From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 03:55:59 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (MEM)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:55:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
In-Reply-To: <6273C3040E9D426794EA4A706310423A@fisso>
Message-ID: <898722.54778.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I've my own collection of ideas as to how chondrules developed but will save them for later.  As to CAIs and their presence in carbonaceous meteorites.  A list member and I had this discussion some time ago and the answer may lie in a process in the "T-Tauri" stage of stellar evolution.

When the T-Tauri protostar goes thermonuclear it loses a mass through a high solar wind output which sweeps a lot of the remaining unaccreted debris from the inner solar system--we believe.  This is the foundation for our ability to develop isotopic curves of regions based on distance from the sun and explains the rocky inner planets and the gas giants much further out in the solar system.  This probably is a player in chondrule formation. CAIs are dated to about 2 million years older.

Prior to the hydrogen fuel-burning stage, there was an ongoing fission process which is the likely source for the short-lived isotopes such as 26Al. While I can't lay my hands on the link, I recall some diagrams of a particular phase of T-Tauri accretion where the dynamics were such that even though the solar disk was being spun into a flat, thin, rotating disk, the poles of the proto-sun were ejecting major mega streams of lighter, probably charged particles-- mainly such as calcium, aluminum, carbon, helium, etc. The particle streams resembled fountains spraying very high speed particles many many AUs up and out of the plane of the ecliptic into two giant hemispheres.

If true, this tends to explain the Ort cloud formation and how CAIs were available for inclusion in cometary-like carbonaceous meteorites along with younger chondrules. It explains how CAIs predate the sun's fusion stage and how they were able to skip the mega solar winds generated when the sun kicked over to fusion from fission. Comets forming inside the Ort Cloud but outside the ecliptical plane my be devoid of chondrules (possible example: Tagish Lake)

1) supernova
A super nova is theorized to be the catalyst for compressing enough dust close enough for gravity to take over and condense the early initial solar disk getting things spinning into a disk.
> 2) few time later CAI formation
Yes but a long time later, possibly explained under the T-Tauri pre-fusion stage during the collapse of the solar disk. 
3) at the same time collapse of nebula
Yes but probably well after the accretion stage was under way.
4) 2My later condrule formation.
Yes again
> 5) at the same time proto-sun and proto-planetary formation
Probably in connection with the fusion to fusion change-over and during the interval before mega-solar wind swept out the lighter elements from the inner solar system and stopped chondrule formation.
> 6) ...
There were probably at least 6 additional Mars sized planets else planetary centers of accretion and some theorize 30 or more. One was accounted for by our moons formation, another knocked Uranus on its side one or more contributed to the asteroid belt. Someplace in the sequence comets formed outside the mainstream goings on in the solar disk/system it self.

Elton

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Francesco Moser <cojack at tiscali.it> wrote:

> From: Francesco Moser <cojack at tiscali.it>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
> To: "ZZ ML Meteorite-List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 5:37 PM
> Hello!
> I take a look on wikipedia about CAI and chondrules, but I
> have still some doubt.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium-aluminium-rich_inclusion
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chondrule
> 
> What prompted the formation of CAI? and what's caused the
> formation of chondurles???
> The supernova gave the energy for the formation of CAI and
> for the collapse of the solar nebula?
> Some other energy source, still unknow, 2 million years
> later molten the material which formed the chondrules? But
> wich type of energy source?
> 
> Is correct this time line?
> 
> 1) supernova
> 2) few time later CAI formation
> 3) at the same time collapse of nebula
> 4) 2My later condrule formation
> 5) at the same time proto-sun and proto-planetary
> formation
> 6) ...
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> 
> Best regards!
>
> Francesco Moser
> IMCA #1510 


From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 07:49:32 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (MEM)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 04:49:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] COINCIDENCE?
In-Reply-To: <8DBD10A431CE483ABC22B8FD75C3D4A1@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <604785.33078.qm@web55203.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Tisk tisk  every conspiracy follower knows this was the same fireball only the first appearance was timewarped forward by the HAARP super weapon in preparation for its Dec 21st 2012 retaliation for the 2012 elections or was it the London Olympics?  I forget now but I'll recheck the calendar when I get back to the future last week.

Hey just my take on the 2012 net hyper-buzz. I am trying to feed the monkeys by getting the one millionth theory on how the world will end in 2012. 

Back to the real world, I had a similar experience once seeing identical fireballs a week apart-- same green bow wave, same direction of flight, same entry angle, and same orange fireball--it wasn't even St Partick's Day! I should think it a very rare coincidence.  

Living just up range from a large military gunnery range, I a first suspected a copper clad projectile from a secret rail gun test knowing meteorites we not made of copper but not knowing then that oxygen gives off green as it goes plasma.  I have since become reprogramed  er convinced this was but a once in a life time "astro-twin" fireball entry a week apart...that or overheating in my hot tub.

Anyone else have one of those improbable moments to share?

Elton
Next week: watching daytime meteorites fall.


From freequarks at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:49:04 2009
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:49:04 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
In-Reply-To: <898722.54778.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <6273C3040E9D426794EA4A706310423A@fisso>
	<898722.54778.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <822da19a0910010649j6ba9243eu26974abb5ed207ed@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I think Jeff's answer was definitive in a boomerang way.

But wait there's more:

http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~grossman/MSD05.pdf

I studied this and other articles looking for the same answers as
those in the initial post.

I'm still looking.

The best I can do in my talks is to quote Don Brownlee when he penned
the following in a 2007 Stardust news update:

"One of the most remarkable particles found in the Stardust collection
is a particle named after the Inca Sun God Inti. Inti is collection of
rock fragments that are all related in mineralogical, isotopic and
chemical composition to rare components in meteorites called "Calcium
Aluminum Inclusions" or CAI's for short. CAI's are the oldest
materials that formed in the solar system and they contain a
remarkable set of minerals that form at extremely high temperature. In
addition to these same minerals, Inti also has tiny inclusions that
may have been the first generation of solids to condense from hot gas
in the early solar system. These include compounds of titanium,
vanadium and nitrogen (TiN and VN) as well as tiny nuggets of
platinum, osmium, ruthenium, tungsten and molybdenum. In certain
chemical environments and at high enough temperature in the early
solar system these exotic materials were the only solid materials that
could survive without being vaporized."

http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news113.html

Finally, I have some pics of a rather large CAI in my Accretion Desk article at:

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2008/march/Accretion_Desk.htm

Best,

Martin





On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:55 AM, MEM <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've my own collection of ideas as to how chondrules developed but will save them for later. ?As to CAIs and their presence in carbonaceous meteorites. ?A list member and I had this discussion some time ago and the answer may lie in a process in the "T-Tauri" stage of stellar evolution.
>
> When the T-Tauri protostar goes thermonuclear it loses a mass through a high solar wind output which sweeps a lot of the remaining unaccreted debris from the inner solar system--we believe. ?This is the foundation for our ability to develop isotopic curves of regions based on distance from the sun and explains the rocky inner planets and the gas giants much further out in the solar system. ?This probably is a player in chondrule formation. CAIs are dated to about 2 million years older.
>
> Prior to the hydrogen fuel-burning stage, there was an ongoing fission process which is the likely source for the short-lived isotopes such as 26Al. While I can't lay my hands on the link, I recall some diagrams of a particular phase of T-Tauri accretion where the dynamics were such that even though the solar disk was being spun into a flat, thin, rotating disk, the poles of the proto-sun were ejecting major mega streams of lighter, probably charged particles-- mainly such as calcium, aluminum, carbon, helium, etc. The particle streams resembled fountains spraying very high speed particles many many AUs up and out of the plane of the ecliptic into two giant hemispheres.
>
> If true, this tends to explain the Ort cloud formation and how CAIs were available for inclusion in cometary-like carbonaceous meteorites along with younger chondrules. It explains how CAIs predate the sun's fusion stage and how they were able to skip the mega solar winds generated when the sun kicked over to fusion from fission. Comets forming inside the Ort Cloud but outside the ecliptical plane my be devoid of chondrules (possible example: Tagish Lake)
>
> 1) supernova
> A super nova is theorized to be the catalyst for compressing enough dust close enough for gravity to take over and condense the early initial solar disk getting things spinning into a disk.
>> 2) few time later CAI formation
> Yes but a long time later, possibly explained under the T-Tauri pre-fusion stage during the collapse of the solar disk.
> 3) at the same time collapse of nebula
> Yes but probably well after the accretion stage was under way.
> 4) 2My later condrule formation.
> Yes again
>> 5) at the same time proto-sun and proto-planetary formation
> Probably in connection with the fusion to fusion change-over and during the interval before mega-solar wind swept out the lighter elements from the inner solar system and stopped chondrule formation.
>> 6) ...
> There were probably at least 6 additional Mars sized planets else planetary centers of accretion and some theorize 30 or more. One was accounted for by our moons formation, another knocked Uranus on its side one or more contributed to the asteroid belt. Someplace in the sequence comets formed outside the mainstream goings on in the solar disk/system it self.
>
> Elton
>
> --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Francesco Moser <cojack at tiscali.it> wrote:
>
>> From: Francesco Moser <cojack at tiscali.it>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>> To: "ZZ ML Meteorite-List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 5:37 PM
>> Hello!
>> I take a look on wikipedia about CAI and chondrules, but I
>> have still some doubt.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium-aluminium-rich_inclusion
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chondrule
>>
>> What prompted the formation of CAI? and what's caused the
>> formation of chondurles???
>> The supernova gave the energy for the formation of CAI and
>> for the collapse of the solar nebula?
>> Some other energy source, still unknow, 2 million years
>> later molten the material which formed the chondrules? But
>> wich type of energy source?
>>
>> Is correct this time line?
>>
>> 1) supernova
>> 2) few time later CAI formation
>> 3) at the same time collapse of nebula
>> 4) 2My later condrule formation
>> 5) at the same time proto-sun and proto-planetary
>> formation
>> 6) ...
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>> Best regards!
>>
>> Francesco Moser
>> IMCA #1510
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Oct  1 11:33:43 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:33:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 73rd Annual Meeting of the Meteoritical Society
Message-ID: <200910011533.n91FXhiM021153@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.metsoc2010.org/

73rd Annual Meeting of the Meteoritical Society
July 26-30, 2010
New York, New York

You are cordially invited to attend the 73rd Annual Meeting of the
Meteoritical Society <http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/>
to be held July 26-30, 2010, in the City of New York, New York, USA. 

Host and Sponsor:
The American Museum of Natural History (AMNH) <http://www.amnh.org/>
We look forward to listing other sponsors here!

The First Announcement will be online in September 2009.
A pre-conference workshop is planned (July 24-25, 2010).

The scientific program will be held at the Park Central Hotel
<http://www.parkcentralny.com/> in upper midtown Manhattan,
a 20 minute walk from the AMNH, across 7th Avenue from Carnegie Hall,
steps from Columbus Circle, and two blocks south of Central Park.



From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 11:57:14 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:57:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wikipedia, CAI's and Chondrules
Message-ID: <220268.31268.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

A wonderful project for those so inclined. A good approach may be to set out the varying theories.

E.P. 


      


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  1 14:39:19 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:39:19 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
References: <COL108-W455708ED714B53DEBD10F49BD40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0C0B149081154E8A9FFE1A9566EE2877@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, Carl, Francesco, Jeff, List,

Wrong, Carl. A good solid "We don't know
crap about this yet; it's all up in the air"
is the best kind of definitive answer.

There are probably a half-dozen scenarios
for how this data came about and there's few
reasons to choose any one over the others.

I was glad to hear Jeff confirm it.


Sterling K. Webb
-----------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl 's" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules



Ahhh! Good questions, Francesco. I had been wondering about CAIs and 
chondrules myself. None of the books I've read explains,how?

Thanks also for your answer, Jeff. While not definitive, it seems to be 
the only answer at this time. Thank you.

Carl


Jeff Grossman wrote:
>...

Definitive answers to what caused the formation of CAIs and chondrules
are not known.

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From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Thu Oct  1 14:52:08 2009
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:52:08 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
In-Reply-To: <0C0B149081154E8A9FFE1A9566EE2877@ATARIENGINE2>
References: <COL108-W455708ED714B53DEBD10F49BD40@phx.gbl>
	<0C0B149081154E8A9FFE1A9566EE2877@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <OF3767CFCD.B9C3460C-ON85257642.0067AAA1@usgs.gov>

I didn't say "we don't know cr*p"... I said there 
was not a definitive answer.  We know a lot about 
the timing, materials, and physical conditions 
needed to make chondrules and CAIs, and people 
have used these to make models for their 
formation.  But many of these constraints are 
under scrutiny right now, and some pretty basic 
things are still controversial.  What this means 
is... ok, we don't know cr*p.  But progress is being made.

Jeff


At 02:39 PM 10/1/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
>Hi, Carl, Francesco, Jeff, List,
>
>Wrong, Carl. A good solid "We don't know
>crap about this yet; it's all up in the air"
>is the best kind of definitive answer.
>
>There are probably a half-dozen scenarios
>for how this data came about and there's few
>reasons to choose any one over the others.
>
>I was glad to hear Jeff confirm it.
>
>
>Sterling K. Webb
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl 's" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
>To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>
>
>
>Ahhh! Good questions, Francesco. I had been 
>wondering about CAIs and chondrules myself. None 
>of the books I've read explains,how?
>
>Thanks also for your answer, Jeff. While not 
>definitive, it seems to be the only answer at this time. Thank you.
>
>Carl
>
>
>Jeff Grossman wrote:
>>...
>
>Definitive answers to what caused the formation of CAIs and chondrules
>are not known.
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Bing?  brings you maps, menus, and reviews 
>organized in one place.   Try it now.
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US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
954 National Center
Reston, VA 20192, USA




From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  1 15:21:46 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:21:46 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
References: <COL108-W455708ED714B53DEBD10F49BD40@phx.gbl><0C0B149081154E8A9FFE1A9566EE2877@ATARIENGINE2>
	<OF3767CFCD.B9C3460C-ON85257642.0067AAA1@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <7C58080F131B494096605F878862B991@ATARIENGINE2>

All I mean bu "we don't know, er, stuff..."
was that there is no definitive answer to
the puzzle. Proof of double supernovae,
T Tauri firestorms, system-wide lightning
bolts, or demons that like torment human
geophysicists is still unavailable.

Sterling K. Webb
-----------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules


I didn't say "we don't know cr*p"... I said there
was not a definitive answer.  We know a lot about
the timing, materials, and physical conditions
needed to make chondrules and CAIs, and people
have used these to make models for their
formation.  But many of these constraints are
under scrutiny right now, and some pretty basic
things are still controversial.  What this means
is... ok, we don't know cr*p.  But progress is being made.

Jeff


At 02:39 PM 10/1/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
>Hi, Carl, Francesco, Jeff, List,
>
>Wrong, Carl. A good solid "We don't know
>crap about this yet; it's all up in the air"
>is the best kind of definitive answer.
>
>There are probably a half-dozen scenarios
>for how this data came about and there's few
>reasons to choose any one over the others.
>
>I was glad to hear Jeff confirm it.
>
>
>Sterling K. Webb
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl 's" 
><carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
>To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>
>
>
>Ahhh! Good questions, Francesco. I had been wondering about CAIs and 
>chondrules myself. None of the books I've read explains,how?
>
>Thanks also for your answer, Jeff. While not definitive, it seems to be 
>the only answer at this time. Thank you.
>
>Carl
>
>
>Jeff Grossman wrote:
>>...
>
>Definitive answers to what caused the formation of CAIs and chondrules
>are not known.
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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>Try it now.
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Thu Oct  1 15:14:28 2009
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 01 Oct 2009 19:14:28 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000008700004089@paulinet.de>

Hello All,

See also Hutchison for a comprehensive overview of "Theories of chondrule origins"
(Planetary theories vs. Nebular theories) and "Possible CAI-forming mechanisms"!

HUTCHISON R. (2004) Meteorites: A Petrologic, Chemical, and
Isotopic Synthesis (Cambridge Planetary Science Series, pp. 219-241).


Best wishes,

Bernd



From gsac at gmx.net  Thu Oct  1 15:57:35 2009
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:57:35 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
In-Reply-To: <OF3767CFCD.B9C3460C-ON85257642.0067AAA1@usgs.gov>
References: <COL108-W455708ED714B53DEBD10F49BD40@phx.gbl>
	<0C0B149081154E8A9FFE1A9566EE2877@ATARIENGINE2>
	<OF3767CFCD.B9C3460C-ON85257642.0067AAA1@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <20091001195735.64520@gmx.net>

>From my layman?s perspective and point of view: isn?t it interesting to note that there is still **so much** controversy over chondrule formation, those little round objects which are so evident and very clearly visible in many of the meteorites in our collections, while at the very same time all the basic physical conditions and evolutionary laws even on small timescales seem to be quite well understood? But then again all the many empirical facts obviously still have to come under serious scrutiny to finally have, at best, sort of a "generally accepted truth" emerge: a mainstream theory of chondrule formation that will be agreed upon by most scientists - one of these days.

Fascinating, especially in this era where many "basic" things seem to be understood! I?m excited to learn more about this, as time goes by... :-)

Alex
Berlin/Germany


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:52:08 -0400
> Von: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules

> I didn't say "we don't know cr*p"... I said there 
> was not a definitive answer.  We know a lot about 
> the timing, materials, and physical conditions 
> needed to make chondrules and CAIs, and people 
> have used these to make models for their 
> formation.  But many of these constraints are 
> under scrutiny right now, and some pretty basic 
> things are still controversial.  What this means 
> is... ok, we don't know cr*p.  But progress is being made.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> At 02:39 PM 10/1/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> >Hi, Carl, Francesco, Jeff, List,
> >
> >Wrong, Carl. A good solid "We don't know
> >crap about this yet; it's all up in the air"
> >is the best kind of definitive answer.
> >
> >There are probably a half-dozen scenarios
> >for how this data came about and there's few
> >reasons to choose any one over the others.
> >
> >I was glad to hear Jeff confirm it.
> >
> >
> >Sterling K. Webb
> >-----------------------------------------------------------
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl 's" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:49 PM
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
> >
> >
> >
> >Ahhh! Good questions, Francesco. I had been 
> >wondering about CAIs and chondrules myself. None 
> >of the books I've read explains,how?
> >
> >Thanks also for your answer, Jeff. While not 
> >definitive, it seems to be the only answer at this time. Thank you.
> >
> >Carl
> >
> >
> >Jeff Grossman wrote:
> >>...
> >
> >Definitive answers to what caused the formation of CAIs and chondrules
> >are not known.
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Bing?  brings you maps, menus, and reviews 
> >organized in one place.   Try it now.
> >http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1
> >______________________________________________
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> 
> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
> US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
> 954 National Center
> Reston, VA 20192, USA
> 
> 
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Oct  1 16:07:07 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:07:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] New MESSENGER Mercury Images
Message-ID: <200910012007.n91K78bt000334@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://messenger.jhuapl.edu

MESSENGER Mission News
October 1, 2009

NEW MESSENGER MERCURY IMAGES

A Bright Spot in the Latest Imaging

Humans have now had three views of the bright area shown near the top center of this 
image
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=336>. 
The first view was as a mere tiny bright spot seen in telescopic images 
of Mercury obtained from Earth by astronomer Ronald Dantowitz. The second view
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?page=3&gallery_id=2&image_id=236> 
was obtained by the MESSENGER Narrow Angle Camera during the spacecraft's 
second Mercury flyby on October 6, 2008. At that time, the bright feature 
was just on the planet's limb (edge) as seen from MESSENGER. Now MESSENGER 
has provided a new, even better view. The geometry of MESSENGER's third 
Mercury flyby allows us to see the feature and its surroundings in greater 
detail, including the smooth plains in the foreground and the rim of a 
newly discovered impact basin
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=332> 
at lower left. Surprisingly, at the center of the bright halo is an irregular 
depression, which may have formed through volcanic processes. Color images 
from MESSENGER's Wide Angle Camera reveal that the irregular depression 
and bright halo have distinctive color. This area will be of particular 
interest for further observation during MESSENGER's orbital operations 
starting in 2011.

Evening Shadows

These images
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=337> 
were taken on approach to Mercury during the spacecraft's second (left) 
and third (right) flybys. The image from the second flyby was featured 
in an earlier release
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?page=1&gallery_id=2&image_id=287>. 
The image on the right was taken about 75 minutes before MESSENGER's closest 
approach. The two images cover very nearly the same terrain, but for the 
right image the Sun?s illumination is more nearly grazing (local time 
is almost sunset) and the viewing perspective of the spacecraft is more 
nearly vertical. The large impact crater bisected with a prominent scarp 
or cliff is the same feature in both images. Because of Mercury?s rotation 
between the two encounters, the position of the crater in the right image 
is nearly at the terminator (the division between the dayside and night 
side of the planet), and thus the shadows are longer. The near-grazing 
illumination emphasizes the topography of the crater floor, including 
the relief of the wrinkle ridges on either side of the large scarp. To 
the west of the crater, the shadows and viewing angle show that the terrain 
is far more rugged than it appeared from the second flyby.

Seeing Double?

This image
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=338> 
shows a double-ring impact basin, with another large impact crater on 
its south-southwestern side. Smaller, more recent impacts formed comparatively 
fresh craters across the entire surface visible in this image. The floor 
within the inner or peak ring appears to be smoother than the floor between 
the peak ring and the outer rim, possibly the result of lava flows that 
partially flooded the basin some time after impact. Double-ring basins 
are formed when a large meteoroid strikes the surface of a rocky planet.

Crater Ejecta and Chains of Secondary Impacts

This newly observed flat-floored crater
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=339> 
was viewed at an oblique angle as MESSENGER approached Mercury for its 
third flyby, about two hours from closest approach. This crater is younger 
than nearby craters of similar size, indicated by the distinctive halo 
of small secondary craters that radiate outward from the central structure. 
Many of these secondaries are aligned in chain-like formations and some 
show characteristic ?herringbone? features pointing back to the crater 
of origin. Crater chains are just one of many ejecta types observed on 
Mercury. Other ejecta features include distinct continuous ejecta
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?image_id=311> 
and crater rays
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?image_id=280>, 
which are composed of both ejecta and secondaries. Another ejecta feature 
of note in this mosaic of two images is a zone of lighter terrain extending 
a bit west of north from the crater itself, possibly providing information 
about the direction of impact. This unnamed crater is partially superposed 
on an older and smaller crater to the south.

Additional information and features from this encounter will be available 
online at http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/mer_flyby3.html. 
Be sure to check back frequently to see the latest released images and 
science results!

________________________________

Highlights from Three Mercury Flybys

Tonight, three MESSENGER team members - Principal Investigator 
Sean Solomon, of the Carnegie Institution of Washington, Project Manager 
Peter Bedini, of APL, and Co-Investigator Louise Prockter, of APL - will 
talk about what we've learned about Mercury from MESSENGER's encounters 
with the planet, and release new pictures from the spacecraft's third 
flyby of Mercury. The event, to be held at the Kossiakoff Center on the 
campus of the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, 
Md., will begin at 5 p.m.
________________________________

MESSENGER (MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry, and Ranging) 
is a NASA-sponsored scientific investigation of the planet Mercury and 
the first space mission designed to orbit the planet closest to the Sun. 
The MESSENGER spacecraft launched on August 3, 2004, and after flybys of 
Earth, Venus, and Mercury will start a yearlong study of its target 
planet in March 2011. Dr. Sean C. Solomon, of the Carnegie Institution 
of Washington, leads the mission as Principal Investigator. The Johns 
Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory built and operates the 
MESSENGER spacecraft and manages this Discovery-class mission for NASA.

________________________________








From gsac at gmx.net  Thu Oct  1 16:16:49 2009
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:16:49 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Re:  CAI and chondrules
Message-ID: <20091001201649.269950@gmx.net>

Sorry, I should have added: the observable facts don?t seem to be the problem here, but all the *CONSTRAINTS* on them involved, right Jeff?

Alex 

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:57:35 +0200
Von: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>
An: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules

>From my layman?s perspective and point of view: isn?t it interesting to note that there is still **so much** controversy over chondrule formation, those little round objects which are so evident and very clearly visible in many of the meteorites in our collections, while at the very same time all the basic physical conditions and evolutionary laws even on small timescales seem to be quite well understood? But then again all the many empirical facts obviously still have to come under serious scrutiny to finally have, at best, sort of a "generally accepted truth" emerge: a mainstream theory of chondrule formation that will be agreed upon by most scientists - one of these days.

Fascinating, especially in this era where many "basic" things seem to be understood! I?m excited to learn more about this, as time goes by... :-)

Alex
Berlin/Germany


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:52:08 -0400
> Von: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules

> I didn't say "we don't know cr*p"... I said there 
> was not a definitive answer.  We know a lot about 
> the timing, materials, and physical conditions 
> needed to make chondrules and CAIs, and people 
> have used these to make models for their 
> formation.  But many of these constraints are 
> under scrutiny right now, and some pretty basic 
> things are still controversial.  What this means 
> is... ok, we don't know cr*p.  But progress is being made.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> At 02:39 PM 10/1/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> >Hi, Carl, Francesco, Jeff, List,
> >
> >Wrong, Carl. A good solid "We don't know
> >crap about this yet; it's all up in the air"
> >is the best kind of definitive answer.
> >
> >There are probably a half-dozen scenarios
> >for how this data came about and there's few
> >reasons to choose any one over the others.
> >
> >I was glad to hear Jeff confirm it.
> >
> >
> >Sterling K. Webb
> >-----------------------------------------------------------
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl 's" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:49 PM
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
> >
> >
> >
> >Ahhh! Good questions, Francesco. I had been 
> >wondering about CAIs and chondrules myself. None 
> >of the books I've read explains,how?
> >
> >Thanks also for your answer, Jeff. While not 
> >definitive, it seems to be the only answer at this time. Thank you.
> >
> >Carl
> >
> >
> >Jeff Grossman wrote:
> >>...
> >
> >Definitive answers to what caused the formation of CAIs and chondrules
> >are not known.
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Bing?  brings you maps, menus, and reviews 
> >organized in one place.   Try it now.
> >http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1
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> US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
> 954 National Center
> Reston, VA 20192, USA
> 
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  1 16:31:02 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:31:02 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] It's Raining Rocks!
Message-ID: <02F6EFF98A904F519E75DD72EBE6A459@ATARIENGINE2>

No, not meteorites like Holbrook. And not on Earth.
On another planet altogether. The only flaw in their
reasoning (the computer model) is the assumption
of locked rotation with the star. As a body spirals in 
toward a much more massive body, it passes into
the period of 3:2 resonant locked rotation before
it gets down to the 1:1 resonant lock. The 3:2 lock
"catches it" and it never gets to 1:1.

The CoRoT-7b "year" is only 20 hours 24 min. long.
We used to assume Mercury always showed one face 
to the Sun, but like so many "obvious" things, it ain't 
necessarily so. If CoRoT-7b is in a 3:2 resonance like 
Mercury, its "day" would be 13 hours 36 min. long, 
which would keep the surface uniformly toasty, but
not as toasty as their model suggests.

It might be only 1500C. to 1700C. degrees on CoRoT-7b 
instead of the 2300 C their model suggests. Or, maybe it 
only rains rocks on hot summer afternoons...

Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/091001-rock-rain.html

On Alien World, It Rains Rocks 
By Andrea Thompson

On Earth, strange things, including frogs and fish, 
sometimes fall from the sky, but on a distant extrasolar 
planet, the weather could be even weirder: When a 
front moves in, small rocks rain down on the surface, 
a new study suggests.

The exoplanet, COROT-7b, was discovered in February 
by the COROT space telescope launched by the French 
and European space agencies. Last month is became 
the first planet outside our solar system to be confirmed 
as a rocky body - most other known exoplanets are 
gas giants.

The planet is nearly twice the size of Earth and about 
five times the mass of our world. Calculations have indicated 
it has a density about that of Earth's, which means it is 
likely made up of silicate rocks, just as Earth's crust is.

The planet is likely much less hospitable to life though, 
as it is only about 1.6 million miles (2.6 million km) away 
from its parent star - 23 times closer than Mercury sits 
to the sun.

Because the planet is so close to the star, it is 
gravitationally locked to it in the same way the Moon 
is locked to Earth. One side of the planet always faces 
its star, just as one side of the Moon always faces Earth.

This star-facing side has a temperature of about 4,220 
degrees Fahrenheit (2,326 degrees Celsius) - hot 
enough to vaporize rock.

So unlike the much cooler Earth, COROT-7b has no 
volatile gases (carbon dioxide, water vapor, nitrogen) 
in its atmosphere. Instead it's atmosphere consists 
of what might be called vaporized rock.

"The only atmosphere this object has is produced 
from vapor arising from hot molten silicates in a lava 
lake or lava ocean," said Bruce Fegley Jr., of Washington 
University in St. Louis.

To find out what COROT-7b's atmosphere might be 
like, Fegley and his colleagues modeled it. They found 
that COROT-7b's atmosphere is made up of the 
ingredients of rocks and when "a front moves in," 
pebbles condense out of the air and rain into lakes 
of molten lava below.

"Sodium, potassium, silicon monoxide and then 
oxygen - either atomic or molecular oxygen - 
make up most of the atmosphere," Fegley said. But 
there are also smaller amounts of the other elements 
found in silicate rock, such as magnesium, aluminum, 
calcium and iron.

The rock rains form similarly to Earth's watery weather: 
"As you go higher the atmosphere gets cooler and 
eventually you get saturated with different types of 
'rock' the way you get saturated with water in the 
atmosphere of Earth," Fegley explained. "But instead 
of a water cloud forming and then raining water droplets, 
you get a 'rock cloud' forming and it starts raining out 
little pebbles of different types of rock."

The exoplanet's atmosphere condenses out minerals 
such as enstatite, corundum, spinel, and wollastonite.

Elemental sodium and potassium, which have very low 
boiling points in comparison with rocks, do not rain out 
but would instead stay in the atmosphere, where they 
would form high gas clouds buffeted by the stellar wind 
from COROT-7.

These large clouds may be detectable by Earth-based 
telescopes. The sodium, for example, should glow in 
the orange part of the spectrum, like a giant but very 
faint sodium vapor streetlamp.

Observers have recently spotted sodium in the 
atmospheres of two other exoplanets.


From aerubin at ucla.edu  Thu Oct  1 16:50:25 2009
From: aerubin at ucla.edu (Alan Rubin)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:50:25 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
References: <COL108-W455708ED714B53DEBD10F49BD40@phx.gbl><0C0B149081154E8A9FFE1A9566EE2877@ATARIENGINE2><OF3767CFCD.B9C3460C-ON85257642.0067AAA1@usgs.gov>
	<20091001195735.64520@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <1FCA49452FDF4D8F9414D79B88DD17B8@SINOITE>

        The origin of chondrules is one of the outstanding problems facing 
meteorite researchers.  There is significant disagreement even among 
colleagues who routinely work together on this problem.  But be aware, 
nearly everything I say below will be disputed by some folks in the field, 
each highlighting a separate area of contention.
        I think that many researchers would agree that most presently 
existing chondrules formed in the solar nebula by melting pre-existing solid 
objects (let's call them dustballs) that contained chunks of pre-existing 
chondrules and some nebular dust.  Many chondrules may have experienced more 
than one melting event.  Chondrules with relict grains melted more than 
once; enveloping compound chondrules contain components that experienced 
different melting events; chondrules with igneous rims melted more than 
once.  Enveloping compound chondrules with igneous rims (rather common in CR 
chondrites) were melted at least three times.  During melting it is likely 
that some volatiles escaped from chondrules and condensed onto adjacent 
dust.  Some metal and some sulfide also likely escaped from many chondrules 
during melting.  It is also likely that barred olivine and cryptocrystalline 
chondrules were essentially completely melted during their final melting 
event, but that porphyritic chondrules were only incompletely melted. 
Melting episodes were either of short duration or occurred in the presence 
of sufficient amounts of gas to avoid fractionation of K isotopes.  Melting 
experiments that produce artificial chondrules have provided useful 
constraints on chondrule cooling times, which are probably on the order of a 
few minutes.
        Chondrules in different chondrite groups vary in size, O-isotopic 
composition, proportion of different textural types, proportions of 
chondrules sporting igneous rims, and the proportion of compound chondrules. 
These differences have only been described to a limited extent; much more 
work needs to be done.  Different chondrite groups also vary in their CAI 
and amoeboid olivine inclusion (AOI) populations.  It isn't clear what the 
relationship is (if any) between a chondrite group's chondrules and CAIs.
        Some researchers favor the idea that chondrules were formed by 
flash-melting mechanisms such as lightning in the nebula; quite a few favor 
melting of pre-existing dustballs by gas dynamic shock waves.  A vocal 
minority believes that chondrules formed by planetesimal collisions.
        I think that most chondrules formed in the nebula by repeated 
episodes of flash melting but that some chondrules (e.g., most of those in 
CH chondrites and Bencubbin-like (CB) chondrites) may have formed by 
impact-related processes.  It is also possible that rare varieties of 
chondrules in ordinary chondrites (e.g., chromite-bearing chondrules) were 
formed by impact melting.
        Another problem confronting researchers is that chondrules were 
affected by parent-body processes after the chondrules formed and were 
incorporated into asteroids.  Such secondary processes include thermal 
metamorphism, impact heating, brecciation, and aqueous alteration.  And, of 
course, chondrules in meteorite finds may have been affected by terrestrial 
weathering.  We need to look beyond these processes and infer what the 
chondrules were like prior to accretion when they were isolated dustballs in 
the nebula.  This is a difficult task, but, as Jeff Grossman said, progress 
is being made.
Alan Rubin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>
To: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules


> From my layman?s perspective and point of view: isn?t it interesting to 
> note that there is still **so much** controversy over chondrule formation, 
> those little round objects which are so evident and very clearly visible 
> in many of the meteorites in our collections, while at the very same time 
> all the basic physical conditions and evolutionary laws even on small 
> timescales seem to be quite well understood? But then again all the many 
> empirical facts obviously still have to come under serious scrutiny to 
> finally have, at best, sort of a "generally accepted truth" emerge: a 
> mainstream theory of chondrule formation that will be agreed upon by most 
> scientists - one of these days.
>
> Fascinating, especially in this era where many "basic" things seem to be 
> understood! I?m excited to learn more about this, as time goes by... :-)
>
> Alex
> Berlin/Germany
>
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:52:08 -0400
>> Von: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
>> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>
>> I didn't say "we don't know cr*p"... I said there
>> was not a definitive answer.  We know a lot about
>> the timing, materials, and physical conditions
>> needed to make chondrules and CAIs, and people
>> have used these to make models for their
>> formation.  But many of these constraints are
>> under scrutiny right now, and some pretty basic
>> things are still controversial.  What this means
>> is... ok, we don't know cr*p.  But progress is being made.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> At 02:39 PM 10/1/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
>> >Hi, Carl, Francesco, Jeff, List,
>> >
>> >Wrong, Carl. A good solid "We don't know
>> >crap about this yet; it's all up in the air"
>> >is the best kind of definitive answer.
>> >
>> >There are probably a half-dozen scenarios
>> >for how this data came about and there's few
>> >reasons to choose any one over the others.
>> >
>> >I was glad to hear Jeff confirm it.
>> >
>> >
>> >Sterling K. Webb
>> >-----------------------------------------------------------
>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl 's" 
>> ><carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
>> >To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:49 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Ahhh! Good questions, Francesco. I had been
>> >wondering about CAIs and chondrules myself. None
>> >of the books I've read explains,how?
>> >
>> >Thanks also for your answer, Jeff. While not
>> >definitive, it seems to be the only answer at this time. Thank you.
>> >
>> >Carl
>> >
>> >
>> >Jeff Grossman wrote:
>> >>...
>> >
>> >Definitive answers to what caused the formation of CAIs and chondrules
>> >are not known.
>> >
>> >_________________________________________________________________
>> >Bing?  brings you maps, menus, and reviews
>> >organized in one place.   Try it now.
>> >http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1
>> >______________________________________________
>> >http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> >Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
>> US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
>> 954 National Center
>> Reston, VA 20192, USA
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Oct  1 17:39:09 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:39:09 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Magazine article (in French)
In-Reply-To: <200910011533.n91FXhiM021153@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200910011533.n91FXhiM021153@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <i88ac55q1o03e6v5ua99a63v9o10vebbp9@4ax.com>

Found this.  I played with the possibility of OCRing the text, plugging that
back in Google translations, and putting that back in the document, but the
OCRing wasn't turning out nearly clean enough to be worth the trouble.  So those
of you that can read it can read it, the rest can look at the purty pichers.

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 17:30:06 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:30:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Meteorites - Free Eucrite with any purchase.
Message-ID: <892175.74405.qm@web46409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

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From gsac at gmx.net  Thu Oct  1 17:59:41 2009
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:59:41 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
In-Reply-To: <1FCA49452FDF4D8F9414D79B88DD17B8@SINOITE>
References: <COL108-W455708ED714B53DEBD10F49BD40@phx.gbl><0C0B149081154E8A9FFE1A9566EE2877@ATARIENGINE2><OF3767CFCD.B9C3460C-ON85257642.0067AAA1@usgs.gov>
	<20091001195735.64520@gmx.net>
	<1FCA49452FDF4D8F9414D79B88DD17B8@SINOITE>
Message-ID: <20091001215941.37290@gmx.net>

Thank you, professional meteoriticists Alan and Jeff, for actively taking part in this interesting discussion.

With these things, as so often in the natural sciences [..see e. g. all the work in particle physics, or the efforts for a grand unification with gravity], one may overall be inclined to strive for "a theory of simplicity and sheer beauty". A simple formula so to say, sort of wishful thinking, but may be nature just does not work this way, here especially with chondrule formation, and things really happen(ed) in a much more differentiated way locally here and there in the early solar system, so that it just could not be laid out or compressed in a simple formula or theory.

If so, there is absolutely nothing strange with big controversies on this subject either now nor in the future years to come, as things finally and definitely may be accepted to be not fitting in just a simple scheme, and may be just THAT different(iated) as all those present theories on the chondrule formation mechanism actually are.

Waiting for things to evolve in this field...

Alex
Berlin/Germany

 
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:50:25 -0700
> Von: "Alan Rubin" <aerubin at ucla.edu>
> An: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>, "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules

>         The origin of chondrules is one of the outstanding problems facing
> meteorite researchers.  There is significant disagreement even among 
> colleagues who routinely work together on this problem.  But be aware, 
> nearly everything I say below will be disputed by some folks in the field,
> each highlighting a separate area of contention.
>         I think that many researchers would agree that most presently 
> existing chondrules formed in the solar nebula by melting pre-existing
> solid 
> objects (let's call them dustballs) that contained chunks of pre-existing 
> chondrules and some nebular dust.  Many chondrules may have experienced
> more 
> than one melting event.  Chondrules with relict grains melted more than 
> once; enveloping compound chondrules contain components that experienced 
> different melting events; chondrules with igneous rims melted more than 
> once.  Enveloping compound chondrules with igneous rims (rather common in
> CR 
> chondrites) were melted at least three times.  During melting it is likely
> that some volatiles escaped from chondrules and condensed onto adjacent 
> dust.  Some metal and some sulfide also likely escaped from many
> chondrules 
> during melting.  It is also likely that barred olivine and
> cryptocrystalline 
> chondrules were essentially completely melted during their final melting 
> event, but that porphyritic chondrules were only incompletely melted. 
> Melting episodes were either of short duration or occurred in the presence
> of sufficient amounts of gas to avoid fractionation of K isotopes. 
> Melting 
> experiments that produce artificial chondrules have provided useful 
> constraints on chondrule cooling times, which are probably on the order of
> a 
> few minutes.
>         Chondrules in different chondrite groups vary in size, O-isotopic 
> composition, proportion of different textural types, proportions of 
> chondrules sporting igneous rims, and the proportion of compound
> chondrules. 
> These differences have only been described to a limited extent; much more 
> work needs to be done.  Different chondrite groups also vary in their CAI 
> and amoeboid olivine inclusion (AOI) populations.  It isn't clear what the
> relationship is (if any) between a chondrite group's chondrules and CAIs.
>         Some researchers favor the idea that chondrules were formed by 
> flash-melting mechanisms such as lightning in the nebula; quite a few
> favor 
> melting of pre-existing dustballs by gas dynamic shock waves.  A vocal 
> minority believes that chondrules formed by planetesimal collisions.
>         I think that most chondrules formed in the nebula by repeated 
> episodes of flash melting but that some chondrules (e.g., most of those in
> CH chondrites and Bencubbin-like (CB) chondrites) may have formed by 
> impact-related processes.  It is also possible that rare varieties of 
> chondrules in ordinary chondrites (e.g., chromite-bearing chondrules) were
> formed by impact melting.
>         Another problem confronting researchers is that chondrules were 
> affected by parent-body processes after the chondrules formed and were 
> incorporated into asteroids.  Such secondary processes include thermal 
> metamorphism, impact heating, brecciation, and aqueous alteration.  And,
> of 
> course, chondrules in meteorite finds may have been affected by
> terrestrial 
> weathering.  We need to look beyond these processes and infer what the 
> chondrules were like prior to accretion when they were isolated dustballs
> in 
> the nebula.  This is a difficult task, but, as Jeff Grossman said,
> progress 
> is being made.
> Alan Rubin
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>
> To: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>; 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
> 
> 
> > From my layman?s perspective and point of view: isn?t it interesting
> to 
> > note that there is still **so much** controversy over chondrule
> formation, 
> > those little round objects which are so evident and very clearly visible
> > in many of the meteorites in our collections, while at the very same
> time 
> > all the basic physical conditions and evolutionary laws even on small 
> > timescales seem to be quite well understood? But then again all the many
> > empirical facts obviously still have to come under serious scrutiny to 
> > finally have, at best, sort of a "generally accepted truth" emerge: a 
> > mainstream theory of chondrule formation that will be agreed upon by
> most 
> > scientists - one of these days.
> >
> > Fascinating, especially in this era where many "basic" things seem to be
> > understood! I?m excited to learn more about this, as time goes by...
> :-)
> >
> > Alex
> > Berlin/Germany
> >
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >> Datum: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:52:08 -0400
> >> Von: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> >> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
> >
> >> I didn't say "we don't know cr*p"... I said there
> >> was not a definitive answer.  We know a lot about
> >> the timing, materials, and physical conditions
> >> needed to make chondrules and CAIs, and people
> >> have used these to make models for their
> >> formation.  But many of these constraints are
> >> under scrutiny right now, and some pretty basic
> >> things are still controversial.  What this means
> >> is... ok, we don't know cr*p.  But progress is being made.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >> At 02:39 PM 10/1/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> >> >Hi, Carl, Francesco, Jeff, List,
> >> >
> >> >Wrong, Carl. A good solid "We don't know
> >> >crap about this yet; it's all up in the air"
> >> >is the best kind of definitive answer.
> >> >
> >> >There are probably a half-dozen scenarios
> >> >for how this data came about and there's few
> >> >reasons to choose any one over the others.
> >> >
> >> >I was glad to hear Jeff confirm it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Sterling K. Webb
> >> >-----------------------------------------------------------
> >> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl 's" 
> >> ><carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
> >> >To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> >Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:49 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Ahhh! Good questions, Francesco. I had been
> >> >wondering about CAIs and chondrules myself. None
> >> >of the books I've read explains,how?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks also for your answer, Jeff. While not
> >> >definitive, it seems to be the only answer at this time. Thank you.
> >> >
> >> >Carl
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Jeff Grossman wrote:
> >> >>...
> >> >
> >> >Definitive answers to what caused the formation of CAIs and chondrules
> >> >are not known.
> >> >
> >> >_________________________________________________________________
> >> >Bing?  brings you maps, menus, and reviews
> >> >organized in one place.   Try it now.
> >>
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> >>
> >> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
> >> US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
> >> 954 National Center
> >> Reston, VA 20192, USA
> >>
> >>
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Thu Oct  1 18:12:48 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:12:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Last Ad for Awhile! Hurray! These 5 pieces are
	priced to SELL FAST.............
References: <CE737803-73BD-4D1B-9839-F236BC1435AA@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <B1CDE9B2-11C4-4BBB-89A4-D35A44E8BBAC@gilanet.com>




>
> Hello,
>
> Waiting for baby... Waiting and Waiting
>
> Here are 5 specimens that I think are priced to sell- first cash on  
> the table gets them! These are list member prices- Instant payment  
> (paypal) requested. Contact me if interested.
>
>
> LA LUZ, New Mexico, H4, MAIN MASS, 3518 gram  $4,000.00 takes it  
> home. MAIN MASS and listed in the Meteoritical Bulletin!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220486804948
>
> The Blue Chondrite, NWA 1941, Main Mass, L6 - HUGE HUGE - When I  
> bought this it was most likely the Main Mass. For the money this is  
> a grand specimen - $3500.00
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200388049504
>
> Beautiful L3, SAHARA 02500, 8,700 gram - BIG BEAUTIFUL SPECIMEN- TOO  
> CHEAP REALLY! $2250.00
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220487907838
>
> Large Slice of NORTHBRANCH, Ks., 986 gram - BIG SLICE - LOW PRICE  
> $700.00
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200336843768
>
> New-Main Mass, NWA 5027, L5, 2,282 gram _ Nice- Big- Inexpensive!   
> $950.00
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200381008727
>
> I will take care of domestic shipping (US), but because these are  
> all big pieces and they are all priced low- I need a few $$ for  
> proper overseas shipping/Canada.
>
> This sale is good for a couple of days!
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Michael Cottingham



From rocksfromspace at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 23:16:41 2009
From: rocksfromspace at yahoo.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:16:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 2,
	2009
Message-ID: <286625.54315.qm@web113012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_2_2009.html


      



From grf2 at comcast.net  Fri Oct  2 01:00:38 2009
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 01:00:38 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	2, 2009
References: <286625.54315.qm@web113012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CD32FEEA4009424CBE02F25306672D06@ASUS>

Great Picture Twink

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Michael Johnson" <rocksfromspace at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:16 PM
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 
2,2009

> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_2_2009.html
>
>
>
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct  2 04:31:24 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 9:31:24 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
 2, 2009
In-Reply-To: <286625.54315.qm@web113012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091002093124.077OG.437618.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi All,

Great little piece Twink...looks like "the elephant man meets the cackling witch". Can anyone else see that? (The witch is almost life-like)!!

:-)

G Ensor, UK.


---- Michael Johnson <rocksfromspace at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_2_2009.html
> 
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From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 04:41:07 2009
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 01:41:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ice on Mars by meteorite Impact
Message-ID: <92298.75434.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Read from Astronomy .com

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=8666

Cheers

Steve


      


From info at meteorites.com.au  Fri Oct  2 06:18:43 2009
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:18:43 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] New MESSENGER Mercury Images
In-Reply-To: <200910012007.n91K78bt000334@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200910012007.n91K78bt000334@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <3D79E729906046FDBDACEFD99CD6C555@JeffPC>

Thanks for posting this Ron. The article mentions at "the center of the 
bright halo is an irregular depression, which may have formed through 
volcanic processes." I'm certainly no expert but the shape appears more like 
a double crater. Although admittedly it doesn't look like there is much of a 
rim. It will be interesting to see more pics of this region as Messenger 
continues its mission.

http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/pics/CN0162744128M_raw.jpg

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:07 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New MESSENGER Mercury Images



http://messenger.jhuapl.edu

MESSENGER Mission News
October 1, 2009

NEW MESSENGER MERCURY IMAGES

A Bright Spot in the Latest Imaging

Humans have now had three views of the bright area shown near the top center 
of this
image
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=336>.
The first view was as a mere tiny bright spot seen in telescopic images
of Mercury obtained from Earth by astronomer Ronald Dantowitz. The second 
view
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?page=3&gallery_id=2&image_id=236>
was obtained by the MESSENGER Narrow Angle Camera during the spacecraft's
second Mercury flyby on October 6, 2008. At that time, the bright feature
was just on the planet's limb (edge) as seen from MESSENGER. Now MESSENGER
has provided a new, even better view. The geometry of MESSENGER's third
Mercury flyby allows us to see the feature and its surroundings in greater
detail, including the smooth plains in the foreground and the rim of a
newly discovered impact basin
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=332>
at lower left. Surprisingly, at the center of the bright halo is an 
irregular
depression, which may have formed through volcanic processes. Color images
from MESSENGER's Wide Angle Camera reveal that the irregular depression
and bright halo have distinctive color. This area will be of particular
interest for further observation during MESSENGER's orbital operations
starting in 2011.

Evening Shadows

These images
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=337>
were taken on approach to Mercury during the spacecraft's second (left)
and third (right) flybys. The image from the second flyby was featured
in an earlier release
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?page=1&gallery_id=2&image_id=287>.
The image on the right was taken about 75 minutes before MESSENGER's closest
approach. The two images cover very nearly the same terrain, but for the
right image the Sun's illumination is more nearly grazing (local time
is almost sunset) and the viewing perspective of the spacecraft is more
nearly vertical. The large impact crater bisected with a prominent scarp
or cliff is the same feature in both images. Because of Mercury's rotation
between the two encounters, the position of the crater in the right image
is nearly at the terminator (the division between the dayside and night
side of the planet), and thus the shadows are longer. The near-grazing
illumination emphasizes the topography of the crater floor, including
the relief of the wrinkle ridges on either side of the large scarp. To
the west of the crater, the shadows and viewing angle show that the terrain
is far more rugged than it appeared from the second flyby.

Seeing Double?

This image
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=338>
shows a double-ring impact basin, with another large impact crater on
its south-southwestern side. Smaller, more recent impacts formed 
comparatively
fresh craters across the entire surface visible in this image. The floor
within the inner or peak ring appears to be smoother than the floor between
the peak ring and the outer rim, possibly the result of lava flows that
partially flooded the basin some time after impact. Double-ring basins
are formed when a large meteoroid strikes the surface of a rocky planet.

Crater Ejecta and Chains of Secondary Impacts

This newly observed flat-floored crater
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=339>
was viewed at an oblique angle as MESSENGER approached Mercury for its
third flyby, about two hours from closest approach. This crater is younger
than nearby craters of similar size, indicated by the distinctive halo
of small secondary craters that radiate outward from the central structure.
Many of these secondaries are aligned in chain-like formations and some
show characteristic "herringbone" features pointing back to the crater
of origin. Crater chains are just one of many ejecta types observed on
Mercury. Other ejecta features include distinct continuous ejecta
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?image_id=311>
and crater rays
<http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?image_id=280>,
which are composed of both ejecta and secondaries. Another ejecta feature
of note in this mosaic of two images is a zone of lighter terrain extending
a bit west of north from the crater itself, possibly providing information
about the direction of impact. This unnamed crater is partially superposed
on an older and smaller crater to the south.

Additional information and features from this encounter will be available
online at http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/mer_flyby3.html.
Be sure to check back frequently to see the latest released images and
science results!

________________________________

Highlights from Three Mercury Flybys

Tonight, three MESSENGER team members - Principal Investigator
Sean Solomon, of the Carnegie Institution of Washington, Project Manager
Peter Bedini, of APL, and Co-Investigator Louise Prockter, of APL - will
talk about what we've learned about Mercury from MESSENGER's encounters
with the planet, and release new pictures from the spacecraft's third
flyby of Mercury. The event, to be held at the Kossiakoff Center on the
campus of the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel,
Md., will begin at 5 p.m.
________________________________

MESSENGER (MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry, and Ranging)
is a NASA-sponsored scientific investigation of the planet Mercury and
the first space mission designed to orbit the planet closest to the Sun.
The MESSENGER spacecraft launched on August 3, 2004, and after flybys of
Earth, Venus, and Mercury will start a yearlong study of its target
planet in March 2011. Dr. Sean C. Solomon, of the Carnegie Institution
of Washington, leads the mission as Principal Investigator. The Johns
Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory built and operates the
MESSENGER spacecraft and manages this Discovery-class mission for NASA.

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From info at meteorites.com.au  Fri Oct  2 06:30:51 2009
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:30:51 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
In-Reply-To: <1FCA49452FDF4D8F9414D79B88DD17B8@SINOITE>
References: <COL108-W455708ED714B53DEBD10F49BD40@phx.gbl><0C0B149081154E8A9FFE1A9566EE2877@ATARIENGINE2><OF3767CFCD.B9C3460C-ON85257642.0067AAA1@usgs.gov><20091001195735.64520@gmx.net>
	<1FCA49452FDF4D8F9414D79B88DD17B8@SINOITE>
Message-ID: <B81D6FA527B54707A41024C7BD58833D@JeffPC>

Thanks very much for posting this Alan. Chondrule formation and the 
primitive chondrites have always fascinated me and one of your points in 
particular peaked my interest.

"Melting experiments that produce artificial chondrules have provided useful 
constraints on chondrule cooling times, which are probably on the order of a 
few minutes."

It's not the first time I have heard this. As I have looked over various 
sources over the last several years, a common opinion seemed to be that 
chondrules formed, cooled and then accreted into larger bodies. But how does 
a model with chondrules cooling so fast take this into account:

http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/nwa2892.html

NWA 2892 is my favourite meteorite because of the story it tells and it's 
uniqueness. It would seem to me that some of the models may need work. Could 
it be that either chondrules were continuing to melt for longer than 
commonly thought or the accretion of the larger bodies started earlier?

Thanks,

Jeff



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Rubin" <aerubin at ucla.edu>
To: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>; "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules


>        The origin of chondrules is one of the outstanding problems facing 
> meteorite researchers.  There is significant disagreement even among 
> colleagues who routinely work together on this problem.  But be aware, 
> nearly everything I say below will be disputed by some folks in the field, 
> each highlighting a separate area of contention.
>        I think that many researchers would agree that most presently 
> existing chondrules formed in the solar nebula by melting pre-existing 
> solid objects (let's call them dustballs) that contained chunks of 
> pre-existing chondrules and some nebular dust.  Many chondrules may have 
> experienced more than one melting event.  Chondrules with relict grains 
> melted more than once; enveloping compound chondrules contain components 
> that experienced different melting events; chondrules with igneous rims 
> melted more than once.  Enveloping compound chondrules with igneous rims 
> (rather common in CR chondrites) were melted at least three times.  During 
> melting it is likely that some volatiles escaped from chondrules and 
> condensed onto adjacent dust.  Some metal and some sulfide also likely 
> escaped from many chondrules during melting.  It is also likely that 
> barred olivine and cryptocrystalline chondrules were essentially 
> completely melted during their final melting event, but that porphyritic 
> chondrules were only incompletely melted. Melting episodes were either of 
> short duration or occurred in the presence of sufficient amounts of gas to 
> avoid fractionation of K isotopes.  Melting experiments that produce 
> artificial chondrules have provided useful constraints on chondrule 
> cooling times, which are probably on the order of a few minutes.
>        Chondrules in different chondrite groups vary in size, O-isotopic 
> composition, proportion of different textural types, proportions of 
> chondrules sporting igneous rims, and the proportion of compound 
> chondrules. These differences have only been described to a limited 
> extent; much more work needs to be done.  Different chondrite groups also 
> vary in their CAI and amoeboid olivine inclusion (AOI) populations.  It 
> isn't clear what the relationship is (if any) between a chondrite group's 
> chondrules and CAIs.
>        Some researchers favor the idea that chondrules were formed by 
> flash-melting mechanisms such as lightning in the nebula; quite a few 
> favor melting of pre-existing dustballs by gas dynamic shock waves.  A 
> vocal minority believes that chondrules formed by planetesimal collisions.
>        I think that most chondrules formed in the nebula by repeated 
> episodes of flash melting but that some chondrules (e.g., most of those in 
> CH chondrites and Bencubbin-like (CB) chondrites) may have formed by 
> impact-related processes.  It is also possible that rare varieties of 
> chondrules in ordinary chondrites (e.g., chromite-bearing chondrules) were 
> formed by impact melting.
>        Another problem confronting researchers is that chondrules were 
> affected by parent-body processes after the chondrules formed and were 
> incorporated into asteroids.  Such secondary processes include thermal 
> metamorphism, impact heating, brecciation, and aqueous alteration.  And, 
> of course, chondrules in meteorite finds may have been affected by 
> terrestrial weathering.  We need to look beyond these processes and infer 
> what the chondrules were like prior to accretion when they were isolated 
> dustballs in the nebula.  This is a difficult task, but, as Jeff Grossman 
> said, progress is being made.
> Alan Rubin
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>
> To: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>; 
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>
>
>> From my layman?s perspective and point of view: isn?t it interesting to 
>> note that there is still **so much** controversy over chondrule 
>> formation, those little round objects which are so evident and very 
>> clearly visible in many of the meteorites in our collections, while at 
>> the very same time all the basic physical conditions and evolutionary 
>> laws even on small timescales seem to be quite well understood? But then 
>> again all the many empirical facts obviously still have to come under 
>> serious scrutiny to finally have, at best, sort of a "generally accepted 
>> truth" emerge: a mainstream theory of chondrule formation that will be 
>> agreed upon by most scientists - one of these days.
>>
>> Fascinating, especially in this era where many "basic" things seem to be 
>> understood! I?m excited to learn more about this, as time goes by... :-)
>>
>> Alex
>> Berlin/Germany
>>
>>
>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>>> Datum: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:52:08 -0400
>>> Von: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
>>> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>>
>>> I didn't say "we don't know cr*p"... I said there
>>> was not a definitive answer.  We know a lot about
>>> the timing, materials, and physical conditions
>>> needed to make chondrules and CAIs, and people
>>> have used these to make models for their
>>> formation.  But many of these constraints are
>>> under scrutiny right now, and some pretty basic
>>> things are still controversial.  What this means
>>> is... ok, we don't know cr*p.  But progress is being made.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> At 02:39 PM 10/1/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
>>> >Hi, Carl, Francesco, Jeff, List,
>>> >
>>> >Wrong, Carl. A good solid "We don't know
>>> >crap about this yet; it's all up in the air"
>>> >is the best kind of definitive answer.
>>> >
>>> >There are probably a half-dozen scenarios
>>> >for how this data came about and there's few
>>> >reasons to choose any one over the others.
>>> >
>>> >I was glad to hear Jeff confirm it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Sterling K. Webb
>>> >-----------------------------------------------------------
>>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl 's" 
>>> ><carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
>>> >To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> >Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:49 PM
>>> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Ahhh! Good questions, Francesco. I had been
>>> >wondering about CAIs and chondrules myself. None
>>> >of the books I've read explains,how?
>>> >
>>> >Thanks also for your answer, Jeff. While not
>>> >definitive, it seems to be the only answer at this time. Thank you.
>>> >
>>> >Carl
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Jeff Grossman wrote:
>>> >>...
>>> >
>>> >Definitive answers to what caused the formation of CAIs and chondrules
>>> >are not known.
>>> >
>>> >_________________________________________________________________
>>> >Bing?  brings you maps, menus, and reviews
>>> >organized in one place.   Try it now.
>>> >http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1
>>> >______________________________________________
>>> >http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> >Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
>>> US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
>>> 954 National Center
>>> Reston, VA 20192, USA
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Fri Oct  2 08:33:15 2009
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:33:15 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Re:  CAI and chondrules
In-Reply-To: <20091001201649.269950@gmx.net>
References: <20091001201649.269950@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <OF3A00B9A0.535A3956-ON85257643.0045335A@usgs.gov>

There are all kinds of controversies involved 
with this subject.  The observations themselves 
are rarely the problem.  It's how the 
observations are interpreted that leads to the controversies!

Turning observations into constraints on 
chondrule or CAI formation always involves 
interpretation.  The first steps in forming these 
constraints from observations of the natural 
systems usually involve: (1) Arguing that the 
observations are of primary features (as opposed 
to features formed by metamorphism, alteration, 
shock, weathering, or other late processing) and, 
(2) arguing that the observations do not reflect 
some kind of anomalous or unusual special case, 
but are instead applicable to the general 
problem.  If you can do that, then you have a 
primary constraint, namely that the chondrule- or 
CAI-formation process has to be able to result in 
the observed feature.  So, following some of what 
Alan said, he argues that chondrule formation 
must be able to produce the observed rims.  I 
think nearly all researchers would agree with this statement.

Where things get really messy is the next stage 
of the process.  For example, one might make a 
list of all the processes that could conceivably 
make these rims and try to rule out all but 
one.  Alan has argued that they could only form 
by multiple heating events, and therefore declare 
that another constraint on chondrule formation is 
that it must be able to melt the objects multiple 
times.  But his arguments to get to that 
constraint are complex and might be questioned by 
other workers.  Another worker might look at the 
same data and conclude that the rims could form 
by multiple accretion events of material splashed 
from asteroidal impacts.  It is these secondary 
constraints that are often highly controversial.

Built on top of these constraints, as well as 
constraints provided by astronomical 
observations, physics, and chemistry, are models 
for the early solar system.  If the constraints 
on which the models are built are really good, 
then the models may eventually approach 
reality.  But these models are houses of cards. 
If the constraints are weak, they will fall. When 
you ask for a definitive answer to how chondrules 
or CAIs form, you are asking for the definitive 
early solar system model.  At this time, there isn't one.

Jeff



At 04:16 PM 10/1/2009, Alexander Seidel wrote:
>Sorry, I should have added: the observable facts 
>don??t seem to be the problem here, but all the 
>*CONSTRAINTS* on them involved, right Jeff?
>
>Alex
>
>-------- Original-Nachricht --------
>Datum: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:57:35 +0200
>Von: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>
>An: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>
> From my layman??s perspective and point of 
> view: isn??t it interesting to note that there 
> is still **so much** controversy over chondrule 
> formation, those little round objects which are 
> so evident and very clearly visible in many of 
> the meteorites in our collections, while at the 
> very same time all the basic physical 
> conditions and evolutionary laws even on small 
> timescales seem to be quite well understood? 
> But then again all the many empirical facts 
> obviously still have to come under serious 
> scrutiny to finally have, at best, sort of a 
> "generally accepted truth" emerge: a mainstream 
> theory of chondrule formation that will be 
> agreed upon by most scientists - one of these days.
>
>Fascinating, especially in this era where many 
>"basic" things seem to be understood! I??m 
>excited to learn more about this, as time goes by... :-)
>
>Alex
>Berlin/Germany
>
>
>-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:52:08 -0400
> > Von: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>
> > I didn't say "we don't know cr*p"... I said there
> > was not a definitive answer.  We know a lot about
> > the timing, materials, and physical conditions
> > needed to make chondrules and CAIs, and people
> > have used these to make models for their
> > formation.  But many of these constraints are
> > under scrutiny right now, and some pretty basic
> > things are still controversial.  What this means
> > is... ok, we don't know cr*p.  But progress is being made.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > At 02:39 PM 10/1/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> > >Hi, Carl, Francesco, Jeff, List,
> > >
> > >Wrong, Carl. A good solid "We don't know
> > >crap about this yet; it's all up in the air"
> > >is the best kind of definitive answer.
> > >
> > >There are probably a half-dozen scenarios
> > >for how this data came about and there's few
> > >reasons to choose any one over the others.
> > >
> > >I was glad to hear Jeff confirm it.
> > >
> > >
> > >Sterling K. Webb
> > >-----------------------------------------------------------
> > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl 's" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:49 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Ahhh! Good questions, Francesco. I had been
> > >wondering about CAIs and chondrules myself. None
> > >of the books I've read explains,how?
> > >
> > >Thanks also for your answer, Jeff. While not
> > >definitive, it seems to be the only answer at this time. Thank you.
> > >
> > >Carl
> > >
> > >
> > >Jeff Grossman wrote:
> > >>...
> > >
> > >Definitive answers to what caused the formation of CAIs and chondrules
> > >are not known.
> > >
> > >_________________________________________________________________
> > >Bing?  brings you maps, menus, and reviews
> > >organized in one place.   Try it now.
> > >http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form 
> =MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1
> > >______________________________________________
> > >http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > >Meteorite-list mailing list
> > >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
> > US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
> > 954 National Center
> > Reston, VA 20192, USA
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>______________________________________________
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Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
954 National Center
Reston, VA 20192, USA




From larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net  Fri Oct  2 08:47:35 2009
From: larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net (Larry & Twink Monrad)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 05:47:35 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	2, 2009
References: <20091002093124.077OG.437618.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <AD2700D8AEE944A5B95AFE9DCA803936@DFZN8X81>

And, how about the bird with the bulging eye on the left side too!
Twink


Hi All,

 Great little piece Twink...looks like "the elephant man meets the cackling 
witch". Can anyone else see that? (The witch is almost life-like)!!

 :-)

 G Ensor, UK.


 ---- Michael Johnson <rocksfromspace at yahoo.com> wrote:
 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_2_2009.html





From vs.petrovich at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 09:34:43 2009
From: vs.petrovich at gmail.com (Sergey Vasiliev)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:34:43 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List Search
Message-ID: <JPELLBIMOJEBPCPOJGEBEEFECJAA.vs.petrovich@gmail.com>

Hi List,

Sometimes it is difficult to find a message on the Met List Archive. At least for me... ;-)

So I created a simple search website:
http://meteorite-list.sv-meteorites.com/

You can search from April 2004 to the current date.

Enjoy!
Sergey




From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Fri Oct  2 09:54:41 2009
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:54:41 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites needed
Message-ID: <4ac60621.a1.2690.1806646674@webmaildh1.aruba.it>

I need two little pieces - 1x1 cm. - of Dayton and Colomera
meteorites. If you have please contact me

Matteo


M come Meteorite Meteoriti
info at mcomemeteorite.it
http://www.mcomemeteorite.it
http://www.mcomemeteorite.org
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http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html
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http://www.chinellatophoto.com


From gracie at sheverb.com  Fri Oct  2 09:58:15 2009
From: gracie at sheverb.com (gracie)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:58:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List Search
In-Reply-To: <JPELLBIMOJEBPCPOJGEBEEFECJAA.vs.petrovich@gmail.com>
References: <JPELLBIMOJEBPCPOJGEBEEFECJAA.vs.petrovich@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63848.70.171.37.236.1254491895.squirrel@sheverb.com>

This is great! So much better than cluttering up my email with or scouring
the archives for content I want to return to.

Thank you!


> Hi List,
>
> Sometimes it is difficult to find a message on the Met List Archive. At
> least for me... ;-)
>
> So I created a simple search website:
> http://meteorite-list.sv-meteorites.com/
>
> You can search from April 2004 to the current date.
>
> Enjoy!
> Sergey
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>




From majbaermann at web.de  Fri Oct  2 10:05:52 2009
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:05:52 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List Search
References: <JPELLBIMOJEBPCPOJGEBEEFECJAA.vs.petrovich@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1648CE41AA484E7AAA1D73411158DB03@thinkcentre>

Wow, Sergey, that's great. Thank you for this utmost helpful tool!

Your beautiful website is one of my meteorite-favorites in the www anyhow.

Wishing all of you a nice weekend,

Matthias

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sergey Vasiliev" <vs.petrovich at gmail.com>
To: "Meteorite-List at Meteoritecentral. Com" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List Search


> Hi List,
>
> Sometimes it is difficult to find a message on the Met List Archive. At 
> least for me... ;-)
>
> So I created a simple search website:
> http://meteorite-list.sv-meteorites.com/
>
> You can search from April 2004 to the current date.
>
> Enjoy!
> Sergey
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 



From marcin at meteoryt.net  Fri Oct  2 11:41:54 2009
From: marcin at meteoryt.net (Marcin Cimala)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:41:54 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869 big specimens
References: <JPELLBIMOJEBPCPOJGEBEEFECJAA.vs.petrovich@gmail.com>
	<1648CE41AA484E7AAA1D73411158DB03@thinkcentre>
Message-ID: <A13E8703696341C685F8BA9F34230909@polandmezrd5i9>

Hi
Anyone have for sale large specimens of well known NWA 869 ?
Im looking for 5-10kg specimen for display.
If You still have too many kilo of this well know chondrite, please send me 
an offer,

-----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)polandmet.com
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
--------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------



From cojack at tiscali.it  Fri Oct  2 13:27:18 2009
From: cojack at tiscali.it (Francesco Moser)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:27:18 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
References: <898722.54778.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7580EE4D7ACE484BA4845EAA4E001B7A@fisso>

Thanks a lot to everyone who gave me an answer! I hoped that there were some 
sharp idea about the chodrules and the CAI's but I have understand that 
there are just tons of doubts :(

Best regards!

<>X<>X<>X<>X<>
Francesco Moser
IMCA #1510



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MEM" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
To: "ZZ ML Meteorite-List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Francesco 
Moser" <cojack at tiscali.it>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules


> I've my own collection of ideas as to how chondrules developed but will 
> save them for later.  As to CAIs and their presence in carbonaceous 
> meteorites.  A list member and I had this discussion some time ago and the 
> answer may lie in a process in the "T-Tauri" stage of stellar evolution.
>
> When the T-Tauri protostar goes thermonuclear it loses a mass through a 
> high solar wind output which sweeps a lot of the remaining unaccreted 
> debris from the inner solar system--we believe.  This is the foundation 
> for our ability to develop isotopic curves of regions based on distance 
> from the sun and explains the rocky inner planets and the gas giants much 
> further out in the solar system.  This probably is a player in chondrule 
> formation. CAIs are dated to about 2 million years older.
>
> Prior to the hydrogen fuel-burning stage, there was an ongoing fission 
> process which is the likely source for the short-lived isotopes such as 
> 26Al. While I can't lay my hands on the link, I recall some diagrams of a 
> particular phase of T-Tauri accretion where the dynamics were such that 
> even though the solar disk was being spun into a flat, thin, rotating 
> disk, the poles of the proto-sun were ejecting major mega streams of 
> lighter, probably charged particles-- mainly such as calcium, aluminum, 
> carbon, helium, etc. The particle streams resembled fountains spraying 
> very high speed particles many many AUs up and out of the plane of the 
> ecliptic into two giant hemispheres.
>
> If true, this tends to explain the Ort cloud formation and how CAIs were 
> available for inclusion in cometary-like carbonaceous meteorites along 
> with younger chondrules. It explains how CAIs predate the sun's fusion 
> stage and how they were able to skip the mega solar winds generated when 
> the sun kicked over to fusion from fission. Comets forming inside the Ort 
> Cloud but outside the ecliptical plane my be devoid of chondrules 
> (possible example: Tagish Lake)
>
> 1) supernova
> A super nova is theorized to be the catalyst for compressing enough dust 
> close enough for gravity to take over and condense the early initial solar 
> disk getting things spinning into a disk.
>> 2) few time later CAI formation
> Yes but a long time later, possibly explained under the T-Tauri pre-fusion 
> stage during the collapse of the solar disk.
> 3) at the same time collapse of nebula
> Yes but probably well after the accretion stage was under way.
> 4) 2My later condrule formation.
> Yes again
>> 5) at the same time proto-sun and proto-planetary formation
> Probably in connection with the fusion to fusion change-over and during 
> the interval before mega-solar wind swept out the lighter elements from 
> the inner solar system and stopped chondrule formation.
>> 6) ...
> There were probably at least 6 additional Mars sized planets else 
> planetary centers of accretion and some theorize 30 or more. One was 
> accounted for by our moons formation, another knocked Uranus on its side 
> one or more contributed to the asteroid belt. Someplace in the sequence 
> comets formed outside the mainstream goings on in the solar disk/system it 
> self.
>
> Elton
>
> --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Francesco Moser <cojack at tiscali.it> wrote:
>
>> From: Francesco Moser <cojack at tiscali.it>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>> To: "ZZ ML Meteorite-List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 5:37 PM
>> Hello!
>> I take a look on wikipedia about CAI and chondrules, but I
>> have still some doubt.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium-aluminium-rich_inclusion
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chondrule
>>
>> What prompted the formation of CAI? and what's caused the
>> formation of chondurles???
>> The supernova gave the energy for the formation of CAI and
>> for the collapse of the solar nebula?
>> Some other energy source, still unknow, 2 million years
>> later molten the material which formed the chondrules? But
>> wich type of energy source?
>>
>> Is correct this time line?
>>
>> 1) supernova
>> 2) few time later CAI formation
>> 3) at the same time collapse of nebula
>> 4) 2My later condrule formation
>> 5) at the same time proto-sun and proto-planetary
>> formation
>> 6) ...
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>> Best regards!
>>
>> Francesco Moser
>> IMCA #1510 



From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Fri Oct  2 14:11:46 2009
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 02 Oct 2009 18:11:46 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 2,
	2009
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000870000408F@paulinet.de>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_2_2009.html

It sure looks like an elk's antlers :-)
Very nice shape!

Bernd



From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  2 14:30:56 2009
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:30:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
 2, 2009
Message-ID: <24864202.1254508257080.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Resembles a homonid pelvis. I take it to be female from the width and angulation of the osteum veneris. I need to drink more.

Count Deiro

-----Original Message-----
>From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
>Sent: Oct 2, 2009 2:11 PM
>To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 2,	2009
>
>http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_2_2009.html
>
>It sure looks like an elk's antlers :-)
>Very nice shape!
>
>Bernd
>
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From mmurray at montrose.net  Fri Oct  2 14:50:29 2009
From: mmurray at montrose.net (Michael Murray)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:50:29 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	2, 2009
In-Reply-To: <24864202.1254508257080.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <24864202.1254508257080.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <DC058996-E6CC-4DF8-9D70-A607EDB27F78@montrose.net>

I see the side view of a face on the right side,  mouth open, teeth  
showing, bit of a hook nose, long chin, eye with eyelash, flip of hair  
out in front on top.  Sorry but it just jumped out at me when I first  
saw the picture.
Mike in CO

On Oct 2, 2009, at 12:30 PM, countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote:

> Resembles a homonid pelvis. I take it to be female from the width  
> and angulation of the osteum veneris. I need to drink more.
>
> Count Deiro
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
>> Sent: Oct 2, 2009 2:11 PM
>> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -  
>> October 2,	2009
>>
>> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_2_2009.html
>>
>> It sure looks like an elk's antlers :-)
>> Very nice shape!
>>
>> Bernd
>>
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 14:58:02 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:58:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation
Message-ID: <579489.50682.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

"We don't know crap..." Hey!, who stole my line?

But that's okay, I can come up with another one: 
We don't know crap about the impact hazard, 
and NASA senior managers know less than that.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas



      


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct  2 15:15:58 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:15:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: September 28 - October
	2, 2009
Message-ID: <200910021915.n92JFwab028714@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
September 28 - October 2, 2009

o Ophir Chasma (Released 28 September 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090928a

o Dunes (Released 29 September 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090929a

o Dunes (Released 30 September 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090930a

o Arsia Mons Flows (Released 01 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091001a

o Polar Layers (Released 02 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091002a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 





From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Fri Oct  2 15:42:41 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:42:41 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	2, 2009
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References: <DIIE.000000870000408F@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <003001ca4398$81a78590$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_2_2009.html

My Rohrschach test try says, I see a bird in the moment of take-off.
Hmm...what that this mean??

Martin


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From stm at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct  2 15:59:37 2009
From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:59:37 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October2,
	2009
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References: <DIIE.000000870000408F@paulinet.de>
	<003001ca4398$81a78590$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <67157FF5B89A493FB87B24E296695B63@Platinum2>

I see a phoenix Martin - so I'm right there with you...

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October2, 2009


> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_2_2009.html
>
> My Rohrschach test try says, I see a bird in the moment of take-off.
> Hmm...what that this mean??
>
> Martin
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Fri Oct  2 15:56:30 2009
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 02 Oct 2009 19:56:30 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 2,
	2009
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000005300004092@paulinet.de>

> I see a phoenix Martin - so I'm right there with you.

OK, folks, ... so there's a phoenix rising from the ashes and
the cackling witch is bewitching and ridiculing the birdie :-))

Cheers,

Bernd



From metlist at plu.to  Fri Oct  2 16:53:01 2009
From: metlist at plu.to (matt)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:53:01 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Limerick
Message-ID: <4AC6682D.5050605@plu.to>

I've been looking around for a while but haven't seen any Limerick available.

Does anybody happen to have a small (~1g?) fragment or partslice available for 
sale or trade?

Please contact me offlist.

Thanks,

Matt.


From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  2 16:51:29 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:51:29 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation
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Hello All:

I had a thought:

It seems to me that chondrules are prevalent in meteorites blasted from asteroidal bodies and not from planetary bodies. For example, do chondrules exist (or have been found) on any meteorites from the moon, mars or maybe from Mercury (Angrites?)? Now I understand that these are called achondrites, and thus they do not have chondrules, but it seems that chondrites are only from asteroidal bodies (or perhaps comets).? With that said, maybe there is a relationship between formation of rock without gravity (or a very small amount of gravity); chondrules form initially during the formation of the solar system, and then later over millions of years are altered on planetary bodies under a gravitational force.

Just my two cents worth.

Greg S.

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>
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>
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> We don't know crap about the impact hazard,
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From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  2 17:28:50 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:28:50 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation
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Hello=2C Greg and list.=20

>From what I understand - chondrules can't form on bodies that have or have =
had been (such as rocky planets and asteroids like Vesta)=2C geologically a=
ctive - because the material has been so heavily processed.. The iron and n=
ickle which are heavier than the rocky/silicate=2C are driven to the core b=
y gravity when it was molten.=20

The last paragraph of your message pretty much answers your question. =3B)=
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> Date: Fri=2C 2 Oct 2009 13:51:29 -0700
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation
>
>
> Hello All:
>
> I had a thought:
>
> It seems to me that chondrules are prevalent in meteorites blasted from a=
steroidal bodies and not from planetary bodies. For example=2C do chondrule=
s exist (or have been found) on any meteorites from the moon=2C mars or may=
be from Mercury (Angrites?)? Now I understand that these are called achondr=
ites=2C and thus they do not have chondrules=2C but it seems that chondrite=
s are only from asteroidal bodies (or perhaps comets).  With that said=2C m=
aybe there is a relationship between formation of rock without gravity (or =
a very small amount of gravity)=3B chondrules form initially during the for=
mation of the solar system=2C and then later over millions of years are alt=
ered on planetary bodies under a gravitational force.
>
> Just my two cents worth.
>
> Greg S.
>
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>> Date: Fri=2C 2 Oct 2009 11:58:02 -0700
>> From: epgrondine at yahoo.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation
>>
>> Hi all -
>>
>> "We don't know crap..." Hey!=2C who stole my line?
>>
>> But that's okay=2C I can come up with another one:
>> We don't know crap about the impact hazard=2C
>> and NASA senior managers know less than that.
>>
>> E.P. Grondine
>> Man and Impact in the Americas
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 17:54:31 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:54:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Siberian volcanism 'wiped out world's forests'
	250m years ago
Message-ID: <855569.90733.qm@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Siberian volcano 'wiped out world's forests' 250m years ago
A huge Siberian volcano destroyed the world's forests 250 
million years ago in what scientists say was the worst extinction 
event the planet has ever witnessed, new research has disclosed.
Telegraph, UK, 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6253147/Siberian-volcano-wiped-out-worlds-forests-250m-years-ago.html

Sephton, M. A., H. Visscher, C. V. Looy, A. B. Verchovsky,and J. S. 
Watson, 2009, Chemical constitution of a Permian-Triassic disaster 
species. Geology. vol. 37, pp. 875-878, doi:10.1130/G30096A.1

http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/37/10/875.abstract

Yours,

Paul H.



      


From bristolia at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 18:06:21 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Sudbury impact layer in the Paleoproterozoic
	of northern Michigan, USA
Message-ID: <88475.34477.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Cannon, W. F., K. J. Schulz, J. Wright Horton, Jr., and
David A. Kring, 2009, The Sudbury impact layer in the 
Paleoproterozoic iron ranges of northern Michigan, USA.
Geological Society of America Bulletin. Ahead of Print, 
September 25, 2009

http://gsabulletin.gsapubs.org/content/early/2009/09/24/B26517.1.abstract

Pufahl, P. K., Eric E. Hiatt, Clifford R. Stanley, Jared 
R. Morrow, Gabriel J. Nelson, and Cole T. Edwards, 2009,
Physical and chemical evidence of the 1850 Ma Sudbury 
impact event in the Baraga Group, Michigan, Geology.
vol. 35, no. 9, pp. 827-830.

http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/35/9/827

http://www.uwosh.edu/faculty_staff/hiatt/Research/Early_ocean/Pufahl_Ejecta_9_07.pdf
http://www.uwosh.edu/faculty_staff/hiatt/Research/Early_oceans.html

Yours,

Paul H.


      


From bristolia at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 18:17:01 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:17:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Geology of Lonar Crater,
	India (With Link to PDF File of Paper)
Message-ID: <720812.13962.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Maloof, A. C., S. T. Stewart, B. P. Weiss, S. A. Soule,
N. L. Swanson-Hysell, K. L. Louzada, I. Garrick-Bethell,
and P. M. Poussart. Geology of Lonar Crater, India 
Geological Society of America Bulletin. Published Online
September 25, 2009, doi:10.1130/B26474.1 

http://gsabulletin.gsapubs.org/content/early/2009/09/24/B26474.1.abstract

PDF file at:

http://web.mit.edu/iang/www/pubs/Lonar_Geology_Preprint_GSABull_submitted_2008.pdf
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~planets/louzada/page%202.html

Auxillary Materials at:

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~planets/sstewart/reprints/papers/27_Maloof_et_al_Geology_Lonar_Crater_GSA_Bull_inpress_2009_DR.pdf
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~planets/louzada/page%202.html

DEM file of crater at:

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~planets/sstewart/reprints/papers/lonar-dem.zip
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~planets/louzada/page%202.html

Yours,

Paul H.




      


From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 20:43:01 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (MEM)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:43:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strange Rock Reports
In-Reply-To: <f0a794130909161223w52a54312x69c8e2fd7d5219bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <641730.10981.qm@web55207.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Hello Mike, List, Meteorwrong Collectors,

How many kilos do you want? This is a great meteorwrong specific to Pennsylvania highways and railroads.  It makes great target material for testing your meteorite hunting skills with a metal detector.  It is not technically a "slag" as it is an intended bulk ore additive made in that form for ease of shipping and charging blast furnaces.

I believe it is what is known as "Giest Eisen" or "Eisen Giest"--Spirit iron*-- a cobalt/molybdenum -enriched, iron-ore stock made in the 80 or 90s for the German steel industry by The New Jersey Zinc Company(?) in Palmerton, PA( EPA Super Fund Top 10 and one of my favorite collecting places for radioactive morsels).  The process didn't have as much cobalt as specified(?) or other defect and whist waiting for resolution, NJZC went out of the smelting business in Palmerton. 

Bethlehem Steel may also have experimented with the mountains of these which were left in limbo.  A lot of it found its way into road bed filler.  It is magnetic, makes a metal detector sing soprano, and as I said is a realistic acting meteorwrong.

Palmerton's "claim" to fame was a perpetual toxic-fog inversion overlying the town sited between two high ridges in a narrow valley.  This killed the vegetation and left Palmertion looking like a transplanted town from somewhere in Colorado or Utah. It also killed the local residents in particularly persistent fogs.

Elton

* The origin of the name cobalt was attributed to its mysterious nature which made smelting iron difficult or so I thought, but the Wikipedia article gives a different slant.  
>From the Wikipedia article on cobalt's name origin:
"The word cobalt is derived from the German "kobalt", from "kobold" meaning "goblin", a term used for the ore of cobalt by miners. The first attempts at smelting the cobalt ores to produce cobalt metal failed, yielding cobalt(II) oxide instead. Also, because the primary ores of cobalt always contain arsenic, smelting the ore oxidized into the highly toxic and volatile oxide As4O6, which was inhaled by workers".


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct  2 20:53:32 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:53:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Opportunity Finds Another Meteorite
Message-ID: <200910030053.n930rW6Y010292@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/multimedia/mer20091002.html

Opportunity Finds Another Meteorite
10.02.09

[Image] 
A meteorite recently discovered by Opportunity

NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity has found a rock that
apparently is another meteorite, less than three weeks after driving
away from a larger meteorite that the rover examined for six weeks.

Opportunity used its navigation camera during the mission's 2,022nd
Martian day, or sol, (Oct. 1, 2009) to take this image of the apparent
meteorite dubbed "Shelter Island." The pitted rock is about 47
centimeters (18.5 inches) long. Opportunity had driven 28.5 meters (94
feet) that sol to approach the rock after it had been detected in images
taken after a drive two sols earlier.

Opportunity has driven about 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) since it
finished studying the meteorite called "Block Island" on Sept. 11, 2009.

Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech
 


From rocksfromspace at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  3 00:00:24 2009
From: rocksfromspace at yahoo.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:00:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 3,
	2009
Message-ID: <337038.47612.qm@web113009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_3_2009.html


      



From schroer at bigpond.com  Sat Oct  3 01:26:41 2009
From: schroer at bigpond.com (W&S Schroer)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:56:41 +0930
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Meteorite List Search
Message-ID: <89252B03DF0742A694112125A9F7B64F@WERNER>

Hi Sergey,

well done! For a newcomer like me it will be a great help. 

Thank you very much.

Werner Schroer


From mpg4444 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 08:47:40 2009
From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:47:40 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA- Opportunity Finds Another Meteorite
Message-ID: <ad733150910030547i10b06bc3k7331cbb420c4fcb5@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/multimedia/mer20091002.html

Have a good weekend.
Mike


From grf2 at comcast.net  Sat Oct  3 08:59:41 2009
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:59:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	3, 2009
References: <337038.47612.qm@web113009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A32C41AEFA224D20876F87658825F3A2@ASUS>

Diamonds in the Sky

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Michael Johnson" <rocksfromspace at yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 12:00 AM
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 
3,2009

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From gsac at gmx.net  Sat Oct  3 10:17:31 2009
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:17:31 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	3, 2009
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References: <337038.47612.qm@web113009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_3_2009.html

Looks like a "bizarre cosmos" - colorful spots on dark background, mysterious and enigmatic! Great slides, thanks for sharing...

Alex
Berlin/Germany


From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Sat Oct  3 10:53:02 2009
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:53:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA- Opportunity Finds Another Meteorite
Message-ID: <21425693.1254581582891.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



Good morning List from Sin City,

This is a mind blower when one comprehends what's going on here. While many of us are out in the Earth's deserts looking for bits of Mars, our robots are on Mars looking for bits of the Earth. And both endeavors are highly successful. Wunderbar! 

Count Deiro 

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>Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA- Opportunity Finds Another Meteorite
>
>http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/multimedia/mer20091002.html
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Sat Oct  3 13:01:27 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:01:27 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA- Opportunity Finds Another Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <ad733150910030547i10b06bc3k7331cbb420c4fcb5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad733150910030547i10b06bc3k7331cbb420c4fcb5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC78367.8040207@meteoritesusa.com>

This is phenomenal!

2 meteorites in a very short period of time.

Awesome!

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA




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From fujmon at mac.com  Sat Oct  3 12:16:23 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 06:16:23 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay OktoberFestiFall auction
Message-ID: <00DE49AB-638B-474C-9930-5EDF3D3F1749@mac.com>

To mark the beginning of October (where has this year gone?), I have a  
few specimens from recent falls in auctions that end in less than an  
hour today Saturday, October 3 at 10:02 PDT.

Chergach 16.55g 99% FC w/ rollover lip
Bassikounou 11.57g 99% Fresh FC
Allende 9.10g 80% FC starting at $7.50/g!
Gao 15.62g 2-stone lot of complete cuties
Bilanga 2g crusted frag lot
... and other material including oriented uNWA, Wadi Melene, NWA CV3,  
and a RED olivine xenolith that is da Bomb!  There are still some  
great deals at low current bid levels.

http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=

Trust the Big Kahuna to provide the best quality meteorites at the  
lowest prices!

Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From roxfromspace at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 14:23:56 2009
From: roxfromspace at gmail.com (Phil Morgan)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:23:56 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speaking of chondrules...
Message-ID: <70baf8d20910031123h537b4d4fl84fe22fdd976c10b@mail.gmail.com>

Thought I'd a picture of a stone I cut this morning.

It's straight off the saw but thought it an interesting mixture of
chondrule sizes, metal, and porosity.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/postingpics/Newtype3.jpg

Regards to all,
Phil


From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 14:45:05 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:45:05 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speaking of chondrules...
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Hi Phil and List,

Interesting stone.  It looks slightly familiar to me - I cut a smaller
stone that had a similar matrix.

BTW - I apologize for not answering your last email - things have been
super-hectic around the house lately and I have fallen behind on my
emails.

It's a little hard to tell because of the lighting, but is the
predominate color of your matrix reddish and do many of the chondrules
have a bluish coloration to them?  And, do you see any brassy-colored
troilite mixed in with the usual metal flecks?

It reminds me of the specimen in the links below.  Except my smaller
stone didn't appear to be porous.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/odd%20stone/red-chondrules-troilite-2.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/odd%20stone/red-chondrules-troilite-close3.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/odd%20stone/red-chondrules-troilite.jpg

Best regards,

MikeG



On 10/3/09, Phil Morgan <roxfromspace at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thought I'd a picture of a stone I cut this morning.
>
> It's straight off the saw but thought it an interesting mixture of
> chondrule sizes, metal, and porosity.
>
> http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/postingpics/Newtype3.jpg
>
> Regards to all,
> Phil
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sat Oct  3 14:58:25 2009
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 03 Oct 2009 18:58:25 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speaking of chondrules...
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000520000409F@paulinet.de>

Phil wrote:

"It's straight off the saw but thought it an interesting
 mixture of chondrule sizes, metal, and porosity."

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/postingpics/Newtype3.jpg

Hi Phil, MikeG and List,

Your stone looks like Michael Cottingham's NWA 2380 (LL5) especially with
regard to its porosity although the FeNi in NWA 2380 is mostly oxidized so
there are just a few minor FeNi specks.

MikeG, yours looks more like an H chondrite as the chondrules seem to be very
small  ... maybe an H4 chondrite.

Best wishes,

Bernd



From aerubin at ucla.edu  Sat Oct  3 16:18:57 2009
From: aerubin at ucla.edu (aerubin at ucla.edu)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:18:57 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Re:  CAI and chondrules
In-Reply-To: <OF3A00B9A0.535A3956-ON85257643.0045335A@usgs.gov>
References: <20091001201649.269950@gmx.net>
	<OF3A00B9A0.535A3956-ON85257643.0045335A@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <20091003131857.500767nsmygttyo8@mail.ucla.edu>

Jeff brought up an important point on which that I would like to  
elaborate.  A few chondrules may sport a peculiar feature that may  
have important constraints on how those few chondrules formed. The  
problem is in generalizing.  I may feel that those few chondrules are  
a Rosetta Stone that have preserved important features that were  
erased in the vast majority of chondrules because of secondary  
processing.  Another researcher may feel that these peculiar features  
are just anomalies that have little bearing on the general problem.   
There may be no objective way around this other than finding  
additional examples or fitting the observations into a coherent model.  
  Let me give a specific example. Sasha Krot and I reported that a  
handful of chondrules have fine-grained matrix-like rims that are  
loaded with microchondrules.  No one disputes this observation.  I  
believe that these microchondrule-bearing objects are rare surviving  
representatives of a general process relating to chondrule formation.   
My inference is that, in many cases, after formaton, chondrules were  
surrounded by dustballs and that some highly localized flash-melting  
mechanism, perhaps akin to a lightning bolt, zapped the  
chondrule-dustball assemblage and caused melting of the chondrule  
surface (thereby forming droplets that solidified into  
microchondrules).  Other researchers are skeptical that the handful of  
chondrules with microchondrule-rich rims have anything to say about  
the general chondrule-forming process.  My idea fits into my scenario  
of how chondrule formation occurred.  Those who favor the model in  
which chondrules were produced in large-scale events involving gas  
dynamic shock waves would tend to dismiss these microchondrule-bearing  
chondrules as being a sideshow.  Who is right?  It depends on who you  
ask!












Quoting Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>:

> There are all kinds of controversies involved with this subject.   
> The observations themselves are rarely the problem.  It's how the  
> observations are interpreted that leads to the controversies!
>
> Turning observations into constraints on chondrule or CAI formation  
> always involves interpretation.  The first steps in forming these  
> constraints from observations of the natural systems usually  
> involve: (1) Arguing that the observations are of primary features  
> (as opposed to features formed by metamorphism, alteration, shock,  
> weathering, or other late processing) and, (2) arguing that the  
> observations do not reflect some kind of anomalous or unusual  
> special case, but are instead applicable to the general problem.  If  
> you can do that, then you have a primary constraint, namely that the  
> chondrule- or CAI-formation process has to be able to result in the  
> observed feature.  So, following some of what Alan said, he argues  
> that chondrule formation must be able to produce the observed rims.   
> I think nearly all researchers would agree with this statement.
>
> Where things get really messy is the next stage of the process.  For  
> example, one might make a list of all the processes that could  
> conceivably make these rims and try to rule out all but one.  Alan  
> has argued that they could only form by multiple heating events, and  
> therefore declare that another constraint on chondrule formation is  
> that it must be able to melt the objects multiple times.  But his  
> arguments to get to that constraint are complex and might be  
> questioned by other workers.  Another worker might look at the same  
> data and conclude that the rims could form by multiple accretion  
> events of material splashed from asteroidal impacts.  It is these  
> secondary constraints that are often highly controversial.
>
> Built on top of these constraints, as well as constraints provided  
> by astronomical observations, physics, and chemistry, are models for  
> the early solar system.  If the constraints on which the models are  
> built are really good, then the models may eventually approach  
> reality.  But these models are houses of cards. If the constraints  
> are weak, they will fall. When you ask for a definitive answer to  
> how chondrules or CAIs form, you are asking for the definitive early  
> solar system model.  At this time, there isn't one.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> At 04:16 PM 10/1/2009, Alexander Seidel wrote:
>> Sorry, I should have added: the observable facts don??t seem to be  
>> the problem here, but all the *CONSTRAINTS* on them involved, right  
>> Jeff?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> Datum: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:57:35 +0200
>> Von: "Alexander Seidel" <gsac at gmx.net>
>> An: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>>
>> From my layman??s perspective and point of view: isn??t it  
>> interesting to note that there is still **so much** controversy  
>> over chondrule formation, those little round objects which are so  
>> evident and very clearly visible in many of the meteorites in our  
>> collections, while at the very same time all the basic physical  
>> conditions and evolutionary laws even on small timescales seem to  
>> be quite well understood? But then again all the many empirical  
>> facts obviously still have to come under serious scrutiny to  
>> finally have, at best, sort of a "generally accepted truth" emerge:  
>> a mainstream theory of chondrule formation that will be agreed upon  
>> by most scientists - one of these days.
>>
>> Fascinating, especially in this era where many "basic" things seem  
>> to be understood! I??m excited to learn more about this, as time  
>> goes by... :-)
>>
>> Alex
>> Berlin/Germany
>>
>>
>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>>> Datum: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:52:08 -0400
>>> Von: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
>>> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>>
>>> I didn't say "we don't know cr*p"... I said there
>>> was not a definitive answer.  We know a lot about
>>> the timing, materials, and physical conditions
>>> needed to make chondrules and CAIs, and people
>>> have used these to make models for their
>>> formation.  But many of these constraints are
>>> under scrutiny right now, and some pretty basic
>>> things are still controversial.  What this means
>>> is... ok, we don't know cr*p.  But progress is being made.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> At 02:39 PM 10/1/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
>>> >Hi, Carl, Francesco, Jeff, List,
>>> >
>>> >Wrong, Carl. A good solid "We don't know
>>> >crap about this yet; it's all up in the air"
>>> >is the best kind of definitive answer.
>>> >
>>> >There are probably a half-dozen scenarios
>>> >for how this data came about and there's few
>>> >reasons to choose any one over the others.
>>> >
>>> >I was glad to hear Jeff confirm it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Sterling K. Webb
>>> >-----------------------------------------------------------
>>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl 's" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
>>> >To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> >Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:49 PM
>>> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] CAI and chondrules
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Ahhh! Good questions, Francesco. I had been
>>> >wondering about CAIs and chondrules myself. None
>>> >of the books I've read explains,how?
>>> >
>>> >Thanks also for your answer, Jeff. While not
>>> >definitive, it seems to be the only answer at this time. Thank you.
>>> >
>>> >Carl
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Jeff Grossman wrote:
>>> >>...
>>> >
>>> >Definitive answers to what caused the formation of CAIs and chondrules
>>> >are not known.
>>> >
>>> >_________________________________________________________________
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>>> US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
>>> 954 National Center
>>> Reston, VA 20192, USA
>>>
>>>
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sat Oct  3 16:25:52 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:25:52 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA- Opportunity Finds Another Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <4AC78367.8040207@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <20091003212552.MQFSH.472170.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Eric, All,

Perhaps it should not be too unexpected....after all if we find one meteorite here on earth the natural thing to do is to look for others nearby. Where there is one there are most likely others in an associated strewnfield.

Graham Ensor, UK

---- Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote: 
> This is phenomenal!
> 
> 2 meteorites in a very short period of time.
> 
> Awesome!
> 
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Groetz wrote:
> > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/multimedia/mer20091002.html
> >
> > Have a good weekend.
> > Mike
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From eddiegarza17 at mac.com  Sat Oct  3 17:10:03 2009
From: eddiegarza17 at mac.com (Eddie Garza)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:10:03 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strange Rock Reportshvvhox lbvcffi
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On Oct 2, 2009, at 7:43 PM, MEM <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello Mike, List, Meteorwrong Collectors,
>
> How many kilos do you want? This is a great meteorwrong specific to  
> Pennsylvania highways and railroads.  It makes great target material  
> for testing your meteorite hunting skills with a metal detector.  It  
> is not technically a "slag" as it is an intended bulk ore additive  
> made in that form for ease of shipping and charging blast furnaces.
>
> I believe it is what is known as "Giest Eisen" or "Eisen Giest"-- 
> Spirit iron*-- a cobalt/molybdenum -enriched, iron-ore stock made in  
> the 80 or 90s for the German steel industry by The New Jersey Zinc  
> Company(?) in Palmerton, PA( EPA Super Fund Top 10 and one of my  
> favorite collecting places for radioactive morsels).  The process  
> didn't have as much cobalt as specified(?) or other defect and whist  
> waiting for resolution, NJZC went out of the smelting business in  
> Palmerton.
>
> Bethlehem Steel may also have experimented with the mountains of  
> these which were left in limbo.  A lot of it found its way into road  
> bed filler.  It is magnetic, makes a metal detector sing soprano,  
> and as I said is a realistic acting meteorwrong.
>
> Palmerton's "claim" to fame was a perpetual toxic-fog inversion  
> overlying the town sited between two high ridges in a narrow  
> valley.  This killed the vegetation and left Palmertion looking like  
> a transplanted town from somewhere in Colorado or Utah. It also  
> killed the local residents in particularly persistent fogs.
>
> Elton
>
> * The origin of the name cobalt was attributed to its mysterious  
> nature which made smelting iron difficult or so I thought, but the  
> Wikipedia article gives a different slant.
>> From the Wikipedia article on cobalt's name origin:
> "The word cobalt is derived from the German "kobalt", from "kobold"  
> meaning "goblin", a term used for the ore of cobalt by miners. The  
> first attempts at smelting the cobalt ores to produce cobalt metal  
> failed, yielding cobalt(II) oxide instead. Also, because the primary  
> ores of cobalt always contain arsenic, smelting the ore oxidized  
> into the highly toxic and volatile oxide As4O6, which was inhaled by  
> workers".
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From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  3 18:21:21 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:21:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speaking of chondrules...
Message-ID: <BLU137-W35F189A5421DBD3B115E27D6D10@phx.gbl>


Mega chondrule! Here's a gorgeous UNWA (I suspect maybe an L4 or LL4 as it doesn't exhibit a very strong attraction to a magnet) I have, in as-found condition.. It has a huge 10 mm. BARRED chondrule. Think I should have it cut sometime..
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7896/bigchondrule.jpg

A PS of Caldwell that I got from Steve Arnold (of "Meteorite Men") a while ago - it has something on it that I'm not certain whether it's a chondrule or what... never seen anything quite like it.
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4028/calwell1.jpg

Mega chondrule! Here's a gorgeous UNWA (I suspect maybe an L4 or LL4 as
it doesn't exhibit a very strong attraction to a magnet) I have, in
as-found condition.. It has a huge 10 mm. BARRED chondrule. Think I
should have it cut sometime.. 

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7896/bigchondrule.jpg



A PS of Caldwell that I got from Steve Arnold (of "Meteorite Men") a
while ago - it has something on it that I'm not certain whether it's a
chondrule or what... never seen anything quite like it. 

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4028/calwell1.jpg



Regards
-----------
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IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
 
Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! 

----------------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:23:56 -0600
> From: roxfromspace at gmail.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Speaking of chondrules...
>
> Thought I'd a picture of a stone I cut this morning.
>
> It's straight off the saw but thought it an interesting mixture of
> chondrule sizes, metal, and porosity.
>
> http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/postingpics/Newtype3.jpg
>
> Regards to all,
> Phil
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sat Oct  3 18:45:42 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:45:42 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Vulcan, Canada
Message-ID: <9383FBA6552F4F629D9B6E1A730C4387@Bandli1>

Dear List:

If you are interested in purchasing some smaller pieces of the rare Vulcan
meteorite from Canada, please email me for details and to be put on a list.
I will have some pieces available very soon. The Vulcan originates from Rob
Elliott and no permits are required.

Cheers,

Mike Bandli
-----------------------------------
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www.HistoricMeteorites.com
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sat Oct  3 19:22:20 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 0:22:20 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Speaking of chondrules...
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-W35F189A5421DBD3B115E27D6D10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091004002220.8P812.474274.root@web01-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Wow Melanie,

Two great pieces....never seen anything like the second one...anyone out there know what it might be?

Graham UK

---- Melanie Matthews <spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Mega chondrule! Here's a gorgeous UNWA (I suspect maybe an L4 or LL4 as it doesn't exhibit a very strong attraction to a magnet) I have, in as-found condition.. It has a huge 10 mm. BARRED chondrule. Think I should have it cut sometime..
> http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7896/bigchondrule.jpg
> 
> A PS of Caldwell that I got from Steve Arnold (of "Meteorite Men") a while ago - it has something on it that I'm not certain whether it's a chondrule or what... never seen anything quite like it.
> http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4028/calwell1.jpg
> 
> Mega chondrule! Here's a gorgeous UNWA (I suspect maybe an L4 or LL4 as
> it doesn't exhibit a very strong attraction to a magnet) I have, in
> as-found condition.. It has a huge 10 mm. BARRED chondrule. Think I
> should have it cut sometime.. 
> 
> http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7896/bigchondrule.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> A PS of Caldwell that I got from Steve Arnold (of "Meteorite Men") a
> while ago - it has something on it that I'm not certain whether it's a
> chondrule or what... never seen anything quite like it. 
> 
> http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4028/calwell1.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> -----------
> Melanie 
> IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>  
> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! 
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:23:56 -0600
> > From: roxfromspace at gmail.com
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Speaking of chondrules...
> >
> > Thought I'd a picture of a stone I cut this morning.
> >
> > It's straight off the saw but thought it an interesting mixture of
> > chondrule sizes, metal, and porosity.
> >
> > http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/postingpics/Newtype3.jpg
> >
> > Regards to all,
> > Phil
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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Sat Oct  3 21:25:17 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:25:17 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection numbering inquiry
Message-ID: <E656E2FDEE894E9E888E0B8D980C6DC9@meteorroom>

Hello All,

Might anyone be familiar with either or both of the specimen numbering
applications (i.e. what collections they might have been associated with) in
the second image below?

http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Holbrook.htm

Trying to research some intermediate provenance on this piece, and any
insight would be much appreciated.

Thank you, and all best,

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 



From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 22:40:06 2009
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:40:06 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteor Video
Message-ID: <f0a794130910031940i4c1b10f9i8732b56f0cdde1eb@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List,

I recently came across a new video of the Mason Dixon Meteor. Its
technically not really new, but it was new to me and never published
to my knowledge. This video was taken by the York Water Company. I
recently contacted Jeff Hines, the president of York Water, about
doing a calibrated stellar survey of his original video. Through the
course of the conversation he let me know about his 2nd video. Its not
as sensational as the first but it does show a shadow cast from a tall
flag pole as well as several other smaller shadows. If you are
interested in more info or the high res version please contact me off
list.

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/newly-acquired-meteor-video/

Thanks,

Mike Hankey
http://www.mikesastrophotos.com


From nightsky55 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 23:30:44 2009
From: nightsky55 at gmail.com (Bob King)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:30:44 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fallen Star by Christopher Cokinos -- a short
	review
Message-ID: <99c1e91a0910032030n3bf1a14bufba488e2548c8763@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
I just finished reading Christopher Cokinos' book on his meteorite
adventures called Fallen Star and can thoroughly recommend it. He
takes us on a series of adventures starting with Ellis Hughes and the
Willamette meteorite before heading to Kansas to meet the sharp-eyed
Eliza Kimberly of Brenham pallasite fame. In the next chapter  we
follow the trail of explorer Robert Peary and his quest for the
Greenland meteorites used for centuries by the local Inuit. We get to
know the cigar-smoking, risk-taking  Daniel Barringer and his Meteor
Crater and spend a night at a chateau where Biot came looking for
meteorites after the  L'Aigle fall. Along the way there's Ensisheim,
Acraman Crater in Australia, the Tuscon show (he liked the folks he
met and mentioned something about the Reed brothers firing a potato
gun.), the Ries impact site in Germany and finally Antarctica, where
Cokinos joined the ANSMET team to hunt for meteorites.

The author has a very introspective style and writes eloquently. He's
also done his research and gone back to the original documents and
other sources to unearth fascinating tidbits about the people who hunt
or are otherwise involved in the pursuit of space rocks. The section
on Harvey Nininger is a miniature biography spanning more than 75
pages. We learn Nininger caught turtles, grabbed skunks, trapped bees,
and pursued ants as a boy. Bob Haag once replaced the fried chicken he
bought at a drive-in with a real, live chick and returned to the
restaurant to tell the clerk the food wasn't cooked completely.

What I like was how Cokinos could tell a story as if he were actually
present at the meteorite falls. In the Sylacauga, Alabama fall, you
can tell he's looked at old black and white photos of the scene and
pulled out little details like the floral wallpaper in the Hodges'
house to give you a sense of being there. My favorite chapter was his
journey to Greenland to find the old resting spots of the Tent, the
Woman and the Dog meteorites. You'll be amazed at what's still there.
Honestly, I wanted to get up and go to Thule after reading it.
While the tone of the book is generally introspective, Cokinos has a
knack for blunt, brutally honest observations about himself and his
subjects (though with respect) and tosses in choice bits of humor. My
favorite for laughs was his arrival at McMurdo Station in Antarctica
where he captures all the irony and dry humor you'd expect from a
bunch of specialists huddled together at the bottom of the globe.
After the plane lands, the author and his comrades find themselves
"ushered into a high-clearance van, hot-rod red and pimped up with
mondo tires and an overactive hearter." Or how about the sign on a
dorm room door: "Do Not Disturb, We Gettin' the Freak On" and finally,
the "Team Beating" (typo??) on the schedule he and his team were
handed upon their arrival at "Mactown" (McMurdo).

You'll learn the basics about meteorites, asteroids and all our
favorite characters whose lives were deeply touched by space rocks.
You'll also become privy to Cokinos' failed marriage and his
relationship with another woman. At first I thought his ongoing
mention of these relationships would be a distraction, but I came to
see they were part of an important journey for him that ultimately led
to redemption. In any case, the wife-girlfriend mentions are a small
part of this book. You'll have to read the whole book to see how the
author managed to relate his personal struggles with the passions of
meteorite collectors and hunters. I admire Cokinos not only for his
scholarly expertise and enjoyable writing style but his courage in
baring his soul. He's a frail human just like the rest of us but man,
can he tell a story.

Thanks,
Bob


From nightsky55 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 23:41:57 2009
From: nightsky55 at gmail.com (Bob King)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:41:57 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Whoops! Sorry -- book title error
Message-ID: <99c1e91a0910032041h26044674q99c32a9fdbebf753@mail.gmail.com>

A little embarrassed here. The correct and full title of Christopher
Cokinos book is The Fallen Sky, An Intimate History of Shooting Stars

Bob


From rocksfromspace at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 00:05:33 2009
From: rocksfromspace at yahoo.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:05:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 4,
	2009
Message-ID: <430039.85425.qm@web113013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_4_2009.html



      



From msgmeteorites at googlemail.com  Sun Oct  4 03:58:23 2009
From: msgmeteorites at googlemail.com (martin goff)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:58:23 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Very RARE Morristown mesosiderite slice for sale
Message-ID: <2b6f707d0910040058r20cbed85r9c01924fae60450c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have a specimen of the very rare Morristown mesosiderite from
Tennessee available for sale. It is a lovely slice weighing 17.5 grams
and comes originally from Al Lang (and comes with his ID card) The
slice shows large metal blebs and a dark black matrix, a really nice
looking specimen and not commonly seen for sale. So all you collectors
out there now is your chance to add a very rare one to your
collection! Found in 1887!! It is up on a buy it now on ebay (see
following link)

(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250507347359&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT)

But i am open to offers off ebay, so if you interested please contact me offlist

Kind regards

Martin


From gracie at sheverb.com  Sun Oct  4 10:55:21 2009
From: gracie at sheverb.com (gracie)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:55:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteor Video
In-Reply-To: <f0a794130910031940i4c1b10f9i8732b56f0cdde1eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f0a794130910031940i4c1b10f9i8732b56f0cdde1eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56545.70.171.37.236.1254668121.squirrel@www.sheverb.com>

Wow. You can almost make out the reflection of the meteor in the skylights
on top of that building!


> Dear List,
>
> I recently came across a new video of the Mason Dixon Meteor. Its
> technically not really new, but it was new to me and never published
> to my knowledge. This video was taken by the York Water Company. I
> recently contacted Jeff Hines, the president of York Water, about
> doing a calibrated stellar survey of his original video. Through the
> course of the conversation he let me know about his 2nd video. Its not
> as sensational as the first but it does show a shadow cast from a tall
> flag pole as well as several other smaller shadows. If you are
> interested in more info or the high res version please contact me off
> list.
>
> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/newly-acquired-meteor-video/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Hankey
> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  4 12:58:29 2009
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:58:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteor Video
Message-ID: <19418705.1254675509852.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I have no advanced skills in the mathematical sciences to do this...but I know some on the List do... and that would be to take the shadow on the roof cast by those lovely 90 and 180 degree (they are obviously plumb and level) chimneys and use that for calculation of the path of the fall. They are as good as a surveyor's instrument.

Count Deiro  

-----Original Message-----
>From: gracie <gracie at sheverb.com>
>Sent: Oct 4, 2009 10:55 AM
>To: Mike Hankey <mike.hankey at gmail.com>
>Cc: meteoritelist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteor Video
>
>Wow. You can almost make out the reflection of the meteor in the skylights
>on top of that building!
>
>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> I recently came across a new video of the Mason Dixon Meteor. Its
>> technically not really new, but it was new to me and never published
>> to my knowledge. This video was taken by the York Water Company. I
>> recently contacted Jeff Hines, the president of York Water, about
>> doing a calibrated stellar survey of his original video. Through the
>> course of the conversation he let me know about his 2nd video. Its not
>> as sensational as the first but it does show a shadow cast from a tall
>> flag pole as well as several other smaller shadows. If you are
>> interested in more info or the high res version please contact me off
>> list.
>>
>> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/newly-acquired-meteor-video/
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike Hankey
>> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com
>> ______________________________________________
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>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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>
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sun Oct  4 16:13:10 2009
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 04 Oct 2009 20:13:10 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Melanie's Caldwell "Inclusion"
Message-ID: <DIIE.00000087000040A5@paulinet.de>

Melanie wrote:

PS of Caldwell that I got from Steve Arnold (of "Meteorite Men") a while ago
- it has something on it that I'm not certain whether it's a chondrule or what...
never seen anything quite like it. 

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4028/calwell1.jpg 

Hi Melanie, Graham, Alan and List,

That's surely an odd "inclusion". No idea what we are looking at but Caldwell
was reclassified by Alan Rubin as an L chondrite impact-melt breccia. Alan is
a list member so, maybe, he can shed some light on it. Any input would really
be greatly appreciated because curious mind want to know!

Best wishes,

Bernd



From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 16:20:41 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:20:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Great meteorites!!
Message-ID: <71499.11844.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all,

I just listed many really nice meteorites on ebay.
Some great buys on some great meteorites.

As always, 10% off listed price for sales off ebay.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1

Thanks for looking,

Greg C.
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com


 


      


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 22:19:26 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:19:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] still llooking for riker boxes
Message-ID: <241696.56229.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I have scoured the pages for riker boxes.Ebay has nothing!I need 15 4 x 5 riker boxes.If anyone can help me it would be appreciated.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 


From tett at rogers.com  Sun Oct  4 22:35:48 2009
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:35:48 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] still llooking for riker boxes
In-Reply-To: <241696.56229.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <241696.56229.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AC95B84.2060007@rogers.com>

Steve,

Get in touch with Mike Jensen.

http://www.jensenmeteorites.com/

Mike T.

steve arnold wrote:
> Hi list.I have scoured the pages for riker boxes.Ebay has nothing!I need 15 4 x 5 riker boxes.If anyone can help me it would be appreciated.
>  Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Sun Oct  4 22:51:55 2009
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:51:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteoroid question
Message-ID: <a5e5b71865de032216596dbd0545cfec.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi all:

I am involved with a teacher professional development workshop this week
and the teachers give us questions that they hope we can answer for them.
I am fine with most of them (such is Pluto a planet?), but I figured that,
before I give them a partially correct answer, I would ask the experts out
there for their responses:

What is the rate at which things burn up when they enter Earth?s atmosphere?

About how much material is burned up (mass per unit time)?

Along that same idea, for a "typical" chondritic meteoroid, what is the
minimum size that you might expect to make it through the atmosphere and
land as a meteorite? Ballpark is fine since, clearly there are many
factors involved (initial velocity, angle of entry, material strength
etc.).

Thanks in advance.

Larry



From mikewren at gilanet.com  Sun Oct  4 23:16:45 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:16:45 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Can't Seem To Stay Away- 10 Day Auction Run
	Started- I really Believe You Need To Know About This Set!
Message-ID: <7B81CDE5-B971-452A-8184-917F32D2DC35@gilanet.com>



Hello,


All Auctions Here:


> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham


From mmurray at montrose.net  Sun Oct  4 23:31:50 2009
From: mmurray at montrose.net (Michael Murray)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:31:50 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteoroid question
In-Reply-To: <a5e5b71865de032216596dbd0545cfec.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
References: <a5e5b71865de032216596dbd0545cfec.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <92D18151-684C-4A2B-8919-744355FB1F0A@montrose.net>

  I'm certainly not any authority or expert but since you were asking  
for a ballpark, I'll toss this answer in on the second question...   
Judging from the pieces I have found using my magnets, I believe the  
minimum size of survivors graduates up from the barely visible and  
possibly the microscopic.
Mike in CO




On Oct 4, 2009, at 8:51 PM, lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> I am involved with a teacher professional development workshop this  
> week
> and the teachers give us questions that they hope we can answer for  
> them.
> I am fine with most of them (such is Pluto a planet?), but I figured  
> that,
> before I give them a partially correct answer, I would ask the  
> experts out
> there for their responses:
>
> What is the rate at which things burn up when they enter Earth?s  
> atmosphere?
>
> About how much material is burned up (mass per unit time)?
>
> Along that same idea, for a "typical" chondritic meteoroid, what is  
> the
> minimum size that you might expect to make it through the atmosphere  
> and
> land as a meteorite? Ballpark is fine since, clearly there are many
> factors involved (initial velocity, angle of entry, material strength
> etc.).
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Larry
>
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From scientificlifestyle at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  4 23:47:09 2009
From: scientificlifestyle at hotmail.com (Pat Brown)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:47:09 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteoroid question
In-Reply-To: <a5e5b71865de032216596dbd0545cfec.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
References: <a5e5b71865de032216596dbd0545cfec.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <BLU117-W211A83609B1CD577FCEEF1BDCF0@phx.gbl>


Hello Larry and the List, 

This is an interesting and very commonly asked question that I have been asked in talks to school kids etc. I have tried to make it through Opik _Physics of Meteor Flight in the Atmosphere_. However, it is far too easy to get bogged down in the math. 

OK, that said; this engineer's guess is 

* An incoming velocity range of 15,000 to 25,000 gives an kinetic energy range of 2.8:1

* The entry angle could affect the time of incandescent flight as well. The ratio of 90 deg to almost zero deg could be a 2:1 ratio as well

* Even if we limit ourselves to Chondrites, and assumed a constant speed and entry angle, the range of internal strength of the material is an important part of the answer. I tell the kids that the range of strength of the stone meteorites  ranges from almost dirt clod weak (e.g. Bjurbole, Tagish Lake) where the survival percentage is perhaps 99% of mass loss. At the other end is a strong ordinary chondrite without internal cracks and little or no shock that could be in the 50% mass loss range. As an average, I have been telling the kids that basketball in space equils softball size when it reaches the surface. [For our international friends a basket ball is 0.74 meters in circumference and a softball is 0.30 meters in circumference.]

Please do let us know what you get for answers from Rob Matson and the rest of the List. 

Best Regards, 
?????????? Pat Brown

----------------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:51:55 -0700
> From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] meteoroid question
>
> Hi all:
>
> I am involved with a teacher professional development workshop this week
> and the teachers give us questions that they hope we can answer for them.
> I am fine with most of them (such is Pluto a planet?), but I figured that,
> before I give them a partially correct answer, I would ask the experts out
> there for their responses:
>
> What is the rate at which things burn up when they enter Earth?s atmosphere?
>
> About how much material is burned up (mass per unit time)?
>
> Along that same idea, for a "typical" chondritic meteoroid, what is the
> minimum size that you might expect to make it through the atmosphere and
> land as a meteorite? Ballpark is fine since, clearly there are many
> factors involved (initial velocity, angle of entry, material strength
> etc.).
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Larry
>
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From rocksfromspace at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  5 00:03:23 2009
From: rocksfromspace at yahoo.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:03:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 5,
	2009
Message-ID: <839187.48466.qm@web113016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_5_2009.html



      



From piebear at cox.net  Mon Oct  5 00:19:17 2009
From: piebear at cox.net (Arlene Schlazer)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:19:17 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	5, 2009
In-Reply-To: <839187.48466.qm@web113016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <839187.48466.qm@web113016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9AB47E535EAD4365AC06A4101125D6D8@PiePC>

Hi Jim,
Now that is one amazing piece....has to be the best I've seen yet!  (next to 
the one in the tree, that is!!)  Best regards, Arlene
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To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 
5,2009


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From edeckert at triad.rr.com  Mon Oct  5 00:24:44 2009
From: edeckert at triad.rr.com (Ed Deckert)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:24:44 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	5, 2009
References: <839187.48466.qm@web113016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002d01ca4573$c422c8d0$6401a8c0@EdDeckertMain>

Beautiful specimen.  Wow!  The flow lines remind me of the "Beatles" hairdo 
from their early days.  LOL.

Ed

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From mojave_meteorites at cox.net  Mon Oct  5 03:49:20 2009
From: mojave_meteorites at cox.net (Rob Matson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:49:20 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] High-flying Skip Wilson
In-Reply-To: <a5e5b71865de032216596dbd0545cfec.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMKEBEDPAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>

Hi All,

I'm sure many of you are aware of the impressive systematic
meteorite recovery field work that Skip Wilson has carried
out for over 40 years. On the recommendation of Rob Reisener,
and with his assistance in drafting the citation, we present:

<http://scully.cfa.harvard.edu/~cgi/ShowCitation.COM?num=195998>

(195998) Skipwilson = 2002 RO235
     Ivan "Skip" Wilson (b. 1941) is a pioneer of systematic meteorite
recovery.  He has found over 100 distinct meteorites in the blowouts of
eastern New Mexico since 1966, and he witnessed and recovered the 1998
Portales Valley fall.  He has coauthored papers about meteorite accumulation
rates and pairing.

Epoch 2010 Jan. 4.0 TT = JDT 2455200.5              MPC
M  50.36155          (2000.0)          P             Q
n   0.17917191  Peri.   95.37423  +0.30118054  -0.94906225  T =
2454919.42051 JDT
a   3.1161816   Node   336.44568  +0.75715229  +0.29703306  q = 2.5115639
e   0.1940252   Incl.   13.39554  +0.57966430  +0.10512950
P   5.50        H   14.7         G   0.15           U   1
>From 91 observations at 5 oppositions, 1991-2008, mean residual 0".58.

Last observed on 2009 Sept. 27.
Discovery date : 2002 09 01
Discovery site : Haleakala
Discoverer(s) : Matson, R.

Congratulations Skip!

Best wishes,
Rob



From info at tektiteinc.com  Mon Oct  5 06:30:09 2009
From: info at tektiteinc.com (info at tektiteinc.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:30:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?iso-8859-1?q?AD_=96_ENDING_Australite_Flanged_?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?Button_=26_MORE_Manila_Flood_P__ictures?=
Message-ID: <60381.127.0.0.1.1254738609.squirrel@syd-srv07.ezyreg.com>

Hello all,

Just a reminder that this auction will be ending in about a days time so
please have a look if you're interested.

I've also added more Manila Flooding pictures. PLease see the link below
and thanks.

Cheers
Des

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: AD  ? Australite Flanged Button & Manila Flood Pictures
From:    info at tektiteinc.com
Date:    Wed, September 30, 2009 12:58 am
To:      meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello all,

Sorry for not replying to some emails because we have been busy cleaning
the house after the terrible floods on Saturday in Manila.

Also we didn?t have any electricity or phones both land lines and cell.
Please see the link below for some pictures if you?re interested.

http://tektiteinc.com/manilafloods.html

Please also check out this video taken from a University nearby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6nkxVaydmY

However, things are finally getting back to normal now.

Anyways, please visit my ebay shop for a nice Australite button Im putting
up for sale. You can also see this specimen on my site by clicking on the
link below:

http://tektiteinc.com/forsale.html

Cheers,
Desmond Leong
IMCA #2254
http://www.TektiteInc.com
http://stores.ebay.com/Tektite-Inc
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtektiteinc-dot-com




From schroer at bigpond.com  Mon Oct  5 09:03:54 2009
From: schroer at bigpond.com (W&S Schroer)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:33:54 +1030
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Australite flanged button
Message-ID: <DA30E978B8C742C0B710D24D05B18B11@WERNER>

Hi list,

I have a nice Australite - 'flanged button' -  listed on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Australite-Flanged-Button-Tektite-Meteorite-3-7-grams_W0QQitemZ260486695322QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_15?hash=item3ca637899a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Make a reasonable offer and you might be surprised.

Cheers

Werner Schroer



From wahlperry at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 10:18:33 2009
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:18:33 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] High-flying Skip Wilson
In-Reply-To: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMKEBEDPAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>
Message-ID: <8CC13DDDB1680D4-227C-2F86F@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com>

Hi All,

What an achievement, over 100 different meteorites from the USA. A well 
deserved honor for his accomplishments.

Congratulations Skip!



-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Matson <mojave_meteorites at cox.net>
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:49 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] High-flying Skip Wilson






Hi All,

I'm sure many of you are aware of the impressive systematic
meteorite recovery field work that Skip Wilson has carried
out for over 40 years. On the recommendation of Rob Reisener,
and with his assistance in drafting the citation, we present:

<http://scully.cfa.harvard.edu/~cgi/ShowCitation.COM?num=195998>

(195998) Skipwilson = 2002 RO235
     Ivan "Skip" Wilson (b. 1941) is a pioneer of systematic meteorite
recovery.  He has found over 100 distinct meteorites in the blowouts of
eastern New Mexico since 1966, and he witnessed and recovered the 1998
Portales Valley fall.  He has coauthored papers about meteorite 
accumulation
rates and pairing.

Epoch 2010 Jan. 4.0 TT = JDT 2455200.5              MPC
M  50.36155          (2000.0)          P             Q
n   0.17917191  Peri.   95.37423  +0.30118054  -0.94906225  T =
2454919.42051 JDT
a   3.1161816   Node   336.44568  +0.75715229  +0.29703306  q = 
2.5115639
e   0.1940252   Incl.   13.39554  +0.57966430  +0.10512950
P   5.50        H   14.7         G   0.15           U   1
>From 91 observations at 5 oppositions, 1991-2008, mean residual 0".58.

Last observed on 2009 Sept. 27.
Discovery date : 2002 09 01
Discovery site : Haleakala
Discoverer(s) : Matson, R.

Congratulations Skip!

Best wishes,
Rob

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From grf2 at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 10:51:47 2009
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:51:47 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	5, 2009
References: <839187.48466.qm@web113016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1F92A50838C04B37A2EA3945D364D383@ASUS>

Paint a face on that one!

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Michael Johnson" <rocksfromspace at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:03 AM
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 
5,2009

> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_5_2009.html
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From aerubin at ucla.edu  Mon Oct  5 11:51:12 2009
From: aerubin at ucla.edu (Alan Rubin)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:51:12 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation
References: <579489.50682.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT117-W36765BE3FBA98AF8AD6E4BD2D20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E027ECDE19D045A8A4D3EDA6F7BA9D94@SINOITE>

The question was raised if chondrules occur in achondrites or moon rocks. 
If you look back at papers from 1970 - 1972, there are reports of "lunar 
chondrules" found in the first returned Apollo samples.  These "chondrules," 
as nearly everyone acknowledges, are millimeter-size impact-melt spherules 
produced after collisions of meteorites with the lunar surface.  Some folks 
think that chondrules in chondrites also formed this way, but most chondrule 
researchers believe that chondrules were formed as isolated droplets in the 
solar nebula.  If this is correct, then after being melted, they would have 
cooled quickly because there was little or no insulating material around 
them.  Only later would these chondrules accrete along with CAIs, matrix, 
metal and sulfide assemblages, etc. to form planetesimals which later 
accreted into larger bodies.  If chondrules indeed formed as isolated 
droplets in the nebula, then if the planetesimals into which they 
subsequently accreted ever melted, then the chondrules would also melt and 
the textural evidence for them would be forever erased.
Alan Rubin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Stanley" <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
To: <epgrondine at yahoo.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation



Hello All:

I had a thought:

It seems to me that chondrules are prevalent in meteorites blasted from 
asteroidal bodies and not from planetary bodies. For example, do chondrules 
exist (or have been found) on any meteorites from the moon, mars or maybe 
from Mercury (Angrites?)? Now I understand that these are called 
achondrites, and thus they do not have chondrules, but it seems that 
chondrites are only from asteroidal bodies (or perhaps comets). With that 
said, maybe there is a relationship between formation of rock without 
gravity (or a very small amount of gravity); chondrules form initially 
during the formation of the solar system, and then later over millions of 
years are altered on planetary bodies under a gravitational force.

Just my two cents worth.

Greg S.

----------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:58:02 -0700
> From: epgrondine at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation
>
> Hi all -
>
> "We don't know crap..." Hey!, who stole my line?
>
> But that's okay, I can come up with another one:
> We don't know crap about the impact hazard,
> and NASA senior managers know less than that.
>
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
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From lgarvie at asu.edu  Mon Oct  5 12:10:10 2009
From: lgarvie at asu.edu (Laurence Garvie)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:10:10 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 	October	5,
	2009
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Message-ID: <028414EE-7B2C-4941-A132-C71B6F10BBEE@asu.edu>

Wonderful oriented Sikhote-Alin. That would look fabulous in a  
museum ...

Laurence Garvie
CMS
ASU


>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:03:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Johnson <rocksfromspace at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
> 	October 5,	2009
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> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_5_2009.html
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>



From jkg2 at cox.net  Mon Oct  5 12:23:23 2009
From: jkg2 at cox.net (John Gwilliam)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:23:23 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Two Metal Detectors, Microscope and more.
Message-ID: <20091005162330.FDRQ11920.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>

Good morning List members,

I have a few items I'm selling off at great prices.

First, I have two White's Goldmaster V/sat metal detectors. Both are 
used but in fine working condition. One has the standard small 
elliptical coil - $150.

The second V/sat has the much larger (searches deeper) Gold Max coil 
plus the original small coil - $200.

MBC-10 microscope with all the goodies that come with it plus a Tobin 
polarizer, two camera mounts and a neat little arm that you can mount 
a small LED light (like a Mini Maglite) to the mast. $270.

A signed copy of The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites that 
contains lots of autographs of many of the meteorite crowd that 
showed up at the Tucson Show 2005 - $190 or best offer or the next 
couple of days. See pictures here of this book here: 
<http://www.johngwilliam.com/autographedbook.htm>

And last, a copy of Catalog of Meteorites Fifth Edition with CD and 
in excellent + condition. $75.00

Paypal preferred.  USA sales/shipping only.

buyer(s) to pay reasonable packing and shipping costs.

Regards and Thanks,

John Gwilliam
602-509-4343



Best Regards,
John Gwilliam

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gives it a superficial appearance of being right.
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Regards,

John Gwilliam

Some people are born on third base
and go through life thinking they hit a triple.
                                              [Bob Dylan]  



From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  5 14:06:40 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:06:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Auctions Ending-Limited Inventory Left
Message-ID: <367270.87998.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,
 
I have several good auctions ending this afternoon and tomorrow. I started 
these out at just 99 cents and many do not have bids yet. I am running very low 
on sales inventory with no good way to replace it so you may want to take 
advantage of some serious bargains while they still exist.  Most of these items 
have been selling below my costs!
 
The Saharan supply is perhaps 1/10th of what it was just five years ago by weight and 
the Moroccan dealers have raised their prices accordingly, beyond what the more 
rare American finds can be had for.   This means I will be spending more time in 
the field searching material for myself as it is not cost effective to purchase 
it any more.

My Martian pieces have been selling far below what it would cost to replace 
them at current prices.  You may want to take advantage of this while limited 
supplies last.
 
This is the best time to look for bargains!

All Auctions Can Be 
Found At This link:
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ


Thank 
you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.


Best 
Regards,

------------------------------------
Adam Hupe
The Hupe 
Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
raremeteorites at yahoo.com 


From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Mon Oct  5 14:51:34 2009
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:51:34 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!
Message-ID: <OF85E25617.9ADBB25C-ON85257646.00679CC2@usgs.gov>

For your amusement:

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/NameThatMeteorite.php

Jeff

Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
954 National Center
Reston, VA 20192, USA




From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct  5 15:23:42 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:23:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Prospecting: Probe Ready to Touch Moon Water
Message-ID: <200910051923.n95JNg7U011748@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.spaceflightnow.com/lcross/091005preview/

Lunar prospecting: Probe ready to touch moon water
BY STEPHEN CLARK 
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
October 5, 2009

An enterprising robotic explorer will smash into the lunar frontier
Friday in search of water ice hidden deep inside the darkest corners of
the moon, spewing hundreds of thousands of pounds of dust high above the
surface in a celestial event visible from Earth.

Just four minutes will decide the outcome of three years of
preparations, four months of space travel, and a $79 million investment
put into the bold mission.

Four minutes is the time that nine science instruments on the LCROSS
probe will be able to directly study a cloud of dust thrown high above
the moon by the impact of an empty Centaur rocket stage.

LCROSS is "a very exciting mission culminating in a real crescendo
event," said Dan Andrews, the project manager from NASA's Ames Research
Center at Moffett Field, Calif.

The sensors will scan the debris for the chemical signature of water,
providing definitive proof for a decade-old hypothesis that ice exists
on Earth's inhospitable companion.

The Clementine and Lunar Prospector missions of the 1990s sensed
elevated levels of hydrogen at the moon's poles. Scientists believed the
hydrogen was from trapped water ice. The high concentrations were
centered on permanently shadowed craters, lightless meteor impact sites
that are unimagineably cold.

"And by cold, I mean cold," says Tony Colaprete, the mission's principal
investigator from Ames.

According to scientists, temperatures at the bottoms of the craters
could be as low as -240 degrees Celsius, or -400 degrees Fahrenheit. At
those temperatures, water tends to freeze instead of sublimating into
gas, Colaprete said.

"At the poles, the sun never comes more than a degree-and-a-half or so
above the horizon, so the crater rims can constantly shadow the crater
floors," Colaprete said.

The time scales are just as mind-boggling.

"There are portions of the crater floors that are in permanent shadow.
They could have been permanently shadowed for a billion or two billion
years, maybe more," Colaprete said.

Data from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, a counterpart to the LCROSS
mission, have independently verified the presence of hydrogen, even
hinting the potential water ice was more widespread than earlier thought.

Scientists also announced last month that three spacecraft found
evidence of water in lunar regions previously thought unable to support it.

Those recent findings have set the stage for an experiment to "reach out
and touch the water," said Mike Wargo, chief lunar scientist from NASA's
exploration directorate.

If LCROSS proves water resides on the moon, it could be a boon for
engineers in the early stages of planning for a human return to the
lunar surface.

"It's certainly intriguing to know that there might be water deposits in
places where you could go and live off the land versus bringing that
water from Earth," said Todd May, the lunar robotic precursor program
manager at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala.

Water could not only help quench the thirst of astronauts, but also
supply oxygen, electricity and even rocket propellant for the return
trip to Earth.

NASA says the latest estimates predict impact at exactly 1131:30 GMT
(7:31:30 a.m. EDT) Friday morning. That time could shift by a few
seconds based on new navigation solutions in the coming days.

Scientists have tapped Cabeus crater for the cosmic collision, a
60-mile-wide depression near the moon's south pole.

Cabeus was the subject of a late crater switch announced last week based
on a recent analysis of results from LRO and Japan's Kaguya spacecraft.

The LCROSS shepherding spacecraft, a six-sided platform built by
Northrop Grumman Corp. using off-the-shelf parts, has been towing the
Atlas 5 rocket's Centaur upper stage through deep space since its launch
on June 18.

Having been drained of its propellant and safed shortly after launch,
the 41-foot-long, 10-foot-wide inert Centaur has a mass comparable to a
large sports utility vehicle, according to Andrews.

The two vehicles will part ways at about 0150 GMT Friday (9:50 p.m. EDT
Thursday), according to NASA.

After separating from the Centaur, the shepherding satellite will fire
its engines to back away from the rocket. Lunar gravity will be pulling
both objects toward the moon.

"We burn some propellant and decelerate our inevitable acceleration into
the moon to buy us time between the two impacts," Andrews said.

The probe will open up to a distance of nearly 400 miles from the
Centaur, equivalent to about four minutes of flight time between the
vehicles.

That will give the shepherding satellite enough time for its
make-or-break chance to detect iron-clad evidence of water inside Cabeus.

When the Centaur slams into the moon at 5,600 mph, it will excavate more
than 350 metric tons of lunar regolith, throwing some of the material up
to six miles above the surface and 30 miles away from the impact site.

At that altitude, the debris will be exposed to sunlight and illuminated
for the first time in ages.

Scientists expect the Centaur to leave a crater some 66 feet wide and 13
feet deep.

The Centaur will strike the moon nearly head-on, a much steeper angle
than earlier impacts. The Lunar Prospector, SMART 1 and Kaguya probes
ended their missions with controlled crashes at much lower angles,
limiting the potential for valuable science data.

Also rapidly plummeting to its own sacrificial impact, the shepherding
spacecraft will spend the mission's four-minute climax giving scientists
an up close view of what is inside the polar craters.

Nine instruments, including five cameras, will be collecting data and
beaming the information live back to ground controllers stationed at Ames.

A video camera provided by Ecliptic Enterprises Corp. will capture live
video and downlink the imagery at a few frames per second.

Four more near-infrared and mid-infrared cameras will also monitor the
debris cloud, gathering more detailed data on the thermal properties of
the ejecta and looking for signs of water. Those imagers were built by
Goodrich Sensors Unlimited, Thermoteknix Ltd. and the Indigo unit of
FLIR Systems Inc.

Three spectrometers attached to telescopes will be the workhorses of the
instrument suite to determine the precise composition of the lunar dust.
Colaprete said their results will be the most definitive of the mission.

A photometer aboard LCROSS will also measure the brightness of the
Centaur's fiery impact about 1,000 times per second, creating a
highly-detailed light curve of the luminance of the flash.

The mission's entire catalog of data will be streamed live to the
science operations center because the LCROSS probe is destined for its
own smaller destructive crash.

"There's nothing left of LCROSS when it's done, just the data that was
sent out," Andrews said.

The shepherding spacecraft should strike the moon at 1135:45 GMT
(7:35:45 a.m. EDT), according to early estimates.

"The impact sounds spectacular, and it will be. But you have to consider
impacts of this size hit the moon three or four times a month,
essentially once a week," Colaprete said. "What's unique about the
LCROSS impact is we know exactly where and when, so we can actually get
and coordinate all of these eyes to look at it."

Those eyes not only include LCROSS, but also instruments on LRO, the
Hubble Space Telescope, and the Earth Observing 1 technology
demonstration satellite. Sweden's Odin radio astronomy satellite and the
commercial GeoEye spacecraft, primarily used for Earth imagery, will
also turn toward the moon for supplemental observations.

A network of telescopes on Earth will also play a critical role.

The W.M. Keck Observatory, Gemini North Telescope and Infrared Telescope
Facility in Hawaii are slated to study the ejecta plume when it comes
into view. Other facilities in California, Arizona and New Mexico are
also primary participants in the impact event.

In addition to other international observatories, officials have put
together a loosely-organized group of amateur astronomers and watch
parties to collect extra data and engage the public.

Mission planners timed and positioned the impact to be in view of much
of the United States. Observers west of the Mississippi River will be
most favored.

Weather permitting, modest telescopes with apertures of 10 to 12 inches
could catch a glimpse of the stream of rock and possible ice thrown into
space by the event.

The LCROSS impact will also occur with a nearly full moon high in the
skies of the ground observation sites, maximizing their potential
scientific return.

LCROSS, which stands for the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing
Satellite, was chosen from 19 proposals to fill extra space on the Atlas
5 rocket that was to launch the much larger LRO mission.

Officials announced LCROSS would join the LRO launch in 2006. The
missions finally got underway three years later.

LRO entered orbit around the moon four days after launch, while LCROSS
and the attached Centaur swung by the moon into an ultra-high Earth
orbit to wait for its much more dramatic lunar appointment.

The spacecraft is fine-tuning its trajectory toward the moon with a
series of small thruster firings. Two more burns are planned before the
satellite releases the Centaur, and a third burn called a braking
maneuver will back the probe away from the rocket body.

A software glitch in August caused the craft to burn nearly half of its
propellant, putting the probe in jeopardy for a few weeks until
controllers could ensure a similar problem would not doom the mission.

"Having survived this test and emerged with the moon and full mission
success still in our sights was quite an accomplishment," said Paul
Tompkins, an LCROSS flight director, in a blog posting Sunday.


From GeoZay at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 15:20:31 2009
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:20:31 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!
Message-ID: <d2b.59492d34.37fba0ff@aol.com>

>>For your amusement:<<

Hey  that's fun...thanks, this will help. However, I'm learning that I'm a 
little  dummer than a rock. But in my defense, some of these photos are hard 
to see the  rock structure. Maybe if I had memorized the photo with what 
they were in the  first place, I'd know the answers by shape recognition to a 
name? 
GeoZay  



From info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar  Mon Oct  5 15:29:58 2009
From: info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar (Eduardo)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:29:58 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!
In-Reply-To: <OF85E25617.9ADBB25C-ON85257646.00679CC2@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <B0000044408@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

Great game!
My first try, with 10 photos
Easy 88
Medium 64
Hard 52 (but I think it should be 58 as I mistake a complete EL specimen
with a L)
Eduardo

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:51:34 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!

> For your amusement:
> 
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/NameThatMeteorite.php
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
> US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
> 954 National Center
> Reston, VA 20192, USA
> 
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  5 16:00:43 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:00:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!
In-Reply-To: <OF85E25617.9ADBB25C-ON85257646.00679CC2@usgs.gov>
References: <OF85E25617.9ADBB25C-ON85257646.00679CC2@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W3744AD1C770931BE83B0F7D2CF0@phx.gbl>



Jeff:

Great idea - lots of fun.? The highest I got on 'Easy' was 88. I've played about 6 times so far; still trying to get 100.? What's really funny is one of the meteorites I found turned up.

Again Thanks Jeff.

Greg S.

----------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:51:34 -0400
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> From: jgrossman at usgs.gov
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!
>
> For your amusement:
>
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/NameThatMeteorite.php
>
> Jeff
>
> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184
> US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383
> 954 National Center
> Reston, VA 20192, USA
>
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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 16:17:47 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:17:47 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!
In-Reply-To: <B0000044408@webmail.abaco.net.ar>
References: <OF85E25617.9ADBB25C-ON85257646.00679CC2@usgs.gov>
	<B0000044408@webmail.abaco.net.ar>
Message-ID: <e51421550910051317u62221cd8qf00743524e3940ab@mail.gmail.com>

That was fun.  Thanks for making it Jeff! :)

I think a lot of newbies will find it educational as well.  Although,
like GeoZay said, some of the photos are a little tricky because of
the specimen size or lighting.  But that keeps the veterans on their
toes as well - so maybe not a bad thing. :)

Best regards,

MikeG


On 10/5/09, Eduardo <info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar> wrote:
> Great game!
> My first try, with 10 photos
> Easy 88
> Medium 64
> Hard 52 (but I think it should be 58 as I mistake a complete EL specimen
> with a L)
> Eduardo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:51:34 -0400
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!
>
>> For your amusement:
>>
>> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/NameThatMeteorite.php
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 16:15:26 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:15:26 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possible
	"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910051315m29402d76ja6b7568454cdace1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie ? so we will soon know.

Here is a link
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


This past weekend ? in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
rains and mud we came up empty.

After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
where no finds have been recorded.

We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
one and then shortly after I did too.

We think this may prove to be a ?NEW? and very fresh New Mexico Strewn
field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

Take a look
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net


From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Oct  5 16:46:01 2009
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 05 Oct 2009 20:46:01 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possible
	"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000004F000040B1@paulinet.de>

Wow! Congratulations on the "new" NM strewnfield and on what is probably
a very rare achondrite meteorite. *If* it is an achondrite, then there's something
wrong about the "lone chondrule" ;-) If there are chondrules and if this "loner"
is a chondrule, what about an E-chondrite - maybe anomalous?

I first thought I was looking at something angritic or diogenitic ... maybe an olivine
diogenite but I can't see any triple junctions in the pics. Hmm, please keep us posted!

Best wishes,

Bernd



From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  5 16:58:49 2009
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:58:49 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!
Message-ID: <COL108-W38D73086ED5F312CD392349BCF0@phx.gbl>


This is fun! Definitely worth keeping this link and retaking the quiz over later. The one with Mike Farmer's COA was a trick question. Eduardo, you did much better than I.:D? Thanks, Jeff!

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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 17:13:45 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:13:45 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a "NEW" New
	Mexico strewnfield
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910051413k6e172ef8k75bff7906e5d9866@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bernd,

Thanks for the comments. We do have reservations about "if" it really
has a chondrule or if it is just a round inclusion. However, some of
the most knowledgeable people in the world have guessed high metal
diogenite (as it is loaded with metal) or lodrinite or other primitive
achondrite- Ureilite maybe?

My guess is that it will be an achondrite - maybe a new class?
However, if it is a chondrite it will be anything but ordinary - maybe
a new class here too?


Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net


From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct  5 17:54:06 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:54:06 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a "NEW" New
 Mexico strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910051413k6e172ef8k75bff7906e5d9866@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091005225406.11403.640336.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Ruben, Bernd,

Congratulations..hope it turns out exciting.

Reminds me of a mesosiderite, some resemblance to Vaca Muerta or Esterville in places with its strange mixture/matrix.

Regards,

Graham Ensor UK
 
---- Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Hi Bernd,
> 
> Thanks for the comments. We do have reservations about "if" it really
> has a chondrule or if it is just a round inclusion. However, some of
> the most knowledgeable people in the world have guessed high metal
> diogenite (as it is loaded with metal) or lodrinite or other primitive
> achondrite- Ureilite maybe?
> 
> My guess is that it will be an achondrite - maybe a new class?
> However, if it is a chondrite it will be anything but ordinary - maybe
> a new class here too?
> 
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net
> ______________________________________________
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  5 18:02:23 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:02:23 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
	possible	"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910051315m29402d76ja6b7568454cdace1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80659e1a0910051315m29402d76ja6b7568454cdace1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W257433F619291F1ED0913BD2CF0@phx.gbl>



Wow - Congratulations Rubin, that is a beautiful specimen.? At first I thought... a Diogenite, but with so much metal?? The Olivine crystal is really nice, so I would rule out a chondrite, but you never know. It looks like a complete stone, is that right? I hope you can find more.? Also, congratulations to? Del and your team on the new cold find in New Mexico.

Thanks for sharing,

Greg S.

----------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:15:26 -0700
> From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possible "NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
>
> Hi all,
>
> On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
> important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
> a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
> definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
> being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie ? so we will soon know.
>
> Here is a link
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm
>
>
> This past weekend ? in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
> of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
> Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
> rains and mud we came up empty.
>
> After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
> we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
> east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
> where no finds have been recorded.
>
> We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
> examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
> it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
> one and then shortly after I did too.
>
> We think this may prove to be a ?NEW? and very fresh New Mexico Strewn
> field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
> beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.
>
> Take a look
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm
>
>
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 18:25:57 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:25:57 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a "NEW" New
	Mexico strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <20091005225406.11403.640336.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <80659e1a0910051413k6e172ef8k75bff7906e5d9866@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091005225406.11403.640336.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910051525o5ca7e363t475229e9616d4c89@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Graham,
I agree and infact at first thought it was a pallasite/meso when I
first saw it because of all the olivine on the exterior (a visible 8mm
chunk).

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:54 PM,  <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Hi Ruben, Bernd,
>
> Congratulations..hope it turns out exciting.
>
> Reminds me of a mesosiderite, some resemblance to Vaca Muerta or Esterville in places with its strange mixture/matrix.
>
> Regards,
>
> Graham Ensor UK
>
> ---- Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Bernd,
>>
>> Thanks for the comments. We do have reservations about "if" it really
>> has a chondrule or if it is just a round inclusion. However, some of
>> the most knowledgeable people in the world have guessed high metal
>> diogenite (as it is loaded with metal) or lodrinite or other primitive
>> achondrite- Ureilite maybe?
>>
>> My guess is that it will be an achondrite - maybe a new class?
>> However, if it is a chondrite it will be anything but ordinary - maybe
>> a new class here too?
>>
>>
>> Ruben Garcia
>> Phoenix, Arizona
>> WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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>


From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 18:34:17 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:34:17 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a "NEW" New
	Mexico strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <5C562603-85CE-460F-939A-C7478BB4EE38@dof3.com>
References: <80659e1a0910051413k6e172ef8k75bff7906e5d9866@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C562603-85CE-460F-939A-C7478BB4EE38@dof3.com>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910051534w22a11e7dl4321b6bc897488b5@mail.gmail.com>

I forgot to mention that my rare find was (it's cut now) a complete
stone weighing 157 grams. It has large olivine on the exterior (up to
8mm) and lots of metal.....  what is it? I have never seen anything
like it.


>
>
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  5 18:43:57 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:43:57 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a "NEW"
	New	Mexico strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910051534w22a11e7dl4321b6bc897488b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80659e1a0910051413k6e172ef8k75bff7906e5d9866@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C562603-85CE-460F-939A-C7478BB4EE38@dof3.com>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W517A447AEFE0A85CF312B1D2CF0@phx.gbl>


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Maybe a Primitive Ungrouped Achondrite.

Greg S.

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> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a "NEW" =
New Mexico strewnfield
>
> I forgot to mention that my rare find was (it's cut now) a complete
> stone weighing 157 grams. It has large olivine on the exterior (up to
> 8mm) and lots of metal..... what is it? I have never seen anything
> like it.
>
>
>>
>>
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Oct  5 18:32:59 2009
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 05 Oct 2009 22:32:59 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000004D000040B7@paulinet.de>

Ruben wrote: Ureilite maybe?

Hi Ruben and List,

Yes, maybe a ureilite like the Hup?s' NWA 2624 but where are the triple junctions?
You would expect a lot of olivine grains with "sets" of three olivine grains that meet
in triple junctions of 120? (3 x 120? = 360?).

Bernd



From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Mon Oct  5 18:49:15 2009
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:49:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!
Message-ID: <10837724.1254782955418.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Absolutely humiliating. But...way too much fun. Thank you for posting the quiz.

Guido

-----Original Message-----
>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 5, 2009 4:17 PM
>To: Eduardo <info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar>
>Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!
>
>That was fun.  Thanks for making it Jeff! :)
>
>I think a lot of newbies will find it educational as well.  Although,
>like GeoZay said, some of the photos are a little tricky because of
>the specimen size or lighting.  But that keeps the veterans on their
>toes as well - so maybe not a bad thing. :)
>
>Best regards,
>
>MikeG
>
>
>On 10/5/09, Eduardo <info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar> wrote:
>> Great game!
>> My first try, with 10 photos
>> Easy 88
>> Medium 64
>> Hard 52 (but I think it should be 58 as I mistake a complete EL specimen
>> with a L)
>> Eduardo
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:51:34 -0400
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!
>>
>>> For your amusement:
>>>
>>> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/NameThatMeteorite.php
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
>>> US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
>>> 954 National Center
>>> Reston, VA 20192, USA
>>>
>>>
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 18:52:04 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:52:04 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000004D000040B7@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.0000004D000040B7@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910051552s61314ec0h946307fd67a7da4a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bernd and Greg,

It is so strange that is for sure. I don't know what it is but it has
about the same metal as an H chondrite and the olivine of a diogenite
but the (possible) chondrule of a lodranite. Go figure....

Whatever it is I have never seen anything quite like it.




On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM,  <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de> wrote:
> Ruben wrote: Ureilite maybe?
>
> Hi Ruben and List,
>
> Yes, maybe a ureilite like the Hup?s' NWA 2624 but where are the triple junctions?
> You would expect a lot of olivine grains with "sets" of three olivine grains that meet
> in triple junctions of 120? (3 x 120? = 360?).
>
> Bernd
>
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 19:03:14 2009
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:03:14 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910051552s61314ec0h946307fd67a7da4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DIIE.0000004D000040B7@paulinet.de>
	<80659e1a0910051552s61314ec0h946307fd67a7da4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93aaac890910051603j6d0aae08yad595efa05249abc@mail.gmail.com>

Yo,
An acapulcoite might have a chondrule, but a lodranite, given the
increased metamorphism, highly doubtful.
That's what differentiates lodranites from acapulcoites - larger grain
size due to more intense/prolonged periods of metamorphism.
I would say a mesosiderite - compare to Clover Springs or Vaca Muerta.
 I suppose it could be a CB/CH, though - but the olivine would suggest
otherwise.
Nice find, regardless.
Regards,
Jason

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Bernd and Greg,
>
> It is so strange that is for sure. I don't know what it is but it has
> about the same metal as an H chondrite and the olivine of a diogenite
> but the (possible) chondrule of a lodranite. Go figure....
>
> Whatever it is I have never seen anything quite like it.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM, ?<bernd.pauli at paulinet.de> wrote:
>> Ruben wrote: Ureilite maybe?
>>
>> Hi Ruben and List,
>>
>> Yes, maybe a ureilite like the Hup?s' NWA 2624 but where are the triple junctions?
>> You would expect a lot of olivine grains with "sets" of three olivine grains that meet
>> in triple junctions of 120? (3 x 120? = 360?).
>>
>> Bernd
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 19:15:22 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:15:22 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890910051603j6d0aae08yad595efa05249abc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DIIE.0000004D000040B7@paulinet.de>
	<80659e1a0910051552s61314ec0h946307fd67a7da4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<93aaac890910051603j6d0aae08yad595efa05249abc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910051615t1f8c0a0ue0329ebe24cc9986@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jason,
I stand corrected. An acapulcoite would be nice.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yo,
> An acapulcoite might have a chondrule, but a lodranite, given the
> increased metamorphism, highly doubtful.
> That's what differentiates lodranites from acapulcoites - larger grain
> size due to more intense/prolonged periods of metamorphism.
> I would say a mesosiderite - compare to Clover Springs or Vaca Muerta.
> ?I suppose it could be a CB/CH, though - but the olivine would suggest
> otherwise.
> Nice find, regardless.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Bernd and Greg,
>>
>> It is so strange that is for sure. I don't know what it is but it has
>> about the same metal as an H chondrite and the olivine of a diogenite
>> but the (possible) chondrule of a lodranite. Go figure....
>>
>> Whatever it is I have never seen anything quite like it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM, ?<bernd.pauli at paulinet.de> wrote:
>>> Ruben wrote: Ureilite maybe?
>>>
>>> Hi Ruben and List,
>>>
>>> Yes, maybe a ureilite like the Hup?s' NWA 2624 but where are the triple junctions?
>>> You would expect a lot of olivine grains with "sets" of three olivine grains that meet
>>> in triple junctions of 120? (3 x 120? = 360?).
>>>
>>> Bernd
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct  5 19:27:55 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 0:27:55 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910051615t1f8c0a0ue0329ebe24cc9986@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091006002755.XMT60.641530.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

My guess is still a mesosiderite...any prizes for the correct guess when ASU confirm?  ;-)

Good luck

Graham

---- Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Thanks Jason,
> I stand corrected. An acapulcoite would be nice.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yo,
> > An acapulcoite might have a chondrule, but a lodranite, given the
> > increased metamorphism, highly doubtful.
> > That's what differentiates lodranites from acapulcoites - larger grain
> > size due to more intense/prolonged periods of metamorphism.
> > I would say a mesosiderite - compare to Clover Springs or Vaca Muerta.
> > ?I suppose it could be a CB/CH, though - but the olivine would suggest
> > otherwise.
> > Nice find, regardless.
> > Regards,
> > Jason
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Bernd and Greg,
> >>
> >> It is so strange that is for sure. I don't know what it is but it has
> >> about the same metal as an H chondrite and the olivine of a diogenite
> >> but the (possible) chondrule of a lodranite. Go figure....
> >>
> >> Whatever it is I have never seen anything quite like it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM, ?<bernd.pauli at paulinet.de> wrote:
> >>> Ruben wrote: Ureilite maybe?
> >>>
> >>> Hi Ruben and List,
> >>>
> >>> Yes, maybe a ureilite like the Hup?s' NWA 2624 but where are the triple junctions?
> >>> You would expect a lot of olivine grains with "sets" of three olivine grains that meet
> >>> in triple junctions of 120? (3 x 120? = 360?).
> >>>
> >>> Bernd
> >>>
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 19:32:22 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:32:22 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find
In-Reply-To: <20091006002755.XMT60.641530.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <80659e1a0910051615t1f8c0a0ue0329ebe24cc9986@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091006002755.XMT60.641530.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910051632n3e00949agb082f1bb9571bad1@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, Hopper and I will buy you lunch if you are right. I'd have to
consult her to give anymore as she was there at the time of finding
and so half the stone is hers....



