From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Sun Mar  1 00:01:21 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:01:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 1, 2009
Message-ID: <16821592.2244921235883681213.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_1_2009.html

From thomasmeteorites at wanadoo.fr  Sun Mar  1 02:45:27 2009
From: thomasmeteorites at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Thomas)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:45:27 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Tamdakht eBay auctions
References: <29031433.268073.1235388567349.JavaMail.www@wwinf1c02>
Message-ID: <3DA8F731-4766-4D53-A88E-A97B030BA004@wanadoo.fr>

Hello,

We have some eBay auctions ending soon:
Here are the links of Tamdakht fragments that we found on 17 February  
2009, both have a picture in-situ and these fragments are sold with a  
piece of the rock ejected during the impact:

TAMDAKHT - New Moroccan Meteorite Fall - Fragment 9.14g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360134464462

TAMDAKHT New Moroccan Meteorite Fall - Fragments 3.27g, with picture  
in-situ
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360134465459

TAMDAKHT New Moroccan Meteorite Fall - Fragments 2.96g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360134466389

TAMDAKHT New Moroccan Meteorite Fall - Fragments 2.72g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360134467150

TAMDAKHT New Moroccan Meteorite Fall - Fragments 2.57g, with picture  
in-situ
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360134467765


Here are the links of Tamdakht thin sections:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360134097669
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360134097913
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360134098022

Thanks for looking and congrats to hunters for the new fall in Texas!

Philippe
www.meteoritica.com


From info at meteorites.com.au  Sun Mar  1 05:21:47 2009
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:21:47 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pricing question
In-Reply-To: <c91jq4p3hvfpc3re1oocsts4f8h99opa9j@4ax.com>
References: <F0PBX61eip68V8zDv600000009f@f0pbx61.vpoffsiteweb.local>
	<c91jq4p3hvfpc3re1oocsts4f8h99opa9j@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <6B9A7803866443F68160560C7FE949EE@JeffPC>

If it's leaving on a train from Chicago does that mean it arrived the day 
before at 40 MPH after being bought on ebay the day before that at 20,000 
MPH?! ;-)

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pricing question


> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:06:50 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>Suppose you have 3 specimens of a fairly common meteorite. Specimen #1 is
>>a nice 100g individual. #2 is an equally nice 100g endcut with a polished
>>face. #3 is a similarly nice 100g full slice, 3mm thick, with one side
>>polished and the other side rough. All specimens are of equal quality
>>(i.e., #1 is not a fabulously oriented piece, #3 does not have a
>>super-fantastic inclusion). If specimen #3 sells for $10 per gram, how
>>much do the others sell for?
>
> And what specimen #1 is on a train leaving Chicago at 8:15 traveling 80 
> MPH, and
> specimen #2 is on a bus leaving Memphis at...
>
> okay, I'd say that #1 and #2 would sell for less, because #3, having the 
> largest
> visible surface area, would be the most desirable.
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From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Sun Mar  1 06:04:18 2009
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:04:18 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending soon! / H/L3-6
Message-ID: <871799a20903010304g432e85cfqf2f2678d9a406089@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I have some auctions ending in a few hours:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9

Cheers, Peter

BTW: I still have some great slices of NWA 5554, the unique H/L3-6:
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id1.html


Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
IMCA #2747
p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/
ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9

From advance375a at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  1 06:55:37 2009
From: advance375a at yahoo.com (Todd Michael)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 03:55:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Michael Carter(InnerPlanetary Products) AD
Message-ID: <778658.80746.qm@web110702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


AD: I Have Several Exceptional Specimens For Sale.Multiple Lots Priced Perfectly To Re-Sell For Exceptional Profit.

Found Here:http://www.innerplanetaryproducts.com/id98.html

Mars And Moon Specimens(From The Hupe Collection)At Give-Away Prices:http://www.innerplanetaryproducts.com/id108.html

And Great Specimens For 50% OFF:http://www.innerplanetaryproducts.com/id103.html

And MANY Other Specimens On Sale:http://www.innerplanetaryproducts.com/id89.html

Sicerely 
M.T.Carter

PS- I am still adding multiple items for March,So Continue Looking Over InnerPlanetary Products For Great Additions At LOW Prices. 

www.innerplanetaryproducts.com

   
M.T.Carter 
IMCA #7131  
www.innerplanetaryproducts.com  
Meteorites and More...  
"Outer Space at Down to Earth Prices!"

From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 09:32:17 2009
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:32:17 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] To all the hunters at West, Texas
Message-ID: <468bf6050903010632j2174b246k5a75c712b32c912b@mail.gmail.com>

Could any of you that took pictures of me while we were hunting please
send me a copy of the pictures? I would really like to have any
pictures that were taken during the hunt, weather I am in them or not.
I am not very good at getting the camera out and actually taking
pictures. Most of my pictures are of meteorites, I guess that shows
where my head was during the hunt. Thanks in advance and of course if
you are still out there I can wait til you get home.

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
     928-753-6825

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  1 09:42:43 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:42:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West,
	Texas stone for sale. 6-7 grams Best offer gets it.
Message-ID: <780048.87735.qm@web110608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


As we begin our 12th day of meteorite hunting here in West, a bit delayed due to non-stop activity and 29 degree morning, I have decided to offer up my 10th West meteorite find for sale.
I hate to do this, as I have only found 13 stones and given away 2 of them already. However, the trip expenses of two weeks in hotels and rental cars is adding up to more than I like. 
I have so many people begging me for a stone, it is not fair  and impossible for me to choose who gets it and for what price at this point.
It seems most people are now finding one or no stones per day, I have had 3 out of 12 days with no finds at all. 

So, for the first time ever, I will take offers on this stone. 
I can not set a price, but I know for a fact there is less than 3 kilograms of this meteorite found so far, and I plan to go home Tuesday, so only 2 more days of hunting out here.

The stone offered weighs 6 grams on a 10 kilo scale, so it actually weighs between 6 and 7 grams, more likely near 7 on the high end. I had dreams of large stones so I only brought the large scale.
This stone has flawless fusion crust, and a break on one end with light secondary crust frosting over the milky-white interior.

Highest offer by the time I get back from hunting at ~8 pm tonight takes it. Winner will be notified by email from me. It will include copies of all newspapers from Waco/West and Fort Worth that did stories about me, the meteorite and the hunt after it was found.
Michael Farmer

From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Mar  1 10:00:47 2009
From: gmhupe at htn.net (gmhupe at htn.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:00:47 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] West, Texas For Sale - Best Offer
Message-ID: <51cace67f2cd484181605e0d9bcfa744.gmhupe@htn.net>

Dear List Members,

I have been hunting here in West, Texas for eight days with three of those having found none. On 
average I have found one stone per day, not too bad but with weather going from 85 degress down 
to 35 degress and 40mph winds, it takes a toll on us. The hot days provided us a few stones, and 
a couple of ticks from hunting through the woods. The cold days brought wind burn and froze any 
part of the body exposed. It is all well worth it. I will write more about my adventure later 
when I return home, most likely Tuesday night.

OK, now to what I would like to offer one of the eight stones I have found. I am offering here a 
fully crusted ~18 gram stone that has one tiny ding (less than 1mm) that has a secondary crust so 
it appears this stone hit another on its way down to earth after the meteor started to break 
apart. It has great thumb printing and has an odd redish crust in a couple areas overlapped by 
the typical black crust.

This will be for Best Offer by the end of our hunting day which will be about 9 PM Texas time.

I will include an emailed photo of the stone in-situ and a couple of newspapers to the winner.

Thank you,

Greg Hupe



From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Sun Mar  1 09:57:26 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:57:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METETORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <3011491.2256441235919446851.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html


From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Sun Mar  1 10:18:41 2009
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:18:41 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Trade and Sell AD
Message-ID: <d5e.44bb8e74.36dc0151@aol.com>

Hey Guys,

Slow start today, but I will  try my luck again later this morning.  
Meanwhile, I wanted to throw out an  offer to trade some West, Texas material for some 
Murchison. 

If you have  some Murchison, maybe around 5 to 20 grams, I would like to 
discuss a trade with  you further.

I will be offering several of the 19 stones I personally  have found, either 
for trade or for sale.  If interested in the details of  what I have, write me 
off list.  I will respond later  tonight.

Thanks,

Steve Arnold #1, Arkansas  

**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
steps! 
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%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

From Metorman46 at aol.com  Sun Mar  1 10:35:15 2009
From: Metorman46 at aol.com (Metorman46 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:35:15 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <c24.5718003a.36dc0533@aol.com>

Michael;
 
Your video coverage of the west fall and hunt has been fabulous and  
timely,Thanks.I am especially glad to see John Sinclair in one of the photo's  and ,of 
course,all the great hunters shown too.All of them are the ones that  fill 
our collections with fine specimens and i wish you and them the best in  this 
hobby.
 
Good luck all;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770.
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
steps! 
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%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

From cdtucson at cox.net  Sun Mar  1 10:54:50 2009
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 7:54:50 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] west, texas
Message-ID: <20090301105450.4ZORD.341224.imail@fed1rmwml39>

List,
What is  the official name of West? Or is it a Creek? 

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Sun Mar  1 12:16:48 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:16:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT -  ROB and HOPPER
Message-ID: <14109782.2263481235927808126.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html

________________

Michael Johnson
http://www.spacerocksinc.com



From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Sun Mar  1 13:36:48 2009
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:36:48 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] News segment with Hopper the Dog
Message-ID: <007201c99a9c$ae626730$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Hello all-

>From Austin News 8

http://www.news8austin.com/content/your_news/default.asp?ArID=233381

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971



From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sun Mar  1 13:57:19 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:57:19 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] News segment with Hopper the Dog
In-Reply-To: <007201c99a9c$ae626730$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>
Message-ID: <20090301185725.9083210559@mailwash5.pair.com>

The news segment was great and fun to watch live. We were all at a Mexican
restaurant for dinner only hours after the segment was filmed and Rob's
segment actually aired the same night on the TV in the restaurant. Here is
Rob (captured in the moment):

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Rob-N-Dog.jpg

Most of the Hispanic patrons were confused as to why there were a bunch of
excited people running towards the TV for a Dog, a man, and a black rock.
Once it kicked in that Rob was actually the guy on the TV it brought smiles
to everyone in the restaurant.

Los meteoritos!

Best,

Mike Bandli

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wesel
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:37 AM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] News segment with Hopper the Dog

Hello all-

>From Austin News 8

http://www.news8austin.com/content/your_news/default.asp?ArID=233381

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
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From shade6585719 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  1 14:18:29 2009
From: shade6585719 at yahoo.com (BOBO173rd)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:18:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite glass cleaning
Message-ID: <660684.75889.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hello ; Does anybody know how to clean meteorite glass;would hydrochloric acid 38% solution do the job.thanks hbobo


From Impactika at aol.com  Sun Mar  1 14:35:23 2009
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:35:23 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Trade and Sell AD
Message-ID: <d25.464cc8d0.36dc3d7b@aol.com>

Ah AH!
 
Trading for a meteorite with a stable, well-known value!  Smart!
 
Well..........I am not interested by West, TX at this time, but I do have a 
couple nice fragments of Murchison, one even has some crust. So, if one of you 
guys, just dying to own a piece of West, wants to buy the Murchison from me 
and then trade with Steven, just email me.
 
I am home, taking care of business.
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
------------------------------------------------------------
 
In a message dated 3/1/2009 8:21:46 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
MeteorHntr at aol.com writes:
Hey Guys,

Slow start today, but I will  try my luck again later this morning.  
Meanwhile, I wanted to throw out an  offer to trade some West, Texas material 
for some 
Murchison. 

If you have  some Murchison, maybe around 5 to 20 grams, I would like to 
discuss a trade with  you further.

I will be offering several of the 19 stones I personally  have found, either 
for trade or for sale.  If interested in the details of  what I have, write 
me 
off list.  I will respond later  tonight.

Thanks,

Steve Arnold #1, Arkansas  
**************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your 
neighborhood today. 
(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004)

From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Sun Mar  1 14:56:44 2009
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:56:44 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Video of West Meteorite Hunting Beer Break
Message-ID: <d2ef6ff4e5124b5bb0b252560ab83e11@ucv1.vhostdns.com>

I've returned from West, yesterday. I've got some fun video of the hunt. 

Here is a fun short with Mike, Greg, Ward and I during a "beer 30" break. Cameo by Jim Baxter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGfSRlz0_c

I'm compiling a 10 minute video that sums up the last 3 days. It will be up on youtube by tonight.

-mt



From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  1 15:21:41 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 12:21:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] west,texas fall
Message-ID: <741402.85044.qm@web57807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi list.I really wanted to just give a great YAHOO to all the people who are out there looking for this great new fall.Like mike farmer said,maybe only 3 kilo's for this fall.But like the future,it remains to be seen.Also the great video's that have given us?a peek as to what is going on down there.I also want to give a plug?to mike Johnson for all the pics of the day.Outstanding record of what is really going on there.I know that bob haag and bob c. are getting in on the party tomorrow so more competition for those stones from space.Has there been a total of some how as to how much weight has been collected yet?It seems like the hunting is starting to wind down somewhat.I would be down there,but getting a job is much more important to me right now,but I am there in spirit.I hope you all find more .Even the bigger stones.I would love to see that 13 gram oriented one sonny found.It sounds like a beaut.Well that it for now.Keep up the good guys and
 gals.I am offering $700 to anyone who is willing to sell me a 15 to 20 gram stone.Guarenteed!Let me know offlist.
?
Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://chicagometeorites.net/">http://chicagometeorites.net/</a>


      

From yellowengine at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  1 16:05:32 2009
From: yellowengine at earthlink.net (RJP)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:05:32 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [meteorite-list] west,texas fall
Message-ID: <21868808.1235941532557.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

.. $700 for a 15-20g stone?

I hate to burst your bubble, but I don't think anyone is going to be offering these at 50% off just yet.

By the way... didn't you already purchase one at $100 per gram??


From edwinthompson at comcast.net  Sun Mar  1 16:09:35 2009
From: edwinthompson at comcast.net (edwinthompson at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:09:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad for Patrick Thompson's meteorites from West,
	Texas
In-Reply-To: <1434254788.2315211235938681161.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <984034798.2330301235941775928.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



Hello list members,
Patrick arrived home last night from 8 days in Texas.  He had a great time and found fifteen small stones that were drifting around in Outer Space less than two weeks ago! Although he has hunted new potential strewn fields since 1987, most recently the event over Elgin, Oregon that fell at almost the same time last year, this was his first successful hunt. I'd like to thank all of the guys he hunted with for being a great group of mentors and showing good sportsmanship and ethics in the field.  
Patrick is not a collector but there is no doubt he will keep the first stone he found on this expedition.  We were all up late last night listening to his stories of the trip. Sure wish I could have been there. 
He is off today spending time with his girlfriend and goes back to his other job tomorrow.
So I am helping him sell the last of his stones.
He has four left. He is keeping the first stone he found and I think one other.  He is donating two stones for research and the others were sold before he left to return home. 

The weights on these four specimens are: 6.95 grams, 14.3, 15.2 and 20.4 grams. All have a broken surface displaying the interior matrix and they all appear to have broken in flight. So the other half is out there somewhere most likely found by another hunter.  We may slice the 20.4 gram specimen to display the wonderful breccia. The other three display breccia and shock veins. The 14.3 gram stone and the 20.4 gram stones are any scientists dream come true.  The 15.2 gram stone has an amazing display of the brecciated matrix and this is the 'bird turd meteorite'. Patrick called me on Friday morning from the field. He had just found another meteorite and he was excited about sharing the story with me. He was walking through a grassy area when something caught his eye.  It was a stone buried in the dirt and grass but it had a splat of white bird poop on it and it didn't look at all like the meteorites he had been finding all week. Still he bent down to see what it was and when he pulled it out of the soil it was a gorgeous, fresh, black,crusted half stone with bird poop covering part of the crust and a large surface area showing the breccia inside. When he told me over the phone I could see in my mind the picture from years ago of the SNC somebody found in the Sahara with a surveyors magnet sitting on it from many years earlier. So here it is folks and the bird poop is free!

These stones are available for best offer until 9pm tonight. Email me off list at etmeteorites at hotmail.com or edwinthompson at comcast.net with your offer.

If you would like to talk to Patrick about the stones or the experience or to ask him about the pictures and documentation that come with each stone you can call him at 503-807-2678 or email him at: PST123 at hotmail.com

Thanks very much, E.T.

From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Sun Mar  1 17:52:03 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:52:03 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] News segment with Hopper the Dog
Message-ID: <196533518-1235947950-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1423213951-@bxe1169.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Very nice!!!
Also, was great to see many of you hunters down there.
Matt
------Original Message------
From: Rob Wesel
Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] News segment with Hopper the Dog
Sent: Mar 1, 2009 11:36 AM

Hello all-

>From Austin News 8

http://www.news8austin.com/content/your_news/default.asp?ArID=233381

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971


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Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Sun Mar  1 19:23:52 2009
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:23:52 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad- 23.6 gram complete individual from West
Message-ID: <01cf01c99acd$2ad40140$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Complete stone, primary and secondary crust, nice artifacts kit.

Call for details 503.860.2944 up until 11pm Pacific

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971



From gredfern at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  1 13:22:29 2009
From: gredfern at earthlink.net (Greg Redfern)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:22:29 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Episode 12 of Astrocast is Online
Message-ID: <7C3B7F1F7701455393A32829025D73EE@gregufeopu010a>

Hello,

   Please tune in to the latest episode of Astrocast.tv:
http://astrocast.tv

All the best,

Greg 

Greg Redfern
NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador
http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html
WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE
http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113&nid=421
ASTROCAST
http://astrocast.tv/



From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  1 20:25:49 2009
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:25:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites were found in area (Historical report-
	Bellville, Ill.)
Message-ID: <402130.71468.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



http://www.bnd.com/schlueter/story/671793.html

Meteorites were found in area

Q. This may stretch your research powers a little, but I remember my grandfather telling me of a rather large meteor that struck the metro-east maybe 100 years ago. Of course, my friends think the only thing that's falling is my ability to remember. Can you rescue me?

A. Tilden's Harry Hirte was one farmer who nearly was sorry to be out standing in his field, as the old joke goes.


It was about 1 p.m. on July 13, 1927, when Hirte was working on his farm. Suddenly he heard "three distinct explosions followed by a rumbling and then a screetching noise," according to an account in the July 21 Belleville Daily Advocate.

 

A moment later, he saw a cloud of dust rise from a clover field on the nearby farm of Henry Dunn, which was just a quarter of a mile north of Tilden proper. When he went to investigate, he found a whopping 47-pound meteorite that had embedded itself 2 feet into the dirt.

 

Hirte wasn't the only person to make an out-of-this-world discovery that day. Nearby, Allen Raney, a coal miner, reported finding a 9-pound chunk that had buried itself a foot in the ground. Like Hirte, Raney reported his surprise in finding the rock cool to the touch when he quickly dug it up.

 

Soon Hirte's unusual specimen was drawing hundreds of spectators when it was displayed in Sparta and Tilden -- and in the offices of the Daily Advocate.

 

Since then, however, two other area residents have reported even closer encounters with the sky falling. On Sept. 28, 1938, a meteorite smashed through the roof of Edward McCain's garage in Benld, embedding itself in the seat of his 1937 Pontiac Coupe.

 

A neighbor, Mrs. Carl Crum, was reportedly standing about 50 feet from the crash site. If you're ever in Chicago, check out the nearly 3-pound meteorite and portions of the damaged car at the Field Museum of National History.

 

But here's the best can-you-top-this story of all: On Dec. 10, 1950, John Houser was driving home from work when two chunks of rock -- each about 2 1/2 inches wide -- slammed through the cloth top of his convertible as he drove down the 5600 block of West Florissant in St. Louis.

 

"I thought at first I'd had a blowout, but traffic was heavy and I wasn't able to stop for about a block," the 28-year-old Maplewood Park, Mo., man told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch later. "Then I found the hole in the top of the car and two broken fragments on the floor in back. I didn't think much about it until I read later of the meteor exploding over the city (witnessed by a TWA pilot and passengers)."

 

No need to start watching the skies while you're outside, though. While estimates run the gamut, astronomer and asteroid watcher Alan Harris recently put the odds at 1 in 700,000 of being killed by one during your lifetime.

 




      

From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  1 22:05:41 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:05:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] west,texas fall
In-Reply-To: <741402.85044.qm@web57807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <176562.64743.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


Checking the math Steve-- this isn't the $90 a gram you were recently hyping on the list.?? Do you get a cut in your unemployment check so now it is only $35 a gram you can afford?

Elton

--- On Sun, 3/1/09, steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] west,texas fall
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 3:21 PM
snip
.I am offering $700 to anyone who is willing to sell me a 15 to 20 gram
stone.Guarenteed!Let me know offlist.
?


From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  1 22:21:36 2009
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:21:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Still in West Texas...
Message-ID: <522499.63933.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi all, 
I must be insane! I drove to West, Texas last Thursday (1200 miles) then drove home on Tuesday. Then I flew back Friday and will be here till Wednesday. I'll have articles, pictures and of course videos when I return - One video about how I discovered Hopper the meteorite finding dog and one video of my total experience.

I've found some nice stones and will sell one or two (100 percent crusted) Email me off list if you are looking for one. 

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


      

From info at tektiteinc.com  Mon Mar  2 00:00:53 2009
From: info at tektiteinc.com (info at tektiteinc.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 00:00:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Rizalites ending on Ebay in less than a day!
Message-ID: <48478.127.0.0.1.1235970053.squirrel@syd-srv07.ezyreg.com>

Hello again all,

Once again I have some nice Rizalite pieces ending soon on ebay. Please
have a look.

Thanks in advance!

Cheers,
Desmond Leong
IMCA #2254
http://www.TektiteInc.com
http://stores.ebay.com/Tektite-Inc
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtektiteinc-dot-com



From mikewren at gilanet.com  Mon Mar  2 00:21:42 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:21:42 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: 19 Specimens of WEST in My Ebay Store- Worth A
	Look!
Message-ID: <BA2D784D-F38B-4D9A-BAF7-D9514321CCFD@gilanet.com>

Hello,

OK. I am tired of this "Best Offer" thing with my West stones. I have  
listed 99% of my "for sale material" in my ebay store. I only have a  
couple of more part slices to add and than I am finished. I have kept  
my customers in mind by offering a lot of small part slices that I  
think are affordable.  I decided to place a price on them that  
represents what I think they are worth and a price the reflects the  
true nature of their rarity. I think with all the people searching for  
the last 2 weeks, it gives us an idea that there is NOT going to be  
that much found. Right now it is at ~3.5kg or so, and over 1/2 of this  
is not going to be for sale.

At the least -in my ebay store are a lot of cool looking West  
specimens...

Enjoy.

http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history

Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

From jbaxter112 at pol.net  Mon Mar  2 01:20:11 2009
From: jbaxter112 at pol.net (jbaxter112 at pol.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:20:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hunting in West,
	Texas - thanks to Mike Farmer and his team!
Message-ID: <48596.10.250.10.1.1235974811.squirrel@webmail.medscape.com>

Hi Folks,

A few thoughts and a BIG thanks to Mike and his team regarding my first
and only meteorite hunt this past Thursday.

As I was reading on the list, early this past week, about everyone's
adventures hunting in Texas I realized I had a day and a half off work at
the end of the week. On a whim checked out Southwest's prices to Texas and
saw to my surprise that I could get out there and back for about $200. It
seemed like too great an opportunity to miss; a fresh U.S. fall! I was
especially motivated by Mike's earlier observation that with ploughing
imminent many of the stones not found in the near future will be gone
forever. I e-mailed Mike Farmer and asked if I could join his team for a
day to which he kindly responded, "I'd welcome that."

I arrived at the search site around 8:45 just as Mike Cottingham's son,
Christopher, found a gorgeous oriented complete stone. Good omen, I
thought!  I was so psyched I launched into hunting without changing out of
my street shoes, to the amusement of the pro's.

Mike took me under his wing and gave me a quick tutorial and off I went,
eyes to the ground. I was getting a picture from Mike as we walked about
how they had gone about their hunt in the past ten days. We were in flat
open fields with lots of clumps of taller grass with more open areas in
between with shorter grass. Surely many fine stones were hidden way beyond
sight within the taller clumps- no way to find them at this point. The
stones were there, though, some peeping through the shorter grass, some
just sitting on the surface. I saw Mike Farmer, Greg Hupe, and McCartney
Taylor find stones. The stones were, however, very widely dispersed. I'd
say the ratio of pitch-black, roughly meteorite shaped 30 gram hunks of
fresh animal dung to meteorites was about 1000 to one. The four finds I
witnessed were hundreds of yards apart from each other. McCartney showed
me how he grids an area adjacent to a find to try to systematically look
for other pieces(many thanks, MT). I walked continuously except for a
couple of 5 minute water breaks from about 8:45 am until sunset. I'm sure
I walked at least 20 miles. Alas no stone for me!

Mike was kind enough to stick with me and keep looking as the sun was
setting. He was rewarded by finding a stone in the dying light( I think
his third of the day). It was really disappointing not to find my own
stone but it was an amazing experience nonetheless. I had talked to
several 'pro's' who had had days with zero meteorites found so I knew up
front that getting 'skunked' was a possibility. On the plus side, I got to
meet Mike Cottingham and his son, Christopher, Eric Wichman and his wife,
and Greg Hupe. McCartney and Robert Ward who I knew from Tucson were there
in the field. At one point in the day, Mike, McCartney, Greg and I talked
to the lady who owned the property and who was kind enough to give us
permission to hunt there. She gave a great account of hearing a
house-rattling explosion and going out to see a smoke cloud overhead with
spirals extending from it. Overall a super educational experience.

In the fading light I shook Mike's hand and thanked him for his generosity
in letting me join them in the hunt for a day. I was sad not to have found
one but felt the experience itself was well worth the effort and money
spent. I would recommend it to anyone if there is a fall anywhere near
you.

I was shocked when Mike reached over and handed me a bag containing a 5.9
gram gorgeous fully crusted meteorite he had found earlier and said,
"Here, I can't let you leave here without a meteorite." I couldn't believe
his generosity. As I told him in an email thanking him again, based on
both the experience of hunting and the good heartedness of his gift, if
bad times arrive and I have to sell off every other meteorite I own, that
one will definitely stay with me.

Best wishes to all,
Jim Baxter

p.s. I now really have a visceral understanding about pricing on these
stones. In a strewnfield like this where they are small, well hidden, and
widely dispersed a full days hard work may just yield a few grams and many
days yield none.  A realistic price would have to be at a minimum, to just
break even, the cost of travel, lodging and vehicles divided by grams
found. And here the denominator is small leading to a high price by most
ordinary chondrite standards. If these guys were scooping up bushels of
them the price would be quite low but that's sadly not the case. Too bad
because the interior of this one has fabulous fine brecciation and, as I
learned here, there is nothing to compare to the texture of the crust of a
just-fallen meteorite.

p.p.s I've posted a few images:

Stones as found before being moved:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view&current=MikeFarmersstonefoundinthemorming.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view&current=GregHupesstoneinsitu.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view&current=MikeFarmersstonefoundnearsunset.jpg

Mike Farmer photographing Greg Hupe's stone:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view&current=MikeFarmerphotographingGregHupessto.jpg

and videos:

Christopher Cottingham moments after finding a gorgeous oriented stone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbOkrUhxv-w

One of many meteorwrongs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw8McUss7pc

sunset near West Texas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD1d6gpnang







From geeg48 at msn.com  Mon Mar  2 01:27:20 2009
From: geeg48 at msn.com (GREG LINDH)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:27:20 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hunting in West,
	Texas - thanks to Mike Farmer and his team!
References: <48596.10.250.10.1.1235974811.squirrel@webmail.medscape.com>
Message-ID: <BLU125-DAV1091998F04C10231D15B71C9A90@phx.gbl>


    Hi Jim,

  Thanks for the excellent report.  As a novice collector and never having 
gone on a hunt, your account was inspiring.

  Greg Lindh



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbaxter112 at pol.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:20 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hunting in West,Texas - thanks to Mike Farmer and 
his team!


> Hi Folks,
>
> A few thoughts and a BIG thanks to Mike and his team regarding my first
> and only meteorite hunt this past Thursday.
>
> As I was reading on the list, early this past week, about everyone's
> adventures hunting in Texas I realized I had a day and a half off work at
> the end of the week. On a whim checked out Southwest's prices to Texas and
> saw to my surprise that I could get out there and back for about $200. It
> seemed like too great an opportunity to miss; a fresh U.S. fall! I was
> especially motivated by Mike's earlier observation that with ploughing
> imminent many of the stones not found in the near future will be gone
> forever. I e-mailed Mike Farmer and asked if I could join his team for a
> day to which he kindly responded, "I'd welcome that."
>
> I arrived at the search site around 8:45 just as Mike Cottingham's son,
> Christopher, found a gorgeous oriented complete stone. Good omen, I
> thought!  I was so psyched I launched into hunting without changing out of
> my street shoes, to the amusement of the pro's.
>
> Mike took me under his wing and gave me a quick tutorial and off I went,
> eyes to the ground. I was getting a picture from Mike as we walked about
> how they had gone about their hunt in the past ten days. We were in flat
> open fields with lots of clumps of taller grass with more open areas in
> between with shorter grass. Surely many fine stones were hidden way beyond
> sight within the taller clumps- no way to find them at this point. The
> stones were there, though, some peeping through the shorter grass, some
> just sitting on the surface. I saw Mike Farmer, Greg Hupe, and McCartney
> Taylor find stones. The stones were, however, very widely dispersed. I'd
> say the ratio of pitch-black, roughly meteorite shaped 30 gram hunks of
> fresh animal dung to meteorites was about 1000 to one. The four finds I
> witnessed were hundreds of yards apart from each other. McCartney showed
> me how he grids an area adjacent to a find to try to systematically look
> for other pieces(many thanks, MT). I walked continuously except for a
> couple of 5 minute water breaks from about 8:45 am until sunset. I'm sure
> I walked at least 20 miles. Alas no stone for me!
>
> Mike was kind enough to stick with me and keep looking as the sun was
> setting. He was rewarded by finding a stone in the dying light( I think
> his third of the day). It was really disappointing not to find my own
> stone but it was an amazing experience nonetheless. I had talked to
> several 'pro's' who had had days with zero meteorites found so I knew up
> front that getting 'skunked' was a possibility. On the plus side, I got to
> meet Mike Cottingham and his son, Christopher, Eric Wichman and his wife,
> and Greg Hupe. McCartney and Robert Ward who I knew from Tucson were there
> in the field. At one point in the day, Mike, McCartney, Greg and I talked
> to the lady who owned the property and who was kind enough to give us
> permission to hunt there. She gave a great account of hearing a
> house-rattling explosion and going out to see a smoke cloud overhead with
> spirals extending from it. Overall a super educational experience.
>
> In the fading light I shook Mike's hand and thanked him for his generosity
> in letting me join them in the hunt for a day. I was sad not to have found
> one but felt the experience itself was well worth the effort and money
> spent. I would recommend it to anyone if there is a fall anywhere near
> you.
>
> I was shocked when Mike reached over and handed me a bag containing a 5.9
> gram gorgeous fully crusted meteorite he had found earlier and said,
> "Here, I can't let you leave here without a meteorite." I couldn't believe
> his generosity. As I told him in an email thanking him again, based on
> both the experience of hunting and the good heartedness of his gift, if
> bad times arrive and I have to sell off every other meteorite I own, that
> one will definitely stay with me.
>
> Best wishes to all,
> Jim Baxter
>
> p.s. I now really have a visceral understanding about pricing on these
> stones. In a strewnfield like this where they are small, well hidden, and
> widely dispersed a full days hard work may just yield a few grams and many
> days yield none.  A realistic price would have to be at a minimum, to just
> break even, the cost of travel, lodging and vehicles divided by grams
> found. And here the denominator is small leading to a high price by most
> ordinary chondrite standards. If these guys were scooping up bushels of
> them the price would be quite low but that's sadly not the case. Too bad
> because the interior of this one has fabulous fine brecciation and, as I
> learned here, there is nothing to compare to the texture of the crust of a
> just-fallen meteorite.
>
> p.p.s I've posted a few images:
>
> Stones as found before being moved:
>
> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view&current=MikeFarmersstonefoundinthemorming.jpg
>
> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view&current=GregHupesstoneinsitu.jpg
>
> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view&current=MikeFarmersstonefoundnearsunset.jpg
>
> Mike Farmer photographing Greg Hupe's stone:
>
> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view&current=MikeFarmerphotographingGregHupessto.jpg
>
> and videos:
>
> Christopher Cottingham moments after finding a gorgeous oriented stone:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbOkrUhxv-w
>
> One of many meteorwrongs:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw8McUss7pc
>
> sunset near West Texas:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD1d6gpnang
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
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From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Mon Mar  2 10:15:31 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:15:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 2, 2009
Message-ID: <21115036.2325301236006931203.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_2_2009.html


From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Mar  2 11:56:51 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:56:51 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Close but no strewn field
In-Reply-To: <522499.63933.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <522499.63933.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <lm3oq4haf7l34gu10jh1gmuhkndfoo4dvh@4ax.com>

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23553/1066/

Look up in the sky! 2009 DD45 is flying by!
by William Atkins   
Tuesday, 03 March 2009 

No, it?s not a bird, a plane, or even Superman. But, on Monday, March 2, 2009,
the Asteroid 2009 DD45 will be passing by Earth at only 63,500 kilometers away.
That's pretty close to Earth and us living things down here on terra firma.

According to SpaceWeather.com, the closest approach of Asteroid 2009 DD45 to
Earth is at 5:40 a.m. Pacific Standard Time (PST), or 1340 Universal Time (UT),
on March 2, 2009.

But, that means ... oops, it?s already past us.

It's already passed us out there in outer space because astronomers only learned
about this newly discovered asteroid a couple of days ago.

So, it has already flown by Earth at its closest approach.

Any danger that may have occurred because of the closeness of the asteroid to
Earth has also already passed. And, astronomers confirm there wasn't any danger
to Earth and its residents.

However, even after that day,the asteroid will be visible with telescopes used
by amateur and professional astronomers.

The distance between Earth and Asteroid 2009 DD45 was estimated from between
72,000 to 63,500 kilometers (about 40,000 miles), or well inside the orbit of
the Moon to Earth.

Astronomers call this distance about 0.00047 AU (astronomical unit), or a very
small fraction of the average distance between the Sun and the Earth.

SpaceWeather.com says, ?That?s only twice the height of a geostationary
communications satellite.?

In other words, that?s pretty close for a ?near-miss? of an asteroid to the
Earth.

Whew! As secret agent man (and part-time astronomer) Maxwell Smart would say,
?Missed it by that much!?

Scotish-Australian astronomer Rob H. McNaught (from the Research School of
Astronomy and Astrophysics, Australian National University)?while searching the
sky from inside the Siding Spring Observatory in Australia?found the asteroid
only a few days ago.

At that time, McNaught discovered the asteroid while it was only about 1.5
million miles from the Earth and shining like a 19th magnitude star. [Sky and
Telescope: ?Space Rock 2009 DD45 Buzzes Earth?]

The asteroid is about 30 to 40 meters (about 100 feet) in diameter, which is
about the same size as the Tunguska object (comet, asteroid, or meteor) that
impacted the Soviet Union?s Siberia near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in
1908.

The Science at NASA article ?The Tunguska Event--100 Years Later? states, ?It is
estimated the asteroid entered Earth's atmosphere traveling at a speed of about
33,500 miles per hour. During its quick plunge, the 220-million-pound space rock
heated the air surrounding it to 44,500 degrees Fahrenheit.?

Then, ?At 7:17 a.m. (local Siberia time), at a height of about 28,000 feet, the
combination of pressure and heat caused the asteroid to fragment and annihilate
itself, producing a fireball and releasing energy equivalent to about 185
Hiroshima bombs.?

Again, the size of Asteroid 2009 MM45, as with the Tunguska object, has the
potential to produce devastating effects here on Earth.

It?s happened once, it can happen again.

However, amateur astronomers will be able to see and photograph Asteroid 2009
DD45 as it travels through  the constellations Hydra and Virgo.

They will need at least an eight-inch backyard telescope to see it as it zips
past at up to 0.5 degree per minute.

At its peak brightness, which will only last a few hours, the asteroid will
shine similar to a 13th magnitude star, but immediately afterwards it will be
about a 10.5 to 11th magnitude star.

Its closest point to the surface of Earth was predicted to be over the Pacific
Ocean near Tahiti.

Thus, skygazers near Tahiti, such as in Australia, eastern Asia, Hawaii, Japan,
and New Zealand, will get the best chance to see the asteroid flying across the
sky.

Check out the orbital parameters of Asteroid 2009 DD45 on the NASA Jet
Propulsion Laboratory?s Small-Body Database: ?(2009 DD45).?

The Earth has several near-earth asteroid tracking systems. One of them is at
NASA?s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, in Pasadena, California. It is called NEAT,
for Near Earth Asteroid Tracking.

If we only learned about Asteroid 2009 DD45 a few days ago and it could have
smashed into Earth (if its flight path was only different by a little bit),
wouldn?t this be a good reason for us Earthlings to beef up, just a wee little
more, our tracking systems for asteroids and other near-Earth objects.

It seems that this might be the prudent thing to do!

What do you think?

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Mon Mar  2 11:33:37 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:33:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <32320838.2338461236011617806.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Mar  2 12:12:48 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:12:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2009 DD45 Buzzes Earth
Message-ID: <200903021712.JAA16584@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Space Weather News for March 2, 2009
http://spaceweather.com

ASTEROID FLYBY: There's no danger of a collision, but 
newly-discovered asteroid 2009 DD45 will come close enough 
today when it flies by our planet 72,000 km (0.00048 AU) 
away.  That's only twice the height of a geostationary 
communications satellite.  The asteroid measures 30 to 
40 meters across, similar in size to the Tunguska 
impactor of 1908.  Closest approach occurs at 
approximately 1340 UT (5:40 am PST) on March 2nd.  
Experienced amateur astronomers may be able to 
photograph the space rock shining like an 11th 
magnitude star as it races through the constellations 
Hydra and Virgo.  The timing favors observers in Hawaii, 
Australia, New Zealand, Japan and east Asia. Visit 
http://spaceweather.com for updates and ephemerides.


From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  2 13:10:24 2009
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:10:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:: sales of unclassified meteorite ,
Message-ID: <190552.92594.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


hi all;
i have for sales the fallowing,

1= orionted chondrite pyramidal 574 gr.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3323392254/
2= two small orionted chondrite;46 gr total.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3322550581/
3= 97 gr maskelinite bearing eucrite;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3322536143/
4= 88 gr rumuruti?R 3.8 fragment, 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3322524527/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3322525537/
5= 98 gr?rumuruti R4 abaout eleven complte stones,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3323360762/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3322526415/
6= 117 gr four crusted fragment from mali IMB fall,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3322547523/
7= new tamedaght /tichka half complete stone crusted 1300 gr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3266987019/
8= new tamedaght/ticchka fragment 1400 gr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3266987035/


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From cdtucson at cox.net  Mon Mar  2 15:17:35 2009
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:17:35 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on NY meteorite fall
Message-ID: <20090302151735.BDBC6.211999.imail@fed1rmwml45>

List,
I have a question;
I met a lady that swears she witnessed a meteorite fall in Potter, or Rushville, in the state of  New York on her grandfathers farm. His name was Floyd Lafler. . Potter is just south of Rochester. . She was about 7 years old  around 1928. A meteorite fell and she heard detonations and her whole house shook. When her family went outside they observed a large iron  meteorite about the size of a large desk. She said it even smelled bad.
Later some men in suits came with a large trailer and hauled the thing away. She is looking for any information about the fall. 
I get nothing on a Google search. Is there any way to find out if this exists or what could have happened to this meteorite? Thanks.
Carl Esparza
IMCA 5829
Meteoritemax

From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar  2 15:55:03 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:55:03 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on NY meteorite fall
References: <20090302151735.BDBC6.211999.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <099F7753BF214FBD8C6A69A1334DBFBB@ATARIENGINE>

Hi,

I hope they were large men in suits.

An iron meteorite the size of a small
writing desk (30" x 30" x 54") would
weigh approximately 12,600 pounds.
Say each large man could lift 200 lbs.,
it would take 63 large men to wrestle
it onto the 6 ton trailer which was pulled
by what? A Model T (1928)?

OK, a small old-fashioned school
desk, then (24" x 24" x 36"). That's
6000 pounds, or 30 large men's worth.
Still too much for a 1928 vehicle.

Hmmm.


Sterling K. Webb
-------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cdtucson at cox.net>
To: "meteoritelist" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on NY meteorite fall


List,
I have a question;
I met a lady that swears she witnessed a meteorite fall in Potter, or 
Rushville, in the state of  New York on her grandfathers farm. His name was 
Floyd Lafler. . Potter is just south of Rochester. . She was about 7 years 
old  around 1928. A meteorite fell and she heard detonations and her whole 
house shook. When her family went outside they observed a large iron 
meteorite about the size of a large desk. She said it even smelled bad.
Later some men in suits came with a large trailer and hauled the thing away. 
She is looking for any information about the fall.
I get nothing on a Google search. Is there any way to find out if this 
exists or what could have happened to this meteorite? Thanks.
Carl Esparza
IMCA 5829
Meteoritemax
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From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Mon Mar  2 15:45:39 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:45:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <9638298.2380991236026739331.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html



From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Mon Mar  2 16:05:13 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:05:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE ART - by Arlene Schlazer
Message-ID: <29649908.2384051236027913117.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM-ART.html


From cdtucson at cox.net  Mon Mar  2 16:48:42 2009
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:48:42 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on NY meteorite fall
In-Reply-To: <FB677DC2-83F4-4C2E-B66C-9C5F7F2D8638@att.net>
Message-ID: <20090302164842.5CKN4.381676.imail@fed1rmwml42>

George, all
Thank you. She now says it did have a possible  engine smell. So, you must be right. Carl
---- George Blahun Jr <ks1u at att.net> wrote: 
> Carl:
>       Hello, any iron meteorite this large should have left a decent  
> sized crater and perhaps some pieces "they" missed.  Memories from  
> that long ago are somewhat unreliable, but unless the land she lived  
> on is now paved over there may be some physical evidence of such a  
> massive fall.  My first reaction to her story was that of a military  
> aircraft crashing and burning.
> Does she still live in that area?
> 
> George
> IMCA 4001


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Mar  2 17:40:47 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:40:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gullies on Mars Show Tantalizing Signs of Recent
	Water Activity
Message-ID: <200903022240.OAA24818@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Media Relations
Brown University

Contact:
Richard Lewis, (401) 863-3766

March 2, 2009

Gullies on Mars Show Tantalizing Signs of Recent Water Activity

Brown planetary geologists have located a gully system that appears to have
been carved by melt water that originated in nearby snow and ice deposits.
The gullies, which the team determined to be about 1.25 million years old,
may represent the most recent period when water flowed on the planet. The
findings appear on the cover of the March issue of Geology.

PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Planetary geologists at Brown University have found a
gully fan system on Mars that formed about 1.25 million years ago. The fan
offers compelling evidence that it was formed by melt water that originated
in nearby snow and ice deposits and may stand as the most recent period when
water flowed on the planet.

Gullies are known to be young surface features on Mars. But scientists
studying the planet have struggled with locating gullies they can
conclusively date. In a paper that appears on the cover of the March issue
of Geology, the Brown geologists were able to date the gully system and
hypothesize what water was doing there.

The gully system shows four intervals where water-borne sediments were
carried down the steep slopes of nearby alcoves and deposited in alluvial
fans, said Samuel Schon, a Brown graduate student and the paper's lead
author.

"You never end up with a pond that you can put goldfish in," Schon said,
"but you have transient melt water. You had ice that typically sublimates.
But in these instances it melted, transported, and deposited sediment in the
fan. It didn't last long, but it happened."

The finding comes on the heels of discoveries of water-bearing minerals such
as opals and carbonates, the latter of which was announced by Brown graduate
student Bethany Ehlmann in a paper in Science in December. Those discoveries
build on evidence that Mars was occasionally wet far longer than many had
believed, and that the planet may have hosted a warm, wet environment in
some places during its long history.

However, the finding of a gully system, even an isolated one, that supported
running water as recently as 1.25 million years ago greatly extends the time
that water may have been active on Mars. It also adds to evidence of a
recent ice age on the planet when polar ice is believed to have been
transported towards the equator and settled in mid-latitude deposits, said
James Head III, professor of geological sciences at Brown, who first
approximated the span of the martian ice age in a Nature paper in 2003.

"We think there was recent water on Mars," said Head, who with Brown
postdoctoral researcher Caleb Fassett is a contributing author on the paper.
"This is a big step in the direction to proving that."

The gully system is located on the inside of a crater in Promethei Terra, an
area of cratered highlands in the southern mid-latitudes. The eastern and
western channels of the gully each run less than a kilometer from their
alcove sources to the fan deposit.

Viewed from afar, the fan appears as one entity several hundred meters wide.
But by zooming in with the HiRISE camera aboard the Mars Reconnaissance
Orbiter, Schon was able to distinguish four individual lobes in the fan, and
determine that each lobe was deposited separately. Moreover, Schon was able
to identify the oldest lobe, because it was pockmarked with small craters,
while the other lobes were unblemished, meaning they had to be younger.

Next came the task of trying to date the secondary craters in the fan. Schon
linked the craters on the oldest lobe to a rayed crater more than 80
kilometers to the southwest. Using well-established techniques, Schon dated
the rayed crater at about 1.25 million years, and so established a maximum
age for the younger, superimposed lobes of the fan.

The team determined that ice and snow deposits formed in the alcoves at a
time when Mars had a high obliquity (its most recent ice age) and ice was
accumulating in the mid-latitude regions. Sometime around a half-million
years ago, the planet's obliquity changed, and the ice in the mid-latitudes
began to melt or, in most instances, changed directly to vapor. Mars has
been in a low-obliquity cycle ever since, which explains why no exposed ice
has been found beyond the poles.

The team tested other theories of what the water may have been doing in the
gully system. The scientists ruled out groundwater bubbling to the surface,
Schon said, because it seemed unlikely to have occurred multiple times in
the planet's recent history. They also don't think the gullies were formed
by dry mass wasting, a process by which a slope fails as in a rockslide. The
best explanation, Schon said, was the melting of snow and ice deposits that
created "modest" flows and formed the fan.

NASA funded the research.

IMAGE CAPTIONS:

[IMAGE 1:
http://news.brown.edu/files/article_images/Schon%20Mars%20gullies%20Zoom%20in.jpg
(1.2MB)]
The gully system in the Promethei Terra region of Mars appears to have been
carved by melt water and may be the most recent period when water was active
on the planet. Credit: NASA/JPL/University of Arizona

[IMAGE 2:
http://news.brown.edu/node/10408]
The gully system shows four distinct lobes.  Credit: NASA/JPL/University of
Arizona


From mark at meteorites.cc  Mon Mar  2 18:08:14 2009
From: mark at meteorites.cc (Mark Crawford)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:08:14 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on NY meteorite fall
In-Reply-To: <20090302151735.BDBC6.211999.imail@fed1rmwml45>
References: <20090302151735.BDBC6.211999.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <49AC66DE.2090907@meteorites.cc>

Hey Carl,

If you assume that the date range could easily be 5 years either side 
(your lady isn't a teenager!), MetBase lists 19 iron meteorites in the 
US between those. None were falls, and none were in NY.

If you ignore irons and look at all falls in the US between 1923 and 
1933, MetBase lists 13, none are iron, and again none in NY. Now my US 
geography isn't great, but I don't think Missouri, N Carolina, Jansas, 
Colorado, Virginia, Oregon, Texas or Illinois are particularly close to 
NY.  (Close as in enough to potentially see/hear a meteorite, which 
could land some distance away).

There are in fact only 4 recorded falls from NY - Bethlehem (1859), 
Yorktown (New York) 1869, Schenectady (1968) and Peekskill (1992). 
Combined TKW is just over 14kg.

We can only really go on published data. It is, of course, possible an 
iron was found and lost/cut up/smelted, but it would be hard to move and 
if your witness saw it fall to earth others would have too, and it would 
likely have been communicated by that period. My money would be on 
conflated or hazy memories; munitions? dug-up septic tank? I don't know, 
but in the absence of any other evidence on balance it doesn't ring true 
to me.

Mark


cdtucson at cox.net wrote:
> List,
> I have a question;
> I met a lady that swears she witnessed a meteorite fall in Potter, or Rushville, in the state of  New York on her grandfathers farm. His name was Floyd Lafler. . Potter is just south of Rochester. . She was about 7 years old  around 1928. A meteorite fell and she heard detonations and her whole house shook. When her family went outside they observed a large iron  meteorite about the size of a large desk. She said it even smelled bad.
> Later some men in suits came with a large trailer and hauled the thing away. She is looking for any information about the fall. 
> I get nothing on a Google search. Is there any way to find out if this exists or what could have happened to this meteorite? Thanks.
> Carl Esparza
> IMCA 5829
> Meteoritemax
> ______________________________________________
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>   


-- 
Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc


From cmb62 at columbus.rr.com  Mon Mar  2 19:21:36 2009
From: cmb62 at columbus.rr.com (Charley)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:21:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hunting in West,
	Texas - thanks to Mike Farmer and his team!
References: <mailman.61.1235974813.90268.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <B2175809FB334D6B9DA26B40F5A044C8@HAL>

Hi Jim,

Thanks for sharing! It sounds like it was a great time and I, like so many 
other list members, wish I could have been there.

Thanks again and best regards,

Charley

"Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's
  try elephants !"

                    Hannibal


> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:20:11 -0500 (EST)
> From: <jbaxter112 at pol.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Hunting in West, Texas - thanks to Mike
> Farmer and his team!
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID:
> <48596.10.250.10.1.1235974811.squirrel at webmail.medscape.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> A few thoughts and a BIG thanks to Mike and his team regarding my
> first
> and only meteorite hunt this past Thursday.
>
> As I was reading on the list, early this past week, about everyone's
> adventures hunting in Texas I realized I had a day and a half off
> work at
> the end of the week. On a whim checked out Southwest's prices to
> Texas and
> saw to my surprise that I could get out there and back for about
> $200. It
> seemed like too great an opportunity to miss; a fresh U.S. fall! I was
> especially motivated by Mike's earlier observation that with ploughing
> imminent many of the stones not found in the near future will be gone
> forever. I e-mailed Mike Farmer and asked if I could join his team
> for a
> day to which he kindly responded, "I'd welcome that."
>
> I arrived at the search site around 8:45 just as Mike Cottingham's
> son,
> Christopher, found a gorgeous oriented complete stone. Good omen, I
> thought!  I was so psyched I launched into hunting without changing
> out of
> my street shoes, to the amusement of the pro's.
>
> Mike took me under his wing and gave me a quick tutorial and off I
> went,
> eyes to the ground. I was getting a picture from Mike as we walked
> about
> how they had gone about their hunt in the past ten days. We were in
> flat
> open fields with lots of clumps of taller grass with more open areas
> in
> between with shorter grass. Surely many fine stones were hidden way
> beyond
> sight within the taller clumps- no way to find them at this point. The
> stones were there, though, some peeping through the shorter grass,
> some
> just sitting on the surface. I saw Mike Farmer, Greg Hupe, and
> McCartney
> Taylor find stones. The stones were, however, very widely dispersed.
> I'd
> say the ratio of pitch-black, roughly meteorite shaped 30 gram hunks
> of
> fresh animal dung to meteorites was about 1000 to one. The four finds
> I
> witnessed were hundreds of yards apart from each other. McCartney
> showed
> me how he grids an area adjacent to a find to try to systematically
> look
> for other pieces(many thanks, MT). I walked continuously except for a
> couple of 5 minute water breaks from about 8:45 am until sunset. I'm
> sure
> I walked at least 20 miles. Alas no stone for me!
>
> Mike was kind enough to stick with me and keep looking as the sun was
> setting. He was rewarded by finding a stone in the dying light( I
> think
> his third of the day). It was really disappointing not to find my own
> stone but it was an amazing experience nonetheless. I had talked to
> several 'pro's' who had had days with zero meteorites found so I knew
> up
> front that getting 'skunked' was a possibility. On the plus side, I
> got to
> meet Mike Cottingham and his son, Christopher, Eric Wichman and his
> wife,
> and Greg Hupe. McCartney and Robert Ward who I knew from Tucson were
> there
> in the field. At one point in the day, Mike, McCartney, Greg and I
> talked
> to the lady who owned the property and who was kind enough to give us
> permission to hunt there. She gave a great account of hearing a
> house-rattling explosion and going out to see a smoke cloud overhead
> with
> spirals extending from it. Overall a super educational experience.
>
> In the fading light I shook Mike's hand and thanked him for his
> generosity
> in letting me join them in the hunt for a day. I was sad not to have
> found
> one but felt the experience itself was well worth the effort and money
> spent. I would recommend it to anyone if there is a fall anywhere near
> you.
>
> I was shocked when Mike reached over and handed me a bag containing a
> 5.9
> gram gorgeous fully crusted meteorite he had found earlier and said,
> "Here, I can't let you leave here without a meteorite." I couldn't
> believe
> his generosity. As I told him in an email thanking him again, based on
> both the experience of hunting and the good heartedness of his gift,
> if
> bad times arrive and I have to sell off every other meteorite I own,
> that
> one will definitely stay with me.
>
> Best wishes to all,
> Jim Baxter
>
> p.s. I now really have a visceral understanding about pricing on these
> stones. In a strewnfield like this where they are small, well hidden,
> and
> widely dispersed a full days hard work may just yield a few grams and
> many
> days yield none.  A realistic price would have to be at a minimum, to
> just
> break even, the cost of travel, lodging and vehicles divided by grams
> found. And here the denominator is small leading to a high price by
> most
> ordinary chondrite standards. If these guys were scooping up bushels
> of
> them the price would be quite low but that's sadly not the case. Too
> bad
> because the interior of this one has fabulous fine brecciation and,
> as I
> learned here, there is nothing to compare to the texture of the crust
> of a
> just-fallen meteorite.
>
> p.p.s I've posted a few images:
>
> Stones as found before being moved:
>
> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view&current=MikeFarmersstonefoundinthemorming.jpg
>
> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view&current=GregHupesstoneinsitu.jpg
>
> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view&current=MikeFarmersstonefoundnearsunset.jpg
>
> Mike Farmer photographing Greg Hupe's stone:
>
> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view&current=MikeFarmerphotographingGregHupessto.jpg
>
> and videos:
>
> Christopher Cottingham moments after finding a gorgeous oriented
> stone:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbOkrUhxv-w
>
> One of many meteorwrongs:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw8McUss7pc
>
> sunset near West Texas:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD1d6gpnang



From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  2 19:59:23 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:59:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to greg hupe'
Message-ID: <829571.87430.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi list.I just want to give a GREAT thanks to greg hupe for me being the lucky guy,and I mean lucky,for being the top best offer on his 18 gram west,texas individual.That piece will be one of the show stoppers of my collection.Tahnks again greg.


      

From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Mon Mar  2 19:59:40 2009
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:59:40 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] West, Texas Meteorite Video Compilation
Message-ID: <5aa76cc5fe7f42ad8f0db9c414f819b0@ucv1.vhostdns.com>

This is a 10 minute video documentary of 48 hours in the West Strewnfield over the weekend. It is a simple and short videography. If you are expecting a refined production, it is not this.

First 2 minutes brings you up to speed on the field conditions as of Friday. After that, there will be witness accounts and stones found. I think there is a cameo of the famous dog pissing off a calf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yyAwhfJbQs

WARNING - High winds caused sound degradation.

-mt



From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  2 20:24:32 2009
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:24:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE JEWELRY FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <003b01c997a0$f1c0dd80$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <827636.29983.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Here is something that you will probably all like:
http://www.meteoriteshop.com/meteoritesale/wsale22.html
Nice wire wrapped jewelry. Well made and great for gifts.
I will be putting all of these on ebay at the indicated prices so I can offer a 20% discount to list members who are interested in buying one.
Shipping $5 extra.
All items are hand made and one of a kind
Sincerely
DEAN
www.meteoriteshop.com
AMUNRE on Ebay


      

From mikewren at gilanet.com  Mon Mar  2 21:48:54 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:48:54 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] West, Texas Meteorite Video Compilation
In-Reply-To: <5aa76cc5fe7f42ad8f0db9c414f819b0@ucv1.vhostdns.com>
References: <5aa76cc5fe7f42ad8f0db9c414f819b0@ucv1.vhostdns.com>
Message-ID: <95B1559D-275F-46F8-95AD-47390F77E8FD@gilanet.com>

Hello,

Funny, but ALL realistic. Good Job.

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham
On Mar 2, 2009, at 5:59 PM, McCartney Taylor wrote:

> This is a 10 minute video documentary of 48 hours in the West  
> Strewnfield over the weekend. It is a simple and short videography.  
> If you are expecting a refined production, it is not this.
>
> First 2 minutes brings you up to speed on the field conditions as of  
> Friday. After that, there will be witness accounts and stones found.  
> I think there is a cameo of the famous dog pissing off a calf.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yyAwhfJbQs
>
> WARNING - High winds caused sound degradation.
>
> -mt
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Mon Mar  2 21:55:32 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:55:32 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: WEST, Texas,
	THE LAST OF MY SPECIMENS IN MY EBAY STORE.
Message-ID: <3B1B0BCB-8AA6-458A-A4DD-1D90DD550171@gilanet.com>

Hello,

I have sold over 70% of the material I earmarked for selling. What is  
in my ebay store right now is it. Take a look-pretty, very pretty  
interior. What is listed is all I am parting with.

http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

From mikewren at gilanet.com  Mon Mar  2 22:50:05 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:50:05 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A word about West...
Message-ID: <54944CD9-8E83-4C7B-AA91-CA64DF95F535@gilanet.com>

Hello All,

Someone brought something to my attention- They think I am flooding  
the market with West Material! Give me a break. If you count the GRAM  
weight  of what is being offered and NOT the amount of specimens you  
might understand that there will NEVER be any flooding of West  
material by anyone. There is NOT and will NEVER be enough. If you  
count the number of specimens that have been offered and add up the  
weight you will be shocked as to how little has been offered for sale.

My son and I left with something like 280 grams, we were one of the  
more successful of the West hunters. I am only selling ~100 grams.  I  
have offered many part slices and they are small, small so that the  
many folks who want a specimen will be able to get a specimen.

Have you all seen the videos showing the immense grassy fields and  
have you noticed that there has been over 30 people hunting full time  
for the last 2 weeks and there is only ~3.5 kilos recovered. Hundreds  
and Hundreds of hours have been spent searching with Hundreds and  
Hundreds of miles that have been walked and with what I have  
calculated about 500 grams have been sold. (Of course this is an  
estimate of sold material, because I don't know everyone's business).

Think about this- an experienced meteorite hunter, one who has  
travelled all over the world, one who is used to finding meteorites-he  
can walk days without finding one in West! However, when he does it  
will be about 10 grams on the average.

Flooding the market - I think not. Providing many small and affordable  
part slices to my customers- of course.

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham



From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Mon Mar  2 23:10:29 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:10:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <17841114.2435481236053429095.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html



From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Mon Mar  2 23:51:37 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:51:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 3, 2009
Message-ID: <16518999.2437031236055897681.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_3_2009.html


From erikfwebb at msn.com  Tue Mar  3 00:24:49 2009
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 22:24:49 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gullies on Mars Show Tantalizing Signs of
 Recent	Water Activity
In-Reply-To: <200903022240.OAA24818@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200903022240.OAA24818@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <COL119-W39257E758053A360207960A4A60@phx.gbl>


Thanks Ron! I needed this artical for my curent astronomy event in my astronomy class.
Can anyone give me an opinion on this for me to quote?
 
[Erik]

> From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:40:47 -0800
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Gullies on Mars Show Tantalizing Signs of Recent Water Activity
> 
> 
> 
> Media Relations
> Brown University
> 
> Contact:
> Richard Lewis, (401) 863-3766
> 
> March 2, 2009
> 
> Gullies on Mars Show Tantalizing Signs of Recent Water Activity
> 
> Brown planetary geologists have located a gully system that appears to have
> been carved by melt water that originated in nearby snow and ice deposits.
> The gullies, which the team determined to be about 1.25 million years old,
> may represent the most recent period when water flowed on the planet. The
> findings appear on the cover of the March issue of Geology.
> 
> PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Planetary geologists at Brown University have found a
> gully fan system on Mars that formed about 1.25 million years ago. The fan
> offers compelling evidence that it was formed by melt water that originated
> in nearby snow and ice deposits and may stand as the most recent period when
> water flowed on the planet.
> 
> Gullies are known to be young surface features on Mars. But scientists
> studying the planet have struggled with locating gullies they can
> conclusively date. In a paper that appears on the cover of the March issue
> of Geology, the Brown geologists were able to date the gully system and
> hypothesize what water was doing there.
> 
> The gully system shows four intervals where water-borne sediments were
> carried down the steep slopes of nearby alcoves and deposited in alluvial
> fans, said Samuel Schon, a Brown graduate student and the paper's lead
> author.
> 
> "You never end up with a pond that you can put goldfish in," Schon said,
> "but you have transient melt water. You had ice that typically sublimates.
> But in these instances it melted, transported, and deposited sediment in the
> fan. It didn't last long, but it happened."
> 
> The finding comes on the heels of discoveries of water-bearing minerals such
> as opals and carbonates, the latter of which was announced by Brown graduate
> student Bethany Ehlmann in a paper in Science in December. Those discoveries
> build on evidence that Mars was occasionally wet far longer than many had
> believed, and that the planet may have hosted a warm, wet environment in
> some places during its long history.
> 
> However, the finding of a gully system, even an isolated one, that supported
> running water as recently as 1.25 million years ago greatly extends the time
> that water may have been active on Mars. It also adds to evidence of a
> recent ice age on the planet when polar ice is believed to have been
> transported towards the equator and settled in mid-latitude deposits, said
> James Head III, professor of geological sciences at Brown, who first
> approximated the span of the martian ice age in a Nature paper in 2003.
> 
> "We think there was recent water on Mars," said Head, who with Brown
> postdoctoral researcher Caleb Fassett is a contributing author on the paper.
> "This is a big step in the direction to proving that."
> 
> The gully system is located on the inside of a crater in Promethei Terra, an
> area of cratered highlands in the southern mid-latitudes. The eastern and
> western channels of the gully each run less than a kilometer from their
> alcove sources to the fan deposit.
> 
> Viewed from afar, the fan appears as one entity several hundred meters wide.
> But by zooming in with the HiRISE camera aboard the Mars Reconnaissance
> Orbiter, Schon was able to distinguish four individual lobes in the fan, and
> determine that each lobe was deposited separately. Moreover, Schon was able
> to identify the oldest lobe, because it was pockmarked with small craters,
> while the other lobes were unblemished, meaning they had to be younger.
> 
> Next came the task of trying to date the secondary craters in the fan. Schon
> linked the craters on the oldest lobe to a rayed crater more than 80
> kilometers to the southwest. Using well-established techniques, Schon dated
> the rayed crater at about 1.25 million years, and so established a maximum
> age for the younger, superimposed lobes of the fan.
> 
> The team determined that ice and snow deposits formed in the alcoves at a
> time when Mars had a high obliquity (its most recent ice age) and ice was
> accumulating in the mid-latitude regions. Sometime around a half-million
> years ago, the planet's obliquity changed, and the ice in the mid-latitudes
> began to melt or, in most instances, changed directly to vapor. Mars has
> been in a low-obliquity cycle ever since, which explains why no exposed ice
> has been found beyond the poles.
> 
> The team tested other theories of what the water may have been doing in the
> gully system. The scientists ruled out groundwater bubbling to the surface,
> Schon said, because it seemed unlikely to have occurred multiple times in
> the planet's recent history. They also don't think the gullies were formed
> by dry mass wasting, a process by which a slope fails as in a rockslide. The
> best explanation, Schon said, was the melting of snow and ice deposits that
> created "modest" flows and formed the fan.
> 
> NASA funded the research.
> 
> IMAGE CAPTIONS:
> 
> [IMAGE 1:
> http://news.brown.edu/files/article_images/Schon%20Mars%20gullies%20Zoom%20in.jpg
> (1.2MB)]
> The gully system in the Promethei Terra region of Mars appears to have been
> carved by melt water and may be the most recent period when water was active
> on the planet. Credit: NASA/JPL/University of Arizona
> 
> [IMAGE 2:
> http://news.brown.edu/node/10408]
> The gully system shows four distinct lobes. Credit: NASA/JPL/University of
> Arizona
> 
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 10:00:51 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:00:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (ad) nwa 987 forsale
Message-ID: <870137.55765.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Good morning list.First off I want to wish a big GOOD LUCK to bob haag and bob c. in thier chances of finding any of the west,texas pieces.I have a 136 gram?half stone?of NWA 987. AN L3.8 class type "3" forsale.It comes from the bruno and corinne fectey collection.$475 takes it with free shipping.Pics upon request.


      

From mdavidhardy at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 10:28:26 2009
From: mdavidhardy at yahoo.com (David Hardy)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:28:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Almost, but not quite!
Message-ID: <649826.96728.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


We almost had a good fall!  Here's the link to the article.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.783c3aae6eb418393fc6f8c443ef6765.2f1&show_article=1

David H.



      


From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Mar  3 11:40:50 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:40:50 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] (ad) nwa 987 forsale
In-Reply-To: <870137.55765.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <870137.55765.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <j6nqq45kcu5ljtm0qqqmfck8ip62thj982@4ax.com>

On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:00:51 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>
>I have a 136 gram?half stone?of NWA 987. AN L3.8 class type "3" forsale.
>It comes from the bruno and corinne fectey collection.$475 takes it with free shipping.

Wow, I have to say for anyone who can afford this (sadly, that ain't me) this as
a very, very nice meteorite at a great price per gram.  You should snatch it up.

Here are photos from my slice of 987-- taken with a cheap microscope, but you
can still see how nice the chondrules are.  Most of page 4 and all of page 5 are
NWA 987:

http://www.angelfire.com/d20/darren_garrison/index_3.htm

From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 12:49:10 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:49:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST HAS COME TO REST
Message-ID: <560117.52455.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi again list.My 7.2 gram west,texas piece came today.WOW!!!! It is everything that everyone has said it is.Black crust!100%!Not a ding on it!The true meaning of the word pristine.The best looking meteorite I have ever seen.Congrats to all the hunters down there.I hope you find more.


      

From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 13:17:31 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:17:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay auctions
Message-ID: <870290.56404.qm@web45616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi to everyone, Hope all is well!
I have some nice meteorite samples listed for sale on ebay.
Auctions end in the next 2-3 days.
Some of the items include (many from Mike Farmer and the Hupe Collection)

NWA 1877 - Olivine Diogenite .08g
NWA 3140 - Ureilite 4.4g
NWA 4024 - Winonaite 1.05g
NWA 5511 - LL5 (Provisional) 
Bilanga - Diogenite .146g

You can view my auctions here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZstar_wars_coiiector

Thanks for looking, Have a good day!

Greg C.
IMCA 4682
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com








      


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 13:31:00 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:31:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thin Section Images
Message-ID: <718156.12113.qm@web45607.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Here are a few thin section images, I know some here enjoy looking at them.

NWA xxx  Howardite (very nice looking)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/HowarditeDL_2.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/HowarditeDL.jpg

NWA 3140 - Winonaite
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA3140_1.jpg

Dunite (not a meteorite, but still very nice looking)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Dunite.jpg

NWA 5480 (Olivine Diogenite) to compare with the above picture:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA_5480_11.jpg


Greg C.


      


From beardownbob at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 14:47:42 2009
From: beardownbob at gmail.com (Bob Holmes)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:47:42 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] ASU lecture
Message-ID: <2bc48ad00903031147l19c5291fie939c9795a6e4f27@mail.gmail.com>

Hello List-
Here is a note from ASU about an event they are hosting. Thought you
might be interested.

Bob Holmes


We thought you might be interested in a free lecture at ASU this
Wednesday, March 4, at 7:30pm, entitled "Catastrophic Solar System:
Impacts and the Latest Revolution in Earth Science." Information is
attached, or can be found at http://beyond.asu.edu. You may also
telephone (480) 965-3240. Hope to see you there! ASU Center for
Meteorite Studies meteorites at asu.edu

From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Tue Mar  3 15:04:02 2009
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:04:02 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: 41g West Texas Meteorite For Sale: ORIENTED!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.46.1236099652.59646.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.46.1236099652.59646.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <49AD8D32.1070308@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi all,

A beautiful oriented specimen of the West Texas meteorite up for sale 
for a limited time. All serious offers will be considered, best offer 
gets it. As of right now this is the ONLY piece I am offering up for sale.

http://www.meteoritesusa.com/west-meteorite-41g-oriented.htm

This is a beautiful piece worthy of the finest collections and one this 
large is super RARE and being oriented, well that's a huge plus. This is 
a must have piece. Gorgeously thumbprinted with great shape, and a 
wonderful rollover lip. The seller wishes to remain anonymous but I can 
tell you they are not sure they want to sell it, time is of the essence 
on this deal.

Please send all offers to me via email OFF-LIST. You can call me if you 
have questions.

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
904-236-5394

Also I have 4 oriented NWA 869 I'm listing later today.
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/west-texas-meteorite.htm


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Mar  3 15:47:40 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:47:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Newfound Moon May Be Source of Outer Saturn Ring
Message-ID: <200903032047.MAA24906@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-035  

Newfound Moon May Be Source of Outer Saturn Ring
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
March 03, 2009

NASA's Cassini spacecraft has found within Saturn's G ring an embedded
moonlet that appears as a faint, moving pinprick of light. Scientists
believe it is a main source of the G ring and its single ring arc.

Cassini imaging scientists analyzing images acquired over the course of
about 600 days found the tiny moonlet, half a kilometer (about a third
of a mile) across, embedded within a partial ring, or ring arc,
previously found by Cassini in Saturn's tenuous G ring.

The finding is being announced today in an International Astronomical
Union circular. Images can be found at http://www.nasa.gov/cassini,
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov and http://ciclops.org .

"Before Cassini, the G ring was the only dusty ring that was not clearly
associated with a known moon, which made it odd," said Matthew Hedman, a
Cassini imaging team associate at Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y.
"The discovery of this moonlet, together with other Cassini data, should
help us make sense of this previously mysterious ring."

Saturn's rings were named in the order they were discovered. Working
outward they are: D, C, B, A, F, G and E. The G ring is one of the outer
diffuse rings. Within the faint G ring there is a relatively bright and
narrow, 250-kilometer-wide (150-miles) arc of ring material, which
extends 150,000 kilometers (90,000 miles), or one-sixth of the way
around the ring's circumference. The moonlet moves within this ring arc.
Previous Cassini plasma and dust measurements indicated that this
partial ring may be produced from relatively large, icy particles
embedded within the arc, such as this moonlet.

Scientists imaged the moonlet on Aug. 15, 2008, and then they confirmed
its presence by finding it in two earlier images. They have since seen
the moonlet on multiple occasions, most recently on Feb. 20, 2009. The
moonlet is too small to be resolved by Cassini's cameras, so its size
cannot be measured directly. However, Cassini scientists estimated the
moonlet's size by comparing its brightness to another small Saturnian
moon, Pallene.

Hedman and his collaborators also have found that the moonlet's orbit is
being disturbed by the larger, nearby moon Mimas, which is responsible
for keeping the ring arc together.

This brings the number of Saturnian ring arcs with embedded moonlets
found by Cassini to three. The new moonlet may not be alone in the G
ring arc. Previous measurements with other Cassini instruments implied
the existence of a population of particles, possibly ranging in size
from 1 to 100 meters (about three to several hundred feet) across.
"Meteoroid impacts into, and collisions among, these bodies and the
moonlet could liberate dust to form the arc," said Hedman.

Carl Murray, a Cassini imaging team member and professor at Queen Mary,
University of London, said, "The moon's discovery and the disturbance of
its trajectory by the neighboring moon Mimas highlight the close
association between moons and rings that we see throughout the Saturn
system. Hopefully, we will learn in the future more about how such arcs
form and interact with their parent bodies."

Early next year, Cassini's camera will take a closer look at the arc and
the moonlet. The Cassini Equinox mission, an extension of the original
four-year mission, is expected to continue until fall of 2010.

The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, the
European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency. The Jet Propulsion
Laboratory (JPL), a division of the California Institute of Technology
in Pasadena, manages the Cassini-Huygens mission for NASA's Science
Mission Directorate, Washington. The Cassini orbiter and its two onboard
cameras were designed, developed and assembled at JPL. The imaging team
is based at the Space Science Institute, Boulder, Colo.

Media contacts: Carolina Martinez 818-354-9382
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
carolina.martinez at jpl.nasa.gov  

Joe Mason 720-974-5859
Space Science Institute, Boulder, Colo.
media at ciclops.org 

2009-035


From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 16:02:34 2009
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:02:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NICE cumberland FALLS aubrite for sale
Message-ID: <699855.79614.qm@web53212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

i am taking offers on my VERY NICE CUMBERLAND FALLS aubrite slice. it is approx. 10g with lots of surface area. any INTELLIGENT OFFER will be accepted. this stuff goes for $200+/g on websites. paypal personal (add 4% for fees( , u.s. checks, cash only. this is a very rare AUBRITE FALL that CAME IN WITH A BANG!


      

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 17:05:18 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:05:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Display
In-Reply-To: <mailman.47.1236099652.59646.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <327227.54454.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi List,

I am in the process of moving, and before I broke down my meteorite
display, it occurred to me that I had never taken a photo of the
entire display.  So before I started packing stuff away, I took
this photo.  

In the upper right corner are clear acrylic cubes with my larger
specimens.  There are also assorted Riker displays.  47 of the
smaller specimens are kept in 3x4" Riker boxes with labels from
Roman Jirasek.  Some of my tinier specks are kept in a separate
cabinet because they aren't showy enough to merit a Riker box.

There is also a Canyon Diablo display with spheroids from the 
Nininger collection and a variety of specimens from the crater.

I also grouped together some of my most rare (but obscure) NWA
pieces into a single large Riker display.  It's the one in the
center row, on the bottom.  It's loaded with ureilite, brachinite,
chassignite, olivine diogenite, dunite, and a few others.

I really like how Roman's bent labels look inside the Riker boxes.
Honestly, I'm not a big fan of the flat labels - they have that
area at the bottom for writing in the information.  They take up
too much window space in a 3x4" Riker (reducing the maximum size
of the specimen that can accompany it) and I just don't like the
aesthetics of the bottom portion of the label.  So, the bent labels
meant for free-standing use fit perfectly because they press flat
again the glass anyway, and the bottom part is not visible.  
To keep things neat, I have an idea for filling in the black portion
of these labels.  For my NWA XXXX labels, I print out the number on
adhesive label paper, cut it out, and carefully apply it to the
metal label.  Everything looks neat that way and I can simply peel
off the adhesive paper number if I decide to use the label for
another specimen.  

Scattered about the display are a few vintage meteorite-related
postcards and misc memorabilia.  The empty bottom right-hand portion
of the display is where my cat usually sleeps.  I ceded that area
of the display to the cat because I had no choice. 

Here is a link to the photo, forgive the flash -

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/The%20Collection/meteor-display-1.jpg

Clear skies!

MikeG


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................




      

From geoking at notkin.net  Tue Mar  3 17:57:03 2009
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:57:03 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Meteorwritings" West, Texas Special Edition
Message-ID: <9C9BE5A1-6220-46E5-B852-20A9D3092A18@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

I am back home in dear old Tucson after a terrific adventure in  
central Texas. Great to see so many of my pals out there.

The March edition of my "Meteorwritings" column just went live on  
Geology.com. We had been planning an introductory-level article on  
meteorite hunting and then revised that idea somewhat, in order to  
include an extensive report from West.

Here it is:   http://geology.com


In addition, my meteorite blog has an informal take on the adventure,  
with a different set of photos:

http://meteoriteblog.org


Thanks to my publisher, Dr. Hobart King, for his interest in this  
story, and also to Suzanne Morrison and Steve Arnold for the use of  
some of their great photos.



With best wishes,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.meteoriteblog.org

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Tue Mar  3 17:56:08 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:56:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <9322382.2545741236120968757.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html



From desam07 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  3 20:13:52 2009
From: desam07 at hotmail.com (HANS D.)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:13:52 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-15% off
Message-ID: <BAY126-W49643378F92A74205378A9B6A70@phx.gbl>


Hi all! I'm offering 15% off to all members, Pay Pal, Money Orders, please visit my web site at:
 
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                                    IMCA # 6580 
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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 20:36:37 2009
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:36:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Awesome 11 gram oriented West Texas meteorite for
	sale
Message-ID: <423154.83781.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Email me off list for price....

98% crusted only two tiny dings - here it is

http://www.mr-meteorite.net/westforsale.htm

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


      

From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Tue Mar  3 20:41:16 2009
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:41:16 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Awesome 11 gram oriented West Texas meteorite
	for sale
Message-ID: <d44.3f6242c4.36df363c@aol.com>

Hey List,

If a meteorite hits a dirt  road, is it a hammer stone?

If it has been run over by meteorite hunters  and roughed up a bit, is it a 
hammered hammer?

Steve Arnold 
Arkansas  

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From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 20:44:11 2009
From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:44:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
In-Reply-To: <9322382.2545741236120968757.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <778424.55278.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


wow, what a great site. Thanks for the link

Rob

--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Michael Johnson <michael at spacerocksinc.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Johnson <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 10:56 PM
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html
> 
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From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Mar  3 20:51:12 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:51:12 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Awesome 11 gram oriented West Texas meteorite
	for sale
In-Reply-To: <d44.3f6242c4.36df363c@aol.com>
References: <d44.3f6242c4.36df363c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bjnrq49k8js065jrapkf2mf2mp5p26k2v0@4ax.com>

On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:41:16 EST, you wrote:

>If it has been run over by meteorite hunters  and roughed up a bit, is it a 
>hammered hammer?

And if said hunters are drunk at the time, are they hammered hammer hammerers?

From dect60 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  3 21:12:08 2009
From: dect60 at hotmail.com (Bill Kahlen)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:12:08 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Awesome 11 gram oriented West Texas
	meteorite	for sale
In-Reply-To: <d44.3f6242c4.36df363c@aol.com>
References: <d44.3f6242c4.36df363c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL114-W16AB79A3285C08615A7543DFA70@phx.gbl>


Questions like that made me think it was Chicago Steve asking the question not Arkanasas Steve !!!
 
Bill

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> From: MeteorHntr at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:41:16 -0500
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Awesome 11 gram oriented West Texas meteorite for sale
>
> Hey List,
>
> If a meteorite hits a dirt road, is it a hammer stone?
>
> If it has been run over by meteorite hunters and roughed up a bit, is it a
> hammered hammer?
>
> Steve Arnold
> Arkansas
>
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 22:29:29 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:29:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD -Super Items And New Meteorite!
Message-ID: <301074.32904.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Dear List Members,

Thank you for affording me the opportunity to present some updates and items for sale in this forum.

First, I would like to bring your attention a very odd Enstatite Chondrite, NWA 5409.  NWA 5409 is an EL3 with the oddest looking chondrules and matrix I have ever seen.  I would have never guessed the classification before it was sent off for study. Be sure to check it out as I listed all of the pieces at once, including the main mass since the TKW is so low.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305327542
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200316413138
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305328208
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305328496
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200316415306

I still have two pieces of the recently announced NWA 5410 Lodranite left.  If the only complete slice doesn't sell at the current bargain price, I will cut it into smaller more affordable pieces and offer them later. This is what a traditional Lodranite should look like.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305329496
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305124703

I am offering the last of my NWA1195 Martian inventory.  These pieces came from the very last slice in my personal collection. They are cut extremely thin and are diamond-lap polished on both sides.  With a TKW of only 315 grams and no pairings, I was bound to run out sometime so here may be your last opportunity to get a piece.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305325099
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305325504
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200316410031
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305326390

Only two thin slices that are still show priced are left of NWA 5000.  Get a piece of "The Rock", the best lunar meteorite in existence!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200316094639
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305326603

Other lunar meteorite specimens, many started at just 99 cents with no reserve:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200316070250
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305112315
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305112709
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200316092489
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200316092877
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305123749
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200316406470
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200316406869

 
And Way To Many More Great Examples Worth Looking At Can Be Found At This Link:
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ

Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.


Best Regards,

------------------------------------
Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
raremeteorites at yahoo.com 

From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 23:06:49 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:06:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West, Texas --stats, etc
Message-ID: <957565.89550.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello List,

  I, too, had a great time at the new West, Tx fall. My son and I arrived there on Wed afternoon, Feb 18th, 3 days after the fall, and hunted all day Thu-Sat, the 19-21st. This was our 1st father-son hunt and it turned out very well, as we found 5 specimens, with a total weight of 270g over those 3 days. ( My son beat me by a factor of about 2.5 to 1 in regard to weight found!)

  When we arrived home, my wife saw the beautiful stones and said she wanted to go find some of them. In spite of my warning her about the tough terrain and the biting, powerful winds, she still wanted to go. She had been on one hunt with me 13 years ago, with no finds. So, after having to let my regular job interfere with our meteorite hunting for a week, she and I headed back down there for another try over Sun-Tues, 3-1-09 thru 3-3-09 . We got very lucky again, as we both ended up finding one before it was time to leave. 

  Our "find stats" for about 5 day's hunting were: 

Total number = 7 individuals
Total weight = 407g   

  I THINK my son's 133g find is PERHAPS the 5th (or so) largest stone??  But this is exactly the point I was hoping to make with this post. It really would be nice if everyone would post their totals as well. That way, we wouldn't be guessing/estimating the total number of stones and the TKW. I think everyone would be very interested to see what the true numbers are. 

  Best wishes,
  Robert Woolard  







      

From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 23:32:03 2009
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:32:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Texas, what a trip.
Message-ID: <957113.5034.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi all,
I'm heading home (again) from West, Texas. This trip I found more than the first trip a week ago. I hunted for 8 days total, got skunked 1 day and ended up with 15 stones total. I found three stones today which was my second best total of the entire trip.


Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


      

From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Tue Mar  3 23:53:15 2009
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:53:15 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] West, Texas --stats, etc
References: <957565.89550.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01c99c85$21a56280$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Finds = 9
Purchase = 1
Weight = 184 grams plus the Hopper Stone at 71 grams for a total return of 
255 grams

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Woolard" <meteoritefinder at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] West, Texas --stats, etc


> Hello List,
>
>  I, too, had a great time at the new West, Tx fall. My son and I arrived 
> there on Wed afternoon, Feb 18th, 3 days after the fall, and hunted all 
> day Thu-Sat, the 19-21st. This was our 1st father-son hunt and it turned 
> out very well, as we found 5 specimens, with a total weight of 270g over 
> those 3 days. ( My son beat me by a factor of about 2.5 to 1 in regard to 
> weight found!)
>
>  When we arrived home, my wife saw the beautiful stones and said she 
> wanted to go find some of them. In spite of my warning her about the tough 
> terrain and the biting, powerful winds, she still wanted to go. She had 
> been on one hunt with me 13 years ago, with no finds. So, after having to 
> let my regular job interfere with our meteorite hunting for a week, she 
> and I headed back down there for another try over Sun-Tues, 3-1-09 thru 
> 3-3-09 . We got very lucky again, as we both ended up finding one before 
> it was time to leave.
>
>  Our "find stats" for about 5 day's hunting were:
>
> Total number = 7 individuals
> Total weight = 407g
>
>  I THINK my son's 133g find is PERHAPS the 5th (or so) largest stone?? 
> But this is exactly the point I was hoping to make with this post. It 
> really would be nice if everyone would post their totals as well. That 
> way, we wouldn't be guessing/estimating the total number of stones and the 
> TKW. I think everyone would be very interested to see what the true 
> numbers are.
>
>  Best wishes,
>  Robert Woolard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From jnbran at verizon.net  Tue Mar  3 23:59:07 2009
From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:59:07 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] West, Texas --stats, etc
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c99c85$21a56280$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>
References: <957565.89550.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<00ad01c99c85$21a56280$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>
Message-ID: <2516B33482024E8BA2853B18E1D4DEB2@AcerPC>

Great idea Robert, and I hate that I missed you in West it would have been 
nice to hunt with you guys.

