[meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS

[Matthias Bärmann]

Well, dear aficionados,

as it really seems to be a subject:

perhaps something is wrong with me but I must confess that I
don't understand why the hell to prefer - and pay much more for - a
killer, hammer, damager, penetrator, bone-breaker etc., compared with a nice
and honest meteorite, simply making a hole in the soil.

Just my pacifistic 2 cents,

and my very best,

Matthias Baermann

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cdtucson at cox.net>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Jeff Kuyken"
<info at meteorites.com.au>; "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS



>

> Michael,

> Here is a video link that proves that Carancas killed a bull. You should

> add this to your web site. How much more proof could you ask for?

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPY6gY_5gsw

>

> Carl Esparza

> IMCA 5829

> Meteoritemax

>

>

> ---- Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:

>> In the case of Carancas, there are strong indications

>> That a Llama and a ewe were killed by the shock

>> Wave upon impact. (people reported this, and when

>> Others expressed doubt, scientific evidence of the power

>> Of the shock wave at the distance reported indicated

>> Non-Homo sapiens mammals were definitely succeptable

>> to a life threatening shock wave impact).

>> Best wishes, Michael (PS There was also a large

>> Dirt clod that clobbered a house a couple hundred

>> Yards away. Apparently this "clod" had meteorite

>> Fragments included, as numerous small fragments

>> Were found around the building, though none were

>> Found at that distance away from the building.

>>

>>

>> > From: Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au>

>> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:01 +1100

>> > To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>

>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,

>> > LONG.

>> >

>> > I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on

>> > the

>> > list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I

>> > know

>> > dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting

>> > something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here?

>> >

>> > Cheers,

>> >

>> > Jeff

>> >

>> >

>> > ----- Original Message -----

>> > From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>

>> > To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>

>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM

>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,

>> > LONG.

>> >

>> >

>> > It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied

>> > to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.

>> > Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone

>> > #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.

>> >

>> > jeff

>> >

>> > mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:

>> >> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a

>> >> human-made

>> >> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken

>> >> the

>> >> term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true

>> >> meaning

>> >> and interest (at least to me).

>> >> Matt

>> >> Matt Morgan

>> >> Mile High Meteorites

>> >> http://www.mhmeteorites.com

>> >> P.O. Box 151293

>> >> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

>> >>

>> >> -----Original Message-----

>> >> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>

>> >>

>> >> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To:

>> >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>

>> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,

>> >> LONG.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?

>> >> It hit a man made dirt road.

>> >> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

>> >> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com

>> >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von

>> >> Michael

>> >> Gilmer

>> >> Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57

>> >> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

>> >> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Hi Listees! :)

>> >>

>> >> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my

>> >> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a

>> >> semi-respectable

>> >> number - albeit still quite small compared to some

>> >> of the envious collections other list members have.

>> >>

>> >> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and

>> >> how many hammers do you have in your collection?

>> >>

>> >> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :

>> >>

>> >> Hammer falls -

>> >>

>> >> Allende

>> >> Carancas

>> >> Claxton

>> >> Gao Guenie

>> >> Holbrook

>> >> Moss

>> >> Murchison

>> >> New Orleans

>> >> Park Forest

>> >> Peekskill

>> >> Weston

>> >>

>> >> Other witnessed falls -

>> >>

>> >> Bassikounou

>> >> Chergach

>> >> Ensisheim

>> >> Juvinas

>> >> Norton County

>> >> Shalka

>> >> Sikhote Alin

>> >> Tagish Lake

>> >> Tamdakht

>> >> Tatahouine

>> >> Udei Station

>> >> "West" Texas

>> >> Zag

>> >> Zagami

>> >>

>> >> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed

>> >> falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened

>> >> after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from

>> >> Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting

>> >> point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary

>> >> line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few

>> >> recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,

>> >> Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or

>> >> are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.

>> >>

>> >> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any

>> >> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.

>> >> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more

>> >> interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine

>> >> how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions

>> >> of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite

>> >> hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill

>> >> is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,

>> >> Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an

>> >> occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional

>> >> circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)

>> >>

>> >> New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but

>> >> it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying

>> >> a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting

>> >> is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to

>> >> New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,

>> >> tattooed or sans virginity. ;)

>> >>

>> >> Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous

>> >> phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.

>> >> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting.

>> >> I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a

>> >> fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like

>> >> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting

>> >> a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't

>> >> buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two

>> >> teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these

>> >> two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever

>> >> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly

>> >> emanated from the Carancas crater?

>> >>

>> >> Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of

>> >> amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell

>> >> on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate

>> >> that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and

>> >> got retarded about their meteorite laws.

>> >> Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende,

>> >> then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of

>> >> town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike

>> >> Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent

>> >> piece of Allende.

>> >> Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a

>> >> multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.

>> >> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety

>> >> of targets.

>> >> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's?

>> >>

>> >> Best regards and clear skies!

>> >>

>> >> MikeG

>> >>

>> >> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading

>> >> this post! By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured

>> >> Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)

>> >>

>> >> .........................................................

>> >> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)

>> >> Member of the Meteoritical Society.

>> >> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.

>> >> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and

>> >> http://www.glassthrower.com

>> >> ..........................................................

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

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