From fujmon at mac.com  Fri Jan  1 00:04:31 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:04:31 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
	1, 2010
In-Reply-To: <755285648.344261262321360791.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>
References: <755285648.344261262321360791.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <2073208C-06A2-4CCE-9413-D1FC93AF65D8@mac.com>

Bravo on another wonderful RFSPoD Michael!  And congratulations to Geoff and Lisa Marie for receiving their BC stones from Canada.  However with all due respect to Geoff, Lisa Marie and Michael, I would like to point out that although I cannot be sure it was the first Buzzard Coulee in the USA, the Big Kahuna's 60.32g double oriented specimen is certainly the first one in Hawaii (thanks to Murray Paulson), and featured in the November 14th RFSPoD:

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/November_14_2009.html

Hau'oli Makahiki Hou!
gary

On Dec 31, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Michael Johnson wrote:

> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_1_2010.html
> 
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105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  (now visible on ebay Global Hub)
(808) 640-9161





From minador at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 01:20:35 2010
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:20:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
	1, 2010
In-Reply-To: <2073208C-06A2-4CCE-9413-D1FC93AF65D8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <923689.88816.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Beautiful RFSPoD (both dates...).  What a great thing to see as the New Year starts!  Thanks Michael for your service.  Have a safe New Year celebration everyone and have a safe, prosperous and enjoyable 2010!!

Mark B.
Vail, AZ

--- On Thu, 12/31/09, Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com> wrote:

> From: Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 1, 2010
> To: "Michael Johnson" <michael at rocksfromspace.org>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 10:04 PM
> Bravo on another wonderful RFSPoD
> Michael!? And congratulations to Geoff and Lisa Marie
> for receiving their BC stones from Canada.? However
> with all due respect to Geoff, Lisa Marie and Michael, I
> would like to point out that although I cannot be sure it
> was the first Buzzard Coulee in the USA, the Big Kahuna's
> 60.32g double oriented specimen is certainly the first one
> in Hawaii (thanks to Murray Paulson), and featured in the
> November 14th RFSPoD:
> 
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/November_14_2009.html
> 
> Hau'oli Makahiki Hou!
> gary
> 
> On Dec 31, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Michael Johnson wrote:
> 
> > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_1_2010.html
> > 
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> 
> Gary Fujihara
> Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
> http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html? (now visible
> on ebay Global Hub)
> (808) 640-9161
> 
> 
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From mexicodoug at aim.com  Fri Jan  1 05:07:22 2010
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 05:07:22 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD- Ash Creek House hitter Entire HAMMER STONE
In-Reply-To: <C7613AAB.A42D%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <8CC58E1554D4988-4F98-37767@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com>

Michael B. wrote:

"The barn stone was coupled with the stone that fell at the feet of the 
barn owner."

Michael's quoted statement is inaccurate. (Kindly note that my comment 
and his quote are both unrelated to the stone being sold in the ad).

Many nice collectors asked me about this, and I am sorry my own 
challenges didn't allow me to answer most. I had nothing to do with the 
sale, and am now crying my eyes out over the billowin' crinolines on 
Maryann's flip side.

Kindest wishes in the New Year,

Doug




-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD- Ash Creek House hitter Entire HAMMER 
STONE


Greetings all,
I now own the only House Hitter hammer stone from the
Ash Creek fall. If you recall, there were two grave yard stones,
One damn stone, one barn stone and one house stone.

( The barn stone was coupled with the stone that fell at
the feet of the barn owner who at first thought his girlfriend
Was teasing him by tossing a rock near him - The two stones
Which together totaled about 51grams, sold in an ad hoc auction
by phone. The Winning bidder paid $4,600 for the two. The seller
Would not sell either separately).

While I certainly would love to keep this entire house hitter,
My finances demand I sell it. I could make more cutting it up,
but it is one of the more impressive specimens I have seen and
Will be heartbroken if I have to "slice and dice" this beauty. Note
The embedded grit of the roof shingle on the "face" of the stone.
It is 124 gr. See it here from 4 different angles:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Conglomerate.jpg

Serious offers only, please. Off line, of course.
Best wishes, Michael


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From nwa482 at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 08:46:06 2010
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:46:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - First Sale of the New Decade
Message-ID: <156587748.5680311262353566677.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Happy New Year everybody !!!!  Hopefully the handovers this morning will not be too bad or last past noon.

Through Midnight Sunday night I am offering AT LEAST 10% off of my listed prices on my website.  Possibly more depending on the specimen so just ask for a price if anything strikes your fancy.

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/

Have a great holiday weekend !!!!

Jim Strope 
421 Fourth Street 
Glen Dale, WV ?26038 

On eBay:
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=catchafallingstar.com


From energylightandlove at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 13:55:06 2010
From: energylightandlove at yahoo.com (power ofunity)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:55:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] ASU recalculates age of solar system/ Interesting
	Allende CAI details
Message-ID: <311364.22307.qm@web59002.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Interesting read from ASU -?with supporting details and fascinating info regarding Allende's CAIs 

http://asunews.asu.edu/20091231_brennecka
?
?
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/science.1180871
?
?
Published Online December 31, 2009
Science DOI: 10.1126/science.1180871 ? 
Reports
238U/235U Variations in Meteorites: Extant 247Cm and Implications for Pb-Pb DatingG. A. Brennecka,1, S. Weyer,2, M. Wadhwa,1 P. E. Janney,1 J. Zipfel,3 A. D. Anbar1,4 
The 238U/235U isotope ratio has long been considered invariantin meteoritic materials (i.e., 137.88). This assumption is acornerstone of the high-precision Pb-Pb dates that define theabsolute age of the Solar System. Calcium-aluminum-rich inclusionsof the Allende meteorite display variable 238U/235U ratios,ranging between 137.409?0.039 and 137.885?0.009.This range implies substantial uncertainties in the ages previouslydetermined by Pb-Pb dating of CAIs, which may be overestimatedby several million years. The correlation of U isotope ratioswith proxies for Cm/U (i.e., Th/U and Nd/U) provides strongevidence that the observed variations of 238U/235U in CAIs wereproduced by the decay of extant 247Cm to 235U in the early SolarSystem, with an initial 247Cm/235U of ~ 1.1 to 2.4 x 10-4.
?1 School of Earth and Space Exploration, Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ 85287, USA.
2 Institut fur Geowissenschaften, Goethe-Universit?t, Frankfurt, Germany.
3 Senckenberg Forschungsinstitut und Naturmuseum, Frankfurt, Germany.
4 Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ 85287, USA. 
 Current address: Institut f?r Geology und Mineralogie,Universit?t zu K?ln, Cologne, Germany.
 To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: brennecka at asu.edu 
________________________________
Received for publication 20 August 2009. Accepted for publication 11 December 2009.


      


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Fri Jan  1 15:07:54 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:07:54 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] What do you do when a meteorite crashes in your
	backyard?
Message-ID: <4B3E561A.7050803@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Listees,

This is a humorous question I saw on Answers.com, but figured it 
appropriate for the list and lighthearted enough to inspire some funny 
responses.

The inflection is on YOU, and what YOU would do... Have fun, prosperous 
and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

What do YOU do when a meteorite crashes in your backyard?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA




From erikfwebb at msn.com  Fri Jan  1 15:18:18 2010
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:18:18 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What do you do when a meteorite crashes in
 your	backyard?
In-Reply-To: <4B3E561A.7050803@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <4B3E561A.7050803@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <COL119-W4794B4113FDB2843E3649CA4770@phx.gbl>


Ah, you've done it now Jordy Verrill. You lunk head!



----------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:07:54 -0800
> From: eric at meteoritesusa.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] What do you do when a meteorite crashes in your backyard?
>
> Hi Listees,
>
> This is a humorous question I saw on Answers.com, but figured it
> appropriate for the list and lighthearted enough to inspire some funny
> responses.
>
> The inflection is on YOU, and what YOU would do... Have fun, prosperous
> and HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>
> What do YOU do when a meteorite crashes in your backyard?
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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From erikfwebb at msn.com  Fri Jan  1 16:32:49 2010
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:32:49 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What do you do when a meteorite crashes in
 your backyard?
In-Reply-To: <4B3E5B73.70102@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <4B3E561A.7050803@meteoritesusa.com>
	<COL119-W4794B4113FDB2843E3649CA4770@phx.gbl>,
	<4B3E5B73.70102@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <COL119-W40BFC0B7EFD70FB441967BA4770@phx.gbl>


It's from a movie, Creep show.? You can watch the whole movie on youtube.
It's a comic book style movie with multiple stories in the movie.
On of the stories involves a farmer who finds a meteorite that landed in his yard.

[Erik]

----------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:30:43 -0800
> From: eric at meteoritesusa.com
> To: erikfwebb at msn.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What do you do when a meteorite crashes in your backyard?
>
> ??? Did I miss something? ;(
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
>
> On 1/1/2010 12:18 PM, Erik Fisler wrote:
>> Ah, you've done it now Jordy Verrill. You lunk head!
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:07:54 -0800
>>> From: eric at meteoritesusa.com
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] What do you do when a meteorite crashes in your backyard?
>>>
>>> Hi Listees,
>>>
>>> This is a humorous question I saw on Answers.com, but figured it
>>> appropriate for the list and lighthearted enough to inspire some funny
>>> responses.
>>>
>>> The inflection is on YOU, and what YOU would do... Have fun, prosperous
>>> and HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>>>
>>> What do YOU do when a meteorite crashes in your backyard?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eric Wichman
>>> Meteorites USA
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>
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From mlblood at cox.net  Fri Jan  1 17:16:38 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:16:38 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek House hitter Entire HAMMER STONE
In-Reply-To: <8CC58E1554D4988-4F98-37767@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C763B446.A575%mlblood@cox.net>

Yo Doug and all,
            Well, then, Doug, either you are not telling the truth
Or the person who sold the two stones was not telling the truth.
I was part of that auction (as a bidder, not the auctioneer) and
was told these were the circumstances and then the results of the
auction. 
        (This was well after you had implied to me you had the
barn stone, yourself firmly and stated it wasn't for sale,
period.)
        This, after I had asked about it twice earlier in about a
3 week period, you SPECIFICALLY stated:

 " Let's try this again - I will clarify it for you. When I last told you
the stone was not going anywhere anytime soon, it was intended
to get to the bottom line: THE STONE IS ABSOLUTELY NOT
FOR SALE. There is  nothing more to talk about.
When I said I wasn't interested in talking about it (but if you
insist...) - but was trying to be a nice guy responding to your barrage
of tenacity and insistence, it was because IT IS NOT FOR SALE. The
situation will be the same in Tucson."

            Perhaps I was foolish to read the above as you having the stone
(which I had asked twice), as it certainly sounded like it to me. In fact,
It sounds SO MUCH like that that I can only conclude your intentions
Were, in fact, meant to mislead me into thinking
1) you had it and 
2) You were not going to sell it under any circumstances -
NEITHER of which were true. Apparently you thought it would keep
me away from further inquiring in other directions which would leave the
door open for you getting it later. I really don't know any other way to
read your above statements. Otherwise, why not just ORIGINALLY state
"I don't have it?" 
 
            So, now is difficult to determine what you mean, exactly when
you state, "Michaels quoted statement is inaccurate" as, once again, you
Evade directness in communicating about the barn stone.
        Now, if my statement regarding the auction of the barn hammer and
the stone that fell at the feet of the witness was inaccurate, perhaps you
would enlighten us SPECIFICALLY as to what, EXACTLY in my statement,
was "not true?"
       Are you saying the two stones were not auctioned off together?
       Are you saying they sold for a different price than I quoted?
       Are you saying the person in the barn is not the same person that saw
a stone land near his feet?
        Are you saying their combined weight was not approximately 51g?
       What EXACTLY are you saying when you state, "Michaels quoted
statement is inaccurate?"

        Please do enlighten us.
        Michael

            


On 1/1/10 2:07 AM, "Mexico Doug" <mexicodoug at aim.com> wrote:

> Michael B. wrote:
> 
> "The barn stone was coupled with the stone that fell at the feet of the
> barn owner."
> 
> Michael's quoted statement is inaccurate. (Kindly note that my comment
> and his quote are both unrelated to the stone being sold in the ad).
> 
> Many nice collectors asked me about this, and I am sorry my own
> challenges didn't allow me to answer most. I had nothing to do with the
> sale, and am now crying my eyes out over the billowin' crinolines on
> Maryann's flip side.
> 
> Kindest wishes in the New Year,
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD- Ash Creek House hitter Entire HAMMER
> STONE
> 
> 
> Greetings all,
> I now own the only House Hitter hammer stone from the
> Ash Creek fall. If you recall, there were two grave yard stones,
> One damn stone, one barn stone and one house stone.
> 
> ( The barn stone was coupled with the stone that fell at
> the feet of the barn owner who at first thought his girlfriend
> Was teasing him by tossing a rock near him - The two stones
> Which together totaled about 51grams, sold in an ad hoc auction
> by phone. The Winning bidder paid $4,600 for the two. The seller
> Would not sell either separately).
> 
> While I certainly would love to keep this entire house hitter,
> My finances demand I sell it. I could make more cutting it up,
> but it is one of the more impressive specimens I have seen and
> Will be heartbroken if I have to "slice and dice" this beauty. Note
> The embedded grit of the roof shingle on the "face" of the stone.
> It is 124 gr. See it here from 4 different angles:
> 
> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Conglomerate.jpg
> 
> Serious offers only, please. Off line, of course.
> Best wishes, Michael
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
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From tricottetcoll at live.com  Fri Jan  1 18:35:07 2010
From: tricottetcoll at live.com (The Tricottet Collection)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 23:35:07 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online
Message-ID: <BLU117-W4488D8AFA3FEB7CD8422DDD770@phx.gbl>


Dear list members,

I'm glad to announce that the Tricottet Collection is online: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/

Direct access to the meteorite section: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_hall.html

Become a fan on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Tricottet-Collection/228399863937?ref=ts

Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/tricottetcoll


Note that I tried to speed up to go online January 1st, so there are still a few bugs to fix (e.g. some pictures that do not appear for no apparent reason). Comments are welcome!

Enjoy and happy new year

ArnaudM
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From almitt2 at localnet.com  Fri Jan  1 18:37:25 2010
From: almitt2 at localnet.com (almitt2 at localnet.com)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:37:25 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] The New Decade Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <156587748.5680311262353566677.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <156587748.5680311262353566677.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20100101183725.7u8v5xbiadwsw0ck@webmail.localnet.com>

Greetings,

I keep hearing and seeing different places about this being the new 
decade. They kept saying it last night in the news media. It isn't! The 
new decade will begin next January 1st 2011. Just as people made 
mistakes about the new millinaium about nine years ago.

Unless the calander started in the year 0 then we are actually 
finishing out the current decade. I know there is some debate about all 
this but I'm going with this being the beginning of tenth year of the 
first decade in 30th century.

http://www.millenniummistake.net/frame2.htm

Well enough non-sense, all my best to everyone and Happy New Year to all!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites



From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 18:59:45 2010
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:59:45 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online
In-Reply-To: <BLU117-W4488D8AFA3FEB7CD8422DDD770@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU117-W4488D8AFA3FEB7CD8422DDD770@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <457CC3DE62674FDE8A0A91B13A4D1F34@Bandli1>

Nicely done, Arnaud! Great web design and layout - very clean and
professional! I never tire of looking at other people's meteorites. I look
forward to see the development of other sections in the near future.

Happy New Year!

-----------------------------------
Mike Bandli
Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA?#5765
-----------------------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of The
Tricottet Collection
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:35 PM
To: MeteoriteList
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online


Dear list members,

I'm glad to announce that the Tricottet Collection is online:
http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/

Direct access to the meteorite section:
http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_hall.html

Become a fan on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Tricottet-Collection/228399863937?ref=ts

Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/tricottetcoll


Note that I tried to speed up to go online January 1st, so there are still a
few bugs to fix (e.g. some pictures that do not appear for no apparent
reason). Comments are welcome!

Enjoy and happy new year

ArnaudM
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 19:08:28 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:08:28 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD (sort of) - Will Trade 1000-watt Xantrex
	Inverter for meteorites
Message-ID: <e51421551001011608s410f3451ld4fdc027e16f0f95@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

I have been buried under an avalanche of impending medical bills, so I
am dragging a few things out of storage to liquidate.  This inverter
was purchased to provide power for the "Bolide Bus" (an RV I am
building to chase meteorite falls), but that project is now on
indefinite hold.  So I no longer need this inverter.  This inverter is
brand-new and has never been used or installed.  It has been removed
once from the factory box for inspection.  I paid $375 for it about a
year and a half ago.   I will offer it as trade towards meteorites
that I can resell or I will sell it for cash. (or a mix of cash and
meteorites)

This inverter has a 1000-watt capacity and has a 3-stage float
charger.  It's perfect for RV, Marine or off-the-grid applications.

Here is a web-link to some specifications on it (Xantrex HF 1000) -

http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/257/p/1/pt/8/product.asp

West Marine sells these for $475 - http://tinyurl.com/y9c24m8

I'm motivated to sell, so I will let this go at a substantial discount.

Contact me off-list with any offers - meteoritemike at gmail.com

Thanks for looking and Happy New Year!

MikeG

PS - I have photos available on request.


From jbaxter112 at pol.net  Fri Jan  1 19:59:01 2010
From: jbaxter112 at pol.net (James Baxter)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:59:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online
In-Reply-To: <BLU117-W4488D8AFA3FEB7CD8422DDD770@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1562973681.3566401262393941600.JavaMail.root@zmcs01l-pol-08.portal.webmd.com>

Hello Arnaud,

Beautiful site. Your interest in historical material makes your site really interesting reading. What a magnificent Ninninger collection!

Keep up the good work,
Jim Baxter
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Tricottet Collection" <tricottetcoll at live.com>
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Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 3:35:07 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online


Dear list members,

I'm glad to announce that the Tricottet Collection is online: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/

Direct access to the meteorite section: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_hall.html

Become a fan on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Tricottet-Collection/228399863937?ref=ts

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Note that I tried to speed up to go online January 1st, so there are still a few bugs to fix (e.g. some pictures that do not appear for no apparent reason). Comments are welcome!

Enjoy and happy new year

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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Fri Jan  1 21:21:38 2010
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:21:38 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online
In-Reply-To: <BLU117-W4488D8AFA3FEB7CD8422DDD770@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU117-W4488D8AFA3FEB7CD8422DDD770@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E9D119B3D3814AD8B8DF42D7C56BDFBD@meteorroom>

Fantastic Arnaud!  Wonderful collection and a terrific site!!!
All the best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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To: MeteoriteList
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online


Dear list members,

I'm glad to announce that the Tricottet Collection is online:
http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/

Direct access to the meteorite section:
http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_hall.html

Become a fan on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Tricottet-Collection/228399863937?ref=ts

Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/tricottetcoll


Note that I tried to speed up to go online January 1st, so there are still a
few bugs to fix (e.g. some pictures that do not appear for no apparent
reason). Comments are welcome!

Enjoy and happy new year

ArnaudM
 		 	   		  
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From oxytropidoceras at cox.net  Fri Jan  1 21:33:54 2010
From: oxytropidoceras at cox.net (Paul Heinrich)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:33:54 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] PDF File of 1851 Paper About "Meteorites" Found in
	Coal
Message-ID: <4B3EB092.8000008@cox.net>

Dear Friends,

While searching for something else I came across a
PDF file to a paper about "supposed meteorites found
in seams of coal" The paper is:

Binney, E. W., 1851, Description of some supposed
meteorites found in seams of coal: Manchester Literary
and Philosophical Society, Memoirs and Proceedings.
vol. 9, pp. 306-320.

The PDF file can be found at either:

http://tiny.cc/MeteoritesCoal or

http://books.google.com/books?id=5RC9Uf7wdwsC&pg=PA306&lpg=PA306&dq=Description+of+some+supposed+meteorites+found+in+seams+of+coal:+Manchester+Literary+and+Philosophical+Society,+Memoirs+and+Proceedings,&source=bl&ots=nRTd9g4wES&sig=UuWOs1_dJl--xB_SUIqgw5_RNA8&hl=en&ei=0a0-S-n7IYb_nAfVwsz8CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

The there is the "Fossil Meteorite Project by Pennsylvania
State University" at:

http://www.meteorite.com/psu_summary.htm
http://www.meteorite.com/psu_coal_mining.htm

Also, there is:

"Potential for Preservation and Recovery of Fossil
Iron Meteorites from Coal, Trona, Limestone, and
Other Sedimentary Rocks" at:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc97/pdf/5057.pdf

Yours,

PAul H.






From info at meteorites.com.au  Fri Jan  1 20:29:35 2010
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:29:35 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] ASU recalculates age of solar system/
	InterestingAllende CAI details
In-Reply-To: <311364.22307.qm@web59002.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <311364.22307.qm@web59002.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <577E292531454A73AD4C4E697A3DA25E@JeffPC>

Hi all,

>"meaning that the age of the Solar System could be miscalculated by as much
>as several million years."

That doesn't sound like much but as soon as I saw that statement it stood
out... BIG TIME! There has always been speculation with certain meteorites
forming soon after the beginnings of our solar system with the Angrites
being an enigmatic and important one. In fact a recent 2009 paper by T.
Kleine, B. Bourdon, and A. J. Irving concluded that:

"Core formation in the angrite parent body probably occurred within the
first ~2 Myr after CAI formation. This timescale is consistent with a Rb-Sr
model age for separation of the angrite parent body from a hot solar nebula
and with Hf-W model ages for magmatic iron meteorites. Collectively, these
chronological constraints demonstrate that accretion of differentiated
planetesimals predated chondrule formation and accretion of chondrite parent
bodies and that 26Al decay was the dominant heat source for the early
differentiation of meteorite parent bodies. Furthermore, the timescale of
magmatism on the angrite parent body of ~4 to ~10 Myr after CAI formation is
consistent with predictions from thermal models of asteroids that accreted
within the first ~2 Myr after CAI formation."

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "power ofunity" <energylightandlove at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 5:55 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] ASU recalculates age of solar system/
InterestingAllende CAI details


Interesting read from ASU - with supporting details and fascinating info
regarding Allende's CAIs

http://asunews.asu.edu/20091231_brennecka


http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/science.1180871


Published Online December 31, 2009
Science DOI: 10.1126/science.1180871
Reports
238U/235U Variations in Meteorites: Extant 247Cm and Implications for Pb-Pb
DatingG. A. Brennecka,1, S. Weyer,2, M. Wadhwa,1 P. E. Janney,1 J. Zipfel,3
A. D. Anbar1,4
The 238U/235U isotope ratio has long been considered invariantin meteoritic
materials (i.e., 137.88). This assumption is acornerstone of the
high-precision Pb-Pb dates that define theabsolute age of the Solar System.
Calcium-aluminum-rich inclusionsof the Allende meteorite display variable
238U/235U ratios,ranging between 137.409?0.039 and 137.885?0.009.This range
implies substantial uncertainties in the ages previouslydetermined by Pb-Pb
dating of CAIs, which may be overestimatedby several million years. The
correlation of U isotope ratioswith proxies for Cm/U (i.e., Th/U and Nd/U)
provides strongevidence that the observed variations of 238U/235U in CAIs
wereproduced by the decay of extant 247Cm to 235U in the early SolarSystem,
with an initial 247Cm/235U of ~ 1.1 to 2.4 x 10-4.
1 School of Earth and Space Exploration, Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
85287, USA.
2 Institut fur Geowissenschaften, Goethe-Universit?t, Frankfurt, Germany.
3 Senckenberg Forschungsinstitut und Naturmuseum, Frankfurt, Germany.
4 Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Arizona State University, Tempe,
AZ 85287, USA.
 Current address: Institut f?r Geology und Mineralogie,Universit?t zu K?ln,
Cologne, Germany.
 To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: brennecka at asu.edu
________________________________
Received for publication 20 August 2009. Accepted for publication 11
December 2009.



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From dhill at lpl.arizona.edu  Fri Jan  1 23:35:35 2010
From: dhill at lpl.arizona.edu (Dolores Hill)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:35:35 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Arizona Meteorite Exhibition and Happy New Year!
Message-ID: <4B3ECD17.2010600@lpl.arizona.edu>

Dear Meteorite Enthusiasts,

Happy New Year!

We know many of you are making travel plans to come to the Tucson Show. 
In addition to the Show, there are many exciting meteorite events not to 
be missed! *We cordially invite you to attend a **special public 
?Arizona Meteorite Exhibition,? January 30, 2010 from 6-9 pm on the 
University of Arizona campus in the Kuiper Space Sciences Building 
Atrium.* The event coincides with but is not meant to compete with the 
Tucson Gem & Mineral Show. It will be the kick-off event to the Lunar & 
Planetary Laboratory?s 50^th Anniversary Year.

This *first-ever Arizona Meteorite Exhibition will acknowledge and honor 
finders of Arizona meteorites, classifiers, and important collections* 
by exhibiting as many Arizona meteorites as possible. *More than 95 
separate meteorites* have been recovered and recognized in the state of 
Arizona since 1891. Among them are *special finds that are of both 
historical and scientific importance*.

Rather than just a collection of inanimate rocks, we will have *exhibits 
and posters* that will emphasize connections between people and 
research, especially as they relate to Arizona meteorites, history, and 
institutions.

Arizona is host to *prestigious centers of meteorite, planetary science, 
geology, and archaeology research* that have been at the forefront of 
many scientific and engineering endeavors. Many are among our *exhibit 
partners and sponsors* ? Portland State University?s Cascadia Meteorite 
Laboratory (UA alumni), Arizona State University?s Center for Meteorite 
Studies, Arizona Museum of Natural History, Museum of Northern Arizona, 
UA Mineral Museum, Flandrau Science Center, Arizona Mining and Mineral 
Museum, and others.

* Exciting public talks *by Dante Lauretta and Edward Beshore will 
highlight current meteorite research and the discovery and recovery of 
asteroid 2008 TC3/Almahata Sitta (ureilite). The Tucson Amateur 
Astronomy Association will provide *telescopes* *for stargazing*. There 
will be opportunities to take a *tour* with the Mt. Lemmon SkyCenter on 
a different night to *see the telescope on Mt. Lemmon where TC3 was 
discovered* by Richard Kowalski.

Because this will be such a unique opportunity to have so many Arizona 
meteorites and their finders together at the same time, we plan to 
conduct a *_Meteorite Memory Project_* to video record finders? stories 
of recovery and identification. The official record of the Meteoritical 
Bulletin does not always have an appropriate venue for such information. 
It is an important part of the historical record nonetheless. *We 
cordially invite you to share your story.*
*
This is a great opportunity to meet and socialize with fellow meteorite 
enthusiasts and researchers. Light snacks will be available during the 
Exhibition. **Come and enjoy!*

For more information and directions see: http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/ and 
*http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/location/*
We hope to see you soon!

Kind regards,

Dolores H. Hill, Sr. Research Specialist
Maria Schuchardt, Data Manager, LPL NASA Space Imagery Center
Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ


From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  1 23:47:39 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 23:47:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online
Message-ID: <25692561.1262407659766.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thank you very much for posting the collection. The fine photography and provenance along with the rarities displayed are greatly enjoyed.

Best regards for a Happy and Prosperous New Year!
Count Deiro
IMCA #3536


-----Original Message-----
>From: The Tricottet Collection <tricottetcoll at live.com>
>Sent: Jan 1, 2010 6:35 PM
>To: MeteoriteList <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online
>
>
>Dear list members,
>
>I'm glad to announce that the Tricottet Collection is online: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/
>
>Direct access to the meteorite section: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_hall.html
>
>Become a fan on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Tricottet-Collection/228399863937?ref=ts
>
>Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/tricottetcoll
>
>
>Note that I tried to speed up to go online January 1st, so there are still a few bugs to fix (e.g. some pictures that do not appear for no apparent reason). Comments are welcome!
>
>Enjoy and happy new year
>
>ArnaudM
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From keithandana at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 23:49:11 2010
From: keithandana at gmail.com (Keith and Dana Jenkerson)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:49:11 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Best Wishes for 2010
Message-ID: <f9cf59511001012049l1f0b806bl38ddd7b1c46f5601@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, All;

We want to wish everyone a wonderful and blessed new year! (And a few
of new meteorites to chase!)

Cheers;

Keith and Dana

--
KD Meteorites
kdmeteorites.com
Keith and Dana Jenkerson
4596 N. Vickie Lane
Kingman, AZ., 86409
928-399-0140
928-277-9293


From michael at rocksfromspace.org  Sat Jan  2 00:21:39 2010
From: michael at rocksfromspace.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:21:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 2,
	2010
Message-ID: <1213344849.387431262409699539.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_2_2010.html



From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan  2 00:47:35 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 23:47:35 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite deaths in Qingyang (Ch'ing-yang) in 1490
References: <9e5b1f991001011715j5f2650dbx8202f29572ab6469@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C28539B20E9D4F0A8000B1A43C76B618@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, List, Paul,

A new List member, Robert A. Juhl (AA552 at mac.com)
was having trouble posting this message to the List, so
I'm passing it along for him.

It contains a lot of source details about the 1490 meteorite
fall in Ch'ing-yang, Shansi (modern spelling Qingyang and
is now in Gansu Province). Lots of fascinating details!


Sterling K. Webb
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is Robert's email:

The March-April 1490 event is well attested. The standard source for
information on meteor sightings and other celestial phenomena in China
is Zhongguo gudai tianxiang jilu zongji, (Complete collection of
records of celestial phenomena in ancient China), published under the
auspices of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, Nanjing, 1988.

One section of this book is devoted to meteor falls. The March-April
1490 event is covered on pgs 73-74. Ten works mention the event. Of
these, the most important is the official History of the Ming Dynasty.
The other works are local gazettes, histories, etc.

The record of the event in the official History of the Ming Dynasty is
terse. It says only that there was a rain of innumerable stones of
various sizes. The big ones were as large as a goose egg, and the
small ones were the size of the fruit of an aquatic plant. The date
given is the third (lunar) month of 1490 (21 Mar-19 Apr 1490). The
location was Qingyang in Shaanxi Province. In other words, the
official history does not mention the deaths. Perhaps there was a
political reason not to mention them.

However, many sources mention the deaths. One semi-official source
says the official in charge of Shaanxi Province sent in a report to
the central government stating there had been a rain of stones in
Qingyang County of Shaanxi. The large ones weighed 4-5 jin and the
small ones weighed 2-3 jin (a modern jin is about 605 grams; offhand,
I don't know the weight of the jin at that time). The number of people
who were struck and died from the stones was several ten-thousands. A
separate source mentions that all the residents of one city fled
elsewhere under the rain of stones. The semi-official report above and
two others date the fall in the second lunar month. One source dates
the fall on 4 Apr 1490 (in the 3rd lunar month). And the rest of the
sources date the fall in the 3rd lunar month.

Incidentally, nowadays Qingyang is in China's Gansu Province. Just
input Qingyang into Google Earth and select the Qingyang in Gansu.

Best wishes and Happy New Year

Robert A. Juhl (AA552 at mac.com)



From nakhladog at comcast.net  Sat Jan  2 01:23:43 2010
From: nakhladog at comcast.net (Rob Wesel)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:23:43 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online
References: <BLU117-W4488D8AFA3FEB7CD8422DDD770@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A8A58D5566D147EBAA1FF2EDEA8A2A31@windows9bb74fe>

An excellent site with an eye for collecting, curating and display Arnaud. 
Very clean.

Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/nakhladog
------------------
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971


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To: "MeteoriteList" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online


>
> Dear list members,
>
> I'm glad to announce that the Tricottet Collection is online: 
> http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/
>
> Direct access to the meteorite section: 
> http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_hall.html
>
> Become a fan on Facebook: 
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Tricottet-Collection/228399863937?ref=ts
>
> Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/tricottetcoll
>
>
> Note that I tried to speed up to go online January 1st, so there are still 
> a few bugs to fix (e.g. some pictures that do not appear for no apparent 
> reason). Comments are welcome!
>
> Enjoy and happy new year
>
> ArnaudM
>
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From erikfwebb at msn.com  Sat Jan  2 02:51:00 2010
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:51:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hunt Today
Message-ID: <COL119-W28ED59735C2C9AD26CC684A4760@phx.gbl>


My father and I will be hunting for cold finds near Phoenix tomorrow.? If anyone we know want's to meet up and hunt together call my number or my father's. We'll probably leave around 6am to 9am but if you want to meet us in the field, that is fine too.? Happy Hunting.

[Erik]
 		 	   		  

From meteoriteman at comcast.net  Sat Jan  2 06:45:27 2010
From: meteoriteman at comcast.net (meteoriteman at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:45:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite deaths in Qingyang (Ch'ing-yang) in
	1490
Message-ID: <1094421736.6675961262432727063.JavaMail.root@sz0098a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>


This Qingyang story sounds like an opportunity for the "Meteorite Men" series. It would be a great episode for Geoff and Steve to go there and uncover the story in detail, and possibly find some of the meteorites.

Jim K


From cmb62 at columbus.rr.com  Sat Jan  2 08:36:16 2010
From: cmb62 at columbus.rr.com (Charley)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 08:36:16 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] The New Decade  Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1262406891.111.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.25.1262406891.111.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <0ECF12E599F44CCEAB0411628E77A46F@HAL1>

Hi Al,

Phil Plait of Bad Astronomy adressed this very issue yesterday.

Here is his take:

http://tinyurl.com/yet3axh

(Bottom line-we are in a new decade because we don't measure decades the 
same way we measure centuries).

Happy New Year regardless of the decade!


Best regards,

Charley

"Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's
  try elephants !"

                    Hannibal
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:37:25 -0500
> From: almitt2 at localnet.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The New Decade Off Topic
> To: Meteorite Central <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <20100101183725.7u8v5xbiadwsw0ck at webmail.localnet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed"
>
> Greetings,
>
> I keep hearing and seeing different places about this being the new
> decade. They kept saying it last night in the news media. It isn't! The
> new decade will begin next January 1st 2011. Just as people made
> mistakes about the new millinaium about nine years ago.
>
> Unless the calander started in the year 0 then we are actually
> finishing out the current decade. I know there is some debate about all
> this but I'm going with this being the beginning of tenth year of the
> first decade in 30th century.
>
> http://www.millenniummistake.net/frame2.htm
>
> Well enough non-sense, all my best to everyone and Happy New Year to all!
>
> --AL Mitterling
> Mitterling Meteorites




From jakewayne1989 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 08:58:41 2010
From: jakewayne1989 at yahoo.com (Jake Wayne)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 05:58:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online
Message-ID: <743384.73276.qm@web113010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I have been lurking on the list for some time but I just had to say that this is an incredible website for learning.  Great job of putting together an educational site which showcases the meteorites and history.

Jake

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, The Tricottet Collection <tricottetcoll at live.com> wrote:


From: The Tricottet Collection <tricottetcoll at live.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online
To: "MeteoriteList" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 11:35 PM



Dear list members,

I'm glad to announce that the Tricottet Collection is online: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/

Direct access to the meteorite section: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_hall.html

Become a fan on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Tricottet-Collection/228399863937?ref=ts

Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/tricottetcoll


Note that I tried to speed up to go online January 1st, so there are still a few bugs to fix (e.g. some pictures that do not appear for no apparent reason). Comments are welcome!

Enjoy and happy new year

ArnaudM
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 10:16:11 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 07:16:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Need new fridge sale!
Message-ID: <764023.29620.qm@web46405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all! Hope everyone is enjoying the new year.

It seems my fridge decided to lay out last night after many years of great service...
I need to raise some cash to get a new one.

Check out my ebay listings, I have some nice stuff listed! 

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1
10% off items sold off ebay - saves me fees and you money!

Listings include -
NWA 3140 (ureilite)
Tatahouine (Diogenite)
Camel Donga (Eucrite)
Lunar
Martian
Chergach - NEAT Multi lithology samples also
and more

I also have some thin sections of Camel Donga for $55.00 


Greg C.
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com


      


From mexicodoug at aim.com  Sat Jan  2 13:30:39 2010
From: mexicodoug at aim.com (Mexicodoug)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:30:39 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek House hitter Entire HAMMER STONE
In-Reply-To: <C763B446.A575%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <C763B446.A575%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <8CC59F0D1B683C3-2DCC-3A841@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Michael, Fare thee well in the New Year.

With reverence towards the enduring patience of the Angel that 
enlightens
the rarest amongst us, I would more easily believe that neither of the
Southerners would lie than that Cap'n Blood would not muck it up. You
certainly are not to deny whatever you cannot account for. I salute you
with respect due all list members.






-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
To: Mexico Doug <mexicodoug at aim.com>; Meteorite List
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek House hitter Entire HAMMER STONE


Yo Doug and all,
Well, then, Doug, either you are not telling the truth
Or the person who sold the two stones was not telling the truth.
I was part of that auction (as a bidder, not the auctioneer) and
was told these were the circumstances and then the results of the
auction.
(This was well after you had implied to me you had the
barn stone, yourself firmly and stated it wasn't for sale,
period.)
This, after I had asked about it twice earlier in about a
3 week period, you SPECIFICALLY stated:

" Let's try this again - I will clarify it for you. When I last told
you
the stone was not going anywhere anytime soon, it was intended
to get to the bottom line: THE STONE IS ABSOLUTELY NOT
FOR SALE. There is nothing more to talk about.
When I said I wasn't interested in talking about it (but if you
insist...) - but was trying to be a nice guy responding to your barrage
of tenacity and insistence, it was because IT IS NOT FOR SALE. The
situation will be the same in Tucson."

Perhaps I was foolish to read the above as you having the
stone
(which I had asked twice), as it certainly sounded like it to me. In
fact,
It sounds SO MUCH like that that I can only conclude your intentions
Were, in fact, meant to mislead me into thinking
1) you had it and
2) You were not going to sell it under any circumstances -
NEITHER of which were true. Apparently you thought it would keep
me away from further inquiring in other directions which would leave the
door open for you getting it later. I really don't know any other way to
read your above statements. Otherwise, why not just ORIGINALLY state
"I don't have it?"

So, now is difficult to determine what you mean, exactly
when
you state, "Michaels quoted statement is inaccurate" as, once again, you
Evade directness in communicating about the barn stone.
Now, if my statement regarding the auction of the barn hammer
and
the stone that fell at the feet of the witness was inaccurate, perhaps
you
would enlighten us SPECIFICALLY as to what, EXACTLY in my statement,
was "not true?"
Are you saying the two stones were not auctioned off together?
Are you saying they sold for a different price than I quoted?
Are you saying the person in the barn is not the same person
that saw
a stone land near his feet?
Are you saying their combined weight was not approximately 51g?
What EXACTLY are you saying when you state, "Michaels quoted
statement is inaccurate?"

Please do enlighten us.
Michael




On 1/1/10 2:07 AM, "Mexico Doug" <mexicodoug at aim.com> wrote:

> Michael B. wrote:
>
> "The barn stone was coupled with the stone that fell at the feet of
the
> barn owner."
>
> Michael's quoted statement is inaccurate. (Kindly note that my comment
> and his quote are both unrelated to the stone being sold in the ad).
>
> Many nice collectors asked me about this, and I am sorry my own
> challenges didn't allow me to answer most. I had nothing to do with
the
> sale, and am now crying my eyes out over the billowin' crinolines on
> Maryann's flip side.
>
> Kindest wishes in the New Year,
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD- Ash Creek House hitter Entire HAMMER
> STONE
>
>
> Greetings all,
> I now own the only House Hitter hammer stone from the
> Ash Creek fall. If you recall, there were two grave yard stones,
> One damn stone, one barn stone and one house stone.
>
> ( The barn stone was coupled with the stone that fell at
> the feet of the barn owner who at first thought his girlfriend
> Was teasing him by tossing a rock near him - The two stones
> Which together totaled about 51grams, sold in an ad hoc auction
> by phone. The Winning bidder paid $4,600 for the two. The seller
> Would not sell either separately).
>
> While I certainly would love to keep this entire house hitter,
> My finances demand I sell it. I could make more cutting it up,
> but it is one of the more impressive specimens I have seen and
> Will be heartbroken if I have to "slice and dice" this beauty. Note
> The embedded grit of the roof shingle on the "face" of the stone.
> It is 124 gr. See it here from 4 different angles:
>
> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Conglomerate.jpg
>
> Serious offers only, please. Off line, of course.
> Best wishes, Michael
>
>
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  2 13:48:05 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:48:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite deaths in Qingyang (Ch'ing-yang)
	in	1490
Message-ID: <19337276.1262458085391.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I agree, Jim. That's a helluva idea. 
Guido

-----Original Message-----
>From: meteoriteman at comcast.net
>Sent: Jan 2, 2010 6:45 AM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite deaths in Qingyang (Ch'ing-yang) in	1490
>
>
>This Qingyang story sounds like an opportunity for the "Meteorite Men" series. It would be a great episode for Geoff and Steve to go there and uncover the story in detail, and possibly find some of the meteorites.
>
>Jim K
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sat Jan  2 14:37:27 2010
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:37:27 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Meteoritics and Planetary Science 2008 Set
Message-ID: <83ED0C22107D4E49B40FE744A08BF48C@Bandli1>

Dear List:

I need to clear some room in the book case and have the entire 2008 set of
Meteoritics and Planetary Science available. Price is $65, which includes
Flat Rate Priority Mail shipping anywhere in the US. International shipping
isn't available, sorry, as this box weighs over 15 pounds! Please contact me
privately if you would like it.

Cheers,

Mike Bandli

-----------------------------------
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Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA?#5765
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From moritzkarl at t-online.de  Sat Jan  2 16:01:39 2010
From: moritzkarl at t-online.de (Moritz Karl)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:01:39 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending in 1 day
Message-ID: <000601ca8bee$c734bd00$559e3700$@de>

Dear List,

First of all I would like to wish everyone a Happy New Year.
May the new year be prosperous and filled with health for you and your
families.
Thank you to everyone who purchased specimens from me through the past year
on and off ebay.

My first batch of auctions in this year are ending in approx. 24 hours.
There are 21 auctions all still at bargain prices:

See them all here:

http://stores.ebay.com/mos-meteorites

Or through my website:

http://www.m3t3orites.com/ebay.php

Hit the refresh button if there are no auctions listed!

Some auction highlights:

- 2.29 gram partslice of Albin pallasite
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110475136437

- 0.07 gram partslice of Appley Bridge
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110475137252

- 0.03 gram fragment of Bells - Carbonaceous from Texas
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110475138576

- 14.4 gram polished partslice of Bondoc Mesosiderite
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110475140039

- 0.72 gram partslice of Dar al Gani 400 - a lunar meteorite
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110475144025

- 4.77 gram polished slice of Dhofar 007 (EUC)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110475145524

- 21.2 gram etched Glorieta Mountain siderite partslice
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110475150314

- 139.4 gram etched Mundrabilla cube with a side length of 28.3 mm
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110475153513

- 2.19 gram etched endpiece of NWA 4024 (AWIN)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110475154040

- 9.23 gram polished slice of a CO3 - NWA 5794
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110475154866

- 0.01 gram fragment of Orgueil (CI1)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110475155309

- 27.3 gram etched partslice of the Zaragoza iron from Spain
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110475157870


Thank you everyone for looking and Good Luck to anyone bidding.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Kind Regards
Moritz Karl
Germany

Visit mo's meteorites at
http://www.m3t3orites.com





From pierremariepele at yahoo.fr  Sat Jan  2 17:32:24 2010
From: pierremariepele at yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Pel=E9_Pierre-Marie?=)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:32:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Information about the 1938 Aztec meteorite fall in
	NM
Message-ID: <418587.79143.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hello List and happy new year to all of you. I wish you to find new meteorites in 2010.

I'm searching for information including history of fall and strewnfield about the Aztec chondrite which fell in 1938 in New Mexico.

If anybody has these, could you send them by email to me ?

Many thanks in advance,

Pierre-Marie Pele
www.meteor-center.com


      



From gmhupe at htn.net  Sat Jan  2 18:39:51 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:39:51 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2010 Goodies - Auctions Ending - AD
Message-ID: <7DD1EC35DE92454BA2CBCE2A47BB3E9B@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

Bringing in the New Year, I would like to draw your attention to my eBay 
auctions ending tomorrow (Sunday, January 3, 2010). As anticipated during 
the holiday weekend, most of my 16 meteorite auctions are still at their 
opening offer of just 99 cents. I would encourage anyone who is interested 
in 'less than cost' Planetaries, Achondrites and other Desirable meteorites 
to check out what I have to offer.

Also included in these auctions is a highly collectible Park Forest "Garza 
Impact Artifact Kit" from the most famous Park Forest Hammer Stone, "The 
Garza Stone" (actual micro sample from the Garza Stone included!).

To see all that is ending, please click here: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

I wish Everyone a Wonderful start to the New Year!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault




From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 22:37:57 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:37:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Smallest Chergach Meteorite? (fully fusion crusted)
Message-ID: <826524.52479.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hey to all in the meteorite world!

I was wondering what the smallest fully crusted Chergach meteorite is.
I have 2 little ones, .14g and .18g both are fully crusted individuals.
To look at them makes you wonder just how many of these were not found!

Here are my 2 mini chergach.
.14g is on the left, .18g on the right
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF3039.jpg


Im sure someone has one smaller, how little is the smallest?
Must be fully crusted!!!

Greg C.


      


From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  3 02:25:50 2010
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:25:50 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Russian Spacecraft May Knock Away Asteroid
Message-ID: <COL108-W594AB39BC6B64F7E6A35129B750@phx.gbl>


I've always wondered about this method. Suppose the Russians, or anybody for that matter, hits the asteroid but just makes it worse. Suppose the missile knocks it off course but it comes back sooner and is really going to hit the Earth. Suppose there are tiny people living on Apophis and they discover we are shooting at them and they decide to shoot back?

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/healthscience/2009/December/Russian-Spacecraft-May-Knock-Away-Asteroid/

I've been watching The Twilight Zone marathon the last few days and am very tired. Good night and Happy New Year to all.

Carl
 		 	   		  
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From mlblood at cox.net  Sun Jan  3 03:12:12 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 00:12:12 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Member Photos
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W594AB39BC6B64F7E6A35129B750@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C765915C.A5ED%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi All,
        We now have 249 members' photos at:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends08.html

If you're not there, please send me a JPG of your face and you
Will be recognizable to people reading your posts.
        Our latest member of  Meteorite Friends Page is
Count  Deiro. Now, when the Count posts, anyone can look to
See from whom the post was sent - and the same for 249 of what
I now am given to understand is about 1,000. (everyone can be
looked up easily as the page is arranged in alphabetical order
by FIRST name). 
        So, you other 751, get a JPG of your face to me off list & join
us face to face. 
        Best wishes, Michael





From mlblood at cox.net  Sun Jan  3 03:15:44 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 00:15:44 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] PS RE Member Photos
In-Reply-To: <C765915C.A5ED%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C7659230.A5F0%mlblood@cox.net>

One last thing....
        Someone once kiddingly stated they didn't like to
Go the the Friends Page because they always had
To see Adam Hupe's photo first.
        So, if there are any meteorite list people out
There named Aardvark, please sign up immediately!
        Michael


On 1/3/10 12:12 AM, "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
>         We now have 249 members' photos at:
> 
> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends08.html
> 
> If you're not there, please send me a JPG of your face and you
> Will be recognizable to people reading your posts.
>         Our latest member of  Meteorite Friends Page is
> Count  Deiro. Now, when the Count posts, anyone can look to
> See from whom the post was sent - and the same for 249 of what
> I now am given to understand is about 1,000. (everyone can be
> looked up easily as the page is arranged in alphabetical order
> by FIRST name). 
>         So, you other 751, get a JPG of your face to me off list & join
> us face to face. 
>         Best wishes, Michael
> 
> 
> 
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From michael at rocksfromspace.org  Sun Jan  3 06:37:42 2010
From: michael at rocksfromspace.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 03:37:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 3,
	2010
Message-ID: <1018337546.454521262518662871.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/greghupewhetstone.html



From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 11:05:18 2010
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 08:05:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2 freebies and odds and ends (AD)
Message-ID: <735552.77525.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good morning list.I decided to do this one post,because of after christmas and new years clean up's. All?40 tektites have finally been all sent out to all who chimed in.I only?had 34 responses so some of you got an extra tektite. Also Today I have 2 freebies to help clean up some clutter around here.I have a 30 gram unclassified stone slice with crust on top and I am also givaing away one of joe's meteorwrongs.It is a 75 gram endcut.I could not sell it,so it will go to a good home.Free shipping for these 2 items as usual.4 weeks till tucson.It would be nice to know who is all going.Have a great day.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! chicagometeorites.net/ 


From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  3 11:26:53 2010
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:26:53 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2 freebies and odds and ends (AD)
In-Reply-To: <735552.77525.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <735552.77525.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT102-W63CB0A1B6CA492B0E6F0E0A2750@phx.gbl>


steve arnold stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com 
Wed Dec 23 14:07:01 EST 2009 

Good afternoon list.I just want to extend a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone on this list,including the naysayers.I have never nor will I ever hold a grudge against anyone.Life is to short for any of the down times that go on this list.Lets just do meteorites that way we can avoid unnecessary crap.I also hope everyone who has gotten freebies have enjoyed them as much as I have given them away.I still have to send out the tektites.They will finally be going out this week.Also finally I will not be reachable by this list till tucson.Privately I will be,but not thru the list.Again to all a great holiday season, and see many of you in tucson. 
 Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! chicagometeorites.net/ 

 
 
 

> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 08:05:18 -0800
> From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] 2 freebies and odds and ends (AD)
> 
> Good morning list.I decided to do this one post,because of after christmas and new years clean up's. All 40 tektites have finally been all sent out to all who chimed in.I only had 34 responses so some of you got an extra tektite. Also Today I have 2 freebies to help clean up some clutter around here.I have a 30 gram unclassified stone slice with crust on top and I am also givaing away one of joe's meteorwrongs.It is a 75 gram endcut.I could not sell it,so it will go to a good home.Free shipping for these 2 items as usual.4 weeks till tucson.It would be nice to know who is all going.Have a great day.
>  Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! chicagometeorites.net/  		 	   		  
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From oxytropidoceras at cox.net  Sun Jan  3 12:36:16 2010
From: oxytropidoceras at cox.net (Paul Heinrich)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:36:16 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Yardangs On Mars
Message-ID: <4B40D590.6000407@cox.net>

Clarke, J. (2009) Yardangs in Australia and on Mars. IAG
Planetary Geomorphology Working Group Featured Image,
Jan. 2010,

http://www.psi.edu/pgwg/images/jan10image.html

Fenton, L. (2008) Yardangs on Earth and Mars. IAG Planetary
Geomorphology Working Group Featured Image, Sept. 2008,

http://www.psi.edu/pgwg/images/sep08image.html

Past images and captions are available at:

http://www.psi.edu/pgwg/images/index.html

Yours,

Paul H.


From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  3 18:48:55 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 15:48:55 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
Message-ID: <SNT117-W5085AD2FCDF758AA45A4AFD2750@phx.gbl>



Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery

Greg S.

http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241



By: Stacey Kaiser
s.kaiser at krdotv.com
Follow me on Twitter at www.twitter.com/staceykaiser

COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of space rock, or ice from a plane?? Fire investigators cannot rule anything out as the cause of a hole in the roof of Red Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado Avenue in Colorado Springs. 

"I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I looked up and there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock Lounge owner Karol Sandvig.? Sandvig noticed the hole when she first walked into her bar, then she saw a note from her bartender.? "Karol, I had to call the cops because something came through the roof and there was a loud boom," said a note from Bartender Tammy Newland. 

Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm Wednesday.? They told Newland the boom was heard from their station a few streets away.? "It scared everybody.? Everybody was off their seats pretty quick. I don't think I've seen some of the people in here move that quick," said Newland. 

But the big question is, what caused this massive boom and 3-inch hole in the ceiling?? "We tried to rule out things such as lightning, something falling from the sky like a piece of space rock like a small meteorite and we weren't able to rule out anything," said Colorado Springs Fire Department Battalion Chief Steven Dubay. 

STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt Meister says he was at the station until about 1:00AM and did not see any lightning.? It could be a space rock, but investigators have seen no sign of a rock.? And the hole is too big to be from a bullet. 

Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin their New Year's Eve celebration.? The landlord said he will be out to fix the hole.
 		 	   		  
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan  3 19:05:23 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 0:05:23 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W5085AD2FCDF758AA45A4AFD2750@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20100104000523.KKQIS.779789.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Quick....someone check behind the Jukebox!!!

---- Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> 
> Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> 
> Greg S.
> 
> http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241
> 
> 
> 
> By: Stacey Kaiser
> s.kaiser at krdotv.com
> Follow me on Twitter at www.twitter.com/staceykaiser
> 
> COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of space rock, or ice from a plane?? Fire investigators cannot rule anything out as the cause of a hole in the roof of Red Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado Avenue in Colorado Springs. 
> 
> "I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I looked up and there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock Lounge owner Karol Sandvig.? Sandvig noticed the hole when she first walked into her bar, then she saw a note from her bartender.? "Karol, I had to call the cops because something came through the roof and there was a loud boom," said a note from Bartender Tammy Newland. 
> 
> Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm Wednesday.? They told Newland the boom was heard from their station a few streets away.? "It scared everybody.? Everybody was off their seats pretty quick. I don't think I've seen some of the people in here move that quick," said Newland. 
> 
> But the big question is, what caused this massive boom and 3-inch hole in the ceiling?? "We tried to rule out things such as lightning, something falling from the sky like a piece of space rock like a small meteorite and we weren't able to rule out anything," said Colorado Springs Fire Department Battalion Chief Steven Dubay. 
> 
> STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt Meister says he was at the station until about 1:00AM and did not see any lightning.? It could be a space rock, but investigators have seen no sign of a rock.? And the hole is too big to be from a bullet. 
> 
> Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin their New Year's Eve celebration.? The landlord said he will be out to fix the hole.
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From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 19:40:02 2010
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:40:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
In-Reply-To: <20100104000523.KKQIS.779789.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <393263.92082.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How  about the center pockets of the pool table? or one of the customer pockets lol!
Cheers
Steve

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Greg Stanley" <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 6:05 PM
> Quick....someone check behind the
> Jukebox!!!
> 
> ---- Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> > 
> > Greg S.
> > 
> > http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > By: Stacey Kaiser
> > s.kaiser at krdotv.com
> > Follow me on Twitter at www.twitter.com/staceykaiser
> > 
> > COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of
> space rock, or ice from a plane?? Fire investigators cannot
> rule anything out as the cause of a hole in the roof of Red
> Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado Avenue in Colorado Springs.
> 
> > 
> > "I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I
> looked up and there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock
> Lounge owner Karol Sandvig.? Sandvig noticed the hole when
> she first walked into her bar, then she saw a note from her
> bartender.? "Karol, I had to call the cops because
> something came through the roof and there was a loud boom,"
> said a note from Bartender Tammy Newland. 
> > 
> > Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm Wednesday.? They
> told Newland the boom was heard from their station a few
> streets away.? "It scared everybody.? Everybody was off
> their seats pretty quick. I don't think I've seen some of
> the people in here move that quick," said Newland. 
> > 
> > But the big question is, what caused this massive boom
> and 3-inch hole in the ceiling?? "We tried to rule out
> things such as lightning, something falling from the sky
> like a piece of space rock like a small meteorite and we
> weren't able to rule out anything," said Colorado Springs
> Fire Department Battalion Chief Steven Dubay. 
> > 
> > STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt Meister says
> he was at the station until about 1:00AM and did not see any
> lightning.? It could be a space rock, but investigators
> have seen no sign of a rock.? And the hole is too big to be
> from a bullet. 
> > 
> > Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin
> their New Year's Eve celebration.? The landlord said he
> will be out to fix the hole.
> >? ???
> ????????
> ?????? ???
> ? 
> >
> _________________________________________________________________
> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by
> Microsoft.
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 19:35:48 2010
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:35:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2010 Meteorite Finds!
Message-ID: <80659e1a1001031635p12a038e6nb98aab7c533f8273@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

If I'm not mistaken here are the first American meteorite finds of the
year :-)  Definately my first finds of the year - January 2, 2010.

Look here:

http://www.mr-meteorite.net/

or here

http://www.mr-meteorite.net/2010meteoritefinds.htm
-- 
Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u


From minador at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 19:47:42 2010
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:47:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2010 Meteorite Finds!
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a1001031635p12a038e6nb98aab7c533f8273@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80659e1a1001031635p12a038e6nb98aab7c533f8273@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <683757.38739.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Contratulations Ruben &?Ruben Jr!? I look forward to reading more of Garcias' trips!? Thanks for sharing with us.

Happy hunting in 2010 & rock on!

Mark B.
Vail, Az

----- Original Message ----
From: Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com>
To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 5:35:48 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2010 Meteorite Finds!

Hi all,

If I'm not mistaken here are the first American meteorite finds of the
year :-)? Definately my first finds of the year - January 2, 2010.

Look here:

http://www.mr-meteorite.net/

or here

http://www.mr-meteorite.net/2010meteoritefinds.htm
-- 
Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  3 20:12:31 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:12:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
Message-ID: <18304179.1262567551157.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Actually, it was an icy frag from a comet, and it landed in a patron's double Scotch and water, and he drank it, ....and...and ...and then it was gone. :o)

Guido 

-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jan 3, 2010 7:40 PM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
>
>How  about the center pockets of the pool table? or one of the customer pockets lol!
>Cheers
>Steve
>
>--- On Sun, 1/3/10, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Greg Stanley" <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 6:05 PM
>> Quick....someone check behind the
>> Jukebox!!!
>> 
>> ---- Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
>> > 
>> > Greg S.
>> > 
>> > http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > By: Stacey Kaiser
>> > s.kaiser at krdotv.com
>> > Follow me on Twitter at www.twitter.com/staceykaiser
>> > 
>> > COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of
>> space rock, or ice from a plane?? Fire investigators cannot
>> rule anything out as the cause of a hole in the roof of Red
>> Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado Avenue in Colorado Springs.
>> 
>> > 
>> > "I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I
>> looked up and there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock
>> Lounge owner Karol Sandvig.? Sandvig noticed the hole when
>> she first walked into her bar, then she saw a note from her
>> bartender.? "Karol, I had to call the cops because
>> something came through the roof and there was a loud boom,"
>> said a note from Bartender Tammy Newland. 
>> > 
>> > Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm Wednesday.? They
>> told Newland the boom was heard from their station a few
>> streets away.? "It scared everybody.? Everybody was off
>> their seats pretty quick. I don't think I've seen some of
>> the people in here move that quick," said Newland. 
>> > 
>> > But the big question is, what caused this massive boom
>> and 3-inch hole in the ceiling?? "We tried to rule out
>> things such as lightning, something falling from the sky
>> like a piece of space rock like a small meteorite and we
>> weren't able to rule out anything," said Colorado Springs
>> Fire Department Battalion Chief Steven Dubay. 
>> > 
>> > STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt Meister says
>> he was at the station until about 1:00AM and did not see any
>> lightning.? It could be a space rock, but investigators
>> have seen no sign of a rock.? And the hole is too big to be
>> from a bullet. 
>> > 
>> > Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin
>> their New Year's Eve celebration.? The landlord said he
>> will be out to fix the hole.
>> >? ???
>> ????????
>> ?????? ???
>> ? 
>> >
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by
>> Microsoft.
>> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
>> > ______________________________________________
>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> 
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>
>
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From mlblood at cox.net  Sun Jan  3 20:13:10 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:13:10 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Friends Page
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W5085AD2FCDF758AA45A4AFD2750@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C76680A6.A637%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi All,
        Those of you who care to check my Meteorite Friends Page will
Find the following new images up: Linda Morgan-O'Connor, Ric
Morgan-O'Connor, Dave Myers, Mike Antonelli, Brady Olds,
Bob Loeffler and Dr. Arnaud Mignan at:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends08.html

        Now, only about 744 to go.....
        If you are one of them - send a jpg of yr face inta me an'
I'll puterup there.
        Best wishes, Michael




From oxytropidoceras at cox.net  Sun Jan  3 20:31:38 2010
From: oxytropidoceras at cox.net (Paul Heinrich)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:31:38 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Two extraterrestrial dust horizons found in the
	Dome Fuji ice core
Message-ID: <4B4144FA.9060004@cox.net>




Misawa, K., M. Kohno, T. Tomiyama, T. Noguchi, T. Nakamura,
K. Nagao, T.Mikouchi, and K. Nishiizumi, 2010, Two extraterrestrial
dust horizons found in the Dome Fuji ice core, East Antarctica. Earth
and Planetary Science Letters. vol. 289, no. 1-2, pp. 287-297.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.epsl.2009.11.016

In part the abstract reads,

"Two silicate-rich dust layers were found in the Dome Fuji ice core
in East Antarctica, at Marine Isotope Stages 12 and 13. Morphologies,
textures, and chemical compositions of constituent particles reveal
that they are high-temperature melting products and are of
extraterrestrial origin. Because similar layers were found approximately
2000 km east of Dome Fuji, at EPICA (European Project for Ice
Coring in Antarctica)-Dome C, particles must have rained down
over a wide area 434 and 481 ka."

Mention is also made of these dust horizons in:

Narcisi, B., J. Robert Petit, and B. Delmonte, nd, Quaternary Science
Reviews, Article in Press, Corrected Proof

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.quascirev.2009.07.009

A related paper that is available online as a PDF fils is:

Duprat , J., C. Engrand , M. Maurette , G. Kurat , M. Gounelle ,
and C. Hammer, 2007, Micrometeorites from Central Antarctic snow:
The CONCORDIA collection. Advances in Space Research. vol. 39,
pp. 605?611.

Abstract at http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.asr.2006.05.029

PDF file at:

http://www2.mnhn.fr/hdt205/leme/doc/2007%20Duprat%20et%20al.%20ASR.pdf

Yours,

Paul H.



From magellon.ken at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 20:45:48 2010
From: magellon.ken at gmail.com (Ken Newton)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:45:48 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
In-Reply-To: <18304179.1262567551157.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <18304179.1262567551157.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <c626e3e81001031745r139585dan4dc89c8d51dcd648@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmm. Loud boom, prior to New Years. Explosives?

On 1/3/10, countdeiro at earthlink.net <countdeiro at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Actually, it was an icy frag from a comet, and it landed in a patron's
> double Scotch and water, and he drank it, ....and...and ...and then it was
> gone. :o)
>
> Guido
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Jan 3, 2010 7:40 PM
>>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, Greg Stanley
>> <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
>>
>>How  about the center pockets of the pool table? or one of the customer
>> pockets lol!
>>Cheers
>>Steve
>>
>>--- On Sun, 1/3/10, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a
>>> Mystery
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Greg Stanley"
>>> <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 6:05 PM
>>> Quick....someone check behind the
>>> Jukebox!!!
>>>
>>> ---- Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
>>> >
>>> > Greg S.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > By: Stacey Kaiser
>>> > s.kaiser at krdotv.com
>>> > Follow me on Twitter at www.twitter.com/staceykaiser
>>> >
>>> > COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of
>>> space rock, or ice from a plane?? Fire investigators cannot
>>> rule anything out as the cause of a hole in the roof of Red
>>> Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado Avenue in Colorado Springs.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > "I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I
>>> looked up and there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock
>>> Lounge owner Karol Sandvig.? Sandvig noticed the hole when
>>> she first walked into her bar, then she saw a note from her
>>> bartender.? "Karol, I had to call the cops because
>>> something came through the roof and there was a loud boom,"
>>> said a note from Bartender Tammy Newland.
>>> >
>>> > Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm Wednesday.? They
>>> told Newland the boom was heard from their station a few
>>> streets away.? "It scared everybody.? Everybody was off
>>> their seats pretty quick. I don't think I've seen some of
>>> the people in here move that quick," said Newland.
>>> >
>>> > But the big question is, what caused this massive boom
>>> and 3-inch hole in the ceiling?? "We tried to rule out
>>> things such as lightning, something falling from the sky
>>> like a piece of space rock like a small meteorite and we
>>> weren't able to rule out anything," said Colorado Springs
>>> Fire Department Battalion Chief Steven Dubay.
>>> >
>>> > STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt Meister says
>>> he was at the station until about 1:00AM and did not see any
>>> lightning.? It could be a space rock, but investigators
>>> have seen no sign of a rock.? And the hole is too big to be
>>> from a bullet.
>>> >
>>> > Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin
>>> their New Year's Eve celebration.? The landlord said he
>>> will be out to fix the hole.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by
>>> Microsoft.
>>> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
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>>
>>
>>
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From Impactika at aol.com  Sun Jan  3 22:11:51 2010
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:11:51 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - A lot of new Thin-Sections
Message-ID: <c7d.5ff769bc.3872b677@aol.com>

Hello everybody,
 
I hope everybody had nice holidays and weekends and made it back home. Here 
skiers are slowly sliding down the mountains and into town. Yes, it is 
snowing. Again.
 
But no problem here.
I just revised and updated the Thin-Section page on my site. I changed a 
lot of prices, they are flagged in red now. And I added some 40 new 
thin-sections, with great pictures of course (Thank you John!). There are some amazing 
things on those thin-sections, just take a look at the Richfield, there is 
a chondrule there that looks as if it was made of turquoise. In fact it 
looks like a piece of Zuni jewelry. 
 
Go look for yourselves: _http://www.impactika.com/TSlist.htm_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/TSlist.htm) 
 
Any questions, just let me know.

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
http://www.imca.cc/


From geozay at aol.com  Sun Jan  3 22:21:21 2010
From: geozay at aol.com (geozay at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:21:21 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
Message-ID: <17a44.3d4081cd.3872b8b1@aol.com>



>>Hmmm. Loud boom, prior to New Years.  Explosives?<<

Perhaps somebody shooting a hole thru the ceiling  from inside?
GeoZay  



From damoclid at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 22:28:12 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:28:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - A lot of new Thin-Sections
Message-ID: <744977.28419.qm@web113601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Impactika at aol.com <Impactika at aol.com> wrote:

> Hello everybody,
>? 
> I hope everybody had nice holidays and weekends and made it
> back home. Here 
> skiers are slowly sliding down the mountains and into town.
> Yes, it is 
> snowing. Again.

Hi Anne,
looking forward to seeing you again and visiting your room at The Show just a few weeks from now.

More of an enticement than "rubbing it in", it was 70F (21C) here today in sunny Tucson. We had all of our doors and windows open and the cats were enjoying the light breeze and all the interesting scents that wafted in on them. 

:)

--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081





      


From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  3 22:23:29 2010
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:23:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] some nice meteorite you have to see
Message-ID: <538420.83872.qm@web62005.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

hello guys and i hope yu have enjoyed holidays,

well?here is some new meteorite , some deserve to be in a musuem, i m not going to say what they are just guess.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/palmotel/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/

thanks
aziz
?habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170</font> 


      


From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  3 23:28:06 2010
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:28:06 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
In-Reply-To: <c626e3e81001031745r139585dan4dc89c8d51dcd648@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18304179.1262567551157.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>,
	<c626e3e81001031745r139585dan4dc89c8d51dcd648@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT102-W2168B8D2F96EAA52F0F92AA2740@phx.gbl>


Sounds like a case for the Hupes. Do the women have bad teeth? ----------------------------------------> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:45:48 -0500> From: magellon.ken at gmail.com> To: countdeiro at earthlink.net> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery>> Hmmm. Loud boom, prior to New Years. Explosives?>> On 1/3/10, countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote:>> Actually, it was an icy frag from a comet, and it landed in a patron's>> double Scotch and water, and he drank it, ....and...and ...and then it was>> gone. :o)>>>> Guido>>>> -----Original Message----->>>From: Steve Dunklee>>>Sent: Jan 3, 2010 7:40 PM>>>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, Greg Stanley>>> , ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery>>>>>>How about the center pockets of the pool table? or one of the customer>>> pockets lol!>>>Cheers>>>Steve>>>>>>--- On Sun, 1/3/10, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>>> wrote:>>>>>>> From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a>>>> Mystery>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Greg Stanley">>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 6:05 PM>>>> Quick....someone check behind the>>>> Jukebox!!!>>>>>>>> ---- Greg Stanley>>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery>>>>>>>>>> Greg S.>>>>>>>>>> http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By: Stacey Kaiser>>>>> s.kaiser at krdotv.com>>>>> Follow me on Twitter at www.twitter.com/staceykaiser>>>>>>>>>> COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of>>>> space rock, or ice from a plane? Fire investigators cannot>>>> rule anything out as the cause of a hole in the roof of Red>>>> Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado Avenue in Colorado Springs.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I>>>> looked up and there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock>>>> Lounge owner Karol Sandvig. Sandvig noticed the hole when>>>> she first walked into her bar, then she saw a note from her>>>> bartender. "Karol, I had to call the cops because>>>> something came through the roof and there was a loud boom,">>>> said a note from Bartender Tammy Newland.>>>>>>>>>> Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm Wednesday. They>>>> told Newland the boom was heard from their station a few>>>> streets away. "It scared everybody. Everybody was off>>>> their seats pretty quick. I don't think I've seen some of>>>> the people in here move that quick," said Newland.>>>>>>>>>> But the big question is, what caused this massive boom>>>> and 3-inch hole in the ceiling? "We tried to rule out>>>> things such as lightning, something falling from the sky>>>> like a piece of space rock like a small meteorite and we>>>> weren't able to rule out anything," said Colorado Springs>>>> Fire Department Battalion Chief Steven Dubay.>>>>>>>>>> STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt Meister says>>>> he was at the station until about 1:00AM and did not see any>>>> lightning. It could be a space rock, but investigators>>>> have seen no sign of a rock. And the hole is too big to be>>>> from a bullet.>>>>>>>>>> Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin>>>> their New Year's Eve celebration. The landlord said he>>>> will be out to fix the hole.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________>>>>> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by>>>> Microsoft.>>>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/>>>>> ______________________________________________>>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list>>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________>>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list>>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>______________________________________________>>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com>>>Meteorite-list mailing list>>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>>>> ______________________________________________>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com>> Meteorite-list mailing list>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>>> ______________________________________________> http://www.meteoritecentral.com> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 		 	   		  
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From bobl at peaktopeak.com  Sun Jan  3 23:29:48 2010
From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:29:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
In-Reply-To: <17a44.3d4081cd.3872b8b1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100104042953.11BE810566@mailwash5.pair.com>

Maybe someone shot a potato gun into the air, the potato dropped down
through the roof, shredded apart and onto someone's plate of French fries.
They should ask their patrons if anyone had any undercooked fries that
night.  :-)

I wish I had known about this earlier.  I would've driven down there to
check it out, but tomorrow I have to work.  :-(

Bob Loeffler



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>>Hmmm. Loud boom, prior to New Years.  Explosives?<<

Perhaps somebody shooting a hole thru the ceiling  from inside?
GeoZay  

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From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Jan  3 23:34:31 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:34:31 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
References: <18304179.1262567551157.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>,
	<c626e3e81001031745r139585dan4dc89c8d51dcd648@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Bill,

Not sure what you mean here, but you should go to the doctor so if you 
caught the "itch" from that one!

Greg


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From: "bill kies" <parkforestmet at hotmail.com>
To: <magellon.ken at gmail.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery



Sounds like a case for the Hupes. Do the women have bad 
teeth? ----------------------------------------> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 
20:45:48 -0500> From: magellon.ken at gmail.com> To: countdeiro at earthlink.net> 
CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole 
in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery>> Hmmm. Loud boom, prior to New 
Years. Explosives?>> On 1/3/10, countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote:>> Actually, 
it was an icy frag from a comet, and it landed in a patron's>> double Scotch 
and water, and he drank it, ....and...and ...and then it was>> gone. :o)>>>> 
Guido>>>> -----Original Message----->>>From: Steve Dunklee>>>Sent: Jan 3, 
2010 7:40 PM>>>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, Greg Stanley>>> , 
ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock 
Lounge Roof Still a Mystery>>>>>>How about the center pockets of the pool 
table? or one of the customer>>> pockets lol!>>>Cheers>>>Steve>>>>>>--- On 
Sun, 1/3/10, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>>> wrote:>>>>>>> From: 
ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock 
Lounge Roof Still a>>>> Mystery>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, 
"Greg Stanley">>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 6:05 PM>>>> 
Quick....someone check behind the>>>> Jukebox!!!>>>>>>>> ---- Greg 
Stanley>>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a 
Mystery>>>>>>>>>> Greg S.>>>>>>>>>> 
http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By: 
Stacey Kaiser>>>>> s.kaiser at krdotv.com>>>>> Follow me on Twitter at 
www.twitter.com/staceykaiser>>>>>>>>>> COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, 
some sort of>>>> space rock, or ice from a plane? Fire investigators 
cannot>>>> rule anything out as the cause of a hole in the roof of Red>>>> 
Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado Avenue in Colorado Springs.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
"I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I>>>> looked up and there's 
a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock>>>> Lounge owner Karol Sandvig. Sandvig 
noticed the hole when>>>> she first walked into her bar, then she saw a note 
from her>>>> bartender. "Karol, I had to call the cops because>>>> something 
came through the roof and there was a loud boom,">>>> said a note from 
Bartender Tammy Newland.>>>>>>>>>> Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm 
Wednesday. They>>>> told Newland the boom was heard from their station a 
few>>>> streets away. "It scared everybody. Everybody was off>>>> their 
seats pretty quick. I don't think I've seen some of>>>> the people in here 
move that quick," said Newland.>>>>>>>>>> But the big question is, what 
caused this massive boom>>>> and 3-inch hole in the ceiling? "We tried to 
rule out>>>> things such as lightning, something falling from the sky>>>> 
like a piece of space rock like a small meteorite and we>>>> weren't able to 
rule out anything," said Colorado Springs>>>> Fire Department Battalion 
Chief Steven Dubay.>>>>>>>>>> STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt 
Meister says>>>> he was at the station until about 1:00AM and did not see 
any>>>> lightning. It could be a space rock, but investigators>>>> have seen 
no sign of a rock. And the hole is too big to be>>>> from a 
bullet.>>>>>>>>>> Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin>>>> 
their New Year's Eve celebration. The landlord said he>>>> will be out to 
fix the hole.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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From ohtsuka at jb3.so-net.ne.jp  Sun Jan  3 23:56:12 2010
From: ohtsuka at jb3.so-net.ne.jp (Katsu OHTSUKA)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:56:12 +0900
Subject: [meteorite-list] Two extraterrestrial dust horizons found in
	theDome Fuji ice core
References: <4B4144FA.9060004@cox.net>
Message-ID: <EDA895C56ED745818A361721D5978861@KATSU>

Dear Paul,

Thank you for sharing.
All the papers of EPSL Vol.289, issues1-2, 2010 (including Misawa's paper)
would be downloadable for everyone (non-subscriber, too), as free copies.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=PublicationURL&_cdi=5801&_auth=y&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&_pubType=J&md5=52c7e8b29221fe23b6fc7aa3ca3251f1

Katsu OHTSUKA

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To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:31 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Two extraterrestrial dust horizons found in 
theDome Fuji ice core





Misawa, K., M. Kohno, T. Tomiyama, T. Noguchi, T. Nakamura,
K. Nagao, T.Mikouchi, and K. Nishiizumi, 2010, Two extraterrestrial
dust horizons found in the Dome Fuji ice core, East Antarctica. Earth
and Planetary Science Letters. vol. 289, no. 1-2, pp. 287-297.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.epsl.2009.11.016

In part the abstract reads,

"Two silicate-rich dust layers were found in the Dome Fuji ice core
in East Antarctica, at Marine Isotope Stages 12 and 13. Morphologies,
textures, and chemical compositions of constituent particles reveal
that they are high-temperature melting products and are of
extraterrestrial origin. Because similar layers were found approximately
2000 km east of Dome Fuji, at EPICA (European Project for Ice
Coring in Antarctica)-Dome C, particles must have rained down
over a wide area 434 and 481 ka."

Mention is also made of these dust horizons in:

Narcisi, B., J. Robert Petit, and B. Delmonte, nd, Quaternary Science
Reviews, Article in Press, Corrected Proof

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.quascirev.2009.07.009

A related paper that is available online as a PDF fils is:

Duprat , J., C. Engrand , M. Maurette , G. Kurat , M. Gounelle ,
and C. Hammer, 2007, Micrometeorites from Central Antarctic snow:
The CONCORDIA collection. Advances in Space Research. vol. 39,
pp. 605?611.

Abstract at http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.asr.2006.05.029

PDF file at:

http://www2.mnhn.fr/hdt205/leme/doc/2007%20Duprat%20et%20al.%20ASR.pdf

Yours,

Paul H.

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From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  4 00:06:46 2010
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:06:46 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] some nice meteorite you have to see
In-Reply-To: <538420.83872.qm@web62005.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <538420.83872.qm@web62005.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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Looks like a sales pitch Aziz. Stuff an Ad notification in the subject line.
 


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> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:23:29 -0800
> From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] some nice meteorite you have to see
>
> hello guys and i hope yu have enjoyed holidays,
>
> well here is some new meteorite , some deserve to be in a musuem, i m not going to say what they are just guess.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/palmotel/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/
>
> thanks
> aziz
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From parkforestmet at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  4 00:35:06 2010
From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com (bill kies)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:35:06 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
In-Reply-To: <777FC74AFB004ABE8B7FB9E197B73EDD@Gregor>
References: <18304179.1262567551157.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>,
	, <c626e3e81001031745r139585dan4dc89c8d51dcd648@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT102-W2168B8D2F96EAA52F0F92AA2740@phx.gbl>,
	<777FC74AFB004ABE8B7FB9E197B73EDD@Gregor>
Message-ID: <SNT102-W9EE3C9732522487A1B3CBA2740@phx.gbl>


Splish splash
 


----------------------------------------
> From: gmhupe at htn.net
> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com; magellon.ken at gmail.com
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:34:31 -0500
>
> Hello Bill,
>
> Not sure what you mean here, but you should go to the doctor so if you
> caught the "itch" from that one!
>
> Greg
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bill kies" 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
>
>
>
> Sounds like a case for the Hupes. Do the women have bad
> teeth? ----------------------------------------> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010
> 20:45:48 -0500> From: magellon.ken at gmail.com> To: countdeiro at earthlink.net>
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole
> in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery>> Hmmm. Loud boom, prior to New
> Years. Explosives?>> On 1/3/10, countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote:>> Actually,
> it was an icy frag from a comet, and it landed in a patron's>> double Scotch
> and water, and he drank it, ....and...and ...and then it was>> gone. :o)>>>>
> Guido>>>> -----Original Message----->>>From: Steve Dunklee>>>Sent: Jan 3,
> 2010 7:40 PM>>>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, Greg Stanley>>> ,
> ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock
> Lounge Roof Still a Mystery>>>>>>How about the center pockets of the pool
> table? or one of the customer>>> pockets lol!>>>Cheers>>>Steve>>>>>>--- On
> Sun, 1/3/10, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>>> wrote:>>>>>>> From:
> ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock
> Lounge Roof Still a>>>> Mystery>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
> "Greg Stanley">>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 3, 2010, 6:05 PM>>>>
> Quick....someone check behind the>>>> Jukebox!!!>>>>>>>> ---- Greg
> Stanley>>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a
> Mystery>>>>>>>>>> Greg S.>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By:
> Stacey Kaiser>>>>> s.kaiser at krdotv.com>>>>> Follow me on Twitter at
> www.twitter.com/staceykaiser>>>>>>>>>> COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning,
> some sort of>>>> space rock, or ice from a plane? Fire investigators
> cannot>>>> rule anything out as the cause of a hole in the roof of Red>>>>
> Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado Avenue in Colorado Springs.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> "I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I>>>> looked up and there's
> a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock>>>> Lounge owner Karol Sandvig. Sandvig
> noticed the hole when>>>> she first walked into her bar, then she saw a note
> from her>>>> bartender. "Karol, I had to call the cops because>>>> something
> came through the roof and there was a loud boom,">>>> said a note from
> Bartender Tammy Newland.>>>>>>>>>> Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm
> Wednesday. They>>>> told Newland the boom was heard from their station a
> few>>>> streets away. "It scared everybody. Everybody was off>>>> their
> seats pretty quick. I don't think I've seen some of>>>> the people in here
> move that quick," said Newland.>>>>>>>>>> But the big question is, what
> caused this massive boom>>>> and 3-inch hole in the ceiling? "We tried to
> rule out>>>> things such as lightning, something falling from the sky>>>>
> like a piece of space rock like a small meteorite and we>>>> weren't able to
> rule out anything," said Colorado Springs>>>> Fire Department Battalion
> Chief Steven Dubay.>>>>>>>>>> STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt
> Meister says>>>> he was at the station until about 1:00AM and did not see
> any>>>> lightning. It could be a space rock, but investigators>>>> have seen
> no sign of a rock. And the hole is too big to be>>>> from a
> bullet.>>>>>>>>>> Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin>>>>
> their New Year's Eve celebration. The landlord said he>>>> will be out to
> fix the hole.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From rmforall at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 00:51:51 2010
From: rmforall at comcast.net (Rich Murray)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:51:51 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] worth keeping in mind re exotic impacts -- mirror
	matter proposals, Robert T Foot: Rich Murray 2010.01.03
Message-ID: <CC96D360F79C46118A4D90C5968392C4@ownerPC>

worth keeping in mind re exotic impacts -- mirror matter proposals, Robert T 
Foot: Rich Murray 2010.01.03

http://au.arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0203152
Exotic meteoritic phenomena: The Tunguska event and anomalous low altitude 
fireballs -- manifestations of the mirror world?
R. Foot, T. L. Yoon
(Submitted on 11 Mar 2002 (v1), last revised 10 May 2002 (this version, v5))

There are a number of very puzzling meteoritic events including
(a) The Tunguska event.
It is the only known example of a low altitude atmospheric explosion.
It is also the largest recorded event.
Remarkably no fragments or significant chemical traces have ever been 
recovered.
(b) Anomalous low altitude fireballs which (in some cases) have been 
observed to hit the ground.
The absence of fragments is particularly striking in these cases, but this 
is not the only reason they are anomalous.
On the other hand, there is strong evidence that most of our galaxy is made 
from exotic dark material - `dark matter'.
Mirror matter is one well motivated dark matter candidate, since it is dark 
and stable and it is required to exist if particle interactions are mirror 
symmetric.
If mirror matter is the dark matter, then some amount must exist in our 
solar system.
We demonstrate that the mirror matter theory allows for a simple explanation 
for the puzzling meteoritic events [both (a) and (b)] if they are due to 
mirror matter space-bodies.
A direct consequence of this explanation is that mirror matter fragments 
should exist in (or on) the ground at various impact sites.
The properties of this potentially recoverable material depend importantly 
on the sign of the photon-mirror photon kinetic mixing parameter, "epsilon".
We argue that the broad characteristics of the anomalous events suggests 
that "epsilon" is probably negative.
Strategies for detecting mirror matter in the ground are discussed.
Comments:About 25 pages, slight adjustment
Subjects:Astrophysics (astro-ph); Condensed Matter (cond-mat); High Energy 
Physics - Phenomenology (hep-ph); Space Physics (physics.space-ph)
Journal reference:ActaPhys.Polon.B33:1979-2009,2002
Cite as:arXiv:astro-ph/0203152v5
http://au.arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0203/0203152v5.pdf  31 page

most recent published paper:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0909.3126
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0909/0909.3126v2.pdf  11 page

http://www.findanexpert.unimelb.edu.au/researcher/person14116.html
Publications and other information, Robert T. Foot
_____________________________________________________


exact Carolina Bay crater locations, RB Firestone, A West, et al, two
YD reviews, 2008 June, 2009 Nov, also 3 upcoming abstracts:
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From michael at rocksfromspace.org  Mon Jan  4 03:28:43 2010
From: michael at rocksfromspace.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:28:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 4,
	2010
Message-ID: <538710230.520371262593723730.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_4_2010.html



From gmhupe at htn.net  Mon Jan  4 03:45:07 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 03:45:07 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
	4, 2010
References: <538710230.520371262593723730.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5B9C69523404020A123E46136CAA60A@Gregor>

Beautiful photo! Congrats to Mel!!

Greg


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From mpg4444 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 07:46:21 2010
From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 07:46:21 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
Message-ID: <ad733151001040446v3b27c103lc6b11747359d02fb@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241

Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery

By: Stacey Kaiser
s.kaiser at krdotv.com
Follow me on Twitter at www.twitter.com/staceykaiser

COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of space rock, or ice
from a plane?  Fire investigators cannot rule anything out as the
cause of a hole in the roof of Red Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado
Avenue in Colorado Springs.

"I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I looked up and
there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock Lounge owner Karol
Sandvig.  Sandvig noticed the hole when she first walked into her bar,
then she saw a note from her bartender.  "Karol, I had to call the
cops because something came through the roof and there was a loud
boom," said a note from Bartender Tammy Newland.

Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm Wednesday.  They told Newland the
boom was heard from their station a few streets away.  "It scared
everybody.  Everybody was off their seats pretty quick. I don't think
I've seen some of the people in here move that quick," said Newland.

But the big question is, what caused this massive boom and 3-inch hole
in the ceiling?  "We tried to rule out things such as lightning,
something falling from the sky like a piece of space rock like a small
meteorite and we weren't able to rule out anything," said Colorado
Springs Fire Department Battalion Chief Steven Dubay.

STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt Meister says he was at the
station until about 1:00AM and did not see any lightning.  It could be
a space rock, but investigators have seen no sign of a rock.  And the
hole is too big to be from a bullet.

Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin their New Year's
Eve celebration.  The landlord said he will be out to fix the hole.


From pshugar at clearwire.net  Mon Jan  4 10:46:31 2010
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:46:31 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question
Message-ID: <4D597A594EED4E669D55FF02D2DC8729@laptop>

Quick------ Who was the king at Ensisheim?
I need it for the presentation.
Pete




From fujmon at mac.com  Mon Jan  4 10:57:58 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:57:58 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question
In-Reply-To: <4D597A594EED4E669D55FF02D2DC8729@laptop>
References: <4D597A594EED4E669D55FF02D2DC8729@laptop>
Message-ID: <3FF0A67F-0E7C-45D6-927E-31555C82AC72@mac.com>

Maximilion (1459-1519)

On Jan 4, 2010, at 5:46 AM, Pete Shugar wrote:

> Quick------ Who was the king at Ensisheim?
> I need it for the presentation.
> Pete
> 
> 
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Mon Jan  4 11:00:58 2010
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 04 Jan 2010 16:00:58 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re-2:  Question
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000C600004399@paulinet.de>

> Maximilion (1459-1519)

=> Maximil i a n <=

Bernd



From fujmon at mac.com  Mon Jan  4 11:05:21 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 06:05:21 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question
In-Reply-To: <4D597A594EED4E669D55FF02D2DC8729@laptop>
References: <4D597A594EED4E669D55FF02D2DC8729@laptop>
Message-ID: <E4DF1F6F-AAC6-469E-8C7F-938A7328A542@mac.com>

Oops, misspelled.  That should be Maximilian.  

Here is an excerpt from MAPS 42, Nr 9 supplement B3-B68:

The 280-pound stone that fell at Ensisheim on November 7, 1492 is the only one in Chladni's pre-eighteenth-century lit of which specimens are preserved today.  This stone quickly became famous because it caught the attention of a king - Maximilian (1459-1519), the "Roman King," who was heir apparent to the Holy Roman Emperor, Friedrich III.  Maximilian was leading his army toward Ensisheim, a Free Imperial City of the Hapsburgs, on his way to battle the French.  On his arrival, he sent for the stone and asked his advisors what it meant.  After solemn reflections, they told him, as clever advisors have done throughout history, that the stone was a pledge of God's favor to him.  Greatly pleased, Maximilian returned the stone to the citizens of Ensisheim with orders to preserve it in their church as a memorial of this great, miraculous event.

gary

On Jan 4, 2010, at 5:46 AM, Pete Shugar wrote:

> Quick------ Who was the king at Ensisheim?
> I need it for the presentation.
> Pete
> 
> 
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From peterscherff at rcn.com  Mon Jan  4 10:59:15 2010
From: peterscherff at rcn.com (peterscherff at rcn.com)
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 2010 10:59:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question
Message-ID: <20100104105915.BYO49539@ms19.lnh.mail.rcn.net>

Hi,

Maximillian I Holy Roman Emperor.

Thanks,

Peter


From fujmon at mac.com  Mon Jan  4 11:09:26 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 06:09:26 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re-2:  Question
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000000C600004399@paulinet.de>
References: <DIIE.000000C600004399@paulinet.de>
Message-ID: <A76AE974-3799-4F99-80CE-A9E902FB03A5@mac.com>

Ha!  You caught my Freudian slip Berndt!  Perhaps while attempting to balance my checkbook, my wishful thinking permeated my response to Pete's question.  

gary

On Jan 4, 2010, at 6:00 AM, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote:

>> Maximilion (1459-1519)
> 
> => Maximil i a n <=
> 
> Bernd
> 
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From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Mon Jan  4 11:12:15 2010
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:12:15 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re-2:  Question
Message-ID: <808672327-1262621534-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-779697951-@bda673.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Bernd...no "t". Those iPhones are hard to type on.
LOL.
BTW I have one slice of Ensisheim left, see here:
http://www.mhmeteorites.com/museum_gallery.html.

Matt
------Original Message------
From: Gary Fujihara
Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
To: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2:  Question
Sent: Jan 4, 2010 9:09 AM

Ha!  You caught my Freudian slip Berndt!  Perhaps while attempting to balance my checkbook, my wishful thinking permeated my response to Pete's question.  

gary

On Jan 4, 2010, at 6:00 AM, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de wrote:

>> Maximilion (1459-1519)
> 
> => Maximil i a n <=
> 
> Bernd
> 
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From info at meteoritenhaus.de  Mon Jan  4 11:07:15 2010
From: info at meteoritenhaus.de (Andreas Gren)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:07:15 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question
In-Reply-To: <4D597A594EED4E669D55FF02D2DC8729@laptop>
Message-ID: <Q021a4m04F4Qgv.RZmta@mo-p00-ob.rzone.de>


>Quick------ Who was the king at Ensisheim?


Zelimir Gabelica!!!

Greetings
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From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 12:52:28 2010
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:52:28 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] ad/web site update and Ebay
	auctions....Admire...Brfenham ...Glorieta..Toluca ...Nantan
	and more.
Message-ID: <468bf6051001040952i1a3e56f9ha74d9a79466d3bdb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone I have added some bigger and smaller slices of Admire
to the site, These are about as big as I will have to offer so if you
are looking for a big slice this is the time. You can take a look at
my whats new page http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm  I
am also running some Ebay auctions under my Name Flattoprocks you can
see them here http://shop.ebay.com/flattoprocks/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340
 My wife also has some meteorites running under her Ebay name as well
flatop-2 and you can see them here
 http://shop.ebay.com/flatop-2/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340
 Thanks for looking and may you all have a great 2010.

-- 
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     928-753-6825


From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Mon Jan  4 12:03:47 2010
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:03:47 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question
In-Reply-To: <4D597A594EED4E669D55FF02D2DC8729@laptop>
References: <4D597A594EED4E669D55FF02D2DC8729@laptop>
Message-ID: <201001041703.o04H3LUY028423@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi Pete,

For more details on Maximilian 1st, see here:

http://www.luminarium.org/encyclopedia/emperormaximilian.htm

The episode of his venue to Ensisheim to inquire 
about the famous "stone that fell from the skies" 
is not mentioned, probably considered as a detail 
in regard with all the other (more important ?) emperor's achievements.
But what Gary had summarized in one of his replies is correct.

This being, if your question is related to the 
"King of the last Ensisheim meteorite show" (June 
2009), it must be....either Alain Carion (who 
received the "Golden Meteorite medal" for his 
life achievements related to meteorites) 
or...Perhaps the dino who is watching him from behind.
See the site of Hanno Strufe, page 1, picture 8, here:

>http://www.strufe.net/0334af9a5a0cf8e1d/0334af9c3213d0302/0334af9c3213de407/index.php

>BTW the next show edition (11th in a row) is 
>scheduled June 19 and 20, 2010 (this to answer 
>regular off list questions asking for the next show dates)

Happy New Year to everybody!
I wish you all to hear one day some strange noise 
(whiiizzz + booomm) and then to find some strange 
hot and smelly piece of "ugly rock" in your back yard.
But if you don't, keep faith!
Or, at least, never loose your meteorite passion!
This will keep you happy and in good health, 
something that is always implicit in the New Year wishes...

Zelimir (the 256th and thus the very last in 
Capt. Blood's list of "Met Friends Page")

At 16:46 04/01/2010, Pete Shugar wrote:
>Quick------ Who was the king at Ensisheim?
>I need it for the presentation.
>Pete
>
>
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Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 



From mary.kashuba at verizon.net  Mon Jan  4 12:15:10 2010
From: mary.kashuba at verizon.net (Kashuba)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:15:10 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question
In-Reply-To: <Q021a4m04F4Qgv.RZmta@mo-p00-ob.rzone.de>
References: <4D597A594EED4E669D55FF02D2DC8729@laptop>
	<Q021a4m04F4Qgv.RZmta@mo-p00-ob.rzone.de>
Message-ID: <001701ca8d61$78d80e90$6a882bb0$@kashuba@verizon.net>

Ha!  Indeed!  

Thanks Andi.

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

-----Original Message-----
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Gren
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:07 AM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question


>Quick------ Who was the king at Ensisheim?


Zelimir Gabelica!!!

Greetings
Andi
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  4 15:02:53 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:02:53 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientists will develop automatic space rovers to
	study Asteroids
Message-ID: <SNT117-W21B66D8D107AAAC6EE92D4D2740@phx.gbl>



Scientists will develop automatic space rovers to study Asteroids

Greg S.

http://www.brahmand.com/news/Scientists-will-develop-automatic-space-rovers-to-study-Asteroids/2854/1/14.html



MOSCOW (Itar-Tass/ PTI): It is much more expedient to study asteroids that may endanger the Earth from automatic space rovers rather than from manned spaceships, Director of the Center for Earth Protection from Asteroids Anatoly Zaitsev has said.

He was asked to comment on the possible replica of the Armageddon movie plot by NASA and Lockheed Martin. The two want to send the Orion prospective spaceship to an asteroid.

"There are three reasons why flights to asteroids are necessary. First, that is research. Second, that is prevention of possible damaging effects on the Earth. Third, that is possible use of asteroids as a source of natural resources," he told Itar Tass.

"The number of asteroids more than 50 meters in size (the approximate size of the Tunguska meteorite) that are approaching the Earth nears 2 million. A detailed study of only one of them, even with a manned expedition, will not cause a breakthrough," he said.

"It is much more efficient and cheaper to send dozens of automatic space rovers to asteroids. Our center and the Russian Tsiolkovsky Space Exploration Academy have drafted a reconnaissance rover project. Such rovers may help protect the Earth from dangers posed by space," he said.

"I think it would be better to spend funds on the development of a system, which will guard us from asteroids.

We estimate investments needed for the deployment of the early warning system at 3-5 billion. Meanwhile, a manned expedition to an asteroid would cost tens of billions of dollars." Zaitsev said.


 		 	   		  
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From clwaldeniii at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 15:14:11 2010
From: clwaldeniii at comcast.net (Chauncey Walden)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:14:11 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Atlas of Representative Cometary Spectra
Message-ID: <4B424C13.3010906@comcast.net>

Anyone interested in making me an offer on this book? Hardbound 17x20 
(43x50cm) by Swing and Haser of the Liege Astrophysical Institute, 1956. 
Final report, sponsored in part by the Geophysics Research Directorate 
of Air Force Cambridge Research Center, Air Research and Development 
Command, US Air Force (hmmm!). Included is a softbound copy of Technical 
Report No. 2 in an envelope inside the cover. Ex US Bureau of Standards 
copy.
Chauncey


From jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk  Mon Jan  4 15:14:37 2010
From: jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk (jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 20:14:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2010 meteorite friends?
Message-ID: <28308562.32991262636077093.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Terry Wogan??

methinks somebody from U.K. is having a giraffe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Wogan

Jim




From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan  4 16:24:11 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:24:11 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2010 meteorite friends?
In-Reply-To: <28308562.32991262636077093.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <20100104212411.K6HWH.353175.root@web08-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Jim, All,

Yes...I think I pointed that out a while back and not sure who did it....made me lol though.

He's just retired from his morning radio shows over here but is going to be starting a Sunday show in Feb....I might phone/write in and ask him about his collection!!! ;-)

Actually It's the sort of thing that he might feature for a laugh.

Graham, UK

---- jim_brady611 at o2.co.uk wrote: 
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> 
> methinks somebody from U.K. is having a giraffe
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Wogan
> 
> Jim
> 
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From marcin at meteoryt.net  Mon Jan  4 17:41:39 2010
From: marcin at meteoryt.net (Marcin Cimala)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:41:39 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Camel Donga complete + oriented specimens AD
References: <20100104212411.K6HWH.353175.root@web08-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <EC5CE4D1F29A41B49E66F4BE5D214123@polandmezrd5i9>

Hello
I have some new complete specimens of Camel Donga, including three oriented 
specimens and few endcuts.

http://www.PolandMET.com

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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  4 18:46:48 2010
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:46:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Great Auctions Due To End Shortly!
Message-ID: <835303.98092.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,

I hope everybody is having a great start to the new year. If you have time, please check out some great auctions I have ending in a few hours. They are ending later than normal since I just returned from vacation.

All Auctions Can Be Found At This link:
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ

Best Regards,

Adam


From meteorites at online.nl  Mon Jan  4 19:11:01 2010
From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 01:11:01 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Some cool meteorites.....
Message-ID: <35F57864F4C9486E9E714837BA1CAEED@laptop>

Dear Listoids,

Happy new year to you all.
I have a few nice specimens (cheap!!) ending soon.

Zagami. Most famous Martian. 5,2 grams
http://cgi.ebay.com/Zagami-5-22-grams-Martian-meteorite_W0QQitemZ170425785531QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ae2b1cbb

Oum Dreyga with flowlines 113 grams complete individual.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Oum-Dreyga-Meteorite-113gr-Flowlines_W0QQitemZ170425786332QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ae2b1fdc

Tunguska wood section
http://cgi.ebay.com/Tunguska-Wood-Section-Slice_W0QQitemZ170425785970QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ae2b1e72

Super oriented Gao. A stunning complete stone 134 grams.
http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPER-Oriented-Gao-Meteorite-134-grams_W0QQitemZ170425785102QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ae2b1b0e

Greetings from Holland,
Jan
IMCA 9833 



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Jan  4 20:46:06 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:46:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: December 28,
	2009 - January 1, 2010
Message-ID: <201001050146.o051k6SI008788@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
December 28, 2009 - January 1, 2010

o Landslide (28 December 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091228a

o Arsia Mons Flows (29 December 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091229a

o Windstreaks (30 December 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091230a

o Gullies (31 December 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20091231a

o Shalbatana Vallis (01 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100101a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 





From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Jan  4 20:58:07 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:58:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dawn Journal - December 30, 2009
Message-ID: <201001050158.o051w7A4011346@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal_12_30_09.asp

Dawn Journal
Dr. Marc Rayman
December 30, 2009

Dear Dawnters and Sons,
 
The Dawn mission continues to go smoothly, as Earth's distant envoy
carries out its interplanetary journey. Although the craft still devotes
most of its time to the slow but efficient reshaping of its orbit around
the Sun to match Vesta's, controllers gave it some extra assignments
since the last log to ensure its systems remain healthy and to prepare 
for its studies of Vesta.
 
Dawn usually interrupts ion thrusting once a week for about 8 hours to
point its main antenna to Earth. On November 30, however, instead of
resuming thrusting, it dutifully followed different instructions that
were stored onboard.
 
The spacecraft began the 5 days of special activities by activating the
gamma ray and neutron detector (GRaND).
Despite its name, GRaND is not at all pretentious, but its capabilities
are quite impressive. It will reveal the atomic constituents of the
surfaces of Vesta and Ceres. GRaND's measurements of space radiation
this month showed it to be in excellent health. After a week of smooth
operation, it was deactivated on December 7.
 