Finds- 4
Weights- 1.9, 7.5, 21.8, 5.1  (total- 36.3 grams)

Take Care,
Jason Phillips
Rocks from Heaven
www.rocksfromheaven.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Wesel" <rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com>
To: <meteoritefinder at yahoo.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West, Texas --stats, etc


> Finds = 9
> Purchase = 1
> Weight = 184 grams plus the Hopper Stone at 71 grams for a total return of 
> 255 grams
>
> Rob Wesel
> http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Woolard" <meteoritefinder at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:06 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] West, Texas --stats, etc
>
>
>> Hello List,
>>
>>  I, too, had a great time at the new West, Tx fall. My son and I arrived 
>> there on Wed afternoon, Feb 18th, 3 days after the fall, and hunted all 
>> day Thu-Sat, the 19-21st. This was our 1st father-son hunt and it turned 
>> out very well, as we found 5 specimens, with a total weight of 270g over 
>> those 3 days. ( My son beat me by a factor of about 2.5 to 1 in regard to 
>> weight found!)
>>
>>  When we arrived home, my wife saw the beautiful stones and said she 
>> wanted to go find some of them. In spite of my warning her about the 
>> tough terrain and the biting, powerful winds, she still wanted to go. She 
>> had been on one hunt with me 13 years ago, with no finds. So, after 
>> having to let my regular job interfere with our meteorite hunting for a 
>> week, she and I headed back down there for another try over Sun-Tues, 
>> 3-1-09 thru 3-3-09 . We got very lucky again, as we both ended up finding 
>> one before it was time to leave.
>>
>>  Our "find stats" for about 5 day's hunting were:
>>
>> Total number = 7 individuals
>> Total weight = 407g
>>
>>  I THINK my son's 133g find is PERHAPS the 5th (or so) largest stone?? 
>> But this is exactly the point I was hoping to make with this post. It 
>> really would be nice if everyone would post their totals as well. That 
>> way, we wouldn't be guessing/estimating the total number of stones and 
>> the TKW. I think everyone would be very interested to see what the true 
>> numbers are.
>>
>>  Best wishes,
>>  Robert Woolard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From radio_ranch at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 00:06:29 2009
From: radio_ranch at yahoo.com (Pat Brown)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:06:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Awesome 11 gram oriented West Texas meteorite
	for sale
In-Reply-To: <423154.83781.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <855250.35878.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi Ruben and the List, 

That is one very fine looking meteorite, might even be the pick of the litter!

Thanks for the photos.....

Pat



--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Ruben Garcia <meteoritemall at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Awesome 11 gram oriented West Texas meteorite for sale
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 5:36 PM
> Email me off list for price....
> 
> 98% crusted only two tiny dings - here it is
> 
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/westforsale.htm
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> Videos:
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v
> 
> 
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 00:06:40 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:06:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Meteorite tally,
	PLEASE let's get this one right
Message-ID: <877768.977.qm@web110608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


I join Robert in requesting an exact stone count and weight tally in order to get this fall as close as possible to exact number of stones and TKW.

I have the following

Woolard 7  =  407g
Wesel 10 =  255g
Farmer 23 = 531.6g

I know that more than 45 meteorite hunters showed up in the field, so come on guys, lets get the tally done as fast as possible so we can firm up the TKW on this fantastic new fall.

Let's show the scientists that we as collectors can compile data and properly record a new fall all by ourselves. By the way, the one thing I never did run into down there was a single scientist. 
Pity, some of them hate collectors and dealers, but when a fall occurs, they are nowhere to be seen or collect a stone and rush off to the lab forgetting that there are hundreds if not thousands of other stones left to rot.

Michael Farmer

From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Mar  4 00:17:34 2009
From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:17:34 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Meteorite tally,
 PLEASE let's get this one right
In-Reply-To: <877768.977.qm@web110608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C5D34EEE.6136%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>

This scientist could only make it there for one and a half days, on my own
dime, and would have loved to stay.  A downside of our profession is that
most of us have to account for our (fairly pricey) time and don?t have much
in the way of flexibility.

I?m very interested in seeing the tally from this fall.  Even better would
be a detailed strewn field map with locations and masses, but even a rough
depiction of the strewn field long axis (axes?) would be great stuff.  Seems
to me that a downside of your profession is that that information is used to
support yourselves and so becomes proprietary.  I understand that, but it is
a real loss scientifically speaking.

Cheers,
Marc Fries

On 3/3/09 9:06 PM, "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> I join Robert in requesting an exact stone count and weight tally in order to
> get this fall as close as possible to exact number of stones and TKW.
> 
> I have the following
> 
> Woolard 7  =  407g
> Wesel 10 =  255g
> Farmer 23 = 531.6g
> 
> I know that more than 45 meteorite hunters showed up in the field, so come on
> guys, lets get the tally done as fast as possible so we can firm up the TKW on
> this fantastic new fall.
> 
> Let's show the scientists that we as collectors can compile data and properly
> record a new fall all by ourselves. By the way, the one thing I never did run
> into down there was a single scientist.
> Pity, some of them hate collectors and dealers, but when a fall occurs, they
> are nowhere to be seen or collect a stone and rush off to the lab forgetting
> that there are hundreds if not thousands of other stones left to rot.
> 
> Michael Farmer
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Mar  4 00:18:49 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:18:49 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] From the famous Cleaveland meteorite quarry,
	no doubt
In-Reply-To: <877768.977.qm@web110608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <877768.977.qm@web110608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2m3sq4tq0fc6r3v9jao2a0okcqlitqqlj6@4ax.com>

"Nelson Davis was known as a perfectionist ? so obsessed with guests tracking
dust into his Rosedale mansion that he covered his driveway in crushed meteorite
stone from Cleveland."

http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/595534

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 00:28:32 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:28:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Meteorite tally,
	PLEASE let's get this one right
In-Reply-To: <C5D34EEE.6136%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <249775.11001.qm@web110612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Actually Marc, I also went there on my own dime, like the other roughly 50 meteorite hunters. I have no paycheck coming in like you, I have to hustle if I want paid. I have no retirement fund other that what I sock away on my own, no health-care plan, no sick days or any other form of money other than what I make myself. I had plans, and work to do, and this meteorite fall forced me to change those plans, and prioritize my time. Of course not everyone can do that, but come on, central Texas, barely one hour from Austin or Dallas, and no interest from meteorite specialists. 

I also told the meteorite list a week ago that I am going to publish my strewn-field map, with almost 100 stones to be listed. I can not list the other team's stones, as again, they are sworn to secrecy and not likely to share that kind of data like I am going to. Give me till Thursday or Friday and I should have the map up for all who want it. 
Michael Farmer

--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Fries, Marc D <marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> From: Fries, Marc D <marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West Meteorite tally, PLEASE let's get this one right
> To: "meteoriteguy at yahoo.com" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>, "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 10:17 PM
> This scientist could only make it there for one and a half
> days, on my own
> dime, and would have loved to stay.  A downside of our
> profession is that
> most of us have to account for our (fairly pricey) time and
> don?t have much
> in the way of flexibility.
> 
> I?m very interested in seeing the tally from this fall. 
> Even better would
> be a detailed strewn field map with locations and masses,
> but even a rough
> depiction of the strewn field long axis (axes?) would be
> great stuff.  Seems
> to me that a downside of your profession is that that
> information is used to
> support yourselves and so becomes proprietary.  I
> understand that, but it is
> a real loss scientifically speaking.
> 
> Cheers,
> Marc Fries
> 
> On 3/3/09 9:06 PM, "Michael Farmer"
> <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > I join Robert in requesting an exact stone count and
> weight tally in order to
> > get this fall as close as possible to exact number of
> stones and TKW.
> > 
> > I have the following
> > 
> > Woolard 7  =  407g
> > Wesel 10 =  255g
> > Farmer 23 = 531.6g
> > 
> > I know that more than 45 meteorite hunters showed up
> in the field, so come on
> > guys, lets get the tally done as fast as possible so
> we can firm up the TKW on
> > this fantastic new fall.
> > 
> > Let's show the scientists that we as collectors
> can compile data and properly
> > record a new fall all by ourselves. By the way, the
> one thing I never did run
> > into down there was a single scientist.
> > Pity, some of them hate collectors and dealers, but
> when a fall occurs, they
> > are nowhere to be seen or collect a stone and rush off
> to the lab forgetting
> > that there are hundreds if not thousands of other
> stones left to rot.
> > 
> > Michael Farmer
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From AJSnyder at cox.net  Wed Mar  4 00:41:39 2009
From: AJSnyder at cox.net (Jay & Annette)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:41:39 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thanks Steve A.
Message-ID: <6D1759B7-7A4C-42C5-A99F-5E052E905561@cox.net>

A thanks goes out to Steve Arnold (Chicago) for a freebie slice of an  
unclassified meteorite just for paying attention.  Thanks Steve!  Jason

From info at meteorites.com.au  Wed Mar  4 03:38:42 2009
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:38:42 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST HAS COME TO REST
In-Reply-To: <560117.52455.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <560117.52455.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <05D666B775AB45649ED2AE5F067B8B09@JeffPC>

WOW... and just over 3hrs after this email you offered it for sale to a 
couple of dozen people. That's got to be a record. Please stop spamming this 
list Steve.

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve arnold" <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:49 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST HAS COME TO REST


>
> Hi again list.My 7.2 gram west,texas piece came today.WOW!!!! It is 
> everything that everyone has said it is.Black crust!100%!Not a ding on 
> it!The true meaning of the word pristine.The best looking meteorite I have 
> ever seen.Congrats to all the hunters down there.I hope you find more.
>
>
>
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> 


From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Wed Mar  4 05:30:17 2009
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (Meteoriteshow)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:30:17 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending on Saturday
Message-ID: <001301c99cb4$36363ba0$460aa8c0@T42>

Dear All,

Our ebay auctions ending on Saturday can be seen at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZmeteoriteshow

They include:

1- Dag 951 - L5 - 500.2g MAIN MASS !!!: dimensions 74x73x60mm, this main
mass is partially FUSION CRUSTED and part of the structure appearing on the
cut section looks fresher than the rest of the meteorite.,YOU ARE OFFERED
THE CHANCE TO GET THE MAIN MASS OF DaG 951...
Still at a very low price with only 2 bids so far...........
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330308250299

2- Gao-Guenie - H5 - 6.1g ORIENTED individual: dimensions 23x12x12mm.
Complete individual offered as found from the strewnfield. Still at $1.00
starting price...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330308250352

3- SAH 02500 L3 - 530.6g - 24 pces: 24 Fragments & individuals weighing
5.97g to 41.08g, for a total weight of 530.6g. Some of them are partially
fusion crusted.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330308250404

4- SAHARAN OC #3342 - 60.53g Slice: dimensions: 76x40x8mm.The polished cut
surface shows a highly metamorphized structure, with few metal flakes and
chondrule relics. This is probably an LL chondrite, which is confirmed by
the low magnetic susceptibility of 4,33.
NO BID YET!!! Get it!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330308250479


5- SAHARAN OC #FB-64-08 - 109.4g - Individual: Complete individual with
dimensions 48x38x37mm. Probably a L chondrite according to attraction to a
magnet, compared with known chondrites. Still at $1.00 starting price...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330308250579

6- Sikhote-Alin IRON IIAB - 12.8g oriented ind.: ORIENTED Individual,
dimensions: 27x17x10mm. Nice shape with regmaglyptes. NO BID YET! A good
deal to be done for this little beauty!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330308250623

Thank you very much for watching and best wishes to ALL BIDDERS!!!
Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)



From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Wed Mar  4 07:40:34 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 04:40:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 4, 2009
Message-ID: <15192983.2584731236170434700.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_4_2009.html



From advance375a at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 07:58:28 2009
From: advance375a at yahoo.com (Todd Michael)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 04:58:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve A!  Thanks
Message-ID: <359241.90052.qm@web110711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


I Would Also Like To Publicly Thanks Steve Arnold for The Incredibly detailed And Beautiful FREE Specimen He Sent Me As Well.

Inbetween the cracked Dark Fusion Crust,the chondrules of different sizes and Colors of an Abundant amount of Chondrules.
Also the size of the specimen is impressive,with a Beautifully Polished side.

A Beatiful Piece Steve.And Again,THANK YOU For the Remarkable Specimen.

Sincere Thanks,
Todd Carter


M.T.Carter 
IMCA #7131
www.innerplanetaryproducts.com  
Meteorites and More...  
"Outer Space at Down to Earth Prices!"

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Wed Mar  4 08:51:58 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 05:51:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Texas Meteorite Hunt - March 4, 2009
Message-ID: <19311149.2592311236174718126.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html


From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 09:58:25 2009
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:58:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Texas Meteorite Hunt - March 4, 2009
In-Reply-To: <19311149.2592311236174718126.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <244375.44696.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Thanks Michael,
The Bird Turd-rite is my find and was just shipped today to Gary Fujihara @ AstroDay institue in Hawaii.

I laughed when I saw it because we were talking so much about these specimens being pristine.

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


--- On Wed, 3/4/09, Michael Johnson <michael at spacerocksinc.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Johnson <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] West Texas Meteorite Hunt - March 4, 2009
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 5:51 AM
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html
> 
> ______________________________________________
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Wed Mar  4 09:59:00 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:59:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West, Texas --stats, etc
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c99c85$21a56280$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>
Message-ID: <83441932.48341236178740756.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

My finds:

#1 15.2 gr. complete stone
#2 4.26 gr. complete stone
#3 7.76 gr. complete stone
#4 17.15 gr. complete stone
#5 1.195 gr. complete stone
#6 8.15 gr. complete stone

TOTAL: 53.715 grams

Mike Bandli

P.S. None are for sale.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Wesel" <rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com> 
To: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 8:53:15 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West, Texas --stats, etc 

Finds = 9 
Purchase = 1 
Weight = 184 grams plus the Hopper Stone at 71 grams for a total return of 
255 grams 

Rob Wesel 
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com 
------------------ 
We are the music makers... 
and we are the dreamers of the dreams. 
Willy Wonka, 1971 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Woolard" <meteoritefinder at yahoo.com> 
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:06 PM 
Subject: [meteorite-list] West, Texas --stats, etc 


> Hello List, 
> 
> I, too, had a great time at the new West, Tx fall. My son and I arrived 
> there on Wed afternoon, Feb 18th, 3 days after the fall, and hunted all 
> day Thu-Sat, the 19-21st. This was our 1st father-son hunt and it turned 
> out very well, as we found 5 specimens, with a total weight of 270g over 
> those 3 days. ( My son beat me by a factor of about 2.5 to 1 in regard to 
> weight found!) 
> 
> When we arrived home, my wife saw the beautiful stones and said she 
> wanted to go find some of them. In spite of my warning her about the tough 
> terrain and the biting, powerful winds, she still wanted to go. She had 
> been on one hunt with me 13 years ago, with no finds. So, after having to 
> let my regular job interfere with our meteorite hunting for a week, she 
> and I headed back down there for another try over Sun-Tues, 3-1-09 thru 
> 3-3-09 . We got very lucky again, as we both ended up finding one before 
> it was time to leave. 
> 
> Our "find stats" for about 5 day's hunting were: 
> 
> Total number = 7 individuals 
> Total weight = 407g 
> 
> I THINK my son's 133g find is PERHAPS the 5th (or so) largest stone?? 
> But this is exactly the point I was hoping to make with this post. It 
> really would be nice if everyone would post their totals as well. That 
> way, we wouldn't be guessing/estimating the total number of stones and the 
> TKW. I think everyone would be very interested to see what the true 
> numbers are. 
> 
> Best wishes, 
> Robert Woolard 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de  Wed Mar  4 10:08:37 2009
From: Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de (Carsten Giessler)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:08:37 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD New Fresh W1 L3 Chondrite, Incredible Beautiful!
Message-ID: <49AE9975.4090907@t-online.de>

Dear List,

we have a new L3 chondrite which is classified now.
Absolutely beautiful and fresh material, a must for all the chondrule 
lovers outthere! :-)

Please see pictures of the slices here:

http://www.gi-po.de/meteorite_pre.html

Most offered slices are full-slices, all are cut well and very 
beautiful. There are not many
other NWA type3's with such a low weathering grade!

Many thanks for viewing,

Carsten





From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 10:34:30 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:34:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Response to West stats
Message-ID: <313181.21963.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hello List,

  Thanks to all those who have already responded with their find statistics, as I hope the rest of you will when you have time. As one prominent member pointed out, the totals are still climbing, with finds being made even today. Obviously, the TKW and number of stones found will both climb to some degree over the next few days and even weeks. But, baring some exciting and unexpected development out in the field, which could conceivably happen at any time, it would seem that the best of the hunting is unfortunately past us, as the new planting/growing season progresses. The beauty of our list is that the totals can be adjusted easily, day by day even, as members continue to recover these beautiful stones.  

  Robert Woolard   







      

From bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 11:46:37 2009
From: bigpineartifacts at yahoo.com (mckinney trammell)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:46:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] millbilillie for sale
Message-ID: <623452.64258.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


here are my last VERY NICE Millbilillie pieces for sale.  http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpaleoasisQQhtZ-1 


      

From midwest at meteorman.org  Wed Mar  4 11:47:49 2009
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Timothy Heitz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:47:49 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Meteorite tally,
	PLEASE let's get this one right
References: <249775.11001.qm@web110612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FFF5636623E34DD2B6FD461A5CD7F6D2@hal2000>

Mike is right, and its his only dime.

My hat goes off to all of the 50 meteorite hunters and some of those who 
have day jobs they left only to find a handful of meteorites
before it gets plowed under.

All the best,
Tim Heitz










----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Fries, Marc D" 
<marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West Meteorite tally,PLEASE let's get this one 
right



Actually Marc, I also went there on my own dime, like the other roughly 50 
meteorite hunters. I have no paycheck coming in like you, I have to hustle 
if I want paid. I have no retirement fund other that what I sock away on my 
own, no health-care plan, no sick days or any other form of money other than 
what I make myself. I had plans, and work to do, and this meteorite fall 
forced me to change those plans, and prioritize my time. Of course not 
everyone can do that, but come on, central Texas, barely one hour from 
Austin or Dallas, and no interest from meteorite specialists.

I also told the meteorite list a week ago that I am going to publish my 
strewn-field map, with almost 100 stones to be listed. I can not list the 
other team's stones, as again, they are sworn to secrecy and not likely to 
share that kind of data like I am going to. Give me till Thursday or Friday 
and I should have the map up for all who want it.
Michael Farmer

--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Fries, Marc D <marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> From: Fries, Marc D <marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West Meteorite tally, PLEASE let's get this 
> one right
> To: "meteoriteguy at yahoo.com" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>, 
> "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 10:17 PM
> This scientist could only make it there for one and a half
> days, on my own
> dime, and would have loved to stay.  A downside of our
> profession is that
> most of us have to account for our (fairly pricey) time and
> don?t have much
> in the way of flexibility.
>
> I?m very interested in seeing the tally from this fall.
> Even better would
> be a detailed strewn field map with locations and masses,
> but even a rough
> depiction of the strewn field long axis (axes?) would be
> great stuff.  Seems
> to me that a downside of your profession is that that
> information is used to
> support yourselves and so becomes proprietary.  I
> understand that, but it is
> a real loss scientifically speaking.
>
> Cheers,
> Marc Fries
>
> On 3/3/09 9:06 PM, "Michael Farmer"
> <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I join Robert in requesting an exact stone count and
> weight tally in order to
> > get this fall as close as possible to exact number of
> stones and TKW.
> >
> > I have the following
> >
> > Woolard 7  =  407g
> > Wesel 10 =  255g
> > Farmer 23 = 531.6g
> >
> > I know that more than 45 meteorite hunters showed up
> in the field, so come on
> > guys, lets get the tally done as fast as possible so
> we can firm up the TKW on
> > this fantastic new fall.
> >
> > Let's show the scientists that we as collectors
> can compile data and properly
> > record a new fall all by ourselves. By the way, the
> one thing I never did run
> > into down there was a single scientist.
> > Pity, some of them hate collectors and dealers, but
> when a fall occurs, they
> > are nowhere to be seen or collect a stone and rush off
> to the lab forgetting
> > that there are hundreds if not thousands of other
> stones left to rot.
> >
> > Michael Farmer
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
>
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From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Mar  4 11:59:16 2009
From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:59:16 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Well okay then
In-Reply-To: <19311149.2592311236174718126.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5D3F364.6169%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>

Howdy all

    I?ve received a few ...em... ?spirited? responses to my last email that
tell me that it didn?t exactly read the way I intended.  I wasn?t trying to
be a hero because I bought a plane ticket, I was trying to say that
traveling on ?your own dime? isn?t what scientists are used to doing.
Someone had made the comment that there were no scientists to be seen at
West, and I agree that is ridiculous.  Scientists travel to Antarctica every
year to collect meteorites, but no one could be bothered to fly to Austin!?
How many people who spend their lives studying meteorites just passed up a
chance to see an actual, fresh strewn field??  (not to mention the kolaches)
Funny thing is, I was actually agreeing with some of the nasty-grams I?ve
received.  
    Sounds like I touched a nerve.  Can I suggest that y?all spare me the
wrath, and direct it instead at the scientists who weren?t actually there?

Cheers,
MDF


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Mar  4 12:33:11 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:33:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Lower Atmosphere of Pluto Revealed
Message-ID: <200903041733.JAA22926@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.eso.org/public/outreach/press-rel/pr-2009/pr-08-09.html

ESO 08/09 - Science Release

2 March 2009
For Immediate Release
    
The lower atmosphere of Pluto revealed

Using ESO's Very Large Telescope, astronomers have gained valuable new
insights about the atmosphere of the dwarf planet Pluto. The scientists
found unexpectedly large amounts of methane in the atmosphere, and also
discovered that the atmosphere is hotter than the surface by about 40
degrees, although it still only reaches a frigid minus 180 degrees
Celsius. These properties of Pluto's atmosphere may be due to the
presence of pure methane patches or of a methane-rich layer covering the
dwarf planet's surface.

<http://www.eso.org/gallery/v/ESOPIA/SolarSystem/pr-08a-09-fullres.tif.html>
ESO PR Photo 08a/09
<http://www.eso.org/gallery/v/ESOPIA/SolarSystem/pr-08a-09-fullres.tif.html>
Pluto (Artist's Impression)

"With lots of methane in the atmosphere, it becomes clear why Pluto's
atmosphere is so warm," says Emmanuel Lellouch, lead author of the paper
reporting the results.

Pluto, which is about a fifth the size of Earth, is composed primarily
of rock and ice. As it is about 40 times further from the Sun than the
Earth on average, it is a very cold world with a surface temperature of
about minus 220 degrees Celsius!

It has been known since the 1980s that Pluto also has a tenuous
atmosphere [1], which consists of a thin envelope of mostly
nitrogen, with traces of methane and probably carbon monoxide. As Pluto
moves away from the Sun, during its 248 year-long orbit, its atmosphere
gradually freezes and falls to the ground. In periods when it is closer
to the Sun ??? as it is now ??? the temperature of Pluto's solid surface
increases, causing the ice to sublimate into gas.

Until recently, only the upper parts of the atmosphere of Pluto could be
studied. By observing stellar occultations (ESO 21/02
<http://www.eso.org/public/outreach/press-rel/pr-2002/phot-21-02.html>), 
a phenomenon that occurs when a Solar
System body blocks the light from a background star, astronomers were
able to demonstrate that Pluto's upper atmosphere was some 50 degrees
warmer than the surface, or minus 170 degrees Celsius. These
observations couldn't shed any light on the atmospheric temperature and
pressure near Pluto's surface. But unique, new observations made with
the CRyogenic InfraRed Echelle Spectrograph (CRIRES), attached to ESO's
Very Large Telescope, have now revealed that the atmosphere as a whole,
not just the upper atmosphere, has a mean temperature of minus 180
degrees Celsius, and so it is indeed "much hotter" than the surface.

In contrast to the Earth's atmosphere [2], most, if not all, of
Pluto's atmosphere is thus undergoing a temperature inversion: the
temperature is higher, the higher in the atmosphere you look. The change
is about 3 to 15 degrees per kilometre. On Earth, under normal
circumstances, the temperature decreases through the atmosphere by about
6 degrees per kilometre.

"It is fascinating to think that with CRIRES we are able to precisely
measure traces of a gas in an atmosphere 100 000 times more tenuous than
the Earth's, on an object five times smaller than our planet and located
at the edge of the Solar System," says co-author Hans-Ulrich Kaufl. "The
combination of CRIRES and the VLT is almost like having an advanced
atmospheric research satellite orbiting Pluto."

The reason why Pluto's surface is so cold is linked to the existence of
Pluto's atmosphere, and is due to the sublimation of the surface ice;
much like sweat cools the body as it evaporates from the surface of the
skin, this sublimation has a cooling effect on the surface of Pluto. In
this respect, Pluto shares some properties with comets, whose coma and
tails arise from sublimating ice as they approach the Sun.

The CRIRES observations also indicate that methane is the second most
common gas in Pluto's atmosphere, representing half a percent of the
molecules. "We were able to show that these quantities of methane play a
crucial role in the heating processes in the atmosphere and can explain
the elevated atmospheric temperature," says Lellouch.

Two different models can explain the properties of Pluto's atmosphere.
In the first, the astronomers assume that Pluto's surface is covered
with a thin layer of methane, which will inhibit the sublimation of the
nitrogen frost. The second scenario invokes the existence of pure
methane patches on the surface.

"Discriminating between the two will require further study of Pluto as
it moves away from the Sun," says Lellouch. "And of course, NASA's New
Horizons space probe will also provide us with more clues when it
reaches the dwarf planet in 2015."

Notes

[1] The atmospheric pressure on Pluto is only about one hundred
thousandth of that on Earth, or about 0.015 millibars.

[2] Usually, air near the surface of the Earth is warmer than the air
above it, largely because the atmosphere is heated from below as solar
radiation warms the Earth's surface, which, in turn, warms the layer of
the atmosphere directly above it. Under certain conditions, this
situation is inverted so that the air is colder near the surface of the
Earth. Meteorologists call this an inversion layer, and it can cause
smog build-up.

More information

E. Lellouch et al. 2009, A&A, in press, Pluto's lower atmosphere
structure and methane abundance from high-resolution spectroscopy and
stellar occultations <http://fr.arxiv.org/abs/0901.4882>.
The team is composed of E. Lellouch, B. Sicardy, and C. de Bergh
(Observatoire de Paris, France), H.-U. K??ufl (ESO), S. Kassi and A.
Campargue (Universit?? Joseph Fourier, France).
      
Contacts

Emmanuel Lellouch
Observatoire de Paris, France
E-mail: emmanuel.lellouch (at) obspm.fr
Phone: +33 1 450 77 672

Hans-Ulrich Kaufl
ESO, Garching, Germany
E-mail: hukaufl (at) eso.org
Phone: +49 89 3200 6414
Cell: +49 160 6365135

ESO La Silla - Paranal - ELT Press Officer: Dr. Henri Boffin - +49 89
3200 6222 - hboffin at eso.org
ESO Press Officer in Chile: Valentina Rodriguez - +56 2 463 3123 -
vrodrigu at eso.org


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Mar  4 13:27:11 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:27:11 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST "Cottingham's Total"
Message-ID: <13EF44BE-ECEE-42CB-A7CB-F3E6546E7078@gilanet.com>

Hello,

My son and I recovered

18 pieces in 4.5 days of hunting with a total of 286 grams.

Believe it or not somewhere in my truck, laundry or in my bags, there  
are two more missing stones... probably not more than 12 more grams   
total, but I CAN"T FIND THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YIKES!!!


Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 13:39:01 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:39:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (ad) 1 freebie
Message-ID: <254953.72536.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi list.I have a 24.7 gram endcut of VACA MUERTA to givaway.Whoever is the first one,gets it.Act fast.
?
Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://chicagometeorites.net/">http://chicagometeorites.net/</a>


      

From majbaermann at web.de  Wed Mar  4 13:52:43 2009
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:52:43 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST "Cottingham's Total"
References: <13EF44BE-ECEE-42CB-A7CB-F3E6546E7078@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <92FD3C5D76D4496CB252215FF71203FB@thinkcentre>

Hi Michael,

no problem, please send me your truck, laundry & bags ;-)

Dear Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!!!!!!!!! - wouldn't it be a good idea to 
dedicate a new list to giveaways, freebies, advertisement, selling and 
reselling? Of course it's one solution to click on "delete", but lifting a 
finger so often a day, a week is hard enough.

My best,

Matthias

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cottingham" <mikewren at gilanet.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:27 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST "Cottingham's Total"


> Hello,
>
> My son and I recovered
>
> 18 pieces in 4.5 days of hunting with a total of 286 grams.
>
> Believe it or not somewhere in my truck, laundry or in my bags, there  are 
> two more missing stones... probably not more than 12 more grams   total, 
> but I CAN"T FIND THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YIKES!!!
>
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Michael Cottingham
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 


From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 14:40:14 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:40:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Garage Sale - Micromounts, Meteorwrongs, UNWA,
	NWA 869, more.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37.1236186052.73694.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <466908.79066.qm@web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Spring Cleaning Part 2 - Meteorite Garage Sale.

I bought too much stuff recently and the wife is starting to look 
at me crossways.  

So I am cleaning out the nooks and crannies of my specimen cabinet
to free up some cash.  All prices are approximate, I am open to
reasonable offers.  

Take the entire lot, everything in this ad, for $110 shipped via
Priority Flat Rate Box.

Each micromount specimen comes with a 1.25" gemjar with a label in 
the bottom identifying the name, type, country of origin and date
of the fall or find.  

Shipping is only $2 to anywhere in the CONUS - if you buy one or 
ten, it's only $2.

Buyers outside the CONUS, including Canada and Overseas pay actual 
shipping costs - contact me for an estimate.

PayPal preferred.  I will accept a USPS Postal Money Order from 
CONUS buyers only.  Canadian and Overseas buyers must use PayPal.

I have a few larger specimens and themed Riker displays also. 

Refer to the photos in the links below.  If you want to see a 
close-up photo of a particular micromount, feel free to ask and I 
will provide one.  Some of the micromounts which consist of many 
tiny fragments are inside little glass vials with plastic
stoppers.  The vial is then placed in a labelled gemjar.  All 
micromounts were weighed on a milligram scale.

THE SALE PIECES :

1) UNWA endcut - unclassified, but I am almost certain it is 
Al-Haggounia.  This is half of the meteorite that I posted to this 
list about a few times over the last couple of months.  I had it 
sent off for cutting, and after consulting with several experienced 
list members, I am confident it is a weathered piece of Al-Hagg.
But I am selling it as UNWA because it is not been officially 
classified or paired. It's a nice chunky end piece with a clean cut
with lots of mineralized veins, faint  chondrules, and high metal
content.  Nice wind polished, uncut backside. This endcut weighs 75
grams.  Asking $30 or best offer.

2) Al-Haggounia 001 endcut.  This is a bonafide Al-Hagg piece that
I acquired from Arizona Johnny.  It's a classic slice of this 
meteorite, showing the characteristic tan, sandstone-like matrix 
with dark veins.  This piece is less weathered than the
larger UNWA endcut above, but the natural side lacks wind polish, 
which the other piece has.  This endcut weighs 17 grams.  Asking $10.

3) NWA 869 slice in a 6x8" Riker box with label.  This is a large 
slice of NWA 869 that weighs 21 grams.  It has 2 cut faces that 
show lots of chondrules and metal flecks.  It also has dark crust
around the edge of the slice.  It comes with a label as shown in 
the photo.  Asking $20 or best offer.

4) Meteorwrongs display in a 6x8" Riker box with label.  After 
sorting through a few dozen mixed kilos of UNWA material, I ran 
across some oddball specimens that are not meteorites, but are 
interesting nevertheless.  One of them is dead ringer for a 
meteorite, but shows no magnetic attraction.  I filed a window into 
the  backside of it, and I am confident it is not a meteorite.  I 
don't know what it is, but it's some kind of Earth rock imposter. 
It even has a faux remnant fusion crust in places.  There is also
some silicated rocks with desert varnish that look like
small meteorites.  Lastly, there are some magnetite specimens and 
something that might be hematite - these all stick to a magnet, but 
are not meteorites.  This would be a good outreach prop for 
identifying meteorites/wrongs.  Asking $25

5) Micromounts.  Each comes with a labelled gemjar and/or glass 
vial.  To see photos of specific pieces, email me.  Refer to the 
close-up photo linked below to get a good idea of what the micros
look like. Asking $5 each, unless otherwise marked.  Take them all
for $55 shipped.

Pallasovka - 11 grams of weathered fragments and olivine pieces.  Asking $10.
Tulia(a) - 200mg - 3 fragments
Carancas - 90mg of tiny fragments and dust.
Forestburg(a) - 159mg of fragments and dust
NWA 4439 (Carbonaceous CO3.3) - 141mg of small fragments.
Holbrook - 274mg of tiny fragments and dust.
NWA 2634 (Ureilite) - 32mg of small fragments.
Brenham - 281mg of weathered fragments and olivine pieces.
Travis County(b) - 331mg of small fragments.
Dawn(a) - 578mg - small endcut.
Cape York - 127mg of oxidized shale fragments.
Tulia(b) - 138mg of tiny fragments and dust.
Murchison (Carbonaceous CM2) - 25mg of small fragments. Asking $7

Thanks for looking and clear skies! :)

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................




      

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 14:44:40 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:44:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : Forgot the photo links! - Spring Cleaning Sale
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37.1236186052.73694.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <323298.8571.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


My apologies for the double post!  I forgot to attach the links
to the photos in my last sale ad.

Here they are :

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/sale.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/sale-2.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/sale-wrongs.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/869-box.jpg



.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................




      

From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 15:20:22 2009
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:20:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] My last two West Meteorites for sale
Message-ID: <380323.92836.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi all, 
here are my last two West specimens for sale. Email for prices, you'll be surprized.

http://www.mr-meteorite.net/westforsale.htm

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


      

From erikfwebb at msn.com  Wed Mar  4 15:30:45 2009
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:30:45 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Photos
Message-ID: <COL119-W3E43AF32C116A97FA89ABA4A70@phx.gbl>


I had the chance to use my schools Cannon new XSI for yearbook, so I took the opportunity to photograph some of my Holbrook finds.
Enjoi
 
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2941.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2946.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2947.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2950.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2953.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2955.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2957.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2964.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2965.jpg
 
[Erik]
 
 
 

From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 15:34:37 2009
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:34:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2.5 gram is sold...
Message-ID: <117532.5875.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I apologize for misspelled words grammar -I'm so tired.

2.5 gram is sold - 14.3 still available
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/westforsale.htm

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


      

From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 16:20:12 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:20:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] sorry for the spamming
Message-ID: <417224.30729.qm@web57803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi again list.Just for everybodys info,Matt Morgan got the vaca piece.I am sorry if I seem like I am spamming the list,but it is incredible what enthusiasm does to you.It is not my intention to "SPAM" the list.Have a good night.
?
Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://chicagometeorites.net/">http://chicagometeorites.net/</a>


      

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Mar  4 16:22:35 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:22:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Resumes Normal Science
	Operations
Message-ID: <200903042122.NAA29170@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-037  

Orbiter Resumes Normal Science Operations
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
March 03, 2009

Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Mission Status Report

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has fully
recovered from an unexpected computer re-set last week and resumed its
scientific investigation of Mars.

The mission's flight-team engineers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory,
Pasadena, Calif., and at Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, sent
commands Monday, March 2, to power up the spacecraft's science
instruments. Observations by the instruments resumed Tuesday morning
after confirmation of instrument health and proper temperatures.

The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter had rebooted its computer Monday
morning, Feb. 23, and put itself temporarily into a limited-activity
"safe" mode that is an automated safety response. After analysis of the
situation, including ground-based tests simulating the spacecraft
events, engineers took the spacecraft out of safe mode on Saturday.

"We have proceeded cautiously, checking the health and performance of
the spacecraft at each step as we brought it back to full, normal
operations," said JPL's Dan Johnston, mission manager for the Mars
Reconnaissance Orbiter.

The team found that a voltage reading might have triggered the Feb. 23
reboot and that the event could have resulted from a cosmic-ray hit
causing an erroneous voltage reading. Ground simulations have confirmed
the expected spacecraft behavior due to the erroneous voltage reading.
Since the Feb. 23 event, the spacecraft systems have continued to
perform as expected.

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology, manages the
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter for NASA's Science Mission Directorate,
Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems is the prime contractor for
the project and built the spacecraft. For more information about the
mission, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/mro .

Media contact: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

2009-037


From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Wed Mar  4 16:22:41 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:22:41 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] sorry for the spamming
Message-ID: <1740505037-1236201795-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1959745649-@bxe1169.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Actually thanks for the piece. There is a child I know that really wants a meteorite, so it will find a very appreciative home.
Thanks for the offer
Matt
------Original Message------
From: steve arnold
Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] sorry for the spamming
Sent: Mar 4, 2009 2:20 PM


Hi again list.Just for everybodys info,Matt Morgan got the vaca piece.I am sorry if I seem like I am spamming the list,but it is incredible what enthusiasm does to you.It is not my intention to "SPAM" the list.Have a good night.
?
Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://chicagometeorites.net/">http://chicagometeorites.net/</a>


      
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P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Mar  4 16:25:23 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:25:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey Flight Team to Check Status of Backup
	System
Message-ID: <200903042125.NAA00294@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-038  

Odyssey Flight Team to Check Status of Backup System
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
March 04, 2009

Mars Odyssey Mission Status Report

PASADENA, Calif. -- The team operating NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter plans
a procedure next week to address a long-known, potential vulnerability
of accumulated memory corruption.

The procedure requires rebooting the spacecraft's computer. This is not
a risk-free event, but the Odyssey team and NASA have carefully weighed
the risks of performing a cold reboot compared with the risk of doing
nothing, and determined that the proper course of action is to proceed
with the reboot.

The chief concern about the potential memory vulnerability stems from
the length of time that the spacecraft has been exposed to the
accumulated effects of the space radiation environment since the last
reboot, which occurred on Oct. 31, 2003.

As an additional benefit, the cold-reboot procedure will demonstrate
whether Odyssey's onboard backup systems will be available should they
ever be required.

"We have lost no functionality, but there would be advantages to knowing
whether the B side is available," said Odyssey Mission Manager Gaylon
McSmith of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "We have
developed a careful plan for attempting to determine that."

In all the years since its April 7, 2001, launch, Odyssey has not needed
to use its set of spare components. The spares are called the
spacecraft's "B side," which includes an identical set of a computer
processor, navigation sensors, relay radio and other subsystems. To use
any of them, Odyssey would have to shift to all of them at once from its
primary set of components, called the "A side."

On March 21, 2007, the B-side spare of an electronic component for
managing the distribution of power, called the high-efficiency power
supply, became inoperable. If it is permanently disabled, then none of
the B side is available for use. Engineers have investigated the
inoperability of the B-side high-efficiency power supply. They concluded
that the component can probably be made to work properly again by
rebooting the orbiter's computer, although the memory-vulnerability
issue that is the current concern is not directly related to the March
2007 event that affected the power supply.

Odyssey is in the third two-year extension of its mission at Mars. Some
A-side components, such as the UHF radio used for communications with
spacecraft on the surface of Mars, have worked as long as they were
designed to last.

In addition to its own major scientific discoveries and continuing
studies of the planet, the Odyssey mission has played important roles in
supporting the missions of the Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity and
the Phoenix Mars Lander.

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena,
manages Mars Odyssey for the NASA Science Mission Directorate,
Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime
contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. Additional
information about Odyssey is at http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/odyssey .

Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726
Headquarters, Washington
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov

2009-038


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Mar  4 16:27:28 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:27:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - March 4, 2009
Message-ID: <200903042127.NAA01246@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
March 4, 2009


o Opportunity Imaged by HiRISE 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_011765_1780
 
o Mesa on a Mesa
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_011648_1730

o Ancient Volcano Defrosting
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_011605_1170


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.


From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Wed Mar  4 16:57:18 2009
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:57:18 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - West meteorite - 17 grams
Message-ID: <ca2e5084c5124dc7a8f089eeaf63a2e9@ucv1.vhostdns.com>

The meteorite I found on Saturday is now for sale on my website.

This is the same stone from the 10 minute video compilation I put on Youtube.

Pics of the stone are here:
http://outofabluesky.com/index.php?option=com_jportfolio&cat=4&project=46&Itemid=58

-mt
IMCA 2760



From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Mar  4 17:09:36 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:09:36 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST- A challenge to the hunters of The West
	Meteorite! & THANKS TO MICHAEL JOHNSON
Message-ID: <379CCE97-DED4-465E-8D85-C96A465842A6@gilanet.com>

Hello,

I am still trying to get the time to post some of my photos of my West  
Keepers to Michael Johnson. Which got me thinking about the enjoyment  
of his site and all of those wonderful photos which have kept us all  
connected on The West Meteorite Fall.
I decided to send Michael Johnson a piece of West, a small part slice  
and a newspaper with a story about the fall.  I would ask a few of the  
more lucky hunters to maybe share a piece with Michael Johnson, if you  
can. I know it really is a lot to ask, but his site really was awesome  
and on the top of the excitement and tempo of the West Fall. If not  
for his posting of all the wonderful photos, we would not have had  
this event shine like it has. His work was simply a new turning point  
in meteorite hunting and field reporting-visually speaking.

THANKS MICHAEL JOHNSON.

Send Him Some Meteorites, please, at the least a BIG LIST THANK YOU!

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Mar  4 17:06:01 2009
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 04 Mar 2009 22:06:01 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST + THANKS TO MICHAEL JOHNSON
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000006100003990@paulinet.de>

M.C. kindly wrote:

> I decided to send Michael Johnson a piece of West, a small part slice  
> and a newspaper with a story about the fall. I would ask a few of the  
> more lucky hunters to maybe share a piece with Michael Johnson ...

!!!

Best wishes,

Bernd


From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Wed Mar  4 17:49:50 2009
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:49:50 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Photos
In-Reply-To: <mailman.60.1236204582.93466.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.60.1236204582.93466.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <49AF058E.10205@meteoritewatch.com>

Very nice indeed! Great job Erik!

I was thinking that since Holbrook was a relatively fresh meteorite 
(compared to say Franconia or GB and most NWA I've seen), it's amazing 
to see how much or little the fusion crust on some pieces weather away. 
Holbrook falling in 1912 and being on the ground not quite 100 years is 
a blink of an eye in geological time. The crust in in good shape and 
there's some patina and oxidation.

I can imagine whatever is not destroyed of the West TX fall will look 
worse than Holbrook in 100 years due to the weather in Texas. Keep in 
mind that lots of land out there is not farmland but ranches and they 
don't get plowed or irrigated like cropland. Stones that are on the 
ranches, -as long as they stay ranches- should be relatively preserved 
right? Rainfall/Snowfall must also be considered but The only data I 
found said about 8 inches annually for the area.

Not that we'll be around to see it but, what do you think West will look 
like in 100 Years?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA



Subject:
[meteorite-list] Holbrook Photos
From:
Erik Fisler <erikfwebb at msn.com>
Date:
Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:30:45 -0700

To:
meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>


I had the chance to use my schools Cannon new XSI for yearbook, so I took the opportunity to photograph some of my Holbrook finds.
Enjoi
 
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2941.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2946.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2947.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2950.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2953.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2955.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2957.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2964.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2965.jpg
 
[Erik]
 
 
 



From majesticmeteorites at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 18:07:14 2009
From: majesticmeteorites at gmail.com (Whitney Riner)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:07:14 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Meteorites and Methane
Message-ID: <e283ab000903041507p763d2700m90f6c2257ed46205@mail.gmail.com>

       I sent this question/suggestion a few weeks ago to the 'Ask an
Astrobiologist' column (David Morrison.)  In sounds like that after
consultation they feel it might be worth looking into.  Any thoughts
on the likelihood of detectable trapped methane surviving in Martian
meteorites?

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/question/?id=5118

-Whitney

From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Mar  4 18:22:16 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:22:16 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST- A challenge to the hunters of The West
	Meteorite! & THANKS TO MICHAEL JOHNSON
In-Reply-To: <236075.51229.qm@web45110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <236075.51229.qm@web45110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2DCF7D5B-4ACE-4DDA-A2D7-C1F459A91226@gilanet.com>


NO CHALLENGE AT ALL FRIEND. NO CHALLENGE AT ALL.  I am Challenging  
other hunters to maybe do the same... that's all. I think you missed  
the whole point.

Best Wishes

Michael

On Mar 4, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Carl Esparza wrote:

> Michael. I'm sorry to hear it was a challenge for you to offer an  
> act of kindness to Mr. Johnson.. But thank you for doing it anyway.  
> Carl
>
> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, michael cottingham <mikewren at gilanet.com> wrote:
>
> From: michael cottingham <mikewren at gilanet.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST- A challenge to the hunters of The  
> West Meteorite! & THANKS TO MICHAEL JOHNSON
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 3:09 PM
>
> Hello,
>
> I am still trying to get the time to post some of my photos of my  
> West Keepers to Michael Johnson. Which got me thinking about the  
> enjoyment of his site and all of those wonderful photos which have  
> kept us all connected on The West Meteorite Fall.
> I decided to send Michael Johnson a piece of West, a small part  
> slice and a newspaper with a story about the fall.  I would ask a  
> few of the more lucky hunters to maybe share a piece with Michael  
> Johnson, if you can. I know it really is a lot to ask, but his site  
> really was awesome and on the top of the excitement and tempo of the  
> West Fall. If not for his posting of all the wonderful photos, we  
> would not have had this event shine like it has. His work was simply  
> a new turning point in meteorite hunting and field reporting- 
> visually speaking.
>
> THANKS MICHAEL JOHNSON.
>
> Send Him Some Meteorites, please, at the least a BIG LIST THANK YOU!
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Michael Cottingham
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From erikfwebb at msn.com  Wed Mar  4 18:54:32 2009
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:54:32 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Photos
Message-ID: <COL119-W44E8C3C6E52CD15FFCD7DCA4A70@phx.gbl>


Eric, 
  Just like at Holbrook, they may be subject to the hoofs of cattle/horses.  The ground at Holbrook is what preserved the meteorites that we find there today.  With the grass at West Texas, the meteorites might not
be churned up by wind, water, and cattle or be easy to spot.  Plus more material fell at Holbrook allowing
more pieces to have the chance to survive over time.  In addition, some of the meteorites that fell at Holbrook penetrated as deep as 6 inches.
 
[Erik]
 
 
 
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Photos
Eric Wichman
Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:49:52 -0800
Very nice indeed! Great job Erik!
I was thinking that since Holbrook was a relatively fresh meteorite (compared to say Franconia or GB and most NWA I've seen), it's amazing to see how much or little the fusion crust on some pieces weather away. Holbrook falling in 1912 and being on the ground not quite 100 years is a blink of an eye in geological time. The crust in in good shape and there's some patina and oxidation. 
I can imagine whatever is not destroyed of the West TX fall will look worse than Holbrook in 100 years due to the weather in Texas. Keep in mind that lots of land out there is not farmland but ranches and they don't get plowed or irrigated like cropland. Stones that are on the ranches, -as long as they stay ranches- should be relatively preserved right? Rainfall/Snowfall must also be considered but The only data I found said about 8 inches annually for the area. 
Not that we'll be around to see it but, what do you think West will look like in 100 Years? 
Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
 
Subject:
[meteorite-list] Holbrook Photos
From:
Erik Fisler 
Date:
Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:30:45 -0700
To:
meteorite-list 

I had the chance to use my schools Cannon new XSI for yearbook, so I took the 
opportunity to photograph some of my Holbrook finds.
Enjoi
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2941.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2946.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2947.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2950.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2953.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2955.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2957.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2964.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2965.jpg
[Erik]

From erikfwebb at msn.com  Wed Mar  4 19:09:41 2009
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:09:41 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Questionable Unclasified Stone. Brecciated???
Message-ID: <COL119-W60735DE117BCEAA38C6E93A4A40@phx.gbl>


Hello List,
  At the Tucson Show this year I purchased a few unclassified chondrites from Dima. One of them has very interesting oblation pits that creat ridges.  Is this because the stone is most likely brecciated?
Or just an interesting fenominom?
 
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2859.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2860.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2861.jpg
 
[Erik]
 
 

From vk3ukf at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  4 19:13:06 2009
From: vk3ukf at hotmail.com (Kevin Forbes)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:13:06 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test Post please ignore.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.61.1236204582.93466.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.61.1236204582.93466.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W44A966349AC6FC9671FE4299A40@phx.gbl>


This is a test post, the mod replied to me to check email format and they had changed to rich text, why does that happen?
Kevin, VK3UKF.
_________________________________________________________________
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From grf2 at verizon.net  Wed Mar  4 19:23:15 2009
From: grf2 at verizon.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:23:15 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
References: <9322382.2545741236120968757.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <0358AEF4B9844329817A6B6CF52E5BA0@ASUS>

Thanks guys and a special thanks to Michael J.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Johnson" <michael at spacerocksinc.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:56 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT


> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
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From almitt at kconline.com  Wed Mar  4 19:42:29 2009
From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitterling)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:42:29 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay Auctions Running
In-Reply-To: <ca2e5084c5124dc7a8f089eeaf63a2e9@ucv1.vhostdns.com>
References: <ca2e5084c5124dc7a8f089eeaf63a2e9@ucv1.vhostdns.com>
Message-ID: <B3F47B02CDC44EB9B98EF5CC2D008A9D@StarmanPC>

Greetings,

It's been a little while since I ran any ebay auctions. Most of these are 
for big ticket items. The actions include:
Allende Mexico CV3 (661 grams)

El Hammami   H5 (1328 grams crusted)

Large Zag Morocco Fall 1998 Aug. 4 or 5th Class: H3-6 Nice fragment with 
crust. 2665 grams

NWA801 CR2  (49 gm)

Nice Gibeon whole 11.57 kilos

Seymchan Pallasite with Translu. crystals (591 gram full slice)

DIMMITT, Texas. (H3.6) This came from the Monig collection. It has two 
numbers painted on it; an early Monig catalog #

Tulia, Texas (H5) With original Monnig Catalog number

KORRA KORRABES, Namibia. (H3), breccia. (854.4 gram stone)

Many other noteworthy items you should check. See my link here:

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet

All my best!

--AL Mitterling

Mitterling Meteorites





From fcressy at prodigy.net  Wed Mar  4 20:31:38 2009
From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:31:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Questionable Unclasified Stone. Brecciated???
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W60735DE117BCEAA38C6E93A4A40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <172764.13214.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Erik and all,

Can't tell too much through the weathered crust.  Sometimes though, the chondritic material in an impact melt breccia ablates easier than the melt forming deeper than normal thumbprints.  You might have to cut it to be sure.

The following link to Bob Haag's site has a photo of Cat Mountain that shows some deep fissures similar to the ones in yours.

http://www.meteoriteman.com/collection/cat.htm

Cheers,

Frank

--- On Wed, 3/4/09, Erik Fisler <erikfwebb at msn.com> wrote:

From: Erik Fisler <erikfwebb at msn.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Questionable Unclasified Stone. Brecciated???
To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 4:09 PM

Hello List,
  At the Tucson Show this year I purchased a few unclassified chondrites from
Dima. One of them has very interesting oblation pits that creat ridges.  Is this
because the stone is most likely brecciated?
Or just an interesting fenominom?
 
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2859.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2860.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/Collection/IMG_2861.jpg
 
[Erik]
 
 
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Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 20:58:27 2009
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:58:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Meteorite Hunting Dog is in the news again!
Message-ID: <288218.13574.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi all,
Sorry for not answering my emails for the last 3 hours I was on a plane and was unable to answer to do so. I'm working on them now....

Also I was interviewed yesterday by the local paper -the West News - in West, Texas - And so there is a GREAT article about Hopper today! Oh ya, they also mention Steve Arnold, Sonny, Rob Wesel and me...

If there are any hunters still in west this will be a keeper for sure so get a copy or two.

Here is a link to two of the pics in the article
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/meteoritefindingdog.htm

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


      

From info at tektiteinc.com  Wed Mar  4 21:01:58 2009
From: info at tektiteinc.com (info at tektiteinc.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:01:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - RIZALITES ending on eBay in less than a day!
Message-ID: <54524.127.0.0.1.1236218518.squirrel@syd-srv07.ezyreg.com>

Hello Listees,

I have some nice Rizalites ending on eBay soon. Please have a look. Thanks
in advance.

Cheers,
Desmond Leong
IMCA #2254
http://www.TektiteInc.com
http://stores.ebay.com/Tektite-Inc
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtektiteinc-dot-com



From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Wed Mar  4 21:17:17 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 18:17:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <11804920.2706451236219437953.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html


From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Wed Mar  4 22:28:06 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:28:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - YouTube Videos added
Message-ID: <33397394.2711731236223686940.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html

From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  5 05:38:36 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 02:38:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hopper
Message-ID: <204437.70537.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi all - 

Rob, I am curious, Did Hopper get a steak or a steak bone? Any pictures of him chowing down?

Ed "E.P." Grondine


      

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Thu Mar  5 06:19:34 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 03:19:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 5, 2009
Message-ID: <30010277.2726861236251974212.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_5_2009.html

From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Thu Mar  5 07:03:39 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:03:39 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Meteorites and Methane
In-Reply-To: <e283ab000903041507p763d2700m90f6c2257ed46205@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090305120339.7RSBR.886334.root@web01-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Whitney,

What a brilliant idea. I hope it is followed up and the methane is found...and you get some credit for it. Imagine... coming up with the idea that confirmed life on mars! Keep us informed of any developments you come across.

Graham Ensor, UK

---- Whitney Riner <majesticmeteorites at gmail.com> wrote: 
>        I sent this question/suggestion a few weeks ago to the 'Ask an
> Astrobiologist' column (David Morrison.)  In sounds like that after
> consultation they feel it might be worth looking into.  Any thoughts
> on the likelihood of detectable trapped methane surviving in Martian
> meteorites?
> 
> http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/question/?id=5118
> 
> -Whitney
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


From info at meteorites.com.au  Thu Mar  5 08:05:05 2009
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 00:05:05 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Stunning Henbury on eBay
Message-ID: <CF34FDA9DBE34EFC951BB5AA6BA5AD8F@JeffPC>

G'day all,

One of my best and all time fav iron specimens up on eBay!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120387470947

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Director - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc


From nwa482 at comcast.net  Thu Mar  5 10:26:48 2009
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:26:48 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Medals now available
Message-ID: <5310D96B57A2429A95C73DB754B841FF@DJQVK441>

Hi All..........

We have two new designs now available for NWA 2995 Lunar and NWA 2986 
Martian.  This would be considered series #2 of these specimens.  The 
production run was limited to 250 pieces each and they are consecutively 
numbered.  These medals were sold toward the end of the Tucson show so some 
numbers are not available but we will try to accomodate requests.  I know 
for sure that 1 to 10, 18, 50, 51, 65 and 69 are not available.  You can 
contact either Mike Farmer or myself for requests.  Both of our emails are 
at the bottom of the website:   LIST SPECIAL is $50- each including 
shipping.

http://www.meteoritecoins.com/

The fronts of the new designs are:

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/temp/nwa2995coin2bfront.JPG

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/temp/nwa2986coin2bfront.JPG

Thanks for looking !

Jim Strope
http://www.catchafallingstar.com 


From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  5 10:35:25 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:35:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Find a Falling Star for $35
In-Reply-To: <mailman.207.1236258374.46357.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <310348.59077.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi List!

I was browsing the used book titles at Barnes and Noble online,
and I noticed they have a copy of Nininger's Find a Falling Star
for only $33 plus ship.  It's an ex-library book, and the condition
might not be great, but the price is rock bottom.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/used/product.asp?EAN=2692675820359&Itm=1

I'm not currently in the market (wife would kill me), but I thought
someone else here might want in on this bargain.

Clear skies!

MikeG



.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................




      

From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Thu Mar  5 12:44:11 2009
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:44:11 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 4905 Basaltic Eucrite Micrographs and Guess
	the stone!
Message-ID: <be5.4d64ff74.36e1696b@aol.com>

Hi List,  Tony Irving had sent me a thin  section of NWA 4905 Basaltic 
Eucrite to image.  While coming up with some  very close up shots I researched a 
little and found a photo of the main mass on  the Chladnis-Heirs site.

I have a stone that looks very similar and I  wanted to get opinions of the 
likelihood of it being paired.  I have sent  the photos to Tony but mostly I 
wanted to show off some cool  micrographs.

Any one that wants to look please email me and I will send  the photos in an 
email reduced and embedded so there is nothing to  download.

Thanks,  Tom Phillips  

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From element33 at peconic.net  Thu Mar  5 12:59:49 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:59:49 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Find a Falling Star for $35
References: <310348.59077.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <071501c99dbc$2e019d40$bafb3251@Inspiron8200>

hello Mike and list members

I am new to this list and will present myself soon (waiting for the West 
craze to cool down :))
Being a new meteorite passionate, I am interested in this book.
Doing a quick search, Amazon seems to offer that same book (@ $33.98) with 
same
description: lots of marks and wear, published in 1976.
http://www.amazon.com/Find-Falling-Star-H-Nininger/dp/083972229X

Not being an original edition (1972), why do you say the price is rock 
bottom ?
On Amazon they have about 10 books starting at $ 28 and collectibles for 
$200-300

Please, don't take this email as aggressive, I am just trying to get more 
information.

Thanks !
Great day to everyone

Michael Bross


  Hi List!

  I was browsing the used book titles at Barnes and Noble online,
  and I noticed they have a copy of Nininger's Find a Falling Star
  for only $33 plus ship.  It's an ex-library book, and the condition
  might not be great, but the price is rock bottom.
  http://search.barnesandnoble.com/used/product.asp?EAN=2692675820359&Itm=1

  I'm not currently in the market (wife would kill me), but I thought
  someone else here might want in on this bargain.

  Clear skies!

  MikeG 




From almitt at kconline.com  Thu Mar  5 14:26:31 2009
From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitterling)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:26:31 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Find a Falling Star for $35
In-Reply-To: <071501c99dbc$2e019d40$bafb3251@Inspiron8200>
References: <310348.59077.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<071501c99dbc$2e019d40$bafb3251@Inspiron8200>
Message-ID: <F704CEEA1328487F9719BC28E8A520F9@StarmanPC>

Hi Michael,

First welcome to the list. Glad to see another affectionado here.

Being a Nininger fan I think I can answer your question. First meteorite 
books are not printed in very large numbers. They tend to cost more to begin 
with. Nininger is considered by many the father of American Meteoritics and 
brought about a new way of finding them, researching them. Most of these 
books are grabbed up by the many new collectors coming into the hobby and 
are stanard meteorite information in most collectors libraries. Some 
Nininger books can fetch several hundred dollars when sold as they are a 
collectable in their own rights. Books with his signiture are more sought 
after.

The book is worth buying at the $35 price. Warning though, if you read it 
you will be hooked on meteorites and meteorite hunting. It will give you 
great insight of what a hunter goes through. Find a Fallen Star is a self 
biography by Nininger himself.

You should also subscribe to Meteorite Magazine which will help you with the 
hobby. Next issue will be one worth reading.

You can also go to this website for more information on Nininger and 
meteorites.

http://www.meteorite.com/nininger/

Hope you have a great time enjoying this wonderful hobby.

--AL Mitterling


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Bross" <element33 at peconic.net>
To: <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Find a Falling Star for $35


> hello Mike and list members
>
> I am new to this list and will present myself soon (waiting for the West 
> craze to cool down :))
> Being a new meteorite passionate, I am interested in this book.
> Doing a quick search, Amazon seems to offer that same book (@ $33.98) with 
> same
> description: lots of marks and wear, published in 1976.
> http://www.amazon.com/Find-Falling-Star-H-Nininger/dp/083972229X
>
> Not being an original edition (1972), why do you say the price is rock 
> bottom ?
> On Amazon they have about 10 books starting at $ 28 and collectibles for 
> $200-300
>
> Please, don't take this email as aggressive, I am just trying to get more 
> information.
>
> Thanks !
> Great day to everyone
>
> Michael Bross
>
>
>  Hi List!
>
>  I was browsing the used book titles at Barnes and Noble online,
>  and I noticed they have a copy of Nininger's Find a Falling Star
>  for only $33 plus ship.  It's an ex-library book, and the condition
>  might not be great, but the price is rock bottom.
>  http://search.barnesandnoble.com/used/product.asp?EAN=2692675820359&Itm=1
>
>  I'm not currently in the market (wife would kill me), but I thought
>  someone else here might want in on this bargain.
>
>  Clear skies!
>
>  MikeG
>
>
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Thu Mar  5 14:36:41 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:36:41 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: MY LAST 4 WEST SPECIMENS AND THEN I AM
	OUT-Last Notice.
Message-ID: <1AF786E3-0AD9-424F-93B8-D790A33BD679@gilanet.com>

Hello,

WOW!  Almost sold out and I am sure my last 4 specimens will be gone  
shortly. Final Notice.

http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history

Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Mar  5 15:31:03 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:31:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA's Mars Rover Spirit Faces Circuitous Route
Message-ID: <200903052031.MAA04929@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-041  

NASA's Mars Rover Spirit Faces Circuitous Route
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
March 05, 2009

PASADENA, Calif. -- Loose soil piled against the northern edge of a low
plateau called "Home Plate" has blocked NASA's Mars Exploration Rover
Spirit from taking the shortest route toward its southward destinations
for the upcoming Martian summer and following winter.

The rover has begun a trek skirting at least partway around the plateau
instead of directly over it.

However, Spirit has also gotten a jump start on its summer science
plans, examining a silica-rich outcrop that adds information about a
long-gone environment that had hot water or steam. And even a circuitous
route to the destinations chosen for Spirit would be much shorter than
the overland expedition Spirit's twin, Opportunity, is making on the
opposite side of Mars.

Both rovers landed on Mars in 2004 for what were originally planned as
three-month missions there.

Spirit spent 2008 on the northern edge of Home Plate, a flat-topped
deposit about the size of a baseball field, composed of hardened ash and
rising about 1.5 meters (5 feet) above the ground around it. There, the
north-facing tilt positioned Spirit's solar arrays to catch enough
sunshine for the rover to survive the six-month-long Martian winter.

The scientists and engineers who operate the rovers chose as 2009
destinations a steep mound called "Von Braun" and an irregular,
45-meter-wide (150-foot-wide) bowl called "Goddard." These side-by-side
features offer a promising area to examine while energy is adequate
during the Martian summer and also to provide the next north-facing
winter haven beginning in late 2009. Von Braun and Goddard intrigue
scientists as sites where Spirit may find more evidence about an
explosive mix of water and volcanism in the area's distant past. They
are side-by-side, about 200 meters, or yards, south of where Spirit is now.

It's mid-spring now in the southern hemisphere of Mars. The sun has
climbed higher in the sky over Spirit in recent weeks.

The rover team tried to drive Spirit onto Home Plate, heading south
toward Von Braun and Goddard. They tried this first from partway up the
slope where the rover had spent the winter. Only five of the six wheels
on Spirit have been able to rotate since the right-front wheel stopped
working in 2006. With five-wheel drive, Spirit couldn't climb the slope.
In January and February, Spirit descended from Home Plate and drove
eastward about 15 meters (about 50 feet) toward a less steep on-ramp.
Spinning wheels in loose soil led the rover team to choose another of
its options.

"Spirit could not make progress in the last two attempts to get up onto
Home Plate," said John Callas of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory,
Pasadena, Calif., project manager for both rovers. "Alternatively, we
are driving Spirit around Home Plate to the east. Spirit will have to go
around a couple of small ridges that extend to the northeast, and then
see whether a route east of Home Plate looks traversable. If that route
proves not to be traversable, a route around the west side of Home Plate
is still an option."

During the drive eastward just north of Home Plate in January, Spirit
stopped to use tools on its robotic arm to examine a nodular, heavily
eroded outcrop dubbed "Stapledon," which had caught the eye of
rover-team scientist Steve Ruff when he looked at images and infrared
spectra Spirit took from its winter position.

"It looked like the material east of Home Plate that we found to be rich
in silica," said Ruff, of Arizona State University, Tempe. "The silica
story around Home Plate is the most important finding of the Spirit
mission so far with regard to habitability. Silica this concentrated
forms around hot springs or steam vents, and both of those are favorable
environments for life on Earth."

Sure enough, Spirit's alpha particle X-ray spectrometer found Stapledon
to be rich in silica, too.

"Now we have found silica on a second side of Home Plate, expanding the
size of the environment we know was affected by hot springs or steam
vents," Ruff said. "The bigger this system, the more water was involved,
the more habitable this system may have been."

The contact measurement with the X-ray spectrometer also gave the team
confidence in its ability to identify silica-rich outcrops from a
distance with the rover's thermal emission spectrometer, despite some
dust that has accumulated on a periscope mirror of that instrument.
Researchers plan to use Spirit's thermal emission spectrometer and
panoramic camera to check for more silica-rich outcrops on the route to
Von Braun and Goddard. However, the team has set a priority to make good
progress toward those destinations. Winds cleaned some dust off Spirit's
solar panels on Feb. 6 and Feb. 14, resulting in a combined increase of
about 20 percent in the amount of power available to the rover.

Opportunity, meanwhile, shows signs of increased friction in its
right-front wheel. The team is driving the rover backwards for a few
sols, a technique that has helped in similar situations in the past,
apparently by redistributing lubricant in the wheel. Opportunity's major
destination is Endeavour Crater, about 22 kilometers (14 miles) in
diameter and still about 12 kilometers (7 miles) away to the southeast.
Opportunity has been driving south instead of directly toward Endurance,
to swing around an area where loose soil appears deep enough to
potentially entrap the rover.

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena,
manages the Mars Exploration Rovers for the NASA Science Mission
Directorate, Washington. More information about the rovers is at
http://www.nasa.gov/rovers .

Media contact: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
Guy.Webster at jpl.nasa.gov
2009-041


From dave at fallingrocks.com  Thu Mar  5 15:35:37 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:35:37 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Available for Trade & Statesboro on eBay AD
Message-ID: <4CC78103808E480182AA9BCD8BD2684A@meteorroom>

All,

I've updated my AFT page: http://www.fallingrocks.com/trade.htm.

Also, the only piece of the Statesboro main mass which will be available for
sale is here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/FRdc-meteorites-RARE-Statesboro-meteorite-part-slice_W0Q
QitemZ180334318526QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item18033431852
6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318.

Take care, and all best,

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 


From stm at bellsouth.net  Thu Mar  5 16:00:22 2009
From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:00:22 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Available for Trade & Statesboro on eBay AD
In-Reply-To: <4CC78103808E480182AA9BCD8BD2684A@meteorroom>
References: <4CC78103808E480182AA9BCD8BD2684A@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <71077695411147E3A125732D8D2D8506@Platinum2>

Dave,

Great piece!

Also, short URLS seem to work best here in the list:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180334318526

Sean

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Gheesling" <dave at fallingrocks.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:35 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Available for Trade & Statesboro on eBay AD


> All,
>
> I've updated my AFT page: http://www.fallingrocks.com/trade.htm.
>
> Also, the only piece of the Statesboro main mass which will be available 
> for
> sale is here:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/FRdc-meteorites-RARE-Statesboro-meteorite-part-slice_W0Q
> QitemZ180334318526QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item18033431852
> 6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318.
>
> Take care, and all best,
>
> Dave Gheesling
> IMCA #5967
> www.fallingrocks.com
>
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Thu Mar  5 16:05:25 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:05:25 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Available for Trade & Statesboro on eBay AD
In-Reply-To: <71077695411147E3A125732D8D2D8506@Platinum2>
References: <4CC78103808E480182AA9BCD8BD2684A@meteorroom>
	<71077695411147E3A125732D8D2D8506@Platinum2>
Message-ID: <A37A3D307EF74D78AE533E585469FC28@meteorroom>

Thanks, Sean.  You know me...getting ANY URL out there is an epic
achievement ;-)  Thanks much for the tip...
All best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean T. Murray [mailto:stm at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:00 PM
To: dave at fallingrocks.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Available for Trade & Statesboro on eBay AD

Dave,

Great piece!

Also, short URLS seem to work best here in the list:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180334318526

Sean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Gheesling" <dave at fallingrocks.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:35 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Available for Trade & Statesboro on eBay AD


> All,
>
> I've updated my AFT page: http://www.fallingrocks.com/trade.htm.
>
> Also, the only piece of the Statesboro main mass which will be available 
> for
> sale is here:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/FRdc-meteorites-RARE-Statesboro-meteorite-part-slice_W0Q
>
QitemZ180334318526QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item18033431852
> 6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318.
>
> Take care, and all best,
>
> Dave Gheesling
> IMCA #5967
> www.fallingrocks.com
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  5 17:24:17 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:24:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) 4 SIKOTE-ALINS FORSALE
Message-ID: <470106.26781.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi list.My last add of the month.Promise!!I have 4 sikhote-alin meteorites available forsale at .70 per gram.They are 50,113,209,and 225 grams= $35,$79.10,$146.30 and $157.50.All come with free shipping anywhere.Pics of all of them.Offlist please.

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://chicagometeorites.net/">http://chicagometeorites.net/</a>


      

From paul at meteorite.com  Thu Mar  5 17:50:19 2009
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:50:19 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Beaver Harrison Meteorite Value
Message-ID: <49B0572B.1010503@meteorite.com>

Dear List,

We have a University that is trying to place a value on slice of Beaver 
Harrison they received as a donation. If anyone has sold or has 
purchased any Beaver Harrison meteorite and would be willing to share 
the information please contact me off list.

Thank you,

Paul


From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Thu Mar  5 18:11:20 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:11:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <16225720.2824501236294680549.JavaMail.root@mbs5.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html


From element33 at peconic.net  Thu Mar  5 18:34:00 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 00:34:00 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Find a Falling Star for $35
References: <310348.59077.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<071501c99dbc$2e019d40$bafb3251@Inspiron8200>
	<F704CEEA1328487F9719BC28E8A520F9@StarmanPC>
Message-ID: <00ae01c99dea$dd4737f0$2af83251@Inspiron8200>

Thanks for the information Al !

A bit overwhelmed by infos lately... 2 weeks of intense websearching at 
spare time.
I need to get to the digestion/fermentation mode :)
Definitely a book I will buy, but in better condition.

I have started reading on Nininger on the ASU site but will continue with 
your link.
I am really getting hooked with meteorites: history, facts, beauty etc... 
etc...

Talk to you soon
Michael Bross

PS: do I really have to send messages to the list in "Text only" format ?
The "Rich text" doesn't seem to work.



Hi Michael,

First welcome to the list. Glad to see another affectionado here.

Being a Nininger fan I think I can answer your question. First meteorite
books are not printed in very large numbers. They tend to cost more to begin
with. Nininger is considered by many the father of American Meteoritics and
brought about a new way of finding them, researching them. Most of these
books are grabbed up by the many new collectors coming into the hobby and
are stanard meteorite information in most collectors libraries. Some
Nininger books can fetch several hundred dollars when sold as they are a
collectable in their own rights. Books with his signiture are more sought
after.

The book is worth buying at the $35 price. Warning though, if you read it
you will be hooked on meteorites and meteorite hunting. It will give you
great insight of what a hunter goes through. Find a Fallen Star is a self
biography by Nininger himself.

You should also subscribe to Meteorite Magazine which will help you with the
hobby. Next issue will be one worth reading.

You can also go to this website for more information on Nininger and
meteorites.

http://www.meteorite.com/nininger/

Hope you have a great time enjoying this wonderful hobby.

--AL Mitterling 




From element33 at peconic.net  Thu Mar  5 20:09:57 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 02:09:57 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST- A challenge to the hunters of The
	WestMeteorite! & THANKS TO MICHAEL JOHNSON
References: <379CCE97-DED4-465E-8D85-C96A465842A6@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <01ec01c99df8$440f6680$2af83251@Inspiron8200>

Hello Michael
( a lot of Michael on this list... and now one more with me :))

Fully agree with you, it was great to follow the West hunt with the photos
from Michael Johnson.
It was very nice of you to give him a meteorite.

One of these days...I might join you for a "hunt" :)

All the best
Michael Bross (from France)
PS: I enjoy your Bio on your EBay site :)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cottingham" <mikewren at gilanet.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:09 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST- A challenge to the hunters of The 
WestMeteorite! & THANKS TO MICHAEL JOHNSON


> Hello,
>
> I am still trying to get the time to post some of my photos of my West 
> Keepers to Michael Johnson. Which got me thinking about the enjoyment  of 
> his site and all of those wonderful photos which have kept us all 
> connected on The West Meteorite Fall.
> I decided to send Michael Johnson a piece of West, a small part slice  and 
> a newspaper with a story about the fall.  I would ask a few of the  more 
> lucky hunters to maybe share a piece with Michael Johnson, if you  can. I 
> know it really is a lot to ask, but his site really was awesome  and on 
> the top of the excitement and tempo of the West Fall. If not  for his 
> posting of all the wonderful photos, we would not have had  this event 
> shine like it has. His work was simply a new turning point  in meteorite 
> hunting and field reporting-visually speaking.
>
> THANKS MICHAEL JOHNSON.
>
> Send Him Some Meteorites, please, at the least a BIG LIST THANK YOU!
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Michael Cottingham 




From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Thu Mar  5 20:50:32 2009
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:50:32 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hopper
References: <204437.70537.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002701c99dfd$f0122ee0$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Hello all-

It was a steak

....and a half rack of baby back ribs, and brisket, and cinnamon rolls.

No photos, just a happy dog

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hopper


>
> Hi all -
>
> Rob, I am curious, Did Hopper get a steak or a steak bone? Any pictures of 
> him chowing down?
>
> Ed "E.P." Grondine
>
>
>
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From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  6 02:41:43 2009
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 23:41:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Another meteorite dog for those that are interested
Message-ID: <930596.29088.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Dear List,
  I found this dated article about Tamarid the Dog and have posted it to:
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/
  I don`t think that Tamarid has proven any life on Mars but the dog can find pond scum.
  Best regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
http://www.meteoritesjapan.com
http://www.insekijapan.com

From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  6 04:40:48 2009
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 01:40:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Parry Sound,
	Ontario meteor 5MAR08 any updates on meteorite recovery?
Message-ID: <122276.8072.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Dear List,
  Does anyone have any updates about the Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada meteor of 5 March 2008, one year ago?  I have posted an article and photo for those that are interested:

http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2009/03/parry-sound-ontario-canada-meteor-of.html

Best regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Fri Mar  6 07:08:58 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:08:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 6, 2009
Message-ID: <19336750.4831236341338921.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_6_2009.html

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Fri Mar  6 07:09:14 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:09:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <6356268.4861236341354048.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html


From zneutronz at aol.com  Fri Mar  6 06:40:56 2009
From: zneutronz at aol.com (zneutronz at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 06:40:56 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 4483
Message-ID: <8CB6C678BE40453-4F4-E18@mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com>

hello list !

last specimen available :

NWA 4483, Lunar granulitic, End cut, 5.612g

only 550$/g   !!!!!

regards, oliver

imca#6131
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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  6 08:41:15 2009
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 05:41:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Waco Tribune and News West Newspapers
Message-ID: <62835.99484.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi all, 
I been getting a lot of requests for these two papers. I only have a few of the Waco tribune articles. However, they can be purchased on-line here.

http://www.wacotrib.com/services/content/services/archives.html?cxntlid=navbar

Cost is about $6.00 including shipping

The dates you'll want are Feb, 19Th (Mike Farmer and Crew) and Feb 26Th (Meteorite Hunters anger Farmers.. or something like that)

As for the Hopper story it is only in the "West News" and I have no idea how to get that one except go to West. I have about 20 copies but probably am not interested in selling any as I'll more than likely save them for fellow hunters that are also named in the story - Steve Arnold, Sonny Clary, Rob Wesel and Myself, etc...

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


      

From waltbranch at birch.net  Fri Mar  6 09:21:51 2009
From: waltbranch at birch.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:21:51 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Fall
References: <62835.99484.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4384C41C806942F0B97B4BF132A54F35@walterdesktop>

Hello Everyone,

I have been following the new Texas fall with interest.  Thanks to every one 
provided video, pictures, and comments.  Hunting meteorites souds like fun 
:-)

I wish I were in a position to drop everyting and leave to go hunting but at 
least I can experience it vicariuos through the list.

-Walter Branch 


From mlangen at execpc.com  Fri Mar  6 09:57:25 2009
From: mlangen at execpc.com (Mark Langenfeld)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:57:25 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Parry Sound,
	Ontario meteor 5MAR08 any updates on meteorite recovery?
References: <122276.8072.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7F9BBF5D5F304B85BC9F3D8FCB067D70@D5KDJZ51>

Dirk:

While I have heard nothing further, the linked maps suggest whatever 
survived may have splashed into Georgian Bay.

Mark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drtanuki" <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 3:40 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Parry Sound,Ontario meteor 5MAR08 any updates on 
meteorite recovery?


>
> Dear List,
>  Does anyone have any updates about the Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada 
> meteor of 5 March 2008, one year ago?  I have posted an article and photo 
> for those that are interested:
>
> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2009/03/parry-sound-ontario-canada-meteor-of.html
>
> Best regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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From wahlperry at aol.com  Fri Mar  6 14:12:26 2009
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:12:26 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Texas meteorites for sale!
Message-ID: <8CB6CA69EE4906E-12A4-12D6@WEBMAIL-MA18.sysops.aol.com>

Hi All,

I have Just returned home from West Texas. I will be offering a couple 
of the meteorites for sale. The meteorites are 100% fully crusted. 
email off list for prices.

#1- 3.9 grams with a small iron flake showing on one edge.

#2- 5.3 gram .

#3- 9.5 gram piece with a small flake of iron showing .

Thanks,
Sonny




From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Fri Mar  6 16:14:00 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:14:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - MICHAEL COTTINGHAM
	DONATION
Message-ID: <30577734.69181236374040088.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

Dear list members,

I just posted a photo of the West meteorite that Michael Cottingham donated to me.
A beautiful fresh slice with crust along with the news paper.
THANKS MICHAEL!!!!  ; )

Would also like to thank everyone that took the time to send photos to me so that we could share them with the meteorite community!

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html

________________

Michael Johnson
http://www.spacerocksinc.com

From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  6 17:30:07 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:30:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] west,texas
Message-ID: <937779.83101.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Good evening list.It seems true for the people who got to west,texas first,the early bird does get the meteorite.I received my 18 gram west,texas stone today.It looks nicer than the 7 gram piece.The bottom is flat.The crust is shiny and bubbly.This looks nicer than chergach and berduc.I got this piece from greg hupe.He found this 2/22.An outstanding piece.If none of you do not have this,you better get some.The 3 to 5 kilo TKW range that was talked about could hold true.
?
Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://chicagometeorites.net/">http://chicagometeorites.net/</a>


      

From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Fri Mar  6 17:32:15 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:32:15 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] west,texas
Message-ID: <383751045-1236378751-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-285611324-@bxe1261.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I'll give you 10/g for it!

------Original Message------
From: steve arnold
Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] west,texas
Sent: Mar 6, 2009 3:30 PM


Good evening list.It seems true for the people who got to west,texas first,the early bird does get the meteorite.I received my 18 gram west,texas stone today.It looks nicer than the 7 gram piece.The bottom is flat.The crust is shiny and bubbly.This looks nicer than chergach and berduc.I got this piece from greg hupe.He found this 2/22.An outstanding piece.If none of you do not have this,you better get some.The 3 to 5 kilo TKW range that was talked about could hold true.
?
Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://chicagometeorites.net/">http://chicagometeorites.net/</a>


      
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Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Mar  6 17:32:58 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:32:58 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] west,texas
In-Reply-To: <937779.83101.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <937779.83101.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8393r4lvhl44spp0ur8idfs3g0bs0553f5@4ax.com>

On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:30:07 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>
>Good evening list.It seems true for the people who got to west,texas first,the early bird does get the meteorite.

Or you could argue that, in being early buyers of new meteorites, the early worm
get eaten.

From qwalkra at mailbox.ezadsl.net.au  Fri Mar  6 18:48:37 2009
From: qwalkra at mailbox.ezadsl.net.au (Bob WALKER)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 09:48:37 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] can any listoids assist me with an email for
	Christian Anger
Message-ID: <C50322C210F8409793E120C5A4B87885@your0a700f0aaf>

Listoids

I'd appreciate email details for Christian Anger so I can email him

Thank you
http://www.qmig.org

p.s. lots of updates at my website soon

From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Fri Mar  6 18:59:01 2009
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:59:01 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] TISHKA WANTED - complete stone
Message-ID: <003301c99eb7$8612e9c0$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Any wholesalers out there with a complete stone?

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971



From element33 at peconic.net  Fri Mar  6 19:01:27 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 01:01:27 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Parry Sound,
	Ontario meteor 5MAR08 any updates on meteorite recovery?
References: <122276.8072.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<7F9BBF5D5F304B85BC9F3D8FCB067D70@D5KDJZ51>
Message-ID: <058c01c99eb7$dd749a60$d9e03151@Inspiron8200>

> While I have heard nothing further, the linked maps suggest whatever 
> survived may have splashed into Georgian Bay.
> Mark

Hello List

This makes me rebound on questions I had prepared for the list

- do you know of any occurrence of a meteorite found on a beach, coming from 
the ocean ?
- if not, why ? Are they not looked for ? Or are they just not "expectable" 
?

I lived many years on Long Island (NY) and remember especially the mid 90s 
with amazing tides:
El Nino + Equinox tides bringing ashore from the near coastal depths, 
shells, beautiful weathered
glass pieces, stones, that we usually didn't see.
We found a 200 years old small snail like shell at Nino time. Just lying on 
the beach.
Not counting old amazing Horseshoe crab shells...

There was also the magnificent and powerful Leonid shower from 1997 (or 
1996?)
... some meteorites must have gone to the ocean, no ?

I am just very curious about this.
Off course the found meteorites would certainly be weathered, rounded etc... 
by their
stay in the salty and rough ocean... but knowing that the undersea plateau 
is wide and
long and that tides can bring up elements from this plateau floors... well, 
there might be
some meteorites in it...
Or am I totally nut to think that way ?

And this would count for most of all coastal areas in the world.

Cheers
Michael Bross 




From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Fri Mar  6 20:07:44 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 1:07:44 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Parry Sound,
 Ontario meteor 5MAR08 any updates on meteorite recovery?
In-Reply-To: <058c01c99eb7$dd749a60$d9e03151@Inspiron8200>
Message-ID: <20090307010744.IG49F.931149.root@web01-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Michael,

I have a small meteorite fragment from a fall in 2003 that was found within yards of a beach just weeks after. It had already deteriorated very badly because of the salty wet atmosphere. Pieces from further inland showed hardly any weathering...so I suspect that any meteorite containing nickel/iron (and most do) would not last long in salt water unless it was very large, and then it would also be less likely to be washed up. I think micro meteorite samples have however been recovered from sea sediments....but they are not likely to have iron in I suspect.

The regular meteor showers such as the Leonids have never had any confirmed/associated meteorites attached to them as far as I know as they are from dust trails we pass through (too small to survive). Many people have tried to look at the frequency of these showers and link them with meteorites with no definite success.

Hope that helps...I do not know of any meteorite that has been recorded being washed up on the beach...anybody else on the list know?

Graham Ensor, UK


---- Michael Bross <element33 at peconic.net> wrote: 
> > While I have heard nothing further, the linked maps suggest whatever 
> > survived may have splashed into Georgian Bay.
> > Mark
> 
> Hello List
> 
> This makes me rebound on questions I had prepared for the list
> 
> - do you know of any occurrence of a meteorite found on a beach, coming from 
> the ocean ?
> - if not, why ? Are they not looked for ? Or are they just not "expectable" 
> ?
> 
> I lived many years on Long Island (NY) and remember especially the mid 90s 
> with amazing tides:
> El Nino + Equinox tides bringing ashore from the near coastal depths, 
> shells, beautiful weathered
> glass pieces, stones, that we usually didn't see.
> We found a 200 years old small snail like shell at Nino time. Just lying on 
> the beach.
> Not counting old amazing Horseshoe crab shells...
> 
> There was also the magnificent and powerful Leonid shower from 1997 (or 
> 1996?)
> ... some meteorites must have gone to the ocean, no ?
> 
> I am just very curious about this.
> Off course the found meteorites would certainly be weathered, rounded etc... 
> by their
> stay in the salty and rough ocean... but knowing that the undersea plateau 
> is wide and
> long and that tides can bring up elements from this plateau floors... well, 
> there might be
> some meteorites in it...
> Or am I totally nut to think that way ?
> 
> And this would count for most of all coastal areas in the world.
> 
> Cheers
> Michael Bross 
> 
> 
> 
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Fri Mar  6 20:12:34 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:12:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hey-How About those total weights from West-Anyone
	keeping track????
Message-ID: <0AA569C7-940F-45A2-BC6F-2A4CEC69FCA5@gilanet.com>

Hello,

How about those total weights from West? Where do we stand?

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  6 20:58:46 2009
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:58:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] A few more West specimens for sale
Message-ID: <884900.9485.qm@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi all,
A friend in West, Texas just sent me a few specimens to sell.
Email or call for prices 623-262-7035

Hurry they go fast.
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/westmeteoritesforsale.htm



Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


      

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Mar  6 21:01:23 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:01:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Could Life on Earth Have Come From Ceres?
Message-ID: <200903070201.SAA11612@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://astrobio.net/news/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3058&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Could Life on Earth Have Come From Ceres?
Astrobiology Magazine

Summary (Mar 05, 2009): The dwarf planet Ceres is rarely mentioned as a
candidate for habitability, but the possible presence of an ocean and
hydrothermal vents suggests it is plausible. If life developed on Ceres
long ago, could it have seeded the young Earth?