On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:27 PM,  <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> My guess is still a mesosiderite...any prizes for the correct guess when ASU confirm? ?;-)
>
> Good luck
>
> Graham
>
> ---- Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Jason,
>> I stand corrected. An acapulcoite would be nice.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Yo,
>> > An acapulcoite might have a chondrule, but a lodranite, given the
>> > increased metamorphism, highly doubtful.
>> > That's what differentiates lodranites from acapulcoites - larger grain
>> > size due to more intense/prolonged periods of metamorphism.
>> > I would say a mesosiderite - compare to Clover Springs or Vaca Muerta.
>> > ?I suppose it could be a CB/CH, though - but the olivine would suggest
>> > otherwise.
>> > Nice find, regardless.
>> > Regards,
>> > Jason
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi Bernd and Greg,
>> >>
>> >> It is so strange that is for sure. I don't know what it is but it has
>> >> about the same metal as an H chondrite and the olivine of a diogenite
>> >> but the (possible) chondrule of a lodranite. Go figure....
>> >>
>> >> Whatever it is I have never seen anything quite like it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:32 PM, ?<bernd.pauli at paulinet.de> wrote:
>> >>> Ruben wrote: Ureilite maybe?
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Ruben and List,
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, maybe a ureilite like the Hup?s' NWA 2624 but where are the triple junctions?
>> >>> You would expect a lot of olivine grains with "sets" of three olivine grains that meet
>> >>> in triple junctions of 120? (3 x 120? = 360?).
>> >>>
>> >>> Bernd
>> >>>
>> >>> ______________________________________________
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From majbaermann at web.de  Mon Oct  5 19:00:38 2009
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?Windows-1252?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 01:00:38 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
	possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
References: <80659e1a0910051315m29402d76ja6b7568454cdace1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <661408D9387F4166A6D3A5868FBAB746@thinkcentre>

What is it? Bah, not an easy question, Ruben. As a first spontaneous idea 
Tafassasset
with its olivines (but coarser grain sized) and a bit similar metal
distribution came into my mind. And as you mentioned primitive achondrites: 
as
we know Tafassasset seems to show some aspects of brachinite ... At last we
have a new Tafa-problem in regard to classification, who knows?

Analysis will let us know more. Good luck!

Best,

Matthias

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ruben Garcia" <mrmeteorite at gmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:15 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possible"NEW" 
New Mexico Strewnfield


Hi all,

On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie ? so we will soon know.

Here is a link
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


This past weekend ? in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
rains and mud we came up empty.

After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
where no finds have been recorded.

We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
one and then shortly after I did too.

We think this may prove to be a ?NEW? and very fresh New Mexico Strewn
field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

Take a look
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net
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Meteorite-list mailing list
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 19:44:18 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:44:18 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possible
	"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-W29F3273CA9EE1CDC03A7DD6CF0@phx.gbl>
References: <80659e1a0910051315m29402d76ja6b7568454cdace1@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU137-W29F3273CA9EE1CDC03A7DD6CF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910051644g3c28ac15q50ae69df27b643a4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Melanie,

I have been asked that question and to honest I don't know.

Ruben




On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Melanie Matthews
<spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> That's a really cool rock, Ruben! Are you going to sell any of it after you
> get the results? I'd like a piece of it..
>
> Cheers
>
> -----------
> Melanie
> IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>
> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what
> you're gonna get!
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:15:26 -0700
>> From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possible
>> "NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
>> important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
>> a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
>> definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
>> being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie ? so we will soon know.
>>
>> Here is a link
>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm
>>
>>
>> This past weekend ? in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
>> of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
>> Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
>> rains and mud we came up empty.
>>
>> After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
>> we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
>> east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
>> where no finds have been recorded.
>>
>> We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
>> examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
>> it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
>> one and then shortly after I did too.
>>
>> We think this may prove to be a ?NEW? and very fresh New Mexico Strewn
>> field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
>> beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.
>>
>> Take a look
>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm
>>
>>
>> Ruben Garcia
>> Phoenix, Arizona
>> WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct  5 20:32:12 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:32:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Honors JFK with Moon Rock to be Displayed at
	Rice University
Message-ID: <200910060032.n960WCaX021567@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Oct. 5, 2009

Stephanie Schierholz 
Headquarters, Washington      
202-358-4997 
stephanie.schierholz at nasa.gov 

Jennifer Knotts 
Johnson Space Center, Houston 
281-792-7671 
norma.j.knotts at nasa.gov 

Greg Marshall 
Rice University, Houston 
713-348-6774 
greg.marshall at rice.edu 

MEDIA ADVISORY: M09-188

NASA HONORS JFK WITH MOON ROCK TO BE DISPLAYED AT RICE UNIVERSITY

WASHINGTON -- On the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 landing on the 
moon, NASA honored President John F. Kennedy with an Ambassador of 
Exploration Award for his vision and leadership in landing a man on 
the moon. The Kennedy family has selected Rice University to house 
and publicly display the award, a lunar sample, at Fondren Library. 
Kennedy called for a national initiative to go to the moon during a 
speech given at Rice University on Sept. 12, 1962. 

Michael Coats, a former astronaut and director of NASA's Johnson Space 
Center in Houston, will present the moon rock to Rice University 
President David Leebron on Saturday, Oct. 10, during a halftime 
ceremony at the Rice versus Navy football game. NASA astronauts 
George Zamka, a graduate of the Naval Academy, and Danny Olivas, a 
graduate of Rice, will serve as honorary captains for their alma 
maters during the game's coin toss. 

Game-day attendees can see and touch a moon rock and learn about the 
space shuttle, International Space Station and future exploration 
programs by visiting the agency's "Driven to Explore" exhibit. The 
exhibit will be open from 10:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. CDT at the 
stadium's Tailgate Owley outside Rice Stadium Gate 3. Zamka and 
Olivas will sign autographs from 1 to 2 p.m. at the NASA exhibit. 

NASA is giving the Ambassador of Exploration Award to the first 
generation of explorers in the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo space 
programs for realizing America's goal of going to the moon. The award 
is a moon rock encased in Lucite, mounted for public display. The 
rock is part of the 842 pounds of lunar samples collected during six 
Apollo expeditions from 1969 to 1972. 

NASA Television will air a video file with highlights following the 
event. For NASA TV downlink, schedule and streaming video 
information, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv 

For a transcript, video and audio of Kennedy's historic speech, visit: 

http://er.jsc.nasa.gov/seh/ricetalk.htm 

For information about and pictures of the NASA Ambassador of 
Exploration Award, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/AofEphotos.html 

For more information about Rice University, visit: 

http://www.rice.edu 
	
-end-



From mikewren at gilanet.com  Mon Oct  5 20:49:00 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:49:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Last Offering - An American Main Mass, Official,
	Large, And Pretty- You Can Not Find This Price Anywhere Else-
Message-ID: <358BB638-8FDE-4CDA-AB9F-A38F71864D5E@gilanet.com>

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From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  5 22:06:47 2009
From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:06:47 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
References: <mailman.27.1254790151.75718.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <AF6F675BA91840BE9184E0D35A07309D@user6e6e286533>

 Congratulations Ruben!  That is definitely a Very, Very nice specimen! It's 
very beautiful! Let us know as soon as you can what the name will be and of 
course the location, of course, once you have recovered all the material. 
;-) It's very beautiful!!!!!!

Keep up the great work!!

All the best!

Brian

IMCA # 6387

Searchingforfun is my ebay User ID
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>
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> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
> "NEW" New Mexico strewnfield
> To: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From felipeg36 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 22:59:43 2009
From: felipeg36 at gmail.com (Felipe Guajardo)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:59:43 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Imilac and Vaca Strewnfield
Message-ID: <18fdccaa0910051959v2bd32ef0o5e63bc8a280e8f63@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys! My name is Felipe Guajardo and I'm a beginner to the
meteorite world. This winter I'm planning on going to Chile and
hunting Imilac and Vaca Muerta strewnfields for about a week. I had a
question regarding the Vaca Muerta Strewnfield. I've been searching
online and I've found these coordinates for the strewnfield: 25? 45' S
/ 70? 30' W. I have also found this pic as well with the map of the
strewnfield http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1196/vacamuerta.jpg .
The center of the strewnfield is on  25?51'29.76"S /  70?19'42.93"W.
My question is, which of these places is the correct one? If anybody
has gone to these places and has any suggestions please let me know.
Thanks!


From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct  5 22:57:17 2009
From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D (3225))
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:57:17 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a "NEW" New
 Mexico strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910051534w22a11e7dl4321b6bc897488b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6F0001D.C602%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>

Fantastic stuff!  Looks like Hopper has bestowed you with some serious luck.
Buy that dog some steak!

Cheers,
MDF


On 10/5/09 3:34 PM, "Ruben Garcia" <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:

> I forgot to mention that my rare find was (it's cut now) a complete
> stone weighing 157 grams. It has large olivine on the exterior (up to
> 8mm) and lots of metal.....  what is it? I have never seen anything
> like it.
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ruben Garcia
>> Phoenix, Arizona
>> WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net
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From mojave_meteorites at cox.net  Tue Oct  6 01:26:06 2009
From: mojave_meteorites at cox.net (Rob Matson)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:26:06 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
	possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910051315m29402d76ja6b7568454cdace1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMKEBKDPAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>

Hi Ruben,

Congrats on the new Arizona find! What a terrific discovery: metal,
large olivine phenocrysts, and even a lonely chondrule. The presence
of that chondrule would seem, by definition, to rule out an achondrite
classification, although I understand acapulcoites apparently (and
paradoxically) can contain chondrules (e.g. NWA 725, GRA 98028).
But I can't say I've ever heard of an acapulcoite with such large
olivine phenocrysts, so I would be inclined to rule out this
classification.

I guess the riddle to ask is "When does a pallasite have chondrules?"

:D  --Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Ruben
Garcia
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:15 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield


Hi all,

On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie ? so we will soon know.

Here is a link
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


This past weekend ? in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
rains and mud we came up empty.

After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
where no finds have been recorded.

We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
one and then shortly after I did too.

We think this may prove to be a ?NEW? and very fresh New Mexico Strewn
field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

Take a look
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net



From info at meteorites.com.au  Tue Oct  6 03:32:00 2009
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:32:00 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
	possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910051315m29402d76ja6b7568454cdace1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80659e1a0910051315m29402d76ja6b7568454cdace1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FF50435F73D9453FABA6A48BE85903EB@JeffPC>

Congrats on those wonderful finds Ruben. That 'achondrite' looking stone has 
stumped me a little.

The first thing I thought of before a close look at the pics was a 
Mesosiderite which explains a number of the features present. But the thing 
that really threw me was the chondrules. Maybe it's just me, but it looks 
like there are quite a few of them there. Those last couple of pics looks at 
least a little like a breccia of chondrite material mixed in. The last pic 
has what looks like a number of bleached chondrules and fragments of them 
too. Is that what I'm seeing Ruben or does it look different in 'person'? It 
will be VERY interesting to see where the oxygen isotopes plot for this one.

Cheers,

Jeff



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ruben Garcia" <mrmeteorite at gmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 7:15 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possible"NEW" 
New Mexico Strewnfield


Hi all,

On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie ? so we will soon know.

Here is a link
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


This past weekend ? in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
rains and mud we came up empty.

After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
where no finds have been recorded.

We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
one and then shortly after I did too.

We think this may prove to be a ?NEW? and very fresh New Mexico Strewn
field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

Take a look
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net
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From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  6 03:39:41 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:39:41 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910051632n3e00949agb082f1bb9571bad1@mail.gmail.com>
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LOL=20

So has Hopper ever shown any inclination to hunt for or shown interest in a=
ny other meteorites besides that one stone she found?=20

So anyway=2C congrats on your new fine!=20

Cheers/saludos=A0=20
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----------------------------------------
> Date: Mon=2C 5 Oct 2009 16:32:22 -0700
> From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com
> To: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find
>
> Yes=2C Hopper and I will buy you lunch if you are right. I'd have to
> consult her to give anymore as she was there at the time of finding
> and so half the stone is hers....
>
>
>
> On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 4:27 PM=2C  wrote:
>> My guess is still a mesosiderite...any prizes for the correct guess when=
 ASU confirm?  =3B-)
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> ---- Ruben Garcia  wrote:
>>> Thanks Jason=2C
>>> I stand corrected. An acapulcoite would be nice.
>>>
>>> On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 4:03 PM=2C Jason Utas  wrote:
>>>> Yo=2C
>>>> An acapulcoite might have a chondrule=2C but a lodranite=2C given the
>>>> increased metamorphism=2C highly doubtful.
>>>> That's what differentiates lodranites from acapulcoites - larger grain
>>>> size due to more intense/prolonged periods of metamorphism.
>>>> I would say a mesosiderite - compare to Clover Springs or Vaca Muerta.
>>>>  I suppose it could be a CB/CH=2C though - but the olivine would sugge=
st
>>>> otherwise.
>>>> Nice find=2C regardless.
>>>> Regards=2C
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 3:52 PM=2C Ruben Garcia  wrote:
>>>>> Hi Bernd and Greg=2C
>>>>>
>>>>> It is so strange that is for sure. I don't know what it is but it has
>>>>> about the same metal as an H chondrite and the olivine of a diogenite
>>>>> but the (possible) chondrule of a lodranite. Go figure....
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever it is I have never seen anything quite like it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 3:32 PM=2C   wrote:
>>>>>> Ruben wrote: Ureilite maybe?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ruben and List=2C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes=2C maybe a ureilite like the Hup=E9s' NWA 2624 but where are the=
 triple junctions?
>>>>>> You would expect a lot of olivine grains with "sets" of three olivin=
e grains that meet
>>>>>> in triple junctions of 120=B0 (3 x 120=B0 =3D 360=B0).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bernd
>>>>>>
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From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 03:59:03 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (meteoritefinder at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:59:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
Message-ID: <823142.48138.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



Sent from my iPhone


      


From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 04:06:30 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (meteoritefinder at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 01:06:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possible
	"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
Message-ID: <290551.50051.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Rubin,

 Congrats on the find! That's got to have been quite a rush. Can't wait to see what the final classification turns out to be.  Good luck.

Best wishes,
Robert Woolard

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 5, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie ? so we will soon know.

Here is a link
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


This past weekend ? in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
rains and mud we came up empty.

After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
where no finds have been recorded.

We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
one and then shortly after I did too.

We think this may prove to be a ?NEW? and very fresh New Mexico Strewn
field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

Take a look
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net
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From info at meteorites.com.au  Tue Oct  6 04:17:54 2009
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:17:54 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000004D000040B7@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.0000004D000040B7@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <8DB721F1B0D44C988F1F0D96EBF2EBDE@JeffPC>

Hi Bernd & Ruben,

The problem with a Ureilite is that I believe metallic iron/nickel is in 
relatively small amounts in them. It usually forms small veinlets around the 
grains and are the first thing to weather away (low nickel content) and 
often lost in slicing too. Because of this only VERY fresh Ureilites 
generally have these.

http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/nwa2705.html

NWA 2624 for comparison:

http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/nwa2624.html

Cheers,

Jeff



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de>
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:32 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find


Ruben wrote: Ureilite maybe?

Hi Ruben and List,

Yes, maybe a ureilite like the Hup?s' NWA 2624 but where are the triple 
junctions?
You would expect a lot of olivine grains with "sets" of three olivine grains 
that meet
in triple junctions of 120? (3 x 120? = 360?).

Bernd

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From info at meteorites.com.au  Tue Oct  6 04:23:50 2009
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:23:50 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus
	apossible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMKEBKDPAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>
References: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMKEBKDPAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>
Message-ID: <EB9BAA14435845B196E9A4DA220CAEA9@JeffPC>

>I guess the riddle to ask is "When does a pallasite have chondrules?"

You may jest Rob but I've seen it. ;-)

Not a Pallasite with chondrules as such but pieces of extremely weathered 
Huckitta. It almost looks like a weathered (W5) type 3 or 4 impact melt. 
They look a bit like chondrules... but they're not. Very, very weird stuff!

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Matson" <mojave_meteorites at cox.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus 
apossible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield


Hi Ruben,

Congrats on the new Arizona find! What a terrific discovery: metal,
large olivine phenocrysts, and even a lonely chondrule. The presence
of that chondrule would seem, by definition, to rule out an achondrite
classification, although I understand acapulcoites apparently (and
paradoxically) can contain chondrules (e.g. NWA 725, GRA 98028).
But I can't say I've ever heard of an acapulcoite with such large
olivine phenocrysts, so I would be inclined to rule out this
classification.

I guess the riddle to ask is "When does a pallasite have chondrules?"

:D  --Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Ruben
Garcia
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:15 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield


Hi all,

On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie ? so we will soon know.

Here is a link
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


This past weekend ? in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
rains and mud we came up empty.

After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
where no finds have been recorded.

We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
one and then shortly after I did too.

We think this may prove to be a ?NEW? and very fresh New Mexico Strewn
field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

Take a look
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net

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From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 05:56:46 2009
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 02:56:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: NWAs, shergotite, Diogenite, L4s etc
In-Reply-To: <OF85E25617.9ADBB25C-ON85257646.00679CC2@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <793069.63814.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

See my updated website here:
http://www.meteoriteshop.com
I will be listing a lot more over the next week so check back for more meteorites and other crystals soon
Sincerely
DEAN


      


From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 08:11:07 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 05:11:07 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-W35EAB4BA6F6FB2731C9420D6CE0@phx.gbl>
References: <80659e1a0910051615t1f8c0a0ue0329ebe24cc9986@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091006002755.XMT60.641530.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
	<80659e1a0910051632n3e00949agb082f1bb9571bad1@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU137-W35EAB4BA6F6FB2731C9420D6CE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910060511k2d360a43g2ebfc3068b356a5e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Melanie,

I don't know for sure, however she was leading me around as I held her
leash when I made this find.




On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Melanie Matthews
<spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
> LOL=20
>
> So has Hopper ever shown any inclination to hunt for or shown interest in a=
> ny other meteorites besides that one stone she found?=20
>
> So anyway=2C congrats on your new fine!=20
>
> Cheers/saludos=A0=20
> -----------
> Melanie=20
> IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
> =A0
> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what=
> ?you're gonna get!=20
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Mon=2C 5 Oct 2009 16:32:22 -0700
>> From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com
>> To: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find
>>
>> Yes=2C Hopper and I will buy you lunch if you are right. I'd have to
>> consult her to give anymore as she was there at the time of finding
>> and so half the stone is hers....
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 4:27 PM=2C ?wrote:
>>> My guess is still a mesosiderite...any prizes for the correct guess when=
> ?ASU confirm? ?=3B-)
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>> ---- Ruben Garcia ?wrote:
>>>> Thanks Jason=2C
>>>> I stand corrected. An acapulcoite would be nice.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 4:03 PM=2C Jason Utas ?wrote:
>>>>> Yo=2C
>>>>> An acapulcoite might have a chondrule=2C but a lodranite=2C given the
>>>>> increased metamorphism=2C highly doubtful.
>>>>> That's what differentiates lodranites from acapulcoites - larger grain
>>>>> size due to more intense/prolonged periods of metamorphism.
>>>>> I would say a mesosiderite - compare to Clover Springs or Vaca Muerta.
>>>>> ?I suppose it could be a CB/CH=2C though - but the olivine would sugge=
> st
>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>> Nice find=2C regardless.
>>>>> Regards=2C
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 3:52 PM=2C Ruben Garcia ?wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Bernd and Greg=2C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is so strange that is for sure. I don't know what it is but it has
>>>>>> about the same metal as an H chondrite and the olivine of a diogenite
>>>>>> but the (possible) chondrule of a lodranite. Go figure....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever it is I have never seen anything quite like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon=2C Oct 5=2C 2009 at 3:32 PM=2C ? wrote:
>>>>>>> Ruben wrote: Ureilite maybe?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ruben and List=2C
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes=2C maybe a ureilite like the Hup=E9s' NWA 2624 but where are the=
> ?triple junctions?
>>>>>>> You would expect a lot of olivine grains with "sets" of three olivin=
> e grains that meet
>>>>>>> in triple junctions of 120=B0 (3 x 120=B0 =3D 360=B0).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bernd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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From rocksfromspace at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 08:07:44 2009
From: rocksfromspace at yahoo.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 05:07:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 6,
	2009
Message-ID: <953284.82879.qm@web113016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_6_2009.html



      



From mpg4444 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 08:17:00 2009
From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:17:00 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Inspecting an asteroid that hit Earth
Message-ID: <ad733150910060517k225bd1d1x860674ec582e65bf@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/48063/title/Inspecting_an_asteroid_that_hit_Earth_

Body looked like a loaf of bread, contained amino acids and may have
been blasted off a larger objectBy Ron Cowen Web edition : Monday,
October 5th, 2009

Scientists have recreated what the asteroid 2008 TC3 looked like just
before it slammed face-first into Earth on October 7, 2008. An
artist?s illustration shows, in 12-second intervals, only the
flattened part of the asteroid that faced Earth as it fell. The
horizontal line at top shows actual observations of the asteroid. P.
Scheirich, P. Jenniskens FAJARDO, Puerto Rico ? Planetary scientists
have reported a slew of new findings about the first asteroid ever
spotted before pieces of it fell to Earth. The space rock contained a
number of amino acids, had a flattened shape and appears to have been
blasted off the surface of a larger body, researchers reported October
5 at the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society?s
Division for Planetary Sciences.

The asteroid, 2008 TC3, first came into the limelight in 2008 when
researchers spotted the body just 19 hours before it broke apart in
Earth?s atmosphere and crashed into northern Sudan. Planetary
scientists tracked the intact asteroid as it fell to the ground as
meteorites (SN: 4/25/09, p. 13).

As observed through a telescope during the last two hours of its
journey to Earth, the small asteroid appeared only as a flickering
point of light. But by analyzing the variations in brightness of the
rock as it tumbled through space, along with information culled from
fragments on the ground, Peter Scheirich of the Czech Academy of
Sciences in Ondrejov and his colleagues have now reconstructed what
the asteroid would have looked like up close. The space rock resembled
a flattened loaf of bread, Scheirich reported.

Further analysis of the shape of the asteroid, along with estimates of
the asteroid?s mass and the reflectivity of the recovered meteorites,
could reveal whether the rock is solid through and through or porous,
like a loosely held rubble pile, he adds.

The rock entered Earth?s atmosphere ?like the Apollo space capsule,
flat face forward,? says Peter Jenniskens of the SETI Institute in
Mountain View, Calif., who led an effort to recover some 300
meteorites in Sudan in October 2008.

Structures in the meteorites ? pores lined with fine-grained crystals
of a mineral called olivine ? suggest that the asteroid was blasted
off the surface of a larger rock, reported Michael Zolensky of NASA?s
Johnson Space Center in Houston. That means it should be relatively
easy to use the properties of these meteorites to understand the
properties of thousands of observed asteroids in space, which only
reveal clues about their surfaces through telescope images and
spectra, he says.

Other studies, also reported October 5, reveal that the meteorites
contain amino acids, the building blocks of proteins, that must have
come from 2008 TC3, reported Michael Callahan of NASA?s Goddard Space
Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

The meteorites belong to a rare type called ureilites, which contain
microscopic diamonds. ?To my knowledge this is the first report of
amino acids in any ureilite-type meteorite,? said Daniel Glavin of
NASA-Goddard, who collaborated with Callahan and other colleagues on
the analysis.

The researchers identified 18 amino acids, including
alpha-aminoisobutyric acid and isovaline. Because they are uncommon on
Earth, Glavin said, ?it is highly likely that these two amino acids
were formed in space.?

?The discovery of amino acids in [2008 TC3] provides additional
support for the idea that organic matter delivered by asteroids could
have seeded the early Earth with the raw ingredients for life,? he
noted. At the same time, the presence of the amino acids is puzzling,
Glavin added.

Evidence suggests that 2008 TC3 was heated to temperatures as high as
1,300? Celsius billions of years ago, yet amino acids are destroyed at
temperatures above 500?600?C, Glavin said. Other researchers,
including Richard Zare, Amy Morrow and Hassan Sabbah of Stanford
University in Palo Alto, Calif., reported that they had found common
components of soot known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in the
meteorites. This soot is interspersed with amino acids, Zare said.

?The big mystery now is how did these complex organic compounds
survive such high temperatures?? notes Glavin.

One possibility is that the amino acids or their precursors were
incorporated into the asteroid?s parent rock during its formation and
survived the heating and melting that would have occurred when the
parent rock was blasted into pieces.  Another possibility, he notes,
is that amino acids formed inside 2008 TC3 itself much later on, after
it cooled to temperatures below 500?600?C.

To help settle these and other questions, Jenniskens plans to return
to Sudan  this December to pick up more specimens.


From stalderli at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 08:30:45 2009
From: stalderli at gmail.com (Thomas Gmail)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:30:45 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Fresh NWA xxx unclassified meteorites
Message-ID: <4ACB3875.1080109@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I've just got some new unclassified NWA xxx meteorites. Please have a 
look. They weight between 15 to 70 g. Some with nice crust and not or 
only lightly weathered.

Thanks.
Thomas

http://www.saharagems.com/id49.html

and

http://www.saharagems.com/id63.html




From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Tue Oct  6 10:24:53 2009
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (info at niger-meteorite-recon.de)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:24:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] paper on fusion crust by P. Ramdohr
In-Reply-To: <ad733150910060517k225bd1d1x860674ec582e65bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad733150910060517k225bd1d1x860674ec582e65bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <208532295.107912.1254839093908.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxltgw15.schlund.de>

Hi all,

perhaps someone has vol. 2 (5/1967) of Earth and Planetary Science Letters in
their library? Page 197 should have an article by P. Ramdohr titled "Die
Schmelzkruste der Meteoriten". 

I know there are other more recent papers on the subject, I need this particular
article however. Your help is most appreciated.

Svend

www.meteorite-recon.com


From wahlperry at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 11:58:36 2009
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:58:36 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
 possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMKEBKDPAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>
Message-ID: <8CC14B4FF097393-4EBC-19881@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Ruben, Rob and List,

I would like to congratulate Ruben on his new find. There is no doubt 
that this will be one of the top finds for 2009! Here is my 2 cents 
worth on what type meteorite this may be. I had a chance to look at the 
exterior and polished face. My first impression of the cut face  
reminded me of a ureilite. I also noticed what appeared to be a 
chondrule that would rule out a ureilite, unless it was a relic 
chondrule. The exterior has the weathered appearance of a lodranite. 
What ever this meteorite turns out to be, it will be unique. I guess we 
will have to leave it up to the experts.

2 cents worth poll : )

#1 Ureilite
#2 Lodranite


Sonny








Hi Ruben,

Congrats on the new Arizona find! What a terrific discovery: metal,
large olivine phenocrysts, and even a lonely chondrule. The presence
of that chondrule would seem, by definition, to rule out an achondrite
classification, although I understand acapulcoites apparently (and
paradoxically) can contain chondrules (e.g. NWA 725, GRA 98028).
But I can't say I've ever heard of an acapulcoite with such large
olivine phenocrysts, so I would be inclined to rule out this
classification.

I guess the riddle to ask is "When does a pallasite have chondrules?"

:D  --Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf 
Of Ruben
Garcia
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:15 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield


Hi all,

On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie ? so we will soon know.

Here is a link
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


This past weekend ? in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
rains and mud we came up empty.

After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
where no finds have been recorded.

We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
one and then shortly after I did too.

We think this may prove to be a ?NEW? and very fresh New Mexico=2
0Strewn
field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

Take a look
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net

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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 12:30:05 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:30:05 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
	possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910060927u103a8c12w942fc74ca3f1b19c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMKEBKDPAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>
	<8CC14B4FF097393-4EBC-19881@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>
	<80659e1a0910060927u103a8c12w942fc74ca3f1b19c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910060930p3ae88d9fhb7edade849819d52@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, thanks Paul, Sonny, Rob and everyone else for all the interest on
my meteorite.
I think Sonny is right it is by no means ordinary and will be a cool
find watever it is.







On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow, thanks Sonny, Rob and everyone else for all the interest on my meteorite.
> I think Sonny is right it is by no means ordinary and will be a cool
> find watever it is.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:58 AM, ?<wahlperry at aol.com> wrote:
>> Hi Ruben, Rob and List,
>>
>> I would like to congratulate Ruben on his new find. There is no doubt that
>> this will be one of the top finds for 2009! Here is my 2 cents worth on what
>> type meteorite this may be. I had a chance to look at the exterior and
>> polished face. My first impression of the cut face ?reminded me of a
>> ureilite. I also noticed what appeared to be a chondrule that would rule out
>> a ureilite, unless it was a relic chondrule. The exterior has the weathered
>> appearance of a lodranite. What ever this meteorite turns out to be, it will
>> be unique. I guess we will have to leave it up to the experts.
>>
>> 2 cents worth poll : )
>>
>> #1 Ureilite
>> #2 Lodranite
>>
>>
>> Sonny
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Ruben,
>>
>> Congrats on the new Arizona find! What a terrific discovery: metal,
>> large olivine phenocrysts, and even a lonely chondrule. The presence
>> of that chondrule would seem, by definition, to rule out an achondrite
>> classification, although I understand acapulcoites apparently (and
>> paradoxically) can contain chondrules (e.g. NWA 725, GRA 98028).
>> But I can't say I've ever heard of an acapulcoite with such large
>> olivine phenocrysts, so I would be inclined to rule out this
>> classification.
>>
>> I guess the riddle to ask is "When does a pallasite have chondrules?"
>>
>> :D ?--Rob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Ruben
>> Garcia
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:15 PM
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
>> possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
>> important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
>> a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
>> definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
>> being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie ? so we will soon know.
>>
>> Here is a link
>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm
>>
>>
>> This past weekend ? in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
>> of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
>> Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
>> rains and mud we came up empty.
>>
>> After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
>> we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
>> east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
>> where no finds have been recorded.
>>
>> We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
>> examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
>> it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
>> one and then shortly after I did too.
>>
>> We think this may prove to be a ?NEW? and very fresh New Mexico=2
>> 0Strewn
>> field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
>> beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.
>>
>> Take a look
>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm
>>
>>
>> Ruben Garcia
>> Phoenix, Arizona
>> WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>


From daistiho at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  6 13:21:02 2009
From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:21:02 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
	possible	"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910051315m29402d76ja6b7568454cdace1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80659e1a0910051315m29402d76ja6b7568454cdace1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W8E72F5F9B1B0CE306728DCACE0@phx.gbl>


I'm going to throw my hat in the ring with Graham and say mesosiderite.? The spray of fine metal flakes surrounding a central feature (olivine crystal?) reminds me of a similar feature in the part slice of Estherville I got some time ago from Anne B.

Best!
Tracy Latimer

----------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:15:26 -0700
> From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possible "NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
>
> Hi all,
>
> On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
> important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
> a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
> definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
> being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie ? so we will soon know.
>
> Here is a link
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm
>

 		 	   		  
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From daistiho at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  6 13:26:23 2009
From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:26:23 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!
In-Reply-To: <OF85E25617.9ADBB25C-ON85257646.00679CC2@usgs.gov>
References: <OF85E25617.9ADBB25C-ON85257646.00679CC2@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W4959BFB11954D4F8CDF6DBCACE0@phx.gbl>


Good fun! although I had help; the photo of El Hammami was labeled ;)? I got 88 first go on 'easy', but don't expect my score to increase if I go for harder levels.

Best!
Tracy Latimer

----------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:51:34 -0400
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> From: jgrossman at usgs.gov
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite classification quiz!
>
> For your amusement:
>
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/NameThatMeteorite.php
>
> Jeff
>
> Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184
> US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383
> 954 National Center
> Reston, VA 20192, USA
>
>
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  6 13:48:48 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:48:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus
	a	possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910060930p3ae88d9fhb7edade849819d52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMKEBKDPAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>
	<8CC14B4FF097393-4EBC-19881@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W229382715F4765B5CC8606D2CE0@phx.gbl>


 	<80659e1a0910060927u103a8c12w942fc74ca3f1b19c at mail.gmail.com>
 

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Ruben and List:

For my final answer=2C I say a metal rich diogenite like NWA 3106 (~12% met=
al).=A0 I'm going out on a limb here.=A0 Perhaps it contains sub-rounded cl=
asts.

This is fun - we need more of these where list member can guess.

Greg S.

----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue=2C 6 Oct 2009 09:30:05 -0700
> From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possib=
le"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
>
> Wow=2C thanks Paul=2C Sonny=2C Rob and everyone else for all the interest=
 on
> my meteorite.
> I think Sonny is right it is by no means ordinary and will be a cool
> find watever it is.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue=2C Oct 6=2C 2009 at 9:27 AM=2C Ruben Garcia  wrote:
>> Wow=2C thanks Sonny=2C Rob and everyone else for all the interest on my =
meteorite.
>> I think Sonny is right it is by no means ordinary and will be a cool
>> find watever it is.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue=2C Oct 6=2C 2009 at 8:58 AM=2C   wrote:
>>> Hi Ruben=2C Rob and List=2C
>>>
>>> I would like to congratulate Ruben on his new find. There is no doubt t=
hat
>>> this will be one of the top finds for 2009! Here is my 2 cents worth on=
 what
>>> type meteorite this may be. I had a chance to look at the exterior and
>>> polished face. My first impression of the cut face  reminded me of a
>>> ureilite. I also noticed what appeared to be a chondrule that would rul=
e out
>>> a ureilite=2C unless it was a relic chondrule. The exterior has the wea=
thered
>>> appearance of a lodranite. What ever this meteorite turns out to be=2C =
it will
>>> be unique. I guess we will have to leave it up to the experts.
>>>
>>> 2 cents worth poll : )
>>>
>>> #1 Ureilite
>>> #2 Lodranite
>>>
>>>
>>> Sonny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Ruben=2C
>>>
>>> Congrats on the new Arizona find! What a terrific discovery: metal=2C
>>> large olivine phenocrysts=2C and even a lonely chondrule. The presence
>>> of that chondrule would seem=2C by definition=2C to rule out an achondr=
ite
>>> classification=2C although I understand acapulcoites apparently (and
>>> paradoxically) can contain chondrules (e.g. NWA 725=2C GRA 98028).
>>> But I can't say I've ever heard of an acapulcoite with such large
>>> olivine phenocrysts=2C so I would be inclined to rule out this
>>> classification.
>>>
>>> I guess the riddle to ask is "When does a pallasite have chondrules?"
>>>
>>> :D  --Rob
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Ruben
>>> Garcia
>>> Sent: Monday=2C October 05=2C 2009 1:15 PM
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
>>> possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all=2C
>>>
>>> On September 24=2C 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
>>> important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
>>> a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
>>> definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
>>> being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie =96 so we will soon know.
>>>
>>> Here is a link
>>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> This past weekend =96 in an attempt to find more - I put together a tea=
m
>>> of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller=2C Sonny Clary=2C Stan Wall=
=2C
>>> Del Waterbury=2C Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately=2C between the
>>> rains and mud we came up empty.
>>>
>>> After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
>>> we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
>>> east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
>>> where no finds have been recorded.
>>>
>>> We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
>>> examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
>>> it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
>>> one and then shortly after I did too.
>>>
>>> We think this may prove to be a =93NEW=94 and very fresh New Mexico=3D2
>>> 0Strewn
>>> field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
>>> beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.
>>>
>>> Take a look
>>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> Ruben Garcia
>>> Phoenix=2C Arizona
>>> WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 13:43:01 2009
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:43:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] a possible new fall over morroco
Message-ID: <631883.72861.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

hi all
?last wednesday at 18.30 gmt ,? a big fireball expolode over morroco has been? wathced over agadir and also from assa tantan,
a witness man said from agadir that it expolde near agadir in 4 part , till?now many hunter are so far looking for it, and
one? guy say it has gone to the beach but may be some of it still in morroco;

well the thing that is sur is the time of the?explosionin the sky ,
no sample find yet
let hope we get some

thanks
aziz habibi
imca?6220
?habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170 


      


From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 14:36:49 2009
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:36:49 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad/Web site update Items from my collection,
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From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 15:28:41 2009
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:28:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] an other beauty  achondrite
Message-ID: <779311.7120.qm@web62007.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

hi all
here is an other fantastic gem 203 gr achondrite unclassified very very fresh and a nice shape,
full of flowlines and glassy ,
just a wondefull meteorite , have a look, photo speak by themself.....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/

thanks
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From jakub at meteorites.pl  Tue Oct  6 15:08:51 2009
From: jakub at meteorites.pl (jakub at meteorites.pl)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:08:51 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] A Few More Books For Sale
Message-ID: <4ACB95C3.9000202@meteorites.pl>

J. Lewis - Physics and Chemistry of the Solar System Second Edition 
(excellent condition, 9,5/10)

A. Davis - Meteorites, Comets, and Planets Treatise on Geochemistry, 
Volume 1 (excellent condition, 9,5/10)

B. Zanda and M. Rotaru - Meteorites Their Impact on Science and History 
(very good+ condition, 8,5/10)

O. Richard Norton - Rocks from Space Second Edition (excellent 
condition, 9,5/10)

H.H. Nininger - Out of the Sky (very good+ condition, 9/10)

J. Wasson - Meteorites Their Record of Early Solar-System History 
(ex-library, very good condition, 8/10)

D. Sears - The Nature and Origin of Meteorites (ex-library, very good+ 
condition, 8,5/10)

T. LeMaire - Stones from the Stars The Unsolved Mysteries of Meteorites 
(autographed, very good+ condition, 8,5/10)


Wholesale preferred. Questions and offers off-list, please.

Thanks for looking,
JR


From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 17:24:44 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:24:44 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
	possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910061423s386a1c8as6b856b2adbf2657a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMKEBKDPAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>
	<8CC14B4FF097393-4EBC-19881@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>
	<80659e1a0910060930p3ae88d9fhb7edade849819d52@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W229382715F4765B5CC8606D2CE0@phx.gbl>
	<80659e1a0910061423s386a1c8as6b856b2adbf2657a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910061424l7b5bd4b6r9365ae6f6185e3d2@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Greg and List,

I love all these guesses - Lots of knowledge on here keep them coming!




On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Grag and List,
>
> I love all these guesses - Lots of knowledge on here keep them coming!
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ? ? ? ?<80659e1a0910060927u103a8c12w942fc74ca3f1b19c at mail.gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> ?<80659e1a0910060930p3ae88d9fhb7edade849819d52 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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>>
>>
>> Ruben and List:
>>
>> For my final answer=2C I say a metal rich diogenite like NWA 3106 (~12% met=
>> al).=A0 I'm going out on a limb here.=A0 Perhaps it contains sub-rounded cl=
>> asts.
>>
>> This is fun - we need more of these where list member can guess.
>>
>> Greg S.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> Date: Tue=2C 6 Oct 2009 09:30:05 -0700
>>> From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possib=
>> le"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
>>>
>>> Wow=2C thanks Paul=2C Sonny=2C Rob and everyone else for all the interest=
>> ?on
>>> my meteorite.
>>> I think Sonny is right it is by no means ordinary and will be a cool
>>> find watever it is.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue=2C Oct 6=2C 2009 at 9:27 AM=2C Ruben Garcia ?wrote:
>>>> Wow=2C thanks Sonny=2C Rob and everyone else for all the interest on my =
>> meteorite.
>>>> I think Sonny is right it is by no means ordinary and will be a cool
>>>> find watever it is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue=2C Oct 6=2C 2009 at 8:58 AM=2C ? wrote:
>>>>> Hi Ruben=2C Rob and List=2C
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to congratulate Ruben on his new find. There is no doubt t=
>> hat
>>>>> this will be one of the top finds for 2009! Here is my 2 cents worth on=
>> ?what
>>>>> type meteorite this may be. I had a chance to look at the exterior and
>>>>> polished face. My first impression of the cut face ?reminded me of a
>>>>> ureilite. I also noticed what appeared to be a chondrule that would rul=
>> e out
>>>>> a ureilite=2C unless it was a relic chondrule. The exterior has the wea=
>> thered
>>>>> appearance of a lodranite. What ever this meteorite turns out to be=2C =
>> it will
>>>>> be unique. I guess we will have to leave it up to the experts.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 cents worth poll : )
>>>>>
>>>>> #1 Ureilite
>>>>> #2 Lodranite
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sonny
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ruben=2C
>>>>>
>>>>> Congrats on the new Arizona find! What a terrific discovery: metal=2C
>>>>> large olivine phenocrysts=2C and even a lonely chondrule. The presence
>>>>> of that chondrule would seem=2C by definition=2C to rule out an achondr=
>> ite
>>>>> classification=2C although I understand acapulcoites apparently (and
>>>>> paradoxically) can contain chondrules (e.g. NWA 725=2C GRA 98028).
>>>>> But I can't say I've ever heard of an acapulcoite with such large
>>>>> olivine phenocrysts=2C so I would be inclined to rule out this
>>>>> classification.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess the riddle to ask is "When does a pallasite have chondrules?"
>>>>>
>>>>> :D ?--Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Ruben
>>>>> Garcia
>>>>> Sent: Monday=2C October 05=2C 2009 1:15 PM
>>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
>>>>> possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all=2C
>>>>>
>>>>> On September 24=2C 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
>>>>> important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
>>>>> a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
>>>>> definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
>>>>> being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie =96 so we will soon know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a link
>>>>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This past weekend =96 in an attempt to find more - I put together a tea=
>> m
>>>>> of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller=2C Sonny Clary=2C Stan Wall=
>> =2C
>>>>> Del Waterbury=2C Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately=2C between the
>>>>> rains and mud we came up empty.
>>>>>
>>>>> After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
>>>>> we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
>>>>> east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
>>>>> where no finds have been recorded.
>>>>>
>>>>> We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
>>>>> examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
>>>>> it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
>>>>> one and then shortly after I did too.
>>>>>
>>>>> We think this may prove to be a =93NEW=94 and very fresh New Mexico=3D2
>>>>> 0Strewn
>>>>> field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
>>>>> beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take a look
>>>>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ruben Garcia
>>>>> Phoenix=2C Arizona
>>>>> WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 17:40:40 2009
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:40:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] an  other beauty correction
Message-ID: <388721.71617.qm@web62007.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

hi all
it seems i forget to mention, in my last post that the meteorite 203 gr? achondrite unclassified ;
is a possible diogenite , and that is only? based on? own? judjement,

sorry to have miss one of the rules of the imca,? i hope i have correct this,
from now on , please once you read unclassified meteorite and you see a comment this commment is personal and my own judjment,

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/

so this beauty is an achondrite 203 gr that is a possible diogenite? could?be something else,


thanks


# I.M.C.A 6220?habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170</font> 


      


From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Tue Oct  6 18:17:44 2009
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:17:44 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD- CAI
Message-ID: <E07AF8B560654821A3349E230CB531F5@windows9bb74fe>

Hello all

Single auction ending today where the cut face on this little CV3 an entire 
CAI

Kinda cool and relevant given last weeks excellent thread on CAI's and 
chondrule formation

Have a look

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280403585241

Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/nakhladog
------------------
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
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From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 21:19:14 2009
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:19:14 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Al Hugf 007 question
Message-ID: <bd8.41608146.37fd4692@aol.com>

Hi all,  I was working on a thin section Al  Hugf 007 L4 and coming up with 
some cool micrographs.  I haven't learned  much about this meteorite and 
never seen it for sale except for the samples I  obtained from Ivan Kourtyrev 
several years ago.

I tried to look up info  and there is little out there but the TKW is shown 
at 200,000 Kg.  Is this  correct and if so does any one know why we haven't 
seen a ton of it on the  market like NWA 869?

Tom Phillips  



From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  6 21:31:59 2009
From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:31:59 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Apollo 8, 10,
	16 and 17 and Neil Armstrong's signed White Spacesuit color photo
Message-ID: <951CB5FD22084EA2830F7E0AC383D48F@user6e6e286533>

Hello fellow meteorite collectors,

Just in case anyone was wanting to look at what Heritage Auction House has 
for their Space Exploration Auction this month, here is a link. It's kind of 
interesting. Apollo 8, 10, 16 and 17 and Neil Armstrong's signed White 
Spacesuit color photo. Luigi Pizzimenti has a vast knowledge of NASA and the 
Space Program.
Have a great night and I hope a meteorite drops in your yards!

All the best!

Brian Cox

IMCA # 6387
searchingforfun is my ebay User ID

http://historical.ha.com/common/newsletter.php?id=2908&type=histnws-tem100609#collector-a 



From gmhupe at htn.net  Tue Oct  6 23:19:46 2009
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:19:46 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] 99-cent Planetary & Rarities - Auctions Ending - AD
Message-ID: <4E2BA4E668CA4311839562F7C36D3E03@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

There will be a lot of Very Happy eBay bidders tomorrow, Wednesday, October 
7th. Those who are looking for great deals, should be looking here: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

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1 Martian - Pennies on the dollar!
3 Angrites - Pennies on the dollar!
Brachinite, Lodranite, Aubrite, Diogenite, other Achondrites... - Pennies on 
the dollar!!
HUGE CAI on a CV3...

OK, I think you get the point, if you would like a great deal on Classified 
material without the gamble or wishful thinking on unknown material, check 
out my eBay auctions. Always the Best, Always Guaranteed!!

"Thank You" to all who bid or browse, and "Good Luck" to those who want them 
the most!

Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
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Best regards,
Greg

====================
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NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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From paul at meteorite.com  Tue Oct  6 23:32:18 2009
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:32:18 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] October Meteorite-Times is now up
Message-ID: <4ACC0BC2.5080202@meteorite.com>

Dear List,

The October issue of Meteorite-Times is now up.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite_frame.htm

Enjoy!

Paul and Jim



From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  7 00:29:17 2009
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:29:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] an other beauty correction,part 2
Message-ID: <533786.80904.qm@web62001.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

hi all
i have add the term?POSSIBLE by respect? to the imca,because i was asked by the directors of the imca to do so;

still the stone i showed is 203 gr diogenite that a kid could see it's one ,but rules are rules and i m fine with that,
so its not a wishful thinking or unknown material,and? it's a nice gem to hold in your hand ;a prety glassy diogenite;
its a nice meteorite that is?LIKELY ?paired to many diogenite that came from western sahara, i have sold 100's,

ok i will keep selling meteorite that are unclassified? and based on my own judjment,

so i hope we get the POINT , and the?POINT is that you have to see wonderfull stone that are coming from the desert
enjoy them as fresh as we get them without confusion,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/

thanks
aziz habibi


      


From rocksfromspace at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  7 01:21:25 2009
From: rocksfromspace at yahoo.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:21:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Arizona Chondrite
Message-ID: <690545.4785.qm@web113003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Photos added of Jack Schrader's New Arizona chondrite insitu:
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_6_2009.html



      



From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Wed Oct  7 05:47:04 2009
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:47:04 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Al Hugf 007 question
In-Reply-To: <bd8.41608146.37fd4692@aol.com>
References: <bd8.41608146.37fd4692@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200910070948.n979mqcI017274@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi Jason,

The real spelling should be "Al Huqf"

The MB reports thet "Al Huqf 007" is an L5 with the tkw of 1 at 1043 g

There are 4 other "Al Huqfs" of H4 type, namely:
- AH 009 (39.8 g)
- AH 050 (1066 g)
- AH 055 (1866 g)
- AH 955 (12.83 kg)

The heaviest of the AH's is "AH 010, with tkw = 100 at 41.54 kg

See here:

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php

"Al Hugf" does not exist.

And 200 tons (!) would correspond to one of the 
heaviest meteorites known so far, if not the heaviest !
I note from my (not updated!) archives the 
following high tkw's  (to take a few):

Campo: 130+ tons
Gibeon: 100+ tons
S. Alin: 70+ tons
NWA 869: "only" 5+ tons


Probably these numbers need to be re-actualized.
Anybody for more accurate data ?

Cheers,

Zelimir


At 03:19 07/10/2009, STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com wrote:
>Hi all,  I was working on a thin section Al  Hugf 007 L4 and coming up with
>some cool micrographs.  I haven't learned  much about this meteorite and
>never seen it for sale except for the samples I  obtained from Ivan Kourtyrev
>several years ago.
>
>I tried to look up info  and there is little out there but the TKW is shown
>at 200,000 Kg.  Is this  correct and if so does any one know why we haven't
>seen a ton of it on the  market like NWA 869?
>
>Tom Phillips
>
>______________________________________________
>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>Meteorite-list mailing list
>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 



From spacerocksinc at aol.com  Wed Oct  7 09:29:09 2009
From: spacerocksinc at aol.com (spacerocksinc at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:29:09 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: Jalu (L6)
Message-ID: <367142871-1254922107-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-985533133-@bda267.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Needing to raise some extra cash.
Taking offers on the following:
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/JALU.html

Thanks for looking!
Michael Johnson
http://www.rocksfromspace.org


Thumbed On My BlackBerry   


From a.ehlmann at tcu.edu  Wed Oct  7 10:18:03 2009
From: a.ehlmann at tcu.edu (Art Ehlmann)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:18:03 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Monnig Meteorite Collection
Message-ID: <6ED18BAF-EEA5-40F5-9105-51A7B5DB90F8@tcu.edu>

Dear List Friends,
	I'm proud to announce that the Monnig Collection at TCU has a new  
curator, Dr. Rhiannon Mayne,
an Assistant Professor of Geology.  Dr. Mayne will continue her  
research that she conducted at the
Smithsonian in her post-doc appointment there.  In addition she plans  
to develop courses in Planetary
Science in the Department of Geology.
	It is my plan to "retire" again but I will assist her for an  
indefinite period.  If any of you wish to contact
us about the Monnig Collection, feel free to contact me or Dr. Mayne.   
Her e-mail is:  R.G.Mayne at tcu.edu

Best Wishes to all,

Dr. Arthur J. Ehlmann
Emeritus Professor of Geology
Phone: 817-257-6278
FAX: 817-257-7789
TCU Box 298830
Fort Worth, TX 76129
a.ehlmann at tcu.edu






From cdtucson at cox.net  Mon Oct  5 14:52:25 2009
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:52:25 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteoroid question
In-Reply-To: <BLU117-W211A83609B1CD577FCEEF1BDCF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091005145225.F4L7O.489755.imail@fed1rmwml40>

List,
Sorry,  but it is difficult to measure a negative!
There is simply no way of knowing what the size of a meteorite you are holding in your hand was before it entered the earths atmosphere. Period.
In order to figure out what the bulk of a meteor was prior to entry you would need a crystal ball. 
This is said with all due respect to our scientific community but there are simply too many unknowns for this question to be properly answered..
First you would have to know the exact weight prior to entry. Then weigh the meteorite and do the math.
I am not aware of any natural fall that the weight of such fall was measured prior to entry into earths atmosphere.
The only scenario that even comes close was the Stone-6 artificial meteorite mission. 

http://euro.astrobio.net/pressrelease/2889/stone-6-microbes-0

This study did prove ablation occurs but, it has been pointed out on this list that that study was full of flaws and holes and not a good judge of reality.
Again, It did prove that there is loss of material caused by friction or ablation and actually some of the samples disappeared completely. 
It is true that Tagish lake is very fragile but no meteorite I have ever seen is as fragile as Carancas. This material can easily be crumbled between your fingers. Yet, it managed to get through our atmosphere and leave quite an impressive hole in the ground.  It has been noted that due to this fact. All past theories are now out the window. Carancas has literally caused the books to need to be re-written when it comes to the whole entry ablation theories.

http://www.geotimes.org/july08/article.html?id=feature_meteorite.html

" Final Findings
The meteorite impact at Carancas was a lucky surprise for scientists. It is not clear how a chondrite, a relatively weak rock, traveling at least at four times the speed of sound, was able to survive passage through Earth?s atmosphere intact and impact the planet, but it did."

This is not my sole opinion. This fact has been stated in many previously written scientific papers. Like Elton always says; "don't ignore the science"
In summary, I think it is safe to say that meteorites start out bigger before we found them laying on the surface of Earth. How much bigger is just a guess. 
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


---- Pat Brown <scientificlifestyle at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Hello Larry and the List, 
> 
> This is an interesting and very commonly asked question that I have been asked in talks to school kids etc. I have tried to make it through Opik _Physics of Meteor Flight in the Atmosphere_. However, it is far too easy to get bogged down in the math. 
> 
> OK, that said; this engineer's guess is 
> 
> * An incoming velocity range of 15,000 to 25,000 gives an kinetic energy range of 2.8:1
> 
> * The entry angle could affect the time of incandescent flight as well. The ratio of 90 deg to almost zero deg could be a 2:1 ratio as well
> 
> * Even if we limit ourselves to Chondrites, and assumed a constant speed and entry angle, the range of internal strength of the material is an important part of the answer. I tell the kids that the range of strength of the stone meteorites  ranges from almost dirt clod weak (e.g. Bjurbole, Tagish Lake) where the survival percentage is perhaps 99% of mass loss. At the other end is a strong ordinary chondrite without internal cracks and little or no shock that could be in the 50% mass loss range. As an average, I have been telling the kids that basketball in space equils softball size when it reaches the surface. [For our international friends a basket ball is 0.74 meters in circumference and a softball is 0.30 meters in circumference.]
> 
> Please do let us know what you get for answers from Rob Matson and the rest of the List. 
> 
> Best Regards, 
> ?????????? Pat Brown
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:51:55 -0700
> > From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
> > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] meteoroid question
> >
> > Hi all:
> >
> > I am involved with a teacher professional development workshop this week
> > and the teachers give us questions that they hope we can answer for them.
> > I am fine with most of them (such is Pluto a planet?), but I figured that,
> > before I give them a partially correct answer, I would ask the experts out
> > there for their responses:
> >
> > What is the rate at which things burn up when they enter Earth?s atmosphere?
> >
> > About how much material is burned up (mass per unit time)?
> >
> > Along that same idea, for a "typical" chondritic meteoroid, what is the
> > minimum size that you might expect to make it through the atmosphere and
> > land as a meteorite? Ballpark is fine since, clearly there are many
> > factors involved (initial velocity, angle of entry, material strength
> > etc.).
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Larry
> >
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From pshugar at clearwire.net  Wed Oct  7 10:52:44 2009
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:52:44 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question
Message-ID: <88868CEB0A7544BB8EFA1361A2938B60@laptop>

Just how do you pronounce this:
Fukang?
Pete IMCA 1733



From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 11:57:30 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:57:30 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question
In-Reply-To: <88868CEB0A7544BB8EFA1361A2938B60@laptop>
References: <88868CEB0A7544BB8EFA1361A2938B60@laptop>
Message-ID: <e51421550910070857v7547b775l155345a24a3d0be1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pete and List,

I've always called it - FOO KANG

Maybe I have watched too many martial arts movies though. LOL

Best regards,

MikeG


On 10/7/09, Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:
> Just how do you pronounce this:
> Fukang?
> Pete IMCA 1733
>
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Oct  7 12:09:38 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:09:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Spitzer Space Telescope Discovers Largest Ring
	Around Saturn
Message-ID: <200910071609.n97G9crW000722@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-150  

NASA Space Telescope Discovers Largest Ring Around Saturn
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
October 06, 2009

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has discovered an
enormous ring around Saturn -- by far the largest of the giant planet's
many rings.

The new belt lies at the far reaches of the Saturnian system, with an
orbit tilted 27 degrees from the main ring plane. The bulk of its
material starts about six million kilometers (3.7 million miles) away
from the planet and extends outward roughly another 12 million
kilometers (7.4 million miles). One of Saturn's farthest moons, Phoebe,
circles within the newfound ring, and is likely the source of its material.

Saturn's newest halo is thick, too -- its vertical height is about 20
times the diameter of the planet. It would take about one billion Earths
stacked together to fill the ring.

"This is one supersized ring," said Anne Verbiscer, an astronomer at the
University of Virginia, Charlottesville. "If you could see the ring, it
would span the width of two full moons' worth of sky, one on either side
of Saturn." Verbiscer; Douglas Hamilton of the University of Maryland,
College Park; and Michael Skrutskie, of the University of Virginia,
Charlottesville, are authors of a paper about the discovery to be
published online tomorrow by the journal Nature.

The ring itself is tenuous, made up of a thin array of ice and dust
particles. Spitzer's infrared eyes were able to spot the glow of the
band's cool dust. The telescope, launched in 2003, is currently 107
million kilometers (66 million miles) from Earth in orbit around the sun.

The discovery may help solve an age-old riddle of one of Saturn's moons.
Iapetus has a strange appearance -- one side is bright and the other is
really dark, in a pattern that resembles the yin-yang symbol. The
astronomer Giovanni Cassini first spotted the moon in 1671, and years
later figured out it has a dark side, now named Cassini Regio in his
honor. A stunning picture of Iapetus taken by NASA's Cassini spacecraft
is online at http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA08384 .

Saturn's newest addition could explain how Cassini Regio came to be. The
ring is circling in the same direction as Phoebe, while Iapetus, the
other rings and most of Saturn's moons are all going the opposite way.
According to the scientists, some of the dark and dusty material from
the outer ring moves inward toward Iapetus, slamming the icy moon like
bugs on a windshield.

"Astronomers have long suspected that there is a connection between
Saturn's outer moon Phoebe and the dark material on Iapetus," said
Hamilton. "This new ring provides convincing evidence of that
relationship."

Verbiscer and her colleagues used Spitzer's longer-wavelength infrared
camera, called the multiband imaging photometer, to scan through a patch
of sky far from Saturn and a bit inside Phoebe's orbit. The astronomers
had a hunch that Phoebe might be circling around in a belt of dust
kicked up from its minor collisions with comets -- a process similar to
that around stars with dusty disks of planetary debris. Sure enough,
when the scientists took a first look at their Spitzer data, a band of
dust jumped out.

The ring would be difficult to see with visible-light telescopes. Its
particles are diffuse and may even extend beyond the bulk of the ring
material all the way in to Saturn and all the way out to interplanetary
space. The relatively small numbers of particles in the ring wouldn't
reflect much visible light, especially out at Saturn where sunlight is
weak.

"The particles are so far apart that if you were to stand in the ring,
you wouldn't even know it," said Verbiscer.

Spitzer was able to sense the glow of the cool dust, which is only about
80 Kelvin (minus 316 degrees Fahrenheit). Cool objects shine with
infrared, or thermal radiation; for example, even a cup of ice cream is
blazing with infrared light. "By focusing on the glow of the ring's cool
dust, Spitzer made it easy to find," said Verbiscer.

These observations were made before Spitzer ran out of coolant in May
and began its "warm" mission.

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., manages the Spitzer
Space Telescope mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate,
Washington. Science operations are conducted at the Spitzer Science
Center at the California Institute of Technology, also in Pasadena.
Caltech manages JPL for NASA. The multiband imaging photometer for
Spitzer was built by Ball Aerospace Corporation, Boulder, Colo., and the
University of Arizona, Tucson. Its principal investigator is George
Rieke of the University of Arizona.

For additional images relating to the ring discovery and more
information about Spitzer, visit http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu
<http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/spitzer> and http://www.nasa.gov/spitzer .

Whitney Clavin 818-354-4673
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
whitney.clavin at jpl.nasa.gov

J.D. Harrington 202-358-5241
NASA Headquarters, Washington
j.d.harrington at nasa.gov

2009-150



From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  7 12:26:34 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:26:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Monnig Meteorite Collection
In-Reply-To: <6ED18BAF-EEA5-40F5-9105-51A7B5DB90F8@tcu.edu>
References: <6ED18BAF-EEA5-40F5-9105-51A7B5DB90F8@tcu.edu>
Message-ID: <835534.73960.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,

Congratulations on retiring, Art.  I just wanted to say that having Art vacate the curator position is kind of sad although I am positive that his successor, Dr. Rhiannon Mayne will do a fine job.  I am pleased to hear that Art will continue to provide consultation on the very important and most impressive Monnig/TCU collection.

I wish Art, one of the finest  and most positive persons in this avocation,  the very best,

Adam



From edeckert at triad.rr.com  Wed Oct  7 13:01:01 2009
From: edeckert at triad.rr.com (Ed Deckert)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:01:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question
References: <88868CEB0A7544BB8EFA1361A2938B60@laptop>
Message-ID: <01c901ca476f$bffea8c0$6401a8c0@EdDeckertMain>

Q - > Just how do you pronounce this:
> Fukang?

A - Very carefully...   ;-)



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> Just how do you pronounce this:
> Fukang?
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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 13:40:37 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:40:37 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - MAPS Journals, Meteorite Magazine,
	NWA 869 slices, Moldavite, Vaca Muerta micros.
Message-ID: <e51421550910071040q5680af03pdde0490992912811@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks!

I need to liquidate a few things to free up some cash.  This could be
an opportunity to score a few bargains.

I am open to fair offers on the following lots - (contact me off list
with offers - meteoritemike at gmail.com)

1) Four issues of MAPS - the journal of Meteoritics and Planetary
Science.  More articles and technical papers on meteorites than you
can shake a stick at.  Issues are - Jan, Apr, May, and Jul of 2009.
These are quick thick and heavy, so overseas shipping may be
prohibitive for some.  I can send these in a Priority Flat Rate box to
anywhere in the US or Canada, or via Media Mail in the US.  I have
these priced on clearance (on my website) at $10 each plus shipping.
I am open to any fair offer - if interested, contact me off list.

2) Four issues of Meteorite Magazine - the entire 2008 year, 4
quarterly issues.  Again, this is more meteorite articles than you can
shake a stick at.  These are priced at $75 plus ship on my website,
but I am open to fair offers.

3) I have 4 faceted Moldavite gemstones that average about 1 carat
each.  These are very nice oval and pear cuts.  These are listed at
$20 - $25 each on  my website, but I am open to offers on the entire
lot of 4 stones.

I also have slices of NWA 869 and NWA 4300 chondrites available -
prices start at just $5.

I have Vaca Muerta mesosiderite micromounts for $5 shipped.  (nice
little chunks, not specks)

If anyone if interested in non-meteoritic goodies, I have those too -
shark teeth, gastropod, and mollusc fossils.  Minerals, crystals,
Neolithic arrowheads, trinitite, fulgurites, and other interesting
collectibles.

Photos are available on request.

Visit my website or contact me offlist for details.

www.galactic-stone.com

meteoritemike at gmail.com

Thanks for looking!

MikeG

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From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Wed Oct  7 14:07:51 2009
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (meteoriteshow at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:07:51 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending on Saturday
Message-ID: <1254938871.4accd8f7738fc@imp.free.fr>

Dear Listees,


Our ebay auctions ending on Saturday can be seen at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZmeteoriteshow

They include:

1- Al Haggounia 001 PRIM. AUB. - 7.4g partslice
Partslice #003 weighing 7.4g, dimensions 60x25x2.7mm.
Cut in one of the freshest framents of Al Haggounia 001
Was splitted in 2 pieces along an oxydized vein while cutting, the 2 pieces
being together in this auction for the interest of the oxydized vein.
Shipped in a display box.
STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE, NO BID YET...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330364832541

2- DaG 561 - H4 - 83.4g MAIN MASS
MAIN MASS weighing 83.4g: 3 pces 57.0g + 16.8g + 9.6g
You get the MAIN MASS in three pieces (TKW: 83.52).
STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE, NO BID YET...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330364832706

3- DaG 945 - EUCRITE - 6.8g partslice
PARTSLICE #3 weighing 6.8g, dimensions 45x41x1.5mm
FRESH meteorite (W1), it displays nice BLACK FUSION CRUST on the edge.
Shipped in a display box.
STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE, NO BID YET...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330364832807

4- DaG 951 - L5 - 8.6g partslice
PARTSLICE weighing 8.6g, dimensions 39x23x5mm
STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE, NO BID YET...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330364838076

5- SAH 02500 L3 - 74.0g "MONOLITH"
"Monolith" weighing 74.2g, dimensions: 49x49x20mm.
Enduct with cut, varnished & glued on a plexiglass stand for display.
Typical structure of SAH 02500 diplaying 2 lithologies and a nice grey inclusion
STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE, NO BID YET...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330364838212

6- SAH 03503 LL6 - 20.1g slice
RARE!
Slice weighing 20.1g, dimensions: 77x51x2.2mm.
This meteorite is VERY FRESH and even though was found FUSION CRUST LESS!
The cut surface displays sharp chondrules and fiew metal flakes in a fair grey
matrix
STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE, NO BID YET...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330364838438

Thank you very much for watching and best wishes to ALL BIDDERS!!!
Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)


From fujmon at mac.com  Wed Oct  7 14:56:22 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:56:22 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-NWA slices, ebay auctions
Message-ID: <21A96DB4-F28C-44A9-83F9-759F8C8AAC4E@mac.com>

Aloha,

I have expertly prepared slices and endcuts of unclassified NWA  
meteorites.  A 77g crusted stone was split in half to reveal a matrix  
full of multicolor chondrules, and a possible L3 classification.   
There are two endcuts of 27.12g (crusted) and 47.61g.

An 81g crusted meteorite was cut to produce 2 full slices (10.4g,  
13.17g) and 2 endcuts (13.31g, 37.43g crusted).  The cutting revealed  
a possible diogenite, full of large, granular red and green crystals,  
and many small cavities or vesicles throughout the specimen.  I agree  
with my cutter that this material is very reminiscent of Dhofar 700.

http://astroday.net/meteorites4sale.html
If interested in any of these, please contact me offlist

Also, the Big Kahuna has some quality meteorites up for auction on  
ebay ending this Saturday  at 9:36 am PDT.  Up for grabs are:

NWA 869 thumbprinted beauty 11.39g
NWA x unclassified individuals 20.81g, 225g
Chergach H5, 39.12g, 99% FC
Bassikounou H5, 4.07g 99% FC
Gao-Guenie H5, 36.48g individual
Allende CV3, 8.21g crusted individual+paper
Camel Donga Euc, 5.9g flowlined beauty
Holbrook 6.43g crusted individual
Chergach H5, 102g 97% FC awesome

http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

Bids are still at opening or low levels, so its possible to grab some  
good deals on quality meteorites this weekend.

Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Oct  7 16:12:11 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:12:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Refines Asteroid Apophis' Path Toward Earth
Message-ID: <200910072012.n97KCBle009213@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Oct. 7, 2009

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov 

DC Agle 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
818-393-9011 
agle at jpl.nasa.gov 

RELEASE: 09-232

NASA REFINES ASTEROID APOPHIS' PATH TOWARD EARTH

PASADENA, Calif. -- Using updated information, NASA scientists have 
recalculated the path of a large asteroid. The refined path indicates 
a significantly reduced likelihood of a hazardous encounter with 
Earth in 2036. 

The Apophis asteroid is approximately the size of two-and-a-half 
football fields. The new data were documented by near-Earth object 
scientists Steve Chesley and Paul Chodas at NASA's Jet Propulsion 
Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. They will present their updated 
findings at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society's Division 
for Planetary Sciences in Puerto Rico on Oct. 8. 

"Apophis has been one of those celestial bodies that has captured the 
public's interest since it was discovered in 2004," said Chesley. 
"Updated computational techniques and newly available data indicate 
the probability of an Earth encounter on April 13, 2036, for Apophis 
has dropped from one-in-45,000 to about four-in-a million." 

A majority of the data that enabled the updated orbit of Apophis came 
from observations Dave Tholen and collaborators at the University of 
Hawaii's Institute for Astronomy in Manoa made. Tholen pored over 
hundreds of previously unreleased images of the night sky made with 
the University of Hawaii's 88-inch telescope, located near the summit 
of Mauna Kea. 

Tholen made improved measurements of the asteroid's position in the 
images, enabling him to provide Chesley and Chodas with new data sets 
more precise than previous measures for Apophis. Measurements from 
the Steward Observatory's 90-inch Bok telescope on Kitt Peak in 
Arizona and the Arecibo Observatory on the island of Puerto Rico also 
were used in Chesley's calculations. 

The information provided a more accurate glimpse of Apophis' orbit 
well into the latter part of this century. Among the findings is 
another close encounter by the asteroid with Earth in 2068 with 
chance of impact currently at approximately three-in-a-million. As 
with earlier orbital estimates where Earth impacts in 2029 and 2036 
could not initially be ruled out due to the need for additional data, 
it is expected that the 2068 encounter will diminish in probability 
as more information about Apophis is acquired. 

Initially, Apophis was thought to have a 2.7 percent chance of 
impacting Earth in 2029. Additional observations of the asteroid 
ruled out any possibility of an impact in 2029. However, the asteroid 
is expected to make a record-setting -- but harmless -- close 
approach to Earth on Friday, April 13, 2029, when it comes no closer 
than 18,300 miles above Earth's surface. 

"The refined orbital determination further reinforces that Apophis is 
an asteroid we can look to as an opportunity for exciting science and 
not something that should be feared," said Don Yeomans, manager of 
the Near-Earth Object Program Office at JPL. "The public can follow 
along as we continue to study Apophis and other near-Earth objects by 
visiting us on our AsteroidWatch Web site and by following us on the 
@AsteroidWatch Twitter feed." 

The science of predicting asteroid orbits is based on a physical model 
of the solar system which includes the gravitational influence of the 
sun, moon, other planets and the three largest asteroids. 

NASA detects and tracks asteroids and comets passing close to Earth 
using both ground and space-based telescopes. The Near Earth-Object 
Observations Program, commonly called "Spaceguard," discovers these 
objects, characterizes a subset of them and plots their orbits to 
determine if any could be potentially hazardous to our planet. 

JPL manages the Near-Earth Object Program Office for NASA's Science 
Mission Directorate in Washington. Cornell University operates the 
Arecibo Observatory under a cooperative agreement with the National 
Science Foundation in Arlington, Va. 

For more information about asteroids and near-Earth objects, visit: 

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroidwatch 

For more information about NASA, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov 

-end-



From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  7 17:22:35 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:22:35 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cameras capture meteor streaking across
	southwestern Ontario sky
Message-ID: <SNT117-W36AF604E1B8451FCFAD28AD2CD0@phx.gbl>



Another to find.

Greg S.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gc02xq2SfHYi7MU5cBzKdFRI9wLQ

LONDON, Ont. ? Astronomers at the University of Western Ontario have
captured footage of a meteor streaking across the night sky, and are
now asking residents in a region of southwestern Ontario to help hunt
for fragments of what could be a very important find.A
"brilliant fireball" approximately 100 times brighter than a full moon
lit up the skies over the west end of Lake Ontario on Sept. 25 at 9:03
p.m.The university's physics and astronomy department has a
network of "all-sky" cameras in southern Ontario that monitor for
meteors and seven cameras captured video images of the meteor.University
astronomers are now asking residents around Grimsby, Ont., to help
recover one or more possible meteorites as they may provide some
fascinating answers."This particular meteorite fall, if any are
found, is very important because its arrival was so well recorded,"
Phil McCausland, a postdoctoral fellow at the university's Centre for
Planetary Science and Exploration, said in a statement.The
images as well as radar and infrasound information can help the
astronomers piece together the meteor's orbit before it fell to Earth
and determine the energy of the fireball event."We can also figure out where it came from and how it got here, which is rare," McCausland said."In all of history only about a dozen meteorite falls have that kind of record."Camera
images and other data indicate the meteoroid, originally the size of a
tricycle, dropped meteorites that may weigh up to several kilograms in
a region south of Grimsby on the Niagara Peninsula.Researchers
are interested in hearing from anyone within 10 kilometres of Grimsby
who may have seen the fireball or who may find possible meteorite
fragments.In Canada, meteorites belong to the owner of the land
on which they are discovered, so any amateur meteorite hunters should
get permission of a landowner before searching there, McCausland said.Meteorites
are black on the outside, are usually denser than normal rock and will
often attract a fridge magnet because of their metal content. In this
case the meteorites may be found in a small hole in the ground due to
the force of their fall, McCausland said.Anyone who recovers a
possible meteorite is asked to place it in a clean plastic bag or
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From mlblood at cox.net  Wed Oct  7 17:25:46 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:25:46 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question/A
In-Reply-To: <88868CEB0A7544BB8EFA1361A2938B60@laptop>
Message-ID: <C6F2556A.7F54%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Pete,
        I have always heard it as "foo-kang"
        Best wishes, Michael


On 10/7/09 7:52 AM, "Pete Shugar" <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:

> Just how do you pronounce this:
> Fukang?
> Pete IMCA 1733
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From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 17:32:37 2009
From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:32:37 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Melanies Caldwell inclusion---any
 clarification?Did I miss it or did this just fade away
Message-ID: <29824592.159671254951157583.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

listees
       I can't believe this just faded into obscurity.

Was this a photoshopped trick picture or what?

Is that peacock eye for real?

WO!

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4028/calwell1.jpg


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Oct  7 17:42:36 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:42:36 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Give Away price on this one...
Message-ID: <2DEBFFB7-9E30-43B0-83FF-2457551C211C@gilanet.com>

Hello,

A Give Away Price on this one and others just relisted!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200381008742


All Auctions Here:

> http://shop.ebay.com:80/merchant/meteorite-collector_W0QQLHQ5fAuctionZ1QQ


Thanks

Michael Cottingham


From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  7 19:15:51 2009
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:15:51 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Melanie's Caldwell inclusion
Message-ID: <COL108-W5002837197E49805ED568A9BCD0@phx.gbl>


I have a 1.95g slice of Caldwell from Steve Arnold, too, but it has no trace of Melanie's peacock eye.:( I'm sure there were no further comments (except from Bernd) because nobody can figure that one out. Maybe Melanie will have to send it off to Dr. Rubin.

To view this Caldwell peacock eye inclusion:

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4028/calwell1.jpg

Carl






Jim Brady wrote:
>I can't believe this just faded into obscurity.

Was this a photoshopped trick picture or what?

Is that peacock eye for real?

WO!

>>Melanie wrote:
PS of Caldwell that I got from Steve Arnold (of "Meteorite Men") a while ago
- it has something on it that I'm not certain whether it's a chondrule or 
what...
never seen anything quite like it. 

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4028/calwell1.jpg 

>>Hi Melanie, Graham, Alan and List,

That's surely an odd "inclusion". No idea what we are looking at but Caldwell
was reclassified by Alan Rubin as an L chondrite impact-melt breccia. Alan is
a list member so, maybe, he can shed some light on it. Any input would really
be greatly appreciated because curious mind want to know!

Best wishes,

Bernd




 		 	   		  
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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 21:09:01 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:09:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] October Meteorite-Times is now up
In-Reply-To: <4ACC0BC2.5080202@meteorite.com>
References: <4ACC0BC2.5080202@meteorite.com>
Message-ID: <e51421550910071809j13ce09e3n64fd272c22c74a31@mail.gmail.com>

Great job again.....as always! :)

Thanks for all your hard work in putting this together every month.

Best regards,

MikeG


On 10/6/09, Paul Harris <paul at meteorite.com> wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> The October issue of Meteorite-Times is now up.
> http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite_frame.htm
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Paul and Jim
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From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Thu Oct  8 00:15:06 2009
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:15:06 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] New meteorite tee shirt at Tee Fury
Message-ID: <79FFAF1F86FF4A8BAA8493C36F841666@windows9bb74fe>

Goes away in 24 hours

http://www.teefury.com/

Rob Wesel
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From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  8 00:25:35 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:25:35 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Melanie's Caldwell inclusion
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W5002837197E49805ED568A9BCD0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL108-W5002837197E49805ED568A9BCD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W12CBC451CE587E6B6A7A2ED6CC0@phx.gbl>


I'll have to think about that...maybe I'll cut away a corner containing part of the inclusion.. It's too pretty the way it is, though... 

Regards 
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IMCA: 2975
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?
Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! 




> From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:15:51 -0700
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Melanie's Caldwell inclusion
> 
> 
> I have a 1.95g slice of Caldwell from Steve Arnold, too, but it has no trace of Melanie's peacock eye.:( I'm sure there were no further comments (except from Bernd) because nobody can figure that one out. Maybe Melanie will have to send it off to Dr. Rubin.
> 
> To view this Caldwell peacock eye inclusion:
> 
> http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4028/calwell1.jpg
> 
> Carl
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Brady wrote:
>>I can't believe this just faded into obscurity.
> 
> Was this a photoshopped trick picture or what?
> 
> Is that peacock eye for real?
> 
> WO!
> 
>>>Melanie wrote:
> PS of Caldwell that I got from Steve Arnold (of "Meteorite Men") a while ago
> - it has something on it that I'm not certain whether it's a chondrule or 
> what...
> never seen anything quite like it. 
> 
> http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4028/calwell1.jpg 
> 
>>>Hi Melanie, Graham, Alan and List,
> 
> That's surely an odd "inclusion". No idea what we are looking at but Caldwell
> was reclassified by Alan Rubin as an L chondrite impact-melt breccia. Alan is
> a list member so, maybe, he can shed some light on it. Any input would really
> be greatly appreciated because curious mind want to know!
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Bernd
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  8 03:34:58 2009
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 03:34:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Melanie's Caldwell inclusion
Message-ID: <11876126.1254987298416.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Jeez, Melanie, Don't do anything to it. Keep it as it is..apparently it's very unusual. I would contact Dr. Rubin at UCLA and see if he wouldn't look at it if you were to send it to him with prepaid return postage and packaging. If I were qualified to classify meteorites I would be delighted to get my scope on this specimen.

Count Deiro 

-----Original Message-----
>From: Melanie Matthews <spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 8, 2009 12:25 AM
>To: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Melanie's Caldwell inclusion
>
>
>I'll have to think about that...maybe I'll cut away a corner containing part of the inclusion.. It's too pretty the way it is, though... 
>
>Regards 
>-----------
>Melanie 
>IMCA: 2975
>eBay: metmel2775
>Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>?
>Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! 
>
>
>
>
>> From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:15:51 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Melanie's Caldwell inclusion
>> 
>> 
>> I have a 1.95g slice of Caldwell from Steve Arnold, too, but it has no trace of Melanie's peacock eye.:( I'm sure there were no further comments (except from Bernd) because nobody can figure that one out. Maybe Melanie will have to send it off to Dr. Rubin.
>> 
>> To view this Caldwell peacock eye inclusion:
>> 
>> http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4028/calwell1.jpg
>> 
>> Carl
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim Brady wrote:
>>>I can't believe this just faded into obscurity.
>> 
>> Was this a photoshopped trick picture or what?
>> 
>> Is that peacock eye for real?
>> 
>> WO!
>> 
>>>>Melanie wrote:
>> PS of Caldwell that I got from Steve Arnold (of "Meteorite Men") a while ago
>> - it has something on it that I'm not certain whether it's a chondrule or 
>> what...
>> never seen anything quite like it. 
>> 
>> http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4028/calwell1.jpg 
>> 
>>>>Hi Melanie, Graham, Alan and List,
>> 
>> That's surely an odd "inclusion". No idea what we are looking at but Caldwell
>> was reclassified by Alan Rubin as an L chondrite impact-melt breccia. Alan is
>> a list member so, maybe, he can shed some light on it. Any input would really
>> be greatly appreciated because curious mind want to know!
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Bernd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  8 07:49:29 2009
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 04:49:29 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Melanie's Caldwell inclusion
Message-ID: <COL108-W6230886A7BEEB1F22148409BCC0@phx.gbl>


Agreed! Mel, Is this the meteorite you received on your birthday from Steve?

Carl

>
> Jeez, Melanie, Don't do anything to it. Keep it as it is..apparently it's very unusual. I would contact Dr. Rubin at UCLA and see if he wouldn't look at it if you were to send it to him with prepaid return postage and packaging. If I were qualified to classify meteorites I would be delighted to get my scope on this specimen.
>
> Count Deiro

 		 	   		  
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From mpg4444 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 08:00:51 2009
From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:00:51 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sept. 25th Ontario Fireball Info w/ Videos and Map
Message-ID: <ad733150910080500v79097636g9b5f2f1bd30dcd08@mail.gmail.com>

Really nice site with alot of information:

http://aquarid.physics.uwo.ca/research/fireball/events/25sept2009/

Mike


From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  8 11:03:56 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:03:56 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Melanie's Caldwell inclusion
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W6230886A7BEEB1F22148409BCC0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL108-W6230886A7BEEB1F22148409BCC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W4E83E9B7D5876CEAB6418D6CC0@phx.gbl>


Yup it is, Carl! 

I'm leaving it the way it is! :) Steve already had one side with the inclusion all nicely polished to a mirror finish before selling it.. I wouldn't trade it for anything! 

Cheers 
-----------
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IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09

Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get!






----------------------------------------
> From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 04:49:29 -0700
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Melanie's Caldwell inclusion
>
>
> Agreed! Mel, Is this the meteorite you received on your birthday from Steve?
>
> Carl
>
>>
>> Jeez, Melanie, Don't do anything to it. Keep it as it is..apparently it's very unusual. I would contact Dr. Rubin at UCLA and see if he wouldn't look at it if you were to send it to him with prepaid return postage and packaging. If I were qualified to classify meteorites I would be delighted to get my scope on this specimen.
>>
>> Count Deiro
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From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  8 11:31:54 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:31:54 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sept. 25th Ontario Fireball Info w/ Videos and
 Map
In-Reply-To: <ad733150910080500v79097636g9b5f2f1bd30dcd08@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad733150910080500v79097636g9b5f2f1bd30dcd08@mail.gmail.com>
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I hope the strewnfield is located soon before the weather takes its toll the meteorites it has left! 

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Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09

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> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:00:51 -0400
> From: mpg4444 at gmail.com
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Sept. 25th Ontario Fireball Info w/ Videos and Map
>
> Really nice site with alot of information:
>
> http://aquarid.physics.uwo.ca/research/fireball/events/25sept2009/
>
> Mike
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From majesticmeteorites at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 13:10:13 2009
From: majesticmeteorites at gmail.com (Whitney Riner)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:10:13 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Meteorite on White House Lawn
Message-ID: <e283ab000910081010v67609471t4d8ddcafcf95c7d5@mail.gmail.com>

Among other things at the White House astronomy night last evening:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/07/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5370147.shtml


From yellowengine at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  8 16:31:30 2009
From: yellowengine at earthlink.net (RJP)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:31:30 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2009 Witnessed Falls
Message-ID: <26951214.1255033890610.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Does anyone know where I can find a complete, up to date list of all the witnessed (recovered) falls in 2009 thus far? I believe Roman Jirasek has one set up, but I can't locate it. (??) 

Ryan


From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 16:38:07 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:38:07 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2009 Witnessed Falls
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References: <26951214.1255033890610.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <e51421550910081338qcaca04iae251a9a784ea003@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ryan,

You might be thinking of this -

http://www.jensenmeteorites.com/New%20meteorites.htm

Best regards,

MikeG


On 10/8/09, RJP <yellowengine at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can find a complete, up to date list of all the
> witnessed (recovered) falls in 2009 thus far? I believe Roman Jirasek has
> one set up, but I can't locate it. (??)
>
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 16:43:08 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:43:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
Message-ID: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,

Wow, I could not believe what I read  the Mohave Valley Daily News and the local papers today.

It states that the American Gem Trade Association is likely to accept an offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and Mineral show here in Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson. The Chief executive, Doug Hucker told the Tucson City council, "if we do not see progress on a hotel and upgrading of the convention center, we will leave."    

Vendors have been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure to support such a show in Tucson and state, it is time to move to a venue that can adequately host such an event such as Las Vegas which is at the top of the list.  It looks like Las Vegas will bend over backwards to get the estimated $100 million this show pumps into the local economy every year.  Las Vegas could easily accommodate this event since it is the number one tourist and convention destination in the world.

Best Regards,

Adam


From bencubbin at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  8 16:50:10 2009
From: bencubbin at hotmail.com (Howard Steffic)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:50:10 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL121-W5290EB8F86F1894725C1FBB7CC0@phx.gbl>


http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=11269751
 
and
 
http://www.fox11az.com/news/local/63670977.html

Howard Steffic 


> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:43:08 -0700
> From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
> 
> Dear List Members,
> 
> Wow, I could not believe what I read the Mohave Valley Daily News and the local papers today.
> 
> It states that the American Gem Trade Association is likely to accept an offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and Mineral show here in Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson. The Chief executive, Doug Hucker told the Tucson City council, "if we do not see progress on a hotel and upgrading of the convention center, we will leave." 
> 
> Vendors have been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure to support such a show in Tucson and state, it is time to move to a venue that can adequately host such an event such as Las Vegas which is at the top of the list. It looks like Las Vegas will bend over backwards to get the estimated $100 million this show pumps into the local economy every year. Las Vegas could easily accommodate this event since it is the number one tourist and convention destination in the world.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Adam
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Thu Oct  8 17:08:32 2009
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:08:32 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC1672A09BD65D-4F88-49F2@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Adam, List,

Maybe Las Vegas, NV probably could build a miniature Tucson with 
working freeways and hotels in time for next February, complete with a 
Tucson Ring cornerstone half buried in the middle? Is the article 
talking about pulling the entire Show as you mentioned? Or, since the 
City of Tucson probably runs the show, is it only a just creative 
posturing from a rep from one of the major vendor blocks whose 
constituients are complaining about how Tucson takes the show for 
granted?

Best wishes,
Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
To: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 3:43 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?



Dear List Members,

Wow, I could not believe what I read the Mohave Valley Daily News and 
the local
papers today.

It states that the American Gem Trade Association is likely to accept 
an offer
 from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and Mineral show here in 
Nevada after
a run since 1955 in Tucson. The Chief executive, Doug Hucker told the 
Tucson
City council, "if we do not see progress on a hotel and upgrading of 
the
convention center, we will leave."

Vendors have been complaining for years about the lack of 
infrastructure to
support such a show in Tucson and state, it is time to move to a venue 
that can
adequately host such an event such as Las Vegas which is at the top of 
the list.
It looks like Las Vegas will bend over backwards to get the estimated 
$100
million this show pumps into the local economy every year. Las Vegas 
could
easily accommodate this event since it is the number one tourist and 
convention
destination in the world.

Best Regards,

Adam
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Thu Oct  8 17:16:21 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:16:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ACE56A5.3080703@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Adam, List,

That's not good... It may be good for Las Vegas, but for show 
vendors/exhibitors this will mean increased costs for spaces/displays. 
Vegas ain't cheap!

Tucson should do something to resolve this, if it truly is an issue of 
more accommodation and better facilities for the show.

For the show to be scattered across the city throughout hotels and large 
lots is part of the Tucson Show experience, and makes it unique and 
something I will never forget. I love the show the way it is, though it 
could use a little improvement on infrastructure and logistics it's all 
part of the Tucson Show...

Expand, build and accommodate! The show will always continue to expand 
so plan for it... Tucson is the heart of the mineral world for a reason, 
why the hell move it because a show promoter is inconvenienced? Let them 
leave if they want... This means more room for others who couldn't 
display in previous years. I know dealers and vendors who would kill for 
a new spot! The waiting list is long...

It would also no longer be the "Tucson Show!" and what a travesty that 
would be...

Regards,
Eric




Adam Hupe wrote:
> Dear List Members,
>
> Wow, I could not believe what I read  the Mohave Valley Daily News and the local papers today.
>
> It states that the American Gem Trade Association is likely to accept an offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and Mineral show here in Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson. The Chief executive, Doug Hucker told the Tucson City council, "if we do not see progress on a hotel and upgrading of the convention center, we will leave."    
>
> Vendors have been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure to support such a show in Tucson and state, it is time to move to a venue that can adequately host such an event such as Las Vegas which is at the top of the list.  It looks like Las Vegas will bend over backwards to get the estimated $100 million this show pumps into the local economy every year.  Las Vegas could easily accommodate this event since it is the number one tourist and convention destination in the world.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam
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From wahlperry at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 17:14:39 2009
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:14:39 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC16737B0CB4B4-7388-14E4D@webmail-d041.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Adam and List,

This would be great! We could have the auction and Birthday bash at the 
top of the Palms Hotel and Casino!


Sonny


-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
To: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 1:43 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?






Dear List Members,

Wow, I could not believe what I read  the Mohave Valley Daily News and 
the local
papers today.

It states that the American Gem Trade Association is likely to accept 
an offer
 from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and Mineral show here in 
Nevada after
a run since 1955 in Tucson. The Chief executive, Doug Hucker told the 
Tucson
City council, "if we do not see progress on a hotel and upgrading of 
the
convention center, we will leave."

Vendors have been complaining for years about the lack of 
infrastructure to
support such a show in Tucson and state, it is time to move to a venue 
that can
adequately host such an event such as Las Vegas which is at the top of 
the list.
It looks like Las Vegas will bend over backwards to get the estimated 
$100
million this show pumps into the local economy every year.  Las Vegas 
could
easily accommodate this event since it is the number one tourist and 
convention
destination in the world.

Best Regards,

Adam
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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 17:26:17 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:26:17 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <4ACE56A5.3080703@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4ACE56A5.3080703@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <e51421550910081426w6a3db7e6h5b33fbac3ba41478@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Adam, Eric and List,

It's the same thing with sports facilities.  If it doesn't have enough
luxury boxes and premium suites, then the team owners demand a new
facility or take the team to a new city that will offer one.

This is little different.  I've never been to Tucson yet and I was
hoping to attend before it becomes the Vegas Show.  I'm sure the
situation in Tucson is not perfect and there is room for improvement,
given the size and scope of the show.  But, is Vegas really going to
be better, or is it going to be better for type of exhibitor - the
high end dealer who pays super top dollar for a booth inside the main
show facility and who generates more sales in a weekend than a dealer
outside in a parking lot tent might make during the entire show run.
This caters to the type of vendor whose customers stay in the
expensive hotel suites and not in their RV's or at the Motel 8.  I'm
sure the organizers responsible for the move are seeing dollar signs
on this one.  Not everyone is going to be happy because it represents
change.  If I lived in Vegas, I'd be thrilled to have the big gem and
mineral show closer to home.  Heck, I'd love to see the show come to
Tampa, so I could easily attend.  If I lived in Tucson (or near
there), then I would be upset to see the show go.

Best regards,

MikeG


On 10/8/09, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:
> Hi Adam, List,
>
> That's not good... It may be good for Las Vegas, but for show
> vendors/exhibitors this will mean increased costs for spaces/displays.
> Vegas ain't cheap!
>
> Tucson should do something to resolve this, if it truly is an issue of
> more accommodation and better facilities for the show.
>
> For the show to be scattered across the city throughout hotels and large
> lots is part of the Tucson Show experience, and makes it unique and
> something I will never forget. I love the show the way it is, though it
> could use a little improvement on infrastructure and logistics it's all
> part of the Tucson Show...
>
> Expand, build and accommodate! The show will always continue to expand
> so plan for it... Tucson is the heart of the mineral world for a reason,
> why the hell move it because a show promoter is inconvenienced? Let them
> leave if they want... This means more room for others who couldn't
> display in previous years. I know dealers and vendors who would kill for
> a new spot! The waiting list is long...
>
> It would also no longer be the "Tucson Show!" and what a travesty that
> would be...
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
>
>
>
> Adam Hupe wrote:
>> Dear List Members,
>>
>> Wow, I could not believe what I read  the Mohave Valley Daily News and the
>> local papers today.
>>
>> It states that the American Gem Trade Association is likely to accept an
>> offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and Mineral show here in
>> Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson. The Chief executive, Doug Hucker
>> told the Tucson City council, "if we do not see progress on a hotel and
>> upgrading of the convention center, we will leave."
>>
>> Vendors have been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure
>> to support such a show in Tucson and state, it is time to move to a venue
>> that can adequately host such an event such as Las Vegas which is at the
>> top of the list.  It looks like Las Vegas will bend over backwards to get
>> the estimated $100 million this show pumps into the local economy every
>> year.  Las Vegas could easily accommodate this event since it is the
>> number one tourist and convention destination in the world.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Adam
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 17:29:15 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:29:15 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <8CC1672A09BD65D-4F88-49F2@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com>
References: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<8CC1672A09BD65D-4F88-49F2@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C54906D8FA134CA78793787F8CC30A03@Bandli1>

Vegas... that would mean everyone's spouse would actually want to go to the
meteorite show. Not sure if that is good or bad :) Would love to see Anne
Black's room at the Taj...

-----------------------------------
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From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mexicodoug
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:09 PM
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?

Hi Adam, List,

Maybe Las Vegas, NV probably could build a miniature Tucson with 
working freeways and hotels in time for next February, complete with a 
Tucson Ring cornerstone half buried in the middle? Is the article 
talking about pulling the entire Show as you mentioned? Or, since the 
City of Tucson probably runs the show, is it only a just creative 
posturing from a rep from one of the major vendor blocks whose 
constituients are complaining about how Tucson takes the show for 
granted?

Best wishes,
Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
To: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 3:43 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?



Dear List Members,

Wow, I could not believe what I read the Mohave Valley Daily News and 
the local
papers today.

It states that the American Gem Trade Association is likely to accept 
an offer
 from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and Mineral show here in 
Nevada after
a run since 1955 in Tucson. The Chief executive, Doug Hucker told the 
Tucson
City council, "if we do not see progress on a hotel and upgrading of 
the
convention center, we will leave."

Vendors have been complaining for years about the lack of 
infrastructure to
support such a show in Tucson and state, it is time to move to a venue 
that can
adequately host such an event such as Las Vegas which is at the top of 
the list.
It looks like Las Vegas will bend over backwards to get the estimated 
$100
million this show pumps into the local economy every year. Las Vegas 
could
easily accommodate this event since it is the number one tourist and 
convention
destination in the world.

Best Regards,

Adam
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From GeoZay at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 17:51:18 2009
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:51:18 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
Message-ID: <c45.37f6009a.37ffb8d6@aol.com>


>>It states that the American Gem  Trade Association is likely to accept an 
offer from Las Vegas to relocate the  entire Gem and Mineral show here in 
Nevada after a run since 1955 in  Tucson<<

This is encouraging news for me personally...It would mean  that a 
meteorite show will be within traveling distance for me to attend some  day. 
GeoZay  



From garychase at live.com  Thu Oct  8 17:55:55 2009
From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:55:55 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <c45.37f6009a.37ffb8d6@aol.com>
References: <c45.37f6009a.37ffb8d6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W50285F13615B994AA24981D2CC0@phx.gbl>


I am guessing that if you can't afford to travel to Tucson then you probably don't have much money to spend at the show.  May as well stay home and leave the shows to the buyers with money to spend.

Gary
 
 
> From: GeoZay at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:51:18 -0400
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
> 
> 
>>>It states that the American Gem Trade Association is likely to accept an 
> offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and Mineral show here in 
> Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson<<
> 
> This is encouraging news for me personally...It would mean that a 
> meteorite show will be within traveling distance for me to attend some day. 
> GeoZay 
> 
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From GeoZay at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 18:08:49 2009
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:08:49 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
Message-ID: <d13.330d7057.37ffbcf1@aol.com>


>>I am guessing that if you can't  afford to travel to Tucson then you 
probably don't have much money to spend at  the show.  May as well stay home and 
leave the shows to the buyers with  money to spend. Gary<<

Huh?  Then I'm guessing that if you are  a rich buyer with lots of money to 
spend, you can afford to change your  destination to Las Vegas. :O) 
Actually, getting to Las Vegas would be quite easy  for me. All I have to do is 
suggest going to Vegas to my wife and she will have  the car packed before I 
know it. :O)
GeoZay  



From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 18:05:13 2009
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:05:13 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W50285F13615B994AA24981D2CC0@phx.gbl>
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well with the show in vegas buyers will be dropping money on the
tables and not the meteorites...

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Gary Chase <garychase at live.com> wrote:
>
> I am guessing that if you can't afford to travel to Tucson then you probably don't have much money to spend at the show. ?May as well stay home and leave the shows to the buyers with money to spend.
>
> Gary
>
>
>> From: GeoZay at aol.com
>> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:51:18 -0400
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
>>
>>
>>>>It states that the American Gem Trade Association is likely to accept an
>> offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and Mineral show here in
>> Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson<<
>>
>> This is encouraging news for me personally...It would mean that a
>> meteorite show will be within traveling distance for me to attend some day.
>> GeoZay
>>
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 18:19:00 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:19:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Moving To Vegas?
Message-ID: <2849.24960.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Darryl and List,

I am just quoting what the local papers are saying. Las Vegas claims to be the number one everything in the world, just ask anybody
who lives there or reports the news.  I live 90 miles from Las Vegas
and a couple hundred or so from Tucson so it doesn't  mater much to me.

I
think Las Vegas would be a lot less expensive for such an event. You
can secure off season rooms for just $29.95 a night right on the strip,
flights are much cheaper than going to Tucson which requires a transfer
through Phoenix and the vendor rates are much lower due to some of the
best tax rates in the nation.

Try finding a decent room in
Tucson for less than $100.00/night during the show. I waited to the
last second to book one year and got stuck in a $140.00/night room
complete with the noise of a neighboring tenant's head banging off of
the wall, bugs, a crack pipe in the oven and the smell of only what
could be described as death.  I almost never returned to Tucson after
that experience. The year before, one motel tried to rip me off for
over $900.00.  It took me months to dispute these charges on my credit
card.  A hotel in Vegas would be out of business immediately if they
treated tourists this poorly because it is bad for everybody.  

I
think Tucson would still be the best place if they catered more to the
event. It seems this is all the vendors are asking for. Sounds
reasonable to me.

One more thing. There are about 10 great
meteorite hunting sites within a few hours drive and one that is less
than 20 minutes away from Vegas.


Best Regards,

Adam


From darryl at dof3.com  Thu Oct  8 17:47:25 2009
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:47:25 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BC310499-0A5B-48CC-AF31-017382FE4203@dof3.com>



Adam!

Las Vegas is not the #1 tourist destination in the world!!!!

:-)





On Oct 8, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:

> Dear List Members,
>
> Wow, I could not believe what I read  the Mohave Valley Daily News  
> and the local papers today.
>
> It states that the American Gem Trade Association is likely to  
> accept an offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and  
> Mineral show here in Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson. The  
> Chief executive, Doug Hucker told the Tucson City council, "if we do  
> not see progress on a hotel and upgrading of the convention center,  
> we will leave."
>
> Vendors have been complaining for years about the lack of  
> infrastructure to support such a show in Tucson and state, it is  
> time to move to a venue that can adequately host such an event such  
> as Las Vegas which is at the top of the list.  It looks like Las  
> Vegas will bend over backwards to get the estimated $100 million  
> this show pumps into the local economy every year.  Las Vegas could  
> easily accommodate this event since it is the number one tourist and  
> convention destination in the world.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam
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From GeoZay at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 18:18:46 2009
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:18:46 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
Message-ID: <d39.58e1a60b.37ffbf46@aol.com>

>>well with the show in vegas buyers will  be dropping money on the
tables and not the  meteorites...<<

Probably do both...and maybe even attract a fair  number of new folks to 
acquire a "souvenir from space" from Vegas in the form of  a meteorite? 
GeoZay  



From GeoZay at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 18:23:58 2009
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:23:58 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
Message-ID: <c4f.52464fdc.37ffc07e@aol.com>

>>Las Vegas is not the #1 tourist  destination in the world!!!!<<

Okay I give up...what is the #1  tourist destination in the world...surely 
not Little Rock, Arkansas? :O)  
GeoZay  



From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 18:30:20 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:30:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fresh New Lunar Meteorites Coming soon?
Message-ID: <245471.34469.qm@web46408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/93080?fp=1

Anyone planning to watch this?
What are the chances we could get new Lunar from this event?

Greg C.
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com


      


From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 18:39:54 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <c4f.52464fdc.37ffc07e@aol.com>
References: <c4f.52464fdc.37ffc07e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <112108.35538.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think  France is the number one visited country in the world but Las Vegas is the number one city with an  incredible 40-plus million visitors a year.  It is impossible to say for sure since there are so many biases and inaccurate data floating around.

Best Regards,

Adam


 



----- Original Message ----
From: "GeoZay at aol.com" <GeoZay at aol.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 3:23:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?

>>Las Vegas is not the #1 tourist  destination in the world!!!!<<

Okay I give up...what is the #1  tourist destination in the world...surely 
not Little Rock, Arkansas? :O)  
GeoZay  

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From minador at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 18:34:08 2009
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:34:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W50285F13615B994AA24981D2CC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <249346.72368.qm@web54406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I imagine you would see something similar to shows in Anaheim.  People would be drawn to the casinos (like they are drawn to Disney Land), and sales wouldn't be as good as they would be in a place where the major attraction is the show.

This problem has been building for many years.  It seems like Tucson does all it can to sabotage the show.  Raising hotel taxes, making parking difficult (and expensive), picking the slowest contractors to do the improvements, etc.  I'd hate to see the show leave, but the city council leaves much to be desired.  This places is very business hostile.  Hopefully this will encourage the city to take the show's concerns more seriously.  But you never know with this place...

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Gary Chase <garychase at live.com> wrote:

> From: Gary Chase <garychase at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
> To: "meteoritecentral" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 2:55 PM
> 
> I am guessing that if you can't afford to travel to Tucson
> then you probably don't have much money to spend at the
> show.? May as well stay home and leave the shows to the
> buyers with money to spend.
> 
> Gary
>  
>  
> > From: GeoZay at aol.com
> > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:51:18 -0400
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show
> Relocating to Vegas?
> > 
> > 
> >>>It states that the American Gem Trade
> Association is likely to accept an 
> > offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and
> Mineral show here in 
> > Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson<<
> > 
> > This is encouraging news for me personally...It would
> mean that a 
> > meteorite show will be within traveling distance for
> me to attend some day. 
> > GeoZay 
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Oct  8 19:25:59 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:25:59 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W50285F13615B994AA24981D2CC0@phx.gbl>
References: <c45.37f6009a.37ffb8d6@aol.com>
	<COL106-W50285F13615B994AA24981D2CC0@phx.gbl>
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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:55:55 -0700, you wrote:

>
>I am guessing that if you can't afford to travel to Tucson then you probably don't have much money to spend at the show.  May as well stay home and leave the shows to the buyers with money to spend.
>

Out of all the assholy things ever said on this list, this has to be one of the
most assholy of them.


From clwaldeniii at comcast.net  Thu Oct  8 18:53:28 2009
From: clwaldeniii at comcast.net (Chauncey Walden)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:53:28 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Moving To Vegas?
Message-ID: <4ACE6D68.2040007@comcast.net>

It is not the Tucson Gem/Mineral Show, it is only the AGTA. I doubt that 
anyone on this list would miss them in Tucson. They are the suited ones 
who hole up in the inner recesses of the convention center and require 
everything but your first born to get through the door to see their 
overpriced gems and jewelry. "Loosing" them would open up more space in 
the convention center for real world dealers.


From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Oct  8 20:19:23 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:19:23 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ice-teroid
In-Reply-To: <4ACE6D68.2040007@comcast.net>
References: <4ACE6D68.2040007@comcast.net>
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http://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2009/10/08/ice-confirmed-on-an-asteroid.html

Ice Confirmed On an Asteroid
Frozen water leaves its signature over the entire surface of the asteroid 24
Themis

By Ron Cowen, Science News

FAJARDO, Puerto Rico?Space rocks may be dead as doornails but some contain
ingredients that could have given life on Earth a foothold.

Planetary scientists reported October 7 that they have, for the first time,
confirmed that an asteroid contains frozen water on its surface. Evidence of
water-ice, along with organic compounds, on the surface of the asteroid 24
Themis supports the theory that asteroids brought both water and organic
compounds to the early Earth, helping lay the foundation for life on the planet.
Click here to find out more!

Humberto Campins of the University of Central Florida in Orlando and his
colleagues recorded spectra of the asteroid 24 Themis over a seven-hour period,
corresponding to 84 percent of the rotational period of the spinning rock. The
spectra, taken with NASA's Infrared Telescope Facility on Hawaii's Mauna Kea,
revealed the consistent presence of frozen water as different parts of the
asteroid's surface came into view, Campins reported at the annual meeting of the
American Astronomical Society's Division for Planetary Sciences.

The finding corroborates earlier observations (SN Online: 7/18/08

The analyses of the sunlight reflected off the asteroid also show that organic
compounds are widespread on the surface, he added, including polycyclic aromatic
hydrocarbons, CH2 and CH3.

At the asteroid's average distance from the sun ? 3.2 times Earth's distance to
the sun ? frozen water on the surface would readily vaporize, noted Campins.
That means the ice must be continually replenished, possibly by a reservoir of
frozen water within the rock, he speculates.

One possibility is that ice lies buried several meters below the surface of the
roughly 160-kilometer-wide asteroid and makes its way to the top when the
asteroid is pummeled by space debris. Norbert Sch?rghofer of the University of
Hawaii at Manoa proposed last year that ice can persist for billions of years
just below the surface of a dusty space rock if the asteroid's surface
temperature is less than about 145 kelvins. The temperature of 24 Themis lies in
that range.

The presence of frozen water on 24 Themis also suggests that some asteroids
resemble comets, becoming active suddenly and venting material into space when
pockets of ice vaporize, Campins noted.


From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Oct  8 20:21:23 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:21:23 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Pallas sight
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References: <4ACE6D68.2040007@comcast.net>
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Video and art at the link.

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/10/08/2092402.aspx

Protoplanet frozen in time
Posted: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:01 PM by Alan Boyle

Images from the Hubble Space Telescope suggest that the asteroid Pallas should
be grouped along with two other big space rocks as protoplanets - "planetary
embryos" that were big enough to stay pretty much as they were during the
formation of the solar system, but too small to progress to the next stage of
development.

"These are the first really high-resolution images of Pallas that come from
Hubble," said Britney Schmidt, a planetary scientist at the University of
California at Los Angeles and lead author of the study in Friday's issue of the
journal Science. "This was a suite of observations that haven't been made
before."

The imagery was collected in 2007 by a camera that's no longer on the Hubble,
the Wide Field and Planetary Camera 2, or WFPC2. That instrument was replaced
with a next-generation wide-field camera during May's final Hubble servicing
mission.

Getting the pictures down from WFPC2 was just the beginning of a two-year-long
process to put together a picture of Pallas, similar to the Hubble imagery
already collected for its asteroidal siblings Ceres and Vesta.

Schmidt and her colleagues painstakingly looked at the asteroid's profile from
different perspectives, then fit all those views together using a computer
modeling program called Maya. They also analyzed the slight color differences in
the pictures and matched them up with Pallas' 3-D shape.

The result? Pallas turns out to be almost but not quite round, falling just
short of a state known as hydrostatic equilibrium. Its mean radius is 170 miles
(272 kilometers), which makes it the second-largest asteroid after Ceres, which
has a 297-mile (475-kilometer) radius. But at 449 quintillion pounds (2.04 ?
1020 kilograms), it's the third most massive asteroid, ranking behind Ceres as
well as Vesta.

The asteroid has several depressions of various sizes, including what appears to
be a monster crater about 150 miles (240 kilometers) wide. Such craters were
likely caused by early impacts that knocked loose a family of asteroidal
fragments linked to Pallas, the researchers said.

The analysis also turned up bright and dark spots in ultraviolet light,
suggesting differences in composition. "What's great to see is that
heterogeneity actually exists, because it gives us some idea that there's some
processing going on," Schmidt said.

Pallas' composition suggests that it had liquid water and an active geology at
an early point in its multibillion-year history. "There aren't going to be
volcanoes on Pallas, and there aren't going to be continents, but it's heading
in a direction where it's going to be a planet," Schmidt said.

Much of that activity was frozen in place, making Pallas something of a planet
interrupted - what the researchers call "an evolved body with planetlike
properties," or a protoplanet. Scientists believe even the biggest planets in
the solar system passed through the protoplanetary stage, gravitationally
glomming onto bigger and bigger chunks of material until they got where they are
today.

Worlds such as Ceres, Pallas and Vesta were stuck in a state of arrested
development because nearby Jupiter pushed the asteroids around and grabbed a lot
of the good stuff for itself. At least that's how the favored scenario plays
out.

Ceres had grown large enough to keep a roundish shape, even after numerous
impacts, and thus is now considered a dwarf planet alongside Pluto, Eris and
potentially scores of other worlds beyond Neptune. Pallas and Vesta, however,
aren't quite in the same league. "They're not quite perfectly round, and
potentially because of impact," Schmidt said.

The bottom line is that Pallas is, well, right on the line when it comes to the
important features dividing the solar system's big planets and dwarfs (and, for
that matter, roundish natural satellites such as our moon) from irregular
objects such as small asteroids and comets. The researchers say it's closer to a
planet than to a typical asteroid, but Schmidt said the most interesting thing
about Pallas isn't its precise classification.

"What's more interesting than just the classification is to think of the
process," Schmidt said. "What's unique about this object is that it probably
stayed almost completely intact from the early days of the solar system. It
hasn't been broken up, and there are only a few of those kinds of objects left."

Protoplanets such as Pallas - and Ceres and Vesta - can thus serve as a fossil
record for an important time in our solar system's development. "They were not
only the building blocks of planets, but they're also what planets looked like
for a short period of time," Schmidt said. "They just never really got to form
into something bigger."

For comparison's sake, Eris' mean radius is an estimated 800 miles (1,300
kilometers); Pluto's is 721 miles (1,153 kilometers); and Earth's is 3,959 miles
(6,371 kilometers). All those worlds are thus more than twice as wide as Ceres,
Pallas and Vesta.


From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu Oct  8 19:24:40 2009
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:24:40 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
References: <192723.66542.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4ACE56A5.3080703@meteoritesusa.com>
	<e51421550910081426w6a3db7e6h5b33fbac3ba41478@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F55254236114655B64295330A1EE279@Gregor>

Hi MikeG,

Since you just moved to Florida and want to cruise the RV around on 
different adventures, "driving" to Tucson (or Vegas) in the RV would be 
great. You could map out different meteorite strewnfields and areas to 
hunt/collect minerals on the way there and back. Now, that would be cool! It 
could be your own "Cash & Treasures" episode (Hopefully not like "National 
Lampoon's Wally World" mis-adventure).

That, or just head NE from Tampa and come over for a visit to my place in 
Florida. I could set up some [more] tables and have a mini-Tucson Show right 
here! Hotels are cheap (guest room even cheaper!), no traffic and I am only 
2 1/2 hours from Tampa.

Meteorites, Minerals, Fossils, Artifacts... One-Stop shop, and I'll even 
throw in the FREE beer and sodas, even grill up some lunch!!! :-) Heck, 
while I am at it, I could even bust out the big guns from the safe deposit 
boxes of some of The Hupe Collection planetary main masses for Show-n-Tell.

Forget Morocco and their "meteorite"/stone traders, I have all types of 
meteorites and you know what you will get, all classified and NO Gambling or 
False-Representation!!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
To: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?


> Hi Adam, Eric and List,
>
> It's the same thing with sports facilities.  If it doesn't have enough
> luxury boxes and premium suites, then the team owners demand a new
> facility or take the team to a new city that will offer one.
>
> This is little different.  I've never been to Tucson yet and I was
> hoping to attend before it becomes the Vegas Show.  I'm sure the
> situation in Tucson is not perfect and there is room for improvement,
> given the size and scope of the show.  But, is Vegas really going to
> be better, or is it going to be better for type of exhibitor - the
> high end dealer who pays super top dollar for a booth inside the main
> show facility and who generates more sales in a weekend than a dealer
> outside in a parking lot tent might make during the entire show run.
> This caters to the type of vendor whose customers stay in the
> expensive hotel suites and not in their RV's or at the Motel 8.  I'm
> sure the organizers responsible for the move are seeing dollar signs
> on this one.  Not everyone is going to be happy because it represents
> change.  If I lived in Vegas, I'd be thrilled to have the big gem and
> mineral show closer to home.  Heck, I'd love to see the show come to
> Tampa, so I could easily attend.  If I lived in Tucson (or near
> there), then I would be upset to see the show go.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
>
> On 10/8/09, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:
>> Hi Adam, List,
>>
>> That's not good... It may be good for Las Vegas, but for show
>> vendors/exhibitors this will mean increased costs for spaces/displays.
>> Vegas ain't cheap!
>>
>> Tucson should do something to resolve this, if it truly is an issue of
>> more accommodation and better facilities for the show.
>>
>> For the show to be scattered across the city throughout hotels and large
>> lots is part of the Tucson Show experience, and makes it unique and
>> something I will never forget. I love the show the way it is, though it
>> could use a little improvement on infrastructure and logistics it's all
>> part of the Tucson Show...
>>
>> Expand, build and accommodate! The show will always continue to expand
>> so plan for it... Tucson is the heart of the mineral world for a reason,
>> why the hell move it because a show promoter is inconvenienced? Let them
>> leave if they want... This means more room for others who couldn't
>> display in previous years. I know dealers and vendors who would kill for
>> a new spot! The waiting list is long...
>>
>> It would also no longer be the "Tucson Show!" and what a travesty that
>> would be...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam Hupe wrote:
>>> Dear List Members,
>>>
>>> Wow, I could not believe what I read  the Mohave Valley Daily News and 
>>> the
>>> local papers today.
>>>
>>> It states that the American Gem Trade Association is likely to accept an
>>> offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and Mineral show here in
>>> Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson. The Chief executive, Doug 
>>> Hucker
>>> told the Tucson City council, "if we do not see progress on a hotel and
>>> upgrading of the convention center, we will leave."
>>>
>>> Vendors have been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure
>>> to support such a show in Tucson and state, it is time to move to a 
>>> venue
>>> that can adequately host such an event such as Las Vegas which is at the
>>> top of the list.  It looks like Las Vegas will bend over backwards to 
>>> get
>>> the estimated $100 million this show pumps into the local economy every
>>> year.  Las Vegas could easily accommodate this event since it is the
>>> number one tourist and convention destination in the world.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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>
>
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From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  8 19:43:29 2009
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:43:29 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dr Ted Bunche's email
Message-ID: <COL108-W23365C6111C9E316916A709BCC0@phx.gbl>


Hi,

Can anyone send me in private Dr. Ted Bunch's email address? Some questions. Thanks!

Carl
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/

From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu Oct  8 19:53:24 2009
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:53:24 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dr Ted Bunche's email
References: <COL108-W23365C6111C9E316916A709BCC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CA293E775B864ADA9F3BF135851E5B89@Gregor>

Hello Carl,

Dr. Ted Bunch's email address is tbear1 at cableone.net He is a List Member!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl 's" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dr Ted Bunche's email


>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone send me in private Dr. Ted Bunch's email address? Some 
> questions. Thanks!
>
> Carl
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
> ______________________________________________
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> 




From pgspears at cox.net  Thu Oct  8 20:10:38 2009
From: pgspears at cox.net (Paul  G. Spears)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:10:38 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stay home from show if you do not have any money?
Message-ID: <9C306B27F0124CFB8A622FAE43AE98C6@GrandpasNetbook>

Hi, Gary:
Unless your comment "I am guessing that if you can't afford to travel to 
Tucson then you probably don't have much money to spend at the show.  May as 
well stay home and leave the shows to the buyers with money to spend." was 
intended as a sarcastic jab at plutocrats or others, it shocks me to see 
such a comment.  I do not know the context of the statement, but I choose to 
believe it was justifiable sarcasm.  Among the lookers are those with 
aspirations to become collectors (nee buyers) when they know enough to do so 
wisely.  I will attend the TGMS show.  I may not buy a thing.  If I do, it 
will be from a seller who supports every level of this "industry" and is 
happy to meet all comers as friends.  Any seller who gives me attitude, 
snobbery, or arrogance will never see the color of my money.  There are too 
many good guys/gals to tolerate egotists, and I have do not include you in 
that group.  In any event, if I see you at the show, I will bring enough 
money to buy a cup of coffee for you. :-)
Regards,
Paul 



From daistiho at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  8 20:59:49 2009
From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 00:59:49 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] If Tucson should go away...
Message-ID: <SNT120-W56EE7380A2B8AEFC2A3AD0CACB0@phx.gbl>



Let me propose Maui as a site for the First Annual Meteorite Collectors and Dealers Convention, should the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show tank.  Great weather, something for everyone from beach bunnies to dedicated hikers.  Neat geology (although no discovered strewnfields).  I'm willing to host the Birthday Bash at my place, at least for the first year or two -- a real Hawaiian luau!  
 
I suggest we have it in April, after winter prices have gone down.  Sorry no RV parking :D
 
Best!
Tracy Latimer 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/

From minador at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 22:07:21 2009
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:07:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <4F55254236114655B64295330A1EE279@Gregor>
Message-ID: <491612.12634.qm@web54410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

And that's how the Hupe show got started!  The greatest little show on earth...  How far away from the treasure coast? 

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:

> From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
> To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 4:24 PM
> Hi MikeG,
> 
> Since you just moved to Florida and want to cruise the RV
> around on different adventures, "driving" to Tucson (or
> Vegas) in the RV would be great. You could map out different
> meteorite strewnfields and areas to hunt/collect minerals on
> the way there and back. Now, that would be cool! It could be
> your own "Cash & Treasures" episode (Hopefully not like
> "National Lampoon's Wally World" mis-adventure).
> 
> That, or just head NE from Tampa and come over for a visit
> to my place in Florida. I could set up some [more] tables
> and have a mini-Tucson Show right here! Hotels are cheap
> (guest room even cheaper!), no traffic and I am only 2 1/2
> hours from Tampa.
> 
> Meteorites, Minerals, Fossils, Artifacts... One-Stop shop,
> and I'll even throw in the FREE beer and sodas, even grill
> up some lunch!!! :-) Heck, while I am at it, I could even
> bust out the big guns from the safe deposit boxes of some of
> The Hupe Collection planetary main masses for Show-n-Tell.
> 
> Forget Morocco and their "meteorite"/stone traders, I have
> all types of meteorites and you know what you will get, all
> classified and NO Gambling or False-Representation!!
> 
> Best regards,
> Greg
> 
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA 3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone &
> Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> To: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show
> Relocating to Vegas?
> 
> 
> > Hi Adam, Eric and List,
> > 
> > It's the same thing with sports facilities.? If
> it doesn't have enough
> > luxury boxes and premium suites, then the team owners
> demand a new
> > facility or take the team to a new city that will
> offer one.
> > 
> > This is little different.? I've never been to
> Tucson yet and I was
> > hoping to attend before it becomes the Vegas
> Show.? I'm sure the
> > situation in Tucson is not perfect and there is room
> for improvement,
> > given the size and scope of the show.? But, is
> Vegas really going to
> > be better, or is it going to be better for type of
> exhibitor - the
> > high end dealer who pays super top dollar for a booth
> inside the main
> > show facility and who generates more sales in a
> weekend than a dealer
> > outside in a parking lot tent might make during the
> entire show run.
> > This caters to the type of vendor whose customers stay
> in the
> > expensive hotel suites and not in their RV's or at the
> Motel 8.? I'm
> > sure the organizers responsible for the move are
> seeing dollar signs
> > on this one.? Not everyone is going to be happy
> because it represents
> > change.? If I lived in Vegas, I'd be thrilled to
> have the big gem and
> > mineral show closer to home.? Heck, I'd love to
> see the show come to
> > Tampa, so I could easily attend.? If I lived in
> Tucson (or near
> > there), then I would be upset to see the show go.
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > 
> > MikeG
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/8/09, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> wrote:
> >> Hi Adam, List,
> >> 
> >> That's not good... It may be good for Las Vegas,
> but for show
> >> vendors/exhibitors this will mean increased costs
> for spaces/displays.
> >> Vegas ain't cheap!
> >> 
> >> Tucson should do something to resolve this, if it
> truly is an issue of
> >> more accommodation and better facilities for the
> show.
> >> 
> >> For the show to be scattered across the city
> throughout hotels and large
> >> lots is part of the Tucson Show experience, and
> makes it unique and
> >> something I will never forget. I love the show the
> way it is, though it
> >> could use a little improvement on infrastructure
> and logistics it's all
> >> part of the Tucson Show...
> >> 
> >> Expand, build and accommodate! The show will
> always continue to expand
> >> so plan for it... Tucson is the heart of the
> mineral world for a reason,
> >> why the hell move it because a show promoter is
> inconvenienced? Let them
> >> leave if they want... This means more room for
> others who couldn't
> >> display in previous years. I know dealers and
> vendors who would kill for
> >> a new spot! The waiting list is long...
> >> 
> >> It would also no longer be the "Tucson Show!" and
> what a travesty that
> >> would be...
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> Eric
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Adam Hupe wrote:
> >>> Dear List Members,
> >>> 
> >>> Wow, I could not believe what I read? the
> Mohave Valley Daily News and the
> >>> local papers today.
> >>> 
> >>> It states that the American Gem Trade
> Association is likely to accept an
> >>> offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire
> Gem and Mineral show here in
> >>> Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson. The
> Chief executive, Doug Hucker
> >>> told the Tucson City council, "if we do not
> see progress on a hotel and
> >>> upgrading of the convention center, we will
> leave."
> >>> 
> >>> Vendors have been complaining for years about
> the lack of infrastructure
> >>> to support such a show in Tucson and state, it
> is time to move to a venue
> >>> that can adequately host such an event such as
> Las Vegas which is at the
> >>> top of the list.? It looks like Las Vegas
> will bend over backwards to get
> >>> the estimated $100 million this show pumps
> into the local economy every
> >>> year.? Las Vegas could easily accommodate
> this event since it is the
> >>> number one tourist and convention destination
> in the world.
> >>> 
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>> 
> >>> Adam
> >>>
> ______________________________________________
> >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >>> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> ______________________________________________
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> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> .........................................................
> > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA)
> > Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
> > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
> > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone
> > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle
> >
> ..........................................................
> > ______________________________________________
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> 
> 
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu Oct  8 22:57:01 2009
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:57:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
References: <491612.12634.qm@web54410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C24B6D7FFBD643888AAC998514476FD4@Gregor>

Hi Mark and List,

Mark asked, "How far away from the treasure coast?"

This far (or close...): http://www.atochatreasures.com/GregHupe.htm This was 
my welcoming to Florida five years ago!

Enjoy!
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Bowling" <minador at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?


And that's how the Hupe show got started!  The greatest little show on 
earth...  How far away from the treasure coast?

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:

> From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
> To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 4:24 PM
> Hi MikeG,
>
> Since you just moved to Florida and want to cruise the RV
> around on different adventures, "driving" to Tucson (or
> Vegas) in the RV would be great. You could map out different
> meteorite strewnfields and areas to hunt/collect minerals on
> the way there and back. Now, that would be cool! It could be
> your own "Cash & Treasures" episode (Hopefully not like
> "National Lampoon's Wally World" mis-adventure).
>
> That, or just head NE from Tampa and come over for a visit
> to my place in Florida. I could set up some [more] tables
> and have a mini-Tucson Show right here! Hotels are cheap
> (guest room even cheaper!), no traffic and I am only 2 1/2
> hours from Tampa.
>
> Meteorites, Minerals, Fossils, Artifacts... One-Stop shop,
> and I'll even throw in the FREE beer and sodas, even grill
> up some lunch!!! :-) Heck, while I am at it, I could even
> bust out the big guns from the safe deposit boxes of some of
> The Hupe Collection planetary main masses for Show-n-Tell.
>
> Forget Morocco and their "meteorite"/stone traders, I have
> all types of meteorites and you know what you will get, all
> classified and NO Gambling or False-Representation!!
>
> Best regards,
> Greg
>
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA 3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone &
> Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> To: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show
> Relocating to Vegas?
>
>
> > Hi Adam, Eric and List,
> >
> > It's the same thing with sports facilities. If
> it doesn't have enough
> > luxury boxes and premium suites, then the team owners
> demand a new
> > facility or take the team to a new city that will
> offer one.
> >
> > This is little different. I've never been to
> Tucson yet and I was
> > hoping to attend before it becomes the Vegas
> Show. I'm sure the
> > situation in Tucson is not perfect and there is room
> for improvement,
> > given the size and scope of the show. But, is
> Vegas really going to
> > be better, or is it going to be better for type of
> exhibitor - the
> > high end dealer who pays super top dollar for a booth
> inside the main
> > show facility and who generates more sales in a
> weekend than a dealer
> > outside in a parking lot tent might make during the
> entire show run.
> > This caters to the type of vendor whose customers stay
> in the
> > expensive hotel suites and not in their RV's or at the
> Motel 8. I'm
> > sure the organizers responsible for the move are
> seeing dollar signs
> > on this one. Not everyone is going to be happy
> because it represents
> > change. If I lived in Vegas, I'd be thrilled to
> have the big gem and
> > mineral show closer to home. Heck, I'd love to
> see the show come to
> > Tampa, so I could easily attend. If I lived in
> Tucson (or near
> > there), then I would be upset to see the show go.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > MikeG
> >
> >
> > On 10/8/09, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> wrote:
> >> Hi Adam, List,
> >>
> >> That's not good... It may be good for Las Vegas,
> but for show
> >> vendors/exhibitors this will mean increased costs
> for spaces/displays.
> >> Vegas ain't cheap!
> >>
> >> Tucson should do something to resolve this, if it
> truly is an issue of
> >> more accommodation and better facilities for the
> show.
> >>
> >> For the show to be scattered across the city
> throughout hotels and large
> >> lots is part of the Tucson Show experience, and
> makes it unique and
> >> something I will never forget. I love the show the
> way it is, though it
> >> could use a little improvement on infrastructure
> and logistics it's all
> >> part of the Tucson Show...
> >>
> >> Expand, build and accommodate! The show will
> always continue to expand
> >> so plan for it... Tucson is the heart of the
> mineral world for a reason,
> >> why the hell move it because a show promoter is
> inconvenienced? Let them
> >> leave if they want... This means more room for
> others who couldn't
> >> display in previous years. I know dealers and
> vendors who would kill for
> >> a new spot! The waiting list is long...
> >>
> >> It would also no longer be the "Tucson Show!" and
> what a travesty that
> >> would be...
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Eric
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Adam Hupe wrote:
> >>> Dear List Members,
> >>>
> >>> Wow, I could not believe what I read the
> Mohave Valley Daily News and the
> >>> local papers today.
> >>>
> >>> It states that the American Gem Trade
> Association is likely to accept an
> >>> offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire
> Gem and Mineral show here in
> >>> Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson. The
> Chief executive, Doug Hucker
> >>> told the Tucson City council, "if we do not
> see progress on a hotel and
> >>> upgrading of the convention center, we will
> leave."
> >>>
> >>> Vendors have been complaining for years about
> the lack of infrastructure
> >>> to support such a show in Tucson and state, it
> is time to move to a venue
> >>> that can adequately host such an event such as
> Las Vegas which is at the
> >>> top of the list. It looks like Las Vegas
> will bend over backwards to get
> >>> the estimated $100 million this show pumps
> into the local economy every
> >>> year. Las Vegas could easily accommodate
> this event since it is the
> >>> number one tourist and convention destination
> in the world.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Adam
> >>>
> ______________________________________________
> >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >>> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> .........................................................
> > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA)
> > Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
> > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
> > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone
> > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle
> >
> ..........................................................
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
>
>
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 22:57:13 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:57:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Las Vegas
Message-ID: <459772.12326.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

>From what I could make out during my visit several years back, many meteorite dealers were paying so high rents in Tucson that it left them with little profit for their effort. 

While list members are meteorite centric, we have to keep in mind that the Gems and Minerals do vastly larger sums of money at Tucson, and would likely do more in Las Vegas, as it is nearer to Los Angeles and the West Coast. Add in easier and cheaper airline travel... 

Further, with the decline of gambling, rates in Vegas may be set most attractively for them.

Tucson may have taken it all for granted.
E.P.



      


From minador at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 23:08:53 2009
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:08:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <C24B6D7FFBD643888AAC998514476FD4@Gregor>
Message-ID: <430154.88248.qm@web54401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Just amazing Greg!  I believe I got to hold the coin in Tucson!  

Though I haven't done Munich, Ensisheim or Denver (yet), I think I'd definitely be up for the Hupe show in FL (especially being that close to the treasure coast...).  Got my beeper all warmed up and ready to fly...

Anybody getting up to watch the LCROSS impact on the moon?

Clear skies,
Mark 
Vail, AZ

P.S. don't forget to vote (for Maria)!  I just got my purple finger - no rude comments please ;-)

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:

> From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
> To: "Mark Bowling" <minador at yahoo.com>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 7:57 PM
> Hi Mark and List,
> 
> Mark asked, "How far away from the treasure coast?"
> 
> This far (or close...): http://www.atochatreasures.com/GregHupe.htm This was 
> my welcoming to Florida five years ago!
> 
> Enjoy!
> Greg
> 
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA 3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Bowling" <minador at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show
> Relocating to Vegas?
> 
> 
> And that's how the Hupe show got started!? The
> greatest little show on 
> earth...? How far away from the treasure coast?
> 
> --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show
> Relocating to Vegas?
> > To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 4:24 PM
> > Hi MikeG,
> >
> > Since you just moved to Florida and want to cruise the
> RV
> > around on different adventures, "driving" to Tucson
> (or
> > Vegas) in the RV would be great. You could map out
> different
> > meteorite strewnfields and areas to hunt/collect
> minerals on
> > the way there and back. Now, that would be cool! It
> could be
> > your own "Cash & Treasures" episode (Hopefully not
> like
> > "National Lampoon's Wally World" mis-adventure).
> >
> > That, or just head NE from Tampa and come over for a
> visit
> > to my place in Florida. I could set up some [more]
> tables
> > and have a mini-Tucson Show right here! Hotels are
> cheap
> > (guest room even cheaper!), no traffic and I am only 2
> 1/2
> > hours from Tampa.
> >
> > Meteorites, Minerals, Fossils, Artifacts... One-Stop
> shop,
> > and I'll even throw in the FREE beer and sodas, even
> grill
> > up some lunch!!! :-) Heck, while I am at it, I could
> even
> > bust out the big guns from the safe deposit boxes of
> some of
> > The Hupe Collection planetary main masses for
> Show-n-Tell.
> >
> > Forget Morocco and their "meteorite"/stone traders, I
> have
> > all types of meteorites and you know what you will
> get, all
> > classified and NO Gambling or False-Representation!!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Greg
> >
> > ====================
> > Greg Hupe
> > The Hupe Collection
> > NaturesVault (eBay)
> > gmhupe at htn.net
> > www.LunarRock.com
> > IMCA 3163
> > ====================
> > Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
> > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone
> &
> > Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> > To: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> > Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show
> > Relocating to Vegas?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Adam, Eric and List,
> > >
> > > It's the same thing with sports facilities. If
> > it doesn't have enough
> > > luxury boxes and premium suites, then the team
> owners
> > demand a new
> > > facility or take the team to a new city that
> will
> > offer one.
> > >
> > > This is little different. I've never been to
> > Tucson yet and I was
> > > hoping to attend before it becomes the Vegas
> > Show. I'm sure the
> > > situation in Tucson is not perfect and there is
> room
> > for improvement,
> > > given the size and scope of the show. But, is
> > Vegas really going to
> > > be better, or is it going to be better for type
> of
> > exhibitor - the
> > > high end dealer who pays super top dollar for a
> booth
> > inside the main
> > > show facility and who generates more sales in a
> > weekend than a dealer
> > > outside in a parking lot tent might make during
> the
> > entire show run.
> > > This caters to the type of vendor whose customers
> stay
> > in the
> > > expensive hotel suites and not in their RV's or
> at the
> > Motel 8. I'm
> > > sure the organizers responsible for the move are
> > seeing dollar signs
> > > on this one. Not everyone is going to be happy
> > because it represents
> > > change. If I lived in Vegas, I'd be thrilled to
> > have the big gem and
> > > mineral show closer to home. Heck, I'd love to
> > see the show come to
> > > Tampa, so I could easily attend. If I lived in
> > Tucson (or near
> > > there), then I would be upset to see the show
> go.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > MikeG
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/8/09, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> Hi Adam, List,
> > >>
> > >> That's not good... It may be good for Las
> Vegas,
> > but for show
> > >> vendors/exhibitors this will mean increased
> costs
> > for spaces/displays.
> > >> Vegas ain't cheap!
> > >>
> > >> Tucson should do something to resolve this,
> if it
> > truly is an issue of
> > >> more accommodation and better facilities for
> the
> > show.
> > >>
> > >> For the show to be scattered across the city
> > throughout hotels and large
> > >> lots is part of the Tucson Show experience,
> and
> > makes it unique and
> > >> something I will never forget. I love the
> show the
> > way it is, though it
> > >> could use a little improvement on
> infrastructure
> > and logistics it's all
> > >> part of the Tucson Show...
> > >>
> > >> Expand, build and accommodate! The show will
> > always continue to expand
> > >> so plan for it... Tucson is the heart of the
> > mineral world for a reason,
> > >> why the hell move it because a show promoter
> is
> > inconvenienced? Let them
> > >> leave if they want... This means more room
> for
> > others who couldn't
> > >> display in previous years. I know dealers
> and
> > vendors who would kill for
> > >> a new spot! The waiting list is long...
> > >>
> > >> It would also no longer be the "Tucson Show!"
> and
> > what a travesty that
> > >> would be...
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Eric
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Adam Hupe wrote:
> > >>> Dear List Members,
> > >>>
> > >>> Wow, I could not believe what I read the
> > Mohave Valley Daily News and the
> > >>> local papers today.
> > >>>
> > >>> It states that the American Gem Trade
> > Association is likely to accept an
> > >>> offer from Las Vegas to relocate the
> entire
> > Gem and Mineral show here in
> > >>> Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson.
> The
> > Chief executive, Doug Hucker
> > >>> told the Tucson City council, "if we do
> not
> > see progress on a hotel and
> > >>> upgrading of the convention center, we
> will
> > leave."
> > >>>
> > >>> Vendors have been complaining for years
> about
> > the lack of infrastructure
> > >>> to support such a show in Tucson and
> state, it
> > is time to move to a venue
> > >>> that can adequately host such an event
> such as
> > Las Vegas which is at the
> > >>> top of the list. It looks like Las Vegas
> > will bend over backwards to get
> > >>> the estimated $100 million this show
> pumps
> > into the local economy every
> > >>> year. Las Vegas could easily accommodate
> > this event since it is the
> > >>> number one tourist and convention
> destination
> > in the world.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Adam
> > >>>
> > ______________________________________________
> > >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list
> > >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> ______________________________________________
> > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> >
> .........................................................
> > > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA)
> > > Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
> > > FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
> > > MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> > > Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone
> > > eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle
> > >
> >
> ..........................................................
> > > ______________________________________________
> > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


From AJSnyder at cox.net  Fri Oct  9 00:22:44 2009
From: AJSnyder at cox.net (Jay & Annette)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:22:44 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <430154.88248.qm@web54401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <430154.88248.qm@web54401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <66644013-3454-4FC0-AAD5-4714C422342E@cox.net>

All, Living in Las Vegas for the past 16 years, I would welcome with  
open arms the possibility of having the show here.  There are many  
things to do on and off the strip, the local area, and close enough to  
AZ, UT, and CA for those that might want to sight-see.  Tucson might  
have the "down home feeling" and "where it all started", but we should  
all keep an open mind to the endless possibilities other venues  
offer.  Just my one cent, since the gov't has my other one...

Mark, I plan to view the LCROSS impact here in Vegas and have the  
scope warming up as I type.  One of the local guys here is going to  
broadcast his view from his Mallincam on Zaplive.tv also in Las  
Vegas.  Let's hope for a good show... Jason


On Oct 8, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Mark Bowling wrote:

> Just amazing Greg!  I believe I got to hold the coin in Tucson!
>
> Though I haven't done Munich, Ensisheim or Denver (yet), I think I'd  
> definitely be up for the Hupe show in FL (especially being that  
> close to the treasure coast...).  Got my beeper all warmed up and  
> ready to fly...
>
> Anybody getting up to watch the LCROSS impact on the moon?
>
> Clear skies,
> Mark
> Vail, AZ
>
> P.S. don't forget to vote (for Maria)!  I just got my purple finger  
> - no rude comments please ;-)
>
> --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to  
>> Vegas?
>> To: "Mark Bowling" <minador at yahoo.com>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 7:57 PM
>> Hi Mark and List,
>>
>> Mark asked, "How far away from the treasure coast?"
>>
>> This far (or close...): http://www.atochatreasures.com/GregHupe.htm  
>> This was
>> my welcoming to Florida five years ago!
>>
>> Enjoy!
>> Greg
>>
>> ====================
>> Greg Hupe
>> The Hupe Collection
>> NaturesVault (eBay)
>> gmhupe at htn.net
>> www.LunarRock.com
>> IMCA 3163
>> ====================
>> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Bowling" <minador at yahoo.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show
>> Relocating to Vegas?
>>
>>
>> And that's how the Hupe show got started!  The
>> greatest little show on
>> earth...  How far away from the treasure coast?
>>
>> --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show
>> Relocating to Vegas?
>>> To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 4:24 PM
>>> Hi MikeG,
>>>
>>> Since you just moved to Florida and want to cruise the
>> RV
>>> around on different adventures, "driving" to Tucson
>> (or
>>> Vegas) in the RV would be great. You could map out
>> different
>>> meteorite strewnfields and areas to hunt/collect
>> minerals on
>>> the way there and back. Now, that would be cool! It
>> could be
>>> your own "Cash & Treasures" episode (Hopefully not
>> like
>>> "National Lampoon's Wally World" mis-adventure).
>>>
>>> That, or just head NE from Tampa and come over for a
>> visit
>>> to my place in Florida. I could set up some [more]
>> tables
>>> and have a mini-Tucson Show right here! Hotels are
>> cheap
>>> (guest room even cheaper!), no traffic and I am only 2
>> 1/2
>>> hours from Tampa.
>>>
>>> Meteorites, Minerals, Fossils, Artifacts... One-Stop
>> shop,
>>> and I'll even throw in the FREE beer and sodas, even
>> grill
>>> up some lunch!!! :-) Heck, while I am at it, I could
>> even
>>> bust out the big guns from the safe deposit boxes of
>> some of
>>> The Hupe Collection planetary main masses for
>> Show-n-Tell.
>>>
>>> Forget Morocco and their "meteorite"/stone traders, I
>> have
>>> all types of meteorites and you know what you will
>> get, all
>>> classified and NO Gambling or False-Representation!!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> ====================
>>> Greg Hupe
>>> The Hupe Collection
>>> NaturesVault (eBay)
>>> gmhupe at htn.net
>>> www.LunarRock.com
>>> IMCA 3163
>>> ====================
>>> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
>>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Galactic Stone
>> &
>>> Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>>> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show
>>> Relocating to Vegas?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Adam, Eric and List,
>>>>
>>>> It's the same thing with sports facilities. If
>>> it doesn't have enough
>>>> luxury boxes and premium suites, then the team
>> owners
>>> demand a new
>>>> facility or take the team to a new city that
>> will
>>> offer one.
>>>>
>>>> This is little different. I've never been to
>>> Tucson yet and I was
>>>> hoping to attend before it becomes the Vegas
>>> Show. I'm sure the
>>>> situation in Tucson is not perfect and there is
>> room
>>> for improvement,
>>>> given the size and scope of the show. But, is
>>> Vegas really going to
>>>> be better, or is it going to be better for type
>> of
>>> exhibitor - the
>>>> high end dealer who pays super top dollar for a
>> booth
>>> inside the main
>>>> show facility and who generates more sales in a
>>> weekend than a dealer
>>>> outside in a parking lot tent might make during
>> the
>>> entire show run.
>>>> This caters to the type of vendor whose customers
>> stay
>>> in the
>>>> expensive hotel suites and not in their RV's or
>> at the
>>> Motel 8. I'm
>>>> sure the organizers responsible for the move are
>>> seeing dollar signs
>>>> on this one. Not everyone is going to be happy
>>> because it represents
>>>> change. If I lived in Vegas, I'd be thrilled to
>>> have the big gem and
>>>> mineral show closer to home. Heck, I'd love to
>>> see the show come to
>>>> Tampa, so I could easily attend. If I lived in
>>> Tucson (or near
>>>> there), then I would be upset to see the show
>> go.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> MikeG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/8/09, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Adam, List,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not good... It may be good for Las
>> Vegas,
>>> but for show
>>>>> vendors/exhibitors this will mean increased
>> costs
>>> for spaces/displays.
>>>>> Vegas ain't cheap!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tucson should do something to resolve this,
>> if it
>>> truly is an issue of
>>>>> more accommodation and better facilities for
>> the
>>> show.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the show to be scattered across the city
>>> throughout hotels and large
>>>>> lots is part of the Tucson Show experience,
>> and
>>> makes it unique and
>>>>> something I will never forget. I love the
>> show the
>>> way it is, though it
>>>>> could use a little improvement on
>> infrastructure
>>> and logistics it's all
>>>>> part of the Tucson Show...
>>>>>
>>>>> Expand, build and accommodate! The show will
>>> always continue to expand
>>>>> so plan for it... Tucson is the heart of the
>>> mineral world for a reason,
>>>>> why the hell move it because a show promoter
>> is
>>> inconvenienced? Let them
>>>>> leave if they want... This means more room
>> for
>>> others who couldn't
>>>>> display in previous years. I know dealers
>> and
>>> vendors who would kill for
>>>>> a new spot! The waiting list is long...
>>>>>
>>>>> It would also no longer be the "Tucson Show!"
>> and
>>> what a travesty that
>>>>> would be...
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam Hupe wrote:
>>>>>> Dear List Members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, I could not believe what I read the
>>> Mohave Valley Daily News and the
>>>>>> local papers today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It states that the American Gem Trade
>>> Association is likely to accept an
>>>>>> offer from Las Vegas to relocate the
>> entire
>>> Gem and Mineral show here in
>>>>>> Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson.
>> The
>>> Chief executive, Doug Hucker
>>>>>> told the Tucson City council, "if we do
>> not
>>> see progress on a hotel and
>>>>>> upgrading of the convention center, we
>> will
>>> leave."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vendors have been complaining for years
>> about
>>> the lack of infrastructure
>>>>>> to support such a show in Tucson and
>> state, it
>>> is time to move to a venue
>>>>>> that can adequately host such an event
>> such as
>>> Las Vegas which is at the
>>>>>> top of the list. It looks like Las Vegas
>>> will bend over backwards to get
>>>>>> the estimated $100 million this show
>> pumps
>>> into the local economy every
>>>>>> year. Las Vegas could easily accommodate
>>> this event since it is the
>>>>>> number one tourist and convention
>> destination
>>> in the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>> .........................................................
>>>> Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA)
>>>> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>>>> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
>>>> FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
>>>> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
>>>> Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone
>>>> eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle
>>>>
>>>
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From debfred at att.net  Fri Oct  9 00:18:33 2009
From: debfred at att.net (debfred at att.net)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:18:33 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2009 Witnessed Falls
In-Reply-To: <26951214.1255033890610.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <100920090418.18471.4ACEB999000753020000482722193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF0B0A9D000D0A0B@att.net>

  Mike Jensen @ jensen meteorites keeps an up to date list on his website
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: RJP <yellowengine at earthlink.net>
>
Does anyone know where I can find a complete, up to date list of all the 
witnessed (recovered) falls in 2009 thus far? I believe Roman Jirasek has one 
> set up, but I can't locate it. (??) 
> 
> Ryan
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From astroroks at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  9 01:04:48 2009
From: astroroks at hotmail.com (Dennis Miller)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 00:04:48 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show
Message-ID: <COL113-W4633A4B0D42EED426A2B1FB1CB0@phx.gbl>


Just read that Tucson has raised their Room surcharge,
bed tax and sales tax.  $2.00 surcharge, 6% bed tax and
8.1% sales tax... that makes them # 1 in the West for
Hotel and Motel stays! Tax wise anyway.  In any case, I'll
be there. You just don't want to miss the stories, b-day
party and the auction... Great fun where-ever!
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From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  9 01:57:04 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:57:04 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] If Tucson should go away...
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W56EE7380A2B8AEFC2A3AD0CACB0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W56EE7380A2B8AEFC2A3AD0CACB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W145F175CB0C64A900E0D4D6CB0@phx.gbl>


Have there been any meteorite shows in Canada? 

-----------
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> From: daistiho at hotmail.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 00:59:49 +0000
> Subject: [meteorite-list] If Tucson should go away...
>
>
>
> Let me propose Maui as a site for the First Annual Meteorite Collectors and Dealers Convention, should the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show tank. Great weather, something for everyone from beach bunnies to dedicated hikers. Neat geology (although no discovered strewnfields). I'm willing to host the Birthday Bash at my place, at least for the first year or two -- a real Hawaiian luau!
>
> I suggest we have it in April, after winter prices have gone down. Sorry no RV parking :D
>
> Best!
> Tracy Latimer
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From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  9 03:19:59 2009
From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:19:59 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show,
	featured on "The Desert Speaks" a repeat tonight from 2006,
	on one of my local PBS stations with Bob Haag
Message-ID: <681DB988AB224D0994645E71E74554EC@user6e6e286533>

I Just watched the Desert Speaks on PBS, it was a show from 2006, with the 
host David Yetman and they were in Tucson. They did different sections of 
the 30 minute show. They showed meteorites and were at the home of  Bob 
Haag, and David said he was the most well known person in the meteorite 
collecting world, "The King of Meteorites" I do believe they called him. He 
was showing the host how to use his metal detector to hunt for meteorites 
and the different kinds of meteorites, some from Argentina, Kansas, Russia 
and other countries around the world. He showed the beautiful peridot in 
pallasite meteorites and showed how to cut and polish a meteorite. Then they 
were walking around the Tucson show looking at fossils and then went to 
Wyoming to hunt for fossils and then showed petrified wood and then cut away 
to travel near the Petrified Forest and the land of the owners of a large 
petrified wood shop where they were using a back hoe to dig out petrified 
wood and polish it and make it into bookends and table tops. It was a great 
show.

Bob Haag ended the show with the host David as they were walking with the 
metal detector as the credits rolled. Look for this 2006 show on your local 
PBS stations. It was a fitting show to be on tonight with all of the talk 
about the Tucson Show. One thing we have to remember about meteorites is 
that any irons would surely start to rust if not treated in a humid climate 
or near the ocean. Tucson and anyplace in the desert that is dry is the 
perfect place for meteorites. They could easily move the fossils, petrified 
wood, minerals and gems to about any location anywhere in the world, but we 
also have to remember that flying to Hawaii or anyplace that you can't load 
up your RV, truck, camper or car is going to be very, very expensive since 
you can't bring large stones as carry on luggage, since they think they may 
be used as weapons and shipping costs could get expensive from some of the 
areas that are being mentioned. 



From meteorites at online.nl  Fri Oct  9 05:01:53 2009
From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:01:53 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Odessa complete individual 9,8 KG.
Message-ID: <750C83425A85476DAB39577736510B8D@laptop>

Listoids,

Need to raise some quick cash.
Odessa 9,8 kg complete individual.

Offers off list please.
Pictures on request.

Best,
Jan
IMCA 9833


From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  9 07:57:11 2009
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:57:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lcross Event
Message-ID: <30620799.1255089431986.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hello List,

Did anyone in North America watch the Lcross Impact at 4:31 PDT? I did with NASA TV and a 100 power scope. Nada...zilch...I saw nothing. I thought we were going to be able to see the ejecta cloud. I didn't see anything on NASA's Flash or IR cameras either. Wha hoppen?

Count Deiro


From mlblood at cox.net  Fri Oct  9 08:05:22 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:05:22 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
In-Reply-To: <4ACE56A5.3080703@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <C6F47512.801F%mlblood@cox.net>

I could be wrong,
        But I believe this one promoter leaving would not
Spell the end of the Tucson Show at all( AND he would
Likely end up returning.
        I believe this part of the show deals in fine gems,
Not minerals, fossils and certainly not meteorites. I don't
Believe ANY of the fossil, mineral or meteorite dealers
Would "follow" him - of course, if Marty Zinn is behind
This it could possibly involve many financial and business
Pressures on these dealers.....
        Regardless, I would not count on this spelling the end of the
Tucson Show and his threat may be just that - a threat.
Certainly Tucson needs to get their stinking act together!
I can't remember when all the exits were operating. That
Crap has gone on for years and is a giant pain in the ass!
In San Diego or LA such improvements would be completed
In a few weeks with ALL the construction taking place in the
Middle of the night under halogen lighting and allowing free
Traffic in the day. In Tucson, it is done in the day and, like
Penelope's weaving seams to be undone at night, as it staggers
The imagination that the freeway and exit work could take
YEARS! 


On 10/8/09 2:16 PM, "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:

> Hi Adam, List,
> 
> That's not good... It may be good for Las Vegas, but for show
> vendors/exhibitors this will mean increased costs for spaces/displays.
> Vegas ain't cheap!
> 
> Tucson should do something to resolve this, if it truly is an issue of
> more accommodation and better facilities for the show.
> 
> For the show to be scattered across the city throughout hotels and large
> lots is part of the Tucson Show experience, and makes it unique and
> something I will never forget. I love the show the way it is, though it
> could use a little improvement on infrastructure and logistics it's all
> part of the Tucson Show...
> 
> Expand, build and accommodate! The show will always continue to expand
> so plan for it... Tucson is the heart of the mineral world for a reason,
> why the hell move it because a show promoter is inconvenienced? Let them
> leave if they want... This means more room for others who couldn't
> display in previous years. I know dealers and vendors who would kill for
> a new spot! The waiting list is long...
> 
> It would also no longer be the "Tucson Show!" and what a travesty that
> would be...
> 
> Regards,
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Adam Hupe wrote:
>> Dear List Members,
>> 
>> Wow, I could not believe what I read  the Mohave Valley Daily News and the
>> local papers today.
>> 
>> It states that the American Gem Trade Association is likely to accept an
>> offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and Mineral show here in
>> Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson. The Chief executive, Doug Hucker
>> told the Tucson City council, "if we do not see progress on a hotel and
>> upgrading of the convention center, we will leave."
>> 
>> Vendors have been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure to
>> support such a show in Tucson and state, it is time to move to a venue that
>> can adequately host such an event such as Las Vegas which is at the top of
>> the list.  It looks like Las Vegas will bend over backwards to get the
>> estimated $100 million this show pumps into the local economy every year.
>> Las Vegas could easily accommodate this event since it is the number one
>> tourist and convention destination in the world.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Adam
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From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  9 08:22:06 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:22:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lcross Event
Message-ID: <193650.77448.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Count,

? It is raining where I live ( Little Rock, AR,? the "#1 tourist destination in the world", GeoZay? ;-)? But I don't have a 10 inch telescope anyway so I, too, was limited to watching the live TV telecast. I have to admit that at least for now, I'm a bit disappointed in "the show". The commentators mentioned another satellite in orbit of the Moon might have captured the impact and would be downloading that info in about 2 hours?(if I understood that correctly). Hopefully there will be better images from it. Of course, the science info was the main objective, as we all know, yada, yada. But I sure was looking forward to a " big ol' BLAST!" What I saw surely wasn't what I was expecting to see. ( WHAT did I see????) 

? Best wishes,
? Robert Woolard







      


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  9 08:35:54 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:35:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] freebies and more (AD)
Message-ID: <909041.13791.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi again list.With all this tucson talk,it sure gets the butterfly's going to get the show on the road.Well on this 9th of october,I have 4 small unclassified freebies to givaway.They are small stoney meteorites.They weigh 11.5,21.5,5.5,and 3.5 grams.The small one has a small hint of orientation to it as well.I also have a copy of the glenn hss AML meteorite collection book forsale.It is in pristine condition.$75 takes it hoe with free shipping.Act fast for the freebies.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 


From astroroks at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  9 11:06:27 2009
From: astroroks at hotmail.com (Dennis Miller)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:06:27 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW:  Lcross Event
In-Reply-To: <30620799.1255089431986.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <30620799.1255089431986.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <COL113-W21ED11725476AC6AC4DF71B1CB0@phx.gbl>



 



From: astroroks at hotmail.com
To: countdeiro at earthlink.net; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Lcross Event
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:53:43 -0500



I'm glad to see that I wasn't the only one trying to train their telescope straight up.
I used two scopes, one high powered and one 10" schmidt and didn't see anything.
Even had the laptop going on NASA tv.  The hosts didn't sound too excited either.
I was hoping to be able to track some ejecta all the way to New Mexico! Yea, Right!
Dennis
 
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:57:11 -0400
> From: countdeiro at earthlink.net
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lcross Event
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> Did anyone in North America watch the Lcross Impact at 4:31 PDT? I did with NASA TV and a 100 power scope. Nada...zilch...I saw nothing. I thought we were going to be able to see the ejecta cloud. I didn't see anything on NASA's Flash or IR cameras either. Wha hoppen?
> 
> Count Deiro
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From larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net  Fri Oct  9 11:35:14 2009
From: larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net (Larry & Twink Monrad)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:35:14 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson I-10 freeway completed for Tucson Gem Show
References: <C6F47512.801F%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <E9175E703F66411F9BE0203691CAE89A@DFZN8X81>

Hi Michael and list,

I did write to the list a few months ago or so that the exits are all open 
now and it is wonderful now as far as our I-10  freeway goes  so that is 
good.  It is still being widened at some spots between here and Phoenix but 
that should be finished soon.

Twink Monrad 



From damoclid at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  9 11:55:17 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:55:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] "The Tucson Show" isn't going anywhere
In-Reply-To: <C6F47512.801F%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <890467.85826.qm@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As Michael discusses, the American Gem Trade Association (AGTA) is but one of the 42 or more shows that takes place during the wonderful two week period that is known as "The Show"

They represent about 200 dealers that attended during a 5 day period in the middle of "The Show".

