foundation 612 Chatham Circle, Algonquin, IL, 60102 Field Museum of Natural History Chicago, IL, 60705 Harvard Mineralogical Museum 24 Oxford Street, Cambridge, Mass, 02138 Johnson Space Center Houston, TX, 77058 Monnig Meteorite Collection Dept. of Geology, TCU Fort Worth, TX, 76129 UCLA Institute of Geophysics & Planetary Physics UCLA, CA, 90024 University of Arizona Lunar & Planetary Lab Tucson, AZ, 85721 Institute of Meteoritics University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM, 87131 Smithsonian Dept of Mineral Sciences NHB-119, NMNH, Smith, Washington DC, 20560 Peabody Museum of Natural History - Yale P.O. Box 208118, New Haven, CT, 06520-8118 That list is not definitive and the specifics of some entries may be dated, but it's a start. :) Best regards and happy NEO-hunting! MikeG On 8/23/09, Greg Hupe wrote: > Hi Richard, > > One important thing you forgot to include in needed information is, "The > combination to the vault!!" ;-) > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Kowalski" > To: "meteorite list" > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:42 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? > > >> I'm wondering if anyone has or know where I can obtain a list of public >> meteorite collections that are spectacular, or have individual meteorite >> specimens on display that should not be missed? >> >> I'd like to build a POI file for use in GPS units to make it easier to >> find these collections when I'm out traveling. As with most people, time >> is tight when I travel, so I'd limit the ones included to the collections >> that show off the best of the best. Lesser collections that only have >> common examples shouldn't be included unless they have extraordinary >> examples of common specimens. >> >> I was going to limit the list to those in the US, but I'll open it up to >> collections around the world. >> >> Basically I need the institution and the city and country, but the more >> information included the better. The best would have all the following. >> >> Name >> Address >> City >> County >> Long & Lat >> website url >> Important specimens on display >> >> I'm sure that's asking too much for a list that has already been made, but >> >> I might as well ask for everything I need here to save time. >> >> If no one has a list of collections, I'll ask for suggestions individually >> >> so they can be combined into the final files. >> >> I'll be building the file in Google Earth, so if it is easier for you, >> feel free to send me the information as GE placemarks, or you can email me >> >> the location using the Google Maps "Send" feature. >> >> When I've got a working version, I'll upload the resulting files as both a >> >> Google Earth KMZ file and as a GPX file that is readable by most GPS units >> >> so others can use it too. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> Richard Kowalski >> http://fullmoonphotography.net >> IMCA #1081 >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From majbaermann at web.de Sun Aug 23 14:36:58 2009 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:36:58 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? References: <221817.25077.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005901ca241c$ed90bb50$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <95AC06CE0B484AC28D19B8698E04DF18@thinkcentre> What concerns the history of the wonderful meteorite collection of the Natural History Museum, Vienna, please see here ... http://books.google.de/books?id=7SvtVoa1W-cC&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=prague+%2Bmeteorite+collection&source=bl&ots=VYyltN-1kf&sig=q1WDN4mfwxBQwQqpLSMyOvFRXnc&hl=de&ei=JYmRSvDEFJGb_AbN-7CvAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#v=onepage&q=prague%20%2Bmeteorite%20collection&f=false ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? Most gorgeous public exhibition in whole Europe and one of the most impressive ones in existence is certainly Vienna, I'd say. Best! Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Richard Kowalski Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 19:42 An: meteorite list Betreff: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? I'm wondering if anyone has or know where I can obtain a list of public meteorite collections that are spectacular, or have individual meteorite specimens on display that should not be missed? I'd like to build a POI file for use in GPS units to make it easier to find these collections when I'm out traveling. As with most people, time is tight when I travel, so I'd limit the ones included to the collections that show off the best of the best. Lesser collections that only have common examples shouldn't be included unless they have extraordinary examples of common specimens. I was going to limit the list to those in the US, but I'll open it up to collections around the world. Basically I need the institution and the city and country, but the more information included the better. The best would have all the following. Name Address City County Long & Lat website url Important specimens on display I'm sure that's asking too much for a list that has already been made, but I might as well ask for everything I need here to save time. If no one has a list of collections, I'll ask for suggestions individually so they can be combined into the final files. I'll be building the file in Google Earth, so if it is easier for you, feel free to send me the information as GE placemarks, or you can email me the location using the Google Maps "Send" feature. When I've got a working version, I'll upload the resulting files as both a Google Earth KMZ file and as a GPX file that is readable by most GPS units so others can use it too. Thanks! -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From fujmon at mac.com Sun Aug 23 14:01:41 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:01:41 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? In-Reply-To: References: <221817.25077.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ... And your's is? ;^) Sent from Gary's iPhone On Aug 23, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Greg Hupe wrote: > Hi Richard, > > One important thing you forgot to include in needed information is, > "The combination to the vault!!" ;-) > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kowalski" > > To: "meteorite list" > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:42 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? > > >> I'm wondering if anyone has or know where I can obtain a list of >> public meteorite collections that are spectacular, or have >> individual meteorite specimens on display that should not be missed? >> >> I'd like to build a POI file for use in GPS units to make it easier >> to find these collections when I'm out traveling. As with most >> people, time is tight when I travel, so I'd limit the ones included >> to the collections that show off the best of the best. Lesser >> collections that only have common examples shouldn't be included >> unless they have extraordinary examples of common specimens. >> >> I was going to limit the list to those in the US, but I'll open it >> up to collections around the world. >> >> Basically I need the institution and the city and country, but the >> more information included the better. The best would have all the >> following. >> >> Name >> Address >> City >> County >> Long & Lat >> website url >> Important specimens on display >> >> I'm sure that's asking too much for a list that has already been >> made, but I might as well ask for everything I need here to save >> time. >> >> If no one has a list of collections, I'll ask for suggestions >> individually so they can be combined into the final files. >> >> I'll be building the file in Google Earth, so if it is easier for >> you, feel free to send me the information as GE placemarks, or you >> can email me the location using the Google Maps "Send" feature. >> >> When I've got a working version, I'll upload the resulting files as >> both a Google Earth KMZ file and as a GPX file that is readable by >> most GPS units so others can use it too. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> Richard Kowalski >> http://fullmoonphotography.net >> IMCA #1081 >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From leighannedelray at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 14:50:45 2009 From: leighannedelray at gmail.com (Leigh Anne DelRay) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:50:45 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auctions * oriented Taza, Mundrabilla, moldavite, Henbury, Gibeon and More Message-ID: <5e97e2850908231150v23d57f90gc1f90bb2d398ebcf@mail.gmail.com> Hello lovely list, I just wanted to put it out there that I have some auctions ending tomorrow. They are all very lovely. There is a completely oriented wonderful bullet of a Taza, that can be seen here: http://cgi.ebay.com/NICE-ORIENTED-Taza-Iron-Meteorite-rollover-lips-NWA-859_W0QQitemZ250484064563QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a52038133&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 A nice complete Mundrabilla here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Mundrabilla-Iron-Meteorite-Complete-Individual-craters_W0QQitemZ260464039871QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca4ddd7bf&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 And a complete Henbury that is in the shape of a hand or a mitten here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Henbury-Iron-Meteorite-Australia-Complete-Individual-NR_W0QQitemZ250484078938QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a5203b95a&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 And a perfect Gibeon crystal here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibeon-Iron-Meteorite-Crystal-Complete-Individual-NR_W0QQitemZ250484068261QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a52038fa5&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 If you are into Impactites, I have a nice awesome Libyan Desert Glass here: http://cgi.ebay.com/GEM-Libyan-Desert-Glass-Meteorite-Impactite-Tektite-NR_W0QQitemZ260464043976QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca4dde7c8&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 And a moldavite here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Moldavite-meteorite-tektite-Crystal-specimen-A-GRADE_W0QQitemZ260464037717QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca4ddcf55&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14 If you want to see all of my auctions (even though there are a lot of non-meteorite items) you can click this link: http://shop.ebay.com/callistodesigns/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Thanks everyone, and have a great night. :>) Leigh Anne DelRay (sorry if this went out twice, I sent it already, but never saw it appear for some reason) From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 15:43:30 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] must see meteorite collections/ freebies Message-ID: <213835.67433.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The field museum here in chicago has a nice collection.Including a great park forest display.But soon it really will be world class when the james dupont meteorite collection comes to the windy city.For that I can hardly wait..Well 35 people answerd and 35 people are getting freebies.The biggest ever..All went out today 1st class mail or parcel post.I hope you like them as much as I enjoyed giving them away.Well have a great day all. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From marie.m.osterberg at telia.com Sun Aug 23 14:43:25 2009 From: marie.m.osterberg at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_=D6sterberg?=) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:43:25 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fell in front of children Message-ID: <70D0B5DFD985488C8591CC893055D2D7@thomaslemjmqar> Dear Listoids, It looks like the dog Hopper now has got a competitor, living in southern Sweden! Her name is Molly. According to the newspaper Sydsvenska Dagbladet, a meteorite fell down in front of a group of cildren (and the dog Molly) last week, just outside the small village St.Olof, situated in the Swedish provice of Scania, about 100 km east of Copenhagen. Heres a link to the article: http://sydsvenskan.se/sverige/article538923/Barn-nara-att-traffas-av-mystisk-flygande-sten.html I have tried to translate the text content to English. The children Villmaron Andreasson 9, Linn-Klara Andreasdaughter 7, Ebba Larsson 8, and Vinga Andreasdaughter 11, was out and went with the family dogs in the grove behind Sankt Olof (in the province of Scania, southernmost Sweden). It said "schwissssss", said Villmaron and shows with his arms how fast the stone damp down, just a few meters in front of them. "It was like smoke". When the stone hit the ground, dust and smoke swirled up. Villmaron first thought it was a branch that had fallen down, but the dog Molly, that first got very scared, finally took courage, and sniffed her way to the stone, situated in a hole a few inches down. It was Molly who found it! The stone is very black and full of holes. Looks like it was burnt of fire, says Villmaron. It almost looks like a piece of petrified lava says Villmarons father Andreas Johansson. The children immediately took the stone with them and run home. They were very excited, says their mother Maja Larsson. They talked in mouth of each other and told their parents that the rock fell from the sky with a high velocity and how the gravel had whirled up and how scared the dog had been. Then the kids run on to Grandma and Grandpa living in the same village, in order to show them the stone too. When the children had left, their mother Maja started to brood. "First after a while it went up for me how lucky the children had been. Imagine if anybody of them had been hit by the stone? It could have gone really bad". The first I found out to do was to call Ystads Allehanda (a local newspaper) says Maja laughing. Is it really a meteorite? Well the family is convinced that it is! At the official web site of the National Museum of Natural History in Stockholm, we learn that a meteorite will be magnetic. Maja ties a refrigerator magnet to a sewing thread and holds the magnet next to the stone. The magnet attracts directly to the stone. The shape and colour also corresponds to the description of a meteorite at the National Museum web site. Can it be of any worth wonder Maja tactfully? But she rapidly concludes that this issue is not important. The stone will be framed and hanged up on the wall, as a memory of an exceptionally event. First the stone will be sent to the Swedish Museum of Natural History for identification. If it's turns up to is genuine meteorite the story will be even better! The picture of the stone makes me a little bit suspicious. Has some similarities to a piece of slag. Happy hunting. Thomas ?sterberg From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 23 16:16:15 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:16:15 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections Message-ID: <60402E11DC5340638652C7EF821E7044@user6e6e286533> Hi Richard, The finest and the world's largest non-government meteorite collection is right here in the Midwest, in Chicago, literally, in my back yard where I am a member and a friend of members of the staff. The Field Museum of Natural History. Here below is the link to The Field's Meteorite Catalogue with a photo of the lovely Dr. Meenakshi Wadhwa who is no longer with The Field. This is an outdated photo since Dr. Wadhwa left two and a half years ago to be the Curator at Arizona State University. This is only a portion of The Field's collection online since it is outdated since now they have added the famous DuPont Collection from the famous James M. DuPont of Watchung, Jew Jersey, which includes 1,700 meteorites from The Planetary Studies Foundation of Galena, Illinois, and this has been added to The Fields existing collection of over 2,000 meteorites which is now at The Field in storage. The Field received gifts of funding and meteorites of over $10 million. I attended the ceremony of the dedication of The Robert A. Pritzker Center for Meteoritics and Polar Studies, earlier this year on April 18, 2009 where retired Colonel J.N. Pritzker founder and president of the Chicago-based Tawani Foundation presented The Field with a gift of $7.3 million in honor of his father, Robert Pritzker. I have a photo of that, but forget how to put that into photobucket to show all of you, but it's just a photo of the Pritzkers on the stage and a ribbon cutting ceremony. You can still get a very clear view of the massive collection here and I'm sure they are working on updating this collection but with time and the economy personnel are short in getting this information online. Here is the link to the catalogue http://www.fieldmuseum.org/research_collections/geology/meteor_col.pdf and the main link to The Field is http://www.fieldmuseum.org/ and here is the address and phone number. The Field Museum, All Rights Reserved 1400 S. Lake Shore Dr, Chicago, IL 60605-2496 312.922.9410 I hope this helps with your GPS addition. Sincerely, Brian Cox IMCA # 6387 Searchingforfun is my ebay User Id Chicago, Illinois USA From mlblood at cox.net Sun Aug 23 16:20:25 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:20:25 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Info wanted In-Reply-To: <5e97e2850908231150v23d57f90gc1f90bb2d398ebcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have been trying to reach Bruno Factay. However, my emails get kicked back. I tried The phone numbers I have and they all state there Is no such number, then I tried adding a "1" after The "33" as suggested by COX and that didn't work, Either. Does anyone have working phone numbers for Bruno that are all the numbers to be used from the US? Off list, please. Thanks, Michael PS: If you read this, Bruno, please alter your email Program to specifically accept emails from my email Address. Thanks. From eric at meteoritesusa.com Sun Aug 23 16:46:59 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:46:59 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] METEORITE CONTEST Message-ID: <4A91AAC3.2000200@meteoritesusa.com> Hello all you meteorite freaks and Astro Nuts! In light of the BAD economy, I've got something all you astronomy buffs, collectors, scientists and meteorite dealers might just be interested in. A "little" Meteorite Contest - Free meteorite: http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-Meteorite-Achondrite-ucrite-impact-melt-4-9g_W0QQitemZ260465700779 A possible Ucrite, Impact Melt, or Achondrite... It's an unclassified stone, and an awesome little 4.9 gram meteorite specimen from my personal collection. This piece exhibits some GORGEOUS crackly greenish gray fusion crust, and huge iron inclusions! The first person to post 10 FREE classified ADs on my newest FREE classified ADs site Spacifieds.com http://www.spacifieds.com/ gets the meteorite FREE. I'll even pay shipping anywhere in the world. AD tracking: I'm tracking the ads that are posted via email notification. The first person to reach the 10 AD goal gets the meteorite. Simple as that! *** There's no limit to the number of ADs you can post! *** You can post ANYTHING related to meteorites and astronomy. Collectibles, Meteorites, Telescopes, cameras, tripods, lenses, filters, books, magazines, comics, artwork, software, games, lithographs, posters, and turtles (OK no turtles)... Did I mention that it's FREE to post UNLIMITED ads! So, you have no excuse not to post... No go start posting: www.spacifieds.com Enjoy & Good Luck! Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 23 17:13:01 2009 From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:13:01 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections Message-ID: <619C5F0ADB86493885E7D4D0FCE08487@user6e6e286533> I wanted to mention that since this is only a portion of The Field's collection that is available online at this time since it is outdated from the time this was put into PDF file format, and now they have added the famous DuPont Collection from the famous James M. DuPont of Watchung, New Jersey, which includes 1,700 meteorites from The Planetary Studies Foundation of Galena, Illinois, and this has been added to The Fields existing collection of over 2,000 meteorites which is now at The Field in storage. Even in a museum as large as The Field they don't have room to display all of the items at any one time. Actually they have told me that 90% of their collections are in storage. It will probably take them a couple of years to get the added 1,700 online. Thanks, Brian Cox IMCA # 6387 searchingforfun is my ebay User Id Chicago, Illinois USA From mlblood at cox.net Sun Aug 23 17:17:56 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:17:56 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Info no longer needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks to Peter, Phil & Dirk I now have all the info I was seeking. No more, please. Thanks, Michael On 8/23/09 1:20 PM, "Michael Blood" wrote: > I have been trying to reach Bruno Factay. > However, my emails get kicked back. I tried > The phone numbers I have and they all state there > Is no such number, then I tried adding a "1" after > The "33" as suggested by COX and that didn't work, > Either. > Does anyone have working phone numbers for > Bruno that are all the numbers to be used from the > US? > Off list, please. > Thanks, Michael > PS: If you read this, Bruno, please alter your email > Program to specifically accept emails from my email > Address. Thanks. > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From peterscherff at rcn.com Sun Aug 23 17:11:42 2009 From: peterscherff at rcn.com (Peter Scherff) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:11:42 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? In-Reply-To: <221817.25077.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <221817.25077.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <011201ca2436$50175220$f045f660$@com> Hi Richard, I would start with MetBase http://www.metbase.de/home.html It lists hundreds of collections. Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kowalski Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:42 PM To: meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? I'm wondering if anyone has or know where I can obtain a list of public meteorite collections that are spectacular, or have individual meteorite specimens on display that should not be missed? I'd like to build a POI file for use in GPS units to make it easier to find these collections when I'm out traveling. As with most people, time is tight when I travel, so I'd limit the ones included to the collections that show off the best of the best. Lesser collections that only have common examples shouldn't be included unless they have extraordinary examples of common specimens. I was going to limit the list to those in the US, but I'll open it up to collections around the world. Basically I need the institution and the city and country, but the more information included the better. The best would have all the following. Name Address City County Long & Lat website url Important specimens on display I'm sure that's asking too much for a list that has already been made, but I might as well ask for everything I need here to save time. If no one has a list of collections, I'll ask for suggestions individually so they can be combined into the final files. I'll be building the file in Google Earth, so if it is easier for you, feel free to send me the information as GE placemarks, or you can email me the location using the Google Maps "Send" feature. When I've got a working version, I'll upload the resulting files as both a Google Earth KMZ file and as a GPX file that is readable by most GPS units so others can use it too. Thanks! -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 17:42:16 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] METEORITE CONTEST In-Reply-To: <4A91AAC3.2000200@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <259095.20297.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I would like to comment of Erics new classified website: http://www.spacifieds.com Its very easy to upload and list items to and is FREE. I listed a few things on it and found it to be very easy and simple to do. Anyone selling meteorites, please take the time to list a meteorite or two, it takes about 1 minute to do and might just save you a little bit on ebay listing and final value fees. It would be nice to see an alternative to ebay, if we all list and buy a piece or two off erics new site, it just may be the option many of us would like. Yes, it does not have the visitors yet that ebay does, but it could serve as a nice spot for selling meteorites. With some metlist member support, I think this could be a good thing. Just my 2 pennies. Greg C. --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Meteorites USA wrote: > From: Meteorites USA > Subject: [meteorite-list] METEORITE CONTEST > To: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 4:46 PM > Hello all you meteorite freaks and > Astro Nuts! > > In light of the BAD economy, I've got something all you > astronomy buffs, collectors, scientists and meteorite > dealers might just be interested in. > > A "little" Meteorite Contest - Free meteorite: http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-Meteorite-Achondrite-ucrite-impact-melt-4-9g_W0QQitemZ260465700779 > > > A possible Ucrite, Impact Melt, or Achondrite... It's an > unclassified stone, and an awesome little 4.9 gram meteorite > specimen from my personal collection. This piece exhibits > some GORGEOUS crackly greenish gray fusion crust, and huge > iron inclusions! > > The first person to post 10 FREE classified ADs on my > newest FREE classified ADs site Spacifieds.com http://www.spacifieds.com/ gets the meteorite FREE. > I'll even pay shipping anywhere in the world. > > AD tracking: I'm tracking the ads that are posted via email > notification. > > The first person to reach the 10 AD goal gets the > meteorite. Simple as that! > > *** There's no limit to the number of ADs you can post! > *** You can post ANYTHING related to meteorites and > astronomy. Collectibles, Meteorites, Telescopes, cameras, > tripods, lenses, filters, books, magazines, comics, artwork, > software, games, lithographs, posters, and turtles (OK no > turtles)... > > Did I mention that it's FREE to post UNLIMITED ads! So, you > have no excuse not to post... > > No go start posting: www.spacifieds.com > > Enjoy & Good Luck! > > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From eric at meteoritesusa.com Sun Aug 23 17:54:44 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:54:44 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] METEORITE CONTEST In-Reply-To: <259095.20297.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <259095.20297.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A91BAA4.7040608@meteoritesusa.com> Thanks Greg! I appreciate your comments. Really Greg's right. It's not Ebay, but it's free, and it will certainly grow as more people become aware of the site. The more people that post, the more buyers will come and the more popular it will become. Oh yeah, I almost forgot! Keep a look out... I might have something else planned in just a little bit... ;) Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA Greg Catterton wrote: > I would like to comment of Erics new classified website: > http://www.spacifieds.com > > Its very easy to upload and list items to and is FREE. I listed a few things on it and found it to be very easy and simple to do. > > Anyone selling meteorites, please take the time to list a meteorite or two, it takes about 1 minute to do and might just save you a little bit on ebay listing and final value fees. > > It would be nice to see an alternative to ebay, if we all list and buy a piece or two off erics new site, it just may be the option many of us would like. > > Yes, it does not have the visitors yet that ebay does, but it could serve as a nice spot for selling meteorites. With some metlist member support, I think this could be a good thing. > > Just my 2 pennies. > > Greg C. > > > --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Meteorites USA wrote: > > >> From: Meteorites USA >> Subject: [meteorite-list] METEORITE CONTEST >> To: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" >> Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 4:46 PM >> Hello all you meteorite freaks and >> Astro Nuts! >> >> In light of the BAD economy, I've got something all you >> astronomy buffs, collectors, scientists and meteorite >> dealers might just be interested in. >> >> A "little" Meteorite Contest - Free meteorite: http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-Meteorite-Achondrite-ucrite-impact-melt-4-9g_W0QQitemZ260465700779 >> >> >> A possible Ucrite, Impact Melt, or Achondrite... It's an >> unclassified stone, and an awesome little 4.9 gram meteorite >> specimen from my personal collection. This piece exhibits >> some GORGEOUS crackly greenish gray fusion crust, and huge >> iron inclusions! >> >> The first person to post 10 FREE classified ADs on my >> newest FREE classified ADs site Spacifieds.com http://www.spacifieds.com/ gets the meteorite FREE. >> I'll even pay shipping anywhere in the world. >> >> AD tracking: I'm tracking the ads that are posted via email >> notification. >> >> The first person to reach the 10 AD goal gets the >> meteorite. Simple as that! >> >> *** There's no limit to the number of ADs you can post! >> *** You can post ANYTHING related to meteorites and >> astronomy. Collectibles, Meteorites, Telescopes, cameras, >> tripods, lenses, filters, books, magazines, comics, artwork, >> software, games, lithographs, posters, and turtles (OK no >> turtles)... >> >> Did I mention that it's FREE to post UNLIMITED ads! So, you >> have no excuse not to post... >> >> No go start posting: www.spacifieds.com >> >> Enjoy & Good Luck! >> >> Regards, >> Eric Wichman >> Meteorites USA >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Sun Aug 23 18:04:08 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:04:08 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Hint - New Mars Coin - 5$ Cook Islands - with NWA 4925 Message-ID: <006a01ca243d$a4a1e9c0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Good evening list, Bob was fastest and discovered it first, and because last time our information on the newly issued Moon Coin was much appreciated, we want to direct the attention of the meteorite coins fans to a brand-new Mars coin, coming out these days. The design resumes the design of the Moon coin and the result, we think, is again very tasteful. The avers displays the Martian relief - you easily spot the gigantic chasma of the Valles Marineris, the largest Canyon of the solar system, and in the volcanic Tharsis region, there where it might belong to, is mounted a piece of the Chladnian shergottite NWA 4925. The reverse has the portrait of the Queen. The coin consist of 925er silver and is copper plated - usually you do it the opposite way round - but with the copper plating the coin gets a reddish play of colours, as it should be with the Red Planet. Weight is 25g, diameter is 38.61 mm, quality is PROOF, And 2500 pieces were minted. It is a legal tender and no token, nor medal. Find the pictures and the details here: http://kuerzer.de/Marscoin Attention! The coin won't be available before the last week of September, but it already can be pre-ordered there - it's the same firm like last time. We were told, that the Moon coins went very quickly and that coin collectors pay now, after such a short time, already up to 150$ for the Moon coin. So maybe an early order couldn't be the worst idea. Well, and we think it will make up a great combo with Moon coin! Have a fine Sunday, Stefan & Martin ---------- Stefan Ralew & Martin Altmann Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/ From edeckert at triad.rr.com Sun Aug 23 20:06:36 2009 From: edeckert at triad.rr.com (Ed Deckert) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:06:36 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] New Book - Meteorites of Alberta Message-ID: <00ef01ca244e$bf43efb0$6401a8c0@EdDeckertMain> Hi List, I was just browsing Amazon.com and was provided a link to "Meteorites of Alberta" by Anthony J Whyte. Here is the link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0888644752/ref=pd_luc_mrairnr_01_01# Is anyone familiar with the author, or has anyone read this book? So far there are no reviews on Amazon. Thanks, Ed ------------------------------------------- Ed Deckert IMCA #8911 http://imca.cc/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.13100 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From eric at meteoritesusa.com Sun Aug 23 20:08:59 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:08:59 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] METEORITE CONTEST - UPDATE: Winner! Plus The Dino Campo! In-Reply-To: <4A91AAC3.2000200@meteoritesusa.com> References: <4A91AAC3.2000200@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <4A91DA1B.1030305@meteoritesusa.com> We have a WINNER! Congrats to Greg Catterton! Great job Greg, you got the free meteorite. It'll be on it's way to you tomorrow! Thanks Greg... You'll have your new meteorite soon... Enjoy... ------------------------------------- I'm thinking that was way too easy! ;) That's why I'm having another contest! This time though, I'm switching it up a bit. I realized that by making the last contest a "first to post 10 ads" contest it accidentally ostracized those of you who might only have one item you'd like to list. To make it fair for EVERYONE I've created a contest that allows ANYONE to post a single post the same chance to win as anyone else! Each post has a view counter which counts the number of view each ad receives. The person whose single AD receives the most views at the end of 7 days will receive the FREE "Dino Campo" iron meteorite FREE. Again, I'll pay for shipping! DINO CAMPO!!! - 98.5g Campo del Cielo Iron (Natural Uncleaned) - Shaped Like A Dinosaur!!! (or maybe a turtle... ;) http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-CAMPO-DEL-CIELO-IRON-98-5-Grams-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ260464456583 RULES To Qualify: Some ads were posted with no photos. This detracts from the aesthetics of the site's neat layout. So Ive implemented some simple rules. *** All AD posts MUST have a photo *** All AD Posts MUST have a price or the single words "TRADE" or "OFFER" in the price field That's it.. Go Post Now: http://www.spacifieds.com/ Just as a side note. Spacifieds.com isn't just a meteorite classified site. You can post ANYTHING related to meteorites or astronomy. Post FREE Unlimited Classified ADs Post ANYTHING related to Meteorites & Astronomy Telescopes, Books, Magazines Collectibles, Art & Lithographs Buy Sell & Trade Post your Trade item free Free Photo Submission Add multiple photos Easy to use Fast Posting Unlimited AD Relisting Trade ADs are welcome too: For those of you who would like to trade their items, you're more than welcome to post a TRADE. Simply type the word TRADE in the Subject and Price field when posting your ad. Posting is simple, fast, & FREE! Good Luck! Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA P.S. A lot of good meteorites were posted in the first round meteorite contest. You guys who haven't checked it out yet will want to take a look. There's some lunar meteorites, some Tatahouine, Camel Donga, Handbook of Iron Meteorites, and a rare Mesosiderite that's been posted. Good stuff from reputable dealers with great prices! http://www.spacifieds.com/ From astroroks at hotmail.com Sun Aug 23 21:49:21 2009 From: astroroks at hotmail.com (Dennis Miller) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:49:21 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: "Must See" Meteorite Collections? In-Reply-To: <2086909923-1251051418-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1959791569-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <221817.25077.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2086909923-1251051418-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1959791569-@bxe1058.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Good Afternoon Matt and All.... I was wondering where the Denver Museum may have put Dr. Nininger's meteorites he acquired while there. I was once was told that they are all stashed away in some lower level of the museum, in storage... True? If so, how sad.. They should send them over to Golden, for display. Dennis Miller > To: meteoritemike at gmail.com; meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com; gmhupe at htn.net > From: mail at mhmeteorites.com > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:15:42 +0000 > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? > > Last time I was at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science there were two meteorites on display. Skip it. > > Instead support the Colorado School of Mines Museum in Golden, CO. They have a few dozen on display and the display itself is quite nice. Oh, and it is FREE. > > Matt Morgan > ---------------------- > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" > > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:10:28 > To: Greg Hupe > Cc: > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? > > > Hi Richard, > > I think this is a great idea. I cannot help with the hard data, but > here are some famous collections to start with (according to the 2000 > edition of Catalogue of Meteorites) - > > American Museum of Natural History > New York, NY, 10024 > > Denver Museum of Natural History > City Park, Denver, CO, 80205 > > DuPont Meteorite Collection & Planetary Studies Foundation > 612 Chatham Circle, Algonquin, IL, 60102 > > Field Museum of Natural History > Chicago, IL, 60705 > > Harvard Mineralogical Museum > 24 Oxford Street, Cambridge, Mass, 02138 > > Johnson Space Center > Houston, TX, 77058 > > Monnig Meteorite Collection > Dept. of Geology, TCU > Fort Worth, TX, 76129 > > UCLA Institute of Geophysics & Planetary Physics > UCLA, CA, 90024 > > University of Arizona Lunar & Planetary Lab > Tucson, AZ, 85721 > > Institute of Meteoritics > University of New Mexico > Albuquerque, NM, 87131 > > Smithsonian > Dept of Mineral Sciences > NHB-119, NMNH, Smith, Washington DC, 20560 > > Peabody Museum of Natural History - Yale > P.O. Box 208118, New Haven, CT, 06520-8118 > > That list is not definitive and the specifics of some entries may be > dated, but it's a start. :) > > Best regards and happy NEO-hunting! > > MikeG > > > > On 8/23/09, Greg Hupe wrote: >> Hi Richard, >> >> One important thing you forgot to include in needed information is, "The >> combination to the vault!!" ;-) >> >> Best regards, >> Greg >> >> ==================== >> Greg Hupe >> The Hupe Collection >> NaturesVault (eBay) >> gmhupe at htn.net >> www.LunarRock.com >> IMCA 3163 >> ==================== >> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Kowalski" >> To: "meteorite list" >> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:42 PM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] "Must See" Meteorite Collections? >> >> >>> I'm wondering if anyone has or know where I can obtain a list of public >>> meteorite collections that are spectacular, or have individual meteorite >>> specimens on display that should not be missed? >>> >>> I'd like to build a POI file for use in GPS units to make it easier to >>> find these collections when I'm out traveling. As with most people, time >>> is tight when I travel, so I'd limit the ones included to the collections >>> that show off the best of the best. Lesser collections that only have >>> common examples shouldn't be included unless they have extraordinary >>> examples of common specimens. >>> >>> I was going to limit the list to those in the US, but I'll open it up to >>> collections around the world. >>> >>> Basically I need the institution and the city and country, but the more >>> information included the better. The best would have all the following. >>> >>> Name >>> Address >>> City >>> County >>> Long & Lat >>> website url >>> Important specimens on display >>> >>> I'm sure that's asking too much for a list that has already been made, but >>> >>> I might as well ask for everything I need here to save time. >>> >>> If no one has a list of collections, I'll ask for suggestions individually >>> >>> so they can be combined into the final files. >>> >>> I'll be building the file in Google Earth, so if it is easier for you, >>> feel free to send me the information as GE placemarks, or you can email me >>> >>> the location using the Google Maps "Send" feature. >>> >>> When I've got a working version, I'll upload the resulting files as both a >>> >>> Google Earth KMZ file and as a GPX file that is readable by most GPS units >>> >>> so others can use it too. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Kowalski >>> http://fullmoonphotography.net >>> IMCA #1081 >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle > .......................................................... > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. Click here. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Sun Aug 23 21:59:47 2009 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:59:47 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Photographic Catalog of Antarctic Meteorites on Amazon Message-ID: <28FC8CC76AC449068CF97D591015D1DA@Bandli1> (http://www.amazon.com/Photographic-catalog-antarctic-meteorites-represented /dp/B0000EH2HW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1251077962&sr=1-3) Someone might want to jump on this. (Not mine) I've seen this book go for $1000 a couple years ago. In my opinion, is well worth the $399. One of the best Photographic Catalogs ever made. Cheers, Mike Bandli From paul at meteorite.com Sun Aug 23 22:48:07 2009 From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:48:07 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Requesting Beta Testers for New ebay Page on meteorite.com Message-ID: <4A91FF66.9070005@meteorite.com> Hello Everyone, The wife and kids were out of town this weekend so I completed an ebay project I've been working on for a while. This new ebay page is not linked from meteorite.com yet as I'm in the beta test phase. The link is easy to remember as all you have to do is add /ebay after www.meteorite.com http://www.meteorite.com/ebay/ I would very much appreciate if some of you would kick the tires of this new page. Quite a while ago there was some good constructive comments made about our original page and I've tried to build this new page to address everything mentioned and more. If you like the page and wish to be added please reply back with your full name and ebay account name. The only requirement is that you be in good standings with the members of the meteorite-list and the IMCA. You do not have to be a member of the IMCA but if you were a IMCA member and your membership was revoked then you are not eligible. Most everything on the page should be easy to understand. One thing I will mention is the "ebay Sellers last update" time stamp. Part of the code I wrote polls the listed sellers to see how many auctions they are currently running. The time stamp represents the last time this routine was run. Therefore the number of listings I show may be off from the true number by about a 15 to 30 minute time span. Hope you like the new ebay page and find it useful. Paul http://www.meteorite.com/ebay/ From meteoritemike at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 23:32:33 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:32:33 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Requesting Beta Testers for New ebay Page on meteorite.com In-Reply-To: <4A91FF66.9070005@meteorite.com> References: <4A91FF66.9070005@meteorite.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul! Wow, it looks awesome! :) It's very handy and from a few minutes of clicking around, I think it's an excellent portal. I'll definitely bookmark it when it's ready. :) I also like the ability to check all of the various international eBay auctions. Well done. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/23/09, Paul Harris wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > The wife and kids were out of town this weekend so I completed an ebay > project I've been working on for a while. > > This new ebay page is not linked from meteorite.com yet as I'm in the > beta test phase. The link is easy to remember as all you have to do is > add /ebay after www.meteorite.com > http://www.meteorite.com/ebay/ > > I would very much appreciate if some of you would kick the tires of this > new page. Quite a while ago there was some good constructive comments > made about our original page and I've tried to build this new page to > address everything mentioned and more. > > If you like the page and wish to be added please reply back with your > full name and ebay account name. The only requirement is that you be in > good standings with the members of the meteorite-list and the IMCA. You > do not have to be a member of the IMCA but if you were a IMCA member and > your membership was revoked then you are not eligible. > > Most everything on the page should be easy to understand. One thing I > will mention is the "ebay Sellers last update" time stamp. Part of the > code I wrote polls the listed sellers to see how many auctions they are > currently running. The time stamp represents the last time this routine > was run. Therefore the number of listings I show may be off from the > true number by about a 15 to 30 minute time span. > > Hope you like the new ebay page and find it useful. > > Paul > http://www.meteorite.com/ebay/ > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From John at Cabassi.net Sun Aug 23 23:56:42 2009 From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:56:42 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] A few odd questions on The Meteorite Men In-Reply-To: <017801ca2203$54c2cfa0$6401a8c0@EdDeckertMain> Message-ID: <001201ca246e$e494a5f0$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2> G'Day List Been trying to catch up. This was really funny. Thanks MikeG. We all need a little bit of humor sometimes. I thought I'd add a visual to your comment. http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr215/olivine_01/sajn.jpg Cheers John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Carl 's" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A few odd questions on The Meteorite Men Steve and Geoff would be rolling around wheat fields in wheelchairs by then. ;) LOL Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG Ha ha! That was a good one, Mike. But I believe that you are a lot closer to the truth than you believe. I'd bet that Steve will have a fusion powered wheelchair with all-terrain tires, and be pulling a big, honking metal detector behind him out in the strewnfield! Not only that, he will likely tote along a state of the art, fusion powered, remote controlled backhoe with him as well (with Geoff insisting that Steve use his solar powered hand shovel instead!) ;-) Ed E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.13090 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From carothersdl at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 23:40:29 2009 From: carothersdl at gmail.com (dave carothers) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:40:29 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Requesting Beta Testers for New ebay Page onmeteorite.com References: <4A91FF66.9070005@meteorite.com> Message-ID: <827457D960E442FE85A0D5CAD685AF72@your291etg47cr> Paul, Great work!!!! This page is much needed as a means of pointing people to reputable eBay sellers of meteorites. It will at least cull out some of the undesireable sellers. Regards, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Harris" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Requesting Beta Testers for New ebay Page onmeteorite.com > Hello Everyone, > > The wife and kids were out of town this weekend so I completed an ebay > project I've been working on for a while. > > This new ebay page is not linked from meteorite.com yet as I'm in the beta > test phase. The link is easy to remember as all you have to do is add > /ebay after www.meteorite.com > http://www.meteorite.com/ebay/ > > I would very much appreciate if some of you would kick the tires of this > new page. Quite a while ago there was some good constructive comments > made about our original page and I've tried to build this new page to > address everything mentioned and more. > > If you like the page and wish to be added please reply back with your full > name and ebay account name. The only requirement is that you be in good > standings with the members of the meteorite-list and the IMCA. You do not > have to be a member of the IMCA but if you were a IMCA member and your > membership was revoked then you are not eligible. > > Most everything on the page should be easy to understand. One thing I will > mention is the "ebay Sellers last update" time stamp. Part of the code I > wrote polls the listed sellers to see how many auctions they are currently > running. The time stamp represents the last time this routine was run. > Therefore the number of listings I show may be off from the true number by > about a 15 to 30 minute time span. > > Hope you like the new ebay page and find it useful. > > Paul > http://www.meteorite.com/ebay/ > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From tricottetcoll at live.com Mon Aug 24 03:14:03 2009 From: tricottetcoll at live.com (The Tricottet Collection) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:14:03 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about Park Forest impact sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to Mike Farmer, I learned that Navarro and Winslow St. are two distinct impact sites. I thought that information would interest some of you. Cheers, ArnaudM > From: tricottetcoll at live.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:41:32 +0000 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about Park Forest impact sites > > > Hi everybody, > > Does anyone know if the Winslow St. impact and the Navarro impact correspond to the same Park Forest impact site? > There is not so much information available around. > > Here is a link to the Navarro house impact story: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap030506.html > > As for Winslow street, I just know that there was at least an impact at the front of the house. > > Any more details? > > Thanks > ArnaudM > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 From mlblood at cox.net Mon Aug 24 03:42:50 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:42:50 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] odd questions on The Meteorite Men In-Reply-To: <001201ca246e$e494a5f0$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2> Message-ID: I am dying to hear what Proud Tom might make of The Meteorite Men.... Should be hysterical. I know Steve and Geoff both have great Senses of humor and would enjoy a good lampoon of themselves. Proud Tom, WHERE ARE YOU???? Best wishes, Michael On 8/23/09 8:56 PM, "John.L.Cabassi" wrote: > G'Day List > Been trying to catch up. This was really funny. Thanks MikeG. We all > need a little bit of humor sometimes. I thought I'd add a visual to your > comment. > > http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr215/olivine_01/sajn.jpg > > Cheers > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" > To: "Carl 's" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A few odd questions on The Meteorite Men > > > Steve and Geoff would be rolling around wheat fields in wheelchairs by > then. ;) LOL > > Best regards and happy huntings, > > MikeG > > > Ha ha! That was a good one, Mike. But I believe that you are a lot > closer > to the truth than you believe. > > I'd bet that Steve will have a fusion powered wheelchair with > all-terrain > tires, and be pulling a big, honking metal detector behind him out in > the > strewnfield! > > Not only that, he will likely tote along a state of the art, fusion > powered, > remote controlled backhoe with him as well (with Geoff insisting that > Steve > use his solar powered hand shovel instead!) > > ;-) > > Ed > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.13090 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk Mon Aug 24 06:37:00 2009 From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:37:00 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars Message-ID: Dear Sterling and everyone Thanks for the information on libel law both here and the USA. Just to complicate things further, within the UK there are differences between English Law and Scottish Law (Scotland retains a separate legal system) though the differences are small. Actually my daughter is currently studying law at University, I should have asked her first! I will certainly not be leaving the list, though I often despair of the acrimony and viciousness. Wishing everyone a great day. Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.davidson at nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: Sterling K. Webb [mailto:sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net] Sent: 20 August 2009 22:44 To: Peter Davidson; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars Peter Davidson said: > like the UK, I am sure that the laws of libel in the US... The Laws of Libel in the U.S. and the U.K. are as unlike as any laws bearing a similar name could be. U.K. Libel Law is a unique construction of the very concept of Libel as it is conceived of in the U.S and much of the rest of the world. Some would say U.K. Libel Law is an unique perversion of the concept. All despite the fact that U.S. and U.K. grow from the same root stock. However, I cannot explain why in an email sent to the U.K. for fear of U.K. Libel Law. Neither can I state that a U.K. chiropractor cannot cure you of leukemia by twiddling with your vertebrae. I can't speak on that issue -- sorry. It was recently ruled in the U.K. that defamatory postings on a message board (and presumably, a mailing list like this) are slander, not libel, akin to casual conversation in a bar, much less likely to be actionable. http://www.urban75.org/info/libel.html One could conceivably defend one's self by the evidence that many on this board were intoxicated by eating quantities of extraterrestrial matter, for example. Worth a try. It does sound at times like the posters are three sails to the wind. More of the wonders of U.K. Libel Law: http://www.citmedialaw.org/blog/2009/warning-uk-libel-law-may-be-hazardo us-your-health http://www.thelegalweek.merseyblogs.co.uk/2008/10/blog_uk_libel_law_v_fr eedom_of.html\ http://www.englishpen.org/aboutenglishpen/campaigns/reformingthelibellaw s/ and quickly, before the Law Lords shut down the Internet: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/aug/31/news.politicsandthemedi a As for the appearance -- got to be careful not to libel anybody here -- that "some of us are allowing our passions to get in the way of our reasoning"? It will take more any Libel Law to stop that. Just sit back and enjoy it. Order another Martian Cocktail. Sterling K. Webb ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Davidson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars > Richard and Other > > Like you, I am a relative newcomer to this list. Like you in the short > time I have been a member, I have been shocked at some of the language > and accusations being flung around. I can already hear some list > members > saying, "Well! If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen". > Nevertheless, like the UK, I am sure that the laws of libel in the US > apply to e-mail as well as other forms of written communication. I > know > that everyone on the list is passionate about meteorites, otherwise > why > are we here, but some of us are allowing our passions to get in the > way > of our reasoning. We are all grown-ups, so let's act like them. > > Peter Davidson > Curator of Minerals > Department of Natural Sciences > National Museums Scotland > National Museums Collection Centre > 242 West Granton Road > EDINBURGH > EH5 1JA > Scotland > Tel: 00 44 131 247 4283 > E-mail: p.davidson at nms.ac.