Could Life on Earth Have Come From Ceres?
By Lee Pullen 

Astrobiologists hope to find life elsewhere in the universe, or possibly
even in our own cosmic neighborhood, the solar system. Their efforts are
usually concentrated on worlds such as the planet Mars, or icy moons
like Europa. However, there are other, less conventional locations in
the solar system where scientists think life may be found.

Ceres: an unusual choice

At the International Society for the Study of the Origin of Life
conference in Florence, Italy, Joop Houtkooper from the University of
Giessen divulged a theory that life could have originated on an object
in the asteroid belt named Ceres

Ceres was considered to be a planet when it was discovered in 1801, but
it was later downgraded to asteroid status. With the latest planet
definition from the International Astronomical Union, the round object
is now considered a dwarf planet. Is there a chance that this exotic
world is home to extraterrestrial organisms?

"This idea came to me when I heard a talk about all the satellites in
the solar system that consist of a large part of ice, much of which is
probably still in a liquid state," says Houtkooper. "The total volume of
all this water is something like 40 times greater than all the oceans on
Earth."

This reminded Houtkooper of a theory about how life originated.
Organisms may have first developed around hydrothermal vents,
which lie at the bottom of oceans and spew hot chemicals. Many icy
bodies in our solar system have rocky cores, so they may have had or
still have hydrothermal vents. Houtkooper realized, "if life is not
unique to the Earth and could exist elsewhere, then these icy bodies are
the places where life may have originated."

Looking at the evidence

Early in the history of the solar system was a period known as Late
Heavy Bombardment, a turbulent time when cataclysmic asteroid impacts 
were common. If there was life on Earth before this dangerous era, it was 
most likely eradicated and had to begin again after much of this cosmic 
debris had cleared out of the inner solar system. Interestingly, evidence 
indicates that Ceres avoided being pummelled by devastating impacts during 
this time. If it had been bombarded, it would have completely and forever
lost its water mantle, as its gravitational force is too weak to
recapture it. This is probably what happened to the asteroid Vesta,
which has a very large impact crater and no water.

"The evidence points to Ceres having remained relatively unscathed
during the Late Heavy Bombardment," states Houtkooper. He says this
means Ceres still could have "a water ocean where life could have
originated early in the history of the solar system."

This leads to an interesting hypothesis. If the Earth was sterilized by
colossal impacts, but Ceres hosted life which survived, could the dwarf
planet have reseeded our world with life, via rock fragments that
chipped off Ceres and then crashed into Earth? Are all organisms on
Earth, including humans, descendants of Ceres? This is an idea that
Houtkooper had to pursue.

"I looked at the different solar system bodies which either had or
currently have oceans," he explains. "The planet Venus probably had an
ocean early in its history, but the planet's greater mass means that
more force is needed to chip off a piece of the planetary crust and
propel it in the direction of the Earth. Smaller objects like Ceres have
lower escape velocities, making it easier for parts of it to be separated."

Houtkooper then calculated the orbital paths of candidate planets, moons
and asteroids to see which were in the best positions to have pieces
successfully reach the Earth, without being intercepted by other
objects. Ceres fared favourably in these calculations.

Life on Ceres

Finally, Houtkooper considered the possibility of organisms still being
present on Ceres. "In the ocean, there could be life," he suggests. "On
the surface, it would be more difficult. But there are some
possibilities. There could be hydrogen peroxide-based life,
able to withstand the low temperatures." It's not currently known
whether hydrogen peroxide is present on Ceres, but nothing rules it out,
either.

The thought of Earth being seeded with life from Ceres and creatures
existing there today is certainly fascinating, but Houtkooper admits
that it is more science fiction than science fact until evidence can be
provided. This is naturally difficult to obtain, as Ceres is a small and
distant world. Even the best current images contain very little detail,
and just show that there are some surface features; what these features
are exactly is a mystery. Spectral analyses indicate the presence of
clay-like minerals, and Ceres? slightly flattened shape is what we would
expect from a world with a rocky core below a layer of water or ice.
Ceres is a dwarf planet with many secrets.

Fortunately, this will soon change thanks to NASA's DAWN mission.
Launched in 2007, the probe is due to arrive at Ceres in 2015. Once
there it will shed light on the mysterious world, and perhaps take
photographs of geysers of water erupting from the surface. Its close-up
view could indicate whether Ceres really does have the potential for life.

------------------------------------------------------------------------


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Mar  6 21:05:48 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:05:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: March 2-6, 2009
Message-ID: <200903070205.SAA13023@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
March 2-6, 2009

o Landslids (Released 02 March 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090302a

o Herschel Dunes (Released 03 March 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090303a

o Gigas Sulci (Released 04 March 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090304a

o Candor Chasma (Released 05 March 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090305a

o Windstreak (Released 06 March 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090306a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  6 21:42:05 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:42:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] More nonsense from Mars Nuts
Message-ID: <900571.44297.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi Dirk, all - 

What the hell is wrong with these Mars Nuts? The Back Contamination hazard  never seems to penetrate their fantasies.

Here's an idea: As its going to take many years of effort to clear the Back Contamination hurdle, why don't we build CAPS in the meantime?

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas

"The scientists now believe the combined data warrant a manned mission to Mars to retrieve further samples.
"The results indicate very strongly that life was once there and... that life might still be there," Taylor said. "When we say life, we're talking about bacteria, single cell primitive life forms, like we have here on Earth."
"It'd be underground, we'd have to drill down, so these little rovers that are crawling all over the surface would never find it."
Two US-backed rovers are now exploring the red plant and transmitting unprecedented images of the barren landscape, but may achieve little else.


      

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  6 23:25:08 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:25:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.31.1236358854.93556.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <430909.49629.qm@web58401.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi Listees!

I was one of the lucky few to pounce on Michael Cottingham's recent
eBay offerings of West.  I kept a couple of fragments for myself,
and I need to unload the rest.  I have 4 micromounts of West
available, and a copy of the West News from February 26th with
Doug Dawn and the meteor story on the front page.  

The four West micromounts come in a glass vial, which is then 
inside a labelled 1.25" gemjar.  Also included is a copy of the
original specimen card.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/west-1.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/west-2.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/LATEST/west-micros.jpg

Refer to the photos.  Two of the photos show the original lot of
fragments I bought and the West Newspaper.  A third photo shows
the individual micromounts I am selling.

Here are the weights for the micros -

1) 23mg (shows metal fleck)
2) 17mg (with some black crust)
3) 12mg (virgin gray matrix, no visible oxidation)
4) 10mg of tiny fragments and dust. (a few metal flecks)

Asking $10 each, which includes shipping to anywhere in the CONUS.
Overseas and Canada are $12 shipped, each.

PayPal preferred, and PayPal only for Canadian or Overseas buyers.

The West News is complete and in excellent condition with a single
crease from being folded.  The meteorite story continues on the
inside.  Asking $20 shipped in a Priority Envelope in the CONUS,
and $26 Canada or Overseas.  Buyer the newspaper with one of
the micromounts above and get both for $25 shipped. ($30 Canada/Overseas)

I also have the following micromounts for $5 each. (or $7 as marked)

Pallasovka - 11 grams of weathered fragments and olivine pieces.  Asking $10.
Tulia(a) - 200mg - 3 fragments
Carancas - 90mg of tiny fragments and dust.
Forestburg(a) - 159mg of fragments and dust
NWA 4439 (Carbonaceous CO3.3) - 141mg of small fragments.
Holbrook - 274mg of tiny fragments and dust.
NWA 2634 (Ureilite) - 32mg of small fragments.
Brenham - 281mg of weathered fragments and olivine pieces.
Travis County(b) - 331mg of small fragments.
Dawn(a) - 578mg - small endcut.
Cape York - 127mg of oxidized shale fragments.
Tulia(b) - 138mg of tiny fragments and dust.
Murchison (Carbonaceous CM2) - 25mg of small fragments. Asking $7

Contact me offlist to order or inquire - mike at galactic-stone.com

Thanks for looking and clear skies! :)

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................



      

From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  7 00:20:12 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:20:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Find a Falling Star for $35
In-Reply-To: <071501c99dbc$2e019d40$bafb3251@Inspiron8200>
Message-ID: <109739.71260.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


Hello Michael(s),

"Find a Falling Star" may be in less demand now days but within the past 10 years it was listed on eBay and sold for as little as $50 and upwards of $225 in the "for what it is worth flashback trivia moment" $35 is consistent with the going low end AEAIK.  Amazon is a broker and so you may find the the very same specific copy by a specific seller listed for different prices on different broker sites. 

If one can find it cheaper, then go for it-- IF content alone is what one is interested in. FAFS is not just a book but remains an obligatory piece of meteorite history and condition does affect value. For ole cantankerous me, I'd be hesitant to quibble the semantics of $5 in the whole scheme of things, especially when arriving to stake out my "spot" on the list under the premise of Snipe not lest ye be sniped.  

Heck!  lets do quibble semantics... te he he.  We all know that when we hit "rock bottom" it means all the easy excavating has taken place and there is yet more under the bedrock top and soil bottom( hence the cliche` Rock Bottom)  Whilst more may be found under rock bottom, the easy to locate has pretty much been exhausted. This is to illustrate that a rock bottom price is the lowest practical price and not necessarily the absolute low price.

Welcome to the List!

 Elton

--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Michael Bross <element33 at peconic.net> wrote:

> From: Michael Bross <element33 at peconic.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Find a Falling Star for $35
> To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:59 PM
> hello Mike and list members
> 
> I am new to this list and will present myself soon (waiting
> for the West craze to cool down :))
> Being a new meteorite passionate, I am interested in this
> book. Doing a quick search, Amazon seems to offer that same book
> (@ $33.98) with same description: lots of marks and wear, published in 1976.
> http://www.amazon.com/Find-Falling-Star-H-Nininger/dp/083972229X
> 
> Not being an original edition (1972), why do you say the
> price is rock bottom ?
> On Amazon they have about 10 books starting at $ 28 and
> collectibles for $200-300
> 
> Please, don't take this email as aggressive, I am just
> trying to get more information.
> 
> Thanks !
> Great day to everyone
> 
> Michael Bross

>   Hi List!
>  I was browsing the used book titles at Barnes and Noble
> online,and I noticed they have a copy of Nininger's Find a
> Falling Star for only $33 plus ship.  It's an ex-library book, and
> the condition might not be great, but the price is rock bottom.
> 
<http://search.barnesandnoble.c/used/product.asp?EAN=2692675820359&Itm=1>
> 
>  I'm not currently in the market (wife would kill me),
> but I thought someone else here might want in on this bargain.
> 
>  Clear skies!
> 
>  MikeG 

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Sat Mar  7 09:29:51 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 06:29:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 7, 2009
Message-ID: <26000510.118241236436191764.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_7_2009.html


From waltbranch at bellsouth.net  Sat Mar  7 08:58:10 2009
From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 08:58:10 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Find a Falling Star for $35
References: <109739.71260.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7E2D73B42B0B49198842EA6E32581974@Walter>

Hello Michael,

About 7 or 8 years ago, I used to buy many copies from bookdealer Johnny 
Hahn (hope the spelling is right and the name for that matter) for $20.00 
apiece - new softcover copies.  I sold them for about that much.  Most 
recently I bought a copy from Ed Thompson for $50.00 - new softcover.  Well 
worth it.  Contact Ed (he is a list member) to inquire if he has more.

It is a great book, one that you will (re)read many times.  I have.

I would also like welcome you the the Meteoite List!

-Walter Branch 


From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Sat Mar  7 09:28:22 2009
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:28:22 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Very rare IRONS!
Message-ID: <871799a20903070628l61398824veb782b0bfd1e2c6c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id42.html

I just listed 14 very nice and rare iron meteorites.

They all come from the well known SPACEJEWELS collection:

- Carbo IIC; found in Mexico 1923, part slice 180.05 g

- Djebel in Azzene IIIAB; found in Algeria in 1990; part slice 27.75 g

- Bur-Abor IIIAB; found in Kenya in 1997; part slice 22.45 g

- Chihuahua City IC anom; found in Mexico in 1929; part slice 36.29 g

- Cleburne IVA; found in Texas in 1907; full slice 59.50 g

- El Capitan IIIAB; found in New Mexico in 1893; part slice 7.15 g

- Fairfield IAB; found in Ohio in 1974; part slice 12.73 g

- Fuzzy Creek IVA anom; found in Texas; full slice 33.90 g

- Landes IAB-MG; found in Virginia in 1930; part slice 5.8 g

- Lueders IAB si.; found in Texas in 1973; part slice 27.50 g

- Okahandja IIAB hex.; found in Namibia in 1926; part slice 28.19 g

- Sacramento Mts. IIIAB; found in New Mexico in 1890; full slice 49.96 g

- Tombigbee River IIG; found in Alabama in 1859; part slice 7.2 g

- Warbourton Range IVB atax.; found in Australia 1963; part slice 34.08 g

http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id42.html

I will add a few more next week.

For questions and orders please write to: p.marmet at mysunrise.ch

Thank you,
Peter

Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
IMCA #2747
p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/
ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9

From almitt at kconline.com  Sat Mar  7 10:07:50 2009
From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitterling)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 10:07:50 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Very rare IRONS!
In-Reply-To: <871799a20903070628l61398824veb782b0bfd1e2c6c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <871799a20903070628l61398824veb782b0bfd1e2c6c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABF28F3D0254B75952890D1BC3E7E2F@StarmanPC>

Greetings Peter and all,

Super nice specmens! Well worth a look.

--AL Mitterling


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Marmet" <p.marmet at sunrise.ch>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:28 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Very rare IRONS!


> Hello All,
> 
> http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id42.html
> 
> I just listed 14 very nice and rare iron meteorites.
> 
> They all come from the well known SPACEJEWELS collection:
> 
> - Carbo IIC; found in Mexico 1923, part slice 180.05 g
> 
> - Djebel in Azzene IIIAB; found in Algeria in 1990; part slice 27.75 g
> 
> - Bur-Abor IIIAB; found in Kenya in 1997; part slice 22.45 g
> 
> - Chihuahua City IC anom; found in Mexico in 1929; part slice 36.29 g
> 
> - Cleburne IVA; found in Texas in 1907; full slice 59.50 g
> 
> - El Capitan IIIAB; found in New Mexico in 1893; part slice 7.15 g
> 
> - Fairfield IAB; found in Ohio in 1974; part slice 12.73 g
> 
> - Fuzzy Creek IVA anom; found in Texas; full slice 33.90 g
> 
> - Landes IAB-MG; found in Virginia in 1930; part slice 5.8 g
> 
> - Lueders IAB si.; found in Texas in 1973; part slice 27.50 g
> 
> - Okahandja IIAB hex.; found in Namibia in 1926; part slice 28.19 g
> 
> - Sacramento Mts. IIIAB; found in New Mexico in 1890; full slice 49.96 g
> 
> - Tombigbee River IIG; found in Alabama in 1859; part slice 7.2 g
> 
> - Warbourton Range IVB atax.; found in Australia 1963; part slice 34.08 g
> 
> http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id42.html
> 
> I will add a few more next week.
> 
> For questions and orders please write to: p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
> 
> Thank you,
> Peter
> 
> Peter Marmet
> Bern, Switzerland
> IMCA #2747
> p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
> http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/
> ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
>

From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Sat Mar  7 11:52:40 2009
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 08:52:40 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thank you West Texas!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.14.1236403213.49165.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.14.1236403213.49165.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <49B2A658.80004@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi All,

We're back from West Texas now and after letting things slow down a bit 
and catching up on some much needed work I've finally got a moment to 
post some photos. I'd like to thank all you guys out there in meteorite 
land. My good friends, Mike Miller & Ruben Garcia (finally got to meet 
you Ruben after talking on the phone for 2 years!) Without you guys' 
help this trip might not have been a success.

A big hello and thank you also go out to our new friends Michael 
Cottingham and Christopher Cottingham for his first finds, 
congratulations to Christopher for his gorgeous 44 gram oriented West 
meteorite. It was a pleasure to be there to see it happen. And to Keith 
and Dana Jenkerson, we appreciate the advice! Jim Baxter, I didn't 
forget you... It was very good to meet you Jim!

I certainly can't forget Mike Farmer, Robert Ward, Shauna Russell, Greg 
Hupe, and their crew for their generosity in sharing the information. It 
was good to meet all you guys finally. A big hello also to Steve Arnold 
& Geoff Notkin. It was good to finally meet you Steve, I have a new 
found respect for you now. And to Geoff, glad to meet you again, this 
time in the field. Too bad we didn't get a chance to talk a bit.

I also want to thank all the people of West Texas for their Texas sized 
hearts and their overwhelming generosity. If it weren't for your 
hospitality the scientists and hunters wouldn't have had the opportunity 
to collect as many specimens and the meteorites would be plowed over or 
rotted away never to be seen again. Not only did you help us collect 
meteorites, you helped further science and the knowledge of our 
universe! I thank you very much for your kindness, and the meteorite 
world thanks you, sincerely.

As for Hopper, the meteorite finding dog... ;) Well all I can say is I 
have to chuckle a bit!. We got to spend two days with Hopper. No photos 
of the dog but I did somehow manage to get on the news in the Hopper 
segment New 8 Austin filmed. I'm only in the opening scenes but it was 
kind of exciting to see yourself on TV. Weird feeling really. Hopper 
liked everyone, well, everyone that might have food! She also loved to 
mess with the cows.

My first experience with Hopper was startling. Literally! I was out in 
the middle of a field minding my own meteorite hunting business and all 
of a sudden out of the middle of nowhere as I was staring at the ground 
searching intently for the elusive West Texas meteorite this black furry 
creature runs up to me and I about jump out of my boots!

You have to picture this, I'm concentrating so hard on the ground at 
finding a meteorite that I'm oblivious to my surroundings and out of 
nowhere a black hairy thing comes walking up within inches of my leg and 
I was staring into the eyes of the beast! ;) lol My heart leapt and I 
had to choke back a little noise. THAT was MY first experience with 
Hopper! Sweet dog really?

Another little tidbit of info for all you guys that went Gaa Gaa over 
Hopper. Since we did get a chance to hunt for two days with Hopper 
running around and frolicking in the fields of West Texas, we got to see 
a side of Hopper most didn?t have the good fortune to witness. They 
certainly experienced it, even if it was unknowingly. Dogs will be dogs, 
and we all know dogs like stinky stuff. Really stinky stuff! And what do 
dogs do when they find stinky stuff? That?s right, they roll in it!

Hopper came up to me and played and right off I noticed how nice a dog 
she was. She was so friendly she would walk up to anyone. I petted her 
and played a little with her in the field and went back to hunting. Then 
a couple hours later, I witnessed her rolling around on the ground about 
20 feet or so away, and when I walked over to see what was going on, 
that?s when I noticed the nice big, ugly and very dead raccoon Hopper 
was rolling around in. Eew, Yuck! I promptly washed my hands. I tried to 
warn everyone I saw, but they were so caught up they didn?t care. You 
know the old saying ?you don?t know where that?s been.? Well?

This in no way detracts from her meteorite hunting prowess, or her 
awesome personality! Hopper is a great dog. I wish I had a meteorite 
hunting dog like her. She was super and deserves every steak she?s fed. 
She truly is a one of a kind dog. She does need a bath though.
OK, OK? I know you guys are wanting to see some photos so here they are?

I was fortunate enough to find one stone. It?s not much but it made the 
trip all that more rewarding, and 10, 20, or 50 years from now I can say 
Feb 25th 2009 I went, hunted, and found a piece of the West Texas 
meteorite fall. A witnessed fall, and my first chased meteorite fall 
expedition.

PHOTOS: http://www.meteoritesusa.com/west-texas-meteorite.htm

We hunted all over West, and had help from some of the best hunters in 
the business, but it comes down to being able to spot them on the 
ground, and there's no substitute for experience in the field. It takes 
some luck, but mostly it's skill and certainly I needed more experience 
in the field. A good friend of mine says he makes his own luck, and he's 
surely one to listen to, as he seems to have a knack for finding main 
masses. First you need to know where to look in the first place, and 
then in knowing how to spot the meteorites on the ground. And from my 
experience and the discussions I've had with most hunters out there, 
this was not an easy one to hunt and I should count myself lucky I found 
even one piece. I do, and I am grateful for the help and excited I found 
one. I will not sell it, I might cut a piece off to sell, but the main 
piece goes in my small collection of first finds.

It was a wonderful experience to go on this trip, and worth every penny. 
I am proud to have gone out and braved the West. We met some great 
people, made some new friends, and had the priveledge to hunt with 
veteran hunters from all over. This is truly a great meteorite, and a 
trip to remember.

Thank you all...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA

From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Sat Mar  7 12:03:39 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Sat,  7 Mar 2009 09:03:39 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Waco Tribune Letter to the Editor
Message-ID: <20090307090339.tmf8zla4m8kk0coc@webmail.mhmeteorites.com>

Hi All:
I wrote a small letter to the editor of the Waco Tribune that was  
actually printed. Basically, it was in response to a not-so-flattering  
article that was printed in the February 26th edition.

<http://www.wacotrib.com/opin/content/news/opinion/stories/2009/03/07/03072009wacletters1.html>

Best,
matt

From wahlperry at aol.com  Sat Mar  7 12:07:36 2009
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 12:07:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Waco Tribune Letter to the Editor
In-Reply-To: <20090307090339.tmf8zla4m8kk0coc@webmail.mhmeteorites.com>
References: <20090307090339.tmf8zla4m8kk0coc@webmail.mhmeteorites.com>
Message-ID: <8CB6D5E5944B3DE-12A4-35EB@WEBMAIL-MA18.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Matt,

Way to go, Nice letter!


Sonny



-----Original Message-----
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 9:03 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Waco Tribune Letter to the Editor






Hi All:?

I wrote a small letter to the editor of the Waco Tribune that was 
actually printed. Basically, it was in response to a not-so-flattering 
article that was printed in the February 26th edition.?
?

<http://www.wacotrib.com/opin/content/news/opinion/stories/2009/03/07/030
72009wacletters1.html>?
?

Best,?

matt?

______________________________________________?

http://www.meteoritecentral.com?

Meteorite-list mailing list?

Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com?

http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list?







From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Mar  7 14:15:17 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:15:17 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Article and video on West
In-Reply-To: <109739.71260.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <071501c99dbc$2e019d40$bafb3251@Inspiron8200>
	<109739.71260.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <smh5r45418np952pnl5o109i3d9v7v5kkk@4ax.com>

http://kdrv.com/page/96362

The movie about it seems to have taken some artistic licence with the details:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njP6YczRgsA

From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com  Sat Mar  7 14:28:24 2009
From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:28:24 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] NYT The Lure Of Rocks From Space
Message-ID: <7A859557149647998BE82A2807367B68@ET>

Hello everybody:

In today's NYT, in the opinion section is an interesting 
commentary/discussion on asteroids and the possibility of them impacting the 
earth.  It was posted yesterday.

Phil Whitmer 


From catoni52 at sympatico.ca  Sat Mar  7 16:32:39 2009
From: catoni52 at sympatico.ca (catoni52 at sympatico.ca)
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:32:39 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Texas Meteorite Hunt - Question
Message-ID: <COL0-F3AFB3CCD618D1C4BF8EA5A8A20@phx.gbl>


  Greetings All:
                       Some questions that I have is:

   What kind of deal does one make with the land-owner?
   A split of the finds between land-owner and searcher? By weight?
   A simple payment of so many dollars for permission to search?
   Do you have some sort of document for both to sign?

   In most cases do you get fairly easy permission and the land-owners are 
usually friendly?

   Best wishes to all, and clear skies.

   Rob Williamson



From tiapplebaum at gmail.com  Sat Mar  7 18:47:57 2009
From: tiapplebaum at gmail.com (teddy applebaum)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:47:57 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some West totals and estimates
Message-ID: <4d1cd8d0903071547s28daaa2aq4ab52df7e2ff0b87@mail.gmail.com>

Hi list,

I spent a little time scouring the web for West totals and came up
with the following numbers. Numbers in parentheses are individual
stone weights when known.

Rob Wesel: 9 stones, total: 255 g
Ruben Garcia: 15 stones? total: unknown  (12.6g)
Patrick Thompson: 15 stones total: unknown
Mike Bandli: 6 stones, total:  53.715g
Micheal Cottingham: 18 stones, total: 286g
Micheal Farmer: 23 stones, total: 531.6
Greg Hupe: at least 1 stone, total: unknown (50g)
Eric Wichman: 1 stone, total: 6.7 grams
Jim Baxter 5.9g: from mike farmer
Robert Woolard: and son 7 stones, total: 407 grams
James Phillips: 4 stones, total: 36.3
Geoff Notkin: at least 13 stones, total: unknown (18.8g)
Mike Miller: at least 1 stone, total: unknown  (212g)
Del Waterbury: 5 stones totaling: 75.3g     (8g, 5,6g, 5.2g, 5.5g, 51g,)
Mike Morgan: 1 stone total: 13g

Totals: 79 stones with known weights = 1963.915g  + at least 42 other
known stones lacking weights + unknown numbers from these hunters:

Jason Phillips
Jim Schade
Sonny Clary
John Sinclair
Steve Arnold
Shauna Russel
Robert Ward

So far we can be sure that nearly 2 kilos of West have been founf, and
presume that:

The 79 stones with known weights = 1963.915g, which averages out to
24.85g per stone.

At that rate the 42 stones with unknown weights would add another 1042.7g

So my minimum estimate of the West total is 3 kilos, and I?m willing
to bet that 3.5-4 kilos have been found (based on all the hunters with
unreported stone and weight totals) which is somewhat higher then what
most people have been estimating.

Hope this helps ? Teddy A

From waltbranch at bellsouth.net  Sat Mar  7 19:36:00 2009
From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:36:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:  Meteorite Back Issues
Message-ID: <490E79A8C439432991ED22AFC1578C1B@Walter>

Hello Everyone,

I have some back issues of Meteorite (periodical) ending Sunday on ebay. 
For those who might be interested, do a search on seller branchmeteorites 
and you will find them.  Thanks.

-Walter Branch 


From tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com  Sat Mar  7 20:01:17 2009
From: tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com (Tom Randall (KB2SMS))
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:01:17 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] west,texas
Message-ID: <9B683090-61C5-4365-985D-5C7DF209A58D@hvc.rr.com>


   So Steve, when will this be up for sale? Not that I care. Or is it  
sold already?

LOL!



From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  7 20:13:09 2009
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:13:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: (meteorobs) Need Meteorite Specialist for
	Upcoming Teen Show(Michigan)
Message-ID: <845561.97543.qm@web53205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Perhaps someone on these lists can help Abbey with an event in Michigan?  Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo


--- On Sat, 3/7/09, Abbey Morris <abigailsalt at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Abbey Morris <abigailsalt at gmail.com>
> Subject: (meteorobs) Need Meteorite Specialist for Upcoming Teen Show(Michigan)
> To: meteorobs at meteorobs.org
> Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 10:45 AM
> To Whom it May Concern,
> 
> I am the associate producer for an upcoming show produced
> in southeast
> Michigan that will focus on getting teens excited about
> math and
> science-related careers. For each episode we have a teen
> investigative team
> interview an "expert" who fills them in on the
> facts behind their job. The
> reason why I contacted you all, is that for an episode
> called
> "Meteor-wrong," one of the characters thinks he
> has a meteor, yet is not
> sure. The character then decides to interview a
> "planetary scientist"
> (geologist? geochemist? astronomer?) to find out if the
> rock is a meteor or
> not. We are looking for an expert in meteoritics in the
> southeast Michigan
> area who would be willing to explain his or her career, how
> meteors are
> formed, and then go into explaining how meteors are formed
> and how to test
> them for validity.
> 
> If anyone knows any information about who would be suitable
> for this role,
> or who I could contact for more information, it would help
> greatly. Keep in
> mind that we are not looking for just an expert, but an
> expert who can also
> engage teens and make science cool.
> 
> Thanks for your time!
> Abbey Morris
> _______________________________________________
> Mailing list meteorobs: meteorobs at meteorobs.org
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email: owner-meteorobs at meteorobs.org
> http://lists.meteorobs.org/mailman/listinfo/meteorobs

From clwaldeniii at comcast.net  Sat Mar  7 20:20:21 2009
From: clwaldeniii at comcast.net (Chauncey Walden)
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:20:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stereo Google Earth
Message-ID: <49B31D55.6040507@comcast.net>

Want to hunt for craters on Google Earth in stereo?
http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/index.html
Chauncey

From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Sat Mar  7 23:17:39 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:17:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <31917289.156391236485859657.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html

From yellowengine at earthlink.net  Sat Mar  7 22:31:19 2009
From: yellowengine at earthlink.net (RJP)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:31:19 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Small West, TX Individual
Message-ID: <19524555.1236483080263.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Does everyone that wants a stone from the West, TX fall mow have one for their collection? 

I ended up with two pieces, so I am offering one to to the list. (small, complete stone) 

In-situ photos included. Please email off-list for weight, price, and photos. 

And for everyone that is holding off until more are found, please take a look at the forecast for West. Not to mention, Spring field prep is now in full swing. We're down to the wire for fresh stone recovery.

Cheers,

Ryan Pawelski

From Impactika at aol.com  Sat Mar  7 23:19:55 2009
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 23:19:55 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Website update, First Batch!
Message-ID: <c88.43d8a787.36e4a16b@aol.com>

Hello everybody,

I finally got the first batch of new acquisitions on my site.
And it is a very ecclectic bunch, coming from every corner of the globe, from 
Achilles to Zaoyang, with Chateau-Renard, L'Aigle, Nerft, Peekskill, 
Toulouse, and many other rare ones in between. From Latvia to Turkmenistan to China.
And yes, there are pictures.
Have a look: _http://www.impactika.com/MetList.htm_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/MetList.htm) 

Now, back to work. I have so many more...........
 
Any questions, just let me know.
Thanks.

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
http://www.imca.cc/
**************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. 
(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005)

From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Sat Mar  7 23:22:01 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Sat,  7 Mar 2009 20:22:01 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-West TX slices-big surface area, oriented stone
Message-ID: <20090307202201.i1tiquoe80so40gg@webmail.mhmeteorites.com>

Hi All:
I just sliced up a very nice broken individual and have a few slices  
to offer.  These are thin and were cut in alcohol. Also I have a very  
nice oriented piece with rollover lip and silky crust.

Please email me for pricing, which will be very good!

11.5 gram complete stone, oriented, with roll-over lip on back side.
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_11-5_front.jpg

11.5 gram photo of backside showing roll-over lip on fusion crust
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_11-5_back.jpg

11.5 gram photo of side showing pyramidal shape
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_11-5_side.jpg

Slices
6.3 gram end cut with fragmented back and crust on edge SOLD

4.7 gram slice with edge of fusion crust
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_4-7.jpg

4.4 gram slice with edge of fusion crust
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_4-4.jpg

4.3 gram slice with edge of fusion crust
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_4-3.jpg

3.4 gram end cut with fully crusted back
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_3-4end.jpg

0.3 gram end cut with fully crusted back
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_0-3.jpg

Thanks,
Matt




From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sun Mar  8 06:19:19 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:19:19 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] West TX slices-big surface area, oriented stone
In-Reply-To: <20090307202201.i1tiquoe80so40gg@webmail.mhmeteorites.com>
Message-ID: <20090308101919.K6IH7.1021605.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Matt, All,

Great lookinging breccia in your slices Matt...

even in this small piece it looks like it is ready to fragment even more, with what appear to be voids along fracture lines....so thats probably why the fall has comprised of lots of small individuals and no large main mass....yet!

Graham Ensor.


---- mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote: 
> Hi All:
> I just sliced up a very nice broken individual and have a few slices  
> to offer.  These are thin and were cut in alcohol. Also I have a very  
> nice oriented piece with rollover lip and silky crust.
> 
> Please email me for pricing, which will be very good!
> 
> 11.5 gram complete stone, oriented, with roll-over lip on back side.
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_11-5_front.jpg
> 
> 11.5 gram photo of backside showing roll-over lip on fusion crust
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_11-5_back.jpg
> 
> 11.5 gram photo of side showing pyramidal shape
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_11-5_side.jpg
> 
> Slices
> 6.3 gram end cut with fragmented back and crust on edge SOLD
> 
> 4.7 gram slice with edge of fusion crust
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_4-7.jpg
> 
> 4.4 gram slice with edge of fusion crust
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_4-4.jpg
> 
> 4.3 gram slice with edge of fusion crust
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_4-3.jpg
> 
> 3.4 gram end cut with fully crusted back
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_3-4end.jpg
> 
> 0.3 gram end cut with fully crusted back
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/west_0-3.jpg
> 
> Thanks,
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
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From mafer at imagineopals.com  Sun Mar  8 09:35:34 2009
From: mafer at imagineopals.com (mafer at imagineopals.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:35:34 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] West TX slices-big surface area, oriented stone
In-Reply-To: <20090308101919.K6IH7.1021605.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <20090308101919.K6IH7.1021605.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <e4c2116cba1d02181e2598d5a65be386@>

Greetings All!

I have some auctions ending in a couple hours if your interested

Thx
Mark

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/refamat





From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Sun Mar  8 12:02:17 2009
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:02:17 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Rare Irons / Stunning Chondrite!
Message-ID: <871799a20903080902p49f2dffy97f616b5904f6b95@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

the response to my post was so overhelming, that I decided to add the
second half of the

rare iron list today.     http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id42.html

Now available (all from the well known SPACEJEWELS collection):

- Carbo IID; found in Mexico 1923, part slice 180.05 g

- Mount Magnet IAB; Australia 1916, part piece 50.48 g

- Redfields IRUNGR; Australia 1969, part slice 11.7 g

- Chihuahua City IC anom; found in Mexico in 1929; part slice 36.29 g
(with the right pict now!)

- Watson IIE si; Australia 1972, part slice 37.75 g

- Gundaring IIIAB; Australia 1937, part slice 7.9 g

- Huaytiquina IIAB hex,; Argentina 1998, part slice 100 g

- Saint-Aubin IRUNGR; France 1968, part slice 43.88 g

- La Grange IVA; Kentucky 1860, part slice 38.37 g

- Sao Juliao de Moreira; Portugal 1883, full slice 56.13 g

- Gibeon IVA, Of; Namibia 1836, full end slice 333 g

- Kumerina IIC pl.; Australia 1937, part slice 15.75 g

- Cleburne IVA; found in Texas in 1907; full slice 59.50 g

- Landes IAB-MG; found in Virginia in 1930; part slice 5.8 g

- Lueders IAB si.; found in Texas in 1973; part slice 27.50 g

- Sacramento Mts. IIIAB; found in New Mexico in 1890; full slice 49.96 g

- Warbourton Range IVB atax.; found in Australia 1963; part slice 34.08 g

http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id42.html

For questions and orders please write to: p.marmet at mysunrise.ch

NEW!: Stunning Chondrite:  http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id1.html

Thank you,
Peter

Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
IMCA #2747
p.marmet at mysunrise.ch
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/
ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpema9

From waltbranch at bellsouth.net  Sun Mar  8 14:36:51 2009
From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:36:51 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Piper Hillier
Message-ID: <96561D08101844108107274E99B20F86@Walter>

Hello Piper,

Please contact me off list.  Thanks.

-Walter Branch

From wahlperry at aol.com  Sun Mar  8 16:36:53 2009
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:36:53 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pictures of 13.5 gram Oriented shield West Texas
	meteorite
Message-ID: <8CB6E44BFDCC5DF-7A8-494@WEBMAIL-MA06.sysops.aol.com>

Hi All ,

I have put a few more pictures of the 13.5 oriented shield up on my web 
page.

Sonny

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/id27.htm




www.nevadameteorites.com

From waltbranch at bellsouth.net  Sun Mar  8 17:08:27 2009
From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:08:27 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Piper Hillier
References: <96561D08101844108107274E99B20F86@Walter>
Message-ID: <032DD25309984243A818102849CCE59F@Walter>

Thanks to everyone who have privately reminded me that Piper's Last name is 
Hollier, not Hillier.

Sorry, Piper.

-Walter
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walter Branch" <waltbranch at bellsouth.net>
To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:36 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Piper Hillier


> Hello Piper,
>
> Please contact me off list.  Thanks.
>
> -Walter Branch
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From marcin at meteoryty.pl  Sun Mar  8 17:50:54 2009
From: marcin at meteoryty.pl (Marcin Cimala - PolandMET)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:50:54 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Karl Moritz OT
References: <876334.37774.qm@web62004.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001901c9a037$f4f80470$0d00000a@polandmezrd5i9>

Karl, please contact me off-list

tnx

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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Sun Mar  8 18:01:11 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:01:11 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: Carbonanza! New W0/1-Fresh CK5 - new
	W1 CO3 - cheapest CK5 on market, CK4/5 and a W2 CO3
Message-ID: <000101c9a039$6515d740$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Dear collectors,

spring is in the offing and after times of heavy fare of Tucson and West,
Dr.Chladni recommends a high-carb-diet at low cost:
Today it is all about carbonaceous!

Lead stone of the special has certainly to be the superb W0/1-fresh CK5, the
new NWA 5704.
Here it is already, for the impatient ones:
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa5704.html

And here you might see our little dilemma ? we brought so many new CKs to
light in such a fast pace, that some collectors could tend to loose the
feeling for the desirability for this still so exceedingly rare class. 
If we counted correctly,
it?s our 11th CK in roughly 2 years, all different and not paired to
eachother. Well, others know us as Misters R, while again others appreciate
us for
.enough with that self-adulation.

Karoonda-type chondrites stay a highly interesting and somewhat unusual type
in that clan between CV and CO and they are very rare.
Remember back, what did we have in these sometimes so glorified pre-desert
days?
CV3s everyone had thanks to the enormous and benedictory shower of Allende,
Vigarano, Axtell, perhaps Leoville ? no problem. CO3 not so easy, but
Kainsaz and Colony of course were available, and the others here and there.
Murchison at will for the CM2-gap
 
But CKs?  Some Karoonda, usually also not in larger servings than today,
that few material, which came out before the export prohibition was coming
into force. And as a very difficult exercise with a lot of luck, perhaps a
small cut of Maralinga.
And that was it. Full stop.

And not only for the collectors, for the researchers too. Cook 003 in 1986,
and the other 100g+ of 3 Aussie-finds later more, that was all of CK.
Consequently collectors and scientist jumped on the first desert finds ? and
if you google around, seen the number of publications, the CKs never left
the focus of research. Fingers up, who recalls DaG 275 and 412? Weren't they
a sensation?
But also pricey ? 100$, 150$ and up per gram
.
and for the first time really readily available became the CKs with the
sensational find of a German team of HaH 280/281 which is still after
Karoonda by far the largest CK ever, weighing more than all other CKs,
including Antarctica together.


So far so good. In the last specials we explained a lot about the CKs. Their
properties, their differences to the other carbonaceous types, we gave the
stats
  all CKs together 101kg, hence rare as Martians (and only 5.1kg
endlessly paired ones from 32 years of Antarctic hunts).

Therefore we want today to pander to another factor. A somewhat trivial and
profanatory, but nevertheless for many collectors 
decisive aspect:    The Price.


Recently, when we introduced the NWA 5246 CK to the German list, we made a
complete overview of ALL desert-CK offers of the dealers list and some more:
http://www.meteorite.com/dealer_list.htm
No worries, we didn?t made it because we have a drive to an overreaching
competitiveness ? we made all dealers? names anonymous ? but it was
necessary, because many collectors have their difficulties to evaluate the
meteorites, and tend to think: they ask this price, so the value of the
material can?t be higher. The price = maximum value 
and else we couldn?t explain what for a service and performance we?re
delivering to them in permanently offering these special sales.
(..the same as we understood the rule here on this list, that advertisements
should either contain outstanding material or prices below usual level or
both).

One result was, that averagely weathered CKs have an average price on the
dealers pages of 40$ per gram.
(Cheapest is HaH 280 starting at 15$ for larger servings at the finder).

Again, to clarify, these are the regular and normal prices of the
international and specialized trade and these prices are fully and
completely justified seen the difficulty to find such material and seen the
amazing rareness of the CKs.

So and with this background you?ll understand better, because we call our
specials ?specials?.

Enough phrases. Let the Carbonanza begin!

First comes the fresh NWA 5407. 
A CK5, weakly shocked with W2.
But most important, it got a W0/1 ? which means, that it is extremely fresh.

The weathering scale from W0 to W6 doesn?t depict a linear temporary
progress.
Weathering happens not continuously. A stone falls, then it is W0.
Very soon it will be W1 ? in fact often a single rain fall in our climate
can be enough to turn a W0 into a W0/1.
It?s difficult to guess, how long it takes until a stone turns to a W1. The
conditions are to different, certainly that process will take much longer in
arid deserts. But almost all of his residence on Earth, up to 50,000 years
until it will have been gone, a meteorite is a W2, a W3 and worse.
So with W0 and W0/1 we get the tiny tip of the top of the bulk of all
meteorites found.

And NWA 5704 is such a stone. And it is a CK.
As you notice in the pictures, it is very chondrules-rich for a CK.
The usual value of the chondrules-density, hence the ratio of chondrules to
matrix, you?ll find is 15%.
Therefore NWA 5704 seems to be an exception.

The striking freshness becomes visible at its best by the wonderful black
fusion crust, which completely surrounds all slices.
See above, to estimate, whether it?s a fine offer.

We price the slices at 25$ per gram ? and the fully crusted endcut at 19$
per gram only!

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa5704.html

?
Next is NWA 5246,
also a CK5,
but it shows the average weathering of W3.
Nevertheless, if you compare it to your HaH 280 at home ? which visually
isn?t directly sooo exciting, you?ll agree, that NWA 5246 offers still a lot
of interesting details and now it comes:

9$/g
? by far the lowest of offer for a CK on whole market.

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa5246.html

As we got hefty complains from the German collectors, because we always post
our specials to the US-list late at night of our local times, so that often
most specimens, if not all, are sold when they open their computer, we had
offered this CK before to the German forum, so that several specimens are
already sold.


Last but not least:  NWA 5475
The CK4/5 ? we already had it here on the list, 
but we introduced it right on the Tucson&Superbowl-weekend, so that the ad
was lost in midst that joyous agitation, else it?s not explainable, that
there are indeed two pieces left at this price.

And because it?s a low-shocked CK, S1 ? seen the speculations about the
parent body of the clan, which attest it a shocking childhood ? and the
attractiveness of the stone, which looks so much prettier than the W2/3
suggests.

15$/g

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa5475.html


Now we knock on the neighbour door, where the other part of the clan is
housing.
Two new CO3s we got ready.

To pick up, where we left above. CO3s were very rare too, do you know the
reason, why they are so cheap today?
Exactely, due to the early desert finds. The DaG pairing group from Libya.
Didn?t made a summation, but I guess it was a hundredweight + DaG 749 with
almost 100kgs!  Else we would pay today different prices, because if you
check the Bulletin Database, from NWA-Wonderland, we have so far only 14kgs.

Here they are and today at one-price of 8$ a gram.

NWA 5703
a low-shock and well fresh W1 CO3 ? while stock lasts!

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa5703.html

and NWA 5383
W2 and very elegant ? a fiesta under the magnifier:
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa5383.html


Now we hope that you'll enjoy that High-carb-diet, which will help to gain
weight to your collection without your wallet getting slimmer and send best
wishes!

Martin Altmann & Stefan Ralew
Chladni's Heirs
Munich - Berlin
Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors 
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com

.











From tiapplebaum at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 18:28:36 2009
From: tiapplebaum at gmail.com (teddy applebaum)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:28:36 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Updated west totals
Message-ID: <4d1cd8d0903081528q2ad2fd9av234efab5f20aefd3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi list

A few list members pointed out some totals I missed, and also a few
more gave me up to date info on their totals (thanks!) so I included
this new information in the revised totals below. If anyone sends me
new info I will add it to the totals.

Rob Wesel: 9 stones, total: 255 g
Ruben Garcia: 15 stones? total: unknown  (12.6g)
Patrick Thompson: 15 stones total: unknown
Mike Bandli: 6 stones, total:  53.715g
Micheal Cottingham: 18 stones, total: 286g
Micheal Farmer: 23 stones, total: 531.6
Greg Hupe: at least 1 stone, total: unknown (50g)
Eric Wichman: 1 stone, total: 6.7 grams
Jim Baxter 5.9g: from mike farmer
Robert Woolard: and son 7 stones, total: 407 grams
James Phillips: 4 stones, total: 36.3
Geoff Notkin: at least 13 stones, total: unknown (18.8g)
Mike Miller: 8 stones totaling: 365g (212g)
Del Waterbury: 5 stones totaling: 75.3g     (8g, 5,6g, 5.2g, 5.5g, 51g,)
Mike Morgan: 1 stone total: 13g
Keith and Dana Jenkerson: 4 stones, total: unknown
Mexico Doug and Rob Matson, Demi and Sergey: 12 stones, total: 280g+

Totals: 98 stones with known weights = 2396.915g  + at least 46 other
known stones lacking weights + unknown numbers from these hunters:

Jim Schade
Sonny Clary
John Sinclair
Steve Arnold
Shauna Russel
Robert Ward
Gary Curtiss
Matt Morgan

The 98 stones with known weights = 2396.915g, which averages out to
24.46g per stone.

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Sun Mar  8 18:34:28 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:34:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dawn Journal - March 8, 2009
Message-ID: <200903082234.PAA10651@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal_3_08_09.asp

Dawn Journal
Dr. Marc Rayman
March 8, 2009

Dear Dawnlight Saving Times,
 
Now boosted into a new solar orbit courtesy of Mars, Dawn continues 
its interplanetary journey. The spacecraft is healthy and coasting, 
keeping its main antenna pointed to Earth, as it will for most of 
the next 3 months. After that, it will resume its familiar routine 
of devoting most of the time to gently thrusting with its ion 
propulsion system, with only a short period each week for 
communications.

Following the last log, as the probe succumbed to the gravitational 
pull of the red planet, its trajectory gradually began to change. 
Flying true to the plan, Dawn swooped close to Mars and then left 
it behind on a new course, having taken advantage of Mars' gravity.

The spacecraft plunged to within 542 kilometers (337 miles) of the
planet, reaching that lowest altitude at 4:27:58 pm PST on
February 17. The last time it had been so close to another solar
system body was on September 27, 2007, as it left Earth to begin
its long journey to the asteroid belt. In the intervening time, it
traveled alone (although always accompanied by the good wishes of
space enthusiasts on its home planet and throughout the cosmos)
for 1.06 billion kilometers (661 million miles).
 
The targeting of the encounter was well within acceptable limits.
Before embarking on the mission, long before launch, engineers
chose 500 kilometers (311 miles) as a convenient initial target
altitude for planning purposes. With the extraordinary capability
of the ion propulsion system, Dawn easily could accommodate
significant deviations from the plan. To accomplish its mission,
the probe needed to fly anywhere through a window shaped liked a
croquet wicket, extending from more than 750 kilometers (466
miles) above the planet down to 300 kilometers (186 miles). (The
lower limit was chosen for safety, maintaining a comfortable
distance from the tenuous atmosphere and other threats the
spacecraft was not designed to handle.) The width at the bottom of
the wicket was almost 670 kilometers (415 miles).
 
In an effort to broaden our readership beyond only those sentient
beings in the universe who share in the passion for the
exploration of the solar system, the November and January logs
included some material for anyone passionate about archery. We
compared Dawn's flight by Mars to shooting an arrow at a target 47
kilometers (29 miles) away. The objective was to hit a small
region just outside the 30-centimeter (1-foot) red bull's-eye. For
the readers who have joined us because of that topic, we return to
it once again here. (We do not plan to expand upon the croquet
theme in future logs but hope our new readers attracted by
references to that sport will remain with us anyway.)

Our original target altitude of 500 kilometers corresponded to
about 17.2 centimeters (6 3/4 inches) from the center of the
bull's-eye. Using navigational data from January, we predicted
Dawn would fly by at 543 kilometers (337 miles) above the surface,
the arrow sinking into the target about 17.4 centimeters (less
than 6 7/8 inches) from the center, just outside the red circle.
Now we know that that prediction was in error by the equivalent of
about 40 micrometers (less than 1/600 of an inch). The arrow was
off from that expected location by about the thickness of a hair.

The location of the original target was at the 11:00 position, but
the base of the wicket-shaped window extended from where the hour
hand would be at 10:51:02 to 11:03:49. (The wicket is not as
symmetrical as official croquet rules might require.) As a
reminder, because we are concerned only about the hour hand, the
tick marks adjacent to the 11:00 position correspond to 10:48 and
11:12, so this wicket is very narrow. In January, it appeared our
arrow was headed for about 11:03:42. In fact, the actual
trajectory took the spacecraft through the window at the 11:03:40
position.

The gravity assist was extremely accurate indeed. The archers hit
their target and won the big prize: the continuation of the
mission of exploration in the asteroid belt, seeking answers to
questions about the dawn of the solar system. In addition to the
gravity assist, which was essential to the success of the mission,
the operations team had devised a plan to acquire some bonus data
to aid in the calibration of the science instruments, as described
last month.

In order to point its instruments at their calibration targets,
the probe oriented itself for a short time in such a way that
light reflected from Mars reached its "star tracker." This unit 
(with a mystifying name, whose origin is lost in the dim mists 
of time) tracks stars in order to help the attitude control system
establish the spacecraft's orientation (or
"attitude") in the zero-gravity of spaceflight. The tracker's
camera images stars and its internal computer recognizes patterns,
much as you might recognize some of the lovely constellations
visible from your planet and use them to orient yourself at night.
When Mars light entered the star tracker, the camera was dazzled,
temporarily unable to see the stars. If you reside on a planet
with a large moon, you may have experienced a similar phenomenon.
It is much harder to see stars when the bright moon interferes.

Engineers had anticipated this behavior. Because they knew the
star tracker likely would be unable to provide useful data to the
attitude control system for a while, gyroscopes had been powered
on well beforehand. Using these spinning masses, attitude control
can sense turns and keep track of how the attitude changes even
when the star tracker is not yielding accurate information.

As another preventive measure, commands stored on board
temporarily precluded protective software, known as fault
protection, from seeing any alerts indicating that the star
tracker was not able to produce valid data. Because they expected
the data to be invalid, engineers did not want fault protection to
respond under the mistaken impression that the tracker was unhealthy.

As Dawn approached Mars, with instruments powered and beginning
their calibrations, the light reached the star tracker, but it
performed better than expected. After reaching its minimum
distance, as the spacecraft rotated during its ascent, the star
tracker's line of sight moved closer still to Mars. Almost 2
minutes after the closest approach, the device finally was
overwhelmed with light and reported that it could not track stars,
declaring itself to be nonoperational and causing a software flag
to be hoisted to alert interested parties. As planned, attitude
control relied on gyros and fault protection remained blind to the
alert.

About 11 minutes later, as the spacecraft's attitude continued to
change, the star tracker's view moved far enough from Mars that
the unit once again could discern stars. When it recognized
patterns, it reported its data to attitude control, which readily
used them. All was well, and the tracker had functioned better
than anticipated, identifying stars with Mars closer to its line
of sight than anticipated.

Another 7 minutes after that, as Dawn's momentum continued to
carry it away from Mars, the stored command to restore fault
protection's ability to see any star tracker problems was
executed. The star tracker was indeed working well, but the
compulsive reader will note that the chronology above does not
include lowering the virtual flag that was raised when the tracker
announced it had stopped tracking stars. A software bug, hardy
enough to elude the operations team and survive the rigors of the
deep-space environment, prevented the flag from coming back down
when the tracker resumed normal operation. Although attitude
control was making good use of the data, when fault protection saw
the flag, it fulfilled its function; treating the tracker as if it
were unhealthy, the protective software deactivated the unit.

Fault protection's next step was to try to use the backup star
tracker. Another bug, identified last year while the spacecraft
was in flight, deprived the second tracker of the time necessary
to complete its activation routine. (That bug has been fixed in a
new version of the software scheduled to be transmitted to the
spacecraft before ion thrusting resumes in June.) With no star
tracker available, fault protection correctly followed the plan
its designers had given it: it interrupted the calibrations,
powered off the instruments, and put the spacecraft into "safe
mode", awaiting instructions from Earth on what to do next.

The operations team, following events on distant Earth (delayed by
the more than 19 minutes it took radio signals to cross the
separation), observed the signature of safe mode. There was no
urgency in responding, however, because the instrument
calibrations could not be restarted, and the crucial gravity
assist was unaffected by the spacecraft's activities. Mars would
sling Dawn in the intended direction without regard for the
probe's actions.

The cause of the "safing" was quickly determined, and the team
returned the spacecraft to its normal operational configuration
within about 2 days. In addition, all the bonus calibration data
that the instruments had transferred to the spacecraft's main
computer before they were deactivated were transmitted to Earth.

The gamma ray and neutron detector (GRaND) 
obtained excellent measurements of both gamma rays and neutrons
from Mars. The instrument has been operated a number of times in
flight to measure high-energy radiation that pervades space as it
strikes the spacecraft, but, unlike the other science sensors
onboard, it can detect bodies only when it is very close to them.
Dawn's other instruments have observed distant planets and stars
several times already, but that is not possible for GRaND, even
with its suite of sophisticated detectors. Mars is the only
occasion in the mission for it to observe a specific,
well-characterized object. It was powered on in January
in anticipation of this opportunity.

GRaND obtained a thorough set of data as Dawn traveled down to its
lowest point, despite being over the night side of the planet part
of that time, because it does not require illumination by the Sun
to "see" its subject. It acquired additional valuable data as the
spacecraft receded from Mars. This was GRaND's only measurement of
a planetary body; and, apart from being quite brief, it was
performed in much the same way it will be when Dawn orbits each of
its protoplanetary destinations. It was especially good fortune
that space radiation levels were relatively low during the
encounter with Mars, making the radiation escaping from the
atmosphere and surface particularly clear for GRaND. Scientists
will compare GRaND's data with measurements of gamma rays and
neutrons by the Mars Odyssey spacecraft (which has been studying
the planet for more than 7 years), helping them prepare for
interpreting the unique observations it will make of Vesta and
Ceres to reveal many of the atomic constituents of those protoplanets.
 
The visible and infrared spectrometer's data were not stored in
the spacecraft's main computer memory before the safing because
the camera's data had priority. One of the images the camera
acquired is shown here
<http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/dawn/multimedia/mars-20090220.html>.
 
With the benefit of an excellent gravity assist, the Dawn project
is gratified to have Mars behind and Vesta now so clearly ahead.
Having obtained even more than was needed from the red planet,
Dawn is ever more eager to press on to its destinations in the
asteroid belt.
 
Dawn is 4.1 million kilometers (2.5 million miles) from Mars. It
is 336 million kilometers (209 million miles) from Earth, or 915
times as far as the moon and 2.26 times as far as the Sun. Radio
signals, traveling at the universal limit of the speed of light,
take 37 minutes to make the round trip.
 
P.S. While the spacecraft is not concerned with changes between
standard time and daylight saving time, its human colleagues are.
Your correspondent, however, subscribes neither to the
spacecraft's indifference nor to the more traditional rigid
adherence. He does follow the convention of advancing clocks, as
we do today, but rather than setting his clocks back with everyone
else late in the year, he saves that extra hour. Every 24 years,
that should give him one extra day.


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Sun Mar  8 18:35:15 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:35:15 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Updated west totals
In-Reply-To: <4d1cd8d0903081528q2ad2fd9av234efab5f20aefd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4d1cd8d0903081528q2ad2fd9av234efab5f20aefd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F9FC673-6979-49F1-B556-631C0FFA9846@gilanet.com>

Hello,

Thanks for doing this. I will remind some folks about their weights  
and ask them to report in. It would be real helpful if Steve Arnold  
reported in with his weights and maybe he can ask his team to do the  
same. Their team found a lot and it is essential to an accurate total  
known weight that all folks try and help out if they can.

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

On Mar 8, 2009, at 3:28 PM, teddy applebaum wrote:

> Hi list
>
> A few list members pointed out some totals I missed, and also a few
> more gave me up to date info on their totals (thanks!) so I included
> this new information in the revised totals below. If anyone sends me
> new info I will add it to the totals.
>
> Rob Wesel: 9 stones, total: 255 g
> Ruben Garcia: 15 stones? total: unknown  (12.6g)
> Patrick Thompson: 15 stones total: unknown
> Mike Bandli: 6 stones, total:  53.715g
> Micheal Cottingham: 18 stones, total: 286g
> Micheal Farmer: 23 stones, total: 531.6
> Greg Hupe: at least 1 stone, total: unknown (50g)
> Eric Wichman: 1 stone, total: 6.7 grams
> Jim Baxter 5.9g: from mike farmer
> Robert Woolard: and son 7 stones, total: 407 grams
> James Phillips: 4 stones, total: 36.3
> Geoff Notkin: at least 13 stones, total: unknown (18.8g)
> Mike Miller: 8 stones totaling: 365g (212g)
> Del Waterbury: 5 stones totaling: 75.3g     (8g, 5,6g, 5.2g, 5.5g,  
> 51g,)
> Mike Morgan: 1 stone total: 13g
> Keith and Dana Jenkerson: 4 stones, total: unknown
> Mexico Doug and Rob Matson, Demi and Sergey: 12 stones, total: 280g+
>
> Totals: 98 stones with known weights = 2396.915g  + at least 46 other
> known stones lacking weights + unknown numbers from these hunters:
>
> Jim Schade
> Sonny Clary
> John Sinclair
> Steve Arnold
> Shauna Russel
> Robert Ward
> Gary Curtiss
> Matt Morgan
>
> The 98 stones with known weights = 2396.915g, which averages out to
> 24.46g per stone.
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From element33 at peconic.net  Sun Mar  8 19:09:37 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 00:09:37 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Find a Falling Star for $35
References: <109739.71260.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<7E2D73B42B0B49198842EA6E32581974@Walter>
Message-ID: <014d01c9a042$f4a8d200$319f215a@Inspiron8200>

Thanks Walter, Elton and also Mike Gilmer who ultimately made me discover 
the book.

Actually I had very nice email exchanges with Piper Hollier.
I am buying it from him + "Rocks from Space", recommended by Anne Black. 
(Thanks Anne)
Collectibles have charm, but for now I favor content, good condition and 
fair price.

PS: I had said I would present myself, but had a very busy weekend including
my first visit to the Ensisheim Meteorite. Beautiful. With the rare pleasure 
of being alone
in the museum, even the only visitor that day.

Good evening
Michael Bross



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walter Branch" <waltbranch at bellsouth.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Michael Bross" 
<element33 at peconic.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Find a Falling Star for $35


> Hello Michael,
>
> About 7 or 8 years ago, I used to buy many copies from bookdealer Johnny 
> Hahn (hope the spelling is right and the name for that matter) for $20.00 
> apiece - new softcover copies.  I sold them for about that much.  Most 
> recently I bought a copy from Ed Thompson for $50.00 - new softcover. 
> Well worth it.  Contact Ed (he is a list member) to inquire if he has 
> more.
>
> It is a great book, one that you will (re)read many times.  I have.
>
> I would also like welcome you the the Meteoite List!
>
> -Walter Branch
> 




From element33 at peconic.net  Sun Mar  8 19:22:17 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 00:22:17 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim meteorites
Message-ID: <016001c9a044$b953ffc0$319f215a@Inspiron8200>

Hello list members

A short message about Ensisheim.
Being alone, I took a lot of photos, although it is quite difficult to get 
good ones with
the displays and busy backgrounds. But a nice small museum with interesting 
artifacts
from the potash mining + some very nice archeological pieces, including a 
rare
"trepanated" skull.

There are 2 other Iron meteorites in a display next to the famous one, but 
with no
information about their origin. Do you know them ?
They are quite big also.
I will call this week to try to get more info, Saturday it was a student who 
took care of the museum.

A bientot
Michael Bross 




From erikfwebb at msn.com  Sun Mar  8 22:10:36 2009
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:10:36 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Group Hunt
Message-ID: <COL119-W60F8CA55E4A530CFC25A37A4A00@phx.gbl>


This weekend a group of hunters including Nate, Dean, Zaya, Bedrock Bob, my father, and I hunted Holbrook.
Even our friend Travis stopped by on Sunday.
 
Nate rode with us, so I had a chance to weigh his finds along with ours.
------------------------
Nate's:
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view&current=N1.jpg

3.4g
2.2g
2.1g
1.3g
0.9g
0.7g
0.6g
0.5g
0.5g
0.4g
0.4g
0.4g
Total = 13.4g
------------------------
Ben's:
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view&current=B1.jpg
 
5.3g
2.4g
2.1g
1.1g
1.1g
0.6g
Total = 12.6g
------------------------
Erik's
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view&current=E1.jpg
 
9.4g (Fragmented idividual)
5.2g
4.7g
2.6g
1.5g
1.1g
0.9g
0.7g
0.6g
0.6g
0.4g
Total = 28.6g
------------------------

 
 

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  8 22:21:59 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:21:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD (sort of) - Online store glitch fixed.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.35.1236528069.1355.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <156738.27530.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi folks!

This is just a quick notice to let everyone know that the glitch in
my online store has been fixed.  Some of you were having problems
using the checkout and shopping cart function on the Galactic 
Stone website.  There was a problem with how I setup the store,
and I corrected the issue.  Everything works properly now.

List members please use the "metlist" coupon code at checkout for a
15% discount off the total order. :)

I apologize for any inconvenience this error may have caused.

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................




      

From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  8 22:26:08 2009
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Group Hunt
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W60F8CA55E4A530CFC25A37A4A00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <494094.46282.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Thats Cool! Holbrook is always fun, Ben and Erik must have eagle eyes... But where are Dean's finds?

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Erik Fisler <erikfwebb at msn.com> wrote:

> From: Erik Fisler <erikfwebb at msn.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Group Hunt
> To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 7:10 PM
> This weekend a group of hunters including Nate, Dean, Zaya,
> Bedrock Bob, my father, and I hunted Holbrook.
> Even our friend Travis stopped by on Sunday.
>  
> Nate rode with us, so I had a chance to weigh his finds
> along with ours.
> ------------------------
> Nate's:
> http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view&current=N1.jpg
> 
> 3.4g
> 2.2g
> 2.1g
> 1.3g
> 0.9g
> 0.7g
> 0.6g
> 0.5g
> 0.5g
> 0.4g
> 0.4g
> 0.4g
> Total = 13.4g
> ------------------------
> Ben's:
> http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view&current=B1.jpg
>  
> 5.3g
> 2.4g
> 2.1g
> 1.1g
> 1.1g
> 0.6g
> Total = 12.6g
> ------------------------
> Erik's
> http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view&current=E1.jpg
>  
> 9.4g (Fragmented idividual)
> 5.2g
> 4.7g
> 2.6g
> 1.5g
> 1.1g
> 0.9g
> 0.7g
> 0.6g
> 0.6g
> 0.4g
> Total = 28.6g
> ------------------------
> 
>  
>  
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From mlblood at cox.net  Sun Mar  8 22:15:45 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:15:45 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] por favore
In-Reply-To: <156738.27530.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C5D9C9E1.1435%mlblood@cox.net>

 Hi all,
        Bob Cucchiara, please email me. I have lost all my
Data and need to "talk" to you.
        Those who are not Bob Cucchiara may contact me
If they want to, are bored or want to in some way insult
Me. 
        Thanks, Michael



From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Mar  8 22:45:55 2009
From: gmhupe at htn.net (gmhupe at htn.net)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:45:55 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Updated west totals
Message-ID: <684d7a3e01564ac2a578c3233b01f2e8.gmhupe@htn.net>

Hi Teddy,

Thank you for the West totals. I had actually posted my total finds and combined weight to the 
List a few days ago. I found 12 stones totaling 268 grams.

Best regards,
Greg Hupe




------- Original Message -------
>From    : teddy applebaum[mailto:tiapplebaum at gmail.com]
Sent    : 3/8/2009 6:28:36 PM
To      : meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc      : 
Subject : RE: [meteorite-list] Updated west totals

 Hi list

A few list members pointed out some totals I missed, and also a few
more gave me up to date info on their totals (thanks!) so I included
this new information in the revised totals below. If anyone sends me
new info I will add it to the totals.

Rob Wesel: 9 stones, total: 255 g
Ruben Garcia: 15 stones? total: unknown  (12.6g)
Patrick Thompson: 15 stones total: unknown
Mike Bandli: 6 stones, total:  53.715g
Micheal Cottingham: 18 stones, total: 286g
Micheal Farmer: 23 stones, total: 531.6
Greg Hupe: at least 1 stone, total: unknown (50g)
Eric Wichman: 1 stone, total: 6.7 grams
Jim Baxter 5.9g: from mike farmer
Robert Woolard: and son 7 stones, total: 407 grams
James Phillips: 4 stones, total: 36.3
Geoff Notkin: at least 13 stones, total: unknown (18.8g)
Mike Miller: 8 stones totaling: 365g (212g)
Del Waterbury: 5 stones totaling: 75.3g     (8g, 5,6g, 5.2g, 5.5g, 51g,)
Mike Morgan: 1 stone total: 13g
Keith and Dana Jenkerson: 4 stones, total: unknown
Mexico Doug and Rob Matson, Demi and Sergey: 12 stones, total: 280g+

Totals: 98 stones with known weights = 2396.915g  + at least 46 other
known stones lacking weights + unknown numbers from these hunters:

Jim Schade
Sonny Clary
John Sinclair
Steve Arnold
Shauna Russel
Robert Ward
Gary Curtiss
Matt Morgan

The 98 stones with known weights = 2396.915g, which averages out to
24.46g per stone.
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  8 23:54:20 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:54:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West, day like friggin 60 or so:)
Message-ID: <903944.50114.qm@web110604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


I  am back in West, since Friday night. I went home to answer some mail, pay some bills and do some other assorted home junk for a day and flew back to Texas. Found one piece yesterday, and did some serious walking today. Saw the new main mass, nice piece. 


More news from land of ticks tomorrow.
Michael Farmer

From catoni52 at sympatico.ca  Mon Mar  9 00:00:09 2009
From: catoni52 at sympatico.ca (catoni52 at sympatico.ca)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:00:09 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Texas Meteorite Hunt - Question
Message-ID: <COL0-F24E611C61211491D2D41FFA8A00@phx.gbl>


  Greetings All:
                       Some questions that I have is:

   What kind of deal does one make with the land-owner?
   A split of the finds between land-owner and searcher? By weight?
   A simple payment of so many dollars for permission to search?
   Do you have some sort of document for both to sign?

   In most cases do you get fairly easy permission and the land-owners are 
usually friendly?

   Best wishes to all, and clear skies.

   Rob Williamson



From info at meteorites.com.au  Mon Mar  9 00:34:56 2009
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:34:56 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: Carbonanza! New W0/1-Fresh CK5 -
	newW1 CO3 - cheapest CK5 on market, CK4/5 and a W2 CO3
In-Reply-To: <000101c9a039$6515d740$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <000101c9a039$6515d740$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <E82CE2A0FB7F4E2CA72151C413C04845@JeffPC>

Hi all,

I was talking with Martin about this meteorite earlier in the week. A very 
nice CK indeed. I think the Chladnis lads have done quite an amazing job 
with these CK marvels. In fact their 11 or more different ones out of the 
deserts in the past couple of years is a considerable feat given their 
rarity. Martin was showing me some of these meteorites this morning and I 
thought I would repost them here for everyone to enjoy. Hope that's ok 
Martin!

NWA 5704 CK5, S2, W0/1
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/NWA5704-66.3g-end.jpg

NWA 5475 CK4/5  S1, W2/3
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/nwa5475-51.930g-end.jpg

NWA 5378 CK5 S2, W1
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/nwa5378-9.410g-end.jpg

NWA 5246 CK5, S2, W3
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/nwa5246-34.992g-end.jpg

NWA 4897 CK5, S2, W2
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/nwa4897-15.211g-end.JPG

NWA 4813 CK5 S2,W2
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/nwa4813-12.398g.jpg

NWA 4811 CK5,S2, W2
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/nwa4811-8.084g.jpg

NWA 4810 CK4,S2,W2
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/nwa4810-2.640g.JPG

Cheers,

Jeff



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:01 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: Carbonanza! New W0/1-Fresh CK5 - 
newW1 CO3 - cheapest CK5 on market, CK4/5 and a W2 CO3


Dear collectors,

spring is in the offing and after times of heavy fare of Tucson and West,
Dr.Chladni recommends a high-carb-diet at low cost:
Today it is all about carbonaceous!

Lead stone of the special has certainly to be the superb W0/1-fresh CK5, the
new NWA 5704.
Here it is already, for the impatient ones:
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa5704.html

And here you might see our little dilemma - we brought so many new CKs to
light in such a fast pace, that some collectors could tend to loose the
feeling for the desirability for this still so exceedingly rare class.
If we counted correctly,
it's our 11th CK in roughly 2 years, all different and not paired to
eachother. Well, others know us as Misters R, while again others appreciate
us for..enough with that self-adulation.

Karoonda-type chondrites stay a highly interesting and somewhat unusual type
in that clan between CV and CO and they are very rare.
Remember back, what did we have in these sometimes so glorified pre-desert
days?
CV3s everyone had thanks to the enormous and benedictory shower of Allende,
Vigarano, Axtell, perhaps Leoville - no problem. CO3 not so easy, but
Kainsaz and Colony of course were available, and the others here and there.
Murchison at will for the CM2-gap.
But CKs?  Some Karoonda, usually also not in larger servings than today,
that few material, which came out before the export prohibition was coming
into force. And as a very difficult exercise with a lot of luck, perhaps a
small cut of Maralinga.
And that was it. Full stop.

And not only for the collectors, for the researchers too. Cook 003 in 1986,
and the other 100g+ of 3 Aussie-finds later more, that was all of CK.
Consequently collectors and scientist jumped on the first desert finds - and
if you google around, seen the number of publications, the CKs never left
the focus of research. Fingers up, who recalls DaG 275 and 412? Weren't they
a sensation?
But also pricey - 100$, 150$ and up per gram..
and for the first time really readily available became the CKs with the
sensational find of a German team of HaH 280/281 which is still after
Karoonda by far the largest CK ever, weighing more than all other CKs,
including Antarctica together.


So far so good. In the last specials we explained a lot about the CKs. Their
properties, their differences to the other carbonaceous types, we gave the
stats.  all CKs together 101kg, hence rare as Martians (and only 5.1kg
endlessly paired ones from 32 years of Antarctic hunts).

Therefore we want today to pander to another factor. A somewhat trivial and
profanatory, but nevertheless for many collectors
decisive aspect:    The Price.


Recently, when we introduced the NWA 5246 CK to the German list, we made a
complete overview of ALL desert-CK offers of the dealers list and some more:
http://www.meteorite.com/dealer_list.htm
No worries, we didn't made it because we have a drive to an overreaching
competitiveness - we made all dealers' names anonymous - but it was
necessary, because many collectors have their difficulties to evaluate the
meteorites, and tend to think: they ask this price, so the value of the
material can't be higher. The price = maximum value
and else we couldn't explain what for a service and performance we're
delivering to them in permanently offering these special sales.
(..the same as we understood the rule here on this list, that advertisements
should either contain outstanding material or prices below usual level or
both).

One result was, that averagely weathered CKs have an average price on the
dealers pages of 40$ per gram.
(Cheapest is HaH 280 starting at 15$ for larger servings at the finder).

Again, to clarify, these are the regular and normal prices of the
international and specialized trade and these prices are fully and
completely justified seen the difficulty to find such material and seen the
amazing rareness of the CKs.

So and with this background you'll understand better, because we call our
specials "specials".

Enough phrases. Let the Carbonanza begin!

First comes the fresh NWA 5407.
A CK5, weakly shocked with W2.
But most important, it got a W0/1 - which means, that it is extremely fresh.

The weathering scale from W0 to W6 doesn't depict a linear temporary
progress.
Weathering happens not continuously. A stone falls, then it is W0.
Very soon it will be W1 - in fact often a single rain fall in our climate
can be enough to turn a W0 into a W0/1.
It's difficult to guess, how long it takes until a stone turns to a W1. The
conditions are to different, certainly that process will take much longer in
arid deserts. But almost all of his residence on Earth, up to 50,000 years
until it will have been gone, a meteorite is a W2, a W3 and worse.
So with W0 and W0/1 we get the tiny tip of the top of the bulk of all
meteorites found.

And NWA 5704 is such a stone. And it is a CK.
As you notice in the pictures, it is very chondrules-rich for a CK.
The usual value of the chondrules-density, hence the ratio of chondrules to
matrix, you'll find is 15%.
Therefore NWA 5704 seems to be an exception.

The striking freshness becomes visible at its best by the wonderful black
fusion crust, which completely surrounds all slices.
See above, to estimate, whether it's a fine offer.

We price the slices at 25$ per gram - and the fully crusted endcut at 19$
per gram only!

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa5704.html


Next is NWA 5246,
also a CK5,
but it shows the average weathering of W3.
Nevertheless, if you compare it to your HaH 280 at home - which visually
isn't directly sooo exciting, you'll agree, that NWA 5246 offers still a lot
of interesting details and now it comes:

9$/g
- by far the lowest of offer for a CK on whole market.

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa5246.html

As we got hefty complains from the German collectors, because we always post
our specials to the US-list late at night of our local times, so that often
most specimens, if not all, are sold when they open their computer, we had
offered this CK before to the German forum, so that several specimens are
already sold.


Last but not least:  NWA 5475
The CK4/5 - we already had it here on the list,
but we introduced it right on the Tucson&Superbowl-weekend, so that the ad
was lost in midst that joyous agitation, else it's not explainable, that
there are indeed two pieces left at this price.

And because it's a low-shocked CK, S1 - seen the speculations about the
parent body of the clan, which attest it a shocking childhood - and the
attractiveness of the stone, which looks so much prettier than the W2/3
suggests.

15$/g

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa5475.html


Now we knock on the neighbour door, where the other part of the clan is
housing.
Two new CO3s we got ready.

To pick up, where we left above. CO3s were very rare too, do you know the
reason, why they are so cheap today?
Exactely, due to the early desert finds. The DaG pairing group from Libya.
Didn't made a summation, but I guess it was a hundredweight + DaG 749 with
almost 100kgs!  Else we would pay today different prices, because if you
check the Bulletin Database, from NWA-Wonderland, we have so far only 14kgs.

Here they are and today at one-price of 8$ a gram.

NWA 5703
a low-shock and well fresh W1 CO3 - while stock lasts!

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa5703.html

and NWA 5383
W2 and very elegant - a fiesta under the magnifier:
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa5383.html


Now we hope that you'll enjoy that High-carb-diet, which will help to gain
weight to your collection without your wallet getting slimmer and send best
wishes!

Martin Altmann & Stefan Ralew
Chladni's Heirs
Munich - Berlin
Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors
http://www.chladnis-heirs.com

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From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  9 00:38:00 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:38:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Group Hunt
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W60F8CA55E4A530CFC25A37A4A00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <247124.13918.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


Congrats, Erik et al.-- who knew Holbrook had so much left to pick 100 years later?
Elton


--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Erik Fisler <erikfwebb at msn.com> wrote:

> From: Erik Fisler <erikfwebb at msn.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Group Hunt
> To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 10:10 PM
> This weekend a group of hunters including Nate, Dean, Zaya,
> Bedrock Bob, my father, and I hunted Holbrook.
> Even our friend Travis stopped by on Sunday.
>  
> Nate rode with us, so I had a chance to weigh his finds
> along with ours.
> ------------------------
> Nate's:
> http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view&current=N1.jpg
> 
> 3.4g
> 2.2g
> 2.1g
> 1.3g
> 0.9g
> 0.7g
> 0.6g
> 0.5g
> 0.5g
> 0.4g
> 0.4g
> 0.4g
> Total = 13.4g
> ------------------------
> Ben's:
> http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view&current=B1.jpg
>  
> 5.3g
> 2.4g
> 2.1g
> 1.1g
> 1.1g
> 0.6g
> Total = 12.6g
> ------------------------
> Erik's
> http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view&current=E1.jpg
>  
> 9.4g (Fragmented idividual)
> 5.2g
> 4.7g
> 2.6g
> 1.5g
> 1.1g
> 0.9g
> 0.7g
> 0.6g
> 0.6g
> 0.4g
> Total = 28.6g
> ------------------------
> 
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From tiapplebaum at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 02:20:43 2009
From: tiapplebaum at gmail.com (teddy applebaum)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:20:43 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] I don't get all list posts...
Message-ID: <4d1cd8d0903082320n3532fcf8nac58949a48c269d6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi list,

Sorry to keep peppering you all with questions about the workings of
the list but a few people have told me they posted their West totals
recently and I most definitely have not received their posts. I am not
in digest mode currently. Any suggestions?

Thanks - Teddy A.

From qwalkra at mailbox.ezadsl.net.au  Mon Mar  9 03:57:14 2009
From: qwalkra at mailbox.ezadsl.net.au (Bob WALKER)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:57:14 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] QMIG update
Message-ID: <96C17129212E42E682EDECFE775B60A3@your0a700f0aaf>

Listoids

Long overdue update at http://www.qmig.org - I'm having troubles updating 
the mirror at qmig.net...

Pix of Wynella uploaded

Pix of a genuine specimen of Hamilton from the original UNE find uploaded 
and avail from the news page

This is so significantly different from the commercially avail Hamilton for 
sale from time to time that I now have to double-check the provenance...

Shitloads of new articles on Mungindi and Thunda and the Warbreccan stones 
(aka Tenham) and Hamilton and Wynella to upload when I get a chance

And I still have to edit the Arrabury article to include a few more details 
of the petrology

I bleat from time to time that I am still looking for specimens of Maroo and 
Whitula Creek - more of HAAG's theivery from Australia - I know that Blaine 
Reed eventually bought these from HAAG and was good enough to have them 
classified and they were apparently subsequently sold out... I do need some 
specimens to have a full house card hand and ask that listoids assist me in 
achieving a swap/trade/buy

Cheers 


From info at meteorites.com.au  Mon Mar  9 08:30:07 2009
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:30:07 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Beautiful Henbury - Auction ending soon!
Message-ID: <E4BC767EFE2847E080C73429D6F2E450@JeffPC>

Just a note that my Henbury auction is ending today:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120387470947

Cheers,

Jeff


From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Mon Mar  9 09:27:22 2009
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:27:22 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Updated west totals
Message-ID: <ca3.4973c309.36e6733a@aol.com>

24 meteorites found by me personally, 1  meteorite purchased by me, total 
weight 372.4g

Steve Arnold  

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From tiapplebaum at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 11:27:05 2009
From: tiapplebaum at gmail.com (teddy applebaum)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:27:05 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] New West totals
Message-ID: <4d1cd8d0903090827r47c35120p39d38fb927d4db29@mail.gmail.com>

Hi list,

A few more important West totals have come in:

Rob Wesel: 9 stones, total: 255 g
Ruben Garcia: 15 stones, total: unknown  (12.6g)
Patrick Thompson: 15 stones, total: unknown
Mike Bandli: 6 stones, total:  53.715g
Micheal Cottingham: 18 stones, total: 286g
Micheal Farmer: 23 stones, total: 531.6
Greg Hupe: 12 stone total: 268g (50g)
Eric Wichman: 1 stone, total: 6.7 grams
Jim Baxter 5.9g: from Mike Farmer
Robert Woolard: and son 7 stones, total: 407 grams
James Phillips: 4 stones, total: 36.3
Geoff Notkin: at least 13 stones, total: unknown (18.8g)
Mike Miller: 8 stones totaling: 365g (212g)
Del Waterbury: 5 stones totaling: 75.3g     (8g, 5,6g, 5.2g, 5.5g, 51g,)
Mike Morgan: 1 stone total: 13g
Keith and Dana Jenkerson: 4 stones, total: unknown
Mexico Doug and Rob Matson: 12 stones, total: 280g+
Bob Haag: 4 stones, total: 89g (rumor)
John Sinclair: 4 stones, total: 43.91g (5.77g, 9.84g, 13.55g, 14.75g
Steve Arnold: 24 stones found, 1 purchased, total: 372.4g

Totals: 142 stones with known weights = 3120.225g  + at least 46 other
known stones lacking weights + unknown numbers from these hunters:

Jim Schade
Sonny Clary
Shauna Russel
Robert Ward
Gary Curtiss
Matt Morgan

So a total of 142 stones with known weights = 3120.225g, which
averages out to 21.93g per stone.

At that rate the 46 stones with unknown weights would add another 1010.8g

So a new minimum estimate of the West total is 4.1 kilos, and it makes
sense to estimate that 4.5-5 kilos have been found since we still have
at least 6 hunters with unreported stone, and weight totals (and
Farmers back at it).

? Teddy A

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  9 11:56:43 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:56:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.130.1236565321.40053.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <968793.9240.qm@web58408.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi Listees! :)

I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a 
semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some
of the envious collections other list members have.

So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
how many hammers do you have in your collection?

Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :

Hammer falls -

Allende
Carancas
Claxton
Gao Guenie
Holbrook
Moss
Murchison
New Orleans
Park Forest
Peekskill
Weston

Other witnessed falls -

Bassikounou
Chergach
Ensisheim
Juvinas
Norton County
Shalka
Sikhote Alin
Tagish Lake
Tamdakht
Tatahouine
Udei Station
"West" Texas
Zag
Zagami

This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
falls and hammers.  I only collect recent falls that happened
after I started collecting in late 2006.  So, basically from
Bassikounou forward is fair game.  This is an arbitrary starting
point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
line to base my fall collection on.  I am missing quite a few
recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.

As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them.  Any
meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
interested I am in acquiring it.  Claxton is awesome.  Imagine
how small a mailbox is.  Even when considering there are millions
of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a 
meteorite hitting one?  To me, that is interesting.  Peekskill
is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
circumstance.  But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)

New Orleans?  Very interesting.  First, it struck a house, but
it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
a desk.  That makes it worth collecting.  But even more interesting
is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
tattooed or sans virginity. ;)

Weston?  Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. 

I love Carancas - because it's a tease.  I would love to have a
fully-crusted, whole individual.  But who wouldn't?  It's like
Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer.  You can't
buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
teases of the meteorite world.  But we love to be teased, so these
two falls will always be favorites of mine.   Did anyone ever
find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
emanated from the Carancas crater?

Murchison?  Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type.  It also fell
on my wife's 8th birthday.  So, it's a must have.  We are fortunate
that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
got retarded about their meteorite laws.  

Allende!  Who doesn't love Allende?  If you don't love Allende,
then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
town on a rail.  Allende is Mexico's Murchison.  And unlike
Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
piece of Allende.  

Park Forest is also a favorite.  It's not just a hammer, it's a
multiple impactor.  It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
of targets.  

Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls.  What are your's?

Best regards and clear skies!

MikeG

PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
this post!  By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................




      

From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Mon Mar  9 12:01:44 2009
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:01:44 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What's the deal?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.129.1236565321.40053.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.129.1236565321.40053.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <49B53D68.2000804@meteoritewatch.com>

What is the deal with all the recent meteor sightings?

Is it me or does there seem to be more sightings recently?

March 7th, Saturday Morning 12:24am; Westchester: 
http://lohud.com/article/20090309/NEWS02/903090340/-1/newsfront

http://lohud.com/article/20090308/NEWS02/903070400/-1/SPORTS

Or is it simply increased awareness created by the meteorite fall in Texas?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA



From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Mon Mar  9 12:10:58 2009
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:10:58 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] What's the deal?
References: <mailman.129.1236565321.40053.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<49B53D68.2000804@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <71865083380D4E899DF3809039767502@bellatrix>

Fireballs don't happen at a uniform rate, but are often clustered somewhat 
(that's just a statistical effect; they are not physically related). Combine 
this with the added awareness that comes with a widely witnessed event, and 
I think that explains things. BTW, I'd put the start of this particular run 
at last November's Saskatchewan fireball and subsequent recovery, not the 
more recent Texas event.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] What's the deal?


> What is the deal with all the recent meteor sightings?
>
> Is it me or does there seem to be more sightings recently?
>
> March 7th, Saturday Morning 12:24am; Westchester: 
> http://lohud.com/article/20090309/NEWS02/903090340/-1/newsfront
>
> http://lohud.com/article/20090308/NEWS02/903070400/-1/SPORTS
>
> Or is it simply increased awareness created by the meteorite fall in 
> Texas?
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA


From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Mon Mar  9 12:13:33 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
In-Reply-To: <968793.9240.qm@web58408.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.130.1236565321.40053.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<968793.9240.qm@web58408.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009301c9a0d2$00c42280$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
It hit a man made dirt road.
And Hosur made a hole in a road too.


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael
Gilmer
Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.


Hi Listees! :)

I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a 
semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some
of the envious collections other list members have.

So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
how many hammers do you have in your collection?

Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :

Hammer falls -

Allende
Carancas
Claxton
Gao Guenie
Holbrook
Moss
Murchison
New Orleans
Park Forest
Peekskill
Weston

Other witnessed falls -

Bassikounou
Chergach
Ensisheim
Juvinas
Norton County
Shalka
Sikhote Alin
Tagish Lake
Tamdakht
Tatahouine
Udei Station
"West" Texas
Zag
Zagami

This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
falls and hammers.  I only collect recent falls that happened
after I started collecting in late 2006.  So, basically from
Bassikounou forward is fair game.  This is an arbitrary starting
point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
line to base my fall collection on.  I am missing quite a few
recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.

As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them.  Any
meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
interested I am in acquiring it.  Claxton is awesome.  Imagine
how small a mailbox is.  Even when considering there are millions
of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a 
meteorite hitting one?  To me, that is interesting.  Peekskill
is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
circumstance.  But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)

New Orleans?  Very interesting.  First, it struck a house, but
it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
a desk.  That makes it worth collecting.  But even more interesting
is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
tattooed or sans virginity. ;)

Weston?  Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. 

I love Carancas - because it's a tease.  I would love to have a
fully-crusted, whole individual.  But who wouldn't?  It's like
Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer.  You can't
buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
teases of the meteorite world.  But we love to be teased, so these
two falls will always be favorites of mine.   Did anyone ever
find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
emanated from the Carancas crater?

Murchison?  Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type.  It also fell
on my wife's 8th birthday.  So, it's a must have.  We are fortunate
that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
got retarded about their meteorite laws.  

Allende!  Who doesn't love Allende?  If you don't love Allende,
then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
town on a rail.  Allende is Mexico's Murchison.  And unlike
Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
piece of Allende.  

Park Forest is also a favorite.  It's not just a hammer, it's a
multiple impactor.  It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
of targets.  

Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls.  What are your's?

Best regards and clear skies!

MikeG

PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
this post!  By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................




      
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From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Mon Mar  9 12:18:47 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:18:47 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
In-Reply-To: <009301c9a0d2$00c42280$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <mailman.130.1236565321.40053.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com><968793.9240.qm@web58408.mail.re3.yahoo.com><009301c9a0d2$00c42280$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <182289603-1236615557-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-240064648-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me).
Matt
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

-----Original Message-----
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.


Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
It hit a man made dirt road.
And Hosur made a hole in a road too.


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael
Gilmer
Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.


Hi Listees! :)

I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a 
semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some
of the envious collections other list members have.

So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
how many hammers do you have in your collection?

Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :

Hammer falls -

Allende
Carancas
Claxton
Gao Guenie
Holbrook
Moss
Murchison
New Orleans
Park Forest
Peekskill
Weston

Other witnessed falls -

Bassikounou
Chergach
Ensisheim
Juvinas
Norton County
Shalka
Sikhote Alin
Tagish Lake
Tamdakht
Tatahouine
Udei Station
"West" Texas
Zag
Zagami

This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
falls and hammers.  I only collect recent falls that happened
after I started collecting in late 2006.  So, basically from
Bassikounou forward is fair game.  This is an arbitrary starting
point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
line to base my fall collection on.  I am missing quite a few
recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.

As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them.  Any
meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
interested I am in acquiring it.  Claxton is awesome.  Imagine
how small a mailbox is.  Even when considering there are millions
of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a 
meteorite hitting one?  To me, that is interesting.  Peekskill
is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
circumstance.  But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)

New Orleans?  Very interesting.  First, it struck a house, but
it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
a desk.  That makes it worth collecting.  But even more interesting
is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
tattooed or sans virginity. ;)

Weston?  Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. 

I love Carancas - because it's a tease.  I would love to have a
fully-crusted, whole individual.  But who wouldn't?  It's like
Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer.  You can't
buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
teases of the meteorite world.  But we love to be teased, so these
two falls will always be favorites of mine.   Did anyone ever
find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
emanated from the Carancas crater?

Murchison?  Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type.  It also fell
on my wife's 8th birthday.  So, it's a must have.  We are fortunate
that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
got retarded about their meteorite laws.  

Allende!  Who doesn't love Allende?  If you don't love Allende,
then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
town on a rail.  Allende is Mexico's Murchison.  And unlike
Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
piece of Allende.  

Park Forest is also a favorite.  It's not just a hammer, it's a
multiple impactor.  It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
of targets.  

Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls.  What are your's?

Best regards and clear skies!

MikeG

PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
this post!  By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................




      
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Mon Mar  9 12:55:19 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:55:19 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG:  Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
Message-ID: <00b701c9a0d7$d4a47410$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>


Hmm,
honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category "hammer" had
any meaning or importance.
Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were
buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale and it
was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and
Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-)
Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category: hammers.
So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since 2-3
years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than all the
decades before.

Walter, Walter, what have you done :-)

Best!
Martin

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
mail at mhmeteorites.com
Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 17:19
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.

I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made
structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term
and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and
interest (at least to me).
Matt
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA




From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Mon Mar  9 13:00:31 2009
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:00:31 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
In-Reply-To: <182289603-1236615557-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-240064648-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <mailman.130.1236565321.40053.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com><968793.9240.qm@web58408.mail.re3.yahoo.com><009301c9a0d2$00c42280$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
	<182289603-1236615557-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-240064648-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <49B54B2F.3050308@usgs.gov>

It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied 
to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.  
Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone 
#2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.

jeff

mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me).
> Matt
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>
>
> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
> It hit a man made dirt road.
> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael
> Gilmer
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>
>
> Hi Listees! :)
>
> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a 
> semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some
> of the envious collections other list members have.
>
> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
> how many hammers do you have in your collection?
>
> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
>
> Hammer falls -
>
> Allende
> Carancas
> Claxton
> Gao Guenie
> Holbrook
> Moss
> Murchison
> New Orleans
> Park Forest
> Peekskill
> Weston
>
> Other witnessed falls -
>
> Bassikounou
> Chergach
> Ensisheim
> Juvinas
> Norton County
> Shalka
> Sikhote Alin
> Tagish Lake
> Tamdakht
> Tatahouine
> Udei Station
> "West" Texas
> Zag
> Zagami
>
> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
> falls and hammers.  I only collect recent falls that happened
> after I started collecting in late 2006.  So, basically from
> Bassikounou forward is fair game.  This is an arbitrary starting
> point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
> line to base my fall collection on.  I am missing quite a few
> recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
> Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
> are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.
>
> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them.  Any
> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
> interested I am in acquiring it.  Claxton is awesome.  Imagine
> how small a mailbox is.  Even when considering there are millions
> of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a 
> meteorite hitting one?  To me, that is interesting.  Peekskill
> is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
> Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
> occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
> circumstance.  But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
>
> New Orleans?  Very interesting.  First, it struck a house, but
> it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
> a desk.  That makes it worth collecting.  But even more interesting
> is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
> New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
> tattooed or sans virginity. ;)
>
> Weston?  Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
> phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. 
>
> I love Carancas - because it's a tease.  I would love to have a
> fully-crusted, whole individual.  But who wouldn't?  It's like
> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
> a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer.  You can't
> buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
> teases of the meteorite world.  But we love to be teased, so these
> two falls will always be favorites of mine.   Did anyone ever
> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
> emanated from the Carancas crater?
>
> Murchison?  Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
> amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type.  It also fell
> on my wife's 8th birthday.  So, it's a must have.  We are fortunate
> that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
> got retarded about their meteorite laws.  
>
> Allende!  Who doesn't love Allende?  If you don't love Allende,
> then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
> town on a rail.  Allende is Mexico's Murchison.  And unlike
> Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
> piece of Allende.  
>
> Park Forest is also a favorite.  It's not just a hammer, it's a
> multiple impactor.  It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
> of targets.  
>
> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls.  What are your's?
>
> Best regards and clear skies!
>
> MikeG
>
> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
> this post!  By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
> Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
>
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> ..........................................................
>
>
>
>
>       
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954 National Center
Reston, VA 20192, USA



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From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:03:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Really Great Auctions Ending - MUST SEE!
Message-ID: <396229.36312.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


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------------------------------------
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From darryl at dof3.com  Mon Mar  9 13:04:38 2009
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:04:38 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG:  Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
	LONG.
In-Reply-To: <00b701c9a0d7$d4a47410$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <00b701c9a0d7$d4a47410$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <1EEB6B1A-56F1-411B-807D-112163B0A13E@dof3.com>



...and kunashak is among the most beautiful of OCs.


On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Martin Altmann wrote:

>
> Hmm,
> honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category  
> "hammer" had
> any meaning or importance.
> Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were
> buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale  
> and it
> was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and
> Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-)
> Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category:  
> hammers.
> So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since  
> 2-3
> years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than  
> all the
> decades before.
>
> Walter, Walter, what have you done :-)
>
> Best!
> Martin
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> mail at mhmeteorites.com
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 17:19
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,  
> LONG.
>
> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human- 
> made
> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken  
> the term
> and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and
> interest (at least to me).
> Matt
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Mon Mar  9 13:12:29 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:12:29 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG:  Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
	LONG.
In-Reply-To: <1EEB6B1A-56F1-411B-807D-112163B0A13E@dof3.com>
References: <00b701c9a0d7$d4a47410$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
	<1EEB6B1A-56F1-411B-807D-112163B0A13E@dof3.com>
Message-ID: <00c101c9a0da$3a77bc50$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Yes, certainly, in cut faces it looks like summer clouds on a ceiling of a
Bavarian baroque church.

But one needs fullslices to see the great net of shock veins best.



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Darryl Pitt [mailto:darryl at dof3.com] 
Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 18:05
An: Martin Altmann
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
LONG.



...and kunashak is among the most beautiful of OCs.


On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Martin Altmann wrote:

>
> Hmm,
> honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category  
> "hammer" had
> any meaning or importance.
> Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were
> buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale  
> and it
> was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and
> Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-)
> Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category:  
> hammers.
> So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since  
> 2-3
> years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than  
> all the
> decades before.
>
> Walter, Walter, what have you done :-)
>
> Best!
> Martin
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> mail at mhmeteorites.com
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 17:19
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,  
> LONG.
>
> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human- 
> made
> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken  
> the term
> and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and
> interest (at least to me).
> Matt
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


From darryl at dof3.com  Mon Mar  9 13:30:13 2009
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:30:13 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG:  Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
	LONG.
In-Reply-To: <00c101c9a0da$3a77bc50$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <00b701c9a0d7$d4a47410$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
	<1EEB6B1A-56F1-411B-807D-112163B0A13E@dof3.com>
	<00c101c9a0da$3a77bc50$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <AD71959C-DC02-48A8-9CDA-944AB669BE66@dof3.com>



who might have kunashak for sale??  full slices??  wish to add "Summer  
clouds on the ceiling of a Bavarian Barogue church effect"  to the  
collection.



On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Martin Altmann wrote:

> Yes, certainly, in cut faces it looks like summer clouds on a  
> ceiling of a
> Bavarian baroque church.
>
> But one needs fullslices to see the great net of shock veins best.
>
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Darryl Pitt [mailto:darryl at dof3.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 18:05
> An: Martin Altmann
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers -  
> warning,
> LONG.
>
>
>
> ...and kunashak is among the most beautiful of OCs.
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Martin Altmann wrote:
>
>>
>> Hmm,
>> honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category
>> "hammer" had
>> any meaning or importance.
>> Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people  
>> were
>> buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale
>> and it
>> was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and
>> Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-)
>> Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category:
>> hammers.
>> So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since
>> 2-3
>> years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than
>> all the
>> decades before.
>>
>> Walter, Walter, what have you done :-)
>>
>> Best!
>> Martin
>>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
>> mail at mhmeteorites.com
>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 17:19
>> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
>> LONG.
>>
>> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-
>> made
>> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken
>> the term
>> and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning  
>> and
>> interest (at least to me).
>> Matt
>> Matt Morgan
>> Mile High Meteorites
>> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>> P.O. Box 151293
>> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> ______________________________________________
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From axelsson at acc.umu.se  Mon Mar  9 13:30:28 2009
From: axelsson at acc.umu.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Axelsson?=)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:30:28 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG:  Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
 LONG.
In-Reply-To: <00b701c9a0d7$d4a47410$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <00b701c9a0d7$d4a47410$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <49B55234.107@acc.umu.se>

The same could be said about the meteorite "coins" that seems so 
popular. I'm a meteorite collector and a coin collector but all I see is 
a way to get big bucks for cheap material, close to a scam in my view.

... but that is of course my view and my view only.
Feel free to buy expensive meteorite "coins" with all of your hard 
earned cash, I will get my true meteorites cheaper with less competition.

  :-)

/G?ran

Martin Altmann wrote:
> Hmm,
> honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category "hammer" had
> any meaning or importance.
> Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were
> buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale and it
> was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and
> Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-)
> Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category: hammers.
> So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since 2-3
> years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than all the
> decades before.
>
> Walter, Walter, what have you done :-)
>
> Best!
> Martin
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> mail at mhmeteorites.com
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 17:19
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>
> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made
> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term
> and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and
> interest (at least to me).
> Matt
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>
>
>
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From vs.petrovich at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 13:43:58 2009
From: vs.petrovich at gmail.com (Sergey Vasiliev)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:43:58 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
	LONG.
In-Reply-To: <AD71959C-DC02-48A8-9CDA-944AB669BE66@dof3.com>
References: <00b701c9a0d7$d4a47410$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
	<1EEB6B1A-56F1-411B-807D-112163B0A13E@dof3.com>
	<00c101c9a0da$3a77bc50$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
	<AD71959C-DC02-48A8-9CDA-944AB669BE66@dof3.com>
Message-ID: <e76320340903091043r7cc06b65u58d0b49e70bae796@mail.gmail.com>

I know one ;-)
http://sv-meteorites.jodoshared.com/meteorite.aspx?MetName=Kunashak
Best regards,
Sergey

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>
>
> who might have kunashak for sale?? ?full slices?? ?wish to add "Summer
> clouds on the ceiling of a Bavarian Barogue church effect" ?to the
> collection.
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Martin Altmann wrote:
>
>> Yes, certainly, in cut faces it looks like summer clouds on a ceiling of a
>> Bavarian baroque church.
>>
>> But one needs fullslices to see the great net of shock veins best.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Darryl Pitt [mailto:darryl at dof3.com]
>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 18:05
>> An: Martin Altmann
>> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
>> LONG.
>>
>>
>>
>> ...and kunashak is among the most beautiful of OCs.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Martin Altmann wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hmm,
>>> honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category
>>> "hammer" had
>>> any meaning or importance.
>>> Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were
>>> buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale
>>> and it
>>> was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and
>>> Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-)
>>> Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category:
>>> hammers.
>>> So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since
>>> 2-3
>>> years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than
>>> all the
>>> decades before.
>>>
>>> Walter, Walter, what have you done :-)
>>>
>>> Best!
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
>>> mail at mhmeteorites.com
>>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 17:19
>>> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
>>> LONG.
>>>
>>> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-
>>> made
>>> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken
>>> the term
>>> and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and
>>> interest (at least to me).
>>> Matt
>>> Matt Morgan
>>> Mile High Meteorites
>>> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>>> P.O. Box 151293
>>> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
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From almitt at kconline.com  Mon Mar  9 14:16:35 2009
From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitterling)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:16:35 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay Items in about 23 hours
In-Reply-To: <F704CEEA1328487F9719BC28E8A520F9@StarmanPC>
References: <310348.59077.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com><071501c99dbc$2e019d40$bafb3251@Inspiron8200>
	<F704CEEA1328487F9719BC28E8A520F9@StarmanPC>
Message-ID: <E9B0970013904733BAFBBB3EFF022B69@StarmanPC>

Greetings,

I have about 9 fairly large ticket items ending in about 23 hours from now. 
Two have Monig numbering on them and are great collector items from the TCU 
Collection. My last decent sized Lost City, Ok specimen (5.83 grams) at the 
lowest price I will be willing to sell it.

I also have 3 auctions ending in another two days from now so if you are 
interested in those don't miss out.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet

All my best!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites 


From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Mon Mar  9 14:52:02 2009
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:52:02 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim show, Ensisehim meteorite & other irons
In-Reply-To: <016001c9a044$b953ffc0$319f215a@Inspiron8200>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20090309191952.02974e00@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi Michael,

I am only sporadically on mail these times (some health problems) and can 
only reply now.

The Ensisehim museum has a new curator who is responsible for the display 
some other meteorites (than the 53.831 grams "King Ensisehim"). These (2 
irons) were basically gifts.

The first iron is obviously a Campo del Cielo ("old style"), kindly offered 
almost 8-9 years ago by Oscar Turone (Argentina), when he visited the 
museul for the first time.

The second iron is a gift from a dealer from Morocco. The museum 
responsible at the time does neither remember the donor's name, nor the 
iron name.

I personally did not see it yet, nor was aware about that gift. When I drop 
-soon) to the museum, I could perhaps tell you more.

NB: If somebody intends to visit the museum any time, just feel free to 
contact one of us so we can make your visit more personalized (and 
comfortable).
----------
Hi listees,

Regarding "Ensisheim 2009 show (10th anniversary), as both Jean-Marie 
Blosser ("Grand-Ma?tre" of the Confraternity) and myself are right now 
being confronted with some health problems, the show flyer is being delayed.
We will send to the List fresh news in about 2 weeks, after a local plenary 
meeting.

For those who inquired about show dates and some specific side-organized 
events, the show itself will be held on Sat June 20 and Sun June 21 
(9:30-18:00) (It ends on Sunday just before the Ste Marie show unofficially 
starts....), with the "deler's day" on Fri 19.
The Friday and Saturday parties are maintained on about the same (slightly 
improved) basis as in the past (dinner outside, served by specific 
restaurant(s)).
I will send you info on when and how to make reservations in due time. But 
yes, reservation (at least for Friday) is duly recommended.

I will also try to progressively send personalized replies to all those 
inquiring since a time.

Keep patience, this 10th edition anounces just great and....crowded!

Best to all,

Zelimir




A 00:22 09/03/2009 +0100, Michael Bross a ?crit :
>Hello list members
>
>A short message about Ensisheim.
>Being alone, I took a lot of photos, although it is quite difficult to get 
>good ones with
>the displays and busy backgrounds. But a nice small museum with 
>interesting artifacts
>from the potash mining + some very nice archeological pieces, including a rare
>"trepanated" skull.
>
>There are 2 other Iron meteorites in a display next to the famous one, but 
>with no
>information about their origin. Do you know them ?
>They are quite big also.
>I will call this week to try to get more info, Saturday it was a student 
>who took care of the museum.
>
>A bientot
>Michael Bross
>
>
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Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15


From catoni52 at sympatico.ca  Mon Mar  9 16:13:44 2009
From: catoni52 at sympatico.ca (catoni52 at sympatico.ca)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:13:44 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] What's The Deal ?
Message-ID: <COL0-F15A7EA376C1335968B7572A8A00@phx.gbl>


Greetings:
                     Having been following falls/sightings for some time, 
I've wondered the same thing. Has there been more lately?  But I kept quiet 
and said nothing.

  On camping trips, my sons and I count satellites and meteors, and do some 
amateur astronomy, as I have been doing for almost fifty years.

  We try to time our camping trips to co-incide with a meteor shower to get 
a better show.

  And in all those years, I saw only two big really bright fireballs, one of 
them during the middle of the day. (big bright green ball of light going 
across the sky right near noon-hour) Fantastic luck !!!

  But in just the past couple years I saw two more, (only at night, not 
during day) when all the previous years I saw only two. I believe that is 
just a coincidence

   But it is interesting that I am not the only one suspecting that maybe, 
just maybe... there has been more witnessed and even filmed falls  in the 
past few years. Does this represent an increase of meteoroids in our 
neighborhood ??? Some change in our area of the Solar System ??
  I don't think so.  But who knows for sure ?

  I don't know.

   It is an interesting question.

  Rob Williamson



From edwinthompson at comcast.net  Mon Mar  9 16:33:14 2009
From: edwinthompson at comcast.net (edwinthompson at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:33:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list] ad - E.T. selling a slice of Red Rock, California
In-Reply-To: <2024603979.5284481236630546492.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <222642053.5286621236630794236.JavaMail.root@sz0040a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>


Hello list members.

For those of you who collect California meteorites or for those who like to collect hard to obtain irons, I am selling a slice of Red Rock, California.  It is a handsome slice that weighs 195 grams and measures 7 mm thick x 5.3 x 7.5 centimeters  or 1/4" x 2" x 3".  One edge of the slice has exterior surface and all other edges and surfaces are cut polished and etched.  

Please contact me off list for pictures or questions.

Thank you, E.T.


From mlblood at cox.net  Mon Mar  9 17:03:49 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:03:49 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
In-Reply-To: <009301c9a0d2$00c42280$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <C5DAD245.14B5%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Martin and all,
        In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue
At length. However, the condensed version is: "A man
Made artifact, animal or human" leaves itself open when
It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt
Roads.
        It is a "personal" line one has to draw for one's self,
And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite
That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite
Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman
Road, would THAT make it a hammer?
        There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions.
They are, rather, matters of opinion.
        Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers
Other collectors have.... I believe my collection is currently
Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer
Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone
Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and
Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection
Is the "largest?" Then, I know a good number of people who
Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones
several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average
Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many
Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford).
I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer
Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in
Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them
because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500
to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end
up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen
Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but
Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...)
        Then, again, some specimens cannot be
Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis,
Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be
Considered "huge" even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized
Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger.
        So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone
Will answer for themselves.
        Best wishes, Michael


> From: Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 +0100
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
> 
> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
> It hit a man made dirt road.
> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
> 
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael
> Gilmer
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
> 
> 
> Hi Listees! :)
> 
> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a
> semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some
> of the envious collections other list members have.
> 
> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
> how many hammers do you have in your collection?
> 
> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
> 
> Hammer falls -
> 
> Allende
> Carancas
> Claxton
> Gao Guenie
> Holbrook
> Moss
> Murchison
> New Orleans
> Park Forest
> Peekskill
> Weston
> 
> Other witnessed falls -
> 
> Bassikounou
> Chergach
> Ensisheim
> Juvinas
> Norton County
> Shalka
> Sikhote Alin
> Tagish Lake
> Tamdakht
> Tatahouine
> Udei Station
> "West" Texas
> Zag
> Zagami
> 
> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
> falls and hammers.  I only collect recent falls that happened
> after I started collecting in late 2006.  So, basically from
> Bassikounou forward is fair game.  This is an arbitrary starting
> point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
> line to base my fall collection on.  I am missing quite a few
> recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
> Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
> are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.
> 
> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them.  Any
> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
> interested I am in acquiring it.  Claxton is awesome.  Imagine
> how small a mailbox is.  Even when considering there are millions
> of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a
> meteorite hitting one?  To me, that is interesting.  Peekskill
> is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
> Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
> occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
> circumstance.  But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
> 
> New Orleans?  Very interesting.  First, it struck a house, but
> it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
> a desk.  That makes it worth collecting.  But even more interesting
> is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
> New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
> tattooed or sans virginity. ;)
> 
> Weston?  Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
> phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting.
> 
> I love Carancas - because it's a tease.  I would love to have a
> fully-crusted, whole individual.  But who wouldn't?  It's like
> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
> a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer.  You can't
> buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
> teases of the meteorite world.  But we love to be teased, so these
> two falls will always be favorites of mine.   Did anyone ever
> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
> emanated from the Carancas crater?
> 
> Murchison?  Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
> amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type.  It also fell
> on my wife's 8th birthday.  So, it's a must have.  We are fortunate
> that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
> got retarded about their meteorite laws.
> 
> Allende!  Who doesn't love Allende?  If you don't love Allende,
> then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
> town on a rail.  Allende is Mexico's Murchison.  And unlike
> Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
> piece of Allende.
> 
> Park Forest is also a favorite.  It's not just a hammer, it's a
> multiple impactor.  It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
> of targets.  
> 
> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls.  What are your's?
> 
> Best regards and clear skies!
> 
> MikeG
> 
> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
> this post!  By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
> Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
> 
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> ..........................................................
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
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From element33 at peconic.net  Mon Mar  9 17:30:00 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:30:00 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
References: <C5DAD245.14B5%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <02be01c9a0fe$342be8c0$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>

Hello Listers

Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar tree...
It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites.
Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...)

Good evening everyone
Michael B

PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf 
Historic meteorites etc...



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
To: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>; "Meteorite List" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.


Hi Martin and all,
        In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue
At length. However, the condensed version is: "A man
Made artifact, animal or human" leaves itself open when
It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt
Roads.
        It is a "personal" line one has to draw for one's self,
And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite
That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite
Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman
Road, would THAT make it a hammer?
        There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions.
They are, rather, matters of opinion.
        Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers
Other collectors have.... I believe my collection is currently
Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer
Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone
Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and
Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection
Is the "largest?" Then, I know a good number of people who
Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones
several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average
Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many
Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford).
I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer
Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in
Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them
because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500
to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end
up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen
Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but
Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...)
        Then, again, some specimens cannot be
Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis,
Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be
Considered "huge" even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized
Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger.
        So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone
Will answer for themselves.
        Best wishes, Michael




From mlblood at cox.net  Mon Mar  9 17:19:19 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:19:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions
In-Reply-To: <49B54B2F.3050308@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <C5DAD5E7.14BB%mlblood@cox.net>

Jeff,
        This has been established in the nomenclature over the
Last few years as follows:

1) A "hammer" is a specimen which was part of a fall in which
one or more stones or irons struck an artifact, animal or human

2) A "hammer stone" is one of the actual specimens of the
Fall that, itself, struck said artifact, animal or human.

3) Many specimens are collected as a hammer because they
Were part of the fall but did not (or it is not know if they),
Themselves strike the artifact/animal or human.

4) Many Hammer falls had only one stone out of many strike
Something, but the other stones were all part of that one
Meteoroid prior to break up, yes?

5) Of course, a hammer stone, itself is more valuable to a hammer
Collector than merely one of the specimens of the fall (I have
10 or 11 DIFFERENT Park Forest hammer stone specimens -
Several houses, a Plymouth, a tow truck, a fire station, a baseball
Field, a fence, etc.

6) I have little interest in collecting Homestead as a hammer, except
Spcimens cut from the one stone that broke the horse corral fence.

        Pretty much, in other words, if you are a hammer enthusiast,
Ya takes what cha can git.
        Best wishes, Michael


> From: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:00:31 -0400
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
> 
> It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied
> to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.
> Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone
> #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.
> 
> jeff
> 
> mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
>> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made
>> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term
>> and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and
>> interest (at least to me).
>> Matt
>> Matt Morgan
>> Mile High Meteorites
>> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>> P.O. Box 151293
>> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>> 
>> 
>> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
>> It hit a man made dirt road.
>> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael
>> Gilmer
>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
>> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Listees! :)
>> 
>> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
>> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a
>> semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some
>> of the envious collections other list members have.
>> 
>> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
>> how many hammers do you have in your collection?
>> 
>> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
>> 
>> Hammer falls -
>> 
>> Allende
>> Carancas
>> Claxton
>> Gao Guenie
>> Holbrook
>> Moss
>> Murchison
>> New Orleans
>> Park Forest
>> Peekskill
>> Weston
>> 
>> Other witnessed falls -
>> 
>> Bassikounou
>> Chergach
>> Ensisheim
>> Juvinas
>> Norton County
>> Shalka
>> Sikhote Alin
>> Tagish Lake
>> Tamdakht
>> Tatahouine
>> Udei Station
>> "West" Texas
>> Zag
>> Zagami
>> 
>> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
>> falls and hammers.  I only collect recent falls that happened
>> after I started collecting in late 2006.  So, basically from
>> Bassikounou forward is fair game.  This is an arbitrary starting
>> point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
>> line to base my fall collection on.  I am missing quite a few
>> recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
>> Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
>> are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.
>> 
>> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them.  Any
>> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
>> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
>> interested I am in acquiring it.  Claxton is awesome.  Imagine
>> how small a mailbox is.  Even when considering there are millions
>> of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a
>> meteorite hitting one?  To me, that is interesting.  Peekskill
>> is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
>> Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
>> occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
>> circumstance.  But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
>> 
>> New Orleans?  Very interesting.  First, it struck a house, but
>> it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
>> a desk.  That makes it worth collecting.  But even more interesting
>> is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
>> New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
>> tattooed or sans virginity. ;)
>> 
>> Weston?  Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
>> phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
>> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting.
>> 
>> I love Carancas - because it's a tease.  I would love to have a
>> fully-crusted, whole individual.  But who wouldn't?  It's like
>> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
>> a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer.  You can't
>> buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
>> teases of the meteorite world.  But we love to be teased, so these
>> two falls will always be favorites of mine.   Did anyone ever
>> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
>> emanated from the Carancas crater?
>> 
>> Murchison?  Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
>> amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type.  It also fell
>> on my wife's 8th birthday.  So, it's a must have.  We are fortunate
>> that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
>> got retarded about their meteorite laws.
>> 
>> Allende!  Who doesn't love Allende?  If you don't love Allende,
>> then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
>> town on a rail.  Allende is Mexico's Murchison.  And unlike
>> Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
>> piece of Allende.
>> 
>> Park Forest is also a favorite.  It's not just a hammer, it's a
>> multiple impactor.  It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
>> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
>> of targets.  
>> 
>> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls.  What are your's?
>> 
>> Best regards and clear skies!
>> 
>> MikeG
>> 
>> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
>> this post!  By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
>> Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
>> 
>> .........................................................
>> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
>> ..........................................................
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>       
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> 
> 
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From tett at rogers.com  Mon Mar  9 17:32:57 2009
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:32:57 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG:  Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
 LONG.
In-Reply-To: <00c101c9a0da$3a77bc50$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <00b701c9a0d7$d4a47410$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>	<1EEB6B1A-56F1-411B-807D-112163B0A13E@dof3.com>
	<00c101c9a0da$3a77bc50$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <49B58B09.303@rogers.com>

Here is my 20 gram slice of Kunashak.

http://picasaweb.google.com/MikeTettenborn/Meteorites#5311303855235807298

Cheers!

Mike Tettenborn


Martin Altmann wrote:
> Yes, certainly, in cut faces it looks like summer clouds on a ceiling of a
> Bavarian baroque church.
> 
> But one needs fullslices to see the great net of shock veins best.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Darryl Pitt [mailto:darryl at dof3.com] 
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 18:05
> An: Martin Altmann
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
> LONG.
> 
> 
> 
> ...and kunashak is among the most beautiful of OCs.
> 
> 
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Martin Altmann wrote:
> 
>> Hmm,
>> honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category  
>> "hammer" had
>> any meaning or importance.
>> Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were
>> buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale  
>> and it
>> was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and
>> Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-)
>> Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category:  
>> hammers.
>> So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since  
>> 2-3
>> years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than  
>> all the
>> decades before.
>>
>> Walter, Walter, what have you done :-)
>>
>> Best!
>> Martin
>>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
>> mail at mhmeteorites.com
>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 17:19
>> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,  
>> LONG.
>>
>> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human- 
>> made
>> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken  
>> the term
>> and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and
>> interest (at least to me).
>> Matt
>> Matt Morgan
>> Mile High Meteorites
>> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>> P.O. Box 151293
>> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>>
>>
>>
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From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  9 19:21:01 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:21:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers and Extrordinary
	Claims
In-Reply-To: <182289603-1236615557-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-240064648-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <713110.17825.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


--- On Mon, 3/9/09, mail at mhmeteorites.com <mail at mhmeteorites.com> wrote:
> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit
> a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me
> that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the
> point where it has lost its true meaning and interest 
 
You forgot humans-proper , Matt

Yeppers sounds like a bunch of politicians trying to make it fit the category by exploiting every last stretched scrap of obscure "pseudo-logic". 

--just like every 3rd stone mentioned is "oriented" and just like EVERY rusty ancient Campo, Canyon Diablo and W4 NWA has fusion crust...yeppers  I ought'a write a book..

What became of the work to adopt an "orientation" scale?

Elton


From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Mon Mar  9 19:33:01 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:33:01 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers and Extrordinary
	Claims
Message-ID: <791514659-1236641608-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1314253058-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Oh yes I did forget humans, animals, bugs and microbial life forms. Also if one wants to say a hammer is one that hits a road, then why not count every farmer's field as well? Most are composed of fill material.

Trees and plants shouldn't be included either and I own the La Criolla that whacked the orange tree. But it would be nice to add 50 percent to the value....hmm...
Matt
------Original Message------
From: Mr EMan
To: mail at mhmeteorites.com
To: metlist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers and Extrordinary Claims
Sent: Mar 9, 2009 5:21 PM


--- On Mon, 3/9/09, mail at mhmeteorites.com <mail at mhmeteorites.com> wrote:
> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit
> a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me
> that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the
> point where it has lost its true meaning and interest 
 
You forgot humans-proper , Matt

Yeppers sounds like a bunch of politicians trying to make it fit the category by exploiting every last stretched scrap of obscure "pseudo-logic". 

--just like every 3rd stone mentioned is "oriented" and just like EVERY rusty ancient Campo, Canyon Diablo and W4 NWA has fusion crust...yeppers  I ought'a write a book..

What became of the work to adopt an "orientation" scale?

Elton



Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Mar  9 19:49:13 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:49:13 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
In-Reply-To: <02be01c9a0fe$342be8c0$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>
Message-ID: <20090309234913.QSQ7C.38640.root@web01-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Michael,

Check out Jeff's website here...excellent. The Sikhote video should be right up your street. Set aside 18 minutes and go back in time.  I like to think that I might have the piece of shrapnel that went straight through the huge tree that one guy illustrates by by poking a stick right through....who knows. ;-)

Graham Ensor, UK.


---- Michael Bross <element33 at peconic.net> wrote: 
> Hello Listers
> 
> Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar tree...
> It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites.
> Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...)
> 
> Good evening everyone
> Michael B
> 
> PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf 
> Historic meteorites etc...
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
> To: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>; "Meteorite List" 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
> 
> 
> Hi Martin and all,
>         In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue
> At length. However, the condensed version is: "A man
> Made artifact, animal or human" leaves itself open when
> It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt
> Roads.
>         It is a "personal" line one has to draw for one's self,
> And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite
> That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite
> Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman
> Road, would THAT make it a hammer?
>         There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions.
> They are, rather, matters of opinion.
>         Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers
> Other collectors have.... I believe my collection is currently
> Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer
> Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone
> Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and
> Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection
> Is the "largest?" Then, I know a good number of people who
> Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones
> several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average
> Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many
> Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford).
> I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer
> Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in
> Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them
> because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500
> to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end
> up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen
> Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but
> Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...)
>         Then, again, some specimens cannot be
> Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis,
> Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be
> Considered "huge" even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized
> Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger.
>         So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone
> Will answer for themselves.
>         Best wishes, Michael
> 
> 
> 
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Mar  9 19:58:56 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:58:56 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
 LONG. Forgot link..
In-Reply-To: <20090309234913.QSQ7C.38640.root@web01-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <20090309235856.5741G.38731.root@web01-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Sorry forgot the link first time...

http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/sikhote-alin.html

---- ensoramanda at ntlworld.com wrote: 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Check out Jeff's website here...excellent. The Sikhote video should be right up your street. Set aside 18 minutes and go back in time.  I like to think that I might have the piece of shrapnel that went straight through the huge tree that one guy illustrates by by poking a stick right through....who knows. ;-)
> 
> Graham Ensor, UK.
> 
> 
> ---- Michael Bross <element33 at peconic.net> wrote: 
> > Hello Listers
> > 
> > Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar tree...
> > It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites.
> > Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...)
> > 
> > Good evening everyone
> > Michael B
> > 
> > PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf 
> > Historic meteorites etc...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
> > To: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>; "Meteorite List" 
> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Martin and all,
> >         In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue
> > At length. However, the condensed version is: "A man
> > Made artifact, animal or human" leaves itself open when
> > It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt
> > Roads.
> >         It is a "personal" line one has to draw for one's self,
> > And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite
> > That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite
> > Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman
> > Road, would THAT make it a hammer?
> >         There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions.
> > They are, rather, matters of opinion.
> >         Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers
> > Other collectors have.... I believe my collection is currently
> > Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer
> > Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone
> > Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and
> > Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection
> > Is the "largest?" Then, I know a good number of people who
> > Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones
> > several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average
> > Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many
> > Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford).
> > I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer
> > Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in
> > Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them
> > because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500
> > to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end
> > up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen
> > Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but
> > Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...)
> >         Then, again, some specimens cannot be
> > Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis,
> > Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be
> > Considered "huge" even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized
> > Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger.
> >         So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone
> > Will answer for themselves.
> >         Best wishes, Michael
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
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From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  9 20:00:02 2009
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:00:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Loud boom over Westchester (N.Y.) might have been
	meteor
Message-ID: <564953.4010.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


http://lohud.com/article/20090309/NEWS02/903090340/-1/newsfront

Loud boom over Westchester might have been meteor

Thane Grauel
The Journal News 

The loud boom heard throughout southern Westchester early Saturday morning might have been a meteorite tearing through the atmosphere at thousands of miles per hour.

What people said sounded like an explosion, thunderclap or a sonic boom was heard at 12:24 a.m. People from Scarsdale, Mount Vernon, Yonkers, Tuckahoe, Eastchester and Bronxville contacted The Journal News or police.

Though many people heard the window-rattling boom, solid explanations have been harder to come by.

But Liz Holland, who lives atop a ridge in Mount Kisco, said she happened to be looking out a south window around 12:30 a.m. and saw on the horizon a brilliant yellow object streaking through the sky in a downward arc.

"It was pretty bright," she said. "It wasn't huge, but bigger than a shooting star, like a thick piece of string."

She said she made a big wish, and had been telling friends about it since.

Bill Thys of the Rockland Astronomy Club wasn't watching the skies at the time.

"I wish I was," he said yesterday, adding that the description sounded like a meteor.

"Yellow's fairly typical," he said of a fireball, with different colors following in the train.

He said there was a very good chance it could account for the sonic boom because, "certainly, it was traveling fast enough."

A sonic boom occurs when something passes above the speed of sound - 761 mph. Thys said a meteorite's relative speed hitting Earth's atmosphere - at that time of night with a tangential trajectory - would have measured in the thousands of miles per hour.

Police departments in the area received numerous calls about the noise, but police could not determine its origin. Theories from people in the area ranged from explosions aboard a freight train to noise from a county helicopter. Others said it sounded like thunder, but the National Weather Service said there were no weather conditions that would account for such a sound.



      

From dave at fallingrocks.com  Mon Mar  9 19:56:29 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:56:29 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
In-Reply-To: <49B54B2F.3050308@usgs.gov>
References: <mailman.130.1236565321.40053.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com><968793.9240.qm@web58408.mail.re3.yahoo.com><009301c9a0d2$00c42280$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><182289603-1236615557-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-240064648-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<49B54B2F.3050308@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <21E97E276C57424C86D414C37C94CF1F@meteorroom>

All,
Agreed, Jeff.  Michael's definition, though no question well considered,
leaves a lot of gray area to the unknowing buyer.  To call a specimen that
actually hit a qualifier a "hammer stone" makes perfect sense.  But to call
all of the other specimens from that fall "hammers" (see, I believe, #2 in
his list of criteria) is misleading at best (I'm not suggestion this is
intentional, mind you).  I recently pushed out the suggestion that these
other such individuals be labeled as part of a "hammer fall" recently, only
to learn that Matt (at least I think it was Matt) had already done so
perhaps years ago.  Another opportunity for IMCA -- along with the
orientation system that was discussed many months ago but must be currently
residing in the abyss -- to pursue...
All best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Grossman
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:01 PM
To: Meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.

It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied to
the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.  
Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone
#2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.

jeff

mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made
structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term
and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and
interest (at least to me).
> Matt
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>
>
> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
> It hit a man made dirt road.
> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von 
> Michael Gilmer
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>
>
> Hi Listees! :)
>
> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my 
> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a 
> semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of 
> the envious collections other list members have.
>
> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how 
> many hammers do you have in your collection?
>
> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
>
> Hammer falls -
>
> Allende
> Carancas
> Claxton
> Gao Guenie
> Holbrook
> Moss
> Murchison
> New Orleans
> Park Forest
> Peekskill
> Weston
>
> Other witnessed falls -
>
> Bassikounou
> Chergach
> Ensisheim
> Juvinas
> Norton County
> Shalka
> Sikhote Alin
> Tagish Lake
> Tamdakht
> Tatahouine
> Udei Station
> "West" Texas
> Zag
> Zagami
>
> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed 
> falls and hammers.  I only collect recent falls that happened after I 
> started collecting in late 2006.  So, basically from Bassikounou 
> forward is fair game.  This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has 
> meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall 
> collection on.  I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the 
> hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others 
> which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me 
> to afford at the moment.
>
> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them.  Any 
> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more 
> interested I am in acquiring it.  Claxton is awesome.  Imagine how 
> small a mailbox is.  Even when considering there are millions of 
> postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite 
> hitting one?  To me, that is interesting.  Peekskill is another great 
> hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been 
> more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a 
> hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance.  But until that 
> happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
>
> New Orleans?  Very interesting.  First, it struck a house, but it also 
> tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk.  That 
> makes it worth collecting.  But even more interesting is the 
> overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to 
> visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans 
> virginity. ;)
>
> Weston?  Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase 
> he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. 
>
> I love Carancas - because it's a tease.  I would love to have a 
> fully-crusted, whole individual.  But who wouldn't?  It's like 
> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a 
> whole individual, no matter how much money you offer.  You can't buy 
> what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of 
> the meteorite world.  But we love to be teased, so these
> two falls will always be favorites of mine.   Did anyone ever
> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly 
> emanated from the Carancas crater?
>
> Murchison?  Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of amino 
> acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type.  It also fell on my 
> wife's 8th birthday.  So, it's a must have.  We are fortunate that 
> Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and got 
> retarded about their meteorite laws.
>
> Allende!  Who doesn't love Allende?  If you don't love Allende, then 
> you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of town on 
> a rail.  Allende is Mexico's Murchison.  And unlike Murchison, you 
> don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent piece of Allende.
>
> Park Forest is also a favorite.  It's not just a hammer, it's a 
> multiple impactor.  It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety of 
> targets.
>
> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls.  What are your's?
>
> Best regards and clear skies!
>
> MikeG
>
> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading 
> this post!  By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured Mr. 
> Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
>
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and 
> http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................
>
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From element33 at peconic.net  Mon Mar  9 20:17:40 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:17:40 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers and
	ExtrordinaryClaims
References: <791514659-1236641608-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1314253058-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <04a101c9a115$a0284a70$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>

even the 13kg (if not mistaken) Sikhote one incrusted in the tree trunk ?
It is as "amazing" as one hitting a mail box or whatever.
At least in my mind...

In my last 2 weeks of research, I got to that old Russian Army documentary
about Sikhote discovery and searches, published on an Australian website.
I am sure most of you know it already.
A bit long and pompous... but still interesting:
http://www.meteorites.com.au/films/Sikhote-Alin%20Documentary.wmv

A bientot everyone
Michael B



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mail at mhmeteorites.com>
To: "Mr EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>; "metlist" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers and 
ExtrordinaryClaims


> Oh yes I did forget humans, animals, bugs and microbial life forms. Also 
> if one wants to say a hammer is one that hits a road, then why not count 
> every farmer's field as well? Most are composed of fill material.
>
> Trees and plants shouldn't be included either and I own the La Criolla 
> that whacked the orange tree. But it would be nice to add 50 percent to 
> the value....hmm...
> Matt 




From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Mar  9 20:39:16 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:39:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Did the Phoenix Spacecraft Find Liquid Water on
	Mars?
Message-ID: <200903100039.RAA09435@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0903/08marswater/

Did the Phoenix spacecraft find liquid water on Mars?
BY CRAIG COVAULT
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
March 8, 2009

Post-mission analysis of Phoenix Mars lander data is turning up strong
new "smoking gun evidence" that the spacecraft discovered liquid water
on the Red Planet. The data that Phoenix imaged and touched liquid water
is a stunning discovery that directly relates to the potential for
current or past life on Mars.

Aside from the direct search for life itself, it has been the search for
liquid water that could support life that has been the "Holy Grail" of
Mars exploration since the 1960s.

The discovery has historic implications far beyond the lander's earlier
finding of hard-frozen water ice. That's because as far as science knows
today, life can exist in the salty brine-like water found by Phoenix,
but it can not form in hard-frozen water also found by Phoenix at its
north polar landing site, where nighttime winter temperatures are
routinely -100 degrees F.

In an equally important finding, the Phoenix team says the data
collected indicate that such liquid water is not only at the landing
site, but likely exists currently at many locations around Mars.

The findings are compiled in a new report "The Physical and
Thermodynamic Evidence for Liquid Water on Mars." The report will be
presented March 23 at the 40th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in
Houston.

It has been signed by 22 members of the Phoenix science team and the
mission's principal investigator, Peter Smith, of the University of
Arizona, who led the U of A/Jet Propulsion Laboratory team.

It is imagery of splotches of Martian material on the spacecraft's
landing gear that moved, then merged, that convinced the nearly two
dozen Phoenix scientists that "liquid saline-water exists in areas
disturbed by the lander," says the report. This is described as "smoking
gun" evidence for the presence of liquid water at the landing site.

This stunningly significant finding of contemporary brine-like water on
surface of Mars has major implications for the potential for current
Martian life. It does not guarantee life, however, because the fluid
could be too fleeting and salty for life.

But it does also help to explain the apparently recent erosional
features seen by the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. Scientists earlier
believed all of the water carved features on Mars were created billions
of years ago? but many of those features did not fit with such old geology.

The lander data provides both thermodynamic and physical evidence for
the widespread existence of current high salt content water on Mars, say
the Phoenix investigators.

As is anything involving the potential for life on another planet, the
data will be hotly debated.

But the new Phoenix findings that have come together since the lander
ceased functioning in early November and are gaining remarkably wide
support. The science team members involved in the findings represent
laboratories and universities in Canada and Europe as well as the U.S.

Although Phoenix never directly observed liquid water in the soil or
subsurface water ice, scientists believe the material was there and was
splashed up on the landing struts by the spacecraft's descent engines at
touchdown on May 25.

Based on multiple Phoenix and other Mars data sources, the science team
says it is confident in saying "we hypothesize that liquid saline-water
is [currently] common on Mars."

Science team members say in the paper that the finding will affect
virtually every aspect of Mars research, including new Mars spacecraft
development beyond the Mars Science Laboratory rover set for launch in
2011.

"This finding has important implications for the stability of liquid
water, weather, mineralogy, geochemistry and the habitability of Mars,"
says the paper.

The primary author is Nilton Renno of the University of Michigan. The
findings also draw heavily on Ames Research Center studies by Aarn Zent.
His work found that water molecules in the Martian atmosphere condense
as thin films of water on soil particles on the ground? and in this case
on the Phoenix landing gear.

A key factor in maintaining enough unfrozen moisture in the soil to make
it habitable is the presence of perchlorate salts that greatly decrease
the freezing temperature of water.

The perchlorate found by Phoenix keeps enough of the moisture in a wet,
rather than frozen state that it could support life forms like those
found on Earth in extremely dry locations like the Dry Valleys of
Antarctica, says this and other Phoenix data to be presented at LPSC.

There is also other strong Earth- and Mars-based evidence supporting the
brine-water findings for Mars.

Such brines are just 2-10 centimeters below the surface in the
Antarctica Dry Valleys.

The rovers Spirit and Opportunity have also found evidence of such
brines from periods long ago on Mars. "And the presence of brines on
Mars is consistent with the evidence of aqueous alteration in Mars
meteorites while they were on Mars," the science team found.

"Finally, brines have a large dielectric constant that can cause
attenuation of radar signals. This attenuation of radar seems to occur
often as measured by the NASA Mars orbiters," says the Phoenix paper.

Phoenix died in November, overwhelmed by increasing cold winter
temperatures. It is unlikely, but possible, the spacecraft will come
back to life in October when sunlight is at the maximum. But engineers
doubt it because they believe Phoenix will have been encased in carbon
dioxide ice that will have snapped off its solar arrays.


From element33 at peconic.net  Mon Mar  9 20:40:00 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:40:00 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
References: <20090309234913.QSQ7C.38640.root@web01-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <04cc01c9a118$bf1bb180$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>

Hi Graham and list

Sorry ! I was sending the link to the video at almost the same time you send 
it too !
Nice, great  "coincidence" :)

I have a photo from the meteorite in the trunk, but didn't keep the website 
source to it. (what a fool)
Quite impressive (but can't send it to the list, no attachment 
unfortunately)

If you don't have it I can send it to you off list. Let me know (but I am 
sure you have it !)

If you know anybody selling a part of it, I am interested

Good evening
Michael



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Michael Bross" 
<element33 at peconic.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.


> Hi Michael,
>
> Check out Jeff's website here...excellent. The Sikhote video should be 
> right up your street. Set aside 18 minutes and go back in time.  I like to 
> think that I might have the piece of shrapnel that went straight through 
> the huge tree that one guy illustrates by by poking a stick right 
> through....who knows. ;-)
>
> Graham Ensor, UK.
>
>
> ---- Michael Bross <element33 at peconic.net> wrote:
>> Hello Listers
>>
>> Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar 
>> tree...
>> It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites.
>> Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...)
>>
>> Good evening everyone
>> Michael B
>>
>> PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf
>> Historic meteorites etc...
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
>> To: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>; "Meteorite List"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, 
>> LONG.
>>
>>
>> Hi Martin and all,
>>         In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue
>> At length. However, the condensed version is: "A man
>> Made artifact, animal or human" leaves itself open when
>> It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt
>> Roads.
>>         It is a "personal" line one has to draw for one's self,
>> And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite
>> That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite
>> Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman
>> Road, would THAT make it a hammer?
>>         There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions.
>> They are, rather, matters of opinion.
>>         Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers
>> Other collectors have.... I believe my collection is currently
>> Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer
>> Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone
>> Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and
>> Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection
>> Is the "largest?" Then, I know a good number of people who
>> Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones
>> several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average
>> Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many
>> Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford).
>> I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer
>> Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in
>> Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them
>> because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500
>> to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end
>> up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen
>> Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but
>> Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...)
>>         Then, again, some specimens cannot be
>> Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis,
>> Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be
>> Considered "huge" even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized
>> Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger.
>>         So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone
>> Will answer for themselves.
>>         Best wishes, Michael
>>
>>
>>
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From darryl at dof3.com  Mon Mar  9 20:47:35 2009
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:47:35 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
Message-ID: <3F79DA0E-289C-4C00-8FDD-BEB1499811F2@dof3.com>


Make that on the rocks....

As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented to  
have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion of a  
value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered....




From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Mon Mar  9 20:52:12 2009
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:52:12 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
References: <3F79DA0E-289C-4C00-8FDD-BEB1499811F2@dof3.com>
Message-ID: <004101c9a11a$74127c80$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single stone 
fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies of the 
affidavit.

Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera should be in 
the mix.

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought


>
> Make that on the rocks....
>
> As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented to 
> have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion of a 
> value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered....
>
>
>
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From element33 at peconic.net  Mon Mar  9 20:54:20 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:54:20 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Parry Sound,
	Ontario meteor 5MAR08 any updates on meteorite recovery?
References: <20090307010744.IG49F.931149.root@web01-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <050d01c9a11a$bfc59b30$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>

Re-Hello Graham

Being new to the list, I am a bit "overwhelmed"... sorry !
But your name rang a bell...

So thank you for your valuable answer to this question !

Btw, does anybody else have anything to say/add to it ?

Michael B


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Michael Bross" 
<element33 at peconic.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Parry Sound, Ontario meteor 5MAR08 any updates 
on meteorite recovery?


> Hi Michael,
>
> I have a small meteorite fragment from a fall in 2003 that was found 
> within yards of a beach just weeks after. It had already deteriorated very 
> badly because of the salty wet atmosphere. Pieces from further inland 
> showed hardly any weathering...so I suspect that any meteorite containing 
> nickel/iron (and most do) would not last long in salt water unless it was 
> very large, and then it would also be less likely to be washed up. I think 
> micro meteorite samples have however been recovered from sea 
> sediments....but they are not likely to have iron in I suspect.
>
> The regular meteor showers such as the Leonids have never had any 
> confirmed/associated meteorites attached to them as far as I know as they 
> are from dust trails we pass through (too small to survive). Many people 
> have tried to look at the frequency of these showers and link them with 
> meteorites with no definite success.
>
> Hope that helps...I do not know of any meteorite that has been recorded 
> being washed up on the beach...anybody else on the list know?
>
> Graham Ensor, UK
>
>
> ---- Michael Bross <element33 at peconic.net> wrote:
>> > While I have heard nothing further, the linked maps suggest whatever
>> > survived may have splashed into Georgian Bay.
>> > Mark
>>
>> Hello List
>>
>> This makes me rebound on questions I had prepared for the list
>>
>> - do you know of any occurrence of a meteorite found on a beach, coming 
>> from
>> the ocean ?
>> - if not, why ? Are they not looked for ? Or are they just not 
>> "expectable"
>> ?
>>
>> I lived many years on Long Island (NY) and remember especially the mid 
>> 90s
>> with amazing tides:
>> El Nino + Equinox tides bringing ashore from the near coastal depths,
>> shells, beautiful weathered
>> glass pieces, stones, that we usually didn't see.
>> We found a 200 years old small snail like shell at Nino time. Just lying 
>> on
>> the beach.
>> Not counting old amazing Horseshoe crab shells...
>>
>> There was also the magnificent and powerful Leonid shower from 1997 (or
>> 1996?)
>> ... some meteorites must have gone to the ocean, no ?
>>
>> I am just very curious about this.
>> Off course the found meteorites would certainly be weathered, rounded 
>> etc...
>> by their
>> stay in the salty and rough ocean... but knowing that the undersea 
>> plateau
>> is wide and
>> long and that tides can bring up elements from this plateau floors... 
>> well,
>> there might be
>> some meteorites in it...
>> Or am I totally nut to think that way ?
>>
>> And this would count for most of all coastal areas in the world.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Michael Bross
>>
>>
>>
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From darryl at dof3.com  Mon Mar  9 21:01:23 2009
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:01:23 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
In-Reply-To: <004101c9a11a$74127c80$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>
References: <3F79DA0E-289C-4C00-8FDD-BEB1499811F2@dof3.com>
	<004101c9a11a$74127c80$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>
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As it regards Venezuela's extraterrestrial hammering.....Valera is a  
two stone fall.

=======

On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Rob Wesel wrote:

> Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single  
> stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies  
> of the affidavit.
>
> Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera  
> should be in the mix.
>
> Rob Wesel
> http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
>
>
>>
>> Make that on the rocks....
>>
>> As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented  
>> to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion  
>> of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered....
>>
>>
>>
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From Impactika at aol.com  Mon Mar  9 21:19:27 2009
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:19:27 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
Message-ID: <d1e.41e89f54.36e71a1f@aol.com>

Hello,

(I really meant to stay out of that discussion, but.............)

Yes, there were two Valera stones, one hammered a cow, the other one simply 
impacted the ground.
Now, when you buy a piece of Valera, how do you know that you are getting a 
piece of the cow-killer? No blood on it, I believe.
 
And the question applies to most of the other "hammers" on the market. The 
only probable exceptions being pieces with a bit of paint, red for Peekskill or 
Worden, yellow for one of the Park Forest. The rest.....???????????
 
I just sold a very nice slice of Valera, I most certainly did not present it 
as a hammer. 
 
Just my opnion.

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
========================

In a message dated 3/9/2009 7:02:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
darryl at dof3.com writes:
As it regards Venezuela's extraterrestrial hammering.....Valera is a  
two stone fall.

=======

On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Rob Wesel wrote:

> Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single  
> stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies  
> of the affidavit.
>
> Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera  
> should be in the mix.
>
> Rob Wesel
> http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
>
>
>>
>> Make that on the rocks....
>>
>> As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented  
>> to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion  
>> of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered....
>>

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From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Mon Mar  9 21:26:27 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:26:27 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
Message-ID: <811738325-1236648413-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1628503493-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Documentation is of the utmost importance. For example, I have photos of the owner of Worden holding the piece, a pic of the garage roof and the car that was smashed. I think I still have the cancelled check!

A signed affidavit is always nice. I know Darryl Pitt provided that with every chunk of Valera he sold.

Matt
------Original Message------
From: Impactika at aol.com
Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
To: darryl at dof3.com
To: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
Sent: Mar 9, 2009 7:19 PM

Hello,

(I really meant to stay out of that discussion, but.............)

Yes, there were two Valera stones, one hammered a cow, the other one simply 
impacted the ground.
Now, when you buy a piece of Valera, how do you know that you are getting a 
piece of the cow-killer? No blood on it, I believe.
 
And the question applies to most of the other "hammers" on the market. The 
only probable exceptions being pieces with a bit of paint, red for Peekskill or 
Worden, yellow for one of the Park Forest. The rest.....???????????
 
I just sold a very nice slice of Valera, I most certainly did not present it 
as a hammer. 
 
Just my opnion.

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
========================

In a message dated 3/9/2009 7:02:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
darryl at dof3.com writes:
As it regards Venezuela's extraterrestrial hammering.....Valera is a  
two stone fall.

=======

On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Rob Wesel wrote:

> Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single  
> stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies  
> of the affidavit.
>
> Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera  
> should be in the mix.
>
> Rob Wesel
> http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
>
>
>>
>> Make that on the rocks....
>>
>> As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented  
>> to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion  
>> of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered....
>>

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From cdtucson at cox.net  Mon Mar  9 21:38:41 2009
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:38:41 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
In-Reply-To: <811738325-1236648413-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1628503493-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20090309213841.U0CI1.54161.imail@fed1rmwml28>

List, 
Carancas is a hammer that any piece you get you can be assured was an actual hammer stone. If you consider that the spring that it hit where it excavated the crater was in part man made and maintained to water livestock. 
Carl Esparza
IMCA 5829
Meteoritemax
. 
---- mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote: 
> Documentation is of the utmost importance. For example, I have photos of the owner of Worden holding the piece, a pic of the garage roof and the car that was smashed. I think I still have the cancelled check!
> 
> A signed affidavit is always nice. I know Darryl Pitt provided that with every chunk of Valera he sold.
> 
> Matt
> ------Original Message------
> From: Impactika at aol.com
> Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> To: darryl at dof3.com
> To: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
> Sent: Mar 9, 2009 7:19 PM
> 
> Hello,
> 
> (I really meant to stay out of that discussion, but.............)
> 
> Yes, there were two Valera stones, one hammered a cow, the other one simply 
> impacted the ground.
> Now, when you buy a piece of Valera, how do you know that you are getting a 
> piece of the cow-killer? No blood on it, I believe.
>  
> And the question applies to most of the other "hammers" on the market. The 
> only probable exceptions being pieces with a bit of paint, red for Peekskill or 
> Worden, yellow for one of the Park Forest. The rest.....???????????
>  
> I just sold a very nice slice of Valera, I most certainly did not present it 
> as a hammer. 
>  
> Just my opnion.
> 
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
> ========================
> 
> In a message dated 3/9/2009 7:02:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
> darryl at dof3.com writes:
> As it regards Venezuela's extraterrestrial hammering.....Valera is a  
> two stone fall.
> 
> =======
> 
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Rob Wesel wrote:
> 
> > Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single  
> > stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies  
> > of the affidavit.
> >
> > Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera  
> > should be in the mix.
> >
> > Rob Wesel
> > http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> > ------------------
> > We are the music makers...
> > and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> > Willy Wonka, 1971
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Make that on the rocks....
> >>
> >> As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented  
> >> to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion  
> >> of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered....
> >>
> 
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From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  9 21:39:32 2009
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:39:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Westchester County, New York meteor 9MAR09
Message-ID: <197449.92353.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Dear list,

  New reports of another meteor with sound and light in Westchester County, New York on March 9, 2008.

  Just posted:
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/

Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo

From GeoZay at aol.com  Mon Mar  9 22:00:55 2009
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:00:55 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <ca7.40b0fd09.36e723d7@aol.com>

this is a test...
geozay  

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From GeoZay at aol.com  Mon Mar  9 22:03:15 2009
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:03:15 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] this is a second test...do not adjust your dials. ;
	O)
Message-ID: <cb0.3b9d09b4.36e72463@aol.com>

TESTING ONE TWO THREE...PLEASE OH PLEASE  WORK....
GEOZAY  

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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  9 22:09:31 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (star_wars_collector at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:09:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions
Message-ID: <766366.23219.qm@web45615.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


I have been seeking information on the Berduc fall for quite some time but have been unable to find anything about it on the internet and it does not seem to be listed on the Met Bull... Can anyone provide me with testing information (or any available information) on this fall?

Is there a reason that its not been published on the met bull yet? There have been several falls that were published within only a few months of the date of the fall... Has the inability to easily legally obtain it played a part in this?

Thanks in advance,

Greg C.



      


From GeoZay at aol.com  Mon Mar  9 22:12:59 2009
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:12:59 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] I think I'm able to post on the meteorite list
	Finally
Message-ID: <c05.58d8f637.36e726ab@aol.com>


Okay folks...I haven't been able to  post onto the meteorite list for at 
least three years. I'm on aol and one day I  discovered that none of my posts were 
making it to the list. Several people  suggest that I send my posts in plain 
text, but to the life of me, I haven't  been able to figure out how to do 
that...until now. I accidentally stumbled onto  the solution this evening while 
trying to do something else. For those on aol  that may be having the same 
problem, this is what I did to be able to send  messages in plain text. I'm on aol 
9.1....okay try this:

In the  Send to: box, type the lists address as usual. That is:  
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Do nothing else there. Then in the  Subject: box, title your message as usual 
and do nothing else.
In the message  body area, type your message as usual. When done, highlight 
the whole message  and then "RIGHT" click. You should get a whole list of 
things to do. Down near  the bottom you should see "COMPOSE AS PLAIN TEXT".     
Click  on that and you will suddenly notice the message take on a different type. 
Then  click on your SEND NOW button and that's it. Try it...good luck.
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From felipeg36 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 22:16:08 2009
From: felipeg36 at gmail.com (Felipe Guajardo)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:16:08 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] TEST
Message-ID: <18fdccaa0903091916oe55f90wbde8ba666a4ac399@mail.gmail.com>

This a test..
Please ignore.

-Felipe

From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Mon Mar  9 22:16:11 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:16:11 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
In-Reply-To: <004101c9a11a$74127c80$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>
References: <3F79DA0E-289C-4C00-8FDD-BEB1499811F2@dof3.com>
	<004101c9a11a$74127c80$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>
Message-ID: <014b01c9a126$2f1ae250$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Yah, but we shouldn't exaggerate.
Sometimes I have the feeling, with any new fall most collectors are praying
meanwhile,
O Lord, please do NOT let it be a "hammer".
Cause then they can't afford a nice specimen anymore.

Imagine all the great showers from Maghreb, Amgala, Bassi, Chergach - for
many collectors they were the only chance to acquire a larger stone or
entire stone of a real world-class quality, which they never would be able
to pay from the other falls. 
Imagine if one of these stones would have hit something (uh my mind's eye
sees already a Bedouin with a sledge hammer in his hand in front of an old
oil barrel, telling to his fellows: hey guys, I'm a great magician. With one
move I'm able to quadruple the price of a whole meteorite shower and this
rusty barrel will be worth, as it if would be made of silver, cause the
unbelievers are stupid like bread....).
Or imagine earlier - Juancheng for instance. Great shower, great stones,
started at 2$ - and there weren't these Maghreb-falls yet, hence a great
pleasure for any collector - and of course it was always reported that it
hit huts and the pot on the stove. But reasonably nobody was thinking to ask
or to pay 10$/g or 20$/g or so because of that anecdote.

Well and most falls are recovered in populated areas, cause they are
populated. And most meteorites don't come down as a single stone. So it's
unavoidable that the hit "a thing".
And the perspective, that from now on every second new fall will be priced
at 100$ and up, because of that, is not a fine one.

Hammers are a fun, but only a fun, and the circumstances that they felt on
something, is for many, if not most collectors, of very subordinated
interest, cause meteorites tend always to fall down and to land, else they
were no meteorites.

Best!
Martin
 

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Rob
Wesel
Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. M?rz 2009 01:52
An: Darryl Pitt; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought

Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single stone 
fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies of the 
affidavit.

Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera should be in 
the mix.

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought


>
> Make that on the rocks....
>
> As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented to 
> have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion of a 
> value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered....
>
>
>
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From darryl at dof3.com  Mon Mar  9 22:17:24 2009
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:17:24 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
In-Reply-To: <811738325-1236648413-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1628503493-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <811738325-1236648413-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1628503493-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <5AB5777F-B90E-4222-BDD4-3D83D2711EBD@dof3.com>



One of the ironic details concerning Valera was the ranch owner's  
nonchalance over the event.  A physician, he reasoned that deaths  
necessarily resulted from rocks falling from the sky.  (Reasonable.)   
It was a Venezuelan astronomy professor who realized the significance  
of the event and interviewed the family and ranch hands.

  Valera's value has been compromised as a result of an initial  
inexpensive offering---an unimaginable absurdity.   (And I'm in-part  
to blame.)



On Mar 9, 2009, at 9:26 PM, mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:

> Documentation is of the utmost importance. For example, I have  
> photos of the owner of Worden holding the piece, a pic of the garage  
> roof and the car that was smashed. I think I still have the  
> cancelled check!
>
> A signed affidavit is always nice. I know Darryl Pitt provided that  
> with every chunk of Valera he sold.
>
> Matt
> ------Original Message------
> From: Impactika at aol.com
> Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> To: darryl at dof3.com
> To: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
> Sent: Mar 9, 2009 7:19 PM
>
> Hello,
>
> (I really meant to stay out of that discussion, but.............)
>
> Yes, there were two Valera stones, one hammered a cow, the other one  
> simply
> impacted the ground.
> Now, when you buy a piece of Valera, how do you know that you are  
> getting a
> piece of the cow-killer? No blood on it, I believe.
>
> And the question applies to most of the other "hammers" on the  
> market. The
> only probable exceptions being pieces with a bit of paint, red for  
> Peekskill or
> Worden, yellow for one of the Park Forest. The rest.....???????????
>
> I just sold a very nice slice of Valera, I most certainly did not  
> present it
> as a hammer.
>
> Just my opnion.
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
> ========================
>
> In a message dated 3/9/2009 7:02:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> darryl at dof3.com writes:
> As it regards Venezuela's extraterrestrial hammering.....Valera is a
> two stone fall.
>
> =======
>
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Rob Wesel wrote:
>
>> Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single
>> stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies
>> of the affidavit.
>>
>> Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera
>> should be in the mix.
>>
>> Rob Wesel
>> http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
>> ------------------
>> We are the music makers...
>> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
>> Willy Wonka, 1971
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Make that on the rocks....
>>>
>>> As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented
>>> to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion
>>> of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered....
>>>
>
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> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA


From felipeg36 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 22:19:02 2009
From: felipeg36 at gmail.com (Felipe Guajardo)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:19:02 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2nd Test
Message-ID: <18fdccaa0903091919r4f25c3c3q76d64810dc3b72d5@mail.gmail.com>

Another test..
Sorry..

-Felipe

From freequarks at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 22:33:57 2009
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:33:57 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
In-Reply-To: <5AB5777F-B90E-4222-BDD4-3D83D2711EBD@dof3.com>
References: <811738325-1236648413-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1628503493-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<5AB5777F-B90E-4222-BDD4-3D83D2711EBD@dof3.com>
Message-ID: <822da19a0903091933l6fea3619s8a357fd948e5de55@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I considered many of these same issues and besides upgrading my slice
of Valera, and I dreamed of finding the dented skull of the unlucky
cow. And here in Montana, we take our cow skulls seriously. Just look
at our state quarter.

Here's the August 2006 Accretion Desk article I wrote about Valera:

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2006/August/Accretion_Desk.htm

Best,

Martin #1



On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>
>
> One of the ironic details concerning Valera was the ranch owner's
> nonchalance over the event. ?A physician, he reasoned that deaths
> necessarily resulted from rocks falling from the sky. ?(Reasonable.) ?It was
> a Venezuelan astronomy professor who realized the significance of the event
> and interviewed the family and ranch hands.
>
> ?Valera's value has been compromised as a result of an initial inexpensive
> offering---an unimaginable absurdity. ? (And I'm in-part to blame.)
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 9:26 PM, mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
>
>> Documentation is of the utmost importance. For example, I have photos of
>> the owner of Worden holding the piece, a pic of the garage roof and the car
>> that was smashed. I think I still have the cancelled check!
>>
>> A signed affidavit is always nice. I know Darryl Pitt provided that with
>> every chunk of Valera he sold.
>>
>> Matt
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Impactika at aol.com
>> Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> To: darryl at dof3.com
>> To: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com
>> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
>> Sent: Mar 9, 2009 7:19 PM
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> (I really meant to stay out of that discussion, but.............)
>>
>> Yes, there were two Valera stones, one hammered a cow, the other one
>> simply
>> impacted the ground.
>> Now, when you buy a piece of Valera, how do you know that you are getting
>> a
>> piece of the cow-killer? No blood on it, I believe.
>>
>> And the question applies to most of the other "hammers" on the market. The
>> only probable exceptions being pieces with a bit of paint, red for
>> Peekskill or
>> Worden, yellow for one of the Park Forest. The rest.....???????????
>>
>> I just sold a very nice slice of Valera, I most certainly did not present
>> it
>> as a hammer.
>>
>> Just my opnion.
>>
>> Anne M. Black
>> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
>> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
>> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>> ========================
>>
>> In a message dated 3/9/2009 7:02:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
>> darryl at dof3.com writes:
>> As it regards Venezuela's extraterrestrial hammering.....Valera is a
>> two stone fall.
>>
>> =======
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Rob Wesel wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed, Valera is way under priced and underappreciated for a single
>>> stone fall...let alone a cow killer that is often sold with copies
>>> of the affidavit.
>>>
>>> Peekskill, Claxton, Sylacauga, maybe it's a U.S. thing, Valera
>>> should be in the mix.
>>>
>>> Rob Wesel
>>> http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
>>> ------------------
>>> We are the music makers...
>>> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
>>> Willy Wonka, 1971
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
>>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:47 PM
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Sober thought
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Make that on the rocks....
>>>>
>>>> As long as the only meteorite that has been extensively documented
>>>> to have killed an animal sells for just $10/g (Valera)---any notion
>>>> of a value-added for a hammering rests with the truly hammered....
>>>>
>>
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From zilla237 at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  9 23:20:48 2009
From: zilla237 at hotmail.com (Dean Miera)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:20:48 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Group Hunt
In-Reply-To: <494094.46282.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <COL119-W60F8CA55E4A530CFC25A37A4A00@phx.gbl>
	<494094.46282.qm@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY117-W77B76EB9BDC78BFA525B48BA10@phx.gbl>


Hello all,
 
Ruben,it was a sweet hunt for sure! Ben and Erik are eagle eyed to say the least! They tore it up. Zaya and I found four, three were complete stones. They are small....but we are very happy with them. They are our first Holbrook's! We had a blast, not to mention the great memories and new friendships formed.  Our photos can be seen on the Nugget Shooter Forum under the Forum Topic Holbrook Victory.
> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:26:08 -0700
> From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; erikfwebb at msn.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Group Hunt
> 
> 
> Thats Cool! Holbrook is always fun, Ben and Erik must have eagle eyes... But where are Dean's finds?
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Erik Fisler  wrote:
> 
>> From: Erik Fisler 
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Group Hunt
>> To: "meteorite-list" 
>> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 7:10 PM
>> This weekend a group of hunters including Nate, Dean, Zaya,
>> Bedrock Bob, my father, and I hunted Holbrook.
>> Even our friend Travis stopped by on Sunday.
>> 
>> Nate rode with us, so I had a chance to weigh his finds
>> along with ours.
>> ------------------------
>> Nate's:
>> http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view&current=N1.jpg
>> 
>> 3.4g
>> 2.2g
>> 2.1g
>> 1.3g
>> 0.9g
>> 0.7g
>> 0.6g
>> 0.5g
>> 0.5g
>> 0.4g
>> 0.4g
>> 0.4g
>> Total = 13.4g
>> ------------------------
>> Ben's:
>> http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view&current=B1.jpg
>> 
>> 5.3g
>> 2.4g
>> 2.1g
>> 1.1g
>> 1.1g
>> 0.6g
>> Total = 12.6g
>> ------------------------
>> Erik's
>> http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view&current=E1.jpg
>> 
>> 9.4g (Fragmented idividual)
>> 5.2g
>> 4.7g
>> 2.6g
>> 1.5g
>> 1.1g
>> 0.9g
>> 0.7g
>> 0.6g
>> 0.6g
>> 0.4g
>> Total = 28.6g
>> ------------------------
>> 
>> 
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From midwest at meteorman.org  Mon Mar  9 23:47:04 2009
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Timothy Heitz)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:47:04 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions
References: <766366.23219.qm@web45615.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3E2B160EA76942B3918B253DE29F881B@hal2000>

Greg,

Here is some information
http://www.meteorman.org/Arroyo_Malo_42_93g.htm

Best,
Tim Heitz





----- Original Message ----- 
From: <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:09 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions


>
> I have been seeking information on the Berduc fall for quite some time but 
> have been unable to find anything about it on the internet and it does not 
> seem to be listed on the Met Bull... Can anyone provide me with testing 
> information (or any available information) on this fall?
>
> Is there a reason that its not been published on the met bull yet? There 
> have been several falls that were published within only a few months of 
> the date of the fall... Has the inability to easily legally obtain it 
> played a part in this?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Greg C.
>
>
>
>
>
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 00:29:45 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:29:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
Message-ID: <336702.72999.qm@web110606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and weights, please do this. 
I am working on an abstract to present to MAPS and need to get this data for a strewnfield map. I have nearly 100 stones mapped and listed. It would really help get this strewnfield correct if I got data from those who have not reported in. 
Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc.
I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard numbers would let those of us working for science to report this correctly.
Anyone.......
Anyone.......

Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count and total weight. 

By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting here, the strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than the last known stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the strewnfield into the Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13 mile long strewnfield. 
I found one small 9 gram broken stone yesterday but no one I know found anything today.
Michael Farmer



From erikfwebb at msn.com  Tue Mar 10 00:41:01 2009
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:41:01 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone want to hunt...
Message-ID: <COL119-W40625C282740BF274468D4A4A10@phx.gbl>


Next week is my spring break and I can hunt any days from the 14th throught the 22nd.  Would anyone like to arrange an hunts of existing fields or hunt new areas for cold finds in California, Nevada, Arizona, or New Mexico? If so just email me at erikfwebb at msn.com  
 
[Erik]

From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 01:04:07 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:04:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Group Hunt
Message-ID: <732267.5232.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


 Erick. Nate, Dean, Zaya, Bedrock Bob, etc., and List,

  A great big CONGRATS to all of you! There really is nothing like that "first moment of discovery", is there? It truly must be something primal. And to any and all of those members who haven't (YET!) had that thrill, a VERY sincere wish that some day soon, you will.  

  Best wishes to all,
  Robert Woolard 
  









      

From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 01:48:55 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:48:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Totals
Message-ID: <315583.57661.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


List and Teddy,

  I just saw Michael Farmer's post to the List from a little earlier this evening. I think I might have been the 1st one to ask (followed shortly by Michael Cottingham) a few days ago if people would email their total numbers and finds. 

  I really want to thank ALL of those who have responded. It has made a difference, because the initial guess was around 2.5-3Kg as a TKW, but now it looks like that has doubled, at least, with the true weight at this point perhaps being even a little more. If the rest of you haven't taken the time to send your totals yet, would you please consider doing so? It really would be nice to get as accurate info as possible for the records! 

   Also a special thanks to Teddy Applebaum for his help in compiling the totals! And by the way, Teddy, please add a 31.7g stone to the totals, found by a friend of mine who is not a member of the List.

  Sincerely,
  Robert Woolard













      

From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Mar 10 01:53:37 2009
From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:53:37 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Westchester co, NY fireball - 07 Mar 09
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W40625C282740BF274468D4A4A10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C5DB4E71.63E4%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>


If anyone is planning on visiting this meteor sighting site, please drop me
an email.  I do not want to go, but I have some information.


From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 10 01:56:58 2009
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:56:58 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hammermaster
Message-ID: <SNT102-W238DE1BB436234520EA6FA2A10@phx.gbl>


Who is the official hammer master? Anne Black's skepticism was clear and refreshing. I have 37 park forest idividuals and each one has a story. 
 
How do I certify my hammers? Can I print up a nice certificate and make a few more bucks?
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From pierremariepele at yahoo.fr  Tue Mar 10 03:09:57 2009
From: pierremariepele at yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Pel=E9_Pierre-Marie?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:09:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
Message-ID: <671646.81403.qm@web23005.mail.ird.yahoo.com>


I'll add the Alby-sur-Cheran eucrite which pierced the roof of a factory in 2002 (http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=458)

Pierre-Marie Pele
www.meteor-center.com


      

From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Tue Mar 10 03:18:21 2009
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:18:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
References: <336702.72999.qm@web110606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <015701c9a150$65172100$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Any photos of the 1.7 Kg Mike, dying to see what they look like big.

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:29 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond


>
> Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and weights, 
> please do this.
> I am working on an abstract to present to MAPS and need to get this data 
> for a strewnfield map. I have nearly 100 stones mapped and listed. It 
> would really help get this strewnfield correct if I got data from those 
> who have not reported in.
> Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc.
> I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard numbers 
> would let those of us working for science to report this correctly.
> Anyone.......
> Anyone.......
>
> Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count and 
> total weight.
>
> By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting here, the 
> strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than the last known 
> stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the strewnfield into the 
> Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13 mile long strewnfield.
> I found one small 9 gram broken stone yesterday but no one I know found 
> anything today.
> Michael Farmer
>
>
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From dieter-heinlein at t-online.de  Tue Mar 10 03:29:49 2009
From: dieter-heinlein at t-online.de (Dieter Heinlein)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:29:49 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions
References: <766366.23219.qm@web45615.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B8F1FF047841430888798AADD647C404@AMD3500>

Hello Greg,

you are asking for testing information on the Colonia Berduc fall:

Well, a good way to prove the authenticity of fresh meteorite material
(at least concerning the date of the fall) is the measuring of short-lived
radio nuclides. This was done in the case of Colonia Berduc with three
specimens (already 3 months after the fall): the results indicate clearly,
that the tested material touched the Earth at or around April 6, 2008
+/- one week or two).

Can anyone provide information about the direction of the fireball??
These data are of special interest in comparison with other meteorites
that fell around this date of the year: Pribram on April 7, 1959 and
Neuschwanstein on April 6, 2002.

Regards

Dieter


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:09 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions


>
> I have been seeking information on the Berduc fall for quite some time but have been unable to find anything about it on the 
> internet and it does not seem to be listed on the Met Bull... Can anyone provide me with testing information (or any available 
> information) on this fall?
>
> Is there a reason that its not been published on the met bull yet? There have been several falls that were published within only a 
> few months of the date of the fall... Has the inability to easily legally obtain it played a part in this?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Greg C.
>
>
>
>
>
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From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Tue Mar 10 03:39:38 2009
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:39:38 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim show, Ensisehim meteorite & other irons
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20090310083212.029b3630@pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>

(Sorry if this comes twice)


Hi Michael,

I am only sporadically on mail these times (some health problems) and can 
only reply now.

The Ensisehim museum has a new curator who is responsible for the display 
some other meteorites (than the 53.831 kg "King Ensisehim"). These (2 
irons) were basically gifts.

The first iron is obviously a Campo del Cielo ("old style"), kindly offered 
almost 8-9 years ago by Oscar Turone (Argentina), when he visited the 
Regency museum for the first time.

The second iron is a gift from a dealer from Morocco. The museum 
responsible at the time does neither remember the donor's name, nor the 
iron name.

I personally did not see it yet, nor was aware about that gift. When I 
visit the museum again (soon), I'll inquire and could then perhaps tell you 
more.

NB: If somebody intends to visit the museum any time, just feel free to 
contact one of us here, so we can make your visit more personalized (and 
comfortable).
----------
Hi listees,

Regarding "Ensisheim 2009" show (10th anniversary), as both Jean-Marie 
Blosser ("Grand-Ma?tre" of the Confraternity) and myself are right now 
being confronted with some health problems, the show flyer is being delayed.
We will send you fresh news in about 2 weeks, after a local plenary meeting.

For those who inquired about show dates and some specific side-organized 
events:

1) The show itself will be held on Sat. June 20 and Sun. June 21 
(9:30-18:00) (It ends on Sunday just before the Ste Marie show unofficially 
starts....)
2) The "dealer's day" is scheduled on Fri. 19th.
3) The Friday and Saturday parties are maintained on about the same 
(slightly improved) basis as in the past (dinner outside, served by 
specific restaurant(s)).

I will send you info on when and how to make party reservations in due 
time. But yes, reservation (at least for Friday) is duly recommended.

I will also try to progressively send personalized replies to all those 
inquiring about the show since a time.

Keep patience, this 10th edition anounces just great and....crowded!

Best to all,

Zelimir




A 00:22 09/03/2009 +0100, Michael Bross a ?crit :
>Hello list members
>
>A short message about Ensisheim.
>Being alone, I took a lot of photos, although it is quite difficult to get 
>good ones with
>the displays and busy backgrounds. But a nice small museum with 
>interesting artifacts
>from the potash mining + some very nice archeological pieces, including a rare
>"trepanated" skull.
>
>There are 2 other Iron meteorites in a display next to the famous one, but 
>with no
>information about their origin. Do you know them ?
>They are quite big also.
>I will call this week to try to get more info, Saturday it was a student 
>who took care of the museum.
>
>A bientot
>Michael Bross
>
>
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Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15


From info at meteorites.com.au  Tue Mar 10 03:46:01 2009
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:01 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
In-Reply-To: <49B54B2F.3050308@usgs.gov>
References: <mailman.130.1236565321.40053.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com><968793.9240.qm@web58408.mail.re3.yahoo.com><009301c9a0d2$00c42280$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><182289603-1236615557-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-240064648-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<49B54B2F.3050308@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <444D990992254F95B2DCA011CDB973D4@JeffPC>

I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the 
list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know 
dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting 
something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here?

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.


It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied
to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.
Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone
#2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.

jeff

mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made 
> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the 
> term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning 
> and interest (at least to me).
> Matt
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>
>
> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
> It hit a man made dirt road.
> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von 
> Michael
> Gilmer
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>
>
> Hi Listees! :)
>
> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable 
> number - albeit still quite small compared to some
> of the envious collections other list members have.
>
> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
> how many hammers do you have in your collection?
>
> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
>
> Hammer falls -
>
> Allende
> Carancas
> Claxton
> Gao Guenie
> Holbrook
> Moss
> Murchison
> New Orleans
> Park Forest
> Peekskill
> Weston
>
> Other witnessed falls -
>
> Bassikounou
> Chergach
> Ensisheim
> Juvinas
> Norton County
> Shalka
> Sikhote Alin
> Tagish Lake
> Tamdakht
> Tatahouine
> Udei Station
> "West" Texas
> Zag
> Zagami
>
> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
> falls and hammers.  I only collect recent falls that happened
> after I started collecting in late 2006.  So, basically from
> Bassikounou forward is fair game.  This is an arbitrary starting
> point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
> line to base my fall collection on.  I am missing quite a few
> recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
> Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
> are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.
>
> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them.  Any
> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
> interested I am in acquiring it.  Claxton is awesome.  Imagine
> how small a mailbox is.  Even when considering there are millions
> of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite 
> hitting one?  To me, that is interesting.  Peekskill
> is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
> Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
> occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
> circumstance.  But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
>
> New Orleans?  Very interesting.  First, it struck a house, but
> it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
> a desk.  That makes it worth collecting.  But even more interesting
> is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
> New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
> tattooed or sans virginity. ;)
>
> Weston?  Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
> phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting.
> I love Carancas - because it's a tease.  I would love to have a
> fully-crusted, whole individual.  But who wouldn't?  It's like
> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
> a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer.  You can't
> buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
> teases of the meteorite world.  But we love to be teased, so these
> two falls will always be favorites of mine.   Did anyone ever
> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
> emanated from the Carancas crater?
>
> Murchison?  Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
> amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type.  It also fell
> on my wife's 8th birthday.  So, it's a must have.  We are fortunate
> that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
> got retarded about their meteorite laws.
> Allende!  Who doesn't love Allende?  If you don't love Allende,
> then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
> town on a rail.  Allende is Mexico's Murchison.  And unlike
> Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
> piece of Allende.
> Park Forest is also a favorite.  It's not just a hammer, it's a
> multiple impactor.  It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
> of targets.
> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls.  What are your's?
>
> Best regards and clear skies!
>
> MikeG
>
> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
> this post!  By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
> Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
>
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> ..........................................................
>
>
>
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From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 04:44:26 2009
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:44:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] I think I'm able to post on the meteorite list
	Finally
Message-ID: <87399.87730.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


yes?