The visible and infrared mapping spectrometer (VIR) and the primary 
science camera also were turned on for the first time in
more than half a year. As these sensors yield complementary data,
controllers want to refine earlier measurements of exactly how their
views overlap. This will allow scientists to correlate observations from
the instruments in order to glean as much as possible about the nature
of the protoplanets the craft will orbit. Dawn rotated to point at a
star and then observed it simultaneously with VIR and the camera. By
measuring precisely where the star registers in each device, their
relative alignments can be pinned down. Upon completing the sequence of
commands to acquire the desired data, the spacecraft turned to point its
main antenna to Earth again and began transmitting the results during
the next scheduled session with the Deep Space Network a few hours later.
 
The VIR team quickly discovered that a subtle incompatibility between
certain instructions in the program for recording the signals from the
star caused its shutter to remain closed. (VIR also has a reusable
protective cover, but that operated as intended.) The unit continued to
function and stayed healthy, but it did not perform the planned
observations. The science camera imaged the target, but the purpose was
to compare where the star appeared in the 2 instruments. The VIR
commands are easily corrected, and the calibration will be executed
again early next year.
 
Earlier this year, engineers developed new software for the science
camera to improve its efficiency in mapping the distant worlds Vesta and
Ceres. The software was updated once before in space, and the process 
followed this week was the same. As last year, loading software into the 
primary and the backup cameras was performed as entirely separate activities; 
each camera was off while the other was being upgraded. This was the only
major work this week that was not accomplished with commands that had
previously been stored on the spacecraft. After the new software was
installed, each camera was directed to carry out a set of tests, and the
results confirmed that both were operating correctly.
 
Among the other tasks this week was an annual evaluation of the backup
star tracker, a device that recognizes star patterns so the spacecraft 
can calculate its orientation. To verify
that the tracker remained healthy, the unit was powered on and operated.
It correctly took pictures, identified the stars, and then determined
the direction it was pointed. The tests verified that the unit remains
in good condition and ready to be called into service in the unlikely
event a problem with the primary tracker occurs.
 
On December 4, after completing all of its scheduled activities for the
week, Dawn turned once again to point ion thruster #1 in the direction
needed for propelling itself to Vesta, and resumed emitting high-speed
xenon ions. It has continued since then with its familiar schedule of
quiet cruise.
 
As the effect of the thrust continues to build up, tomorrow Dawn will
pass another milestone. The thrusting since the beginning of the mission
will have achieved the equivalent of accelerating the spacecraft by 2.00
miles per second (3.22 kilometers per second, or 7200 miles per hour).
This is well in excess of what most spacecraft accomplish with their
propulsion systems but is less than 1/3 of the planned maneuvering for
the mission. To achieve this extraordinary velocity, Dawn has expended
less than 126 kg (278 pounds) of xenon propellant during 474 days of
powered flight. While the day-to-day change is small (as we will discuss
in greater detail in February), with 24 hours of thrusting yielding just
7.2 meters per second (16 miles per hour), the benefit of its acclaimed
patience is becoming evident.
 
As we have discussed several times (see, for example, this previous log,
Dawn's actual speed has not changed by the
values just presented. In the complex orbital dance it performs,
partnered principally by the Sun but with others joining in as well
(Mars being the most significant this year), the
more it thrusts and climbs away from the Sun, the slower it travels.
Nevertheless, the equivalent change in speed (that is, the change that
would be achieved in the absence of the complications from being in
orbit) is a handy measure of the effect of any spacecraft's maneuvering.
 
While Dawn continues pushing away from the Sun and deeper into the
asteroid belt, the distance to Earth is still declining, as it has been 
since November 2008.  The separation between the planet and the
probe varies just as the distance between the tips of the hour hand and
minute hand increases and decreases every hour. That suggests that it's
time once again to refer to one of the clocks available in the Dawn gift
shop on your planet. (If you didn't get around to preparing for the
recent festivities marking the universe's reaching its present age,
don't despair. Although there are only 5 trillion shopping days until
the next such gala celebration, Dawn gift shops in most galaxies are
offering attractive discounts right now.)

To picture the changing alignment, let's recall the clock described 365
days ago, with the Sun at the center. Dawn is at the tip of the minute h
and and Earth is at the tip of the shorter hour hand. One year ago today, 
the celestial alignment corresponded to the position of the hands at about 
6:01:45. At that time, Dawn was 2.49 astronomical units (AU) from Earth. 
In the intervening year, Earth has completed 1 orbit around the Sun, 
returning to where it was. Having
traveled more slowly, Dawn is in a different position now that happens
to be much closer to Earth. Today the alignment is similar to that at
6:30:00. Even though Dawn is farther from the Sun today than it was 1
year ago (as if the length of the minute hand had increased), in its
current location around the clock face, it is 0.84 AU from Earth, only
1/3 of what it was at the end of last year. The cosmic hands will
continue to move into still-closer alignment until late next month, when
the Sun, Earth, and Dawn will lie nearly along a straight line.
 
Picturing Dawn's position relative to Earth and the Sun may help some
readers gain perspective on the explorer's interplanetary journey, and
we will continue to present such illustrations (at least as long as the
increased revenue for the gift shop makes it profitable to do so).
Nevertheless, it is worth bearing in mind that from Dawn's perspective,
the location of Earth is of little importance (except when it needs to
point its antenna there). The ship travels on its own course around the
Sun, independent of the motions of the distant celestial port from which
it set sail more than 2 years ago. Dawn's sights remain firmly fixed on
the destinations ahead, where it seeks to unlock secrets about the dawn
of the solar system.
 
Dawn is 0.84 AU (125 million kilometers or 78 million miles) from Earth,
or 345 times as far as the moon and 0.85 times as far as the Sun. Radio
signals, traveling at the universal limit of the speed of light, take 14
minutes to make the round trip.



From pshugar at clearwire.net  Mon Jan  4 22:06:22 2010
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:06:22 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re photos
Message-ID: <751F519DFBD24A9C8D439AE041C104C8@laptop>

I have a couple of photos of todays presentation
but since you can't send pics to the list, how do I 
show them to everyone?
Pete IMCA 1733



From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  4 22:26:17 2010
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:26:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re photos
In-Reply-To: <751F519DFBD24A9C8D439AE041C104C8@laptop>
Message-ID: <244996.7697.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Send me your photos and I will post them for you
Cheers
DEAN
www.meteoriteshop.com

--- On Mon, 4/1/10, Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:

> From: Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Re photos
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Received: Monday, 4 January, 2010, 7:06 PM
> I have a couple of photos of todays
> presentation
> but since you can't send pics to the list, how do I show
> them to everyone?
> Pete IMCA 1733
> 
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From mlblood at cox.net  Mon Jan  4 22:49:55 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:49:55 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone Know this guy?
In-Reply-To: <244996.7697.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C767F6E3.A6C1%mlblood@cox.net>

There is this fellow who wants to put "Lunar" meteorites in
My auction - his name is Steve Curry. He sent me a photo of
A BIG rock. Said it was a 27 KG American Lunar....
        Anyone know of this guy?
        RSVP , please, Michael




From tricottetcoll at live.com  Tue Jan  5 05:24:21 2010
From: tricottetcoll at live.com (The Tricottet Collection)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:24:21 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Digg meteorite links
Message-ID: <BLU117-W220625E2F6B7D1F81D0EFDDD730@phx.gbl>


Some interesting links here:

http://digg.com/search?s=meteorites




The Tricottet Collection of Natural History Specimens
(Minerals, Fossils & Meteorites)
www.thetricottetcollection.com
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From bcmeteorites at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 08:39:00 2010
From: bcmeteorites at gmail.com (bcmeteorites)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:39:00 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
In-Reply-To: <ad733151001040446v3b27c103lc6b11747359d02fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <KCEHLCHBJMKNPLFNLIFEOECECHAA.bcmeteorites@gmail.com>

This link is for the article on the front page of the local Colorado Springs
paper "The Gazette" this morning with picture of Robert Ward holding the ceiling tile with the
"mystery" hole in it.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html

Bob Falls
colorado Springs, CO

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Michael
Groetz
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:46 AM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery


http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241

Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery

By: Stacey Kaiser
s.kaiser at krdotv.com
Follow me on Twitter at www.twitter.com/staceykaiser

COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of space rock, or ice
from a plane?  Fire investigators cannot rule anything out as the
cause of a hole in the roof of Red Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado
Avenue in Colorado Springs.

"I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I looked up and
there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock Lounge owner Karol
Sandvig.  Sandvig noticed the hole when she first walked into her bar,
then she saw a note from her bartender.  "Karol, I had to call the
cops because something came through the roof and there was a loud
boom," said a note from Bartender Tammy Newland.

Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm Wednesday.  They told Newland the
boom was heard from their station a few streets away.  "It scared
everybody.  Everybody was off their seats pretty quick. I don't think
I've seen some of the people in here move that quick," said Newland.

But the big question is, what caused this massive boom and 3-inch hole
in the ceiling?  "We tried to rule out things such as lightning,
something falling from the sky like a piece of space rock like a small
meteorite and we weren't able to rule out anything," said Colorado
Springs Fire Department Battalion Chief Steven Dubay.

STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt Meister says he was at the
station until about 1:00AM and did not see any lightning.  It could be
a space rock, but investigators have seen no sign of a rock.  And the
hole is too big to be from a bullet.

Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin their New Year's
Eve celebration.  The landlord said he will be out to fix the hole.
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From michael at rocksfromspace.org  Tue Jan  5 08:48:16 2010
From: michael at rocksfromspace.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:48:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 5,
	2010
Message-ID: <962050268.714031262699296259.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_5_2010.html



From mpg4444 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 09:48:24 2010
From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:48:24 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strange Phenomena in a Meteorite Crater
Message-ID: <ad733151001050648n179201dbj645c2326847cd8c9@mail.gmail.com>

Strange Phenomena in a Meteorite Crater

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/27448/

Strange phenomena have been happening in Gulong Village, a round pit
with a diameter of 1.8 kilometers, since ancient times. It is found
that they are due to a meteorite strike in the area.

According to Chinese Science Bulletin, when Gulong villagers get water
from wells, there is always a layer of oil on top of the water. In
addition, after the black soil from this village is dried, it can burn
in fire.

Trees, grasses, crops, and other plants grow very well in the village.
Currently, there are 64 families in the village, 30 of which are
surnamed Feng. The villagers rarely get sick, so the village is known
as a longevity village.

The villagers live a self-sustained life as the rural area is very
slow in developing. Without any industry, the environment has little
pollution. Because the village is surrounded by mountains, it is very
isolated and rarely affected by the outside world. Therefore, these
phenomena are likely to be related to the pit itself.

Experts have offered the explanation that tens of thousands of years
ago, a large number of plants died and was converted into coal, so the
soil became peat. As the soil contains a large amount of coal, it can
burn. At the same time, water?s inability to flow through the peat
results in oil suspension in the wells.

So how was the pit formed? After three years of investigation, a group
of researchers headed by Dr. Chen Ming from the Guangzhou Institute of
Geochemistry of the Chinese Academy of Sciences published a paper in
2007 confirming that the Liaoning Xiuyan pit is a meteorite impact
crater. After the meteorite strike, the deformation and melting of
rock and mineral matter formed the pit.

Chen analyzed the material in the pit and estimated that the meteorite
strike happened 50,000 years ago. Water accumulated in the pit to form
a lake, and the sediment eventually reached over 100 meters deep.
About 39,000 years ago, the lake gradually diminished due to a gap in
the east wall of the pit, forming the present bowl-like valley.


From garychase at live.com  Tue Jan  5 11:23:13 2010
From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:23:13 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
 ?????
In-Reply-To: <KCEHLCHBJMKNPLFNLIFEOECECHAA.bcmeteorites@gmail.com>
References: <ad733151001040446v3b27c103lc6b11747359d02fb@mail.gmail.com>,
	<KCEHLCHBJMKNPLFNLIFEOECECHAA.bcmeteorites@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W40A1ACB8E667A105C1FF29D2730@phx.gbl>


"Robert Ward drove through the night from Arizona to investigate"?  
 
I don't understand.  Aren't there meteorite dealers and collectors closer to the sight to check it out?  Anne?  Matt?
 
 
Gary

 
> From: bcmeteorites at gmail.com
> To: mpg4444 at gmail.com; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:39:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> 
> This link is for the article on the front page of the local Colorado Springs
> paper "The Gazette" this morning with picture of Robert Ward holding the ceiling tile with the
> "mystery" hole in it.
> 
> http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html
> 
> Bob Falls
> colorado Springs, CO
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Groetz
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:46 AM
> To: Meteorite List
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> 
> 
> http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241
> 
> Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> 
> By: Stacey Kaiser
> s.kaiser at krdotv.com
> Follow me on Twitter at www.twitter.com/staceykaiser
> 
> COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of space rock, or ice
> from a plane? Fire investigators cannot rule anything out as the
> cause of a hole in the roof of Red Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado
> Avenue in Colorado Springs.
> 
> "I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I looked up and
> there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock Lounge owner Karol
> Sandvig. Sandvig noticed the hole when she first walked into her bar,
> then she saw a note from her bartender. "Karol, I had to call the
> cops because something came through the roof and there was a loud
> boom," said a note from Bartender Tammy Newland.
> 
> Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm Wednesday. They told Newland the
> boom was heard from their station a few streets away. "It scared
> everybody. Everybody was off their seats pretty quick. I don't think
> I've seen some of the people in here move that quick," said Newland.
> 
> But the big question is, what caused this massive boom and 3-inch hole
> in the ceiling? "We tried to rule out things such as lightning,
> something falling from the sky like a piece of space rock like a small
> meteorite and we weren't able to rule out anything," said Colorado
> Springs Fire Department Battalion Chief Steven Dubay.
> 
> STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt Meister says he was at the
> station until about 1:00AM and did not see any lightning. It could be
> a space rock, but investigators have seen no sign of a rock. And the
> hole is too big to be from a bullet.
> 
> Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin their New Year's
> Eve celebration. The landlord said he will be out to fix the hole.
> ______________________________________________
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From geoking at notkin.net  Tue Jan  5 11:37:05 2010
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:37:05 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Feature in the New "Astronomy" Magazine
Message-ID: <E24C3C56-97FA-4F4F-933B-A09423993E95@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

Greetings from sunny Tucson.

I just received the new issue of "Astronomy" magazine (February 2010)  
and it includes a terrific four-page feature article by Ray Shubinski  
entitled "How to start a meteorite collection." The story includes an  
interview with our friend Anne Black, photos of Bob Haag, the mighty  
Mike Miller, Buddy Eisler and Steve and myself, as well as some in- 
situ pics of West, Texas (Ash Creek) finds.

It's a really good piece and a must-have for meteorite article  
collectors. My compliments to Ray, editor Michael Bakich and their  
team on an excellent, in-depth feature. This is exactly the type of  
sophisticated coverage that benefits our field.


Respectfully,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.meteoritemen.com
www.meteoriteblog.org


From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 11:41:57 2010
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:41:57 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Commercial
Message-ID: <f0a794131001050841t6175b54duf93f58376bd9ad18@mail.gmail.com>

I saw my first commercial for meteorite men on the science channel
last night. It was the one with the two craters. Hilarious. Nice work
Steve and Geoff , can't wait for the new episodes.


From geoking at notkin.net  Tue Jan  5 11:46:49 2010
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:46:49 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Commercial
In-Reply-To: <f0a794131001050841t6175b54duf93f58376bd9ad18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f0a794131001050841t6175b54duf93f58376bd9ad18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CEB14915-AFBE-42FF-BA34-C54CA056AB60@notkin.net>

Mike posted:

> Hilarious. Nice work Steve and Geoff , can't wait for the new  
> episodes.


Dear Mike:

Good morning. Thank you for watching the promo and for the kind  
compliment. I am pleased it's obvious that the crater spot is tongue- 
in-cheek. We really had fun filming it in Nevada, and I had no idea  
Steve was such a good actor  : )

We are busy doing post-production work on the new episodes and eagerly  
await the premiere on January 20. We hope the show is well received by  
our friends and colleagues.


With best wishes from Tucson,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.meteoritemen.com
www.meteoriteblog.org





From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Tue Jan  5 11:52:14 2010
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:52:14 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a
	Mystery?????
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W40A1ACB8E667A105C1FF29D2730@phx.gbl>
References: <ad733151001040446v3b27c103lc6b11747359d02fb@mail.gmail.com>,
	<KCEHLCHBJMKNPLFNLIFEOECECHAA.bcmeteorites@gmail.com><COL106-W40A1ACB8E667A105C1FF29D2730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <925870588-1262710336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1707855831-@bda673.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Didn't seem worth is to me.
----------------------
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Chase <garychase at live.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:23:13 
To: meteoritecentral<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
 ?????


"Robert Ward drove through the night from Arizona to investigate"?  
 
I don't understand.  Aren't there meteorite dealers and collectors closer to the sight to check it out?  Anne?  Matt?
 
 
Gary

 
> From: bcmeteorites at gmail.com
> To: mpg4444 at gmail.com; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:39:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> 
> This link is for the article on the front page of the local Colorado Springs
> paper "The Gazette" this morning with picture of Robert Ward holding the ceiling tile with the
> "mystery" hole in it.
> 
> http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html
> 
> Bob Falls
> colorado Springs, CO
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Groetz
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:46 AM
> To: Meteorite List
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> 
> 
> http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241
> 
> Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> 
> By: Stacey Kaiser
> s.kaiser at krdotv.com
> Follow me on Twitter at www.twitter.com/staceykaiser
> 
> COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of space rock, or ice
> from a plane? Fire investigators cannot rule anything out as the
> cause of a hole in the roof of Red Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado
> Avenue in Colorado Springs.
> 
> "I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I looked up and
> there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock Lounge owner Karol
> Sandvig. Sandvig noticed the hole when she first walked into her bar,
> then she saw a note from her bartender. "Karol, I had to call the
> cops because something came through the roof and there was a loud
> boom," said a note from Bartender Tammy Newland.
> 
> Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm Wednesday. They told Newland the
> boom was heard from their station a few streets away. "It scared
> everybody. Everybody was off their seats pretty quick. I don't think
> I've seen some of the people in here move that quick," said Newland.
> 
> But the big question is, what caused this massive boom and 3-inch hole
> in the ceiling? "We tried to rule out things such as lightning,
> something falling from the sky like a piece of space rock like a small
> meteorite and we weren't able to rule out anything," said Colorado
> Springs Fire Department Battalion Chief Steven Dubay.
> 
> STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt Meister says he was at the
> station until about 1:00AM and did not see any lightning. It could be
> a space rock, but investigators have seen no sign of a rock. And the
> hole is too big to be from a bullet.
> 
> Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin their New Year's
> Eve celebration. The landlord said he will be out to fix the hole.
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From piebear at cox.net  Tue Jan  5 12:38:26 2010
From: piebear at cox.net (Arlene Schlazer)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:38:26 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Feature in the New "Astronomy"
	Magazine
In-Reply-To: <E24C3C56-97FA-4F4F-933B-A09423993E95@notkin.net>
References: <E24C3C56-97FA-4F4F-933B-A09423993E95@notkin.net>
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Thanks Geoff,
I just found the following link to a  Podcast for anyone who doesn't have a 
subscription and would like to tune in....Arlene Schlazer

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=4430

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:37 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Feature in the New "Astronomy" Magazine


> Dear Listees:
>
> Greetings from sunny Tucson.
>
> I just received the new issue of "Astronomy" magazine (February 2010)  and 
> it includes a terrific four-page feature article by Ray Shubinski 
> entitled "How to start a meteorite collection." The story includes an 
> interview with our friend Anne Black, photos of Bob Haag, the mighty  Mike 
> Miller, Buddy Eisler and Steve and myself, as well as some in- situ pics 
> of West, Texas (Ash Creek) finds.
>
> It's a really good piece and a must-have for meteorite article 
> collectors. My compliments to Ray, editor Michael Bakich and their  team 
> on an excellent, in-depth feature. This is exactly the type of 
> sophisticated coverage that benefits our field.
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Geoff N.
>
> www.aerolite.org
> www.meteoritemen.com
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From geohiggins at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 12:35:22 2010
From: geohiggins at yahoo.com (John higgins)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:35:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
In-Reply-To: <10dac.4d6f210b.3861c272@aol.com>
References: <10dac.4d6f210b.3861c272@aol.com>
Message-ID: <932225.23333.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Mine came in  yesterday!

Must say they truly are amazing Jeff!
Really great, can't believe how heavy they are, and the letters are so clean a crisp, I highly recommend them to everybody!
Whats really cool about them is that they have just the slightest magnetic field with north and south poles.
Thank you so much for providing the meteorite community with these excellent, affordable tools and collectible ones at that!

Have a Great Day!
John Higgins
IMCA # 9822



----- Original Message ----
From: "starsandscopes at aol.com" <starsandscopes at aol.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 1:34:26 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com



Me to,  Mine came in the mail today as  well.

A measure of it's "Cool Factor" is how long it takes me to put it  on a 
microscope (My personal highest form of compliment)  The shots are  just taken 
through a stereo scope but it nicely shows off the crisp  detail.

Very nice Jeff!  Well done!  This will be the last  scale cube I will ever 
need.

Email me for some shots of the  cube!

Tom

In a message dated 12/21/2009 11:28:10 P.M. Mountain  Standard Time, 
scientificlifestyle at hotmail.com writes:

Hello to the List,  

'Just received my scale cube today as well. This is a very impressive  bit 
of work!

The markings are very crisp. 

This makes my desert  meteorite hunting withdrawals even worse.....

Pining for the Playa,  
Pat 

----------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec  2009 16:10:25 -0800
> From: damoclid at yahoo.com
> To:  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]  Scalecubes.com
>
> The mail service was a little slow, taking two  weeks for my cubes to 
arrive, but today arrive they did.
> I notice Jeff's  site shows these are almost sold out, so I'd like to add 
my voice to the chorus  and recommend that all who are considering 
purchasing one or more of these fine  cubes, do so asap!
>
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
>  http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA  #1081
>
>
>
>
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From oxytropidoceras at cox.net  Tue Jan  5 12:46:35 2010
From: oxytropidoceras at cox.net (Paul H.)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:46:35 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?utf-8?q?Xiuyan_meteorite_crater_was_=E2=80=9CS?=
 =?utf-8?q?trange_Phenomena_in_a_Meteorite_Crater=E2=80=9D?=
Message-ID: <20100105124635.407UG.148969.imail@eastrmwml28>

In Strange Phenomena in a Meteorite Crater, Michael
 Groetz wrote:

?Strange Phenomena in a Meteorite Crater
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/27448/ ?

The Epoch Times can at times, be a questionable source 
of information about anything. What they are referring 
to is the Xiuyan meteorite crater. The paper about this 
proposed impact crater is:

Ming, C., 2008, Impact-derived features of the Xiuyan 
meteorite crater. Chinese Science Bulletin. vol. 53, no. 3,
pp. 392-395.

The abstract is at:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/9rh444147628h75w/

A paper that this paper references is:

Zhao. S. M., 2004, The discovery of a meteorite impact 
crater in the Xiuyan country of central Liaodong 
peninsula. Remote Sensing for Land and Resources.
vol. 3, p. 27.

Some other articles about it are:

Close encounters of the Chinese kind, Global Times,
December 14, 2009. (includes a picture of this feature)

http://life.globaltimes.cn/photo1/2009-12/491531.html
http://www.globaltimes.cn/attachment/091213/137e0f2669.jpg

Xiuyan impact structure, Astronomy News
http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=58381&p=3&topicID=32850862

According to this discussion board, the Xiuyan meteorite 
crater is located at:
	
Latitude: 40?21'53.71"N, Longitude: 123?27'38.88"E 

Google Earth pictures at:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/blobrana/Xiuyanmeteoritecrater.jpg
and http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/blobrana/craterchina1.jpg

Xiuyan crater, China: Impact origin confirmed

http://chinese.eurekalert.org/en/pub_releases/2009-12/sicp-xcc120709.php

Our first meteor impact craters float oil exploration 
Wells: black can burn. (machined translated ???)

http://justblogme.com/wangming/379904/Our+first+meteor+impact+craters+float+oil+exploration+Wells:+black+can+burn.html

Yours,

Paul H.


From stm at bellsouth.net  Tue Jan  5 13:05:24 2010
From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:05:24 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
In-Reply-To: <932225.23333.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <10dac.4d6f210b.3861c272@aol.com>
	<932225.23333.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A5F22F3D80E9458B9E933E9EB23433C0@Platinum2>

I forgot to post my kudos when I got my cubes a few weeks back.  VERY crisp 
edges, and surprisingly heavy... And a very interesting grey/black color 
makes them stand out against my other aluminum, brass, and black colored 
cubes that I have gathered over the alst few years.

My guess is the Jeff got hold of some burned out dwarf star material to make 
these babies.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John higgins" <geohiggins at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com


> Mine came in  yesterday!
>
> Must say they truly are amazing Jeff!
> Really great, can't believe how heavy they are, and the letters are so 
> clean a crisp, I highly recommend them to everybody!
> Whats really cool about them is that they have just the slightest magnetic 
> field with north and south poles.
> Thank you so much for providing the meteorite community with these 
> excellent, affordable tools and collectible ones at that!
>
> Have a Great Day!
> John Higgins
> IMCA # 9822
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "starsandscopes at aol.com" <starsandscopes at aol.com>
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 1:34:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
>
>
>
> Me to,  Mine came in the mail today as  well.
>
> A measure of it's "Cool Factor" is how long it takes me to put it  on a
> microscope (My personal highest form of compliment)  The shots are  just 
> taken
> through a stereo scope but it nicely shows off the crisp  detail.
>
> Very nice Jeff!  Well done!  This will be the last  scale cube I will ever
> need.
>
> Email me for some shots of the  cube!
>
> Tom
>
> In a message dated 12/21/2009 11:28:10 P.M. Mountain  Standard Time,
> scientificlifestyle at hotmail.com writes:
>
> Hello to the List,
>
> 'Just received my scale cube today as well. This is a very impressive  bit
> of work!
>
> The markings are very crisp.
>
> This makes my desert  meteorite hunting withdrawals even worse.....
>
> Pining for the Playa,
> Pat
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 21 Dec  2009 16:10:25 -0800
>> From: damoclid at yahoo.com
>> To:  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]  Scalecubes.com
>>
>> The mail service was a little slow, taking two  weeks for my cubes to
> arrive, but today arrive they did.
>> I notice Jeff's  site shows these are almost sold out, so I'd like to add
> my voice to the chorus  and recommend that all who are considering
> purchasing one or more of these fine  cubes, do so asap!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Richard Kowalski
>>  http://fullmoonphotography.net
>> IMCA  #1081
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From garychase at live.com  Tue Jan  5 13:10:25 2010
From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:10:25 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a
 Mystery?????
In-Reply-To: <925870588-1262710336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1707855831-@bda673.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <ad733151001040446v3b27c103lc6b11747359d02fb@mail.gmail.com>,
	<KCEHLCHBJMKNPLFNLIFEOECECHAA.bcmeteorites@gmail.com><COL106-W40A1ACB8E667A105C1FF29D2730@phx.gbl>,
	<925870588-1262710336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1707855831-@bda673.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <COL106-W22F9D449B7DA6D9B8CC3F0D2730@phx.gbl>


Good Call.  Why waste your time on something that is not a sure thing.
 
Gary

> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
> To: garychase at live.com; meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> From: mail at mhmeteorites.com
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:52:14 +0000
> 
> Didn't seem worth is to me.
> ----------------------
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Chase <garychase at live.com>
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:23:13 
> To: meteoritecentral<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> ?????
> 
> 
> "Robert Ward drove through the night from Arizona to investigate"? 
> 
> I don't understand. Aren't there meteorite dealers and collectors closer to the sight to check it out? Anne? Matt?
> 
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
>> From: bcmeteorites at gmail.com
>> To: mpg4444 at gmail.com; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:39:00 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
>> 
>> This link is for the article on the front page of the local Colorado Springs
>> paper "The Gazette" this morning with picture of Robert Ward holding the ceiling tile with the
>> "mystery" hole in it.
>> 
>> http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html
>> 
>> Bob Falls
>> colorado Springs, CO
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Michael
>> Groetz
>> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:46 AM
>> To: Meteorite List
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241
>> 
>> Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
>> 
>> By: Stacey Kaiser
>> s.kaiser at krdotv.com
>> Follow me on Twitter at www.twitter.com/staceykaiser
>> 
>> COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of space rock, or ice
>> from a plane? Fire investigators cannot rule anything out as the
>> cause of a hole in the roof of Red Rock Lounge at 31st and Colorado
>> Avenue in Colorado Springs.
>> 
>> "I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I looked up and
>> there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock Lounge owner Karol
>> Sandvig. Sandvig noticed the hole when she first walked into her bar,
>> then she saw a note from her bartender. "Karol, I had to call the
>> cops because something came through the roof and there was a loud
>> boom," said a note from Bartender Tammy Newland.
>> 
>> Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm Wednesday. They told Newland the
>> boom was heard from their station a few streets away. "It scared
>> everybody. Everybody was off their seats pretty quick. I don't think
>> I've seen some of the people in here move that quick," said Newland.
>> 
>> But the big question is, what caused this massive boom and 3-inch hole
>> in the ceiling? "We tried to rule out things such as lightning,
>> something falling from the sky like a piece of space rock like a small
>> meteorite and we weren't able to rule out anything," said Colorado
>> Springs Fire Department Battalion Chief Steven Dubay.
>> 
>> STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt Meister says he was at the
>> station until about 1:00AM and did not see any lightning. It could be
>> a space rock, but investigators have seen no sign of a rock. And the
>> hole is too big to be from a bullet.
>> 
>> Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin their New Year's
>> Eve celebration. The landlord said he will be out to fix the hole.
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Tue Jan  5 14:15:51 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:15:51 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a
	Mystery?????
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W22F9D449B7DA6D9B8CC3F0D2730@phx.gbl>
References: <ad733151001040446v3b27c103lc6b11747359d02fb@mail.gmail.com>,
	<KCEHLCHBJMKNPLFNLIFEOECECHAA.bcmeteorites@gmail.com><COL106-W40A1ACB8E667A105C1FF29D2730@phx.gbl>,
	<925870588-1262710336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1707855831-@bda673.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<COL106-W22F9D449B7DA6D9B8CC3F0D2730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B438FE7.8000808@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Gary, Matt,

Maybe you guys are simply being facetious or or skeptical. Maybe Matt, 
you really didn't feel like it was worth it. But, I believe it is worth 
it simply because it could have be a meteorite! And though up to this 
point though none have been found to prove that case, the evidence still 
suggests it could be. I know if I could have afforded it I would go 
investigate.

Did you see the photos? Read the articles, see the news report? Either 
A) the bar is pulling a big hoax , or perhaps hiding an embarrassing 
flub, and knocked the hole in the roof an tile themselves, or B) a small 
object with a solid mass crashed through the roof and ceiling tile.

Has anyone thought to ask the owners or bartender on duty that night for 
a list of people that where there in the bar during the even. Locals 
know locals and would probably be able to compile a list of people 
fairly easily. Perhaps a meteorite did fall through the roof and only 
one person saw it and took the object from the scene? Just hopeful 
thinking yes, but it's a possibility.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html

Something fell through the roof. Where is it?

Some people just don't have the gumption to get in the car and drive 
half way across the country for a "possible" meteorite.

If you've ever met Robert you'll know right away he's the kind of hunter 
that does! He's got that air about him that just says "I'll go anywhere 
on earth to find a meteorite."

Way to go Robert!

Regards,
Eric



On 1/5/2010 10:10 AM, Gary Chase wrote:
> Good Call.  Why waste your time on something that is not a sure thing.
>
> Gary
>
>    
>> >  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
>> >  To:garychase at live.com;meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >  From:mail at mhmeteorites.com
>> >  Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:52:14 +0000
>> >  
>> >  Didn't seem worth is to me.
>> >  ----------------------
>> >  Matt Morgan
>> >  Mile High Meteorites
>> >  http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>> >  P.O. Box 151293
>> >  Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>>      


From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Tue Jan  5 14:26:14 2010
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:26:14 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still
	aMystery?????
In-Reply-To: <4B438FE7.8000808@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <ad733151001040446v3b27c103lc6b11747359d02fb@mail.gmail.com>,
	<KCEHLCHBJMKNPLFNLIFEOECECHAA.bcmeteorites@gmail.com><COL106-W40A1ACB8E667A105C1FF29D2730@phx.gbl>,
	<925870588-1262710336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1707855831-@bda673.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><COL106-W22F9D449B7DA6D9B8CC3F0D2730@phx.gbl><4B438FE7.8000808@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <771873605-1262719571-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1535188321-@bda673.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Again, I, personally didn't feel it was worth it.  Anyone can go, right?

Oh well, I didn't miss anything anyway.  If I did, and Robert got a rock, great for him.

Matt

----------------------
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:15:51 
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a
	Mystery?????

Hi Gary, Matt,

Maybe you guys are simply being facetious or or skeptical. Maybe Matt, 
you really didn't feel like it was worth it. But, I believe it is worth 
it simply because it could have be a meteorite! And though up to this 
point though none have been found to prove that case, the evidence still 
suggests it could be. I know if I could have afforded it I would go 
investigate.

Did you see the photos? Read the articles, see the news report? Either 
A) the bar is pulling a big hoax , or perhaps hiding an embarrassing 
flub, and knocked the hole in the roof an tile themselves, or B) a small 
object with a solid mass crashed through the roof and ceiling tile.

Has anyone thought to ask the owners or bartender on duty that night for 
a list of people that where there in the bar during the even. Locals 
know locals and would probably be able to compile a list of people 
fairly easily. Perhaps a meteorite did fall through the roof and only 
one person saw it and took the object from the scene? Just hopeful 
thinking yes, but it's a possibility.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html

Something fell through the roof. Where is it?

Some people just don't have the gumption to get in the car and drive 
half way across the country for a "possible" meteorite.

If you've ever met Robert you'll know right away he's the kind of hunter 
that does! He's got that air about him that just says "I'll go anywhere 
on earth to find a meteorite."

Way to go Robert!

Regards,
Eric



On 1/5/2010 10:10 AM, Gary Chase wrote:
> Good Call.  Why waste your time on something that is not a sure thing.
>
> Gary
>
>    
>> >  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
>> >  To:garychase at live.com;meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >  From:mail at mhmeteorites.com
>> >  Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:52:14 +0000
>> >  
>> >  Didn't seem worth is to me.
>> >  ----------------------
>> >  Matt Morgan
>> >  Mile High Meteorites
>> >  http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>> >  P.O. Box 151293
>> >  Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>>      
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 14:28:18 2010
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:28:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a
	Mystery?????
In-Reply-To: <4B438FE7.8000808@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <ad733151001040446v3b27c103lc6b11747359d02fb@mail.gmail.com>,
	<KCEHLCHBJMKNPLFNLIFEOECECHAA.bcmeteorites@gmail.com><COL106-W40A1ACB8E667A105C1FF29D2730@phx.gbl>,
	<925870588-1262710336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1707855831-@bda673.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<COL106-W22F9D449B7DA6D9B8CC3F0D2730@phx.gbl>
	<4B438FE7.8000808@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <769876.66980.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I agree that any hole in a roof is worth checking out.

I have heard of rocks stuck in aircraft tires letting loose when they retract their landing gear. This is just one of many ways an object can come out of the sky.

We had a weird incident returning from the new years celebration in Las Vegas yesterday. We were driving home in Zann's Spyder roadster and were drenched with what I hope was water.  Luckily we had the convertible top up as the weather was good enough to have it down.  The interesting thing was that there was not a cloud in the sky and we were in the middle of the desert on our way back to Laughlin. 

Some things just can't be explained.

Best Regards,

Adam



From damoclid at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 14:35:52 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:35:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a
	Mystery?????
In-Reply-To: <769876.66980.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <121694.78699.qm@web113617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The sinks on airliners (NOT the toilets) drain directly out of the aircraft. While it is possible for water to come from aircraft it is unlikely to make it to the surface like rain.

The toilets use a liquid that is affectionately called "blue juice" and if you got hit with that, it would have left obvious blue stains on the vehicle.


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
> To: "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:28 PM
> I agree that any hole in a roof is
> worth checking out.
> 
> I have heard of rocks stuck in aircraft tires letting loose
> when they retract their landing gear. This is just one of
> many ways an object can come out of the sky.
> 
> We had a weird incident returning from the new years
> celebration in Las Vegas yesterday. We were driving home in
> Zann's Spyder roadster and were drenched with what I hope
> was water.? Luckily we had the convertible top up as
> the weather was good enough to have it down.? The
> interesting thing was that there was not a cloud in the sky
> and we were in the middle of the desert on our way back to
> Laughlin. 
> 
> Some things just can't be explained.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Adam
> 
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From gracie at sheverb.com  Tue Jan  5 14:13:19 2010
From: gracie at sheverb.com (gracie)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:13:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
In-Reply-To: <A5F22F3D80E9458B9E933E9EB23433C0@Platinum2>
References: <10dac.4d6f210b.3861c272@aol.com>
	<932225.23333.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<A5F22F3D80E9458B9E933E9EB23433C0@Platinum2>
Message-ID: <52430.70.171.14.161.1262718799.squirrel@www.sheverb.com>

I forgot as well! My cubes arrived a week or so ago and I'm exceedingly
pleased. If you've not yet ordered yourself one these beauties, hie thee
to scalecubes.com at once!


> I forgot to post my kudos when I got my cubes a few weeks back.  VERY
> crisp
> edges, and surprisingly heavy... And a very interesting grey/black color
> makes them stand out against my other aluminum, brass, and black colored
> cubes that I have gathered over the alst few years.
>
> My guess is the Jeff got hold of some burned out dwarf star material to
> make
> these babies.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John higgins" <geohiggins at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
>
>
>> Mine came in  yesterday!
>>
>> Must say they truly are amazing Jeff!
>> Really great, can't believe how heavy they are, and the letters are so
>> clean a crisp, I highly recommend them to everybody!
>> Whats really cool about them is that they have just the slightest
>> magnetic
>> field with north and south poles.
>> Thank you so much for providing the meteorite community with these
>> excellent, affordable tools and collectible ones at that!
>>
>> Have a Great Day!
>> John Higgins
>> IMCA # 9822
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: "starsandscopes at aol.com" <starsandscopes at aol.com>
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 1:34:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Me to,  Mine came in the mail today as  well.
>>
>> A measure of it's "Cool Factor" is how long it takes me to put it  on a
>> microscope (My personal highest form of compliment)  The shots are  just
>> taken
>> through a stereo scope but it nicely shows off the crisp  detail.
>>
>> Very nice Jeff!  Well done!  This will be the last  scale cube I will
>> ever
>> need.
>>
>> Email me for some shots of the  cube!
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> In a message dated 12/21/2009 11:28:10 P.M. Mountain  Standard Time,
>> scientificlifestyle at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> Hello to the List,
>>
>> 'Just received my scale cube today as well. This is a very impressive
>> bit
>> of work!
>>
>> The markings are very crisp.
>>
>> This makes my desert  meteorite hunting withdrawals even worse.....
>>
>> Pining for the Playa,
>> Pat
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> Date: Mon, 21 Dec  2009 16:10:25 -0800
>>> From: damoclid at yahoo.com
>>> To:  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]  Scalecubes.com
>>>
>>> The mail service was a little slow, taking two  weeks for my cubes to
>> arrive, but today arrive they did.
>>> I notice Jeff's  site shows these are almost sold out, so I'd like to
>>> add
>> my voice to the chorus  and recommend that all who are considering
>> purchasing one or more of these fine  cubes, do so asap!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Kowalski
>>>  http://fullmoonphotography.net
>>> IMCA  #1081
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Tue Jan  5 14:23:54 2010
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:23:54 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still
	aMystery?????
References: <ad733151001040446v3b27c103lc6b11747359d02fb@mail.gmail.com>,
	<KCEHLCHBJMKNPLFNLIFEOECECHAA.bcmeteorites@gmail.com><COL106-W40A1ACB8E667A105C1FF29D2730@phx.gbl>,
	<925870588-1262710336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1707855831-@bda673.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><COL106-W22F9D449B7DA6D9B8CC3F0D2730@phx.gbl>
	<4B438FE7.8000808@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <E2258B019E774EFC8DD72BB22873374D@bellatrix>

Don't overlook (C) something explosive made the hole, or (D) that an object 
actually went upwards, not down.

There's nothing wrong if somebody wants to investigate, but the description 
of the event is not consistent with a meteorite impact, so it's also 
perfectly understandable for hunters to pass on this one.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still 
aMystery?????


> Hi Gary, Matt,
>
> Maybe you guys are simply being facetious or or skeptical. Maybe Matt, you 
> really didn't feel like it was worth it. But, I believe it is worth it 
> simply because it could have be a meteorite! And though up to this point 
> though none have been found to prove that case, the evidence still 
> suggests it could be. I know if I could have afforded it I would go 
> investigate.
>
> Did you see the photos? Read the articles, see the news report? Either A) 
> the bar is pulling a big hoax , or perhaps hiding an embarrassing flub, 
> and knocked the hole in the roof an tile themselves, or B) a small object 
> with a solid mass crashed through the roof and ceiling tile.
>
> Has anyone thought to ask the owners or bartender on duty that night for a 
> list of people that where there in the bar during the even. Locals know 
> locals and would probably be able to compile a list of people fairly 
> easily. Perhaps a meteorite did fall through the roof and only one person 
> saw it and took the object from the scene? Just hopeful thinking yes, but 
> it's a possibility.
>
> http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html
>
> Something fell through the roof. Where is it?
>
> Some people just don't have the gumption to get in the car and drive half 
> way across the country for a "possible" meteorite.
>
> If you've ever met Robert you'll know right away he's the kind of hunter 
> that does! He's got that air about him that just says "I'll go anywhere on 
> earth to find a meteorite."
>
> Way to go Robert!
>
> Regards,
> Eric



From lintonius at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  5 15:01:02 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:01:02 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Feature in the New "Astronomy"
	Magazine
References: <E24C3C56-97FA-4F4F-933B-A09423993E95@notkin.net>
Message-ID: <DE029683202A43239F2A16C07F97D3F3@D190TH71>

Thanks Geoff.
I just read the article this morning. A very enjoyable read.
I wish Ray would have included a little info on the main types of meteorites 
and perhaps touched on planetaries, hammers, etc. But soon, it escalates 
into a book, I suppose. Speaking of which, a couple good beginner books 
might have been mentioned, as well. Rocks From Space comes to mind.
A great article, regardless, and one that may bring some new blood (like me 
;^) into the field.
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Notkin" <geoking at notkin.net>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:37 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Feature in the New "Astronomy" Magazine


> Dear Listees:
>
> Greetings from sunny Tucson.
>
> I just received the new issue of "Astronomy" magazine (February 2010)  and 
> it includes a terrific four-page feature article by Ray Shubinski 
> entitled "How to start a meteorite collection." The story includes an 
> interview with our friend Anne Black, photos of Bob Haag, the mighty  Mike 
> Miller, Buddy Eisler and Steve and myself, as well as some in- situ pics 
> of West, Texas (Ash Creek) finds.
>
> It's a really good piece and a must-have for meteorite article 
> collectors. My compliments to Ray, editor Michael Bakich and their  team 
> on an excellent, in-depth feature. This is exactly the type of 
> sophisticated coverage that benefits our field.
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Geoff N.
>
> www.aerolite.org
> www.meteoritemen.com
> www.meteoriteblog.org
> ______________________________________________
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  5 15:09:09 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:09:09 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] OC man believes he's found a meteor
Message-ID: <SNT117-W294012EA85AF81D930B8DAD2730@phx.gbl>


OC man believes he's found a meteor


http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/20100105/NEWS01/1050355/-1/newsfront2/OC-man-says-he-found-meteor

OCEAN CITY -- Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket? An Ocean City man said he did just that.

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Derrick Miller was walking along the Boardwalk toward his Seventh Street home around 5:20 a.m., as he does every night after finishing his overnight taxi shift, when he saw an object falling from the sky at 21st Street and the Boardwalk. Miller said he saw the object while glancing over his shoulder, keeping a lookout for a fox that lives in the area, one he likes to feed hot dogs or doughnuts.

"I saw a shooting star," said Miller, 37. "It landed 15, 20 yards away from me in the sand. I walked up to see what it was. It still had, like, little flames coming out of these holes, and it was, like, glowing red hot. I basically just buried it and marked it so I could come back to get it the next day. When I got back, unburied it -- and the sand around it, it looked like little shards of glass, real thin glass. It was still warm to the touch."

Miller said the rock-like object measures 1 1/2 inches long by 1 inch wide and weighs 20 grams. He said it left a foot-wide divot in the sand 6 inches deep.

He said the only other person out on the Boardwalk at the time was a police officer. "I just happened to be in the right spot at the right time," Miller said.

A meteor is a piece of debris that falls to Earth from space. Most are pebble-sized, according to NASA. They are categorized either as a "find," with no regard to when they arrived, or a "fall" -- which means it's confirmed that a person watched the rock plummet to the surface and later retrieved it. Given that the earth's surface is about two-thirds water, most meteors land in the ocean. Meteors can land on other planetary bodies, too, like the moon.

According to Paul Warren, a researcher with the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics at the University of California Los Angeles, it's unlikely that a fall meteorite would have been burning or glowing at ground level.

"You see, the object comes through the atmosphere in a very brief time. It's coming at a cosmic velocity, an interplanetary velocity of about 10 miles a second or so," Warren said. "So the outside skin of the object will get very hot as it first encounters the atmosphere, but the interior is still very cold -- it's coming from space, where its temperature is freezing.

"So, by the time anybody could get to it, that skin, it's probably not going to be glowing by the time anybody can go over and look at it. It actually cools down as it comes down through the lower atmosphere. Everything is slowed greatly coming through the atmosphere unless it's very big.

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"If it's a big object, it'll make it down with its cosmic velocity, and that'll be potentially catastrophic, with a big impact crater. Meteorites, they've been slowed down and they land in a comparatively gentle way," he said.

According to The Meteoritical Society, a nonprofit group, there have been a total of 1,231 falls recorded globally to date. In the U.S., there were 149 since 1810, and in Maryland, only two have ever been confirmed: a 16 1/2-pound meteorite that fell near the Potomac River in Charles County in 1825, and a 24-gram object in St. Mary's County north of Point Lookout State Park in 1919.

Miller said he still hasn't decided what to do with his meteorite.

"I got a couple calls. One guy wants to buy it. I don't know, I really haven't thought about it yet. It's just sitting in my house," he said.

Warren suggested that Miller bring the object to a geologist to confirm its origin. He said his Los Angeles lab has bins full of "meteor wrongs," as he and his colleagues call them, brought by those hopeful to confirm their bolide is bona fide.

"When we look at them, unfortunately, most of the time, people are disappointed. Sometimes they're just crushed -- they can't believe it when we tell them that their grandfather's old rock he says fell from the sky is a piece of limestone," he said.

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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 15:11:01 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:11:01 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Feature in the New "Astronomy"
	Magazine
In-Reply-To: <DE029683202A43239F2A16C07F97D3F3@D190TH71>
References: <E24C3C56-97FA-4F4F-933B-A09423993E95@notkin.net>
	<DE029683202A43239F2A16C07F97D3F3@D190TH71>
Message-ID: <e51421551001051211n7b0c4b1dv9377a35424e69391@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Linton, Geoff, and List,

I haven't bought my copy of Astronomy yet.  I look forward to reading
the article.  Any opportunity for meteorites to get some positive
press is good for the hobby as a whole.  This kind of exposure
benefits us all - collectors, dealers, scientists, etc.

I'll plug my own article that I wrote a while back for the Cloudy
Nights online astronomy community.  It's about starting a meteorite
collection and it touches on the basics of the types, planetaries, and
storage/care.  The version of the article posted on my website was
proof-read and edited by one of our own List members and it contains
some improved photos (compared to the original article).

The article is geared towards newbies, and is titled "Meteorites -
Ambassadors from Space".

http://www.galactic-stone.com/pages/meteorites

I have been working on a follow-up that will be the second of two parts.

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG


On 1/5/10, Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Thanks Geoff.
> I just read the article this morning. A very enjoyable read.
> I wish Ray would have included a little info on the main types of meteorites
> and perhaps touched on planetaries, hammers, etc. But soon, it escalates
> into a book, I suppose. Speaking of which, a couple good beginner books
> might have been mentioned, as well. Rocks From Space comes to mind.
> A great article, regardless, and one that may bring some new blood (like me
> ;^) into the field.
> Linton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Notkin" <geoking at notkin.net>
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:37 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Feature in the New "Astronomy" Magazine
>
>
>> Dear Listees:
>>
>> Greetings from sunny Tucson.
>>
>> I just received the new issue of "Astronomy" magazine (February 2010)  and
>>
>> it includes a terrific four-page feature article by Ray Shubinski
>> entitled "How to start a meteorite collection." The story includes an
>> interview with our friend Anne Black, photos of Bob Haag, the mighty  Mike
>>
>> Miller, Buddy Eisler and Steve and myself, as well as some in- situ pics
>> of West, Texas (Ash Creek) finds.
>>
>> It's a really good piece and a must-have for meteorite article
>> collectors. My compliments to Ray, editor Michael Bakich and their  team
>> on an excellent, in-depth feature. This is exactly the type of
>> sophisticated coverage that benefits our field.
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Geoff N.
>>
>> www.aerolite.org
>> www.meteoritemen.com
>> www.meteoriteblog.org
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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>
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From jakewayne1989 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 15:11:10 2010
From: jakewayne1989 at yahoo.com (Jake Wayne)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:11:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a
	Mystery?????
Message-ID: <610503.60672.qm@web113006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Eric.....

I gather you keep up on these types of things considering the amount of time and effort you have put into your great websites.  Do you have any idea of the success rate of a hunter like Robert who will go just about anywhere to chase down a lead vs people who actually wait until a piece has been found or confirmed?

I would imagine that Robert's success rate would be low.  But at least he could be proud to know that he was willing to do the leg work and not sit on the sofa waiting for someone to do it for him.

Good Hunting to all willing to roll the dice.....

Jake
--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:

> From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 7:15 PM
> Hi Gary, Matt,
> 
> Maybe you guys are simply being facetious or or skeptical.
> Maybe Matt, you really didn't feel like it was worth it.
> But, I believe it is worth it simply because it could have
> be a meteorite! And though up to this point though none have
> been found to prove that case, the evidence still suggests
> it could be. I know if I could have afforded it I would go
> investigate.
> 
> Did you see the photos? Read the articles, see the news
> report? Either A) the bar is pulling a big hoax , or perhaps
> hiding an embarrassing flub, and knocked the hole in the
> roof an tile themselves, or B) a small object with a solid
> mass crashed through the roof and ceiling tile.
> 
> Has anyone thought to ask the owners or bartender on duty
> that night for a list of people that where there in the bar
> during the even. Locals know locals and would probably be
> able to compile a list of people fairly easily. Perhaps a
> meteorite did fall through the roof and only one person saw
> it and took the object from the scene? Just hopeful thinking
> yes, but it's a possibility.
> 
> http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html
> 
> Something fell through the roof. Where is it?
> 
> Some people just don't have the gumption to get in the car
> and drive half way across the country for a "possible"
> meteorite.
> 
> If you've ever met Robert you'll know right away he's the
> kind of hunter that does! He's got that air about him that
> just says "I'll go anywhere on earth to find a meteorite."
> 
> Way to go Robert!
> 
> Regards,
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/5/2010 10:10 AM, Gary Chase wrote:
> > Good Call.? Why waste your time on something that
> is not a sure thing.
> > 
> > Gary
> > 
> >? ? 
> >> >? Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in
> Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
> >> >? To:garychase at live.com;meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> >? From:mail at mhmeteorites.com
> >> >? Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:52:14 +0000
> >> >? >? Didn't seem worth is to me.
> >> >? ----------------------
> >> >? Matt Morgan
> >> >? Mile High Meteorites
> >> >? http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> >> >? P.O. Box 151293
> >> >? Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
> >>? ? ? 
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From Impactika at aol.com  Tue Jan  5 15:35:24 2010
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:35:24 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a
	Mystery?????
Message-ID: <c2f.64375922.3874fc8c@aol.com>

No need to go down to Colorado Springs.
Bob Falls lives right there. He can take care of things. He does not need 
either Matt or me.
He will know a meteorite when he sees one.
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
 
 
In a message dated 1/5/2010 10:02:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
mail at mhmeteorites.com writes:
Didn't seem worth is to me.
----------------------
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Chase <garychase at live.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:23:13 
To: meteoritecentral<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
?????


"Robert Ward drove through the night from Arizona to investigate"?  

I don't understand.  Aren't there meteorite dealers and collectors closer 
to the sight to check it out?  Anne?  Matt?


Gary


> From: bcmeteorites at gmail.com
> To: mpg4444 at gmail.com; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:39:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> 
> This link is for the article on the front page of the local Colorado 
Springs
> paper "The Gazette" this morning with picture of Robert Ward holding the 
ceiling tile with the
> "mystery" hole in it.
> 
> http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html
> 
> Bob Falls
> colorado Springs, CO
> 


From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Tue Jan  5 15:33:55 2010
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:33:55 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still
	aMystery?????
In-Reply-To: <610503.60672.qm@web113006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <610503.60672.qm@web113006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1713354480-1262723632-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1286635562-@bda673.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Jake and all involved in this thread,

Believe me, I wish I had the luxury of time that Robert has to go off and chase fireballs. Really I do and I envy those that can.  But I would hardly say that those of us that are interested in working with the public in regard to meteorites are merely "sitting on the couch." Just because you don't chase every meteor doesn't make you some sort of "meteorite slouch".  Other commitments like kids, spouses, jobs, etc., make hunting nearly impossible for me.

I am a bit sensitive to such a comment because I know of the extraordinary efforts many of us make to educate the public go completely unnoticed by many of you and the press. Cheer on those that can afford the time to hunt and applaud those that can turn on future meteorite enthusiasts through education, at their own pace.

Matt
----------------------
Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wayne <jakewayne1989 at yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:11:10 
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a
	Mystery?????

Hi Eric.....

I gather you keep up on these types of things considering the amount of time and effort you have put into your great websites.  Do you have any idea of the success rate of a hunter like Robert who will go just about anywhere to chase down a lead vs people who actually wait until a piece has been found or confirmed?

I would imagine that Robert's success rate would be low.  But at least he could be proud to know that he was willing to do the leg work and not sit on the sofa waiting for someone to do it for him.

Good Hunting to all willing to roll the dice.....

Jake
--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:

> From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 7:15 PM
> Hi Gary, Matt,
> 
> Maybe you guys are simply being facetious or or skeptical.
> Maybe Matt, you really didn't feel like it was worth it.
> But, I believe it is worth it simply because it could have
> be a meteorite! And though up to this point though none have
> been found to prove that case, the evidence still suggests
> it could be. I know if I could have afforded it I would go
> investigate.
> 
> Did you see the photos? Read the articles, see the news
> report? Either A) the bar is pulling a big hoax , or perhaps
> hiding an embarrassing flub, and knocked the hole in the
> roof an tile themselves, or B) a small object with a solid
> mass crashed through the roof and ceiling tile.
> 
> Has anyone thought to ask the owners or bartender on duty
> that night for a list of people that where there in the bar
> during the even. Locals know locals and would probably be
> able to compile a list of people fairly easily. Perhaps a
> meteorite did fall through the roof and only one person saw
> it and took the object from the scene? Just hopeful thinking
> yes, but it's a possibility.
> 
> http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html
> 
> Something fell through the roof. Where is it?
> 
> Some people just don't have the gumption to get in the car
> and drive half way across the country for a "possible"
> meteorite.
> 
> If you've ever met Robert you'll know right away he's the
> kind of hunter that does! He's got that air about him that
> just says "I'll go anywhere on earth to find a meteorite."
> 
> Way to go Robert!
> 
> Regards,
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/5/2010 10:10 AM, Gary Chase wrote:
> > Good Call.? Why waste your time on something that
> is not a sure thing.
> > 
> > Gary
> > 
> >? ? 
> >> >? Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in
> Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
> >> >? To:garychase at live.com;meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> >? From:mail at mhmeteorites.com
> >> >? Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:52:14 +0000
> >> >? >? Didn't seem worth is to me.
> >> >? ----------------------
> >> >? Matt Morgan
> >> >? Mile High Meteorites
> >> >? http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> >> >? P.O. Box 151293
> >> >? Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
> >>? ? ? 
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Tue Jan  5 15:35:10 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:35:10 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof
	Still	aMystery?????
In-Reply-To: <E2258B019E774EFC8DD72BB22873374D@bellatrix>
References: <ad733151001040446v3b27c103lc6b11747359d02fb@mail.gmail.com>,
	<KCEHLCHBJMKNPLFNLIFEOECECHAA.bcmeteorites@gmail.com><COL106-W40A1ACB8E667A105C1FF29D2730@phx.gbl>,
	<925870588-1262710336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1707855831-@bda673.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><COL106-W22F9D449B7DA6D9B8CC3F0D2730@phx.gbl>	<4B438FE7.8000808@meteoritesusa.com>
	<E2258B019E774EFC8DD72BB22873374D@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <4B43A27E.8080103@meteoritesusa.com>

Hey Chris, List,

The report does state that there were no burn marks (possible 
fireworks?) or evidence of anything hot. D) If you look at the photos 
you'll notice the opening seems to support a "falling" object. Robert 
said himself, (unless misquoted) that ?If you look at that hole, it 
shows that something small hit the roof at a high velocity,?

The comment "...reports of a loud noise almost precisely at the moment 
the building was struck are a solid clue that the object didn't come 
from space...." is misplaced and presumptive in my opinion. This is 
assuming the "loud noise" in question was a sonic boom, which people 
didn't say sonic boom, they said loud boom. The people who reported the 
"boom" were only 3 blocks away. And how do they know the exact moment of 
impact anyway since they saw nothing? No one except the people in the 
bar at the time of the event know that, or perhaps an eyewitness 
standing on the street outside the bar.

It's highly possible it could have been some explosive device such as 
fireworks. A large mortar could possibly make a whole that large. But 
the lack of burn marks doesn't support that.

Unless...

Here's a scenario. A large mortar exploded ABOVE the roof, not on it, 
and a piece of debris flew through the roof and ceiling tile. This would 
explain the lack of burning, it would explain the boom that was heard, 
and would explain the hole in the roof. It would also explain why there 
is no meteorite or rock found as of yet because while people are busy 
searching for rocks, the "debris" that actually caused the hole could be 
a hidden amongst the pieces of roofing material, wood splinters and 
insulation and look like nothing more than piece of the roof. Anyway, 
that's what I get from it, but what do I know?

"...The hole was clearly made from the roof down, which meant it wasn?t 
caused by gunfire in the bar, and there?s no burn marks or signs of high 
heat that would indicate lightning...."

The point is something either blew a hole in the roof or knocked a hole 
in the roof from to TOP DOWN. It's still a possibility that it could be 
a meteorite. Until proven it's not, we have to be open about the 
possibility.

Regards,
Eric



On 1/5/2010 11:23 AM, Chris Peterson wrote:
> Don't overlook (C) something explosive made the hole, or (D) that an 
> object actually went upwards, not down.
>
> There's nothing wrong if somebody wants to investigate, but the 
> description of the event is not consistent with a meteorite impact, so 
> it's also perfectly understandable for hunters to pass on this one.
>
> Chris
>
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meteorites USA" 
> <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still 
> aMystery?????
>
>
>> Hi Gary, Matt,
>>
>> Maybe you guys are simply being facetious or or skeptical. Maybe 
>> Matt, you really didn't feel like it was worth it. But, I believe it 
>> is worth it simply because it could have be a meteorite! And though 
>> up to this point though none have been found to prove that case, the 
>> evidence still suggests it could be. I know if I could have afforded 
>> it I would go investigate.
>>
>> Did you see the photos? Read the articles, see the news report? 
>> Either A) the bar is pulling a big hoax , or perhaps hiding an 
>> embarrassing flub, and knocked the hole in the roof an tile 
>> themselves, or B) a small object with a solid mass crashed through 
>> the roof and ceiling tile.
>>
>> Has anyone thought to ask the owners or bartender on duty that night 
>> for a list of people that where there in the bar during the even. 
>> Locals know locals and would probably be able to compile a list of 
>> people fairly easily. Perhaps a meteorite did fall through the roof 
>> and only one person saw it and took the object from the scene? Just 
>> hopeful thinking yes, but it's a possibility.
>>
>> http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html
>>
>> Something fell through the roof. Where is it?
>>
>> Some people just don't have the gumption to get in the car and drive 
>> half way across the country for a "possible" meteorite.
>>
>> If you've ever met Robert you'll know right away he's the kind of 
>> hunter that does! He's got that air about him that just says "I'll go 
>> anywhere on earth to find a meteorite."
>>
>> Way to go Robert!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric
>
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  5 15:36:03 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:36:03 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] OC man believes he's found a meteor
References: <SNT117-W294012EA85AF81D930B8DAD2730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6CE07632C3514CBAB3194F502CF7855F@D190TH71>

"It still had, like, little flames coming out of these holes, and it was, 
like, glowing red hot."
Uhhh, right. Say no more.
Seems like this trend is on the increase.
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Stanley" <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:09 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] OC man believes he's found a meteor


>
> OC man believes he's found a meteor
>
>
> http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/20100105/NEWS01/1050355/-1/newsfront2/OC-man-says-he-found-meteor
>
> OCEAN CITY -- Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket? An Ocean 
> City man said he did just that.
>
> Quantcast
>
> Derrick Miller was walking along the Boardwalk toward his Seventh Street 
> home around 5:20 a.m., as he does every night after finishing his 
> overnight taxi shift, when he saw an object falling from the sky at 21st 
> Street and the Boardwalk. Miller said he saw the object while glancing 
> over his shoulder, keeping a lookout for a fox that lives in the area, one 
> he likes to feed hot dogs or doughnuts.
>
> "I saw a shooting star," said Miller, 37. "It landed 15, 20 yards away 
> from me in the sand. I walked up to see what it was. It still had, like, 
> little flames coming out of these holes, and it was, like, glowing red 
> hot. I basically just buried it and marked it so I could come back to get 
> it the next day. When I got back, unburied it -- and the sand around it, 
> it looked like little shards of glass, real thin glass. It was still warm 
> to the touch."
>
> Miller said the rock-like object measures 1 1/2 inches long by 1 inch wide 
> and weighs 20 grams. He said it left a foot-wide divot in the sand 6 
> inches deep.
>
> He said the only other person out on the Boardwalk at the time was a 
> police officer. "I just happened to be in the right spot at the right 
> time," Miller said.
>
> A meteor is a piece of debris that falls to Earth from space. Most are 
> pebble-sized, according to NASA. They are categorized either as a "find," 
> with no regard to when they arrived, or a "fall" -- which means it's 
> confirmed that a person watched the rock plummet to the surface and later 
> retrieved it. Given that the earth's surface is about two-thirds water, 
> most meteors land in the ocean. Meteors can land on other planetary 
> bodies, too, like the moon.
>
> According to Paul Warren, a researcher with the Institute of Geophysics 
> and Planetary Physics at the University of California Los Angeles, it's 
> unlikely that a fall meteorite would have been burning or glowing at 
> ground level.
>
> "You see, the object comes through the atmosphere in a very brief time. 
> It's coming at a cosmic velocity, an interplanetary velocity of about 10 
> miles a second or so," Warren said. "So the outside skin of the object 
> will get very hot as it first encounters the atmosphere, but the interior 
> is still very cold -- it's coming from space, where its temperature is 
> freezing.
>
> "So, by the time anybody could get to it, that skin, it's probably not 
> going to be glowing by the time anybody can go over and look at it. It 
> actually cools down as it comes down through the lower atmosphere. 
> Everything is slowed greatly coming through the atmosphere unless it's 
> very big.
>
> Quantcast
>
> "If it's a big object, it'll make it down with its cosmic velocity, and 
> that'll be potentially catastrophic, with a big impact crater. Meteorites, 
> they've been slowed down and they land in a comparatively gentle way," he 
> said.
>
> According to The Meteoritical Society, a nonprofit group, there have been 
> a total of 1,231 falls recorded globally to date. In the U.S., there were 
> 149 since 1810, and in Maryland, only two have ever been confirmed: a 16 
> 1/2-pound meteorite that fell near the Potomac River in Charles County in 
> 1825, and a 24-gram object in St. Mary's County north of Point Lookout 
> State Park in 1919.
>
> Miller said he still hasn't decided what to do with his meteorite.
>
> "I got a couple calls. One guy wants to buy it. I don't know, I really 
> haven't thought about it yet. It's just sitting in my house," he said.
>
> Warren suggested that Miller bring the object to a geologist to confirm 
> its origin. He said his Los Angeles lab has bins full of "meteor wrongs," 
> as he and his colleagues call them, brought by those hopeful to confirm 
> their bolide is bona fide.
>
> "When we look at them, unfortunately, most of the time, people are 
> disappointed. Sometimes they're just crushed -- they can't believe it when 
> we tell them that their grandfather's old rock he says fell from the sky 
> is a piece of limestone," he said.
>
> bshane at dmg.gannett.com 410-213-9442, ext.
>
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  5 15:51:55 2010
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:51:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] OC man believes he's found a meteor
In-Reply-To: <6CE07632C3514CBAB3194F502CF7855F@D190TH71>
References: <SNT117-W294012EA85AF81D930B8DAD2730@phx.gbl>
	<6CE07632C3514CBAB3194F502CF7855F@D190TH71>
Message-ID: <76762.78538.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

OC man should stand for Ordinary Con man.  He looks as if he had been sniffing too much sauce over the holidays. He appears to be blown clean out of his "like" sneakers.  Just another idiot chasing press!

Take Care,

Adam
 



----- Original Message ----
From: Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net>
To: Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 12:36:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OC man believes he's found a meteor

"It still had, like, little flames coming out of these holes, and it was, like, glowing red hot."
Uhhh, right. Say no more.
Seems like this trend is on the increase.
Linton

----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stanley" <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:09 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] OC man believes he's found a meteor


> 
> OC man believes he's found a meteor
> 
> 
> http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/20100105/NEWS01/1050355/-1/newsfront2/OC-man-says-he-found-meteor
> 
> OCEAN CITY -- Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket? An Ocean City man said he did just that.
> 
> Quantcast
> 
> Derrick Miller was walking along the Boardwalk toward his Seventh Street home around 5:20 a.m., as he does every night after finishing his overnight taxi shift, when he saw an object falling from the sky at 21st Street and the Boardwalk. Miller said he saw the object while glancing over his shoulder, keeping a lookout for a fox that lives in the area, one he likes to feed hot dogs or doughnuts.
> 
> "I saw a shooting star," said Miller, 37. "It landed 15, 20 yards away from me in the sand. I walked up to see what it was. It still had, like, little flames coming out of these holes, and it was, like, glowing red hot. I basically just buried it and marked it so I could come back to get it the next day. When I got back, unburied it -- and the sand around it, it looked like little shards of glass, real thin glass. It was still warm to the touch."
> 
> Miller said the rock-like object measures 1 1/2 inches long by 1 inch wide and weighs 20 grams. He said it left a foot-wide divot in the sand 6 inches deep.
> 
> He said the only other person out on the Boardwalk at the time was a police officer. "I just happened to be in the right spot at the right time," Miller said.
> 
> A meteor is a piece of debris that falls to Earth from space. Most are pebble-sized, according to NASA. They are categorized either as a "find," with no regard to when they arrived, or a "fall" -- which means it's confirmed that a person watched the rock plummet to the surface and later retrieved it. Given that the earth's surface is about two-thirds water, most meteors land in the ocean. Meteors can land on other planetary bodies, too, like the moon.
> 
> According to Paul Warren, a researcher with the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics at the University of California Los Angeles, it's unlikely that a fall meteorite would have been burning or glowing at ground level.
> 
> "You see, the object comes through the atmosphere in a very brief time. It's coming at a cosmic velocity, an interplanetary velocity of about 10 miles a second or so," Warren said. "So the outside skin of the object will get very hot as it first encounters the atmosphere, but the interior is still very cold -- it's coming from space, where its temperature is freezing.
> 
> "So, by the time anybody could get to it, that skin, it's probably not going to be glowing by the time anybody can go over and look at it. It actually cools down as it comes down through the lower atmosphere. Everything is slowed greatly coming through the atmosphere unless it's very big.
> 
> Quantcast
> 
> "If it's a big object, it'll make it down with its cosmic velocity, and that'll be potentially catastrophic, with a big impact crater. Meteorites, they've been slowed down and they land in a comparatively gentle way," he said.
> 
> According to The Meteoritical Society, a nonprofit group, there have been a total of 1,231 falls recorded globally to date. In the U.S., there were 149 since 1810, and in Maryland, only two have ever been confirmed: a 16 1/2-pound meteorite that fell near the Potomac River in Charles County in 1825, and a 24-gram object in St. Mary's County north of Point Lookout State Park in 1919.
> 
> Miller said he still hasn't decided what to do with his meteorite.
> 
> "I got a couple calls. One guy wants to buy it. I don't know, I really haven't thought about it yet. It's just sitting in my house," he said.
> 
> Warren suggested that Miller bring the object to a geologist to confirm its origin. He said his Los Angeles lab has bins full of "meteor wrongs," as he and his colleagues call them, brought by those hopeful to confirm their bolide is bona fide.
> 
> "When we look at them, unfortunately, most of the time, people are disappointed. Sometimes they're just crushed -- they can't believe it when we tell them that their grandfather's old rock he says fell from the sky is a piece of limestone," he said.
> 
> bshane at dmg.gannett.com 410-213-9442, ext.
> 
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Tue Jan  5 15:54:53 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:54:53 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still
	a	Mystery?????
In-Reply-To: <610503.60672.qm@web113006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <610503.60672.qm@web113006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B43A71D.9010904@meteoritesusa.com>

Jake, List,

I'd be careful about calling someone an armchair hunter. I made that 
mistake once... ;) LOL We all know how that turned out.

Yes I am very aware of the time meteorite hunters like Robert spend 
chasing fireballs and other possible meteorite falls. In addition  There 
are MANY other hunters and many friends of mine that do take the time to 
get out there and hunt. Mike Miller, and Ruben Garcia are perfect 
examples. They've spent thousands and thousands of hours in the field 
and combined have found thousands of meteorites yet it's still rare to 
find one and not everyone has the luxury to get out there and hunt. Many 
people say mistakenly that "You got lucky!" or "You're so lucky to have 
found that meteorite."  I'm sure many of you know that it isn't luck! 
Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold are fortunate enough to get paid to do it, 
but they spent years hunting meteorites and pounding the ground to get 
where they are now. Mike Farmer, Greg and Adam Hupe, Sonny Clary, Jim 
Kriegh, Jim Smaller, and countless other professional meteorite hunters 
have spent combined probably tens of thousands of hours pounding the 
ground looking for meteorites. If you were to take the percentages of 
actual successful trips and combine them all into a statistic it would 
probably amount to less than 5% success rate when compared to all the 
time spent in the field.

I think everyone on this list understands and would agree that 
meteorites are hard to find and that not everyone has the luxury of 
time, or money to gt out there and hunt even though they may really want 
to and would give just about anything to do it.

Even though someone may be willing the may not be able due to certain 
family and financial responsibilities.

Regards,
Eric


On 1/5/2010 12:11 PM, Jake Wayne wrote:
> Hi Eric.....
>
> I gather you keep up on these types of things considering the amount of time and effort you have put into your great websites.  Do you have any idea of the success rate of a hunter like Robert who will go just about anywhere to chase down a lead vs people who actually wait until a piece has been found or confirmed?
>
> I would imagine that Robert's success rate would be low.  But at least he could be proud to know that he was willing to do the leg work and not sit on the sofa waiting for someone to do it for him.
>
> Good Hunting to all willing to roll the dice.....
>
> Jake
> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Meteorites USA<eric at meteoritesusa.com>  wrote:
>
>    
>> From: Meteorites USA<eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 7:15 PM
>> Hi Gary, Matt,
>>
>> Maybe you guys are simply being facetious or or skeptical.
>> Maybe Matt, you really didn't feel like it was worth it.
>> But, I believe it is worth it simply because it could have
>> be a meteorite! And though up to this point though none have
>> been found to prove that case, the evidence still suggests
>> it could be. I know if I could have afforded it I would go
>> investigate.
>>
>> Did you see the photos? Read the articles, see the news
>> report? Either A) the bar is pulling a big hoax , or perhaps
>> hiding an embarrassing flub, and knocked the hole in the
>> roof an tile themselves, or B) a small object with a solid
>> mass crashed through the roof and ceiling tile.
>>
>> Has anyone thought to ask the owners or bartender on duty
>> that night for a list of people that where there in the bar
>> during the even. Locals know locals and would probably be
>> able to compile a list of people fairly easily. Perhaps a
>> meteorite did fall through the roof and only one person saw
>> it and took the object from the scene? Just hopeful thinking
>> yes, but it's a possibility.
>>
>> http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html
>>
>> Something fell through the roof. Where is it?
>>
>> Some people just don't have the gumption to get in the car
>> and drive half way across the country for a "possible"
>> meteorite.
>>
>> If you've ever met Robert you'll know right away he's the
>> kind of hunter that does! He's got that air about him that
>> just says "I'll go anywhere on earth to find a meteorite."
>>
>> Way to go Robert!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/5/2010 10:10 AM, Gary Chase wrote:
>>      
>>> Good Call.  Why waste your time on something that
>>>        
>> is not a sure thing.
>>      
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>>>>>    Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in
>>>>>            
>> Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
>>      
>>>>>    To:garychase at live.com;meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>    From:mail at mhmeteorites.com
>>>>>    Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:52:14 +0000
>>>>>    >   Didn't seem worth is to me.
>>>>>    ----------------------
>>>>>    Matt Morgan
>>>>>    Mile High Meteorites
>>>>>    http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>>>>>    P.O. Box 151293
>>>>>    Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>>>>>            
>>>>
>>>>          
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Mon Jan  4 18:24:02 2010
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:24:02 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:	Happy New Year! The Cottingham Collection Will
	be dismantled This Year! SALE IN MY STORE!
Message-ID: <E4D46C3A-39F0-41CA-90EB-9162107CEA0A@gilanet.com>

Hello,

After, trying to sell my collection as a whole entity last year, and  
with many close, but no complete sales concluded, I have decided to  
begin the cutting and selling of many of the pieces within the  
collection. Over the next few months, I will have thousands of  
specimens available. However, I do wish for people to get their BEST  
OFFERS in to save many of the larger ones from the saw.  Many key  
pieces have already found good homes.  More on this soon...


Go to:

SEE ALL ITEMS ON SALE IN MY STORE!
http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history



Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham


From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Tue Jan  5 16:40:21 2010
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:40:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge RoofStill	aMystery?????
References: <ad733151001040446v3b27c103lc6b11747359d02fb@mail.gmail.com>,
	<KCEHLCHBJMKNPLFNLIFEOECECHAA.bcmeteorites@gmail.com><COL106-W40A1ACB8E667A105C1FF29D2730@phx.gbl>,
	<925870588-1262710336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1707855831-@bda673.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><COL106-W22F9D449B7DA6D9B8CC3F0D2730@phx.gbl>	<4B438FE7.8000808@meteoritesusa.com><E2258B019E774EFC8DD72BB22873374D@bellatrix>
	<4B43A27E.8080103@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <5042D04A6C694663AAFF3771E4BCFAE2@bellatrix>

The report indicates that patrons of the bar heard the boom at the same time 
as the hole appeared. The description seems to suggest something more like a 
sonic boom or explosion than simple impact noise, which is also supported by 
reports from more distant witnesses. That is certainly not what we'd expect 
from a meteorite event.

Many explosive devices burn far too fast to leave burn or scorch marks, and 
aside from the comment in the article, nothing convinces me that an object 
moved down, rather than up. The two can be very difficult to tell apart.

Certainly, a meteorite is possible. But that doesn't explain the booming 
noise, the lack of any fireball, and it doesn't explain the complete absence 
of any meteoritic material inside the bar. Lightning (there was some snow 
thunder that evening- I heard it myself) or some sort of fireworks are far 
more likely.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge RoofStill 
aMystery?????


Hey Chris, List,

The report does state that there were no burn marks (possible
fireworks?) or evidence of anything hot. D) If you look at the photos
you'll notice the opening seems to support a "falling" object. Robert
said himself, (unless misquoted) that ?If you look at that hole, it
shows that something small hit the roof at a high velocity,?

The comment "...reports of a loud noise almost precisely at the moment
the building was struck are a solid clue that the object didn't come
from space...." is misplaced and presumptive in my opinion. This is
assuming the "loud noise" in question was a sonic boom, which people
didn't say sonic boom, they said loud boom. The people who reported the
"boom" were only 3 blocks away. And how do they know the exact moment of
impact anyway since they saw nothing? No one except the people in the
bar at the time of the event know that, or perhaps an eyewitness
standing on the street outside the bar.

It's highly possible it could have been some explosive device such as
fireworks. A large mortar could possibly make a whole that large. But
the lack of burn marks doesn't support that.

Unless...

Here's a scenario. A large mortar exploded ABOVE the roof, not on it,
and a piece of debris flew through the roof and ceiling tile. This would
explain the lack of burning, it would explain the boom that was heard,
and would explain the hole in the roof. It would also explain why there
is no meteorite or rock found as of yet because while people are busy
searching for rocks, the "debris" that actually caused the hole could be
a hidden amongst the pieces of roofing material, wood splinters and
insulation and look like nothing more than piece of the roof. Anyway,
that's what I get from it, but what do I know?

"...The hole was clearly made from the roof down, which meant it wasn?t
caused by gunfire in the bar, and there?s no burn marks or signs of high
heat that would indicate lightning...."

The point is something either blew a hole in the roof or knocked a hole
in the roof from to TOP DOWN. It's still a possibility that it could be
a meteorite. Until proven it's not, we have to be open about the
possibility.



From dragonsoup at msn.com  Tue Jan  5 18:12:47 2010
From: dragonsoup at msn.com (Maria Haas)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:12:47 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] OC man believes he's found a meteor
In-Reply-To: <76762.78538.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <SNT117-W294012EA85AF81D930B8DAD2730@phx.gbl>,
	<6CE07632C3514CBAB3194F502CF7855F@D190TH71>,
	<76762.78538.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU133-W8ADFF4F827A9EF45BC6B1CD730@phx.gbl>


Hi Adam and List,
 
Happy New Year everyone!

Hmmm. Any suspicious-looking persons holding barbecue tongs within throwing distance beside or below the boardwalk? 

Darn those pesky charcoal briquettes from space.

;o)
Maria



> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:51:55 -0800
> From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OC man believes he's found a meteor
> 
> OC man should stand for Ordinary Con man. He looks as if he had been sniffing too much sauce over the holidays. He appears to be blown clean out of his "like" sneakers. Just another idiot chasing press!
> 
> Take Care,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net>
> To: Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 12:36:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OC man believes he's found a meteor
> 
> "It still had, like, little flames coming out of these holes, and it was, like, glowing red hot."
> Uhhh, right. Say no more.
> Seems like this trend is on the increase.
> Linton
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Stanley" <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:09 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] OC man believes he's found a meteor
> 
> 
>> 
>> OC man believes he's found a meteor
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/20100105/NEWS01/1050355/-1/newsfront2/OC-man-says-he-found-meteor
>> 
>> OCEAN CITY -- Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket? An Ocean City man said he did just that.
>> 
>> Quantcast
>> 
>> Derrick Miller was walking along the Boardwalk toward his Seventh Street home around 5:20 a.m., as he does every night after finishing his overnight taxi shift, when he saw an object falling from the sky at 21st Street and the Boardwalk. Miller said he saw the object while glancing over his shoulder, keeping a lookout for a fox that lives in the area, one he likes to feed hot dogs or doughnuts.
>> 
>> "I saw a shooting star," said Miller, 37. "It landed 15, 20 yards away from me in the sand. I walked up to see what it was. It still had, like, little flames coming out of these holes, and it was, like, glowing red hot. I basically just buried it and marked it so I could come back to get it the next day. When I got back, unburied it -- and the sand around it, it looked like little shards of glass, real thin glass. It was still warm to the touch."
>> 
>> Miller said the rock-like object measures 1 1/2 inches long by 1 inch wide and weighs 20 grams. He said it left a foot-wide divot in the sand 6 inches deep.
>> 
>> He said the only other person out on the Boardwalk at the time was a police officer. "I just happened to be in the right spot at the right time," Miller said.
>> 
>> A meteor is a piece of debris that falls to Earth from space. Most are pebble-sized, according to NASA. They are categorized either as a "find," with no regard to when they arrived, or a "fall" -- which means it's confirmed that a person watched the rock plummet to the surface and later retrieved it. Given that the earth's surface is about two-thirds water, most meteors land in the ocean. Meteors can land on other planetary bodies, too, like the moon.
>> 
>> According to Paul Warren, a researcher with the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics at the University of California Los Angeles, it's unlikely that a fall meteorite would have been burning or glowing at ground level.
>> 
>> "You see, the object comes through the atmosphere in a very brief time. It's coming at a cosmic velocity, an interplanetary velocity of about 10 miles a second or so," Warren said. "So the outside skin of the object will get very hot as it first encounters the atmosphere, but the interior is still very cold -- it's coming from space, where its temperature is freezing.
>> 
>> "So, by the time anybody could get to it, that skin, it's probably not going to be glowing by the time anybody can go over and look at it. It actually cools down as it comes down through the lower atmosphere. Everything is slowed greatly coming through the atmosphere unless it's very big.
>> 
>> Quantcast
>> 
>> "If it's a big object, it'll make it down with its cosmic velocity, and that'll be potentially catastrophic, with a big impact crater. Meteorites, they've been slowed down and they land in a comparatively gentle way," he said.
>> 
>> According to The Meteoritical Society, a nonprofit group, there have been a total of 1,231 falls recorded globally to date. In the U.S., there were 149 since 1810, and in Maryland, only two have ever been confirmed: a 16 1/2-pound meteorite that fell near the Potomac River in Charles County in 1825, and a 24-gram object in St. Mary's County north of Point Lookout State Park in 1919.
>> 
>> Miller said he still hasn't decided what to do with his meteorite.
>> 
>> "I got a couple calls. One guy wants to buy it. I don't know, I really haven't thought about it yet. It's just sitting in my house," he said.
>> 
>> Warren suggested that Miller bring the object to a geologist to confirm its origin. He said his Los Angeles lab has bins full of "meteor wrongs," as he and his colleagues call them, brought by those hopeful to confirm their bolide is bona fide.
>> 
>> "When we look at them, unfortunately, most of the time, people are disappointed. Sometimes they're just crushed -- they can't believe it when we tell them that their grandfather's old rock he says fell from the sky is a piece of limestone," he said.
>> 
>> bshane at dmg.gannett.com 410-213-9442, ext.
>> 
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From pgspears at cox.net  Tue Jan  5 18:25:19 2010
From: pgspears at cox.net (Paul  G. Spears)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:25:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Saw/grinder/polixher information
Message-ID: <5713949E4AB048B790F1970CC11EF1EE@GrandpasNetbook>

Hi, everyone;
Happy New Year to all!  May 2010 bring  much health, happiness, and 
prosperity  to everyone.

My new year will be a lot more fun if I can find better equipment for 
cutting and grinding my meteorites.  If anyone has good equipment that 
he/she has outgrown and wants to move it, please contact me off-list.

Keep looking up!
Paul 



From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Jan  5 19:13:45 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:13:45 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] OC man believes he's found a meteor
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W294012EA85AF81D930B8DAD2730@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT117-W294012EA85AF81D930B8DAD2730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <n8l7k5d32ukmgt8i3op3ujb3mt6eem8jjv@4ax.com>

This is the same scam (but different article) I posted on December 26th.  The
original article has a better shot of the chunk of whatever.  Looks like
something (can't be sure what from the photo) has deposited shell material
around it.  Maybe an piece of fossil bone?

http://www.mdcoastdispatch.com/article.php?cid=37&id=7767


From tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com  Tue Jan  5 19:38:55 2010
From: tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com (Tom Randall (KB2SMS))
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:38:55 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] OC man believes he's found a meteor
Message-ID: <D71AC624-0A91-4582-AEC9-22CA1B929C75@hvc.rr.com>


Hi all and Happy New year!

I had a guy on an HF ham radio net a few years ago tell me he saw a  
"flaming meteorite" land right near him. He swore it was "sparking"  
as it hit and was red hot and smoking. I tried to explain to him it  
wasn't possible but he wouldn't hear of it. I suggested that maybe  
someone was playing a joke on him but "no way" was his answer. I let  
it go and moved on.


-----
"I lent a guy $10,000 for plastic surgery now I can't find him, I  
don't know what he looks
like" - Rodney Dangerfield

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From GeoZay at aol.com  Tue Jan  5 19:46:28 2010
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:46:28 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] OC man believes he's found a meteor
Message-ID: <c1a.735917e1.38753764@aol.com>

>>I suggested that maybe  
someone  was playing a joke on him but "no way" was his answer. I let  
it go and  moved on.<<

Smart move...once you've pointed out his error, you  done your job. At that 
point, his not seeing the light is nothing more than  trying to save face 
over his original story, however ridiculous it may be.Who  knows, the next 
time he tells such a cock and bull story to someone else, there  might be 
something in it to believe.  :O)
GeoZay  



From nakhladog at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 22:58:14 2010
From: nakhladog at comcast.net (Rob Wesel)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:58:14 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
References: <10dac.4d6f210b.3861c272@aol.com>
	<932225.23333.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A6E09F788521466389B23003E056DDDB@windows9bb74fe>

It's the only cube I keep IN the display cabinet.

Excellent execution Mr. Kuyken.

Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/nakhladog
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John higgins" <geohiggins at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com


> Mine came in  yesterday!
>
> Must say they truly are amazing Jeff!
> Really great, can't believe how heavy they are, and the letters are so 
> clean a crisp, I highly recommend them to everybody!
> Whats really cool about them is that they have just the slightest magnetic 
> field with north and south poles.
> Thank you so much for providing the meteorite community with these 
> excellent, affordable tools and collectible ones at that!
>
> Have a Great Day!
> John Higgins
> IMCA # 9822
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "starsandscopes at aol.com" <starsandscopes at aol.com>
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 1:34:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
>
>
>
> Me to,  Mine came in the mail today as  well.
>
> A measure of it's "Cool Factor" is how long it takes me to put it  on a
> microscope (My personal highest form of compliment)  The shots are  just 
> taken
> through a stereo scope but it nicely shows off the crisp  detail.
>
> Very nice Jeff!  Well done!  This will be the last  scale cube I will ever
> need.
>
> Email me for some shots of the  cube!
>
> Tom
>
> In a message dated 12/21/2009 11:28:10 P.M. Mountain  Standard Time,
> scientificlifestyle at hotmail.com writes:
>
> Hello to the List,
>
> 'Just received my scale cube today as well. This is a very impressive  bit
> of work!
>
> The markings are very crisp.
>
> This makes my desert  meteorite hunting withdrawals even worse.....
>
> Pining for the Playa,
> Pat
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 21 Dec  2009 16:10:25 -0800
>> From: damoclid at yahoo.com
>> To:  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]  Scalecubes.com
>>
>> The mail service was a little slow, taking two  weeks for my cubes to
> arrive, but today arrive they did.
>> I notice Jeff's  site shows these are almost sold out, so I'd like to add
> my voice to the chorus  and recommend that all who are considering
> purchasing one or more of these fine  cubes, do so asap!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Richard Kowalski
>>  http://fullmoonphotography.net
>> IMCA  #1081
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From michael at rocksfromspace.org  Wed Jan  6 00:26:08 2010
From: michael at rocksfromspace.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:26:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6,
	2010
Message-ID: <917119553.879401262755568291.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_6_2010.html



From sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 05:00:29 2010
From: sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 02:00:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a
	Mystery?????
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W22F9D449B7DA6D9B8CC3F0D2730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <332038.71119.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

gee boing bomb is not going to make a loud boom heard 3 blocks away. a friend of mine has a 3 inch cannon  but the last time he shot it it disrupted cell phone service, almost caused several auto accidents and resulted in having his house surrounded by the local police who asked " Mr Boyde could you please come out of your house?" his projestile was a wad of wet newspapers.
  Chris  Petersons explaination while having some merrit is not supported by scientific fact. sonic booms travel at the speed of sound and the time it takes the boom to reach you depends on your distance from the event, and a lot of other factors, like cannon balls traveling at over the speed of sound under 4 inches make no sonic boom. just a kind of whizzing whooshing sound. and smaller objects like bullets only make a buzzing sound like a bee even at 4 times the speed of sound.
  a meteorite falling over Colorado on the plane of the ecliptic at 11:35 pm would have been a near verticle fall only taking about 4 to 5 seconds from the time it entered earths atmosphere till it impacted with the ground. or exploded in the air. the shock wave in front of it would have created a vacume in its tail which may have allowed a 3 inch stone or iron to be cradled in an envelope trailing the main mass which was destroyed. in the same way that unburned gunpowder is found on the victims of gunshots at bullet velocities of 3k fps or more. the speed of sound you must know is only about 750 fps and depends on air pressure, humidity, temp, and the size of the object.
   there was an f15 eagle crashed near my house several years ago. a sonic boom traveling 3 minutes at the speed of sound by Mr  Petersons reasoning at close to 7 seconds a mile should be heard around 25 miles away. there has to my knowlege never been heard a boom more than 9 miles away because the curve of the earth doesnt allow it to reach the ground.
  are there any volunteers from the list that want to sit on an artillary range and listen for the sonic boom of an incomming 144mm  faster than sound shell? i hope not because they dont make one!
cheers 
Steve

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Gary Chase <garychase at live.com> wrote:

> From: Gary Chase <garychase at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
> To: "meteoritecentral" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:10 PM
> 
> Good Call.? Why waste your time on something that is
> not a sure thing.
>  
> Gary
> 
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge
> Roof Still a Mystery?????
> > To: garychase at live.com;
> meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com;
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > From: mail at mhmeteorites.com
> > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:52:14 +0000
> > 
> > Didn't seem worth is to me.
> > ----------------------
> > Matt Morgan
> > Mile High Meteorites
> > http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> > P.O. Box 151293
> > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Chase <garychase at live.com>
> > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:23:13 
> > To: meteoritecentral<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge
> Roof Still a Mystery
> > ?????
> > 
> > 
> > "Robert Ward drove through the night from Arizona to
> investigate"? 
> > 
> > I don't understand. Aren't there meteorite dealers and
> collectors closer to the sight to check it out? Anne? Matt?
> > 
> > 
> > Gary
> > 
> > 
> >> From: bcmeteorites at gmail.com
> >> To: mpg4444 at gmail.com;
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:39:00 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock
> Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> >> 
> >> This link is for the article on the front page of
> the local Colorado Springs
> >> paper "The Gazette" this morning with picture of
> Robert Ward holding the ceiling tile with the
> >> "mystery" hole in it.
> >> 
> >> http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html
> >> 
> >> Bob Falls
> >> colorado Springs, CO
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On
> Behalf Of Michael
> >> Groetz
> >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:46 AM
> >> To: Meteorite List
> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge
> Roof Still a Mystery
> >> 
> >> 
> >> http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241
> >> 
> >> Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> >> 
> >> By: Stacey Kaiser
> >> s.kaiser at krdotv.com
> >> Follow me on Twitter at
> www.twitter.com/staceykaiser
> >> 
> >> COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of
> space rock, or ice
> >> from a plane? Fire investigators cannot rule
> anything out as the
> >> cause of a hole in the roof of Red Rock Lounge at
> 31st and Colorado
> >> Avenue in Colorado Springs.
> >> 
> >> "I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I
> looked up and
> >> there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock
> Lounge owner Karol
> >> Sandvig. Sandvig noticed the hole when she first
> walked into her bar,
> >> then she saw a note from her bartender. "Karol, I
> had to call the
> >> cops because something came through the roof and
> there was a loud
> >> boom," said a note from Bartender Tammy Newland.
> >> 
> >> Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm Wednesday.
> They told Newland the
> >> boom was heard from their station a few streets
> away. "It scared
> >> everybody. Everybody was off their seats pretty
> quick. I don't think
> >> I've seen some of the people in here move that
> quick," said Newland.
> >> 
> >> But the big question is, what caused this massive
> boom and 3-inch hole
> >> in the ceiling? "We tried to rule out things such
> as lightning,
> >> something falling from the sky like a piece of
> space rock like a small
> >> meteorite and we weren't able to rule out
> anything," said Colorado
> >> Springs Fire Department Battalion Chief Steven
> Dubay.
> >> 
> >> STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt Meister
> says he was at the
> >> station until about 1:00AM and did not see any
> lightning. It could be
> >> a space rock, but investigators have seen no sign
> of a rock. And the
> >> hole is too big to be from a bullet.
> >> 
> >> Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin
> their New Year's
> >> Eve celebration. The landlord said he will be out
> to fix the hole.
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> 
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From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 05:07:32 2010
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 02:07:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a
	Mystery?????
In-Reply-To: <332038.71119.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <804523.77744.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear Steve and List,

Here is a photo of Robert Ward with section of tile with a hole.

http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/01/6jan2010-meteormeteorite-news.html

Holey ceiling tiles! Springs bar still wonders what hit it
Denver Post
By The Gazette Meteorite hunter Robert Ward holds a ceiling tile from the Red Rock Lounge. (Mark Reis, The Gazette ) COLORADO SPRINGS ? Mystery still ...

  Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
> To: "meteoritecentral" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, "Gary Chase" <garychase at live.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 7:00 PM
> gee boing bomb is not going to make a
> loud boom heard 3 blocks away. a friend of mine has a 3 inch
> cannon? but the last time he shot it it disrupted cell
> phone service, almost caused several auto accidents and
> resulted in having his house surrounded by the local police
> who asked " Mr Boyde could you please come out of your
> house?" his projestile was a wad of wet newspapers.
> ? Chris? Petersons explaination while having some
> merrit is not supported by scientific fact. sonic booms
> travel at the speed of sound and the time it takes the boom
> to reach you depends on your distance from the event, and a
> lot of other factors, like cannon balls traveling at over
> the speed of sound under 4 inches make no sonic boom. just a
> kind of whizzing whooshing sound. and smaller objects like
> bullets only make a buzzing sound like a bee even at 4 times
> the speed of sound.
> ? a meteorite falling over Colorado on the plane of
> the ecliptic at 11:35 pm would have been a near verticle
> fall only taking about 4 to 5 seconds from the time it
> entered earths atmosphere till it impacted with the ground.
> or exploded in the air. the shock wave in front of it would
> have created a vacume in its tail which may have allowed a 3
> inch stone or iron to be cradled in an envelope trailing the
> main mass which was destroyed. in the same way that unburned
> gunpowder is found on the victims of gunshots at bullet
> velocities of 3k fps or more. the speed of sound you must
> know is only about 750 fps and depends on air pressure,
> humidity, temp, and the size of the object.
> ???there was an f15 eagle crashed near my
> house several years ago. a sonic boom traveling 3 minutes at
> the speed of sound by Mr? Petersons reasoning at close
> to 7 seconds a mile should be heard around 25 miles away.
> there has to my knowlege never been heard a boom more than 9
> miles away because the curve of the earth doesnt allow it to
> reach the ground.
> ? are there any volunteers from the list that want to
> sit on an artillary range and listen for the sonic boom of
> an incomming 144mm? faster than sound shell? i hope not
> because they dont make one!
> cheers 
> Steve
> 
> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Gary Chase <garychase at live.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Gary Chase <garychase at live.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge
> Roof Still a Mystery?????
> > To: "meteoritecentral" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:10 PM
> > 
> > Good Call.? Why waste your time on something that is
> > not a sure thing.
> >? 
> > Gary
> > 
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock
> Lounge
> > Roof Still a Mystery?????
> > > To: garychase at live.com;
> > meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com;
> > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > From: mail at mhmeteorites.com
> > > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:52:14 +0000
> > > 
> > > Didn't seem worth is to me.
> > > ----------------------
> > > Matt Morgan
> > > Mile High Meteorites
> > > http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> > > P.O. Box 151293
> > > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gary Chase <garychase at live.com>
> > > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:23:13 
> > > To: meteoritecentral<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock
> Lounge
> > Roof Still a Mystery
> > > ?????
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Robert Ward drove through the night from Arizona
> to
> > investigate"? 
> > > 
> > > I don't understand. Aren't there meteorite
> dealers and
> > collectors closer to the sight to check it out? Anne?
> Matt?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Gary
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> From: bcmeteorites at gmail.com
> > >> To: mpg4444 at gmail.com;
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:39:00 -0700
> > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red
> Rock
> > Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> > >> 
> > >> This link is for the article on the front
> page of
> > the local Colorado Springs
> > >> paper "The Gazette" this morning with picture
> of
> > Robert Ward holding the ceiling tile with the
> > >> "mystery" hole in it.
> > >> 
> > >> http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html
> > >> 
> > >> Bob Falls
> > >> colorado Springs, CO
> > >> 
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On
> > Behalf Of Michael
> > >> Groetz
> > >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:46 AM
> > >> To: Meteorite List
> > >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock
> Lounge
> > Roof Still a Mystery
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241
> > >> 
> > >> Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
> > >> 
> > >> By: Stacey Kaiser
> > >> s.kaiser at krdotv.com
> > >> Follow me on Twitter at
> > www.twitter.com/staceykaiser
> > >> 
> > >> COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some
> sort of
> > space rock, or ice
> > >> from a plane? Fire investigators cannot rule
> > anything out as the
> > >> cause of a hole in the roof of Red Rock
> Lounge at
> > 31st and Colorado
> > >> Avenue in Colorado Springs.
> > >> 
> > >> "I saw some insulation sitting on the table
> and I
> > looked up and
> > >> there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock
> > Lounge owner Karol
> > >> Sandvig. Sandvig noticed the hole when she
> first
> > walked into her bar,
> > >> then she saw a note from her bartender.
> "Karol, I
> > had to call the
> > >> cops because something came through the roof
> and
> > there was a loud
> > >> boom," said a note from Bartender Tammy
> Newland.
> > >> 
> > >> Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm
> Wednesday.
> > They told Newland the
> > >> boom was heard from their station a few
> streets
> > away. "It scared
> > >> everybody. Everybody was off their seats
> pretty
> > quick. I don't think
> > >> I've seen some of the people in here move
> that
> > quick," said Newland.
> > >> 
> > >> But the big question is, what caused this
> massive
> > boom and 3-inch hole
> > >> in the ceiling? "We tried to rule out things
> such
> > as lightning,
> > >> something falling from the sky like a piece
> of
> > space rock like a small
> > >> meteorite and we weren't able to rule out
> > anything," said Colorado
> > >> Springs Fire Department Battalion Chief
> Steven
> > Dubay.
> > >> 
> > >> STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt
> Meister
> > says he was at the
> > >> station until about 1:00AM and did not see
> any
> > lightning. It could be
> > >> a space rock, but investigators have seen no
> sign
> > of a rock. And the
> > >> hole is too big to be from a bullet.
> > >> 
> > >> Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not
> ruin
> > their New Year's
> > >> Eve celebration. The landlord said he will be
> out
> > to fix the hole.
> > >>
> ______________________________________________
> > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> > >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > >> 
> > >>
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> >
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From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 08:36:49 2010
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:36:49 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
	6, 2010
Message-ID: <COL108-W25BCF6A6D6B116C507ADBC9B720@phx.gbl>


Chocolate donut?