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Kowalski > Sent: 19 August 2009 19:25 > To: meteorite list > Subject: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars > > I hope that this email doesn't offend anyone. I mention two particular > people who I won't name, but for the most part I am speaking in > general. > > I've been on this list for several months now. I joined for all the > reasons people usually join a mailing list; To make contacts with > others > that have similar interests to learn from these other people, and > hopefully to eventually contribute something of substance to the > group. > > For the first week or so after I joined the list, I started learning > the > players, and learning a bit more about meteorites. After about a week, > someone posted a message about some material they had to offer. > Another > person asked what it was and whoo classified it. The first person > answered the questions. Simple, clear and exactly as one would expect. > Both were reasonable and courteous to the other. As a new collector > who > knew only a few people in the field, this interaction was exactly what > I > wanted to see. > > Since the meteorite market is so "thin" and a lot of it is based on > "faith", faith that what is being offered is exactly what is being > represented. It is important to me that the people I interact with, > and > purchase from, act professionally at all times. I have to have faith > in > this person. I have to trust them. This goes for the full time dealer > as > well as the "vest pocket" dealer who sells to improve his or her > personal collection... > > I have purchased from both of these people, one of them has provided > me > with a large percentage of my collection purchases since then. I won't > hesitate buying from either one... > > Having a good reputation is important to me. Being professional is > too. > > What shocked me, as a new member was how many other people jumped in, > making wild accusations, going off on tangents, much of which was not > even remotely related to the original post, the question, or the > reply. > It was an eye opening event for me. A number of people who sell lost > any > chance to get my business. > > Since then there have been multiple flare ups, which has further > reduced > the pool of sellers I will do business with. Those I have lost faith > in; > Those who I can't trust. > > I wonder how many people lurk on this list and pay close attention to > who acts like a professional at all times and who does not. I have no > doubt there are others like me who will not do business with anyone > who > does not present a professional demeanor most or all of the time. (We > all have our moments) > > Of course people who don't sell don't really care about this, but that > shouldn't be an excuse. The Golden Rule should apply... > > Some of the people on this list are also on the list I have run for > over > a decade, the Minor Planet Mailing List. That list has over 1200 > subscribers and has a great mix of both professional and amateur > astronomers with the common interest in asteroids and comets. I run > the > list with a very light hand. Scientific discussion and debate are > welcome and encouraged, but one of the things that will get you > moderated or banned is personal attacks. > > One of the worst things that can happen to any mailing list is > unbridled > flames wars. I recently read here that this list was filled with > scientists in the field of meteoritics, but now most have gone. > Apparently previous flames caused them to leave. Thats a sad comment. > > I am in no way telling this list's owner how to run the list, but we > have found that this policy works extremely well on MPML. > > Those who do make personal attacks rarely contribute anything of > substance to the list, so losing them is not much of a loss... > > Please keep the great information coming. It is what makes being a > member of this list worth while. > > Please reconsider your posts before hitting the send button if there > is > no useful information in your message... > > Sorry for the length of this email. > Thanks for letting me comment. > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Free Fringe music. Celebrate Homecoming at the National Museum of > Scotland 8-30 August. www.nms.ac.uk/music > > National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 > > This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are > not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from > your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are > those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National > Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act > 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is > accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by > this message. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Free Fringe music. Celebrate Homecoming at the National Museum of Scotland 8-30 August. www.nms.ac.uk/music National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. From eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon Aug 24 07:21:12 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:21:12 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Found in UK? Come on guys! Message-ID: <4A9277A8.7050707@meteoritesusa.com> Kinda old news, but... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207865/Boy-6-goes-collect-eggs-hens--finds-meteorite.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6063717/Six-year-old-boy-finds-meteorite-in-his-garden.html http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/121748/Boy-finds-space-rock-in-garden http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/08/20/Boy-finds-meteorite-while-egg-collecting/UPI-84691250803569/ Anyone else know anything about this "stone"? When is the press going to verify and confirm before publishing? Do they ever do that any more? Whatever happened to the boy who supposedly got hit by the 30,000 MPH meteorite? Embarrass the press by reporting on their inefficient and obvious poor research and worse reporting. Write scathing articles yourself damning the press for shoddy research and demand retractions and accurate information be posted. Post it all over the web! Someone please inform, educate and liberate them from their own ignorance Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorite USA From eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon Aug 24 07:42:34 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:42:34 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted Message-ID: <4A927CAA.6090502@meteoritesusa.com> Hi Listees, On a lighter and much more important note... "...Some leading astronomers are quite confident that mankind will make contact with intelligent alien life within two decades..." http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/08/humans-predicted-to-make-contact-with-an-extraterrestrial-civilization-within-two-decadesa-galaxy-cl.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-524673/Humans-make-contact-aliens-decades-say-astronomers.html I have a couple questions I've not really seen asked on this list in the two years I've been a member. Though I suspect it's probably because most believe it's not meteoritic. It does have a relationship to meteoritics simply because of the direction the science is headed. No I'm not talking Panspermia (though I'm not convinced that's not possible) I'd like to pose the questions anyway because I think they are directly related to meteorites and WHY we study meteorites. Who here believes in aliens? (sorry had to do it) lol Seriously... Who here believes that sometime in the near future we will discover, or be discovered by another life form? Now the next question... Assuming that we do find life out there in the next couple decades. Do you believe that extraterrestrial life will be intelligent or non sentient microbial lifeform? Carbon based or some other unknown form of life? Hope I didn't open a can of worms here... Naaa, Let's open that can and feast on the innards! It truly is related to meteorites... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com www.Spacifieds.com From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 24 08:10:25 2009 From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 05:10:25 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted Message-ID: Eric, It's 5:00 in the morning. Couldn't you wait until the afternoon to talk about aliens? :D Carl _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk Mon Aug 24 09:16:45 2009 From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:16:45 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out Message-ID: Martin I agree with all you say. The enjoyment of the majority of the list members should not be spoiled by the inappropriate behaviour of a few large egos. We are all seeking to benefit from a shared knowledge and love of meteorites. Yet, it would seem unnecessarily dictatorial to seek to muzzle or eject one or two people. They do have a right to air their opinions, no matter how distasteful they may be. I can appreciate that given the volume of traffic on the list, that it would be a very onerous task to moderate the list, but if there was a moderator it might deter a few people form making the sort of vicious, derogatory remarks that seem to be appearing more and more frequently. After all, as we see in politics, once a politician gets the media's attention, they will seek at every turn to maintain themselves in the public's eye, no matter what they say. Starving them of the oxygen of publicity is better than outright censorship. But you are right, Martin, we are all here for meteorites. Let's be grown-up about it. Cheers Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.davidson at nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: 21 August 2009 14:46 To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out Hi all, I don't know. I read tons of postings, how horrible and how ugly this meteorite list is, endless criticism and complaints. Don't you see, what we all do have with this list? Doesn't that never-ebbing well of top information outweigh by far the permanent misbehaviour of three, four people? If you find a dog dropping in front of your house, are you calling the national guard? Will you move then and burn your house or will you ask to eradicate all canines? Take a shovel, it's annoying, I know, and remove it. In my eyes it's more than exaggerate to put the whole list into question, because a handful of people doesn't know how to behave or play the mentally challenged ones. Yes, I know. Simplest thing would be to remove the two or three notorious ones and everything would be fine again. No warning wouldn't be necessary, such characterless people like Steve Arnold Chicago are destroying the list since years now, and I'm sure, that Art was asked a hundred times to remove them, but he decided to be a phantom and that is his decision, which we have to accept. You can't compare the meteorite list to a moderated forum. It is a mailing list. And most liked it like it is or was. And all in all it worked fine. To ask Art to moderate the list, that would be really to much. It's great enough, that he set up this list and that he gives us a place to discuss. So let's stay well grounded and talk rather about rocks from space. My opinion, only. Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Galactic Stone & Ironworks Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 05:08 An: Walter Branch Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out Hi Fred, Walter and List, I second what Walter said. I always have a Cloudy Nights tab open in my browser - it's my second home. The atmosphere there is the standard by which I judge other forums, lists, and groups. That family-friendly, on-topic atmosphere is maintained by a dedicated staff in all time zones around the world - so it would be hard to duplicate that success here on this particular list. Truth be told, I would have been moderated on CN for some of the things I have said here on this List in the past - something I am not proud of. I try to behave here just as well as I do there - the only big difference is that vendors are more tightly controlled on CN to maintain impartiality in the world of astronomy equipment reviews - that site's primary focus. Meteorite is but a small (but growing) subset of the CN community. Cloudy Nights is responsible, in part, for guiding me into the world of astronomy and then meteorites. I wonder how many other CN members we have lurking on this List? Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/19/09, Walter Branch wrote: > Hello Fred, > > I can honestly say that Cloudy Nights is my number one favorite site on the > web. It is a model for others to follow. The members, moderators and > administrators members are a great bunch of folks and if you are an amateur > astronomer, you really need to be a Cloudy Nights member. > > In fact, it is open in another window right now! > > -Walter Branch > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Bieler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:43 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out > > > One of the things my telescope business, Astronomics, allows me to do is own > the astronomy oriented forum at www.cloudynights.com. This is the largest, > and we believe the friendliest, astronomical forum site on the internet and > the official world-wide forums of the 2009 International Year of Astronomy. > We have over 33,000 registered users (some of whom are list members here). > When I checked a few minutes ago, we had 368 registered users online in the > middle of the day and a substantial number of anonymous users. > > Granted, Cloudy Nights has a lot of volunteer moderators who monitor the > various fora full time and keep things civil, which is not something that > can be done here because of the small size of the meteorite community, but > there are a few things that might be worth considering. > > The basic Cloudy Nights Terms of Service are as follow: > "Simply put, the following behavior is expected from users: > * Play Nice > * Share > * Be Polite > * Be Honest > * Respect other members & the administrators and moderators who are working > to keep this board a useful resource. > Above all, do unto others as you would have them do unto you." > > If you want to see the full Cloudy Nights Terms of Service, here's a link: > http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/233117/page > /0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1. > > If a Cloudy Nights user violates the TOS, the moderators can give the user a > warning strike and delete objectionable posts or portions of the post with > the concurrence of the other moderators. Next violation, another warning and > a second strike. Third strike, and it's like baseball, you're out (at least > for a while to give you time to cool off). > > The moderators vote to give the user a three-day timeout (where the user > can't post to the fora or reply to fora comments for three days). After a > three-day timeout, continued violations of the TOS result in another timeout > of three days or longer, while violations after multiple timeouts leading to > bans up to and including one for life. The moderators and administrators > invariably have extended discussions about the penalties out of view of the > general users before deciding on any of these steps. > > While it is unlikely that this meteorite forum has enough members to allow > it to become a fully moderated forum like Cloudy Nights, Art might find it > worthwhile to consider applying the CN three strikes rule himself when it > comes to the flame wars and other uncivil emails that sometimes seem to far > outnumber the useful emails. When large numbers of list members complain > about the flame wars and the other members' failure to play nice, and some > leave the forum for good because all they find is post after post kvetching > and beating a dead horse, it might be time for the owner to apply a little > gentle pressure on the offending members in an effort to retain the members > who are being offended, rather than let them drift away. I'd rather lose a > few bad apples than have them put the entire orchard at risk. > > Fred Bieler > Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights > www.astronomics.com > 800.422.7876 > > > > Fred Bieler > Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Better View Desired > www.astronomics.com > 800.422.7876 > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. 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If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk Mon Aug 24 09:30:43 2009 From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:30:43 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update Message-ID: Mike Actually can we just skip the meteorite hunting and the chocolate and concentrate on the case of Trappist Beer. I think if I could drink enough of that 12% strength nectar, I could just about see anything I want. Cheers Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.davidson at nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike Bandli Sent: 21 August 2009 16:27 To: 'drtanuki'; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update Belgian fireball? There is nothing I would want more than to stand in line at the Westvletren Monastery for a case of the Abt 12 Trappist Ale, and to have some fine chocolate, and to hunt meteorites all at the same time... this would be heaven and those of you lucky enough to taste the Abt 12 know that this is the same beer that is consumed by the gods. Cheers, Mike Bandli -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of drtanuki Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 7:37 AM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update Dear List, Major update on the Belgian bolide of 15AUG09: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Thank you Vincent from Belgium!! Dirk Ross...Tokyo ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Free Fringe music. Celebrate Homecoming at the National Museum of Scotland 8-30 August. www.nms.ac.uk/music National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk Mon Aug 24 09:37:50 2009 From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:37:50 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? Message-ID: Hej Thomas After a few drops of a good Islay Malt, I can just about pronounce words from any language. Or so it seems! In Scotland we also have problems with the pronunciation of Gaelic words used in place names over the northern part of our country. Even some of my favourite whiskies present a few difficulties: Laphroaig Bunnahabhein Bruichladdich Any takers? Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.davidson at nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Thomas ?sterberg Sent: 21 August 2009 17:40 To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? Hi Richard, Muonionalusta is pronounced quite close to it's spelling with some focus on the first part "Muon". Anyway, since I'm Swedish I also find it quite difficult to pronounce this Finnish word (very much an exercise for your lips and tongue). Perhaps, a good idea would be to take place in a comfortable chair and do some home practice in the pronunciation, after having some 2 - 3 drams of a nice Scottish malt Whisky. For this particular purpose I can warmly recommend Highland Park 18 Year ;-) Happy hunting! Thomas ?sterberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kowalski" To: "meteorite list" Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? >I just got a beautiful slice of Muonionalusta and am curious about how to >pronoun the name properly. > > I'm guess at least four different ways, but I'm hoping someone can tell > me. > > One guess is > > Meew unyun a lust a > > a second > > Moo unyun a loost a > > wit the other two variations of those. > > Anyone? > > Thanks > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Free Fringe music. Celebrate Homecoming at the National Museum of Scotland 8-30 August. www.nms.ac.uk/music National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. From eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon Aug 24 10:47:57 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:47:57 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Feedback Wanted! Message-ID: <4A92A81D.6090300@meteoritesusa.com> Ok guys, I've been up all night working on Spacifieds.com doing some modifications to make it even better for everyone. Many meteorite dealers have already posted lots of ads and I'd like to thank all you guys that have participated so far. Please, those of you who haven't seen the site yet should really take a look at all the great meteorites that have been posted. All I can say is AWESOME! Also, I want you all to really look hard at the site. Don't be afraid to tell me what you would change, what you like, and/or what you dislike. If you find a problem I need to know about it so I can fix it. If there's a feature that you think would be a good addition be sure to suggest it. ALL feedback is appreciated! Now for the meat of it. I've made some minor and major additions and modifications including: * Featured Listings Capability - All ads are still FREE for any category, however you now have the ability to post Featured Ads for a low fee! These display at the TOP of search pages and the main home page of the site. * Large AD Page Image Display - First image uploaded becomes your main ad page image at 300 pixels wide on your ad listing page. * Larger Main Page Image Thumbnails - Displays larger image thumbnails on main category and search pages. (equates to more traffic for your ads) * Added a Blogroll - For those of you who don't know what a Blogroll is, it's a sidebar section with links to other related sites. Kind of a built in link directory. I've added some links already, but if you want your link on the Blogroll, let me know and I'll add you for free. Under one condition of course, you have to post some ads! Just one is good, 10 is better, and if you feel frisky, 20 or more would be sufficient enough to get very nice placement on the link list. ;) *** Added a Terms & Conditions Page: http://www.spacifieds.com/terms/ This is also very important. If you can think of something that needs to be added or deleted from the terms, I'm listening. That's pretty much most of the modifications I've made. Check it out, and don't be afraid to tell me what you think, publicly or privately. I really appreciate all the response so far. And keep in mind, this in NOT an AD for my site. This is an announcement for a site where ALL YOU GUYS & GALS can post your items for sale or trade for free. Ebay fees suck, we all know that, but we use it because we don't have a choice. Now you have a choice. Use it! Thanks in advance for the feedback. Now go post! http://www.spacifieds.com Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA 904-236-5394 From raremeteorites at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 11:17:07 2009 From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Great Material Endiing At Auction! Message-ID: <634713.89866.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear List Members, I have several great auctions due to end this afternoon and tomorrow so take a look if you are interested in some rarities and bargains. All of these items are definitely worth a look. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, ------------------------------------ Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteorites at yahoo.com From cynapse at charter.net Mon Aug 24 12:09:04 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:09:04 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Met List Flame Wars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:37:00 +0100, you wrote: >Thanks for the information on libel law both here and the USA. Just to >complicate things further, within the UK there are differences between >English Law and Scottish Law (Scotland retains a separate legal system) Yes, you must be careful what you say in Scotlant-- it can get you kilt. From dak_mar at live.concordia.ca Mon Aug 24 11:39:20 2009 From: dak_mar at live.concordia.ca (DEBORAH ANNE K. MARTIN) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:39:20 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <4A927CAA.6090502@meteoritesusa.com> References: <4A927CAA.6090502@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <36270F4FD6A54547A19A06C178A7BA010960C95F@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com> If they are truly intelligent, they won't talk to us ! Andre Bordeleau ________________________________________ From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] on behalf of Meteorites USA [eric at meteoritesusa.com] Sent: August 24, 2009 7:42 AM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted Hi Listees, On a lighter and much more important note... "...Some leading astronomers are quite confident that mankind will make contact with intelligent alien life within two decades..." Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com www.Spacifieds.com From prairiecactus at rtcol.com Mon Aug 24 12:17:30 2009 From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com (Phil Whitmer) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:17:30 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted Message-ID: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1> Eric: It's my belief that We Are Alone! There's nobody out there. Life and intelligence is a singularity, a miracle, call it what you will, it only happened once, here on good old Planet Earth. We are the Seed that will spread throughout the Universe by Space Migration. It's our manifest destiny and a matter of survival. Nobody knows how or why it happened, it just did. It was either God or chance, take your pick. There are those who claim otherwise, but they have yet to provide even the thinnest shred of evidence. Those who make extraordinary claims must provide some extraordinary evidence to back it up. And they never do! Not one person abducted by ETs has ever grabbed an alien cellphone or anything else to prove they were aboard an intergalactic space ship. The argument for aliens goes something like this: "Well there's billions and billions of galaxies, one of them has to harbor life. It just has to! You know, a billion monkeys typing for a billion years, and one of them writes a Shakespearean Sonnet or the Book of Genesis, whatever. I think they will just type gibberish for eternity. Life doesn't just pop up all over the place. It can never be created in the laboratory. It's impossible to make live stuff out of dead stuff! (Except for that one time.) This argument puts a lot of faith in Chance and the Laws of Probability. Might as well say Yahweh or Brahma did it. Evolution guided by chance and probability, how is that any different from chaos and total randomness? And why do the aliens always appear in trailer parks and never at Houston Control, NAU, or the JPL? Now if I could see one bit of hard evidence, I would change my mind in a minute. Just my dos pesos, Phil Whitmer From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 12:38:23 2009 From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <36270F4FD6A54547A19A06C178A7BA010960C95F@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <35053.19738.qm@web46411.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I would have to agree. I do think aliens exist, but if they are able to travel to us, they are so far advanced, we are not much more to them then ants infesting this planet. If we do come across aliens or another intelligent race, I think it will most likely be machine/robot with AI and not a "flesh and blood" being. Any alien life will most certainly be a great deal more advanced then we are and will know to stay away from us due to how we are as a species. Just my 2 pennies. Greg C. --- On Mon, 8/24/09, DEBORAH ANNE K. MARTIN wrote: > From: DEBORAH ANNE K. MARTIN > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted > To: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 11:39 AM > If they are truly intelligent, they > won't talk to us ! > > Andre Bordeleau > ________________________________________ > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] > on behalf of Meteorites USA [eric at meteoritesusa.com] > Sent: August 24, 2009 7:42 AM > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted > > Hi Listees, > > On a lighter and much more important note... > > "...Some leading astronomers are quite confident that > mankind will make > contact with intelligent alien life within two decades..." > > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA > www.meteoritesusa.com > www.Spacifieds.com > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr Mon Aug 24 12:23:24 2009 From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:23:24 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <423D4D95C3C74629AD2F74E0CD11A7F0@thinkcentre> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> <000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <000b01ca2387$70e95f20$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <19838218EC254E2B9E9BB78D3E1CC7D9@thinkcentre> <000d01ca238c$bd3744f0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <423D4D95C3C74629AD2F74E0CD11A7F0@thinkcentre> Message-ID: <200908241613.n7OGDlnK026860@smtpmul.univ-mulhouse.fr> Hi all, After about one week of silent mail, here I can restart reading the (very various) posts that arrived (including some on meteorites though....) Regarding the surrealistic topic on "holes in stone meteorites" and, by extension, the funny debate on "holes on Earth", I am surprised that Martin did not mention the famous theories (and pictures!) of the "Hollow Earth" Browsing through Google (or alike) provides you, with that keyword, hundreds of links, some truly exotic...although...who knows ? See for example here: http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollowearth.html Or here: http://www.xenophilia.com/zb0008d.htm#pe In this latter site all the links are interesting. See for example remarks about terrestrial antipodes on another page of that link: http://www.xenophilia.com/zb0008h.htm This being, there is still so much to be said on holes. I have jokes on that (in mind) and also a recipe (for Matthias) on how to handle and send (meteorite) holes by air mail! But to stay short, let me just end by an apparent paradox: You decide to buy cheese with holes (e.g. Emmenthal) The more cheese (you get), the more holes But also: the more holes, the less cheese! Think....smile and stay happy! Zelimir At 11:12 23/08/2009, Matthias B?rmann wrote: >No, Martin, no, I wanna believe! > > > >Well I see, I'd have to look for a dealer who could offer me a meteorite >with hole on Ebay, withdraw the meteorite and so expertedly isolate the hole >and ship it to me separately - a pure essential hole, so to say, a >nothing-else-than-a-hole. As this hole would be customable, the hole, sorry, >the whole problem would be solved perfectly: > > > >I'd join our experts from the German custom authorities! They are >grandmasters of definition and they finally would reveal the mystery of the >hole (perhaps evoking an even more mysterious mystery). > > > >Be sure: there would be a howl around the hole close to Ulm. > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin >Altmann" >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:57 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > >Matthias, > >I beg your pardon. That there would be "holes" in the universe is an even >more gigantic hoax than the Moon-landing. > > >Each child knows, that there can't be a vacuum or a "nothing" between the >spheres of the stars. > >Here judge by your own. > >A pretended "black hole" in space: >http://kuerzer.de/blackhole > >and compare: >http://kuerzer.de/holehoaxproof > > >Ooops, we forgot to answer Steve's question: No. > >Off to bed for today, >Martin > >And never forget: >"just gotta help me keep the devil >way down in the hole" > > > > >-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] >Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 02:34 >An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > >Well, the author of the question said it frankly: "I have never seen one >[hole] from space.Any comments?????????" > >Ahm, yes. Holes from/through space - must be wormholes >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole Holes, made by worms. It's only a >question of penetration. In any case: n o t from this world. My opinion. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin >Altmann" >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:19 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > >I suppose Steve follows the path of holism. > >Therefore his event horizon is determined solely by the hole itself. > >And the only question, he's interested in, is whether the hole is >terrestrial or not from this World. > > > >-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Pete Pete [mailto:rsvp321 at hotmail.com] >Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 02:01 >An: altmann at meteorite-martin.de; meteoritelist meteoritelist >Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > > > >Are we talking about just the holes, or the rock around the holes, too? > > > >---------------------------------------- >>From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de >>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:21:13 +0200 >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >> >>Thank you Matthias, >> >>indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to >make >>it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the >>scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to >>hunt his own hole. >>I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. >>First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. >>I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged >>during shipping. >>I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. >>Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a >>piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. >>All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. >> >>So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: >>"Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >>Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] >>Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 >>An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >> >>Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one >>indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit >>daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a >>freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Martin Altmann" >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >> >> >>>I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago >> >>Me too. >> >>http://kuerzer.de/terresthole >> >> >>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >>Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve >>arnold >>Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 >>An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >> >>Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was >>wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has >>there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I >found >>a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from >>space.Any comments????????? >>Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! >> >> >> >> >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >_________________________________________________________________ >More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it >simple. >http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357= > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Universit? de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 From mike.hankey at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 12:44:42 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:44:42 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1> References: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: Phil, I'm sure you saw this article a few months ago: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/4629672/AAAS-One-hundred-billion-trillion-planets-where-alien-life-could-flourish.html Mike Hankey http://www.mikesastrophotos.com On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Phil Whitmer wrote: > Eric: > > It's my belief that We Are Alone! ?There's nobody out there. ?Life and > intelligence is a singularity, a miracle, call it what you will, it only > happened once, here on good old Planet Earth. We are the Seed that will > spread throughout the Universe by Space Migration. ?It's our manifest > destiny and a matter of survival. ?Nobody knows how or why it happened, it > just did. It was either God or chance, take your pick. ?There are those who > claim otherwise, but they have yet to provide even the thinnest shred of > evidence. ?Those who make extraordinary claims must provide some > extraordinary evidence to back it up. ?And they never do! Not one person > abducted by ETs has ever grabbed ?an alien cellphone or anything else to > prove they were aboard an intergalactic space ship. > > The argument for aliens goes something like this: "Well there's billions and > billions of galaxies, one of them has to harbor life. It just has to! You > know, ? a billion monkeys typing for a billion years, and one of them writes > a Shakespearean Sonnet or the Book of Genesis, whatever. I think they will > just type gibberish for eternity. Life doesn't just pop up all over the > place. It can never be created in the laboratory. It's impossible to make > live stuff out of dead stuff! (Except for that one time.) > > This argument puts a lot of faith in Chance and the Laws of Probability. > Might as well say Yahweh or Brahma did it. ?Evolution guided by chance and > probability, how is that any different from chaos and total randomness? > > And why do the aliens always appear in trailer parks and never at Houston > Control, NAU, ?or the JPL? > > Now if I could see one bit of hard evidence, I would change my mind in a > minute. > > Just my dos pesos, > > Phil Whitmer > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From aknoefel at minorplanets.de Mon Aug 24 12:33:39 2009 From: aknoefel at minorplanets.de (=?iso-8859-1?q?=41=6e=64=72=e9=20=4b=6e=f6=66=65=6c?=) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:33:39 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? Message-ID: <200908241633.n7OGXdnT005665@post.webmailer.de> Hi Peter, Ardbeg Uigeadail is also not so easy to pronounce... but has a unique taste... ;-) Sl?inte Mhath! Andr? ----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? Gesendet: Mo, 24. Aug 2009 Von: Peter Davidson > Hej Thomas > > After a few drops of a good Islay Malt, I can just about pronounce words > from any language. Or so it seems! > > In Scotland we also have problems with the pronunciation of Gaelic words > used in place names over the northern part of our country. Even some of my > favourite whiskies present a few difficulties: > > Laphroaig > Bunnahabhein > Bruichladdich > > Any takers? > > Peter Davidson > Curator of Minerals > > National Museums Collection Centre > National Museums Scotland > 242 West Granton Road > Edinburgh > EH5 1JA > Phone: +44 131 247 4283 > p.davidson at nms.ac.uk > www.nms.ac.uk > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Thomas > ?sterberg > Sent: 21 August 2009 17:40 > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? > > Hi Richard, > > > > Muonionalusta is pronounced quite close to it's spelling with some focus on > > the first part "Muon". > > > > Anyway, since I'm Swedish I also find it quite difficult to pronounce this > Finnish word (very much an exercise for your lips and tongue). > > > > Perhaps, a good idea would be to take place in a comfortable chair and do > some home practice in the pronunciation, after having some 2 - 3 drams of a > > nice Scottish malt Whisky. For this particular purpose I can warmly > recommend Highland Park 18 Year ;-) > > > > Happy hunting! > > > > Thomas ?sterberg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Kowalski" > To: "meteorite list" > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:35 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you pronounce Muonionalusta? > > > >I just got a beautiful slice of Muonionalusta and am curious about how to > >pronoun the name properly. > > > > I'm guess at least four different ways, but I'm hoping someone can tell > > me. > > > > One guess is > > > > Meew unyun a lust a > > > > a second > > > > Moo unyun a loost a > > > > wit the other two variations of those. > > > > Anyone? > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > Richard Kowalski > > http://fullmoonphotography.net > > IMCA #1081 > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Free Fringe music. Celebrate Homecoming at the National Museum of Scotland > 8-30 August. www.nms.ac.uk/music > > National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 > > This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the > addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the > author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. > This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of > Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that > may be caused to your systems or data by this message. > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > --- original Nachricht Ende ---- From rhoward06 at cox.net Mon Aug 24 12:28:48 2009 From: rhoward06 at cox.net (rhoward06 at cox.net) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:28:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Please take me off all corrosponce mailings. Thank you very much. Sincerely, Rob Howard, E-mail as listed above. Message-ID: <20090824122849.FHULM.65754.imail@eastrmwml40> From hodgjt at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 13:15:43 2009 From: hodgjt at yahoo.com (jeff hodges) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] (add) Original Paintings and Reproductions of my thin section photograpgy... Message-ID: <574588.75543.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am excited to announce that original Paintings and reproductions of my thin section photography by an extraordinary artist are now available. Up to 48"x48" in size. Both of us will be wondering around the Denver Show this year with samples of our work to share with all that are interested. Several original paintings will also be hung in various locations around the show. Please contact me offlist if interested in more information. The following link will take you directly to the Art section of my website: http://www.meteoritethinsectiongallery.com/Prints.html Thank you and enjoy the pretty colors, Jeff Hodges and Michael Cranford From majbaermann at web.de Mon Aug 24 13:25:52 2009 From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:25:52 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <008801ca2376$86bdcfe0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <81D3394BAC194A8BA0DFA429F33DB303@thinkcentre> <000401ca237f$3e68e140$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <000b01ca2387$70e95f20$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <19838218EC254E2B9E9BB78D3E1CC7D9@thinkcentre> <000d01ca238c$bd3744f0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> <423D4D95C3C74629AD2F74E0CD11A7F0@thinkcentre> <200908241613.n7OGDlnK026860@smtpmul.univ-mulhouse.fr> Message-ID: <1FCC5D20EE514AD08E39FD25A07C3035@thinkcentre> Well, here we go ... http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/mystery-themen/2009/08/alien-baby/ausserirdischer-in-mexico-gefangen.html (sorry, in German only - "Mexico - Alien baby caught in a trap") Maybe they are already under us, maybe their boss even on this list, scientifically testing the borders of human tolerance. Looking forward to receiving the hole alsacien, Zelimir, via Air Mail ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zelimir Gabelica" To: "Matthias B?rmann" ; "Martin Altmann" ; Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Hi all, After about one week of silent mail, here I can restart reading the (very various) posts that arrived (including some on meteorites though....) Regarding the surrealistic topic on "holes in stone meteorites" and, by extension, the funny debate on "holes on Earth", I am surprised that Martin did not mention the famous theories (and pictures!) of the "Hollow Earth" Browsing through Google (or alike) provides you, with that keyword, hundreds of links, some truly exotic...although...who knows ? See for example here: http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hollowearth.html Or here: http://www.xenophilia.com/zb0008d.htm#pe In this latter site all the links are interesting. See for example remarks about terrestrial antipodes on another page of that link: http://www.xenophilia.com/zb0008h.htm This being, there is still so much to be said on holes. I have jokes on that (in mind) and also a recipe (for Matthias) on how to handle and send (meteorite) holes by air mail! But to stay short, let me just end by an apparent paradox: You decide to buy cheese with holes (e.g. Emmenthal) The more cheese (you get), the more holes But also: the more holes, the less cheese! Think....smile and stay happy! Zelimir At 11:12 23/08/2009, Matthias B?rmann wrote: >No, Martin, no, I wanna believe! > > > >Well I see, I'd have to look for a dealer who could offer me a meteorite >with hole on Ebay, withdraw the meteorite and so expertedly isolate the >hole >and ship it to me separately - a pure essential hole, so to say, a >nothing-else-than-a-hole. As this hole would be customable, the hole, >sorry, >the whole problem would be solved perfectly: > > > >I'd join our experts from the German custom authorities! They are >grandmasters of definition and they finally would reveal the mystery of the >hole (perhaps evoking an even more mysterious mystery). > > > >Be sure: there would be a howl around the hole close to Ulm. > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" > >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:57 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > >Matthias, > >I beg your pardon. That there would be "holes" in the universe is an even >more gigantic hoax than the Moon-landing. > > >Each child knows, that there can't be a vacuum or a "nothing" between the >spheres of the stars. > >Here judge by your own. > >A pretended "black hole" in space: >http://kuerzer.de/blackhole > >and compare: >http://kuerzer.de/holehoaxproof > > >Ooops, we forgot to answer Steve's question: No. > >Off to bed for today, >Martin > >And never forget: >"just gotta help me keep the devil >way down in the hole" > > > > >-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] >Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 02:34 >An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > >Well, the author of the question said it frankly: "I have never seen one >[hole] from space.Any comments?????????" > >Ahm, yes. Holes from/through space - must be wormholes >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole Holes, made by worms. It's only a >question of penetration. In any case: n o t from this world. My opinion. > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Altmann" > >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:19 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > >I suppose Steve follows the path of holism. > >Therefore his event horizon is determined solely by the hole itself. > >And the only question, he's interested in, is whether the hole is >terrestrial or not from this World. > > > >-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Pete Pete [mailto:rsvp321 at hotmail.com] >Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 02:01 >An: altmann at meteorite-martin.de; meteoritelist meteoritelist >Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > > > >Are we talking about just the holes, or the rock around the holes, too? > > > >---------------------------------------- >>From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de >>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:21:13 +0200 >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >> >>Thank you Matthias, >> >>indeed it is the largest hole I ever found. I hope it was no mistake to >make >>it public. The geographic coordinates I will publish as soon as the >>scientific work will have been done, for everyone having a fair chance to >>hunt his own hole. >>I plan, after classification is done, to slice the hole down. >>First 2500 people to chime in, will get a parthole for free. >>I'm only not sure yet, how to wrap them, for the holes not getting damaged >>during shipping. >>I will keep you update hourly about the distribution of the freeholes. >>Furthermore I offer to any university, high school and rest home etc. a >>piece of hole for free for scientific studies and educational purposes. >>All others already can pre-order on a moderate price-per-gram-rate. >> >>So don't hesitate, as a famous hole said once: >>"Holes are like money in the bank, money in the bank!!" >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >>Von: majbaermann at web.de [mailto:majbaermann at web.de] >>Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. August 2009 00:46 >>An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >> >>Wow, Martin, I saw holes in different things - but this is a great one >>indeed. Void, nothing else. Leeding to nothing. Impressing. But a bit >>daemonic, no? If you'd be willing to part with it, I'd accept it as a >>freehole. And I'd sing your praise in eternity. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Martin Altmann" >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:18 AM >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >> >> >>>I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago >> >>Me too. >> >>http://kuerzer.de/terresthole >> >> >>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >>Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve >>arnold >>Gesendet: Samstag, 22. August 2009 20:16 >>An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>Betreff: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >> >>Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was >>wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has >>there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I >found >>a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from >>space.Any comments????????? >>Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! >> >> >> >> >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >_________________________________________________________________ >More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it >simple. >http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357= > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Universit? de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 From nightsky55 at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 14:27:55 2009 From: nightsky55 at gmail.com (Bob King) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:27:55 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1> References: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: <99c1e91a0908241127r68431265jabfcb835b98c91a2@mail.gmail.com> Hi Phil and friends, Absence of evidence doesn't imply evidence of absence. While I tend to be skeptical about such things, I think bacteria-like creatures might be fairly common in the galaxy. Evolution would cause them to diversity and perhaps find the same pathway to multicelluarity like life on Earth did so long ago. Once you've got a multicellular organism, the sky's the limit. In time larger life forms would thrive, each adapted to and very intelligent in its particular environment. Whether or not they get to making spaceships, I think the odds are much smaller but not zero. It took life on this planet over 3 billion years to create a spacefaring species. If we could have seen the earliest life forms as they wriggled among the rocks, who would have guessed we'd be where we are today? So I think it's possible there are intelligent, space-roaming species out there, just not a lot of them. Bob On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Phil Whitmer wrote: > Eric: > > It's my belief that We Are Alone! ?There's nobody out there. ?Life and > intelligence is a singularity, a miracle, call it what you will, it only > happened once, here on good old Planet Earth. We are the Seed that will > spread throughout the Universe by Space Migration. ?It's our manifest > destiny and a matter of survival. ?Nobody knows how or why it happened, it > just did. It was either God or chance, take your pick. ?There are those who > claim otherwise, but they have yet to provide even the thinnest shred of > evidence. ?Those who make extraordinary claims must provide some > extraordinary evidence to back it up. ?And they never do! Not one person > abducted by ETs has ever grabbed ?an alien cellphone or anything else to > prove they were aboard an intergalactic space ship. > > The argument for aliens goes something like this: "Well there's billions and > billions of galaxies, one of them has to harbor life. It just has to! You > know, ? a billion monkeys typing for a billion years, and one of them writes > a Shakespearean Sonnet or the Book of Genesis, whatever. I think they will > just type gibberish for eternity. Life doesn't just pop up all over the > place. It can never be created in the laboratory. It's impossible to make > live stuff out of dead stuff! (Except for that one time.) > > This argument puts a lot of faith in Chance and the Laws of Probability. > Might as well say Yahweh or Brahma did it. ?Evolution guided by chance and > probability, how is that any different from chaos and total randomness? > > And why do the aliens always appear in trailer parks and never at Houston > Control, NAU, ?or the JPL? > > Now if I could see one bit of hard evidence, I would change my mind in a > minute. > > Just my dos pesos, > > Phil Whitmer > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Mon Aug 24 14:55:56 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:55:56 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve: If you look on ebay and look for a MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> Dhofar 700 Rare Vesiculated Diogenite Meteorite 45g Rare Specimen With Vesicles And 2 Tunnels!I guess you could say it's documented since there is a picture of it.Pretty cool specimen. Greg S. ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:15:50 -0700 > From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites > > Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron meteorites,but has there ever been any documented evidence of holes in stone meteorites?I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years ago,but I have never seen one from space.Any comments????????? > Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 From gmhupe at htn.net Mon Aug 24 15:01:49 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:01:49 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver Mineral Show Dates Message-ID: Hello List Members, Can anyone (Denver List Members) please post the Denver Mineral Show dates and events like the COMETS dinner and auction? I looked up the show dates online but would like to confirm it here through the List members in the know. I hope to make it this year. Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 14:47:08 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] nwa 1109 eucrite Message-ID: <711587.92091.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Good afternoon list.I am looking for a slice of nwa 1109 eucrite.In the 20 to 50 gram range.Off list please. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From fujmon at mac.com Mon Aug 24 15:08:20 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:08:20 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0EB75369-564D-40BD-B27C-2F291CCC561F@mac.com> Holy Toledo! Here's a specimen of Dho700: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30562289&id=1394318075 gary On Aug 24, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: > > Steve: > > If you look on ebay and look for a MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, > div.MsoNormal > {mso-style-parent:""; > margin:0in; > margin-bottom:.0001pt; > mso-pagination:widow-orphan; > font-size:12.0pt; > font-family:"Times New Roman"; > mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} > @page Section1 > {size:8.5in 11.0in; > margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; > mso-header-margin:.5in; > mso-footer-margin:.5in; > mso-paper-source:0;} > div.Section1 > {page:Section1;} > --> > > > Dhofar 700 Rare Vesiculated Diogenite Meteorite 45g > > Rare Specimen With Vesicles And 2 Tunnels!I guess you could say it's > documented since there is a picture of it.Pretty cool specimen. > > Greg S. > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:15:50 -0700 >> From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >> >> Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was >> wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron >> meteorites,but has there ever been any documented evidence of holes >> in stone meteorites?I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years >> ago,but I have never seen one from space.Any comments????????? >> Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From cojack at tiscali.it Mon Aug 24 15:03:08 2009 From: cojack at tiscali.it (Francesco Moser) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:03:08 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] asteroids model Message-ID: <52D4F6AF13BE4E049E8B9901C833F7E4@fisso> Hello! I want to buy a couple of asteroids models. I found this web-site and I like their products: http://www.someoddsandends.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3_7&zenid=486bf2e20b100da04870e7e21f918586 But maybe there is something better or cheaper...so... does someone knows if there are some other factory that produce something like that?? Thanks a lot! <>X<>X<>X<>X<> Francesco Moser IMCA #1510 From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Mon Aug 24 15:28:38 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:28:38 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] asteroids model In-Reply-To: <52D4F6AF13BE4E049E8B9901C833F7E4@fisso> References: <52D4F6AF13BE4E049E8B9901C833F7E4@fisso> Message-ID: <004201ca24f1$1933e4b0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Hi Francesco, I think they're fairly cheap. Even cheaper than those, which Rhett Bourland brought out for the first time years ago. But the base looks different, looks rather like a wooden or plastic stand? Those from Rhett had a base of stone. Anyone knowing, what Rhett is doing today? Best! martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Francesco Moser Gesendet: Montag, 24. August 2009 21:03 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] asteroids model Hello! I want to buy a couple of asteroids models. I found this web-site and I like their products: http://www.someoddsandends.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3_7&zenid=486 bf2e20b100da04870e7e21f918586 But maybe there is something better or cheaper...so... does someone knows if there are some other factory that produce something like that?? Thanks a lot! <>X<>X<>X<>X<> Francesco Moser IMCA #1510 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From Impactika at aol.com Mon Aug 24 15:45:38 2009 From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:45:38 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver Mineral Show Dates Message-ID: In a message dated 8/24/2009 1:02:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, gmhupe at htn.net writes: Hello List Members, Can anyone (Denver List Members) please post the Denver Mineral Show dates and events like the COMETS dinner and auction? I looked up the show dates online but would like to confirm it here through the List members in the know. I hope to make it this year. Best regards, Greg ------------------------------------------------- Glad you asked. The Denver Show is from Wednesday Sept. 16 to Sunday Sept. 20. Go to Martin Zinn's site: _www.MZExpos.com_ (http://www.MZExpos.com) for details. As for the Comets, this year there will only one event a Get-Together for the Whole Meteorite World on Friday Sept. 18, in Fred Olsen's warehouse (same place than last year). There will be food, beer, wines, and a much smaller auction. Keep an eye on the COMETS website, there should be a page with all the details, map, etc, up any day now.: _http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/_ (http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/) And I'll put a link to it on my site as soon as it 9is up. See you all here in just a few weeks. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ IMPACTIKA at aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ From epgrondine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 15:55:28 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien contact predicted Message-ID: <710107.3490.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all - A long way from meteorites, but not so far from impactors. If they ever set up a NEO detecting radar on the Moon, then the same facility could be used to pick up the equivalent of "I Love Lucy" reruns from a galaxy far, far away. I think that the ratings will be phenomenal. Well, that's it - my joke for the month. E.P. From fujmon at mac.com Mon Aug 24 16:10:08 2009 From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:10:08 -1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <0EB75369-564D-40BD-B27C-2F291CCC561F@mac.com> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <0EB75369-564D-40BD-B27C-2F291CCC561F@mac.com> Message-ID: <6007D8D5-6BE1-41E8-BD98-A9B7E51C6366@mac.com> Okay, sorry if anyone had trouble viewing that image. I put it up on my AstroDay site for everyone to see (I hope) Holy Toledo!: http://astroday.net/images/_Dho700.jpg gary On Aug 24, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Gary Fujihara wrote: > Holy Toledo! Here's a specimen of Dho700: > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30562289&id=1394318075 > > gary > > On Aug 24, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: > >> >> Steve: >> >> If you look on ebay and look for a MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, >> div.MsoNormal >> {mso-style-parent:""; >> margin:0in; >> margin-bottom:.0001pt; >> mso-pagination:widow-orphan; >> font-size:12.0pt; >> font-family:"Times New Roman"; >> mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} >> @page Section1 >> {size:8.5in 11.0in; >> margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; >> mso-header-margin:.5in; >> mso-footer-margin:.5in; >> mso-paper-source:0;} >> div.Section1 >> {page:Section1;} >> --> >> >> >> Dhofar 700 Rare Vesiculated Diogenite Meteorite 45g >> >> Rare Specimen With Vesicles And 2 Tunnels!I guess you could say >> it's documented since there is a picture of it.Pretty cool specimen. >> >> Greg S. >> >> ---------------------------------------- >>> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:15:50 -0700 >>> From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com >>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >>> >>> Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I >>> was wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron >>> meteorites,but has there ever been any documented evidence of >>> holes in stone meteorites?I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 >>> years ago,but I have never seen one from space.Any comments????????? >>> Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. >> http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > Gary Fujihara > AstroDay Institute > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com > http://astroday.net > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com http://astroday.net From gmhupe at htn.net Mon Aug 24 16:12:09 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:12:09 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver Mineral Show Dates References: Message-ID: <2674A3776C0C4B89B6DD8139732C5A5B@Gregor> Hi Anne, Thank you very much for the info, much appreciated. I hope to see you and others there! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Denver Mineral Show Dates > In a message dated 8/24/2009 1:02:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > gmhupe at htn.net writes: > Hello List Members, > > Can anyone (Denver List Members) please post the Denver Mineral Show dates > and events like the COMETS dinner and auction? I looked up the show dates > online but would like to confirm it here through the List members in the > know. I hope to make it this year. > > Best regards, > Greg > ------------------------------------------------- > > Glad you asked. > The Denver Show is from Wednesday Sept. 16 to Sunday Sept. 20. > Go to Martin Zinn's site: _www.MZExpos.com_ (http://www.MZExpos.com) > for > details. > > As for the Comets, > this year there will only one event a Get-Together for the Whole Meteorite > World on Friday Sept. 18, in Fred Olsen's warehouse (same place than last > year). There will be food, beer, wines, and a much smaller auction. > > Keep an eye on the COMETS website, there should be a page with all the > details, map, etc, up any day now.: _http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/_ > (http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/) > > And I'll put a link to it on my site as soon as it 9is up. > See you all here in just a few weeks. > > Anne M. Black > http://www.impactika.com/ > IMPACTIKA at aol.com > Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. > http://www.imca.cc/ > From daniel_wray at comcast.net Mon Aug 24 16:10:13 2009 From: daniel_wray at comcast.net (Dan Wray) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:10:13 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver Mineral Show Dates References: Message-ID: Hi Greg and all, The Denver show at the Mart is 18-20 of September. The hotels kick off on the 16th but we all know that a lot of dealers are in their rooms by the beginning of the week. The COMETS will be hosting our auction on Friday night at the usual spot behind Dave Bunk's Warehouse. We are changing our format this year. We are combining our two nights into one. The auction will be smaller with a silent auction at the beginning of the evening combined with more food and lots of socializing. The regular auction will be held starting at 9pm and will be limited to 30 pieces. Get your auction materials to Anne Black prior to the beginning of the silent auction. We felt like the auction ran too late and what people really wanted to do was socialize. We hope that this format appeals to everyone and you will join us for a great evening of people and meteorites. Dan Wray COMETS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Hupe" To: Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:01 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver Mineral Show Dates > Hello List Members, > > Can anyone (Denver List Members) please post the Denver Mineral Show dates > and events like the COMETS dinner and auction? I looked up the show dates > online but would like to confirm it here through the List members in the > know. I hope to make it this year. > > Best regards, > Greg > > ==================== > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmhupe at htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ==================== > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From epgrondine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 17:00:30 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] SETS: The Search for Extra-terrestrial Stupidity Message-ID: <432936.65437.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all - Given the lack of intelligent life here on Earth, what are the chances of finding it elsewhere? Every habitable planet will lie in an accretion disk, and thus be subjected to extinction level cometary impact. Now consider carefully NASA and other space agencies response to this fact. As further disincentive, I've seen it said that without the Moon, the Earth would not have plate tectonics: in other words, there would be water on top of rock underneath. And without a mixed environment intelligent life would not evolve. (Though I'm not too sure about octopuses, but even so, would they really become space faring? Would they really develop radio?) Finally, considering the total transmissions from the Earth, someone elsewhere would be far more likely to be watching Lucy, Desi, Fred and Ethel, if they picked up anything at all. Would anyone like to apologize to Hibben now? E.P. Grondine Man and Impct in the Americas From drtanuki at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 17:11:24 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] SETS: The Search for Extra-terrestrial Stupidity In-Reply-To: <432936.65437.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <715766.14199.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Ed and List Ed wrote, " Would anyone like to apologize to Hibben now?" Read this and my answer is still , "NO"! Philanthropists' shady pasts sully college bequests Posted on: Monday, 1 December 2003, 06:00 CST ""IT SHOULD have been the culmination of a sparkling redesign for New Mexico University's campus: the Hibben Center for Archaeological Studies. Built with a pounds 3.5 million gift from Frank Hibben, a renowned American archaeologist, the institute was created to give a flourish to its plans to become a leading research centre. Then officials discovered an uncomfortable fact. Hibben, who died last year, may have done striking research on ancient Americans, but he was better known among colleagues for his decades-long habit of forging results. As archaeologist Vance Haynes told the journal Nature : 'He thought that it didn't hurt to make the evidence a little better.' For example, in 1946 he described a site at Chitna Bay in Alaska at which he claimed to have found 10,000-year-old flints. Subsequent expeditions revealed that the site simply did not exist. Today, faking archaeological evidence is known as hibbenising. 'Some think Hibben's work is all faked,' archaeologist Bruce Huckell said. 'Others think we don't have enough information to know.' Either way, the naming of the new centre after a scientific twister is a blow for a university seeking academic excellence. Neither is the problem is confined to New Mexico. An investigation by Nature magazine has revealed that as more and more US universities look to private donors to help them, increasing numbers of benefactors are turning out to have shaky pasts. Take Seton Hall University in South Orange, New Jersey. Thankful for his donations, the university named a recreation building after local businessman Robert Brennan. Last year workers had to scrape his name from the building following Brennan's conviction for fraud. Or consider the case of land magnate Kemper Marley. His family made a $6m contribution to Arizona University so that its agricultural science department could be named in his honour. But Marley is also known as the reputed mastermind of the 1976 murder of Don Bolles, an investigative reporter. Many university academics still refuse to enter the building. These examples are causing increasing unrest among academics both in America and in Europe, and in particular Britain, where pressure is mounting on universities to raise increasing amounts of money from private benefactors. Where will it end, they ask? 'There is a touching moment at the end of the film The Shawshank Redemption when the prison's library is named after inmate Brooks Hatlen,' said one academic. 'They were lucky. At least, they knew in advance that their candidate was a crook."" --- On Tue, 8/25/09, E.P. Grondine wrote: > From: E.P. Grondine > Subject: [meteorite-list] SETS: The Search for Extra-terrestrial Stupidity > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 6:00 AM > Hi all - > > Given the lack of intelligent life here on Earth, what are > the chances of finding it elsewhere? > > Every habitable planet will lie in an accretion disk, and > thus be subjected to extinction level cometary impact. > > Now consider carefully NASA and other space agencies > response to this fact. > > As further disincentive, I've seen it said that without the > Moon, the Earth would not have plate tectonics: in other > words, there would be water on top of rock underneath. And > without a mixed environment intelligent life would not > evolve. (Though I'm not too sure about octopuses, but even > so, would they really become space faring? Would they really > develop radio?) > > Finally, considering the total transmissions from the > Earth, someone elsewhere would be far more likely to be > watching Lucy, Desi, Fred and Ethel, if they picked up > anything at all. > > Would anyone like to apologize to Hibben now? > > E.P. Grondine > Man and Impct in the Americas > > > > > ? ? ? > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From bandk at chorus.net Mon Aug 24 17:10:04 2009 From: bandk at chorus.net (Becky and Kirk) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:10:04 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted References: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: <89CFE5009EE64CA7A705A70D018CE795@owner55652f88b> That is just hogwash in my opinion---the Drake Equation proves that life MUST exist elsewhere. Even the SETI scientists agree that LIFE is probably abundant! Absence of Evidence is NOT Evidence of Absence!! Kirk...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Whitmer" To: Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted > Eric: > > It's my belief that We Are Alone! There's nobody out there. Life and > intelligence is a singularity, a miracle, call it what you will, it only > happened once, here on good old Planet Earth. We are the Seed that will > spread throughout the Universe by Space Migration. It's our manifest > destiny and a matter of survival. Nobody knows how or why it happened, it > just did. It was either God or chance, take your pick. There are those > who claim otherwise, but they have yet to provide even the thinnest shred > of evidence. Those who make extraordinary claims must provide some > extraordinary evidence to back it up. And they never do! Not one person > abducted by ETs has ever grabbed an alien cellphone or anything else to > prove they were aboard an intergalactic space ship. > > The argument for aliens goes something like this: "Well there's billions > and billions of galaxies, one of them has to harbor life. It just has to! > You know, a billion monkeys typing for a billion years, and one of them > writes a Shakespearean Sonnet or the Book of Genesis, whatever. I think > they will just type gibberish for eternity. Life doesn't just pop up all > over the place. It can never be created in the laboratory. It's impossible > to make live stuff out of dead stuff! (Except for that one time.) > > This argument puts a lot of faith in Chance and the Laws of Probability. > Might as well say Yahweh or Brahma did it. Evolution guided by chance and > probability, how is that any different from chaos and total randomness? > > And why do the aliens always appear in trailer parks and never at Houston > Control, NAU, or the JPL? > > Now if I could see one bit of hard evidence, I would change my mind in a > minute. > > Just my dos pesos, > > Phil Whitmer > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From epgrondine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 18:00:24 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] SETS: The Search for Extra-terrestrial Stupidity In-Reply-To: <715766.14199.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <468322.92913.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Dirk- I see that the slander continues. Hibben underwent most vicious attack while incapacitated by a brain injury suffered in World War 2. Between his pre-clovis work, and his observation of the remains at Fairbanks, he got creamed. Ed --- On Mon, 8/24/09, drtanuki wrote: > Ed wrote, " Would anyone like to apologize to Hibben now?" > > Read this and my answer is still , "NO"! > > Philanthropists' shady pasts sully college bequests > > Posted on: Monday, 1 December 2003, 06:00 CST > > ""IT SHOULD have been the culmination of a sparkling > redesign for New Mexico University's campus: the Hibben > Center for Archaeological Studies. Built with a pounds 3.5 > million gift from Frank Hibben, a renowned American > archaeologist, the institute was created to give a flourish > to its plans to become a leading research centre. > > Then officials discovered an uncomfortable fact. Hibben, > who died last year, may have done striking research on > ancient Americans, but he was better known among colleagues > for his decades-long habit of forging results. As > archaeologist Vance Haynes told the journal Nature : 'He > thought that it didn't hurt to make the evidence a little > better.' > > For example, in 1946 he described a site at Chitna Bay in > Alaska at which he claimed to have found 10,000-year-old > flints. Subsequent expeditions revealed that the site simply > did not exist. Today, faking archaeological evidence is > known as hibbenising. 'Some think Hibben's work is all > faked,' archaeologist Bruce Huckell said. 'Others think we > don't have enough information to know.' > > Either way, the naming of the new centre after a scientific > twister is a blow for a university seeking academic > excellence. From drtanuki at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 18:36:30 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] SETS: The Search for Extra-terrestrial Stupidity- changed to Hibben by EPG Message-ID: <164826.83778.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ed, ? Your arguments always overlook hard evidence, ... "For example, in 1946 he described a site at Chitna Bay in Alaska at which he claimed to have found 10,000-year-old flints. Subsequent expeditions revealed that the site simply did not exist. Today, faking archaeological evidence is known as hibbenising. 'Some think Hibben's work is all faked,' archaeologist Bruce Huckell said. 'Others think we don't have enough information to know."? ? Alaska Mucks again were another of Hibbin`s muck work. ? Hibbins is also infamous for his faked data at Sandia Cave.? ? Did you not study archaeology in university? Dr. E.A. Morris (her father was Dr. Earl Morris, the Father of SW Archaeology, a contemporary of Hibben) was my major professor and advisor; who was your`s? ? Hibbin`s work is given in most introductory archaeology classes, Paleo-Indian and all Southwestern Archaeology classes as a classic way NOT to conduct archaeology.? If you are ignorant of archaeology pick up an introductory book on Archaeology in the US or search the internet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Hibben "The primary source of the controversies was Hibben's claim to have found a deposit with pre-Clovis artifacts (including projectile points, which he termed "Sandia points") in Sandia Cave (in the Sandia Mountains near Albuquerque, New Mexico). Hibben believed the layers to be about 25,000 years old, much older than the Paleo-Indian cultures previously documented in the U.S. Southwest. The layers also included the bones of Pleistocene species such as camels, mastodons, and horses.[5] The 25,000 year age for the "Sandia Man" deposits was a best guess based on the strata in the cave, and was later called into question, in part through radiocarbon dating. Also, research notes by Wesley Bliss (who had excavated in the cave in 1936) and others indicate that animal burrowing led to a mixing of deposits. The notion of a "Sandia Man" occupation of the U.S. Southwest is no longer accepted by professional archaeologists, but that in itself is not the source of controversy. Instead, some researchers believe that artifacts were "salted" (fraudulently placed) in the cave deposits to support the notion of the "Sandia Man" occupation. Those who believe that fraud was committed often suspect Hibben of being involved in the fraud.[6] [7] [8] The evidence is inconclusive, however, and Hibben maintained his innocence in the matter until his death. In 1946, Hibben described a visit to Chinitna Bay on the west side of Cook Inlet in Alaska, where he claimed to find a projectile point matching those of the Folsom people who lived on the High Plains and adjacent regions 10,000 years ago. The claim of an Alaska Folsom-like occupation did not hold up, and added to the controversies surrounding his work." ? His "slander" as you call it, came from HIS peers and students of his time and from seeing and participating in fieldwork with him. ? While you are revising history? on bad science take a look at Margaret Mead`s anthropology record as well. ? Best of luck in revising history for your own devices Ed.? Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Tue, 8/25/09, E.P. Grondine wrote: > From: E.P. Grondine > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SETS: The Search for Extra-terrestrial Stupidity > To: "drtanuki" > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 7:00 AM > Hi Dirk- > > I see that the slander continues. Hibben underwent most > vicious attack while incapacitated by a brain injury > suffered in World War 2. Between his pre-clovis work, and > his observation of the remains at Fairbanks, he got > creamed. > > Ed > > --- On Mon, 8/24/09, drtanuki > wrote: > > > Ed wrote, " Would anyone like to apologize to Hibben > now?" > > > > Read this and my answer is still , "NO"! > > > > Philanthropists' shady pasts sully college bequests > > > > Posted on: Monday, 1 December 2003, 06:00 CST > > > > ""IT SHOULD have been the culmination of a sparkling > > redesign for New Mexico University's campus: the > Hibben > > Center for Archaeological Studies. Built with a pounds > 3.5 > > million gift from Frank Hibben, a renowned American > > archaeologist, the institute was created to give a > flourish > > to its plans to become a leading research centre. > > > > Then officials discovered an uncomfortable fact. > Hibben, > > who died last year, may have done striking research > on > > ancient Americans, but he was better known among > colleagues > > for his decades-long habit of forging results. As > > archaeologist Vance Haynes told the journal Nature : > 'He > > thought that it didn't hurt to make the evidence a > little > > better.' > > > > For example, in 1946 he described a site at Chitna Bay > in > > Alaska at which he claimed to have found > 10,000-year-old > > flints. Subsequent expeditions revealed that the site > simply > > did not exist. Today, faking archaeological evidence > is > > known as hibbenising. 'Some think Hibben's work is > all > > faked,' archaeologist Bruce Huckell said. 'Others > think we > > don't have enough information to know.' > > > > Either way, the naming of the new centre after a > scientific > > twister is a blow for a university seeking academic > > excellence. > > > > ? ? ? > From cynapse at charter.net Mon Aug 24 20:00:08 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:00:08 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1> References: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: <739695hf3jutg0mu4hfgpogt8tflv2po6h@4ax.com> On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:17:30 -0400, you wrote: >destiny and a matter of survival. Nobody knows how or why it happened, it >just did. It was either God or chance, take your pick. This is what is known as a false dichotomy. There is at least one more option than "god" or "chance"-- that some types of molecules or systems of molecules have the ability to make copies of themselves. That is a unquestionable fact-we call those systems of molecules "life." The question is, how unlikely is it that the first molecules capable of copying themselves - AT ANY DEGREE OF CRUDENESS-would form? Even the crudest degree of copyability opens a molecule up to the selective forces of natural selection-out of the variety of copied molecules, some will be better able to reproduce themselves than others. The building block molecules from which organisms are formed are common as dirt in the universe, present in comets, meteorites, vast interstellar clouds-everywhere. So we know that the raw materials of life are very common. And we know that life exists here. So the key question is, how often are conditions met where the molecules can, out of the trillions on trillions of interactions in an abiotic environment, combine to form molecules capable of providing a template for their own replication? My gut feeling is that-- in a very, very, very large universe, where it is every day becoming more obvious that planets are very common byproducts of stellar formation-there are millions, billions, trillions of planets with at least some type of life. And since there was a selective advantage for nucleated cells and multicellularity to evolve on Earth, I see no reason to think that a big chunk of life-bearing planets haven't done the same. >Might as well say Yahweh or Brahma did it. Evolution guided by chance and >probability, how is that any different from chaos and total randomness? Evolution is not guided by chance. Genetic mutations are random. Evolution is guided by natural selection, differential reproductive success. Natural selection and probability are the opposite of chance and randomness. From damoclid at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 18:55:27 2009 From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Must See Meteorite Collections - Version 1 Message-ID: <669117.74373.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have uploaded the first iteration of the Google Earth file at: http://fullmoonphotography.net/images/Meteorites/Public_Meteorite_Collections_v1.kmz or http://tinyurl.com/m3u3qv I included most of those that were suggested, but a few I couldn't find. I did include the Denver Museum of Nature & Science along with the Colorado School of Mining Museum. Also included is the museum at Meteor Crater, the two locations where Nininger's American Meteorite Museum were located and the UA Mineral Museum at Flandrau here in Tucson. Please take a look at it and let me know if: I have any misplaced Any LARGE public collections that were missed. There are any that I should remove because there are few if any meteorites on display. (Denver Museum of Nature & Science comes to mind) I'd also like to know if I included any collections that cannot be viewed by the public by mistake. I might as well request your suggestions on smaller public collections that you thought were worth the time and effort to view, so this file can have more complete coverage. Please let me know if the collection you are submitting is large or small. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 From cynapse at charter.net Mon Aug 24 20:11:50 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:11:50 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <4A927CAA.6090502@meteoritesusa.com> References: <4A927CAA.6090502@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:42:34 -0700, you wrote: >Who here believes that sometime in the near future we will discover, or >be discovered by another life form? Utterly unknowable. Let's rephrase the question in a more Earthbound way. What are the chances that, in the near future, you and I will run into each other on the street? To make a reasonable prediction about that, you would have to know how far I live from you, know how often I travel and to where, know what I look like, etc. You know none of those things, so you have no way whatsoever to make any sort of meaningful prediction-even within orders of magnitude-- of the chances of you and I running into each other. We know nothing about where other intelligent species might be. We have no idea how or how fast they travel, if they are around and do travel. And we don't even know what communications from an alien would look like if we saw it-maybe aliens ARE beaming interstellar messages, but we either lack the technology to sense them or the knowledge to recognize them. It is an angels dancing on the head of a pin question. >Do you believe that extraterrestrial life will be intelligent or non >sentient microbial lifeform? Life on Earth for most of its history has been microscopic. I would bet finding germs is more likely than finding Germans (or space Sweeds, your choice.) > >Carbon based or some other unknown form of life? Carbon molecules are the most versatile and stable at temperatures in which Life As We Know It lives. Silicon based life would be much less likely (but possibly more likely at low temperatures.) Check out Peter Douglas Ward's book "Life As We Do Not Know It." From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Mon Aug 24 19:07:42 2009 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:07:42 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Bath, South Dakota Message-ID: Dear List: I have specimens of Bath, South Dakota available (Not to be confused with Bath Furnace, Kentucky, which many of you already have!). Bath will be 117 years old this week and is a gap to fill in many collections! You can view them here: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html Should you require a different size than what is listed, let me know, as I may be able to accommodate you. Best regards, Mike Bandli www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 From cynapse at charter.net Mon Aug 24 20:42:22 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:42:22 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Another new meteorite book In-Reply-To: <52D4F6AF13BE4E049E8B9901C833F7E4@fisso> References: <52D4F6AF13BE4E049E8B9901C833F7E4@fisso> Message-ID: <5qc695t1g0hvp1j4l10dcgvu34uii75gfn@4ax.com> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/156898815X/ From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 21:39:00 2009 From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] possible meteorite craters in Ville Platte, La Message-ID: <28573.96724.qm@web43403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello listees, I got a call last night from a Mr. Carroll Aguillar from Ville Platte, La. He told me that he has like 5 craters on his property, he said they have been there since he was a kid, he is now in his 60's. He said they are now filled in, but you can see where they were and the ground is still lowere in them. They range fro around 5 to 11 feet in diameter. He is wanting to know if there is anybody in the area or somewhere who would be interested in going to see them and try and figure out what they are. I suggested that they may be sink holes, but he is adiment that they are not. He is sure they were from meteorites, I am not 100% convinced, but I do think it may be worth checking out, it might be a good spot to hunt for meteorites. If I lived closer, I would check them out myself. If anybody is interested they can contact me and I will give his information to you. He wants somebody to contact him. Thanks, Joe Kerchner From eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon Aug 24 22:06:03 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:06:03 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: References: <4A927CAA.6090502@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <4A93470B.1020402@meteoritesusa.com> Thanks Darren for your response. Sorry in advance for the long email, but I couldn't stop typing... ;) The alien question is obviously meant to get some discussion going on this topic which I feel hasn't been discussed enough on-list. (but who am I) I think there are a few reasons why as it's relates so personally with some people belief systems. Of which I am respectful. The biggest question in life is where do we come from. The next biggest is why are we here? But those questions are vague and answers would be subjective and interpretive at best, based on people's personal and religious beliefs. Rather I would ask the question in simpler terms related more toward an opinion based inquiry. Though that opinion can be scientific and educational in nature. Having said that I have to disagree with your statement and would like to answer your question: "...What are the chances that, in the near future, you and I will run into each other on the street? ..." Pretty good actually. This is a small planet. We're in the same field of science, though maybe not directly related, there are certain locational environmental, and educational commonalities. Those are simply, Location - Earth, name North America and The United States to be specific. Don't know what state you're in, but it's not physically far. Environment - Land. We all and both live on land and our method of travel is common. Education - We're in the same field. Study of meteorites. Whether that be scientific or enthusiastic. Now the only things missing is a meeting place of sorts. It has to be somewhere that's of common interest to us both. Hmmm... Where could that possibly be? The chances of us passing each other on the street are VERY likely considering we both have a shared interest AND there is very good likelihood that you would be at an industry related show. The Tucson or Denver show perhaps. I'm assuming of course that you might go to the Tucson or Denver show. ;) Now a problem arises from this. I don't know what you look like. So technically speaking we "could" pass each other on the street, and I would not know you from the next guy. But if we could communicate, or I was looking for something that would make it clear it was you I could not only locate you, but communicate. This could be an argument against my own statements but I don't think it is, simply because, we don't know what aliens look like either. Therefore how would we know when we saw them. We could walk right by, and never know it. This view is also flawed in that it "assumes" extraterrestrial life may be intelligent. Which I would like to believe is possible. If alien life is intelligent, and has equal or greater technological advancement and capabilities, we would most likely assume that if they are carbon based and have the same understanding of the same physics, geology, and chemistry of our universe, maybe just maybe we might meet in the middle. It's a long shot but maybe not as long as we think. It's assuming lots of things. But I can tell you an unarguable fact. We exist. That simple fact when viewed from a perspective outside ourselves and our known universe, it's very easy to see that the question is not IF there is life out there. But that the chances that there is NOT intelligent life out there is so infinitesimally small as to be a non-issue. There are countless billions of stars (not unlike our Sun) in our Milky Way Galaxy alone. 100 billion or more according to some scientific estimates. I cannot fathom that large of a number. 1 billion is 999,999,999 plus 1 times 100 equates to 100 Billion stars! That's how many stars are thought to be in just ONE galaxy in our known universe. There are millions of galaxies out there. Our universe is bigger than we ever thought. My argument is two fold. That life exists here and we are but 1 small solar system in a galaxy that has hundreds of millions if not billions of solar systems. I don't have the mathematical skill necessary to figure the probabilities and the Drake equation is Greek to me. But I'm smart enough to figure out, that if we think we're the only intelligent life form in the universe, we are the most arrogant and ignorant aliens in the universe. My second point is that I don't NEED to know what you look like to know you exist. Your email to me is evidence of life. It's like a footprint in the sand. If you were traveling the universe, and found a footprint on a planet or moon we have never been to, would it not be safe to assume that is proof enough that there is in fact life. The question however wasn't just about evidence. It's about intelligent contact. We as human beings can see and hear, we know enough about the human body, and millions of other life forms to realize that carbon based lifeforms are most likely in our solar system, and quite possibly in other solar systems as well. The laws of physics says so. This is the commonality with our intelligent extraterrestrial counterparts. Knowledge... If the same laws of physics govern the entire universe then those same laws govern other life forms. We would most likely be looking in place that would be indicative of carbon based life forms first, then in environments such as Titan, or other cosmic bodies which we believe might harbor some other sort of life that might not be carbon based. Intelligent extraterrestrial life is they exist may just be as curious as we are. And if those same laws of nature govern them, then they will most likely know" the same things we know. Therefore they may start looking for life in the same places we might. Paths might cross... The point is I don't need to see, you, or know you, or even communicate to you to know you exist. We don't need to know how fast they travel, nor do we need to know their level of intelligence so much as we do what they actually and most probably know. If we look for life where we know life has the most chance to survive and grow, we'll most likely find it one day, and in the process we may meet up with our alien friends. The common place, common knowledge theory suggests (and assumes) alien life forms may just be looking for the same thing we are. We have to assume that, because of technological and philosophical reasonings. Logical knowledge states that if the right mix of chemicals, minerals, pressure, temperature, and time come together in the perfect combination, it's more likely that life could form. Then it only becomes a matter of numbers, commonalities, and knowledge. There's way too much out there for us to assume we're the only ones in this universe. If we assume we're the only intelligent life in the universe, that's akin to aus believing the Sun revolves around us. Oops... Wait a second... We already thought that didn't we? And in case you're wondering what this has to do with meteorites. It's directly related to them, because they can tell us about whats out there. It's the only thing on this planet that allows us to literally touch the outer reaches of our solar system with our bare hands. The knowledge gained from these rocks is priceless! Scientifically and intrinsically speaking. Meteorites are portals to the realm of cosmic knowledge that is our universe. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA Realm Of Cosmic Knowledge (TM) = ROCK! Now that's pretty cool... Every pun intended of course! ;) Darren Garrison wrote: > On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:42:34 -0700, you wrote: > > >> Who here believes that sometime in the near future we will discover, or >> be discovered by another life form? >> > > Utterly unknowable. > > Let's rephrase the question in a more Earthbound way. What are the chances > that, in the near future, you and I will run into each other on the street? To > make a reasonable prediction about that, you would have to know how far I live > from you, know how often I travel and to where, know what I look like, etc. You > know none of those things, so you have no way whatsoever to make any sort of > meaningful prediction-even within orders of magnitude-- of the chances of you > and I running into each other. We know nothing about where other intelligent > species might be. We have no idea how or how fast they travel, if they are > around and do travel. And we don't even know what communications from an alien > would look like if we saw it-maybe aliens ARE beaming interstellar messages, but > we either lack the technology to sense them or the knowledge to recognize them. > > It is an angels dancing on the head of a pin question. > > > > >> Do you believe that extraterrestrial life will be intelligent or non >> sentient microbial lifeform? >> > > Life on Earth for most of its history has been microscopic. I would bet finding > germs is more likely than finding Germans (or space Sweeds, your choice.) > > >> Carbon based or some other unknown form of life? >> > > Carbon molecules are the most versatile and stable at temperatures in which Life > As We Know It lives. Silicon based life would be much less likely (but possibly > more likely at low temperatures.) Check out Peter Douglas Ward's book "Life As > We Do Not Know It." > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From epgrondine at yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 22:33:14 2009 From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] SETS: The Search for Extra-terrestrial Stupidity- changed to Hibben by EPG In-Reply-To: <164826.83778.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <546689.88845.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dirk, all - While I am pretty stupid now, that was not always the case. "Hibben maintained his innocence until his death." Hibben had four misfortunes: 1) to have his observations used by Velikovsky 2) to find a pre-clovis site 3) to have a head wound 4) to be surrounded by jealous and petty "colleagues" "Best of luck in revising history for your own devices" Oh Really? Some people think that history is simply the stories we tell about ourselves, but I have always viewed it as more than that. The point of my survey "Man and Impact in the Americas" was to begin to establish the impact record for the Americas. No more, no less. I did it as well as I could, and quite frankly, if North American archaeologists were better at doing what they are supposed to be doing my task would have been far, far easier. Why even the major holocene start impacts were not reported until some 4 years after I finished my book. Kind of tough to deny them now, isn't it Dirk? Incidentally, impacts also provided a time lock for Native American oral histories, which provided a lock to the archaeological record. Result: "Mississippian", "Hopewell" and "Andaste" are all in there, but with their real names, and descriptions of their lives in their own words, those of their neighbors, or those of visitors. Result: the only reliable proto-history of the first peoples east of the Mississippi River and south of the Saint Lawrence. In 2007 after far too many messages we finally established that the specific deposits at Fairbanks which Hibben's observed were destroyed by the same hydraulic mining operation which exposed them. Now you bring up an Alaskan coastal site. What is the weather like in Alaska on the coast? If anything was exposed, I would not expect it to survive waves, wind and ice for long. Getting down to credentials, I was a space journalist, and you can read the major stories I broke over at Mark Wade's Encyclopedia Astronautica. Before that I coded text retrieval applications in mainframe assembler, and then did some computer security work. Ignorant of archaeology? Not quite, Dirk. My professor? My brother in law was an Egyptologist trained at the University of Chicago, and I lived in DC, so visiting the Smithsonian exhibits with him was great fun. I read archaeology from about age 8. After college I played with Linear A for 7 years, and even built my own "toy". And no, I don't want to share with you who I met up with along the way then. I excavated in Fredericksburg, but it was a minor dig in the mayor's back yard, did docent work, and assembled broken beer jugs. I made 12 trips between the Mississippi River and East Coast for "Man and Impact in the Americas", what I called "library and cemetery" tours, and pretty much drained the UVA mayan materials, and much from the Library of Congress. Now I am sorry that I did not cover the Southwest in my book, but then the Hopi, Navajo, and Zuni elders will say what they want to say about impacts when they want to say it. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas (waiting for the new IG's report on Griffin's failure to respond to the instructions of the George Brown Jr amendment, and for the USGS cores from the coastal Carolinas.) > Ed, > "For example, in 1946 he described a site at Chitna Bay in > Alaska at which he claimed to have found 10,000-year-old > flints. Subsequent expeditions revealed that the site simply > did not exist. Today, faking archaeological evidence is > known as hibbenising. 'Some think Hibben's work is all > faked,' archaeologist Bruce Huckell said. 'Others think we > don't have enough information to know." > > Alaska Mucks again were another of Hibbin`s muck work. > > Hibbins is also infamous for his faked data at Sandia > Cave. > > Hibbin`s work is given in most introductory archaeology > classes, Paleo-Indian and all Southwestern Archaeology > classes as a classic way NOT to conduct archaeology. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Hibben > > "The primary source of the controversies was Hibben's claim > to have found a deposit with pre-Clovis artifacts (including > projectile points, which he termed "Sandia points") in > Sandia Cave (in the Sandia Mountains near Albuquerque, New > Mexico). Hibben believed the layers to be about 25,000 years > old, much older than the Paleo-Indian cultures previously > documented in the U.S. Southwest. The layers also included > the bones of Pleistocene species such as camels, mastodons, > and horses.[5] The 25,000 year age for the "Sandia Man" > deposits was a best guess based on the strata in the cave, > and was later called into question, in part through > radiocarbon dating. Also, research notes by Wesley Bliss > (who had excavated in the cave in 1936) and others indicate > that animal burrowing led to a mixing of deposits. The > notion of a "Sandia Man" occupation of the U.S. Southwest is > no longer accepted by professional archaeologists, but that > in itself is not the source of controversy. Instead, some researchers > believe that artifacts were "salted" (fraudulently placed) in the cave > deposits to support the notion of the "Sandia Man" > occupation. Those who believe that fraud was committed often > suspect Hibben of being involved in the fraud.[6] [7] [8] > The evidence is inconclusive, however, and Hibben maintained > his innocence in the matter until his death. > > In 1946, Hibben described a visit to Chinitna Bay on the > west side of Cook Inlet in Alaska, where he claimed to find > a projectile point matching those of the Folsom people who > lived on the High Plains and adjacent regions 10,000 years > ago. The claim of an Alaska Folsom-like occupation did not > hold up, and added to the controversies surrounding his > work." > > His "slander" as you call it, came from HIS peers and > students of his time and from seeing and participating in > fieldwork with him. > > While you are revising history on bad science take a > look at Margaret Mead`s anthropology record as well. > > Ed. > Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > --- On Tue, 8/25/09, E.P. Grondine > wrote: > > > From: E.P. Grondine > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SETS: The Search for > > Extra-terrestrial Stupidity > > To: "drtanuki" > > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 7:00 AM > > Hi Dirk- > > > > I see that the slander continues. Hibben underwent > > most vicious attack while incapacitated by a brain injury > > suffered in World War 2. Between his pre-clovis work, > > and his observation of the remains at Fairbanks, he got > > creamed. > > > > Ed From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 24 23:04:05 2009 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:04:05 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted References: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: <8B77635BDC7246B98846CBB3CF8F3A3C@ATARIENGINE2> Phil, Eric, List We are "the only life" in the Universe, you say? Well, Phil, The Universe, meaning the part within our particle horizon, contains 10,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 cubic light years. That is one hell of a lot of closet space! For it to be empty of life is a terrible waste of space, as Carl Sagan said. There are a vast host of theories offered to explain why we haven't found anybody. It is an old paradox. Enrico Fermi, who was not only a genius but a very practical man, gave voice to the problem in 1950, at a lunchtime conversation with Teller and other assorted geniuses, all of whom agreed that there must be alien life. Fermi interrupted with, "So? Where are they?" By extention, you can ask, "Why haven't we heard from them?" Because there are so many answers proposed to explain the absence of aliens, here are some of those answers in shorthand form, but you can figure them out. They Are Here (The UFO Theories): 1 They Are Here and They Call Themselves Hungarians 2 They Are Here and Are Meddling in Human Affairs 3 They Were Here and Left Evidence of Their Presence 4 They Exist and They Are Us - We Are All Aliens! 5 The Zoo Scenario: We're Pets. 6 The Interdict Scenario: Contact Is Forbidden 7 The Planetarium Hypothesis: The Universe Is An Illusion 8 They Exist, Are VERY Advanced, and We Call Them God They Exist But Have Not Yet Communicated ("They're Out There!"): 9 The Stars Are Too Far Away 10 They Have Not Had Time to Reach Us 11 A Percolation Theory Approach -- We're In a Place They Didn't Go To 12 Bracewell-von Neumann Probes Are All They Send 13 We Are Solar Chauvinists; Their Planets Are Not Like Ours 14 They Stay at Home . . . 15 . . . and Surf the Net 16 They Are Signaling But We Do Not Know How to Listen 17 They Are Signaling But We Do Not Know at Which Frequency to Listen 18 Our Search Strategy Is Wrong 19 The Signal Is Already There in the Data 20 We Have Not Listened Long Enough 21 Everyone Is Listening, No One Is Transmitting 22 Berserkers 23 They Have No Desire to Communicate 24 They Develop a Different Mathematics 25 They Are Calling But We Do Not Recognize the Signal 26 They Are Somewhere But the Universe Is Stranger Than We Imagine 27 A Choice of Catastrophes: Intelligent Life Always Destroys Itself 28 They Hit the Singularity 29 Cloudy Skies Are Common 30 Infinitely Many ETCs Exist But Only One Within Our Particle Horizon: Us They Do Not Exist ("We're The Only Ones!"): 31 The Universe Is Here for Us 32 Life Can Have Emerged Only Recently 33 Planetary Systems Are Rare 34 We Are the First 35 Rocky Planets Are Rare 36 Continuously Habitable Zones Are Narrow 37 Jupiters Are Rare 38 Earth Has an Optimal "Pump of Evolution" 39 The Galaxy Is a Dangerous Place 40 A Planetary System Is a Dangerous Place 41 Earth's System of Plate Tectonics Is Unique 42 The Moon Is Unique 43 Life's Genesis Is Rare 44 The Prokaryote-Eukaryote Transition Is Rare 45 Toolmaking Species Are Rare 46 Technological Progress Is Not Inevitable 47 Intelligence at the Human Level Is Rare 48 Language Is Unique to Humans 49 Science Is Not Inevitable *from http://books.google.com/books?id=-vZ0BVSHix4C&dq=webb+where+is+everybody%3F+download&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=eDqTSva8GYXWsgOgguXJDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=11#v=onepage&q=&f=false Some of these answers have already been shot down since the above book listed them. Planets, it turns out are NOT rare. Neither are Jupiters. We are NOT signalling and advertising our presence to the Galaxy. Why should anyone else? We (humans) have only done so once, when Frank Drake sent a signal to Tau Ceti one night for half an hour without consulting anybody. Everyone was horrified and jumped all over him. Now, there are Federal regs that, in effect, make it a crime to try to talk to Alien Civilizations. Too dangerous. So why would we think that "they" would signal us? Unless they are so powerful they have no reason to be afraid of anybody, in which case I suggest we don't answer if they ring our doorbell. Suppose, just suppose, that there are no warp drives, no wormholes, no faster than light travel. Einstein was right and there IS a speed limit. Suppose that travelling between stars is extremely difficult no matter how advanced you are, and beyond one or two hundred light years, it's more costly than any civilization is likely to be willing to spend, and suppose there's nobody that close. All technologies have limits. Suppose we became dedicated to colonizing the Galaxy no matter how long it takes. Every 1000 years, we sent 100,000 humans on a giant ship to a habitable system only 25-30 light years away. It takes us 1000 years to get there. We defrost, settle down, build a civilization, increase in numbers and power, and only 1000 years later, we (now they) send out their own colony ship to repeat the process. Every 1000 years, every planet repeats the procedure with another colony in another direction. In a mere 6,000,000 years, humanity inhabits 5,000,000 planets stretching over the entire Milky Way Galaxy. Obviously, no other species has done this in the last few billion years or they'd be thick as fleas on a dog. Or maybe it's been done over and over, 129 times by 129 intelligent species, and each species has become extinct every single time, utterly vanished and all their vast monuments with them. Maybe we are ready to be Number 130. Maybe not. Maybe every intelligent species destroys itself shortly (a few thousand years) after achieving technological prowess. Get smart. Start fiddling with the Universe. Blow yourself up. Or wipe yourself out. Or poison your world and fall back into savagery. Screw things up beyond fixing. Maybe it's inevitable for every critter with a brain a bit too big for its appetites. Maybe we're just lost in time. No human can even vaguely conceive of what a billion years is like. Even a mere one million years is too great a stretch. A million years ago, there were no humans. 