--- On Mon, 3/9/09, GeoZay at aol.com <GeoZay at aol.com> wrote:


From: GeoZay at aol.com <GeoZay at aol.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] I think I'm able to post on the meteorite list Finally
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 9:12 PM



Okay folks...I haven't been able to? post onto the meteorite list for at 
least three years. I'm on aol and one day I? discovered that none of my posts were 
making it to the list. Several people? suggest that I send my posts in plain 
text, but to the life of me, I haven't? been able to figure out how to do 
that...until now. I accidentally stumbled onto? the solution this evening while 
trying to do something else. For those on aol? that may be having the same 
problem, this is what I did to be able to send? messages in plain text. I'm on aol 
9.1....okay try this:

In the? Send to: box, type the lists address as usual. That is:? 
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Do nothing else there. Then in the? Subject: box, title your message as usual 
and do nothing else.
In the message? body area, type your message as usual. When done, highlight 
the whole message? and then "RIGHT" click. You should get a whole list of 
things to do. Down near? the bottom you should see "COMPOSE AS PLAIN TEXT".? ???
Click? on that and you will suddenly notice the message take on a different type. 
Then? click on your SEND NOW button and that's it. Try it...good luck.
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From mlblood at cox.net  Tue Mar 10 04:39:36 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:39:36 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
In-Reply-To: <059377FE7F7145E8A277D4DBDDBFA4DC@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <C5DB7558.1553%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi all,
        Since these topics came up on both the Meteorite List
And the IMCA mailing list, I am including both in my response:
        I have been working on a book on orientation for nearly
A year or so (this topic came up on the Meteorite List MUCH
more recently than when the IMCA was formed).
        I have collected hundreds of photos and the permission of
The photographers to use them, illustrating various aspects indicative
Of orientation and have put in hundreds of hours of work on this
text, already. I consider the book to be approximately 80% done but,
Have a lower work load this semester and I am now hopeful my
book on Orientation will be released this year. I am still currently
negotiating with ASU for the use of some photos from the Nininger
publication of old on ORIENTATION.
        As for a Hammers, I have been working on that book for at
Least 3 years and am still hopeful it will be released by The
Tucson Show in 2010. I coined the term, "hammer" and will go
Into it to some extent in that test. I would hope people would have
The good taste to at least wait until the book is published before
Involving themselves in serious debate as to what the term
"means."
        Michael Blood




From info at meteorites.com.au  Tue Mar 10 05:12:48 2009
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:12:48 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
In-Reply-To: <336702.72999.qm@web110606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <336702.72999.qm@web110606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39CB412A57A64501A75829B5530588A1@JeffPC>

If I'm reading this right Mike, does that mean a 1.7kg stone was found near 
Aquilla? If so, would this (main mass?) change the name from West to 
Aquilla?

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond


>
> Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and weights, 
> please do this.
> I am working on an abstract to present to MAPS and need to get this data 
> for a strewnfield map. I have nearly 100 stones mapped and listed. It 
> would really help get this strewnfield correct if I got data from those 
> who have not reported in.
> Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc.
> I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard numbers 
> would let those of us working for science to report this correctly.
> Anyone.......
> Anyone.......
>
> Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count and 
> total weight.
>
> By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting here, the 
> strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than the last known 
> stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the strewnfield into the 
> Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13 mile long strewnfield.
> I found one small 9 gram broken stone yesterday but no one I know found 
> anything today.
> Michael Farmer
>
>
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From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 05:28:55 2009
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:28:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: who were the uncooperative secret
	searchers ?
Message-ID: <959830.51588.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
To: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:31 AM







I am going to see if i can come look this weekend ,its a 10 hour drive so i can only look on saturday unless i take monday off. i will bring my magnets lol. I stilll think the main mass fell outside the area everyone is looking in. due to wind conditions the smaller pieces should have impacted in a ne direction away from the main mass. there were 7 to m14 mph gusts down lower with winds up to 90 mph up higher in a ne direction. causing a ne to sw line for the smaller pieces. the larger pieces may be 5 to 15 miles nw of the current strewn field but i need more info? about the observed trails to be sure of the direction.
have? luck looking
Steve

--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
To: "Steve Dunklee" <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:10 AM



Steve Arnold Notkin
Thompson Phillips wesel
All are refusing to share a scrap of data
Mike

Sent from my iPhone 
Michael?



On Mar 2, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com> wrote:










?
Hi I wnat to know who not to deal with.?I also plan to go search myself? when I can get some time off work. I plan to use a powerful n60 magnetic rake instead of trying to find them by site. If you throw 100 1/4 inch washers out in your yard and try to find them by site you will find about ten of them. if you use a rake you get all of them. the n60 magnets wil pull them out of 6 inches of grass. or 3 to 4 inches of soft soil. I would appreciate any of your strewn field info for when i can search and also permissions to search. with the exception of one piece for my personal collection anything i find will be donated to universitys or schools. myb collection nis going to be donated to a university on my death. I just have not decided which one yet
have a great day
Steve Dunklee
?
?




      

From mlblood at cox.net  Tue Mar 10 05:17:20 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:17:20 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
In-Reply-To: <444D990992254F95B2DCA011CDB973D4@JeffPC>
Message-ID: <C5DB7E30.155D%mlblood@cox.net>

In the case of Carancas, there are strong indications
That a Llama and a ewe were killed by the shock
Wave upon impact. (people reported this, and when
Others expressed doubt, scientific evidence of the power
Of  the shock wave at the distance reported indicated
Non-Homo sapiens mammals were definitely succeptable
to a life threatening shock wave impact).
        Best wishes, Michael (PS There was also a large
Dirt clod that clobbered a house a couple hundred
Yards away. Apparently this "clod" had meteorite
Fragments included, as numerous small fragments
Were found around the building, though none  were
Found at that distance away from the building.


> From: Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au>
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:01 +1100
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
> 
> I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the
> list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know
> dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting
> something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
> 
> 
> It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied
> to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.
> Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone
> #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.
> 
> jeff
> 
> mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
>> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made
>> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the
>> term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning
>> and interest (at least to me).
>> Matt
>> Matt Morgan
>> Mile High Meteorites
>> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>> P.O. Box 151293
>> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>> 
>> 
>> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
>> It hit a man made dirt road.
>> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
>> Michael
>> Gilmer
>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
>> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Listees! :)
>> 
>> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
>> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable
>> number - albeit still quite small compared to some
>> of the envious collections other list members have.
>> 
>> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
>> how many hammers do you have in your collection?
>> 
>> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
>> 
>> Hammer falls -
>> 
>> Allende
>> Carancas
>> Claxton
>> Gao Guenie
>> Holbrook
>> Moss
>> Murchison
>> New Orleans
>> Park Forest
>> Peekskill
>> Weston
>> 
>> Other witnessed falls -
>> 
>> Bassikounou
>> Chergach
>> Ensisheim
>> Juvinas
>> Norton County
>> Shalka
>> Sikhote Alin
>> Tagish Lake
>> Tamdakht
>> Tatahouine
>> Udei Station
>> "West" Texas
>> Zag
>> Zagami
>> 
>> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
>> falls and hammers.  I only collect recent falls that happened
>> after I started collecting in late 2006.  So, basically from
>> Bassikounou forward is fair game.  This is an arbitrary starting
>> point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
>> line to base my fall collection on.  I am missing quite a few
>> recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
>> Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
>> are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.
>> 
>> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them.  Any
>> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
>> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
>> interested I am in acquiring it.  Claxton is awesome.  Imagine
>> how small a mailbox is.  Even when considering there are millions
>> of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite
>> hitting one?  To me, that is interesting.  Peekskill
>> is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
>> Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
>> occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
>> circumstance.  But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
>> 
>> New Orleans?  Very interesting.  First, it struck a house, but
>> it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
>> a desk.  That makes it worth collecting.  But even more interesting
>> is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
>> New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
>> tattooed or sans virginity. ;)
>> 
>> Weston?  Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
>> phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
>> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting.
>> I love Carancas - because it's a tease.  I would love to have a
>> fully-crusted, whole individual.  But who wouldn't?  It's like
>> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
>> a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer.  You can't
>> buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
>> teases of the meteorite world.  But we love to be teased, so these
>> two falls will always be favorites of mine.   Did anyone ever
>> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
>> emanated from the Carancas crater?
>> 
>> Murchison?  Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
>> amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type.  It also fell
>> on my wife's 8th birthday.  So, it's a must have.  We are fortunate
>> that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
>> got retarded about their meteorite laws.
>> Allende!  Who doesn't love Allende?  If you don't love Allende,
>> then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
>> town on a rail.  Allende is Mexico's Murchison.  And unlike
>> Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
>> piece of Allende.
>> Park Forest is also a favorite.  It's not just a hammer, it's a
>> multiple impactor.  It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
>> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
>> of targets.
>> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls.  What are your's?
>> 
>> Best regards and clear skies!
>> 
>> MikeG
>> 
>> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
>> this post!  By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
>> Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
>> 
>> .........................................................
>> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
>> ..........................................................
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Tue Mar 10 05:43:09 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:43:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 10,
	2009
Message-ID: <23436922.352701236678189883.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>


http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_10_2009.html


From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 08:36:09 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:36:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
In-Reply-To: <444D990992254F95B2DCA011CDB973D4@JeffPC>
Message-ID: <536980.95232.qm@web55207.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


I seem to recall that some stones hit some rooftops.
Elton


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au> wrote:

> From: Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 3:46 AM
> I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why
> Carancas is on the 
> list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which
> hit the ground. I know 
> dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another
> mass hitting 
> something man-made. Can someone please correct me if
> I'm wrong here?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> To: "Meteorite-list"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers -
> warning, LONG.
> 
> 
> It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer"
> should only be applied
> to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire
> shower.
> Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a
> roof, but stone
> #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some
> grass.
> 
> jeff
> 
> mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
> > I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs
> to hit a human-made 
> > structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that
> many have taken the 
> > term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost
> its true meaning 
> > and interest (at least to me).
> > Matt
> > Matt Morgan
> > Mile High Meteorites
> > http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> > P.O. Box 151293
> > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Martin Altmann"
> <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> >
> > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To:
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and
> Hammers - warning, LONG.
> >
> >
> > Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
> > It hit a man made dirt road.
> > And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
> >
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]
> Im Auftrag von 
> > Michael
> > Gilmer
> > Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
> > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers
> - warning, LONG.
> >
> >
> > Hi Listees! :)
> >
> > I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I
> noticed that my
> > collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing
> to a semi-respectable 
> > number - albeit still quite small compared to some
> > of the envious collections other list members have.
> >
> > So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed
> falls and
> > how many hammers do you have in your collection?
> >
> > Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
> >
> > Hammer falls -
> >
> > Allende
> > Carancas
> > Claxton
> > Gao Guenie
> > Holbrook
> > Moss
> > Murchison
> > New Orleans
> > Park Forest
> > Peekskill
> > Weston
> >
> > Other witnessed falls -
> >
> > Bassikounou
> > Chergach
> > Ensisheim
> > Juvinas
> > Norton County
> > Shalka
> > Sikhote Alin
> > Tagish Lake
> > Tamdakht
> > Tatahouine
> > Udei Station
> > "West" Texas
> > Zag
> > Zagami
> >
> > This is only the beginning of my obsession with
> certain witnessed
> > falls and hammers.  I only collect recent falls that
> happened
> > after I started collecting in late 2006.  So,
> basically from
> > Bassikounou forward is fair game.  This is an
> arbitrary starting
> > point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm
> boundary
> > line to base my fall collection on.  I am missing
> quite a few
> > recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like
> Cali, Berduc,
> > Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the
> market or
> > are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.
> >
> > As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting
> them.  Any
> > meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game
> and I want it.
> > The more interesting the story behind a given hammer,
> the more
> > interested I am in acquiring it.  Claxton is awesome. 
> Imagine
> > how small a mailbox is.  Even when considering there
> are millions
> > of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances
> of a meteorite 
> > hitting one?  To me, that is interesting.  Peekskill
> > is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu.
> Of course,
> > Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had
> struck an
> > occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some
> other exceptional
> > circumstance.  But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu
> will suffice. ;)
> >
> > New Orleans?  Very interesting.  First, it struck a
> house, but
> > it also tore a path of destruction through the house,
> destroying
> > a desk.  That makes it worth collecting.  But even
> more interesting
> > is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only
> visitor to
> > New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk,
> drugged,
> > tattooed or sans virginity. ;)
> >
> > Weston?  Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered
> the famous
> > phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee
> professors didn't lie.
> > Anything that make a founding father look dense is
> worth collecting.
> > I love Carancas - because it's a tease.  I would
> love to have a
> > fully-crusted, whole individual.  But who
> wouldn't?  It's like
> > Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you
> aren't getting
> > a whole individual, no matter how much money you
> offer.  You can't
> > buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine
> are the two
> > teases of the meteorite world.  But we love to be
> teased, so these
> > two falls will always be favorites of mine.   Did
> anyone ever
> > find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that
> supposedly
> > emanated from the Carancas crater?
> >
> > Murchison?  Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a
> bumper crop of
> > amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. 
> It also fell
> > on my wife's 8th birthday.  So, it's a must
> have.  We are fortunate
> > that Murch happened before the Australians lost all
> good sense and
> > got retarded about their meteorite laws.
> > Allende!  Who doesn't love Allende?  If you
> don't love Allende,
> > then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should
> be run out of
> > town on a rail.  Allende is Mexico's Murchison. 
> And unlike
> > Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house
> to own a decent
> > piece of Allende.
> > Park Forest is also a favorite.  It's not just a
> hammer, it's a
> > multiple impactor.  It's arguably one of the most
> prolific hammers.
> > Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a
> wide variety
> > of targets.
> > Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and
> falls.  What are your's?
> >
> > Best regards and clear skies!
> >
> > MikeG
> >
> > PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I
> know it reading
> > this post!  By putting "hammers" in the
> title, I have ensured
> > Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
> >
> >
> .........................................................
> > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> > Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
> http://www.glassthrower.com
> >
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From mpg444 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 09:36:41 2009
From: mpg444 at yahoo.com (Mike Groetz)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:36:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Second loud boom rattles windows in NY suburb
Message-ID: <837595.54035.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


List-
   Maybe we can just get a bucket and hold it out at arm's length (HA!).
   Makes the first report seem a little less reliable had they not seen the trail.
Mike

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--bigboom0310mar10,0,6100808.story

Second loud boom rattles windows in NY suburb
March 10, 2009 

NANUET, N.Y. - There's been another loud "boom." This time it rattled windows in parts of Rockland County. 

Nanuet resident Keith Wallenstein said the mysterious noise woke him up at about 5:15 Monday morning and sounded like someone had flown an F-16 over his house. 

An earlier loud "boom" heard in Westchester County early Saturday might have been a meteorite. 

Police and The Journal News got a flurry of reports from people in Scarsdale, Mount Vernon, Yonkers, Tuckahoe, Eastchester and Bronxville. 

Weather officials say there was no thunder in the area at the time. 

Liz Holland of Mount Kisco says she was looking out her window around 12:30 a.m. Saturday. She saw a brilliant yellow object streaking through the sky. 

An official from the Rockland Astronomy Club says yellow is a typical color for a meteorite. 





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Information from: The Journal News, http://www.thejournalnews.com 





      

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 09:44:53 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:44:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
Message-ID: <73481.56630.qm@web110601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


I would not think so. There is a hammerstone that bounced
Off a roof in west. I said near aquilla not in aquilla.
Mike

Sent from my iPhone
Michael 


On Mar 10, 2009, at 4:12 AM, "Jeff Kuyken" <info at meteorites.com.au> wrote:

If I'm reading this right Mike, does that mean a 1.7kg stone was found near Aquilla? If so, would this (main mass?) change the name from West to Aquilla?

Cheers,

Jeff


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Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond



Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and weights, please do this.
I am working on an abstract to present to MAPS and need to get this data for a strewnfield map. I have nearly 100 stones mapped and listed. It would really help get this strewnfield correct if I got data from those who have not reported in.
Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc.
I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard numbers would let those of us working for science to report this correctly.
Anyone.......
Anyone.......

Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count and total weight.

By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting here, the strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than the last known stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the strewnfield into the Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13 mile long strewnfield.
I found one small 9 gram broken stone yesterday but no one I know found anything today.
Michael Farmer


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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 09:49:53 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:49:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions
Message-ID: <507508.3383.qm@web110605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Berduc was headins from east- southeast to west- northwest from
Uruguay into Argentina

Sent from my iPhone
Michael 


On Mar 10, 2009, at 2:29 AM, "Dieter Heinlein" <dieter-heinlein at t-online.de> wrote:

Hello Greg,

you are asking for testing information on the Colonia Berduc fall:

Well, a good way to prove the authenticity of fresh meteorite material
(at least concerning the date of the fall) is the measuring of short-lived
radio nuclides. This was done in the case of Colonia Berduc with three
specimens (already 3 months after the fall): the results indicate clearly,
that the tested material touched the Earth at or around April 6, 2008
+/- one week or two).

Can anyone provide information about the direction of the fireball??
These data are of special interest in comparison with other meteorites
that fell around this date of the year: Pribram on April 7, 1959 and
Neuschwanstein on April 6, 2002.

Regards

Dieter


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Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions



I have been seeking information on the Berduc fall for quite some time but have been unable to find anything about it on the internet and it does not seem to be listed on the Met Bull... Can anyone provide me with testing information (or any available information) on this fall?

Is there a reason that its not been published on the met bull yet? There have been several falls that were published within only a few months of the date of the fall... Has the inability to easily legally obtain it played a part in this?

Thanks in advance,

Greg C.





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From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Tue Mar 10 09:55:12 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:55:12 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Totals
Message-ID: <44456139-1236693338-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1999995185-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I didn't find any. Bought a few, two of which were not counted. Those were 11.5g and 15g.
Matt
------Original Message------
From: Robert Woolard
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ReplyTo: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Totals
Sent: Mar 9, 2009 11:48 PM


List and Teddy,

  I just saw Michael Farmer's post to the List from a little earlier this evening. I think I might have been the 1st one to ask (followed shortly by Michael Cottingham) a few days ago if people would email their total numbers and finds. 

  I really want to thank ALL of those who have responded. It has made a difference, because the initial guess was around 2.5-3Kg as a TKW, but now it looks like that has doubled, at least, with the true weight at this point perhaps being even a little more. If the rest of you haven't taken the time to send your totals yet, would you please consider doing so? It really would be nice to get as accurate info as possible for the records! 

   Also a special thanks to Teddy Applebaum for his help in compiling the totals! And by the way, Teddy, please add a 31.7g stone to the totals, found by a friend of mine who is not a member of the List.

  Sincerely,
  Robert Woolard













      
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From midwest at meteorman.org  Tue Mar 10 10:01:58 2009
From: midwest at meteorman.org (Timothy Heitz)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:01:58 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
References: <mailman.130.1236565321.40053.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com><968793.9240.qm@web58408.mail.re3.yahoo.com><009301c9a0d2$00c42280$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><182289603-1236615557-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-240064648-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><49B54B2F.3050308@usgs.gov>
	<444D990992254F95B2DCA011CDB973D4@JeffPC>
Message-ID: <4A67669FB72F48F8B1E7061589B42AD6@hal2000>

The meteorite penetrated the roof of this house
http://www.meteorman.org/Carancas.htm


Regards,
Tim Heitz






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From: "Jeff Kuyken" <info at meteorites.com.au>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.


I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the
list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know
dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting
something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here?

Cheers,

Jeff


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From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.


It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied
to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.
Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone
#2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.

jeff

mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made 
> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the 
> term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning 
> and interest (at least to me).
> Matt
> Matt Morgan
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> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
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> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>
>
> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
> It hit a man made dirt road.
> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von 
> Michael
> Gilmer
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>
>
> Hi Listees! :)
>
> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable 
> number - albeit still quite small compared to some
> of the envious collections other list members have.
>
> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
> how many hammers do you have in your collection?
>
> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
>
> Hammer falls -
>
> Allende
> Carancas
> Claxton
> Gao Guenie
> Holbrook
> Moss
> Murchison
> New Orleans
> Park Forest
> Peekskill
> Weston
>
> Other witnessed falls -
>
> Bassikounou
> Chergach
> Ensisheim
> Juvinas
> Norton County
> Shalka
> Sikhote Alin
> Tagish Lake
> Tamdakht
> Tatahouine
> Udei Station
> "West" Texas
> Zag
> Zagami
>
> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
> falls and hammers.  I only collect recent falls that happened
> after I started collecting in late 2006.  So, basically from
> Bassikounou forward is fair game.  This is an arbitrary starting
> point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
> line to base my fall collection on.  I am missing quite a few
> recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
> Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
> are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.
>
> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them.  Any
> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
> interested I am in acquiring it.  Claxton is awesome.  Imagine
> how small a mailbox is.  Even when considering there are millions
> of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite 
> hitting one?  To me, that is interesting.  Peekskill
> is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
> Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
> occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
> circumstance.  But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
>
> New Orleans?  Very interesting.  First, it struck a house, but
> it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
> a desk.  That makes it worth collecting.  But even more interesting
> is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
> New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
> tattooed or sans virginity. ;)
>
> Weston?  Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
> phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting.
> I love Carancas - because it's a tease.  I would love to have a
> fully-crusted, whole individual.  But who wouldn't?  It's like
> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
> a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer.  You can't
> buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
> teases of the meteorite world.  But we love to be teased, so these
> two falls will always be favorites of mine.   Did anyone ever
> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
> emanated from the Carancas crater?
>
> Murchison?  Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
> amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type.  It also fell
> on my wife's 8th birthday.  So, it's a must have.  We are fortunate
> that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
> got retarded about their meteorite laws.
> Allende!  Who doesn't love Allende?  If you don't love Allende,
> then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
> town on a rail.  Allende is Mexico's Murchison.  And unlike
> Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
> piece of Allende.
> Park Forest is also a favorite.  It's not just a hammer, it's a
> multiple impactor.  It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
> of targets.
> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls.  What are your's?
>
> Best regards and clear skies!
>
> MikeG
>
> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
> this post!  By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
> Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
>
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> ..........................................................
>
>
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Tue Mar 10 10:14:08 2009
From: gmhupe at htn.net (gmhupe at htn.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:14:08 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
Message-ID: <930fd37eff5c4fc084ec2fb9fbfa6ac8.gmhupe@htn.net>

Hi Rob,

I have a few photos of it but it is on my digital camera and have no way to email them until I return home.  I 
don't know when that will happen yet, but will send when I can.


Best regards,
Greg Hupe




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>From    : Rob Wesel[mailto:rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com]
Sent    : 3/10/2009 3:18:21 AM
To      : meteoriteguy at yahoo.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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Subject : RE: Re: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond

 Any photos of the 1.7 Kg Mike, dying to see what they look like big.

Rob Wesel
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>
> Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and weights, 
> please do this.
> I am working on an abstract to present to MAPS and need to get this data 
> for a strewnfield map. I have nearly 100 stones mapped and listed. It 
> would really help get this strewnfield correct if I got data from those 
> who have not reported in.
> Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc.
> I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard numbers 
> would let those of us working for science to report this correctly.
> Anyone.......
> Anyone.......
>
> Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count and 
> total weight.
>
> By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting here, the 
> strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than the last known 
> stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the strewnfield into the 
> Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13 mile long strewnfield.
> I found one small 9 gram broken stone yesterday but no one I know found 
> anything today.
> Michael Farmer
>
>
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Tue Mar 10 10:18:00 2009
From: gmhupe at htn.net (gmhupe at htn.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:18:00 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Re:  Updated west totals
Message-ID: <bb2d8c6a757b41bf9afcbcacd294836f.gmhupe@htn.net>

I received this email from Steve so I thought I would forward it for him. Don't think 
the "previous fall" relates to West...

>
 Lesa Lambert and Steve Dunklee found  0.45 grams of west and one .8 gram chondrite from an 
previous fall.
Cheers
Steve
<

--- On Sun, 3/8/09, gmhupe at htn.net <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:


From: gmhupe at htn.net <gmhupe at htn.net>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Updated west totals
To: tiapplebaum at gmail.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:45 PM


Hi Teddy,

Thank you for the West totals. I had actually posted my total finds and combined weight to the 
List a few days ago. I found 12 stones totaling 268 grams.

Best regards,
Greg Hupe




------- Original Message -------
>From    : teddy applebaum[mailto:tiapplebaum at gmail.com]
Sent    : 3/8/2009 6:28:36 PM
To      : meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc      : 
Subject : RE: [meteorite-list] Updated west totals

Hi list

A few list members pointed out some totals I missed, and also a few
more gave me up to date info on their totals (thanks!) so I
 included
this new information in the revised totals below. If anyone sends me
new info I will add it to the totals.

Rob Wesel: 9 stones, total: 255 g
Ruben Garcia: 15 stones? total: unknown  (12.6g)
Patrick Thompson: 15 stones total: unknown
Mike Bandli: 6 stones, total:  53.715g
Micheal Cottingham: 18 stones, total: 286g
Micheal Farmer: 23 stones, total: 531.6
Greg Hupe: at least 1 stone, total: unknown (50g)
Eric Wichman: 1 stone, total: 6.7 grams
Jim Baxter 5.9g: from mike farmer
Robert Woolard: and son 7 stones, total: 407 grams
James Phillips: 4 stones, total: 36.3
Geoff Notkin: at least 13 stones, total: unknown (18.8g)
Mike Miller: 8 stones totaling: 365g (212g)
Del Waterbury: 5 stones totaling: 75.3g     (8g, 5,6g, 5.2g, 5.5g, 51g,)
Mike Morgan: 1 stone total: 13g
Keith and Dana Jenkerson: 4 stones, total: unknown
Mexico Doug and Rob Matson, Demi and
 Sergey: 12 stones, total: 280g+

Totals: 98 stones with known weights = 2396.915g  + at least 46 other
known stones lacking weights + unknown numbers from these hunters:

Jim Schade
Sonny Clary
John Sinclair
Steve Arnold
Shauna Russel
Robert Ward
Gary Curtiss
Matt Morgan

The 98 stones with known weights = 2396.915g, which averages out to
24.46g per stone.
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From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 10:21:27 2009
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:21:27 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Westchester co, NY fireball - 07 Mar 09
In-Reply-To: <C5DB4E71.63E4%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <COL119-W40625C282740BF274468D4A4A10@phx.gbl>
	<C5DB4E71.63E4%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <468bf6050903100721r5ee8c809ufaa28fefa029e744@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Marc I think if your information is about a possible fall, then we
would all like to hear about it. I know there is a growing number of
new fireball chasers out there. But if it does turn out to be a
meteorite producing event the more info there is for the collectors
the better. Just my opinion.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Fries, Marc D
<marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> If anyone is planning on visiting this meteor sighting site, please drop me
> an email. ?I do not want to go, but I have some information.
>
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From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Tue Mar 10 10:44:20 2009
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:44:20 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
In-Reply-To: <mailman.35.1236675176.92963.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.35.1236675176.92963.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <49B67CC4.6050609@meteoritewatch.com>

Any photos of the 1.7 kilo stone? in-situ maybe?

Eric


Subject:
[meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
From:
Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
Date:
Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:29:45 -0700 (PDT)

To:
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com


Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and weights, please do this. 
I am working on an abstract to present to MAPS and need to get this data for a strewnfield map. I have nearly 100 stones mapped and listed. It would really help get this strewnfield correct if I got data from those who have not reported in. 
Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc.
I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard numbers would let those of us working for science to report this correctly.
Anyone.......
Anyone.......

Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count and total weight. 

By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting here, the strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than the last known stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the strewnfield into the Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13 mile long strewnfield. 
I found one small 9 gram broken stone yesterday but no one I know found anything today.
Michael Farmer






From darryl at dof3.com  Tue Mar 10 10:48:36 2009
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:48:36 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Building Busters and Meteorite Stew
In-Reply-To: <002a01c9a18b$dba6af30$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <059377FE7F7145E8A277D4DBDDBFA4DC@meteorroom>
	<002a01c9a18b$dba6af30$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <7D618414-A571-4DA8-8E52-E512A6B30A20@dof3.com>



One of my favorite building-busters is Juancheng.  The roofs of  
several homes were pucntured and in one instance a meteorite went  
right into a pot in which a meal was being prepared.  It was reported  
that this specimen, (like most of the larger specimens), was part of  
the largesse provided to a local Communist Party officials to curry  
favor.




From mikewren at gilanet.com  Tue Mar 10 10:54:28 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:54:28 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
In-Reply-To: <49B67CC4.6050609@meteoritewatch.com>
References: <mailman.35.1236675176.92963.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<49B67CC4.6050609@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <1B7EA423-7EA5-44F6-83D3-5B9BAB52B617@gilanet.com>

Hello,

probably not, since a farmer plowing a field found it, picked it up.  
and then called our Farmer! At least that is what I was told.

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham
On Mar 10, 2009, at 7:44 AM, Eric Wichman wrote:

> Any photos of the 1.7 kilo stone? in-situ maybe?
>
> Eric
>
>
> Subject:
> [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
> From:
> Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Date:
> Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:29:45 -0700 (PDT)
>
> To:
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
>
> Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and  
> weights, please do this. I am working on an abstract to present to  
> MAPS and need to get this data for a strewnfield map. I have nearly  
> 100 stones mapped and listed. It would really help get this  
> strewnfield correct if I got data from those who have not reported  
> in. Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc.
> I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard  
> numbers would let those of us working for science to report this  
> correctly.
> Anyone.......
> Anyone.......
>
> Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count  
> and total weight.
> By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting  
> here, the strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than  
> the last known stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the  
> strewnfield into the Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13  
> mile long strewnfield. I found one small 9 gram broken stone  
> yesterday but no one I know found anything today.
> Michael Farmer
>
>
>
>
>
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From anitawestlake at att.net  Tue Mar 10 10:57:17 2009
From: anitawestlake at att.net (Anita Westlake)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:57:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] This is Only a Test
Message-ID: <831144.36731.qm@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


Trying to get back on the list!

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 11:21:49 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:21:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re : Carancas a hammer?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.36.1236675176.92963.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <437727.79806.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi Jeff,

Someone please correct me if I am wrong here - but I recall reading
somewhere that fragments of Carancas landed on a building.  If this
is true, then it's a hammer fall.

???

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................



      

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 11:24:11 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:24:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hammers & Orientation (Michael Blood)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.36.1236675176.92963.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <86047.2119.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi Michael,

I collect small oriented UNWA stones.  Out of several, I have 2
standouts that exhibit classic orientation.  One is a bullet and
the other is a nosecone.  You are welcome to use photos of them if
you wish.  Contact me offlist if interested.

Best regards,

MikeG


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................


------------------------------

Message: 15
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:39:36 -0700
From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
To: <dave at fallingrocks.com>, <imca at imcamail.de>,    Meteorite List
    <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <C5DB7558.1553%mlblood at cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"

Hi all,
        Since these topics came up on both the Meteorite List
And the IMCA mailing list, I am including both in my response:
        I have been working on a book on orientation for nearly
A year or so (this topic came up on the Meteorite List MUCH
more recently than when the IMCA was formed).
        I have collected hundreds of photos and the permission of
The photographers to use them, illustrating various aspects indicative
Of orientation and have put in hundreds of hours of work on this
text, already. I consider the book to be approximately 80% done but,
Have a lower work load this semester and I am now hopeful my
book on Orientation will be released this year. I am still currently
negotiating with ASU for the use of some photos from the Nininger
publication of old on ORIENTATION.
        As for a Hammers, I have been working on that book for at
Least 3 years and am still hopeful it will be released by The
Tucson Show in 2010. I coined the term, "hammer" and will go
Into it to some extent in that test. I would hope people would have
The good taste to at least wait until the book is published before
Involving themselves in serious debate as to what the term
"means."
        Michael Blood




      

From geoking at notkin.net  Tue Mar 10 11:40:04 2009
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:40:04 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
In-Reply-To: <959830.51588.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <959830.51588.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <67754000-E571-4751-878A-BA072028C002@notkin.net>

Michael Farmer wrote:

> Steve Arnold Notkin
> Thompson Phillips wesel
> All are refusing to share a scrap of data
> Mike


Mike:

I suggest you get your facts straight before you start accusing my  
team mates of anything.

Rob Wesel, Patrick Thompson, Ruben Garica, Jason Philips, Mike Miller,  
Steve Arnold, John Sinclair and myself have all already provided our  
find numbers and weights to Teddy. I'm sure other numbers will be  
forthcoming when the finders are comfortable with it.

As mentioned earlier on the List, we took several guys out with us who  
found their first meteorite on this trip. We also hunted with some of  
our gracious landowners and showed them how to find meteorites on  
their own property, and asked them to let us know if they turned up  
anything in future. As such, I will not have the great group of people  
I was hunting with portrayed on the List as "uncooperative secret  
searchers." I notice that your team members Robert and Shauna did not  
have their totals posted on Teddy's list. Maybe you could devote your  
energy to collecting data from your own people before complaining  
about anyone else.

It's excellent that detailed find data is being compiled on this fall.  
This may be the most accurate strewnfield data collected in the US  
since Jim Kriegh, Twink Monrad, John Blennert and friends mapped Gold  
Basin in the 1990s. And it would be even better if we could get along  
while doing it, without pointing fingers.


Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.meteoriteblog.org

From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Tue Mar 10 12:34:55 2009
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:34:55 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD- More West available.
Message-ID: <7217293ff64b47e49072c52a16e8808b@ucv1.vhostdns.com>

First, I now have a new website "Out of a Blue Sky" outofabluesky.com where I'll put up material from my expeditions.

Second, I am letting go of 2 more West specimens. 16 and 30g. I earned these after suffering poison oak, and pulling off ticks every day.
http://www.outofabluesky.com/index.php?option=com_jportfolio&cat=4&project=46&Itemid=58

-mt
IMCA 2760



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Mar 10 12:37:22 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:37:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Satellite Debris Begins to Reenter Earth's
	Atmosphere
Message-ID: <200903101637.JAA07539@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Space Weather News for March 10, 2009
http://spaceweather.com

SATELLITE DEBRIS UPDATE: The first catalogued fragments of 
shattered satellite Cosmos 2251 are about to reenter Earth's 
atmosphere. According to US Strategic Command tracking data, 
reentries will occur on March 12th, 28th and 30th, followed 
by more in April.  Radar cross sections are not available 
for all of the reentering pieces; they are probably 
centimeter-class fragments that pose no threat to people 
on the ground.  Visit http://spaceweather.com for more information.


From abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 13:46:37 2009
From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com (Abdelaziz Alhyane)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:46:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : NWA Material for sale
Message-ID: <948003.62955.qm@web45409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


Dear List,
 Up for sale different types of NWA material, 
Olivine diogenite,
Carbonaceous chondrites
Eucrites
Chondritic Monster
Good deals for OC 

If interested, contact me at : alhyane_abdelaziz at yahoo.com

My best
Aziz



      


From abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 14:02:08 2009
From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com (Abdelaziz Alhyane)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:02:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : NWA Material for sale
Message-ID: <941885.3704.qm@web45415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


Dear List,
 Up for sale different types of NWA material,
-Olivine diogenite,
-Carbonaceous chondrites
-Eucrites
-Chondritic Monster
-Good deals for OC

If interested, contact me at : alhyane_abdelaziz at yahoo.com

My best
Aziz



      


From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 14:08:46 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:08:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West hunt
Message-ID: <730344.54145.qm@web110604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Just found a perfect oriented stone about 1 minute ago!
Those of us still here are still finding stones so no need to update our totals daily. I have wards and our team data bit again as the totals are growing daily we will wait until we leave again to tally up.
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone
Michael 



From waltbranch at bellsouth.net  Tue Mar 10 15:57:44 2009
From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:57:44 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG:  Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
	LONG.
References: <00b701c9a0d7$d4a47410$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <FB735B4F1311405196F974FC9CE72ED8@Walter>

>Walter, Walter, what have you done :-)

Don't blame me!  I just started that table for fun.

Like you, I am also astonished at how much people are willing to pay for a 
meteorite because it hit something.

Of course, I am also astonished over how much people are willing to pay for 
essentially a speck of dust which looks like a dead gnat

-Walter Branch

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.



Hmm,
honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category "hammer" had
any meaning or importance.
Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were
buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale and it
was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and
Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-)
Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category: hammers.
So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since 2-3
years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than all the
decades before.

Walter, Walter, what have you done :-)

Best!
Martin

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
mail at mhmeteorites.com
Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 17:19
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.

I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made
structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term
and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and
interest (at least to me).
Matt
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA



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From waltbranch at bellsouth.net  Tue Mar 10 15:58:35 2009
From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:58:35 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
References: <mailman.130.1236565321.40053.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com><968793.9240.qm@web58408.mail.re3.yahoo.com><009301c9a0d2$00c42280$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><182289603-1236615557-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-240064648-@bxe1112.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<49B54B2F.3050308@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <34D98294F52D47FAA6BCE5595E3318A7@Walter>

>It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should
>only be applied

Yes Jeff, you are absolutely correct.  A distinction I made a post a few 
months ago.

-Walter Branch


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.


It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied
to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.
Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone
#2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.

jeff

mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made 
> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the 
> term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning 
> and interest (at least to me).
> Matt
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>
>
> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
> It hit a man made dirt road.
> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von 
> Michael
> Gilmer
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>
>
> Hi Listees! :)
>
> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable 
> number - albeit still quite small compared to some
> of the envious collections other list members have.
>
> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
> how many hammers do you have in your collection?
>
> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
>
> Hammer falls -
>
> Allende
> Carancas
> Claxton
> Gao Guenie
> Holbrook
> Moss
> Murchison
> New Orleans
> Park Forest
> Peekskill
> Weston
>
> Other witnessed falls -
>
> Bassikounou
> Chergach
> Ensisheim
> Juvinas
> Norton County
> Shalka
> Sikhote Alin
> Tagish Lake
> Tamdakht
> Tatahouine
> Udei Station
> "West" Texas
> Zag
> Zagami
>
> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
> falls and hammers.  I only collect recent falls that happened
> after I started collecting in late 2006.  So, basically from
> Bassikounou forward is fair game.  This is an arbitrary starting
> point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
> line to base my fall collection on.  I am missing quite a few
> recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
> Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
> are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.
>
> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them.  Any
> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
> interested I am in acquiring it.  Claxton is awesome.  Imagine
> how small a mailbox is.  Even when considering there are millions
> of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite 
> hitting one?  To me, that is interesting.  Peekskill
> is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
> Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
> occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
> circumstance.  But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
>
> New Orleans?  Very interesting.  First, it struck a house, but
> it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
> a desk.  That makes it worth collecting.  But even more interesting
> is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
> New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
> tattooed or sans virginity. ;)
>
> Weston?  Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
> phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting.
> I love Carancas - because it's a tease.  I would love to have a
> fully-crusted, whole individual.  But who wouldn't?  It's like
> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
> a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer.  You can't
> buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
> teases of the meteorite world.  But we love to be teased, so these
> two falls will always be favorites of mine.   Did anyone ever
> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
> emanated from the Carancas crater?
>
> Murchison?  Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
> amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type.  It also fell
> on my wife's 8th birthday.  So, it's a must have.  We are fortunate
> that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
> got retarded about their meteorite laws.
> Allende!  Who doesn't love Allende?  If you don't love Allende,
> then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
> town on a rail.  Allende is Mexico's Murchison.  And unlike
> Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
> piece of Allende.
> Park Forest is also a favorite.  It's not just a hammer, it's a
> multiple impactor.  It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
> of targets.
> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls.  What are your's?
>
> Best regards and clear skies!
>
> MikeG
>
> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
> this post!  By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
> Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
>
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> ..........................................................
>
>
>
>
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From cdtucson at cox.net  Tue Mar 10 16:14:30 2009
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:14:30 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
In-Reply-To: <C5DB7E30.155D%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20090310161430.VIM60.68819.imail@fed1rmwml32>


Michael,
Here is a video link that proves that Carancas killed a bull. You should add this to your web site. How much more proof could you ask for? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPY6gY_5gsw

Carl Esparza
IMCA 5829
Meteoritemax


---- Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
> In the case of Carancas, there are strong indications
> That a Llama and a ewe were killed by the shock
> Wave upon impact. (people reported this, and when
> Others expressed doubt, scientific evidence of the power
> Of the shock wave at the distance reported indicated
> Non-Homo sapiens mammals were definitely succeptable
> to a life threatening shock wave impact).
> Best wishes, Michael (PS There was also a large
> Dirt clod that clobbered a house a couple hundred
> Yards away. Apparently this "clod" had meteorite
> Fragments included, as numerous small fragments
> Were found around the building, though none were
> Found at that distance away from the building.
>
>
> > From: Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au>
> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:01 +1100
> > To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
> >
> > I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the
> > list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know
> > dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting
> > something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> > To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
> >
> >
> > It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied
> > to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.
> > Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone
> > #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.
> >
> > jeff
> >
> > mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
> >> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made
> >> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the
> >> term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning
> >> and interest (at least to me).
> >> Matt
> >> Matt Morgan
> >> Mile High Meteorites
> >> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> >> P.O. Box 151293
> >> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> >>
> >> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
> >> It hit a man made dirt road.
> >> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> >> Michael
> >> Gilmer
> >> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
> >> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Listees! :)
> >>
> >> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
> >> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable
> >> number - albeit still quite small compared to some
> >> of the envious collections other list members have.
> >>
> >> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
> >> how many hammers do you have in your collection?
> >>
> >> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
> >>
> >> Hammer falls -
> >>
> >> Allende
> >> Carancas
> >> Claxton
> >> Gao Guenie
> >> Holbrook
> >> Moss
> >> Murchison
> >> New Orleans
> >> Park Forest
> >> Peekskill
> >> Weston
> >>
> >> Other witnessed falls -
> >>
> >> Bassikounou
> >> Chergach
> >> Ensisheim
> >> Juvinas
> >> Norton County
> >> Shalka
> >> Sikhote Alin
> >> Tagish Lake
> >> Tamdakht
> >> Tatahouine
> >> Udei Station
> >> "West" Texas
> >> Zag
> >> Zagami
> >>
> >> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
> >> falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened
> >> after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from
> >> Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting
> >> point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
> >> line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few
> >> recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
> >> Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
> >> are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.
> >>
> >> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any
> >> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
> >> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
> >> interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine
> >> how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions
> >> of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite
> >> hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill
> >> is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
> >> Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
> >> occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
> >> circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
> >>
> >> New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but
> >> it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
> >> a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting
> >> is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
> >> New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
> >> tattooed or sans virginity. ;)
> >>
> >> Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
> >> phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
> >> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting.
> >> I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a
> >> fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like
> >> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
> >> a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't
> >> buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
> >> teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these
> >> two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever
> >> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
> >> emanated from the Carancas crater?
> >>
> >> Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
> >> amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell
> >> on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate
> >> that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
> >> got retarded about their meteorite laws.
> >> Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende,
> >> then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
> >> town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike
> >> Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
> >> piece of Allende.
> >> Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a
> >> multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
> >> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
> >> of targets.
> >> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's?
> >>
> >> Best regards and clear skies!
> >>
> >> MikeG
> >>
> >> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
> >> this post! By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
> >> Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
> >>
> >> .........................................................
> >> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> >> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> >> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> >> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> >> ..........................................................
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
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> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184
> > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383
> > 954 National Center
> > Reston, VA 20192, USA
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________
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> >
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From dmerchan at rochester.rr.com  Tue Mar 10 17:58:53 2009
From: dmerchan at rochester.rr.com (Don Merchant)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:58:53 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
References: <20090310161430.VIM60.68819.imail@fed1rmwml32>
Message-ID: <001201c9a1cb$671fcc60$6401a8c0@donaldmerchant>

Sounds more like the after effects of the meteorite may have killed the bull 
(illness from chemical mixing of the Earth elements) rather then a direct 
BULLS EYE hit....and that ain't no bull!!
Sincerely
Meteorite
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cdtucson at cox.net>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Jeff Kuyken" 
<info at meteorites.com.au>; "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS


>
> Michael,
> Here is a video link that proves that Carancas killed a bull. You should 
> add this to your web site. How much more proof could you ask for?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPY6gY_5gsw
>
> Carl Esparza
> IMCA 5829
> Meteoritemax
>
>
> ---- Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
>> In the case of Carancas, there are strong indications
>> That a Llama and a ewe were killed by the shock
>> Wave upon impact. (people reported this, and when
>> Others expressed doubt, scientific evidence of the power
>> Of the shock wave at the distance reported indicated
>> Non-Homo sapiens mammals were definitely succeptable
>> to a life threatening shock wave impact).
>> Best wishes, Michael (PS There was also a large
>> Dirt clod that clobbered a house a couple hundred
>> Yards away. Apparently this "clod" had meteorite
>> Fragments included, as numerous small fragments
>> Were found around the building, though none were
>> Found at that distance away from the building.
>>
>>
>> > From: Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au>
>> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:01 +1100
>> > To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, 
>> > LONG.
>> >
>> > I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on 
>> > the
>> > list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I 
>> > know
>> > dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting
>> > something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
>> > To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, 
>> > LONG.
>> >
>> >
>> > It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied
>> > to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.
>> > Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone
>> > #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.
>> >
>> > jeff
>> >
>> > mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
>> >> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a 
>> >> human-made
>> >> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken 
>> >> the
>> >> term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true 
>> >> meaning
>> >> and interest (at least to me).
>> >> Matt
>> >> Matt Morgan
>> >> Mile High Meteorites
>> >> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>> >> P.O. Box 151293
>> >> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>> >>
>> >> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: 
>> >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, 
>> >> LONG.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
>> >> It hit a man made dirt road.
>> >> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> >> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
>> >> Michael
>> >> Gilmer
>> >> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
>> >> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Listees! :)
>> >>
>> >> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
>> >> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a 
>> >> semi-respectable
>> >> number - albeit still quite small compared to some
>> >> of the envious collections other list members have.
>> >>
>> >> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
>> >> how many hammers do you have in your collection?
>> >>
>> >> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
>> >>
>> >> Hammer falls -
>> >>
>> >> Allende
>> >> Carancas
>> >> Claxton
>> >> Gao Guenie
>> >> Holbrook
>> >> Moss
>> >> Murchison
>> >> New Orleans
>> >> Park Forest
>> >> Peekskill
>> >> Weston
>> >>
>> >> Other witnessed falls -
>> >>
>> >> Bassikounou
>> >> Chergach
>> >> Ensisheim
>> >> Juvinas
>> >> Norton County
>> >> Shalka
>> >> Sikhote Alin
>> >> Tagish Lake
>> >> Tamdakht
>> >> Tatahouine
>> >> Udei Station
>> >> "West" Texas
>> >> Zag
>> >> Zagami
>> >>
>> >> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
>> >> falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened
>> >> after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from
>> >> Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting
>> >> point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
>> >> line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few
>> >> recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
>> >> Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
>> >> are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any
>> >> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
>> >> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
>> >> interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine
>> >> how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions
>> >> of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite
>> >> hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill
>> >> is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
>> >> Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
>> >> occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
>> >> circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
>> >>
>> >> New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but
>> >> it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
>> >> a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting
>> >> is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
>> >> New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
>> >> tattooed or sans virginity. ;)
>> >>
>> >> Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
>> >> phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
>> >> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting.
>> >> I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a
>> >> fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like
>> >> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
>> >> a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't
>> >> buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
>> >> teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these
>> >> two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever
>> >> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
>> >> emanated from the Carancas crater?
>> >>
>> >> Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
>> >> amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell
>> >> on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate
>> >> that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
>> >> got retarded about their meteorite laws.
>> >> Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende,
>> >> then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
>> >> town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike
>> >> Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
>> >> piece of Allende.
>> >> Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a
>> >> multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
>> >> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
>> >> of targets.
>> >> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's?
>> >>
>> >> Best regards and clear skies!
>> >>
>> >> MikeG
>> >>
>> >> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
>> >> this post! By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
>> >> Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
>> >>
>> >> .........................................................
>> >> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>> >> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>> >> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>> >> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and 
>> >> http://www.glassthrower.com
>> >> ..........................................................
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ______________________________________________
>> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >>
>> >> ______________________________________________
>> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >> ______________________________________________
>> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184
>> > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383
>> > 954 National Center
>> > Reston, VA 20192, USA
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________
>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________
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>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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>>
>>
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From cdtucson at cox.net  Tue Mar 10 17:42:55 2009
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:42:55 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
In-Reply-To: <001201c9a1cb$671fcc60$6401a8c0@donaldmerchant>
Message-ID: <20090310174255.FEJY9.71282.imail@fed1rmwml31>

Don,
 Actually they never did figure out the source of the smell. My crew interviewed the land owner and she too testified that two of her animals had been killed by the impact  of the blast. We did not think to photograph dead animals after four days of rotting but we did document on paper. The bull he mentions may have been one of hers. And again, this hit a human maintained spring used to water the animals and that is why it filled so quickly with water. Not hard to imagine animals were at their watering hole. And that aint no bull either.
Carl Esparza

---- Don Merchant <dmerchan at rochester.rr.com> wrote: 
> Sounds more like the after effects of the meteorite may have killed the bull 
> (illness from chemical mixing of the Earth elements) rather then a direct 
> BULLS EYE hit....and that ain't no bull!!
> Sincerely
> Meteorite
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <cdtucson at cox.net>
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Jeff Kuyken" 
> <info at meteorites.com.au>; "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
> 
> 
> >
> > Michael,
> > Here is a video link that proves that Carancas killed a bull. You should 
> > add this to your web site. How much more proof could you ask for?
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPY6gY_5gsw
> >
> > Carl Esparza
> > IMCA 5829
> > Meteoritemax
> >
> >
> > ---- Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
> >> In the case of Carancas, there are strong indications
> >> That a Llama and a ewe were killed by the shock
> >> Wave upon impact. (people reported this, and when
> >> Others expressed doubt, scientific evidence of the power
> >> Of the shock wave at the distance reported indicated
> >> Non-Homo sapiens mammals were definitely succeptable
> >> to a life threatening shock wave impact).
> >> Best wishes, Michael (PS There was also a large
> >> Dirt clod that clobbered a house a couple hundred
> >> Yards away. Apparently this "clod" had meteorite
> >> Fragments included, as numerous small fragments
> >> Were found around the building, though none were
> >> Found at that distance away from the building.
> >>
> >>
> >> > From: Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au>
> >> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:01 +1100
> >> > To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, 
> >> > LONG.
> >> >
> >> > I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on 
> >> > the
> >> > list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I 
> >> > know
> >> > dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting
> >> > something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here?
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > Jeff
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> >> > To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, 
> >> > LONG.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied
> >> > to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.
> >> > Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone
> >> > #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.
> >> >
> >> > jeff
> >> >
> >> > mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
> >> >> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a 
> >> >> human-made
> >> >> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken 
> >> >> the
> >> >> term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true 
> >> >> meaning
> >> >> and interest (at least to me).
> >> >> Matt
> >> >> Matt Morgan
> >> >> Mile High Meteorites
> >> >> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> >> >> P.O. Box 151293
> >> >> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: 
> >> >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, 
> >> >> LONG.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
> >> >> It hit a man made dirt road.
> >> >> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> >> >> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> >> >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> >> >> Michael
> >> >> Gilmer
> >> >> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
> >> >> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> >> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Listees! :)
> >> >>
> >> >> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
> >> >> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a 
> >> >> semi-respectable
> >> >> number - albeit still quite small compared to some
> >> >> of the envious collections other list members have.
> >> >>
> >> >> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
> >> >> how many hammers do you have in your collection?
> >> >>
> >> >> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
> >> >>
> >> >> Hammer falls -
> >> >>
> >> >> Allende
> >> >> Carancas
> >> >> Claxton
> >> >> Gao Guenie
> >> >> Holbrook
> >> >> Moss
> >> >> Murchison
> >> >> New Orleans
> >> >> Park Forest
> >> >> Peekskill
> >> >> Weston
> >> >>
> >> >> Other witnessed falls -
> >> >>
> >> >> Bassikounou
> >> >> Chergach
> >> >> Ensisheim
> >> >> Juvinas
> >> >> Norton County
> >> >> Shalka
> >> >> Sikhote Alin
> >> >> Tagish Lake
> >> >> Tamdakht
> >> >> Tatahouine
> >> >> Udei Station
> >> >> "West" Texas
> >> >> Zag
> >> >> Zagami
> >> >>
> >> >> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
> >> >> falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened
> >> >> after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from
> >> >> Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting
> >> >> point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
> >> >> line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few
> >> >> recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
> >> >> Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
> >> >> are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.
> >> >>
> >> >> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any
> >> >> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
> >> >> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
> >> >> interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine
> >> >> how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions
> >> >> of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite
> >> >> hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill
> >> >> is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
> >> >> Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
> >> >> occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
> >> >> circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
> >> >>
> >> >> New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but
> >> >> it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
> >> >> a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting
> >> >> is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
> >> >> New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
> >> >> tattooed or sans virginity. ;)
> >> >>
> >> >> Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
> >> >> phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
> >> >> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting.
> >> >> I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a
> >> >> fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like
> >> >> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
> >> >> a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't
> >> >> buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
> >> >> teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these
> >> >> two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever
> >> >> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
> >> >> emanated from the Carancas crater?
> >> >>
> >> >> Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
> >> >> amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell
> >> >> on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate
> >> >> that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
> >> >> got retarded about their meteorite laws.
> >> >> Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende,
> >> >> then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
> >> >> town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike
> >> >> Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
> >> >> piece of Allende.
> >> >> Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a
> >> >> multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
> >> >> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
> >> >> of targets.
> >> >> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's?
> >> >>
> >> >> Best regards and clear skies!
> >> >>
> >> >> MikeG
> >> >>
> >> >> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
> >> >> this post! By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
> >> >> Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
> >> >>
> >> >> .........................................................
> >> >> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> >> >> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> >> >> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> >> >> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and 
> >> >> http://www.glassthrower.com
> >> >> ..........................................................
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ______________________________________________
> >> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> >>
> >> >> ______________________________________________
> >> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> >> ______________________________________________
> >> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184
> >> > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383
> >> > 954 National Center
> >> > Reston, VA 20192, USA
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ______________________________________________
> >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ______________________________________________
> >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >>
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
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> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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>

From majbaermann at web.de  Tue Mar 10 17:49:08 2009
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?utf-8?Q?Matthias_B=C3=A4rmann?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:49:08 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
References: <20090310161430.VIM60.68819.imail@fed1rmwml32>
Message-ID: <D68B278C0466402A9183A8D8D8C0D17C@thinkcentre>

Well, dear aficionados,

as it really seems to be a subject:

perhaps something is wrong with me but I must confess that I
don't understand why the hell to prefer - and pay much more for - a
killer, hammer, damager, penetrator, bone-breaker etc., compared with a nice
and honest meteorite, simply making a hole in the soil.

Just my pacifistic 2 cents,

and my very best,

Matthias Baermann

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cdtucson at cox.net>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Jeff Kuyken"
<info at meteorites.com.au>; "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS


>
> Michael,
> Here is a video link that proves that Carancas killed a bull. You should
> add this to your web site. How much more proof could you ask for?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPY6gY_5gsw
>
> Carl Esparza
> IMCA 5829
> Meteoritemax
>
>
> ---- Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
>> In the case of Carancas, there are strong indications
>> That a Llama and a ewe were killed by the shock
>> Wave upon impact. (people reported this, and when
>> Others expressed doubt, scientific evidence of the power
>> Of the shock wave at the distance reported indicated
>> Non-Homo sapiens mammals were definitely succeptable
>> to a life threatening shock wave impact).
>> Best wishes, Michael (PS There was also a large
>> Dirt clod that clobbered a house a couple hundred
>> Yards away. Apparently this "clod" had meteorite
>> Fragments included, as numerous small fragments
>> Were found around the building, though none were
>> Found at that distance away from the building.
>>
>>
>> > From: Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au>
>> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:01 +1100
>> > To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
>> > LONG.
>> >
>> > I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on
>> > the
>> > list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I
>> > know
>> > dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting
>> > something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
>> > To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
>> > LONG.
>> >
>> >
>> > It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied
>> > to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.
>> > Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone
>> > #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.
>> >
>> > jeff
>> >
>> > mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
>> >> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a
>> >> human-made
>> >> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken
>> >> the
>> >> term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true
>> >> meaning
>> >> and interest (at least to me).
>> >> Matt
>> >> Matt Morgan
>> >> Mile High Meteorites
>> >> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>> >> P.O. Box 151293
>> >> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>> >>
>> >> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To:
>> >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
>> >> LONG.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
>> >> It hit a man made dirt road.
>> >> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> >> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
>> >> Michael
>> >> Gilmer
>> >> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
>> >> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Listees! :)
>> >>
>> >> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
>> >> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a
>> >> semi-respectable
>> >> number - albeit still quite small compared to some
>> >> of the envious collections other list members have.
>> >>
>> >> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
>> >> how many hammers do you have in your collection?
>> >>
>> >> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
>> >>
>> >> Hammer falls -
>> >>
>> >> Allende
>> >> Carancas
>> >> Claxton
>> >> Gao Guenie
>> >> Holbrook
>> >> Moss
>> >> Murchison
>> >> New Orleans
>> >> Park Forest
>> >> Peekskill
>> >> Weston
>> >>
>> >> Other witnessed falls -
>> >>
>> >> Bassikounou
>> >> Chergach
>> >> Ensisheim
>> >> Juvinas
>> >> Norton County
>> >> Shalka
>> >> Sikhote Alin
>> >> Tagish Lake
>> >> Tamdakht
>> >> Tatahouine
>> >> Udei Station
>> >> "West" Texas
>> >> Zag
>> >> Zagami
>> >>
>> >> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
>> >> falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened
>> >> after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from
>> >> Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting
>> >> point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
>> >> line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few
>> >> recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
>> >> Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
>> >> are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any
>> >> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
>> >> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
>> >> interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine
>> >> how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions
>> >> of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite
>> >> hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill
>> >> is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
>> >> Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
>> >> occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
>> >> circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
>> >>
>> >> New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but
>> >> it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
>> >> a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting
>> >> is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
>> >> New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
>> >> tattooed or sans virginity. ;)
>> >>
>> >> Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
>> >> phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
>> >> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting.
>> >> I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a
>> >> fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like
>> >> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
>> >> a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't
>> >> buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
>> >> teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these
>> >> two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever
>> >> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
>> >> emanated from the Carancas crater?
>> >>
>> >> Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
>> >> amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell
>> >> on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate
>> >> that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
>> >> got retarded about their meteorite laws.
>> >> Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende,
>> >> then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
>> >> town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike
>> >> Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
>> >> piece of Allende.
>> >> Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a
>> >> multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
>> >> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
>> >> of targets.
>> >> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's?
>> >>
>> >> Best regards and clear skies!
>> >>
>> >> MikeG
>> >>
>> >> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
>> >> this post! By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
>> >> Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
>> >>
>> >> .........................................................
>> >> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>> >> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>> >> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>> >> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
>> >> http://www.glassthrower.com
>> >> ..........................................................
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ______________________________________________
>> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >>
>> >> ______________________________________________
>> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >> ______________________________________________
>> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184
>> > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383
>> > 954 National Center
>> > Reston, VA 20192, USA
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________
>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________
>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>


From darryl at dof3.com  Tue Mar 10 18:07:49 2009
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:07:49 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW YORK FIREBALL / Acknowledgement & Gratitude
Message-ID: <88D503A2-E5BC-415A-833A-98EC2BD8672E@dof3.com>



Folks,

Before I ramp into an update of the Westchester, New York fireball,  
special kudos are due list member Marc Fries of the Jet Propulsion  
Laboratory along with his meteorologist brother.

As you may recall, Doppler radar revealed the debris cloud created by  
the atmospheric break-up of the space shuttle Columbia.  The  
appearance of Doppler radar returns provided Marc and his brother the  
idea to take a look at such data in the search for meteorites.  For  
years Marc had been waiting to test his hypothesis, and the West,  
Texas fall provided exactly what he was looking for: clear sky, a  
radar return from two different radars and recovered stones.  (It  
bears noting that Mike Farmer and Robert Ward both informed me that  
when they saw the Doppler image of the West debris cloud---which they  
likened to looking like a hail storm---they couldn't get to West,  
Texas quickly enough.)

NEW YORK FIREBALL

This past Friday evening Liz Holland witnessed the descent of a  
fireball from her Mt. Kisco (northern Westchester County) home---an  
hour or so North of New York City. After having spoken with Liz at  
length, it was clear she had seen a bolide---and it wasn't arcing  
across the sky but appeared to be coming somewhat towards her.  Around  
the same time, sonic phenomena consistent with the sonic boom of a  
meteoroid breaking the sound barrier were heard throughout eastern  
Westchester County.   Upon news of the same, my wife and I called  
numerous police stations near and far and failed to make much  
headway.  Another piece to the puzzle was needed. Marc produced a  
Doppler  return taken about the same time as the aforementioned visual  
and sonic phenomena which revealed a debris cloud over  Long Island  
Sound.  He is currently working with his brother gathering and  
analyzing further data.  I've helped put the New York media on alert  
and hopefully something, somewhere will turn up.  It's currently  
unclear what portion of this event has met a watery end.

Fries Brothers, thank you for your assistance.


Darryl



From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Tue Mar 10 18:19:52 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:19:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - 1.7 kilo West photos
Message-ID: <21066858.100711236723592305.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html


From wahlperry at aol.com  Tue Mar 10 18:41:21 2009
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:41:21 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re contact info for Marc Fries
Message-ID: <8CB6FE878223D77-AF4-17BA@webmail-mh20.sysops.aol.com>

Hi ,

Mark could you contact me off list.

Thanks,
Sonny


www.nevadameteorites.com

From romanj at sympatico.ca  Tue Mar 10 18:53:09 2009
From: romanj at sympatico.ca (Roman)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:53:09 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - 1.7 kilo West
	photos
References: <21066858.100711236723592305.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP57E84CD3E0525DA3C2706EA4A10@phx.gbl>

Oh ya baby!
What a lucky farmer/s.

Cheers,
Roman Jirasek


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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Tue Mar 10 19:10:07 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:10:07 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - 1.7 kilo West
	photos
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Message-ID: <20090310231010.572361053C@mailwash5.pair.com>

Wow, you couldn't have asked for a more beautiful piece! Congratulations! I
think I would probably have a heart attack if I stumbled upon that one on
the ground. My heart pitter-pattered for even the little ones we found :)

Is it 100% complete? Who's the lucky owner?

Cheers!

Mike Bandli



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From clwaldeniii at comcast.net  Tue Mar 10 19:25:00 2009
From: clwaldeniii at comcast.net (Chauncey Walden)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:25:00 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers
Message-ID: <49B6F6CC.3040203@comcast.net>

Pieces of Thuathe landed on houses and one in a graveyard (I guess that 
would make it a deadfall.)
Chauncey

From waltbranch at birch.net  Tue Mar 10 19:47:43 2009
From: waltbranch at birch.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:47:43 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - 1.7 kilo West
	photos
References: <21066858.100711236723592305.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>
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Beautiful stone.  Congratulations!

-Walter
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From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 20:03:04 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:03:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings
Message-ID: <808761.13702.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


List,

  I have been meaning to ask about the "blue-silvery" markings on some of the West specimens we found. I see that McCartney Taylor mentions it on his new web site. I showed the 60g meteorite that it is best represented on from our finds to several "in-the-know-guys", such as Mike Farmer and Robert Haag, who both have a seen a LOT more meteorites than I have. Neither of them had ever seen anything like it before. That seems to be a fairly significant statement.  Robert tossed around the idea that it MIGHT be related to the copper content in this meteorite, and MIGHT be some kind of "copper-related-melt-splash" ????? ( Not trying to start any wild, fantastic claims here at all. Like I said, this is just some musings out loud. He also said it might be some type of troilite melt-splash, or something else completely. But the point is, wouldn't most of us agree that if NO one (that I've asked) has seen something like this before, it must be fairly uncommon at
 the least??? 

  If anyone has ever seen anything like this before or knows what it is, I would love to hear from you.

  I don't have a website, or a photo hosting site, but I would be happy to send a photo that displays the markings directly to anyone who requests it.

  Thanks,
  Robert Woolard














      

From dave at fallingrocks.com  Tue Mar 10 20:14:31 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:14:31 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings
In-Reply-To: <808761.13702.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <808761.13702.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2BCC9F6A3F66428BAF496697BC52B79E@meteorroom>

Robert & All,
I saw it in several West specimens as well while in Texas, but I've seen it
elsewhere, too.  For example, here it is on a Murchison specimen:
http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Murchison.htm.  Never have bothered
to research the specific cause, but I'd imagine it's something that vanishes
rapidly after the first rains hit.  By the way, I'm still blue-green with
envy over your son's fantastic recovery!
All best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

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To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings


List,

  I have been meaning to ask about the "blue-silvery" markings on some of
the West specimens we found. I see that McCartney Taylor mentions it on his
new web site. I showed the 60g meteorite that it is best represented on from
our finds to several "in-the-know-guys", such as Mike Farmer and Robert
Haag, who both have a seen a LOT more meteorites than I have. Neither of
them had ever seen anything like it before. That seems to be a fairly
significant statement.  Robert tossed around the idea that it MIGHT be
related to the copper content in this meteorite, and MIGHT be some kind of
"copper-related-melt-splash" ????? ( Not trying to start any wild, fantastic
claims here at all. Like I said, this is just some musings out loud. He also
said it might be some type of troilite melt-splash, or something else
completely. But the point is, wouldn't most of us agree that if NO one (that
I've asked) has seen something like this before, it must be fairly uncommon
at  the least??? 

  If anyone has ever seen anything like this before or knows what it is, I
would love to hear from you.

  I don't have a website, or a photo hosting site, but I would be happy to
send a photo that displays the markings directly to anyone who requests it.

  Thanks,
  Robert Woolard














      
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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Tue Mar 10 20:41:24 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:41:24 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] West update to AFT page (AD)
Message-ID: <30DC580E829D49DB94FFF7819E425374@meteorroom>

All,
Updated the AFT page.  Apologies for the close consecutive posts, but just
added a great specimen: http://www.fallingrocks.com/trade.htm.
Best,

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 


From tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com  Tue Mar 10 21:21:20 2009
From: tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com (Tom Randall (KB2SMS))
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:21:20 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW YORK FIREBALL / Acknowledgement & Gratitude
Message-ID: <6DD794FE-2C71-4A8D-B87D-F24A979946A0@hvc.rr.com>


To all those folks looking down state from me, good luck!

I wish I had the time and money to search. I am about an hour away  
from there.

It won't be easy!

Good luck to all!

Tom


From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 21:30:42 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:30:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
In-Reply-To: <20090310174255.FEJY9.71282.imail@fed1rmwml31>
Message-ID: <686231.92125.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


I recall from reports at the time that some already dead and buried "Carcancas Carcasses" were excavated/exposed by/near the crater.  Something else was mentioned during the fog of thought and fear immediately engulfing the event:a claim was made that animals had been killed by the impact in the event a re-reimbursement claim could be made should this turn out to be an errant military munition or other big pocket liability claim. Subsequently the animal deaths were confirmed to have been several days before.AFAIR

So I guess the new moniker for this class could be "grave digger".

Elton


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:

> From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, "Jeff Kuyken" <info at meteorites.com.au>, "Don Merchant" <dmerchan at rochester.rr.com>, "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 5:42 PM
> Don,
>  Actually they never did figure out the source of the
> smell. My crew interviewed the land owner and she too
> testified that two of her animals had been killed by the
> impact  of the blast. We did not think to photograph dead
> animals after four days of rotting but we did document on
> paper. The bull he mentions may have been one of hers. And
> again, this hit a human maintained spring used to water the
> animals and that is why it filled so quickly with water. Not
> hard to imagine animals were at their watering hole. And
> that aint no bull either.
> Carl Esparza


From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Tue Mar 10 21:31:55 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:31:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West meteorite markings ?
Message-ID: <22410210.117091236735115174.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/West-markings.html


From waltbranch at bellsouth.net  Tue Mar 10 22:11:53 2009
From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:11:53 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave
References: <003001c9a193$1b724d70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><b3dd0c7c.b62b.4495.ad9f.dd6aa93e19ca@aol.com>
	<10899F05-208C-43B6-AB6F-A15CC688554F@dof3.com>
Message-ID: <31640D22380B43B192B2137DF6436FE9@Walter>

Hello Darryl,

>is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock
> wave not killed by the bomb?

No.  They would killed by the shock wave.

If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite then a 
"hammer?"  No.

Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.

It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end - Douglas 
Adams.

-Walter Branch

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
To: "Impactika" <impactika at aol.com>
Cc: <IMCA at imcamail.de>; "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave



(deep breath)

is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by
the bomb?



hi anne!  ;-)


On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote:

> Hello Dave, and all,
>
> I submit another example to you:  Carancas, since it has been  discussed 
> on the other List.
>
> In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas meteorite  would 
> qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the house on the  picture, but 
> it would have to be properly documented, with proof  that this specific 
> fragment, and not another one, or a piece of  ejecta, is the actual 
> fragment that damaged this roof.  Any other  fragment is just that: a 
> fragment of the Carancas meteorite. As for  the animals, they might have 
> been hit by a shock wave, not by a  fragment of the meteorite.
>
> With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can qualify  as 
> hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that hit cars,  roofs, 
> .... and only those. And again, only with proper verifiable 
> documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just that: pieces  of 
> the Park Forest meteorite.
>
> That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites, since  they 
> are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls.
>
> As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my website 
> unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a certain  specimen 
> did hit a human, animal, or something man-made (roads,  trees, fields.... 
> don't count!).
>
> But that is my opinion.
> Any others?
>
> Anne Black
> IMCA - #2356
>
>
>
> In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time, 
> altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
> Von: dave at fallingrocks.com [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. M?rz 2009 15:47
> An: Martin Altmann
> Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
>
> Hi, Martin,
>
> Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web 
> interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks:
>
> . . . . . . . . . . .
> The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that they  are 
> most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers.  These  newbie 
> collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous price  because a piece 
> of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a hut --  yet the piece they're 
> contemplating purchase around was picked up in  a field two miles away. 
> Thuathe might not be the best example, as  it's a killer meteorite in its 
> own right.  Your example of Gao- Guenie, though by no means reflected in 
> market pricing (yet,  anyway), might be better.
>
> . . . . . . . . . . .
> Dave
>
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>
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>
>
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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Tue Mar 10 22:25:16 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:25:16 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave
In-Reply-To: <31640D22380B43B192B2137DF6436FE9@Walter>
References: <003001c9a193$1b724d70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><b3dd0c7c.b62b.4495.ad9f.dd6aa93e19ca@aol.com><10899F05-208C-43B6-AB6F-A15CC688554F@dof3.com>
	<31640D22380B43B192B2137DF6436FE9@Walter>
Message-ID: <730DD492C35E4836B65441EA84D9D42D@meteorroom>

Walter & All,
This one's interesting, Walter.  I was with Darryl re: the shock wave, for
all practical purposes, but what you're saying makes sense.  Imagine a high
school football fan, perhaps late for a Friday night game in the
northeastern US back in October 1992, racing to the game.  Suddenly they
catch a glimpse of an epic fireball through the windshield.  Distracted,
they veer from the road and into a telephone pole -- later assuming room
temperature at a local hospital.  Did the meteorite kill them? Well,
no...not directly, anyway.  BUT, it should be noted that in these extreme
hypothetical examples the unique scenario itself would be merit enough to
attract attention, albeit macabre, and make for a story which endures the
test of time.  Of course, the Peekskill meteor resulted in an undisputed
"hammer" anyway, but hopefully the analogy makes the point that I have to
agree with you on this one, Walter...specifically for the purposes of
defining a "hammer," that is.  Good post!
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Walter
Branch
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:12 PM
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave

Hello Darryl,

>is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock  wave not killed by 
>the bomb?

No.  They would killed by the shock wave.

If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite then a
"hammer?"  No.

Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.

It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end - Douglas
Adams.

-Walter Branch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
To: "Impactika" <impactika at aol.com>
Cc: <IMCA at imcamail.de>; "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave



(deep breath)

is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by
the bomb?



hi anne!  ;-)


On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote:

> Hello Dave, and all,
>
> I submit another example to you:  Carancas, since it has been  discussed 
> on the other List.
>
> In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas meteorite  would

> qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the house on the  picture, but 
> it would have to be properly documented, with proof  that this specific 
> fragment, and not another one, or a piece of  ejecta, is the actual 
> fragment that damaged this roof.  Any other  fragment is just that: a 
> fragment of the Carancas meteorite. As for  the animals, they might have 
> been hit by a shock wave, not by a  fragment of the meteorite.
>
> With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can qualify  as 
> hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that hit cars,  roofs, 
> .... and only those. And again, only with proper verifiable 
> documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just that: pieces  of 
> the Park Forest meteorite.
>
> That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites, since  they 
> are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls.
>
> As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my website 
> unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a certain  specimen 
> did hit a human, animal, or something man-made (roads,  trees, fields.... 
> don't count!).
>
> But that is my opinion.
> Any others?
>
> Anne Black
> IMCA - #2356
>
>
>
> In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time, 
> altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
> Von: dave at fallingrocks.com [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. M?rz 2009 15:47
> An: Martin Altmann
> Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
>
> Hi, Martin,
>
> Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web 
> interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks:
>
> . . . . . . . . . . .
> The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that they  are 
> most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers.  These  newbie 
> collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous price  because a piece 
> of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a hut --  yet the piece they're 
> contemplating purchase around was picked up in  a field two miles away. 
> Thuathe might not be the best example, as  it's a killer meteorite in its 
> own right.  Your example of Gao- Guenie, though by no means reflected in 
> market pricing (yet,  anyway), might be better.
>
> . . . . . . . . . . .
> Dave
>
> IMCA #5967
>
> www.fallingrocks.com
>
>
> Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a  recession.
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From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Mar 10 22:29:40 2009
From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:29:40 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: NEW YORK FIREBALL / Acknowledgement & Gratitude
In-Reply-To: <C5DC450A.64AB%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <C5DC7024.64D1%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>


I?m flattered; thank you.

For those of y?all who?ve asked me about the Westchester fall, I am still
working through some ambiguity in the data.  I will send an image to those
who already asked - anyone else can email me off-list and I?m happy to share
the radar image from that meteor.  Its location and timing are unfortunate ?
two radars other than the Long Island one collected data right up to the
meteor location but didn?t quite produce a signal.  The Long Island radar
also just missed the falling debris with its first pass, and only caught the
tail end with the second pass ten minutes later.  It?s pretty, but nothing
like the West data.

Cheers,
MDF


On 3/10/09 3:07 PM, "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> Before I ramp into an update of the Westchester, New York fireball,
> special kudos are due list member Marc Fries of the Jet Propulsion
> Laboratory along with his meteorologist brother.
> 
> As you may recall, Doppler radar revealed the debris cloud created by
> the atmospheric break-up of the space shuttle Columbia.  The
> appearance of Doppler radar returns provided Marc and his brother the
> idea to take a look at such data in the search for meteorites.  For
> years Marc had been waiting to test his hypothesis, and the West,
> Texas fall provided exactly what he was looking for: clear sky, a
> radar return from two different radars and recovered stones.  (It
> bears noting that Mike Farmer and Robert Ward both informed me that
> when they saw the Doppler image of the West debris cloud---which they
> likened to looking like a hail storm---they couldn't get to West,
> Texas quickly enough.)
> 
> NEW YORK FIREBALL
> 
> This past Friday evening Liz Holland witnessed the descent of a
> fireball from her Mt. Kisco (northern Westchester County) home---an
> hour or so North of New York City. After having spoken with Liz at
> length, it was clear she had seen a bolide---and it wasn't arcing
> across the sky but appeared to be coming somewhat towards her.  Around
> the same time, sonic phenomena consistent with the sonic boom of a
> meteoroid breaking the sound barrier were heard throughout eastern
> Westchester County.   Upon news of the same, my wife and I called
> numerous police stations near and far and failed to make much
> headway.  Another piece to the puzzle was needed. Marc produced a
> Doppler  return taken about the same time as the aforementioned visual
> and sonic phenomena which revealed a debris cloud over  Long Island
> Sound.  He is currently working with his brother gathering and
> analyzing further data.  I've helped put the New York media on alert
> and hopefully something, somewhere will turn up.  It's currently
> unclear what portion of this event has met a watery end.
> 
> Fries Brothers, thank you for your assistance.
> 
> 
> Darryl
> 
> 
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From daistiho at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 10 22:34:07 2009
From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:34:07 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings
In-Reply-To: <2BCC9F6A3F66428BAF496697BC52B79E@meteorroom>
References: <808761.13702.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Did anyone make note of what the marked meteorites landed on?  In raku pottery, markings like this sometimes result from plunging a red-hot pot into a bed of combustible material,like grass or newspaper.  We all know that 99 times out of 100, a meteorite is NOT hot when it touches down, but for that 100th exception...
 
Just my .2g,
Tracy Latimer

> From: dave at fallingrocks.com
> To: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:14:31 -0400
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings
> 
> Robert & All,
> I saw it in several West specimens as well while in Texas, but I've seen it
> elsewhere, too. For example, here it is on a Murchison specimen:
> http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Murchison.htm. Never have bothered
> to research the specific cause, but I'd imagine it's something that vanishes
> rapidly after the first rains hit. By the way, I'm still blue-green with
> envy over your son's fantastic recovery!
> All best,
> Dave
> www.fallingrocks.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Woolard
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:03 PM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings
> 
> 
> List,
> 
> I have been meaning to ask about the "blue-silvery" markings on some of
> the West specimens we found. I see that McCartney Taylor mentions it on his
> new web site. I showed the 60g meteorite that it is best represented on from
> our finds to several "in-the-know-guys", such as Mike Farmer and Robert
> Haag, who both have a seen a LOT more meteorites than I have. Neither of
> them had ever seen anything like it before. That seems to be a fairly
> significant statement. Robert tossed around the idea that it MIGHT be
> related to the copper content in this meteorite, and MIGHT be some kind of
> "copper-related-melt-splash" ????? ( Not trying to start any wild, fantastic
> claims here at all. Like I said, this is just some musings out loud. He also
> said it might be some type of troilite melt-splash, or something else
> completely. But the point is, wouldn't most of us agree that if NO one (that
> I've asked) has seen something like this before, it must be fairly uncommon
> at the least??? 
> 
> If anyone has ever seen anything like this before or knows what it is, I
> would love to hear from you.
> 
> I don't have a website, or a photo hosting site, but I would be happy to
> send a photo that displays the markings directly to anyone who requests it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Robert Woolard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From darryl at dof3.com  Tue Mar 10 22:49:46 2009
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:49:46 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave
In-Reply-To: <31640D22380B43B192B2137DF6436FE9@Walter>
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Hi Walter!

With all respect....

In ANY report---except where there exist the specificity of a coroner  
or scholarly assessment---bomb victims are bomb victims.

There is never differentiation between those killed by blast injury,  
penetrating wounds, blunt trauma or smoke/fire.  In fact the foregoing  
types of injury are correctly referred to as primary, secondary,  
tertiary and miscellaneous BLAST INJURIES.  Primary blast injury is  
specifically a rapid increase in air pressure--a shock wave.

If the bull was killed by a shock wave created by an impact---it was  
killed by the impact.

And that's no bull....

;-)



On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Walter Branch wrote:

> Hello Darryl,
>
>> is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock
>> wave not killed by the bomb?
>
> No.  They would killed by the shock wave.
>
> If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite  
> then a "hammer?"  No.
>
> Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.
>
> It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end -  
> Douglas Adams.
>
> -Walter Branch
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
> To: "Impactika" <impactika at aol.com>
> Cc: <IMCA at imcamail.de>; "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave
>
>
>
> (deep breath)
>
> is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by
> the bomb?
>
>
>
> hi anne!  ;-)
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote:
>
>> Hello Dave, and all,
>>
>> I submit another example to you:  Carancas, since it has been   
>> discussed on the other List.
>>
>> In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas  
>> meteorite  would qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the  
>> house on the  picture, but it would have to be properly documented,  
>> with proof  that this specific fragment, and not another one, or a  
>> piece of  ejecta, is the actual fragment that damaged this roof.   
>> Any other  fragment is just that: a fragment of the Carancas  
>> meteorite. As for  the animals, they might have been hit by a shock  
>> wave, not by a  fragment of the meteorite.
>>
>> With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can  
>> qualify  as hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that  
>> hit cars,  roofs, .... and only those. And again, only with proper  
>> verifiable documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just  
>> that: pieces  of the Park Forest meteorite.
>>
>> That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites,  
>> since  they are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls.
>>
>> As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my  
>> website unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a  
>> certain  specimen did hit a human, animal, or something man-made  
>> (roads,  trees, fields.... don't count!).
>>
>> But that is my opinion.
>> Any others?
>>
>> Anne Black
>> IMCA - #2356
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time, altmann at meteorite-martin.de 
>>  writes:
>> Von: dave at fallingrocks.com [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com]
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. M?rz 2009 15:47
>> An: Martin Altmann
>> Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
>>
>> Hi, Martin,
>>
>> Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web  
>> interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks:
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . .
>> The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that  
>> they  are most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers.   
>> These  newbie collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous  
>> price  because a piece of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a  
>> hut --  yet the piece they're contemplating purchase around was  
>> picked up in  a field two miles away. Thuathe might not be the best  
>> example, as  it's a killer meteorite in its own right.  Your  
>> example of Gao- Guenie, though by no means reflected in market  
>> pricing (yet,  anyway), might be better.
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . .
>> Dave
>>
>> IMCA #5967
>>
>> www.fallingrocks.com
>>
>>
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From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Tue Mar 10 22:55:31 2009
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:55:31 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings
Message-ID: <bc9.48912a32.36e88223@aol.com>

Hi Robert and list,  I just looked at the  post of the image on Michael's 
site (Thanks!!!).   

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/West-markings.html


SaU 001 has  a copper metallic sheen on some of the examples.  I wonder if it 
is the  same process at work?

I am convinced it is the result of metals internal  to the meteorite 
vaporized and depositing in the crust.  Very similar to  pottery glazes.  Different 
metals=different colors.  This metallic  glaze has stood up to hundreds of years 
in the Oman desert.  I think it is  in the glass of the crust (so to speak).

I have taken some heat on this  but I have tried to wear the glaze off by 
carrying small samples in my pocket  for extended periods.  It is in the glass 
that forms the crust and is not  part of the weathering process as has been 
suggested in SaU 001.  In fact  this metalic finish has been dismissed as just a 
weathering phenomenon.   

I am very excited to see a similar looking deposit on a fresh  fall.

Email me for some cool SaU 001 crust shoots but be advised, I am  not as good 
with macro as micro!

Tom Phillips

In a message  dated 3/10/2009 6:03:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  writes:

List,

I have been meaning to ask about the  "blue-silvery" markings on some of the 
West specimens we found. I see that  McCartney Taylor mentions it on his new 
web site. I showed the 60g meteorite  that it is best represented on from our 
finds to several "in-the-know-guys",  such as Mike Farmer and Robert Haag, who 
both have a seen a LOT more meteorites  than I have. Neither of them had ever 
seen anything like it before. That seems  to be a fairly significant 
statement.  Robert tossed around the idea that  it MIGHT be related to the copper 
content in this meteorite, and MIGHT be some  kind of "copper-related-melt-splash" 
????? ( Not trying to start any wild,  fantastic claims here at all. Like I 
said, this is just some musings out loud.  He also said it might be some type of 
troilite melt-splash, or something else  completely. But the point is, 
wouldn't most of us agree that if NO one (that  I've asked) has seen something like 
this before, it must be fairly uncommon  at
the least??? 

If anyone has ever seen anything like this  before or knows what it is, I 
would love to hear from you.

I don't  have a website, or a photo hosting site, but I would be happy to 
send a photo  that displays the markings directly to anyone who requests it.

Thanks,
Robert  Woolard















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From John at Cabassi.net  Tue Mar 10 23:10:08 2009
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:10:08 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] The "H" Word
Message-ID: <00cc01c9a1f6$e7520a30$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day Everyone
I have been constantly following this whole rant. Points have been made and 
are very interesting. But I'm amazed at the constant referral to something 
that is basically a subject of creativity and that I refer to it as the word 
"xxxxxx". I doubt if it will exist in the journals of scientific research. I 
for one, hope it self destructs. But I am amazed at all the responses, for 
and against, still utters those words "xxxxxx"

As far as I'm concerned, this is the one and only "xxxxxx" 
http://s485.photobucket.com/albums/rr215/olivine_01/?action=view&current=hammer.jpg 
that warrants the true label.

My thoughts and only my thoughts. Two cents can go a long way, I only have 
one.

Cheers
John
IMCA #2125 


From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Mar 10 12:24:35 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:24:35 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] The "H" Word
In-Reply-To: <00cc01c9a1f6$e7520a30$4564fea9@TITAN>
References: <00cc01c9a1f6$e7520a30$4564fea9@TITAN>
Message-ID: <1q4dr4lrv0peakrro82mprsdjok4pe8chk@4ax.com>

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:10:08 -0700, you wrote:

>"xxxxxx". I doubt if it will exist in the journals of scientific research. I 
>for one, hope it self destructs. 