 Carl

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_6_2010.html
 		 	   		  
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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Wed Jan  6 10:40:02 2010
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 08:40:02 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still
	aMystery?????
References: <332038.71119.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C39E0D68E9D4977A2CEFFC9A7761306@bellatrix>

> a meteorite falling over Colorado on the plane of the ecliptic
> at 11:35 pm would have been a near verticle fall only taking
> about 4 to 5 seconds from the time it entered earths
> atmosphere till it impacted with the ground. or exploded
> in the air.

Such a meteorite would be luminous for a few seconds, but would slow to a 
subsonic speed while still very high- 10 or 20 miles or more. The remainder 
of the fall would take several minutes. That's why sonic booms associated 
with meteorite falls are reported a few minutes before the actual impact. 
Only a fraction of a percent of falls might involve an object still 
traveling faster than sound at impact. And such a fall would certainly 
produce a massive fireball- something that was not observed despite the 
presence of operating allsky cameras in the area.

> there has to my knowlege never been heard a boom more than
> 9 miles away because the curve of the earth doesnt allow it
> to reach the ground.

The distance sonic booms can be heard depends on the energy of the shock 
wave, which mainly depends on the size of the supersonic object, and also on 
the ground path and altitude. Meteors and high altitude aircraft produce 
sonic booms at ground level when they are below about 30 miles. As those 
here who have investigated meteorite falls are well aware, reports of sonic 
booms are common for large events over a diameter of 20-30 miles- much more 
than your 9 mile estimate.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Dunklee" <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
To: "meteoritecentral" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Gary Chase" 
<garychase at live.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still 
aMystery?????


gee boing bomb is not going to make a loud boom heard 3 blocks away. a 
friend of mine has a 3 inch cannon  but the last time he shot it it 
disrupted cell phone service, almost caused several auto accidents and 
resulted in having his house surrounded by the local police who asked " Mr 
Boyde could you please come out of your house?" his projestile was a wad of 
wet newspapers.
  Chris  Petersons explaination while having some merrit is not supported by 
scientific fact. sonic booms travel at the speed of sound and the time it 
takes the boom to reach you depends on your distance from the event, and a 
lot of other factors, like cannon balls traveling at over the speed of sound 
under 4 inches make no sonic boom. just a kind of whizzing whooshing sound. 
and smaller objects like bullets only make a buzzing sound like a bee even 
at 4 times the speed of sound.
  a meteorite falling over Colorado on the plane of the ecliptic at 11:35 pm 
would have been a near verticle fall only taking about 4 to 5 seconds from 
the time it entered earths atmosphere till it impacted with the ground. or 
exploded in the air. the shock wave in front of it would have created a 
vacume in its tail which may have allowed a 3 inch stone or iron to be 
cradled in an envelope trailing the main mass which was destroyed. in the 
same way that unburned gunpowder is found on the victims of gunshots at 
bullet velocities of 3k fps or more. the speed of sound you must know is 
only about 750 fps and depends on air pressure, humidity, temp, and the size 
of the object.
   there was an f15 eagle crashed near my house several years ago. a sonic 
boom traveling 3 minutes at the speed of sound by Mr  Petersons reasoning at 
close to 7 seconds a mile should be heard around 25 miles away. there has to 
my knowlege never been heard a boom more than 9 miles away because the curve 
of the earth doesnt allow it to reach the ground.
  are there any volunteers from the list that want to sit on an artillary 
range and listen for the sonic boom of an incomming 144mm  faster than sound 
shell? i hope not because they dont make one!
cheers
Steve



From GeoZay at aol.com  Wed Jan  6 11:24:37 2010
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:24:37 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still
	aMystery?????
Message-ID: <be3.59ab3fb1.38761345@aol.com>

>>there has to my knowlege never been  heard a boom more than
> 9 miles away because the curve of the earth  doesnt allow it
> to reach the ground.<<

I know this isn't  right, because I witnessed a fireball where the sonic 
sound reached me exactly  163 seconds after extinguishment. The meteor phase 
itself lasted for about 5 or  6 seconds. I was also monitoring this meteor by 
means of radio and that was  hooked up to a chart recorder. So I got the 
times quite accurately. Anyhow, I  figure when the sonic was produced, it was 
about 30 to 33 miles away.
GeoZay  



From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Wed Jan  6 11:47:28 2010
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:47:28 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Colorado spings event
References: <268363210.6454461262795520691.JavaMail.root@sz0101a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F4297F6B7665404E9ECD8AFB35BF5D40@bellatrix>

It doesn't have to be a sonic boom, that's just one possibility with a 
meteorite fall. In this case, the sound was described as being like an 
explosion or boom, both by witnesses inside the building as well as several 
blocks away. Some sort of mechanical noise from impact is certainly 
possible, although the descriptions are a bit off for that. One witness saw 
a flash of light and heard a boom, in the direction of the bar and low to 
the ground. Again, not consistent with a meteorite impact.

In general, most meteorite falls are silent, with no sonic boom and no 
significant impact sounds.

It could be a meteorite, but the evidence argues better for other 
explanations. It isn't even certain that something hit the building- this is 
exactly the sort of damage you see from small explosives (put an M80 on a 
sheet of plywood, and it will look just like the roof of this building).

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <meteoritehunter at comcast.net>
To: <GeoZay at aol.com>
Cc: <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: Colorado spings event

> Why does there have to be a sonic boom? In New Orleans, a stone of over 20 
> kg crashed through two floors of a house and ended up in the dirt under 
> the house, major city, nobody saw or heard anything other than the 
> neighbors who thought a car accident had happened.
>
> Kitchener, ONT, a guy golfing saw a 500 gram stone plop down in the grass 
> a few feet from him, no sounds heard.
>
> Can't this be a small meteorite, which somehow escaped detection.
>
> Something hit that building, and the object has not been found. That means 
> it was pocketed, because it did not evaporate into thin air.



From fujmon at mac.com  Wed Jan  6 12:00:12 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 07:00:12 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Smokin' New Years Offerings
Message-ID: <6C4253C0-14A6-48F2-AA9C-CCA1F70D03D5@mac.com>

Aloha Listees,

2010 is off to a great start, and I have some deals on some NWA material that I will not classify, and am offering here to metlist members at a special price.  

NWA x  38.35g endcut of possible LL4 - $115 shipped in a labeled display box
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From astroroks at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 12:59:58 2010
From: astroroks at hotmail.com (Dennis Miller)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:59:58 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Colorado spings event
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But, Robert is holding the 2'x4' celotex ceiling panel.  What type
of roof did the projectile have to penetrate prior to that?  I'm
betting "A snowball from the top of Pike's Peak, just a few miles
away and up!" Robert will probably cut the panel into coasters and
try to get some of his gas money back!!$$

Dennis
 
 
 
 

> From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:47:28 -0700
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Colorado spings event
> 
> It doesn't have to be a sonic boom, that's just one possibility with a 
> meteorite fall. In this case, the sound was described as being like an 
> explosion or boom, both by witnesses inside the building as well as several 
> blocks away. Some sort of mechanical noise from impact is certainly 
> possible, although the descriptions are a bit off for that. One witness saw 
> a flash of light and heard a boom, in the direction of the bar and low to 
> the ground. Again, not consistent with a meteorite impact.
> 
> In general, most meteorite falls are silent, with no sonic boom and no 
> significant impact sounds.
> 
> It could be a meteorite, but the evidence argues better for other 
> explanations. It isn't even certain that something hit the building- this is 
> exactly the sort of damage you see from small explosives (put an M80 on a 
> sheet of plywood, and it will look just like the roof of this building).
> 
> Chris
> 
> *****************************************
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> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <meteoritehunter at comcast.net>
> To: <GeoZay at aol.com>
> Cc: <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:32 AM
> Subject: Colorado spings event
> 
>> Why does there have to be a sonic boom? In New Orleans, a stone of over 20 
>> kg crashed through two floors of a house and ended up in the dirt under 
>> the house, major city, nobody saw or heard anything other than the 
>> neighbors who thought a car accident had happened.
>>
>> Kitchener, ONT, a guy golfing saw a 500 gram stone plop down in the grass 
>> a few feet from him, no sounds heard.
>>
>> Can't this be a small meteorite, which somehow escaped detection.
>>
>> Something hit that building, and the object has not been found. That means 
>> it was pocketed, because it did not evaporate into thin air.
> 
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  6 13:02:32 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:02:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still
	a	Mystery?????
Message-ID: <27332950.1262800952829.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hello Steve,

Thank you for the post on projectiles, propelling methods, velocities and their observable effects. 

Based on my experience with things that go "boom" whilst in the US ARMY; where people I didn't know tried to incapacitate me with fast moving, heavy and often explosive objects and where I inspected holes in various materials including, but not limited to, kevlar, steel, glass, rubber, building materials and human beings, I feel I can contest some of your assumptions.

All objects, no matter what they are composed of, traveling above the speed of sound, will make an over pressure that can be detected by a person with normal hearing depending on distance, density and direction. The three "D's" we are taught in BSC (basic combat training). Remember the axiom, "You never hear the one that hits you"?  

All military rifle, pistol and machine gun rounds, of any caliber, exceed the speed of sound and create an  audible "snap". YouTube has dozens of fire fights where you can listen. 

Some civilian rifle and pistol rounds, such as a .22 Long, or Short, and special application ammunition, are sub-sonic.

Many crew served, vehicle and aircraft delivered weapons such as artillery, anti-armor and area supression (SKEET and CANISTER) projectiles, are super-sonic in flight, or become so on contact with the target due to secondary charges.

I've looked at the photos and there is enough physical evidence (the damaged roof and attendant materials) for anyone with basic EOD skills to determine what was the outer composition of the object that made the defect, the weight, size and speed of the culprit, and from what direction did it arrive.

All the "no eyes on" witness statements are not reliable. They have a "scene" and that's where the investigation, if it hasn't already, should be conducted. The apparent fact that none of the impactor, except trace evidence on the damaged materials, has been found at the scene, makes the whole incident suspect.

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536        

      

-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jan 6, 2010 5:00 AM
>To: meteoritecentral <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, Gary Chase <garychase at live.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a	Mystery?????
>
>gee boing bomb is not going to make a loud boom heard 3 blocks away. a friend of mine has a 3 inch cannon  but the last time he shot it it disrupted cell phone service, almost caused several auto accidents and resulted in having his house surrounded by the local police who asked " Mr Boyde could you please come out of your house?" his projestile was a wad of wet newspapers.
>  Chris  Petersons explaination while having some merrit is not supported by scientific fact. sonic booms travel at the speed of sound and the time it takes the boom to reach you depends on your distance from the event, and a lot of other factors, like cannon balls traveling at over the speed of sound under 4 inches make no sonic boom. just a kind of whizzing whooshing sound. and smaller objects like bullets only make a buzzing sound like a bee even at 4 times the speed of sound.
>  a meteorite falling over Colorado on the plane of the ecliptic at 11:35 pm would have been a near verticle fall only taking about 4 to 5 seconds from the time it entered earths atmosphere till it impacted with the ground. or exploded in the air. the shock wave in front of it would have created a vacume in its tail which may have allowed a 3 inch stone or iron to be cradled in an envelope trailing the main mass which was destroyed. in the same way that unburned gunpowder is found on the victims of gunshots at bullet velocities of 3k fps or more. the speed of sound you must know is only about 750 fps and depends on air pressure, humidity, temp, and the size of the object.
>   there was an f15 eagle crashed near my house several years ago. a sonic boom traveling 3 minutes at the speed of sound by Mr  Petersons reasoning at close to 7 seconds a mile should be heard around 25 miles away. there has to my knowlege never been heard a boom more than 9 miles away because the curve of the earth doesnt allow it to reach the ground.
>  are there any volunteers from the list that want to sit on an artillary range and listen for the sonic boom of an incomming 144mm  faster than sound shell? i hope not because they dont make one!
>cheers 
>Steve
>
>--- On Tue, 1/5/10, Gary Chase <garychase at live.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Gary Chase <garychase at live.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery?????
>> To: "meteoritecentral" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:10 PM
>> 
>> Good Call.? Why waste your time on something that is
>> not a sure thing.
>>  
>> Gary
>> 
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge
>> Roof Still a Mystery?????
>> > To: garychase at live.com;
>> meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com;
>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > From: mail at mhmeteorites.com
>> > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:52:14 +0000
>> > 
>> > Didn't seem worth is to me.
>> > ----------------------
>> > Matt Morgan
>> > Mile High Meteorites
>> > http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>> > P.O. Box 151293
>> > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>> > 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Gary Chase <garychase at live.com>
>> > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:23:13 
>> > To: meteoritecentral<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge
>> Roof Still a Mystery
>> > ?????
>> > 
>> > 
>> > "Robert Ward drove through the night from Arizona to
>> investigate"? 
>> > 
>> > I don't understand. Aren't there meteorite dealers and
>> collectors closer to the sight to check it out? Anne? Matt?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Gary
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> From: bcmeteorites at gmail.com
>> >> To: mpg4444 at gmail.com;
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:39:00 -0700
>> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock
>> Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
>> >> 
>> >> This link is for the article on the front page of
>> the local Colorado Springs
>> >> paper "The Gazette" this morning with picture of
>> Robert Ward holding the ceiling tile with the
>> >> "mystery" hole in it.
>> >> 
>> >> http://www.gazette.com/articles/guy-91739-bar-heard.html
>> >> 
>> >> Bob Falls
>> >> colorado Springs, CO
>> >> 
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On
>> Behalf Of Michael
>> >> Groetz
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:46 AM
>> >> To: Meteorite List
>> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Hole in Red Rock Lounge
>> Roof Still a Mystery
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=11755241
>> >> 
>> >> Hole in Red Rock Lounge Roof Still a Mystery
>> >> 
>> >> By: Stacey Kaiser
>> >> s.kaiser at krdotv.com
>> >> Follow me on Twitter at
>> www.twitter.com/staceykaiser
>> >> 
>> >> COLORADO SPRINGS - Was it lightning, some sort of
>> space rock, or ice
>> >> from a plane? Fire investigators cannot rule
>> anything out as the
>> >> cause of a hole in the roof of Red Rock Lounge at
>> 31st and Colorado
>> >> Avenue in Colorado Springs.
>> >> 
>> >> "I saw some insulation sitting on the table and I
>> looked up and
>> >> there's a hole in my ceiling," said Red Rock
>> Lounge owner Karol
>> >> Sandvig. Sandvig noticed the hole when she first
>> walked into her bar,
>> >> then she saw a note from her bartender. "Karol, I
>> had to call the
>> >> cops because something came through the roof and
>> there was a loud
>> >> boom," said a note from Bartender Tammy Newland.
>> >> 
>> >> Firefighters got the call at 11:30pm Wednesday.
>> They told Newland the
>> >> boom was heard from their station a few streets
>> away. "It scared
>> >> everybody. Everybody was off their seats pretty
>> quick. I don't think
>> >> I've seen some of the people in here move that
>> quick," said Newland.
>> >> 
>> >> But the big question is, what caused this massive
>> boom and 3-inch hole
>> >> in the ceiling? "We tried to rule out things such
>> as lightning,
>> >> something falling from the sky like a piece of
>> space rock like a small
>> >> meteorite and we weren't able to rule out
>> anything," said Colorado
>> >> Springs Fire Department Battalion Chief Steven
>> Dubay.
>> >> 
>> >> STORMTRACKER 13 Chief Meteorologist Matt Meister
>> says he was at the
>> >> station until about 1:00AM and did not see any
>> lightning. It could be
>> >> a space rock, but investigators have seen no sign
>> of a rock. And the
>> >> hole is too big to be from a bullet.
>> >> 
>> >> Sandvig says the hole in her ceiling will not ruin
>> their New Year's
>> >> Eve celebration. The landlord said he will be out
>> to fix the hole.
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 13:51:23 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:51:23 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
Message-ID: <SNT117-W12B8AADA9E430A173A854ED2720@phx.gbl>


List:

I have a question regarding Lunar meteorites.? In many of the pics on various websites I have noticed a reddish/brown color in the meteorites.? I figured that most would be more grayish and white.? Is the reddish color from terrestrial means?? Does it oxidize after landing?? Or is this reddish color not related to oxidation at all and is the actual color it would be on the moon?? I would think that there would be no oxidation on the moon or in space, due to the lack of oxygen.

Shisr161 is an example.

http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Shisr161-2.884g.jpg

I can't get over how 'terrestrial' lunars look.? Who knows... maybe I've stepped on one without knowing it.

Greg S.

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From riffraff at timewarp.de  Wed Jan  6 14:12:41 2010
From: riffraff at timewarp.de (Norbert Classen)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:12:41 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
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References: <SNT117-W12B8AADA9E430A173A854ED2720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6C42F2B0A56440BA9406BD22EBC87D41@lunatic>

Dear Greg, and All,

The reddish, brown and pinkish colors of these lunars (particullary from
Oman) are from hematite staining, i.e., from terrestrial weathering.
Pristine lunars look more like this:

http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/NWA2200-1.388g.jpg

http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Dho910-1.912g.JPG

It seems that especially the lunars with a very long terrestrial residence
time, such as Dhofar 025 which fell more than 400,000 years ago, display the
effects of heavy hematite staining:

http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Dho025-0.352g.JPG

Hope this helps,
Norbert Classen
www.meteoris.de 

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

List:

I have a question regarding Lunar meteorites.? In many of the pics on
various websites I have noticed a reddish/brown color in the meteorites.? I
figured that most would be more grayish and white.? Is the reddish color
from terrestrial means?? Does it oxidize after landing?? Or is this reddish
color not related to oxidation at all and is the actual color it would be on
the moon?? I would think that there would be no oxidation on the moon or in
space, due to the lack of oxygen.

Shisr161 is an example.

http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Shisr161-2.884g.jpg

I can't get over how 'terrestrial' lunars look.? Who knows... maybe I've
stepped on one without knowing it.

Greg S.




From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Jan  6 15:27:24 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:27:24 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Crash BOOM Bang - Colorado spings event
In-Reply-To: <F4297F6B7665404E9ECD8AFB35BF5D40@bellatrix>
References: <268363210.6454461262795520691.JavaMail.root@sz0101a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<F4297F6B7665404E9ECD8AFB35BF5D40@bellatrix>
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It seems to me the definitions and people interpretations of sound is 
the issue regarding the BOOM.

If I were to describe an impact type sound I might say BANG, or THUMP, 
if I were to try to describe a crashing sound like multiple objects 
colliding or perhaps some books or plates tumbling to the floor from a 
high shelf I would probably use the word CRASH in my description. And if 
I were to hear an explosion or "hollow" sounding impact (like that of an 
object impacting a roof) I might say "it was a loud BOOM! or BAM"

It doesn't mean sonic boom or explosive boom or impact boom. It's 
people's interpretations of sound and nothing more.

Eyewitnesses are usually not very accurate. They tell things from their 
own personal perspective and experience in ways that relate to them, 
which is fine, but for finding meteorites it's not reliable. It's 
totally subjective, and it take a good investigator to get good solid 
details.

Regards,
Eric

P.S. I doubt an M80 would blow a hole in much of anything. How thick? 
1/4". 1/2". 5/8". I would be surprised if an M80 could blow a hole in 
even a 1/4" piece of plywood. I'd be interested in seeing a video of a 
real M80 blowing a hole in a piece of plywood. This isn't a challenge to 
you personally Chris, anyone is welcome to produce a video showing just 
that. I'll even post it on my site for all to see for comparison to the 
hole in the roof.





On 1/6/2010 8:47 AM, Chris Peterson wrote:
> It doesn't have to be a sonic boom, that's just one possibility with a 
> meteorite fall. In this case, the sound was described as being like an 
> explosion or boom, both by witnesses inside the building as well as 
> several blocks away. Some sort of mechanical noise from impact is 
> certainly possible, although the descriptions are a bit off for that. 
> One witness saw a flash of light and heard a boom, in the direction of 
> the bar and low to the ground. Again, not consistent with a meteorite 
> impact.
>
> In general, most meteorite falls are silent, with no sonic boom and no 
> significant impact sounds.
>
> It could be a meteorite, but the evidence argues better for other 
> explanations. It isn't even certain that something hit the building- 
> this is exactly the sort of damage you see from small explosives (put 
> an M80 on a sheet of plywood, and it will look just like the roof of 
> this building).
>
> Chris
>
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <meteoritehunter at comcast.net>
> To: <GeoZay at aol.com>
> Cc: <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:32 AM
> Subject: Colorado spings event
>
>> Why does there have to be a sonic boom? In New Orleans, a stone of 
>> over 20 kg crashed through two floors of a house and ended up in the 
>> dirt under the house, major city, nobody saw or heard anything other 
>> than the neighbors who thought a car accident had happened.
>>
>> Kitchener, ONT, a guy golfing saw a 500 gram stone plop down in the 
>> grass a few feet from him, no sounds heard.
>>
>> Can't this be a small meteorite, which somehow escaped detection.
>>
>> Something hit that building, and the object has not been found. That 
>> means it was pocketed, because it did not evaporate into thin air.
>
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From rsvp321 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 15:48:16 2010
From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com (Pete Pete)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:48:16 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
 6, 2010
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Message-ID: <BAY141-W23483B8E9AD5E23A0AE114F8720@phx.gbl>


 
 
Greetings, all,
 
[...doubtless a chondritic anvil from prehistoric times]?
 
What makes the author suspect that?
 
Curious,
Pete
 

> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:26:08 -0800
> From: michael at rocksfromspace.org
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6, 2010
> 
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_6_2010.html
> 
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 15:57:01 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:57:01 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
In-Reply-To: <6C42F2B0A56440BA9406BD22EBC87D41@lunatic>
References: <SNT117-W12B8AADA9E430A173A854ED2720@phx.gbl>,
	<6C42F2B0A56440BA9406BD22EBC87D41@lunatic>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W34B1E9C6A1427CA2708958D2720@phx.gbl>


Thanks Everyone:

I really appreciate the detailed responses. That's what I suspected.? Perhaps the soils in Oman contain more iron based sediment, and the strewn fields there are older.? I always assumed that the iron within meteorites caused the oxidation, but now it's clear that once any rock (meteorite) falls to earth, it can be altered in the same ways (weathering, erosion, oxidation and surface staining) terrestrial rocks are subjected too.? Thus, makes it even more difficult to find a lunar.

Best,

Greg S. ? 

----------------------------------------
> From: riffraff at timewarp.de
> To: stanleygregr at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:12:41 +0100
>
> Dear Greg, and All,
>
> The reddish, brown and pinkish colors of these lunars (particullary from
> Oman) are from hematite staining, i.e., from terrestrial weathering.
> Pristine lunars look more like this:
>
> http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/NWA2200-1.388g.jpg
>
> http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Dho910-1.912g.JPG
>
> It seems that especially the lunars with a very long terrestrial residence
> time, such as Dhofar 025 which fell more than 400,000 years ago, display the
> effects of heavy hematite staining:
>
> http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Dho025-0.352g.JPG
>
> Hope this helps,
> Norbert Classen
> www.meteoris.de
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>
> List:
>
> I have a question regarding Lunar meteorites.  In many of the pics on
> various websites I have noticed a reddish/brown color in the meteorites.  I
> figured that most would be more grayish and white.  Is the reddish color
> from terrestrial means?  Does it oxidize after landing?  Or is this reddish
> color not related to oxidation at all and is the actual color it would be on
> the moon?  I would think that there would be no oxidation on the moon or in
> space, due to the lack of oxygen.
>
> Shisr161 is an example.
>
> http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Shisr161-2.884g.jpg
>
> I can't get over how 'terrestrial' lunars look.  Who knows... maybe I've
> stepped on one without knowing it.
>
> Greg S.
>
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Jan  6 16:02:46 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:02:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA's Wise Eye Spies First Glimpse of the Starry
	Sky
Message-ID: <201001062102.o06L2k6R019843@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Jan. 6, 2010

J.D. Harrington 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-5241 
j.d.harrington at nasa.gov 

Whitney Clavin 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
818-354-4673 
whitney.clavin at jpl.nasa.gov 

RELEASE: 10-005

NASA'S WISE EYE SPIES FIRST GLIMPSE OF THE STARRY SKY; 
INFRARED ALL-SKY SURVEYING TELESCOPE SENDS BACK FIRST IMAGES FROM SPACE

WASHINGTON -- NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer, or WISE, has 
captured its first look at the starry sky that it will soon begin 
surveying in infrared light. 

Launched on Dec. 14, WISE will scan the entire sky for millions of 
hidden objects, including asteroids, "failed" stars and powerful 
galaxies. WISE data will serve as navigation charts for other 
missions such as NASA's Hubble and Spitzer Space Telescopes, pointing 
them to the most interesting targets WISE finds. 

A new WISE infrared image was taken shortly after the space 
telescope's cover was removed, exposing the instrument's detectors to 
starlight for the first time. The picture shows 3,000 stars in the 
Carina constellation. It can be viewed online at: 

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/WISE/multimedia/wise20100106.html 

The image covers a patch of sky about three times larger than the full 
moon. The patch was selected because it does not contain any 
unusually bright objects, which could damage instrument detectors if 
observed for too long. The picture was taken while the spacecraft was 
staring at a fixed patch of sky and is being used to calibrate the 
spacecraft's pointing system. 

When the WISE survey begins, the spacecraft will scan the sky 
continuously as it circles the globe, while an internal scan mirror 
counteracts its motion. This allows WISE to take "freeze-frame" 
snapshots every 11 seconds, resulting in millions of images of the 
entire sky. 

"Right now, we are busy matching the rate of the scan mirror to the 
rate of the spacecraft, so we will capture sharp pictures as our 
telescope sweeps across the sky," said William Irace, the mission's 
project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, 
Calif. 

To sense the infrared glow of stars and galaxies, the WISE spacecraft 
cannot give off any detectable infrared light of its own. This is 
accomplished by chilling the telescope and detectors to ultra-cold 
temperatures. The coldest of WISE's detectors will operate at less 
than 8 Kelvin, or minus 445 Fahrenheit. 

The first sky survey will be complete in six months, followed by a 
second scan of one-half of the sky lasting three months. The WISE 
mission ends when the frozen hydrogen that keeps the instrument cold 
evaporates away, an event expected to occur in October 2010. 

Preliminary survey images are expected to be released six months 
later, in April 2011, with the final atlas and catalog coming after 
another 11 months in March 2012. Selected images will be released to 
the public beginning in February 2010. 

JPL manages WISE for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. 
The mission was competitively selected under NASA's Explorers 
Program, managed by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, 
Md. The science instrument was built by the Space Dynamics Laboratory 
in Logan, Utah, and the spacecraft was built by Ball Aerospace & 
Technologies Corp. in Boulder, Colo. Science operations and data 
processing take place at the Infrared Processing and Analysis Center 
at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 

More information about the WISE mission is available online at: 

http://www.nasa.gov/wise 
	
-end-



From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Jan  6 16:28:36 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:28:36 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Haley is a Girl!
Message-ID: <4B450084.9070702@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi all, a very special email today... Thank you for reading. ;)

A Must See! - Halley's Comet Nucleus
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100104.html

Interesting factoid: "...This debris shed from Halley's nucleus 
eventually disperses into an orbiting trail responsible for the Orionids 
meteor shower..."

Though most people on this list probably know this, you'll have to 
forgive me for not knowing because I usually don't follow meteor 
showers.... ;) It's particularly meaningful to us for a very special 
reason and it added to our excitement. Why were we excited?

Recently we found out we're having a baby girl. Like most expecting 
parents we had picked out names for a girl and a boy. We chose 
astronomical names of course! ;) Jaime chose the name Haley if it 
happened to be a girl and I chose Orion if it were a boy. What we didn't 
know is that there was a connection between Halley's Comet and the Orion 
constellation. You're probably smiling to yourself right about now 
because you guys already know it is the famous meteor shower that 
radiates from that point in space in the form of the Orionids!

Now That's Cool!

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA



From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 16:30:26 2010
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:30:26 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
Message-ID: <COL108-W10690411CA9D509F9B25609B720@phx.gbl>


Hi Greg and All,

Here's an interesting video from the Kaguya lunar spacecraft. The red soil on the moon and Norbert's explanation is probably related somewhat although produced separately. Around the 21:20 mark, check out the red soil on the moon. Nice footage of the moon and of the astronauts frolicking about. Jim K.brought this video to the attention of SkyrockCafe:

http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-shows/expedition-week/3669310949-direct-from-the-moon

Also, at around the 41:00 mark, the astronauts are kicking around a very large rock! Love this video.

Carl


Greg wrote:
>I really appreciate the detailed responses. That's what I suspected.  Perhaps
the soils in Oman contain more iron based sediment, and the strewn fields there
are older.  I always assumed that the iron within meteorites caused the
oxidation, but now it's clear that once any rock (meteorite) falls to earth,...

 		 	   		  
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From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 16:37:19 2010
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:37:19 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Haley is a Girl!
Message-ID: <COL108-W4EDEC240728A05445EBAA9B720@phx.gbl>



Hey Eric, awesome names! I had picked the name, Cosmo for my son and Aurora if a girl. My wife nixed both. I see J. Humphries dog's name is Cosmo, anyway. Good thing.

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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  6 16:57:52 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:57:52 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Crash BOOM Bang - Colorado spings event
References: <268363210.6454461262795520691.JavaMail.root@sz0101a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><F4297F6B7665404E9ECD8AFB35BF5D40@bellatrix>
	<4B44F22C.2040503@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <E9E7DE0DDDAE4073A8B63F7E36BAFCDD@D190TH71>

"I doubt an M80 would blow a hole in much of anything. How thick?
1/4". 1/2". 5/8". I would be surprised if an M80 could blow a hole in
even a 1/4" piece of plywood."

I'm afraid I'll have to dispute that, Eric. I had a few M80's back about 
10-12 years ago and, being a woodworker, I grabbed a couple boards out of my 
shop to serve as blasting platforms. Can't remember the dimensions now, but 
I would guess something like a 1"x4". I was astounded. It blew the whole end 
of the board apart. There were splinters of wood everywhere. I can say with 
confidence, it would easily blow through 1/4" plywood, probably blow through 
1/2", and perhaps even 3/4".
Couldn't find any You-tube videos with wood, but here's a nice one with a 
watermelon and there were others with pumpkins, computer moniters, etc.
watermelon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1HNjq6KGio&feature=related
pumpkin - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu0AFsUFDnk&feature=related
monitor - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L27KO5USomQ&NR=1
Mind you, these were not made by scientists. <g>
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crash BOOM Bang - Colorado spings event


> It seems to me the definitions and people interpretations of sound is the 
> issue regarding the BOOM.
>
> If I were to describe an impact type sound I might say BANG, or THUMP, if 
> I were to try to describe a crashing sound like multiple objects colliding 
> or perhaps some books or plates tumbling to the floor from a high shelf I 
> would probably use the word CRASH in my description. And if I were to hear 
> an explosion or "hollow" sounding impact (like that of an object impacting 
> a roof) I might say "it was a loud BOOM! or BAM"
>
> It doesn't mean sonic boom or explosive boom or impact boom. It's people's 
> interpretations of sound and nothing more.
>
> Eyewitnesses are usually not very accurate. They tell things from their 
> own personal perspective and experience in ways that relate to them, which 
> is fine, but for finding meteorites it's not reliable. It's totally 
> subjective, and it take a good investigator to get good solid details.
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> P.S. I doubt an M80 would blow a hole in much of anything. How thick? 
> 1/4". 1/2". 5/8". I would be surprised if an M80 could blow a hole in even 
> a 1/4" piece of plywood. I'd be interested in seeing a video of a real M80 
> blowing a hole in a piece of plywood. This isn't a challenge to you 
> personally Chris, anyone is welcome to produce a video showing just that. 
> I'll even post it on my site for all to see for comparison to the hole in 
> the roof.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/6/2010 8:47 AM, Chris Peterson wrote:
>> It doesn't have to be a sonic boom, that's just one possibility with a 
>> meteorite fall. In this case, the sound was described as being like an 
>> explosion or boom, both by witnesses inside the building as well as 
>> several blocks away. Some sort of mechanical noise from impact is 
>> certainly possible, although the descriptions are a bit off for that. One 
>> witness saw a flash of light and heard a boom, in the direction of the 
>> bar and low to the ground. Again, not consistent with a meteorite impact.
>>
>> In general, most meteorite falls are silent, with no sonic boom and no 
>> significant impact sounds.
>>
>> It could be a meteorite, but the evidence argues better for other 
>> explanations. It isn't even certain that something hit the building- this 
>> is exactly the sort of damage you see from small explosives (put an M80 
>> on a sheet of plywood, and it will look just like the roof of this 
>> building).
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> *****************************************
>> Chris L Peterson
>> Cloudbait Observatory
>> http://www.cloudbait.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <meteoritehunter at comcast.net>
>> To: <GeoZay at aol.com>
>> Cc: <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:32 AM
>> Subject: Colorado spings event
>>
>>> Why does there have to be a sonic boom? In New Orleans, a stone of over 
>>> 20 kg crashed through two floors of a house and ended up in the dirt 
>>> under the house, major city, nobody saw or heard anything other than the 
>>> neighbors who thought a car accident had happened.
>>>
>>> Kitchener, ONT, a guy golfing saw a 500 gram stone plop down in the 
>>> grass a few feet from him, no sounds heard.
>>>
>>> Can't this be a small meteorite, which somehow escaped detection.
>>>
>>> Something hit that building, and the object has not been found. That 
>>> means it was pocketed, because it did not evaporate into thin air.
>>
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From GeoZay at aol.com  Wed Jan  6 17:38:50 2010
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:38:50 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Haley is a Girl!
Message-ID: <bdf.675b1054.38766afa@aol.com>



>>Interesting factoid: "...This  debris shed from Halley's nucleus 
eventually disperses into an orbiting  trail responsible for the Orionids 
meteor shower..."<<

Halleys  comet is also responsible for the Eta Aquarid meteor shower. 
So...if you have  twins....
GeoZay  



From paul at meteorite.com  Wed Jan  6 17:37:49 2010
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:37:49 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Information Page - Dealer & Visitor
	Information Needed
Message-ID: <4B4510BD.4020607@meteorite.com>

Dear List,

Meteorite-Times should be up in a day or so and in the mean time we 
would like to start to collecting information for our yearly Tucson 
Information Page.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/tucson/index.htm

Please enter you Tucson information on the following form.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/tucson/form/

Thank you very much!

Paul and Jim



From cdtucson at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 14:30:00 2010
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:30:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunar's
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W12B8AADA9E430A173A854ED2720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20100106143000.ERCST.79883.imail@fed1rmwml32>

Greg,
Interesting observation.
Recently, I asked the same question to Randy Korotev. As I recall he said it was Earth oxidation.
I then looked at all of the pictures on his web site and noticed that the only ones he shows with this red
 color are the Oman examples. Most of them are listed as Dhofar but Oman also includes your example in 
question; shisr161 . 
see pics at link;
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alumina.htm

So, All do respect to Randy, to add to your question; why do only Oman lunar's have the red color inside. Because in some of them the red is only very deep inside
and not near the original crustal area. You would think if it was weathering on Earth,  it would be near the surface area and not only deep inside as clearly is the case in some of the pics. ? Many Meteorites from other finds do have the red oxidation on the crust like Millbillillie but not exclusively on just in interior areas like the Oman clan. So , again why is that? 
Thanks Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


---- Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> List:
> 
> I have a question regarding Lunar meteorites.? In many of the pics on various websites I have noticed a reddish/brown color in the meteorites.? I figured that most would be more grayish and white.? Is the reddish color from terrestrial means?? Does it oxidize after landing?? Or is this reddish color not related to oxidation at all and is the actual color it would be on the moon?? I would think that there would be no oxidation on the moon or in space, due to the lack of oxygen.
> 
> Shisr161 is an example.
> 
> http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Shisr161-2.884g.jpg
> 
> I can't get over how 'terrestrial' lunars look.? Who knows... maybe I've stepped on one without knowing it.
> 
> Greg S.
> 
> ?
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From cdtucson at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 12:36:09 2010
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:36:09 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
 6, 2010
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In the Southwest USA we call these old stone  Indian used (tools) objects molcajetes or matates . . (sp) ?
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


---- Michael Johnson <michael at rocksfromspace.org> wrote: 
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_6_2010.html
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 19:21:25 2010
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:21:25 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cool Iron MeteorWRONG
Message-ID: <80659e1a1001061621w15a7622ds2a36ccc64ed1ee29@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

This was sent to me as an iron Meteorite.  It has the coolest shape
with a hole right through the center!

http://www.mr-meteorite.net/meteoriteidvideos.htm
-- 
Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u


From darryl at dof3.com  Wed Jan  6 19:53:39 2010
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:53:39 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunar's
In-Reply-To: <20100106143000.ERCST.79883.imail@fed1rmwml32>
References: <20100106143000.ERCST.79883.imail@fed1rmwml32>
Message-ID: <9FBFE9ED-C072-4DE5-B103-1141345C1188@dof3.com>


in part as a result of the absorptive qualities and absorption rates  
of the different mineralogy.
there is also a difference between oxidation and staining....or  
"tinting," the term i prefer for auction catalog descriptions   ;-)



On Jan 6, 2010, at 2:30 PM, <cdtucson at cox.net> <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:

> Greg,
> Interesting observation.
> Recently, I asked the same question to Randy Korotev. As I recall he  
> said it was Earth oxidation.
> I then looked at all of the pictures on his web site and noticed  
> that the only ones he shows with this red
> color are the Oman examples. Most of them are listed as Dhofar but  
> Oman also includes your example in
> question; shisr161 .
> see pics at link;
> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alumina.htm
>
> So, All do respect to Randy, to add to your question; why do only  
> Oman lunar's have the red color inside. Because in some of them the  
> red is only very deep inside
> and not near the original crustal area. You would think if it was  
> weathering on Earth,  it would be near the surface area and not only  
> deep inside as clearly is the case in some of the pics. ? Many  
> Meteorites from other finds do have the red oxidation on the crust  
> like Millbillillie but not exclusively on just in interior areas  
> like the Oman clan. So , again why is that?
> Thanks Carl
> --
> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> Meteoritemax
>
>
> ---- Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> List:
>>
>> I have a question regarding Lunar meteorites.  In many of the pics  
>> on various websites I have noticed a reddish/brown color in the  
>> meteorites.  I figured that most would be more grayish and white.   
>> Is the reddish color from terrestrial means?  Does it oxidize after  
>> landing?  Or is this reddish color not related to oxidation at all  
>> and is the actual color it would be on the moon?  I would think  
>> that there would be no oxidation on the moon or in space, due to  
>> the lack of oxygen.
>>
>> Shisr161 is an example.
>>
>> http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Shisr161-2.884g.jpg
>>
>> I can't get over how 'terrestrial' lunars look.  Who knows... maybe  
>> I've stepped on one without knowing it.
>>
>> Greg S.
>>
>>
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From astroroks at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 20:04:23 2010
From: astroroks at hotmail.com (Dennis Miller)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:04:23 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
 6, 2010
In-Reply-To: <20100106123609.J9M0E.77553.imail@fed1rmwml32>
References: <917119553.879401262755568291.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>,
	<20100106123609.J9M0E.77553.imail@fed1rmwml32>
Message-ID: <COL113-W27F44A4445682A5D50C37FB1710@phx.gbl>


If it is  rather small, say palm size, it 
looks a lot like a stone used with a bow drill.
Dennis

----------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:36:09 -0500
> From: cdtucson at cox.net
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; michael at rocksfromspace.org
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6, 2010
>
> In the Southwest USA we call these old stone Indian used (tools) objects molcajetes or matates . . (sp) ?
> --
> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> Meteoritemax
>
>
> ---- Michael Johnson wrote:
>> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_6_2010.html
>>
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From almitt2 at localnet.com  Wed Jan  6 20:35:41 2010
From: almitt2 at localnet.com (almitt2 at localnet.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:35:41 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunar's
In-Reply-To: <20100106143000.ERCST.79883.imail@fed1rmwml32>
References: <20100106143000.ERCST.79883.imail@fed1rmwml32>
Message-ID: <20100106203541.edp8wfbmr5r4ksgw@webmail.localnet.com>

Hi Carl and all,

Just a note, the Millbillillie reddish color comes from the red clay in 
that area of Australia and isn't oxidation to my knowledge. There are 
many pristine samples of Millbillillie with black fusion crust. Also 
Millbillillie is a somewhat fairly fresh fall that didn't happen very 
long ago.

For your information and others. All my best!


--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

Quoting cdtucson at cox.net:

> Greg,
>
> Many Meteorites from other finds do have the red oxidation on the 
> crust like Millbillillie but not exclusively on just in interior 
> areas like the Oman clan. So , again why is that?
> Thanks Carl
> --
> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> Meteoritemax
>
>




From mmurray at montrose.net  Wed Jan  6 21:06:54 2010
From: mmurray at montrose.net (Michael Murray)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:06:54 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cool Iron MeteorWRONG
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a1001061621w15a7622ds2a36ccc64ed1ee29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80659e1a1001061621w15a7622ds2a36ccc64ed1ee29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46ADF856-B310-48E4-A505-5F2EF4C1BC52@montrose.net>

Hi Ruben,
Can you share more info about what causes the pin holes?  I presume  
they exist only in the ends, one or the other or both?
Mike in CO
On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This was sent to me as an iron Meteorite.  It has the coolest shape
> with a hole right through the center!
>
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/meteoriteidvideos.htm
> -- 
> Rock On!
>
> Ruben Garcia
>
> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
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> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From grf2 at comcast.net  Wed Jan  6 21:26:39 2010
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:26:39 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
References: <COL108-W10690411CA9D509F9B25609B720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AA37B68214B467CB1852F5FE400E50D@ASUS>

Thanks for the great video Carl.
Jerry

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Carl 's" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 4:30 PM
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars

>
> Hi Greg and All,
>
> Here's an interesting video from the Kaguya lunar spacecraft. The red soil 
> on the moon and Norbert's explanation is probably related somewhat 
> although produced separately. Around the 21:20 mark, check out the red 
> soil on the moon. Nice footage of the moon and of the astronauts 
> frolicking about. Jim K.brought this video to the attention of 
> SkyrockCafe:
>
> http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-shows/expedition-week/3669310949-direct-from-the-moon
>
> Also, at around the 41:00 mark, the astronauts are kicking around a very 
> large rock! Love this video.
>
> Carl
>
>
> Greg wrote:
>>I really appreciate the detailed responses. That's what I suspected. 
>>Perhaps
> the soils in Oman contain more iron based sediment, and the strewn fields 
> there
> are older.  I always assumed that the iron within meteorites caused the
> oxidation, but now it's clear that once any rock (meteorite) falls to 
> earth,...
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
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From grf2 at comcast.net  Wed Jan  6 21:30:01 2010
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:30:01 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cool Iron MeteorWRONG
References: <80659e1a1001061621w15a7622ds2a36ccc64ed1ee29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9047F5BFE81749559D28CCA7694E1169@ASUS>

WOW, you could have fooled me!

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Ruben Garcia" <mrmeteorite at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 7:21 PM
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cool Iron MeteorWRONG

> Hi all,
> 
> This was sent to me as an iron Meteorite.  It has the coolest shape
> with a hole right through the center!
> 
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/meteoriteidvideos.htm
> -- 
> Rock On!
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> 
> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
> ______________________________________________
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 21:54:16 2010
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:54:16 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cool Iron MeteorWRONG
In-Reply-To: <46ADF856-B310-48E4-A505-5F2EF4C1BC52@montrose.net>
References: <80659e1a1001061621w15a7622ds2a36ccc64ed1ee29@mail.gmail.com>
	<46ADF856-B310-48E4-A505-5F2EF4C1BC52@montrose.net>
Message-ID: <80659e1a1001061854n7a1536fexdfc790dba10855b6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have received many emails regarding how I know this specimen is NOT
a meteorite.

I'm sure someone else can explain better than I can, but...here goes

First of all it has very small pin holes in some areas - a tell tale
sign it was made on earth - very common in man made slag. There is no
air/gases in outer space to cause such holes which is why iron
meteorites don't have pin holes.

Secondly, and just as importantly - it tested negative for nickel.

It was found in North Carolina and sent to me as a meteorite.


> Hi Ruben,
> Can you share more info about what causes the pin holes? ?I presume they
> exist only in the ends, one or the other or both?
> Mike in CO
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This was sent to me as an iron Meteorite. ?It has the coolest shape
>> with a hole right through the center!
>>
>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/meteoriteidvideos.htm
>> --
>> Rock On!
>>
>> Ruben Garcia
>>
>> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
>> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
>> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>



-- 
Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Jan  6 22:53:52 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:53:52 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cool Iron MeteorWRONG
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a1001061854n7a1536fexdfc790dba10855b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80659e1a1001061621w15a7622ds2a36ccc64ed1ee29@mail.gmail.com>	<46ADF856-B310-48E4-A505-5F2EF4C1BC52@montrose.net>
	<80659e1a1001061854n7a1536fexdfc790dba10855b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B455AD0.8040100@meteoritesusa.com>

Ruben's email gave me an idea. ;)

If anyone has photos of meteorwrongs please send them to me off-list via 
email. Please include weights, place found, finders name and any other 
pertinent information you have on the specimen. If it's been tested that 
would be good info too. Please put "METEORWRONG" in the subject line of 
your email.

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA

P.S. I have to say this piece Ruben got sent is one of the coolest 
looking meteorwrongs I've seen.


On 1/6/2010 6:54 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have received many emails regarding how I know this specimen is NOT
> a meteorite.
>
> I'm sure someone else can explain better than I can, but...here goes
>
> First of all it has very small pin holes in some areas - a tell tale
> sign it was made on earth - very common in man made slag. There is no
> air/gases in outer space to cause such holes which is why iron
> meteorites don't have pin holes.
>
> Secondly, and just as importantly - it tested negative for nickel.
>
> It was found in North Carolina and sent to me as a meteorite.
>
>
>    
>> Hi Ruben,
>> Can you share more info about what causes the pin holes?  I presume they
>> exist only in the ends, one or the other or both?
>> Mike in CO
>> On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> This was sent to me as an iron Meteorite.  It has the coolest shape
>>> with a hole right through the center!
>>>
>>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/meteoriteidvideos.htm
>>> --
>>> Rock On!
>>>
>>> Ruben Garcia
>>>
>>> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
>>> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
>>> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>        
>>
>>      
>
>
>    


From thomasmeteorites at wanadoo.fr  Wed Jan  6 23:25:30 2010
From: thomasmeteorites at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Thomas)
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 2010 05:25:30 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
 6, 2010
In-Reply-To: <BAY141-W23483B8E9AD5E23A0AE114F8720@phx.gbl>
References: <917119553.879401262755568291.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>
	<BAY141-W23483B8E9AD5E23A0AE114F8720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <28500205.63031.1262838330077.JavaMail.www@wwinf1d22>

Dear list members,

This stone was observed by Henry de Lumley who is rather formal: it is about a Stone Age anvil (support on which we put the flint in the 
course of cutting).
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_de_Lumley
The studies are in progress, the classification, the terrestrial age etc. As well as the search on the site of find of possible additional elements.

This discovery will be the object of a publication.

Best Wishes and Happy New Year,
Philippe
www.meteoritica.com


> Message du 06/01/10 21:48
> De : "Pete Pete" 
> A : michael at rocksfromspace.org, "meteoritelist meteoritelist" 
> Copie ? : 
> Objet : Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6, 2010
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Greetings, all,
> 
> [...doubtless a chondritic anvil from prehistoric times]?
> 
> What makes the author suspect that?
> 
> Curious,
> Pete
> 
> 
> > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:26:08 -0800
> > From: michael at rocksfromspace.org
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 6, 2010
> > 
> > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_6_2010.html
> > 
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  7 02:10:04 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:10:04 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
References: <COL108-W10690411CA9D509F9B25609B720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CC6DC25A87FB4EE8BDC6B649C23C8B8B@D190TH71>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl 's" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars


>
> Hi Greg and All,
>
> Here's an interesting video from the Kaguya lunar spacecraft. The red soil 
> on the moon and Norbert's explanation is probably related somewhat 
> although produced separately. Around the 21:20 mark, check out the red 
> soil on the moon. Nice footage of the moon and of the astronauts 
> frolicking about. Jim K.brought this video to the attention of 
> SkyrockCafe:
>
> http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-shows/expedition-week/3669310949-direct-from-the-moon
>
> Also, at around the 41:00 mark, the astronauts are kicking around a very 
> large rock! Love this video.
>
> Carl
>
>
> Greg wrote:
>>I really appreciate the detailed responses. That's what I suspected. 
>>Perhaps
> the soils in Oman contain more iron based sediment, and the strewn fields 
> there
> are older.  I always assumed that the iron within meteorites caused the
> oxidation, but now it's clear that once any rock (meteorite) falls to 
> earth,...
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  7 02:10:17 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:10:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star - T Pyxidis
Message-ID: <27420062.1262848217477.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

List Astronomers,

This article quotes un-named Villanova University astronomers and Sion, Gordon and McClain at the American Astronomical Society, as well as Scagill at the UK's Society for Popular Astronomy. Fast company. Is this  hype? Are there other time bombs (super novas) ticking "out there"? Should there be concern?

 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2795981/Supernova-may-wipe-out-the-Earth.htmlype?

Count Deiro




From lintonius at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  7 02:14:31 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:14:31 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
References: <COL108-W10690411CA9D509F9B25609B720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C30E2D5FB3B64933BA0E7BCAE240F3E1@D190TH71>

(Oops...sorry for the previous misfire, folks.)

Carl, that's an excellent video. Absolutely phenomenal.
I would recommend it to everyone.
Thanks for posting it.
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl 's" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars


>
> Hi Greg and All,
>
> Here's an interesting video from the Kaguya lunar spacecraft. The red soil 
> on the moon and Norbert's explanation is probably related somewhat 
> although produced separately. Around the 21:20 mark, check out the red 
> soil on the moon. Nice footage of the moon and of the astronauts 
> frolicking about. Jim K.brought this video to the attention of 
> SkyrockCafe:
>
> http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-shows/expedition-week/3669310949-direct-from-the-moon
>
> Also, at around the 41:00 mark, the astronauts are kicking around a very 
> large rock! Love this video.
>
> Carl
>
>
> Greg wrote:
>>I really appreciate the detailed responses. That's what I suspected. 
>>Perhaps
> the soils in Oman contain more iron based sediment, and the strewn fields 
> there
> are older.  I always assumed that the iron within meteorites caused the
> oxidation, but now it's clear that once any rock (meteorite) falls to 
> earth,...
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/
> ______________________________________________
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  7 02:18:50 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:18:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
Message-ID: <32142301.1262848731053.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Sorry List, 
Here is corrected link re previous Death Star post.
Count Deiro

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2795981/Supernova-may-wipe-out-the-Earth.html


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  7 03:57:47 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:57:47 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
References: <32142301.1262848731053.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9B56E332D59B457780563773D92A964D@ATARIENGINE2>

Dear Count, and Listoids,

Another story:
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-01/star-verge-supernova-could-threaten-life-earth

And another:
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/T_Pyxidis_Soon_To_Be_A_Type_Ia_Supernova_999.html

And another:
http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=8944

All taken from the same press release, you will note.

And all equally in error about The End Of All Life As
We Know It. It's a math mistake: "However, Dr. Sion's
calculations were challenged by Prof. Alex Fillipenko
who said that Sion had possibly miscalculated the
damage that could be caused by a T Pyxidis supernova.
He had used data for a far more deadly gamma-ray burst
(GRB) exploding 3,260 light-years from Earth, not a
supernova, and T Pyxidis certainly isn't expected to
produce a GRB. According to an another expert,
"A supernova would have to be 10 times closer [to Earth]
to do the damage described."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_Pyxidis

Information about nearby supernovas of the recent past:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/06jan_bubble.htm

The truth is a supernova would be disastrous at 25 light
years away (not 3260). 50 light years away and it would
cause some damage, although it's hard to say how much.
100 light years away and it would be the action movie of
all time but you might worry that you sat too near to the
screen. There are two kinds (strengths) of supernovas. For
the Big One, I'd want to sit further away than the 300 Light
Year Line

But 3260 light years? Fergettabouttit!

Now, I can go to bed without worrying about a darn
Supernova...

It's always something.


Sterling K. Webb
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:18 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected


>
> Sorry List,
> Here is corrected link re previous Death Star post.
> Count Deiro
>
> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2795981/Supernova-may-wipe-out-the-Earth.html
> ______________________________________________
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Thu Jan  7 06:46:15 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 04:46:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
In-Reply-To: <9B56E332D59B457780563773D92A964D@ATARIENGINE2>
References: <32142301.1262848731053.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<9B56E332D59B457780563773D92A964D@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <994e0c1957fcbb7d4a253d88d2946c6a.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>


Hi Sterling:

Thanks for researching that. This is the problem of a press release that
is not followed up with what probably actually went on at the actual
session where the paper was presented.

Larry


> Dear Count, and Listoids,
>
> Another story:
> http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-01/star-verge-supernova-could-threaten-life-earth
>
> And another:
> http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/T_Pyxidis_Soon_To_Be_A_Type_Ia_Supernova_999.html
>
> And another:
> http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=8944
>
> All taken from the same press release, you will note.
>
> And all equally in error about The End Of All Life As
> We Know It. It's a math mistake: "However, Dr. Sion's
> calculations were challenged by Prof. Alex Fillipenko
> who said that Sion had possibly miscalculated the
> damage that could be caused by a T Pyxidis supernova.
> He had used data for a far more deadly gamma-ray burst
> (GRB) exploding 3,260 light-years from Earth, not a
> supernova, and T Pyxidis certainly isn't expected to
> produce a GRB. According to an another expert,
> "A supernova would have to be 10 times closer [to Earth]
> to do the damage described."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_Pyxidis
>
> Information about nearby supernovas of the recent past:
> http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/06jan_bubble.htm
>
> The truth is a supernova would be disastrous at 25 light
> years away (not 3260). 50 light years away and it would
> cause some damage, although it's hard to say how much.
> 100 light years away and it would be the action movie of
> all time but you might worry that you sat too near to the
> screen. There are two kinds (strengths) of supernovas. For
> the Big One, I'd want to sit further away than the 300 Light
> Year Line
>
> But 3260 light years? Fergettabouttit!
>
> Now, I can go to bed without worrying about a darn
> Supernova...
>
> It's always something.
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:18 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
>
>
>>
>> Sorry List,
>> Here is corrected link re previous Death Star post.
>> Count Deiro
>>
>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2795981/Supernova-may-wipe-out-the-Earth.html
>> ______________________________________________
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> ______________________________________________
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> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  7 08:54:32 2010
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 05:54:32 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
In-Reply-To: <C30E2D5FB3B64933BA0E7BCAE240F3E1@D190TH71>
References: <COL108-W10690411CA9D509F9B25609B720@phx.gbl>,
	<C30E2D5FB3B64933BA0E7BCAE240F3E1@D190TH71>
Message-ID: <COL108-W21358E381AD451050F50D89B710@phx.gbl>


Thanks, but Jim K. of Skyrock deserves all the credit (Thanks Jim!). I got the link from there. If you visit, see the Astronomy section.

Carl



> 
> Carl, that's an excellent video. Absolutely phenomenal.
> I would recommend it to everyone.
> Thanks for posting it.
> Linton
> 

 		 	   		  
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From astroroks at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  7 12:01:02 2010
From: astroroks at hotmail.com (Dennis Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:01:02 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW:  Question Regarding Lunars
In-Reply-To: <C30E2D5FB3B64933BA0E7BCAE240F3E1@D190TH71>
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>>
>
> I just purchased this video from Amazon. It should be
> spectacular on the big screen. Less than $15... Great
> deal... Can't wait to receive it. Got the popcorn ready!
> Dennis
>
>
>
>> From: lintonius at earthlink.net
>> To: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:14:31 -0800
>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
>>
>> (Oops...sorry for the previous misfire, folks.)
>>
>> Carl, that's an excellent video. Absolutely phenomenal.
>> I would recommend it to everyone.
>> Thanks for posting it.
>> Linton
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carl 's" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:30 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Greg and All,
>>>
>>> Here's an interesting video from the Kaguya lunar spacecraft. The red soil
>>> on the moon and Norbert's explanation is probably related somewhat
>>> although produced separately. Around the 21:20 mark, check out the red
>>> soil on the moon. Nice footage of the moon and of the astronauts
>>> frolicking about. Jim K.brought this video to the attention of
>>> SkyrockCafe:
>>>
>>> http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-shows/expedition-week/3669310949-direct-from-the-moon
>>>
>>> Also, at around the 41:00 mark, the astronauts are kicking around a very
>>> large rock! Love this video.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg wrote:
>>>>I really appreciate the detailed responses. That's what I suspected.
>>>>Perhaps
>>> the soils in Oman contain more iron based sediment, and the strewn fields
>>> there
>>> are older. I always assumed that the iron within meteorites caused the
>>> oxidation, but now it's clear that once any rock (meteorite) falls to
>>> earth,...
>>>
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  7 12:15:25 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:15:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
Message-ID: <7861704.1262884525263.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Sterling and List,

Your fully annotated response is one of the reasons I appreciate the List. Thank you for the reply. I can use it to calm down some friends. I had some concerns myself...not knowing "poop" about the lethality of supernovas and GRBs.

Guido   

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
>Sent: Jan 7, 2010 3:57 AM
>To: countdeiro at earthlink.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
>
>Dear Count, and Listoids,
>
>Another story:
>http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-01/star-verge-supernova-could-threaten-life-earth
>
>And another:
>http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/T_Pyxidis_Soon_To_Be_A_Type_Ia_Supernova_999.html
>
>And another:
>http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=8944
>
>All taken from the same press release, you will note.
>
>And all equally in error about The End Of All Life As
>We Know It. It's a math mistake: "However, Dr. Sion's
>calculations were challenged by Prof. Alex Fillipenko
>who said that Sion had possibly miscalculated the
>damage that could be caused by a T Pyxidis supernova.
>He had used data for a far more deadly gamma-ray burst
>(GRB) exploding 3,260 light-years from Earth, not a
>supernova, and T Pyxidis certainly isn't expected to
>produce a GRB. According to an another expert,
>"A supernova would have to be 10 times closer [to Earth]
>to do the damage described."
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_Pyxidis
>
>Information about nearby supernovas of the recent past:
>http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/06jan_bubble.htm
>
>The truth is a supernova would be disastrous at 25 light
>years away (not 3260). 50 light years away and it would
>cause some damage, although it's hard to say how much.
>100 light years away and it would be the action movie of
>all time but you might worry that you sat too near to the
>screen. There are two kinds (strengths) of supernovas. For
>the Big One, I'd want to sit further away than the 300 Light
>Year Line
>
>But 3260 light years? Fergettabouttit!
>
>Now, I can go to bed without worrying about a darn
>Supernova...
>
>It's always something.
>
>
>Sterling K. Webb
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:18 AM
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
>
>
>>
>> Sorry List,
>> Here is corrected link re previous Death Star post.
>> Count Deiro
>>
>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2795981/Supernova-may-wipe-out-the-Earth.html
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  7 12:26:06 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:26:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
Message-ID: <28255805.1262885166512.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Sterling, Larry and List,

So, am I right in assuming that a GRB as close as a 1000 parsecs would result in the production of massive amounts of nitrous oxides in the atmosphere ...and ...and... we will laugh ourselves to death?

Guido

-----Original Message-----
>From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
>Sent: Jan 7, 2010 6:46 AM
>To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
>Cc: countdeiro at earthlink.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
>
>
>Hi Sterling:
>
>Thanks for researching that. This is the problem of a press release that
>is not followed up with what probably actually went on at the actual
>session where the paper was presented.
>
>Larry
>
>
>> Dear Count, and Listoids,
>>
>> Another story:
>> http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-01/star-verge-supernova-could-threaten-life-earth
>>
>> And another:
>> http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/T_Pyxidis_Soon_To_Be_A_Type_Ia_Supernova_999.html
>>
>> And another:
>> http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=8944
>>
>> All taken from the same press release, you will note.
>>
>> And all equally in error about The End Of All Life As
>> We Know It. It's a math mistake: "However, Dr. Sion's
>> calculations were challenged by Prof. Alex Fillipenko
>> who said that Sion had possibly miscalculated the
>> damage that could be caused by a T Pyxidis supernova.
>> He had used data for a far more deadly gamma-ray burst
>> (GRB) exploding 3,260 light-years from Earth, not a
>> supernova, and T Pyxidis certainly isn't expected to
>> produce a GRB. According to an another expert,
>> "A supernova would have to be 10 times closer [to Earth]
>> to do the damage described."
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_Pyxidis
>>
>> Information about nearby supernovas of the recent past:
>> http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/06jan_bubble.htm
>>
>> The truth is a supernova would be disastrous at 25 light
>> years away (not 3260). 50 light years away and it would
>> cause some damage, although it's hard to say how much.
>> 100 light years away and it would be the action movie of
>> all time but you might worry that you sat too near to the
>> screen. There are two kinds (strengths) of supernovas. For
>> the Big One, I'd want to sit further away than the 300 Light
>> Year Line
>>
>> But 3260 light years? Fergettabouttit!
>>
>> Now, I can go to bed without worrying about a darn
>> Supernova...
>>
>> It's always something.
>>
>>
>> Sterling K. Webb
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:18 AM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Sorry List,
>>> Here is corrected link re previous Death Star post.
>>> Count Deiro
>>>
>>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2795981/Supernova-may-wipe-out-the-Earth.html
>>> ______________________________________________
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From mafer at imagineopals.com  Thu Jan  7 13:11:59 2010
From: mafer at imagineopals.com (mafer at imagineopals.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:11:59 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
In-Reply-To: <28255805.1262885166512.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Isn't this a little fun speculating since in all probability all our last
names will be historic nomenclature by the time anything from this object
reaches us?


Of course, it spoils and dashes all the hopes of those hoping for then end
of the world in two years?


Mark Ferguson


On 5:26:06 pm 01/07/10 countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote:
> Sterling, Larry and List,
>
> So, am I right in assuming that a GRB as close as a 1000 parsecs
> would result in the production of massive amounts of nitrous oxides in
> the atmosphere ...and ...and... we will laugh ourselves to death?
> Guido
>
> -----Original Message-----
> > From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
> > Sent: Jan 7, 2010 6:46 AM
> > To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> > Cc: countdeiro at earthlink.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
> >
> >
> > Hi Sterling:
> >
> > Thanks for researching that. This is the problem of a press release
> > that is not followed up with what probably actually went on at the
> > actual session where the paper was presented.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >>  Dear Count, and Listoids,
> >>
> >>  Another story:
> >>  http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-01/star-verge-supern
> >> ova-could-threaten-life-earth
> >>
> >>  And another:
> >>  http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/T_Pyxidis_Soon_To_Be_A_Type_Ia_S
> >> upernova_999.html
> >>
> >>  And another:
> >>  http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=8944
> >>
> >>  All taken from the same press release, you will note.
> >>
> >>  And all equally in error about The End Of All Life As
> >>  We Know It. It's a math mistake: "However, Dr. Sion's
> >>  calculations were challenged by Prof. Alex Fillipenko
> >>  who said that Sion had possibly miscalculated the
> >>  damage that could be caused by a T Pyxidis supernova.
> >>  He had used data for a far more deadly gamma-ray burst
> >>  (GRB) exploding 3,260 light-years from Earth, not a
> >>  supernova, and T Pyxidis certainly isn't expected to
> >>  produce a GRB. According to an another expert,
> >>  "A supernova would have to be 10 times closer [to Earth]
> >>  to do the damage described."
> >>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_Pyxidis
> >>
> >>  Information about nearby supernovas of the recent past:
> >>  http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/06jan_bubble.htm
> >>
> >>  The truth is a supernova would be disastrous at 25 light
> >>  years away (not 3260). 50 light years away and it would
> >>  cause some damage, although it's hard to say how much.
> >>  100 light years away and it would be the action movie of
> >>  all time but you might worry that you sat too near to the
> >>  screen. There are two kinds (strengths) of supernovas. For
> >>  the Big One, I'd want to sit further away than the 300 Light
> >>  Year Line
> >>
> >>  But 3260 light years? Fergettabouttit!
> >>
> >>  Now, I can go to bed without worrying about a darn
> >>  Supernova...
> >>
> >>  It's always something.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Sterling K. Webb
> >>  ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> --------------------
> >>  ----- Original Message -----
> >>  From: <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
> >>  To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >>  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:18 AM
> >>  Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>  Sorry List,
> >>>  Here is corrected link re previous Death Star post.
> >>>  Count Deiro
> >>>
> >>>  http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2795981/Supernova-may-w
> >>> ipe-out-the-Earth.html
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  7 13:44:36 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:44:36 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
References: <7861704.1262884525263.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CC67EA40B29242A28C41CF44938DDEEA@ATARIENGINE2>

Count, Carl, Larry, and List,

I notice that a number of "respected" sources,
like Scientific American's website and Astronomy
magazine's jumped on this story without looking
at what they were landing in. And because they
did that, a number odf science blogs did the same.
Now everybody has a little back-pedalling to do.

Not that a nova or a supernova wouldn't make life
very interesting here on Earth... What are the
cataclysmic variable candidates nearby?

The nearest supernova candidate is IK Pegasi
(HR 8210), located at a distance of 150 light-years.
This closely orbiting binary star system consists
of a main sequence star and a white dwarf,
separated by 31 million kilometres. The dwarf
has an estimated mass equal to 1.15 times that
of the Sun. It is thought that several million years
will pass before the white dwarf can accrete the
critical mass required to become a violent Type Ia
supernova.

The Chandrasekhar Limit, mentioned in several
of these news stories, but never defined, is about
1.4 times the mass of our Sun. Stars like ours end
up as white dwarves at the end of their life. Dense
white dwarf matter is created when all the atoms
of the star are squeezed so hard the nuclei are no
longer bound to their own electrons and the nuclei
all just swim in a random sea of squeezed electrons.
They call this "degenerate" matter.

Gravity does the squeezing, so white dwarf matter is
very dense. George Gamov used the comparison that
a matchbox full of white dwarf matter weighed as much
as a very large bull elephant. Heavy stuff.

If you keep piling mater onto a white dwarf, it eventually
gets so heavy that the electrons start to be squeezed back
into the nuclei, turning the protons in the nuclei into
more neutrons. Before you know it, there are no atoms,
just a sea of neutrons, and you have a neutron star.

But it's a violent and messy process.

If you add matter in dribbles, you have a cataclysmic
variable. Dump all the matter on at once, you have a
runaway process that ends in a supernova. But whether
you increase the mass slowly or rapidly, once you reach
the Chandrasekhar Limit of mass, there's no stopping it.

Most neutron stars are produced directly by supernova
from stars that started out weighing more 1.4 (but less
than 3.0) solar masses. It was all over in a single bad
supernova instant for them. Because these cataclysmic
variables are binaries of a white dwarf with a larger star,
and a close binary at that, they are very rare, yes, freaks,
tippitoeing up to disaster, flirting with the big moment.
No wonder we find them so entertaining. It's like a dance
number.

The best bet for a supernova soon? The big red giant star
Betelgeuse in Orion, a bright and familiar star we've all
seen. It's 570 light years away (safe distance). It's 8.5 million
years old (old for its mass) and it's been shrinking for 15
consecutive years (start of the collapse?). Wow! That would
be a show-stopper!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betelgeuse#Fate

But it probably won't happen for thousands of years...
unless I get lucky. I would love to see a supernova.
As always, from a distance...


Sterling K. Webb
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected


> Sterling and List,
>
> Your fully annotated response is one of the reasons I appreciate the 
> List. Thank you for the reply. I can use it to calm down some friends. 
> I had some concerns myself...not knowing "poop" about the lethality of 
> supernovas and GRBs.
>
> Guido
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
>>Sent: Jan 7, 2010 3:57 AM
>>To: countdeiro at earthlink.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
>>
>>Dear Count, and Listoids,
>>
>>Another story:
>>http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-01/star-verge-supernova-could-threaten-life-earth
>>
>>And another:
>>http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/T_Pyxidis_Soon_To_Be_A_Type_Ia_Supernova_999.html
>>
>>And another:
>>http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=8944
>>
>>All taken from the same press release, you will note.
>>
>>And all equally in error about The End Of All Life As
>>We Know It. It's a math mistake: "However, Dr. Sion's
>>calculations were challenged by Prof. Alex Fillipenko
>>who said that Sion had possibly miscalculated the
>>damage that could be caused by a T Pyxidis supernova.
>>He had used data for a far more deadly gamma-ray burst
>>(GRB) exploding 3,260 light-years from Earth, not a
>>supernova, and T Pyxidis certainly isn't expected to
>>produce a GRB. According to an another expert,
>>"A supernova would have to be 10 times closer [to Earth]
>>to do the damage described."
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_Pyxidis
>>
>>Information about nearby supernovas of the recent past:
>>http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/06jan_bubble.htm
>>
>>The truth is a supernova would be disastrous at 25 light
>>years away (not 3260). 50 light years away and it would
>>cause some damage, although it's hard to say how much.
>>100 light years away and it would be the action movie of
>>all time but you might worry that you sat too near to the
>>screen. There are two kinds (strengths) of supernovas. For
>>the Big One, I'd want to sit further away than the 300 Light
>>Year Line
>>
>>But 3260 light years? Fergettabouttit!
>>
>>Now, I can go to bed without worrying about a darn
>>Supernova...
>>
>>It's always something.
>>
>>
>>Sterling K. Webb
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>>To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:18 AM
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Sorry List,
>>> Here is corrected link re previous Death Star post.
>>> Count Deiro
>>>
>>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2795981/Supernova-may-wipe-out-the-Earth.html
>>> ______________________________________________
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  7 14:00:50 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:00:50 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dangers from Nearby Supernovae
Message-ID: <B124CD53E605434794F9ACDF02DCEA68@ATARIENGINE2>

http://www.tass-survey.org/richmond/answers/snrisks.txt

I quote Michael Richmond's article in full, because it seems to
cover everything and saves all of us a lot of tedious arithmetic.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

           Will a Nearby Supernova Endanger Life on Earth?
                      Michael Richmond
                   [last revised Dec 5, 2009]

         ---------------------------------------------------

   Since this topic seems to come up every year or so, I decided to
try to work out some of the dangers quantitatively.  Let me list the
various sources of danger I've considered.

            1. optical and near-optical light
            2. X-rays from the explosion itself
            3. X-rays from the supernova remnant
            4. gamma rays*
            5. neutrinos
            6. energetic particles*

I haven't been able to find much information on those items marked with 
"*",
but I'll tell you what I know.  My current best guess is that items 2
and/or 4, energetic photons, are the most dangerous to those nearby.
I've tried to estimate the amount of X-ray or gamma-ray radiation
which poses a threat to unshielded humans in

            Appendix A. What dose of high-energy radiation is lethal?

I use several units of distance in this text which may be unfamiliar
to some readers.  They may find a very terse explanation in

            Appendix B. Units of distance

I've listed references to other sources of information on the effects
of supernovae on the biosphere near the end of the text.


        ---------------------------------------------------------


  1. Optical and near-optical light

         After a very brief (but significant?  I don't think we know 
enough
     to say for sure) "flash", the optical output of SNe rises over a 
period
     of several weeks, peaks for a few days (types Ia, Ib) to a few 
months
     (type IIP), then fades relatively slowly.  The absolute magnitudes 
of
     of supernovae at peak, like everything else, vary according to the
     astronomer who answers the question :-), but rough values are

                                            distance at which object 
would
           Object               peak M(V)   have same apparent V mag as 
Sun
         ---------------------------------------------------------------------
            Sun                      +4.8          1 AU
            type Ia                 -19.0     58,000 AU  = 0.3 pc
            type II              >= -18.5   <=46,000 AU  = 0.2 pc

     Clearly, SNe must be very close to affect the Earth via optical 
photons.

  2. X-rays from the explosion

     I could find data for X-rays from type II SNe only, but I'll make
     estimates for Ia as well.  Satellites detected <= 80x10^(-12) 
erg/(cm^2-s)
     in the 6-28 keV range from SN 1987A (which was probably less 
luminous
     than most).  Let me guess that, over the entire X-ray range, at 
peak,
     about 800x10^(-12) erg/(cm^2-s) would be observed from SN 1987A.

     The Sun, on the other hand, during a large flare, emits around 0.35
     erg/(cm^2-s) in the same X-ray band.  In order to produce the same
     X-ray flux as a large solar flare, then, SN 1987A would have to be
     closer by the sqrt(0.35/[800x10^(-12)]), or at a distance of ~2 pc.

     Another type II SN which was detected in X-rays was SN 1993J, in 
M81.
     The ASCA satellite measured a flux of about 1x10^(-11) 
ergs/(cm^2-s)
     in the range 1-10 keV.  Using the same value as above for the X-ray
     flux of the Sun during a large flare, we find that the SN would 
have
     to be moved closer by a factor of 190,000 to equal the solar flare;
     that would correspond to a distance of about 20 pc (from its actual
     distance of 3.6 Mpc).

     The Type IIP supernova 1979C has remained bright at X-ray
     (and optical) wavelengths for several decades.  Observations by
     the XMM satellite in 2001 at energies 0.3 - 2 keV reveal an
     X-ray luminosity of roughly 0.8 x 10^(39) erg/s, which is
     about the same as the X-ray luminosity measured six years
     earlier by ROSAT.  We believe that the prolonged X-ray emission
     is due to shock waves running through rich circumstellar
     material.  While this X-ray luminosity is lower than that
     of some other Type II SNe, it suggests that in some cases,
     X-ray emission could continue for many years.

     The Type Ic supernova 1998bw was observed by the BeppoSAX
     satellite.  It had a peak X-ray flux of about 4.6 counts per
     thousand seconds in the BeppoSAX MECS instrument; using a distance
     of 43 Mpc to the supernova, this corresponds to an X-ray
     luminosity of about 5x10^(40) erg/s in the range 2 to 10 keV.
     The X-ray flux decreased by a factor of 3 over a six-month
     period.

     The Type IIc supernova 2003bg was observed with
     the Chandra X-ray Observatory; the low-energy (0.5 to 10.0 keV)
     flux indicates a luminosity of about 4x10^(39) erg/s.  This
     event would provide roughly the X-ray flux of a big solar
     flare if it were placed 10 pc away.

     SN 2001em was an example of a type Ib/Ic supernova.  We believe
     these are very massive stars which gently and gradually shed their
     outer layers of (mostly) hydrogen via strong stellar winds, leaving
     behind a layer of (mostly) helium, for type Ib, or (mostly) heavier
     elements, for type Ic.  When the star runs out of fuel at its
     center, the core collapses and then explodes, just like a Type II
     supernova.  Back to 2001em: in 2004, some 2.5 years after the
     explosion, the Chandra X-ray satellite measured X-rays in the range
     from 0.5-to-8.0 keV which indicate a luminosity of 10^(41) erg/s
     for an object at 80 Mpc.  That makes 2001em one of the most 
luminous
     X-ray emitters among supernovae.  This supernova could produce as 
much
     X-ray flux as a strong solar flare at a large distance, something
     like 50 pc away from us.

     SN 2008D was another type Ib/c supernova.  It was caught in the
     act of exploding by the SWIFT satellite; that is, the radiation
     emitted as the shockwave of the explosion reached the photosphere
     of the star was detected.  Soderberg et al. (Nature 453, 469, 2008)
     estimate that the peak X-ray luminosity during the brief (400 
seconds)
     breakout phase was about 6 x 10^(43) erg/s, much more luminous than
     the late-time X-ray emission.  Note that it doesn't last very long.
     This supernova could produce as much X-ray flux as a strong solar
     flare at a distance of around 1200 pc from the Earth.  The authors
     did not detect any gamma rays from this breakout, however.

     Models of type Ia SNe (Shigeyama et al., A&AS 97, 223 [1993])
     predict X-ray luminosities of around 10^42 erg/sec at peak.
     This is about 10-100 times as luminous as SN 1993J, and so a
     type Ia SN could be 3-10 times farther away (60-200 pc) and still
     equal a solar flare.

     I suspect that X-rays (and gamma-rays, see below) are the most
     deadly of a nearby SN's effects.  See Appendix A for a discussion
     of the amount of X-ray radiation needed to kill a human being.


  3. X-rays from the supernova remnant

     As material in the ejecta slams into the surrounding ISM, it 
produces
     shock waves that can heat material up to millions of degrees and 
produce
     X-rays.  For example, the SNR Cas A, at a distance of about 3kpc,
     has a flux of something like 5x10^(-15) erg/(cm^2-s) according to
     X-ray satellites (I had to assume a LOT about the size and 
efficiency
     of the instruments here, so I'm probably way off, but it won't 
matter).
     Comparing again with the flux from a solar flare, we find that Cas 
A
     would have to be located less than 0.001 pc from the Earth to 
produce
     the same flux.  Now, this flux would be very long-lasting, but even
     so, is clearly less important than the X-rays produced in the 
explosion.

  4. Gamma-rays from the explosion (much based on words of wisdom from
        David Palmer - thanks, Dave!)

     One way to estimate the effect of SNe in gamma-rays is to compare 
the
     amount of power they produce in gamma-rays ALONE with that from the
     Sun at ALL wavelengths:
                                                distance at which power
                   power                        is equal to Sun's total
        Sun      10^33 erg/s (all wavelengths)         1 AU
        SN II    10^39 erg/s (gamma + X-rays)       1200 AU ~ 0.006 pc
        SN Ia  2x10^41 erg/s (gamma + X-rays)      17000 AU ~ 0.08  pc

     In somewhat more detail: both X-rays and Gamma-rays from SN 1987A
     were due to the decay of radionucleides, primarily Co56 from the
     Ni56->Co56->Fe56 decay chain.  Gamma rays, primarily at
     0.847 and 1.238 MeV, were downgraded by Compton scattering in the
     envelope (keeping the envelope hot and luminous) and then emerged 
at
     lower energies in the X-ray and gamma-ray range.  The unscattered
     photons at 0.847 and 1.238 were also seen.

     In greater detail: observations of the flux in X-rays and gamma
     rays from the Sun reveal that most of the energy is in the X-rays,
     with relatively small fractions in the gamma-ray regime.  Using 
data
     from Colhane et al. (Solar Physics 153, 307 [1994]), Baoz et al.
     (Solar Physics 153, 33 [1994]) and McConnell et al. (Adv. Space 
Res.,
     v 13, n 9, 245 [1993]), I find

                      Energy from Sun during flares
     Satellite     energy range    duration     total power (erg/cm^2)
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Yohkoh        20-? keV        10 sec        350
     COMPTEL (GRO) 1-10 MeV       900 sec          0.01
     GAMMA-1       > 30 MeV       600 sec          0.0002


     By comparison, the flux in the 847 and 1238 keV lines due to
     the decay of Ni-56 in a type Ia SN is estimated to be (data from
     Ruiz-Lapuente et al., ApJ 417, 547 [1993]) at a distance of 1000 pc

     SN Ia          ~1  MeV       ~60 days   ~40,000

     This is significant -- a type Ia SN, at the distance of 1000 pc,
     dumps as much gamma-ray radiation onto the earth as 1,000
     solar flares.  Even when the Sun is at the peak of its activity
     cycle, I don't think it flares ten times a day, so, even at a
     kiloparsec, a type Ia SN would outshine the Sun in gamma rays.

     However, while I _do_ know that we easily survive even the greatest
     solar flares, I don't know how a large increase in the gamma-ray
     flux over a period of several months would affect the earth's
     atmosphere.  Steve Thorsett, in a preprint "Terrestial Implications
     of Cosmological Gamma-Ray Burst Models," quotes sources which
     suggest that considerably more than 100,000 erg/(cm^2) in
     gamma-rays are needed to destroy the ozone layer, so it seems
     that a type Ia would have to be closer than 1 kpc to cause
     significant damage.


  5. Neutrinos

     The neutrino flux from SN 1987A was about 5x10^10 cm^(-2) in a 
burst
     a few seconds, which is similar to that from the Sun 
(6.5x10^10/(cm^2-s))!

     Calculation due to Robert W. Spiker, U. of Virginia:

>     This was part of a question on my PhD qual exams two years ago. 
> The
>     answer I got was about an AU.  Here's how I did it:

>     Total energy released in a SN in neutrinos is E_\nu \sim 10^53 
> ergs.

>     Cross section for interaction is \sigma = 10^{-44} cm^2.

>     Minimum lethal dose is 1000 rads = 10^5 ergs of energy absorbed 
> per
>     gram of body weight = 8 x 10^9 ergs absorbed for a body weight of 
> 80
>     kg in order to die a horrible death.  (This number I was given.)

>     Energy absorbed = Energy passing thru * cross section * path 
> length *
>                       number density of absorbing body

>     I figure the typical body presents 1 square meter of area and has 
> a
>     path length of 30 cm (so we can look at the pretty star as it 
> blows).
>     Number density of the body I chose to be 1 g cm^{-3} / 6 m_H; that 
> is,
>     density equal to water (we float) and mean molecular weight of 
> about 6
>     (mostly H but lots of C, N, and O I figured).

>     The energy passing thru = "flux" * area = 10^53 ergs / (4 \pi d^2) 
> * 1 m^2
>     so the distance d needed to absorb a lethal dose is

>     d^2 = (E_\nu  A \sigma n l) / (4 \pi E_{lethal})

>     which if you plug in as I did comes to 1 AU.

     I think it's safe to say that the neutrino dangers are small
     compared to others.

     However, perhaps the simple calculations above are missing
     some important points.  A paper appeared on the Astrophysics
     Preprint Server (May, 1995) that claims neutrinos can indeed be
     dangerous at larger distances.  The paper is called "Biological 
Effects
     of Stellar Collapse Neutrinos", is written by J. I. Collar
     (University of South Carolina), and was submitted to Phys. Rev. 
Lett.
     Here's the abstract:

          Massive stars in their final stages of collapse radiate most 
of
          their binding energy in the form of MeV neutrinos. The recoil
          atoms that they produce in elastic scattering off nuclei in
          organic tissue create a radiation damage which is highly
          effective in the production of irreparable DNA harm,
          leading to cellular mutation, neoplasia and oncogenesis.
          Using a conventional model of the galaxy and of the collapse
          mechanism, the periodicity of nearby stellar collapses and
          the radiation dose are calculated. The possible contribution 
of
          this process to the paleontological record of mass extinctions
          is examined.

     You can find more information by looking up astro-ph/9505028
     at http://xxx.lanl.gov/archive/astro-ph.


  6. Cosmic-ray particles

     This possiblilty is one that may be important, but I just don't 
know
     enough to calculate HOW important.  Here's what I could find:

     The solar wind, at the distance of the Earth, has a density of 
about
     9 protons/cm^3, velocity ~470 km/s (and the particles have a 
temperature
     around 10^5K).  Let me take as a measure of the impact on the 
Earth's
     atmosphere the product of density and (velocity*velocity): 2x10^16
     in cgs units (protons/cm-s^2).  Now, let me consider the material
     in the expanding shell of ejecta from a type II SN; assume a total
     mass of 5M(solar), an expansion velocity of 5,000 km/s and a shell
     thickness of 0.01 times its radius (I'll bet that the real 
thickness
     is greater, but this increases the impact).  Then, assuming that 
the
     shell expands uniformly and ignoring all the material swept up in 
its
     path (which really IS significant over scales of >~ 1pc), I find

                      time since
        shell radius   explosion  proton density 
density*velocity*velocity
       --------------------------------------------------------------------
          1 pc           200 yr      30      cm^3           7x10^18
         10 pc          2000 yr       0.03   cm^3           7x10^15

     So, this vastly over-simplified model predicts that the ejecta
     material will be comparable to the solar wind at a distance of a 
few
     parsecs.  Again, I have no idea how much stronger the "SN wind" 
must be
     than the solar wind for it to pose a danger.

     However, I've left out the issue of the energy of the particles.
     It has been hypothesized that SN remnants are sites of cosmic-ray
     acceleration, which could produce a smaller population of MUCH more
     energetic particles than in the typical ejecta shell.  Those
     very-high-energy particles could have a significant impact despite
     their small numbers.  Since I know zero about acceleration 
mechanisms,
     or the effect of the energy of cosmic-ray particles on their
     interaction with the Earth's atmosphere, I'll just stop here.


  Conclusion:  I suspect that a type II explosion must be within a few
parsecs of the Earth, certainly less than 10 pc (33 light years),
to pose a danger to life on Earth.  I suspect that a type Ia explosion,
due to the larger amount of high-energy radiation, could be several 
times
farther away.  My guess is that the X-ray and gamma-ray radiation
are the most important at large distances.


  Additional reading:
     Larry Marschall provides a general overview of supernovae and
        their properties in "The Supernova Story."

     "Biological Effects of Stellar Collapse Neutrinos", by J. I. Collar
        (University of South Carolina), submitted to Phys. Rev. Lett.
        in 1995; You can find more information by looking up
        astro-ph/9505028 at http://xxx.lanl.gov/archive/astro-ph

      Brian Fields and John Ellis comment on a recent (1999) claim of
        the detection of radioactive material which _might_ have come
        from a nearby supernova only a few million years ago in
        "On Deep-Ocean Fe-60 as a Fossil of a Near-Earth Supernova".
        You can read the paper by looking up astro-ph/9811457 at
        http://xxx.lanl.gov/archive/astro-ph, or find less technical
        discussion at http://www.astro.uiuc.edu/~bdfields/NearbySN.html

     Steve Thorsett considers the possibilities that a local gamma-ray 
burst
        source (at the center of our own Milky Way galaxy) might affect
        adversely life on earth ... _IF_ the model of the burst is 
correct,
        See his paper in ApJ Letters, vol. 444, page L53 (1995).

      Neil Gehrels et al. calculate the effect of gamma rays from
        a nearby supernova on the ozone layer of the Earth.  The 
preprint
        is http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/0211361, and the paper
        is published in vol 585 of Astrophysical Journal.  They
        conclude that a Type Ia SN would have to be within about
        8 parcsecs of the Earth to destroy half the ozone layer,
        and therefore have a significant effect on the biosphere.
        You can read a press release at
        http://www.sciencedaily.com//releases/2003/01/030122072843.htm

      There have been in 2005 a burst of papers considering the effects 
of
        Gamma-Ray Bursts (GRBs) on the Earth.
        + Cosmic Rays from Gamma Ray Bursts in the Galaxy,
             Dermer and Holmes
             http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/0504158
        + Terrestrial Ozone Depletion Due to a Milky Way Gamma-Ray 
Burst,
             Thomas et al., ApJ 622, 153 (2005)
             http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0411284


      ----------------------------------------------------------


 Appendix A. What dose of high-energy radiation is lethal?

  Just how much high-energy radiation does it take to kill a human
being?  I'm not sure, but let me show one might take the appropriate
factors into account.

  First, we measure the exposure and absorption of high-energy radiation 
by
living creatures in units called "rems", "rads," and "grays."
For simplicity, we consider only the total amount of energy to which
a creature is exposed, ignoring the spectral shape of the radiation
(that is, we lump together X-rays and gamma-rays of all energies).
The units are:

           1 gray = 1 joule of energy per kilogram of body mass
                  = 10,000 ergs per gram

           1 rad  = 0.01 gray
                  = 0.01 joule of energy per kilogram of body mass
                  = 100  ergs per gram

           1 rem  = 1 rad * Q,      Q = "quality factor"

  Here, the "qualify factor" is somewhat vague; I believe the intent is
to account for a number of factors which can affect the amount of energy
absorbed by the creature, and the biological effects thereof.  For 
example,
it might include factors for

               - protection by clothing
               - orientation of body to direction of the radiation
               - selective absorption by various biological organs
                      or structures

  I'll assume that the "quality factor" has a value of order unity,
although I suspect that in real life situations, Q may be closer to
0.1 than to 1.0.

  There have been many studies of the effects of high-energy radiation
on humans and other animals.  I grabbed the following table
of effects of short-term exposure to high-energy radiation from
http://pooh.chem.wm.edu/chemWWW/courses/chem105/projects/group5/page12.html

                 REM             Effect
               --------------------------------------------
                 0-25         No detectable effects

                 25-100       Temporary decrease in white
                              blood cell count

                 100-200      Nausea, vomiting, longer-term
                              decrease in white blood cells

                 200-300      Vomiting, diarrhea, loss of
                              appetite, listlessness

                 300-600      Vomiting, diarrhea,
                              hemorrhaging, eventual death in
                              some cases

                 Above 600    Eventual death in almost all
                              cases

  As for long-term exposure to radiation, the US Nuclear Regulatory
Commision declared in January, 1994, that 5 rem/year is an acceptable
dose for people.

  Now, let's calculate the amount of radiation absorbed by a human 
being.
I'll approximate the cross-sectional area of a human by a rectangle
1.5 meters high and 0.4 meters wide; thus

            human cross-section area A = 0.6 m^2
                                       = 6,000 cm^2

  I'll also estimate a typical human body mass of

            human body mass M = 50 kg
                              = 50,000 g

  We are now ready to calculate the effect of some source of high-energy
radiation on an unshielded human being.  Since we are concerned with
astronomical sources, the ionizing radiation from which is blocked by
the Earth's atmosphere, we will imagine a human being in space --  
perhaps
some astronaut in a spaceship on a voyage to Mars.  Let's neglect the
protection provided by the walls of his spaceship.

  (In the calculations below, I use "parcecs" as a measure of distance
         1 parsec =  3.1 x 10^18  centimeters
                  =  3.3          light years)


  Suppose a supernova explodes at some distance D pc from the solar 
system,
and has an intrinsic total luminosity in X-rays and gamma-rays of L 
ergs/sec.
Then the astronaut suffers a dose

                                   area             L        A
                   dose =  flux * ------- * Q =  -------- * --- * Q
                                   mass          4*pi*D^2    M

                                L           (erg)       6000  (cm^2)
                        = -------------  ----------  * ------ ------ * Q
                          1.2x10^38 D^2  (cm^2-sec)    50,000   (g)

                                           L
                        =   1 x 10^(-39) ----- * Q    (rem/sec)
                                          D^2


  As discussed in section 2 above, a supernova might produce L = 10^42 
erg/sec
in X-rays at its peak (and perhaps a similar amount in gamma rays, as 
shown
in section 4).  Moreover, let's assume that Q = 1, to a very rough 
degree.
Then the dose suffered by the astronaut every second is

                           1,000
                  dose  =  -----  (rem/sec)
                            D^2

  So, we can make a table showing the time it takes for her to 
accumulate
a lethal dose of radiation, assuming that 300 rems will kill her:

           distance to SN             time to lethal dose
           -----------------          -------------------------
                  1  pc                       < 1 sec
                 10  pc                        30 sec
                100  pc                     3,000 sec = 1 hour
              1,000  pc = 1 kpc           300,000 sec = 3.5 day
             10,000* pc = 10 kpc       30,000,000 sec = 1 year*

  So, any supernova within a kiloparsec presents an immediate threat to
unshielded humans.  However, more distant events aren't very dangerous,
because their high-energy luminosity starts to drop after a few days,
well before they impart a lethal dose to astronauts.  For that reason,
the final row of the table above has an asterisk (*).

  Following the measurements of the type Ib/c SN 2008, we can estimate
the danger from the prompt X-ray emission due to the shock breakout.
The peak luminosity in X-rays was about 6 x 10^(43) erg/sec, and the
breakout lasted about 400 seconds, so that's a total of about
2.6 x 10^(46) ergs.  Plugging into the formulae above, we find that
this prompt X-ray dose would reach the lethal level (300 rems) if
the SN was about 300 pc or closer.


      ----------------------------------------------------------


 Appendix B. Units of distance

  The astronomical community often uses two base units, one designed
to measure distances within our own solar system, the other designed
to measure distances to other stars and to other galaxies.

  The "Astronomical Unit" (or AU) is approximately the distance from the
Earth to the Sun.  It's very useful for discussing situations within
our own Solar System, or in other stellar systems.

               1 AU        =  150 million kilometers

                           =  1.5 x 10^8 km

                           =  1.5 x 10^11 m

  The "parsec" (or pc for short) is the distance at which a ruler
1 AU long would appear to subtend one second of arc -- that is, it
would subtend 1/3600 degrees.

               1 pc        =  3.1 x 10^16 m

                           =  206,265 AU

                           =  3.26 light years

  We often use metric prefixes with parsecs to describe longer
distances:

               1 kpc       =  1,000 pc       =  3.1 x 10^19 m

               1 Mpc       =  1,000,000 pc   =  3.1 x 10^22 m







From meteoriteman at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 15:58:22 2010
From: meteoriteman at comcast.net (meteoriteman at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:58:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
Message-ID: <1119541382.8795401262897902494.JavaMail.root@sz0098a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>


Some time ago I found a stone that appeared to be a lunar. But my excitment was short lived after doing a density test with a result of 2.25. Anyone ever hear of a lunar having such a low density? Photo of the imposter below.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn181/Jimski47/P7060034.jpg

Cheers,
Jim K



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Jan  7 17:18:24 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:18:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - January 6, 2010
Message-ID: <201001072218.o07MIOMX027040@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
January 6, 2010

o Falling Material Kicks Up Cloud of Dust on Dunes
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007962_2635

o Headwater Region of Warrego Valles
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_004266_1385

o Knobs and Mounds on the Northern Plains
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001916_2220

o Gullies on the Exterior Wall of a Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001908_1405 

o Volcanic Vent in the Tharsis Region
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001695_2080

All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.



From m_graul at yahoo.de  Thu Jan  7 19:13:06 2010
From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:13:06 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: NWA 6000 (AHOW) and NWA 6002 yellow (R4-6)
Message-ID: <914697.30853.qm@web26302.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Dear List members,

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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 19:29:19 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:29:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Karoonda (CK4) with Museum provenance!
Message-ID: <596248.78048.qm@web46407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all, a quick offer to metlist members.

I recently received some outstanding samples of the CK4 namesake, Karoonda.
This is an awesome meteorite that is pretty rare to find in anything other then mg sized specks.
Best of all, these have museum provenance and each sample will come with a copy of the museum label.

I am only selling 4 fragments right now, one has fusion crust.
I dont think these will last long, first four who respond will have first chance.

.16g with fusion crust
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.17g 
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.18g
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.19g 
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If interested, email me off list.

Hope everyone has a good weekend, I look forward to meeting some of you at the MAG meeting.

Greg C.
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Thu Jan  7 20:34:49 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:34:49 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] The New Meteorites USA
Message-ID: <4B468BB9.7090301@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Listees and Meteorite Junkies, And EVERYONE who wants to know about 
meteorites.

I'm pleased to announce that the newly redesigned Meteorites USA website 
is up and running.
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/

If you're not a member yet and are interested in meteorites you're 
welcome to join.
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/wp-login.php?action=register

Meteorite dealers and those of you who own a meteorite or astronomy 
related website or blog.
Advertising information: http://www.meteoritesusa.com/advertising/
Add your link to the meteorite directory: 
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-links/

Meteorites USA Site Changes:
Cleaner easier layout and design.
More Meteorite hunting & collecting articles and information
More Meteorite photos & videos
Improved Fireball Report Form
Access to current Meteor Fireball Reports

Currently being developed:
Google Earth - Fireball Sighting Maps, Reports, Photos & RADAR Data - 
Major USA fireball sightings for 2008/2009
Google Earth - Meteorite Strewnfield Maps (with coordinates and data)

Over the past couple years I've spent literally hundreds of hours 
compiling data on almost all major fireball events including  news 
articles, blog posts, videos, and photos of major meteor/fireball events 
in the USA. This data is currently being compiled into Google Earth maps 
to be up accessible to members of Meteorites USA. Some events have RADAR 
data available and some don't, where data is available it will be 
accessible via the website.

Advanced Fireball Reporting & Mapping: We're also building a fireball 
reporting and mapping system whose launch date is to be announced. 
Currently the fireball reporting form is a manual submission form 
meaning meteor/fireball sighting witnesses have to input data into the 
form, it gets emailed to me and posted to the site, but we're taking it 
a step further.

We're adding dynamic Google mapping, and reporting capability with 
geotagging, video, and photo upload capability as well. Each fireball 
report will be automatically mapped and posted LIVE! in real time to the 
site as it happens. The ability to read the reports and map the area of 
the sightings will provide an invaluable resource to anyone wishing to 
have access to current meteor, fireball, and fresh meteorite fall 
information as it happens in the United States. Other improvements to 
the site are being made as well...

Thank you all for your suggestions and advice and I hope you enjoy the 
new site.

Happy New Year!

