[meteorite-list] Ed, Dean, Anne & Proud Tom Call !

[Göran Axelsson]

The difference between proud Tom and the Three Stooges is that the 
latter jokes with fictional characters. I'm not that amused by either of 
them and I understand Anne if she doesn't want to be associated with 
proud Tom.

Göran Axelsson

Mark Grossman wrote:

> Michael,

>

> Read my email carefully.

>

> "I don't know who Proud Tom is - he is before my time, but these, as well as

> other often personal attacks and offensive remarks do not serve the image of

> the list, the collectors, the dealers or members at large very well at all."

>

>

> The personal attacks and offensive remarks I am referring to are the many,

> many remarks I have observed on this list for over a year or so.  So the

> debate about someone named Proud Tom emerging as one of the most important

> topics on the meteorite discussion list today comes as no surprise to me.

>

> Why do you think this list is called the "Big Scary List" in other parts of

> the meteoritic world?

>

> So you are right Michael.  I suggest that the list members follow your lead

> and take the next few days to really, really discuss if the Three Stooges

> are Cheech and Chong are offensive.    Sounds like something that's very

> important to you.

>

> Discussion of the Three Stooges/Cheech and Chong and their relation to Proud

> Tom - sounds like another great topic for the world's largest meteorite

> list.

>

> Mark Grossman

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>

> To: "Ed Deckert" <edeckert at triad.rr.com>; "Anne Black" <Impactika at aol.com>;

> "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>

> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:19 PM

> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ed, Dean, Anne & Proud Tom Call !

>

>

>   

>> Dear Dean & Ed,

>>         Proud Tom is NOT on the meteorite list. He did

>> Not post to the meteorite list (at least not in a very

>> Long time).

>>         I offered to send anyone who WANTED a PDF

>> Of his humor to contact me OFF LIST. Indeed, I stated

>> That it may not be everyone's cup of tea - and if it isn't,

>> Then don't get the PDF.

>>         It is great that 3 or 4 of you have had the time and energy

>> To post your opinion (which has now given Proud Tom

>> FAR more list time than my little post) but that in no way

>> Validates your position that implies somehow the rest of

>> Us should not enjoy a good laugh at ourselves. (In fact,

>> A good deal of the roasting is of the Hupes (Adam asked

>> For a copy) and me (I laughed out loud in several places).

>>         This is like stating I shouldn't laugh at Cheech & Chong

>> Because they trivialize and even promote the evils of marijuana!

>>         Somehow several dozens of people have written me OFF

>> LIST (which Is fine) touting "long live Proud Tom" or the like

>> and stating that if people can't laugh at themselves, something

>> is out of line.

>>         In any event, I fully support all 4 of you NOT to get

>> The PDF and NOT to read the PDF. However, if I and

>> Many dozens of others do choose to do so, frankly,

>> I don't see how it is any of your business at all.

>>           Y'all can watch the 3 stooges all you want and

>> I promise not to say a thing about it - I just won't watch

>> Them myself.

>>         Best wishes, Michael

>> PS: Mark Grossman, Tom's remarks WERE circulated "off list" -

>> in addition if you haven't read Proud Tom, how could you

>> Possibly form an opinion as to whether or not he engages

>> in personal "attacks" and "offensive remarks?" While I am

>> Personally offended by the Three Stooges, does that make

>> Them "offensive?"

>>

>>

>>     

>>> From: Ed Deckert <edeckert at triad.rr.com>

>>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:37:10 -0400

>>> To: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>, Anne Black <Impactika at aol.com>,

>>>       

> Meteorite

>   

>>> List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>

>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Anne Black & Proud Tom Call !

>>>

>>> I think that Anne has a perfectly valid point.  "Proud Tom" really does

>>>       

> not

>   

>>> have a place on the met list.  At the very least, it violates one of the

>>> list rules - "Be courteous and professional at all times."  The Proud

>>>       

> Tom

>   

>>> "Roasting Humor" crosses that line.