Apparently they aren't as unhappy with the facilities and hotels as is claimed, but it is sounding to me that they are unhappy with all the other competition. Why would buyers spend retail prices when there are literally hundreds of other dealers selling the same items for under wholesale nearby? Being by themselves in Vegas, they can have the place to themselves and charge what they like.

Surely we in Tucson don't want to lose any business, but overall I doubt that they would be much missed. As has been pointed out, their moving to Vegas would free up badly needed room for other dealers.

I think over the long term it may actually prove to be more expensive for the AGTA members as it'll be realized that the "Vegas show" isn't the place to be instead of Tucson, but yet another show they need to attend in addition to Tucson... And by then they'll have to find a new location to operate as the old space will probably be taken up by a new show.

The mineral, fossil, beads, African art, etc, etc dealers...

Oh yeah, and meteorite dealers too, don't sound like they have any plans to go anywhere else instead.

Finally to answer Michael's comments about the road construction. I-10 is now finished several months ahead of schedule. It wasn't just exit upgrades, but the addition of an additional travel lane in each direction.
I highly doubt they add miles of new lanes, including brand new bridges, in LA in a few months, but I agree that two years is too long.

I traveled on it cross-town a few weeks ago and was pleasantly surprised how nice the resulting work has been. I was even happier to see that the speed limit through the entire section that was upgraded was increased to 65mph from 55mph.


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081



--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:

> From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
> To: "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>, "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>, "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 5:05 AM
> I could be wrong,
> ? ? ? ? But I believe this one promoter
> leaving would not
> Spell the end of the Tucson Show at all( AND he would
> Likely end up returning.
> ? ? ? ? I believe this part of the show
> deals in fine gems,
> Not minerals, fossils and certainly not meteorites. I
> don't
> Believe ANY of the fossil, mineral or meteorite dealers
> Would "follow" him - of course, if Marty Zinn is behind
> This it could possibly involve many financial and business
> Pressures on these dealers.....
> ? ? ? ? Regardless, I would not count
> on this spelling the end of the
> Tucson Show and his threat may be just that - a threat.
> Certainly Tucson needs to get their stinking act together!
> I can't remember when all the exits were operating. That
> Crap has gone on for years and is a giant pain in the ass!
> In San Diego or LA such improvements would be completed
> In a few weeks with ALL the construction taking place in
> the
> Middle of the night under halogen lighting and allowing
> free
> Traffic in the day. In Tucson, it is done in the day and,
> like
> Penelope's weaving seams to be undone at night, as it
> staggers
> The imagination that the freeway and exit work could take
> YEARS! 
> 
> 
> On 10/8/09 2:16 PM, "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Adam, List,
> > 
> > That's not good... It may be good for Las Vegas, but
> for show
> > vendors/exhibitors this will mean increased costs for
> spaces/displays.
> > Vegas ain't cheap!
> > 
> > Tucson should do something to resolve this, if it
> truly is an issue of
> > more accommodation and better facilities for the
> show.
> > 
> > For the show to be scattered across the city
> throughout hotels and large
> > lots is part of the Tucson Show experience, and makes
> it unique and
> > something I will never forget. I love the show the way
> it is, though it
> > could use a little improvement on infrastructure and
> logistics it's all
> > part of the Tucson Show...
> > 
> > Expand, build and accommodate! The show will always
> continue to expand
> > so plan for it... Tucson is the heart of the mineral
> world for a reason,
> > why the hell move it because a show promoter is
> inconvenienced? Let them
> > leave if they want... This means more room for others
> who couldn't
> > display in previous years. I know dealers and vendors
> who would kill for
> > a new spot! The waiting list is long...
> > 
> > It would also no longer be the "Tucson Show!" and what
> a travesty that
> > would be...
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Eric
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Adam Hupe wrote:
> >> Dear List Members,
> >> 
> >> Wow, I could not believe what I read? the
> Mohave Valley Daily News and the
> >> local papers today.
> >> 
> >> It states that the American Gem Trade Association
> is likely to accept an
> >> offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem
> and Mineral show here in
> >> Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson. The Chief
> executive, Doug Hucker
> >> told the Tucson City council, "if we do not see
> progress on a hotel and
> >> upgrading of the convention center, we will
> leave."
> >> 
> >> Vendors have been complaining for years about the
> lack of infrastructure to
> >> support such a show in Tucson and state, it is
> time to move to a venue that
> >> can adequately host such an event such as Las
> Vegas which is at the top of
> >> the list.? It looks like Las Vegas will bend
> over backwards to get the
> >> estimated $100 million this show pumps into the
> local economy every year.
> >> Las Vegas could easily accommodate this event
> since it is the number one
> >> tourist and convention destination in the world.
> >> 
> >> Best Regards,
> >> 
> >> Adam
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> 
> >>???
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> 
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct  9 12:16:56 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:16:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] LCROSS Impacts Lunar Crater in Search for Water Ice
Message-ID: <200910091616.n99GGuMC016410@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Oct. 9, 2009

Grey Hautaluoma/Ashley Edwards 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-0668/1756 
grey.hautaluoma-1 at nasa.gov 
ashley.edwards-1 at nasa.gov 

Jonas Dino 
Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif. 
650-604-5612 
jonas.dino at nasa.gov 

RELEASE: 09-236

NASA SPACECRAFT IMPACTS LUNAR CRATER IN SEARCH FOR WATER ICE

MOFFETT FIELD, Calif. -- NASA's Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing 
Satellite, or LCROSS, created twin impacts on the moon's surface 
early Friday in a search for water ice. Scientists will analyze data 
from the spacecraft's instruments to assess whether water ice is 
present. 

The satellite traveled 5.6 million miles during an historic 113-day 
mission that ended in the Cabeus crater, a permanently shadowed 
region near the moon's south pole. The spacecraft was launched June 
18 as a companion mission to the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter from 
NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. 

"The LCROSS science instruments worked exceedingly well and returned a 
wealth of data that will greatly improve our understanding of our 
closest celestial neighbor," said Anthony Colaprete, LCROSS principal 
investigator and project scientist at NASA's Ames Research Center in 
Moffett Field, Calif. "The team is excited to dive into data." 

In preparation for impact, LCROSS and its spent Centaur upper stage 
rocket separated about 54,000 miles above the surface of the moon on 
Thursday at approximately 6:50 p.m. PDT. 

Moving at a speed of more than 1.5 miles per second, the Centaur hit 
the lunar surface shortly after 4:31 a.m. Oct. 9, creating an impact 
that instruments aboard LCROSS observed for approximately four 
minutes. LCROSS then impacted the surface at approximately 4:36 a.m. 

"This is a great day for science and exploration," said Doug Cooke, 
associate administrator for the Exploration Systems Mission 
Directorate at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "The LCROSS data 
should prove to be an impressive addition to the tremendous leaps in 
knowledge about the moon that have been achieved in recent weeks. I 
want to congratulate the LCROSS team for their tremendous achievement 
in development of this low cost spacecraft and for their perseverance 
through a number of difficult technical and operational challenges."??? 


Other observatories reported capturing both impacts. The data will be 
shared with the LCROSS science team for analysis. The LCROSS team 
expects it to take several weeks of analysis before it can make a 
definitive assessment of the presence or absence of water ice. 

"I am very proud of the success of this LCROSS mission team," said 
Daniel Andrews, LCROSS project manager at Ames. "Whenever this team 
would hit a roadblock, it conceived a clever work-around allowing us 
to push forward with a successful mission." 

The images and video collected by the amateur astronomer community and 
the public also will be used to enhance our knowledge about the moon. 


"One of the early goals of the mission was to get as many people to 
look at the LCROSS impacts in as many ways possible, and we 
succeeded," said Jennifer Heldmann, Ames' coordinator of the LCROSS 
observation campaign. "The amount of corroborated information that 
can be pulled out of this one event is fascinating." 

"It has been an incredible journey since LCROSS was selected in April 
2006," said Andrews. "The LCROSS Project faced a very ambitious 
schedule and an uncommonly small budget for a mission of this size. 
LCROSS could be a model for how small robotic missions are executed. 
This is truly big science on a small budget." 

For more information about the LCROSS mission, including images and 
video, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/lcross 
	
-end-



From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  9 12:24:04 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:24:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] "The Tucson Show" isn't going anywhere
In-Reply-To: <890467.85826.qm@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <890467.85826.qm@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <803283.36161.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Richard and List,

I hope you are right about the Tucson show staying but in this economy anything can happen. By the way, the AGTA who is more than likely leaving brings in 2,000 dealers not 200.  Like any mall that loses their anchor stores, it is just a matter of time before others follow.  It is not just this group who has been complaining for years about the lack of infrastructure in Tucson.  I hope this serves as a wake up call and Tucson makes the show more tourist and dealer friendly.  It would be nice if new hotels replaced the flee-bag places and the gouging stopped.  I am pleased to hear that the freeway is finally approaching completion.

I do know that Nevada is campaigning hard to bring business to the state spending millions on TV commercials in other states.  They are advertising the business friendly environment and favorable tax laws.  A $100 million annual influx would be very attractive and I know how aggressive Las Vegas is when they want something. This would not be the first time a major event has been moved to Vegas. Just look at NASCAR and Shelby for example.  Not one, but two major races a year!  Most cities couldn't handle just one.

Let's hope that the Tucson ctiy council learns a lesson from all of this and stops taking the show and attendees for granted.

Best Regards,

Adam




----- Original Message ----
From: Richard Kowalski <damoclid at yahoo.com>
To: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritesusa.com>; Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 8:55:17 AM
Subject: "The Tucson Show" isn't going anywhere

As Michael discusses, the American Gem Trade Association (AGTA) is but one of the 42 or more shows that takes place during the wonderful two week period that is known as "The Show"

They represent about 200 dealers that attended during a 5 day period in the middle of "The Show".

Apparently they aren't as unhappy with the facilities and hotels as is claimed, but it is sounding to me that they are unhappy with all the other competition. Why would buyers spend retail prices when there are literally hundreds of other dealers selling the same items for under wholesale nearby? Being by themselves in Vegas, they can have the place to themselves and charge what they like.

Surely we in Tucson don't want to lose any business, but overall I doubt that they would be much missed. As has been pointed out, their moving to Vegas would free up badly needed room for other dealers.

I think over the long term it may actually prove to be more expensive for the AGTA members as it'll be realized that the "Vegas show" isn't the place to be instead of Tucson, but yet another show they need to attend in addition to Tucson... And by then they'll have to find a new location to operate as the old space will probably be taken up by a new show.

The mineral, fossil, beads, African art, etc, etc dealers...

Oh yeah, and meteorite dealers too, don't sound like they have any plans to go anywhere else instead.

Finally to answer Michael's comments about the road construction. I-10 is now finished several months ahead of schedule. It wasn't just exit upgrades, but the addition of an additional travel lane in each direction.
I highly doubt they add miles of new lanes, including brand new bridges, in LA in a few months, but I agree that two years is too long.

I traveled on it cross-town a few weeks ago and was pleasantly surprised how nice the resulting work has been. I was even happier to see that the speed limit through the entire section that was upgraded was increased to 65mph from 55mph.


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081



--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:

> From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
> To: "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>, "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>, "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 5:05 AM
> I could be wrong,
>         But I believe this one promoter
> leaving would not
> Spell the end of the Tucson Show at all( AND he would
> Likely end up returning.
>         I believe this part of the show
> deals in fine gems,
> Not minerals, fossils and certainly not meteorites. I
> don't
> Believe ANY of the fossil, mineral or meteorite dealers
> Would "follow" him - of course, if Marty Zinn is behind
> This it could possibly involve many financial and business
> Pressures on these dealers.....
>         Regardless, I would not count
> on this spelling the end of the
> Tucson Show and his threat may be just that - a threat.
> Certainly Tucson needs to get their stinking act together!
> I can't remember when all the exits were operating. That
> Crap has gone on for years and is a giant pain in the ass!
> In San Diego or LA such improvements would be completed
> In a few weeks with ALL the construction taking place in
> the
> Middle of the night under halogen lighting and allowing
> free
> Traffic in the day. In Tucson, it is done in the day and,
> like
> Penelope's weaving seams to be undone at night, as it
> staggers
> The imagination that the freeway and exit work could take
> YEARS! 
> 
> 
> On 10/8/09 2:16 PM, "Eric Wichman" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Adam, List,
> > 
> > That's not good... It may be good for Las Vegas, but
> for show
> > vendors/exhibitors this will mean increased costs for
> spaces/displays.
> > Vegas ain't cheap!
> > 
> > Tucson should do something to resolve this, if it
> truly is an issue of
> > more accommodation and better facilities for the
> show.
> > 
> > For the show to be scattered across the city
> throughout hotels and large
> > lots is part of the Tucson Show experience, and makes
> it unique and
> > something I will never forget. I love the show the way
> it is, though it
> > could use a little improvement on infrastructure and
> logistics it's all
> > part of the Tucson Show...
> > 
> > Expand, build and accommodate! The show will always
> continue to expand
> > so plan for it... Tucson is the heart of the mineral
> world for a reason,
> > why the hell move it because a show promoter is
> inconvenienced? Let them
> > leave if they want... This means more room for others
> who couldn't
> > display in previous years. I know dealers and vendors
> who would kill for
> > a new spot! The waiting list is long...
> > 
> > It would also no longer be the "Tucson Show!" and what
> a travesty that
> > would be...
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Eric
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Adam Hupe wrote:
> >> Dear List Members,
> >> 
> >> Wow, I could not believe what I read  the
> Mohave Valley Daily News and the
> >> local papers today.
> >> 
> >> It states that the American Gem Trade Association
> is likely to accept an
> >> offer from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem
> and Mineral show here in
> >> Nevada after a run since 1955 in Tucson. The Chief
> executive, Doug Hucker
> >> told the Tucson City council, "if we do not see
> progress on a hotel and
> >> upgrading of the convention center, we will
> leave."
> >> 
> >> Vendors have been complaining for years about the
> lack of infrastructure to
> >> support such a show in Tucson and state, it is
> time to move to a venue that
> >> can adequately host such an event such as Las
> Vegas which is at the top of
> >> the list.  It looks like Las Vegas will bend
> over backwards to get the
> >> estimated $100 million this show pumps into the
> local economy every year.
> >> Las Vegas could easily accommodate this event
> since it is the number one
> >> tourist and convention destination in the world.
> >> 
> >> Best Regards,
> >> 
> >> Adam
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> 
> >>   
> > 
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct  9 12:45:03 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:45:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Peekskill Meteorite Dents a 1980 Chevy Malibu in
	1992
Message-ID: <200910091645.n99Gj32c021908@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091009/NEWSBLOG/910099937/-1/XML15

The Peekskill Meteorite dents a 1980 Chevy Malibu in 1992
Nashua Telegraph
October 9, 2009

We wonder if the company that insured the red 1980 Chevy Malibu coupe of
Michelle Knapp of Peekskill, N.Y., offered any kind of a "falling
celestial objects" clause. It would've been worth the expense on this
day in 1992, when Knapp's car was struck by the Peekskill Meteorite.

The Peekskill Meteorite was unique in that it was witnessed by thousands
of people, many of whom took pictures or captured the event on video.
There are no less than 16 different videos of the meteorite's descent.

The meteorite was first spotted over Kentucky and traveled over 700 km
(which took a mere 40 seconds) before landing. It flew apart into more
than 70 pieces, resulting in a sonic boom.

It was one of these pieces (weighing in at just over 27 pounds) that
collided with the left rear corner of Knapp's car, which was parked in
her driveway. The meteorite chunk took out the left corner of the trunk
and then some.

Police initially construed the incident as criminal mischief. Further
investigation of the scene by the fire department, who had been called
when it was discovered that the car's gas tank had been punctured,
turned up the meteorite chunk that had caused the damage.

Knapp's insurance company, it turned out, needn't have worried about how
to file a claim for such an incident. Knapp never had the car repaired,
opting instead to give it to R.A. Langheinrich Meteorites
<http://www.nyrockman.com/peekskill.htm>, which has exhibited it around
the world and continues to make the car available for display in museums
and similar institutions.



From damoclid at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  9 13:04:19 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:04:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] "The Tucson Show" isn't going anywhere
In-Reply-To: <803283.36161.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <608444.88015.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Adam,

I hope so too.

According to the AGTA website, they represent about 1000 dealers, of which about 200 attend the Tucson show...

Agreed that Vegas has many positives, and they too are very much in trouble by the current economy. That's no secret as it has made the national news a number of times...

As for Tucson losing a great thing, anything is possible. Current discussions here is Prop 200 where the city will have to add a lot more Police and Firefighters. If this passes, over 5 years the cost will be almost double the annual budget of the zoo and all of the parks and recreation, so how would we pay for that? Close every park & the zoo and what else?

I can sympathize with the high costs of attending any show that you and all the other dealers have. I can't speak to that since I'm not a dealer. I would suggest that with AGTA threatening to leave, now is clearly a good time for you and all of the other dealers who come to Tucson to let the city council know that you aren't the cash cow they want you to be.

>From years of watching sports teams demanding new stadiums for "or we'll leave", they usually have already decided to go no matter what.

I suspect AGTA has already decided to go to Vegas in 2011 or 2012 too.

Hopefully this will be a wake up call to the City Council to get off their fat a**es and do something productive for the city. More rumbling from other dealers may scare them into action.

I'll end by saying "the Tucson show" isn't going anywhere...


This year...


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081



      


From stm at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct  9 13:31:17 2009
From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:31:17 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW:  Lcross Event
In-Reply-To: <COL113-W21ED11725476AC6AC4DF71B1CB0@phx.gbl>
References: <30620799.1255089431986.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<COL113-W21ED11725476AC6AC4DF71B1CB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <07C8A19BDD0F4299B98AA80E6224F099@Platinum2>

The live coverage was lacking, but if you kept watching NASA TV after the 
even was over, they replayed the video (regular and thermal) and you could 
see a tiny white (or red on thermal) dot in the upper right portion of the 
crater.  Lasts for a fraction of a second... I'm sure we will see some 
higher-res images in the next few weeks.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Miller" <astroroks at hotmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:06 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Lcross Event


>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: astroroks at hotmail.com
> To: countdeiro at earthlink.net; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Lcross Event
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:53:43 -0500
>
>
>
> I'm glad to see that I wasn't the only one trying to train their telescope 
> straight up.
> I used two scopes, one high powered and one 10" schmidt and didn't see 
> anything.
> Even had the laptop going on NASA tv.  The hosts didn't sound too excited 
> either.
> I was hoping to be able to track some ejecta all the way to New Mexico! 
> Yea, Right!
> Dennis
>
>> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:57:11 -0400
>> From: countdeiro at earthlink.net
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lcross Event
>>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> Did anyone in North America watch the Lcross Impact at 4:31 PDT? I did 
>> with NASA TV and a 100 power scope. Nada...zilch...I saw nothing. I 
>> thought we were going to be able to see the ejecta cloud. I didn't see 
>> anything on NASA's Flash or IR cameras either. Wha hoppen?
>>
>> Count Deiro
>> ______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
>
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From stm at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct  9 13:36:23 2009
From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:36:23 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW:  Lcross Event
In-Reply-To: <07C8A19BDD0F4299B98AA80E6224F099@Platinum2>
References: <30620799.1255089431986.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net><COL113-W21ED11725476AC6AC4DF71B1CB0@phx.gbl>
	<07C8A19BDD0F4299B98AA80E6224F099@Platinum2>
Message-ID: <4FE3DBD974AF4CE79DEB87075A088F34@Platinum2>

Correction - upper left... lefty-loosey, righty-tighty - I always mess that 
up...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean T. Murray" <stm at bellsouth.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Lcross Event


> The live coverage was lacking, but if you kept watching NASA TV after the 
> even was over, they replayed the video (regular and thermal) and you could 
> see a tiny white (or red on thermal) dot in the upper right portion of the 
> crater.  Lasts for a fraction of a second... I'm sure we will see some 
> higher-res images in the next few weeks.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dennis Miller" <astroroks at hotmail.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:06 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Lcross Event
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: astroroks at hotmail.com
>> To: countdeiro at earthlink.net; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Lcross Event
>> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:53:43 -0500
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm glad to see that I wasn't the only one trying to train their 
>> telescope straight up.
>> I used two scopes, one high powered and one 10" schmidt and didn't see 
>> anything.
>> Even had the laptop going on NASA tv.  The hosts didn't sound too excited 
>> either.
>> I was hoping to be able to track some ejecta all the way to New Mexico! 
>> Yea, Right!
>> Dennis
>>
>>> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:57:11 -0400
>>> From: countdeiro at earthlink.net
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lcross Event
>>>
>>> Hello List,
>>>
>>> Did anyone in North America watch the Lcross Impact at 4:31 PDT? I did 
>>> with NASA TV and a 100 power scope. Nada...zilch...I saw nothing. I 
>>> thought we were going to be able to see the ejecta cloud. I didn't see 
>>> anything on NASA's Flash or IR cameras either. Wha hoppen?
>>>
>>> Count Deiro
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From marie.m.osterberg at telia.com  Fri Oct  9 12:27:46 2009
From: marie.m.osterberg at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_=D6sterberg?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:27:46 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Searched for meteorites - found gold?
Message-ID: <E9672041BF7D40F0A8A3E092AC82074F@thomaslemjmqar>

Hello List,

A friend of mine, living here in Sweden, told me that he had heard from an 
Egyptian friend, that some professional meteorite hunters, had found plenty 
of gold in Sudan. According to this source, the gold (and meteorites?) were 
found in the eastern part of Sudan, quite recently.

I was also told that a team of 3 persons had found plenty of large gold 
nuggets, in total 5 kg, in only 3 days!!

Can anyone confirm this rumor or has more information about the meteorite 
hunters?

Thanks!

Thomas ?sterberg




From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 14:59:18 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:59:18 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Facebook Application
Message-ID: <e51421550910091159q1ce8995fm32af9898e0bbe60f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks!

I have noticed that many of you are on Facebook.  As you Facebookers
(?) know, there are a ton of applications available and most of them
are just ways to diddle away the time without doing anything
productive.  Some are amusing, but many are annoying or just
uninteresting.  I generally ignore them.

But, it occurred to me that there are no meteorite-related apps on
Facebook.  There are some meteorite groups and plenty of collectors on
there, but no apps.  After seeing 100's of these "gift givinng" apps
where people send things to each other (in digital form of course), I
thought it might be neat to have a Meteorite Giving app.  So I put one
together.

This app is much better than the short-lived Meteorite Trivia Quiz I
made, which was lame because I was still new to Facebook and making
apps.  I hope this new app is much better and proves to amusing in
some way.

Here is a link to the app - http://apps.facebook.com/give-a-meteo-fgejbj/

Over time, I will be adding more items to this app.  If you have a
nice photo of a particular meteorite you would like to donate to the
app, then contact me off list.  All of the photos in the app come from
pieces in my personal collection of meteorites, which is quite
limited.

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG


-- 
.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone
eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle
..........................................................


From garychase at live.com  Fri Oct  9 14:59:55 2009
From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:59:55 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Perceptions of the Denver Gem and Mineral Show
Message-ID: <COL106-W2079A2FF33D512EFA20E5ED2CB0@phx.gbl>


Hi Guys>
 
I have been trying to reconcile Blaine Reed's mailing list and his remarks about the Denver show VS Michael Blood's column in Meteorite Times.
 
Michael's column is here>
 
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MMT.html
 
Blaine said in his list, and this is a quote>
 
"The show turned out to be quite good.  Not a lot of "foot traffic" but the people that did show up were definitely buying.  Meteorites seem to be surviving the economic difficulties quite nicely."
 
Since both of these assessments seem to be at odds with each other, I wonder what other list members think of the meteorite market.
 
Garhy 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct  9 15:02:03 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:02:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 7, 2009
Message-ID: <200910091902.n99J23lm028534@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
October 7, 2009

o Icy Impact (ESP_014436_0920)	
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014436_0920

o Light-Toned Deposits in Noctis Labyrinthus
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014353_1685

o USGS Dune Database Entry Number 0419-449
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014348_1345

o Polar Layered Deposits Stratigraphy Near Chasma Australe
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014334_0945

o USGS Dune Database Entry Number 3327-692
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014298_1105

o Gullied Crater Wall
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014256_1300


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct  9 15:04:11 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:04:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 5-9, 2009
Message-ID: <200910091904.n99J4BHI029601@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
October 5-9, 2009

o Dunes (05 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091005a

o Ganges Chasma (06 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091006a

o Dunes (07 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091007a

o Nili Patera Dunes (08 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091008a

o Dunes (09 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091009a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 





From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct  9 15:15:47 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - October 7, 2009
Message-ID: <200910091915.n99JFlWN002191@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE:  Busy with Antenna Brake Testing and Underbelly Imaging
- sols 2042 to 2049, Sept. 30 - Oct. 07, 2009:

Spirit is still currently in X-band fault mode due to a high-gain
antenna (HGA) dynamic brake anomaly that first occurred on Sol 2027 and
recurred again on Sol 2037. With this HGA fault, all X-band uplinks use
the low-gain antenna (LGA), and uplink bandwidth is very limited.
Forward-link commanding through Mars Odyssey is being used for all large
commanding sequences like data management bundles and science sequencing.

On Sol 2044, Spirit completed another Microscopic Imager (MI) mosaic of
the underneath of Spirit for extraction analysis, along with another
test of the HGA dynamic brake. Results of that brake test were largely
nominal. The current plan is to bring Spirit out of the X-band fault
mode on Sol 2050 and perform a long-duration HGA motion test before
resuming normal HGA operation. Spirit's systems are otherwise in good
health.

As of Sol 2049, the rover solar array energy production was 423
watt-hours with an atmospheric opacity (tau) of 0.657 and a dust factor
of 0.603.

Total odometry as of Sol 2049: 7,729.93 meters.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE:  Opportunity Knocks with Another Meteorite Find -
sols 2021-2028, Sept. 30 - Oct. 07, 2009:

Opportunity has discovered another large (0.5-meter) meteorite. The
rover began the approach to this new meteorite, called "Shelter Island,"
with a 28-meter backward drive on Sol 2022.

On Sol 2024, Opportunity turned around with a 2-meter drive to face the
meteorite. A final 1-meter bump on Sol 2027 put the meteorite within the
work volume of the rover robotic arm (IDD). In-situ (contact)
measurements are now being planned.

Motor currents in the right front wheel continue to remain well behaved.

As of Sol 2028, the solar array energy production was 449 watt-hours
with an atmospheric opacity (tau) of 0.638 and a dust factor of 0.5695.

Total odometry as of Sol 2028: 17,962.44 meters



From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 16:49:19 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:49:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD West, Sikhote, Canyon Diablo with hole - CHEAP!
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910091349v7ac549dclf5c166aa5371ab39@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I hate to sell these so cheap but I need to raise money for yet
another meteorite hunting trip. Take a look you will be surprised.

http://www.mr-meteorite.net/meteoritesforsale.htm


From romanj at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct  9 18:09:24 2009
From: romanj at sympatico.ca (Roman Jirasek)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:09:24 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Export Permits
References: <80659e1a0910091349v7ac549dclf5c166aa5371ab39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP151656400B6F03A9A2157BA4CB0@phx.gbl>

To anyone interested.

Today I shipped 4 more Buzzard Coulee meteorites out of Canada, legally.
Export permit numbers: 106938, 106939, 106940, 106941

This totals 7 permits for me since March, with 8 more applications pending.
We did lose 2 meteorites to the Montreal Planetarium a few weeks ago, but
they were happy, and my original buyers were refunded.
So the system seems to work as designed, you just get a little older 
waiting.

Congratulations to my new permit holders, and thanks for your patients.

Roman Jirasek
www.meteoritelabels.com





From mikewren at gilanet.com  Fri Oct  9 21:01:44 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:01:44 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: A Few Highlights of Amazing Auctions and * 3
	Super Giveaway Priced Specimens -Yes, I am Cleaning House!
Message-ID: <5979F400-BA19-4B47-A7B5-6A61E3559F17@gilanet.com>



Hello,

No baby yet!  However, there has been plenty of waiting and nesting  
duties....

Meanwhile - I have picked 3 more specimens and priced them at Giveaway  
Prices -  Take A Look!

First $550.00 gets this Silicated Iron Slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220492731681

Here is a cool Iron Individual! First $625.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220492733461

A 8700 gram Monster at a Giveaway price!  First $2,000.00  - Shipping  
charges for overseas purchase.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220487907838






SEE ALL AT ONCE:

http://shop.ebay.com:80/meteorite-collector/m.html?LH_Auction

(When you get there, just click on the Auction Link to See Just  
Auctions)


SEE AMAZING HIGHLIGHTS BELOW:

New Fall- TAMDAKHT, H5, 56 gram, With Crust - A Fine Example with  
great fusion crust!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339545574

(ASH CREEK) The WEST, Texas Fall, L6, 31.69g - SUPER INDIVIDUAL!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489973015

Rare Meteorite Fall From Argentina, MALOTAS,H5, 41.50 g  _ VERY LOW  
KNOWN WEIGHT, RARE AND THE ONLY ONE I HAVE! THIS ONE IS VERY RARE FOLKS!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489952201

Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 2594 g - BIG BIG BIG SPECIMEN-  
LAST ONE I HAVE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339590226

(New) CV3, NWA 5546 From Africa, 46.49 gram - One of My Last Big Pieces.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390940838

Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes, 118g - LAST TIME I am  
Offering Big Pieces of Bondoc in Auction Like This! Don't wait.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339569109

(NEW) Ungrouped Ataxite, GRIFFITH, TX, 7.19g - Getting to my last ones!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390938897

Nice TOLUCA Iron Individual, Mexico, 817 g - BIG Toluca! Still very,  
very cheap!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391003637

Beautiful Sikhote-Alin Iron Individual, 38.8g - Extremely BEAUTIFUL  
Sikhote - Great Shape!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489988471

A Perfect MILLBILLILLIE Individual, 8.57g - MY LAST PERFECT INDIVIDUAL!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220490026766

Seldom Available LONG ISLAND, Kansas, 23.3g - ONLY ONE I HAVE TO OFFER!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489966245

Nice Specimen of NWA 869, L4-6, 190 gram - SUPER NICE AND SUPER CHEAP!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489964638

Rare NWA 2932, Mesosiderite, Nice! 6.20 gram - Pretty Specimen.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391025941

Individual From HENBURY, Australia, 1.87g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391103828

Outstanding Silicated Iron, NWA 5549, 4.39g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391106604

Choice Specimen From Northwest Africa-48.97g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339591101

CANYON DIABLO Individual, IAB Iron, 140 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489969099

-Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes,2.83g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391025100

NWA 3118, Outstanding CV3, Nice 5.39 gram - Take A Look - Nice One.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391017339

Outstanding Silicated-Campo Del Cielo -52.93g - One of my Last Big  
Ones...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391004985

and many others....


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael


From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 21:00:25 2009
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:00:25 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Off topic? Well not for me anyway...Ebay zoom
	feature...wow!
Message-ID: <468bf6050910091800t5a2a9c1lc4fc83f66da9c460@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all my wife just pointed the new (I think) feature on Ebay called
zoom. When you are viewing a picture on Ebay just under the photo on
the left hand side the button says zoom. Then after you click on it a
box appears in the middle of the photo. Once you move your cursor to
this box you get an incredible close up view of the photo. Very cool
to get a close view of whatever you are looking to buy. Incredible for
etched meteorites. Just in case some of you have not seen this feature
yet. : )  Very cool if you ask me.

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
     928-753-6825


From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Fri Oct  9 22:38:13 2009
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:38:13 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thumbprints! Ad
Message-ID: <d58.4b01f557.38014d95@aol.com>

Hi list, I just listed a 8.3 Kg unclassified NWA  with some real beautiful 
thumbprints.  It has a fair amount of weathering  but still shows well.  
Please take a look and let me know what you  think.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260489046852&ssPageName=S
TRK:MESELX:IT


Also,  I put up a VERY OLD antique microscope that is set up for cross 
polarized  light.  Just add some thin sections and you've got a world class  
kaleidoscope.  

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260489073801&ssPageName=S
TRK:MESELX:IT

Thanks,   Tom Phillips  



From lintonius at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  9 22:56:42 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:56:42 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show featured on "The Desert Speaks"
References: <mailman.31.1255104035.53308.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <D56D520A252342DDACE90FF43E375E65@D190TH71>

Thanks Brian.
I wish I could have caught that.
I'll watch for it in the future.
Linton

> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:19:59 -0500
> From: "Brian Cox" <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show, featured on "The Desert Speaks"
> a repeat tonight from 2006, on one of my local PBS stations with Bob
> Haag
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <681DB988AB224D0994645E71E74554EC at user6e6e286533>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> I Just watched the Desert Speaks on PBS, it was a show from 2006, with the
> host David Yetman and they were in Tucson. They did different sections of
> the 30 minute show. They showed meteorites and were at the home of  Bob
> Haag, and David said he was the most well known person in the meteorite
> collecting world, "The King of Meteorites" I do believe they called him. 
> He
> was showing the host how to use his metal detector to hunt for meteorites
> and the different kinds of meteorites, some from Argentina, Kansas, Russia
> and other countries around the world. He showed the beautiful peridot in
> pallasite meteorites and showed how to cut and polish a meteorite. Then 
> they
> were walking around the Tucson show looking at fossils and then went to
> Wyoming to hunt for fossils and then showed petrified wood and then cut 
> away
> to travel near the Petrified Forest and the land of the owners of a large
> petrified wood shop where they were using a back hoe to dig out petrified
> wood and polish it and make it into bookends and table tops. It was a 
> great
> show.
>
> Bob Haag ended the show with the host David as they were walking with the
> metal detector as the credits rolled. Look for this 2006 show on your 
> local
> PBS stations. It was a fitting show to be on tonight with all of the talk
> about the Tucson Show. One thing we have to remember about meteorites is
> that any irons would surely start to rust if not treated in a humid 
> climate
> or near the ocean. Tucson and anyplace in the desert that is dry is the
> perfect place for meteorites. They could easily move the fossils, 
> petrified
> wood, minerals and gems to about any location anywhere in the world, but 
> we
> also have to remember that flying to Hawaii or anyplace that you can't 
> load
> up your RV, truck, camper or car is going to be very, very expensive since
> you can't bring large stones as carry on luggage, since they think they 
> may
> be used as weapons and shipping costs could get expensive from some of the
> areas that are being mentioned.



From lintonius at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  9 23:15:55 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:15:55 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?
References: <mailman.31.1255104035.53308.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <4F02827F3081424286B1B80072572F82@D190TH71>

I hope you're right Michael.
Last year was my first time trip to Tucson. I enjoyed it very much and came 
home with some nice meteorites and some new friends. I also came home 
inspired to expand my humble collection (ch-ching), organize it more, and 
display it better.
With whatever problems there may be to address, Tucson just seems like the 
right place for this event. And Vegas, with all it's distractions, does not. 
It would be a much shorter drive for me, but it's not the place I want to 
be. The "Tucson Show" belongs in...Tucson.
Linton

> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:05:22 -0700
> From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to
> Vegas?
> To: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritesusa.com>, Adam Hupe
> <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>, Meteorite List
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <C6F47512.801F%mlblood at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I could be wrong,
>        But I believe this one promoter leaving would not
> Spell the end of the Tucson Show at all( AND he would
> Likely end up returning.
>        I believe this part of the show deals in fine gems,
> Not minerals, fossils and certainly not meteorites. I don't
> Believe ANY of the fossil, mineral or meteorite dealers
> Would "follow" him - of course, if Marty Zinn is behind
> This it could possibly involve many financial and business
> Pressures on these dealers.....
>        Regardless, I would not count on this spelling the end of the
> Tucson Show and his threat may be just that - a threat.
> Certainly Tucson needs to get their stinking act together!
> I can't remember when all the exits were operating. That
> Crap has gone on for years and is a giant pain in the ass!
> In San Diego or LA such improvements would be completed
> In a few weeks with ALL the construction taking place in the
> Middle of the night under halogen lighting and allowing free
> Traffic in the day. In Tucson, it is done in the day and, like
> Penelope's weaving seams to be undone at night, as it staggers
> The imagination that the freeway and exit work could take
> YEARS!



From lintonius at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  9 23:27:34 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:27:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lcross Event
References: <mailman.31.1255104035.53308.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <1E1AA5BE2B47494E906D5D5D9EE60EAB@D190TH71>

Count,
I had clear sky and very good seeing, but I wasn't able to spot the plume, 
here in SoCal. Apparently, I was not the only one. That's comforting...I 
thought it was just me. I'm fairly sure I had the right crater, but I was 
glancing at a couple other shadowed craters nearby, just to hedge my bets. 
'Twas a first-time experiment and it didn't quite pan out as they planned. 
Scientifically though, I believe the mission was a success. As a side note, 
I was amazed at the dozens of TINY craters I could see in Clavius.
No regrets...I had a great time trying.
Linton

14.5" Starmaster w/6mm Ethos (300x)




> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:57:11 -0400 (EDT)
> From: countdeiro at earthlink.net
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lcross Event
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <30620799.1255089431986.JavaMail.root at wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hello List,
>
> Did anyone in North America watch the Lcross Impact at 4:31 PDT? I did 
> with NASA TV and a 100 power scope. Nada...zilch...I saw nothing. I 
> thought we were going to be able to see the ejecta cloud. I didn't see 
> anything on NASA's Flash or IR cameras either. Wha hoppen?
>
> Count Deiro



From lintonius at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  9 23:46:53 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:46:53 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] "The Tucson Show" isn't going anywhere
References: <mailman.95.1255114925.53737.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <1FC489A918F749DDBA83351700B38AFF@D190TH71>

"I highly doubt they add miles of new lanes, including brand new bridges, in 
LA in a few months, but I agree that two years is too long."

It doesn't matter how many new lanes they add here, Richard, or how quick 
they build them. L.A.'s traffic just keeps getting worse. I can't wait to 
get out of here...Utah, here I come! :^)
Linton


> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:55:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Richard Kowalski <damoclid at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] "The Tucson Show" isn't going anywhere
> To: Eric Wichman <eric at meteoritesusa.com>, Adam Hupe
> <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>, Meteorite List
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
> Message-ID: <890467.85826.qm at web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> As Michael discusses, the American Gem Trade Association (AGTA) is but one 
> of the 42 or more shows that takes place during the wonderful two week 
> period that is known as "The Show"
>
> They represent about 200 dealers that attended during a 5 day period in 
> the middle of "The Show".
>
> Apparently they aren't as unhappy with the facilities and hotels as is 
> claimed, but it is sounding to me that they are unhappy with all the other 
> competition. Why would buyers spend retail prices when there are literally 
> hundreds of other dealers selling the same items for under wholesale 
> nearby? Being by themselves in Vegas, they can have the place to 
> themselves and charge what they like.
>
> Surely we in Tucson don't want to lose any business, but overall I doubt 
> that they would be much missed. As has been pointed out, their moving to 
> Vegas would free up badly needed room for other dealers.
>
> I think over the long term it may actually prove to be more expensive for 
> the AGTA members as it'll be realized that the "Vegas show" isn't the 
> place to be instead of Tucson, but yet another show they need to attend in 
> addition to Tucson... And by then they'll have to find a new location to 
> operate as the old space will probably be taken up by a new show.
>
> The mineral, fossil, beads, African art, etc, etc dealers...
>
> Oh yeah, and meteorite dealers too, don't sound like they have any plans 
> to go anywhere else instead.
>
> Finally to answer Michael's comments about the road construction. I-10 is 
> now finished several months ahead of schedule. It wasn't just exit 
> upgrades, but the addition of an additional travel lane in each direction.
> I highly doubt they add miles of new lanes, including brand new bridges, 
> in LA in a few months, but I agree that two years is too long.
>
> I traveled on it cross-town a few weeks ago and was pleasantly surprised 
> how nice the resulting work has been. I was even happier to see that the 
> speed limit through the entire section that was upgraded was increased to 
> 65mph from 55mph.
>
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA #1081



From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 00:55:24 2009
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:55:24 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] 4 New Meteor Videos
Message-ID: <f0a794130910092155qfca62b8i41a324d2be56d36e@mail.gmail.com>

I've recently been able to collect 4 new meteor videos from the York
Water company. All of the videos come from the same original location
and are taken from different cameras.

One in particular has really good shadows.

An interesting observation I made while reviewing these: 3 of the
videos show a secondary light flash after the primary burst. In the
shadow video it looks like the shadow is longer on the secondary
flare. I think this could mean the 2nd object is lower in altitude?

Another thing that is interesting is in one of the videos a light goes
out 27 seconds after the meteor is first seen. I'm thinking the sonic
boom tripped a sensor or blew out the light bulb. I'm not sure if
there is benefit in knowing the exact amount of time that transpired
from the original sighting to the sonic boom.

These 4 videos bring York Water's total video count up to 6 plus the 3
others makes 9 total videos for this fall.

I put all 6 York Videos into one youtube to keep them all in the same
place. Two of these are re-posts but the other 4 are new.

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/four-new-meteor-videos/


From minador at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 10 01:17:51 2009
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:17:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] "The Tucson Show" isn't going anywhere
In-Reply-To: <803283.36161.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <450857.36103.qm@web54401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Amen to that!

--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Adam Hupe wrote:

> 
> Let's hope that the Tucson ctiy council learns a lesson
> from all of this and stops taking the show and attendees for
> granted.



From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sat Oct 10 04:41:46 2009
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 10 Oct 2009 08:41:46 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Two Years Already?!
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000A1000040C1@paulinet.de>

Dear Jim,

Friday, May 21, 2004, you wrote about your Holbrook hunt:

"None of my Holbrooks were big. The largest was 0.8 grams, two or three at
0.4 grams and the rest just under that. I found fourteen total. It was just
something different to do and I only hunted a day and one half."


I am sure you can behold, touch and fondle lots of beautiful Holbrooks and Gold Basins
where you are now on your little S-type asteroid 149244 Kriegh. Your little asteroid is
a member of the Flora family and some scientists theorize that the Floras are members of
the parent bodies of the L chondrites. Well, they still have to theorize, you don't because
you are there, ... far, far away from us but not forgotten! 

All our best wishes to you up there
in your heavenly, asteroidal abode,

Bernd



From rocksfromspace at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 10 08:11:54 2009
From: rocksfromspace at yahoo.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:11:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 10,
	2009
Message-ID: <272508.11787.qm@web113009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_10_2009.html


      



From fujmon at mac.com  Sat Oct 10 11:27:29 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:27:29 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay auctions ending in an hour
Message-ID: <FE85E810-EE9E-41CF-952F-05E5542413E5@mac.com>

The Big Kahuna has some quality meteorites up for auction on ebay  
ending TODAY at 9:36 am PDT (that?s in about an hour). Up for grabs  
are:

NWA 869 thumbprinted beauty 11.39g
NWA x unclassified individuals 20.81g, 225g
Chergach H5, 39.12g, 99% FC
Bassikounou H5, 4.07g 99% FC
Gao-Guenie H5, 36.48g individual
Allende CV3, 8.21g crusted individual+paper
Camel Donga Euc, 5.9g flowlined beauty
Holbrook 6.43g crusted individual
Chergach H5, 102g 97% FC awesome
...and more, at

http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

Bids are still at opening or low levels, so its possible to grab some  
good deals on quality meteorites this weekend.  You?ll never find  
better material anywhere at these prices, so bid now!

Preview for next week:  A perfect Bassi, Chergach, Gao, Allende, NWA  
CV3 and Pal, Camel Donga, small Olivine Bomb, and a rare slice of  
possible diogenite with vesicles reminiscent of Dho 700.

Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From fujmon at mac.com  Sat Oct 10 11:18:06 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:18:06 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay auctions ending in an hour
Message-ID: <9DB412BC-7323-46F7-8185-DBDAAE9F884B@mac.com>

The Big Kahuna has some quality meteorites up for auction on ebay  
ending TODAY at 9:36 am PDT (that?s in less than 1.5 hr).  Up for  
grabs are:

NWA 869 thumbprinted beauty 11.39g
NWA x unclassified individuals 20.81g, 225g
Chergach H5, 39.12g, 99% FC
Bassikounou H5, 4.07g 99% FC
Gao-Guenie H5, 36.48g individual
Allende CV3, 8.21g crusted individual+paper
Camel Donga Euc, 5.9g flowlined beauty
Holbrook 6.43g crusted individual
Chergach H5, 102g 97% FC awesome
...and more, at

http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

Bids are still at opening or low levels, so its possible to grab some  
good deals on quality meteorites this weekend.  You?ll never find  
better material anywhere at these prices, so bid now!

Preview for next week:  A perfect Bassi, Chergach, Gao, Allende, NWA  
CV3 and Pal, Camel Donga, small Olivine Bomb, and a rare slice of  
possible diogenite with vesicles reminiscent of Dho 700.

Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Sat Oct 10 13:49:17 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:49:17 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT for Mal
Message-ID: <005901ca49d1$fe343fb0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Your lowcountry-address still hates me - please send me a message from your
other account!

Martin



From moritzkarl at t-online.de  Sat Oct 10 15:36:47 2009
From: moritzkarl at t-online.de (Moritz Karl)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:36:47 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auctions ending in 24 hours
Message-ID: <000301ca49e1$018abfe0$04a03fa0$@de>

Dear List Members,

I have 12 auctions in approx. 24 hours.
Some highlights:

- Bassikounou slice and half individual
- Chergach half individual
- super thin Dar al Gani 400 partslice
- etched Cape York partslice
- Estherville partslice
- Gao half individual
- Menow partslice
- Wiluna individual

You can see them all here:

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/mos-meteorites__W0QQ_armrsZ1

or through my website:

http://www.m3t3orites.com/ebay.php

Thank you all for looking and Good Luck to everyone bidding!
Kind Regards
Moritz Karl
Germany

Visit mo's meteorites at
http://www.m3t3orites.com





From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 10 17:19:18 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:19:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Great Meteorites for sale
Message-ID: <503363.38476.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all, hope everyone is having a good day!

I have many ebay listings that end in the next 24 hours and also will be listing more to ebay today.
You can view my ebay listings here:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1

10% off any sale done off ebay and I will always consider reasonable offers.

Whats available? 
Winonaite, Martian, Lunar, Eucrite, Diogenite, Chondrites, Achondrites, and more.

Thanks for looking,

Greg C.
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com


      


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Sat Oct 10 21:35:47 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:35:47 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Another one at a giveaway price... just for
	this weekend-Take A Look.
Message-ID: <9377FD0C-2DCD-4037-ABF1-0C4306CC0B71@gilanet.com>


Here is another giveaway priced specimen:


Howardite - Most Likely The Main Mass -  768 gram  First $4000.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200366353661





Hello,

No baby yet!  However, there has been plenty of waiting and nesting  
duties....

Meanwhile - I have picked 3 more specimens and priced them at Giveaway  
Prices -  Take A Look!

First $550.00 gets this Silicated Iron Slice!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220492731681

Here is a cool Iron Individual! First $625.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220492733461

A 8700 gram Monster at a Giveaway price!  First $2,000.00  - Shipping  
charges for overseas purchase.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220487907838






SEE ALL AT ONCE:

http://shop.ebay.com:80/meteorite-collector/m.html?LH_Auction

(When you get there, just click on the Auction Link to See Just  
Auctions)


SEE AMAZING HIGHLIGHTS BELOW:

New Fall- TAMDAKHT, H5, 56 gram, With Crust - A Fine Example with  
great fusion crust!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339545574

(ASH CREEK) The WEST, Texas Fall, L6, 31.69g - SUPER INDIVIDUAL!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489973015

Rare Meteorite Fall From Argentina, MALOTAS,H5, 41.50 g  _ VERY LOW  
KNOWN WEIGHT, RARE AND THE ONLY ONE I HAVE! THIS ONE IS VERY RARE FOLKS!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489952201

Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 2594 g - BIG BIG BIG SPECIMEN-  
LAST ONE I HAVE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339590226

(New) CV3, NWA 5546 From Africa, 46.49 gram - One of My Last Big Pieces.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390940838

Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes, 118g - LAST TIME I am  
Offering Big Pieces of Bondoc in Auction Like This! Don't wait.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339569109

(NEW) Ungrouped Ataxite, GRIFFITH, TX, 7.19g - Getting to my last ones!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390938897

Nice TOLUCA Iron Individual, Mexico, 817 g - BIG Toluca! Still very,  
very cheap!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391003637

Beautiful Sikhote-Alin Iron Individual, 38.8g - Extremely BEAUTIFUL  
Sikhote - Great Shape!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489988471

A Perfect MILLBILLILLIE Individual, 8.57g - MY LAST PERFECT INDIVIDUAL!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220490026766

Seldom Available LONG ISLAND, Kansas, 23.3g - ONLY ONE I HAVE TO OFFER!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489966245

Nice Specimen of NWA 869, L4-6, 190 gram - SUPER NICE AND SUPER CHEAP!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489964638

Rare NWA 2932, Mesosiderite, Nice! 6.20 gram - Pretty Specimen.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391025941

Individual From HENBURY, Australia, 1.87g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391103828

Outstanding Silicated Iron, NWA 5549, 4.39g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391106604

Choice Specimen From Northwest Africa-48.97g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339591101

CANYON DIABLO Individual, IAB Iron, 140 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489969099

-Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes,2.83g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391025100

NWA 3118, Outstanding CV3, Nice 5.39 gram - Take A Look - Nice One.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391017339

Outstanding Silicated-Campo Del Cielo -52.93g - One of my Last Big  
Ones...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391004985

and many others....


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael


From mmurray at montrose.net  Sat Oct 10 23:46:27 2009
From: mmurray at montrose.net (Michael Murray)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:46:27 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Off topic? Well not for me anyway...Ebay zoom
	feature...wow!
In-Reply-To: <468bf6050910091800t5a2a9c1lc4fc83f66da9c460@mail.gmail.com>
References: <468bf6050910091800t5a2a9c1lc4fc83f66da9c460@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3D021A09-0752-4DC8-883D-C3E20AA10CE7@montrose.net>

The new Windows Vista has a magnifier in it like that.  I have a  
magnifier on my Mac too.  I agree, very cool.  I use them a lot.  I  
just tried the ebay zoom on a chondrite.  Very nice too.
Thanks for sharing the info.
Mike in CO


On Oct 9, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Mike Miller wrote:

> Hi all my wife just pointed the new (I think) feature on Ebay called
> zoom. When you are viewing a picture on Ebay just under the photo on
> the left hand side the button says zoom. Then after you click on it a
> box appears in the middle of the photo. Once you move your cursor to
> this box you get an incredible close up view of the photo. Very cool
> to get a close view of whatever you are looking to buy. Incredible for
> etched meteorites. Just in case some of you have not seen this feature
> yet. : )  Very cool if you ask me.
>
> -- 
> Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
> www.meteoritefinder.com
>     928-753-6825
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list



From mlblood at cox.net  Sun Oct 11 00:56:25 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:56:25 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] zoom feature... On Macs
In-Reply-To: <3D021A09-0752-4DC8-883D-C3E20AA10CE7@montrose.net>
Message-ID: <C6F6B389.80DB%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Michael,
        Your wording implies there is a "magnifier" function in
Macintosh computers. Can you tell me (us) where it is and how
To use it - or is it a feature one must purchase seperately?
        I believe list members would like to know, so, please respond
On list.
        Thanks, Michael


On 10/10/09 8:46 PM, "Michael Murray" <mmurray at montrose.net> wrote:

> The new Windows Vista has a magnifier in it like that.  I have a
> magnifier on my Mac too.  I agree, very cool.  I use them a lot.  I
> just tried the ebay zoom on a chondrite.  Very nice too.
> Thanks for sharing the info.
> Mike in CO
> 
> 
> On Oct 9, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Mike Miller wrote:
> 
>> Hi all my wife just pointed the new (I think) feature on Ebay called
>> zoom. When you are viewing a picture on Ebay just under the photo on
>> the left hand side the button says zoom. Then after you click on it a
>> box appears in the middle of the photo. Once you move your cursor to
>> this box you get an incredible close up view of the photo. Very cool
>> to get a close view of whatever you are looking to buy. Incredible for
>> etched meteorites. Just in case some of you have not seen this feature
>> yet. : )  Very cool if you ask me.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
>> www.meteoritefinder.com
>>     928-753-6825
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list




From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 01:21:16 2009
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:21:16 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] zoom feature... On Macs
In-Reply-To: <C6F6B389.80DB%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <3D021A09-0752-4DC8-883D-C3E20AA10CE7@montrose.net>
	<C6F6B389.80DB%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <f0a794130910102221o66f90ae6me4881d5dcd9226e@mail.gmail.com>

yes mac's have a very nice zoom feature. I think you are talking about this:

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/Zoom_In_On_Your_Desktop/

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> ? ? ? ?Your wording implies there is a "magnifier" function in
> Macintosh computers. Can you tell me (us) where it is and how
> To use it - or is it a feature one must purchase seperately?
> ? ? ? ?I believe list members would like to know, so, please respond
> On list.
> ? ? ? ?Thanks, Michael
>
>
> On 10/10/09 8:46 PM, "Michael Murray" <mmurray at montrose.net> wrote:
>
>> The new Windows Vista has a magnifier in it like that. ?I have a
>> magnifier on my Mac too. ?I agree, very cool. ?I use them a lot. ?I
>> just tried the ebay zoom on a chondrite. ?Very nice too.
>> Thanks for sharing the info.
>> Mike in CO
>>
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Mike Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all my wife just pointed the new (I think) feature on Ebay called
>>> zoom. When you are viewing a picture on Ebay just under the photo on
>>> the left hand side the button says zoom. Then after you click on it a
>>> box appears in the middle of the photo. Once you move your cursor to
>>> this box you get an incredible close up view of the photo. Very cool
>>> to get a close view of whatever you are looking to buy. Incredible for
>>> etched meteorites. Just in case some of you have not seen this feature
>>> yet. : ) ?Very cool if you ask me.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
>>> www.meteoritefinder.com
>>> ? ? 928-753-6825
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 11 02:16:09 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:16:09 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	4, 2009
References: <mailman.23.1254672044.82825.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <208EDE34B9AE48E1AEEB0EE964EE0032@D190TH71>

Wow! That is incredible Anne.
I don't collect thin sections...yet...but this is the kind of thing that 
could get me started. I get the distinct impression of looking up through 
beautiful old stained glass in the dome of a great cathedral. Awesome!
Linton Rohr

> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:05:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Johnson <rocksfromspace at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
> October 4, 2009
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <430039.85425.qm at web113013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_4_2009.html
>



From schroer at bigpond.com  Sun Oct 11 01:14:57 2009
From: schroer at bigpond.com (W&S Schroer)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:44:57 +1030
Subject: [meteorite-list]  zoom feature... On Macs
Message-ID: <BC6C1E2B3B4B4AC69525337757CA40E5@WERNER>


Hi Michael,
I hope this will help you:
  a.. Mac OSX has a built in magnifier called Zoom
  b.. Make sure you are in 'Finder' and open the ?Apple? menu
  c.. Select 'System Preferences...' and then the 'Universal Access' icon.
  d.. Select the 'Seeing' tab and then 'Turn on Zoom'
  e.. To zoom in press 'Alt' + ' Apple' + '+', and to zoom out press 'Alt' + 
'Apple' + '-'. Move the cursor around the screen to view the magnified page.
  f.. To change the Maximum and Minimum Zoom settings click on ' Zoom 
Options... ' or press ' Tab ' until ' Zoom Options... ' is highlighted and 
then press the ' Spacebar '.
  g.. To turn magnification on or off at any time press 'Alt' + 'Apple' + 
'*'
Magnifying the screen in Mac OS 8 and 9

  a.. The Mac OS includes an optional screen magnification program called 
'CloseView'.
  b.. If it is not installed on your computer it can be found on the Mac OS 
CD-Rom under CD Extras: Universal Access: CloseView
  c.. If you do not have access to the Mac OS CD-Rom it is available on the 
web at Apple Macintosh Software Toolkit
  d.. Once you have ?CloseView? installed, open it by opening the 'Apple' 
menu on the computer and from the 'Control Panels' sub menu selecting 
'CloseView'.
  e.. From here you can turn 'CloseView' on and off, set the magnification 
scale for example x2, invert the colours of the screen to white text on a 
black background and turn the 'CloseView' keyboard shortcuts on and off.
  f.. With the 'Keyboard Shortcuts' on you can use these 'CloseView' 
commands from within any program at any time:
    a.. 'Alt' + 'Apple' + 'K' Turn CloseView on or off
    b.. 'Alt' + 'Apple' + 'X' Turn magnification on or off
    c.. 'Alt' + 'Apple' + '+' Increase magnification
    d.. 'Alt' + 'Apple' + '-' Decrease magnification
  Or go here instead: 
http://www.giftshop.cancerresearchuk.org/magnifying-the-screen/#MacOS

  Cheers
  Werner Schroer 



From lintonius at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 11 02:59:39 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:59:39 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	5, 2009
References: <mailman.82.1254754306.35738.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <E64D520443FE426D988261B66D447A3F@D190TH71>

That really is amazing, Jim!
I have a nice S-A "bullet", but it pales in comparison.
The shape alone is great, but the flowlines put it over the top!
What's it weigh in at? I'm guessing it's smaller than it looks.
Linton Rohr


> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:19:17 -0700
> From: "Arlene Schlazer" <piebear at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
> October 5, 2009
> To: "Michael Johnson" <rocksfromspace at yahoo.com>,
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <9AB47E535EAD4365AC06A4101125D6D8 at PiePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi Jim,
> Now that is one amazing piece....has to be the best I've seen yet!  (next 
> to
> the one in the tree, that is!!)  Best regards, Arlene
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Johnson" <rocksfromspace at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:03 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
> 5,2009
>
>
>> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_5_2009.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________



From abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 05:32:07 2009
From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com (Abdelaziz Alhyane)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:32:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou birthday October 12
Message-ID: <927050.95119.qm@web45401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hello List,
Happy birthday bassikounou and I think Jim strope has the same.
http://spacerocksinc.com/May_11_2007.html
My best
Aziz


      



From nwa482 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 10:29:07 2009
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:29:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
In-Reply-To: <638972765.5081541255271334546.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1775213677.5081591255271347352.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=44876

Jim Strope 
421 Fourth Street 
Glen Dale, WV ?26038 

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ 


From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 11 10:46:14 2009
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:46:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
	October	5, 2009
Message-ID: <16590423.1255272374906.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hello List,

I had occasion to co-host a luncheon at a government installation Saturday last whose attendees included some of the brightest and highly credentialed members of several aeronautical and astrophysical sciences. Neither young, nor old, of this group could identify the object I projected on a screen for their study. That object being the remarkably shaped, flow lined and oriented Sikhote Alin. Not one recognized it as extra-terrestial. It got very quiet after the animated ten minute "dust up" between these scientists was concluded by our announcing it was a meteorite. Truly, this is a remarkable specimen and I personally thank you for all the fun I had showing and telling. It made me look smarter than I am.

Count Deiro    

-----Original Message-----
>From: Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Oct 11, 2009 2:59 AM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October	5, 2009
>
>That really is amazing, Jim!
>I have a nice S-A "bullet", but it pales in comparison.
>The shape alone is great, but the flowlines put it over the top!
>What's it weigh in at? I'm guessing it's smaller than it looks.
>Linton Rohr
>
>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:19:17 -0700
>> From: "Arlene Schlazer" <piebear at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
>> October 5, 2009
>> To: "Michael Johnson" <rocksfromspace at yahoo.com>,
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Message-ID: <9AB47E535EAD4365AC06A4101125D6D8 at PiePC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>> Now that is one amazing piece....has to be the best I've seen yet!  (next 
>> to
>> the one in the tree, that is!!)  Best regards, Arlene
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Michael Johnson" <rocksfromspace at yahoo.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:03 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
>> 5,2009
>>
>>
>>> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_5_2009.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>
>______________________________________________
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>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From freequarks at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 11:33:53 2009
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:33:53 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] zoom feature... On Macs
In-Reply-To: <822da19a0910110829r3efc80c9hf25ea7430e069367@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D021A09-0752-4DC8-883D-C3E20AA10CE7@montrose.net>
	<C6F6B389.80DB%mlblood@cox.net>
	<822da19a0910110829r3efc80c9hf25ea7430e069367@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <822da19a0910110833k560f98a2rfbf8df7681a13df@mail.gmail.com>

oops.

Note to self: Must read all emails before replying. If the answer is
easy, then someone else has already provided the answer to the list.

Now I have to go type that 100 times on my antikythera laptop.

-Martin



On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Dark Matter <freequarks at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Macs have a screen zooming feature that is controlled by keyboard
> commands once turned on. Its settings are found in the universal
> access options in the system preferences.
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
>


From freequarks at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 11:29:12 2009
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:29:12 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] zoom feature... On Macs
In-Reply-To: <C6F6B389.80DB%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <3D021A09-0752-4DC8-883D-C3E20AA10CE7@montrose.net>
	<C6F6B389.80DB%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <822da19a0910110829r3efc80c9hf25ea7430e069367@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Macs have a screen zooming feature that is controlled by keyboard
commands once turned on. Its settings are found in the universal
access options in the system preferences.

Best,

Martin



On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> ? ? ? ?Your wording implies there is a "magnifier" function in
> Macintosh computers. Can you tell me (us) where it is and how
> To use it - or is it a feature one must purchase seperately?
> ? ? ? ?I believe list members would like to know, so, please respond
> On list.
> ? ? ? ?Thanks, Michael
>
>
> On 10/10/09 8:46 PM, "Michael Murray" <mmurray at montrose.net> wrote:
>
>> The new Windows Vista has a magnifier in it like that. ?I have a
>> magnifier on my Mac too. ?I agree, very cool. ?I use them a lot. ?I
>> just tried the ebay zoom on a chondrite. ?Very nice too.
>> Thanks for sharing the info.
>> Mike in CO
>>
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Mike Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all my wife just pointed the new (I think) feature on Ebay called
>>> zoom. When you are viewing a picture on Ebay just under the photo on
>>> the left hand side the button says zoom. Then after you click on it a
>>> box appears in the middle of the photo. Once you move your cursor to
>>> this box you get an incredible close up view of the photo. Very cool
>>> to get a close view of whatever you are looking to buy. Incredible for
>>> etched meteorites. Just in case some of you have not seen this feature
>>> yet. : ) ?Very cool if you ask me.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
>>> www.meteoritefinder.com
>>> ? ? 928-753-6825
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 12:26:05 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] More Happenings in the News/Gem and Mineral Show
Message-ID: <516985.66508.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

More news on the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show.
 
Gila Courier:
http://www.gilacourier.com/?p=3937
 
AzBiz.com:
http://www.azbiz.com/articles/2009/10/09/news/doc4ace1b3febb15220330886.txt
 
The examiner:
http://www.examiner.com/x-25474-Tucson-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m10d7-Tucson-may-lose-Gem-Show
 
KSWT 13 News:
http://www.kswt.com/Global/story.asp?S=11272582
 
Some comments on the situation:
http://regulus2.azstarnet.com/comments/index.php?id=311727
 
 
Hopefully the city Council is listening.
 
Best Regards,

Adam


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 12:34:35 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:34:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Black Chondrites Info...
Message-ID: <974748.41029.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I am looking for good information on black chondrites.
Not too long ago, I received an individual stone in an order from Morocco and would like to learn more about these neat meteorites.
Does anyone have links to good reliable information on them?

For those who have not seen one, this is what it looks like:

Slice:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF2435.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF2429.jpg

close up:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF2434.jpg


Greg C.
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA 4682

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From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sun Oct 11 13:29:55 2009
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:29:55 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Tahoka questions
References: <424583.10944.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E2A5A61185A4405D89A43FD652F63E89@laptop>

OK, Whats going on here? Was ist loist?
I just looked and you are right, it's outta there!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is weird.
I demand an investigation.
Our prezz disapeared Tahoka and that's why he got the
Nobel?
Pete

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <imca at imcamail.de>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:16 AM
Subject: [IMCA] Tahoka questions


>I have a couple samples of "Tahoka" an L5 from Texas... My question is, 
>where can I find any information on this? Is it an official meteorite? I 
>dont see it listed in the MetBul.
>
> I had a sample on the EOM, but it was removed (?)
>
> Several IMCA and non IMCA members have it for sale, but no information on 
> it.
> Any help would be great.
> Thanks,
>
> Greg C.
> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> IMCA 4682
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> IMCA mailing list
> IMCA at imcamail.de
> http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca 



From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 13:11:06 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:11:06 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Black Chondrites Info...
In-Reply-To: <974748.41029.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <974748.41029.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e51421550910111011n7774d627n32841b790c03fd60@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Greg and List,

I had (have?) a small stone like this.  It's very curious.  I'll have
to dig through my cabinet and see if I still have it.

I'd be interested to hear anything you learn about it.

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG


On 10/11/09, Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am looking for good information on black chondrites.
> Not too long ago, I received an individual stone in an order from Morocco
> and would like to learn more about these neat meteorites.
> Does anyone have links to good reliable information on them?
>
> For those who have not seen one, this is what it looks like:
>
> Slice:
> http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF2435.jpg
> http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF2429.jpg
>
> close up:
> http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF2434.jpg
>
>
> Greg C.
> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> IMCA 4682
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
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-- 
.........................................................
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Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone
eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle
..........................................................


From mmurray at montrose.net  Sun Oct 11 15:26:19 2009
From: mmurray at montrose.net (Michael Murray)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:26:19 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] zoom feature... On Macs
In-Reply-To: <C6F6B389.80DB%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <C6F6B389.80DB%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <2016FEE9-A776-46FC-A627-FB4D6AC966E7@montrose.net>

Hi Michael,
Oops, sorry, no the one I am using is not part of my mac software.   
It's included in my microscope camera software, Motic Images Plus  
which is loaded on my Mac.  There is a "Zoom" feature in "Universal  
Access" on the Mac.  I believe that is under system preferences.   I  
think you have to set  some zoom options if you turn it on.  I haven't  
used it yet but it could be handy.

Mike in CO

On Oct 10, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Michael Blood wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>        Your wording implies there is a "magnifier" function in
> Macintosh computers. Can you tell me (us) where it is and how
> To use it - or is it a feature one must purchase seperately?
>        I believe list members would like to know, so, please respond
> On list.
>        Thanks, Michael
>
>
> On 10/10/09 8:46 PM, "Michael Murray" <mmurray at montrose.net> wrote:
>
>> The new Windows Vista has a magnifier in it like that.  I have a
>> magnifier on my Mac too.  I agree, very cool.  I use them a lot.  I
>> just tried the ebay zoom on a chondrite.  Very nice too.
>> Thanks for sharing the info.
>> Mike in CO
>>
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Mike Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all my wife just pointed the new (I think) feature on Ebay called
>>> zoom. When you are viewing a picture on Ebay just under the photo on
>>> the left hand side the button says zoom. Then after you click on  
>>> it a
>>> box appears in the middle of the photo. Once you move your cursor to
>>> this box you get an incredible close up view of the photo. Very cool
>>> to get a close view of whatever you are looking to buy. Incredible  
>>> for
>>> etched meteorites. Just in case some of you have not seen this  
>>> feature
>>> yet. : )  Very cool if you ask me.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
>>> www.meteoritefinder.com
>>>    928-753-6825
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>



From webbth1 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 16:14:16 2009
From: webbth1 at yahoo.com (Thomas Webb)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:14:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
In-Reply-To: <1775213677.5081591255271347352.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <853014.8748.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jim and List,
The bulletin shows a discrepancy concerning the fall date.  In the data table it gives October 12, 2006 but in the writeup it is October 16.  I belive I was the first to offer any on ebay and at that time I gave the fall date as Oct. 12 and still have that date in my database.  However, perhaps a corrected date was offered later.
Can someone give us confirmation of the actual date that it fell?
Thanks,
Thomas

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
> To: "Meteorite Central" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 10:29 AM
> 
> 
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=44876
> 
> Jim Strope 
> 421 Fourth Street 
> Glen Dale, WV ?26038 
> 
> http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


      


From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Sun Oct 11 16:28:04 2009
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:28:04 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
In-Reply-To: <853014.8748.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1775213677.5081591255271347352.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<853014.8748.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <871799a20910111328o3391d87ax7dc2c8ff070876e2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Thomas,

Cosmogenic radionuclides:
(P. Weber, PPGUN) Gamma-spectroscopy performed in December-January
2006 showed the presence of the following radionuclides: 48V, 46Sc,
56Co, 54Mn, 58Co, 7Be, 51Cr, 57Co, 22Na, 26Al and 60Co.

Recalculated to 12 October 2006 22Na was 38.0?2.2 and 26Al 31.5?2.1
(both dpm/kg), the activity ratio of 1.21 is fully consistent with a
fall on that date.

More info here:  http://kuerzer.de/1u0Y557jF

Cheers,
Peter








2009/10/11 Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com>:
> Jim and List,
> The bulletin shows a discrepancy concerning the fall date. ?In the data table it gives October 12, 2006 but in the writeup it is October 16. ?I belive I was the first to offer any on ebay and at that time I gave the fall date as Oct. 12 and still have that date in my database. ?However, perhaps a corrected date was offered later.
> Can someone give us confirmation of the actual date that it fell?
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
>> To: "Meteorite Central" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 10:29 AM
>>
>>
>> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=44876
>>
>> Jim Strope
>> 421 Fourth Street
>> Glen Dale, WV ?26038
>>
>> http://www.catchafallingstar.com/
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>


From nwa482 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 16:47:00 2009
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:47:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
In-Reply-To: <853014.8748.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1519130028.5156971255294020109.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I bought several KG in the beginning and always did hear that it was OCT 16th even though there was discussion about this early on.  I believe Oct 16 was verified but I do not remember by who.

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Webb" <webbth1 at yahoo.com> 
To: "Jim Strope" <nwa482 at comcast.net> 
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:14:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th 

Jim and List, 
The bulletin shows a discrepancy concerning the fall date. ?In the data table it gives October 12, 2006 but in the writeup it is October 16. ?I belive I was the first to offer any on ebay and at that time I gave the fall date as Oct. 12 and still have that date in my database. ?However, perhaps a corrected date was offered later. 
Can someone give us confirmation of the actual date that it fell? 
Thanks, 
Thomas 

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net> wrote: 

> From: Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net> 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th 
> To: "Meteorite Central" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> 
> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 10:29 AM 
> 
> 
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=44876 
> 
> Jim Strope 
> 421 Fourth Street 
> Glen Dale, WV ?26038 
> 
> http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ 
> ______________________________________________ 
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com 
> Meteorite-list mailing list 
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 
> 





From nwa482 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 17:18:42 2009
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:18:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
In-Reply-To: <34C97572D2074DCE9B6D0626530DFBA2@thinkcentre>
Message-ID: <1630007796.5165021255295922525.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



Well......? that was easy !!! 



Thanks. 

Jim Strope 
421 Fourth Street 
Glen Dale, WV ?26038 

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthias B?rmann" <majbaermann at web.de> 
To: "Jim Strope" <nwa482 at comcast.net>, "Thomas Webb" <webbth1 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:08:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th 

Happy birthday, Jim, 

et voil?: 

http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/Bassikounou_meteorite_1.htm 
(5 pages) 

Best regards, 

Matthias 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Strope" <nwa482 at comcast.net> 
To: "Thomas Webb" <webbth1 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:47 PM 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th 


>I bought several KG in the beginning and always did hear that it was OCT 
>16th even though there was discussion about this early on. ?I believe Oct 
>16 was verified but I do not remember by who. 
> 
> Jim Strope 
> 421 Fourth Street 
> Glen Dale, WV ?26038 
> 
> http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thomas Webb" <webbth1 at yahoo.com> 
> To: "Jim Strope" <nwa482 at comcast.net> 
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:14:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th 
> 
> Jim and List, 
> The bulletin shows a discrepancy concerning the fall date. In the data 
> table it gives October 12, 2006 but in the writeup it is October 16. I 
> belive I was the first to offer any on ebay and at that time I gave the 
> fall date as Oct. 12 and still have that date in my database. However, 
> perhaps a corrected date was offered later. 
> Can someone give us confirmation of the actual date that it fell? 
> Thanks, 
> Thomas 
> 
> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net> wrote: 
> 
>> From: Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net> 
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th 
>> To: "Meteorite Central" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> 
>> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 10:29 AM 
>> 
>> 
>> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=44876 
>> 
>> Jim Strope 
>> 421 Fourth Street 
>> Glen Dale, WV 26038 
>> 
>> http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ 
>> ______________________________________________ 
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com 
>> Meteorite-list mailing list 
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Sun Oct 11 17:29:39 2009
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:29:39 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
In-Reply-To: <871799a20910111328o3391d87ax7dc2c8ff070876e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1775213677.5081591255271347352.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><853014.8748.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<871799a20910111328o3391d87ax7dc2c8ff070876e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CC18D1125731B4-307C-E2C2@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com>

Hi List, Peter,

Could you give a little more detail, as 22Na has a half life of about 
950 days and the experimental uncertainty of that particular measurement
apparently used to calculate the ratio was 11.6%, not to mention worse 
uncertainties with the 26Al. It says the measurement was between 
December and January of 2006.

So for starters, did they measure the meteorite 9 months before it 
fell?
OK, so maybe it is a typo in the link you gave (source or on line 
Meteoritical Bulletin, but the same January 2006 date is currently on 
Svend?s website) and say they are both typos which may or may not say 
something about precision: and should read January 2007.

If we assume the measurements were taken about 75 days after the fall 
and we throw around a ten percent order of magnitude as the possible 
measurement error, would not the difference of 4 days (October 12 vs. 
Oct. 16) be totally lost in the error?

It is more likely the measurements were just to prove it was a fresh 
fall, but the ability to distinguish four days based on a bunch of 
assumptions of the original composition seems far-fetched to me. That 
must be what the scientists set out to prove.

So, maybe the gamma spectroscopist had received the October 12 date and 
only set out to prove it was reasonable. Surely if they had received 
the October 16 date, they would have allowed it as consistent as well - 
after all, over 
99.7% of the 22Na would still be there (did I do that 
right?), and this is dwarfed by the experimental error.

As Jim mentioned I think a real witness needs to speak up ... the 
press, as reported by Svend Buhl, has October 16 as the fall date. So 
at the moment, it would seem the press is preferable to insignificant 
digits being extended...

Best wishes,
Doug








-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Marmet <p.marmet at sunrise.ch>
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 11, 2009 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th



Hello Thomas,

Cosmogenic radionuclides:
(P. Weber, PPGUN) Gamma-spectroscopy performed in December-January
2006 showed the presence of the following radionuclides: 48V, 46Sc,
56Co, 54Mn, 58Co, 7Be, 51Cr, 57Co, 22Na, 26Al and 60Co.

Recalculated to 12 October 2006 22Na was 38.0?2.2 and 26Al 31.5?2.1
(both dpm/kg), the activity ratio of 1.21 is fully consistent with a
fall on that date.

More info here: http://kuerzer.de/1u0Y557jF

Cheers,
Peter








2009/10/11 Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com>:
> Jim and List,
> The bulletin shows a discrepancy concerning the fall date. ?In the 
data table
it gives October 12, 2006 but in the writeup it is October 16. ?I 
belive I was
the first to offer any on ebay and at that time I gave the fall date as 
Oct. 12
and still have that date in my
 database. ?However, perhaps a corrected 
date was
offered later.
> Can someone give us confirmation of the actual date that it fell?
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
>> To: "Meteorite Central" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 10:29 AM
>>
>>
>> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=44876
>>
>> Jim Strope
>> 421 Fourth Street
>> Glen Dale, WV ?26038
>>
>> http://www.catchafallingstar.com/
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
>
>
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From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Sun Oct 11 17:37:21 2009
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:37:21 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
In-Reply-To: <8CC18D1125731B4-307C-E2C2@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1775213677.5081591255271347352.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<853014.8748.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<871799a20910111328o3391d87ax7dc2c8ff070876e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CC18D1125731B4-307C-E2C2@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <871799a20910111437v75e9d6bem26cae37aa6512e16@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Doug

the analysis was done by P. Weber, PPGUN.

The results are from the Meteoritical Bulletin Database.

In the Meteoritical Bulletin Database the fall date is still Oct. 16 -
so officially it's Oct. 16, isn't it!

I only found a hint why some sources mention Oct. 12 for the fall date!

Cheers, Peter





2009/10/11 Mexicodoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>:
> Hi List, Peter,
>
> Could you give a little more detail, as 22Na has a half life of about 950
> days and the experimental uncertainty of that particular measurement
> apparently used to calculate the ratio was 11.6%, not to mention worse
> uncertainties with the 26Al. It says the measurement was between December
> and January of 2006.
>
> So for starters, did they measure the meteorite 9 months before it fell?
> OK, so maybe it is a typo in the link you gave (source or on line
> Meteoritical Bulletin, but the same January 2006 date is currently on
> Svend?s website) and say they are both typos which may or may not say
> something about precision: and should read January 2007.
>
> If we assume the measurements were taken about 75 days after the fall and we
> throw around a ten percent order of magnitude as the possible measurement
> error, would not the difference of 4 days (October 12 vs. Oct. 16) be
> totally lost in the error?
>
> It is more likely the measurements were just to prove it was a fresh fall,
> but the ability to distinguish four days based on a bunch of assumptions of
> the original composition seems far-fetched to me. That must be what the
> scientists set out to prove.
>
> So, maybe the gamma spectroscopist had received the October 12 date and only
> set out to prove it was reasonable. Surely if they had received the October
> 16 date, they would have allowed it as consistent as well - after all, over
> 99.7% of the 22Na would still be there (did I do that right?), and this is
> dwarfed by the experimental error.
>
> As Jim mentioned I think a real witness needs to speak up ... the press, as
> reported by Svend Buhl, has October 16 as the fall date. So at the moment,
> it would seem the press is preferable to insignificant digits being
> extended...
>
> Best wishes,
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Marmet <p.marmet at sunrise.ch>
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Sun, Oct 11, 2009 3:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
>
>
>
> Hello Thomas,
>
> Cosmogenic radionuclides:
> (P. Weber, PPGUN) Gamma-spectroscopy performed in December-January
> 2006 showed the presence of the following radionuclides: 48V, 46Sc,
> 56Co, 54Mn, 58Co, 7Be, 51Cr, 57Co, 22Na, 26Al and 60Co.
>
> Recalculated to 12 October 2006 22Na was 38.0?2.2 and 26Al 31.5?2.1
> (both dpm/kg), the activity ratio of 1.21 is fully consistent with a
> fall on that date.
>
> More info here: http://kuerzer.de/1u0Y557jF
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/10/11 Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com>:
>>
>> Jim and List,
>> The bulletin shows a discrepancy concerning the fall date. ?In the
>
> data table
> it gives October 12, 2006 but in the writeup it is October 16. ?I belive I
> was
> the first to offer any on ebay and at that time I gave the fall date as Oct.
> 12
> and still have that date in my
> database. ?However, perhaps a corrected date was
> offered later.
>>
>> Can someone give us confirmation of the actual date that it fell?
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>>
>> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
>>> To: "Meteorite Central" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 10:29 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=44876
>>>
>>> Jim Strope
>>> 421 Fourth Street
>>> Glen Dale, WV ?26038
>>>
>>> http://www.catchafallingstar.com/
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
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>


From majbaermann at web.de  Sun Oct 11 17:08:53 2009
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?utf-8?Q?Matthias_B=C3=A4rmann?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:08:53 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
References: <1519130028.5156971255294020109.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <34C97572D2074DCE9B6D0626530DFBA2@thinkcentre>

Happy birthday, Jim,

et voil?:

http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/Bassikounou_meteorite_1.htm
(5 pages)

Best regards,

Matthias

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Strope" <nwa482 at comcast.net>
To: "Thomas Webb" <webbth1 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th


>I bought several KG in the beginning and always did hear that it was OCT 
>16th even though there was discussion about this early on.  I believe Oct 
>16 was verified but I do not remember by who.
>
> Jim Strope
> 421 Fourth Street
> Glen Dale, WV  26038
>
> http://www.catchafallingstar.com/
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thomas Webb" <webbth1 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Jim Strope" <nwa482 at comcast.net>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:14:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
>
> Jim and List,
> The bulletin shows a discrepancy concerning the fall date. In the data 
> table it gives October 12, 2006 but in the writeup it is October 16. I 
> belive I was the first to offer any on ebay and at that time I gave the 
> fall date as Oct. 12 and still have that date in my database. However, 
> perhaps a corrected date was offered later.
> Can someone give us confirmation of the actual date that it fell?
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
>> To: "Meteorite Central" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 10:29 AM
>>
>>
>> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=44876
>>
>> Jim Strope
>> 421 Fourth Street
>> Glen Dale, WV 26038
>>
>> http://www.catchafallingstar.com/
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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From webbth1 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 17:56:55 2009
From: webbth1 at yahoo.com (Thomas Webb)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:56:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re:  Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
Message-ID: <116912.6858.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
> To: "Peter Marmet" <p.marmet at sunrise.ch>
> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 5:55 PM
> Peter,
> I thought your first reply to my question was confirming
> Oct. 12 as the fall date. ??(email below)
> Thomas
> 
> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Peter Marmet <p.marmet at sunrise.ch>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Peter Marmet <p.marmet at sunrise.ch>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER
> 16th
> > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 5:37 PM
> > Hi Doug
> > 
> > the analysis was done by P. Weber, PPGUN.
> > 
> > The results are from the Meteoritical Bulletin
> Database.
> > 
> > In the Meteoritical Bulletin Database the fall date
> is
> > still Oct. 16 -
> > so officially it's Oct. 16, isn't it!
> > 
> > I only found a hint why some sources mention Oct. 12
> for
> > the fall date!
> > 
> > Cheers, Peter
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 2009/10/11 Mexicodoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>:
> > > Hi List, Peter,
> > >
> > > Could you give a little more detail, as 22Na has
> a
> > half life of about 950
> > > days and the experimental uncertainty of that
> > particular measurement
> > > apparently used to calculate the ratio was 11.6%,
> not
> > to mention worse
> > > uncertainties with the 26Al. It says the
> measurement
> > was between December
> > > and January of 2006.
> > >
> > > So for starters, did they measure the meteorite
> 9
> > months before it fell?
> > > OK, so maybe it is a typo in the link you gave
> (source
> > or on line
> > > Meteoritical Bulletin, but the same January 2006
> date
> > is currently on
> > > Svend?s website) and say they are both typos
> which
> > may or may not say
> > > something about precision: and should read
> January
> > 2007.
> > >
> > > If we assume the measurements were taken about 75
> days
> > after the fall and we
> > > throw around a ten percent order of magnitude as
> the
> > possible measurement
> > > error, would not the difference of 4 days
> (October 12
> > vs. Oct. 16) be
> > > totally lost in the error?
> > >
> > > It is more likely the measurements were just to
> prove
> > it was a fresh fall,
> > > but the ability to distinguish four days based on
> a
> > bunch of assumptions of
> > > the original composition seems far-fetched to me.
> That
> > must be what the
> > > scientists set out to prove.
> > >
> > > So, maybe the gamma spectroscopist had received
> the
> > October 12 date and only
> > > set out to prove it was reasonable. Surely if
> they had
> > received the October
> > > 16 date, they would have allowed it as consistent
> as
> > well - after all, over
> > > 99.7% of the 22Na would still be there (did I do
> that
> > right?), and this is
> > > dwarfed by the experimental error.
> > >
> > > As Jim mentioned I think a real witness needs to
> speak
> > up ... the press, as
> > > reported by Svend Buhl, has October 16 as the
> fall
> > date. So at the moment,
> > > it would seem the press is preferable to
> insignificant
> > digits being
> > > extended...
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Doug
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Peter Marmet <p.marmet at sunrise.ch>
> > > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > Sent: Sun, Oct 11, 2009 3:28 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou
> OCTOBER
> > 16th
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Thomas,
> > >
> > > Cosmogenic radionuclides:
> > > (P. Weber, PPGUN) Gamma-spectroscopy performed
> in
> > December-January
> > > 2006 showed the presence of the following
> > radionuclides: 48V, 46Sc,
> > > 56Co, 54Mn, 58Co, 7Be, 51Cr, 57Co, 22Na, 26Al
> and
> > 60Co.
> > >
> > > Recalculated to 12 October 2006 22Na was
> 38.0?2.2 and
> > 26Al 31.5?2.1
> > > (both dpm/kg), the activity ratio of 1.21 is
> fully
> > consistent with a
> > > fall on that date.
> > >
> > > More info here: http://kuerzer.de/1u0Y557jF
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2009/10/11 Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com>:
> > >>
> > >> Jim and List,
> > >> The bulletin shows a discrepancy concerning
> the
> > fall date. ?In the
> > >
> > > data table
> > > it gives October 12, 2006 but in the writeup it
> is
> > October 16. ?I belive I
> > > was
> > > the first to offer any on ebay and at that time I
> gave
> > the fall date as Oct.
> > > 12
> > > and still have that date in my
> > > database. ?However, perhaps a corrected date
> was
> > > offered later.
> > >>
> > >> Can someone give us confirmation of the
> actual
> > date that it fell?
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Thomas
> > >>
> > >> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> From: Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net>
> > >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou
> OCTOBER
> > 16th
> > >>> To: "Meteorite Central" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > >>> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 10:29 AM
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=44876
> > >>>
> > >>> Jim Strope
> > >>> 421 Fourth Street
> > >>> Glen Dale, WV ?26038
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.catchafallingstar.com/
> > >>>
> > ______________________________________________
> > >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list
> > >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> ______________________________________________
> > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > >>
> > > ______________________________________________
> > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > >
> > >
> > ______________________________________________
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> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 


      


From bolidechaser at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 17:56:55 2009
From: bolidechaser at yahoo.com (Robert Verish)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:56:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Los Angeles - Diabasic Shergottite (definitely an
	AD this time)
Message-ID: <315188.12671.qm@web51712.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

For your weekend viewing pleasure,

Here are some close-up images of a thinly-cut part-slice of my Mars rock, Los Angeles:? 
So thin-cut that this 0.5g part-slice results in 15 sq mm surface area!

This is the last specimen remaining that is cut this thin.  Only was cut this thin because the researchers were very specific about the dimensions of the sample they requested.  I couldn't believe the cut-loss on a sample this thin.  :-(   

Before placing this specimen on eBay, making it available now to the List - to whoever makes the "best offer"!

If you wait to see it appear on eBay, expect the starting bid to be at the recent going price for LA of $1000/gram.
Don't be shy.  You may get lucky and your low-ball offer may be the only one made.  Please, save me the trouble of having to place this on eBay.

This is NOT a saw-cutting fragment!  This is a trimmed-off slice.  Originally, it was contiguous to the slice now being used in a lab study.

All of the images below are of this same "0.5 gram thin part-slice":

<http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/saw-cuttings/2009/LA0_5diabasic24.jpg>
<http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/saw-cuttings/2009/LA0_5thin24.jpg>
<http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/saw-cuttings/2009/LA0_5opp46.jpg>
<http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/saw-cuttings/2009/LA0_5cthru21.jpg>
<http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/saw-cuttings/2009/LA0_5cthru18.jpg>

Hope you enjoy viewing these images.
Have a good weekend,
Bob V.


---------- Original Message ----------
[meteorite-list] AD (sort of): Los Angeles - Diabasic Shergottite
Robert Verish bolidechaser at yahoo.com
Fri Sep 11 18:18:12 EDT 

More of a heads-up here:

Going to cut some specimens from my LA mars rocks for some researchers.
If you have been waiting for the next piece of Los Angeles to come onto the market, NOW is the time to contact me, while they are still in the saw-vise.
Don't know when I'll be cutting samples again.
So, contact me off-List with your size/shape weight/cost requirements.

Bob V.

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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 18:20:22 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:20:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] los angeles meteorite
Message-ID: <688000.42141.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi all.I have to agree with bob on his los angeles meteorite.I bought a 0.4 gram part slice and it has alot of surface area.Bob is very generous and I thank you for letting me add my 2nd martain to my collection.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 


From mexicodoug at aim.com  Sun Oct 11 19:03:32 2009
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:03:32 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
In-Reply-To: <871799a20910111437v75e9d6bem26cae37aa6512e16@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1775213677.5081591255271347352.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><853014.8748.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com><871799a20910111328o3391d87ax7dc2c8ff070876e2@mail.gmail.com><8CC18D1125731B4-307C-E2C2@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com>
	<871799a20910111437v75e9d6bem26cae37aa6512e16@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CC18DE3019454C-307C-F020@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Peter,

While the fall is officially listed as October 16 in the database, the 
only thing you posted and which I responded to was:

"Recalculated to 12 October 2006 22Na was 38.0?2.2 and 26Al 31.5?2.1 
(both dpm/kg), the activity ratio of 1.21 is fully consistent with a 
fall on that date."

Of couse the 16th is in the online Met Bulletin as the official fall 
date, and it seemed you thought the date was the 12th by posting the 
above. Most definitely, though the Meteoritical bulletin database is 
only as good as the information that it receives. And most definitely I 
agree with you now that you say you were only referencing the fall date 
in the link, rather than the Oct 12 info you posted to the list.

The question I answered which is interesting, to me at least, was 
whether something as short as 4 days difference could be determined 
scientifically by the radionuclides mentioned. The answer in this case 
was most certainly: No. Something that could be nice to know ...

It might be a good idea that the online database clears up the apparent 
inconsistency a little better regarding the October 12 date it lists in 
relation to the gamma measurements. Also the clear error that it states 
that the measurements were taken in December - January 2006 should be 
updated to January 2007, if in fact that is the date. It would seem 
they received that typo from Svend whose website says the same=2
0thing at 
the moment, on page 5 of his superb article when discussing the support 
between the two different fall dates (4 days apart):

http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/Bassikounou_Meteorite_5.htm

Typographically yours
Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Marmet <p.marmet at sunrise.ch>
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 11, 2009 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th



Hi Doug

the analysis was done by P. Weber, PPGUN.

The results are from the Meteoritical Bulletin Database.

In the Meteoritical Bulletin Database the fall date is still Oct. 16 -
so officially it's Oct. 16, isn't it!

I only found a hint why some sources mention Oct. 12 for the fall date!

Cheers, Peter





2009/10/11 Mexicodoug <mexicodoug at aim.com>:
> Hi List, Peter,
>
> Could you give a little more detail, as 22Na has a half life of about 
950
> days and the experimental uncertainty of that particular measurement
> apparently used to calculate the ratio was 11.6%, not to mention worse
> uncertainties with the 26Al. It says the measurement was between 
December
> and January of 2006.
>
> So for starters, did they measure the meteorite 9 months before it 
fell?
> OK, so maybe it is a typo in the link you gave (source or on line
> Meteoritical Bulletin, but the same January 2006 date is currently on
> Svend?s website) and say they are both typos which may o
r may not say
> something about precision: and should read January 2007.
>
> If we assume the measurements were taken about 75 days after the fall 
and we
> throw around a ten percent order of magnitude as the possible 
measurement
> error, would not the difference of 4 days (October 12 vs. Oct. 16) be
> totally lost in the error?
>
> It is more likely the measurements were just to prove it was a fresh 
fall,
> but the ability to distinguish four days based on a bunch of 
assumptions of
> the original composition seems far-fetched to me. That must be what 
the
> scientists set out to prove.
>
> So, maybe the gamma spectroscopist had received the October 12 date 
and only
> set out to prove it was reasonable. Surely if they had received the 
October
> 16 date, they would have allowed it as consistent as well - after 
all, over
> 99.7% of the 22Na would still be there (did I do that right?), and 
this is
> dwarfed by the experimental error.
>
> As Jim mentioned I think a real witness needs to speak up ... the 
press, as
> reported by Svend Buhl, has October 16 as the fall date. So at the 
moment,
> it would seem the press is preferable to insignificant digits being
> extended...
>
> Best wishes,
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Marmet <p.marmet at sunrise.ch>
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Sun,20Oct 11, 2009 3:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
>
>
>
> Hello Thomas,
>
> Cosmogenic radionuclides:
> (P. Weber, PPGUN) Gamma-spectroscopy performed in December-January
> 2006 showed the presence of the following radionuclides: 48V, 46Sc,
> 56Co, 54Mn, 58Co, 7Be, 51Cr, 57Co, 22Na, 26Al and 60Co.
>
> Recalculated to 12 October 2006 22Na was 38.0?2.2 and 26Al 31.5?2.1
> (both dpm/kg), the activity ratio of 1.21 is fully consistent with a
> fall on that date.
>
> More info here: http://kuerzer.de/1u0Y557jF
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/10/11 Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com>:
>>
>> Jim and List,
>> The bulletin shows a discrepancy concerning the fall date. ?In the
>
> data table
> it gives October 12, 2006 but in the writeup it is October 16. ?I 
belive I
> was
> the first to offer any on ebay and at that time I gave the fall date 
as Oct.
> 12
> and still have that date in my
> database. ?However, perhaps a corrected date was
> offered later.
>>
>> Can someone give us confirmation of the actual date that it fell?
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>>
>> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Jim Strope <nwa482 at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
>>> To: "Meteorite Central" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 10:29 AM
>>>
0A>>>
>>> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=44876
>>>
>>> Jim Strope
>>> 421 Fourth Street
>>> Glen Dale, WV ?26038
>>>
>>> http://www.catchafallingstar.com/
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From mlblood at cox.net  Sun Oct 11 19:20:25 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:20:25 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION (ad)
In-Reply-To: <8CC18DE3019454C-307C-F020@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C6F7B649.8156%mlblood@cox.net>

The On Line Tucson Meteorite Auction will soon be "up."
        Those who would like to enter items need to email me
JPGs and descriptions forthwith.
        Some really nice specimens are already "in" and "Rusty"
Bill Mason is offering 2 Meteorite Corrosion Protection Kitts
as door prizes. 
        Twink Monrad is bringing her famous Gold Basin Birthday
Cake with foil wrapped Gold Basin meteorites cooked in for the
lucky winners and to add to the flavor.
        In addition, a special speaker is being arranged for the 6 PM
to 7 PM slot. 
        Time to get those JPGs in for maximum advertizing exposure.
I am drooling over stuff that has already come in.
        I will be announcing the URL for the on line catalog  eminently.
The auction will be in the VFW Hall on Beverley where it has been
Held 6 of the last 8 times (including last year).
        The 10% commission for entries will be increasing shortly, so,
Get those goodies in soon.
        Anyone with questions, please feel free to ask me off line.
        Best wishes, Michael




From mikewren at gilanet.com  Sun Oct 11 19:35:51 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:35:51 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Once In Century Offering - Witnessed Fall
	Display w/ 600+ of Individuals !
Message-ID: <5894869C-6006-4525-A155-97AD1C4A6ED7@gilanet.com>

Hello,

Best Offers Considered - NOT A GIVE AWAY ....


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200393520073


Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham


From rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com  Sun Oct 11 19:35:28 2009
From: rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com (Rob Wesel)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:35:28 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Actions ending over the next hour - No reserve
Message-ID: <CB79E37113EA47389640C904A086883D@windows9bb74fe>

Hello all

Still some deals to be had, all no-reserve auctions

Only 1 NWA .. all the rest are named meteorites

http://shop.ebay.com/nakhladog/m.html

Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/nakhladog
------------------
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971




From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 11 21:08:27 2009
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:08:27 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Once In Century Offering
Message-ID: <SNT102-W19C6490824ED6B48BA6063A2C80@phx.gbl>


We should be so lucky. 		 	   		  
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Sun Oct 11 21:54:22 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:54:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Smash Produces Surprises, Disappointment
Message-ID: <200910120154.n9C1sM3r007327@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.spaceflightnow.com/lcross/091009impact/

Lunar smash produces surprise, disappointment
BY STEPHEN CLARK 
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
October 9, 2009

A $79 million mission struck a lunar bullseye early Friday and collected
a wealth of data to guide scientists seeking water on the moon, but the
impact was a dud for observers hoping to catch a glimpse of space
fireworks.

"We have the data we need to actually address the questions we set out
to address, and that's the bottom line," said Tony Colaprete, the
principal investigator for the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing
Satellite, or LCROSS.

But after an ambitious campaign to engage the public in what was
advertised as a visually observable event, the mission's Centaur rocket
impactor crashed into the moon with barely a flicker of light at 1131
GMT (7:31 a.m. EDT) Friday.

Colaprete said he was expecting surprises from the impact because it
occurred in an unexplored corner of the moon littered with unknowns.

"You just never know how these things are going to go," Colaprete said.

The LCROSS mothership, trailing the Centaur by less than 400 miles,
detected a brief flash in thermal imagery at the time of impact. A few
minutes later, LCROSS cameras captured a fleeting view of the small
crater left behind by the high-speed collision.

The mission ended at 1135 GMT (7:35 a.m. EDT) after four minutes of
intense data collection as the LCROSS observing satellite plummeted to
its own demise.

"I was blown away by how long this little spacecraft lasted. It's going
to be fun to see how close we were to the surface when we lost contact
with the poor guy," Colaprete said.

During a conference call with reporters before the encounter, Colaprete
muted soaring expectations but said well-informed and well-equipped
ground observers could likely see some visual evidence of the impact.

It turns out no telescope, even the giant Keck and Gemini observatories
in Hawaii, saw obvious signs of the impact in visual and infrared imagery.

"Impacting into the moon is an unpredictable business at best,"
Colaprete said.

The Centaur hit the moon inside a 60-mile-wide crater, called Cabeus,
believed to harbor elevated concentrations of hydrogen based on findings
of previous and ongoing lunar missions.

The lack of spectacular pictures of the impact may disappoint the
public, but it does not deter from the main goal of the mission.

"Our primary objective is what is that hydrogen? Honestly, the images
don't answer that question. The spectroscopy answers that question,"
Colaprete said.

Spectral data was the real driver behind the mission, and early results
there are promising, officials said.

"That, by itself, may constitute enough information to answer some
fundamental questions," Colaprete said.

Three spectrometers aboard LCROSS captured a breadth of information, but
scientists are not sure if it is a direct measurement of an ejecta
cloud, vapors, or surface material.

The spectrometers are designed to detect the chemical signatures of
minerals illuminated by light. Scientists are most interested in the
spectral fingerprint of water or other hydrogen-bearing compounds.

Scientists presented preliminary raw graphs of the spectral data during
a press conference Friday morning, but warned it would take days before
they knew what they were seeing.

Spectral information from LCROSS is backed up by comprehensive
measurements taken from ground observatories and the Hubble Space
Telescope.

Researchers are not ready to give up on the images yet, either. Although
the video showed no easily-distinguishable cloud of dust, the science
team will augment the video to get views with more clarity.

"We need to go and carefully look at the images and see what's in them,"
Colaprete said. "Certainly, what's streamed out to the video is not at
the same fidelity as what we get fresh off the spacecraft.

It could be two months before Colaprete's team is ready to make a
definitive announcement on what LCROSS found.

"We have images, we have video, we have graphs with squiggly lines,
which scientists love," said Jennifer Heldmann, coordinator of the
LCROSS observation campaign.

Although officials could not say with certainty if LCROSS actually
detected a hard-to-see cloud of dust and vapor, some doubt was dispelled
later Friday with news that the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter
independently verified the existence of such a plume.

LRO is circling the moon in a 31-mile-high orbit with a suite of more
powerful instruments than LCROSS.

The orbiter's LAMP ultraviolet spectrometer confirmed the detection of
an ejecta plume shortly after the impact, according to Craig Tooley,
LRO's project manager.

The Diviner imaging radiometer also spotted the impact crater from LCROSS.

Scientists now know some dust was excavated and kicked up by the impact,
but questions remain regarding why the material was not as visible as
expected.

Colaprete said this could be due to an impact on sloping terrain or the
Centaur striking a rocky area inside Cabeus, limiting the upward
movement of lunar soil upheaved by the strike.

Scientists maintain the sum total of the data is enough to fulfill the
mission's lofty objectives.

"You've been drinking from the fire hose. There is an enormous amount of
data that we've gotten today, not just from LCROSS but from assets
around the world," said Mike Wargo, chief lunar scientist at NASA
Headquarters.



From moutinho at bol.com.br  Sun Oct 11 23:22:16 2009
From: moutinho at bol.com.br (=?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_Moutinho?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:22:16 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades
Message-ID: <4ad2a0e89fc2b_55049ebbeb04df@winter22.tmail>

Hello, there anyone here that belongs to a museum in Southern America (Argentina, Peru, Brazil, etc) that may be interest in trades?

Regards,

Andr? 
IMCA #2731
http://moutinho.astrodatabase.net


From moutinho at bol.com.br  Sun Oct 11 23:26:52 2009
From: moutinho at bol.com.br (=?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_Moutinho?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:26:52 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] GPS advice for meteorite hunting
In-Reply-To: <4ad29fa11aab6_4acd2e926ac874@winter22.tmail>
References: <4ad29fa11aab6_4acd2e926ac874@winter22.tmail>
Message-ID: <4ad2a1fc3ae44_4bf0c62beb4919@winter22.tmail>

Hello all, what is a good gps handheld tbat is good for meteorite hunting?

Thanks
Andre Moutinho
http://moutinho.astrodatabase.net


From moutinho at bol.com.br  Sun Oct 11 23:16:49 2009
From: moutinho at bol.com.br (=?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_Moutinho?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:16:49 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Good GPS for meteorite hunting
Message-ID: <4ad29fa11aab6_4acd2e926ac874@winter22.tmail>

Hello all, what is a good gps handheld tbat is good for meteorite hunting?

Thanks
Andre Moutinho
http://moutinho.astrodatabase.net


From majbaermann at web.de  Mon Oct 12 05:17:46 2009
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:17:46 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou birthday October 12
References: <927050.95119.qm@web45401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <237C920F4AFE405BA25ADC066E73B3CD@thinkcentre>

Happy birthday, Aziz - and what a wonderful Bassi stone!

Matthias

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Abdelaziz Alhyane" <abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:32 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou birthday October 12


> Hello List,
> Happy birthday bassikounou and I think Jim strope has the same.
> http://spacerocksinc.com/May_11_2007.html
> My best
> Aziz
> 
> 
>      
> 
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From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Mon Oct 12 06:33:52 2009
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (info at niger-meteorite-recon.de)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:33:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd:  Fw: Re:  Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
Message-ID: <1061511110.75877.1255343633020.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxltgw14.schlund.de>


Mexicodoug wrote:

> Also the clear error that it states that
> the measurements were taken in December - January 2006 should be updated to
> January 2007, if in fact that is the date. It would seem they received that
> typo from Svend whose website says the same=2 0thing at the moment, on page
> 5 of his superb article when discussing the support between the two
> different fall dates (4 days apart):
?
This is not the case. In my report I simply quoted the information received
through the classifying institute. Of course the lab submitted their data
directly to the editors in charge and not through me. So concerning this point
the Bulletin and my report share the same sources but do not depend on each
other.As you?may see,?the passage in question was set in quotation marks in my
article because I quoted the author's words. I also named the author to make it
clear that I am not the originator of the dates given for the measurements.
? The text says "December-January 2006" and I totally agree with you it should
better read "December-January 2006[-2007]", however, "December 2006" for the
time of the radionuclide measurements makes perfect sense to me.
?
As far as the fall date is concerned, that indeed is a tricky question. This is
what I can contribute:
?
For the very first find of Bassikounou that became public, the 3 kg El Moichine
mass, October 12 was reported by the owner of that mass. However this particular
meteorite had already changed hands several times and so?had the information
assigned to it. To my knowledge this particular date, October 12, was then
forwarded to the classifying institute together with the classification sample
by the owner of that mass. A process I was not involved in.
?
When?Matthias and I started our research we had not much more to rely on but
this date and the information from the owner of the first mass. It was not even
known by that time that Bassikounou was a multiple fall. That is why we used the
October 12 date in the early correspondence on the fall too. However in the
course of our work it turned out that most eye witnesses as well as the local
media reports?gave of October 16 as the fall date. Accordingly we corrected the
date in our papers and subsequently in the online version of our report. We also
forwarded these findings together with the article in Horizons to the
researchers in charge.
?
Public and private research has chronologically overlapped in the case of the
publication of the Bassikounou fall in the Meteoritical Bulletin. Thus it is
regrettable and at the same time totally comprehensible that a variation occurs.
I am convinced that the issue will be thorroughly cleared by the author's of the
submission text once they are noticed of the discrepancy by the editor in
charge.
?
Contrary to any peer- and committee-reviewed system a private online editor has
the invaluable vantage that he is able to react quite promptly to emerging new
facts. Besides my own website describes just a hand full of falls which makes it
quite easy to keep track of new evidence. And because I am just a one man show
not even all of the corrections kindly forwarded to me make it online in time.
The Meteoritical Bulletin data base however deals with ten thousand entries
which are constantly reviewed under very high standard. An incredible ammount of
time and effort is put into?it by the editors to maintain these
standards.?The?Bulletin's data base has achieved a quality that is hardly
matched by any other public access databases in comparable fields. One has to
admit this before pointing to "obvious" errors.
?
Best regards
?
Svend
?
?
?
?
?
?
?


From magbish3 at lowcountry.com  Mon Oct 12 07:32:20 2009
From: magbish3 at lowcountry.com (Mal Bishop)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:32:20 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT for Mal
In-Reply-To: <005901ca49d1$fe343fb0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
References: <005901ca49d1$fe343fb0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <4AD313C4.4030102@lowcountry.com>


Sorry, folks, but I'm just trying to communicate with Martin since we're
apparently having some sort of email communication problems.

Martin, did you receive my email from Saturday via my Yahoo email account?

Mal

On 10/10/2009 1:49 PM, Martin Altmann wrote:
> Your lowcountry-address still hates me - please send me a message from your
> other account!
>
> Martin
>
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 09:11:26 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:11:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] nwa 001 to nwa 200
Message-ID: <114945.45105.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list,Does anyone have any of the following nwa series to sell? NWA 001 TO NWA 200? I am looking to buy a few in the coming weeks.I will return emails after 7 pm cst chicago time.Please off list.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 


From webbth1 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 09:26:44 2009
From: webbth1 at yahoo.com (Thomas Webb)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re:  Fwd:  Fw: Re:  Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
Message-ID: <254001.61172.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd:  Fw: Re:  Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
> To: "info at niger-meteorite-recon.de" <info at niger-meteorite-recon.de>
> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 9:25 AM
> Svend and List,
> So to my original question of which date is correct for the
> fall, we still do not have a definitive answer.
> Does anyone else want to offer any information?
> Thanks,
> Thomas H. Webb
> 
> --- On Mon, 10/12/09, info at niger-meteorite-recon.de
> <info at niger-meteorite-recon.de>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de
> <info at niger-meteorite-recon.de>
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd:? Fw: Re:?
> Bassikounou OCTOBER 16th
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:33 AM
> > 
> > Mexicodoug wrote:
> > 
> > > Also the clear error that it states that
> > > the measurements were taken in December - January
> 2006
> > should be updated to
> > > January 2007, if in fact that is the date. It
> would
> > seem they received that
> > > typo from Svend whose website says the same=2
> 0thing
> > at the moment, on page
> > > 5 of his superb article when discussing the
> support
> > between the two
> > > different fall dates (4 days apart):
> > ?
> > This is not the case. In my report I simply quoted
> the
> > information received
> > through the classifying institute. Of course the lab
> > submitted their data
> > directly to the editors in charge and not through me.
> So
> > concerning this point
> > the Bulletin and my report share the same sources but
> do
> > not depend on each
> > other.As you?may see,?the passage in question was
> set in
> > quotation marks in my
> > article because I quoted the author's words. I also
> named
> > the author to make it
> > clear that I am not the originator of the dates given
> for
> > the measurements.
> > ? The text says "December-January 2006" and I
> totally
> > agree with you it should
> > better read "December-January 2006[-2007]", however,
> > "December 2006" for the
> > time of the radionuclide measurements makes perfect
> sense
> > to me.
> > ?
> > As far as the fall date is concerned, that indeed is
> a
> > tricky question. This is
> > what I can contribute:
> > ?
> > For the very first find of Bassikounou that became
> public,
> > the 3 kg El Moichine
> > mass, October 12 was reported by the owner of that
> mass.
> > However this particular
> > meteorite had already changed hands several times and
> > so?had the information
> > assigned to it. To my knowledge this particular date,
> > October 12, was then
> > forwarded to the classifying institute together with
> the
> > classification sample
> > by the owner of that mass. A process I was not
> involved
> > in.
> > ?
> > When?Matthias and I started our research we had not
> much
> > more to rely on but
> > this date and the information from the owner of the
> first
> > mass. It was not even
> > known by that time that Bassikounou was a multiple
> fall.
> > That is why we used the
> > October 12 date in the early correspondence on the
> fall
> > too. However in the
> > course of our work it turned out that most eye
> witnesses as
> > well as the local
> > media reports?gave of October 16 as the fall date.
> > Accordingly we corrected the
> > date in our papers and subsequently in the online
> version
> > of our report. We also
> > forwarded these findings together with the article in
> > Horizons to the
> > researchers in charge.
> > ?
> > Public and private research has chronologically
> overlapped
> > in the case of the
> > publication of the Bassikounou fall in the
> Meteoritical
> > Bulletin. Thus it is
> > regrettable and at the same time totally
> comprehensible
> > that a variation occurs.
> > I am convinced that the issue will be thorroughly
> cleared
> > by the author's of the
> > submission text once they are noticed of the
> discrepancy by
> > the editor in
> > charge.
> > ?
> > Contrary to any peer- and committee-reviewed system a
> > private online editor has
> > the invaluable vantage that he is able to react quite
> > promptly to emerging new
> > facts. Besides my own website describes just a hand
> full of
> > falls which makes it
> > quite easy to keep track of new evidence. And because
> I am
> > just a one man show
> > not even all of the corrections kindly forwarded to me
> make
> > it online in time.
> > The Meteoritical Bulletin data base however deals with
> ten
> > thousand entries
> > which are constantly reviewed under very high
> standard. An
> > incredible ammount of
> > time and effort is put into?it by the editors to
> maintain
> > these
> > standards.?The?Bulletin's data base has achieved a
> > quality that is hardly
> > matched by any other public access databases in
> comparable
> > fields. One has to
> > admit this before pointing to "obvious" errors.
> > ?
> > Best regards
> > ?
> > Svend
> > ?
> > ?
> > ?
> > ?
> > ?
> > ?
> > ?
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> 
> 
> 
> 


      


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 09:51:02 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:51:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Columbus Day sale - Eucrite Thin Sections $50
	each
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From fcressy at prodigy.net  Mon Oct 12 11:36:13 2009
From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:36:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] nwa 001 to nwa 200
In-Reply-To: <114945.45105.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <114945.45105.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <529749.55506.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Steve and all that might be interested,

If you have plans to collecting this series, it will be very difficult as several of the numbers are provisional.? I for one have a stone that has one of these numbers assigned to it but it has never been classified.

Good luck with your quest.

Cheers,

Frank




________________________________
From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:11:26 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] nwa 001 to nwa 200

Hi list,Does anyone have any of the following nwa series to sell? NWA 001 TO NWA 200? I am looking to buy a few in the coming weeks.I will return emails after 7 pm cst chicago time.Please off list.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct 12 12:10:55 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Opportunity Rover Finds Yet Another Meteorite on
	Mars
Message-ID: <200910121610.n9CGAtX1016803@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0910/11meteorite/

Opportunity rover finds yet another Mars meteorite
BY CRAIG COVAULT
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
October 11, 2009

In a remarkable discovery 126 million miles from Earth, the Mars rover
Opportunity has found a second large iron meteorite sitting just a half
mile from its twin sibling where they both landed on Mars within seconds
of each other 3 billion years ago.

The new "Sheltered Rock" meteorite discovered by Opportunity Oct. 2,
lies only 2,300 feet away from the "Block Island" meteorite that the
rover discovered in July and examined for six weeks.

Designated "Sheltered Rock" by the rover team, the new meteorite almost
certainly came from the same body as Block Island that was discovered
July 18. They both laid undisturbed at the same spot until Opportunity
stumbled across them while driving west across the Meridiani plain.

Sheltered Rock is about 18.5 inches long compared with about two feet
for Block Island. Each weighs several hundred pounds and are quite
similar to each other.

Analysis indicates both fell about 3 billion years ago when Mars had a
much thicker atmosphere that slowed impact velocity so the rocks did not
explode and dig craters when they hit the planet.

An inspection plan is being drawn up at Cornell University and Jet
Propulsion Laboratory to use the rover's robotic arm to place its
spectrometers and microscopic imager on Sheltered Rock for a direct
comparison with data from Block Island.

Discovery of the second body will also provide new data on both the
meteorite and early Martian atmosphere since it is likely whatever
aerodynamic forces it did encounter, resulted in separation of the pair
at a low enough altitude for both of them to hit so close together.

It is not unusual on Earth to find multiple pieces from the same
meteorite event. But on Mars with a single rover, driving in a specific
direction, it is remarkable that Opportunity encountered a second
meteorite related to the first.

The new discovery is also the third meteorite found by Opportunity since
it discovered a much smaller basketball sized meteorite lying near its
heat shield ten months after landing in January, 2004.

In addition to being smaller, that initial meteorite dubbed Heat Shield
Rock looks more rounded and polished than the more rectangular Block
Island and Sheltered Rocks. Data from all three will be compared to see
if Heat Shield rock could also be related to the original body that
spawned the more recent finds. All three fell relatively close together
with Heat Shield rock only about 11 miles away from the other two.

Opportunity had been driving west for three weeks after it left Block
Island to continue its journey toward Endeavour crater, still more than
a years drive time away to the south. The jog west was to avoid
dangerous terrain. Images taken on about sol (Martian day) 2,020 of its
mission spotted something unusual ahead. On sol 2,022 Opportunity
completed a drive of 94 feet to pull up beside what turned out to be the
Sheltered Rock meteorite.

While Opportunity continues to score scientifically on its marathon
traverse to Endeavour crater, the rover Spirit on the opposite side of
Mars remain stuck in powdery volcanic material where it was halted in
early May. JPL computer runs using physical data from two test rovers in
a JPL sand box continue to asses escape techniques. But it looks
increasingly likely that Spirit's driving days are over although it's
Cornell University Athena science package will continue to return
valuable data even if it is stuck for good.

Steve Squyres rover principal investigator at Cornell has also just won
a prestigious award for communicating the rover story to the public.

For his work making NASA's Mars Exploration Rover mission a compelling
saga for millions of people, Steven W. Squyres has received the 2009
Carl Sagan Medal from the American Astronomical Society.

The Sagan medal recognizes a planetary scientist for excellence in
public communication. Squyres received the medal during the AAS's
Division for Planetary Sciences annual meeting, Oct. 4 to Oct. 9, in
Puerto Rico.

In addition to heading rover science operations Squyres is also the
Goldwin Smith Professor of Astronomy at Cornell where he was quick to
share credit with the entire Mars rover mission team there and at JPL.
Squyres said he has always taken seriously the responsibility of giving
people -- the taxpayers who have bankrolled the mission -- a clear
window into what they are doing on Mars.

"We feel very strongly that the people who pay have a real right to find
out in very clear, simple terms what they're getting for their $900
million," Squyres said.

Since January, 2004, when Spirit and Opportunity landed, the rover team
has maintained a publicly accessible database of images taken by the
spacecraft. Atypical of most NASA missions, the rover project has
allowed people to access data almost immediately. It was a conscious
decision by the rover team, Squyres said, to pipeline the data straight
to the Web. Squyres told Spaceflight Now that some senior NASA managers
were against this approach early on.

"If I'm asleep and you're awake, you can see the pictures from the rover
before I do," Squyres said. "And what that has done is it's really
enabled people to share in this voyage of exploration."

Squyres hopes these efforts, including the Web site that provides
updates of rover activities, has inspired young people to pursue careers
in science and engineering.

As a Cornell graduate student in the early 1980s Squyres began working
closely with Sagan who died in 1996. "Carl really pioneered, in a very
important way, the way in which scientists interact with the media and
the public," Squyres said. "To receive an award that's named after him
for trying to do the same sort of thing that he did so brilliantly is a
real honor."



From mpg4444 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 13:56:02 2009
From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:56:02 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Once In Century Offering
In-Reply-To: <SNT102-W19C6490824ED6B48BA6063A2C80@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT102-W19C6490824ED6B48BA6063A2C80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ad733150910121056s7f1f6f80pf45f2fe3374796d4@mail.gmail.com>

You have to be one of the most miserable people on this list
continiously gloating to everyone your bitterness. The picture you are
painting is of yourself and not Michael.


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>
> We should be so lucky.
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From astroroks at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 12 14:06:54 2009
From: astroroks at hotmail.com (Dennis Miller)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:06:54 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Opportunity Rover Finds Yet Another Meteorite
 on	Mars
In-Reply-To: <200910121610.n9CGAtX1016803@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <200910121610.n9CGAtX1016803@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <COL113-W42A015144DC5DF4E1A9D26B1C80@phx.gbl>


Great pictures!  Truly amazing!  And even more unusual, two new finds
and no photos with Mike Farmer in them..... Ha!!
Dennis
 
 
 

> From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:10:55 -0700
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Opportunity Rover Finds Yet Another Meteorite on Mars
> 
> 
> http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0910/11meteorite/
> 
> Opportunity rover finds yet another Mars meteorite
> BY CRAIG COVAULT
> SPACEFLIGHT NOW
> October 11, 2009
> 
> In a remarkable discovery 126 million miles from Earth, the Mars rover
> Opportunity has found a second large iron meteorite sitting just a half
> mile from its twin sibling where they both landed on Mars within seconds
> of each other 3 billion years ago.
> 
> The new "Sheltered Rock" meteorite discovered by Opportunity Oct. 2,
> lies only 2,300 feet away from the "Block Island" meteorite that the
> rover discovered in July and examined for six weeks.
> 
> Designated "Sheltered Rock" by the rover team, the new meteorite almost
> certainly came from the same body as Block Island that was discovered
> July 18. They both laid undisturbed at the same spot until Opportunity
> stumbled across them while driving west across the Meridiani plain.
> 
> Sheltered Rock is about 18.5 inches long compared with about two feet
> for Block Island. Each weighs several hundred pounds and are quite
> similar to each other.
> 
> Analysis indicates both fell about 3 billion years ago when Mars had a
> much thicker atmosphere that slowed impact velocity so the rocks did not
> explode and dig craters when they hit the planet.
> 
> An inspection plan is being drawn up at Cornell University and Jet
> Propulsion Laboratory to use the rover's robotic arm to place its
> spectrometers and microscopic imager on Sheltered Rock for a direct
> comparison with data from Block Island.
> 
> Discovery of the second body will also provide new data on both the
> meteorite and early Martian atmosphere since it is likely whatever
> aerodynamic forces it did encounter, resulted in separation of the pair
> at a low enough altitude for both of them to hit so close together.
> 
> It is not unusual on Earth to find multiple pieces from the same
> meteorite event. But on Mars with a single rover, driving in a specific
> direction, it is remarkable that Opportunity encountered a second
> meteorite related to the first.
> 
> The new discovery is also the third meteorite found by Opportunity since
> it discovered a much smaller basketball sized meteorite lying near its
> heat shield ten months after landing in January, 2004.
> 
> In addition to being smaller, that initial meteorite dubbed Heat Shield
> Rock looks more rounded and polished than the more rectangular Block
> Island and Sheltered Rocks. Data from all three will be compared to see
> if Heat Shield rock could also be related to the original body that
> spawned the more recent finds. All three fell relatively close together
> with Heat Shield rock only about 11 miles away from the other two.
> 
> Opportunity had been driving west for three weeks after it left Block
> Island to continue its journey toward Endeavour crater, still more than
> a years drive time away to the south. The jog west was to avoid
> dangerous terrain. Images taken on about sol (Martian day) 2,020 of its
> mission spotted something unusual ahead. On sol 2,022 Opportunity
> completed a drive of 94 feet to pull up beside what turned out to be the
> Sheltered Rock meteorite.
> 
> While Opportunity continues to score scientifically on its marathon
> traverse to Endeavour crater, the rover Spirit on the opposite side of
> Mars remain stuck in powdery volcanic material where it was halted in
> early May. JPL computer runs using physical data from two test rovers in
> a JPL sand box continue to asses escape techniques. But it looks
> increasingly likely that Spirit's driving days are over although it's
> Cornell University Athena science package will continue to return
> valuable data even if it is stuck for good.
> 
> Steve Squyres rover principal investigator at Cornell has also just won
> a prestigious award for communicating the rover story to the public.
> 
> For his work making NASA's Mars Exploration Rover mission a compelling
> saga for millions of people, Steven W. Squyres has received the 2009
> Carl Sagan Medal from the American Astronomical Society.
> 
> The Sagan medal recognizes a planetary scientist for excellence in
> public communication. Squyres received the medal during the AAS's
> Division for Planetary Sciences annual meeting, Oct. 4 to Oct. 9, in
> Puerto Rico.
> 
> In addition to heading rover science operations Squyres is also the
> Goldwin Smith Professor of Astronomy at Cornell where he was quick to
> share credit with the entire Mars rover mission team there and at JPL.
> Squyres said he has always taken seriously the responsibility of giving
> people -- the taxpayers who have bankrolled the mission -- a clear
> window into what they are doing on Mars.
> 
> "We feel very strongly that the people who pay have a real right to find
> out in very clear, simple terms what they're getting for their $900
> million," Squyres said.
> 
> Since January, 2004, when Spirit and Opportunity landed, the rover team
> has maintained a publicly accessible database of images taken by the
> spacecraft. Atypical of most NASA missions, the rover project has
> allowed people to access data almost immediately. It was a conscious
> decision by the rover team, Squyres said, to pipeline the data straight
> to the Web. Squyres told Spaceflight Now that some senior NASA managers
> were against this approach early on.
> 
> "If I'm asleep and you're awake, you can see the pictures from the rover
> before I do," Squyres said. "And what that has done is it's really
> enabled people to share in this voyage of exploration."
> 
> Squyres hopes these efforts, including the Web site that provides
> updates of rover activities, has inspired young people to pursue careers
> in science and engineering.
> 
> As a Cornell graduate student in the early 1980s Squyres began working
> closely with Sagan who died in 1996. "Carl really pioneered, in a very
> important way, the way in which scientists interact with the media and
> the public," Squyres said. "To receive an award that's named after him
> for trying to do the same sort of thing that he did so brilliantly is a
> real honor."
> 
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From lostbowyer at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 14:25:23 2009
From: lostbowyer at gmail.com (Glenn Skinner)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:25:23 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test post (my kingdom for a working plain text
	message)
Message-ID: <1255371926.23696D7D@ea32.dngr.org>

Hi all
I've been trolling the list for a couple of months before I realized 
none of my posts made it through. First I used aol which returned no 
errors but never got through, then google which has plain text format 
but it was being rejected as well.
I'm trying google through my cell phone before I try changing email 
accounts yet again to be able to use a plain text client


From lostbowyer at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 16:03:20 2009
From: lostbowyer at gmail.com (Glenn Skinner)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:03:20 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test post (my kingdom for a working plain text
	message)
In-Reply-To: <70baf8d20910121226p72e3f05chbfe8eb3a4b47fb2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1255371926.23696D7D@ea32.dngr.org>
	<70baf8d20910121226p72e3f05chbfe8eb3a4b47fb2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1255377803.119CB4BA@gi21.dngr.org>

Hi Phil
When I used google mail through the web browser I selected plain text 
from the tool bar, but the list server sent back a message saying the 
fist half of the message was unprocessed and the second half was being 
ignored, it was strange.


On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:26 pm, Phil Morgan wrote:
> Hey Glenn, you made it.  Welcome
>
> I also use gmail (from my pc) and it seems to work fine (although it's
> a bit disconcerting as I don't see my own posts to the list bounce
> back).
>
> Phil
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Glenn Skinner <lostbowyer at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>>  Hi all
>>  I've been trolling the list for a couple of months before I realized 
>> none of
>>  my posts made it through. First I used aol which returned no errors 
>> but
>>  never got through, then google which has plain text format but it was 
>> being
>>  rejected as well.
>>  I'm trying google through my cell phone before I try changing email 
>> accounts
>>  yet again to be able to use a plain text client
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Mon Oct 12 17:15:59 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:15:59 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Complete Highlights & Comments, Final Offerings,
	& BIG THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE PUT UP WITH MY EXTRA POSTS THIS LAST
	WEEK!
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Rare Meteorite Fall From Argentina, MALOTAS,H5, 41.50 g  _ VERY LOW  
KNOWN WEIGHT, RARE AND THE ONLY ONE I HAVE! THIS ONE IS VERY RARE FOLKS!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489952201

Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 2594 g - BIG BIG BIG SPECIMEN-  
LAST ONE I HAVE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339590226

(New) CV3, NWA 5546 From Africa, 46.49 gram - One of My Last Big Pieces.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390940838

Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes, 118g - LAST TIME I am  
Offering Big Pieces of Bondoc in Auction Like This! Don't wait.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339569109

(NEW) Ungrouped Ataxite, GRIFFITH, TX, 7.19g - Getting to my last ones!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390938897

Nice TOLUCA Iron Individual, Mexico, 817 g - BIG Toluca! Still very,  
very cheap!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391003637

Beautiful Sikhote-Alin Iron Individual, 38.8g - Extremely BEAUTIFUL  
Sikhote - Great Shape!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489988471

A Perfect MILLBILLILLIE Individual, 8.57g - MY LAST PERFECT INDIVIDUAL!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220490026766

Seldom Available LONG ISLAND, Kansas, 23.3g - ONLY ONE I HAVE TO OFFER!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489966245

Nice Specimen of NWA 869, L4-6, 190 gram - SUPER NICE AND SUPER CHEAP!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489964638

Rare NWA 2932, Mesosiderite, Nice! 6.20 gram - Pretty Specimen.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391025941

Individual From HENBURY, Australia, 1.87g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391103828

Outstanding Silicated Iron, NWA 5549, 4.39g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391106604

Choice Specimen From Northwest Africa-48.97g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339591101

CANYON DIABLO Individual, IAB Iron, 140 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489969099

-Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes,2.83g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391025100

NWA 3118, Outstanding CV3, Nice 5.39 gram - Take A Look - Nice One.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391017339

Outstanding Silicated-Campo Del Cielo -52.93g - One of my Last Big  
Ones...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391004985

(NEW) NWA 4851, L6 With Shock Lines, 40.17g NICE NICE SLICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339550506

SAYH AL UHAYMIR 001, L4/5, Oman, 47.20 gram - A GOOD ONE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339647925

Rare Low Total Known Weight-YORKTOWN, Texas- Last piece I have.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339578014

(New) Fall, CHERGACH, Mali, Individual, 1.62g CUTE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339593471

Extremely Rare-WABAR, Saudi Arabia, 1.47 g  BOYS AND GIRLS THIS IS RARE
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390965512

Rare & Low TKW, DAVY (B), Texas, H4, 3.00g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339596680

Choice Specimen From Northwest Africa-71.83g - Nice Piece and CHEAP!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339594260

(New) NWA 5059, L4, 92 gram, *Good Price*
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391018320

LA LUZ, New Mexico, H4, MAIN MASS, 3518 gram - It really does not get  
any cheape for an American Main Mass/Classified and Listed In The  
Bulletin. One could still take about ~1500 grams of slices off this  
one and still have the Main Mass!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220490222851

Choice Specimen From Northwest Africa-71.83g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339594260

(New) Olivine Diogenite-NWA 5480, 346 gram - I am selling this for  
LESS than I paid. My loss your gain.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391145655

Meteorite Beautiful Iron, Sweden, MUONIONALUSTA, 418g - THE LARGEST  
INCLUSION OF ANY SLICE OF MUON THAT I HAVE SEEN!  AMAZING DISPLAY  
SPECIMEN!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200392132050

(New) CV3, NWA 5546 From Africa, 46.49 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390940838




For Those IOf You Who Like Gold & Silver .....

1913 Indian Head Gold Coin $5- NGC -AU55 - SUPER PRETTY $5.00 Gold Coin!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489993297

1913 Indian Head Gold Coin $2 1/2 Quarter Eagle PCGS
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391007152

1856 Indian Princess Gold One Dollar Coin- PCGS- MS62 - Worth OVER  
$600.00 +
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390980613

Mineral Specimen of NATIVE SILVER-Alhambra Mine, NM. #6 - THESE ARE  
BEAUTIFUL SPECIMENS OF NATIVE SILVER AND EXTREMELY RARE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=20039098403

1910 Indian Head Gold Coin $2 1/2 Quarter Eagle AU/BU
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390954618

1912 Indian Head Gold Coin $2 1/2 Quarter Eagle PCGS
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339579101

Mineral Specimen of NATIVE SILVER-Alhambra Mine, NM. #5
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489995205

*** MUST SEE THIS BEAUTY***  GOOD OFFERS CONSIDERED *****
One of The Finest Gold Nuggets You Will Ever See - 276g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220493082896



FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO LIKE ARTIFACTS ....

Neolithic Points/Blade/Arrowhead- (100) w/Book #3
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390971848

CHECK OUT THE CHLORIDE FLATS- NEW MEXICO PALEOLITHIC MATERIAL, This is  
a site on my property and may be one of the oldest in the United  
States. A serious discovery...

Paleolithic Tool From New Mexico - ~15,000 B.P. -CF117
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339573907

Paleolithic Tools From New Mexico - 25+ Artifacts #1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390959504



and many others....


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael









From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 12 21:00:38 2009
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:00:38 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Once In Century Offering
In-Reply-To: <ad733150910121056s7f1f6f80pf45f2fe3374796d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT102-W19C6490824ED6B48BA6063A2C80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT102-W30CF6C1095AFDE2E43477FA2C70@phx.gbl>


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You have quite an imagination. It's funny how people conjure up crazy image=
s based on their own biased perceptions. The issue in question is cut and d=
ried so this imagery is unwarranted.=20
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Whether I'm some sort of Grinch=2C The Picture of Dorian Gray or the reinca=
rnation of Ghandi=2C has nothing to do with the one ad per week rule.
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Cheers=2C
Bill

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> Date: Mon=2C 12 Oct 2009 13:56:02 -0400
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Once In Century Offering
> From: mpg4444 at gmail.com
> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>=20
> You have to be one of the most miserable people on this list
> continiously gloating to everyone your bitterness. The picture you are
> painting is of yourself and not Michael.
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From lostbowyer at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 22:13:32 2009
From: lostbowyer at gmail.com (Glenn Skinner)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:13:32 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] question on using a macro flash ring for
	photgraphing meteorites
Message-ID: <d9cd52f10910121913o6ed0880ar8878922a0e0e9284@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
I've been photographing my collection using an 8 megapixel olympus
camera with really good success. the only drawback is I have to do it
outdoors late moring facing the east to get the right lighting. I
haven't been able to reproduce the same quality using artificial
lighting. I've tried using microscopes with CCD, but the camera has a
much better image. I've been looking at the macro flash rings and have
wondered if anyone has tried them or is using them?

Thanks

Glenn Skinner


From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 22:27:55 2009
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:27:55 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Zeiss Application Library
Message-ID: <cbd.4c17f3a5.38053fab@aol.com>

Hi list, I was allowed a page on the Microscopy & Digital Imaging, Carl  
Zeiss MicroImaging Inc.  Application Library.  Kind of a big deal when  you 
look at some of the other individuals and institutions represented  there.  
 
Please take a look.
 
Tom  Phillips

http://www.zeiss.com/4125681F004CA025/Contents-Frame/0349DF72D24A414B8525758
6006D10DF
 


From lintonius at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 12 23:17:03 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:17:03 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Zeiss Application Library
References: <cbd.4c17f3a5.38053fab@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F3CE4E3960154990AB6744D46D3EF1B5@D190TH71>

That's great, Tom! Congratulations and keep up the good work.
Linton Rohr

(tail end of link broken...must add on)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:27 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Zeiss Application Library


> Hi list, I was allowed a page on the Microscopy & Digital Imaging, Carl
> Zeiss MicroImaging Inc.  Application Library.  Kind of a big deal when 
> you
> look at some of the other individuals and institutions represented  there.
>
> Please take a look.
>
> Tom  Phillips
>
> http://www.zeiss.com/4125681F004CA025/Contents-Frame/0349DF72D24A414B8525758
> 6006D10DF
>
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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 23:19:21 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:19:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Alleged Peruvian "Meteorites" For Sale :-) :-(
Message-ID: <263189.22772.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear Friends,

When I came across the below so-called / alleged 
"meteorites" from Peru in a sponsored link on Ebay,
I did know whether to laugh or cry.

1. Meteorite Set 

"Hard to find natural Meteorite from Peru."

http://www.shamansmarket.com/-strse-794/Meteorite-Set/Detail.bok

2. Meteorite Apu 7 Puntas Chumpi  

"This Number Seven Chumpi Stone is carved from 
what the people of Peru call meteorite. It is 
physically very heavy and energetically alive!
Peru"

http://www.shamansmarket.com/-strse-958/meteorite-puntas-chumpi/Detail.bok#more

It is just amazing what bric and brac people are 
selling as "meteorites". It is even more amazing
that there are people out, who buy this stuff.
I can understand someone buying a piece of 
Shirokovsky, thinking it is a meteorite. But 
this stuff?

Yours,

Paul


      


From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 23:30:57 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:30:57 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Alleged Peruvian "Meteorites" For Sale :-) :-(
In-Reply-To: <263189.22772.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <263189.22772.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e51421550910122030n6daa1d9dg6932742b9c42ca0f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul and List,

I see a lot of stuff that resembles this on eBay.  My first thought is
always - "that is not meteorite.", and then my second thought is "what
the heck is it?" LOL

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG

On 10/12/09, Paul <bristolia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> When I came across the below so-called / alleged
> "meteorites" from Peru in a sponsored link on Ebay,
> I did know whether to laugh or cry.
>
> 1. Meteorite Set
>
> "Hard to find natural Meteorite from Peru."
>
> http://www.shamansmarket.com/-strse-794/Meteorite-Set/Detail.bok
>
> 2. Meteorite Apu 7 Puntas Chumpi
>
> "This Number Seven Chumpi Stone is carved from
> what the people of Peru call meteorite. It is
> physically very heavy and energetically alive!
> Peru"
>
> http://www.shamansmarket.com/-strse-958/meteorite-puntas-chumpi/Detail.bok#more
>
> It is just amazing what bric and brac people are
> selling as "meteorites". It is even more amazing
> that there are people out, who buy this stuff.
> I can understand someone buying a piece of
> Shirokovsky, thinking it is a meteorite. But
> this stuff?
>
> Yours,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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-- 
.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone
eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle
..........................................................


From mlblood at cox.net  Mon Oct 12 23:39:44 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:39:44 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] photgraphing meteorites
In-Reply-To: <d9cd52f10910121913o6ed0880ar8878922a0e0e9284@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6F94490.81DD%mlblood@cox.net>

This is what I use:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fluorescent-Photo-Light-Box_W0QQitemZ280405721226QQcmdZV
iewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item41497bc08a

Here are a couple of other alternatives:
http://www.skymall.com/shopping/detail.htm?pid=102215550

http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1255404696/ref=sr_nr_seeall_1?ie=UTF8&rs=&keywor
ds=desktop%20photo%20studio&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Adesktop%20photo%20studio%2Ci%3A
electronics

        Best wishes, Michael


On 10/12/09 7:13 PM, "Glenn Skinner" <lostbowyer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
> I've been photographing my collection using an 8 megapixel olympus
> camera with really good success. the only drawback is I have to do it
> outdoors late moring facing the east to get the right lighting. I
> haven't been able to reproduce the same quality using artificial
> lighting. I've tried using microscopes with CCD, but the camera has a
> much better image. I've been looking at the macro flash rings and have
> wondered if anyone has tried them or is using them?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Glenn Skinner
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list




From dave at fallingrocks.com  Tue Oct 13 00:22:47 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:22:47 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: LARGE Ash Creek,
	several other high quality specimens
Message-ID: <6AFAE63CF8134CE6858D259C15B6EFBE@meteorroom>

Hello All,
Robert Ward is having trouble posting to the list, so I'm forwarding this
link along for him.  A terrific, large Ash Creek individual, Allende,
several sliced irons, etc...pull up seller's other items from this link.
Thanks for looking, and all best,
Dave

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170392398593&ssPageName=S
TRK:MESELX:IT

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 



From astroroks at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 13 00:34:27 2009
From: astroroks at hotmail.com (Dennis Miller)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:34:27 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Cosmic Object Caught On Camera
Message-ID: <COL113-W31D1DCE402FB7F768F4FDDB1C70@phx.gbl>




________________________________
> From: astroroks at hotmail.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Cosmic Object Caught On Camera
> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:29:58 -0500
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.koat.com/news/21277557/detail.html

 
Not sure how to copy and send this clip.  Hope this works.
Looks like we may have another fall.  This one in Northern
New Mexico.  I am ready to roll.  Thomas just needs some
more input for triangulation.  
Dennis 		 	   		  
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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Tue Oct 13 00:35:55 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:35:55 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW:  AD: LARGE Ash Creek,
	several other high quality specimens
Message-ID: <3419E6DCC5AD43F7B0E64ACEE118807A@meteorroom>

Sorry...hope the link works this time!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170392398593&ssPageName=S
TRK:MESELX:IT 

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Gheesling
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:23 AM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: LARGE Ash Creek,several other high quality
specimens

Hello All,
Robert Ward is having trouble posting to the list, so I'm forwarding this
link along for him.  A terrific, large Ash Creek individual, Allende,
several sliced irons, etc...pull up seller's other items from this link.
Thanks for looking, and all best,
Dave

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170392398593&ssPageName=S
TRK:MESELX:IT

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 

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From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Tue Oct 13 00:37:39 2009
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:37:39 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] question on using a macro flash ring for
	photgraphing meteorites
Message-ID: <4ad40413.2ac.2d5f.136886274@webmaildh6.aruba.it>

I use for macro photos fixed illumination, flash is not good
for macro photos

Matteo


----- Original Message -----
Da : Glenn Skinner <lostbowyer at gmail.com>
A : meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Oggetto : [meteorite-list] question on using a macro flash
ring for photgraphing meteorites
Data : Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:13:32 -0400

> Hi
> I've been photographing my collection using an 8 megapixel
> olympus camera with really good success. the only drawback
> is I have to do it outdoors late moring facing the east to
> get the right lighting. I haven't been able to reproduce
> the same quality using artificial lighting. I've tried
> using microscopes with CCD, but the camera has a much
> better image. I've been looking at the macro flash rings
> and have wondered if anyone has tried them or is using
> them?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Glenn Skinner
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

M come Meteorite Meteoriti
info at mcomemeteorite.it
http://www.mcomemeteorite.it
http://www.mcomemeteorite.org
Mindat Gallery
http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html
ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici
http://www.chinellatophoto.com


From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Oct 13 01:32:46 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:32:46 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dryas all wet
In-Reply-To: <263189.22772.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <263189.22772.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3348d5p8ou2gap452ra73tj29ve6jqe9pf@4ax.com>

http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091012/full/news.2009.997.html

North America comet theory questioned

No evidence of an extraterrestrial impact 13,000 years ago, studies say.

Rex Dalton

An independent study has cast more doubt on a controversial theory that a comet
exploded over icy North America nearly 13,000 years ago, wiping out the Clovis
people and many of the continent's large animals.

Archaeologists have examined sediments at seven Clovis-age sites across the
United States, and did not find enough magnetic cosmic debris to confirm that an
extraterrestrial impact happened at that time, says the report in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences  (PNAS)1. It is the latest of
several studies unable to support aspects of the impact hypothesis.

In 2007, a team led by Californian researchers announced a theory2 that a comet
or asteroid had exploded over the North American ice sheet, creating widespread
fire and an atmospheric soot burst followed by a cooling period known as the
Younger Dryas. Sometime after this, the Clovis people, sophisticated
large-animal hunters known for their spear points, mysteriously disappeared; the
team linked their vanishing to the environmental effects of the proposed impact.

Key evidence came in the form of magnetic microspherules discovered in sediments
at 25 locations, including eight Clovis-age sites. Richard Firestone, of
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California, and his colleagues argued
that the microspherules were remnants of cosmic debris from an explosion.

But in more than 18 months of sedimentary analysis, a team led by Todd Surovell,
an archaeologist at the University of Wyoming in Laramie, was unable to detect
microspherule peaks. Two of the seven sites the group studied were places where
Firestone's team identified spherule peaks.

"I spent hundreds of hours at the microscope examining sediment samples," says
Surovell, "and I didn't find any physical evidence to support their theory."
Standing firm

The other team isn't backing down. "Their study doesn't negate our hypothesis,"
says James Kennett, a palaeoceanographer at the University of California at
Santa Barbara and one of Firestone's co-authors. Another co-author, avocational
geophysicist Allen West of Prescott, Arizona, says that Surovell's group didn't
use the correct technique to extract, identify and quantify the microspherules.

Several other groups have been unable to support important aspects of the comet
theory.

In a PNAS article published in February3, Jennifer Marlon, a doctoral geography
student at the University of Oregon in Eugene, and her colleagues found no
systematic burning of biomass ? as would have occurred if continent-wide fires
had happened ? at the time of the Younger Dryas in pollen and charcoal records
at 35 sites. And at the Ecological Society of America meeting in Albuquerque,
New Mexico, in August, Jacquelyn Gill, a palaeoecology doctoral student at the
University of Wisconsin-Madison, reported finding no evidence of massive burning
in sediment cores taken from lake beds in Ohio and Indiana. 

Kennett, however, calls these studies "flawed". In August, his team published a
report4 saying they had found nanometre-sized diamonds, purportedly created
during an impact, and soot in sediments dated to the Younger Dryas on Santa Rosa
Island, off the coast of California.

More studies of the theory ? both critical and supportive ? are in the
publishing pipelines at other journals.

Surovell's co-author Vance Holliday, an archaeologist at the University of
Arizona in Tucson, and his colleagues have an article in press at Current
Anthropology that says the archaeological and geochronological records don't
support a collapse of Clovis people at the time of the purported impact.

    *
      References
         1. Surovell, T. A. et al. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. USA advance online
publication doi:10.1073/pnas.0907857106 (2009).
         2. Firestone, R. B. et al. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. USA 104, 16016-16021
(2007).
         3. Marlon, J. R. et al. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. USA 106, 2519-2524
(2009).
         4. Kennett, D. J. et al. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. USA 106, 12623-12628
(2009).





http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/10/irreproducible-results-raise-doubts-about-ice-age-impact.ars


Asteroid impact-driven climate change called into question

In recent years, a team of researchers has been gathering evidence of an
extraterrestrial impact that occurred precisely as the Earth plunged into a cold
snap. Now, other researchers have tried to reproduce a key piece of that
evidence, and apparently failed.

By John Timmer  | Last updated October 12, 2009 3:11 PM CT

The end of the last ice age was a busy time in North America. As a whole, the
world seemed to be in the process of exiting the long cold snap nearly 15,000
years ago, but there was a sudden return to icy conditions that lasted nearly
2,000 years. At about the same time, the first humans made their presence felt
in North America, and many of the larger species of fauna went extinct. Over the
past few years, a series of papers have built the case that everything other
than the arrival of humans could be tied together nicely by the impact of a
series of carbon-rich meteors or comets that burst in the air over North
America, setting off massive fires locally, and blocking the sun globally.
Today, PNAS is releasing a paper that calls all of that into question for a very
simple reason: they tried to reproduce some of the results, and failed.

The events in question take place during a period called the Younger Dryas,
named for a plant that did well during the cold. As the graphs below show,
temperatures had been rising steadily from the depths of the ice age until
12,900 years ago, at which point they quickly reverted to their previous, frigid
levels. It took well over 1,000 years before they'd return to the sort of warm
that we've enjoyed for the last 10,000 years or so. But climate wasn't the only
thing that was changing; North America saw major species losses, with a lot of
its megafauna going extinct within a relatively short period of time. 

Traditionally, that has been ascribed to the combination of the arrival of the
Clovis culture's hunters and climate change. The climate change itself was a bit
harder to pin down, but a number of people have pointed a scientific finger at
the draining of massive lakes, such as Lake Agassiz, that had built up behind
glacial dams. During the first warming, these dams broke, releasing massive
amounts of fresh water into the North Atlantic, and altering the ocean's
circulation in a way that returned the planet to its icy state.

The new papers, generally published by a relatively small set of researchers,
challenged those interpretations. They focused on the presence of dark organic
sediments, called "black mats," that are associated with many of the first
Clovis sites. The collaborators have argued that these dark sediments literally
represent burnt material, with massive fires set off by the impact of
extraterrestrial objects. Reports linked the black mats to magnetic and metallic
grains, chemicals specific to soot, and, perhaps most tellingly, nanodiamonds,
which can only form under a limited number of high-temperature, high-pressure
conditions, such as those created by an impact.

The new paper challenges only one aspect of that data: the presence of high
levels microscopic magnetic spheres in the same sediment layers as the other
signs of a potential impact. These items do form at a constant rate from the
impact of micrometeors, but may appear at higher numbers during a period of more
intense bombardment. The authors tracked the levels of these magnetic
microspheres at a series of seven Clovis-era sites, including two used by the
authors to argue in favor of an impact. In one case, they obtained samples only
a few centimeters away from the previous ones.

What they found, however, is nothing like the results that appeared in the
previous papers. "Although concentrations of magnetic grains vary by more than
two orders of magnitude among all study sites, no individual site shows clear
evidence of uniquely enhanced levels of magnetic grains in YDB samples," the
authors state, noting that the majority of their sites actually show a decrease
at this time. They term this "a discrepancy between the two studies that is
particularly troublesome." They suggest that local conditions, such as the
presence of flowing water, might dominate a site's properties and cause
extensive variability.

Obviously, that's just one piece of evidence out of a more extensive list that
has been used to argue in favor of an impact. But the authors note that a
separate study has raised questions about how extensive the evidence for massive
fires is. In addition, the radically different results may suggest that there's
a problem with the method of assigning samples to specific dates, which might
call into question some of the more compelling findings, like the presence of
nanodiamonds.

In any case, it's an interesting scientific controversy that doesn't appear to
be going away anytime soon, as those who favor the impact idea will undoubtedly
have more to add. It doesn't really say much about our understanding of climate
change, as either or both of the events?an impact and the draining of Lake
Agassiz?seem more than sufficient to have global consequences.

But the controversy also says important things about science in general. Various
critics of science argue that contrary views don't get published, or complain
that historical science is immune to the sort of reproducibility that takes
place in laboratory-based science. The back-and-forth here shows that neither of
those appears to be especially true. 


From stm at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 13 00:54:29 2009
From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:54:29 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: LARGE Ash Creek,
	several other high quality specimens
In-Reply-To: <6AFAE63CF8134CE6858D259C15B6EFBE@meteorroom>
References: <6AFAE63CF8134CE6858D259C15B6EFBE@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <CEB0AAD1C1E24B2D83BE40D7B81A97BC@Platinum2>

Dave,

Try this link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170392398593

Sean.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Gheesling" <dave at fallingrocks.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: LARGE Ash Creek,several other high quality 
specimens


> Hello All,
> Robert Ward is having trouble posting to the list, so I'm forwarding this
> link along for him.  A terrific, large Ash Creek individual, Allende,
> several sliced irons, etc...pull up seller's other items from this link.
> Thanks for looking, and all best,
> Dave
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170392398593&ssPageName=S
> TRK:MESELX:IT
>
> Dave Gheesling
> IMCA #5967
> www.fallingrocks.com
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From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Tue Oct 13 06:31:18 2009
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (info at niger-meteorite-recon.de)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:31:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] question on using a macro flash ring for
 photgraphing meteorites
In-Reply-To: <d9cd52f10910121913o6ed0880ar8878922a0e0e9284@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d9cd52f10910121913o6ed0880ar8878922a0e0e9284@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <613728917.132288.1255429878483.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxltgw14.schlund.de>

Hi Glenn, others,
?
You may try working with full spectrum daylight lamps. They emit a spectrum very
similar to natural sunlight. By using two, or even better three lamps, you will
be able to avoid hard cast shadows. In combination with dimmers you may simulate
every daylight situation experienced outdoors.Anything starting from 20W will
serve your purpose.
?
The color spectrum your camera reproduces will be very close to what the human
eye perceives under daylight conditions. I've been achieving acceptable results
with a set of four daylight lamps and wouldn't want to miss
them:?http://www.meteorite-recon.com/en/Meteoritensammlung.htm

Cheers

Svend

www.meteorite-recon.com
? 
Glenn Skinner <lostbowyer at gmail.com> hat am 13. Oktober 2009 um 04:13
geschrieben:

> Hi
> I've been photographing my collection using an 8 megapixel olympus
> camera with really good success. the only drawback is I have to do it
> outdoors late moring facing the east to get the right lighting. I
> haven't been able to reproduce the same quality using artificial
> lighting. I've tried using microscopes with CCD, but the camera has a
> much better image. I've been looking at the macro flash rings and have
> wondered if anyone has tried them or is using them?
>
> Thanks
>
> Glenn Skinner
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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 08:35:18 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:35:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?utf-8?q?North_America_comet_theory_questioned_?=
 =?utf-8?b?d2FzIOKAnERyeWFzIGFsbCB3ZXTigJ0=?=
Message-ID: <841852.26181.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2009-October/057294.html ,
Darren Garrison wrote:

? http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091012/full/news.2009.997.html 

North America comet theory questioned?

Rest of text deleted.

The full reference to the article at the above URL is:

North America comet theory questioned. No evidence of an extraterrestrial 
impact 13,000 years ago, studies say by Rex Dalton, Nature News, Published 
online October 12, 2009, doi:10.1038/news.2009.997 

The paper is:

Surovell, T. A., V. T. Holliday, J. A. M. Gingerich, C. Ketron, C. Vance 
Haynes, Jr., I. Hilman, D. P. Wagner, E. Johnson, and P. Claeyse. 2009, 
An independent evaluation of the Younger Dryas extraterrestrial impact 
hypothesis. Published online before print October 12, 2009, 
doi: 10.1073/pnas.0907857106, 

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/10/09/0907857106

This reminds me of the claims made by a group of researchers, which 
included Luann Becker, for indicators of an extraterrestrial impact
at the Permian - Triassic and the Bedout High structure being the 
impact crater. Papers were published arguing that evidence of 
extraterrestrial impact, including fullerenes containing extraterrestrial 
3He, are found at the Permian - Triassic boundary. Later researchers, 
who restudied various Permian - Triassic boundary outcrops, including 
the ones studied by Becker, and were unable to replicate their findings. 
The evidence used to argue for Bedout High being an impact structure 
either could not be replicate or turned out to be open to alternative 
interpretations. Finally, there is a considerable amount of controversy 
whether many of the fullerenes found in sediments are even of 
extraterrestrial origin.

Best Regards,

Paul


      


From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Tue Oct 13 09:01:15 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:01:15 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades
In-Reply-To: <4ad2a0e89fc2b_55049ebbeb04df@winter22.tmail>
References: <4ad2a0e89fc2b_55049ebbeb04df@winter22.tmail>
Message-ID: <000601ca4c05$42f636a0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Hi Andr?,

I guess, you have to delete Argentina from your list.
I'm not fully sure about, but due to the new legislation, where Argentinean
meteorites are handled like artefacts, they aren't allowed to be exported
anymore.
It is hard for the Argentinean curators and scientists, but I fear, they
will have to do without meteorites as consequence of the new law. Or better
to say, from now on, they rather have to purchase new material, because the
most cost-effective way, the swapping and trading is now blocked.
Even if there shall be a possibility to acquire special permits (?),
I doubt, that anyone of the main suppliers of important meteorites, not to
mention the private collectors, would be willing to occupy himself with all
that paperwork.

I think this was also the main reason, why so few only gave meteorites on
loan to Andrzej's exhibition - cause with the new Polish export prohibition,
they weren't sure, whether they would get their pieces back or feared the
red tape.

Don't know about the actual situation in Poland - we'd love to trade
meteorites with Polish museums, like I did sometimes in past and where all
were happy - and now we have more amazing material than ever, but I don't
know, whether that is still possible at all.

Another terrifying aspect, aside the main problem of the breaking down of
the number of newly recovered meteorites - how harmful improper laws created
without expert knowledge are for meteorite science and the institutional and
national collections.

Very worrying, the developments of the recent years..

Martin
 


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Andr?
Moutinho
Gesendet: Montag, 12. Oktober 2009 05:22
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades

Hello, there anyone here that belongs to a museum in Southern America
(Argentina, Peru, Brazil, etc) that may be interest in trades?