Myself, the issue of where or how the meteorite lands is only of secondary
interest, but for many the social/anthropological aspect is more important, if
not the primary interest.  So, agree with any "importance" of hammers or not,
the issue appears to be too legit to quit.

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 23:39:18 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
Message-ID: <735286.46836.qm@web110602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Geoff

Perhaps you are mistaken in you assumptions. 
I along with Robert Woolard asked for that data at first so that the article in Meteorite Magazine could be written with as much up-to-date information as possible as we were on an extremely tight time limit.
We got no response from several people, and merely asked several times. I have all data from the people I was working with, and as I said earlier, there was no need to provide daily additions until we are finished hunting. I saw 5 more stones found today, I found one of them. The people I named were already gone from the field so their totals would be final or nearly so. 

As far as "Teddy" goes. I am a little interested how a person who is absolutely unknown, and who has never posted a single post to the list suddenly came to be 48 hours ago and is now the point man for West field work. Using a GMAIL account and appearing out of nowhere and getting all of the West data yet nobody knows who he is makes me wonder a few things.

"Teddy" email me your phone number so we can chat, I would like to know who I am reporting data to. 

I am working on this map, I have about 60% of the known stones and to add your crew's stones would assist not me, but science. 
So please let me know the totals if possible or they will not be included. 
There is no problem here, no need to argue over this. Everyone seems to be extremely successful and almost everyone who came found meteorites. Let's finish it up and get the data assembled in the best way possible.
Michael Farmer

Still in the field, but it looks like heavy rain starting tonight.


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Notkin <geoking at notkin.net> wrote:

> From: Notkin <geoking at notkin.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 9:40 AM
> Michael Farmer wrote:
> 
> > Steve Arnold Notkin
> > Thompson Phillips wesel
> > All are refusing to share a scrap of data
> > Mike
> 
> 
> Mike:
> 
> I suggest you get your facts straight before you start
> accusing my team mates of anything.
> 
> Rob Wesel, Patrick Thompson, Ruben Garica, Jason Philips,
> Mike Miller, Steve Arnold, John Sinclair and myself have all
> already provided our find numbers and weights to Teddy. I'm
> sure other numbers will be forthcoming when the finders are
> comfortable with it.
> 
> As mentioned earlier on the List, we took several guys out
> with us who found their first meteorite on this trip. We
> also hunted with some of our gracious landowners and showed
> them how to find meteorites on their own property, and asked
> them to let us know if they turned up anything in future. As
> such, I will not have the great group of people I was
> hunting with portrayed on the List as "uncooperative secret
> searchers." I notice that your team members Robert and
> Shauna did not have their totals posted on Teddy's list.
> Maybe you could devote your energy to collecting data from
> your own people before complaining about anyone else.
> 
> It's excellent that detailed find data is being compiled on
> this fall. This may be the most accurate strewnfield data
> collected in the US since Jim Kriegh, Twink Monrad, John
> Blennert and friends mapped Gold Basin in the 1990s. And it
> would be even better if we could get along while doing it,
> without pointing fingers.
> 
> 
> Geoff N.
> 
> www.aerolite.org
> www.meteoriteblog.org
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From John at Cabassi.net  Tue Mar 10 23:51:20 2009
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:51:20 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] The "H" Word
References: <00cc01c9a1f6$e7520a30$4564fea9@TITAN>
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Message-ID: <010401c9a1fc$a61a45e0$4564fea9@TITAN>

G'Day Darren
Now that's funny. MC xxxxxx

Cheers
John
IMCA # 2125

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The "H" Word


> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:10:08 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>"xxxxxx". I doubt if it will exist in the journals of scientific research. 
>>I
>>for one, hope it self destructs.
>
> Myself, the issue of where or how the meteorite lands is only of secondary
> interest, but for many the social/anthropological aspect is more 
> important, if
> not the primary interest.  So, agree with any "importance" of hammers or 
> not,
> the issue appears to be too legit to quit.
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From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Wed Mar 11 00:14:16 2009
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:14:16 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
References: <735286.46836.qm@web110602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c9a1ff$d851c620$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Hi guys

I did report my totals and weights and I look forward to sharing coordinate 
data when all the members of our team agree we have completed searching the 
coordinate areas. We have folks still going back and forth. The data will be 
shared, but not at the cost of those with whom I owe the finds to. So, if 
the MAPS article or Meteorite Magazine article have to be this week, they 
will be short my data. I doubt anything I have is going to shed much 
unforeseen light as far as changing the distribution ellipse but I WILL 
share the data, worry not. If you have to publish right away then anticipate 
someone else producing the revised edition. It's been three weeks, to 
publish the known strewnfield at this moment is myopic.

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Notkin" 
<geoking at notkin.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?


>
> Geoff
>
> Perhaps you are mistaken in you assumptions.
> I along with Robert Woolard asked for that data at first so that the 
> article in Meteorite Magazine could be written with as much up-to-date 
> information as possible as we were on an extremely tight time limit.
> We got no response from several people, and merely asked several times. I 
> have all data from the people I was working with, and as I said earlier, 
> there was no need to provide daily additions until we are finished 
> hunting. I saw 5 more stones found today, I found one of them. The people 
> I named were already gone from the field so their totals would be final or 
> nearly so.
>
> As far as "Teddy" goes. I am a little interested how a person who is 
> absolutely unknown, and who has never posted a single post to the list 
> suddenly came to be 48 hours ago and is now the point man for West field 
> work. Using a GMAIL account and appearing out of nowhere and getting all 
> of the West data yet nobody knows who he is makes me wonder a few things.
>
> "Teddy" email me your phone number so we can chat, I would like to know 
> who I am reporting data to.
>
> I am working on this map, I have about 60% of the known stones and to add 
> your crew's stones would assist not me, but science.
> So please let me know the totals if possible or they will not be included.
> There is no problem here, no need to argue over this. Everyone seems to be 
> extremely successful and almost everyone who came found meteorites. Let's 
> finish it up and get the data assembled in the best way possible.
> Michael Farmer
>
> Still in the field, but it looks like heavy rain starting tonight.
>
>
> --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Notkin <geoking at notkin.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Notkin <geoking at notkin.net>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers 
>> ?
>> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 9:40 AM
>> Michael Farmer wrote:
>>
>> > Steve Arnold Notkin
>> > Thompson Phillips wesel
>> > All are refusing to share a scrap of data
>> > Mike
>>
>>
>> Mike:
>>
>> I suggest you get your facts straight before you start
>> accusing my team mates of anything.
>>
>> Rob Wesel, Patrick Thompson, Ruben Garica, Jason Philips,
>> Mike Miller, Steve Arnold, John Sinclair and myself have all
>> already provided our find numbers and weights to Teddy. I'm
>> sure other numbers will be forthcoming when the finders are
>> comfortable with it.
>>
>> As mentioned earlier on the List, we took several guys out
>> with us who found their first meteorite on this trip. We
>> also hunted with some of our gracious landowners and showed
>> them how to find meteorites on their own property, and asked
>> them to let us know if they turned up anything in future. As
>> such, I will not have the great group of people I was
>> hunting with portrayed on the List as "uncooperative secret
>> searchers." I notice that your team members Robert and
>> Shauna did not have their totals posted on Teddy's list.
>> Maybe you could devote your energy to collecting data from
>> your own people before complaining about anyone else.
>>
>> It's excellent that detailed find data is being compiled on
>> this fall. This may be the most accurate strewnfield data
>> collected in the US since Jim Kriegh, Twink Monrad, John
>> Blennert and friends mapped Gold Basin in the 1990s. And it
>> would be even better if we could get along while doing it,
>> without pointing fingers.
>>
>>
>> Geoff N.
>>
>> www.aerolite.org
>> www.meteoriteblog.org
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 00:27:55 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:27:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] thought on the amazing West meteorite fall.
Message-ID: <163043.69858.qm@web110606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Late at night here in Texas, about my only free moments after cleaning up and doctering the many blisters on my feet! Up late tonight, as it seems that almost one amazing month after our newest resident to Earth arrived, the party may be about to end. A very serious rainfall event is almost here, and as sad as it is that pristine meteorites are about to be soaked, Texas is in extreme drought and needs this rain. Most of the farm fields are planted, waiting for this, and many ponds are dry or nearly so. Everyone here is watching the sky and tonight is likely the night. 

We have saved hundreds of meteorites for museums, scientific study, and private collectors. With at least 60, more likely 70 meteorite hunters, he have spent thousands of man-hours walking the fields. I myself have walked well over 200 miles in the last month, finding 19 meteorites myself, buying more, and losing a few pounds in the meantime! More than 200 meteorite pieces have been recovered, with a total known weight now approaching ~7.5 kilos or so. All of this done in a mostly friendly way, some friction, but nothing much to speak about. 
We are all now collaborating on the data, and getting this thing right and in the bulletin ASAP. Some great and not so great media attention has fueled further interest in our field. Just today was at John Enders property (the only pay-to-play game in town where more than ~60 meteorites have been found) and a car pulled up, and a woman got out. She asked us and the landowner if we were hunting meteorites, we all replied yes and she immediately asked the terms. He told her $50.00 per day, and a gram price for whatever you find. Sunrise to sunset are hunting times. She plans to return and hunt with some friends from Dallas! 
Anyone coming here, contact John and Gary Enders 254 709 9323 and you can search 500 acres of farmland covered in meteorites! I saw 9 pieces pulled off that land in the last 3 days. This is your best chance as many landowners do not want more people around sadly. 

This fall has been amazing, like Park Forest 6 years ago, it allowed so many people to find their first meteorites, and first fall pieces. And a new meteorite was saved from the dirt as much as possible.
I sure hope another one comes down sooner than later. 6 years was too long to wait for a great American gold rush!

Michael Farmer

From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 00:30:03 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:30:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
Message-ID: <801192.40001.qm@web110604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Not asking for the coordinates, just number of stones and weight.
You already provided, as have most, thanks for that, much appreciated.

By the way Rob, I had the pleasure of hunting all day with Hopper again, as I have many times since day one, and I found a perfect oriented meteorite with Hopper in tow. 
That is sure one lovable mutt!
Michael Farmer

--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Rob Wesel <rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com> wrote:

> From: Rob Wesel <rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
> To: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>, "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, "Notkin" <geoking at notkin.net>
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 10:14 PM
> Hi guys
> 
> I did report my totals and weights and I look forward to
> sharing coordinate data when all the members of our team
> agree we have completed searching the coordinate areas. We
> have folks still going back and forth. The data will be
> shared, but not at the cost of those with whom I owe the
> finds to. So, if the MAPS article or Meteorite Magazine
> article have to be this week, they will be short my data. I
> doubt anything I have is going to shed much unforeseen light
> as far as changing the distribution ellipse but I WILL share
> the data, worry not. If you have to publish right away then
> anticipate someone else producing the revised edition. It's
> been three weeks, to publish the known strewnfield at this
> moment is myopic.
> 
> Rob Wesel
> http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>;
> "Notkin" <geoking at notkin.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative
> secret searchers ?
> 
> 
> > 
> > Geoff
> > 
> > Perhaps you are mistaken in you assumptions.
> > I along with Robert Woolard asked for that data at
> first so that the article in Meteorite Magazine could be
> written with as much up-to-date information as possible as
> we were on an extremely tight time limit.
> > We got no response from several people, and merely
> asked several times. I have all data from the people I was
> working with, and as I said earlier, there was no need to
> provide daily additions until we are finished hunting. I saw
> 5 more stones found today, I found one of them. The people I
> named were already gone from the field so their totals would
> be final or nearly so.
> > 
> > As far as "Teddy" goes. I am a little interested how a
> person who is absolutely unknown, and who has never posted a
> single post to the list suddenly came to be 48 hours ago and
> is now the point man for West field work. Using a GMAIL
> account and appearing out of nowhere and getting all of the
> West data yet nobody knows who he is makes me wonder a few
> things.
> > 
> > "Teddy" email me your phone number so we can chat, I
> would like to know who I am reporting data to.
> > 
> > I am working on this map, I have about 60% of the
> known stones and to add your crew's stones would assist not
> me, but science.
> > So please let me know the totals if possible or they
> will not be included.
> > There is no problem here, no need to argue over this.
> Everyone seems to be extremely successful and almost
> everyone who came found meteorites. Let's finish it up and
> get the data assembled in the best way possible.
> > Michael Farmer
> > 
> > Still in the field, but it looks like heavy rain
> starting tonight.
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Notkin <geoking at notkin.net>
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Notkin <geoking at notkin.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the
> uncooperative secret searchers ?
> >> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 9:40 AM
> >> Michael Farmer wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Steve Arnold Notkin
> >> > Thompson Phillips wesel
> >> > All are refusing to share a scrap of data
> >> > Mike
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Mike:
> >> 
> >> I suggest you get your facts straight before you
> start
> >> accusing my team mates of anything.
> >> 
> >> Rob Wesel, Patrick Thompson, Ruben Garica, Jason
> Philips,
> >> Mike Miller, Steve Arnold, John Sinclair and
> myself have all
> >> already provided our find numbers and weights to
> Teddy. I'm
> >> sure other numbers will be forthcoming when the
> finders are
> >> comfortable with it.
> >> 
> >> As mentioned earlier on the List, we took several
> guys out
> >> with us who found their first meteorite on this
> trip. We
> >> also hunted with some of our gracious landowners
> and showed
> >> them how to find meteorites on their own property,
> and asked
> >> them to let us know if they turned up anything in
> future. As
> >> such, I will not have the great group of people I
> was
> >> hunting with portrayed on the List as
> "uncooperative secret
> >> searchers." I notice that your team members Robert
> and
> >> Shauna did not have their totals posted on Teddy's
> list.
> >> Maybe you could devote your energy to collecting
> data from
> >> your own people before complaining about anyone
> else.
> >> 
> >> It's excellent that detailed find data is being
> compiled on
> >> this fall. This may be the most accurate
> strewnfield data
> >> collected in the US since Jim Kriegh, Twink
> Monrad, John
> >> Blennert and friends mapped Gold Basin in the
> 1990s. And it
> >> would be even better if we could get along while
> doing it,
> >> without pointing fingers.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Geoff N.
> >> 
> >> www.aerolite.org
> >> www.meteoriteblog.org
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> 
> 

From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Wed Mar 11 00:38:46 2009
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:38:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] thought on the amazing West meteorite fall.
In-Reply-To: <163043.69858.qm@web110606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <163043.69858.qm@web110606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56465.71.226.60.25.1236746326.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Mike and all:

This has been an exciting past few months.

In fact Meteorite magazine will have six articles on three recent falls,
which must be a record!

Thanks to all of you who contributed.

Larry

On Tue, March 10, 2009 9:27 pm, Michael Farmer wrote:
>

> Late at night here in Texas, about my only free moments after cleaning up
> and doctering the many blisters on my feet! Up late tonight, as it seems
> that almost one amazing month after our newest resident to Earth arrived,
> the party may be about to end. A very serious rainfall event is almost
> here, and as sad as it is that pristine meteorites are about to be
> soaked, Texas is in extreme drought and needs this rain. Most of the farm
> fields are planted, waiting for this, and many ponds are dry or nearly
> so. Everyone here is watching the sky and tonight is likely the night.
>
> We have saved hundreds of meteorites for museums, scientific study, and
> private collectors. With at least 60, more likely 70 meteorite hunters,
> he have spent thousands of man-hours walking the fields. I myself have
> walked well over 200 miles in the last month, finding 19 meteorites
> myself, buying more, and losing a few pounds in the meantime! More than
> 200 meteorite pieces have been recovered, with a total known weight now
> approaching ~7.5 kilos or so. All of this done in a mostly friendly way,
> some friction, but nothing much to speak about. We are all now
> collaborating on the data, and getting this thing right and in the
> bulletin ASAP. Some great and not so great media attention has fueled
> further interest in our field. Just today was at John Enders property
> (the only pay-to-play game in town where more than ~60 meteorites have
> been found) and a car pulled up, and a woman got out. She asked us and
> the landowner if we were hunting meteorites, we all replied yes and she
> immediately asked the terms. He told her $50.00 per day, and a gram price
> for whatever you find. Sunrise to sunset are hunting times. She plans to
> return and hunt with some friends from Dallas! Anyone coming here, contact
> John and Gary Enders 254 709 9323 and you can search 500 acres of
> farmland covered in meteorites! I saw 9 pieces pulled off that land in
> the last 3 days. This is your best chance as many landowners do not want
> more people around sadly.
>
> This fall has been amazing, like Park Forest 6 years ago, it allowed so
> many people to find their first meteorites, and first fall pieces. And a
> new meteorite was saved from the dirt as much as possible. I sure hope
> another one comes down sooner than later. 6 years was too long to wait
> for a great American gold rush!
>
> Michael Farmer
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>



From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Wed Mar 11 00:40:14 2009
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:40:14 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
References: <801192.40001.qm@web110604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003001c9a203$790656f0$6501a8c0@windows9bb74fe>

Very good, I thought coordinates were the issue.

As for Hopper, she got definately earned her keep and I think we were the 
most fun she's had in years...back to hearding cattle. I DO NOT recommend 
holding her in your lap though. Smell doesn't wash off.

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Notkin" 
<geoking at notkin.net>; "Rob Wesel" <rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?


>
> Not asking for the coordinates, just number of stones and weight.
> You already provided, as have most, thanks for that, much appreciated.
>
> By the way Rob, I had the pleasure of hunting all day with Hopper again, 
> as I have many times since day one, and I found a perfect oriented 
> meteorite with Hopper in tow.
> That is sure one lovable mutt!
> Michael Farmer
>
> --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Rob Wesel <rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Rob Wesel <rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers 
>> ?
>> To: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>, "Meteorite List" 
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, "Notkin" <geoking at notkin.net>
>> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 10:14 PM
>> Hi guys
>>
>> I did report my totals and weights and I look forward to
>> sharing coordinate data when all the members of our team
>> agree we have completed searching the coordinate areas. We
>> have folks still going back and forth. The data will be
>> shared, but not at the cost of those with whom I owe the
>> finds to. So, if the MAPS article or Meteorite Magazine
>> article have to be this week, they will be short my data. I
>> doubt anything I have is going to shed much unforeseen light
>> as far as changing the distribution ellipse but I WILL share
>> the data, worry not. If you have to publish right away then
>> anticipate someone else producing the revised edition. It's
>> been three weeks, to publish the known strewnfield at this
>> moment is myopic.
>>
>> Rob Wesel
>> http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
>> ------------------
>> We are the music makers...
>> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
>> Willy Wonka, 1971
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Farmer" 
>> <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>;
>> "Notkin" <geoking at notkin.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative
>> secret searchers ?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Geoff
>> >
>> > Perhaps you are mistaken in you assumptions.
>> > I along with Robert Woolard asked for that data at
>> first so that the article in Meteorite Magazine could be
>> written with as much up-to-date information as possible as
>> we were on an extremely tight time limit.
>> > We got no response from several people, and merely
>> asked several times. I have all data from the people I was
>> working with, and as I said earlier, there was no need to
>> provide daily additions until we are finished hunting. I saw
>> 5 more stones found today, I found one of them. The people I
>> named were already gone from the field so their totals would
>> be final or nearly so.
>> >
>> > As far as "Teddy" goes. I am a little interested how a
>> person who is absolutely unknown, and who has never posted a
>> single post to the list suddenly came to be 48 hours ago and
>> is now the point man for West field work. Using a GMAIL
>> account and appearing out of nowhere and getting all of the
>> West data yet nobody knows who he is makes me wonder a few
>> things.
>> >
>> > "Teddy" email me your phone number so we can chat, I
>> would like to know who I am reporting data to.
>> >
>> > I am working on this map, I have about 60% of the
>> known stones and to add your crew's stones would assist not
>> me, but science.
>> > So please let me know the totals if possible or they
>> will not be included.
>> > There is no problem here, no need to argue over this.
>> Everyone seems to be extremely successful and almost
>> everyone who came found meteorites. Let's finish it up and
>> get the data assembled in the best way possible.
>> > Michael Farmer
>> >
>> > Still in the field, but it looks like heavy rain
>> starting tonight.
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Notkin <geoking at notkin.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Notkin <geoking at notkin.net>
>> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the
>> uncooperative secret searchers ?
>> >> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> >> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 9:40 AM
>> >> Michael Farmer wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Steve Arnold Notkin
>> >> > Thompson Phillips wesel
>> >> > All are refusing to share a scrap of data
>> >> > Mike
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mike:
>> >>
>> >> I suggest you get your facts straight before you
>> start
>> >> accusing my team mates of anything.
>> >>
>> >> Rob Wesel, Patrick Thompson, Ruben Garica, Jason
>> Philips,
>> >> Mike Miller, Steve Arnold, John Sinclair and
>> myself have all
>> >> already provided our find numbers and weights to
>> Teddy. I'm
>> >> sure other numbers will be forthcoming when the
>> finders are
>> >> comfortable with it.
>> >>
>> >> As mentioned earlier on the List, we took several
>> guys out
>> >> with us who found their first meteorite on this
>> trip. We
>> >> also hunted with some of our gracious landowners
>> and showed
>> >> them how to find meteorites on their own property,
>> and asked
>> >> them to let us know if they turned up anything in
>> future. As
>> >> such, I will not have the great group of people I
>> was
>> >> hunting with portrayed on the List as
>> "uncooperative secret
>> >> searchers." I notice that your team members Robert
>> and
>> >> Shauna did not have their totals posted on Teddy's
>> list.
>> >> Maybe you could devote your energy to collecting
>> data from
>> >> your own people before complaining about anyone
>> else.
>> >>
>> >> It's excellent that detailed find data is being
>> compiled on
>> >> this fall. This may be the most accurate
>> strewnfield data
>> >> collected in the US since Jim Kriegh, Twink
>> Monrad, John
>> >> Blennert and friends mapped Gold Basin in the
>> 1990s. And it
>> >> would be even better if we could get along while
>> doing it,
>> >> without pointing fingers.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Geoff N.
>> >>
>> >> www.aerolite.org
>> >> www.meteoriteblog.org
>> >> ______________________________________________
>> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >>
>> > ______________________________________________
>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>>
>> 


From cdtucson at cox.net  Wed Mar 11 01:31:24 2009
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 1:31:24 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave
In-Reply-To: <0977FBF2-EFFB-4976-B550-73041FFFF8A8@dof3.com>
Message-ID: <20090311013124.615F5.76777.imail@fed1rmwml36>

Darryl, Anne, Martin, all,
To Darryl's point; When we bombed Japan we detonated well above grade. I would think we would all agree that the people were killed by the bomb even though not a direct hit.
But even more important to the true hammer issue is that the big bang that caused the crater at Carancas did in fact hit a spring that had built around it, man made levees in order to hold back the water for the animals to drink from. That means by definition the whole enchilada  was a hammer and not just the pieces that hit the house because  it destroyed a man made levee. 
I would also like to add that Carancas is the most under appreciated hammer of them all. This fall caused all of the books on impact to need to be re-written.  In addition it's cosmochemistry is still considered inexplicable and not even published yet because they cannot figure it out. I am told they had the test equipment sent back to be re calibrated the readings were so odd. But it turned out that the instruments were okay after all and Carancas is just some really strange and historical event.
My 2 more cents.

Carl Esparza
Imca 5829
meteoritemax

---- Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote: 
> 
> 
> Hi Walter!
> 
> With all respect....
> 
> In ANY report---except where there exist the specificity of a coroner  
> or scholarly assessment---bomb victims are bomb victims.
> 
> There is never differentiation between those killed by blast injury,  
> penetrating wounds, blunt trauma or smoke/fire.  In fact the foregoing  
> types of injury are correctly referred to as primary, secondary,  
> tertiary and miscellaneous BLAST INJURIES.  Primary blast injury is  
> specifically a rapid increase in air pressure--a shock wave.
> 
> If the bull was killed by a shock wave created by an impact---it was  
> killed by the impact.
> 
> And that's no bull....
> 
> ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Walter Branch wrote:
> 
> > Hello Darryl,
> >
> >> is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock
> >> wave not killed by the bomb?
> >
> > No.  They would killed by the shock wave.
> >
> > If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite  
> > then a "hammer?"  No.
> >
> > Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.
> >
> > It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end -  
> > Douglas Adams.
> >
> > -Walter Branch
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
> > To: "Impactika" <impactika at aol.com>
> > Cc: <IMCA at imcamail.de>; "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > (deep breath)
> >
> > is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by
> > the bomb?
> >
> >
> >
> > hi anne!  ;-)
> >
> >
> > On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Dave, and all,
> >>
> >> I submit another example to you:  Carancas, since it has been   
> >> discussed on the other List.
> >>
> >> In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas  
> >> meteorite  would qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the  
> >> house on the  picture, but it would have to be properly documented,  
> >> with proof  that this specific fragment, and not another one, or a  
> >> piece of  ejecta, is the actual fragment that damaged this roof.   
> >> Any other  fragment is just that: a fragment of the Carancas  
> >> meteorite. As for  the animals, they might have been hit by a shock  
> >> wave, not by a  fragment of the meteorite.
> >>
> >> With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can  
> >> qualify  as hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that  
> >> hit cars,  roofs, .... and only those. And again, only with proper  
> >> verifiable documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just  
> >> that: pieces  of the Park Forest meteorite.
> >>
> >> That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites,  
> >> since  they are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls.
> >>
> >> As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my  
> >> website unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a  
> >> certain  specimen did hit a human, animal, or something man-made  
> >> (roads,  trees, fields.... don't count!).
> >>
> >> But that is my opinion.
> >> Any others?
> >>
> >> Anne Black
> >> IMCA - #2356
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time, altmann at meteorite-martin.de 
> >>  writes:
> >> Von: dave at fallingrocks.com [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com]
> >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. M?rz 2009 15:47
> >> An: Martin Altmann
> >> Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
> >>
> >> Hi, Martin,
> >>
> >> Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web  
> >> interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks:
> >>
> >> . . . . . . . . . . .
> >> The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that  
> >> they  are most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers.   
> >> These  newbie collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous  
> >> price  because a piece of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a  
> >> hut --  yet the piece they're contemplating purchase around was  
> >> picked up in  a field two miles away. Thuathe might not be the best  
> >> example, as  it's a killer meteorite in its own right.  Your  
> >> example of Gao- Guenie, though by no means reflected in market  
> >> pricing (yet,  anyway), might be better.
> >>
> >> . . . . . . . . . . .
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> IMCA #5967
> >>
> >> www.fallingrocks.com
> >>
> >>
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> >> recession.
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From waltbranch at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar 11 06:48:25 2009
From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:48:25 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave
References: <003001c9a193$1b724d70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><b3dd0c7c.b62b.4495.ad9f.dd6aa93e19ca@aol.com>
	<10899F05-208C-43B6-AB6F-A15CC688554F@dof3.com>
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Message-ID: <7F31B3F331CD42649D63FA6275D70D2D@Walter>

Hi Darryl,

Okay, but...

>or scholarly assessment---

That's what I assumed we are attempting.  This list is for meteorite 
enthusiasts, not journalism enthusiasts.

I propose we stick to discussing meteorites, not bomb blasts.

-Walter

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
To: "Walter Branch" <waltbranch at bellsouth.net>
Cc: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave




Hi Walter!

With all respect....

In ANY report---except where there exist the specificity of a coroner
or scholarly assessment---bomb victims are bomb victims.

There is never differentiation between those killed by blast injury,
penetrating wounds, blunt trauma or smoke/fire.  In fact the foregoing
types of injury are correctly referred to as primary, secondary,
tertiary and miscellaneous BLAST INJURIES.  Primary blast injury is
specifically a rapid increase in air pressure--a shock wave.

If the bull was killed by a shock wave created by an impact---it was
killed by the impact.

And that's no bull....

;-)



On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Walter Branch wrote:

> Hello Darryl,
>
>> is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock
>> wave not killed by the bomb?
>
> No.  They would killed by the shock wave.
>
> If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite  then a 
> "hammer?"  No.
>
> Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.
>
> It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end - 
> Douglas Adams.
>
> -Walter Branch
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
> To: "Impactika" <impactika at aol.com>
> Cc: <IMCA at imcamail.de>; "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave
>
>
>
> (deep breath)
>
> is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by
> the bomb?
>
>
>
> hi anne!  ;-)
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote:
>
>> Hello Dave, and all,
>>
>> I submit another example to you:  Carancas, since it has been   discussed 
>> on the other List.
>>
>> In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas  meteorite 
>> would qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the  house on the 
>> picture, but it would have to be properly documented,  with proof  that 
>> this specific fragment, and not another one, or a  piece of  ejecta, is 
>> the actual fragment that damaged this roof.   Any other  fragment is just 
>> that: a fragment of the Carancas  meteorite. As for  the animals, they 
>> might have been hit by a shock  wave, not by a  fragment of the 
>> meteorite.
>>
>> With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can  qualify  as 
>> hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that  hit cars,  roofs, 
>> .... and only those. And again, only with proper  verifiable 
>> documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just  that: pieces  of 
>> the Park Forest meteorite.
>>
>> That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites,  since 
>> they are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls.
>>
>> As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my  website 
>> unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a  certain  specimen 
>> did hit a human, animal, or something man-made  (roads,  trees, 
>> fields.... don't count!).
>>
>> But that is my opinion.
>> Any others?
>>
>> Anne Black
>> IMCA - #2356
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time, 
>> altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
>> Von: dave at fallingrocks.com [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com]
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. M?rz 2009 15:47
>> An: Martin Altmann
>> Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
>>
>> Hi, Martin,
>>
>> Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web 
>> interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks:
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . .
>> The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that  they 
>> are most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers.   These  newbie 
>> collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous  price  because a 
>> piece of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a  hut --  yet the piece 
>> they're contemplating purchase around was  picked up in  a field two 
>> miles away. Thuathe might not be the best  example, as  it's a killer 
>> meteorite in its own right.  Your  example of Gao- Guenie, though by no 
>> means reflected in market  pricing (yet,  anyway), might be better.
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . .
>> Dave
>>
>> IMCA #5967
>>
>> www.fallingrocks.com
>>
>>
>> Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a   recession.
>> _______________________________________________
>> IMCA mailing list
>> IMCA at imcamail.de
>> http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca
>
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Wed Mar 11 06:57:43 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:57:43 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings
In-Reply-To: <bc9.48912a32.36e88223@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090311105743.KGN7Y.24474.root@web01-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Tom, All...

The metallic sheens produced in ceramics..eg Raku, are not produced by metal vapors but by subjecting the metal oxides in the clay or glazes to an environment without oxygen whilst still red hot (not sure of the actual temp without research) often this is by introducing gases to the kiln or removing the pot from a red hot kiln and plunging it into dead leaves or newspapers. Thus you get a reduction of the oxides as the combustables suck away the oxygen leaving the pure metals...often producing wonderful sheens in all colours....various copper and iron oxides are usually used.

So for the same mechanism to work on the fusion crust of a meteorite it would have to be when it was still incandescent... I think...in a poor oxygen environment.

So how much oxygen is there up where the West fireball was still burning???

If very little then that could be the cause...but I would have expected it to happen much more often, unless Sau 001 and West have a particular oxide in their matrix which is more prone to reduction when fragmented high up as they probably were.


Graham Ensor, UK.


---- STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com wrote: 
> Hi Robert and list,  I just looked at the  post of the image on Michael's 
> site (Thanks!!!).   
> 
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/West-markings.html
> 
> 
> SaU 001 has  a copper metallic sheen on some of the examples.  I wonder if it 
> is the  same process at work?
> 
> I am convinced it is the result of metals internal  to the meteorite 
> vaporized and depositing in the crust.  Very similar to  pottery glazes.  Different 
> metals=different colors.  This metallic  glaze has stood up to hundreds of years 
> in the Oman desert.  I think it is  in the glass of the crust (so to speak).
> 
> I have taken some heat on this  but I have tried to wear the glaze off by 
> carrying small samples in my pocket  for extended periods.  It is in the glass 
> that forms the crust and is not  part of the weathering process as has been 
> suggested in SaU 001.  In fact  this metalic finish has been dismissed as just a 
> weathering phenomenon.   
> 
> I am very excited to see a similar looking deposit on a fresh  fall.
> 
> Email me for some cool SaU 001 crust shoots but be advised, I am  not as good 
> with macro as micro!
> 
> Tom Phillips
> 
> In a message  dated 3/10/2009 6:03:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
> meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  writes:
> 
> List,
> 
> I have been meaning to ask about the  "blue-silvery" markings on some of the 
> West specimens we found. I see that  McCartney Taylor mentions it on his new 
> web site. I showed the 60g meteorite  that it is best represented on from our 
> finds to several "in-the-know-guys",  such as Mike Farmer and Robert Haag, who 
> both have a seen a LOT more meteorites  than I have. Neither of them had ever 
> seen anything like it before. That seems  to be a fairly significant 
> statement.  Robert tossed around the idea that  it MIGHT be related to the copper 
> content in this meteorite, and MIGHT be some  kind of "copper-related-melt-splash" 
> ????? ( Not trying to start any wild,  fantastic claims here at all. Like I 
> said, this is just some musings out loud.  He also said it might be some type of 
> troilite melt-splash, or something else  completely. But the point is, 
> wouldn't most of us agree that if NO one (that  I've asked) has seen something like 
> this before, it must be fairly uncommon  at
> the least??? 
> 
> If anyone has ever seen anything like this  before or knows what it is, I 
> would love to hear from you.
> 
> I don't  have a website, or a photo hosting site, but I would be happy to 
> send a photo  that displays the markings directly to anyone who requests it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Robert  Woolard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Wed Mar 11 07:28:00 2009
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:28:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] February and August issues of Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <56465.71.226.60.25.1236746326.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
References: <163043.69858.qm@web110606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<56465.71.226.60.25.1236746326.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <50024.71.226.60.25.1236770880.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Again Everyone:

I am starting to get questions about the February issue.

Yes, it is late. Fayetteville, Arkansas, where the magazine is published
(not warm, sunny, Tucson) had one of those bad ice storms at the end of
January which shut down the University of Arkansas for a week. That put
the publication date (normal late February) back more than a week. When
the February issue is finally mailed out, I will let you know.

As I said in my last email, Nancy and I are busy on the May issue and hope
to have it off to the publishers in 12 days (our deadline).

So, now it is time to think about the August issue (it never ends).
Because of the large number of fall articles (and some authors do not know
when to stop writing), we have an unusal number of articles that normally
would have made the May issue but will be delayed until the August issue
(I will be contacting all of the authors about this).

However, we still need articles for the August issue. So, if you are
interested in writing an article, please let me know. The sooner the
better. Our next deadline for receipt of articles is May 18. Even if you
have never written before, but you have a good idea for an article that
will be of interest of our readers, please contact us.

Thanks,

Larry


From darryl at dof3.com  Wed Mar 11 07:52:46 2009
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:52:46 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull
In-Reply-To: <7F31B3F331CD42649D63FA6275D70D2D@Walter>
References: <003001c9a193$1b724d70$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><b3dd0c7c.b62b.4495.ad9f.dd6aa93e19ca@aol.com>
	<10899F05-208C-43B6-AB6F-A15CC688554F@dof3.com>
	<31640D22380B43B192B2137DF6436FE9@Walter>
	<0977FBF2-EFFB-4976-B550-73041FFFF8A8@dof3.com>
	<7F31B3F331CD42649D63FA6275D70D2D@Walter>
Message-ID: <8E44FF9E-4CE7-4FA4-AB58-A52B05D14F5B@dof3.com>


Hiya,

My point was that an impact/blast that results in a mortality  
producing shock wave is universally defined as an impact/blast  
casualty.   Your attempt to pull shock waves out of the equation in an  
assessment of an impact/blast is akin to taking water out the equation  
in a drowning.

Moving on, I feel I should clarify my position.  I never liked the  
term "hammer"---it feels so comic strip-y---and agree it's overused.   
I agree with Anne's orthodoxy on the application of the term---except  
as it pertains to the point addressed above.


All best / d,





On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:48 AM, Walter Branch wrote:

> Hi Darryl,
>
> Okay, but...
>
>> or scholarly assessment---
>
> That's what I assumed we are attempting.  This list is for meteorite  
> enthusiasts, not journalism enthusiasts.
>
> I propose we stick to discussing meteorites, not bomb blasts.
>
> -Walter
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
> To: "Walter Branch" <waltbranch at bellsouth.net>
> Cc: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation  
> from Dave
>
>
>
>
> Hi Walter!
>
> With all respect....
>
> In ANY report---except where there exist the specificity of a coroner
> or scholarly assessment---bomb victims are bomb victims.
>
> There is never differentiation between those killed by blast injury,
> penetrating wounds, blunt trauma or smoke/fire.  In fact the foregoing
> types of injury are correctly referred to as primary, secondary,
> tertiary and miscellaneous BLAST INJURIES.  Primary blast injury is
> specifically a rapid increase in air pressure--a shock wave.
>
> If the bull was killed by a shock wave created by an impact---it was
> killed by the impact.
>
> And that's no bull....
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Walter Branch wrote:
>
>> Hello Darryl,
>>
>>> is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock
>>> wave not killed by the bomb?
>>
>> No.  They would killed by the shock wave.
>>
>> If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite   
>> then a "hammer?"  No.
>>
>> Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.
>>
>> It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end -  
>> Douglas Adams.
>>
>> -Walter Branch
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
>> To: "Impactika" <impactika at aol.com>
>> Cc: <IMCA at imcamail.de>; "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite- 
>> martin.de>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> (deep breath)
>>
>> is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed  
>> by
>> the bomb?
>>
>>
>>
>> hi anne!  ;-)
>>
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Dave, and all,
>>>
>>> I submit another example to you:  Carancas, since it has been    
>>> discussed on the other List.
>>>
>>> In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas   
>>> meteorite would qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the   
>>> house on the picture, but it would have to be properly  
>>> documented,  with proof  that this specific fragment, and not  
>>> another one, or a  piece of  ejecta, is the actual fragment that  
>>> damaged this roof.   Any other  fragment is just that: a fragment  
>>> of the Carancas  meteorite. As for  the animals, they might have  
>>> been hit by a shock  wave, not by a  fragment of the meteorite.
>>>
>>> With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can   
>>> qualify  as hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that   
>>> hit cars,  roofs, .... and only those. And again, only with  
>>> proper  verifiable documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest  
>>> are just  that: pieces  of the Park Forest meteorite.
>>>
>>> That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites,   
>>> since they are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls.
>>>
>>> As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my   
>>> website unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a   
>>> certain  specimen did hit a human, animal, or something man-made   
>>> (roads,  trees, fields.... don't count!).
>>>
>>> But that is my opinion.
>>> Any others?
>>>
>>> Anne Black
>>> IMCA - #2356
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time, altmann at meteorite-martin.de 
>>>  writes:
>>> Von: dave at fallingrocks.com [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com]
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. M?rz 2009 15:47
>>> An: Martin Altmann
>>> Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
>>>
>>> Hi, Martin,
>>>
>>> Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web  
>>> interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks:
>>>
>>> . . . . . . . . . . .
>>> The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that   
>>> they are most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers.    
>>> These  newbie collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous   
>>> price  because a piece of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of  
>>> a  hut --  yet the piece they're contemplating purchase around  
>>> was  picked up in  a field two miles away. Thuathe might not be  
>>> the best  example, as  it's a killer meteorite in its own right.   
>>> Your  example of Gao- Guenie, though by no means reflected in  
>>> market  pricing (yet,  anyway), might be better.
>>>
>>> . . . . . . . . . . .
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> IMCA #5967
>>>
>>> www.fallingrocks.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a    
>>> recession.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 08:27:39 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:27:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
Message-ID: <572826.79009.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



> I recall from reports at the time that some already dead and
> buried "Carcancas Carcasses" were
> excavated/exposed by/near the crater.  Something else was
> mentioned during the fog of thought and fear immediately
> engulfing the event:a claim was made that animals had been
> killed by the impact in the event a re-reimbursement claim
> could be made should this turn out to be an errant military
> munition or other big pocket liability claim. Subsequently
> the animal deaths were confirmed to have been several days
> before.AFAIR
> 
> So I guess the new moniker for this class could be
> "grave digger".
> 
> Elton
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 3/10/09, cdtucson at cox.net
> <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and
> Hammers - CARANCAS
> > To: "Meteorite List"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, "Jeff
> Kuyken" <info at meteorites.com.au>, "Don
> Merchant" <dmerchan at rochester.rr.com>,
> "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
> > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 5:42 PM
> > Don,
> >  Actually they never did figure out the source of the
> > smell. My crew interviewed the land owner and she too
> > testified that two of her animals had been killed by
> the
> > impact  of the blast. We did not think to photograph
> dead
> > animals after four days of rotting but we did document
> on
> > paper. The bull he mentions may have been one of hers.
> And
> > again, this hit a human maintained spring used to
> water the
> > animals and that is why it filled so quickly with
> water. Not
> > hard to imagine animals were at their watering hole.
> And
> > that aint no bull either.
> > Carl Esparza

From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 09:06:36 2009
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:06:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] stolen 50 pound meteorite bought for $10
Message-ID: <416814.84061.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Dear List,
  Here is a new story about a stolen 50 pound Canyon Diablo? meteorite.
Anyone on this list know any details?  Is it a fact that the meteorite was at the Meteorite Crater museum exhibit?
 
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/

Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo

From advance375a at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 09:45:57 2009
From: advance375a at yahoo.com (Todd Michael)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:45:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:Awesome Lunar Specimen and Other Great Deals
Message-ID: <975867.97349.qm@web110709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


I Have A Tremendous Deal on A Nice Sized 1/4 Gram Specimen Of The Lunar Meteorite DHOFAR 910 Found Here:http://www.innerplanetaryproducts.com/id109.html

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And I will continue adding a tremendous number of Great Specimens to the site as the days and weeks go by.So Remeber To Check In From Time By Time.

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From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Wed Mar 11 10:16:12 2009
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:16:12 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
In-Reply-To: <mailman.222.1236772370.6798.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.222.1236772370.6798.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
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I found article this in my email box this morning...

"..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee 
rummage sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of 
metal he figured might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.

He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 
50,000 years ago.

"For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from 
blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired 
foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.

Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and 
realized that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that 
the thing never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV 
show, he held a magnet up to the object and it stuck.

He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and 
then to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. 
Yes, they said, it's a meteorite.."

READ THE FULL ARTICLE
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html


Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.

Does anyone on-list remember this piece?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA



From fcressy at prodigy.net  Wed Mar 11 10:31:33 2009
From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:31:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
In-Reply-To: <49B7C7AC.7050409@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <655627.65034.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hello all,

Glad the "basket" meteorite is going home.  I remember seeing a post card of it and thinking it was way cool.  Maybe Mike Jensen has the post card in his collection.

Cheers,

Frank

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:

From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:16 AM

I found article this in my email box this morning...

"..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee rummage
sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he figured
might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.

He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 50,000
years ago.

"For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from
blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired
foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.

Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and realized
that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the thing
never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he held a
magnet up to the object and it stuck.

He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and then
to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. Yes, they
said, it's a meteorite.."

READ THE FULL ARTICLE
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html


Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.

Does anyone on-list remember this piece?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA


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From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 11:26:38 2009
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:26:38 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
In-Reply-To: <655627.65034.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <49B7C7AC.7050409@meteoritewatch.com>
	<655627.65034.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f9da8300903110826x3d9d1caahfc5e8ecefd46be42@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Frank & list
I just put up a page that shows all of the postcards (4) I have of the
"Basket" and once referred to as the "Ring" meteorite. Some of the
postcards mention a weight of 49 pounds and even have the weight
written on the iron in white (paint?). I wonder if that is still on
it?
http://jensenmeteorites.com/Postcards/CanyonDiablo.htm

Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Glad the "basket" meteorite is going home. ?I remember seeing a post card of it and thinking it was way cool. ?Maybe Mike Jensen has the post card in his collection.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank
>
> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:
>
> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:16 AM
>
> I found article this in my email box this morning...
>
> "..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee rummage
> sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he figured
> might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.
>
> He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 50,000
> years ago.
>
> "For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from
> blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired
> foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.
>
> Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and realized
> that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the thing
> never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he held a
> magnet up to the object and it stuck.
>
> He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and then
> to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. Yes, they
> said, it's a meteorite.."
>
> READ THE FULL ARTICLE
> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html
>
>
> Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.
>
> Does anyone on-list remember this piece?
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
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From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 11:45:58 2009
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:45:58 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
In-Reply-To: <6f9da8300903110826x3d9d1caahfc5e8ecefd46be42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49B7C7AC.7050409@meteoritewatch.com>
	<655627.65034.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6f9da8300903110826x3d9d1caahfc5e8ecefd46be42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f9da8300903110845s50a66ef8m156b49b99908f99@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All
I was actually contacted about this meteorite to help confirm that it
was stolen. Here is the reference I had that was used to prove that it
was a hot rock;
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/seri/Metic/0004//0000251.000.html?high=49b7dad54e18398
 or
http://tinyurl.com/bpvomy

The short article also mentions that several others were stolen around
the same time from other institutions as well.
I sure wonder if any of them were/will ever be recovered.

Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Mike Jensen <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Frank & list
> I just put up a page that shows all of the postcards (4) I have of the
> "Basket" and once referred to as the "Ring" meteorite. Some of the
> postcards mention a weight of 49 pounds and even have the weight
> written on the iron in white (paint?). I wonder if that is still on
> it?
> http://jensenmeteorites.com/Postcards/CanyonDiablo.htm
>
> Mike
>
>
> Mike Jensen Meteorites
> 16730 E Ada PL
> Aurora, CO 80017-3137
> USA
> 720-949-6220
> IMCA 4264
> website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Glad the "basket" meteorite is going home. ?I remember seeing a post card of it and thinking it was way cool. ?Maybe Mike Jensen has the post card in his collection.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:16 AM
>>
>> I found article this in my email box this morning...
>>
>> "..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee rummage
>> sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he figured
>> might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.
>>
>> He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 50,000
>> years ago.
>>
>> "For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from
>> blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired
>> foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.
>>
>> Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and realized
>> that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the thing
>> never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he held a
>> magnet up to the object and it stuck.
>>
>> He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and then
>> to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. Yes, they
>> said, it's a meteorite.."
>>
>> READ THE FULL ARTICLE
>> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html
>>
>>
>> Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.
>>
>> Does anyone on-list remember this piece?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
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From element33 at peconic.net  Wed Mar 11 11:46:24 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:46:24 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
References: <mailman.222.1236772370.6798.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<49B7C7AC.7050409@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <0bed01c9a260$88846d30$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>

Thanks Eric - Hi listers

I love that story. And what a beautiful meteorite.
Bravo to Tom Lynch for his attitude and gesture !
I personally feel they could have given him a little more... like 3000.
Don't you think ?

A bit surprised that the scientists in Chicago didn't react faster.
But well... they did it later.

related question: what is the law if you find a meteorite on your property
or public property or else ?
can someone send me a link to the laws basics on that subject ?

In France, if you find something valuable (treasure, archeological artifacts 
etc..)
on your property, you are called the "inventor" but the find belongs to the
State. I am not sure, if someone can confirm, I think the "inventor" gets
50% of the value of the find. But it must be less when objects of 
significant
and difficult to estimate historic value.

A bientot
Michael B, France



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned


>I found article this in my email box this morning...
>
> "..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee rummage 
> sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he 
> figured might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.
>
> He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 
> 50,000 years ago.
>
> "For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from 
> blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired 
> foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.
>
> Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and 
> realized that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the 
> thing never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he 
> held a magnet up to the object and it stuck.
>
> He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and 
> then to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. 
> Yes, they said, it's a meteorite.."
>
> READ THE FULL ARTICLE
> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html
>
>
> Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.
>
> Does anyone on-list remember this piece?
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 




From element33 at peconic.net  Wed Mar 11 11:55:49 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:55:49 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
References: <49B7C7AC.7050409@meteoritewatch.com><655627.65034.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6f9da8300903110826x3d9d1caahfc5e8ecefd46be42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0c0401c9a261$d936bb60$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>

Thanks Mike

Great looking postcards.
I prefer "Ring" to "Basket"...

Michael B, France



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Jensen" <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
To: "Frank Cressy" <fcressy at prodigy.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned


Hi Frank & list
I just put up a page that shows all of the postcards (4) I have of the
"Basket" and once referred to as the "Ring" meteorite. Some of the
postcards mention a weight of 49 pounds and even have the weight
written on the iron in white (paint?). I wonder if that is still on
it?
http://jensenmeteorites.com/Postcards/CanyonDiablo.htm

Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Glad the "basket" meteorite is going home. I remember seeing a post card 
> of it and thinking it was way cool. Maybe Mike Jensen has the post card in 
> his collection.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Frank
>
> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:
>
> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:16 AM
>
> I found article this in my email box this morning...
>
> "..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee rummage
> sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he 
> figured
> might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.
>
> He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 
> 50,000
> years ago.
>
> "For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from
> blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired
> foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.
>
> Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and 
> realized
> that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the thing
> never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he held 
> a
> magnet up to the object and it stuck.
>
> He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and 
> then
> to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. Yes, 
> they
> said, it's a meteorite.."
>
> READ THE FULL ARTICLE
> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html
>
>
> Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.
>
> Does anyone on-list remember this piece?
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
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From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 12:19:44 2009
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:19:44 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
In-Reply-To: <0c0401c9a261$d936bb60$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>
References: <49B7C7AC.7050409@meteoritewatch.com>
	<655627.65034.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6f9da8300903110826x3d9d1caahfc5e8ecefd46be42@mail.gmail.com>
	<0c0401c9a261$d936bb60$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>
Message-ID: <6f9da8300903110919m4aaf1344h1f91bb92670efadf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael
A basket should hold something so it is hard to see how something with
a hole in it would make a good basket. But I guess the problem is
there is another well known ring meteorite from Arizona;
http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/August/ad04-tucson.jpg
I guess maybe minnie-me ring might work;
http://blog.oregonlive.com/houseoffame/2008/08/VernTroyerAP.jpg

Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Michael Bross <element33 at peconic.net> wrote:
> Thanks Mike
>
> Great looking postcards.
> I prefer "Ring" to "Basket"...
>
> Michael B, France
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Jensen" <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
> To: "Frank Cressy" <fcressy at prodigy.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
>
>
> Hi Frank & list
> I just put up a page that shows all of the postcards (4) I have of the
> "Basket" and once referred to as the "Ring" meteorite. Some of the
> postcards mention a weight of 49 pounds and even have the weight
> written on the iron in white (paint?). I wonder if that is still on
> it?
> http://jensenmeteorites.com/Postcards/CanyonDiablo.htm
>
> Mike
>
>
> Mike Jensen Meteorites
> 16730 E Ada PL
> Aurora, CO 80017-3137
> USA
> 720-949-6220
> IMCA 4264
> website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Glad the "basket" meteorite is going home. I remember seeing a post card
>> of it and thinking it was way cool. Maybe Mike Jensen has the post card in
>> his collection.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:16 AM
>>
>> I found article this in my email box this morning...
>>
>> "..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee rummage
>> sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he
>> figured
>> might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.
>>
>> He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some
>> 50,000
>> years ago.
>>
>> "For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from
>> blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired
>> foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.
>>
>> Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and
>> realized
>> that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the thing
>> never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he held
>> a
>> magnet up to the object and it stuck.
>>
>> He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and
>> then
>> to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. Yes,
>> they
>> said, it's a meteorite.."
>>
>> READ THE FULL ARTICLE
>> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html
>>
>>
>> Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.
>>
>> Does anyone on-list remember this piece?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
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> ______________________________________________
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From cmonrad at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 11 12:22:37 2009
From: cmonrad at earthlink.net (Chris Monrad)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:22:37 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
	= unnecessary swipe at collectors
In-Reply-To: <49B7C7AC.7050409@meteoritewatch.com>
References: <mailman.222.1236772370.6798.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<49B7C7AC.7050409@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <004301c9a265$9819e400$c84dac00$@net>

"Andes said Lynch is doing the honest thing and the decent thing, which is
no guarantee in the world of meteorite collectors."

Too bad Andes chose these words....

One could easily insert any number of other occupations with far more
tarnished reputations that have brought our financial system and nation to
its knees.

Investment Banker

SEC regulator

Career Politician

.....



See how easy this ?



-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Wichman
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:16 AM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned

I found article this in my email box this morning...

"..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee 
rummage sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of 
metal he figured might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.

He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 
50,000 years ago.

"For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from 
blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired 
foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.

Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and 
realized that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that 
the thing never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV 
show, he held a magnet up to the object and it stuck.

He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and 
then to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. 
Yes, they said, it's a meteorite.."

READ THE FULL ARTICLE
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html


Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.

Does anyone on-list remember this piece?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA


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From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Mar 11 13:35:27 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:35:27 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
In-Reply-To: <6f9da8300903110845s50a66ef8m156b49b99908f99@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49B7C7AC.7050409@meteoritewatch.com>
	<655627.65034.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6f9da8300903110826x3d9d1caahfc5e8ecefd46be42@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f9da8300903110845s50a66ef8m156b49b99908f99@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <v4tfr4lpftoh8ccf65kda63dqdqmv1e61a@4ax.com>

IANAL, but as far as I can tell, this Diablo is way, way, way beyond Arizona's
Statute of Limitations for theft.  Returning the meteorite is the "nice" thing
to do, but he was in no risk whatsoever keeping it or reselling it however he
pleased.

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/00107.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 12:53:44 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:53:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] RE : Stolen Canyon Diablo Ring to be returned!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.45.1236787286.44550.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <961288.82542.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi List!

What an awesome story that restores a little of my faith in humanity. :)

We should all get together and send Mr. Lynch a Thank-You Card, 
a bottle of Maker's Mark, and a Cohiba Robusto.

I am curious as all heck about the journey this meteorite took
after it was stolen.  Who was the attorney who claimed to
represent the "owners" some time back?  How did they get it?
Did they get spooked and dump it off at a Goodwill donation box?
And how lucky do you have to be, to find a one-of-a-kind museum
meteorite for $10 next to a bunch of cheap knick knacks in a
thrift store?   Wow.  It sounds like an Encyclopedia Brown mystery!

Best regards,

MikeG
 


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Jensen" <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
To: "Frank Cressy" <fcressy at prodigy.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned


Hi Frank & list
I just put up a page that shows all of the postcards (4) I have of the
"Basket" and once referred to as the "Ring" meteorite. Some of the
postcards mention a weight of 49 pounds and even have the weight
written on the iron in white (paint?). I wonder if that is still on
it?
http://jensenmeteorites.com/Postcards/CanyonDiablo.htm

Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com



      

From element33 at peconic.net  Wed Mar 11 12:58:34 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:58:34 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
References: <49B7C7AC.7050409@meteoritewatch.com>
	<655627.65034.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6f9da8300903110826x3d9d1caahfc5e8ecefd46be42@mail.gmail.com>
	<0c0401c9a261$d936bb60$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>
	<6f9da8300903110919m4aaf1344h1f91bb92670efadf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0c6d01c9a26a$9de2cf50$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>

Hi Mike

>From one side, it does actually look like the older rotin/rattan baskets 
with the handle
that I saw in my childhood in France in the 60s.
Ring is just more poetic...

What a beauty that other Ring meteorite ! where is it displayed ?

Michael B, France



From: "Mike Jensen" <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned


> Hi Michael
> A basket should hold something so it is hard to see how something with
> a hole in it would make a good basket. But I guess the problem is
> there is another well known ring meteorite from Arizona;
> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/August/ad04-tucson.jpg
> I guess maybe minnie-me ring might work;
> http://blog.oregonlive.com/houseoffame/2008/08/VernTroyerAP.jpg
>
> Mike
>
>
> Mike Jensen Meteorites
> 16730 E Ada PL
> Aurora, CO 80017-3137
> USA
> 720-949-6220
> IMCA 4264
> website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Michael Bross <element33 at peconic.net> 
> wrote:
>> Thanks Mike
>>
>> Great looking postcards.
>> I prefer "Ring" to "Basket"...
>>
>> Michael B, France
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Jensen" 
>> <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
>> To: "Frank Cressy" <fcressy at prodigy.net>
>> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be 
>> Returned
>>
>>
>> Hi Frank & list
>> I just put up a page that shows all of the postcards (4) I have of the
>> "Basket" and once referred to as the "Ring" meteorite. Some of the
>> postcards mention a weight of 49 pounds and even have the weight
>> written on the iron in white (paint?). I wonder if that is still on
>> it?
>> http://jensenmeteorites.com/Postcards/CanyonDiablo.htm
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Mike Jensen Meteorites
>> 16730 E Ada PL
>> Aurora, CO 80017-3137
>> USA
>> 720-949-6220
>> IMCA 4264
>> website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Glad the "basket" meteorite is going home. I remember seeing a post card
>>> of it and thinking it was way cool. Maybe Mike Jensen has the post card 
>>> in
>>> his collection.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:16 AM
>>>
>>> I found article this in my email box this morning...
>>>
>>> "..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee 
>>> rummage
>>> sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he
>>> figured
>>> might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.
>>>
>>> He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some
>>> 50,000
>>> years ago.
>>>
>>> "For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from
>>> blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired
>>> foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.
>>>
>>> Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and
>>> realized
>>> that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the thing
>>> never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he 
>>> held
>>> a
>>> magnet up to the object and it stuck.
>>>
>>> He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and
>>> then
>>> to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. Yes,
>>> they
>>> said, it's a meteorite.."
>>>
>>> READ THE FULL ARTICLE
>>> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.
>>>
>>> Does anyone on-list remember this piece?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eric Wichman
>>> Meteorites USA
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
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>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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>>
> 




From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 13:06:43 2009
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:06:43 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
In-Reply-To: <0c6d01c9a26a$9de2cf50$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>
References: <49B7C7AC.7050409@meteoritewatch.com>
	<655627.65034.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6f9da8300903110826x3d9d1caahfc5e8ecefd46be42@mail.gmail.com>
	<0c0401c9a261$d936bb60$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>
	<6f9da8300903110919m4aaf1344h1f91bb92670efadf@mail.gmail.com>
	<0c6d01c9a26a$9de2cf50$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>
Message-ID: <6f9da8300903111006h236c5c07l83e903e9dfbeffb8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael
It is at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington DC. Here is a fine
article by Martin Horejsi that has the image that I linked to;
http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/August/Accretion_Desk.htm
Enjoy


Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Michael Bross <element33 at peconic.net> wrote:
> Hi Mike
>
> From one side, it does actually look like the older rotin/rattan baskets
> with the handle
> that I saw in my childhood in France in the 60s.
> Ring is just more poetic...
>
> What a beauty that other Ring meteorite ! where is it displayed ?
>
> Michael B, France
>
>
>
> From: "Mike Jensen" <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
>
>
>> Hi Michael
>> A basket should hold something so it is hard to see how something with
>> a hole in it would make a good basket. But I guess the problem is
>> there is another well known ring meteorite from Arizona;
>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/August/ad04-tucson.jpg
>> I guess maybe minnie-me ring might work;
>> http://blog.oregonlive.com/houseoffame/2008/08/VernTroyerAP.jpg
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> Mike Jensen Meteorites
>> 16730 E Ada PL
>> Aurora, CO 80017-3137
>> USA
>> 720-949-6220
>> IMCA 4264
>> website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Michael Bross <element33 at peconic.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Mike
>>>
>>> Great looking postcards.
>>> I prefer "Ring" to "Basket"...
>>>
>>> Michael B, France
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Jensen"
>>> <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Frank Cressy" <fcressy at prodigy.net>
>>> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be
>>> Returned
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Frank & list
>>> I just put up a page that shows all of the postcards (4) I have of the
>>> "Basket" and once referred to as the "Ring" meteorite. Some of the
>>> postcards mention a weight of 49 pounds and even have the weight
>>> written on the iron in white (paint?). I wonder if that is still on
>>> it?
>>> http://jensenmeteorites.com/Postcards/CanyonDiablo.htm
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Jensen Meteorites
>>> 16730 E Ada PL
>>> Aurora, CO 80017-3137
>>> USA
>>> 720-949-6220
>>> IMCA 4264
>>> website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> Glad the "basket" meteorite is going home. I remember seeing a post card
>>>> of it and thinking it was way cool. Maybe Mike Jensen has the post card
>>>> in
>>>> his collection.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:16 AM
>>>>
>>>> I found article this in my email box this morning...
>>>>
>>>> "..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee
>>>> rummage
>>>> sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he
>>>> figured
>>>> might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.
>>>>
>>>> He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some
>>>> 50,000
>>>> years ago.
>>>>
>>>> "For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from
>>>> blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired
>>>> foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.
>>>>
>>>> Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and
>>>> realized
>>>> that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the thing
>>>> never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he
>>>> held
>>>> a
>>>> magnet up to the object and it stuck.
>>>>
>>>> He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and
>>>> then
>>>> to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. Yes,
>>>> they
>>>> said, it's a meteorite.."
>>>>
>>>> READ THE FULL ARTICLE
>>>> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone on-list remember this piece?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Eric Wichman
>>>> Meteorites USA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
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>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>

From cdtucson at cox.net  Wed Mar 11 13:47:24 2009
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:47:24 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
In-Reply-To: <572826.79009.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090311134724.TZUS8.13126.imail@fed1rmwml37>

Elton,
I'm not questioning your memories of a year and a half ago but, If it is so easy to assume the man in the video is a liar then why do you believe anybody from down there? Not everyone in Peru is a  liar. Do you have some sort of crystal ball? This man had nothing to gain, He was worried about the health of people and the Animals that my Crew saw were killed by the blast according to the land owner. I'm glad you know which ones to believe and not believe but, I will tell you this; My crew was all highly educated people that spoke the native language as well as Spanish. They wrote this all down and included names and dates.

As  a character reference to my crew just ask Bob Haag what kind of people they are? 

Carl Esparza

IMCA 5829

Meteoritemax 



---- Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> 
> 
> > I recall from reports at the time that some already dead and
> > buried "Carcancas Carcasses" were
> > excavated/exposed by/near the crater.  Something else was
> > mentioned during the fog of thought and fear immediately
> > engulfing the event:a claim was made that animals had been
> > killed by the impact in the event a re-reimbursement claim
> > could be made should this turn out to be an errant military
> > munition or other big pocket liability claim. Subsequently
> > the animal deaths were confirmed to have been several days
> > before.AFAIR
> > 
> > So I guess the new moniker for this class could be
> > "grave digger".
> > 
> > Elton
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 3/10/09, cdtucson at cox.net
> > <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and
> > Hammers - CARANCAS
> > > To: "Meteorite List"
> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, "Jeff
> > Kuyken" <info at meteorites.com.au>, "Don
> > Merchant" <dmerchan at rochester.rr.com>,
> > "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
> > > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 5:42 PM
> > > Don,
> > >  Actually they never did figure out the source of the
> > > smell. My crew interviewed the land owner and she too
> > > testified that two of her animals had been killed by
> > the
> > > impact  of the blast. We did not think to photograph
> > dead
> > > animals after four days of rotting but we did document
> > on
> > > paper. The bull he mentions may have been one of hers.
> > And
> > > again, this hit a human maintained spring used to
> > water the
> > > animals and that is why it filled so quickly with
> > water. Not
> > > hard to imagine animals were at their watering hole.
> > And
> > > that aint no bull either.
> > > Carl Esparza
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 13:57:28 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:57:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Doppler radar signature from bolides
Message-ID: <874019.26542.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi - 

I wonder why such a small amount of material produced such a large doppler
signature. Anyone have any guesses?

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      

From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Mar 11 14:06:54 2009
From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:06:54 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW:  Doppler radar signature from bolides
In-Reply-To: <C5DD4BA0.6575%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <C5DD4BCE.6576%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>


Bear in mind that you only find the big rocks when you walk a strewn field.
Meteors routinely produce clouds of falling sand-grain-sized (or smaller)
debris.  Much of this is in the form of metallic or metal-oxide spherules ?
great radar reflectors!

Cheers,
MDF


On 3/11/09 10:57 AM, "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi -
> 
> I wonder why such a small amount of material produced such a large doppler
> signature. Anyone have any guesses?
> 
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
> 
> 
>      
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From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Wed Mar 11 14:26:22 2009
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:26:22 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Doppler radar signature from bolides
Message-ID: <b7811d68107943dbb411a57d6d26cdbc@ucv1.vhostdns.com>

Note that the stoney has a Specific gravity of 3.0 vs water's 1.0.  Indeed, it should have an excellent reflection from radar.

-mt


-------- Original Message --------
> From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:58 PM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Doppler radar signature from bolides
> 
> Hi - 
> 
> I wonder why such a small amount of material produced such a large doppler
> signature. Anyone have any guesses?
> 
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
> 
> 
>       
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 14:57:00 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:57:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) SIKHOTE-ALIN/CAMPO FORSALE/FREEBIES
Message-ID: <782220.13342.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Good afternoon list.First off I have a 225 gram sikote-alin forsale for $100.I also have a 360 campo with a 1.5 cm impact crater for $200 and I have 3 freebies to givaway.I will let you what you get when you are the first 3 to chime in.So get your chimes in and continued great work to west people finding the new fall.Shipping will be free for the freebies but priority shipping on the other 2 pieces.
?
Steve R.Arnold No#1!,Chicago!
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From mlangen at execpc.com  Wed Mar 11 14:58:58 2009
From: mlangen at execpc.com (Mark Langenfeld)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:58:58 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
References: <49B7C7AC.7050409@meteoritewatch.com><655627.65034.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f9da8300903110826x3d9d1caahfc5e8ecefd46be42@mail.gmail.com><6f9da8300903110845s50a66ef8m156b49b99908f99@mail.gmail.com>
	<v4tfr4lpftoh8ccf65kda63dqdqmv1e61a@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <9E56079A4CEE40229BDD7652E71288C5@D5KDJZ51>

Unless he was the original thief (or a collaborator), he probably wouldn't 
be exposed to theft charges anyway.  Possession of or trafficking in stolen 
property, maybe.  Not sure how either Arizona or Wisconsin law would deal 
with that, but I wouldn't say it's risk free.

Mark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned


> IANAL, but as far as I can tell, this Diablo is way, way, way beyond 
> Arizona's
> Statute of Limitations for theft.  Returning the meteorite is the "nice" 
> thing
> to do, but he was in no risk whatsoever keeping it or reselling it however 
> he
> pleased.
>
> http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/00107.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS
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> 


From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 15:04:30 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:04:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West- Blue-Silvery Markings- Thanks and Thoughts
Message-ID: <978884.92928.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hello List, and Rubin,

  First, a big thanks to Michael Johnson for offering to post the photo of my West meteorite with the "markings". I greatly appreciate his help and time.

  Second, another thanks to all who have emailed their thoughts and possible explanations. I appreciate you taking the time to do so, too.

  Third, there seems to be a wide range of theories at this point. It obviously MUST be emphasized that my photo has been the only source for most to base their opinions on, and a not-so-great photo at that, as it is too "washed out"  ( the stone is much darker, much more black in real life, with the markings more pronounced and "shiny".) 

  I have the permission from the respected meteorite researcher who performed the initial classification for this meteorite fall, Alan Rubin, to pass along a VERY PRELIMINARY supposition to the nature of these markings that he emailed to me. As stated above, he wants to emphasize that he too has only seen the photo, not the actual stone with the streaks in person. Here is what his initial thoughts are:

  "When one looks at a fusion crust of an ordinary chondrite in the microscope, one notices that there are numerous tiny magnetite grains there, formed by oxidation during atmospheric passage. It looks to me as if these silvery streaks are just places where the fusion crust has flaked off revealing the magnetite-rich layer underneath."

  Although this explanation is much more "mundane" and not as exciting as some of the others, it VERY well may be the true explanation. But perhaps it is not, as Rubin was very quick to tell me in a separate email. Once more, he has not seen anything but my poor quality photo and can't be expected to make a definitive statement without first hand observation of the stone, as he himself wished to emphasize. 

  Thanks again to all those who have emailed their thoughts.

  Sincerely,
  Robert Woolard














      

From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Wed Mar 11 15:10:42 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:10:42 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] RE : Stolen Canyon Diablo Ring to be returned!
In-Reply-To: <961288.82542.qm@web58405.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090311191042.BLH00.42142.root@web08-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Yes...if anyone deservse a freebee meteorite as a reward then he does!
 
---- Michael Gilmer <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> 
> Hi List!
> 
> What an awesome story that restores a little of my faith in humanity. :)
> 
> We should all get together and send Mr. Lynch a Thank-You Card, 
> a bottle of Maker's Mark, and a Cohiba Robusto.
> 
> I am curious as all heck about the journey this meteorite took
> after it was stolen.  Who was the attorney who claimed to
> represent the "owners" some time back?  How did they get it?
> Did they get spooked and dump it off at a Goodwill donation box?
> And how lucky do you have to be, to find a one-of-a-kind museum
> meteorite for $10 next to a bunch of cheap knick knacks in a
> thrift store?   Wow.  It sounds like an Encyclopedia Brown mystery!
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> MikeG
>  
> 
> 
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> ..........................................................
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Jensen" <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
> To: "Frank Cressy" <fcressy at prodigy.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
> 
> 
> Hi Frank & list
> I just put up a page that shows all of the postcards (4) I have of the
> "Basket" and once referred to as the "Ring" meteorite. Some of the
> postcards mention a weight of 49 pounds and even have the weight
> written on the iron in white (paint?). I wonder if that is still on
> it?
> http://jensenmeteorites.com/Postcards/CanyonDiablo.htm
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> Mike Jensen Meteorites
> 16730 E Ada PL
> Aurora, CO 80017-3137
> USA
> 720-949-6220
> IMCA 4264
> website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
> 
> 
> 
>       
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From catoni52 at sympatico.ca  Wed Mar 11 15:27:20 2009
From: catoni52 at sympatico.ca (catoni52 at sympatico.ca)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:27:20 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] RE : Stolen Canyon Diablo Ring to be returned!
Message-ID: <COL0-F284EE228B0BB3B7B3E8FEAA89E0@phx.gbl>


   Finding the Canyon Diablo for $10.00 at a thrift store or flea market.... 
  reminds me of stories of someone buying a cheap looking painting at a flea 
market for $50.00 or so, only to find out it is a rare oil painting by a 
famous artist worth $2,000,000.00 or $3,000,000.00.  It's happened more then 
once.

   Once in a very rare while, you can find a treasure at a flea market or 
garage sale.. You never know.

   Rob Williamson



From psc2410xi at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 15:28:52 2009
From: psc2410xi at yahoo.com (Don Rawlings)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:28:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) SIKHOTE-ALIN/CAMPO FORSALE/FREEBIES wow
Message-ID: <16896.12629.qm@web59303.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


You made it 5 days Steve.   That is a real accomplishment.  None of us expected you to make it through the month as you promised on March 5th(see your email below).  Next time we need to take up a betting pool.

Don Rawlings

--- On Wed, 3/5/09, steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] [meteorite-list] (AD) 4 SIKOTE-ALINS FORSALE
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Date: Wednesday, March 5, 2009, 5:24 PM



Hi list.My last add of the month.Promise!!I have 4 sikhote-alin meteorites available forsale at .70 per gram.They are 50,113,209,and 225 grams= $35,$79.10,$146.30 and $157.50.All come with free shipping anywhere.Pics of all of them.Offlist please. 
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From mlblood at cox.net  Wed Mar 11 15:34:46 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:34:46 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
In-Reply-To: <655627.65034.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C5DD6066.16D7%mlblood@cox.net>




> From: Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net>
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:31:33 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, Eric Wichman
> <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Glad the "basket" meteorite is going home.  I remember seeing a post card of
> it and thinking it was way cool.  Maybe Mike Jensen has the post card in his
> collection.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Frank
> 
> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:16 AM
> 
> I found article this in my email box this morning...
> 
> "..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee rummage
> sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he figured
> might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.
> 
> He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 50,000
> years ago.
> 
> "For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from
> blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired
> foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.
> 
> Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and realized
> that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the thing
> never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he held a
> magnet up to the object and it stuck.
> 
> He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and then
> to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. Yes, they
> said, it's a meteorite.."
> 
> READ THE FULL ARTICLE
> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html
> 
> 
> Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.
> 
> Does anyone on-list remember this piece?
> 
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
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From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Wed Mar 11 16:06:24 2009
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:06:24 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] West- Blue-Silvery Markings- Thanks and
	Thoughts
Message-ID: <f4c167351b8649e9951a2bec2bedba05@ucv1.vhostdns.com>

My picture of the silver is of fairly good quality. Its the bottom photo.
http://outofabluesky.com/index.php?option=com_jportfolio&cat=4&project=46&Itemid=58

You can see that the silverish area is fairly erratic, not clustered together in a single patch. I'm more inclined to believe a chemical reaction on the ground.  Has anyone found a stone with silverish on BOTH sides?

I do want to note that the stone was found silver side down. 
-mt

-------- Original Message --------
> From: Robert Woolard <meteoritefinder at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:05 PM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] West- Blue-Silvery Markings- Thanks and Thoughts
> 
> Hello List, and Rubin,

> 
>   Third, there seems to be a wide range of theories at this point. It obviously MUST be emphasized that my photo has been the only source for most to base their opinions on, and a not-so-great photo at that, as it is too "washed out"  ( the stone is much darker, much more black in real life, with the markings more pronounced and "shiny".) 
> 
>   I have the permission from the respected meteorite researcher who performed the initial classification for this meteorite fall, Alan Rubin, to pass along a VERY PRELIMINARY supposition to the nature of these markings that he emailed to me. As stated above, he wants to emphasize that he too has only seen the photo, not the actual stone with the streaks in person. Here is what his initial thoughts are:
> 
>   "When one looks at a fusion crust of an ordinary chondrite in the microscope, one notices that there are numerous tiny magnetite grains there, formed by oxidation during atmospheric passage. It looks to me as if these silvery streaks are just places where the fusion crust has flaked off revealing the magnetite-rich layer underneath."
> 
> 



From mlblood at cox.net  Wed Mar 11 15:34:42 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:34:42 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
In-Reply-To: <655627.65034.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C5DD6062.16D7%mlblood@cox.net>




> From: Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net>
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:31:33 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, Eric Wichman
> <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Glad the "basket" meteorite is going home.  I remember seeing a post card of
> it and thinking it was way cool.  Maybe Mike Jensen has the post card in his
> collection.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Frank
> 
> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:16 AM
> 
> I found article this in my email box this morning...
> 
> "..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee rummage
> sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he figured
> might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.
> 
> He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 50,000
> years ago.
> 
> "For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from
> blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired
> foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.
> 
> Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and realized
> that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the thing
> never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he held a
> magnet up to the object and it stuck.
> 
> He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and then
> to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. Yes, they
> said, it's a meteorite.."
> 
> READ THE FULL ARTICLE
> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html
> 
> 
> Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.
> 
> Does anyone on-list remember this piece?
> 
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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> 
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From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 17:28:19 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:28:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Theories
Message-ID: <190517.2198.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hello List, 

  This may well be a repeat to most but I am sending this again as it has not shown up for me as making it to the List after I sent it hours ago. I can see it in the Archives, and I see that McCartney Taylor has both seen it and replied to it.  Please forgive me if you got it before, or if it shows up twice. But I wanted to thank all those who have emailed me, and offer the thoughts of Rubin Allen, etc., and didn't want to take a chance it wouldn't show up for all. I wanted to try sending it again to see if I get the same results, or if it would show up more quickly. 
  
*******************************************************************

  First, a big thanks to Michael Johnson for offering to post the photo of my West meteorite with the "markings". I greatly appreciate his help and time.

  Second, another thanks to all who have emailed their thoughts and possible explanations. I appreciate you taking the time to do so, too.

  Third, there seems to be a wide range of theories at this point. It obviously MUST be emphasized that my photo has been the only source for most to base their opinions on, and a not-so-great photo at that, as it is too "washed out"  ( the stone is much darker, much more black in real life, with the markings more pronounced and "shiny".) 

  I have the permission from the respected meteorite researcher who performed the initial classification for this meteorite fall, Alan Rubin, to pass along a VERY PRELIMINARY supposition to the nature of these markings that he emailed to me. As stated above, he wants to emphasize that he too has only seen the photo, not the actual stone with the streaks in person. Here is what his initial thoughts are:

  "When one looks at a fusion crust of an ordinary chondrite in the microscope, one notices that there are numerous tiny magnetite grains there, formed by oxidation during atmospheric passage. It looks to me as if these silvery streaks are just places where the fusion crust has flaked off revealing the magnetite-rich layer underneath."

  Although this explanation is much more "mundane" and not as exciting as some of the others, it VERY well may be the true explanation. But perhaps it is not, as Rubin was very quick to tell me in a separate email. Once more, he has not seen anything but my poor quality photo and can't be expected to make a definitive statement without first hand observation of the stone, as he himself wished to emphasize. 

  Thanks again to all those who have emailed their thoughts.

  Sincerely,
  Robert Woolard








      

From magbish3 at lowcountry.com  Wed Mar 11 19:00:40 2009
From: magbish3 at lowcountry.com (Mal Bishop)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:00:40 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE and VOYAGE! Magazines -- OUT OF
	PRINT ISSUES
Message-ID: <20090311230053.AA3B1290D0C@smtp1.av-mx.com>


I was going through some stuff and found 18 meteorite related 
magazines I had stashed away and basically
forgot about -- 3 issues of VOYAGE! magazine which were published by 
John Walters and staffed by
Michael Blood, Fred Hall, Hal Povenmire, and Ken Regelman, and 15 
issues of METEORITE magazine
of which 5 are still in their shipping bags unopened.  Also, one of 
the VOYAGE! magazines is still in its
mailing envelope and also has never been opened.  The remaining 13 
issues are in almost PRISTINE condition  --
I mean no marks, no tears, no bends, no "dog-eared" corners -- as 
nearly perfect as the day they were printed and mailed out!
All are in exceptional condition except for the issue of 
Meteorite!  Feb. 1999, Vol. 5, No. 1 which has a very slight (and 
hardly noticeable)
water stain at the very bottom on a few of the pages.  It also has a 
few indentation marks on the front cover and a small ink mark or two 
on the front cover as
well  However, other than a couple of superficial flaws as I 
mentioned, it is like brand new otherwise.  You'll have to trust me
on this.  I think everyone who has dealt with me in the past knows 
I'm as good as my word, and you can trust me when I say these magazines
are exquisite!

For those that are relatively new to the list, you can go to the 
Meteorite mag's website:    http://meteoritemag.uark.edu/515.htm   to 
look at the descriptions of the back issues
I have listed here.  If you wish for me to send scanned images of the 
ones I am personally offering, I'll do so, but it will take a little 
time to get back.

I wish to sell all 18 magazines to someone and get this over with ( I 
don't want to go through what I did a few weeks ago when I was 
selling some of my rocks.  I inadvertently ticked off a couple of 
people, and visa-a-versa) so I'll try and make this tempting to 
someone.  I've seen these OUT OF PRINT issues go anywhere
from $25 per issue to over $40 or more on eBay and elsewhere.  I'll 
let all 18 issues go for $300 plus priority mailing ( which will be 
in a flat rate priority mail box and be $10.35 -- plus delivery 
confirmation for another $0.65 --  in the US of A).  The cost per 
issue for all 18 is like $16.66 if all are purchased at once by 
someone like this.  I'd like to sell them all to the first hard offer 
of $300, but if no one wants them all for $300 then I'll sell them 
for $20 per issue.  I'll hold out for a while to give someone a 
chance to purchase all 18 before breaking it down to individual 
issues.  Come on, someone give me $300 and then take them, mark them 
up, and sell them on eBay or whatever, and make a profit if you don't 
want to keep them for yourself!  :-)

The issues are as follows:

Meteorite!  Feb. 1999, Vol. 5, No. 1

Meteorite!  May 1999, Vol. 5, No. 2

Meteorite!  Aug. 1999, Vol. 5, No. 3

Meteorite!  Nov. 1999, Vol. 5, No. 4

Meteorite!  Feb. 2000, Vol. 6, No. 1

Meteorite!  May 2000, Vol. 6, No. 2

Meteorite!  Aug. 2000, Vol. 6, No. 3

Meteorite!  Nov. 2000, Vol. 6, No. 4  (still in plastic mailing bag)

Meteorite!  Feb. 2001, Vol. 7, No. 1

Meteorite!  Feb. 2002, Vol. 8, No. 1

Meteorite!  May 2002, Vol. 8, No. 2

Meteorite!  Aug. 2002, Vol. 8, No. 3  (still in plastic mailing bag)

Meteorite!  Nov. 2002, Vol. 8, No. 4  (still in plastic mailing bag)

Meteorite!  Feb. 2003, Vol. 9, No. 1  (still in plastic mailing bag)

Meteorite!  May 2003, Vol. 9, No. 2  (still in plastic mailing bag)

Voyage!    November - December 2000,  Vol. 4, No. 3

Voyage!    March - April 2001,  Vol. 4, No. 5  (still in plastic mailing bag)

Voyage!    July - August 2001,  Vol. 5, No. 1


Thanks for your time,
Mal




























From magbish3 at lowcountry.com  Wed Mar 11 19:21:30 2009
From: magbish3 at lowcountry.com (Mal Bishop)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:21:30 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE and VOYAGE! Magazines -- OUT OF
	PRINT ISSUES
Message-ID: <20090311232144.4360B2908B1@smtp1.av-mx.com>


All magazines are sold!


From debfred at att.net  Wed Mar 11 19:42:11 2009
From: debfred at att.net (debfred at att.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:42:11 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
In-Reply-To: <6f9da8300903110919m4aaf1344h1f91bb92670efadf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49B7C7AC.7050409@meteoritewatch.com><655627.65034.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6f9da8300903110826x3d9d1caahfc5e8ecefd46be42@mail.gmail.com><0c0401c9a261$d936bb60$a11c215a@Inspiron8200>
	<6f9da8300903110919m4aaf1344h1f91bb92670efadf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <031120092342.23086.49B84C52000E0A7600005A2E22230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF0B0A9D000D0A0B@att.net>

  Mike and List,
   I spoke to several law enforcement officials in Tucson about any
limitations on theft and stolen property. The consensus was that while there may be no 
criminal liability, the recovery of the stolen property would be settled in a 
civil court. It would be easy to establish ownership of such a unique meteorite and thus be returned to Meteor Crater.  Regards, Fred Olsen
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Mike Jensen <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
>
> Hi Michael
> A basket should hold something so it is hard to see how something with
> a hole in it would make a good basket. But I guess the problem is
> there is another well known ring meteorite from Arizona;
> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/August/ad04-tucson.jpg
> I guess maybe minnie-me ring might work;
> http://blog.oregonlive.com/houseoffame/2008/08/VernTroyerAP.jpg
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> Mike Jensen Meteorites
> 16730 E Ada PL
> Aurora, CO 80017-3137
> USA
> 720-949-6220
> IMCA 4264
> website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Michael Bross <element33 at peconic.net> wrote:
> > Thanks Mike
> >
> > Great looking postcards.
> > I prefer "Ring" to "Basket"...
> >
> > Michael B, France
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Jensen" <meteoriteplaya at gmail.com>
> > To: "Frank Cressy" <fcressy at prodigy.net>
> > Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
> >
> >
> > Hi Frank & list
> > I just put up a page that shows all of the postcards (4) I have of the
> > "Basket" and once referred to as the "Ring" meteorite. Some of the
> > postcards mention a weight of 49 pounds and even have the weight
> > written on the iron in white (paint?). I wonder if that is still on
> > it?
> > http://jensenmeteorites.com/Postcards/CanyonDiablo.htm
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Mike Jensen Meteorites
> > 16730 E Ada PL
> > Aurora, CO 80017-3137
> > USA
> > 720-949-6220
> > IMCA 4264
> > website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> Glad the "basket" meteorite is going home. I remember seeing a post card
> >> of it and thinking it was way cool. Maybe Mike Jensen has the post card in
> >> his collection.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
> >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:16 AM
> >>
> >> I found article this in my email box this morning...
> >>
> >> "..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee rummage
> >> sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he
> >> figured
> >> might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.
> >>
> >> He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some
> >> 50,000
> >> years ago.
> >>
> >> "For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from
> >> blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired
> >> foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.
> >>
> >> Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and
> >> realized
> >> that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the thing
> >> never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he held
> >> a
> >> magnet up to the object and it stuck.
> >>
> >> He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and
> >> then
> >> to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. Yes,
> >> they
> >> said, it's a meteorite.."
> >>
> >> READ THE FULL ARTICLE
> >> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.
> >>
> >> Does anyone on-list remember this piece?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Eric Wichman
> >> Meteorites USA
> >>
> >>
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From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Mar 11 21:02:23 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:02:23 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hopper-- a sordid past?
In-Reply-To: <20090311230053.AA3B1290D0C@smtp1.av-mx.com>
References: <20090311230053.AA3B1290D0C@smtp1.av-mx.com>
Message-ID: <8engr49frro84ode36v1onjvrett78j4np@4ax.com>

I forsee a cottage industry for Hopper Hair(tm).  Have a vet shave 'im down
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jstar/175875277/sizes/o/ and package some hairs
with any West sold.  Hey, if it makes sense for pieces of safety glass and
pieces of vinyl siding...


http://www.einnews.com/pr-news/24093-texas-dog-finds-rock-from-outer-space

Texas Dog Finds Rock From Outer Space

From the wrong side of the tracks, this canine has earned a celestial pardon.