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
www.meteoritesusa.com






From cdtucson at cox.net  Thu Jan  7 12:09:50 2010
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:09:50 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunar's
In-Reply-To: <20100106203541.edp8wfbmr5r4ksgw@webmail.localnet.com>
Message-ID: <20100107120950.NE4LD.102773.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Al,
Okay . Bad comparison with red on outside or milbillillie but The question I 
asked was sort of answered by the other Carl. His posted video shows that the 
current Japanese probe has spotted 41 different spots on the moon which have 
this red color. Including the one we found called "shorty crater". 
http://www.panoramas.dk/moon/apollo-17-2.html 
 
So, it seems rather obvious that ;1). This red color originated on the moon 
itself and 2). According to this video as examined by Dr. Saal? of Brown university. They are calling it a mixture of water silicate and glass 
material but it is indeed red and from the moon itself. 
This still makes Oman material seem strange that only material that landed there 
came from these red areas. because not all of those falls have been linked as 
related to each other. maybe now they will be? This also means that there are 
likely more red lunars laying around. Thanks Carl 
-- 
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


---- almitt2 at localnet.com wrote: 
> Hi Carl and all,
> 
> Just a note, the Millbillillie reddish color comes from the red clay in 
> that area of Australia and isn't oxidation to my knowledge. There are 
> many pristine samples of Millbillillie with black fusion crust. Also 
> Millbillillie is a somewhat fairly fresh fall that didn't happen very 
> long ago.
> 
> For your information and others. All my best!
> 
> 
> --AL Mitterling
> Mitterling Meteorites
> 
> Quoting cdtucson at cox.net:
> 
> > Greg,
> >
> > Many Meteorites from other finds do have the red oxidation on the 
> > crust like Millbillillie but not exclusively on just in interior 
> > areas like the Oman clan. So , again why is that?
> > Thanks Carl
> > --
> > Carl or Debbie Esparza
> > Meteoritemax
> >
> >
> 
> 



From cdtucson at cox.net  Thu Jan  7 12:29:10 2010
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:29:10 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunar's
In-Reply-To: <4B461556.6010000@dri.edu>
Message-ID: <20100107122910.MBSFC.103176.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Dave, 
Not to beat a dead horse but please take note when you watch the video that. The red of "shorty Crater"  is only exposed because it was hit by a meteorite and excavated a crater. Similarly, if the other 40 spots found with this red material also were exposed by meteorite  hits. Does that not up the odds that much of this red stuff got air bourne? And then landed on Earth? My theory is that all of this red material in beneath the surface and only now do we realize this. All of the spots the Japanese probe points out that are red also happen to be in the shape of a crater. This further adds to the theory. It now seems clear that this red stuff originated on the moon after all. Maybe? 
See you in Tucson. Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


---- Dave Mouat <dave.mouat at dri.edu> wrote: 
> Hi Carl
> 
> And thanks for the reply.
> The observations that there is red material on the moon is very 
> important.  However, the % of the moon's surface that has red material 
> is almost infinitessimal.  It is very possible that the Oman lunaites 
> indeed come from that lunar red matter but far more likely that it is 
> terrestrial weathering.  One of the listees mentioned hematite 
> staining.  That is also possible, but it is more likely that Fe minerals 
> in the parent rock have weathered in situ.
> Possibly see you in Tucson.
> 
> Dave
> 
> cdtucson at cox.net wrote:
> > Dave,
> >  Okay . Bad comparison with red on outside or milbillillie but The question I asked was sort of answered by the other Carl. His posted video shows that the current Japanese probe has spotted 41 different spots on the moon which have this red color. Including the one we found called "shorty crater".
> > http://www.panoramas.dk/moon/apollo-17-2.html
> >
> > So, it seems rather obvious that ;1). This red color originated on the moon itself and 2). They are calling it a mixture of water silicate and glass material but it is indeed red and from the moon itself.
> > This still makes Oman material seem strange that only material that landed there came from these red areas. because not all of those falls have been linked as related to each other. maybe now they will be? This also means that there are likely more red lunars laying around. Thanks Carl
> > --
> > Carl or Debbie Esparza
> > Meteoritemax
> >
> >
> > ---- Dave Mouat <dave.mouat at dri.edu> wrote: 
> >   
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> The red on the millbillillie's isn't oxidation, it's red clay that got 
> >> stuck to the meteorites upon landing in a very iron-rich clay surface.
> >> What do you mean by "deep inside" and "original crusty area"?  Do you 
> >> mean the meteorites themselves?
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> cdtucson at cox.net wrote:
> >>     
> >>> Greg,
> >>> Interesting observation.
> >>> Recently, I asked the same question to Randy Korotev. As I recall he said it was Earth oxidation.
> >>> I then looked at all of the pictures on his web site and noticed that the only ones he shows with this red
> >>>  color are the Oman examples. Most of them are listed as Dhofar but Oman also includes your example in 
> >>> question; shisr161 . 
> >>> see pics at link;
> >>> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alumina.htm
> >>>
> >>> So, All do respect to Randy, to add to your question; why do only Oman lunar's have the red color inside. Because in some of them the red is only very deep inside
> >>> and not near the original crustal area. You would think if it was weathering on Earth,  it would be near the surface area and not only deep inside as clearly is the case in some of the pics. ? Many Meteorites from other finds do have the red oxidation on the crust like Millbillillie but not exclusively on just in interior areas like the Oman clan. So , again why is that? 
> >>> Thanks Carl
> >>> --
> >>> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> >>> Meteoritemax
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---- Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> List:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a question regarding Lunar meteorites.  In many of the pics on various websites I have noticed a reddish/brown color in the meteorites.  I figured that most would be more grayish and white.  Is the reddish color from terrestrial means?  Does it oxidize after landing?  Or is this reddish color not related to oxidation at all and is the actual color it would be on the moon?  I would think that there would be no oxidation on the moon or in space, due to the lack of oxygen.
> >>>>
> >>>> Shisr161 is an example.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Shisr161-2.884g.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>> I can't get over how 'terrestrial' lunars look.  Who knows... maybe I've stepped on one without knowing it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Greg S.
> >>>>
> >>>>  
> >>>>  		 	   		  
> >>>> _________________________________________________________________
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From mlblood at cox.net  Fri Jan  8 04:03:52 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:03:52 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction (AD)
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W21358E381AD451050F50D89B710@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C76C34F8.A805%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi All,
        Darryl Pitt placed 4 outstanding specimens from the Macavich
Collection in the Tucson Meteorite Auction today, bringing the total 'to
only 70. However, not a one of them has a minimum bid and there are
a lot of very nice specimens along a broad continuum of value.
        Anyone wanting to get any advertising of their pieces needs
To submit within a week. It won't be long before I am creating a
"print" copy of the catalog., so, if you want in, NOW is the time.
        You can see the lots to date at:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/TucsonAuction10.html

        Best wishes, Michael




From geoking at notkin.net  Fri Jan  8 13:52:05 2010
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:52:05 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Massive 40% Off Sale - Rare and Fabulous
	Meteorites
Message-ID: <AC68ACB2-5EA4-4638-B80A-8E45B8814C48@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

I have some rare and very high quality meteorites available for sale  
at massive discounts, for a very limited time. These are excellent  
specimens and include the following:

Cape York stellar etched part slice 145.0 grams
Sahara 97072 Enstatite chondrite
NWA 1222 Enstatite chondrite full slice 149.2 grams
Dhofar 700 Diogenite, whole stone 18 grams
Seymchan extraordinary giant slice with inclusions and some olivine --  
spectacular and over 50 lbs!
Zacatecas large slice
Boxhole unusually large individual
NWA 1182 howardite
NWA 1914 howardite end cut with great fusion crust
NWA 2871 lodranite
Renfrow gorgeous large full slice 1,188 grams
DAG 1037 Martian basaltic shergotitte, lovely complete slice at less  
than $400/gram
Dhofar 125 Acapulcoite full slice 125.5 grams

And several more:

http://www.aerolite.org/meteorite-special-sale-page.htm

These great sale prices are for a VERY limited time! Sorry no trades,  
no payment plans. 40%-off prices are good for immediate sale only. I'm  
at my desk now so give a call if you want one  : )



Thanks for looking and all the best from sunny Tucson,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.meteoritemen.com
www.twitter.com/meteoritemen
www.meteoriteblog.org


From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 14:05:49 2010
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:05:49 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Massive 40% Off Sale - Rare and Fabulous
	Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <AC68ACB2-5EA4-4638-B80A-8E45B8814C48@notkin.net>
References: <AC68ACB2-5EA4-4638-B80A-8E45B8814C48@notkin.net>
Message-ID: <f0a794131001081105h58d39a04q17bb0491b2ab667@mail.gmail.com>

Geoff,

If the CAPE YORK polished slice is still available I'll take it.

I can send paypal or pay with whatever method you prefer.

Thanks,

Mike

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Notkin <geoking at notkin.net> wrote:
> Dear Listees:
>
> I have some rare and very high quality meteorites available for sale at
> massive discounts, for a very limited time. These are excellent specimens
> and include the following:
>
> Cape York stellar etched part slice 145.0 grams
> Sahara 97072 Enstatite chondrite
> NWA 1222 Enstatite chondrite full slice 149.2 grams
> Dhofar 700 Diogenite, whole stone 18 grams
> Seymchan extraordinary giant slice with inclusions and some olivine --
> spectacular and over 50 lbs!
> Zacatecas large slice
> Boxhole unusually large individual
> NWA 1182 howardite
> NWA 1914 howardite end cut with great fusion crust
> NWA 2871 lodranite
> Renfrow gorgeous large full slice 1,188 grams
> DAG 1037 Martian basaltic shergotitte, lovely complete slice at less than
> $400/gram
> Dhofar 125 Acapulcoite full slice 125.5 grams
>
> And several more:
>
> http://www.aerolite.org/meteorite-special-sale-page.htm
>
> These great sale prices are for a VERY limited time! Sorry no trades, no
> payment plans. 40%-off prices are good for immediate sale only. I'm at my
> desk now so give a call if you want one ?: )
>
>
>
> Thanks for looking and all the best from sunny Tucson,
>
> Geoff N.
>
> www.aerolite.org
> www.meteoritemen.com
> www.twitter.com/meteoritemen
> www.meteoriteblog.org
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From geoking at notkin.net  Fri Jan  8 17:57:59 2010
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:57:59 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Presentation in Tucson on Tuesday
Message-ID: <894ECFA6-2A40-4242-9443-14E54DA5BB9D@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

I'd like to extend an invitation to those of you in and around Tucson  
to join me for a special event next week.

This coming Tuesday, January 12, at 6 pm, I am very honored to be the  
guest speaker at the Flandrau Science Center's "Science Cafe." This is  
part of an ongoing educational series organized by the Flandrau. Free  
and open to the public, it is held at the Cushing Street Bar & Grill  
-- a charming restaurant very close to the TCC. The Flandrau says: "A  
science caf? is a casual forum for people to meet and discuss a  
particular science topic with a scientist in the relaxed atmosphere of  
a local restaurant."

I will be giving a short talk about meteorites, meteorite hunting, and  
the making of our "Meteorite Men" TV series, followed by a question  
and answer session. Food and drinks are available for purchase. I'll  
also be bringing along some favorite meteorite specimens for the  
audience to look at.

Details:

http://www.uasciencecenter.org

-- and --

http://www.uasciencecenter.org/2010/01/08/science-cafe-meteorite-hunters-investigate-the-science-of-rocks-from-space


Hope to see some of you there. It should be fun! Please email me off- 
List if you need any further information.


Respectfully,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.meteoritemen.com
www.twitter.com/meteoritemen
www.meteoriteblog.org

From GeoZay at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 18:18:01 2010
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:18:01 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Presentation in Tucson on Tuesday
Message-ID: <c04.75dbadf3.38791729@aol.com>


Say folks...If I was a meteorite dealer, I'd  give it some thought as to 
somehow arranging a little segment about one of these  meteorite shows...such 
as the one coming up in Tucson, to have a mentioning in  the Meteorite Men 
series. Maybe as an advertisement? Or casual mentioning etc  somewhere in the 
program itself? Perhaps this might put a seed into the general  publics 
mind that meteorites can be bought at these locations and other places  like 
ebay etc. There's probably a big untapped market out there to be reached.  
Just a thought...I'm not a dealer anyways. :O)
GeoZay  



From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Fri Jan  8 18:31:03 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:31:03 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Smallest 251g Meteorite or Misprint &
 Misidentification of Meteorites?
Message-ID: <4B47C037.1000109@meteoritesusa.com>

Am I reading this wrong or is this a misprint/typo? Misidentification?
https://www.sellmygems.com/v/meteorites/meteorites.html

Not to mention the 251g meteorite sold as Campo del Cielo more resembles 
a Sikhote Alin than a Campo. To add to that look at the "Meteorites from 
Russia" they appear to be Campo del Cielo "crytals" rather than the 
Russian meteorites described in the ad. Perhaps the seller mixed the 
bags up when they received the shipment in the mail?

Regards,
Eric


From drtanuki at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 18:24:57 2010
From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:24:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Montreal, Canada fireball 8JAN2010
Message-ID: <654057.89994.qm@web53103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear List,
  A fireball was seen over Montreal on Thursday 8, Jan., 2010.

http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/01/montreal-canada-fireball-meteor-news.html

Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Jan  8 19:17:16 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:17:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: January 4-8, 2010
Message-ID: <201001090017.o090HG3n003764@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
January 4-8, 2010

o Ganges Chasma (04 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100104a

o Naktong Vallis (05 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100105a

o Ascraeus Mons (06 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100106a

o Nirgal Vallis (07 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100107a

o Alba Mons (08 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100108A


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 





From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  8 20:21:54 2010
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:21:54 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Smallest 251g Meteorite
Message-ID: <COL108-W471DB5CA7C69F4207B422B9B6F0@phx.gbl>


Good eye to catch that, Eric. This Campo is obviously made of S.D.I. or Super Dense Iron. :D The buyer sure is lucky to purchase this rarity!

Carl
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
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From cdtucson at cox.net  Fri Jan  8 20:18:15 2010
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:18:15 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo Thank You
Message-ID: <20100108201815.7MBIP.516734.imail@fed1rmwml44>

Richard,
 Wow, I received your wonderful autographed photo in the mail today. Who is the handsome man holding the riker? Very Cool. I will have it framed and hanging in my office along with my other prized space photos by tonight. I am very proud of yet another Tucsonan. Looking forward to seeing you at Dolores Hill's Arizona Meteorite Exhibition on the 30th. See you there. Thanks again.
Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax



From damoclid at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 00:06:25 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:06:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The tents are going up!
Message-ID: <965025.11803.qm@web113605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=11793899


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


      


From mstreman at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 03:24:42 2010
From: mstreman at gmail.com (MstrEman)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 03:24:42 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test delete
Message-ID: <704f522a1001090024g75bd752fs6bc7059390b1bc03@mail.gmail.com>




From life19maroc at yahoo.fr  Sat Jan  9 06:29:13 2010
From: life19maroc at yahoo.fr (abdelfattah gharrad)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:29:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] test delet
Message-ID: <402002.3334.qm@web26301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

test delet


      


From illaenus at wp.pl  Sat Jan  9 09:26:14 2010
From: illaenus at wp.pl (Tomasz Jakubowski)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:26:14 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Ureilite NWA 5928 Main Mass
Message-ID: <4b489206c44092.76708037@wp.pl>

Dear List Members
I have very nice, super fresh Ureilite Main Mass for sale or trade.
NWA 5928 (URE), weight 687 grams. TKW is 1007 grams.
Specimen looks very nice, olivine&#8217;s are yellow to green color, 
loot of vein like area filled by graphite, low shock stage.
One of best Ureilite I have ever seen on cut surface. Size : 102x75x61 mm
Photos :
http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/UreiliteNWA5928687GramsMainMass#

If You are interest please write to my address illaenus at gmail.com
Have a nice Weekend.


Kind Regards
Tomasz Jakubowski
IMCA  #2321

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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 10:43:01 2010
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 07:43:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Clouds Jamboree Gem and Mineral Show
Message-ID: <741850.34133.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,

For those who may be headed through Southern Nevada on their way to the Tuscon show, the Cloud Jamboree Gem and Mineral show in beautiful and friendly Laughlin will be going all month.  The weather is gorgeous in the upper 60's and low 70's under sunny blue skies.   Clean hotel rooms can be had for as low as $20.00/night during the week and $30.00/night on the weekends. 

Here is the link:
http://www.cloudsjamboree.com/

Be sure to let me know if you will be passing this way.  I will be headed to Tucson on the 29th and return home early for the best Super Bowl parties I have ever attended if last year was any indication.  

Best Regards,

Adam


From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Sat Jan  9 11:00:23 2010
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (meteoriteshow at free.fr)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:00:23 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending in a few hours...
Message-ID: <1263052823.4b48a817cff73@imp.free.fr>

Dear Fellow Listees,

We wish you all a very HAPPY & PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR WITH MANY STARDUSTS!!!

After 2 weeks off, our ebay auctions ending on Saturday can be seen at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZmeteoriteshow

They include:

1- Ain Ouinet (unclass.) CV3 - 5.0g slice
Slice #3, weighing 5.0g, dimensions ~41x27x2mm.
Diplays a HUGE chonbdrule with some other sharply defined ones, CAIs and a very
interesting DARK INCLUSION.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330386613776

2- DaG 945 - EUCRITE - 8.5g partlice
PARTSLICE #8 weighing 8.5g, dimensions 49x43x1.6mm
FRESH meteorite (W1), it displays nice BLACK FUSION CRUST on the edge.
Shipped in a display box.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330386614443

3- DaG 947 - LL6 - 1.34g partslice
Partslice weighing 1.34g, dimensions 21x15x1.5mm
Partslice with FUSION CRUST
NO BID YET!!! STILL AT $100 STARTING PRICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330386614944

4- SAH 02500 L3 - 15.5g endpiece
Endpiece weighing 15.5g, dimensions: 27x25x13mm.
Typical structure of SAH 02500 diplaying an inclusion in a fresh structure.
~ 20% fusion crusted.
NO BID YET!!! STILL AT $100 STARTING PRICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330386615887

5- SAHARAN OC batch #02/09 - 175.5g - 15 pces
Batch of 15 small individuals & fragments, total weight of 175.5g.
MOST OF THEM WITH FUSION CRUST & SOME OF THEM ORIENTED (see pictures)
STILL AT A VERY LOW PRICE... JUMP ON IT!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330386616649

6- TAMDAKHT H5 - 29.2g frag - WITNESSED FALL!
Fragment weighing 29.2g, dimensions: 38x29x23mm.
Displays primary & secondary FUSION CRUST, very fresh fair grey matrix
STILL AT $100 STARTING PRICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330386617459

Thank you very much for watching and best wishes to ALL BIDDERS!!!
Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)


From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 14:48:50 2010
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:48:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] new fall from rich , friday 13 november 2009
Message-ID: <783824.47064.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

hi all;
well after a long time and a big search , well the nomade s come with?first ?meteorite from the rich fall , nzala;

precisely boulmaaaden near ait laabas castle

here is 108.9 gr? very fresh look like it has been touched with snow , or rain,
very few weathring if we can say not,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/

some?black chondrules,
this fall is typical, i can't compare to any other last falls,i mean here it doens't look like anyother fall i have seen,
i can guess, but i will let you guess what it is

all the best
aziz
?<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#40ffff;" face="comic sans ms">habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170</font> 


      


From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 14:56:32 2010
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:56:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <347699.88174.qm@web62004.mail.re1.yahoo.com>


?<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#40ffff;" face="comic sans ms">habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170</font> 


      


From korotev at wustl.edu  Sat Jan  9 15:13:24 2010
From: korotev at wustl.edu (Randy Korotev)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:13:24 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
In-Reply-To: <1524079905.9299901262991592140.JavaMail.root@sz0098a.emery
	ville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <201001082115.o08LFNW18804@levee.wustl.edu>
	<1524079905.9299901262991592140.JavaMail.root@sz0098a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <201001092012.o09KCjW07270@levee.wustl.edu>

At 16:59 08-01-10 Friday, you wrote:

>Randy, that's what I love about this hobby, it's an ongoing learning 
>process. Thanks for the links to the lunar meteowrongs, there great.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Jim K



Dear Jim:

Don't pay any attention to anything I say.  I'm a narrow-minded, 
egocentric fraud.

A few days ago a fellow sent me 32 rocks, all of which he thought 
were meteorites.  I told him I'd only look at the 3 he thought most 
likely to be meteorites.  He named three.  I looked at them.  None 
had fusion crusts or regmaglypts.  I showed them to a a guy here who 
knows more about terrestrial rocks than I do.  All three were 
volcaniclastic rocks, in our opinion.  Maybe one was a terrestrial 
breccia.  I told the guy what I thought.  Here's how he responded.

=========================================================
I'm thinking, that asking a geologist to do the job of a lunar 
geochemist, is like sending a carpenter to erect the next World Trade 
Center.  It is obvious, that you are unable to wrap your mind around 
the idea that a discovery such as this could be possible, or even 
feasible.  It is also apparent, that the potential of this discovery 
is not important to you, or to the science.  Your attempts to deny, 
denounce and destroy this effort has reached, "the end of the trail!"
    Having said as much, I will be dismissing you from this case.  I 
will have the lab results sent to several other, more open-minded & 
intelligent lunar geochemists, whom I am in contact with, and who 
currently think that such a discovery is not only possible and 
feasible, but probable & overdue.  This project is deserving of 
young, alert, provocative, curious and inquisitive minds, who are 
willing to think outside the box.  (There are meteorites that are 
"Red"!!......check out the latest chat on your local Meteorite chat 
room; courtesy of Mike Farmer).  I've never known a scientist 
wanting, offering or settling for a compromise on a potential 
discovery.  How egocentric & how terribly absurd!
    I do thank you for your efforts, but you are not the "man of 
science" I was expecting, or hoping, you would be.  It is obvious, 
too, that you introduced the specimens to your "terrestrial" 
geologist (if there was one you associate with!) with 
prejudice.  This is not the type of scientific inquiry deserving of a 
comment or compliment.   Your arguments against these specimens being 
meteoritic, should be directed against your own publications and 
those of Richard Norton, NASA, JPL, Johnson Space Center, and every 
single collection around the globe.  I must suspect, that you are in 
the game to protect your own precious fusion-crusted relics and the 
value of your fraternity's collections.  Your professional & personal 
integrity are certainly in question, here!   I have given you this 
potential discovery on a silver platter, but you have chosen to spit 
in my eye, as if I was some kind of lowly peon.  Never, have I been 
treated with such arrogant malice!
    I wish you well on your retirement & may it be soon!   A fella' 
can look at just so many rocks, that he becomes one, himself!
=========================================================

I sure hope this guy finds someone else on The List to insult!

I need to retire,
Randy Korotev








From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 15:26:28 2010
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:26:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] pultusk meteorite slice
Message-ID: <943270.70146.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi all.Well for the first time ever in collecting meteorites,I finally have a very famous witness fall in my collection.I finally got a delayed christmas present.My 72 gram full slice of PULTUSK.I have never had a piece of this,let alone this big.It can be viewed on my website.It is a beaut.Have a great day all.Tucson 3 weeks to go!!!!!
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! chicagometeorites.net/ 


From majbaermann at web.de  Sat Jan  9 15:29:54 2010
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 21:29:54 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] new fall from rich , friday 13 november 2009
References: <783824.47064.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F6F420D7F098421C971D3DB50858C3C7@thinkcentre>

Hi Aziz,

my congratulations to the relentless Moroccan hunters - it seems that they 
finally succeeded again. If we take into consideration that this particular 
mountainous area is pretty difficult for meteorite-hunting, all the more in 
winter, I cannot to otherwise but express my respect.

Please keep us informed.

Best regards,

Matthias B.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "habibi abdelaziz" <azizhabibi at yahoo.com>
To: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:48 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] new fall from rich , friday 13 november 2009


hi all;
well after a long time and a big search , well the nomade s come with first 
meteorite from the rich fall , nzala;

precisely boulmaaaden near ait laabas castle

here is 108.9 gr very fresh look like it has been touched with snow , or 
rain,
very few weathring if we can say not,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/

some black chondrules,
this fall is typical, i can't compare to any other last falls,i mean here it 
doens't look like anyother fall i have seen,
i can guess, but i will let you guess what it is

all the best
aziz
<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#40ffff;" face="comic sans ms">habibi aziz
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
phone. 21235576145
fax.21235576170</font>



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From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  9 15:39:00 2010
From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:39:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
Message-ID: <58C49C4C6F01407B98EF9317777C684F@ET>

Hi Randy,

Wow, that guy cut you down so low you'll have to stand on a nickel to 
micturate on a dime! I don't see how you can look at yourself in the mirror 
in the morning!  LOL!

Did you really spit in his eye?  If not, why not?

Phil Whitmer

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Jim:

Don't pay any attention to anything I say. I'm a narrow-minded,
egocentric fraud.

A few days ago a fellow sent me 32 rocks, all of which he thought
were meteorites. I told him I'd only look at the 3 he thought most
likely to be meteorites. He named three. I looked at them. None
had fusion crusts or regmaglypts. I showed them to a a guy here who
knows more about terrestrial rocks than I do. All three were
volcaniclastic rocks, in our opinion. Maybe one was a terrestrial
breccia. I told the guy what I thought. Here's how he responded.

=========================================================
I'm thinking, that asking a geologist to do the job of a lunar
geochemist, is like sending a carpenter to erect the next World Trade
Center. It is obvious, that you are unable to wrap your mind around
the idea that a discovery such as this could be possible, or even
feasible. It is also apparent, that the potential of this discovery
is not important to you, or to the science. Your attempts to deny,
denounce and destroy this effort has reached, "the end of the trail!"
Having said as much, I will be dismissing you from this case. I
will have the lab results sent to several other, more open-minded &
intelligent lunar geochemists, whom I am in contact with, and who
currently think that such a discovery is not only possible and
feasible, but probable & overdue. This project is deserving of
young, alert, provocative, curious and inquisitive minds, who are
willing to think outside the box. (There are meteorites that are
"Red"!!......check out the latest chat on your local Meteorite chat
room; courtesy of Mike Farmer). I've never known a scientist
wanting, offering or settling for a compromise on a potential
discovery. How egocentric & how terribly absurd!
I do thank you for your efforts, but you are not the "man of
science" I was expecting, or hoping, you would be. It is obvious,
too, that you introduced the specimens to your "terrestrial"
geologist (if there was one you associate with!) with
prejudice. This is not the type of scientific inquiry deserving of a
comment or compliment. Your arguments against these specimens being
meteoritic, should be directed against your own publications and
those of Richard Norton, NASA, JPL, Johnson Space Center, and every
single collection around the globe. I must suspect, that you are in
the game to protect your own precious fusion-crusted relics and the
value of your fraternity's collections. Your professional & personal
integrity are certainly in question, here! I have given you this
potential discovery on a silver platter, but you have chosen to spit
in my eye, as if I was some kind of lowly peon. Never, have I been
treated with such arrogant malice!
I wish you well on your retirement & may it be soon! A fella'
can look at just so many rocks, that he becomes one, himself!
=========================================================

I sure hope this guy finds someone else on The List to insult!

I need to retire,
Randy Korotev





From damoclid at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 17:09:04 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:09:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
In-Reply-To: <201001092012.o09KCjW07270@levee.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <534741.43017.qm@web113617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

No good deed goes unpunished.

--
Richard Kowalski


      


From r.cucchiara at comcast.net  Sat Jan  9 18:51:18 2010
From: r.cucchiara at comcast.net (robert cucchiara)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:51:18 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad- More smaller specimens of the Santa Rosa iron
Message-ID: <95B3F4D0821A4E2888C188FBE4CB8BF4@OfficePC>

Hi List, I have cut down some more smaller specimens of the rare Santa Rosa
iron.  A couple of these have huge graphite inclusions! Read about the Santa
Rosa iron here! http://www.meteoritemadness.com/santarosa.html See all new
specimens on page two. First come! First served! Email orders to
r.cucchiara at comcast.net  All payment method excepted. 
Thank you Bob C.



From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 18:57:08 2010
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (MEM)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:57:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] test again
Message-ID: <394323.69635.qm@web55204.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

SAB


From moritzkarl at t-online.de  Sat Jan  9 19:37:46 2010
From: moritzkarl at t-online.de (Moritz Karl)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:37:46 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending in less than 1 day
Message-ID: <001f01ca918d$217bfaf0$6473f0d0$@de>

Sorry in case this posts twice.

Dear List,

I have 16 auctions ending in approx. 20 hours.
There are a lot of nice items still far below retail value.

Here are some highlights:

- 2.23 gram partslice of Albin pallasite from Wyoming
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477688099

- 0.40 gram partslice of Bencubbin, Australia - Own the namesake for a class
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477689706

- 8.68 gram partslice of the Bondoc Mesosiderite from Philippines
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477690045

- a super thin etched Cape York partslice weighing 13.75 grams - huge
surface area
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477690565

- 0.27 gram partslice of the Dar al Gani 400 lunar meteorite
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477691552

- 17.58 gram partslice of Estherville Mesosiderite - rare meso fall
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477692509

- a beautiful etched Fukang pallasite partslice with a big crystal weighing
9.25 grams 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477692920

- 26.3 gram etched Glorieta Mountain siderite partslice - finished on both
sides
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477695047

- a 7.07 gram etched partslice of the famous Mundrabilla iron with troilite
inclusions
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477695763


All auctions were started at $1.49 and have no reserve price.
See them all here:

http://stores.ebay.com/mos-meteorites (hit "auctions" on the left to see
only the meteorite auctions)

or through my website:

http://www.m3t3orites.com/ebay.php

If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me.
Thank you for viewing and Good Luck to anyone bidding.
Thank you
Kind Regards
Moritz Karl
Germany

Visit mo's meteorites at
http://www.m3t3orites.com



From moritzkarl at t-online.de  Sat Jan  9 19:24:39 2010
From: moritzkarl at t-online.de (Moritz Karl)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:24:39 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending in less than 1 day
Message-ID: <001e01ca918b$4c055520$e40fff60$@de>

Dear List,

I have 16 auctions ending in approx. 20 hours.
There are a lot of nice items still far below retail value.

Here are some highlights:

- 2.23 gram partslice of Albin pallasite from Wyoming
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477688099

- 0.40 gram partslice of Bencubbin, Australia - Own the namesake for a class
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477689706

- 8.68 gram partslice of the Bondoc Mesosiderite from Philippines
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477690045

- a super thin etched Cape York partslice weighing 13.75 grams - huge
surface area
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477690565

- 0.27 gram partslice of the Dar al Gani 400 lunar meteorite
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477691552

- 17.58 gram partslice of Estherville Mesosiderite - rare meso fall
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477692509

- a beautiful etched Fukang pallasite partslice with a big crystal weighing
9.25 grams
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477692920

- 26.3 gram etched Glorieta Mountain siderite partslice - finished on both
sides
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477695047

- a 7.07 gram etched partslice of the famous Mundrabilla iron with troilite
inclusions
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=110477695763


All auctions were started at $1.49 and have no reserve price.
See them all here:

http://stores.ebay.com/mos-meteorites (hit "auctions" on the left to see
only the meteorite auctions)

or through my website:

http://www.m3t3orites.com/ebay.php

If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me.
Thank you for viewing and Good Luck to anyone bidding.
Thank you
Kind Regards
Moritz Karl
Germany

Visit mo's meteorites at
http://www.m3t3orites.com



From John at Cabassi.net  Sat Jan  9 23:58:57 2010
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:58:57 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test
Message-ID: <000501ca91b1$9e5aa520$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2>

Some funky stuff going on. Is anyone else having problems? One of the
messages I got a while back

Your request to the Meteorite-list mailing list
Posting of your message titled "RE: [meteorite-list] Yo"
has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the
following reason for rejecting your request:
"No reason given"
Any questions or comments should be directed to the list administrator
at:
meteorite-list-owner at meteoritecentral.com

Cheers
John
IMCA# 2125



From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Sun Jan 10 04:36:23 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:36:23 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Micro Planet - APOD
Message-ID: <4B499F97.7040102@meteoritesusa.com>

Soooo Cool!

Looks like a tiny planet...

A Spherule from the Earth's Moon
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap100110.html

"...Explanation: How did this spherule come to be on the Moon? When a 
meteorite strikes the Moon, the energy of the impact melts some of the 
splattering rock, a fraction of which might cool into tiny glass beads. 
Many of these glass beads were present in lunar soil samples returned to 
Earth by the Apollo missions. Pictured above is one such glass spherule 
that measures only a quarter of a millimeter across. This spherule is 
particularly interesting because it has been victim to an even smaller 
impact. A miniature crater is visible on the upper left, surrounded by a 
fragmented area caused by the shockwaves of the small impact. By dating 
many of these impacts, astronomers can estimate the history of cratering 
on our Moon..."

Enjoy...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA






From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sun Jan 10 10:22:59 2010
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:22:59 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite photo of the day?????
Message-ID: <8311A7047FF843AF8114F29D703A3597@laptop>

Anybody know what happened to the 
meteorite photo of the day?
Is he sick? Or just swamped at work?
Pete



From paul at meteorite.com  Sun Jan 10 14:41:53 2010
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:41:53 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] January Meteorite-Times Now Up
Message-ID: <4B4A2D81.40203@meteorite.com>

Happy New Year Everyone!

The January issue of Meteorite-Times is now up.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite_frame.htm

Our Tucson Information Page link is near the top of the page and we'll 
be updating it frequently right up till we leave for Tucson. 

To add your information please use the following link:
http://www.meteorite-times.com/tucson/form/index.php

Enjoy!

Paul and Jim





From cdtucson at cox.net  Sat Jan  9 21:25:59 2010
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 21:25:59 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunars
In-Reply-To: <201001092012.o09KCjW07270@levee.wustl.edu>
Message-ID: <20100109212559.GTH5I.520678.imail@fed1rmwml41>

Randy,
You need to tell this guy you are sorry. But, Your title is "Dr". not "God". 
You may have the most important and informative web site on the internet But,
You cannot turn Earth rocks into Meteorites. I don't think he gets that. 
And please don't retire just yet. Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


---- Randy Korotev <korotev at wustl.edu> wrote: 
> At 16:59 08-01-10 Friday, you wrote:
> 
> >Randy, that's what I love about this hobby, it's an ongoing learning 
> >process. Thanks for the links to the lunar meteowrongs, there great.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Jim K
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Jim:
> 
> Don't pay any attention to anything I say.  I'm a narrow-minded, 
> egocentric fraud.
> 
> A few days ago a fellow sent me 32 rocks, all of which he thought 
> were meteorites.  I told him I'd only look at the 3 he thought most 
> likely to be meteorites.  He named three.  I looked at them.  None 
> had fusion crusts or regmaglypts.  I showed them to a a guy here who 
> knows more about terrestrial rocks than I do.  All three were 
> volcaniclastic rocks, in our opinion.  Maybe one was a terrestrial 
> breccia.  I told the guy what I thought.  Here's how he responded.
> 
> =========================================================
> I'm thinking, that asking a geologist to do the job of a lunar 
> geochemist, is like sending a carpenter to erect the next World Trade 
> Center.  It is obvious, that you are unable to wrap your mind around 
> the idea that a discovery such as this could be possible, or even 
> feasible.  It is also apparent, that the potential of this discovery 
> is not important to you, or to the science.  Your attempts to deny, 
> denounce and destroy this effort has reached, "the end of the trail!"
>     Having said as much, I will be dismissing you from this case.  I 
> will have the lab results sent to several other, more open-minded & 
> intelligent lunar geochemists, whom I am in contact with, and who 
> currently think that such a discovery is not only possible and 
> feasible, but probable & overdue.  This project is deserving of 
> young, alert, provocative, curious and inquisitive minds, who are 
> willing to think outside the box.  (There are meteorites that are 
> "Red"!!......check out the latest chat on your local Meteorite chat 
> room; courtesy of Mike Farmer).  I've never known a scientist 
> wanting, offering or settling for a compromise on a potential 
> discovery.  How egocentric & how terribly absurd!
>     I do thank you for your efforts, but you are not the "man of 
> science" I was expecting, or hoping, you would be.  It is obvious, 
> too, that you introduced the specimens to your "terrestrial" 
> geologist (if there was one you associate with!) with 
> prejudice.  This is not the type of scientific inquiry deserving of a 
> comment or compliment.   Your arguments against these specimens being 
> meteoritic, should be directed against your own publications and 
> those of Richard Norton, NASA, JPL, Johnson Space Center, and every 
> single collection around the globe.  I must suspect, that you are in 
> the game to protect your own precious fusion-crusted relics and the 
> value of your fraternity's collections.  Your professional & personal 
> integrity are certainly in question, here!   I have given you this 
> potential discovery on a silver platter, but you have chosen to spit 
> in my eye, as if I was some kind of lowly peon.  Never, have I been 
> treated with such arrogant malice!
>     I wish you well on your retirement & may it be soon!   A fella' 
> can look at just so many rocks, that he becomes one, himself!
> =========================================================
> 
> I sure hope this guy finds someone else on The List to insult!
> 
> I need to retire,
> Randy Korotev
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Sun Jan 10 17:06:52 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:06:52 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] What is a Meteorite Strewnfield? & Meteorite Photos
Message-ID: <4B4A4F7C.8090107@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi listees,

A new article on meteorite strewnfields and how they are formed is 
available on Meteorites USA complete with graphic illustrations, photos, 
and videos.

ARTICLE: What is a meteorite strewnfield?
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-articles/what-is-a-meteorite-strewnfield/

Also, many of you have written in complimenting my meteorite photos, 
telling me how beautiful they are, and asking how to take meteorite 
photos. You guys are now free to browse and enjoy a gallery of meteorite 
photos on my Flickr account. I've uploaded 200 of the best of thousands 
of images available. More to come...

Meteorites USA Flickr Gallery of Meteorite Photos - 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/meteoritesusa/ (photos are free to use with 
credit to Meteorites USA)
Meteorites USA Gallery Slideshow: 
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-photos/

If you're a website owner with related content you're free to use the 
meteorite images on your sites and in print publications for free under 
the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license. 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Credit should read 
"Meteorites USA Meteorite Photo Collection"

Thank you all for your participation and comments. Suggestions and 
critiques are welcome whether public or private. Thanks and enjoy.

Have fun and enjoy.

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
www.meteoritesusa.com


From schoner at mybluelight.com  Sun Jan 10 17:06:30 2010
From: schoner at mybluelight.com (Steve Schoner)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:06:30 GMT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Micro Planet - APOD
Message-ID: <20100110.150630.14664.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com>

Upon examining lunar dust on my Terry Slezac Apollo 11 dust tape, I notice that these beads get progressively smaller and more numerous.   Many are much smaller than the one shown in this photo. 

It has been noted that solar wind creates an electrical charge on the lunar surface, and hence dust becomes levitated to float above the surface by electrostatic action.   But the finer particles could be accelerated by solar wind to leave the moon.    Also, more importantly are meteoroid impacts that create these spheres.  

Certainly they must be ejected into space.

Now I wonder how much of that lunar dust reaches the earth in the form of "cosmic dust."   This dust does not burn up but is so small that slows at very high altitude and then drifts down.   There has to be a significant percentage of lunar dust in so called "cosmic dust."

I wonder if anyone has explored the possibility of such?

Steve Schoner
IMCA #4470

Message: 13
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:36:23 -0800
From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Micro Planet - APOD
To: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <4B499F97.7040102 at meteoritesusa.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Soooo Cool!

Looks like a tiny planet...

A Spherule from the Earth's Moon
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap100110.html

"...Explanation: How did this spherule come to be on the Moon? When a 
meteorite strikes the Moon, the energy of the impact melts some of the 
splattering rock, a fraction of which might cool into tiny glass beads. 
Many of these glass beads were present in lunar soil samples returned to 
Earth by the Apollo missions. Pictured above is one such glass spherule 
that measures only a quarter of a millimeter across. This spherule is 
particularly interesting because it has been victim to an even smaller 
impact. A miniature crater is visible on the upper left, surrounded by a 
fragmented area caused by the shockwaves of the small impact. By dating 
many of these impacts, astronomers can estimate the history of cratering 
on our Moon..."

Enjoy...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA



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From STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com  Sun Jan 10 18:55:23 2010
From: STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com (STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:55:23 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] What is a Meteorite Strewnfield? & Meteorite
	Photos
Message-ID: <d51.63bba28e.387bc2eb@aol.com>


Great informative and fun  article.  I saved the link to my favorites so I 
can share it with  others.  My micrographs often draw questions from new 
meteorite enthusiasts  that I find difficult to answer.  The nature of a strewn 
field is something  that must be understood to successfully hunt meteorites.

Thanks  Eric!     Tom

In a message dated 1/10/2010 3:06:58  P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
eric at meteoritesusa.com writes:
Hi  listees,

A new article on meteorite strewnfields and how they are formed  is 
available on Meteorites USA complete with graphic illustrations, photos,  
and videos.

ARTICLE: What is a meteorite  strewnfield?
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-articles/what-is-a-meteorite-strewnfi
eld/

Also,  many of you have written in complimenting my meteorite photos, 
telling me  how beautiful they are, and asking how to take meteorite 
photos. You guys  are now free to browse and enjoy a gallery of meteorite 
photos on my Flickr  account. I've uploaded 200 of the best of thousands 
of images available.  More to come...

Meteorites USA Flickr Gallery of Meteorite Photos -  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/meteoritesusa/ (photos are free to use with  
credit to Meteorites USA)
Meteorites USA Gallery Slideshow:  
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-photos/

If you're a website  owner with related content you're free to use the 
meteorite images on your  sites and in print publications for free under 
the Creative Commons  Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license.  
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Credit should read  
"Meteorites USA Meteorite Photo Collection"

Thank you all for your  participation and comments. Suggestions and 
critiques are welcome whether  public or private. Thanks and enjoy.

Have fun and  enjoy.

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites  USA
www.meteoritesusa.com
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From nakhladog at comcast.net  Sun Jan 10 20:27:20 2010
From: nakhladog at comcast.net (Rob Wesel)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:27:20 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] What is a Meteorite Strewnfield? & Meteorite
	Photos
References: <4B4A4F7C.8090107@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <5784038973A94CE39002ABC743122751@windows9bb74fe>

Excellent Eric

Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/nakhladog
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:06 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] What is a Meteorite Strewnfield? & Meteorite 
Photos


> Hi listees,
>
> A new article on meteorite strewnfields and how they are formed is 
> available on Meteorites USA complete with graphic illustrations, photos, 
> and videos.
>
> ARTICLE: What is a meteorite strewnfield?
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-articles/what-is-a-meteorite-strewnfield/
>
> Also, many of you have written in complimenting my meteorite photos, 
> telling me how beautiful they are, and asking how to take meteorite 
> photos. You guys are now free to browse and enjoy a gallery of meteorite 
> photos on my Flickr account. I've uploaded 200 of the best of thousands of 
> images available. More to come...
>
> Meteorites USA Flickr Gallery of Meteorite Photos - 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/meteoritesusa/ (photos are free to use with 
> credit to Meteorites USA)
> Meteorites USA Gallery Slideshow: 
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-photos/
>
> If you're a website owner with related content you're free to use the 
> meteorite images on your sites and in print publications for free under 
> the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license. 
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Credit should read 
> "Meteorites USA Meteorite Photo Collection"
>
> Thank you all for your participation and comments. Suggestions and 
> critiques are welcome whether public or private. Thanks and enjoy.
>
> Have fun and enjoy.
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Sun Jan 10 21:16:07 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:16:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Martian Meteorites Triple Evidence for Mars
	Life
Message-ID: <201001110216.o0B2G7b7003395@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1001/09marslife/

Three Martian meteorites triple evidence for Mars life
BY CRAIG COVAULT
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
January 9, 2010

The team that found evidence of Martian life in a meteorite that landed
in Antarctica believes that during 2010, by using advanced
instrumentation on now three Martian meteorites, it will be able to
definitively prove whether such features are truly fossils of alien life
on the Red Planet.

This new information goes well beyond the updated findings released by
NASA in November 2009 about signatures for magnetic type bacteria.

"We do not yet believe that we have rigorously proven there is [or was ]
life on Mars." says David S. McKay, chief of astrobiology at the NASA
Johnson Space Center.

"But we do believe that we are very, very close to proving there is or
has been life there," McKay tells Spaceflight Now.

"The possibility of life on Mars has become a scientific issue of
profound importance and great public interest," Michael Meyer, the NASA
Headquarters senior scientist for Mars exploration, told an audience of
several hundred scientists at the recent American Geophysical Union
meeting in San Francisco.

And in a 2009 editorial, The Economist, a highly regarded British
publication, also noted the explosion of both public and scientific
interest in Mars saying "the possibility of life on Mars is too
thrilling for mankind to ignore."

In the mid-1990s, when the JSC team found what it interprets as Martian
fossils inside a meteorite that landed near Allen Hills in Antarctica,
it was the only example at the time of suspected fossils in a meteorite
from Mars.

The team, however, believes it has since tripled its fossil-like data by
finding more "biomorphs" (suspected Martian fossils) inside two
additional Martian meteorites, as well as more evidence at other spots
in the Allen Hills meteorite itself.

Remarkably, some of the most striking new evidence for life on Mars is
being found inside in a meteorite that has been sitting in the British
Museum of Natural History in London for nearly 100 years, says McKay.

Had British researchers examined their "Nakhla" meteorite with readily
available electron microscopes and other tools like those used by the
U.S. team, the new evidence for life on Mars could have been a British
discovery, rather than an American one.

The Houston-based scientists believe the age spread of their data, from
3.6 billion to 1.4 billion years ago, shows that a planet-wide network
of micro-organisms came to life underground on Mars 3.6 billion years
ago during the first billion years after Mars had formed along with the
rest of the planets in the solar system.

Mars was much warmer and wetter with a much thicker atmosphere then.
Simple life forms were beginning to form on Earth at about the same time.

Scientists are able to tell that the meteorites came from Mars by
measuring the noble gases trapped in the rocks and also by their
geologic character. The noble gas ratios measured to determine Martian
origin are helium, neon, argon, krypton, xenon and radon.

The twin Viking landers of the mid-1970s measured Martian surface gas
compositions in great detail, and the now more than 80 meteorites have
been found and designated as being from Mars.

They all have internal gas compositions that match the Viking lander
data, as well as Mars rock compositions measured by spacecraft at the
planet.

"Similar biological type findings in three different meteorites that
also correlate well with ancient Earth organisms considerably broaden
the evidence for at least past life on Mars," says geologist Everett K.
Gibson, co-leader with McKay and Kathie Thomas-Keprta on the JSC Mars
life study team.

According to the JSC team, the three Martian meteorites with the
apparent fossil signatures include what appear to be mats of bacteria
and specific other biological signatures that are common to all three
meteorites.

They are also highly similar to undisputed micro-fossil life of ancient
organisms found in Earth's rocks like Columbia river basalts in
Washington state.

In its November update, the Mars team said that for more than a decade
after the Martian meteorite data were first presented in 1996, opponents
of the life theory argued that fossil-shaped features and associated
chemical purity was just as likely caused by the thermal/shock event
that blasted the material off Mars in the first place.

But new research led by Thomas-Keprta of the Allen Hills team in Houston
has now proven the thermal theory is invalid. She says that finding
strengthens the team's argument that uniquely-shaped "magnetic bacteria"
features found in the meteorite were indeed formed by biologic activity
on Mars and not some non-biologic thermal event.

The new information from the team here goes well beyond the magnetic
bacteria that dominated the NASA November release. McKay and co-leader
of the Mars life team, JSC geologist Everett K. Gibson, have since
provided Spaceflight Now with much more detail on two other major areas
that will be the focus of more verification work starting this year.

Noted astronomer the late Carl Sagan often said "extraordinary claims
require extraordinary evidence," and the Johnson Space Center Mars life
team believe they now have, or by year's end will have, such evidence.

The two new areas involve:

o More advanced instruments: Powerful analysis hardware that was
unavailable or less capable when the Mars meteorite life analysis began
in 1994 is about to be used on the samples in all three meteorites. This
includes more capable High Resolution Electron Microscopy tools and a
major new tool -- an Ion Microprobe analysis system.

The Microprobe system will fire a focused stream of ions onto the
biomorph/micro-fossil samples. The ions will flash the sample into
plasma containing multiple constituents. A powerful spectrometer will
then suck that in and out the other side read out constituents of each
sample down to parts per billion level for each chemical or mineral
constituent. Those ratios will then be used to determine whether the
feature has its origin in non-living Martian geology or something
biologic that was previously life on Mars.

The new ion microprobe system should also provide the team with even
higher optical resolution than the electron microscopes they have been
using while also adding a major new chemical analysis dimension, says
McKay.

o Triple the meteorite samples: The JSC team is finding more micro-fossil
evidence of life in the Allen Hills meteorite discovered in 1984 that in
1996 provided initial evidence of Martian life.

The team calculates that the Allen Hills meteorite is made of
4-billion-year-old Martian rock carrying fossil evidence of life dating
back to 3.6 billion years.

This is an extremely old sample not comparable to anything on Earth
today because all of Earth's crust has been processed and reprocessed as
part of Earth's plate tectonics. The sample is already proving the
presence of water on Mars back to its early days as a planet. If the
fossil evidence is confirmed, it will prove that organisms existed on
the planet within about 1 billion years of its formation.

After the initial Allen Hills announcement made in 1996 with President
Bill Clinton, the Houston team began to search for similar life examples
in other meteorites from Mars. And they found that evidence in the
already famous Nakhla meteorite that fell near the town of Nakhla,
Egypt, in 1911. Nakhla fell in about 40 pieces weighing about 20 lb. total.

The largest sample set from that meteorite has been in the British
Natural History Museum in London and virtually all of several pieces of
Nakhla, which put on a spectacular show of flaming debris, smoke trails
and sonic booms when it arrived at about 9 a.m. local time in the Nakhla
region of Egypt south of Cairo.

A local farmer claimed that one piece struck and killed a dog. But
scientists believe the story was dreamed up by the land owner at the
time seeking to boost prices for buyers seeking to purchase pieces.

Then in 2000 a Japanese search team found another meteorite from Mars in
Antarctica. It is designated Yamato 593 and also contains signs of
fossil life similar to that seen in the Allen Hills and Nakhla
meteorites. Both the Nakhla and Yamato life forms date to only about 1.4
billion years old, if it can be proved more definitively.

The new evidence for life on Mars is being substantially increased by
the discovery of such potential Martian fossils in additional meteorites
beyond the original meteorite discovered in 1984 at Allen Hills
Antarctica, says McKay.

Answering whether life, even single-celled organisms, formed on another
planet is one of the most profound questions in modern science,
especially if the answer is positive.

If that can be verified soon, it will also play a major role in Mars
space mission operational decisions and the formation of new exploration
policy by NASA and the White House. Examples are:

o More focused Mars life strategy: NASA's original strategy was to "follow
the water" then shift to a strategy of "follow the carbon." The strategy
now, however, has been changed again and the new motto pulls no punches.
It now simply reads "find direct evidence for seeking out life," says
Meyer. That role will first fall to the Mars Science Laboratory rover
undergoing final assembly for launch in September 2011.

o Next rover site selection: The Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) rover,
named Curiosity and planned for launch in September 2011, will be
specifically targeted for landing at a carbonate-rich site. It will be
equipped to specifically look for Martian life as well as habitable
areas for Martian organisms. MSL will be NASA's first dedicated
astrobiology mission to Mars since the two Viking landers in 1976. Data
from the meteorites will be very important in the analysis of MSL
life-related findings, Gibson says.

o Life's role in the solar system: If the meteorites' biomorphs prove to
be true fossils of Martian life, the data will play a huge role in the
assessments for life elsewhere in the solar system, such as in the
ice-covered oceans of Jupiter's moon Europa. NASA plans to launch in
2020 a major new outer planets spacecraft -- the new Europa Jupiter
System Mission -- to orbit Europa and assess the potential for life there.

o Life's role in the Milky Way: Positive life determinations from the
three meteorites would play a role in the assessment of life on
Earth-like planets in the galaxy being sought out by the new Kepler
observatory spacecraft that has already discovered five Jupiter-size
planets in orbit around distant stars.

o Broader study of carbonates: McKay says that all three of the meteorites
contain substantial carbonate rock where the apparent fossils are
located. Neither rover on the Martian surface has been able to study
carbonate rock. If Opportunity can last another year, it will reach
Endeavour crater, where such high priority carbonate rock is assessable.

o Rover Opportunity drive strategy: The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO)
spacecraft has found clay-bearing rocks lying directly in the path ahead
for the Mars rover Opportunity. It will reach its 6th anniversary on
Mars on January 24th and is driving dozens of feet each day toward
Endeavour crater that is surrounded by carbonate-rich rock types like
that holding fossils in the meteorites. If it can survive another year
to drive the final 7-8 mi. to Endeavour crater, the rover will be able
to image and analyze this totally new rock type never visited by a rover
before. As a carbonate like that in the meteorites, the area ahead of
Oppy could have provided a wet, warm, and non-acidic habitat for the
formation of life on Mars, Steve Squyres, rover principal investigator,
tells Spaceflight Now.

"Even though we do not think the Endeavour crater is where these
meteorites came from on Mars, any information that Opportunity could
provide on the layering of similar carbonate rocks would be very useful
to us," said Gibson.

The other rover, Spirit, marked its 6th anniversary on Jan. 4, but NASA
is resigned to declaring Spirit's roving days are over where it has been
stuck since April in water and volcanically altered soils near the
equator on the opposite side of Mars from Opportunity. Given Spirit is
stuck for good, the science team is now preparing a detailed stationary
spacecraft science program for Spirit but may try and run and steer its
stuck wheels even deeper to tilt its solar array deck more toward the
sun so the spacecraft can survive at least one more winter on Mars.

Analysis of the Allen Hills, Nakhla and Yamato meteorites show the rock
was blasted from depths as shallow as one-half mile and as deep as four
miles. This puts them directly in the subsurface water table of Mars,
Gibson said.

Maria Zuber, who heads MIT's Department of Earth, Atmospheric and
Planetary Science addressed the latest Mars water data this week at the
American Astronomical Society meeting in Washington, D.C.

"Recent observations of Mars from orbiting and landed spacecraft have
dramatically changed our understanding of the distribution and amount of
water at and beneath the surface throughout the planet's history," says
Zuber.

"There is definitive evidence for a watery past, including standing
water on the surface, during Mars' early history, and the details of the
global hydrological cycle, groundwater upwelling and aqueous chemistry
have been elucidated.

"There is evidence that much past surface water is currently stored in
the upper crust in the planet's impact-generated regolith," she says.
"And present-day Mars contains abundant water ice within a meter of the
surface," says Zuber.

The "biomorph" features discovered in the Yamato 593 meteorite look
identical to those found inside the Allen Hills and Nakhla meteorites
says McKay.

Those Martian samples are also contained along with a mineral substrate
called Iddingsite. In such material, the presence of carbonate is a
giveaway for what on Mars would have been an underground aquifer with
substantial water to generate this type of sample, McKay tells
Spaceflight Now.

The Iddingsite deposits continue to form and change the longer water
flows through the rock providing additional evidence about the life
forms that create tiny biomorphs -- the early stage for fossils that are
most abundant with Iddingsite.

Not only is there now abundant evidence for underground Mars life, the
Japanese Yamato and Egyptian Nakhla samples, as well as increased
samples of apparent fossils, look identical to samples in the Allen
Hills meteorite.

"Every biologist that I have shown these new Nakhlite and Yamato
pictures to agree that they are microbial remains and fossils," McKay says.

And all of them look very similar or identical to the Earth fossil life
examples found in Columbia River basalts in Washington State.

The Martian samples have been recovered from Martian depths ranging from
an estimated one-half mile below the surface to as much as about 4 miles
deep.

Allen Hills team members tell Spaceflight Now that this is especially
fortuitous because many assessments about where Mars life would most
likely survive is underground, out of reach from solar radiation and
where aquifers most likely exist to hold life-giving water.

This is also because those depths match assessments on where the
underground Martian water table would have been the most active. Many
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and Mars Global Surveyor images show what
appear to be discharges of water from canyon and crater walls.

That data was summarized initially before the Society of Photo-Optical
Instrumentation Engineers.

NASA rolled out the findings again in greater depth before the American
Geophysical Union Meeting last week in San Francisco. That meeting was
attended by 16,000 international scientists and managers who work in the
field of geology, geophysics and other exploration related fields.

Some of the data described here was prepared by McKay initially for
presentation to the Society of Photo-Optical Instrumentation Engineers.

"The biomorphs in these last two meteorites are nearly identical,
supporting our hypothesis that they formed on Mars," McKay told
Spaceflight Now.

He also noted that the similarity of the biomorph features across the
three main Mars meteorite samples also argues against contamination by
material that instead may have formed on Earth.

And Nakhla also scores big when it comes to "following the carbon."

"We see considerable carbon in Nakhla," says McKay.

He cited the work of University of Arizona geoscientist Dr. A.J. Timothy
Jull, who has shown that at least 70 percent of the carbon in Nakhla is
not from Earth but had to come from Mars.

The new Martian life evidence has come to light just as President Barack
Obama is examining increased funding for NASA.

That federal budget decision is being made in the wake of presidential
review commission findings that the agency needs at least $3 billion
more annually to develop new launchers and spacecraft that would both
replace the space shuttle and send astronauts beyond Earth orbit with
Mars the ultimate destination before mid-century.

That Mars is the ultimate destination is pretty clear in the report by a
team headed by Norm Augustine, former CEO of Lockheed Martin. But how to
go about it remains the bigger unanswered question.

Independent researchers in New Mexico and Hawaii say images and
geochemical data from MRO and the European Space Agency Mars Express
orbiter indicate that the Allen Hills meteorite was blasted out of the
southern end of the vast Valles Marineris in a canyon at a junction
called Eos Chasma.

In a striking coincidence, this location believed the source for the
first meteorite found to carry evidence of Mars life to Earth is fed
directly by a channel named after the late "Orson Welles."

In 1938 he panicked the entire U.S. with his Halloween radio news
bulletin broadcast of H.G. Wells fiction "War of the Worlds" about the
first Martian landing in New Jersey.

This is the second of a pair of articles updating the analysis of
evidence for life on Mars carried to Earth in meteorites. The first
appeared in Spaceflight Now on Nov. 24, 2009.




From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 21:46:49 2010
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:46:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re :  new fall from rich , friday 13 november 2009
In-Reply-To: <F6F420D7F098421C971D3DB50858C3C7@thinkcentre>
References: <783824.47064.qm@web62003.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<F6F420D7F098421C971D3DB50858C3C7@thinkcentre>
Message-ID: <733382.25450.qm@web62007.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

thanks mathias,
i hope they will find more later for now ,snow in this place is dangerous,
so the stone are under snow we ill have to wait,

but we were lucky to get this first stone as a sample, 
thanks
aziz

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----- Message d'origine ----
De : Matthias B?rmann <majbaermann at web.de>
? : habibi abdelaziz <azizhabibi at yahoo.com>; meteorite list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Envoy? le : Sam 9 Janvier 2010, 20 h 29 min 54 s
Objet?: Re: [meteorite-list] new fall from rich , friday 13 november 2009

Hi Aziz,

my congratulations to the relentless Moroccan hunters - it seems that they finally succeeded again. If we take into consideration that this particular mountainous area is pretty difficult for meteorite-hunting, all the more in winter, I cannot to otherwise but express my respect.

Please keep us informed.

Best regards,

Matthias B.


----- Original Message ----- From: "habibi abdelaziz" <azizhabibi at yahoo.com>
To: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:48 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] new fall from rich , friday 13 november 2009


hi all;
well after a long time and a big search , well the nomade s come with first meteorite from the rich fall , nzala;

precisely boulmaaaden near ait laabas castle

here is 108.9 gr very fresh look like it has been touched with snow , or rain,
very few weathring if we can say not,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/

some black chondrules,
this fall is typical, i can't compare to any other last falls,i mean here it doens't look like anyother fall i have seen,
i can guess, but i will let you guess what it is

all the best
aziz
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box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
phone. 21235576145
fax.21235576170</font>



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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Sun Jan 10 21:51:10 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:51:10 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] What is a Meteorite Strewnfield? & Meteorite
 Photos
In-Reply-To: <d51.63bba28e.387bc2eb@aol.com>
References: <d51.63bba28e.387bc2eb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B4A921E.8090501@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Tom,

Thank you very much. I really appreciate the kind words. I'm glad you 
enjoyed the article and thanks for adding it to your favorites.

Understanding meteorite strewnfields is very important in recovering 
meteorites and what better way to explain what they are than to give 
people a minds eye view through graphic illustrations. Visualization of 
how meteorites are dispersed across a strewnfield area helps. Plus 
people just like eye candy!

Your microscopic meteorite photos are truly cosmic art Tom, and may 
everyone have the privilege of viewing it.

Keep up the great work!

Regards,
Eric


On 1/10/2010 3:55 PM, STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com wrote:
> Great informative and fun  article.  I saved the link to my favorites so I
> can share it with  others.  My micrographs often draw questions from new
> meteorite enthusiasts  that I find difficult to answer.  The nature of a strewn
> field is something  that must be understood to successfully hunt meteorites.
>
> Thanks  Eric!     Tom
>
> In a message dated 1/10/2010 3:06:58  P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> eric at meteoritesusa.com writes:
> Hi  listees,
>
> A new article on meteorite strewnfields and how they are formed  is
> available on Meteorites USA complete with graphic illustrations, photos,
> and videos.
>
> ARTICLE: What is a meteorite  strewnfield?
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-articles/what-is-a-meteorite-strewnfi
> eld/
>
> Also,  many of you have written in complimenting my meteorite photos,
> telling me  how beautiful they are, and asking how to take meteorite
> photos. You guys  are now free to browse and enjoy a gallery of meteorite
> photos on my Flickr  account. I've uploaded 200 of the best of thousands
> of images available.  More to come...
>
> Meteorites USA Flickr Gallery of Meteorite Photos -
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/meteoritesusa/ (photos are free to use with
> credit to Meteorites USA)
> Meteorites USA Gallery Slideshow:
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-photos/
>
> If you're a website  owner with related content you're free to use the
> meteorite images on your  sites and in print publications for free under
> the Creative Commons  Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license.
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Credit should read
> "Meteorites USA Meteorite Photo Collection"
>
> Thank you all for your  participation and comments. Suggestions and
> critiques are welcome whether  public or private. Thanks and enjoy.
>
> Have fun and  enjoy.
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites  USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From info at meteorites.com.au  Mon Jan 11 07:38:26 2010
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:38:26 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
In-Reply-To: <A6E09F788521466389B23003E056DDDB@windows9bb74fe>
References: <10dac.4d6f210b.3861c272@aol.com><932225.23333.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<A6E09F788521466389B23003E056DDDB@windows9bb74fe>
Message-ID: <F2F1EF81BCDD4638A8602A07411E127B@JeffPC>

Thanks Rob. :-)

For anyone who might have been considering it or had not got around to 
ordering one... I have only 6 left available through my website.

http://www.scalecubes.com/

At this point in time I do not have any immediate plans to produce another 
batch due to the inherent difficulties of producing this type of cube. 
Please email me off list if you have any queries.

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Wesel" <nakhladog at comcast.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com


> It's the only cube I keep IN the display cabinet.
>
> Excellent execution Mr. Kuyken.
>
> Rob Wesel
> www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> www.facebook.com/nakhladog
> ------------------
> We are the music makers...
> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> Willy Wonka, 1971
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John higgins" <geohiggins at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
>
>
>> Mine came in  yesterday!
>>
>> Must say they truly are amazing Jeff!
>> Really great, can't believe how heavy they are, and the letters are so 
>> clean a crisp, I highly recommend them to everybody!
>> Whats really cool about them is that they have just the slightest 
>> magnetic field with north and south poles.
>> Thank you so much for providing the meteorite community with these 
>> excellent, affordable tools and collectible ones at that!
>>
>> Have a Great Day!
>> John Higgins
>> IMCA # 9822
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: "starsandscopes at aol.com" <starsandscopes at aol.com>
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 1:34:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Me to,  Mine came in the mail today as  well.
>>
>> A measure of it's "Cool Factor" is how long it takes me to put it  on a
>> microscope (My personal highest form of compliment)  The shots are  just 
>> taken
>> through a stereo scope but it nicely shows off the crisp  detail.
>>
>> Very nice Jeff!  Well done!  This will be the last  scale cube I will 
>> ever
>> need.
>>
>> Email me for some shots of the  cube!
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> In a message dated 12/21/2009 11:28:10 P.M. Mountain  Standard Time,
>> scientificlifestyle at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> Hello to the List,
>>
>> 'Just received my scale cube today as well. This is a very impressive 
>> bit
>> of work!
>>
>> The markings are very crisp.
>>
>> This makes my desert  meteorite hunting withdrawals even worse.....
>>
>> Pining for the Playa,
>> Pat
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> Date: Mon, 21 Dec  2009 16:10:25 -0800
>>> From: damoclid at yahoo.com
>>> To:  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]  Scalecubes.com
>>>
>>> The mail service was a little slow, taking two  weeks for my cubes to
>> arrive, but today arrive they did.
>>> I notice Jeff's  site shows these are almost sold out, so I'd like to 
>>> add
>> my voice to the chorus  and recommend that all who are considering
>> purchasing one or more of these fine  cubes, do so asap!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Kowalski
>>> IMCA  #1081
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From info at meteorites.com.au  Mon Jan 11 09:43:03 2010
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:43:03 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
In-Reply-To: <F2F1EF81BCDD4638A8602A07411E127B@JeffPC>
References: <10dac.4d6f210b.3861c272@aol.com><932225.23333.qm@web63205.mail.re1.yahoo.com><A6E09F788521466389B23003E056DDDB@windows9bb74fe>
	<F2F1EF81BCDD4638A8602A07411E127B@JeffPC>
Message-ID: <821B32A17DF54B6A83EABAF968E4C890@JeffPC>

Sold out folks.

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Kuyken" <info at meteorites.com.au>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com


> Thanks Rob. :-)
>
> For anyone who might have been considering it or had not got around to 
> ordering one... I have only 6 left available through my website.
>
> http://www.scalecubes.com/
>
> At this point in time I do not have any immediate plans to produce another 
> batch due to the inherent difficulties of producing this type of cube. 
> Please email me off list if you have any queries.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff Kuyken
> Meteorites Australia
> www.meteorites.com.au
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob Wesel" <nakhladog at comcast.net>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
>
>
>> It's the only cube I keep IN the display cabinet.
>>
>> Excellent execution Mr. Kuyken.
>>
>> Rob Wesel
>> www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
>> www.facebook.com/nakhladog
>> ------------------
>> We are the music makers...
>> and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
>> Willy Wonka, 1971
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "John higgins" <geohiggins at yahoo.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
>>
>>
>>> Mine came in  yesterday!
>>>
>>> Must say they truly are amazing Jeff!
>>> Really great, can't believe how heavy they are, and the letters are so 
>>> clean a crisp, I highly recommend them to everybody!
>>> Whats really cool about them is that they have just the slightest 
>>> magnetic field with north and south poles.
>>> Thank you so much for providing the meteorite community with these 
>>> excellent, affordable tools and collectible ones at that!
>>>
>>> Have a Great Day!
>>> John Higgins
>>> IMCA # 9822
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: "starsandscopes at aol.com" <starsandscopes at aol.com>
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 1:34:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Me to,  Mine came in the mail today as  well.
>>>
>>> A measure of it's "Cool Factor" is how long it takes me to put it  on a
>>> microscope (My personal highest form of compliment)  The shots are  just 
>>> taken
>>> through a stereo scope but it nicely shows off the crisp  detail.
>>>
>>> Very nice Jeff!  Well done!  This will be the last  scale cube I will 
>>> ever
>>> need.
>>>
>>> Email me for some shots of the  cube!
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> In a message dated 12/21/2009 11:28:10 P.M. Mountain  Standard Time,
>>> scientificlifestyle at hotmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> Hello to the List,
>>>
>>> 'Just received my scale cube today as well. This is a very impressive 
>>> bit
>>> of work!
>>>
>>> The markings are very crisp.
>>>
>>> This makes my desert  meteorite hunting withdrawals even worse.....
>>>
>>> Pining for the Playa,
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>> Date: Mon, 21 Dec  2009 16:10:25 -0800
>>>> From: damoclid at yahoo.com
>>>> To:  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]  Scalecubes.com
>>>>
>>>> The mail service was a little slow, taking two  weeks for my cubes to
>>> arrive, but today arrive they did.
>>>> I notice Jeff's  site shows these are almost sold out, so I'd like to 
>>>> add
>>> my voice to the chorus  and recommend that all who are considering
>>> purchasing one or more of these fine  cubes, do so asap!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Richard Kowalski
>>>> IMCA  #1081
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  ______________________________________________
>>>>  http://www.meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>>>  Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>  http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
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From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 10:54:01 2010
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:54:01 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] What is a Meteorite Strewnfield? & Meteorite
	Photos
In-Reply-To: <4B4A4F7C.8090107@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <4B4A4F7C.8090107@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <468bf6051001110754x2601dbd0g74f973f8fed6a8fb@mail.gmail.com>

Very well done Eric.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:
> Hi listees,
>
> A new article on meteorite strewnfields and how they are formed is available
> on Meteorites USA complete with graphic illustrations, photos, and videos.
>
> ARTICLE: What is a meteorite strewnfield?
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-articles/what-is-a-meteorite-strewnfield/
>
> Also, many of you have written in complimenting my meteorite photos, telling
> me how beautiful they are, and asking how to take meteorite photos. You guys
> are now free to browse and enjoy a gallery of meteorite photos on my Flickr
> account. I've uploaded 200 of the best of thousands of images available.
> More to come...
>
> Meteorites USA Flickr Gallery of Meteorite Photos -
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/meteoritesusa/ (photos are free to use with
> credit to Meteorites USA)
> Meteorites USA Gallery Slideshow:
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-photos/
>
> If you're a website owner with related content you're free to use the
> meteorite images on your sites and in print publications for free under the
> Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license.
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Credit should read
> "Meteorites USA Meteorite Photo Collection"
>
> Thank you all for your participation and comments. Suggestions and critiques
> are welcome whether public or private. Thanks and enjoy.
>
> Have fun and enjoy.
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 11:59:08 2010
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:59:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Martian fossils
Message-ID: <119022.34754.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Ron, all - 

Each find of new martian fossils raises the possibility of hazard from back contamination, making it necessary for extensive robotic exploration of Mars to be undertaken BEFORE any manned flight to "the ultimate destination". 

This exploration will require fully autonomous rovers just to cover the requited distances. As I happen to know where this technology may be obtained, contact me off list, and bring your checkbook. 

May I suggest that the time needed for these necessary robotic explorations of Mars could well be used to deal with the impact hazard, and build on the Moon the best asteroid and comet detection systems and to obtain more data on their composition?

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
(really pretty much a landmark book)


      


From aerubin at ucla.edu  Mon Jan 11 12:06:43 2010
From: aerubin at ucla.edu (Alan Rubin)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:06:43 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Martian Meteorites Triple Evidence for
	MarsLife
References: <201001110216.o0B2G7b7003395@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <DC91CD5967434DA182A9C0857A55F096@SINOITE>

I found that Dave McKay's recent quote that "we do believe that we are very, 
very close to proving there is or has been life (on Mars)" is analogous to 
that of Percival Lowell when he founded his observatory in Flagstaff, 
Arizona in 1894.  Lowell said that the purpose of the observatory was to 
undertake "an investigatioon into the condition of life in other worlds 
including...their habitability by beings like or unlike man."  He went on to 
say that there was "strong reason to believe that we are on the eve of 
pretty definite discovery in the matter."


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 6:16 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Martian Meteorites Triple Evidence for 
MarsLife


>
> http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1001/09marslife/
>
> Three Martian meteorites triple evidence for Mars life
> BY CRAIG COVAULT
> SPACEFLIGHT NOW
> January 9, 2010
>
> The team that found evidence of Martian life in a meteorite that landed
> in Antarctica believes that during 2010, by using advanced
> instrumentation on now three Martian meteorites, it will be able to
> definitively prove whether such features are truly fossils of alien life
> on the Red Planet.
>
> This new information goes well beyond the updated findings released by
> NASA in November 2009 about signatures for magnetic type bacteria.
>
> "We do not yet believe that we have rigorously proven there is [or was ]
> life on Mars." says David S. McKay, chief of astrobiology at the NASA
> Johnson Space Center.
>
> "But we do believe that we are very, very close to proving there is or
> has been life there," McKay tells Spaceflight Now.
>
> "The possibility of life on Mars has become a scientific issue of
> profound importance and great public interest," Michael Meyer, the NASA
> Headquarters senior scientist for Mars exploration, told an audience of
> several hundred scientists at the recent American Geophysical Union
> meeting in San Francisco.
>
> And in a 2009 editorial, The Economist, a highly regarded British
> publication, also noted the explosion of both public and scientific
> interest in Mars saying "the possibility of life on Mars is too
> thrilling for mankind to ignore."
>
> In the mid-1990s, when the JSC team found what it interprets as Martian
> fossils inside a meteorite that landed near Allen Hills in Antarctica,
> it was the only example at the time of suspected fossils in a meteorite
> from Mars.
>
> The team, however, believes it has since tripled its fossil-like data by
> finding more "biomorphs" (suspected Martian fossils) inside two
> additional Martian meteorites, as well as more evidence at other spots
> in the Allen Hills meteorite itself.
>
> Remarkably, some of the most striking new evidence for life on Mars is
> being found inside in a meteorite that has been sitting in the British
> Museum of Natural History in London for nearly 100 years, says McKay.
>
> Had British researchers examined their "Nakhla" meteorite with readily
> available electron microscopes and other tools like those used by the
> U.S. team, the new evidence for life on Mars could have been a British
> discovery, rather than an American one.
>
> The Houston-based scientists believe the age spread of their data, from
> 3.6 billion to 1.4 billion years ago, shows that a planet-wide network
> of micro-organisms came to life underground on Mars 3.6 billion years
> ago during the first billion years after Mars had formed along with the
> rest of the planets in the solar system.
>
> Mars was much warmer and wetter with a much thicker atmosphere then.
> Simple life forms were beginning to form on Earth at about the same time.
>
> Scientists are able to tell that the meteorites came from Mars by
> measuring the noble gases trapped in the rocks and also by their
> geologic character. The noble gas ratios measured to determine Martian
> origin are helium, neon, argon, krypton, xenon and radon.
>
> The twin Viking landers of the mid-1970s measured Martian surface gas
> compositions in great detail, and the now more than 80 meteorites have
> been found and designated as being from Mars.
>
> They all have internal gas compositions that match the Viking lander
> data, as well as Mars rock compositions measured by spacecraft at the
> planet.
>
> "Similar biological type findings in three different meteorites that
> also correlate well with ancient Earth organisms considerably broaden
> the evidence for at least past life on Mars," says geologist Everett K.
> Gibson, co-leader with McKay and Kathie Thomas-Keprta on the JSC Mars
> life study team.
>
> According to the JSC team, the three Martian meteorites with the
> apparent fossil signatures include what appear to be mats of bacteria
> and specific other biological signatures that are common to all three
> meteorites.
>
> They are also highly similar to undisputed micro-fossil life of ancient
> organisms found in Earth's rocks like Columbia river basalts in
> Washington state.
>
> In its November update, the Mars team said that for more than a decade
> after the Martian meteorite data were first presented in 1996, opponents
> of the life theory argued that fossil-shaped features and associated
> chemical purity was just as likely caused by the thermal/shock event
> that blasted the material off Mars in the first place.
>
> But new research led by Thomas-Keprta of the Allen Hills team in Houston
> has now proven the thermal theory is invalid. She says that finding
> strengthens the team's argument that uniquely-shaped "magnetic bacteria"
> features found in the meteorite were indeed formed by biologic activity
> on Mars and not some non-biologic thermal event.
>
> The new information from the team here goes well beyond the magnetic
> bacteria that dominated the NASA November release. McKay and co-leader
> of the Mars life team, JSC geologist Everett K. Gibson, have since
> provided Spaceflight Now with much more detail on two other major areas
> that will be the focus of more verification work starting this year.
>
> Noted astronomer the late Carl Sagan often said "extraordinary claims
> require extraordinary evidence," and the Johnson Space Center Mars life
> team believe they now have, or by year's end will have, such evidence.
>
> The two new areas involve:
>
> o More advanced instruments: Powerful analysis hardware that was
> unavailable or less capable when the Mars meteorite life analysis began
> in 1994 is about to be used on the samples in all three meteorites. This
> includes more capable High Resolution Electron Microscopy tools and a
> major new tool -- an Ion Microprobe analysis system.
>
> The Microprobe system will fire a focused stream of ions onto the
> biomorph/micro-fossil samples. The ions will flash the sample into
> plasma containing multiple constituents. A powerful spectrometer will
> then suck that in and out the other side read out constituents of each
> sample down to parts per billion level for each chemical or mineral
> constituent. Those ratios will then be used to determine whether the
> feature has its origin in non-living Martian geology or something
> biologic that was previously life on Mars.
>
> The new ion microprobe system should also provide the team with even
> higher optical resolution than the electron microscopes they have been
> using while also adding a major new chemical analysis dimension, says
> McKay.
>
> o Triple the meteorite samples: The JSC team is finding more micro-fossil
> evidence of life in the Allen Hills meteorite discovered in 1984 that in
> 1996 provided initial evidence of Martian life.
>
> The team calculates that the Allen Hills meteorite is made of
> 4-billion-year-old Martian rock carrying fossil evidence of life dating
> back to 3.6 billion years.
>
> This is an extremely old sample not comparable to anything on Earth
> today because all of Earth's crust has been processed and reprocessed as
> part of Earth's plate tectonics. The sample is already proving the
> presence of water on Mars back to its early days as a planet. If the
> fossil evidence is confirmed, it will prove that organisms existed on
> the planet within about 1 billion years of its formation.
>
> After the initial Allen Hills announcement made in 1996 with President
> Bill Clinton, the Houston team began to search for similar life examples
> in other meteorites from Mars. And they found that evidence in the
> already famous Nakhla meteorite that fell near the town of Nakhla,
> Egypt, in 1911. Nakhla fell in about 40 pieces weighing about 20 lb. 
> total.
>
> The largest sample set from that meteorite has been in the British
> Natural History Museum in London and virtually all of several pieces of
> Nakhla, which put on a spectacular show of flaming debris, smoke trails
> and sonic booms when it arrived at about 9 a.m. local time in the Nakhla
> region of Egypt south of Cairo.
>
> A local farmer claimed that one piece struck and killed a dog. But
> scientists believe the story was dreamed up by the land owner at the
> time seeking to boost prices for buyers seeking to purchase pieces.
>
> Then in 2000 a Japanese search team found another meteorite from Mars in
> Antarctica. It is designated Yamato 593 and also contains signs of
> fossil life similar to that seen in the Allen Hills and Nakhla
> meteorites. Both the Nakhla and Yamato life forms date to only about 1.4
> billion years old, if it can be proved more definitively.
>
> The new evidence for life on Mars is being substantially increased by
> the discovery of such potential Martian fossils in additional meteorites
> beyond the original meteorite discovered in 1984 at Allen Hills
> Antarctica, says McKay.
>
> Answering whether life, even single-celled organisms, formed on another
> planet is one of the most profound questions in modern science,
> especially if the answer is positive.
>
> If that can be verified soon, it will also play a major role in Mars
> space mission operational decisions and the formation of new exploration
> policy by NASA and the White House. Examples are:
>
> o More focused Mars life strategy: NASA's original strategy was to "follow
> the water" then shift to a strategy of "follow the carbon." The strategy
> now, however, has been changed again and the new motto pulls no punches.
> It now simply reads "find direct evidence for seeking out life," says
> Meyer. That role will first fall to the Mars Science Laboratory rover
> undergoing final assembly for launch in September 2011.
>
> o Next rover site selection: The Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) rover,
> named Curiosity and planned for launch in September 2011, will be
> specifically targeted for landing at a carbonate-rich site. It will be
> equipped to specifically look for Martian life as well as habitable
> areas for Martian organisms. MSL will be NASA's first dedicated
> astrobiology mission to Mars since the two Viking landers in 1976. Data
> from the meteorites will be very important in the analysis of MSL
> life-related findings, Gibson says.
>
> o Life's role in the solar system: If the meteorites' biomorphs prove to
> be true fossils of Martian life, the data will play a huge role in the
> assessments for life elsewhere in the solar system, such as in the
> ice-covered oceans of Jupiter's moon Europa. NASA plans to launch in
> 2020 a major new outer planets spacecraft -- the new Europa Jupiter
> System Mission -- to orbit Europa and assess the potential for life there.
>
> o Life's role in the Milky Way: Positive life determinations from the
> three meteorites would play a role in the assessment of life on
> Earth-like planets in the galaxy being sought out by the new Kepler
> observatory spacecraft that has already discovered five Jupiter-size
> planets in orbit around distant stars.
>
> o Broader study of carbonates: McKay says that all three of the meteorites
> contain substantial carbonate rock where the apparent fossils are
> located. Neither rover on the Martian surface has been able to study
> carbonate rock. If Opportunity can last another year, it will reach
> Endeavour crater, where such high priority carbonate rock is assessable.
>
> o Rover Opportunity drive strategy: The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO)
> spacecraft has found clay-bearing rocks lying directly in the path ahead
> for the Mars rover Opportunity. It will reach its 6th anniversary on
> Mars on January 24th and is driving dozens of feet each day toward
> Endeavour crater that is surrounded by carbonate-rich rock types like
> that holding fossils in the meteorites. If it can survive another year
> to drive the final 7-8 mi. to Endeavour crater, the rover will be able
> to image and analyze this totally new rock type never visited by a rover
> before. As a carbonate like that in the meteorites, the area ahead of
> Oppy could have provided a wet, warm, and non-acidic habitat for the
> formation of life on Mars, Steve Squyres, rover principal investigator,
> tells Spaceflight Now.
>
> "Even though we do not think the Endeavour crater is where these
> meteorites came from on Mars, any information that Opportunity could
> provide on the layering of similar carbonate rocks would be very useful
> to us," said Gibson.
>
> The other rover, Spirit, marked its 6th anniversary on Jan. 4, but NASA
> is resigned to declaring Spirit's roving days are over where it has been
> stuck since April in water and volcanically altered soils near the
> equator on the opposite side of Mars from Opportunity. Given Spirit is
> stuck for good, the science team is now preparing a detailed stationary
> spacecraft science program for Spirit but may try and run and steer its
> stuck wheels even deeper to tilt its solar array deck more toward the
> sun so the spacecraft can survive at least one more winter on Mars.
>
> Analysis of the Allen Hills, Nakhla and Yamato meteorites show the rock
> was blasted from depths as shallow as one-half mile and as deep as four
> miles. This puts them directly in the subsurface water table of Mars,
> Gibson said.
>
> Maria Zuber, who heads MIT's Department of Earth, Atmospheric and
> Planetary Science addressed the latest Mars water data this week at the
> American Astronomical Society meeting in Washington, D.C.
>
> "Recent observations of Mars from orbiting and landed spacecraft have
> dramatically changed our understanding of the distribution and amount of
> water at and beneath the surface throughout the planet's history," says
> Zuber.
>
> "There is definitive evidence for a watery past, including standing
> water on the surface, during Mars' early history, and the details of the
> global hydrological cycle, groundwater upwelling and aqueous chemistry
> have been elucidated.
>
> "There is evidence that much past surface water is currently stored in
> the upper crust in the planet's impact-generated regolith," she says.
> "And present-day Mars contains abundant water ice within a meter of the
> surface," says Zuber.
>
> The "biomorph" features discovered in the Yamato 593 meteorite look
> identical to those found inside the Allen Hills and Nakhla meteorites
> says McKay.
>
> Those Martian samples are also contained along with a mineral substrate
> called Iddingsite. In such material, the presence of carbonate is a
> giveaway for what on Mars would have been an underground aquifer with
> substantial water to generate this type of sample, McKay tells
> Spaceflight Now.
>
> The Iddingsite deposits continue to form and change the longer water
> flows through the rock providing additional evidence about the life
> forms that create tiny biomorphs -- the early stage for fossils that are
> most abundant with Iddingsite.
>
> Not only is there now abundant evidence for underground Mars life, the
> Japanese Yamato and Egyptian Nakhla samples, as well as increased
> samples of apparent fossils, look identical to samples in the Allen
> Hills meteorite.
>
> "Every biologist that I have shown these new Nakhlite and Yamato
> pictures to agree that they are microbial remains and fossils," McKay 
> says.
>
> And all of them look very similar or identical to the Earth fossil life
> examples found in Columbia River basalts in Washington State.
>
> The Martian samples have been recovered from Martian depths ranging from
> an estimated one-half mile below the surface to as much as about 4 miles
> deep.
>
> Allen Hills team members tell Spaceflight Now that this is especially
> fortuitous because many assessments about where Mars life would most
> likely survive is underground, out of reach from solar radiation and
> where aquifers most likely exist to hold life-giving water.
>
> This is also because those depths match assessments on where the
> underground Martian water table would have been the most active. Many
> Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and Mars Global Surveyor images show what
> appear to be discharges of water from canyon and crater walls.
>
> That data was summarized initially before the Society of Photo-Optical
> Instrumentation Engineers.
>
> NASA rolled out the findings again in greater depth before the American
> Geophysical Union Meeting last week in San Francisco. That meeting was
> attended by 16,000 international scientists and managers who work in the
> field of geology, geophysics and other exploration related fields.
>
> Some of the data described here was prepared by McKay initially for
> presentation to the Society of Photo-Optical Instrumentation Engineers.
>
> "The biomorphs in these last two meteorites are nearly identical,
> supporting our hypothesis that they formed on Mars," McKay told
> Spaceflight Now.
>
> He also noted that the similarity of the biomorph features across the
> three main Mars meteorite samples also argues against contamination by
> material that instead may have formed on Earth.
>
> And Nakhla also scores big when it comes to "following the carbon."
>
> "We see considerable carbon in Nakhla," says McKay.
>
> He cited the work of University of Arizona geoscientist Dr. A.J. Timothy
> Jull, who has shown that at least 70 percent of the carbon in Nakhla is
> not from Earth but had to come from Mars.
>
> The new Martian life evidence has come to light just as President Barack
> Obama is examining increased funding for NASA.
>
> That federal budget decision is being made in the wake of presidential
> review commission findings that the agency needs at least $3 billion
> more annually to develop new launchers and spacecraft that would both
> replace the space shuttle and send astronauts beyond Earth orbit with
> Mars the ultimate destination before mid-century.
>
> That Mars is the ultimate destination is pretty clear in the report by a
> team headed by Norm Augustine, former CEO of Lockheed Martin. But how to
> go about it remains the bigger unanswered question.
>
> Independent researchers in New Mexico and Hawaii say images and
> geochemical data from MRO and the European Space Agency Mars Express
> orbiter indicate that the Allen Hills meteorite was blasted out of the
> southern end of the vast Valles Marineris in a canyon at a junction
> called Eos Chasma.
>
> In a striking coincidence, this location believed the source for the
> first meteorite found to carry evidence of Mars life to Earth is fed
> directly by a channel named after the late "Orson Welles."
>
> In 1938 he panicked the entire U.S. with his Halloween radio news
> bulletin broadcast of H.G. Wells fiction "War of the Worlds" about the
> first Martian landing in New Jersey.
>
> This is the second of a pair of articles updating the analysis of
> evidence for life on Mars carried to Earth in meteorites. The first
> appeared in Spaceflight Now on Nov. 24, 2009.
>
>
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 11 12:25:47 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:25:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Nakhla
Message-ID: <15184798.1263230747181.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hello List,

Looking for a speciman of Nakhla for my personal collection..not re-sale.. Please contact me off list. I will be attending last week of Tucson.

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536


From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 12:50:47 2010
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:50:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Awesome Auctions Ending - Great Material!
Message-ID: <508634.555.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

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------------------------------------
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Jan 11 13:07:42 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:07:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Daring Asteroid Probe on Course to Reach Earth in
	June (Hayabusa)
Message-ID: <201001111807.o0BI7gHY023397@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1001/11hayabusa/

Daring asteroid probe on course to reach Earth in June
BY STEPHEN CLARK 
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
January 11, 2010

Japan's gritty Hayabusa probe isn't the first mission to be called the
little spacecraft that could, but the small robot is on the verge of
concluding a remarkable journey through the cosmos.

Running three years late after a harrowing fuel leak and cascading
system failures, Hayabusa is on the home stretch of a remarkable
seven-year journey through the solar system.

Hayabusa was primarily conceived as a demonstration mission to test
satellite technologies, including an innovative and highly-efficient ion
propulsion system that consumes xenon gas. The mission's secondary, but
more visible, objective was to fly to an asteroid and scoop samples off
its rocky surface for return to Earth.

Japanese space officials are expected to announce this week that the
probe's return to Earth is becoming more likely. Hayabusa's ion engines
will put the craft on a path by about Wednesday to be captured by
Earth's gravitational pull sometime in June, according to mission
officials.

"We think, as a technology demonstrator, Hayabusa has a big mission of
accomplishing a round trip to asteroid," said Junichiro Kawaguchi,
Hayabusa's project manager. "And from that point of view, we are about
to complete the mission."

Kawaguchi is referring to the Hill sphere, the region of space where
Earth's gravity is the dominant force affecting nearby objects. Earth's
Hill sphere extends about 1.5 million kilometers, or 932,000 miles, in
all directions from the planet.

Entering the Hill sphere does not mean Hayabusa is on course to
intercept Earth.

Hayabusa's sole operating ion engine will continue thrusting until March
to guide the spacecraft on a razor-thin trajectory to release a hardened
capsule for re-entry over Australia. The rest of the refrigerator-sized
probe will burn up in Earth's atmosphere.

Officials won't reveal a specific date for the arrival, saying they wish
to prepare for the recovery away from the glare of publicity. Japan has
a mixed history with robotic deep space missions, including the failed
Nozomi mission to Mars and the ambitious and successful Kaguya probe
that studied the moon.

The Nozomi mission was afflicted with problems similar to Hayabusa, and
Japan maintained the probe could reach Mars until the spacecraft missed
the Red Planet and flew into solar orbit in 2003.

The Hayabusa spacecraft is now limping through space, propelled by a
makeshift ion engine using components from two powerplants previously
declared failed. Ground teams rigged the new thrusting technique after
Hayabusa's last fully operational engine stopped working in November.

Hayabusa is also down to one reaction wheel to maintain the probe's
orientation in space. The craft's other two reaction wheels failed
within two years of launch.

"We have devised a (plan) to lower the rotation speed and also relaxed
torque level for Hayabusa," Kawaguchi said. "However, it is kind of a
miracle that the wheel is still alive and available."

Engineers are also worried that residual propellant from a 2005 fuel
leak could still coat the spacecraft's outer skin. When Hayabusa travels
closer to the sun as it approaches Earth, the fuel could heat up and
evaporate, causing an "eruption" that may send the spacecraft in an
out-of-control tumble, according to Kawaguchi.

Assuming Hayabusa survives those toils, the spacecraft's return capsule
must survive a fiery-hot re-entry into the atmosphere with a heat shield
two years beyond its design life.

That's because a series of problems after Hayabusa's 2005 reconnaissance
of asteroid Itokawa forced managers to postpone the probe's return from
2007 until 2010.

If Hayabusa successfully returns to Earth, Japanese engineers will have
accomplished a feat unmatched by the world's other space agencies -- the
return of a spacecraft from the surface of an asteroid.

Such an achievement wasn't by design.

Hayabusa inadvertently spent about 30 minutes on the surface of Itokawa
in November 2005 during a botched attempt to gather samples from its
gravelly surface.

The sample collection system was designed to fire a projectile into the
asteroid's surface, breaking loose bits of rock and funneling the
material into a chamber.

According to an analysis of telemetry recorded from the spacecraft,
Hayabusa never fired a pellet during two sample collection attempts,
deflating the hopes ot scientists.

Itokawa is a potato-shaped asteroid with a very low density. Scientists
describe such objects as rubble piles.

Kawaguchi said there is a low chance fine grains from Itokawa were
transported into the collection chamber as Hayabusa bounced on the
asteroid's surface. But there would be "no surprise" if the container is
empty, Kawaguchi said.

Despite long odds, Hayabusa has overcome every obstacle thrown in its
path since its launch in May 2003. Only five months stand between
Hayabusa and history, but the mission's toughest challenges may still be
ahead.

Kawaguchi gives a 60 percent chance of Hayabusa completing its journey
and returning its re-entry capsule to the ground, with or without a
cache of precious samples.


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Mon Jan 11 14:05:59 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:05:59 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] What is a Meteorite Strewnfield? & Meteorite
 Photos
In-Reply-To: <468bf6051001110754x2601dbd0g74f973f8fed6a8fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B4A4F7C.8090107@meteoritesusa.com>
	<468bf6051001110754x2601dbd0g74f973f8fed6a8fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4B7697.702@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi,

Thank you very much... I really appreciate it, I'm very flattered and 
humbled to receive such praise from the mighty master meteorite 
finder... ;) Wow!

Thanks Mike!

Regards,
Eric



On 1/11/2010 7:54 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
> Very well done Eric.
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Meteorites USA<eric at meteoritesusa.com>  wrote:
>    
>> Hi listees,
>>
>> A new article on meteorite strewnfields and how they are formed is available
>> on Meteorites USA complete with graphic illustrations, photos, and videos.
>>
>> ARTICLE: What is a meteorite strewnfield?
>> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-articles/what-is-a-meteorite-strewnfield/
>>
>> Also, many of you have written in complimenting my meteorite photos, telling
>> me how beautiful they are, and asking how to take meteorite photos. You guys
>> are now free to browse and enjoy a gallery of meteorite photos on my Flickr
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>> More to come...
>>
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>> credit to Meteorites USA)
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>>
>> If you're a website owner with related content you're free to use the
>> meteorite images on your sites and in print publications for free under the
>> Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license.
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>> "Meteorites USA Meteorite Photo Collection"
>>
>> Thank you all for your participation and comments. Suggestions and critiques
>> are welcome whether public or private. Thanks and enjoy.
>>
>> Have fun and enjoy.
>>
>> Regards,
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>> Meteorites USA
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From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 14:11:59 2010
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:11:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auctions ending
In-Reply-To: <4B4B7697.702@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <636951.60625.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I have a dozen or so auctions of some nice NWAs ending today and many are still bid at only a penny.
See my ebay user id AMUNRE
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From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 14:15:43 2010
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:15:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: SIZE MATTERS - And Free Shipping
In-Reply-To: <4B4B7697.702@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <865496.72457.qm@web56108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

See here:
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I am moving to australia in a few months and would like to sell rather than ship them and big ones in particular I would like to sell off.
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From impactika at aol.com  Mon Jan 11 15:02:05 2010
From: impactika at aol.com (impactika at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:02:05 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
Message-ID: <c0c0.2d55b9.387cddbd@aol.com>



Not really!

I bought a whole bunch of them from Jeff when they first came out.
And you will find them in my room in Tucson!
InnSuites Room 230.

And...........severa other surprises!
See you soon! 

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
http://www.imca.cc/



In a message dated 1/11/2010 7:41:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
info at meteorites.com.au writes:
Sold out folks.

Cheers,

Jeff


From damoclid at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 15:18:32 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:18:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] WTB IN Tucson
Message-ID: <788850.66778.qm@web113605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Even though most of the shows don't start until the end of this month, the very first of the Tucson Shows starts in just 10 days!

That being said, this post is addressed to all the dealers that will be selling in one of the shows IN Tucson this year.

I am looking for a few specific items, but the top of my want list is a full slice of a "Type 3". CV3 or LL3 in the ~50g range, and it must be classified.

I'm also looking for a similar sized, thin pallasite slice. No need to contact me about this one as I'll be sure to find one within my budget as I wander from room to room. 

The last thing I'll specifically be looking for a very inexpensive ordinary chondrite in the 500g to <1 kilo size that I can window for use in talks about NEOs, impactors and meteorites. I have a kilo sized Campo already, so this would be its mate for "show and tell". This won't be a "cabinet display" stone, just an example to show off chondrules and metal flecks. It can be heavily weathered with zero fusion crust.
As such my budget for this stone is small...


If you'll be in Tucson and will have what I am looking for, please let me know off list to specifically stop by your room to see what you have.

If you won't be in Tucson, I'm sorry, but for these items I'll only be buying from dealers that will be at The Show.

Thanks

--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


      


From valparint at aol.com  Mon Jan 11 15:43:05 2010
From: valparint at aol.com (valparint at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:43:05 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <9DA6495C5A9A4ABEB03A79958375FB8B@vpoffsiteweb.local>

yadda


From valparint at aol.com  Mon Jan 11 15:52:47 2010
From: valparint at aol.com (valparint at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:52:47 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Help contacting Christian Anger
Message-ID: <ED5082781D7E4F9090E8D8C0C37A8EBE@vpoffsiteweb.local>

Hello all.

I've been trying to contact Christian Anger by email for the past several weeks and haven't received a response. Can anyone help me contact him?

Thanks, and off list please.

Paul Swartz


From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 18:14:47 2010
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:14:47 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD/Much better pictures these look like the
	meteorites do! Admire and a new meteorite knife//
Message-ID: <468bf6051001111514m19bac46bnff21b7208e49d3de@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all I have been working on trying to take pictures of the Admire
pallasite slices that reflect the true colors and I think I have
finally done it! These pictures actually look like the slices. Each
different type of lighting gave different reflection from the
crystals, but this is what they actually look like when you hold them.
The knife is also something to look at it is new type or grade of
steel and is very dark in contrast to the shinny meteoritic nickel.
Check them out here http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm
Thanks for looking.

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
     928-753-6825


From lintonius at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 11 19:12:53 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:12:53 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Kitt Peak anyone?
References: <865496.72457.qm@web56108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <73E9E2A16A0848A0B29B0D6BB3CB975B@D190TH71>

Greetings listoids.
I'm wanting to book myself for a night at Kitt Peak, through their Nightly 
Observing Program. I was observing the cosmos before I was collecting pieces 
of it. <g>
Would anyone else be interested in joining me?
I'm looking at  Feb. 1, 2, or 3.
You can read about it here...
http://www.noao.edu/outreach/nop/
Linton 



From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 20:12:57 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:12:57 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Chicxulub, Henbury, Bassikounou,
	Vintage Rock Set, Bilanga, 14KT 	Gold, MAPS journals, more!
Message-ID: <e51421551001111712j77942148i70324137241cbe37@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

I have several new offerings and one gold ring for sale.

Met List members reading this get a 25% discount on all prices listed
on my website.  To get the discount, use the coupon code "metlist" at
checkout.  Be sure to type the coupon code exactly as it appears here
(minus the quotes) because it is case sensitive.  "metlist"

Chicxulub - colorful prehistoric theme Riker box displays.  Featuring
KT-boundary micro tektites from the Dreisler collection that were
collected in Beloc Haiti.  Own a relic from the day the dinosaurs
died.  I only have a very limited number of these displays.

http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Chicxulub-Tektite-Display--Rare-Dinosaur-Extinction-Relic_1197188.html

Henbury irons - I have 6 small Henbury irons that are uncleaned and
"as found".  Sizes range from 3.5 grams up to 8.7 grams.   Each comes
with a labelled gemjar.

http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Henbury-Iron-Meteorite-from-Australia--87-grams-Natural-Patina_1197950.html

Bassikounou - fresh crusted chunks.  I have small budget-priced Bassi
specimens ranging from $5 micromounts to larger 6+ gram crusted
fragments.  See the following link for an example specimen.  The
largest 6+ gram chunk is not listed on my website, contact me for
photos of it.

http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Bassikounou--Witnessed-Fall-H5-Meteorite--Big-Crusted-Chunk_1197886.html

Vintage 1960 Rock Collector's Set - contains uranium and gold ore
specimens, 24 mounted specimens, book and box.

http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Vintage-1960-Rocks-Minerals-Set--Uranium-Ore-Gold-Ore-More_1197129.html

I have a big stack of MAPS journals (Meteoritics and Planetary
Science) from 2008 and 2009 - contact me if interested.  I'll let them
go for $5 each plus ship - if the buyer takes the whole lot.

Lastly, I have a 14-KT GOLD ring - wedding band.  Nice condition.
Weighs 5.14 grams. (.165 troy ounces) - I will sell this ring for cash
or will trade it for meteorites.  I prefer falls or rare types.
Contact  me and make an offer.

I also have Bilanga micros, UNWA slices, a Rock Rascal vise for
lapidary saws, and some other new items that can be seen here -

http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/BRAND-NEW_126516/?page1&s=newest

Thanks for looking and clear skies!

MikeG


From minador at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 22:11:45 2010
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:11:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball SE of Tucson
Message-ID: <157126.25426.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

At approx. 7:53 p.m. (20 minutes ago) I saw a small bolide SE of Tucson,?traveling in a southerly direction.? It was maybe 20 degrees above the horizon.? It was moving somewhat fast.

Anybody else see it?? 

I was? just answering my cell phone, and the first words my brother said was that he just saw an huge meteor.? He was at I-10 & Palo Verde.? I told him I just saw it too - in fact it was still going when we started speaking.? It was green in color and broke up into 2 or 3 pieces.? Hopefully someone else has seen or heard it.? So start checking for reports folks!? I wonder if it was caught by Doppler or the all sky camera network...

Mark Bowling
Vail, AZ


From erikfwebb at msn.com  Tue Jan 12 03:33:09 2010
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:33:09 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Star/Meteor Photos
Message-ID: <COL119-W4232018471F2124C620EA4A46C0@phx.gbl>


Here is a flickr blog of the best photos of the starry sky

http://blog.flickr.net/en/2010/01/02/your-best-shot-2009-starry-sky/


[Erik]
 		 	   		  

From life19maroc at yahoo.fr  Tue Jan 12 12:23:52 2010
From: life19maroc at yahoo.fr (abdelfattah gharrad)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:23:52 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question
Message-ID: <870107.16953.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Dear lists,

i would like to put this question regarding difference of meteorites here and hope i get some answers

Is there a relationship between the ex- consistency of the skies and earth and the nature of meteorites?
Thanks,
Abdelfattah.


      


From life19maroc at yahoo.fr  Tue Jan 12 12:30:14 2010
From: life19maroc at yahoo.fr (abdelfattah gharrad)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:30:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] my question
Message-ID: <635002.29699.qm@web26308.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Dear lists,

i would like to put this question regarding difference of meteorites here and hope i get some answers

Is there a relationship between the ex- coherence  of the skies and earth and the nature of meteorites?
Thanks,
Abdelfattah.




 


      


From kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu  Tue Jan 12 12:32:12 2010
From: kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:32:12 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] {MPML} 2010 AL30: Bright (14th mag)
 newly-discovered close approaching object
In-Reply-To: <4B4CB1A4.1060805@lpl.arizona.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.1001111416490.8337-100000@shell.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<4B4C7CD4.8080100@projectpluto.com>
	<4B4CB1A4.1060805@lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <4B4CB21C.7050008@lpl.arizona.edu>

Richard Kowalski wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> I know of a large number of meteorite hunters and collectors that would be 
> rushing towards the impact zone for an object this size and smaller.
> 
> I'm not sure how close I'd want to be to a 60 meter...