Regards,

Andr? 
IMCA #2731
http://moutinho.astrodatabase.net
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From webbth1 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 10:02:25 2009
From: webbth1 at yahoo.com (Thomas Webb)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:02:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Alleged Peruvian "Meteorites" For Sale :-) :-(
In-Reply-To: <263189.22772.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <739200.69911.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul and list,
Beware when buying from Shamans (witch doctors)! :>)
Thomas



--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Paul <bristolia at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Paul <bristolia at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Alleged Peruvian "Meteorites" For Sale :-) :-(
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 11:19 PM
> Dear Friends,
> 
> When I came across the below so-called / alleged 
> "meteorites" from Peru in a sponsored link on Ebay,
> I did know whether to laugh or cry.
> 
> 1. Meteorite Set 
> 
> "Hard to find natural Meteorite from Peru."
> 
> http://www.shamansmarket.com/-strse-794/Meteorite-Set/Detail.bok
> 
> 2. Meteorite Apu 7 Puntas Chumpi? 
> 
> "This Number Seven Chumpi Stone is carved from 
> what the people of Peru call meteorite. It is 
> physically very heavy and energetically alive!
> Peru"
> 
> http://www.shamansmarket.com/-strse-958/meteorite-puntas-chumpi/Detail.bok#more
> 
> It is just amazing what bric and brac people are 
> selling as "meteorites". It is even more amazing
> that there are people out, who buy this stuff.
> I can understand someone buying a piece of 
> Shirokovsky, thinking it is a meteorite. But 
> this stuff?
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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From info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar  Tue Oct 13 10:48:02 2009
From: info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar (Eduardo)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:48:02 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades
In-Reply-To: <000601ca4c05$42f636a0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <B0000044625@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

Hi Martin and Andre
That's not right.
The Argentine law specifically mention NEW finds and falls. Until now the
only two meteorites involved are Berduc and Santa Lucia (both falls from 2008)
A museum can legally export older finds and falls (December 2007) 
Eduardo
-----Original Message-----
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:01:15 +0200
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades

> Hi Andr?,
> 
> I guess, you have to delete Argentina from your list.
> I'm not fully sure about, but due to the new legislation, where
> Argentinean
> meteorites are handled like artefacts, they aren't allowed to be
> exported
> anymore.
> It is hard for the Argentinean curators and scientists, but I fear,
> they
> will have to do without meteorites as consequence of the new law. Or
> better
> to say, from now on, they rather have to purchase new material, because
> the
> most cost-effective way, the swapping and trading is now blocked.
> Even if there shall be a possibility to acquire special permits (?),
> I doubt, that anyone of the main suppliers of important meteorites, not
> to
> mention the private collectors, would be willing to occupy himself with
> all
> that paperwork.
> 
> I think this was also the main reason, why so few only gave meteorites
> on
> loan to Andrzej's exhibition - cause with the new Polish export
> prohibition,
> they weren't sure, whether they would get their pieces back or feared
> the
> red tape.
> 
> Don't know about the actual situation in Poland - we'd love to trade
> meteorites with Polish museums, like I did sometimes in past and where
> all
> were happy - and now we have more amazing material than ever, but I
> don't
> know, whether that is still possible at all.
> 
> Another terrifying aspect, aside the main problem of the breaking down
> of
> the number of newly recovered meteorites - how harmful improper laws
> created
> without expert knowledge are for meteorite science and the
> institutional and
> national collections.
> 
> Very worrying, the developments of the recent years..
> 
> Martin
>  
> 
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> Andr?
> Moutinho
> Gesendet: Montag, 12. Oktober 2009 05:22
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades
> 
> Hello, there anyone here that belongs to a museum in Southern America
> (Argentina, Peru, Brazil, etc) that may be interest in trades?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Andr? 
> IMCA #2731
> http://moutinho.astrodatabase.net
> ______________________________________________
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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 10:56:07 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:56:07 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Alleged Peruvian "Meteorites" For Sale :-) :-(
In-Reply-To: <739200.69911.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <263189.22772.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<739200.69911.qm@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e51421550910130756u308df68bmd992ed31304cfe37@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul and List,

They are all witch-doctors, even the western ones in white coats. ;)

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG

On 10/13/09, Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Paul and list,
> Beware when buying from Shamans (witch doctors)! :>)
> Thomas
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Paul <bristolia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Paul <bristolia at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Alleged Peruvian "Meteorites" For Sale :-) :-(
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 11:19 PM
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> When I came across the below so-called / alleged
>> "meteorites" from Peru in a sponsored link on Ebay,
>> I did know whether to laugh or cry.
>>
>> 1. Meteorite Set
>>
>> "Hard to find natural Meteorite from Peru."
>>
>> http://www.shamansmarket.com/-strse-794/Meteorite-Set/Detail.bok
>>
>> 2. Meteorite Apu 7 Puntas Chumpi
>>
>> "This Number Seven Chumpi Stone is carved from
>> what the people of Peru call meteorite. It is
>> physically very heavy and energetically alive!
>> Peru"
>>
>> http://www.shamansmarket.com/-strse-958/meteorite-puntas-chumpi/Detail.bok#more
>>
>> It is just amazing what bric and brac people are
>> selling as "meteorites". It is even more amazing
>> that there are people out, who buy this stuff.
>> I can understand someone buying a piece of
>> Shirokovsky, thinking it is a meteorite. But
>> this stuff?
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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>
>
>
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..........................................................


From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 11:11:52 2009
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:11:52 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Alleged Peruvian "Meteorites" For Sale :-) :-(
In-Reply-To: <263189.22772.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <263189.22772.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f0a794130910130811j20bcf09fq1cfcc3cd83549e62@mail.gmail.com>

I find meteorites like this all over PA. Damn all this time I've just
been throwing them away. :)

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Paul <bristolia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> When I came across the below so-called / alleged
> "meteorites" from Peru in a sponsored link on Ebay,
> I did know whether to laugh or cry.
>
> 1. Meteorite Set
>
> "Hard to find natural Meteorite from Peru."
>
> http://www.shamansmarket.com/-strse-794/Meteorite-Set/Detail.bok
>
> 2. Meteorite Apu 7 Puntas Chumpi
>
> "This Number Seven Chumpi Stone is carved from
> what the people of Peru call meteorite. It is
> physically very heavy and energetically alive!
> Peru"
>
> http://www.shamansmarket.com/-strse-958/meteorite-puntas-chumpi/Detail.bok#more
>
> It is just amazing what bric and brac people are
> selling as "meteorites". It is even more amazing
> that there are people out, who buy this stuff.
> I can understand someone buying a piece of
> Shirokovsky, thinking it is a meteorite. But
> this stuff?
>
> Yours,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Tue Oct 13 11:36:38 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:36:38 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades
In-Reply-To: <B0000044625@webmail.abaco.net.ar>
References: <000601ca4c05$42f636a0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
	<B0000044625@webmail.abaco.net.ar>
Message-ID: <000e01ca4c1a$f4b56630$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Hi Eduardo,

does that mean, that e.g. Campos found before the end of 2007 can still be
exported from Argentina without permit?

If yes, why was Eric Twelker then attacked?

And what shall this law prevent, if all further finds, without new observed
falls, could be pre-dated by finders...

Martin


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Eduardo
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2009 16:48
An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades

Hi Martin and Andre
That's not right.
The Argentine law specifically mention NEW finds and falls. Until now the
only two meteorites involved are Berduc and Santa Lucia (both falls from
2008)
A museum can legally export older finds and falls (December 2007) 
Eduardo
-----Original Message-----
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:01:15 +0200
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades

> Hi Andr?,
> 
> I guess, you have to delete Argentina from your list.
> I'm not fully sure about, but due to the new legislation, where
> Argentinean
> meteorites are handled like artefacts, they aren't allowed to be
> exported
> anymore.
> It is hard for the Argentinean curators and scientists, but I fear,
> they
> will have to do without meteorites as consequence of the new law. Or
> better
> to say, from now on, they rather have to purchase new material, because
> the
> most cost-effective way, the swapping and trading is now blocked.
> Even if there shall be a possibility to acquire special permits (?),
> I doubt, that anyone of the main suppliers of important meteorites, not
> to
> mention the private collectors, would be willing to occupy himself with
> all
> that paperwork.
> 
> I think this was also the main reason, why so few only gave meteorites
> on
> loan to Andrzej's exhibition - cause with the new Polish export
> prohibition,
> they weren't sure, whether they would get their pieces back or feared
> the
> red tape.
> 
> Don't know about the actual situation in Poland - we'd love to trade
> meteorites with Polish museums, like I did sometimes in past and where
> all
> were happy - and now we have more amazing material than ever, but I
> don't
> know, whether that is still possible at all.
> 
> Another terrifying aspect, aside the main problem of the breaking down
> of
> the number of newly recovered meteorites - how harmful improper laws
> created
> without expert knowledge are for meteorite science and the
> institutional and
> national collections.
> 
> Very worrying, the developments of the recent years..
> 
> Martin
>  
> 
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> Andr?
> Moutinho
> Gesendet: Montag, 12. Oktober 2009 05:22
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades
> 
> Hello, there anyone here that belongs to a museum in Southern America
> (Argentina, Peru, Brazil, etc) that may be interest in trades?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Andr? 
> IMCA #2731
> http://moutinho.astrodatabase.net
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 13:07:15 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:07:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fear of impacts, bad techniques, Morrison,
	Mars Nuts, lack of money
Message-ID: <558153.27253.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Darren, Paul - 

On yeah, and the KT comet impact did not kill the dinosaurs. Keller told us all about it, and it was repeated again and again and again.

Well, let's see: People naturally want to deny that recent impacts have taken place. Provide them with any flimsy way of denying it, and they'll do it. 

We have a well funded and well supported opposition; my side has  no money and no means of communication since Dr. Peiser took the Cambridge Conference over to global warming scepticism. Gosh gee thanks, Benny. 

NASA still run by Mars Nuts who want to spend a hundred billion or so to fly a few men to Mars, and leftovers from the 1950's and 1960's who want them to do it. So they're in a state of denial as well, particularly as to comet impact rates, thanks largely to Morrison. 

Me, I've had a stroke. 

But the peoples remembered these impacts, even if they did not use modern terms like asteroid and comet to describe them:

http://forum.palanth.com/index.php/topic,1093.0.html

Also: 
http://forum.palanth.com/index.php?topic=1077.msg3266

No one has looked at the Kiscoty structure yet, and we're still waiting for the cores from the Carolina's.

Sterling, you care to add something in here? Like a comment on how all the megafauna disappeared over night? 

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      


From info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar  Tue Oct 13 15:10:56 2009
From: info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar (Eduardo)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:10:56 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades
In-Reply-To: <000e01ca4c1a$f4b56630$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <B0000044636@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

Hi Martin

Campo del Cielo is a special case. 
There is a provincial law from 1970 that protect all the meteorites from
Chaco province.
Although some part of the Campo del Cielo strewnfield (about 5%) is in
Santiago del Estero province, when you get to customs you have to prove
that they were collected in Santiago province before December 2008, or in
Chaco province before 1970 something really hard to do.
Only the very old Campo specimens already exported before 1970 are OK. 

About pre-dated new finds, well there is always the chance that you can be
caught in the lie. Not exactly a pre-dated, but think in Berduc. Some
started to sell them as "Arroyo Malo" and were disacredited as soon as it
was published. I guess a lot of people loose money there as now they can't
legally resell them and have in hands illegally exported Berduc meteorites.

There are a few Argentine meteorites actually under analysis, really
collected before the law (actually their analysis started before Dec.
2008) but any new "old find" is questionable. 
On the other hand, a newly found La Criolla specimen can be easily be
passed as an old one from that fall. Unless somebody catch the hunter at
the moment of find it is hard to prove it was not found 5 or 10 years ago.

Eduardo

-----Original Message-----
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:36:38 +0200
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades

> Hi Eduardo,
> 
> does that mean, that e.g. Campos found before the end of 2007 can still
> be
> exported from Argentina without permit?
> 
> If yes, why was Eric Twelker then attacked?
> 
> And what shall this law prevent, if all further finds, without new
> observed
> falls, could be pre-dated by finders...
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> Eduardo
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2009 16:48
> An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades
> 
> Hi Martin and Andre
> That's not right.
> The Argentine law specifically mention NEW finds and falls. Until now
> the
> only two meteorites involved are Berduc and Santa Lucia (both falls
> from
> 2008)
> A museum can legally export older finds and falls (December 2007) 
> Eduardo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:01:15 +0200
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades
> 
> > Hi Andr?,
> > 
> > I guess, you have to delete Argentina from your list.
> > I'm not fully sure about, but due to the new legislation, where
> > Argentinean
> > meteorites are handled like artefacts, they aren't allowed to be
> > exported
> > anymore.
> > It is hard for the Argentinean curators and scientists, but I fear,
> > they
> > will have to do without meteorites as consequence of the new law. Or
> > better
> > to say, from now on, they rather have to purchase new material,
> because
> > the
> > most cost-effective way, the swapping and trading is now blocked.
> > Even if there shall be a possibility to acquire special permits (?),
> > I doubt, that anyone of the main suppliers of important meteorites,
> not
> > to
> > mention the private collectors, would be willing to occupy himself
> with
> > all
> > that paperwork.
> > 
> > I think this was also the main reason, why so few only gave
> meteorites
> > on
> > loan to Andrzej's exhibition - cause with the new Polish export
> > prohibition,
> > they weren't sure, whether they would get their pieces back or feared
> > the
> > red tape.
> > 
> > Don't know about the actual situation in Poland - we'd love to trade
> > meteorites with Polish museums, like I did sometimes in past and
> where
> > all
> > were happy - and now we have more amazing material than ever, but I
> > don't
> > know, whether that is still possible at all.
> > 
> > Another terrifying aspect, aside the main problem of the breaking
> down
> > of
> > the number of newly recovered meteorites - how harmful improper laws
> > created
> > without expert knowledge are for meteorite science and the
> > institutional and
> > national collections.
> > 
> > Very worrying, the developments of the recent years..
> > 
> > Martin
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> > Andr?
> > Moutinho
> > Gesendet: Montag, 12. Oktober 2009 05:22
> > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Betreff: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades
> > 
> > Hello, there anyone here that belongs to a museum in Southern America
> > (Argentina, Peru, Brazil, etc) that may be interest in trades?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Andr? 
> > IMCA #2731
> > http://moutinho.astrodatabase.net
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > 
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 16:02:48 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:02:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holocene Start Impacts
Message-ID: <579527.26280.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi - 

I need more money and less cr*p from some people:

2009 FALL AGU San Francisco, CA
Field-Analytical approach of land-sea records for elucidating the Younger Dryas Boundary syndrome
SECTION/FOCUS GROUP: Paleoceanography and Paleoclimatology (PP)
SESSION: Younger Dryas Boundary: Extraterrestrial Impact or Not? (PP15)
AUTHORS (FIRST NAME, LAST NAME): Thierry Ge1, MARIE-AGNES MICHELE COURTY2, Francois Guichard3
INSTITUTIONS (ALL):
1. Geoarcheology, INRAP, Pessac, France.
2. Prehistory -IPHES-ICREA, CNRS-MNHN, Tarragona, Spain.
3. Paleoocenography, CNRS-CEA UVSQ, Gif-sur-Yvette, France.

Linking lonsdaleite crystals, carbon spherules and diamond polymorphs from the North American dark layers at 12.9 cal yr B.P. to a cosmic event has questioned the nature and timing of the related impact processes. A global signal should trace the invoked airshocks and/or surface impacts from a swarm of comets or carbonaceous chondrites.

Here we report on the contextual analytical study of debris fall events from three reference sequences of the Younger Dyras period (11-13 ka cal BP):

(1) sand dune fields along the French Atlantic coast at the Audenge site;
(2) A 10 m record of detrital/bioorganic accumulation in the southern basin of the Caspian Sea with regular sedimentation rate (0.1 to 3 mm per year) from 14 to 2-ka BP cal;
(3) the Paijan sequence (Peruvian coastal desert) offering fossiliferous fluvial layers with the last large mammals and aquatic fauna at 13 ka BP sealed by abiotic sand dunes.

The three sequences display one remarkable layer of exogenous air-transported microdebris that is part of a complex time series of recurrent fine dust/wildfire events. The sharp debris-rich microfacies and its association to ashes derived from calcination of the local vegetation suggest instantaneous deposition synchronous to a high intensity wildfire. The debris assemblage comprises microtektite-like glassy spherules, partly devitrified glass shards, unmelted to partly melted sedimentary and igneous clasts, terrestrial native metals, and carbonaceous components. The later occur as grape-clustered polymers, vitrified graphitic carbon, amorphous carbon spherules with a honeycomb pattern, and green carbon fibres with recrystallized quartz and metal blebs. Evidence for high temperature formation from a heterogeneous melt with solid debris and volatile components derived from carbonaceous precursors supports an impact origin from an ejecta plume. The
 association of debris deposition to total firing would trace a high energy airburst with surface effects of the fireball. In contrast, microfacies and debris composition of the recurrent fine dust/wildfire events would trace a series of a low energy airburst. Their record is expressed in the Audenge sequence by a series of water-laid laminae of charred pine residues formed of carbonaceous spherules wrapped by carbonaceous polymers that includes lonsdaleite crystals as detected by high resolution in situ micro-Raman analysis. This association suggests recurrent flash forest wildfires ignited by hot spray of carbon-rich debris, followed by heavy snow falls. The record from the Peruvian desert suggests a possible linkage between the repeated debris fall/wildfires during the Younger Dryas and the following irreversible aridity along the Peruvian cost. In contrast the Caspian record of the Younger Dryas period indicates more gradual changes, possibly
 buffered by the hydrological functioning of the Caspian sea in a complex region. The Audenge context offers the amplified signal needed to understand at local to global scales the spatio-temporal pattern of impact-airburst events.

KEYWORDS: [4901] PALEOCEANOGRAPHY / Abrupt/rapid climate change, [1029] GEOCHEMISTRY / Composition
of aerosols and dust particles, [4924] PALEOCEANOGRAPHY / Geochemical tracers, [5420] PLANETARY
SCIENCES: SOLID SURFACE PLANETS / Impact phenomena, cratering.
Previously Presented Material: Original results, never presented, never published

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Tue Oct 13 16:21:17 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:21:17 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Terror
Message-ID: <4AD4E13D.1030504@meteoritesusa.com>

For those of you who are afraid of meteorites, you now how even more 
reason to be afraid.

Be afraid, be verrry affffrrraaaaid... Moooohahhahahahahaha!

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/argus/index.ssf?/base/news/1255461617310570.xml&coll=6

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA


From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Oct 13 17:41:12 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:41:12 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where the ETs are hiding
In-Reply-To: <4AD4E13D.1030504@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <4AD4E13D.1030504@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <hss9d5p717l2v818nof3cofjd28ooi378n@4ax.com>

Hopefully, they aren't wild things.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=what-do-we-really-know-about-the-ku-2009-10-13

What do we really know about the Kuiper Belt? Fifth dispatch from the annual
planets meeting

By George Musser

FAJARDO, Puerto Rico?It smacked of a cunning plan. The organizers of last week's
planets conference put one of the best talks in the very last session of the
very last day. Most scientists had either left for the airport or the beach. I
almost didn't make it myself?the room and time got switched at the last minute.

If the speaker, Wesley Fraser of the California Institute of Technology, is
right, planetary scientists are going to have to rethink the Kuiper Belt?the
vast band of smallish planets that orbit beyond Neptune. Using the Hubble Space
Telescope, Fraser and his colleague Mike Brown observed one of the largest of
these objects, Quaoar, and its little moonlet, Weywoot, to refine estimates of
its size and mass. They found that Quaoar is smaller than previously thought,
only 900 kilometers in diameter. Consequently, it must be denser?about four
grams per cubic centimeter. This makes it by far the densest Kuiper Belt object
(KBO). It outdoes even a fairly dense asteroid such as Vesta.

Planetary scientists typically explain dense KBOs by imagining that they started
off larger and less dense; they then collided with one another, stripping off
lighter material such as ice and leaving behind mostly rock. Yet by the new
estimate Quaoar is denser even than rock, so even completely stripping its ice
wouldn't be enough. Moreover, astronomers detect ice on its surface. It makes no
sense. "It's confusing, to say the least," Fraser says.

That's only half of it. Most KBO moonlets have circular orbits. That is thought
to be a consequence of coalescing from collisional debris: debris rings
naturally settle into a circular shape. Yet Weywoot's orbit is distinctly
oblong. "We have to completely rewrite the book," Fraser concludes.

One radical idea is that Quaoar is a refugee from the asteroid belt between Mars
and Jupiter. Asteroids tend to be denser than KBOs, and Jupiter might
conceivably flick one to the farthest reaches of the solar system. But the
hapless exile would tend to wind up on a highly elliptical orbit around the sun,
whereas Quaoar's orbit is nearly circular.

Erik Asphaug of the University of California, Santa Cruz, offered another
explanation based on work he presented earlier in the week. Perhaps Quaoar
collided with a much bigger body?something approaching the proportions of Mars.
Like a Mini blindsided by a Hummer, Quaoar would have gotten seriously banged up
by such a collision, maybe enough to give it an anomalously high density. If so,
Quaoar might be living proof that substantial planets used to orbit in the
distant solar system and may still lurk out there.

Clearly this is one of those "more data are needed" situations, and Fraser has
applied for additional telescope time. One thing is sure, though. People
typically call KBOs icy bodies, like giant comets. But they can also be rocky,
like small Earths.


From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 13 16:49:00 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:49:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Another Fall - maybe we'll get a new record for
	falls
Message-ID: <SNT117-W40D18CC2468E213EF44145D2C70@phx.gbl>



List:

Take a look:

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1188311.shtml?cat=500


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					By: Gadi Schwartz, Eyewitness News 4, Matthew Kappus, KOB.com
				
				
				
				
			
			
			
			
			
			
			
			
			
			
Scientists think a fireball that flew over New Mexico may have been close enough to actually hit the ground. 
A Santa Fe
astronomer was able to catch the fiery streak on video. Thomas Ashcraft
says the fireball didn't disintegrate when it hit the atmosphere. It
may have landed somewhere near Taos. 
"If we can get other camera angles, than we can put all the
positions together and possibly hunt for an important--scientifically
important--meteorite," he said. 
The event was also captured by cameras at Sandia National Labs.
Scientists estimate the meteor was about the size of a basketball all
the way up to that of a small car. 
Scientists at Sandia think it disintegrated over Chaco Canyon.
 		 	   		  
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From rlenssen at planet.nl  Tue Oct 13 16:57:15 2009
From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:57:15 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor over The Netherlands
Message-ID: <0B8D6810AB4341BFA911D5FC448BF296@EIGENAARNJEQJY>

Dear List,

And an other one.

A large meteor has been seen, Oct. 13th at about 19:00h local time, over The 
Netherlands: http://twitgoo.com/42p74
Numerous fireball sightings have been reported from all over The 
Netherlands. Mostly reported direction is West-to-East.
Most reports speak of a splitting in three pieces. From (mainly) the North 
of our country, there are also reports of sonic booms and pieces seen 
falling down.

Living in the North of The Netherlands, I however saw nothing, heard nothing 
.... :-(

Best regards,
Rob Lenssen
The Netherlands 



From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 13 17:00:54 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:00:54 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Invasion has Begun
Message-ID: <SNT117-W18F0EB623A87619CFD7EBDD2C70@phx.gbl>



This is exciting

Greg S.
 		 	   		  
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 13 18:32:43 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:32:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Cosmic Object Caught On Camera
References: <COL113-W31D1DCE402FB7F768F4FDDB1C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B8C14438A12C4DB38A280CA7DAEDEB5B@D190TH71>

Yowza! Looks like a good one, Dennis.
I hope the puzzle pieces fall into place.
Linton 

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>> Subject: Cosmic Object Caught On Camera
>> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:29:58 -0500
>>
>> http://www.koat.com/news/21277557/detail.html
> 
> 
> Not sure how to copy and send this clip.  Hope this works.
> Looks like we may have another fall.  This one in Northern
> New Mexico.  I am ready to roll.  Thomas just needs some
> more input for triangulation.  
> Dennis      
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From lostbowyer at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 18:38:48 2009
From: lostbowyer at gmail.com (Glenn Skinner)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:38:48 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where the ETs are hiding
In-Reply-To: <hss9d5p717l2v818nof3cofjd28ooi378n@4ax.com>
References: <4AD4E13D.1030504@meteoritesusa.com>
	<hss9d5p717l2v818nof3cofjd28ooi378n@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <d9cd52f10910131538wf9f28a9j7787dc635b408d1e@mail.gmail.com>

If you really want to know where ET is hiding it's on the moon, but
they are very tiny, take a close look at this 4mg speck of NEA001, do
you see the skeleton?

http://www.observingstars.com/nea001.jpg


From lostbowyer at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 18:54:21 2009
From: lostbowyer at gmail.com (Glenn Skinner)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:54:21 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] [?? Probable Spam] question on using a macro
	flash ring forphotgraphing meteorites
In-Reply-To: <F02041D8DBD24AA7970BFE0C522DF11A@WERNER>
References: <d9cd52f10910121913o6ed0880ar8878922a0e0e9284@mail.gmail.com>
	<F02041D8DBD24AA7970BFE0C522DF11A@WERNER>
Message-ID: <d9cd52f10910131554n7f148eccn2693f4bc13e6e3ef@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Werner

I'll let you know how I make out if I decide to try a macro ring, they
say the macro ring works really well for forensics and dental work, to
capture the fine detail of an object in natural light. Only draw back
i've read is some of the cheaper units tend to over flash so you need
a camera that can compromise.

I do have a traditional light box with three lights, and on my "baby"
camera I have a copy board with 2600w of balanced lighting, but the
problem I run into is my camera is wide field fixed lens, to get a
good image, I need to be a couple of cm from the object, at that point
the lense tends to shade the whole object.

I do have a Celestron 44340 Digital Microscope, it works very well,
but the focus is very narrow, if viewing a thin section or a flat
slice it works great but give it a curvature and a lot of the image is
out of focus, if I could go a bit lower on the power it would be
better, but I can't

Glenn Skinner

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:32 PM, W&S Schroer <schroer at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Hi Glenn,
> I have exactly the same problem and I wonder too whether a flash ring is the
> way to go. I've bought a so called 'light box' with 3 fluorescent lights
> (circular light rings) which is ok for general work. But when it comes to
> close up photos there is simply not enough light even if I arrange all three
> rings to sit on top of each other allowing at least 60% of the light of each
> individual ring to get through to the meteorite. Even the flash on the
> camera doesn't add enough light, it mainly alters the colours and is
> therefore pretty useless.
>
> I've been thinking about buying the LOMO SF-100 microscope(or MBC-10 as it
> is known too) and if I like it I will add the ring light illuminator plus
> the camera attachment at a later stage. Apparently, the microscope is very
> cheap compared to similar products and of excellent quality except for a few
> minor issues. It's the add-ons that are very expensive but according to the
> reviews I've read, you have to spend between $3000-$6000 on a similar
> microscope of that quality and you therefore save a lot of money despite
> those expensive add-ons.
>
> I live in the Outback of Australia and the nearest shop that sells products
> like these, is some 350 miles away. I therefore have to rely on other
> people's opinion and experiences and the only way of buying these products
> is via the internet, often enough on Ebay.
>
> I would be grateful if you could pass on to me any information you might get
> off list.
>
> Best regards
> Werner Schroer


From lostbowyer at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 19:03:06 2009
From: lostbowyer at gmail.com (Glenn Skinner)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:03:06 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] photgraphing meteorites
In-Reply-To: <C6F94490.81DD%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <d9cd52f10910121913o6ed0880ar8878922a0e0e9284@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6F94490.81DD%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <d9cd52f10910131603i6f15b470h84068dc3949b77c8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael

I have one of the lightboxes like the one advertized in the skymall
link but I have three lights, gives a even light but not bright enough
for my camera in macro mode. your flourescent light box looks
interesting, I'll have to take a closer look.

Thanks!
Glenn

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
> This is what I use:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Fluorescent-Photo-Light-Box_W0QQitemZ280405721226QQcmdZV
> iewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item41497bc08a
>
> Here are a couple of other alternatives:
> http://www.skymall.com/shopping/detail.htm?pid=102215550
>
> http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1255404696/ref=sr_nr_seeall_1?ie=UTF8&rs=&keywor
> ds=desktop%20photo%20studio&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Adesktop%20photo%20studio%2Ci%3A
> electronics
>
> ? ? ? ?Best wishes, Michael


From gmhupe at htn.net  Tue Oct 13 18:52:11 2009
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:52:11 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Achondrite Originals, Auctions Ending - AD
Message-ID: <477B0587B17B4EC8A39BAD05B9D3A3A6@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

In the on-going quest to bring more original and rare meteorites to science 
and collectors, I have yet another set of eBay auctions ending tomorrow, 
Wednesday, October 14th. There are 14 meteorite auctions and 'Nearly Half' 
are Planetary, and with great detail, size and starting at just 99 cents, 
you will get a bargain!!!

Why go for pairings or a promise of a pairing from some Quick-Buck stone 
traders who do not get every single stone analyzed by professionals??! I 
guarantee every single meteorite to be EXACTLY as I advertise! You Will Not 
get ripped off by me with promises or Bait-n-Switch tactics like some 
Quick-Buck stone traders out there who engage in such bad behavior!!!

Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

Here is the quick list of the 14 auctions in order of listing and/or ending 
time:

1) Brachinite
2) Polymict Diogenite
3) Brecciated Lodranite
4) Angrite
5) Aubrite
6) Angrite
7) Lunar
8) Howardite
9) Lunar Impact Melt Breccia
10) Olivine Diogenite
11) DaG 713 Martian
12) Dhofar 019 Martian
13) Dhofar 1085 Lunar
14) NEA 001 Lunar

Thank you for looking, bidding and having the confidence in what I offer to 
be 100% Authentic! You work hard to build your collections, I work hard to 
offer the best available!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault






From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 13 21:45:42 2009
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:45:42 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where the ETs are hiding
Message-ID: <COL108-W29422C88B9CF37633343B49BC60@phx.gbl>


I see a cowboy holding his hat with his right hand.

carl



Glenn Skinner wrote:

                       >If you really want to know where ET is hiding it's on the moon, but
they are very tiny, take a close look at this 4mg speck of NEA001, do
you see the skeleton?


 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/

From bristolia at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 23:07:37 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:07:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The search for meteorite bits among the goose
	droppings
Message-ID: <494972.95557.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The search for meteorite bits among the goose droppings 
The Globe and Mail by C. Freeze and A. M. Paperny, Oct. 13, 2009

http://tiny.cc/MeteoritesGooseDroppings

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/the-search-for-meteorite-bits-among-the-goose-droppings/article1321365/

Astronomers Capture Spectacular Meteor Footage, Call 
for Public's Assistance, Scientific Computing, Oct. 13, 2009

http://tiny.cc/CanadianFireball 

http://www.scientificcomputing.com/news-DS-Astronomers-Capture-Spectacular-Meteor-Footage-Call-for-Public-Assistance-101309.aspx

Yours,

Paul H.







      


From Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de  Wed Oct 14 02:51:33 2009
From: Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de (Carsten Giessler)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:51:33 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions Ending Soon!
Message-ID: <4AD574F5.5040700@t-online.de>


Hello List,

i have a few auctions at ebay ending soon.
There is a CO3, a fresh L3, Capot Rey....

If you like take a look:
http://shop.ebay.com/gipometeorites/m.html?LH_Auction=1&_ipg=25&_trksid=p3911.c0.m301

Many thanks for viewing,

Carsten

-- 


Carsten Giessler

Gipometeorites - www.gi-po.de -
email: c-giessler at gi-po.de

Member of the Meteoritical Society
International Society for Meteoritics and Planetary Science

IMCA Member:3457
International Meteorite Collectors Association



From schroer at bigpond.com  Wed Oct 14 05:25:01 2009
From: schroer at bigpond.com (W&S Schroer)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:55:01 +1030
Subject: [meteorite-list]  vaca muerta
Message-ID: <C4F8D36923614F9893D414267923E66A@WERNER>

Hi list,
for a gorgeous piece of Vaca Muerta hop on a fast boat to China. It seems 
the strewn field needs to be revised urgently.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gorgeous-Mesosiderite-vaca-muerta-Meteorite-Stony-Iron_W0QQitemZ320432924387QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9b4a66e3

Cheers
Werner Schroer 



From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Wed Oct 14 10:04:35 2009
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (meteoriteshow at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:04:35 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending on Saturday
Message-ID: <1255529075.4ad5da7347750@imp.free.fr>

Dear Listees,

Our ebay auctions ending on Saturday can be seen at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZmeteoriteshow

They include:

1- Al Haggounia 001 PRIM. AUB. - 5.4g partslice
Partslice #004 weighing 7.4g, dimensions 50x22x2.7mm.
Cut in one of the freshest framents of Al Haggounia 001
Was splitted in 2 pieces along an oxydized vein while cutting, the 2 pieces
being together in this auction.
Shipped in a display box.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330366291093

2- EL AROUSS L-IMB (unclas.) - 205.5g slice
FULL SLICE weighing 205.5g, dimensions 149x123x5mm.
Huge vesiculated cavity through the wholeslice with a lot of smaller ones in a
"milky way" of metal flakes.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330366292047

3- NWA 4677 - 0.9g partslice #02 - EUCRITE
Classification - Dr Barrat UMR 6538 (Domaines Oc?aniques), U.B.O.-I.U.E.M.
(France)
PARTSLICE #02, weighing 0.9g, dimensions ~20.4x15.6x1.35mm.
Displays 2 lithologies and nice shock veins.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330366292385

4- OUED EL HADJAR - 1.8g frag - WITNESSED FALL!
CRUSTED Fragment weighing 1.8g, dimensions ~22x9x8mm.
~30% FUSION CRUSTED, many tiny chondrules in fair grey matrix.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330366293489

5- SAH 02503 CV3 - 0.4g partslice
Partslice weighing 0.4g, dimensions ~26x10x1mm.
Diplays nice CAIs and sharpely defined chondrules.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330366293650

6- SAHARAN OC #3017 - 320g individual
Individual weighing 320.3g - 74x56x54mm.
An chip shows big chondrules the rest of the meteorite is partially covered by a
weathered Fusion Crust.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330366293898

Thank you very much for watching and best wishes to ALL BIDDERS!!!
Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)


From cynapse at charter.net  Wed Oct 14 12:06:17 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:06:17 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] German meteor
In-Reply-To: <1255529075.4ad5da7347750@imp.free.fr>
References: <1255529075.4ad5da7347750@imp.free.fr>
Message-ID: <hktbd5homc64am9ju5g422rhj3nijhghi9@4ax.com>

Or der fallenspacenroker, as I believe the natives call it.  

Great photo in the link.

http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/10/13/ufo-scare-northern-germany/shooting-star-meteorite-creates-panic.html


From fujmon at mac.com  Wed Oct 14 10:25:01 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:25:01 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay Happy Birthday Bassi Sale
Message-ID: <350D25E0-33A0-4235-82FB-424F7A00E077@mac.com>

In celebration of the Bassikounou meteorite fall in Mauritania this  
week in 2006, I have a perfect Bassi up for auction ending this  
Saturday, October 17 at 8:59 PDT.  Here?s my lineup for this week?s  
offerings:

NWA x  23.55g thumbprinted beauty
NWA x  9.61g oriented with rollover lipping
Bassikounou H5,  3.77g  100% fresh FC
Chergach H5,  18.16g  90% fresh FC
Gao-Guenie H5,  14.15g perfect 2-stone lot
Allende CV3,  2.22g crusted individual
NWA x CV3,  12.35g complete individual
Camel Donga Euc,  4.3g flowlined beauty
NWA x Pal,  11.6g polished endcut
NWA x Possible Dio,  10.4g slice VESICLES
Olivine Bomb, 76.3g Awesome

http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

Trust the Big Kahuna to provide the highest quality meteorites for the  
lowest prices!

Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From GeoZay at aol.com  Wed Oct 14 11:41:39 2009
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:41:39 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] German meteor
Message-ID: <c01.6d1602b3.38074b33@aol.com>

>>Or der fallenspacenroker, as I believe  the natives call it.  <<
Sure glad the article is in English...the  only german word I know is 
"Stoppenfromfloppin" and that's for a womans bra.  :O)
>>Great photo in the link.<<
Indeed. the photo showing the  long wind twisted train is pretty neat.
GeoZay  



From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Oct 14 11:57:38 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:57:38 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today (In Case You Forgot !) *
	Highlights A Plenty*
Message-ID: <7216CEDB-5637-4844-B615-4382B6D9A1F9@gilanet.com>

Hello,

That's it for now....


SOME SPECIALS RIGHT NOW:

Wellman (C) Individual  646 gram, Reduced to  $1500.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190340115474

One Of The RAREST- 142g Complete Slice-GUJBA - This One Can be  
purchased for $7000.00, if you do not realize this is a deal - check  
around.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190340115467

For The Smaller Budget:

I have a 20% off All Meteorites in my meteorite category.



SEE ALL AT ONCE:

http://shop.ebay.com:80/meteorite-collector/m.html?LH_Auction

(When you get there, just click on the Auction Link to See Just  
Auctions)


SEE AMAZING HIGHLIGHTS BELOW:

New Fall- TAMDAKHT, H5, 56 gram, With Crust - A Fine Example with  
great fusion crust!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339545574

(ASH CREEK) The WEST, Texas Fall, L6, 31.69g - SUPER INDIVIDUAL!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489973015

Rare Meteorite Fall From Argentina, MALOTAS,H5, 41.50 g  _ VERY LOW  
KNOWN WEIGHT, RARE AND THE ONLY ONE I HAVE! THIS ONE IS VERY RARE FOLKS!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489952201

Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 2594 g - BIG BIG BIG SPECIMEN-  
LAST ONE I HAVE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339590226

(New) CV3, NWA 5546 From Africa, 46.49 gram - One of My Last Big Pieces.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390940838

Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes, 118g - LAST TIME I am  
Offering Big Pieces of Bondoc in Auction Like This! Don't wait.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339569109

(NEW) Ungrouped Ataxite, GRIFFITH, TX, 7.19g - Getting to my last ones!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390938897

Nice TOLUCA Iron Individual, Mexico, 817 g - BIG Toluca! Still very,  
very cheap!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391003637

Beautiful Sikhote-Alin Iron Individual, 38.8g - Extremely BEAUTIFUL  
Sikhote - Great Shape!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489988471

A Perfect MILLBILLILLIE Individual, 8.57g - MY LAST PERFECT INDIVIDUAL!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220490026766

Seldom Available LONG ISLAND, Kansas, 23.3g - ONLY ONE I HAVE TO OFFER!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489966245

Nice Specimen of NWA 869, L4-6, 190 gram - SUPER NICE AND SUPER CHEAP!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489964638

Rare NWA 2932, Mesosiderite, Nice! 6.20 gram - Pretty Specimen.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391025941

Individual From HENBURY, Australia, 1.87g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391103828

Outstanding Silicated Iron, NWA 5549, 4.39g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391106604

Choice Specimen From Northwest Africa-48.97g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339591101

CANYON DIABLO Individual, IAB Iron, 140 g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489969099

-Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes,2.83g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391025100

NWA 3118, Outstanding CV3, Nice 5.39 gram - Take A Look - Nice One.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391017339

Outstanding Silicated-Campo Del Cielo -52.93g - One of my Last Big  
Ones...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391004985

(NEW) NWA 4851, L6 With Shock Lines, 40.17g NICE NICE SLICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339550506

SAYH AL UHAYMIR 001, L4/5, Oman, 47.20 gram - A GOOD ONE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339647925

Rare Low Total Known Weight-YORKTOWN, Texas- Last piece I have.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339578014

(New) Fall, CHERGACH, Mali, Individual, 1.62g CUTE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339593471

Extremely Rare-WABAR, Saudi Arabia, 1.47 g  BOYS AND GIRLS THIS IS RARE
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390965512

Rare & Low TKW, DAVY (B), Texas, H4, 3.00g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339596680

Choice Specimen From Northwest Africa-71.83g - Nice Piece and CHEAP!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339594260

(New) NWA 5059, L4, 92 gram, *Good Price*
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391018320

LA LUZ, New Mexico, H4, MAIN MASS, 3518 gram - It really does not get  
any cheape for an American Main Mass/Classified and Listed In The  
Bulletin. One could still take about ~1500 grams of slices off this  
one and still have the Main Mass!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220490222851

Choice Specimen From Northwest Africa-71.83g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339594260

(New) Olivine Diogenite-NWA 5480, 346 gram - I am selling this for  
LESS than I paid. My loss your gain.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391145655

Meteorite Beautiful Iron, Sweden, MUONIONALUSTA, 418g - THE LARGEST  
INCLUSION OF ANY SLICE OF MUON THAT I HAVE SEEN!  AMAZING DISPLAY  
SPECIMEN!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200392132050

(New) CV3, NWA 5546 From Africa, 46.49 gram
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390940838




For Those Of You Who Like Gold & Silver .....

1913 Indian Head Gold Coin $5- NGC -AU55 - SUPER PRETTY $5.00 Gold Coin!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489993297

1913 Indian Head Gold Coin $2 1/2 Quarter Eagle PCGS
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200391007152

1856 Indian Princess Gold One Dollar Coin- PCGS- MS62 - Worth OVER  
$600.00 +
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390980613

Mineral Specimen of NATIVE SILVER-Alhambra Mine, NM. #6 - THESE ARE  
BEAUTIFUL SPECIMENS OF NATIVE SILVER AND EXTREMELY RARE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=20039098403

1910 Indian Head Gold Coin $2 1/2 Quarter Eagle AU/BU
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390954618

1912 Indian Head Gold Coin $2 1/2 Quarter Eagle PCGS
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339579101

Mineral Specimen of NATIVE SILVER-Alhambra Mine, NM. #5
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220489995205

*** MUST SEE THIS BEAUTY***  GOOD OFFERS CONSIDERED *****
One of The Finest Gold Nuggets You Will Ever See - 276g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220493082896



FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO LIKE ARTIFACTS ....

Neolithic Points/Blade/Arrowhead- (100) w/Book #3
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390971848

CHECK OUT THE CHLORIDE FLATS- NEW MEXICO PALEOLITHIC MATERIAL, This is  
a site on my property and may be one of the oldest in the United  
States. A serious discovery...

Paleolithic Tool From New Mexico - ~15,000 B.P. -CF117
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190339573907

Paleolithic Tools From New Mexico - 25+ Artifacts #1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200390959504



and many others....


Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael


From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 13:29:53 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:29:53 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Rummage Sale - Now is the winter of my
	cabinet's discontent! - AD
Message-ID: <e51421550910141029p17cb7accwc3d89f1fec37cf10@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Listees and Meteorite Aficionados!

I need to clear out a few things to organize my collection and trim
down the surplus to a manageable level.  (and free up some much-need
cash to boot)

The prices below represent my best price.  Some of these items have
been offered previously, but not at these low prices.  All prices
include shipping to anywhere on the planet (unless otherwise noted).
To see photos or inquire, contact me offlist at -
meteoritemike at gmail.com

1) Meteorite Magazine 2008 - all 4 issues from 2008 in excellent to
mint condition.  ---> $50

2) Pile of MAPS Journals - 4 different journals from 2009 with the
latest meteorite research.  ---> $40
(these are heavy and not cheap to ship)

3) Book - "Collision Earth - Meteorite and Comet Impacts" by Peter
Grego (hardcover) ----> $12

4) Book - "Moldavite - Starborn Stone of Transformation" by Simmons
and Warner.  This is "New Age" treatment of Moldavite.  ----> $10

5) NWA 869 slices - I have several.  Buy one, get another free.  (of
equal or lesser value)

6) Moldavite - faceted gemstones, average 1 carat each - all four
stones ----> $40

7) Fossilized Sea Shells - assortment of 13 ------> $20

8) Neolithic-period arrowheads from NWA -----> $15 each.

9) Tucson Show Guides from 2008 and 2009 ----> $10 for all.

10) Trinitite - I have about 100 grams of tiny pieces that are too
small to sell individually.  These are about .25 to .5 grams each.
------> $50

11) 25% off everything else in my online store - http://www.galactic-stone.com

(use coupon code "metlist" at checkout to get the discount)

Thanks for looking and clear skies!

MikeG

-- 
.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone
eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle
..........................................................


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Oct 14 14:57:31 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:57:31 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
Message-ID: <35FB9187-BF25-40A0-B410-8549BB72E300@gilanet.com>

Hello,

This is a post, via the list to myself.

DUDE - You have to stop sending so many sales posts to the list. I  
mean stop it. You must have sent at least 5 or more in the last 10  
days. You have broken the list rules several times over! Now stop it.   
Do you not have any respect for the people of this list. Most of us  
could care less about buying your meteorites and yet you seem to think  
that people on this list want to buy meteorites-especially yours.   
Over and over you post, trying to come up with all types of sales to  
drag people over to your ebay store to buy your meteorites. Just  
because you have 100's of specimens to choose from does not give you  
the right to post more than 1 ad a week. Please try and stay with the  
policy. Please.

Your alter and rational pleading self

Michael Cottingham

PS.

If you can go without posting to the list for at least 7 days (Ads  
that is) I will give you a free meteorite!


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 16:11:15 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
In-Reply-To: <35FB9187-BF25-40A0-B410-8549BB72E300@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <280812.48433.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

But wait!!!
you forgot this:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteorite-collectorQQhtZ-1

and for those who want even more, here are some other great meteorites for sale:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfujmonQQhtZ-1
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZmeteoriteshow

Hope everyone is having a great day!

Greg C.


--- On Wed, 10/14/09, michael cottingham <mikewren at gilanet.com> wrote:

> From: michael cottingham <mikewren at gilanet.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 2:57 PM
> Hello,
> 
> This is a post, via the list to myself.
> 
> DUDE - You have to stop sending so many sales posts to the
> list. I mean stop it. You must have sent at least 5 or more
> in the last 10 days. You have broken the list rules several
> times over! Now stop it.? Do you not have any respect
> for the people of this list. Most of us could care less
> about buying your meteorites and yet you seem to think that
> people on this list want to buy meteorites-especially
> yours.? Over and over you post, trying to come up with
> all types of sales to drag people over to your ebay store to
> buy your meteorites. Just because you have 100's of
> specimens to choose from does not give you the right to post
> more than 1 ad a week. Please try and stay with the policy.
> Please.
> 
> Your alter and rational pleading self
> 
> Michael Cottingham
> 
> PS.
> 
> If you can go without posting to the list for at least 7
> days (Ads that is) I will give you a free meteorite!
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


      


From bencubbin at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 14 16:15:03 2009
From: bencubbin at hotmail.com (Howard Steffic)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:15:03 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
In-Reply-To: <35FB9187-BF25-40A0-B410-8549BB72E300@gilanet.com>
References: <35FB9187-BF25-40A0-B410-8549BB72E300@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <COL121-W51C405EDF8EC3F34FA3FA0B7C60@phx.gbl>


5 sales posts in the last 10 days?  You need to learn how to count, it is 10 sales posts so far this month (14 days).
 
Bill Kies is correct you are treating this list as your own personal ad spamming service.

Howard Steffic 


> From: mikewren at gilanet.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:57:31 -0700
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This is a post, via the list to myself.
> 
> DUDE - You have to stop sending so many sales posts to the list. I 
> mean stop it. You must have sent at least 5 or more in the last 10 
> days. You have broken the list rules several times over! Now stop it. 
> Do you not have any respect for the people of this list. Most of us 
> could care less about buying your meteorites and yet you seem to think 
> that people on this list want to buy meteorites-especially yours. 
> Over and over you post, trying to come up with all types of sales to 
> drag people over to your ebay store to buy your meteorites. Just 
> because you have 100's of specimens to choose from does not give you 
> the right to post more than 1 ad a week. Please try and stay with the 
> policy. Please.
> 
> Your alter and rational pleading self
> 
> Michael Cottingham
> 
> PS.
> 
> If you can go without posting to the list for at least 7 days (Ads 
> that is) I will give you a free meteorite!
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 14 17:41:50 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:41:50 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia
Message-ID: <SNT117-W36169367F6BD44B7C29A65D2C60@phx.gbl>


List:

The company I work for is doing a project in Australia and I'm coordinating the placement of some of our instruments.? As I looked at the map in GoogleEarth, I notice (what looks like dry lakes) throughout the country; does anyone look for meteorites on dry lakes in Australia?

Greg S.
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/

From whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 19:04:47 2009
From: whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com (Dave Myers)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:04:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ads,
Message-ID: <743973.99559.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I joined this list in May, and just started collecting meteorites at that time,

I have bought all my meteorites from Eric Wickman, and on the list, I have gotten great free samples from Steve Arnold, Chicago!

I do not know any of them or any of you, But If I may say,  people posting 
ads on here of meteorites for sale, (with there pictures and class) has given me more info, than 38% of the other post!.... I KNOW I AM A NEWBE, AND AS OF NOW THIS IS MY RESOURCE OF LEARNING, WHAT-IS WHAT.....I need to see lots of Pictures  and what the classifacation is for that picture!

So just not sure what the big deal is, with so little people posting Ads 
compared to all the other post on here!

Dave Myers
Cincinnati 


      


From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 19:07:28 2009
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:07:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] a new martian nakhlite nwa5790
Message-ID: <879516.16765.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

hi all
i m very happy to announce  a very rare nakhlite has been discovred and classified, 
its nwa 5790 ;

here is the classification and photo

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/page3/

thanks
aziz habibi

Proposed Name	NWA 5790			Geographic Coordinates1

City, County, province/state and Country Erfoud, Morocco
Find: 2009
Major classification (group) Martian (nakhlite)



History: Found in the desert by nomads and purchased by A. Habibi in Erfoud. 
Physical characteristics: Two (136 + 9) g stones with millimetric phenocrysts in a groundmass with pinkish luster. Very friable.
Petrography: (A. Jambon, O. Boudouma, D. Badia, UPVI )
Millimetric euhedral dominant augite zoned over 10 micrormeter at the rim. Subsidiary euhedral olivine phenocrysts of similar size, zoned to their core. Intersitital mesostasis contains dendritic oxides pyroxene, feldspar, silica and glass. Mode from BSE images : Augite : 51.2, olivine 9.1, mesostasis 39.7, titanomagnetite <1%.

Mineral compositions (SEM and EMPA; as above) and geochemistry (ICP-MS; J-A Barrat UBO): zoned augite core (En35?Fs24 Wo40 and Fe/Mn = 32) sharp rim  (En20Fs43 Wo36 and Fe/Mn = 42), olivine progressively zoned from the core (Fa65 with Fe/Mn = 47) to the rim (Fa80 with Fe/Mn = 40). Rare Ti-magnetite phenocrysts Uv32Mt56Sp7Ct4 with fine ilmenite exsolutions.
In the mesostasis dendritic crystals of Ti Magnetite : Uv52-74Mt38-19, acicular pyroxene  (En7Fs47Wo46 and Fe/Mn = 55) and olivine Fa88. Plagioclase An16Ab79Or5; 

Bulk major-element chemistry  similar to other nakhlites; element ratios confirm martian origin (K/La =473, Ga/Al =3.7 104); significantly higher proportion of mesostasis than other nakhlites with the highest Th, U and rare earth elements (REE) concentrations ever reported for a nakhlite ( e.g. , Th = 0.85 ppm); REE pattern characterized by a strong light REE enrichment (La/Yb)n =5.8, and Eu/Eu* = 0.86.
 Oxygen isotopes (R. Greenwood and I. Franchi, OU ): ?17 O = ?. 

Type specimens: A total sample mass of 20 g, are on deposit at UPVI ; main mass, Habibi .

habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170


      


From meteorites at optushome.com.au  Wed Oct 14 19:23:39 2009
From: meteorites at optushome.com.au (Norbert & Heike Kammel)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:23:39 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W36169367F6BD44B7C29A65D2C60@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT117-W36169367F6BD44B7C29A65D2C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AD65D7B.60909@optushome.com.au>

Hi Greg,

good luck with meteorite hunting here Down-Under. I have to mention our 
stringent laws in this matter, but you may just find an odd looking 'rock'?

The dry lakes you notice on GoogleEarth nearly all of them are dry salt 
lakes. You must be very lucky to find a just freshly fallen rock, 
otherwise it would be crusted with salt crystals - not to recognize and 
destroyed by the salt. That is just my bit of experience.
But there are surely some smaller clay pans, certainly worth to have a 
look at.
May be you find a nice flanged button tektite? They are exempt from the 
otherwise required export permit!

Anyway, have a nice time here in Australia.

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com

Greg Stanley wrote:
> List:
>
> The company I work for is doing a project in Australia and I'm coordinating the placement of some of our instruments.  As I looked at the map in GoogleEarth, I notice (what looks like dry lakes) throughout the country; does anyone look for meteorites on dry lakes in Australia?
>
> Greg S.
>  		 	   		  
> _________________________________________________________________
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Oct 14 19:34:04 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:34:04 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ads,
In-Reply-To: <743973.99559.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <743973.99559.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AD65FEC.7030501@meteoritesusa.com>

Howdy Dave,

Good to see you posting on list. As far as the ads go, some people just 
don't like seeing them in their email box. Apparently they forget where 
their delete key is. Yeah that's a dig at all you ad haters out there. 
How do you spell that thing when you stick your tongue out and expel 
air...?

PPPPLLLLLLLLGGGGGGHHHHHH!

Anyway, if Cottingham can talk to his alter ago via email I can stick my 
tongue out to all the ad-haters. There's a lot worse things about this 
business than a few meteorites for sale ads posted on a meteorite email 
list.

I'm all for ads of course because I sell them myself, but it's more 
about getting newbies to the business and increasing awareness. Like 
Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men said a while back. I'm paraphrasing of 
course. Screw splitting the meteorite pie into smaller pieces, just make 
the pie bigger. You do that by getting more people involved. More people 
getting interested about meteorites through collecting will spread the 
word and make meteorites more mainstream.

So with all that, I'd like to simply say, to heck with it, and if 
someone wants to post ads about meteorites let them post all they want. 
This breeds more collectors, and more collectors eventually mean 
meteorite will become mainstream, and that means the people getting 
involved now may themselves become scientists and perhaps even inspire 
their children to do so as well.

Of course then you have the dorks who just want to whine about emails 
they don't want to read. Well, for them I have a suggestion.  Don't read 
it...

For everyone else, glad to have you as a customer. If I can help I will, 
or perhaps Cottingham can provide all you newbie collectors with some 
meteorites. http://stores.shop.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY 
He's got a great selection!

Enjoy...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA








Dave Myers wrote:
> I joined this list in May, and just started collecting meteorites at that time,
>
> I have bought all my meteorites from Eric Wickman, and on the list, I have gotten great free samples from Steve Arnold, Chicago!
>
> I do not know any of them or any of you, But If I may say,  people posting 
> ads on here of meteorites for sale, (with there pictures and class) has given me more info, than 38% of the other post!.... I KNOW I AM A NEWBE, AND AS OF NOW THIS IS MY RESOURCE OF LEARNING, WHAT-IS WHAT.....I need to see lots of Pictures  and what the classifacation is for that picture!
>
> So just not sure what the big deal is, with so little people posting Ads 
> compared to all the other post on here!
>
> Dave Myers
> Cincinnati 
>
>
>       
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>   



From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Oct 14 19:49:50 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:49:50 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
In-Reply-To: <47CD21D98F9049C191AFB441B544A053@laptop>
References: <35FB9187-BF25-40A0-B410-8549BB72E300@gilanet.com>
	<47CD21D98F9049C191AFB441B544A053@laptop>
Message-ID: <9A96E523-915A-4B28-99DC-9C5DE51546DB@gilanet.com>

Heck Peck...

If you can do that, then you can go into my ebay store and find  
yourself a Texas Meteorite...

Best Wishes

Michael
On Oct 14, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Pete Shugar wrote:

> Michael,
> If I can go a whole week without looking at even one
> of your ads, can I get a free Texas meteorite?
> I promise on boy scouts honor not to peek at even one post.
> Pete IMCA 1733
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham" <mikewren at gilanet.com 
> >
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:57 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
>
>
>> Hello,
>> This is a post, via the list to myself.
>> DUDE - You have to stop sending so many sales posts to the list. I   
>> mean stop it. You must have sent at least 5 or more in the last 10   
>> days. You have broken the list rules several times over! Now stop  
>> it.   Do you not have any respect for the people of this list. Most  
>> of us  could care less about buying your meteorites and yet you  
>> seem to think  that people on this list want to buy meteorites- 
>> especially yours.   Over and over you post, trying to come up with  
>> all types of sales to  drag people over to your ebay store to buy  
>> your meteorites. Just  because you have 100's of specimens to  
>> choose from does not give you  the right to post more than 1 ad a  
>> week. Please try and stay with the  policy. Please.
>> Your alter and rational pleading self
>> Michael Cottingham
>> PS.
>> If you can go without posting to the list for at least 7 days (Ads   
>> that is) I will give you a free meteorite!
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list



From darryl at dof3.com  Wed Oct 14 19:41:19 2009
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:41:19 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW NAKHLITE / NWA 5790
In-Reply-To: <879516.16765.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <879516.16765.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <449C16A4-0A93-42CA-B497-A31ECD356743@dof3.com>



And I'm happy to announce my gladly entertaining serious inquiries for  
specimens of the same.     ;-)




On Oct 14, 2009, at 7:07 PM, habibi abdelaziz wrote:

> hi all
> i m very happy to announce  a very rare nakhlite has been discovred  
> and classified,
> its nwa 5790 ;
>
> here is the classification and photo
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/page3/
>
> thanks
> aziz habibi
>
> Proposed Name	NWA 5790			Geographic Coordinates1
>
> City, County, province/state and Country Erfoud, Morocco
> Find: 2009
> Major classification (group) Martian (nakhlite)
>
>
>
> History: Found in the desert by nomads and purchased by A. Habibi in  
> Erfoud.
> Physical characteristics: Two (136 + 9) g stones with millimetric  
> phenocrysts in a groundmass with pinkish luster. Very friable.
> Petrography: (A. Jambon, O. Boudouma, D. Badia, UPVI )
> Millimetric euhedral dominant augite zoned over 10 micrormeter at  
> the rim. Subsidiary euhedral olivine phenocrysts of similar size,  
> zoned to their core. Intersitital mesostasis contains dendritic  
> oxides pyroxene, feldspar, silica and glass. Mode from BSE images :  
> Augite : 51.2, olivine 9.1, mesostasis 39.7, titanomagnetite <1%.
>
> Mineral compositions (SEM and EMPA; as above) and geochemistry (ICP- 
> MS; J-A Barrat UBO): zoned augite core (En35?Fs24 Wo40 and Fe/Mn =  
> 32) sharp rim  (En20Fs43 Wo36 and Fe/Mn = 42), olivine progressively  
> zoned from the core (Fa65 with Fe/Mn = 47) to the rim (Fa80 with Fe/ 
> Mn = 40). Rare Ti-magnetite phenocrysts Uv32Mt56Sp7Ct4 with fine  
> ilmenite exsolutions.
> In the mesostasis dendritic crystals of Ti Magnetite :  
> Uv52-74Mt38-19, acicular pyroxene  (En7Fs47Wo46 and Fe/Mn = 55) and  
> olivine Fa88. Plagioclase An16Ab79Or5;
>
> Bulk major-element chemistry  similar to other nakhlites; element  
> ratios confirm martian origin (K/La =473, Ga/Al =3.7 104);  
> significantly higher proportion of mesostasis than other nakhlites  
> with the highest Th, U and rare earth elements (REE) concentrations  
> ever reported for a nakhlite ( e.g. , Th = 0.85 ppm); REE pattern  
> characterized by a strong light REE enrichment (La/Yb)n =5.8, and Eu/ 
> Eu* = 0.86.
> Oxygen isotopes (R. Greenwood and I. Franchi, OU ): ?17 O = ?.
>
> Type specimens: A total sample mass of 20 g, are on deposit at  
> UPVI ; main mass, Habibi .
>
> habibi aziz
> box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
> phone. 21235576145
> fax.21235576170
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list



From pshugar at clearwire.net  Wed Oct 14 19:47:20 2009
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:47:20 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
References: <35FB9187-BF25-40A0-B410-8549BB72E300@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <47CD21D98F9049C191AFB441B544A053@laptop>

Michael,
If I can go a whole week without looking at even one
of your ads, can I get a free Texas meteorite?
I promise on boy scouts honor not to peek at even one post.
Pete IMCA 1733

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cottingham" <mikewren at gilanet.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !


> Hello,
> 
> This is a post, via the list to myself.
> 
> DUDE - You have to stop sending so many sales posts to the list. I  
> mean stop it. You must have sent at least 5 or more in the last 10  
> days. You have broken the list rules several times over! Now stop it.   
> Do you not have any respect for the people of this list. Most of us  
> could care less about buying your meteorites and yet you seem to think  
> that people on this list want to buy meteorites-especially yours.   
> Over and over you post, trying to come up with all types of sales to  
> drag people over to your ebay store to buy your meteorites. Just  
> because you have 100's of specimens to choose from does not give you  
> the right to post more than 1 ad a week. Please try and stay with the  
> policy. Please.
> 
> Your alter and rational pleading self
> 
> Michael Cottingham
> 
> PS.
> 
> If you can go without posting to the list for at least 7 days (Ads  
> that is) I will give you a free meteorite!
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


From garychase at live.com  Wed Oct 14 21:03:08 2009
From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:03:08 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ads,
In-Reply-To: <4AD65FEC.7030501@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <743973.99559.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W43F56DBB14194145933579D2C50@phx.gbl>


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Did any anyone ever consider that Cottingham may have originally come from =
Nigeria?
=20
Ok=2C Eric.  I say why just let one dealer post all the ads he wants?  Ever=
ybody that sells on ebay or has a website should post an ad on the list eve=
ry day and a half.  We will all be so smart concerning meteorites that we w=
ill all have PHDs.
=20
Cottingham's prices are among the highest around.  How would you like to be=
 the sucker that pushes the buy it now button on the Gujba at $12000 only t=
o discover this list and see that the real price is $7000-  That would sure=
 leave a sour taste in my mouth=2C how about you?   Reminds me of the retai=
ler that has a 50% off sale the day after he marks up his inventory 100%
=20
Spare me the argument that sales educate the uneducated public because it i=
s as much BS as the newbies selling UNCLASSIFIED NWA meteorites because the=
y are too cheap or lazy to get the proper classification.
=20
So lets go dealers=2C take Eric up on his offer and say to hell with the ru=
les and start posting away with the ads.
=20
Gary
> Date: Wed=2C 14 Oct 2009 16:34:04 -0700
> From: eric at meteoritesusa.com
> To: whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ads=2C
>=20
> Howdy Dave=2C
>=20
> Good to see you posting on list. As far as the ads go=2C some people just=
=20
> don't like seeing them in their email box. Apparently they forget where=20
> their delete key is. Yeah that's a dig at all you ad haters out there.=20
> How do you spell that thing when you stick your tongue out and expel=20
> air...?
>=20
> PPPPLLLLLLLLGGGGGGHHHHHH!
>=20
> Anyway=2C if Cottingham can talk to his alter ago via email I can stick m=
y=20
> tongue out to all the ad-haters. There's a lot worse things about this=20
> business than a few meteorites for sale ads posted on a meteorite email=20
> list.
>=20
> I'm all for ads of course because I sell them myself=2C but it's more=20
> about getting newbies to the business and increasing awareness. Like=20
> Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men said a while back. I'm paraphrasing of=20
> course. Screw splitting the meteorite pie into smaller pieces=2C just mak=
e=20
> the pie bigger. You do that by getting more people involved. More people=
=20
> getting interested about meteorites through collecting will spread the=20
> word and make meteorites more mainstream.
>=20
> So with all that=2C I'd like to simply say=2C to heck with it=2C and if=20
> someone wants to post ads about meteorites let them post all they want.=20
> This breeds more collectors=2C and more collectors eventually mean=20
> meteorite will become mainstream=2C and that means the people getting=20
> involved now may themselves become scientists and perhaps even inspire=20
> their children to do so as well.
>=20
> Of course then you have the dorks who just want to whine about emails=20
> they don't want to read. Well=2C for them I have a suggestion. Don't read=
=20
> it...
>=20
> For everyone else=2C glad to have you as a customer. If I can help I will=
=2C=20
> or perhaps Cottingham can provide all you newbie collectors with some=20
> meteorites. http://stores.shop.ebay.com/VOYAGE-BOTANICA-NATURAL-HISTORY=20
> He's got a great selection!
>=20
> Enjoy...
>=20
> Regards=2C
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Dave Myers wrote:
>> I joined this list in May=2C and just started collecting meteorites at t=
hat time=2C
>>
>> I have bought all my meteorites from Eric Wickman=2C and on the list=2C =
I have gotten great free samples from Steve Arnold=2C Chicago!
>>
>> I do not know any of them or any of you=2C But If I may say=2C people po=
sting=20
>> ads on here of meteorites for sale=2C (with there pictures and class) ha=
s given me more info=2C than 38% of the other post!.... I KNOW I AM A NEWBE=
=2C AND AS OF NOW THIS IS MY RESOURCE OF LEARNING=2C WHAT-IS WHAT.....I nee=
d to see lots of Pictures and what the classifacation is for that picture!
>>
>> So just not sure what the big deal is=2C with so little people posting A=
ds=20
>> compared to all the other post on here!
>>
>> Dave Myers
>> Cincinnati=20
>>
>>
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From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 14 21:32:27 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:32:27 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
In-Reply-To: <35FB9187-BF25-40A0-B410-8549BB72E300@gilanet.com>
References: <35FB9187-BF25-40A0-B410-8549BB72E300@gilanet.com>
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Personally I have no problems with the adds. :) 

Regards 
-----------
Melanie
IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09

Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get!






----------------------------------------
> From: mikewren at gilanet.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:57:31 -0700
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
>
> Hello,
>
> This is a post, via the list to myself.
>
> DUDE - You have to stop sending so many sales posts to the list. I
> mean stop it. You must have sent at least 5 or more in the last 10
> days. You have broken the list rules several times over! Now stop it.
> Do you not have any respect for the people of this list. Most of us
> could care less about buying your meteorites and yet you seem to think
> that people on this list want to buy meteorites-especially yours.
> Over and over you post, trying to come up with all types of sales to
> drag people over to your ebay store to buy your meteorites. Just
> because you have 100's of specimens to choose from does not give you
> the right to post more than 1 ad a week. Please try and stay with the
> policy. Please.
>
> Your alter and rational pleading self
>
> Michael Cottingham
>
> PS.
>
> If you can go without posting to the list for at least 7 days (Ads
> that is) I will give you a free meteorite!
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 14 21:59:50 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:59:50 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
References: <35FB9187-BF25-40A0-B410-8549BB72E300@gilanet.com>
	<BLU137-W760CA8999FC52D07A5A3DD6C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E260A2FA6F144490A56280A5CF5F3677@D190TH71>

Me neither, Mel.
The bitching and moaning sure gets old though!
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Melanie Matthews" <spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !


>
> Personally I have no problems with the adds. :)
>
> Regards
> -----------
> Melanie
> IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>
> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know 
> what you're gonna get!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:57:31 -0700
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> This is a post, via the list to myself.
>>
>> DUDE - You have to stop sending so many sales posts to the list. I
>> mean stop it. You must have sent at least 5 or more in the last 10
>> days. You have broken the list rules several times over! Now stop it.
>> Do you not have any respect for the people of this list. Most of us
>> could care less about buying your meteorites and yet you seem to think
>> that people on this list want to buy meteorites-especially yours.
>> Over and over you post, trying to come up with all types of sales to
>> drag people over to your ebay store to buy your meteorites. Just
>> because you have 100's of specimens to choose from does not give you
>> the right to post more than 1 ad a week. Please try and stay with the
>> policy. Please.
>>
>> Your alter and rational pleading self
>>
>> Michael Cottingham
>>
>> PS.
>>
>> If you can go without posting to the list for at least 7 days (Ads
>> that is) I will give you a free meteorite!
>> ______________________________________________
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>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 14 22:03:35 2009
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:03:35 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Welcome Dave!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.32.1255570649.78148.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.32.1255570649.78148.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <COL108-W22093B15315B45710CB5849BC50@phx.gbl>


Hi Dave,

Welcome! I agree with you. But it's not only the pictures that we learn from, I also read the descriptions that go with them. What I think it all boils down to is the amount of exposure we newbies can get. I can read and look at pictures all day but a week later I'll forget. These ads help me remember, not to mention some of the great deals I've gotten. Getting PHDs from viewing ads are a bit of a stretch but by using the delete key we not only easily eliminate ads but also the cynicism. Works both ways. This list is full of great people whether they sell or not. The knowledge and experience here is enormous. Just ask questions.

See you on the list. Carl





Dave Meyers wrote:
>
> I joined this list in May, and just started collecting meteorites at that time,
>
> I have bought all my meteorites from Eric Wickman, and on the list, I have gotten great free samples from Steve Arnold, Chicago!
>
> I do not know any of them or any of you, But If I may say, people posting
> ads on here of meteorites for sale, (with there pictures and class) has given me more info, than 38% of the other post!.... I KNOW I AM A NEWBE, AND AS OF NOW THIS IS MY RESOURCE OF LEARNING, WHAT-IS WHAT.....I need to see lots of Pictures and what the classifacation is for that picture!
>
> So just not sure what the big deal is, with so little people posting Ads
> compared to all the other post on here!


 		 	   		  
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 22:18:11 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:18:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MC'S adds    (AD)
Message-ID: <720927.50920.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good evening list.I have been on this list since 2001.I know that there are a certain group that believe in the 9 rules that govern this list should be adhere to without question.I know that I have taken advantage of the rules and and have made to many posts.But in the 10 years of collecting,I have never met mike cottingham,but his ad's do not bother me.He is only trying to sell his wares.I hope at tucson 2010 I finally have the chance to meet him.I have bought alot of items from him and even talked several times on the phone.He knows what he is doing.Also I have a 90 gram sikhote-alin forsale with the ultimate flow lines for an sa.$300 will take it home also with free shipping.Also when I got my "ACE" tatoo I know I should have gotten something meteorite related.So next week I am getting a flaming meteorite tatoo. So stay tuned.As for the sa piece,off list please.
Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Oct 14 22:27:29 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:27:29 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] MC'S adds    (AD)
In-Reply-To: <720927.50920.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <720927.50920.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EC1F6349-ED99-407A-860F-385443966D1B@gilanet.com>

Hello,

Steve DO NOT SELL YOUR METEORITE TATOO ON EBAY - That will be the  
final straw man! Just kidding.

Best Wishes

Michael
On Oct 14, 2009, at 7:18 PM, steve arnold wrote:

> Good evening list.I have been on this list since 2001.I know that  
> there are a certain group that believe in the 9 rules that govern  
> this list should be adhere to without question.I know that I have  
> taken advantage of the rules and and have made to many posts.But in  
> the 10 years of collecting,I have never met mike cottingham,but his  
> ad's do not bother me.He is only trying to sell his wares.I hope at  
> tucson 2010 I finally have the chance to meet him.I have bought alot  
> of items from him and even talked several times on the phone.He  
> knows what he is doing.Also I have a 90 gram sikhote-alin forsale  
> with the ultimate flow lines for an sa.$300 will take it home also  
> with free shipping.Also when I got my "ACE" tatoo I know I should  
> have gotten something meteorite related.So next week I am getting a  
> flaming meteorite tatoo. So stay tuned.As for the sa piece,off list  
> please.
> Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!!
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list



From grf2 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 22:31:47 2009
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:31:47 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
References: <35FB9187-BF25-40A0-B410-8549BB72E300@gilanet.com>
	<BLU137-W760CA8999FC52D07A5A3DD6C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9527F390C1F747AFA3CE5953C2E8A062@ASUS>

Me too hitting the delete key is a lot simpler once that the twenty x's all 
this chatter produces

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Melanie Matthews" <spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:32 PM
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !

>
> Personally I have no problems with the adds. :)
>
> Regards
> -----------
> Melanie
> IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>
> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know 
> what you're gonna get!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:57:31 -0700
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> This is a post, via the list to myself.
>>
>> DUDE - You have to stop sending so many sales posts to the list. I
>> mean stop it. You must have sent at least 5 or more in the last 10
>> days. You have broken the list rules several times over! Now stop it.
>> Do you not have any respect for the people of this list. Most of us
>> could care less about buying your meteorites and yet you seem to think
>> that people on this list want to buy meteorites-especially yours.
>> Over and over you post, trying to come up with all types of sales to
>> drag people over to your ebay store to buy your meteorites. Just
>> because you have 100's of specimens to choose from does not give you
>> the right to post more than 1 ad a week. Please try and stay with the
>> policy. Please.
>>
>> Your alter and rational pleading self
>>
>> Michael Cottingham
>>
>> PS.
>>
>> If you can go without posting to the list for at least 7 days (Ads
>> that is) I will give you a free meteorite!
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
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From garychase at live.com  Wed Oct 14 22:42:53 2009
From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:42:53 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] MC'S adds    (AD)
In-Reply-To: <720927.50920.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <720927.50920.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W1601A2673B361688417CDFD2C50@phx.gbl>



Steve:
 
Is this the same 90 gram SA that you were selling on ebay for $500- (item# 290354561081)
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290354561081
 
Which was the same SA that you bought for $600- less about a month ago which you said was the best oriented SA you ever saw?
 
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2009-September/056438.html
 
 
If so, that is a great deal and for sure we like Ads of meteorites FORSALE like this.  Thanks Steve
 
Gary
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:18:11 -0700
> From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] MC'S adds (AD)
> 
> Good evening list.I have been on this list since 2001.I know that there are a certain group that believe in the 9 rules that govern this list should be adhere to without question.I know that I have taken advantage of the rules and and have made to many posts.But in the 10 years of collecting,I have never met mike cottingham,but his ad's do not bother me.He is only trying to sell his wares.I hope at tucson 2010 I finally have the chance to meet him.I have bought alot of items from him and even talked several times on the phone.He knows what he is doing.Also I have a 90 gram sikhote-alin forsale with the ultimate flow lines for an sa.$300 will take it home also with free shipping.Also when I got my "ACE" tatoo I know I should have gotten something meteorite related.So next week I am getting a flaming meteorite tatoo. So stay tuned.As for the sa piece,off list please.
> Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Oct 14 22:55:58 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:55:58 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] MC'S adds    (AD)
In-Reply-To: <720927.50920.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <720927.50920.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AD68F3E.8010904@meteoritesusa.com>

Hey Steve,

I didn't know meteorites were flaming... ;)

(kidding)

Regards,
Eric


steve arnold wrote:
> Good evening list.I have been on this list since 2001.I know that there are a certain group that believe in the 9 rules that govern this list should be adhere to without question.I know that I have taken advantage of the rules and and have made to many posts.But in the 10 years of collecting,I have never met mike cottingham,but his ad's do not bother me.He is only trying to sell his wares.I hope at tucson 2010 I finally have the chance to meet him.I have bought alot of items from him and even talked several times on the phone.He knows what he is doing.Also I have a 90 gram sikhote-alin forsale with the ultimate flow lines for an sa.$300 will take it home also with free shipping.Also when I got my "ACE" tatoo I know I should have gotten something meteorite related.So next week I am getting a flaming meteorite tatoo. So stay tuned.As for the sa piece,off list please.
> Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Oct 14 23:00:32 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:00:32 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ads,
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W43F56DBB14194145933579D2C50@phx.gbl>
References: <743973.99559.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<COL106-W43F56DBB14194145933579D2C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AD69050.3040804@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Gary, List,

Honestly, That's not really what I meant but hey, whatever... ;) If 
people want to post away then they should, there are rules and they 
should be adhered to, but they're not.

And who cares that Cottingham's prices are higher than most, he has more 
high quality classified meteorites than most and can price them any way 
he wants. If I want to charge $1000/g for a West Texas (Ash Creek) I'll 
do it but that doesn't mean I'll get it. Besides that Michael is a fair 
guy and will most likely give you a fair deal if you're smart enough to 
ask for one. I'll leave the "too lazy to get classification" comment 
alone as it doesn't deserve a lengthy response other than. Do what? 
(Rhetorical of course)

I'll spare you the argument but not to spare the ads, I'll post away!

Regards,
Eric



Gary Chase wrote:
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>
> Did any anyone ever consider that Cottingham may have originally come from =
> Nigeria?
> =20
> Ok=2C Eric.  I say why just let one dealer post all the ads he wants?  Ever=
> ybody that sells on ebay or has a website should post an ad on the list eve=
> ry day and a half.  We will all be so smart concerning meteorites that we w=
> ill all have PHDs.
> =20
> Cottingham's prices are among the highest around.  How would you like to be=
>  the sucker that pushes the buy it now button on the Gujba at $12000 only t=
> o discover this list and see that the real price is $7000-  That would sure=
>  leave a sour taste in my mouth=2C how about you?   Reminds me of the retai=
> ler that has a 50% off sale the day after he marks up his inventory 100%
> =20
> Spare me the argument that sales educate the uneducated public because it i=
> s as much BS as the newbies selling UNCLASSIFIED NWA meteorites because the=
> y are too cheap or lazy to get the proper classification.
> =20
> So lets go dealers=2C take Eric up on his offer and say to hell with the ru=
> les and start posting away with the ads.
> =20
> Gary
>   
>   



From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 14 22:53:55 2009
From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:53:55 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ads Sales of Meteorites, yes, that is correct,
	I said Sales of " METEORITES" which is exactly what this list is
	about
Message-ID: <FAA28AEA2ED743688769525D1BCBC171@user6e6e286533>

Hello fellow "METEORITE COLLECTORS  and DEALERS!
Yes, that is exactly what we are, Collectors and Dealers! We are not Editors 
for a magazine on Better Homes and Gardens, nor NASCAR, nor Playboy, nor 
Time, Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal, nor The Christian Science Monitor. 
We are a group that is interested in Meteorites. Let's get that Straight 
Now!
So, I ask myself and all of you. Why is it that there are a very few, a very 
small percentage that even bothers to spend their time looking at the post, 
whether it is from each individual email that comes from the list or the 
"Bulk Email" that I prefer which gives me the choice of scrolling down 
through all of the emails to see which I want to read first if I don't have 
the time to go through all of them. If anyone out there hates getting single 
emails so much and hates the Ad Sales and doesn't know how to change their 
settings for bulk emails from the list, please just ask and I assure you 
dozens of people will help you. If you can't change your settings or don't 
want to, just simply delete the Ad Sales email as was stated earlier.

I'm just including an email below that I sent to one of the angry anti-post 
people a few months ago and I have taken out any reference to said person, 
but have included the important details that I wanted to touch upon. We are 
a group of Meteorite Collectors and Dealers, and I don't think it's 
necessary for me to repeat that over and over again. The Ads and Sales post 
belong on this list. If it were an email list for coins, sea shells, 
minerals, old porcelain china, antiques and Native American Jewelry, I could 
see someone getting upset, but it baffles me why so many get upset over ads 
and Sales when there is "ABSOLUTELY NOTHING GOING ON THIS WEEK ABOUT SPACE 
OR METEORITES TO TALK ABOUT"  so, I rest my case.

We all want to buy and trade and sell meteorites, so let us just accept the 
Ads and Sales Ads as part of this hobby and live in peace.

All the best and I wish all of you clear skies and that a 100 kilogram 
meteorite will fall into your yard!!

Brian

IMCA # 6387

searchingforfun  is my ebay User Id

Below is my last email to a major complainer that I sent this email to a few 
months ago, that I felt represents the feelings from anyone trying to sell 
meteorites.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As everyone has stated the past several weeks, you do NOT contribute 
anything to the list, but complaining about ADS, SALES. If it weren't for 
the dealers putting ads on the list about their websites or the collectors 
putting Ads on the list about their auctions there would not be a simple, 
easy way for collectors and other dealers to be aware of the sales unless 
individual emails were sent out or bulk emails were sent out to each person. 
I know Art doesn't send out an email to everyone that puts an Ad Sale on his 
list and rambles on like you do. He has common sense! Do you have so much 
time on your hands that all you can do is count ads on the list?

Is it because it's dark out now and you can't be out on your lawn spraying 
poor innocent children with your hose? You need to get some additional 
hobbies to take up your time of counting meteorite ads. Why don't you do 
something constructive instead of always picking a fight with me or 
Cottingham or The Hupes or whomever else you send your ridiculous emails to.

Why don't you volunteer to help the poor and homeless. I live downtown and I 
can help and volunteer with the homeless at shelters, with the park district 
or the anti-cruelty society or the  Zoo or with The American Cancer Society 
or the underprivileged or with HIV/AIDs patients or the elderly.

Why must you be such a mean and nasty person who has nothing better to do 
than count Ads posted for sales of "Meteorites" to the Meteorite List? Are 
you angry because you're not selling whatever else you may be selling or do 
you feel that because there are sales ads for, again, "METEORITES" on "The 
Meteorite List" that people will spend their money on meteorites and not on 
something else that you want them to buy from you.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
End of that email. 



From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 14 23:04:44 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:04:44 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
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Agreed.=20

Cheers=20
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Melanie
IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09

Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what=
 you're gonna get!






----------------------------------------
> From: lintonius at earthlink.net
> To: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
> Date: Wed=2C 14 Oct 2009 18:59:50 -0700
>
> Me neither=2C Mel.
> The bitching and moaning sure gets old though!
> Linton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melanie Matthews"=20
> To:=20
> Sent: Wednesday=2C October 14=2C 2009 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
>
>
>>
>> Personally I have no problems with the adds. :)
>>
>> Regards
>> -----------
>> Melanie
>> IMCA: 2975
>> eBay: metmel2775
>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>>
>> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know
>> what you're gonna get!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Date: Wed=2C 14 Oct 2009 11:57:31 -0700
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
>>>
>>> Hello=2C
>>>
>>> This is a post=2C via the list to myself.
>>>
>>> DUDE - You have to stop sending so many sales posts to the list. I
>>> mean stop it. You must have sent at least 5 or more in the last 10
>>> days. You have broken the list rules several times over! Now stop it.
>>> Do you not have any respect for the people of this list. Most of us
>>> could care less about buying your meteorites and yet you seem to think
>>> that people on this list want to buy meteorites-especially yours.
>>> Over and over you post=2C trying to come up with all types of sales to
>>> drag people over to your ebay store to buy your meteorites. Just
>>> because you have 100's of specimens to choose from does not give you
>>> the right to post more than 1 ad a week. Please try and stay with the
>>> policy. Please.
>>>
>>> Your alter and rational pleading self
>>>
>>> Michael Cottingham
>>>
>>> PS.
>>>
>>> If you can go without posting to the list for at least 7 days (Ads
>>> that is) I will give you a free meteorite!
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 23:18:14 2009
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:18:14 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Message-ID: <93aaac890910142018ub139a3fv324ac6efda5a6090@mail.gmail.com>

Hola All,
The rule was only good so long as dealers upheld it.
It was originally put in place to limit Steve Arnold's (Chicago)
postings, but it failed.  Other dealers seemed happy enough to go
along with it on their own out of, for lack of a better word, courtesy
to other list members, who generally agreed that it was a good thing
to do (at the time).  It seems apparent now that most list members
have no problem with dealers posting to the list as often as they
wish, so it would appear as though the rule is no longer being
advocated by either dealers or common list-users/readers.
Thus the rule is, I would say, now null and void.
For better or worse, so be it.
But if you can't enforce it, and people won't follow it, it doesn't
make much of a rule.  And if a select few choose to go against it, it
kind of screws over the other dealers who still abide by it, so I say
to hell with it.
We'll see what happens to the list...this could be interesting.

Oh - and I'll have some ebay auctions up later tonight for those of
you who may be interested - hopefully within the next hour, but it may
take two to finish it all up.

Regards,
Jason


From webbth1 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 23:26:15 2009
From: webbth1 at yahoo.com (Thomas Webb)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:26:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Huge NWA Iron for sale  -AD-
Message-ID: <787389.55854.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello List,
Alhyane Abdelaziz asked me to forward this ad for him.
Thomas

Dear List, 
Up for sale, A huge new NWA Iron find of 34000g with gorgeous regmaglyptes and Two smooth edges.
Photos
:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2598/4005452746_8e8b647f92_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2657/4004684781_334e1e36b1_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2527/4004683337_15834c35a3_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2588/4005446786_dd0614b05f_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2527/4004683337_15834c35a3_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2588/4005446786_dd0614b05f_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2552/4004678899_3f3e4d13ce_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2484/4005435596_25f10c734c_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2570/4005438294_a2a2c43b14_b.jpg

$20k takes it home and free Fedex shipping, Guarateed delivering.
1st come, 1st served.

Alhyane Abdelaziz
83500 Morocco
+212 6 61655060
http://www.tourisme-nomade.com 




      


From webbth1 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 23:53:47 2009
From: webbth1 at yahoo.com (Thomas Webb)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:53:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Huge NWA Iron
Message-ID: <371021.46827.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

List,
If interested in the iron, please reply to alhyane_abdelaziz at yahoo.com 
Thanks,
Thomas


      


From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 14 23:58:08 2009
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:58:08 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test
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From minador at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 00:02:26 2009
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:02:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890910142018ub139a3fv324ac6efda5a6090@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <966141.71942.qm@web54409.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Good summary Jason (for newbs or those like me who drop in and out of the list - I know a lot has escaped me the past few years).

I think ads are pretty easy to ignore since people are good about including "ad" in the subject line.  In fact they're probably the easiest of pet peeves to avoid on the list!  If only the others were that easy...  So happy selling!

Clear skies!

Mark
Vail, AZ

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:18 PM
> Hola All,
> The rule was only good so long as dealers upheld it.
> It was originally put in place to limit Steve Arnold's
> (Chicago)
> postings, but it failed.? Other dealers seemed happy
> enough to go
> along with it on their own out of, for lack of a better
> word, courtesy
> to other list members, who generally agreed that it was a
> good thing
> to do (at the time).? It seems apparent now that most
> list members
> have no problem with dealers posting to the list as often
> as they
> wish, so it would appear as though the rule is no longer
> being
> advocated by either dealers or common list-users/readers.
> Thus the rule is, I would say, now null and void.
> For better or worse, so be it.
> But if you can't enforce it, and people won't follow it, it
> doesn't
> make much of a rule.? And if a select few choose to go
> against it, it
> kind of screws over the other dealers who still abide by
> it, so I say
> to hell with it.
> We'll see what happens to the list...this could be
> interesting.
> 
> Oh - and I'll have some ebay auctions up later tonight for
> those of
> you who may be interested - hopefully within the next hour,
> but it may
> take two to finish it all up.
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


From damoclid at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 00:23:12 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:23:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890910142018ub139a3fv324ac6efda5a6090@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <839016.38680.qm@web33903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:18 PM
> Hola All,

...


> But if you can't enforce it, and people won't follow it, it
> doesn't
> make much of a rule.?



Overall, I don't have a problem with ADs. That is until they become excessive. At that point the advertiser may see results that are the opposite of their intentions. That is, they can drive buyers away from, not towards, their business...

I snipped out one sentence from Jason's post for a reason. The rule can be enforced, but only by one person. That person is the list owner. If that person (on this list or any other) chooses to enforce or ignore the stated rules of their list, that is their prerogative. Personally I leave administering a list to the owner and find that when others complain and complain, that is more annoying than the ads themselves.

That being said, one has to ask, "What constitutes an AD?" Every post I've made to this list from this email address has my photography studio's name and URL in my signature. Maybe that is not an overt ad, but I certainly hope others will take note of it, visit my site and perhaps purchase a print from me.

I'm under no allusion that other posts that contain a url in a signature or elsewhere are not advertisements too. Nor do I think that when a post shows it comes from "XYZ Meteorites" instead of a person that it is innocent. Of course it isn't. The intention is to keep the name of that company in front of me and others. IOW, its an AD.

In closing, I'd like to ask people visit my website and if you like our images, feel free to place an order... I am very open to trading images for meteorites, so feel free to contact me if you'd like to barter instead.

And, if you contact me directly, I can offer a discount on the price if your order comes to me that way instead of via the order form on my site as my overhead is lower...


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net


      


From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Thu Oct 15 00:34:47 2009
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:34:47 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Message-ID: <4ad6a667.6f.48f7.1344036704@webmaildh1.aruba.it>

sinceraly Cottingham its under broken with this tons of AD,
for sure if I start to put 3-4 Ad for week after few days I
have tons of person broken or say to me to not put contine
AD...probably in the list some person have raccomandations
and others not....

Matteo

----- Original Message -----
Da : Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
A : Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Oggetto : [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Data : Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:18:14 -0700

> Hola All,
> The rule was only good so long as dealers upheld it.
> It was originally put in place to limit Steve Arnold's
> (Chicago) postings, but it failed.  Other dealers seemed
> happy enough to go along with it on their own out of, for
> lack of a better word, courtesy to other list members, who
> generally agreed that it was a good thing to do (at the
> time).  It seems apparent now that most list members have
> no problem with dealers posting to the list as often as
> they wish, so it would appear as though the rule is no
> longer being advocated by either dealers or common
> list-users/readers. Thus the rule is, I would say, now
> null and void. For better or worse, so be it.
> But if you can't enforce it, and people won't follow it,
> it doesn't make much of a rule.  And if a select few
> choose to go against it, it kind of screws over the other
> dealers who still abide by it, so I say to hell with it.
> We'll see what happens to the list...this could be
> interesting.
> 
> Oh - and I'll have some ebay auctions up later tonight for
> those of you who may be interested - hopefully within the
> next hour, but it may take two to finish it all up.
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

M come Meteorite Meteoriti
info at mcomemeteorite.it
http://www.mcomemeteorite.it
http://www.mcomemeteorite.org
Mindat Gallery
http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html
ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici
http://www.chinellatophoto.com


From geeg48 at msn.com  Thu Oct 15 01:04:58 2009
From: geeg48 at msn.com (GREG LINDH)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:04:58 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
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    Yup=2C I agree with both of you.  I have no problem with Michael's sale=
's.  He always gives a great deal for the money.  Some other dealers should=
 take a lesson.  Personally=2C I wish Michael would post more of his sales.
=20
  Greg Lindh
=20
=20

> From: lintonius at earthlink.net
> To: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com
> Date: Wed=2C 14 Oct 2009 18:59:50 -0700
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
>=20
> Me neither=2C Mel.
> The bitching and moaning sure gets old though!
> Linton
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Melanie Matthews" <spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday=2C October 14=2C 2009 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
>=20
>=20
>>
>> Personally I have no problems with the adds. :)
>>
>> Regards
>> -----------
>> Melanie
>> IMCA: 2975
>> eBay: metmel2775
>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>>
>> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know=20
>> what you're gonna get!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Date: Wed=2C 14 Oct 2009 11:57:31 -0700
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Way too many sales posts ....Cottingham !
>>>
>>> Hello=2C
>>>
>>> This is a post=2C via the list to myself.
>>>
>>> DUDE - You have to stop sending so many sales posts to the list. I
>>> mean stop it. You must have sent at least 5 or more in the last 10
>>> days. You have broken the list rules several times over! Now stop it.
>>> Do you not have any respect for the people of this list. Most of us
>>> could care less about buying your meteorites and yet you seem to think
>>> that people on this list want to buy meteorites-especially yours.
>>> Over and over you post=2C trying to come up with all types of sales to
>>> drag people over to your ebay store to buy your meteorites. Just
>>> because you have 100's of specimens to choose from does not give you
>>> the right to post more than 1 ad a week. Please try and stay with the
>>> policy. Please.
>>>
>>> Your alter and rational pleading self
>>>
>>> Michael Cottingham
>>>
>>> PS.
>>>
>>> If you can go without posting to the list for at least 7 days (Ads
>>> that is) I will give you a free meteorite!
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
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From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Thu Oct 15 01:01:07 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (mail at mhmeteorites.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:01:07 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD- Ensisheim from Boubee Colln.
Message-ID: <20091014220107.ph5iid4jpwoscw4s@webmail.mhmeteorites.com>

Hi Listees:
I have just prepared 2 slices cut from my 25 gram fragment of Ensisheim. The
piece originally came from the Boubee Collection of Paris (1840 to
1960) and the
Carion Collection of Paris. The two larger slices show incredible brecciation
and are only 1 mm thick!

I also have a 1.06 gram slice from the Blaine Reed Collection.

All are priced at 650/g for list members.

Specimens:
3.8 gram slice (52 X 25 X 1mm) $2470 Boubee Colln.
image: <http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/ensisheim_3-8.jpg>

3.0 gram slice (50 X 22 X 1mm) $1950 Boubee Colln.
image <http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/ensisheim_3-0.jpg>

1.06 gram slice $650 Reed Colln.
image <http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/ensisheim_1-06.jpg>

Here is the background of the Ensisheim fall. VERY historic and now very rare!

The oldest meteorite whose fall can be dated precisely. On Nov. 7, 1492, near
noon, a loud explosion preceded the arrival of a 127-kg stone meteorite in a
wheat field near the village of Ensisheim in the province of Alsace,
France. An
old woodcut depicting the scene shows the fall watched by two people emerging
from a forest. In fact, a young boy was the only eyewitness and he led
the local
populace to the field, where the meteorite lay in a hole a meter deep.
After it
was retrieved, the townsfolk, believing the object to be of
supernatural origin,
begin to chip off bits for souvenirs, until stopped by the local magistrate.
Many of these fragments ended up in museums around the world. The remaining
specimen, a rounded gray mass weighing only 55 kg and nearly without
any fusion
crust, can be seen today at Ensisheim resting in an elegant case in the middle
of the main hall of the Regency Palace built in 1535 by the emperor
Ferdinand of
Austria (Encyclopedia of Science, 2009).

Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com



From geeg48 at msn.com  Thu Oct 15 01:17:56 2009
From: geeg48 at msn.com (GREG LINDH)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:17:56 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ads,
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    Hi Eric=2C
=20
  I have to disagree with you.  Michael's prices are among the best on the =
List.  I have been able to buy some quality stuff from him that I could nev=
er afford were they being offered by some other "big time dealers" on the L=
ist.  May there be more Michael Cottinghams.
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:23:32 -0700
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 02:23:43 2009
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:23:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - 4 Auctions Ending in 7 Days
Message-ID: <93aaac890910142323i292f3490pabead41bd91a71c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
I have four auctions up and running now:

1) A 2.06g Tamdakht fragment with a small patch of nicely textured
fusion crust.  This is the result of a larger stone's violent
encounter with earth - not overly impressive in itself, but when one
thinks about what led to its formation - kind of awesome.

2) A 9.4g fragment of NWA 1953.  This fragment represents about 1/7 of
the tkw, and has two large (3-4mm+) chondrules sticking out of it -
one of which is distincly green-grey in color.  It's a nice completely
desert-varnished fragment of a fairly low NWA number with a very low
total known weight.  There's a lot of fresh metal sticking out on the
bottom of the stone - I'm assuming this would be nice cutting
material.

3) A .2257g cut fragment of Paragould.  One of Nininger's first field
recoveries, and the largest witnessed fall at the time, Paragould is
one of the more historic American meteorites - second probably to
Weston, but significantly harder to acquire - and nicer, in my
opinion.

4) A 6.2g end-cut of NWA 1696 - again, a low tkw meteorite with a
pretty low NWA number.  Also note - a weathering grade of one, and a
breccia of both unequilibrated and equilibrated material.  Pretty neat
stone, a good example of a chondrite and of a breccia.

All are visible at the following link:

http://shop.ebay.com/calimeteoritefinder/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686

Thanks,
Jason


From rmforall at comcast.net  Thu Oct 15 02:27:59 2009
From: rmforall at comcast.net (Rich Murray)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:27:59 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holocene Start Impacts: EP Grondine: Rich
	Murray 2009.10.15
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Re: [meteorite-list] Holocene Start Impacts: EP Grondine:
Rich Murray 2009.10.15
___________________________________________________

Hello all,

I'm glad to see a new consensus rapidly evolving re widespread
Holocene Start impacts from myriad fragments of an 13 Ka BP
ice comet.

On Sept 9, 2009,

Jason Utas posted, "...There are quite literally hundreds
(if not thousands) of elongate depressions that are quite easily
visible from the air... literally thousands of square kilometers...."

Darren Garrison agreed, "...Sounds a lot like
Carolina Bays to me."

These impact features may be found in most parts of the world
with Google Earth and Google Maps.

I have intriguing samples from sites in New Mexico and Kauai.

nanodiamond evidence for 12,900 BP Clovis extinction impact,
Santa Rosa Island, discussion on Scientific American website,
Carolina Bay type craters east of Las Vegas, NM:
Rich Murray 2009.07.24
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2009_06_01_archive.htm
Friday, July 24, 2009
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AstroDeep/28

Here are the Windows/Linux keyboard commands that make it
easy to "fly" easily, creating an intuitive 3D grasp
of the landscape -- my laptop runs at 1 GHZ with a graphics
card, Windows Vista, Firefox, and 3 GB RAM:

Full screen mode: F11
Lat/Long grid: Ctrl L
Slow movement down: add Alt before other keys
Zoom in, out: PgUp, PgDn keys
Move left, right, forward, back: arrow keys
Tilt view up, down: Shift down arrow, up arrow
Rotate view in circle clockwise, counterclockwise:
Shift right arrow, left arrow
Tilt up towards horizon, down towards directly below:
Shift down arrow, up arrow
Stop, start movement: space bar
Look in any direction: Ctrl, left mouse button and drag
New placemark: Ctrl Shift P
To delete or rewrite a placemark title,
right click it and select Properties
Reset view to north as forward:  n
Reset tilt to top-down view: u
Select Tools to select Web to return to your other screens

It's easy to look down about 45 degrees while moving straight
ahead in any direction at an eye elevation of 1-200 km,
scanning a straight strip half-way around the world,
stopping to placemark, examine, and measure any features.

I here list a few of over 100 .1-.5 km shallow
[oblique low velocity ice impacts] craters ,
Bajada del Diablo, Argentina (.78-.13 Ma BP)
[-42.87 -67.47]  Rogelio D Acevedo et al,
Geomorphology 2009 Sept:

[ my notes ]
over100 almost circular, crater-type structures with diameters
ranging from 100 to 500 m in width and 30 to 50 m in depth.

three separated impact crater fields, formed simultaneously
on a Miocene basaltic plateau and Pleistocene pediments,
later eroded by Late Pleistocene fluvial processes,
thus three major separate areas.

Crater structures are similar in both target rocks,
although showing different behavior in relation to rock type.
They are simple rings, bowl-shaped with raised rimrock.
Basaltic boulders have been deposited as a ring-shaped pile
and the ejecta are found towards the NE flanks.
The craters present a hummocky bottom, with dry ponds
and lakes in the center, but they do not show raised central peaks.
The rocks within the craters have strong, stable magnetic signature.
No meteorite fragments or other diagnostic landmarks are found.
The craters have been partially filled-in by debris flows
from the rim and wind-blown sands in recent times.
The origin of these crater fields may be related to multiple
fragmentation of one asteroid which broke up before impact,
perhaps traveling across the space as a rubble pile.
When entering the Earth atmosphere, the impacting fragments
were at an estimated shallow input angle
between 15? to 25? from the horizontal.
Alternatively, multiple collisions of comet fragments
could explain the formation of these crater fields.
The layout of the ejecta that moves preferably in the downrange
direction indicates a high velocity impactor
coming from SW towards NE.
Based on field geological and geomorphological data,
the age of this event is estimated to be from the
late Pliocene-early Pleistocene and the late Pleistocene,
most likely early-middle Pleistocene (i.e., 0.78-0.13 Ma ago).

Area 1 -42.80 -67.42
Area 2 -42.85 -67.72
Area 3 -42.97 -67.71.

The central dots seen from above on most of the 66 craters
are dry lake surfaces.

For the 18 craters found on top of the Miocene basaltic
plateaus (volcanic mesas), including craters A, B, C, G
in the oblique 3D view in Fig. 5, no meteorite fragments
or other megascopic diagnostic landmarks have been
found among the boulders and pebbles of vesicular basalt.
Chemical tests found some Ni in the bottom sands and silts
of two horseshoe-shaped craters A and A', while X-ray
diffraction found magnetite and petrogenic silicates, and
maybe taenite, a rare Fe-Ni mineral.

Craters on the pediment surface have hummocky
bottoms with dry ponds and salt lakes in the centers,
and were later dried and filled up with gravel and
sand,  from debris flows from the rim and wind-blown
sands, and so are often hard to see.  Ejecta is often
strongly marked in views from above.

The entire crater field seems not elliptical, but chaotic.
The lack of meteoritic fragments suggests vaporization
of the object from very high temperatures during a
hypervelocity impact.
A rubble-pile would fragment greatly in the air
before ground impact.

Possibly, and more likely, a small comet nucleus,
several hundred meters in diameter, formed by water
and carbon dioxide ice,  with a small fraction of rocky matter,
generally very fragile, would also fragment
into hundreds of pieces in the air before ground impact,
leaving no physical traces behind.

The vaporization from impact makes a nearly spherical
expanding envelope of hot gas, creating fairly round craters.

Research was funded by CONICET and The Planetary
Society, Pasadena, California.  Dr. William McDonald,
State University of NY at Binghamton, visited Ushuaia.
[ end of summary notes]

I list some here with decimal degrees, and widths,
lowest crater depth, and highest ejecta or terrain in km.
Google Earth and Maps has about the same quality and
resolution as their photos, about 1 m, enough to see
2 ruts in a dirt road, but not enough to tell a car from
a  bush, boulder, or hole.

The first 5 are on grey basalts and trachybasalts.

C -42.788574 -67.548570 .860 km deep, .894 N ejecta,
W edge eroded [ Fig. 4, 5 ]

D -42.785062 -67.533669 .278, .850, .873, S edge eroded
[ both Fig. 4]
D'  -42.782352 -67.535068 .219, .868, .875

G -42799292 --67.526446 .291, .779, .804, S edge eroded
[ Fig. 4, 5 ]

H -42.770845 -67.538997 .168, .917, .923

The next 5 are on sandstones and conglomerates.

A -42.808171 -67.436316 .220, .648, .653
[ on the right (E) in Fig. 4, 5 ]

A' -42.807212 -67.441747 .165, .654, .656
[ on the left (W) in Fig. 4, 5 ]

B -42.805004 -67.505493 .351, .683, .707
[ both Fig. 4, 5 ]
B' -42.809174 -67.503760 .271, .681, .683

E -42.791507 -67.489361 .355, .681, .687

Google Earth does show color in this bleak badlands.
Processing the color data may be helpful.

In the region, I soon found:

R1 -42.768 -67.484 green pond .5 km, .695 high
on eroded slope 2 km E of H, 3 NNW of E,
while 6.84 km NNE is

R2 -42.708 -67.484 dry white eroded lake 1.4X.6, .497 high,
slopes WE .545-.500

Erosion, possibly from immediate catastrophic regional floods,
similar to glacial volcanic debris flows, mudflows, outburst floods,
and lahars, can follow and alter craters and impact shocked
bedrock, concentrating minerals,  and evolving oriented lakes
and features.

Could much of this be from the 12,950 BP Younger Dryas start?

Could the white minerals, common in various depressions
on high durable surfaces, derive largely from the impactors?

R3 -42.729681 -67.686537 lake 1.11X.46, 1.082, 1.095
Quinelaf Eruptive Complex. Final basic lavas facies [Fig. 2]

p 60 4.1 Quinelaf eruptive complex
"...On the basis of several radiometric datings, Ardolino (1981)
identified that the latest volcanic activity of this trachytic unit
(the Final Lava Facies) took place in the Miocene."

R4 -42.143501 -67.686537 lake 1.16X.60, 1.486, 1.542,
cluster

R5 -41.474665 -67.912145 3.0 round,
flat shallow 1.3  white core, .968, 1.167 1km N
also 1.2X.6 on SW rim,
5 km E of Rd 8 ns, 28 km N of Rds 5 and 7.
1X.5 green farm on NW rim of white core, with road.
Part of a regional crater field on a dark, incised plateau --
the edges are dark layers .1 km deep at least.


Let's do a little back of the envelope estimate of how much
a single sizable ice comet could achieve.

Let the target be the entire sphere of sea and land of
all Earth, 5.1 x 10E8 km**2 = 500,000,000.

We consider 0.01 MT = 10 KT TNT impact energy per km**2,
which would be 5.1 x 10E6 MT -- half  the 10 km
iron Chicxulub impact level of 1 x 10E7,
which 65 million years ago
vaporized a mile of sea and bedrock limestones, spewing
white hot debris far into space and all over the globe,
setting wildfires everywhere, generating enough smoke
and dust to turn day into frigid night, followed by
long, torrential rains of nitric and sulfuric acid -- so
goodbye dinosaurs and most other species.

But a largely ice comet, bearing any percentage of
fairly ordinary minerals, is very different.  Very weak,
perhaps only a rubble pile, it will fragment into many
pieces from gravitational stesses as it nears Earth.
The pieces will impact not just a single point, but
a continental region, entering the atmosphere over
a period of hours, and the fragments will fragment
80 miles up, and their fragments will fragment and
so on, until there are many air bursts, at various heights,
shining much of the energy back into space, while
flash heating and blasting the Earth below.  Some
fragments, perhaps with iron and nickel or rock,
perhaps with high amount of minerals,  probably
many as ice, water, or complex superpressure clouds
of high temperature steam, will impact.

Larger objects, less slowed by air resistance, will
go further and land quicker, with the smaller ones
slowing and falling to both sides behind the initial
strikes, forming a long elliptical cluster.

But there are many variations.  Large objects
entering the atmosphere will have greater air
resistance and drag on their lower surface,
inducing spin forward in the direction of movement.
This forward spin will create lift, keeping the
fragment in flight longer, while reducing its velocity.
Spin will spread the heat and pressure of air resistance
more evenly over the whole surface of the object,
delaying fragmentation and melting. Slower
velocity allows time for melting and vaporization
to change its shape, perhaps becoming more
streamlined, while the surrounding layer of water
and steam reduces air resistance
and the rate of heating, while giving the body
more time to slow down.

Some may simply come down with a low-speed
plop, while some may glide almost gracefully into
a very low angle impact.  The speed and angle
of impact determines how explosive it is:

1. Just a plop -- leaving a hill, ridge, parallel ridge,
fan of ridge lobes, ring, or long oval of mineral
deposits and some displaced ground
earth, rock, and water.

2. Enough energy to melt all its ice -- might look
much like case 1, but with greater distances
and lower heights, along with more obvious
flooding and splashing.

3. Enough energy to vaporize all the ice --
in addition to any water and high pressure
superheated steam already coming with the
object, along with contributions of ice and water
on and in the ground, could in a low-angle
impact cause the bottom contact side of the
object to evolve a "pancake" of very high
pressure superheated steam under it, moving
forward and growing as the whole object
is converted into steam, so that huge pressures are
created on the ground, while the escaping
steam all around creats a focused blast that
levels the ground widely and leaves a small rim,
with mostly forward shallow trenches in one,
two, or many more directions.  The steam
pancake may enable the impact process to
continue forward for much longer distances, creating
one or more trenches of various sizes and depths,
often expanding like a fan or triangle from the
point of impact.  I call these features "pawprints".

Spinning around along the direction of travel
may create impacts that are much deeper on one side
or the other.

The hydrodynamics are very complex.  There could
be directed jets of steam that, like shaped explosive
charges, penetrate surprisingly deeply into ice,
water, earth, or rock, or jet pairs in opposite
directions or in a forward V pattern.

These cases consider relatively low velocities,
in the range of 5 km/sec, mainly at angles of
approach at the ground of 5 to 30 degrees.
The most probable angle from space is 45 degrees,
but ice meteors and their fragments may tend
to curve into lower angles near the ground.

Thus, in comparison to iron or stone impacts,
the pressures of impacts are much lower,
with little penetration of the surface, and much
less excavation, ejection, and vaporization of
surface water, ice, soil, and rock.

Tests have shown that oblique, low angle impacts
on ice as thick as the diameter of the fragment
will cause little damage to surfaces under the ice.

A very helpful line of evidence comes from the
mineral layers and coatings blasted onto exposed
bedrocks or rocks blasted through the high pressure,
superheated steam, carrying minerals as gases,
molted nano and microdrops, hot dusts, and a
variety of larger framents.  The steam's pressure
and temperature would change rapidly with its
overall expansion, or momentarily increased pressures
and temperatures upon impact with surfaces or
flying objects.  A huge varity of often durable
coatings would be created, adding to any
effects on surfaces and objects from initial
radiant heat and blast from the impact.
Natural would be common white  minerals
(sodium chloride,  silicon dioxide,
calcium carbonate, sodium sulfate,
titanium dioxide, etc.), grey hematite,
red iron oxide, black manganese oxide,
and perhaps boron minerals.

I have specimens of rocks from crater fields
in New Mexico and Kauai with these coatings,
as thick as 6 cm.  The initial layers of reddish
to black color are often named "desert varnish",
and can evolve slowly over thousands of years
of wet and dry climate from accumulated dust,
water deposition, and microorganism activity.
White coatings are often described as caliche.
Water and wind, of course, will rework and
widely redistribute minerals from ice impacts.

I welcome specific critical feedback.

Rich Murray 505-501-2298 rmforall at comcast.net
1943 Otowi Road, Santa Fe, NM 87505


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E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
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 2009 FALL AGU San Francisco, CA
Field-Analytical approach of land-sea records for elucidating
the Younger Dryas Boundary syndrome
SECTION/FOCUS GROUP:
Paleoceanography and Paleoclimatology (PP)
SESSION: Younger Dryas Boundary:
Extraterrestrial Impact or Not? (PP15)
AUTHORS (FIRST NAME, LAST NAME):
Thierry Ge 1,
Marie-Agnes Michele Courty   2,  [ see also:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/x344w32523h00q43/
http://www.cprm.gov.br/33IGC/1345536.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Agn%C3%A8s_Courty
http://www.futura-sciences.com/fr/news/t/terre-3/d/un-asteroide-a-t-il-percute-la-terre-il-y-a-4000-ans_10148/ ]
Francois Guichard 3.
INSTITUTIONS (ALL):
1. Geoarcheology, INRAP, Pessac, France.
2. Prehistory, IPHES-ICREA, CNRS-MNHN,
Tarragona, Spain.
3. Paleoocenography, CNRS-CEA UVSQ,
Gif-sur-Yvette, France.

 Linking lonsdaleite crystals, carbon spherules and diamond
polymorphs from the North American dark layers
at 12.9 cal yr B.P. to a cosmic event has questioned
the nature and timing of the related impact processes.

A global signal should trace the invoked airshocks and/or
surface impacts from a swarm of comets
or carbonaceous chondrites.

 Here we report on the contextual analytical study of debris fall
events from three reference sequences of the Younger Dyras
period (11-13 ka cal BP):

 (1) sand dune fields along the French Atlantic coast at the
Audenge site;

(2) A 10 m record of detrital/bioorganic accumulation in the
southern basin of the Caspian Sea with regular sedimentation rate
(0.1 to 3 mm per year) from 14 to 2-ka BP cal;

(3) the Paijan sequence (Peruvian coastal desert) offering
fossiliferous fluvial layers with the last large mammals and
aquatic fauna at 13 ka BP sealed by abiotic sand dunes.

 The three sequences display one remarkable layer of exogenous
air-transported microdebris that is part of a complex time series
of recurrent fine dust/wildfire events.

The sharp debris-rich microfacies and its association to ashes
derived from calcination of the local vegetation suggest
instantaneous deposition synchronous to a high intensity wildfire.

The debris assemblage comprises microtektite-like
glassy spherules, partly devitrified glass shards,
unmelted to partly melted sedimentary and igneous clasts,
terrestrial native metals, and carbonaceous components.

The later occur as grape-clustered polymers,
vitrified graphitic carbon, amorphous carbon spherules
with a honeycomb pattern, and
green carbon fibres with recrystallized quartz and metal blebs.

Evidence for high temperature formation from a
heterogeneous melt with solid debris and volatile components
derived from carbonaceous precursors supports an impact
origin from an ejecta plume.

The association of debris deposition to total firing would trace
a high energy airburst with surface effects of the fireball.

In contrast, microfacies and debris composition of the
recurrent fine dust/wildfire events would trace a series
of a low energy airburst.

Their record is expressed in the Audenge sequence by a series
of water-laid laminae of charred pine residues formed of
carbonaceous spherules wrapped by carbonaceous polymers
that includes lonsdaleite crystals as detected by high resolution
in situ micro-Raman analysis.

This association suggests recurrent flash forest wildfires ignited
by hot spray of carbon-rich debris, followed by heavy snow falls.

The record from the Peruvian desert suggests a possible linkage
between the repeated debris fall/wildfires during the Younger
Dryas and the following irreversible aridity along the Peruvian coast.

In contrast the Caspian record of the Younger Dryas period
indicates more gradual changes, possibly buffered by the
hydrological functioning of the Caspian sea in a complex region.

The Audenge context offers the amplified signal needed to
understand at local to global scales the spatio-temporal pattern
of impact-airburst events.

 KEYWORDS:
[4901] PALEOCEANOGRAPHY /
Abrupt/rapid climate change,
[1029] GEOCHEMISTRY /
Composition of aerosols and dust particles,
[4924] PALEOCEANOGRAPHY / Geochemical tracers,
[5420] PLANETARY SCIENCES: SOLID SURFACE
PLANETS / Impact phenomena, cratering.

Previously Presented Material:
Original results, never presented, never published

http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com/msg77749.html

[meteorite-list]
Younger Dryas Impact hypothesis GSA and AGU Abstracts
Paul H.
Sun, 13 Sep 2009 05:06:43 -0700

The GSA abstracts can be found in
"T94. Impact Cratering from the Microscopic
to the Planetary Scale II
(GSA Planetary Geology Division;
International Continental Scientific Drilling Program [ICDP];
GSA Sedimentary Geology Division;
GSA Structural Geology and Tectonics Division;
GSA Geophysics Division;
Paleontological Society;
GSA International Division)  at:

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2009AM/finalprogram/session_25177.htm

The abstracts are:

1. Dryas. Pinter, N., A. C. Andrew, and D. Ebel, 2009,
Extraterrestrial and Terrestrial Signatures at the Onset of
the Younger Geological Society of America Abstracts with
Programs.

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2009AM/finalprogram/abstract_162563.htm

2. Holliday, V. T., and D. J. Meltzer, 2009,
Geoarchaeology of the 12.9ka Impact hypothesis.
Geological Society of  America Abstracts with Programs.

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2009AM/finalprogram/abstract_160959.htm

3. Paquay, F., S. Goderis, G. Ravizza, and P. Claeys, 2009,
No evidence of of extraterrestrial geochemical components at the
Bolling-Allerod/Younger Dryas Transition.
Geological Society of America Abstracts with Programs.

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2009AM/finalprogram/abstract_163154.htm

4. Surovell, T. A., and V. T. Holliday, 2009,
Non-Reproducibility of Younger Dryas Extraterrestrial
Impact Results
Geological Society of America Abstracts with Programs.

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2009AM/finalprogram/abstract_163912.htm

PDF files of various papers by Dr. V. T. Holliday can be
found beneath "Publications of Vance T. Holliday" at:

http://www.argonaut.arizona.edu/holliday.htm

This includes:

Vance T. Holliday, David A. Kring, James H. Mayer, and Ronald J.
Goble, Age and effects of the Odessa meteorite impact, western Texas,
USA. Geology. vol.  33, pp. 945-947.  at:

http://www.argonaut.arizona.edu/articles/holliday_etal2005.pdf

The Abstracts to the 2009 American Geophysical Union
presentations for
"PP15: Younger Dryas Boundary: Extraterrestrial Impact
or Not?"
have not been posted yet.
Eventually, they should appear at:

http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm09/program/scientific_session_search.php?show=detail&sessid=388

According to George Howard,
http://www.georgehoward.net/clovis_comet_at_fall_2009_agu.htm ,
the titles of the accepted papers are:
[ Rich Murray: full abstracts also given ]

1. Lost Impacts

2. High resolution Osmium isotopes in deep-sea
ferromanganese crusts reveal a large meteorite impact
in the Central Pacific at 12.4 ka

3. What Caused the Younger Dryas? An Assessment of
Existing Hypotheses

4. An Independent Evaluation of the Younger Dryas
Extraterrestrial Impact Hypothesis

5. Cosmic impact: What are the odds?

6. Cometary airbursts and atmospheric chemistry:
Tunguska and a candidate Younger Dryas event

7. Problems with the Younger Dryas Boundary ( YDB )
Impact Hypothesis

8. Beringian Megafaunal Extinctions at ~37 ka B.P.:
Do Micrometeorites Embedded in Fossil Tusks and
Skulls Indicate an Extraterrestial Precursor to
the Younger Dryas Event?

9. Airbursts in the Sky with Diamonds? Shock
Limits to a Younger Dryas Impact.

10. The platinum group metals in Younger Dryas
Horizons are terrestrial

11. Putting the Younger Dryas Cold Event into Context

12. Field-Analytical approach of land-sea records
for elucidating the Younger Dryas Boundary syndrome

13 Evidence of four prehistoric supernovae <250
parsecs from Earth during the past 50,000 years

14. Oblique impacts into low impedance layers

15. Cold Climate Related Structural Sinks Accommodate
Unusual Soil Constituents, Pinelands National Reserve,
New Jersey, USA.

16. Positive anomaly in platinum group elements and
the presence of shocked diamonds: Two question marks
at the Younger Dryas

17. Nanodiamonds and Carbon Spherules from Tunguska,
the K/T Boundary, and the Younger Dryas Boundary Layer

18. Are Nanodiamonds Evidence for a Younger Dryas
Impact Event?

19. Rockyhock and Kimbel Carolina Bays: Extraterrestrial
Impact or Terrestrial Genesis?

20. No support from osmium isotopes for an impact event
at the Bolling-Allerod/Younger Dryas transition

21. Climatic Control of Biomass Burning During the Last
Glacial-Interglacial Transition

22. Human Population Decline in North America during
the Younger Dryas

23. Summary of impact markers and potential impact
 mechanisms for the YDB impact event at 12.9 ka

24. Testing Younger Dryas ET Impact ( YDB ) Evidence
at Hall's Cave, Texas

25. Wildfires, Soot and Fullerenes in the 12,900 ka
Younger Dryas boundary layer in North America.

Obviously, the discussion about the Younger Dryas
Impact Hypothesis continues.

Yours,  Paul H.
___________________________________________________


http://www.cprm.gov.br/33IGC/1345536.html

HPF-16 Correlation between marine and terrestrial ecosystems
Land-sea correlation elucidating the spatial variability of the
4 kyr B.P. impact event from the submicron to the global level
Marie-Agnes Courty, CNRS (France)
Michel Mermoux, CNRS (France)
David Smith, MNHN (France)
Mark Thiemens, Univ. of California (United States)
Xavier Crosta, CNRS (France)
Nicolas Fedoroff, CNRS (France)
Thierry Ge, INRAP (France)
Fran?ois Guichard, CEA (France)
Kliti Grice, Univ. of Technology (Australia)
Paul Greenwood, Centre for Land Rehabilitation,
School of Earth and Geographical Sciences (Australia)

Land-sea correlation is of major importance to unravelling
impact events that operated at multiple temporalities through
a continuum of spatial scales.
Our multidisciplinary study of marine and terrestrial records has
provided clues to elucidate the conflicting pattern of the 4 kyr BP
impact from the submicron to the global level.
The markers of this impact comprise anomalous micro-facies and
allochthonous debris with organic, mineral and metallic tracers
characterized by petrography, XRD, Raman microspectrometry,
SEM, GC-IR-MS, isotope and noble gas analyses.
Dating on charred plant materials provides C14 radiometric ages
at 4050-3950 + 50 yr BP.
The allochthonous debris comprise intact rock-clasts,
glassy components and crystallised breccia with a wide size range
(a few mm down to a few m).
Lechatelierite, baddeleyite, diaplectic quartz and graphite-derived
diamond in the glassy phases confirm the impact origin.
A micro-faunal-floral assemblage
(foraminifera, diatoms and radiolaria) from subtropical, subpolar
and austral seawaters in intact marine clasts gives a provenance
from austral latitudes.
Tasmanite-like bitumen and sandstone clasts with chromite,
zircon, metal-rich quartz and alumina components supports an
origin from the continental plateau somewhere around
South of Australia.
The proximal emplacement of the impact-ejecta in the
Austral Ocean (Adelie Land and Kerguelen Plateau)
is traced by 7 to 12 m thick anomalous facies.
Evidence of heating of local marine components and their mixing
with the impact debris indicates seawater vaporisation
by a hot debris jet.
The identification of the 4 kyr BP tracers suggests that the
Henbury crater field, the Boxhole crater, intermediate areas with
glass debris, and the Edeowie glass field in South Australia,
together with the Darwin glass field in Tasmania, could relate
to projection of the hot debris jet to the nearby land areas.
Association of the 4 kyr BP tracers to a wild-fire on the
Reunion Island and to a giant tsunami along the north-west
Sumatra coast would respectively express local wildfires by
dispersion of the firery debris and long-distance effects of the
impact shock-wave.
The distal emplacement of the impact-ejecta in the northern
hemisphere is represented by a widely-distributed pattern
of scattered fine debris and an erratic pattern showing great
concentrations of the 4 kyr BP allochthonous debris along a
narrow band locally traced across Syria and France.
They formed splashed deposits of layered pseudo-tektites,
pillow-like slabs, highly-vesiculated glassy materials and breccia
blocks associated with firing evidence.
The spatial pattern of the fire traces indicates micro-scale ignition
produced by fragmentation at the soil surface of blocks yielding a
hot metal-rich carbonaceous melt due to their re-heating while
re-entering the Earth atmosphere.
The fine debris pattern is suggested to trace dispersion of
ejecta blocks fragmented before reaching the Earth's surface.
___________________________________________________








 



From tinbider at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct 15 02:47:39 2009
From: tinbider at yahoo.co.uk (Aubrey Whymark)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:47:39 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W36169367F6BD44B7C29A65D2C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <142023.97731.qm@web28516.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi Greg

They certainly look for Australite Tektites on the dry lakes in WA. Australites can be picked up, kept, sold, sold abroad. You can't touch the Meteorites in Australia though. If you find one then report it to the Museum. For this reason I doubt that people go out specifically looking for Meteorites as it would cost a lot for zero reward.

Regards,

Aubrey Whymark
www.tektites.co.uk



--- On Wed, 14/10/09, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 10:41 PM
> 
> List:
> 
> The company I work for is doing a project in Australia and
> I'm coordinating the placement of some of our instruments.?
> As I looked at the map in GoogleEarth, I notice (what looks
> like dry lakes) throughout the country; does anyone look for
> meteorites on dry lakes in Australia?
> 
> Greg S.
>  ???
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From schroer at bigpond.com  Thu Oct 15 03:21:53 2009
From: schroer at bigpond.com (W&S Schroer)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:51:53 +1030
Subject: [meteorite-list] MC'S adds    (AD)
Message-ID: <76A095C620B6435B80E1DDDC47A0940E@WERNER>

Hi list,
if it wasn't for MC's adds I would have missed out on a bargain that came up 
on ebay today.

MC doesn't force me to read his adds and neither does he force me to buy the 
items I consider to be too expensive. We all have the choice to ignore his 
postings and for those who hate them so much that they delete them without 
checking out what's behind it, MS Outlook and Outlook Express can be set up 
in a way that they don't show up on the list any more and will be deleted 
automatically.

I fully agree with Richard Kowalski, if Michael's adds should become a 
nuisance I will ignore them and if they become a pest, I will do what I 
wrote above.

But I have no problem with the way it is at the moment and if other dealers 
are thinking about stretching the limit a bit further, that's fine with me 
too.
My average annual budget set aside for meteorites is around the $10,000 
mark. It's up to the individual dealer to find the right way to take that 
money home.

Cheers
Werner Schroer 



From mark.ford at ssl.gb.com  Thu Oct 15 03:51:59 2009
From: mark.ford at ssl.gb.com (Mark Ford)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:51:59 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia
In-Reply-To: <142023.97731.qm@web28516.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <SNT117-W36169367F6BD44B7C29A65D2C60@phx.gbl>
	<142023.97731.qm@web28516.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C49725346@gamma.ssl.atw>


>> For this reason I doubt that people go out specifically looking for Meteorites as it would cost a lot for zero reward.

Yep, a classic case of another country not thinking through it's meteorite collecting laws, you ban exports/free trade and strangely enough all the new finds dry up, (while the rocks rust away). There's a lesson there somewhere.


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Whymark
Sent: 15 October 2009 07:48
To: Greg Stanley; meteorite list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia

Hi Greg

They certainly look for Australite Tektites on the dry lakes in WA. Australites can be picked up, kept, sold, sold abroad. You can't touch the Meteorites in Australia though. If you find one then report it to the Museum. For this reason I doubt that people go out specifically looking for Meteorites as it would cost a lot for zero reward.

Regards,

Aubrey Whymark
www.tektites.co.uk



--- On Wed, 14/10/09, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 10:41 PM
> 
> List:
> 
> The company I work for is doing a project in Australia and
> I'm coordinating the placement of some of our instruments. 
> As I looked at the map in GoogleEarth, I notice (what looks
> like dry lakes) throughout the country; does anyone look for
> meteorites on dry lakes in Australia?
> 
> Greg S.
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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 03:59:06 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:59:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor
Message-ID: <366557.52548.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A while ago some friends & I had a discussion about how meteor(ite)s are portrayed on TV and in the movies. It sparked a memory about the meteorite that fell on Gilligan's Island. (If you aren't familiar with the program, see here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilligan%27s_Island)

Recently I got the DVD from Netflix that contained the episode and grabbed a few frames from the key points in the show and thought I'd share them with the list.

For those who have forgotten the plot of "Meet the Meteor", (How could anyone forget such a classic?) I'll write some reminders to go along with the images.

After Gilligan spotted the falling fireball, he and the Skipper went to investigate and found the glowing, perfectly spherical object in a nice, small crater.

http://www.fullmoonphotography.net/images/Meteorites/GI/fall.jpg

The Professor built a crude Geiger counter to check the meteorite for radiation. He found "none", but determined that the meteorite was giving off Cosmic Rays, so they refined lead ore (where they would find that on a coral atoll is beyond me), and coated their clothes in lead, made lead based make-up to protect their skin and a screen to shield themselves from the Cosmic Rays, all of which apparently worked as expected. (Could the Professor do anything less?)

http://www.fullmoonphotography.net/images/Meteorites/GI/lead_protection.jpg

As they left, Gilligan trips over a sapling. Only a minute later they hear something strange. On their return they find the screen has turned to saw dust and the sapling is now a fully grown tree, as can be seen to the right of the frame.

http://www.fullmoonphotography.net/images/Meteorites/GI/accel.jpg

The Professor determines they need to blow up the meteorite to save everyone's life. Gilligan has a dream about them all aging while they await the next lightning storm, only to be awaken by said storm. He runs with the lightning rod the Professor created, trips, but it ends up being stuck in the meteorite, which then attracts lightning bolts, which eventually cause the meteorite to explode into nothingness, again as expected.

http://www.fullmoonphotography.net/images/Meteorites/GI/lightning.jpg

I guess one could say this episode is just about as realistic as any other show or movie about meteor(ite)s... Strange though that I've yet to see a photo of Mike Farmer, Greg Hupe' & Robert Ward out in the field coated in lead!

:)



--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


      


From damoclid at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 04:11:57 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:11:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor
In-Reply-To: <366557.52548.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <601855.30840.qm@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


> Strange though that I've yet to see a photo of Mike Farmer,
> Greg Hupe' & Robert Ward out in the field coated in
> lead!
> 
> :)
> 
> 

Now before anyone misunderstands or misinterprets this comment, I am in >>no way<< suggesting any of them resemble, even remotely, any of these characters!

Richard


      


From info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar  Thu Oct 15 07:22:48 2009
From: info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar (Eduardo)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:22:48 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay ending tomorrow. Very low prices. AD
In-Reply-To: <743973.99559.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B0000044680@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

Hi
I think I never seen so low prices the day before one of my auction ends.

quick link here:
http://shop.ebay.com/smfmeteorites/m.html?_nkw

Some extremely rare meteorites this time, only one available so this is
your only chance (at least from me): Hinojal, Chajari, Palca de Aparzo,
Nogoya, Cuenca del Tiburon, Cat Mountain. 

Last month there was a discussion about Kem Kem. 
One of the specimens in the auction is Kem Kem 15. Michael Casper realized
that this one was different than other Kem Kem and put a different name on
it. Less than 30 Kem Kem meteorites were labelled with a number and most
of them are gone, so if you want have a specimen go ahead and bid, is a
47g specimen cut by half so ready to be studied and is still at $0.99!. 

One more hint to make a good buy here. One of the auctions that did not
start at $0.99 was mistakenly priced, next time will be 50% more
expensive. I will not say which one. Just find the bargain and get it.

If you just want to see the photos, go ahead, and if you want to bid on
any of them great!.


Eduardo
IMCA 0645



From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu Oct 15 07:57:33 2009
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:57:33 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor
References: <601855.30840.qm@web33906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F0E35F2D1EC345ECBCD800949D95086B@Gregor>

Hi Richard,

There are times I feel like Gilligan, the Professor and the Skipper. 
Sometimes all in one day, sometimes separately.

I guess I better make that lead suit so I can slide right through the 
airport x-ray machines with a few stones and not get hassled!! ;-) On the 
other hand, I might get lead poisoning if I do not mix in enough protective 
aloe with the lead based make-up!

On a side note: I won't be able to post any sales Ads for about two weeks 
because I will be at an undisclosed location!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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NaturesVault (eBay)
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www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
To: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor


>
>> Strange though that I've yet to see a photo of Mike Farmer,
>> Greg Hupe' & Robert Ward out in the field coated in
>> lead!
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>
> Now before anyone misunderstands or misinterprets this comment, I am in 
>  >>no way<< suggesting any of them resemble, even remotely, any of these 
> characters!
>
> Richard
>
>
>
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From mpg4444 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 08:36:52 2009
From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:36:52 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
Message-ID: <ad733150910150536l726a6cc3taa9c630ad24c6afe@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_north.php

Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
Wednesday 14 October 2009

Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular fireball or meteorite
over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening skies.

The police emergency number, Dutch coastguard and KNMI weather bureau
report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite, which was seen in
Germany and Belgium.

'I was standing in front of my window when there was a bright flash of
light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into three smaller
ones,' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in Groningen province
told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later, perhaps half a
minute, there was a low rumble and the windows shook.'

Excellent Photographs:

http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html#


From mpg4444 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 08:44:41 2009
From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:44:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite triggers panic calls to police
Message-ID: <ad733150910150544ua07c24fr4f30f4356444fd1e@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/10/13/ufo-scare-northern-germany/shooting-star-meteorite-creates-panic.html

UFO scare in Germany as shooting star appears in sky

Panic broke out in northern Germany after hundreds of frightened
residents called police over what they thought was a UFO.

What appears to have actually been a meteorite created a flood of
calls to police and fire departments on Tuesday evening from worried
people.

Officials in Bremen, Hamburg, North Rhine-Westphalia and Lower Saxony
received calls from concerned citizens about a ?burning ball? and
?bright object in the sky.?

?All of a sudden there was a ball-of-light in the sky, definitely
bigger than a shooting star,? said Christian Pokropp (30) to BILD.de.

The man was jogging along the river Elbe in Hamburg and saw the
"shining ball" at 6:50pm.

?The people along the river watched the spectacle as if magnetized,?
said Pokropp.

?It lasted about six seconds before the object broke into four parts
and looked like a small fireball, which began to dim. For minutes you
could make out streaks of smoke in the sky.?

After several calls, the police department in Bremen alerted aviation
authorities and dispatched a patrol car. A spokesperson for the Bremen
Police Department, Dirk Siemering, told BILD.de: ?It remains
mysterious.?

According to Siemering, callers saw the ball ?crumble apart and fall
to the ground.? Others eye-witnesses reported a big explosion.

After an emergency call in Neubrandenburg, police controlled the area
around Waren. ?We first checked to see if any gas tanks or natural gas
was burning somewhere,? explained another spokesperson.

A driver reported seeing ?something burning green about 10 kilometers
away? while driving on Bundesstrasse 192 between Neubrandenburg and
Waren.

According to ?Express? one witness posted on an Internet forum: ?This
evening I saw a weird green glowing ball with a fiery tail falling
through sky in Dortmund between the train station and U-Turm.

"Somehow it dissolved in the sky. First I thought it was a rocket, but
its trajectory was too weird.?

Hobby astronomer Werner Walter, who runs a UFO research network called
CENAP in Mannheim, fielded calls and reports until the late night from
witnesses in Brandenburg, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Hamburg and North
Rhine-Westphalia.

According to Walter's reports, eye-witnesses described a ?white-green
glowing ball? with a tail that raced downwards ?silently for several
seconds?.

But what did people actually see in the sky?

Walter assumes that the phenomenon was a shooting star which fell into
the earth?s atmosphere and disintegrated.


From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Thu Oct 15 09:08:13 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:08:13 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
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Hi Jason, list,

I found out, that Art, the administrator IS Steve Arnold, Chicago
and that he has running a bet with Cottingham, whether Michael can create
more than hundred repetitions of the name "Cottingham" in the title of
list-mails, reacting on his excessive advertising.

Jason & newbies. Cottingham is not the only dealer on the planet, who has a
large stock of meteorites for sale. There are several with similar amounts
of material and interesting meteorites.
How many members has the list? 1000? Many of them collectors, who want to
sell or swap here and there pieces too.

Note that all professional major dealers use this list for solely
advertising: Novelties, rare types, pieces with exceptional characteristics,
rare historical specimens, "hot" deals below market price.

Could you imagine, how it would end, if all of them would advertise like a
Cottingham, if they would advertise their bulk, if all of them would
obtrusively advertise each single piece with ads so long until it is sold
like Chicago-Steve is doing it?

We would have more than a thousand ads a week.

I guess many, if not most members appreciate the list as a source of
information (to a certain degree ads belong into that category) and
inspiration and enjoy the discussions.

I really doubt, that anyone of them would be in the mood to rummage daily
through hundred ads, to find the sparsely scattered posts with some more
witty contents. Neither do have all the time to do that, nor is an offered
meteorite to the same extend interesting for all meteorite people.
It would be like the annoying occupation to search through the hundreds of
Campos, fake Nantans, mainstream material on ebay, to find the two or three
auctions a week, which fit in ones focus, budget ect.

It would be the end of this list. Full stop.

The newer members maybe don't understand, that this vintage-mailing-list
isn't a forum where e.g. ads are sorted in an own board, so that they can be
ignored by those, not interested in. And that this form of conversation is
based on a different etiquette, than fast communication forms like a
chat-room.

So keeping in mind, that here on the list are enrolled quite all of the
largest dealers, the most successful hunters of the planet and a good share
of the collectors of the world,
Jason, then I have to say, the discipline to obey to the 1-Ad-per-week-rule
is remarkable and the rule works well.

Everyone connives at an offerer, if he's somewhat excited and breaks the
rule, as long it remains an isolated case.

And if you look back, with all those many people here having meteorites for
sale,
in fact only two persons suffer from incontinence and nocturia.


....and here I see the problem, that new members see that the recklessness
of two members (out of 1000) isn't sanctioned, so that they could feel
invited to act in the same manner.

I think, they won't sell more, if they advertise several times per week.
Decisive for a purchase are for a collector the properties and the qualities
of the offered specimen, the price - and often enough his opinion on the
seller too. I could imagine, that for some collectors it could be even
deterrent, to think about purchasing from a person, who present himself in
public so impolite, reckless and egomaniac.

Well, my thoughts only,
open the list for unrestricted spamming
and you will loose half of the members.
(and then it won't be attractive anymore to advertise here...)
You'll see.

Martin 



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason
Utas
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2009 05:18
An: Meteorite-list
Betreff: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule

Hola All,
The rule was only good so long as dealers upheld it.
It was originally put in place to limit Steve Arnold's (Chicago)
postings, but it failed.  Other dealers seemed happy enough to go
along with it on their own out of, for lack of a better word, courtesy
to other list members, who generally agreed that it was a good thing
to do (at the time).  It seems apparent now that most list members
have no problem with dealers posting to the list as often as they
wish, so it would appear as though the rule is no longer being
advocated by either dealers or common list-users/readers.
Thus the rule is, I would say, now null and void.
For better or worse, so be it.
But if you can't enforce it, and people won't follow it, it doesn't
make much of a rule.  And if a select few choose to go against it, it
kind of screws over the other dealers who still abide by it, so I say
to hell with it.
We'll see what happens to the list...this could be interesting.

Oh - and I'll have some ebay auctions up later tonight for those of
you who may be interested - hopefully within the next hour, but it may
take two to finish it all up.

Regards,
Jason
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From garychase at live.com  Thu Oct 15 09:48:14 2009
From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:48:14 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
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Martin and List...........
=20
You have a good point Martin=2C it is all about respect for other list memb=
ers.  Every dealer bends the rules a little but 10 ads in 14 days?  That is=
 just in your face spamming and disregard for the rules.  Everybody knows h=
e has an ebay store by now unless they have been living under a rock=2C so =
what is so hard to just check it daily for those interested and make a 50% =
offer off of his inflated asking prices?
=20
Matin also has a good point on how this list would die if every dealer post=
ed 10 ads in 14 days.  So I will throw down a challenge to all dealers on t=
he list:
=20
Post an ad of your own every time Cottingham violates the rules.  This will=
=20
force the issue.  Either the rule will be enforced or it will be officially=
 eliminated.
=20
Also=2C to those of you who sent me private emails in support of my complai=
ning  about the Nigerian spammer on this list=2C you can participate too.  =
Since you are not dealers=2C just post an ad reminding everyone of other me=
teorites that may be for sale on ebay that are not your own.  This is kind =
of like supporting your favorite dealer.
=20
Gary
=20

> From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 15:08:13 +0200
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
>=20
> Hi Jason=2C list=2C
>=20
> I found out=2C that Art=2C the administrator IS Steve Arnold=2C Chicago
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> more than hundred repetitions of the name "Cottingham" in the title of
> list-mails=2C reacting on his excessive advertising.
>=20
> Jason & newbies. Cottingham is not the only dealer on the planet=2C who h=
as a
> large stock of meteorites for sale. There are several with similar amount=
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> of material and interesting meteorites.
> How many members has the list? 1000? Many of them collectors=2C who want =
to
> sell or swap here and there pieces too.
>=20
> Note that all professional major dealers use this list for solely
> advertising: Novelties=2C rare types=2C pieces with exceptional character=
istics=2C
> rare historical specimens=2C "hot" deals below market price.
>=20
> Could you imagine=2C how it would end=2C if all of them would advertise l=
ike a
> Cottingham=2C if they would advertise their bulk=2C if all of them would
> obtrusively advertise each single piece with ads so long until it is sold
> like Chicago-Steve is doing it?
>=20
> We would have more than a thousand ads a week.
>=20
> I guess many=2C if not most members appreciate the list as a source of
> information (to a certain degree ads belong into that category) and
> inspiration and enjoy the discussions.
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> I really doubt=2C that anyone of them would be in the mood to rummage dai=
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> through hundred ads=2C to find the sparsely scattered posts with some mor=
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> witty contents. Neither do have all the time to do that=2C nor is an offe=
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> meteorite to the same extend interesting for all meteorite people.
> It would be like the annoying occupation to search through the hundreds o=
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> Campos=2C fake Nantans=2C mainstream material on ebay=2C to find the two =
or three
> auctions a week=2C which fit in ones focus=2C budget ect.
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> It would be the end of this list. Full stop.
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> The newer members maybe don't understand=2C that this vintage-mailing-lis=
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> So keeping in mind=2C that here on the list are enrolled quite all of the
> largest dealers=2C the most successful hunters of the planet and a good s=
hare
> of the collectors of the world=2C
> Jason=2C then I have to say=2C the discipline to obey to the 1-Ad-per-wee=
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> Everyone connives at an offerer=2C if he's somewhat excited and breaks th=
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> rule=2C as long it remains an isolated case.
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> And if you look back=2C with all those many people here having meteorites=
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> ....and here I see the problem=2C that new members see that the recklessn=
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> I think=2C they won't sell more=2C if they advertise several times per we=
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> Decisive for a purchase are for a collector the properties and the qualit=
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> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason
> Utas
> Gesendet: Donnerstag=2C 15. Oktober 2009 05:18
> An: Meteorite-list
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
>=20
> Hola All=2C
> The rule was only good so long as dealers upheld it.
> It was originally put in place to limit Steve Arnold's (Chicago)
> postings=2C but it failed. Other dealers seemed happy enough to go
> along with it on their own out of=2C for lack of a better word=2C courtes=
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> to other list members=2C who generally agreed that it was a good thing
> to do (at the time). It seems apparent now that most list members
> have no problem with dealers posting to the list as often as they
> wish=2C so it would appear as though the rule is no longer being
> advocated by either dealers or common list-users/readers.
> Thus the rule is=2C I would say=2C now null and void.
> For better or worse=2C so be it.
> But if you can't enforce it=2C and people won't follow it=2C it doesn't
> make much of a rule. And if a select few choose to go against it=2C it
> kind of screws over the other dealers who still abide by it=2C so I say
> to hell with it.
> We'll see what happens to the list...this could be interesting.
>=20
> Oh - and I'll have some ebay auctions up later tonight for those of
> you who may be interested - hopefully within the next hour=2C but it may
> take two to finish it all up.
>=20
> Regards=2C
> Jason
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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 10:09:22 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:09:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wildfires and "Clovis Comat"
Message-ID: <119958.98145.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In "Holocene Start Impacts: EP Grondine: Rich Murray 2009.10.15" at
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2009-October/057362.html ,
Rich Murray wrote:

"I'm glad to see a new consensus rapidly evolving re widespread
Holocene Start impacts from myriad fragments of an 13 Ka BP
ice comet."

What consensus? Given that many paleoclimatologists, archaeologists,
and Quaternary geologists are having extreme problems reproducing
the results by Firestone, West, and others, it looks like the "Clovis Comet"
is turning into fiasco like the Permian-Triassic extinction claims where
Luanne Becker and scientists claimed to have found positive proof of
a Permian--Triassic extraterrestrial impact only to have it all fall apart
when other geologists, paleontologists, and paleopedologists tried to
reproduced their results and critically examined their findings. 

A good example of this is a  recent paper that discusses evidence 
related to the "Clovis Comet" hypothesis of Firestone, west, and 
others is:

Marlon, J. R., P. J. Bartlein, M. K. Walsh, S. P. Harrison, K. J. 
Brown, M. E. Edwards, P. E. Higuera, M. J. Power, R. S. Anderson,
C. Briles, A. Brunelle, C. Carcaillet, M. Daniels, F. S. Hu, M. 
Lavoiem, C. Longn, T. Minckley, P. J. H. Richard, A. C. Scott,
D. S. Shafer, W. Tinners, C. E. Umbanhowar, Jr., and C. Whitlock,
2009, Wildfire responses to abrupt climate change in North America.
Proceedinds of the National Academy of Sciences. vol. 106, no. 8,
pp. 2519-2524. doi: 10.1073/pnas.0808212106 

Abstract at:

 http://www.pnas.org/content/106/8/2519

The abstract in part states:

"We also test the hypothesis that a comet impact initiated 
continental-scale wildfires at 12.9 ka; the data do not support 
this idea, nor are continent-wide fires indicated at any time 
during deglaciation."

and

"Biomass burning gradually increased from the glacial period to
the beginning of the Younger Dryas. Although there are changes 
in biomass burning during the Younger Dryas, there is no 
systematic trend. There is a further increase in biomass burning 
after the Younger Dryas. Intervals of rapid climate change at 
13.9, 13.2, and 11.7 ka are marked by large increases in fire 
activity."

This paper concluded:

"No continent-wide fire response is observed at the beginning
 of the Younger Dryas chronozone, the time of the hypothesized 
comet impact. The results provide no evidence of synchronous 
continent-wide biomass burning at any time during the LGIT."

Note "LGIT" = last glacial?interglacial transition.

It is quite clear from this paper that the alleged "consensus" on
the "Clovis Comet" is quite imaginary. It looks like the validity
of the Clovis Comet is far from settled as there are many papers,
both pro and con, that are either in press or in preparation. 

Yours,

Paul H.


      


From damoclid at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 10:16:29 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:16:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor
In-Reply-To: <F0E35F2D1EC345ECBCD800949D95086B@Gregor>
Message-ID: <197963.7960.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Greg,

just make sure your travel agent does not book you on a three hour tour!


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:

> From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor
> To: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>, "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 4:57 AM
> Hi Richard,
> 
> There are times I feel like Gilligan, the Professor and the
> Skipper. Sometimes all in one day, sometimes separately.
> 
> I guess I better make that lead suit so I can slide right
> through the airport x-ray machines with a few stones and not
> get hassled!! ;-) On the other hand, I might get lead
> poisoning if I do not mix in enough protective aloe with the
> lead based make-up!
> 
> On a side note: I won't be able to post any sales Ads for
> about two weeks because I will be at an undisclosed
> location!
> 
> Best regards,
> Greg
> 
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA 3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
> 



      


From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 10:12:47 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:12:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <000d01ca4d98$ad444260$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
References: <93aaac890910142018ub139a3fv324ac6efda5a6090@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01ca4d98$ad444260$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <318211.97776.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List,

The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art about advertising in his forum.  Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse.  The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week should be  a rule.   List members input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well. 

I know of several people who will not subscribe due to the number of ads, some of which instead read the archives on a daily basis. Even then, scrolling through hundreds of ads would drown out more useful information in the archives which are permanent and cannot be deleted. An ads usefulness disappears immediately, yet it is stuck for eternity in the archives.  The delete key will not help here.  A lot of forums will not allow any advertisements so we should feel lucky.

Art would not have made the rule if he felt it was not important. Out of respect for him and other members, I feel the rule should be honored or we might all lose our advertising privileges due to a few members who cannot and will not control themselves.

Best Regards,

Adam


From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu Oct 15 10:32:58 2009
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:32:58 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor
References: <197963.7960.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56B37D6B85374341B79FA8B17F7D753E@Gregor>

Hi Richard,

And hopefully it will be "Round Trip"! :-)

"A Three Hour Tour..." sounds like a comfortable amount of time...unlike 
some of the 14-hour flights I have been on!!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
To: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Greg Hupe" 
<gmhupe at htn.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor


> Greg,
>
> just make sure your travel agent does not book you on a three hour tour!
>
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA #1081
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor
>> To: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>, "meteorite list" 
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 4:57 AM
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> There are times I feel like Gilligan, the Professor and the
>> Skipper. Sometimes all in one day, sometimes separately.
>>
>> I guess I better make that lead suit so I can slide right
>> through the airport x-ray machines with a few stones and not
>> get hassled!! ;-) On the other hand, I might get lead
>> poisoning if I do not mix in enough protective aloe with the
>> lead based make-up!
>>
>> On a side note: I won't be able to post any sales Ads for
>> about two weeks because I will be at an undisclosed
>> location!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Greg
>>
>> ====================
>> Greg Hupe
>> The Hupe Collection
>> NaturesVault (eBay)
>> gmhupe at htn.net
>> www.LunarRock.com
>> IMCA 3163
>> ====================
>> Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>>
>
>
>
>
> 




From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 15 12:26:26 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:26:26 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Plots About Meteorites
Message-ID: <SNT117-W4882BB7722655F2AB68F85D2C50@phx.gbl>


List:

This gave me an idea, and I think it would be fun:

Let's have members start a list of TV shows or Movies where the plot is related to meteorites, like the Gilligan's Island episode.? I used to watch that show every day in the '70's and I don't remember it, and I think I would.

I'll start with a few:

"The Meteor Man"
"Creepshow" Stephen King
"Outer Limits" episode "The Inheritors" Two parts - This is a fantastic Outer Limits

Greg S.
 		 	   		  
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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 12:38:24 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:38:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Plots About Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W4882BB7722655F2AB68F85D2C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <407893.69844.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just a few others

That horribly bad made for TV movie this year "Meteor"

The disaster movie of the same name from 1979 with a a lot of big name actors, including Sean Connery, Brian Keith, Natalie Wood, Karl Malden...

Teenage Monster - Meteor Monster, 1957

The Internet Movie Database also lists a number of other "meteor" movies. theater and tv, most of them outside the US:

http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=meteor 

If you enter the search term "meteor threatens earth" you find 19 "best of" titles, some that are actually interesting and informative documentaries:

http://www.imdb.com/keyword/meteor-threatens-earth/


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Plots About Meteorites
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:26 AM
> 
> List:
> 
> This gave me an idea, and I think it would be fun:
> 
> Let's have members start a list of TV shows or Movies where
> the plot is related to meteorites, like the Gilligan's
> Island episode.? I used to watch that show every day in the
> '70's and I don't remember it, and I think I would.
> 
> I'll start with a few:
> 
> "The Meteor Man"
> "Creepshow" Stephen King
> "Outer Limits" episode "The Inheritors" Two parts - This is
> a fantastic Outer Limits
> 
> Greg S.
>  ???
> ????????
> ?????? ???
> ? 
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From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Oct 15 14:33:13 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:33:13 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Time to play "Hammer or Scammer"
In-Reply-To: <119958.98145.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <119958.98145.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4mqed5dm7qsc7i1gtnj3h8mvf2flearb7p@4ax.com>

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2127299

 Grimsby meteorite found
Updated 32 mins ago
	

The Grimsby space rock has been found.

A fragment of meteorite the size of a golf ball smashed in the windshield of a
Grimsby family's sport utility vehicle on Sept. 25, according to a media release
from the University of Western Ontario.

Astronomers released a video Oct. 7 of a blinding meteor streaking across the
skies of Southern Ontario three weeks ago, estimating pieces may have landed in
Grimsby or West Lincoln.

Meteorite hunters have been scouring the area ever since.

A press conference to discuss the find is scheduled for Friday morning.


From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Thu Oct 15 13:20:23 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:20:23 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <318211.97776.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091015182023.TYQBQ.878054.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

I think that the adverts add to the list and I would be disappointed if they were to disappear altogether...but too many would be a shame.

Michael's email has however done exactly what he intended...I think? and drawn even more attention to his sales and many many more emails 'advertising his sales' than he might ever post!!!. Great marketing.

Graham E UK

---- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Dear List,
> 
> The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art about advertising in his forum.  Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse.  The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week should be  a rule.   List members input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well. 
> 
> I know of several people who will not subscribe due to the number of ads, some of which instead read the archives on a daily basis. Even then, scrolling through hundreds of ads would drown out more useful information in the archives which are permanent and cannot be deleted. An ads usefulness disappears immediately, yet it is stuck for eternity in the archives.  The delete key will not help here.  A lot of forums will not allow any advertisements so we should feel lucky.
> 
> Art would not have made the rule if he felt it was not important. Out of respect for him and other members, I feel the rule should be honored or we might all lose our advertising privileges due to a few members who cannot and will not control themselves.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Adam
> ______________________________________________
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From rlenssen at planet.nl  Thu Oct 15 13:50:47 2009
From: rlenssen at planet.nl (Rob Lenssen)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:50:47 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
References: <ad733150910150536l726a6cc3taa9c630ad24c6afe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B9BDFE30BF8460FA255463EB8BD8C76@EIGENAARNJEQJY>

Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Groetz" <mpg4444 at gmail.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen


> http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_north.php
>
> Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
> Wednesday 14 October 2009
>
> Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular fireball or meteorite
> over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening skies.
>
> The police emergency number, Dutch coastguard and KNMI weather bureau
> report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite, which was seen in
> Germany and Belgium.
>
> 'I was standing in front of my window when there was a bright flash of
> light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into three smaller
> ones,' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in Groningen province
> told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later, perhaps half a
> minute, there was a low rumble and the windows shook.'
>
> Excellent Photographs:
>
> http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html#
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 14:04:31 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:04:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
In-Reply-To: <4B9BDFE30BF8460FA255463EB8BD8C76@EIGENAARNJEQJY>
Message-ID: <823559.67655.qm@web33901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Beautiful catch Rob!


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Rob Lenssen <rlenssen at planet.nl> wrote:

> From: Rob Lenssen <rlenssen at planet.nl>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
> To: "Meteorite List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:50 AM
> Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Groetz" <mpg4444 at gmail.com>
> To: "Meteorite List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north
> Groningen
> 
> 
> > http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_north.php
> >
> > Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
> > Wednesday 14 October 2009
> >
> > Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular
> fireball or meteorite
> > over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening
> skies.
> >
> > The police emergency number, Dutch coastguard and KNMI
> weather bureau
> > report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite,
> which was seen in
> > Germany and Belgium.
> >
> > 'I was standing in front of my window when there was a
> bright flash of
> > light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into
> three smaller
> > ones,' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in
> Groningen province
> > told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later,
> perhaps half a
> > minute, there was a low rumble and the windows
> shook.'
> >
> > Excellent Photographs:
> >
> > http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html#
> > ______________________________________________
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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> 
> 
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Thu Oct 15 14:14:07 2009
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 15 Oct 2009 18:14:07 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000007D0000413D@paulinet.de>

Hello Rob, Richard, and List,

=> Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/

Picture #3 looks almost exactly like the Peekskill multiple
fireball did while fragmenting into several smaller pieces !

Bernd



From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 14:40:32 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:40:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <20091015182023.TYQBQ.878054.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <20091015182023.TYQBQ.878054.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <579703.88333.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



A well written advertisement only needs to be run once.  Once a week would allow for the release of 52 different meteorites in a year!  The point is that if everybody ran 20  ads a month X 12months X 900 members you would have over  216,000 extra posts a year.  It is disprespectful not to honor Art's and the majority of the List member's wishes.  List members voted for the one-ad-per-week rule and as the above formula suggests, a few bad apples post way too many advertisements.  They are jeopardizing the other members' ability to advertise just once a week.  Art could just say, "NO MORE ADS, PERIOD" like many forums have already done but thankfully he has an extremely long fuse.

Best Regards,

Adam




----- Original Message ----
From: "ensoramanda at ntlworld.com" <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:20:23 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule

I think that the adverts add to the list and I would be disappointed if they were to disappear altogether...but too many would be a shame.

Michael's email has however done exactly what he intended...I think? and drawn even more attention to his sales and many many more emails 'advertising his sales' than he might ever post!!!. Great marketing.

Graham E UK

---- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Dear List,
> 
> The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art about advertising in his forum.  Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse.  The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week should be  a rule.   List members input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well. 
> 
> I know of several people who will not subscribe due to the number of ads, some of which instead read the archives on a daily basis. Even then, scrolling through hundreds of ads would drown out more useful information in the archives which are permanent and cannot be deleted. An ads usefulness disappears immediately, yet it is stuck for eternity in the archives.  The delete key will not help here.  A lot of forums will not allow any advertisements so we should feel lucky.
> 
> Art would not have made the rule if he felt it was not important. Out of respect for him and other members, I feel the rule should be honored or we might all lose our advertising privileges due to a few members who cannot and will not control themselves.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Adam
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 15 15:11:58 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:11:58 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
In-Reply-To: <4B9BDFE30BF8460FA255463EB8BD8C76@EIGENAARNJEQJY>
References: <ad733150910150536l726a6cc3taa9c630ad24c6afe@mail.gmail.com>
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Very nice!=A0 Did everyone make a wish?