>>>

>>> At the same time, it does not make us look good.  Here we are worrying

>>>       

> about

>   

>>> the image of meteorite dealers because of fraudulent auctions of

>>> meteorwrongs on ebay - but not worrying about the image we may project

>>>       

> here

>   

>>> on this list.

>>>

>>> So, the Roasting Humor of Proud Tom can certainly have its place, but in

>>>       

> a

>   

>>> better place, off-list.

>>>

>>> Best Regards,

>>>

>>> Ed

>>>

>>> PS - I am a Three Stooges Fan, but I respect your opinon of them.

>>>

>>>

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>

>>> To: "Anne Black" <Impactika at aol.com>; "Meteorite List"

>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>

>>> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 5:50 PM

>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Anne Black & Proud Tom Call !

>>>

>>>

>>>       

>>>> Hi Anne,

>>>>        Of  course I will remove you from my friends page if

>>>> That is what you truly wish.

>>>>        You say there is nothing wrong with your sense of humor,

>>>> Yet you do not hesitate to severely criticize the humor of

>>>> Others.

>>>>        I do not care one iota for the Three Stooges. However, I

>>>> Accept that I am in the great minority and do not judge those

>>>> Who enjoy such shenanigans, though it is completely beyond

>>>> My comprehension. They poke one another in the eyes, hit one

>>>> Another with hammers - they are a veritable concoction of hostility,

>>>> Aggression and violence (though I have never said that before, but

>>>> Just to give voice in the same way you do in your reaction to

>>>> the roasting humor of Proud Tom)

>>>>        Do be aware that Proud Tom is also a part

>>>> Of  The List and even the IMCA. Will you withdraw from

>>>> Them as well? Many of your friends enjoy Proud Tom. Will

>>>> You "disown" them, as well? Do you want to be off their

>>>> List of friends?

>>>>        Throughout my life, whenever someone demanded that

>>>> I choose between them and another friend, there is never a

>>>> Question in my mind - they, themselves are choosing not to

>>>> Be my friend. I always feel an attempt at blackmail is being

>>>> Foisted upon me. So, tell me Anne, since the list consensus runs

>>>> AT LEAST 10 to one in terms of enjoying Proud Tom, are you

>>>> Going to disown all those friends? Or, are you saving that just

>>>> For me? If so, why?

>>>>        Does your lack of appreciation dictate no one else can

>>>> Enjoy the humor that does not strike your funny bone?

>>>>        Best wishes, Michael

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>         

>>>>> From: Anne Black <Impactika at aol.com>

>>>>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:19:40 EDT

>>>>> To: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>, Meteorite List

>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>

>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom Call !

>>>>>

>>>>> Michael,

>>>>>

>>>>> There is nothing wrong with my sense of humor, believe me, or ask my

>>>>> friends.

>>>>> But this is not humor, this is a thinly veiled excuse to insult people

>>>>> behind

>>>>> their backs, and it reflects poorly on the whole Meteorite Community.

>>>>>

>>>>> Please take it off-List.

>>>>> And please remove my picture from your Friends page. I will not be

>>>>> associated

>>>>> with this kind of buffoonery.

>>>>>

>>>>> Anne M. Black

>>>>> http://www.impactika.com/

>>>>> IMPACTIKA at aol.com

>>>>> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.

>>>>> http://www.imca.cc/

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> In a message dated 3/29/2009 2:30:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

>>>>> mlblood at cox.net writes:

>>>>> The Proud Tom PDFs I sent around have

>>>>> Garnished a gaggle of fans laughing their

>>>>> A** off. There is a plea for Proud Tom to

>>>>> Make yet another post - it seems his web

>>>>> Site was the most popular and keeps him

>>>>> Out of the sites of those who have a problem

>>>>> With every one being roasted!

>>>>> Howsabout it, Big Guy? Won't you

>>>>> PLEASE respond to your countless fans and

>>>>> Give us some more Proud Tom buffoonery!

>>>>> Best wishes, Michael

>>>>> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for

>>>>> $10 or

>>>>> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

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