Sorry I meant 60 foot

Richard






From kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu  Tue Jan 12 12:30:12 2010
From: kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:30:12 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] {MPML} 2010 AL30: Bright (14th mag)
 newly-discovered close approaching object
In-Reply-To: <4B4C7CD4.8080100@projectpluto.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.1001111416490.8337-100000@shell.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<4B4C7CD4.8080100@projectpluto.com>
Message-ID: <4B4CB1A4.1060805@lpl.arizona.edu>

Bill,

I know of a large number of meteorite hunters and collectors that would be 
rushing towards the impact zone for an object this size and smaller.

I'm not sure how close I'd want to be to a 60 meter object's impact point, but a 
few 10s of kilometers should be sufficient to get a great seat for the show and 
then be on the scene to recover fragments in very short order...

Richard



Bill J Gray wrote:
> Hi Andrea,
> 
>     "...Since this object is almost on an impact trajectory, this is a great
> example of how much warning time we have for an object with H = 27..."
> 
>     True:  had it been about to hit a populated area,  we'd have had
> enough time,  probably,  just barely,  to tell people in the impact
> area to go someplace else.  To me,  that's the good news about these
> small objects.  We don't get much warning,  but we only need enough
> warning to persuade people to go someplace else.
> 
>     Of course,  that's in theory.  I wonder how many people would
> actually leave their homes after getting such a warning... but the
> psychology of such matters may be off-topic for this list!
> 
> -- Bill
> 
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Lunar and Planetary Laboratory
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ  85721


From life19maroc at yahoo.fr  Tue Jan 12 12:42:07 2010
From: life19maroc at yahoo.fr (abdelfattah gharrad)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:42:07 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] I mean glued attached
Message-ID: <780476.8756.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Dear lists,

i would like to put this question regarding difference of meteorites here and hope i get some answers

Is there a relationship between the ex- coherence "imean glued"  of the skies and earth and the nature of meteorites?
Thanks,
Abdelfattah.



      


From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 13:05:32 2010
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:05:32 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] {MPML} 2010 AL30: Bright (14th mag)
	newly-discovered close approaching object
In-Reply-To: <4B4CB21C.7050008@lpl.arizona.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.1001111416490.8337-100000@shell.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<4B4C7CD4.8080100@projectpluto.com> <4B4CB1A4.1060805@lpl.arizona.edu>
	<4B4CB21C.7050008@lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <93aaac891001121005m14bfe63ax3c0220fba4af2417@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Richard, All,
60 feet or meters - either way you're getting a crater unless you get
a spectacular strewnfield for some reason (I'm thinking on a
Gibeon-ish scale, which we all know is unique).  60 meters would
likely be larger than the Canyon Diablo impact, depending on the
impactor's composition and velocity, and you wouldn't want to be
within a hundred miles of that one - if you value your general health
and eardrums.  A 60 foot impactor, on the other hand - well, again, it
depends on its size and composition.  Some size estimates for the
Meteor Crater impactor run as low as 80 feet.
- So you probably don't want to be close enough to see it.  The
shockwave at "a few 10s of kilometers" would be devastating.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlkop/meteorcr.html

Regards,
Jason

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Richard Kowalski
<kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu> wrote:
> Richard Kowalski wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I know of a large number of meteorite hunters and collectors that would be
>> rushing towards the impact zone for an object this size and smaller.
>>
>> I'm not sure how close I'd want to be to a 60 meter...
>
>
> Sorry I meant 60 foot
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
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From gsac at gmx.net  Tue Jan 12 13:46:39 2010
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:46:39 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] {MPML} 2010 AL30: Bright (14th
	mag)	newly-discovered close approaching object
In-Reply-To: <93aaac891001121005m14bfe63ax3c0220fba4af2417@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.1001111416490.8337-100000@shell.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<4B4C7CD4.8080100@projectpluto.com> <4B4CB1A4.1060805@lpl.arizona.edu>
	<4B4CB21C.7050008@lpl.arizona.edu>
	<93aaac891001121005m14bfe63ax3c0220fba4af2417@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100112184639.33570@gmx.net>

If it were a manmade object from the early years of space travel,
may be a rocket stage or something like this from the Apollo era,
and it would impact, and some debris of this would survive, I 
would LOVE to have this artifact in my collection... :-)

Alex
Berlin/Germany



-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:05:32 -0800
> Von: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> An: Richard Kowalski <kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu>, Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] {MPML} 2010 AL30: Bright (14th mag)	newly-discovered close approaching object

> Hello Richard, All,
> 60 feet or meters - either way you're getting a crater unless you get
> a spectacular strewnfield for some reason (I'm thinking on a
> Gibeon-ish scale, which we all know is unique).  60 meters would
> likely be larger than the Canyon Diablo impact, depending on the
> impactor's composition and velocity, and you wouldn't want to be
> within a hundred miles of that one - if you value your general health
> and eardrums.  A 60 foot impactor, on the other hand - well, again, it
> depends on its size and composition.  Some size estimates for the
> Meteor Crater impactor run as low as 80 feet.
> - So you probably don't want to be close enough to see it.  The
> shockwave at "a few 10s of kilometers" would be devastating.
> 
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlkop/meteorcr.html
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Richard Kowalski
> <kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu> wrote:
> > Richard Kowalski wrote:
> >>
> >> Bill,
> >>
> >> I know of a large number of meteorite hunters and collectors that would
> be
> >> rushing towards the impact zone for an object this size and smaller.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure how close I'd want to be to a 60 meter...
> >
> >
> > Sorry I meant 60 foot
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________
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> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
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From kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu  Tue Jan 12 14:09:02 2010
From: kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:09:02 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] {MPML} 2010 AL30: Bright (14th
 mag)	newly-discovered close approaching object
In-Reply-To: <20100112184639.33570@gmx.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.1001111416490.8337-100000@shell.lpl.arizona.edu>	<4B4C7CD4.8080100@projectpluto.com>
	<4B4CB1A4.1060805@lpl.arizona.edu>	<4B4CB21C.7050008@lpl.arizona.edu>
	<93aaac891001121005m14bfe63ax3c0220fba4af2417@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100112184639.33570@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4B4CC8CE.40509@lpl.arizona.edu>

Alexander Seidel wrote:
> If it were a manmade object from the early years of space travel,
> may be a rocket stage or something like this from the Apollo era,
> and it would impact, and some debris of this would survive, I 
> would LOVE to have this artifact in my collection... :-)
> 
> Alex
> Berlin/Germany

Alex,

it isn't man-made.

Jason,

the H value of the object is 27.0 which translates to ~24-m if it has an albedo 
of 5%. I chose 60 feet for the conversion because I'm guessing its a little 
darker than 5%.

I've input some of the parameters into the Earth Impact Effects Program tool at:

http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects/

I did use an iron, but used average parameters, 17km velocity, 45 degree entry, 
20 km distance. You can see the results of my inputs here.

http://tinyurl.com/yhkkyhq

I have to head out in a few minutes, but if someone wants to take the time to 
input the correct inputs for this object, it'd be interesting to see the results.


-- 
Richard


From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 14:54:29 2010
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:54:29 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] {MPML} 2010 AL30: Bright (14th mag)
	newly-discovered close approaching object
In-Reply-To: <4B4CC8CE.40509@lpl.arizona.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.1001111416490.8337-100000@shell.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<4B4C7CD4.8080100@projectpluto.com> <4B4CB1A4.1060805@lpl.arizona.edu>
	<4B4CB21C.7050008@lpl.arizona.edu>
	<93aaac891001121005m14bfe63ax3c0220fba4af2417@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100112184639.33570@gmx.net> <4B4CC8CE.40509@lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <93aaac891001121154s7abe0d64v4bf2f0c7b5a7c647@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Richard, All,
I would agree, except - it seems unlikely to me that such a large body
would fragment as described.  Admittedly, there are exceptions to
every general rule, but generally speaking, an iron that large seems
unlikely to fragment.  Take a look at Sikhote-Alin - a body a mere 4m
in diameter.  Even that fragmented a very short time before reaching
the ground.  I haven't been able to find similar data for Henbury,
Wolf Creek, or Camp del Cielo, but I'm guessing that such bodies might
just as likely not  fragment, as opposed to what they say in ever
estimate for bodies in that size range on the site.  After all,
Carancas was an exception, but it was one hell of an exception, being
*such* a small body -- and a stone, no less -- that didn't break up.
And we're not even talking about a 10m initial diameter here, but more
like 1-2m.   Without that dissipation of mass and dispersion of
energy, you're looking at much stronger shock-waves and considerably
more damage.
Regards,
Jason

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Richard Kowalski
<kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu> wrote:
> Alexander Seidel wrote:
>>
>> If it were a manmade object from the early years of space travel,
>> may be a rocket stage or something like this from the Apollo era,
>> and it would impact, and some debris of this would survive, I would LOVE
>> to have this artifact in my collection... :-)
>>
>> Alex
>> Berlin/Germany
>
> Alex,
>
> it isn't man-made.
>
> Jason,
>
> the H value of the object is 27.0 which translates to ~24-m if it has an
> albedo of 5%. I chose 60 feet for the conversion because I'm guessing its a
> little darker than 5%.
>
> I've input some of the parameters into the Earth Impact Effects Program tool
> at:
>
> http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects/
>
> I did use an iron, but used average parameters, 17km velocity, 45 degree
> entry, 20 km distance. You can see the results of my inputs here.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yhkkyhq
>
> I have to head out in a few minutes, but if someone wants to take the time
> to input the correct inputs for this object, it'd be interesting to see the
> results.
>
>
> --
> Richard
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From gsac at gmx.net  Tue Jan 12 15:01:02 2010
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:01:02 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] {MPML} 2010 AL30: Bright (14th
	mag)	newly-discovered close approaching object
In-Reply-To: <4B4CC8CE.40509@lpl.arizona.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.1001111416490.8337-100000@shell.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<4B4C7CD4.8080100@projectpluto.com>	<4B4CB1A4.1060805@lpl.arizona.edu>
	<4B4CB21C.7050008@lpl.arizona.edu>
	<93aaac891001121005m14bfe63ax3c0220fba4af2417@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100112184639.33570@gmx.net> <4B4CC8CE.40509@lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <20100112200102.82470@gmx.net>

> Alex, 
> it isn't man-made.


Hi Richard,

well, this was not my idea initially, but it was mentioned as 
a certain possibility by the website http://spaceweather.com 

Can this definitely be ruled out, and if so, why? May be, our
other good expert on orbital analysis things, Rob Matson, would 
also like to add a few remarks on this. Do you have light curves
or reflectance spectra from the object to rule it out?

Thank you, Richard, and very best wishes,
Alex
Berlin/Germany





From kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu  Tue Jan 12 15:59:32 2010
From: kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:59:32 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2010 AL30: Bright newly-discovered close
 approaching object
In-Reply-To: <20100112200102.82470@gmx.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.1001111416490.8337-100000@shell.lpl.arizona.edu>	<4B4C7CD4.8080100@projectpluto.com>	<4B4CB1A4.1060805@lpl.arizona.edu>	<4B4CB21C.7050008@lpl.arizona.edu>	<93aaac891001121005m14bfe63ax3c0220fba4af2417@mail.gmail.com>	<20100112184639.33570@gmx.net>
	<4B4CC8CE.40509@lpl.arizona.edu> <20100112200102.82470@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4B4CE2B4.4070503@lpl.arizona.edu>

Alexander Seidel wrote:

> Can this definitely be ruled out, and if so, why? May be, our
> other good expert on orbital analysis things, Rob Matson, would 
> also like to add a few remarks on this. Do you have light curves
> or reflectance spectra from the object to rule it out?


Alex,

Alan Harris wrote this on MPML earlier today:

"Unlikely to be artificial, it's orbit doesn't resemble any useful
spacecraft trajectory, and its encounter velocity with the Earth is not
unusually low, around 9.5 km/sec "v_infinity".  Perfectly ordinary
Earth-crossing orbit."

I'm sure he wouldn't mind my quoting him here.

Many observations have been coming in by both amateur astrometrists and no doubt 
photometrists, and there have been no reports I am aware of that the object 
appears to be anything other than natural.

You may remember at various times we have recovered objects that are man-made, 
including candidates that were most likely the 3rd stage of Apollo 12, "Snoopy", 
the ascent stage of the Apollo 10 Lunar Module, and my own slightly embarrassing 
"discovery" of Rosetta before it passed the earth for a gravitational assist a 
few years ago. All were identified rapidly as most likely man-made, and probable 
mission origins suggested in very short order there after.

As Alan states, this one is in a very typical earth-crossing orbit. The only 
thing that makes it marginally interesting is that it is a very close approacher.

Lance Benner reports that his team is trying to get time on the Goldstone dish 
so they can make radar observations early on the 13th. That'll settle once and 
for all if it is natural or man-made and we'll also get an idea of the object's 
shape and it's exact size.


Jason,

Jay Melosh et al are pretty well know in the field of impacts. I'm pretty 
confident in the results that their online impact tool outputs.

-- 
Richard Kowalski
Catalina Sky Survey
Lunar and Planetary Laboratory
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ  85721


From gsac at gmx.net  Tue Jan 12 16:20:45 2010
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:20:45 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2010 AL30: Bright newly-discovered close
 approaching object
In-Reply-To: <4B4CE2B4.4070503@lpl.arizona.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.1001111416490.8337-100000@shell.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<4B4C7CD4.8080100@projectpluto.com>	<4B4CB1A4.1060805@lpl.arizona.edu>
	<4B4CB21C.7050008@lpl.arizona.edu>
	<93aaac891001121005m14bfe63ax3c0220fba4af2417@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100112184639.33570@gmx.net>	<4B4CC8CE.40509@lpl.arizona.edu>
	<20100112200102.82470@gmx.net> <4B4CE2B4.4070503@lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <20100112212045.205860@gmx.net>

Thanks a bunch, Richard, for this excellent and concise report on the subject!

All my best,
Alex
Berlin/Germany




-------- Original-Nachricht --------

> Alexander Seidel wrote:
> 
> > Can this definitely be ruled out, and if so, why? May be, our
> > other good expert on orbital analysis things, Rob Matson, would 
> > also like to add a few remarks on this. Do you have light curves
> > or reflectance spectra from the object to rule it out?
> 
> 
> Alex,
> 
> Alan Harris wrote this on MPML earlier today:
> 
> "Unlikely to be artificial, it's orbit doesn't resemble any useful
> spacecraft trajectory, and its encounter velocity with the Earth is not
> unusually low, around 9.5 km/sec "v_infinity".  Perfectly ordinary
> Earth-crossing orbit."
> 
> I'm sure he wouldn't mind my quoting him here.
> 
> Many observations have been coming in by both amateur astrometrists and no
> doubt 
> photometrists, and there have been no reports I am aware of that the
> object 
> appears to be anything other than natural.
> 
> You may remember at various times we have recovered objects that are
> man-made, 
> including candidates that were most likely the 3rd stage of Apollo 12,
> "Snoopy", 
> the ascent stage of the Apollo 10 Lunar Module, and my own slightly
> embarrassing 
> "discovery" of Rosetta before it passed the earth for a gravitational
> assist a 
> few years ago. All were identified rapidly as most likely man-made, and
> probable 
> mission origins suggested in very short order there after.
> 
> As Alan states, this one is in a very typical earth-crossing orbit. The
> only 
> thing that makes it marginally interesting is that it is a very close
> approacher.
> 
> Lance Benner reports that his team is trying to get time on the Goldstone
> dish 
> so they can make radar observations early on the 13th. That'll settle once
> and 
> for all if it is natural or man-made and we'll also get an idea of the
> object's 
> shape and it's exact size.
> 
> 
> Jason,
> 
> Jay Melosh et al are pretty well know in the field of impacts. I'm pretty 
> confident in the results that their online impact tool outputs.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Kowalski
> Catalina Sky Survey
> Lunar and Planetary Laboratory
> University of Arizona
> Tucson, AZ  85721
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 12 16:40:53 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:40:53 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2010 AL30: Bright newly-discovered close
	approaching object
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.1001111416490.8337-100000@shell.lpl.arizona.edu>	<4B4C7CD4.8080100@projectpluto.com>	<4B4CB1A4.1060805@lpl.arizona.edu>	<4B4CB21C.7050008@lpl.arizona.edu>	<93aaac891001121005m14bfe63ax3c0220fba4af2417@mail.gmail.com>	<20100112184639.33570@gmx.net><4B4CC8CE.40509@lpl.arizona.edu>
	<20100112200102.82470@gmx.net> <4B4CE2B4.4070503@lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <509592CB23A747A4BB913D1A18E24A73@ATARIENGINE2>

List,

More information on 2010 AL30 can be
found here:

Updated through 3:30 pm today:
http://news.discovery.com/space/the-2010-al30-an-asteroid-or-man-made-object.html

Similar, but includes a flyby movie -- zoom!
Also has sky photos of the object.
http://www.scibuff.com/2010/01/12/2010-al30-more-info-including-a-fly-by-animation/

It will be approaching from the night side of
the Earth, so the approach is observable. After
it passes to the Sunside, it will be "lost" very
quickly. The close pass will be at about 80,000
miles.

Interestingly, it has had past close encounters
with Venus (assuming no great orbit changes).
This has given rise to speculation that it might
be hardware from a Venus mission, but the orbit
is still unlikely.

Maybe the Venusians are checking out Planet
Three...


Sterling K. Webb
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Kowalski" <kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2010 AL30: Bright newly-discovered close 
approaching object


> Alexander Seidel wrote:
>
>> Can this definitely be ruled out, and if so, why? May be, our
>> other good expert on orbital analysis things, Rob Matson, would also 
>> like to add a few remarks on this. Do you have light curves
>> or reflectance spectra from the object to rule it out?
>
>
> Alex,
>
> Alan Harris wrote this on MPML earlier today:
>
> "Unlikely to be artificial, it's orbit doesn't resemble any useful
> spacecraft trajectory, and its encounter velocity with the Earth is 
> not
> unusually low, around 9.5 km/sec "v_infinity".  Perfectly ordinary
> Earth-crossing orbit."
>
> I'm sure he wouldn't mind my quoting him here.
>
> Many observations have been coming in by both amateur astrometrists 
> and no doubt photometrists, and there have been no reports I am aware 
> of that the object appears to be anything other than natural.
>
> You may remember at various times we have recovered objects that are 
> man-made, including candidates that were most likely the 3rd stage of 
> Apollo 12, "Snoopy", the ascent stage of the Apollo 10 Lunar Module, 
> and my own slightly embarrassing "discovery" of Rosetta before it 
> passed the earth for a gravitational assist a few years ago. All were 
> identified rapidly as most likely man-made, and probable mission 
> origins suggested in very short order there after.
>
> As Alan states, this one is in a very typical earth-crossing orbit. 
> The only thing that makes it marginally interesting is that it is a 
> very close approacher.
>
> Lance Benner reports that his team is trying to get time on the 
> Goldstone dish so they can make radar observations early on the 13th. 
> That'll settle once and for all if it is natural or man-made and we'll 
> also get an idea of the object's shape and it's exact size.
>
>
> Jason,
>
> Jay Melosh et al are pretty well know in the field of impacts. I'm 
> pretty confident in the results that their online impact tool outputs.
>
> -- 
> Richard Kowalski
> Catalina Sky Survey
> Lunar and Planetary Laboratory
> University of Arizona
> Tucson, AZ  85721
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at 
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 



From damoclid at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 17:06:42 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:06:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2010 AL30: Bright newly-discovered close
	approaching object
In-Reply-To: <509592CB23A747A4BB913D1A18E24A73@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <486153.72103.qm@web113617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bill Gray, the author of the excellent free software "Findorb" (among other titles) posted something that may be of interest to this discussion on MPML. This post about the discovery circumstances can be found here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mpml/message/22796


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


      


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Jan 12 17:21:11 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:21:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Martian Landform Observations Fill Special Journal
	Issue
Message-ID: <201001122221.o0CMLBGS004675@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=2438  

Martian Landform Observations Fill Special Journal Issue
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
January 11, 2010

Martian landforms shaped by winds, water, lava flow, seasonal icing and
other forces are analyzed in 21 journal reports based on data from a
camera orbiting Mars.

The research in a January special issue of Icarus testifies to the
diversity of the planet being examined by the High Resolution Imaging
Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance
Orbiter. Examples of the findings include:

-- Valleys associated with light-toned layered deposits in several
locations along the plateaus adjacent to the largest canyon system on
Mars suggest low-temperature alteration of volcanic rocks by acidic
water both before and after formation of the canyons.

-- The youngest flood-lava flow on Mars, found in the Elysium Planitia
region and covering an area the size of Oregon, is the product of a
single eruption and was put in place turbulently over a span of several
weeks at most.

-- New details are observed in how seasonal vanishing of carbon-dioxide
ice sheets in far-southern latitudes imprints the ground with fan-shaped
and spider-shaped patterns via venting of carbon-dioxide gas from the
undersurface of the ice.

HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona, Tucson, and was built
by Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp., Boulder, Colo. It is one of six
instruments on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, which is managed by
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., and was built by
Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver. The U.S. Geological Survey
Astrogeology Science Center, Flagstaff, Ariz., played a special role in
preparation of the special issue, providing two guest editors and
authorship of multiple papers. For more information, see
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Jan 12 17:27:05 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:27:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA to Check for Unlikely Winter Survival of Mars
	Lander (Phoenix)
Message-ID: <201001122227.o0CMR5qn006383@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2010-008  

NASA to Check for Unlikely Winter Survival of Mars Lander
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
January 11, 2010

PASADENA, Calif. -- Beginning Jan. 18, NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter will
listen for possible, though improbable, radio transmissions from the
Phoenix Mars Lander, which completed five months of studying an arctic
Martian site in November 2008.

The solar-powered lander operated two months longer than its three-month
prime mission during summer on northern Mars before the seasonal ebb of
sunshine ended its work. Since then, Phoenix's landing site has gone
through autumn, winter and part of spring. The lander's hardware was not
designed to survive the temperature extremes and ice-coating load of an
arctic Martian winter.

In the extremely unlikely case that Phoenix survived the winter, it is
expected to follow instructions programmed on its computer. If systems
still operate, once its solar panels generate enough electricity to
establish a positive energy balance, the lander would periodically try
to communicate with any available Mars relay orbiters in an attempt to
reestablish contact with Earth. During each communications attempt, the
lander would alternately use each of its two radios and each of its two
antennas.

Odyssey will pass over the Phoenix landing site approximately 10 times
each day during three consecutive days of listening this month and two
longer listening campaigns in February and March.

"We do not expect Phoenix to have survived, and therefore do not expect
to hear from it. However, if Phoenix is transmitting, Odyssey will hear
it," said Chad Edwards, chief telecommunications engineer for the Mars
Exploration Program at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena,
Calif. "We will perform a sufficient number of Odyssey contact attempts
that if we don't detect a transmission from Phoenix, we can have a high
degree of confidence that the lander is not active."

The amount of sunshine at Phoenix's site is currently about the same as
when the lander last communicated, on Nov. 2, 2008, with the sun above
the horizon about 17 hours each day. The listening attempts will
continue until after the sun is above the horizon for the full 24.7
hours of the Martian day at the lander's high-latitude site. During the
later attempts in February or March, Odyssey will transmit radio signals
that could potentially be heard by Phoenix, as well as passively listening.

If Odyssey does hear from Phoenix, the orbiter will attempt to lock onto
the signal and gain information about the lander's status. The initial
task would be to determine what capabilities Phoenix retains,
information that NASA would consider in decisions about any further steps.

Mars Odyssey is managed for NASA's Science Mission Directorate by JPL, a
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. Lockheed
Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime contractor for the project
and built the spacecraft.

The successful Phoenix mission was led by Peter Smith of the University
of Arizona, Tucson, with project management at JPL and development
partnership at Lockheed Martin. International contributions came from
the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the
universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus in Denmark; the Max Planck
Institute in Germany; the Finnish Meteorological Institute; and Imperial
College, London.

Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
Guy.Webster at jpl.nasa.gov

2010-008



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Jan 12 17:31:27 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:31:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Curious Asteroid Flyby (2010 AL30)
Message-ID: <201001122231.o0CMVSRu007357@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Space Weather News for Jan. 12, 2010
http://spaceweather.com

CURIOUS ASTEROID FLYBY: A curious object is about to fly past Earth 
only one-third the distance to the Moon. Catalogued as a 10m-class 
asteroid, 2010 AL30 has an orbital period of almost exactly 1 year. 
This raises the possibility that it might not be a natural object, 
but rather a piece of some spacecraft from our own planet. At 
closest approach on Jan. 13th, 2010 AL30 will streak through 
Orion, Taurus, and Pisces glowing like a 14th magnitude star. 
Experienced amateur astronomers are encouraged to monitor the 
flyby.  Orbital elements, images, and more information are 
available on http://spaceweather.com .



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Jan 12 17:52:55 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:52:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rosetta's OSIRIS Cameras Reveal the Nature of
	Asteroid Steins
Message-ID: <201001122252.o0CMqt5h009568@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=46254  

Rosetta's OSIRIS cameras reveal the nature of asteroid Steins
European Space Agency
08 Jan 2010

Close-up images of asteroid (2867) Steins, obtained with the OSIRIS
cameras on Rosetta, have provided extensive new measurements of the
physical properties of this main-belt asteroid. Steins is revealed to be
a loosely-bound 'rubble pile' whose diamond shape has been honed by the
YORP effect. This is the first time this effect has been seen in a
main-belt asteroid. The results are reported by H. Uwe Keller and
colleagues in the 8 January issue of Science magazine. 

Most models of Solar System formation posit that the planets formed from
the collision and eventual coalescence of planetesimals. Beyond the
orbit of Mars, the gravitational perturbation of the giant planet
Jupiter prevented the formation of a planet-sized body by disrupting the
orbits of many of these planetesimals. The remaining bodies, some of
them several hundred kilometres in size, have undergone frequent
collisions since this time and today mostly occupy the asteroid belt
between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. Asteroids are of interest for
understanding the formation process of our Solar System because they
carry information about the nature and composition of the Solar System
at an early stage of its formation. Asteroid (2867) Steins, an E-type
asteroid, is a rare type of solar system body. Only a few tens of these
asteroids have been detected.

In the results published in the 8 January issue of Science, H. Uwe
Keller and colleagues report on observations of asteroid Steins obtained
during the Rosetta flyby of 5 September 2008. This is the first time
that a close-up view of an E-type asteroid has been obtained. The
closest approach to the asteroid was at 18:38:20 UTC at a distance of
803 km. About 60 per cent of the surface was resolved during the flyby
providing a unique set of images from which a number of important
physical properties can be inferred.

Little was known about asteroid (2867) Steins when it was chosen early
in 2004 as one of the targets for a close flyby during the Rosetta
mission. At the time, it was classified as an E-type asteroid on the
basis of its visual and near-infrared spectrum and its high albedo.
Later, ground-based observations estimated a diameter of approximately
4.6 km and determined a rotation period of about 6 hours.

The new OSIRIS images show Steins to be an oblate body, resembling a
brilliant cut diamond, with dimensions of 6.67x 5.81 x 4.47 km??. Its
surface is mostly covered with shallow craters with some of the larger
craters being pitted with smaller ones. Analysis of the impact craters
reveals a deficit of small craters (those with diameter less than 0.5
km) which Keller and his colleagues attribute to surface reshaping as a
result of the Yarkovsky-O'Keefe-Radzievskii-Paddack (YORP) effect (see
footnote). The effect would have caused landslides which filled-in the
smaller craters. This is the first time that the YORP effect has been
seen in a main-belt asteroid.

Two remarkable features are clearly visible in the images obtained near
closest approach: a large, 2.1 km diameter crater located at the south
pole, and a chain of pits which extend northwards from this crater.
Taken together these features suggest that Steins was subject to a big
impact which created the large crater and caused fracturing of the
asteroid body resulting in it having a rubble pile structure. This type
of loosely-bound structure is also consistent with the YORP effect
hypothesis.

Detailed study of the OSIRIS images has also allowed Keller and his
colleagues to confirm the nature of Steins as an E-type asteroid - the
albedo and spectral characteristics are consistent with this
classification - and to demonstrate that there is no measurable surface
colour variation, which points to a homogeneous composition.

The view of Steins obtained by OSIRIS during the September 2008 flyby
with Rosetta has provided scientists with the first detailed
characterisation of this rare type of solar system body.

The results are reported in "E-type asteroid (2867) Steins as Imaged by
OSIRIS on board Rosetta" by H. U. Keller, C. Barbieri, D. Koschny, P.
Lamy, H. Rickman, R. Rodrigo, H. Sierks, M. F. A???Hearn, F. Angrilli, M.
A. Barucci, J.-L. Bertaux, G. Cremonese, V. Da Deppo, B. Davidsson, M.
De Cecco, S. Debei, S. Fornasier, M. Fulle, O. Groussin, P. J.
Gutierrez, S. F. Hviid, W.-H. Ip, L. Jorda, J. Knollenberg, J. R. Kramm,
E. K??hrt, M. K??ppers, L.-M. Lara, M. Lazzarin, J. Lopez Moreno, F.
Marzari, H. Michalik, G. Naletto, L. Sabau, N. Thomas, K.-P. Wenzel, I.
Bertini, S. Besse, F. Ferri, M. Kaasalainen, S. Lowry, S. Marchi, S.
Mottola, W. Sabolo, S. E. Schr??der, S. Spjuth, and P. Vernazza, Science,
Vol. 327. no. 5962, pp. 190 ??? 193,  8 January 2010. DOI:
10.1126/science.1179559

Footnote: The YORP effect is a phenomenon that occurs when photons from
the Sun are absorbed by a body and reradiated as infrared emission which
carries off momentum as well as heat. The loss of momentum causes a
change in the rotation rate of a small body such as an asteroid. The
resulting high spin rate of asteroid Steins could have caused material
to migrate towards the equator of the asteroid resulting in the
distinctive conical shape.

For further information:

H. Uwe Keller, OSIRIS Principal Investigator
Max-Planck-Institut f??r Sonnensystemforschung
Email: KELLERlinmpi.mpg.de

Michael K??ppers, Scientist in the ESA Rosetta Science Operations Team
and OSIRIS Co-Investigator
ESA Directorate of Science and Robotic Exploration
Email: Michael.Kuepperssciops.esa.int

Detlef Koschny, OSIRIS Co-Investigator
ESA Directorate of Science and Robotic Exploration
Email: Detlef.Koschnyesa.int



From life19maroc at yahoo.fr  Tue Jan 12 18:06:10 2010
From: life19maroc at yahoo.fr (abdelfattah gharrad)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:06:10 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] my question
In-Reply-To: <4db6997d881bf5f0b26421725cb7ac42@nep.net>
Message-ID: <911062.59987.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Salame ya sadiki Nelson,
Iam ok God thanks hope all is ok with you too and yours.
this my meaning:

when the earth and skys were attached (BIG BANG) I thought there was a connection between meteorites bathing in space and this  phenomenon it's my thought but there is a relationship. if not what is the origin of these meteorites and what kind of differentiation is based their difference from each other.

Best regards,
Abdelfattah.


--- En date de?: Mar 12.1.10, pinwalla <pinwalla at nep.net> a ?crit?:

> De: pinwalla <pinwalla at nep.net>
> Objet: Re: [meteorite-list] my question
> ?: "abdelfattah gharrad" <life19maroc at yahoo.fr>
> Date: Mardi 12 Janvier 2010, 22h31
> 
> Salame ya sadiki Abdelfattah, Blessings to you and your
> families! Help me
> exactly understand what you mean here please. I don't
> follow the
> ex-coherence. Do you mean are the earth and sky attracting
> the meteorite?
> The actual attractton of the earth (and sky) is what brings
> the meteorite
> to the earth! Choukrane, Azule, Nels
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ed to the meteorites?On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:30:14 +0000
> (GMT), abdelfattah
> gharrad
> <life19maroc at yahoo.fr>
> wrote:
> > Dear lists,
> > 
> > i would like to put this question regarding difference
> of meteorites here
> > and hope i get some answers
> > 
> > Is there a relationship between the ex-
> coherence? of the skies and earth
> > and the nature of meteorites?
> > Thanks,
> > Abdelfattah.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> >? ? ???
> > ______________________________________________
> > Visit the Archives at
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
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> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


      


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Jan 12 19:10:27 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:10:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The Earth
Message-ID: <201001130010.o0D0ARlR012323@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news167.html      

Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The Earth
Don Yeomans, Paul Chodas, Steve Chesley & Jon Giorgini
NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
January 12, 2010

[Graphic)
Trajectory of Asteroid 2010 AL30 Past Earth on January 12/13, 2010

Asteroid 2010 AL30, discovered by the LINEAR survey of MIT's Lincoln
Laboratories on Jan. 10, will make a close approach to the Earth's
surface to within 76,000 miles on Wednesday January 13 at 12:46 pm
Greenwich time (7:46 EST, 4:46 PST). Because its orbital period is
nearly identical to the Earth's one year period, some have suggested it
may be a manmade rocket stage in orbit about the Sun. However, this
object's orbit, reaches the orbit of Venus at its closest point to the
Sun and nearly out to the orbit of Mars at its furthest point, crossing
the Earth's orbit at a very steep angle, and this actually makes it very
unlikely that 2010 AL30 is a rocket stage. Furthermore, our trajectory
extrapolations show that this object cannot be associated with any
recent launch and it has not made any close approaches to the Earth
since well before the Space Age began.

It seems more likely that this is a near-Earth asteroid about 10-15
meters across, one of approximately 2 million such objects in near-Earth
space. One would expect a near-Earth asteroid of this size to pass
within the moon's distance about once every week on average.

To take advantage of this close approach, there are plans to observe it
with the Goldstone planetary radar on Wednesday evening, Jan. 12
beginning at 6:20 PST. The radar data could dramatically improve the
object's orbit and provide additional information on its size and shape.



From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 19:26:36 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cutting NWA Pallasite
Message-ID: <e51421551001121626i7fc6d362pcce80cde01778e3d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

Has anyone tried to cut a piece of the NWA pallasite fragments that
are going around right now?

I have a beautiful little specimen from Big Kahuna Meteorites (Gary
Fujihara), and I was wondering if anyone has sliced this material yet?
 Is it worth cutting?  Will it show a metal and olivine matrix like
other pallasites?  The olivines look relatively fresh, compared to
something like Huckitta, so I was thinking this material might be
pretty, if a large enough specimen was sliced.

Best regards,

MikeG


From miss_meteorite at yahoo.ca  Tue Jan 12 21:26:19 2010
From: miss_meteorite at yahoo.ca (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:26:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The
	Earth
In-Reply-To: <201001130010.o0D0ARlR012323@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <201001130010.o0D0ARlR012323@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <677685.56847.qm@web114002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello everyone - hope you all had a happy new year! 

Interesting. 

I have been wondering - what is the size of natural space objects that
the draws the line between an asteroid and a meteoroid? Could this be
considered a meteoroid? 

Regards  
 -----------
Melanie
IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09

Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get!



----- Original Message ----
From: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Meteorite Mailing List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 4:10:27 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The Earth


http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news167.html      

Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The Earth
Don Yeomans, Paul Chodas, Steve Chesley & Jon Giorgini
NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
January 12, 2010

[Graphic)
Trajectory of Asteroid 2010 AL30 Past Earth on January 12/13, 2010

Asteroid 2010 AL30, discovered by the LINEAR survey of MIT's Lincoln
Laboratories on Jan. 10, will make a close approach to the Earth's
surface to within 76,000 miles on Wednesday January 13 at 12:46 pm
Greenwich time (7:46 EST, 4:46 PST). Because its orbital period is
nearly identical to the Earth's one year period, some have suggested it
may be a manmade rocket stage in orbit about the Sun. However, this
object's orbit, reaches the orbit of Venus at its closest point to the
Sun and nearly out to the orbit of Mars at its furthest point, crossing
the Earth's orbit at a very steep angle, and this actually makes it very
unlikely that 2010 AL30 is a rocket stage. Furthermore, our trajectory
extrapolations show that this object cannot be associated with any
recent launch and it has not made any close approaches to the Earth
since well before the Space Age began.

It seems more likely that this is a near-Earth asteroid about 10-15
meters across, one of approximately 2 million such objects in near-Earth
space. One would expect a near-Earth asteroid of this size to pass
within the moon's distance about once every week on average.

To take advantage of this close approach, there are plans to observe it
with the Goldstone planetary radar on Wednesday evening, Jan. 12
beginning at 6:20 PST. The radar data could dramatically improve the
object's orbit and provide additional information on its size and shape.

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:18:30 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Auctions Ending in 20 Hours - AD
Message-ID: <E84E77C111864E24AB01067BBB6F3041@Gregor>

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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 12 22:36:50 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:36:50 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
References: <201001130010.o0D0ARlR012323@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<677685.56847.qm@web114002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <72786CDAA7C14BD39F268B694C477379@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, Melanie and List,

What defines a "meteoroid" is that some portion of
it survives entry into the Earth's atmosphere and
ends up on the surface of the Earth as a "meteorite."

So, we don't know it's a "meteoroid" until after the
whole adventure is over and done with. We can't say
a rock is a "meteoroid" while it's still in space because
we don't know the outcome yet.

On the other hand, any rock that could intersect the
Earth (or be deflected to do so) is a potential "meteoroid."
Size is not the criteria. A small asteroid (like the iron
that made Meteor Crater) is a "meteoroid" because of
all those Canyon Diablos. Whatever hit Tunguska is
NOT a "meteoroid" because nobody ever found a piece
of it.

2010 AL30 could be a "meteoroid" if it would hit and
leave a piece to be recovered. Just be very patient and
live a long time... (Always a good idea anyway.)


Sterling K. Webb
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Melanie Matthews" <miss_meteorite at yahoo.ca>
To: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>; "Meteorite Mailing List" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past 
TheEarth


> Hello everyone - hope you all had a happy new year!
>
> Interesting.
>
> I have been wondering - what is the size of natural space objects that
> the draws the line between an asteroid and a meteoroid? Could this be
> considered a meteoroid?
>
> Regards
> -----------
> Melanie
> IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>
> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know 
> what you're gonna get!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
> To: Meteorite Mailing List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 4:10:27 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The 
> Earth
>
>
> http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news167.html
>
> Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The Earth
> Don Yeomans, Paul Chodas, Steve Chesley & Jon Giorgini
> NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
> January 12, 2010
>
> [Graphic)
> Trajectory of Asteroid 2010 AL30 Past Earth on January 12/13, 2010
>
> Asteroid 2010 AL30, discovered by the LINEAR survey of MIT's Lincoln
> Laboratories on Jan. 10, will make a close approach to the Earth's
> surface to within 76,000 miles on Wednesday January 13 at 12:46 pm
> Greenwich time (7:46 EST, 4:46 PST). Because its orbital period is
> nearly identical to the Earth's one year period, some have suggested 
> it
> may be a manmade rocket stage in orbit about the Sun. However, this
> object's orbit, reaches the orbit of Venus at its closest point to the
> Sun and nearly out to the orbit of Mars at its furthest point, 
> crossing
> the Earth's orbit at a very steep angle, and this actually makes it 
> very
> unlikely that 2010 AL30 is a rocket stage. Furthermore, our trajectory
> extrapolations show that this object cannot be associated with any
> recent launch and it has not made any close approaches to the Earth
> since well before the Space Age began.
>
> It seems more likely that this is a near-Earth asteroid about 10-15
> meters across, one of approximately 2 million such objects in 
> near-Earth
> space. One would expect a near-Earth asteroid of this size to pass
> within the moon's distance about once every week on average.
>
> To take advantage of this close approach, there are plans to observe 
> it
> with the Goldstone planetary radar on Wednesday evening, Jan. 12
> beginning at 6:20 PST. The radar data could dramatically improve the
> object's orbit and provide additional information on its size and 
> shape.
>
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Tue Jan 12 22:48:29 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:48:29 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
In-Reply-To: <72786CDAA7C14BD39F268B694C477379@ATARIENGINE2>
References: <201001130010.o0D0ARlR012323@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>	<677685.56847.qm@web114002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<72786CDAA7C14BD39F268B694C477379@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <4B4D428D.2080704@meteoritesusa.com>

So given your explaination of what a "meteoroid" is. Which I have to 
admit makes since to me because the the word "meteor" implies fiery ball 
of flame which could not exist in space (aside from the sun). ;)

Aside from comets, planetoids and planetesimals, and planets, of course, 
would that mean "all" small bits of material floating around in space 
are asteroids, even down to the minuscule particle?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA



On 1/12/2010 7:36 PM, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> Hi, Melanie and List,
>
> What defines a "meteoroid" is that some portion of
> it survives entry into the Earth's atmosphere and
> ends up on the surface of the Earth as a "meteorite."
>
> So, we don't know it's a "meteoroid" until after the
> whole adventure is over and done with. We can't say
> a rock is a "meteoroid" while it's still in space because
> we don't know the outcome yet.
>
> On the other hand, any rock that could intersect the
> Earth (or be deflected to do so) is a potential "meteoroid."
> Size is not the criteria. A small asteroid (like the iron
> that made Meteor Crater) is a "meteoroid" because of
> all those Canyon Diablos. Whatever hit Tunguska is
> NOT a "meteoroid" because nobody ever found a piece
> of it.
>
> 2010 AL30 could be a "meteoroid" if it would hit and
> leave a piece to be recovered. Just be very patient and
> live a long time... (Always a good idea anyway.)
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Matthews" 
> <miss_meteorite at yahoo.ca>
> To: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>; "Meteorite Mailing 
> List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past 
> TheEarth
>
>
>> Hello everyone - hope you all had a happy new year!
>>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> I have been wondering - what is the size of natural space objects that
>> the draws the line between an asteroid and a meteoroid? Could this be
>> considered a meteoroid?
>>
>> Regards
>> -----------
>> Melanie
>> IMCA: 2975
>> eBay: metmel2775
>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>>
>> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never 
>> know what you're gonna get!
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
>> To: Meteorite Mailing List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 4:10:27 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The 
>> Earth
>>
>>
>> http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news167.html
>>
>> Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The Earth
>> Don Yeomans, Paul Chodas, Steve Chesley & Jon Giorgini
>> NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
>> January 12, 2010
>>
>> [Graphic)
>> Trajectory of Asteroid 2010 AL30 Past Earth on January 12/13, 2010
>>
>> Asteroid 2010 AL30, discovered by the LINEAR survey of MIT's Lincoln
>> Laboratories on Jan. 10, will make a close approach to the Earth's
>> surface to within 76,000 miles on Wednesday January 13 at 12:46 pm
>> Greenwich time (7:46 EST, 4:46 PST). Because its orbital period is
>> nearly identical to the Earth's one year period, some have suggested it
>> may be a manmade rocket stage in orbit about the Sun. However, this
>> object's orbit, reaches the orbit of Venus at its closest point to the
>> Sun and nearly out to the orbit of Mars at its furthest point, crossing
>> the Earth's orbit at a very steep angle, and this actually makes it very
>> unlikely that 2010 AL30 is a rocket stage. Furthermore, our trajectory
>> extrapolations show that this object cannot be associated with any
>> recent launch and it has not made any close approaches to the Earth
>> since well before the Space Age began.
>>
>> It seems more likely that this is a near-Earth asteroid about 10-15
>> meters across, one of approximately 2 million such objects in near-Earth
>> space. One would expect a near-Earth asteroid of this size to pass
>> within the moon's distance about once every week on average.
>>
>> To take advantage of this close approach, there are plans to observe it
>> with the Goldstone planetary radar on Wednesday evening, Jan. 12
>> beginning at 6:20 PST. The radar data could dramatically improve the
>> object's orbit and provide additional information on its size and shape.
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at 
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/
>>
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Tue Jan 12 22:57:13 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:57:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
In-Reply-To: <72786CDAA7C14BD39F268B694C477379@ATARIENGINE2>
References: <201001130010.o0D0ARlR012323@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<677685.56847.qm@web114002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<72786CDAA7C14BD39F268B694C477379@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <a6e79bc269072da69a4aa60ea999fc37.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Sterling:

A meteoroid is an natural object in orbit around the Sun that is smaller
than an asteroid. There has already been a discussion of what constitutes
a small asteroid and what consitutes a large meteoroid. Technically,
cometary dust particles are all meteoroids.

Also, technically, 2010 AL30 is NOT a meteoroid. It has been detected and
given an asteroid designation and is thus an asteroid, not a meteoroid.
Given the number of observations that have been made and the fact that
there may soon be some radar observations, we will never lose this object
and technically, it could even be numbered and named.

There is nothing in te definition of a meteoroid that "requires" it to be
able to survive Earth entry.

Larry

> Hi, Melanie and List,
>
> What defines a "meteoroid" is that some portion of
> it survives entry into the Earth's atmosphere and
> ends up on the surface of the Earth as a "meteorite."
>
> So, we don't know it's a "meteoroid" until after the
> whole adventure is over and done with. We can't say
> a rock is a "meteoroid" while it's still in space because
> we don't know the outcome yet.
>
> On the other hand, any rock that could intersect the
> Earth (or be deflected to do so) is a potential "meteoroid."
> Size is not the criteria. A small asteroid (like the iron
> that made Meteor Crater) is a "meteoroid" because of
> all those Canyon Diablos. Whatever hit Tunguska is
> NOT a "meteoroid" because nobody ever found a piece
> of it.
>
> 2010 AL30 could be a "meteoroid" if it would hit and
> leave a piece to be recovered. Just be very patient and
> live a long time... (Always a good idea anyway.)
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melanie Matthews" <miss_meteorite at yahoo.ca>
> To: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>; "Meteorite Mailing List"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past
> TheEarth
>
>
>> Hello everyone - hope you all had a happy new year!
>>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> I have been wondering - what is the size of natural space objects that
>> the draws the line between an asteroid and a meteoroid? Could this be
>> considered a meteoroid?
>>
>> Regards
>> -----------
>> Melanie
>> IMCA: 2975
>> eBay: metmel2775
>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>>
>> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know
>> what you're gonna get!
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
>> To: Meteorite Mailing List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 4:10:27 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The
>> Earth
>>
>>
>> http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news167.html
>>
>> Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The Earth
>> Don Yeomans, Paul Chodas, Steve Chesley & Jon Giorgini
>> NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
>> January 12, 2010
>>
>> [Graphic)
>> Trajectory of Asteroid 2010 AL30 Past Earth on January 12/13, 2010
>>
>> Asteroid 2010 AL30, discovered by the LINEAR survey of MIT's Lincoln
>> Laboratories on Jan. 10, will make a close approach to the Earth's
>> surface to within 76,000 miles on Wednesday January 13 at 12:46 pm
>> Greenwich time (7:46 EST, 4:46 PST). Because its orbital period is
>> nearly identical to the Earth's one year period, some have suggested
>> it
>> may be a manmade rocket stage in orbit about the Sun. However, this
>> object's orbit, reaches the orbit of Venus at its closest point to the
>> Sun and nearly out to the orbit of Mars at its furthest point,
>> crossing
>> the Earth's orbit at a very steep angle, and this actually makes it
>> very
>> unlikely that 2010 AL30 is a rocket stage. Furthermore, our trajectory
>> extrapolations show that this object cannot be associated with any
>> recent launch and it has not made any close approaches to the Earth
>> since well before the Space Age began.
>>
>> It seems more likely that this is a near-Earth asteroid about 10-15
>> meters across, one of approximately 2 million such objects in
>> near-Earth
>> space. One would expect a near-Earth asteroid of this size to pass
>> within the moon's distance about once every week on average.
>>
>> To take advantage of this close approach, there are plans to observe
>> it
>> with the Goldstone planetary radar on Wednesday evening, Jan. 12
>> beginning at 6:20 PST. The radar data could dramatically improve the
>> object's orbit and provide additional information on its size and
>> shape.
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/
>>
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 12 23:24:20 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:24:20 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
References: <201001130010.o0D0ARlR012323@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>	<677685.56847.qm@web114002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><72786CDAA7C14BD39F268B694C477379@ATARIENGINE2>
	<4B4D428D.2080704@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <E2F0BE5F24B14A4B88823363C7516DDE@ATARIENGINE2>

Eric and List,

"My" definition of "meteoroid" is just the standard
textbook definition. Before it hits the Earth, it's
a "meteoroid." While in fiery flight through the
atmosphere, it's a "meteor." If a piece lands on the
Earth (and somebody finds it), it's a "meteorite."

First of all, all that stuff you named is not "floating
around." It's in orbit around something. A perfectly
unremarkable "asteroid" orbiting around a planet
is a "moon," like Phobos and Deimos.

Funny thought: if the Earth's Moon did form by
hitting (grazing) the Earth, breaking up, contributing
its core to the Earth, and its mantle went back into
orbit around the Earth, isn't it a "meteoroid"? And
the material it left behind "meteorites"?

So, yes, a body too small to be round AND orbiting
the Sun is an asteroid. (If it's big enough to be round,
it's a dwarf planet, so they tell me.) Or are they "Minor
Planets"? Let me get out my IAU Nomenclature Handbook.
Hmmm... There are no "Minor Planets." (No one is
unimportant, I guess.) They are SSSB's.

There are no asteroids in the book. That term was
replaced by "Minor Planet," which has since been
replaced officially by SSSB (Small Solar System
Body). I'm still waiting for somebody to say, "Look!
It's an EssEssEssBee!"

> even down to the minuscule particle?

No. Dust is called... Lemme look it up. Dust is called
"dust." There's Interplanetary Dust, Interstellar Dust,
Zodiacal Dust, Cometary Dust, and so on.


Sterling K. Webb
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past 
TheEarth


> So given your explaination of what a "meteoroid" is. Which I have to 
> admit makes since to me because the the word "meteor" implies fiery 
> ball of flame which could not exist in space (aside from the sun). ;)
>
> Aside from comets, planetoids and planetesimals, and planets, of 
> course, would that mean "all" small bits of material floating around 
> in space are asteroids, even down to the minuscule particle?
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
>
>
>
> On 1/12/2010 7:36 PM, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
>> Hi, Melanie and List,
>>
>> What defines a "meteoroid" is that some portion of
>> it survives entry into the Earth's atmosphere and
>> ends up on the surface of the Earth as a "meteorite."
>>
>> So, we don't know it's a "meteoroid" until after the
>> whole adventure is over and done with. We can't say
>> a rock is a "meteoroid" while it's still in space because
>> we don't know the outcome yet.
>>
>> On the other hand, any rock that could intersect the
>> Earth (or be deflected to do so) is a potential "meteoroid."
>> Size is not the criteria. A small asteroid (like the iron
>> that made Meteor Crater) is a "meteoroid" because of
>> all those Canyon Diablos. Whatever hit Tunguska is
>> NOT a "meteoroid" because nobody ever found a piece
>> of it.
>>
>> 2010 AL30 could be a "meteoroid" if it would hit and
>> leave a piece to be recovered. Just be very patient and
>> live a long time... (Always a good idea anyway.)
>>
>>
>> Sterling K. Webb
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Matthews" 
>> <miss_meteorite at yahoo.ca>
>> To: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>; "Meteorite Mailing 
>> List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past 
>> TheEarth
>>
>>
>>> Hello everyone - hope you all had a happy new year!
>>>
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>> I have been wondering - what is the size of natural space objects 
>>> that
>>> the draws the line between an asteroid and a meteoroid? Could this 
>>> be
>>> considered a meteoroid?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> -----------
>>> Melanie
>>> IMCA: 2975
>>> eBay: metmel2775
>>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>>>
>>> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never 
>>> know what you're gonna get!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
>>> To: Meteorite Mailing List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 4:10:27 PM
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The 
>>> Earth
>>>
>>>
>>> http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news167.html
>>>
>>> Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The Earth
>>> Don Yeomans, Paul Chodas, Steve Chesley & Jon Giorgini
>>> NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
>>> January 12, 2010
>>>
>>> [Graphic)
>>> Trajectory of Asteroid 2010 AL30 Past Earth on January 12/13, 2010
>>>
>>> Asteroid 2010 AL30, discovered by the LINEAR survey of MIT's Lincoln
>>> Laboratories on Jan. 10, will make a close approach to the Earth's
>>> surface to within 76,000 miles on Wednesday January 13 at 12:46 pm
>>> Greenwich time (7:46 EST, 4:46 PST). Because its orbital period is
>>> nearly identical to the Earth's one year period, some have suggested 
>>> it
>>> may be a manmade rocket stage in orbit about the Sun. However, this
>>> object's orbit, reaches the orbit of Venus at its closest point to 
>>> the
>>> Sun and nearly out to the orbit of Mars at its furthest point, 
>>> crossing
>>> the Earth's orbit at a very steep angle, and this actually makes it 
>>> very
>>> unlikely that 2010 AL30 is a rocket stage. Furthermore, our 
>>> trajectory
>>> extrapolations show that this object cannot be associated with any
>>> recent launch and it has not made any close approaches to the Earth
>>> since well before the Space Age began.
>>>
>>> It seems more likely that this is a near-Earth asteroid about 10-15
>>> meters across, one of approximately 2 million such objects in 
>>> near-Earth
>>> space. One would expect a near-Earth asteroid of this size to pass
>>> within the moon's distance about once every week on average.
>>>
>>> To take advantage of this close approach, there are plans to observe 
>>> it
>>> with the Goldstone planetary radar on Wednesday evening, Jan. 12
>>> beginning at 6:20 PST. The radar data could dramatically improve the
>>> object's orbit and provide additional information on its size and 
>>> shape.
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> Visit the Archives at 
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go 
>>> to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/
>>>
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 12 23:50:28 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:50:28 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
References: <201001130010.o0D0ARlR012323@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov><677685.56847.qm@web114002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><72786CDAA7C14BD39F268B694C477379@ATARIENGINE2>
	<a6e79bc269072da69a4aa60ea999fc37.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <91ACE0B958A14BD7BEC343A176BAF365@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, Larry, List,

As usual. my definitions seems to be old and
out-of-date (appropriate). Larry is absolutely
right. The current official definition of a meteoroid
from the International Astronomical Union is
"a solid object moving in interplanetary space,
of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid
and considerably larger than an atom." The
Royal Astronomical Society has proposed a new
definition where a meteoroid is between 100 ?m
and 10 m across. The NEO definition includes
larger objects, up to 50 m in diameter, in this
category.


Sterling K. Webb
------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>; "Meteorite Mailing List" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past 
TheEarth


> Hi Sterling:
>
> A meteoroid is an natural object in orbit around the Sun that is 
> smaller
> than an asteroid. There has already been a discussion of what 
> constitutes
> a small asteroid and what consitutes a large meteoroid. Technically,
> cometary dust particles are all meteoroids.
>
> Also, technically, 2010 AL30 is NOT a meteoroid. It has been detected 
> and
> given an asteroid designation and is thus an asteroid, not a 
> meteoroid.
> Given the number of observations that have been made and the fact that
> there may soon be some radar observations, we will never lose this 
> object
> and technically, it could even be numbered and named.
>
> There is nothing in te definition of a meteoroid that "requires" it to 
> be
> able to survive Earth entry.
>
> Larry
>
>> Hi, Melanie and List,
>>
>> What defines a "meteoroid" is that some portion of
>> it survives entry into the Earth's atmosphere and
>> ends up on the surface of the Earth as a "meteorite."
>>
>> So, we don't know it's a "meteoroid" until after the
>> whole adventure is over and done with. We can't say
>> a rock is a "meteoroid" while it's still in space because
>> we don't know the outcome yet.
>>
>> On the other hand, any rock that could intersect the
>> Earth (or be deflected to do so) is a potential "meteoroid."
>> Size is not the criteria. A small asteroid (like the iron
>> that made Meteor Crater) is a "meteoroid" because of
>> all those Canyon Diablos. Whatever hit Tunguska is
>> NOT a "meteoroid" because nobody ever found a piece
>> of it.
>>
>> 2010 AL30 could be a "meteoroid" if it would hit and
>> leave a piece to be recovered. Just be very patient and
>> live a long time... (Always a good idea anyway.)
>>
>>
>> Sterling K. Webb
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Melanie Matthews" <miss_meteorite at yahoo.ca>
>> To: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>; "Meteorite Mailing 
>> List"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past
>> TheEarth
>>
>>
>>> Hello everyone - hope you all had a happy new year!
>>>
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>> I have been wondering - what is the size of natural space objects 
>>> that
>>> the draws the line between an asteroid and a meteoroid? Could this 
>>> be
>>> considered a meteoroid?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> -----------
>>> Melanie
>>> IMCA: 2975
>>> eBay: metmel2775
>>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>>>
>>> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never 
>>> know
>>> what you're gonna get!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
>>> To: Meteorite Mailing List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 4:10:27 PM
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The
>>> Earth
>>>
>>>
>>> http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news167.html
>>>
>>> Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The Earth
>>> Don Yeomans, Paul Chodas, Steve Chesley & Jon Giorgini
>>> NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
>>> January 12, 2010
>>>
>>> [Graphic)
>>> Trajectory of Asteroid 2010 AL30 Past Earth on January 12/13, 2010
>>>
>>> Asteroid 2010 AL30, discovered by the LINEAR survey of MIT's Lincoln
>>> Laboratories on Jan. 10, will make a close approach to the Earth's
>>> surface to within 76,000 miles on Wednesday January 13 at 12:46 pm
>>> Greenwich time (7:46 EST, 4:46 PST). Because its orbital period is
>>> nearly identical to the Earth's one year period, some have suggested
>>> it
>>> may be a manmade rocket stage in orbit about the Sun. However, this
>>> object's orbit, reaches the orbit of Venus at its closest point to 
>>> the
>>> Sun and nearly out to the orbit of Mars at its furthest point,
>>> crossing
>>> the Earth's orbit at a very steep angle, and this actually makes it
>>> very
>>> unlikely that 2010 AL30 is a rocket stage. Furthermore, our 
>>> trajectory
>>> extrapolations show that this object cannot be associated with any
>>> recent launch and it has not made any close approaches to the Earth
>>> since well before the Space Age began.
>>>
>>> It seems more likely that this is a near-Earth asteroid about 10-15
>>> meters across, one of approximately 2 million such objects in
>>> near-Earth
>>> space. One would expect a near-Earth asteroid of this size to pass
>>> within the moon's distance about once every week on average.
>>>
>>> To take advantage of this close approach, there are plans to observe
>>> it
>>> with the Goldstone planetary radar on Wednesday evening, Jan. 12
>>> beginning at 6:20 PST. The radar data could dramatically improve the
>>> object's orbit and provide additional information on its size and
>>> shape.
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> Visit the Archives at
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>> Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go 
>>> to
>>> http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> Visit the Archives at
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
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>
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From ad552 at mac.com  Tue Jan 12 22:54:50 2010
From: ad552 at mac.com (ad552 at mac.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:54:50 +0900
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test, please disregard
Message-ID: <111300911407912138169379771195720553845-Webmail@me.com>

Test, please disregard


From minador at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 00:33:08 2010
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:33:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Presentation in Tucson on Tuesday
In-Reply-To: <894ECFA6-2A40-4242-9443-14E54DA5BB9D@notkin.net>
References: <894ECFA6-2A40-4242-9443-14E54DA5BB9D@notkin.net>
Message-ID: <430695.21723.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Great job Geoff (and Suzanne and Lisa Marie too)!!!

My buddy and I had a great time.? He's pretty fired up about meteorites now.? It was nice to see Twink, Bones and a few others (and meet some list members for the first time in person!).? I think quite a bit of interest was generated!? I received tons of?questions from the folks at?my table and a few asked about the show and related events.? Can't wait for the premier!? Keep up the great work you guys!

Mark B.
Vail, AZ



----- Original Message ----
From: Notkin <geoking at notkin.net>
To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 3:57:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Presentation in Tucson on Tuesday

Dear Listees:

I'd like to extend an invitation to those of you in and around Tucson to join me for a special event next week.

This coming Tuesday, January 12, at 6 pm, I am very honored to be the guest speaker at the Flandrau Science Center's "Science Cafe." This is part of an ongoing educational series organized by the Flandrau. Free and open to the public, it is held at the Cushing Street Bar & Grill -- a charming restaurant very close to the TCC. The Flandrau says: "A science caf? is a casual forum for people to meet and discuss a particular science topic with a scientist in the relaxed atmosphere of a local restaurant."

I will be giving a short talk about meteorites, meteorite hunting, and the making of our "Meteorite Men" TV series, followed by a question and answer session. Food and drinks are available for purchase. I'll also be bringing along some favorite meteorite specimens for the audience to look at.

Details:

http://www.uasciencecenter.org

-- and --

http://www.uasciencecenter.org/2010/01/08/science-cafe-meteorite-hunters-investigate-the-science-of-rocks-from-space


Hope to see some of you there. It should be fun! Please email me off-List if you need any further information.


Respectfully,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.meteoritemen.com
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www.meteoriteblog.org
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From pshugar at clearwire.net  Wed Jan 13 00:33:47 2010
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:33:47 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
References: <201001130010.o0D0ARlR012323@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov><677685.56847.qm@web114002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><72786CDAA7C14BD39F268B694C477379@ATARIENGINE2><a6e79bc269072da69a4aa60ea999fc37.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<91ACE0B958A14BD7BEC343A176BAF365@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <CEF889DD124F4B9BB5CD4EA1BB3F0710@laptop>

So if an object hit the earth (it must by definition be a meteorite
as it made it thru the atmosphere and into contact with the earth).
Does this make our Moon (or portions of it) meteorites?
I don't think it will fit on my bookshelf but I'd kill to own a piece of 
that
meteorite.
Pete IMCA 1733


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
To: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
Cc: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>; "Meteorite Mailing List" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past 
TheEarth


Hi, Larry, List,

As usual. my definitions seems to be old and
out-of-date (appropriate). Larry is absolutely
right. The current official definition of a meteoroid
from the International Astronomical Union is
"a solid object moving in interplanetary space,
of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid
and considerably larger than an atom." The
Royal Astronomical Society has proposed a new
definition where a meteoroid is between 100 ?m
and 10 m across. The NEO definition includes
larger objects, up to 50 m in diameter, in this
category.


Sterling K. Webb
------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>; "Meteorite Mailing List"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past
TheEarth


> Hi Sterling:
>
> A meteoroid is an natural object in orbit around the Sun that is smaller
> than an asteroid. There has already been a discussion of what constitutes
> a small asteroid and what consitutes a large meteoroid. Technically,
> cometary dust particles are all meteoroids.
>
> Also, technically, 2010 AL30 is NOT a meteoroid. It has been detected and
> given an asteroid designation and is thus an asteroid, not a meteoroid.
> Given the number of observations that have been made and the fact that
> there may soon be some radar observations, we will never lose this object
> and technically, it could even be numbered and named.
>
> There is nothing in te definition of a meteoroid that "requires" it to be
> able to survive Earth entry.
>
> Larry
>
>> Hi, Melanie and List,
>>
>> What defines a "meteoroid" is that some portion of
>> it survives entry into the Earth's atmosphere and
>> ends up on the surface of the Earth as a "meteorite."
>>
>> So, we don't know it's a "meteoroid" until after the
>> whole adventure is over and done with. We can't say
>> a rock is a "meteoroid" while it's still in space because
>> we don't know the outcome yet.
>>
>> On the other hand, any rock that could intersect the
>> Earth (or be deflected to do so) is a potential "meteoroid."
>> Size is not the criteria. A small asteroid (like the iron
>> that made Meteor Crater) is a "meteoroid" because of
>> all those Canyon Diablos. Whatever hit Tunguska is
>> NOT a "meteoroid" because nobody ever found a piece
>> of it.
>>
>> 2010 AL30 could be a "meteoroid" if it would hit and
>> leave a piece to be recovered. Just be very patient and
>> live a long time... (Always a good idea anyway.)
>>
>>
>> Sterling K. Webb
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Melanie Matthews" <miss_meteorite at yahoo.ca>
>> To: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>; "Meteorite Mailing List"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past
>> TheEarth
>>
>>
>>> Hello everyone - hope you all had a happy new year!
>>>
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>> I have been wondering - what is the size of natural space objects that
>>> the draws the line between an asteroid and a meteoroid? Could this be
>>> considered a meteoroid?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> -----------
>>> Melanie
>>> IMCA: 2975
>>> eBay: metmel2775
>>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>>>
>>> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know
>>> what you're gonna get!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
>>> To: Meteorite Mailing List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 4:10:27 PM
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The
>>> Earth
>>>
>>>
>>> http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news167.html
>>>
>>> Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past The Earth
>>> Don Yeomans, Paul Chodas, Steve Chesley & Jon Giorgini
>>> NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
>>> January 12, 2010
>>>
>>> [Graphic)
>>> Trajectory of Asteroid 2010 AL30 Past Earth on January 12/13, 2010
>>>
>>> Asteroid 2010 AL30, discovered by the LINEAR survey of MIT's Lincoln
>>> Laboratories on Jan. 10, will make a close approach to the Earth's
>>> surface to within 76,000 miles on Wednesday January 13 at 12:46 pm
>>> Greenwich time (7:46 EST, 4:46 PST). Because its orbital period is
>>> nearly identical to the Earth's one year period, some have suggested
>>> it
>>> may be a manmade rocket stage in orbit about the Sun. However, this
>>> object's orbit, reaches the orbit of Venus at its closest point to the
>>> Sun and nearly out to the orbit of Mars at its furthest point,
>>> crossing
>>> the Earth's orbit at a very steep angle, and this actually makes it
>>> very
>>> unlikely that 2010 AL30 is a rocket stage. Furthermore, our trajectory
>>> extrapolations show that this object cannot be associated with any
>>> recent launch and it has not made any close approaches to the Earth
>>> since well before the Space Age began.
>>>
>>> It seems more likely that this is a near-Earth asteroid about 10-15
>>> meters across, one of approximately 2 million such objects in
>>> near-Earth
>>> space. One would expect a near-Earth asteroid of this size to pass
>>> within the moon's distance about once every week on average.
>>>
>>> To take advantage of this close approach, there are plans to observe
>>> it
>>> with the Goldstone planetary radar on Wednesday evening, Jan. 12
>>> beginning at 6:20 PST. The radar data could dramatically improve the
>>> object's orbit and provide additional information on its size and
>>> shape.
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> Visit the Archives at
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>> Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to
>>> http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> Visit the Archives at
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
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>
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From michael at rocksfromspace.org  Wed Jan 13 00:15:43 2010
From: michael at rocksfromspace.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:15:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 13,
	2010
Message-ID: <1296841494.520031263359743299.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Jamuary_13_2010.html



From damoclid at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 00:39:06 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:39:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
In-Reply-To: <CEF889DD124F4B9BB5CD4EA1BB3F0710@laptop>
Message-ID: <708593.98763.qm@web113603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

No need to kill anything to put some on your bookshelf other than a little (or A LOT) of dollars from your bank account. It'll certainly fit. At least these parts of it will!

http://tinyurl.com/ygmzw49


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:

> From: Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>, lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
> Cc: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>, "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:33 PM
> So if an object hit the earth (it
> must by definition be a meteorite
> as it made it thru the atmosphere and into contact with the
> earth).
> Does this make our Moon (or portions of it) meteorites?
> I don't think it will fit on my bookshelf but I'd kill to
> own a piece of 
> that
> meteorite.
> Pete IMCA 1733
> 


      


From fujmon at mac.com  Wed Jan 13 00:42:35 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:42:35 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
In-Reply-To: <708593.98763.qm@web113603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <708593.98763.qm@web113603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F4535514-89F3-4265-81E9-8B9AA3364122@mac.com>

Thanks Richard.  But it can get a little dangerous when one scrolls down the page a bit and sees the full slices of DaG 400 and NWA 482  ;^)

On Jan 12, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote:

> No need to kill anything to put some on your bookshelf other than a little (or A LOT) of dollars from your bank account. It'll certainly fit. At least these parts of it will!
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/ygmzw49
> 
> 
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA #1081
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:
> 
>> From: Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
>> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>, lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
>> Cc: "Ron Baalke" <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>, "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:33 PM
>> So if an object hit the earth (it
>> must by definition be a meteorite
>> as it made it thru the atmosphere and into contact with the
>> earth).
>> Does this make our Moon (or portions of it) meteorites?
>> I don't think it will fit on my bookshelf but I'd kill to
>> own a piece of 
>> that
>> meteorite.
>> Pete IMCA 1733
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
(808) 640-9161






From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 00:47:38 2010
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:47:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
	13, 2010
In-Reply-To: <1296841494.520031263359743299.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <466506.55736.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Great job, Pete! I'm sure the kids really enjoyed your presentation. Keep up the good work. ( You too, Michael.)

  Sincerely,
  Robert Woolard 

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Michael Johnson <michael at rocksfromspace.org> wrote:

> From: Michael Johnson <michael at rocksfromspace.org>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 13, 2010
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:15 PM
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Jamuary_13_2010.html
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From geozay at aol.com  Wed Jan 13 01:04:35 2010
From: geozay at aol.com (geozay at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 01:04:35 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
Message-ID: <16988.55c237a3.387ebc73@aol.com>




>>"My" definition of "meteoroid" is  just the standard
textbook definition. Before it hits the Earth, it's
a  "meteoroid." While in fiery flight through the
atmosphere, it's a "meteor."  If a piece lands on the
Earth (and somebody finds it), it's a  "meteorite."<<

I understood that a meteoroid is a small bodied  natural object, in a 
separate solar orbit from that of earth's. When it enters  the earths atmosphere 
and in the incandescent phase, the visible phenomena is a  meteor. 
Afterwards, during the dark phase, its no longer in a separate solar  orbit from that 
of the earth's. It has yet to hit the ground to become a  meteorite. What 
is this object called during the dark phase? I personally call  it a 
meteorite since its under the control of the earth at that point and not  
independent of the earth. Also there has been detected by various space probes  out 
around Jupiter, "meteoroids" that are too fast to be in solar orbit and thus  
of interstellar origins. Are these still called meteoroids?
GeoZay  



From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 13 01:38:32 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:38:32 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
References: <16988.55c237a3.387ebc73@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3FDA0235395B49279ACF630267CD55A7@ATARIENGINE2>

The only objects I know of that are moving
faster than the local escape velocity of the
solar system (and hence must be from outside
our solar system) are a small percentage of
the "meteoroids" detected by AMOR radar
systems. But they're so small they're usually
referred to as "dust" or "micrometeoroids,"
although the largest particles are at about
100 microns and might be called small
meteoroids by some.

About 25% of the hypervelocity dust particles
detected by radar are centered on beta Pictoris,
a nearby star with a huge protoplanetary (?)
dust disc, and it is reasonably assumed they
came from there.

This demonstrates that there is an ongoing transfer
of small amounts of fine, dusty material between
different stellar systems, a notion fraught with
possibilities...


Sterling K. Webb
---------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <geozay at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past 
TheEarth


>
>
>
>>>"My" definition of "meteoroid" is  just the standard
> textbook definition. Before it hits the Earth, it's
> a  "meteoroid." While in fiery flight through the
> atmosphere, it's a "meteor."  If a piece lands on the
> Earth (and somebody finds it), it's a  "meteorite."<<
>
> I understood that a meteoroid is a small bodied  natural object, in a
> separate solar orbit from that of earth's. When it enters  the earths 
> atmosphere
> and in the incandescent phase, the visible phenomena is a  meteor.
> Afterwards, during the dark phase, its no longer in a separate solar 
> orbit from that
> of the earth's. It has yet to hit the ground to become a  meteorite. 
> What
> is this object called during the dark phase? I personally call  it a
> meteorite since its under the control of the earth at that point and 
> not
> independent of the earth. Also there has been detected by various 
> space probes  out
> around Jupiter, "meteoroids" that are too fast to be in solar orbit 
> and thus
> of interstellar origins. Are these still called meteoroids?
> GeoZay
>
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 01:49:15 2010
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:49:15 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
In-Reply-To: <16988.55c237a3.387ebc73@aol.com>
References: <16988.55c237a3.387ebc73@aol.com>
Message-ID: <93aaac891001122249t72bd96acj43d9dcd9aa8c1bc3@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Sterling, Larry, All,
Interesting - there's another problem with Sterling's initial
definition, of which the following statement was a component:

"2010 AL30 could be a "meteoroid" if it would hit and
leave a piece to be recovered. Just be very patient and
live a long time... (Always a good idea anyway.)"

As per that definition, though, there's a problem when it comes to
single crater-forming meteorites that don't leave pieces to be
recovered.  Yes, they hit the earth, but if they can't be recovered in
any way, can they really be called meteorites (because they don't
technically produce recoverable 'meteorites')?

Admittedly that argument is only a problem if we're using the outdated
version of the definition, but it raises another question.

If an interplanetary object does strike the surface of the earth - and
vaporizes upon impact, is it still considered a meteorite?
Are craters formed by meteorites?  Asteroids?  I assume a meteoroid
wouldn't be large enough to vaporize itself on impact, but even the
faintest of shooting stars produce dust particles which will
eventually reach the ground.
- So there's a minimum size limit on "meteorites" - they must be
larger than the dust produced by fireballs themselves (apparently),
but as for crater-forming bodies...I've always simply called them
meteorites because, well, in my mind, they've struck the surface of
the earth, so they're meteorites.
Trouble arises if the language of the currently used definition is
specific enough to note that for a meteorite to be a meteorite,
fragments must be recoverable.  And if that's the case, then many
craters were in fact formed by...Asteroids?  This definition would
also change on individual crater's with time, as older craters might
have arrived with recoverable fragments, but such pieces could have
since been lost to time and weathering (craters generally outlast
meteorite fragments, after all).

So...yeah.  A few problems.
Any thoughts?

Regards,
Jason

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM,  <geozay at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>"My" definition of "meteoroid" is ?just the standard
> textbook definition. Before it hits the Earth, it's
> a ?"meteoroid." While in fiery flight through the
> atmosphere, it's a "meteor." ?If a piece lands on the
> Earth (and somebody finds it), it's a ?"meteorite."<<
>
> I understood that a meteoroid is a small bodied ?natural object, in a
> separate solar orbit from that of earth's. When it enters ?the earths atmosphere
> and in the incandescent phase, the visible phenomena is a ?meteor.
> Afterwards, during the dark phase, its no longer in a separate solar ?orbit from that
> of the earth's. It has yet to hit the ground to become a ?meteorite. What
> is this object called during the dark phase? I personally call ?it a
> meteorite since its under the control of the earth at that point and not
> independent of the earth. Also there has been detected by various space probes ?out
> around Jupiter, "meteoroids" that are too fast to be in solar orbit and thus
> of interstellar origins. Are these still called meteoroids?
> GeoZay
>
> ______________________________________________
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 13 02:14:29 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 01:14:29 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
References: <16988.55c237a3.387ebc73@aol.com>
	<93aaac891001122249t72bd96acj43d9dcd9aa8c1bc3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3DF617D65C27491AA82552DA139251B2@ATARIENGINE2>

Just to make things even more confusing,
the IAU itself has approved the use of the
term "meteor" in a dual sense to include the
physical body itself, thus equating "meteoroid"
with "meteor."

Say what?

Bob Verrish wrote an article about it:
http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2008/mar08.htm

I quote the IAU:

Definition of terms by the IAU Commission 22, 1961.

A. meteor: in particular, the light phenomenon which results
from the entry into the Earth's atmosphere of a solid particle
from space; more generally, as a noun or an adjective, ANY
PHYSICAL OBJECT or phenomenon associated with such
an event.

B. meteoroid: a solid object moving in interplanetary space,
of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid and considerably
larger than an atom or molecule.

C. meteorite: any object defined under B which has reached
the surface of the Earth without being completely vaporized.

D. meteoric: the adjectival form pertaining to definitions A and B.

E. meteoritic: the adjectival form pertaining to definition C.

F. fireball: a bright meteor with luminosity which equals or
exceeds that of the brightest planets.

G. micrometeorite: a very small meteorite or meteoritic particle
with a diameter in general less than a millimeter.

Now, is everything perfectly clear?

I didn't think so...


Sterling K. Webb
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past 
TheEarth


Hello Sterling, Larry, All,
Interesting - there's another problem with Sterling's initial
definition, of which the following statement was a component:

"2010 AL30 could be a "meteoroid" if it would hit and
leave a piece to be recovered. Just be very patient and
live a long time... (Always a good idea anyway.)"

As per that definition, though, there's a problem when it comes to
single crater-forming meteorites that don't leave pieces to be
recovered.  Yes, they hit the earth, but if they can't be recovered in
any way, can they really be called meteorites (because they don't
technically produce recoverable 'meteorites')?

Admittedly that argument is only a problem if we're using the outdated
version of the definition, but it raises another question.

If an interplanetary object does strike the surface of the earth - and
vaporizes upon impact, is it still considered a meteorite?
Are craters formed by meteorites?  Asteroids?  I assume a meteoroid
wouldn't be large enough to vaporize itself on impact, but even the
faintest of shooting stars produce dust particles which will
eventually reach the ground.
- So there's a minimum size limit on "meteorites" - they must be
larger than the dust produced by fireballs themselves (apparently),
but as for crater-forming bodies...I've always simply called them
meteorites because, well, in my mind, they've struck the surface of
the earth, so they're meteorites.
Trouble arises if the language of the currently used definition is
specific enough to note that for a meteorite to be a meteorite,
fragments must be recoverable.  And if that's the case, then many
craters were in fact formed by...Asteroids?  This definition would
also change on individual crater's with time, as older craters might
have arrived with recoverable fragments, but such pieces could have
since been lost to time and weathering (craters generally outlast
meteorite fragments, after all).

So...yeah.  A few problems.
Any thoughts?

Regards,
Jason

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM,  <geozay at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>"My" definition of "meteoroid" is just the standard
> textbook definition. Before it hits the Earth, it's
> a "meteoroid." While in fiery flight through the
> atmosphere, it's a "meteor." If a piece lands on the
> Earth (and somebody finds it), it's a "meteorite."<<
>
> I understood that a meteoroid is a small bodied natural object, in a
> separate solar orbit from that of earth's. When it enters the earths 
> atmosphere
> and in the incandescent phase, the visible phenomena is a meteor.
> Afterwards, during the dark phase, its no longer in a separate solar 
> orbit from that
> of the earth's. It has yet to hit the ground to become a meteorite. 
> What
> is this object called during the dark phase? I personally call it a
> meteorite since its under the control of the earth at that point and 
> not
> independent of the earth. Also there has been detected by various 
> space probes out
> around Jupiter, "meteoroids" that are too fast to be in solar orbit 
> and thus
> of interstellar origins. Are these still called meteoroids?
> GeoZay
>
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at 
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Jan 13 02:49:47 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:49:47 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
In-Reply-To: <3DF617D65C27491AA82552DA139251B2@ATARIENGINE2>
References: <16988.55c237a3.387ebc73@aol.com>	<93aaac891001122249t72bd96acj43d9dcd9aa8c1bc3@mail.gmail.com>
	<3DF617D65C27491AA82552DA139251B2@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <4B4D7B1B.9070802@meteoritesusa.com>

This is what happens when you get too many smart people in a room together.

Regards,
Eric


A meteor can be both a meteoroid and meteor while traveling through the 
atmosphere.

On 1/12/2010 11:14 PM, Sterling K. Webb wrote:
> Just to make things even more confusing,
> the IAU itself has approved the use of the
> term "meteor" in a dual sense to include the
> physical body itself, thus equating "meteoroid"
> with "meteor."
>
> Say what?
>
> Bob Verrish wrote an article about it:
> http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2008/mar08.htm
>
> I quote the IAU:
>
> Definition of terms by the IAU Commission 22, 1961.
>
> A. meteor: in particular, the light phenomenon which results
> from the entry into the Earth's atmosphere of a solid particle
> from space; more generally, as a noun or an adjective, ANY
> PHYSICAL OBJECT or phenomenon associated with such
> an event.
>
> B. meteoroid: a solid object moving in interplanetary space,
> of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid and considerably
> larger than an atom or molecule.
>
> C. meteorite: any object defined under B which has reached
> the surface of the Earth without being completely vaporized.
>
> D. meteoric: the adjectival form pertaining to definitions A and B.
>
> E. meteoritic: the adjectival form pertaining to definition C.
>
> F. fireball: a bright meteor with luminosity which equals or
> exceeds that of the brightest planets.
>
> G. micrometeorite: a very small meteorite or meteoritic particle
> with a diameter in general less than a millimeter.
>
> Now, is everything perfectly clear?
>
> I didn't think so...
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past 
> TheEarth
>
>
> Hello Sterling, Larry, All,
> Interesting - there's another problem with Sterling's initial
> definition, of which the following statement was a component:
>
> "2010 AL30 could be a "meteoroid" if it would hit and
> leave a piece to be recovered. Just be very patient and
> live a long time... (Always a good idea anyway.)"
>
> As per that definition, though, there's a problem when it comes to
> single crater-forming meteorites that don't leave pieces to be
> recovered.  Yes, they hit the earth, but if they can't be recovered in
> any way, can they really be called meteorites (because they don't
> technically produce recoverable 'meteorites')?
>
> Admittedly that argument is only a problem if we're using the outdated
> version of the definition, but it raises another question.
>
> If an interplanetary object does strike the surface of the earth - and
> vaporizes upon impact, is it still considered a meteorite?
> Are craters formed by meteorites?  Asteroids?  I assume a meteoroid
> wouldn't be large enough to vaporize itself on impact, but even the
> faintest of shooting stars produce dust particles which will
> eventually reach the ground.
> - So there's a minimum size limit on "meteorites" - they must be
> larger than the dust produced by fireballs themselves (apparently),
> but as for crater-forming bodies...I've always simply called them
> meteorites because, well, in my mind, they've struck the surface of
> the earth, so they're meteorites.
> Trouble arises if the language of the currently used definition is
> specific enough to note that for a meteorite to be a meteorite,
> fragments must be recoverable.  And if that's the case, then many
> craters were in fact formed by...Asteroids?  This definition would
> also change on individual crater's with time, as older craters might
> have arrived with recoverable fragments, but such pieces could have
> since been lost to time and weathering (craters generally outlast
> meteorite fragments, after all).
>
> So...yeah.  A few problems.
> Any thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM, <geozay at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> "My" definition of "meteoroid" is just the standard
>> textbook definition. Before it hits the Earth, it's
>> a "meteoroid." While in fiery flight through the
>> atmosphere, it's a "meteor." If a piece lands on the
>> Earth (and somebody finds it), it's a "meteorite."<<
>>
>> I understood that a meteoroid is a small bodied natural object, in a
>> separate solar orbit from that of earth's. When it enters the earths 
>> atmosphere
>> and in the incandescent phase, the visible phenomena is a meteor.
>> Afterwards, during the dark phase, its no longer in a separate solar 
>> orbit from that
>> of the earth's. It has yet to hit the ground to become a meteorite. What
>> is this object called during the dark phase? I personally call it a
>> meteorite since its under the control of the earth at that point and not
>> independent of the earth. Also there has been detected by various 
>> space probes out
>> around Jupiter, "meteoroids" that are too fast to be in solar orbit 
>> and thus
>> of interstellar origins. Are these still called meteoroids?
>> GeoZay
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at 
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Wed Jan 13 07:02:57 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:02:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
In-Reply-To: <3DF617D65C27491AA82552DA139251B2@ATARIENGINE2>
References: <16988.55c237a3.387ebc73@aol.com>
	<93aaac891001122249t72bd96acj43d9dcd9aa8c1bc3@mail.gmail.com>
	<3DF617D65C27491AA82552DA139251B2@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <a653634c09169524f6ea57162d705f83.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi all again:

Those who study impacts on Earth and other bodies tend to use the terms
impactors and bolides for the things that make holes in the ground but too
big leave any meteorite. This gets around the asteroid/comet problem.

I just got this from WIkipedia (same article that Sterling used?:

"Bolide:

The word bolide comes from the Greek ?????, (bolis) which can mean a
missile or to flash. The IAU has no official definition of bolide and
generally considers the term synonymous with fireball. The bolide term is
generally used for fireballs reaching magnitude -14 or brighter.[8] The
term is more often used among geologists than astronomers where it means a
very large impactor. For example, the USGS uses the term to mean a generic
large crater-forming projectile "to imply that we do not know the precise
nature of the impacting body ... whether it is a rocky or metallic
asteroid, or an icy comet,... Astronomers tend to use the term to mean an
exceptionally bright fireball, particularly one that explodes (sometimes
called a detonating fireball)."

I do not remember in all the emails I read this morning someone asking
about the dark phase. Since the definition of a meteoroid is an object in
an independent orbit aroung the Sun, once it is in the dark phase, it is
no longer in an independent orbit and is probably going to survive and so
might as well be called a meteorite. I have always said that the rocky bit
that causes a meteor is a meteoroid (which we cannot see).

I tell kids that if you can see the thing that is causing the
meteor/fireball---duck!

Now, since I have not had my morning coffee (mentioned this to Sterling),
the problem with the IAU definition is that it states that a "meteoriod is
significantly smaller than an asteroid." If that is true, what is between
a large meteoroid and a small asteroid? A dwarf asteroid (sorry, need my
coffee)!

Now, in support of the IAU and my concern with the proposed Royal
Astronomical Society definition is that we are observing things smaller
than 10 meters and those are given asteroid designations, they are
asteroids. There is no IAU meteroid nomenclature committee!

I think that you need the line between large meteoroid and small asteroid
to be left "fuzzy." Define a meteoriod as up to 10 meters, but if it is
close enough to the Earth and it gets detected and given a designaton/name
then it becomes (reclassified as) an asteroid. This makes sense from the
perspective that, when we learn more about something, its designation can
change (such as large Trans Neptunian Objects becoming dwarf planets as
our knowledge of them increases).

Enough said before my first shot of caffeine.

Larry



> Just to make things even more confusing,
> the IAU itself has approved the use of the
> term "meteor" in a dual sense to include the
> physical body itself, thus equating "meteoroid"
> with "meteor."
>
> Say what?
>
> Bob Verrish wrote an article about it:
> http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2008/mar08.htm
>
> I quote the IAU:
>
> Definition of terms by the IAU Commission 22, 1961.
>
> A. meteor: in particular, the light phenomenon which results
> from the entry into the Earth's atmosphere of a solid particle
> from space; more generally, as a noun or an adjective, ANY
> PHYSICAL OBJECT or phenomenon associated with such
> an event.
>
> B. meteoroid: a solid object moving in interplanetary space,
> of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid and considerably
> larger than an atom or molecule.
>
> C. meteorite: any object defined under B which has reached
> the surface of the Earth without being completely vaporized.
>
> D. meteoric: the adjectival form pertaining to definitions A and B.
>
> E. meteoritic: the adjectival form pertaining to definition C.
>
> F. fireball: a bright meteor with luminosity which equals or
> exceeds that of the brightest planets.
>
> G. micrometeorite: a very small meteorite or meteoritic particle
> with a diameter in general less than a millimeter.
>
> Now, is everything perfectly clear?
>
> I didn't think so...
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past
> TheEarth
>
>
> Hello Sterling, Larry, All,
> Interesting - there's another problem with Sterling's initial
> definition, of which the following statement was a component:
>
> "2010 AL30 could be a "meteoroid" if it would hit and
> leave a piece to be recovered. Just be very patient and
> live a long time... (Always a good idea anyway.)"
>
> As per that definition, though, there's a problem when it comes to
> single crater-forming meteorites that don't leave pieces to be
> recovered.  Yes, they hit the earth, but if they can't be recovered in
> any way, can they really be called meteorites (because they don't
> technically produce recoverable 'meteorites')?
>
> Admittedly that argument is only a problem if we're using the outdated
> version of the definition, but it raises another question.
>
> If an interplanetary object does strike the surface of the earth - and
> vaporizes upon impact, is it still considered a meteorite?
> Are craters formed by meteorites?  Asteroids?  I assume a meteoroid
> wouldn't be large enough to vaporize itself on impact, but even the
> faintest of shooting stars produce dust particles which will
> eventually reach the ground.
> - So there's a minimum size limit on "meteorites" - they must be
> larger than the dust produced by fireballs themselves (apparently),
> but as for crater-forming bodies...I've always simply called them
> meteorites because, well, in my mind, they've struck the surface of
> the earth, so they're meteorites.
> Trouble arises if the language of the currently used definition is
> specific enough to note that for a meteorite to be a meteorite,
> fragments must be recoverable.  And if that's the case, then many
> craters were in fact formed by...Asteroids?  This definition would
> also change on individual crater's with time, as older craters might
> have arrived with recoverable fragments, but such pieces could have
> since been lost to time and weathering (craters generally outlast
> meteorite fragments, after all).
>
> So...yeah.  A few problems.
> Any thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM,  <geozay at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>"My" definition of "meteoroid" is just the standard
>> textbook definition. Before it hits the Earth, it's
>> a "meteoroid." While in fiery flight through the
>> atmosphere, it's a "meteor." If a piece lands on the
>> Earth (and somebody finds it), it's a "meteorite."<<
>>
>> I understood that a meteoroid is a small bodied natural object, in a
>> separate solar orbit from that of earth's. When it enters the earths
>> atmosphere
>> and in the incandescent phase, the visible phenomena is a meteor.
>> Afterwards, during the dark phase, its no longer in a separate solar
>> orbit from that
>> of the earth's. It has yet to hit the ground to become a meteorite.
>> What
>> is this object called during the dark phase? I personally call it a
>> meteorite since its under the control of the earth at that point and
>> not
>> independent of the earth. Also there has been detected by various
>> space probes out
>> around Jupiter, "meteoroids" that are too fast to be in solar orbit
>> and thus
>> of interstellar origins. Are these still called meteoroids?
>> GeoZay
>>
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From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk  Wed Jan 13 09:56:56 2010
From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:56:56 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy New Year
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Dear List Members

A New Year, but not a new decade, and there are so many things to look forward to - hopefully. Anyway I would like to take this opportunity to wish all list members, whoever they are and wherever they may be, believer or non-believer and very happy and prosperous New Year. I know this is a bit late, but I have only just got back from an extended period of leave and I am just beginning to clear my nearly one thousand e-mails from my inbox - mostly from the list! But hey, in all the dust and rubbish on the floor, a few diamonds always shine through.
 
Have a great 2010 (or whatever year it is with you)

Peter Davidson
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?
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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Wed Jan 13 09:58:41 2010
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:58:41 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
References: <16988.55c237a3.387ebc73@aol.com><93aaac891001122249t72bd96acj43d9dcd9aa8c1bc3@mail.gmail.com>
	<3DF617D65C27491AA82552DA139251B2@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <9B01953CCAD74395A5C5C8EAEBB04FC5@bellatrix>

It's seldom confusing in practice, since the context almost always makes
clear what is actually under discussion. I'm pretty consistent in my own
usage: the body before and during its incandescent (meteor) phase is a
meteoroid, and after its incandescent phase is a meteorite (thus, a
meteorite during its cold fall).

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>; "Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past 
TheEarth


> Just to make things even more confusing,
> the IAU itself has approved the use of the
> term "meteor" in a dual sense to include the
> physical body itself, thus equating "meteoroid"
> with "meteor."
>
> Say what?
>
> Bob Verrish wrote an article about it:
> http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2008/mar08.htm
>
> I quote the IAU:
>
> Definition of terms by the IAU Commission 22, 1961.
>
> A. meteor: in particular, the light phenomenon which results
> from the entry into the Earth's atmosphere of a solid particle
> from space; more generally, as a noun or an adjective, ANY
> PHYSICAL OBJECT or phenomenon associated with such
> an event.
>
> B. meteoroid: a solid object moving in interplanetary space,
> of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid and considerably
> larger than an atom or molecule.
>
> C. meteorite: any object defined under B which has reached
> the surface of the Earth without being completely vaporized.
>
> D. meteoric: the adjectival form pertaining to definitions A and B.
>
> E. meteoritic: the adjectival form pertaining to definition C.
>
> F. fireball: a bright meteor with luminosity which equals or
> exceeds that of the brightest planets.
>
> G. micrometeorite: a very small meteorite or meteoritic particle
> with a diameter in general less than a millimeter.
>
> Now, is everything perfectly clear?
>
> I didn't think so...




From geozay at aol.com  Wed Jan 13 10:39:05 2010
From: geozay at aol.com (geozay at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:39:05 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
Message-ID: <25ebb.52fc448e.387f4319@aol.com>



>>The only objects I know of that are  moving
faster than the local escape velocity of the
solar system (and  hence must be from outside
our solar system) are a small percentage of
the  "meteoroids" detected by AMOR radar
systems. But they're so small they're  usually
referred to as "dust" or "micrometeoroids,"
although the largest  particles are at about
100 microns and might be called small
meteoroids by  some.<<

I'm not sure where all my original sources were from. Below  is what I 
wrote down in my notes about 12 years ago. 
>> The fastest  geocentric velocity a meteor can have while in solar orbit 
is 72 km/s (45 mps).  Visually a meteor at this speed appears to be a very 
fast streak.  From a  1948 - 1950 Canadian Radio survey, it has been learned 
that less than 1 percent  of all meteors were traveling faster than the 
established 72 km/s solar speed  limit. Of these that were traveling at apparent 
hyperbolic speeds, none were  traveling faster than 80 km/s. As the survey 
noted, this excessive solar speed  is within the realms of being measurement 
errors. But in recent years,  additional research has been done that 
indicates the Canadian survey was  relatively accurate. The Christchurch (New 
Zealand) meteor radar AMOR(Advanced  Meteor Orbit Radar) has also yielded about 
1% of meteoroids having an  atmospheric speed in excess of 100 km/s. In 
addition, the Ulysses space probe  dust detector has in 1994, discovered 
interstellar grains in the outer solar  system at about 5 AU, having hyperbolic 
trajectories. This mean it?s traveling  too fast to stay in orbit around the 
sun.<<

GeoZay  


From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 10:51:38 2010
From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:51:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
	13, 2010
In-Reply-To: <1296841494.520031263359743299.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>
References: <1296841494.520031263359743299.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <773929.69262.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Keep up the great work Pete. With more people doing stuff like that we will undoubtedly have more members in the meteorite community when all these kids grow up. Some may even find some new finds due to the education of people like you. Good job Pete.
Best,
Joe Kerchner
http://illinoismeteorites.com
http://skyrockcafe.com



----- Original Message ----
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To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 11:15:43 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 13, 2010

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Jamuary_13_2010.html

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From fujmon at mac.com  Wed Jan 13 10:55:07 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:55:07 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Fall Stones, ebay auction Sat, Jan 16
Message-ID: <0FD7BBF4-99FE-4302-9D6E-016F9F8B0248@mac.com>

Aloha listoids,

I have some very nice complete, freshly crusted fall stones and NWA material on my http://astroday.net/meteorites4sale.html website.  Among the offerings are Bensour, Bjurbole, Claxton, Kilabo, Millbillillie, New Concord, Nuevo Mercurio, Peekskill, Pultusk, Tamdakht, Thuathe, Tuxtuac, Valera and NWA x slices and endcuts.  Offlist for sales please.

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Finally, the Big Kahuna will be in Tucson, packing stone while cruising the shows from Feb 3-6.  Hope to meet many of you there ... I'll be the one with the double-parked outrigger canoe.  'scuse me while I waterproof my rocks for the paddle over ...

Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
(808) 640-9161






From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Wed Jan 13 11:13:58 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:13:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
In-Reply-To: <9B01953CCAD74395A5C5C8EAEBB04FC5@bellatrix>
References: <16988.55c237a3.387ebc73@aol.com><93aaac891001122249t72bd96acj43d9dcd9aa8c1bc3@mail.gmail.com>
	<3DF617D65C27491AA82552DA139251B2@ATARIENGINE2>
	<9B01953CCAD74395A5C5C8EAEBB04FC5@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <41f0d6d9af402e3a33619597c05b8fdf.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Chris:

I am glad that we agree on this.

Larry

> It's seldom confusing in practice, since the context almost always makes
> clear what is actually under discussion. I'm pretty consistent in my own
> usage: the body before and during its incandescent (meteor) phase is a
> meteoroid, and after its incandescent phase is a meteorite (thus, a
> meteorite during its cold fall).
>
> Chris
>
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>; "Meteorite-list"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past
> TheEarth
>
>
>> Just to make things even more confusing,
>> the IAU itself has approved the use of the
>> term "meteor" in a dual sense to include the
>> physical body itself, thus equating "meteoroid"
>> with "meteor."
>>
>> Say what?
>>
>> Bob Verrish wrote an article about it:
>> http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2008/mar08.htm
>>
>> I quote the IAU:
>>
>> Definition of terms by the IAU Commission 22, 1961.
>>
>> A. meteor: in particular, the light phenomenon which results
>> from the entry into the Earth's atmosphere of a solid particle
>> from space; more generally, as a noun or an adjective, ANY
>> PHYSICAL OBJECT or phenomenon associated with such
>> an event.
>>
>> B. meteoroid: a solid object moving in interplanetary space,
>> of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid and considerably
>> larger than an atom or molecule.
>>
>> C. meteorite: any object defined under B which has reached
>> the surface of the Earth without being completely vaporized.
>>
>> D. meteoric: the adjectival form pertaining to definitions A and B.
>>
>> E. meteoritic: the adjectival form pertaining to definition C.
>>
>> F. fireball: a bright meteor with luminosity which equals or
>> exceeds that of the brightest planets.
>>
>> G. micrometeorite: a very small meteorite or meteoritic particle
>> with a diameter in general less than a millimeter.
>>
>> Now, is everything perfectly clear?
>>
>> I didn't think so...
>
>
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 11:44:22 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:44:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
	January	13, 2010
Message-ID: <10043884.1263401062246.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Pete and List,

Demonstrating the value and enjoyment of examining stones..instead of throwing them..Commendable!

Realizing that the inability to hear would not be a handicap to becoming a professional meteoriticist...as so far meteorites don't make a sound. Brilliant!

A big hug from an appreciative father and grandfather,

Guido 

-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Kerchner <skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jan 13, 2010 10:51 AM
>To: meteorite list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January	13, 2010
>
>Keep up the great work Pete. With more people doing stuff like that we will undoubtedly have more members in the meteorite community when all these kids grow up. Some may even find some new finds due to the education of people like you. Good job Pete.
>Best,
>Joe Kerchner
>http://illinoismeteorites.com
>http://skyrockcafe.com
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Michael Johnson <michael at rocksfromspace.org>
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 11:15:43 PM
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 13, 2010
>
>http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Jamuary_13_2010.html
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From cdtucson at cox.net  Wed Jan 13 11:41:43 2010
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:41:43 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Presentation in Tucson on Tuesday
In-Reply-To: <430695.21723.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100113114143.RDS87.578846.imail@fed1rmwml43>

I agree. Geoff was a kick and truly sick ( sick means good) and as always a pleasure to hear from. Meteorite Men Rocks. Nice finally meeting Mark as well. 
Go Geoff. 
Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


---- Mark Bowling <minador at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Great job Geoff (and Suzanne and Lisa Marie too)!!!
> 
> My buddy and I had a great time.? He's pretty fired up about meteorites now.? It was nice to see Twink, Bones and a few others (and meet some list members for the first time in person!).? I think quite a bit of interest was generated!? I received tons of?questions from the folks at?my table and a few asked about the show and related events.? Can't wait for the premier!? Keep up the great work you guys!
> 
> Mark B.
> Vail, AZ
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Notkin <geoking at notkin.net>
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 3:57:59 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Presentation in Tucson on Tuesday
> 
> Dear Listees:
> 
> I'd like to extend an invitation to those of you in and around Tucson to join me for a special event next week.
> 
> This coming Tuesday, January 12, at 6 pm, I am very honored to be the guest speaker at the Flandrau Science Center's "Science Cafe." This is part of an ongoing educational series organized by the Flandrau. Free and open to the public, it is held at the Cushing Street Bar & Grill -- a charming restaurant very close to the TCC. The Flandrau says: "A science caf? is a casual forum for people to meet and discuss a particular science topic with a scientist in the relaxed atmosphere of a local restaurant."
> 
> I will be giving a short talk about meteorites, meteorite hunting, and the making of our "Meteorite Men" TV series, followed by a question and answer session. Food and drinks are available for purchase. I'll also be bringing along some favorite meteorite specimens for the audience to look at.
> 
> Details:
> 
> http://www.uasciencecenter.org
> 
> -- and --
> 
> http://www.uasciencecenter.org/2010/01/08/science-cafe-meteorite-hunters-investigate-the-science-of-rocks-from-space
> 
> 
> Hope to see some of you there. It should be fun! Please email me off-List if you need any further information.
> 
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
> Geoff N.
> 
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From vs.petrovich at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 13:56:15 2010
From: vs.petrovich at gmail.com (Sergey Vasiliev)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:56:15 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Ebay actions with Russian books and magazines
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 13 14:24:00 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:24:00 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?windows-1252?q?=27Meteorite_Men=27_visit_Scien?=
 =?windows-1252?q?ce_Caf=E9?=
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Way to go Geoff.? See you Tucson.