Greg S.

----------------------------------------
> From: rlenssen at planet.nl
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 19:50:47 +0200
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
>
> Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Groetz"=20
> To: "Meteorite List"=20
> Sent: Thursday=2C October 15=2C 2009 2:36 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
>
>
>> http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_no=
rth.php
>>
>> Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
>> Wednesday 14 October 2009
>>
>> Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular fireball or meteorite
>> over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening skies.
>>
>> The police emergency number=2C Dutch coastguard and KNMI weather bureau
>> report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite=2C which was seen in
>> Germany and Belgium.
>>
>> 'I was standing in front of my window when there was a bright flash of
>> light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into three smaller
>> ones=2C' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in Groningen province
>> told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later=2C perhaps half a
>> minute=2C there was a low rumble and the windows shook.'
>>
>> Excellent Photographs:
>>
>> http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html#
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
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From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 15:13:11 2009
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:13:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <318211.97776.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <443142.99933.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

<The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art about advertising in his forum.  Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse.  The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week should be  a rule.   List members input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well.> <SNIP>
>
>
This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record as saying that he did not mind ads.
What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a part of what is  basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week". 
Then, rather than shut up,  these 4 or 5 people decide to declare themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own.
Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored).
Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically ruining things for everybody.
Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no ownership or control of this list?
The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos.
Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself.
Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us.
And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election).
I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that.
Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your attacks anymore
Sincerely
DEAN






      


From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 15:35:27 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:35:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <443142.99933.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <443142.99933.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <32220.59157.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dean,

Check the archives. As usual, you are flat out wrong. Art made the rule, not four or five members.  This is his forum and his rules. Several members weighed in before the decision was made.

Take Care,

Adam

 






----- Original Message ----
From: dean bessey <deanbessey at yahoo.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 12:13:11 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule

<The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art about advertising in his forum.  Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse.  The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week should be  a rule.   List members input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well.> <SNIP>
>
>
This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record as saying that he did not mind ads.
What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a part of what is  basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week". 
Then, rather than shut up,  these 4 or 5 people decide to declare themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own.
Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored).
Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically ruining things for everybody.
Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no ownership or control of this list?
The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos.
Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself.
Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us.
And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election).
I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that.
Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your attacks anymore
Sincerely
DEAN






      
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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 15:33:00 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:33:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby, Ontario bolide info
Message-ID: <21129.69020.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rob Matson asked me to forward this to the list
--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

RE: Grimsby, Ontario bolide info
Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:23 PM
From: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>



At the beginning of the week I contacted Dr. Peter Brown at University
of Western
Ontario, letting him know that the Grimsby bolide terminal burst had
been captured
on NexRad Doppler radar images taken in Buffalo, New York. I created
several maps
of the radar returns at three different altitudes, showing that the
terminal burst
location is in perfect agreement with UWO's solution (triangulated from
seven
all-sky cameras). I shared this information with Dr. Tony Phillips at
SpaceWeather,
and he has provided links on his site to a couple of the radar images I
created:

http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=12&month=10&year=2009

A wide-area map is here:

http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/13oct09/Grimsby_5100m.jpg

And a second map zoomed in on the terminal burst cloud is here:

http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/13oct09/Grimsby_Zoom_5100m.jpg

As the filenames suggest, the Doppler beam altitude at this location was
a little
over 5 km, and the area covered is roughly a mile wide by 2 miles long.
(There
were also colocated radar returns at 6.5 km and 3.7 km, though the
largest
returns were at 5.1 km.)? Judging from where meteorites were found in
Park
Forest and Ash Creek (West), I would expect a number of meteorites to be
found
directly beneath the strongest radar returns, with sizes generally
increasing
as you move to the east-southeast.

I have not yet seen any images of the purported golf-ball-sized
meteorite that
hit the SUV, nor do I know where this SUV was parked, so can't judge
whether
it's a legitimate possibility.

--Rob 




      


From garychase at live.com  Thu Oct 15 15:33:53 2009
From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:33:53 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
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You would not believe how many people emailed me directly in support of cal=
ling out Cottingscam on his spamming of the list.
=20
Just wait=2C a few have expressed support of my suggestion to posting "me t=
oo" ads right after the scammer posts more than his one per week allotment.
=20
If it is OK to ignore the one ad per week rule then why not other rules?
=20
I like flame wars=2C I know it is against the rules but I guess under your =
guidelines it would be OK to start one=2C right Dean?   Rules were meant to=
 be broken=2C Right Dean?
=20
This list is quickly decending into anarchy.
=20
Gary
> Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 12:13:11 -0700
> From: deanbessey at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
>=20
> <The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art about a=
dvertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege=2C not a right and Art =
was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. The consensus=2C at the =
time=2C was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-wee=
k should be a rule. List members input was taken into account so this was n=
ot only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well.> <SNIP>
>>
>>
> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record=
 as saying that he did not mind ads.
> What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's=
 list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to m=
any" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the l=
ist with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcont=
ents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a pa=
rt of what is basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK=2C one=
 a week".=20
> Then=2C rather than shut up=2C these 4 or 5 people decide to declare them=
selves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the mo=
st minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough =
to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselv=
es and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own.
> Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack po=
stings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The=
 fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking effor=
ts is conveniently ignored).
> Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or=
 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or b=
lock sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that peopl=
e are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some g=
overnments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bicke=
ring. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 peo=
ple that is basically ruining things for everybody.
> Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of=
 us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand =
that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather th=
an the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you=
 somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even tho=
ugh you have no ownership or control of this list?
> The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos.
> Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need a=
rts permission to leave. You can do it yourself.
> Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you h=
ave a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us.
> And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what =
the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out no=
t the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will o=
f 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the afterma=
t of an Iranian election).
> I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to en=
tertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves b=
y complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for ever=
y one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are su=
rely happy about that.
> Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your=
 attacks anymore
> Sincerely
> DEAN
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From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Oct 15 16:04:09 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:04:09 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Grimsby, Ontario bolide info
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To: <cynapse at charter.net>,
    <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Grimsby, Ontario bolide info
From: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:16:08 -0700

Hi Darren,

(Please feel free to forward to the list on my behalf.)

At the beginning of the week I contacted Dr. Peter Brown at University
of Western
Ontario, letting him know that the Grimsby bolide terminal burst had
been captured
on NexRad Doppler radar images taken in Buffalo, New York. I created
several maps
of the radar returns at three different altitudes, showing that the
terminal burst
location is in perfect agreement with UWO's solution (triangulated from
seven
all-sky cameras). I shared this information with Dr. Tony Phillips at
SpaceWeather,
and he has provided links on his site to a couple of the radar images I
created:

http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=12&month=10&year=2009

A wide-area map is here:

http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/13oct09/Grimsby_5100m.jpg

And a second map zoomed in on the terminal burst cloud is here:

http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/13oct09/Grimsby_Zoom_5100m.jpg

As the filenames suggest, the Doppler beam altitude at this location was
a little
over 5 km, and the area covered is roughly a mile wide by 2 miles long.
(There
were also colocated radar returns at 6.5 km and 3.7 km, though the
largest
returns were at 5.1 km.)  Judging from where meteorites were found in
Park
Forest and Ash Creek (West), I would expect a number of meteorites to be
found
directly beneath the strongest radar returns, with sizes generally
increasing
as you move to the east-southeast.

I have not yet seen any images of the purported golf-ball-sized
meteorite that
hit the SUV, nor do I know where this SUV was parked, so can't judge
whether
it's a legitimate possibility.

--Rob

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Garrison
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:33 AM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Time to play "Hammer or Scammer"

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2127299

 Grimsby meteorite found
Updated 32 mins ago
	

The Grimsby space rock has been found.

A fragment of meteorite the size of a golf ball smashed in the
windshield of a Grimsby family's sport utility vehicle on Sept. 25,
according to a media release from the University of Western Ontario.

Astronomers released a video Oct. 7 of a blinding meteor streaking
across the skies of Southern Ontario three weeks ago, estimating pieces
may have landed in Grimsby or West Lincoln.

Meteorite hunters have been scouring the area ever since.

A press conference to discuss the find is scheduled for Friday morning.
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Thu Oct 15 15:50:13 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:50:13 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
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Hello,

DITTO. Also the days when we had the MOST ads, were the most  
productive on the list. THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON  
METEORITES COINCIDED WITH THE MOST ADS. So a big part of this whole  
topic is BULLSHIT.  If you really want to do it right for THE FIRST  
TIME -have a real vote. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST LONGER THAN 70% of  
the folks on this list. So if you want a true historical perspective  
maybe ask someone who's been here a lot longer than the critics...

Michael Cottingham
On Oct 15, 2009, at 12:13 PM, dean bessey wrote:

> <The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art  
> about advertising in his forum.  Advertising is a privilege, not a  
> right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse.   
> The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being  
> posted and that one-ad-per-week should be  a rule.   List members  
> input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but  
> the majority of other members as well.> <SNIP>
>>
>>
> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on  
> record as saying that he did not mind ads.
> What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack  
> Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from  
> making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months  
> of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically  
> tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that  
> they have the privelidge being a part of what is  basically the best  
> online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week".
> Then, rather than shut up,  these 4 or 5 people decide to declare  
> themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and  
> even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and  
> munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue  
> making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack  
> arts list as if it was their own.
> Then after people started leaving the list because of all these  
> attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because  
> of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their  
> hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored).
> Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been  
> 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete  
> button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike  
> the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural  
> property people in some governments but its an insignificant few).  
> People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around  
> that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically  
> ruining things for everybody.
> Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other  
> 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you  
> to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont  
> you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even  
> if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to  
> unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no  
> ownership or control of this list?
> The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos.
> Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even  
> need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself.
> Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If  
> you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us.
> And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as  
> what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is  
> flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list  
> owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as  
> they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election).
> I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed  
> to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of  
> themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti  
> ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads.  
> The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that.
> Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to  
> your attacks anymore
> Sincerely
> DEAN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From garychase at live.com  Thu Oct 15 16:03:21 2009
From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:03:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
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Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha=
ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less =
than your average.
=20
Gary


----------------------------------------
> From: mikewren at gilanet.com
> To: deanbessey at yahoo.com
> Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 12:50:13 -0700
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
>
> Hello=2C
>
> DITTO. Also the days when we had the MOST ads=2C were the most
> productive on the list. THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON
> METEORITES COINCIDED WITH THE MOST ADS. So a big part of this whole
> topic is BULLSHIT. If you really want to do it right for THE FIRST
> TIME -have a real vote. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST LONGER THAN 70% of
> the folks on this list. So if you want a true historical perspective
> maybe ask someone who's been here a lot longer than the critics...
>
> Michael Cottingham
> On Oct 15=2C 2009=2C at 12:13 PM=2C dean bessey wrote:
>
>>>> about advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege=2C not a
>> right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse.
>> The consensus=2C at the time=2C was that way too many ads were being
>> posted and that one-ad-per-week should be a rule. List members
>> input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but
>> the majority of other members as well.>=20
>>>
>>>
>> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on
>> record as saying that he did not mind ads.
>> What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack
>> Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from
>> making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months
>> of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically
>> tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that
>> they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best
>> online meteorite forum and said "OK=2C one a week".
>> Then=2C rather than shut up=2C these 4 or 5 people decide to declare
>> themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and
>> even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and
>> munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue
>> making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack
>> arts list as if it was their own.
>> Then after people started leaving the list because of all these
>> attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because
>> of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their
>> hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored).
>> Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been
>> 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete
>> button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike
>> the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural
>> property people in some governments but its an insignificant few).
>> People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around
>> that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically
>> ruining things for everybody.
>> Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other
>> 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you
>> to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont
>> you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even
>> if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to
>> unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no
>> ownership or control of this list?
>> The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos.
>> Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even
>> need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself.
>> Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If
>> you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us.
>> And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as
>> what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is
>> flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list
>> owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as
>> they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election).
>> I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed
>> to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of
>> themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti
>> ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads.
>> The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that.
>> Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to
>> your attacks anymore
>> Sincerely
>> DEAN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Oct 15 15:56:36 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:56:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 14, 2009
Message-ID: <200910151956.n9FJuah4002025@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
October 14, 2009

o USGS Dune Database Entry
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014426_2070

o Slope Streaks in Olympus Mons Aureole
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014394_2045

o Light-Toned Units along the Wallrock and Floor of Melas Region
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014339_1710

o Tyrrhena Terra Crater with Central Uplift and Hydrated Minerals
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014333_1715

o Gullies on South-Facing Slopes of Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014271_1480

o Disappearing Craters
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014097_1120

All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.



From mikewren at gilanet.com  Thu Oct 15 16:10:56 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:10:56 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W6593D32F5186BBEAB6DE23D2C50@phx.gbl>
References: <443142.99933.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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Dude you are one of the people who are clueless and YES a vote BY  
Everyone ON The Issue Once And For ALL would be great. I would even  
abide by a REAL vote.

Michael Cottingham



On Oct 15, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Gary Chase wrote:

>
> <9A50131A-6347-4726-BC50-CE7D9454E073 at gilanet.com>
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> Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they  
> want to ha=
> ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is  
> still less =
> than your average.
> =20
> Gary
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com
>> To: deanbessey at yahoo.com
>> Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 12:50:13 -0700
>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
>>
>> Hello=2C
>>
>> DITTO. Also the days when we had the MOST ads=2C were the most
>> productive on the list. THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON
>> METEORITES COINCIDED WITH THE MOST ADS. So a big part of this whole
>> topic is BULLSHIT. If you really want to do it right for THE FIRST
>> TIME -have a real vote. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST LONGER THAN 70% of
>> the folks on this list. So if you want a true historical perspective
>> maybe ask someone who's been here a lot longer than the critics...
>>
>> Michael Cottingham
>> On Oct 15=2C 2009=2C at 12:13 PM=2C dean bessey wrote:
>>
>>>>> about advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege=2C  
>>>>> not a
>>> right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse.
>>> The consensus=2C at the time=2C was that way too many ads were being
>>> posted and that one-ad-per-week should be a rule. List members
>>> input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but
>>> the majority of other members as well.>=20
>>>>
>>>>
>>> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on
>>> record as saying that he did not mind ads.
>>> What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack
>>> Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from
>>> making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months
>>> of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically
>>> tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that
>>> they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best
>>> online meteorite forum and said "OK=2C one a week".
>>> Then=2C rather than shut up=2C these 4 or 5 people decide to declare
>>> themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and
>>> even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and
>>> munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue
>>> making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack
>>> arts list as if it was their own.
>>> Then after people started leaving the list because of all these
>>> attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because
>>> of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their
>>> hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored).
>>> Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been
>>> 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete
>>> button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike
>>> the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural
>>> property people in some governments but its an insignificant few).
>>> People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around
>>> that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically
>>> ruining things for everybody.
>>> Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other
>>> 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you
>>> to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont
>>> you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even
>>> if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to
>>> unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no
>>> ownership or control of this list?
>>> The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the  
>>> whackos.
>>> Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even
>>> need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself.
>>> Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If
>>> you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us.
>>> And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as
>>> what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is
>>> flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list
>>> owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as
>>> they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election).
>>> I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed
>>> to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of
>>> themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti
>>> ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads.
>>> The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that.
>>> Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to
>>> your attacks anymore
>>> Sincerely
>>> DEAN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 16:12:53 2009
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:12:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <32220.59157.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <639305.90697.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

> Dean,
> Check the archives. As usual, you are flat out wrong. Art
> made the rule, not four or five members.? This is his
> forum and his rules. Several members weighed in before the
> decision was made.
> Take Care,
> Adam
> 
Art made the rule after declaring that he dont care (Check the archaives) and 4 or 5 people bombarded the list with hundreds of anti ad postings making the list unbearable.
But my real question is "What are you trying to acompolish by bombarding the other 1000 of us with multiple postings about the fact that you dont like lots of ads". We have no say in the matter wither we like it or not. Lets say that me the the other 1000 list members agree with you 100% and we want cottingham and big steve kicked off the list? What do you want us to do? Bombard Art with hundreds of complaints in the same way that these 4 or 5 people are bombarding the rest of us about the compalints about ads?
You are complaining to the wrong people in your effort to stop all of these ad postings. The other 1000 of us have no say in the matter.
This has been going on your years and years. We have had to put up with these hundreds of anti ad postings for years. Dont you think its time to give it a rest? If Art actually cared he would do something about it. These 4 or 5 people evidently care more than art does so dont try creating this holier than thou attitude in the name of art.
Ad's arent the problem. These attack postings are the real problem (5 postings per as commenting on how bad the ad postings are dont seem like a sensible use of posting time.
This has gone on for years. Its time to only email art in private if you dont like how the list is run. The other 1000 of us dont really want to be a part of this crap.
Sincerely
DEAN









      


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Thu Oct 15 16:15:05 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:15:05 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Whiners, Dealers, Lurkers, & Info Junkies
Message-ID: <4AD782C9.7020805@meteoritesusa.com>

Dear List,

All this whining and complaining on both sides is pointless. Dealers 
aren't going anywhere, whiners and complainers will always be here, and 
the rest of the list will just have to deal with it... It's a simple 
fact. No regulation means no rules and this breeds disrespect and 
stupidity on all sides and the rest of the list members must put up with 
it or leave.

Good meteorite information always filters through all the BS, and it's 
why most people are here. To learn about meteorites, to trade 
meteorites, and yes, to sell meteorites too. That's all good.

Regards,
Eric







From marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Oct 15 16:02:18 2009
From: marc.d.fries at jpl.nasa.gov (Fries, Marc D (3225))
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:02:18 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Grimsby, Ontario bolide info
In-Reply-To: <t00fd5peur3b9o45pjr0kt8mv5b4u4cslr@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <C6FCE9FA.CB98%Marc.D.Fries@jpl.nasa.gov>

Well ain?t that a hoot - I sent him the same images a couple of weeks ago.
I even used the same background image!  Peter Brown probably thinks we're a
single person with multiple personalities or something.

I'd say there's a potential return in the next data set at about 2.5 km
altitude, but it is down in the noise and open to interpretation.

Cheers,
Marc Fries


On 10/15/09 3:04 PM, "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

> To: <cynapse at charter.net>,
>     <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Grimsby, Ontario bolide info
> From: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:16:08 -0700
> 
> Hi Darren,
> 
> (Please feel free to forward to the list on my behalf.)
> 
> At the beginning of the week I contacted Dr. Peter Brown at University
> of Western
> Ontario, letting him know that the Grimsby bolide terminal burst had
> been captured
> on NexRad Doppler radar images taken in Buffalo, New York. I created
> several maps
> of the radar returns at three different altitudes, showing that the
> terminal burst
> location is in perfect agreement with UWO's solution (triangulated from
> seven
> all-sky cameras). I shared this information with Dr. Tony Phillips at
> SpaceWeather,
> and he has provided links on his site to a couple of the radar images I
> created:
> 
> http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=12&month=10&year=2009
> 
> A wide-area map is here:
> 
> http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/13oct09/Grimsby_5100m.jpg
> 
> And a second map zoomed in on the terminal burst cloud is here:
> 
> http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/13oct09/Grimsby_Zoom_5100m.jpg
> 
> As the filenames suggest, the Doppler beam altitude at this location was
> a little
> over 5 km, and the area covered is roughly a mile wide by 2 miles long.
> (There
> were also colocated radar returns at 6.5 km and 3.7 km, though the
> largest
> returns were at 5.1 km.)  Judging from where meteorites were found in
> Park
> Forest and Ash Creek (West), I would expect a number of meteorites to be
> found
> directly beneath the strongest radar returns, with sizes generally
> increasing
> as you move to the east-southeast.
> 
> I have not yet seen any images of the purported golf-ball-sized
> meteorite that
> hit the SUV, nor do I know where this SUV was parked, so can't judge
> whether
> it's a legitimate possibility.
> 
> --Rob
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren
> Garrison
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:33 AM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Time to play "Hammer or Scammer"
> 
> http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2127299
> 
>  Grimsby meteorite found
> Updated 32 mins ago
>        
> 
> The Grimsby space rock has been found.
> 
> A fragment of meteorite the size of a golf ball smashed in the
> windshield of a Grimsby family's sport utility vehicle on Sept. 25,
> according to a media release from the University of Western Ontario.
> 
> Astronomers released a video Oct. 7 of a blinding meteor streaking
> across the skies of Southern Ontario three weeks ago, estimating pieces
> may have landed in Grimsby or West Lincoln.
> 
> Meteorite hunters have been scouring the area ever since.
> 
> A press conference to discuss the find is scheduled for Friday morning.
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From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 16:27:58 2009
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:27:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W6593D32F5186BBEAB6DE23D2C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <559285.97931.qm@web56108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha=
ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less =
than your average.
=20
Gary
>
But that snot what the question for the referendum would be.
The referendum question should read:
SHOULD WE RIGIDLY STICK TO THE ONE A WEEK RULE NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, EVEN DURING SHOWS, WITH NEW IMPORTANT FALLS AND ANY OTHER POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHERE MORE THAN ONE AD A WEEK WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE LIST MEMBERS AT LARGE EVEN BY DEALERS WHO ALMOST NEVER OTHERWISE POST ADS


      


From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Thu Oct 15 16:38:55 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:38:55 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <559285.97931.qm@web56108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <COL106-W6593D32F5186BBEAB6DE23D2C50@phx.gbl>
	<559285.97931.qm@web56108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004101ca4dd7$8421b770$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Hi Dean,

Simple minds like me need simple questions:

1 Ad per Week and person?

- Yes
- No
- I don't care

....soooo difficult it isn't, is it?



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von dean
bessey
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2009 22:28
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule

Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha=
ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less =
than your average.
=20
Gary
>
But that snot what the question for the referendum would be.
The referendum question should read:
SHOULD WE RIGIDLY STICK TO THE ONE A WEEK RULE NO MATTER WHAT THE
CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, EVEN DURING SHOWS, WITH NEW IMPORTANT FALLS AND ANY OTHER
POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHERE MORE THAN ONE AD A WEEK WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE
LIST MEMBERS AT LARGE EVEN BY DEALERS WHO ALMOST NEVER OTHERWISE POST ADS


      
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From GeoZay at aol.com  Thu Oct 15 16:59:22 2009
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:59:22 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Message-ID: <d44.5650489b.3808e72a@aol.com>

>>Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all  900 members to see if they want to 
ha=
ve an ad post by each and every member  every other day which is still less 
=
than your  average.<<



I can't imagine that all 900 members will have a  meteorite that they want 
to sell each and every other day. If there were and  most produced sales,  
it would seem that business would be just booming and  everyone would be 
happy. If sales were persistently low, I'd imagine it wouldn't  take too long 
before the sellers get tired and pack up. Also if all 900 members  posted 
every other day, I'd think some interesting material will come out of the  wood 
work from time to time. Let them post...I know its annoying, but as long as  
the AD is in the subject line, I'm sure I'll have no trouble in finding the 
 delete button.

GeoZay  



From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 16:36:02 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:36:02 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Atacama Desert Meteorites
Message-ID: <e51421550910151336g6c6b00e8h574393460c10b714@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

Does anyone know of a good link with information about meteorites
found in the Atacama Desert of Chile?  Something with photos, like an
expedition article, would be perfect.   A Facebook friend of mine is
visiting the Atacama and I want to put a bug in his ear about
meteorites so he can keep an eye out for them.

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG


-- 
.........................................................
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 15 16:59:51 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:59:51 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
References: <ad733150910150536l726a6cc3taa9c630ad24c6afe@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B9BDFE30BF8460FA255463EB8BD8C76@EIGENAARNJEQJY>
Message-ID: <9E702917A03A404FA690FF93D04B5C95@D190TH71>

Awesome photos! Thanks Rob and Michael.
I just forwarded this to a Dutch gentleman whom I just shipped a scope to.
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Lenssen" <rlenssen at planet.nl>
To: "Meteorite List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen


> Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Groetz" <mpg4444 at gmail.com>
> To: "Meteorite List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
>
>
>> http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_north.php
>>
>> Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
>> Wednesday 14 October 2009
>>
>> Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular fireball or meteorite
>> over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening skies.
>>
>> The police emergency number, Dutch coastguard and KNMI weather bureau
>> report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite, which was seen in
>> Germany and Belgium.
>>
>> 'I was standing in front of my window when there was a bright flash of
>> light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into three smaller
>> ones,' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in Groningen province
>> told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later, perhaps half a
>> minute, there was a low rumble and the windows shook.'
>>
>> Excellent Photographs:
>>
>> http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html#
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 15 16:55:32 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:55:32 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list]  (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Message-ID: <C94755AC2AB041F78F1DD9FD15B97E49@D190TH71>

1 Ad per Week and person?

 O  - Yes
 O  - No
 X  - I don't care!

 And no, this will NOT lead to 1000 ads per day. Good grief.

 Linton

 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
 To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
 Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule

>
> Hi Dean,
>
> Simple minds like me need simple questions:
>
> 1 Ad per Week and person?
>
> O  - Yes
> O  - No
> X - I don't care!
>
> ....soooo difficult it isn't, is it?
>
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von dean
> bessey
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2009 22:28
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
>
> Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to 
> ha=
> ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less 
> =
> than your average.
> =20
> Gary
>>
> But that snot what the question for the referendum would be.
> The referendum question should read:
> SHOULD WE RIGIDLY STICK TO THE ONE A WEEK RULE NO MATTER WHAT THE
> CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, EVEN DURING SHOWS, WITH NEW IMPORTANT FALLS AND ANY 
> OTHER
> POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHERE MORE THAN ONE AD A WEEK WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO 
> THE
> LIST MEMBERS AT LARGE EVEN BY DEALERS WHO ALMOST NEVER OTHERWISE POST ADS
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Thu Oct 15 17:10:50 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:10:50 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Atacama Desert Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <e51421550910151336g6c6b00e8h574393460c10b714@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e51421550910151336g6c6b00e8h574393460c10b714@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0953CA386924930859897DEED488585@Bandli1>

http://www.meteorites.cl/

Rodrigo use to have an English version, but I can't seem to find it. I think
there are some good Atacama adventures on one of Notkin's sites as well.

-----------------------------------
Mike Bandli
Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA #5765
-----------------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic
Stone & Ironworks
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:36 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Atacama Desert Meteorites

Hi List,

Does anyone know of a good link with information about meteorites
found in the Atacama Desert of Chile?  Something with photos, like an
expedition article, would be perfect.   A Facebook friend of mine is
visiting the Atacama and I want to put a bug in his ear about
meteorites so he can keep an eye out for them.

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG


-- 
.........................................................
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Member of the Meteoritical Society.
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FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Thu Oct 15 18:04:24 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:04:24 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
In-Reply-To: <9E702917A03A404FA690FF93D04B5C95@D190TH71>
References: <ad733150910150536l726a6cc3taa9c630ad24c6afe@mail.gmail.com>	<4B9BDFE30BF8460FA255463EB8BD8C76@EIGENAARNJEQJY>
	<9E702917A03A404FA690FF93D04B5C95@D190TH71>
Message-ID: <4AD79C68.2000400@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi all,

Those are AWESOME images!!!

Reminds me of Peekskill a bit but sharper and more colorful.

Regards,
Eric



Linton Rohr wrote:
> Awesome photos! Thanks Rob and Michael.
> I just forwarded this to a Dutch gentleman whom I just shipped a scope 
> to.
> Linton
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lenssen" <rlenssen at planet.nl>
> To: "Meteorite List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
>
>
>> Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Groetz" <mpg4444 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Meteorite List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
>>
>>
>>> http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_north.php 
>>>
>>>
>>> Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
>>> Wednesday 14 October 2009
>>>
>>> Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular fireball or meteorite
>>> over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening skies.
>>>
>>> The police emergency number, Dutch coastguard and KNMI weather bureau
>>> report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite, which was seen in
>>> Germany and Belgium.
>>>
>>> 'I was standing in front of my window when there was a bright flash of
>>> light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into three smaller
>>> ones,' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in Groningen province
>>> told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later, perhaps half a
>>> minute, there was a low rumble and the windows shook.'
>>>
>>> Excellent Photographs:
>>>
>>> http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html#
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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From Impactika at aol.com  Thu Oct 15 18:25:10 2009
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:25:10 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Message-ID: <c7a.617cb0dc.3808fb46@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
Hi Dean,

Simple minds like me need simple questions:

1 Ad per Week and person?

XXXX- Yes
- No
- I don't care

....soooo difficult it isn't, is it?
------------------------------------------------
 
YES!
ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone.
 
This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites, 
learning, and helping new people learn.
 
Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there 
is a mailing list specifically for that, as a reminder here it the address:
      .   
                _MeteoriteCollectors at yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:MeteoriteCollectors at yahoogroups.com) 
 
Please use it.

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
http://www.imca.cc/


From majbaermann at web.de  Thu Oct 15 18:30:30 2009
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:30:30 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
References: <c7a.617cb0dc.3808fb46@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D3AC4EACEABE44F3AB5EB236C4D4CA16@thinkcentre>

1 Ad per Week and person?

-> Y E S

Best regards,

Matthias Baermann


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Impactika at aol.com>
To: <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>; <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule


> In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
> Hi Dean,
>
> Simple minds like me need simple questions:
>
> 1 Ad per Week and person?
>
> XXXX- Yes
> - No
> - I don't care
>
> ....soooo difficult it isn't, is it?
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> YES!
> ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone.
>
> This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites,
> learning, and helping new people learn.
>
> Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there
> is a mailing list specifically for that, as a reminder here it the 
> address:
>      .
>                _MeteoriteCollectors at yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:MeteoriteCollectors at yahoogroups.com)
>
> Please use it.
>
> Anne M. Black
> http://www.impactika.com/
> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> http://www.imca.cc/
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From bencubbin at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 15 19:09:12 2009
From: bencubbin at hotmail.com (Howard Steffic)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:09:12 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <c7a.617cb0dc.3808fb46@aol.com>
References: <c7a.617cb0dc.3808fb46@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL121-W26154AADD167756135440B7C50@phx.gbl>


One ad per person per week is my vote,
 
Also, if this fails I am willing to sign on to Gary's idea of posting an ad everytime the spammer violates the unwritten rule.  Will 900 people do this?  No, but maybe enough will to break the back of this spammer.

Howard Steffic 


> From: Impactika at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:25:10 -0400
> To: altmann at meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
> 
> In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
> altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
> Hi Dean,
> 
> Simple minds like me need simple questions:
> 
> 1 Ad per Week and person?
> 
> XXXX- Yes
> - No
> - I don't care
> 
> ....soooo difficult it isn't, is it?
> ------------------------------------------------
> 
> YES!
> ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone.
> 
> This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites, 
> learning, and helping new people learn.
> 
> Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there 
> is a mailing list specifically for that, as a reminder here it the address:
> . 
> _MeteoriteCollectors at yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:MeteoriteCollectors at yahoogroups.com) 
> 
> Please use it.
> 
> Anne M. Black
> http://www.impactika.com/
> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> http://www.imca.cc/
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From fcressy at prodigy.net  Thu Oct 15 19:41:48 2009
From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:41:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] One-Complaint Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <c7a.617cb0dc.3808fb46@aol.com>
References: <c7a.617cb0dc.3808fb46@aol.com>
Message-ID: <80223.92283.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'd vote for the one complaint per week rule...maybe even a one complaint per month rule!

Frank


From dave at fallingrocks.com  Thu Oct 15 19:35:32 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:35:32 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Simple answer to AD "controversy"
Message-ID: <2F20C0F893C04298B8B9E0D5AE2899C0@meteorroom>

Hello All,
That a vote ensues at the moment on this matter is bizarre...at best.  That
"gentlemen's agreements," the notion that no written policy exists, etc,
persist is, well, beyond bizarre.  See below the very specific policies of
the list that are sent by Art Jones to new list members.  Note in particular
"7. Limit AD posts to once-per-week (i.e. refrain from spamming the list
with ads)"  Is this really so difficult?
All the best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

<<Welcome to the Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com mailing list!
WELCOME TO THE METEORITE MAILING LIST!
======================================

General List Policies --------------------- 1. All posts need to relate to
meteorites in some way 2. Please be courteous and professional at all times
3. Do not post -private messages- or -personal attacks- to the list (direct
all personal replies to the specific recipient) 4. Please include a relevant
-subject- in the subject of the email 5. Do NOT send -HTML- or -Rich Text-
formatted emails ... only TEXT will be posted 6. Do NOT send emails with
-file
attachments- to the list (include a web link to the file) 7. Limit AD posts
to once-per-week (i.e. refrain from spamming the list with ads) 8. All AD
posts should contain the words -SALE- or -AD- in the subject of the email


Your support of these policies will lead to an interesting and positive
forum environment, thank you!

Art Jones - blurtheline at gmail.com Meteorite Mailing List Admin>>

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 



From garychase at live.com  Thu Oct 15 19:54:13 2009
From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:54:13 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Simple answer to AD "controversy"
In-Reply-To: <2F20C0F893C04298B8B9E0D5AE2899C0@meteorroom>
References: <2F20C0F893C04298B8B9E0D5AE2899C0@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <COL106-W31B9DF52FBB014E938A239D2C50@phx.gbl>


But Dean said that Adam was making all this up.  Why are you trying to confuse the issue with facts and actual written rules? LOL!
 
Gary
 
 
> From: dave at fallingrocks.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:35:32 -0400
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Simple answer to AD "controversy"
> 
> Hello All,
> That a vote ensues at the moment on this matter is bizarre...at best. That
> "gentlemen's agreements," the notion that no written policy exists, etc,
> persist is, well, beyond bizarre. See below the very specific policies of
> the list that are sent by Art Jones to new list members. Note in particular
> "7. Limit AD posts to once-per-week (i.e. refrain from spamming the list
> with ads)" Is this really so difficult?
> All the best,
> Dave
> www.fallingrocks.com
> 
> <<Welcome to the Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com mailing list!
> WELCOME TO THE METEORITE MAILING LIST!
> ======================================
> 
> General List Policies --------------------- 1. All posts need to relate to
> meteorites in some way 2. Please be courteous and professional at all times
> 3. Do not post -private messages- or -personal attacks- to the list (direct
> all personal replies to the specific recipient) 4. Please include a relevant
> -subject- in the subject of the email 5. Do NOT send -HTML- or -Rich Text-
> formatted emails ... only TEXT will be posted 6. Do NOT send emails with
> -file
> attachments- to the list (include a web link to the file) 7. Limit AD posts
> to once-per-week (i.e. refrain from spamming the list with ads) 8. All AD
> posts should contain the words -SALE- or -AD- in the subject of the email
> 
> 
> Your support of these policies will lead to an interesting and positive
> forum environment, thank you!
> 
> Art Jones - blurtheline at gmail.com Meteorite Mailing List Admin>>
> 
> Dave Gheesling
> IMCA #5967
> www.fallingrocks.com 
> 
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From whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 20:18:31 2009
From: whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com (Dave Myers)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:18:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] [meteorite-list
In-Reply-To: <D0953CA386924930859897DEED488585@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <713050.96512.qm@web110111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Hi all,

Sorry for starting a( big fire)-Let alone an atomic bomb, on hear!

Just trying to get great info. on meteorites!

 Thanks, ever so much to Carl, James Baxten and to Anna Black, Who all sent me, web-site info: on resource material, or web-sites to research about meteorites,

I just started collecting back in May, and most of what I buy is for 2 schools in Ohio to inspire Kids about space and science, When I get enough material, and put together a manual for them. All the stones will be loaned to the schools, For as long as the teachers use them in the class to teach! Hopefuly testing what can be done in a high school on meteorites!!!!!!!!

Dave Myers ......Cincinnati



      



From damoclid at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 20:31:32 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:31:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <COL121-W26154AADD167756135440B7C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <526043.7557.qm@web33904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Howard Steffic <bencubbin at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Howard Steffic <bencubbin at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 4:09 PM
> 
> ... Will 900 people do this?? No, but
> maybe enough will to break the back of this spammer.
> 
> Howard Steffic 

Sorry Howard,

this will never be the result. The spammer will ignore everyone elses spams and continue to send out their own...

Since the beginning of spam 31.5 years ago, the only solution has been to set up your 1) filters, 2) use your delete, 3) let the list administrator handle it.

If the list administrator does nothing, there is nothing you can do except to continue to do 1 & 2, or leave the list entirely.

Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the unfortunate truth...

Actually, now that I think of it, there are other things you can do. Contact the ISP of the spammer and complain the account is being used to send spam. They'll shut down the account, especially if they get multiple complaints.

Some states also have laws against spammers too.

For me, I've been dealing with spam for almost two decades. I just do 1, 2 & finally 3 if the problem becomes too great.


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


      


From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Thu Oct 15 21:02:18 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 2:02:18 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space debris hits roof in UK
In-Reply-To: <c7a.617cb0dc.3808fb46@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20091016020218.713H0.766266.root@web01-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi All,

Just seen this...

Does look ablated...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220621/Red-hot-piece-space-junk-crashes-pensioners-roof.html

I wonder what sort of fireball that made without being reported? !!!

Graham Ensor UK
---- Impactika at aol.com wrote: 
> In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
> altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
> Hi Dean,
> 
> Simple minds like me need simple questions:
> 
> 1 Ad per Week and person?
> 
> XXXX- Yes
> - No
> - I don't care
> 
> ....soooo difficult it isn't, is it?
> ------------------------------------------------
>  
> YES!
> ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone.
>  
> This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites, 
> learning, and helping new people learn.
>  
> Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there 
> is a mailing list specifically for that, as a reminder here it the address:
>       .   
>                 _MeteoriteCollectors at yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:MeteoriteCollectors at yahoogroups.com) 
>  
> Please use it.
> 
> Anne M. Black
> http://www.impactika.com/
> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> http://www.imca.cc/
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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From schraderj at rocketmail.com  Thu Oct 15 21:06:22 2009
From: schraderj at rocketmail.com (Jack Schrader)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:06:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Ad Ban Cho Lae part slice
Message-ID: <667146.84669.qm@web111009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Good evening list members, 

???? I have just listed the fourth of the five lots of the fourth meteorite from Thailand, Ban Cho Lae.? I am listing the remaining four lots at the rate of approximately one per week until all gone.? This auction is for the fourth largest specimen, a .2774 gram beautiful part slice with great fusion crust along one edge and measuring approximately 12mm x 7mm giving good surface area.? This meteorite, with the exception of the first lot sold, does not exist in any private or institutional collections and is a true rarity.? I hold the main mass of 3.35 kg.? The specimens being sold were removed at the time of preparing a 20 gram sample for classification more than two years ago.? The details of this meteorite can be found in the Meteoritical Bulletin by searching "Ban Cho Lae".? Below is the eBay link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160370191551

Thanks for looking and have a great evening! Jack


      


From dave at fallingrocks.com  Thu Oct 15 21:13:11 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:13:11 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Simple answer to AD "controversy"
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W31B9DF52FBB014E938A239D2C50@phx.gbl>
References: <2F20C0F893C04298B8B9E0D5AE2899C0@meteorroom>
	<COL106-W31B9DF52FBB014E938A239D2C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AE1C7BDB24554CEA9749747402ACE584@meteorroom>

Gary & All,
Yes indeed.  But it should be noted that I'm not interested in taking sides
in the fight-to-the-death AD war nonsense...about to post one after this, in
fact (no, this will not be my second this week, as I was posting for Robert
earlier in the week).  And I personally have no problem finding the delete
key.  It's just that the wrong issues are being debated.  It's Art Jones'
list.  He has, in fact, published clear policies.  Out of simple respect for
what he has provided to the international meteorite community, these
policies should be respected unless and until he modifies his position.
Period.  It just doesn't get simpler than that...
All the best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Gary Chase
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:54 PM
To: meteoritecentral
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Simple answer to AD "controversy"


But Dean said that Adam was making all this up.  Why are you trying to
confuse the issue with facts and actual written rules? LOL!
 
Gary
 
 
> From: dave at fallingrocks.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:35:32 -0400
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Simple answer to AD "controversy"
> 
> Hello All,
> That a vote ensues at the moment on this matter is bizarre...at best. 
> That "gentlemen's agreements," the notion that no written policy 
> exists, etc, persist is, well, beyond bizarre. See below the very 
> specific policies of the list that are sent by Art Jones to new list 
> members. Note in particular "7. Limit AD posts to once-per-week (i.e. 
> refrain from spamming the list with ads)" Is this really so difficult?
> All the best,
> Dave
> www.fallingrocks.com
> 
> <<Welcome to the Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com mailing list!
> WELCOME TO THE METEORITE MAILING LIST!
> ======================================
> 
> General List Policies --------------------- 1. All posts need to 
> relate to meteorites in some way 2. Please be courteous and 
> professional at all times 3. Do not post -private messages- or 
> -personal attacks- to the list (direct all personal replies to the 
> specific recipient) 4. Please include a relevant
> -subject- in the subject of the email 5. Do NOT send -HTML- or -Rich 
> Text- formatted emails ... only TEXT will be posted 6. Do NOT send 
> emails with -file
> attachments- to the list (include a web link to the file) 7. Limit AD 
> posts to once-per-week (i.e. refrain from spamming the list with ads) 
> 8. All AD posts should contain the words -SALE- or -AD- in the subject 
> of the email
> 
> 
> Your support of these policies will lead to an interesting and 
> positive forum environment, thank you!
> 
> Art Jones - blurtheline at gmail.com Meteorite Mailing List Admin>>
> 
> Dave Gheesling
> IMCA #5967
> www.fallingrocks.com
> 
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From minador at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 21:16:09 2009
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:16:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <318211.97776.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <682467.53444.qm@web54409.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I strike my comments (good points Adam, Gary and Martin).  Rules usually have a good reason.

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
> To: "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 7:12 AM
> Dear List,
> 
> The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken
> by Art about advertising in his forum.? Advertising is
> a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no
> ads at all due to abuse.? The consensus, at the time,
> was that way too many ads were being posted and that
> one-ad-per-week should be? a
> rule.???List members input was taken into
> account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority
> of other members as well. 
> 
> I know of several people who will not subscribe due to the
> number of ads, some of which instead read the archives on a
> daily basis. Even then, scrolling through hundreds of ads
> would drown out more useful information in the archives
> which are permanent and cannot be deleted. An ads usefulness
> disappears immediately, yet it is stuck for eternity in the
> archives.? The delete key will not help here.? A
> lot of forums will not allow any advertisements so we should
> feel lucky.
> 
> Art would not have made the rule if he felt it was not
> important. Out of respect for him and other members, I feel
> the rule should be honored or we might all lose our
> advertising privileges due to a few members who cannot and
> will not control themselves.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Adam
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 21:26:45 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:26:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Clovis consensus and AD
Message-ID: <862777.79011.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Paul, all - 

While NASA still has its head up its arse, CNRS does not:

2009 FALL AGU San Francisco, CA
Field-Analytical approach of land-sea records for elucidating the Younger Dryas Boundary syndrome
SECTION/FOCUS GROUP: Paleoceanography and Paleoclimatology (PP)
SESSION: Younger Dryas Boundary: Extraterrestrial Impact or Not? (PP15)
AUTHORS (FIRST NAME, LAST NAME): Thierry Ge1, MARIE-AGNES MICHELE COURTY2, Francois Guichard3
INSTITUTIONS (ALL):
1. Geoarcheology, INRAP, Pessac, France.
2. Prehistory -IPHES-ICREA, CNRS-MNHN, Tarragona, Spain.
3. Paleoocenography, CNRS-CEA UVSQ, Gif-sur-Yvette, France.

Linking lonsdaleite crystals, carbon spherules and diamond polymorphs from the North American dark layers at 12.9 cal yr B.P. to a cosmic event has questioned the nature and timing of the related impact processes. A global signal should trace the invoked airshocks and/or surface impacts from a swarm of comets or carbonaceous chondrites.

Here we report on the contextual analytical study of debris fall events from three reference sequences of the Younger Dyras period (11-13 ka cal BP):

(1) sand dune fields along the French Atlantic coast at the Audenge site;
(2) A 10 m record of detrital/bioorganic accumulation in the southern basin of the Caspian Sea with regular sedimentation rate (0.1 to 3 mm per year) from 14 to 2-ka BP cal;
(3) the Paijan sequence (Peruvian coastal desert) offering fossiliferous fluvial layers with the last large mammals and aquatic fauna at 13 ka BP sealed by abiotic sand dunes.

The three sequences display one remarkable layer of exogenous air-transported microdebris that is part of a complex time series of recurrent fine dust/wildfire events. The sharp debris-rich microfacies and its association to ashes derived from calcination of the local vegetation suggest instantaneous deposition synchronous to a high intensity wildfire. The debris assemblage comprises microtektite-like glassy spherules, partly devitrified glass shards, unmelted to partly melted sedimentary and igneous clasts, terrestrial native metals, and carbonaceous components. The later occur as grape-clustered polymers, vitrified graphitic carbon, amorphous carbon spherules with a honeycomb pattern, and green carbon fibres with recrystallized quartz and metal blebs. Evidence for high temperature formation from a heterogeneous melt with solid debris and volatile components derived from carbonaceous precursors supports an impact origin from an ejecta plume. The
 association of debris deposition to total firing would trace a high energy airburst with surface effects of the fireball. In contrast, microfacies and debris composition of the recurrent fine dust/wildfire events would trace a series of a low energy airburst. Their record is expressed in the Audenge sequence by a series of water-laid laminae of charred pine residues formed of carbonaceous spherules wrapped by carbonaceous polymers that includes lonsdaleite crystals as detected by high resolution in situ micro-Raman analysis. This association suggests recurrent flash forest wildfires ignited by hot spray of carbon-rich debris, followed by heavy snow falls. The record from the Peruvian desert suggests a possible linkage between the repeated debris fall/wildfires during the Younger Dryas and the following irreversible aridity along the Peruvian cost. In contrast the Caspian record of the Younger Dryas period indicates more gradual changes, possibly
 buffered by the hydrological functioning of the Caspian sea in a complex region. The Audenge context offers the amplified signal needed to understand at local to global scales the spatio-temporal pattern of impact-airburst events.

KEYWORDS: [4901] PALEOCEANOGRAPHY / Abrupt/rapid climate change, [1029] GEOCHEMISTRY / Composition
of aerosols and dust particles, [4924] PALEOCEANOGRAPHY / Geochemical tracers, [5420] PLANETARY
SCIENCES: SOLID SURFACE PLANETS / Impact phenomena, cratering.
Previously Presented Material: Original results, never presented, never published

There was no reason for the peoples living here to make up their stories of comet impact:
http://forum.palanth.com/index.php/topic,1093.0.html 

Based on an eyeball estiamte of quarry usage, as well as the mammoth, this one killed about 95% of the people living in North America.

I hope Administrator Bolden will be taking care of this situation shortly.

Copies of my book Man and Impact in the Americas are available to list members for $20 plus shipping. Contact me off list.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas




      


From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 15 21:33:47 2009
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:33:47 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <COL121-W26154AADD167756135440B7C50@phx.gbl>
References: <c7a.617cb0dc.3808fb46@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT102-W5030EB8B817D3DAE7DF69CA2C40@phx.gbl>


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One ad per week=2C per person. Yes.
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t daily or even hourly ads=2C they need only take their concerns directly t=
o Art and wait for him to change the rule.=20
=20
Until he makes that change=2C any ad posts to the contrary are an insult to=
 him and to the majority that follow the rules.
=20
Bill
=20
=20
=20

> From: bencubbin at hotmail.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 17:09:12 -0600
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
>=20
>=20
> One ad per person per week is my vote=2C
>=20
> Also=2C if this fails I am willing to sign on to Gary's idea of posting a=
n ad everytime the spammer violates the unwritten rule. Will 900 people do =
this? No=2C but maybe enough will to break the back of this spammer.
>=20
> Howard Steffic=20
>=20
>=20
>> From: Impactika at aol.com
>> Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 18:25:10 -0400
>> To: altmann at meteorite-martin.de=3B Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
>>=20
>> In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time=2C=20
>> altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
>> Hi Dean=2C
>>=20
>> Simple minds like me need simple questions:
>>=20
>> 1 Ad per Week and person?
>>=20
>> XXXX- Yes
>> - No
>> - I don't care
>>=20
>> ....soooo difficult it isn't=2C is it?
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>=20
>> YES!
>> ONE ad a week at most=2C any week=2C anyone.
>>=20
>> This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorite=
s=2C=20
>> learning=2C and helping new people learn.
>>=20
>> Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads=2C t=
here=20
>> is a mailing list specifically for that=2C as a reminder here it the add=
ress:
>> .=20
>> _MeteoriteCollectors at yahoogroups.com_=20
>> (mailto:MeteoriteCollectors at yahoogroups.com)=20
>>=20
>> Please use it.
>>=20
>> Anne M. Black
>> http://www.impactika.com/
>> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
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>> http://www.imca.cc/
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From carothersdl at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 21:29:12 2009
From: carothersdl at gmail.com (dave carothers)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:29:12 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] TEST     Sorry... Please Delete
Message-ID: <4EF66C1D7FA5420FBBF9B448A01DF2FB@your291etg47cr>




From dave at fallingrocks.com  Thu Oct 15 21:38:09 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:38:09 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: High quality specimens
Message-ID: <11D5563DF5C64D789ED2A9E519FE385A@meteorroom>

Hello again List,

I have a couple of nice pieces on a short eBay run this week in my
twice-annual listing ;-)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180419140081

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180419138780

Thanks for looking, and all best regards,

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 



From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 21:14:34 2009
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:14:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule - with link to
	Art's original message
Message-ID: <93aaac890910151814w520d2401ua3a08a936f9406fb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
I'm not saying it's necessarily a good or bad thing, but - first-off,
it seems like we should clear up some misconceptions.  I just went
through the list archives and turned this up:

http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2006-November/028708.html

There you have a copy of the original message that Art sent back in
2005.  He actually does state fairly clearly that ads "should" be
limited to one per week.  The problem there is the wording - "should"
doesn't imply that they will actually be limited to
one-per-seven-days, and it doesn't mean that someone will get kicked
off of the list of they overdo it.

I would go so far as to say, however, that one who does not limit ads
to one per week *is* going against list policy.
That much seems clear.

I will not judge as to whether or not what has been happening is good
or bad; personally, I find the ads annoying, but I also recognize the
fact that whether or not I find them annoying is entirely irrelevant.

Do I believe that there are currently certain list members who are
using the list exclusively for their own financial gain?

Yes.

Is this a bad thing?

- Only if they exploit it in such a way that in doing so they hurt the
educational aspect of the list.

Now, as to whether or not this has been happening is open to debate,
but what seems clear is that some people are annoyed, and, I think I
would go so far as to say that rules have been broken.

Now, I'm not a stickler for rules, so saying that someone is "breaking
the rules" isn't *necessarily* a bad thing.

However, I would point out the fact that common courtesy would dictate
that such rules should be adhered to - insofar as that particular rule
was added by Art because of problems - problems exactly like this - in
the past.  Whether or not you like Cottingham's meteorites or prices
has little to do with whether or not he is being considerate in is
rampant postings.  And I agree with what another list-member said
about learning a great deal from the variety of specimens in his
store.  In fact, I bought something from him yesterday, and am elated
about the deal.  But one must realize that if he posted ads
once-weekly, those pictures and specimens would still be there, and
one could still see the specimens at his or her leisure.

To get to the point - while I do not believe it my place to criticize
someone for posting "too much," he is technically breaking list
policy.  As are others.

Would it be an issue if people weren't complaining?

No.

But there are rule-abiding (and rule-breaking) list-members who have a
problem with what he's doing, and it is against the rules, so it's an
issue, and one that must be dealt with.

Someone [Bill, others] should talk to Art about the matter if they
have a problem with it.  All of this anti-Cottingham posting is just
giving him more publicity, which is exactly what he wants, if I'm not
mistaken.

I believe this is a situation in which Art should feel obliged to act;
list policy has been stated - and is now being broken, and certain
people are angry about it.  This seems like a pretty clear-cut
situation.
And if he doesn't act, there's really nothing to be done.  I suppose
you could boycott certain sellers, kick them out of the IMCA, that
sort of thing, but those are issues for people to deal with
personally, or within the IMCA, as they see fit.  As a non-member, I
can't speak for how they would act, and doubt that he is breaking any
of their policies, but feel unqualified to comment.

Regards,
Jason

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Howard Steffic <bencubbin at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> One ad per person per week is my vote,
>
> Also, if this fails I am willing to sign on to Gary's idea of posting an ad everytime the spammer violates the unwritten rule. ?Will 900 people do this? ?No, but maybe enough will to break the back of this spammer.
>
> Howard Steffic
>
>
>> From: Impactika at aol.com
>> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:25:10 -0400
>> To: altmann at meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
>>
>> In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
>> altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
>> Hi Dean,
>>
>> Simple minds like me need simple questions:
>>
>> 1 Ad per Week and person?
>>
>> XXXX- Yes
>> - No
>> - I don't care
>>
>> ....soooo difficult it isn't, is it?
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>> YES!
>> ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone.
>>
>> This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites,
>> learning, and helping new people learn.
>>
>> Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there
>> is a mailing list specifically for that, as a reminder here it the address:
>> .
>> _MeteoriteCollectors at yahoogroups.com_
>> (mailto:MeteoriteCollectors at yahoogroups.com)
>>
>> Please use it.
>>
>> Anne M. Black
>> http://www.impactika.com/
>> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
>> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>> http://www.imca.cc/
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From carothersdl at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 21:26:41 2009
From: carothersdl at gmail.com (dave carothers)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:26:41 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] One-Complaint Per Week Rule
Message-ID: <4E9F9363AFCB48F3832577E99F31DA9B@your291etg47cr>

1)  The list was owned, set up, and run by Art.

2)  Art establish a "one ad per week" rule.

3)  A vote?  It's pointless (see 1 and 2 above)

Geez... what's so hard about showing a little respect for Art and living
within the rules he established?  Personally, I respect those sellers that
abide by the rules and I'm inclined to buy from them as opposed to those who
do not.  If you can't follow a simple rule in a list, I would alsways worry
about the conditions of any sale.  My opinion.

Dave



From mlblood at cox.net  Thu Oct 15 22:13:16 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:13:16 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <559285.97931.qm@web56108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C6FD24CC.837C%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Dean and All,
        This is not a democracy,
        It is a newsletter set up, managed by and paid for
By Art. Art and only Art has "a say" in the rules -
WHICH ARE QUITE CLEAR:
        Michael Cottingham (and more than a few others)
Choose to ignore the rule about one ad per week per person.
        Matteo sets himself apart from all others, having broken
So many rules in such a serious manor (obscenities and the like)
that Art took him off the list.
    Matteo, however, simply made up an endless chain of
New email addresses to make it impossible for Art to assert
Consequences for his blatant rule braking. Art just said, "screw
It" in his instance, as it would have required so much work by
Art and a change in the way people could join the list freely that
It actually threatened the nature of the list, itself to attempt to
Deal with Matteo.
        So, some of you may or may not care a good deal, very little
Or not at all about how often one advertizes on the list. However,
That does not mean you - or anyone else, has "a say" in the rules
Or how they are enforced.
        To some degree, the list has to be self monitoring or it will be
More than Art will want to deal with. For that reason, I do not
Respond to or acknowledge anything Matteo posts on the list. Off
List, I am fine with Matteo and interact with him like any other
Member of the meteorite community.
        My point is, when one of us blatantly abuses the list by
Braking any of the VERY REASONABLE rules, it threatens the
List, itself - therefore, I choose to TRY to ignore posts engaged
In list braking - so do most list members (except when it concerns
Chicago Steve - for some reason, there are two or three dozen members
Who feel free to point out his transgressions instantly and with great
Force and fierce contempt. Having the skin of a rhino, this appears
To phase Chicago Steve very little).
        In any event - those of you who brake the list rules should be
Prepared for a s**t storm, should the villagers arise with pitch forks
And torches. Those of you who do NOT address (or dress down) people
Braking list rules would perhaps be better served utilizing the ol'
"DELETE" key on posts of said threads.
        Best wishes, Michael


On 10/15/09 1:27 PM, "dean bessey" <deanbessey at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha=
> ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less =
> than your average.
> =20
> Gary
>> 
> But that snot what the question for the referendum would be.
> The referendum question should read:
> SHOULD WE RIGIDLY STICK TO THE ONE A WEEK RULE NO MATTER WHAT THE
> CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, EVEN DURING SHOWS, WITH NEW IMPORTANT FALLS AND ANY OTHER
> POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHERE MORE THAN ONE AD A WEEK WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE
> LIST MEMBERS AT LARGE EVEN BY DEALERS WHO ALMOST NEVER OTHERWISE POST ADS
> 
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From mlblood at cox.net  Thu Oct 15 22:22:21 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:22:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] M Cottingham statement
In-Reply-To: <52121777-B1F3-4627-8351-10A81232F1A2@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <C6FD26ED.837F%mlblood@cox.net>

Michael,
        How about respecting:
1) The rules the maker and maintainer of this list set up instead
Of SAYING you would abide by a rule voted upon?
2) What the hell is a "real" vote? There is, was and always will be
Only ONE "real" vote - and that is Art's. Just because he hasn't
Chosen to take you off the list indefinately does not mean he won't
AT ANY TIME do so. Additionally, he tends to be VERY SLOW in
Reinstating people he removes. Though I am not aware of anyone
(except a particularly abrasive and obscene list member from Texas
Several years back) that he has not reinstated after a year or so.
        Wonder how it would effect your business if you were suddenly
Off the list for 6 months to a year? Is it worth continually posting
Ads 4,5 or more times a week? Are you TRYING to find out at what
Point he will take you off the list? If so, the problem with that is it
Will then be too late to do anything but wait for a goodly number of
Months to be reinstated.....
        And that's the way it is, Michael


On 10/15/09 1:10 PM, "Michael Cottingham" <mikewren at gilanet.com> wrote:

> Dude you are one of the people who are clueless and YES a vote BY
> Everyone ON The Issue Once And For ALL would be great. I would even
> abide by a REAL vote.
> 
> Michael Cottingham




From casper at cooloola.net  Thu Oct 15 22:22:49 2009
From: casper at cooloola.net (christopher sharp)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:22:49 +1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Groningen Bolide
Message-ID: <000101ca4e07$910f0a20$b32d1e60$@net>

Higher resolution image:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html



Robert Mikaelyan got in a great couple of shots! He wouldn't have had a lot
of time.






From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 22:36:24 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:36:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] You learn something new everyday
Message-ID: <557142.61617.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Paul - 

I was amazed to learn of the iron impactor which killed the dinosaurs.
I was also amazed to learn how very large comet fragments further fragment when they hit the Earth's atmosphere at hypervelocities. Well, then, they don't all just turn into magic comet dust then, the earlier load from NASA.

You learn something new everyday. Today I learned that it pays to tow the line that comet impacts are no more than 5% of the impact hazard.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas 




      


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Thu Oct 15 22:51:13 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:51:13 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] I will be retiring from the meteorite list - so
	please join my sales group which I started in 2000
Message-ID: <3A6D1F44-86A2-42DD-9455-F4A2413BD723@gilanet.com>


Hello,

In 2000 I started a sales list and I have decided to use it again. I  
have decided for many reasons to leave the meteorite list and I offer  
those of you who want to continue receiving sales info please join by  
clicking the link and sending a blank email. You will be signed up  
automatically.  My entire collection is on the verge of being sold,  
but if not, I will begin the slicing and selling of all of my  
meteorite material starting in January, I will be selling over 20,000  
meteorite specimens and will be trying to do that from January to June  
of 2010. Yes, with the slicing of my entire collection I do indeed  
have over 20,000 specimens that will come onto the market. Hopefully,  
the collection will sell in its whole state. It sure would save a lot  
of trouble!

Anyways, if you would like to stay incontact and enjoy many great  
discounted sales to come, please join my newsletter below.

Just click and send blank email

meteoritecollector-subscribe at yahoogroups.com


Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham







From mexicodoug at aim.com  Thu Oct 15 23:36:54 2009
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:36:54 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
In-Reply-To: <4B9BDFE30BF8460FA255463EB8BD8C76@EIGENAARNJEQJY>
References: <ad733150910150536l726a6cc3taa9c630ad24c6afe@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B9BDFE30BF8460FA255463EB8BD8C76@EIGENAARNJEQJY>
Message-ID: <8CC1C290A04BAE5-5E7C-10002@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com>

Hallo Rob and everyone else cntributing to this topic...just wanted to 
thank you for sharing the fireball link with the list. The sequence was 
almost too spectacular to believe. Absolute shock and awe! Best wishes, 
Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Lenssen <rlenssen at planet.nl>
To: Meteorite List <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:50 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen


Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Groetz" <mpg4444 at gmail.com>?
To: "Meteorite List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36 PM?
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen?
?
> 
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_north.php?
>?
> Meteorite explodes over north Groningen?
> Wednesday 14 October 2009?
>?
> Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular fireball or meteorite?
> over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening skies.?
>?
> The police emergency number, Dutch coastguard and KNMI weather bureau?
> report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite, which was seen in?
> Germany and Belgium.?
>?
> 'I was standing in front of my window when there was a bright flash 
of?
> light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into three smaller?
> ones,' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in Groningen province?
> told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later, perhaps half a?
> minute, there was a low rumble and the windows shook.'?
>?
> Excellent Photographs:?
>?
> http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html#?
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From grf2 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 15 23:33:04 2009
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:33:04 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
References: <443142.99933.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F39EAB3B2D874207BA806AC4DA4195DC@ASUS>

Sounds like a valid historic summary and I don't advertize.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:13 PM
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule

> <The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art about 
> advertising in his forum.  Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art 
> was considering having no ads at all due to abuse.  The consensus, at the 
> time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week 
> should be  a rule.   List members input was taken into account so this was 
> not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well.> <SNIP>
>>
>>
> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record 
> as saying that he did not mind ads.
> What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's 
> list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to 
> many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the 
> list with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the 
> malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge 
> being a part of what is  basically the best online meteorite forum and 
> said "OK, one a week".
> Then, rather than shut up,  these 4 or 5 people decide to declare 
> themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even 
> the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was 
> enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of 
> themselves and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was 
> their own.
> Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack 
> postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". 
> (The fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking 
> efforts is conveniently ignored).
> Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or 
> 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or 
> block sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that 
> people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in 
> some governments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of 
> the bickering. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 
> 4 or 5 people that is basically ruining things for everybody.
> Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of 
> us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand 
> that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather 
> than the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that 
> you somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even 
> though you have no ownership or control of this list?
> The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos.
> Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need 
> arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself.
> Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you 
> have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us.
> And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what 
> the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out 
> not the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the 
> will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the 
> aftermat of an Iranian election).
> I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to 
> entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of 
> themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad 
> attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 
> 1000 of us are surely happy about that.
> Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your 
> attacks anymore
> Sincerely
> DEAN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From grf2 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 15 23:40:17 2009
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:40:17 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 14, 2009
References: <200910151956.n9FJuah4002025@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <6AA7161E5F9A4285807525079826A40C@ASUS>

 Tyrrhena Terra Crater with Central Uplift and Hydrated Minerals
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014333_1715
In the above image, is the "rusty" patch in the lower right quad., the 
hydrated minerals??
Thanks in advance
Jerry Flaherty

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From: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:56 PM
To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 14, 2009

>
>
> MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
> October 14, 2009
>
> o USGS Dune Database Entry
>  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014426_2070
>
> o Slope Streaks in Olympus Mons Aureole
>  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014394_2045
>
> o Light-Toned Units along the Wallrock and Floor of Melas Region
>  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014339_1710
>
> o Tyrrhena Terra Crater with Central Uplift and Hydrated Minerals
>  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014333_1715
>
> o Gullies on South-Facing Slopes of Crater
>  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014271_1480
>
> o Disappearing Craters
>  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014097_1120
>
> All of the HiRISE images are archived here:
>
> http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/
>
> Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is
> online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is
> managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division
> of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA
> Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed
> Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor
> and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the
> University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies
> Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.
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From grf2 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 15 23:48:12 2009
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:48:12 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] One-Complaint Per Week Rule
References: <c7a.617cb0dc.3808fb46@aol.com>
	<80223.92283.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7BA75D7007DB4C1A9428C973027CD072@ASUS>

OH YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: "Frank Cressy" <fcressy at prodigy.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:41 PM
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] One-Complaint Per Week Rule

> I'd vote for the one complaint per week rule...maybe even a one complaint 
> per month rule!
>
> Frank
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From grf2 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 15 23:55:40 2009
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:55:40 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Groningen Bolide
References: <000101ca4e07$910f0a20$b32d1e60$@net>
Message-ID: <C4C44014E7FF45C6AC5E0B4A535331CB@ASUS>

Oh happy day I get to witness this!

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From: "christopher sharp" <casper at cooloola.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:22 PM
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Groningen Bolide

> Higher resolution image:
>
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
>
>
>
> Robert Mikaelyan got in a great couple of shots! He wouldn't have had a 
> lot
> of time.
>
>
>
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From geeg48 at msn.com  Fri Oct 16 00:11:04 2009
From: geeg48 at msn.com (GREG LINDH)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:11:04 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Ad controversy.
Message-ID: <BLU125-W21FC8EB2554983F761207BC9C40@phx.gbl>


 
  1 Ad per Week and person?

  O - Yes 
  O - No
  X - I DON'T CARE!
 
  Greg L. 		 	   		  

From rmforall at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 00:14:36 2009
From: rmforall at comcast.net (Rich Murray)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:14:36 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Feedback -- will get both from fine town
	library interlibrary loans -- you sold me MIA about 2 months
	ago -- Thanks muchly!: Ed Grondine: Rich Murray 2009.10.15
In-Reply-To: <287658.64765.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <287658.64765.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B0CE24B031604D43BD88A5067D5CB9B7@ownerPC>

Re: Feedback -- will get both from fine town library interlibrary loans --  
you sold me MIA about 2 months ago -- Thanks muchly!: Ed Grondine: Rich 
Murray 2009.10.15

Paul H, since I started posting about April to various lists, no one has 
agreed with me...

Well, I'm only presenting evidence for possibly a million 0.1 km diameter 
ice fragment impacts -- a fractal distribution, of course, in size, 
velocity, location, and angle of impact, within a time frame of a day to a 
few decades.

Fact is, after looking over many ice impact fields in many parts of Earth, I 
am confident of my findings, and suspect I will turn out to be barely ahead 
of a very large, exponentially evolving pack -- this is my goal.

The high (> 1 km), plateaus of Argentina, Oregon, New Mexico, and Texas are 
good places to apply Google Maps and Earth.

I'm interested in whether and why you might explore this.

I totally support the independence of all others.

Rich Murray, 1943 Otowi Road, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505 505-501-2298 
rmforall at comcast.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
To: <rmforall at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:42 PM
Subject: Feedback


> Hi Rich -
>
> But yourself copies of Clube and Napier's books "Cosmic Winter" and 
> "Cosmic Serpent", and then get a copy of my own book "Man and Impact in 
> the Americas".
>
> Ed



From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 16 00:22:37 2009
From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:22:37 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Sales bickering,
	debates and the Really Good Stuff
Message-ID: <2DA4DD3F22FE419DA979BA3FF624128A@user6e6e286533>

I personally think at this point that Art should be getting a quarter or at 
least some monetary amount for each post. If this were a Google click 
environment he'd be making some money.  ;-)

I'm all for you Art, and thanks for setting up the list. You honestly should 
be running for public office since you must have really strong and think 
skin to have all of this bouncing off of you.

Hang in there my friend. I appreciate your many years of the list and your 
services. Thanks for all the information we have had and are still gleaming 
from the list.

Keep up the great work for many years to come.

All the best!

Brian

IMCA  #6387

searchingforfun is my ebay User Id 



From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Oct 16 01:40:51 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:40:51 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Feedback -- will get both from fine town
	library interlibrary loans -- you sold me MIA about 2 months
	ago -- Thanks muchly!: Ed Grondine: Rich Murray 2009.10.15
In-Reply-To: <B0CE24B031604D43BD88A5067D5CB9B7@ownerPC>
References: <287658.64765.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B0CE24B031604D43BD88A5067D5CB9B7@ownerPC>
Message-ID: <fl1gd5pnprtqp0hjd6l4f9oie4eammb5mk@4ax.com>

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:14:36 -0600, you wrote:

>Paul H, since I started posting about April to various lists, no one has 
>agreed with me...
>

Well, you said that there was a new consensus, after all...


From moutinho at bol.com.br  Fri Oct 16 00:31:09 2009
From: moutinho at bol.com.br (=?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_Moutinho?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:31:09 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for Gujba
Message-ID: <4ad7f70da5c70_10992569ea413d@winter11.tmail>


Hello, does anyone have a nice 3-4 g Gujba slice for?a good price? Email me at moutinho at bol.com.br

Thank you!
Andre


From abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 01:09:09 2009
From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com (Abdelaziz Alhyane)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:09:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test - Ignore it please
Message-ID: <661339.95992.qm@web45410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Test - Ignore it please


      



From rmforall at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 01:46:59 2009
From: rmforall at comcast.net (Rich Murray)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:46:59 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Feedback: try this specific crater "R5" in
	Argentina: Darren Garrison: Rich Murray 2009.10.15
In-Reply-To: <fl1gd5pnprtqp0hjd6l4f9oie4eammb5mk@4ax.com>
References: <287658.64765.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><B0CE24B031604D43BD88A5067D5CB9B7@ownerPC>
	<fl1gd5pnprtqp0hjd6l4f9oie4eammb5mk@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <ECEEF4974F314DC4AA1344D55032B5B2@ownerPC>

Re: [meteorite-list] Feedback: try this specific crater "R5" in Argentina: 
Darren Garrison: Rich Murray 2009.10.15

Hello Darren Garrison,

Very apt!  You have very high aptitude...

Here's a nice view to try Google Earth on:

R5 -41.474665 -67.912145 3.0 round,
flat shallow 1.3 white core, .968, 1.167 area el 1 km N
also crater 1.2X.6 on SW rim,
5 km E of Rd 8 ns, 28 km N of Rds 5 and 7.
1X.5 green [farm?] on NW rim of white core, with road.
Part of a regional crater field on a dark, incised plateau -- the
edges of the plateau are dark layers .1 km deep at least.
This area is 130 km N of the Bajada del Diablo impact crater field.

Sometimes clouds and their shadows look like craters,
and some features are sinkholes, circle irrigation farm fields,
farming terraces on hillside slopes, multitudes of oval
freeze-thaw lakes in permafrost regions, orphan oxbow loops
in river valleys, volcanos, and calderas,
or mud, ice, or human dams on rivers, as well as mines,
springs, inclined surface faults, valleys in mountain fold belts.
I was fooled this year by piles of yellow sawdust in an
abandoned sawmill yard in Las Vegas, New Mexico,
until I visited the site.  Cowpaths that radiate from a central
stock tank make intriguing patterns, seen from above.

However, impacts can initiate, modify, or overlap any of
these -- for instance, an impact could create a shallow
long crater of cracked rocks on the west side of Santa Fe
Baldy, that might supply ground water and sustain an unusually
high altitude pine forrest, readily seen from Santa Fe.
On the east side I see [ 35.84 -105.75 ] a .13X.08 pond
at 3.494 km altitude on Google Earth.  Google Maps- Terrain
often colors many ponds and lakes blue, expediting searches.

Briefly, Carolina Bays (bays mean a particular type of tree in
North and South Carolina) are in the range 0.1 to 20 km,
probably ice or slushy comet fragment impacts at low
velocity ( 5 km/sec ), commonly carrying white sand and
minerals, at small angles under 10 degrees, like raindrops
on a moving car's windshield, leaving shallow, flat craters,
blasted but not melted or vaporized, with low rims, higher
on the exit direction of movement, with little or no metal
or stone from the objects. The shapes include round, oval,
and irregular. They are especially visible on flat, dry bedrock
areas above 1 km altitude, slower to be eroded, filled,
or overgrown.

There is a typical region from Las Vegas, New Mexico,
north, east, and south for 10 to 30 miles, with scores
of impacts, usually with associated white deposits,
which, of course, would be moved a lot by wind and water.
The uniform character of these unburied craters hints at
a recent Holocene origin. I've found many samples of
bedrock sandstone and lava rocks that seem to have
been coated with a firm 0.1 to 10 cm layer of white minerals --
I envison it coming from a high-pressure blast of very hot mineral
laden steam.

Drawing upon ideas from many sources, many of which will
be soon domumented in other posts, I agree that many ice
comets exist, with great variation in origin (early solar system
accretion, impacts and collisions on moons and planets with
surface water or ice), variable composition (mostly water,
any amount of various minerals, some inclusion of ordinary
metals, stones, organics, common gases), size, temperature
(cyrogenic solid, hot or warm from recent impacts or
solar perigees, surface only wamth), density ( solid to boulder
piles to spongey fractal types to dust balls), fragmentation
(none, a few huge pieces in a cluster or line of flight, fractal
cloud of pieces, velocity, angle of approach, orbital
reoccurence), spin (direction and amount), and target areas
(mountains, bare plateaus, lowland deserts, jungles, and coasts,
human development, water and ice areas and depths).

Impact scenarios for 5 km/sec low velocity impacts at low
angles (5-10 degrees), with significant air resistance at 125 km
for a mostly ice, cyrogenic, dense comet with 1,000 kg/m**3
density might be:

1. surface melting creates streamlining, enough to prevent
breakup and explosive airbursts, and creating enough lift
to lower the angle of descent and reduce the velocity
(or later enough drag to cause a lower velocity falling impact
at high angles).

2. As the lower surface encounters denser air, spinning
may be caused, which may around the axis of velocity as a
evolving cigar shape, or like a wheel, forming a sideways
spinning sausage vortex, bent back on both sides like
a "V".

3. Thus, the start of contact might leave 1, 2, 3, or more
parallel grooves, growing in width and depth.

4. The dense core of the object may often leave a
characteristic entry corridor, a valley with increasing
depth -- showing the effective diameter of the object.

5.The main impact of the dense core will make the
deepest part of the crater, still with little melting or
vaporizing of the target rock, but it will be highly cracked,
fragmented, and powdered, while the mineral
laden high pressure high temperature steam
at the zone of impact will quickly deposit layers
of minerals on the floor, dislodged fragments,
and flying objects -- when white, these coatings appear
to be ordinary caliche deposits.  Of course, water
erosion of white layers will lead to redistribution as
caliche deposits.

6. Expanding as a pancake of dense gases, dusts,
and fragments, the blast will make a shallow crater,
round, oval, or highly irregular,
with a single low rim, higher in the direction of movement,
often with a thin layer of ejecta past the rim.

7. Much of the forward momentum will make 1,2, more,
or a fan, grooves, channels, and lobes, ending in frozen flows
and deposits, sometimes with front and side ridges.

8. Hot dense high velocity sheets of mineral laden steam
may, as they shoot over huge rocks, create enough
aerodynamic lift to raise them and carry them, depositing
them downwind as erratics -- the same principle that
causes flowing air to generate lift over convex airfoils
(the commonly cited Bernoulli effect creates only a
fraction of the lift, while pressure on the bottom of
a upward inclined flat airfoil creates some more of the lift,
with the cost of increased drag resistance).

Enjoy,
Rich Murray 505-501-2298  rmforall at comcast.net


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Feedback -- will get both from fine 
townlibrary interlibrary loans -- you sold me MIA about 2 monthsago --  
Thanks muchly!: Ed Grondine: Rich Murray 2009.10.15


> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:14:36 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>Paul H, since I started posting about April to various lists, no one has
>>agreed with me...
>>
>
> Well, you said that there was a new consensus, after all...
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From majbaermann at web.de  Fri Oct 16 03:58:32 2009
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:58:32 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
References: <C6FD24CC.837C%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7211D22FB34A4670931E9E3CFB34FEB6@thinkcentre>

Hello Michael,

that's the point indeed. And in my opinion Martin's initiative doesn't tend
to establish a new rule at all. It's simply a vote for obeying to the
fundamental list-rules, determined by Mr. Art "Godot" ;-) himself.
Personally I think he did a pretty good job. And objectively these rules
simply have to be respected. Sursprising enough that it needs such a
discussion about such an obviousness.

Best regards,

Matthias Baermann

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
To: "dean bessey" <deanbessey at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule


> Hi Dean and All,
>        This is not a democracy,
>        It is a newsletter set up, managed by and paid for
> By Art. Art and only Art has "a say" in the rules -
> WHICH ARE QUITE CLEAR:
>        Michael Cottingham (and more than a few others)
> Choose to ignore the rule about one ad per week per person.
/listinfo/meteorite-list



From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 16 04:52:50 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:52:50 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Ad controversy.
In-Reply-To: <BLU125-W21FC8EB2554983F761207BC9C40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU125-W21FC8EB2554983F761207BC9C40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W286E69E03C08F84C1BD7DDD6C40@phx.gbl>


O - No -----------
Melanie
IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09

Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get!






----------------------------------------
> From: geeg48 at msn.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:11:04 -0700
> Subject: [meteorite-list] The Ad controversy.
>
>
>
> 1 Ad per Week and person?
>
> O - Yes
> O - No
> X - I DON'T CARE!
>
> Greg L.
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 05:06:42 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:06:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <639305.90697.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <639305.90697.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <778051.15243.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dean,

If you recall, I did not start this string.  Michael Cottingham started it with his spooky letter to himself that he posted to the List admitting he has gone way too far.

Your revised history only demonstrates  ignorance. It is a simple matter of weeding through the hundreds of ads in the archives to see that a consensus has already been taken and you are in the minority. It appears that most list members still agree with Art's rule judging from the feed back I read tonight.

I have better things to do than argue with ignorance.

Regards,

Adam





----- Original Message ----
From: dean bessey <deanbessey at yahoo.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 1:12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule

> Dean,
> Check the archives. As usual, you are flat out wrong. Art
> made the rule, not four or five members.  This is his
> forum and his rules. Several members weighed in before the
> decision was made.
> Take Care,
> Adam
> 
Art made the rule after declaring that he dont care (Check the archaives) and 4 or 5 people bombarded the list with hundreds of anti ad postings making the list unbearable.
But my real question is "What are you trying to acompolish by bombarding the other 1000 of us with multiple postings about the fact that you dont like lots of ads". We have no say in the matter wither we like it or not. Lets say that me the the other 1000 list members agree with you 100% and we want cottingham and big steve kicked off the list? What do you want us to do? Bombard Art with hundreds of complaints in the same way that these 4 or 5 people are bombarding the rest of us about the compalints about ads?
You are complaining to the wrong people in your effort to stop all of these ad postings. The other 1000 of us have no say in the matter.
This has been going on your years and years. We have had to put up with these hundreds of anti ad postings for years. Dont you think its time to give it a rest? If Art actually cared he would do something about it. These 4 or 5 people evidently care more than art does so dont try creating this holier than thou attitude in the name of art.
Ad's arent the problem. These attack postings are the real problem (5 postings per as commenting on how bad the ad postings are dont seem like a sensible use of posting time.
This has gone on for years. Its time to only email art in private if you dont like how the list is run. The other 1000 of us dont really want to be a part of this crap.
Sincerely
DEAN









      
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Fri Oct 16 06:33:55 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:33:55 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In-Reply-To: <7211D22FB34A4670931E9E3CFB34FEB6@thinkcentre>
References: <C6FD24CC.837C%mlblood@cox.net>
	<7211D22FB34A4670931E9E3CFB34FEB6@thinkcentre>
Message-ID: <001201ca4e4c$2a4ab2e0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Huh Matthias,

it wasn't my intention to start a poll,
it was only a reply on Dean's mail, what for a question should be posed in
such a poll.

Expressing my opinion, that from the hundreds of members only a very few are
professional dealers, like him and us,
so that they certainly don't have to care about the needs and the abilities
of a dealer to sell his material and that therefore special circumstances,
as mentioned from Dean are of minor interest to the 1-Ad-rule.

It's Art's list, he can and shall do, what he thinks is right.

Hopefully there aren't coming now hundreds of vote-mails.
They most probably would help for nothing, because there will be always a
few nasty ones, which are different from the other children.
Whether one necessarily should play with those, that would be a more
interesting question, which in the end has everyone to answer by
him/herself.

>Sursprising enough that it needs such a discussion about such an
>obviousness.

More surprising, that we have this discussions four times per year...


Best!
Martin


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Matthias
B?rmann
Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Oktober 2009 09:59
An: Michael Blood; dean bessey; Meteorite List
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule

Hello Michael,

that's the point indeed. And in my opinion Martin's initiative doesn't tend
to establish a new rule at all. It's simply a vote for obeying to the
fundamental list-rules, determined by Mr. Art "Godot" ;-) himself.
Personally I think he did a pretty good job. And objectively these rules
simply have to be respected. Sursprising enough that it needs such a
discussion about such an obviousness.

Best regards,

Matthias Baermann

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
To: "dean bessey" <deanbessey at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule


> Hi Dean and All,
>        This is not a democracy,
>        It is a newsletter set up, managed by and paid for
> By Art. Art and only Art has "a say" in the rules -
> WHICH ARE QUITE CLEAR:
>        Michael Cottingham (and more than a few others)
> Choose to ignore the rule about one ad per week per person.
/listinfo/meteorite-list

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From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Oct 16 11:47:39 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:47:39 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Feedback: try this specific crater "R5" in
	Argentina: Darren Garrison: Rich Murray 2009.10.15
In-Reply-To: <ECEEF4974F314DC4AA1344D55032B5B2@ownerPC>
References: <287658.64765.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><B0CE24B031604D43BD88A5067D5CB9B7@ownerPC>
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:46:59 -0600, you wrote:

>Briefly, Carolina Bays (bays mean a particular type of tree in
>North and South Carolina) are in the range 0.1 to 20 km,
>probably ice or slushy comet fragment impacts at low
>velocity ( 5 km/sec )

5 km/sec is anything but low velocity.  The fastest velocity listed on this
chart of military ammunitions is 4000 feet/sec (at 78 feet from the muzzle, but
initial velocity is probably not too far off from that) which is around 1.2
km/sec.  5 km/sec is 4 times faster than a speeding, armor piercing bullet.  Any
object traveling anywhere close to 5 km/sec (wherther composed of rock, ice, or
pure crystallized aspartame) is going to make what is known in technical terms
as a "giant-ass" explosion, excavating a deep, round crater.  

Here's an amazing bit of video that I've been itching for an excuse to post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg&feature=player_embedded


From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Oct 16 11:48:56 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:48:56 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Feedback: try this specific crater "R5" in
	Argentina: Darren Garrison: Rich Murray 2009.10.15
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Sorry, here's the chart I mentioned:

http://www.gun-shots.net/ballistics-chart.shtml


From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 12:07:34 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:07:34 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] One ad per week,
	one pet per sailor - parrots preferred.
Message-ID: <e51421550910160907x510f3896s3dc671826a579fcc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

"THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON METEORITES COINCIDED WITH
THE MOST ADS."

I respectfully disagree here.  I've seen perfectly good questions
about meteoritics posted in the past, only to hear crickets and see
tumbleweeds in response.  More often than not, the preponderance of
ads on the list is distracting at best.  I adhere to the rule and I
expect others to, regardless of how they justify themselves.  A $50
sale for me can make the difference between buying groceries or paying
a bill, yet I post no more than one ad a week.(admittedly, once or
twice in two+ years I have broken this rule)   It's incredulous to
think that someone with a million dollar collection needs sales so bad
that the rules must broken, again and again.  I could probably use the
sales more than 99% of the rule breakers.  When was the last time the
big dealers rolled coins to buy gas or groceries?

All of this is moot anyway - the only opinion on this issue that
matters is Art's.  Until he chimes in, all of this discord is
pointless.

Like someone else said before - contact Art in private and discuss
this with him.  There are 1000+ people here to learn about meteorites
- I would wager that most of them don't care to hear all of this
belly-aching over advertisements.

Back to my original point - many of the best discussions on this list
(in my ~2 years here) have not centered around ads.  I can cite
examples from the archives, but again - I'm not Art, so who cares?

A piece of friendly advice for the anti-ad crowd - use your inbox filters!

I haven't seen an ad from any of the rule breakers in months - they go
straight to my junk bin.

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG

PS - AD! - I have Udei Station, Gibeon and Seymchan etched slices
available for sale!  Contact me offlist for details.  These are not on
my website and come from my collection cabinet. :)






On 10/15/09, michael cottingham <mikewren at gilanet.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> DITTO. Also the days when we had the MOST ads, were the most
> productive on the list. THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON
> METEORITES COINCIDED WITH THE MOST ADS. So a big part of this whole
> topic is BULLSHIT.  If you really want to do it right for THE FIRST
> TIME -have a real vote. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST LONGER THAN 70% of
> the folks on this list. So if you want a true historical perspective
> maybe ask someone who's been here a lot longer than the critics...
>
> Michael Cottingham
> On Oct 15, 2009, at 12:13 PM, dean bessey wrote:
>
>> <The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art
>> about advertising in his forum.  Advertising is a privilege, not a
>> right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse.
>> The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being
>> posted and that one-ad-per-week should be  a rule.   List members
>> input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but
>> the majority of other members as well.> <SNIP>
>>>
>>>
>> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on
>> record as saying that he did not mind ads.
>> What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack
>> Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from
>> making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months
>> of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically
>> tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that
>> they have the privelidge being a part of what is  basically the best
>> online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week".
>> Then, rather than shut up,  these 4 or 5 people decide to declare
>> themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and
>> even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and
>> munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue
>> making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack
>> arts list as if it was their own.
>> Then after people started leaving the list because of all these
>> attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because
>> of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their
>> hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored).
>> Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been
>> 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete
>> button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike
>> the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural
>> property people in some governments but its an insignificant few).
>> People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around
>> that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically
>> ruining things for everybody.
>> Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other
>> 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you
>> to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont
>> you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even
>> if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to
>> unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no
>> ownership or control of this list?
>> The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos.
>> Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even
>> need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself.
>> Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If
>> you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us.
>> And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as
>> what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is
>> flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list
>> owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as
>> they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election).
>> I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed
>> to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of
>> themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti
>> ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads.
>> The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that.
>> Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to
>> your attacks anymore
>> Sincerely
>> DEAN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Fri Oct 16 12:51:47 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:51:47 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] One ad per week,
	one pet per sailor - parrots preferred.
In-Reply-To: <e51421550910160907x510f3896s3dc671826a579fcc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e51421550910160907x510f3896s3dc671826a579fcc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5F0F36ED-DA16-485E-8307-D581643C260A@gilanet.com>

Hello,

You are referring to the statement I made, and I reread it and I see  
that I was not clear.

Many years ago, there was not an AD Ban or a 1 Ad a week rule, this  
was before your time on the list. In those days, a huge amount of ads  
coincided with a multitude of diverse meteorite topics. It is in my  
opinion that in the days of many ads, we had better and more serious  
topics on meteorites than we do today. The topics today are fine, but  
in the old days they were richer in content. My opinion. The many ads  
and many better topics have nothing to do with each other THAN they  
coincided with each other on this list with NO PROBLEM. Until, a small  
percentage of people whined and complained, until the complaining  
became THE PROBLEM -NOT THE ADS.

Yes Art owns the list, Yes, we owe a great debt of gratitude to Art  
and many thanks. However, when the day comes that people make someone  
else the GOD and RULER, not to be challenged or questioned, than that  
of course is the day when decay begins. All I have asked is for a vote  
on the issue which concerns 900+ people. I have always thought this  
was a good idea-since an immense amount of complaining centers around  
the issue.  I will be leaving the list shortly, but the issue will not  
be resolved by my leaving because your root problem will still be with  
you. At least my ads will be gone and that should make some of you  
very happy.

Think about it - if there is not a challenge of open discussion (like  
voting on a topic)  than what you have is a no growth situation that  
leads to decay.  My opinion.

Yes Art owns the list, Yes, we owe a great debt of gratitude to Art  
and many thanks.  However, to make Art's word or anyones word the  
final say on a subject. Is insane. History shows that to be true.

No worries though, everything is good too.

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham

On Oct 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:

> Hi List,
>
> "THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON METEORITES COINCIDED WITH
> THE MOST ADS."
>
> I respectfully disagree here.  I've seen perfectly good questions
> about meteoritics posted in the past, only to hear crickets and see
> tumbleweeds in response.  More often than not, the preponderance of
> ads on the list is distracting at best.  I adhere to the rule and I
> expect others to, regardless of how they justify themselves.  A $50
> sale for me can make the difference between buying groceries or paying
> a bill, yet I post no more than one ad a week.(admittedly, once or
> twice in two+ years I have broken this rule)   It's incredulous to
> think that someone with a million dollar collection needs sales so bad
> that the rules must broken, again and again.  I could probably use the
> sales more than 99% of the rule breakers.  When was the last time the
> big dealers rolled coins to buy gas or groceries?
>
> All of this is moot anyway - the only opinion on this issue that
> matters is Art's.  Until he chimes in, all of this discord is
> pointless.
>
> Like someone else said before - contact Art in private and discuss
> this with him.  There are 1000+ people here to learn about meteorites
> - I would wager that most of them don't care to hear all of this
> belly-aching over advertisements.
>
> Back to my original point - many of the best discussions on this list
> (in my ~2 years here) have not centered around ads.  I can cite
> examples from the archives, but again - I'm not Art, so who cares?
>
> A piece of friendly advice for the anti-ad crowd - use your inbox  
> filters!
>
> I haven't seen an ad from any of the rule breakers in months - they go
> straight to my junk bin.
>
> Best regards and clear skies,
>
> MikeG
>
> PS - AD! - I have Udei Station, Gibeon and Seymchan etched slices
> available for sale!  Contact me offlist for details.  These are not on
> my website and come from my collection cabinet. :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/15/09, michael cottingham <mikewren at gilanet.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> DITTO. Also the days when we had the MOST ads, were the most
>> productive on the list. THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON
>> METEORITES COINCIDED WITH THE MOST ADS. So a big part of this whole
>> topic is BULLSHIT.  If you really want to do it right for THE FIRST
>> TIME -have a real vote. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST LONGER THAN 70% of
>> the folks on this list. So if you want a true historical perspective
>> maybe ask someone who's been here a lot longer than the critics...
>>
>> Michael Cottingham
>> On Oct 15, 2009, at 12:13 PM, dean bessey wrote:
>>
>>> <The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art
>>> about advertising in his forum.  Advertising is a privilege, not a
>>> right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse.
>>> The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being
>>> posted and that one-ad-per-week should be  a rule.   List members
>>> input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but
>>> the majority of other members as well.> <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on
>>> record as saying that he did not mind ads.
>>> What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack
>>> Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from
>>> making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months
>>> of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically
>>> tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that
>>> they have the privelidge being a part of what is  basically the best
>>> online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week".
>>> Then, rather than shut up,  these 4 or 5 people decide to declare
>>> themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and
>>> even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and
>>> munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue
>>> making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack
>>> arts list as if it was their own.
>>> Then after people started leaving the list because of all these
>>> attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because
>>> of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their
>>> hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored).
>>> Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been
>>> 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete
>>> button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike
>>> the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural
>>> property people in some governments but its an insignificant few).
>>> People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around
>>> that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically
>>> ruining things for everybody.
>>> Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other
>>> 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you
>>> to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont
>>> you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even
>>> if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to
>>> unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no
>>> ownership or control of this list?
>>> The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the  
>>> whackos.
>>> Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even
>>> need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself.
>>> Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If
>>> you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us.
>>> And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as
>>> what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is
>>> flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list
>>> owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as
>>> they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election).
>>> I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed
>>> to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of
>>> themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti
>>> ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads.
>>> The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that.
>>> Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to
>>> your attacks anymore
>>> Sincerely
>>> DEAN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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>
>
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> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
> FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
> MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
> Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Fri Oct 16 14:17:52 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:17:52 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Biggest Impact Crater Discovered
Message-ID: <4AD8B8D0.4060708@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Everyone,

Apparently this got missed yesterday, or maybe I missed it if it was 
already posted to the list.

Seems like major meteorite/asteroid news to me.

Giant Impact Near India -- Not Mexico -- May Have Doomed Dinosaurs
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091015102246.htm

'World's biggest crater' discovered
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44323/181/

Enjoy...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA



From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 16 14:22:22 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:22:22 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
Message-ID: <SNT117-W313CABEE286DC2363B2535D2C40@phx.gbl>



All:

Take a look.? Looks like the real deal.? A hammer!

Greg S.


http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932




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Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five
tiny meteorite fragments. 

They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into their
Pathfinder three weeks ago. 

"I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens
of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a meteorite
is going to crash-land on your car?" 

The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite that lit
up the skies of southern Ontario
Sept. 25. 

The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the University of
Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres above Guelph
as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres per hour. 

Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a
12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby
where they thought the meteor fell. 

Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family realize their car-bashing
vandal might instead be an alien invader. 

"We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne,
who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for reporters to see
Friday. 

After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil McCausland, an
astrophysicist at the University
 of Western Ontario, who
verified the tiny rocks were out of this world. 

"They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are
every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting." 

The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've agreed to
loan them to university researchers for three months.


 		 	   		  
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 14:31:31 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:31:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] park forest
Message-ID: <98562.59336.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I am looking for a piece oif park forest.An individual or fragment.I have $500 to spend.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 


From bencubbin at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 16 15:10:42 2009
From: bencubbin at hotmail.com (Howard Steffic)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:10:42 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] I will be retiring from the meteorite list -
 so	please join my sales group which I started in 2000
In-Reply-To: <3A6D1F44-86A2-42DD-9455-F4A2413BD723@gilanet.com>
References: <3A6D1F44-86A2-42DD-9455-F4A2413BD723@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <COL121-W5222F8772FA6082B7368B2B7C40@phx.gbl>


Let me see if I understand this correctly, Michael.  Please set me on the right track, if I am wrong.
 
Since you can not post your ads to this list any time you damn well please, then you are going to put them on your own mailing list and not post here at all.  Even once a week?  Is this your way of punishing us for complaining?  We never get to see any of your ads and have to figure out on our own that all we have to do is look at your ebay store?  How will we ever survive this punishment?
 
This kind of reminds me of grade school when a child would "take their ball and go home" if they could not make the rules.
 
Anyway, good Luck with your sales list.  Please sign me up.

Howard Steffic 


> From: mikewren at gilanet.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:51:13 -0700
> Subject: [meteorite-list] I will be retiring from the meteorite list - so please join my sales group which I started in 2000
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> In 2000 I started a sales list and I have decided to use it again. I 
> have decided for many reasons to leave the meteorite list and I offer 
> those of you who want to continue receiving sales info please join by 
> clicking the link and sending a blank email. You will be signed up 
> automatically. My entire collection is on the verge of being sold, 
> but if not, I will begin the slicing and selling of all of my 
> meteorite material starting in January, I will be selling over 20,000 
> meteorite specimens and will be trying to do that from January to June 
> of 2010. Yes, with the slicing of my entire collection I do indeed 
> have over 20,000 specimens that will come onto the market. Hopefully, 
> the collection will sell in its whole state. It sure would save a lot 
> of trouble!
> 
> Anyways, if you would like to stay incontact and enjoy many great 
> discounted sales to come, please join my newsletter below.
> 
> Just click and send blank email
> 
> meteoritecollector-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> Best Wishes
> 
> Michael Cottingham
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bandk at chorus.net  Fri Oct 16 15:34:02 2009
From: bandk at chorus.net (Becky and Kirk)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:34:02 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] FOR SALE---Tamdakht, NWA3157, NWA3151 & NWA978
References: <4AD8B8D0.4060708@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <60A13ADBCD39451EBBDA3F5676D165DF@owner55652f88b>

Hi All,
I have the following (4) meteorites for sale. They can be purchased 
separately or as a group.
I am also open to offers for them.

(1). NWA3157 Ungrouped Type 3 Chondrite .4 grams (TKW: a very rare 51.7g) 
($50.00 or BEST OFFER) Comes in a gem jar with orig. ID card from the Adam 
Hupe collection. **A BEAUTIFUL PIECE**

(2) Tamdahkt  A very nice 20 gram specimen (looks like your little finger!) 
Has about 15% fusion crust. ($60.00 or BEST OFFER) Comes with a great orig. 
ID card from the Michael Cottingham collection.

(3) NWA3151 Brachinite .163 grams (mostly small pieces, granules, etc.) 
($20.00 or BEST OFFER) (Comes in a gem jar with an orig. ID card from the 
Adam Hupe collection. (TKW only 1,500 grams)
A MUST HAVE!!

(4) NWA978 R3.8 Chondrite .85 grams Rumurutite ($ 20.00 or BEST OFFER) Comes 
in a gem jar with the orig. ID card from the Adam Hupe collection. **A VERY 
NICE PIECE---LOTS OF VISIBLE  CHONDRULES**

Please contact me off-list at: bandk at chorus.net.
Pics can be sent by request. Thank you much!
Kirk.......:-)







From mikewren at gilanet.com  Fri Oct 16 15:39:52 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:39:52 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] I will be retiring from the meteorite list -
	so	please join my sales group which I started in 2000
In-Reply-To: <COL121-W5222F8772FA6082B7368B2B7C40@phx.gbl>
References: <3A6D1F44-86A2-42DD-9455-F4A2413BD723@gilanet.com>
	<COL121-W5222F8772FA6082B7368B2B7C40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BFF32E1C-7373-4592-809A-D090B0C9DE5B@gilanet.com>

Hello,

Heck, I never thought of it like that...mmmm...punishment... well, no.

That would be ridiculous to think that this was a type of punishment  
and that I could punish anyone on the list by taking meteorites away  
from them.

My ebay store will remain, and yes, all folks have to do is just stop  
by once and awhile. However, my sales list will have offers, sales,  
discounts, and trades, that will not be offered here. Not anymore.

I personally need the freedom to have more than one ad a week and by  
posting too many ads here it is causes nothing but trouble and since  
the problem will still remain even if I am gone, it is best that I  
begin to plan an exit.

Best Wishes

Michael


On Oct 16, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Howard Steffic wrote:

>
> Let me see if I understand this correctly, Michael.  Please set me  
> on the right track, if I am wrong.
>
> Since you can not post your ads to this list any time you damn well  
> please, then you are going to put them on your own mailing list and  
> not post here at all.  Even once a week?  Is this your way of  
> punishing us for complaining?  We never get to see any of your ads  
> and have to figure out on our own that all we have to do is look at  
> your ebay store?  How will we ever survive this punishment?
>
> This kind of reminds me of grade school when a child would "take  
> their ball and go home" if they could not make the rules.
>
> Anyway, good Luck with your sales list.  Please sign me up.
>
> Howard Steffic
>
>
>> From: mikewren at gilanet.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:51:13 -0700
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] I will be retiring from the meteorite  
>> list - so please join my sales group which I started in 2000
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> In 2000 I started a sales list and I have decided to use it again. I
>> have decided for many reasons to leave the meteorite list and I offer
>> those of you who want to continue receiving sales info please join by
>> clicking the link and sending a blank email. You will be signed up
>> automatically. My entire collection is on the verge of being sold,
>> but if not, I will begin the slicing and selling of all of my
>> meteorite material starting in January, I will be selling over 20,000
>> meteorite specimens and will be trying to do that from January to  
>> June
>> of 2010. Yes, with the slicing of my entire collection I do indeed
>> have over 20,000 specimens that will come onto the market. Hopefully,
>> the collection will sell in its whole state. It sure would save a lot
>> of trouble!
>>
>> Anyways, if you would like to stay incontact and enjoy many great
>> discounted sales to come, please join my newsletter below.
>>
>> Just click and send blank email
>>
>> meteoritecollector-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>> Best Wishes
>>
>> Michael Cottingham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From GeoZay at aol.com  Fri Oct 16 15:42:37 2009
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:42:37 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Biggest Impact Crater Discovered
Message-ID: <d4c.4db4239b.380a26ad@aol.com>

It says the object that made the crater would be  about 25 miles in 
diameter...that seems to be way too large to end up with life  recovering like it 
did. It also suggested that it could have been the cause of  the dinosaur 
extinction and then suggested it might have caused the Volcanic  Deccan traps? 
Weren't these two events a couple hundred million years  apart?
GeoZay  



From GeoZay at aol.com  Fri Oct 16 15:56:30 2009
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:56:30 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Biggest Impact Crater Discovered
Message-ID: <cea.641bd7d6.380a29ee@aol.com>

>>It says the object that made the crater  would be about 25 miles in 
diameter...that seems to be way too large to end up  with life recovering like it 
did. It also suggested that it could have been the  cause of the dinosaur 
extinction and then suggested it might have caused the  Volcanic Deccan 
traps? Weren't these two events a couple hundred million years  apart?
GeoZay<<

Okay...I just looked it up...I was wrong...the  traps were around 65 to 68 
million years ago...about the same time as the  dinosaur killing asteroid 
off of Yucatan showed up. 
GeoZay  



From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 16 16:30:06 2009
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:30:06 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Biggest Impact Crater Discovered
Message-ID: <COL108-W22A40EC1927881ABAE62B29BC40@phx.gbl>


Hi,

Does anyone have a website of the various maps of the world millions of years ago? Would come in handy and give things  a little more perspective, I think. Where was India 65 m.y. ago?

Carl


>Giant Impact Near India -- Not Mexico -- May Have Doomed Dinosaurs
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091015102246.htm

>World's biggest crater' discovered
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44323/181/


 		 	   		  
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 16 16:38:24 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:38:24 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashed into an SUV near Hamilton
Message-ID: <SNT117-W23EFF2CA7E4B377E00D2F0D2C40@phx.gbl>


Here's another.

Greg S.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20091016/meteorite_suv_091016/20091016?hub=SciTech
 		 	   		  
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From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Oct 16 17:48:53 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:48:53 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Biggest Impact Crater Discovered
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W22A40EC1927881ABAE62B29BC40@phx.gbl>
References: <COL108-W22A40EC1927881ABAE62B29BC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6eqhd5l4j92f8ne4hhnemfr7jm09l85suq@4ax.com>

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:30:06 -0700, you wrote:

>
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone have a website of the various maps of the world millions of years ago? Would come in handy and give things  a little more perspective, I think. Where was India 65 m.y. ago?
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeL7a1Kz9cM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOzh5YuLVb4&feature=related


From fujmon at mac.com  Fri Oct 16 14:31:01 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:31:01 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W313CABEE286DC2363B2535D2C40@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT117-W313CABEE286DC2363B2535D2C40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <70C27FDD-A0BC-419F-81DD-DEED17299D69@mac.com>

Wow!  Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill (1992),  
Getafe (1994)!

gary

On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote:

>
>
> All:
>
> Take a look.  Looks like the real deal.  A hammer!
>
> Greg S.
>
>
> http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932
>
>
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>
> Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five
> tiny meteorite fragments.
>
> They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into  
> their
> Pathfinder three weeks ago.
>
> "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens
> of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a  
> meteorite
> is going to crash-land on your car?"
>
> The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite  
> that lit
> up the skies of southern Ontario
> Sept. 25.
>
> The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the  
> University of
> Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres  
> above Guelph
> as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres  
> per hour.
>
> Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a
> 12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby
> where they thought the meteor fell.
>
> Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family  
> realize their car-bashing
> vandal might instead be an alien invader.
>
> "We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne,
> who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for  
> reporters to see
> Friday.
>
> After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil  
> McCausland, an
> astrophysicist at the University
> of Western Ontario, who
> verified the tiny rocks were out of this world.
>
> "They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are
> every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting."
>
> The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've  
> agreed to
> loan them to university researchers for three months.
>
>
> 		 	   		
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(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
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From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Fri Oct 16 17:33:50 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:33:50 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
In-Reply-To: <70C27FDD-A0BC-419F-81DD-DEED17299D69@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <1202451668-1255728928-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-154815777-@bda677.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

And Worden (Michigan).
Matt
----------------------
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:31:01 
To: Greg Stanley<stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space

Wow!  Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill (1992),  
Getafe (1994)!

gary

On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote:

>
>
> All:
>
> Take a look.  Looks like the real deal.  A hammer!
>
> Greg S.
>
>
> http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932
>
>
>
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>
>
> Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five
> tiny meteorite fragments.
>
> They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into  
> their
> Pathfinder three weeks ago.
>
> "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens
> of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a  
> meteorite
> is going to crash-land on your car?"
>
> The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite  
> that lit
> up the skies of southern Ontario
> Sept. 25.
>
> The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the  
> University of
> Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres  
> above Guelph
> as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres  
> per hour.
>
> Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a
> 12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby
> where they thought the meteor fell.
>
> Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family  
> realize their car-bashing
> vandal might instead be an alien invader.
>
> "We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne,
> who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for  
> reporters to see
> Friday.
>
> After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil  
> McCausland, an
> astrophysicist at the University
> of Western Ontario, who
> verified the tiny rocks were out of this world.
>
> "They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are
> every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting."
>
> The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've  
> agreed to
> loan them to university researchers for three months.
>
>
> 		 	   		
> _________________________________________________________________
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(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
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From abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 17:54:59 2009
From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com (Abdelaziz Alhyane)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:54:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Huge NWA Iron for sale  -AD-
In-Reply-To: <787389.55854.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <649130.45440.qm@web45413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hello List,
The Monster is still sleeping over here, as I said, $20k takes it home with no Fedex cost. the delivery is guaranteed.
Pictures here :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21003651 at N03/

Off list please at : alhyane_abdelaziz at yahoo.com

My best
Aziz




--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Huge NWA Iron for sale  -AD-
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:26 PM
> Hello List,
> Alhyane Abdelaziz asked me to forward this ad for him.
> Thomas
> 
> Dear List, 
> Up for sale, A huge new NWA Iron find of 34000g with
> gorgeous regmaglyptes and Two smooth edges.
> Photos
> :
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2598/4005452746_8e8b647f92_b.jpg
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2657/4004684781_334e1e36b1_b.jpg
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2527/4004683337_15834c35a3_b.jpg
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2588/4005446786_dd0614b05f_b.jpg
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2527/4004683337_15834c35a3_b.jpg
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2588/4005446786_dd0614b05f_b.jpg
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2552/4004678899_3f3e4d13ce_b.jpg
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2484/4005435596_25f10c734c_b.jpg
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2570/4005438294_a2a2c43b14_b.jpg
> 
> $20k takes it home and free Fedex shipping, Guarateed
> delivering.
> 1st come, 1st served.
> 
> Alhyane Abdelaziz
> 83500 Morocco
> +212 6 61655060
> http://www.tourisme-nomade.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 17:55:56 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:55:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Biggest Impact Crater Discovered
In-Reply-To: <4AD8B8D0.4060708@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <774884.84897.qm@web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've got a couple of problems with this article.
They are "hoping" to find shocked quartz and Iridium anomalies after drilling? A 500 kilometer wide crater should have surely left traces or these over large areas of India, not just inside the crater. I don't see any mention of this supporting evidence.

"... but where it does come ashore it is marked by tall cliffs, active faults and hot springs."

Really? 65 million years of continental drift and erosion hasn't blunted these features?

It'll be interesting to see what further study by geologists reveal and if this discovery is correct.
I'm sure they'll be plenty of discussion here and on MPML about this.


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Fri, 10/16/09, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:

> From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Biggest Impact Crater Discovered
> To: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 11:17 AM
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Apparently this got missed yesterday, or maybe I missed it
> if it was already posted to the list.
> 
> Seems like major meteorite/asteroid news to me.
> 
> Giant Impact Near India -- Not Mexico -- May Have Doomed
> Dinosaurs
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091015102246.htm
> 
> 'World's biggest crater' discovered
> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44323/181/
> 
> Enjoy...
> 
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> 
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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 18:02:17 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:02:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Biggest Impact Crater Discovered
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W22A40EC1927881ABAE62B29BC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <814338.87785.qm@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Carl,

if you have Google Earth installed, try these overlays:

http://tinyurl.com/yl6jeoj

Created by Dr. Ron Blakey, Professor Emeritus of Geology at Northern Arizona University, you can see how the Earth looked at various stages in its history, including at the K-T Boundry.

Dr. Blakey's webpage is found here:

http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~rcb7/RCB.html

--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Fri, 10/16/09, Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Biggest Impact Crater Discovered
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 1:30 PM
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone have a website of the various maps of the world
> millions of years ago? Would come in handy and give
> things? a little more perspective, I think. Where was
> India 65 m.y. ago?
> 
> Carl
> 
> 
> >Giant Impact Near India -- Not Mexico -- May Have
> Doomed Dinosaurs
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091015102246.htm
> 
> >World's biggest crater' discovered
> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44323/181/
> 
> 
>  ???
> ????????
> ?????? ???
> ? 
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From tbear1 at cableone.net  Fri Oct 16 17:47:14 2009
From: tbear1 at cableone.net (Ted Bunch)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:47:14 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
In-Reply-To: <70C27FDD-A0BC-419F-81DD-DEED17299D69@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C6FE37F2.E93D%tbear1@cableone.net>

Apparently, meteorites seek out cars much like tornadoes seek out trailer
parks. Are we onto something here?

Ted


On 10/16/09 11:31 AM, "Gary Fujihara" <fujmon at mac.com> wrote:

> Wow!  Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill (1992),
> Getafe (1994)!
> 
> gary
> 
> On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> All:
>> 
>> Take a look.  Looks like the real deal.  A hammer!
>> 
>> Greg S.
>> 
>> 
>> http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five
>> tiny meteorite fragments.
>> 
>> They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into
>> their
>> Pathfinder three weeks ago.
>> 
>> "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens
>> of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a
>> meteorite
>> is going to crash-land on your car?"
>> 
>> The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite
>> that lit
>> up the skies of southern Ontario
>> Sept. 25.
>> 
>> The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the
>> University of
>> Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres
>> above Guelph
>> as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres
>> per hour.
>> 
>> Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a
>> 12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby
>> where they thought the meteor fell.
>> 
>> Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family
>> realize their car-bashing
>> vandal might instead be an alien invader.
>> 
>> "We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne,
>> who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for
>> reporters to see
>> Friday.
>> 
>> After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil
>> McCausland, an
>> astrophysicist at the University
>> of Western Ontario, who
>> verified the tiny rocks were out of this world.
>> 
>> "They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are
>> every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting."
>> 
>> The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've
>> agreed to
>> loan them to university researchers for three months.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com  Fri Oct 16 18:13:03 2009
From: tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com (Tom Randall (KB2SMS))
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:13:03 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] I will be retiring from the meteorite list -
	so please join my sales group which I started in 2000
Message-ID: <740CDB27-C5BC-43B0-8910-A6416E018ABD@hvc.rr.com>


Hi Mike,
     The link in your post is for the meteorite list. Add me to YOUR  
list if you would!

Regards,

Tom




From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 16 18:59:50 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:59:50 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Biggest Impact Crater Discovered
References: <d4c.4db4239b.380a26ad@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2BEA682EF256403F99703EAA5FF60C18@ATARIENGINE2>

Dear Geo and List,

The Indian Deccan Traps basalt-flood vulcanism
began before dinosaurs were extinct, continued
through the extinction event, and for a few million
years afterward.

The region of the vast lava flows has some major sites
of fossilized dinosaur eggs, not after the eruptions,
but during and in-between them, thus demonstrating
rather conclusively that several million years of the
Traps (the second biggest flood-basalt region on the
planet) did not kill off the dinosaurs, even the ones
that lived there.

The individual layers of the Traps have been well-dated;
the so-called crater has not been dated at all. I say so-
called crater because it is regarded with great skepticism
by many including me (who is as pro-impact as you'll
find hereabouts).

All they have done is look at the shape. I do not find
that shape convincing -- the "central peak" is not in
the center but over near the rim (impossible!) and the
rim walls don't look like rim walls to me.

They know they need actual evidence. I quote: "The
team hopes to go India later this year to examine rocks
drill[ed] from the center of the putative crater for...
shattered and melted target rocks,... breccias, shocked
quartz, and an iridium anomaly..."

But... but... how could it have circular walls (or half a
circular wall)? Well, 65.3 million years ago, India wasn't
IN India. India was a big island off southern Africa, just
east of Madagascar! (50 million years before that, it was
part of (or attached to) Antarctica. India was on a long,
slow sea voyage to the north.

So, about 30 million years ago, it smacked into Asia and
pushed the Himalayas up and lifted the low-lying Tibet
Plateau into the sky. Anyway, we don't know where the
exact plate boundaries of the cruising Indian Plate were
and don't know if the "crater" traveled north with it. Or,
it could simply be that the "crater" is nothing but some
wrinkled terrain that India pushed into and bent... hard.

We WON'T know without a lot of drilling and sampling
and dating over vast stretches of ocean and gravimetric
surveys and a buncha stuff that costs millions. Until then,
we have press releases which are cheap but might inspire
a little money...

I'm not contributing any of my few pennies, but I hope
somebody does. The crater could have come north with
India or it could have been in the way when India arrived
or it may date to 253 million years and be a piece of the
Permian crater plucked off Antarctica and drug off by the
Indian Plate or it could be nothing much at all.

It is worth noting that it was almost exactly on the other
side, 180 degrees, from Chicxulub at the time. It may be
what planetologists call "chaotic terrain" and which is
formed by the shock wave of an impact directly on the
other side of a planet. (There's an example of that on
Mercury, a suspected example on Mars, and so forth.)
It's more likely that the Traps flow of lave was unleashed
by the Chicxulub impact.

Of course, on a planet with Earth's apparently unique
tectonics, there's lots of chaotic terrain from all kinds of
causes.


Sterling K. Webb
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <GeoZay at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Biggest Impact Crater Discovered


> It says the object that made the crater would be  about 25 miles in
> diameter...that seems to be way too large to end up with life 
> recovering like it
> did. It also suggested that it could have been the cause of  the 
> dinosaur
> extinction and then suggested it might have caused the Volcanic 
> Deccan traps?
> Weren't these two events a couple hundred million years  apart?
> GeoZay
>
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From romanj at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 16 19:09:43 2009
From: romanj at sympatico.ca (Roman Jirasek)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:09:43 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
References: <SNT117-W313CABEE286DC2363B2535D2C40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP518B726C329B8CC7D8B0DFA4C40@phx.gbl>

We were out there hunting on Monday with no luck, but will be there
again this weekend for another attempt.

Roman Jirasek
www.meteoritelabels.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Stanley" <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 2:22 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space




All:

Take a look. Looks like the real deal. A hammer!

Greg S.


http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932




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Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five
tiny meteorite fragments.

They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into their
Pathfinder three weeks ago.

"I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens
of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a meteorite
is going to crash-land on your car?"

The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite that lit
up the skies of southern Ontario
Sept. 25.

The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the University of
Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres above 
Guelph
as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres per hour.

Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a
12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby
where they thought the meteor fell.

Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family realize 
their car-bashing
vandal might instead be an alien invader.

"We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne,
who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for reporters to 
see
Friday.

After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil McCausland, an
astrophysicist at the University
 of Western Ontario, who
verified the tiny rocks were out of this world.

"They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are
every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting."

The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've agreed to
loan them to university researchers for three months.



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From whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 19:12:06 2009
From: whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com (Dave Myers)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:12:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Geo-fair, cincinnati, ohio
Message-ID: <985466.39680.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Do any of the meteorite dealers on here, attend the Gem-mineral show at the Cincinnati Gardens. It is being held May 1-2, of 2010 next year!

It is held by the Cincinnati mineral society, So if you have not and would like to show-up and sell, contact them...and come on down or up, or over,(lol)ect!

I would love to meet some of you!

Dave Myers


      



From roxfromspace at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 19:22:26 2009
From: roxfromspace at gmail.com (Phil Morgan)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:22:26 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashed into an SUV near Hamilton
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W23EFF2CA7E4B377E00D2F0D2C40@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT117-W23EFF2CA7E4B377E00D2F0D2C40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <70baf8d20910161622s290a7ebcu48f9d46797050a62@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody buy the windshield (or pull it out of the recycling/trash)
yet?  No export permit needed!

Phil

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here's another.
>
> Greg S.
>
> http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20091016/meteorite_suv_091016/20091016?hub=SciTech
>
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From Impactika at aol.com  Fri Oct 16 19:39:11 2009
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:39:11 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
Message-ID: <d44.56710d48.380a5e1f@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/16/2009 4:29:07 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
tbear1 at cableone.net writes:
Apparently, meteorites seek out cars much like tornadoes seek out trailer
parks. Are we onto something here?

Ted
--------------------------------------------------------

What color is that SUV?
Both the Peekskill and the Worden cars were red.
 
If this one is red too........ there will be a lot of red cars in the 
parking lot of the InnSuites in Tucson.


Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
http://www.imca.cc/


From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 16 19:47:33 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:47:33 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crashed into an SUV near Hamilton
Message-ID: <SNT117-W499380B8057F1CBA8F65AD2C40@phx.gbl>


Here's another.

Greg S.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20091016/meteorite_suv_091016/20091016?hub=SciTech
 		 	   		  
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 16 19:50:26 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:50:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 12-16, 2009
Message-ID: <200910162350.n9GNoQMg019438@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
October 12-16, 2009

o Dunes (12 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091012a

o Dunes (13 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091013a

o Proctor Crater Dunes (14 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091014a

o Proctor Crater Dunes (15 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091015a

o Russell Crater Dunes (16 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091016a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 





From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct 16 19:47:06 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 0:47:06 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
In-Reply-To: <1202451668-1255728928-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-154815777-@bda677.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20091017004706.3SHAO.801349.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

And Barwell, UK

Graham E UK

---- Matt Morgan <mail at mhmeteorites.com> wrote: 
> And Worden (Michigan).
> Matt
> ----------------------
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com>
> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:31:01 
> To: Greg Stanley<stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
> 
> Wow!  Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill (1992),  
> Getafe (1994)!
> 
> gary
> 
> On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > All:
> >
> > Take a look.  Looks like the real deal.  A hammer!
> >
> > Greg S.
> >
> >
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> >
> > Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five
> > tiny meteorite fragments.
> >
> > They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into  
> > their
> > Pathfinder three weeks ago.
> >
> > "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens
> > of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a  
> > meteorite
> > is going to crash-land on your car?"
> >
> > The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite  
> > that lit
> > up the skies of southern Ontario
> > Sept. 25.
> >
> > The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the  
> > University of
> > Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres  
> > above Guelph
> > as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres  
> > per hour.
> >
> > Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a
> > 12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby
> > where they thought the meteor fell.
> >
> > Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family  
> > realize their car-bashing
> > vandal might instead be an alien invader.
> >
> > "We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne,
> > who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for  
> > reporters to see
> > Friday.
> >
> > After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil  
> > McCausland, an
> > astrophysicist at the University
> > of Western Ontario, who
> > verified the tiny rocks were out of this world.
> >
> > "They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are
> > every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting."
> >
> > The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've  
> > agreed to
> > loan them to university researchers for three months.
> >
> >
> > 		 	   		
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 16 20:02:06 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:02:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update: October 9-14, 2009
Message-ID: <200910170002.n9H026fb021594@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE:  In X-Band Fault Mode - sols 2050-2055, 
Oct. 09-14, 2009:

Spirit is still in X-band fault mode due to a high-gain antenna (HGA)
dynamic brake anomaly that first occurred back on Sol 2027 (Sept. 15,
2009) and has re-occurred most recently on Sol 2052 (Oct. 11, 2009).
With the HGA fault, all X-band uplinks use the low-gain antenna (LGA)
and uplink bandwidth is limited.

Spirit was to be back under normal HGA operation on Sol 2054 (Oct. 13,
2009). However, a Deep Space Network (DSN) station outage at the last
minute, with no alternative station available, prevented the
HGA-recovery uplink from getting to Spirit. Spirit will be under runout
sols, and the next planned uplink will be on Sol 2057 (Oct. 16, 2009).
So the Sol 2057 plan is to clear the X-band and HGA faults and change
the communication behavior manager (CBM) back to X-band nominal. The HGA
dynamic brake status has been masked already in flight software.

Spirit is otherwise in good health (power positive, thermally stable and
communicative over LGA and UHF) conducting limited remote sensing
science in the runout sols. The Moessbauer (MB) spectrometer is
positioned on a surface target and will resume an extended integration
on Sol 2057 (Oct. 16, 2009).

As of Sol 2054 (Oct. 13, 2009), Spirit's solar array energy production
was 427 watt-hours with an atmospheric opacity (tau) of 0.605. The dust
factor is 0.6075, meaning that about 61 percent of the sunlight hitting
the solar array is penetrating through the dust on the array.

Total odometry as of Sol 2055 (Oct. 14, 2009): 7,729.97 meters (4.80
miles).

------------------------------------------------------------------------

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE:  Finished with 'Shelter Island' - sols 2029-2035,
Oct. 08-15, 2009:

Opportunity completed its survey of the meteorite called "Shelter Island".

On Sol 2029 (Oct. 8, 2009), the rover completed the in-situ (contact)
science campaign on the meteorite's surface with a microscopic imager
(MI) mosaic and an alpha particle X-ray spectrometer (APXS) placement
for integration. On Sol 2031 (Oct. 10, 2009), the robotic arm
(instrument deployment device, or IDD) was lifted from the meteorite and
some final documentary images were collected by the panoramic camera
(Pancam). On Sol 2032 (Oct. 11, 2009), the rover performed a 10-meter
(33-foot) circumnavigation of the meteorite to image and document the
backside.

On Sol 2034 (Oct. 14, 2009), Opportunity left "Shelter Island" and
headed northwest driving 64 meters (210 feet) backwards toward another
large rock (more than half a meter or 1.5 feet). With that drive,
Opportunity crossed the 18 kilometer mark in total odometry. Motor
currents in the right-front wheel continue to remain well behaved.

As of Sol 2035 (Oct. 15, 2009), Opportunity's solar array energy
production was 446 watt-hours, with an atmospheric opacity (tau) of
0.591 and a dust factor of 0.562.

Total odometry as of Sol 2034 (Oct. 14, 2009): 18,036.06 meters (11.21
miles).




From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 16 21:35:28 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:35:28 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
References: <C6FE37F2.E93D%tbear1@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <FD5DF7B4934A48B88C5781A8B7CBD970@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, Ted, Greg, Gary, List,

> Are we onto something here?

    Well, yes, we are. One data point we'd really
like to have is how many meteorites fall yer year,
the annual flux. To determine it, all we have to do
is to stake out a patch of perfectly cleared planet
and recover and count all the meteorites that fall
there for several centuries or millennia.

    Not so convenient, though... Since the fall of
meteorites is a random process, the total area of
the "sampling patch" does not have to be contiguous.
It can be many millions of smaller patches scattered
all over the planet. You can even move them around
randomly -- doesn't affect the accuracy of the final
calculation of the "impact cross-section of the Earth."

    That "sampling patch" is CARS (and trucks, and
other vehicles). We can get a good idea of the number
of them year by year. We can closely estimate the mean
geometric cross-section of the targets. And the "lossiness"
of the experimental data is reduced by the fact that
people tend to notice when their shiny pickup truck is
holed by a meteorite!

    I did all that sophisticated arithmetic ten years ago
and published a paper with the results, exclusively to
this List (which is why nobody's heard of it). The figure
widely published back them was the MORP rate of
25,530 falls per year, although Zolenski and Wells
argued in 1988 that it could be much higher:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1990amss.work...91Z

    The fall rate that I calculated from this method was
approximately 78,000 falls per yesr with a possible error
of 25,000 either way. So few cars get hit. Rob Matson
chimed in that his personal estimate was a minimum
of 80,000 per annum. From that rate, I predicted (in1
Dec., 1999) that there would be at least one car hit in
the decade 2000-2009 and a better-than-50% chance
it would be two.

    It seems to be two (and just in time).

    That was Novemeber or December of 1999, and as we
close out 2009, Grimsby appears to be the second (Worden
in 2002 was the first). Getafe (mentioned earlier) is classed
politely as a pseudometeorite. I allowed for the increase in
the number of cars in time, based on the 1990's sales rate
increases.
.
    I thought that this idea of mine was, as they say,
"methodologically sweet." I was unreasonably proud of
being so clever until I discovered this paper by Ben Hur
Wilson, entitled "A method of estimating the absolute
number of meteorites," published in 1940 in the old
POPULAR ASTRONOMY, Vol. 48 (p. 366):
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1940PA.....48..366W
which contains the essence of the method. A new
idea is hard to come by.

    However, Wilson based his numbers on observed falls
in specific areas which, in 1940, was scanty data. He
concluded there were 250 falls per year for the entire
planet!

    Nininger disagreed violently with this; he thought
there were 500 meteorite falls per year (between 1 gram
and 1 kilogram), perhaps as many as 1,000 and cited
some of his own statistics from Kansas finds.

    It seems that the more data we get, the faster they fall.


Sterling K. Webb
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ted Bunch" <tbear1 at cableone.net>
To: "Gary Fujihara" <fujmon at mac.com>; "Greg Stanley" 
<stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from 
space


> Apparently, meteorites seek out cars much like tornadoes seek out 
> trailer
> parks. Are we onto something here?
>
> Ted
>
>
> On 10/16/09 11:31 AM, "Gary Fujihara" <fujmon at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow!  Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill 
>> (1992),
>> Getafe (1994)!
>>
>> gary
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Take a look.  Looks like the real deal.  A hammer!
>>>
>>> Greg S.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <!--
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>>> div.Section1
>>> {page:Section1;}
>>> -->
>>>
>>>
>>> Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five
>>> tiny meteorite fragments.
>>>
>>> They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into
>>> their
>>> Pathfinder three weeks ago.
>>>
>>> "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens
>>> of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a
>>> meteorite
>>> is going to crash-land on your car?"
>>>
>>> The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite
>>> that lit
>>> up the skies of southern Ontario
>>> Sept. 25.
>>>
>>> The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the
>>> University of
>>> Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres
>>> above Guelph
>>> as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres
>>> per hour.
>>>
>>> Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a
>>> 12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby
>>> where they thought the meteor fell.
>>>
>>> Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family
>>> realize their car-bashing
>>> vandal might instead be an alien invader.
>>>
>>> "We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne,
>>> who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for
>>> reporters to see
>>> Friday.
>>>
>>> After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil
>>> McCausland, an
>>> astrophysicist at the University
>>> of Western Ontario, who
>>> verified the tiny rocks were out of this world.
>>>
>>> "They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are
>>> every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting."
>>>
>>> The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've
>>> agreed to
>>> loan them to university researchers for three months.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>> Gary Fujihara
>> AstroDay Institute
>> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
>> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
>> http://astroday.net
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Fri Oct 16 23:38:30 2009
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:38:30 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from  space
In-Reply-To: <FD5DF7B4934A48B88C5781A8B7CBD970@ATARIENGINE2>
References: <C6FE37F2.E93D%tbear1@cableone.net>
	<FD5DF7B4934A48B88C5781A8B7CBD970@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <OFDE81ECC6.36478EFA-ON85257652.00140C0A@usgs.gov>

Sterling's calculation was on 12/9/2000. I think I pointed out back 
then that the calculation he did is not for the total number of falls 
per year... it is the total number of stones that fall per year.  At 
least that is what it seems to me.  I'm not sure what the average 
number of stones per fall is, but it must be >10 (Holbrook alone 
brings the average to over 10 even if all the other known falls had 
only 1).  So I'd like to challenge him to recalculate the number of 
falls with this in mind.

Jeff


At 09:35 PM 10/16/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
>Hi, Ted, Greg, Gary, List,
>
>>Are we onto something here?
>
>    Well, yes, we are. One data point we'd really
>like to have is how many meteorites fall yer year,
>the annual flux. To determine it, all we have to do
>is to stake out a patch of perfectly cleared planet
>and recover and count all the meteorites that fall
>there for several centuries or millennia.
>
>    Not so convenient, though... Since the fall of
>meteorites is a random process, the total area of
>the "sampling patch" does not have to be contiguous.
>It can be many millions of smaller patches scattered
>all over the planet. You can even move them around
>randomly -- doesn't affect the accuracy of the final
>calculation of the "impact cross-section of the Earth."
>
>    That "sampling patch" is CARS (and trucks, and
>other vehicles). We can get a good idea of the number
>of them year by year. We can closely estimate the mean
>geometric cross-section of the targets. And the "lossiness"
>of the experimental data is reduced by the fact that
>people tend to notice when their shiny pickup truck is
>holed by a meteorite!
>
>    I did all that sophisticated arithmetic ten years ago
>and published a paper with the results, exclusively to
>this List (which is why nobody's heard of it). The figure
>widely published back them was the MORP rate of
>25,530 falls per year, although Zolenski and Wells
>argued in 1988 that it could be much higher:
>http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1990amss.work...91Z
>
>    The fall rate that I calculated from this method was
>approximately 78,000 falls per yesr with a possible error
>of 25,000 either way. So few cars get hit. Rob Matson
>chimed in that his personal estimate was a minimum
>of 80,000 per annum. From that rate, I predicted (in1
>Dec., 1999) that there would be at least one car hit in
>the decade 2000-2009 and a better-than-50% chance
>it would be two.
>
>    It seems to be two (and just in time).
>
>    That was Novemeber or December of 1999, and as we
>close out 2009, Grimsby appears to be the second (Worden
>in 2002 was the first). Getafe (mentioned earlier) is classed
>politely as a pseudometeorite. I allowed for the increase in
>the number of cars in time, based on the 1990's sales rate
>increases.
>.
>    I thought that this idea of mine was, as they say,
>"methodologically sweet." I was unreasonably proud of
>being so clever until I discovered this paper by Ben Hur
>Wilson, entitled "A method of estimating the absolute
>number of meteorites," published in 1940 in the old
>POPULAR ASTRONOMY, Vol. 48 (p. 366):
>http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1940PA.....48..366W
>which contains the essence of the method. A new
>idea is hard to come by.
>
>    However, Wilson based his numbers on observed falls
>in specific areas which, in 1940, was scanty data. He
>concluded there were 250 falls per year for the entire
>planet!
>
>    Nininger disagreed violently with this; he thought
>there were 500 meteorite falls per year (between 1 gram
>and 1 kilogram), perhaps as many as 1,000 and cited
>some of his own statistics from Kansas finds.
>
>    It seems that the more data we get, the faster they fall.
>
>
>Sterling K. Webb
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Bunch" <tbear1 at cableone.net>
>To: "Gary Fujihara" <fujmon at mac.com>; "Greg Stanley" 
><stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:47 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
>
>
>>Apparently, meteorites seek out cars much like tornadoes seek out trailer
>>parks. Are we onto something here?
>>
>>Ted
>>
>>
>>On 10/16/09 11:31 AM, "Gary Fujihara" <fujmon at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Wow!  Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill (1992),
>>>Getafe (1994)!
>>>
>>>gary
>>>
>>>On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>All:
>>>>
>>>>Take a look.  Looks like the real deal.  A hammer!
>>>>
>>>>Greg S.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><!--
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>>>>@page Section1
>>>>{size:8.5in 11.0in;
>>>>margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;
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>>>>div.Section1
>>>>{page:Section1;}
>>>>-->
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five
>>>>tiny meteorite fragments.
>>>>
>>>>They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into
>>>>their
>>>>Pathfinder three weeks ago.
>>>>
>>>>"I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens
>>>>of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a
>>>>meteorite
>>>>is going to crash-land on your car?"
>>>>
>>>>The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite
>>>>that lit
>>>>up the skies of southern Ontario
>>>>Sept. 25.
>>>>
>>>>The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the
>>>>University of
>>>>Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres
>>>>above Guelph
>>>>as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres
>>>>per hour.
>>>>
>>>>Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a
>>>>12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby
>>>>where they thought the meteor fell.
>>>>
>>>>Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family
>>>>realize their car-bashing
>>>>vandal might instead be an alien invader.
>>>>
>>>>"We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne,
>>>>who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for
>>>>reporters to see
>>>>Friday.
>>>>
>>>>After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil
>>>>McCausland, an
>>>>astrophysicist at the University
>>>>of Western Ontario, who
>>>>verified the tiny rocks were out of this world.
>>>>
>>>>"They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are
>>>>every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting."
>>>>
>>>>The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've
>>>>agreed to
>>>>loan them to university researchers for three months.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_________________________________________________________________
>>>>Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
>>>>http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
>>>>______________________________________________
>>>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>>>Meteorite-list mailing list
>>>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>>Gary Fujihara
>>>AstroDay Institute
>>>105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
>>>(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
>>>http://astroday.net
>>>
>>>______________________________________________
>>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>>Meteorite-list mailing list
>>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>>
>>______________________________________________
>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>Meteorite-list mailing list
>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
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Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
954 National Center
Reston, VA 20192, USA




From rmforall at comcast.net  Sat Oct 17 00:15:12 2009
From: rmforall at comcast.net (Rich Murray)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:15:12 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Feedback: try this specific crater "R5"
	inArgentina: Darren Garrison: Rich Murray 2009.10.15
In-Reply-To: <q84hd5p9g5j23c0967hcth09jo6500q77p@4ax.com>
References: <287658.64765.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><B0CE24B031604D43BD88A5067D5CB9B7@ownerPC><fl1gd5pnprtqp0hjd6l4f9oie4eammb5mk@4ax.com><ECEEF4974F314DC4AA1344D55032B5B2@ownerPC>
	<q84hd5p9g5j23c0967hcth09jo6500q77p@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <4D555F0338D54DE58265AC99ACDC594F@ownerPC>

Hi Darren,

I happened to have spent a lot of time
last Saturday Oct. 10
on calculating the kinetic energy density
of a 10-km wide ice comet at 5 km/sec
with density 1.1000 kg per cubic meter
(which includes 0.100 kg per cubic meter for any dissolved solids).

http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects/
Earth Impact Effects Program

I got the same number as their program, for a vertical impact.

"Energy before atmospheric entry:
7.20 x 10E21 Joules = 1.72 x 10E6 MegaTons TNT"

The total mass turns out to be 5.76x10E14 kg,
so the energy density is 1.25x10E7 J/kg

One MT is 4.2x10E15 J, so this becomes 3x10E-9 MT/kg,
which is 3x10E-3 tons TNT,
so for 1 ton = about 1000 kg, we get
1 kg TNT per kg comet

So, this is enough to vaporize the ice,
separating all the molecules,
making a high-pressure, high-temperature steam explosion
that would disrupt the surface of the rock impacted,
with cracking, blasting, melting, and vaporizing.

Smashing up water or ice into visible fragments
only takes enough energy to separate the  molecules
at the boundaries of the connecting surfaces of the
fragments -- so far less energy,
even with a dramatic shattering of the meteor and the target.

"Transient Crater Diameter: 29.9 km = 18.6 miles
Transient Crater Depth: 10.6 km = 6.56 miles

Final Crater Diameter: 46.7 km = 29 miles
Final Crater Depth: 0.941 km = 0.585 miles

The crater formed is a complex crater.
At this impact velocity (< 12 km/s),
little shock melting of the target occurs.
[ Note: "little shock melting" ]

Ejecta:  What does this mean?
Your position [ 10 km from the center ]
was inside the transient crater and ejected upon impact"

Just to make a simple estimate,
I imagined the meteor had 6 stages
of breakup, making 10 more fragments at each state,
so the total number of fragments would be 10E6 = 1,000,000
so each fragment at the same speed would carry energy
1.72 MT per fragment.

If they hit the whole surface of Earth evenly, then
the area of Earth = 5.1x10E8 per square kilometer
would get impact energy 3.3x10E-3 MT
on each square kilometer
= 3.3x10E KT, about 24.4% of the Hiroshima bomb,
which was about 13.5 KT.

So, every area of four square kilometers would get
one Hiroshima bomb of energy -- radiated into space,
heated air during the fall, radiant heat on the Earth,
and local blast effects.

Complex problems = how many big ice fragments?
Distribution of sizes, velocities, locations, angles of
inpact, global and orbital trajectories?
Ice, water, and superhot superdense steam objects or streams?
Air bursts and ground bursts?
Targets of water, ice, soil, rock, inflamable plants?

So, it is reasonable to go poking around all Earth land
surfaces with Google Map and Earth,
looking for complex fields of shallow impacts
with little melting or vaporization, but with
local water flows and some massive regional floods
from condensed steam, melted ice, rain,
new springs in shattered rock,
water ejecta from lakes and seas and damp soils,
tsunamis on coasts, along with widespread fires,
and mostly white minerals
(silicon dioxide, salt, calcium sulfate,
calcium carbonate, grey hematite, red iron
compounds, black manganese dioxide, and
perhaps boron compounds -- ie "Carolina Bays").

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg&feature=player_embedded

Thanks for the great 10 minute slow-motion bullet impact video.
Most of the time the long steel bullets would maintain their
integrity while passing through metal about 1-3 times their own
diameter thick, often with their surface peeled back like
a flower openning around the impact, while the target metal
would flow and splash as a liquid.
The holes were just a little wider than the bullet.

Oblique impacts produced a variety of features, like
ones I've seen often with Google Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emP5D9Klssg&NR=1

This 1 minute video shows when a bullet hits a
standing tomato capsup bottle, as much as about
a third of the explosion is backwards, compared
with the explosion forwards around the bullet.

I've often seen these backwards trenches on
low angle impacts, and assumed they were from
the gradually increasing degree of contact between
meteor and target surface.  Of course, the
forwards ejecta, or "pawprints", can be largely
one, two, or many lobes, sometimes, it appears,
with gradually slowing surface water flows,
which can result in ridges or low hills.

Often the one side or the other of the impact
is deeper -- might be from spin around the
forward velocity axis of the meteor.

Rich Murray 505-501-2298  rmforall at comcast.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Feedback: try this specific crater "R5" 
inArgentina: Darren Garrison: Rich Murray 2009.10.15


> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:46:59 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>Briefly, Carolina Bays (bays mean a particular type of tree in
>>North and South Carolina) are in the range 0.1 to 20 km,
>>probably ice or slushy comet fragment impacts at low
>>velocity ( 5 km/sec )
>
> 5 km/sec is anything but low velocity.  The fastest velocity listed on 
> this
> chart of military ammunitions is 4000 feet/sec (at 78 feet from the 
> muzzle, but
> initial velocity is probably not too far off from that) which is around 
> 1.2
> km/sec.  5 km/sec is 4 times faster than a speeding, armor piercing 
> bullet.  Any
> object traveling anywhere close to 5 km/sec (wherther composed of rock, 
> ice, or
> pure crystallized aspartame) is going to make what is known in technical 
> terms
> as a "giant-ass" explosion, excavating a deep, round crater.
>
> Here's an amazing bit of video that I've been itching for an excuse to 
> post:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg&feature=player_embedded
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 17 01:23:02 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:23:02 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from  space
References: <C6FE37F2.E93D%tbear1@cableone.net><FD5DF7B4934A48B88C5781A8B7CBD970@ATARIENGINE2>
	<OFDE81ECC6.36478EFA-ON85257652.00140C0A@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <2465D24C4DBC41259B5998024D307BAA@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, Jeff, List,

    No, my criterion was that one fall is defined as
having an origin in one meteoroid regardless of how
many fragmentation events occurred after entering
the atmosphere. This was the criterion of the MORP
study and since I wanted to compare a figure directly
with it, I tried to keep to that, i.e., Holbrook = one fall,
Pultusk = one fall.

    And when your target is as small as a vehicle, it's
not hard. No cases of one car hit by two meteorites,
and no cases of multiple cars hit by the same fall. I
couldn't even unearth any account of a building hit
by multiple stones.

    I discussed a number of possible target criteria:
vehicles, building, people, and gave figures for each.
The only place I wobbled was with the account of
44 people stuck in one fall in Mexico, but it turned
out to be a false report. In deriving the fall rate,
however, I decided that hits on buildings were too
likely to go undetected and that hits on people were
too incredibly rare to be useful, so I derived the fall
rate entirely from cars, all of which were cases where
there was no ambiguity.

    LOUISVILLE (1977) was a fall of four recovered stones
of which only one hit a car. ST. LOUIS (1950) was a fall of
one stone that hit a car. If 40 cars had been hit in Park
Forest, it would only be one fall. For example, I omitted
counting in the target area trucks, on the grounds that
trucks are too often the target of human-propelled stones
and that trucks are large enough and noisy enough to
reduce the likelihood of hit detection, whereas a car is
usually somebody's "baby."

    The only other method, I mentioned was hits on
ships, again a situation with too little data. What data
there was, was comparable to the figure derived from
cars. But a ship, larger than a truck by far, is even more
likely to be hit undetected.

    The high uncertainty derives from the paucity of the
data. The 78,000 figure could be as low as 52,000 or
as high as 100,000-plus. Phil Bland's many studies
which deal with recovered falls, weathering, and dating
of individual stones, have asserted a fall rate of 48,700
per year consistently, although he expresses it as 83
per 10^6 km^2. His method also depends crucially on
the geological survival ages of meteorites on those
surfaces being studied. (Personally, I think he over-
estimates that factor in the North Africa/Sahara case,
but that's a quibble.)
http://books.google.com/books?id=N-CLZhAXQzEC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=meteorite+fall+rate+Bland&source=bl&ots=vI-sAaoYMY&sig=_ByweAQzuF440sbasMrC20HB63c&hl=en&ei=BkzZSpqSFovg8QbHj_W2BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CA0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=meteorite%20fall%20rate%20Bland&f=false

    Personally, I feel that studies from recovered falls
suffer from a crucial deficit, namely that the numbers
have been pre-filtered by an unknown factor -- that of
recovery efficiency. Until every 10 square meters of
land in an area has been scrutinized with as much
attention as people notice the appearance of their 10
square meters of automobile, recovered fall studies
will report a lower-than-the-case result.

    The accuracy of the vehicle-as-target-area method
will undoubtedly increase during the century ahead,
as the number of vehicles increases, not only in the
US but around the world. I can hardly wait until China
has 150,000,000 cars! By 2109, there should be enough
hits to refine the fall rate by this method to less than
+/- 10% error.

    Of course, by then we'll have so many radars in orbit
that we can count them as they come, in-bound!


Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from 
space


> Sterling's calculation was on 12/9/2000. I think I pointed out back 
> then that the calculation he did is not for the total number of falls 
> per year... it is the total number of stones that fall per year.  At 
> least that is what it seems to me.  I'm not sure what the average 
> number of stones per fall is, but it must be >10 (Holbrook alone 
> brings the average to over 10 even if all the other known falls had 
> only 1).  So I'd like to challenge him to recalculate the number of 
> falls with this in mind.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> At 09:35 PM 10/16/2009, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
>>Hi, Ted, Greg, Gary, List,
>>
>>>Are we onto something here?
>>
>>    Well, yes, we are. One data point we'd really
>>like to have is how many meteorites fall yer year,
>>the annual flux. To determine it, all we have to do
>>is to stake out a patch of perfectly cleared planet
>>and recover and count all the meteorites that fall
>>there for several centuries or millennia.
>>
>>    Not so convenient, though... Since the fall of
>>meteorites is a random process, the total area of
>>the "sampling patch" does not have to be contiguous.
>>It can be many millions of smaller patches scattered
>>all over the planet. You can even move them around
>>randomly -- doesn't affect the accuracy of the final
>>calculation of the "impact cross-section of the Earth."
>>
>>    That "sampling patch" is CARS (and trucks, and
>>other vehicles). We can get a good idea of the number
>>of them year by year. We can closely estimate the mean
>>geometric cross-section of the targets. And the "lossiness"
>>of the experimental data is reduced by the fact that
>>people tend to notice when their shiny pickup truck is
>>holed by a meteorite!
>>
>>    I did all that sophisticated arithmetic ten years ago
>>and published a paper with the results, exclusively to
>>this List (which is why nobody's heard of it). The figure
>>widely published back them was the MORP rate of
>>25,530 falls per year, although Zolenski and Wells
>>argued in 1988 that it could be much higher:
>>http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1990amss.work...91Z
>>
>>    The fall rate that I calculated from this method was
>>approximately 78,000 falls per yesr with a possible error
>>of 25,000 either way. So few cars get hit. Rob Matson
>>chimed in that his personal estimate was a minimum
>>of 80,000 per annum. From that rate, I predicted (in1
>>Dec., 1999) that there would be at least one car hit in
>>the decade 2000-2009 and a better-than-50% chance
>>it would be two.
>>
>>    It seems to be two (and just in time).
>>
>>    That was Novemeber or December of 1999, and as we
>>close out 2009, Grimsby appears to be the second (Worden
>>in 2002 was the first). Getafe (mentioned earlier) is classed
>>politely as a pseudometeorite. I allowed for the increase in
>>the number of cars in time, based on the 1990's sales rate
>>increases.
>>.
>>    I thought that this idea of mine was, as they say,
>>"methodologically sweet." I was unreasonably proud of
>>being so clever until I discovered this paper by Ben Hur
>>Wilson, entitled "A method of estimating the absolute
>>number of meteorites," published in 1940 in the old
>>POPULAR ASTRONOMY, Vol. 48 (p. 366):
>>http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1940PA.....48..366W
>>which contains the essence of the method. A new
>>idea is hard to come by.
>>
>>    However, Wilson based his numbers on observed falls
>>in specific areas which, in 1940, was scanty data. He
>>concluded there were 250 falls per year for the entire
>>planet!
>>
>>    Nininger disagreed violently with this; he thought
>>there were 500 meteorite falls per year (between 1 gram
>>and 1 kilogram), perhaps as many as 1,000 and cited
>>some of his own statistics from Kansas finds.
>>
>>    It seems that the more data we get, the faster they fall.
>>
>>
>>Sterling K. Webb
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Bunch" <tbear1 at cableone.net>
>>To: "Gary Fujihara" <fujmon at mac.com>; "Greg Stanley" 
>><stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>>Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:47 PM
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from 
>>space
>>
>>
>>>Apparently, meteorites seek out cars much like tornadoes seek out 
>>>trailer
>>>parks. Are we onto something here?
>>>
>>>Ted
>>>
>>>
>>>On 10/16/09 11:31 AM, "Gary Fujihara" <fujmon at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Wow!  Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill 
>>>>(1992),
>>>>Getafe (1994)!
>>>>
>>>>gary
>>>>
>>>>On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>All:
>>>>>
>>>>>Take a look.  Looks like the real deal.  A hammer!
>>>>>
>>>>>Greg S.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five
>>>>>tiny meteorite fragments.
>>>>>
>>>>>They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into
>>>>>their
>>>>>Pathfinder three weeks ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>"I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens
>>>>>of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a
>>>>>meteorite
>>>>>is going to crash-land on your car?"
>>>>>
>>>>>The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite
>>>>>that lit
>>>>>up the skies of southern Ontario
>>>>>Sept. 25.
>>>>>
>>>>>The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the
>>>>>University of
>>>>>Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres
>>>>>above Guelph
>>>>>as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres
>>>>>per hour.
>>>>>
>>>>>Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a
>>>>>12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby
>>>>>where they thought the meteor fell.
>>>>>
>>>>>Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family
>>>>>realize their car-bashing
>>>>>vandal might instead be an alien invader.
>>>>>
>>>>>"We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne,
>>>>>who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for
>>>>>reporters to see
>>>>>Friday.
>>>>>
>>>>>After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil
>>>>>McCausland, an
>>>>>astrophysicist at the University
>>>>>of Western Ontario, who
>>>>>verified the tiny rocks were out of this world.
>>>>>
>>>>>"They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are
>>>>>every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting."
>>>>>
>>>>>The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've
>>>>>agreed to
>>>>>loan them to university researchers for three months.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>Gary Fujihara
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>>>>105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
>>>>(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
>>>>http://astroday.net
>>>>
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 01:44:54 2009
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:44:54 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Weight Info - Help Needed
Message-ID: <93aaac890910162244md9175f9v37ee18ec32d78874@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
I'm looking for information about Carancas - does anyone have any
remotely detailed information about the size distribution of fragments
found - or the weight of the largest specimen(s) recovered?
Thanks,
Jason


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 17 02:52:08 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:52:08 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Weight Info - Help Needed
References: <93aaac890910162244md9175f9v37ee18ec32d78874@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26AF5988D4BF415CABAFC61D5B30D7F6@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, Jason,

    I have a mountain of everything I could find
published in Spanish and English on Carancas,
and I can not find any scientific description that
mentions the largest mass recovered or any specific
mass. The Met Bul. DB
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=45817
uses the mass of the largest stone Mike Farmer
brought back, 342 gm of which he retains, it says,
320 gm.

    However there were multi-kilo stones mentioned
early on; it's just that they aren't documented. The
Bolivians scurried over the border very quickly,
even before the Peruvian INGEMMET team got
there, it seems. I did hear a mention of a 5.7 kg
stone. That would be a monster for a Carancas
stone.

    Carancas is very fragile. A fair amount of it (many,
many kilos) was distributed as a fine fluffy blue-gray
dust around the crater. Hence, as for the size
distribution, it's likely biased toward a large number
of smallish fragments (based on the ease with which
it disintegrates). If that is the case, it would be very
difficult to reliably estimate a total weight. Do you
count DUST as part of that? Particles under 100 mg?

    The total weight could easily be 100 kilos or more,
maybe a lot more. It's a very strange physical specimen.


Sterling K. Webb
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To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:44 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Weight Info - Help Needed


> Hello All,
> I'm looking for information about Carancas - does anyone have any
> remotely detailed information about the size distribution of fragments
> found - or the weight of the largest specimen(s) recovered?
> Thanks,
> Jason
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sat Oct 17 03:32:42 2009
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 8:32:42 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
In-Reply-To: <FD5DF7B4934A48B88C5781A8B7CBD970@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <20091017083242.ILSQG.986481.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Does this take into account how many cars are garaged at any time?!!!

Graham E, UK

---- "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
> Hi, Ted, Greg, Gary, List,
> 
> > Are we onto something here?
> 
>     Well, yes, we are. One data point we'd really
> like to have is how many meteorites fall yer year,
> the annual flux. To determine it, all we have to do
> is to stake out a patch of perfectly cleared planet
> and recover and count all the meteorites that fall
> there for several centuries or millennia.
> 
>     Not so convenient, though... Since the fall of
> meteorites is a random process, the total area of
> the "sampling patch" does not have to be contiguous.
> It can be many millions of smaller patches scattered
> all over the planet. You can even move them around
> randomly -- doesn't affect the accuracy of the final
> calculation of the "impact cross-section of the Earth."
> 
>     That "sampling patch" is CARS (and trucks, and
> other vehicles). We can get a good idea of the number
> of them year by year. We can closely estimate the mean
> geometric cross-section of the targets. And the "lossiness"
> of the experimental data is reduced by the fact that
> people tend to notice when their shiny pickup truck is
> holed by a meteorite!
> 
>     I did all that sophisticated arithmetic ten years ago
> and published a paper with the results, exclusively to
> this List (which is why nobody's heard of it). The figure
> widely published back them was the MORP rate of
> 25,530 falls per year, although Zolenski and Wells
> argued in 1988 that it could be much higher:
> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1990amss.work...91Z
> 
>     The fall rate that I calculated from this method was
> approximately 78,000 falls per yesr with a possible error
> of 25,000 either way. So few cars get hit. Rob Matson
> chimed in that his personal estimate was a minimum
> of 80,000 per annum. From that rate, I predicted (in1
> Dec., 1999) that there would be at least one car hit in
> the decade 2000-2009 and a better-than-50% chance
> it would be two.
> 
>     It seems to be two (and just in time).
> 
>     That was Novemeber or December of 1999, and as we
> close out 2009, Grimsby appears to be the second (Worden
> in 2002 was the first). Getafe (mentioned earlier) is classed
> politely as a pseudometeorite. I allowed for the increase in
> the number of cars in time, based on the 1990's sales rate
> increases.
> .
>     I thought that this idea of mine was, as they say,
> "methodologically sweet." I was unreasonably proud of
> being so clever until I discovered this paper by Ben Hur
> Wilson, entitled "A method of estimating the absolute
> number of meteorites," published in 1940 in the old
> POPULAR ASTRONOMY, Vol. 48 (p. 366):
> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1940PA.....48..366W
> which contains the essence of the method. A new
> idea is hard to come by.
> 
>     However, Wilson based his numbers on observed falls
> in specific areas which, in 1940, was scanty data. He
> concluded there were 250 falls per year for the entire
> planet!
> 
>     Nininger disagreed violently with this; he thought
> there were 500 meteorite falls per year (between 1 gram
> and 1 kilogram), perhaps as many as 1,000 and cited
> some of his own statistics from Kansas finds.
> 
>     It seems that the more data we get, the faster they fall.
> 
> 
> Sterling K. Webb
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ted Bunch" <tbear1 at cableone.net>
> To: "Gary Fujihara" <fujmon at mac.com>; "Greg Stanley" 
> <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from 
> space
> 
> 
> > Apparently, meteorites seek out cars much like tornadoes seek out 
> > trailer
> > parks. Are we onto something here?
> >
> > Ted
> >
> >
> > On 10/16/09 11:31 AM, "Gary Fujihara" <fujmon at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Wow!  Another car-smashing hammer like Bendl (1938), Peekskill 
> >> (1992),
> >> Getafe (1994)!
> >>
> >> gary
> >>
> >> On Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Greg Stanley wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> All:
> >>>
> >>> Take a look.  Looks like the real deal.  A hammer!
> >>>
> >>> Greg S.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://beta.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2133932
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <!--
> >>> /* Style Definitions */
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> >>> font-size:12.0pt;
> >>> font-family:"Times New Roman";
> >>> mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
> >>> p
> >>> {mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
> >>> margin-right:0in;
> >>> mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
> >>> margin-left:0in;
> >>> mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
> >>> font-size:12.0pt;
> >>> font-family:"Times New Roman";
> >>> mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
> >>> p.ajustify, li.ajustify, div.ajustify
> >>> {mso-style-name:ajustify;
> >>> mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
> >>> margin-right:0in;
> >>> mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
> >>> margin-left:0in;
> >>> mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
> >>> font-size:12.0pt;
> >>> font-family:"Times New Roman";
> >>> mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
> >>> @page Section1
> >>> {size:8.5in 11.0in;
> >>> margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;
> >>> mso-header-margin:.5in;
> >>> mso-footer-margin:.5in;
> >>> mso-paper-source:0;}
> >>> div.Section1
> >>> {page:Section1;}
> >>> -->
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yvonne and Tony Garchinski are the proud new owners of five
> >>> tiny meteorite fragments.
> >>>
> >>> They also have a new windshield, after the space rock smashed into
> >>> their
> >>> Pathfinder three weeks ago.
> >>>
> >>> "I thought it was vandalism, for sure," said Tony Friday as dozens
> >>> of reporters converged on his west Grismby home. "Who thinks a
> >>> meteorite
> >>> is going to crash-land on your car?"
> >>>
> >>> The golf ball-sized fragment is likely part of a larger meteorite
> >>> that lit
> >>> up the skies of southern Ontario
> >>> Sept. 25.
> >>>
> >>> The fireball was first picked up by cameras operated by the
> >>> University of
> >>> Western Ontario's physics and astronomy department 100 kilometres
> >>> above Guelph
> >>> as it streaked southeastward at a speed of about 75,000 kilometres
> >>> per hour.
> >>>
> >>> Scientists released that footage Oct. 7 and began searching a
> >>> 12-square-kilometre area near Grimsby
> >>> where they thought the meteor fell.
> >>>
> >>> Only after seeing the footage on television did the Grimsby family
> >>> realize their car-bashing
> >>> vandal might instead be an alien invader.
> >>>
> >>> "We filed a police report and everything," said a laughing Yvonne,
> >>> who held out the tiny silver and black space rock pieces for
> >>> reporters to see
> >>> Friday.
> >>>
> >>> After reading up on the meteorite search, Yvonne called Phil
> >>> McCausland, an
> >>> astrophysicist at the University
> >>> of Western Ontario, who
> >>> verified the tiny rocks were out of this world.
> >>>
> >>> "They're probably the oldest rocks that you or I or anyone else are
> >>> every going to hold," McCausland said. "it's pretty exciting."
> >>>
> >>> The Garchinskis own the window-smashing space pebbles, but they've
> >>> agreed to
> >>> loan them to university researchers for three months.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Sat Oct 17 03:56:51 2009
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:56:51 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
In-Reply-To: <d44.56710d48.380a5e1f@aol.com>
References: <d44.56710d48.380a5e1f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC1D168535FD2B-1824-DCAE@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com>

Anne wrote:
"If this one is red too........ there will be a lot of red cars in the
parking lot of the InnSuites in Tucson."