100,000 years ago there were no humans. 10,000 years ago we knew about as much about the Universe beyond the Earth as the dog of today. The Sea of Stars is vast and the Ocean of Time is deep. And we woke up about 1/25000000th of the life of the cosmos ago. That we have listened to the stars for any word from another intelligent species for 40-50 years and are desparate because we have no message in our Inbox yet shows we have the attention span of a gnat. Unless, of course, we expected the interstellar equivalent of Top 40 radio. Hold your complaints (and your conclusions) for a century (or two... or five), then get back to me. We'll do lunch. As for "Whoopie! The Universe Is Ours!" I'd hold off a bit before you run the Human Pan-Galactic Federation flag up and salute it. It's a little too early to celebrate. You'll find a lot of interesting discussion of these issues in the URL above at Google Books and this excellent summary of the problem, by David Brin, "The Great Silence" (free download): http://www.brin-l.com/downloads/silence.pdf Sterling K. Webb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Whitmer" To: Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted > Eric: > > It's my belief that We Are Alone! There's nobody out there. Life and > intelligence is a singularity, a miracle, call it what you will, it > only happened once, here on good old Planet Earth. We are the Seed > that will spread throughout the Universe by Space Migration. It's our > manifest destiny and a matter of survival. Nobody knows how or why it > happened, it just did. It was either God or chance, take your pick. > There are those who claim otherwise, but they have yet to provide even > the thinnest shred of evidence. Those who make extraordinary claims > must provide some extraordinary evidence to back it up. And they > never do! Not one person abducted by ETs has ever grabbed an alien > cellphone or anything else to prove they were aboard an intergalactic > space ship. > > The argument for aliens goes something like this: "Well there's > billions and billions of galaxies, one of them has to harbor life. It > just has to! You know, a billion monkeys typing for a billion years, > and one of them writes a Shakespearean Sonnet or the Book of Genesis, > whatever. I think they will just type gibberish for eternity. Life > doesn't just pop up all over the place. It can never be created in the > laboratory. It's impossible to make live stuff out of dead stuff! > (Except for that one time.) > > This argument puts a lot of faith in Chance and the Laws of > Probability. Might as well say Yahweh or Brahma did it. Evolution > guided by chance and probability, how is that any different from chaos > and total randomness? > > And why do the aliens always appear in trailer parks and never at > Houston Control, NAU, or the JPL? > > Now if I could see one bit of hard evidence, I would change my mind in > a minute. > > Just my dos pesos, > > Phil Whitmer > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Mon Aug 24 23:32:23 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:32:23 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Market value of NWA 482? Message-ID: Hi List! Out of curiosity, could someone tell me what the current market price for NWA 482 is? I know it varies, so I just need a price that's somewhere in the ball park. 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From eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon Aug 24 23:41:43 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:41:43 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <7C640E28081AEE4B952F008D1E913F1701933BBC@0461-its-exmb04.us.saic.com> References: <4A927CAA.6090502@meteoritesusa.com> <4A93470B.1020402@meteoritesusa.com> <7C640E28081AEE4B952F008D1E913F1701933BBC@0461-its-exmb04.us.saic.com> Message-ID: <4A935D77.8030202@meteoritesusa.com> Hi Rob, List, Thanks for the reply.... Hmmm. Where to start... "...Yes, it's a lot of rolls of the dice. But it still does not equate to certainty that the right conditions for life will emerge in more than one location at roughly the same time..." Probability need not be compared to certainty. We're not talking about certainty. You certainly exist physically. Philosophy is not certainty. Philosophically speaking one could argue that I'm not really writing this write now. Logically though I know I am, just as you can reasonably assume that I wrote it because you're reading it. This argument is infinite in it's scope, and our human minds are limitless as to the philosophical axioms we can provide. Our truths are what our personal beliefs make them out to be. And our beliefs are taught and created. They are not natural, nor are they certain. We're talking about probability of intelligence and evidence of life. Not proof of thought or knowledge based on philosophical debate. "...Infinitesimally small and zero are very far apart, mathematically..." I don't really know how small infinitesimal actually is... Mathematically speaking. ;) "...The universe is large (not to mention growing), but it is nevertheless finite..." Really? Is there proof of it's limited scope? We can only see so far... Every few years we can see further. Observationally speaking I'd like to see if someone can prove that there is an end to the the universe. If it is in fact expanding then it's infinite, since we don't know if it will ever stop expanding. WE simply don't know, but we can make educated guesses based on current knowledge. That knowledge though, changes over time. "...and we can only interact with a small fraction of it. So the size of the entire universe isn't really germane to the question -- you must restrict the statistics to our *observable* universe. It's still a huge number of galaxies each containing billions to hundreds of billions of stars...." Exactly my point. Even though we have to restrict our knowledge to the observable universe. That's enough for now. We've got the "space" for lack of a better term, to study, and the chances of finding life in the "reachable" universe is much more likely than our slim chance of finding something at our observational limits. My statement: "..."...if we think we're the only intelligent life form in the universe, we are the most arrogant and ignorant aliens in the universe...."..." "... I have little doubt of the truth of the last 11 words above. ;-)..." Very true... ;) "...Be that as it may, there is as yet no evidence to show that life exists..." Yet! ;) However, I was referring to the probability of contact with that life and not the probability of life itself. "...However, I would not be in the least bit surprised if evidence *is* found for primitive ET life (within our solar system) sometime this century. That alone would be a remarkable discovery..." Again, I agree that there is ancient life fossilized and preserved in material floating around in our solar system right now. It most likely came from our own planet though when Earth got smacked by ancient comet and asteroid impacts. The holy grail and largest challenge facing science of course is finding life, or evidence of life that's not from our own world. If we even do find a microbial lifeform in a space rock. How are we to know it didn't originate from our own planet? "...As for intelligent ET life, I'm not holding my breath. The number of star systems that are close enough to even know WE exist as an intelligent species number fewer than 20,000. Without our radio/TV/EM noise, there is no way to distinguish our planet as being "noteworthy". ..." Again, it's simply a matter of numbers and being in the rigt place at the right time. Which could be considered luck but I would argue that luck doesn't exist. Preparation proves luck doesn't exist. When we study, research and question our known universe, that's when we learn. Create an hypothesis and prove it scientifically. I only wish I had the tuiition to study at university. I would love it! I would devour the information and knowledge like a kid in a candy store. Our existence in my opinion may not be solid proof of extraterrestrial life, but I can say this unequivocally. Given the infinite vastness of our universe our very existence proves it's possible! The question is not if we will find life, but when it will be found, and what that life form will be. Regards, Eric Matson, Robert D. wrote: > Hi Eric, > > >> But I can tell you an unarguable fact. We exist. >> > > Actually, this "fact" is indeed arguable from a philosophical > standpoint, > since your proof of existence involves the senses of the very entities > you > are trying to prove exist. So I'm afraid this sort of circular reasoning > does not strictly hold up to logic. We may or may not exist, and there > is > probably no way to know for sure. But for argument's sake, I'll accept > the > premise that "life" *as we perceive it* exists, and go from there... > > >> That simple fact when viewed from a perspective outside ourselves and >> our known universe, it's very easy to see that the question is not IF >> there is life out there. But that the chances that there is NOT >> > intelligent > >> life out there is so infinitesimally small as to be a non-issue. >> > > Infinitesimally small and zero are very far apart, mathematically. > > >> There are countless billions of stars (not unlike our Sun) in our >> > Milky > >> Way Galaxy alone. 100 billion or more according to some scientific >> > estimates. > >> I cannot fathom that large of a number. >> > > Yes, it's a lot of rolls of the dice. But it still does not equate to > certainty that the right conditions for life will emerge in more than > one location at roughly the same time. > > >> Our universe is bigger than we ever thought. >> > > The universe is large (not to mention growing), but it is nevertheless > finite, and we can only interact with a small fraction of it. So the > size > of the entire universe isn't really germane to the question -- you must > restrict the statistics to our *observable* universe. It's still a huge > number of galaxies each containing billions to hundreds of billions of > stars. > > >> I don't have the mathematical skill necessary to figure the >> > probabilities > >> and the Drake equation is Greek to me. >> > > The Drake Equation is largely useless because it contains many > parameters > for which there are no good estimates. (You can't build good statistics > for events which we've only observed to occur once.) > > >> But I'm smart enough to figure out, that if we think we're the only >> intelligent life form in the universe, we are the most arrogant and >> ignorant aliens in the universe. >> > > I have little doubt of the truth of the last 11 words above. ;-) > Be that as it may, there is as yet no evidence to show that life exists > (or has ever existed) outside our planet. However, I would not be in > the least bit surprised if evidence *is* found for primitive ET life > (within our solar system) sometime this century. That alone would be > a remarkable discovery. > > As for intelligent ET life, I'm not holding my breath. The number of > star systems that are close enough to even know WE exist as an > intelligent > species number fewer than 20,000. Without our radio/TV/EM noise, there > is > no way to distinguish our planet as being "noteworthy". > > Cheers, > Rob > > > From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 25 00:06:37 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:06:37 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <8B77635BDC7246B98846CBB3CF8F3A3C@ATARIENGINE2> References: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1> <8B77635BDC7246B98846CBB3CF8F3A3C@ATARIENGINE2> Message-ID: As always, a great post, Sterling! ---------------------------------------- > From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net > To: prairiecactus at rtcol.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:04:05 -0500 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted > > Phil, Eric, List > > We are "the only life" in the Universe, you say? Well, Phil, > The Universe, meaning the part within our particle horizon, > contains 10,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 cubic > light years. That is one hell of a lot of closet space! For it to > be empty of life is a terrible waste of space, as Carl Sagan said. > > There are a vast host of theories offered to explain why we > haven't found anybody. It is an old paradox. Enrico Fermi, who > was not only a genius but a very practical man, gave voice to > the problem in 1950, at a lunchtime conversation with Teller > and other assorted geniuses, all of whom agreed that there must > be alien life. Fermi interrupted with, "So? Where are they?" By > extention, you can ask, "Why haven't we heard from them?" > > Because there are so many answers proposed to explain > the absence of aliens, here are some of those answers in > shorthand form, but you can figure them out. > > They Are Here (The UFO Theories): > 1 They Are Here and They Call Themselves Hungarians > 2 They Are Here and Are Meddling in Human Affairs > 3 They Were Here and Left Evidence of Their Presence > 4 They Exist and They Are Us - We Are All Aliens! > 5 The Zoo Scenario: We're Pets. > 6 The Interdict Scenario: Contact Is Forbidden > 7 The Planetarium Hypothesis: The Universe Is An Illusion > 8 They Exist, Are VERY Advanced, and We Call Them God > > They Exist But Have Not Yet Communicated ("They're Out There!"): > 9 The Stars Are Too Far Away > 10 They Have Not Had Time to Reach Us > 11 A Percolation Theory Approach -- We're In a Place They Didn't Go To > 12 Bracewell-von Neumann Probes Are All They Send > 13 We Are Solar Chauvinists; Their Planets Are Not Like Ours > 14 They Stay at Home . . . > 15 . . . and Surf the Net > 16 They Are Signaling But We Do Not Know How to Listen > 17 They Are Signaling But We Do Not Know at Which Frequency to Listen > 18 Our Search Strategy Is Wrong > 19 The Signal Is Already There in the Data > 20 We Have Not Listened Long Enough > 21 Everyone Is Listening, No One Is Transmitting > 22 Berserkers > 23 They Have No Desire to Communicate > 24 They Develop a Different Mathematics > 25 They Are Calling But We Do Not Recognize the Signal > 26 They Are Somewhere But the Universe Is Stranger Than We Imagine > 27 A Choice of Catastrophes: Intelligent Life Always Destroys Itself > 28 They Hit the Singularity > 29 Cloudy Skies Are Common > 30 Infinitely Many ETCs Exist But Only One Within Our Particle Horizon: > Us > > They Do Not Exist ("We're The Only Ones!"): > 31 The Universe Is Here for Us > 32 Life Can Have Emerged Only Recently > 33 Planetary Systems Are Rare > 34 We Are the First > 35 Rocky Planets Are Rare > 36 Continuously Habitable Zones Are Narrow > 37 Jupiters Are Rare > 38 Earth Has an Optimal "Pump of Evolution" > 39 The Galaxy Is a Dangerous Place > 40 A Planetary System Is a Dangerous Place > 41 Earth's System of Plate Tectonics Is Unique > 42 The Moon Is Unique > 43 Life's Genesis Is Rare > 44 The Prokaryote-Eukaryote Transition Is Rare > 45 Toolmaking Species Are Rare > 46 Technological Progress Is Not Inevitable > 47 Intelligence at the Human Level Is Rare > 48 Language Is Unique to Humans > 49 Science Is Not Inevitable > *from > http://books.google.com/books?id=-vZ0BVSHix4C&dq=webb+where+is+everybody%3F+download&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=eDqTSva8GYXWsgOgguXJDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=11#v=onepage&q=&f=false > > Some of these answers have already been shot down > since the above book listed them. Planets, it turns out are > NOT rare. Neither are Jupiters. > > We are NOT signalling and advertising our presence to > the Galaxy. Why should anyone else? We (humans) have > only done so once, when Frank Drake sent a signal to Tau > Ceti one night for half an hour without consulting anybody. > Everyone was horrified and jumped all over him. Now, there > are Federal regs that, in effect, make it a crime to try to talk > to Alien Civilizations. Too dangerous. So why would we think > that "they" would signal us? Unless they are so powerful they > have no reason to be afraid of anybody, in which case I suggest > we don't answer if they ring our doorbell. > > Suppose, just suppose, that there are no warp drives, no > wormholes, no faster than light travel. Einstein was right and > there IS a speed limit. Suppose that travelling between stars > is extremely difficult no matter how advanced you are, and > beyond one or two hundred light years, it's more costly than > any civilization is likely to be willing to spend, and suppose > there's nobody that close. All technologies have limits. > > Suppose we became dedicated to colonizing the Galaxy no > matter how long it takes. Every 1000 years, we sent 100,000 > humans on a giant ship to a habitable system only 25-30 light > years away. It takes us 1000 years to get there. We defrost, settle > down, build a civilization, increase in numbers and power, > and only 1000 years later, we (now they) send out their own > colony ship to repeat the process. Every 1000 years, every planet > repeats the procedure with another colony in another direction. > In a mere 6,000,000 years, humanity inhabits 5,000,000 planets > stretching over the entire Milky Way Galaxy. > > Obviously, no other species has done this in the last few billion > years or they'd be thick as fleas on a dog. Or maybe it's been done > over and over, 129 times by 129 intelligent species, and each > species has become extinct every single time, utterly vanished > and all their vast monuments with them. Maybe we are ready > to be Number 130. > > Maybe not. Maybe every intelligent species destroys itself > shortly (a few thousand years) after achieving technological > prowess. Get smart. Start fiddling with the Universe. Blow > yourself up. Or wipe yourself out. Or poison your world and > fall back into savagery. Screw things up beyond fixing. Maybe > it's inevitable for every critter with a brain a bit too big for > its appetites. > > Maybe we're just lost in time. No human can even vaguely > conceive of what a billion years is like. Even a mere one million > years is too great a stretch. A million years ago, there were no > humans. 100,000 years ago there were no humans. 10,000 > years ago we knew about as much about the Universe beyond > the Earth as the dog of today. The Sea of Stars is vast and the > Ocean of Time is deep. And we woke up about 1/25000000th > of the life of the cosmos ago. > > That we have listened to the stars for any word from another > intelligent species for 40-50 years and are desparate because > we have no message in our Inbox yet shows we have the attention > span of a gnat. Unless, of course, we expected the interstellar > equivalent of Top 40 radio. Hold your complaints (and your > conclusions) for a century (or two... or five), then get back to me. > We'll do lunch. > > As for "Whoopie! The Universe Is Ours!" I'd hold off a bit > before you run the Human Pan-Galactic Federation flag up > and salute it. It's a little too early to celebrate. > > You'll find a lot of interesting discussion of these issues in > the URL above at Google Books and this excellent summary of > the problem, by David Brin, "The Great Silence" (free download): > http://www.brin-l.com/downloads/silence.pdf > > > > Sterling K. Webb > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Whitmer" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:17 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted > > >> Eric: >> >> It's my belief that We Are Alone! There's nobody out there. Life and >> intelligence is a singularity, a miracle, call it what you will, it >> only happened once, here on good old Planet Earth. We are the Seed >> that will spread throughout the Universe by Space Migration. It's our >> manifest destiny and a matter of survival. Nobody knows how or why it >> happened, it just did. It was either God or chance, take your pick. >> There are those who claim otherwise, but they have yet to provide even >> the thinnest shred of evidence. Those who make extraordinary claims >> must provide some extraordinary evidence to back it up. And they >> never do! Not one person abducted by ETs has ever grabbed an alien >> cellphone or anything else to prove they were aboard an intergalactic >> space ship. >> >> The argument for aliens goes something like this: "Well there's >> billions and billions of galaxies, one of them has to harbor life. It >> just has to! You know, a billion monkeys typing for a billion years, >> and one of them writes a Shakespearean Sonnet or the Book of Genesis, >> whatever. I think they will just type gibberish for eternity. Life >> doesn't just pop up all over the place. It can never be created in the >> laboratory. It's impossible to make live stuff out of dead stuff! >> (Except for that one time.) >> >> This argument puts a lot of faith in Chance and the Laws of >> Probability. Might as well say Yahweh or Brahma did it. Evolution >> guided by chance and probability, how is that any different from chaos >> and total randomness? >> >> And why do the aliens always appear in trailer parks and never at >> Houston Control, NAU, or the JPL? >> >> Now if I could see one bit of hard evidence, I would change my mind in >> a minute. >> >> Just my dos pesos, >> >> Phil Whitmer >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive email from all of your webmail accounts. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671356 From cynapse at charter.net Tue Aug 25 01:23:01 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:23:01 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <8B77635BDC7246B98846CBB3CF8F3A3C@ATARIENGINE2> References: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1> <8B77635BDC7246B98846CBB3CF8F3A3C@ATARIENGINE2> Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:04:05 -0500, you wrote: >22 Berserkers Now you're making me want to reread the classics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker_%28Saberhagen%29 From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Tue Aug 25 00:26:43 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:26:43 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 25, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_25_2009.html From prairiecactus at rtcol.com Tue Aug 25 01:24:10 2009 From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com (Phil Whitmer) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:24:10 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted Message-ID: <43C9BE6042454D40BC6A2B1248722E53@whitmerjbqtim1> To all listees pondering the Eternal Verities: Just because the Universe is really big is not an argument that there is Life out there. The Ocean is really big, but that's not an argument for the existence of a Loch Ness monster or any other species of pleisosaur. I have to actually see a unicorn before I'll believe that they exist. I'm Old School, I have to actually see a visible light photograph of just one of these supposed googols of Earth like planets. All I've heard is pure speculation, forumulae, projections of our loneliness, (there has to be someone out there!) extrapolations, computer models, mathematical probabilities, etc. Still waiting on the evidence! Not proof, just a simple tiny shred of evidence. One simple SOS in Morse Code on any one of the billions and billions of channels monitered by Seti. One peer reviewed, in focus, well lit, properly exposed photograph of an actual flying saucer. One little tiny fossil in a meteorite. Anything! Closer to home, I'm still waiting for anything at all from the Mars probes. Just one incontrovertible shred of evidence where all the scientists go: "Yes, there's life on Mars!" Until I see this evidence I have to conclude that on the closest planet that was once very Earth like, there is no sign of life. If we can't even find it on Mars, which should have been teeming with life, which should have left tons of evidence which should have been found by now, then I must conclude that the Universe is a vast lifeless place. The only life that I can verify by empirical evidence is right here on this planet. You can do all the thought experiments you want, in your imagination you can populate the entire vast Universe with bacteria, or Star Trek/Star Wars like critters, whatever you like, it's all pure speculation. All that we know for sure is that is Life here on Earth. Plenty of it. The problem is nobody knows where it came from. Nobody is really sure even what it is. Can someone tell me what the Life Force is that differentiates living things from inanimate objects? Is it Chi?, Ki? Prana? What the heck is it? Did it originate here on Earth. (I think it did.) If it did, then how did that first coacervate of organic molecules become alive in the first place? How did it know how to assemble a strand of self replicating RNA? At exactly what point did the Life Force enter this assemblage of non living stuff? Don't even get me started on the Miracle of Intelligence/Consciousness! As if anyone knows what that little voice in your head is! This should be pretty simple stuff to figure out, even for a young, dumb species like homo sapiens. After all, it happened right here on our home planet just a few billion years ago right under our noses. People will tell you otherwise, but we don't have a clue as to what life is or how it got started. Until these basic questions about the origins of life on our own planet are answered I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves by believing in aliens. Little green men or tall gray men, I have to see one to believe in them. Dos mas pesos, Phil Whitmer Nota bene: Of course I could be completely wrong and Dr. Edgar Mitchell could be completely right! From cynapse at charter.net Tue Aug 25 02:40:44 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:40:44 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <43C9BE6042454D40BC6A2B1248722E53@whitmerjbqtim1> References: <43C9BE6042454D40BC6A2B1248722E53@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:24:10 -0400, you wrote: >Until I see this evidence I have to conclude that on the closest planet that >was once very Earth like, there is no sign of life. If we can't even find >it on Mars, which should have been teeming with life, which should have >left tons of evidence which should have been found by now, then I must >conclude that the Universe is a vast lifeless place. Having a whole two data points, Earth and Mars, given life on Earth and no life on Mars, I must conclude that 50% of all potentially habitable planets have life! From prairiecactus at rtcol.com Tue Aug 25 01:58:29 2009 From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com (Phil Whitmer) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:58:29 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted Message-ID: Darren: That's funny! But realistically, the percentage is much lower if you figure in the complete lack of evidence for life on the Moon, Mars, all the other planets and their moons, the Sun, all the asteroids, all the comets, and any other stuff that might be hanging around the edges of the Solar System. If there is no evidence for life anywhere in the entire Solar System, (that I know of), even on such a life friendly place as Mars, then maybe life doesn't just pop into existence just because conditions are right. Maybe it is just a one time thing. I wish I could afford to be cryogenically frozen like Walt Disney and wake up in a few million years to find out! Phil Whitmer From mojave_meteorites at cox.net Tue Aug 25 02:54:45 2009 From: mojave_meteorites at cox.net (Rob Matson) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:54:45 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Reality, Perception, Finiteness of Universe In-Reply-To: <4A935D77.8030202@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: Hi Eric, > We're not talking about certainty. You certainly exist > physically. Philosophy is not certainty. Much as I'd like to agree with you, there is no way for you to prove that I exist or you exist, or anything that you experience is real. That is the nature of philosophical introspection; the realization that you may not be able to trust your own senses. For instance, I would imagine you saw The Matrix. Suppose everything you see, hear, smell, taste, feel and think is simply illusion. Your first response might be, "That's ridiculous! I can read the words you've typed, I can feel the keys of my keyboard, I can hear the whirr of the disk drive, smell dinner cooking, etc." But if you're really honest with yourself, you'll come to the perhaps unsettling realization that you can't prove ANY of it is real. ~Intellectually~ you reason that you are made up of billions of cells, that these cells are themselves constructed of various molecules, that the molecules can be broken down into atoms, the atoms into subatomic particles, and so on. But what are the fundamental building blocks of matter? They are really nothing more than a set of mathematical constructs invented by humans that try to match the "reality" that they observe. Again, very suspect, and not surprisingly our macroscopic notions of reality do not work so well in the realm of the very small. If you really want to get a "reality check" (pun intended), read up on Bell's Theorem, and the various experiments that show Bell's inequalities are violated, quantum mechanics is correct, and therefore the notion of "local realism" is disproven. But I'm getting off the subject a bit... Earlier I wrote: > "...The universe is large (not to mention growing), but it is > nevertheless finite..." You replied: > Really? Is there proof of its limited scope? If you ascribe to the Big Bang Theory, then the Universe is finite by definition. > We can only see so far... Every few years we can see further. But what you may not know (don't feel bad, most people don't) is that the Universe is expanding at a rate considerably faster than the speed of light, and therefore the fraction of the total Universe that we can observe is getting smaller and smaller with time. There will reach a time in the distant future where we can only see our local cluster of galaxies -- the rest of the Universe will be closed off to us forever. Best, Rob From mojave_meteorites at cox.net Tue Aug 25 03:27:27 2009 From: mojave_meteorites at cox.net (Rob Matson) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:27:27 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] On the other hand... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > ... there is no way for you to prove that I exist or you exist, > or anything that you experience is real. You might want to try a modern, meteoritical spin on the rhetorical approach taken by Samuel Johnson in the 18th century, when he responded to Bishop Berkeley's claim that matter doesn't exist, but only ~seems~ to. Just drop a 10-kilo Campo on your foot from a height of one meter and proudly announce, "I refute it thus!" (and then have someone take you to the hospital) ;-) --Rob From eric at meteoritesusa.com Tue Aug 25 04:05:04 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:05:04 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] On the other hand... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A939B30.6030304@meteoritesusa.com> :) Like I said it's endless... I guess I'm not smart enough to figure out if we're really real or not, but that's not "really" what I care about. I care about knowledge. That's what I seek in my never ending quest for understanding. Now regardless of the reality of our own existence, knowledge is real. We are conscious, aware, and we think? Someone said that already though didn't they, a guy that was probably way smarter than me. A quick search and I realize it was Rene Descartes that said it first. Matter does exist, or rather we perceive the effects of matter to be measurable. Even if it is only in our minds. We see it, touch it, feel it, experience it, mold it, form it, and in some cases are controlled by it and surrounded by it. Does it matter? ;) Yes. because if matter isn't real, then your argument is moot. And if your argument is moot, then it doesn't matter, because our perception of the effects of matter is one that not only makes it exist, but makes it measurable. Does that make sense? Our own senses and the observable effects that our brains control tells me that when I drop that meteorite on my foot it's gonna hurt. And it would in fact cause measurable physical damage. Which is an effect we perceive. We do in fact think, Therefore our own thoughts are our proof that we exist. If you perceive something to be real, it is... Even if only in your own mind. Does this mean we're all having one mass hallucination? ;) Regards, Eric Rob Matson wrote: >> ... there is no way for you to prove that I exist or you exist, >> or anything that you experience is real. >> > > You might want to try a modern, meteoritical spin on the rhetorical > approach taken by Samuel Johnson in the 18th century, when he responded > to Bishop Berkeley's claim that matter doesn't exist, but only ~seems~ > to. Just drop a 10-kilo Campo on your foot from a height of one meter > and proudly announce, "I refute it thus!" (and then have someone take > you to the hospital) ;-) --Rob > > > From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 04:13:52 2009 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <4A93470B.1020402@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <102206.82906.qm@web55203.mail.re4.yahoo.com> The corollary--I ask because they obviously have confederates (if not actual members themselves) on this list-- maybe they can bring us a Mercury sample? Maybe Venus? Phobos? Demos? Saturn ring tektites? I have some glass beads, tin mirrors, iron hatchets to swap. (It worked once before thought it might be worth a try). I agree that even 20 -100 years is unlikely unless we accidentally encounter them in distress, I can't imagine any advanced culture with even the slightest knowledge of our history feeling contact with us as a prudent step in their own history! Ask any surviving indigneous person on any contintent. Of course my dog is arguing that it is already occurred only we are too dim to recognize it. He does this all the time and what does he know? He has not been to college and hasn't read but half the books I have! Elton From mark.ford at ssl.gb.com Tue Aug 25 04:57:22 2009 From: mark.ford at ssl.gb.com (Mark Ford) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:57:22 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <8B77635BDC7246B98846CBB3CF8F3A3C@ATARIENGINE2> References: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1> <8B77635BDC7246B98846CBB3CF8F3A3C@ATARIENGINE2> Message-ID: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C49724663@gamma.ssl.atw> Why does everyone always assume aliens are super intelligent? based on the earth model >99.999999999999999999999999999% of all life in the universe (if there is any other) is actually not intelligent. There is a massive difference between, intelligent life, semi-intelligent life, and basic 'life'. Add up all the life forms that have existed on earth in 3+ billion years (it's a really rather large number), and consider that just 2 or 3 of those trillions and trillions of life forms actually invented a way of communicating over large distances (i.e. using radio waves), and it took billions of years for that to happen, that in itself is a mind boggling ratio. That's exactly why we haven't received any communication from aliens. A) There are [very] few planets with life, far fewer that can actually communicate b) The distances are just too vast. c) Based on our own human civilization we are not even sending out carefully directed messages, just mass radio pollution, - as someone else said maybe the only other intelligent planet is just listening!) My Guess is life is actually very rare, semi intelligent life is very, very, very rare, and intelligent life is just us (maybe plus or minus a remote planet or two somewhere very far away...) Mark CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email info at ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 From christian.anger at aon.at Tue Aug 25 04:55:26 2009 From: christian.anger at aon.at (Christian Anger) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:55:26 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ochansk wanted Message-ID: <000901ca2561$cc0cb240$642616c0$@anger@aon.at> Hi all, I am looking for a small sample of Ochansk, about 1 to 3 grams best regards, Christian Ing. Christian Anger Neustiftgasse 37 A-2405 Bad Deutsch Altenburg AUSTRIA email: christian.anger at aon.at website: www.austromet.com IMCA member # 2673 at www.imca.cc From joachim at 1tt.net Tue Aug 25 06:40:10 2009 From: joachim at 1tt.net (joachim at 1tt.net) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:40:10 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] dfgh In-Reply-To: <20090825121604.lhl3c97zsqskcgck@webmail.1tt.net> References: <20090825121604.lhl3c97zsqskcgck@webmail.1tt.net> Message-ID: <20090825124010.lj66rllieaok84go@webmail.1tt.net> Zitat von joachim at 1tt.net: > dfgh From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr Tue Aug 25 07:43:14 2009 From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:43:14 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <0EB75369-564D-40BD-B27C-2F291CCC561F@mac.com> References: <491534.58122.qm@web57805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <0EB75369-564D-40BD-B27C-2F291CCC561F@mac.com> Message-ID: <200908251133.n7PBXRjx003987@smtpmul.univ-mulhouse.fr> Another here: http://www.agab.be/meteorites/historique/Connoisseur.html Click on "Dhofar 700 adio" and enjoy (and learn some French). 7 or 8 tunnels could be guessed (in any language). Zelimir At 21:08 24/08/2009, Gary Fujihara wrote: >Holy Toledo! Here's a specimen of Dho700: >http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30562289&id=1394318075 > >gary > >On Aug 24, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: > >> >>Steve: >> >>If you look on ebay and look for a MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, >>div.MsoNormal >> {mso-style-parent:""; >> margin:0in; >> margin-bottom:.0001pt; >> mso-pagination:widow-orphan; >> font-size:12.0pt; >> font-family:"Times New Roman"; >> mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} >>@page Section1 >> {size:8.5in 11.0in; >> margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; >> mso-header-margin:.5in; >> mso-footer-margin:.5in; >> mso-paper-source:0;} >>div.Section1 >> {page:Section1;} >>--> >> >> >>Dhofar 700 Rare Vesiculated Diogenite Meteorite 45g >> >>Rare Specimen With Vesicles And 2 Tunnels!I guess you could say it's >>documented since there is a picture of it.Pretty cool specimen. >> >>Greg S. >> >>---------------------------------------- >>>Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:15:50 -0700 >>>From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com >>>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites >>> >>>Hi list.Well it is nice to see that the list has quieted down.I was >>>wondering.I know that there are alot of holes in iron >>>meteorites,but has there ever been any documented evidence of holes >>>in stone meteorites?I found a hole thru a terrestial rock 3 years >>>ago,but I have never seen one from space.Any comments????????? >>>Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>______________________________________________ >>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>Meteorite-list mailing list >>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. >>http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 >>______________________________________________ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >Gary Fujihara >AstroDay Institute >105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 >(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com >http://astroday.net > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Universit? de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Tue Aug 25 07:48:11 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:48:11 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: References: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1><8B77635BDC7246B98846CBB3CF8F3A3C@ATARIENGINE2> Message-ID: <001d01ca2579$f2ae2510$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Exactly, and our imagination, whether there are aliens and if, how they are, does in the end only reflect our occupation with ourselves. And I suppose, that has a longer tradition, our images of the aliens? >From antique times on those fictions, where the protagonists travel to Moon or to space and met the people there, were used to hold up a mirror up to us, space was only the place for utopias, for satirical criticism on societies, mankind, politics and stuff or for philosophical thoughts. Hence that hadn't to do with aliens and science fiction directly, it was only the arena for such kind of projections. Like it was used to let such fiction play in far and unknown or fantastic lands, hence no difference to let's say e.g Gulliver's Travels. The basis for our todays imagination about the nature of aliens and Science Fiction with its different genres, I think, was set in 19th century. 3 archetypes you find there. One is the stalwartly optimistic believe, that the (new) technological progress will lead mankind to an ideal society and will solve all our worries and quarrels and that Earth and universe is waiting to be seized by the human civilization. (Aliens would be only debilitating and annoying for that purpose, hence there better shouldn't be any, I guess) Most popular exponent was perhaps Jules Verne. The antagonistic SfiFi to Jules Verne is best represented by the fictions of a H.G.Wells. That mankind will always be limited to its behaviour and the depths of its character. And that in its limitations the human society can be helplessly at mercy if e.g. the intruder from Mars will come, and that the society will fall in pieces. Third one, somewhat earlier, is that enthusiasm for the Middle Ages of the Romanticism. The escape into a manageable fairy-tale world, with noble knights, pretty damsles, dynasties and battles and with clear rules, where the Miller's son and underdog...nja you know. Wherefrom the whole stuff like Tolkien, fantasy literature and our today's role-plays were derived off. Well and from these three basic ingredients our conception of the aliens seems to be mingled together. And the prevalence of one or the other element is rather a question of temporary vogues. The breakdown of the old systems, the experiences of two World wars, the cold war. There we had more Wells than Verne and the Aliens and the robots and the prehistoric monsters and other communists had nothing better to do than to invade Colorado and California to eradicate mankind and even The Officer was powerless. A little later with the upcoming space flight enthusiasm we had some more Verne. And very important, the affreightment of the genre with esoteric and religious elements, mother nature, we are family and all the Hippie stuff. That the aliens are of course not evil, but kindly have to come to rescue us. (Therefrom btw the resumption of the old concept of the noble savage, if you remind one of the most popular aliens ever, the droll E.T.) Which SciFi had the most influence in my generation? And don't tell me that your concept of aliens isn't influenced by Scifi. Star Wars Saga - that was pure Popcorn-Middle-Ages-fun. Star Trek Series - was a kind, how should United Nations exemplarily behave in space, where the problems are the very same as here on Earth + Daily Soap. Well and perhaps cause of the visually new realization, the Alien movies, Good old Wells. Kubrick's film you'll say.. I'm not sure, that it is directly about aliens.. So you find always the same patterns, how the aliens should be. Either they will come to eat us all up or they are Messiahs. Both cases imply that they are more advanced than we, hence Wells. (That they would be underdeveloped, that we can conquer, exploit and kill them all, as we used to do so for the last thousands of years among our own kind and tribes, is definitely excluded, because it would be against any political correctness). That is one thing, the other thing is, why some are eager and some not, that there must be life in space. Well. In the beginning we were the center of the universe and we were effigies of a God. Little later we learned ooops, Sun is the center of the World. Again a little later, ouch the stars arenothing else than suns, than there is another galaxy full of suns and that our sun isn't the center of our galaxy, very soon after how obscenely large and far away other galaxies are, and that our galaxy isn't the center of universe, meanwhile we had learned that Grandpa was a chimpanzee, then we saw that the universe is full of galaxies and that its incredible huge, we experienced how old it is, how old Earth is (nasty meteorites), how old life is and that the human beings existed for a shorter time than a blink of an eye, and that the universe expanses so that maybe it will blow over (but before the sun will blow the Earth, that we are mortal we all knew before), as it wouldn't be enough we found 20 years ago other planets orbiting other suns... ...well, that all isn't so good for our ego, real masochists we are, if you ask me. Well and there are two diametrically opposed reactions. Some say, please let be someone out there, and let it be microbes, because that huge mess is to hard and depressing to endure for us alone. And the others say, please let be there no other life, we had already to give up so much, don't take away the last thing, which makes us unique and special, cause else we wouldn't know, what the sense of that all should be. Or so? "Life goes on without life" Sings Martin, the kitchen-philosopher. PS: And we are always so impatient. Would be a great success, if firstly SETI, will find the Yeti. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Pete Pete Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. August 2009 06:07 An: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net; prairiecactus at rtcol.com; meteoritelistmeteoritelist Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted As always, a great post, Sterling! ---------------------------------------- > From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net > To: prairiecactus at rtcol.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:04:05 -0500 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted > > Phil, Eric, List > > We are "the only life" in the Universe, you say? Well, Phil, > The Universe, meaning the part within our particle horizon, > contains 10,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 cubic > light years. That is one hell of a lot of closet space! For it to > be empty of life is a terrible waste of space, as Carl Sagan said. > > There are a vast host of theories offered to explain why we > haven't found anybody. It is an old paradox. Enrico Fermi, who > was not only a genius but a very practical man, gave voice to > the problem in 1950, at a lunchtime conversation with Teller > and other assorted geniuses, all of whom agreed that there must > be alien life. Fermi interrupted with, "So? Where are they?" By > extention, you can ask, "Why haven't we heard from them?" > > Because there are so many answers proposed to explain > the absence of aliens, here are some of those answers in > shorthand form, but you can figure them out. > > They Are Here (The UFO Theories): > 1 They Are Here and They Call Themselves Hungarians > 2 They Are Here and Are Meddling in Human Affairs > 3 They Were Here and Left Evidence of Their Presence > 4 They Exist and They Are Us - We Are All Aliens! > 5 The Zoo Scenario: We're Pets. > 6 The Interdict Scenario: Contact Is Forbidden > 7 The Planetarium Hypothesis: The Universe Is An Illusion > 8 They Exist, Are VERY Advanced, and We Call Them God > > They Exist But Have Not Yet Communicated ("They're Out There!"): > 9 The Stars Are Too Far Away > 10 They Have Not Had Time to Reach Us > 11 A Percolation Theory Approach -- We're In a Place They Didn't Go To > 12 Bracewell-von Neumann Probes Are All They Send > 13 We Are Solar Chauvinists; Their Planets Are Not Like Ours > 14 They Stay at Home . . . > 15 . . . and Surf the Net > 16 They Are Signaling But We Do Not Know How to Listen > 17 They Are Signaling But We Do Not Know at Which Frequency to Listen > 18 Our Search Strategy Is Wrong > 19 The Signal Is Already There in the Data > 20 We Have Not Listened Long Enough > 21 Everyone Is Listening, No One Is Transmitting > 22 Berserkers > 23 They Have No Desire to Communicate > 24 They Develop a Different Mathematics > 25 They Are Calling But We Do Not Recognize the Signal > 26 They Are Somewhere But the Universe Is Stranger Than We Imagine > 27 A Choice of Catastrophes: Intelligent Life Always Destroys Itself > 28 They Hit the Singularity > 29 Cloudy Skies Are Common > 30 Infinitely Many ETCs Exist But Only One Within Our Particle Horizon: > Us > > They Do Not Exist ("We're The Only Ones!"): > 31 The Universe Is Here for Us > 32 Life Can Have Emerged Only Recently > 33 Planetary Systems Are Rare > 34 We Are the First > 35 Rocky Planets Are Rare > 36 Continuously Habitable Zones Are Narrow > 37 Jupiters Are Rare > 38 Earth Has an Optimal "Pump of Evolution" > 39 The Galaxy Is a Dangerous Place > 40 A Planetary System Is a Dangerous Place > 41 Earth's System of Plate Tectonics Is Unique > 42 The Moon Is Unique > 43 Life's Genesis Is Rare > 44 The Prokaryote-Eukaryote Transition Is Rare > 45 Toolmaking Species Are Rare > 46 Technological Progress Is Not Inevitable > 47 Intelligence at the Human Level Is Rare > 48 Language Is Unique to Humans > 49 Science Is Not Inevitable > *from > http://books.google.com/books?id=-vZ0BVSHix4C&dq=webb+where+is+everybody%3F+ download&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=eDqTSva8GYXWsgOgguXJDw&sa=X& oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=11#v=onepage&q=&f=false > > Some of these answers have already been shot down > since the above book listed them. Planets, it turns out are > NOT rare. Neither are Jupiters. > > We are NOT signalling and advertising our presence to > the Galaxy. Why should anyone else? We (humans) have > only done so once, when Frank Drake sent a signal to Tau > Ceti one night for half an hour without consulting anybody. > Everyone was horrified and jumped all over him. Now, there > are Federal regs that, in effect, make it a crime to try to talk > to Alien Civilizations. Too dangerous. So why would we think > that "they" would signal us? Unless they are so powerful they > have no reason to be afraid of anybody, in which case I suggest > we don't answer if they ring our doorbell. > > Suppose, just suppose, that there are no warp drives, no > wormholes, no faster than light travel. Einstein was right and > there IS a speed limit. Suppose that travelling between stars > is extremely difficult no matter how advanced you are, and > beyond one or two hundred light years, it's more costly than > any civilization is likely to be willing to spend, and suppose > there's nobody that close. All technologies have limits. > > Suppose we became dedicated to colonizing the Galaxy no > matter how long it takes. Every 1000 years, we sent 100,000 > humans on a giant ship to a habitable system only 25-30 light > years away. It takes us 1000 years to get there. We defrost, settle > down, build a civilization, increase in numbers and power, > and only 1000 years later, we (now they) send out their own > colony ship to repeat the process. Every 1000 years, every planet > repeats the procedure with another colony in another direction. > In a mere 6,000,000 years, humanity inhabits 5,000,000 planets > stretching over the entire Milky Way Galaxy. > > Obviously, no other species has done this in the last few billion > years or they'd be thick as fleas on a dog. Or maybe it's been done > over and over, 129 times by 129 intelligent species, and each > species has become extinct every single time, utterly vanished > and all their vast monuments with them. Maybe we are ready > to be Number 130. > > Maybe not. Maybe every intelligent species destroys itself > shortly (a few thousand years) after achieving technological > prowess. Get smart. Start fiddling with the Universe. Blow > yourself up. Or wipe yourself out. Or poison your world and > fall back into savagery. Screw things up beyond fixing. Maybe > it's inevitable for every critter with a brain a bit too big for > its appetites. > > Maybe we're just lost in time. No human can even vaguely > conceive of what a billion years is like. Even a mere one million > years is too great a stretch. A million years ago, there were no > humans. 100,000 years ago there were no humans. 10,000 > years ago we knew about as much about the Universe beyond > the Earth as the dog of today. The Sea of Stars is vast and the > Ocean of Time is deep. And we woke up about 1/25000000th > of the life of the cosmos ago. > > That we have listened to the stars for any word from another > intelligent species for 40-50 years and are desparate because > we have no message in our Inbox yet shows we have the attention > span of a gnat. Unless, of course, we expected the interstellar > equivalent of Top 40 radio. Hold your complaints (and your > conclusions) for a century (or two... or five), then get back to me. > We'll do lunch. > > As for "Whoopie! The Universe Is Ours!" I'd hold off a bit > before you run the Human Pan-Galactic Federation flag up > and salute it. It's a little too early to celebrate. > > You'll find a lot of interesting discussion of these issues in > the URL above at Google Books and this excellent summary of > the problem, by David Brin, "The Great Silence" (free download): > http://www.brin-l.com/downloads/silence.pdf > > > > Sterling K. Webb > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Whitmer" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:17 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted > > From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr Tue Aug 25 08:12:12 2009 From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:12:12 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <544294.96388.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <200908251133.n7PBXRjx003987@smtpmul.univ-mulhouse.fr> <544294.96388.