Hillsboro, OR - March 11, 2009 Meteorites For Sale -- As meteorite hunters from
around the world descended upon the small rural town of West, Texas to compete
for rights to search land after the February 15th fireball over Austin , it
seems a local pooch also got in on the action.

Hopper, a stray boarder collie, had recently settled in West at the home of
Pauline Alligood and Mitch Bynum, much to their chagrin. No one knew where she
came from or why she settled there but what they did know was that Hopper was
headed for trouble. From chasing cars to stealing property and messing up the
neighbor's yards, Hopper had worn out her welcome. ?I made plans to get the dog
gone on Thursday noon.? Bynum said, ?Luckily they fell through. The next day the
call came
?

The call was from meteorite hunter Ruben Garcia who was seeking permission to
hunt the land behind the Alligood/Bynum home when his hunting companion, Sonny
Clary saw a two ounce meteorite sitting on the porch. With a little work they
reached Alligood by phone at the car dealership where she works. ?Did you know
you have a meteorite on your porch?? said Garcia. ?You mean the rock that Hopper
found? replied Alligood.

?Ruben found the meteorite on the porch and the rest is history? Pauline
Alligood

In the end the stone was purchased by Portland, Oregon collector Rob Wesel who
runs a website named after a dog reportedly struck by a meteorite in 1911. ?To
own a meteorite recovered by a dog
well it doesn't get much better than that."
said Wesel. "This is without a doubt the most famous stone of the West, Texas
meteorite fall and Hopper has a place in the history books.? Wesel, who searched
several days alongside Hopper in the field added ?Hopper has become a mascot for
this fall. She's the first dog in history to ever recover a meteorite!?

Inquiries have been made from around the U.S. into purchasing Hopper but for now
she is not for sale according to Alligood. As for her commission for the find,
Hopper received a steak dinner
and a new lease on life.


From fjwallace at snet.net  Wed Mar 11 20:35:31 2009
From: fjwallace at snet.net (Frederick J. Wallace)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:35:31 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Seeking inexpensive samples to give to students
	during programs for IYA 2009
Message-ID: <92D444948A824836933008B3B406C2DD@DDT5D7C1>

Hi,
I'm a teacher in CT and I'm doing a bunch of talks this year at museums and
schools for IYA 2009 and I hoped I could find someone who might have some
quantities of small samples for students and teachers at a reasonable price.
Samples can be tektites or meteorites. I am hoping to get at least 100 but
would like to keep the price at $100 or less since I'm buying these myself
and am vounteering to give the talks (i.e.: not being paid!). Any help would
be appreciated. Thanks!
Jon Wallace
fjwallace at snet.net



From m_graul at yahoo.de  Wed Mar 11 20:53:21 2009
From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:53:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] contact to Bob Holmes
Message-ID: <565893.3029.qm@web26301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


Bob Holmes,

please contact me off list.

Many thanks Mirko
    

Mirko Graul Meteorite 
Quittenring.4 
16321 Bernau 
GERMANY 

Phone: 0049-1724105015 
E-Mail: m_graul at yahoo.de 
WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de 

Member of The Meteoritical Society 
(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) 

IMCA-Member: 2113 
(International Meteorite Collectors Association)


      

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Mar 11 21:43:49 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:43:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey Spacecraft Reboots Successfully
Message-ID: <200903120143.SAA25230@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-046  

Odyssey Spacecraft Reboots Successfully
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
March 11, 2009

Mars Odyssey Mission Status Report

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter properly followed
commands today to shut down and restart, a strategy by its engineers to
clear any memory flaws accumulated in more than five years since
Odyssey's last reboot.

The procedure also restored Odyssey's onboard set of backup systems,
called the spacecraft's "B side," allowing its use in the future when
necessary.

"For nearly two years, we have not known for certain whether the backup
systems would be usable, so this successful reboot has allowed us to
ascertain their health and availability for future use," said Odyssey
Project Manager Philip Varghese of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory,
Pasadena, Calif.

Odyssey has been orbiting Mars since 2001 and has never switched from
its primary set of components, the "A side," to the backup set, which
includes an identical computer processor, navigation sensors, relay
radio and other components. In March 2006, the B-side spare of a
component for managing the distribution of power became inoperable.
Analysis by engineers identified a possibility that rebooting Odyssey
might restore that component, which proved to be a side benefit of
today's procedure to refresh onboard memory.

The Odyssey team began a series of steps after the reboot to carefully
return the spacecraft to full functioning over the next few days.
Following that path, the science instruments will be back to studying
Mars by next week.

An unexpected rise in temperature of the star camera in Odyssey's
navigation system on March 9 had prompted a postponement of the
rebooting originally scheduled for the next day. Engineers identified
the cause as a heater circuit that was temporarily stuck "on." The
circuit was turned off before today's reboot.

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena,
manages Mars Odyssey for the NASA Science Mission Directorate,
Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime
contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. Additional
information about Odyssey is at http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/odyssey .

Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

2009-046

From radio_ranch at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 21:48:27 2009
From: radio_ranch at yahoo.com (Pat Brown)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:48:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Desert Speaks visits Tucson show and Haag on
	at 7PM&10PM Pacific in 15 min
Message-ID: <869986.18230.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi All, 

On an HD chanel called HDT High Definition Theatre at 7PM Pacific Daylight Savings time (and repeats at 10PM) tonight is an episode of a good show called _The Desert Speaks_, that includes a visit to the Tucson Fossil and Meteorite show, digging for fish fossils and a visit to Bob Haag. The date shows 2006 in the tvguide.com site. Might be worth while.

Pat in Eastern Washington State 

From lintonius at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 11 22:12:40 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:12:40 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be
References: <mailman.45.1236787286.44550.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <2CA1C4F2B2FE4292B401574E79990A89@D190TH71>

What a great story, Eric!
I hope to see this beauty at Meteor Crater in June,
as a day trip from the Grand Canyon Star Party.
Welcome back to the Ring/Basket Meteorite!
Linton Rohr


> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:16:12 -0700
> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be
> Returned
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <49B7C7AC.7050409 at meteoritewatch.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> I found article this in my email box this morning...
> 
> "..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee 
> rummage sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of 
> metal he figured might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.
> 
> He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 
> 50,000 years ago.
> 
> "For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from 
> blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired 
> foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.
> 
> Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and 
> realized that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that 
> the thing never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV 
> show, he held a magnet up to the object and it stuck.
> 
> He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and 
> then to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. 
> Yes, they said, it's a meteorite.."
> 
> READ THE FULL ARTICLE
> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html
> 
> 
> Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.
> 
> Does anyone on-list remember this piece?
> 
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> 


From mlblood at cox.net  Wed Mar 11 22:17:13 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:17:13 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] PSA
In-Reply-To: <2CA1C4F2B2FE4292B401574E79990A89@D190TH71>
Message-ID: <C5DDBEB9.1731%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi all,
    The handsome visages of MarcFries, MichaelBross & Todd
Carter can now be seen at my Meteorite Friends Page at:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

For some reason, the link to the in-depth page is temporarily broken,
But I am confident that will be "up" as soon as Paul has the time.
        Those of you NOT yet on the friends page, please send me a JPG
Off list.
        Thanks, Michael


 



From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 23:24:07 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:24:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
In-Reply-To: <20090311134724.TZUS8.13126.imail@fed1rmwml37>
Message-ID: <285201.87896.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


The Astronomical Case of the Carancas Carcasses or The Mystical Matador of Titicaca Scores a Bull's Eye  by Elton "Sir Art. C. Doyle" Jones

Well Gosh ,Carl, The short answer is: Huh???? Where did that come from?  I am not calling anyone a liar-- Troll? yes  Idiot? yes but no one on this issue am I calling a liar. 

The long answer is--You don't want really want to go there but, if you insist...

Crystal bulls  er  balls.. have nothing to do with anything I mentioned. I simply re-reported additional details of what was circulated from various sources and pass no judgment as to the validity of any "fact". Logic does not make these "facts" mutually exclusive. What I recounted stands on it's own merit as a part of a larger event with as many points of view as there were readers and direct observers.

Can I assume that no one in your crew witnessed any animal killing?  They saw dead animals and/or animal parts that were reported by witnesses to have been killed by the event (but didn't occur to them to take any photos) To split more hairs, where are the necropsy reports establishing causes or times of death? What is the complete list of carcasses? Someone did take complete perspective photos did they not?  No? No one processed the scene forensically?  So no dead animal photos reported.  As none have been mentioned nor published they probably do not exist elsewhere either. 

We have to rely on collective written reports and memories and make a judgment as to what the most likely set of accounts represent reality. Nothing I have seen excludes multiple animal deaths before during and after impact.  

I knew of the ewe and llama reports but this is the first I've caught on that there was a bull angle.  Frankly, the whole issue is in the noise level for me but this does remind me to look for that box of "meteorite encrusted" dead-horse floggers that I sell from time to time. 

Be it remembered we had a troll on the list providing misinformation, a world-wide attack on our hobby, political intrigue and police corruption we only thought was in Hollywood. We had alot of clueless opinions by professionals--remember the condridic pallasite identification by the geologist in charge? ...media grandstanding, mass illness hysteria(?), UFO buffs, Chicken littles sky is falling rants--- We were lamenting the loss of important scientific data and were putting together a bake sale to raise Michael Framer's bail!

NO ONE had the big picture not to mention a whole picture. I still see a lot of false information and did see at the time--enough to know to not  accept at face value the reports coming from Carancas. To suggest that I am calling anyone a liar is a distant stretch of the truth.    Having a part of the picture is just that-- a part.  In this jigsaw picture puzzle, there are apparently both extra pieces as well as missing pieces in the unpublished picture--according to my tea leaves anyway..lol.

I would have loved to have been able to be there with you and your crew.

Elton


--- On Wed, 3/11/09, cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:

> From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
> To: "Mr EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>, "meteoritelist" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:47 PM
> Elton,
> I'm not questioning your memories of a year and a half
> ago but, If it is so easy to assume the man in the video is
> a liar then why do you believe anybody from down there? Not
> everyone in Peru is a liar. Do you have some sort of
> crystal ball? This man had nothing to gain, He was worried
> about the health of people and the Animals that my Crew saw
> were killed by the blast according to the land owner.
> I'm glad you know which ones to believe and not believe
> but, I will tell you this; My crew was all highly educated
> people that spoke the native language as well as Spanish.
> They wrote this all down and included names and dates.
> 
> As  a character reference to my crew just ask Bob Haag what
> kind of people they are? 
> 
> Carl Esparza
> 
> IMCA 5829
> 
> Meteoritemax 

> ---- Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
I recall from reports at the time that some already dead and buried "Carcancas Carcasses" were excavated/exposed by/near the crater.  
> Something else was mentioned during the fog of thought and fear
> immediately engulfing the event:a claim was made that animals
> had been killed by the impact in the event a
> re-reimbursement claim could be made should this turn out to be an
> errant military munition or other big pocket liability claim.
> Subsequently the animal deaths were confirmed to have been
> several days before.AFAIR
> > > 
> > > So I guess the new moniker for this class could
> be "grave digger".
> > > 
> > > Elton


From schoner at mybluelight.com  Wed Mar 11 23:45:20 2009
From: schoner at mybluelight.com (Steve Schoner)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:45:20 GMT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be
Message-ID: <20090311.214520.9455.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

Yes, 

I remember seeing that meteorite back in Nov. of 1961 when I was 10 years old.   The road out to the small visitor center I think as I remember was dirt and not paved.

The basket meteorite was on a low pedestal and I recall trying to heft it by the its handle.   Too heavy for me to lift.

It was a very impressive piece, never forgot it.

Amazing that it finally turned up.

Now, lets hope that the 444.5 gram full slice of the Glorieta meteorite, (one of only six) that I found that was stolen at the 2001 Tucson Gem and Mineral Show-- Shows up someday.   Hopefully not 40 years later.

Steve.


Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:16:12 -0700
From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be
	Returned
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Message-ID: <49B7C7AC.7050409 at meteoritewatch.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I found article this in my email box this morning...

"..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee 
rummage sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of 
metal he figured might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.

He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 
50,000 years ago.

"For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from 
blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired 
foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.

Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and 
realized that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that 
the thing never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV 
show, he held a magnet up to the object and it stuck.

He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and 
then to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. 
Yes, they said, it's a meteorite.."

READ THE FULL ARTICLE
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html


Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.

Does anyone on-list remember this piece?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA

 

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From cdtucson at cox.net  Thu Mar 12 01:13:25 2009
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:13:25 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
In-Reply-To: <285201.87896.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090312011325.1T9CW.97540.imail@fed1rmwml40>

Elton, 
I am not trying to cross swords with you . I am simply stating that we were the most informed people there at the time. We were picking up meteorites while the list was trying to decide whether the event was caused by a  meteorite  or a bomb? 
In the English transaction on the video A bull  is a male animal not necessarily a cow. 
This was my very first experience with a fall and with meteorite collection in general. I confess I had no idea that the death of animals would become such am important part of this or there would be photos. 
You speak of forensics and necropsy like this all occurred in America. Please keep things in perspective here. 
Again no hard feeling I just want people to know that we gathered the information that we thought was impoertant.That's all. This was a learning experience for all of us. Bob told us the dust was worthless. I am glad that turned out wrong. It saddens me that the proper science was not done because even the scientists to this day still disagree with each other on this one. I am still waiting on the cosmochemistry report to be published. 
Thank you.
Carl

---- Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> 
> The Astronomical Case of the Carancas Carcasses or The Mystical Matador of Titicaca Scores a Bull's Eye  by Elton "Sir Art. C. Doyle" Jones
> 
> Well Gosh ,Carl, The short answer is: Huh???? Where did that come from?  I am not calling anyone a liar-- Troll? yes  Idiot? yes but no one on this issue am I calling a liar. 
> 
> The long answer is--You don't want really want to go there but, if you insist...
> 
> Crystal bulls  er  balls.. have nothing to do with anything I mentioned. I simply re-reported additional details of what was circulated from various sources and pass no judgment as to the validity of any "fact". Logic does not make these "facts" mutually exclusive. What I recounted stands on it's own merit as a part of a larger event with as many points of view as there were readers and direct observers.
> 
> Can I assume that no one in your crew witnessed any animal killing?  They saw dead animals and/or animal parts that were reported by witnesses to have been killed by the event (but didn't occur to them to take any photos) To split more hairs, where are the necropsy reports establishing causes or times of death? What is the complete list of carcasses? Someone did take complete perspective photos did they not?  No? No one processed the scene forensically?  So no dead animal photos reported.  As none have been mentioned nor published they probably do not exist elsewhere either. 
> 
> We have to rely on collective written reports and memories and make a judgment as to what the most likely set of accounts represent reality. Nothing I have seen excludes multiple animal deaths before during and after impact.  
> 
> I knew of the ewe and llama reports but this is the first I've caught on that there was a bull angle.  Frankly, the whole issue is in the noise level for me but this does remind me to look for that box of "meteorite encrusted" dead-horse floggers that I sell from time to time. 
> 
> Be it remembered we had a troll on the list providing misinformation, a world-wide attack on our hobby, political intrigue and police corruption we only thought was in Hollywood. We had alot of clueless opinions by professionals--remember the condridic pallasite identification by the geologist in charge? ...media grandstanding, mass illness hysteria(?), UFO buffs, Chicken littles sky is falling rants--- We were lamenting the loss of important scientific data and were putting together a bake sale to raise Michael Framer's bail!
> 
> NO ONE had the big picture not to mention a whole picture. I still see a lot of false information and did see at the time--enough to know to not  accept at face value the reports coming from Carancas. To suggest that I am calling anyone a liar is a distant stretch of the truth.    Having a part of the picture is just that-- a part.  In this jigsaw picture puzzle, there are apparently both extra pieces as well as missing pieces in the unpublished picture--according to my tea leaves anyway..lol.
> 
> I would have loved to have been able to be there with you and your crew.
> 
> Elton
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
> > To: "Mr EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>, "meteoritelist" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:47 PM
> > Elton,
> > I'm not questioning your memories of a year and a half
> > ago but, If it is so easy to assume the man in the video is
> > a liar then why do you believe anybody from down there? Not
> > everyone in Peru is a liar. Do you have some sort of
> > crystal ball? This man had nothing to gain, He was worried
> > about the health of people and the Animals that my Crew saw
> > were killed by the blast according to the land owner.
> > I'm glad you know which ones to believe and not believe
> > but, I will tell you this; My crew was all highly educated
> > people that spoke the native language as well as Spanish.
> > They wrote this all down and included names and dates.
> > 
> > As  a character reference to my crew just ask Bob Haag what
> > kind of people they are? 
> > 
> > Carl Esparza
> > 
> > IMCA 5829
> > 
> > Meteoritemax 
> 
> > ---- Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> I recall from reports at the time that some already dead and buried "Carcancas Carcasses" were excavated/exposed by/near the crater.  
> > Something else was mentioned during the fog of thought and fear
> > immediately engulfing the event:a claim was made that animals
> > had been killed by the impact in the event a
> > re-reimbursement claim could be made should this turn out to be an
> > errant military munition or other big pocket liability claim.
> > Subsequently the animal deaths were confirmed to have been
> > several days before.AFAIR
> > > > 
> > > > So I guess the new moniker for this class could
> > be "grave digger".
> > > > 
> > > > Elton
>

From paul at meteorite.com  Thu Mar 12 01:40:22 2009
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:40:22 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] PSA
In-Reply-To: <C5DDBEB9.1731%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <C5DDBEB9.1731%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <49B8A046.5050205@meteorite.com>

Dear Michael and List,

The link from your page to the "in-depth page" is not working (Forbidden 
Error) but both of the links below work fine when typed into the browser 
for me. 

http://www.meteorite.com/friends/
http://www.meteorite.com/friends/index.php/cat/9

Both links from Meteorite-Times on the following pages are also working 
fine.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite_frame.htm
http://www.meteorite-times.com/directory/index.php/cat/55/meteorite-people/michael-blood%27s-meteorite-friends/

If someone could please add a link to Michael's "in-depth page" 
http://www.meteorite.com/friends/index.php/cat/9 on their page and let 
me know the results I would really appreciate it. Please contact me off 
list.

Thank you very much!

Paul


Michael Blood wrote:
> Hi all,
>     The handsome visages of MarcFries, MichaelBross & Todd
> Carter can now be seen at my Meteorite Friends Page at:
>
> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html
>
> For some reason, the link to the in-depth page is temporarily broken,
> But I am confident that will be "up" as soon as Paul has the time.
>         Those of you NOT yet on the friends page, please send me a JPG
> Off list.
>         Thanks, Michael
>
>
>  
>
>
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From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Mar 12 03:59:54 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:59:54 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] PSA
In-Reply-To: <C5DDBEB9.1731%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <2CA1C4F2B2FE4292B401574E79990A89@D190TH71>
	<C5DDBEB9.1731%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <84ghr45fhrjf0n2mkljb6tcp9jm1omk6jm@4ax.com>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:17:13 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>    The handsome visages of MarcFries, MichaelBross & Todd
>Carter can now be seen at my Meteorite Friends Page at:
>
>http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

Am I the only one that suspects that Michael maintains an unpublicised
"Meteorite Enemies" page-- shared with only an elect few-- that list the
meteorite collectors he is less fond of?

Or maybe a page of true enemies of meteorites-- I think I found it!

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/meteorite_enemies/

From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Thu Mar 12 05:47:45 2009
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (Meteorite-Recon.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:47:45 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] PSA
Message-ID: <28612835.323851236851265375.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver>

simply hilarious. It seems to me that "uncle Lawrencite" is missing though.

Svend

www.meteorite-recon.com

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:17:13 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>    The handsome visages of MarcFries, MichaelBross & Todd
>Carter can now be seen at my Meteorite Friends Page at:
>
>http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

Am I the only one that suspects that Michael maintains an unpublicised
"Meteorite Enemies" page-- shared with only an elect few-- that list the
meteorite collectors he is less fond of?

Or maybe a page of true enemies of meteorites-- I think I found it!

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/meteorite_enemies/
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From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 09:49:23 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:49:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Doppler radar signature from bolides
In-Reply-To: <b7811d68107943dbb411a57d6d26cdbc@ucv1.vhostdns.com>
Message-ID: <99732.66573.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com>



For various reasons including meteorite speed and cross section, plus radar scan patterns/rates, back scatter noise filtering software,etc. I don't believe the meteorite/meteoroid-proper is detected via doppler echos.  Rather the train/cloud of silicate and iron oxide "fog" expanding to reach thermo-equilibrum in the cold atmosphere that mimics precipitation signatures.

Elton


--- On Wed, 3/11/09, McCartney Taylor <mccartney at blackbearddata.com> wrote:

> From: McCartney Taylor <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Doppler radar signature from bolides
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 2:26 PM
> Note that the stoney has a Specific gravity of 3.0 vs
> water's 1.0.  Indeed, it should have an excellent
> reflection from radar.
> 
> -mt
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> > From: "E.P. Grondine"
> <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:58 PM
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Doppler radar signature from
> bolides
> > 
> > Hi - 
> > 
> > I wonder why such a small amount of material produced
> such a large doppler
> > signature. Anyone have any guesses?
> > 
> > E.P. Grondine
> > Man and Impact in the Americas
> > 
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From mark.ford at ssl.gb.com  Thu Mar 12 10:05:36 2009
From: mark.ford at ssl.gb.com (Mark Ford)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:05:36 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
In-Reply-To: <007801c9a2ad$04eb4820$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
References: <C5DC31CE.15E2%mlblood@cox.net><67E6217D5B184754825063E6FA5A2E21@LENOVO3D331F3B><006c01c9a29f$cac04db0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2><727F0E5FBEEC408AB5CD7B63248EF1E4@meteorroom>
	<007801c9a2ad$04eb4820$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C4956BF1C@gamma.ssl.atw>

Ha! very good Martin, sounds just like something the European Commission would actually implement!


Or ... we could just say, 'if the rock in question hit something other than the ground, then it's a hammer!?'

Best,

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: imca-bounces at imcamail.de [mailto:imca-bounces at imcamail.de] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann
Sent: 12 March 2009 00:54
To: imca at imcamail.de
Subject: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation

Oki.

Give me 20 minutes. But don't take it to seriously....

1) A hammer is a single stone who hits and remarkably damages a man made
object.

Alpha) A damage is a change of the object which must be at least 2 inches in
diameter and 1 inch deep, 

else it is 
beta) a scratch.

In any case the damage or the scratch has to be recognizable with unaided
eye.


I) A man made object has to be at least 2 feet tall, else 

2) the stone is a hitter.

Is a man made object filled with more then 50% of its volume by liquids and
if it owns the property of auto-motion - then I) is overruled
and the man made object is  

Ib) a human or an other animal

and the 1) and 2) is called 

3) strucker 

if Ib) looses not more than 20% of its liquids and the property of
auto-motion is not suspended for more than 110 years.

Else 3) turns into 

4) killer.

If 4) happens but Ib) shows neither alpha) nor beta)

It is a 

5) blaster


1), 2), 3) & 4) applies only on the very object which hits the very objects
I) & Ib)

All other similar objects which fall from above in spatial and temporal
adjacency,

shall be identified furthermore by the suffix 

 -ette.


If 1) - 5) is subdivided into smaller entities,

A) it has to be done under the surveillance of a lawyer and a member of the
board of directors of the IMCA or the latter substituted by at least 3 full
members, with the following conditions:
- they shall not stem from the country of the fall
- they shall not be related or related by marriage with the finder, the
cutter, the owner nor the surveying lawyer.
- they had and have to abstain from any commercial meteorite trades.

B) the subdivided portions of the 19 -5) have to be numbered according a
partition scheme (still to be defined by IMCA) and registered by IMCA.

* any further partitition follows A) and B)


Any 1) - 5) and alpha) and beta) has to be certified by
and any hammerette, hitterette, struckerette, killerette and blasterette has
to be certified by 
two regular lawyers of the county of the occurrence 
and has additionally to be testified by either 
the special hammer agent of IMCA 
or at least 3 regular members of IMCA with the same conditions like in A)
and it has to be done within 5 days after the fall.


>From each hammer, hitter, strucker, killer and blaster
20% or 20g, whatever the larger amount is, has to be given for free to the
treasurer of IMCA as deposit for references and commercial purposes.

20% or 20g of the strucked objects or humans or animals has to be given for
free to the treasurer of IMCA as deposit and for references and commercial
purposes.

>From each hammerette, hitterette, struckerette, killerette and blasterette
10% or 10g, whatever the larger amount is, has to be given for free to the
treasurer of IMCA as deposit and for references and commercial purposes.

If all these conditions and requirements are fulfilled,
the board of directors will convene to vote for the official status of the
stones.

Else no stone shall be named "a hammer".


... 

Something like this?
Martin


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Dave Gheesling [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. M?rz 2009 00:54
An: 'Martin Altmann'; imca at imcamail.de
Betreff: RE: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation

Martin, David & All,
Whether we, individually speaking, attach some value to the term or not, is
it in widespread enough use and potentially ambiguous/misunderstood to merit
some reasonable attempt at standardization by IMCA?
Best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com  

-----Original Message-----
From: imca-bounces at imcamail.de [mailto:imca-bounces at imcamail.de] On Behalf
Of Martin Altmann
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:19 PM
To: imca at imcamail.de
Subject: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation

Well David,

you're right, but maybe I should explain better, why I have my difficulties
to attach that importance to the topic, which others do.

When I made my first website about meteorites long ago, I took on the front
page a quote by Franz v.Kobell, which I had found in an old popular book,
which I once had bought as a boy on a fleamarket -

"For how long many a meteor stone may have flown his circular flight as a
small descendent of a planet, through the midst of the immense masses of the
great regents of the skies, what revolution may have torn him away into the
wide, strange stellar space and have separated him from his mother Ceres or
Pallas or whatever her name, how many things may have befallen him during
his voyages through those dizzy heights, which man can hardly comprise in
their extent, except for those moments of sublime feeling, which at the same
time make him bough to HIM who hath created and disposed as HE pleaseth?!
Such are the thoughts that rise in us, as we look at the black, mysterious
stone, which now lies cold and motionless in our cabinets and which,
methinks, in bright nights, when he sees the distant stars twinkling
outside, may yearn back to the times of his freedom with its audacious
flights, that he relished in."

- because even if he wrote that more than 160 years ago, it met best my
fascination I felt for meteorites and it describes still today at best my
motivation for carry on in that often so friggin hard job as a meteorite
dealer.

I know, today we are much more spoiled by the sheer number and by the easy
availability of even the rarest types than in the 80ies or in the 90ies,
(although the amounts coming from deserts aside the equilibrated OCs are
much more clear and manageable most are thinking).

But for me there are a hundred aspects more fascinating on a very stone,
than whether it hit a roof or whether one of its fellows killed a lizard or
knocked off a bull.
Are meteorites meanwhile so boring for the collectors (to collectors, not
meteoritic laypeople), that they need such a gimmick to be desirable for
them? Why they don't collect coconuts instead? This one hit a tourist from
Michigan, 46 years old, a dentist - that one a dog, named Fluffy - and that
made a dent in the roof of a car....  

When I get such a stone in my hands
http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2004/December/mbale.jpg

honestly, than I'm thinking in that moment to anything else but to this
http://www.planetarium.montreal.qc.ca/Information/Expo_Meteorites/Images/fic
hes/small/image_mbale4.jpg

http://www.planetarium.montreal.qc.ca/Information/Expo_Meteorites/Images/sma
ll/image_144.jpg

Hadn't Allende so many more to tell to us about our origins, than that a few
stones lied on a roof?

If we cut a stone and for the first time after 4.5billion years it opens us
its strange splendour, telling us the lore from these exotic worlds out
there, we never will get hold of.... shall we say then: Kool, what a
sensation: it has a dry blade of grass or a speck of wall paint sticking on
a corner....

So I have my problems to take that hammer-thing seriously. 

Whether a fence is more a man-made object, than a curb stone; if I fall dead
from my chair with a meteorite in my hand, cause I worked to much, whether
than this specimens qualifies in the same way as hammer or killer as if it
had fallen on my nob and if it was a Gao, what that would mean to the rest
of the 9999 stones, whether they are than a hammer&killer, a fellow hammer
and secondary killer..

That are funny stories, a nice extra, small curios - more it isn't to me.


Yah of course these are excellent anecdotes to tell to laypeople, but that
hammer-hysteria is raging among meteorite collectors now and not laypeople.

And of course - on TV each film - or each article in a newspaper about
meteorites can be sorted in 2 categories.

First, uuuh sweet poor dino, rolling his eyes - kaboom your dead. Big Apple,
kawooosh, Tour Eiffel, zoshhhh, Big Ben baaang, Golden Gate Bridge
Tsunamissimiiii, ugly Barringer hole....  
message: meteorites - we all must die.
In such films/articles it's even not necessary to show a real meteorite.

Second. The Gold Rush. Meteorite Hunt. $$$$$$$$$$$

So of course it's interesting for laypeople to hear what meteorites all have
smashed.
But we are meteorite collectors. Don't we collect meteorites for other
reasons?

As told, no offense intended - this is also only my very personal access to
meteorites - and I don't disregard these, who collect perhaps only hammers,

But - again personally - I see no such urgent need for an "official"
terminology, categorizing, ranking of "hammers"
or better to say - I see no harm, if something like that wouldn't exist.


...if I had a hammer, lalalalala la laa
Martin
 

________________________________________
Von: imca-bounces at imcamail.de [mailto:imca-bounces at imcamail.de] Im Auftrag
von Spacerocks UK
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. M?rz 2009 07:51
An: imca at imcamail.de
Betreff: Re: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation

Members!
As a comparative new-comer to the IMCA, but as the UK's largest dealer
(sadly in several ways!) may I make a couple of points?
* Whether Michael invented the term 'hammer' or not, he is definitely the
person one thinks of first in relation to its use in this context * Although
I personally don't use the term on my website, I think it adds to the
excitement and drama of a description: I always mention the 'pan of soup'
story when showing a customer a piece of Juangcheng, although I'm sure my
bits were just found on the ground! (Which I'm quick to affirm to
clients!)
* Although I concede that, strictly speaking, we should? differentiate
between meteorites that actually hit something and fragments that merely
land on the ground, this is, IMHO, slightly nit-picking. Apollo Astronaut
Alan Bean sells his old paint brushes for big money, although he didn't take
them to the Moon with him: their enhanced value comes from their direct link
with the Apollo 12 Moon mission.
* Like Michael (and many others here, I'm sure) I sell meteorites to pay the
bills and augment my income as a free-lance lecturer (I retired from
full-time teaching three years ago) Now, meteorites don't sell themselves
over here, so I sometimes have to emphasise their dramatic features: age /
possible?role in panspermia / cataclysmic impacts such as KT etc etc. The
bottom line is we sell meteorites to a wide range of clients and, as long as
we're not guilty of misrepresentation, highlighting their more exotic
features is just good salesmanship! 
* Lastly: it's a shame if we allow semantics to cause rifts in what is,
after all, an organisation we can all be proud to be part of....
Respectfully,
David Bryant
IMCA 1898

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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 10:40:53 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:40:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor Crater
	Enterprises
In-Reply-To: <mailman.38.1236819203.16370.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <823936.31028.qm@web58402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Mr. Andes,

In a recent newspaper article linked below, you were quoted as 
saying :

"Andes said Lynch is doing the honest thing and the decent thing, which is no guarantee in the world of meteorite collectors. "That says a lot about his character," Andes said"

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html

Mr. Andes, as an honest meteorite collector and enthusiast, I am
VERY INSULTED by your juvenile trash talk.  Unlike the rest of you
rich corporate sharks who have driven this country into the
economic toliet, I uphold a highest standard of trading practices
with my fellow collectors and dealers.  Your attempt to paint an
entire hobby and group of people as dishonest thieves succeeded in
only one thing - it demonstrated to the world your ignorance of
basic facts and your prejudice against people you don't know.  

Was it meteorite collectors who took a feature of nature and god,
put a fence around it and said it's private property?  No.  Was
it meteorite collectors who stole the land the crater sits on
from native indian tribes who actually own it?  No.  It is the
height of human arrogance to claim ownership over a crater in
the remote desert that has existed for tens of thousands of years.
And it is the height of human ignorance to go out and make a
stupid statement like the one I quoted above.  Because some
wealthy businessman "bought" a piece of the Earth and then passed it
down to his heirs, who in turn hired you to help administrate it,
does not make you better than the people you denounce.  

Do you think visitors who stoop down to pick up a piece of nature's
iron and stick it in their pocket (after they paid you already to
be there) are thieves?  Who is the thief?  How did your white
ancestors acquire the land they live on?  They raped, murdered, and
lied their way into ownership - and then codified it into "law".
That makes you and your ancestors dishonest thieves.  So make sure
you aren't living in a glass house before you start throwing
chondrites.

So before you open your uneducated mouth, next time do your homework
and learn the facts.

And if all of this sounds harsh, just remember - you Mr. Andes
fired the first shot by insulting a large number of honest people
and calling them thieves.  Someone needed to call you out on it.

Next time you want to talk trash about ME or any of the other
honest collectors and dealers I work with, then call me on the
phone and arrange a meeting - I will be more than happy to
school you in person.

No best regards to you,

MikeG

PS - I'm sure I don't speak for the more sophisticated members
of the meteorite community who are cringing as they read this.  You
see, I am intelligent enough not to make assumptions about large
numbers of people I don't know.  

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................


PSS - does anyone have an email address for Mr. Andes so I can
personally send him my best regards?



      

From GeoZay at aol.com  Thu Mar 12 10:47:45 2009
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:47:45 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor Crater
	Enterprises
Message-ID: <d65.33f602cc.36ea7a91@aol.com>

Me thinks you got an axe to grind about a lot of  things. :O)
GeoZay  

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From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 11:16:52 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:16:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor
	CraterEnterprises
In-Reply-To: <D1EE91C2F9814A858E900E966AE47D6E@D5KDJZ51>
Message-ID: <596812.53647.qm@web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi listees and Mr. Andes -

I have to agree with Mark here.  Mr. Andes words caught me bright
and early in the morning before my coffee kicked in, and I was
feeling pissy.  I really should put a lock on my keyboard early in
the morning. 

I apologize to the list and to Mr. Andes for my harsh choice of
words.  I stand by the underlying message and sentiment of my
letter, but I regret my choice of harsh words.  In hindsight, I
could have expressed my displeasure in a more tasteful way.

Regards,

MikeG




.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................



--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mark Langenfeld <mlangen at execpc.com> wrote:

> From: Mark Langenfeld <mlangen at execpc.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises
> To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com
> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:57 AM
> Michael:
> 
> I can tell you feel strongly about this, and I fully
> understand why.  But, 
> your overwrought diatribe does collectors no more favors
> than did Mr. Andes 
> poorly chosen words.  In fact, I think it stands to make
> things even worse.
> 
> I am very sorry you chose to send it.
> 
> Not necessarily "more sophisticated,"  but
> cringing nonetheless ...
> 
> Mark Langenfeld
> 
> 


      

From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Thu Mar 12 12:06:55 2009
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:06:55 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
	Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <mailman.164.1236866745.73267.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.164.1236866745.73267.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <49B9331F.8010105@meteoritewatch.com>

What?! A meteorite or space debris?

"..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a 
Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying 
much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass..."

http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/

The photos of the supposed "meteorite" look like debris of some sort. 
Not like any meteorite I've ever seen.

Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering 
$10K for the "meteorite"?

Hmm....

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
www.meteoritesusa.com


From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Mar 12 12:22:31 2009
From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:22:31 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
 Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <49B9331F.8010105@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <C5DE84D7.6611%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>

Eh...   This happened 26 Feb, but didn?t become a news item until the $10k
offer.  Danger, Will Robinson...

And that debris looks like part of the car dashboard or something to me.
Man-made, anyways.


On 3/12/09 9:06 AM, "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:

> What?! A meteorite or space debris?
> 
> "..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a
> Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying
> much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass..."
> 
> http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-
> car-in/
> 
> The photos of the supposed "meteorite" look like debris of some sort.
> Not like any meteorite I've ever seen.
> 
> Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering
> $10K for the "meteorite"?
> 
> Hmm....
> 
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
> 
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> 


From darryl at dof3.com  Thu Mar 12 12:32:00 2009
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:32:00 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
	Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <49B9331F.8010105@meteoritewatch.com>
References: <mailman.164.1236866745.73267.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<49B9331F.8010105@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <93ABFCCB-4E2C-4E82-BCB4-EE3E1C0E5EC1@dof3.com>



I offered $10K for the first kilo of "Westchester"

It is extremely doubtful the object that hit the car is a meteorite.

Best/ d,



On Mar 12, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Eric Wichman wrote:

> What?! A meteorite or space debris?
>
> "..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a  
> Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month,  
> destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass..."
>
> http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/
>
> The photos of the supposed "meteorite" look like debris of some  
> sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen.
>
> Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering  
> $10K for the "meteorite"?
>
> Hmm....
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


From mlangen at execpc.com  Thu Mar 12 12:52:28 2009
From: mlangen at execpc.com (Mark Langenfeld)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:52:28 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor
	CraterEnterprises
References: <596812.53647.qm@web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EE391BE5405B4FB9B01E28B5F4CEFB42@D5KDJZ51>

I was suffering from a coffee shortage, too, and just now noticed that 
Michael's email went to the list and not directly to Mr. Andes, as well. 
Guess I'm just as glad of that.

Mark

---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Gilmer" <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>
To: "Mark Langenfeld" <mlangen at execpc.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor 
CraterEnterprises


>
> Hi listees and Mr. Andes -
>
> I have to agree with Mark here.  Mr. Andes words caught me bright
> and early in the morning before my coffee kicked in, and I was
> feeling pissy.  I really should put a lock on my keyboard early in
> the morning.
>
> I apologize to the list and to Mr. Andes for my harsh choice of
> words.  I stand by the underlying message and sentiment of my
> letter, but I regret my choice of harsh words.  In hindsight, I
> could have expressed my displeasure in a more tasteful way.
>
> Regards,
>
> MikeG
>
>
>
>
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> ..........................................................
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mark Langenfeld <mlangen at execpc.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Mark Langenfeld <mlangen at execpc.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor 
>> CraterEnterprises
>> To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com
>> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:57 AM
>> Michael:
>>
>> I can tell you feel strongly about this, and I fully
>> understand why.  But,
>> your overwrought diatribe does collectors no more favors
>> than did Mr. Andes
>> poorly chosen words.  In fact, I think it stands to make
>> things even worse.
>>
>> I am very sorry you chose to send it.
>>
>> Not necessarily "more sophisticated,"  but
>> cringing nonetheless ...
>>
>> Mark Langenfeld
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> 


From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 12:55:37 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:55:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] RE : My Meteor Crater rant this morning on the list
In-Reply-To: <mailman.38.1236819203.16370.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <758517.98232.qm@web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi List,

After fielding several private emails regarding my diabtribe this
morning, I want to emphasize that I regret the way I expressed 
myself.  This is not the first time I have put my considerable
foot in my gaping mouth, and I hope it will be the last.  After
this experience, I pledge to control my pissiness.

1) I will step away from the keyboard
2) Take a deep breath
3) Rethink my words carefully before hitting "Send"

Before anyone judges me too harshly (as I did Mr. Andes), please
understand my heart was in the right place, even if my mind was
being a jerk.  I think meteorite collectors get a bad rap in the
scientific community and I only hope that my pissy rant did not
further damage the image of meteorite collectors.  If that is
the case, I sincerely apologize to everyone on the behalf of
collectors and I take 100% full blame and responsibility for my
harsh words.  

Best regards,

MikeG (meteorite-collecting jerk)

.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................




      

From jan at qkai.com  Thu Mar 12 13:06:46 2009
From: jan at qkai.com (Jan bartels)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:06:46 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] RE : My Meteor Crater rant this morning on the
	list
In-Reply-To: <758517.98232.qm@web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <758517.98232.qm@web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B87E30694E5B43CD9E142693C749CC28@laptop>

Now that's what I call.....(space) Balls !!

This shows we're only human with plenty mistakes.
But it's harder to find a human committing he made one.

Respect bro !!

Jan.
www.heavenlybodies.nl
IMCA 8933
Holland

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Gilmer" <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] RE : My Meteor Crater rant this morning on the 
list


>
> Hi List,
>
> After fielding several private emails regarding my diabtribe this
> morning, I want to emphasize that I regret the way I expressed
> myself.  This is not the first time I have put my considerable
> foot in my gaping mouth, and I hope it will be the last.  After
> this experience, I pledge to control my pissiness.
>
> 1) I will step away from the keyboard
> 2) Take a deep breath
> 3) Rethink my words carefully before hitting "Send"
>
> Before anyone judges me too harshly (as I did Mr. Andes), please
> understand my heart was in the right place, even if my mind was
> being a jerk.  I think meteorite collectors get a bad rap in the
> scientific community and I only hope that my pissy rant did not
> further damage the image of meteorite collectors.  If that is
> the case, I sincerely apologize to everyone on the behalf of
> collectors and I take 100% full blame and responsibility for my
> harsh words.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG (meteorite-collecting jerk)
>
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> ..........................................................
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


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From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Thu Mar 12 13:13:32 2009
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:13:32 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Weird Connections?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.164.1236866745.73267.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.164.1236866745.73267.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <49B942BC.3010501@meteoritewatch.com>


Over the last few months we've all witnessed, read about, and/or seen 
videos, articles, and new reports about all the meteorite news happening 
all over the world. I'd like to concentrate on the USA for a second 
though. Has anyone noticed the coincidences in the falls, fireballs, 
names and locations of the most recent meteor and meteorite activity in 
the United States?

For Example:
West, Texas - FALL - L6 Chondrite (Witnessed Fall; newest recovered fall 
in the world) First piece found near Cottonwood Rd
West, Texas meteorite - Many pieces were found in Cotton fields... ;)
Westchester, NY - Fireball Sighting - There is a Cottonwood Rd very 
close to the radar image of this event. (within a few miles)
Cottonwood, CA - Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood, CA
Meteor Crater - Within 100 miles of Cottonwood, AZ

If you do a search on Google for Cottonwood meteorite you'll of course 
find the Cottonwood H5 meteorite. 
http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/test/cottonwood.jpg

And recently, a fireball report was filed on my site stating and I quote 
"..I heard the loadest bang on my roof and immediately a small branch 
from a cottonwood tree high overhead landed on my windshield..." (Of 
course this is not a meteorite, but a falling branch. Nonetheless the 
coincidences are uncanny... ;) A cottonwood tree? I mean come on, what 
are the chances? lol

I say everyone in the USA who's interested in witnessing meteor 
fireballs and finding meteorites should grab their camera equipment and 
meteorite stick and stakeout any road, highway, tree, city, town, 
village, church or any other public or private building or landmark with 
the name Cottonwood.

According to the data, the chances are good that you might just witness 
a new meteorite fall!

Silly? You decide...

lol ;)

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
www.meteoritesusa.com


From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Thu Mar 12 13:23:31 2009
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:23:31 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
 Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <93ABFCCB-4E2C-4E82-BCB4-EE3E1C0E5EC1@dof3.com>
References: <mailman.164.1236866745.73267.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<49B9331F.8010105@meteoritewatch.com>
	<93ABFCCB-4E2C-4E82-BCB4-EE3E1C0E5EC1@dof3.com>
Message-ID: <49B94513.2090705@meteoritewatch.com>

Yeah I doubt the object is a meteorite either. But it does pose the 
question. What the heck is it?!

My guess is space debris from a satellite or possible some industrial 
accident, or possibly even from passing a plane. The object in the 
photos does appear to have been heated some way though. I'm leaning 
toward space debris.

It obviously crashed through the windshield and the dashboard. I don't 
know about the heat thing reported in the article though. That seems a 
bit off if you ask me.

Eric



Darryl Pitt wrote:
>
>
> I offered $10K for the first kilo of "Westchester"
>
> It is extremely doubtful the object that hit the car is a meteorite.
>
> Best/ d,
>
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Eric Wichman wrote:
>
>> What?! A meteorite or space debris?
>>
>> "..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a 
>> Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying 
>> much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass..."
>>
>> http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/ 
>>
>>
>> The photos of the supposed "meteorite" look like debris of some sort. 
>> Not like any meteorite I've ever seen.
>>
>> Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering 
>> $10K for the "meteorite"?
>>
>> Hmm....
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
>> www.meteoritesusa.com
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>

-- 
Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
http://www.meteoritesusa.com
904-236-5394


From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Thu Mar 12 13:35:10 2009
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:35:10 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
	Cottonwood
References: <mailman.164.1236866745.73267.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com><49B9331F.8010105@meteoritewatch.com><93ABFCCB-4E2C-4E82-BCB4-EE3E1C0E5EC1@dof3.com>
	<49B94513.2090705@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <77D55942FCE04B30AA8DAB54DFC7169F@bellatrix>

I can't imagine any possible way an object that size which came from space 
could have been hot enough on arrival to melt or burn anything. Also, the 
image and description suggest the impact was directed at least somewhat 
towards the rear of the car, and anything falling from space would have come 
in very near vertically. If it's not a hoax, I'd assume the object 
originated from, or near, the ground.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in 
Cottonwood


> Yeah I doubt the object is a meteorite either. But it does pose the 
> question. What the heck is it?!
>
> My guess is space debris from a satellite or possible some industrial 
> accident, or possibly even from passing a plane. The object in the photos 
> does appear to have been heated some way though. I'm leaning toward space 
> debris.
>
> It obviously crashed through the windshield and the dashboard. I don't 
> know about the heat thing reported in the article though. That seems a bit 
> off if you ask me.
>
> Eric
/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 


From michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 13:38:32 2009
From: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com (Michael Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:38:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor
	CraterEnterprises
In-Reply-To: <EE391BE5405B4FB9B01E28B5F4CEFB42@D5KDJZ51>
Message-ID: <984169.17463.qm@web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi Mark and list,

You and I both are glad for that.  I only wish my diatribe could
be permanently erased from the record.  But, thanks to Google Cache,
it will live on forever, unfortunately.  Even if Art could go in
and delete the message, it will still be cached by Google.

So, for the record (and for Google) - my words were my words, and
not those of the collector community at large.  If anyone wants
to draw conclusions based on what I said, then please draw those
conclusions against me and not the collector community as a whole.

There are lots of classy people in the meteorite world with more
self-control than I - those people should not have to suffer
the consequences due to the rash words of a meteorite pariah.

And I also apologize for CC'ing Mark's private reply to me, to the
list.  That was an accident and a violation of netiquette.

Best regards,

MikeG


.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..........................................................



--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mark Langenfeld <mlangen at execpc.com> wrote:

> From: Mark Langenfeld <mlangen at execpc.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor CraterEnterprises
> To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:52 AM
> I was suffering from a coffee shortage, too, and just now
> noticed that 
> Michael's email went to the list and not directly to
> Mr. Andes, as well. 
> Guess I'm just as glad of that.
> 
> Mark
> 
> ---- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Gilmer"
> <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>
> To: "Mark Langenfeld" <mlangen at execpc.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of
> Meteor 
> CraterEnterprises
> 
> 
> >
> > Hi listees and Mr. Andes -
> >
> > I have to agree with Mark here.  Mr. Andes words
> caught me bright
> > and early in the morning before my coffee kicked in,
> and I was
> > feeling pissy.  I really should put a lock on my
> keyboard early in
> > the morning.
> >
> > I apologize to the list and to Mr. Andes for my harsh
> choice of
> > words.  I stand by the underlying message and
> sentiment of my
> > letter, but I regret my choice of harsh words.  In
> hindsight, I
> > could have expressed my displeasure in a more tasteful
> way.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > MikeG
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> .........................................................
> > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> > Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
> http://www.glassthrower.com
> >
> ..........................................................
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mark Langenfeld
> <mlangen at execpc.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Mark Langenfeld <mlangen at execpc.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad
> Andes of Meteor 
> >> CraterEnterprises
> >> To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com
> >> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:57 AM
> >> Michael:
> >>
> >> I can tell you feel strongly about this, and I
> fully
> >> understand why.  But,
> >> your overwrought diatribe does collectors no more
> favors
> >> than did Mr. Andes
> >> poorly chosen words.  In fact, I think it stands
> to make
> >> things even worse.
> >>
> >> I am very sorry you chose to send it.
> >>
> >> Not necessarily "more sophisticated," 
> but
> >> cringing nonetheless ...
> >>
> >> Mark Langenfeld
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >


      

From mlangen at execpc.com  Thu Mar 12 14:20:06 2009
From: mlangen at execpc.com (Mark Langenfeld)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:20:06 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor
	CraterEnterprises
References: <984169.17463.qm@web58404.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F5499713802045EFABEE12CE6F19FB62@D5KDJZ51>

No sweat, Michael.  Someone (wiser than me) once said: the measure of a man 
is not how many mistakes he makes, but how many he repeats.

Time to put this behind you (and us).

Mark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Gilmer" <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>
To: "Mark Langenfeld" <mlangen at execpc.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor 
CraterEnterprises


>
> Hi Mark and list,
>
> You and I both are glad for that.  I only wish my diatribe could
> be permanently erased from the record.  But, thanks to Google Cache,
> it will live on forever, unfortunately.  Even if Art could go in
> and delete the message, it will still be cached by Google.
>
> So, for the record (and for Google) - my words were my words, and
> not those of the collector community at large.  If anyone wants
> to draw conclusions based on what I said, then please draw those
> conclusions against me and not the collector community as a whole.
>
> There are lots of classy people in the meteorite world with more
> self-control than I - those people should not have to suffer
> the consequences due to the rash words of a meteorite pariah.
>
> And I also apologize for CC'ing Mark's private reply to me, to the
> list.  That was an accident and a violation of netiquette.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
>
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
> ..........................................................
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mark Langenfeld <mlangen at execpc.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Mark Langenfeld <mlangen at execpc.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of Meteor 
>> CraterEnterprises
>> To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com
>> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:52 AM
>> I was suffering from a coffee shortage, too, and just now
>> noticed that
>> Michael's email went to the list and not directly to
>> Mr. Andes, as well.
>> Guess I'm just as glad of that.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> ---- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Michael Gilmer"
>> <michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Mark Langenfeld" <mlangen at execpc.com>
>> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad Andes of
>> Meteor
>> CraterEnterprises
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Hi listees and Mr. Andes -
>> >
>> > I have to agree with Mark here.  Mr. Andes words
>> caught me bright
>> > and early in the morning before my coffee kicked in,
>> and I was
>> > feeling pissy.  I really should put a lock on my
>> keyboard early in
>> > the morning.
>> >
>> > I apologize to the list and to Mr. Andes for my harsh
>> choice of
>> > words.  I stand by the underlying message and
>> sentiment of my
>> > letter, but I regret my choice of harsh words.  In
>> hindsight, I
>> > could have expressed my displeasure in a more tasteful
>> way.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > MikeG
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> .........................................................
>> > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>> > Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>> > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>> > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
>> http://www.glassthrower.com
>> >
>> ..........................................................
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Mark Langenfeld
>> <mlangen at execpc.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Mark Langenfeld <mlangen at execpc.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Open Letter to Brad
>> Andes of Meteor
>> >> CraterEnterprises
>> >> To: michael_w_gilmer at yahoo.com
>> >> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:57 AM
>> >> Michael:
>> >>
>> >> I can tell you feel strongly about this, and I
>> fully
>> >> understand why.  But,
>> >> your overwrought diatribe does collectors no more
>> favors
>> >> than did Mr. Andes
>> >> poorly chosen words.  In fact, I think it stands
>> to make
>> >> things even worse.
>> >>
>> >> I am very sorry you chose to send it.
>> >>
>> >> Not necessarily "more sophisticated,"
>> but
>> >> cringing nonetheless ...
>> >>
>> >> Mark Langenfeld
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
>
> 


From Thetoprok at aol.com  Thu Mar 12 14:20:26 2009
From: Thetoprok at aol.com (Thetoprok at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:20:26 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Weird Connections?
Message-ID: <d4a.4cc81c1e.36eaac6a@aol.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncronicity

-Larry


In a  message dated 3/12/2009 1:14:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
eric at meteoritewatch.com writes:

Over the last few months we've all  witnessed, read about, and/or seen 
videos, articles, and new reports about  all the meteorite news happening 
all over the world. I'd like to concentrate  on the USA for a second 
though. Has anyone noticed the coincidences in the  falls, fireballs, 
names and locations of the most recent meteor and  meteorite activity in 
the United States?

For Example:
West, Texas  - FALL - L6 Chondrite (Witnessed Fall; newest recovered fall 
in the world)  First piece found near Cottonwood Rd
West, Texas meteorite - Many pieces were  found in Cotton fields... ;)
Westchester, NY - Fireball Sighting - There is a  Cottonwood Rd very 
close to the radar image of this event. (within a few  miles)
Cottonwood, CA - Unidentified object from sky destroys car in  Cottonwood, CA
Meteor Crater - Within 100 miles of Cottonwood, AZ

If  you do a search on Google for Cottonwood meteorite you'll of course 
find the  Cottonwood H5 meteorite.  
http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/test/cottonwood.jpg

And  recently, a fireball report was filed on my site stating and I quote 
"..I  heard the loadest bang on my roof and immediately a small branch 
from a  cottonwood tree high overhead landed on my windshield..." (Of 
course this is  not a meteorite, but a falling branch. Nonetheless the 
coincidences are  uncanny... ;) A cottonwood tree? I mean come on, what 
are the chances?  lol

I say everyone in the USA who's interested in witnessing meteor  
fireballs and finding meteorites should grab their camera equipment and  
meteorite stick and stakeout any road, highway, tree, city, town,  
village, church or any other public or private building or landmark with  
the name Cottonwood.

According to the data, the chances are good that  you might just witness 
a new meteorite fall!

Silly? You  decide...

lol ;)

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites  USA
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From mary.kashuba at verizon.net  Thu Mar 12 14:33:28 2009
From: mary.kashuba at verizon.net (Kashuba)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:33:28 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car
	in	Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <49B9331F.8010105@meteoritewatch.com>
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	<49B9331F.8010105@meteoritewatch.com>
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Eric, List,

I emailed this article to my brother who lives up there.  He responded
"Cottonwood is in the flightline for the local airport."

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Wichman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:07 AM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
Cottonwood

What?! A meteorite or space debris?

"..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a 
Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying 
much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass..."

http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroy
s-car-in/

The photos of the supposed "meteorite" look like debris of some sort. 
Not like any meteorite I've ever seen.

Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering 
$10K for the "meteorite"?

Hmm....

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
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From cdtucson at cox.net  Thu Mar 12 15:05:08 2009
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:05:08 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car
	in	Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <005801c9a341$09f9b010$1ded1030$@kashuba@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20090312150508.B5CKU.381894.imail@fed1rmwml46>

I have a question.
If this is simply something that fell off of an airplane then why is it so unrecognizable?
I would think parts that fall off planes would be easy to recognize. Plus the size of this piece pictured is about the size of a nickel. A nickel weighs more like 5 grams not .07 grams. It seems to me this must be from space? No? And if it is from space , why isn't it smooth? 
Carl Esparza
IMCa 5829

---- Kashuba <mary.kashuba at verizon.net> wrote: 
> Eric, List,
> 
> I emailed this article to my brother who lives up there.  He responded
> "Cottonwood is in the flightline for the local airport."
> 
> - John
> 
> John Kashuba
> Ontario, California
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Eric
> Wichman
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:07 AM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
> Cottonwood
> 
> What?! A meteorite or space debris?
> 
> "..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a 
> Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying 
> much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass..."
> 
> http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroy
> s-car-in/
> 
> The photos of the supposed "meteorite" look like debris of some sort. 
> Not like any meteorite I've ever seen.
> 
> Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering 
> $10K for the "meteorite"?
> 
> Hmm....
> 
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
> 
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From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Mar 12 15:06:26 2009
From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:06:26 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
 Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <C5DEA6BA.6631%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <C5DEAB42.6636%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>


Whatever hit it looks (to me) like it fragmented completely when it hit the
windshield.  The dashboard doesn?t have one deep gouge in it like a solid
object would inflict; it has a shotgun-spray of spallation damage.  Whatever
hit the thing wound up as tiny pieces scattered around inside the car.  Ice
falling from an airplane, perhaps?  I still think the ?debris? they show is
part of the dashboard.

Oh, and the windshield wasn?t ?melted? like that genius journo declared.
Windshields have two panes of safety glass glued together with a plastic
sheet in between. That keeps glass fragments from flying around because they
stick to the plastic, just like the photo shows.   The ?melted glass? is
that plastic sheet stretched all out of shape by getting walloped.  All the
journo had to do was touch the thing to figure that out.

Now I?m really going to quit getting wrapped up in this stuff and get back
to work..

Cheers,
MDF

On 3/12/09 11:33 AM, "Kashuba" <mary.kashuba at verizon.net> wrote:

> Eric, List,
> 
> I emailed this article to my brother who lives up there.  He responded
> "Cottonwood is in the flightline for the local airport."
> 
> - John
> 
> John Kashuba
> Ontario, California
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Eric
> Wichman
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:07 AM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
> Cottonwood
> 
> What?! A meteorite or space debris?
> 
> "..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a
> Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying
> much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass..."
> 
> http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroy
> s-car-in/
> 
> The photos of the supposed "meteorite" look like debris of some sort.
> Not like any meteorite I've ever seen.
> 
> Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering
> $10K for the "meteorite"?
> 
> Hmm....
> 
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
> 
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From radio_ranch at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 15:19:44 2009
From: radio_ranch at yahoo.com (Pat Brown)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:19:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
	Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <49B9331F.8010105@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <582153.22388.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi Eric and the List,

Interesting photos. I highly doubt that the "windshield melted", it looks much more like the plastic film between the layers of glass (that make it safety glass as used in windshields) just stretched from the impacting object. 

The photo of the 'debris' inside the car shure does not look like a meteorite or a re-entered piece of space junk. It also does not look like a blade from a big wood chipper like the last few 'meteorites' hitting cars and houses.

Pat Brown 
Hardware Reliability Engineer (and ex-materials engineer)


--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:

> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:06 AM
> What?! A meteorite or space debris?
> 
> "..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the
> windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility
> vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard
> and melting some of the glass..."
> 
> http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/
> 
> The photos of the supposed "meteorite" look like
> debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever
> seen.
> 
> Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector
> offering $10K for the "meteorite"?
> 
> Hmm....
> 
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
> 
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From mary.kashuba at verizon.net  Thu Mar 12 15:24:11 2009
From: mary.kashuba at verizon.net (Kashuba)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:24:11 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys
	car	in	Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <20090312150508.B5CKU.381894.imail@fed1rmwml46>
References: <005801c9a341$09f9b010$1ded1030$@kashuba@verizon.net>
	<20090312150508.B5CKU.381894.imail@fed1rmwml46>
Message-ID: <005e01c9a348$1fb88910$5f299b30$@kashuba@verizon.net>

Carl, List,

I'm not advocating ANY source of this object but:

1 - It might look EXACTLY like an airplane part to someone who knows air
planes.  (It might look like a satellite part to someone . . .)
2 - It might have gotten pretty messed up in, on or around whatever device
it came from before said device shed it.  It DOES look like it was really
moving when it hit.  

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
cdtucson at cox.net
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:05 PM
To: Kashuba; meteoritelist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
Cottonwood

I have a question.
If this is simply something that fell off of an airplane then why is it so
unrecognizable?
I would think parts that fall off planes would be easy to recognize. Plus
the size of this piece pictured is about the size of a nickel. A nickel
weighs more like 5 grams not .07 grams. It seems to me this must be from
space? No? And if it is from space , why isn't it smooth? 
Carl Esparza
IMCa 5829

---- Kashuba <mary.kashuba at verizon.net> wrote: 
> Eric, List,
> 
> I emailed this article to my brother who lives up there.  He responded
> "Cottonwood is in the flightline for the local airport."
> 
> - John
> 
> John Kashuba
> Ontario, California
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Eric
> Wichman
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:07 AM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
> Cottonwood
> 
> What?! A meteorite or space debris?
> 
> "..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a 
> Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying 
> much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass..."
> 
>
http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroy

> s-car-in/
> 
> The photos of the supposed "meteorite" look like debris of some sort. 
> Not like any meteorite I've ever seen.
> 
> Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering 
> $10K for the "meteorite"?
> 
> Hmm....
> 
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
> 
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From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Thu Mar 12 16:15:19 2009
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:15:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
 Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <582153.22388.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <582153.22388.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49B96D57.4070900@meteoritewatch.com>

The plastic film might be melted but I can't tell by the photos. If it 
is then that would mean that the piece of debris was obviously hot while 
in flight. Since we are reasonably sure that a meteorite of this size 
capable of producing a hole the size of the one seen in the photo 
couldn't have been hot enough to melt the protective coating 
(particularly at the speeds needed to produce the hole) on the 
windshield then I would venture to say it might have been a piece of 
fiery -and heavy- debris from some Earthy and very terrestrial 
explosion. A burning piece of machinery or metal can fly very far 
(perhaps a mile or more) from the location of an explosion. Perhaps this 
is the answer. But this hangs on the supposition that the window coating 
is in fact melted, which you can't tell by the photos.

These excerpts from the article say most of it:

"...'There was a loud explosion and bright light,' Orsot said. Rustled 
from his sleep, Orsot looked outside but didn't see anything unusual, so 
he went back to bed.

Shasta County sheriff's deputies responded "...to a cluster of 911 calls 
in the neighborhood - all reporting a startling sound..."

"...'It was a big kaboom,' said Leroy Bolls, the couple's next-door 
neighbor. 'Like a sonic boom, but real close.'..."

He and his wife, Suzie, said the sound was strong enough to shake their 
house, and they thought a propane tank might have exploded..."

The piece pictured in the article is very small, maybe an inch or two 
and very light.

 "..The piece Birondo still has at his office weighs 0.07 of a gram.." 
This is not the main impactor.

"...Birondo said he sent one to the state Department of Justice crime 
laboratory. He hasn't heard back from scientists there on what the 
material might be..."

We'll just have to wait and see what the lab says, if they say anything 
at all..

Eric




Pat Brown wrote:
> Hi Eric and the List,
>
> Interesting photos. I highly doubt that the "windshield melted", it looks much more like the plastic film between the layers of glass (that make it safety glass as used in windshields) just stretched from the impacting object. 
>
> The photo of the 'debris' inside the car shure does not look like a meteorite or a re-entered piece of space junk. It also does not look like a blade from a big wood chipper like the last few 'meteorites' hitting cars and houses.
>
> Pat Brown 
> Hardware Reliability Engineer (and ex-materials engineer)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:06 AM
>> What?! A meteorite or space debris?
>>
>> "..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the
>> windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility
>> vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard
>> and melting some of the glass..."
>>
>> http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/
>>
>> The photos of the supposed "meteorite" look like
>> debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever
>> seen.
>>
>> Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector
>> offering $10K for the "meteorite"?
>>
>> Hmm....
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
>> www.meteoritesusa.com
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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>>     
>
>   

-- 
Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
http://www.meteoritesusa.com
904-236-5394


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 12 16:32:18 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:32:18 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
	Cottonwood
References: <mailman.164.1236866745.73267.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<49B9331F.8010105@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <D35D2381129E4B45B558E13F8928D0F3@ATARIENGINE>

Hi, List,

    Look at the photo. At full size on my monitor,
it is scaled about 10x life size. Clearly visible on the
fragment are the Roman characters "EJ" and possibly
"I," about 0.5 - 0.6 mm high and what appears to be
a smaller line of type as well, both far too small to
be anything but a portion of a possible part number
or other identifying mark.

    The entire fragment is no more than one inch in
the longest dimension, heavily battered and folded.
The odds favor the wood chipper or the jet engine
where parts may be in high kinetic energy states of
motion. On the right side of the object in the photo
there seems to be a plane feature but we can't see it.

    The "data" in the news story can (as always) be
utterly disregarded, but it's no meteorite.


Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:06 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car 
inCottonwood


What?! A meteorite or space debris?

"..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a
Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying
much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass..."

http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/

The photos of the supposed "meteorite" look like debris of some sort.
Not like any meteorite I've ever seen.

Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering
$10K for the "meteorite"?

Hmm....

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
www.meteoritesusa.com

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From radio_ranch at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 16:45:33 2009
From: radio_ranch at yahoo.com (Pat Brown)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:45:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
	Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <49B96D57.4070900@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <170298.46149.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Hi Eric, John, and the List, 

I am not proposing that the plastic film melted. These types of plastic have a pretty high melting point, I think it mearly stretched without a whole lot of heat. The period of time that this impactor spent going through this windshield was very short (assuming free fall speeds of ~200mph, not orbital speeds), not enough time to transfer enough heat to melt glass or a very tough plastic film (polyvinyl butyral, or PVB). 

Pat 


--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:

> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
> To: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Cc: radio_ranch at yahoo.com
> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 1:15 PM
> The plastic film might be melted but I can't tell by the
> photos. If it is then that would mean that the piece of
> debris was obviously hot while in flight. Since we are
> reasonably sure that a meteorite of this size capable of
> producing a hole the size of the one seen in the photo
> couldn't have been hot enough to melt the protective
> coating (particularly at the speeds needed to produce the
> hole) on the windshield then I would venture to say it might
> have been a piece of fiery -and heavy- debris from some
> Earthy and very terrestrial explosion. A burning piece of
> machinery or metal can fly very far (perhaps a mile or more)
> from the location of an explosion. Perhaps this is the
> answer. But this hangs on the supposition that the window
> coating is in fact melted, which you can't tell by the
> photos.
> 
> These excerpts from the article say most of it:
> 
> "...'There was a loud explosion and bright
> light,' Orsot said. Rustled from his sleep, Orsot looked
> outside but didn't see anything unusual, so he went back
> to bed.
> 
> Shasta County sheriff's deputies responded "...to
> a cluster of 911 calls in the neighborhood - all reporting a
> startling sound..."
> 
> "...'It was a big kaboom,' said Leroy Bolls,
> the couple's next-door neighbor. 'Like a sonic boom,
> but real close.'..."
> 
> He and his wife, Suzie, said the sound was strong enough to
> shake their house, and they thought a propane tank might
> have exploded..."
> 
> The piece pictured in the article is very small, maybe an
> inch or two and very light.
> 
> "..The piece Birondo still has at his office weighs
> 0.07 of a gram.." This is not the main impactor.
> 
> "...Birondo said he sent one to the state Department
> of Justice crime laboratory. He hasn't heard back from
> scientists there on what the material might be..."
> 
> We'll just have to wait and see what the lab says, if
> they say anything at all..
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Pat Brown wrote:
> > Hi Eric and the List,
> > 
> > Interesting photos. I highly doubt that the
> "windshield melted", it looks much more like the
> plastic film between the layers of glass (that make it
> safety glass as used in windshields) just stretched from the
> impacting object. 
> > The photo of the 'debris' inside the car shure
> does not look like a meteorite or a re-entered piece of
> space junk. It also does not look like a blade from a big
> wood chipper like the last few 'meteorites' hitting
> cars and houses.
> > 
> > Pat Brown Hardware Reliability Engineer (and
> ex-materials engineer)
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Eric Wichman
> <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:
> > 
> >   
> >> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from
> sky destroys car in Cottonwood
> >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:06 AM
> >> What?! A meteorite or space debris?
> >> 
> >> "..A meteorite may have been what smashed
> into the
> >> windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport
> utility
> >> vehicle late last month, destroying much of the
> dashboard
> >> and melting some of the glass..."
> >> 
> >>
> http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/
> >> 
> >> The photos of the supposed "meteorite"
> look like
> >> debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite
> I've ever
> >> seen.
> >> 
> >> Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the
> collector
> >> offering $10K for the "meteorite"?
> >> 
> >> Hmm....
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> Eric Wichman
> >> Meteorites USA
> >> www.meteoritesusa.com
> >> 
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> >>
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> >>     
> > 
> >   
> 
> -- Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com
> 904-236-5394

From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Thu Mar 12 16:53:04 2009
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:53:04 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
 Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <D35D2381129E4B45B558E13F8928D0F3@ATARIENGINE>
References: <mailman.164.1236866745.73267.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<49B9331F.8010105@meteoritewatch.com>
	<D35D2381129E4B45B558E13F8928D0F3@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <49B97630.5020501@meteoritewatch.com>

It's no doubt, not a meteorite... I see the "letters", but can't make 
much out of it.

Alien writing: www.meteoritesusa.com/images/letters.jpg

Oh, and about news stories being unreliable... I would have to agree you 
can't expect to draw conclusions or know everything from news stories, 
look at the Hopper story. There's many things that weren't reported 
about that story.

Space debris, terrestrial explosion or aircraft component. The question 
is still, what the heck is it?

Eric



Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> Hi, List,
>
>     Look at the photo. At full size on my monitor,
> it is scaled about 10x life size. Clearly visible on the
> fragment are the Roman characters "EJ" and possibly
> "I," about 0.5 - 0.6 mm high and what appears to be
> a smaller line of type as well, both far too small to
> be anything but a portion of a possible part number
> or other identifying mark.
>
>     The entire fragment is no more than one inch in
> the longest dimension, heavily battered and folded.
> The odds favor the wood chipper or the jet engine
> where parts may be in high kinetic energy states of
> motion. On the right side of the object in the photo
> there seems to be a plane feature but we can't see it.
>
>     The "data" in the news story can (as always) be
> utterly disregarded, but it's no meteorite.
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:06 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car 
> inCottonwood
>
>
> What?! A meteorite or space debris?
>
> "..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a
> Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying
> much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass..."
>
> http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/
>
> The photos of the supposed "meteorite" look like debris of some sort.
> Not like any meteorite I've ever seen.
>
> Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering
> $10K for the "meteorite"?
>
> Hmm....
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 
>
>
>   

-- 
Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
http://www.meteoritesusa.com
904-236-5394


From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Thu Mar 12 16:58:39 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:58:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <4221435.337751236891519286.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html



From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 12 17:17:19 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Vesicle Size/Images
Message-ID: <190567.52383.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Dear List Members,

I have a question about vesicles.  The reason I am asking is that I came across a giant vesicle in a complete slice from the middle of a Dhofar 700 stone.  It is so large that it created a hole completely through a 3mm slice.  Apparently the vesicle was oblong so I do not know what the length was but the diameter rim-to-rim is an astonsihing 12.45mm.  My question is; What is the largest vesicle ever measured in meteorite? 

Here are some images:

http://themeteoritesite.com/Item7-Dhofar700-1.jpg
http://themeteoritesite.com/Item7-Dhofar700-2.jpg
http://themeteoritesite.com/Item7-Dhofar700-3.jpg
http://themeteoritesite.com/Item7-Dhofar700-4.jpg
http://themeteoritesite.com/Item7-Dhofar700-5.jpg

Best Regards,

Adam



From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Mar 12 18:27:14 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:27:14 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
	Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <D35D2381129E4B45B558E13F8928D0F3@ATARIENGINE>
References: <mailman.164.1236866745.73267.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<49B9331F.8010105@meteoritewatch.com>
	<D35D2381129E4B45B558E13F8928D0F3@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <1v2jr4lom0plcaa106pj73hidpoh6dufdt@4ax.com>

On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:32:18 -0500, you wrote:

>    The entire fragment is no more than one inch in
>the longest dimension, heavily battered and folded.
>The odds favor the wood chipper or the jet engine
>where parts may be in high kinetic energy states of
>motion. 

Also note the odd weight listed for the thing-- 0.07 gram.

From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 12 20:13:29 2009
From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:13:29 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin man's 50 pound rock held up grandson's
	basketball hoop,
	turns out to be stolen in 1968 from Meteoirte crater
Message-ID: <00e501c9a370$8b5f40f0$4001a8c0@BRIANSCOMPUTER>

Hi all,

You've probably heard this recent story, but a friend at The Field Museum 
sent this article yesterday and I just got to read it. I thought I'd share 
it with the group.
Happy meteorite hunting.

I thought you'd enjoy this story! 
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/03/11/Wis_mans_rock_turns_out_to_be_meteorite/UPI-92241236817067/


Brian Cox
IMCA #6387
searchingforfun on ebay
Please see my meteorite auctions up this week on ebay



From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu Mar 12 19:32:43 2009
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:32:43 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay - Achondrites, etc. - AD
Message-ID: <EAE6E3458B5D47BCA93406112CB42F38@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

I have just loaded about 50 eBay auctions to include a new eucrite (entire 
classified mass), new mesosiderite (entire classified mass), larger 
specimens of Planetary, Lodranites, Achondrites, Angrites, Irons, Mesos and 
all of the other meteorites I have to offer this week, most started at just 
99 cents! All can be found by clicking here: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

Direct links to the two entire masses I mentioned above:
NEW - NWA 5404 Eucrite 3.7g Entire Mass
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350177494530

NEW - NWA 4230 Mesosiderite 112.6g Entire Mass
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=170310759296

Other Interesting auctions:
NWA 869 ORIENTED Complete stone 12.4g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350177497320

NWA 3151 Brachinite Thin Section (Uncovered) LAST ONE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=350177515961

Too many great deals to list here, so if you are interested, Thank you for 
bidding!

Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault





From pshugar at clearwire.net  Thu Mar 12 22:01:59 2009
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:01:59 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car
	inCottonwood
References: <mailman.164.1236866745.73267.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com><49B9331F.8010105@meteoritewatch.com><D35D2381129E4B45B558E13F8928D0F3@ATARIENGINE>
	<1v2jr4lom0plcaa106pj73hidpoh6dufdt@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <07E630FCD0F643DE84148D0650A00EB1@laptop>

List,
My first impression was a fried circuit board.
I have seen more than my share of these after 40 years 
working in the electronics industry.
Pete


From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Thu Mar 12 20:31:50 2009
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:31:50 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <mailman.286.1236901206.17287.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.286.1236901206.17287.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <49B9A976.3080409@meteoritewatch.com>

Hi all,

While looking at photos of our most recent extraterrestrial visitor, the 
West meteorite, I was wondering what the "meteoroid" looked like while 
floating around in space... Look how nice and white this piece is on the 
"inside". http://www.rocksfromspace.org/133g_Interior.JPG Fusion crust 
is only formed while entering our planets atmosphere. Meaning that this 
meteorite was obviously whitish in color while still a meteoroid. Right?

Space is a vacuum, and a vacuum preserves things right? Look at the moon 
and all the wonderful craters and how wonderfully preserved they are. 
The moon never changes color except when viewed through our atmosphere. 
 From space it looks the same as it did millions of years ago.

Does this mean that the West meteoroid, while in space and "before" it 
hit our planet, was white? I mean, it's not like the minerals that make 
up the meteoroid change colors before hitting our planet. Right?

I guess the reason I ask this is that we all see photos of asteroids 
that are dark gray, gray-black or brown blobs of space rock floating 
around the solar system. I think our perception of meteorites are quite 
different. We tend to think of rocks from space as dark rocks floating 
around aimlessly and randomly bumping into one another occasionally 
sending pieces our way to be pulled in by our planets gravity.

Are there huge white rocks floating around out there? And if so, 
wouldn't they be slightly easier to spot than a dark blob of an asteroid?

I hope these aren't dumb questions.

Eric

From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Thu Mar 12 20:50:29 2009
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:50:29 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites
References: <mailman.286.1236901206.17287.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<49B9A976.3080409@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <C83F54CB448145E39CAEAAE33DFD968A@bellatrix>

Hi Eric-

Obviously, meteoroids don't have fusion crusts, but that doesn't mean they 
have light colored exteriors. In general, just about everything orbiting the 
Sun has proven to be darker than expected. Being in a vacuum doesn't mean an 
object is in an inert environment. Millions or even billion of years of 
bombardment by interplanetary dust, solar wind, and radiation does have an 
effect.

As you observed, our few closeup images of asteroids show dark surfaces, and 
meteoroids are nothing but fragments of asteroids. There's no way of saying 
for certain, but I'd put my money on the meteoroid parents of meteorites 
like West having fairly dark surfaces most of the time.

(BTW, don't forget that the surface of the Moon is as dark as fresh asphalt; 
rayed craters show that there is lighter material beneath that, at least in 
some places.)

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:31 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites


> Hi all,
>
> While looking at photos of our most recent extraterrestrial visitor, the 
> West meteorite, I was wondering what the "meteoroid" looked like while 
> floating around in space... Look how nice and white this piece is on the 
> "inside". http://www.rocksfromspace.org/133g_Interior.JPG Fusion crust is 
> only formed while entering our planets atmosphere. Meaning that this 
> meteorite was obviously whitish in color while still a meteoroid. Right?
>
> Space is a vacuum, and a vacuum preserves things right? Look at the moon 
> and all the wonderful craters and how wonderfully preserved they are. The 
> moon never changes color except when viewed through our atmosphere. From 
> space it looks the same as it did millions of years ago.
>
> Does this mean that the West meteoroid, while in space and "before" it hit 
> our planet, was white? I mean, it's not like the minerals that make up the 
> meteoroid change colors before hitting our planet. Right?
>
> I guess the reason I ask this is that we all see photos of asteroids that 
> are dark gray, gray-black or brown blobs of space rock floating around the 
> solar system. I think our perception of meteorites are quite different. We 
> tend to think of rocks from space as dark rocks floating around aimlessly 
> and randomly bumping into one another occasionally sending pieces our way 
> to be pulled in by our planets gravity.
>
> Are there huge white rocks floating around out there? And if so, wouldn't 
> they be slightly easier to spot than a dark blob of an asteroid?
>
> I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
> Eric


From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Thu Mar 12 20:54:52 2009
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:54:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <49B9A976.3080409@meteoritewatch.com>
References: <mailman.286.1236901206.17287.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<49B9A976.3080409@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <55305.71.226.60.25.1236905692.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Eric:

Being an ordinary chondrite, West is probably similar in composition to
the S asteroids that have a reflectivity of something like 15%.

Larry

On Thu, March 12, 2009 5:31 pm, Eric Wichman wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> While looking at photos of our most recent extraterrestrial visitor, the
> West meteorite, I was wondering what the "meteoroid" looked like while
> floating around in space... Look how nice and white this piece is on the
> "inside". http://www.rocksfromspace.org/133g_Interior.JPG Fusion crust
> is only formed while entering our planets atmosphere. Meaning that this
> meteorite was obviously whitish in color while still a meteoroid. Right?
>
> Space is a vacuum, and a vacuum preserves things right? Look at the moon
> and all the wonderful craters and how wonderfully preserved they are. The
> moon never changes color except when viewed through our atmosphere. From
> space it looks the same as it did millions of years ago.
>
> Does this mean that the West meteoroid, while in space and "before" it
> hit our planet, was white? I mean, it's not like the minerals that make up
> the meteoroid change colors before hitting our planet. Right?
>
> I guess the reason I ask this is that we all see photos of asteroids
> that are dark gray, gray-black or brown blobs of space rock floating around
> the solar system. I think our perception of meteorites are quite
> different. We tend to think of rocks from space as dark rocks floating
> around aimlessly and randomly bumping into one another occasionally
> sending pieces our way to be pulled in by our planets gravity.
>
> Are there huge white rocks floating around out there? And if so,
> wouldn't they be slightly easier to spot than a dark blob of an asteroid?
>
> I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
>
> Eric
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>



From roxfromspace at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 23:23:49 2009
From: roxfromspace at gmail.com (Phil Morgan)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:23:49 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] speaking of vesicles, any ideas on this one?
Message-ID: <70baf8d20903122023l5a054d79hdbad1611a62a2f74@mail.gmail.com>

Greg's question about the huge vesicle prompted me to ask ya'll about
a stone I've been pondering.

I've received two of these small stones in separate unclassified NWA
batches from different sources.  They are a rather odd grey color and
contain vesicles.  I think I've seen some indistinct chondrules but
can't be sure.  My best guess is a melt of some sort.

Here are links to photos of two halves of the same small stone
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/vesicles2/mystery4.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/vesicles2/mystery5.jpg

And here is a poor photo of the exterior:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/vesicles2/mystery2.jpg

Anyone one else noticed this material?  Any one know anything about
it?  Any speculation or observations?

Thanks and Regards,
Phil

From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 02:31:05 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:31:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in
	Cottonwood
In-Reply-To: <D35D2381129E4B45B558E13F8928D0F3@ATARIENGINE>
Message-ID: <127062.24342.qm@web55202.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


I was called out once in a similar case to Landcaster, Pa.  Loud explosion, penetrated window and dashboard etc.  Had to get very contorted to search the dash with all my inspection mirrors and forcepts.  Found a fragment in the bottom of the plemum which was a gray matrix that soooo looked like a meteorite in situ.  Suppressed my urge to yell YAHOO and worked away calmly  Finally extracted the fragment with extra long forcepts and it was the paper/sawdust liner of an what looked like a cherry bomb/M80 fire cracker. 

The safety film of this car was also stretched outward and also located at the lower window edge and centered.  Me thinks there are so many similarities this was not an out of the sky scenario.

Elton

From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 05:54:30 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:54:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <49B9A976.3080409@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <497088.24861.qm@web55201.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


A good question, Erick.

Unless freshly broken, the opposite is more likely true--meteoroids arrive stealthly and darkly gray to black. A weathered meteoroid looses most of its reflectivity.

By using asteroid spectra and experiments on meteorites there is some good evidence that their surfaces collect "dust", probably dark glass micro spheroids, and ultraviolet exposure darkens the mafic silicates: olivine, bronzite, pyroxenes etc as opposed to the felsic silicates:feldspars which are not directly addressed)  I see that there was a formation of a bitumen-like coating (aka tar) on some surfaces in the experiment.

Undisturbed meteoroid surfaces weather via exposure to micrometeorite bombardment, solar wind, and extrasolar radiation and probably accumulation of space dust "bunnies"and possibly water and methane as strange as it seems. 

While the coldness of space we think preserves things well, millions of years of agitation and abrasion don't leave surfaces pristine.  The result is a darkening of the surface(albedo drop) and a reddening of the spectra. Silicates which are high in iron darken more so apparently. These test results also hint that the depth of color change doesn't penetrate too deeply but they were limited and are short exposures nothing like the typical 4+ billion years of steady exposure in orbit. Formation times are relatively quick calculated at 1,000,000 years or less.

I theorize that most meteoroids are layered in dark dust making them difficult to detect.  I haven't heard specifications from the asteroid/meteorite combo 2008 TC3 which landed over Egypt(?) last fall. In that there was such a short lead time I don't know if any before and after spectral comparisons made.

So bottom line both iron and stone meteorites darken with exposure to space. Carbonaceous chondrites are likely to have a tar-like coating. Those coatings are akin to a coat of paint in thickness and would be among the first thing striped away.

Elton


--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:

> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites
> Hi all,
> 
> While looking at photos of our most recent extraterrestrial
> visitor, the West meteorite, I was wondering what the
> "meteoroid" looked like while floating around in
> space... Look how nice and white this piece is on the
> "inside".
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/133g_Interior.JPG Fusion crust
> is only formed while entering our planets atmosphere.
> Meaning that this meteorite was obviously whitish in color
> while still a meteoroid. Right?
> 
> Space is a vacuum, and a vacuum preserves things right?
> Look at the moon and all the wonderful craters and how
> wonderfully preserved they are. The moon never changes color
> except when viewed through our atmosphere. From space it
> looks the same as it did millions of years ago.
> 
> Does this mean that the West meteoroid, while in space and
> "before" it hit our planet, was white? I mean,
> it's not like the minerals that make up the meteoroid
> change colors before hitting our planet. Right?
> 
> I guess the reason I ask this is that we all see photos of
> asteroids that are dark gray, gray-black or brown blobs of
> space rock floating around the solar system. I think our
> perception of meteorites are quite different. We tend to
> think of rocks from space as dark rocks floating around
> aimlessly and randomly bumping into one another occasionally
> sending pieces our way to be pulled in by our planets
> gravity.
> 
> Are there huge white rocks floating around out there? And
> if so, wouldn't they be slightly easier to spot than a
> dark blob of an asteroid?
> 
> I hope these aren't dumb questions.
> 
> Eric

From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Fri Mar 13 05:57:19 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 9:57:19 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <49B9A976.3080409@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <20090313095719.7Z3H7.88876.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>



and following on from that...what would an iron meteroid/aseroid look like in space....would there be any sign of metallic lustre or would space weathering have darkened the surface?