Hi Anne, Did one of the Park Forest stones hit a red Jeep? Alas, the 
Neagari meteorite hit a white Subaru in Japan in 1995. Since Subaru 
means "Pleiades" in Japonesse; that might come into play*? Then there 
was the Benld fall which hit a 1928 Pontaic. I think that car was 
black, even if by then "you could get any color you want as long as it 
was black" was no longer the mantra.

Sterling here's where you can see that the Getafe thing that beamed the 
Beamer in Spain was shown conclusively to be some slag:
http://tierra.rediris.es/merge/getafe.html I don't think it is exactly 
politeness as opposed to snobbery that has it classed as a 
pseudmeteorite. When dealing with BMW's, pseudometeorite is apparently 
the scientifically correct term; but when dealing with old Chevy trucks 
like my own, folks seem to be more inclined to call it "slag" or some 
other 4-letter s-word. The best car smacker of course was Peekskill due 
to its good taste in cars ... old CHEVY cars! No Fords have ever been 
hit ... huh? well, have they??? Ford/Mercury Meteors don't count, 
neither did their Comet. Those were just wishful thinking:-)

I'm not sure we've heard the end of the car calculation yet, but, 
statistically, there's gotta be a few meteorites that have hit trucks 
that no one has reported. Hits on a ship or two have even been 
reported, right? (I'm thinking but not proofing this - Honolulu and 
Russia come to mind)? The effective area*fraction of time exposed to 
the sky seems trucks would give passenger cars a run for their money. 
Maybe the heads of truck repair centers around the country ought to be 
worked on to look for meteorite damage.
Ducking from peeved Ford fans and with Best wishes,
Doug
*This really, really begs to have a Mayan connection, but that's 
another thread ...


-----Original Message-----
From: Impactika at aol.com
To: tbear1 at cableone.net
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2009 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from 
space



In a message dated 10/16/2009 4:29:07 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
tbear1 at cableone.net writes:
Apparently, meteorites seek out cars much like tornadoes seek out 
trailer
parks. Are we onto something here?

Ted
--------------------------------------------------------

What color is that SUV?
Both the Peekskill and the Worden cars were red.

If this one is red too........ there will be a lot of red cars in the
parking lot of the InnSuites in Tucson.


Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
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From fujmon at mac.com  Sat Oct 17 05:36:18 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:36:18 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay Happy Birthday Bassi Sale
Message-ID: <B5027CD4-4E46-4168-89B8-6A565159DBD8@mac.com>

In celebration of the Bassikounou meteorite fall in Mauritania this  
week in 2006, I have a perfect Bassi up for auction ending in 6 hours  
today, October 17 at 8:59 PDT.  Here?s my lineup for this week?s  
offerings:

NWA x  23.55g thumbprinted beauty
NWA x  9.61g oriented with rollover lipping
Bassikounou H5,  3.77g  100% fresh FC
Chergach H5,  18.16g  90% fresh FC
Gao-Guenie H5,  14.15g perfect 2-stone lot
Allende CV3,  2.22g crusted individual
NWA x CV3,  12.35g complete individual
Camel Donga Euc,  4.3g flowlined beauty
NWA x Pal,  11.6g polished endcut
NWA x Possible Dio,  10.4g slice VESICLES
Olivine Bomb, 76.3g Awesome mantle xenolith

http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

Have a great weekend everybody!  Good luck to all the hunters in the  
field.

Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From cojack at tiscali.it  Sat Oct 17 05:35:41 2009
From: cojack at tiscali.it (Francesco Moser)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:35:41 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite fall video
References: <d9cd52f10910121913o6ed0880ar8878922a0e0e9284@mail.gmail.com>
	<613728917.132288.1255429878483.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxltgw14.schlund.de>
Message-ID: <BAFC534D9089403D974A45DB4678CF84@fisso>

Hello!
Could someone indicate me some web site with a collection of video about 
bright fireballs?
I know that on YouTube there are a lot of video, but the quality is not so 
high :(

There also some audio file with the sound of the fall of a meteorite?
I remember the sound of the bovedy meteorite on the web site of Rob 
Elliot...something more?

Thanks a lot!

<>X<>X<>X<>X<>
Francesco Moser
IMCA #1510


 



From bristolia at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 08:53:54 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:53:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?utf-8?q?Paleogeographic_maps_for_=E2=80=9CWorl?=
 =?utf-8?b?ZCdzIEJpZ2dlc3QgSW1wYWN0IENyYXRlcuKAnSAoPz8p?=
Message-ID: <160451.95451.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In ?World's Biggest Impact Crater Discovered?, 
(http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2009-October/057458.html ),

Carl wrote:

?Does anyone have a website of the various maps 
of the world millions of years ago? Would come 
in handy and give things a little more perspective, 
I think. Where was India 65 m.y. ago?? 

The maps that you are looking for can be found in 

Wandrey, C. F., 1998, Bombay Geologic Province Eocene 
to Miocene Composite Total Petroleum System, India.
United States Geological Survey Professional Paper
no. 2208-F

The PDF file of this publication can be found at:

http://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/2208/F/
http://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/2208/F/intro.html 
http://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/2208/F/b2208-f.pdf

A few of many other pertinent references:

Basu, D. N., A. Banerjee, and D. M. Tamhane, 1980. Source
areas and migration trends of oil and gas in Bombay offshore 
basin, India. Bulletin of American Association of Petroleum 
Geologists. vol 64, no. 2, pp. 209-220.

Bhandari, L. L., and S. K. Jain, 1984, Reservoir Geology and 
its role in the Development of the Bombay High Field, India.
Journal of Petroleum Geology. vol.7, no.1, pp. 27-46.

Gombos, A. M., Jr., W. G. Powell and I. O. Norton, 1995, The 
tectonic evolution of western India and its impact on 
hydrocarbon occurrences: an overview. Sedimentary Geology. 
vol. 96, no. 1-2, pp. 119-129.

Mohan, M., 1985, Geohistory analysis of Bombay High region. 
[Histoire g?ologique de la haute r?gion de Bombay.] Marine and 
Petroleum Geology. vol. 2, no. 4, pp. 350-360.

Naini B. R. , and M. Talwani, 1983, Structural framework and 
the evolution history of the continental margin of western India. In
Studies in Continental Margin Geology, J. S. Watkins and C. L. 
Drake, eds., pp. 167-191.  Memoir no. 34. American Association 
Petroleum Geologists, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Subba Raju, L. V., K. A. K. Raju, V. Subrahmanyam, and D. G. 
Rao, 1990, Regional Gravity and Magnetic Studies over the
Continental Margin of the Central West Coast of India.
Geo-Marine Letters. vol. 10, no. 1, pp. 31-36.

Rao, R. P. and S. N. Talukdar, 1980. Petroleum geology of 
Bombay High Field, India. In Giant Oil Fields of the Decade, 
1968-1978, M. T. Halbouty, ed., pp. 487-506, Memoir no. 30.
American Association of Petroleum Geologists, Tulsas, 
Oklahoma.

Ramaswamy, G., and K. L. M. Rao, 1980, Geology of the 
continental shelf of the west of India, In Facts and Principles 
of World Petroleum Occurrences, A. D. Miall, ed., pp. 801-821.
Canadian Society Petroleum Geologists, Memoir no. 6.

Rathore, S. S, A. R. Vijan, M. P. Singh, B. N. Prabhu 
and A. Sahu, 2004, Isotopic evidence of middle proterozoic 
magmatism from bombay high field: Implications to crustal 
evolution of western offshore of India. Journal of Earth 
System Science. vol. 113, no. 1, pp. 27-36.

The Geological Society of America 2009 Annual Meeting 
talk that this discussion refers to is:

Chatterjee, S., and N. M. Mehrotta, 2009, Significance of the 
Contemporaneous Shiva Impact Structure and Deccan Volcanism 
at the KT Boundary. Geological Society of America Abstracts 
with Programs. vol. 41, no. 7, pp. 160, 

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2009AM/finalprogram/abstract_160197.htm

It is part of ?Paleontology: Extinction & Turnover? at

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2009AM/finalprogram/session_25248.htm

Yours

Paul H.


      


From bristolia at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 10:21:48 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:21:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?utf-8?q?Additional_Material_Related_to__?=
 =?utf-8?b?4oCcV29ybGQncyBCaWdnZXN0IEltcGFjdCBDcmF0ZXLigJ0gKD8/KSBJbmRp?=
 =?utf-8?q?a?=
Message-ID: <921629.27970.qm@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dr. Chatterjee explains the Seychelles-India break-up as the result
of a massive extraterrestrial impact in:

Chatterjee, S., and N. M. Mehrotta, 2009, Significance of the
Contemporaneous Shiva Impact Structure and Deccan Volcanism
at the KT Boundary. Geological Society of America Abstracts
with Programs. vol. 41, no. 7, pp. 160.

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2009AM/finalprogram/abstract_160197.htm 

The explanation for the Seychelles-India break-up as argued by the
majority of geologists is given in "Age of Seychelles-India break-up" at

http://www.mantleplumes.org/Seychelles.html and in:

Collier, J. S., V. Sansom, O. Ishizuka, R. N. Taylor, T.A. Minshull 
and? R. B. Whitmarsh, 2008, Age of Seychelles?India break-up, 
Earth and Planetary Science Letters. vol.? 272, no. 1-2, pp. 264-277

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.epsl.2008.04.045

Both the web page and paper have a list of other papers about 
pertaining to the geology of the structure, which Chatterjee argues
to have been created by an asteroid impact.

There is a PDF file of a nonpneer-reviewed paper that discusses h
Chatterjee's hypthesis in greater length. It is:

Chatterjee, S., N. Guven, A. Yoshinobu, and P. Donofrio, 2006, Shiva
Structure: a possible KT boundary impact crater on the western shelf
of India.Special Publications, Museum Texas Tech University. no. 20.

http://www.depts.ttu.edu/gesc/Fac_pages/Yoshinobu/Published_pdfs
/Chatterjee%20et%20al.%202006.pdf

Yours,

Paul H.








      


From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Oct 17 12:47:41 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:47:41 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
In-Reply-To: <20091017083242.ILSQG.986481.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <FD5DF7B4934A48B88C5781A8B7CBD970@ATARIENGINE2>
	<20091017083242.ILSQG.986481.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <q7tjd5hk50vor2h11hi8fibpkev0b97env@4ax.com>

Another one has been found:

http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/655154


From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 12:51:22 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:51:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] screaming deal!!!!!!    screaming deal!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <709796.49840.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.What a morning it has been already.I am getting a 17 gram complete individual of CHIANG KAHN.$700?walk out of the?store price.$40 a gram.I here?it is going for over $100 to $200 a gram.Hey martin remember this piece???A screaming deal I have to say.Have a great day all.4 months and going strong on my new job.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 


From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 17 13:21:15 2009
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:21:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
Message-ID: <15127314.1255800075701.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The Grimsby Hammer publicity.

Does anyone think that publicity that includes speculations on the monetary value of meteorites is good for those of us who collect, trade, or study meteorites? (notice I left out sell). 

At least this article was written by a reporter who did not sensationalize the find. Mentioning that the type was probably quite common and that meteorites could range from a few dollars to thousands was refreshing. 

My point is that once it becomes apparent, through the mass media, to politicians and governing bodies, that we are making money finding and selling meteorites they instinctively move to put the fetters on. Government hates to see a commodity uncontrolled and untaxed. They don't give a damn about their scientific value. That's just lip service. Somebody picking up a rock in Australia, or Canada, or Africa just makes government minions grit their teeth. They don't want anyone...not even their own constituents, to make a buck without baksheesh to the state.

Look what has happened in just the last few years. Everywhere finds have been publicized, the state has moved quickly to pass laws so that they can control the possession of meteorites.

Publicity and avaracious politicians will bring the end to this List. No publicity is good publicity.

Best to all...good hunting,

Count Deiro  

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>Sent: Oct 17, 2009 12:47 PM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
>
>Another one has been found:
>
>http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/655154
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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 17 15:50:03 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?utf-8?q?More_References_About_Geology_of_?=
 =?utf-8?b?4oCcV29ybGQncyBCaWdnZXN0IEltcGFjdCBDcmF0ZXLigJ0gKD8/KSBSZWdp?=
 =?utf-8?q?on?=
Message-ID: <346900.2884.qm@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In addition to papers list at:
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2009-October/057487.html and
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2009-October/057488.html
there many more references about the geology of the Bombay High 
region of the western Indian continental shelf where the so-called
?World's Biggest Impact Crater? / "Shiva impact crater" lies to 
be found.

They include:

Biswas S K 1982 Rift basins in the western margin of India
and their hydrocarbon prospects; American Association of
Petroleum Geologists Bulletin. vol. 66, no. 10, pp. 1497-1513.

Biswas S K 1987 Regional tectonic framework, structure and 
evolution of the western margin basins of India.Tectonophysics, 
vol. 135, issue 4, pp. 307-327

Biswas, S. K., M. K. Rangaraju, J. Thomas, and S. K. Bhattacharya, 
1994, Cambay- Hazad(!) Petroleum System in the South Cambay Basin, 
India: Chapter 37: Part VI. Case Studies--Eastern Hemisphere. 
In L. B. Magoon and W. G. Dow, eds., pp. 615-624. Memoir 60, 
American Association of Petroleum Geologists, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Duncan, R.A., 1990, The volcanic record of the Reunion 
Hotspot, Proceedings of the ODP, Sciences Results. vol 115, 
pp. 3?9.

http://www-odp.tamu.edu/publications/115_SR/VOLUME/CHAPTERS/sr115_01.pdf

The above publications shows paleogeographic reconstructions.

Sharma, K. K., 2007, "Cretaceous-Tertiary Tectono-Magmatism 
in the NW Indian shield: A fragmenting continent."

http://www.mantleplumes.org/NWIndia.html
http://www.mantleplumes.org/WebpagePDFs/NWIndia.pdf

Todal, A., and O. Edholm, 1998, ontinental margin off Western 
India and Deccan Large Igneous Province. Marine Geophysical 
Researches. vol. 20, no. 4, pp. 273-291

http://www.springerlink.com/content/g7l126p314673055/

There are a huge number of references listed at the above URL.

The unborken URL to:

Chatterjee, S., N. Guven, A. Yoshinobu, and P. Donofrio, 
2006, Shiva Structure: a possible KT boundary impact 
crater on the western shelf of India.Special Publications, 
Museum Texas Tech University. no. 50. is:

http://www.depts.ttu.edu/gesc/Fac_pages/Yoshinobu/Published_pdfs/Chatterjee%20et%20al.%202006.pdf

The link to it can be found on Dr. 's publications page at:

http://www.depts.ttu.edu/gesc/Fac_pages/Yoshinobu/Yosh_publications.html

Yours,

Paul H.




      


From moritzkarl at t-online.de  Sat Oct 17 18:26:08 2009
From: moritzkarl at t-online.de (Moritz Karl)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:26:08 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending sunday
Message-ID: <000901ca4f78$d2fb39f0$78f1add0$@de>

Dear List members,

I have 29 auctions ending on Sunday in approx. 20 hours.
All auctions are still at bargain prices and include some spectacular
specimens.
There are pallasites, historical meteorites, a lunar slice and many more
meteorites up for grabs.

Some highlights:

- Ahumada
- Allegan
- Appley Bridge
- Bells
- Boriskino
- Cape York
- Esquel
- Gibeon sphere
- Kingston
- L'Aigle
- Murchison
- Orgueil
- Tieschitz

And many more auctions. All auctions are without reserve and most of them
were started at $1.49.
See them all here:

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/mos-meteorites__W0QQ_armrsZ1

Or you can see all items through my website:

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Thank you all for viewing and Good Luck to anyone bidding.
Kind Regards
Moritz Karl
IMCA: #0818
Germany

Visit mo's meteorites at:
http://www.m3t3orites.com



From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sun Oct 18 00:37:30 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:37:30 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Fall Trip Report
Message-ID: <7AA2DFF1BFCC4FD38E1D288CFBEE3ED9@Bandli1>

Hello all,

I am having trouble posting to the list from Canada so I am writing through
my hunting partner, Mike Bandli's email account.

We arrived in Grimsby shortly after 11:00 am local time and spent a couple
hours finding our bearings before meeting up with Roman Jirasek on a 20 acre
parcel of land he had secured. After some time spent spot searching we
decided to try a different location and unknowingly found ourselves only a
few feet from Peter Brown's hunting party. Brown and his team are eager and
have been logging many hours using a variety of methodologies to try to zero
in on the fall line. More than happy to collaborate, Brown welcomed us in
and helped us with as much info as the team had regarding the TWO stones
found.

After hunting in that area with no luck, we moved on again and went to the
home of the car smasher and met with the homeowner. Despite all the coverage
and hunting in the area, no one had thought to use a magnet to search for
any more fragments of the stone that broke into several pieces upon impact.
I asked if I could comb it over, to which they obliged, and found 6-7 small
fragments. it was heartbreaking, though completely understandable, to have
to hand them over after finding them.

After a hot meal and a hotel check-in we met up with Mike Farmer and Jim
Strope for a few beers, decompression, and planning.

The locals have all been exceedingly accommodating. The terrain has been
varied to say the least but many areas are huntable and many new areas seem
to jump out on Google Earth so we are set for tomorrow. The two stones found
are so close that they do not represent as line but more a pivot point for
the line so that means 100 yard jumps to try and spot some more as gridding
seems pointless.

Given the hours spent and lack of TKW, it would seem at this point that
export is highly unlikely.

You can view a gallery of our hunt here, which we will try to update
nightly: 

http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/grimsby.html

Off to bed, hope to have more info tomorrow,

Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/nakhladog
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971

-----------------------------------
Mike Bandli
Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA?#5765
Member, Meteoritical Society
-----------------------------------------------




From ensaist at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 07:17:40 2009
From: ensaist at gmail.com (Ahmad bouragaa)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:17:40 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: materials for sale
Message-ID: <2baeaea40910180417q7512700s2b238547e4a3c050@mail.gmail.com>

Hello? List;
I add more nice materials for sale;? enjoy :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36221954 at N07/
please who's interessing contact me off the list;
Have a great weekend everybody


From dave at fallingrocks.com  Sun Oct 18 07:38:02 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:38:02 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: no reserve question answered
Message-ID: <F302267165B04D6DB3A3A3EDC2D619AB@meteorroom>

Hello All,

I keep getting this question, so with the start of a new week I'll take my
ad to post an answer.  YES, THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE NO RESERVE, as they are
listed.  Life's a lot more interesting without a net ;-)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180419140081

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180419138780

All best,

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 



From meteorites at online.nl  Sun Oct 18 08:55:32 2009
From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:55:32 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Cape York slice 495 grams
Message-ID: <D0EF79B5D59542B39E859C4348418652@laptop>

Listoids,

Beautifull Cape York 495 grams etched slice up for sale.
Make an offer before it goes to Ebay.
Offers off list from $3000 and up only pls.

Pictures on request.

Regards,
Jan
IMCA 9833




From tett at rogers.com  Sun Oct 18 09:53:16 2009
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:53:16 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Fall Trip Report
In-Reply-To: <7AA2DFF1BFCC4FD38E1D288CFBEE3ED9@Bandli1>
References: <7AA2DFF1BFCC4FD38E1D288CFBEE3ED9@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <4ADB1DCC.2090103@rogers.com>

Hi Mike and Rob and Roma and Patrick and all the rest of the group down 
in Grimsby,

It is killing me that I can't make it down.  Only a 3 hour drive!

Have family from Europe here and would need to book the divorce lawyer 
if I snuck away.  Hopefully soon.

Good Luck!

Mike (tett) Tettenborn

Mike Bandli wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I am having trouble posting to the list from Canada so I am writing through
> my hunting partner, Mike Bandli's email account.
>
> We arrived in Grimsby shortly after 11:00 am local time and spent a couple
> hours finding our bearings before meeting up with Roman Jirasek on a 20 acre
> parcel of land he had secured. After some time spent spot searching we
> decided to try a different location and unknowingly found ourselves only a
> few feet from Peter Brown's hunting party. Brown and his team are eager and
> have been logging many hours using a variety of methodologies to try to zero
> in on the fall line. More than happy to collaborate, Brown welcomed us in
> and helped us with as much info as the team had regarding the TWO stones
> found.
>
> After hunting in that area with no luck, we moved on again and went to the
> home of the car smasher and met with the homeowner. Despite all the coverage
> and hunting in the area, no one had thought to use a magnet to search for
> any more fragments of the stone that broke into several pieces upon impact.
> I asked if I could comb it over, to which they obliged, and found 6-7 small
> fragments. it was heartbreaking, though completely understandable, to have
> to hand them over after finding them.
>
> After a hot meal and a hotel check-in we met up with Mike Farmer and Jim
> Strope for a few beers, decompression, and planning.
>
> The locals have all been exceedingly accommodating. The terrain has been
> varied to say the least but many areas are huntable and many new areas seem
> to jump out on Google Earth so we are set for tomorrow. The two stones found
> are so close that they do not represent as line but more a pivot point for
> the line so that means 100 yard jumps to try and spot some more as gridding
> seems pointless.
>
> Given the hours spent and lack of TKW, it would seem at this point that
> export is highly unlikely.
>
> You can view a gallery of our hunt here, which we will try to update
> nightly: 
>
> http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/grimsby.html
>
> Off to bed, hope to have more info tomorrow,
>
> Rob Wesel
> www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> www.facebook.com/nakhladog
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
> -----------------------------------
> Mike Bandli
> Historic Meteorites
> www.HistoricMeteorites.com
> IMCA #5765
> Member, Meteoritical Society
> -----------------------------------------------
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>   



From magellon.ken at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 10:29:57 2009
From: magellon.ken at gmail.com (Ken Newton)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:29:57 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W313CABEE286DC2363B2535D2C40@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT117-W313CABEE286DC2363B2535D2C40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <c626e3e80910180729u766f8c36ld2ffb110cb540790@mail.gmail.com>

Vehicle hit list

Grimsby (provisional name) Sept 25, 2009
Orlando  November 8, 2004
Park Forest  March 26, 2003
Worden  September 1, 1997
Turtle Lake  October 21, 1996
Neagari  February 18, 1995
Peekskill  October 9, 1992
Louisville  January 31, 1977
Barwell  December 24, 1965
St. Louis  December 10, 1950
Benld   September 29, 1938

(http://imca.repetti.net/metinfo/metstruck.html)

Best,
Ken Newton
IMCA# 9632
meteorite-identification.com

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> All:
>
> Take a look.? Looks like the real deal.? A hammer!
>
> Greg S.
>


From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 10:32:43 2009
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:32:43 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Fall Trip Report
In-Reply-To: <7AA2DFF1BFCC4FD38E1D288CFBEE3ED9@Bandli1>
References: <7AA2DFF1BFCC4FD38E1D288CFBEE3ED9@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <f0a794130910180732o56ae1b82p823e961d6e884bc4@mail.gmail.com>

Great update thanks for sharing.



On 10/18/09, Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I am having trouble posting to the list from Canada so I am writing through
> my hunting partner, Mike Bandli's email account.
>
> We arrived in Grimsby shortly after 11:00 am local time and spent a couple
> hours finding our bearings before meeting up with Roman Jirasek on a 20 acre
> parcel of land he had secured. After some time spent spot searching we
> decided to try a different location and unknowingly found ourselves only a
> few feet from Peter Brown's hunting party. Brown and his team are eager and
> have been logging many hours using a variety of methodologies to try to zero
> in on the fall line. More than happy to collaborate, Brown welcomed us in
> and helped us with as much info as the team had regarding the TWO stones
> found.
>
> After hunting in that area with no luck, we moved on again and went to the
> home of the car smasher and met with the homeowner. Despite all the coverage
> and hunting in the area, no one had thought to use a magnet to search for
> any more fragments of the stone that broke into several pieces upon impact.
> I asked if I could comb it over, to which they obliged, and found 6-7 small
> fragments. it was heartbreaking, though completely understandable, to have
> to hand them over after finding them.
>
> After a hot meal and a hotel check-in we met up with Mike Farmer and Jim
> Strope for a few beers, decompression, and planning.
>
> The locals have all been exceedingly accommodating. The terrain has been
> varied to say the least but many areas are huntable and many new areas seem
> to jump out on Google Earth so we are set for tomorrow. The two stones found
> are so close that they do not represent as line but more a pivot point for
> the line so that means 100 yard jumps to try and spot some more as gridding
> seems pointless.
>
> Given the hours spent and lack of TKW, it would seem at this point that
> export is highly unlikely.
>
> You can view a gallery of our hunt here, which we will try to update
> nightly:
>
> http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/grimsby.html
>
> Off to bed, hope to have more info tomorrow,
>
> Rob Wesel
> www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> www.facebook.com/nakhladog
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
> -----------------------------------
> Mike Bandli
> Historic Meteorites
> www.HistoricMeteorites.com
> IMCA?#5765
> Member, Meteoritical Society
> -----------------------------------------------
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>


From marsrox at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 11:15:08 2009
From: marsrox at gmail.com (Kevin Kichinka)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:15:08 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Last Few Signed/Numbered Copies of "The Art of
	Collecting Meteorites" (ad)
Message-ID: <5bb98d570910180815t74b5a602x1feffed6982a6b7f@mail.gmail.com>

I'm pleased by the support and positive reviews given for my book "The
Art of Collecting Meteorites" and suspect that almost every list
member has purchased a copy. For the couple of "newbies" who have not,
here's an opportunity. I have been signing and numbering a total of
500 copies since 2005 and have only 10 or so left. One is on eBay for
the next nine hours. Check it out here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220495752345&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

Thank you.

Kevin Kichinka

MARSROX at gmail.com

www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com


From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 11:22:54 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:22:54 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Trip Fall Report
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910180822k7a6f00cfqc68927a7e61a5389@mail.gmail.com>

Good Luck Rob, Mike and the whole gang. You guys ROCK!

I've been on pins and needles ever since Rob Wesel called me late
Thursday night and told me that he and Mike Bandli were on the way.
Thanks for keeping us updated on how you are doing - We're all pulling
for you.

Who knows, I may be joining you guys soon so leave a few for me..

P.S. Mike (tett) Tettenborn go anyway!  Just kidding, family comes
first........

Ruben Garcia


From fujmon at mac.com  Sun Oct 18 11:48:01 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:48:01 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Fall Trip Report
In-Reply-To: <7AA2DFF1BFCC4FD38E1D288CFBEE3ED9@Bandli1>
References: <7AA2DFF1BFCC4FD38E1D288CFBEE3ED9@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <B09B3427-0CD4-4A2B-A5DD-117AD6DD9D49@mac.com>

Aloha Rob and Mike, thanks for the hunting update and pictures from  
Grimsby (where I and possibly several others are living vicariously  
through your exploits).  The best of luck to you and other hunters on  
finding more specimens.

gary

On Oct 17, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Mike Bandli wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am having trouble posting to the list from Canada so I am writing  
> through
> my hunting partner, Mike Bandli's email account.
>
> We arrived in Grimsby shortly after 11:00 am local time and spent a  
> couple
> hours finding our bearings before meeting up with Roman Jirasek on a  
> 20 acre
> parcel of land he had secured. After some time spent spot searching we
> decided to try a different location and unknowingly found ourselves  
> only a
> few feet from Peter Brown's hunting party. Brown and his team are  
> eager and
> have been logging many hours using a variety of methodologies to try  
> to zero
> in on the fall line. More than happy to collaborate, Brown welcomed  
> us in
> and helped us with as much info as the team had regarding the TWO  
> stones
> found.
>
> After hunting in that area with no luck, we moved on again and went  
> to the
> home of the car smasher and met with the homeowner. Despite all the  
> coverage
> and hunting in the area, no one had thought to use a magnet to  
> search for
> any more fragments of the stone that broke into several pieces upon  
> impact.
> I asked if I could comb it over, to which they obliged, and found  
> 6-7 small
> fragments. it was heartbreaking, though completely understandable,  
> to have
> to hand them over after finding them.
>
> After a hot meal and a hotel check-in we met up with Mike Farmer and  
> Jim
> Strope for a few beers, decompression, and planning.
>
> The locals have all been exceedingly accommodating. The terrain has  
> been
> varied to say the least but many areas are huntable and many new  
> areas seem
> to jump out on Google Earth so we are set for tomorrow. The two  
> stones found
> are so close that they do not represent as line but more a pivot  
> point for
> the line so that means 100 yard jumps to try and spot some more as  
> gridding
> seems pointless.
>
> Given the hours spent and lack of TKW, it would seem at this point  
> that
> export is highly unlikely.
>
> You can view a gallery of our hunt here, which we will try to update
> nightly:
>
> http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/grimsby.html
>
> Off to bed, hope to have more info tomorrow,
>
> Rob Wesel
> www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> www.facebook.com/nakhladog
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
> -----------------------------------
> Mike Bandli
> Historic Meteorites
> www.HistoricMeteorites.com
> IMCA #5765
> Member, Meteoritical Society
> -----------------------------------------------
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From bristolia at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 18 12:22:34 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:22:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientists Try to Calm '2012' hysteria
Message-ID: <990622.62393.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scientists Try to Calm '2012' hysteria

2012: Combat the Nonsense, Universe Today, Oct 14, 2009
http://www.universetoday.com/2009/10/14/2012-combat-the-nonsense/
http://www.universetoday.com/category/2012/

2012: Eh, It's Not the End Of the World: Film & Internet 
Rumors Fuel Doomsday Babble, Washington Post, Oct. 16, 2009

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/15/AR2009101503745.html 

Nasa: The end of the world is lie, Mirror.co.uk, Oct 16, 2009?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/10/17/nasa-the-end-of-the-world-is-lie-115875-21753230/

Scientists try to calm '2012' hysteria by John Johnson
Los Angeles Times, Oct 16, 2009?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-movie17-2009oct17,0,4123180.story

2012 Apocalypse, Astrobiology Magazine, Oct. 18, 2009
http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/3283/2012-apocalypse

Aveni, Anthony, 2009, Apocalypse Soon? Archaeology Magazine.
vol. 62 no. 6 (November/December 2009), pp. 31-35.

http://www.archaeology.org/0911/2012/
http://www.archaeology.org/0911/

Yours,

Paul H.


      


From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Sun Oct 18 14:39:49 2009
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:39:49 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Angrite and Olivine Dioginite micrographs posted
	to the Gallery
Message-ID: <c8f.50d64f48.380cbaf5@aol.com>

Hi list,  Most of you already know I have a  Gallery of meteorite 
micrographs hosted by Meteorite Times.  I take the  pictures and Paul sets up the 
Galley.

We just added two new sets:
NWA  4662 Angrite
NWA 1877 Olivine Dioginite

Just go  to:

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/meteorites-alpha_frame.htm  

select "Alphabetical" on the top and look for "NEW" in red in the menu  to 
the left.

We started a new thing last month.  In the "Features"  tab at the top we 
have one micrograph (This month one of the NWA 4662 Angrite  shots) in full 
size.  It is 12mp!!! 

One other thing
Basalt  micrographs:

I am working on a set of images of a terrestrial  basalt.  Tony Irving 
produced the thin section and gave me the bad news (It  was a planetary just not 
from the planet I had wanted)  They are  beautiful!

Any interest in some plane old earth basalt  micrographs?

Tom Phillips  



From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 16:04:30 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:04:30 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Fresh (looking) Arizona Meteorite
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910181304p5d46d697s2e509e6b1a5f2ee6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
Just returned from another successful Arizona meteorite hunt. This
time I returned with a beautiful fresh (looking) 33 gram chondrite
from just south of Tucson. I searched all the next day and found no
other stones.

Here's my question. From the looks of this stone it hasn't been on the
ground very long. I wonder is it possible it could be from the June
fall that our good friend Jack Schrader discovered? Considering the
rains that came after that fall it could have started to get rust
spots - like this one shows.

Take a look and see what you think.

http://www.mr-meteorite.net/justbeforedark.htm

Thanks,

Ruben Garcia
http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net


From fujmon at mac.com  Sun Oct 18 16:50:49 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:50:49 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Fresh (looking) Arizona Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910181304p5d46d697s2e509e6b1a5f2ee6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80659e1a0910181304p5d46d697s2e509e6b1a5f2ee6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <862F2A62-11C8-494F-B602-6A085484CA4E@mac.com>

Congrats Ruben on a great find!  I don't know if its from the same  
fall as Jack's discovery but it seems like a lot of oxidation for only  
a few months of terrestrial time.

gary

On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Ruben Garcia wrote:

> Hi all,
> Just returned from another successful Arizona meteorite hunt. This
> time I returned with a beautiful fresh (looking) 33 gram chondrite
> from just south of Tucson. I searched all the next day and found no
> other stones.
>
> Here's my question. From the looks of this stone it hasn't been on the
> ground very long. I wonder is it possible it could be from the June
> fall that our good friend Jack Schrader discovered? Considering the
> rains that came after that fall it could have started to get rust
> spots - like this one shows.
>
> Take a look and see what you think.
>
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/justbeforedark.htm
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ruben Garcia
> http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 16:57:19 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:57:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Fresh (looking) Arizona Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <862F2A62-11C8-494F-B602-6A085484CA4E@mac.com>
References: <80659e1a0910181304p5d46d697s2e509e6b1a5f2ee6@mail.gmail.com>
	<862F2A62-11C8-494F-B602-6A085484CA4E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910181357u550f5a09s4a4c56c1555f4195@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Gary,
You are probably right. It's just that I'm not used to finding
anything other than old meteorites on dry lake beds.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com> wrote:
> Congrats Ruben on a great find! ?I don't know if its from the same fall as
> Jack's discovery but it seems like a lot of oxidation for only a few months
> of terrestrial time.
>
> gary
>
> On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Ruben Garcia wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> Just returned from another successful Arizona meteorite hunt. This
>> time I returned with a beautiful fresh (looking) 33 gram chondrite
>> from just south of Tucson. I searched all the next day and found no
>> other stones.
>>
>> Here's my question. From the looks of this stone it hasn't been on the
>> ground very long. I wonder is it possible it could be from the June
>> fall that our good friend Jack Schrader discovered? Considering the
>> rains that came after that fall it could have started to get rust
>> spots - like this one shows.
>>
>> Take a look and see what you think.
>>
>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/justbeforedark.htm
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ruben Garcia
>> http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> Gary Fujihara
> AstroDay Institute
> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
> (808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
> http://astroday.net
>
>


From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Oct 18 20:46:06 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:46:06 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] That's it!  I'm heading for Mars.
In-Reply-To: <c8f.50d64f48.380cbaf5@aol.com>
References: <c8f.50d64f48.380cbaf5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <hkdnd5h7tnej6apparjose8obkvp0jhvh6@4ax.com>

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/10/18/opportunity-discovers-still-another-meteorite-findit-on-google-mar/

Opportunity must be driving down Meteorite Alley on Mars. The rover has come
across still another meteorite, the third space rock it has found the past few
months, and fourth overall since 2005. This one is called Mackinac, which
continues the "island" theme by which the science team has dubbed the
meteorites. Block Island was found in July 2009, and Opportunity came upon
Shelter Island the end of September (around sol 2020 for the rover). Mackinac
was found on sol 2034 (Oct 13), and it looks very similar in composition to the
two earlier meteorites. Opportunity analyzed the meteorites and found they were
made of iron and nickel. The image above was color calibrated by Stu Atkinson,
who hangs out at UnmannedSpaceflight.com. You can find all the raw images
Opportunity has sent back to Earth here, and raw images from Spirit here.

You can also follow Opportunity's travels through Meridiani Planum on its way to
Endeavour Crater at one of Stu's blogs, Road to Endeavour. But ? and this is
very fun ? you can also follow Oppy on Google Mars, and see where it has found
the meteorites. Tesheiner on UMSF regularly updates a route map, pinpointing the
spots where the rover stops. Just go to Google Mars (download Google Earth and
Mars here if you don't have it yet), open up Google Mars, then click on this
link, download and open, and you'll be transported to Opportunity's location on
Mars. Extreme, extreme cool.

Now, you'll notice that region of Google Mars doesn't have high-resolution
imagery yet. They're working on it. In the meantime, though, if you want to see
a great mosaic of the terrain that Opportunity is traveling through, check out
this image below created by Ken Kremer, also of UMSF. This is from Sol 2010
showing Nereus Crater and dunes on the Road to Endeavour, where Oppy was just
prior to discovering Shelter Island. Ken created this mosaic from raw images
from the Cornell Pancam raw images, stitching multiple images together and
calibrating the color. 


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 18 19:45:30 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:45:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] That's it!  I'm heading for Mars.
In-Reply-To: <hkdnd5h7tnej6apparjose8obkvp0jhvh6@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <617875.13713.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Im sure you will be standing in line behind Mike Farmer!

PS... where has he been? have not seen a post from him in some time.

Greg C.
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA 4682


--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] That's it!  I'm heading for Mars.
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:46 PM
> http://www.universetoday.com/2009/10/18/opportunity-discovers-still-another-meteorite-findit-on-google-mar/
> 
> Opportunity must be driving down Meteorite Alley on Mars.
> The rover has come
> across still another meteorite, the third space rock it has
> found the past few
> months, and fourth overall since 2005. This one is called
> Mackinac, which
> continues the "island" theme by which the science team has
> dubbed the
> meteorites. Block Island was found in July 2009, and
> Opportunity came upon
> Shelter Island the end of September (around sol 2020 for
> the rover). Mackinac
> was found on sol 2034 (Oct 13), and it looks very similar
> in composition to the
> two earlier meteorites. Opportunity analyzed the meteorites
> and found they were
> made of iron and nickel. The image above was color
> calibrated by Stu Atkinson,
> who hangs out at UnmannedSpaceflight.com. You can find all
> the raw images
> Opportunity has sent back to Earth here, and raw images
> from Spirit here.
> 
> You can also follow Opportunity's travels through Meridiani
> Planum on its way to
> Endeavour Crater at one of Stu's blogs, Road to Endeavour.
> But ? and this is
> very fun ? you can also follow Oppy on Google Mars, and
> see where it has found
> the meteorites. Tesheiner on UMSF regularly updates a route
> map, pinpointing the
> spots where the rover stops. Just go to Google Mars
> (download Google Earth and
> Mars here if you don't have it yet), open up Google Mars,
> then click on this
> link, download and open, and you'll be transported to
> Opportunity's location on
> Mars. Extreme, extreme cool.
> 
> Now, you'll notice that region of Google Mars doesn't have
> high-resolution
> imagery yet. They're working on it. In the meantime,
> though, if you want to see
> a great mosaic of the terrain that Opportunity is traveling
> through, check out
> this image below created by Ken Kremer, also of UMSF. This
> is from Sol 2010
> showing Nereus Crater and dunes on the Road to Endeavour,
> where Oppy was just
> prior to discovering Shelter Island. Ken created this
> mosaic from raw images
> from the Cornell Pancam raw images, stitching multiple
> images together and
> calibrating the color. 
> ______________________________________________
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From romanj at sympatico.ca  Sun Oct 18 20:52:47 2009
From: romanj at sympatico.ca (Roman Jirasek)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:52:47 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] That's it!  I'm heading for Mars. Grimsby
References: <617875.13713.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP276F735015F2D7390EB5C2A4C10@phx.gbl>

Mike Farmer, Jim Strope, Patrick Hermann, Rob Wesel, Mike Bandli, and I
were in Grimsby, hunting. Farmer found a 69 gramer! That's the 3rd stone 
only
for this fall so far. Rob Wesel will post more photos soon.

Roman Jirasek
www.meteoritelabels.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] That's it! I'm heading for Mars.


> Im sure you will be standing in line behind Mike Farmer!
>
> PS... where has he been? have not seen a post from him in some time.
>
> Greg C.
> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> IMCA 4682
>
>
> --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] That's it!  I'm heading for Mars.
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:46 PM
>> http://www.universetoday.com/2009/10/18/opportunity-discovers-still-another-meteorite-findit-on-google-mar/
>>
>> Opportunity must be driving down Meteorite Alley on Mars.
>> The rover has come
>> across still another meteorite, the third space rock it has
>> found the past few
>> months, and fourth overall since 2005. This one is called
>> Mackinac, which
>> continues the "island" theme by which the science team has
>> dubbed the
>> meteorites. Block Island was found in July 2009, and
>> Opportunity came upon
>> Shelter Island the end of September (around sol 2020 for
>> the rover). Mackinac
>> was found on sol 2034 (Oct 13), and it looks very similar
>> in composition to the
>> two earlier meteorites. Opportunity analyzed the meteorites
>> and found they were
>> made of iron and nickel. The image above was color
>> calibrated by Stu Atkinson,
>> who hangs out at UnmannedSpaceflight.com. You can find all
>> the raw images
>> Opportunity has sent back to Earth here, and raw images
>> from Spirit here.
>>
>> You can also follow Opportunity's travels through Meridiani
>> Planum on its way to
>> Endeavour Crater at one of Stu's blogs, Road to Endeavour.
>> But ? and this is
>> very fun ? you can also follow Oppy on Google Mars, and
>> see where it has found
>> the meteorites. Tesheiner on UMSF regularly updates a route
>> map, pinpointing the
>> spots where the rover stops. Just go to Google Mars
>> (download Google Earth and
>> Mars here if you don't have it yet), open up Google Mars,
>> then click on this
>> link, download and open, and you'll be transported to
>> Opportunity's location on
>> Mars. Extreme, extreme cool.
>>
>> Now, you'll notice that region of Google Mars doesn't have
>> high-resolution
>> imagery yet. They're working on it. In the meantime,
>> though, if you want to see
>> a great mosaic of the terrain that Opportunity is traveling
>> through, check out
>> this image below created by Ken Kremer, also of UMSF. This
>> is from Sol 2010
>> showing Nereus Crater and dunes on the Road to Endeavour,
>> where Oppy was just
>> prior to discovering Shelter Island. Ken created this
>> mosaic from raw images
>> from the Cornell Pancam raw images, stitching multiple
>> images together and
>> calibrating the color.
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
>
>
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From rocksfromspace at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 18 21:05:41 2009
From: rocksfromspace at yahoo.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:05:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 18,
	2009  GRIMSBY METEORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <514299.42064.qm@web113012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Grimsby-Meteorite.html


      



From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 22:28:10 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:28:10 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] That's it! I'm heading for Mars. Grimsby
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP276F735015F2D7390EB5C2A4C10@phx.gbl>
References: <617875.13713.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP276F735015F2D7390EB5C2A4C10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910181928v778b9c80kab09e4e9b45fc099@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats Mr Farmer on the awesome find! I'll bet it feels good to be
"on the board". It takes the pressure off. As for the rest of the gang
I'm sure your finds are just around the corner.

Great Job guys!


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sun Oct 18 22:50:40 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:50:40 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Day Two
Message-ID: <7D5630DDF8F541E6A4A537EC0FC59934@Bandli1>

Hello all

As you have seen from Rocks From Space Picture Of The Day and Roman's
report, today was a success with the third stone and current main mass found
by Mike Farmer.

It was a full day of searching both urban and rural landscapes, everything
from street gutters to vineyards to grass fields and for it we have three
points on a line that will hopefully allow us to construct the strewnfield
better. The article about the geese...true. The eyes are crossed from
concentrating so hard on trying to find stones through the goose turds.

While we did not meet up until the end of the day, we did learn that there
is a large showing from the Canadian science community, just passed Alan
Hildebrand and Ellen Milley in the stairwell on the our way to a well earned
soak in the jacuzzi. It is nice to see the scientists out of the lab and
working to find these all too uncommon stones and their collaboration with
hunters has been refreshing.

No homeowners have denied us permission. In short, the whole Grimsby
experience has been exceptional but for the lack of meteorites.

Farmer's find restored all of our hopes and the hunt continues. A shout out
to Farmer for the excellent celebratory dinner he sprung for.

Didn't have much time to snap photos today, but Bandli uploaded a few more
pics here:

http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/grimsby.html


Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/nakhladog
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971

-----------------------------------
Mike Bandli
Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA?#5765
Member, Meteoritical Society
-----------------------------------------------




From wahlperry at aol.com  Sun Oct 18 23:11:31 2009
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:11:31 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Day Two
In-Reply-To: <7D5630DDF8F541E6A4A537EC0FC59934@Bandli1>
References: <7D5630DDF8F541E6A4A537EC0FC59934@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <8CC1E80FDCB95E2-5A28-EC5@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com>

Way to go! keep up the good work!

Sonny


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
To: 'Meteorite List' <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 18, 2009 7:50 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Day Two






Hello all

As you have seen from Rocks From Space Picture Of The Day and Roman's
report, today was a success with the third stone and current main mass 
found
by Mike Farmer.

It was a full day of searching both urban and rural landscapes, 
everything
 from street gutters to vineyards to grass fields and for it we have 
three
points on a line that will hopefully allow us to construct the 
strewnfield
better. The article about the geese...true. The eyes are crossed from
concentrating so hard on trying to find stones through the goose turds.

While we did not meet up until the end of the day, we did learn that 
there
is a large showing from the Canadian science community, just passed Alan
Hildebrand and Ellen Milley in the stairwell on the our way to a well 
earned
soak in the jacuzzi. It is nice to see the scientists out of the lab and
working to find these all too uncommon stones and their collaboration 
with
hunters has been refreshing.

No homeowners have denied us permission. In short, the whole Grimsby
experience has been exceptional but for the lack of meteorites.

Farmer's find restored all of our hopes and the hunt continues. A shout 
out
to Farmer for the excellent celebratory dinner he sprung for.

Didn't have much time to snap photos today, but Bandli uploaded a few 
more
pics here:

http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/grimsby.html


Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/nakhladog
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971

-----------------------------------
Mike Bandli
Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA?#5765
Member, Meteoritical Society
-----------------------------------------------


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From marsrox at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 23:19:52 2009
From: marsrox at gmail.com (Kevin Kichinka)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:19:52 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gestures of Generosity Fade to Black
Message-ID: <5bb98d570910182019u54dc611eja7e80e6eee070104@mail.gmail.com>

Earlier today I ran an advertisement on the M-List offering to sell
one of the last "signed and numbered" copies of a book "The Art of
Collecting Meteorites" that I am quite proud to have written. As most
of you know, I was honored to enjoy contributions for this endeavor
from many wonderful people in the science and meteorite communities.
No such work had been done before, and no such work has been done
since. With copies in the Smithsonian and the US Library of Congress,
I guess when I'm gone it will be my lasting legacy.

The auction today was successful and now I have only eight or nine
"signed and numbered" copies left to sell from the 500 I originally
allotted. Most of these have been purchased by list members and I am
grateful.

While I don't like to constantly write to this venue about these sales
as it just adds to the clutter of advertising here- I remember when
there was none- I will let collectors know when #500 is offered
because that will be special and (maybe to some) significant.

Additionally, as I've lived in Costa Rica for some years now and must
rely on friends and family to mail "sold" copies from the USA, when
the last box of books is sold I'll probably and reluctantly let it go
out of print. This book continues to open doors and make friends for
me in far away places and when there's no more to sell, well.....:>(

When I checked the result of my auction on eBay tonight, I was
embarrassed, appalled, saddened and disgusted that the opening eBay
page of "things that will interest me" included an offer by Steve
Arnold of Chicago to sell a copy of my book that had been recently
gifted to him by a list member. Steve thinks that he ought to receive
$30 for what will become a "third hand" copy of something he received
for free.

Here's his offer, carelessly written in "ALL CAPS" for "THNG METEORITE".

http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-ART-OF-COLLECTING-METEORITES-KICHINKA_W0QQitemZ290361149145QQcategoryZ3239QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D12%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D54

Of course, while it's Steve's property now to do as he likes, I wonder
who would pay so much for a used book when crisp new ones are
available for less? I wonder how this sale of a gift squares with
Steve's contrived image as Mr. Freebie?

I'm no Saint, but in my personal life, while I struggle to pay the
bills like everyone else, when I receive a gift I don't want, I feel
it best to just give it to someone who does. Show some love. It's a
painless, cost-free investment that returns high dividends.

Luckily, I am happily of the belief that where ever the book lands, it
will be read and enjoyed by someone truly interested in learning about
meteorites.

Of course the best resolution would be to drop the eBay sale and
quietly without self-proclaimed fanfare give the book away Steve, just
as some generous and caring soul did when they sent it to you.

"Off list, please."

Kevin Kichinka

MARSROX at gmail.com

www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com


From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 18 23:29:46 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:29:46 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Day Two
In-Reply-To: <7D5630DDF8F541E6A4A537EC0FC59934@Bandli1>
References: <7D5630DDF8F541E6A4A537EC0FC59934@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W148D56F3BEA23B1E40FDD2D6C10@phx.gbl>


Sorry about the double reply, Mike - I just relised my email was set in "Rich text".. So annoying... 

Keep up the good work guys, and good luck in finding more stones/fragments! 



Does it appear to be an ordinary chondrite? 

Best regards 
-----------
Melanie
IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09

Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get!






----------------------------------------
> From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:50:40 -0700
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Day Two
>
> Hello all
>
> As you have seen from Rocks From Space Picture Of The Day and Roman's
> report, today was a success with the third stone and current main mass found
> by Mike Farmer.
>
> It was a full day of searching both urban and rural landscapes, everything
> from street gutters to vineyards to grass fields and for it we have three
> points on a line that will hopefully allow us to construct the strewnfield
> better. The article about the geese...true. The eyes are crossed from
> concentrating so hard on trying to find stones through the goose turds.
>
> While we did not meet up until the end of the day, we did learn that there
> is a large showing from the Canadian science community, just passed Alan
> Hildebrand and Ellen Milley in the stairwell on the our way to a well earned
> soak in the jacuzzi. It is nice to see the scientists out of the lab and
> working to find these all too uncommon stones and their collaboration with
> hunters has been refreshing.
>
> No homeowners have denied us permission. In short, the whole Grimsby
> experience has been exceptional but for the lack of meteorites.
>
> Farmer's find restored all of our hopes and the hunt continues. A shout out
> to Farmer for the excellent celebratory dinner he sprung for.
>
> Didn't have much time to snap photos today, but Bandli uploaded a few more
> pics here:
>
> http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/grimsby.html
>
>
> Rob Wesel
> www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> www.facebook.com/nakhladog
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
> -----------------------------------
> Mike Bandli
> Historic Meteorites
> www.HistoricMeteorites.com
> IMCA #5765
> Member, Meteoritical Society
> -----------------------------------------------
>
>
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Oct 19 04:04:31 2009
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 19 Oct 2009 08:04:31 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Fresh (looking) Arizona Meteorite
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000B60000414B@paulinet.de>

Ruben wrote:

"Just returned from another successful Arizona meteorite hunt. This
 time I returned with a beautiful fresh (looking) 33 gram chondrite
 from just south of Tucson. Take a look and see what you think.
 
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/justbeforedark.htm

Hi Ruben and List,

Congrats on your latest find! If you had not written explicitly "south of Tucson",
my first impression would have been that it might be a Franconia stone!

Best wishes,

Bernd



From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 11:03:15 2009
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:03:15 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad/Ebay item ending today really nice Admire
	slices and more.
Message-ID: <468bf6050910190803j42f6db08y60c459c702dcb5f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone I normally don't bother you with Ebay ads because I
just about always have something running. But this time I have
something very nice and new. I have several slices of Admire pallasite
ending today. And more a little later in the week. You can see my Ebay
items here http://www.meteoritefinder.com/meteorite-auctions.htm
Some of you may already know but we sell through another Ebay handle
as well this one is owned by my wife.  flatop-2 and you can see those
auctions here
 http://shop.ebay.com/flatop-2/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

For anyone who hasn't see my latest offerings on my web site here is a
link to those http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm

Thanks for looking

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
     928-753-6825


From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Oct 19 12:52:54 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:52:54 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A bunch more planets.  Yawn.
In-Reply-To: <5bb98d570910182019u54dc611eja7e80e6eee070104@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5bb98d570910182019u54dc611eja7e80e6eee070104@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <j56pd5dagq9e4cg40aduu3g0f0p2qc081g@4ax.com>

We now live in a time when there are so many known extrasolar planets that the
discovery of a few dozen more of them is kind of pedestrian.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gSIOd5240uPvZThYwptYclUq5E3QD9BE6H4O0

Lots more planets found outside solar system

By SETH BORENSTEIN (AP) ? 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON ? Astronomers have found 32 new planets outside our solar system,
adding evidence to the theory that the universe has many places where life could
develop.

Scientists using European Southern Observatory telescopes didn't find any
planets quite the size of Earth or any that seemed habitable or even unusual.
But their announcement increased the number of planets discovered outside the
solar system to more than 400.

Six of the newly found planets are several times bigger than Earth, increasing
the population of so-called SuperEarths by more than 30 percent. Most planets
discovered so far are far bigger, Jupiter-sized or even larger.

Two of the newly discovered planets were as small as five times the size of
Earth and one was up to five times larger than Jupiter.

Astronomer Stephane Udry of the University of Geneva said the results support
the theory that planet-formation is common, especially with certain type of
common stars.

"I'm pretty confident that there are Earth-like planets everywhere," Udry said
in a Web-based news conference from a conference in Portugal. "Nature doesn't
like a vacuum. If there is space to put a planet there, there will be a planet
there."

What astronomers said is especially exciting is the high percentage ? about half
? of a type of star systems with relatively light stars that had planets around
them. This is more than planet-formation theory expected, astronomers said. Two
of the four planets found around these type stars were relatively close to Earth
size, said astronomer Xavier Bonfils of Grenoble Observatory in France.

The discoveries were made by the High Accuracy Radial Velocity Planet Searcher,
which looks for slight wobbles in a star's movements, which would be made by the
tug of a planet's gravity on the star. There are no photos of these planets.


From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 12:29:55 2009
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:29:55 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] calibrated stellar photo - york water
Message-ID: <f0a794130910190929l50a7757avc6e51283044081e1@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List,

I know this is not as exciting as the Grimsby meteorites, but its
something I've been working on the last few weeks and I wanted to
share it with the list.

I have logged a lot of hours searching for meteorites from the PA
fireball and to date have not been able to find anything. Searching in
the same general area over a long period of time really starts to wear
on your physche and a few weeks ago I started to get consumed with
doubt regarding the area I was searching. I had found some new videos
and knew that we had never been able to properly analyze the data from
the original York Water video. I believed if we could properly analyze
that data and incorporate it into the current trajectory it might be
able to improve our projections and lead us to a new search area.

A couple of meteor experts suggested making calibrated stellar photos
of the direct sighting videos in an effort to improve the input data
used in the projections. The first attempt for making the calibrated
photo would entail busting out the jpegs from the original AVI and
then stacking the images like you would stack an astro photo. Faint
stars could exist in the frames that would not be visible in a single
frame but would become apparent after stacking 100 or so frames. If
this approach failed then new video would need to be shot that would
include stellar objects.

I started with the York Water video as this was a great capture but
very distorted due to the fish-eye lens. I tried stacking but got no
stars. A friend tipped me off to the fact that the full moon would be
rising in the east on Oct 4th and Oct 5th. I coordinated with York
Water to capture video from these nights. Using this new moon footage
I was able to pair up 9 frames of the meteor video with very close
references to the full moon at different points of time. In 3 cases
the meteor was a perfect match to the moon's location.

Here is the York Water calibrated stellar photo:

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/york-water-calibrated-summary-simple.jpg

Here is the star map that I created after analyzing the calibrated photo:

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/york-moon-star-map.jpg

I traced a straight line through the meteor locations and down to the
horizon. Using imperfect measurements I came up with an approximate 67
degree angle at the horizon. I drew a line in google earth at that
angle from the york water location and it intersected Rob's 0km marker
almost exactly. I find this reassuring and pretty incredible
considering Rob used only the Pittsburgh video and the astro photo in
determining his 3D model. Mad props to Rob Matson on his meteor
trajectory skillz -- Rob I think you could triangulate a meteor in
your sleep. :)

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/york-water-map.jpg

I'm not sure about the precision of my measurements or star chart but
I know its pretty close (i'm sure it could be improved some). I'm not
sure if this new input data can be used to make minor improvements to
the trajectory, velocity estimates or angle of descent but if there is
anyone out there who worked on plotting the PA fireball and wants to
take another crack at it with this information I would love to hear
from you.

I know several people on the list worked on getting the ALT-AZ
readings from the york video using compasses and field surveying
techniques and had a hard time due to the distortion from the camera.
I wanted to share this approach to analyzing security footage in case
this situation ever arose in the future. Using a calibrated photo
eliminates a lot of guess work.

I have requested the original raw footage of the Pittsburgh video from
Alison Kruse and I hope to be able to pull out more stars in that
footage using the stacking technique.

My conclusion after working with the York calibrated photo is that I'm
searching in the right area, but just need to look harder. I find it
amazing and inspiring that Mike Farmer can fly to Ontario and find a
meteorite on his first day.

The new information from the York video and the excitement from
Ontario has given me a jolt of positive energy and a boost to morale
-- exactly what I need to continue searching the corn fields of
Lancaster PA.

To see the full post about this exercise follow this link:

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/york-water-calibrated-stellar-photo/

Thanks,

Mike Hankey
http://www.mikesastrophotos.com


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 19 12:53:38 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:53:38 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A bunch more planets.  Yawn.
References: <5bb98d570910182019u54dc611eja7e80e6eee070104@mail.gmail.com>
	<j56pd5dagq9e4cg40aduu3g0f0p2qc081g@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <4CEBDCC8C3324B5F96F21B54A76ABAA3@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, Darren, List,

    As Carl said, if there's nothing (or nobody) out
there, it'd be an awful waste of space, a principle
alluded to one of the conferencees: "If there is space
to put a planet there, there will be a planet there."

    Everyone should bear in mind that the mix of
detection methods is heavily biased toward massive
planets close to their stars. those oddballs. In all
probability, there are cold distant Jupiters by the
hundreds for every close hot Jupiter and equally
great numbers of Earth-to-Mars-sized Earths for
every Super-Earth hugging an M dwarf, too.

    Maybe a thousand for every one. Planets are
just a natural outcome of the way the universe is
put together.

    Like life...


Sterling K. Webb
--------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A bunch more planets. Yawn.


We now live in a time when there are so many known extrasolar planets 
that the
discovery of a few dozen more of them is kind of pedestrian.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gSIOd5240uPvZThYwptYclUq5E3QD9BE6H4O0

Lots more planets found outside solar system

By SETH BORENSTEIN (AP) - 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON - Astronomers have found 32 new planets outside our solar 
system,
adding evidence to the theory that the universe has many places where 
life could
develop.

Scientists using European Southern Observatory telescopes didn't find 
any
planets quite the size of Earth or any that seemed habitable or even 
unusual.
But their announcement increased the number of planets discovered 
outside the
solar system to more than 400.

Six of the newly found planets are several times bigger than Earth, 
increasing
the population of so-called SuperEarths by more than 30 percent. Most 
planets
discovered so far are far bigger, Jupiter-sized or even larger.

Two of the newly discovered planets were as small as five times the size 
of
Earth and one was up to five times larger than Jupiter.

Astronomer Stephane Udry of the University of Geneva said the results 
support
the theory that planet-formation is common, especially with certain type 
of
common stars.

"I'm pretty confident that there are Earth-like planets everywhere," 
Udry said
in a Web-based news conference from a conference in Portugal. "Nature 
doesn't
like a vacuum. If there is space to put a planet there, there will be a 
planet
there."

What astronomers said is especially exciting is the high percentage - 
about half
- of a type of star systems with relatively light stars that had planets 
around
them. This is more than planet-formation theory expected, astronomers 
said. Two
of the four planets found around these type stars were relatively close 
to Earth
size, said astronomer Xavier Bonfils of Grenoble Observatory in France.

The discoveries were made by the High Accuracy Radial Velocity Planet 
Searcher,
which looks for slight wobbles in a star's movements, which would be 
made by the
tug of a planet's gravity on the star. There are no photos of these 
planets.
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 19 16:21:10 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:21:10 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Fresh (looking) Arizona Meteorite
References: <80659e1a0910181304p5d46d697s2e509e6b1a5f2ee6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <312376174BA2439BA9AC97EE43B025B0@D190TH71>

Hey, you're on a roll Ruben! Nice stone.
You'll have to compare notes with Jack.
Hope your streak continues. :^)
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ruben Garcia" <mrmeteorite at gmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 1:04 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Fresh (looking) Arizona Meteorite


> Hi all,
> Just returned from another successful Arizona meteorite hunt. This
> time I returned with a beautiful fresh (looking) 33 gram chondrite
> from just south of Tucson. I searched all the next day and found no
> other stones.
> 
> Here's my question. From the looks of this stone it hasn't been on the
> ground very long. I wonder is it possible it could be from the June
> fall that our good friend Jack Schrader discovered? Considering the
> rains that came after that fall it could have started to get rust
> spots - like this one shows.
> 
> Take a look and see what you think.
> 
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/justbeforedark.htm
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
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From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 19 16:47:19 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:47:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] calibrated stellar photo - york water
In-Reply-To: <f0a794130910190929l50a7757avc6e51283044081e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24580.94306.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Mike and List,

  Wow, Mike, you certainly have done a lot of great work on trying to pin this fall down! Thanks a lot for sharing all your info with the rest of us. If nothing is ever found, it won't be due to any short coming on your part! And if pieces ARE recovered, it probably WILL be due in great part to you and your hard work. Best of luck in pieces being recovered, with hopes that YOU will actually be the first to find one!

  Sincerely,
  Robert Woolard 

--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Mike Hankey <mike.hankey at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Mike Hankey <mike.hankey at gmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] calibrated stellar photo - york water
> To: "meteoritelist" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, "Global Meteor Observing Forum" <meteorobs at meteorobs.org>
> Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 11:29 AM
> Dear List,
> 
> I know this is not as exciting as the Grimsby meteorites,
> but its
> something I've been working on the last few weeks and I
> wanted to
> share it with the list.
> 
> I have logged a lot of hours searching for meteorites from
> the PA
> fireball and to date have not been able to find anything.
> Searching in
> the same general area over a long period of time really
> starts to wear
> on your physche and a few weeks ago I started to get
> consumed with
> doubt regarding the area I was searching. I had found some
> new videos
> and knew that we had never been able to properly analyze
> the data from
> the original York Water video. I believed if we could
> properly analyze
> that data and incorporate it into the current trajectory it
> might be
> able to improve our projections and lead us to a new search
> area.
> 
> A couple of meteor experts suggested making calibrated
> stellar photos
> of the direct sighting videos in an effort to improve the
> input data
> used in the projections. The first attempt for making the
> calibrated
> photo would entail busting out the jpegs from the original
> AVI and
> then stacking the images like you would stack an astro
> photo. Faint
> stars could exist in the frames that would not be visible
> in a single
> frame but would become apparent after stacking 100 or so
> frames. If
> this approach failed then new video would need to be shot
> that would
> include stellar objects.
> 
> I started with the York Water video as this was a great
> capture but
> very distorted due to the fish-eye lens. I tried stacking
> but got no
> stars. A friend tipped me off to the fact that the full
> moon would be
> rising in the east on Oct 4th and Oct 5th. I coordinated
> with York
> Water to capture video from these nights. Using this new
> moon footage
> I was able to pair up 9 frames of the meteor video with
> very close
> references to the full moon at different points of time. In
> 3 cases
> the meteor was a perfect match to the moon's location.
> 
> Here is the York Water calibrated stellar photo:
> 
> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/york-water-calibrated-summary-simple.jpg
> 
> Here is the star map that I created after analyzing the
> calibrated photo:
> 
> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/york-moon-star-map.jpg
> 
> I traced a straight line through the meteor locations and
> down to the
> horizon. Using imperfect measurements I came up with an
> approximate 67
> degree angle at the horizon. I drew a line in google earth
> at that
> angle from the york water location and it intersected Rob's
> 0km marker
> almost exactly. I find this reassuring and pretty
> incredible
> considering Rob used only the Pittsburgh video and the
> astro photo in
> determining his 3D model. Mad props to Rob Matson on his
> meteor
> trajectory skillz -- Rob I think you could triangulate a
> meteor in
> your sleep. :)
> 
> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/york-water-map.jpg
> 
> I'm not sure about the precision of my measurements or star
> chart but
> I know its pretty close (i'm sure it could be improved
> some). I'm not
> sure if this new input data can be used to make minor
> improvements to
> the trajectory, velocity estimates or angle of descent but
> if there is
> anyone out there who worked on plotting the PA fireball and
> wants to
> take another crack at it with this information I would love
> to hear
> from you.
> 
> I know several people on the list worked on getting the
> ALT-AZ
> readings from the york video using compasses and field
> surveying
> techniques and had a hard time due to the distortion from
> the camera.
> I wanted to share this approach to analyzing security
> footage in case
> this situation ever arose in the future. Using a calibrated
> photo
> eliminates a lot of guess work.
> 
> I have requested the original raw footage of the Pittsburgh
> video from
> Alison Kruse and I hope to be able to pull out more stars
> in that
> footage using the stacking technique.
> 
> My conclusion after working with the York calibrated photo
> is that I'm
> searching in the right area, but just need to look harder.
> I find it
> amazing and inspiring that Mike Farmer can fly to Ontario
> and find a
> meteorite on his first day.
> 
> The new information from the York video and the excitement
> from
> Ontario has given me a jolt of positive energy and a boost
> to morale
> -- exactly what I need to continue searching the corn
> fields of
> Lancaster PA.
> 
> To see the full post about this exercise follow this link:
> 
> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/york-water-calibrated-stellar-photo/
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike Hankey
> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com
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From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 19 16:40:53 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:40:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	18, 2009 GRIMSBY METEORITE HUNT
Message-ID: <622037.15055.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Michael and List,

? Thanks so much, Michael J., for posting these pics for all the rest of us. If we can't actually be there, you allow us to at least join in the thrill of the hunt vicariously! I'm sure the rest of the List members share my appreciation for your great work for all of us. Thanks a lot, man, and please keep it up!? 

? Good luck to all you guys lucky enough to be able to be up there searching now. I wish success for each and every one of you. ( Besides, you guys CAN'T let Mike F. be the ONLY meteorite hunter to find one! Just think about how big his head might get if that were to happen!? ;-)? Just kidding, Mike. A big congrats to you, too, on that beautiful find. I KNOW that had to be a rush!

? Looking forward to more great "Rocks From Space Pics of the Day" -from Grimsby AND all over the world. 

? Sincerely,
? Robert Woolard? 

? ???
? 

--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Michael Johnson <rocksfromspace at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Johnson <rocksfromspace at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 18, 2009? GRIMSBY METEORITE HUNT
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:05 PM
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Grimsby-Meteorite.html
> 
> 
>? ? ???
> 
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From cdtucson at cox.net  Sat Oct 17 15:05:38 2009
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:05:38 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Me too ; visitor from space
In-Reply-To: <15127314.1255800075701.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20091017150538.IVRUB.668973.imail@fed1rmwml28>

List, 
This may or may not post to the list. Sometimes it takes days for my posts to post. 
I suppose this should go on record, even though not a great media story.
Back in November 8, 2008 the wife and I stopped at a yard sale. Just as we were pulling away from the side of the road something struck our car windshield. My first thought too was that someone had thrown something at our car. There were no others cars on the road either. I  immediately stopped the car and got out only to find that there was no one else in sight. At that point we both thought maybe it was a meteorite. So, after just seconds of looking I right away saw what had hit and caused damage to the windshield. There it was a lonesome .61 gram fully crusted meteorite. I did not have my GPS with me at the time but I still remember the house because the yard sale guy came out and asked what we were doing. He also looked around a bit but the thing being so small it did not keep his attention for long. It was at around 10 AM that Saturday morning .
I mentioned this to a few listees at the time but nobody thought much about it but now I thought since people ( sterling) are doing mathematical calc's about this sort of thing I thought I better report it here now. Please see pictures attached. No, it has never been seen by scientists yet. It does attract to a magnet though. Probably too small to even worry about but it is what it is. A windshield hammer. 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/13030472 at N07/sets/72157622480549073
I will head over there today to get the GPS co-ords. 
Thanks Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
(520) 979-9865
Meteoritemax


---- countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote: 
> The Grimsby Hammer publicity.
> 
> Does anyone think that publicity that includes speculations on the monetary value of meteorites is good for those of us who collect, trade, or study meteorites? (notice I left out sell). 
> 
> At least this article was written by a reporter who did not sensationalize the find. Mentioning that the type was probably quite common and that meteorites could range from a few dollars to thousands was refreshing. 
> 
> My point is that once it becomes apparent, through the mass media, to politicians and governing bodies, that we are making money finding and selling meteorites they instinctively move to put the fetters on. Government hates to see a commodity uncontrolled and untaxed. They don't give a damn about their scientific value. That's just lip service. Somebody picking up a rock in Australia, or Canada, or Africa just makes government minions grit their teeth. They don't want anyone...not even their own constituents, to make a buck without baksheesh to the state.
> 
> Look what has happened in just the last few years. Everywhere finds have been publicized, the state has moved quickly to pass laws so that they can control the possession of meteorites.
> 
> Publicity and avaracious politicians will bring the end to this List. No publicity is good publicity.
> 
> Best to all...good hunting,
> 
> Count Deiro  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> >Sent: Oct 17, 2009 12:47 PM
> >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby family shows off visitor from space
> >
> >Another one has been found:
> >
> >http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/655154
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 17:40:54 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:40:54 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Fresh (looking) Arizona Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000000B60000414B@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.000000B60000414B@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910191440v351e1783w93df0d6747abd3cc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Bernd wrote:

> Hi Ruben and List,
>
> Congrats on your latest find! If you had not written explicitly "south of Tucson",
> my first impression would have been that it might be a Franconia stone!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Bernd

I've had hundreds of visits to my website to see my latest find.
Thanks! But just in case others thought the same as Bernd I decided to
put up a page of comparison photos that compare my NEW arizona find
with other "known finds."

Look again and see what I'm talking about - in my opinion my New find
looks more like West, than Holbrook or Franconia.

http://www.mr-meteorite.net/comparisonpictures.htm


Ruben Garcia (Mr-Meteorite)

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Oct 19 18:36:56 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:36:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The 2009 Orionid Meteor Shower
Message-ID: <200910192236.n9JMau7Z012452@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/19oct_orionids.htm

The 2009 Orionid Meteor Shower
NASA Science Nwes
10.19.2009

October 19, 2009: The Orionid meteor shower peaks this week and it
could be a very good show.

"Earth is passing through a stream of debris from Halley's Comet, the
source of the Orionids," says Bill Cooke of NASA's Meteoroid Environment
Office. "Flakes of comet dust hitting the atmosphere should give us
dozens of meteors per hour."

The best time to look is
before sunrise on Wednesday, Oct. 21st. That's when Earth encounters the
densest part of Halley's debris stream. Observing is easy: Wake up a few
hours before dawn, brew some hot chocolate, go outside and look up. No
telescope is required to see Orionids shooting across the sky.

Orionids appear every year around this time when Earth orbits through an
area of space littered with debris from the ancient comet. Normally, the
shower produces 10 to 20 meteors per hour, a modest display. The past
few years, however, have been much better than usual.

"Since 2006, the Orionids have been one of the best showers of the year,
with counts of 60 or more meteors per hour," says Cooke.

According to Japanese meteor scientists Mikiya Sato and Jun-ichi
Watanabe, 2006 marked Earth's first encounter with some very old debris.
"We have found that the [elevated activity of 2006] was caused by dust
trails ejected from 1P/Halley in 1266 BC, 1198 BC, and 911 BC," they
wrote in the August 2007 edition of /Publications of the Astronomical
Society of Japan/. In their paper "Origin of the 2006 Orionid Outburst,"
Sato and Watanabe used a computer to model the structure and evolution
of Halley's many debris streams stretching back in time as far as 3400
years. The debris that hit Earth in 2006 was among the oldest they
studied and was rich in large fireball-producing meteoroids.

Repeat encounters produced good displays in 2007 and 2008???and "the
meteoroids are expected to approach Earth [again] in 2009," say Sato and
Watanabe. They note that these old broad streams tend to produce equally
broad showers, lasting several nights around the peak. So, if clouds
interfere on the 21st, try again on the 22nd or 23rd.

The phase of the Moon favors a good show. The Moon is almost new and
completely absent from the pre-dawn sky at the time of the shower's
peak. Bright moonlight will not be a problem.

Last but not least, the display will be framed by some of the prettiest
stars and planets in the night sky. In addition to Orionids, you'll see
brilliant Venus, red Mars, the dog star Sirius, and bright winter
constellations such as Orion, Gemini and Taurus. Even if the shower is a
dud, the rest of the sky is dynamite.

Set your alarm and enjoy the show.

Author: Dr. Tony Phillips <mailto:james.a.phillips at earthlink.net> |
Credit: Science at NASA <http://science.nasa.gov>



From bandk at chorus.net  Mon Oct 19 20:37:03 2009
From: bandk at chorus.net (Becky and Kirk)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:37:03 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: FOR SALE: Austrian Meteorite stamp & Micro's
	NWA3157, NWA3151 & NWA978
Message-ID: <BE74158042314BAA8B6A11464C5B3B07@owner55652f88b>

 Hi All,
 I have the following (3) meteorites for sale and also (1) Austrian 
Meteorite stamp. This stamp has the Meteorite bits in the stamp. They can be 
purchased  separately or as a group. I am also open to offers for these of 
course.

(1) Austrian Meteorite stamp. Has tiny bits of the Chondrite Meteorite 
imbedded in the tail of the Meteorite on the stamp! Very unique stamp from 
2006. Very good shape, kept in container.
($40.00 or BEST OFFER). FREE SHIPPING!

(2). NWA3157 Ungrouped Type 3 Chondrite .4 grams (TKW: a very rare 51.7g)
($40.00 or BEST OFFER) Comes in a gem jar with orig. ID card from the Adam
 Hupe collection. **A BEAUTIFUL PIECE**

 (3) NWA3151 Brachinite .163 grams (mostly small pieces, granules, etc.)
 ($15.00 or BEST OFFER) (Comes in a gem jar with an orig. ID card from the
 Adam Hupe collection. (TKW only 1,500 grams)
A MUST HAVE!!

(4) NWA978 R3.8 Chondrite .85 grams Rumurutite ($15.00 or BEST OFFER) Comes
 in a gem jar with the orig. ID card from the Adam Hupe collection. **A VERY
 NICE PIECE---LOTS OF VISIBLE  CHONDRULES**

 Please contact me off-list at: bandk at chorus.net.

Pics can be sent by request. Thank you much!
Kirk.......:-)







From bandk at chorus.net  Mon Oct 19 20:42:46 2009
From: bandk at chorus.net (Becky and Kirk)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:42:46 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: FOR SALE: Austrian Meteorite Stamp & Micro's
	NWA3157, NWA3151 & NWA978!
References: <990622.62393.qm@web36204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7024B0FC761545FDB41BDBFAF6CC5A24@owner55652f88b>

Hi All,
I have the following (3) meteorites for sale and also (1) Austrian
Meteorite stamp. This stamp has the Meteorite bits in the stamp. They can be
purchased  separately or as a group. I am also open to offers for these of
course.

(1) Austrian Meteorite stamp. Has tiny bits of the Chondrite Meteorite
imbedded in the tail of the Meteorite on the stamp! Very unique stamp from
2006. Very good shape, kept in container.
($40.00 or BEST OFFER). FREE SHIPPING!

(2). NWA3157 Ungrouped Type 3 Chondrite .4 grams (TKW: a very rare 51.7g)
($40.00 or BEST OFFER) Comes in a gem jar with orig. ID card from the Adam
 Hupe collection. **A BEAUTIFUL PIECE**

 (3) NWA3151 Brachinite .163 grams (mostly small pieces, granules, etc.)
 ($15.00 or BEST OFFER) (Comes in a gem jar with an orig. ID card from the
 Adam Hupe collection. (TKW only 1,500 grams)
A MUST HAVE!!

(4) NWA978 R3.8 Chondrite .85 grams Rumurutite ($15.00 or BEST OFFER) Comes
 in a gem jar with the orig. ID card from the Adam Hupe collection. **A VERY
 NICE PIECE---LOTS OF VISIBLE  CHONDRULES**

 Please contact me off-list at: bandk at chorus.net.

Pics can be sent by request. Thank you much!
Kirk.......:-) 



From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Mon Oct 19 23:52:29 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:52:29 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Day Three
Message-ID: <B45B175107B14751BA839BF64A105A09@Bandli1>

Hello All 

While we wish to report that we have had some success, such is not the case
but for the fact that we now know where the meteorite ARENT. No finds were
made today by any of the hunters. It is helpful, although disheartening,
information.

We started our day with Patrick Herrmann among some of the more residential
areas along the predicted line. The residents here are both interested and
accommodating, allowing us access in with a compliance rate of 100%. 

The afternoon was spent in one of the many vineyards with Mike Farmer and
Jim Strope followed by a meeting with the local news in which Farmer was
featured and a request was made for all the local citizens to check their
yards and contact the scientists from Western University if any stones are
found. While it would usually be commonplace for the dealers to request the
action, the fact of the matter is that science does not have a single
specimen to test at this point and science needs to be done.

We capped the evening at a local English restaurant and swapped stories.

As we close the day, two new pieces of information have come to light which
could put us on a new path.tomorrow will tell.

Rob and Mike



From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 00:38:35 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:38:35 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Fresh (looking) Arizona Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910191440v351e1783w93df0d6747abd3cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DIIE.000000B60000414B@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W18B6C5C51FA5C99EEBFCF0D2C00@phx.gbl>


 <80659e1a0910191440v351e1783w93df0d6747abd3cc at mail.gmail.com>
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=20
Rubin:
=20
Congratulations on your most recent find - Hopper must be bringing you luck=
.  In my experience you have to see the interior of the stone to determine =
if it is indeed fresh. I have found a few stones on lakebeds with a fresh l=
ooking fusion crust=2C but the interior has rust stains and is oxidized=3B =
one turned out to be W3 in classification. That said=2C it could be fresh a=
nd from a recent fall. You have more experience than me=2C so you should kn=
ow better than me. Looks like you may have to get it classified.
=20
BTW - on your other unique (possible achondrite) find in Arizona: does ther=
e appear to be oxidation (rust stains) in the interior.  I did not see any.=
  Perhaps it is from the picture.
=20
Good luck=2C
=20
Greg S.=20

> Date: Mon=2C 19 Oct 2009 14:40:54 -0700
> From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com
> To: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
> CC: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A New Fresh (looking) Arizona Meteorite
>=20
> Hi all=2C
>=20
> Bernd wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Ruben and List=2C
>>
>> Congrats on your latest find! If you had not written explicitly "south o=
f Tucson"=2C
>> my first impression would have been that it might be a Franconia stone!
>>
>> Best wishes=2C
>>
>> Bernd
>=20
> I've had hundreds of visits to my website to see my latest find.
> Thanks! But just in case others thought the same as Bernd I decided to
> put up a page of comparison photos that compare my NEW arizona find
> with other "known finds."
>=20
> Look again and see what I'm talking about - in my opinion my New find
> looks more like West=2C than Holbrook or Franconia.
>=20
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/comparisonpictures.htm
>=20
>=20
> Ruben Garcia (Mr-Meteorite)
>=20
> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=3Dmeteorfright#p/u
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 		 	   		 =20
_________________________________________________________________
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http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/=


From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 00:39:40 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:39:40 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Benson, AZ Fall
Message-ID: <SNT117-W18D0F340D7220E723A0745D2C00@phx.gbl>




List:

Does anyone know the classification of the Benson, AZ fall?

Greg S. 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/

From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 01:13:30 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:13:30 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A New Fresh (looking) Arizona Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W18B6C5C51FA5C99EEBFCF0D2C00@phx.gbl>
References: <DIIE.000000B60000414B@paulinet.de>
	<80659e1a0910191440v351e1783w93df0d6747abd3cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT117-W18B6C5C51FA5C99EEBFCF0D2C00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910192213o6570efdu69089ef134cd1570@mail.gmail.com>

Greg,
You are correct the exterior of a meteorite certainly doesn't always
tell whether a meteorite is truly fresh or not. That is why I said in
my original post it "Looks" fresh and not that it "was" fresh.

Dolores Hill (UofA) contacted me and it looks as if she may have some
non destructive tests that can tell us more. So far I have done
nothing to it, not even a window to peek inside.

Thanks,
Ruben


From majbaermann at web.de  Tue Oct 20 04:20:01 2009
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:20:01 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Day Three
References: <B45B175107B14751BA839BF64A105A09@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <0704BA4668384EBBAA3867F34696C184@thinkcentre>

Thank you, Rob and Mike, for sharing your experiences with us.

It's great to hear what's going on out there.

Wish you all success,

best regards,

Matthias Baermann


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Bandli" <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
To: "'Meteorite List'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:52 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Day Three


> Hello All
>
> While we wish to report that we have had some success, such is not the 
> case
> but for the fact that we now know where the meteorite ARENT. No finds were
> made today by any of the hunters. It is helpful, although disheartening,
> information.
>
> We started our day with Patrick Herrmann among some of the more 
> residential
> areas along the predicted line. The residents here are both interested and
> accommodating, allowing us access in with a compliance rate of 100%.
>
> The afternoon was spent in one of the many vineyards with Mike Farmer and
> Jim Strope followed by a meeting with the local news in which Farmer was
> featured and a request was made for all the local citizens to check their
> yards and contact the scientists from Western University if any stones are
> found. While it would usually be commonplace for the dealers to request 
> the
> action, the fact of the matter is that science does not have a single
> specimen to test at this point and science needs to be done.
>
> We capped the evening at a local English restaurant and swapped stories.
>
> As we close the day, two new pieces of information have come to light 
> which
> could put us on a new path.tomorrow will tell.
>
> Rob and Mike
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 



From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 20 09:17:17 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:17:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] tucson dates
Message-ID: <369652.12593.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.I need to know the precise dates of the tucson show so I can book my free roundtrip airfare.Please offlist and thanks.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 


From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 20 09:29:50 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (meteoritefinder at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:29:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Day Three
Message-ID: <519078.54765.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good morning Rob and Mike,

I want to echo the comments made by Matthias.  Thanks for taking the time to keep us all posted on the hunt.  Good luck today!

Best wishes,
Robert Woolard

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 19, 2009, at 10:52 PM, "Mike Bandli" <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote:

Hello All 

While we wish to report that we have had some success, such is not the case
but for the fact that we now know where the meteorite ARENT. No finds were
made today by any of the hunters. It is helpful, although disheartening,
information.

We started our day with Patrick Herrmann among some of the more residential
areas along the predicted line. The residents here are both interested and
accommodating, allowing us access in with a compliance rate of 100%. 

The afternoon was spent in one of the many vineyards with Mike Farmer and
Jim Strope followed by a meeting with the local news in which Farmer was
featured and a request was made for all the local citizens to check their
yards and contact the scientists from Western University if any stones are
found. While it would usually be commonplace for the dealers to request the
action, the fact of the matter is that science does not have a single
specimen to test at this point and science needs to be done.

We capped the evening at a local English restaurant and swapped stories.

As we close the day, two new pieces of information have come to light which
could put us on a new path.tomorrow will tell.

Rob and Mike

______________________________________________
http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list



      


From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 10:38:35 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:38:35 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Day Three
In-Reply-To: <0704BA4668384EBBAA3867F34696C184@thinkcentre>
References: <B45B175107B14751BA839BF64A105A09@Bandli1>
	<0704BA4668384EBBAA3867F34696C184@thinkcentre>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910200738u7d9ffb0k65a27c60f00dd49a@mail.gmail.com>

Rob, Mke B and Mike F,

Thanks for all your hard work out there! Keep it up to day could be
the day you guys break this thing wide open.

-- 
Ruben Garcia (Mr-Meteorite)

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Oct 20 12:41:06 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:41:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Team Runs Operational Test to Prepare for
	Extracting Spirit
Message-ID: <200910201641.n9KGf6SU006151@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-153  

Team Runs Operational Test to Prepare for Extracting Spirit
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
October 19, 2009

Engineers using test rovers on Earth to prepare for extracting the
sand-trapped Spirit rover on Mars have added a new challenge to their
preparations.

Until last week, the engineers commanding and assessing drives by the
test rovers were usually in the same room as the sandbox setup
simulating Spirit's predicament, where they can watch how each test
goes. That changed for the latest preparation, called an operational
readiness test.

The team members commanding drives by a test rover last week stayed away
from the building with the sandbox. They assessed the results of each
commanded drive only from the images and other data communicated from
the test rover, the same way the team does for daily operations of the
rovers that are on Mars.

"We conducted this round of testing under more flight-like conditions to
test the team's ability to make very complex extraction driving
decisions using only the data sent back from the rover," said Mars
Exploration Rover Project Manager John Callas of NASA's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

The test began on Oct. 12 and ran five days on an accelerated schedule
of two Martian days' worth of commanding every day. The rover team also
operated both Spirit and its twin, Opportunity, while conducting this
readiness test at JPL.

Spirit became embedded in soft soil at a site called "Troy" five months
ago, more than five years into a mission on Mars that was originally
scheduled to last for three months. The rover team suspended further
driving attempts with Spirit while evaluating possibilities from tests
performed at JPL simulating the Troy situation.

Current plans call for an independent panel to review Spirit driving
plans in late October, following analysis of results from the readiness
test. Unless that review recommends any further preparations, Spirit
will probably begin extraction moves within two weeks after the review.

Spirit has spent much of its time at Troy actively examining its
surroundings, including analysis of layered soil at the site. In
September, a new issue began affecting operations. Data from Spirit
indicated that a brake on the motor that rotates the rover's dish-shaped
high-gain antenna was not working correctly. The team has been getting
more diagnostic data and developing a work-around strategy similar to
work-arounds already used for rover-motor brakes that showed similar
symptoms earlier.

For more updates, please visit the Free Spirit site:
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/freespirit/




From damoclid at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 20 13:01:22 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:01:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] tucson dates
In-Reply-To: <369652.12593.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <979180.96286.qm@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I know Steve asked for this information off list but I figured other first time visitor's to Tucson in February may be interested to know the dates of the >> Forty Two << Tucson Shows inn 2010.

http://www.visittucson.org/visitor/events/gemshow/winter/


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Tue, 10/20/09, steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] tucson dates
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 6:17 AM
> Good morning list.I need to know the
> precise dates of the tucson show so I can book my free
> roundtrip airfare.Please offlist and thanks.
> ?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


      


From spacerox at verizon.net  Tue Oct 20 15:24:27 2009
From: spacerox at verizon.net (Rick Kujawa)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:24:27 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Precious metals from outer space
Message-ID: <BF7749CF-2528-4605-BCE9-73BBEA04EA87@verizon.net>

http://www.canada.com/technology/Earth+precious+metals+likely+from+outer+space+Study/2124570/story.html


From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 18:22:31 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:22:31 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] URL Change
Message-ID: <e51421550910201522o6066cad9w97a45657dea2c3ad@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

When I first started in meteorites, I was using my old astronomy
domain name "glassthrower.com".   Eventually I started using the
"galactic-stone.com" domain name and I let the glassthrower domain
expire - mainly because meteorites have eclipsed visual astronomy as
my main focus.

There are still some websites out there that have me linked via my old
URL (glassthrower.com/meteorites) - those links are now broken.  If
you have a link to my website using the old domain, please change the
link to my new URL - www.galactic-stone.com

I've tried to notify everyone that I can think of, but I know I have
overlooked a few.

Best regards,

MikeG





-- 
.........................................................
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Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone
eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle
..........................................................


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Tue Oct 20 21:58:42 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:58:42 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Trip Report Day 4 (a good one!)
Message-ID: <B5E900D170304CA0AAA359C12635E467@Bandli1>

Hello all

Today we did what we set out to do!

Late last night we got an email from Rob Matson, who can only be described
as a half man-half robot juggernaut of number crunching mojo. Taking into
consideration the all-sky camera network, Doppler radar, and jet stream
winds he proffered the simplified advice "Tilt the presumed fall pattern a
bit clockwise." While it was nerve-wracking to wander off the known path, we
had nothing to lose in trying so we set out after a quick stop to re-trace
the steps taken by the scientists at a possible greenhouse hammer location,
where there was a report of a broken ceiling window that coincided with the
day of the fall. We are almost certain a meteorite caused this, but a stone
is nowhere to be found!

Having no luck at the greenhouse, we proceeded to the 'Matson' location.
After hours of searching, we found ourselves footsore and hungry so we broke
from lunch. Arriving back to the spot after the carbs stared kicking in we
walked through a ditch to get back on the vineyard and there it was..a
complete 14.5 gram individual sitting in the dried mud. We had walked past
it on the way out, amazing what a belly full of food and a fresh start can
do.

This makes stone number four with countless man hours spent in the field.
The TKW now totals ~135 grams. With rain on the menu, and snow shortly on
the way, work must be done fast if there is any hope of recovery. The US
hunters are out the door tomorrow and much of the Canadians are headed home
as well.

We gridded like none other the rest of the day, among the vines and Bird
Blasters which are compressed air cannons that resonate like shotguns in
order to keep the birds away from the grapes. They fire and random intervals
and will scare the crap out of you if they go off anywhere near you.

We will hear those cannons tonight. We will see the vineyard rows behind our
closed eyes. We will dream of meteorites.

That was the only find of the day and the Scientists raced out to study our
find. We had much time to discuss the find and the event with Dr. Peter
Brown, Dr. Alan Hildebrand, and Calgary meteoritics student Ellen Millie.
Dr. Brown discussed the successes of the all-sky camera network in
predicting not only the fall area but where it fell from making this "The
most well documented bolide in history and to see the meteorite here makes
it all worthwhile."

It was lobster tonight for me; we all enjoyed an excellent celebratory meal.

Tomorrow is our last day before we out the lovely town of Grimsby in the
rearview mirror.

Here are some more pics:

http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/grimsby.html

Rob and Mike



From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 22:28:06 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:28:06 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Trip Report Day 4 (a good one!)
In-Reply-To: <B5E900D170304CA0AAA359C12635E467@Bandli1>
References: <B5E900D170304CA0AAA359C12635E467@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <e51421550910201928v2e36656ekac20c7f5e52491c4@mail.gmail.com>

Outstanding!

And a new documented "hammer" fall!  Sweet. :)

Congrats to all involved!



On 10/20/09, Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello all
>
> Today we did what we set out to do!
>
> Late last night we got an email from Rob Matson, who can only be described
> as a half man-half robot juggernaut of number crunching mojo. Taking into
> consideration the all-sky camera network, Doppler radar, and jet stream
> winds he proffered the simplified advice "Tilt the presumed fall pattern a
> bit clockwise." While it was nerve-wracking to wander off the known path, we
> had nothing to lose in trying so we set out after a quick stop to re-trace
> the steps taken by the scientists at a possible greenhouse hammer location,
> where there was a report of a broken ceiling window that coincided with the
> day of the fall. We are almost certain a meteorite caused this, but a stone
> is nowhere to be found!
>
> Having no luck at the greenhouse, we proceeded to the 'Matson' location.
> After hours of searching, we found ourselves footsore and hungry so we broke
> from lunch. Arriving back to the spot after the carbs stared kicking in we
> walked through a ditch to get back on the vineyard and there it was..a
> complete 14.5 gram individual sitting in the dried mud. We had walked past
> it on the way out, amazing what a belly full of food and a fresh start can
> do.
>
> This makes stone number four with countless man hours spent in the field.
> The TKW now totals ~135 grams. With rain on the menu, and snow shortly on
> the way, work must be done fast if there is any hope of recovery. The US
> hunters are out the door tomorrow and much of the Canadians are headed home
> as well.
>
> We gridded like none other the rest of the day, among the vines and Bird
> Blasters which are compressed air cannons that resonate like shotguns in
> order to keep the birds away from the grapes. They fire and random intervals
> and will scare the crap out of you if they go off anywhere near you.
>
> We will hear those cannons tonight. We will see the vineyard rows behind our
> closed eyes. We will dream of meteorites.
>
> That was the only find of the day and the Scientists raced out to study our
> find. We had much time to discuss the find and the event with Dr. Peter
> Brown, Dr. Alan Hildebrand, and Calgary meteoritics student Ellen Millie.
> Dr. Brown discussed the successes of the all-sky camera network in
> predicting not only the fall area but where it fell from making this "The
> most well documented bolide in history and to see the meteorite here makes
> it all worthwhile."
>
> It was lobster tonight for me; we all enjoyed an excellent celebratory meal.
>
> Tomorrow is our last day before we out the lovely town of Grimsby in the
> rearview mirror.
>
> Here are some more pics:
>
> http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/grimsby.html
>
> Rob and Mike
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>


-- 
.........................................................
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Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone
eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle
..........................................................


From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 23:10:34 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:10:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Trip Report Day 4 (a good one!)
In-Reply-To: <e51421550910201928v2e36656ekac20c7f5e52491c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B5E900D170304CA0AAA359C12635E467@Bandli1>
	<e51421550910201928v2e36656ekac20c7f5e52491c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910202010h1932c54apdfb7a55e0992202f@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations Rob!

I had a feeling you would find a meteorite today. Keep it up guys, who
knows, maybe tomorrow you'll all find one. Thanks again to the whole
crew out there for keeping us informed and doing the Lords work!

Good luck tomorrow!


From pshugar at clearwire.net  Wed Oct 21 00:06:52 2009
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:06:52 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re Meteorites and Magnets
Message-ID: <63A830AED2064A8393805D96394EF330@laptop>

I have done a lot of research and many experiments
and now I am about ready to write an article, proposing
a theory as to why meteorites are attracted to a magnet,
but the meteorite can't be made into a magnet.
Stay tuned........
Pete IMCA 1733



From rocksfromspace at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 00:43:11 2009
From: rocksfromspace at yahoo.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:43:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 21,
	2009
Message-ID: <512660.73282.qm@web113003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_21_2009.html



      



From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Wed Oct 21 00:36:25 2009
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:36:25 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re Meteorites and Magnets
References: <63A830AED2064A8393805D96394EF330@laptop>
Message-ID: <311279F24F9A448A9B09A229D9777163@bellatrix>

Meteorites are (often) attracted to magnets because they (often) contain 
highly ferromagnetic materials- mainly iron and nickel. Certainly, iron 
meteorites can be made strongly magnetic. I've got small samples that are 
magnetic enough to stick to steel plates, just from having a magnet rubbed 
against them. I'm sure that if you wanted to heat up an iron meteorite to 
its Curie point while in a magnetic field, you'd produce a fine permanent 
magnet. Most collectors aren't very interested in doing this experiment, 
however <g>.

Stone meteorites don't generally contain enough iron to have enough of a 
field to stick to something, but most stones will deflect a compass needle, 
demonstrating that they, too, can hold a permanent magnetic field.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete Shugar" <pshugar at clearwire.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re Meteorites and Magnets


>I have done a lot of research and many experiments
> and now I am about ready to write an article, proposing
> a theory as to why meteorites are attracted to a magnet,
> but the meteorite can't be made into a magnet.
> Stay tuned........
> Pete IMCA 1733



From majbaermann at web.de  Wed Oct 21 03:46:01 2009
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:46:01 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Trip Report Day 4 (a good one!)
References: <B5E900D170304CA0AAA359C12635E467@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <DBBE8CE3740E4C4E9BC65EA60AC2DDE5@thinkcentre>

Thanks again, Rob & Mike.

I rely on imagining the situation: "normal" environment, daily life around, 
but there must be something completely different ... and here it is! Must be 
breathtaking.

Wish you a successful approach to the main mass today ;-)

Best,

Matthias

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Bandli" <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
To: "'Meteorite List'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:58 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Trip Report Day 4 (a good one!)


> Hello all
>
> Today we did what we set out to do!
>
> Late last night we got an email from Rob Matson, who can only be described
> as a half man-half robot juggernaut of number crunching mojo. Taking into
> consideration the all-sky camera network, Doppler radar, and jet stream
> winds he proffered the simplified advice "Tilt the presumed fall pattern a
> bit clockwise." While it was nerve-wracking to wander off the known path, 
> we
> had nothing to lose in trying so we set out after a quick stop to re-trace
> the steps taken by the scientists at a possible greenhouse hammer 
> location,
> where there was a report of a broken ceiling window that coincided with 
> the
> day of the fall. We are almost certain a meteorite caused this, but a 
> stone
> is nowhere to be found!
>
> Having no luck at the greenhouse, we proceeded to the 'Matson' location.
> After hours of searching, we found ourselves footsore and hungry so we 
> broke
> from lunch. Arriving back to the spot after the carbs stared kicking in we
> walked through a ditch to get back on the vineyard and there it was..a
> complete 14.5 gram individual sitting in the dried mud. We had walked past
> it on the way out, amazing what a belly full of food and a fresh start can
> do.
>
> This makes stone number four with countless man hours spent in the field.
> The TKW now totals ~135 grams. With rain on the menu, and snow shortly on
> the way, work must be done fast if there is any hope of recovery. The US
> hunters are out the door tomorrow and much of the Canadians are headed 
> home
> as well.
>
> We gridded like none other the rest of the day, among the vines and Bird
> Blasters which are compressed air cannons that resonate like shotguns in
> order to keep the birds away from the grapes. They fire and random 
> intervals
> and will scare the crap out of you if they go off anywhere near you.
>
> We will hear those cannons tonight. We will see the vineyard rows behind 
> our
> closed eyes. We will dream of meteorites.
>
> That was the only find of the day and the Scientists raced out to study 
> our
> find. We had much time to discuss the find and the event with Dr. Peter
> Brown, Dr. Alan Hildebrand, and Calgary meteoritics student Ellen Millie.
> Dr. Brown discussed the successes of the all-sky camera network in
> predicting not only the fall area but where it fell from making this "The
> most well documented bolide in history and to see the meteorite here makes
> it all worthwhile."
>
> It was lobster tonight for me; we all enjoyed an excellent celebratory 
> meal.
>
> Tomorrow is our last day before we out the lovely town of Grimsby in the
> rearview mirror.
>
> Here are some more pics:
>
> http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/grimsby.html
>
> Rob and Mike
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 



From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk  Wed Oct 21 04:07:00 2009
From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:07:00 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Specimens from Iceland
Message-ID: <D7171847AEFC6A4893D80C75E547E27110048F@nmsmail02.nms2k.int>

Dear List Members

I apologise for taking you a little off-topic (like that's never
happened before!), but I would like to bring the following very
disturbing news to your attention. I know from chatting to many of you,
and I am thinking of people like Zelimir Gabelica, that not a few of you
are keen on collecting minerals, especially zeolites, so this may be of
interest to many of you out there. The message is:

"Dear Peter

Thank you for the information regarding the Meeting in Munich. Due to
teaching duties I will arrive only later in the afternoon and I am not
sure whether I can make it to the meeting.

However, I would like to ask you for a favour: I just got notice from a
Swiss geologist in Iceland (a former student of mine) that the Mineral
museum at Teigarhorn in Djupivogur (Berufjord), in the heart of the
zeolite find area, has recently been robbed and a significant number of
mineral specimens have been stolen.

http://www.mindat.org/mesg-56-156779.html

http://www.mbl.is/mm/frettir/innlent/2009/10/17/um_500_steinum_stolid_a_
teigarhorni/ (in Icelandic)

According to this report 500 pieces valued around 120'000 US$.

Christa Feucht is collecting any information regarding this incident for
the museum there.
Christa at feucht.ch
phone +354 8659857 (Iceland)
http://geothermal.is/employees/17

It would be great if you could circulate this information among the
members and perhaps mention this during the meeting.

I hope still to make it to the meeting.

With my best regards
Beda (Hofmann)
(Natural History Museum, Bern, Switzerland)"

I would ask all of you to keep your eyes and ears open and to alert the
authorities if you hear of anything. I would also ask you to please pass
this message on to other mineral collectors, dealers and curators you
may know.

Many thanks for your attention

Peter Davidson
Curator of Minerals
National Museums Collection Centre
National Museums Scotland
242 West Granton Road
Edinburgh
EH5 1JA
Phone: +44 131 247 4283
p.davidson at nms.ac.uk
www.nms.ac.uk
Salt of the Earth: famous faces with Scottish roots, photographed by Craig Mackay. National Museum of Scotland. Opening 16 October. 

www.nms.ac.uk/salt <http://www.nms.ac.uk/salt>


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Oct 21 04:03:43 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:03:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Trip Report Day 4 (a good one!)
In-Reply-To: <B5E900D170304CA0AAA359C12635E467@Bandli1>
References: <B5E900D170304CA0AAA359C12635E467@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <4ADEC05F.3080205@meteoritesusa.com>

A BIG congrats to Rob, Mike B,  Mike F, Jim and all,

Great job on the find to both Robs!

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA



Mike Bandli wrote:
> Hello all
>
> Today we did what we set out to do!
>
> Late last night we got an email from Rob Matson, who can only be described
> as a half man-half robot juggernaut of number crunching mojo. Taking into
> consideration the all-sky camera network, Doppler radar, and jet stream
> winds he proffered the simplified advice "Tilt the presumed fall pattern a
> bit clockwise." While it was nerve-wracking to wander off the known path, we
> had nothing to lose in trying so we set out after a quick stop to re-trace
> the steps taken by the scientists at a possible greenhouse hammer location,
> where there was a report of a broken ceiling window that coincided with the
> day of the fall. We are almost certain a meteorite caused this, but a stone
> is nowhere to be found!
>
> Having no luck at the greenhouse, we proceeded to the 'Matson' location.
> After hours of searching, we found ourselves footsore and hungry so we broke
> from lunch. Arriving back to the spot after the carbs stared kicking in we
> walked through a ditch to get back on the vineyard and there it was..a
> complete 14.5 gram individual sitting in the dried mud. We had walked past
> it on the way out, amazing what a belly full of food and a fresh start can
> do.
>
> This makes stone number four with countless man hours spent in the field.
> The TKW now totals ~135 grams. With rain on the menu, and snow shortly on
> the way, work must be done fast if there is any hope of recovery. The US
> hunters are out the door tomorrow and much of the Canadians are headed home
> as well.
>
> We gridded like none other the rest of the day, among the vines and Bird
> Blasters which are compressed air cannons that resonate like shotguns in
> order to keep the birds away from the grapes. They fire and random intervals
> and will scare the crap out of you if they go off anywhere near you.
>
> We will hear those cannons tonight. We will see the vineyard rows behind our
> closed eyes. We will dream of meteorites.
>
> That was the only find of the day and the Scientists raced out to study our
> find. We had much time to discuss the find and the event with Dr. Peter
> Brown, Dr. Alan Hildebrand, and Calgary meteoritics student Ellen Millie.
> Dr. Brown discussed the successes of the all-sky camera network in
> predicting not only the fall area but where it fell from making this "The
> most well documented bolide in history and to see the meteorite here makes
> it all worthwhile."
>
> It was lobster tonight for me; we all enjoyed an excellent celebratory meal.
>
> Tomorrow is our last day before we out the lovely town of Grimsby in the
> rearview mirror.
>
> Here are some more pics:
>
> http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/grimsby.html
>
> Rob and Mike
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>   



From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 08:36:27 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:36:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] tucson updates
Message-ID: <315714.2269.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hello list.I want to thank a few people who gave me the tucson updates.Another thing,who is all coming next year?The great thing about the longest and BIGGEST and BEST meteorite show in the world is the people who come.It's great to see old friends you see everyyear there,but it's the new ones who come for the first time.I think for all the 6 shows I've been to,I think 2010 might be one of the biggest yet.So who is all coming next year?All inquiring minds want to know.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 


From bristolia at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 10:59:30 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:59:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Recent Papers Related to the Younger Dryas Impact
	Hypothesis
Message-ID: <58959.77230.qm@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Two recent papers related to the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis are:

Woodman, N., and N. B. Athfiel, 2009, Post-Clovis survival of 
American Mastodon in the southern Great Lakes Region of North 
America. Quaternary Research. vol. 72, no. 3, pp. 359-363.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.yqres.2009.06.009

One statement in the paper is:

"Previous study of relative numbers of preserved spores of 
the dung fungus Sporormiella, used as a proxy for megafaunal 
biomass, suggests that populations of large mammals were in 
steep decline in northeastern North America before the onset 
of the YDC."

Another paper in the same issue is:

Newby, P., J. Bradley, A. Spiess, B. Shuman, and P. Leduc,
2009, A Paleoindian response to Younger Dryas climate change.
Quaternary Science Reviews. vol. 24, no. 1-2, pp. 141-154.
doi:10.1016/j.quascirev.2004.04.010 

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.quascirev.2004.04.010

Your,

Paul H.


      


From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 11:44:04 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (MEM)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:44:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Giant Impact Near India -- Not Mexico -- May Have
	Doomed Dinosaurs
Message-ID: <540670.46835.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

World's new largest impact crater just confirmed. 500km with a possibly 40km impactor

Giant Impact Near India -- Not Mexico -- May Have Doomed Dinosaurs.

<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091015102246.htm>
*Three-dimensional reconstruction of the submerged Shiva crater (~500 km
diameter) at the Mumbai Offshore Basin, western shelf of India from
different cross-sectional and geophysical data. The overlying 4.3-mile-tick Cenozoic strata and water column were removed to show the morphology of the crater. (Credit: Image courtesy of Geological Society Of America)*

Giant Impact Near India -- Not Mexico -- May Have Doomed Dinosaurs

ScienceDaily (Oct. 15, 2009) ? A mysterious basin off the coast of India
could be the largest, multi-ringed impact crater the world has ever seen. And if a new study is right, it may have been responsible for killing the dinosaurs off 65 million years ago.

Sankar Chatterjee of Texas Tech University and a team of researchers took a close look at the massive Shiva basin, a submerged depression west of India that is intensely mined for its oil and gas resources. Some complex craters are among the most productive hydrocarbon sites on the planet. Chatterjee will present his research at this month's Annual Meeting of the Geological Society of America in Portland, Oregon.

?If we are right, this is the largest crater known on our planet,?
Chatterjee said. ?A bolide of this size, perhaps 40 kilometers (25 miles) in diameter creates its own tectonics.?

By contrast, the object that struck the Yucatan Peninsula, and is commonly thought to have killed the dinosaurs was between 8 and 10 kilometers (5 and 6.2 miles) wide.

It's hard to imagine such a cataclysm. But if the team is right, the Shiva impact vaporized Earth's crust at the point of collision, leaving nothing but ultra-hot mantle material to well up in its place. It is likely that the impact enhanced the nearby Deccan Traps volcanic eruptions that covered much of western India. What's more, the impact broke the Seychelles islands off of the Indian tectonic plate, and sent them drifting toward Africa.

The geological evidence is dramatic. Shiva's outer rim forms a rough,
faulted ring some 500 kilometers in diameter, encircling the central peak, known as the Bombay High, which would be 3 miles tall from the ocean floor(about the height of Mount McKinley). Most of the crater lies submerged on India's continental shelf, but where it does come ashore it is marked by tall cliffs, active faults and hot springs. The impact appears to have sheared or destroyed much of the 30-mile-thick granite layer in the western coast of India.

The team hopes to go India later this year to examine rocks drill from the center of the putative crater for clues that would prove the strange basin was formed by a gigantic impact.

?Rocks from the bottom of the crater will tell us the telltale sign of the impact event from shattered and melted target rocks. And we want to see if there are breccias, shocked quartz, and an iridium anomaly,? Chatterjee said. Asteroids are rich in iridium, and such anomalies are thought of as the fingerprint of an impact.
------------ --------- ---------
*Adapted from materials provided by Geological Society Of
America<http://www.geosocie ty.org/>
*.

Geological Society Of America. "Giant Impact Near India -- Not Mexico -- May Have Doomed Dinosaurs." *ScienceDaily* 15 October 2009.16October 2009 <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091015102246.htm>.



From p.marmet at sunrise.ch  Wed Oct 21 11:53:05 2009
From: p.marmet at sunrise.ch (Peter Marmet)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:53:05 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?windows-1252?q?World=92s_first_phone_to_=93uti?=
	=?windows-1252?q?lize_the_compelling_beauty_of_meteorite=2E=94?=
Message-ID: <871799a20910210853t6fe4834bq55d87e6071ebe4f7@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.unwiredview.com/2009/10/19/mobiado-grand-350-pioneer-luxury-phone-pays-homage-to-nasa/


"What?s unique about the Mobiado Grand 350 Pioneer is that its battery
cover is literally made out
of materials from the Gibeon meteorite, discovered in Namibia in 1836.
The meteorite is believed
to come from asteroid belts near Mars and Jupiter; its composition is
90% iron and 8%nickel,
plus small traces of phosphorus and cobalt."

Peter


From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Wed Oct 21 11:43:26 2009
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:43:26 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Specimens from Iceland
In-Reply-To: <D7171847AEFC6A4893D80C75E547E27110048F@nmsmail02.nms2k.int
 >
References: <D7171847AEFC6A4893D80C75E547E27110048F@nmsmail02.nms2k.int>
Message-ID: <200910211547.n9LFlLPx030415@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Dear Peter, listees,

Indeed, this is a terrible news, a real shame!

What can be done ?

We, as collectors and mineral (zeolite) lovers 
should (must!) act, through one way or another.

Personally as a natural zeolite collector and 
lover, I am ready to transfer the news (Peter's 
mail) to anyone who might be concerned closely or from afar.
As an active member of the International Zeolite 
Association (IZA) and elected member of two IZA 
sub-commissions, namely the "Synthesis 
Commission" and "Natural Zeolite Commission", 
also as a member of the International Natural 
Zeolite Association (INZA), I will now promptly 
alert the heads or responsible persons of these associations about the theft.

Believing that the stolen specimens can (most 
probably will) also readily reach the various 
collector's markets (mineral shows), it could be 
advisable to contact the main 
responsibles/chairmen of the forthcoming  mineral show in Europe and elsewhere.
I am personally in regular contact with the 
organizers of the Europe's top Munich show (next 
edition: Oct 31, Nov 01, contacts: Johannes & 
Christoph Keilmann), The (biggest in Belgium) 
Liege mineral show (Nov 6-8, contact Roger 
Warin), the future Ste Marie-aux-Mines show (Euro 
Mineral Expo, June 24-27, 2010, Michel Schwab) 
and, with the help of many friends, I am ready to 
contact many other show organizers in Europe as well.

I believe our List members from overseas can do the same for the US shows.

Finally, I will contact editors of the main 
European mineralogical journals (I do regularly 
subscribe to many of them) and encourage them to put a related advertisement.

Museum curators are possible candidates for 
contacts so I believe Peter can help here, by 
alerting his colleagues (or providing the appropriate addresses).

It would be also appropriate that a list 
describing the stolen specimens, possibly with 
pictures, be somewhere available (Peter, is there 
a web site available anywhere ?).

Zeolites from Berufj?rdur (Teigarhorn national 
park) are old and very valuable classics, world 
renown as true zeolite references. I have the 
privilege to owe a few (old specimens with 
genuine 19th century labels, most acquired in the 
1980', 1990's from show dealers and originating 
from well known German and/or French 
mineralogical museum duplicates). They are 
considered among the most aesthetic of the 
zeolites in the mineral kingdom. Moreover, 
Teigarhorn is also the type locality of epistilbite.
I am convinced we really must do something very 
promptly to try to stop thieves from dispersing 
this world heritage throughout the "wild market".

Thank you very much Peter!

My best,

Zelimir


At 10:07 21/10/2009, Peter Davidson wrote:
>Dear List Members
>
>I apologise for taking you a little off-topic (like that's never
>happened before!), but I would like to bring the following very
>disturbing news to your attention. I know from chatting to many of you,
>and I am thinking of people like Zelimir Gabelica, that not a few of you
>are keen on collecting minerals, especially zeolites, so this may be of
>interest to many of you out there. The message is:
>
>"Dear Peter
>
>Thank you for the information regarding the Meeting in Munich. Due to
>teaching duties I will arrive only later in the afternoon and I am not
>sure whether I can make it to the meeting.
>
>However, I would like to ask you for a favour: I just got notice from a
>Swiss geologist in Iceland (a former student of mine) that the Mineral
>museum at Teigarhorn in Djupivogur (Berufjord), in the heart of the
>zeolite find area, has recently been robbed and a significant number of
>mineral specimens have been stolen.
>
>http://www.mindat.org/mesg-56-156779.html
>
>http://www.mbl.is/mm/frettir/innlent/2009/10/17/um_500_steinum_stolid_a_
>teigarhorni/ (in Icelandic)
>
>According to this report 500 pieces valued around 120'000 US$.
>
>Christa Feucht is collecting any information regarding this incident for
>the museum there.
>Christa at feucht.ch
>phone +354 8659857 (Iceland)
>http://geothermal.is/employees/17
>
>It would be great if you could circulate this information among the
>members and perhaps mention this during the meeting.
>
>I hope still to make it to the meeting.
>
>With my best regards
>Beda (Hofmann)
>(Natural History Museum, Bern, Switzerland)"
>
>I would ask all of you to keep your eyes and ears open and to alert the
>authorities if you hear of anything. I would also ask you to please pass
>this message on to other mineral collectors, dealers and curators you
>may know.
>
>Many thanks for your attention
>
>Peter Davidson
>Curator of Minerals
>National Museums Collection Centre
>National Museums Scotland
>242 West Granton Road
>Edinburgh
>EH5 1JA
>Phone: +44 131 247 4283
>p.davidson at nms.ac.uk
>www.nms.ac.uk
>Salt of the Earth: famous faces with Scottish 
>roots, photographed by Craig Mackay. National 
>Museum of Scotland. Opening 16 October.
>
>www.nms.ac.uk/salt <http://www.nms.ac.uk/salt>
>______________________________________________
>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>Meteorite-list mailing list
>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 



From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 12:41:10 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:41:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientists try to calm 2012 hysteria
Message-ID: <499826.39175.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Paul, all - 

What the scientists are dealing with is a well organized and networked industry. 

Copies of my guide inside the cult archaeology industry are available by writing to me for one.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      


From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 13:28:54 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:28:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] More on the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis
Message-ID: <451422.58342.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Paul - 

Thanks for keeping us updated on this. Undoubtedly some mammoth must have survived, but not enough to breed against hunting, hence the Indiana find.
While we see elk hunting after the impact in Ohio, the points are not fluted, if memory serves.

Once again, there is no reason for the peoples to have made up their stories of a massive impact unless one occurred. And when is NASA going to pitch any funds to those working on proving that an impact did occur? After the new IG gets in place, and looks at Griffin's ignoring the George Brown Jr. ammendment?

Sticking with the one ad a week rule, copies of my book "Man and Impact in the Americas" are available by sending $20 plus $5 for shipping in the US or plus $15 for shipping overseas to 

E.P. Grondine
P.O. Box 158 
Kempton, IL
60946

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      


From keithandana at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 12:25:08 2009
From: keithandana at gmail.com (Keith and Dana Jenkerson)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:25:08 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) Admire Pallasite Meteorite Slices!
Message-ID: <f9cf59510910210925w538fcae2m2e120682f8da65a3@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, Everybody!

  I wanted to let everyone know that we have some beautiful Admire
Pallasite Slices available. Here is the link to go to them:

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  There will be larger slices available in the future. If you have any
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From beachhunter1 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 19:01:50 2009
From: beachhunter1 at gmail.com (Colin Diggin)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:01:50 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test ...
Message-ID: <3141e65f0910211601i3d51147dvd4d8c50b64b76da9@mail.gmail.com>

Delete


From mexicodoug at aim.com  Wed Oct 21 18:59:37 2009
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:59:37 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Giant Impact Near India -- Not Mexico -- May
 Have Doomed Dinosaurs
In-Reply-To: <540670.46835.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <540670.46835.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC20B94C8B913E-A2C-C929@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com>

"encircling the central peak, known as the Bombay High, which would be 
3 miles tall from the ocean floor(about the height of Mount McKinley)."

Hi Elton, List,

Lots of creativity in this article; A better comparison would have been 
"almost half as high as Mauna Kea". By the same criterion they used 
they also could have said it is higher than Mount Everest.

In any case, India did it. Mexico would never kill off the Dinosaurs, 
the kids like them so much. Whether this works amounts to something 
important or not, it struck me (again) how the passage of time 
sometimes allows challenges and changes to thought about things that 
were incredibly obvious to those who demand answers. But then they can 
become uncomfortably complex ... adding grist to the scientific mill 
and giving all those Dino-deprived kids something to do when they grow 
up. That's better than eyes glazing over on textbooks or (Paleopedia) 
written in the prior century when the wild frontier of problems awaited 
conquest!

Kindest wishes,
Doug






-----Original Message-----
From: MEM <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
To: metlist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 10:44 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Giant Impact Near India -- Not Mexico -- May 
Have Doomed Dinosaurs



World's new largest impact crater just confirmed. 500km with a possibly 
40km
impactor

Giant Impact Near India -- Not Mexico -- May Have Doomed Dinosaurs.

<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091015102246.htm>
*Three-dimensional reconstruction of the submerged Shiva crater (~500 km
diameter) at the Mumbai Offshore Basin, western shelf of India from
different cross-sectional and geophysical data. The overlying 
4.3-mile-tick
Cenozoic strata and water column were removed to show the morphology of 
the
crater. (Credit: Image courtesy of Geological Society Of America)*

Giant Impact Near India -- Not Mexico -- May Have Doomed Dinosaurs

ScienceDaily (Oct. 15, 2009) ? A mysterious basin off the coast of India
could be the largest, multi-ringed impact crater the world has ever 
seen. And if
a new study is right, it may have been responsible for killing the 
dinosaurs off
65 million years ago.

Sankar Chatterjee of Texas Tech University and a team of researchers 
took a
close look at the massive Shiva basin, a submerged depression west of 
India that
is intensely mined for its oil and gas resources. Some complex craters 
are among
the most productive hydrocarbon sites on the planet. Chatterjee will 
present his
research at this month's Annual Meeting of the Geological Society of 
America in
Portland, Oregon.

?If we are right, this is the largest crater known on our planet,?
Chatterjee said. ?A bolide of this size, perhaps 40 kilometers (25 
miles) in
diameter creates its own tectonics.?

By contrast, the object that struck the Yucatan Peninsula, and is 
commonly
thought to have killed the dinosaurs was between 8 and 10 kilometers (5 
and 6.2
miles) wide.

It's hard to imagine such a cataclysm. But if the team is right, the 
Shiva
impact vaporized Earth's crust at the point of collision, leaving 
nothing but
ultra-hot mantle material to well up in its place. It is likely that 
the impact
enhanced the nearby Deccan Traps volcanic eruptions that covered much 
of western
India. What's more, the impact broke the Seychelles islands off of the 
Indian
tectonic plate, and sent them drifting toward Africa.

The geological evidence is dramatic. Shiva's outer rim forms a rough,
faulted ring some 500 kilometers in diameter, encircling the central 
peak, known
as the Bombay High, which would be 3 miles tall from the ocean 
floor(about the
height of Mount McKinley). Most of the crater lies submerged on India's
continental shelf, but where it does come ashore it is marked by tall 
cliffs,
active faults and hot springs. The impact appears to have sheared or 
destroyed
much of the 30-mile-thick granite layer in the western coast of India.

The team hopes to go India later this year to examine rocks drill from 
the
center of the putative crater for clues that would prove the strange 
basin was
formed by a gigantic impact.

?Rocks from the bottom of the crater will tell us the telltale sign of 
the
impact event from shattered and melted target rocks. And we want to see 
if there
are breccias, shocked quartz, and an iridium anomaly,? Chatterjee said.
Asteroids are rich in iridium, and such anomalies are thought of as the
fingerprint of an impact.
------------ --------- ---------
*Adapted from materials provided by Geological Society Of
America<http://www.geosocie ty.org/>
*.

Geological Society Of America. "Giant Impact Near India -- Not Mexico 
-- May
Have Doomed Dinosaurs." *ScienceDaily* 15 October 2009.16October 2009
<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091015102246.htm>.

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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 20:33:21 2009
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:33:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Auctions Ending Tonight
Message-ID: <93aaac890910211733y1f1a95b9s801252f18e2ff646@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
Those auctions I listed a while back are ending - tonight!

There are about five hours left at the moment on the following items:

1) A 2.06g Tamdakht fragment with a small patch of nicely textured
fusion crust.  This is the result of a larger stone's violent
encounter with earth - not overly impressive in itself, but when one
thinks about what led to its formation - kind of awesome.

2) A 9.4g fragment of NWA 1953.  This fragment represents about 1/7 of
the tkw, and has two large (3-4mm+) chondrules sticking out of it -
one of which is distincly green-grey in color.  It's a nice completely
desert-varnished fragment of a fairly low NWA number with a very low
total known weight.  There's a lot of fresh metal sticking out on the
bottom of the stone - I'm assuming this would be nice cutting
material.  Also, check out the chondrule-void - killer hole on one end of it.

3) A .2257g cut fragment of Paragould.  One of Nininger's first field
recoveries, and the largest witnessed fall at the time, Paragould is
one of the more historic American meteorites - second probably to
Weston, but significantly harder to acquire - and nicer, in my
opinion.

4) A 6.2g end-cut of NWA 1696 - again, a low tkw meteorite with a
pretty low NWA number.  Also note - a weathering grade of one, and a
breccia of both unequilibrated and equilibrated material.  Pretty neat
stone, a good example of a chondrite and of a breccia.  While it isn't
the largest piece I will be listing, it is certainly the least-weathered.


All are visible at the following link:

http://shop.ebay.com/calimeteoritefinder/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686

Thanks,
Jason


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Oct 21 20:37:58 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:37:58 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Irons & Tektites
Message-ID: <4ADFA966.8090900@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi List,

This is my ad for this week. I'll be placing another ad on Sunday for 
next week as well, since I have some new material coming in.

I've got some beautifully sculpted Canyon Diablo Irons and some 
wonderfully shaped indochinite tektites as well. There's some bargains 
available too on the more "normal" looking irons.

Check them out:

Canyon Diablo Iron Meteorites: 
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/iron-meteorites-for-sale.htm

Tektites: http://www.meteoritesusa.com/tektites-for-sale.htm

Multiple Item Orders Get Discounts!
Free Shipping Inside USA On Orders Over $50

Thanks and enjoy!

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
904-236-5394

P.S. I have more than this so if there's something specific you're 
looking for please let me know.

P.P.S. Send me an email off-list if you'd like to know what I'm getting in.


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Wed Oct 21 22:30:35 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:30:35 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Trip Report Day 5
Message-ID: <D8704892CCBC4E86B26D52D0F3DC3749@Bandli1>

Hello all

Writing now from Buffalo, New York. Grimsby is in the books for Mike and me
but some of the local scientists and collectors will soldier on and we wish
them all the best.

Today was part hunting and part "to do" list.

We said our goodbyes to Dr's Hildebrand, McCausland, and Brown at the front
desk of our hotel where we found the local paper handy will full color page
one (and two) news covering the finds so far.

Bandli and I set out to a local vineyard to search a few rows before we were
met by Mike Farmer, Jim Stope and Patrick Herrmann. Light rain was on and
off.

We broke for lunch and set out our separate ways as Jim and Mike were headed
to the airport and Patrick had to be home for another obligation.

After lunch we went to the news office for more papers where showed off our
stone and talked some more with the reporter who ended up hunting at the
vineyard later that day. Next was the post office to send the stone to a
contact in Canada while we decide what to do with it. Again, the folks at
the counter were interested. Photos at the Grimsby sign were next followed
by a few more hours of unsuccessful hunting.

No finds were made by any teams as far as I know. The next few days are
rain.

We want to thank the people of Grimsby who were all exceedingly friendly and
accommodating, especially the folks at Puddicombe Farms. We look forward to
drinking the wine from the vineyard we are now all so familiar with.

Until the next fall we can get to, may it come soon and to a town near all
of us.

Rob and Mike




From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 21 23:16:32 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:16:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The bleeding edge
Message-ID: <220538.35942.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Darren - 

I'm real sorry that that sale of the piece of the stolen Native American meteorite did not go as planned, but I still think that Rich is looking at secondary impacts.

How you got hold of my off list personal reply to him is puzzling to me right now. 

E.P.




      


From fujmon at mac.com  Wed Oct 21 22:46:12 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:46:12 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Trip Report Day 5
In-Reply-To: <D8704892CCBC4E86B26D52D0F3DC3749@Bandli1>
References: <D8704892CCBC4E86B26D52D0F3DC3749@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <3CD78B9E-9F28-4E64-8B03-8BCD432B85FC@mac.com>

Mahalo for your updates Rob and Mike.  Through the pictures and  
postings, I had a glimpse into what it was like to be on the ground in  
Grimsby, hunting for those elusive black stones.  And although it  
would have been nice to have found scads more, at least you have one  
recovered meteorite and that must feel real good (or at least better  
than being skunked).

The best of luck to the scientists and hunters still in the field, and  
safe travels for you and Mike as you find your way home.

gary

On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Mike Bandli wrote:

> Hello all
>
> Writing now from Buffalo, New York. Grimsby is in the books for Mike  
> and me
> but some of the local scientists and collectors will soldier on and  
> we wish
> them all the best.
>
> Today was part hunting and part "to do" list.
>
> We said our goodbyes to Dr's Hildebrand, McCausland, and Brown at  
> the front
> desk of our hotel where we found the local paper handy will full  
> color page
> one (and two) news covering the finds so far.
>
> Bandli and I set out to a local vineyard to search a few rows before  
> we were
> met by Mike Farmer, Jim Stope and Patrick Herrmann. Light rain was  
> on and
> off.
>
> We broke for lunch and set out our separate ways as Jim and Mike  
> were headed
> to the airport and Patrick had to be home for another obligation.
>
> After lunch we went to the news office for more papers where showed  
> off our
> stone and talked some more with the reporter who ended up hunting at  
> the
> vineyard later that day. Next was the post office to send the stone  
> to a
> contact in Canada while we decide what to do with it. Again, the  
> folks at
> the counter were interested. Photos at the Grimsby sign were next  
> followed
> by a few more hours of unsuccessful hunting.
>
> No finds were made by any teams as far as I know. The next few days  
> are
> rain.
>
> We want to thank the people of Grimsby who were all exceedingly  
> friendly and
> accommodating, especially the folks at Puddicombe Farms. We look  
> forward to
> drinking the wine from the vineyard we are now all so familiar with.
>
> Until the next fall we can get to, may it come soon and to a town  
> near all
> of us.
>
> Rob and Mike
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
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105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From beachhunter1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 00:03:44 2009
From: beachhunter1 at gmail.com (Colin Diggin)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:03:44 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Trip Report Day 5
In-Reply-To: <D8704892CCBC4E86B26D52D0F3DC3749@Bandli1>
References: <D8704892CCBC4E86B26D52D0F3DC3749@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <3141e65f0910212103i4cca005dh9f7b509cb9bcf23e@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be out hunting in the Grimsby area tomorrow and then again over
the weekend.
Thanks for all your updates and pics.

Colin


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello all
>
> Writing now from Buffalo, New York. Grimsby is in the books for Mike and me
> but some of the local scientists and collectors will soldier on and we wish
> them all the best.
>
> Today was part hunting and part "to do" list.
>
> We said our goodbyes to Dr's Hildebrand, McCausland, and Brown at the front
> desk of our hotel where we found the local paper handy will full color page
> one (and two) news covering the finds so far.
>
> Bandli and I set out to a local vineyard to search a few rows before we were
> met by Mike Farmer, Jim Stope and Patrick Herrmann. Light rain was on and
> off.
>
> We broke for lunch and set out our separate ways as Jim and Mike were headed
> to the airport and Patrick had to be home for another obligation.
>
> After lunch we went to the news office for more papers where showed off our
> stone and talked some more with the reporter who ended up hunting at the
> vineyard later that day. Next was the post office to send the stone to a
> contact in Canada while we decide what to do with it. Again, the folks at
> the counter were interested. Photos at the Grimsby sign were next followed
> by a few more hours of unsuccessful hunting.
>
> No finds were made by any teams as far as I know. The next few days are
> rain.
>
> We want to thank the people of Grimsby who were all exceedingly friendly and
> accommodating, especially the folks at Puddicombe Farms. We look forward to
> drinking the wine from the vineyard we are now all so familiar with.
>
> Until the next fall we can get to, may it come soon and to a town near all
> of us.
>
> Rob and Mike
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>


From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Oct 22 01:01:04 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:01:04 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Late Heavy Bombardment-- astroids, not comets
In-Reply-To: <D8704892CCBC4E86B26D52D0F3DC3749@Bandli1>
References: <D8704892CCBC4E86B26D52D0F3DC3749@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <jlpvd5t99st22rqjadrtobtfit6nnku70m@4ax.com>

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/3085/full


News
Jupiter shift pelted inner planets with asteroids
Wednesday, 21 October 2009

by Holly Hight
Cosmos Online

PORTLAND, OREGON: A shift in Jupiter's orbit early in the life of the Solar
System dislodged thousands of rocks from the Asteroid Belt, causing them to hit
the inner planets, including Earth.

Evidence for this cataclysmic bombardment comes from a reanalysis of lunar rocks
brought back by the Apollo astronauts and a careful study of lunar craters, said
David Kring, a planetary geologist at the Lunar and Planetary Institute in
Houston, Texas.

Kring presented his findings this week at the Geological Society of America's
annual meeting in Portland, USA.

Ancient cataclysm

Popularly known as the Late Heavy Bombardment, the cataclysm occurred during a
relatively short period of time - just 100 million years or so - representing a
spike in the number of large objects hitting the Earth, Moon, Mercury, Mars, and
Venus.

"Samples taken from the Apollo mission showed that a large number of impact
melts (lavas created by impacts) were generated at the same time," said Kring.

Moon rocks held in storage for more than four decades were restudied with
21st-century technologies to better date impact events during the cataclysm. "We
now understand impact rocks better," said Kring. "Forty years ago, when we went
to the Moon, we didn't know whether all the circular features were volcanic or
impact craters. Until we got those samples [from Apollo], we didn't have any
experience with impact craters."

Smoking gun

These techniques allow radiometric age dating, such as argon dating, with
smaller samples than before, effectively increasing the number of possible
tests. These tests (and others on asteroid fragments that have fallen to Earth
as meteors) revealed that the bombardment came from asteroids, not comets as
originally thought.

This is significant because an asteroid bombardment suggests an inner Solar
System cataclysm and not something that came from beyond the asteroid belt.
"Geochemical fingerprints point to asteroids," said Kring.

The scientists also calculated the size of the asteroids that formed lunar
craters known to be from the Late Heavy Bombardment, which occurred
approximately 3.9 billion years ago.

They then compared these to the size of the asteroids in the asteroid belt. The
conclusion: "The size distribution of craters on the Moon suggests the impacting
objects came from the Asteroid Belt," said Kring.

Models suggest a change in Jupiter's orbit would generate the resonances needed
to knock the asteroids off-course. "We now have increasing evidence in support
of the hypothesis that the giant planets' orbits have shifted over their
history," said Renu Malhotra, a planetary scientist at the University of Arizona
in Tucson.

Adds Kring: "The data tells us that asteroids were the dominant source. And for
the asteroids to move, Jupiter would have had to have moved."



From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk  Thu Oct 22 04:07:37 2009
From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:07:37 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Specimens from Iceland
Message-ID: <D7171847AEFC6A4893D80C75E547E27110049E@nmsmail02.nms2k.int>

Zelimir

Thank you for your message. We too have a large collection of Icelandic zeolite specimens, some of which are from Berufj?rdur. 

I will be travelling to the Munich Show next week. Every year we have a meeting of European Mineral curators which I organise. It is always a good chance to meet with old friends, and make new ones. Are you going? 

I have been a friend of Hannes and Hermi Keilmann of the Munich Show for many years now. I think I will contact them and also Rainer Bode who is involved in organising the Hamburg Show. This is a good idea - thank you.

I have posted the message to mineral curators in the SMMP (Society of Mineral Museum Professionals) and the UK mailing group Geo-curators. I would urge curators in all countries to alert their national organisations.

We live in a very sad World when this sort of thing can happen. But it is worse when you think that there is probably a ready market for the specimens.

Best Wishes

Peter Davidson
Curator of Minerals
 
National Museums Collection Centre
National Museums Scotland
242 West Granton Road
Edinburgh
EH5 1JA
Phone: +44 131 247 4283
p.davidson at nms.ac.uk
www.nms.ac.uk
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Zelimir Gabelica [mailto:Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr] 
Sent: 21 October 2009 16:43
To: Peter Davidson; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Specimens from Iceland

Dear Peter, listees,

Indeed, this is a terrible news, a real shame!

What can be done ?

We, as collectors and mineral (zeolite) lovers 
should (must!) act, through one way or another.

Personally as a natural zeolite collector and 
lover, I am ready to transfer the news (Peter's 
mail) to anyone who might be concerned closely or from afar.
As an active member of the International Zeolite 
Association (IZA) and elected member of two IZA 
sub-commissions, namely the "Synthesis 
Commission" and "Natural Zeolite Commission", 
also as a member of the International Natural 
Zeolite Association (INZA), I will now promptly 
alert the heads or responsible persons of these associations about the theft.

Believing that the stolen specimens can (most 
probably will) also readily reach the various 
collector's markets (mineral shows), it could be 
advisable to contact the main 
responsibles/chairmen of the forthcoming  mineral show in Europe and elsewhere.
I am personally in regular contact with the 
organizers of the Europe's top Munich show (next 
edition: Oct 31, Nov 01, contacts: Johannes & 
Christoph Keilmann), The (biggest in Belgium) 
Liege mineral show (Nov 6-8, contact Roger 
Warin), the future Ste Marie-aux-Mines show (Euro 
Mineral Expo, June 24-27, 2010, Michel Schwab) 
and, with the help of many friends, I am ready to 
contact many other show organizers in Europe as well.

I believe our List members from overseas can do the same for the US shows.

Finally, I will contact editors of the main 
European mineralogical journals (I do regularly 
subscribe to many of them) and encourage them to put a related advertisement.

Museum curators are possible candidates for 
contacts so I believe Peter can help here, by 
alerting his colleagues (or providing the appropriate addresses).

It would be also appropriate that a list 
describing the stolen specimens, possibly with 
pictures, be somewhere available (Peter, is there 
a web site available anywhere ?).

Zeolites from Berufj?rdur (Teigarhorn national 
park) are old and very valuable classics, world 
renown as true zeolite references. I have the 
privilege to owe a few (old specimens with 
genuine 19th century labels, most acquired in the 
1980', 1990's from show dealers and originating 
from well known German and/or French 
mineralogical museum duplicates). They are 
considered among the most aesthetic of the 
zeolites in the mineral kingdom. Moreover, 
Teigarhorn is also the type locality of epistilbite.
I am convinced we really must do something very 
promptly to try to stop thieves from dispersing 
this world heritage throughout the "wild market".

Thank you very much Peter!

My best,

Zelimir


At 10:07 21/10/2009, Peter Davidson wrote:
>Dear List Members
>
>I apologise for taking you a little off-topic (like that's never
>happened before!), but I would like to bring the following very
>disturbing news to your attention. I know from chatting to many of you,
>and I am thinking of people like Zelimir Gabelica, that not a few of you
>are keen on collecting minerals, especially zeolites, so this may be of
>interest to many of you out there. The message is:
>
>"Dear Peter
>
>Thank you for the information regarding the Meeting in Munich. Due to
>teaching duties I will arrive only later in the afternoon and I am not
>sure whether I can make it to the meeting.
>
>However, I would like to ask you for a favour: I just got notice from a
>Swiss geologist in Iceland (a former student of mine) that the Mineral
>museum at Teigarhorn in Djupivogur (Berufjord), in the heart of the
>zeolite find area, has recently been robbed and a significant number of
>mineral specimens have been stolen.
>
>http://www.mindat.org/mesg-56-156779.html
>
>http://www.mbl.is/mm/frettir/innlent/2009/10/17/um_500_steinum_stolid_a_
>teigarhorni/ (in Icelandic)
>
>According to this report 500 pieces valued around 120'000 US$.
>
>Christa Feucht is collecting any information regarding this incident for
>the museum there.
>Christa at feucht.ch
>phone +354 8659857 (Iceland)
>http://geothermal.is/employees/17
>
>It would be great if you could circulate this information among the
>members and perhaps mention this during the meeting.
>
>I hope still to make it to the meeting.
>
>With my best regards
>Beda (Hofmann)
>(Natural History Museum, Bern, Switzerland)"
>
>I would ask all of you to keep your eyes and ears open and to alert the
>authorities if you hear of anything. I would also ask you to please pass
>this message on to other mineral collectors, dealers and curators you
>may know.
>
>Many thanks for your attention
>
>Peter Davidson
>Curator of Minerals
>National Museums Collection Centre
>National Museums Scotland
>242 West Granton Road
>Edinburgh
>EH5 1JA
>Phone: +44 131 247 4283
>p.davidson at nms.ac.uk
>www.nms.ac.uk
>Salt of the Earth: famous faces with Scottish 
>roots, photographed by Craig Mackay. National 
>Museum of Scotland. Opening 16 October.
>
>www.nms.ac.uk/salt <http://www.nms.ac.uk/salt>
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Salt of the Earth: famous faces with Scottish roots, photographed by Craig Mackay. National Museum of Scotland. Opening 16 October. 

www.nms.ac.uk/salt <http://www.nms.ac.uk/salt>


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Thu Oct 22 07:42:59 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:42:59 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Article
Message-ID: <F124ABFD2E1A4743B04912E83549F9DD@Bandli1>

http://www.niagarathisweek.com/news/communities/Regional/article/283476



-----------------------------------
Mike Bandli
Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA?#5765
-----------------------------------------------




From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 22 11:25:52 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:25:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Achondrites, Thin sections and more.
Message-ID: <403958.88392.qm@web46408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all,hope all is good for everyone today!
Its been 10 days since my last AD... thought I would give a few deals.

Camel Donga thin sections - $50 each today only - 2 left.
Lunar and Martian Displays sets, $40.00 Today only.
20 Lunar micro displays for $210 (less then $11 per display!)

Some really nice ebay listings (check out my Campo fish!!!)

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1

I will always consider reasonable offers for off ebay sales of any buy it now item.
I offer very good service and ship most items same day sale is made.
Thanks for looking!

Greg C.
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA 4682




      


From mmurray at montrose.net  Thu Oct 22 14:31:52 2009
From: mmurray at montrose.net (Michael Murray)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:31:52 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] holey iron batman
Message-ID: <50C281AC-56C7-4337-B4C3-C63992430CB6@montrose.net>

HI List,
This little suspect iron passes my home do-it-yourselfer tests.  If it  
is a meteorite, I'd say it's a bit unusual in that it is very thin,  
maybe 2 or 3 mm at the thickest.  Course though, it is also very  
small.   field of view for this picture through the scope is about 10  
mm.  Thought you might like to see the picture.  Reminds me of a bat  
wing.

<http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/mmurray_02/IMG_1107.jpg>

Mike in CO


From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Thu Oct 22 16:46:03 2009
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (meteoriteshow at free.fr)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:46:03 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending on Saturday
Message-ID: <1256244363.4ae0c48b53a6a@imp.free.fr>

Dear Fellow Listees,


Our ebay auctions ending on Saturday can be seen at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZmeteoriteshow

They include:

1- Ain Ouinet (unclass.) CV3 - 4.3g partslice
Partslice #2, weighing 4.3g, dimensions ~35x28x2mm.
Diplays nice CAIs and many sharpely defined chondrules.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330367376043

2- CHERGACH H5 - 8.8g frag - WITNESSED FALL!
Fragment weighing 8.8g, dimensions: 23x22x13mm.
Approximately 50% Fusion Crusted
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330367378213

3- DaG 557 - CM2 - 2.10g partslice
PARTSLICE weighing 2.10g, dimensions 31x10x4 to 5mm
Quite FRESH CM2 (W2), it displays nice BLACK FUSION CRUST on the edge.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330367378750

4- DaG 570 - L4/5 - 430.5g ENDCUT
ENDCUT weighing 430.5g, dimensions 98x60x52mm
With Fusion Crust relics (see pictures).
THE 2 LAST PICTURES SHOW THE 2 AVAILABLE ENDCUTS TOGETHER
ONLY THE 430.5g PIECE IS OFFERED IN THIS AUCTION, BUT THE MAIN MASS IS ALSO
OFFERED THE SAME WEEK IN ANOTHER AUCTION.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330367381013

5- DaG 570 - L4/5 - 734g MAIN MASS
MAIN MASS, endcut weighing 734g, dimensions 96x72x66mm
With Fusion Crust relics (see pictures).
THE 2 LAST PICTURES SHOW THE 2 AVAILABLE ENDCUTS TOGETHER
ONLY THE 430.5g PIECE IS OFFERED IN THIS AUCTION.
THE OTHER PART OF DAG 570 IS ALSO OFFERED THE SAME WEEK IN ANOTHER AUCTION.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330367382548

6- ZAG H3-6 - 15.5g endcut - WITNESSED FALL!
Endcut weighing 15.5g, Dimensions: 33x21x14mm
Displays the usual 2 lithologies of ZAG.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330367382958

Thank you very much for watching and best wishes to ALL BIDDERS!!!
Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)


From daniel_wray at comcast.net  Thu Oct 22 19:27:02 2009
From: daniel_wray at comcast.net (Dan Wray)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:27:02 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] holey iron batman
References: <50C281AC-56C7-4337-B4C3-C63992430CB6@montrose.net>
Message-ID: <D9A9DADAAEA84CD69C7FB16AC9B9B1D0@DAN1>

Mike,

Where are you in CO.  We could run it thru the XRF at School of Mines 
Museum.

Dan Wray
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Murray" <mmurray at montrose.net>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:31 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] holey iron batman


> HI List,
> This little suspect iron passes my home do-it-yourselfer tests.  If it  is 
> a meteorite, I'd say it's a bit unusual in that it is very thin,  maybe 2 
> or 3 mm at the thickest.  Course though, it is also very  small.   field 
> of view for this picture through the scope is about 10  mm.  Thought you 
> might like to see the picture.  Reminds me of a bat  wing.
>
> <http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/mmurray_02/IMG_1107.jpg>
>
> Mike in CO
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 23 01:28:08 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:28:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay Top Rated seller program... no/poor sales?
Message-ID: <399653.89868.qm@web46401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Off topic a bit...

I am wondering how many of you are aware of ebays new TRS program?

Do you use it when making purchases? Does it factor in to who you buy from?
Do you use the search feature that excludes everyone but the Top Rated Sellers?

I am wondering because while I qualify (I actually had the badge for 11 days) it has vanished and all ebay can tell me is its an error that others are experiencing. 

For the 11 days I had it, my sales were well over $xxxx for those 11 days.
Since it "got lost" I have done less then $xxx in sales over the last 12 days.

I have 100% positive feedback and 4.9 to 5.0 seller ratings (almost perfect) and do my best to make sure everyone is happy with the transaction. 
Is it just me or has anyone else seen a very large drop in ebay sales? (at fixed price, not auction - I am not a real high volume dealer so .99 auctions really kill me) 

I really think the TRS badge has something to do with this massive drop in sales. I have never had such a bad run. ever. I was a bit above normal sales for the first 11 days of the month, then everything just died.
On the flip side, my website has done very well this month...

Sorry for the off topic post, I need to find out where/what I need to make changes, if I even need to. 

I know many here sell on ebay with good results and I did also, up until this ebay "glitch" I was doing very well, always within a hundred bucks or so each month. I am way off (almost 70%) this month!

Any input/advice?

Off list please, no need to flood the metlist with too much about this off topic post.

Greg C.
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com




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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Fri Oct 23 08:29:22 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:29:22 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Who will come to Munich?
Message-ID: <003401ca53dc$73c60bf0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

It's time for the Munich show!

Who will be there?

Martin



From fujmon at mac.com  Fri Oct 23 12:07:14 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:07:14 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay auction ending Sat, Oct 24, 10 PDT
Message-ID: <A7A66C86-3B0D-49EB-9F8A-CCEF376C2D87@mac.com>

I?m having a great Rocktober, and am offering some Rockin' deals on  
meteorites on ebay, with auctions ending tomorrow, Saturday Rocktober  
24 starting at 10 PDT.  Here's my lineup for this week?s offerings:

NWA x  26.49g  Nice complete unclassified chondrite-Bid at 30?/g
NWA x  39.78g  Gorgeous, dark fusion crust-still at 24?/g!
Bassikounou H5, 7.99g  99% fresh FC, nice shape-currently at $8.49!
Chergach H5, 11.37g  99% dark FC, a beautiful specimen currently at $1/g
Allende CV3, 5.46g  oriented w/ layered lipping, flowlines on leading  
edge
NWA x CV3, 18.2g  unusual foil or wing shape, fresh w/ no cracks
Camel Donga Euc, 4.97g flowlines on glossy, black FC!
Millbillillie Euc, 13.85g Eucrite perfection 100% glossy FC-Bid at $7/g
NWA x Pal, 13.2g  polished endcut of a hot desert pallasite-Bid at $5.50
Sulagiri LL6, 2.87g  fresh, crusted partslice of rare fall of India
Mantle Xenolith, 101g  lava scoria w/ olivine inclusion, natural break

http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html

Preview of Oct 31 auction: NWA x 300g, NWA 869 68.87g cherry lot, a  
perfect Bassi, Chergach 15.89g, Allende 9.7g, NWA x CV3 36.3g, Camel  
Donga 2.45g pea, Millbillillie 60.8g, Sulagiri 3.67g crusted  
partslice, Sikhote Alin 16.4g oriented, and yet another Mantle Xenolith!

Trust the Big Kahuna to provide the highest quality meteorites for the  
lowest prices!

Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From marcin at meteoryt.net  Fri Oct 23 12:29:07 2009
From: marcin at meteoryt.net (Marcin Cimala)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:29:07 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Who will come to Munich?
References: <003401ca53dc$73c60bf0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <60FC154BA5A2474EA38214BF37B6E1B8@polandmezrd5i9>

> It's time for the Munich show!
> Who will be there?
> Martin

Let's guess, You ? :D

Then me also

anyone want big morasko ? 
More than 5.5kg then ask me in Munich.

-----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)polandmet.com
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) kosmos
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From meteorites at online.nl  Fri Oct 23 12:34:33 2009
From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:34:33 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Cape york on Ebay
Message-ID: <5D0530A3242B48BFAB3B45B2872027B0@laptop>

Listoids,

Cape York slice 495 grams on Ebay and ending in one day.

Low reserve!!

Here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cape-York-Iron-Meteorite-Etched-Slice-495-grams_W0QQitemZ170397514353QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ac7bba71

Cheers,
Jan.
IMCA 9833. 



From meteorites at online.nl  Fri Oct 23 12:47:44 2009
From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:47:44 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cape York wrong link
Message-ID: <CF13DC9A430F4BB580E4538367EC2C07@laptop>

OOPS !!
Oh  well.....just stupid ...right?!


From yellowengine at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 23 12:33:03 2009
From: yellowengine at earthlink.net (RJP)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:33:03 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Large Brenham Slice
Message-ID: <23344391.1256315583984.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Is anyone interested in a large, thin slice of the Brenham (PAL)? I would like to sell this 195g collection piece for $975 OBO. Must sell. 

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2960659510104513749IsuNnU?vhost=outdoors

Please contact me off-list if interested. Thanks!

Kind Regards,

Ryan Pawelski


From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Fri Oct 23 13:37:33 2009
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:37:33 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Pultusk slices
Message-ID: <34135ed$12a57781$237851c1$@com>

I've recently acquired and sliced 2 Pultusk stones that were recent finds 
by a Polish hunter.

9g
12g
30g
65g

All at $8/g which is well below the $12-15 that one normally sees.

3 more slices coming.

-mt



From rocksfromspace at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 23 16:39:10 2009
From: rocksfromspace at yahoo.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:39:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 23,
	2009
Message-ID: <410848.37448.qm@web113003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_23_2009.html


      



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 23 17:13:21 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:13:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 21, 2009
Message-ID: <200910232113.n9NLDLfi024097@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
October 21, 2009

o Exposure of South Polar Layered Deposits
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_004650_0975

o Eroded Layered Deposits Near Ismenius Lacus
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014414_2205

o Aeolian Dune Monitoring Site
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014413_2065
 
o Dune Monitoring
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014401_1360

o Light and Dark-Toned Material Interaction
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014287_1685 

o Context for MOC Image E13-01405 View of Gullied Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014266_1385


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 23 17:15:42 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:15:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 19-23, 2009
Message-ID: <200910232115.n9NLFg3l025311@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
October 19-23, 2009

o Russell Crater Dunes (19 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091019a

o Rabe Crater Dunes (20 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091020a

o Rabe Crater Dunes (21 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091021a

o Terra Cimmeria Dunes (22 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091022a

o Terra Cimmeria Dunes (23 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091023a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 





From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 23 17:15:56 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:15:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: October 19-23, 2009
Message-ID: <200910232115.n9NLFufb025336@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
October 19-23, 2009

o Russell Crater Dunes (19 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091019a

o Rabe Crater Dunes (20 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091020a

o Rabe Crater Dunes (21 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091021a

o Terra Cimmeria Dunes (22 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091022a

o Terra Cimmeria Dunes (23 October 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091023a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 





From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 23 17:07:57 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:07:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid Impactor Reported over Indonesia
Message-ID: <200910232107.n9NL7v1T023072@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news165.html

Asteroid Impactor Reported over Indonesia
Don Yeomans, Paul Chodas, Steve Chesley
NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
October 23, 2008

On October 8, 2009 about 03:00 Greenwich time, an atmospheric fireball
blast was observed and recorded over an island region of Indonesia. The
blast is thought to be due to the atmospheric entry of a small asteroid
about 10 meters in diameter that, due to atmospheric pressure, detonated
in the atmosphere with an energy of about 50 kilotons (the equivalent of
50,000 pounds of TNT explosives).

The blast was recorded visually and reported upon by local media
representatives. See the YouTube video at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeQBzTkJNhs&videos=jkRJgbXY-90

A report from Elizabeth Silber and Peter Brown at the University of
Western Ontario indicates that several international very-long
wavelength infrasound detectors recorded the blast and fixed the
position near the coastal city of Bone in South Sulawesi, island of
Sulewesi. They note that the blast was in the 10 to 50 kT range with the
higher end of this range being more likely.

Assuming an estimated size of about 5-10 meters in diameter, we would
expect a fireball event of this magnitude about once every 2 to 12 years
on average. As a rule, the most common types of stony asteroids would
not be expected to cause ground damage unless their diameters were about
25 meters in diameter or larger.

A more extensive report by Elizabeth Silber and Peter Brown of the
University of Western Ontario is here.

------------------------------------------------------------------------


Summary of Preliminary Infrasonic Analysis of the Oct 8, 2009
Indonesian Superbolide

Elizabeth Silber and Peter Brown
Meteor Infrasound group
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy,
Univ. of Western Ontario
London, ON
N6A 3K7
CANADA

Released: October 19, 2009

On Oct 8, 2009, media reports appeared in the local press in Indonesia
concerning a loud air blast occurring near 11am local time (0300 UT).
Subsequent to these first media reports, additional English language
reports appeared suggesting the event was meteoritic.

http://thejakartaglobe.com/home/mysterious-explosion-panics-locals-in-south-sulawesi-police-still-investigating/334246

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/10/08/blast-may-be-result-falling-space-waste-or-meteorite-lapan.html

Indonesian language reports more clearly identify a bright fireball,
accompanied by an explosion and lingering dust cloud as the origin of
the air blast. Finally, a YouTube video posted on the same day appears
to show a large dust cloud consistent with a bright, daylight fireball.

http://www.surya.co.id/2009/10/09/ledakan-misterius-guncang-sulsel.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeQBzTkJNhs&videos=jkRJgbXY-90

Based on these initial reports, a detailed examination was made of all
International Monitoring System (IMS) infrasound stations of the
Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO). From this
initial examination, a total of 11 stations showed probable signals from
a large explosion centered near 4.5S, 120E, with an origin time near
0300 UT on Oct 8, 2009, consistent with the media reports. This signal
was notable for having been (a) detected at many IMS stations, including
five at ranges over 10,000 km (and one at a nearly 18,000 km range) and
(b) being confined to very low frequencies. Both of these observations
suggest the explosion source was of very high total energy. All signal
motions were between 0.27 - 0.32 km/s, consistent with stratospheric
signal returns.