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200908251202.n7PC2S4a004342@smtpmul.univ-mulhouse.fr> Hi Dirk, Similar but not the same. Most probably cut from the same individual (only a few of Dho 700 pieces have vugs, perhaps only one of them ?). Mine was obtained through a special offer from Blaine Reed. My slice is 14.5 grams and seems to have "more holes" and thus "less cheese" than yours.... Take care Zelimir At 13:51 25/08/2009, drtanuki wrote: >Dear Zelimir, > Perhaps a sibling to the same slice? Looks familiar! >http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2009/08/meteorite-news-holes-in-meteorites.html > >Best Regards, Dirk...Tokyo Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Universit? de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 From info at meteorites.com.au Tue Aug 25 08:14:34 2009 From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:14:34 +1000 Subject: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites In-Reply-To: <200908251202.n7PC2S4a004342@smtpmul.univ-mulhouse.fr> References: <200908251133.n7PBXRjx003987@smtpmul.univ-mulhouse.fr><544294.96388.qm@web53112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <200908251202.n7PC2S4a004342@smtpmul.univ-mulhouse.fr> Message-ID: <4A61406A55F24250AD22A0589569194A@JeffPC> Hi Zelimir, I believe around half of the dozen stones that made up Dhofar 700 displayed vesicles. Some were more prominent than others. My individual shows just a few small ones on the exterior and I've never been able to bring myself to slice it up to see if there are many more! ;-) http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/dho700.html Cheers, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zelimir Gabelica" To: "drtanuki" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] holes in stone meteorites Hi Dirk, Similar but not the same. Most probably cut from the same individual (only a few of Dho 700 pieces have vugs, perhaps only one of them ?). Mine was obtained through a special offer from Blaine Reed. My slice is 14.5 grams and seems to have "more holes" and thus "less cheese" than yours.... Take care Zelimir At 13:51 25/08/2009, drtanuki wrote: >Dear Zelimir, > Perhaps a sibling to the same slice? Looks familiar! >http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2009/08/meteorite-news-holes-in-meteorites.html > >Best Regards, Dirk...Tokyo Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Universit? de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mark.ford at ssl.gb.com Tue Aug 25 08:36:56 2009 From: mark.ford at ssl.gb.com (Mark Ford) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:36:56 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <89CFE5009EE64CA7A705A70D018CE795@owner55652f88b> References: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1> <89CFE5009EE64CA7A705A70D018CE795@owner55652f88b> Message-ID: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C49724693@gamma.ssl.atw> >>That is just hogwash in my opinion---the Drake Equation proves that life >>MUST exist elsewhere. Not quite - Actually most sensible values for the drake equation (and subsequent improved variants) come up with surprisingly low values, given the scale and size of the universe! In fact it's quite easy to get values of 1! yes Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but evidence of absence is evidence of absence! If we search and find no other life in our own solar system, it lowers the odds somewhat, since the earth is so perfect for life, yet the similar sized planets that are very nearby are totally sterile (it seems so far). Mark -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Becky and Kirk Sent: 24 August 2009 22:10 To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted That is just hogwash in my opinion---the Drake Equation proves that life MUST exist elsewhere. Even the SETI scientists agree that LIFE is probably abundant! Absence of Evidence is NOT Evidence of Absence!! Kirk...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Whitmer" To: Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted > Eric: > > It's my belief that We Are Alone! There's nobody out there. Life and > intelligence is a singularity, a miracle, call it what you will, it only > happened once, here on good old Planet Earth. We are the Seed that will > spread throughout the Universe by Space Migration. It's our manifest > destiny and a matter of survival. Nobody knows how or why it happened, it > just did. It was either God or chance, take your pick. There are those > who claim otherwise, but they have yet to provide even the thinnest shred > of evidence. Those who make extraordinary claims must provide some > extraordinary evidence to back it up. And they never do! Not one person > abducted by ETs has ever grabbed an alien cellphone or anything else to > prove they were aboard an intergalactic space ship. > > The argument for aliens goes something like this: "Well there's billions > and billions of galaxies, one of them has to harbor life. It just has to! > You know, a billion monkeys typing for a billion years, and one of them > writes a Shakespearean Sonnet or the Book of Genesis, whatever. I think > they will just type gibberish for eternity. Life doesn't just pop up all > over the place. It can never be created in the laboratory. It's impossible > to make live stuff out of dead stuff! (Except for that one time.) > > This argument puts a lot of faith in Chance and the Laws of Probability. > Might as well say Yahweh or Brahma did it. Evolution guided by chance and > probability, how is that any different from chaos and total randomness? > > And why do the aliens always appear in trailer parks and never at Houston > Control, NAU, or the JPL? > > Now if I could see one bit of hard evidence, I would change my mind in a > minute. > > Just my dos pesos, > > Phil Whitmer > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email info at ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 From cynapse at charter.net Tue Aug 25 10:08:48 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:08:48 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Reality, Perception, Finiteness of Universe In-Reply-To: References: <4A935D77.8030202@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <11s7959i2ocrm1cv4tgo6952hkmnpfr6if@4ax.com> On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:54:45 -0700, you wrote: >For instance, I would imagine you saw The Matrix. Suppose everything >you see, hear, smell, taste, feel and think is simply illusion. >Your first response might be, "That's ridiculous! I can read the >words you've typed, I can feel the keys of my keyboard, I can hear >the whirr of the disk drive, smell dinner cooking, etc." But if >you're really honest with yourself, you'll come to the perhaps >unsettling realization that you can't prove ANY of it is real. A paper from a few years back: http://www.simulation-argument.com/ I must say, I do encounter people who don't pass the Turing test. From mark.ford at ssl.gb.com Tue Aug 25 09:18:30 2009 From: mark.ford at ssl.gb.com (Mark Ford) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:18:30 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C49724693@gamma.ssl.atw> References: <1460C238E22E48F8B75F4FBDAAA908ED@whitmerjbqtim1><89CFE5009EE64CA7A705A70D018CE795@owner55652f88b> <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C49724693@gamma.ssl.atw> Message-ID: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C49724695@gamma.ssl.atw> Drake says: N = R x Fp X ne X fl X Fi X fc X L my reckoning: 1 = 1 X 30% X 0.1 X 40% X 40% X 29% X 1000 Where R = The number of stars in a similar class to ours born each year Fp = Percentage of stars that for planets Ne = Number of planets for each star that have the right conditions for life Fl = Percentage of planets with suitable conditions for life to exist, which start life Fi = Percentage of planets with life that go on to develop intelligent life Fc = Percentage intelligent planets that develop communication technology L = Number of years each civilization survives for (in a communicable state) :. So no supprise we 'aint heard from no ET... (and imho, I'm being fairly optimistic about planets forming life supporting conditions) Mark > Eric: > > It's my belief that We Are Alone! There's nobody out there. Life and > intelligence is a singularity, a miracle, call it what you will, it only > happened once, here on good old Planet Earth. We are the Seed that will > spread throughout the Universe by Space Migration. It's our manifest > destiny and a matter of survival. Nobody knows how or why it happened, it > just did. It was either God or chance, take your pick. There are those > who claim otherwise, but they have yet to provide even the thinnest shred > of evidence. Those who make extraordinary claims must provide some > extraordinary evidence to back it up. And they never do! Not one person > abducted by ETs has ever grabbed an alien cellphone or anything else to > prove they were aboard an intergalactic space ship. > > The argument for aliens goes something like this: "Well there's billions > and billions of galaxies, one of them has to harbor life. It just has to! > You know, a billion monkeys typing for a billion years, and one of them > writes a Shakespearean Sonnet or the Book of Genesis, whatever. I think > they will just type gibberish for eternity. Life doesn't just pop up all > over the place. It can never be created in the laboratory. It's impossible > to make live stuff out of dead stuff! (Except for that one time.) > > This argument puts a lot of faith in Chance and the Laws of Probability. > Might as well say Yahweh or Brahma did it. Evolution guided by chance and > probability, how is that any different from chaos and total randomness? > > And why do the aliens always appear in trailer parks and never at Houston > Control, NAU, or the JPL? > > Now if I could see one bit of hard evidence, I would change my mind in a > minute. > > Just my dos pesos, > > Phil Whitmer > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email info at ssl.gb.com. 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GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr Tue Aug 25 09:40:28 2009 From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:40:28 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Trappists & fireballs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200908251330.n7PDUc3d005900@smtpmul.univ-mulhouse.fr> Hi David, Mark, Dirk, list, Gods can come to you..... In Belgium we have officially about 800 different brands of beer (unofficially something like 2000, some very local). Up to 14% strength available (but through special request). By far more than fireballs and meteorite falls! (olny 4 meteorite falls authenticated so far since 'free" Belgium exists (1830). (this last line is here to justify this post, that should be exclusively devoted to meteorites "and related" (Unless Art considers that "12%+ Trappist issue" is definitely a related topic ?....) My car is driving Mulhouse-Belgium back-and-forth every week and the trunk is not always full.... My car can then be called "God", if you are on visit here. It does not consume Trappists, just carries them.... One of the good opportunities for a visit can well be the Ensisheim blast...otherwise (and if you are in a hurry), just call (Christopher Cokinos know that very well....!) Also prepare your orders. Payment "in meteorites, cash" always possible, upon preliminary agreement (kidding). All always welcome ! (David got it this year, Dirk promised, Mike is invited, who else interested ? - Btw, Martin and Rob, I'll be at you later today...) Best, Zelimir At 15:30 24/08/2009, Peter Davidson wrote: >Mike > >Actually can we just skip the meteorite hunting and the chocolate and >concentrate on the case of Trappist Beer. I think if I could drink >enough of that 12% strength nectar, I could just about see anything I >want. > >Cheers > >Peter Davidson >Curator of Minerals > >National Museums Collection Centre >National Museums Scotland >242 West Granton Road >Edinburgh >EH5 1JA >Phone: +44 131 247 4283 >p.davidson at nms.ac.uk >www.nms.ac.uk > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike >Bandli >Sent: 21 August 2009 16:27 >To: 'drtanuki'; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update > >Belgian fireball? There is nothing I would want more than to stand in >line >at the Westvletren Monastery for a case of the Abt 12 Trappist Ale, and >to >have some fine chocolate, and to hunt meteorites all at the same time... >this would be heaven and those of you lucky enough to taste the Abt 12 >know >that this is the same beer that is consumed by the gods. > >Cheers, > >Mike Bandli > > >-----Original Message----- >From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of >drtanuki >Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 7:37 AM >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update > >Dear List, > >Major update on the Belgian bolide of 15AUG09: > >http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ > >Thank you Vincent from Belgium!! > >Dirk Ross...Tokyo Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Universit? de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr Tue Aug 25 09:43:37 2009 From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:43:37 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Trappists & fireballs In-Reply-To: <200908251330.n7PDUc3d005900@smtpmul.univ-mulhouse.fr> References: <200908251330.n7PDUc3d005900@smtpmul.univ-mulhouse.fr> Message-ID: <200908251333.n7PDXl0d005963@smtpmul.univ-mulhouse.fr> Sorry for mistake in the preceding post. Please replace "David" by "Peter". I confused with a "David Peterson" another friend of mine, also Trappist enthousiast... (Peter, I owe you some....chocolate!) Zelimir At 15:40 25/08/2009, Zelimir Gabelica wrote: >Hi David, Mark, Dirk, list, > >Gods can come to you..... > >In Belgium we have officially about 800 >different brands of beer (unofficially something >like 2000, some very local). Up to 14% strength >available (but through special request). >By far more than fireballs and meteorite falls! >(olny 4 meteorite falls authenticated so far >since 'free" Belgium exists (1830). >(this last line is here to justify this post, >that should be exclusively devoted to meteorites >"and related" (Unless Art considers that "12%+ >Trappist issue" is definitely a related topic ?....) > >My car is driving Mulhouse-Belgium >back-and-forth every week and the trunk is not always full.... >My car can then be called "God", if you are on >visit here. It does not consume Trappists, just carries them.... > >One of the good opportunities for a visit can >well be the Ensisheim blast...otherwise (and if >you are in a hurry), just call (Christopher Cokinos know that very well....!) >Also prepare your orders. Payment "in >meteorites, cash" always possible, upon preliminary agreement (kidding). > >All always welcome ! (David got it this year, >Dirk promised, Mike is invited, who else >interested ? - Btw, Martin and Rob, I'll be at you later today...) > >Best, > >Zelimir > > > >At 15:30 24/08/2009, Peter Davidson wrote: >>Mike >> >>Actually can we just skip the meteorite hunting and the chocolate and >>concentrate on the case of Trappist Beer. I think if I could drink >>enough of that 12% strength nectar, I could just about see anything I >>want. >> >>Cheers >> >>Peter Davidson >>Curator of Minerals >> >>National Museums Collection Centre >>National Museums Scotland >>242 West Granton Road >>Edinburgh >>EH5 1JA >>Phone: +44 131 247 4283 >>p.davidson at nms.ac.uk >>www.nms.ac.uk >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike >>Bandli >>Sent: 21 August 2009 16:27 >>To: 'drtanuki'; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update >> >>Belgian fireball? There is nothing I would want more than to stand in >>line >>at the Westvletren Monastery for a case of the Abt 12 Trappist Ale, and >>to >>have some fine chocolate, and to hunt meteorites all at the same time... >>this would be heaven and those of you lucky enough to taste the Abt 12 >>know >>that this is the same beer that is consumed by the gods. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Mike Bandli >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of >>drtanuki >>Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 7:37 AM >>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >>Subject: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update >> >>Dear List, >> >>Major update on the Belgian bolide of 15AUG09: >> >>http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ >> >>Thank you Vincent from Belgium!! >> >>Dirk Ross...Tokyo > >Prof. Zelimir Gabelica >Universit? de Haute Alsace >ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, >3, Rue A. Werner, >F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France >Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 >Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Universit? de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 From dak_mar at live.concordia.ca Tue Aug 25 09:57:09 2009 From: dak_mar at live.concordia.ca (DEBORAH ANNE K. MARTIN) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:57:09 +0000 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36270F4FD6A54547A19A06C178A7BA010960CC56@BL2PRD0102MB005.prod.exchangelabs.com> This is an urban legend. Walt Disney was cremated. Andre Bordeleau ________________________________________ From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] on behalf of Phil Whitmer [prairiecactus at rtcol.com] Sent: August 25, 2009 1:58 AM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted Darren: That's funny! But realistically, the percentage is much lower if you figure in the complete lack of evidence for life on the Moon, Mars, all the other planets and their moons, the Sun, all the asteroids, all the comets, and any other stuff that might be hanging around the edges of the Solar System. If there is no evidence for life anywhere in the entire Solar System, (that I know of), even on such a life friendly place as Mars, then maybe life doesn't just pop into existence just because conditions are right. Maybe it is just a one time thing. I wish I could afford to be cryogenically frozen like Walt Disney and wake up in a few million years to find out! Phil Whitmer ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From schoner at mybluelight.com Tue Aug 25 09:56:59 2009 From: schoner at mybluelight.com (Steve Schoner) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:56:59 GMT Subject: [meteorite-list] Six Year Old finds meteorite? UGH! Message-ID: <20090825.075659.21334.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> I just saw this this morning. What a bunch of rubbish. More to confuse the un-informed, with Ebay prices to boot! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6063717/Six-year-old-boy-finds-meteorite-in-his-garden.html Tell me, does that look like a meteorite? Don't think so. Steve Schoner ____________________________________________________________ Wanna lose weight? Weight Loss Programs that work. 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Sante Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.davidson at nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: Zelimir Gabelica [mailto:Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr] Sent: 25 August 2009 14:40 To: Peter Davidson; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Trappists & fireballs Hi David, Mark, Dirk, list, Gods can come to you..... In Belgium we have officially about 800 different brands of beer (unofficially something like 2000, some very local). Up to 14% strength available (but through special request). By far more than fireballs and meteorite falls! (olny 4 meteorite falls authenticated so far since 'free" Belgium exists (1830). (this last line is here to justify this post, that should be exclusively devoted to meteorites "and related" (Unless Art considers that "12%+ Trappist issue" is definitely a related topic ?....) My car is driving Mulhouse-Belgium back-and-forth every week and the trunk is not always full.... My car can then be called "God", if you are on visit here. It does not consume Trappists, just carries them.... One of the good opportunities for a visit can well be the Ensisheim blast...otherwise (and if you are in a hurry), just call (Christopher Cokinos know that very well....!) Also prepare your orders. Payment "in meteorites, cash" always possible, upon preliminary agreement (kidding). All always welcome ! (David got it this year, Dirk promised, Mike is invited, who else interested ? - Btw, Martin and Rob, I'll be at you later today...) Best, Zelimir At 15:30 24/08/2009, Peter Davidson wrote: >Mike > >Actually can we just skip the meteorite hunting and the chocolate and >concentrate on the case of Trappist Beer. I think if I could drink >enough of that 12% strength nectar, I could just about see anything I >want. > >Cheers > >Peter Davidson >Curator of Minerals > >National Museums Collection Centre >National Museums Scotland >242 West Granton Road >Edinburgh >EH5 1JA >Phone: +44 131 247 4283 >p.davidson at nms.ac.uk >www.nms.ac.uk > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike >Bandli >Sent: 21 August 2009 16:27 >To: 'drtanuki'; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update > >Belgian fireball? There is nothing I would want more than to stand in >line >at the Westvletren Monastery for a case of the Abt 12 Trappist Ale, and >to >have some fine chocolate, and to hunt meteorites all at the same time... >this would be heaven and those of you lucky enough to taste the Abt 12 >know >that this is the same beer that is consumed by the gods. > >Cheers, > >Mike Bandli > > >-----Original Message----- >From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of >drtanuki >Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 7:37 AM >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Belgian Fireball of 15AUG09 update > >Dear List, > >Major update on the Belgian bolide of 15AUG09: > >http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ > >Thank you Vincent from Belgium!! > >Dirk Ross...Tokyo Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Universit? de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. 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From bandk at chorus.net Tue Aug 25 10:18:23 2009 From: bandk at chorus.net (Becky and Kirk) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:18:23 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted References: <43C9BE6042454D40BC6A2B1248722E53@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: <1854CA7BB28D469EA2C43E066FC8A942@owner55652f88b> Seems to me that the Mars rovers have pretty much proved that at one time Mars probably supported life based on their findings and observations---and that is right in our own back yard! Kirk......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Whitmer" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:24 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted > To all listees pondering the Eternal Verities: > > Just because the Universe is really big is not an argument that there is > Life out there. The Ocean is really big, but that's not an argument for > the existence of a Loch Ness monster or any other species of pleisosaur. > I have to actually see a unicorn before I'll believe that they exist. I'm > Old School, I have to actually see a visible light photograph of just one > of these supposed googols of Earth like planets. All I've heard is pure > speculation, forumulae, projections of our loneliness, (there has to be > someone out there!) extrapolations, computer models, mathematical > probabilities, etc. Still waiting on the evidence! Not proof, just a > simple tiny shred of evidence. One simple SOS in Morse Code on any one of > the billions and billions of channels monitered by Seti. One peer > reviewed, in focus, well lit, properly exposed photograph of an actual > flying saucer. One little tiny fossil in a meteorite. Anything! Closer to > home, I'm still waiting for anything at all from the Mars probes. Just > one incontrovertible shred of evidence where all the scientists go: "Yes, > there's life on Mars!" Until I see this evidence I have to conclude that > on the closest planet that was once very Earth like, there is no sign of > life. If we can't even find it on Mars, which should have been teeming > with life, which should have left tons of evidence which should have been > found by now, then I must conclude that the Universe is a vast lifeless > place. > > The only life that I can verify by empirical evidence is right here on > this planet. You can do all the thought experiments you want, in your > imagination you can populate the entire vast Universe with bacteria, or > Star Trek/Star Wars like critters, whatever you like, it's all pure > speculation. All that we know for sure is that is Life here on Earth. > Plenty of it. The problem is nobody knows where it came from. Nobody is > really sure even what it is. Can someone tell me what the Life Force is > that differentiates living things from inanimate objects? Is it Chi?, Ki? > Prana? What the heck is it? Did it originate here on Earth. (I think it > did.) If it did, then how did that first coacervate of organic molecules > become alive in the first place? How did it know how to assemble a strand > of self replicating RNA? At exactly what point did the Life Force enter > this assemblage of non living stuff? Don't even get me started on the > Miracle of Intelligence/Consciousness! As if anyone knows what that little > voice in your head is! > > This should be pretty simple stuff to figure out, even for a young, dumb > species like homo sapiens. After all, it happened right here on our home > planet just a few billion years ago right under our noses. People will > tell you otherwise, but we don't have a clue as to what life is or how it > got started. Until these basic questions about the origins of life on > our own planet are answered I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves > by believing in aliens. Little green men or tall gray men, I have to see > one to believe in them. > > Dos mas pesos, > > Phil Whitmer > > Nota bene: Of course I could be completely wrong and Dr. Edgar Mitchell > could be completely right! > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From schoner at mybluelight.com Tue Aug 25 10:20:11 2009 From: schoner at mybluelight.com (Steve Schoner) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:20:11 GMT Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien life? or Fungus from space? Message-ID: <20090825.082011.21334.2@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Alien life discussion is interesting, but, this is what our cities look like from space: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/5973258/Cities-at-night-from-space-photographed-by-NASA-astronauts-on-the-International-Space-Station.html Looks like mold. Our planet is rotting! Steve Schoner IMCA #447m ____________________________________________________________ Shop & save on the supplements you want. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/BLSrjpdohpFmlD1bl8g9IAEv8JJcrpp8m0eXTSNn09eRf1SYg1yffvBiQzG/ From drtanuki at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 10:22:28 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Six Year Old finds meteorite? UGH! Message-ID: <947751.20164.qm@web53108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Steve and List, > ? We have since 2002 or so been bombarded with false > news reports about meteorites being seen to fall, hitting > houses and people and etc. > Here is a link to the 2002 case: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2218755.stm > If anyone would like to keep current with the Worldwide > Meteor/Meteorite Mews (TM), most daily or more, either add > yourself as a follower to the weblog or sign up for RSS feed > from the weblog page.? Followers and RSS provides > subscribers to get the first published version of any post > as soon as the post is made on the site.? OR continue > to check the weblog anytime you wish. Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html > Thank you!? Dirk Ross..Tokyo > > --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Steve Schoner > wrote: > > > From: Steve Schoner > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Six Year Old finds > meteorite?? UGH! > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 10:56 PM > > I just saw this this > > morning.???What a bunch of > > rubbish.???More to confuse the un-informed, > > with Ebay prices to boot! > > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6063717/Six-year-old-boy-finds-meteorite-in-his-garden.html > > > > Tell me, does that look like a meteorite? > > > > Don't think so. > > > > Steve Schoner > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Wanna lose weight?? Weight Loss Programs that work. > > Click here. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/BLSrjpdf49oZzsomQxR9Jlh6iyk9EnSWRRmqPGGHNXmwEApf4EIP0tPM8K0/ > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > From drtanuki at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 10:42:33 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien life? or Fungus from space? In-Reply-To: <20090825.082011.21334.2@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <9718.37875.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Steve, Your observation is not far from the truth. Large areas of native untouched lands are daily destroyed to build houses and other needless constructions worldwide. The human worldwide population is far beyond what the Earth safely can support and Earth is faced with a very virulent form of life that is life threatening for 99% of all life on the planet- minus the bacteria, molds, and a number of other human resistant life forms. The most destructive and dangerous lifeform on Earth- humans! Best, Dirk...Tokyo --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Steve Schoner wrote: > From: Steve Schoner > Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien life? or Fungus from space? > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 11:20 PM > Alien life discussion is interesting, > but, this is what our cities look like from space: > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/5973258/Cities-at-night-from-space-photographed-by-NASA-astronauts-on-the-International-Space-Station.html > > Looks like mold. > > Our planet is rotting! > > Steve Schoner > IMCA #447m > > ____________________________________________________________ > Shop & save on the supplements you want. Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/BLSrjpdohpFmlD1bl8g9IAEv8JJcrpp8m0eXTSNn09eRf1SYg1yffvBiQzG/ > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mike.hankey at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 10:58:49 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:58:49 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] On the other hand... In-Reply-To: <4A939B30.6030304@meteoritesusa.com> References: <4A939B30.6030304@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon. Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: > :) > > Like I said it's endless... I guess I'm not smart enough to figure out if > we're really real or not, but that's not "really" what I care about. I care > about knowledge. That's what I seek in my never ending quest for > understanding. > > Now regardless of the reality of our own existence, knowledge is real. We > are conscious, aware, and we think? Someone said that already though didn't > they, a guy that was probably way smarter than me. A quick search and I > realize it was Rene Descartes that said it first. > > Matter does exist, or rather we perceive the effects of matter to be > measurable. Even if it is only in our minds. We see it, touch it, feel it, > experience it, mold it, form it, and in some cases are controlled by it and > surrounded by it. > > Does it matter? ;) Yes. because if matter isn't real, then your argument is > moot. And if your argument is moot, then it doesn't matter, because our > perception of the effects of matter is one that not only makes it exist, but > makes it measurable. Does that make sense? > > Our own senses and the observable effects that our brains control tells me > that when I drop that meteorite on my foot it's gonna hurt. And it would in > fact cause measurable physical damage. Which is an effect we perceive. We do > in fact think, Therefore our own thoughts are our proof that we exist. > > If you perceive something to be real, it is... Even if only in your own > mind. > > Does this mean we're all having one mass hallucination? ;) > > Regards, > Eric > > > > > Rob Matson wrote: >>> >>> ... there is no way for you to prove that I exist or you exist, >>> or anything that you experience is real. >>> >> >> You might want to try a modern, meteoritical spin on the rhetorical >> approach taken by Samuel Johnson in the 18th century, when he responded >> to Bishop Berkeley's claim that matter doesn't exist, but only ~seems~ >> to. Just drop a 10-kilo Campo on your foot from a height of one meter >> and proudly announce, "I refute it thus!" (and then have someone take >> you to the hospital) ?;-) ?--Rob >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From rsvp321 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 25 11:04:46 2009 From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:04:46 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien life? or Fungus from space? In-Reply-To: <9718.37875.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20090825.082011.21334.2@webmail11.dca.untd.com> <9718.37875.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Dirk, and List; I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I've realized that you are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment. But you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague. And we are... the cure. ...Agent Smith: The Matrix ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:42:33 -0700 > From: drtanuki at yahoo.com > To: schoner at mybluelight.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien life? or Fungus from space? > > Steve, > Your observation is not far from the truth. Large areas of native untouched lands are daily destroyed to build houses and other needless constructions worldwide. The human worldwide population is far beyond what the Earth safely can support and Earth is faced with a very virulent form of life that is life threatening for 99% of all life on the planet- minus the bacteria, molds, and a number of other human resistant life forms. The most destructive and dangerous lifeform on Earth- humans! > > Best, Dirk...Tokyo > > --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Steve Schoner wrote: > >> From: Steve Schoner >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien life? or Fungus from space? >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 11:20 PM >> Alien life discussion is interesting, >> but, this is what our cities look like from space: >> >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/5973258/Cities-at-night-from-space-photographed-by-NASA-astronauts-on-the-International-Space-Station.html >> >> Looks like mold. >> >> Our planet is rotting! >> >> Steve Schoner >> IMCA #447m >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Shop & save on the supplements you want. Click now! >> http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/BLSrjpdohpFmlD1bl8g9IAEv8JJcrpp8m0eXTSNn09eRf1SYg1yffvBiQzG/ >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive email from all of your webmail accounts. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671356 From meteoritekid at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 11:01:23 2009 From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:01:23 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] On the other hand... In-Reply-To: <4A939B30.6030304@meteoritesusa.com> References: <4A939B30.6030304@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <93aaac890908250801t10404107h379960d4e46e89ec@mail.gmail.com> Hola Eric, Rob, > Like I said it's endless... I guess I'm not smart enough to figure out if > we're really real or not, but that's not "really" what I care about. I care > about knowledge. That's what I seek in my never ending quest for > understanding. Pfft - it's just being able to stand back - and being willing to look at things from a different angle. Props for the knowledge bit though; not everyone's willing to say that. > Now regardless of the reality of our own existence, knowledge is real. If you're going to *assume* that to be true to back up your argument that we're real, then you're just using circular reasoning. If we're assuming that matter can't be proven real, and knowledge is a construct of non-real material minds, then there really is nothing to say that knowledge is the least bit real. See Rob's analogy where he references The Matrix. > We are conscious, aware, and we think? > Someone said that already though didn't > they, a guy that was probably way smarter than me. A quick search and I > realize it was Rene Descartes that said it first. > Matter does exist, or rather we perceive the effects of matter to be > measurable. Even if it is only in our minds. We see it, touch it, feel it, > experience it, mold it, form it, and in some cases are controlled by it and > surrounded by it. > Does it matter? ;) Yes. because if matter isn't real, then your argument is > moot. And if your argument is moot, then it doesn't matter, because our > perception of the effects of matter is one that not only makes it exist, but > makes it measurable. Does that make sense? I thought Rob's main point was that there's no proving that matter exists. What you seem to be saying is that from a perceptual point of view, the question is irrelevant, because we observe "matter" and because our observations of matter "makes it measurable." Not sure exactly what you mean there, but I'm assuming that you're talking about the perceived regularity in the behavior of matter we can observe...? This is nothing more than a philosophical argument, though. Yes, for all intensive purposes, for humanity's sake, we should probably assume that the observable universe is, in fact, real. But you do note above that you care about knowledge. If that is true, you should detest Descartes' point of view on the matter, because he's willing to say "I don't know - and look - it doesn't matter!" If your true goal is knowledge, Descartes, at least in this case, is your enemy. > Our own senses and the observable effects that our brains control tells me > that when I drop that meteorite on my foot it's gonna hurt. And it would in > fact cause measurable physical damage. Which is an effect we perceive. We do > in fact think, Therefore our own thoughts are our proof that we exist. No. You're misinterpreting Descartes, if you did state his argument clearly - from what you said, his point would suggest not that the foot or the meteorite were actually real, but rather that the effect of one upon the other would relegate the argument either way as irrelevant - especially to whomever the foot belongs. Descartes' point pretty much says that there's no reason to question existence, because...well, you can stand there asking yourself if the mangled foot is real, or you can just assume it is and go to the hospital. A logical point of view, but not one than answers the question of existence. > If you perceive something to be real, it is... Even if only in your own > mind. Right. Even if only in your own mind. I think we've all been lied to at one point or another by another person after all, never mind by the misconceptions of the entire human race... > Does this mean we're all having one mass hallucination? ;) Well, exactly... Best, Jason > Regards, > Eric > > > > > Rob Matson wrote: >>> >>> ... there is no way for you to prove that I exist or you exist, >>> or anything that you experience is real. >>> >> >> You might want to try a modern, meteoritical spin on the rhetorical >> approach taken by Samuel Johnson in the 18th century, when he responded >> to Bishop Berkeley's claim that matter doesn't exist, but only ~seems~ >> to. Just drop a 10-kilo Campo on your foot from a height of one meter >> and proudly announce, "I refute it thus!" (and then have someone take >> you to the hospital) ?;-) ?--Rob >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mike.hankey at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 11:27:18 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:27:18 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <43C9BE6042454D40BC6A2B1248722E53@whitmerjbqtim1> References: <43C9BE6042454D40BC6A2B1248722E53@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: Phil, > Little green men or tall gray men, I have to see one to believe in them. Here is the evidence you seek: http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/steve-arnold-with-alien.jpg I hope that clears things up for you. Mike Hankey http://www.mikesastrophotos.com On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Phil Whitmer wrote: > To all listees pondering the Eternal Verities: > > Just because the Universe is really big is not an argument that there is > Life out there. ?The Ocean is really big, but that's not an argument for the > existence of a Loch Ness monster or any other species of ? pleisosaur. ?I > have to actually see a unicorn before I'll believe that they exist. ?I'm Old > School, ?I have to actually see a visible light photograph of just one of > these supposed googols of Earth like planets. All I've heard is pure > speculation, forumulae, projections of our loneliness, (there has to be > someone out there!) extrapolations, computer models, mathematical > probabilities, etc. ?Still waiting on the evidence! ?Not proof, just a > simple tiny shred of evidence. One simple SOS in Morse Code on any one of > the billions and billions of channels monitered by Seti. One peer reviewed, > in focus, well lit, properly exposed photograph of an actual flying saucer. > One little tiny fossil in a meteorite. Anything! ?Closer to home, I'm still > waiting for anything at all from the Mars probes. ?Just one incontrovertible > shred of evidence where all the scientists go: "Yes, there's life on Mars!" > Until I see this evidence I have to conclude that on the closest planet that > was once very ?Earth like, there is no sign of life. If we can't even find > it on Mars, ?which should have been teeming with life, which should have > left tons of evidence which should have been found by now, then I must > conclude that the Universe is a vast lifeless place. > > The only life that I can verify by empirical evidence is right here on this > planet. You can do all the thought experiments you want, in your imagination > you can populate the entire vast Universe with bacteria, or Star Trek/Star > Wars like critters, whatever you like, it's all pure speculation. All that > we know for sure is that is Life here on Earth. ?Plenty of it. The problem > is nobody knows where it came from. Nobody is really sure even what it is. > Can someone tell me what ?the Life Force is that differentiates living > things from inanimate objects? Is it Chi?, Ki? Prana? ?What the heck is it? > Did it originate here on Earth. ?(I think it did.) ?If it did, then how did > that first coacervate of organic molecules become alive in the first place? > How did it know how to assemble a strand of self replicating RNA? At exactly > what point did the Life Force enter this assemblage of non living stuff? > Don't even get me started on the Miracle of Intelligence/Consciousness! As > if anyone knows what that little voice in your head is! > > This should be pretty simple stuff to figure out, even for a young, dumb > species like homo sapiens. ?After all, it happened right here on our home > planet just a few billion years ago right under our noses. ?People will tell > you otherwise, but we don't have a clue as to what life is or how it got > started. ? Until these basic questions about the origins of life on our own > planet are answered ?I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves by > believing in aliens. Little green men or tall gray men, I have to see one to > believe in them. > > Dos mas pesos, > > Phil Whitmer > > Nota bene: ?Of course I could be completely wrong and Dr. Edgar Mitchell > could be completely right! > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From meteoritekid at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 11:04:59 2009 From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:04:59 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] To Answer Steve's Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93aaac890908250804m1fa1e091md4da923a937cce10@mail.gmail.com> Hola All, I've seen a few examples, and one is viewable online (it's for sale, oddly enough) on Marcin's Gao page: http://www.gao-guenie.com/gao_oriented.htm If you scroll down a bit, it's on the right side - it's hard to miss the "HOLE!!!!" note in the photograph - click for better pics. It looks like the thick fusion crust on the trailing edge of the stone formed a natural bridge between two protuberances. Regards, Jason On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:20 PM, wrote: > Dr. King had a Nuevo Mercurio in his collection, ?about 25 grams in size, > that had a hole in it. It was fully crusted, and ?the hole was big enough to > run a fishing line through. > > Steve ?Arnold > of "Meteorite Men" > > > In a message dated 8/22/2009 10:04:45 ?P.M. Central Daylight Time, > anitawestlake at att.net writes: > Dear ?List: > I think it would be helpful if someone not only answered ?Steve's question, > but provided proof of the holiness of non-iron rocks. > I hope this helps, > Anita > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From prairiecactus at rtcol.com Tue Aug 25 11:50:22 2009 From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com (Phil Whitmer) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:50:22 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted Message-ID: <65A092784AE046578077026EF8B7BFA3@whitmerjbqtim1> Mike: OK, now I believe in the tall gray men from outer space men, now prove to me the existence of little green men! LOL, Phil From grf2 at comcast.net Tue Aug 25 11:52:34 2009 From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:52:34 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Reality, Perception, Finiteness of Universe References: Message-ID: Hummmm---Do I hear the faint echoes of a seventeenth century discussion where Descartes replies, "I think, therefore, I am. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rob Matson" Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:54 AM To: "Meteorites USA" ; "Matson, Robert D." Cc: Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Reality, Perception, Finiteness of Universe > Hi Eric, > >> We're not talking about certainty. You certainly exist >> physically. Philosophy is not certainty. > > Much as I'd like to agree with you, there is no way for you to > prove that I exist or you exist, or anything that you experience > is real. That is the nature of philosophical introspection; the > realization that you may not be able to trust your own senses. > > For instance, I would imagine you saw The Matrix. Suppose everything > you see, hear, smell, taste, feel and think is simply illusion. > Your first response might be, "That's ridiculous! I can read the > words you've typed, I can feel the keys of my keyboard, I can hear > the whirr of the disk drive, smell dinner cooking, etc." But if > you're really honest with yourself, you'll come to the perhaps > unsettling realization that you can't prove ANY of it is real. > > ~Intellectually~ you reason that you are made up of billions of > cells, that these cells are themselves constructed of various > molecules, that the molecules can be broken down into atoms, the > atoms into subatomic particles, and so on. But what are the > fundamental building blocks of matter? They are really nothing > more than a set of mathematical constructs invented by humans > that try to match the "reality" that they observe. Again, very > suspect, and not surprisingly our macroscopic notions of reality > do not work so well in the realm of the very small. > > If you really want to get a "reality check" (pun intended), read > up on Bell's Theorem, and the various experiments that show Bell's > inequalities are violated, quantum mechanics is correct, and > therefore the notion of "local realism" is disproven. > > But I'm getting off the subject a bit... > > Earlier I wrote: > >> "...The universe is large (not to mention growing), but it is >> nevertheless finite..." > > You replied: > >> Really? Is there proof of its limited scope? > > If you ascribe to the Big Bang Theory, then the Universe is finite > by definition. > >> We can only see so far... Every few years we can see further. > > But what you may not know (don't feel bad, most people don't) is that > the Universe is expanding at a rate considerably faster than the speed > of light, and therefore the fraction of the total Universe that we can > observe is getting smaller and smaller with time. There will reach a > time in the distant future where we can only see our local cluster of > galaxies -- the rest of the Universe will be closed off to us forever. > > Best, > Rob > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mike.hankey at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 12:08:29 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:08:29 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted In-Reply-To: <65A092784AE046578077026EF8B7BFA3@whitmerjbqtim1> References: <65A092784AE046578077026EF8B7BFA3@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: Phil, Here is the proof you are looking for: http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/proof-aliens-exist.jpg Mike Hankey http://www.mikesastrophotos.com On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Phil Whitmer wrote: > Mike: ?OK, now I believe in the tall gray men from outer space men, ?now > prove to me the existence of little green men! > > LOL, > Phil > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From cynapse at charter.net Tue Aug 25 13:25:03 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:25:03 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted-- books In-Reply-To: <65A092784AE046578077026EF8B7BFA3@whitmerjbqtim1> References: <65A092784AE046578077026EF8B7BFA3@whitmerjbqtim1> Message-ID: I've recently been downloading science books from a huge number available on a web site (http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/science_books) and have picked out some that are either directly about the possibilities of extraterrestrial life (both pro and con) or are about exoplanets in general. I've archived them together here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/dyap00 Of course, you probably won't want to read whole books from your computer screen, but these can give you a sampling for what you can look for in a book store or library (toss a few coins the author's way, I'm sure they need it.) List of books in the archive: A Decade of Extrasolar Planets Around Normal Stars Exoplanets- Detection, Formation, Properties, Habitability Extrasolar Planets - Formation, Detection and Dynamics Extrasolar Planets Fitness of the Cosmos for Life Habitable Planets for Man If the Universe is Teeming With Aliens Where Is Everybody? Just 6 Numbers-- the Forces that Shape the Universe Life Everywhere Life in the Universe Lonely Planets-- The Natural Philosophy of Alien Life Prebiotic Evolution and Astrobiology Rare Earth-- Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe Terraforming-- the Creating of Habitible Worlds The Crowded Universe-The Search for Living Planets The New Worlds Extrasolar Planets The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence The Search for Life Continued From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Tue Aug 25 13:13:32 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:13:32 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] test Message-ID: test _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 From stalderli at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 13:35:46 2009 From: stalderli at gmail.com (Thomas Gmail) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:35:46 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Libyan Desert Glass ending in 1hr on Ebay Message-ID: <4A9420F2.4050706@gmail.com> Dear List, I have a few very nice GEM quality LDG on E-Bay right now, still at low bids. Ending in about 1hr. Also 1cm scale cubes still available. Have a look if interested. Thank you and have a great day. Thomas www.sahara-gems.com http://stores.shop.ebay.com/SAHARAGEMS-DESERT-STONES-AND-MORE__W0QQ_armrsZ1 From eric at meteoritesusa.com Tue Aug 25 14:25:14 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:25:14 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien life? or Fungus from space? Or VIRAL HUMANITY? In-Reply-To: <20090825.082011.21334.2@webmail11.dca.untd.com> References: <20090825.082011.21334.2@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <4A942C8A.40206@meteoritesusa.com> Interesting perspective. I always thought it looked rather like bacteria growth in a petri dish. Kinda sad really. Maybe you're right. Maybe we are parasites on the earth. Using up Earth's natural resources, devouring the planet, and chewing up the growth media that is the land. When we're finished maybe we'll start to devour ourselves, notwithstanding we might even destroy ourselves completely with fire by war as the disease of humanity spreads forth across the Earth. Hmmm... Ok maybe that's a little melodramatic and over the top, but when viewed from space and outside our little bubble of Earth, it's certainly easy to see we're having a great impact on our planet. What if these aliens we we're talking about are way more technologically advanced by millions of years of adaptation and genetic engineering enough to have evolved their thought processes to see early human, or humanoid life as threats to developing planets? If extra terrestrial life exists and they are much more technologically and intellectually advanced than us, we might be in trouble if they ever come visit. What if we are the virus that infests the living cells of the universe called planets? I've seen video animations or simulations of what our universe looks like from the outside as the camera slowly zooms out from our planet showing first our system, then other systems, then our own galaxy, galaxy clusters, and large dark voids between clusters, and finally what seem to be pathways between these super clusters of galaxies which are not unlike the neural pathways in our own brains. Are we merely a virus, living on a brain cell of a larger living organism? Gives a new perspective on Rob's earlier comment that our reality isn't really real. Maybe it's just relative... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA Steve Schoner wrote: > Alien life discussion is interesting, but, this is what our cities look like from space: > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/5973258/Cities-at-night-from-space-photographed-by-NASA-astronauts-on-the-International-Space-Station.html > > Looks like mold. > > Our planet is rotting! > > Steve Schoner > IMCA #447m > > ____________________________________________________________ > Shop & save on the supplements you want. 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If you missed out on last year's issues, here is your chance to catch up. There is some great stuff in these magazines - too many articles and highlights to list here. 2) 1987 UK-Hardcover edition of Kathleen Mark's "Meteorite Craters" - I've always preferred this old vintage-type cover art compared to the newer editions that have a stock photo of Meteor Crater on them. This book is crisp, tight and clean - with only a couple of minor bends on the dustjackets. 3) MAPS Journal from June 2009. This is the official journal of the Meteoritical Society and it contains the latest papers on all things meteoritical. Here is your chance to get a copy of this journal if you are not a member. NOTE - the price for this lot includes FREE PRIORITY SHIPPING TO ANYWHERE IN THE CONUS OR CANADA. Shipping to Europe or other Overseas destinations will extra - contact me for a quote. 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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 14:50:07 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] nwa 482 for trade Message-ID: <674665.3904.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all.I have a .164 gram part slice of NWA 482 lunar for trade.I am either looking for a slice of nwa 1109,a nice size taza or a slice of estherville.Please off list. ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From GeoZay at aol.com Tue Aug 25 15:17:48 2009 From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:17:48 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Have a Gut Feeling Message-ID: Hello everyone...I got this gut feeling that several of our list members are out in Pennsylvania looking for a Mason/Dixon meteorite or two. Little tidbits embedded(and not embedded) in various emails seems to point that way to me. I'm just guessing, but I think Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men and Geoff Notkin might be there as well as Mike Farmer. It seems that Eric Wichman was there, but is back. Perhaps Reuben is there too? Anyhow...I could be off, but the guessing is fun. Good Luck.... :O) GeoZay From eric at meteoritesusa.com Tue Aug 25 15:20:29 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:20:29 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Viral Humanity, Insignificant Denial. Evolution of Thought & Knowledge In-Reply-To: <4A942C8A.40206@meteoritesusa.com> References: <20090825.082011.21334.2@webmail11.dca.untd.com> <4A942C8A.40206@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <4A94397D.2050800@meteoritesusa.com> Hi everyone, A Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7wNQw12l8 Though I disagree with the narrators obvious bias of capable human understanding, I think I can look past that and view the universe for what it is, and what we are to the universe in scale, both in size and time. We are in fact minuscule and insignificant when compared to the vastness of our known universe. Our lives, averaging only 70-80 years long, would not show so much leas a blip on the plotted timeline of our galaxy alone, much less the the entire universe. Light itself travels 186,000 miles per second. Do most people really understand how fast that truly is? Do people realize how long it would take to travel ANYWHERE in our universe? Do most people realize that when they look out at night and see the stars we love so much that they are looking "Back in Time"? Stars are literally a window to our past, and the door to the future. Granted, our argument for contact with alien life usually is accompanied by the assumptive prediction that it might be more technologically advanced than us... but what about something more close to home. We're here! We do exist (aside from philosophy). And our universe is real. and huge. How the hell can someone actually believe that we are the only living intelligent beings capable of technological advancement? That seems right along the understanding and wave length of the 13 and 14th century explorers who thought the world was flat, and the fact that we thought the Sun revolved around us, or ancient beliefs that the stars were gods! Our understanding is growing everyday. The size of the universe and our part in it is not fully understood. Yet... Our insignificance is only outweighed by our ignorance. Though some might argue that it's our arrogant assumption of significance that dictates our understanding. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA P.S. I think I'm all philosphied out right now... ;) Meteorites USA wrote: > Interesting perspective. I always thought it looked rather like > bacteria growth in a petri dish. > > Kinda sad really. Maybe you're right. Maybe we are parasites on the > earth. Using up Earth's natural resources, devouring the planet, and > chewing up the growth media that is the land. When we're finished > maybe we'll start to devour ourselves, notwithstanding we might even > destroy ourselves completely with fire by war as the disease of > humanity spreads forth across the Earth. > > Hmmm... Ok maybe that's a little melodramatic and over the top, but > when viewed from space and outside our little bubble of Earth, it's > certainly easy to see we're having a great impact on our planet. > > What if these aliens we we're talking about are way more > technologically advanced by millions of years of adaptation and > genetic engineering enough to have evolved their thought processes to > see early human, or humanoid life as threats to developing planets? If > extra terrestrial life exists and they are much more technologically > and intellectually advanced than us, we might be in trouble if they > ever come visit. > > What if we are the virus that infests the living cells of the universe > called planets? I've seen video animations or simulations of what our > universe looks like from the outside as the camera slowly zooms out > from our planet showing first our system, then other systems, then our > own galaxy, galaxy clusters, and large dark voids between clusters, > and finally what seem to be pathways between these super clusters of > galaxies which are not unlike the neural pathways in our own brains. > > Are we merely a virus, living on a brain cell of a larger living > organism? > > Gives a new perspective on Rob's earlier comment that our reality > isn't really real. > > Maybe it's just relative... > > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA > > > > > Steve Schoner wrote: >> Alien life discussion is interesting, but, this is what our cities >> look like from space: >> >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/5973258/Cities-at-night-from-space-photographed-by-NASA-astronauts-on-the-International-Space-Station.html >> >> >> Looks like mold. >> >> Our planet is rotting! >> >> Steve Schoner >> IMCA #447m >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Shop & save on the supplements you want. Click now! >> http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/BLSrjpdohpFmlD1bl8g9IAEv8JJcrpp8m0eXTSNn09eRf1SYg1yffvBiQzG/ >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mike.hankey at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 15:23:41 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:23:41 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Have a Gut Feeling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting, it would be great if they were, but I got the impression that none of the 'professional' meteorite hunters wanted to look for this one as the terrain was too difficult / the chances of recovery were too slim. All of the people you mention with the exception of farmer have pretty much told me they aren't interested unless something dramatically changes. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 3:17 PM, wrote: > > Hello everyone...I got this gut feeling that ?several of our list members > are out in Pennsylvania looking for a Mason/Dixon ?meteorite or two. Little > tidbits embedded(and not embedded) in various emails ?seems to point that way > to me. I'm just guessing, but I think Steve Arnold of ?Meteorite Men and > Geoff Notkin might be there as well as Mike Farmer. It seems ?that Eric > Wichman was there, but is back. Perhaps Reuben is there too? ?Anyhow...I could be > off, but the guessing is fun. Good Luck.... :O) > GeoZay > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From GeoZay at aol.com Tue Aug 25 15:32:01 2009 From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:32:01 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Have a Gut Feeling Message-ID: >>Interesting, it would be great if they were, but I got the impression that none of the 'professional' meteorite hunters wanted to look for this one as the terrain was too difficult / the chances of recovery were too slim. All of the people you mention with the exception of farmer have pretty much told me they aren't interested unless something dramatically changes.<< Well...there goes that hunch. :O) What thru me off was a posting by you leading to a photo showing an "alien" image in the bushes with what looked like Steve Arnold (meteorite Men) in the foreground...with who I assumed was you, looking at a map. Then someone asked if they had seen you and Mike Farmer in the same room to note their simularities...which got me to thinking that perhaps you guys were indeed seen together. As for everyone else...pure speculation. :O) As for the difficult terrain to look for a meteorite...I thought the possible recovery area was suppose to be in Amish corn fields? Oh well... GeoZay From marie.m.osterberg at telia.com Tue Aug 25 14:26:02 2009 From: marie.m.osterberg at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_=D6sterberg?=) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:26:02 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite fell in front of children Message-ID: <5385E244D1A9498E9D6C7555B0259987@thomaslemjmqar> Hi Dirk, Just glad to see that you have posted this little cute story at your news weblog :-) Just a remark, the text in the last paragraph reflects my own personal opinion, after having looking closer at the picture of the "meteorite". Anyway, I will post any additional information to this story on the list. Now to some other Scottish whiskies that can be used to facilitate the prononciation of Finnish - samic words. I can warmly reccomend this two (and they are also easy to prononce!!): Glenrothes 72 (bottled march 29, 2004, Signatory Vintage) Rosebank 90 (Duncan Taylor & Co) Happy hunting! Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "drtanuki" To: "Thomas ?sterberg" Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fell in front of children Dear Thomas, Thank you for your report! I have posted it to the meteor/meteorite news weblog and given you credit. I added a title so if not correct please advise- "Kinder Fabel- Molly des??? Beasthund und Meteoriten Best Always in LIFE, Dirk...Tokyo --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Thomas ?sterberg wrote: > From: Thomas ?sterberg > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fell in front of children > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 3:43 AM > Dear Listoids, > > It looks like the dog Hopper now has got a competitor, > living in southern Sweden! Her name is Molly. > > According to the newspaper Sydsvenska Dagbladet, a > meteorite fell down in front of a group of cildren (and the > dog Molly) last week, just outside the small village > St.Olof, situated in the Swedish provice of Scania, about > 100 km east of Copenhagen. > > Heres a link to the article: > http://sydsvenskan.se/sverige/article538923/Barn-nara-att-traffas-av-mystisk-flygande-sten.html > > I have tried to translate the text content to English. > > The children Villmaron Andreasson 9, Linn-Klara > Andreasdaughter 7, Ebba Larsson 8, and Vinga Andreasdaughter > 11, was out and went with the family dogs in the grove > behind Sankt Olof (in the province of Scania, southernmost > Sweden). > It said "schwissssss", said Villmaron and shows with his > arms how fast the stone damp down, just a few meters in > front of them. > "It was like smoke". > When the stone hit the ground, dust and smoke swirled up. > Villmaron first thought it was a branch that had fallen > down, but the dog Molly, that first got very scared, finally > took courage, and sniffed her way to the stone, situated in > a hole a few inches down. > It was Molly who found it! > The stone is very black and full of holes. Looks like it > was burnt of fire, says Villmaron. > It almost looks like a piece of petrified lava says > Villmarons father Andreas Johansson. > The children immediately took the stone with them and run > home. They were very excited, says their mother Maja > Larsson. > They talked in mouth of each other and told their parents > that the rock fell from the sky with a high velocity and how > the gravel had whirled up and how scared the dog had been. > Then the kids run on to Grandma and Grandpa living in the > same village, in order to show them the stone too. When the > children had left, their mother Maja started to brood. > "First after a while it went up for me how lucky the > children had been. Imagine if anybody of them had been hit > by the stone? It could have gone really bad". > The first I found out to do was to call Ystads Allehanda (a > local newspaper) says Maja laughing. > Is it really a meteorite? Well the family is convinced that > it is! At the official web site of the National Museum of > Natural History in Stockholm, we learn that a meteorite will > be magnetic. > Maja ties a refrigerator magnet to a sewing thread and > holds the magnet next to the stone. The magnet attracts > directly to the stone. The shape and colour also corresponds > to the description of a meteorite at the National Museum web > site. Can it be of any worth wonder Maja tactfully? > But she rapidly concludes that this issue is not important. > The stone will be framed and hanged up on the wall, as a > memory of an exceptionally event. > First the stone will be sent to the Swedish Museum of > Natural History for identification. If it's turns up to is > genuine meteorite the story will be even better! > > The picture of the stone makes me a little bit suspicious. > Has some similarities to a piece of slag. > Happy hunting. > > Thomas ?sterberg > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From mike.hankey at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 15:38:30 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:38:30 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Have a Gut Feeling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the picture of steve was from 2 days after the fall. He was out along with a bunch of other people the first week, but everyone threw in the towel after about 10 days. as for the difficult terrain, its certainly not Antarctica or Iraq, but have you ever tried looking for meteorites inside corn fields? according to the guys I've talked to there are better/easier places to find meteorites (like the desert) On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 3:32 PM, wrote: >>>Interesting, it would be great if they ?were, but I got the impression > that none of the 'professional' meteorite ?hunters wanted to look for > this one as the terrain was too difficult / the ?chances of recovery > were too slim. All of the people you mention with the ?exception of > farmer have pretty much told me they aren't interested ?unless > something dramatically changes.<< > > Well...there goes that ?hunch. :O) What thru me off was a posting by you > leading to a photo showing an ?"alien" image in the bushes with what looked > like Steve Arnold (meteorite Men) ?in the foreground...with who I assumed was > you, ?looking at a map. Then ?someone asked if they had seen you and Mike > Farmer in the same room to note ?their simularities...which got me to thinking > that perhaps you guys were indeed ?seen together. As for everyone > else...pure speculation. :O) As for the difficult ?terrain to look for a > meteorite...I thought the possible recovery area was ?suppose to be in Amish corn > fields? Oh well... > GeoZay > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From GeoZay at aol.com Tue Aug 25 15:45:22 2009 From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:45:22 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Have a Gut Feeling Message-ID: >>the picture of steve was from 2 days after the fall. He was out along with a bunch of other people the first week, but everyone threw in the towel after about 10 days.<< Oh that was Steve...Hopefully no one got abducted and experimented on. :O) >>as for the difficult terrain, its certainly not Antarctica or Iraq, but have you ever tried looking for meteorites inside corn fields?<< Can't say I have...but I'd think it would be easier than in the mountains. >>according to the guys I've talked to there are better/easier places to find meteorites (like the desert)<< Probably right. Too bad I wasn't into meteorite hunting when I lived near the desert. GeoZay From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Tue Aug 25 15:47:53 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:47:53 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] 30-Pound Meteorite Stolen Message-ID: This seems odd: A 30 Lb Iron meteorite valued at $2,200; that's only 16 cents per gram. In any case, I hope it gets found. Greg S. http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-web-montville-meteor-0826aug26,0,1462776.story MONTVILLE ? - A meteorite has been stolen from The Dinosaur Place's gift shop. Workers at the business, a nature activity center with a retail store, noticed on Monday that the 30-pound chunk of nickel and iron was missing, state police said today. The meteorite is valued at $2,200 and is believed to have been taken Friday or Saturday, said Sgt. Chris Johnson, state police spokesman. The Dinosaur Place, also called Nature's Art, has family-style programs involving rocks, minerals and life-size replicas of dinosaurs. They have gem and fossil digs, host children's birthday parties and sell everything from jewelry to fossilized dinosaur dung. Roger Phillips, who owns the business with his wife, Linda, said toys and other items have been shoplifted in the past, but the Phillips don't usually report them. This is different. "How many times do you have an object from outer space missing?" Phillips said Tuesday. Phillips thinks a customer walked off with the meteorite during business hours; there was no sign of a break-in. He's been looking through surveillance videos to try to determine who stole the meteorite, which had been found in Argentina. It is the size of a cantaloupe and is black with a bit of a metallic shine, he said. "Something like this is unusual because of its weight," he said. "Of course, we wonder, how did they get it out of the store?" He doesn't think this is a case of employee theft; there are much more valuable things at the center, including a dinosaur tusk valued at more than $20,000 and a 100-pound meteorite valued at $7,500. Of course, they'd be even more challenging to steal. He doesn't think the thief stole it for a quick buck. He suspects the person took the meteorite for a private collection. "Would you tell the person who took it we would like it back?" he said. Anyone who sees the meteorite is asked to call the Troop E barracks of the state police at 860-848-6500. Copyright ? 2009, The Hartford Courant _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery From GeoZay at aol.com Tue Aug 25 15:56:20 2009 From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:56:20 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] 30-Pound Meteorite Stolen Message-ID: >>He's been looking through surveillance videos to try to determine who stole the meteorite, which had been found in Argentina. It is the size of a cantaloupe and is black with a bit of a metallic shine, he said.<< Look for a young person leaning over, that walks with a hobble. GeoZay From eric at meteoritesusa.com Tue Aug 25 15:59:22 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:59:22 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Thanks... Tweet Tweet! Message-ID: <4A94429A.4050909@meteoritesusa.com> Hi listees and all my philosopher friends, I'm really philosophied out right now. My brain hurts from thinking too much. I'd like to send out a BIG THANK YOU to all of you who've given their feedback on both my alien questions, and the new Spacifieds.com website which was created with you guys in mind. As kind of an even larger thank you I wanted to further the fast growth of the site by offering something I know all you dealers out there will appreciate very much. You buyers, collectors and lurkers should check it out too... A FREE LINK! I want to give you a free link on the Spacifieds.com blogroll. The site is growing at a rapid rate, and everyone knows the more items listed the more buyers, collectors and visitors it will garner. All you have to do is post free ad listings for your items for sale or trade. Post 10 minimum listings, preferably 20 or more, but 10 is good, and I'll put a link to your site on the blogroll. This is a permanent link! It is displayed on every page of the website in the right sidebar and gives you great exposure! You can view the blogroll here: http://www.spacifieds.com I've also added some features and have taken the advice you guys have been so kind to provide via private emails. I've adjusted the look and feel somewhat too. One very cool feature I've added is an "Auto-Tweet". Now every ad posted to Spacifieds.com gets posted to my Twitter page AUTOMATICALLY! It also provides a DIRECT link back to your ad listing. This means your ad listings gets a HUGE boost of traffic and visits for every ad listed, not just your ad. The more ads you post , the more visitors will automatically visit the site! You don't have to do anything other than post your ad listing to get traffic to your ad. In addition I've added a VERY powerful marketing tool to each ad listing. Each new ad listing posted now has a "ReTweet" button. This allows site visitors to Tweet directly to their Twitter accounts automatically without having to fill out any forms. It only takes two clicks and your ad is seen by hundreds and thousands of visitors depending on who Tweets your ad. This feature alone is hugely powerful word of mouth advertising. You can even ReTweet your own ad listings if you are on Twitter too. Let's keep this growth moving! There's over 30+ meteorite ad listings already from a number of very reputable dealers, check it... List it. It's free and it's easy. Now go post your free listings... Thanks everyone... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.spacifieds.com P.S. Don't forget the Free Meteorite Contest is still running! http://www.spacifieds.com/meteorites/free-meteorite-contest-post-ads-win-details/ From meteoritemike at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 17:22:25 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:22:25 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Blocking Google Ads on Meteorite Sites Message-ID: Hi Folks, I notice that Google ads are becoming more widespread and intrusive. Google and other advertising servers have gotten wise to Ad-Blocker software, so now they are embedding text advertising links into sneaky spots inside the body of a webpage - effectively eluding many Ad-Blocker programs who primarily block graphical banners. I found an *easy* solution to this problem, that wipes out the ads without the need to download or install any software. I know some vendors on this List are currently using Google Ads - and I they have every right to. I do not begrudge them that. Hopefully they respect my desire not to see the ads. If anyone on this List would like to learn this easy fix, simply email me off-list at meteoritemike at gmail.com. This fix is easy, legal, and does not involve any form of coding, downloads, or software. I use an Ad-Blocker plug-in for FireFox that works for the majority of graphic ad banners, but it doesn't remove the sneaky Google text ads. This new fix that I found on the web takes care of the text ads as well. I don't want to share it openly on the List because I understand that some other List members use Google Ads as a source of revenue. So contact me offlist. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From drtanuki at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 20:53:16 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information Message-ID: <282206.58757.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Meteorite hunters banished from Burke By Elizabeth Billips lizbillips at yahoo.com The two meteorite hunters caught trespassing in Burke County won't be coming back. They've been banished. In state court last Wednesday morning, Las Vegas meteorite hunter Ralph "Sonny" Clary Jr., 49, and ... http://www.thetruecitizen.com/news/2009/0408/for_the_record/032.html From eric at meteoritesusa.com Tue Aug 25 21:00:27 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:00:27 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: <282206.58757.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <282206.58757.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A94892B.3010406@meteoritesusa.com> And why is this being RE-posted? Rehtorical question of course... Old news such as this, needn't be rehashed. I'm sure everyone on here is very aware of it and In my opinion it's disrespectful to those involved in my opinion to repost it. Regards, Eric drtanuki wrote: > Meteorite hunters banished from Burke > By Elizabeth Billips lizbillips at yahoo.com > > The two meteorite hunters caught trespassing in Burke County won't be coming back. > > They've been banished. > > In state court last Wednesday morning, Las Vegas meteorite hunter Ralph "Sonny" Clary Jr., 49, and ... > > LINK REMOVED > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From drtanuki at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 21:12:24 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: <4A94892B.3010406@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <196.72099.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Eric and List, It was being re-posted because new information came to light about the circumstances of Sonny Clary and Millers arrest. It was posted on this list that the law, Court and Judge in the State of Georgia were somehow unfair. And previously it was hinted that the "old lady" was some gun-toting old hag. Please read this new article that has not been posted and you will see that: "...While the pair was originally charged with only one misdemeanor count each, another charge was added after they admitted going onto the property two days in a row.... "...returned the next day with materials to construct a foot bridge"... ..."it was the landowner who kept them out of prison uniforms."... How many of you would appreciate to have someone visiting your backyard or property and then trying to "construct a foot bridge"? The "old lady" saved their butts in the end from a prison cell; they should be grateful that the judge was generous. Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Meteorites USA wrote: > From: Meteorites USA > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information > To: "drtanuki" , "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 10:00 AM > And why is this being RE-posted? > Rehtorical question of course... > > Old news such as this, needn't be rehashed. I'm sure > everyone on here is > very aware of it and In my opinion it's disrespectful to > those involved > in my opinion to repost it. > > Regards, > Eric > > > drtanuki wrote: > > Meteorite hunters banished from Burke > > By Elizabeth Billips lizbillips at yahoo.com > > > > The two meteorite hunters caught trespassing in Burke > County won't be coming back. > > > > They've been banished. > > > > In state court last Wednesday morning, Las Vegas > meteorite hunter Ralph "Sonny" Clary Jr., 49, and ... > > > > LINK REMOVED > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > >??? > > From meteoritemike at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 21:49:24 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:49:24 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: <196.72099.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4A94892B.3010406@meteoritesusa.com> <196.72099.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Dirk and List, Respectfully, this article is dated April 2009. I recall reading a similar article months ago that contained the same "new information" about the foot-bridge allegation, return to the land on consecutive days, etc. This is not new information. Best regards, MikeG On 8/25/09, drtanuki wrote: > Eric and List, > It was being re-posted because new information came to light about the > circumstances of Sonny Clary and Millers arrest. > > It was posted on this list that the law, Court and Judge in the State of > Georgia were somehow unfair. > > And previously it was hinted that the "old lady" was some gun-toting old > hag. > > Please read this new article that has not been posted and you will see > that: > > "...While the pair was originally charged with only one misdemeanor count > each, another charge was added after they admitted going onto the property > two days in a row.... > > "...returned the next day with materials to construct a foot bridge"... > > ..."it was the landowner who kept them out of prison uniforms."... > > How many of you would appreciate to have someone visiting your backyard or > property and then trying to "construct a foot bridge"? The "old lady" > saved their butts in the end from a prison cell; they should be grateful > that the judge was generous. > > Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > > --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Meteorites USA wrote: > >> From: Meteorites USA >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information >> To: "drtanuki" , "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" >> >> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 10:00 AM >> And why is this being RE-posted? >> Rehtorical question of course... >> >> Old news such as this, needn't be rehashed. I'm sure >> everyone on here is >> very aware of it and In my opinion it's disrespectful to >> those involved >> in my opinion to repost it. >> >> Regards, >> Eric >> >> >> drtanuki wrote: >> > Meteorite hunters banished from Burke >> > By Elizabeth Billips lizbillips at yahoo.com >> > >> > The two meteorite hunters caught trespassing in Burke >> County won't be coming back. >> > >> > They've been banished. >> > >> > In state court last Wednesday morning, Las Vegas >> meteorite hunter Ralph "Sonny" Clary Jr., 49, and ... >> > >> > LINK REMOVED >> > ______________________________________________ >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > >> > >> >> > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From geoking at notkin.net Tue Aug 25 21:54:20 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:54:20 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: <282206.58757.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <282206.58757.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dirk: I concur with Eric and Mike Gilmer. This is not news and no "new information" has come to light. The piece you linked to was published on April 8 and today is August 25. How is that a "new article"? Just yesterday, I wrote a complimentary profile of my good friend Sonny Clary, and it was published by TucsonCitizen.com. Isn't that just the most amazing coincidence given the timing of your supposed "new story"? http://tucsoncitizen.com/lizard/2009/08/24/ralph-sonny-clary-meteorite-hunter-and-philanthropist-makes-important-donation-to-british-school-kids/ In my opinion, the above article is an accurate reflection of Sonny's character -- a fine gentleman whom I've had the pleasure of knowing for years. Anyone who has done any serious meteorite hunting has likely wandered down the wrong path in the boonies at some point in their career. I know I have. But how many of you have made a major donation to school kids overseas? Dirk, it's really obvious to anyone who knows these guys personally that you are just meddling. Get some sense of perspective and stop being so petty. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org From drtanuki at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 22:46:12 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <848589.26712.qm@web53106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Geoff, Mike and Eric, Thank you all for your constructive and deserved criticism. I owe an apology to Sonny and Mike (and the List) for not realizing that this was NOT new news and that it had already been reported on my weblog on April 9th. It may be inadequate at this point to say, but "I am sorry". Mike Miller is a very good meteorite hunter and have spoken with him several times about his success at Glorieta Mtn.; I have never had the pleasure of speaking with Sonny, but from his public record he is well known for his hunting successes as well. I had not read your article about Sonny`s donation of meteorites to the U.K. as it has not yet made it to the search engines. His actions should be commended. It is great to see that so many meteorite people are active in promoting meteorites to young people. http://tucsoncitizen.com/lizard/2009/08/24/ralph-sonny-clary-meteorite-hunter-and-philanthropist-makes-important-donation-to-british-school-kids/ Thank you for posting a link to your article. I have now read it. Sonny should be commended for his generous donation and support for meteorite promotion and education. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Notkin wrote: > From: Notkin > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information > To: "Meteorite List" > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 10:54 AM > Dirk: > > I concur with Eric and Mike Gilmer. > > This is not news and no "new information" has come to > light. The piece you linked to was published on April 8 and > today is August 25. How is that a "new article"? > > Just yesterday, I wrote a complimentary profile of my good > friend Sonny Clary, and it was published by > TucsonCitizen.com. Isn't that just the most amazing > coincidence given the timing of your supposed "new story"? > > http://tucsoncitizen.com/lizard/2009/08/24/ralph-sonny-clary-meteorite-hunter-and-philanthropist-makes-important-donation-to-british-school-kids/ > > > In my opinion, the above article is an accurate reflection > of Sonny's character -- a fine gentleman whom I've had the > pleasure of knowing for years. Anyone who has done any > serious meteorite hunting has likely wandered down the wrong > path in the boonies at some point in their career. I know I > have. But how many of you have made a major donation to > school kids overseas? > > Dirk, it's really obvious to anyone who knows these guys > personally that you are just meddling. Get some sense of > perspective and stop being so petty. > > > Geoff N. > > www.aerolite.org > www.meteoritemen.com > www.meteoriteblog.org > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From drtanuki at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 23:11:53 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Australia's prospective massive & catastrophic meteorite tax Message-ID: <898196.6114.qm@web53101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Australia's prospective massive & catastrophic meteorite tax Australia.TO This morning I was watching Dr Karl Kruszelnicki as he described the probability of a massive meteorite hitting the earth in the next 50 to 100 years and ... http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Interesting that someone is thinking of a new reason to tax. From mojave_meteorites at cox.net Tue Aug 25 23:56:29 2009 From: mojave_meteorites at cox.net (Rob Matson) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:56:29 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: <4A94397D.2050800@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: Hi Eric and List, > Light itself travels 186,000 miles per second. Do most people > really understand how fast that truly is? Do people realize > how long it would take to travel ANYWHERE in our universe? At the speed of light, you can actually travel anywhere in the universe *instantaneously* -- from your own reckoning of time. Which brings up a special relativity question for you all: at what velocity must you travel in order to reach Alpha Centauri (4.37 light-years away) in exactly 4.37 years -- by *your* reckoning of time? --Rob From cynapse at charter.net Wed Aug 26 01:20:31 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:20:31 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: References: <4A94397D.2050800@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <51h995p7btfq8rsufpphedur0if1lugh6e@4ax.com> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:56:29 -0700, you wrote: >Which brings up a special relativity question for you all: at >what velocity must you travel in order to reach Alpha Centauri >(4.37 light-years away) in exactly 4.37 years -- by *your* >reckoning of time? Just off the top of my head, I'd say that you would have to travel under an acceleration of roughly .716716g. You didn't say anything about stopping when you get there... If you had to stop at Alpha C, you would need to reach the middle of the trip, then start decelerating, at-- oh, again a total guess, at a constant accelration of around 1.4335g both ways. Oh, and I've never heard of this web site: http://home.att.net/~srschmitt/script_starship.html So don't say I used it. From SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com Wed Aug 26 00:16:44 2009 From: SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com (SPACEROCKSINC at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:16:44 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 26, 2009 Message-ID: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_26_2009.html From jkg2 at cox.net Wed Aug 26 00:19:31 2009 From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:19:31 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: References: <4A94397D.2050800@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <20090826041935.YIPI21192.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Well, I don't know about *my* reckoning, but for my dogs it would be either 0.624 or 29.89 years. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to multiply or divide by seven;-) My best guess is that it would be a fraction of instantaneous. John The Bewildered At 08:56 PM 8/25/2009, Rob Matson wrote: >Hi Eric and List, > > > Light itself travels 186,000 miles per second. Do most people > > really understand how fast that truly is? Do people realize > > how long it would take to travel ANYWHERE in our universe? > >At the speed of light, you can actually travel anywhere in the >universe *instantaneously* -- from your own reckoning of time. >Which brings up a special relativity question for you all: at >what velocity must you travel in order to reach Alpha Centauri >(4.37 light-years away) in exactly 4.37 years -- by *your* >reckoning of time? > >--Rob > > >______________________________________________ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. From geeg48 at msn.com Wed Aug 26 00:22:09 2009 From: geeg48 at msn.com (GREG LINDH) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:22:09 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: References: <4A94397D.2050800@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, As you may remember from my earlier writings to you, I'm no scientist. But, if what you have written is true, and if I've understood you correctly, and if someone traveling at the speed of light can travel anywhere in the universe *instantaneously* "from their own reckoning of time", then it would seem to me that traveling to the nearest star (other than our sun) would also be *instantaneous*, from the traveler's own reckoning of time. The 4.73 years of travel time would be impossible. Or did I misunderstand what you wrote? Regards, Greg Lindh > From: mojave_meteorites at cox.net > To: eric at meteoritesusa.com > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:56:29 -0700 > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question > > Hi Eric and List, > >> Light itself travels 186,000 miles per second. Do most people >> really understand how fast that truly is? Do people realize >> how long it would take to travel ANYWHERE in our universe? > > At the speed of light, you can actually travel anywhere in the > universe *instantaneously* -- from your own reckoning of time. > Which brings up a special relativity question for you all: at > what velocity must you travel in order to reach Alpha Centauri > (4.37 light-years away) in exactly 4.37 years -- by *your* > reckoning of time? > > --Rob > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mexicodoug at aim.com Wed Aug 26 00:44:28 2009 From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:44:28 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8CBF41F07B0488C-130-319AB@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> Oh one of these Gamow deals ... lets see, is it: 0.707106781....times the speed of light (dividing by the square root of two to cancel out the dilution of someone watching you, who thinks you have traveled at 6.18... years?)? The "..." because exactly is a pretty strong statement and I am keyboard challenged to write (1/(sqrt(2))*c since the parentheses get confusing. Best wishes, Doug -----Original Message----- From: Rob Matson To: Meteorites USA Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:56 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question Hi Eric and List, > Light itself travels 186,000 miles per second. Do most people > really understand how fast that truly is? Do people realize > how long it would take to travel ANYWHERE in our universe? At the speed of light, you can actually travel anywhere in the universe *instantaneously* -- from your own reckoning of time. Which brings up a special relativity question for you all: at what velocity must you travel in order to reach Alpha Centauri (4.37 light-years away) in exactly 4.37 years -- by *your* reckoning of time? --Rob ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cynapse at charter.net Wed Aug 26 02:15:28 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:15:28 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: <51h995p7btfq8rsufpphedur0if1lugh6e@4ax.com> References: <4A94397D.2050800@meteoritesusa.com> <51h995p7btfq8rsufpphedur0if1lugh6e@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:20:31 -0500, you wrote: >If you had to stop at Alpha C, you would need to reach the middle of the trip, >then start decelerating, at-- oh, again a total guess, at a constant accelration >of around 1.4335g both ways. Scratch my second calculation here. The calculator already accounts for halfway point deceleration. From mexicodoug at aim.com Wed Aug 26 01:31:54 2009 From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:31:54 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: References: <4A94397D.2050800@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <8CBF425A7B2E645-130-31CCF@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> Greg, if you walked to Alpha Centuri, it would take a long time. (And if you wanted to go exactly there, it would be quite a warm welcome). If you traveled at the speed of light it would be like Juan Salvador Gaviota (instant from your point of view). So the question isn't that you traveled at the speed of light ("impossible"), but what is the speed you would have to haul at to make all these light year distances in astronomy make sense from the point of view of actually getting in a ship and going there and taking as long as the star atlas says. It is clearly between 7 trillion hours (hours, not dollars) which is how long it would taker to walk, and 0 hours (instant) if you went at the speed of light in the traveling frame of reference. So you just need to find the happy medium to adjust the detached observer's dilation of time to be the inverse of your time, I think. 70.1% the speed of light seems to do it. The Factor you need to divide the speed of light by might be, 1/sqrt(1-(v^2/c^2)). Setting v=1/sqrt(2), you get 1/sqrt(1-(1/2)) = 1/sqrt(1/2) = sqrt(2). Anyways, something like that, and with that Mr. Thompkins bid the Professor "Goodnight" :-) Doug -----Original Message----- From: GREG LINDH To: mojave_meteorites at cox.net Cc: meteorite-list Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 12:22 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question Hi Rob, As you may remember from my earlier writings to you, I'm no scientist. But, if what you have written is true, and if I've understood you correctly, and if someone traveling at the speed of light can travel anywhere in the universe *instantaneously* "from their own reckoning of time", then it would seem to me that traveling to the nearest star (other than our sun) would also be *instantaneous*, from the traveler's own reckoning of time. The 4.73 years of travel time would be impossible. Or did I misunderstand what you wrote? Regards, Greg Lindh > From: mojave_meteorites at cox.net > To: eric at meteoritesusa.com > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:56:29 -0700 > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question > > Hi Eric and List, > >> Light itself travels 186,000 miles per second. Do most people >> really understand how fast that truly is? Do people realize >> how long it would take to travel ANYWHERE in our universe? > > At the speed of light, you can actually travel anywhere in the > universe *instantaneously* -- from your own reckoning of time. > Which brings up a special relativity question for you all: at > what velocity must you travel in order to reach Alpha Centauri > (4.37 light-years away) in exactly 4.37 years -- by *your* > reckoning of time? > > --Rob > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 26 01:50:51 2009 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:50:51 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question References: <8CBF41F07B0488C-130-319AB@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, All, Speaking to this thread, and all the people who find this sort of thing fun, there are many other relativity brain teasers you can tease your brain with... Like this one: Consider the admittedly unrealistic situation of a man carrying horizontally a 20-ft pole and wanting to get it into a 10-ft garage. He will run at speed v = 0.866c to make ? = 2, so that the pole contracts to 10 ft. It will be well to insist on having a sufficiently massive block of concrete at the back of the garage, so that there is no question of whether the pole finally stops in the inertial frame of the garage, or vice versa. So the man runs with his (now contracted) pole into the garage and a friend quickly closes the door. In principle we do not doubt the feasibility of this experiment; that is, the reality of length contraction. When the pole stops in the rest-frame of the garage, it will tend to assume, if it can, its original length relative to the garage. Thus, if it survived the impact, it must now either bend, or burst the door, or remain compressed. At this point a paradox might occur to the reader: What about the symmetry of the phenomenon? Relative to the runner, won?t the garage be only 5 ft long? And, if so, how can the 20-ft pole get into the 5-ft garage? Very well, let us consider what happens... from Wolfgang Rindler's "Relativity," probably the best and clearest book on the subject ever written. It contains a lot of brain teasers and it is downloadable at: http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/science_books/astronomy_cosmology/relativity_special_general_and_cosmological.html And the answer? I won't spoil it, but you can get the 20-foot pole into the 5-foot garage easily, no problemo. and with room to spare! (p. 63) Sterling K. Webb ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mexicodoug" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question > Oh one of these Gamow deals ... lets see, is it: > > 0.707106781....times the speed of light (dividing by the square root > of two to cancel out the dilution of someone watching you, who thinks > you have traveled at 6.18... years?)? > > The "..." because exactly is a pretty strong statement and I am > keyboard challenged to write (1/(sqrt(2))*c since the parentheses get > confusing. > > Best wishes, Doug > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Matson > To: Meteorites USA > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:56 pm > Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question > > > > Hi Eric and List, > >> Light itself travels 186,000 miles per second. Do most people >> really understand how fast that truly is? Do people realize >> how long it would take to travel ANYWHERE in our universe? > > At the speed of light, you can actually travel anywhere in the > universe *instantaneously* -- from your own reckoning of time. > Which brings up a special relativity question for you all: at > what velocity must you travel in order to reach Alpha Centauri > (4.37 light-years away) in exactly 4.37 years -- by *your* > reckoning of time? > > --Rob > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From metlist at plu.to Wed Aug 26 02:06:31 2009 From: metlist at plu.to (matt) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:06:31 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Thank you! Message-ID: <4A94D0E7.8090402@plu.to> Back in May I posted a request for 'giveaway' meteorites for a series of presentations I was giving to school students. I realised last night that in the rush to finish for the summer, writing about it for Meteorite magazine and the birth of our second child I never publicly thanked those that came to my aid. Two people in particular helped me out. Mark Crawford, a fellow British collector, who quickly sent me some NWA fragments and tektites, entirely at his own cost, which I have used as prizes in a competition following on from the presentations. Since the event only took place the week before we finished for the summer, I'll be giving those out next week when we return to school. Sonny Clary, who sent me 90(!) fragments of a 120lb chondrite he found in Nevada in 2007. Shipping alone was almost $50, and I cannot imagine the time invested in making a find like this, but Sonny never asked for a penny (US readers may substitute the word 'dime' for 'penny'). Truly amazing generosity, which allowed every single one of the students involved to take a piece of space-rock home on the day. If you haven't already seen it check out Geoff Notkin's article: http://tucsoncitizen.com/lizard/2009/08/24/ralph-sonny-clary-meteorite-hunter-and-philanthropist-makes-important-donation-to-british-school-kids/ And keep an eye out for the upcoming Meteorite magazine article! Regards, Matt. From mojave_meteorites at cox.net Wed Aug 26 03:27:46 2009 From: mojave_meteorites at cox.net (Rob Matson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:27:46 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: <8CBF41F07B0488C-130-319AB@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi All, Doug was first with the correct answer: 1/sqrt(2) * speed of light or a little more than 70% of the speed of light. I figured it might come down to a race between Doug and Sterling. ;-) Here's an alternative way of looking at the problem which will give you the correct answer almost immediately. The trick is to assume that *ALL* objects travel at the same "velocity" in 4-dimensional space-time, and for convenience we'll call this velocity "c". For simplicity, assume linear motion along just one spatial axis -- let's just call it the X-axis and make it horizontal. Now add a perpendicular axis (traditionally the Y-axis) but instead we're going to call it the T-axis (the velocity component in the time-axis direction): ^ | | T | | +---------> X A vector representing the velocity of any object will have a length of c. Any object traveling at the speed of light (e.g. a photon) is represented by the vector of length c parallel to the X-axis; in other words, time stands still for this object. And any object at rest gets represented by a vector of length c parallel to the T-axis; all the "motion" is in the direction of time. For our problem, we're looking for the vector that has equal velocity components in both the X-axis and T-axis (X=T). Obviously this is a 45-degree angle clockwise from +T (or counterclockwise from +X). So the component of the 4-D velocity that is in the spatial direction is C*COS(45), while the component of the 4-D velocity that is in the time direction is C*SIN(45). Voila! When you accelerate from a stand-still, your 4D velocity vector rotates away from vertical and toward horizontal (by a miniscule amount). Using the simple system above, you can easily figure out the required velocity in order to cover 2 light-years distance in one year, 4 light-years in one year, etc. --Rob From mark.ford at ssl.gb.com Wed Aug 26 03:54:17 2009 From: mark.ford at ssl.gb.com (Mark Ford) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:54:17 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: References: <8CBF41F07B0488C-130-319AB@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C497246C6@gamma.ssl.atw> Reminds me of a question I was asked a while back - what's the average time dilation of all mass/particles in the universe, due to the expansion rate of the universe - i.e how much younger is the universe now than it 'should be' if it was static? (I had to think about that one!) I guess technically since time was created at T=0 then the answer is simply 'now'!? Mark -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Matson Sent: 26 August 2009 08:28 To: Mexicodoug; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question Hi All, Doug was first with the correct answer: 1/sqrt(2) * speed of light or a little more than 70% of the speed of light. I figured it might come down to a race between Doug and Sterling. ;-) Here's an alternative way of looking at the problem which will give you the correct answer almost immediately. The trick is to assume that *ALL* objects travel at the same "velocity" in 4-dimensional space-time, and for convenience we'll call this velocity "c". For simplicity, assume linear motion along just one spatial axis -- let's just call it the X-axis and make it horizontal. Now add a perpendicular axis (traditionally the Y-axis) but instead we're going to call it the T-axis (the velocity component in the time-axis direction): ^ | | T | | +---------> X A vector representing the velocity of any object will have a length of c. Any object traveling at the speed of light (e.g. a photon) is represented by the vector of length c parallel to the X-axis; in other words, time stands still for this object. And any object at rest gets represented by a vector of length c parallel to the T-axis; all the "motion" is in the direction of time. For our problem, we're looking for the vector that has equal velocity components in both the X-axis and T-axis (X=T). Obviously this is a 45-degree angle clockwise from +T (or counterclockwise from +X). So the component of the 4-D velocity that is in the spatial direction is C*COS(45), while the component of the 4-D velocity that is in the time direction is C*SIN(45). Voila! When you accelerate from a stand-still, your 4D velocity vector rotates away from vertical and toward horizontal (by a miniscule amount). Using the simple system above, you can easily figure out the required velocity in order to cover 2 light-years distance in one year, 4 light-years in one year, etc. --Rob ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email info at ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 26 04:01:10 2009 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:01:10 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question References: <8CBF41F07B0488C-130-319AB@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C497246C6@gamma.ssl.atw> Message-ID: <78F97420209945D0AD7691D5BF79C826@ATARIENGINE2> Since our inertial frame is HERE, the universe is expanding away from us and WE are standing still, just like in good ol' medieval cosmology. We are, by our own definition, a rest frame. Therefore, no motion = no dialation of time. Around these parts, one second is one second long, bub! Now, if you're in a distant galaxy, far, far away, and we're red-shifted --- well, that's another matter. Sterling K. Webb ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Ford" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question > > Reminds me of a question I was asked a while back - what's the > average > time dilation of all mass/particles in the universe, due to the > expansion rate of the universe - i.e how much younger is the universe > now than it 'should be' if it was static? > > (I had to think about that one!) > > I guess technically since time was created at T=0 then the answer is > simply 'now'!? > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob > Matson > Sent: 26 August 2009 08:28 > To: Mexicodoug; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question > > Hi All, > > Doug was first with the correct answer: 1/sqrt(2) * speed of light > or a little more than 70% of the speed of light. I figured it > might come down to a race between Doug and Sterling. ;-) > > Here's an alternative way of looking at the problem which will > give you the correct answer almost immediately. The trick is to > assume that *ALL* objects travel at the same "velocity" in > 4-dimensional space-time, and for convenience we'll call this > velocity "c". For simplicity, assume linear motion along just > one spatial axis -- let's just call it the X-axis and make it > horizontal. Now add a perpendicular axis (traditionally the > Y-axis) but instead we're going to call it the T-axis (the > velocity component in the time-axis direction): > > ^ > | > | > T | > | > +---------> > X > > A vector representing the velocity of any object will have a > length of c. Any object traveling at the speed of light (e.g. > a photon) is represented by the vector of length c parallel > to the X-axis; in other words, time stands still for this > object. And any object at rest gets represented by a vector > of length c parallel to the T-axis; all the "motion" is in > the direction of time. > > For our problem, we're looking for the vector that has equal > velocity components in both the X-axis and T-axis (X=T). > Obviously this is a 45-degree angle clockwise from +T (or > counterclockwise from +X). So the component of the 4-D velocity > that is in the spatial direction is C*COS(45), while the > component of the 4-D velocity that is in the time direction > is C*SIN(45). Voila! > > When you accelerate from a stand-still, your 4D velocity vector > rotates away from vertical and toward horizontal (by a > miniscule amount). Using the simple system above, you can easily > figure out the required velocity in order to cover 2 light-years > distance in one year, 4 light-years in one year, etc. > > --Rob > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you > are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email > info at ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or > attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other > person. > > GENERAL STATEMENT: > > Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and > communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective > operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. > > Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 > 0DP. Company No 1800317 > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From jdb1729 at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 03:57:54 2009 From: jdb1729 at gmail.com (Dan Brumleve) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:57:54 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Message-ID: Reminds me of a thought-experiment that I thought of... If there are an infinite number of Earths stacked on top of each other, how much gravity do you feel standing on top? Dan From cynapse at charter.net Wed Aug 26 11:42:32 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:42:32 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: References: <8CBF41F07B0488C-130-319AB@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:27:46 -0700, you wrote: > >Doug was first with the correct answer: 1/sqrt(2) * speed of light >or a little more than 70% of the speed of light. I figured it >might come down to a race between Doug and Sterling. ;-) Not to be petty, but I beat Doug by at least half an hour. :-) The time stamp on my e-mail is screw up is all (because of my time zone settings in XP. Unless you concider using a web calculator to be cheating... But the numbers given by Doug's math, your math, and my cheating are only one possible answer out of many. All assume a steady constant accelleration to the midpoint, followed by a steady constant decelleration (which is really just an accelleration pointed in the opposite direction) to the destination. But since we are describing impossible fictional devices, there is no need to be constrained to those parameters. Along with the fictional steady-accelleration engine, you could toss in inertial dampera and allow for a much heavier accelleration at the start and end points, with a engines-off crusing period in between, which may burn much less unobtanium than steady accelleration. Say you have an Orion style spacecraft and a sufficient supply of antimatter bombs, and the human crew can survive, within their inertial dampening cocoons, maybe 1,000g of accelleration (or make up your own figure.) There would be any number of accelleration rates and times, plus mid-flight cruises, that could give you the number you want. Play with those numbers. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29 From clp at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Aug 26 10:55:35 2009 From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:55:35 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question References: <8CBF41F07B0488C-130-319AB@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > But since > we are describing impossible fictional devices, there is no need to be > constrained to those parameters. Along with the fictional > steady-accelleration > engine, you could toss in inertial dampera and allow for a much heavier > accelleration at the start and end points, with a engines-off crusing > period in > between, which may burn much less unobtanium than steady accelleration. Engines capable of steady acceleration are not impossible or fictional. They are real and already in use. It is a mere engineering problem to produce one that can operate long enough to reach another star. On the other hand, inertial dampers (as I assume you mean the term) are fictional and very likely impossible. An unmanned probe could tolerate higher accelerations, and therefore reach its destination much closer to the theoretical minimum in our time frame- those of us waiting behind for it to get there and start sending information back. That is, just under the light time to get there, and exactly the light time for the data to arrive back at Earth. Chris ***************************************** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Garrison" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question > Not to be petty, but I beat Doug by at least half an hour. :-) The time > stamp > on my e-mail is screw up is all (because of my time zone settings in XP. > Unless > you concider using a web calculator to be cheating... > > But the numbers given by Doug's math, your math, and my cheating are only > one > possible answer out of many. All assume a steady constant accelleration > to the > midpoint, followed by a steady constant decelleration (which is really > just an > accelleration pointed in the opposite direction) to the destination. But > since > we are describing impossible fictional devices, there is no need to be > constrained to those parameters. Along with the fictional > steady-accelleration > engine, you could toss in inertial dampera and allow for a much heavier > accelleration at the start and end points, with a engines-off crusing > period in > between, which may burn much less unobtanium than steady accelleration. > Say you > have an Orion style spacecraft and a sufficient supply of antimatter > bombs, and > the human crew can survive, within their inertial dampening cocoons, maybe > 1,000g of accelleration (or make up your own figure.) There would be any > number > of accelleration rates and times, plus mid-flight cruises, that could give > you > the number you want. > > Play with those numbers. :-) From cynapse at charter.net Wed Aug 26 12:43:12 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:43:12 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: References: <8CBF41F07B0488C-130-319AB@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:55:35 -0600, you wrote: >Engines capable of steady acceleration are not impossible or fictional. They >are real and already in use. It is a mere engineering problem to produce >one that can operate long enough to reach another star. > But the closer an object gets to the speed of light, the higher your inertial mass becomes-- so you are constantly having to use more and more energy, pushing harder and harder just to maintain that constant rate of acceleration. To get an object with a rest mass infinitely close to the speed of light would take an infinite amount of energy. To get a ship merely very close to the speed of light would take much less energy, say the total energy output of a few galactic clusters, give or take... From clp at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Aug 26 11:46:42 2009 From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:46:42 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question References: <8CBF41F07B0488C-130-319AB@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2E29685776C7418C9CFC31C331F9FA96@bellatrix> > To get a ship merely very close to the speed of > light would take much less energy, say the total > energy output of a few galactic clusters, > give or take... Like I said, a mere engineering problem. Nothing in physics precludes a battery on your ship with that amount of energy content. But damping inertia... that's another matter completely. Chris ***************************************** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Garrison" To: "Chris Peterson" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:55:35 -0600, you wrote: >Engines capable of steady acceleration are not impossible or fictional. >They >are real and already in use. It is a mere engineering problem to >produce >one that can operate long enough to reach another star. > But the closer an object gets to the speed of light, the higher your inertial mass becomes-- so you are constantly having to use more and more energy, pushing harder and harder just to maintain that constant rate of acceleration. To get an object with a rest mass infinitely close to the speed of light would take an infinite amount of energy. To get a ship merely very close to the speed of light would take much less energy, say the total energy output of a few galactic clusters, give or take... From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 26 11:49:01 2009 From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question Message-ID: Ok, so what's the speed of dark? Let's say you're in a car traveling at the speed of light, does anything happen if you turn on the headlights? A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking, Apologies to Steven Wright, Phil Whitmer From cynapse at charter.net Wed Aug 26 13:32:58 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:32:58 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: <2E29685776C7418C9CFC31C331F9FA96@bellatrix> References: <8CBF41F07B0488C-130-319AB@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> <2E29685776C7418C9CFC31C331F9FA96@bellatrix> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:46:42 -0600, you wrote: >Like I said, a mere engineering problem. Nothing in physics precludes a >battery on your ship with that amount of energy content. Let's round up the acceleration from .7xg to 1g-- just to provide Earthlike artificial gravity. According to the calculator, on that 4.37 ly trip to Alpha C, at 1g of acceleration, the maximum kinetic energy of the ship will be around 200,000,000,000,000,000 joules per kilogram of mass. And, remember, the fuel used to generate that acceleration will have to be carried, too, and will itself have to be accelerated (unless you have some sort of Buzzard ramjet arrangement, which could provide some of that fuel.) What energy source are you proposing that could provide that energy? From cynapse at charter.net Wed Aug 26 13:35:36 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:35:36 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400, you wrote: >Ok, so what's the speed of dark? > "The speed of dark is known to be greater than that of light. It must be, otherwise the dark wouldn?t be able to get out of the light?s way." http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html From clp at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Aug 26 12:41:06 2009 From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:41:06 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question References: <8CBF41F07B0488C-130-319AB@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> <2E29685776C7418C9CFC31C331F9FA96@bellatrix> Message-ID: Well, that energy is on the same order at the mass-energy equivalence, so it doesn't seem unreasonable. You just need an efficient fusion generator. A matter-antimatter annihilator seems like another possibility. And what's wrong with Bussard ramjets, or some similar system that scoops up reaction mass along the way? Obviously I'm not saying any sort of practical spacecraft capable of sustained 1G acceleration is going to happen without decades or centuries of continued technological development. I'm only saying that no fundamental physics stands in its way. That is not the case for something that shields the contents of that spacecraft from feeling acceleration. The former is science fiction right now; the latter is fantasy. Chris ***************************************** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Garrison" To: "Chris Peterson" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:46:42 -0600, you wrote: >Like I said, a mere engineering problem. Nothing in physics precludes a >battery on your ship with that amount of energy content. Let's round up the acceleration from .7xg to 1g-- just to provide Earthlike artificial gravity. According to the calculator, on that 4.37 ly trip to Alpha C, at 1g of acceleration, the maximum kinetic energy of the ship will be around 200,000,000,000,000,000 joules per kilogram of mass. And, remember, the fuel used to generate that acceleration will have to be carried, too, and will itself have to be accelerated (unless you have some sort of Buzzard ramjet arrangement, which could provide some of that fuel.) What energy source are you proposing that could provide that energy? From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 26 14:13:50 2009 From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:13:50 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <50D4A4E8156347A4B30C91E59DCD3FE7@ATARIENGINE2> Hi, Dan, Rob, List, The key weasel-word in that puzzle is "infinite." An infinite number of anything, no matter how small, even neutrons, has infinite mass and hence exerts infinite gravitational force. Your infinite stack of Earths will collapsr at the speed of light, having wrapped all space and time around itself. You are a string of particles stretched out over light years, with the tip of your nose pressed against the event horizon at the speed of light where you feel infinite force, but you are not moving because time is standing still for you, and you will stay that way forever... in your inertial frame. The Newtonian solution is simple. Using the central force assumption of Newtonian gravitation (hey! works for me!), the gravity you feel is the sum of an infinite series: 1 + (1/3)^2 + (1/5)^2 + (1/7)^2 + (1/9)^2 + (1/11)^2 + (1/13)^2 + (1/15)^2 + (1/17)^2 + (1/19)^2 + ... = 1.208722 G's! (approximately, OK?) Your problem is that your Earths are too close together. There is a cosmological solution that allows an infinite static universe with infinite mass to have a finite and low mass density. They're called Charlier universes, but I never met one. They're awfully empty... Experiment is the key to all knowledge. You stack up an infinite number of Earths, then time falling objects with a pendulum, or even better, time the pendulum... right in the heart of downtown Gedankenland. Sterling K. Webb ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Brumleve" jdb1729 at gmail.com To: mojave_meteorites at cox.net cc: "meteorite-list" meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:57 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) > Reminds me of a thought-experiment that I thought of... > > If there are an infinite number of Earths stacked on top of each > other, how much gravity do you feel standing on top? > > Dan > ______________________________________________ From stanleygregr at hotmail.com Wed Aug 26 14:31:15 2009 From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:31:15 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Inclusion in Meteorite Message-ID: List: I recently acquired an unclass NWA and after cutting it, I not only found a nice 5 mm chondrule but an odd orange brown inclusion. It almost looks like a fossil shell - triangular in shape; I know it's not. It is also outlined with black. Take a look. http://www.flickr.com/photos/9106270 at N04/ Has anyone seen anything like this? Thanks, Greg S. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you?re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Wed Aug 26 15:29:26 2009 From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de) Date: 26 Aug 2009 19:29:26 UT Subject: [meteorite-list] Inclusion in meteorite Message-ID: Hi Greg St. and List, What does it look like under a microscope? If you can see cleavages at 90? it's probably a (weathered) pyroxene (fragment), otherwise it might be a fragment of an oxidized olivine crystal. Fred Beroud's A?fer 336 (L3.8; S3; W3) has a few of these conspicuous orange chondrules. See, for example, Met.Bull. photos by "Meteoriteshow" and by "Michel Girard". The black seam may be melted troilite or it's a zoned olivine, i.e. the outer rim is chemically different from the interior parts of the crystal. Will send you a 16x (magnification) JPEG of such an orange chondrule in my A?fer 336 slice in a private mail! Best wishes, Bernd From cdtucson at cox.net Tue Aug 25 21:20:56 2009 From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:20:56 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: <282206.58757.qm@web53102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090825212056.2638B.99510.imail@fed1rmwml31> OMG, That's amazing. You are all welcome to hunt in Arizona anytime you'd like. We might be a bit friendlier here. . Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- drtanuki wrote: > Meteorite hunters banished from Burke > By Elizabeth Billips lizbillips at yahoo.com > > The two meteorite hunters caught trespassing in Burke County won't be coming back. > > They've been banished. > > In state court last Wednesday morning, Las Vegas meteorite hunter Ralph "Sonny" Clary Jr., 49, and ... > > http://www.thetruecitizen.com/news/2009/0408/for_the_record/032.html > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mlblood at cox.net Wed Aug 26 17:09:03 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:09:03 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Please guys, This is not exactly hard core meteorite related. A few posts - ok - hell, a dozen posts, ok. 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It must be, > otherwise the dark wouldn?t be able to get out of the light?s way." > > http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From eric at meteoritesusa.com Wed Aug 26 17:22:31 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:22:31 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update Message-ID: <4A95A797.6010201@meteoritesusa.com> Hi guys, Just a quick email to say thanks for over 2000 Hits! Spacifieds.com - Over - 2400 Hits In Less than 48 hrs Over - 400+ unique visitors have either posted ads or visited 46 Total Ads Posted Not too shabby for a brand new site... Thanks Guys! 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I still have 5 (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites USA home page. $99 year or $150 for both Meteorites USA and MeteoriteBlog.com http://www.meteoritesusa.com/ads.htm From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Wed Aug 26 17:27:36 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:27:36 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005301ca2694$0889e2f0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> But Captain, it is! Remember how often you are asked, whether there are meteorites from other galaxies ! Skol Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Blood Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2009 23:09 An: cynapse at charter.net; Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question Please guys, This is not exactly hard core meteorite related. A few posts - ok - hell, a dozen posts, ok. But this On and on and on and on is enough already! Can those few of you obsessed with this take it off The list, please? ( could be wrong - if there are dozens of List members Who want to see this stay on the list, go ahead and post to The list and in the subject line put "KEEP the SOL Q Going" Not to be a bummer - Michael On 8/26/09 10:35 AM, "Darren Garrison" wrote: > On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400, you wrote: > >> Ok, so what's the speed of dark? >> > > "The speed of dark is known to be greater than that of light. It must be, > otherwise the dark wouldn?t be able to get out of the light?s way." > > http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From mike.hankey at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 17:55:26 2009 From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:55:26 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i hear ya, and agree about being on topic, but there seems to be a good bit of interest in this topic, so i'd say let it roll...? you can tell from the subject what its related to, so you can easily delete the emails without reading them if you're not interested. its kind of fun / enjoyable for me to follow along, if it was off list, i would miss a lot of these replies, i think this is in the same category as the alien discussion and matrix discussions... not really meteor related, but interesting none the less. I think volume of replies often suggests a good topic people are interested in. I'm also eagerly awaiting Rob's answer. http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/jack-knows-best.jpg Mike Hankey, http://www.mikesastrophotos.com On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Blood wrote: > Please guys, > ? ? ? ?This is not exactly hard core meteorite related. > ? ? ? ?A few posts - ok ?- hell, a dozen posts, ok. But this > On and on and on and on is enough already! > ? ? ? ?Can those few of you obsessed with this take it off > The list, please? > ? ? ? ?( could be wrong - if there are dozens of List members > Who want to see this stay on the list, go ahead and post to > The list and in the subject line put "KEEP the SOL Q > Going" > ? ? ? ?Not to be a bummer - Michael > > > On 8/26/09 10:35 AM, "Darren Garrison" wrote: > >> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> Ok, so what's the speed of dark? >>> >> >> "The speed of dark is known to be greater than that of light. It must be, >> otherwise the dark wouldn?t be able to get out of the light?s way." >> >> http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > From fuzzfoot at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 18:09:28 2009 From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:09:28 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] A-B Collection is up Message-ID: <426BFEE6A5A64571861DBE235221EA25@Bandli1> Dear List: Over the years I have thoroughly enjoyed sites that have photos and descriptions of there collections online. In particular, Peter Marmet's site has been a real inspiration to 'do something different' with these specimens and share them with the world. I don't know anyone who doesn't enjoy looking at pictures of other people's meteorites! We all have our excel spreadsheets and notes, but taking photos of each and every specimen has really made me appreciate them more than I ever thought possible. I finally have the first A-B section of my photographic collection up: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Collection.html Click on the A-B button at the bottom. I'm doing this in chunks, as it takes a ridiculous amount of time to finish each meteorite! Please let me know off-list if there are any errors or problems. I hope to finish a section every other week until it is done. Take care, Mike Bandli www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 From jdb1729 at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 17:46:33 2009 From: jdb1729 at gmail.com (Dan Brumleve) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:46:33 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <50D4A4E8156347A4B30C91E59DCD3FE7@ATARIENGINE2> References: <50D4A4E8156347A4B30C91E59DCD3FE7@ATARIENGINE2> Message-ID: Sterling, The solution I had in mind is the Newtonian one (curiously the value is related to the probability of a random integer being divisible by a square). But I don't agree that an infinite number of anything is necessarily nonsensical... In this case (an infinite line of planets with one end), the force is finite everywhere and never much larger than 1G. (Alternatively, if we were on the edge of an infinite half-space packed with planets, the force would be infinite and the situation much less reasonable, essentially as you described.) I had never heard of Charlier universes, looks like an applicable framework, I will read more about it, thanks! Dan On 8/26/09, Sterling K. Webb wrote: > Hi, Dan, Rob, List, > > The key weasel-word in that puzzle is "infinite." > An infinite number of anything, no matter how > small, even neutrons, has infinite mass and hence > exerts infinite gravitational force. > > Your infinite stack of Earths will collapsr at the > speed of light, having wrapped all space and time > around itself. You are a string of particles stretched > out over light years, with the tip of your nose pressed > against the event horizon at the speed of light where > you feel infinite force, but you are not moving because > time is standing still for you, and you will stay that > way forever... in your inertial frame. > > The Newtonian solution is simple. Using the central > force assumption of Newtonian gravitation (hey! works > for me!), the gravity you feel is the sum of an infinite series: > 1 + (1/3)^2 + (1/5)^2 + (1/7)^2 + (1/9)^2 + (1/11)^2 + > (1/13)^2 + (1/15)^2 + (1/17)^2 + (1/19)^2 + ... = > 1.208722 G's! (approximately, OK?) > > Your problem is that your Earths are too close together. > There is a cosmological solution that allows an infinite > static universe with infinite mass to have a finite and low > mass density. They're called Charlier universes, but I > never met one. They're awfully empty... > > Experiment is the key to all knowledge. You stack up > an infinite number of Earths, then time falling objects > with a pendulum, or even better, time the pendulum... > right in the heart of downtown Gedankenland. > > > Sterling K. Webb > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Brumleve" jdb1729 at gmail.com > To: mojave_meteorites at cox.net > cc: "meteorite-list" meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:57 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) > > >> Reminds me of a thought-experiment that I thought of... >> >> If there are an infinite number of Earths stacked on top of each >> other, how much gravity do you feel standing on top? >> >> Dan >> ______________________________________________ > > From altmann at meteorite-martin.de Wed Aug 26 18:19:17 2009 From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:19:17 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update In-Reply-To: <4A95A797.6010201@meteoritesusa.com> References: <4A95A797.6010201@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <005401ca269b$40f40240$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Hi list, I was also very sceptic in the beginning about that spacifieds-thing. But for testing, I tried to post an ad - and the handling, it is easy as a pie. Just some fields in a form, a text, photos no matter how small or large, press the button, ready. No 800,000 different options like in ebay, where nobody knows, where they should be good for, no endless choices of design, style, templates, no ebay bafflegab, no accounts, no formatting troubles, no paypal-terrorism, no spam and no secret knowledge of the typist guild necessary. And no auctions, no reverse auctions, no Dutch auctions, no 100 pieces left auctions, no is-an-auctions-but-if-I-get-an-offer-it-is-no-auction-anymore-but-gone-aucti ons, no startprice-auctions - no pressure of time, but the ingenious concept, that the people simply say, what they want for their stones!! BEST IS, you don't have to register, if you buy there! No obligations, just simply study the offers, and if you are interested in a piece, use the form to send a message to the offerer. No hundred clicks until you're finally at your destination, much faster than ebay and other lists of classifieds. So as frightened we all are about Eric's sometimes brash impetus to invent in meteoritics everything completely new ;-) I can't say it else, as this time he made it really, really good! Yah, Tweets, Twitter, Blogs, Feeds and deeds... don't worry, we old people all don't have any idea, what that should be good for, IMPORTANT is: you don't have to know how such stuff is working and you don't have to care for it at all, when you're reading the classifieds or when you post an ad - that thing makes all automatically. Hence very comfort. So I think, that spacified definitely deserves a try, has all preconditions to get a nice marketplace for meteorites. So take a look and give that spacified.com a chance, that it won't die like so many other new attempts. You'll find now, in the beginning already some good and some very good specimens there (3 are from me) - check it out! Martin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Meteorites USA Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2009 23:23 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update Hi guys, Just a quick email to say thanks for over 2000 Hits! Spacifieds.com - Over - 2400 Hits In Less than 48 hrs Over - 400+ unique visitors have either posted ads or visited 46 Total Ads Posted Not too shabby for a brand new site... Thanks Guys! Spacifieds.com is Free to post your items for sale of trade Auto Tweet: Automatically posts all ad listings to the "Official" Spacifieds.com Twitter page LIVE! For FREE! ReTweet Button - In ALL ad listing. Allows visitors and you to retweet any ad posting! You can even Retweet your own ad listing directly to Twitter! Free Meteorite Contest: Get the most views on your ad listing and get this meteorite: http://www.spacifieds.com/meteorites/free-meteorite-contest-post-ads-win-det ails/ UPDATE - Current CONTEST Leader: Pictorial Catalogue On One Hundred Indian Meteorites (1999) (99 views) Posting a link to this would be unfair, so I'll let you check it out if you want to see it. Ebay Links: YES! You are allowed to post your individual Ebay Auction links or links to your Ebay store in your ad listings. Dealers: YES! you can include links directly to your Spacifieds ad listings in your emails and advertisements just like you do with your Ebay auctions. The links are search engine friendly too, meaning Google likes them. And there's no symbols or nonsense that could cause broken links. BlogRoll Link: Free Blogroll link to your astronomy or meteorite related website just for posting 10 ads or more. This link is visible to visitors on EVERY page of the site. Premium Featured AD Space: Top Of Every Page! I've added 18 spots! 50x50 pixel banner ads at the top of the site. These ads display on EVERY page of the site! There's really a lot more but you have to join to find out. http://www.spacifieds.com What are you waiting for. Thanks everyone, for all your help, advice, and feedback, maybe this could actually turn into something useful for the meteorite and astronomy community. I know you can use it, and hope you like it! Also I just wanted to say, Spacifieds is not limited to meteorites. If you're an amateur or professional astronomer, astronomy buff, or scientist you're more than welcome to post your astronomy related classified free. Trade items and Wanted ad listings are welcome too. Got an old collection of Astronomy magazines you want to sell? Space related comics? How about an old telescope, or collectible lithograph? Maybe you have a digital camera, or some other electronic device. Scientific equipment is also welcome. Microscopes, scales, testing equipment, lab equipment. Basically anything related to astronomy can be listed for free. Buy, Sell, Trade, and Wanted listings. Enjoy... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA Spacifieds.com P.S. I still have 5 (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites USA home page. $99 year or $150 for both Meteorites USA and MeteoriteBlog.com http://www.meteoritesusa.com/ads.htm ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From meteoritemike at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 18:22:48 2009 From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:22:48 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update In-Reply-To: <005401ca269b$40f40240$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <4A95A797.6010201@meteoritesusa.com> <005401ca269b$40f40240$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: I'm still trying to get one of my ads to post properly. I keep getting error messages. But I agree that it looks promising. :) On 8/26/09, Martin Altmann wrote: > Hi list, > > I was also very sceptic in the beginning about that spacifieds-thing. > But for testing, I tried to post an ad - and the handling, it is easy as a > pie. > Just some fields in a form, a text, photos no matter how small or large, > press the button, ready. > No 800,000 different options like in ebay, where nobody knows, where they > should be good for, no endless choices of design, style, templates, > no ebay bafflegab, no accounts, no formatting troubles, no paypal-terrorism, > no spam and no secret knowledge of the typist guild necessary. > > And no auctions, no reverse auctions, no Dutch auctions, no 100 pieces left > auctions, no > is-an-auctions-but-if-I-get-an-offer-it-is-no-auction-anymore-but-gone-aucti > ons, no startprice-auctions - no pressure of time, > > but the ingenious concept, that the people simply say, what they want for > their stones!! > > BEST IS, you don't have to register, if you buy there! > > No obligations, just simply study the offers, and if you are interested in a > piece, use the form to send a message to the offerer. > > No hundred clicks until you're finally at your destination, much faster than > ebay and other lists of classifieds. > > > So as frightened we all are about Eric's sometimes brash impetus to invent > in meteoritics everything completely new ;-) > I can't say it else, as this time he made it really, really good! > > > Yah, Tweets, Twitter, Blogs, Feeds and deeds... don't worry, > we old people all don't have any idea, what that should be good for, > IMPORTANT is: you don't have to know how such stuff is working > and you don't have to care for it at all, when you're reading the > classifieds or when you post an ad - that thing makes all automatically. > > Hence very comfort. > > > So I think, that spacified definitely deserves a try, has all preconditions > to get a nice marketplace for meteorites. > > So take a look and give that spacified.com a chance, > that it won't die like so many other new attempts. > > You'll find now, in the beginning already some good and some very good > specimens there (3 are from me) - check it out! > > Martin > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von > Meteorites USA > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2009 23:23 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update > > Hi guys, Just a quick email to say thanks for over 2000 Hits! > > Spacifieds.com - > Over - 2400 Hits In Less than 48 hrs > Over - 400+ unique visitors have either posted ads or visited > 46 Total Ads Posted > > Not too shabby for a brand new site... Thanks Guys! > > Spacifieds.com is Free to post your items for sale of trade > Auto Tweet: Automatically posts all ad listings to the "Official" > Spacifieds.com Twitter page LIVE! For FREE! > ReTweet Button - In ALL ad listing. Allows visitors and you to retweet > any ad posting! > You can even Retweet your own ad listing directly to Twitter! > > Free Meteorite Contest: Get the most views on your ad listing and get > this meteorite: > http://www.spacifieds.com/meteorites/free-meteorite-contest-post-ads-win-det > ails/ > > UPDATE - Current CONTEST Leader: Pictorial Catalogue On One Hundred > Indian Meteorites (1999) (99 views) > Posting a link to this would be unfair, so I'll let you check it out if > you want to see it. > > Ebay Links: YES! You are allowed to post your individual Ebay Auction > links or links to your Ebay store in your ad listings. > > Dealers: YES! you can include links directly to your Spacifieds ad > listings in your emails and advertisements just like you do with your > Ebay auctions. The links are search engine friendly too, meaning Google > likes them. And there's no symbols or nonsense that could cause broken > links. > > BlogRoll Link: Free Blogroll link to your astronomy or meteorite related > website just for posting 10 ads or more. This link is visible to > visitors on EVERY page of the site. > > Premium Featured AD Space: Top Of Every Page! I've added 18 spots! 50x50 > pixel banner ads at the top of the site. These ads display on EVERY page > of the site! > > There's really a lot more but you have to join to find out. > http://www.spacifieds.com > > What are you waiting for. > > Thanks everyone, for all your help, advice, and feedback, maybe this > could actually turn into something useful for the meteorite and > astronomy community. > > I know you can use it, and hope you like it! > > Also I just wanted to say, Spacifieds is not limited to meteorites. If > you're an amateur or professional astronomer, astronomy buff, or > scientist you're more than welcome to post your astronomy related > classified free. Trade items and Wanted ad listings are welcome too. Got > an old collection of Astronomy magazines you want to sell? Space related > comics? How about an old telescope, or collectible lithograph? Maybe you > have a digital camera, or some other electronic device. Scientific > equipment is also welcome. Microscopes, scales, testing equipment, lab > equipment. Basically anything related to astronomy can be listed for > free. Buy, Sell, Trade, and Wanted listings. > > Enjoy... > > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA > Spacifieds.com > > P.S. I still have 5 (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites > USA home page. $99 year or $150 for both Meteorites USA and > MeteoriteBlog.com http://www.meteoritesusa.com/ads.htm > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- ......................................................... Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .......................................................... From cynapse at charter.net Wed Aug 26 20:03:12 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:03:12 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <50D4A4E8156347A4B30C91E59DCD3FE7@ATARIENGINE2> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:46:33 -0700, you wrote: >I had never heard of Charlier universes, looks like an applicable >framework, I will read more about it, thanks! Oh, that theory lies beween the two extremes, the Charlie universe and the Charliest universe. Sort of like the strong and weak anthropic principles. From mlblood at cox.net Wed Aug 26 18:59:47 2009 From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:59:47 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH In-Reply-To: <005301ca2694$0889e2f0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: Not once. Michael PS: Standard question: "where do meteorites come from?" (in said Misspoken grammar). On 8/26/09 2:27 PM, "Martin Altmann" wrote: > But Captain, it is! > > Remember how often you are asked, whether there are meteorites from other > galaxies ! > > Skol > Martin > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael > Blood > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2009 23:09 > An: cynapse at charter.net; Meteorite List > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question > > Please guys, > This is not exactly hard core meteorite related. > A few posts - ok - hell, a dozen posts, ok. But this > On and on and on and on is enough already! > Can those few of you obsessed with this take it off > The list, please? > ( could be wrong - if there are dozens of List members > Who want to see this stay on the list, go ahead and post to > The list and in the subject line put "KEEP the SOL Q > Going" > Not to be a bummer - Michael > > > On 8/26/09 10:35 AM, "Darren Garrison" wrote: > >> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> Ok, so what's the speed of dark? >>> >> >> "The speed of dark is known to be greater than that of light. It must be, >> otherwise the dark wouldn?t be able to get out of the light?s way." >> >> http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From bobl at peaktopeak.com Wed Aug 26 19:04:13 2009 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:04:13 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update In-Reply-To: <4A95A797.6010201@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <20090826230427.8DF851056C@mailwash5.pair.com> Oh my god, Eric! Enough! Please. I know you are trying to provide a much-needed service to everyone, but you said a few days ago that your posts are not Ads, yet they really are. They are more annoying than most other peoples' ads and you are trying to pull more and more people to see your websites, so in effect, THEY ARE ADS. Did Billy Mays reincarnate himself in your body??? :-) Even if YOU are not selling meteorite specimens on your Spacifieds.com website, and the service that you are making available is free to others, it is still an advertisement because ads don't have to result in direct sales; you are drumming up visits to your websites where you are trying to rent ad space on your websites ("P.S. I still have 5 (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites USA home page. $99 year or $150 for both Meteorites USA and MeteoriteBlog.com..."), so that's obviously an ad. You are sending out one or two of these "updates" every day. Only ONE per week, please. Maybe at the end of the week you can tell us about all of the new features or new websites in ONE e-mail. BTW, I don't have a problem with your website or content; I actually like what you are doing. It's the announcements/ads that are breaking the rules. Maybe I'm wrong... and if I am, I'm sure a few people will tell me. :-) Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites USA Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:23 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update Hi guys, Just a quick email to say thanks for over 2000 Hits! Spacifieds.com - Over - 2400 Hits In Less than 48 hrs Over - 400+ unique visitors have either posted ads or visited 46 Total Ads Posted Not too shabby for a brand new site... Thanks Guys! Spacifieds.com is Free to post your items for sale of trade Auto Tweet: Automatically posts all ad listings to the "Official" Spacifieds.com Twitter page LIVE! For FREE! ReTweet Button - In ALL ad listing. Allows visitors and you to retweet any ad posting! You can even Retweet your own ad listing directly to Twitter! Free Meteorite Contest: Get the most views on your ad listing and get this meteorite: http://www.spacifieds.com/meteorites/free-meteorite-contest-post-ads-win-det ails/ UPDATE - Current CONTEST Leader: Pictorial Catalogue On One Hundred Indian Meteorites (1999) (99 views) Posting a link to this would be unfair, so I'll let you check it out if you want to see it. Ebay Links: YES! You are allowed to post your individual Ebay Auction links or links to your Ebay store in your ad listings. Dealers: YES! you can include links directly to your Spacifieds ad listings in your emails and advertisements just like you do with your Ebay auctions. The links are search engine friendly too, meaning Google likes them. And there's no symbols or nonsense that could cause broken links. BlogRoll Link: Free Blogroll link to your astronomy or meteorite related website just for posting 10 ads or more. This link is visible to visitors on EVERY page of the site. Premium Featured AD Space: Top Of Every Page! I've added 18 spots! 50x50 pixel banner ads at the top of the site. These ads display on EVERY page of the site! There's really a lot more but you have to join to find out. http://www.spacifieds.com What are you waiting for. Thanks everyone, for all your help, advice, and feedback, maybe this could actually turn into something useful for the meteorite and astronomy community. I know you can use it, and hope you like it! Also I just wanted to say, Spacifieds is not limited to meteorites. If you're an amateur or professional astronomer, astronomy buff, or scientist you're more than welcome to post your astronomy related classified free. Trade items and Wanted ad listings are welcome too. Got an old collection of Astronomy magazines you want to sell? Space related comics? How about an old telescope, or collectible lithograph? Maybe you have a digital camera, or some other electronic device. Scientific equipment is also welcome. Microscopes, scales, testing equipment, lab equipment. Basically anything related to astronomy can be listed for free. Buy, Sell, Trade, and Wanted listings. Enjoy... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA Spacifieds.com P.S. I still have 5 (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites USA home page. $99 year or $150 for both Meteorites USA and MeteoriteBlog.com http://www.meteoritesusa.com/ads.htm ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2318 - Release Date: 08/25/09 18:07:00 From cynapse at charter.net Wed Aug 26 20:16:14 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:16:14 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: References: <8CBF41F07B0488C-130-319AB@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> <2E29685776C7418C9CFC31C331F9FA96@bellatrix> Message-ID: One more post on this-- I remembered that way back at the dawn of time (okay, the dawn of the 1990s) in my college English 101 class, I did a paper on fast interstellar travel. I haven't looked at it in years, as I avoid looking at most of my early writings for the fear of it being cringe-worthy bad. This one doesn't look TOO bad, though-- don't be too hard on past 18/19 year old me. I can't find the works cited section, but here's the body of the text, with some relevance to this topic (if off topic for the list in general). (quoted fossil document) Popular science fiction productions such as Star Wars, Star Trek, and Dr. Who portray traveling from star to star to be commonplace and even trivial, with large ships, the equivalent of luxury liners, traveling interstellar distances in a matter of hours. Traveling to another star seems simpler than crossing an ocean in the times of Columbus. In reality, the laws of physics show that fast interstellar travel will be very difficult, if not impossible, to accomplish. According to Carl Sagan, an astronomer at Cornell University, "Fast interstellar space flight with ship velocity approaching the speed of light, is an objective not for a hundred years but for a thousand or ten thousand" (Sagan 203). Another scientist states "although casual observers of the space travel scene may view starflight as only a modest step beyond trips to the planets in our solar system, it will in fact be inordinately more difficult" (Woodcock 39). He continues by explaining that the farthest man has yet traveled, our moon, is 400,000 Km away. The nearest star, on the other hand, is 40,000,000,000,000 Km away. In a scale model of the solar system between the Earth and the moon being 1 cm, the distance to the The fastest traveling spacecraft to date, Pioneer 10, Had a top speed of 51,800 kph and a final cruising speed of 40,000 kph (Darling 99). At this speed, it would take over 100,000 years to travel to the nearest star. Clearly this is not fast. To get to its destination in a reasonable amount of time, the ship's speed must be increased drastically. This increase in speed runs into both physical and engineering problems. Unlike classical Newtonian physics, which says that an increase in force applied to an object will result in an equal increase in speed, Einstein's equations show that as an object's speed increases, so does its mass, so that even more force has to be applied to increase its speed by the same amount. and more so that near the speed of light most energy applied goes to an increase in mass and almost none to increase in speed (Asimov 207). What this means from a practical standpoint is that to travel faster will require much more fuel to be carried.What type of fuel will be used? According to one scientist "for interstellar travel, chemical propulsion rockets are woefully inadequate; other technologies must be brought into play" (Darling 95). Chemical rockets burn a very large amount of fuel to produce a relatively small amount of energy. Even other technologies, none of which have been developed, do not look very promising. Many different technologies have been proposed, all of which have flaws and none of which will be easy to develop and maintain. Fission rockets would circulate a liquid, such as liquid hydrogen, through a fission reactor. The liquid would be heated into a gas and thrust out the back of the ship. This is one of the simplest technologies; but will provide too little thrust for fast interstellar travel. Another idea is the ion rocket, which accelerates the charged particles produced by a fission reaction through an electric field. With an exhaust speed of around 50 kph, this is still too slow. Ion rockets with exhaust speeds of up to 1000 kph might be possible, but to accelerate to 10 percent of the speed of light would take a mass ratio of 10 trillion to 1, meaning that 10 billion metric tons of fuel would be needed for every kilogram of payload. Fusion rockets are manageable, with exhaust speeds of up to 10,000 kph. Accelerating to 10 percent of the speed of light would take only 20 kilograms of fuel for each kilogram of payload. This is only to accelerate, however. The ship must also slow down when it reaches the destination, and the fuel that is used to slow down must be accelerated along with it. That means to reach the destination would take 20 squared or 400 kilograms of fuel for each kilogram of payload. Square this again for the trip back to Earth, and it takes 80 metric tons of propellant for each kilogram of payload that returns to Earth (Darling 96). Even matter-antimatter, the most efficient fuel possible, would take 100 kilograms of fuel for every kilogram of payload on a round trip at 98 percent of the speed of light (Asimov 231-6). Even if the problems with sheer mass of fuel to be used are overcome, there are still problems to be dealt with. According to one scientist, if a traditional rocket design were to be used, there would have to be several meters of solid tungsten shielding between the reactors and the cockpit, plus tons of equipment to cool the metal, which will ass even more mass to be accelerated. Not only will the voyagers have to worry about radiation from the fuel supply, but also from space itself. According to Relativity, there is no difference between a ship moving rapidly through space and the ship standing still and the universe rushing past the ship. This means that the faster anything travels, the harder objects in its path hit it. At 10 percent of the speed of light a collision with an object the size of a pea would release as much energy as a small atomic bomb (Woodcock 45-6). As the ship approaches the speed of light very closely, even the surrounding hydrogen atoms would be energetic enough to be high energy radiation. As they strike the ship in large numbers, they would heat it up enough to destroy it. There are other factors involved besides pure physics. Many medical problems result from long-duration space trips. Among these problems are deossification of the bones, partial atrophy of the muscles and depression of the immune system (Steele 36-50). It would also take a special breed of person to make these voyages; someone highly skilled in many sciences, able to get along with the same small group of people for long periods of time, but still able to cope with isolation from the rest of the Earth's population. Even with the correct ship design and the correct crew roster, the ship will be difficult to build, requiring an unprecedented level of co-operation between nations. A starship, if built, would have to be assembled in orbit, using yet-to-be built space stations and factories and hundreds if not thousands of construction workers in space. The ship itself would be on the order of a thousand meters in length, weigh a million metric tons, and cost a trillion dollars (Woodcock 47). For these reasons, plus other factors, it is very unlikely man will ever utilize fast interstellar travel. Much of the glory of science fiction, therefore is just a pipe-dream. From bobl at peaktopeak.com Wed Aug 26 19:12:35 2009 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:12:35 -0600 Subject: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090826231246.188A4105AD@mailwash5.pair.com> Hi Mike H. and all, Even if some of the people on the list are interested, that doesn't mean that it should be allowed. If it's not on-topic, it is still breaking the list rule because it's not about meteorites, meteors, etc. The Alien and matrix discussions were also not on topic. If we allow this to go on, then everyone can post their own off-topic messages and we'll have a free-for-all. Let's try to keep everything somewhat related to meteorites. Otherwise, I'll start talking about my house or my Jeep or my cats (because they are all on the Earth... and meteorites hit the Earth... therefore they must be on-topic, right?). And then we'll have the Haiku poets come out of the woodwork... argh. :-) Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hankey Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:55 PM To: Michael Blood Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ENOUGH Speed-of-light question i hear ya, and agree about being on topic, but there seems to be a good bit of interest in this topic, so i'd say let it roll...? you can tell from the subject what its related to, so you can easily delete the emails without reading them if you're not interested. its kind of fun / enjoyable for me to follow along, if it was off list, i would miss a lot of these replies, i think this is in the same category as the alien discussion and matrix discussions... not really meteor related, but interesting none the less. I think volume of replies often suggests a good topic people are interested in. I'm also eagerly awaiting Rob's answer. http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/jack-knows-best.j pg Mike Hankey, http://www.mikesastrophotos.com On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Blood wrote: > Please guys, > ? ? ? ?This is not exactly hard core meteorite related. > ? ? ? ?A few posts - ok ?- hell, a dozen posts, ok. But this > On and on and on and on is enough already! > ? ? ? ?Can those few of you obsessed with this take it off > The list, please? > ? ? ? ?( could be wrong - if there are dozens of List members > Who want to see this stay on the list, go ahead and post to > The list and in the subject line put "KEEP the SOL Q > Going" > ? ? ? ?Not to be a bummer - Michael > > > On 8/26/09 10:35 AM, "Darren Garrison" wrote: > >> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:49:01 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> Ok, so what's the speed of dark? >>> >> >> "The speed of dark is known to be greater than that of light. It must be, >> otherwise the dark wouldn?t be able to get out of the light?s way." >> >> http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/MATHDW/light.html >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2318 - Release Date: 08/25/09 18:07:00 From anitawestlake at att.net Wed Aug 26 19:32:52 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: <20090825212056.2638B.99510.imail@fed1rmwml31> References: <20090825212056.2638B.99510.imail@fed1rmwml31> Message-ID: <709431.47494.qm@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Please don't judge all Georgians by one crack-pot! Some of us are downright friendly and are just eat-up with Southern hospitality! Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: "cdtucson at cox.net" To: drtanuki ; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:20:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information OMG, That's amazing. You are all? welcome to hunt in Arizona anytime you'd like. We might be a bit friendlier here. . Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- drtanuki wrote: > Meteorite hunters banished from Burke > By Elizabeth Billips lizbillips at yahoo.com > > The two meteorite hunters caught trespassing in Burke County won't be coming back. > > They've been banished. > > In state court last Wednesday morning, Las Vegas meteorite hunter Ralph "Sonny" Clary Jr., 49, and ... > > http://www.thetruecitizen.com/news/2009/0408/for_the_record/032.html > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cynapse at charter.net Wed Aug 26 21:08:42 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:08:42 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: <709431.47494.qm@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <20090825212056.2638B.99510.imail@fed1rmwml31> <709431.47494.qm@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:32:52 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Please don't judge all Georgians by one crack-pot! Just because you don't like people tresspassing on your land does not make you a crackpot. Judging from the details in that article (details that I hadn't seen before) the two hunters were absoutely, without question, 100% wrong, and were very lucky that they didn't end up in morgue drawers instead of jail cells. And there would not be a jury in the state of Georga that would convict an old woman for shooting two strange men found on her land-- it probably wouldn't even reach Grand Jury. From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com Wed Aug 26 20:20:47 2009 From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:20:47 EDT Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information Message-ID: You must be joking! It's not like they were breaking into her house. I own 700+ acres in Idaho and if I took a shot at someone every time there were dirt bikers, snowmobilers, horse riders, hikers or hunters on my land, I would run out of ammo. Crossing someone's land that is not fenced and posted is not that big of a deal in a civilized culture. Don't make them out to be bad people or unprofesional. They were just unlucky enough to cross a nut jobs path! Tom In a message dated 8/26/2009 6:06:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cynapse at charter.net writes: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:32:52 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Please don't judge all Georgians by one crack-pot! Just because you don't like people tresspassing on your land does not make you a crackpot. Judging from the details in that article (details that I hadn't seen before) the two hunters were absoutely, without question, 100% wrong, and were very lucky that they didn't end up in morgue drawers instead of jail cells. And there would not be a jury in the state of Georga that would convict an old woman for shooting two strange men found on her land-- it probably wouldn't even reach Grand Jury. ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From gmhupe at htn.net Wed Aug 26 20:22:46 2009 From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:22:46 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Newly Listed Auctions Started - AD Message-ID: Dear List Members, It has a been a couple months since I loaded any eBay auctions, so with "Back to School" for the students and an "End of Summer" for many collectors, I loaded up about 34 nice 'Meteorite' items tonight by seller, NaturesVault. Most are started at just 99 cents, you bidders can name your own price (bid high or low, it's up to you!). If you bid as quick as the 'Speed of Light', you may be able to win the auctions so 'Alien' bidders don't get what you are after! ;-) There was a thread about holes in meteorites last week so in the spirit of That thread, one of the auctions is for a complete slice of a classified eucrite with a natural hole! You will find many Lunar and Martian meteorites and plenty of achondrites as well! All of my current auctions can be found by clicking here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault Thank you for bidding!! Best regards, Greg ==================== Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmhupe at htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 ==================== Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault From anitawestlake at att.net Wed Aug 26 20:39:30 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update In-Reply-To: <20090826230427.8DF851056C@mailwash5.pair.com> References: <20090826230427.8DF851056C@mailwash5.pair.com> Message-ID: <673230.1437.qm@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Bob and List: ?? I agree. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to say this. I have had to BLOCK Eric's emails for weeks now. Enough is quite enough.. Eric has abused his privileges and this list. Play nice or I have nothing more to say to you. Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Loeffler To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:04:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update Oh my god, Eric!? Enough!? Please.? I know you are trying to provide a much-needed service to everyone, but you said a few days ago that your posts are not Ads, yet they really are.? They are more annoying than most other peoples' ads and you are trying to pull more and more people to see your websites, so in effect, THEY ARE ADS.? Did Billy Mays reincarnate himself in your body???? :-)? Even if YOU are not selling meteorite specimens on your Spacifieds.com website, and the service that you are making available is free to others, it is still an advertisement because ads don't have to result in direct sales; you are drumming up visits to your websites where you are trying to rent ad space on your websites ("P.S. I still have 5 (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites USA home page. $99 year or $150 for both Meteorites USA and MeteoriteBlog.com..."), so that's obviously an ad. You are sending out one or two of these "updates" every day.? Only ONE per week, please.? Maybe at the end of the week you can tell us about all of the new features or new websites in ONE e-mail. BTW, I don't have a problem with your website or content; I actually like what you are doing.? It's the announcements/ads that are breaking the rules. Maybe I'm wrong... and if I am, I'm sure a few people will tell me.? :-) Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites USA Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:23 PM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update Hi guys, Just a quick email to say thanks for over 2000 Hits! Spacifieds.com - Over - 2400 Hits In Less than 48 hrs Over - 400+ unique visitors have either posted ads or visited 46 Total Ads Posted Not too shabby for a brand new site... Thanks Guys! Spacifieds.com is Free to post your items for sale of trade Auto Tweet: Automatically posts all ad listings to the "Official" Spacifieds.com Twitter page LIVE! For FREE! ReTweet Button - In ALL ad listing. Allows visitors and you to retweet any ad posting! You can even Retweet your own ad listing directly to Twitter! Free Meteorite Contest: Get the most views on your ad listing and get this meteorite: http://www.spacifieds.com/meteorites/free-meteorite-contest-post-ads-win-det ails/ UPDATE - Current CONTEST Leader: Pictorial Catalogue On One Hundred Indian Meteorites (1999) (99 views) Posting a link to this would be unfair, so I'll let you check it out if you want to see it. Ebay Links: YES! You are allowed to post your individual Ebay Auction links or links to your Ebay store in your ad listings. Dealers: YES! you can include links directly to your Spacifieds ad listings in your emails and advertisements just like you do with your Ebay auctions. The links are search engine friendly too, meaning Google likes them. And there's no symbols or nonsense that could cause broken links. BlogRoll Link: Free Blogroll link to your astronomy or meteorite related website just for posting 10 ads or more. This link is visible to visitors on EVERY page of the site. Premium Featured AD Space: Top Of Every Page! I've added 18 spots! 50x50 pixel banner ads at the top of the site. These ads display on EVERY page of the site! There's really a lot more but you have to join to find out. http://www.spacifieds.com What are you waiting for. Thanks everyone, for all your help, advice, and feedback, maybe this could actually turn into something useful for the meteorite and astronomy community. I know you can use it, and hope you like it! Also I just wanted to say, Spacifieds is not limited to meteorites. If you're an amateur or professional astronomer, astronomy buff, or scientist you're more than welcome to post your astronomy related classified free. Trade items and Wanted ad listings are welcome too. Got an old collection of Astronomy magazines you want to sell? Space related comics? How about an old telescope, or collectible lithograph? Maybe you have a digital camera, or some other electronic device. Scientific equipment is also welcome. Microscopes, scales, testing equipment, lab equipment. Basically anything related to astronomy can be listed for free. Buy, Sell, Trade, and Wanted listings. Enjoy... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA Spacifieds.com P.S. I still have 5 (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites USA home page. $99 year or $150 for both Meteorites USA and MeteoriteBlog.com http://www.meteoritesusa.com/ads.htm ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2318 - Release Date: 08/25/09 18:07:00 ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cynapse at charter.net Wed Aug 26 21:48:51 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:48:51 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:20:47 EDT, you wrote: >You must be joking! It's not like they were breaking into her house. > My "home" includes my land. If you are on my land, you are "in my house." >I own 700+ acres in Idaho and if I took a shot at someone every time there >were dirt bikers, snowmobilers, horse riders, hikers or hunters on my >land, I would run out of ammo. Crossing someone's land that is not fenced and >posted is not that big of a deal in a civilized culture. > There is a difference between "crossing" and "wandering around on." And there is a difference between having hundreds of acres of open land and having a few acres that you live in, alone, elderly, and with a history of armed poachers on your land. Staying the holy hell off of someone else's personal property also should not be a problem in a civilized culture. >Don't make them out to be bad people or unprofesional. They were just >unlucky enough to cross a nut jobs path! I don't make them out to be bad people-- just wrong. And this woman is NOT a nut job. She was 100% within her rights. I don't know this woman, but I'm personally offended at her being characterized as a crackpot-- she was RIGHT, the collectors were WRONG. Some people think that their homes and their land are a personal refuge from the outside world where you can relax, live as you want, and BE SAFE. You have no way of knowing what the intentions of any trespasser are-- they could be harmless, and they could be out to rob or kill you-- and at the very least, they are disturbing your privacy. The burden is NOT on the home owner to prove that a trespasser is harmless before treating them like they are a danger. If a total stranger is found wandering on my property, the logical, sane, and self-preserving thing to do is be on my guard and assume that they are a risk until THEY prove that they are not. I used to wish a meteorite would fall on my property-- but after joining this list, I no longer wish that. People with the attitude of being able to go wherever they damn well please without permission and people with attitudes like Steve Arnold's, where he bragged about using hard-sell tactics to try to badger land owners into letting him search their lands make me hope like hell that a meteorite never lands anywhere near me. From anitawestlake at att.net Wed Aug 26 20:48:03 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: <1D50A02A-7DDA-49B6-B5D2-1F480CD625F7@notkin.net> References: <20090825212056.2638B.99510.imail@fed1rmwml31> <709431.47494.qm@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <1D50A02A-7DDA-49B6-B5D2-1F480CD625F7@notkin.net> Message-ID: <202225.69797.qm@web83813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Geoff. I'd like to bestow upon you the title of True Southern Gentleman. My people come from southern England (Plymouth) and I can recognize a true gentleman when I see one. I apologize, in my best southern accent, for temporarily being off-topic. Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: Notkin To: Anita Westlake Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:08 PM Subject: Re: Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information > Some of us are downright friendly and are just eat-up with Southern hospitality! Isn't that the truth! My brother used to live in Macon and I've had many a fine time in lovely Georgia. Cheers, Geoff ***************** Geoffrey Notkin Aerolite Meteorites P.O. Box 36652 Tucson, AZ 85740, USA (888) SKY ROXX (520) 742 3333 info at aerolite.org www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org www.tucsoncitizen.com/lizard From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 26 20:51:19 2009 From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites for sal (AD) Message-ID: <127393.39797.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hello list.I have a few meteorites forsale if interested.And please off list.There will also be free shipping as well anywhere in the cosmos.At least here. ___________________________________________________________________________________ 1.sikote-alin? 76.5 grams w/2 holes?? hupe collection card???????????????????????????? $275 2.nwa 482 (lunar)? .164 gram part slice??????????????????????????????????????????????????????? $450 3.3 small unclassified stone individuals????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? $ 25 4.3 small oriented sikote-alin buttons??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? $300 5.nwa 788?? 36 gram endcut??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? $75 6.130 gram unclassified stone fully crusted with bottom 2ndary crust??????????? $90 7.nwa 5477???L3 type?? 22 gram endcut?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? $175 ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! From dave at fallingrocks.com Wed Aug 26 20:51:44 2009 From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:51:44 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: <709431.47494.qm@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <20090825212056.2638B.99510.imail@fed1rmwml31> <709431.47494.qm@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The vast majority are indeed that friendly, Anita, as you certainly know first-hand. But while we certainly do have a few crackpots in Georgia, it does not appear that this lady is one... Dave www.fallingrocks.com -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Anita Westlake Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:33 PM To: cdtucson at cox.net; drtanuki; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information Please don't judge all Georgians by one crack-pot! Some of us are downright friendly and are just eat-up with Southern hospitality! Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: "cdtucson at cox.net" To: drtanuki ; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:20:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information OMG, That's amazing. You are all? welcome to hunt in Arizona anytime you'd like. We might be a bit friendlier here. . Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax ---- drtanuki wrote: > Meteorite hunters banished from Burke > By Elizabeth Billips lizbillips at yahoo.com > > The two meteorite hunters caught trespassing in Burke County won't be coming back. > > They've been banished. > > In state court last Wednesday morning, Las Vegas meteorite hunter Ralph "Sonny" Clary Jr., 49, and ... > > http://www.thetruecitizen.com/news/2009/0408/for_the_record/032.html > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From drtanuki at yahoo.com Wed Aug 26 21:01:31 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] AZ meteorite find video Message-ID: <444382.30752.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear List, There is a new video of the Meteorite Hunter, Mike Farmer, on YOuTube. The video can be watched at this website: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Congrats Mike on your professionally made video and documentation. And what a great find! Best Regards, Dirk...Tokyo From anitawestlake at att.net Wed Aug 26 21:01:52 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <969995.33329.qm@web83808.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> No, I'm not joking. Nut jobs are nut jobs, not matter where you live.? This woman truly had??"some issues". Most of us in Georgia, do not act like that.? We'd just as soon invite you for tea as get riled up about a foot-bridge. And, regardless what you've heard about "Deliverance",??we don't usally rape strangers!. (We save that for kinfolk!)? Wait a minute: I don't think I'm helping my cause. Let me drink some more moonshine and get back with you! Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: "STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com" To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:20:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information You must be joking!? It's not like they were breaking into her? house. I own 700+ acres in Idaho and if I took a shot at someone every? time there were dirt bikers, snowmobilers, horse riders, hikers or hunters on my? land, I would run out of ammo.? Crossing someone's land that is not fenced? and posted is not that big of a deal in a civilized culture. Don't make them out to be bad people or unprofesional.? They were just? unlucky enough to cross a nut jobs path! Tom In a message dated 8/26/2009 6:06:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,? cynapse at charter.net writes: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:32:52 -0700 (PDT), you? wrote: >Please don't judge all Georgians by one crack-pot!? Just because you don't like people tresspassing on your land does not? make you a crackpot.? Judging from the details in that article (details? that I hadn't seen before) the two hunters were absoutely, without question,? 100% wrong, and were very lucky that they didn't end up in morgue drawers? instead of jail cells.? And there would not be a jury in the state of? Georga that would convict an old woman for shooting two strange men found on? her land-- it probably wouldn't even reach Grand? Jury. ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list? mailing? list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From geoking at notkin.net Wed Aug 26 21:06:06 2009 From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:06:06 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information Message-ID: Anita posted: > Some of us are downright friendly and are just eat-up with Southern > hospitality! Isn't that the truth! My brother used to live in Macon and I've had many a fine time in lovely Georgia. Cheers, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org From eric at meteoritesusa.com Wed Aug 26 21:11:51 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:11:51 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update In-Reply-To: <20090826230427.8DF851056C@mailwash5.pair.com> References: <20090826230427.8DF851056C@mailwash5.pair.com> Message-ID: <4A95DD57.1080709@meteoritesusa.com> Hey Bob, Anita, List, Thanks for the plug for Spacifieds! I appreciate it. ;) Also, Thank you very much for the kind words on what I'm doing Bob. I'm trying against all odds, and fighting upstream and uphill, but it seems to be working. We'll see. I don't know about you, but I would certainly like better to read about something that is contributing to the meteorite and astronomy world and community as a whole, rather than the negative posts that's been posted of late. Not to get into anything heavy, but I've written LONG emails that I have not posted to the list concerning this issue. Rather than post more negative content, I wanted to actually contribute something instead. Something for everyone to use and enjoy. To sum it up. If they can post their negative stuff without consequences so can I! Simple as that. Sorry if that sounds petty or harsh or like a double standard but sometimes the truth hurts. If Art would like to suspend or take action against me for it then that is his prerogative, and he needs to take action against EVERYONE else that has broken the rules. If this thread turns into something else I will post ALL my long emails which I chose not to post, and I will subside into the realm of the lurkers. For now... Anita I appreciate your honesty and bluntness, I apologize for causing you any grief or making you feel that you needed to block my emails. There was NO disrespect meant. But I CANNOT nor will I apologize for my posts. Period. No offense, and no disrespect intended to anyone. (hopefully someone will forward this to her if she still has my email blocked.) Before anyone judges me, my posts or my sites, I'd like you to think back about the last month or two and the posts to the list, and you'll be forced to agree that my posts, are NOTHING compared to the libelous, and flaming attacks that EVERYONE has had to deal with. I would rather keep it light, and positive in nature. I created the Spacifieds.com for everyone, and that's why I've "announced" it and given you guys "updates" to garner the excitement that it will take to launch this site into a successful platform for both the meteorite and astronomy communities. I don't have to make it, I don't have to offer free ads, I don't have to give away free links to dealer sites, I don't have to pay the fees it costs me to run the site, I don't have to spend the time designing it, I don't have to spend countless hours building and marketing it, I don't have to build sites for other people on list, I don't have to help people with their advertising in this down economy, I don't have to do anything concerning this list. I do it because I genuinely want to, and because I want to contribute something to the community! NOT solely to make money or sell ad space. I ask everyone, honestly which is worse? My so called "ads" or the vitriol that's been spewed forth on this list the last couple months! If you can answer that honestly I want to here from you. By the way, take a look at my new site and take part. Don't just complain about my posts. Have any of you actually gone to the site and tried it? You should... It is after all made for you guys! Thanks everyone! Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA Spacifieds.com Bob Loeffler wrote: > Oh my god, Eric! Enough! Please. I know you are trying to provide a > much-needed service to everyone, but you said a few days ago that your posts > are not Ads, yet they really are. They are more annoying than most other > peoples' ads and you are trying to pull more and more people to see your > websites, so in effect, THEY ARE ADS. Did Billy Mays reincarnate himself in > your body??? :-) Even if YOU are not selling meteorite specimens on your > Spacifieds.com website, and the service that you are making available is > free to others, it is still an advertisement because ads don't have to > result in direct sales; you are drumming up visits to your websites where > you are trying to rent ad space on your websites ("P.S. I still have 5 > (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites USA home page. $99 year > or $150 for both Meteorites USA and MeteoriteBlog.com..."), so that's > obviously an ad. You are sending out one or two of these "updates" every > day. Only ONE per week, please. Maybe at the end of the week you can tell > us about all of the new features or new websites in ONE e-mail. > > BTW, I don't have a problem with your website or content; I actually like > what you are doing. It's the announcements/ads that are breaking the rules. > Maybe I'm wrong... and if I am, I'm sure a few people will tell me. :-) > > Thanks, > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites > USA > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:23 PM > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update > > Hi guys, Just a quick email to say thanks for over 2000 Hits! > > Spacifieds.com - > Over - 2400 Hits In Less than 48 hrs > Over - 400+ unique visitors have either posted ads or visited > 46 Total Ads Posted > > Not too shabby for a brand new site... Thanks Guys! > > Spacifieds.com is Free to post your items for sale of trade > Auto Tweet: Automatically posts all ad listings to the "Official" > Spacifieds.com Twitter page LIVE! For FREE! > ReTweet Button - In ALL ad listing. Allows visitors and you to retweet > any ad posting! > You can even Retweet your own ad listing directly to Twitter! > > Free Meteorite Contest: Get the most views on your ad listing and get > this meteorite: > http://www.spacifieds.com/meteorites/free-meteorite-contest-post-ads-win-det > ails/ > > UPDATE - Current CONTEST Leader: Pictorial Catalogue On One Hundred > Indian Meteorites (1999) (99 views) > Posting a link to this would be unfair, so I'll let you check it out if > you want to see it. > > Ebay Links: YES! You are allowed to post your individual Ebay Auction > links or links to your Ebay store in your ad listings. > > Dealers: YES! you can include links directly to your Spacifieds ad > listings in your emails and advertisements just like you do with your > Ebay auctions. The links are search engine friendly too, meaning Google > likes them. And there's no symbols or nonsense that could cause broken > links. > > BlogRoll Link: Free Blogroll link to your astronomy or meteorite related > website just for posting 10 ads or more. This link is visible to > visitors on EVERY page of the site. > > Premium Featured AD Space: Top Of Every Page! I've added 18 spots! 50x50 > pixel banner ads at the top of the site. These ads display on EVERY page > of the site! > > There's really a lot more but you have to join to find out. > http://www.spacifieds.com > > What are you waiting for. > > Thanks everyone, for all your help, advice, and feedback, maybe this > could actually turn into something useful for the meteorite and > astronomy community. > > I know you can use it, and hope you like it! > > Also I just wanted to say, Spacifieds is not limited to meteorites. If > you're an amateur or professional astronomer, astronomy buff, or > scientist you're more than welcome to post your astronomy related > classified free. Trade items and Wanted ad listings are welcome too. Got > an old collection of Astronomy magazines you want to sell? Space related > comics? How about an old telescope, or collectible lithograph? Maybe you > have a digital camera, or some other electronic device. Scientific > equipment is also welcome. Microscopes, scales, testing equipment, lab > equipment. Basically anything related to astronomy can be listed for > free. Buy, Sell, Trade, and Wanted listings. > > Enjoy... > > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA > Spacifieds.com > > P.S. I still have 5 (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites > USA home page. $99 year or $150 for both Meteorites USA and > MeteoriteBlog.com http://www.meteoritesusa.com/ads.htm > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2318 - Release Date: 08/25/09 > 18:07:00 > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From anitawestlake at att.net Wed Aug 26 21:11:48 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <528150.53746.qm@web83803.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Darren: ? I think this woman was a nut-job b /c she over-reacted to trepassing. Makes me think she had a still or something else she was hiding! ? Sure, I don't want people trespassing on my property, but to take it to court seems a little extreme to me. What I??would have done, had it been me, would? be to say: "Cool! Let me know if you find anything!" ? I realize that not all people think like me. 'Tis a pity. Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: Darren Garrison To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:48:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:20:47 EDT, you wrote: >You must be joking!? It's not like they were breaking into her? house. > My "home" includes my land.? If you are on my land, you are "in my house." >I own 700+ acres in Idaho and if I took a shot at someone every? time there >were dirt bikers, snowmobilers, horse riders, hikers or hunters on my? >land, I would run out of ammo.? Crossing someone's land that is not fenced? and >posted is not that big of a deal in a civilized culture. > There is a difference between "crossing" and "wandering around on."? And there is a difference between having hundreds of acres of open land and having a few acres that you live in, alone, elderly, and with a history of armed poachers on your land.? Staying the holy hell off of someone else's personal property also should not be a problem in a civilized culture. >Don't make them out to be bad people or unprofesional.? They were just? >unlucky enough to cross a nut jobs path! I don't make them out to be bad people-- just wrong.? And this woman is NOT a nut job.? She was 100% within her rights.? I don't know this woman, but I'm personally offended at her being characterized as a crackpot-- she was RIGHT, the collectors were WRONG.? Some people think that their homes and their land are a personal refuge from the outside world where you can relax, live as you want, and BE SAFE.? You have no way of knowing what the intentions of any trespasser are-- they could be harmless, and they could be out to rob or kill you-- and at the very least, they are disturbing your privacy.? The burden is NOT on the home owner to prove that a trespasser is harmless before treating them like they are a danger.? If a total stranger is found wandering on my property, the logical, sane, and self-preserving thing to do is be on my guard and assume that they are a risk until THEY prove that they are not. I used to wish a meteorite would fall on my property-- but after joining this list, I no longer wish that.? People with the attitude of being able to go wherever they damn well please without permission and people with attitudes like Steve Arnold's, where he bragged about using hard-sell tactics to try to badger land owners into letting him search their lands make me hope like hell that a meteorite never lands anywhere near me. ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From cynapse at charter.net Wed Aug 26 22:22:42 2009 From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:22:42 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21rb95tc6eqshommo6n126ig8q4v69pqpq@4ax.com> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:20:47 EDT, you wrote: >land, I would run out of ammo. Crossing someone's land that is not fenced and >posted is not that big of a deal in a civilized culture. The point I was wanting to make, and I'll drop this issue-- is that we do NOT live in a civilized culture. We live in a culture where every day of the week people are murdered for their pocket change, or for fun. We live in a culture where meth-heads come on to your land and steal everything that isn't nailed down (then steal the things that are nailed down, like power lines, and ripping apart air conditioners for copper) for a cheap fix. We live in a culture where people face home invasions, where the home-owners are tied up, beaten, tortured, and often killed for whatever small amount of money can be extracted from them. We live in a culture were guns are cheap, easily avaialible, and there are people who place no value on human life. This happened a couple of counties away from me not long ago: http://www.google.com/search?q=serial%20killer%20gaffney&hl=en&ned=us&tab=nw So, no, being concerned about strange men wandering around on your land isn't crackpottery-- it is realism. From anitawestlake at att.net Wed Aug 26 21:16:46 2009 From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update In-Reply-To: <4A95DD57.1080709@meteoritesusa.com> References: <20090826230427.8DF851056C@mailwash5.pair.com> <4A95DD57.1080709@meteoritesusa.com> Message-ID: <927212.46041.qm@web83802.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Eric: ? I wish I could accept your emails, but they still seem like spam to me. I appreciate what you're doing for the community; I really do. I just don't have time for it. ? Keep on keeping on, Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: Meteorites USA To: Bob Loeffler Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:11:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update Hey Bob, Anita, List, Thanks for the plug for Spacifieds! I appreciate it. ;) Also, Thank you very much for the kind words on what I'm doing Bob. I'm trying against all odds, and fighting upstream and uphill, but it seems to be working. We'll see. I don't know about you, but I would certainly like better to read about something that is contributing to the meteorite and astronomy world and community as a whole, rather than the negative posts that's been posted of late. Not to get into anything heavy, but I've written LONG emails that I have not posted to the list concerning this issue. Rather than post more negative content, I wanted to actually contribute something instead. Something for everyone to use and enjoy. To sum it up. If they can post their negative stuff without consequences so can I! Simple as that. Sorry if that sounds petty or harsh or like a double standard but sometimes the truth hurts. If Art would like to suspend or take action against me for it then that is his prerogative, and he needs to take action against EVERYONE else that has broken the rules. If this thread turns into something else I will post ALL my long emails which I chose not to post, and I will subside into the realm of the lurkers. For now... Anita I appreciate your honesty and bluntness, I apologize for causing you any grief or making you feel that you needed to block my emails. There was NO disrespect meant. But I CANNOT nor will I apologize for my posts. Period. No offense, and no disrespect intended to anyone. (hopefully someone will forward this to her if she still has my email blocked.) Before anyone judges me, my posts or my sites, I'd like you to think back about the last month or two and the posts to the list, and you'll be forced to agree that my posts, are NOTHING compared to the libelous, and flaming attacks that EVERYONE has had to deal with. I would rather keep it light, and positive in nature. I created the Spacifieds.com for everyone, and that's why I've "announced" it and given you guys "updates" to garner the excitement that it will take to launch this site into a successful platform for both the meteorite and astronomy communities. I don't have to make it, I don't have to offer free ads, I don't have to give away free links to dealer sites, I don't have to pay the fees it costs me to run the site, I don't have to spend the time designing it, I don't have to spend countless hours building and marketing it, I don't have to build sites for other people on list, I don't have to help people with their advertising in this down economy, I don't have to do anything concerning this list. I do it because I genuinely want to, and because I want to contribute something to the community! NOT solely to make money or sell ad space. I ask everyone, honestly which is worse? My so called "ads" or the vitriol that's been spewed forth on this list the last couple months! If you can answer that honestly I want to here from you. By the way, take a look at my new site and take part.? Don't just complain about my posts. Have any of you actually gone to the site and tried it? You should... It is after all made for you guys! Thanks everyone! Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA Spacifieds.com Bob Loeffler wrote: > Oh my god, Eric!? Enough!? Please.? I know you are trying to provide a > much-needed service to everyone, but you said a few days ago that your posts > are not Ads, yet they really are.? They are more annoying than most other > peoples' ads and you are trying to pull more and more people to see your > websites, so in effect, THEY ARE ADS.? Did Billy Mays reincarnate himself in > your body???? :-)? Even if YOU are not selling meteorite specimens on your > Spacifieds.com website, and the service that you are making available is > free to others, it is still an advertisement because ads don't have to > result in direct sales; you are drumming up visits to your websites where > you are trying to rent ad space on your websites ("P.S. I still have 5 > (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites USA home page. $99 year > or $150 for both Meteorites USA and MeteoriteBlog.com..."), so that's > obviously an ad. You are sending out one or two of these "updates" every > day.? Only ONE per week, please.? Maybe at the end of the week you can tell > us about all of the new features or new websites in ONE e-mail. > > BTW, I don't have a problem with your website or content; I actually like > what you are doing.? It's the announcements/ads that are breaking the rules. > Maybe I'm wrong... and if I am, I'm sure a few people will tell me.? :-) > > Thanks, > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites > USA > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:23 PM > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update > > Hi guys, Just a quick email to say thanks for over 2000 Hits! > > Spacifieds.com - > Over - 2400 Hits In Less than 48 hrs > Over - 400+ unique visitors have either posted ads or visited > 46 Total Ads Posted > > Not too shabby for a brand new site... Thanks Guys! > > Spacifieds.com is Free to post your items for sale of trade > Auto Tweet: Automatically posts all ad listings to the "Official" Spacifieds.com Twitter page LIVE! For FREE! > ReTweet Button - In ALL ad listing. Allows visitors and you to retweet any ad posting! > You can even Retweet your own ad listing directly to Twitter! > > Free Meteorite Contest: Get the most views on your ad listing and get this meteorite: > http://www.spacifieds.com/meteorites/free-meteorite-contest-post-ads-win-det > ails/ > > UPDATE - Current CONTEST Leader: Pictorial Catalogue On One Hundred Indian Meteorites (1999) (99 views) > Posting a link to this would be unfair, so I'll let you check it out if you want to see it. > > Ebay Links: YES! You are allowed to post your individual Ebay Auction links or links to your Ebay store in your ad listings. > > Dealers: YES! you can include links directly to your Spacifieds ad listings in your emails and advertisements just like you do with your Ebay auctions. The links are search engine friendly too, meaning Google likes them. And there's no symbols or nonsense that could cause broken links. > > BlogRoll Link: Free Blogroll link to your astronomy or meteorite related website just for posting 10 ads or more. This link is visible to visitors on EVERY page of the site. > > Premium Featured AD Space: Top Of Every Page! I've added 18 spots! 50x50 pixel banner ads at the top of the site. These ads display on EVERY page of the site! > > There's really a lot more but you have to join to find out. > http://www.spacifieds.com > > What are you waiting for. > > Thanks everyone, for all your help, advice, and feedback, maybe this could actually turn into something useful for the meteorite and astronomy community. > > I know you can use it, and hope you like it! > > Also I just wanted to say, Spacifieds is not limited to meteorites. If you're an amateur or professional astronomer, astronomy buff, or scientist you're more than welcome to post your astronomy related classified free. Trade items and Wanted ad listings are welcome too. Got an old collection of Astronomy magazines you want to sell? Space related comics? How about an old telescope, or collectible lithograph? Maybe you have a digital camera, or some other electronic device. Scientific equipment is also welcome. Microscopes, scales, testing equipment, lab equipment. Basically anything related to astronomy can be listed for free. Buy, Sell, Trade, and Wanted listings. > > Enjoy... > > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA > Spacifieds.com > > P.S. I still have 5 (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites USA home page. $99 year or $150 for both Meteorites USA and MeteoriteBlog.com http://www.meteoritesusa.com/ads.htm > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2318 - Release Date: 08/25/09 > 18:07:00 > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >? ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list From eric at meteoritesusa.com Wed Aug 26 21:23:43 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:23:43 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update In-Reply-To: <927212.46041.qm@web83802.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <20090826230427.8DF851056C@mailwash5.pair.com> <4A95DD57.1080709@meteoritesusa.com> <927212.46041.qm@web83802.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A95E01F.7050100@meteoritesusa.com> Hi Anita, Thank you! That means a lot to me... I will keep on... You all can count on that. ;) Regards, Eric Anita Westlake wrote: > Hi Eric: > I wish I could accept your emails, but they still seem like spam to me. I appreciate what you're doing for the community; I really do. I just don't have time for it. > Keep on keeping on, > Anita > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Meteorites USA > To: Bob Loeffler > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:11:51 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update > > Hey Bob, Anita, List, > > Thanks for the plug for Spacifieds! I appreciate it. ;) > > Also, Thank you very much for the kind words on what I'm doing Bob. I'm trying against all odds, and fighting upstream and uphill, but it seems to be working. We'll see. > > I don't know about you, but I would certainly like better to read about something that is contributing to the meteorite and astronomy world and community as a whole, rather than the negative posts that's been posted of late. Not to get into anything heavy, but I've written LONG emails that I have not posted to the list concerning this issue. Rather than post more negative content, I wanted to actually contribute something instead. Something for everyone to use and enjoy. > > To sum it up. If they can post their negative stuff without consequences so can I! Simple as that. Sorry if that sounds petty or harsh or like a double standard but sometimes the truth hurts. If Art would like to suspend or take action against me for it then that is his prerogative, and he needs to take action against EVERYONE else that has broken the rules. If this thread turns into something else I will post ALL my long emails which I chose not to post, and I will subside into the realm of the lurkers. For now... > > Anita I appreciate your honesty and bluntness, I apologize for causing you any grief or making you feel that you needed to block my emails. There was NO disrespect meant. > > But I CANNOT nor will I apologize for my posts. Period. No offense, and no disrespect intended to anyone. (hopefully someone will forward this to her if she still has my email blocked.) > > Before anyone judges me, my posts or my sites, I'd like you to think back about the last month or two and the posts to the list, and you'll be forced to agree that my posts, are NOTHING compared to the libelous, and flaming attacks that EVERYONE has had to deal with. > > I would rather keep it light, and positive in nature. > > I created the Spacifieds.com for everyone, and that's why I've "announced" it and given you guys "updates" to garner the excitement that it will take to launch this site into a successful platform for both the meteorite and astronomy communities. > > I don't have to make it, I don't have to offer free ads, I don't have to give away free links to dealer sites, I don't have to pay the fees it costs me to run the site, I don't have to spend the time designing it, I don't have to spend countless hours building and marketing it, I don't have to build sites for other people on list, I don't have to help people with their advertising in this down economy, I don't have to do anything concerning this list. > > I do it because I genuinely want to, and because I want to contribute something to the community! NOT solely to make money or sell ad space. > > I ask everyone, honestly which is worse? My so called "ads" or the vitriol that's been spewed forth on this list the last couple months! If you can answer that honestly I want to here from you. > > By the way, take a look at my new site and take part. Don't just complain about my posts. Have any of you actually gone to the site and tried it? > > You should... It is after all made for you guys! > > Thanks everyone! > > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA > Spacifieds.com > > > > Bob Loeffler wrote: > >> Oh my god, Eric! Enough! Please. I know you are trying to provide a >> much-needed service to everyone, but you said a few days ago that your posts >> are not Ads, yet they really are. They are more annoying than most other >> peoples' ads and you are trying to pull more and more people to see your >> websites, so in effect, THEY ARE ADS. Did Billy Mays reincarnate himself in >> your body??? :-) Even if YOU are not selling meteorite specimens on your >> Spacifieds.com website, and the service that you are making available is >> free to others, it is still an advertisement because ads don't have to >> result in direct sales; you are drumming up visits to your websites where >> you are trying to rent ad space on your websites ("P.S. I still have 5 >> (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites USA home page. $99 year >> or $150 for both Meteorites USA and MeteoriteBlog.com..."), so that's >> obviously an ad. You are sending out one or two of these "updates" every >> day. Only ONE per week, please. Maybe at the end of the week you can tell >> us about all of the new features or new websites in ONE e-mail. >> >> BTW, I don't have a problem with your website or content; I actually like >> what you are doing. It's the announcements/ads that are breaking the rules. >> Maybe I'm wrong... and if I am, I'm sure a few people will tell me. :-) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bob >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites >> USA >> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:23 PM >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update >> >> Hi guys, Just a quick email to say thanks for over 2000 Hits! >> >> Spacifieds.com - >> Over - 2400 Hits In Less than 48 hrs >> Over - 400+ unique visitors have either posted ads or visited >> 46 Total Ads Posted >> >> Not too shabby for a brand new site... Thanks Guys! >> >> Spacifieds.com is Free to post your items for sale of trade >> Auto Tweet: Automatically posts all ad listings to the "Official" Spacifieds.com Twitter page LIVE! For FREE! >> ReTweet Button - In ALL ad listing. Allows visitors and you to retweet any ad posting! >> You can even Retweet your own ad listing directly to Twitter! >> >> Free Meteorite Contest: Get the most views on your ad listing and get this meteorite: >> http://www.spacifieds.com/meteorites/free-meteorite-contest-post-ads-win-det >> ails/ >> >> UPDATE - Current CONTEST Leader: Pictorial Catalogue On One Hundred Indian Meteorites (1999) (99 views) >> Posting a link to this would be unfair, so I'll let you check it out if you want to see it. >> >> Ebay Links: YES! You are allowed to post your individual Ebay Auction links or links to your Ebay store in your ad listings. >> >> Dealers: YES! you can include links directly to your Spacifieds ad listings in your emails and advertisements just like you do with your Ebay auctions. The links are search engine friendly too, meaning Google likes them. And there's no symbols or nonsense that could cause broken links. >> >> BlogRoll Link: Free Blogroll link to your astronomy or meteorite related website just for posting 10 ads or more. This link is visible to visitors on EVERY page of the site. >> >> Premium Featured AD Space: Top Of Every Page! I've added 18 spots! 50x50 pixel banner ads at the top of the site. These ads display on EVERY page of the site! >> >> There's really a lot more but you have to join to find out. >> http://www.spacifieds.com >> >> What are you waiting for. >> >> Thanks everyone, for all your help, advice, and feedback, maybe this could actually turn into something useful for the meteorite and astronomy community. >> >> I know you can use it, and hope you like it! >> >> Also I just wanted to say, Spacifieds is not limited to meteorites. If you're an amateur or professional astronomer, astronomy buff, or scientist you're more than welcome to post your astronomy related classified free. Trade items and Wanted ad listings are welcome too. Got an old collection of Astronomy magazines you want to sell? Space related comics? How about an old telescope, or collectible lithograph? Maybe you have a digital camera, or some other electronic device. Scientific equipment is also welcome. Microscopes, scales, testing equipment, lab equipment. Basically anything related to astronomy can be listed for free. Buy, Sell, Trade, and Wanted listings. >> >> Enjoy... >> >> Regards, >> Eric Wichman >> Meteorites USA >> Spacifieds.com >> >> P.S. I still have 5 (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites USA home page. $99 year or $150 for both Meteorites USA and MeteoriteBlog.com http://www.meteoritesusa.com/ads.htm >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2318 - Release Date: 08/25/09 >> 18:07:00 >> >> ______________________________________________ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > From eric at meteoritesusa.com Wed Aug 26 21:32:05 2009 From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:32:05 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update In-Reply-To: <005401ca269b$40f40240$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> References: <4A95A797.6010201@meteoritesusa.com> <005401ca269b$40f40240$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2> Message-ID: <4A95E215.4020502@meteoritesusa.com> Martin, Thanks! I couldn't ask for a better review. I appreciate it. 3 ads? That's wonderful... Now, go post more ads... ;) More ads mean more buyers! Regards, Eric Martin Altmann wrote: > Hi list, > > I was also very sceptic in the beginning about that spacifieds-thing. > But for testing, I tried to post an ad - and the handling, it is easy as a > pie. > Just some fields in a form, a text, photos no matter how small or large, > press the button, ready. > No 800,000 different options like in ebay, where nobody knows, where they > should be good for, no endless choices of design, style, templates, > no ebay bafflegab, no accounts, no formatting troubles, no paypal-terrorism, > no spam and no secret knowledge of the typist guild necessary. > > And no auctions, no reverse auctions, no Dutch auctions, no 100 pieces left > auctions, no > is-an-auctions-but-if-I-get-an-offer-it-is-no-auction-anymore-but-gone-aucti > ons, no startprice-auctions - no pressure of time, > > but the ingenious concept, that the people simply say, what they want for > their stones!! > > BEST IS, you don't have to register, if you buy there! > > No obligations, just simply study the offers, and if you are interested in a > piece, use the form to send a message to the offerer. > > No hundred clicks until you're finally at your destination, much faster than > ebay and other lists of classifieds. > > > So as frightened we all are about Eric's sometimes brash impetus to invent > in meteoritics everything completely new ;-) > I can't say it else, as this time he made it really, really good! > > > Yah, Tweets, Twitter, Blogs, Feeds and deeds... don't worry, > we old people all don't have any idea, what that should be good for, > IMPORTANT is: you don't have to know how such stuff is working > and you don't have to care for it at all, when you're reading the > classifieds or when you post an ad - that thing makes all automatically. > > Hence very comfort. > > > So I think, that spacified definitely deserves a try, has all preconditions > to get a nice marketplace for meteorites. > > So take a look and give that spacified.com a chance, > that it won't die like so many other new attempts. > > You'll find now, in the beginning already some good and some very good > specimens there (3 are from me) - check it out! > > Martin > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von > Meteorites USA > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. August 2009 23:23 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] Over 2000 Hits & Contest Update > > Hi guys, Just a quick email to say thanks for over 2000 Hits! > > Spacifieds.com - > Over - 2400 Hits In Less than 48 hrs > Over - 400+ unique visitors have either posted ads or visited > 46 Total Ads Posted > > Not too shabby for a brand new site... Thanks Guys! > > Spacifieds.com is Free to post your items for sale of trade > Auto Tweet: Automatically posts all ad listings to the "Official" > Spacifieds.com Twitter page LIVE! For FREE! > ReTweet Button - In ALL ad listing. Allows visitors and you to retweet > any ad posting! > You can even Retweet your own ad listing directly to Twitter! > > Free Meteorite Contest: Get the most views on your ad listing and get > this meteorite: > http://www.spacifieds.com/meteorites/free-meteorite-contest-post-ads-win-det > ails/ > > UPDATE - Current CONTEST Leader: Pictorial Catalogue On One Hundred > Indian Meteorites (1999) (99 views) > Posting a link to this would be unfair, so I'll let you check it out if > you want to see it. > > Ebay Links: YES! You are allowed to post your individual Ebay Auction > links or links to your Ebay store in your ad listings. > > Dealers: YES! you can include links directly to your Spacifieds ad > listings in your emails and advertisements just like you do with your > Ebay auctions. The links are search engine friendly too, meaning Google > likes them. And there's no symbols or nonsense that could cause broken > links. > > BlogRoll Link: Free Blogroll link to your astronomy or meteorite related > website just for posting 10 ads or more. This link is visible to > visitors on EVERY page of the site. > > Premium Featured AD Space: Top Of Every Page! I've added 18 spots! 50x50 > pixel banner ads at the top of the site. These ads display on EVERY page > of the site! > > There's really a lot more but you have to join to find out. > http://www.spacifieds.com > > What are you waiting for. > > Thanks everyone, for all your help, advice, and feedback, maybe this > could actually turn into something useful for the meteorite and > astronomy community. > > I know you can use it, and hope you like it! > > Also I just wanted to say, Spacifieds is not limited to meteorites. If > you're an amateur or professional astronomer, astronomy buff, or > scientist you're more than welcome to post your astronomy related > classified free. Trade items and Wanted ad listings are welcome too. Got > an old collection of Astronomy magazines you want to sell? Space related > comics? How about an old telescope, or collectible lithograph? Maybe you > have a digital camera, or some other electronic device. Scientific > equipment is also welcome. Microscopes, scales, testing equipment, lab > equipment. Basically anything related to astronomy can be listed for > free. Buy, Sell, Trade, and Wanted listings. > > Enjoy... > > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA > Spacifieds.com > > P.S. I still have 5 (125x125 pixel) ad spots available on the Meteorites > USA home page. $99 year or $150 for both Meteorites USA and > MeteoriteBlog.com http://www.meteoritesusa.com/ads.htm > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > From drtanuki at yahoo.com Wed Aug 26 21:36:27 2009 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite News Site repaired Message-ID: <495071.54199.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear List, Thank you to those that emailed me to tell the Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News website was not loading properly. The problem has been fixed and it takes less than a second now for the page to load. AZ Meteorite Video: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Dirk From bmason3 at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 23:54:27 2009 From: bmason3 at comcast.net (Bill Mason) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:54:27 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information In-Reply-To: <528150.53746.qm@web83803.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <528150.53746.qm@web83803.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01ca26ca$134ad100$39e07300$@net> Dear Fellow members, Today in the United States we have a group of people who are so insecure and so stupid that they do not have the ability to think beyond their own have little world....me,me,me is the limit of their scope of existence. Consider the source, when being Accused - you'd find this woman probably totally miserable. The judge who ruled by rule of law - no rational thinking on his part - no understanding only unimaginative condemnation. We are in trouble-when emotion wins over rational thinking. Bill Mason "rusting" -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Anita Westlake Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:12 PM To: cynapse at charter.net; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information Hi Darren: ? I think this woman was a nut-job b /c she over-reacted to trepassing. Makes me think she had a still or something else she was hiding! ? Sure, I don't want people trespassing on my property, but to take it to court seems a little extreme to me. What I??would have done, had it been me, would? be to say: "Cool! Let me know if you find anything!" ? I realize that not all people think like me. 'Tis a pity. Anita ----- Original Message ---- From: Darren Garrison To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:48:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:20:47 EDT, you wrote: >You must be joking!