Graham Ensor

---- Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote: 
> Hi all,
> 
> While looking at photos of our most recent extraterrestrial visitor, the 
> West meteorite, I was wondering what the "meteoroid" looked like while 
> floating around in space... Look how nice and white this piece is on the 
> "inside". http://www.rocksfromspace.org/133g_Interior.JPG Fusion crust 
> is only formed while entering our planets atmosphere. Meaning that this 
> meteorite was obviously whitish in color while still a meteoroid. Right?
> 
> Space is a vacuum, and a vacuum preserves things right? Look at the moon 
> and all the wonderful craters and how wonderfully preserved they are. 
> The moon never changes color except when viewed through our atmosphere. 
>  From space it looks the same as it did millions of years ago.
> 
> Does this mean that the West meteoroid, while in space and "before" it 
> hit our planet, was white? I mean, it's not like the minerals that make 
> up the meteoroid change colors before hitting our planet. Right?
> 
> I guess the reason I ask this is that we all see photos of asteroids 
> that are dark gray, gray-black or brown blobs of space rock floating 
> around the solar system. I think our perception of meteorites are quite 
> different. We tend to think of rocks from space as dark rocks floating 
> around aimlessly and randomly bumping into one another occasionally 
> sending pieces our way to be pulled in by our planets gravity.
> 
> Are there huge white rocks floating around out there? And if so, 
> wouldn't they be slightly easier to spot than a dark blob of an asteroid?
> 
> I hope these aren't dumb questions.
> 
> Eric
> ______________________________________________
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Fri Mar 13 08:41:57 2009
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:41:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <20090313095719.7Z3H7.88876.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <49B9A976.3080409@meteoritewatch.com>
	<20090313095719.7Z3H7.88876.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <57106.71.226.60.25.1236948117.squirrel@timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Eric, Graham, etc:

How many hours do you have? I do whole lectures on this subject.

There are probably several experts out there listening to this whole
conversation. My experience is probably several years out of date, but
there have been a number of on-going "discussions" of what is space
weathering and why do the meteorites we see not look quite like what we
have seen in space (even when we get close up).

There is rumor that there will be results published in Nature on the
composition of the TC3 meteorite. I am sure it will hit the list soon
thereafter.

I have heard that the spectrum of TC3 is similar to an F asteroid. That
means that its spectrum is flat. However, I do not know what the spectral
range of the observations was. It is likely not to be over a very large
spectral range, so may have "missed" diagnostic features at the red and
blue ends of the visible spectrum (those things that identify minerals).

However, I do know that TC3 was a solid rock. It was tumbling, but
spinning one in less than 2 minutes. As such, no dust could stay on its
surface, not enough gravity.

M-class asteroids have flat to slightly reddish visible and near-infrared
spectra and have albedos in the 10% to 20% range. It is thought that
M-class asteroids are related to iron meteorites, but there may be some
exceptions.

Maybe it is time for an article in Meteorite magazine on this. Any
volunteers? Might be a nice summary paper for a grad student!

Larry

On Fri, March 13, 2009 2:57 am, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com wrote:
>

>
> and following on from that...what would an iron meteroid/aseroid look
> like in space....would there be any sign of metallic lustre or would
> space weathering have darkened the surface?
>
> Graham Ensor
>
>
> ---- Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> While looking at photos of our most recent extraterrestrial visitor,
>> the West meteorite, I was wondering what the "meteoroid" looked like
>> while floating around in space... Look how nice and white this piece is
>> on the "inside". http://www.rocksfromspace.org/133g_Interior.JPG Fusion
>> crust is only formed while entering our planets atmosphere. Meaning that
>> this meteorite was obviously whitish in color while still a meteoroid.
>> Right?
>>
>>
>> Space is a vacuum, and a vacuum preserves things right? Look at the
>> moon and all the wonderful craters and how wonderfully preserved they
>> are. The moon never changes color except when viewed through our
>> atmosphere. From space it looks the same as it did millions of years
>> ago.
>>
>> Does this mean that the West meteoroid, while in space and "before" it
>> hit our planet, was white? I mean, it's not like the minerals that make
>> up the meteoroid change colors before hitting our planet. Right?
>>
>> I guess the reason I ask this is that we all see photos of asteroids
>> that are dark gray, gray-black or brown blobs of space rock floating
>> around the solar system. I think our perception of meteorites are quite
>>  different. We tend to think of rocks from space as dark rocks floating
>>  around aimlessly and randomly bumping into one another occasionally
>> sending pieces our way to be pulled in by our planets gravity.
>>
>> Are there huge white rocks floating around out there? And if so,
>> wouldn't they be slightly easier to spot than a dark blob of an
>> asteroid?
>>
>> I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>
>>
>> Eric
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From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 10:44:22 2009
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:44:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Vesicle Size/Images
Message-ID: <41276.24563.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


?hello list
adam wrote,,
My question is; What is the largest vesicle ever measured in meteorite?
_______________________________________________________________

?http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/2165873519/in/set-72157603629866992/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/2166705250/in/set-72157603629866992/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/sets/72157603629866992/

the hole here is the viscile make abaout 2.5 cm ,? and there is hole of 1 cm.
this the taoudidn diogenite many colletor told it's similar to dho 700;
i know they are not paired? but they look the smae 1000's of visicles

thanks
aziz



?habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170</font> 


      

From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 13 12:33:23 2009
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:33:23 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Vesicle Size/Images
In-Reply-To: <41276.24563.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <41276.24563.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY141-W37F2D811DA2FDC2F85405DF89C0@phx.gbl>


Hi, Aziz, and List,
 
Aziz - from your photos, it appears like yours is more of a gouge in an area of possibly fragile material either during the fusion stage of its entry, or terrestrial erosion. 
 
Isn't a vesicle more of a trapped bubble within the material formed during the rock's formation?
 
 
 
Cheers, 
Pete

----------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:44:22 -0700
> From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Vesicle Size/Images
>
>
> hello list
> adam wrote,,
> My question is; What is the largest vesicle ever measured in meteorite?
> _______________________________________________________________
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/2165873519/in/set-72157603629866992/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/2166705250/in/set-72157603629866992/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/sets/72157603629866992/
>
> the hole here is the viscile make abaout 2.5 cm , and there is hole of 1 cm.
> this the taoudidn diogenite many colletor told it's similar to dho 700;
> i know they are not paired but they look the smae 1000's of visicles
>
> thanks
> aziz
>
>
>
> habibi aziz
> box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
> phone. 21235576145
> fax.21235576170
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Mar 13 12:55:58 2009
From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:55:58 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Meteorite over Denmark Jan 17 has been found
In-Reply-To: <C5DFDD9C.669B%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <C5DFDE2E.669C%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>

Howdy all

    Thought this might be of interest.  It is from a Danish friend of mine,
and it came with a little postage-stamp of a picture that doesn?t show much.
Email me off-list and I?ll pass on the picture.

    Here?s a link to a news item about the fall:

http://www.cphpost.dk/news/scitech/92-technology/44478-weekend-meteor-very-u
nusual.html

Cheers,
MDF


------ Forwarded Message
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:07:19 -0700
To: "Fries, Marc D" <marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: Meteorite over Denmark Jan 17 has been found

Hey  You,

FYI: The meteorite that fell over DK on Jan 17, and that was witnessed by
over 400 people has been found. Apparently it's a very rare one. The DK
newspaper reports that only 10 has ever been found worldwide and never with
the trajectory described by witnesses. They don't mention the type but I'm
sure it's reported on your 'hit lists'.

Here's a picture of the thingy.

Enjoy your weekend.

Claus




------ End of Forwarded Message

------ End of Forwarded Message


From marie.m.osterberg at telia.com  Fri Mar 13 12:59:55 2009
From: marie.m.osterberg at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_=D6sterberg?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:59:55 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 17 fireball
Message-ID: <1A65C29BFC314141B04C26FE0E3BC629@thomaslemjmqar>

Dear list,

According to the Danish newspaper Politiken, meteorite fragments from the 
January 17 fireball, has recently been recovered in Denmark.



The fireball was seen (and video documented) from a large portion of 
southern Sweden and Denmark. The exact location is not revealed, but the 
strewn field is said to be about 10*20 km and located near the small town 
Maribo, on the Danish island Lolland.



Also according to Politiken, a German meteorite collector, Thomas Grau, has 
found the fragments. Grau has apparently spent many hours in his search of 
this meteorite.





Thanks and regards

Thomas ?sterberg

http://politiken.dk/videnskab/article668819.ece

http://politiken.dk/videnskab/article668921.ece 


From element33 at peconic.net  Fri Mar 13 13:10:51 2009
From: element33 at peconic.net (Michael Bross)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:10:51 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Meteorite over Denmark Jan 17 has been
	found
References: <C5DFDE2E.669C%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <04fd01c9a3fe$a9b3bfc0$9f9b215a@Inspiron8200>

Hello everyone

Tip: to not break a weblink, just put it between (  )
like this:
(http://www.cphpost.dk/news/scitech/92-technology/44478-weekend-meteor-very-unusual.html)

Enjoy your weekend
Michael B


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fries, Marc D" <marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Meteorite over Denmark Jan 17 has been found


Howdy all

    Thought this might be of interest.  It is from a Danish friend of mine,
and it came with a little postage-stamp of a picture that doesn?t show much.
Email me off-list and I?ll pass on the picture.

    Here?s a link to a news item about the fall:

http://www.cphpost.dk/news/scitech/92-technology/44478-weekend-meteor-very-u
nusual.html

Cheers,
MDF


------ Forwarded Message
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:07:19 -0700
To: "Fries, Marc D" <marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: Meteorite over Denmark Jan 17 has been found

Hey  You,

FYI: The meteorite that fell over DK on Jan 17, and that was witnessed by
over 400 people has been found. Apparently it's a very rare one. The DK
newspaper reports that only 10 has ever been found worldwide and never with
the trajectory described by witnesses. They don't mention the type but I'm
sure it's reported on your 'hit lists'.

Here's a picture of the thingy.

Enjoy your weekend.

Claus




------ End of Forwarded Message

------ End of Forwarded Message

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From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 13:34:28 2009
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:34:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re :  Question About Vesicle Size/Images
References: <41276.24563.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<BAY141-W37F2D811DA2FDC2F85405DF89C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <142215.16882.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


hello pete
i think? there is was hole inside the diogenite and than when it enter the atmosphere the resistance of air burn the fragile part of the diogenite and show the visicle that was inside ,
why , most of the 24370 gr taoudinid is formed from visicles, you can see photos they are very aparents,
and an other collector told me this""
that it probably an ablation crater and not a
true vesicle! """
but i would like to know what is the difrence between the two??
thanks
aziz
?


----- Message d'origine ----
De : Pete Pete <rsvp321 at hotmail.com>
? : azizhabibi at yahoo.com; meteoritelist meteoritelist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Envoy? le : Vendredi, 13 Mars 2009, 16h33mn 23s
Objet?: RE: [meteorite-list] Question About Vesicle Size/Images


Hi, Aziz, and List,

Aziz - from your photos, it appears like yours is more of a gouge in an area of possibly fragile material either during the fusion stage of its entry, or terrestrial erosion. 

Isn't a vesicle more of a trapped bubble within the material formed during the rock's formation?



Cheers, 
Pete

----------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:44:22 -0700
> From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Vesicle Size/Images
>
>
> hello list
> adam wrote,,
> My question is; What is the largest vesicle ever measured in meteorite?
> _______________________________________________________________
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/2165873519/in/set-72157603629866992/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/2166705250/in/set-72157603629866992/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/sets/72157603629866992/
>
> the hole here is the viscile make abaout 2.5 cm , and there is hole of 1 cm.
> this the taoudidn diogenite many colletor told it's similar to dho 700;
> i know they are not paired but they look the smae 1000's of visicles
>
> thanks
> aziz
>
>
>
> habibi aziz
> box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
> phone. 21235576145
> fax.21235576170
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 14:19:09 2009
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:19:09 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 17
	fireball
In-Reply-To: <1A65C29BFC314141B04C26FE0E3BC629@thomaslemjmqar>
References: <1A65C29BFC314141B04C26FE0E3BC629@thomaslemjmqar>
Message-ID: <6f9da8300903131119n14923a9s31e46cd84090b032@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thomas & list
Wow that makes 2 strong candidates for falls this year.
Thanks for the information. I added it to my new falls page....just
below West Texas. I also included a neat link to a Google maps of the
town of Maribo on the island of Lolland, Denmark. If anyone has any
better pictures or has talked to Thomas Grau about this I would love
any additional details.
http://jensenmeteorites.com/New%20meteorites.htm

Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Thomas ?sterberg
<marie.m.osterberg at telia.com> wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> According to the Danish newspaper Politiken, meteorite fragments from the
> January 17 fireball, has recently been recovered in Denmark.
>
>
>
> The fireball was seen (and video documented) from a large portion of
> southern Sweden and Denmark. The exact location is not revealed, but the
> strewn field is said to be about 10*20 km and located near the small town
> Maribo, on the Danish island Lolland.
>
>
>
> Also according to Politiken, a German meteorite collector, Thomas Grau, has
> found the fragments. Grau has apparently spent many hours in his search of
> this meteorite.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards
>
> Thomas ?sterberg
>
> http://politiken.dk/videnskab/article668819.ece
>
> http://politiken.dk/videnskab/article668921.ece
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Fri Mar 13 14:39:30 2009
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:39:30 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hats off to Thomas Grau! Good recovery.
Message-ID: <6ffb691377944a88be4324f97524ffad@ucv1.vhostdns.com>

Well done Thomas Grau! Most of us thought that fall was a lost cause into the ocean.

Two thumbs up from Texas.

-mt



From majbaermann at web.de  Fri Mar 13 14:59:54 2009
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:59:54 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 17
	fireball
References: <1A65C29BFC314141B04C26FE0E3BC629@thomaslemjmqar>
Message-ID: <43D70971A4224548A87CAE134E269FE1@thinkcentre>

Wow, Thomas Grau did it again. Congratulations!

Matthias Baermann

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas ?sterberg" <marie.m.osterberg at telia.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 17 fireball


Dear list,

According to the Danish newspaper Politiken, meteorite fragments from the
January 17 fireball, has recently been recovered in Denmark.



The fireball was seen (and video documented) from a large portion of
southern Sweden and Denmark. The exact location is not revealed, but the
strewn field is said to be about 10*20 km and located near the small town
Maribo, on the Danish island Lolland.



Also according to Politiken, a German meteorite collector, Thomas Grau, has
found the fragments. Grau has apparently spent many hours in his search of
this meteorite.





Thanks and regards

Thomas ?sterberg

http://politiken.dk/videnskab/article668819.ece

http://politiken.dk/videnskab/article668921.ece

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From a.ehlmann at tcu.edu  Fri Mar 13 15:00:39 2009
From: a.ehlmann at tcu.edu (Art Ehlmann)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:00:39 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Monnig Catalog update
Message-ID: <a06230900c5e059131da5@[138.237.133.32]>

Hello List:
	 For those of you who have bought the Monnig Catalog, you 
might want to know which meteorites have been added since the catalog 
was published.  I would be happy to e-mail the list to any of you 
interested.  My address is:  A.Ehlmann at tcu.edu

	Also, the web of the Monnig Collection is kept up to date; it 
gives additional information than is given on the name list mentioned 
above.  (for the searchable database, Google TCU and click on Monnig 
Meteorite Gallery along the left margin)
Best Wishes,
Art Ehlmann
-- 
Dr. Arthur J. Ehlmann, Curator
Oscar E. Monnig Meteorite Collection
TCU Box 298830
Fort Worth, TX 76129
Phone: 817-257-6278
FAX: 817-257-7789


From eric at meteoritewatch.com  Fri Mar 13 15:04:01 2009
From: eric at meteoritewatch.com (Eric Wichman)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:04:01 -0700
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In-Reply-To: <mailman.28.1236960046.11195.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.28.1236960046.11195.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <49BAAE21.1070907@meteoritewatch.com>

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From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 15:09:49 2009
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:09:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 17
	fireball
In-Reply-To: <43D70971A4224548A87CAE134E269FE1@thinkcentre>
Message-ID: <862081.42719.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi,
I need more information for my freinds that may be going. I'd be packing except I don't have the international (passport/visa) paper work just yet.

Does anyone know if it is legal to export meteorites from this location?



Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


--- On Fri, 3/13/09, Matthias B?rmann <majbaermann at web.de> wrote:

> From: Matthias B?rmann <majbaermann at web.de>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 17 fireball
> To: "Thomas ?sterberg" <marie.m.osterberg at telia.com>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:59 AM
> Wow, Thomas Grau did it again. Congratulations!
> 
> Matthias Baermann
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas
> ?sterberg" <marie.m.osterberg at telia.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:59 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the
> January 17 fireball
> 
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> According to the Danish newspaper Politiken, meteorite
> fragments from the
> January 17 fireball, has recently been recovered in
> Denmark.
> 
> 
> 
> The fireball was seen (and video documented) from a large
> portion of
> southern Sweden and Denmark. The exact location is not
> revealed, but the
> strewn field is said to be about 10*20 km and located near
> the small town
> Maribo, on the Danish island Lolland.
> 
> 
> 
> Also according to Politiken, a German meteorite collector,
> Thomas Grau, has
> found the fragments. Grau has apparently spent many hours
> in his search of
> this meteorite.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks and regards
> 
> Thomas ?sterberg
> 
> http://politiken.dk/videnskab/article668819.ece
> 
> http://politiken.dk/videnskab/article668921.ece
> 
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From star-bits at tx.rr.com  Fri Mar 13 15:17:18 2009
From: star-bits at tx.rr.com (star-bits at tx.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:17:18 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Vesicle Size/Images
In-Reply-To: <190567.52383.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090313191718.02A2K.384334.root@cdptpa-web12-z01>

Adam 

   The large hole on the edge of this slice is not a vesicle.  It was a depression in the exterior of the stone that was sliced through.  Such things are not uncommon on iron slices.

   As far as the largest vesicle question, I found a hershey's kiss shaped hole in a gao melt that was 1 cm wide by 1 cm tall.  The 3 slices that split the hole reside in the ASU collection.

--
Eric Olson
610 W. Moore Rd
Tucson AZ 85755

http://www.star-bits.com


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Fri Mar 13 15:31:47 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:31:47 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: AUCTION HIGHLIGHTS-An Amazing Group This Week!
	Last Set Of Auctions For 3 Weeks Or So...
Message-ID: <24DD59AD-BBF4-4983-B1C1-3CB81643A460@gilanet.com>

Hello,

Quick Note- All Auctions started out at 0.99 cents... Thousands of  
Dollars Up For Grabs....




A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 4,256g, THIS IS A HUGE & CHOICE  
SPECIMEN!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200319321748

Low Known Weight, ALDAMA (b), 53.81 gram, A Large Specimen of a Rare  
Meteorite.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200319320232

DHOFAR 938, LL5, Complete Slice, 185.60 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318937650

SACRAMENTO WASH 002, LTKW, H4, 2.43 gram, Only One I have ...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200319114886

CANYON DIABLO Individuals, 500g Lot #8 (7) A Great Deal!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318966165

Rare Ataxite, SANTIAGO PAPASQUIERO, Mexico, Only Specimen I have!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318937148

Witnessed Fall THUATHE, Lesotho, 13.67 g, Really Nice One.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318965233

Seldom Available SOUSLOVO, Russia, L4, 1.58g, Nice part slice.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318964757

Superb CAMEL DONGA, Eucrite, 3.49 gram-LOOK at This Slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200319111222

(New) CV3, NWA 5546 From Africa, 10.70 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318943821

RARE-A SLICE Of CARANCAS, Peru, H4-5, 1.68g, Super Nice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318956065

(New) WILBUR WASH, Az., L6, Slice, 13.88 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318931130

Seldom Available TAHOKA, Texas, L5, 1.79 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200319114272

(NEW) An Amazing LL5, NWA 2380, 64.57 gram, I believe my LAST One...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200319113043

Almost Out, NWA 4755, Diogenite, 2.07g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200319112438

BRENHAM, Siderite From Kansas, 11.82 gram, Nice Part Slice...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200319110756

Rare NWA 2932, Mesosiderite, Nice! 6.69 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318967958

Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 4.71g, REALLY NICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318967083

Nice H3 From Namibia, KORRA KORRABES, 22.42 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318956609

Super Rare "House Smasher" HAMLET, Indiana, MY VERY LAST ONE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200317807143

Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 160 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200317806862

(New) Olivine Diogenite-NWA 5480, 3.38 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200317806471

(New) NWA 4952, L/LL4-5, Brecciated, 20.25g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200317806036

(NEW) NWA 4851, L6 With Shock Lines, 76 Gram-CHECK this one out!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200317807447

An Early # NWA 103, L6 From Africa, 30.21g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318932110

(New) NWA 4734, Lunar Specimen Display!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318932118

Rare Carbonaceous CO3.6, NWA 1277, 0.59 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318932769

Pallasite From Australia-HUCKITTA, 35g Lot
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318937145

RARE, SILVERTON, Texas, H4, LTKW, 0.51 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318938119

(NEW), NWA 5054, L5, 77.59 gram, Last Specimen I Have.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318938473

Really Nice BELLE PLAINE, Kansas, L6, 1.50 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318938874

(New), NWA 5537, LL3.5, LTKW 4.67g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318944536

Rare Type, H3.5, WELLMAN (f), Texas, 3.43g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200318952611







Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham





























From cdtucson at cox.net  Fri Mar 13 15:40:08 2009
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:40:08 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <49B9A976.3080409@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <20090313154008.TFMZK.123094.imail@fed1rmwml35>

Eric,
This is a very interesting question to me because ; How do we know what color these west rocks were prior to entering our Atmosphere?Maybe we don't? As seen in the video of the fall it looks to me that something came apart in mid-air. But maybe those are represented by only the broken ones found on the ground. What if the complete stones actually came in black? It is not a stretch to imagine that because we simply do not know the answer. There is no way we could know. Before you think I'm crazy consider the only bit of information we know for a fact was done by the Europeans called "stone6".
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Stone_6_Artificial_Meteorite_Shows_Martian_Impactors_Could_Carry_Traces_Of_Life_999.html
In this experiment none of the rocks turned black. Some of the rocks in fact did not change colors at all. and the ones that did, changed to a creamy white crust. 
So, who is to say these rocks are not already black while traveling through space. The evidence here actually leans in that direction. Maybe these rocks were already coated with black crust and that is what protects them from evaporation when they travel through our atmosphere. 
Again, this may sound silly but if you look at the evidence from this study and you acknowledge the fact that the things we do see in space are in fact already dark it does make you wonder. Maybe our atmosphere is not the reason they are black after all? Something else comes to mind, We have all seen pictures of meteors traveling through our atmosphere and then back out again. Wouldn't those accumulate crust and then continue on there journey? ???.
Carl Esparza
IMCA  5829
Meteoritemax

---- Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com> wrote: 
> Hi all,
> 
> While looking at photos of our most recent extraterrestrial visitor, the 
> West meteorite, I was wondering what the "meteoroid" looked like while 
> floating around in space... Look how nice and white this piece is on the 
> "inside". http://www.rocksfromspace.org/133g_Interior.JPG Fusion crust 
> is only formed while entering our planets atmosphere. Meaning that this 
> meteorite was obviously whitish in color while still a meteoroid. Right?
> 
> Space is a vacuum, and a vacuum preserves things right? Look at the moon 
> and all the wonderful craters and how wonderfully preserved they are. 
> The moon never changes color except when viewed through our atmosphere. 
>  From space it looks the same as it did millions of years ago.
> 
> Does this mean that the West meteoroid, while in space and "before" it 
> hit our planet, was white? I mean, it's not like the minerals that make 
> up the meteoroid change colors before hitting our planet. Right?
> 
> I guess the reason I ask this is that we all see photos of asteroids 
> that are dark gray, gray-black or brown blobs of space rock floating 
> around the solar system. I think our perception of meteorites are quite 
> different. We tend to think of rocks from space as dark rocks floating 
> around aimlessly and randomly bumping into one another occasionally 
> sending pieces our way to be pulled in by our planets gravity.
> 
> Are there huge white rocks floating around out there? And if so, 
> wouldn't they be slightly easier to spot than a dark blob of an asteroid?
> 
> I hope these aren't dumb questions.
> 
> Eric
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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 16:32:33 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:32:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Renewed Interest in Asteroid Defence
Message-ID: <15670.26363.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Near Miss Renews U.N. Interest in Asteroid Defence By Thalif Deen, 
Inter Press Service,  http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=46089

NEO News (03/12/09) UN Report on NEO Threat Mitigation 
http://planetarydefense.blogspot.com/2009/03/neo-news-031209-un-report-on-neo-threat.html

NEO News (03/07/09) Newsworthy NEAs: 2009DD45 & 2008TN166
http://planetarydefense.blogspot.com/2009/03/neo-news-030709-newsworthy-neas.html

Surprise Asteroid Buzzed Earth Monday, National  Geographic, March 2, 2009, 
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090302-asteroid-earth.html

EDITORIAL COMMENT | Cosmic Near-miss, Times of India,
MArch 11, 2009
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Opinion/EDITORIAL-COMMENT--Cosmic-Near-miss/articleshow/4253466.cms

Yours,

Paul H.



      

From marie.m.osterberg at telia.com  Fri Mar 13 16:34:44 2009
From: marie.m.osterberg at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_=D6sterberg?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:34:44 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 17fireball
Message-ID: <5F684CB478FA4A8B91BE85E4F6D0C985@thomaslemjmqar>

Dear Ruben,

And others planning for a trip to Denmark. Quoting the article (today) 
published in the newspaper Politiken, Henning Haack at the the Geolocial 
Museum in Cpenhagen, urges people to active search for fragments.

"Mit store h?b er, at folk p? Lolland nu g?r ud og leder efter flere. Vi har 
et omr?de p? omkring 10 gange 20 kilometer n?r Maribo, hvor der kunne ligge 
flere meteoritsten. S? jeg vil opfordre folk til at kigge efter i tagrender 
og p? gr?spl?nerne for at se efter meteoritter og indlevere dem til os?, 
siger Henning Haack."

Translated: My big hope is that people on Lolland now will go searching for 
more (meteorites). We have an area of about 10 by 20 kilometer, near Maribo, 
where there probably are more meteorites to be found. So, I urge people to 
look in their roof draing channels and their lawns for meteorites and come 
with them to us, says Henning Haak".

About Danish rules for collecting and exporting meteorites I think I've read 
somewhere that the situatuon is similar to Canada. You have to get a 
permission to be able to legally export a Danish meteorite. Can somebody 
give more approriate information about this?

Good luck!

Thomas ?sterberg




From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 19:09:33 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:09:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Vesicle Size/Images
In-Reply-To: <190567.52383.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <737103.99296.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Hi Eric and List,

I beg to differ that the hole in this slice is not a vesicle. There was no thumb-printing whatsoever on the meteorite and this slice came from near the center of the rock, not an end cut. Look at the slice as a whole you will see that it is round, not regmaglypted. The only depressions were very small exposed vesicles which some Dhofar 700 stones are famous for.  This is not an iron.  I will be posting more images next Tuesday as I go through the fantastic slices just back from wire saw cutting and preparation.  

Dhofar 700 is really a really intriguing Diogenite as science has yet to explain why vesicles are found in a cumulate type rock.

Best Regards,

Adam


From MeteorHntr at aol.com  Fri Mar 13 19:29:59 2009
From: MeteorHntr at aol.com (MeteorHntr at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:29:59 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Meteorites Second Offering AD
Message-ID: <d3d.3c230cea.36ec4677@aol.com>

Hey Guys,

Since my first offering of West  Meteorites specimens (that sold out in less 
than 24 hours) I have found a few  more.  And as such I am ready to sell a few 
more. 

If you are  interested in seeing what I have to sell, email me for a list of 
what I have to  offer, off list.

A special thanks goes out to my customers of the first  batch.  I hope you 
are enjoying your new specimens?  Your support has  helped keep me in the field 
hunting a little longer, rescuing more of these new  visitors to our wet 
planet. A new total of my finds will be forthcoming, adding  to the overall totals. 
 

The terrestrialization process has started,  and is being accelerated by the 
current rains.   

Corn is now  planted.  Milo is high. And since the grass is growing as I 
type, finding  these little guys will only get harder for the people choosing to 
challenge the  tics, poison ivy and rattlesnakes on their own turf.   I am 
afraid any  specimens in their impact pits, in the softer dirt areas, will now be 
covered in  mud soup, only to be found if someone wants to use a metal 
detector to locate  them as they are now buried and covered up.   

Most landowners  are no longer allowing hunters anymore. 

The easy to hunt areas have been  covered and recovered, probably to be 
covered again, but with diminishing  results each time. 

If finding them was hard before, it gets  exponentially harder, every day 
that passes.  Hunting is still fun, but it  seems to be more of a grind each day. 
  

What is the weather  like in Denmark this time of year anyway?  Do they have  
rattlesnakes?

Steve Arnold
Arkansas  

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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 19:35:13 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:35:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West meteorite, 1.5 kilo mass.
Message-ID: <409762.1759.qm@web110604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Like a nightmare, or Groundhog day, I have been sucked back to West, Texas again for the third time. I was home for all of a day again, and got news that a 1.5 kilogram meteorite was available to purchase. I rushed back to Texas this morning, met the seller at a gas station, and paid for a large complete meteorite, found the day of the fall. The seller wanted extreme anonymity, refused to tell where it was found other than "near Aquilla" and took the cash. He gave me little to go on other than he wanted no part of this meteorite fall or to assist me in the science by showing find location,  he just wanted paid. I gave him the cash and he sped away happy.

I smiled all the way to the Waco Tribune Herald, where I spent an hour with Ken Surry, going over the maps, and working on a new article, hopefully to be published Sunday or Monday. I am showing a basic strewn field map to be in the paper, trying to spur these people to action to look for more stones. 60% of the houses we went to in the Aquilla area are inhabited by people who do not believe in the meteorite, refuse to believe that any is on their land, and have no interest in looking for it or letting anyone else look on their land. Perhaps the photos in the paper and the prospect of large payments will make them get excited and look for pieces. Hopefully the article will focus on the fact that money fell from the sky and is wasting away. 

Photo will be up on Rocks from Space pic of the day soon.

Michael Farmer


From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 19:44:50 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:44:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] West, Meteorite hunting, here for a few more days
Message-ID: <486713.63284.qm@web110608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


As I said in the last post about the large piece, I am back in West for a few more days of hunting, while my article is written for the newspaper, which I hope will shake loose a few more stones from farmers.
I plan to hunt as best I can for the next few days, should be interesting with the flooding rains I saw here today.  I hope to find a few more stones, some to sell and cant stand the thought of further damage to them.
Anyone still here or coming to hunt in the next few days? 
Just curious who I might run into in the field.
Michael Farmer

From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Mar 13 19:50:28 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:50:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update: February 26 -
	March 4, 2009
Message-ID: <200903132350.QAA01259@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE:  Slight Progress on New Route - sol 1831-1837, 
February 26 - March 04, 2009:

After initially making good progress on a new route around "Home Plate"
to the east, Spirit has been struggling in local terrain on the
northeast corner of Home Plate. The route is difficult because the
direction is up-slope with a lot of loose, fine material denying the
five-driving-wheel rover good traction.

After getting about 15 meters (49 feet) away from Home Plate last week
in just two drives, Spirit made only 1.4 meters of progress on Sol 1831
(Feb. 26, 2009). The next two drive sols accomplished only about 2
meters each. On Sol 1837 (March 4, 2009), Spirit had difficulty turning
to face a new direction, again because of the soft terrain.

The plan is to back downslope a little, turn and attack the uphill grade
a little more cross-slope.

As of Sol 1837 (March 4, 2009), Spirit's solar array energy production
is 282 watt-hours, atmospheric opacity (tau) is 0.742, and the dust
factor on the solar array is 0.320. The rover is in good health as it
attempts to make its way around the northeast corner of Home Plate.
Spirit's total odometry is 7,602.42 meters (4.72 miles).

------------------------------------------------------------------------

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE:  New Software Working Fine - sol 1811-1817, 
February 26 - March 04, 2009:

Opportunity continues to exhibit elevated motor current in the drive
actuator of the right-front wheel. To mitigate this, the rover has been
driving backward.

This week, Opportunity built and booted new flight software, version
R9.3. After a build activity on Sol 1811 (Feb. 26, 2009), Opportunity
booted onto the R9.3 flight software on Sol 1814 (March 1, 2009). The
new software has been working fine.

Opportunity drove more than 56 meters (184 feet) the sol before the boot
and drove again for about 40 meters (131 feet) on Sol 1816 (March 3,
2009), two sols after the boot. The team is considering resting the
right-front drive actuator in coming sols as a way to further mitigate
the elevated motor current.

As of Sol 1817 (March 4, 2009), the solar array energy production is 488
watt-hours, down by 20 watt-hours from a week earlier. Atmospheric
opacity (tau) has increased a little to 0.710. The dust factor on the
solar array is 0.576, meaning that 57.6 percent of sunlight hitting the
solar array penetrates the layer of accumulated dust on the array. The
rover is in good health using its new flight software.

As of Sol 1816 (March 3, 2009), Opportunity's total odometry is
14,834.38 meters (9.22 miles).


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Mar 13 19:53:46 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:53:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - March 9, 2009
Message-ID: <200903132353.QAA02422@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
March 9, 2009

o Search for Beagle 2
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010667_1920
  
o Deimos, Moon of Mars
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/deimos.php

o Uplift in Oudemans Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_011966_1700

o Sand Dunes and Ripples in Proctor Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_011909_1320

o Recent Small Impact Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_011834_1605

o Collapse Pit in Tractus Fossae
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_011386_2065

All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Mar 13 19:55:50 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: March 9-13, 2009
Message-ID: <200903132355.QAA03428@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
March 9-13, 2009

o Candor Chasma (Released 09 March 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090309a

o Erosion (Released 10 March 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090310a

o Spring Storms (Released 11 March 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090311a

o Landslide (Released 12 March 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090312a

o Dunes and Debris (Released 13 March 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090313a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 




From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Mar 13 20:07:58 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:07:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars, Then and Now: Google Mars Update
Message-ID: <200903140007.RAA04708@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/news/google-mars-update-3-13.html

Mars, Then and Now: Google Mars Update
03.13.09
 
Editor's Note: To access the Mars mode, download Google Earth and open
it up. In the toolbar section on top, click on the small icon resembling
the planet Saturn and select Mars.

Today, NASA and Google announce an update to Mars in Google Earth
<http://earth.google.com/ >, a 3D mapping tool for the Red Planet. 
Originally released with Google Earth 5.0, Mars in Google Earth now
contains even more features that give users a sense of how our knowledge
of Mars, and our study of astronomy, has evolved over time.  After
selecting 'Mars' from the toolbar in Google Earth, users fly to a 3D
view of the Red Planet, complete with informational layers, imagery, and
terrain.  The tools for navigation and exploration on Mars are identical
to those on Earth - zoom in and out, change the camera view, or spin the
entire planet with a click of the mouse. 

There are three new features in this updated version of Mars in Google
Earth.  First, users can travel back in time to see the Red Planet
through the eyes of the pioneers of Mars science in the 'Historical
Maps' layer by exploring antique maps by astronomers Giovanni
Schiaparelli, Percival Lowell, and others .  Then, they can fast-forward
to the present day with the new 'Live from Mars' layer, featuring a
continuous stream of the latest imagery from today's Mars spacecraft.
 'Live from Mars' includes imagery from NASA's THEMIS
<http://themis.asu.edu/> camera on board the Mars Odyssey spacecraft,
and lets users fly along with Odyssey as well as the Mars Reconnaissance
Orbiter to see what they have been observing lately and where they are
headed next.  Users can discover these, and other exciting features???and
learn all about the history of Mars science and exploration???with two new
guided tours of Mars narrated by Ira Flatow of Public Radio's Science
Friday <http://www.sciencefriday.com/> and Bill Nye the Science Guy
<http://www.billnye.com/>.

Mars in Google Earth also contains several updated elements, in addition
to the many popular features that were available at the original
launch.  We've included updated imagery from NASA <http://www.nasa.gov/>
and ESA <http://www.esa.int/esaCP/index.html>, and improved the search
function to make it easier to explore well-known sites on Mars.  Just as
they could in the original version of Mars in Google Earth, users can
read geo-located articles from Hartmann's A Traveler's Guide to Mars
about the solar system's largest canyon, Valles Marineris, its tallest
volcano, Olympus Mons, the infamous 'Face on Mars', and many other
famous Martian locations.  They can also follow the paths of Mars rovers
and view hi-resolution panoramic photos of the Mars surface.

 
 

From f.barnichta at petroquim.com.do  Thu Mar 12 11:00:41 2009
From: f.barnichta at petroquim.com.do (Freddy Barnichta)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:30:41 -0430
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 34
In-Reply-To: <mailman.165.1236866745.73267.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <98C590D9D5C3464A83137925AD0DF739278759@pq01ex01.petroquim.com.do>

Hi! Last night (about 7:00 pm) a green color meteorite cross over south
of Santo Domingo City, and we suppose it land on the Caribbean sea,
because until now nobody report of his landing on the country side of
the island.

Regards
Freddy Barnichta.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Mars Odyssey Spacecraft Reboots Successfully (Ron Baalke)
   2. The Desert Speaks visits Tucson show and Haag on	at 7PM&10PM
      Pacific in 15 min (Pat Brown)
   3.  Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be (Linton Rohr)
   4. Re: PSA (Michael Blood)
   5. Re: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS (Mr EMan)
   6. Re: Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be (Steve Schoner)
   7. Re: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS (cdtucson at cox.net)
   8. Re: PSA (Paul Harris)
   9. Re: PSA (Darren Garrison)
  10. Re: PSA (Meteorite-Recon.com)
  11. Re: Doppler radar signature from bolides (Mr EMan)
  12. Re: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation (Mark Ford)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:43:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey Spacecraft Reboots Successfully
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing List)
Message-ID: <200903120143.SAA25230 at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-046  

Odyssey Spacecraft Reboots Successfully
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
March 11, 2009

Mars Odyssey Mission Status Report

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter properly followed
commands today to shut down and restart, a strategy by its engineers to
clear any memory flaws accumulated in more than five years since
Odyssey's last reboot.

The procedure also restored Odyssey's onboard set of backup systems,
called the spacecraft's "B side," allowing its use in the future when
necessary.

"For nearly two years, we have not known for certain whether the backup
systems would be usable, so this successful reboot has allowed us to
ascertain their health and availability for future use," said Odyssey
Project Manager Philip Varghese of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory,
Pasadena, Calif.

Odyssey has been orbiting Mars since 2001 and has never switched from
its primary set of components, the "A side," to the backup set, which
includes an identical computer processor, navigation sensors, relay
radio and other components. In March 2006, the B-side spare of a
component for managing the distribution of power became inoperable.
Analysis by engineers identified a possibility that rebooting Odyssey
might restore that component, which proved to be a side benefit of
today's procedure to refresh onboard memory.

The Odyssey team began a series of steps after the reboot to carefully
return the spacecraft to full functioning over the next few days.
Following that path, the science instruments will be back to studying
Mars by next week.

An unexpected rise in temperature of the star camera in Odyssey's
navigation system on March 9 had prompted a postponement of the
rebooting originally scheduled for the next day. Engineers identified
the cause as a heater circuit that was temporarily stuck "on." The
circuit was turned off before today's reboot.

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena,
manages Mars Odyssey for the NASA Science Mission Directorate,
Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime
contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. Additional
information about Odyssey is at
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/odyssey .

Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

2009-046


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:48:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown <radio_ranch at yahoo.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Desert Speaks visits Tucson show and
	Haag on	at 7PM&10PM Pacific in 15 min
To: Meteorite <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <869986.18230.qm at web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


Hi All, 

On an HD chanel called HDT High Definition Theatre at 7PM Pacific
Daylight Savings time (and repeats at 10PM) tonight is an episode of a
good show called _The Desert Speaks_, that includes a visit to the
Tucson Fossil and Meteorite show, digging for fish fossils and a visit
to Bob Haag. The date shows 2006 in the tvguide.com site. Might be worth
while.

Pat in Eastern Washington State 


------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:12:40 -0700
From: "Linton Rohr" <lintonius at earthlink.net>
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <2CA1C4F2B2FE4292B401574E79990A89 at D190TH71>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

What a great story, Eric!
I hope to see this beauty at Meteor Crater in June,
as a day trip from the Grand Canyon Star Party.
Welcome back to the Ring/Basket Meteorite!
Linton Rohr


> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:16:12 -0700
> From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be
> Returned
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <49B7C7AC.7050409 at meteoritewatch.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> I found article this in my email box this morning...
> 
> "..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee 
> rummage sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of 
> metal he figured might be copper or bronze with potential salvage
value.
> 
> He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 
> 50,000 years ago.
> 
> "For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from 
> blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired 
> foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.
> 
> Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and 
> realized that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that

> the thing never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV 
> show, he held a magnet up to the object and it stuck.
> 
> He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum
and 
> then to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited.

> Yes, they said, it's a meteorite.."
> 
> READ THE FULL ARTICLE
> http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html
> 
> 
> Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.
> 
> Does anyone on-list remember this piece?
> 
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> 



------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:17:13 -0700
From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] PSA
To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <C5DDBEB9.1731%mlblood at cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"

Hi all,
    The handsome visages of MarcFries, MichaelBross & Todd
Carter can now be seen at my Meteorite Friends Page at:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

For some reason, the link to the in-depth page is temporarily broken,
But I am confident that will be "up" as soon as Paul has the time.
        Those of you NOT yet on the friends page, please send me a JPG
Off list.
        Thanks, Michael


 




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:24:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
To: meteoritelist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>,
	cdtucson at cox.net
Message-ID: <285201.87896.qm at web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


The Astronomical Case of the Carancas Carcasses or The Mystical Matador
of Titicaca Scores a Bull's Eye  by Elton "Sir Art. C. Doyle" Jones

Well Gosh ,Carl, The short answer is: Huh???? Where did that come from?
I am not calling anyone a liar-- Troll? yes  Idiot? yes but no one on
this issue am I calling a liar. 

The long answer is--You don't want really want to go there but, if you
insist...

Crystal bulls  er  balls.. have nothing to do with anything I mentioned.
I simply re-reported additional details of what was circulated from
various sources and pass no judgment as to the validity of any "fact".
Logic does not make these "facts" mutually exclusive. What I recounted
stands on it's own merit as a part of a larger event with as many points
of view as there were readers and direct observers.

Can I assume that no one in your crew witnessed any animal killing?
They saw dead animals and/or animal parts that were reported by
witnesses to have been killed by the event (but didn't occur to them to
take any photos) To split more hairs, where are the necropsy reports
establishing causes or times of death? What is the complete list of
carcasses? Someone did take complete perspective photos did they not?
No? No one processed the scene forensically?  So no dead animal photos
reported.  As none have been mentioned nor published they probably do
not exist elsewhere either. 

We have to rely on collective written reports and memories and make a
judgment as to what the most likely set of accounts represent reality.
Nothing I have seen excludes multiple animal deaths before during and
after impact.  

I knew of the ewe and llama reports but this is the first I've caught on
that there was a bull angle.  Frankly, the whole issue is in the noise
level for me but this does remind me to look for that box of "meteorite
encrusted" dead-horse floggers that I sell from time to time. 

Be it remembered we had a troll on the list providing misinformation, a
world-wide attack on our hobby, political intrigue and police corruption
we only thought was in Hollywood. We had alot of clueless opinions by
professionals--remember the condridic pallasite identification by the
geologist in charge? ...media grandstanding, mass illness hysteria(?),
UFO buffs, Chicken littles sky is falling rants--- We were lamenting the
loss of important scientific data and were putting together a bake sale
to raise Michael Framer's bail!

NO ONE had the big picture not to mention a whole picture. I still see a
lot of false information and did see at the time--enough to know to not
accept at face value the reports coming from Carancas. To suggest that I
am calling anyone a liar is a distant stretch of the truth.    Having a
part of the picture is just that-- a part.  In this jigsaw picture
puzzle, there are apparently both extra pieces as well as missing pieces
in the unpublished picture--according to my tea leaves anyway..lol.

I would have loved to have been able to be there with you and your crew.

Elton


--- On Wed, 3/11/09, cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:

> From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
> To: "Mr EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>, "meteoritelist"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:47 PM
> Elton,
> I'm not questioning your memories of a year and a half
> ago but, If it is so easy to assume the man in the video is
> a liar then why do you believe anybody from down there? Not
> everyone in Peru is a liar. Do you have some sort of
> crystal ball? This man had nothing to gain, He was worried
> about the health of people and the Animals that my Crew saw
> were killed by the blast according to the land owner.
> I'm glad you know which ones to believe and not believe
> but, I will tell you this; My crew was all highly educated
> people that spoke the native language as well as Spanish.
> They wrote this all down and included names and dates.
> 
> As  a character reference to my crew just ask Bob Haag what
> kind of people they are? 
> 
> Carl Esparza
> 
> IMCA 5829
> 
> Meteoritemax 

> ---- Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
I recall from reports at the time that some already dead and buried
"Carcancas Carcasses" were excavated/exposed by/near the crater.  
> Something else was mentioned during the fog of thought and fear
> immediately engulfing the event:a claim was made that animals
> had been killed by the impact in the event a
> re-reimbursement claim could be made should this turn out to be an
> errant military munition or other big pocket liability claim.
> Subsequently the animal deaths were confirmed to have been
> several days before.AFAIR
> > > 
> > > So I guess the new moniker for this class could
> be "grave digger".
> > > 
> > > Elton



------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:45:20 GMT
From: "Steve Schoner" <schoner at mybluelight.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Message-ID: <20090311.214520.9455.0 at webmail05.dca.untd.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM850

Yes, 

I remember seeing that meteorite back in Nov. of 1961 when I was 10
years old.   The road out to the small visitor center I think as I
remember was dirt and not paved.

The basket meteorite was on a low pedestal and I recall trying to heft
it by the its handle.   Too heavy for me to lift.

It was a very impressive piece, never forgot it.

Amazing that it finally turned up.

Now, lets hope that the 444.5 gram full slice of the Glorieta meteorite,
(one of only six) that I found that was stolen at the 2001 Tucson Gem
and Mineral Show-- Shows up someday.   Hopefully not 40 years later.

Steve.


Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:16:12 -0700
From: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be
	Returned
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Message-ID: <49B7C7AC.7050409 at meteoritewatch.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I found article this in my email box this morning...

"..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee 
rummage sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of 
metal he figured might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.

He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 
50,000 years ago.

"For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from 
blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds," said Lynch, a retired 
foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.

Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and 
realized that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that 
the thing never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV 
show, he held a magnet up to the object and it stuck.

He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and

then to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. 
Yes, they said, it's a meteorite.."

READ THE FULL ARTICLE
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html


Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.

Does anyone on-list remember this piece?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA

 

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:13:25 -0700
From: <cdtucson at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
To: meteoritelist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, 	Mr EMan
	<mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090312011325.1T9CW.97540.imail at fed1rmwml40>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Elton, 
I am not trying to cross swords with you . I am simply stating that we
were the most informed people there at the time. We were picking up
meteorites while the list was trying to decide whether the event was
caused by a  meteorite  or a bomb? 
In the English transaction on the video A bull  is a male animal not
necessarily a cow. 
This was my very first experience with a fall and with meteorite
collection in general. I confess I had no idea that the death of animals
would become such am important part of this or there would be photos. 
You speak of forensics and necropsy like this all occurred in America.
Please keep things in perspective here. 
Again no hard feeling I just want people to know that we gathered the
information that we thought was impoertant.That's all. This was a
learning experience for all of us. Bob told us the dust was worthless. I
am glad that turned out wrong. It saddens me that the proper science was
not done because even the scientists to this day still disagree with
each other on this one. I am still waiting on the cosmochemistry report
to be published. 
Thank you.
Carl

---- Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> 
> The Astronomical Case of the Carancas Carcasses or The Mystical
Matador of Titicaca Scores a Bull's Eye  by Elton "Sir Art. C. Doyle"
Jones
> 
> Well Gosh ,Carl, The short answer is: Huh???? Where did that come
from?  I am not calling anyone a liar-- Troll? yes  Idiot? yes but no
one on this issue am I calling a liar. 
> 
> The long answer is--You don't want really want to go there but, if you
insist...
> 
> Crystal bulls  er  balls.. have nothing to do with anything I
mentioned. I simply re-reported additional details of what was
circulated from various sources and pass no judgment as to the validity
of any "fact". Logic does not make these "facts" mutually exclusive.
What I recounted stands on it's own merit as a part of a larger event
with as many points of view as there were readers and direct observers.
> 
> Can I assume that no one in your crew witnessed any animal killing?
They saw dead animals and/or animal parts that were reported by
witnesses to have been killed by the event (but didn't occur to them to
take any photos) To split more hairs, where are the necropsy reports
establishing causes or times of death? What is the complete list of
carcasses? Someone did take complete perspective photos did they not?
No? No one processed the scene forensically?  So no dead animal photos
reported.  As none have been mentioned nor published they probably do
not exist elsewhere either. 
> 
> We have to rely on collective written reports and memories and make a
judgment as to what the most likely set of accounts represent reality.
Nothing I have seen excludes multiple animal deaths before during and
after impact.  
> 
> I knew of the ewe and llama reports but this is the first I've caught
on that there was a bull angle.  Frankly, the whole issue is in the
noise level for me but this does remind me to look for that box of
"meteorite encrusted" dead-horse floggers that I sell from time to time.

> 
> Be it remembered we had a troll on the list providing misinformation,
a world-wide attack on our hobby, political intrigue and police
corruption we only thought was in Hollywood. We had alot of clueless
opinions by professionals--remember the condridic pallasite
identification by the geologist in charge? ...media grandstanding, mass
illness hysteria(?), UFO buffs, Chicken littles sky is falling rants---
We were lamenting the loss of important scientific data and were putting
together a bake sale to raise Michael Framer's bail!
> 
> NO ONE had the big picture not to mention a whole picture. I still see
a lot of false information and did see at the time--enough to know to
not  accept at face value the reports coming from Carancas. To suggest
that I am calling anyone a liar is a distant stretch of the truth.
Having a part of the picture is just that-- a part.  In this jigsaw
picture puzzle, there are apparently both extra pieces as well as
missing pieces in the unpublished picture--according to my tea leaves
anyway..lol.
> 
> I would have loved to have been able to be there with you and your
crew.
> 
> Elton
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
> > To: "Mr EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>, "meteoritelist"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:47 PM
> > Elton,
> > I'm not questioning your memories of a year and a half
> > ago but, If it is so easy to assume the man in the video is
> > a liar then why do you believe anybody from down there? Not
> > everyone in Peru is a liar. Do you have some sort of
> > crystal ball? This man had nothing to gain, He was worried
> > about the health of people and the Animals that my Crew saw
> > were killed by the blast according to the land owner.
> > I'm glad you know which ones to believe and not believe
> > but, I will tell you this; My crew was all highly educated
> > people that spoke the native language as well as Spanish.
> > They wrote this all down and included names and dates.
> > 
> > As  a character reference to my crew just ask Bob Haag what
> > kind of people they are? 
> > 
> > Carl Esparza
> > 
> > IMCA 5829
> > 
> > Meteoritemax 
> 
> > ---- Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> I recall from reports at the time that some already dead and buried
"Carcancas Carcasses" were excavated/exposed by/near the crater.  
> > Something else was mentioned during the fog of thought and fear
> > immediately engulfing the event:a claim was made that animals
> > had been killed by the impact in the event a
> > re-reimbursement claim could be made should this turn out to be an
> > errant military munition or other big pocket liability claim.
> > Subsequently the animal deaths were confirmed to have been
> > several days before.AFAIR
> > > > 
> > > > So I guess the new moniker for this class could
> > be "grave digger".
> > > > 
> > > > Elton
>


------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:40:22 -0700
From: Paul Harris <paul at meteorite.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] PSA
To: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
Cc: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <49B8A046.5050205 at meteorite.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Dear Michael and List,

The link from your page to the "in-depth page" is not working (Forbidden

Error) but both of the links below work fine when typed into the browser

for me. 

http://www.meteorite.com/friends/
http://www.meteorite.com/friends/index.php/cat/9

Both links from Meteorite-Times on the following pages are also working 
fine.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite_frame.htm
http://www.meteorite-times.com/directory/index.php/cat/55/meteorite-peop
le/michael-blood%27s-meteorite-friends/

If someone could please add a link to Michael's "in-depth page" 
http://www.meteorite.com/friends/index.php/cat/9 on their page and let 
me know the results I would really appreciate it. Please contact me off 
list.

Thank you very much!

Paul


Michael Blood wrote:
> Hi all,
>     The handsome visages of MarcFries, MichaelBross & Todd
> Carter can now be seen at my Meteorite Friends Page at:
>
> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html
>
> For some reason, the link to the in-depth page is temporarily broken,
> But I am confident that will be "up" as soon as Paul has the time.
>         Those of you NOT yet on the friends page, please send me a JPG
> Off list.
>         Thanks, Michael
>
>
>  
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:59:54 -0500
From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] PSA
To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
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On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:17:13 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>    The handsome visages of MarcFries, MichaelBross & Todd
>Carter can now be seen at my Meteorite Friends Page at:
>
>http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

Am I the only one that suspects that Michael maintains an unpublicised
"Meteorite Enemies" page-- shared with only an elect few-- that list the
meteorite collectors he is less fond of?

Or maybe a page of true enemies of meteorites-- I think I found it!

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/meteorite_enemies/


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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:47:45 +0100
From: "Meteorite-Recon.com" <info at niger-meteorite-recon.de>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] PSA
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID:
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simply hilarious. It seems to me that "uncle Lawrencite" is missing
though.

Svend

www.meteorite-recon.com

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:17:13 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>    The handsome visages of MarcFries, MichaelBross & Todd
>Carter can now be seen at my Meteorite Friends Page at:
>
>http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

Am I the only one that suspects that Michael maintains an unpublicised
"Meteorite Enemies" page-- shared with only an elect few-- that list the
meteorite collectors he is less fond of?

Or maybe a page of true enemies of meteorites-- I think I found it!

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/meteorite_enemies/
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:49:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Doppler radar signature from bolides
To: metlist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <99732.66573.qm at web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
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For various reasons including meteorite speed and cross section, plus
radar scan patterns/rates, back scatter noise filtering software,etc. I
don't believe the meteorite/meteoroid-proper is detected via doppler
echos.  Rather the train/cloud of silicate and iron oxide "fog"
expanding to reach thermo-equilibrum in the cold atmosphere that mimics
precipitation signatures.

Elton


--- On Wed, 3/11/09, McCartney Taylor <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>
wrote:

> From: McCartney Taylor <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Doppler radar signature from bolides
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 2:26 PM
> Note that the stoney has a Specific gravity of 3.0 vs
> water's 1.0.  Indeed, it should have an excellent
> reflection from radar.
> 
> -mt
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> > From: "E.P. Grondine"
> <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:58 PM
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Doppler radar signature from
> bolides
> > 
> > Hi - 
> > 
> > I wonder why such a small amount of material produced
> such a large doppler
> > signature. Anyone have any guesses?
> > 
> > E.P. Grondine
> > Man and Impact in the Americas
> > 
> > 
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:05:36 -0000
From: "Mark Ford" <mark.ford at ssl.gb.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
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Ha! very good Martin, sounds just like something the European Commission
would actually implement!


Or ... we could just say, 'if the rock in question hit something other
than the ground, then it's a hammer!?'

Best,

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: imca-bounces at imcamail.de [mailto:imca-bounces at imcamail.de] On
Behalf Of Martin Altmann
Sent: 12 March 2009 00:54
To: imca at imcamail.de
Subject: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation

Oki.

Give me 20 minutes. But don't take it to seriously....

1) A hammer is a single stone who hits and remarkably damages a man made
object.

Alpha) A damage is a change of the object which must be at least 2
inches in
diameter and 1 inch deep, 

else it is 
beta) a scratch.

In any case the damage or the scratch has to be recognizable with
unaided
eye.


I) A man made object has to be at least 2 feet tall, else 

2) the stone is a hitter.

Is a man made object filled with more then 50% of its volume by liquids
and
if it owns the property of auto-motion - then I) is overruled
and the man made object is  

Ib) a human or an other animal

and the 1) and 2) is called 

3) strucker 

if Ib) looses not more than 20% of its liquids and the property of
auto-motion is not suspended for more than 110 years.

Else 3) turns into 

4) killer.

If 4) happens but Ib) shows neither alpha) nor beta)

It is a 

5) blaster


1), 2), 3) & 4) applies only on the very object which hits the very
objects
I) & Ib)

All other similar objects which fall from above in spatial and temporal
adjacency,

shall be identified furthermore by the suffix 

 -ette.


If 1) - 5) is subdivided into smaller entities,

A) it has to be done under the surveillance of a lawyer and a member of
the
board of directors of the IMCA or the latter substituted by at least 3
full
members, with the following conditions:
- they shall not stem from the country of the fall
- they shall not be related or related by marriage with the finder, the
cutter, the owner nor the surveying lawyer.
- they had and have to abstain from any commercial meteorite trades.

B) the subdivided portions of the 19 -5) have to be numbered according a
partition scheme (still to be defined by IMCA) and registered by IMCA.

* any further partitition follows A) and B)


Any 1) - 5) and alpha) and beta) has to be certified by
and any hammerette, hitterette, struckerette, killerette and blasterette
has
to be certified by 
two regular lawyers of the county of the occurrence 
and has additionally to be testified by either 
the special hammer agent of IMCA 
or at least 3 regular members of IMCA with the same conditions like in
A)
and it has to be done within 5 days after the fall.


>From each hammer, hitter, strucker, killer and blaster
20% or 20g, whatever the larger amount is, has to be given for free to
the
treasurer of IMCA as deposit for references and commercial purposes.

20% or 20g of the strucked objects or humans or animals has to be given
for
free to the treasurer of IMCA as deposit and for references and
commercial
purposes.

>From each hammerette, hitterette, struckerette, killerette and
blasterette
10% or 10g, whatever the larger amount is, has to be given for free to
the
treasurer of IMCA as deposit and for references and commercial purposes.

If all these conditions and requirements are fulfilled,
the board of directors will convene to vote for the official status of
the
stones.

Else no stone shall be named "a hammer".


... 

Something like this?
Martin


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Dave Gheesling [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. M?rz 2009 00:54
An: 'Martin Altmann'; imca at imcamail.de
Betreff: RE: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation

Martin, David & All,
Whether we, individually speaking, attach some value to the term or not,
is
it in widespread enough use and potentially ambiguous/misunderstood to
merit
some reasonable attempt at standardization by IMCA?
Best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com  

-----Original Message-----
From: imca-bounces at imcamail.de [mailto:imca-bounces at imcamail.de] On
Behalf
Of Martin Altmann
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:19 PM
To: imca at imcamail.de
Subject: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation

Well David,

you're right, but maybe I should explain better, why I have my
difficulties
to attach that importance to the topic, which others do.

When I made my first website about meteorites long ago, I took on the
front
page a quote by Franz v.Kobell, which I had found in an old popular
book,
which I once had bought as a boy on a fleamarket -

"For how long many a meteor stone may have flown his circular flight as
a
small descendent of a planet, through the midst of the immense masses of
the
great regents of the skies, what revolution may have torn him away into
the
wide, strange stellar space and have separated him from his mother Ceres
or
Pallas or whatever her name, how many things may have befallen him
during
his voyages through those dizzy heights, which man can hardly comprise
in
their extent, except for those moments of sublime feeling, which at the
same
time make him bough to HIM who hath created and disposed as HE
pleaseth?!
Such are the thoughts that rise in us, as we look at the black,
mysterious
stone, which now lies cold and motionless in our cabinets and which,
methinks, in bright nights, when he sees the distant stars twinkling
outside, may yearn back to the times of his freedom with its audacious
flights, that he relished in."

- because even if he wrote that more than 160 years ago, it met best my
fascination I felt for meteorites and it describes still today at best
my
motivation for carry on in that often so friggin hard job as a meteorite
dealer.

I know, today we are much more spoiled by the sheer number and by the
easy
availability of even the rarest types than in the 80ies or in the 90ies,
(although the amounts coming from deserts aside the equilibrated OCs are
much more clear and manageable most are thinking).

But for me there are a hundred aspects more fascinating on a very stone,
than whether it hit a roof or whether one of its fellows killed a lizard
or
knocked off a bull.
Are meteorites meanwhile so boring for the collectors (to collectors,
not
meteoritic laypeople), that they need such a gimmick to be desirable for
them? Why they don't collect coconuts instead? This one hit a tourist
from
Michigan, 46 years old, a dentist - that one a dog, named Fluffy - and
that
made a dent in the roof of a car....  

When I get such a stone in my hands
http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2004/December/mbale.jpg

honestly, than I'm thinking in that moment to anything else but to this
http://www.planetarium.montreal.qc.ca/Information/Expo_Meteorites/Images
/fic
hes/small/image_mbale4.jpg

http://www.planetarium.montreal.qc.ca/Information/Expo_Meteorites/Images
/sma
ll/image_144.jpg

Hadn't Allende so many more to tell to us about our origins, than that a
few
stones lied on a roof?

If we cut a stone and for the first time after 4.5billion years it opens
us
its strange splendour, telling us the lore from these exotic worlds out
there, we never will get hold of.... shall we say then: Kool, what a
sensation: it has a dry blade of grass or a speck of wall paint sticking
on
a corner....

So I have my problems to take that hammer-thing seriously. 

Whether a fence is more a man-made object, than a curb stone; if I fall
dead
from my chair with a meteorite in my hand, cause I worked to much,
whether
than this specimens qualifies in the same way as hammer or killer as if
it
had fallen on my nob and if it was a Gao, what that would mean to the
rest
of the 9999 stones, whether they are than a hammer&killer, a fellow
hammer
and secondary killer..

That are funny stories, a nice extra, small curios - more it isn't to
me.


Yah of course these are excellent anecdotes to tell to laypeople, but
that
hammer-hysteria is raging among meteorite collectors now and not
laypeople.

And of course - on TV each film - or each article in a newspaper about
meteorites can be sorted in 2 categories.

First, uuuh sweet poor dino, rolling his eyes - kaboom your dead. Big
Apple,
kawooosh, Tour Eiffel, zoshhhh, Big Ben baaang, Golden Gate Bridge
Tsunamissimiiii, ugly Barringer hole....  
message: meteorites - we all must die.
In such films/articles it's even not necessary to show a real meteorite.

Second. The Gold Rush. Meteorite Hunt. $$$$$$$$$$$

So of course it's interesting for laypeople to hear what meteorites all
have
smashed.
But we are meteorite collectors. Don't we collect meteorites for other
reasons?

As told, no offense intended - this is also only my very personal access
to
meteorites - and I don't disregard these, who collect perhaps only
hammers,

But - again personally - I see no such urgent need for an "official"
terminology, categorizing, ranking of "hammers"
or better to say - I see no harm, if something like that wouldn't exist.


...if I had a hammer, lalalalala la laa
Martin
 

________________________________________
Von: imca-bounces at imcamail.de [mailto:imca-bounces at imcamail.de] Im
Auftrag
von Spacerocks UK
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. M?rz 2009 07:51
An: imca at imcamail.de
Betreff: Re: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation

Members!
As a comparative new-comer to the IMCA, but as the UK's largest dealer
(sadly in several ways!) may I make a couple of points?
* Whether Michael invented the term 'hammer' or not, he is definitely
the
person one thinks of first in relation to its use in this context *
Although
I personally don't use the term on my website, I think it adds to the
excitement and drama of a description: I always mention the 'pan of
soup'
story when showing a customer a piece of Juangcheng, although I'm sure
my
bits were just found on the ground! (Which I'm quick to affirm to
clients!)
* Although I concede that, strictly speaking, we should? differentiate
between meteorites that actually hit something and fragments that merely
land on the ground, this is, IMHO, slightly nit-picking. Apollo
Astronaut
Alan Bean sells his old paint brushes for big money, although he didn't
take
them to the Moon with him: their enhanced value comes from their direct
link
with the Apollo 12 Moon mission.
* Like Michael (and many others here, I'm sure) I sell meteorites to pay
the
bills and augment my income as a free-lance lecturer (I retired from
full-time teaching three years ago) Now, meteorites don't sell
themselves
over here, so I sometimes have to emphasise their dramatic features: age
/
possible?role in panspermia / cataclysmic impacts such as KT etc etc.
The
bottom line is we sell meteorites to a wide range of clients and, as
long as
we're not guilty of misrepresentation, highlighting their more exotic
features is just good salesmanship! 
* Lastly: it's a shame if we allow semantics to cause rifts in what is,
after all, an organisation we can all be proud to be part of....
Respectfully,
David Bryant
IMCA 1898

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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 20:28:58 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:28:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] unclassified oriented meteorites
Message-ID: <640643.81115.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


Hi list.Does anyone have any unclassified stoney oriented meteorites forsale.Say 100 to 300 grams??
?
Steve R.Arnold No#1!,Chicago!
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Fri Mar 13 21:39:51 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:39:51 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 17fireball
In-Reply-To: <5F684CB478FA4A8B91BE85E4F6D0C985@thomaslemjmqar>
References: <5F684CB478FA4A8B91BE85E4F6D0C985@thomaslemjmqar>
Message-ID: <007e01c9a445$c52d0350$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Hi Thomas,

>About Danish rules for collecting and exporting meteorites I think I've
read 
>somewhere that the situatuon is similar to Canada. You have to get a 
>permission to be able to legally export a Danish meteorite.

According Schmitt's article in MAPS, there is an "Museum act" in Denmark,
which says, that all Danish meteorites have to be delivered to a museum,
and the finder gets only an allowance for the expenses to find and to
deliver the specimens, but zero reward.

Hence, if that is true at all, it certainly would not be interesting to work
on that fall for professional and experienced hunters - so Henning Haack and
colleagues would have to try to find it and to increase the tkw by their
own.

A pity and less promising, as if professionals would attend to - especially
if I see, how the tkws of the European falls only of this decade were
multiplied or how some of them were recovered at all with their help...but
these are the laws.

Hope the Danish laws will be revised.
or better, I hope next fall will occur in Sweden ;-)

Best!
Martin


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Thomas
?sterberg
Gesendet: Freitag, 13. M?rz 2009 21:35
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 17fireball

Dear Ruben,

And others planning for a trip to Denmark. Quoting the article (today) 
published in the newspaper Politiken, Henning Haack at the the Geolocial 
Museum in Cpenhagen, urges people to active search for fragments.

"Mit store h?b er, at folk p? Lolland nu g?r ud og leder efter flere. Vi har

et omr?de p? omkring 10 gange 20 kilometer n?r Maribo, hvor der kunne ligge 
flere meteoritsten. S? jeg vil opfordre folk til at kigge efter i tagrender 
og p? gr?spl?nerne for at se efter meteoritter og indlevere dem til os?, 
siger Henning Haack."

Translated: My big hope is that people on Lolland now will go searching for 
more (meteorites). We have an area of about 10 by 20 kilometer, near Maribo,

where there probably are more meteorites to be found. So, I urge people to 
look in their roof draing channels and their lawns for meteorites and come 
with them to us, says Henning Haak".

About Danish rules for collecting and exporting meteorites I think I've read

somewhere that the situatuon is similar to Canada. You have to get a 
permission to be able to legally export a Danish meteorite. Can somebody 
give more approriate information about this?

Good luck!

Thomas ?sterberg



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From michael at spacerocksinc.com  Fri Mar 13 22:01:10 2009
From: michael at spacerocksinc.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:01:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <20239182.476111236996070285.JavaMail.root@mbs4.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html


From meteoritemall at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 23:31:46 2009
From: meteoritemall at yahoo.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:31:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 17fireball
In-Reply-To: <FCA04860685740F192B4BC82201C3FB5@JeffPC>
Message-ID: <143197.98992.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Thank you to everyone that responded to my question about exporting meteorites from Denmark. It looks exporting is very difficult if it is possible at all.

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


--- On Fri, 3/13/09, Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au> wrote:

> From: Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 17fireball
> To: "Thomas ?sterberg" <marie.m.osterberg at telia.com>
> Cc: meteoritemall at yahoo.com
> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 3:52 PM
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Maybe this helps:
> 
> "The law of ownership and control of meteorites."
> - Douglas G. Schmitt, 2001
> 
> DENMARK:
> 
> www.meteorites.com.au/images/denmark.jpg
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas
> ?sterberg" <marie.m.osterberg at telia.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:34 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the
> January 17fireball
> 
> 
> Dear Ruben,
> 
> And others planning for a trip to Denmark. Quoting the
> article (today)
> published in the newspaper Politiken, Henning Haack at the
> the Geolocial
> Museum in Cpenhagen, urges people to active search for
> fragments.
> 
> "Mit store h?b er, at folk p? Lolland nu g?r ud og
> leder efter flere. Vi har
> et omr?de p? omkring 10 gange 20 kilometer n?r Maribo,
> hvor der kunne ligge
> flere meteoritsten. S? jeg vil opfordre folk til at kigge
> efter i tagrender
> og p? gr?spl?nerne for at se efter meteoritter og
> indlevere dem til os?,
> siger Henning Haack."
> 
> Translated: My big hope is that people on Lolland now will
> go searching for
> more (meteorites). We have an area of about 10 by 20
> kilometer, near Maribo,
> where there probably are more meteorites to be found. So, I
> urge people to
> look in their roof draing channels and their lawns for
> meteorites and come
> with them to us, says Henning Haak".
> 
> About Danish rules for collecting and exporting meteorites
> I think I've read
> somewhere that the situatuon is similar to Canada. You have
> to get a
> permission to be able to legally export a Danish meteorite.
> Can somebody
> give more approriate information about this?
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Thomas ?sterberg
> 
> 
> 
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From jnbran at verizon.net  Fri Mar 13 23:51:06 2009
From: jnbran at verizon.net (JASON PHILLIPS)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:51:06 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Rare specimens (offers)
In-Reply-To: <a06230900c5e059131da5@[138.237.133.32]>
References: <a06230900c5e059131da5@[138.237.133.32]>
Message-ID: <1C57CFD9FB8F496A9823F36D569C2AE7@AcerPC>

Hello List,

I have a few meteorite specimens that I am offering up for sale. I am asking 
for offers (good or bad) on these specimens. All of these have been in my 
collection for many years and are all high quality, rare, and interesting 
specimens.



#1.  Millbillillie, Australia

eucrite

86 gram thin endcut in the shape of Texas

Witnessed fall Oct. 1960



#2.  Gujba, Nigeria

Bencubbinite

21 gram thin full slice

Witnessed fall 1984



#3.  NWA 1929, Morocco

Re-crystallized Howardite

118 gram endcut, the true main mass of this rare find.

Found in 2003



#4.  NWA 4857, Morocco

Shergottite, martian

1.56 gram, 1.57 gram, 2.53 gram

Crusted small individuals

Found in 2006



Take Care,

Jason Phillips

Rocks from Heaven

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From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar 14 02:02:21 2009
From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:02:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sales Meteorites on ebay ending over the next
	week
Message-ID: <001501c9a46a$7222ed30$4001a8c0@BRIANSCOMPUTER>

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From meteoriteguy at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 14 00:17:33 2009
From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com (Michael Farmer)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:17:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] unclassified oriented meteorites
Message-ID: <182701.69434.qm@web110612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Why
You already sold all of the West specimens you bought for major
Losses. How can you keep pissing away things you buy hours after getting them? If you buy it you will just  sell it for 80% less the next day.
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPod

On Mar 13, 2009, at 5:28 PM, steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:


Hi list.Does anyone have any unclassified stoney oriented meteorites forsale.Say 100 to 300 grams??
 
Steve R.Arnold No#1!,Chicago!
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From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 14 02:25:14 2009
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 23:25:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Vesicle Size/Images
In-Reply-To: <41276.24563.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <309101.13984.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I was wondering if they are really vesicles or was material washed out by the cutting fluid?
cheers
Steve


--- On Fri, 3/13/09, habibi abdelaziz <azizhabibi at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: habibi abdelaziz <azizhabibi at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question About Vesicle Size/Images
> To: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 9:44 AM
> ?hello list
> adam wrote,,
> My question is; What is the largest vesicle ever measured
> in meteorite?
> _______________________________________________________________
> 
> ?http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/2165873519/in/set-72157603629866992/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/2166705250/in/set-72157603629866992/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/sets/72157603629866992/
> 
> the hole here is the viscile make abaout 2.5 cm ,? and
> there is hole of 1 cm.
> this the taoudidn diogenite many colletor told it's
> similar to dho 700;
> i know they are not paired? but they look the smae
> 1000's of visicles
> 
> thanks
> aziz
> 
> 
> 
> ?habibi aziz 
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> phone. 21235576145 
> fax.21235576170</font> 
> 
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From marie.m.osterberg at telia.com  Sat Mar 14 05:57:38 2009
From: marie.m.osterberg at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_=D6sterberg?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:57:38 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Fragments recovered from the January 17fireball
Message-ID: <EFFECC520A6F49698D3DEE02AEF289C7@thomaslemjmqar>


Hi List and Martin,



I certainly agree with you! The best thing would be if the Danish 
authorities quickly revised their laws regarding meteorites, allowing 
private hunters and collectors to keep at least a portion of their findings. 
Perhaps something similar to the situation in Canada, where meteorite 
collectors can get permission to keep and to export their meteorites if they 
only cooperate with Canadian museums and authorities and are willingly to 
let some time pass.



It would be interesting to know about Mr. Haacks opinion in this matter!



On contrary, here in Sweden the situation is the quite opposite.  There are 
no laws governing meteorite collecting, as far as I know. You can keep your 
findings, and do what you want to do with them, as long you have spoken with 
the local land owner and got his permission.



Happy hunting!



Thomas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 
17fireball


Hi Thomas,

>About Danish rules for collecting and exporting meteorites I think I've
read
>somewhere that the situatuon is similar to Canada. You have to get a
>permission to be able to legally export a Danish meteorite.

According Schmitt's article in MAPS, there is an "Museum act" in Denmark,
which says, that all Danish meteorites have to be delivered to a museum,
and the finder gets only an allowance for the expenses to find and to
deliver the specimens, but zero reward.

Hence, if that is true at all, it certainly would not be interesting to work
on that fall for professional and experienced hunters - so Henning Haack and
colleagues would have to try to find it and to increase the tkw by their
own.

A pity and less promising, as if professionals would attend to - especially
if I see, how the tkws of the European falls only of this decade were
multiplied or how some of them were recovered at all with their help...but
these are the laws.

Hope the Danish laws will be revised.
or better, I hope next fall will occur in Sweden ;-)

Best!
Martin



From marie.m.osterberg at telia.com  Sat Mar 14 06:18:42 2009
From: marie.m.osterberg at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_=D6sterberg?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:18:42 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] More information and pictures of the Maribo fall!
Message-ID: <6F93128D2AE44F0A97B510FA3434FEB5@thomaslemjmqar>

Dear List,

I just found this link to Geologisk Museum in Copenhagen, with more pictures 
of the meteorite fragements recovered, including some pics of the interior!

Any idea its classification? Based on the text content (including articles 
in Politiken) it seems to be a very, very fragile meteorite. Maybe new 
Tagish Lake? Any comments?

Thomas
http://geologi.snm.ku.dk/nyheder_gm/nyhed13032009/ 


From ensaist at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 06:19:07 2009
From: ensaist at gmail.com (Ahmad bouragaa)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:19:07 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Nice specimens of Tamdakht for sale
Message-ID: <2baeaea40903140319q171e7d7cvffb3e71c89a283f0@mail.gmail.com>

Hello List
I hope all are doing well  with you, this  a good piece of Tamdakht
meteorite, its realy one  of the best pieces found , mostly black,
crust and fresh, you can see  it on this web:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36221954 at N07/
who interested contact me off the list;
best regards

From info at meteorites.com.au  Sat Mar 14 06:22:35 2009
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:22:35 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] More information and pictures of the Maribo
	fall!
In-Reply-To: <6F93128D2AE44F0A97B510FA3434FEB5@thomaslemjmqar>
References: <6F93128D2AE44F0A97B510FA3434FEB5@thomaslemjmqar>
Message-ID: <E207BD6DE2EB47069FB44E1D8C2D3701@JeffPC>

Hi Thomas,

Thanks for the link and it looks like a CM2. I wonder how long this material 
will last out in the elements! Probably not long!

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas ?sterberg" <marie.m.osterberg at telia.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] More information and pictures of the Maribo fall!


> Dear List,
>
> I just found this link to Geologisk Museum in Copenhagen, with more 
> pictures of the meteorite fragements recovered, including some pics of the 
> interior!
>
> Any idea its classification? Based on the text content (including articles 
> in Politiken) it seems to be a very, very fragile meteorite. Maybe new 
> Tagish Lake? Any comments?
>
> Thomas
> http://geologi.snm.ku.dk/nyheder_gm/nyhed13032009/
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From Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de  Sat Mar 14 06:27:03 2009
From: Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de (Carsten Giessler)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:27:03 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 17
 fireball, a Carbonaceous!
Message-ID: <49BB8677.3050706@t-online.de>

Hola,

i found a report, in german language:

http://nachrichten.t-online.de/c/18/09/97/60/18099760.html

They write that the Danish Fall is a carbonaceous chondrite!

My best,

Carsten



From tett at rogers.com  Sat Mar 14 07:16:42 2009
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 07:16:42 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] More information and pictures of the Maribo
 fall!
In-Reply-To: <6F93128D2AE44F0A97B510FA3434FEB5@thomaslemjmqar>
References: <6F93128D2AE44F0A97B510FA3434FEB5@thomaslemjmqar>
Message-ID: <49BB921A.50405@rogers.com>

My bet is a CM carbonaceous meteorite.  Based solely on the few pictures 
in the article so just a guess.  Looks like a rare one!

Cheers,

Mike Tettenborn
Owen Sound, Ontario
Canada

Thomas ?sterberg wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> I just found this link to Geologisk Museum in Copenhagen, with more 
> pictures of the meteorite fragements recovered, including some pics of 
> the interior!
> 
> Any idea its classification? Based on the text content (including 
> articles in Politiken) it seems to be a very, very fragile meteorite. 
> Maybe new Tagish Lake? Any comments?
> 
> Thomas
> http://geologi.snm.ku.dk/nyheder_gm/nyhed13032009/
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From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 14 07:23:53 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 04:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <20090313154008.TFMZK.123094.imail@fed1rmwml35>
Message-ID: <563146.63778.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


Sorry but these suppositions are hogwash. The evidence says no such thing! The link, while interesting, is unrelated.  Until a second petrology from West is found, the color of the meteoroid internal matrix was what we see on what was recovered.  Yes we can not prove any pre-entry surface color but making a scientifically founded prediction will win out over tequilla or tarot cards 99.99% of the time.(OTSSWAG)

Elton


--- On Fri, 3/13/09, cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:

> From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Before Meteorites
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritewatch.com>
> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 3:40 PM
> Eric,
> This is a very interesting question to me because ; How do
> we know what color these west rocks were prior to entering
> our Atmosphere?Maybe we don't? As seen in the video of
> the fall it looks to me that something came apart in
> mid-air. But maybe those are represented by only the broken
> ones found on the ground. What if the complete stones
> actually came in black? It is not a stretch to imagine that
> because we simply do not know the answer. There is no way we
> could know. Before you think I'm crazy consider the only
> bit of information we know for a fact was done by the
> Europeans called "stone6".
> <http://www.spacedaily.com/report/Stone_6_Artificial_Meteorite_Shows_Martian_Impactors_Could_Carry_Traces_Of_Life_999.html>
> In this experiment none of the rocks turned black. Some of
> the rocks in fact did not change colors at all. and the ones
> that did, changed to a creamy white crust. 
> So, who is to say these rocks are not already black while
> traveling through space. The evidence here actually leans in
> that direction. Maybe these rocks were already coated with
> black crust and that is what protects them from evaporation
> when they travel through our atmosphere. 
> Again, this may sound silly but if you look at the evidence
> from this study and you acknowledge the fact that the things
> we do see in space are in fact already dark it does make you
> wonder. Maybe our atmosphere is not the reason they are
> black after all? Something else comes to mind, We have all
> seen pictures of meteors traveling through our atmosphere
> and then back out again. Wouldn't those accumulate crust
> and then continue on there journey? ???.
> Carl Esparza
> IMCA  5829
> Meteoritemax


From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Sat Mar 14 07:47:38 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:47:38 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January 17fireball
In-Reply-To: <143197.98992.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <FCA04860685740F192B4BC82201C3FB5@JeffPC>
	<143197.98992.qm@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c9a49a$b3a0aba0$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

I see also a problem, in to adjust a market value as the law says,
Because if Danish meteorites are not allowed to be traded, they don't have
any market value or because of their inavailability they would have an
unnecessary high theoretical market value.

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Ruben
Garcia
Gesendet: Samstag, 14. M?rz 2009 04:32
An: Thomas ?sterberg; Jeff Kuyken
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January
17fireball


Thank you to everyone that responded to my question about exporting
meteorites from Denmark. It looks exporting is very difficult if it is
possible at all.

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v


--- On Fri, 3/13/09, Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au> wrote:

> From: Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the January
17fireball
> To: "Thomas ?sterberg" <marie.m.osterberg at telia.com>
> Cc: meteoritemall at yahoo.com
> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 3:52 PM
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Maybe this helps:
> 
> "The law of ownership and control of meteorites."
> - Douglas G. Schmitt, 2001
> 
> DENMARK:
> 
> www.meteorites.com.au/images/denmark.jpg
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas
> ?sterberg" <marie.m.osterberg at telia.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:34 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments recovered from the
> January 17fireball
> 
> 
> Dear Ruben,
> 
> And others planning for a trip to Denmark. Quoting the
> article (today)
> published in the newspaper Politiken, Henning Haack at the
> the Geolocial
> Museum in Cpenhagen, urges people to active search for
> fragments.
> 
> "Mit store h?b er, at folk p? Lolland nu g?r ud og
> leder efter flere. Vi har
> et omr?de p? omkring 10 gange 20 kilometer n?r Maribo,
> hvor der kunne ligge
> flere meteoritsten. S? jeg vil opfordre folk til at kigge
> efter i tagrender
> og p? gr?spl?nerne for at se efter meteoritter og
> indlevere dem til os?,
> siger Henning Haack."
> 
> Translated: My big hope is that people on Lolland now will
> go searching for
> more (meteorites). We have an area of about 10 by 20
> kilometer, near Maribo,
> where there probably are more meteorites to be found. So, I
> urge people to
> look in their roof draing channels and their lawns for
> meteorites and come
> with them to us, says Henning Haak".
> 
> About Danish rules for collecting and exporting meteorites
> I think I've read
> somewhere that the situatuon is similar to Canada. You have
> to get a
> permission to be able to legally export a Danish meteorite.
> Can somebody
> give more approriate information about this?
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Thomas ?sterberg
> 
> 
> 
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From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 14 07:50:21 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 04:50:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Erick Wichman please contact me
In-Reply-To: <49B942BC.3010501@meteoritewatch.com>
Message-ID: <658815.67024.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


I an not able to get my email past your filters and am ready to ship.
Elton  

Sorry List.


From dect60 at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 14 08:05:34 2009
From: dect60 at hotmail.com (Bill Kahlen)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:05:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] unclassified oriented meteorites
In-Reply-To: <182701.69434.qm@web110612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <182701.69434.qm@web110612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL114-W1255240056C9584408767CDF9D0@phx.gbl>


Maybe it is some kind of Ponzi Scheme?
 

> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:17:33 -0700
> From: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com
> To: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] unclassified oriented meteorites
> 
> 
> Why
> You already sold all of the West specimens you bought for major
> Losses. How can you keep pissing away things you buy hours after getting them? If you buy it you will just sell it for 80% less the next day.
> Michael Farmer
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On Mar 13, 2009, at 5:28 PM, steve arnold  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi list.Does anyone have any unclassified stoney oriented meteorites forsale.Say 100 to 300 grams??
> 
> Steve R.Arnold No#1!,Chicago!
>  
> 
> 
> 
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Sat Mar 14 09:01:39 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:01:39 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Fragments recovered from the January
	17fireball
In-Reply-To: <EFFECC520A6F49698D3DEE02AEF289C7@thomaslemjmqar>
References: <EFFECC520A6F49698D3DEE02AEF289C7@thomaslemjmqar>
Message-ID: <001101c9a4a5$03cc0070$177f2a59@name86d88d87e2>

Hi Thomas,

yes indeed I think the countries could rely more on the positive experiences
made with the recent falls,
cause to me it seems, that to restrictive laws are not conducive to the
purpose they were made for
and lead rather to very small tkws or that no meteorites at all are
recovered after a possible fall.

Experiences made in our decade were good in the cases of

2002 Neuschwanstein. 
There was a perfect cooperation between the DLR/fireball network and the
private side - in as far as they gave all data for the pre-calculated
strewnfiels to everyone, who wanted to search
and utilized with that method an enormous manpower,
so that finally the three stones were recovered (all by private
individuals).

2004 Villalbeto de la Pena, there non-official hunters contributed the
majority of the tkw, among them even oriented stones.

2006 Moss - there after the first 2 stones were found, the private hunters
contributes 2/3 of the tkw, amongst other the main mass and the second
largest stone.

2007 Puerto Lapice - was solely and initially recovered by private
enthusiasts - without their work, nothing at all would have been found.

As well as now 2009 - the Danish fal