[meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic)

[Steve Dunklee]

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
 LOL!
Isn't science fun?

Steve


--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


> From: Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>

> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic)

> To: "Göran Axelsson" <axelsson at acc.umu.se>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:10 PM

> > That humans have turned sex into

> an amusement park is just an abomination...

> 

> On behalf of amusement park operators every-

> where, I strenuously object to this comment...

> 

> 

> Sterling K. Webb

> ---------------------------------------------------------------

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Göran Axelsson" <axelsson at acc.umu.se>

> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>

> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:11 AM

> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we

> are the aliens! (off topic)

> 

> 

> This answer only deals with evolution and no meteorites.

> Just delete it

> and you will not have missed any meteoritic information.

> 

> Steve Dunklee, I'm not jumping in the discussion about the

> existence of

> aliens but you are making a few mistakes.

> 

> - A change every 10 minutes for one billion years doesn't

> add up to 53

> billion changes, that would be only 53 per year. The real

> number is

> 53000 billions.

> That is only for one cell. You have to add in the

> diversification that a

> planet teeming with life adds to the numbers. How many

> microbes inhabit

> this planet?

> Every cell division gives two new cells and after 1 billion

> years there

> should be 2^53000000000000 cells, more than enough that

> some should give

> rise to humans with a merely 3000000000 base pairs in the

> DNA strain.

> When life got more complex it invented sex to speed up

> development by

> mixing and fusing different DNA strains. (That humans have

> turned sex

> into an amusement park is just an abomination of it's true

> purpose!)

> 

>  :-)

> 

> Ok, that is a looong stretch that a cell should give rise

> to complex

> multi cellular life. I just threw out some big numbers like

> you did.

> Your argument only dealt with one strain of microbe while

> my numbers

> puts no upper limit to the numbers of microbes (biomass).

> The truth lies

> somewhere in between but I leave that for the biologists to

> work on.

> 

> - The other mistake you are doing is to say that there is

> 4^3000000000

> combinations of the human genome. If you change too much of

> the genome

> it isn't a human any longer. Just change 5% percent and you

> could end up

> with a chimpanzee. A bit further and you have a mice. Even

> yeast shares

> a lot of genes with humans.

> More than half of the human DNA seems to be made up of

> junk. Repeated

> expressions, inactive parts left overs from evolution and

> remains of

> viruses.

> 

> Whenever a complex being is reproducing it will change a

> lot of

> different base pair, not only one. As a proof, look at the

> divergence

> between chimpanzee and humans. 5 million years created a 5%

> difference

> between our species. If we take a simplistic view and

> translate that

> into base pairs even though it isn't that easy to compare.

> (It is moved

> parts, added sequences, removed sequences and changed

> parts.) we have an

> approximately difference of 5% of 3 billion, or 150 million

> base pairs

> over 5 million years, or 30 base pairs per year (15 per

> specie). Not

> that big a number at all.

> 

> So I don't find any problems with the reproduction rates

> compared to the

> complexity of our DNA.

> 

> Btw I believe there is life in other places of the universe

> but that is

> only a belief. I have no proof of existence or absence. The

> only thing I

> know is that we soon have the tools to detect traces of

> life if it

> exists in our stellar vicinity.... and that the scientific

> debate

> following a possible find will make the meteorite list seem

> dull.

> 

>  :-)

> 

> /Göran

> 

> 

> Steve Dunklee wrote:

> > the fastest reproducing micro organism has a

> reproduction rate of once every ten minutes.

> > 

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbe

> > 

> > this reproduction rate if there was one change in dna

> every ten minutes would result in just shy of 53

> billion  different combinations in a billion

> years.  different combinations of dna.

> >  the oldest life on earth is 3.5 billion years

> ago but the change to multi cellular organisms was only

> about 1 billion years ago with stromatolites.

> >    the human genome has 4 to the 3 billionth

> power of genetic combinations in its dna and a reproduction

> rate of once every 9 months. as species become more complex

> the reproduction rate decreases.

> > 

> > http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-12/912824618.Ge.r.html

> > 

> >  4 to the 3 billionth power is way over the

> possible 52 billion combinitations assuming one change every

> ten minutes which we all know is impossible.

> >  the only possible explaination of the complexity

> of the human genome and other forms of life on earth is that

> life could not possibly have formed on earth. there has not

> been enough time! even at one surviable change every ten

> minutes. at one change every ten minutes it would still take

> over 2 billion years.

> > 

> > http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-12/912824618.Ge.r.html

> > 

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbe

> > 

> > http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1658283.htm

> > 

> >  I know I don't have all the answeres but it's

> hard to ignore real science of reproduction rates as

> compared to our dna. and the amount of time it takes for

> reproduction to occure.

> >     In short we are the aliens!

> > eve a great day!

> > Steve

> > 

> > 

> 

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