Greg S.

http://wildcat.arizona.edu/news/meteorite-men-visit-science-cafe-1.1010099


'Meteorite Men' visit Science Caf?

By Luke Money

|

Published: Wednesday, January 13, 2010

Meteorite Guy

Lisa Beth Earle/Arizona Daily Wildcat

Geoffrey Notkin, science writer and professional meteorite hunter, demonstrates how to use a magnet to test if a meteorite is real during a Science Caf? talk at Cushing Street Bar and Restaurant on Tuesday. Notkin spoke about a new show he co-hosts called "Meteorite Men" and answered questions from diners eager to learn more about meteorites.

Geoffrey Notkin holds aloft a smooth, polished-looking rock in front of a packed house at the Cushing Street Bar & Restaurant in downtown Tucson on Tuesday night.

?Meteorites are my passion,? he says. ?I search the surface of the Earth for them; I collect them; I buy, sell, and trade them; I write about them; I make television documentaries about them; and sometimes I even wear one around my neck.?

Notkin, the star of ?Meteorite Men,? a new series on the Science Channel, was brought to Cushing Street to participate in Science Caf?, a monthly series of talks sponsored by the Flandrau Science Center at the UA.

According to Alexis R. Faust, the executive director of the Flandrau Center, Science Caf? is a program which seeks to foster academic discussion in an intimate setting.

?What we?re trying to do here is get people to talk with, not at, people,? Faust said.

Since its inception two years ago, Science Caf? has gathered scholars and citizens alike to discuss a wide variety of topics from arthritis to the human brain to this most recent presentation on meteorites.

Notkin works as a professional meteorite hunter with his partner Steve Arnold, who is the second of the ?Meteorite Men.? During their searches, Notkin and Arnold filmed segments about their work for several different television programs before deciding to put together a proposal for a regular series of their own. After several rejections, the series was picked up by the Science Channel and ?Meteorite Men? was born.

?I always wanted to be in television,? Notkin said. ?I thought it would be great fun with all kinds of celebrity parties I could drive to in fancy cars. In fact, I spent the last four months out in the screaming wilderness with a crew of filmmakers.?

Notkin realized his passion for meteorites at a young age after numerous childhood trips to the Geological Museum in London with his mother, where he became entranced by the Hall of Meteorites.

?I was allowed to go up to them and touch them, all the while expecting some museum guard would come up behind me and say, ?You can?t touch that, son!?? Notkin said. Notkin?s 15-minute presentation was followed by a question and answer session, which took up the majority of the allotted event time. The assembled crowd of approximately 60 people had no shortage of questions for Notkin and discussion ranged from information about his upcoming show to proof that an audience member?s meteorite was anything but.

Faust was unsurprised by the reaction.

?There?s a lot of mystique surrounding meteorites,? she said.

The Science Caf? series will continue having monthly presentations until June. The next presentation will be focused on Mars and will be held in conjunction with the Tucson Sky Center on Jan. 29. 
 		 	   		  
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Jan 13 14:52:12 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:52:12 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Proof of Life in Three Martian Rocks May Come This
	Year [POPSCI]
Message-ID: <4B4E246C.8020404@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi List,

Meteorite articles worth a read.

Popular Science Article: Proof of Life in Three Martian Rocks May Come 
This Year [POPSCI]
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-01/proof-life-three-martian-rocks-may-come-year?page=

Three Martian meteorites triple evidence for Mars life
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1001/09marslife/

Enjoy...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
www.meteoritesusa.com



From dave at fallingrocks.com  Wed Jan 13 14:59:11 2010
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:59:11 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
	13, 2010
In-Reply-To: <1296841494.520031263359743299.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>
References: <1296841494.520031263359743299.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <87378FD284004E5D925E07FFC4F9527C@meteorroom>

Love that Pete...great stuff!
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:16 AM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
13,2010

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Jamuary_13_2010.html

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From larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 15:45:52 2010
From: larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net (Larry & Twink Monrad)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:45:52 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] from Bernd who cannot post
Message-ID: <153A38D57953472FA97E9513724B7822@DFZN8X81>


Hi Pete,

Respect! My hat is off to you!!!

.. others have already said so but let me say it again:

Keep up the good work! Maybe one of these kids will one day be a number one
in the field of Meteoritics and remember how it all started many years ago 
with
*your* presentation!

All thumbs up!

Bernd 



From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Jan 13 15:56:50 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:56:50 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] =?windows-1252?q?Meteorites_USA_Article=3A_3_Mar?=
 =?windows-1252?q?s_Meteorites_Could_Contain_=93Proof_of_Life=94_Says_NASA?=
Message-ID: <4B4E3392.7000607@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi List, All,

Here's a quick article I wrote on the Mars meteorites evidence of life. 
I also threw in some videos for your viewing pleasure.

3 Mars Meteorites Could Be ?Proof of Life?
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-articles/3-mars-meteorites-could-be-proof-of-life-on-mars-says-nasa/

Enjoy...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
www.meteoritesusa.com



From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 16:04:42 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:04:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
 January	13, 2010
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-----Forwarded Message-----
>From: countdeiro at earthlink.net
>Sent: Jan 13, 2010 11:44 AM
>To: Joe Kerchner <skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com>, meteorite list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January	13, 2010
>
>Pete and List,
>
>Demonstrating the value and enjoyment of examining stones..instead of throwing them..Commendable!
>
>Realizing that the inability to hear would not be a handicap to becoming a professional meteoriticist...as so far meteorites don't make a sound. Brilliant!
>
>A big hug from an appreciative father and grandfather,
>
>Guido 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Joe Kerchner <skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Jan 13, 2010 10:51 AM
>>To: meteorite list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January	13, 2010
>>
>>Keep up the great work Pete. With more people doing stuff like that we will undoubtedly have more members in the meteorite community when all these kids grow up. Some may even find some new finds due to the education of people like you. Good job Pete.
>>Best,
>>Joe Kerchner
>>http://illinoismeteorites.com
>>http://skyrockcafe.com
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Michael Johnson <michael at rocksfromspace.org>
>>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 11:15:43 PM
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 13, 2010
>>
>>http://www.rocksfromspace.org/Jamuary_13_2010.html
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 13 17:31:20 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:31:20 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
References: <16988.55c237a3.387ebc73@aol.com><93aaac891001122249t72bd96acj43d9dcd9aa8c1bc3@mail.gmail.com><3DF617D65C27491AA82552DA139251B2@ATARIENGINE2>
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Message-ID: <0F60726254904980A1CD15C35C647681@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, Larry, Chris, List,

In many ways, this mess is about the "terms
of the trade." It is essential that those working
in a specific specialty understand what each
other mean when they discuss the subject.

The use of "the terms impactors and bolides
for the things that make holes in the ground,"
as Larry called it, makes discussion quick and
effective for those with a "planetary science"
perspective.

Chris' "meteoroid => meteor => meteorite," pretty
much the same as my first definition, is  -- yes --
non-IAU-compliant, but from the viewpoint of the
study of meteoritic fall, it is clear and effective
terminology, well understood.

Those who study "meteor showers" use the term
meteoroid as a generic for all the objects contained
within a given "meteoroid stream," even if the object
weighs many tons and is really big enough to be
technically an "asteroid." If it's in a  "meteoroid
stream," it must be a meteoroid, right?

In the real world the working vocabulary is, in
practice, determined by those that do common
work, for their own use. But it can't be a "private
language'" That's where the IAU (should) come in.
Opinions may vary on how well they do that job.

The Big Iron that made Meteor Crater is too big to
qualify for "meteoroid." It has to be called an asteroid.
Even the original body of Sikhote-Alin was too big
to be a meteoroid. So we have asteroids that make
meteorites. Even 2008 TC3 was meteoroid by size
but asteroid by designation. The entire classification
system of meteorites has as one major purpose
identifying the parent body in the "Asteroid Zone."
Tracking the origin of "meteoroids" that result in
meteorites has, so far, always traced them back to
Main Belt asteroids.

And while we often don't know the original mass of
most objects that result in found meteorites, most of
the smallish bodies we call meteoroids are too small to
result in meteorites...

It could therefore be more common to get meteorites
from asteroids, and meteoroids may not produce very
many meteorites.

Something about that terminology bothers me.


Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past 
TheEarth


Hi all again:

Those who study impacts on Earth and other bodies tend to use the terms
impactors and bolides for the things that make holes in the ground but 
too
big leave any meteorite. This gets around the asteroid/comet problem.

I just got this from WIkipedia (same article that Sterling used?:

"Bolide:

The word bolide comes from the Greek ?????, (bolis) which can mean a
missile or to flash. The IAU has no official definition of bolide and
generally considers the term synonymous with fireball. The bolide term 
is
generally used for fireballs reaching magnitude -14 or brighter.[8] The
term is more often used among geologists than astronomers where it means 
a
very large impactor. For example, the USGS uses the term to mean a 
generic
large crater-forming projectile "to imply that we do not know the 
precise
nature of the impacting body ... whether it is a rocky or metallic
asteroid, or an icy comet,... Astronomers tend to use the term to mean 
an
exceptionally bright fireball, particularly one that explodes (sometimes
called a detonating fireball)."

I do not remember in all the emails I read this morning someone asking
about the dark phase. Since the definition of a meteoroid is an object 
in
an independent orbit aroung the Sun, once it is in the dark phase, it is
no longer in an independent orbit and is probably going to survive and 
so
might as well be called a meteorite. I have always said that the rocky 
bit
that causes a meteor is a meteoroid (which we cannot see).

I tell kids that if you can see the thing that is causing the
meteor/fireball---duck!

Now, since I have not had my morning coffee (mentioned this to 
Sterling),
the problem with the IAU definition is that it states that a "meteoriod 
is
significantly smaller than an asteroid." If that is true, what is 
between
a large meteoroid and a small asteroid? A dwarf asteroid (sorry, need my
coffee)!

Now, in support of the IAU and my concern with the proposed Royal
Astronomical Society definition is that we are observing things smaller
than 10 meters and those are given asteroid designations, they are
asteroids. There is no IAU meteroid nomenclature committee!

I think that you need the line between large meteoroid and small 
asteroid
to be left "fuzzy." Define a meteoriod as up to 10 meters, but if it is
close enough to the Earth and it gets detected and given a 
designaton/name
then it becomes (reclassified as) an asteroid. This makes sense from the
perspective that, when we learn more about something, its designation 
can
change (such as large Trans Neptunian Objects becoming dwarf planets as
our knowledge of them increases).

Enough said before my first shot of caffeine.

Larry



> Just to make things even more confusing,
> the IAU itself has approved the use of the
> term "meteor" in a dual sense to include the
> physical body itself, thus equating "meteoroid"
> with "meteor."
>
> Say what?
>
> Bob Verrish wrote an article about it:
> http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2008/mar08.htm
>
> I quote the IAU:
>
> Definition of terms by the IAU Commission 22, 1961.
>
> A. meteor: in particular, the light phenomenon which results
> from the entry into the Earth's atmosphere of a solid particle
> from space; more generally, as a noun or an adjective, ANY
> PHYSICAL OBJECT or phenomenon associated with such
> an event.
>
> B. meteoroid: a solid object moving in interplanetary space,
> of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid and considerably
> larger than an atom or molecule.
>
> C. meteorite: any object defined under B which has reached
> the surface of the Earth without being completely vaporized.
>
> D. meteoric: the adjectival form pertaining to definitions A and B.
>
> E. meteoritic: the adjectival form pertaining to definition C.
>
> F. fireball: a bright meteor with luminosity which equals or
> exceeds that of the brightest planets.
>
> G. micrometeorite: a very small meteorite or meteoritic particle
> with a diameter in general less than a millimeter.
>
> Now, is everything perfectly clear?
>
> I didn't think so...
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past
> TheEarth
>
>
> Hello Sterling, Larry, All,
> Interesting - there's another problem with Sterling's initial
> definition, of which the following statement was a component:
>
> "2010 AL30 could be a "meteoroid" if it would hit and
> leave a piece to be recovered. Just be very patient and
> live a long time... (Always a good idea anyway.)"
>
> As per that definition, though, there's a problem when it comes to
> single crater-forming meteorites that don't leave pieces to be
> recovered.  Yes, they hit the earth, but if they can't be recovered in
> any way, can they really be called meteorites (because they don't
> technically produce recoverable 'meteorites')?
>
> Admittedly that argument is only a problem if we're using the outdated
> version of the definition, but it raises another question.
>
> If an interplanetary object does strike the surface of the earth - and
> vaporizes upon impact, is it still considered a meteorite?
> Are craters formed by meteorites?  Asteroids?  I assume a meteoroid
> wouldn't be large enough to vaporize itself on impact, but even the
> faintest of shooting stars produce dust particles which will
> eventually reach the ground.
> - So there's a minimum size limit on "meteorites" - they must be
> larger than the dust produced by fireballs themselves (apparently),
> but as for crater-forming bodies...I've always simply called them
> meteorites because, well, in my mind, they've struck the surface of
> the earth, so they're meteorites.
> Trouble arises if the language of the currently used definition is
> specific enough to note that for a meteorite to be a meteorite,
> fragments must be recoverable.  And if that's the case, then many
> craters were in fact formed by...Asteroids?  This definition would
> also change on individual crater's with time, as older craters might
> have arrived with recoverable fragments, but such pieces could have
> since been lost to time and weathering (craters generally outlast
> meteorite fragments, after all).
>
> So...yeah.  A few problems.
> Any thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM,  <geozay at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>"My" definition of "meteoroid" is just the standard
>> textbook definition. Before it hits the Earth, it's
>> a "meteoroid." While in fiery flight through the
>> atmosphere, it's a "meteor." If a piece lands on the
>> Earth (and somebody finds it), it's a "meteorite."<<
>>
>> I understood that a meteoroid is a small bodied natural object, in a
>> separate solar orbit from that of earth's. When it enters the earths
>> atmosphere
>> and in the incandescent phase, the visible phenomena is a meteor.
>> Afterwards, during the dark phase, its no longer in a separate solar
>> orbit from that
>> of the earth's. It has yet to hit the ground to become a meteorite.
>> What
>> is this object called during the dark phase? I personally call it a
>> meteorite since its under the control of the earth at that point and
>> not
>> independent of the earth. Also there has been detected by various
>> space probes out
>> around Jupiter, "meteoroids" that are too fast to be in solar orbit
>> and thus
>> of interstellar origins. Are these still called meteoroids?
>> GeoZay
>>
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From impactika at aol.com  Wed Jan 13 17:56:42 2010
From: impactika at aol.com (impactika at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:56:42 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>



Hello everybody,
 
I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite 
collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and 
lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little 
girls.
And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much 
happier times.
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 

Hello Anne,

today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend 
Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.

I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a 
friend.
Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
We had also other private contact and were real friends.

At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had 
so many private problems in his mind.
Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to 
come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in 
Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back 
into the car sunday afternoon.
This was the last time I saw him.

True friendship never ends..............

Hanno Strufe



From daistiho at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 13 17:59:10 2010
From: daistiho at hotmail.com (tracy latimer)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:59:10 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W52F80E9761229D299D9479CA6B0@phx.gbl>


That's terrible!? My heart goes out to his surviving family.

(not Best!)
Tracy Latimer

----------------------------------------
> From: impactika at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:56:42 -0500
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> CC: h63strufe at aol.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
>
>
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
> For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite
> collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and
> lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
> girls.
> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
> happier times.
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
> Hello Anne,
>
> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
> Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.
>
> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a
> friend.
> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
>
> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
> so many private problems in his mind.
> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
> come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
> Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back
> into the car sunday afternoon.
> This was the last time I saw him.
>
> True friendship never ends..............
>
> Hanno Strufe
>
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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 18:07:01 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:07:01 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e51421551001131507q50eed875xb73875d50070cc4e@mail.gmail.com>

This is terrible news.  My sincerest condolences go out to his family
and friends. :(


On 1/13/10, impactika at aol.com <impactika at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
> For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite
> collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and
> lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
> girls.
> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
> happier times.
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
> Hello Anne,
>
> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
> Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.
>
> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a
> friend.
> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
>
> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
> so many private problems in his mind.
> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
> come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
> Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back
> into the car sunday afternoon.
> This was the last time I saw him.
>
> True friendship never ends..............
>
> Hanno Strufe
>
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Wed Jan 13 18:09:32 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:09:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
In-Reply-To: <0F60726254904980A1CD15C35C647681@ATARIENGINE2>
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Hi Sterling:

Yes, it is not uncommon for definitions to be, unfortunately for the
general public, to be in the context of who is studying what. Cratering
people do not necessarily care what caused the impact (asteroid or comet)
other than in the modeling that includes parameters such as density, etc.

In the case of Meteor Crater, the only reason that we have meteorites
(according to the work of Melosh and others) was probably due to the
original body breaking up prior to impact. If I remember correctly, about
50% broke off the orginal body, giving us the meteorites, and 50% stayed
in one piece and made a big hole (being totally vaporized in the process).

One flaw in your example in a meteor stream is that there is nothing that
big. You may get very bright fireballs (bolides), but nothing starts out
big enough to make it to the ground. It is all small stuff (as far as we
know).

LArry

> Hi, Larry, Chris, List,
>
> In many ways, this mess is about the "terms
> of the trade." It is essential that those working
> in a specific specialty understand what each
> other mean when they discuss the subject.
>
> The use of "the terms impactors and bolides
> for the things that make holes in the ground,"
> as Larry called it, makes discussion quick and
> effective for those with a "planetary science"
> perspective.
>
> Chris' "meteoroid => meteor => meteorite," pretty
> much the same as my first definition, is  -- yes --
> non-IAU-compliant, but from the viewpoint of the
> study of meteoritic fall, it is clear and effective
> terminology, well understood.
>
> Those who study "meteor showers" use the term
> meteoroid as a generic for all the objects contained
> within a given "meteoroid stream," even if the object
> weighs many tons and is really big enough to be
> technically an "asteroid." If it's in a  "meteoroid
> stream," it must be a meteoroid, right?
>
> In the real world the working vocabulary is, in
> practice, determined by those that do common
> work, for their own use. But it can't be a "private
> language'" That's where the IAU (should) come in.
> Opinions may vary on how well they do that job.
>
> The Big Iron that made Meteor Crater is too big to
> qualify for "meteoroid." It has to be called an asteroid.
> Even the original body of Sikhote-Alin was too big
> to be a meteoroid. So we have asteroids that make
> meteorites. Even 2008 TC3 was meteoroid by size
> but asteroid by designation. The entire classification
> system of meteorites has as one major purpose
> identifying the parent body in the "Asteroid Zone."
> Tracking the origin of "meteoroids" that result in
> meteorites has, so far, always traced them back to
> Main Belt asteroids.
>
> And while we often don't know the original mass of
> most objects that result in found meteorites, most of
> the smallish bodies we call meteoroids are too small to
> result in meteorites...
>
> It could therefore be more common to get meteorites
> from asteroids, and meteoroids may not produce very
> many meteorites.
>
> Something about that terminology bothers me.
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past
> TheEarth
>
>
> Hi all again:
>
> Those who study impacts on Earth and other bodies tend to use the terms
> impactors and bolides for the things that make holes in the ground but
> too
> big leave any meteorite. This gets around the asteroid/comet problem.
>
> I just got this from WIkipedia (same article that Sterling used?:
>
> "Bolide:
>
> The word bolide comes from the Greek ?????, (bolis) which can mean a
> missile or to flash. The IAU has no official definition of bolide and
> generally considers the term synonymous with fireball. The bolide term
> is
> generally used for fireballs reaching magnitude -14 or brighter.[8] The
> term is more often used among geologists than astronomers where it means
> a
> very large impactor. For example, the USGS uses the term to mean a
> generic
> large crater-forming projectile "to imply that we do not know the
> precise
> nature of the impacting body ... whether it is a rocky or metallic
> asteroid, or an icy comet,... Astronomers tend to use the term to mean
> an
> exceptionally bright fireball, particularly one that explodes (sometimes
> called a detonating fireball)."
>
> I do not remember in all the emails I read this morning someone asking
> about the dark phase. Since the definition of a meteoroid is an object
> in
> an independent orbit aroung the Sun, once it is in the dark phase, it is
> no longer in an independent orbit and is probably going to survive and
> so
> might as well be called a meteorite. I have always said that the rocky
> bit
> that causes a meteor is a meteoroid (which we cannot see).
>
> I tell kids that if you can see the thing that is causing the
> meteor/fireball---duck!
>
> Now, since I have not had my morning coffee (mentioned this to
> Sterling),
> the problem with the IAU definition is that it states that a "meteoriod
> is
> significantly smaller than an asteroid." If that is true, what is
> between
> a large meteoroid and a small asteroid? A dwarf asteroid (sorry, need my
> coffee)!
>
> Now, in support of the IAU and my concern with the proposed Royal
> Astronomical Society definition is that we are observing things smaller
> than 10 meters and those are given asteroid designations, they are
> asteroids. There is no IAU meteroid nomenclature committee!
>
> I think that you need the line between large meteoroid and small
> asteroid
> to be left "fuzzy." Define a meteoriod as up to 10 meters, but if it is
> close enough to the Earth and it gets detected and given a
> designaton/name
> then it becomes (reclassified as) an asteroid. This makes sense from the
> perspective that, when we learn more about something, its designation
> can
> change (such as large Trans Neptunian Objects becoming dwarf planets as
> our knowledge of them increases).
>
> Enough said before my first shot of caffeine.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>> Just to make things even more confusing,
>> the IAU itself has approved the use of the
>> term "meteor" in a dual sense to include the
>> physical body itself, thus equating "meteoroid"
>> with "meteor."
>>
>> Say what?
>>
>> Bob Verrish wrote an article about it:
>> http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2008/mar08.htm
>>
>> I quote the IAU:
>>
>> Definition of terms by the IAU Commission 22, 1961.
>>
>> A. meteor: in particular, the light phenomenon which results
>> from the entry into the Earth's atmosphere of a solid particle
>> from space; more generally, as a noun or an adjective, ANY
>> PHYSICAL OBJECT or phenomenon associated with such
>> an event.
>>
>> B. meteoroid: a solid object moving in interplanetary space,
>> of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid and considerably
>> larger than an atom or molecule.
>>
>> C. meteorite: any object defined under B which has reached
>> the surface of the Earth without being completely vaporized.
>>
>> D. meteoric: the adjectival form pertaining to definitions A and B.
>>
>> E. meteoritic: the adjectival form pertaining to definition C.
>>
>> F. fireball: a bright meteor with luminosity which equals or
>> exceeds that of the brightest planets.
>>
>> G. micrometeorite: a very small meteorite or meteoritic particle
>> with a diameter in general less than a millimeter.
>>
>> Now, is everything perfectly clear?
>>
>> I didn't think so...
>>
>>
>> Sterling K. Webb
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
>> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past
>> TheEarth
>>
>>
>> Hello Sterling, Larry, All,
>> Interesting - there's another problem with Sterling's initial
>> definition, of which the following statement was a component:
>>
>> "2010 AL30 could be a "meteoroid" if it would hit and
>> leave a piece to be recovered. Just be very patient and
>> live a long time... (Always a good idea anyway.)"
>>
>> As per that definition, though, there's a problem when it comes to
>> single crater-forming meteorites that don't leave pieces to be
>> recovered.  Yes, they hit the earth, but if they can't be recovered in
>> any way, can they really be called meteorites (because they don't
>> technically produce recoverable 'meteorites')?
>>
>> Admittedly that argument is only a problem if we're using the outdated
>> version of the definition, but it raises another question.
>>
>> If an interplanetary object does strike the surface of the earth - and
>> vaporizes upon impact, is it still considered a meteorite?
>> Are craters formed by meteorites?  Asteroids?  I assume a meteoroid
>> wouldn't be large enough to vaporize itself on impact, but even the
>> faintest of shooting stars produce dust particles which will
>> eventually reach the ground.
>> - So there's a minimum size limit on "meteorites" - they must be
>> larger than the dust produced by fireballs themselves (apparently),
>> but as for crater-forming bodies...I've always simply called them
>> meteorites because, well, in my mind, they've struck the surface of
>> the earth, so they're meteorites.
>> Trouble arises if the language of the currently used definition is
>> specific enough to note that for a meteorite to be a meteorite,
>> fragments must be recoverable.  And if that's the case, then many
>> craters were in fact formed by...Asteroids?  This definition would
>> also change on individual crater's with time, as older craters might
>> have arrived with recoverable fragments, but such pieces could have
>> since been lost to time and weathering (craters generally outlast
>> meteorite fragments, after all).
>>
>> So...yeah.  A few problems.
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM,  <geozay at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>"My" definition of "meteoroid" is just the standard
>>> textbook definition. Before it hits the Earth, it's
>>> a "meteoroid." While in fiery flight through the
>>> atmosphere, it's a "meteor." If a piece lands on the
>>> Earth (and somebody finds it), it's a "meteorite."<<
>>>
>>> I understood that a meteoroid is a small bodied natural object, in a
>>> separate solar orbit from that of earth's. When it enters the earths
>>> atmosphere
>>> and in the incandescent phase, the visible phenomena is a meteor.
>>> Afterwards, during the dark phase, its no longer in a separate solar
>>> orbit from that
>>> of the earth's. It has yet to hit the ground to become a meteorite.
>>> What
>>> is this object called during the dark phase? I personally call it a
>>> meteorite since its under the control of the earth at that point and
>>> not
>>> independent of the earth. Also there has been detected by various
>>> space probes out
>>> around Jupiter, "meteoroids" that are too fast to be in solar orbit
>>> and thus
>>> of interstellar origins. Are these still called meteoroids?
>>> GeoZay
>>>
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 18:06:24 2010
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:06:24 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
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This is shocking and sad news indeed. Please give his family our deepest
sympathies. Though I never met Christian in person, I always enjoyed our
email correspondence and meteorite chats. He will be deeply missed.
 
Mike Bandli


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Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:57 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger



Hello everybody,
 
I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite 
collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and 
lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little 
girls.
And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much 
happier times.
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 

Hello Anne,

today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend 
Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.

I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a 
friend.
Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
We had also other private contact and were real friends.

At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had 
so many private problems in his mind.
Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to 
come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in 
Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back

into the car sunday afternoon.
This was the last time I saw him.

True friendship never ends..............

Hanno Strufe

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From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Wed Jan 13 18:04:54 2010
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:04:54 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <723024994-1263423888-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2006235901-@bda690.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

This is terrible news.
Christian was one of my first customers (and a very good one) in 1996. We never met in person but exchanged messages countless times. He was one of the most astute collectors I have ever know.
I will miss him.
Matt
------Original Message------
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To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Sent: Jan 13, 2010 3:56 PM



Hello everybody,
 
I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite 
collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and 
lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little 
girls.
And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much 
happier times.
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 

Hello Anne,

today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend 
Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.

I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a 
friend.
Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
We had also other private contact and were real friends.

At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had 
so many private problems in his mind.
Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to 
come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in 
Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back 
into the car sunday afternoon.
This was the last time I saw him.

True friendship never ends..............

Hanno Strufe

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Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

From geoking at notkin.net  Wed Jan 13 18:20:06 2010
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:20:06 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
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Dear Anne and List:

I was really shocked to read this news, especially since Christian  
always looked so youthful and well dressed. He was a very friendly and  
charming gentleman. My sincere condolences to the Anger family and  
Christian's many friends in Europe. What a sad loss.


Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.meteoritemen.com
www.meteoriteblog.org


From tett at rogers.com  Wed Jan 13 18:20:57 2010
From: tett at rogers.com (tett)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:20:57 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
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References: <723024994-1263423888-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2006235901-@bda690.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <4B4E5559.4070108@rogers.com>

What terrible news!  Christian and I have sold meteorites to each other 
and it was always fun corresponding with him.  I am so sorry that I have 
not been able to take up his offer of a beer in Austria during one of my 
visits there.  I have family living close by in Tirol and one day I 
would have loved to meet him in person when visiting there.

Mike Tettenborn


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> Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
> Sent: Jan 13, 2010 3:56 PM
>
>
>
> Hello everybody,
>  
> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
> For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite 
> collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and 
> lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little 
> girls.
> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much 
> happier times.
>  
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
>
> Hello Anne,
>
> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend 
> Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.
>
> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a 
> friend.
> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
>
> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had 
> so many private problems in his mind.
> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to 
> come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in 
> Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back 
> into the car sunday afternoon.
> This was the last time I saw him.
>
> True friendship never ends..............
>
> Hanno Strufe
>
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> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
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From jnbran at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 18:47:22 2010
From: jnbran at yahoo.com (Jason Phillips)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:47:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W52F80E9761229D299D9479CA6B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <937348.72128.qm@web45111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

My heart breaks for his family, they have lost a wonderful person.  I will continue to pray for them during this difficult time.

Sincerely,
Jason Phillips


--- On Wed, 1/13/10, tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: tracy latimer <daistiho at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 5:59 PM
> 
> That's terrible!? My heart goes out to his surviving
> family.
> 
> (not Best!)
> Tracy Latimer
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> > From: impactika at aol.com
> > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:56:42 -0500
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > CC: h63strufe at aol.com
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with
> very sad news.
> > For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he
> was an expert meteorite
> > collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he
> was an Engineer, and
> > lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an
> (ex)wife and two little
> > girls.
> > And I still remember when we were waltzing together in
> Ensisheim, in much
> > happier times.
> >
> > Anne M. Black
> > _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> > _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_
> (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> > Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> > _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
> >
> > Hello Anne,
> >
> > today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that
> our good friend
> > Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car
> accident and he died.
> >
> > I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not
> only a collector but a
> > friend.
> > Everybody know how much fun we had when we were
> togheter.
> > We had also other private contact and were real
> friends.
> >
> > At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich
> show, because he had
> > so many private problems in his mind.
> > Then he called me thursday evening when I was in
> Munich that he decided to
> > come. So he was with us friday evening at the
> Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
> > Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring
> some of my material back
> > into the car sunday afternoon.
> > This was the last time I saw him.
> >
> > True friendship never ends..............
> >
> > Hanno Strufe
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From darryl at dof3.com  Wed Jan 13 18:48:50 2010
From: darryl at dof3.com (Darryl Pitt)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:48:50 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <4B4E5559.4070108@rogers.com>
References: <723024994-1263423888-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2006235901-@bda690.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<4B4E5559.4070108@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <A76C5A00-9451-4178-8840-F24137284254@dof3.com>


Oh my....

Tragic news indeed.  Christian was a good man...with heartfelt  
condolences to his family.


Darryl





On Jan 13, 2010, at 6:20 PM, tett wrote:

> What terrible news!  Christian and I have sold meteorites to each  
> other and it was always fun corresponding with him.  I am so sorry  
> that I have not been able to take up his offer of a beer in Austria  
> during one of my visits there.  I have family living close by in  
> Tirol and one day I would have loved to meet him in person when  
> visiting there.
>
> Mike Tettenborn
>
>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: impactika at aol.com
>> Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
>> Sent: Jan 13, 2010 3:56 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello everybody,
>> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
>> For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert  
>> meteorite collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he  
>> was an Engineer, and lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind  
>> an (ex)wife and two little girls.
>> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim,  
>> in much happier times.
>> Anne M. Black
>> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ 
>>  (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>> Hello Anne,
>>
>> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend  
>> Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he  
>> died.
>>
>> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a  
>> collector but a friend.
>> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
>> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
>>
>> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because  
>> he had so many private problems in his mind.
>> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he  
>> decided to come. So he was with us friday evening at the  
>> Fliegerbr?u and stayed in Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped  
>> me to bring some of my material back into the car sunday afternoon.
>> This was the last time I saw him.
>>
>> True friendship never ends..............
>>
>> Hanno Strufe
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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>> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 19:11:06 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:11:06 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Haiti Relief Auction?
Message-ID: <e51421551001131611p44471e3bhac138252f112ecd6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

The extent of the devastation in Haiti is great and it makes whatever
problems most of us have pale by comparison.  If anyone is planning
some kind of relief auction or sale, I would gladly donate a few
specimens with the proceeds to go to the disaster relief.  I don't
have any high dollar pieces to donate (mostly small stuff like
micros), but anything would probably help.  I have my hands and plate
full with my wife's medical problems at the moment, so I don't have
the time to organize or host such an auction/sale, but I'll definitely
donate something.

Best regards and happy hunting,

MikeG


From freequarks at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 19:17:59 2010
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:17:59 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <822da19a1001131617v20364734p92743b7d988985d2@mail.gmail.com>

Christian was giant in our midst. I am honored to have spent time
talking with him over the years. Although I never met him in person,
our meteorite paths crossed so many times that I would routinely
consult him about historic specimens and the excitement of the hunt.

Here is a link to an Accretion Desk article where Christian and I
shared some of that excitement.

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2006/July/Accretion_Desk.htm

When the Meteorite Times published a new issue, like clockwork I would
get an email from Christian comparing notes about the specimen I
highlighted. Here is his last email to me sent three days before his
death:


December 11, 2009

Hello Martin,

Truly, a super meteorite. I love it too.

Attached is a pic of my collection specimen 9.754 grams.

Best regards,

Christian

Ing. Christian Anger
Neustiftgasse 37
A-2405 Bad Deutsch Altenburg
AUSTRIA


You were a true gentleman and scholar of our sport. I will miss you.

Good-bye Christian.

Most sincerely,

Martin Horejsi


From gmhupe at htn.net  Wed Jan 13 19:23:25 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:23:25 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FDE9A28D900E44A0964FF1F76640C640@Gregor>

I am very sad to hear this terrible news. Christian was one of the most 
pleasant people to be around, full of cheer and an ever-lasting smile. I met 
him for the first time when he attended the Tucson Show around 2002. I again 
had the pleasure to meet up with him in Ensisheim a few years ago. My most 
sincere condolences go out to his family. He will be greatly missed!

Greg Hupe


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <impactika at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Cc: <h63strufe at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:56 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger




Hello everybody,

I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite
collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and
lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
girls.
And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
happier times.

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)

Hello Anne,

today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.

I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a
friend.
Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
We had also other private contact and were real friends.

At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
so many private problems in his mind.
Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back
into the car sunday afternoon.
This was the last time I saw him.

True friendship never ends..............

Hanno Strufe

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From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 19:28:39 2010
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:28:39 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Collectors wanted in humid areas/// first come
	first served
Message-ID: <468bf6051001131628m74a7846kecb617e2d99b0bbe@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all I have 4 specially coated Brenham pallasite slices. I am
looking for collectors in very high humidity areas who normally might
stay away from pallasites because of their climate. I already have one
headed to Malaysia and would like to have some in other hi humidity
areas. The only condition is that once a month or so for the next year
or so you send me a quick email to let me know if the piece has shown
any rust. These are small slices 10 to 16 grams and will be given to
collectors in high humidity areas who are willing to send me that
email once a month.

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
     928-753-6825


From Midwest at Meteorman.org  Wed Jan 13 19:26:54 2010
From: Midwest at Meteorman.org (Timothy  Heitz)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:26:54 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Christian Anger
References: <937348.72128.qm@web45111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DA15EEF1AF504CFAB9058B5CBDF6808C@den>



Christian Anger had bought several things from me years ago.

He always had a smile of his face in every picture I seen with him

You just never know what the future holds, It makes me grateful to be alive.

I will miss seeing all the pictures he would take of the Munich meteorite 
show.

My heart goes out to his family, a great loss


Sincerely,
Tim 



From meteorites at online.nl  Wed Jan 13 19:26:49 2010
From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:26:49 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <822da19a1001131617v20364734p92743b7d988985d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
	<822da19a1001131617v20364734p92743b7d988985d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D2310126EEC4458977DC18E552A58D9@laptop>

Europe has lost a leading and highly respected collector.
Our hearts go out to the loved ones he leaves behind.

Jan & Yvonne,
Holland


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dark Matter" <freequarks at gmail.com>
To: <impactika at aol.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <h63strufe at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger


> Christian was giant in our midst. I am honored to have spent time
> talking with him over the years. Although I never met him in person,
> our meteorite paths crossed so many times that I would routinely
> consult him about historic specimens and the excitement of the hunt.
>
> Here is a link to an Accretion Desk article where Christian and I
> shared some of that excitement.
>
> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2006/July/Accretion_Desk.htm
>
> When the Meteorite Times published a new issue, like clockwork I would
> get an email from Christian comparing notes about the specimen I
> highlighted. Here is his last email to me sent three days before his
> death:
>
>
> December 11, 2009
>
> Hello Martin,
>
> Truly, a super meteorite. I love it too.
>
> Attached is a pic of my collection specimen 9.754 grams.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christian
>
> Ing. Christian Anger
> Neustiftgasse 37
> A-2405 Bad Deutsch Altenburg
> AUSTRIA
>
>
> You were a true gentleman and scholar of our sport. I will miss you.
>
> Good-bye Christian.
>
> Most sincerely,
>
> Martin Horejsi
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at 
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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From freequarks at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 19:31:13 2010
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:31:13 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Haiti Relief Auction?
In-Reply-To: <e51421551001131611p44471e3bhac138252f112ecd6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e51421551001131611p44471e3bhac138252f112ecd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <822da19a1001131631i567bcc9eq3786cf9b5da2addb@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a past model:

http://www.aerolite.org/events/meteorite-raffle.htm

-Martin



On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
<meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> The extent of the devastation in Haiti is great and it makes whatever
> problems most of us have pale by comparison. ?If anyone is planning
> some kind of relief auction or sale, I would gladly donate a few
> specimens with the proceeds to go to the disaster relief. ?I don't
> have any high dollar pieces to donate (mostly small stuff like
> micros), but anything would probably help. ?I have my hands and plate
> full with my wife's medical problems at the moment, so I don't have
> the time to organize or host such an auction/sale, but I'll definitely
> donate something.
>
> Best regards and happy hunting,
>
> MikeG
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From news at chladnis-heirs.com  Wed Jan 13 19:38:11 2010
From: news at chladnis-heirs.com (Chladnis Heirs)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:38:11 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004e01ca94b1$da3c7d40$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

It is a tragedy,
which leaves us without words.

Martin and Stefan



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
impactika at aol.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2010 23:57
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger



Hello everybody,
 
I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite 
collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and 
lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little 
girls.
And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much 
happier times.
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 

Hello Anne,

today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend 
Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.

I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a 
friend.
Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
We had also other private contact and were real friends.

At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had 
so many private problems in his mind.
Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to 
come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in 
Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back

into the car sunday afternoon.
This was the last time I saw him.

True friendship never ends..............

Hanno Strufe

______________________________________________
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http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From impactika at aol.com  Wed Jan 13 19:34:41 2010
From: impactika at aol.com (impactika at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:34:41 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger and Meteorites
Message-ID: <c2fb.58001d16.387fc0a1@aol.com>



Thank you.
Thank you for all the many emails of sympathy, I am sure that his family 
and his many friends in Germany and Austria do appreciate your thoughts.
 
For all of you who did not realluy know Christian and the collection of 
Meteorites he was very proud of, here is a quick page I put together with a 
couple pictures (thank you John K.):
 
            _www.impactika.com/canger.doc_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/canger.doc) 
 
I am sure Hanno, Mirko, Peter will have a lot more pictures they might want 
to post again.

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
http://www.imca.cc/


From marcin at meteoryt.net  Wed Jan 13 19:23:55 2010
From: marcin at meteoryt.net (Marcin Cimala)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:23:55 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F29BC9EFD88847E7A27B30EDE792D077@polandmezrd5i9>

Wow, I cant belive !!!!!!
New year and such terrible news.
I know him from many years from Ensisheim and Munich.
He was good man and excelent collector.
Its really sad.
:(


-----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
http://www.Meteoryty.pl             marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com       marcin(at)polandmet.com
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com      GSM: +48 (793) 567667
--------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------


> Hello everybody,
>
> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
> For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert 
> meteorite
> collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, 
> and
> lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
> girls.
> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
> happier times.
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
> Hello Anne,
>
> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
> Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.
>
> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but 
> a
> friend.
> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
>
> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
> so many private problems in his mind.
> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
> come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
> Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material 
> back
> into the car sunday afternoon.
> This was the last time I saw him.
>
> True friendship never ends..............
>
> Hanno Strufe
>
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at 
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 



From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Jan 13 19:47:43 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:47:43 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B4E69AF.1010600@meteoritesusa.com>

Such sad news.... Though I never had the privilege of meeting him.. My 
deepest sympathies go out to Christian's family in this hard time.

Regards,
Eric



On 1/13/2010 2:56 PM, impactika at aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
> For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite
> collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and
> lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
> girls.
> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
> happier times.
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
> Hello Anne,
>
> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
> Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.
>
> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a
> friend.
> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
>
> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
> so many private problems in his mind.
> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
> come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
> Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back
> into the car sunday afternoon.
> This was the last time I saw him.
>
> True friendship never ends..............
>
> Hanno Strufe
>
> ______________________________________________
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From vs.petrovich at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 19:54:16 2010
From: vs.petrovich at gmail.com (Sergey Vasiliev)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:54:16 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <JPELLBIMOJEBPCPOJGEBEEONCKAA.vs.petrovich@gmail.com>

Hello list,

I've got a personal email from Harald about Christian this morning...
My day was all about my memory of Christian only...

We (Christian and me) where (still are so far) about the same age...

I asked Harald: "Let me know if I can help somehow"? He didn't say a word so
far.

This auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190363386113
It was a Christian's stone I bought in Munich 2009...

Everything over $3500.00 will be transferred to...
Harald, just let me know where I should transfer the diff it in case of
sale.

Time to sleep (or try to sleep),
Sergey



From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of
impactika at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:57 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger




Hello everybody,

I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite
collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and
lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
girls.
And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
happier times.

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)

Hello Anne,

today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.

I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a
friend.
Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
We had also other private contact and were real friends.

At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
so many private problems in his mind.
Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back
into the car sunday afternoon.
This was the last time I saw him.

True friendship never ends..............

Hanno Strufe

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From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 19:56:18 2010
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:56:18 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ok I have homes for the 4 Brenham slices
Message-ID: <468bf6051001131656m30f5e337icba90989abf62282@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all I have 4 homes for the slices, Thanks to everyone who chimed
in. If you are interested in the results I might be able to set up a
list to share the results with you all. Let me know if you would like
to be on that list.

2 are from Hawaii one from Florida and one from Georiga.
-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
     928-753-6825


From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 19:59:12 2010
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:59:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] christian anger
Message-ID: <627590.57870.qm@web62008.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

hi all
my sincere condoleances to anger's family, he was a good man,
i was sleeping on my labtop and i wake up with those email;
realy sad
i realy hope his family will be ok
my sincere condoleances

aziz habibi


      


From litig8nshark at aol.com  Wed Jan 13 20:04:46 2010
From: litig8nshark at aol.com (litig8nshark at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:04:46 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <17eb5.1b00aad4.387fc7ae@aol.com>



I, too, had many dealings with Christian over  the years.  His presence in 
the meteoritic community will be greatly  missed.  My heartfelt condolences 
to all those who grieve his  loss.

Paul Martyn
Savannah, GA

In a message dated 1/13/2010  6:15:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
mail at mhmeteorites.com writes:
This is  terrible news.
Christian was one of my first customers (and a very good one)  in 1996. We 
never met in person but exchanged messages countless times. He was  one of 
the most astute collectors I have ever know.
I will miss  him.
Matt
------Original Message------
From:  impactika at aol.com
Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
To:  meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
Subject:  [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Sent: Jan 13, 2010 3:56  PM



Hello everybody,

I just received this email (below)  from Hanno, with very sad news.
For all of you who did not know Christian  Anger, he was an expert 
meteorite 
collector and a very friendly guy. In his  real life he was an Engineer, 
and 
lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves  behind an (ex)wife and two little 
girls.
And I still remember when we  were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much 
happier times.

Anne M.  Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)  
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A.  Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 

Hello  Anne,

today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend  
Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he  died.

I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a  collector but 
a 
friend.
Everybody know how much fun we had when we were  togheter.
We had also other private contact and were real friends.

At  first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had 
so  many private problems in his mind.
Then he called me thursday evening when I  was in Munich that he decided to 
come. So he was with us friday evening at  the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in 
Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to  bring some of my material 
back 
into the car sunday afternoon.
This was  the last time I saw him.

True friendship never  ends..............

Hanno  Strufe

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----------------------
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Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box  151293
Lakewood, CO 80215  USA
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From deanbessey at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 20:08:01 2010
From: deanbessey at yahoo.com (dean bessey)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:08:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <JPELLBIMOJEBPCPOJGEBEEONCKAA.vs.petrovich@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <987199.99663.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Wow. What a shock. I havent had a friend that close pass away since I was 17. Christian once gave me an ancient Roman coin that he had found himself just as a gift.
Going to be a big empty space in Ensisheim and Munich from now on thats for sure.
RIP my friend
DEAN

--- On Wed, 13/1/10, Sergey Vasiliev <vs.petrovich at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Sergey Vasiliev <vs.petrovich at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
> To: impactika at aol.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
> Received: Wednesday, 13 January, 2010, 4:54 PM
> Hello list,
> 
> I've got a personal email from Harald about Christian this
> morning...
> My day was all about my memory of Christian only...
> 
> We (Christian and me) where (still are so far) about the
> same age....
> 
> I asked Harald: "Let me know if I can help somehow"? He
> didn't say a word so
> far.
> 
> This auction:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190363386113
> It was a Christian's stone I bought in Munich 2009...
> 
> Everything over $3500.00 will be transferred to...
> Harald, just let me know where I should transfer the diff
> it in case of
> sale.
> 
> Time to sleep (or try to sleep),
> Sergey
> 
> 
> 
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On
> Behalf Of
> impactika at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:57 PM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very
> sad news.
> For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an
> expert meteorite
> collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was
> an Engineer, and
> lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife
> and two little
> girls.
> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in
> Ensisheim, in much
> happier times.
> 
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_
> (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
> 
> Hello Anne,
> 
> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our
> good friend
> Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car
> accident and he died.
> 
> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a
> collector but a
> friend.
> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
> 
> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show,
> because he had
> so many private problems in his mind.
> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich
> that he decided to
> come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u
> and stayed in
> Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of
> my material back
> into the car sunday afternoon.
> This was the last time I saw him.
> 
> True friendship never ends...............
> 
> Hanno Strufe
> 
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From searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 13 20:15:10 2010
From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net (Brian Cox)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:15:10 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
References: <mailman.73.1263428921.69335.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <93EA8E7FB5D64E52A4C7DC39464D9F84@user6e6e286533>


 Thank you Anne and Hanno for letting us know about Christian.

He was a great guy and a gentleman. He was one of the first collectors that 
I purchased meteorites from and then sold him some of mine. He was always 
pleasant and never pushy. My heart goes out to his family. I thought of him 
over the holidays and now I think back that it was probably a reminder to 
check up on him. I'm sorry I didn't contact him before.

He will be greatly missed. We have lost a great friend and a great 
collector.

Brian 



From carothersdl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 20:13:17 2010
From: carothersdl at gmail.com (dave carothers)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:13:17 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
	<4B4E69AF.1010600@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <ACC053B9BF7F44E4AF42C0015CFEDD64@your291etg47cr>

I too did not have the pleasure of knowing Christian, but he was obviously a 
kind and wonderful person.  A man with many, many friends, he will be 
missed.  My sincere condolences to his family.

Rest in Pease, Christian.

Dave Carothers

----- Original Message ----- 

On 1/13/2010 2:56 PM, impactika at aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
> For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert 
> meteorite
> collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, 
> and
> lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
> girls.
> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
> happier times.
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
> Hello Anne,
>
> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
> Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.
>
> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but 
> a
> friend.
> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
>
> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
> so many private problems in his mind.
> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
> come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
> Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material 
> back
> into the car sunday afternoon.
> This was the last time I saw him.
>
> True friendship never ends..............
>
> Hanno Strufe
>
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From icedance at swbell.net  Wed Jan 13 20:24:22 2010
From: icedance at swbell.net (Don Edwards)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:24:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <987199.99663.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <443390.85699.qm@web81601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've made a few trips through Vienna on my travels. These notes are excerpted from a 2005 trip:

"This is at least the 3rd time I've been in Vienna, so instead of taking the scheduled sight-seeing, I'm meeting friends: Christian Anger and Erich Haiderer. It's my first time to meet Christian. He picked me up at the hotel at 8AM. It is only half an hour from his home. Then we had a look at his collection (as I said it's only half an hour away from my hotel) and I met some of his family. Then we went to see some historical places from the ancient Roman Empire (Carnuntum legion camp). After lunch, we were back between 12:00 and 12:30 into Vienna and went to the NHM Vienna to see the Vienna Meteorite Collection. 

Later we met Erich and spent the rest of the day with him. When we finished our day, Christian brought me back to my hotel.  

Summary: Fantastic day. "


Unfortunately this turned out to be the only time I had to meet Christian, but I'm very fortunate to have had at least this opportunity.




From larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 20:31:21 2010
From: larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net (Larry & Twink Monrad)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:31:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <1089AFDA71FD46B2B933C96B3CA19993@DFZN8X81>

Once Jim Kriegh and I were on a shuttle van leaving the Innsuites, on our 
way to see Sylvia and Erich H. at their hotel and a smiling  young man on 
the van asked if we were Jim and Twink! He had recognized us from a photo or 
video and it was so nice to spend quite a bit of time with him at that show. 
We always hoped he would come back to Tucson.  Larry and I send condolences 
to his family. Christian thought it interesting that he, Jim and Larry were 
all engineers.   Twink Monrad 



From nwa482 at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 20:35:09 2010
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:35:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian
In-Reply-To: <306227902.10981791263432718290.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <467674435.10983341263432909124.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Christian was a great guy. I met him many times in Europe and he attended the Tucson show once. 

Mike Farmer and I visited him in Vienna once and his hospitality was second to none. He took time off from work to show us around Vienna and we spent some time relaxing in the evenings in the cafes.  Good Times for sure.

He will be sorely missed. My sincere condolences to his family and friends.

Jim Strope 
421 Fourth Street 
Glen Dale, WV ?26038 

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ 


From edeckert at triad.rr.com  Wed Jan 13 20:38:00 2010
From: edeckert at triad.rr.com (Ed Deckert)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:38:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <012e01ca94ba$34d4f540$6401a8c0@EdDeckertMain>

Hello to everyone,

While I had never met Christian Anger, I did hear his name mentioned by 
others in their emails to this list, and these messages were always 
favorable.  I also did enjoy Christian's email letters to the list.

His family, friends, and the meteorite community as a whole have truly 
experienced a tragic loss.  My thoughts and prayers are with Christian's 
family and friends.  I wish that I could have known him personally as well.

Ed Deckert

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <impactika at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Cc: <h63strufe at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:56 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger




Hello everybody,

I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite
collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and
lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
girls.
And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
happier times.

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)

Hello Anne,

today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.

I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a
friend.
Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
We had also other private contact and were real friends.

At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
so many private problems in his mind.
Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back
into the car sunday afternoon.
This was the last time I saw him.

True friendship never ends..............

Hanno Strufe

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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 20:57:52 2010
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:57:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <747215.105.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Very distressing news. I knew from all of the posts that something must have happened to Christian before even clicking on one of them. 

I always thought of Christian as an energetic, friendly and gracious person. It is obvious that he has touched a lot other people in the meteorite community and he will be sorely missed. He was one of those collectors that make chasing these objects enjoyable.  He never failed to demonstrate genuine enthusiasm for any meteorite regardless of were it was found.   

It makes me ponder my own mortality when someone like Christian who was always full of life was taken so soon. 


My condolences to his friends and family. 
 
Adam


From nakhladog at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 21:09:29 2010
From: nakhladog at comcast.net (Rob Wesel)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:09:29 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <57FBC8B9F73F45A68B440F25A30A1C32@windows9bb74fe>

Christian was one of those guys you just loved to hear from, he had that 
same giddy fondness we all have in common.

A light has gone out for all who knew him and those who never will.

To his closer family and friends I offer my thanks for sharing him with us.

Sleep well my friend,

Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/nakhladog
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971



From geeg48 at msn.com  Wed Jan 13 21:20:51 2010
From: geeg48 at msn.com (GREG LINDH)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:20:51 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU125-W2492D55BB2E14EB551A929C96A0@phx.gbl>


 
    I barely know any of the people in the meteorite community, so I never had the pleasure of meeting Christian. Having said that, I extend my condolences to those who were close to him. It's always so very sad to hear news like this.  
 
 
    Greg Lindh
 


----------------------------------------
> From: impactika at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:56:42 -0500
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> CC: h63strufe at aol.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
>
>
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
> For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite
> collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and
> lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
> girls.
> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
> happier times.
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
> Hello Anne,
>
> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
> Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.
>
> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a
> friend.
> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
>
> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
> so many private problems in his mind.
> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
> come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
> Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back
> into the car sunday afternoon.
> This was the last time I saw him.
>
> True friendship never ends..............
>
> Hanno Strufe
>
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan 13 21:17:51 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 2:17:51 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <4B4E5559.4070108@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20100114021751.BTCB6.93797.root@web05-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Dear Anne and list,

What terribly sad news. Such a tragedy for the family. My deepest sympathies.  

I only saw Christian a couple of times at Ensisheim but he always had a smile for everyone. And I too remember the photograph of you both dancing in the square...I think Peter Marmet took the photo of such happy times. Here at the bottom of the page...

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://imca.cc/insights/2006/II07-img/image007.jpg&imgrefurl=http://imca.cc/insights/2006/IMCA-Insights07.htm&usg=__js95WHvcXOdKFL0lDBsS-81MMzA=&h=534&w=400&sz=30&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=49ogxUHbaHjrvM:&tbnh=132&tbnw=99&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchristian%2Banger%2Bensisheim%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Graham Ensor
 
> 
> 
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: impactika at aol.com
> > Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
> > Sent: Jan 13, 2010 3:56 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello everybody,
> >  
> > I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
> > For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite 
> > collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and 
> > lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little 
> > girls.
> > And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much 
> > happier times.
> >  
> > Anne M. Black
> > _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
> > _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
> > Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> > _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
> >
> > Hello Anne,
> >
> > today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend 
> > Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.
> >
> > I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a 
> > friend.
> > Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
> > We had also other private contact and were real friends.
> >
> > At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had 
> > so many private problems in his mind.
> > Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to 
> > come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in 
> > Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back 
> > into the car sunday afternoon.
> > This was the last time I saw him.
> >
> > True friendship never ends..............
> >
> > Hanno Strufe
> >
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> > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
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From waltbranch at bellsouth.net  Wed Jan 13 21:45:41 2010
From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:45:41 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
	<FDE9A28D900E44A0964FF1F76640C640@Gregor>
Message-ID: <005a01ca94c3$aa560c60$0202a8c0@yourf78bf48ce2>

This is sad news, indeed.  I only knew Christian through email 
correspondence.  He was always a pleasant person with which to talk about 
anything meteoritical.  His presence here on the list will surely be missed. 
My only regret is that I never met him in person.  My sincere condolences go 
out to his family.

Life itself is a wonderful thing, made better by the friends we cherish 
while we live our lives, and those we leave behind when we pass on.

-Walter Branch 



From tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com  Wed Jan 13 21:50:56 2010
From: tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com (Tom Randall (KB2SMS))
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:50:56 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <6A26DC27-2E14-4A61-92E7-82ED2678060C@hvc.rr.com>


  Although I did not know him personally but my deepest condolences  
go to his family.

  A very sad day....

Tom Randall



From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 21:53:39 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:53:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <005a01ca94c3$aa560c60$0202a8c0@yourf78bf48ce2>
Message-ID: <535556.9211.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I never had the chance to meet him and from the comments I have read, I am sad that I did not.
I also would like to join in and extend my best wishes to his friends and family.

Greg C.



--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Walter Branch <waltbranch at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> From: Walter Branch <waltbranch at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 9:45 PM
> This is sad news, indeed.? I
> only knew Christian through email correspondence.? He
> was always a pleasant person with which to talk about
> anything meteoritical.? His presence here on the list
> will surely be missed. My only regret is that I never met
> him in person.? My sincere condolences go out to his
> family.
> 
> Life itself is a wonderful thing, made better by the
> friends we cherish while we live our lives, and those we
> leave behind when we pass on.
> 
> -Walter Branch 
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Wed Jan 13 22:27:12 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:27:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <1089AFDA71FD46B2B933C96B3CA19993@DFZN8X81>
References: <1089AFDA71FD46B2B933C96B3CA19993@DFZN8X81>
Message-ID: <989683d282f9a7cc22c15540ce6c8dff.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>

We will all miss Christian.

Our condolences to his family.

Larry and Nancy Lebofsky



From meteorites at optushome.com.au  Wed Jan 13 22:45:57 2010
From: meteorites at optushome.com.au (Norbert & Heike Kammel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:45:57 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <4B4E9375.5000902@optushome.com.au>

Mit Erschuetterung haben wir von Christian's ploetzlichem und viel zu 
fruehem Ableben erfahren.
Wir haben einen guten Freund verloren, er wird in unserer Gemeinschaft 
sehr vermisst werden.

Christian, Deiner Familie, der nahen und erweiterten Verwandtschaft 
sowie allen Freunden und Bekannten moechten wir hiermit unser 
aufrichtiges Beleid bekunden.
Moege unser Herrgott allen Trost und Kraft verleihen, ueber diesen so 
tragischen Verlust hinweg zu kommen.

Wir werden uns gern an unser Treffen in Muenchen erinnern.

Mit ganz lieben Gruessen von der anderen Seite des Globus', aus 
Melbourne, Australien,


Norbert und Heike Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 13 22:46:05 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:46:05 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past TheEarth
References: <16988.55c237a3.387ebc73@aol.com><93aaac891001122249t72bd96acj43d9dcd9aa8c1bc3@mail.gmail.com><3DF617D65C27491AA82552DA139251B2@ATARIENGINE2>
	<a653634c09169524f6ea57162d705f83.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<0F60726254904980A1CD15C35C647681@ATARIENGINE2>
	<b20f2bfa400b75ad1a17edb1a14ca8f3.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <AA51199FF2714B888390A861DB13653C@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, Larry, Chris, List,

I was thinking, for "heavy object in a meteoroid stream,"
the 1975 impact on the Moon that was detected by seismograph
experiment left behind by one of the Apollo missions (15?). It
was at the June 30 peak of the diffuse beta Taurids and has
been interpreted as one of them.

The seismograph record covered 1972-1978, and the 1975
impact corresponded that of a 2.5-ton object, the biggest
impact recorded by those seismographs on the Moon.

Oh God, I'm going to have to document this, aren't I?

Of course, it could have been a sporadic with the signature of
a beta Taurid, but I think that's stretching coincidence. The
five day bracket June 28-July 2, 1975, recorded more one-ton
objects slamming into the Moon than the entire remainder of
the total seven-year record.

A-ha! There it is:
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1978LPSC....9.3615D/0003615.000.html

So, yes, I'd have to say there are heavy objects embedded in
"meteoroid streams." Does something as heavy as two 1975
Volkswagens count as "heavy"? Would you be convinced if it
had been as heavy as a Lincoln Town Car? It was! (Wikipedia
says 1970's Town Cars weighted "4500 to 5300 lb (2000 to
2400 kg)")

I stand my ground. If it's as heavy as a Lincoln Town Car...
it's heavy.


Sterling K. Webb
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>; "Chris Peterson" 
<clp at alumni.caltech.edu>; "Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past 
TheEarth


> Hi Sterling:
>
> Yes, it is not uncommon for definitions to be, unfortunately for the
> general public, to be in the context of who is studying what. 
> Cratering
> people do not necessarily care what caused the impact (asteroid or 
> comet)
> other than in the modeling that includes parameters such as density, 
> etc.
>
> In the case of Meteor Crater, the only reason that we have meteorites
> (according to the work of Melosh and others) was probably due to the
> original body breaking up prior to impact. If I remember correctly, 
> about
> 50% broke off the orginal body, giving us the meteorites, and 50% 
> stayed
> in one piece and made a big hole (being totally vaporized in the 
> process).
>
> One flaw in your example in a meteor stream is that there is nothing 
> that
> big. You may get very bright fireballs (bolides), but nothing starts 
> out
> big enough to make it to the ground. It is all small stuff (as far as 
> we
> know).
>
> LArry
>
>> Hi, Larry, Chris, List,
>>
>> In many ways, this mess is about the "terms
>> of the trade." It is essential that those working
>> in a specific specialty understand what each
>> other mean when they discuss the subject.
>>
>> The use of "the terms impactors and bolides
>> for the things that make holes in the ground,"
>> as Larry called it, makes discussion quick and
>> effective for those with a "planetary science"
>> perspective.
>>
>> Chris' "meteoroid => meteor => meteorite," pretty
>> much the same as my first definition, is  -- yes --
>> non-IAU-compliant, but from the viewpoint of the
>> study of meteoritic fall, it is clear and effective
>> terminology, well understood.
>>
>> Those who study "meteor showers" use the term
>> meteoroid as a generic for all the objects contained
>> within a given "meteoroid stream," even if the object
>> weighs many tons and is really big enough to be
>> technically an "asteroid." If it's in a  "meteoroid
>> stream," it must be a meteoroid, right?
>>
>> In the real world the working vocabulary is, in
>> practice, determined by those that do common
>> work, for their own use. But it can't be a "private
>> language'" That's where the IAU (should) come in.
>> Opinions may vary on how well they do that job.
>>
>> The Big Iron that made Meteor Crater is too big to
>> qualify for "meteoroid." It has to be called an asteroid.
>> Even the original body of Sikhote-Alin was too big
>> to be a meteoroid. So we have asteroids that make
>> meteorites. Even 2008 TC3 was meteoroid by size
>> but asteroid by designation. The entire classification
>> system of meteorites has as one major purpose
>> identifying the parent body in the "Asteroid Zone."
>> Tracking the origin of "meteoroids" that result in
>> meteorites has, so far, always traced them back to
>> Main Belt asteroids.
>>
>> And while we often don't know the original mass of
>> most objects that result in found meteorites, most of
>> the smallish bodies we call meteoroids are too small to
>> result in meteorites...
>>
>> It could therefore be more common to get meteorites
>> from asteroids, and meteoroids may not produce very
>> many meteorites.
>>
>> Something about that terminology bothers me.
>>
>>
>> Sterling K. Webb
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
>> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
>> Cc: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past
>> TheEarth
>>
>>
>> Hi all again:
>>
>> Those who study impacts on Earth and other bodies tend to use the 
>> terms
>> impactors and bolides for the things that make holes in the ground 
>> but
>> too
>> big leave any meteorite. This gets around the asteroid/comet problem.
>>
>> I just got this from WIkipedia (same article that Sterling used?:
>>
>> "Bolide:
>>
>> The word bolide comes from the Greek ?????, (bolis) which can mean a
>> missile or to flash. The IAU has no official definition of bolide and
>> generally considers the term synonymous with fireball. The bolide 
>> term
>> is
>> generally used for fireballs reaching magnitude -14 or brighter.[8] 
>> The
>> term is more often used among geologists than astronomers where it 
>> means
>> a
>> very large impactor. For example, the USGS uses the term to mean a
>> generic
>> large crater-forming projectile "to imply that we do not know the
>> precise
>> nature of the impacting body ... whether it is a rocky or metallic
>> asteroid, or an icy comet,... Astronomers tend to use the term to 
>> mean
>> an
>> exceptionally bright fireball, particularly one that explodes 
>> (sometimes
>> called a detonating fireball)."
>>
>> I do not remember in all the emails I read this morning someone 
>> asking
>> about the dark phase. Since the definition of a meteoroid is an 
>> object
>> in
>> an independent orbit aroung the Sun, once it is in the dark phase, it 
>> is
>> no longer in an independent orbit and is probably going to survive 
>> and
>> so
>> might as well be called a meteorite. I have always said that the 
>> rocky
>> bit
>> that causes a meteor is a meteoroid (which we cannot see).
>>
>> I tell kids that if you can see the thing that is causing the
>> meteor/fireball---duck!
>>
>> Now, since I have not had my morning coffee (mentioned this to
>> Sterling),
>> the problem with the IAU definition is that it states that a 
>> "meteoriod
>> is
>> significantly smaller than an asteroid." If that is true, what is
>> between
>> a large meteoroid and a small asteroid? A dwarf asteroid (sorry, need 
>> my
>> coffee)!
>>
>> Now, in support of the IAU and my concern with the proposed Royal
>> Astronomical Society definition is that we are observing things 
>> smaller
>> than 10 meters and those are given asteroid designations, they are
>> asteroids. There is no IAU meteroid nomenclature committee!
>>
>> I think that you need the line between large meteoroid and small
>> asteroid
>> to be left "fuzzy." Define a meteoriod as up to 10 meters, but if it 
>> is
>> close enough to the Earth and it gets detected and given a
>> designaton/name
>> then it becomes (reclassified as) an asteroid. This makes sense from 
>> the
>> perspective that, when we learn more about something, its designation
>> can
>> change (such as large Trans Neptunian Objects becoming dwarf planets 
>> as
>> our knowledge of them increases).
>>
>> Enough said before my first shot of caffeine.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>>> Just to make things even more confusing,
>>> the IAU itself has approved the use of the
>>> term "meteor" in a dual sense to include the
>>> physical body itself, thus equating "meteoroid"
>>> with "meteor."
>>>
>>> Say what?
>>>
>>> Bob Verrish wrote an article about it:
>>> http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2008/mar08.htm
>>>
>>> I quote the IAU:
>>>
>>> Definition of terms by the IAU Commission 22, 1961.
>>>
>>> A. meteor: in particular, the light phenomenon which results
>>> from the entry into the Earth's atmosphere of a solid particle
>>> from space; more generally, as a noun or an adjective, ANY
>>> PHYSICAL OBJECT or phenomenon associated with such
>>> an event.
>>>
>>> B. meteoroid: a solid object moving in interplanetary space,
>>> of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid and considerably
>>> larger than an atom or molecule.
>>>
>>> C. meteorite: any object defined under B which has reached
>>> the surface of the Earth without being completely vaporized.
>>>
>>> D. meteoric: the adjectival form pertaining to definitions A and B.
>>>
>>> E. meteoritic: the adjectival form pertaining to definition C.
>>>
>>> F. fireball: a bright meteor with luminosity which equals or
>>> exceeds that of the brightest planets.
>>>
>>> G. micrometeorite: a very small meteorite or meteoritic particle
>>> with a diameter in general less than a millimeter.
>>>
>>> Now, is everything perfectly clear?
>>>
>>> I didn't think so...
>>>
>>>
>>> Sterling K. Webb
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Small Asteroid 2010 AL30 Will Fly Past
>>> TheEarth
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Sterling, Larry, All,
>>> Interesting - there's another problem with Sterling's initial
>>> definition, of which the following statement was a component:
>>>
>>> "2010 AL30 could be a "meteoroid" if it would hit and
>>> leave a piece to be recovered. Just be very patient and
>>> live a long time... (Always a good idea anyway.)"
>>>
>>> As per that definition, though, there's a problem when it comes to
>>> single crater-forming meteorites that don't leave pieces to be
>>> recovered.  Yes, they hit the earth, but if they can't be recovered 
>>> in
>>> any way, can they really be called meteorites (because they don't
>>> technically produce recoverable 'meteorites')?
>>>
>>> Admittedly that argument is only a problem if we're using the 
>>> outdated
>>> version of the definition, but it raises another question.
>>>
>>> If an interplanetary object does strike the surface of the earth - 
>>> and
>>> vaporizes upon impact, is it still considered a meteorite?
>>> Are craters formed by meteorites?  Asteroids?  I assume a meteoroid
>>> wouldn't be large enough to vaporize itself on impact, but even the
>>> faintest of shooting stars produce dust particles which will
>>> eventually reach the ground.
>>> - So there's a minimum size limit on "meteorites" - they must be
>>> larger than the dust produced by fireballs themselves (apparently),
>>> but as for crater-forming bodies...I've always simply called them
>>> meteorites because, well, in my mind, they've struck the surface of
>>> the earth, so they're meteorites.
>>> Trouble arises if the language of the currently used definition is
>>> specific enough to note that for a meteorite to be a meteorite,
>>> fragments must be recoverable.  And if that's the case, then many
>>> craters were in fact formed by...Asteroids?  This definition would
>>> also change on individual crater's with time, as older craters might
>>> have arrived with recoverable fragments, but such pieces could have
>>> since been lost to time and weathering (craters generally outlast
>>> meteorite fragments, after all).
>>>
>>> So...yeah.  A few problems.
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM,  <geozay at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>"My" definition of "meteoroid" is just the standard
>>>> textbook definition. Before it hits the Earth, it's
>>>> a "meteoroid." While in fiery flight through the
>>>> atmosphere, it's a "meteor." If a piece lands on the
>>>> Earth (and somebody finds it), it's a "meteorite."<<
>>>>
>>>> I understood that a meteoroid is a small bodied natural object, in 
>>>> a
>>>> separate solar orbit from that of earth's. When it enters the 
>>>> earths
>>>> atmosphere
>>>> and in the incandescent phase, the visible phenomena is a meteor.
>>>> Afterwards, during the dark phase, its no longer in a separate 
>>>> solar
>>>> orbit from that
>>>> of the earth's. It has yet to hit the ground to become a meteorite.
>>>> What
>>>> is this object called during the dark phase? I personally call it a
>>>> meteorite since its under the control of the earth at that point 
>>>> and
>>>> not
>>>> independent of the earth. Also there has been detected by various
>>>> space probes out
>>>> around Jupiter, "meteoroids" that are too fast to be in solar orbit
>>>> and thus
>>>> of interstellar origins. Are these still called meteoroids?
>>>> GeoZay
>>>>
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 22:57:29 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:57:29 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00c301ca94cd$b21f6950$1400000a@LintoniusLaptop>

Thoughts and prayers go out to Christian and his family.
We're all lined up right behind him folks. We never know when.
Make the most of our short time here.
Best wishes to all.
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <impactika at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Cc: <h63strufe at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:56 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger




Hello everybody,

I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite
collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and
lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
girls.
And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
happier times.

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)

Hello Anne,

today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.

I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a
friend.
Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
We had also other private contact and were real friends.

At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
so many private problems in his mind.
Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back
into the car sunday afternoon.
This was the last time I saw him.

True friendship never ends..............

Hanno Strufe

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From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 00:34:36 2010
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:34:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <454201.64156.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 My sincere condolences go out to Christian's family and close ones. It is very apparent that Christian's kindness and warm personality touched many lives, and those that were, are better for it. I often thought to myself of the irony that the English "translation" of his last name could NOT have been more opposite his true nature. He will truly be missed.

? Sincerely,
? Robert Woolard? 

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, impactika at aol.com <impactika at aol.com> wrote:

> From: impactika at aol.com <impactika at aol.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 4:56 PM
> 
> 
> Hello everybody,
>? 
> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very
> sad news.
> For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an
> expert meteorite 
> collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was
> an Engineer, and 
> lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife
> and two little 
> girls.
> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in
> Ensisheim, in much 
> happier times.
>? 
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_
> (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> 
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
> 
> Hello Anne,
> 
> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our
> good friend 
> Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car
> accident and he died.
> 
> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a
> collector but a 
> friend.
> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
> 
> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show,
> because he had 
> so many private problems in his mind.
> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich
> that he decided to 
> come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u
> and stayed in 
> Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of
> my material back 
> into the car sunday afternoon.
> This was the last time I saw him.
> 
> True friendship never ends..............
> 
> Hanno Strufe
> 
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From thomasmeteorites at wanadoo.fr  Thu Jan 14 00:39:06 2010
From: thomasmeteorites at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Thomas)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:39:06 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <2819825.2781.1263447546231.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h19>

Very very sad news this morning !

The most kind person was whom I knew in the passion of meteorites.

One of the first persons that I had met the first time when I was at the ensisheim show.

All my condolences and all my sympathy to the members of his family.

Christian, we shall not forget you.




From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Thu Jan 14 00:37:05 2010
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:37:05 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <4b4ead81.2af.1db6.2082719197@webmaildh5.ad.aruba.it>

Oh my God...I just remember I have speack with Christian
months ago for trade on a meteorite, and now he is not more
here....my condolences to the family if in delay...

Matteo

----- Original Message -----
Da : impactika at aol.com
A : meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Data : Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:56:42 EST

> Hello everybody,
>  
> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very
> sad news. For all of you who did not know Christian Anger,
> he was an expert meteorite  collector and a very friendly
> guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and  lived near
> Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two
> little  girls.
> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in
> Ensisheim, in much  happier times.
>  
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
> 
> Hello Anne,
> 
> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our
> good friend  Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very
> heavy car accident and he died.
> 
> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only
> a collector but a  friend.
> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
> 
> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show
> , because he had  so many private problems in his mind.
> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich
> that he decided to  come. So he was with us friday evening
> at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in  Munich till sunday
> afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back 
> into the car sunday afternoon. This was the last time I
> saw him.
> 
> True friendship never ends..............
> 
> Hanno Strufe
> 
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

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http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 00:51:50 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:51:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientists Publish 1st Ever Evidence of Asteroids
	with Earth-like Crust
Message-ID: <775526.61204.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Not sure if I missed this on here, very nice read!

http://www.newsdesk.umd.edu/scitech/release.cfm?ArticleID=1812

part of the story:

"Scientists Publish 1st Ever Evidence of Asteroids with Earth-like Crust.
COLLEGE PARK, Md. - Two rare meteorites found in Antarctica two years ago are from a previously unknown, ancient asteroid with an outer layer or crust similar in composition to the crust of Earth's continents, reports a research team primarily composed of geochemists from the University of Maryland.

Published in the January 8 issue of the journal Nature, this is the first ever finding of material from an asteroid with a crust like Earth's. The discovery also represents the oldest example of rock with this composition ever found.

These meteorites point "to previously unrecognized diversity" of materials formed early in the history of the Solar System, write authors James Day, Richard Ash, Jeremy Bellucci, William McDonough and Richard Walker of the University of Maryland; Yang Liu and Lawrence Taylor of the University of Tennessee and Douglas Rumble III of the Carnegie Institution for Science.

"What is most unusual about these rocks is that they have compositions similar to Earth's andesite continental crust -- what the rock beneath our feet is made of," said first author Day, who is a research scientist in Maryland's department of geology. "No meteorites like this have ever been seen before."

Day explained that his team focused their investigations on how such different Solar System bodies could have crusts with such similar compositions. "We show that this occurred because of limited melting of the asteroid, and thus illustrate that the formation of andesite crust has occurred in our solar system by processes other than plate tectonics, which is the generally accepted process that created the crust of Earth."



      


From dieter-heinlein at t-online.de  Thu Jan 14 01:29:41 2010
From: dieter-heinlein at t-online.de (Dieter Heinlein)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:29:41 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
References: <mailman.73.1263428921.69335.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<93EA8E7FB5D64E52A4C7DC39464D9F84@user6e6e286533>
Message-ID: <D7E354BF9BCF4D96B882C12A4666C733@AMD3500>

Very sad news this morning. I cant belive...

I know Christian since many years from the Ensisheim and Munich Shows as
a very friendly guy and keen collector. Once he visited us in Augsburg.
He was good fellow and excellent meteorite expert.

Our sincere condolences go to his family and close friends.

We will never forget him.

Dieter Heinlein



From impactika at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 01:25:06 2010
From: impactika at aol.com (impactika at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:25:06 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <cbff.72b282d8.388012c2@aol.com>



In a message dated 1/13/2010 10:34:37 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
meteoritefinder at yahoo.com writes:
My sincere condolences go out to Christian's family and close ones. It is 
very apparent that Christian's kindness and warm personality touched many 
lives, and those that were, are better for it. I often thought to myself of the 
irony that the English "translation" of his last name could NOT have been 
more opposite his true nature. He will truly be missed.

Sincerely,
Robert Woolard  


Hello Robert and all,

>From an ancient German French Dictionary I have here, "Anger" meant meadow 
or pasture.
A much more peaceful, pleasant, and appropriate meaning.
 
Maybe someone from across the Atlantic can come up with a better tranlation.

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
http://www.imca.cc/


From pierremariepele at yahoo.fr  Thu Jan 14 02:27:52 2010
From: pierremariepele at yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Pel=E9_Pierre-Marie?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:27:52 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <221247.30312.qm@web23004.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I just read this sad news on meteoritelist and am 

When I went into meteorites and visited for the first time Ensisheim show, Christian was one of the first person I met there and I learned a lot from him about meteorites.

He was a cool guy and passionate about meteorites.

A real missing, all my condolences to his family.

Pierre-Marie Pele
www.meteor-center.com


      



From gsac at gmx.net  Thu Jan 14 02:55:57 2010
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:55:57 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100114075557.319490@gmx.net>

This is very sad news. 

I once had the pleasure to meet Christian in Vienna, along with other meteorite collector friends from Austria, for a visit of the great museum of natural history there, and I met and talked to him several times at the Ensisheim and Munich shows. He was a warm-hearted, very friendly man and an avid, knowledgable collector with a very big passion for our hobby. We will truly miss him! RIP, Christian!

Alex
Berlin/Germany



-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:56:42 EST
> Von: impactika at aol.com
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> CC: h63strufe at aol.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger

> 
> 
> Hello everybody,
>  
> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
> For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert
> meteorite 
> collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer,
> and 
> lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little 
> girls.
> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much 
> happier times.
>  
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
> 
> Hello Anne,
> 
> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend 
> Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.
> 
> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but
> a 
> friend.
> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
> 
> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
> so many private problems in his mind.
> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
> come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in 
> Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material
> back 
> into the car sunday afternoon.
> This was the last time I saw him.
> 
> True friendship never ends..............
> 
> Hanno Strufe
> 
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list


From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Thu Jan 14 03:10:21 2010
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:10:21 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <201001140809.o0E89vCX021579@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>

I just opened my mail and the shock was 
immediate: 51 mails entitled: "Christian Anger"! 
Could not be some good news.....

Christian was, since the first edition of 
Ensisheim show, our "brightest light", our 
eternal smiling, a happy to live, cool, 
energetic, joking, teasing, dancing, charming, 
funny, "blasting" person....but also one of the 
most elegant, gentle, gracious, courteous guys.

When he would show up in Ensisheim (he was among 
the first to come....from quite far away), he had 
a pack of that "strangely delicious" Austrian beer for us to taste.
But also lots of meteorites in his bags, for 
ambulant trade and for the consignment room.
The superb 48 g crusted Maigatari-Danduma he 
displayed there for sale as premium, immediately 
went into my collection, along with the text 
describing its weird quest Christian had personally written.

Christian soon became our Brother-Ensi-Meteorite-Guardian.
And he truly deserved this honor, not only 
through his highly avid passion, competence and 
love towards meteorites, but also for his immense 
kindness, enthusiasm and respect towards children and young amateurs.
And, oh yes, the "Saturday evening fevers" could 
not have been "what they were" without Christian's "deep impact".

I also was so lucky to meet him last November in 
Munich and we promised each-other to have a "great Ensisheim" again next year.

My friend, now that I start realizing this won't 
happen, I promise you will never be forgotten.
You are our first brother to have gone "somewhere 
over there", where you are now, I am sure, happy and in peace.
I am right now planning for your memory some 
special treat next June and am sure all the 
people there will join, so as to be so close to you again.

I will badly miss your "strange Austrian beverage"!

Jean-Marie Blosser (who does not read our posts) 
and me, on behalf of the whole Ensisheim 
Confraternity of Ensi Meteorite Guardians, are 
joining our heartfelt condolences and sympathy to his family and close friends.

Zelimir



At 23:56 13/01/2010, impactika at aol.com wrote:


>Hello everybody,
>
>I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
>For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite
>collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and
>lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
>girls.
>And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
>happier times.
>
>Anne M. Black
>_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
>_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
>Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
>Hello Anne,
>
>today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
>Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.
>
>I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a
>friend.
>Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
>We had also other private contact and were real friends.
>
>At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
>so many private problems in his mind.
>Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
>come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
>Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back
>into the car sunday afternoon.
>This was the last time I saw him.
>
>True friendship never ends..............
>
>Hanno Strufe
>
>______________________________________________
>Visit the Archives at 
>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>Meteorite-list mailing list
>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 



From info at meteorites.com.au  Thu Jan 14 03:39:42 2010
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:39:42 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FBB398BF1E40436D92D350CAB93E8CE8@JeffPC>

I was deeply saddened to read this tragic news. Christian was one of the 
first people I bought a meteorite from and he was only too happy to help me 
out then and at all times. I was delighted that I could serve on the IMCA 
Board with Christian when he was voted onto it in the first election. My 
thoughts are with his close friends and family during this difficult time.

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Director - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <impactika at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Cc: <h63strufe at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:56 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger




Hello everybody,

I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite
collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and
lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
girls.
And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
happier times.

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)

Hello Anne,

today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.

I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a
friend.
Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
We had also other private contact and were real friends.

At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
so many private problems in his mind.
Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back
into the car sunday afternoon.
This was the last time I saw him.

True friendship never ends..............

Hanno Strufe

______________________________________________
Visit the Archives at 
http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Meteorite-list mailing list
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From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Thu Jan 14 04:05:45 2010
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (info at niger-meteorite-recon.de)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:05:45 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <1048982025.619800.1263459945813.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxltgw16.schlund.de>

Terrible news, very hard to acknowledge.

People like Christian, and particularly him, made events like Munich and
the Ensisheim show such a?great experience. Such an open minded, enthusiatic and
delightful person he was, I can not imagine anybody who did not?like him.

So many hillarious summer nights where we all sat together on the Ensisheim
regency square talking, laughing and singing, until the last bottle was
emptied?- out out brief candle -?it shall be no more.?

Christian, fellow?brother of the Ensiheim-meteorite?Guardians, companion of
many invaluable moments, you will be truly missed.???

Svend


? www.meteorite-recon.com


From P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk  Thu Jan 14 04:18:56 2010
From: P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk (Peter Davidson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:18:56 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <D7171847AEFC6A4893D80C75E547E271010EF820@nmsmail02.nms2k.int>

Dear List

I too was shocked to hear of the death of Christian. I did get the opportunity to speak to him briefly at Ensisheim and he struck me as gentle giant and a fine pillar of the meteorite community.  Like Zelimir, when I opened my e-mail inbox this morning, a chill went through down my spine when I saw the 50+ mails with the subject: Christian Anger. 

My deepest condolences go out to his family for their sad loss. 

Peter Davidson
Curator of Minerals
?
National Museums Collection Centre
National Museums Scotland
242 West Granton Road
Edinburgh
EH5 1JA
Phone: +44?131 247 4283
p.davidson at nms.ac.uk
www.nms.ac.uk
?
?

Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland?s crafts. National Museum of Scotland, 29 January ? 14 March.

National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Thu Jan 14 05:32:31 2010
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:32:31 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] WG: Christian
Message-ID: <002301ca9504$e2e90410$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

(From Mike)?
?
I am shocked and saddened by the loss of Christian, a friend who was taken
long before his time. 
I met Christian for the first time?at the ?Gifhorn show, like 1997 perhaps
98. He was one of the friendliest people on this planet, 
always?smiling, joking, laughing. Never in a hurry, always drinking wine
(among stronger things)?with me?every year in?Ensisheim? until the sun came
up.
?The meteorite world has lost a true friend, and my prayers are for his
family now. 
Goodbye Christian, it won't be the same without you.
Michael Farmer



From riffraff at timewarp.de  Thu Jan 14 06:31:43 2010
From: riffraff at timewarp.de (Norbert Classen)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:31:43 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
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These are very, very sad news. Christian will truely be missed, and my
thoughts and prayers are with his friends and relatives.

I knew Christian since many years, and he used to visit me at my home prior
to the Ensisheim shows to talk about our favorite passion, and to show off
or to trade rocks from space. He was one of the kindest persons you can
imagine, always friendly and joking, with a big heart at the right place.
His passing away leaves a void that can't be filled.

There are a lot of anecdotes that come to my mind when I think of Christian,
too many to tell. One is a story around the large main mass of HaH 173 which
Christian traded from me years ago. The interior of that L6 was very fresh
(W0-1), but the mass had been buried in the desert and it was totally
covered with a tough caliche coating making it an ugly duckling. However,
Christian could see the swan in it, and in weeks of meticulous work he
manually removed all the caliche - I didn't recognize the mass when he sent
me a picture of it! It really looked like a fresh fall as Christian had
managed to bring out the original fusion crust which was hidden under the
caliche coating.

Christian always had a great passion for his meteorites, and handled them
with utmost care. Whenever he purchased a slice he manually polished it so
that he could also enjoy it under the microscope. He was an exemplary
curator of his space rocks, second to none. And he was a great guy, a real
buddy. I had the pleasure to serve with him on the IMCA Board of Directors,
the pleasure to have him as a fellow Brother of the Ensisheim Meteorite
Brotherhood of Guardians, and - last but not least - as a friend.

Christian: your great sense of humor and your passion will sorely be missed.
Godspeed!

Norbert Classen
President IMCA Inc.

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

Hello everybody,
 
I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite
collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and
lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little
girls.
And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much
happier times.
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_
(mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 

Hello Anne,

today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.

I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a
friend.
Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
We had also other private contact and were real friends.

At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had
so many private problems in his mind.
Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to
come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in
Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back
into the car sunday afternoon.
This was the last time I saw him.

True friendship never ends..............

Hanno Strufe

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From koblitz at microfab.de  Thu Jan 14 07:20:17 2010
From: koblitz at microfab.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rn_Koblitz?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:20:17 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Christian Anger + Gero Kurat (1938-2009)
Message-ID: <492FFD0696089A4CB72BDBDCB2FC1A1402A7A2@server2000>

I am deeply saddened to learn about the death of Christian, a fellow collector and friend for so many many years.

Sadly, this is not the only terrible news from Austria, recently:

Prof. Gero Kurat, the former curator of the meteorite collection at the Natural History Museum in Vienna, Austria, and past president of the Meteoritical Society died on November 27, 2009, at the age of only 71.

http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/news_display.cfm?code=news_intro&itemID=51&CFID=3978395&CFTOKEN=27350152

http://solarsystem.wustl.edu/2009/12/01/gerot-kurat/

Both great individuals will truly be missed! My sincere condolences to his families and friends. 

Joern Koblitz


> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]Im Auftrag von
> impactika at aol.com
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2010 23:57
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello everybody,
>  
> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
> For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an 
> expert meteorite 
> collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an 
> Engineer, and 
> lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and 
> two little 
> girls.
> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in 
> Ensisheim, in much 
> happier times.
>  
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
> 
> Hello Anne,
> 
> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend 
> Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident 
> and he died.
> 
> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a 
> collector but a 
> friend.
> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
> 
> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, 
> because he had 
> so many private problems in his mind.
> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that 
> he decided to 
> come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and 
> stayed in 
> Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of 
> my material back 
> into the car sunday afternoon.
> This was the last time I saw him.
> 
> True friendship never ends..............
> 
> Hanno Strufe
> 
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From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Thu Jan 14 07:34:27 2010
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (meteoriteshow at free.fr)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:34:27 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending on Saturday
Message-ID: <1263472467.4b4f0f538abbd@imp.free.fr>

Dear Fellow Listees,

Our ebay auctions ending on Saturday can be seen at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZmeteoriteshow

They include:

1- Al Haggounia 001 PRIM. AUB - 14.1g endcut
Endcut #002 weighing 14.1g, dimensions 61x24x12mm.
Cut in one of the freshest framents of Al Haggounia 001
Displays a fair grey matrix and an interesting oxydized vein.
LAST ENDCUT OF THIS EXTREMELY RARE FRESH AL HAGGOUNIA 001 - GET IT!!!!
NO BID YET!!! STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330393785848

2- NWA 859 (Taza) IRON UNGR. - 2.7g oriented
OUTSTANDING ORIENTED INDIVIDUAL
weighing 2.7g, dimensions ~15x12x4mm.
BEAUTIFUL SHAPE, WITH RELICS OF FUSION CRUST. SEE PICTURES
(shipped in a display box)
NO BID YET!!! STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330393785953

3- OUED EL HADJAR - 3.0g frag - WITNESSED FALL!
CRUSTED Fragment weighing 3.0g, dimensions ~16x13x13mm.
~20% FUSION CRUSTED, many tiny chondrules in fair grey matrix.
NO BID YET!!! STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330393786149

4- SAH 02500 L3 - 674g semi-individual
Semi-Individual weighing 674g, dimensions: 123x83x48mm.
WAS PROBABLY PART OF AN ORIENTED INDIVIDUAL
~ 40% FUSION CRUSTED WITH REGMAGLYPT
The inside structure is FRESH.
STILL AT A VERY LOW PRICE... JUMP ON IT!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330393786350

5- SAH 03503 LL6 - 22.73g endcut
ENDCUT weighing 22.73g, dimensions: 40x28x17mm.
EXTREMELY RARE!
This meteorite is VERY FRESH and even though was found FUSION CRUST LESS!
The cut surface displays sharp chondrules and fiew metal flakes in a fair grey
matrix
STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE... JUMP ON IT!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330393786521

6- ZAG H3-6 - 23.97g Fragment - WITNESSED FALL!
Fusion Crusted Fragment weighing 23.97g, Dimensions: 30x28x15mm
Displays ~20% FUSION CRUST and a SLICKENSIDE in a Fresh fair grey matrix.
Partially FUSION CRUSTED
STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330393786792

Thank you very much for watching and best wishes to ALL BIDDERS!!!
Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)


From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Jan 14 09:19:21 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:19:21 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2010 AL30-- Fregat about it!
In-Reply-To: <9B01953CCAD74395A5C5C8EAEBB04FC5@bellatrix>
References: <16988.55c237a3.387ebc73@aol.com><93aaac891001122249t72bd96acj43d9dcd9aa8c1bc3@mail.gmail.com>
	<3DF617D65C27491AA82552DA139251B2@ATARIENGINE2>
	<9B01953CCAD74395A5C5C8EAEBB04FC5@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <ms9uk5hrlk2u31tjdt7t606nmdanseid8i@4ax.com>

http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00002305/


From valparint at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 10:42:27 2010
From: valparint at aol.com (valparint at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:42:27 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <E283FA5A030843969E265CB932938F40@vpoffsiteweb.local>

I never met Christian but I have had a few dealings via email - always a happy experience.

We all know, deep down, that life is transitory and can disappear in an instant, but it's still shocking when it hits close to home.

Paul Swartz


From nakhladog at comcast.net  Thu Jan 14 10:42:51 2010
From: nakhladog at comcast.net (Rob Wesel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:42:51 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men teasers
Message-ID: <32CC5DF704724BA894BB40954F3B1913@windows9bb74fe>

Quite a few shorts are up on the Science Channel website....can't wait.

http://science.discovery.com/videos/meteorite-men-backhoe.html

Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/nakhladog
------------------
We are the music makers...
and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
Willy Wonka, 1971




From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Thu Jan 14 11:22:49 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:22:49 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Free Spirit
In-Reply-To: <ms9uk5hrlk2u31tjdt7t606nmdanseid8i@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <20100114162249.4VY12.242049.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Noticed this also on your link Darren.....seems they have taken notice of one of my earlier posts suggesting this method!   -;)

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/20100113a.html

Graham

---- Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote: 
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From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 11:36:04 2010
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:36:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
Message-ID: <800266.71410.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Anne had written : 

 "Hello Robert and all,
 
>From an ancient German French Dictionary I have here,
 "Anger" meant meadow or pasture.
 A much more peaceful, pleasant, and appropriate meaning.
? 
 Maybe someone from across the Atlantic can come up with a
 better tranlation.
 
 Anne M. Black
 http://www.impactika.com/
 IMPACTIKA at aol.com
 Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
 http://www.imca.cc/ "

? ? ****************************************************************
 
 ? Thank you, Anne. You are right. That "translation" is MUCH more appropriate and fitting for the happy nature of Christian.

???Sincerely,
???Robert Woolard









      


From majbaermann at web.de  Thu Jan 14 12:12:29 2010
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:12:29 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
References: <800266.71410.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <785936277E19422FA88D065605B0166F@thinkcentre>

Hello Robert, Anne, list,

"Anger" is a medieval German word which means "place, covered by grass" or, 
more concrete: a public place like a meadow f.e. which could be used by all 
inhabitants of a village or a small town, for meeting, coming together, for 
dancing, for herding the cattle during the night. This meaning has a 
pleasant aura of common life, relaxation, celebration, intimacy.

If you like, please listen to "Uf dem anger", a medieval poem with music by 
Carl Orff (Carmina Burana) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8FR5tft6G0 , 
evoking the villagers on the "Anger", celebrating the beginning of 
springtime, the awakening of nature after a long winter (Anne Black in the 
Rockies, listen!).

As I already wrote on the German meteorite forum, I knew Christian only by 
email-exchange. I sent him the last mail on dec. 10th, only four days before 
he died. He was so patient, open-minded and friendly, this sudden death is 
really hard to believe.

So let's stay together.

With best regards,

Matthias


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Woolard" <meteoritefinder at yahoo.com>
To: <impactika at aol.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger


Anne had written :

 "Hello Robert and all,

>From an ancient German French Dictionary I have here,
 "Anger" meant meadow or pasture.
 A much more peaceful, pleasant, and appropriate meaning.

 Maybe someone from across the Atlantic can come up with a
 better tranlation.

 Anne M. Black
 http://www.impactika.com/
 IMPACTIKA at aol.com
 Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
 http://www.imca.cc/ "

****************************************************************

  Thank you, Anne. You are right. That "translation" is MUCH more 
appropriate and fitting for the happy nature of Christian.

Sincerely,
Robert Woolard










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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 12:19:09 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:19:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientists Publish 1st Ever Evidence of
	Asteroids with Earth-like Crust
In-Reply-To: <50dd4b6d1001140905k4c962302nd5aa449b2ce61752@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <531757.13798.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I think a good amount of Earth had to have been tossed into space just from Meteor Crater impact (forgetting that many other much larger impacts have taken place)

It seems very possible to me that such material could make its way back to Earth in time, or even shortly after impact if the escape velocity was not strong enough to completely break free from Earths gravity.


Greg C.


--- On Thu, 1/14/10, Murray Paulson <murray.paulson at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Murray Paulson <murray.paulson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists Publish 1st Ever Evidence of  Asteroids with Earth-like Crust
> To: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 12:05 PM
> HI:
> ?
> It is interesting to speculate that the Earth may be
> hit by meteorites that have orriginated from earth. In the
> relatively "recent" past, the earth has been
> struck by large enough bodies that could hurl material off
> into orbits around the sun. 65 million years is within
> reason as a "recent" episode. I believe that some
> of the Martian meteorites have cosmic ray exposures of 20
> million years or more.
> 
> ?
> So, How much would a Meteorite from earth be
> worth???
> ?
> Murray Paulson
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:51 PM,
> Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Not
> sure if I missed this on here, very nice read!
> 
> http://www.newsdesk.umd.edu/scitech/release.cfm?ArticleID=1812
> 
> 
> part of the story:
> 
> "Scientists Publish 1st Ever Evidence of Asteroids
> with Earth-like Crust.
> COLLEGE PARK, Md. - Two rare meteorites found in Antarctica
> two years ago are from a previously unknown, ancient
> asteroid with an outer layer or crust similar in composition
> to the crust of Earth's continents, reports a research
> team primarily composed of geochemists from the University
> of Maryland.
> 
> 
> Published in the January 8 issue of the journal Nature,
> this is the first ever finding of material from an asteroid
> with a crust like Earth's. The discovery also represents
> the oldest example of rock with this composition ever
> found.
> 
> 
> These meteorites point "to previously unrecognized
> diversity" of materials formed early in the history of
> the Solar System, write authors James Day, Richard Ash,
> Jeremy Bellucci, William McDonough and Richard Walker of the
> University of Maryland; Yang Liu and Lawrence Taylor of the
> University of Tennessee and Douglas Rumble III of the
> Carnegie Institution for Science.
> 
> 
> "What is most unusual about these rocks is that they
> have compositions similar to Earth's andesite
> continental crust -- what the rock beneath our feet is made
> of," said first author Day, who is a research scientist
> in Maryland's department of geology. "No meteorites
> like this have ever been seen before."
> 
> 
> Day explained that his team focused their investigations on
> how such different Solar System bodies could have crusts
> with such similar compositions. "We show that this
> occurred because of limited melting of the asteroid, and
> thus illustrate that the formation of andesite crust has
> occurred in our solar system by processes other than plate
> tectonics, which is the generally accepted process that
> created the crust of Earth."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Thu Jan 14 12:43:48 2010
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:43:48 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Wire saw is operational-Kerfindustries.com
Message-ID: <1788934503-1263491021-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-27579626-@bda690.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hi all:
I just wanted to announce a new venture that Gary Curtiss and I started. Kerf Industries is open for business to handle your slicing and dicing needs of rare materials. We have a 12" Diamond Wire Technology wire saw that is capable of producing very thin slices at minimal loss (about 4 percent, depending on slice thickness and material type).  We have cut material for several dealers thus far and are looking for more customers.

If you would like more information, please visit http:://www.kerfindustries.com for more information.

Thanks,
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----------------------
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http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA


From damoclid at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 13:30:32 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:30:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list]  2010 AL30 is natural, NOT man-made
In-Reply-To: <ms9uk5hrlk2u31tjdt7t606nmdanseid8i@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <414813.85278.qm@web113618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

No with multiple observations, including initial reports, public and private, from the radar observers, there is no doubt at all that 2010 AL30 is natural.

The last time it passed near the Earth was in 1929.

For a detailed explanation, see:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mpml/message/22817

--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081



      


From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 14:58:36 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:58:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted - Ash Creek or Buzzard Coulee specks/crumbs
Message-ID: <e51421551001141158k2c44112ele05309a8d3ca0d7e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

If anyone has tiny specks or crumbs of Ash Creek or Buzzard Coulee, I
would be interested in buying them as micromounts.   Contact me
off-list if you have some available.

Best regards,

MikeG


From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 16:40:31 2010
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:40:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] "meteor" now to include "meteorites"?
Message-ID: <179001.93308.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

I don't think so. Period.

That's not what Richard Norton taught in "Rocks from Space". 

Will someone here please set the IAU straight on this?

How about operationally, if it hits frei-punkt, its a meteorite, if it leaves a hole in the ground or airbursts with enough force to make it to the ground, its an impacting asteroid or comet fragment.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


      


From grf2 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 14 16:46:04 2010
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:46:04 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] I just can't help myself
Message-ID: <7C8054EB0F4C4635BEF7918A2B39DEF4@ASUS>

<"Anger" is a medieval German word which means "place, covered by grass" or,
more concrete:>
I'm sorry Mathias, I just couldn't resist. CONTEXT  is a b**** when it isn't 
there. 