We have used the Air Force Technical Application Centre (AFTAC)
period-yield relation as described by ReVelle (1997) as the most robust
basic indicator of source energy. To generate measured periods, the
average periods of all phase-aligned stacked waveforms at each station
were measured, according to the technique described in Edwards et al
(2006). These periods were then averaged to produce a single, global
average period of 13.4 sec and the AFTAC yield relation applied; this
produced an average source yield of 31 kT of TNT. Averaging the
individual yields from all stations produces a mean source energy near
50 kT of TNT while using only the eight stations having the highest
signal-to-noise-ratio (SNR) and using the local observed periods of the
waveform at maximum amplitude produces a yield estimate of 40 kT of TNT,
all of which are basically consistent. It is important to note, however,
that the standard deviation of this measurement is nearly 30 kT. That
is, the best source energy estimate would be 40 +/- 30 kT TNT. Note that
much of this variation may be due to the signal emanating from different
portions of the fireball trail as observed at different stations; each
period measurement is a "sample" of the size of the cylindrical blast
cavity at that particular segment of the trail detected by any one
station. As such, the out of atmosphere yield for this event is likely
higher than these measurements suggest - very probably in the ~50 kT range.

The yield estimates based on infrasonic amplitude are very uncertain in
this instance as the propagation distances are much larger than is
typical and outside the range limits where such relations have been
developed (e.g. Edwards et al, 2006) and hence the period relationship
(which was generated using a dataset of nuclear explosions having yields
in this range) is more applicable.

Some examples of the detected and processed waveforms are shown in the
appendix.

Based on these infrasound records, it appears that a large (40-50 kT
TNT) bolide detonation occurred near 0300 UT on Oct 8, 2009 near the
coastal city of Bone in South Sulawesi, Indonesia. The infrasonic
geolocation is not precise enough to determine if the bolide was over
water or land, but it was relatively near the coast.

Follow-on observations from other instruments or ground recovery efforts
would be very valuable in further refining this unique event.

Using an average impact velocity for NEAs of 20.3 km/s, the energy
limits (10 - 70 kT) suggested by this analysis correspond to an object
5-10 m in diameter. Based on the flux rate from Brown et al (2002), such
objects are expected to impact the Earth on average every 2 - 12 years

*References*

Brown P., Spalding R.E., ReVelle D.O., Tagliaferri E. and Worden S.P.
2002. The flux of small near-Earth objects colliding with the Earth,
Nature, 420, 314-316.

Edwards W.N., Brown P.G., ReVelle D.O., 2006. Estimates of Meteoroid
Kinetic Energies from Observations of Infrasonic Airwaves, Journal of
Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, 68: 1136-1160.

ReVelle D.O. 1997. Historical Detection of Atmospheric Impacts by Large
Bolides using Acoustic-Gravity Waves, Annals of the New York Academy of
Sciences, Near-Earth Objects - The United Nations International
Conference, editor J.L. Remo, New York Academy of Sciences, 822, 284-302.

*Appendix : Example waveform detections.*

In each of the following the infrasound signals across each station have
been array processed in windows (typically of 30-60 second length) to
search for coherent signals with consistent back-azimuth measurements.
The top panel in each display is the F-statistic, a measure of the
relative coherency of the signal across the array elements in any
particular window (essentially a SNR measure). The second window shows
the apparent trace velocity of the acoustic signal across the array in
the direction of the peak F-stat. Similarly, the third plot shows the
best estimate for the signal back-azimuth in the direction of maximum
F-stat for each window. The fourth plot shows the raw pressure signal
for one array element bandpassed according to the chosen Low - High
frequency combination, shown in the boxes of the lower plot.

[graphic]
Signal as detected at IS05AU (Australia) as a range of 5000 km - the
green area highlights the airwave signal

[graphic]
Signal as detected at IS07AU (Australia) from a range of 2300 km.

[graphic]
Signal as detected at IS13CL (Easter Island) at 13500 km range showing a
distinct signal with a dominant period near 16.5 seconds.



From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 23 17:22:26 2009
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:22:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA xxxx165 update
Message-ID: <557707.78934.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Here is a nice lithology map that was made up for the latest NWA I am having tested and classified (the nice black crusted 165g NWA im selling)

Keep in mind this is still preliminary and may change as more data is gathered. 

I know many want to learn more about testing and classification process, this will kind of give you an idea of how it starts. 

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/LithologyMap.jpg

Some of you already have purchased samples of this from me, I will try to update as I am able to.

Hope everyone is having a good day!

Greg C.
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA 4682


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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 23 17:23:03 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:23:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Mission to Study the Moon's Fragile
	Atmosphere (LADEE)
Message-ID: <200910232123.n9NLN3ip027700@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/23oct_ladee.htm

NASA Mission to Study the Moon's Fragile Atmosphere
NASA Science News
10.23.2009

Oct. 23, 2009: Right now, the Moon is a ghost town. Nothing stirs.
Here and there, an abandoned Apollo rover - or the dusty base of a lunar
lander - linger as silent testimony to past human activity. But these
days, only occasional asteroid impacts disrupt the decades-long spell of
profound stillness.

And this stillness presents scientists with an important opportunity.

Currently, the Moon's tenuous atmosphere is relatively undisturbed. But
that won't be true for long. NASA is planning to return people to the
Moon, and human activity will kick up dust, expel rocket exhaust, and
release other gaseous emissions into the lunar atmosphere. Because the
atmosphere is so thin, these disturbances could quickly swamp its
natural composition.

If scientists are ever to know the lunar atmosphere in a relatively
natural state, now is the time to look. So researchers are building a
probe called the Lunar Atmosphere and Dust Environment Explorer (LADEE)
that will orbit the Moon and measure its wispy atmosphere better than
ever before.

"It's important that we understand it in its pristine state before
there's much perturbation," says Anthony Colaprete of NASA's Ames
Research Center in Moffett Field, California. "It's such a fragile
system. It's possible that it will be hard to study once humans are once
more living and working on the Moon."

*Thinner than thin*

Right about now, you might be thinking to yourself: "Hold on a second. I
thought the Moon doesn't have an atmosphere!" And you would be almost
correct. The Moon's "atmosphere" is so tenuous that it's technically
considered an exosphere, not an atmosphere.

"It's not anything like an atmosphere we would think of," Colaprete
says. For example, a cubic centimeter of Earth's atmosphere at sea level
contains about 100 billion /billion/ molecules. That same volume of the
Moon's exosphere contains only about 100 molecules.

In fact, that's so thin that molecules in the lunar exosphere almost
never collide with each other. Rather than constantly ricocheting off
each other to create a cohesive, swarming mass of molecules as happens
in Earth's atmosphere, molecules in the lunar exosphere fly unimpeded,
like microscopic cannon balls following curved, ballistic trajectories.

And the weirdness of the exosphere doesn't stop there. During the lunar
night, the Moon's exosphere mostly falls to the ground. (Just imagine if
our atmosphere fell to the ground at night!) When sunlight returns, the
solar wind kicks up new particles to replenish the exosphere.

Also, intense ultraviolet sunlight kicks electrons off particles in the
lunar soil, giving those particles an electric charge that can cause
them to levitate. Ambient electric fields lift these charged dust
particles as high as kilometers above the surface, forming an important
part of the exosphere.

Lunar astronauts will have to live and work in this bizarre environment,
so scientists want a better picture of the exosphere and its odd
behaviors. Levitating dust can get into equipment, spacesuits, and
computers, causing damage and shortening the hardware's useful life. In
fact, moondust wrecked havoc with the Apollo spacesuits, which were
nearly threadbare by the time they returned to Earth. Knowing how much
dust is floating around in the exosphere and how it behaves will help
engineers design next-generation lunar hardware.

After it launches in 2012, LADEE's spectrometers and dust detectors will
measure the concentrations of 18 different chemicals in the exosphere,
including methane and water vapor. These sensors will document how those
chemicals vary, both from place to place and over time.

Beyond the inherent scientific value of understanding the
chemical makeup of the Moon's exosphere, knowing how chemicals move
within the exosphere could help answer a question of keen interest to
future human habitants: How could the Moon have frozen reserves of water?

Evidence suggests that the Moon might harbor stores of ice in deep, dark
polar craters. On the lunar surface, fierce sunlight would quickly
sublimate any ice and the vapors would drift off into space. But a deep
dark crater, combining unimaginable cold with an absence of sunlight,
could provide a safe-haven for frozen water.

A popular idea is that icy comets brought water to the Moon in a series
of ancient impacts. But there's a problem: Even if a comet landed in one
of those dark polar craters by sheer luck, the heat of impact would
evaporate most of the ice. So how could significant amounts of ice
accumulate?

The Moon's exosphere could help.

Suppose a comet hits the Moon and leaves some H_2 O molecules on the
exposed surface. That water could survive by, essentially, leaping to
safety. Water molecules could "jump" across the lunar surface by
escaping into the exosphere and later be recaptured by the surface as
the exosphere breathes in and out. Individual water molecules could move
around in this way until they land in one of the dark polar craters,
where they would accumulate as solid ice.

Data from LADEE should show whether this "jumping" process works in a
way that could explain how cometary ice could have found its way into
those craters. "We can estimate the likelihood that the water on the
Moon is cometary in origin," Colaprete says.

So much information from such a trifling amount of atmosphere! Stay
tuned for results from LADEE.

Author: Patrick Barry | Editor: Dr. Tony Phillips
Credit: Science at NASA



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Oct 23 17:28:20 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:28:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update: October 15-21, 2009
Message-ID: <200910232128.n9NLSK5r029007@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE:  Antenna Back to Normal Use - sols 2056-2062, 
Oct.  15-21, 2009:

Spirit has recovered from X-band fault and is using her steerable
high-gain antenna (HGA) normally.

The clearing of the X-band fault was to occur on Sol 2056 (Oct. 15,
2009), but a Deep Space Network (DSN) station outage at the last minute
prevented the commands from reaching the rover.

On Sol 2058 (Oct. 17, 2009), the commands were successfully sent to the
rover that cleared the X-band and HGA errors and resumed normal HGA
X-band operation. Spirit went on to conduct several days of Moessbauer
(MB) spectrometer integration on the surface target "Thoosa" and to
search for dust devils with the navigation camera (Navcam).

On Sol 2059 (Oct. 18, 2009), more panoramic camera (Pancam) images of
"Scamander Plains" were collected along with miniature thermal emission
spectrometer (Mini-TES) observations of the target "Pioneer." Early in
the morning of Sol 2061 (Oct. 20, 2009), the rover woke up to
characterize the Tstat box. On that sol, Spirit also collected another
11-frame microscopic imager (MI) mosaic of the underbelly of the rover
and set up for more MB integration on Thoosa.

As of Sol 2062 (Oct. 21, 2009), Spirit's solar-array energy production
is 410 watt-hours, with an atmospheric opacity (tau) of 0.570 and a dust
factor of 0.594. Total odometry remains at 7,729.97 meters (4.80 miles).

------------------------------------------------------------------------

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE:  A Meteorite Called 'Mackinac' - sols 2036-2042,
Oct. 15-21, 2009:

Opportunity surveyed another meteorite and has been driving ambitiously
to the west and south to get around a field of large ripples. On Sol
2038 (Oct. 17, 2009), Opportunity circumnavigated a meteorite called
"Mackinac," conducting mid-drive imagery of the rock, then drove away
covering about 70 meters (230 feet) to the southwest.

On Sol 2040 (Oct. 19, 2009), the rover drove approximately 72 meters
(236 feet) to the southwest. It completed a similar 71-meter (233-foot)
drive on the next sol, again to the southwest.

Motor currents in the right-front wheel continue to remain well behaved.
The rover commands the miniature thermal emission spectrometer
(Mini-TES) elevation mirror open each sol in an attempt to clear some of
the putative dust off the elevation mirror. To date, no improvement in
the Mini-TES has been observed.

As of Sol 2042 (Oct. 21, 2009), Opportunity's solar-array energy
production is 430 watt-hours, with an atmospheric opacity (tau) of 0.586
and a dust factor of 0.5575. Total odometry is 18,322.03 meters (11.39
miles).



From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Fri Oct 23 21:47:27 2009
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:47:27 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Correction Pultusk Slices
Message-ID: <3f53c470$6a098f70$6e02f4b4$@com>

Forgot to add the link, whoops!

http://outofabluesky.com/index.php?option=com_jportfolio&cat=4&project=45&It
emid=58

>I've recently acquired and sliced 2 Pultusk stones that were recent finds
> by a Polish hunter.
>
> 9g
> 12g
> 30g
> 65g
>
> All at $8/g which is well below the $12-15 that one normally sees.
>
> 3 more slices coming.



From JPBrockets at aol.com  Fri Oct 23 22:25:42 2009
From: JPBrockets at aol.com (JPBrockets at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:25:42 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - NWA 065 H5
Message-ID: <d0a.5b66af18.3813bfa6@aol.com>

Dear List Members:

For those who possibly  have an interest please take a look.   Thanks.

http://cgi.ebay.com/12-8-Gram-NWA-065-H5-Meteorite-Found-July-2000-Morocco_W
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2

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jpbrockets at aol.com   



From fujmon at mac.com  Fri Oct 23 22:32:26 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:32:26 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid Impactor Reported over Indonesia
Message-ID: <84A684D6-154C-43AE-9D78-79D132F7714C@mac.com>

Asteroid Impactor Reported over Indonesia

Don Yeomans, Paul Chodas, Steve Chesley
NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
October 23, 2008

On October 8, 2009 about 03:00 Greenwich time, an atmospheric fireball  
blast was observed and recorded over an island region of Indonesia.  
The blast is thought to be due to the atmospheric entry of a small  
asteroid about 10 meters in diameter that, due to atmospheric  
pressure, detonated in the atmosphere with an energy of about 50  
kilotons (the equivalent of 50,000 pounds of TNT explosives).

The blast was recorded visually and reported upon by local media  
representatives. See the YouTube video at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeQBzTkJNhs&videos=jkRJgbXY-90

A report from Elizabeth Silber and Peter Brown at the University of  
Western Ontario indicates that several international very-long  
wavelength infrasound detectors recorded the blast and fixed the  
position near the coastal city of Bone in South Sulawesi, island of  
Sulewesi. They note that the blast was in the 10 to 50 kT range with  
the higher end of this range being more likely.

Assuming an estimated size of about 5-10 meters in diameter, we would  
expect a fireball event of this magnitude about once every 2 to 12  
years on average. As a rule, the most common types of stony asteroids  
would not be expected to cause ground damage unless their diameters  
were about 25 meters in diameter or larger.

A more extensive report by Elizabeth Silber and Peter Brown of the  
University of Western Ontario is here: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news165.html

Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Sat Oct 24 09:53:35 2009
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:53:35 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] Who will come to Munich?
In-Reply-To: <003401ca53dc$73c60bf0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
References: <003401ca53dc$73c60bf0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <20091024155335.aw45ei8ceukgwgcs@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi Martin,

It is currently very hard for me to find time to attnd that  
fascinating show. I haven't been there since...1988.

However, I am presently being arranging a short (3 days) research stay  
with my collaborating scientific staff at the Helmholtz Institute  
(Neuherberg, very close to Munich), where we study....Meteorites.

If my coming there succeeds (I'll know next Monday but chances are  
fairly high), I am planning to be, with some German  
friends/colleagues, at the show only on Friday (GEOFA), but  
unfortunately not for the traditional dinner you are certainly willing  
to organize (we have already scheduled a dinner party at Helmholtz on  
Friday and on Saturday morning, I have a return train to Mulhouse).

I am therefore anxious to see many of you, our current Ensisheim  
guests (and everyone else) during Friday (I believe chances to meet  
are high in the "Halle 6A"?).
After all, Bayern beer should be at least as good as in Alsace (though  
never as delicius as the "worst Belgian lager" (hi, hi I know that you  
know that I am sometimes as provocative as you!).

My best,

Zelimir

PS: Martin, is there a need for a specific invitation to attend only  
on Friday (that is the "dealer's day) ?



Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> a ??crit??:

> It's time for the Munich show!
>
> Who will be there?
>
> Martin
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 24 10:58:50 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:58:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] munich show
Message-ID: <951684.32511.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi all.I am using my brothers computer because mine decided to go away again.It would be great to come to munich,but with no vacation time from my new (4 months now) I cannot make it.But sometime my wife and I want to come there for octoberfest.I hear it's the best in the world.And with both of us being german,it would be a great fit.To all who go,have a great time.Also just a side note.I just my new meteorite tatoo.It is awesome looking.Once my computer is back up,pics upon request.Have a great day from cold?and rainy chicago.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 


From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Sat Oct 24 12:04:08 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:04:08 +0200
Subject: [meteorite-list] munich show
In-Reply-To: <951684.32511.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <951684.32511.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01ca54c3$9edb5290$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Yes, the Munich octoberfest was always ranking in the top-twenties of the
octoberfests.



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve
arnold
Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Oktober 2009 16:59
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] munich show

Hi all.I am using my brothers computer because mine decided to go away
again.It would be great to come to munich,but with no vacation time from my
new (4 months now) I cannot make it.But sometime my wife and I want to come
there for octoberfest.I hear it's the best in the world.And with both of us
being german,it would be a great fit.To all who go,have a great time.Also
just a side note.I just my new meteorite tatoo.It is awesome looking.Once my
computer is back up,pics upon request.Have a great day from cold?and rainy
chicago.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 
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From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Sat Oct 24 13:05:39 2009
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:05:39 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Larry Lebofsky contact me
Message-ID: <7d13bb93$783df40c$6eea8b88$@com>

Your email bounces each time I tried. Contact me using another email.





From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Sat Oct 24 14:00:25 2009
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:00:25 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Polishing with Vibrating Laps
Message-ID: <1e9607b9$1cf1eb06$1a28fbf6$@com>

Has anyone successfully found a workable technique to polish using alcohol 
and a vibrating lap?

And does anyone polish irons using a chloride free oil and a vib. lap?

-mt



From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 24 17:00:47 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:00:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite tattoo
Message-ID: <927801.95535.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I got my computer working.You now can view my new meteorite tattoo on my homepage of my website.3 hours to do at $200 from literaly scratch is was done.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 


From wahlperry at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 19:28:59 2009
From: wahlperry at aol.com (wahlperry at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:28:59 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Nick Gesslers new contact info
Message-ID: <8CC2318E595E81D-63D8-18B9D@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>

Hi ,

would anyone have Nick Gesslers new contact info?  Could you email off 
list.

Thanks,

Sonny




From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 24 21:37:51 2009
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:37:51 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite tattoo
In-Reply-To: <927801.95535.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <927801.95535.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT102-W421E08B6E62FB9C7EF3FF6A2BB0@phx.gbl>


Steve
 
Grats on the tat. I have a few. They are memories of a time when my older siblings generously offered to scar my hide just to see if they could talk me into it and they did. I haven't added to my portfolio since I was sixteen. My siblings are gone now but the tats of course remain. 
 
Sometimes I find them amusing and other times I have to say whyTF did I do that? My only excuse was that I was very young :P Long live the ancient art, whatever it means to you.
 
Bill
 


> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:00:47 -0700
> From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite tattoo
> 
> Hi list.I got my computer working.You now can view my new meteorite tattoo on my homepage of my website.3 hours to do at $200 from literaly scratch is was done.
>  Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! 
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From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 24 22:20:14 2009
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:20:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 12 kilos orionted thumberprinted;
Message-ID: <165296.21471.qm@web62004.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

hi all

?a? great 12 kilos , enjoy the photo

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/


thanks


aziz habibi



      


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 24 22:23:57 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:23:57 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite tattoo
References: <927801.95535.qm@web57802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<SNT102-W421E08B6E62FB9C7EF3FF6A2BB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CEC35C7603D54774A179353DCF18A2C0@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, Permanently Painted People,

Oetzi, the Ice Man, who is 5300 years old and
was found frozen in a glacier on the Italian-Austrian
border in 1991, has tats. Lots of tats. 57 of them.

See:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/10023606.html
and
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/07/17/iceman-tattoos.html


Sterling K. Webb
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To: <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite tattoo


>
> Steve
>
> Grats on the tat. I have a few. They are memories of a time when my 
> older siblings generously offered to scar my hide just to see if they 
> could talk me into it and they did. I haven't added to my portfolio 
> since I was sixteen. My siblings are gone now but the tats of course 
> remain.
>
> Sometimes I find them amusing and other times I have to say whyTF did 
> I do that? My only excuse was that I was very young :P Long live the 
> ancient art, whatever it means to you.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:00:47 -0700
>> From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite tattoo
>>
>> Hi list.I got my computer working.You now can view my new meteorite 
>> tattoo on my homepage of my website.3 hours to do at $200 from 
>> literaly scratch is was done.
>>  Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!!
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From fcressy at prodigy.net  Sun Oct 25 00:02:53 2009
From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:02:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Article: Legal precedent,
	Ownership of a Forest City Meteorite
Message-ID: <532794.61525.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

I don't believe this article has been posted to the list before.? It's an interesting article from the University of Minnesota's Alumni magazine, especially for those who like the stories that go along with the meteorites.
The link follows:
http://www.alumni.umn.edu/Romancing_the_Meteorite.html


Romancing the Meteorite
11/5/2008   By Tim Brady

A yellow flash as big as the moon appeared in the late afternoon sky accompanied by an echoing boom. The thing mellowed to a burning light then arced west to east above the Iowa towns below, moving at the deliberate pace of a celestial freight train. It crackled like burning timber, according to accounts, leaving a smoking trail in the atmosphere and gaping mouths below. Across more than a dozen counties in northern Iowa and a half-dozen more in Minnesota, witnesses stared at the phenomenon with a wonder tempered by the fact that the same sort of alien force had visited Iowa just 11 years earlier, in Estherville. 

Most knew what they were seeing before it hit the ground. Which might explain why, when one of the biggest chunks of this aerolite settled on a farm near Forest City, about 15 miles south of the central Minnesota border, the tenant there, Peter Hoagland, had no qualms about racing toward the impact. What his mind?s eye envisioned, as he grabbed his spade and headed out toward the landing zone, were stacks of greenbacks, not armies of little green men.

It was just after 5 o?clock on May 2, 1890. Hundreds of small chunks of the meteorite (or aerolite, as they were known then) peppered the landscape for miles around, but one of the biggest rocks landed in prairie grass on the farm worked by Hoagland. It buried itself three feet deep but was neither smoking nor hot to the touch when he found it, despite the fact it had just burned through the atmosphere on its way to Earth.

Word spread quickly across the Upper Midwest that another meteorite had flashed across the Iowa sky, just like the famed Estherville Aerolite of 1879. In papers throughout the state and up into Minnesota, news went out announcing the event. But aside from Hoagland and the handful he told, no one knew for a couple of days precisely where the big rock had landed. 

That fact sent meteorite hunters from across the region out into the field in search of the stone. Included in this pack was Horace V. Winchell, the son of the esteemed chair of the University of Minnesota?s Department of Geology, Newton H. Winchell. Aside from heading the University?s geology studies, Newton was also director of the state?s Geological and Natural History Survey, first director of the Minnesota Natural History Museum, and the state?s highest authority on its many natural resources. There was hardly a rock in Minnesota that Newton hadn?t inspected. 

Horace V. Winchell was himself an accomplished student of geology and had a long, influential career as a practicing geologist. Sniffing for meteorites on behalf of the museum and his father, Horace headed south from Minneapolis, stopping first in Faribault to check out reports of sightings there before aiming toward Iowa, where already teams of scholars from the University of Iowa and Grinnell College were in the field. 

Meteorites have fallen from the heavens through all of recorded history. But despite the seeming frequency of falls in northern Iowa in the last quarter of the 1800s, in fact it is extremely rare to witness a meteor shower and then find the actual rocks that rained down from above. Even today, while the number of known meteorites collected on Earth is in the tens of thousands, the number of falls seen and subsequently collected by humans is a little over a thousand.

All of which meant there was a great deal of value attached to the meteorite that fell that May afternoon. Beyond the academic hunters, any numbers of enterprising meteorite hounds were also out searching in northern Iowa for the rock. The Estherville incident was a fresh memory, and it was well known that that meteorite was purchased by the British Museum for thousands of dollars. 

When Horace Winchell heard reports that perhaps the biggest chunk of rock had fallen in Winnebago County, bordering Minnesota, he raced in that direction. There he found Hoagland waiting with a 66-pound meteorite on the kitchen table, ready to entertain offers for the stone, as well as for about 30 smaller meteorite fragments that had fallen on the property. 

A team representing the University of Iowa was not far behind Winchell. In fact, they raced up in a wagon just as the bargaining session began. Apparently, the representative of the U of I had only $100 in his pocket, while Winchell came with at least $105. That higher bid was enough to ensure that the Minnesota Natural History Museum, through its representative Winchell, was soon trundling off toward Forest City with a wheelbarrow full of meteorites, including the prize 66-pounder. 

Winchell took his new possessions to the train station for shipment back to Minneapolis and then proceeded to get a bath and a shave. He returned to the depot in the morning to catch the train northward with his haul and was shocked to find a group of Iowans surrounding his meteorite as if they were Hawkeye gridders around a football. At their center was the local sheriff, who informed Winchell that the meteorite was being replevied?a fancy way of saying swiped by legal authority. 

Hoagland, it seemed, as a mere tenant on the property where the stone had fallen, was not necessarily its rightful owner. There was a serious legal question about whether or not Hoagland had any right to sell what had simply fallen on the land he rented. The deed to the property was held by a man named John Goodard who claimed the meteorite was his because the land was his. Further, Goodard wasn?t interested in selling it to the University of Minnesota?s Natural History Museum?which is why he went out and got a writ from a local bondsman, contacted the sheriff, and proceeded to do his replevying. Turns out a person could legally recover goods on a claim that they?ve been wrongfully taken if one pays a bond to the legal authorities and promises to show up in court to settle the matter. 

Until the case was settled in a local court of law, the Forest City meteorite was going to stay in Iowa.

The scientific study of meteorites was about a hundred years old at the time of the Forest City event, and until the 20th century only a few hundred meteorites had ever been found. Scientists were still uncertain about what exactly meteorites were, where they came from, and how they happened to land in places like northern Iowa. In other words, they had scientific value as well as the monetary kind. This fact helped the Winchells and the University of Minnesota decide they weren?t going to take this matter lying down. A member of the local bar, who also happened to have earned the first University of Minnesota Ph.D. ever granted, in 1888, Charles Burke Elliott was retained by the U of M to go to Forest City to represent the interests of the museum in the matter of the stone. 

To Elliott, the question at hand ?was absolutely new and highly novel.? As he wrote in a memoir years later, this was an action ?to determine the ownership of celestial real estate? and ?there were no precedents.? He prepared his argument for Iowa district court, planning to contend that the meteorite ?was analogous to lost property and treasure trove, and belonged to the one who first reduced it to possession.? 

On the other hand, the plaintiff, John Goodard, claimed that the meteorite had become attached to the real estate the moment it plunked down in his field. ?Whatever is affixed to the soil, belongs to the soil,?   read an ancient law from Blackstone?s. And if the court agreed, the rock would belong to Goodard. 

Down in Forest City where the case was to be tried, the townspeople clamored around the courthouse, anxious about the outcome of the trial. According to Elliott, they ?seemed to think that to permit the stone to be taken to Minneapolis would be a reflection upon local patriotism.? The case seemed straightforward to the local judge, who made his decision quickly. He pleased local observers enormously by finding in favor of Goodard. The Forest City meteorite would stay in Iowa. At least for now.

Elliott was a man of wit and persistence. He?d also achieved some measure of fame a few years earlier when his doctoral thesis?a history of fishing rights disputes between Great Britain and the United States in the Atlantic Ocean?had been praised to the marbled ceilings in the Senate chambers of the nation?s capitol. It was even said to have helped avert a possible war between the two nations, and Elliott had received notes of thanks for his scholarship from a number of big shots in Washington (www.alumni.umn.edu/elliott). 

Back in Minneapolis, as he crafted the University?s appeal, Elliott noticed an advertisement in the Forest City newspaper announcing that the now-famous meteorite was being exhibited at the local fair under the auspices of the Iowa State Agricultural Society. Elliott reasoned that the U of M had a more compelling right to the stone than the Iowa Ag Society, and if Goodard was allowing the meteorite out of his possession while the matter was still being adjudicated, the University of Minnesota should consider a little replevying of its own.

Off he went to the office of former Governor John Pillsbury, chair of the U of M?s Board of Regents. There Elliott received Pillsbury?s blessing to head back to Iowa to pursue the stone. ?I remembered the Governor chuckled and remarked that it would fall pretty flat if I got caught within the state,? wrote Elliott, ?but he was finally a good sport and approved my plan.?

On a dark and rainy morning, Elliott set off for Iowa, arriving at Forest City at 4 o?clock afternoon. By chance, the agricultural fair was being conducted right beside the train station around a temporary structure known as the Flax Palace. There Elliott began sleuthing around for the meteorite and quickly bumped into one of the local attorneys representing Goodard. If the Iowa counsel?s suspicions were aroused by Elliott?s presence, he didn?t seem alarmed. Just before informing Elliott that the rock had been taken to the local bank for the night for safekeeping, the Iowa attorney reminded him (rather smugly, Elliott thought) of the old lawyerly adage that possession is nine points of the law. 

Elliott decided not to engage in an argument at the Flax Palace. Instead, he headed to a local bondsman who just happened to be a business acquaintance of John Pillsbury. There he asked for a writ that would allow him to confiscate the stone on the basis of the fact that it was not currently in the possession of John Goodard. The bondsman agreed, and early the next morning Charles Elliott took the order to the same Forest City sheriff who had grabbed the stone on behalf of Goodard just weeks earlier. The befuddled sheriff reluctantly agreed to escort Elliott to the local bank where the meteorite was dutifully hauled from the safe and given over to the hero of the aborted northeastern fishery wars.

Hotshot, big-city lawyers don?t go unnoticed for long at an Iowa county fair, especially when they?re snooping around after the local meteorite. By the time the stone had been fetched from the vault and placed in Elliott?s hands, a crowd had gathered in the bank and the sheriff, having handed the 66-pound meteorite over to Elliott, was suddenly huffing and puffing for the benefit of his neighbors. He claimed that the attorney had just taken the stone and scoffed at the fact that Elliott had a signed receipt for the rock from the sheriff in his pocket. 

Pillsbury?s chuckling warning that matters could ?fall pretty flat? if Elliott were caught in Forest City was looking mighty prophetic. As muttered threats started to get physical and the crowd inched toward him, the lawyer decided to make a run for it?easier said than done when cradling a rock weighing as much as a weaned Iowa pig. Using the meteorite as a battering ram, Elliot charged out of the bank. Someone gave him a push and he wound up running ?stiff-legged? into the street. Elliott was about to fall face first into the street when he ran headlong into the very carriage he?d hired an hour earlier to take the meteorite back to the state line. Elliott plunked the cargo in the back of the buggy, jumped aboard, and raced with his driver out of town, a handful of outraged Iowans hot on his tail. 

After losing the posse in the cornfields north of Forest City, yet fearing the Iowa law would be gathered in Lake Mills to apprehend him and the meteorite, Elliott decided to ditch his first ride in favor of another. He sent his Forest City driver home and hired a local farmer to take him and the meteorite on back roads to Minnesota. 

Elliott called a halt to the escape at the first train station they could find inside the North Star state. There he hailed a passing freight train and set the rock on a flatcar. Elliott climbed aboard and sat on the Forest City meteorite until the train reached Albert Lea, where he finally breathed easy. ?The next morning,? Elliott wrote with satisfaction, ?the stone was in the museum at the University of Minnesota.

What the Iowans thought of Elliott and the stone-snatching can well be imagined. There were, however, no known attempts to retrieve it from the Minnesota Natural History Museum. The case of Goodard v. Winchell wound its way to the Iowa Supreme Court, not arriving until a full two years after the scuffle, by which time Elliott had left the employ of the University. 

The U of M was represented in Des Moines by William Pattee, dean of the Law School. Unfortunately, the U lost the precedent-setting case. Though meteorites may fall from the heavens, said the court, they belong to person on whose property they fall. ?Whence it came is not known, but, under the natural law of its government, it became part of the earth.?

This was not the last word on the Forest City meteorite. As Goodard?s counsel had so smugly pointed out earlier, possession is nine points of the law, and fact of the matter was that the University of Minnesota Natural History Museum retained ownership of the Forest City meteorite within its walls, even after the decision from the Iowa Supreme Court. The bond for the stone, issued in Forest City, was valued at $105, which the U of M proceeded to pay. There were gripes; Elliott was warned that if he ever returned to Forest City he would be prosecuted. But as he wrote: ?I never learned what my offense was, as I had acted strictly within the laws of Iowa.? 

For the next seven decades, until the bulk of the Minnesota meteorite collection was loaned to the Smithsonian Institution in 1966, the famed Minnesota specimen of the Forest City meteorite stayed on the campus of the University of Minnesota. Its value is now estimated to be approximately $300,000.?? ?

Tim Brady is a St. Paul?based writer and regular contributor to Minnesota.


From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 25 08:36:01 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (MEM)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:36:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] tucson dates
In-Reply-To: <369652.12593.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <609737.85314.qm@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

 "Feb 32st- March 1nd". You know the Tucson Show is being moved to Las Vegas right?  I hear you can get a cheap body piercing in Vegas, also. See you in Vegas? 
Elton

--- On Tue, 10/20/09, steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: steve arnold <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
> Good morning list.I need to know the
> precise dates of the tucson show so I can book my free
> roundtrip airfare.Please offlist and thanks.



From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 25 08:56:39 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:56:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] tucson future for newbies
Message-ID: <888413.809.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.I have resurrected some pictures from the 2009 tucson show for newbies that will becoming for the first time.I want them to get an idea at how big the show is and to understand the magnitude of all the meteorite that will be available to see and buy.I guarentee you,IT WILL BE HARD TO KEEP YOUR WALLET IN YOUR POCKET.You can see them under tucson 2009 highlights on my website as well as my new meteorite tatoo. chicagometeorites.net/
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From mlblood at cox.net  Sun Oct 25 17:45:04 2009
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:45:04 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction Catalog now up - call for
	entries (Ad)
In-Reply-To: <532794.61525.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C70A14F0.8789%mlblood@cox.net>

Greetings all,
        To see the first 20 entries in the 11th Tucson Meteorite
Auction, please go to:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/TucsonAuction10.html

        Already, we have some major entries, such as a Carbonado
Black Diamond over 150cts, a 20LB lot of Trinitite, 2 super nice
(and substantially sized) Los Angels slices (both "LA 001" &  "LA 002"),
Special NWA type specimens, including lunar and other ultra rare
Types, A spectacular Gujba Full Slice with an esxceptionally large
chondrule, etc.This auction is finally gaining momentum in submission
Of some major lots on a regular basis. Do be encouraged. (Super valuable
Specimens may qualify for individual negotiation of consignment fee)
        Please note people may submit entries  at the old consignment
Rate of 10% for the next 3 weeks (Nov. 15). After that time the consignment
Fee will increase periodically up until the auction itself. Several people
Have assured me they are sending in 10 or more specimens in the immediate
Future, so, keep an eye on the Catalog and submit your material (JPG
And description) ASAP to be able to choose what part of the auction you
would like your lots listed, save on commission and get the most out of
The free advertizing.
        It is looking like after MONTHS of unexpectedly laborious
preparation my book on ASPECTS OF METEORITE ORIENTATION
Will finally be out by the time we go to the show. I am planning on having
Numbered copies available at the show for personalized signatures.
        I would LOVE to see multiple oriented specimens entered in this
auction to make it a theme. Bring 'm on.
        Please contact me off list to submit worthy entries and/or to make
Absentee bids. 
        Best wishes, Michael
PS: Fred Olson, please contact me off list.
 




From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 25 21:33:39 2009
From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:33:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
Message-ID: <503509.31928.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

A meteorite that was big enough and fast enough to create a 02 meter
crater fell in Latvia, one of the smallest country in the world. Here
are a few links, I think we will be hearing a lot about this one.

http://readrussia.com/blog/News/00264/

http://en.rian.ru/world/20091026/156588612.html


      


From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sun Oct 25 21:42:51 2009
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David Deyarmin)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:42:51 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction Catalog now up - call
	for
Message-ID: <1DA4A06C879445A1A1893CEBB27A5BD3@owner118c1707d>

Test


From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sun Oct 25 21:43:49 2009
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David Deyarmin)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:43:49 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] 104 Gram Ghubara Slice
Message-ID: <B16D80083979401889FA88ECF2D726AD@owner118c1707d>

I have a nice large slice of Ghubara available

It is large, 60mm x 140mm and weighs 104 grams

I am asking $104 plus shipping

If you are interested please contact me off list at bobadebt at ec.rr.com

Here are some images of it


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Ghubara/104grSlice1.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Ghubara/104grSlice2.jpg

Thanks 



From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 25 21:54:26 2009
From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:54:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <503509.31928.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <503509.31928.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <468345.99671.qm@web43404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

what do you think about this?
Is it real?
dont seem possible but there in a crater, about the same size. Could it have been space junk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD5MUSBOBK0

Best,
Joe K



----- Original Message ----

A meteorite that was big enough and fast enough to create a 02 meter
crater fell in Latvia, one of the smallest country in the world. Here
are a few links, I think we will be hearing a lot about this one.

http://readrussia.com/blog/News/00264/

http://en.rian.ru/world/20091026/156588612.html


      
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Sun Oct 25 22:21:00 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:21:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <468345.99671.qm@web43404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <503509.31928.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<468345.99671.qm@web43404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AE5078C.90507@meteoritesusa.com>

Ok,

Flaming meteorite "after" impact? Really? Waiting for Superman to come 
crawling out of the hole.

Didn't I ready somewhere just recently that a man picked up a piece of 
space debris (England I think) a few seconds after it impacted his house 
and it was hot to the touch? And that was a piece the size of a football.

Any thoughts on whether this Latvia "meteorite impact" is real or not?

Real or Fake? What's your take?

Regards,
Eric





Joe Kerchner wrote:
> what do you think about this?
> Is it real?
> dont seem possible but there in a crater, about the same size. Could it have been space junk?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD5MUSBOBK0
>
> Best,
> Joe K
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>
> A meteorite that was big enough and fast enough to create a 02 meter
> crater fell in Latvia, one of the smallest country in the world. Here
> are a few links, I think we will be hearing a lot about this one.
>
> http://readrussia.com/blog/News/00264/
>
> http://en.rian.ru/world/20091026/156588612.html
>
>
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From edeckert at triad.rr.com  Sun Oct 25 22:08:28 2009
From: edeckert at triad.rr.com (Ed Deckert)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:08:28 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
References: <503509.31928.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01ca55e1$35d53c10$6401a8c0@EdDeckertMain>

>From http://readrussia.com/blog/News/00264/
"The most striking fact here is that how the meteorite managed to hit 
Latvia, one of the smallest countries in the world. (This former Soviet 
republic of 2 million people is only 300 miles wide, i.e. much less than 1 
percent of earth's surface.)"



I guess the reporter there would be completely blown away to learn of 
Claxton hitting a mailbox!  LOL

Ed

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Joe Kerchner" <skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com>
To: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:33 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater


>A meteorite that was big enough and fast enough to create a 02 meter
> crater fell in Latvia, one of the smallest country in the world. Here
> are a few links, I think we will be hearing a lot about this one.
>
> http://readrussia.com/blog/News/00264/
>
> http://en.rian.ru/world/20091026/156588612.html
>
>
>
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From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 22:36:11 2009
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:36:11 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <4AE5078C.90507@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <503509.31928.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<468345.99671.qm@web43404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4AE5078C.90507@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <f0a794130910251936p78e7a196l6d2c2685ff656ce5@mail.gmail.com>

Possible explanations:

1) Publicity stunt to increase tourism perpetrated by Borat
2) Russian weapons test gone bad
3) Underground weapons cache spontaneously exploded
4) Latest experiment from balloon boy's dad

Wouldn't a meteor big enough to cause this type of crater be buried
under the ground? Wouldn't there be more than 1 meteorite?

Cool video and crater.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:
> Ok,
>
> Flaming meteorite "after" impact? Really? Waiting for Superman to come
> crawling out of the hole.
>
> Didn't I ready somewhere just recently that a man picked up a piece of space
> debris (England I think) a few seconds after it impacted his house and it
> was hot to the touch? And that was a piece the size of a football.
>
> Any thoughts on whether this Latvia "meteorite impact" is real or not?
>
> Real or Fake? What's your take?
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Kerchner wrote:
>>
>> what do you think about this?
>> Is it real?
>> dont seem possible but there in a crater, about the same size. Could it
>> have been space junk?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD5MUSBOBK0
>>
>> Best,
>> Joe K
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>>
>> A meteorite that was big enough and fast enough to create a 02 meter
>> crater fell in Latvia, one of the smallest country in the world. Here
>> are a few links, I think we will be hearing a lot about this one.
>>
>> http://readrussia.com/blog/News/00264/
>>
>> http://en.rian.ru/world/20091026/156588612.html
>>
>>
>> ? ? ?______________________________________________
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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 25 22:32:14 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:32:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <4AE5078C.90507@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <289633.22225.qm@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

HOAX

Space-Track reports no orbital decays in the last 30 days, so it wasn't space-jink either.

http://www.space-track.org/


Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Sun, 10/25/09, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:

> From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
> To: "Joe Kerchner" <skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 7:21 PM
> Ok,
> 
> Flaming meteorite "after" impact? Really? Waiting for
> Superman to come 
> crawling out of the hole.
> 
> Didn't I ready somewhere just recently that a man picked up
> a piece of 
> space debris (England I think) a few seconds after it
> impacted his house 
> and it was hot to the touch? And that was a piece the size
> of a football.
> 
> Any thoughts on whether this Latvia "meteorite impact" is
> real or not?
> 
> Real or Fake? What's your take?
> 
> Regards,
> Eric
> 
> 


      


From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 25 22:41:48 2009
From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:41:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <f0a794130910251936p78e7a196l6d2c2685ff656ce5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <503509.31928.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<468345.99671.qm@web43404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4AE5078C.90507@meteoritesusa.com>
	<f0a794130910251936p78e7a196l6d2c2685ff656ce5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <351731.87375.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I was kinda thinking it may have been a rocket or something to that effect. Really dont think the crater looks like a meteorite crater or the video looks anything like a meteorite landing would look like. I also can not find too much info on it, you would think that if it were true there would be a little more info out there.
Best,
Joe Kerchner
http://illinoismeteorites.com 
http://skyrockcafe.com



----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Hankey <mike.hankey at gmail.com>
To: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
Cc: Joe Kerchner <skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com>; meteorite list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 8:36:11 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater

Possible explanations:

1) Publicity stunt to increase tourism perpetrated by Borat
2) Russian weapons test gone bad
3) Underground weapons cache spontaneously exploded
4) Latest experiment from balloon boy's dad

Wouldn't a meteor big enough to cause this type of crater be buried
under the ground? Wouldn't there be more than 1 meteorite?

Cool video and crater.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:
> Ok,
>
> Flaming meteorite "after" impact? Really? Waiting for Superman to come
> crawling out of the hole.
>
> Didn't I ready somewhere just recently that a man picked up a piece of space
> debris (England I think) a few seconds after it impacted his house and it
> was hot to the touch? And that was a piece the size of a football.
>
> Any thoughts on whether this Latvia "meteorite impact" is real or not?
>
> Real or Fake? What's your take?
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Kerchner wrote:
>>
>> what do you think about this?
>> Is it real?
>> dont seem possible but there in a crater, about the same size. Could it
>> have been space junk?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD5MUSBOBK0
>>
>> Best,
>> Joe K
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>>
>> A meteorite that was big enough and fast enough to create a 02 meter
>> crater fell in Latvia, one of the smallest country in the world. Here
>> are a few links, I think we will be hearing a lot about this one.
>>
>> http://readrussia.com/blog/News/00264/
>>
>> http://en.rian.ru/world/20091026/156588612.html
>>
>>
>>      ______________________________________________
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>>
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From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 22:49:22 2009
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:49:22 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <351731.87375.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <503509.31928.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<468345.99671.qm@web43404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4AE5078C.90507@meteoritesusa.com>
	<f0a794130910251936p78e7a196l6d2c2685ff656ce5@mail.gmail.com>
	<351731.87375.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f0a794130910251949u39a35545j63af918015140211@mail.gmail.com>

I think it is a viral internet prank motivated by clever kids with the
hopes of making some money off of google's russian bride market.

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On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Joe Kerchner
<skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I was kinda thinking it may have been a rocket or something to that effect. Really dont think the crater looks like a meteorite crater or the video looks anything like a meteorite landing would look like. I also can not find too much info on it, you would think that if it were true there would be a little more info out there.
> Best,
> Joe Kerchner
> http://illinoismeteorites.com
> http://skyrockcafe.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mike Hankey <mike.hankey at gmail.com>
> To: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Cc: Joe Kerchner <skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com>; meteorite list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sun, October 25, 2009 8:36:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
>
> Possible explanations:
>
> 1) Publicity stunt to increase tourism perpetrated by Borat
> 2) Russian weapons test gone bad
> 3) Underground weapons cache spontaneously exploded
> 4) Latest experiment from balloon boy's dad
>
> Wouldn't a meteor big enough to cause this type of crater be buried
> under the ground? Wouldn't there be more than 1 meteorite?
>
> Cool video and crater.
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:
>> Ok,
>>
>> Flaming meteorite "after" impact? Really? Waiting for Superman to come
>> crawling out of the hole.
>>
>> Didn't I ready somewhere just recently that a man picked up a piece of space
>> debris (England I think) a few seconds after it impacted his house and it
>> was hot to the touch? And that was a piece the size of a football.
>>
>> Any thoughts on whether this Latvia "meteorite impact" is real or not?
>>
>> Real or Fake? What's your take?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Kerchner wrote:
>>>
>>> what do you think about this?
>>> Is it real?
>>> dont seem possible but there in a crater, about the same size. Could it
>>> have been space junk?
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD5MUSBOBK0
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joe K
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>
>>> A meteorite that was big enough and fast enough to create a 02 meter
>>> crater fell in Latvia, one of the smallest country in the world. Here
>>> are a few links, I think we will be hearing a lot about this one.
>>>
>>> http://readrussia.com/blog/News/00264/
>>>
>>> http://en.rian.ru/world/20091026/156588612.html
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ? ?______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
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>
>
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 22:45:51 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:45:51 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <4AE5078C.90507@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <503509.31928.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><468345.99671.qm@web43404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4AE5078C.90507@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <14EAE167231244E093A7FF8A8A26135B@Bandli1>

Ha! I was expecting a Decepticon to pop out of that hole. Or maybe that was
the lost piece of Allspark from the last movie. Too bad, as I have strong
ties to Latvia and would love for there to be a new Latvian meteorite. I
mean, it has been nearly 120 years since the last one.

-----------------------------------
Mike Bandli
Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA #5765
Member, Meteoritical Society
-----------------------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites
USA
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:21 PM
To: Joe Kerchner
Cc: meteorite list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater

Ok,

Flaming meteorite "after" impact? Really? Waiting for Superman to come 
crawling out of the hole.

Didn't I ready somewhere just recently that a man picked up a piece of 
space debris (England I think) a few seconds after it impacted his house 
and it was hot to the touch? And that was a piece the size of a football.

Any thoughts on whether this Latvia "meteorite impact" is real or not?

Real or Fake? What's your take?

Regards,
Eric





Joe Kerchner wrote:
> what do you think about this?
> Is it real?
> dont seem possible but there in a crater, about the same size. Could it
have been space junk?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD5MUSBOBK0
>
> Best,
> Joe K
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>
> A meteorite that was big enough and fast enough to create a 02 meter
> crater fell in Latvia, one of the smallest country in the world. Here
> are a few links, I think we will be hearing a lot about this one.
>
> http://readrussia.com/blog/News/00264/
>
> http://en.rian.ru/world/20091026/156588612.html
>
>
>       
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 25 23:07:01 2009
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:07:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
Message-ID: <26561725.1256526422034.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Fake! Fire in the hole...really..and no debris field around that lovely crater. Stevanya get the backhoe!
Count Deiro  

-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
>Sent: Oct 25, 2009 10:45 PM
>To: 'Meteorites USA' <eric at meteoritesusa.com>, 'Joe Kerchner' <skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com>
>Cc: 'meteorite list' <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
>
>Ha! I was expecting a Decepticon to pop out of that hole. Or maybe that was
>the lost piece of Allspark from the last movie. Too bad, as I have strong
>ties to Latvia and would love for there to be a new Latvian meteorite. I
>mean, it has been nearly 120 years since the last one.
>
>-----------------------------------
>Mike Bandli
>Historic Meteorites
>www.HistoricMeteorites.com
>IMCA #5765
>Member, Meteoritical Society
>-----------------------------------------------
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites
>USA
>Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:21 PM
>To: Joe Kerchner
>Cc: meteorite list
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
>
>Ok,
>
>Flaming meteorite "after" impact? Really? Waiting for Superman to come 
>crawling out of the hole.
>
>Didn't I ready somewhere just recently that a man picked up a piece of 
>space debris (England I think) a few seconds after it impacted his house 
>and it was hot to the touch? And that was a piece the size of a football.
>
>Any thoughts on whether this Latvia "meteorite impact" is real or not?
>
>Real or Fake? What's your take?
>
>Regards,
>Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>Joe Kerchner wrote:
>> what do you think about this?
>> Is it real?
>> dont seem possible but there in a crater, about the same size. Could it
>have been space junk?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD5MUSBOBK0
>>
>> Best,
>> Joe K
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>>
>> A meteorite that was big enough and fast enough to create a 02 meter
>> crater fell in Latvia, one of the smallest country in the world. Here
>> are a few links, I think we will be hearing a lot about this one.
>>
>> http://readrussia.com/blog/News/00264/
>>
>> http://en.rian.ru/world/20091026/156588612.html
>>
>>
>>       
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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>>
>>
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From bobadebt at ec.rr.com  Sun Oct 25 21:19:05 2009
From: bobadebt at ec.rr.com (David Deyarmin)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:19:05 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] 104 Gram Ghubara Slice
Message-ID: <1B663A2E2DC24BDD8DC5E3CDAE3E173A@owner118c1707d>

I have a nice large slice of Ghubara available

It is large, 60mm x 140mm and weighs 104 grams

I am asking $104 plus shipping

If you are interested please contact me off list at bobadebt at ec.rr.com

Here are some images of it


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Ghubara/104grSlice1.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/Ghubara/104grSlice2.jpg

Thanks 



From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Oct 25 23:59:46 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:59:46 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <f0a794130910251936p78e7a196l6d2c2685ff656ce5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <503509.31928.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<468345.99671.qm@web43404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4AE5078C.90507@meteoritesusa.com>
	<f0a794130910251936p78e7a196l6d2c2685ff656ce5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2j7ae55rbsa5buc7fvkdl7s9sbmrtgbh0r@4ax.com>

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:36:11 -0400, you wrote:

>Possible explanations:
>
>1) Publicity stunt to increase tourism perpetrated by Borat
>2) Russian weapons test gone bad
>3) Underground weapons cache spontaneously exploded
>4) Latest experiment from balloon boy's dad

5.) Passenger jet?


From prairiecactus at rtcol.com  Mon Oct 26 01:08:36 2009
From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com (Phil Whitmer)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:08:36 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
Message-ID: <E5447B5268204E9B933CA80FAFBF09E3@whitmerjbqtim1>

http://en.rian.ru/world/20091026/156588612.html

Meteorite falls in northern Latvia, no one injured - local media



RIGA, October 26 (RIA Novosti) - No one was injured after a meteorite fell 
near a small town in northern Latvia on Sunday, local Latvian media 
reported.

According to media reports, the meteorite fell near a residential house on 
the outskirts of Mazsalaca town in the Valmiera district of Latvia, leaving 
a crater of some 20 meters (66 feet) in diameter and 10 meters (33 feet) 
deep.

A spokesperson for the Latvian State Fire and Rescue Service said that 
rescuers and soldiers immediately cordoned off the territory, however, it is 
still not clear whether it was an asteroid or a space satellite.

"The territory has been immediately cordoned off as we still do not know 
what fell down from the sky. According to preliminary information, it was a 
meteorite. However, it is possible that it was a [space] satellite or its 
fragment. A radioactive contamination is also possible," she said.

A witness, who saw the object falling from the sky and leaving a burning 
trace behind, said it was making a noise similar to the one of an aircraft 
flying at a low altitude.

On March 2 this year, a 35-meter asteroid came within 72,000 kilometers of 
Earth. The size of the space rock was comparable to the asteroid that caused 
the Tunguska disaster, but there was no danger of a collision.

On June 30, 1908, an explosion equivalent to between 5 and 30 megatons of 
TNT occurred near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in a remote region of 
Russia's Siberia.

The Tunguska blast flattened 80 million trees, destroying an area of around 
2,150 sq km (830 sq miles).

It is assumed that a huge meteorite had hit the area, although research 
expeditions failed to find an obvious crater.

------------------------------------------------



I don't know, that crater video looked kind of fakey to me.



Phil Whitmer



From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 26 01:28:36 2009
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (MEM)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:28:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Polishing with Vibrating Laps
In-Reply-To: <1e9607b9$1cf1eb06$1a28fbf6$@com>
Message-ID: <329294.49744.qm@web55207.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Having never really looked into it, I didn't think one could use liquids on a vibratory lap. I've only seen them used with dry grit. I'll be firing one up this winter so I would like to hear myself what to do.
 "Bee-well:, MT
Elton

--- On Sat, 10/24/09, McCartney Taylor <mccartney at blackbearddata.com> wrote:

> From: McCartney Taylor <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Polishing with Vibrating Laps
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 2:00 PM
> Has anyone successfully found a
> workable technique to polish using alcohol 
> and a vibrating lap?
> 
> And does anyone polish irons using a chloride free oil and
> a vib. lap?
> 
> -mt


From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk  Mon Oct 26 06:04:42 2009
From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:04:42 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Who will come to Munich?
Message-ID: <D7171847AEFC6A4893D80C75E547E2711004A7@nmsmail02.nms2k.int>

Martin

I will be there. Though I have to say I will be wearing my
mineralogist's hat. 

Peter Davidson
Curator of Minerals
 
National Museums Collection Centre
National Museums Scotland
242 West Granton Road
Edinburgh
EH5 1JA
Phone: +44 131 247 4283
p.davidson at nms.ac.uk
www.nms.ac.uk
 
 
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Sent: 23 October 2009 13:29
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Who will come to Munich?

It's time for the Munich show!

Who will be there?

Martin

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From tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com  Mon Oct 26 08:18:43 2009
From: tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com (Tom Randall (KB2SMS))
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:18:43 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
Message-ID: <08A677E3-17AE-43BF-992E-48D25FE98520@hvc.rr.com>


Fake doesn't even begin to describe this one!





From rocksfromspace at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 26 09:26:49 2009
From: rocksfromspace at yahoo.com (rocksfromspace at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:26:49 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 26,
	2009
Message-ID: <502069512-1256563609-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2074076063-@bda267.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_26_2009.html



---

Thumbed On My BlackBerry



From fujmon at mac.com  Mon Oct 26 09:52:10 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:52:10 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Galileo Block Party in Hilo
Message-ID: <896AA99D-9B6C-4DA0-A8E5-13341CCC2B5E@mac.com>

Aloha Metlist members,

I'd like to share some information about a great outreach event that  
took place over the weekend.  As a feature of the International Year  
of Astronomy, the Galileo Block Party was held on astronomy row in the  
University Park of Science and Technology on the campus of the  
University of Hawai?i at Hilo (UHH) on the Big Island of Hawai?i.   
Most of the observatories on Mauna Kea, UHH Physics and Astronomy  
Dept, and amateur astronomy groups participated by engaging in  
interactive outreach with thousands of visitors during the five hour  
event.

Dr Bobby Bus, NASA Infrared Telescope Facility and I represented the  
University of Hawai?i Institute for Astronomy with a meteorite  
exhibit.  Bobby?s research in spectroscopic properties of asteroid  
families and their population distribution complemented my exhibit of  
complete individual and full slice specimens of over three dozen fall  
and find locations wonderfully.  It was fun to see the many familiar  
faces of students, teachers, parents, community leaders, colleagues  
and members of the astronomy community during the event.  In addition,  
it was fulfilling to be able to share with my community, my passion  
for these rocks from space, and what they provide to the body of  
knowledge in science (not to mention the wonderful stories many of  
these stones had to tell).

Meteorites are great to find, collect, cherish and admire.  But what a  
lonely existence should they only languish in an unseen private  
collection.  I urge members to share your collections with your  
respective communities.  Its as much fun as finding your own fresh,  
fully crusted chondrite.  Okay I lied, not that much fun, but very  
fulfilling and who knows?  Maybe an opportunity to inspire others to  
pursue this hobby/obsession/business.

http://astroday.net/images/_GalileoBlockParty2.jpg
http://www.naoj.org/IYA/Blockparty/

Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 26 10:53:19 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:53:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <E5447B5268204E9B933CA80FAFBF09E3@whitmerjbqtim1>
References: <E5447B5268204E9B933CA80FAFBF09E3@whitmerjbqtim1>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W1672CEE333B8649432E9ED6BA0@phx.gbl>


Meteorites don't continue burning after they fall as shown in the Youtube video (unless it fell onto something combustible which doesn't appear to be the case hear) which tells me this is probably a hoax.. But if this is true - could 2009 hold the world record for the number of witnessed falls (not counting showers of course) in one year? 

Regards 
-----------
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IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
?
Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! 




> From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:08:36 -0400
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
> 
> http://en.rian.ru/world/20091026/156588612.html
> 
> Meteorite falls in northern Latvia, no one injured - local media
> 
> 
> 
> RIGA, October 26 (RIA Novosti) - No one was injured after a meteorite fell 
> near a small town in northern Latvia on Sunday, local Latvian media 
> reported.
> 
> According to media reports, the meteorite fell near a residential house on 
> the outskirts of Mazsalaca town in the Valmiera district of Latvia, leaving 
> a crater of some 20 meters (66 feet) in diameter and 10 meters (33 feet) 
> deep.
> 
> A spokesperson for the Latvian State Fire and Rescue Service said that 
> rescuers and soldiers immediately cordoned off the territory, however, it is 
> still not clear whether it was an asteroid or a space satellite.
> 
> "The territory has been immediately cordoned off as we still do not know 
> what fell down from the sky. According to preliminary information, it was a 
> meteorite. However, it is possible that it was a [space] satellite or its 
> fragment. A radioactive contamination is also possible," she said.
> 
> A witness, who saw the object falling from the sky and leaving a burning 
> trace behind, said it was making a noise similar to the one of an aircraft 
> flying at a low altitude.
> 
> On March 2 this year, a 35-meter asteroid came within 72,000 kilometers of 
> Earth. The size of the space rock was comparable to the asteroid that caused 
> the Tunguska disaster, but there was no danger of a collision.
> 
> On June 30, 1908, an explosion equivalent to between 5 and 30 megatons of 
> TNT occurred near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in a remote region of 
> Russia's Siberia.
> 
> The Tunguska blast flattened 80 million trees, destroying an area of around 
> 2,150 sq km (830 sq miles).
> 
> It is assumed that a huge meteorite had hit the area, although research 
> expeditions failed to find an obvious crater.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> I don't know, that crater video looked kind of fakey to me.
> 
> 
> 
> Phil Whitmer
> 
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From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 26 10:57:53 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:57:53 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test... ignore
Message-ID: <BLU137-W629032A574B15EC99E426D6BA0@phx.gbl>




-----------
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eBay: metmel2775
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From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 11:42:49 2009
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:42:49 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <08A677E3-17AE-43BF-992E-48D25FE98520@hvc.rr.com>
References: <08A677E3-17AE-43BF-992E-48D25FE98520@hvc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <f0a794130910260842m44ff0e9dp9b92a9565c19e6b5@mail.gmail.com>

A friend told me this was on the front page of cnn.com this morning.
When I checked it wasn't on the front page anymore, but the story is
still on the site:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/26/latvia.meteorite/index.html

if its on cnn then it must be true.


On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Tom Randall (KB2SMS)
<tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Fake doesn't even begin to describe this one!
>
>
>
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From tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com  Mon Oct 26 11:48:32 2009
From: tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com (Tom Randall (KB2SMS))
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:48:32 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <f0a794130910260842m44ff0e9dp9b92a9565c19e6b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <08A677E3-17AE-43BF-992E-48D25FE98520@hvc.rr.com>
	<f0a794130910260842m44ff0e9dp9b92a9565c19e6b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F981F945-09D8-45A9-8D3C-55E9BAE59F37@hvc.rr.com>


LOL!

AP reports it was a hoax. Captain Obvious must work there!

Tom




On Oct 26, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Mike Hankey wrote:
>
>
> if its on cnn then it must be true.
>



From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Oct 26 12:52:35 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:52:35 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <f0a794130910260842m44ff0e9dp9b92a9565c19e6b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <08A677E3-17AE-43BF-992E-48D25FE98520@hvc.rr.com>
	<f0a794130910260842m44ff0e9dp9b92a9565c19e6b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <rrkbe59mvokbn4ga7qtu0ua31gilrg2at9@4ax.com>

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:42:49 -0400, you wrote:

>if its on cnn then it must be true.

Nope.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/latvian-meteorite-crater-is-a-hoax_100266012.html


From astroroks at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 26 11:52:21 2009
From: astroroks at hotmail.com (Dennis Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:52:21 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] vibrating lap - Yahoo! Search Results
Message-ID: <COL113-W23872074833098C1872C35B1BA0@phx.gbl>


www.dbrockwerks.com/VibeLapInstr.pdf
 
Hello, Matt! and all..I never have tried my polisher dry, I use 
this method.  I am in the process of making a 12 inch square,
dry polisher, out of a marble floor tile that I can attach
a sheet of silicon carbide wet/dry paper to. My experimental
one made out of a clipboard, tygon tubing ring, 4 springs,
small vibrating motor (ebay) and lots of rtv, worked good.
One draw back, it won't hold anything over a 6 inch slab.
 
Still running in the 4 corners desert!
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 11:52:39 2009
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:52:39 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <rrkbe59mvokbn4ga7qtu0ua31gilrg2at9@4ax.com>
References: <08A677E3-17AE-43BF-992E-48D25FE98520@hvc.rr.com>
	<f0a794130910260842m44ff0e9dp9b92a9565c19e6b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<rrkbe59mvokbn4ga7qtu0ua31gilrg2at9@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <93aaac890910260852p1332082fs6406dd624620c930@mail.gmail.com>

Right - take a look at the ejecta blanket. With Carancas, large dirt
clods were sent flying hundreds of feet from what I'd heard.  This
crater's rim looks downright tidy, and not a single piece of ejecta
looks like it got more than five to ten feet from the edge of the
crater.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:42:49 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>if its on cnn then it must be true.
>
> Nope.
>
> http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/latvian-meteorite-crater-is-a-hoax_100266012.html
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From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 11:53:07 2009
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:53:07 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-W1672CEE333B8649432E9ED6BA0@phx.gbl>
References: <E5447B5268204E9B933CA80FAFBF09E3@whitmerjbqtim1>
	<BLU137-W1672CEE333B8649432E9ED6BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f0a794130910260853t6b3da363vfa259dfe45c4c160@mail.gmail.com>

Apparently there is an underground natural gas fire that has been
going on in russia for some time. Its called 'the door to hell'.

The pictures on google images look pretty similar to this.

http://images.google.com/images?q=the+door+to+hell&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=MMTlStHxHNOntgfKmcDLCA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCIQsAQwAw

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Melanie Matthews
<spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Meteorites don't continue burning after they fall as shown in the Youtube video (unless it fell onto something combustible which doesn't appear to be the case hear) which tells me this is probably a hoax.. But if this is true - could 2009 hold the world record for the number of witnessed falls (not counting showers of course) in one year?
>
> Regards
> -----------
> Melanie
> IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>
> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get!
>
>
>
>
>> From: prairiecactus at rtcol.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:08:36 -0400
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
>>
>> http://en.rian.ru/world/20091026/156588612.html
>>
>> Meteorite falls in northern Latvia, no one injured - local media
>>
>>
>>
>> RIGA, October 26 (RIA Novosti) - No one was injured after a meteorite fell
>> near a small town in northern Latvia on Sunday, local Latvian media
>> reported.
>>
>> According to media reports, the meteorite fell near a residential house on
>> the outskirts of Mazsalaca town in the Valmiera district of Latvia, leaving
>> a crater of some 20 meters (66 feet) in diameter and 10 meters (33 feet)
>> deep.
>>
>> A spokesperson for the Latvian State Fire and Rescue Service said that
>> rescuers and soldiers immediately cordoned off the territory, however, it is
>> still not clear whether it was an asteroid or a space satellite.
>>
>> "The territory has been immediately cordoned off as we still do not know
>> what fell down from the sky. According to preliminary information, it was a
>> meteorite. However, it is possible that it was a [space] satellite or its
>> fragment. A radioactive contamination is also possible," she said.
>>
>> A witness, who saw the object falling from the sky and leaving a burning
>> trace behind, said it was making a noise similar to the one of an aircraft
>> flying at a low altitude.
>>
>> On March 2 this year, a 35-meter asteroid came within 72,000 kilometers of
>> Earth. The size of the space rock was comparable to the asteroid that caused
>> the Tunguska disaster, but there was no danger of a collision.
>>
>> On June 30, 1908, an explosion equivalent to between 5 and 30 megatons of
>> TNT occurred near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in a remote region of
>> Russia's Siberia.
>>
>> The Tunguska blast flattened 80 million trees, destroying an area of around
>> 2,150 sq km (830 sq miles).
>>
>> It is assumed that a huge meteorite had hit the area, although research
>> expeditions failed to find an obvious crater.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know, that crater video looked kind of fakey to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil Whitmer
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
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From ebay at biol.uw.edu.pl  Mon Oct 26 11:52:31 2009
From: ebay at biol.uw.edu.pl (www.meteoritica.eu)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:52:31 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
References: <08A677E3-17AE-43BF-992E-48D25FE98520@hvc.rr.com>
	<f0a794130910260842m44ff0e9dp9b92a9565c19e6b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <541EF1A1D99641A7B9BCC443C6D03C67@BigLebovsky>

Ha
False alarm??? ;-(
http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/baltic_news/?doc=4078
Woreczko
www.woreczko.pl



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From: "Mike Hankey" <mike.hankey at gmail.com>
To: "Tom Randall (KB2SMS)" <tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com>
Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater


>A friend told me this was on the front page of cnn.com this morning.
> When I checked it wasn't on the front page anymore, but the story is
> still on the site:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/26/latvia.meteorite/index.html
>
> if its on cnn then it must be true.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Tom Randall (KB2SMS)
> <tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> Fake doesn't even begin to describe this one!
>>
>>
>>
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From ebay at biol.uw.edu.pl  Mon Oct 26 11:51:31 2009
From: ebay at biol.uw.edu.pl (www.meteoritica.eu)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:51:31 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
References: <08A677E3-17AE-43BF-992E-48D25FE98520@hvc.rr.com>
	<f0a794130910260842m44ff0e9dp9b92a9565c19e6b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76C00B26FB1C42809038E91810F94FEE@BigLebovsky>

Ha
False alarm??? ;-(
http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/baltic_news/?doc=4078
Woreczko
www.woreczko.pl



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From: "Mike Hankey" <mike.hankey at gmail.com>
To: "Tom Randall (KB2SMS)" <tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com>
Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater


>A friend told me this was on the front page of cnn.com this morning.
> When I checked it wasn't on the front page anymore, but the story is
> still on the site:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/26/latvia.meteorite/index.html
>
> if its on cnn then it must be true.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Tom Randall (KB2SMS)
> <tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> Fake doesn't even begin to describe this one!
>>
>>
>>
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From axelsson at acc.umu.se  Mon Oct 26 12:13:35 2009
From: axelsson at acc.umu.se (=?windows-1252?Q?G=F6ran_Axelsson?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:13:35 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-W1672CEE333B8649432E9ED6BA0@phx.gbl>
References: <E5447B5268204E9B933CA80FAFBF09E3@whitmerjbqtim1>
	<BLU137-W1672CEE333B8649432E9ED6BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AE5CAAF.7040903@acc.umu.se>

It looks fake to me too. The sides are too shallow to be created by an 
impact. It looks more like something created by a blast in soft clay 
than a shock wave from an impact. If you compare it to other similar 
craters it doesn't look right (Sikhote-Aline, Carancas).
I believe that a hard impactor in a hard target would create a shallower 
crater but in a soft target it would penetrate deeper and make a steeper 
crater. Like a bullet striking a bullet proof glass creates a flat wide 
crater while in water or dirt it travels a long way before it stops.

Then we have the fire that is a dead giveaway.

  :-D

Anyhow, it seems to be a massive hoax unless it was blasted. Either it 
was dug by hand by 50 people in one week or blasted with two tons of 
fertiliser, some diesel oil and a stick of dynamite.

I would guess that this is a pr stunt in the 2012 mass hysteria that is 
sweeping the planet right now and that it was created by explosives.

/G?ran

Melanie Matthews wrote:
> Meteorites don't continue burning after they fall as shown in the Youtube video (unless it fell onto something combustible which doesn't appear to be the case hear) which tells me this is probably a hoax.. But if this is true - could 2009 hold the world record for the number of witnessed falls (not counting showers of course) in one year? 
>
> Regards 
> -----------
> Melanie 
> IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>  
> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! 
>
>   



From vs.petrovich at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 12:34:14 2009
From: vs.petrovich at gmail.com (Sergey Vasiliev)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:34:14 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890910260852p1332082fs6406dd624620c930@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <JPELLBIMOJEBPCPOJGEBIEOGCJAA.vs.petrovich@gmail.com>

Another report (in Russian)
http://lenta.ru/news/2009/10/26/fake/

Google translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Flent
a.ru%2Fnews%2F2009%2F10%2F26%2Ffake%2F&sl=ru&tl=en&history_state0=&swap=1

Sergey

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Utas
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:53 PM
To: Meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater


Right - take a look at the ejecta blanket. With Carancas, large dirt
clods were sent flying hundreds of feet from what I'd heard.  This
crater's rim looks downright tidy, and not a single piece of ejecta
looks like it got more than five to ten feet from the edge of the
crater.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:42:49 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>if its on cnn then it must be true.
>
> Nope.
>
>
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/latvian-meteorite-crater-is-a-h
oax_100266012.html
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 26 13:05:04 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:05:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD -Special 10-day Auction Due to End
Message-ID: <772688.95176.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,


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at my special 10-day auction that has been running while I was gone. I was 
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considering these auctions are due to end tomorrow afternoon. There are 16 
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Mon Oct 26 13:23:29 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:23:29 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <4AE5CAAF.7040903@acc.umu.se>
References: <E5447B5268204E9B933CA80FAFBF09E3@whitmerjbqtim1><BLU137-W1672CEE333B8649432E9ED6BA0@phx.gbl>
	<4AE5CAAF.7040903@acc.umu.se>
Message-ID: <002b01ca5661$09b20ac0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Hi G?ran,

just a note - the time for a hoax was perfect,
some days ago that video, showing a cool cloud-formation,
was widely broadcasted through the Eastern Europe TV-stations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-XljlBRF6M&hl=de

So the attention was granted.
Best!
Martin


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von G?ran
Axelsson
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009 17:14
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite

It looks fake to me too. The sides are too shallow to be created by an 
impact. It looks more like something created by a blast in soft clay 
than a shock wave from an impact. If you compare it to other similar 
craters it doesn't look right (Sikhote-Aline, Carancas).
I believe that a hard impactor in a hard target would create a shallower 
crater but in a soft target it would penetrate deeper and make a steeper 
crater. Like a bullet striking a bullet proof glass creates a flat wide 
crater while in water or dirt it travels a long way before it stops.

Then we have the fire that is a dead giveaway.

  :-D

Anyhow, it seems to be a massive hoax unless it was blasted. Either it 
was dug by hand by 50 people in one week or blasted with two tons of 
fertiliser, some diesel oil and a stick of dynamite.

I would guess that this is a pr stunt in the 2012 mass hysteria that is 
sweeping the planet right now and that it was created by explosives.

/G?ran

Melanie Matthews wrote:
> Meteorites don't continue burning after they fall as shown in the Youtube
video (unless it fell onto something combustible which doesn't appear to be
the case hear) which tells me this is probably a hoax.. But if this is true
- could 2009 hold the world record for the number of witnessed falls (not
counting showers of course) in one year? 
>
> Regards 
> -----------
> Melanie 
> IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>  
> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know
what you're gonna get! 
>
>   

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From mmurray at montrose.net  Mon Oct 26 13:37:23 2009
From: mmurray at montrose.net (Michael Murray)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:37:23 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] naval jelly soak gone wrong
Message-ID: <A614C9D8-F826-493B-BC4E-E65E07E2FCD4@montrose.net>

Hi All,
I have a question if I might please.  I had put some small (suspect)  
irons in naval jelly then neutralized it with baking soda and then  
removed them and rinsed them.  Then I had wire brushed them with a  
small hand held brush.  Several pieces came clean and chrome looking  
for the most but they still had a couple places where the buildup of  
corrosion was still there.  So I put them back in with some other  
pieces to soak in the naval jelly some more.  When I removed them the  
second time, I found all three pieces that I had wire brushed once  
before were now heavily coated all over again.  The coating was blue  
and grey crystals looking.  I tried wire brushing that off only to  
find that now the brushing leaves them looking like they are coated  
with oxide again.  It is like the naval jelly soak worked in reverse.   
The other pieces that I had thrown in the navel jelly soak with them  
did not get wire brushed previously and they came out clean.  So I  
learned don't soak them twice but not sure why exactly.   Now I'm  
wondering if someone can tell me what will take the new coating off?   
Anyone have a similar experience?

Mike in CO


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 26 13:50:07 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:50:07 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
References: <E5447B5268204E9B933CA80FAFBF09E3@whitmerjbqtim1><BLU137-W1672CEE333B8649432E9ED6BA0@phx.gbl>
	<4AE5CAAF.7040903@acc.umu.se>
Message-ID: <4AF680A737B946C5B9FA9D24DB28B065@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, List,

    This "crater" shows every sign of being caused
by the collapse of soil into an underground void
of some kind, natural or artificial. The slope of the
walls (~45 degrees), the near-perfect circularity,
the total absence of any material beyond the
outline of the "crater" all point to this origin, even
the linear "slip-slope" striations on the walls. No
explosive event could have caused what we see
in the few photos.

    My two cents worth, equal to about 0.01 Latvian
Lat (LVL) at the current exchange rate.


Sterling K. Webb
-----------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "G?ran Axelsson" <axelsson at acc.umu.se>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite


It looks fake to me too. The sides are too shallow to be created by an
impact. It looks more like something created by a blast in soft clay
than a shock wave from an impact. If you compare it to other similar
craters it doesn't look right (Sikhote-Aline, Carancas).
I believe that a hard impactor in a hard target would create a shallower
crater but in a soft target it would penetrate deeper and make a steeper
crater. Like a bullet striking a bullet proof glass creates a flat wide
crater while in water or dirt it travels a long way before it stops.

Then we have the fire that is a dead giveaway.

  :-D

Anyhow, it seems to be a massive hoax unless it was blasted. Either it
was dug by hand by 50 people in one week or blasted with two tons of
fertiliser, some diesel oil and a stick of dynamite.

I would guess that this is a pr stunt in the 2012 mass hysteria that is
sweeping the planet right now and that it was created by explosives.

/G?ran

Melanie Matthews wrote:
> Meteorites don't continue burning after they fall as shown in the 
> Youtube video (unless it fell onto something combustible which doesn't 
> appear to be the case hear) which tells me this is probably a hoax.. 
> But if this is true - could 2009 hold the world record for the number 
> of witnessed falls (not counting showers of course) in one year?
> Regards -----------
> Melanie IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>  Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never 
> know what you're gonna get!
>

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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 26 14:01:00 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:01:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
References: <08A677E3-17AE-43BF-992E-48D25FE98520@hvc.rr.com><f0a794130910260842m44ff0e9dp9b92a9565c19e6b5@mail.gmail.com><rrkbe59mvokbn4ga7qtu0ua31gilrg2at9@4ax.com>
	<93aaac890910260852p1332082fs6406dd624620c930@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D91125C3EBC648F5AF0E43879E181541@D190TH71>

That you-tube video looked like someone has been learning from Hollywood 
disaster films.
What a hoot!
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater


> Right - take a look at the ejecta blanket. With Carancas, large dirt
> clods were sent flying hundreds of feet from what I'd heard.  This
> crater's rim looks downright tidy, and not a single piece of ejecta
> looks like it got more than five to ten feet from the edge of the
> crater.
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> 
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:42:49 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>>if its on cnn then it must be true.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/latvian-meteorite-crater-is-a-hoax_100266012.html
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From fujmon at mac.com  Mon Oct 26 14:02:32 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:02:32 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <D91125C3EBC648F5AF0E43879E181541@D190TH71>
References: <08A677E3-17AE-43BF-992E-48D25FE98520@hvc.rr.com>
	<f0a794130910260842m44ff0e9dp9b92a9565c19e6b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<rrkbe59mvokbn4ga7qtu0ua31gilrg2at9@4ax.com>
	<93aaac890910260852p1332082fs6406dd624620c930@mail.gmail.com>
	<D91125C3EBC648F5AF0E43879E181541@D190TH71>
Message-ID: <80AB7076-3981-464F-9F4D-F9BD65B8A04B@mac.com>

Yeah, kind of like Blair Witch Project meets Deep Impact  ;^)

gary

On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Linton Rohr wrote:

> That you-tube video looked like someone has been learning from  
> Hollywood disaster films.
> What a hoot!
> Linton
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com 
> >
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter  
> crater
>
>
>> Right - take a look at the ejecta blanket. With Carancas, large dirt
>> clods were sent flying hundreds of feet from what I'd heard.  This
>> crater's rim looks downright tidy, and not a single piece of ejecta
>> looks like it got more than five to ten feet from the edge of the
>> crater.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Darren Garrison  
>> <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:42:49 -0400, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> if its on cnn then it must be true.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/latvian-meteorite-crater-is-a-hoax_100266012.html
>>> ______________________________________________
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From mpg4444 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 14:43:57 2009
From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:43:57 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Latvian Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-W1672CEE333B8649432E9ED6BA0@phx.gbl>
References: <E5447B5268204E9B933CA80FAFBF09E3@whitmerjbqtim1>
	<BLU137-W1672CEE333B8649432E9ED6BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ad733150910261143y36a767ecy281d454bae9fcef@mail.gmail.com>

Melanie and others-
   I agree that is is probably a hoax.
   The video is almost creepy like from a sci-fi or horror film.

   I have to wonder if they celebrate Halloween in Lativia and this is a prank.

Mike



On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Melanie Matthews
<spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Meteorites don't continue burning after they fall as shown in the Youtube video (unless it fell onto something combustible which doesn't appear to be the case hear) which tells me this is probably a hoax.. But if this is true - could 2009 hold the world record for the number of witnessed falls (not counting showers of course) in one year?
>
> Regards
> -----------
> Melanie
> IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>
> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get!


From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 26 16:32:44 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:32:44 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
Message-ID: <SNT117-W21D1951E7D4F73349246FCD2BA0@phx.gbl>


All:
What is the Largest "Fall" known, and what was the size of the crater made?

Greg S.
 		 	   		  
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From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Oct 26 17:45:00 2009
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:45:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tele2 admits meteorite things inscenejuma!
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W21D1951E7D4F73349246FCD2BA0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT117-W21D1951E7D4F73349246FCD2BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <716ce5lmeduc7dqq5hu08gsd78mi4oif69@4ax.com>

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.diena.lv%2Flat%2Fpolitics%2Fhot%2Ftele2-atzistas-meteorita-lietas-inscenejuma&sl=lv&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Okay, the translation leaves a bit to be desired...


From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 26 16:47:17 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:47:17 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tele2 admits meteorite things inscenejuma!
In-Reply-To: <716ce5lmeduc7dqq5hu08gsd78mi4oif69@4ax.com>
References: <SNT117-W21D1951E7D4F73349246FCD2BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W38A8A4D1E1323DB251B933D2BA0@phx.gbl>


 <716ce5lmeduc7dqq5hu08gsd78mi4oif69 at 4ax.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0


http://translate.google.com/translate?u=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.diena.lv%2Flat%2=
Fpolitics%2Fhot%2Ftele2-atzistas-meteorita-lietas-inscenejuma&sl=3Dlv&tl=3D=
en&hl=3Den&ie=3DUTF-8

And they charged an entrance fee to view the crater - fantastic

Greg S.



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> Date: Mon=2C 26 Oct 2009 16:45:00 -0500
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Tele2 admits meteorite things inscenejuma!
>
> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.diena.lv%2Flat=
%2Fpolitics%2Fhot%2Ftele2-atzistas-meteorita-lietas-inscenejuma&sl=3Dlv&tl=
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 16:48:29 2009
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:48:29 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890910261348od3b8949r42b024a361002ac0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT117-W21D1951E7D4F73349246FCD2BA0@phx.gbl>
	<93aaac890910261348od3b8949r42b024a361002ac0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93aaac890910261348g43d017a5qfc0568196e446c82@mail.gmail.com>

Yo,
Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter.
Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon
falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin.
Carancas' crater measures in at 13m.
I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas,
but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of
Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could
comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically.
Regards,
Jason

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> All:
> What is the Largest "Fall" known, and what was the size of the crater made?
>
> Greg S.
>
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From vs.petrovich at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 17:28:22 2009
From: vs.petrovich at gmail.com (Sergey Vasiliev)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:28:22 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fall in Latvia, 20 meter crater
In-Reply-To: <468345.99671.qm@web43404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <JPELLBIMOJEBPCPOJGEBAEOICJAA.vs.petrovich@gmail.com>

Finally:
[http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Flen
ta.ru%2Fnews%2F2009%2F10%2F26%2Fconfess%2F&sl=en&tl=ru&history_state0=]
Russian:
http://lenta.ru/news/2009/10/26/confess/

Regards,
Sergey



From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 26 17:53:55 2009
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:53:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October
	26, 2009
In-Reply-To: <502069512-1256563609-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2074076063-@bda267.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <274072.45406.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Michael, and Rob,

  Very interesting pic o' the day, guys. Thanks, Michael, for bringing these images to our collective attention.

  And congrats to you, Rob, on acquiring such a unique and desirable item.
But one word of "warning" ---- its "glowing" like its radioactive, so maybe you better be careful with it ( or just send it to me for safe keeping.  ;-)

  Thanks again, guys.

  Sincerely,
  Robert Woolard

   

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> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 26, 2009
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 8:26 AM
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_26_2009.html
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 26 17:57:50 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:57:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Latvian impact?
Message-ID: <645429.88964.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

Damn, and here I am hoping this one turned out to be a nice hit, as I could use some sales right now. 

Why can't M'si Manito see his way clear to let one of these hit in a vacant field outside of New York City, or Los Angeles, or DC, instead of the Andes of South America, or over an Indonesia island, or in a Lativian field? 

One nice 50 kiloton airburst over Chicago, and I'd be all set for Tucson.

E.P. Grondine
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Mon Oct 26 18:07:11 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:07:11 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
Message-ID: <4AE61D8F.7030208@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Listees, Meteorite Collectors, Scientists, Meteorite Junkies, Addicts 
& All Meteorite Enthusiasts,

A long while ago I discussed an idea for a central meteorite website 
with some community members about the creation of a central hub of 
meteorite knowledge and information database in which everyone could 
participate and contribute through a community of like minded 
individuals. This of course would be for the furtherance of the science 
and hobby of meteoritics, meteorite collecting, meteorite hunting, and 
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A website that would provide an active and evolving database of 
encyclopedic meteorite knowledge and information for the hobbiest, 
scientist and even more so for the curious, as they are the new 
meteorite enthusiasts and possible future meteoriticists.

As the world learns more about meteorites, asteroids, comets, and the 
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For those of you who are unfamiliar with what a wiki is, it's an online 
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Introducing The Meteorite Wiki: www.meteoritewiki.com

The Meteorite Wiki runs on the same software that runs the world famous 
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 18:12:22 2009
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:12:22 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <C70B67D7.EC04%tbear1@cableone.net>
References: <93aaac890910261348g43d017a5qfc0568196e446c82@mail.gmail.com>
	<C70B67D7.EC04%tbear1@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <93aaac890910261512i580514d7md7cd87ee32a90cb5@mail.gmail.com>

Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a
witnessed fall.  If we're going to start listing every crater
associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer
list.
The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of
legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin.  Another list member
suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the
description of the impact features found:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P

- That this is an impact pit, not a crater.  Note the description of
sheer walls, etc.
Regards,
Jason

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net> wrote:
> ?Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater
> - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website.
>
> Ted Bunch
>
>
> On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yo,
>> Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter.
>> Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon
>> falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin.
>> Carancas' crater measures in at 13m.
>> I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas,
>> but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of
>> Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could
>> comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically.
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All:
>>> What is the Largest "Fall" known, and what was the size of the crater made?
>>>
>>> Greg S.
>>>
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From tbear1 at cableone.net  Mon Oct 26 17:51:03 2009
From: tbear1 at cableone.net (Ted Bunch)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:51:03 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890910261348g43d017a5qfc0568196e446c82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C70B67D7.EC04%tbear1@cableone.net>

 Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater
- 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website.

Ted Bunch


On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yo,
> Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter.
> Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon
> falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin.
> Carancas' crater measures in at 13m.
> I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas,
> but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of
> Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could
> comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically.
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> All:
>> What is the Largest "Fall" known, and what was the size of the crater made?
>> 
>> Greg S.
>> 
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From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Mon Oct 26 18:25:10 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:25:10 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890910261512i580514d7md7cd87ee32a90cb5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <93aaac890910261348g43d017a5qfc0568196e446c82@mail.gmail.com><C70B67D7.EC04%tbear1@cableone.net><93aaac890910261512i580514d7md7cd87ee32a90cb5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2122443723-1256596003-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-231275228-@bda677.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I did some research on Sterlitamak, Russia for a presentation I gave to the Colorado Scientific Society in late 2008 on Non-Terminal Meteorite Impacts: The Case for Studying Small Cratering Events.  Here is a summary of what I dug up on Sterlitamak:
-Formed a crater 30 ft wide by 18 ft deep
-Rays of ejecta extended 100 ft from crater
-Blocks of soil and bedrock lined crater walls, 20 in dia. thrown 300 ft.
-Impact breccias at crater floor to depth of 26 ft.
-Impact velocity 2-3 km/sec
-Impactor approx .9 m in dia and weighed 2-3 tons
-Equiv to 1.5-2 tons TNT

Sounds like a crater to me. I do believe it had an overturned flap of debris at the rim as well.

Matt
----------------------
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Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:12:22 
To: Ted Bunch<tbear1 at cableone.net>; Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite

Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a
witnessed fall.  If we're going to start listing every crater
associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer
list.
The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of
legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin.  Another list member
suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the
description of the impact features found:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P

- That this is an impact pit, not a crater.  Note the description of
sheer walls, etc.
Regards,
Jason

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net> wrote:
> ?Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater
> - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website.
>
> Ted Bunch
>
>
> On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yo,
>> Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter.
>> Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon
>> falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin.
>> Carancas' crater measures in at 13m.
>> I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas,
>> but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of
>> Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could
>> comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically.
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All:
>>> What is the Largest "Fall" known, and what was the size of the crater made?
>>>
>>> Greg S.
>>>
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 18:41:35 2009
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:41:35 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <2122443723-1256596003-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-231275228-@bda677.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <93aaac890910261348g43d017a5qfc0568196e446c82@mail.gmail.com>
	<C70B67D7.EC04%tbear1@cableone.net>
	<93aaac890910261512i580514d7md7cd87ee32a90cb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<2122443723-1256596003-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-231275228-@bda677.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <93aaac890910261541y516ab39epd88cfac7e6090c4c@mail.gmail.com>

Right - the report I cited noted a mass about half that weight (1-1.5
tons) and vertical walls; I could be wrong, but I thought that the
determinant had to do with upended strata.  If anyone here has the
criteria for what determines a crater versus an impact pit, I'd be
much obliged - if there is indeed a clear-cut definition.
Regards,
Jason

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Matt Morgan <mail at mhmeteorites.com> wrote:
> I did some research on Sterlitamak, Russia for a presentation I gave to the Colorado Scientific Society in late 2008 on Non-Terminal Meteorite Impacts: The Case for Studying Small Cratering Events. ?Here is a summary of what I dug up on Sterlitamak:
> -Formed a crater 30 ft wide by 18 ft deep
> -Rays of ejecta extended 100 ft from crater
> -Blocks of soil and bedrock lined crater walls, 20 in dia. thrown 300 ft.
> -Impact breccias at crater floor to depth of 26 ft.
> -Impact velocity 2-3 km/sec
> -Impactor approx .9 m in dia and weighed 2-3 tons
> -Equiv to 1.5-2 tons TNT
>
> Sounds like a crater to me. I do believe it had an overturned flap of debris at the rim as well.
>
> Matt
> ----------------------
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:12:22
> To: Ted Bunch<tbear1 at cableone.net>; Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
>
> Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a
> witnessed fall. ?If we're going to start listing every crater
> associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer
> list.
> The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of
> legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin. ?Another list member
> suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the
> description of the impact features found:
>
> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P
>
> - That this is an impact pit, not a crater. ?Note the description of
> sheer walls, etc.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>> ?Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater
>> - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website.
>>
>> Ted Bunch
>>
>>
>> On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yo,
>>> Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter.
>>> Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon
>>> falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin.
>>> Carancas' crater measures in at 13m.
>>> I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas,
>>> but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of
>>> Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could
>>> comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically.
>>> Regards,
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All:
>>>> What is the Largest "Fall" known, and what was the size of the crater made?
>>>>
>>>> Greg S.
>>>>
>>>>_________________________________________________________________
>>>> Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT
>>>> AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009
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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 26 18:42:17 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:42:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Tucson Show" GPS Poi File [WAS: Tucson Meteorite
	Auction Catalog now up - call for entries]
In-Reply-To: <C70A14F0.8789%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <230978.38750.qm@web33903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Micheal's post about the meteorite auction apparently jogged a few memories, and I got some private emails about my POI file.

For those using GPS units in their cars to navigate around Tucson during the shows come February, I have created a file that can be loaded into your unit and get turn by turn directions to the various locations.

Included in this file is the location of the Meteorite Auction.

The file can be found on the excellent website "POI Factory" here:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/24678

What this file is:

A file that has the locations, names and addresses and in some cases contact phone numbers for the 42 Tucson shows of 2010.

It is intended to be loaded into GPS navigation units to provide turn-by-turn directions to whatever show you would like to attend.

While it is supposed to be loaded into a GPS unit, it can also be opened in Google Earth.

What it is not:

It is not a file that is intended to be opened with any other programs, though if you want to read through the mark up language, you can open it in any text editor and figure out names, addresses, etc. pretty easily.

It is not intended to printed and be used as a aid to navigate around Tucson using paper maps.

It is not intended to be a shortcut to using a websites like Google maps to input addresses and obtain directions.

It is not intended to be a replacement for the multitude of show guides that are available for free just about everywhere around town.

See you all in Tucson come February and drive safe.

--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081



      


From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 26 18:47:21 2009
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:47:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Latvian Impact?
Message-ID: <COL108-W3262DD9030C1DC4B65C2209BBA0@phx.gbl>


Is there somebody in Chicago you don't like? :)

Carl


E.P.Grondine wrote:
>...One nice 50 kiloton airburst over Chicago, and I'd be all set for Tucson.

 		 	   		  
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From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Mon Oct 26 18:48:23 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:48:23 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
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According to the AGI Glossary of Geology (4th ed)...
"An approximately circular or polygonal depression in the surface of a planetary object, having a diameter that may range from a few cm to hundreds of km and a depth that is small relative to its diameter."

This definition seems pretty loose to me.  Perhaps it should have a raised rim (although if deeply weathered it may no longer exist) and be the result of a hypervelocity impact (not a bomb explosion).  What about impact breccias?
Matt
----------------------
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:41:35 
To: Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite

Right - the report I cited noted a mass about half that weight (1-1.5
tons) and vertical walls; I could be wrong, but I thought that the
determinant had to do with upended strata.  If anyone here has the
criteria for what determines a crater versus an impact pit, I'd be
much obliged - if there is indeed a clear-cut definition.
Regards,
Jason

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Matt Morgan <mail at mhmeteorites.com> wrote:
> I did some research on Sterlitamak, Russia for a presentation I gave to the Colorado Scientific Society in late 2008 on Non-Terminal Meteorite Impacts: The Case for Studying Small Cratering Events. ?Here is a summary of what I dug up on Sterlitamak:
> -Formed a crater 30 ft wide by 18 ft deep
> -Rays of ejecta extended 100 ft from crater
> -Blocks of soil and bedrock lined crater walls, 20 in dia. thrown 300 ft.
> -Impact breccias at crater floor to depth of 26 ft.
> -Impact velocity 2-3 km/sec
> -Impactor approx .9 m in dia and weighed 2-3 tons
> -Equiv to 1.5-2 tons TNT
>
> Sounds like a crater to me. I do believe it had an overturned flap of debris at the rim as well.
>
> Matt
> ----------------------
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:12:22
> To: Ted Bunch<tbear1 at cableone.net>; Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
>
> Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a
> witnessed fall. ?If we're going to start listing every crater
> associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer
> list.
> The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of
> legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin. ?Another list member
> suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the
> description of the impact features found:
>
> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P
>
> - That this is an impact pit, not a crater. ?Note the description of
> sheer walls, etc.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>> ?Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater
>> - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website.
>>
>> Ted Bunch
>>
>>
>> On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yo,
>>> Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter.
>>> Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon
>>> falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin.
>>> Carancas' crater measures in at 13m.
>>> I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas,
>>> but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of
>>> Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could
>>> comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically.
>>> Regards,
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All:
>>>> What is the Largest "Fall" known, and what was the size of the crater made?
>>>>
>>>> Greg S.
>>>>
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From larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net  Mon Oct 26 18:56:42 2009
From: larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net (Larry & Twink Monrad)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:56:42 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show trivia FYI
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I just returned from a drive to downtown Tucson, and I noted that the 
former Innsuites on Granada, where many of the meteorite dealers have sales 
rooms, and the ballroom contains the big fossil show,  is now called:

Hotel Tucson City Center  (in huge letters on sign)

and

 Innsuites Boutique is in smaller letters at bottom of sign

I go downtown frequently, and this was a surprise to me today.

Twink Monrad




From damoclid at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 26 19:02:52 2009
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:02:52 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show trivia FYI
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Thanks Twink.

I had noticed this a week or two ago but I have not changed the entry for the "Arizona Mineral & Fossil Show (A) (The actual name of the show there).

I think for the most part people know it as "the Innsuites", and my guess is the smaller name now on the sign won't change any time soon so I'll add that in the next update of my poi file.

--
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http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Mon, 10/26/09, Larry & Twink Monrad <larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Larry & Twink Monrad <larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net>
> Subject: Tucson Show trivia FYI
> To: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>, "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 3:56 PM
> I just returned from a drive to
> downtown Tucson, and I noted that the former Innsuites on
> Granada, where many of the meteorite dealers have sales
> rooms, and the ballroom contains the big fossil show,?
> is now called:
> 
> Hotel Tucson City Center? (in huge letters on sign)
> 
> and
> 
> Innsuites Boutique is in smaller letters at bottom of sign
> 
> I go downtown frequently, and this was a surprise to me
> today.
> 
> Twink Monrad
> 
> 
> 


      


From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Mon Oct 26 19:00:43 2009
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:00:43 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
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	<93aaac890910261512i580514d7md7cd87ee32a90cb5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE62A1B.4050305@usgs.gov>

Wabar may well be a witnessed fall.  It also produced a 13-m crater.

jeff

Jason Utas wrote:
> Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a
> witnessed fall.  If we're going to start listing every crater
> associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer
> list.
> The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of
> legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin.  Another list member
> suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the
> description of the impact features found:
>
> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P
>
> - That this is an impact pit, not a crater.  Note the description of
> sheer walls, etc.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>   
>>  Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater
>> - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website.
>>
>> Ted Bunch
>>
>>
>> On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Yo,
>>> Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter.
>>> Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon
>>> falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin.
>>> Carancas' crater measures in at 13m.
>>> I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas,
>>> but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of
>>> Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could
>>> comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically.
>>> Regards,
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> All:
>>>> What is the Largest "Fall" known, and what was the size of the crater made?
>>>>
>>>> Greg S.
>>>>
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From jgregoryw at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 19:09:44 2009
From: jgregoryw at gmail.com (J. Gregory Wilson)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:09:44 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] collection databases?
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Hi, folks -

After a brief 3-year hiatus from the list, I have a question -   What
database/software programs do collectors use and recommend for meteorite
collections?  I had purchased a database program some years ago, I think it
was called MetCollector, but a few computer-upgrades later, I somehow lost
the program and I'm not finding it online any more, unless I'm just not
looking in the right place.  I currently have all my collection info saved
in Excel format, so do I have complete records but it's not very "cool"  -
it would be nice to have something which allowed for individual photographs
of specimens, perhaps preinstalled info on common stones, etc, more bells
and whistles than just bare-bones-Excel-record-keeping can offer.

As far as shareware, I've played around with the products at
www.primasoft.com and it looks like one could end up with a
meteorite-friendly database, but it might take more customizing-work than
lazy-me might be willing to expend.  Thoughts?


  Gregory

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From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 26 19:17:08 2009
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:17:08 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Galileo Block Party in Hilo
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References: <mailman.162.1256572343.24053.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
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Hi Gary, All,

Funny you should write this. I will be doing a talk on meteorites at my son's boy scout troop tonight. I wont have much time as other parents will also be talking about their hobbies. I'm bringing my little Lunar, Martian, Angrite, Allende, Murchison, Weston, Carancas, AlH76009 and other chrondrites. Also some larger irons, pallasite, meso and my little KT Boundary material. I plan to give away some uNWA slices/individuals and irons. My sons thinks I'll put everyone to sleep but I figure these freebies will keep them on their toes. A little bribe wont hurt. Thanks to Chicago Steve for his freebies and generous donation/deals
from Johnny Humphries and other collectors I have gotten stuff from in
the past.

Wish me luck. Carl


Gary Fujihara wrote:

> I'd like to share some information about a great outreach event that
> took place over the weekend. As a feature of the International Year
> of Astronomy, the Galileo Block Party was held on astronomy row in the
> University Park of Science and Technology on the campus of the
> University of Hawai?i at Hilo (UHH) on the Big Island of Hawai?i.
> Most of the observatories on Mauna Kea, UHH Physics and Astronomy
> Dept, and amateur astronomy groups participated by engaging in
> interactive outreach with thousands of visitors during the five hour
> event...

>
> ...Meteorites are great to find, collect, cherish and admire. But what a
> lonely existence should they only languish in an unseen private
> collection. I urge members to share your collections with your
> respective communities. Its as much fun as finding your own fresh,
> fully crusted chondrite. Okay I lied, not that much fun, but very
> fulfilling and who knows? Maybe an opportunity to inspire others to
> pursue this hobby/obsession/business.

 		 	   		  
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 19:02:55 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:02:55 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910261602pcadb81dv5088bd84a1ab01c3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

The disclaimer: My main purpose for posting this is because I know
very little about achondrite meteorites. This is because (as a general
rule) I only collect what I find, and though I've found lots of
meteorites this is my first achondrite find.

As most already know this find is currently being classified by
Laurence Garvie at ASU. However, while we wait for the official
classification I thought it would be fun and enlightening to show the
section and see if the guesses change from before. It would be great
to hear from some of the great minds on this forum - Ted Bunch, the
Hupe's, etc.. - but any ones guess is welcome and interesting to me.

According to the (4) meteoriticists that have seen the thin section -
it is NOT a pallasite or chondrite. However, no one can definitively
ID this meteorite instead they gave a few guesses - "primitive
achondrite like."

This thin section was pictured with a home made cross polarized light
set-up I made. It?s not the best but I hope it's good enough to give
an idea.

Look here:
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/rubengarciasmeteorite.htm

Meteorite picutres as found/cut and polished
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm

-- 
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Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u


From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 26 19:58:02 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:58:02 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
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References: <80659e1a0910261602pcadb81dv5088bd84a1ab01c3@mail.gmail.com>
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Ruben:
I say a metal-rich Diogenite.
An absolutely beautiful piece.
Greg S.

----------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:02:55 -0700
> From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
>
> Hi all,
>
> The disclaimer: My main purpose for posting this is because I know
> very little about achondrite meteorites. This is because (as a general
> rule) I only collect what I find, and though I've found lots of
> meteorites this is my first achondrite find.
>
> As most already know this find is currently being classified by
> Laurence Garvie at ASU. However, while we wait for the official
> classification I thought it would be fun and enlightening to show the
> section and see if the guesses change from before. It would be great
> to hear from some of the great minds on this forum - Ted Bunch, the
> Hupe's, etc.. - but any ones guess is welcome and interesting to me.
>
> According to the (4) meteoriticists that have seen the thin section -
> it is NOT a pallasite or chondrite. However, no one can definitively
> ID this meteorite instead they gave a few guesses - "primitive
> achondrite like."
>
> This thin section was pictured with a home made cross polarized light
> set-up I made. It?s not the best but I hope it's good enough to give
> an idea.
>
> Look here:
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/rubengarciasmeteorite.htm
>
> Meteorite picutres as found/cut and polished
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm
>
> --
> Ruben Garcia (Mr-Meteorite)
>
> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 26 20:07:23 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:07:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Shiva
Message-ID: <653414.39384.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

http://www.economist.com/sciencetechnology/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14698363

Crikey, a double whammy.

Perhaps Keller will shut up now, and whoever funded her will be fired.

One has to wonder why neither the USGS nor NASA managed to locate this one. 

If anyone has any answer, do let us know.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas




      


From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 26 20:21:13 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:21:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson GPS file
Message-ID: <352754.42784.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Richard - 

But does your GPS database include the No-tell Motel? 

For what Inn Suites was charging the dealers, it strikes me that they could come out ahead getting together and buying that one and using it for the show.

Ed





      


From dave at fallingrocks.com  Mon Oct 26 20:17:30 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:17:30 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bernard Vajdl
Message-ID: <82EDE55CA6B74EA288F39C98892760B6@meteorroom>

Please contact me off list...
Thanks,
Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 



From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 21:08:38 2009
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:08:38 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] More pics up on Flickr
Message-ID: <93aaac890910261808m336e8631q42e71ea12787166c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
About a month ago, I started uploading a few new photos on Flickr -
some hunting photos and shots of some irons, etc.
I'm finally done - not because I'm out of photos, but because Flickr
imposes a 200 photo limit on free accounts.
It's full!

www.flickr.com/cameteoritefinder - newer ones at the end of the meteorite set.

If you have any questions about any of the photos or meteorites,
please don't hesitate to ask - I skimped on a lot of the information
that I would otherwise have liked to have added due to a lack of
available time over here.
Regards,
Jason


From fcressy at prodigy.net  Mon Oct 26 21:15:34 2009
From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:15:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <4AE62A1B.4050305@usgs.gov>
References: <93aaac890910261348g43d017a5qfc0568196e446c82@mail.gmail.com>
	<C70B67D7.EC04%tbear1@cableone.net>
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	<4AE62A1B.4050305@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <263489.37438.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I know this doesn't answer the original question, but the thread seems to have morphed into the largest "witnessed" cratering event.
Kaali is not?officially witnessed, but it certainly could have been.

The Kaali group of craters, on the Estonian island of Saaremaa,?are estimated to be only 4000 (+/- 1000) years old.
The largest is?about 110 meters in diameter and about 22 meters deep.???Some iron fragments (Kaalijarv, IAB main group) were found associated with the craters.

A link follows: http://www.7is7.com/otto/estonia/kaali.html

Cheers,

Frank




________________________________
From: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
To: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:00:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite

Wabar may well be a witnessed fall.? It also produced a 13-m crater.

jeff

Jason Utas wrote:
> Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a
> witnessed fall.? If we're going to start listing every crater
> associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer
> list.
> The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of
> legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin.? Another list member
> suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the
> description of the impact features found:
>
> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P
>
> - That this is an impact pit, not a crater.? Note the description of
> sheer walls, etc.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>? 
>>? Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater
>> - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website.
>>
>> Ted Bunch
>>
>>
>> On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>? ? 
>>> Yo,
>>> Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter.
>>> Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon
>>> falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin.
>>> Carancas' crater measures in at 13m.
>>> I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas,
>>> but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of
>>> Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could
>>> comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically.
>>> Regards,
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>? ? ? 
>>>> All:
>>>> What is the Largest "Fall" known, and what was the size of the crater made?
>>>>
>>>> Greg S.
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Mon Oct 26 21:45:03 2009
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:45:03 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Shiva
In-Reply-To: <653414.39384.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <653414.39384.qm@web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC24BE3CBB83CB-448C-89AF@webmail-m008.sysops.aol.com>

Ed,

As you might suspect, the unlikely-shaped, proposed, giant Indian 
impact crater still has not cleared peer review.

If you can demonstrate the Princeton group's chronostratigraphic 
studies are unreasonable, I bet Rich Lane at hlane at nsf.gov would rather 
you just fired him an email.

What does the USGS have to do with this? Do you mean the GSI?

Best wishes

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Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:07 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Shiva



Hi all -

http://www.economist.com/sciencetechnology/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14698363

Crikey, a double whammy.

Perhaps Keller will shut up now, and whoever funded her will be fired.

One has to wonder why neither the USGS nor NASA managed to locate this 
one.

If anyone has any answer, do let us know.

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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 26 21:59:16 2009
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:59:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
Message-ID: <2503201.1256608757077.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

If the criteria includes "probably" witnessed falls... then wouldn't the winner be Canyon Diablo at 1200m diameter and 215m depth from the rim? Odessa is estimated at 210m diameter and 110m depth. I mention Odessa as it is speculated that either fall may have occured as recently as 25,000 years ago. Especially in the case of Odessa. It's pretty much settled science that we had man in these areas at 30,000 years ago. The date of existence of early man in the Western hemisphere continues to be problematical, but I remember when we thought it certain no earlier than 12,000 years ago.

Count Deiro

-----Original Message-----
>From: Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net>
>Sent: Oct 26, 2009 9:15 PM
>To: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>, Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
>
>I know this doesn't answer the original question, but the thread seems to have morphed into the largest "witnessed" cratering event.
>Kaali is not?officially witnessed, but it certainly could have been.
>
>The Kaali group of craters, on the Estonian island of Saaremaa,?are estimated to be only 4000 (+/- 1000) years old.
>The largest is?about 110 meters in diameter and about 22 meters deep.???Some iron fragments (Kaalijarv, IAB main group) were found associated with the craters.
>
>A link follows: http://www.7is7.com/otto/estonia/kaali.html
>
>Cheers,
>
>Frank
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
>To: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:00:43 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
>
>Wabar may well be a witnessed fall.? It also produced a 13-m crater.
>
>jeff
>
>Jason Utas wrote:
>> Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a
>> witnessed fall.? If we're going to start listing every crater
>> associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer
>> list.
>> The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of
>> legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin.? Another list member
>> suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the
>> description of the impact features found:
>>
>> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P
>>
>> - That this is an impact pit, not a crater.? Note the description of
>> sheer walls, etc.
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>? 
>>>? Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater
>>> - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website.
>>>
>>> Ted Bunch
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>? ? 
>>>> Yo,
>>>> Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter.
>>>> Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon
>>>> falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin.
>>>> Carancas' crater measures in at 13m.
>>>> I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas,
>>>> but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of
>>>> Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could
>>>> comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>? ? ? 
>>>>> All:
>>>>> What is the Largest "Fall" known, and what was the size of the crater made?
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg S.
>>>>>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>> Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT
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>
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From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Mon Oct 26 22:08:13 2009
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:08:13 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <2503201.1256608757077.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <2503201.1256608757077.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1148746231-1256609377-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-549058232-@bda677.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

OSL dates of the Odessa crater impact breccias put it at 63 ka (Holliday et al, 2005).

Matt
Matt 
----------------------
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http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
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-----Original Message-----
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:59:16 
To: Frank Cressy<fcressy at prodigy.net>; Jeff Grossman<jgrossman at usgs.gov>; Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite

If the criteria includes "probably" witnessed falls... then wouldn't the winner be Canyon Diablo at 1200m diameter and 215m depth from the rim? Odessa is estimated at 210m diameter and 110m depth. I mention Odessa as it is speculated that either fall may have occured as recently as 25,000 years ago. Especially in the case of Odessa. It's pretty much settled science that we had man in these areas at 30,000 years ago. The date of existence of early man in the Western hemisphere continues to be problematical, but I remember when we thought it certain no earlier than 12,000 years ago.

Count Deiro

-----Original Message-----
>From: Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net>
>Sent: Oct 26, 2009 9:15 PM
>To: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>, Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
>
>I know this doesn't answer the original question, but the thread seems to have morphed into the largest "witnessed" cratering event.
>Kaali is not?officially witnessed, but it certainly could have been.
>
>The Kaali group of craters, on the Estonian island of Saaremaa,?are estimated to be only 4000 (+/- 1000) years old.
>The largest is?about 110 meters in diameter and about 22 meters deep.???Some iron fragments (Kaalijarv, IAB main group) were found associated with the craters.
>
>A link follows: http://www.7is7.com/otto/estonia/kaali.html
>
>Cheers,
>
>Frank
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
>To: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:00:43 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
>
>Wabar may well be a witnessed fall.? It also produced a 13-m crater.
>
>jeff
>
>Jason Utas wrote:
>> Right, but I don't believe that Campo del Cielo is noted as a
>> witnessed fall.? If we're going to start listing every crater
>> associated with meteorite fragments, we're going to get a much longer
>> list.
>> The only accepted witnessed falls that have led to the formation of
>> legitimate craters are Carancas and Sikhote Alin.? Another list member
>> suggested Sterlitamak; I still believe that, according to the
>> description of the impact features found:
>>
>> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P
>>
>> - That this is an impact pit, not a crater.? Note the description of
>> sheer walls, etc.
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net> wrote:
>>? 
>>>? Rubin de Celis crater of the Campo del Cielo strewn field is a real crater
>>> - 0.04 km dia with a raised rim. - see Passc Website.
>>>
>>> Ted Bunch
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/26/09 1:48 PM, "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>? ? 
>>>> Yo,
>>>> Sikhote-Alin, the largest crater at 26m in diameter.
>>>> Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon
>>>> falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin.
>>>> Carancas' crater measures in at 13m.
>>>> I suppose falls like Gao could have been larger in mass than Caracas,
>>>> but I don't know if we even have a good estimate of the mass of
>>>> Carancas, so perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the event could
>>>> comment; the reports I could find online conflicted drastically.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>? ? ? 
>>>>> All:
>>>>> What is the Largest "Fall" known, and what was the size of the crater made?
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg S.
>>>>>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>> Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT
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From bandk at chorus.net  Tue Oct 27 10:32:09 2009
From: bandk at chorus.net (Becky and Kirk)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:32:09 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-FOR SALE: GREAT PRICE$$ (2) Unique Austrian
	Meteorite stamps (Meteorite dust in the stamp itself!!)
Message-ID: <2727435029E24B5F9E9B32ABF128632E@owner55652f88b>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Becky and Kirk" <bandk at chorus.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:37 PM
Subject: AD: FOR SALE: Austrian Meteorite stamp & Micro's NWA3157, NWA3151 & 
NWA978


 Hi All,
 I have (2) Austrian Meteorite stamps for sale This stamp has Meteorite dust 
& bits in the stamp itself! A very cool item. No longer available. Produced 
in March of 2006 by Austria. Has tiny bits of a Chondrite Meteorite imbedded 
in the tail of the Meteorite on the stamp!

Very unique stamp from 2006. Very good shape, kept in container. Comes in 
its own little matte and plastic holder---NEAT!! (Pics on Request) Dom't 
wait on these!!

($25.00 or BEST OFFER for each). FREE SHIPPING!

 Please contact me off-list at: bandk at chorus.net.

 Thank you much!
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From bandk at chorus.net  Tue Oct 27 10:35:13 2009
From: bandk at chorus.net (Becky and Kirk)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:35:13 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-FOR SALE: GREAT PRICE$$ (2) Unique Austrian
	Meteorite stamps (Meteorite dust in the stamp itself!!)
References: <2727435029E24B5F9E9B32ABF128632E@owner55652f88b>
Message-ID: <46E484BE68074F2F870E6D83D5ED8FE7@owner55652f88b>

Hi All,
I have (2) Austrian Meteorite stamps for sale This stamp has Meteorite dust
 & bits in the stamp itself! A very cool item. No longer available. Produced
 in March of 2006 by Austria. Has tiny bits of a Chondrite Meteorite 
imbedded
 in the tail of the Meteorite on the stamp!

 Very unique stamp from 2006. Very good shape, kept in container. Comes in
 its own little matte and plastic holder---NEAT!! (Pics on Request)
Don't wait on these!!

 ($25.00 or BEST OFFER for each). FREE SHIPPING!

 Please contact me off-list at: bandk at chorus.net.

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From jkellybeatty at comcast.net  Tue Oct 27 11:09:48 2009
From: jkellybeatty at comcast.net (Kelly Beatty)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:09:48 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
In-Reply-To: <93aaac890910261348g43d017a5qfc0568196e446c82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT117-W21D1951E7D4F73349246FCD2BA0@phx.gbl><93aaac890910261348od3b8949r42b024a361002ac0@mail.gmail.com>
	<93aaac890910261348g43d017a5qfc0568196e446c82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EFDA0BE6466C4BD3929C7DB4438F0103@NightSkyGuy>

Jason et al...

> Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon
> falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin.

there's also Sterlitamak, a 1990 fall in Russia that left a 10-m crater:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P


clear skies,
Kelly

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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 14:51:26 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:51:26 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
In-Reply-To: <20091027020812.BTJCU.790704.imail@fed1rmwml37>
References: <80659e1a0910261718s3356d286p113000cae5ce0dc3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091027020812.BTJCU.790704.imail@fed1rmwml37>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910271151l71d4cbamdea18d9e677402f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Carl suggested that I list everyones guesses as to what they think
this meteorite will be classified as. Here is a partial list, (as I
will be adding to it ) many meteoriticists and collectors have seen
this stone, here are some of the brave souls that have dared to
venture a guess.

Come on make a guess if you haven't already.

If I have misquoted your guess or you would like to add (or change ) a
guess please let me know.

List of current guesses here,
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/rubengarciasmeteorite.htm


-- 
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Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 27 14:55:48 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:55:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Odessa
Message-ID: <990863.67509.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

When I visited Odessa I was told that it was suspected to be the impact of a fragment related to the Barringer impactor. My suspicion is that the Barringer impact is seen in the spike of C14 in the INTCAL98 chart around 45,000 BCE. So what is OSL dating anyway, and how accurate is it?

When writing my book, I found no mention of the Barringer impact, but then for North America I was working with eastern materials. Also, the first crossing to the Americas seems to have occured about 45,000 BCE, but even this early date is hotly contested. 

In closing, the Hopi, Navajo, and Zuni elders will share what they want to share from their traditions about later impacts when they want to share it.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas





      


From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Tue Oct 27 15:15:07 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:15:07 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Munich Friday-Evening Fliegerbraeu
Message-ID: <003701ca5739$cca46a40$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

...takes place, as every year.

Friday,  8 p.m. after the show,
in the Fleagerbroy in the nearby village Feldkirchen.

Fliegerbr?u
Sonnenstrasse 2
85622 Feldkirchen-Riem

http://www.fliegerbraeu.de


If you have any questions, just stop over at our table,
Hall A5  booth A5.252,

where you can also inspect our newest planetary sensation!



See you soon!

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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 27 15:25:08 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:25:08 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910271151l71d4cbamdea18d9e677402f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80659e1a0910261718s3356d286p113000cae5ce0dc3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091027020812.BTJCU.790704.imail@fed1rmwml37>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W51791AC4FE1A0E228C210CD2B90@phx.gbl>


 <80659e1a0910271151l71d4cbamdea18d9e677402f at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0


Ruben:

What is the scale of the thin section you posted?
Greg S.

----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue=2C 27 Oct 2009 11:51:26 -0700
> From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com
> To: cdtucson at cox.net
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
>
> Hi all=2C
>
> Carl suggested that I list everyones guesses as to what they think
> this meteorite will be classified as. Here is a partial list=2C (as I
> will be adding to it ) many meteoriticists and collectors have seen
> this stone=2C here are some of the brave souls that have dared to
> venture a guess.
>
> Come on make a guess if you haven't already.
>
> If I have misquoted your guess or you would like to add (or change ) a
> guess please let me know.
>
> List of current guesses here=2C
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/rubengarciasmeteorite.htm
>
>
> --
> Ruben Garcia (Mr-Meteorite)
>
> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=3Dmeteorfright#p/u
> ______________________________________________
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From marcin at meteoryt.net  Tue Oct 27 15:15:31 2009
From: marcin at meteoryt.net (Marcin Cimala)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:15:31 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Gold Pultusk Coin - looking for...
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Hi
Im looking for source of gold Pultusk coins. Some time ago it was available 
but now I cant find any. :(

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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 27 15:45:05 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:45:05 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bright light in sky causes commotion
Message-ID: <SNT117-W60ACE2176858B3F73CD8D0D2B90@phx.gbl>


Can anyone shed some light on this?

Greg S.


http://www.mcphersonsentinel.com/news/x1615057499/Bright-light-in-sky-causes-commotion


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At 3:07 a.m. Tuesday, McPherson County Communications
officers received several reports from citizens and law enforcement officers
regarding a large blue light falling from the sky. Dispatchers spoke with
Saline and Reno County authorities and were advised that
they had also received reports of this phenomena.

The National Weather Service in Wichita, was
contacted and they advised they had received a report of this from Lincoln County.

The general consensus is that it was a meteorite, however there is no
determination as to where it made impact.?


 		 	   		  
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 27 15:49:10 2009
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:49:10 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Blast in Bone a result of falling meteorite:
	Experts
Message-ID: <SNT117-W353E5DC05C6ED1F75232F2D2B90@phx.gbl>


List:

Anyone hear about this?

Greg S.



http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/10/27/blast-bone-a-result-falling-meteorite-experts.html


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After a three-week investigation, astronomers at the
National Aeronautics and Space Agency (Lapan) concluded that an air explosion
that hit Bone waters in South Sulawesi on Oct.
8 was a result of a falling meteorite.



Lapan expert Thomas Djamaluddin said the meteorite struck the atmosphere at a
speed of 20.3 kilometers per second, causing a major blast that equaled an
explosion of 50 kilotons of TNT (trinitrotoluene). ?



The meteorite was part of a 10-meter diameter asteroid, Thomas told kompas.com.



He said falling asteroids rarely caused damage on earth, except for those with
diameters of 25 meters or longer.



The blast sparked rumors of a plane crash as it occurred at the same time that
Indonesian Air Force?s Sukhoi jets and choppers were carrying out routine
sorties.


 		 	   		  
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 27 15:58:13 2009
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:58:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a0910261602pcadb81dv5088bd84a1ab01c3@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Ruben and List members,

My eyes are calibrated for Lunaites right now having just returned from a Mojave hunt. I trained my eyes before the deep desert trip in hopes of actually finding one. After hiking 62 miles last week, I did find a few breccias, some fossil camel bones, an ordinary chondrite and maybe a weathered carbonaceous chondrite.  We even found a stolen vehicle from Utah stashed in a box canyon which we reported.  The police dispatcher was not ready for exact GPS coordinates though.

With my eyes still calibrated in hopes of finding a North American Lunar, my first guess is a Mesosiderite. With that said, I am certainly no expert on thin-sections but do enjoy observing them. I looked for triple-junctions and did not see any in the thin-section image so I do not believe it to be anything primitive like a Winoniate, Lodranite or Acapulcolite. I see no relic chondrules either. If the opaque areas are metal or oxides and not chromite, then there seems to be too much  for a  Diogenite.

That's what makes finds like Ruben's exciting, you do not know what you have until the minerals are recognized in a laboratory.  In any case, it is indeed a rare find.  My blistered feet are testimony to how difficult any meteorite is  to find, congratulations!

Please let us know what the laboratory reports, 

Best Regards,

Adam


    



----- Original Message ----
From: Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com>
To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 4:02:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?

Hi all,

The disclaimer: My main purpose for posting this is because I know
very little about achondrite meteorites. This is because (as a general
rule) I only collect what I find, and though I've found lots of
meteorites this is my first achondrite find.

As most already know this find is currently being classified by
Laurence Garvie at ASU. However, while we wait for the official
classification I thought it would be fun and enlightening to show the
section and see if the guesses change from before. It would be great
to hear from some of the great minds on this forum - Ted Bunch, the
Hupe's, etc.. - but any ones guess is welcome and interesting to me.

According to the (4) meteoriticists that have seen the thin section -
it is NOT a pallasite or chondrite. However, no one can definitively
ID this meteorite instead they gave a few guesses - "primitive
achondrite like."

This thin section was pictured with a home made cross polarized light
set-up I made. It?s not the best but I hope it's good enough to give
an idea.

Look here:
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/rubengarciasmeteorite.htm

Meteorite picutres as found/cut and polished
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm

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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 27 16:02:33 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:02:33 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bright light in sky causes commotion
References: <SNT117-W60ACE2176858B3F73CD8D0D2B90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <756E4674E5D2449D9396669DE2838310@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, Greg, List,

    IF a meteorite were to fall near McPherson, Kansas or
in McPherson County, it would be a marvelous kind of
coincidence. It was while teaching at McPherson College
(in McPherson, of course), that H. H. Nininger first
became interested in meteorites and eventually left
his job there to become a meteorite hunter, researcher,
and scholar.
    It would be satisfying to have a McPherson meteorite.


Sterling K. Webb
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From: "Greg Stanley" <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bright light in sky causes commotion



Can anyone shed some light on this?

Greg S.


http://www.mcphersonsentinel.com/news/x1615057499/Bright-light-in-sky-causes-commotion


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At 3:07 a.m. Tuesday, McPherson County Communications
officers received several reports from citizens and law enforcement 
officers
regarding a large blue light falling from the sky. Dispatchers spoke 
with
Saline and Reno County authorities and were advised that
they had also received reports of this phenomena.

The National Weather Service in Wichita, was
contacted and they advised they had received a report of this from 
Lincoln County.

The general consensus is that it was a meteorite, however there is no
determination as to where it made impact.



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From jkellybeatty at comcast.net  Tue Oct 27 16:03:48 2009
From: jkellybeatty at comcast.net (Kelly Beatty)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:03:48 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Blast in Bone a result of falling
	meteorite:Experts
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W353E5DC05C6ED1F75232F2D2B90@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT117-W353E5DC05C6ED1F75232F2D2B90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6A015436F9134057B6CA7B58465C3D97@NightSkyGuy>

Greg...

> Anyone hear about this?

please see:  http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/home/65960457.html

Djamaluddin is simply regurgitating what NASA's NEO office posted a few days
ago:
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news165.html#report ...

which in turn was issued October 19th by Elizabeth Silber and Peter Brown...

with whom I've been working on this event since October 11th. there might be
DoD sat data on this event. stay tuned.


clear skies,
Kelly

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Senior Contributing Editor
SKY & TELESCOPE
617-416-9991
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Tue Oct 27 16:20:56 2009
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 27 Oct 2009 20:20:56 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000C3000041B6@paulinet.de>

Just like Adam, I've been desperately looking for triple junctions, ... none :-(
Unless it is something "anomalous" my recent guess (olivine diogenite) is
wrong because diogenites do have triple junctions!

I've been looking for chondrules or fragments of chondrules, ... none :-(
Metal-rich + absence of chondrules, does that look like a CH or a CB?

I would expect to find chondrules in a CH chondrite and I would expect
to find larger pyroxenes in a CB chondrite (just think of Gujba, for example!)

*If* the interference colors are correct, this thin section is excessively rich in
brownish pyroxene, and, another *if* it is orthopyroxene, we might be looking
at a metal-rich (anomalous) aubrite.

Oh, well, ...

Bernd



From meteorites at online.nl  Tue Oct 27 16:53:29 2009
From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:53:29 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] 665 GR. Henbury Slice, Cape York Slice 495 GR
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Listoids,

Right now on Ebay.
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Enjoy,
Jan
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 17:18:59 2009
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:18:59 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000000C3000041B6@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.000000C3000041B6@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <80659e1a0910271418j73cd87b5y3b69352259348c37@mail.gmail.com>

Adam, Bernd, Greg, and List members,

Adam, thanks for posting your guess and congratulations on your recent
finds. You say you are no expert (with thin sections) but I know that
you have seen more than a few rare meteorites ? your opinion is
valued!

I have been hitting the dry lake beds nearly every weekend (mainly in
winter months) for several years now, and while I?ve made some great
finds I?m sure this will be my best. Sonny and I join you, (along with
a few others) in the race to see who will find the first American
lunar. It will happen, in fact he and I already have lunar looking (at
least to my untrained eye) contenders.

Bernd,

You too have seen and know a lot more about rare meteorites than I and
yes I am learning a lot from all the responses.

Greg,
As to your question about scale the thin section in on a regular sized
(thin section) slide and in the picture the edges can be seen so that
should give an idea.


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From grf2 at comcast.net  Tue Oct 27 17:20:39 2009
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:20:39 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
References: <4AE61D8F.7030208@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <E1BB10DB57384C5CA84BC9C8933A9446@ASUS>

Outstanding Eric!

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 6:07 PM
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki

> Hi Listees, Meteorite Collectors, Scientists, Meteorite Junkies, Addicts & 
> All Meteorite Enthusiasts,
>
> A long while ago I discussed an idea for a central meteorite website with 
> some community members about the creation of a central hub of meteorite 
> knowledge and information database in which everyone could participate and 
> contribute through a community of like minded individuals. This of course 
> would be for the furtherance of the science and hobby of meteoritics, 
> meteorite collecting, meteorite hunting, and the meteorite industry as a 
> whole.
>
> A website that would provide an active and evolving database of 
> encyclopedic meteorite knowledge and information for the hobbiest, 
> scientist and even more so for the curious, as they are the new meteorite 
> enthusiasts and possible future meteoriticists.
>
> As the world learns more about meteorites, asteroids, comets, and the 
> universe in relation to meteorites what better way to grow this knowledge 
> base than through the first and only meteorite related wiki. For those of 
> you who are unfamiliar with what a wiki is, it's an online collaborative 
> effort to compile information in a community type environment.
>
> Introducing The Meteorite Wiki: www.meteoritewiki.com
>
> The Meteorite Wiki runs on the same software that runs the world famous 
> and beloved Wikipedia.org website, and is robust and feature rich enough 
> to provide the perfect venue to compile the worlds meteorite information 
> into one easy and convenient online database.
>
> Mission Statement: To compile knowledge and share the enjoyment of 
> meteorite science & hobby through an open community wiki in which everyone 
> interested can participate & contribute to the growth of the knowledge of 
> meteorites.
>
> Enjoy...
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
>
> P.S. Those interested in contributing or who would like more information, 
> you're welcome to respond to this thread publicly on-list or privately via 
> email. If you belong to a university or educational institution we would 
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> media to the inclusion in the Meteorite Wiki. We have also reserved the 
> most important website domain name as well for the expansion of the 
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From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 27 19:21:00 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:21:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
In-Reply-To: <E1BB10DB57384C5CA84BC9C8933A9446@ASUS>
References: <4AE61D8F.7030208@meteoritesusa.com>
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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 19:32:19 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:32:19 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy -
	Someone help me understand this.
Message-ID: <e51421550910271632u5ff0bf32q6002f84f2fd71410@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

Recently I was doing some research on various meteorites for an
article I am writing, and I noticed a few entries in the Met Bulletin
database that give all of the details about a meteorite, but then says
that the actual find coordinates are secret or being withheld.

Ok, I understand the motivations behind keeping a location secret.
These motives have been discussed on the List previously, as recently
as the new fall in Arizona that Dr. Schrader found - which
subsequently set off a flurry of espionage and intrigues to find the
fall which Dr. Jack was keeping secret.   Granted.  I can understand
the value of not having 200 amateurs running rough-shod over a new
strewnfield before it is properly documented.  But, once the
strewnfield is mapped, and the team(s) working the field have packed
up and left with their specimens, what is the motivation for keeping
the exact location a secret?  If the fall is known to science and
available to science (meaning, it has been classified and samples are
available for study), then why should the location be kept secret?  Is
it financial reasons, so the original finders can come back on
subsequents trips and deplete the strewnfield for their own
inventories?  Or, is it because the location is on someone's private
property and the owner has requested that the exact location be kept
secret to prevent a flood of trespassers?  If the latter, then how
does this explain the secret coordinates of the NWA desert finds -
some of which are ordinary chondrites out in the open desert that were
catalogued over 10 years ago.  Why are these still being withheld?

It seems to me, that science (and institutions) should not recognize
meteorites whose find/fall locations are being kept secret
intentionally without good explanation - doing so would encourage
profiteering and damage the availability of specimens for scientific
study and private collectors.  If finders wanted to have their falls
officially classified (and reap the benefits of legitimacy that comes
from recognition and inclusion in meteorite catalogues), then they
should have to divulge the coordinates of their finds.  Wouldn't that
take away some of the incentive to keep these locations secret where
the only motivation to do so is personal profit?

I don't want to strike a nerve here or touch off a big debate, I just
want someone to explain to me the reasoning behind anonymous find
locations (not because the location is unknown, but because it is
being withheld) being accepted into the Meteoritical Society database?

Best regards,

MikeG

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Member of the Meteoritical Society.
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Tue Oct 27 19:45:19 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:45:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
In-Reply-To: <E1BB10DB57384C5CA84BC9C8933A9446@ASUS>
References: <4AE61D8F.7030208@meteoritesusa.com>
	<E1BB10DB57384C5CA84BC9C8933A9446@ASUS>
Message-ID: <4AE7860F.5080304@meteoritesusa.com>

Thanks Jerry!

Eric



Jerry Flaherty wrote:
> Outstanding Eric!
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 6:07 PM
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
>
>> Hi Listees, Meteorite Collectors, Scientists, Meteorite Junkies, 
>> Addicts & All Meteorite Enthusiasts,
>>
>> A long while ago I discussed an idea for a central meteorite website 
>> with some community members about the creation of a central hub of 
>> meteorite knowledge and information database in which everyone could 
>> participate and contribute through a community of like minded 
>> individuals. This of course would be for the furtherance of the 
>> science and hobby of meteoritics, meteorite collecting, meteorite 
>> hunting, and the meteorite industry as a whole.
>>
>> A website that would provide an active and evolving database of 
>> encyclopedic meteorite knowledge and information for the hobbiest, 
>> scientist and even more so for the curious, as they are the new 
>> meteorite enthusiasts and possible future meteoriticists.
>>
>> As the world learns more about meteorites, asteroids, comets, and the 
>> universe in relation to meteorites what better way to grow this 
>> knowledge base than through the first and only meteorite related 
>> wiki. For those of you who are unfamiliar with what a wiki is, it's 
>> an online collaborative effort to compile information in a community 
>> type environment.
>>
>> Introducing The Meteorite Wiki: www.meteoritewiki.com
>>
>> The Meteorite Wiki runs on the same software that runs the world 
>> famous and beloved Wikipedia.org website, and is robust and feature 
>> rich enough to provide the perfect venue to compile the worlds 
>> meteorite information into one easy and convenient online database.
>>
>> Mission Statement: To compile knowledge and share the enjoyment of 
>> meteorite science & hobby through an open community wiki in which 
>> everyone interested can participate & contribute to the growth of the 
>> knowledge of meteorites.
>>
>> Enjoy...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
>>
>> P.S. Those interested in contributing or who would like more 
>> information, you're welcome to respond to this thread publicly 
>> on-list or privately via email. If you belong to a university or 
>> educational institution we would love to have you contibute your 
>> articles, papers, photos, video or other media to the inclusion in 
>> the Meteorite Wiki. We have also reserved the most important website 
>> domain name as well for the expansion of the Meteorite Wiki 
>> experiment, meteoritewiki.org. This is to create a non-profit 
>> organization for the site should it be a successful endeavor. For now 
>> though it will be under the .com extension.
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 
>
>



From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Tue Oct 27 19:45:22 2009
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:45:22 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy
 -	Someone help me understand this.
In-Reply-To: <e51421550910271632u5ff0bf32q6002f84f2fd71410@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e51421550910271632u5ff0bf32q6002f84f2fd71410@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE78612.5000106@usgs.gov>

I can address the Meteoritical Society angle on this...

It mainly began with the Labenne meteorites, Sahara xxxxx.  There were 
hundreds of these things appearing around 1997, and scientists were 
already working on them.  We had no prospect of getting the coordinates 
and faced a tough decision: approve meteorites with secret locations or 
risk losing the cooperation of dealers and collectors.  The nomenclature 
committee decided that there was really no choice but to accept the 
meteorites.  There was hope at the time that the coordinates would be 
disclosed in perhaps 5 years, but it never happened.

Meanwhile, scientists are now doing the same thing for the same reason.  
In fact, US Antarctic meteorite locations are kept secret and no longer 
published.  At least we know with those that one day the coordinates 
will be released. 

Jeff

Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> Recently I was doing some research on various meteorites for an
> article I am writing, and I noticed a few entries in the Met Bulletin
> database that give all of the details about a meteorite, but then says
> that the actual find coordinates are secret or being withheld.
>
> Ok, I understand the motivations behind keeping a location secret.
> These motives have been discussed on the List previously, as recently
> as the new fall in Arizona that Dr. Schrader found - which
> subsequently set off a flurry of espionage and intrigues to find the
> fall which Dr. Jack was keeping secret.   Granted.  I can understand
> the value of not having 200 amateurs running rough-shod over a new
> strewnfield before it is properly documented.  But, once the
> strewnfield is mapped, and the team(s) working the field have packed
> up and left with their specimens, what is the motivation for keeping
> the exact location a secret?  If the fall is known to science and
> available to science (meaning, it has been classified and samples are
> available for study), then why should the location be kept secret?  Is
> it financial reasons, so the original finders can come back on
> subsequents trips and deplete the strewnfield for their own
> inventories?  Or, is it because the location is on someone's private
> property and the owner has requested that the exact location be kept
> secret to prevent a flood of trespassers?  If the latter, then how
> does this explain the secret coordinates of the NWA desert finds -
> some of which are ordinary chondrites out in the open desert that were
> catalogued over 10 years ago.  Why are these still being withheld?
>
> It seems to me, that science (and institutions) should not recognize
> meteorites whose find/fall locations are being kept secret
> intentionally without good explanation - doing so would encourage
> profiteering and damage the availability of specimens for scientific
> study and private collectors.  If finders wanted to have their falls
> officially classified (and reap the benefits of legitimacy that comes
> from recognition and inclusion in meteorite catalogues), then they
> should have to divulge the coordinates of their finds.  Wouldn't that
> take away some of the incentive to keep these locations secret where
> the only motivation to do so is personal profit?
>
> I don't want to strike a nerve here or touch off a big debate, I just
> want someone to explain to me the reasoning behind anonymous find
> locations (not because the location is unknown, but because it is
> being withheld) being accepted into the Meteoritical Society database?
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
>   


-- 
Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
954 National Center
Reston, VA 20192, USA




From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Tue Oct 27 19:45:38 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:45:38 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-W575300A0C7189DD46F06AD6B90@phx.gbl>
References: <4AE61D8F.7030208@meteoritesusa.com>
	<BLU137-W575300A0C7189DD46F06AD6B90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AE78622.2010409@meteoritesusa.com>

Thanks Melanie!

Eric



Melanie Matthews wrote:
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> This is great! I'll excited about all the new content to be added..=20
> =A0
> Cheers!=20
> -----------
> Melanie=20
> IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
> =A0
> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what=
>  you're gonna get!=20
>
>
>
>
>   
>> From: grf2 at comcast.net
>> To: eric at meteoritesusa.com=3B meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Tue=2C 27 Oct 2009 17:20:39 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
>> =20
>> Outstanding Eric!
>> =20
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>> Sent: Monday=2C October 26=2C 2009 6:07 PM
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
>> =20
>>     
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>>>       
>  Addicts &=20
>   
>>> All Meteorite Enthusiasts=2C
>>>
>>> A long while ago I discussed an idea for a central meteorite website wit=
>>>       
> h=20
>   
>>> some community members about the creation of a central hub of meteorite=
>>>       
> =20
>   
>>> knowledge and information database in which everyone could participate a=
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> nd=20
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>   
>>> would be for the furtherance of the science and hobby of meteoritics=2C=
>>>       
> =20
>   
>>> meteorite collecting=2C meteorite hunting=2C and the meteorite industry =
>>>       
> as a=20
>   
>>> whole.
>>>
>>> A website that would provide an active and evolving database of=20
>>> encyclopedic meteorite knowledge and information for the hobbiest=2C=20
>>> scientist and even more so for the curious=2C as they are the new meteor=
>>>       
> ite=20
>   
>>> enthusiasts and possible future meteoriticists.
>>>
>>> As the world learns more about meteorites=2C asteroids=2C comets=2C and =
>>>       
> the=20
>   
>>> universe in relation to meteorites what better way to grow this knowledg=
>>>       
> e=20
>   
>>> base than through the first and only meteorite related wiki. For those o=
>>>       
> f=20
>   
>>> you who are unfamiliar with what a wiki is=2C it's an online collaborati=
>>>       
> ve=20
>   
>>> effort to compile information in a community type environment.
>>>
>>> Introducing The Meteorite Wiki: www.meteoritewiki.com
>>>
>>> The Meteorite Wiki runs on the same software that runs the world famous=
>>>       
> =20
>   
>>> and beloved Wikipedia.org website=2C and is robust and feature rich enou=
>>>       
> gh=20
>   
>>> to provide the perfect venue to compile the worlds meteorite information=
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> =20
>   
>>> into one easy and convenient online database.
>>>
>>> Mission Statement: To compile knowledge and share the enjoyment of=20
>>> meteorite science & hobby through an open community wiki in which everyo=
>>>       
> ne=20
>   
>>> interested can participate & contribute to the growth of the knowledge o=
>>>       
> f=20
>   
>>> meteorites.
>>>
>>> Enjoy...
>>>
>>> Regards=2C
>>> Eric Wichman
>>> Meteorites USA
>>>
>>> P.S. Those interested in contributing or who would like more information=
>>>       
> =2C=20
>   
>>> you're welcome to respond to this thread publicly on-list or privately v=
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> ia=20
>   
>>> email. If you belong to a university or educational institution we would=
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> =20
>   
>>> love to have you contibute your articles=2C papers=2C photos=2C video or=
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>>> media to the inclusion in the Meteorite Wiki. We have also reserved the=
>>>       
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>   
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>>> Meteorite Wiki experiment=2C meteoritewiki.org. This is to create a=20
>>> non-profit organization for the site should it be a successful endeavor.=
>>>       
> =20
>   
>>> For now though it will be under the .com extension.
>>> ______________________________________________
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>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 27 19:48:51 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:48:51 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
In-Reply-To: <4AE78622.2010409@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <4AE61D8F.7030208@meteoritesusa.com>
	<BLU137-W575300A0C7189DD46F06AD6B90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W3750A6C25B2656285C8FA0D6B90@phx.gbl>


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You're welcome! I think it will be a success=2C and maybe help spread more =
interest/popularity in space rocks!=20

Best regards=20
-----------
Melanie
IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09

Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what=
 you're gonna get!






----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue=2C 27 Oct 2009 16:45:38 -0700
> From: eric at meteoritesusa.com
> To: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
>
> Thanks Melanie!
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> Melanie Matthews wrote:
>>=20
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>> This is great! I'll excited about all the new content to be added..=3D20
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>> Cheers!=3D20
>> -----------
>> Melanie=3D20
>> IMCA: 2975
>> eBay: metmel2775
>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>> =3DA0
>> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know w=
hat=3D
>> you're gonna get!=3D20
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: grf2 at comcast.net
>>> To: eric at meteoritesusa.com=3D3B meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Date: Tue=3D2C 27 Oct 2009 17:20:39 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
>>> =3D20
>>> Outstanding Eric!
>>> =3D20
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Meteorites USA"=20
>>> Sent: Monday=3D2C October 26=3D2C 2009 6:07 PM
>>> To:=20
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
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>>>> Hi Listees=3D2C Meteorite Collectors=3D2C Scientists=3D2C Meteorite Ju=
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>>>>
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>>>> The Meteorite Wiki runs on the same software that runs the world famou=
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>> =3D20
>>
>>>> and beloved Wikipedia.org website=3D2C and is robust and feature rich =
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>> gh=3D20
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>>>> meteorites.
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy...
>>>>
>>>> Regards=3D2C
>>>> Eric Wichman
>>>> Meteorites USA
>>>>
>>>> P.S. Those interested in contributing or who would like more informati=
on=3D
>>>>
>> =3D2C=3D20
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>>>> you're welcome to respond to this thread publicly on-list or privately=
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>> =3D20
>>
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Tue Oct 27 19:55:16 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:55:16 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
In-Reply-To: <BLU137-W3750A6C25B2656285C8FA0D6B90@phx.gbl>
References: <4AE61D8F.7030208@meteoritesusa.com>
	<BLU137-W575300A0C7189DD46F06AD6B90@phx.gbl>
	<BLU137-W3750A6C25B2656285C8FA0D6B90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AE78864.9080107@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Melanie, Listees,

Only time will tell... People will love it or hate it. I don't really 
think there will be an in-between.

It has the potential to become the worlds largest and #1 meteorite site 
on the internet. Do a search for anything in Google, Yahoo or Bing, and 
you'll notice that most searches show a Wikipedia.org link in the 
results no matter what you search for. What better way to generate much 
more interest in meteorites, asteroids, comets, and astronomy than to 
have a meteorite wiki?

I can't think of one, can you?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA




Melanie Matthews wrote:
>  <4AE78622.2010409 at meteoritesusa.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> MIME-Version: 1.0
>
>
> You're welcome! I think it will be a success=2C and maybe help spread more =
> interest/popularity in space rocks!=20
>
> Best regards=20
> -----------
> Melanie
> IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>
> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what=
>  you're gonna get!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>   
>> Date: Tue=2C 27 Oct 2009 16:45:38 -0700
>> From: eric at meteoritesusa.com
>> To: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com
>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
>>
>> Thanks Melanie!
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> Melanie Matthews wrote:
>>     
>>> =20
>>> Content-Type: text/plain=3B charset=3D"Windows-1252"
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>>>
>>>
>>> This is great! I'll excited about all the new content to be added..=3D20
>>> =3DA0
>>> Cheers!=3D20
>>> -----------
>>> Melanie=3D20
>>> IMCA: 2975
>>> eBay: metmel2775
>>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>>> =3DA0
>>> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know w=
>>>       
> hat=3D
>   
>>> you're gonna get!=3D20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> From: grf2 at comcast.net
>>>> To: eric at meteoritesusa.com=3D3B meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Date: Tue=3D2C 27 Oct 2009 17:20:39 -0400
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
>>>> =3D20
>>>> Outstanding Eric!
>>>> =3D20
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Meteorites USA"=20
>>>> Sent: Monday=3D2C October 26=3D2C 2009 6:07 PM
>>>> To:=20
>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
>>>> =3D20
>>>>
>>>>         



From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Tue Oct 27 20:18:03 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:18:03 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy
	-	Someone help me understand this.
In-Reply-To: <4AE78612.5000106@usgs.gov>
References: <e51421550910271632u5ff0bf32q6002f84f2fd71410@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AE78612.5000106@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <005901ca5764$1ddeb080$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Hi,

>US Antarctic meteorite locations are kept secret and no longer 
>published.

For what reason? I don't understand - to keep the Japanese and Chinese polar
programs away?

Another problem could be the modern legislation of some countries too.
I predict a worsening of the so far excellent find documentation in Oman, if
there no better solutions are found.

Best!
Martin

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff
Grossman
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2009 00:45
An: Meteorite List
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy -
Someone help me understand this.

I can address the Meteoritical Society angle on this...

It mainly began with the Labenne meteorites, Sahara xxxxx.  There were 
hundreds of these things appearing around 1997, and scientists were 
already working on them.  We had no prospect of getting the coordinates 
and faced a tough decision: approve meteorites with secret locations or 
risk losing the cooperation of dealers and collectors.  The nomenclature 
committee decided that there was really no choice but to accept the 
meteorites.  There was hope at the time that the coordinates would be 
disclosed in perhaps 5 years, but it never happened.

Meanwhile, scientists are now doing the same thing for the same reason.  
In fact, US Antarctic meteorite locations are kept secret and no longer 
published.  At least we know with those that one day the coordinates 
will be released. 

Jeff

Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> Recently I was doing some research on various meteorites for an
> article I am writing, and I noticed a few entries in the Met Bulletin
> database that give all of the details about a meteorite, but then says
> that the actual find coordinates are secret or being withheld.
>
> Ok, I understand the motivations behind keeping a location secret.
> These motives have been discussed on the List previously, as recently
> as the new fall in Arizona that Dr. Schrader found - which
> subsequently set off a flurry of espionage and intrigues to find the
> fall which Dr. Jack was keeping secret.   Granted.  I can understand
> the value of not having 200 amateurs running rough-shod over a new
> strewnfield before it is properly documented.  But, once the
> strewnfield is mapped, and the team(s) working the field have packed
> up and left with their specimens, what is the motivation for keeping
> the exact location a secret?  If the fall is known to science and
> available to science (meaning, it has been classified and samples are
> available for study), then why should the location be kept secret?  Is
> it financial reasons, so the original finders can come back on
> subsequents trips and deplete the strewnfield for their own
> inventories?  Or, is it because the location is on someone's private
> property and the owner has requested that the exact location be kept
> secret to prevent a flood of trespassers?  If the latter, then how
> does this explain the secret coordinates of the NWA desert finds -
> some of which are ordinary chondrites out in the open desert that were
> catalogued over 10 years ago.  Why are these still being withheld?
>
> It seems to me, that science (and institutions) should not recognize
> meteorites whose find/fall locations are being kept secret
> intentionally without good explanation - doing so would encourage
> profiteering and damage the availability of specimens for scientific
> study and private collectors.  If finders wanted to have their falls
> officially classified (and reap the benefits of legitimacy that comes
> from recognition and inclusion in meteorite catalogues), then they
> should have to divulge the coordinates of their finds.  Wouldn't that
> take away some of the incentive to keep these locations secret where
> the only motivation to do so is personal profit?
>
> I don't want to strike a nerve here or touch off a big debate, I just
> want someone to explain to me the reasoning behind anonymous find
> locations (not because the location is unknown, but because it is
> being withheld) being accepted into the Meteoritical Society database?
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
>   


-- 
Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Tue Oct 27 20:04:07 2009
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:04:07 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy
	-Someone help me understand this.
References: <e51421550910271632u5ff0bf32q6002f84f2fd71410@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE061E19FF464C3484B3DEDA4B046001@bellatrix>

My perspective, as someone who neither collects nor hunts meteorites, is 
that it doesn't much matter. All meteorites come from the same place: space. 
And where they actually land rarely matters from a scientific standpoint, 
beyond perhaps the general region (which seems always present in the 
database). If the nomenclature committee were to have a policy of not 
accepting meteorites with deliberately undisclosed locations, should they 
also refuse to accept specimens with unknown locations? Scientifically, 
there is no difference.

I'm all for maximizing the information available, but I wouldn't refuse to 
make "official" specimens that are missing information, whether deliberately 
withheld or not. That would be scientifically counterproductive. (I 
certainly understand why someone owning property where a meteorite is found 
would wish to keep the location vague- either a region or lat/long to a 
degree or so of precision.)

Of course, I recognize that there are rare cases where knowing the exact 
coordinates of a meteorite are essential- for instance, in the kind of work 
I do, modeling falls from orbit to fireball to the ground. But such research 
represents only a tiny fraction of the science devoted to meteorites.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and 
Legitimacy -Someone help me understand this.


> Hi List,
>
> Recently I was doing some research on various meteorites for an
> article I am writing, and I noticed a few entries in the Met Bulletin
> database that give all of the details about a meteorite, but then says
> that the actual find coordinates are secret or being withheld.
>
> Ok, I understand the motivations behind keeping a location secret.
> These motives have been discussed on the List previously, as recently
> as the new fall in Arizona that Dr. Schrader found - which
> subsequently set off a flurry of espionage and intrigues to find the
> fall which Dr. Jack was keeping secret.   Granted.  I can understand
> the value of not having 200 amateurs running rough-shod over a new
> strewnfield before it is properly documented.  But, once the
> strewnfield is mapped, and the team(s) working the field have packed
> up and left with their specimens, what is the motivation for keeping
> the exact location a secret?  If the fall is known to science and
> available to science (meaning, it has been classified and samples are
> available for study), then why should the location be kept secret?  Is
> it financial reasons, so the original finders can come back on
> subsequents trips and deplete the strewnfield for their own
> inventories?  Or, is it because the location is on someone's private
> property and the owner has requested that the exact location be kept
> secret to prevent a flood of trespassers?  If the latter, then how
> does this explain the secret coordinates of the NWA desert finds -
> some of which are ordinary chondrites out in the open desert that were
> catalogued over 10 years ago.  Why are these still being withheld?
>
> It seems to me, that science (and institutions) should not recognize
> meteorites whose find/fall locations are being kept secret
> intentionally without good explanation - doing so would encourage
> profiteering and damage the availability of specimens for scientific
> study and private collectors.  If finders wanted to have their falls
> officially classified (and reap the benefits of legitimacy that comes
> from recognition and inclusion in meteorite catalogues), then they
> should have to divulge the coordinates of their finds.  Wouldn't that
> take away some of the incentive to keep these locations secret where
> the only motivation to do so is personal profit?
>
> I don't want to strike a nerve here or touch off a big debate, I just
> want someone to explain to me the reasoning behind anonymous find
> locations (not because the location is unknown, but because it is
> being withheld) being accepted into the Meteoritical Society database?
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG



From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Tue Oct 27 20:45:46 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:45:46 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and
	Legitimacy-Someone help me understand this.
In-Reply-To: <EE061E19FF464C3484B3DEDA4B046001@bellatrix>
References: <e51421550910271632u5ff0bf32q6002f84f2fd71410@mail.gmail.com>
	<EE061E19FF464C3484B3DEDA4B046001@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <005b01ca5768$01c08550$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

>I recognize that there are rare cases where knowing the exact coordinates
>of a meteorite are essential

I would say rather the opposite - as we all know, many if not most
meteorites break up before they hit the ground.

If one doesn't have the coordinates of one or more stones of an interesting
or important stone, one doesn't know, where to look for more.
If you look e.g. into the pairing groups of the lunar and Martian meteorites
with known coordinates, like e.g. those from Libya or Oman, you'll see that
there are often several years, where additional pieces were found (also from
different people).

And with the coordinates of the fragments, you can map the strewnfield,
determine the strewn-ellipse and from there you can deduct the trajectory of
the meteorid and fragmentation events.  (but not with meteortites found on
the icefields, cause they were transported).

Like e.g. the Verdandsky did with SaU 001 
http://www.meteorites.ru/menu/publication-e/omandojd-e.pdf
or the Oman-Suisse-team is doing with other finds in Oman. 

And for those researchers interested in weathering processes of meteorites,
it is important to know the geological formation, the soil ect. of the find
site.

Best!
Martin

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Chris
Peterson
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2009 01:04
An: Meteorite List
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and
Legitimacy-Someone help me understand this.

My perspective, as someone who neither collects nor hunts meteorites, is 
that it doesn't much matter. All meteorites come from the same place: space.

And where they actually land rarely matters from a scientific standpoint, 
beyond perhaps the general region (which seems always present in the 
database). If the nomenclature committee were to have a policy of not 
accepting meteorites with deliberately undisclosed locations, should they 
also refuse to accept specimens with unknown locations? Scientifically, 
there is no difference.

I'm all for maximizing the information available, but I wouldn't refuse to 
make "official" specimens that are missing information, whether deliberately

withheld or not. That would be scientifically counterproductive. (I 
certainly understand why someone owning property where a meteorite is found 
would wish to keep the location vague- either a region or lat/long to a 
degree or so of precision.)

Of course, I recognize that there are rare cases where knowing the exact 
coordinates of a meteorite are essential- for instance, in the kind of work 
I do, modeling falls from orbit to fireball to the ground. But such research

represents only a tiny fraction of the science devoted to meteorites.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and 
Legitimacy -Someone help me understand this.