From grf2 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 14 16:51:22 2010
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:51:22 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger + Gero Kurat (1938-2009)
References: <492FFD0696089A4CB72BDBDCB2FC1A1402A7A2@server2000>
Message-ID: <D2FB399F7481462B9586F2FC9AFBAB19@ASUS>

Oh, please disregard my previous post. I began reading emails from the most 
recent.
I too am deeply saddened by this news. Christian's contributions to the List 
were always appreciated.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "J?rn Koblitz" <koblitz at microfab.de>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:20 AM
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Christian Anger + Gero Kurat (1938-2009)

> I am deeply saddened to learn about the death of Christian, a fellow 
> collector and friend for so many many years.
>
> Sadly, this is not the only terrible news from Austria, recently:
>
> Prof. Gero Kurat, the former curator of the meteorite collection at the 
> Natural History Museum in Vienna, Austria, and past president of the 
> Meteoritical Society died on November 27, 2009, at the age of only 71.
>
> http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/news_display.cfm?code=news_intro&itemID=51&CFID=3978395&CFTOKEN=27350152
>
> http://solarsystem.wustl.edu/2009/12/01/gerot-kurat/
>
> Both great individuals will truly be missed! My sincere condolences to his 
> families and friends.
>
> Joern Koblitz
>
>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]Im Auftrag von
>> impactika at aol.com
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2010 23:57
>> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
>> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
>> For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an
>> expert meteorite
>> collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an
>> Engineer, and
>> lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and
>> two little
>> girls.
>> And I still remember when we were waltzing together in
>> Ensisheim, in much
>> happier times.
>>
>> Anne M. Black
>> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
>> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
>> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>>
>> Hello Anne,
>>
>> today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend
>> Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident
>> and he died.
>>
>> I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a
>> collector but a
>> friend.
>> Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
>> We had also other private contact and were real friends.
>>
>> At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show,
>> because he had
>> so many private problems in his mind.
>> Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that
>> he decided to
>> come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and
>> stayed in
>> Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of
>> my material back
>> into the car sunday afternoon.
>> This was the last time I saw him.
>>
>> True friendship never ends..............
>>
>> Hanno Strufe
>>
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From mlblood at cox.net  Thu Jan 14 17:25:17 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:25:17 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Wire saw is operational-Kerfindustries.com
In-Reply-To: <1788934503-1263491021-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-27579626-@bda690.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <C774D9CD.AB16%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi All,
        Gary and Matt cut some rare hammer material for me and
The loss was under 10% and the slices were PERFECT.
        Also, they handled the material carefully after cutting so
none of the very thin slices were broken and they were speedy
in their work. Furthermore, they did not charge an arm and a leg.
        Best wishes, Michael


On 1/14/10 9:43 AM, "Matt Morgan" <mail at mhmeteorites.com> wrote:

> Hi all:
> I just wanted to announce a new venture that Gary Curtiss and I started. Kerf
> Industries is open for business to handle your slicing and dicing needs of
> rare materials. We have a 12" Diamond Wire Technology wire saw that is capable
> of producing very thin slices at minimal loss (about 4 percent, depending on
> slice thickness and material type).  We have cut material for several dealers
> thus far and are looking for more customers.
> 
> If you would like more information, please visit
> http:://www.kerfindustries.com for more information.
> 
> Thanks,
> Matt Morgan
> ----------------------
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
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From fujmon at mac.com  Thu Jan 14 18:00:45 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:00:45 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Wire saw is operational-Kerfindustries.com
In-Reply-To: <C774D9CD.AB16%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <C774D9CD.AB16%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <A9613CD5-A7FC-4D38-8B63-E95FB13C7CE8@mac.com>

Aloha Listoids,

I'd like to concur with Michael about the quality of services that Matt and Gary (under Kerf Industries) have provided the Big Kahuna.  You can see some of their work on my material currently on ebay now, including the Park Forest slices.  You will also see their work on some jaw-dropping new meteorites that I will be premiering in the next few weeks.  Cutting loss was <5% and they were wikiwiki with their delivery.  On top of that, their prices are very reasonable, and one of the reasons how I can offer prepared material at such affordable prices to collectors.

Kerf Industries is da bomb. You should try 'em out if you need cutting and preparation services.  Just don't slam 'em when I need my stones cut  ;^)

gary

On Jan 14, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Michael Blood wrote:

> Hi All,
>        Gary and Matt cut some rare hammer material for me and
> The loss was under 10% and the slices were PERFECT.
>        Also, they handled the material carefully after cutting so
> none of the very thin slices were broken and they were speedy
> in their work. Furthermore, they did not charge an arm and a leg.
>        Best wishes, Michael
> 
> 
> On 1/14/10 9:43 AM, "Matt Morgan" <mail at mhmeteorites.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all:
>> I just wanted to announce a new venture that Gary Curtiss and I started. Kerf
>> Industries is open for business to handle your slicing and dicing needs of
>> rare materials. We have a 12" Diamond Wire Technology wire saw that is capable
>> of producing very thin slices at minimal loss (about 4 percent, depending on
>> slice thickness and material type).  We have cut material for several dealers
>> thus far and are looking for more customers.
>> 
>> If you would like more information, please visit
>> http:://www.kerfindustries.com for more information.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Matt Morgan
>> ----------------------
>> Matt Morgan
>> Mile High Meteorites
>> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>> P.O. Box 151293
>> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> 
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Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
(808) 640-9161






From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Jan 14 18:18:09 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:18:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - January 13, 2010
Message-ID: <201001142318.o0ENI9vx025482@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
January 13, 2010

o Phoenix Lander in Springtime
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/phoenix-spring.php

o Very Recent Impact Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_015962_1695

o Frost-Covered Dunes in Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_016087_2595

o Dune Symmetry 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_016036_1370

o Contortions on the Floor of Hellas Basin
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_016022_1420


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Jan 14 18:44:34 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:44:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Spirit Rover Update: Just a Few More Approaches to
	Try for Extrication
Message-ID: <201001142344.o0ENiYd9028577@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2010-012  

Just a Few More Approaches to Try for Extrication
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
January 13, 2010

The list of remaining maneuvers being considered for extricating Spirit
is becoming shorter. Results are being analyzed Wednesday, Jan. 13, from
a drive on Sol 2143 (Jan. 12, 2010) using intentionally very slow
rotation of the wheels. Earlier drives in the past two weeks using wheel
wiggles and slow wheel rotation produced only negligible progress toward
extricating Spirit.

The right-front wheel has not rotated usefully since Sol 2117 (Dec. 16,
2009). With the right-rear wheel also inoperable since Sol 2099 (Nov.
28, 2009), Spirit now drives with only four wheels.

Pending results of the latest drive, the rover team is developing plans
for their final few attempts, such as driving backwards and using
Spirit's robotic arm to sculpt the ground directly in front of the
left-front wheel, the only working wheel the arm can reach. Such
activities may take several sols to implement, but time is getting short
as winter approaches and the team needs to focus on Spirit's winter
survival.

The amount of energy that Spirit has each day is declining as autumn
days shorten on southern Mars. If NASA does determine that the rover
will not be able to get away from its current location, some maneuvers
to improve the tilt toward the winter sun might be attempted.



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Jan 14 18:46:32 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:46:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Infrared Hunt Begins: WISE Starts All-Sky Survey
Message-ID: <201001142346.o0ENkWhE029363@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=2447  

Infrared Hunt Begins: WISE Starts All-Sky Survey
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
January 14, 2010

NASA's Wide Field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE) began its survey of
the infrared sky today. The mission will spend nine months scanning the
sky one-and-a-half times in infrared light, revealing all sorts of
cosmic characters -- everything from near-Earth asteroids to young
galaxies more than ten billion light-years away.

WISE, which launched Dec. 14, 2009, from Vandenberg Air Force Base in
California, will uncover hundreds of thousands of asteroids, and
hundreds of millions of stars and galaxies. Its vast catalog of data
will provide astronomers and other missions with data for mine for
decades to come.

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the Wide-field Infrared Survey
Explorer for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. The
principal investigator, Edward Wright, is at UCLA. The mission was
competitively selected under NASA's Explorers Program managed by the
Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. The science instrument was
built by the Space Dynamics Laboratory, Logan, Utah, and the spacecraft
was built by Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp., Boulder, Colo. Science
operations and data processing take place at the Infrared Processing and
Analysis Center at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena.
Caltech manages JPL for NASA. More information is online at
http://www.nasa.gov/wise, http://wise.astro.ucla.edu and
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/wise .

2010-013




From geohiggins at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 20:44:47 2010
From: geohiggins at yahoo.com (John higgins)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:44:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Haiti Relief Auction?
In-Reply-To: <e51421551001131611p44471e3bhac138252f112ecd6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e51421551001131611p44471e3bhac138252f112ecd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <155110.62975.qm@web63207.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi Mike, 
Your?100% right
Please bid on?this Meteorite 100% goes to the American Red Cross Charity, and hurry because there are only 2 days left!

http://cgi.ebay.com/CONTROVERSIAL-LAS-PALMAS-METEORITE-377g-SCULPTED-WOW_W0QQitemZ380196637353QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item58857c4aa9

Thank you,
John Higgins
IMCA #9822



----- Original Message ----
From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 7:11:06 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Haiti Relief Auction?

Hi List,

The extent of the devastation in Haiti is great and it makes whatever
problems most of us have pale by comparison.? If anyone is planning
some kind of relief auction or sale, I would gladly donate a few
specimens with the proceeds to go to the disaster relief.? I don't
have any high dollar pieces to donate (mostly small stuff like
micros), but anything would probably help.? I have my hands and plate
full with my wife's medical problems at the moment, so I don't have
the time to organize or host such an auction/sale, but I'll definitely
donate something.

Best regards and happy hunting,

MikeG
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Thu Jan 14 22:39:00 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:39:00 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
Message-ID: <4B4FE354.3000503@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Listees,

Thanks to you all who've written in with kind words and comments on my 
new article a few days back titled "What is a Meteorite Strewnfield?" I 
really appreciate your compliments. I hope you all enjoyed it. If you 
haven't read it yet please do so. It's a good informative read, and even 
has some pretty pictures too. ;)

The reason for this email is to ask about proper use of the word(s) 
strewnfield. While researching the article I noticed that the numerous 
websites on the internet had 2 ways of spelling the it. Should it be 
"Strewnfield" one word... or "Strewn Field" two seperate words?

Every time I type in strewnfield in a search it comes up with "Did you 
mean?" "strewn field" with a space. I've seen it described as "Strewn 
field" on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strewn_field Then in 
the paragraph just below it reads "strewnfield" all one word again. To 
make matters more confusing Encyclopedia Britannica has the word with a 
hyphen i.e; strewn-field. 
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/569002/strewn-field Google 
shows 67,500 results for the phrase "strewn field" and the same amount 
for strewn-field" with a hyphen, meaning they don't recognize the 
hyphen. Google also shows 23,700 results for the single word 
"strewnfield". Not to mention the many articles and papers all over the 
internet with ALL 3 ways of usage of the word.

So which is it? or does it really matter?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
www.meteoritesusa.com









From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Thu Jan 14 22:48:12 2010
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:48:12 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
References: <4B4FE354.3000503@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <B6DE242FB3184C8184D67179903FD8E2@bellatrix>

This is English you're talking about. What is "correct" is determined by 
usage. "Strewn field" is undoubtedly acceptable, and is the traditional way 
of writing it. However, there is a growing trend in recent English usage to 
construct hybrid or portmanteau words- especially in technical areas (thus, 
"webpage" is now probably more common than "web page"). So it isn't 
surprising to see "strewnfield" used more often these days. Hyphenated words 
seem to be falling out of favor somewhat.

IMO, any form is fine, but you should exercise consistency. It would be 
distracting to see it used different ways in the same discussion.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:39 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?


> Hi Listees,
>
> Thanks to you all who've written in with kind words and comments on my new 
> article a few days back titled "What is a Meteorite Strewnfield?" I really 
> appreciate your compliments. I hope you all enjoyed it. If you haven't 
> read it yet please do so. It's a good informative read, and even has some 
> pretty pictures too. ;)
>
> The reason for this email is to ask about proper use of the word(s) 
> strewnfield. While researching the article I noticed that the numerous 
> websites on the internet had 2 ways of spelling the it. Should it be 
> "Strewnfield" one word... or "Strewn Field" two seperate words?
>
> Every time I type in strewnfield in a search it comes up with "Did you 
> mean?" "strewn field" with a space. I've seen it described as "Strewn 
> field" on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strewn_field Then in the 
> paragraph just below it reads "strewnfield" all one word again. To make 
> matters more confusing Encyclopedia Britannica has the word with a hyphen 
> i.e; strewn-field. 
> http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/569002/strewn-field Google shows 
> 67,500 results for the phrase "strewn field" and the same amount for 
> strewn-field" with a hyphen, meaning they don't recognize the hyphen. 
> Google also shows 23,700 results for the single word "strewnfield". Not to 
> mention the many articles and papers all over the internet with ALL 3 ways 
> of usage of the word.
>
> So which is it? or does it really matter?



From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Thu Jan 14 22:52:16 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:52:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
In-Reply-To: <4B4FE354.3000503@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <4B4FE354.3000503@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <402fcf4aac90299508efa96eb5f9225e.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Eric:

For about a year, this was a topic for the editors of Meteorite magazine.
We decided to be consistent with strewnfield since we had the column "From
the Strewnfields" by Martin Horejsi at the time (miss your articles in the
magazine, Martin).

Larry

> Hi Listees,
>
> Thanks to you all who've written in with kind words and comments on my
> new article a few days back titled "What is a Meteorite Strewnfield?" I
> really appreciate your compliments. I hope you all enjoyed it. If you
> haven't read it yet please do so. It's a good informative read, and even
> has some pretty pictures too. ;)
>
> The reason for this email is to ask about proper use of the word(s)
> strewnfield. While researching the article I noticed that the numerous
> websites on the internet had 2 ways of spelling the it. Should it be
> "Strewnfield" one word... or "Strewn Field" two seperate words?
>
> Every time I type in strewnfield in a search it comes up with "Did you
> mean?" "strewn field" with a space. I've seen it described as "Strewn
> field" on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strewn_field Then in
> the paragraph just below it reads "strewnfield" all one word again. To
> make matters more confusing Encyclopedia Britannica has the word with a
> hyphen i.e; strewn-field.
> http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/569002/strewn-field Google
> shows 67,500 results for the phrase "strewn field" and the same amount
> for strewn-field" with a hyphen, meaning they don't recognize the
> hyphen. Google also shows 23,700 results for the single word
> "strewnfield". Not to mention the many articles and papers all over the
> internet with ALL 3 ways of usage of the word.
>
> So which is it? or does it really matter?
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 02:27:10 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:27:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar and Planatary Laboratory Holds Arizona
	Meteorite Exhibition
Message-ID: <59547.7467.qm@web113615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The largest single gathering of meteorites found in Arizona will be on display on Jan. 30 during the Arizona Meteorite Exhibition.


http://uanews.org/node/29528

--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


      


From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Fri Jan 15 02:44:15 2010
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:44:15 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
In-Reply-To: <B6DE242FB3184C8184D67179903FD8E2@bellatrix>
References: <4B4FE354.3000503@meteoritesusa.com>
	<B6DE242FB3184C8184D67179903FD8E2@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <201001150743.o0F7hnXI009205@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Yes Chris, I fully agree with you regarding the 
falling out of hyphenated words.

Another such example is "portmanteau" you are using here in your post.
This word derives from the French "porte-manteau" 
(laterally "coat (and hat) rack") that is now 
currently written (yes, even in French) "portemanteau".
But English still went a step forward by omitting the "e".
And now in dictionary (e.g. Harrap's Shorter) or 
on "i-Google", you can find that English 
"portmanteau" translates into French 
"portemanteau", word that has now 2 different 
meanings in English ("coat rack" and "hybrid word").

Another such example that puzzled me at the time 
was "South-East", written as such on official 
maps showing "South-East Alaska" areas.
However, when in the area, i noted everywhere 
(streets, posts stuck on walls...) "Southeast".

Usage to which I am quite favorable.

BTW: in the "Harraps", "strewnfield" does not exist.
But now, here in France, since meteorites became 
popular, the English word "strewnfield" (never 
"strewn field") is more and more used as....a (bastard) French word!
(the correct French name is still "ellipse de 
chute", literally ""fall ellipse").

Allmybest,

Zelimir


At 04:48 15/01/2010, Chris Peterson wrote:
>This is English you're talking about. What is 
>"correct" is determined by usage. "Strewn field" 
>is undoubtedly acceptable, and is the 
>traditional way of writing it. However, there is 
>a growing trend in recent English usage to 
>construct hybrid or portmanteau words- 
>especially in technical areas (thus, "webpage" 
>is now probably more common than "web page"). So 
>it isn't surprising to see "strewnfield" used 
>more often these days. Hyphenated words seem to 
>be falling out of favor somewhat.
>
>IMO, any form is fine, but you should exercise 
>consistency. It would be distracting to see it 
>used different ways in the same discussion.
>
>Chris
>
>*****************************************
>Chris L Peterson
>Cloudbait Observatory
>http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:39 PM
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
>
>
>>Hi Listees,
>>
>>Thanks to you all who've written in with kind 
>>words and comments on my new article a few days 
>>back titled "What is a Meteorite Strewnfield?" 
>>I really appreciate your compliments. I hope 
>>you all enjoyed it. If you haven't read it yet 
>>please do so. It's a good informative read, and 
>>even has some pretty pictures too. ;)
>>
>>The reason for this email is to ask about 
>>proper use of the word(s) strewnfield. While 
>>researching the article I noticed that the 
>>numerous websites on the internet had 2 ways of 
>>spelling the it. Should it be "Strewnfield" one 
>>word... or "Strewn Field" two seperate words?
>>
>>Every time I type in strewnfield in a search it 
>>comes up with "Did you mean?" "strewn field" 
>>with a space. I've seen it described as "Strewn 
>>field" on Wikipedia. 
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strewn_field Then 
>>in the paragraph just below it reads 
>>"strewnfield" all one word again. To make 
>>matters more confusing Encyclopedia Britannica 
>>has the word with a hyphen i.e; strewn-field. 
>>http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/569002/strewn-field 
>>Google shows 67,500 results for the phrase 
>>"strewn field" and the same amount for 
>>strewn-field" with a hyphen, meaning they don't 
>>recognize the hyphen. Google also shows 23,700 
>>results for the single word "strewnfield". Not 
>>to mention the many articles and papers all 
>>over the internet with ALL 3 ways of usage of the word.
>>
>>So which is it? or does it really matter?
>
>______________________________________________
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From ebay at biol.uw.edu.pl  Fri Jan 15 06:12:07 2010
From: ebay at biol.uw.edu.pl (www.meteoritica.eu)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:12:07 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
References: <800266.71410.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<785936277E19422FA88D065605B0166F@thinkcentre>
Message-ID: <7C02CAEB66F04FEF8ADAC37463C17252@BigLebovsky>

Ha
As a relief, we can say, that now he is among things which he beloved most - 
meteorites.
And it is certain he will send as some of them from heaven to here, on the 
Earth.
Woreczko
www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/



From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Fri Jan 15 09:26:52 2010
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:26:52 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
In-Reply-To: <B6DE242FB3184C8184D67179903FD8E2@bellatrix>
References: <4B4FE354.3000503@meteoritesusa.com>
	<B6DE242FB3184C8184D67179903FD8E2@bellatrix>
Message-ID: <001001ca95ee$c8784240$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Martin, the geek, has a little correction.

"strewnfield" is a compound and no portmanteau.

A portmanteau is a contraction of two words, forming a completely new word,
Like e.g.  "breakfast + lunch" = "brunch" or "smoke + fog" = "smog".

While a compound is a combination of two words, where one constituent
determines the other closer.
Like e.g. "snowball" - a ball made of snow;  "windshield" - a shield
protecting from wind; "steamboat" - a boat moving by steam power or
producing steam; "barefoot" - ect.

Hence a "strewnfield" is a field, where something had been strewn on.
(As a portmanteau it would be "strewld", "strield" or something like that).

Hehe, in German language we have the possibility to create endless
compounds, true word-monsters. (you find them especially, if you'll making
your tax declaration).

>From English:  a "catalogue of data of meteoritic strewn fields" for
instance, we can make a single and valid word in German:

Ein "Meteoritenstreufelddatenkatalog"

Best,
Martin



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Chris
Peterson
Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Januar 2010 04:48
An: Meteorite-list
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?

This is English you're talking about. What is "correct" is determined by 
usage. "Strewn field" is undoubtedly acceptable, and is the traditional way 
of writing it. However, there is a growing trend in recent English usage to 
construct hybrid or portmanteau words- especially in technical areas (thus, 
"webpage" is now probably more common than "web page"). So it isn't 
surprising to see "strewnfield" used more often these days. Hyphenated words

seem to be falling out of favor somewhat.

IMO, any form is fine, but you should exercise consistency. It would be 
distracting to see it used different ways in the same discussion.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:39 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?


> Hi Listees,
>
> Thanks to you all who've written in with kind words and comments on my new

> article a few days back titled "What is a Meteorite Strewnfield?" I really

> appreciate your compliments. I hope you all enjoyed it. If you haven't 
> read it yet please do so. It's a good informative read, and even has some 
> pretty pictures too. ;)
>
> The reason for this email is to ask about proper use of the word(s) 
> strewnfield. While researching the article I noticed that the numerous 
> websites on the internet had 2 ways of spelling the it. Should it be 
> "Strewnfield" one word... or "Strewn Field" two seperate words?
>
> Every time I type in strewnfield in a search it comes up with "Did you 
> mean?" "strewn field" with a space. I've seen it described as "Strewn 
> field" on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strewn_field Then in the

> paragraph just below it reads "strewnfield" all one word again. To make 
> matters more confusing Encyclopedia Britannica has the word with a hyphen 
> i.e; strewn-field. 
> http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/569002/strewn-field Google shows

> 67,500 results for the phrase "strewn field" and the same amount for 
> strewn-field" with a hyphen, meaning they don't recognize the hyphen. 
> Google also shows 23,700 results for the single word "strewnfield". Not to

> mention the many articles and papers all over the internet with ALL 3 ways

> of usage of the word.
>
> So which is it? or does it really matter?

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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 10:44:37 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:44:37 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Nice photos of Morocco and High Atlas area
Message-ID: <e51421551001150744h36937092uf6f21ec0ca8df5a4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List!

This post is mostly off-topic, but I thought some on the List might
find it interesting.  A mineral dealer on another List has a story
about a mineral gathering trip to Morocco.  The story has many
excellent-quality photos in it.  The photos show various aspects of
Moroccan and desert life in the area.  Villages, marketplaces, mines,
locals, desert travel, etc.  Many locales are shown, including some
that are familiar to meteorite collectors (such as Erfoud, the High
Atlas, and Ouarzazate).

I am not affiliated with this dealer in any way, I just really enjoyed
the photos.  For those of us who have never visited Morocco, photos
like this are the closest we can get.  I almost enjoy these as much as
photos of meteorites.  Photos such as these give the collector a taste
of the local Moroccan culture and landscape, and it provides a
richness and depth to our collecting knowledge.  :)

http://spiriferminerals.com/63,2009-2010---New-Year-in-Morocco-I.html

http://spiriferminerals.com/64,2009-2010---New-Year-in-Morocco-part-II.html

I wonder if these mineral and fossil prospectors came across any
meteorites?  And would they recognize them if they did?

There are also some videos in part two of the story.  Some of the
mineral photos are outstanding.  I wish I could take photos like that.

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG


From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 10:57:00 2010
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:57:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteors, impactors
Message-ID: <447931.92275.qm@web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all - 

I see the situation got worse. Apparently the IAU doesn't think that comets and comet fragments impact.

They also used the undefined term "impactor" in their definition.

So what they need to do is define "impactor" as I did in my previous post. 

Now do you think the IAU will be grateful for having been straightened out on this? 

No. 

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas 




      


From jamespault at att.net  Fri Jan 15 12:48:01 2010
From: jamespault at att.net (James Tobin)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:48:01 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] lapidary book and future list member
Message-ID: <007f01ca960a$e661f820$0200000a@Jimscomputer>

Hi List,
I wanted to get this message sent last week but I am late as usual.
My book on cutting and finishing meteorites is ready and can be ordered by 
emailing me. I am going to do the printing myself for the time being and put 
it up at Cafepress later. Its priced at $12 plus $6 shipping and I am taking 
paypal, cash and checks.
I am going to try and have a few copies at Tucson but there won't be very 
many with me.

Now that the business part of this message is done, here is the reason for 
me posting late. Grandchild number six was born last week and we have been 
having a great time with him. Collin Patrick is his name and for the ladies 
on the list that especially like the detailed information. 6 lbs, 12 ozs 20 
inches blond hair that was spiked when I saw him the first time. He is sure 
to be spoiled  by grandpa like the others.

My daughter was not due for a couple weeks and there was some thought that I 
would not make it to Tucson but he has arrived just fine so I am looking 
forward to seeing many of you at the show in a few days.

Best, Jim Tobin 



From Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de  Fri Jan 15 13:32:46 2010
From: Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de (Carsten Giessler)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:32:46 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Nice photos of Morocco and High Atlas area
Message-ID: <4B50B4CE.9030907@t-online.de>

Hello Mike,

very very beautiful pictures, the quality of them is really amazing!
Thanks for sharing them, i enjoyed it alot to view them.

Best greetings,

Carsten

-- 


Carsten Giessler

Gipometeorites - www.gi-po.de -
email: c-giessler at gi-po.de

Member of the Meteoritical Society
International Society for Meteoritics and Planetary Science

IMCA Member:3457
International Meteorite Collectors Association



From skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 15:57:55 2010
From: skyrockmeteorites at yahoo.com (Joe Kerchner)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:57:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: unusual NWA- Half melt, Large inclusion
Message-ID: <697969.36199.qm@web43410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have a 24 gram part slice of some very unusual material. This is the only piece of this I will be selling, Just need the funds. You can see a few images of it by clicking the following link. It is a 24 gram part slice for only $120. I was going to ask twice as much, but I need to sell it asap, need the $. Thanks for looking. God Bless.

If you are interested please contact me at my other email address, it is illinoismeteorites at gmail.com 

http://illinoismeteorites.com/24grduellith.htm

Best Wishes,
Joe Kerchner
http://illinoismeteorites.com
http://skyrockcafe.com



      



From marcin at meteoryt.net  Fri Jan 15 15:58:34 2010
From: marcin at meteoryt.net (Marcin Cimala)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:58:34 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] New material on eBay - still at 1 cent !!!
References: <e51421551001150744h36937092uf6f21ec0ca8df5a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DA1610FEEC7460199D412F80C3EBF20@polandmezrd5i9>

Hi
I have auctions ending on sunday
http://stores.ebay.com/PolandMET-Store

Special auctions
Meteorite SIKHOTE-ALIN oriented bullet 55g PERFECT
Perfect bullet shaped specimen with crust, flowlines!

Meteorite GAO-GUENIE oriented specimen 13.8g
One of the strangest oriented specimen You have ever see !!

Other, still at one cent!
Benguerir
Chergach
Camel Donga
Mundrabilla
D'Orbigny

And many of my NWA numbers
CV3
Pallasite
HOW
MES
LL6
Martian
LL3.2
L3.8

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From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Jan 15 16:33:06 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:33:06 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Asteroids and meteorites" book
In-Reply-To: <59547.7467.qm@web113615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <59547.7467.qm@web113615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <jin1l5t7tht4oe5onug78t0ior2qinmtnl@4ax.com>

Just found an ebook version of this:

http://www.amazon.com/Asteroids-Meteorites-Catastrophic-Collisions-Hazardous/dp/0816064695/

at this site (be wary of pop-ups)

http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/science_books/astronomy_cosmology/asteroids_meteorites.html


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Jan 15 18:36:48 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:36:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: January 11-15, 2010
Message-ID: <201001152336.o0FNampd002788@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
January 11-15, 2010

o Hephaestus Fossae (11 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100111a

o Dark Slope Streaks (12 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100112a

o Patapsco Vallis (13 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100113a

o Kaiser Crater Dunes (14 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100114a

o Kaiser Crater Dunes (15 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100115a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 





From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Jan 15 18:40:19 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:40:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update: January 6-14, 2010
Message-ID: <201001152340.o0FNeJK7003988@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE:  Little Forward Progress - sols 2137-2143, 
January 6-12, 2010:

Spirit remains embedded at the location called "Troy" on the West side
of Home Plate. Extrication drives were tried on sols 2138, 2140 and 2142
(Jan. 7, 9 and 11, 2010). Each of these drives employed a new technique
of steering the wheels back and forth before driving. This has shown
some efficacy at sweeping material out of the wheel tracks and allowing
fresh material to slough off the leading trench face providing traction
under the wheel. Slower wheel speeds were also tried on two of the
drives. However, even with these new techniques, little forward progress
has been achieved. And excessive sinkage continues to occur with each
attempt.

Both the right-front and right-rear wheel continue to be non-functional.

Next, Spirit will switch directions and attempt to drive backward to see
if that provides better progress.

As of Sol 2143 (Jan. 12, 2010), Spirit's solar-array energy production
is 225 watt-hours, with an atmospheric opacity (tau) of 0.490 and a dust
factor of 0.539. Total odometry is 7,730.12 meters (4.80 miles).

------------------------------------------------------------------------

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE:  Leaving Marquette Behind - sols 2118-2124,
January 7-14, 2010:

Opportunity spent Sols 2118 to 2121 (Jan. 7-11, 2010; no sol number
corresponds to Jan. 8 because no noon at Opportunity's location fell
during that date's 24 hours Pacific Standard Time) completing the
investigation of "Marquette Island," a curious rock on the plains of
Meridiani. The alpha particle X-ray spectrometer (APXS) and the
microscopic imager (MI) were used to examine a target on Marquette
Island which was exposed by the rock abrasion tool (RAT) grind
activities the previous week.

Opportunity drove away from Marquette Island on Sol 2122 (Jan. 12, 2010)
continuing on the path toward Endeavour Crater. Further drives where
executed on Sols 2123 and 2124 (Jan. 13 and 14, 2010). On Sol 2124,
Opportunity crossed the 19-kilometer (11.8-mile) odometry milestone! A
near-term science objective along the path towards Endeavour Crater is a
relatively fresh impact crater, called "Conception," approximately 250
meters (820 feet) to the south.

As of Sol 2124 (Jan. 14, 2010), Opportunity's solar-array energy
production is 336 watt-hours, with an atmospheric opacity (tau) of 0.500
and a dust factor of 0.533. Total odometry is 19,025.92 meters (11.82
miles).



From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 19:14:45 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:14:45 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Benefit Auction for Haiti - 100% proceeds to
	American Red Cross Haiti Relief
Message-ID: <e51421551001151614w34af93fcj8570ce28c7c66ec0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

Following the lead of others including John Higgins, I have listed a
meteorite riker display on eBay and 100% of the proceeds go to the
American Red Cross for the Haiti earthquake relief.

I don't keep a penny, so bid high and bid often!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290391949725

Thanks for looking and good luck!

MikeG


From fcressy at prodigy.net  Fri Jan 15 20:57:34 2010
From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:57:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
In-Reply-To: <402fcf4aac90299508efa96eb5f9225e.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
References: <4B4FE354.3000503@meteoritesusa.com>
	<402fcf4aac90299508efa96eb5f9225e.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <707874.58383.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

I think it would be correct to use "strewnfield"...one word.

When someone talks about a corn field, two words are used.? Another way to say this is : "field of corn."

If "strewn field" is the correct, would one also be correct in saying "field of strewn"?? I don't think that works.

So I think the correct usage should be "strewnfield" like Martin used to use in his columns.

Just my 2 cents,

Frank




________________________________
From: "lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu" <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
To: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
Cc: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 7:52:16 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?

Hi Eric:

For about a year, this was a topic for the editors of Meteorite magazine.
We decided to be consistent with strewnfield since we had the column "From
the Strewnfields" by Martin Horejsi at the time (miss your articles in the
magazine, Martin).

Larry

> Hi Listees,
>
> Thanks to you all who've written in with kind words and comments on my
> new article a few days back titled "What is a Meteorite Strewnfield?" I
> really appreciate your compliments. I hope you all enjoyed it. If you
> haven't read it yet please do so. It's a good informative read, and even
> has some pretty pictures too. ;)
>
> The reason for this email is to ask about proper use of the word(s)
> strewnfield. While researching the article I noticed that the numerous
> websites on the internet had 2 ways of spelling the it. Should it be
> "Strewnfield" one word... or "Strewn Field" two seperate words?
>
> Every time I type in strewnfield in a search it comes up with "Did you
> mean?" "strewn field" with a space. I've seen it described as "Strewn
> field" on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strewn_field Then in
> the paragraph just below it reads "strewnfield" all one word again. To
> make matters more confusing Encyclopedia Britannica has the word with a
> hyphen i.e; strewn-field.
> http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/569002/strewn-field Google
> shows 67,500 results for the phrase "strewn field" and the same amount
> for strewn-field" with a hyphen, meaning they don't recognize the
> hyphen. Google also shows 23,700 results for the single word
> "strewnfield". Not to mention the many articles and papers all over the
> internet with ALL 3 ways of usage of the word.
>
> So which is it? or does it really matter?
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From cdtucson at cox.net  Fri Jan 15 18:28:36 2010
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:28:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bernd strewn fields list
Message-ID: <20100115182836.WXTIV.2811.imail@fed1rmwml44>

Forward from Bernd.
--



> To: cdtucson at cox.net
> From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
> Subject: Re-2: : Found another in Benson
> Date: 15 Jan 2010 22:59:13 UT
> 
> So do that super dude a favor and forward that to the MetList for me ;-)
> 
> Thank you, Carl!
> 
> Bernd
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Strewn field or strewnfield?
> 
> Some examples from various sources:
> 
> Abajo (H5) . found within the strewnfield of the Allende fall
> Villa Natamoros, an L3.7 chondrite from the Allende strewn field
> Allende (CV3) . The strewnfield is estimated to be > 150km^2
> . enough eyewitness reports of the fall to establish a possible strewn field pattern
> Billygoat Donga (L6) . within the Mulga (north) strewnfield
> Bushman Land (IVA) . southeast of the accepted Gibeon strewnfield (Buchwald)
> Calcalong Creek (LUN) . found by an Aborigine hunter in the Millbillillie strewnfield.
> Caldwell (L) . In the  case of multiple finds from a strewnfield (Steve Arnold #1)
> Campo del Cielo . have been found at Campo del Cielo in a strewn field (U.B. Marvin)
> Cedar (H4) . all four Cedar stones appear to define a strewnfield (McCoy)
> it should be noted that the Dimmitt strewnfield (K. Keil)
> Composition of impact melt debris from the Eltanin impact strewn field (Kyte F.T.)
> Gold Basin Meteorite Strewn Field (D.A. Kring)
> Imilac strewnfield, Chile, revisited (Marvin Killgore)
> Strewn-fields (!) of Imilac and Vaca Muerta (H. Pedersen)
> The newly discovered Jiddat al Harasis strewn field in Oman (E. Gnos)
> A new, large, ordinary chondrite has been recovered from near the strewn field of Gibeon iron meteorites (L.D. Ashwal)
> Exposure history of the Mocs (L6) chondrite: A study of strewn field samples (T.E. Ferko)
> From the Strewnfields - A Portable Strewnfield (Martin Horejsi)
> Portales, New Mexico, meteorite fall and strewnfield (Harold Povenmire)
> The fireball and strewn field of the Tagish Lake meteorites (A.R. Hildebrand)
> 
> 



From cdtucson at cox.net  Fri Jan 15 21:19:48 2010
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:19:48 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bernd Strewn Field's
Message-ID: <20100115211948.MVUHX.188584.imail@fed1rmwml34>

Forward from Bernd.


> To: cdtucson at cox.net
> From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
> Subject: Re-2: : Found another in Benson
> Date: 15 Jan 2010 22:59:13 UT
> 
> So do that super dude a favor and forward that to the MetList for me ;-)
> 
> Thank you, Carl!
> 
> Bernd
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Strewn field or strewnfield?
> 
> Some examples from various sources:
> 
> Abajo (H5) . found within the strewnfield of the Allende fall
> Villa Natamoros, an L3.7 chondrite from the Allende strewn field
> Allende (CV3) . The strewnfield is estimated to be > 150km^2
> . enough eyewitness reports of the fall to establish a possible strewn field pattern
> Billygoat Donga (L6) . within the Mulga (north) strewnfield
> Bushman Land (IVA) . southeast of the accepted Gibeon strewnfield (Buchwald)
> Calcalong Creek (LUN) . found by an Aborigine hunter in the Millbillillie strewnfield.
> Caldwell (L) . In the  case of multiple finds from a strewnfield (Steve Arnold #1)
> Campo del Cielo . have been found at Campo del Cielo in a strewn field (U.B. Marvin)
> Cedar (H4) . all four Cedar stones appear to define a strewnfield (McCoy)
> it should be noted that the Dimmitt strewnfield (K. Keil)
> Composition of impact melt debris from the Eltanin impact strewn field (Kyte F.T.)
> Gold Basin Meteorite Strewn Field (D.A. Kring)
> Imilac strewnfield, Chile, revisited (Marvin Killgore)
> Strewn-fields (!) of Imilac and Vaca Muerta (H. Pedersen)
> The newly discovered Jiddat al Harasis strewn field in Oman (E. Gnos)
> A new, large, ordinary chondrite has been recovered from near the strewn field of Gibeon iron meteorites (L.D. Ashwal)
> Exposure history of the Mocs (L6) chondrite: A study of strewn field samples (T.E. Ferko)
> From the Strewnfields - A Portable Strewnfield (Martin Horejsi)
> Portales, New Mexico, meteorite fall and strewnfield (Harold Povenmire)
> The fireball and strewn field of the Tagish Lake meteorites (A.R. Hildebrand)
> 
> 



From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 21:59:45 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:59:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thin Section images - NWA xxxx 165g
Message-ID: <865538.92164.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all, I know some of you enjoy thin section images, here is a series from what is likely to be an LL5-LL6 genomict breccia.
This is the neat 165g stone with multiple inclusions that I am getting classified.

Stone prior to cutting:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/165gNWAxxxx.jpg

Here is the main mass:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/165gNWAxxxx616gmainmass.jpg

Detail of clasts:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/LithologyMap.jpg

What is the preliminary results?

LL5-LL6 genomict breccia containing clasts of:
-type 4 or type 5 LL chondrite
-type 6 LL chondrite
-fine-grained microbreccia clasts
-shock darkened clasts
-and impact melt litholies ranging from partially melted to totally melted equigranular and vitrophyiric objects (some of which show evidence of multiple heating events)
set w/in a fine grained accretionary matrix containing sparse, but well-defined chondrules.

And here are the tin section images - they are very nice, enjoy!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Chond_125xPL.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Clast_1225xXP.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Clast_1325xXP.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Clast_225xPL.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Clast_3125xXP.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Clast_4125xXP.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Clast_5125xXP.jpg


Hope you enjoy the pics,

Greg C.



      


From dave at fallingrocks.com  Fri Jan 15 22:52:34 2010
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:34 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thin Section images - NWA xxxx 165g
In-Reply-To: <865538.92164.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <865538.92164.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D505EFC2C3F45939FA2ED39843F8147@meteorroom>

Thanks for the images Greg.  This is a killer specimen, and it was a
pleasure to see under a loupe at the last MAG meeting!
Thanks again,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Catterton
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:00 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thin Section images - NWA xxxx 165g

Hi to all, I know some of you enjoy thin section images, here is a series
from what is likely to be an LL5-LL6 genomict breccia.
This is the neat 165g stone with multiple inclusions that I am getting
classified.

Stone prior to cutting:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/165gNWAxxxx.jpg

Here is the main mass:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/165gNWAxxxx616gmainmass.
jpg

Detail of clasts:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/LithologyMap.jpg

What is the preliminary results?

LL5-LL6 genomict breccia containing clasts of:
-type 4 or type 5 LL chondrite
-type 6 LL chondrite
-fine-grained microbreccia clasts
-shock darkened clasts
-and impact melt litholies ranging from partially melted to totally melted
equigranular and vitrophyiric objects (some of which show evidence of
multiple heating events) set w/in a fine grained accretionary matrix
containing sparse, but well-defined chondrules.

And here are the tin section images - they are very nice, enjoy!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Chond_125xPL.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Clast_1225xXP.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Clast_1325xXP.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Clast_225xPL.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Clast_3125xXP.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Clast_4125xXP.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/Clast_5125xXP.jpg


Hope you enjoy the pics,

Greg C.



      
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From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Fri Jan 15 23:14:11 2010
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:14:11 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
In-Reply-To: <707874.58383.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4B4FE354.3000503@meteoritesusa.com>	<402fcf4aac90299508efa96eb5f9225e.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<707874.58383.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B513D13.805@usgs.gov>

I would conjecture that this term must have originated with the phrase 
"meteorite-strewn field," i.e. a field strewn with meteorites. If you 
search for the term "rock-strewn" in publications, it virtually always 
appears with the hyphen when used as an adjective, which I believe is 
grammatically correct. For some reason, meteoriticists in the 1940s, who 
seems to have brought the phrase into common usage, didn't like the 
hyphen, and I'm not sure anybody ever actually used "meteorite-strewn 
field" (or "tektite-strewn field") in a publication.  Instead, you see 
it without the hyphen (still a common form, "meteorite strewn field"), 
and in the abbreviated forms without the word meteorite at all: 
"strewn-field," "strewn field," and "strewnfield." But the word 
meteorite (or, sometimes, tektite) is always implied; I don't think you 
ever see mention of pumice strewnfields or hailstone strewnfields, etc.

It seems to me that a new word was then born, independent of the 
original phrase.  I think the hyphenated form can clearly be discarded 
as a remnant of the original phrase, incorrectly hyphenated.  The other 
two forms are really both new coinages, and I think one might argue that 
either could be "correct," if there is such a thing as correct.  Both 
are in common use now.  If I were editing a publication, I would 
probably make the stylistic choice of adopting the single-word version, 
"strewnfield."

Jeff

On 2010-01-15 8:57 PM, Frank Cressy wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I think it would be correct to use "strewnfield"...one word.
>
> When someone talks about a corn field, two words are used.  Another way to say this is : "field of corn."
>
> If "strewn field" is the correct, would one also be correct in saying "field of strewn"?  I don't think that works.
>
> So I think the correct usage should be "strewnfield" like Martin used to use in his columns.
>
> Just my 2 cents,
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu"<lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
> To: Meteorites USA<eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Cc: Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 7:52:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
>
> Hi Eric:
>
> For about a year, this was a topic for the editors of Meteorite magazine.
> We decided to be consistent with strewnfield since we had the column "From
> the Strewnfields" by Martin Horejsi at the time (miss your articles in the
> magazine, Martin).
>
> Larry
>
>    
>> Hi Listees,
>>
>> Thanks to you all who've written in with kind words and comments on my
>> new article a few days back titled "What is a Meteorite Strewnfield?" I
>> really appreciate your compliments. I hope you all enjoyed it. If you
>> haven't read it yet please do so. It's a good informative read, and even
>> has some pretty pictures too. ;)
>>
>> The reason for this email is to ask about proper use of the word(s)
>> strewnfield. While researching the article I noticed that the numerous
>> websites on the internet had 2 ways of spelling the it. Should it be
>> "Strewnfield" one word... or "Strewn Field" two seperate words?
>>
>> Every time I type in strewnfield in a search it comes up with "Did you
>> mean?" "strewn field" with a space. I've seen it described as "Strewn
>> field" on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strewn_field Then in
>> the paragraph just below it reads "strewnfield" all one word again. To
>> make matters more confusing Encyclopedia Britannica has the word with a
>> hyphen i.e; strewn-field.
>> http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/569002/strewn-field Google
>> shows 67,500 results for the phrase "strewn field" and the same amount
>> for strewn-field" with a hyphen, meaning they don't recognize the
>> hyphen. Google also shows 23,700 results for the single word
>> "strewnfield". Not to mention the many articles and papers all over the
>> internet with ALL 3 ways of usage of the word.
>>
>> So which is it? or does it really matter?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
>> www.meteoritesusa.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From keithandana at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 02:17:25 2010
From: keithandana at gmail.com (Keith and Dana Jenkerson)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:17:25 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) Fukang Slices Available!
Message-ID: <f9cf59511001152317t4fe6e908wb7baef0f9c07aa43@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, Everybody!

  We have been working away to get ready for the Tucson Show, and one
of the new items we have to offer is some Fukang slices. We will be
adding more as we finish them. Here are the links to them:

http://www.admiremeteorites.com/WhatsNew.html   or
http://kdmeteorites.com/FukangPallasiteMeteoritesForSale.html

The AdmireMeteorites.com website is intended to be a play on
words...not only is it about the AD-mire Pallasite Meteorites, but it
is also a place to put other meteorites we like to admire that we have
found or gotten...so our new specimens will be highlighted on both
sites.

We really appreciate your taking a look, and we hope to see everyone
at Tucson! We will be at the Inn Suites, Room 103.

See ya there!
Dana

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Keith and Dana Jenkerson
4596 N. Vickie Lane
Kingman, AZ., 86409
928-399-0140


From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Sat Jan 16 07:11:23 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:11:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
In-Reply-To: <4B513D13.805@usgs.gov>
References: <4B4FE354.3000503@meteoritesusa.com>
	<402fcf4aac90299508efa96eb5f9225e.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<707874.58383.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B513D13.805@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <a4b3a987bde6de409f5ba67b15b0ff78.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Jeff:

This was just the conversation that was had several years ago (almost to
the day). It was at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show (2006?; was it that
long ago?) and I (with Nancy?) was having this very discussion with Anne
Black and Geoff Notkin in their salesroom (one word) as to how to spell
strewfield (or strewn field) since we were getting articles with both
spellings. Geoff gave us the sage advice: pick one and use it! We did and
we do--an editorial decision that we have stuck to since then. So, Jeff,
since we do it a magazine (where the word is used a lot) we have chosen
strewnfield over strewn field (even if Microsoft Word does not like it).

Larry

Co-editor, Meteorite magazine

> I would conjecture that this term must have originated with the phrase
> "meteorite-strewn field," i.e. a field strewn with meteorites. If you
> search for the term "rock-strewn" in publications, it virtually always
> appears with the hyphen when used as an adjective, which I believe is
> grammatically correct. For some reason, meteoriticists in the 1940s, who
> seems to have brought the phrase into common usage, didn't like the
> hyphen, and I'm not sure anybody ever actually used "meteorite-strewn
> field" (or "tektite-strewn field") in a publication.  Instead, you see
> it without the hyphen (still a common form, "meteorite strewn field"),
> and in the abbreviated forms without the word meteorite at all:
> "strewn-field," "strewn field," and "strewnfield." But the word
> meteorite (or, sometimes, tektite) is always implied; I don't think you
> ever see mention of pumice strewnfields or hailstone strewnfields, etc.
>
> It seems to me that a new word was then born, independent of the
> original phrase.  I think the hyphenated form can clearly be discarded
> as a remnant of the original phrase, incorrectly hyphenated.  The other
> two forms are really both new coinages, and I think one might argue that
> either could be "correct," if there is such a thing as correct.  Both
> are in common use now.  If I were editing a publication, I would
> probably make the stylistic choice of adopting the single-word version,
> "strewnfield."
>
> Jeff
>
> On 2010-01-15 8:57 PM, Frank Cressy wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I think it would be correct to use "strewnfield"...one word.
>>
>> When someone talks about a corn field, two words are used.  Another way
>> to say this is : "field of corn."
>>
>> If "strewn field" is the correct, would one also be correct in saying
>> "field of strewn"?  I don't think that works.
>>
>> So I think the correct usage should be "strewnfield" like Martin used to
>> use in his columns.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents,
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu"<lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
>> To: Meteorites USA<eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>> Cc: Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 7:52:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
>>
>> Hi Eric:
>>
>> For about a year, this was a topic for the editors of Meteorite
>> magazine.
>> We decided to be consistent with strewnfield since we had the column
>> "From
>> the Strewnfields" by Martin Horejsi at the time (miss your articles in
>> the
>> magazine, Martin).
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>> Hi Listees,
>>>
>>> Thanks to you all who've written in with kind words and comments on my
>>> new article a few days back titled "What is a Meteorite Strewnfield?" I
>>> really appreciate your compliments. I hope you all enjoyed it. If you
>>> haven't read it yet please do so. It's a good informative read, and
>>> even
>>> has some pretty pictures too. ;)
>>>
>>> The reason for this email is to ask about proper use of the word(s)
>>> strewnfield. While researching the article I noticed that the numerous
>>> websites on the internet had 2 ways of spelling the it. Should it be
>>> "Strewnfield" one word... or "Strewn Field" two seperate words?
>>>
>>> Every time I type in strewnfield in a search it comes up with "Did you
>>> mean?" "strewn field" with a space. I've seen it described as "Strewn
>>> field" on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strewn_field Then in
>>> the paragraph just below it reads "strewnfield" all one word again. To
>>> make matters more confusing Encyclopedia Britannica has the word with a
>>> hyphen i.e; strewn-field.
>>> http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/569002/strewn-field Google
>>> shows 67,500 results for the phrase "strewn field" and the same amount
>>> for strewn-field" with a hyphen, meaning they don't recognize the
>>> hyphen. Google also shows 23,700 results for the single word
>>> "strewnfield". Not to mention the many articles and papers all over the
>>> internet with ALL 3 ways of usage of the word.
>>>
>>> So which is it? or does it really matter?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eric Wichman
>>> Meteorites USA
>>> www.meteoritesusa.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> Visit the Archives at
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
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>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
>
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> US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
> 954 National Center
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Sat Jan 16 07:41:37 2010
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:41:37 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
In-Reply-To: <4B513D13.805@usgs.gov>
References: <4B4FE354.3000503@meteoritesusa.com>	<402fcf4aac90299508efa96eb5f9225e.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu><707874.58383.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4B513D13.805@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <001c01ca96a9$3f6fa040$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Hello Jeff,

>and I think one might argue that either could be "correct,"

In languages always the speakers decide, what is correct. Usage rules.

Hehe, Google as a strong linguistic tool - let's check:

"strewn field"  ->  20,900 hits

"strewnfield"   ->  22,800 hits

Therefore I'd say both forms are in use and "correct".

I don't know, how productive that word building process is, cause I haven't
clues about English language, maybe Bernd can help better.

airfield
backfield
battlefield
coalfield
cornfield
downfield
goldfield
grainfield
hayfield
infield
midfield
minefield
oilfield
outfield
snowfield
subfield
upfield
Lancefield, Springfield & Garfield



Martin,
from the Streufeld. 
(hence using "strewnfield")




-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff
Grossman
Gesendet: Samstag, 16. Januar 2010 05:14
An: Meteorite-list
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?

I would conjecture that this term must have originated with the phrase 
"meteorite-strewn field," i.e. a field strewn with meteorites. If you 
search for the term "rock-strewn" in publications, it virtually always 
appears with the hyphen when used as an adjective, which I believe is 
grammatically correct. For some reason, meteoriticists in the 1940s, who 
seems to have brought the phrase into common usage, didn't like the 
hyphen, and I'm not sure anybody ever actually used "meteorite-strewn 
field" (or "tektite-strewn field") in a publication.  Instead, you see 
it without the hyphen (still a common form, "meteorite strewn field"), 
and in the abbreviated forms without the word meteorite at all: 
"strewn-field," "strewn field," and "strewnfield." But the word 
meteorite (or, sometimes, tektite) is always implied; I don't think you 
ever see mention of pumice strewnfields or hailstone strewnfields, etc.

It seems to me that a new word was then born, independent of the 
original phrase.  I think the hyphenated form can clearly be discarded 
as a remnant of the original phrase, incorrectly hyphenated.  The other 
two forms are really both new coinages, and I think one might argue that 
either could be "correct," if there is such a thing as correct.  Both 
are in common use now.  If I were editing a publication, I would 
probably make the stylistic choice of adopting the single-word version, 
"strewnfield."

Jeff





From jkellybeatty at comcast.net  Sat Jan 16 08:14:46 2010
From: jkellybeatty at comcast.net (Kelly Beatty)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:14:46 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
In-Reply-To: <4B513D13.805@usgs.gov>
References: <4B4FE354.3000503@meteoritesusa.com>	<402fcf4aac90299508efa96eb5f9225e.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu><707874.58383.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4B513D13.805@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <A4D25062FBC048D4962A3B072DC483E2@NightSkyGuy>

Jeff...

> If I were editing a publication, I would probably 
> make the stylistic choice of adopting the single-word version, "strewnfield."


I'm with you. "strewnfield" can mean only one thing, and if I ever came across
"strewn field" in text I would wonder what (besides meteorites) was strewn on
that particular field - cow patties, perhaps?

FWIW, here's an example from my 35 years of watching the English language
evolve in popular writing and publications. years ago Sky & Telescope, which
maintains a long list of style conventions, referred to "a site on the World
Wide Web" as a "Web site." then it became "Website" and finally "website".
that's how many such terms evolve. and, yes, S&T uses "strewnfield".


clear skies,
Kelly

****************
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Senior Contributing Editor
SKY & TELESCOPE
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From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Sat Jan 16 10:26:49 2010
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:26:49 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
References: <4B4FE354.3000503@meteoritesusa.com>	<402fcf4aac90299508efa96eb5f9225e.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu><707874.58383.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4B513D13.805@usgs.gov>
	<001c01ca96a9$3f6fa040$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <4D5E7209F8BA41A0861793DA7F992990@bellatrix>

> In languages always the speakers decide, what is correct. Usage rules.

Except if France and parts of Canada. They have an organization that comes 
in the middle of the night and takes you away for torture and re-education 
if you dare use a word without official sanction! <g>

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?


Hello Jeff,

>and I think one might argue that either could be "correct,"

In languages always the speakers decide, what is correct. Usage rules.

Hehe, Google as a strong linguistic tool - let's check:

"strewn field"  ->  20,900 hits

"strewnfield"   ->  22,800 hits

Therefore I'd say both forms are in use and "correct".



From freequarks at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 10:30:24 2010
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:30:24 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
In-Reply-To: <707874.58383.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4B4FE354.3000503@meteoritesusa.com>
	<402fcf4aac90299508efa96eb5f9225e.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
	<707874.58383.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <822da19a1001160730r3c788cd2y5c86108de25dbbf9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

If strewnfield is not one word (as it should be), then it will be
soon. Especially with our help.

But in today's vernacular, I suspect it is more like STRNFLD as in:

RUNTS! IANAL BUT CYA B4 U SRCH STRNFLD. WDYT?

Oh, and thanks for referencing my column Larry and Frank. I would love
to have the time again to put into the Strewnfields column again, but
it will be a while. I am, however, a new columnist for the journal The
Science Teacher (NSTA.org) with an installment titled Science 2.0.

In the mean time my monthly Accretion Desk is as much meteorite
writing as I have time for. Got to keep this fun, right?

B4N,

Martin




On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Frank Cressy <fcressy at prodigy.net> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I think it would be correct to use "strewnfield"...one word.
>
> When someone talks about a corn field, two words are used.? Another way to say this is : "field of corn."
>
> If "strewn field" is the correct, would one also be correct in saying "field of strewn"?? I don't think that works.
>
> So I think the correct usage should be "strewnfield" like Martin used to use in his columns.
>
> Just my 2 cents,
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu" <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
> To: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Cc: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 7:52:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield or Strewn Field?
>
> Hi Eric:
>
> For about a year, this was a topic for the editors of Meteorite magazine.
> We decided to be consistent with strewnfield since we had the column "From
> the Strewnfields" by Martin Horejsi at the time (miss your articles in the
> magazine, Martin).
>
> Larry
>
>> Hi Listees,
>>
>> Thanks to you all who've written in with kind words and comments on my
>> new article a few days back titled "What is a Meteorite Strewnfield?" I
>> really appreciate your compliments. I hope you all enjoyed it. If you
>> haven't read it yet please do so. It's a good informative read, and even
>> has some pretty pictures too. ;)
>>
>> The reason for this email is to ask about proper use of the word(s)
>> strewnfield. While researching the article I noticed that the numerous
>> websites on the internet had 2 ways of spelling the it. Should it be
>> "Strewnfield" one word... or "Strewn Field" two seperate words?
>>
>> Every time I type in strewnfield in a search it comes up with "Did you
>> mean?" "strewn field" with a space. I've seen it described as "Strewn
>> field" on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strewn_field Then in
>> the paragraph just below it reads "strewnfield" all one word again. To
>> make matters more confusing Encyclopedia Britannica has the word with a
>> hyphen i.e; strewn-field.
>> http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/569002/strewn-field Google
>> shows 67,500 results for the phrase "strewn field" and the same amount
>> for strewn-field" with a hyphen, meaning they don't recognize the
>> hyphen. Google also shows 23,700 results for the single word
>> "strewnfield". Not to mention the many articles and papers all over the
>> internet with ALL 3 ways of usage of the word.
>>
>> So which is it? or does it really matter?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
>> www.meteoritesusa.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From geoking at notkin.net  Sat Jan 16 12:51:45 2010
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:51:45 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" on Discovery Tonight, New Website,
	News, Tucson, etc.
Message-ID: <D69E76C1-78CD-4E60-A7F7-F892A2D80414@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

Greetings all. Steve and I are delighted to announce that Discovery  
Channel will be showing a special edition of the "Meteorite Men"  
pilot, tonight only at 10 pm Eastern, with a repeat at 1 am. Times  
vary in local markets, so please check your cable listings. I know  
many of you do not get Science Channel -- time to upgrade your cable  
package! : ) -- so this is a chance to catch the pilot on one of the  
world's top networks. It is a special edition that will feature a  
short preview of the new series which premieres this coming Wednesday.

Show time details:

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=1.14361.126184.36729.1

Having our parent network air the show is a big deal for us, so please  
tune in if you can. For our friends overseas, I am sorry to say we  
still only have US broadcast dates. We will go international at some  
point.


In other news, Science Channel unveiled their new "Meteorite Men"  
website on Thursday. Our compliments to Science and Discovery's  
extremely talented design and photography team:

http://science.discovery.com

-- and --

http://science.discovery.com/tv/meteorite-men

The new site includes an episode guide, illustrated location guide,  
show times, loads of video clips, the new promo trailers, an on- 
location photo gallery and even an "Asteroid, Comet or Meteor?" quiz,  
so you can all have fun with that  : )

And for those of you who have been wondering where we actually went  
for the six new episodes, you can now find out all about it.


In other news: Steve and I just returned from Pasadena, CA where --  
along with Science Channel President Debbie Myers and "Meteorite Men"  
Executive Producer Eric Schotz -- we presented the new series to a  
panel of over 100 international journalists and television critics. It  
was a pretty exciting day and I invite you to take a look at some  
event photos, courtesy of Getty Images:

http://topics.npr.org/photo/0fuI4Mmf0y0eK

Steve and I also attended Discovery Channel's 25th Anniversary party  
and had the opportunity to meet many of our network colleagues. It was  
also the only party I've ever been to that had live baby giraffes as  
guests, courtesy of Animal Planet. Discovery really knows how to throw  
a party!

Both the Tucson show and the series premiere are just around the  
corner. I am very pleased to say that we have arranged evening  
screening parties for the "Meteorite Men" new episode premieres on  
January 27, February 3, and February 10. We will be holding the  
parties at a very cool downtown venue, close the gem show hotels.  
Admission is free, all are welcome, and good food and drinks are  
available for purchase. And wait 'til you see the giant widescreen TV!  
Steve and I will be present at all three screenings, and we  
particularly encourage first-time visitors to the gem show to join us.  
We look forward to seeing old friends and making new ones.

I'll post exact details closer to the gem show.


And you can learn more at:

http://www.facebook.com/meteoritemen

-- and --

http://twitter.com/meteoritemen


Thanks for reading and all the best from Tucson!


Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
http://science.discovery.com/tv/meteorite-men/
www.meteoritemen.com



From rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 16 13:41:49 2010
From: rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com (Rob McCafferty)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:41:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <D7171847AEFC6A4893D80C75E547E271010EF820@nmsmail02.nms2k.int>
References: <D7171847AEFC6A4893D80C75E547E271010EF820@nmsmail02.nms2k.int>
Message-ID: <77771.4647.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I am deeply saddened by the death of Christian Anger. 
I had dealings with him several times and donated mineral samples to him on a couple of occasions and found him to be a kind and generous man.
My fondest regards go to his family at this time.

Rob McCafferty


      


From minador at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 16 15:05:58 2010
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:05:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
References: <3aef.55ef629c.387fa9aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <886884.73631.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

That is very sad news.? I expected to meet him at one of the shows someday.? He always went beyond the call of duty when I purchased something from him & he was always helpful.? My thoughts and prayers are with his family.? Best wishes to you all - safe travels as you come to Tucson!

Mark Bowling


----- Original Message ----
From: "impactika at aol.com" <impactika at aol.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc: h63strufe at aol.com
Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 3:56:42 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger



Hello everybody,

I just received this email (below) from Hanno, with very sad news.
For all of you who did not know Christian Anger, he was an expert meteorite 
collector and a very friendly guy. In his real life he was an Engineer, and 
lived near Vienna, Austria. He leaves behind an (ex)wife and two little 
girls.
And I still remember when we were waltzing together in Ensisheim, in much 
happier times.

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 

Hello Anne,

today I received an email from Harald Stehlik, that our good friend 
Christian Anger had on 14.dec 2009 a very heavy car accident and he died.

I am very shocked and sad, because Christian was not only a collector but a 
friend.
Everybody know how much fun we had when we were togheter.
We had also other private contact and were real friends.

At first he told me that he cannot come to the Munich show, because he had 
so many private problems in his mind.
Then he called me thursday evening when I was in Munich that he decided to 
come. So he was with us friday evening at the Fliegerbr?u and stayed in 
Munich till sunday afternoon. He helped me to bring some of my material back 
into the car sunday afternoon.
This was the last time I saw him.

True friendship never ends..............

Hanno Strufe

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From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 16 16:08:04 2010
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:08:04 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" on Discovery Tonight...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.39.1263661233.61676.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.39.1263661233.61676.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <COL108-W2656039920E8D32AEE8ADC9B680@phx.gbl>



Hey, I took the quiz and managed to get all 10 correct the first time out.:D A couple was sort of tricky, I thought.

Carl

 		 	   		  
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From pgspears at cox.net  Sat Jan 16 16:12:23 2010
From: pgspears at cox.net (Paul  G. Spears)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:12:23 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Refraction and cutting solvents
Message-ID: <D983BE6701C84CDA927DEA50EEC8E96C@GrandpasNetbook>

Hi, Listees:
Has anyone found a negative effect on slices or thin sections caused by 
using a lapidary cutting solvent, distilled water, alcohol, mineral oil, or 
any other coolant in the cutting and polishing of meteorites, assuming 
prudent care is exercised by cleaning and drying the slices afterward?  Do 
any of them cause a change in the refraction of light in thin sections?

Your comments and suggestions will be appreciated as learning by trial and 
error is not my favorite way to get an education!  The tuition is way too 
high!
Regards to all,
Paul G. Spears
IMCA #3272

 



From starsandscopes at aol.com  Sat Jan 16 16:31:01 2010
From: starsandscopes at aol.com (starsandscopes at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:31:01 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Refraction and cutting solvents
Message-ID: <ae8e.60f6b67d.38838a15@aol.com>



Hi Paul,  I am not aware of any change to  optical properties of material 
due to lubricants but with the more advanced  testing watch out.

I had some material that I polished with a diamond  slurry to 1/4 micron.  
I sent some to a respected researcher that I  occasionally consult  (he 
helps me out a lot!).  The sample was  analyzed on a Raman Spectrometer and 
found to contain carbon.  As this  material was (kind of) unique and produced an 
odor when cutting or polishing, I  naturally figured it was carbonaceous.  
I circulated that information and  wound up quite embarrassed when it turned 
out to be an OC.  It appears the  diamond slurry was an oil base that 
changed the spectrometer signature.

I  think the proper solvent wash would of prevent this but I didn't think 
of it so  I never washed the sample or told my friend what I had used in the 
sample  preparation.

Tom Phillips

In a message dated 1/16/2010 2:15:02  P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
pgspears at cox.net writes:
Hi, Listees:
Has  anyone found a negative effect on slices or thin sections caused by 
using a  lapidary cutting solvent, distilled water, alcohol, mineral oil, 
or 
any  other coolant in the cutting and polishing of meteorites, assuming 
prudent  care is exercised by cleaning and drying the slices afterward?  Do 
any  of them cause a change in the refraction of light in thin sections?

Your  comments and suggestions will be appreciated as learning by trial and 
error  is not my favorite way to get an education!  The tuition is way too  
high!
Regards to all,
Paul G. Spears
IMCA  #3272



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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 16 16:38:03 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:38:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" on Discovery Tonight,
	New Website, News, Tucson, etc.
In-Reply-To: <D69E76C1-78CD-4E60-A7F7-F892A2D80414@notkin.net>
Message-ID: <623705.72457.qm@web113601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Notkin <geoking at notkin.net> wrote:

> Greetings all. Steve and I are delighted to announce that
> Discovery Channel will be showing a special edition of the
> "Meteorite Men" pilot, tonight only at 10 pm Eastern, with a
> repeat at 1 am. 



Geoff,

by "special edition", do you mean just that the original pilot is airing on Discovery or that this is a different cut of the pilot?

Thanks


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081



      


From starsandscopes at aol.com  Sat Jan 16 16:56:00 2010
From: starsandscopes at aol.com (starsandscopes at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:56:00 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] An offer for meteorite microimaging to dealers (No
	thin section required)
Message-ID: <b4b3.730c3083.38838ff0@aol.com>




Hi list,  For the last couple  years I have been working nearly exclusively 
on thin sections in cross polarized  light.  This was due, only partly, to 
my failure to come up with a  satisfactory digital photo adapter on my 
Neophot but most significantly to Jeff  Hodges fantastic thin section library.  
He has very generously loaned me  thin sections for years.

I am now back on track with the Neophot (It is a  large incident 
(reflected) light inverted microscope).  In fact, I just  purchased another one.  It 
has on it some very special parts such as a  polarized light illuminator with 
a sub parallel compensator, Bertrand lens and  micro polarizing 
adjustments.  I have looked for years for these  parts.  They had seemed to be made out 
of pure unobtaineum. 

For an  example of the type of images I will be producing please look at my 
latest post  to my micrograph gallery on JaH 073.  Unlike cross polarized 
transmitted  light thin section images, these images are true color.  As I 
like to say  "Just what it looks like way up  close".

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/articles/jah_073/

Please  keep in mind, I am not vested in my JaH 073 observations.  They are 
just a  guess.  I am open to other interpretations of the images.  It is  
mostly just me having fun with micrographs.

I am looking for interesting  classified material to image.  (I have boxes 
of unclassified NWA so I don't  need that kind of stuff)  I do not need a 
thin section but a sample of  roughly 1 gram or larger that I am free to 
polish.  I finish with a 1/4  micron diamond slurry to get clear shots at 
magnifications up to 1600 X.  I  don't want to do any cutting.  Things happen when 
cutting.  Things  like falling apart material and unaccounted for missing 
crumbs!  I am just  not set up for that.  

I will safely return the sample with a CD of  images that you and I are 
free to use.  You can use the images to promote  your material, heck, you can 
make Tee shirts and calendars if you like.  In  fact, I want you to use 
them!!!  All I ask is that my name is attached to  all products or postings,  and 
that I am free to use or pass along the  images as well.  The operative 
word is "return", so I am looking for the  GOOD STUFF.

I am shooting at a resolution of 12 mp so they should be up  to any 
application you might have in mind.

Ideally, I would also like to  partner in an article where I provide the 
images and you do the rest!   Basically, you write an article and I will give 
you some additional images to  add to the mix.  Even if we produce an 
article and it is not placed you  could use it in your promotion of the material 
for sale and I will post it to my  gallery.

Please email me with any ideas.   Tom Phillips  



From photophlow at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 16 17:02:13 2010
From: photophlow at yahoo.com (Shawn Alan)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:02:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Allende and a new mineral called Tistarite......
Message-ID: <747091.35980.qm@web113614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello List,



A couple weeks ago I came across a letter on the internet published in the American Mineralogist, Vol 94, pages 841-844, 2009 (here is a link to the letter http://www.its.caltech.edu/~chima/publications/2009_AM_tistarite.pdf ) and the topic was about a new mineral found in Allende, called Tistarite.

 

Last month I purchased an Allende meteorite and since then been fascinated by the thought that Allende is older then dirt, to be more exacted, 4.57 billion years old. And to top it off, Allende has traces of nanodiamonds from near by supernovas, making the fine-grain microscopic particles older then our solar system.

 

Now in 2009 from American Mineralogist I read that scientists have found a new mineral only present in Allende meteorite, which is called Tistarite. My question is how will this new mineral impact Allende meteorite in the science and meteorite communities and what significance will it have on future discoveries for new minerals?

 

Thank you
Shawn Alan


From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 17:13:11 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:13:11 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] For Sale,
	66-gram Etched Gibeon and 300 gram Campo Del Cielo Iron Meteorites
Message-ID: <e51421551001161413k69cb004bsb9d1d69c2945a0bd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks!

I have large 300-gram Campo del Cielo iron meteorite available.  It
comes with a metal display label and a magnetic display stand.  I am
offering this meteorite to my mailing list customers for only $80
shipped (US only - Canada and Overseas will be extra).  I have photos
available upon request.

Note - my website is experiencing problems right now and some sections
of my website are not working currently.  So please respond to me vial
email.

I also have a beautiful 66-gram etched Gibeon iron that is shaped like
a dagger or obelisk.  It has one natural side and the other sides are
brilliantly etched.  The piece stands on one end vertically and
displays in several other positions.  This piece is striking and the
etch job is top quality.  The price is only $100 shipped - under the
going market rate for etched Gibeon, less yet a piece of this high
quality.  I have photos available upon request.

Lastly - I received a new shipment of Fulgurites, which are now listed
in the store.  In the coming week I will be getting micromounts of Ash
Creek (Texas), Murchison, and Park Forest.  Keep an eye on my "Brand
New!" page of my website in the coming days.

Thanks for looking and clear skies!

MikeG


From geoking at notkin.net  Sat Jan 16 17:37:10 2010
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:37:10 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" on Discovery Tonight,
	New Website, News, Tucson, etc.
In-Reply-To: <623705.72457.qm@web113601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <623705.72457.qm@web113601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1E72C140-A7E0-49AB-9D63-B1FD2FA1C8D9@notkin.net>

Richard Posted:

> by "special edition", do you mean just that the original pilot is  
> airing on Discovery or that this is a different cut of the pilot?


Dear Richard:

Our executive producer at Science advised us that the version of the  
pilot airing tonight will be largely the same as the original, but  
will include a short trailer for the new series. I expect that to be a  
composite of scenes from the upcoming episodes.

We are excited by this broadcast because -- as you know -- Discovery  
is one of the larger cable networks in the world, and so this special  
airing will hopefully introduce meteorite science and meteorite  
collecting to a much larger audience.

At least we hope so!  : )


See you at the gem show, cheers,

Geoff

www.aerolite.org
http://science.discovery.com/tv/meteorite-men/
www.meteoritemen.com


From impactika at aol.com  Sat Jan 16 17:55:58 2010
From: impactika at aol.com (impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:55:58 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Tucson is in 2 weeks!!!
Message-ID: <b6be.113e8b5c.38839dfe@aol.com>



Hello List members,

In 2 weeks the Tucson Show will be open for business.
Only 2 weeks, and there is still so much to do. So much to pack.
 
Here are a few highlights of what I will bring with me:
 
First and foremost:  Almahata Sitta, also known as Asteroid 2008 TC3, 
discovered by Richard Kowalski (thank you Richard!) and the Catalina Sky Survey, 
found in Sudan by Siegfried Haberer (thank you Siegfried!), and now in 
Exclusivity in my room in the InnSuites. It has been classified as a ureilite, 
but there is much more to it than that, the study continues, now it is being 
called "extraordinary" by the experts and compared to Kaidun!. 
Just take a look at the Abstract:  _http://www.impactika.com/ASitta.pdf_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/ASitta.pdf) 

Also Somervell County, the only pallasite ever found in Texas, newly 
cleaned and stabilized. A very special meteorite from the Monnig Collection. 
 
A huge selection of historical, named meteorites. I call them Meteorites 
with a pedigree! 
 
And the largest collection of thin-sections in the world!  All of ET's 
(thank you ET) and mine.
 
And I am probably forgetting a lot of other great pieces!
 
See you all very soon in room 230 in the InnSuites (now Hotel Tucson City 
Center) in Tucson.
And if you can't wait, you can always contact me by email.
Thanks.

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
http://www.imca.cc/


From freequarks at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 18:33:09 2010
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:33:09 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Allende and a new mineral called
	Tistarite......
In-Reply-To: <747091.35980.qm@web113614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <747091.35980.qm@web113614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Hi Shawn,

I doubt it will change the value of Allende, but it is one of the
cooler new names for a discovery:

"The mineral is named after the composition "Ti" and the word "star,"
implying that this new refractory mineral is among the first solids
formed in the solar system."

-Martin


On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello List,
>
>
>
> A couple weeks ago I came across a letter on the internet published in the American Mineralogist, Vol 94, pages 841-844, 2009 (here is a link to the letter http://www.its.caltech.edu/~chima/publications/2009_AM_tistarite.pdf ) and the topic was about a new mineral found in Allende, called Tistarite.
>
>
>
> Last month I purchased an Allende meteorite and since then been fascinated by the thought that Allende is older then dirt, to be more exacted, 4.57 billion years old. And to top it off, Allende has traces of nanodiamonds from near by supernovas, making the fine-grain microscopic particles older then our solar system.
>
>
>
> Now in 2009 from American Mineralogist I read that scientists have found a new mineral only present in Allende meteorite, which is called Tistarite. My question is how will this new mineral impact Allende meteorite in the science and meteorite communities and what significance will it have on future discoveries for new minerals?
>
>
>
> Thank you
> Shawn Alan
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From miss_meteorite at yahoo.ca  Sat Jan 16 18:38:20 2010
From: miss_meteorite at yahoo.ca (Melanie Matthews)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:38:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
In-Reply-To: <77771.4647.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <D7171847AEFC6A4893D80C75E547E271010EF820@nmsmail02.nms2k.int>
	<77771.4647.qm@web55205.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39783.82010.qm@web114004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Never heard of him until he was mentioned about his death here on the list... sounded like a great guy. My condolences to his family and closest friends.. RIP Christian. 

I thought I'd share this - back in October I visited my uncle (very nice sweet guy) in the nursing home, and showed him some of my meteorites. He was somewhat interested in space, and was very pleased and facinated as he held and looked at them. That was the last time I saw hims.. He passed away peacefully sometime in December. 

 -----------
Melanie
IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09

Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get!



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From: Rob McCafferty <rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 10:41:49 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger

I am deeply saddened by the death of Christian Anger. 
I had dealings with him several times and donated mineral samples to him on a couple of occasions and found him to be a kind and generous man.
My fondest regards go to his family at this time.

Rob McCafferty


      
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From grf2 at comcast.net  Sat Jan 16 22:08:32 2010
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:08:32 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] An offer for meteorite microimaging to dealers
	(Nothin section required)
References: <b4b3.730c3083.38838ff0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <027741A7BF524C4DA1E7E7A0BB564B26@ASUS>

DOUBLE WOW Tom,
I never thought you'd be able to top your thin section collection but I'm 
wrong again!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jerry

--------------------------------------------------
From: <starsandscopes at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 4:56 PM
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] An offer for meteorite microimaging to dealers 
(Nothin section required)

>
>
>
> Hi list,  For the last couple  years I have been working nearly 
> exclusively
> on thin sections in cross polarized  light.  This was due, only partly, to
> my failure to come up with a  satisfactory digital photo adapter on my
> Neophot but most significantly to Jeff  Hodges fantastic thin section 
> library.
> He has very generously loaned me  thin sections for years.
>
> I am now back on track with the Neophot (It is a  large incident
> (reflected) light inverted microscope).  In fact, I just  purchased 
> another one.  It
> has on it some very special parts such as a  polarized light illuminator 
> with
> a sub parallel compensator, Bertrand lens and  micro polarizing
> adjustments.  I have looked for years for these  parts.  They had seemed 
> to be made out
> of pure unobtaineum.
>
> For an  example of the type of images I will be producing please look at 
> my
> latest post  to my micrograph gallery on JaH 073.  Unlike cross polarized
> transmitted  light thin section images, these images are true color.  As I
> like to say  "Just what it looks like way up  close".
>
> http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/articles/jah_073/
>
> Please  keep in mind, I am not vested in my JaH 073 observations.  They 
> are
> just a  guess.  I am open to other interpretations of the images.  It is
> mostly just me having fun with micrographs.
>
> I am looking for interesting  classified material to image.  (I have boxes
> of unclassified NWA so I don't  need that kind of stuff)  I do not need a
> thin section but a sample of  roughly 1 gram or larger that I am free to
> polish.  I finish with a 1/4  micron diamond slurry to get clear shots at
> magnifications up to 1600 X.  I  don't want to do any cutting.  Things 
> happen when
> cutting.  Things  like falling apart material and unaccounted for missing
> crumbs!  I am just  not set up for that.
>
> I will safely return the sample with a CD of  images that you and I are
> free to use.  You can use the images to promote  your material, heck, you 
> can
> make Tee shirts and calendars if you like.  In  fact, I want you to use
> them!!!  All I ask is that my name is attached to  all products or 
> postings,  and
> that I am free to use or pass along the  images as well.  The operative
> word is "return", so I am looking for the  GOOD STUFF.
>
> I am shooting at a resolution of 12 mp so they should be up  to any
> application you might have in mind.
>
> Ideally, I would also like to  partner in an article where I provide the
> images and you do the rest!   Basically, you write an article and I will 
> give
> you some additional images to  add to the mix.  Even if we produce an
> article and it is not placed you  could use it in your promotion of the 
> material
> for sale and I will post it to my  gallery.
>
> Please email me with any ideas.   Tom Phillips
>
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 22:46:36 2010
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:46:36 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt?
Message-ID: <80659e1a1001161946i5d020dcdn2976a24cbbfdb68e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have received 6-10 emails in the last week (from list members and
others) asking if I would host a group hunt during the Tucson show.
I'm not sure If I can since during this time I will be rushed - as
most of us will be. However, I just may have time if it were to happen
on Feb 3rd or 4th.

So here's your chance. If you have always wanted to find a meteorite
but didn't know how or where, please contact me. I'll need to know
where you would like to hunt (Arizona strewnfields/Dry lakes etc...)
and if the above dates will work.

Please don't hesitate to email me as I will need to make a decision
very soon. It doesn't matter If you are a new or old list member or
whether we have even met. If you want to join in, speak now. There are
not many chances to learn from an experienced hunter. The more people
that contact me the more likely I will put aside time to do this.

So contact me and lets see if we can do this!

Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u


From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Jan 16 23:01:34 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:01:34 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Save those pennies,
	guys!  The ultimate space collectable!
In-Reply-To: <e51421551001161413k69cb004bsb9d1d69c2945a0bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e51421551001161413k69cb004bsb9d1d69c2945a0bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2s25l5t019j7qkvq5iibkoc80ha919cpni@4ax.com>

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gbvF6Yz_frq7aG8mvqx11MxbmotQ


From arizonakeith at cox.net  Sun Jan 17 02:02:43 2010
From: arizonakeith at cox.net (Arizona Keith)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:02:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday H. H. Nininger
Message-ID: <691997C15CE44F7D8E6AE6187D10D635@Keith2>

Hello List

I like to post a Happy Birthday to Harvey Harlow Nininger, Born 1-17-1887, 
The Father of Meteorite Hunting and the first true Meteorite Man.

Hope to see everyone that come to the Tucson show this year, and like last 
year I'll be giving away Ice Cream at this year show and hope to take and 
post more photos than last year.

My best to all.
Keith
Chandler, AZ




From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Sun Jan 17 04:19:39 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:19:39 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show - If You Can't Go
Message-ID: <4B52D62B.2070105@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Listees,

If you can't make it to the Tucson show this year but would like to 
opportunity to buy great meteorites at great prices contact me asap as 
I'm heading to the show early. Those who respond "before" I leave for 
the show get the best prices. Once on the road I will not be accepting 
orders. Contact me offlist for prices.

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA


From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan 17 05:08:42 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:08:42 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday H. H. Nininger
In-Reply-To: <691997C15CE44F7D8E6AE6187D10D635@Keith2>
Message-ID: <20100117100842.CCZXV.223172.root@web07-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Keith and list,

Can someone let me know exactly where Niningers meteorite museum was/is near meteor crater...hoping to take a look on the way down to Tucson.

See you all there....We will be staying at the Westward Look Resort from the 4th to the 9th Feb if anyone wants to make contact.

Graham Ensor, Nr Barwell, UK

---- Arizona Keith <arizonakeith at cox.net> wrote: 
> Hello List
> 
> I like to post a Happy Birthday to Harvey Harlow Nininger, Born 1-17-1887, 
> The Father of Meteorite Hunting and the first true Meteorite Man.
> 
> Hope to see everyone that come to the Tucson show this year, and like last 
> year I'll be giving away Ice Cream at this year show and hope to take and 
> post more photos than last year.
> 
> My best to all.
> Keith
> Chandler, AZ
> 
> 
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From Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de  Sun Jan 17 05:37:18 2010
From: Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de (Thomas Kurtz)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:37:18 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Christian and his first meteorite find
Message-ID: <20100117103718.262680@gmx.net>

Dear list,

I?m so sorry reading the sad news.
We knew each other since last century and I was often talking with him on Gifhorn/Munic/Ensisheim shows.

One day, when I was in my home in Poland Erich Heiderer and Christian gave me a call to get some advices for Morasko-irons hunting.
Instead to go to Morasko I recommended to go to the fresh fall area near Moravka in the Czech republic.
They followed my advice and after 7-8 days hunting Christian found a great individual of around 130g under a tree ! I was so happy about his discovery and excitement to find his first meteorite !
Later in Gifhorn he gave me a small piece of it as a gift.

Rast in peace Christian and keep an eye to hazardous asteroids.

With sympathy to Christians family,

Thomas Kurtz /Ries-crater/Germany
-- 
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From info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar  Sun Jan 17 06:34:24 2010
From: info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar (Eduardo)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:34:24 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pre-Tucson.  Huge sale.
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a1001161946i5d020dcdn2976a24cbbfdb68e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0000047445@webmail.abaco.net.ar>

Hi
This year I decided to offer on-line some of the specimens I have in my 
Tucson room.

There are over 30 really amazing specimens including:

Covert  14.5KG MAIN MASS
Esquel   529g perfect slice (and a couple of smaller specimens)
Allende   250g half thin slice
Barratta  592 g full slice
Ghubara 2.8kg end piece
Gibeon. Great  specimens up to 9kg.

All specimens with fixed Price and best offer option can be seen at:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZsmfmeteoritesQQhtZ-1

I will ship them on Feb 1 from Tucson
Of course, free shipping if you pick em up from our room at Tucson show 
from Feb 1 to feb 8:
Executive Inn, room 136 (333 w drachman st)
hope to see you soon
Eduardo



From abudka at nycap.rr.com  Sun Jan 17 08:09:18 2010
From: abudka at nycap.rr.com (abudka at nycap.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 8:09:18 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men - Congratulations!
Message-ID: <20100117130918.FOU5G.3077.root@cdptpa-web22-z01>

Congratulations to Steve and Jeff on the super program!  

Faceted olivine crystals rather than crushed olivines and shards should provide new insights into extraterrestrial crystal growth conditions!

Phyllis Budka
meteormetals.com






From almitt2 at localnet.com  Sun Jan 17 09:32:14 2010
From: almitt2 at localnet.com (almitt2 at localnet.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:32:14 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday H. H. Nininger
In-Reply-To: <691997C15CE44F7D8E6AE6187D10D635@Keith2>
References: <691997C15CE44F7D8E6AE6187D10D635@Keith2>
Message-ID: <20100117093214.o5916byj6kg0gck4@webmail.localnet.com>

Greetings to everyone,

Since Keith has mentioned Harvey Nininger's Birthday, I would like to 
invite those who are interested in sharing a few of Harvey's meteorite 
hunting adventures by going to the meteorite.com site which generously 
host the Nininger Moments.

Direct link is here: http://www.meteorite.com/nininger/

Have fun!

--AL Mitterling



Quoting Arizona Keith <arizonakeith at cox.net>:

> Hello List
>
> I like to post a Happy Birthday to Harvey Harlow Nininger, Born 
> 1-17-1887, The Father of Meteorite Hunting and the first true 
> Meteorite Man.
>
> Hope to see everyone that come to the Tucson show this year, and like 
> last year I'll be giving away Ice Cream at this year show and hope to 
> take and post more photos than last year.
>
> My best to all.
> Keith
> Chandler, AZ
>
>
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From tricottetcoll at live.com  Sun Jan 17 11:13:57 2010
From: tricottetcoll at live.com (The Tricottet Collection)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:13:57 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday H. H. Nininger
In-Reply-To: <20100117093214.o5916byj6kg0gck4@webmail.localnet.com>
References: <691997C15CE44F7D8E6AE6187D10D635@Keith2>,
	<20100117093214.o5916byj6kg0gck4@webmail.localnet.com>
Message-ID: <BLU117-W6F22CDB09240DA80CAB64DD670@phx.gbl>


Page on Nininger and the American Meteorite Laboratory:
http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_exh_nininger.html

ArnaudM
 		 	   		  
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From photophlow at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 12:44:03 2010
From: photophlow at yahoo.com (Shawn Alan)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:44:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing fossil
	BV/HC/RBC.... TOO FUNNY
Message-ID: <470095.28579.qm@web113616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Helle Listies,

This is the second time I have seen this item being auctioned on eBay 

"Martian Iron Meteorite" containing fossil BV/HC/RBC  

http://cgi.ebay.com/Martian-Iron-Meteorite-containing-fossil-BV-HC-RBC_W0QQitemZ130359697886QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e5a0b21de


I find it hilarious the lengths individuals go through to make a buck these days. The best part of the eBay auction listing is where the individauil states?... 

?I recently found many meteorites actually contain fossils of Mars?...

They are from Mars because there are thousands upon thousands of meteorites that possess fossils of mammals. Thousands of mammals could not have lived in asteroids as they needed a complex ecosystem to sustain them, such as water source, vegetation, other smaller animals, etc. So, they must have originated from a planet, not asteroids. Mars, rather than any other planet, is the only possible planet that originated those fossils found in meteorites.?

A good read with your Sunday cartoon funnys, just remember, in the other hand you might have a hot cup of coffee, so dont laugh to hard.

Shawn Alan



From cdtucson at cox.net  Sun Jan 17 12:09:42 2010
From: cdtucson at cox.net (cdtucson at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:09:42 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield it's official
Message-ID: <20100117120942.C0BDN.17797.imail@fed1rmwml43>

List,
Strewnfield  as a single word is now official. Sort of . see link;

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Strewnfield

Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax



From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 13:03:02 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:03:02 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing fossil
	BV/HC/RBC.... TOO FUNNY
In-Reply-To: <470095.28579.qm@web113616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <470095.28579.qm@web113616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e51421551001171003p4cf224f5pf402e03a080e06f6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Shawn and List,

I would hope that buyers are too savvy to fall for this blatant
forgery/scam.  But I guess you never know.... I have seen this same
seller offer several similar bogus meteorite items.  I wonder how
obvious a scam has to be before eBay will take action?  I can't
imagine eBay letting this auction continue once it's brought to their
attention.  Funny thing is, I tried to report this same item to eBay,
but there was no way to select a proper explanation from their canned
list of reasons.

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG

PS - I have micromounts of the Brooklyn Bridge available, contact me
if interested. ;)



On 1/17/10, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Helle Listies,
>
> This is the second time I have seen this item being auctioned on eBay
>
> "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing fossil BV/HC/RBC
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Martian-Iron-Meteorite-containing-fossil-BV-HC-RBC_W0QQitemZ130359697886QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e5a0b21de
>
>
> I find it hilarious the lengths individuals go through to make a buck these
> days. The best part of the eBay auction listing is where the individauil
> states?...
>
> ?I recently found many meteorites actually contain fossils of Mars?...
>
> They are from Mars because there are thousands upon thousands of meteorites
> that possess fossils of mammals. Thousands of mammals could not have lived
> in asteroids as they needed a complex ecosystem to sustain them, such as
> water source, vegetation, other smaller animals, etc. So, they must have
> originated from a planet, not asteroids. Mars, rather than any other planet,
> is the only possible planet that originated those fossils found in
> meteorites.?
>
> A good read with your Sunday cartoon funnys, just remember, in the other
> hand you might have a hot cup of coffee, so dont laugh to hard.
>
> Shawn Alan
>
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From starsandscopes at aol.com  Sun Jan 17 13:11:16 2010
From: starsandscopes at aol.com (starsandscopes at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:11:16 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing fossil
	BV/HC/RBC.......
Message-ID: <18b8f.5b2c89bb.3884acc4@aol.com>



Hi Shawn,  I this is the same guy who has  been posting using many peoples 
micrographs, giving credit of course, (But that  is even worse!!!) his views 
of animal and human bits he sees in meteorite  micrographs.

One partial segment "The figure is imaged by Mr. Tom  Phillips, an e. ... 
Meteorite contains Martian blood vessel remains, magnified  to 16000X"

How many zeros is that?  I am proud to take reflected  light images at 
magnifications up to 1600X as this is close to the limit of  optical visible 
light microscopes.  the details are lost at levels much  higher because the 
wave lengths of visible light are to big.  I guess 1600X  didn't sound 
impressive enough.

Look at the links if you dare but watch  out, your Sunday cartoon funnys 
enjoyment just might turn to a  nightmare.

Tom  Phillips


http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-352371

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/lin440315

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/browse_thread/thread/99332b3abbf2acec


In  a message dated 1/17/2010 10:44:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
photophlow at yahoo.com writes:
Helle Listies,

This is the second time I  have seen this item being auctioned on eBay 

"Martian Iron Meteorite"  containing fossil BV/HC/RBC   

http://cgi.ebay.com/Martian-Iron-Meteorite-containing-fossil-BV-HC-RBC_W0QQi
temZ130359697886QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e5a0b21de


I  find it hilarious the lengths individuals go through to make a buck 
these days.  The best part of the eBay auction listing is where the individauil 
states?...  

?I recently found many meteorites actually contain fossils of  Mars?...

They are from Mars because there are thousands upon thousands of  
meteorites that possess fossils of mammals. Thousands of mammals could not have  
lived in asteroids as they needed a complex ecosystem to sustain them, such as  
water source, vegetation, other smaller animals, etc. So, they must have  
originated from a planet, not asteroids. Mars, rather than any other planet, 
is  the only possible planet that originated those fossils found in  
meteorites.?

A good read with your Sunday cartoon funnys, just remember,  in the other 
hand you might have a hot cup of coffee, so dont laugh to  hard.

Shawn  Alan

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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 13:17:17 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:17:17 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing fossil
	BV/HC/RBC.......
In-Reply-To: <18b8f.5b2c89bb.3884acc4@aol.com>
References: <18b8f.5b2c89bb.3884acc4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e51421551001171017u53ed5745re58e837b3263d91b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tom and List,

Maybe we should connect this guy with the fake-lunar spammer - they
would make a good couple. ;)

Best regards,

MikeG

On 1/17/10, starsandscopes at aol.com <starsandscopes at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Shawn,  I this is the same guy who has  been posting using many peoples
> micrographs, giving credit of course, (But that  is even worse!!!) his views
> of animal and human bits he sees in meteorite  micrographs.
>
> One partial segment "The figure is imaged by Mr. Tom  Phillips, an e. ...
> Meteorite contains Martian blood vessel remains, magnified  to 16000X"
>
> How many zeros is that?  I am proud to take reflected  light images at
> magnifications up to 1600X as this is close to the limit of  optical visible
> light microscopes.  the details are lost at levels much  higher because the
> wave lengths of visible light are to big.  I guess 1600X  didn't sound
> impressive enough.
>
> Look at the links if you dare but watch  out, your Sunday cartoon funnys
> enjoyment just might turn to a  nightmare.
>
> Tom  Phillips
>
>
> http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-352371
>
> http://www.wretch.cc/blog/lin440315
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/browse_thread/thread/99332b3abbf2acec
>
>
> In  a message dated 1/17/2010 10:44:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> photophlow at yahoo.com writes:
> Helle Listies,
>
> This is the second time I  have seen this item being auctioned on eBay
>
> "Martian Iron Meteorite"  containing fossil BV/HC/RBC
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Martian-Iron-Meteorite-containing-fossil-BV-HC-RBC_W0QQi
> temZ130359697886QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e5a0b21de
>
>
> I  find it hilarious the lengths individuals go through to make a buck
> these days.  The best part of the eBay auction listing is where the
> individauil
> states?...
>
> ?I recently found many meteorites actually contain fossils of  Mars?...
>
> They are from Mars because there are thousands upon thousands of
> meteorites that possess fossils of mammals. Thousands of mammals could not
> have
> lived in asteroids as they needed a complex ecosystem to sustain them, such
> as
> water source, vegetation, other smaller animals, etc. So, they must have
> originated from a planet, not asteroids. Mars, rather than any other planet,
> is  the only possible planet that originated those fossils found in
> meteorites.?
>
> A good read with your Sunday cartoon funnys, just remember,  in the other
> hand you might have a hot cup of coffee, so dont laugh to  hard.
>
> Shawn  Alan
>
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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Sun Jan 17 13:29:20 2010
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:29:20 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday H. H. Nininger
In-Reply-To: <BLU117-W6F22CDB09240DA80CAB64DD670@phx.gbl>
References: <691997C15CE44F7D8E6AE6187D10D635@Keith2>,
	<20100117093214.o5916byj6kg0gck4@webmail.localnet.com>
	<BLU117-W6F22CDB09240DA80CAB64DD670@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A04931087F8548C5B4FB1AAC6CCA6D21@meteorroom>

Great page Arnaud...a lot of good information!
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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Page on Nininger and the American Meteorite Laboratory:
http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_exh_nininger.html

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From fallingfusion at wi.rr.com  Sun Jan 17 13:37:26 2010
From: fallingfusion at wi.rr.com (fallingfusion at wi.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:37:26 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted - Zagami
Message-ID: <20100117183726.VBCYU.182242.root@cdptpa-web15-z02>

I am looking for a small (<2g) slice or fragment of Zagami. Fusion crust present is preferred.

Please email me off-list with your offer.

Thanks!

Ryan



From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Jan 17 13:56:20 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:56:20 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing fossil
	BV/HC/RBC.... TOO FUNNY
In-Reply-To: <470095.28579.qm@web113616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <470095.28579.qm@web113616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <n1n6l5pi96mqqlrsuhr7ooa5tqeedsg61o@4ax.com>

This guy's web site was making so many Ed Conrad-like claims (including
fossilized Haversian canals) that I thought maybe the guy had copied Ed's site,
but it looks like he is a genuine loon all on his own, possibly inspired by Ed
Conrad.  Witness a thread between this guy ("Fossil Lin") and one S. Ray
DeRusse!

http://www.natscience.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/geology/6235/Why-anatomists-hesitate-on-this-Mars-fossil

Even an insane nutbag troll thinks that the Mars fossil guy is an insane nutbag
troll...


From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Jan 17 14:01:44 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:01:44 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing fossil
	BV/HC/RBC.... TOO FUNNY
In-Reply-To: <470095.28579.qm@web113616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <470095.28579.qm@web113616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cjn6l5tat4t1euknbmrk8igsu21eicdcin@4ax.com>

Yep, he (Lin Liangtai) is connected to Ed Conrad:

http://www.photokb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/photography/9795/TESTING-CONFIRMS-MAN-INDEED-AS-OLD-AS-COAL-Lin-Liangtai-of


From starsandscopes at aol.com  Sun Jan 17 14:14:37 2010
From: starsandscopes at aol.com (starsandscopes at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:14:37 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing fossil
	BV/HC/RBC....
Message-ID: <19eda.40b8277c.3884bb9d@aol.com>



Wow!   I guess if all of don't read  and BELIVE we are:   

"members of the entire Scientific  Establishment are totally corrupt -- 
actually,
members of a PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC  Establishment -- who have NOT sought truth 
about man's origin and ancestry but  have gone along with a COLLOSAL LIE to 
protect their vested  interests."

I'm flattered he likes my micrographs! 

I wanted to  say to the list.  I am capable of getting my self into enough 
hot water on  my own.  I have not communicated with these guys in any way.  
The  images are copy and paste out of my gallery.

Tom


In a message  dated 1/17/2010 11:57:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
cynapse at charter.net  writes:
Yep, he (Lin Liangtai) is connected to Ed  Conrad:

http://www.photokb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/photography/9795/TESTING-CONFIRMS-MAN-
INDEED-AS-OLD-AS-COAL-Lin-Liangtai-of
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan 17 14:16:15 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:16:15 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt?
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a1001161946i5d020dcdn2976a24cbbfdb68e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100117191615.1EZZO.90814.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Ruben, All 

As part of our tight schedule we intend to be in the Holbrook area on Wed 3rd, So if that fits in with you or any others that would be great....

probably staying somewhere in Flagstaff that night...nothing booked though. Would have liked to have attended one of Geoff's Meteortie Men viewings (one that eve) but it looks like we won't make them now we have out tour around all booked up....wish we had known about all the exciting extra events this year earlier on, then we would have booked our tour around them....so frustrating when you have to book so far ahead.

Anyone know what time the Meteorite Men viewing start's and where? Just trying to make sure I have all options covered before we leave the UK. Desperately trying to see if we can find ways of getting to one them....Geoff?

Also....anyone know any more about the timing of the ASU meteorite exhibition on the 30th eg. is it just for the one evening or will the meteorites still be available to see during the rest of the show?....and anything about the proposed tour up to the telescope which was suggested...quote..
"There will be opportunities to take a *tour* with the Mt. Lemmon SkyCenter on 
a different night to *see the telescope on Mt. Lemmon where TC3 was 
discovered* by Richard Kowalski.

Has an evening been confirmed? 

I don't seem to be having any luck getting replies from Geoff and Dorothy.

Sorry about all the questions via the list but many thanks to all those who have replied with help, advice, maps etc.

Looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of weeks time.

Cheers,

Graham Ensor, UK



---- Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have received 6-10 emails in the last week (from list members and
> others) asking if I would host a group hunt during the Tucson show.
> I'm not sure If I can since during this time I will be rushed - as
> most of us will be. However, I just may have time if it were to happen
> on Feb 3rd or 4th.
> 
> So here's your chance. If you have always wanted to find a meteorite
> but didn't know how or where, please contact me. I'll need to know
> where you would like to hunt (Arizona strewnfields/Dry lakes etc...)
> and if the above dates will work.
> 
> Please don't hesitate to email me as I will need to make a decision
> very soon. It doesn't matter If you are a new or old list member or
> whether we have even met. If you want to join in, speak now. There are
> not many chances to learn from an experienced hunter. The more people
> that contact me the more likely I will put aside time to do this.
> 
> So contact me and lets see if we can do this!
> 
> Rock On!
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> 
> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
> ______________________________________________
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Sun Jan 17 16:01:58 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:01:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
In-Reply-To: <20100117191615.1EZZO.90814.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <20100117191615.1EZZO.90814.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <d5b4b542aed1753b6ea408f02dfbb34a.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Graham:

Before we let you in to Arizona, a little geography lesson:

Tucson, Arizona: University of Arizona (UA Wildcats)

Tempe (Phoenix), Arizona: Arizona State University (ASU Sun Devils)

Flagstaff, Arizona: Northern Arizona University (NAU Lumberjacks)

If you mix them up, you might get strung up from the nearest tree!