> Hi List,
>
> Recently I was doing some research on various meteorites for an
> article I am writing, and I noticed a few entries in the Met Bulletin
> database that give all of the details about a meteorite, but then says
> that the actual find coordinates are secret or being withheld.
>
> Ok, I understand the motivations behind keeping a location secret.
> These motives have been discussed on the List previously, as recently
> as the new fall in Arizona that Dr. Schrader found - which
> subsequently set off a flurry of espionage and intrigues to find the
> fall which Dr. Jack was keeping secret.   Granted.  I can understand
> the value of not having 200 amateurs running rough-shod over a new
> strewnfield before it is properly documented.  But, once the
> strewnfield is mapped, and the team(s) working the field have packed
> up and left with their specimens, what is the motivation for keeping
> the exact location a secret?  If the fall is known to science and
> available to science (meaning, it has been classified and samples are
> available for study), then why should the location be kept secret?  Is
> it financial reasons, so the original finders can come back on
> subsequents trips and deplete the strewnfield for their own
> inventories?  Or, is it because the location is on someone's private
> property and the owner has requested that the exact location be kept
> secret to prevent a flood of trespassers?  If the latter, then how
> does this explain the secret coordinates of the NWA desert finds -
> some of which are ordinary chondrites out in the open desert that were
> catalogued over 10 years ago.  Why are these still being withheld?
>
> It seems to me, that science (and institutions) should not recognize
> meteorites whose find/fall locations are being kept secret
> intentionally without good explanation - doing so would encourage
> profiteering and damage the availability of specimens for scientific
> study and private collectors.  If finders wanted to have their falls
> officially classified (and reap the benefits of legitimacy that comes
> from recognition and inclusion in meteorite catalogues), then they
> should have to divulge the coordinates of their finds.  Wouldn't that
> take away some of the incentive to keep these locations secret where
> the only motivation to do so is personal profit?
>
> I don't want to strike a nerve here or touch off a big debate, I just
> want someone to explain to me the reasoning behind anonymous find
> locations (not because the location is unknown, but because it is
> being withheld) being accepted into the Meteoritical Society database?
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG

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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Tue Oct 27 22:28:03 2009
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:28:03 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates
	andLegitimacy-Someone help me understand this.
References: <e51421550910271632u5ff0bf32q6002f84f2fd71410@mail.gmail.com><EE061E19FF464C3484B3DEDA4B046001@bellatrix>
	<005b01ca5768$01c08550$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <ED375177F17D4D16B2F4CBD70B5CF82C@bellatrix>

>If one doesn't have the coordinates of one or more
>stones of an interesting or important stone,
>one doesn't know, where to look for more.

Of course. And I recognize the importance of that to meteorite collectors, 
hunters, and dealers. But as a scientist, I mainly want a few grams 
accessible for analysis. The rest simply doesn't matter- scientifically.

>And with the coordinates of the fragments, you can
>map the strewnfield, determine the strewn-ellipse
>and from there you can deduct the trajectory of
>the meteorid and fragmentation events.

I have serious doubts that this is practical. The paper is interesting, but 
I question its conclusions. A strewn field is not very closely related to a 
meteor trajectory in most cases. This paper presents a model with no 
observational confirmation. And it utilizes a strewn field that stretches 
over kilometers. It is rare enough for coordinates to be withheld, and even 
rarer, I expect, when dozens of meteorites are recovered over large fields.

To put it more empirically, I have been reading MAPS and other journals with 
meteoritical papers for years. I've seen hundreds or thousands of articles 
comparing meteorite mineralogy, formation theory, asteroid association, etc, 
but not more than a dozen or so papers detailing the orbit, flight 
characteristics, and strewn field of meteorites- despite the fact that most 
meteorites have well described coordinates and many have well mapped strewn 
fields. I honestly don't see the very small number of undisclosed locations 
having any significant impact on the science of meteoritics at all.

Of course, I'm not arguing against disclosing locations, only that failing 
to disclose the location should not prevent a meteorite from being named and 
classified. That would be far more damaging to science.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates 
andLegitimacy-Someone help me understand this.


>I recognize that there are rare cases where knowing the exact coordinates
>of a meteorite are essential

I would say rather the opposite - as we all know, many if not most
meteorites break up before they hit the ground.

If one doesn't have the coordinates of one or more stones of an interesting
or important stone, one doesn't know, where to look for more.
If you look e.g. into the pairing groups of the lunar and Martian meteorites
with known coordinates, like e.g. those from Libya or Oman, you'll see that
there are often several years, where additional pieces were found (also from
different people).

And with the coordinates of the fragments, you can map the strewnfield,
determine the strewn-ellipse and from there you can deduct the trajectory of
the meteorid and fragmentation events.  (but not with meteortites found on
the icefields, cause they were transported).

Like e.g. the Verdandsky did with SaU 001
http://www.meteorites.ru/menu/publication-e/omandojd-e.pdf
or the Oman-Suisse-team is doing with other finds in Oman.

And for those researchers interested in weathering processes of meteorites,
it is important to know the geological formation, the soil ect. of the find
site.

Best!
Martin



From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Oct 28 00:44:15 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:44:15 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
In-Reply-To: <4AE78864.9080107@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <4AE61D8F.7030208@meteoritesusa.com>	<BLU137-W575300A0C7189DD46F06AD6B90@phx.gbl>	<BLU137-W3750A6C25B2656285C8FA0D6B90@phx.gbl>
	<4AE78864.9080107@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <4AE7CC1F.5080007@meteoritesusa.com>

Hello Listees,

Unfortunately there's been some trouble with uncool links on the 
Meteorite Wiki.

I'd like to apologize to everyone about the "bad links" on the site. 
Someone decided to be a jerk and post a bunch of not so cool links. I 
thought I had removed all the bad links from the site. Sorry guys... I 
guess it's something you have to deal with with an open community 
information site. If ANYONE sees anything questionable on the site, 
please send me the link to the page and I'll edit it accordingly. Just a 
warning to all the would be "bad link" posters, Don't even think about 
it! I will report anyone defacing the site under the Can-Spam act and 
you will answer to the law, this is NOT a threat, do NOT try me on this! 
This is my only warning to anyone who would try it. It will not be 
tolerated. Again, I apologize for any offense this may have 
inadvertently caused due to missing a few bad links in the edit.

Those of you who would like to come on board to help with the Meteorite 
Wiki I welcome you to contact me. I may have to pick out a few trusted 
moderators to help moderate the site as well.

Thanks for all your input, and enjoy the site.

The Meteorite Wiki: www.meteoritewiki.com

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
904-236-5394





From erikfwebb at msn.com  Wed Oct 28 02:27:19 2009
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:27:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall
	Coordinates	andLegitimacy-Someone help me understand this.
In-Reply-To: <ED375177F17D4D16B2F4CBD70B5CF82C@bellatrix>
References: <e51421550910271632u5ff0bf32q6002f84f2fd71410@mail.gmail.com><EE061E19FF464C3484B3DEDA4B046001@bellatrix>
	<005b01ca5768$01c08550$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <COL119-W30F624BC37C8024CDD577DA4B80@phx.gbl>


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Chris is right guys!=A0 We should only care about what effects us personall=
y inside our little bubble.=A0 I should use that reasoning in my life!=A0 W=
hen I find a new meteorite I won't bother to get it classified because I wi=
ll have my "sample" to show my friends. Tough love for those guys who would=
 love to see the new classification or find some themselves.=A0 I don't get=
 to hide behind "It's for the good of science!" like Farmer and used on new=
 AZ fall or Chris has with "coords shouldn't prevent classifications."=20

It's extremely nice to get my "fix" by finding meteorites in existing field=
s between hunting for cold finds.
Also=2C=A0 if it wasn't for the coordinates of the Franconia and Gold Basin=
 strewn fields here in Arizona then they wouldn't have been hit so hard wit=
h metal detectors. If they hadn't been hit so hard with detectors=2C many s=
eparate falls would not have been discovered.=A0 For example: King Tut=2C P=
alo Verde Mine=2C Buck Mountain 001 through 003=2C Sacramento Wash 001 thro=
ugh 005.=A0 Sacramento Wash=2C being chondritic iron=2C would never have be=
en pushed to classification and you wouldn't have your "sample" to work on.=
=A0 I do not even want to get started on pairing pieces to falls....

'Comrades!' he cried. 'You do not imagine=2C I hope=2C that we pigs are
doing this in a spirit of selfishness and privilege? Many of us
actually dislike milk and apples. I dislike them myself. Our sole object in=
 taking these things is to preserve our health.  Milk and apples (this has =
been proved by Science=2C comrades) contain substances absolutely necessary=
 to the well-being of a pig.  We pigs are brainworkers.  The whole manageme=
nt and organisation of this farm depend on us.  Day and night we are watchi=
ng over your welfare.  It is for your sake that we drink the milk and eat t=
hose apples.
Do you know what would happen if we pigs failed in our duty? Jones
would come back! Yes=2C Jones would come back! Surely=2C comrades=2C' cried
Squealer almost pleadingly=2C skipping from side to side and whisking his
tail=2C 'surely there is no one among you who wants to see Jones come
back?'

Who among you wants to see the media circus come back?!!
[Erik]

> From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tue=2C 27 Oct 2009 20:28:03 -0600
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates	andLegitimacy-=
Someone help me understand this.
>=20
>>If one doesn't have the coordinates of one or more
>>stones of an interesting or important stone=2C
>>one doesn't know=2C where to look for more.
>=20
> Of course. And I recognize the importance of that to meteorite collectors=
=2C=20
> hunters=2C and dealers. But as a scientist=2C I mainly want a few grams=20
> accessible for analysis. The rest simply doesn't matter- scientifically.
>=20
>>And with the coordinates of the fragments=2C you can
>>map the strewnfield=2C determine the strewn-ellipse
>>and from there you can deduct the trajectory of
>>the meteorid and fragmentation events.
>=20
> I have serious doubts that this is practical. The paper is interesting=2C=
 but=20
> I question its conclusions. A strewn field is not very closely related to=
 a=20
> meteor trajectory in most cases. This paper presents a model with no=20
> observational confirmation. And it utilizes a strewn field that stretches=
=20
> over kilometers. It is rare enough for coordinates to be withheld=2C and =
even=20
> rarer=2C I expect=2C when dozens of meteorites are recovered over large f=
ields.
>=20
> To put it more empirically=2C I have been reading MAPS and other journals=
 with=20
> meteoritical papers for years. I've seen hundreds or thousands of article=
s=20
> comparing meteorite mineralogy=2C formation theory=2C asteroid associatio=
n=2C etc=2C=20
> but not more than a dozen or so papers detailing the orbit=2C flight=20
> characteristics=2C and strewn field of meteorites- despite the fact that =
most=20
> meteorites have well described coordinates and many have well mapped stre=
wn=20
> fields. I honestly don't see the very small number of undisclosed locatio=
ns=20
> having any significant impact on the science of meteoritics at all.
>=20
> Of course=2C I'm not arguing against disclosing locations=2C only that fa=
iling=20
> to disclose the location should not prevent a meteorite from being named =
and=20
> classified. That would be far more damaging to science.
>=20
> Chris
>=20
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>=20
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday=2C October 27=2C 2009 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates=20
> andLegitimacy-Someone help me understand this.
>=20
>=20
>>I recognize that there are rare cases where knowing the exact coordinates
>>of a meteorite are essential
>=20
> I would say rather the opposite - as we all know=2C many if not most
> meteorites break up before they hit the ground.
>=20
> If one doesn't have the coordinates of one or more stones of an interesti=
ng
> or important stone=2C one doesn't know=2C where to look for more.
> If you look e.g. into the pairing groups of the lunar and Martian meteori=
tes
> with known coordinates=2C like e.g. those from Libya or Oman=2C you'll se=
e that
> there are often several years=2C where additional pieces were found (also=
 from
> different people).
>=20
> And with the coordinates of the fragments=2C you can map the strewnfield=
=2C
> determine the strewn-ellipse and from there you can deduct the trajectory=
 of
> the meteorid and fragmentation events.  (but not with meteortites found o=
n
> the icefields=2C cause they were transported).
>=20
> Like e.g. the Verdandsky did with SaU 001
> http://www.meteorites.ru/menu/publication-e/omandojd-e.pdf
> or the Oman-Suisse-team is doing with other finds in Oman.
>=20
> And for those researchers interested in weathering processes of meteorite=
s=2C
> it is important to know the geological formation=2C the soil ect. of the =
find
> site.
>=20
> Best!
> Martin
>=20
> ______________________________________________
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 		 	   		  =


From beda.hofmann at geo.unibe.ch  Wed Oct 28 03:11:37 2009
From: beda.hofmann at geo.unibe.ch (Beda Hofmann)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:11:37 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy -
	Someone help me understand this.
In-Reply-To: <e51421550910271632u5ff0bf32q6002f84f2fd71410@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e51421550910271632u5ff0bf32q6002f84f2fd71410@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FB9F893-768C-488F-B903-D6486675288C@geo.unibe.ch>

Hi list

The NWA case clearly shows why coordinates are important. Many paired  
NWA's are classified by different researchers (not always arriving at  
the same verdict). This makes the situation confusing and, above all,  
it is a waste of effort. With coordinates, it would be easy to find  
out which stones belong together, and which are not.

I agree that for a scientific study of an interesting special  
meteorite, it does not matter much where it was found. But if more of  
the same stuff turns up, you want to know if it was found together  
with your special sample, or whether it is a different fall.

Best regards

Beda 


From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk  Wed Oct 28 05:37:42 2009
From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:37:42 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Munich Friday-Evening Fliegerbraeu
Message-ID: <D7171847AEFC6A4893D80C75E547E2711004C5@nmsmail02.nms2k.int>

Martin and others 

I will try and get to the dinner. See you there

Mit besten W?nschen aus Schottland

Peter Davidson
Curator of Minerals
 
National Museums Collection Centre
National Museums Scotland
242 West Granton Road
Edinburgh
EH5 1JA
Phone: +44 131 247 4283
p.davidson at nms.ac.uk
www.nms.ac.uk
 
 
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 27 October 2009 19:15
To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Munich Friday-Evening Fliegerbraeu

...takes place, as every year.

Friday,  8 p.m. after the show,
in the Fleagerbroy in the nearby village Feldkirchen.

Fliegerbr?u
Sonnenstrasse 2
85622 Feldkirchen-Riem

http://www.fliegerbraeu.de


If you have any questions, just stop over at our table,
Hall A5  booth A5.252,

where you can also inspect our newest planetary sensation!



See you soon!

Martin & Stefan


Martin Altmann & Stefan Ralew
Chladni's Heirs
Munich - Berlin
Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors 
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Oct 28 05:50:47 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:50:47 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights, Updates,
	100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am
References: <2FD31F34-336E-4A9D-B752-881073B92D07@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <D8B32B3D-A648-483E-8B42-B956053D8898@gilanet.com>



Hello,

A quick report.... A beautiful, healthy, and big baby girl was born at  
12:45 am today!  Everyone is doing fine and I must say dad is exhausted!




>
>
> Please join my private sales list. This is an important connection  
> to have if you want to continue receiving updates and great sales  
> offers from me.
>
> Just click on blank email and send. This should automatically get  
> you hooked up. If it does not work for you, send me your email and I  
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>
>
> THE PORTAL ENTRANCE TO MY STORE:
> http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history
>
>
> ALL AUCTIONS THIS WEEK:
>
> http://shop.ebay.com:80/meteorite-collector/m.html?LH_Auction=1&_trksid=p3911.c0.m301
>
> Remember there are 2 pages of auctions this week and many of the  
> best ones are on the second page, so do not forget to look on page 2 !
>
>
>
> Some Highlights:
>
> (Ash Creek) The WEST, Texas Fall, L6, 13.77g - OUTSTANDING SLICE!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342517349
>
> (New) CV3, NWA 5546, Africa, MAIN MASS, 248 g   ... WOW a Real Cool  
> Main Mass!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342400836
>
> A Beautiful Slice of SEYMCHAN, Pal, 182 gram - This is THE LAST of  
> my High Grade slices left. Close to a 2k specimen and currently a  
> fantastic deal for someone. Even at twice the current bid it is a  
> deal!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220497190785
>
> Possible Fall VIEDMA, Argentina, L5, 2.40 g, Not much of this one  
> around. A great bargin!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496683525
>
> Witnessed Fall THUATHE, Lesotho, 49.99 g, A very cool end cut!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496633421
>
> -Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes, 67g - Rare and it speaks  
> for itself!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496277850
>
> (NEW) NWA 4851, L6, Rare Individual 73.47g _ THERE ARE NOT many  
> individuals from this one and this one is a beauty!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200395646153
>
> New Fall- TAMDAKHT, H5, 72g, Individual *  Please Look at This One...
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200395369107
>
> Very Rare Fall-ZHOVTNEVYI, Ukraine, H5, 1.39g - Another rare fall !
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342624035
>
> (NEW) Ungrouped Ataxite, GRIFFITH, TX, 45.25g - LAST Large slice left!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342392734
>
> Rare Low Total Known Weight-ALDAMA (b), 2.22g
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342393612
>
> Outstanding Silicated-Campo Del Cielo -25.75g - Real Nice!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342393789
>
> Really Nice LUNAR/MARTIAN Set, 4 Different - A pretty Cool Set !
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342394264
>
> (NEW) NWA 5530, H5, Huge Slice-612 gram - BIG BIG BIG !
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342611137
>
> Chondrule Rich- NWA 5421, LL3.7, 6.47 gram - SUPER NICE!
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342619891
>
> SAYH AL UHAYMIR 001, L4/5, Oman, 35.22 gram
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496489008
>
> Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 3.64g
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496621784
>
> Beautiful (New), -NWA 5526, L3, 40.46 gram
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496483456
>
> Extremely Rare-WABAR, Saudi Arabia, 1.66 g
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496634617
>
> Superb CAMEL DONGA, Eucrite, Oriented, 21g
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220497261117
>
>
>
> IF YOU LIKE ARROWHEADS CHECK OUT THIS LOT OF 400+
> Neolithic Points/Blade/Arrowhead- (400) w/3 Books #5
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342397280
>
>
>
> and of course MANY other great auctions ....
>
>
>
> Thanks for Your Support and Best Wishes
>
> Michael Cottingham
>
>
>
>
>
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From schroer at bigpond.com  Wed Oct 28 06:14:26 2009
From: schroer at bigpond.com (W&S Schroer)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:44:26 +1030
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights,
	Updates, 100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am
References: <2FD31F34-336E-4A9D-B752-881073B92D07@gilanet.com>
	<D8B32B3D-A648-483E-8B42-B956053D8898@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <1B9EEB089DCB4C73B8C2AF530406CFA3@WERNER>


> Hello,
>
> A quick report.... A beautiful, healthy, and big baby girl was born at 
> 12:45 am today!  Everyone is doing fine and I must say dad is exhausted!

So are we, Michael.;) Congratulations and all the best to your wife and the 
baby and keep up the good work!!
Werner Schroer 



From majbaermann at web.de  Wed Oct 28 06:26:47 2009
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:26:47 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights,
	Updates, 100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am
References: <2FD31F34-336E-4A9D-B752-881073B92D07@gilanet.com>
	<D8B32B3D-A648-483E-8B42-B956053D8898@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <0DC2DB4160E24A5EA9F7FF4AECBBAEE1@thinkcentre>

Congratulations! All the best for you and your family!

Kind regards,

Matthias

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael cottingham" <mikewren at gilanet.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:50 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights, 
Updates,100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am


>
>
> Hello,
>
> A quick report.... A beautiful, healthy, and big baby girl was born at 
> 12:45 am today!  Everyone is doing fine and I must say dad is exhausted!
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Please join my private sales list. This is an important connection  to 
>> have if you want to continue receiving updates and great sales  offers 
>> from me.
>>
>> Just click on blank email and send. This should automatically get  you 
>> hooked up. If it does not work for you, send me your email and I  will 
>> send you an invitation to join.
>>
>> Click and send This email to join:
>>
>> meteoritecollector-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>> (Huge Sales In My Ebay Store Start Today (sunday) so check  throughout 
>> the day as they start.)
>>
>>
>> THE PORTAL ENTRANCE TO MY STORE:
>> http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history
>>
>>
>> ALL AUCTIONS THIS WEEK:
>>
>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/meteorite-collector/m.html?LH_Auction=1&_trksid=p3911.c0.m301
>>
>> Remember there are 2 pages of auctions this week and many of the  best 
>> ones are on the second page, so do not forget to look on page 2 !
>>
>>
>>
>> Some Highlights:
>>
>> (Ash Creek) The WEST, Texas Fall, L6, 13.77g - OUTSTANDING SLICE!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342517349
>>
>> (New) CV3, NWA 5546, Africa, MAIN MASS, 248 g   ... WOW a Real Cool  Main 
>> Mass!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342400836
>>
>> A Beautiful Slice of SEYMCHAN, Pal, 182 gram - This is THE LAST of  my 
>> High Grade slices left. Close to a 2k specimen and currently a  fantastic 
>> deal for someone. Even at twice the current bid it is a  deal!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220497190785
>>
>> Possible Fall VIEDMA, Argentina, L5, 2.40 g, Not much of this one 
>> around. A great bargin!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496683525
>>
>> Witnessed Fall THUATHE, Lesotho, 49.99 g, A very cool end cut!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496633421
>>
>> -Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes, 67g - Rare and it speaks  for 
>> itself!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496277850
>>
>> (NEW) NWA 4851, L6, Rare Individual 73.47g _ THERE ARE NOT many 
>> individuals from this one and this one is a beauty!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200395646153
>>
>> New Fall- TAMDAKHT, H5, 72g, Individual *  Please Look at This One...
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200395369107
>>
>> Very Rare Fall-ZHOVTNEVYI, Ukraine, H5, 1.39g - Another rare fall !
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342624035
>>
>> (NEW) Ungrouped Ataxite, GRIFFITH, TX, 45.25g - LAST Large slice left!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342392734
>>
>> Rare Low Total Known Weight-ALDAMA (b), 2.22g
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342393612
>>
>> Outstanding Silicated-Campo Del Cielo -25.75g - Real Nice!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342393789
>>
>> Really Nice LUNAR/MARTIAN Set, 4 Different - A pretty Cool Set !
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342394264
>>
>> (NEW) NWA 5530, H5, Huge Slice-612 gram - BIG BIG BIG !
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342611137
>>
>> Chondrule Rich- NWA 5421, LL3.7, 6.47 gram - SUPER NICE!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342619891
>>
>> SAYH AL UHAYMIR 001, L4/5, Oman, 35.22 gram
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496489008
>>
>> Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 3.64g
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496621784
>>
>> Beautiful (New), -NWA 5526, L3, 40.46 gram
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496483456
>>
>> Extremely Rare-WABAR, Saudi Arabia, 1.66 g
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496634617
>>
>> Superb CAMEL DONGA, Eucrite, Oriented, 21g
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220497261117
>>
>>
>>
>> IF YOU LIKE ARROWHEADS CHECK OUT THIS LOT OF 400+
>> Neolithic Points/Blade/Arrowhead- (400) w/3 Books #5
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342397280
>>
>>
>>
>> and of course MANY other great auctions ....
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for Your Support and Best Wishes
>>
>> Michael Cottingham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From bristolia at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 28 07:29:05 2009
From: bristolia at yahoo.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:29:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Odessa Impact Crater and OSL Dating
Message-ID: <208635.16904.qm@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

        E.P. Grondine wrote:
 
?When
I visited Odessa I was told that it was suspected 
to be the impact of a fragment related to the Barringer 
impactor. My suspicion is that the Barringer impact is 
seen in the spike of C14 in the INTCAL98 chart around 
45,000 BCE. So what is OSL dating anyway, and how
accurate 
is it??
 
The details of the dating of the Odessa crater is
discussed in:
 
Holliday, V. T., D. A. Kring, J. H. Mayer, and R. J.
Goble, 
2005, Age and effects of the Odessa meteorite impact,
western 
Texas, USA. Geology. vol. 33, no. 12, pp. 945-947.
 
Its abstract reads:
 
?Dating by optically stimulated luminescence indicates 
that it was produced immediately prior to ca. 63.5+/-
4.5 ka. Sediment filling the crater includes impact 
breccias produced at the time of impact; wind-dominated 
silts with minor amounts of pond sediments deposited ca. 
63.5 ka, probably just after the impact...?
 
The PDf file can be found at:
 
http://www.argonaut.arizona.edu/articles/holliday_etal2005.pdf
 
http://www.argonaut.arizona.edu/holliday.htm
 
Optically stimulated luminescence (OSL) dating can be
quite 
accurate as cross-dating between contemporaneous OSL and 
radiocarbon samples has demonstrated. As with any other
dating
methods a person has to be careful in only dating
materials 
that can be reliably dated; in how they collect the
samples; 
and how they transport the samples to the OSL lab.
Single-grain 
OSL dating of sediments is the most reliable way of OSL
dating
sediments.
 
Web pages about OSL dating are ?Luminescence Dating - 

Introduction and Overview of the the Technique? at:
 
http://crustal.usgs.gov/laboratories/luminescence_dating/technique.html

and "Optically Stimulated Luminescence (OSL)" at:

 
http://www.uic.edu/labs/ldrl/about.html
http://www.uic.edu/labs/ldrl/osl.html
 
A few of many, many papers and articles on OSL dating are:
 
1. Murray, A. M., J. M. Olley, 2002, Precision and
accuracy in 
the optically stimulated luminescence dating of
sedimentary 
quartz. Geochronometria. vol. 21, pp 1-16.
 
http://www.carbon14.pl/geo/pdf/Geo21.pdf.
 2. Ballarini, M., 2006, Optical Dating of Quartz from 
Young Deposits From Single-Aliquot to Single-Grain. Delft 
University Press, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
 
http://repository.tudelft.nl/file/224774/190288
 
3. optically stimulated luminescence dating? an
introduction
 
http://geoinfo.nmt.edu/publications/periodicals/nmg/29/n4/1%20OSLintro.pdf
 
Yours,
 
Paul H.


      


From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Wed Oct 28 07:42:27 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:42:27 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall
	CoordinatesandLegitimacy-Someone help me understand this.
In-Reply-To: <ED375177F17D4D16B2F4CBD70B5CF82C@bellatrix>
References: <e51421550910271632u5ff0bf32q6002f84f2fd71410@mail.gmail.com><EE061E19FF464C3484B3DEDA4B046001@bellatrix><005b01ca5768$01c08550$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
	<ED375177F17D4D16B2F4CBD70B5CF82C@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <001001ca57c3$b9e4cfa0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Hmm, Chris,

the most prominent/historical work to mention would be that one about
Sikhote-Alin...  
And at least with observed falls, it was already standard in 19th century,
to map strewnfields and -ellipses.

>to meteorite collectors, hunters, and dealers. But as a scientist, I mainly
>want a few grams accessible for analysis.

See! And that's exactly why we need coordinates, to find as much material as
possible - that you and other scientists will get a sample at all, 
seen from a very practical point of view.

Take the lunars e.g. - on the lunar meteorites are working dozens of labs,
hundreds of scientists and students.
Coordinates create higher tkws.
Imagine, what if a university would have to pay 200,000$ a gram like in the
90ies or 25,000$ like still 8-9 years ago for a lunar.
Most couldn't afford that, most couldn't work on the stuff.

Very practical we see it with our work, several of our recoveries from NWA
were so low in tkw, but so important and unique, that so many institutes
wanted to work on them, that we couldn't satisfy all requests, because there
was much to less material.
(Just right now we have to contact the institutes again firstly
with a new find, cause if we would introduce it to the collectors,
there wouldn't be enough material left for research).

How much easier would it be, if the coordinates and the find location would
be known, so that more and intensive searchs could be carried out, to
generate more material.

O.k. with NWA and the desert finds in general, we have the problem, that the
new policy of countries like Algeria or Oman prevents such a process, and
old classic meteorite countries like Australia almost invite finders to
obscure the find locations,
due to unhandy laws. (Australia after a promising development of the find
numbers - while in free coutries like USA the number of finds exploded -
felt back to the period of 1860 - 1950.)
And the developments in MetSoc make me not directly confident, that in
future such a situation or the same mistakes could be prevented in other
desert countries.

Or sume very simple examples, for the collectors to understand.
Take Muonionalusta - at my times, there were only the three modest specimens
known, locked away in institutes - and the collector and the scientist had
to pay around 20$ a gram, if he wanted to get it. 
Imagine the place of find wouldn't have been known!
Nowadays due to the recent new finds of several tonnes, a Muonionalusta
costs only 100-150$ a kilogram.

Brahin, very popular today as the cheapest pallasite in history - in the
80ies, 90ies, it was very difficult to get 
and it was priced like an Esquel. Only due to the new hunts we are there,
where we are now, where you can have that stuff at 1$ or less for larger
specimens or cuts.


Brenham - if the Real Arnold and the Real Notkin wouldn't have known, where
to look...
Nowadays because of their great work, you and science are paying for Brenham
less than in the years after the finds of the first masses and less than a
Nininger had asked.


Seymchan - always unavailable - and without the new finds of the Russian
heroes, we even wouldn't know, that a Seymchan is a pallasite!

Kainsaz, Chinga, and so on, the list is long...   

And so on.

Without coordinates, that all wouldn't have been possible and wouldn't have
happened.


>I honestly don't see the very small number of undisclosed locations 
>having any significant impact on the science of meteoritics at all.

The number is HUGE !
The find locations of most NWAs are unknown.

And the field of NWA is by far the most productive meteorite region of all,
well in front of Antarctica - yayaya 35 -40,000 Antartic "meteorites" but
these are field numbers, not different meteorites, divide them by 5 (cause
that is given as average pairing rate).
With NWA alone, aside other Sahara finds, we're know already at number 6000
in less than 10 years (Antarctica 33 years).
And if you check the Bulletin database, the rare types, the NWAs do have
much higher tkws than the Antarctic finds..
......and the NWA, what you see in the Bulletins, is the tip of the iceberg,
cause predominantly and disproportionally the rare and rarest types are
brought to classification - cause the main load, the weathered ordinary
chondrites (wich you have with the Antarctics) still have to come, cause
there aren't enough capacities to classify them at present (and because the
market prices are still insufficient).
And it was the desert finds, which caused the enormous boost of meteoritical
science and science, that we observed these years.

NWA is the largest space program of our times.

(wow, I need a copyright for that sentence).

And that at a small fraction of the price of the smallest and cheapest space
probe.

And I really hope, that this will finally be cognized by the Meteoritical
Society and that MetSoc will do everything, which is in their power,
that NWA can be continued.
Cause at the moment we're facing the beginning complete breakdown of the
NWA-sector,
caused by inappropriate national laws of some desert countries.

Well. Off to Munich show now!
Martin 




-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Chris
Peterson
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2009 03:28
An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall
CoordinatesandLegitimacy-Someone help me understand this.

>If one doesn't have the coordinates of one or more
>stones of an interesting or important stone,
>one doesn't know, where to look for more.

Of course. And I recognize the importance of that to meteorite collectors, 
hunters, and dealers. c The rest simply doesn't scientifically.matter- 

>And with the coordinates of the fragments, you can
>map the strewnfield, determine the strewn-ellipse
>and from there you can deduct the trajectory of
>the meteorid and fragmentation events.

I have serious doubts that this is practical. The paper is interesting, but 
I question its conclusions. A strewn field is not very closely related to a 
meteor trajectory in most cases. This paper presents a model with no 
observational confirmation. And it utilizes a strewn field that stretches 
over kilometers. It is rare enough for coordinates to be withheld, and even 
rarer, I expect, when dozens of meteorites are recovered over large fields.

To put it more empirically, I have been reading MAPS and other journals with

meteoritical papers for years. I've seen hundreds or thousands of articles 
comparing meteorite mineralogy, formation theory, asteroid association, etc,

but not more than a dozen or so papers detailing the orbit, flight 
characteristics, and strewn field of meteorites- despite the fact that most 
meteorites have well described coordinates and many have well mapped strewn 
fields. I honestly don't see the very small number of undisclosed locations 
having any significant impact on the science of meteoritics at all.

Of course, I'm not arguing against disclosing locations, only that failing 
to disclose the location should not prevent a meteorite from being named and

classified. That would be far more damaging to science.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates 
andLegitimacy-Someone help me understand this.


>I recognize that there are rare cases where knowing the exact coordinates
>of a meteorite are essential

I would say rather the opposite - as we all know, many if not most
meteorites break up before they hit the ground.

If one doesn't have the coordinates of one or more stones of an interesting
or important stone, one doesn't know, where to look for more.
If you look e.g. into the pairing groups of the lunar and Martian meteorites
with known coordinates, like e.g. those from Libya or Oman, you'll see that
there are often several years, where additional pieces were found (also from
different people).

And with the coordinates of the fragments, you can map the strewnfield,
determine the strewn-ellipse and from there you can deduct the trajectory of
the meteorid and fragmentation events.  (but not with meteortites found on
the icefields, cause they were transported).

Like e.g. the Verdandsky did with SaU 001
http://www.meteorites.ru/menu/publication-e/omandojd-e.pdf
or the Oman-Suisse-team is doing with other finds in Oman.

And for those researchers interested in weathering processes of meteorites,
it is important to know the geological formation, the soil ect. of the find
site.

Best!
Martin

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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 28 11:30:02 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:30:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Odessa
Message-ID: <649393.19751.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Paul - 

If neutrons were released in the Odessa impact, then the OSL dates for it may be too old.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas




      


From axelsson at acc.umu.se  Wed Oct 28 11:57:41 2009
From: axelsson at acc.umu.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Axelsson?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:57:41 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Odessa
In-Reply-To: <649393.19751.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <649393.19751.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AE869F5.9030804@acc.umu.se>

Why should there be any neutrons released at all?
I know of no evidence that an impact would generate neutrons.

/G?ran

E.P. Grondine wrote:
> Hi Paul - 
>
> If neutrons were released in the Odessa impact, then the OSL dates for it may be too old.
>
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
>
>   


From fujmon at mac.com  Wed Oct 28 12:02:54 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:02:54 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights,
 Updates, 100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am
In-Reply-To: <D8B32B3D-A648-483E-8B42-B956053D8898@gilanet.com>
References: <2FD31F34-336E-4A9D-B752-881073B92D07@gilanet.com>
	<D8B32B3D-A648-483E-8B42-B956053D8898@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <5A00B841-0D72-46A0-9A15-71C0F8FC0C9A@mac.com>

Aloha Michael, ke Ho?omaika?i - congratulations on the birth of your  
daughter, and all the best to you and your wife on this momentous  
occasion.

gary

On Oct 27, 2009, at 11:50 PM, michael cottingham wrote:

>
>
> Hello,
>
> A quick report.... A beautiful, healthy, and big baby girl was born  
> at 12:45 am today!  Everyone is doing fine and I must say dad is  
> exhausted!
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Please join my private sales list. This is an important connection  
>> to have if you want to continue receiving updates and great sales  
>> offers from me.
>>
>> Just click on blank email and send. This should automatically get  
>> you hooked up. If it does not work for you, send me your email and  
>> I will send you an invitation to join.
>>
>> Click and send This email to join:
>>
>> meteoritecollector-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>> (Huge Sales In My Ebay Store Start Today (sunday) so check  
>> throughout the day as they start.)
>>
>>
>> THE PORTAL ENTRANCE TO MY STORE:
>> http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history
>>
>>
>> ALL AUCTIONS THIS WEEK:
>>
>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/meteorite-collector/m.html?LH_Auction=1&_trksid=p3911.c0.m301
>>
>> Remember there are 2 pages of auctions this week and many of the  
>> best ones are on the second page, so do not forget to look on page  
>> 2 !
>>
>>
>>
>> Some Highlights:
>>
>> (Ash Creek) The WEST, Texas Fall, L6, 13.77g - OUTSTANDING SLICE!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342517349
>>
>> (New) CV3, NWA 5546, Africa, MAIN MASS, 248 g   ... WOW a Real Cool  
>> Main Mass!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342400836
>>
>> A Beautiful Slice of SEYMCHAN, Pal, 182 gram - This is THE LAST of  
>> my High Grade slices left. Close to a 2k specimen and currently a  
>> fantastic deal for someone. Even at twice the current bid it is a  
>> deal!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220497190785
>>
>> Possible Fall VIEDMA, Argentina, L5, 2.40 g, Not much of this one  
>> around. A great bargin!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496683525
>>
>> Witnessed Fall THUATHE, Lesotho, 49.99 g, A very cool end cut!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496633421
>>
>> -Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes, 67g - Rare and it speaks  
>> for itself!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496277850
>>
>> (NEW) NWA 4851, L6, Rare Individual 73.47g _ THERE ARE NOT many  
>> individuals from this one and this one is a beauty!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200395646153
>>
>> New Fall- TAMDAKHT, H5, 72g, Individual *  Please Look at This One...
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200395369107
>>
>> Very Rare Fall-ZHOVTNEVYI, Ukraine, H5, 1.39g - Another rare fall !
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342624035
>>
>> (NEW) Ungrouped Ataxite, GRIFFITH, TX, 45.25g - LAST Large slice  
>> left!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342392734
>>
>> Rare Low Total Known Weight-ALDAMA (b), 2.22g
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342393612
>>
>> Outstanding Silicated-Campo Del Cielo -25.75g - Real Nice!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342393789
>>
>> Really Nice LUNAR/MARTIAN Set, 4 Different - A pretty Cool Set !
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342394264
>>
>> (NEW) NWA 5530, H5, Huge Slice-612 gram - BIG BIG BIG !
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342611137
>>
>> Chondrule Rich- NWA 5421, LL3.7, 6.47 gram - SUPER NICE!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342619891
>>
>> SAYH AL UHAYMIR 001, L4/5, Oman, 35.22 gram
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496489008
>>
>> Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 3.64g
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496621784
>>
>> Beautiful (New), -NWA 5526, L3, 40.46 gram
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496483456
>>
>> Extremely Rare-WABAR, Saudi Arabia, 1.66 g
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496634617
>>
>> Superb CAMEL DONGA, Eucrite, Oriented, 21g
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220497261117
>>
>>
>>
>> IF YOU LIKE ARROWHEADS CHECK OUT THIS LOT OF 400+
>> Neolithic Points/Blade/Arrowhead- (400) w/3 Books #5
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342397280
>>
>>
>>
>> and of course MANY other great auctions ....
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for Your Support and Best Wishes
>>
>> Michael Cottingham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From dalekeel at verizon.net  Wed Oct 28 12:17:59 2009
From: dalekeel at verizon.net (Dale Keel)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:17:59 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Weaubleau-Osceola Structure
Message-ID: <006f01ca57ea$37b987b0$0302a8c0@dale>

I am new to the list.

I am looking for interesting photos of the Weaubleau-Osceola Structure area.
Mainly pictures that might indicate that the structure was indeed an impact
crater.  I would be really grateful for photos of Rocks - Road cuts etc with
explanations of what's in the pictures. I visited relatives in the area and
we went on a road trip around route 13 and 82 and saw some amazing road cuts
but I really did not know what I was actually looking at besides some
"unusual rock formations".

My relatives showed me some "round rocks" that they said was caused by the
impact. What is inside them"? Are they solid? They are kind of light for
rocks of their size?

I looked on the internet for "Weaubleau-Osceola meteor" and found alot of
words that I could not understand. What does brecciated rocks look like? How
about shocked Quartz? And folded?

Thanks for any information.

I am an new rock hounder of 2 years and belong to a club in Rancho Palos
Verdes. I volunteered to do a show and tell with the round rocks I have and
would like to be able to give more information and show some photos and be
able to tell members what they are looking at.

Dale



From daistiho at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 28 12:57:31 2009
From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:57:31 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights,
 Updates, 100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am
In-Reply-To: <D8B32B3D-A648-483E-8B42-B956053D8898@gilanet.com>
References: <2FD31F34-336E-4A9D-B752-881073B92D07@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W17C3F0F6A4EC794A14E715CAB80@phx.gbl>


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From tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com  Wed Oct 28 13:06:53 2009
From: tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com (Tom Randall (KB2SMS))
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:06:53 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights,
	Updates, 100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am
Message-ID: <E5D3B5D1-AA28-4000-8D5D-EC07D1F63626@hvc.rr.com>


Mike CONGRATS to you and your wife!!!

All my best!

Tom




From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 28 14:04:08 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:04:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Odessa
Message-ID: <306419.43827.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Goran - 

Take a look at the INTCAL98 14C calibration chart. Major spikes appear to map to impacts.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Oct 28 14:14:25 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:14:25 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights,
 Updates, 100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am
In-Reply-To: <D8B32B3D-A648-483E-8B42-B956053D8898@gilanet.com>
References: <2FD31F34-336E-4A9D-B752-881073B92D07@gilanet.com>
	<D8B32B3D-A648-483E-8B42-B956053D8898@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <4AE88A01.9040502@meteoritesusa.com>

A BIG! Congratulations Michael!

Regards,
Eric



michael cottingham wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> A quick report.... A beautiful, healthy, and big baby girl was born at 
> 12:45 am today!  Everyone is doing fine and I must say dad is exhausted!
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Please join my private sales list. This is an important connection to 
>> have if you want to continue receiving updates and great sales offers 
>> from me.
>>
>> Just click on blank email and send. This should automatically get you 
>> hooked up. If it does not work for you, send me your email and I will 
>> send you an invitation to join.
>>
>> Click and send This email to join:
>>
>> meteoritecollector-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>>
>>
>> (Huge Sales In My Ebay Store Start Today (sunday) so check throughout 
>> the day as they start.)
>>
>>
>> THE PORTAL ENTRANCE TO MY STORE:
>> http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history
>>
>>
>> ALL AUCTIONS THIS WEEK:
>>
>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/meteorite-collector/m.html?LH_Auction=1&_trksid=p3911.c0.m301 
>>
>>
>> Remember there are 2 pages of auctions this week and many of the best 
>> ones are on the second page, so do not forget to look on page 2 !
>>
>>
>>
>> Some Highlights:
>>
>> (Ash Creek) The WEST, Texas Fall, L6, 13.77g - OUTSTANDING SLICE!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342517349
>>
>> (New) CV3, NWA 5546, Africa, MAIN MASS, 248 g   ... WOW a Real Cool 
>> Main Mass!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342400836
>>
>> A Beautiful Slice of SEYMCHAN, Pal, 182 gram - This is THE LAST of my 
>> High Grade slices left. Close to a 2k specimen and currently a 
>> fantastic deal for someone. Even at twice the current bid it is a deal!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220497190785
>>
>> Possible Fall VIEDMA, Argentina, L5, 2.40 g, Not much of this one 
>> around. A great bargin!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496683525
>>
>> Witnessed Fall THUATHE, Lesotho, 49.99 g, A very cool end cut!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496633421
>>
>> -Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes, 67g - Rare and it speaks 
>> for itself!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496277850
>>
>> (NEW) NWA 4851, L6, Rare Individual 73.47g _ THERE ARE NOT many 
>> individuals from this one and this one is a beauty!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200395646153
>>
>> New Fall- TAMDAKHT, H5, 72g, Individual *  Please Look at This One...
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200395369107
>>
>> Very Rare Fall-ZHOVTNEVYI, Ukraine, H5, 1.39g - Another rare fall !
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342624035
>>
>> (NEW) Ungrouped Ataxite, GRIFFITH, TX, 45.25g - LAST Large slice left!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342392734
>>
>> Rare Low Total Known Weight-ALDAMA (b), 2.22g
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342393612
>>
>> Outstanding Silicated-Campo Del Cielo -25.75g - Real Nice!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342393789
>>
>> Really Nice LUNAR/MARTIAN Set, 4 Different - A pretty Cool Set !
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342394264
>>
>> (NEW) NWA 5530, H5, Huge Slice-612 gram - BIG BIG BIG !
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342611137
>>
>> Chondrule Rich- NWA 5421, LL3.7, 6.47 gram - SUPER NICE!
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342619891
>>
>> SAYH AL UHAYMIR 001, L4/5, Oman, 35.22 gram
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496489008
>>
>> Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 3.64g
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496621784
>>
>> Beautiful (New), -NWA 5526, L3, 40.46 gram
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496483456
>>
>> Extremely Rare-WABAR, Saudi Arabia, 1.66 g
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496634617
>>
>> Superb CAMEL DONGA, Eucrite, Oriented, 21g
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220497261117
>>
>>
>>
>> IF YOU LIKE ARROWHEADS CHECK OUT THIS LOT OF 400+
>> Neolithic Points/Blade/Arrowhead- (400) w/3 Books #5
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342397280
>>
>>
>>
>> and of course MANY other great auctions ....
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for Your Support and Best Wishes
>>
>> Michael Cottingham
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Wed Oct 28 14:16:36 2009
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:16:36 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Odessa
References: <306419.43827.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <698FFD135C0740529B4BE3C8C33E2EDC@bellatrix>

The C14 calibration data only goes back 24,000 years, and there have been no 
confirmed significant impacts during that time, and not even any well dated 
minor impacts. So how can spikes in the calibration curve be linked to 
impacts?

Even given a large impact (a big given), there are plausible explanations 
for how this would affect C14 concentrations; far more plausible than the 
very unlikely production of neutrons.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Odessa


> Take a look at the INTCAL98 14C calibration chart. Major spikes appear to 
> map to impacts.



From carothersdl at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 14:36:43 2009
From: carothersdl at gmail.com (dave carothers)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:36:43 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights,
	Updates, 100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am
References: <2FD31F34-336E-4A9D-B752-881073B92D07@gilanet.com><D8B32B3D-A648-483E-8B42-B956053D8898@gilanet.com>
	<4AE88A01.9040502@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <37D75E229CFF49749D3D6950C331D479@your291etg47cr>

Congratulations, Mike.  

Regards,

Dave 


From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Wed Oct 28 14:45:06 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:45:06 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Hall of fame discussion
In-Reply-To: <145836.54427.qm@web46413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <145836.54427.qm@web46413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002f01ca57fe$c53190b0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Chladni, Schreibers, Tschermak, Daubr?e, Krinov, Ramdohr, Paneth, Buchwald,
& Steve Arnold Chicago.

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: imca-bounces at imcamail.de [mailto:imca-bounces at imcamail.de] Im Auftrag
von Greg Catterton
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2009 19:03
An: imca at imcamail.de
Betreff: [IMCA] Hall of fame discussion

Hey, hope everyone is doing good today. 

Some time ago (around the passing of Richard Norton)the idea for a meteorite
hall of fame was brought up on the met list.

I think this would be a good thing for the IMCA to do. As a collectors group
and not a "dealer" an idea of this nature would be more respected and seen
as more legitimate.

I have been spending some time thinking about this and I just picked up a
great domain name that would cover this very well. I would be willing to
offer it to the IMCA (for free) to use for the HOF site and would even work
on setting it up.

I am going to be offering out a few ideas over the coming days to get some
life to the IMCA list, hopefully some good results/discussions can come from
them.

What is everyones opinion of the hall of fame idea?
I have some ideas and a basic blueprint of what I see the Hall of fame as
being - I think it should be focused on contributions to the field of
meteoritics. members of the Hall of fame would be elected/nominated by the
IMCA (this might also bring in new members to be able to vote and nominate
for HOF status)

Anyone who has made a significant impact could be considered. I dont think
dealers as a whole should be included unless they have made significant
contributions (not just buying and selling meteorites)

My first nominations would be for:

Bob Haag (its Bob Haag, enough said)

Harvey Nininger (renewed scientific interest in meteorites)

Richard Norton (his books are what helped many of us better understand and
learn about meteorites)

Richard Kowalski (found the first meteorite before it became a meteorite!)

Jean Baptiste Biot (first strewnfield map and so much more)



Greg C.

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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Wed Oct 28 15:15:26 2009
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:15:26 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Hall of fame discussion
In-Reply-To: <161FE9DB0D5A46D284D72E69997B38A0@your291etg47cr>
References: <145836.54427.qm@web46413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<002f01ca57fe$c53190b0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
	<161FE9DB0D5A46D284D72E69997B38A0@your291etg47cr>
Message-ID: <004101ca5803$01dbd210$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Sorry, I mixed up the addresses.

This was from the IMCA-mailing-list and the reply was thought to be sent to
the IMCA-mailing list, not to the meteorite-mailing-list.

My apologies.

Meteorites are in the air....!
Martin in Munich


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dave carothers [mailto:carothersdl at gmail.com] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2009 20:02
An: Martin Altmann
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Hall of fame discussion

Martin,

When you mention Steve Arnold Chicago, please let me remind you...

The request was for nominations to the "Hall of FAME" not "Hall of SHAME"

Regards,

Dave Carothers


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Hall of fame discussion


Chladni, Schreibers, Tschermak, Daubr?e, Krinov, Ramdohr, Paneth, Buchwald,
& Steve Arnold Chicago.

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: imca-bounces at imcamail.de [mailto:imca-bounces at imcamail.de] Im Auftrag
von Greg Catterton
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2009 19:03
An: imca at imcamail.de
Betreff: [IMCA] Hall of fame discussion

Hey, hope everyone is doing good today.

Some time ago (around the passing of Richard Norton)the idea for a meteorite
hall of fame was brought up on the met list.

I think this would be a good thing for the IMCA to do. As a collectors group
and not a "dealer" an idea of this nature would be more respected and seen
as more legitimate.

I have been spending some time thinking about this and I just picked up a
great domain name that would cover this very well. I would be willing to
offer it to the IMCA (for free) to use for the HOF site and would even work
on setting it up.

I am going to be offering out a few ideas over the coming days to get some
life to the IMCA list, hopefully some good results/discussions can come from
them.

What is everyones opinion of the hall of fame idea?
I have some ideas and a basic blueprint of what I see the Hall of fame as
being - I think it should be focused on contributions to the field of
meteoritics. members of the Hall of fame would be elected/nominated by the
IMCA (this might also bring in new members to be able to vote and nominate
for HOF status)

Anyone who has made a significant impact could be considered. I dont think
dealers as a whole should be included unless they have made significant
contributions (not just buying and selling meteorites)

My first nominations would be for:

Bob Haag (its Bob Haag, enough said)

Harvey Nininger (renewed scientific interest in meteorites)

Richard Norton (his books are what helped many of us better understand and
learn about meteorites)

Richard Kowalski (found the first meteorite before it became a meteorite!)

Jean Baptiste Biot (first strewnfield map and so much more)



Greg C.

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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 15:21:43 2009
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:21:43 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Teacher Aids
Message-ID: <e51421550910281221u4235125bq9cf8e0111598d31d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List!

Here is a weblink with some great resources for teachers.

Scroll down towards the middle and bottom to see the meteorite-related
materials.

http://www.outofthecradle.net/archives/2008/10/teacher-tools-for-the-high-frontier-rocks-in-space/

Best regards,

MikeG


-- 
.........................................................
Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone
eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle
..........................................................


From ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com  Wed Oct 28 15:10:52 2009
From: ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com (Matson, Robert D.)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:10:52 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Odessa
In-Reply-To: <306419.43827.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <306419.43827.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7C640E28081AEE4B952F008D1E913F1701F8C0B6@0461-its-exmb04.us.saic.com>

E.P. wrote:

> Take a look at the INTCAL98 14C calibration chart. Major spikes appear
> to map to impacts.

"Spikes" in the C14 calibration chart can be caused by a number of
factors
(including measurement uncertainty/error). But the main cause of
variability
in the production rate of atmospheric C14 is simply variation in the
flux
of cosmic rays. Cosmic ray intensity is modulated by both the strength
of
the earth's magnetosphere and the sun's solar wind, neither of which is
constant.

>From the other side of the equation, atmospheric C12 is ALSO modulated
by earthly processes (e.g. volcanic eruptions, ocean temperature
changes)
which can produce regional anomalies in the samples used to build the
radiocarbon calibration curves.

There is no evidence that large impacts can cause nuclear reactions that
release neutrons. There isn't sufficient energy or fissionable material,
so I have difficulty coming up with a mechanism which could cause a
large spike in neutrons. I suppose if an impactor had an anomolously
high
beryllium content and it happened to hit an earth location with rich
uranium deposits, then you could get a small neutron hiccup. But
siderites
are very low in berrylium (< 10 parts per billion), so that's a no-go on
Odessa. Even chondrites typically have only a few hundred parts per
billion.

--Rob


From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 28 16:09:58 2009
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:09:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights,
 Updates, 100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am
Message-ID: <14964794.1256760598263.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Congratulations! If it is your first..then welcome to the club!

Count Deiro

-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com>
>Sent: Oct 28, 2009 12:02 PM
>To: michael cottingham <mikewren at gilanet.com>
>Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights, Updates, 100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am
>
>Aloha Michael, ke Ho?omaika?i - congratulations on the birth of your  
>daughter, and all the best to you and your wife on this momentous  
>occasion.
>
>gary
>
>On Oct 27, 2009, at 11:50 PM, michael cottingham wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> A quick report.... A beautiful, healthy, and big baby girl was born  
>> at 12:45 am today!  Everyone is doing fine and I must say dad is  
>> exhausted!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please join my private sales list. This is an important connection  
>>> to have if you want to continue receiving updates and great sales  
>>> offers from me.
>>>
>>> Just click on blank email and send. This should automatically get  
>>> you hooked up. If it does not work for you, send me your email and  
>>> I will send you an invitation to join.
>>>
>>> Click and send This email to join:
>>>
>>> meteoritecollector-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>>>
>>>
>>> (Huge Sales In My Ebay Store Start Today (sunday) so check  
>>> throughout the day as they start.)
>>>
>>>
>>> THE PORTAL ENTRANCE TO MY STORE:
>>> http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history
>>>
>>>
>>> ALL AUCTIONS THIS WEEK:
>>>
>>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/meteorite-collector/m.html?LH_Auction=1&_trksid=p3911.c0.m301
>>>
>>> Remember there are 2 pages of auctions this week and many of the  
>>> best ones are on the second page, so do not forget to look on page  
>>> 2 !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some Highlights:
>>>
>>> (Ash Creek) The WEST, Texas Fall, L6, 13.77g - OUTSTANDING SLICE!
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342517349
>>>
>>> (New) CV3, NWA 5546, Africa, MAIN MASS, 248 g   ... WOW a Real Cool  
>>> Main Mass!
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342400836
>>>
>>> A Beautiful Slice of SEYMCHAN, Pal, 182 gram - This is THE LAST of  
>>> my High Grade slices left. Close to a 2k specimen and currently a  
>>> fantastic deal for someone. Even at twice the current bid it is a  
>>> deal!
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220497190785
>>>
>>> Possible Fall VIEDMA, Argentina, L5, 2.40 g, Not much of this one  
>>> around. A great bargin!
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496683525
>>>
>>> Witnessed Fall THUATHE, Lesotho, 49.99 g, A very cool end cut!
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496633421
>>>
>>> -Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes, 67g - Rare and it speaks  
>>> for itself!
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496277850
>>>
>>> (NEW) NWA 4851, L6, Rare Individual 73.47g _ THERE ARE NOT many  
>>> individuals from this one and this one is a beauty!
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200395646153
>>>
>>> New Fall- TAMDAKHT, H5, 72g, Individual *  Please Look at This One...
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200395369107
>>>
>>> Very Rare Fall-ZHOVTNEVYI, Ukraine, H5, 1.39g - Another rare fall !
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342624035
>>>
>>> (NEW) Ungrouped Ataxite, GRIFFITH, TX, 45.25g - LAST Large slice  
>>> left!
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342392734
>>>
>>> Rare Low Total Known Weight-ALDAMA (b), 2.22g
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342393612
>>>
>>> Outstanding Silicated-Campo Del Cielo -25.75g - Real Nice!
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342393789
>>>
>>> Really Nice LUNAR/MARTIAN Set, 4 Different - A pretty Cool Set !
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342394264
>>>
>>> (NEW) NWA 5530, H5, Huge Slice-612 gram - BIG BIG BIG !
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342611137
>>>
>>> Chondrule Rich- NWA 5421, LL3.7, 6.47 gram - SUPER NICE!
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342619891
>>>
>>> SAYH AL UHAYMIR 001, L4/5, Oman, 35.22 gram
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496489008
>>>
>>> Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 3.64g
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496621784
>>>
>>> Beautiful (New), -NWA 5526, L3, 40.46 gram
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496483456
>>>
>>> Extremely Rare-WABAR, Saudi Arabia, 1.66 g
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496634617
>>>
>>> Superb CAMEL DONGA, Eucrite, Oriented, 21g
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220497261117
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IF YOU LIKE ARROWHEADS CHECK OUT THIS LOT OF 400+
>>> Neolithic Points/Blade/Arrowhead- (400) w/3 Books #5
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342397280
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and of course MANY other great auctions ....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for Your Support and Best Wishes
>>>
>>> Michael Cottingham
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>Gary Fujihara
>AstroDay Institute
>105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
>(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
>http://astroday.net
>
>______________________________________________
>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>Meteorite-list mailing list
>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list



From stm at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 28 16:23:45 2009
From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:23:45 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights,
	Updates, 100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am
In-Reply-To: <14964794.1256760598263.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <14964794.1256760598263.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9B305135FF584396B720B6AA51648EFB@Platinum2>

He's got a whole bucket-'o-kids at home.... veteran

Sean

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
To: "Gary Fujihara" <fujmon at mac.com>; "michael cottingham" 
<mikewren at gilanet.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights, 
Updates, 100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am


> Congratulations! If it is your first..then welcome to the club!
>
> Count Deiro
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com>
>>Sent: Oct 28, 2009 12:02 PM
>>To: michael cottingham <mikewren at gilanet.com>
>>Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights, 
>>Updates, 100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am
>>
>>Aloha Michael, ke Ho?omaika?i - congratulations on the birth of your
>>daughter, and all the best to you and your wife on this momentous
>>occasion.
>>
>>gary
>>
>>On Oct 27, 2009, at 11:50 PM, michael cottingham wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> A quick report.... A beautiful, healthy, and big baby girl was born
>>> at 12:45 am today!  Everyone is doing fine and I must say dad is
>>> exhausted!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please join my private sales list. This is an important connection
>>>> to have if you want to continue receiving updates and great sales
>>>> offers from me.
>>>>
>>>> Just click on blank email and send. This should automatically get
>>>> you hooked up. If it does not work for you, send me your email and
>>>> I will send you an invitation to join.
>>>>
>>>> Click and send This email to join:
>>>>
>>>> meteoritecollector-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Huge Sales In My Ebay Store Start Today (sunday) so check
>>>> throughout the day as they start.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> THE PORTAL ENTRANCE TO MY STORE:
>>>> http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ALL AUCTIONS THIS WEEK:
>>>>
>>>> http://shop.ebay.com:80/meteorite-collector/m.html?LH_Auction=1&_trksid=p3911.c0.m301
>>>>
>>>> Remember there are 2 pages of auctions this week and many of the
>>>> best ones are on the second page, so do not forget to look on page
>>>> 2 !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some Highlights:
>>>>
>>>> (Ash Creek) The WEST, Texas Fall, L6, 13.77g - OUTSTANDING SLICE!
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342517349
>>>>
>>>> (New) CV3, NWA 5546, Africa, MAIN MASS, 248 g   ... WOW a Real Cool
>>>> Main Mass!
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342400836
>>>>
>>>> A Beautiful Slice of SEYMCHAN, Pal, 182 gram - This is THE LAST of
>>>> my High Grade slices left. Close to a 2k specimen and currently a
>>>> fantastic deal for someone. Even at twice the current bid it is a
>>>> deal!
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220497190785
>>>>
>>>> Possible Fall VIEDMA, Argentina, L5, 2.40 g, Not much of this one
>>>> around. A great bargin!
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496683525
>>>>
>>>> Witnessed Fall THUATHE, Lesotho, 49.99 g, A very cool end cut!
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496633421
>>>>
>>>> -Extremely Rare-BONDOC, Philippines, Mes, 67g - Rare and it speaks
>>>> for itself!
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496277850
>>>>
>>>> (NEW) NWA 4851, L6, Rare Individual 73.47g _ THERE ARE NOT many
>>>> individuals from this one and this one is a beauty!
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200395646153
>>>>
>>>> New Fall- TAMDAKHT, H5, 72g, Individual *  Please Look at This One...
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200395369107
>>>>
>>>> Very Rare Fall-ZHOVTNEVYI, Ukraine, H5, 1.39g - Another rare fall !
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342624035
>>>>
>>>> (NEW) Ungrouped Ataxite, GRIFFITH, TX, 45.25g - LAST Large slice
>>>> left!
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342392734
>>>>
>>>> Rare Low Total Known Weight-ALDAMA (b), 2.22g
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342393612
>>>>
>>>> Outstanding Silicated-Campo Del Cielo -25.75g - Real Nice!
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342393789
>>>>
>>>> Really Nice LUNAR/MARTIAN Set, 4 Different - A pretty Cool Set !
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342394264
>>>>
>>>> (NEW) NWA 5530, H5, Huge Slice-612 gram - BIG BIG BIG !
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342611137
>>>>
>>>> Chondrule Rich- NWA 5421, LL3.7, 6.47 gram - SUPER NICE!
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342619891
>>>>
>>>> SAYH AL UHAYMIR 001, L4/5, Oman, 35.22 gram
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496489008
>>>>
>>>> Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 3.64g
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496621784
>>>>
>>>> Beautiful (New), -NWA 5526, L3, 40.46 gram
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496483456
>>>>
>>>> Extremely Rare-WABAR, Saudi Arabia, 1.66 g
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220496634617
>>>>
>>>> Superb CAMEL DONGA, Eucrite, Oriented, 21g
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220497261117
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IF YOU LIKE ARROWHEADS CHECK OUT THIS LOT OF 400+
>>>> Neolithic Points/Blade/Arrowhead- (400) w/3 Books #5
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190342397280
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and of course MANY other great auctions ....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for Your Support and Best Wishes
>>>>
>>>> Michael Cottingham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>>Gary Fujihara
>>AstroDay Institute
>>105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
>>(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
>>http://astroday.net
>>
>>______________________________________________
>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>Meteorite-list mailing list
>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Oct 28 17:50:03 2009
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:50:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 28, 2009
Message-ID: <200910282150.n9SLo3e0001186@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
October 28, 2009

o Channels from Hale Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_005609_1470

o USGS Dune Database Entry
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014429_1940 

o Unnamed Fresh Crater South of Isidis Region
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014412_1780

o Pebas Crater with Asymmetric Flow-Ejecta in Eastern Meridiani Planum
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014389_1775

o South Polar Residual Cap Monitoring: Rare Stratigraphic Contacts
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014379_0925

All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.



From cmb62 at columbus.rr.com  Wed Oct 28 18:19:33 2009
From: cmb62 at columbus.rr.com (Charley)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:19:33 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] New baby girl
In-Reply-To: <mailman.158.1256730155.66501.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.158.1256730155.66501.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <B616E3318BF64038A8CA4A88E1A99908@HAL1>

Hi Michael,

Congratulations!

Best regards,

Charley

"Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's
  try elephants !"

                    Hannibal

> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:50:47 -0700
> From: michael cottingham <mikewren at gilanet.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Auctions End Today! Auction Highlights,
> Updates, 100+ NEW specimens added to My Store! Baby Born 12:45 am
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <D8B32B3D-A648-483E-8B42-B956053D8898 at gilanet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> A quick report.... A beautiful, healthy, and big baby girl was born at
> 12:45 am today!  Everyone is doing fine and I must say dad is exhausted!
>
>




From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Oct 28 18:50:42 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:50:42 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Meteorite Wiki (ReCaptcha Added) Plus
	Licensing
In-Reply-To: <4AE7CC1F.5080007@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <4AE61D8F.7030208@meteoritesusa.com>	<BLU137-W575300A0C7189DD46F06AD6B90@phx.gbl>	<BLU137-W3750A6C25B2656285C8FA0D6B90@phx.gbl>	<4AE78864.9080107@meteoritesusa.com>
	<4AE7CC1F.5080007@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <4AE8CAC2.3000006@meteoritesusa.com>

Hello all,

Since last night I've received numerous emails thanking me for creating 
the Meteorite Wiki, offers of help, and warning at the same time of some 
unscrupulous fellows and spam-bots that would love to deface the wiki.

I've taken the advice and made some changes as well as increased the 
security of the site against Spam-Bots by adding ReCaptcha, an anti-spam 
registration verification system. Many of you are familiar with Captcha 
when you sign up for membership on many popular websites. It requires 
you to input a series of letters, words and/or numbers to verify you are 
a human user and not an automated spam-bot!

Hopefully this system will at least cut down on the "bad links" and 
discourage the people who would spam the site.

In addition, I've received a few emails regarding content contributions 
and possible licensing ideas, especially for the republishing of 
Wikipedia content relating to meteorites. To relieve all concerns 
regarding content creation and credit to outside sources, we're working 
hard on adding an attribution license that will fit this site and still 
allow as many users to contribute content while still providing some 
kind of commercial content protection. Personally I do not mind 
contributed content to be used commercially, but for some, they may wish 
to keep the content under an Attribution Share Alike license like 
Wikipedia has.

Thoughts and ideas on this are welcome and will be considered at length.

Well guys, thanks for the input, keep it coming, and enjoy the site!

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA


Meteorites USA wrote:
> Hello Listees,
>
> Unfortunately there's been some trouble with uncool links on the 
> Meteorite Wiki.
>
> I'd like to apologize to everyone about the "bad links" on the site. 
> Someone decided to be a jerk and post a bunch of not so cool links. I 
> thought I had removed all the bad links from the site. Sorry guys... I 
> guess it's something you have to deal with with an open community 
> information site. If ANYONE sees anything questionable on the site, 
> please send me the link to the page and I'll edit it accordingly. Just 
> a warning to all the would be "bad link" posters, Don't even think 
> about it! I will report anyone defacing the site under the Can-Spam 
> act and you will answer to the law, this is NOT a threat, do NOT try 
> me on this! This is my only warning to anyone who would try it. It 
> will not be tolerated. Again, I apologize for any offense this may 
> have inadvertently caused due to missing a few bad links in the edit.
>
> Those of you who would like to come on board to help with the 
> Meteorite Wiki I welcome you to contact me. I may have to pick out a 
> few trusted moderators to help moderate the site as well.
>
> Thanks for all your input, and enjoy the site.
>
> The Meteorite Wiki: www.meteoritewiki.com
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> 904-236-5394
>
>
>
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From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Wed Oct 28 19:01:47 2009
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (meteoriteshow at free.fr)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:01:47 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending on Saturday
Message-ID: <1256770907.4ae8cd5b950cc@imp.free.fr>

Dear Fellow Listees,


Our ebay auctions ending on Saturday can be seen at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZmeteoriteshow

They include:

1- DaG 947 - LL6 - 111.7g MAIN MASS
MAIN MASS & ENDCUT weighing 111.7g, dimensions 54x45x28mm
ENDCUT with FUSION CRUST
Displays big clasts and external part FUSION CRUSTED.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330369348667

2- DaG 573 L4 - 173.9g MAIN MASS
MAIN MASS - ENDCUT weighing 173.9g, dimensions 60x46x41mm
~ 50% FUSION CRUSTED, lots of sharply defined chondrules in a grey matrix &
metal flakes.
THIS IS THE LAST PIECE OF DaG 573 AVAILABLE...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330369340251

3- Al Haggounia 001 PRIM. AUB. - 23.3g endcut
Endcut weighing 23.3g, dimensions 44x31x16mm.
Cut in one of the freshest framents of Al Haggounia 001
Displays an interesting oxydized vein,
Shipped in a display box (large ones in box as shown on photo).
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330369344413

4- Ain Ouinet (unclass.) CV3 - 4.6g partslice
Partslice #1, weighing 4.6g, dimensions ~38x26x2mm.
Diplays nice CAIs and many sharpely defined chondrules.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330369416363

5- SAH 02500 L3 - 186.2g endcut
Endcut weighing 186.2g, dimensions: 100x78x30mm.
Typical structure of SAH 02500 diplaying sharp chondrules and 2 lithologies.
External part is partially fusion crusted.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330369351755

6- NWA 5611 (Prov.) - 9.3g partslice - EUCRITE
Classification - Dr Barrat UMR 6538 (Domaines Oc?aniques), U.B.O.-I.U.E.M.
(France)
PARTSLICE, weighing 9.3g, dimensions ~52x35x2mm.
Partially fusion crusted on 1 edge, typical of a polymict eucrite with nice
inclusions.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330369418370

Thank you very much for watching and best wishes to ALL BIDDERS!!!
Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)


From mpg4444 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 20:04:31 2009
From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:04:31 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Big Bang Origin Of The Moon (Tektite Related)
Message-ID: <ad733150910281704o690edb06s9b2870af09118098@mail.gmail.com>

Big Bang Origin Of The Moon

Explosive ejection from the Philippine Sea Plate


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0910/S00066.htm


"............Coleman speculates that the Philippine Sea Plate was once
an enormous hole out of which the Moon exited, and left a strewen
field, or trail, of previously unexplained glassy
tektites...............


From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 28 20:47:01 2009
From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:47:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Big Bang Origin Of The Moon (Tektite Related)
In-Reply-To: <ad733150910281704o690edb06s9b2870af09118098@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <602173.44723.qm@web55207.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Can somebody please explain to me two things?

1: How does this sort of crap get published
2: Why anybody thinks that publishing it is helpful when we live in a world of idiots who only believe things that can be explained in less than 30 seconds.

Rob McC

--- On Thu, 10/29/09, Michael Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Big Bang Origin Of The Moon (Tektite Related)
> To: "Meteorite List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:04 AM
> Big Bang Origin Of The Moon
> 
> Explosive ejection from the Philippine Sea Plate
> 
> 
> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0910/S00066.htm
> 
> 
> "............Coleman speculates that the Philippine Sea
> Plate was once
> an enormous hole out of which the Moon exited, and left a
> strewen
> field, or trail, of previously unexplained glassy
> tektites...............
> ______________________________________________
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Oct 28 20:56:36 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:56:36 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Latvia Meteorite Hoax: Telecom Co. In Trouble
Message-ID: <4AE8E844.6070103@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Listees,

Telecom company in big trouble with Latvian Government and stocks decline.

Mobile operator faces legal action over fake meteorite
http://www.telecomseurope.net/content/mobile-operator-faces-legal-action-over-fake-meteorite

Tele2 in Hole After Publicity Stunt:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/210b803a-c32a-11de-8eca-00144feab49a.html?nclick_check=1

Tele2 Stock
http://markets.ft.com/tearsheets/performance.asp?s=se:TEL2%20B

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA




From gmhupe at htn.net  Wed Oct 28 21:35:30 2009
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:35:30 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rare Material Auctions - 99 cent Starting - AD
Message-ID: <1483272557674856921F5E8F68D219D0@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

After a 2-week eBay break, I have just loaded 39 excellent meteorite 
auctions, one-third of which are Planetary, and the rest both rare 
Achondrites and other nice specimens. These have All been started at just 99 
cents, and are sure to end next Wednesday at Give-Away prices!!!

If you appreciate great material at excellent prices, please click here to 
see all that I currently have available on eBay:
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Thank you for looking, and have fun bidding. Good Luck winning what you are 
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Best regards,
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====================
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NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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From tinbider at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 28 22:01:47 2009
From: tinbider at yahoo.co.uk (Aubrey Whymark)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:01:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Big Bang Origin Of The Moon (Tektite Related)
In-Reply-To: <ad733150910281704o690edb06s9b2870af09118098@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <946864.2356.qm@web28509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

What a fruit loop. This theory has more holes in it than swiss cheese. Does he think the moon is made of cheese too? I stopped reading half way through.....

Aubrey
www.tektites.co.uk



--- On Thu, 29/10/09, Michael Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Big Bang Origin Of The Moon (Tektite Related)
> To: "Meteorite List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 0:04
> Big Bang Origin Of The Moon
> 
> Explosive ejection from the Philippine Sea Plate
> 
> 
> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0910/S00066.htm
> 
> 
> "............Coleman speculates that the Philippine Sea
> Plate was once
> an enormous hole out of which the Moon exited, and left a
> strewen
> field, or trail, of previously unexplained glassy
> tektites...............
> ______________________________________________
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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Wed Oct 28 22:19:01 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:19:01 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
Message-ID: <8247DE0AF16D47C991D58AF2CE32A9F1@meteorroom>

Hi All,

I recently wrote a brief article that Larry ran in the August 2009 issue of
Meteorite Magazine entitled "Temporary Custodians," and the response has
been a bit surprising.  Somewhere around a couple dozen readers have taken
the time to drop me an email saying things like "thanks for the heads-up
article...[it] made for uneasy reading."  Surely there are collectors on
this list who do not yet subscribe to Meteorite Magazine (and everyone on
this list really should!), so, given the topic, I'm posting a transcript
below.

The content is by no means comprehensive, but I'd really encourage those of
you with meteorite collections to give it a quick read.  Most of us have
been guilty at one time or another -- or at all times -- of leaving loose
ends such as those described in the writing.  Anyway, a web version of it
can be found here: http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm.

Larry, I hope you don't mind my posting it here, and thank you again for
giving the topic coverage in Meteorite!

All the best,

Dave

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 



From astroroks at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 29 00:39:57 2009
From: astroroks at hotmail.com (Dennis Miller)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:39:57 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Big Bang Origin Of The Moon (Tektite Related)
In-Reply-To: <946864.2356.qm@web28509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <ad733150910281704o690edb06s9b2870af09118098@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL113-W42EBAE42FE428829CA553CB1B70@phx.gbl>


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Hello!  Not sure where the holes are. This theory is much the same as Dr. H=
artmann and
Dr. Davis hypothesized in their paper=2C in the late 70's and more recently=
 by Dr. Jeffery
Taylor's published research.  I kinda like the impact theory from 4 billion=
 years ago.
Just wondering which theory you like?
Dennis
=20
=20

> Date: Thu=2C 29 Oct 2009 02:01:47 +0000
> From: tinbider at yahoo.co.uk
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Big Bang Origin Of The Moon (Tektite Relate=
d)
>=20
> What a fruit loop. This theory has more holes in it than swiss cheese. Do=
es he think the moon is made of cheese too? I stopped reading half way thro=
ugh.....
>=20
> Aubrey
> www.tektites.co.uk
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --- On Thu=2C 29/10/09=2C Michael Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>> From: Michael Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Big Bang Origin Of The Moon (Tektite Related)
>> To: "Meteorite List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Thursday=2C 29 October=2C 2009=2C 0:04
>> Big Bang Origin Of The Moon
>>=20
>> Explosive ejection from the Philippine Sea Plate
>>=20
>>=20
>> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0910/S00066.htm
>>=20
>>=20
>> "............Coleman speculates that the Philippine Sea
>> Plate was once
>> an enormous hole out of which the Moon exited=2C and left a
>> strewen
>> field=2C or trail=2C of previously unexplained glassy
>> tektites...............
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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>=20
>=20
>=20
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From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 29 01:07:14 2009
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:07:14 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
In-Reply-To: <8247DE0AF16D47C991D58AF2CE32A9F1@meteorroom>
References: <8247DE0AF16D47C991D58AF2CE32A9F1@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <SNT102-W16FC0CC54D7B69BD7ED960A2B70@phx.gbl>


Are we temporary custodians? That implies we owe the collective in a Jungian way. If you consider all the negative things that could happen to our meteorites/belongings, you'll either become a monk or a nervous wreck. 
 
Everything should be recorded in case of an accident but life comes before the provenance of any collection. Time is so short for us.
 
This comment is based on an assumption of what your article was about as the link didn't work for me.
 
Thanks,
Bill
 

> From: dave at fallingrocks.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:19:01 -0400
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I recently wrote a brief article that Larry ran in the August 2009 issue of
> Meteorite Magazine entitled "Temporary Custodians," and the response has
> been a bit surprising. Somewhere around a couple dozen readers have taken
> the time to drop me an email saying things like "thanks for the heads-up
> article...[it] made for uneasy reading." Surely there are collectors on
> this list who do not yet subscribe to Meteorite Magazine (and everyone on
> this list really should!), so, given the topic, I'm posting a transcript
> below.
> 
> The content is by no means comprehensive, but I'd really encourage those of
> you with meteorite collections to give it a quick read. Most of us have
> been guilty at one time or another -- or at all times -- of leaving loose
> ends such as those described in the writing. Anyway, a web version of it
> can be found here: http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm.
> 
> Larry, I hope you don't mind my posting it here, and thank you again for
> giving the topic coverage in Meteorite!
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Dave
> 
> Dave Gheesling
> IMCA #5967
> www.fallingrocks.com 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 01:53:56 2009
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:53:56 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Big Bang Origin Of The Moon (Tektite Related)
In-Reply-To: <COL113-W42EBAE42FE428829CA553CB1B70@phx.gbl>
References: <ad733150910281704o690edb06s9b2870af09118098@mail.gmail.com>
	<946864.2356.qm@web28509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<COL113-W42EBAE42FE428829CA553CB1B70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <93aaac890910282253w5763171eo4c8494e8448dd2e@mail.gmail.com>

Yo,

Well, I'm not sure about how a real physicist would see his explosive
fission theory, but from what I've learned, that sounds like a load of
BS.  Do you know how much energy would be required to get something
the size of the moon out as far as it is?  Or to move it ten feet in
any direction?  There's not enough fissionable material in the planet
to move it a tenth of the distance away from the earth that it is -
never mind the lack of a catalyst for such an event.

Beyond that, take a look at the age of the australasian tektite field
- 803,000 (+/-3,000) years old.  Not only would this make the moon a
mere 800,000 years old, but according to his theory, the explosive
fission event also led to the beginning of plate tectonics.  Now we
have a real problem.  If plate tectonics started 800,000 years ago.

http://www.visionlearning.com/library/module_viewer.php?mid=65

Right.  A process that is accepted by mainstream science (plate
tectonics - not a controversial subject) that we're certain was
occurring >200 million years ago was kick-started by an impact 800,000
years ago.  And this is supported by a plethora of biological and
geological evidence.

And then you have the references like this:

"There are currently several problems with the big impact theory.
Where did the hypothetical Theia come from and what was the credible
mechanism to generate identical oxygen isotopes? Unfortunately there
are now more and more ad-hoc auxiliary hypotheses to keep the main
hypothesis afloat."

Well, not so hard to explain:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V66-3VW7RRH-D&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1068956432&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=765ea067d30de32d5cfb53d486e32683

Maybe we were hit by an impactor with similar oxygen isotopes.  Or
maybe the impact occurred early enough for things to homogenize
somewhat afterwards (we did have plate tectonics, after all).  At
least those scenarios are *possible.*

Or how about :

"The Moon genesis explosion would have created many signatures such as
the uplift of the Himalayas, the huge elevated plateau of Tibet and
the impression that India apparently collided with Eurasia, as
suggested first by Dewey and Bird in 1970."

Plate tectonics?  Generally accepted science?  You might as well say
that the Chicxulub crater is volcanic.  That's the kind of claim he's
making.

My personal favorite:

"For example the same explosive shock wave that sent the Moon into
orbit could also account for a host of geological anomalies including:
orphiolites (mantle rocks embedded in the crust), cryptoexplosive
craters eg the Bushveld complex, the global K-T (cretaceous-tertiary)
iridium layer, the enrichment of certain elements in the mantle,
undersea plateaus, certain antipodal relationships on the Earth, the
presence of volatiles, like the suspected gaseous emission (transient
lunar phenomenon, TLP) and water on the Moon."

So now this impact occurred ~3.5 billion years ago, 65 million years
ago, 800,000 years ago - and everywhere in between.  And accounts for
many phenomena which are likely completely unrelated.

- And some more nonsensical rubbish like this:

"This means that oceanic slabs need not be continually subducting
under continents in what are called Wilson cycles. If there was no
recycling of ocean floor then what is laid down now is the original
ocean floor. So this logic leads to the implication that the oldest
original ocean floor in the North western Pacific is only 200 million
years old."

Take a look at this carefully.  If oceanic slabs were not being
subducted, they would be as old as...well, whenever they formed.  This
logic would lead to the implication of the fact that the ocean floor
is old - at least as old as the moon, because he states that the scar
left by the expulsion of the moon created the hole in which the ocean
formed (this sounds like a child wrote it).  Of course, the age of
this hole is ambiguous; with the age of the moon being anywhere from
800,000 years to 3.5 billion, we're really not left with much to work
with; everything we know is clearly wrong.  According to Coleman,
though, the event also 'reset geologic clocks on earth,' so everything
we think we currently know about geology (at least geology since the
event) is likely...yeah, wrong.  It's ok, though.  What is clear in
the article is that he's working to figure all of this out.  He'll
save science, singlehandedly if he must.

Hm.

Yeah, I should get back to homework.  It's physics...and this is a
waste of time.
Regards,
Jason

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Dennis Miller <astroroks at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?<946864.2356.qm at web28509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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>
>
> Hello! ?Not sure where the holes are. This theory is much the same as Dr. H=
> artmann and
> Dr. Davis hypothesized in their paper=2C in the late 70's and more recently=
> ?by Dr. Jeffery
> Taylor's published research. ?I kinda like the impact theory from 4 billion=
> ?years ago.
> Just wondering which theory you like?
> Dennis
> =20
> =20
>
>> Date: Thu=2C 29 Oct 2009 02:01:47 +0000
>> From: tinbider at yahoo.co.uk
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Big Bang Origin Of The Moon (Tektite Relate=
> d)
>>=20
>> What a fruit loop. This theory has more holes in it than swiss cheese. Do=
> es he think the moon is made of cheese too? I stopped reading half way thro=
> ugh.....
>>=20
>> Aubrey
>> www.tektites.co.uk
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> --- On Thu=2C 29/10/09=2C Michael Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>> From: Michael Groetz <mpg4444 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Big Bang Origin Of The Moon (Tektite Related)
>>> To: "Meteorite List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Date: Thursday=2C 29 October=2C 2009=2C 0:04
>>> Big Bang Origin Of The Moon
>>>=20
>>> Explosive ejection from the Philippine Sea Plate
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0910/S00066.htm
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> "............Coleman speculates that the Philippine Sea
>>> Plate was once
>>> an enormous hole out of which the Moon exited=2C and left a
>>> strewen
>>> field=2C or trail=2C of previously unexplained glassy
>>> tektites...............
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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Thu Oct 29 07:21:00 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:21:00 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
In-Reply-To: <SNT102-W16FC0CC54D7B69BD7ED960A2B70@phx.gbl>
References: <8247DE0AF16D47C991D58AF2CE32A9F1@meteorroom>
	<SNT102-W16FC0CC54D7B69BD7ED960A2B70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DAD7632469D4464AB97293AA9D226D1C@meteorroom>

Bill & All,

A couple of notes have come in expressing trouble with the link, yours being
the second, so go to www.fallingrocks.com, hit Links & Resources on the home
page, then hit "Temporary Custodians" under the Media header.

Interesting to see insight from you re: concern over negative things, but,
to keep this positive, perhaps you might spend two minutes giving it a read
before posting said assumptions? I doubt the notion is one that might drive
readers to a monastery or Zoloft. Pretty simple stuff, and a real shame when
such an easy thing to do is overlooked until it is too late.

Dave 

-----Original Message-----
From: bill kies [mailto:parkforestmet at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:07 AM
To: dave at fallingrocks.com
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning


Are we temporary custodians? That implies we owe the collective in a Jungian
way. If you consider all the negative things that could happen to our
meteorites/belongings, you'll either become a monk or a nervous wreck. 
 
Everything should be recorded in case of an accident but life comes before
the provenance of any collection. Time is so short for us.
 
This comment is based on an assumption of what your article was about as the
link didn't work for me.
 
Thanks,
Bill
 

> From: dave at fallingrocks.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:19:01 -0400
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I recently wrote a brief article that Larry ran in the August 2009 
> issue of Meteorite Magazine entitled "Temporary Custodians," and the 
> response has been a bit surprising. Somewhere around a couple dozen 
> readers have taken the time to drop me an email saying things like 
> "thanks for the heads-up article...[it] made for uneasy reading." 
> Surely there are collectors on this list who do not yet subscribe to 
> Meteorite Magazine (and everyone on this list really should!), so, 
> given the topic, I'm posting a transcript below.
> 
> The content is by no means comprehensive, but I'd really encourage 
> those of you with meteorite collections to give it a quick read. Most 
> of us have been guilty at one time or another -- or at all times -- of 
> leaving loose ends such as those described in the writing. Anyway, a 
> web version of it can be found here:
http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm.
> 
> Larry, I hope you don't mind my posting it here, and thank you again 
> for giving the topic coverage in Meteorite!
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Dave
> 
> Dave Gheesling
> IMCA #5967
> www.fallingrocks.com
> 
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Thu Oct 29 13:32:46 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:32:46 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
In-Reply-To: <8247DE0AF16D47C991D58AF2CE32A9F1@meteorroom>
References: <8247DE0AF16D47C991D58AF2CE32A9F1@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <277782A7605A442C9314404248EBE83E@Bandli1>

Great article, Dave! I'm so glad this was published and hope others will
take a minute to read it and think about it. One of my biggest fears in our
hobby is the loss of information. I hope more people will spend the time
researching and properly documenting the meteorites *they already own.* It
is amazing how deep you can go when you put forth the effort. It is a fact
that future generations will rely significantly on this information. I agree
that we are all obligated, as *temporary custodians,* to properly document
and curate each specimen we own.

-----------------------------------
Mike Bandli
Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA #5765
-----------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Gheesling
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:19 PM
To: 'meteoritecentral'
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning

Hi All,

I recently wrote a brief article that Larry ran in the August 2009 issue of
Meteorite Magazine entitled "Temporary Custodians," and the response has
been a bit surprising.  Somewhere around a couple dozen readers have taken
the time to drop me an email saying things like "thanks for the heads-up
article...[it] made for uneasy reading."  Surely there are collectors on
this list who do not yet subscribe to Meteorite Magazine (and everyone on
this list really should!), so, given the topic, I'm posting a transcript
below.

The content is by no means comprehensive, but I'd really encourage those of
you with meteorite collections to give it a quick read.  Most of us have
been guilty at one time or another -- or at all times -- of leaving loose
ends such as those described in the writing.  Anyway, a web version of it
can be found here: http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm.

Larry, I hope you don't mind my posting it here, and thank you again for
giving the topic coverage in Meteorite!

All the best,

Dave

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 

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From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 14:05:32 2009
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:05:32 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD/up date to web pages Admire pallasite meteorites
Message-ID: <468bf6050910291105l313fabcev4874d79544f5c550@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone I have just finished adding several full slices of the
very interesting and beautiful Admire pallasite meteorites to my web
site. This particular meteorite shows a shimmer affect which I have
not photographed yet but both of the larger slices display this unique
affect. The crystals are the most interesting I have seen, they have
such depth and reflect light back and wow so many colors. You can see
new additions here http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm
Small photos open to larger versions just click on them to enlarge. I
have some other interesting items running on Ebay if you are
interested no Admire right now but some smaller pieces will be start
as early as this evening with more to follow in the coming days and
weeks. My Ebay is here
http://shop.ebay.com/flattoprocks/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340
My wife has her Ebay up and running with different pieces and you can
find her here http://shop.ebay.com/flatop-2/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340
Her Ebay will be selling small Admire slices in weeks to come as well.
Thanks for looking

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
     928-753-6825


From lintonius at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 29 16:27:49 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:27:49 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
References: <8247DE0AF16D47C991D58AF2CE32A9F1@meteorroom><SNT102-W16FC0CC54D7B69BD7ED960A2B70@phx.gbl>
	<DAD7632469D4464AB97293AA9D226D1C@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <A6D0B450AD084CDFB782498064DD40EE@D190TH71>

Dave,
I enjoyed reading your article again, despite having read it in Met Mag 
already.
I'm in the midst of updating the "recent" acquisitions and sales in my 
humble collection. I'm living on borrowed time already, as we all are 
really, so it is important to me that my wife is left with more than a pile 
of rocks to sort through. Your article gives me some ideas on how I can 
improve my system. And don't worry, I'll enjoy life while doing so. ;^) 
Thank you.
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Gheesling" <dave at fallingrocks.com>
To: "'bill kies'" <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning


> Bill & All,
>
> A couple of notes have come in expressing trouble with the link, yours 
> being
> the second, so go to www.fallingrocks.com, hit Links & Resources on the 
> home
> page, then hit "Temporary Custodians" under the Media header.
>
> Interesting to see insight from you re: concern over negative things, but,
> to keep this positive, perhaps you might spend two minutes giving it a 
> read
> before posting said assumptions? I doubt the notion is one that might 
> drive
> readers to a monastery or Zoloft. Pretty simple stuff, and a real shame 
> when
> such an easy thing to do is overlooked until it is too late.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bill kies [mailto:parkforestmet at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:07 AM
> To: dave at fallingrocks.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
>
>
> Are we temporary custodians? That implies we owe the collective in a 
> Jungian
> way. If you consider all the negative things that could happen to our
> meteorites/belongings, you'll either become a monk or a nervous wreck.
>
> Everything should be recorded in case of an accident but life comes before
> the provenance of any collection. Time is so short for us.
>
> This comment is based on an assumption of what your article was about as 
> the
> link didn't work for me.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
>> From: dave at fallingrocks.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:19:01 -0400
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I recently wrote a brief article that Larry ran in the August 2009
>> issue of Meteorite Magazine entitled "Temporary Custodians," and the
>> response has been a bit surprising. Somewhere around a couple dozen
>> readers have taken the time to drop me an email saying things like
>> "thanks for the heads-up article...[it] made for uneasy reading."
>> Surely there are collectors on this list who do not yet subscribe to
>> Meteorite Magazine (and everyone on this list really should!), so,
>> given the topic, I'm posting a transcript below.
>>
>> The content is by no means comprehensive, but I'd really encourage
>> those of you with meteorite collections to give it a quick read. Most
>> of us have been guilty at one time or another -- or at all times -- of
>> leaving loose ends such as those described in the writing. Anyway, a
>> web version of it can be found here:
> http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm.
>>
>> Larry, I hope you don't mind my posting it here, and thank you again
>> for giving the topic coverage in Meteorite!
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Dave Gheesling
>> IMCA #5967
>> www.fallingrocks.com
> 



From mccartney at blackbearddata.com  Thu Oct 29 17:58:43 2009
From: mccartney at blackbearddata.com (McCartney Taylor)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:58:43 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
Message-ID: <1256853523.7275.7.camel@Game-machine>

Having a bit of a problem on some etch jobs and having to re-etch a few
specimens.

How do you rinse/neutralize your ferric after the etch?  I'm getting
remnant staining and sometimes corrosion. I'm doing something wrong.

Any ideas?

-mt





From rhartman04 at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 29 19:33:46 2009
From: rhartman04 at earthlink.net (R N Hartman)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:33:46 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
References: <1256853523.7275.7.camel@Game-machine>
Message-ID: <94E6D806D15947D1A52DA26AB3F127C3@DBZC5NB1>

Hello McCartney (and all):

Yes,  the etch happens very quickly and you need to terminate it by a quick 
wash under running water.  Follow with a rinse in distilled water if you 
want to but we never do and it works fine.  You don;t have to neutralize it, 
just wash it off VERY FAST.  In fact, I use running water to slow down the 
process as I am doing it, especially if I need to etch one section of a 
surface more. There is a bit of a technique - just practice and you will do 
well.  If yo are getting staining your washing is incomplete.

Ron Hartman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "McCartney Taylor" <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>
To: "MeteoriteList" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:58 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride


> Having a bit of a problem on some etch jobs and having to re-etch a few
> specimens.
>
> How do you rinse/neutralize your ferric after the etch?  I'm getting
> remnant staining and sometimes corrosion. I'm doing something wrong.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> -mt
>
>
>
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Thu Oct 29 20:04:03 2009
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:04:03 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
In-Reply-To: <94E6D806D15947D1A52DA26AB3F127C3@DBZC5NB1>
References: <1256853523.7275.7.camel@Game-machine>
	<94E6D806D15947D1A52DA26AB3F127C3@DBZC5NB1>
Message-ID: <4AEA2D73.6040803@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi McCartney, Ron, Listees,

This might actually be a good topic for an article on the new Meteorite 
Wiki. Perhaps an experienced and generous person would be willing to 
extend the time to write an extensive and detailed article on it 
including information on preservation and stabilization. I'm sure others 
would love to learn the process. I would be will to add a few of my 
photos to the document and release them into the public domain for all 
use. What do you think?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA





R N Hartman wrote:
> Hello McCartney (and all):
>
> Yes,  the etch happens very quickly and you need to terminate it by a 
> quick wash under running water.  Follow with a rinse in distilled 
> water if you want to but we never do and it works fine.  You don;t 
> have to neutralize it, just wash it off VERY FAST.  In fact, I use 
> running water to slow down the process as I am doing it, especially if 
> I need to etch one section of a surface more. There is a bit of a 
> technique - just practice and you will do well.  If yo are getting 
> staining your washing is incomplete.
>
> Ron Hartman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "McCartney Taylor" 
> <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>
> To: "MeteoriteList" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:58 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
>
>
>> Having a bit of a problem on some etch jobs and having to re-etch a few
>> specimens.
>>
>> How do you rinse/neutralize your ferric after the etch?  I'm getting
>> remnant staining and sometimes corrosion. I'm doing something wrong.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> -mt
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 29 20:27:05 2009
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:27:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
Message-ID: <14125384.1256862425257.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi List,

Anyone have any experience using Radio Shack circuit board etching solution?

Count Deiro

-----Original Message-----
>From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>Sent: Oct 29, 2009 8:04 PM
>To: R N Hartman <rhartman04 at earthlink.net>
>Cc: mccartney at blackbearddata.com, MeteoriteList <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
>
>Hi McCartney, Ron, Listees,
>
>This might actually be a good topic for an article on the new Meteorite 
>Wiki. Perhaps an experienced and generous person would be willing to 
>extend the time to write an extensive and detailed article on it 
>including information on preservation and stabilization. I'm sure others 
>would love to learn the process. I would be will to add a few of my 
>photos to the document and release them into the public domain for all 
>use. What do you think?
>
>Regards,
>Eric Wichman
>Meteorites USA
>
>
>
>
>
>R N Hartman wrote:
>> Hello McCartney (and all):
>>
>> Yes,  the etch happens very quickly and you need to terminate it by a 
>> quick wash under running water.  Follow with a rinse in distilled 
>> water if you want to but we never do and it works fine.  You don;t 
>> have to neutralize it, just wash it off VERY FAST.  In fact, I use 
>> running water to slow down the process as I am doing it, especially if 
>> I need to etch one section of a surface more. There is a bit of a 
>> technique - just practice and you will do well.  If yo are getting 
>> staining your washing is incomplete.
>>
>> Ron Hartman
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "McCartney Taylor" 
>> <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>
>> To: "MeteoriteList" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:58 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
>>
>>
>>> Having a bit of a problem on some etch jobs and having to re-etch a few
>>> specimens.
>>>
>>> How do you rinse/neutralize your ferric after the etch?  I'm getting
>>> remnant staining and sometimes corrosion. I'm doing something wrong.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> -mt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 
>>
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From rhartman04 at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 29 20:29:53 2009
From: rhartman04 at earthlink.net (R N Hartman)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:29:53 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
References: <1256853523.7275.7.camel@Game-machine>
	<94E6D806D15947D1A52DA26AB3F127C3@DBZC5NB1>
Message-ID: <93ED006700FA4AFFBFF653A307431C83@DBZC5NB1>

Ferric is a deeper more contrasty etch than nitric and gives a more pleasing 
etch.  It can be used as an alternative to a nitric etch.  We use it all the 
time and it is the only etchant we use.  And its easier to obtain and handle 
than nitric.  See our article ETCHING IRON METEORITES (The Myth of Nitric 
Acid) in Meteorite Times, November, 2002: 
http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2002/November/index.htm

Ron Hartman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R N Hartman" <rhartman04 at earthlink.net>
To: <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>; "MeteoriteList" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride


> Hello McCartney (and all):
>
> Yes,  the etch happens very quickly and you need to terminate it by a 
> quick wash under running water.  Follow with a rinse in distilled water if 
> you want to but we never do and it works fine.  You don;t have to 
> neutralize it, just wash it off VERY FAST.  In fact, I use running water 
> to slow down the process as I am doing it, especially if I need to etch 
> one section of a surface more. There is a bit of a technique - just 
> practice and you will do well.  If yo are getting staining your washing is 
> incomplete.
>
> Ron Hartman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "McCartney Taylor" <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>
> To: "MeteoriteList" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:58 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
>
>
>> Having a bit of a problem on some etch jobs and having to re-etch a few
>> specimens.
>>
>> How do you rinse/neutralize your ferric after the etch?  I'm getting
>> remnant staining and sometimes corrosion. I'm doing something wrong.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> -mt
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 29 20:29:54 2009
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:29:54 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
References: <1256853523.7275.7.camel@Game-machine><94E6D806D15947D1A52DA26AB3F127C3@DBZC5NB1>
	<4AEA2D73.6040803@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <0F46318059B24D3B8B0EA74F53AB2219@D190TH71>

It sure would, Eric.
I should point out though, that there is a PowerPoint presentation available 
on the subject under the downloads category on the IMCA site. It is entitled 
Meteorites 301, and is a follow-up to 201 and 101, as you would expect. I 
just downloaded them all last week, and may use the first two for a upcoming 
Boy Scout presentation.
I should also point out that I have not *yet* done any etching, so the 
contents of this PowerPoint program pretty much match the extent of my 
knowledge on the subject! ;^)
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
To: "R N Hartman" <rhartman04 at earthlink.net>
Cc: <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>; "MeteoriteList" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride


> Hi McCartney, Ron, Listees,
>
> This might actually be a good topic for an article on the new Meteorite 
> Wiki. Perhaps an experienced and generous person would be willing to 
> extend the time to write an extensive and detailed article on it including 
> information on preservation and stabilization. I'm sure others would love 
> to learn the process. I would be will to add a few of my photos to the 
> document and release them into the public domain for all use. What do you 
> think?
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
>
>
>
>
>
> R N Hartman wrote:
>> Hello McCartney (and all):
>>
>> Yes,  the etch happens very quickly and you need to terminate it by a 
>> quick wash under running water.  Follow with a rinse in distilled water 
>> if you want to but we never do and it works fine.  You don;t have to 
>> neutralize it, just wash it off VERY FAST.  In fact, I use running water 
>> to slow down the process as I am doing it, especially if I need to etch 
>> one section of a surface more. There is a bit of a technique - just 
>> practice and you will do well.  If yo are getting staining your washing 
>> is incomplete.
>>
>> Ron Hartman
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "McCartney Taylor" 
>> <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>
>> To: "MeteoriteList" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:58 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
>>
>>
>>> Having a bit of a problem on some etch jobs and having to re-etch a few
>>> specimens.
>>>
>>> How do you rinse/neutralize your ferric after the etch?  I'm getting
>>> remnant staining and sometimes corrosion. I'm doing something wrong.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> -mt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
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From Impactika at aol.com  Thu Oct 29 20:54:29 2009
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:54:29 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
Message-ID: <d0c.613b0977.381b9345@aol.com>

Thank you Linton.
However those PowerPoint presentations are for IMCA members only.
You need a logon Id to download them.
Eventually there will be a lot more education and information material on 
our website but it has to be written first, and two IMCA are working on that.
So it will be a while longer.

An incentive to become an IMCA member now????    ;-)
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 



In a message dated 10/29/2009 6:30:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
lintonius at earthlink.net writes:
It sure would, Eric.
I should point out though, that there is a PowerPoint presentation 
available 
on the subject under the downloads category on the IMCA site. It is 
entitled 
Meteorites 301, and is a follow-up to 201 and 101, as you would expect. I 
just downloaded them all last week, and may use the first two for a 
upcoming 
Boy Scout presentation.
I should also point out that I have not *yet* done any etching, so the 
contents of this PowerPoint program pretty much match the extent of my 
knowledge on the subject! ;^)
Linton




From webbth1 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 29 21:37:55 2009
From: webbth1 at yahoo.com (Thomas Webb)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:37:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
In-Reply-To: <14125384.1256862425257.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <19928.89215.qm@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Count,
Yes.  It's ferric chloride and works fine.
Thomas



--- On Thu, 10/29/09, countdeiro at earthlink.net <countdeiro at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: countdeiro at earthlink.net <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
> To: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>, "R N Hartman" <rhartman04 at earthlink.net>
> Cc: mccartney at blackbearddata.com, "MeteoriteList" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 8:27 PM
> Hi List,
> 
> Anyone have any experience using Radio Shack circuit board
> etching solution?
> 
> Count Deiro
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> >Sent: Oct 29, 2009 8:04 PM
> >To: R N Hartman <rhartman04 at earthlink.net>
> >Cc: mccartney at blackbearddata.com,
> MeteoriteList <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via
> ferric choride
> >
> >Hi McCartney, Ron, Listees,
> >
> >This might actually be a good topic for an article on
> the new Meteorite 
> >Wiki. Perhaps an experienced and generous person would
> be willing to 
> >extend the time to write an extensive and detailed
> article on it 
> >including information on preservation and
> stabilization. I'm sure others 
> >would love to learn the process. I would be will to add
> a few of my 
> >photos to the document and release them into the public
> domain for all 
> >use. What do you think?
> >
> >Regards,
> >Eric Wichman
> >Meteorites USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >R N Hartman wrote:
> >> Hello McCartney (and all):
> >>
> >> Yes,? the etch happens very quickly and you
> need to terminate it by a 
> >> quick wash under running water.? Follow with
> a rinse in distilled 
> >> water if you want to but we never do and it works
> fine.? You don;t 
> >> have to neutralize it, just wash it off VERY
> FAST.? In fact, I use 
> >> running water to slow down the process as I am
> doing it, especially if 
> >> I need to etch one section of a surface more.
> There is a bit of a 
> >> technique - just practice and you will do
> well.? If yo are getting 
> >> staining your washing is incomplete.
> >>
> >> Ron Hartman
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "McCartney
> Taylor" 
> >> <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>
> >> To: "MeteoriteList" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:58 PM
> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via
> ferric choride
> >>
> >>
> >>> Having a bit of a problem on some etch jobs
> and having to re-etch a few
> >>> specimens.
> >>>
> >>> How do you rinse/neutralize your ferric after
> the etch?? I'm getting
> >>> remnant staining and sometimes corrosion. I'm
> doing something wrong.
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> -mt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> ______________________________________________
> >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >>> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >>
> >
> >______________________________________________
> >http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >Meteorite-list mailing list
> >Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


      


From Midwest at Meteorman.org  Thu Oct 29 22:16:14 2009
From: Midwest at Meteorman.org (Timothy  Heitz)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:16:14 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list]  AD - Admire pallasite FOR SALE
References: <468bf6050910291105l313fabcev4874d79544f5c550@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94E782DB3AC04DE59FE4FD8131524185@den>


Hello List,

I have a very nice slice of Admire for sale, only $7.00 per gram

A picture of the slice is shown here
http://www.meteorman.org/Admire_105.5g.htm



Thanks,
Tim Heitz

MIDWEST METEORITES - http://www.meteorman.org


From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 29 22:44:14 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:44:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutron production in hypervelocity impacts - was
	Odessa date
Message-ID: <259500.30661.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Chris- 

"The C14 calibration data only goes back 24,000 years,"

Try 50,000 years - INCAL98. 

"and there have been no confirmed significant impacts during that time,"

Barringer?

"and not even any well dated minor impacts. So how can spikes in the calibration curve be linked to impacts?"

Actually, take a look at the INTCAL98 chart running back 50,000 YEARS. Note the spike and then the bump at 10,900 BCE. This is what is started driving Firestone - he saw a supernova at first, then a supernova injecting comets.

"Even given a large impact (a big given)"

Take a look at Barringer, and look at what has been found at Sheriden Cave, and by the way note the First Peoples' accounts of these multiple large comet fragment impacts at:
http://forum.palanth.com/index.php/topic,1093.0.html

I suppose the denial will go on for years, even after the AGU discussion/debates coming up soon.

"there are plausible explanations for how this would affect C14 concentrations; far more plausible than the very unlikely production of neutrons."

Yes, I know the releases energies are very high, and yes, there are multiple explanations, - sun, magnetosphere, supernova, etc. It will fall to those with more intelligence than I myself have left to sort it all out 

But plese note that the one spike that got to me was the spike roughly at the time of the Barringer Crater impact. Firestone is proposing multiple supenovas, from what is being sent around, but it sure looks to me like the energies in large hypervelocity impacts are indeed freeing neutrons.

In the meantime, OSL dating for Odessa will be an open question for me. 

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
(a pretty good book despite its flaws - write me off list for the meteorite list special.)

PS - I have been wrong in the past, and reserve the right to be wrong both now and in the future.



      


From rocksfromspace at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 29 23:27:44 2009
From: rocksfromspace at yahoo.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:27:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 30,
	2009
Message-ID: <317303.17004.qm@web113011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_30_2009.html



      



From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Thu Oct 29 23:38:05 2009
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:38:05 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutron production in hypervelocity impacts -
	wasOdessa date
References: <259500.30661.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1C495F147AAF455BAF85674DD794B7B2@bellatrix>

INTCAL98 defines the C14 calibration back 26,000 years. There have been 
subsequent calibrations using deposits in caves that push things back to 
about 45,000 years, with somewhat less accuracy, and these aren't normally 
used in standard C14 dating. What curve are you looking at that goes back 
50,000 years?

But it doesn't really matter. The problem is there is no way to connect 
changes in C14 levels with any kind of impact events. Barringer is not very 
accurately dated, and there was enough other stuff going on around the 
Younger Dryas to cause changes without invoking an impact. Note that I'm not 
saying here whether one or more impacts did or didn't occur over the C14 
data record, only that there is no solid, datable evidence that can be 
matched to that record. Given all the possible things that can affect C14 
production (and especially C14 uptake), it is almost impossible to use the 
record to demonstrate anything.

IMO Barringer is a horrible example in any case, if you believe that 
neutrons are produced. For such a small impact to actually produce enough 
neutrons to significantly affect the worldwide C14 levels would also result 
in very obvious radioisotope anomalies in the surviving iron meteorite 
samples, give iron's high neutron absorption cross section. You'd be better 
off trying to sell this theory with a collision with a comet or other stony 
body than an iron.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:44 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutron production in hypervelocity impacts - 
wasOdessa date


> Hi Chris-
>
> "The C14 calibration data only goes back 24,000 years,"
>
> Try 50,000 years - INCAL98.
>
> "and there have been no confirmed significant impacts during that time,"
>
> Barringer?
>
> "and not even any well dated minor impacts. So how can spikes in the 
> calibration curve be linked to impacts?"
>
> Actually, take a look at the INTCAL98 chart running back 50,000 YEARS. 
> Note the spike and then the bump at 10,900 BCE. This is what is started 
> driving Firestone - he saw a supernova at first, then a supernova 
> injecting comets.
>
> "Even given a large impact (a big given)"
>
> Take a look at Barringer, and look at what has been found at Sheriden 
> Cave, and by the way note the First Peoples' accounts of these multiple 
> large comet fragment impacts at:
> http://forum.palanth.com/index.php/topic,1093.0.html
>
> I suppose the denial will go on for years, even after the AGU 
> discussion/debates coming up soon.
>
> "there are plausible explanations for how this would affect C14 
> concentrations; far more plausible than the very unlikely production of 
> neutrons."
>
> Yes, I know the releases energies are very high, and yes, there are 
> multiple explanations, - sun, magnetosphere, supernova, etc. It will fall 
> to those with more intelligence than I myself have left to sort it all out
>
> But plese note that the one spike that got to me was the spike roughly at 
> the time of the Barringer Crater impact. Firestone is proposing multiple 
> supenovas, from what is being sent around, but it sure looks to me like 
> the energies in large hypervelocity impacts are indeed freeing neutrons.
>
> In the meantime, OSL dating for Odessa will be an open question for me.
>
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
> (a pretty good book despite its flaws - write me off list for the 
> meteorite list special.)
>
> PS - I have been wrong in the past, and reserve the right to be wrong both 
> now and in the future.



From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 29 23:42:54 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:42:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutron freeing in large hypervelocity impacts
Message-ID: <561849.73059.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Rob - 

Yes, I have read through all that before, but the spike that gets to me is that huge spike in the INTCAL98 data right around the time of the Barringer impact. 

I don't think the neutron release is related to what hits, or what is hit, but rather just the total impact energy. I wonder what the big ones like Chicxulub or Shiva or Zamanshin will show. If part of the impact energy in the form of infra-red is concentrated in a small enough region, then releases could occur. 

Take the IR measured from Tunguska for example, then scale massively and localize to points. Do we hit freeing energies?

Speaking of Beryllium, the protons released at the same time as the neutrons should be causing spikes in 10Be as well.

In closing, I have been wrong before, and reserve the right to be wrong both now and in the future.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
( a damn fine book, really, despite all its flaws)

"Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Odessa

E.P. wrote:

> Take a look at the INTCAL98 14C calibration chart. Major spikes appear
> to map to impacts.

"Spikes" in the C14 calibration chart can be caused by a number of
factors (including measurement uncertainty/error). But the main cause of
variability in the production rate of atmospheric C14 is simply variation in the flux of cosmic rays. Cosmic ray intensity is modulated by both the strength of the earth's magnetosphere and the sun's solar wind, neither of which is constant.

"From the other side of the equation, atmospheric C12 is ALSO modulated
by earthly processes (e.g. volcanic eruptions, ocean temperature
changes)which can produce regional anomalies in the samples used to build the radiocarbon calibration curves.

"There is no evidence that large impacts can cause nuclear reactions that
release neutrons. There isn't sufficient energy or fissionable material,
so I have difficulty coming up with a mechanism which could cause a
large spike in neutrons. I suppose if an impactor had an anomolously
high beryllium content and it happened to hit an earth location with rich
uranium deposits, then you could get a small neutron hiccup. But
siderites are very low in berrylium (< 10 parts per billion), so that's a no-go on Odessa. Even chondrites typically have only a few hundred parts per billion.

--Rob




      


From axelsson at acc.umu.se  Fri Oct 30 01:17:48 2009
From: axelsson at acc.umu.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Axelsson?=)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:17:48 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutron freeing in large hypervelocity impacts
In-Reply-To: <561849.73059.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <561849.73059.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AEA76FC.2070102@acc.umu.se>

I have tried to find any sources of the calibrating curve but I always 
ends up on a publication server that tells me I have to pay to read the 
article.
As you seems to have found it, could you tell me where to find it or 
show us the curve and dataset?

The closest thing I found was this quote on 
http://scienceweek.com/2005/sc050218-2.htm
"4) Despite these efforts, it remains difficult to calibrate periods 
older than 22,000 14C years B.P., because residual concentrations of 14C 
in such samples are extremely low (a few percent of the concentration 
found in modern samples). In addition, old samples have often been 
altered by geochemical processes. In particular, most corals that grew 
before the sea-level minimum at 21,000 calendar years B.P. suffered 
intense meteoric alteration, precluding their use for 14C calibration. 
The only two published reconstructions with satisfactory analytical 
precision and low overall data scatter are the Lake Suigetsu record 
(4,5) and the Bahamian speleothem (speleothems are cave carbonates such 
as stalagmites and flowstones). However, these two records strongly 
disagree. Hence, at least one of them provides an inaccurate picture of 
the true calibration curve."

Which of the curves do you base your theory on?

How can you trust the dating of the Barringer crater (which seems to be 
quite inaccurate) when you think that the dating of the much smaller 
Odessa crater is so wrong?

Describe how infra red (long wave heat radiation) could lead to proton 
release and how it could be "concentrated in a small enough region".

In which way would protons released create a spike in 10Be?

You have reserved the right of being wrong and I think you are. Whenever 
some data doesn't match your theories you try to come up with an 
imaginary process that in a magical way will make it fit.
Excuse me for being blunt, but I always try to combat junk science and I 
think this is junk science without even an attempt of a proof.

But even I reserve the right of being wrong...

:-)

/G?ran

E.P. Grondine wrote:
> Hi Rob - 
>
> Yes, I have read through all that before, but the spike that gets to me is that huge spike in the INTCAL98 data right around the time of the Barringer impact. 
>
> I don't think the neutron release is related to what hits, or what is hit, but rather just the total impact energy. I wonder what the big ones like Chicxulub or Shiva or Zamanshin will show. If part of the impact energy in the form of infra-red is concentrated in a small enough region, then releases could occur. 
>
> Take the IR measured from Tunguska for example, then scale massively and localize to points. Do we hit freeing energies?
>
> Speaking of Beryllium, the protons released at the same time as the neutrons should be causing spikes in 10Be as well.
>
> In closing, I have been wrong before, and reserve the right to be wrong both now and in the future.
>
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
> ( a damn fine book, really, despite all its flaws)
>
> "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Odessa
>
> E.P. wrote:
>
>   
>> Take a look at the INTCAL98 14C calibration chart. Major spikes appear
>> to map to impacts.
>>     
>
> "Spikes" in the C14 calibration chart can be caused by a number of
> factors (including measurement uncertainty/error). But the main cause of
> variability in the production rate of atmospheric C14 is simply variation in the flux of cosmic rays. Cosmic ray intensity is modulated by both the strength of the earth's magnetosphere and the sun's solar wind, neither of which is constant.
>
> "From the other side of the equation, atmospheric C12 is ALSO modulated
> by earthly processes (e.g. volcanic eruptions, ocean temperature
> changes)which can produce regional anomalies in the samples used to build the radiocarbon calibration curves.
>
> "There is no evidence that large impacts can cause nuclear reactions that
> release neutrons. There isn't sufficient energy or fissionable material,
> so I have difficulty coming up with a mechanism which could cause a
> large spike in neutrons. I suppose if an impactor had an anomolously
> high beryllium content and it happened to hit an earth location with rich
> uranium deposits, then you could get a small neutron hiccup. But
> siderites are very low in berrylium (< 10 parts per billion), so that's a no-go on Odessa. Even chondrites typically have only a few hundred parts per billion.
>
> --Rob
>
>
>
>
>       
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
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From minador at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 30 01:33:50 2009
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:33:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
In-Reply-To: <4AEA2D73.6040803@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <924357.71662.qm@web54402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Eric,

I would really be interested in reading it.  Be sure to include some safety guidelines.  Today I just read about a guy who messed up his health bigtime doing some welding work.  Just one whiff of some minor looking fumes.  I don't have the article to pass along right now - it's at work.  I know people who handle acids and they say ferric is one of the nastiest they use, but maybe it's a lot more concentrated than what McCartney is talking about though.

I'd hate to see someone get hurt by because they don't realize the hazards.  So I'd recommend everybody familiarize themselves with the MSDS before handling anything like that.  It's a little tough in an emergency trying to figure out what to do...

Happy etching,
Mark
Vail, AZ

--- On Thu, 10/29/09, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:

> From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via ferric choride
> To: "R N Hartman" <rhartman04 at earthlink.net>
> Cc: mccartney at blackbearddata.com, "MeteoriteList" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 5:04 PM
> Hi McCartney, Ron, Listees,
> 
> This might actually be a good topic for an article on the
> new Meteorite Wiki. Perhaps an experienced and generous
> person would be willing to extend the time to write an
> extensive and detailed article on it including information
> on preservation and stabilization. I'm sure others would
> love to learn the process. I would be will to add a few of
> my photos to the document and release them into the public
> domain for all use. What do you think?
> 
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> R N Hartman wrote:
> > Hello McCartney (and all):
> > 
> > Yes,? the etch happens very quickly and you need
> to terminate it by a quick wash under running water.?
> Follow with a rinse in distilled water if you want to but we
> never do and it works fine.? You don;t have to
> neutralize it, just wash it off VERY FAST.? In fact, I
> use running water to slow down the process as I am doing it,
> especially if I need to etch one section of a surface more.
> There is a bit of a technique - just practice and you will
> do well.? If yo are getting staining your washing is
> incomplete.
> > 
> > Ron Hartman
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "McCartney Taylor"
> <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>
> > To: "MeteoriteList" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:58 PM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Issue with etching via
> ferric choride
> > 
> > 
> >> Having a bit of a problem on some etch jobs and
> having to re-etch a few
> >> specimens.
> >> 
> >> How do you rinse/neutralize your ferric after the
> etch?? I'm getting
> >> remnant staining and sometimes corrosion. I'm
> doing something wrong.
> >> 
> >> Any ideas?
> >> 
> >> -mt
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 30 01:51:00 2009
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:51:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutron freeing in large hypervelocity impacts
References: <561849.73059.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0D5CC882CB7346DB9B61C8DFC1CA5903@ATARIENGINE2>

E.P., Chris, Rob, List,

The problem is neutrons. "Difficulty coming up
with a mechanism which could cause a large
spike in neutrons," said Rob.

Neutrons, "free" neutrons that is, are produced
two ways. First, the nucleus of an atom can decide
to kick out a neutron and change its image (and
isotope). The energy of the evicted neutron varies
from one radioactive decay to another.

Some neutrons are released with a lot of energy;
others stroll along, obstructing joggers. If you think
I'm being whimsical, it's true. A so-called "thermal"
neutron moves about the speed of an old man in
carpet slippers.

But neutrons produced by neutron decay are
immune to the events of the world outside the
nucleus, so impact has nothing to do with them.

The other way of producing neutrons is called the
"spallation" method. Namely, whack an atom with
something, anything, real hard and knock a neutron
loose. Now, that sounds more like "impact," doesn't it?

A neutron can be "spalled off" by almost any particle
with enough energy to do the job. You can use electrons,
protons, muons, photons -- it really doesn't matter what
the hammer is made of, only how hard you whack the
nucleus.

So, the question of an impact (or an impactor) creating
neutrons (which will affect terrestrial isotope levels like
14C and 10Be) depends on mechanisms that can produce
energetic particles and are a product of  the physical event
of the impact (and impactor).

Why do I keep throwing the impactor in there? Well,
think about a BIG object entering the atmosphere at
cosmic velocities (instead of a lousy 10-meter rock).
Say, a kilometer sphere of something (anything). The
leading area of that sphere has 31,415,926,536 square
centimeters and each and every square centimeter is
enveloped by a plasma that (unlike the re-entry plasma
of a small rock) can approach, achieve, or may exceed
50,000 degrees K.

At that temperature, a fair percentage of the plasma energy
is being emitted as X-rays. For about a meter "ahead" of
that plasma, the atmosphere is subject to x-ray photon
energies quite high enough to spall neutrons out of the
nuclei of atmospheric gasses and cause a cascade of nuclear
reactions and transmogrifications. (Even 20,000 or 30,000
degrees K is enough; anything over 15,000 K. will do.)

Small rocks never create that kind of heat, even at 40 km/s,
but a one kilometer object is essentially irresistible. Its
velocity is undiminished by the so-called "resistance" of the
atmosphere. Not only can the billions of quadrillions of air
molecules NOT get out of the way of that big s.o.b., their
frantic and chaotic attempt to wiggle free is exactly what
generates that high temperature plasma.

Now, if I wanted to spend all night curled up with a
calculator converting degrees K. to EV, estimating and
re-estimating x-ray production, I could -- nah, I couldn't.
Isn't what computers are for? Actually, Boslough's model
on the computers at Sandia predicts these high-temperature
plasmas, but I don't know if he calculated x-ray production
or its effect on the atmosphere or not... He calculated these
high-temperature plasmas in a small (34 meter) body, so
what would a 1000-meter body do? Considerably more...
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc1996/pdf/1068.pdf
"INTERACTING ATMOSPHERIC PLUMES FROM BOLIDE
SWARMS; M.B. Boslough and D.A. Crawford, Sandia National
Laboratories, Albuquerque, NM 87 185-0820"

Actually, a one-kilometer body would likely produce
a substantial isotopic productive effect if it merely
GRAZED the atmosphere good and deep. The final
impact also produces such plasmas but they are,
well, "quenched" by all the matter that envelopes
them and the temperatures thermalize downward
rapidly. It's possible that more isotope production
comes from the "entry" than the impact.

People suggested increases in carbon and beryllium
isotopes; my guess would be carbon isotopes (present in
the atmosphere) and not beryllium (not atmospheric).
We have nitrogen, oxygen, argon, carbon available in
the atmosphere (in decreasing order). Finding traces
of the decays is the problem. Carbon is only useful
because living things "fix" samples of carbon isotopes.

As for the continual variations in the carbon record,
we are only estimating which sources of variation in
radiocarbon isotopes account for which variations in
the record. If we are excluding a potential source
from consideration, naturally enough, it does not
"show up" in the record!

Whether it is possible to "filter out" abrupt events
and demonstrate this thesis of impacts producing
radiocarbon spikes, I cannot say. Willard Libby thought
he detected a "spike" from Tunguska, but his long-ago
analyis has been disputed (like everything else about
Tunguska).



Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:42 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutron freeing in large hypervelocity impacts


> Hi Rob -
>
> Yes, I have read through all that before, but the spike that gets to 
> me is that huge spike in the INTCAL98 data right around the time of 
> the Barringer impact.
>
> I don't think the neutron release is related to what hits, or what is 
> hit, but rather just the total impact energy. I wonder what the big 
> ones like Chicxulub or Shiva or Zamanshin will show. If part of the 
> impact energy in the form of infra-red is concentrated in a small 
> enough region, then releases could occur.
>
> Take the IR measured from Tunguska for example, then scale massively 
> and localize to points. Do we hit freeing energies?
>
> Speaking of Beryllium, the protons released at the same time as the 
> neutrons should be causing spikes in 10Be as well.
>
> In closing, I have been wrong before, and reserve the right to be 
> wrong both now and in the future.
>
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
> ( a damn fine book, really, despite all its flaws)
>
> "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Odessa
>
> E.P. wrote:
>
>> Take a look at the INTCAL98 14C calibration chart. Major spikes 
>> appear
>> to map to impacts.
>
> "Spikes" in the C14 calibration chart can be caused by a number of
> factors (including measurement uncertainty/error). But the main cause 
> of
> variability in the production rate of atmospheric C14 is simply 
> variation in the flux of cosmic rays. Cosmic ray intensity is 
> modulated by both the strength of the earth's magnetosphere and the 
> sun's solar wind, neither of which is constant.
>
> "From the other side of the equation, atmospheric C12 is ALSO 
> modulated
> by earthly processes (e.g. volcanic eruptions, ocean temperature
> changes)which can produce regional anomalies in the samples used to 
> build the radiocarbon calibration curves.
>
> "There is no evidence that large impacts can cause nuclear reactions 
> that
> release neutrons. There isn't sufficient energy or fissionable 
> material,
> so I have difficulty coming up with a mechanism which could cause a
> large spike in neutrons. I suppose if an impactor had an anomolously
> high beryllium content and it happened to hit an earth location with 
> rich
> uranium deposits, then you could get a small neutron hiccup. But
> siderites are very low in berrylium (< 10 parts per billion), so 
> that's a no-go on Odessa. Even chondrites typically have only a few 
> hundred parts per billion.
>
> --Rob
>
>
>
>
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Fri Oct 30 05:13:33 2009
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:13:33 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutron freeing in large hypervelocity impacts
In-Reply-To: <4AEA76FC.2070102@acc.umu.se>
References: <561849.73059.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4AEA76FC.2070102@acc.umu.se>
Message-ID: <8CC275863C223DD-4FA4-34AF@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com>

"Excuse me for being blunt, but I always try to combat junk science and 
I think this is junk science without even an attempt of a proof."

Hello G?ran, Chris, Rob, Ed,

I don't think Ed has ever claimed to be a scientist so I am not sure it 
is fair to judge his statements (or book) on scientific merit. My first 
physics teacher drubbed us dreamy adolescents saying the scientific 
method is a universal process, and not a conjecture (such as Ed's of 
Carbon 14 graph shapes).

Like Intelligent design, it is one of those things with the misnomer of 
"science", that ultimately relies on a critical link that is a leap of 
faith. There is nothing morally wrong with this - as long as no one in 
the party tries to pass cats for hares (dar gato por liebre - how to 
say in English?) it all promotes interesting conversation from many 
points of view when administered in moderation.

For those Carl Sagan (who would be 75 years old in ten days) groupies, 
one might argue that a skeptic can only consider the 14C stuff (and 
Ed's book) science if Ed:

- Spins more than one hypothesis - doesn't simply run with the first 
idea that caught his fancy.
- Tries not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it's 
his.
- Quantifies, wherever possible.
- Is sure every link in the chain of his arguments works.

So no need to label it as "junk science". Ed is a brilliant and 
creative muckraker intent on giving scientists a run for their money. 
Before assuming any of the remarkable conjectures are the result of 
scientific deduction ... let me quote from the forward where he 
discusses the motivation for writing his Book, "Man and Impact in the 
Americas", and you can be the judge if some of the skeptic's guidelines 
register:

"... suffice it to say that at the time I was stunned by the rejection. 
This first rejection was followed by multiple succeeding rejections ... 
with words such as "absurd". But I was certain, da*n it, that there 
were ancient writings that described these hits[impacts] ..."

I don't want to spoil the fun nor quote more than my fair use, or get 
too blasted for taking anything out of context, so you can read more of 
this exciting stuff in "Man and Impact in the Americas". It is a great 
companion around the campfire when the coyotes are howling (a moment of 
silence for sweet Taylor Mitchell, please) although a Kiowa Indian's 
novel, "House Made of Dawn" would be my first choice ;-) .
http://www.naturesongs.com/coyote2.wav
http://browseinside.harpercollins.com/index.aspx?isbn13=9780060931940

Best wishes
Doug





-----Original Message-----
From: G?ran Axelsson <axelsson at acc.umu.se>
To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 11:17 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Neutron freeing in large hypervelocity 
impacts


I have tried to find any sources of the calibrating curve but I always 
ends up on a publication server that tells me I have to pay to read the 
article.?
As you seems to have found it, could you tell me where to find it or 
show us the curve and dataset??
?
The closest thing I found was this quote on 
http://scienceweek.com/2005/sc050218-2.htm?
"4) Despite these efforts, it remains difficult to calibrate periods 
older than 22,000 14C years B.P., because residual concentrations of 
14C in such samples are extremely low (a few percent of the 
concentration found in modern samples). In addition, old samples have 
often been altered by geochemical processes. In particular, most corals 
that grew before the sea-level minimum at 21,000 calendar years B.P. 
suffered intense meteoric alteration, precluding their use for 14C 
calibration. The only two published reconstructions with satisfactory 
analytical precision and low overall data scatter are the Lake Suigetsu 
record (4,5) and the Bahamian speleothem (speleothems are cave 
carbonates such as stalagmites and flowstones). However, these two 
records strongly disagree. Hence, at least one of them provides an 
inaccurate picture of the true calibration curve."?
?
Which of the curves do you base your theory on??
?
How can you trust the dating of the Barringer crater (which seems to be 
quite inaccurate) when you think that the dating of the much smaller 
Odessa crater is so wrong??
?
Describe how infra red (long wave heat radiation) could lead to proton 
release and how it could be "concentrated in a small enough region".?
?
In which way would protons released create a spike in 10Be??
?
You have reserved the right of being wrong and I think you are. 
Whenever some data doesn't match your theories you try to come up with 
an imaginary process that in a magical way will make it fit.?
Excuse me for being blunt, but I always try to combat junk science and 
I think this is junk science without even an attempt of a proof.?
?
But even I reserve the right of being wrong...?
?
:-)?
?
/G?ran?
?
E.P. Grondine wrote:?
> Hi Rob - >?
> Yes, I have read through all that before, but the spike that gets to 
me is that huge spike in the INTCAL98 data right around the time of the 
Barringer impact. >?
> I don't think the neutron release is related to what hits, or what is 
hit, but rather just the total impact energy. I wonder what the big 
ones like Chicxulub or Shiva or Zamanshin will show. If part of the 
impact energy in the form of infra-red is concentrated in a small 
enough region, then releases could occur. >?
> Take the IR measured from Tunguska for example, then scale massively 
and localize to points. Do we hit freeing energies??
>?
> Speaking of Beryllium, the protons released at the same time as the 
neutrons should be causing spikes in 10Be as well.?
>?
> In closing, I have been wrong before, and reserve the right to be 
wrong both now and in the future.?
>?
> E.P. Grondine?
> Man and Impact in the Americas?
> ( a damn fine book, really, despite all its flaws)?
>?
> "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>?
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Odessa?
>?
> E.P. wrote:?
>?
> >> Take a look at the INTCAL98 14C calibration chart. Major spikes 
appear?
>> to map to impacts.?
>> >?
> "Spikes" in the C14 calibration chart can be caused by a number of?
> factors (including measurement uncertainty/error). But the main cause 
of?
> variability in the production rate of atmospheric C14 is simply 
variation in the flux of cosmic rays. Cosmic ray intensity is modulated 
by both the strength of the earth's magnetosphere and the sun's solar 
wind, neither of which is constant.?
>?
> "From the other side of the equation, atmospheric C12 is ALSO 
modulated?
> by earthly processes (e.g. volcanic eruptions, ocean temperature?
> changes)which can produce regional anomalies in the samples used to 
build the radiocarbon calibration curves.?
>?
> "There is no evidence that large impacts can cause nuclear reactions 
that?
> release neutrons. There isn't sufficient energy or fissionable 
material,?
> so I have difficulty coming up with a mechanism which could cause a?
> large spike in neutrons. I suppose if an impactor had an anomolously?
> high beryllium content and it happened to hit an earth location with 
rich?
> uranium deposits, then you could get a small neutron hiccup. But?
> siderites are very low in berrylium (< 10 parts per billion), so 
that's a no-go on Odessa. Even chondrites typically have only a few 
hundred parts per billion.?
>?
> --Rob?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> > ______________________________________________?
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com?
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> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com?
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list?
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 30 09:07:59 2009
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:07:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] VERY RARE HAMMER
Message-ID: <828375.44790.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Fri Oct 30 10:36:26 2009
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:36:26 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutron freeing in large hypervelocity impacts
References: <561849.73059.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<0D5CC882CB7346DB9B61C8DFC1CA5903@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <55948835F0564A4981286C3CA960A104@bellatrix>

It is, I think, very obvious to anybody with a reasonable understanding of 
physics that we lack a good mechanism to explain how an impact- especially a 
small one- can produce a lot of neutrons. There are, of course, possible 
(but untested) suggestions, so I'm willing to allow for the small 
possibility.

The point of my argument was not based on whether such a mechanism exists, 
however, but on whether you can use the C14 calibration record to test this. 
There are two very serious problems in doing this. The first is that we 
don't actually have any well dated significant impacts to compare with the 
dates in the C14 record. The second is that we have a cause-and-effect 
issue: any impact large enough to produce enough neutrons (by whatever 
hypothetical mechanism) to affect the global C14 levels is also big enough 
to tweak the climate, which will also affect global C14 levels. So there's 
really no way to tell if an impact associated spike or dip in the C14 record 
is caused by neutrons or by some other effect.

The only way I can think of to test the neutron hypothesis would be to 
actually go out and look for isotopic anomalies in meteorite and geological 
samples. The C14 calibration record just isn't going to cut it.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
To: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Neutron freeing in large hypervelocity impacts


> E.P., Chris, Rob, List,
>
> The problem is neutrons. "Difficulty coming up
> with a mechanism which could cause a large
> spike in neutrons," said Rob.
>
> Neutrons, "free" neutrons that is, are produced
> two ways. First, the nucleus of an atom can decide
> to kick out a neutron and change its image (and
> isotope). The energy of the evicted neutron varies
> from one radioactive decay to another.
>
> Some neutrons are released with a lot of energy;
> others stroll along, obstructing joggers. If you think
> I'm being whimsical, it's true. A so-called "thermal"
> neutron moves about the speed of an old man in
> carpet slippers.
>
> But neutrons produced by neutron decay are
> immune to the events of the world outside the
> nucleus, so impact has nothing to do with them.
>
> The other way of producing neutrons is called the
> "spallation" method. Namely, whack an atom with
> something, anything, real hard and knock a neutron
> loose. Now, that sounds more like "impact," doesn't it?
>
> A neutron can be "spalled off" by almost any particle
> with enough energy to do the job. You can use electrons,
> protons, muons, photons -- it really doesn't matter what
> the hammer is made of, only how hard you whack the
> nucleus.
>
> So, the question of an impact (or an impactor) creating
> neutrons (which will affect terrestrial isotope levels like
> 14C and 10Be) depends on mechanisms that can produce
> energetic particles and are a product of  the physical event
> of the impact (and impactor).
>
> Why do I keep throwing the impactor in there? Well,
> think about a BIG object entering the atmosphere at
> cosmic velocities (instead of a lousy 10-meter rock).
> Say, a kilometer sphere of something (anything). The
> leading area of that sphere has 31,415,926,536 square
> centimeters and each and every square centimeter is
> enveloped by a plasma that (unlike the re-entry plasma
> of a small rock) can approach, achieve, or may exceed
> 50,000 degrees K.
>
> At that temperature, a fair percentage of the plasma energy
> is being emitted as X-rays. For about a meter "ahead" of
> that plasma, the atmosphere is subject to x-ray photon
> energies quite high enough to spall neutrons out of the
> nuclei of atmospheric gasses and cause a cascade of nuclear
> reactions and transmogrifications. (Even 20,000 or 30,000
> degrees K is enough; anything over 15,000 K. will do.)
>
> Small rocks never create that kind of heat, even at 40 km/s,
> but a one kilometer object is essentially irresistible. Its
> velocity is undiminished by the so-called "resistance" of the
> atmosphere. Not only can the billions of quadrillions of air
> molecules NOT get out of the way of that big s.o.b., their
> frantic and chaotic attempt to wiggle free is exactly what
> generates that high temperature plasma.
>
> Now, if I wanted to spend all night curled up with a
> calculator converting degrees K. to EV, estimating and
> re-estimating x-ray production, I could -- nah, I couldn't.
> Isn't what computers are for? Actually, Boslough's model
> on the computers at Sandia predicts these high-temperature
> plasmas, but I don't know if he calculated x-ray production
> or its effect on the atmosphere or not... He calculated these
> high-temperature plasmas in a small (34 meter) body, so
> what would a 1000-meter body do? Considerably more...
> http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc1996/pdf/1068.pdf
> "INTERACTING ATMOSPHERIC PLUMES FROM BOLIDE
> SWARMS; M.B. Boslough and D.A. Crawford, Sandia National
> Laboratories, Albuquerque, NM 87 185-0820"
>
> Actually, a one-kilometer body would likely produce
> a substantial isotopic productive effect if it merely
> GRAZED the atmosphere good and deep. The final
> impact also produces such plasmas but they are,
> well, "quenched" by all the matter that envelopes
> them and the temperatures thermalize downward
> rapidly. It's possible that more isotope production
> comes from the "entry" than the impact.
>
> People suggested increases in carbon and beryllium
> isotopes; my guess would be carbon isotopes (present in
> the atmosphere) and not beryllium (not atmospheric).
> We have nitrogen, oxygen, argon, carbon available in
> the atmosphere (in decreasing order). Finding traces
> of the decays is the problem. Carbon is only useful
> because living things "fix" samples of carbon isotopes.
>
> As for the continual variations in the carbon record,
> we are only estimating which sources of variation in
> radiocarbon isotopes account for which variations in
> the record. If we are excluding a potential source
> from consideration, naturally enough, it does not
> "show up" in the record!
>
> Whether it is possible to "filter out" abrupt events
> and demonstrate this thesis of impacts producing
> radiocarbon spikes, I cannot say. Willard Libby thought
> he detected a "spike" from Tunguska, but his long-ago
> analyis has been disputed (like everything else about
> Tunguska).
>
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb



From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 30 11:28:58 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:28:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutron spallation in hyper-velocity impacts,
	OSL Odessa date
Message-ID: <193643.58256.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Sterling, all - 

"The final impact also produces such plasmas but they are, well, "quenched" by all the matter that envelopes them and the temperatures thermalize downward rapidly." But with large enough impacts, is there really enough quenching matter available? In other words, the plasmas are not able to quench the plasmas, at least locally. 

So until computer runs are made, I would still leave the OSL dates for Odessa open. My guess is that they may be a bit on the high side (too old). Perhaps lab analysis of samples from other large impact craters, and more computer runs, will show a pattern. 

Until those computer runs are made, that spike in the INTCAL98 chart near to the time of the Barringer impact still looks remarkable.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      


From tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com  Fri Oct 30 11:47:29 2009
From: tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com (Tom Randall (KB2SMS))
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:47:29 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
Message-ID: <2D028E25-6869-4F27-B2C3-3E8C9BA96AFB@hvc.rr.com>


   Dave/list,
      I've always kept good track of my meager collection. I keep a  
book with all the size, weight, type, dealer purchased from, date  
bought data, etc. in it. Most of them I have photographed but not all  
as of yet.

It's all part of the fun of collecting these extraterrestrial visitors!

Tom

http://home.roadrunner.com/~kb2sms/


From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 30 11:54:20 2009
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hypervelocity impacts and neutron spallation
Message-ID: <624496.67388.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Sterling, Rob, Chris, all - 

Even Tunguska (now estimated at somewhere between 5 to 15 megatons) threw off enough high energy (infra-red) photons to set the trees on fire for miles around. Now some of those photons would not have been directed outward, but instead have hit other nearby atoms already at high energy states from being hit previously with other high energy photons. 

If enough energy accumulated, then perhaps when some of the photons were finally thrown off, they were at a high enough energy level that neutron spallation occurred. 

This would all be blue sky, but for those 14C spikes... Chris, I think I got the copy of the INTCAL98 chart from one of Firestone's papers. Stuiver and Volcker (working with Iceland marine data) were cited as the data sources. Firestone did not create the INTCAL98 chart. The bumps around 10,900 BCE were what set Firestone off on his search to find their source, which led him at first to a nearby supernova and finally to impact.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas










      


From fujmon at mac.com  Fri Oct 30 12:01:27 2009
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:01:27 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-ebay Spooktacular Sale
Message-ID: <AEFB30FA-2445-497C-9EAB-3B40C91D0B3D@mac.com>

In the midst of a scary economy, fraught with frightful fiscal  
forecasts, I'd like to close out the month of October with some  
Spooktacular deals on meteorites on ebay.   Auctions end tomorrow,  
Saturday Rocktober 31, starting at 9:30 AM Pacific / 12:30 PM  
Eastern / 4:30 PM London.  Before you go out Trick-or-Treating  
tomorrow night, check out my lineup for this week's offerings:

NWA x 36.01g, aesthetic shape, dark remnant crust - 99? bid
NWA x 300g, large sculpted individual - current bid: 13?/g
NWA 869 L4-6  10.68g, thumbprinted beauty - 99? bid
NWA 869 L4-6  68.87g lot of 14 ind - current bid: $26
Bassikounou H5  6.07g, Perfect specimen - current bid: $7.51
Chergach H5  15.89g, 95% FC - current bid: $21.50
Allende CV3.2  9.70g, FRESH FC - current bid: $9/g
NWA x CV3  36.30g, unique shape, no cracks
Camel Donga Euc  2.45g, flowlined pea - opening bid: $34
Millbillillie Euc  60.80g, large flowlines - opening bid: $7/g
Sulagiri LL6  3.67g, crusted partslice - bid: $10.50
Sikhote Alin IIAB, 16.4g oriented delta wing - bid: $6.66
Olivine Bomb 54.9g split & polished half stones - bid: $9.99

http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html

Preview of Nov 7 auction: NWA x 11.33g, NWA x 87g low-metal, NWA x  
17.21g oriented, another perfect Bassi 5.12g, Chergach 9.43g oriented  
99% FC, Allende 2.99g, NWA x CV3 63.45g, Camel Donga 6.04g,  
Millbillillie 4.05g, Sulagiri 3.74g crusted partslice, and yet another  
Mantle Xenolith!

Trust the Big Kahuna to provide the highest quality meteorites for the  
lowest prices!

Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fujmon at mac.com
http://astroday.net



From pshugar at clearwire.net  Fri Oct 30 12:19:30 2009
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:19:30 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Earth giving birth to moon
Message-ID: <BA13FFE5373E4EC4AB524DA7DED27765@laptop>

If I have the correct read on the hypothetical----
the moon would be only 200 ky old?
Is this enough time for tidal action to 
bring the moon's rotation to a standstill?
Just thinking...................
Pete IMCA 1733



From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Fri Oct 30 12:59:30 2009
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:59:30 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Big Sale, New Specimens, Rare Irons,
	Rare Books
Message-ID: <4129B1AF4150433A830355EC7E0DC81F@Bandli1>

Hello List,

I have quite a bit going on this weekend:

http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html

1. Sale: prices reduced on select specimens (marked in green).

2. New specimens and rare irons: 

- An uber-rare end-cut of the Oregonian meteorite Sam?s Valley originating
from the Rob Elliott Collection. 
- Djebel In-Azzene IIIAB Om Iron, a killer big slice with monster inclusion!
- Gundaring, a big slice of this rare Aussie iron.
- A 75 gram crusted hand-sample of the historic Bath, SD meteorite with
hand-painted numbers.
- Bensour, the most perfect little stone I have ever seen from this fall.
Contraction-cracks, roll-over rim, simply stunning.
- Be sure to join the pre-sale list for first shot at exclusive material.
Hint: I will be offering a VERY rare and historic US fall soon, which has
never been sold before!

3. eBay auctions:

http://shop.ebay.com/historicmeteorites/m.html

- Some rare publications including some nice NIPR Antarctic books. I will be
selling a large part of my library individually on eBay, all starting at 99
cents and no reserves, so keep it bookmarked and check it each week. 
- Two chondrule-laden slices and a cute UNWA.


Thanks for looking and have a great Halloween weekend!

-----------------------------------
Mike Bandli
Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA?#5765
-----------------------------------------------




From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Fri Oct 30 18:01:47 2009
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:01:47 EDT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Micrograph Art  (Terrestrial Basalt)
Message-ID: <bdd.5e65384d.381cbc4b@aol.com>

Hi List,  I took some shots of a Terrestrial Basalt that turn out  
beautiful.  It was of course, a stone in a NWA unclassified meteorite mix  that 
looked the part only better!

The thin section was in hand so I went  to work.  I think you will enjoy 
the images.  They are posted to my  Meteorite Micrograph Gallery.
 
http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/meteorites-feat_frame.htm   
 
Just select Terrestrial Basalt in the menu to the left.

Any  observations would be appreciated.

Tom Phillips
 


From Midwest at Meteorman.org  Fri Oct 30 19:58:56 2009
From: Midwest at Meteorman.org (Timothy  Heitz)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:58:56 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Admire pallasite slice for sale
References: <193643.58256.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BB4EA1E33CAC45CEBE2BD0A800E73327@den>

Hello List,

I'm posting this information only to help some hard working meteorite 
hunters fund their future meteorite hunts.

The material for sale does not belong to me.

I'm just very excited about finally seeing a great looking pallasite - 
(Admire), something I have never seen in the 13yrs I have been collecting.

I'm not spamming here, only stating what I feel are the facts.

Link to see a great slice of Admire for only $7.00 per gram
http://www.meteorman.org/Admire_105.5g.htm

Cheers,
Tim 



From mikewren at gilanet.com  Fri Oct 30 20:25:32 2009
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:25:32 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] BIG THANKS TO ALL>>>>
Message-ID: <A3CFEF8F-99D7-4435-8BAE-B808E10E7FFD@gilanet.com>

Hey,

Thanks to all who wished us well and for your thoughtful  
congratulations. Much appreciated.

and ...

Iris Joana Marie Cottingham  thanks you too!

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham


From dave at fallingrocks.com  Fri Oct 30 20:56:48 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:56:48 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
In-Reply-To: <A6D0B450AD084CDFB782498064DD40EE@D190TH71>
References: <8247DE0AF16D47C991D58AF2CE32A9F1@meteorroom><SNT102-W16FC0CC54D7B69BD7ED960A2B70@phx.gbl>
	<DAD7632469D4464AB97293AA9D226D1C@meteorroom>
	<A6D0B450AD084CDFB782498064DD40EE@D190TH71>
Message-ID: <E24C00FF4CBE4D368E5694DB76A36E1B@meteorroom>

Linton & All,

Thanks for reading the article, and I'm glad it may have inspired an idea or
two.  Thanks to the few dozen who sent very nice off list notes about the
article as well.  I'd say all of our collections are humble at the end of
the day, and that it's humbling for us to have them at all.

It's not often that repeatedly hearing things like "your article really
scared me" is a good thing, but it's great to see that some thinking may
have been provoked.  Simple stuff, but oh how often we let the simple stuff
fall right through the cracks of time ;-)

All the best,

Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Linton Rohr [mailto:lintonius at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:28 PM
To: dave at fallingrocks.com
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning

Dave,
I enjoyed reading your article again, despite having read it in Met Mag
already.
I'm in the midst of updating the "recent" acquisitions and sales in my
humble collection. I'm living on borrowed time already, as we all are
really, so it is important to me that my wife is left with more than a pile
of rocks to sort through. Your article gives me some ideas on how I can
improve my system. And don't worry, I'll enjoy life while doing so. ;^)
Thank you.
Linton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Gheesling" <dave at fallingrocks.com>
To: "'bill kies'" <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning


> Bill & All,
>
> A couple of notes have come in expressing trouble with the link, yours 
> being
> the second, so go to www.fallingrocks.com, hit Links & Resources on the 
> home
> page, then hit "Temporary Custodians" under the Media header.
>
> Interesting to see insight from you re: concern over negative things, but,
> to keep this positive, perhaps you might spend two minutes giving it a 
> read
> before posting said assumptions? I doubt the notion is one that might 
> drive
> readers to a monastery or Zoloft. Pretty simple stuff, and a real shame 
> when
> such an easy thing to do is overlooked until it is too late.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bill kies [mailto:parkforestmet at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:07 AM
> To: dave at fallingrocks.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
>
>
> Are we temporary custodians? That implies we owe the collective in a 
> Jungian
> way. If you consider all the negative things that could happen to our
> meteorites/belongings, you'll either become a monk or a nervous wreck.
>
> Everything should be recorded in case of an accident but life comes before
> the provenance of any collection. Time is so short for us.
>
> This comment is based on an assumption of what your article was about as 
> the
> link didn't work for me.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
>> From: dave at fallingrocks.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:19:01 -0400
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I recently wrote a brief article that Larry ran in the August 2009
>> issue of Meteorite Magazine entitled "Temporary Custodians," and the
>> response has been a bit surprising. Somewhere around a couple dozen
>> readers have taken the time to drop me an email saying things like
>> "thanks for the heads-up article...[it] made for uneasy reading."
>> Surely there are collectors on this list who do not yet subscribe to
>> Meteorite Magazine (and everyone on this list really should!), so,
>> given the topic, I'm posting a transcript below.
>>
>> The content is by no means comprehensive, but I'd really encourage
>> those of you with meteorite collections to give it a quick read. Most
>> of us have been guilty at one time or another -- or at all times -- of
>> leaving loose ends such as those described in the writing. Anyway, a
>> web version of it can be found here:
> http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm.
>>
>> Larry, I hope you don't mind my posting it here, and thank you again
>> for giving the topic coverage in Meteorite!
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Dave Gheesling
>> IMCA #5967
>> www.fallingrocks.com
> 




From dave at fallingrocks.com  Fri Oct 30 21:01:39 2009
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:01:39 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
In-Reply-To: <277782A7605A442C9314404248EBE83E@Bandli1>
References: <8247DE0AF16D47C991D58AF2CE32A9F1@meteorroom>
	<277782A7605A442C9314404248EBE83E@Bandli1>
Message-ID: <74255780E2DA4FBCB1728732DC9F6916@meteorroom>

Absolutely, Mike, and you do this better than anybody!  So...when are we
going to see H - Z lit up at www.historicmeteorites.com ?!
Cheers,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bandli [mailto:fuzzfoot at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:33 PM
To: dave at fallingrocks.com
Cc: 'meteorite list'
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning

Great article, Dave! I'm so glad this was published and hope others will
take a minute to read it and think about it. One of my biggest fears in our
hobby is the loss of information. I hope more people will spend the time
researching and properly documenting the meteorites *they already own.* It
is amazing how deep you can go when you put forth the effort. It is a fact
that future generations will rely significantly on this information. I agree
that we are all obligated, as *temporary custodians,* to properly document
and curate each specimen we own.

-----------------------------------
Mike Bandli
Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA #5765
-----------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Gheesling
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:19 PM
To: 'meteoritecentral'
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning

Hi All,

I recently wrote a brief article that Larry ran in the August 2009 issue of
Meteorite Magazine entitled "Temporary Custodians," and the response has
been a bit surprising.  Somewhere around a couple dozen readers have taken
the time to drop me an email saying things like "thanks for the heads-up
article...[it] made for uneasy reading."  Surely there are collectors on
this list who do not yet subscribe to Meteorite Magazine (and everyone on
this list really should!), so, given the topic, I'm posting a transcript
below.

The content is by no means comprehensive, but I'd really encourage those of
you with meteorite collections to give it a quick read.  Most of us have
been guilty at one time or another -- or at all times -- of leaving loose
ends such as those described in the writing.  Anyway, a web version of it
can be found here: http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm.

Larry, I hope you don't mind my posting it here, and thank you again for
giving the topic coverage in Meteorite!

All the best,

Dave

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 

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From schraderj at rocketmail.com  Fri Oct 30 21:03:39 2009
From: schraderj at rocketmail.com (Jack Schrader)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:03:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Ad Ban Cho Lae from Thailand
Message-ID: <513240.56888.qm@web111013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Dear list members, 

I have listed a very nice fusion crusted fragment of Ban Cho Lae on eBay for anyone interested.? This 6mm x 5mm fragment is fully fusion crusted on one side and weighs 0.1129 grams.? This auction will run for 5 days ending on Wednesday November 4.? Ban Cho Lae ( H5 W1 S0) is one of only four meteorites from Thailand and is extremely rare.? This auction is starting at only 99 cents with no reserve so here is your chance to add a very nice piece of this rarity to your collection.?? I have very little of this meteorite left for sale so don't miss this one!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160374037388 

Thanks! Jack



      


From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 30 22:44:37 2009
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:44:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Micrograph Art  (Terrestrial Basalt)
Message-ID: <772757.1256957077420.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Tom,

Your micros have given me an epiphany of the 10th magnitude. I see in these intricate and indescribably beautiful structures the evidence of my creation. I have a new and overwhelming awareness of what is inside those rocks held in hand. Pathways to the knowledge of our origins are there to study in gorgeous detail by those who know the codes. I envy them. In the meantime I will collect my visitors from space and enjoy them all the more... for I know the beauty and the import that is within them.

Thank you for sharing your outstanding talent and artistry...you made a lot more than my day.

Guido   

-----Original Message-----
>From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com
>Sent: Oct 30, 2009 6:01 PM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Micrograph Art  (Terrestrial Basalt)
>
>Hi List,  I took some shots of a Terrestrial Basalt that turn out  
>beautiful.  It was of course, a stone in a NWA unclassified meteorite mix  that 
>looked the part only better!
>
>The thin section was in hand so I went  to work.  I think you will enjoy 
>the images.  They are posted to my  Meteorite Micrograph Gallery.
> 
>http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/meteorites-feat_frame.htm   
> 
>Just select Terrestrial Basalt in the menu to the left.
>
>Any  observations would be appreciated.
>
>Tom Phillips
> 
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From rocksfromspace at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 31 01:09:03 2009
From: rocksfromspace at yahoo.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:09:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - October 31,
	2009
Message-ID: <239288.73601.qm@web113002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/October_31_2009.html


      


From spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 31 02:45:58 2009
From: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:45:58 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Micrograph Art  (Terrestrial Basalt)
In-Reply-To: <bdd.5e65384d.381cbc4b@aol.com>
References: <bdd.5e65384d.381cbc4b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU137-W3F11AA67A78AED919DF8FD6B50@phx.gbl>


Those are really cool - I especially like the chondrule ones,, I had to save a few to my computer picture archives! 

-----------
Melanie 
IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
?
Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! 




> From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:01:47 -0400
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Micrograph Art  (Terrestrial Basalt)
> 
> Hi List,  I took some shots of a Terrestrial Basalt that turn out  
> beautiful.  It was of course, a stone in a NWA unclassified meteorite mix  that 
> looked the part only better!
> 
> The thin section was in hand so I went  to work.  I think you will enjoy 
> the images.  They are posted to my  Meteorite Micrograph Gallery.
>  
> http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/meteorites-feat_frame.htm   
>  
> Just select Terrestrial Basalt in the menu to the left.
> 
> Any  observations would be appreciated.
> 
> Tom Phillips
>  
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From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 31 05:20:53 2009
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:20:53 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Micrograph Art (Terrestrial Basalt)
Message-ID: <COL108-W50EDAB3E1B38A2C0BA837A9BB50@phx.gbl>


Hi Tom, All,

Wait a minute. To my novice eyes, this stone sure looks like a meteorite to me. Being found amongst a pile of unclassified NWAs suggests to me that this does not belong where this was found. Are darkly crusted terrestrial basalt usually found on this desert? Could this be an Earthite? Basalt blasted from the Earth to return much later? If so, this might turn out to be historic.

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/meteorites-feat_frame.htm

Carl
 		 	   		  
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From mpg4444 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 19:48:19 2009
From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:48:19 -0400
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ancient Atomic Bombs
Message-ID: <ad733150910311648v41b715c0ma07e434cbbbc5e58@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/24575/


Sand dunes in the Egyptian desert. What phenomenon could be capable of
raising the temperature of desert sand to at least 3,300 degrees
Fahrenheit, casting it into great sheets of solid yellow-green glass?
...........


From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 21:07:17 2009
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:07:17 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sunday Auctions Ending
Message-ID: <93aaac890910311807r3dfcf60fye496741c6ac5d6c7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
First and foremost, Happy Halloween!
Mmmm, by far the 'sweetest' holiday of them all...
Anyways, I do have a pair of auctions ending tomorrow - both visible here:

http://shop.ebay.com/calimeteoritefinder/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686

There's the main mass of NWA 1953 - a "complete" 11.7g fragment; it's
uncut and was the largest piece found.
The other specimen I offered of this find showed pretty large green
chondrules - I can't see any on the surface of this stone, but it does
have some fusion crust to make up for it, as well as a nice shock vein
crossing one corner.

The other auction is a killer slice of NWA 1696 - if you like breccias
or large metal inclusions in your chondrites, this one's a must-have.
And it's an L3-6 with a weathering grade of only 1!
I only have two other pieces of this stone that show any such
inclusions - neither has inclusions as big as this slice.
Either way, beautiful material.

Hope y'all have a hoot out there tonight,
Thanks,
Jason