Larry



> Hi Ruben, All
>
> As part of our tight schedule we intend to be in the Holbrook area on Wed
> 3rd, So if that fits in with you or any others that would be great....
>
> probably staying somewhere in Flagstaff that night...nothing booked
> though. Would have liked to have attended one of Geoff's Meteortie Men
> viewings (one that eve) but it looks like we won't make them now we have
> out tour around all booked up....wish we had known about all the exciting
> extra events this year earlier on, then we would have booked our tour
> around them....so frustrating when you have to book so far ahead.
>
> Anyone know what time the Meteorite Men viewing start's and where? Just
> trying to make sure I have all options covered before we leave the UK.
> Desperately trying to see if we can find ways of getting to one
> them....Geoff?
>
> Also....anyone know any more about the timing of the ASU meteorite
> exhibition on the 30th eg. is it just for the one evening or will the
> meteorites still be available to see during the rest of the show?....and
> anything about the proposed tour up to the telescope which was
> suggested...quote..
> "There will be opportunities to take a *tour* with the Mt. Lemmon
> SkyCenter on
> a different night to *see the telescope on Mt. Lemmon where TC3 was
> discovered* by Richard Kowalski.
>
> Has an evening been confirmed?
>
> I don't seem to be having any luck getting replies from Geoff and Dorothy.
>
> Sorry about all the questions via the list but many thanks to all those
> who have replied with help, advice, maps etc.
>
> Looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of weeks time.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Graham Ensor, UK
>
>
>
> ---- Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have received 6-10 emails in the last week (from list members and
>> others) asking if I would host a group hunt during the Tucson show.
>> I'm not sure If I can since during this time I will be rushed - as
>> most of us will be. However, I just may have time if it were to happen
>> on Feb 3rd or 4th.
>>
>> So here's your chance. If you have always wanted to find a meteorite
>> but didn't know how or where, please contact me. I'll need to know
>> where you would like to hunt (Arizona strewnfields/Dry lakes etc...)
>> and if the above dates will work.
>>
>> Please don't hesitate to email me as I will need to make a decision
>> very soon. It doesn't matter If you are a new or old list member or
>> whether we have even met. If you want to join in, speak now. There are
>> not many chances to learn from an experienced hunter. The more people
>> that contact me the more likely I will put aside time to do this.
>>
>> So contact me and lets see if we can do this!
>>
>> Rock On!
>>
>> Ruben Garcia
>>
>> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
>> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
>> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan 17 16:19:03 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:19:03 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
In-Reply-To: <d5b4b542aed1753b6ea408f02dfbb34a.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <20100117211903.RLKEF.94720.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Ooops....thanks for the warning...good job there are not that many tree's about in the area's we are visiting!

Cheers Larry....anyone at the show taking subscriptions for meteorite magazine or have I still got to post the form via snail mail.

Regards,

Graham

---- lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu wrote: 
> Hi Graham:
> 
> Before we let you in to Arizona, a little geography lesson:
> 
> Tucson, Arizona: University of Arizona (UA Wildcats)
> 
> Tempe (Phoenix), Arizona: Arizona State University (ASU Sun Devils)
> 
> Flagstaff, Arizona: Northern Arizona University (NAU Lumberjacks)
> 
> If you mix them up, you might get strung up from the nearest tree!
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> 
> > Hi Ruben, All
> >
> > As part of our tight schedule we intend to be in the Holbrook area on Wed
> > 3rd, So if that fits in with you or any others that would be great....
> >
> > probably staying somewhere in Flagstaff that night...nothing booked
> > though. Would have liked to have attended one of Geoff's Meteortie Men
> > viewings (one that eve) but it looks like we won't make them now we have
> > out tour around all booked up....wish we had known about all the exciting
> > extra events this year earlier on, then we would have booked our tour
> > around them....so frustrating when you have to book so far ahead.
> >
> > Anyone know what time the Meteorite Men viewing start's and where? Just
> > trying to make sure I have all options covered before we leave the UK.
> > Desperately trying to see if we can find ways of getting to one
> > them....Geoff?
> >
> > Also....anyone know any more about the timing of the ASU meteorite
> > exhibition on the 30th eg. is it just for the one evening or will the
> > meteorites still be available to see during the rest of the show?....and
> > anything about the proposed tour up to the telescope which was
> > suggested...quote..
> > "There will be opportunities to take a *tour* with the Mt. Lemmon
> > SkyCenter on
> > a different night to *see the telescope on Mt. Lemmon where TC3 was
> > discovered* by Richard Kowalski.
> >
> > Has an evening been confirmed?
> >
> > I don't seem to be having any luck getting replies from Geoff and Dorothy.
> >
> > Sorry about all the questions via the list but many thanks to all those
> > who have replied with help, advice, maps etc.
> >
> > Looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of weeks time.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Graham Ensor, UK
> >
> >
> >
> > ---- Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I have received 6-10 emails in the last week (from list members and
> >> others) asking if I would host a group hunt during the Tucson show.
> >> I'm not sure If I can since during this time I will be rushed - as
> >> most of us will be. However, I just may have time if it were to happen
> >> on Feb 3rd or 4th.
> >>
> >> So here's your chance. If you have always wanted to find a meteorite
> >> but didn't know how or where, please contact me. I'll need to know
> >> where you would like to hunt (Arizona strewnfields/Dry lakes etc...)
> >> and if the above dates will work.
> >>
> >> Please don't hesitate to email me as I will need to make a decision
> >> very soon. It doesn't matter If you are a new or old list member or
> >> whether we have even met. If you want to join in, speak now. There are
> >> not many chances to learn from an experienced hunter. The more people
> >> that contact me the more likely I will put aside time to do this.
> >>
> >> So contact me and lets see if we can do this!
> >>
> >> Rock On!
> >>
> >> Ruben Garcia
> >>
> >> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> >> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> >> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> Visit the Archives at
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > Visit the Archives at
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> 
> 



From damoclid at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 16:30:39 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:30:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
In-Reply-To: <20100117211903.RLKEF.94720.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <432059.64690.qm@web113619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Be careful what you say! We have one of the "Moon Trees" right outside LPL.

What is a Moon Tree? 

They are trees grown from seeds that flew to lunar orbit with Stuart Roosa on Apollo 14.

Read here for more information:

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/moon_tree.html

The moon tree outside the Kuiper Space Sciences building, where the Arizona Meteorite Exhibition will be held, is a Sycamore (platanus occidentalis). More can be found out about it here:

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/moon_trees/tucson_tree.html


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Sun, 1/17/10, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
> To: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
> Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:19 PM
> Ooops....thanks for the
> warning...good job there are not that many tree's about in
> the area's we are visiting!
> 
> Cheers Larry....anyone at the show taking subscriptions for
> meteorite magazine or have I still got to post the form via
> snail mail.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Graham
> 
> ---- lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
> wrote: 
> > Hi Graham:
> > 
> > Before we let you in to Arizona, a little geography
> lesson:
> > 
> > Tucson, Arizona: University of Arizona (UA Wildcats)
> > 
> > Tempe (Phoenix), Arizona: Arizona State University
> (ASU Sun Devils)
> > 
> > Flagstaff, Arizona: Northern Arizona University (NAU
> Lumberjacks)
> > 
> > If you mix them up, you might get strung up from the
> nearest tree!
> > 
> > Larry
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi Ruben, All
> > >
> > > As part of our tight schedule we intend to be in
> the Holbrook area on Wed
> > > 3rd, So if that fits in with you or any others
> that would be great....
> > >
> > > probably staying somewhere in Flagstaff that
> night...nothing booked
> > > though. Would have liked to have attended one of
> Geoff's Meteortie Men
> > > viewings (one that eve) but it looks like we
> won't make them now we have
> > > out tour around all booked up....wish we had
> known about all the exciting
> > > extra events this year earlier on, then we would
> have booked our tour
> > > around them....so frustrating when you have to
> book so far ahead.
> > >
> > > Anyone know what time the Meteorite Men viewing
> start's and where? Just
> > > trying to make sure I have all options covered
> before we leave the UK.
> > > Desperately trying to see if we can find ways of
> getting to one
> > > them....Geoff?
> > >
> > > Also....anyone know any more about the timing of
> the ASU meteorite
> > > exhibition on the 30th eg. is it just for the one
> evening or will the
> > > meteorites still be available to see during the
> rest of the show?....and
> > > anything about the proposed tour up to the
> telescope which was
> > > suggested...quote..
> > > "There will be opportunities to take a *tour*
> with the Mt. Lemmon
> > > SkyCenter on
> > > a different night to *see the telescope on Mt.
> Lemmon where TC3 was
> > > discovered* by Richard Kowalski.
> > >
> > > Has an evening been confirmed?
> > >
> > > I don't seem to be having any luck getting
> replies from Geoff and Dorothy.
> > >
> > > Sorry about all the questions via the list but
> many thanks to all those
> > > who have replied with help, advice, maps etc.
> > >
> > > Looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple
> of weeks time.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Graham Ensor, UK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---- Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> I have received 6-10 emails in the last week
> (from list members and
> > >> others) asking if I would host a group hunt
> during the Tucson show.
> > >> I'm not sure If I can since during this time
> I will be rushed - as
> > >> most of us will be. However, I just may have
> time if it were to happen
> > >> on Feb 3rd or 4th.
> > >>
> > >> So here's your chance. If you have always
> wanted to find a meteorite
> > >> but didn't know how or where, please contact
> me. I'll need to know
> > >> where you would like to hunt (Arizona
> strewnfields/Dry lakes etc...)
> > >> and if the above dates will work.
> > >>
> > >> Please don't hesitate to email me as I will
> need to make a decision
> > >> very soon. It doesn't matter If you are a new
> or old list member or
> > >> whether we have even met. If you want to join
> in, speak now. There are
> > >> not many chances to learn from an experienced
> hunter. The more people
> > >> that contact me the more likely I will put
> aside time to do this.
> > >>
> > >> So contact me and lets see if we can do
> this!
> > >>
> > >> Rock On!
> > >>
> > >> Ruben Garcia
> > >>
> > >> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> > >> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> > >> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
> > >>
> ______________________________________________
> > >> Visit the Archives at
> > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> > >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > >
> > > ______________________________________________
> > > Visit the Archives at
> > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> ______________________________________________
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan 17 16:44:12 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:44:12 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
In-Reply-To: <432059.64690.qm@web113619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100117214412.ZC1TQ.95399.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Richard

Wow..I was 'hanging around' those trees then when I visited the Flandrau Centre during my last Tucson show then? Thinking of doing a mad drive down from the Grand Canyon for that evening at the Kuiper Space Sciences building. Have you heard any more about/had anything to do with a trip up to the observatory that has been mentioned. 

Congratulations on your discovery of 2008 TC3 and thus Almahatta Sitta by the way...never got round to saying that, but have my slice sitting proudly at the front of my collection.

Regards,

Graham


---- Richard Kowalski <damoclid at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Be careful what you say! We have one of the "Moon Trees" right outside LPL.
> 
> What is a Moon Tree? 
> 
> They are trees grown from seeds that flew to lunar orbit with Stuart Roosa on Apollo 14.
> 
> Read here for more information:
> 
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/moon_tree.html
> 
> The moon tree outside the Kuiper Space Sciences building, where the Arizona Meteorite Exhibition will be held, is a Sycamore (platanus occidentalis). More can be found out about it here:
> 
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/moon_trees/tucson_tree.html
> 
> 
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA #1081
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/17/10, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
> > To: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
> > Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:19 PM
> > Ooops....thanks for the
> > warning...good job there are not that many tree's about in
> > the area's we are visiting!
> > 
> > Cheers Larry....anyone at the show taking subscriptions for
> > meteorite magazine or have I still got to post the form via
> > snail mail.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Graham
> > 
> > ---- lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
> > wrote: 
> > > Hi Graham:
> > > 
> > > Before we let you in to Arizona, a little geography
> > lesson:
> > > 
> > > Tucson, Arizona: University of Arizona (UA Wildcats)
> > > 
> > > Tempe (Phoenix), Arizona: Arizona State University
> > (ASU Sun Devils)
> > > 
> > > Flagstaff, Arizona: Northern Arizona University (NAU
> > Lumberjacks)
> > > 
> > > If you mix them up, you might get strung up from the
> > nearest tree!
> > > 
> > > Larry
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Hi Ruben, All
> > > >
> > > > As part of our tight schedule we intend to be in
> > the Holbrook area on Wed
> > > > 3rd, So if that fits in with you or any others
> > that would be great....
> > > >
> > > > probably staying somewhere in Flagstaff that
> > night...nothing booked
> > > > though. Would have liked to have attended one of
> > Geoff's Meteortie Men
> > > > viewings (one that eve) but it looks like we
> > won't make them now we have
> > > > out tour around all booked up....wish we had
> > known about all the exciting
> > > > extra events this year earlier on, then we would
> > have booked our tour
> > > > around them....so frustrating when you have to
> > book so far ahead.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know what time the Meteorite Men viewing
> > start's and where? Just
> > > > trying to make sure I have all options covered
> > before we leave the UK.
> > > > Desperately trying to see if we can find ways of
> > getting to one
> > > > them....Geoff?
> > > >
> > > > Also....anyone know any more about the timing of
> > the ASU meteorite
> > > > exhibition on the 30th eg. is it just for the one
> > evening or will the
> > > > meteorites still be available to see during the
> > rest of the show?....and
> > > > anything about the proposed tour up to the
> > telescope which was
> > > > suggested...quote..
> > > > "There will be opportunities to take a *tour*
> > with the Mt. Lemmon
> > > > SkyCenter on
> > > > a different night to *see the telescope on Mt.
> > Lemmon where TC3 was
> > > > discovered* by Richard Kowalski.
> > > >
> > > > Has an evening been confirmed?
> > > >
> > > > I don't seem to be having any luck getting
> > replies from Geoff and Dorothy.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry about all the questions via the list but
> > many thanks to all those
> > > > who have replied with help, advice, maps etc.
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple
> > of weeks time.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Graham Ensor, UK
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---- Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> Hi all,
> > > >>
> > > >> I have received 6-10 emails in the last week
> > (from list members and
> > > >> others) asking if I would host a group hunt

> > during the Tucson show.
> > > >> I'm not sure If I can since during this time
> > I will be rushed - as
> > > >> most of us will be. However, I just may have
> > time if it were to happen
> > > >> on Feb 3rd or 4th.
> > > >>
> > > >> So here's your chance. If you have always
> > wanted to find a meteorite
> > > >> but didn't know how or where, please contact
> > me. I'll need to know
> > > >> where you would like to hunt (Arizona
> > strewnfields/Dry lakes etc...)
> > > >> and if the above dates will work.
> > > >>
> > > >> Please don't hesitate to email me as I will
> > need to make a decision
> > > >> very soon. It doesn't matter If you are a new
> > or old list member or
> > > >> whether we have even met. If you want to join
> > in, speak now. There are
> > > >> not many chances to learn from an experienced
> > hunter. The more people
> > > >> that contact me the more likely I will put
> > aside time to do this.
> > > >>
> > > >> So contact me and lets see if we can do
> > this!
> > > >>
> > > >> Rock On!
> > > >>
> > > >> Ruben Garcia
> > > >>
> > > >> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> > > >> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> > > >> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
> > > >>
> > ______________________________________________
> > > >> Visit the Archives at
> > > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> > > >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > > >
> > > > ______________________________________________
> > > > Visit the Archives at
> > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> > > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > 
> 
> 
>       
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From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 17:41:02 2010
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:41:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Joe's meteor-wrong
Message-ID: <969283.46815.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Joe,  

I think it is time for your meteor-wrong to get another name besides Joe's meteor-wrong. Following the meteorite naming conventions, what is the nearest point to your "finds"?

I think you might have good luck with a monograph, showing the "strewnfield" distribution and how and who finally determined it was a meteor wrong. 

This monograph might be very useful for dealing with those who come in to labs with meteor-wrongs, showing them how even pretty well educated collectors can be fooled by good looking meteor-wrongs. 

Ed

PS - Kinko's will do a plastic binding at a very low cost.








      


From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Sun Jan 17 17:49:05 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:49:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
In-Reply-To: <20100117211903.RLKEF.94720.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <20100117211903.RLKEF.94720.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <dab7b2b670a6d2287a455532e8a2e451.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>

I will take cash for subscriptions at the show. Probably can do credit
cards, too, if you trust me with the number (could use a vacation).

Larry

> Ooops....thanks for the warning...good job there are not that many tree's
> about in the area's we are visiting!
>
> Cheers Larry....anyone at the show taking subscriptions for meteorite
> magazine or have I still got to post the form via snail mail.
>
> Regards,
>
> Graham
>
> ---- lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu wrote:
>> Hi Graham:
>>
>> Before we let you in to Arizona, a little geography lesson:
>>
>> Tucson, Arizona: University of Arizona (UA Wildcats)
>>
>> Tempe (Phoenix), Arizona: Arizona State University (ASU Sun Devils)
>>
>> Flagstaff, Arizona: Northern Arizona University (NAU Lumberjacks)
>>
>> If you mix them up, you might get strung up from the nearest tree!
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi Ruben, All
>> >
>> > As part of our tight schedule we intend to be in the Holbrook area on
>> Wed
>> > 3rd, So if that fits in with you or any others that would be great....
>> >
>> > probably staying somewhere in Flagstaff that night...nothing booked
>> > though. Would have liked to have attended one of Geoff's Meteortie Men
>> > viewings (one that eve) but it looks like we won't make them now we
>> have
>> > out tour around all booked up....wish we had known about all the
>> exciting
>> > extra events this year earlier on, then we would have booked our tour
>> > around them....so frustrating when you have to book so far ahead.
>> >
>> > Anyone know what time the Meteorite Men viewing start's and where?
>> Just
>> > trying to make sure I have all options covered before we leave the UK.
>> > Desperately trying to see if we can find ways of getting to one
>> > them....Geoff?
>> >
>> > Also....anyone know any more about the timing of the ASU meteorite
>> > exhibition on the 30th eg. is it just for the one evening or will the
>> > meteorites still be available to see during the rest of the
>> show?....and
>> > anything about the proposed tour up to the telescope which was
>> > suggested...quote..
>> > "There will be opportunities to take a *tour* with the Mt. Lemmon
>> > SkyCenter on
>> > a different night to *see the telescope on Mt. Lemmon where TC3 was
>> > discovered* by Richard Kowalski.
>> >
>> > Has an evening been confirmed?
>> >
>> > I don't seem to be having any luck getting replies from Geoff and
>> Dorothy.
>> >
>> > Sorry about all the questions via the list but many thanks to all
>> those
>> > who have replied with help, advice, maps etc.
>> >
>> > Looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of weeks time.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Graham Ensor, UK
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ---- Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I have received 6-10 emails in the last week (from list members and
>> >> others) asking if I would host a group hunt during the Tucson show.
>> >> I'm not sure If I can since during this time I will be rushed - as
>> >> most of us will be. However, I just may have time if it were to
>> happen
>> >> on Feb 3rd or 4th.
>> >>
>> >> So here's your chance. If you have always wanted to find a meteorite
>> >> but didn't know how or where, please contact me. I'll need to know
>> >> where you would like to hunt (Arizona strewnfields/Dry lakes etc...)
>> >> and if the above dates will work.
>> >>
>> >> Please don't hesitate to email me as I will need to make a decision
>> >> very soon. It doesn't matter If you are a new or old list member or
>> >> whether we have even met. If you want to join in, speak now. There
>> are
>> >> not many chances to learn from an experienced hunter. The more people
>> >> that contact me the more likely I will put aside time to do this.
>> >>
>> >> So contact me and lets see if we can do this!
>> >>
>> >> Rock On!
>> >>
>> >> Ruben Garcia
>> >>
>> >> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
>> >> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
>> >> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
>> >> ______________________________________________
>> >> Visit the Archives at
>> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________
>> > Visit the Archives at
>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >
>>
>>
>




From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Sun Jan 17 18:30:35 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:30:35 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Meteorites, Dealers, Partners & Sponsors
Message-ID: <4B539D9B.4050000@meteoritesusa.com>

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Meteorites USA
760-522-2152






From damoclid at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 18:32:42 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:32:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
In-Reply-To: <20100117214412.ZC1TQ.95399.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <815022.12660.qm@web113612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

It is a 6.5 hours drive from Grand Canyon Village to Tucson, if you don't stop and don't run into traffic.

Dolores is eternally busy, so I'm not that surprised she hasn't had a chance to respond.

The trip up to Mt. Lemmon is a separate event hosted by the people at the Mt. Lemmon Sky Center. I'm not sure of the date, but Dolores might have that information I'm sure once she has it she'll post it here.

Thank you and I'm glad you have a slice of TC3. As Anne Black said, she'll have samples for sale in her room. I'll probably be in and out of her room several times the first few days as well, and with Geoff as her room mate, I imagine that room will a hub of non-stop activity.

--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Sun, 1/17/10, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:44 PM
> Hi Richard
> 
> Wow..I was 'hanging around' those trees then when I visited
> the Flandrau Centre during my last Tucson show then?
> Thinking of doing a mad drive down from the Grand Canyon for
> that evening at the Kuiper Space Sciences building. Have you
> heard any more about/had anything to do with a trip up to
> the observatory that has been mentioned. 
> 
> Congratulations on your discovery of 2008 TC3 and thus
> Almahatta Sitta by the way...never got round to saying that,
> but have my slice sitting proudly at the front of my
> collection.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Graham
> 
> 


      


From dhill at lpl.arizona.edu  Sun Jan 17 19:03:15 2010
From: dhill at lpl.arizona.edu (Dolores Hill)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:03:15 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
In-Reply-To: <815022.12660.qm@web113612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <815022.12660.qm@web113612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B53A543.4000403@lpl.arizona.edu>

Dear Graham and Meteorite_List,

Thanks Richard!  You know I'm busy -ha!

Here is some information on the Mt. Lemmon SkyCenter tours during the 
Tucson Gem Show time frame:  http://skycenter.arizona.edu/
There is a fee and reservations required for these tours; I am not sure 
if they are daytime or nighttime:
Jan. 29 and 30  Tour groups at Biosphere 2 and the Flandrau Science 
Center will enjoy views of Mars via _remote_ observing from Mt. Lemmon   
(Note that Jan. 30 is the same night as the free Arizona Meteorite 
Exhibition).
Feb. 13 and 14  on Mt. Lemmon 
Feb. 24 and 25  on Mt. Lemmon

These activities are independent of the Arizona Meteorite Exhibition.  
So for more specific information on times and travel arrangements
call (520) 626-8122 or email SkyCenter at as.arizona.edu 
<mailto:SkyCenter at as.arizona.edu>.

I hope to see many of you soon!
Dolores Hill

Richard Kowalski wrote:
> It is a 6.5 hours drive from Grand Canyon Village to Tucson, if you don't stop and don't run into traffic.
>
> Dolores is eternally busy, so I'm not that surprised she hasn't had a chance to respond.
>
> The trip up to Mt. Lemmon is a separate event hosted by the people at the Mt. Lemmon Sky Center. I'm not sure of the date, but Dolores might have that information I'm sure once she has it she'll post it here.
>
> Thank you and I'm glad you have a slice of TC3. As Anne Black said, she'll have samples for sale in her room. I'll probably be in and out of her room several times the first few days as well, and with Geoff as her room mate, I imagine that room will a hub of non-stop activity.
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA #1081
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/17/10, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
>> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:44 PM
>> Hi Richard
>>
>> Wow..I was 'hanging around' those trees then when I visited
>> the Flandrau Centre during my last Tucson show then?
>> Thinking of doing a mad drive down from the Grand Canyon for
>> that evening at the Kuiper Space Sciences building. Have you
>> heard any more about/had anything to do with a trip up to
>> the observatory that has been mentioned. 
>>
>> Congratulations on your discovery of 2008 TC3 and thus
>> Almahatta Sitta by the way...never got round to saying that,
>> but have my slice sitting proudly at the front of my
>> collection.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
>       
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>   



From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan 17 20:15:06 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 1:15:06 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
In-Reply-To: <4B53A543.4000403@lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <20100118011506.09N0R.98470.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Many thanks Delores for the information that has been a great help in deciding what to do on our visit. Thanks for taking time to get back to me before we leave for Tucson.

Hope all goes well with the event and everyone has a great time that evening.
I look forward to seeing all the photographs and reports.

Best Regards,

Graham

---- Dolores Hill <dhill at lpl.arizona.edu> wrote: 
> Dear Graham and Meteorite_List,
> 
> Thanks Richard!  You know I'm busy -ha!
> 
> Here is some information on the Mt. Lemmon SkyCenter tours during the 
> Tucson Gem Show time frame:  http://skycenter.arizona.edu/
> There is a fee and reservations required for these tours; I am not sure 
> if they are daytime or nighttime:
> Jan. 29 and 30  Tour groups at Biosphere 2 and the Flandrau Science 
> Center will enjoy views of Mars via _remote_ observing from Mt. Lemmon   
> (Note that Jan. 30 is the same night as the free Arizona Meteorite 
> Exhibition).
> Feb. 13 and 14  on Mt. Lemmon 
> Feb. 24 and 25  on Mt. Lemmon
> 
> These activities are independent of the Arizona Meteorite Exhibition.  
> So for more specific information on times and travel arrangements
> call (520) 626-8122 or email SkyCenter at as.arizona.edu 
> <mailto:SkyCenter at as.arizona.edu>.
> 
> I hope to see many of you soon!
> Dolores Hill
> 
> Richard Kowalski wrote:
> > It is a 6.5 hours drive from Grand Canyon Village to Tucson, if you don't stop and don't run into traffic.
> >
> > Dolores is eternally busy, so I'm not that surprised she hasn't had a chance to respond.
> >
> > The trip up to Mt. Lemmon is a separate event hosted by the people at the Mt. Lemmon Sky Center. I'm not sure of the date, but Dolores might have that information I'm sure once she has it she'll post it here.
> >
> > Thank you and I'm glad you have a slice of TC3. As Anne Black said, she'll have samples for sale in her room. I'll probably be in and out of her room several times the first few days as well, and with Geoff as her room mate, I imagine that room will a hub of non-stop activity.
> >
> > --
> > Richard Kowalski
> > http://fullmoonphotography.net
> > IMCA #1081
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
> >> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
> >> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:44 PM
> >> Hi Richard
> >>
> >> Wow..I was 'hanging around' those trees then when I visited
> >> the Flandrau Centre during my last Tucson show then?
> >> Thinking of doing a mad drive down from the Grand Canyon for
> >> that evening at the Kuiper Space Sciences building. Have you
> >> heard any more about/had anything to do with a trip up to
> >> the observatory that has been mentioned. 
> >>
> >> Congratulations on your discovery of 2008 TC3 and thus
> >> Almahatta Sitta by the way...never got round to saying that,
> >> but have my slice sitting proudly at the front of my
> >> collection.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Graham
> >>
> >>
> >>     
> >
> >
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From mpg4444 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 20:17:01 2010
From: mpg4444 at gmail.com (Michael Groetz)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:17:01 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Beaver Crossing uncovered evidence of prehistoric
	humans
Message-ID: <ad733151001171717g2b116630r51efd23c40a14d26@mail.gmail.com>

List-
   From the York, Nebraska newspaper. Maybe Mr. Grodine you can help
the paper answer this? It sounds right up your alley. Hope I am not
out of line in asking.
   Thank You
Mike Groetz


http://www.yorknewstimes.com/articles/2010/01/16/news/doc4b51383570c72661683334.txt

........"Q: In a Nebraska newspaper, where they recounted that day in
history, I saw that in 1948, ?scientists excavating a half-ton
meteorite at Beaver Crossing uncovered evidence of prehistoric humans
in that area.? Does anyone remember anything about this or have any
more information?

A: Wonderline has been sitting on this question for literally months
and has not been able to find any information about this. If anyone
knows anything about it ? the half-ton meteorite or the evidence of
prehistoric humans ? they are encouraged to contact us. We?d love to
find more information about it, but seem to have hit a wall on these
topics, relating to Beaver Crossing."..............


From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Jan 17 20:26:33 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:26:33 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Beaver Crossing uncovered evidence of
	prehistoric humans
In-Reply-To: <ad733151001171717g2b116630r51efd23c40a14d26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad733151001171717g2b116630r51efd23c40a14d26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91e7l51mli240lij8hin8sk28hv3n46uhb@4ax.com>

On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:17:01 -0500, you wrote:

>........"Q: In a Nebraska newspaper, where they recounted that day in
>history, I saw that in 1948, ?scientists excavating a half-ton
>meteorite at Beaver Crossing uncovered evidence of prehistoric humans
>in that area.? 

Since "prehistoric" means "before written history", "prehistoric" in North
America means 500 years ago.  Evidence that there were humans in North America
500 (or 5,000, or 10,000) years ago would not be exactly world-shattering
information.


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Sun Jan 17 20:33:00 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:33:00 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Need Nininger Photo
Message-ID: <4B53BA4C.7040505@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi All,

I''m looking for a good Harvey H Nininger photo for my site. Preferrably 
with him holding a meteorite, or hunting for meteorites.

Please send only photos available for publishing that either that you 
own the copyright to, or that are public domain.

Links to photos are welcome.

Thanks!

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA


From damoclid at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 20:52:37 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:52:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Snow in Arizona
Message-ID: <552958.50139.qm@web113613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Mike farmer suggested I mention to those coming to Arizona in the next week or so, that during this week, heavy snowfalls are predicted in a number of areas. Higher elevations will see accumulations, in some locations significant amounts. I didn't see the reports today but he said that there may be several feet around the Grand Canyon, Flagstaff and on top of Mt. Lemmon. It is supposed to start snowing up there tomorrow with the chance of the snow fall continuing every day until Saturday!

This warning certainly is not intended to discourage anyone from visiting this great state, or taking the tour of Mt. Lemmon, but to make you aware of potential conditions around the state.

The county is usually great at clearing and reopening Catalina Highway, the only road up to the top of Mt. Lemmon in the winter, so I wouldn't worry about your not being able to tour the site. However, be aware that even if it is sunny and 70 degrees F (21C) in town, is can be cloudy, windy and in the 30s (<10C) at the telescopes.

Of course, this snow event is this week and the show doesn't start until two weeks from now, but it wouldn't hurt to be aware of the changing weather and pack accordingly.


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


      


From starsandscopes at aol.com  Sun Jan 17 23:46:02 2010
From: starsandscopes at aol.com (starsandscopes at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:46:02 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] A good read on converting standard microscopes to
	polarizing-chondrule formation
Message-ID: <25a54.58253358.3885418a@aol.com>



Hi list,  Not a typo, one article that  covers such things as conversion of 
a standard bright field microscope to  polarization, various lighting 
techniques, as well as chondrule  formation.

A little slow in parts but then again, this isn't  HBO!

An example to persuade you to take a look or cause you to hit your  delete 
key so fast it's left with fusion crust.

"The "classic" barred  olivine texture is a single plate dendrite 
(Donaldson, 1976) which shares the  entire chondrule with the remaining glass or 
subsequent crystallization  products. Olivine rimming the chondrule is often in 
optical continuity with the  dendrite and thus is part of the plate 
dendrite. Because this texture is so  striking, barred olivine (BO) chondrules are 
well known even to people outside  the field of meteorites. When chondrules 
are discussed, a photomicrograph of a  barred olivine texture is usually 
chosen as one of a few or even the only  example. It is not surprising that 
considerable effort has been expended  understanding its origin. Barred olivine 
textures comprise only a few percent of  melt-textured chondrules, usually 
less than 5% (Gooding and Keil, 1981). The  "classic" barred texture 
represents only 10% of the type 3 ordinary chondrite BO  chondrules. By careful 
study, Weisberg (1987) determined that the multiple plate  dendrite is a much 
more common that the single dendrite. Most investigators  propose that BO 
chondrules form from melt droplets that crystallize rapidly upon  cooling."

Enjoy?  but then check out my Meteorite Micrograph Gallery  hosted by 
Meteorite Times.  I employ most of the techniques outlined in  this article in my 
various image  styles.

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/meteorites-alpha_frame.htm

Tom  Phillips  



From fallingfusion at wi.rr.com  Mon Jan 18 03:58:31 2010
From: fallingfusion at wi.rr.com (fallingfusion at wi.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 3:58:31 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted - Fresh L or LL Fragments
Message-ID: <20100118085831.DCAIZ.193185.root@cdptpa-web25-z01>

Good evening (night) everyone... 

I forgot to mention earlier, I'm also looking for fusion-crusted fragments (10-100g) of fresh L or LL Chondrites, witnessed falls... Bensour, Benguerir, ect. 

Please email off-list with your offer, please. 

Cheers...

Ryan


From epgrondine at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 09:55:43 2010
From: epgrondine at yahoo.com (E.P. Grondine)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:55:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Beaver Crossing
Message-ID: <29466.4647.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Mike, Darren- 

Thanks for the info, Mike. A half ton main mass may mean that smaller pieces were likely to be in the area. I expect that you hunters will be taking a look around when the weather gets warmer; it is quite likely that while the Native peoples did pick up whatever fragments they could find, they did not find all of the fragments. 

I would not be surprised if some of those fragments that they found turned up in later excavations, but as Darren points out, that may not give you a fall date, but simply their find date.

Geoff, Steve, when "Meteorite Men" starts in on season two, please ask Discovery if they'll fund my joining you for the hunt.

I am tending an ill friend here in frigid Illinois, and really miss not being able to be there in sunny Tucson. 

Ed







      


From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 11:08:16 2010
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:08:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Oriented Button/Disks and More
Message-ID: <511113.22198.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,
 
I have several excellent auctions ending this week so be sure to take a 
look if you have time. I loaded my two best oriented buttons with paper like 
folded back lip-over rims.  It took searching through over 30,000 individuals to 
find these two museum quality examples.  If they fail to sell, I will gladly put 
them back in my collection.

There are several rare main masses due to end this 
week as well.  I lowered the price for the last time to below my costs in some 
cases.  I will be introducing and loading several different planetary meteorites 
on eBay when I return from Tucson so keep an eye out.   This will be the largest 
selection ever available from a single source.
 
All Auctions Can Be Found At This link:
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ


Thank 
you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.

Best 
Regards,

------------------------------------
Adam Hupe
The Hupe 
Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
raremeteorites at yahoo.com


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 11:09:51 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:09:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
Message-ID: <276287.1093.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have often wondered and after some discussion with others I wanted to get the community feeling on the issue of pairings.

If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out there and more is recovered and verified to be the same material from the same strewnfield, should the new material share the NWA number and the TKW be updated?
I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and many other meteorites.
Same material with different numbers and TKWs listed.

Would it not be in the best interest to have all the paired samples share on number? This would surely cut the amount of NWA material by 1000 or more.
Why is this not done?

What is the process for pairing material to share the NWA number?
Is it up to the dealer or the person who did testing?

What affect would it have on value if something with a listed TKW of 200g suddenly was paired with the 3 other numbers assigned to the same material and the TKW was pushed to 1kg or more?
Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this a concern for some?

I am trying to better understand the politics/red tape that goes with this area.

Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.

Greg C.







      


From astroroks at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 18 11:16:58 2010
From: astroroks at hotmail.com (Dennis Miller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:16:58 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield it's official
In-Reply-To: <20100117120942.C0BDN.17797.imail@fed1rmwml43>
References: <20100117120942.C0BDN.17797.imail@fed1rmwml43>
Message-ID: <COL113-W47AE0FB6FAE5B0CD2C9AF6B1660@phx.gbl>


Wow!  I sure hope that satisfies the majority of listers.  I was about to through
out a discussion on weather it's "Wal Mart" or "Walmart", just to change the
subject!  Ha!  Thanks for your input!
Dennis
 
 
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:09:42 -0500
> From: cdtucson at cox.net
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield it's official
> 
> List,
> Strewnfield as a single word is now official. Sort of . see link;
> 
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Strewnfield
> 
> Carl
> --
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> Meteoritemax
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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 11:12:30 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:12:30 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <276287.1093.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <276287.1093.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e51421551001180812x76c39a9cq9ba490f4139dc185@mail.gmail.com>

Good question Greg.  I'm curious to see if you'll hear anything other
than crickets in response. ;)

On 1/18/10, Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have often wondered and after some discussion with others I wanted to get
> the community feeling on the issue of pairings.
>
> If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out there and more is recovered
> and verified to be the same material from the same strewnfield, should the
> new material share the NWA number and the TKW be updated?
> I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and many other meteorites.
> Same material with different numbers and TKWs listed.
>
> Would it not be in the best interest to have all the paired samples share on
> number? This would surely cut the amount of NWA material by 1000 or more.
> Why is this not done?
>
> What is the process for pairing material to share the NWA number?
> Is it up to the dealer or the person who did testing?
>
> What affect would it have on value if something with a listed TKW of 200g
> suddenly was paired with the 3 other numbers assigned to the same material
> and the TKW was pushed to 1kg or more?
> Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this a concern for some?
>
> I am trying to better understand the politics/red tape that goes with this
> area.
>
> Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.
>
> Greg C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From fujmon at mac.com  Mon Jan 18 11:35:38 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:35:38 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Lunar, fall stones, and ebay auctions
Message-ID: <1CCCA48B-D5B3-4E6C-94ED-D47CA04EF413@mac.com>

Aloha listoids,

LUNAR 
The Big Kahuna has a special offer on this MLK day - a fresh 4.10g crusted slice of NWA 4734 lunar mare basalt on ebay ending tomorrow at a starting bid well below market.  No bids yet means I will consider all reasonable offers from metlist subscribers, and pull off ebay for a direct sale (more below).

FALL STONES
I have some very nice fall stones (and finds) and NWA material on my temporary website: http://astroday.net/meteorites4sale.html.  Among the offerings are Agoult, Allende, Bensour, Bjurbole, Camel Donga, Claxton, D'Orbigny, Kilabo, Millbillillie, Murchison Nuevo Mercurio, Park Forest, Peekskill, Pultusk, Thuathe, Tuxtuac, Valera and NWA x slices and endcuts.  Offlist for negotiations and sales please.

EBAY AUCTIONS 
The Big Kahuna has an auction ending this Saturday, January 23, starting at 9:18 am Pacific / 12:18 pm Eastern / 5:18 pm London / 7:18 pm Helsinki / 1:18 am Singapore - offered:

Allende CV3.2   1.53, 5.02, 8.58g frags, ind & slices - Da Bestest!
Murchison CM2  0.12, 0.23g crusted frags in case from $14.99
SaU 290 CH3  2.55g Very Rare type, usually $100/g, now $99.99
Park Forest L5  0.15g, 1.31g Dual lithology slices from $6
Vigarano CV3  0.49g type specimen for CV clan, starting @ $124.99
Bassikounou H5  10.22g 99% FC Another awesome Bassi @ $19.99
Chergach H5  9.56g 99% FC Fresh!  Last one in stock for $19.99
Gao H5  19.05g Oriented quarter stone - gotta see this piece!
NWA 2975 She  0.26g crusted frag - own a piece of Mars $97.50
Camel Donga Euc  8.44g Awesome flowlines on glossy FC $99.99
Glorieta Mtn  4.62g Siderite These baby Glorietas are rare $44.99

... and much more, like some cool pendant vials (which make perfect Valentines gifts) filled with Murchison (0.06, 0.15, 0.3g) and Park Forest frags, NWA 1877 OD, NWA x Pal, Henbury, Tatahouine, and many quality unclassified (including a cool oriented poss CV3) and NWA 869 stones (including an oriented shield with frothy back!), a set of 12 new Micro Membraneboxes, a limited edition Apollo 11 - 40th Anniversary embroidered patch and sticker combo, and yet another Galileoscope.

http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html


******** MORE INFORMATION ON NWA 4734 LUNAR SLICE ********************
Right now there is a Lunar mare basalt NWA 4734 that I am offering that is almost half the price of the market value currently.  This was the meteorite that was promoted earlier last year as a "monzogabbro".  Well its not a monzogabbro, but maybe even better, as it is compositionally and visually very similar to the LaP lunar from Antarctica - an unbrecciated mare basalt.  Looks actually more like a Shergottite to me.  Very interesting texture, very interesting meteorite.  RIght now, I have a 4.10g freshly crusted (on one side) part slice of NWA 4734 on auction on ebay with a starting bid of $3499.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330395905287&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_499wt_1098

The auction ends tomorrow - Tuesday.  After that the future of the slice is uncertain. It may be broken down for easier sales.  I would hate to have to do that to such a beautiful meteorite.  So I would consider to sell to aficionados, this piece as the full piece of 4.10g.  

But wait, you may say.  This is far too much for me to possibly afford.  You would be correct if shopping at most popular major meteorite dealers shops, where the price for this material is $1200 - $1800/g, or $4920 - $7380 for the piece.  But for the next few days, I will offer to good customers and friends a crazy good deal for this 4.10g NWA 4734 slice.  Just make me a serious offer that I won't refuse.  If interested, give me a holler. Otherwise the delete key can work too ;^)
****************************************************************************************

Remember that you can count on the Big Kahuna to provide you with the highest quality authentic meteorites at the lowest prices on earth.  

Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
(808) 640-9161






From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 11:46:28 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:46:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Cunnamulla meteorite ownership divides town
Message-ID: <291935.70847.qm@web46409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Neat story, enjoy.

Greg C.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,20797,26603785-3102,00.html?from=public_rss

AN ongoing dispute over a bizarre-looking rock has landed in court.

Residents in Cunnamulla, about 825km west of Brisbane, have been bickering for months over the discovery of a 25kg object which could be the state's second-biggest stony meteorite.

Disability pensioner Tom King, 53, was caretaker at the property, Rywanda Plainview, 70km south of Cunnamulla, when he found the rock and claimed it in October, sparking a dispute with the property's owners.

Police took the rock from him less than 24 hours later and now the unresolved dispute over the rock's ownership will be taken to the Cunnamulla Magistrates Court.

Police yesterday refused to disclose where the stony object was being held for "security reasons".

But they confirmed the matter was not finalised and "no lawful owner has been determined at this stage".

Mr King was afraid he might never see the rock again, suggesting it could be replaced with a replica.

"There's talk that the rock's not at the (Cunnamulla) police station anymore anyway," he said.

If the rock turns out to be a meteorite, it could be worth a small fortune.

Mr King hopes it will be housed in Cunnamulla's museum in the town centre.

"I'd like to see me get the rock so it can go to the museum in Cunnamulla like I've always said," he said.

"Our little town is dying . . . if I can give something to the town that I was born and bred in, why not give it to them?"

A planned dispute resolution between the warring parties including the police, the property owners and Mr King was arranged for this week.

But last Friday Mr King received written confirmation from Cunnamulla's officer in charge, Sean Relf, that the meeting had been cancelled.

"The Queensland Police Service does not have the authority to determine ownership of this property and is only holding the property until ownership is determined through the court system," he wrote. Queensland Museum curator Dr Alex Cook has previously said he hoped the meteorite would be given to the Brisbane museum "to allow experts to analyse and study it".

An application to establish ownership of the rock will be heard in court on March 2.





      


From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Mon Jan 18 12:01:04 2010
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:01:04 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <276287.1093.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <276287.1093.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B5493D0.2060505@usgs.gov>

I think I've answered this before, but again:

Yes, it would be great if all meteorites that fell as a single shower 
(in a single field o'strewn) had a single name.

When a meteorite is found in Kansas or Germany or Mexico, it's fairly 
easy to look in databases and catalogs and find all the possible 
pairings within, say, 50 km.  If there are any of the correct class, 
then it's ofter a simple matter to compare the two meteorites and decide 
if they are paired.  NomCom rules actually require that this is done, 
and if the probability of pairing is high, a new name will not be 
granted to the new specimen.

When a new meteorite is found in, e.g., Oman or Libya or Antarctica, 
things get much harder.  With hundreds of potential pairings commonly 
existing, it is often very difficult or even impossible to evaluate 
pairings.  If the type is rare enough it might be easier, but even then 
the job can be burdensome on the classifier and the answer uncertain.  
Once two meteorites are given a single name, specimens become mixed up; 
it would be very hard to separate two meteorites that were wrongly given 
the same name.  In light of all this, the NomCom has decided that there 
is little benefit to even trying to pair meteorites... names are cheap 
and analysts' time is valuable. Therefore, each specimen can and should 
be given a separate name.

 From time to time, a situation comes up where a very strong case can be 
made for pairing two meteorites from a dense collection area.  Usually 
the motivation for doing so is money: the owners don't want to donate 20 
g or 20% type specimens of each of 10 valuable specimens that are so 
obviously paired.  In this case, if they can make an overwhelming case 
for pairing, including geographic information, then the NomCom can grant 
a single name to the multiple pieces. For NWA specimens, this is not 
supposed to happen.  The lack of geographic information means that one 
can not be certain of any potential pairing.  Therefore, the NomCom will 
not grant single names to multiple finds.

Of course, superimposed on all of this NomCom policy is what collectors 
and dealers do by themselves, unsanctioned by the Meteoritical Society.  
Probably everybody knows of cases where somebody obtained a new specimen 
and labeled it as an existing meteorite from NWA or another dense 
collection region.  In addition, when NWA and other meteorites are first 
classified, there often are multiple pieces lumped together.  According 
to NomCom rules, these groupings are only allowed when all the pieces 
were picked up within a few m of each other or fit together, but there 
is no guarantee that this is the case.

So that's the story.  I hope this explains some things.

Jeff

On 2010-01-18 11:09 AM, Greg Catterton wrote:
> I have often wondered and after some discussion with others I wanted to get the community feeling on the issue of pairings.
>
> If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out there and more is recovered and verified to be the same material from the same strewnfield, should the new material share the NWA number and the TKW be updated?
> I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and many other meteorites.
> Same material with different numbers and TKWs listed.
>
> Would it not be in the best interest to have all the paired samples share on number? This would surely cut the amount of NWA material by 1000 or more.
> Why is this not done?
>
> What is the process for pairing material to share the NWA number?
> Is it up to the dealer or the person who did testing?
>
> What affect would it have on value if something with a listed TKW of 200g suddenly was paired with the 3 other numbers assigned to the same material and the TKW was pushed to 1kg or more?
> Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this a concern for some?
>
> I am trying to better understand the politics/red tape that goes with this area.
>
> Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.
>
> Greg C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
954 National Center
Reston, VA 20192, USA




From nwa482 at comcast.net  Mon Jan 18 12:09:46 2010
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:09:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Lunar, fall stones, and ebay auctions
In-Reply-To: <690003986.12652411263834235984.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <557933829.12655281263834586121.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



Hi Gary.... 

Regarding one of your "self-paired" ebay auctions.? You claim to have a .26 gram complete individual of NWA 2975. 

This is IMPOSSIBLE as NWA 2975 is only one 70.1 gram complete stone. 

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=33425 

As the original co-owner of this stone, I would appreciate your changing this over sight. 

Thanks !!!!

Jim Strope 
421 Fourth Street 
Glen Dale, WV ?26038 

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ 


>>>> 

>>>> 

Aloha listoids, 

LUNAR 
The Big Kahuna has a special offer on this MLK day - a fresh 4.10g crusted slice of NWA 4734 lunar mare basalt on ebay ending tomorrow at a starting bid well below market. No bids yet means I will consider all reasonable offers from metlist subscribers, and pull off ebay for a direct sale (more below). 

FALL STONES 
I have some very nice fall stones (and finds) and NWA material on my temporary website: http://astroday.net/meteorites4sale.html. Among the offerings are Agoult, Allende, Bensour, Bjurbole, Camel Donga, Claxton, D'Orbigny, Kilabo, Millbillillie, Murchison Nuevo Mercurio, Park Forest, Peekskill, Pultusk, Thuathe, Tuxtuac, Valera and NWA x slices and endcuts. Offlist for negotiations and sales please. 

EBAY AUCTIONS 
The Big Kahuna has an auction ending this Saturday, January 23, starting at 9:18 am Pacific / 12:18 pm Eastern / 5:18 pm London / 7:18 pm Helsinki / 1:18 am Singapore - offered: 

Allende CV3.2 1.53, 5.02, 8.58g frags, ind & slices - Da Bestest! 
Murchison CM2 0.12, 0.23g crusted frags in case from $14.99 
SaU 290 CH3 2.55g Very Rare type, usually $100/g, now $99.99 
Park Forest L5 0.15g, 1.31g Dual lithology slices from $6 
Vigarano CV3 0.49g type specimen for CV clan, starting @ $124.99 
Bassikounou H5 10.22g 99% FC Another awesome Bassi @ $19.99 
Chergach H5 9.56g 99% FC Fresh! Last one in stock for $19.99 
Gao H5 19.05g Oriented quarter stone - gotta see this piece! 
NWA 2975 She 0.26g crusted frag - own a piece of Mars $97.50 
Camel Donga Euc 8.44g Awesome flowlines on glossy FC $99.99 
Glorieta Mtn 4.62g Siderite These baby Glorietas are rare $44.99 

... and much more, like some cool pendant vials (which make perfect Valentines gifts) filled with Murchison (0.06, 0.15, 0.3g) and Park Forest frags, NWA 1877 OD, NWA x Pal, Henbury, Tatahouine, and many quality unclassified (including a cool oriented poss CV3) and NWA 869 stones (including an oriented shield with frothy back!), a set of 12 new Micro Membraneboxes, a limited edition Apollo 11 - 40th Anniversary embroidered patch and sticker combo, and yet another Galileoscope. 

http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html 


******** MORE INFORMATION ON NWA 4734 LUNAR SLICE ******************** 
Right now there is a Lunar mare basalt NWA 4734 that I am offering that is almost half the price of the market value currently. This was the meteorite that was promoted earlier last year as a "monzogabbro". Well its not a monzogabbro, but maybe even better, as it is compositionally and visually very similar to the LaP lunar from Antarctica - an unbrecciated mare basalt. Looks actually more like a Shergottite to me. Very interesting texture, very interesting meteorite. RIght now, I have a 4.10g freshly crusted (on one side) part slice of NWA 4734 on auction on ebay with a starting bid of $3499. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330395905287&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_499wt_1098 

The auction ends tomorrow - Tuesday. After that the future of the slice is uncertain. It may be broken down for easier sales. I would hate to have to do that to such a beautiful meteorite. So I would consider to sell to aficionados, this piece as the full piece of 4.10g. 

But wait, you may say. This is far too much for me to possibly afford. You would be correct if shopping at most popular major meteorite dealers shops, where the price for this material is $1200 - $1800/g, or $4920 - $7380 for the piece. But for the next few days, I will offer to good customers and friends a crazy good deal for this 4.10g NWA 4734 slice. Just make me a serious offer that I won't refuse. If interested, give me a holler. Otherwise the delete key can work too ;^) 
**************************************************************************************** 

Remember that you can count on the Big Kahuna to provide you with the highest quality authentic meteorites at the lowest prices on earth. 

Gary Fujihara 
Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 
http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html 
(808) 640-9161 




From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Mon Jan 18 12:25:15 2010
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:25:15 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] A case not only for Bob
Message-ID: <002f01ca9863$3e7b4250$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Hello list,

just recovered by a member of the German meteorite forum:

http://kuerzer.de/diletto


Don't we get finally sick and tired with that Australian idiocy, do we?

Aren't there any persons, researchers, meteorite people with reason to be
found on that continent, who feel the same pain how meteoritics is getting
fully destroyed there?

In the German meteorite forum we painted a graph for the find rates in
Australia, USA ect.

In Australia from 1900 until ca 1960 the find rates were relatively constant
and higher than in the 19th century. Then a promising ascent followed until
the end of the 1980ies (while in USA the find rate dropped a little bit),
and then a real boost happened, wherefore not only Bevan's expedition in
1991, Euromet 1992 and 1994 were responsible.

1995 then - and it is really concussive - we observe the COMPLETE breakdown
of the Australian find rates, not only to the level of the 1960ies, not down
to the level of the 1900-1950, but down to the level of the 1800ier years!
And that lasts until today.

WHILE PARALLELY the find rates in the U.S. - which have less suitable
hunting grounds but which aren't punished by such paranoid meteorite laws
like Australia - exploded to a level like Australia had in his very best few
years, shortly before the Australian meteorite laws came finally into force.

I can't help myself - why nobody in Australia of the meteorite world is
taking action to abolish these laws, which led to that disaster?

It must be in the very best interest of every Australian meteoricist,
that Australia has to turn back from ZERO to find rates, like they are
common in each desert country.

Is there any initiative taken by you, the Australian scientists, to modify
the unhandy laws?

I mean, if there are almost no meteorites found there, less than 1 per year,
neither official expeditions are undertaken, wouldn't there be a danger,
that some meteorite departments could be simply closed down?

Martin










From tbear1 at cableone.net  Mon Jan 18 12:30:48 2010
From: tbear1 at cableone.net (Ted Bunch)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:30:48 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A case not only for Bob
In-Reply-To: <002f01ca9863$3e7b4250$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <C779E8D8.104EF%tbear1@cableone.net>

Bevan rules!


On 1/18/10 10:25 AM, "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> just recovered by a member of the German meteorite forum:
> 
> http://kuerzer.de/diletto
> 
> 
> Don't we get finally sick and tired with that Australian idiocy, do we?
> 
> Aren't there any persons, researchers, meteorite people with reason to be
> found on that continent, who feel the same pain how meteoritics is getting
> fully destroyed there?
> 
> In the German meteorite forum we painted a graph for the find rates in
> Australia, USA ect.
> 
> In Australia from 1900 until ca 1960 the find rates were relatively constant
> and higher than in the 19th century. Then a promising ascent followed until
> the end of the 1980ies (while in USA the find rate dropped a little bit),
> and then a real boost happened, wherefore not only Bevan's expedition in
> 1991, Euromet 1992 and 1994 were responsible.
> 
> 1995 then - and it is really concussive - we observe the COMPLETE breakdown
> of the Australian find rates, not only to the level of the 1960ies, not down
> to the level of the 1900-1950, but down to the level of the 1800ier years!
> And that lasts until today.
> 
> WHILE PARALLELY the find rates in the U.S. - which have less suitable
> hunting grounds but which aren't punished by such paranoid meteorite laws
> like Australia - exploded to a level like Australia had in his very best few
> years, shortly before the Australian meteorite laws came finally into force.
> 
> I can't help myself - why nobody in Australia of the meteorite world is
> taking action to abolish these laws, which led to that disaster?
> 
> It must be in the very best interest of every Australian meteoricist,
> that Australia has to turn back from ZERO to find rates, like they are
> common in each desert country.
> 
> Is there any initiative taken by you, the Australian scientists, to modify
> the unhandy laws?
> 
> I mean, if there are almost no meteorites found there, less than 1 per year,
> neither official expeditions are undertaken, wouldn't there be a danger,
> that some meteorite departments could be simply closed down?
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 12:42:13 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:42:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] "The Tucson Show" GPS file updated
Message-ID: <817374.33527.qm@web113612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

For those of you using a GPS navigation unit in your vehicle for getting around to the various shows in Tucson, be aware I have just updated the POI file I created. The new version can be found at:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/24678

This latest version contains the locations for all of the shows for 2010.

I have removed 8 now defunct show locations, added 1 new show location, made a few minor refinements to locations and added the location of the Arizona Meteorite Exhibition. In addition to these shows and the exhibition, the location of Michael Blood's Meteorite Auction is also contained in this file.

(Remember, this file is only for use with GPS navigation units and will not provide directions for those using paper maps.)

See you in Tucson!


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


      


From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Mon Jan 18 12:46:15 2010
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:46:15 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <276287.1093.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <276287.1093.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <201001181745.o0IHjln4002369@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi Greg,

This might be a typical question for Jeff Grossman.

I am also continuously puzzled by the abundance 
of paired meteorites (thus those that are officially recognized as such).

Let's suppose that once one (or a few) 
meteorite(s) are selected from an important lot 
(as found) and sold to someone, this someone 
(scientist, collector....) would envisage its classification.
And the same will possibly happen with the other meteorites from the same lot.
As a result, there will be as many different NWA 
numbers, as independent classifications (of the - probably- same meteorite).
As most of these classifications probably won't 
be concerted, there will not be pairings reported 
and we will end up with as many different 
meteorites, most probably of the same type, that 
will never be suspected being paired.

If a pairing is suspected, I believe this results 
from "concerted" analyses (of either meteorites 
stemming from the same lot and analyzed by 
different groups, or of the same meteorites 
provided by different finders (buyers....) 
brought for analysis to the same group).

This even complicates further if there are more 
than one such "lot" found (meteorite shower 
spread throughout a large strewnfield).

In case of such "concerted" analyzes, I guess 
that the labs will still give a different NWA 
number to each meteorite (or group of meteorites 
from the same lot) analyzed, because one is never 
sure that 2 meteorites supposed to come from the 
same lot are at 100% the same.
If pairing is reported, then most of the time 
(not always) it is mentioned in the Met. Bulls.
But because all analyzes were done independently, 
each analyzed meteorite (or group of meteorites 
from the same verified lot) will receive its own NWA number.

Here I realize that, at that stage, it is very 
difficult to decide to only retain as official 
the first NWA number attributed chronologically 
and to cancel all the next NWA numbers.

I for one am just happy when pairings are 
reported. This is often the case for "important" 
types such as the planetaries.
But for the "common" H6's or L5's, I believe this is very seldom done.

So far, regarding my collection catalogue, here 
is what I mention (for my NWA 4857 sample taken 
as an example), just to have an idea of the total 
mass of that meteorite evaluated so far.

NWA 4857 (Algeria, Shergottite enr maf),  0.928 g in collection;  tkw:1 at 24 g:

....Paired with NWA 2975 (70.1 g), NWA 2986 
(170  g), NWA 2987 (82 g), NWA 4766 (225 g), NWA 
4783 (120 g), NWA 4864 (94 g), NWA 4878 (130 g), 
NWA 4880 (81.6 g), NWA 4930 (117.5 g), NWA 5140 
(7.5 g), NWA 5214 (50.7 g), NWA 5219 (60 g), 
NWA5313 (5.3 g) and NWA 5366 (39.6 g).
Cumulated tkw: 1273.3 g (as per Jan. 2010)

I know that this neither sheds more light to the 
problem, nor answers your concerns.
Hopefully someone can add more to the issue.

My best,

Zelimir


At 17:09 18/01/2010, Greg Catterton wrote:
>I have often wondered and after some discussion 
>with others I wanted to get the community feeling on the issue of pairings.
>
>If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out 
>there and more is recovered and verified to be 
>the same material from the same strewnfield, 
>should the new material share the NWA number and the TKW be updated?
>I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and many other meteorites.
>Same material with different numbers and TKWs listed.
>
>Would it not be in the best interest to have all 
>the paired samples share on number? This would 
>surely cut the amount of NWA material by 1000 or more.
>Why is this not done?
>
>What is the process for pairing material to share the NWA number?
>Is it up to the dealer or the person who did testing?
>
>What affect would it have on value if something 
>with a listed TKW of 200g suddenly was paired 
>with the 3 other numbers assigned to the same 
>material and the TKW was pushed to 1kg or more?
>Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this a concern for some?
>
>I am trying to better understand the 
>politics/red tape that goes with this area.
>
>Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.
>
>Greg C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>______________________________________________
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>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 



From damoclid at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 12:50:58 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:50:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] "The Tucson Show" GPS file updated
In-Reply-To: <817374.33527.qm@web113612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <914563.89060.qm@web113615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I was asked privately if the file contains the locations of each meteorite dealer.

Unfortunately no, it does not.

What the file has is the location of each show. Usually I chose the front entrance to the building, the main parking lot used for the show, or in some cases where the parking surrounds the hotel, the swimming pool! Because of this you may see the unit bringing you to a location that seems "a little off". The Inn Suites is a perfect example as the point is the entrance to the main parking area, so you'll have a short walk across the lot to get to the hotel.

I figured this would get you to the various locations and from there it is an easy matter to find the appropriate room that the dealer you are looking for is occupying.


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Richard Kowalski <damoclid at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Richard Kowalski <damoclid at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] "The Tucson Show" GPS file updated
> To: "meteorite list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:42 AM
> For those of you using a GPS
> navigation unit in your vehicle for getting around to the
> various shows in Tucson, be aware I have just updated the
> POI file I created. The new version can be found at:
> 
> http://www.poi-factory.com/node/24678
> 
> This latest version contains the locations for all of the
> shows for 2010.
> 
> I have removed 8 now defunct show locations, added 1 new
> show location, made a few minor refinements to locations and
> added the location of the Arizona Meteorite Exhibition. In
> addition to these shows and the exhibition, the location of
> Michael Blood's Meteorite Auction is also contained in this
> file.
> 
> (Remember, this file is only for use with GPS navigation
> units and will not provide directions for those using paper
> maps.)
> 
> See you in Tucson!
> 
> 
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA #1081
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Mon Jan 18 12:53:21 2010
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:53:21 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <4B5493D0.2060505@usgs.gov>
References: <276287.1093.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4B5493D0.2060505@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <201001181752.o0IHqqha002442@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Thanks very much Jeff.,

Your answer arrived while my post was sent. By 
all means it better explains the complicated 
situation regarding pairings than my poor trials.

Zelimir


At 18:01 18/01/2010, Jeff Grossman wrote:
>I think I've answered this before, but again:
>
>Yes, it would be great if all meteorites that 
>fell as a single shower (in a single field o'strewn) had a single name.
>
>When a meteorite is found in Kansas or Germany 
>or Mexico, it's fairly easy to look in databases 
>and catalogs and find all the possible pairings 
>within, say, 50 km.  If there are any of the 
>correct class, then it's ofter a simple matter 
>to compare the two meteorites and decide if they 
>are paired.  NomCom rules actually require that 
>this is done, and if the probability of pairing 
>is high, a new name will not be granted to the new specimen.
>
>When a new meteorite is found in, e.g., Oman or 
>Libya or Antarctica, things get much 
>harder.  With hundreds of potential pairings 
>commonly existing, it is often very difficult or 
>even impossible to evaluate pairings.  If the 
>type is rare enough it might be easier, but even 
>then the job can be burdensome on the classifier and the answer uncertain.
>Once two meteorites are given a single name, 
>specimens become mixed up; it would be very hard 
>to separate two meteorites that were wrongly 
>given the same name.  In light of all this, the 
>NomCom has decided that there is little benefit 
>to even trying to pair meteorites... names are 
>cheap and analysts' time is valuable. Therefore, 
>each specimen can and should be given a separate name.
>
> From time to time, a situation comes up where a 
> very strong case can be made for pairing two 
> meteorites from a dense collection 
> area.  Usually the motivation for doing so is 
> money: the owners don't want to donate 20 g or 
> 20% type specimens of each of 10 valuable 
> specimens that are so obviously paired.  In 
> this case, if they can make an overwhelming 
> case for pairing, including geographic 
> information, then the NomCom can grant a single 
> name to the multiple pieces. For NWA specimens, 
> this is not supposed to happen.  The lack of 
> geographic information means that one can not 
> be certain of any potential 
> pairing.  Therefore, the NomCom will not grant single names to multiple finds.
>
>Of course, superimposed on all of this NomCom 
>policy is what collectors and dealers do by 
>themselves, unsanctioned by the Meteoritical Society.
>Probably everybody knows of cases where somebody 
>obtained a new specimen and labeled it as an 
>existing meteorite from NWA or another dense 
>collection region.  In addition, when NWA and 
>other meteorites are first classified, there 
>often are multiple pieces lumped 
>together.  According to NomCom rules, these 
>groupings are only allowed when all the pieces 
>were picked up within a few m of each other or 
>fit together, but there is no guarantee that this is the case.
>
>So that's the story.  I hope this explains some things.
>
>Jeff
>
>On 2010-01-18 11:09 AM, Greg Catterton wrote:
>>I have often wondered and after some discussion 
>>with others I wanted to get the community feeling on the issue of pairings.
>>
>>If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out 
>>there and more is recovered and verified to be 
>>the same material from the same strewnfield, 
>>should the new material share the NWA number and the TKW be updated?
>>I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and many other meteorites.
>>Same material with different numbers and TKWs listed.
>>
>>Would it not be in the best interest to have 
>>all the paired samples share on number? This 
>>would surely cut the amount of NWA material by 1000 or more.
>>Why is this not done?
>>
>>What is the process for pairing material to share the NWA number?
>>Is it up to the dealer or the person who did testing?
>>
>>What affect would it have on value if something 
>>with a listed TKW of 200g suddenly was paired 
>>with the 3 other numbers assigned to the same 
>>material and the TKW was pushed to 1kg or more?
>>Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this a concern for some?
>>
>>I am trying to better understand the 
>>politics/red tape that goes with this area.
>>
>>Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.
>>
>>Greg C.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>______________________________________________
>>Visit the Archives at 
>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>>Meteorite-list mailing list
>>Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
>US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
>954 National Center
>Reston, VA 20192, USA
>
>
>______________________________________________
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Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 



From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 13:01:40 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:01:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <201001181745.o0IHjln4002369@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>
Message-ID: <687904.79309.qm@web46405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

As always, Jeff offers great insight to this, I highly value his comments.
That is my main point, many stones such as the Martian you mention, being well known pairs could be served better to share a same number rather then many spread around - this would as I said present a problem to dealers and collectors who would then got from having the "main mass" or only stone to just having another one of the lot. Big monetary value is also at stake here. A Martian main mass sells for considerable amount more per gram then a sample from it.

When NWA 5480 was announced, it seems right away more of it came out of morocco for a good amount less per gram. Perhaps its common for them (in Morocco) to hold back on some to sell as what the others were tested as? This could lead to more pairings?

Its just my opinion that we as a community could do much more to make the current system more clear and accurate when it comes to pairing stones.
Surely there is an amount of scientific leeway for variations of readings from type sample to type sample, could this not be applied to pairing?

I am glad to see this getting some discussion as I am sure many will learn valuable information from this. I also think buyers would also like to feel they are better informed as to pairings or potential pairings when making a purchase as this does seem to be a complicated area.


Greg C.





--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Zelimir Gabelica <Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr> wrote:

> From: Zelimir Gabelica <Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
> To: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:46 PM
> Hi Greg,
> 
> This might be a typical question for Jeff Grossman.
> 
> I am also continuously puzzled by the abundance of paired
> meteorites (thus those that are officially recognized as
> such).
> 
> Let's suppose that once one (or a few) meteorite(s) are
> selected from an important lot (as found) and sold to
> someone, this someone (scientist, collector....) would
> envisage its classification.
> And the same will possibly happen with the other meteorites
> from the same lot.
> As a result, there will be as many different NWA numbers,
> as independent classifications (of the - probably- same
> meteorite).
> As most of these classifications probably won't be
> concerted, there will not be pairings reported and we will
> end up with as many different meteorites, most probably of
> the same type, that will never be suspected being paired.
> 
> If a pairing is suspected, I believe this results from
> "concerted" analyses (of either meteorites stemming from the
> same lot and analyzed by different groups, or of the same
> meteorites provided by different finders (buyers....)
> brought for analysis to the same group).
> 
> This even complicates further if there are more than one
> such "lot" found (meteorite shower spread throughout a large
> strewnfield).
> 
> In case of such "concerted" analyzes, I guess that the labs
> will still give a different NWA number to each meteorite (or
> group of meteorites from the same lot) analyzed, because one
> is never sure that 2 meteorites supposed to come from the
> same lot are at 100% the same.
> If pairing is reported, then most of the time (not always)
> it is mentioned in the Met. Bulls.
> But because all analyzes were done independently, each
> analyzed meteorite (or group of meteorites from the same
> verified lot) will receive its own NWA number.
> 
> Here I realize that, at that stage, it is very difficult to
> decide to only retain as official the first NWA number
> attributed chronologically and to cancel all the next NWA
> numbers.
> 
> I for one am just happy when pairings are reported. This is
> often the case for "important" types such as the
> planetaries.
> But for the "common" H6's or L5's, I believe this is very
> seldom done.
> 
> So far, regarding my collection catalogue, here is what I
> mention (for my NWA 4857 sample taken as an example), just
> to have an idea of the total mass of that meteorite
> evaluated so far.
> 
> NWA 4857 (Algeria, Shergottite enr maf),? 0.928 g in
> collection;? tkw:1 at 24 g:
> 
> ....Paired with NWA 2975 (70.1 g), NWA 2986 (170? g),
> NWA 2987 (82 g), NWA 4766 (225 g), NWA 4783 (120 g), NWA
> 4864 (94 g), NWA 4878 (130 g), NWA 4880 (81.6 g), NWA 4930
> (117.5 g), NWA 5140 (7.5 g), NWA 5214 (50.7 g), NWA 5219 (60
> g), NWA5313 (5.3 g) and NWA 5366 (39.6 g).
> Cumulated tkw: 1273.3 g (as per Jan. 2010)
> 
> I know that this neither sheds more light to the problem,
> nor answers your concerns.
> Hopefully someone can add more to the issue.
> 
> My best,
> 
> Zelimir
> 
> 
> At 17:09 18/01/2010, Greg Catterton wrote:
> > I have often wondered and after some discussion with
> others I wanted to get the community feeling on the issue of
> pairings.
> > 
> > If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out there
> and more is recovered and verified to be the same material
> from the same strewnfield, should the new material share the
> NWA number and the TKW be updated?
> > I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and many
> other meteorites.
> > Same material with different numbers and TKWs listed.
> > 
> > Would it not be in the best interest to have all the
> paired samples share on number? This would surely cut the
> amount of NWA material by 1000 or more.
> > Why is this not done?
> > 
> > What is the process for pairing material to share the
> NWA number?
> > Is it up to the dealer or the person who did testing?
> > 
> > What affect would it have on value if something with a
> listed TKW of 200g suddenly was paired with the 3 other
> numbers assigned to the same material and the TKW was pushed
> to 1kg or more?
> > Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this a
> concern for some?
> > 
> > I am trying to better understand the politics/red tape
> that goes with this area.
> > 
> > Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.
> > 
> > Greg C.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ______________________________________________
> > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> Universit? de Haute Alsace
> ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
> 3, Rue A. Werner,
> F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
> Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 
> 


      


From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Mon Jan 18 13:12:53 2010
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:12:53 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <201001181745.o0IHjln4002369@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>
References: <276287.1093.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<201001181745.o0IHjln4002369@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>
Message-ID: <4B54A4A5.7040200@usgs.gov>

Zelimir brings up one more case that I didn't cover... when two names 
are given to the same physical stone.  If the NomCom learns of this and 
can be sure that this is what happened, they can abolish one of the names.

jeff

On 2010-01-18 12:46 PM, Zelimir Gabelica wrote:
> Hi Greg,
>
> This might be a typical question for Jeff Grossman.
>
> I am also continuously puzzled by the abundance of paired meteorites 
> (thus those that are officially recognized as such).
>
> Let's suppose that once one (or a few) meteorite(s) are selected from 
> an important lot (as found) and sold to someone, this someone 
> (scientist, collector....) would envisage its classification.
> And the same will possibly happen with the other meteorites from the 
> same lot.
> As a result, there will be as many different NWA numbers, as 
> independent classifications (of the - probably- same meteorite).
> As most of these classifications probably won't be concerted, there 
> will not be pairings reported and we will end up with as many 
> different meteorites, most probably of the same type, that will never 
> be suspected being paired.
>
> If a pairing is suspected, I believe this results from "concerted" 
> analyses (of either meteorites stemming from the same lot and analyzed 
> by different groups, or of the same meteorites provided by different 
> finders (buyers....) brought for analysis to the same group).
>
> This even complicates further if there are more than one such "lot" 
> found (meteorite shower spread throughout a large strewnfield).
>
> In case of such "concerted" analyzes, I guess that the labs will still 
> give a different NWA number to each meteorite (or group of meteorites 
> from the same lot) analyzed, because one is never sure that 2 
> meteorites supposed to come from the same lot are at 100% the same.
> If pairing is reported, then most of the time (not always) it is 
> mentioned in the Met. Bulls.
> But because all analyzes were done independently, each analyzed 
> meteorite (or group of meteorites from the same verified lot) will 
> receive its own NWA number.
>
> Here I realize that, at that stage, it is very difficult to decide to 
> only retain as official the first NWA number attributed 
> chronologically and to cancel all the next NWA numbers.
>
> I for one am just happy when pairings are reported. This is often the 
> case for "important" types such as the planetaries.
> But for the "common" H6's or L5's, I believe this is very seldom done.
>
> So far, regarding my collection catalogue, here is what I mention (for 
> my NWA 4857 sample taken as an example), just to have an idea of the 
> total mass of that meteorite evaluated so far.
>
> NWA 4857 (Algeria, Shergottite enr maf),  0.928 g in collection;  
> tkw:1 at 24 g:
>
> ....Paired with NWA 2975 (70.1 g), NWA 2986 (170  g), NWA 2987 (82 g), 
> NWA 4766 (225 g), NWA 4783 (120 g), NWA 4864 (94 g), NWA 4878 (130 g), 
> NWA 4880 (81.6 g), NWA 4930 (117.5 g), NWA 5140 (7.5 g), NWA 5214 
> (50.7 g), NWA 5219 (60 g), NWA5313 (5.3 g) and NWA 5366 (39.6 g).
> Cumulated tkw: 1273.3 g (as per Jan. 2010)
>
> I know that this neither sheds more light to the problem, nor answers 
> your concerns.
> Hopefully someone can add more to the issue.
>
> My best,
>
> Zelimir
>
>
> At 17:09 18/01/2010, Greg Catterton wrote:
>> I have often wondered and after some discussion with others I wanted 
>> to get the community feeling on the issue of pairings.
>>
>> If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out there and more is 
>> recovered and verified to be the same material from the same 
>> strewnfield, should the new material share the NWA number and the TKW 
>> be updated?
>> I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and many other meteorites.
>> Same material with different numbers and TKWs listed.
>>
>> Would it not be in the best interest to have all the paired samples 
>> share on number? This would surely cut the amount of NWA material by 
>> 1000 or more.
>> Why is this not done?
>>
>> What is the process for pairing material to share the NWA number?
>> Is it up to the dealer or the person who did testing?
>>
>> What affect would it have on value if something with a listed TKW of 
>> 200g suddenly was paired with the 3 other numbers assigned to the 
>> same material and the TKW was pushed to 1kg or more?
>> Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this a concern for some?
>>
>> I am trying to better understand the politics/red tape that goes with 
>> this area.
>>
>> Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.
>>
>> Greg C.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at 
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> Universit? de Haute Alsace
> ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
> 3, Rue A. Werner,
> F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
> Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at 
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954 National Center
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 18 13:20:59 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:20:59 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <201001181745.o0IHjln4002369@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>
References: <276287.1093.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>,
	<201001181745.o0IHjln4002369@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W10A7BAF8CDD8B8333D9B26D2660@phx.gbl>


Zelimir:

So it's possible all the classifications (shown below) are from the same fall?? And perhaps from the same large mass?

Thanks,


> NWA 4857 (Algeria, Shergottite enr maf), 0.928 g in collection; tkw:1 at 24 g:
>
> ....Paired with NWA 2975 (70.1 g), NWA 2986
> (170 g), NWA 2987 (82 g), NWA 4766 (225 g), NWA
> 4783 (120 g), NWA 4864 (94 g), NWA 4878 (130 g),
> NWA 4880 (81.6 g), NWA 4930 (117.5 g), NWA 5140
> (7.5 g), NWA 5214 (50.7 g), NWA 5219 (60 g),
> NWA5313 (5.3 g) and NWA 5366 (39.6 g).
> Cumulated tkw: 1273.3 g (as per Jan. 2010)


----------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:46:15 +0100
> To: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> This might be a typical question for Jeff Grossman.
>
> I am also continuously puzzled by the abundance
> of paired meteorites (thus those that are officially recognized as such).
>
> Let's suppose that once one (or a few)
> meteorite(s) are selected from an important lot
> (as found) and sold to someone, this someone
> (scientist, collector....) would envisage its classification.
> And the same will possibly happen with the other meteorites from the same lot.
> As a result, there will be as many different NWA
> numbers, as independent classifications (of the - probably- same meteorite).
> As most of these classifications probably won't
> be concerted, there will not be pairings reported
> and we will end up with as many different
> meteorites, most probably of the same type, that
> will never be suspected being paired.
>
> If a pairing is suspected, I believe this results
> from "concerted" analyses (of either meteorites
> stemming from the same lot and analyzed by
> different groups, or of the same meteorites
> provided by different finders (buyers....)
> brought for analysis to the same group).
>
> This even complicates further if there are more
> than one such "lot" found (meteorite shower
> spread throughout a large strewnfield).
>
> In case of such "concerted" analyzes, I guess
> that the labs will still give a different NWA
> number to each meteorite (or group of meteorites
> from the same lot) analyzed, because one is never
> sure that 2 meteorites supposed to come from the
> same lot are at 100% the same.
> If pairing is reported, then most of the time
> (not always) it is mentioned in the Met. Bulls.
> But because all analyzes were done independently,
> each analyzed meteorite (or group of meteorites
> from the same verified lot) will receive its own NWA number.
>
> Here I realize that, at that stage, it is very
> difficult to decide to only retain as official
> the first NWA number attributed chronologically
> and to cancel all the next NWA numbers.
>
> I for one am just happy when pairings are
> reported. This is often the case for "important"
> types such as the planetaries.
> But for the "common" H6's or L5's, I believe this is very seldom done.
>
> So far, regarding my collection catalogue, here
> is what I mention (for my NWA 4857 sample taken
> as an example), just to have an idea of the total
> mass of that meteorite evaluated so far.
>
> NWA 4857 (Algeria, Shergottite enr maf), 0.928 g in collection; tkw:1 at 24 g:
>
> ....Paired with NWA 2975 (70.1 g), NWA 2986
> (170 g), NWA 2987 (82 g), NWA 4766 (225 g), NWA
> 4783 (120 g), NWA 4864 (94 g), NWA 4878 (130 g),
> NWA 4880 (81.6 g), NWA 4930 (117.5 g), NWA 5140
> (7.5 g), NWA 5214 (50.7 g), NWA 5219 (60 g),
> NWA5313 (5.3 g) and NWA 5366 (39.6 g).
> Cumulated tkw: 1273.3 g (as per Jan. 2010)
>
> I know that this neither sheds more light to the
> problem, nor answers your concerns.
> Hopefully someone can add more to the issue.
>
> My best,
>
> Zelimir
>
>
> At 17:09 18/01/2010, Greg Catterton wrote:
>>I have often wondered and after some discussion
>>with others I wanted to get the community feeling on the issue of pairings.
>>
>>If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out
>>there and more is recovered and verified to be
>>the same material from the same strewnfield,
>>should the new material share the NWA number and the TKW be updated?
>>I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and many other meteorites.
>>Same material with different numbers and TKWs listed.
>>
>>Would it not be in the best interest to have all
>>the paired samples share on number? This would
>>surely cut the amount of NWA material by 1000 or more.
>>Why is this not done?
>>
>>What is the process for pairing material to share the NWA number?
>>Is it up to the dealer or the person who did testing?
>>
>>What affect would it have on value if something
>>with a listed TKW of 200g suddenly was paired
>>with the 3 other numbers assigned to the same
>>material and the TKW was pushed to 1kg or more?
>>Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this a concern for some?
>>
>>I am trying to better understand the
>>politics/red tape that goes with this area.
>>
>>Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.
>>
>>Greg C.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>______________________________________________
>>Visit the Archives at
>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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>
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> 3, Rue A. Werner,
> F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
> Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
>
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Mon Jan 18 13:40:34 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:40:34 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
References: <687904.79309.qm@web46405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <55FCB8813D624645A587E9DA0CF5FA2A@Gregor>

Hello Greg C. and All,

The self pairing issue comes up at least once a year. I agree that a single 
number would be best for all, but there are too many problems with that 
model. In the original question Greg C. asked with NWA 1877 as an example, 
as one of the original co-owners of the NWA 1877 material, I believe in 
keeping the TKW's and authenticity of the material as accurate as possible. 
The NomCom has laid out specific rules which should be followed as Jeff 
Grossman very clearly pointed out. About a year after NWA 1877 was given the 
official number, on one of my near-monthly trips to Morocco at the time I 
bought more of the material that surfaced. Instead of selling it as "NWA 
1877", I followed the rules and supplied a 20-gram type sample to scientists 
and paid the lab and scientists their fees to have it officially classified. 
I received a new number, "NWA 5603". In my eBay description, I mention the 
pairing to NWA 1877.

An example to illustrate it is not a good idea to take the word of someone 
selling "self-paired" material, lets take the case of the Martian NWA 2975. 
As Jim Strope pointed out, "NWA 2975" was a single stone, yet other small 
complete individuals are being sold as NWA 2975. Another case where many of 
us did the right thing and supplied the full type sample and received a 
pairing NWA number. There was a great case why we should not cheap out with 
hiring a competent lab and providing the required full type sample. In this 
particular case, a well established meteorite dealer was trying to sell a 
somewhat large Martian stone as, "...being paired to NWA 2975..." As it 
turned out, that single stone WAS NOT paired to NWA 2975 and it was through 
the efforts of competent scientists and others who helped to correct that 
wrong to the delight of the dealer offering that supposed "pairing". It now 
has an Official meteorite Name/number and now it is accurate and different 
from 2975. Bottom line, it does not pay to cheap out with getting stones 
authenticated and paired if the material actually is.

As to the case of NWA 5480, I first got that material and had the scientists 
do their work to reveal the amazing components of this new meteorite. The 
people who I purchased the material from in Morocco sent me a few more 
stones they were sure were paired to it. After receiving these few stones, 
it turned out one of the stones WAS NOT the same as NWA 5480. This goes to 
show that self pairing not only hurts the true nature of the material, it 
makes it to where collectors become unconfident in buying from people who 
make self pairing claims. The stones that were paired were added to the TKW 
of NWA 5480. Sometimes it is simply an accident that the 'other' material is 
thought to be the same, other times it is not this way. Either way, it is 
the responsibility of resellers to do the right thing.

So, lets keep it real and do the responsible thing for the sake of accuracy 
for both the science and to keep collectors confident in what they are 
purchasing. As new meteorite collectors/dealers enter the arena year after 
year, it is up to them to do the right thing. You can not simply take the 
word of someone who claims, "This material is for sure the same as 'NWA 
1877, 2975, 5480' "... and the list goes on.

As Adam coined several years ago, "When in doubt, check it out!"

I wish everyone a prosperous and accurate year for collecting, finding and 
selling meteorites!

Best regards,
Greg

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--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Zelimir Gabelica <Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr> wrote:

> At 17:09 18/01/2010, Greg Catterton wrote:
> > I have often wondered and after some discussion with
> others I wanted to get the community feeling on the issue of
> pairings.
> >
> > If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out there
> and more is recovered and verified to be the same material
> from the same strewnfield, should the new material share the
> NWA number and the TKW be updated?
> > I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and many
> other meteorites.
> > Same material with different numbers and TKWs listed.
> >
> > Would it not be in the best interest to have all the
> paired samples share on number? This would surely cut the
> amount of NWA material by 1000 or more.
> > Why is this not done?
> >
> > What is the process for pairing material to share the
> NWA number?
> > Is it up to the dealer or the person who did testing?
> >
> > What affect would it have on value if something with a
> listed TKW of 200g suddenly was paired with the 3 other
> numbers assigned to the same material and the TKW was pushed
> to 1kg or more?
> > Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this a
> concern for some?
> >
> > I am trying to better understand the politics/red tape
> that goes with this area.
> >
> > Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.
> >
> > Greg C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> > Visit the Archives at 
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> Universit? de Haute Alsace
> ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
> 3, Rue A. Werner,
> F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
> Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
>



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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 13:44:59 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:44:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W10A7BAF8CDD8B8333D9B26D2660@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <550033.39458.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

As a seller, what is expected of me or anyone else offering material like this? 

Should I make it very clear that while I am selling a 1.25g stone paired with NWA 4857 that there is a considerable amount more then the TKW listed?
Would saying its paired with another of those stones be misleading even though they are all paired together?

By not offering more precise info about possible TKW and pairing if I am aware of it, but dont, is that considered bad to not disclose full information available?

I have seen some selling that list a rather nice amount of information while others seem to want to give the appearance that the low TKW is all of that material there is, when in fact there could be as much as 1000x more, just with another number.

Lots of questions, I know... Just trying to get a better understanding of this and expectations from pairing.

Greg


--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
> To: zelimir.gabelica at uha.fr, star_wars_collector at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 1:20 PM
> 
> Zelimir:
> 
> So it's possible all the classifications (shown below) are
> from the same fall?? And perhaps from the same large mass?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> > NWA 4857 (Algeria, Shergottite enr maf), 0.928 g in
> collection; tkw:1 at 24 g:
> >
> > ....Paired with NWA 2975 (70.1 g), NWA 2986
> > (170 g), NWA 2987 (82 g), NWA 4766 (225 g), NWA
> > 4783 (120 g), NWA 4864 (94 g), NWA 4878 (130 g),
> > NWA 4880 (81.6 g), NWA 4930 (117.5 g), NWA 5140
> > (7.5 g), NWA 5214 (50.7 g), NWA 5219 (60 g),
> > NWA5313 (5.3 g) and NWA 5366 (39.6 g).
> > Cumulated tkw: 1273.3 g (as per Jan. 2010)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:46:15 +0100
> > To: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com;
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing
> discussion/questions
> >
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > This might be a typical question for Jeff Grossman.
> >
> > I am also continuously puzzled by the abundance
> > of paired meteorites (thus those that are officially
> recognized as such).
> >
> > Let's suppose that once one (or a few)
> > meteorite(s) are selected from an important lot
> > (as found) and sold to someone, this someone
> > (scientist, collector....) would envisage its
> classification.
> > And the same will possibly happen with the other
> meteorites from the same lot.
> > As a result, there will be as many different NWA
> > numbers, as independent classifications (of the -
> probably- same meteorite).
> > As most of these classifications probably won't
> > be concerted, there will not be pairings reported
> > and we will end up with as many different
> > meteorites, most probably of the same type, that
> > will never be suspected being paired.
> >
> > If a pairing is suspected, I believe this results
> > from "concerted" analyses (of either meteorites
> > stemming from the same lot and analyzed by
> > different groups, or of the same meteorites
> > provided by different finders (buyers....)
> > brought for analysis to the same group).
> >
> > This even complicates further if there are more
> > than one such "lot" found (meteorite shower
> > spread throughout a large strewnfield).
> >
> > In case of such "concerted" analyzes, I guess
> > that the labs will still give a different NWA
> > number to each meteorite (or group of meteorites
> > from the same lot) analyzed, because one is never
> > sure that 2 meteorites supposed to come from the
> > same lot are at 100% the same.
> > If pairing is reported, then most of the time
> > (not always) it is mentioned in the Met. Bulls.
> > But because all analyzes were done independently,
> > each analyzed meteorite (or group of meteorites
> > from the same verified lot) will receive its own NWA
> number.
> >
> > Here I realize that, at that stage, it is very
> > difficult to decide to only retain as official
> > the first NWA number attributed chronologically
> > and to cancel all the next NWA numbers.
> >
> > I for one am just happy when pairings are
> > reported. This is often the case for "important"
> > types such as the planetaries.
> > But for the "common" H6's or L5's, I believe this is
> very seldom done.
> >
> > So far, regarding my collection catalogue, here
> > is what I mention (for my NWA 4857 sample taken
> > as an example), just to have an idea of the total
> > mass of that meteorite evaluated so far.
> >
> > NWA 4857 (Algeria, Shergottite enr maf), 0.928 g in
> collection; tkw:1 at 24 g:
> >
> > ....Paired with NWA 2975 (70.1 g), NWA 2986
> > (170 g), NWA 2987 (82 g), NWA 4766 (225 g), NWA
> > 4783 (120 g), NWA 4864 (94 g), NWA 4878 (130 g),
> > NWA 4880 (81.6 g), NWA 4930 (117.5 g), NWA 5140
> > (7.5 g), NWA 5214 (50.7 g), NWA 5219 (60 g),
> > NWA5313 (5.3 g) and NWA 5366 (39.6 g).
> > Cumulated tkw: 1273.3 g (as per Jan. 2010)
> >
> > I know that this neither sheds more light to the
> > problem, nor answers your concerns.
> > Hopefully someone can add more to the issue.
> >
> > My best,
> >
> > Zelimir
> >
> >
> > At 17:09 18/01/2010, Greg Catterton wrote:
> >>I have often wondered and after some discussion
> >>with others I wanted to get the community feeling
> on the issue of pairings.
> >>
> >>If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out
> >>there and more is recovered and verified to be
> >>the same material from the same strewnfield,
> >>should the new material share the NWA number and
> the TKW be updated?
> >>I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and many
> other meteorites.
> >>Same material with different numbers and TKWs
> listed.
> >>
> >>Would it not be in the best interest to have all
> >>the paired samples share on number? This would
> >>surely cut the amount of NWA material by 1000 or
> more.
> >>Why is this not done?
> >>
> >>What is the process for pairing material to share
> the NWA number?
> >>Is it up to the dealer or the person who did
> testing?
> >>
> >>What affect would it have on value if something
> >>with a listed TKW of 200g suddenly was paired
> >>with the 3 other numbers assigned to the same
> >>material and the TKW was pushed to 1kg or more?
> >>Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this a
> concern for some?
> >>
> >>I am trying to better understand the
> >>politics/red tape that goes with this area.
> >>
> >>Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.
> >>
> >>Greg C.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> > Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> > Universit? de Haute Alsace
> > ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
> > 3, Rue A. Werner,
> > F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> > Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
> > Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
> >
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Mon Jan 18 14:04:22 2010
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:04:22 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] A case not only for Bob
In-Reply-To: <C779E8D8.104EF%tbear1@cableone.net>
References: <002f01ca9863$3e7b4250$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
	<C779E8D8.104EF%tbear1@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <004501ca9871$0ca09f60$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

May he live long and prosper in happiness and at best health,

but when he started and when I started with meteorites,
Australia ranked among the Top-Three meteorite nations.

Now it is of no relevance anymore with less than 1 (ONE!!!) new find per
year on average.
And it's not Denmark, Poland or Switzerland - it is a whole continent full
of deserts.

If they wouldn't have cried - soon 30 years long - for the tiny Calcalong
Creek, they would have meanwhile kilos of Australian Lunars and Martians in
their institutes - and much more than Calcalong weighted for free as type
samples.

If they would have liberalised the meteorite laws around 1995, when it
became clearly visible, that they led to a disaster,
there would be now, in worst case, in total twice as much Australian
meteorites as we do have today in total.

In Germany we call that a "Stalingrad"-mentality.

Well, it's not our stein of beer...

....but I personally suppose that Australia must be a very wealthy nation.
If I remember that here in Germany one of the largest meteorite collection
of the world, the institute where a Ramdohr and a Paneth were working, was
dissolved for costs reason,
then I'd say any meteorite department here would be strongly endangered to
be shut down, if they had to handle only one meteorite per year...

He should also read the UNIDROIT convention, the convention following the
UNESCO moveable heritage convention of 1970 - what that means for the old
meteorites in the Aussie institutes of other countries of origin than
Australia. That sounds not so good there, hence no good, the idea, to have
set meteorites on the Australian UNESCO-lists...

Nja well..  oficial mills are milling slowly - perhaps we simply have to
wait for the next and new generation of meteorite researchers in Australia.

Would be nice, if they would buy a meteorite from us.
European Union is just bestowing Australia with a brand-new meteorite camera
network, using my hard-earned tax-money. Want some back.
While here the European camera network has severe difficulties to buy their
films for a few hundred bucks, EU uses funds for the Australian network,
sufficient to maintain the European network for the next 300 years.

Weird World.

Martin,
(Expressing his opinion and not speaking in his function for IMCA)


PS: I suggest a simple Lex Australiae:
Finder = Keeper - 30% of the find mandatory for free for Australia (or the
province).

And that as a model for Oman too, where we will face soon the same problems.
And for Libya.
And for Algeria...  if it's not too late already.

That it works even with 20grams only, we saw it in NWA before and in USA and
in Oman:
Exploding find rates.

Simple problems do have often very simple solutions too.



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Ted
Bunch
Gesendet: Montag, 18. Januar 2010 18:31
An: Martin Altmann; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] A case not only for Bob

Bevan rules!


On 1/18/10 10:25 AM, "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> just recovered by a member of the German meteorite forum:
> 
> http://kuerzer.de/diletto
> 
> 
> Don't we get finally sick and tired with that Australian idiocy, do we?
> 
> Aren't there any persons, researchers, meteorite people with reason to be
> found on that continent, who feel the same pain how meteoritics is getting
> fully destroyed there?
> 
> In the German meteorite forum we painted a graph for the find rates in
> Australia, USA ect.
> 
> In Australia from 1900 until ca 1960 the find rates were relatively
constant
> and higher than in the 19th century. Then a promising ascent followed
until
> the end of the 1980ies (while in USA the find rate dropped a little bit),
> and then a real boost happened, wherefore not only Bevan's expedition in
> 1991, Euromet 1992 and 1994 were responsible.
> 
> 1995 then - and it is really concussive - we observe the COMPLETE
breakdown
> of the Australian find rates, not only to the level of the 1960ies, not
down
> to the level of the 1900-1950, but down to the level of the 1800ier years!
> And that lasts until today.
> 
> WHILE PARALLELY the find rates in the U.S. - which have less suitable
> hunting grounds but which aren't punished by such paranoid meteorite laws
> like Australia - exploded to a level like Australia had in his very best
few
> years, shortly before the Australian meteorite laws came finally into
force.
> 
> I can't help myself - why nobody in Australia of the meteorite world is
> taking action to abolish these laws, which led to that disaster?
> 
> It must be in the very best interest of every Australian meteoricist,
> that Australia has to turn back from ZERO to find rates, like they are
> common in each desert country.
> 
> Is there any initiative taken by you, the Australian scientists, to modify
> the unhandy laws?
> 
> I mean, if there are almost no meteorites found there, less than 1 per
year,
> neither official expeditions are undertaken, wouldn't there be a danger,
> that some meteorite departments could be simply closed down?
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 14:20:20 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:20:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <55FCB8813D624645A587E9DA0CF5FA2A@Gregor>
Message-ID: <91527.85486.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Greg, great post with really good information.

This is a great topic that I am sure many who read will benefit from.
Pairing is an important issue in my opinion and the comments offered here can surely help anyone when dealing with unclassified and paired NWA material. 

Jeff is one of the top guys, if not the top guy concerning classification and offered great information.
Greg has been at this for some time and is still around, so hes doing something right.
Free education from people who know is a great thing.

I have learned a great deal about this already from the discussion and hope others come out with just as much.
Save these posts to word doc or something for future use, its good stuff.


Greg C.

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:

> From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
> To: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 1:40 PM
> Hello Greg C. and All,
> 
> The self pairing issue comes up at least once a year. I
> agree that a single number would be best for all, but there
> are too many problems with that model. In the original
> question Greg C. asked with NWA 1877 as an example, as one
> of the original co-owners of the NWA 1877 material, I
> believe in keeping the TKW's and authenticity of the
> material as accurate as possible. The NomCom has laid out
> specific rules which should be followed as Jeff Grossman
> very clearly pointed out. About a year after NWA 1877 was
> given the official number, on one of my near-monthly trips
> to Morocco at the time I bought more of the material that
> surfaced. Instead of selling it as "NWA 1877", I followed
> the rules and supplied a 20-gram type sample to scientists
> and paid the lab and scientists their fees to have it
> officially classified. I received a new number, "NWA 5603".
> In my eBay description, I mention the pairing to NWA 1877.
> 
> An example to illustrate it is not a good idea to take the
> word of someone selling "self-paired" material, lets take
> the case of the Martian NWA 2975. As Jim Strope pointed out,
> "NWA 2975" was a single stone, yet other small complete
> individuals are being sold as NWA 2975. Another case where
> many of us did the right thing and supplied the full type
> sample and received a pairing NWA number. There was a great
> case why we should not cheap out with hiring a competent lab
> and providing the required full type sample. In this
> particular case, a well established meteorite dealer was
> trying to sell a somewhat large Martian stone as, "...being
> paired to NWA 2975..." As it turned out, that single stone
> WAS NOT paired to NWA 2975 and it was through the efforts of
> competent scientists and others who helped to correct that
> wrong to the delight of the dealer offering that supposed
> "pairing". It now has an Official meteorite Name/number and
> now it is accurate and different from 2975. Bottom line, it
> does not pay to cheap out with getting stones authenticated
> and paired if the material actually is.
> 
> As to the case of NWA 5480, I first got that material and
> had the scientists do their work to reveal the amazing
> components of this new meteorite. The people who I purchased
> the material from in Morocco sent me a few more stones they
> were sure were paired to it. After receiving these few
> stones, it turned out one of the stones WAS NOT the same as
> NWA 5480. This goes to show that self pairing not only hurts
> the true nature of the material, it makes it to where
> collectors become unconfident in buying from people who make
> self pairing claims. The stones that were paired were added
> to the TKW of NWA 5480. Sometimes it is simply an accident
> that the 'other' material is thought to be the same, other
> times it is not this way. Either way, it is the
> responsibility of resellers to do the right thing.
> 
> So, lets keep it real and do the responsible thing for the
> sake of accuracy for both the science and to keep collectors
> confident in what they are purchasing. As new meteorite
> collectors/dealers enter the arena year after year, it is up
> to them to do the right thing. You can not simply take the
> word of someone who claims, "This material is for sure the
> same as 'NWA 1877, 2975, 5480' "... and the list goes on.
> 
> As Adam coined several years ago, "When in doubt, check it
> out!"
> 
> I wish everyone a prosperous and accurate year for
> collecting, finding and selling meteorites!
> 
> Best regards,
> Greg
> 
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA 3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Zelimir Gabelica <Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr>
> wrote:
> 
> > At 17:09 18/01/2010, Greg Catterton wrote:
> > > I have often wondered and after some discussion
> with
> > others I wanted to get the community feeling on the
> issue of
> > pairings.
> > >
> > > If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out
> there
> > and more is recovered and verified to be the same
> material
> > from the same strewnfield, should the new material
> share the
> > NWA number and the TKW be updated?
> > > I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and
> many
> > other meteorites.
> > > Same material with different numbers and TKWs
> listed.
> > >
> > > Would it not be in the best interest to have all
> the
> > paired samples share on number? This would surely cut
> the
> > amount of NWA material by 1000 or more.
> > > Why is this not done?
> > >
> > > What is the process for pairing material to share
> the
> > NWA number?
> > > Is it up to the dealer or the person who did
> testing?
> > >
> > > What affect would it have on value if something
> with a
> > listed TKW of 200g suddenly was paired with the 3
> other
> > numbers assigned to the same material and the TKW was
> pushed
> > to 1kg or more?
> > > Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this
> a
> > concern for some?
> > >
> > > I am trying to better understand the politics/red
> tape
> > that goes with this area.
> > >
> > > Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.
> > >
> > > Greg C.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ______________________________________________
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> > > Meteorite-list mailing list
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> > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> > 
> > Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> > Universit? de Haute Alsace
> > ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
> > 3, Rue A. Werner,
> > F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> > Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
> > Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From r.cucchiara at comcast.net  Mon Jan 18 14:43:44 2010
From: r.cucchiara at comcast.net (robert cucchiara)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:43:44 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD- Museum Quality Specimens  and Others
Message-ID: <20D5A0821B024E2A83448B9ECE6E5634@OfficePC>

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I still have some nice specimens of the Santa Rosa iron left. Sales have
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From photophlow at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 14:46:06 2010
From: photophlow at yahoo.com (Shawn Alan)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:46:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
Message-ID: <972586.60169.qm@web113603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Greg and the list,
?
As a seller I would say its your obligation to disclose all information about that meteorite as possible. However, I recently encountered that with some meteorites being sold on eBay and the excuse of the individual was... I have been busy and its hard to keep up with new finds... The funny thing is is?the new?meteorite?was also in their collection. So the real question is what do you do and what I did is I did my research on the meteorite and found that the rare meteorite was not?that rare and there were more?meteorites in that group. So please people be truth and honest.
?
Shawn Alan?


From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Mon Jan 18 15:03:21 2010
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:03:21 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W10A7BAF8CDD8B8333D9B26D2660@phx.gbl>
References: <276287.1093.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<201001181745.o0IHjln4002369@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>
	<SNT117-W10A7BAF8CDD8B8333D9B26D2660@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <201001182002.o0IK2r7j003408@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>

My data are taken from the major Dr Irving's 
updates of the Martian Meteorites Page and List, 
kindly provided in a recent post by Norbert Classen (IMCA):

http://www.imca.cc/mars/martian-meteorites.htm

See more specifically here:

http://www.imca.cc/mars/martian-meteorites-list.htm

I have no reason to doubt about these data so my answer would be "yes".

PS: I very much like the new classification 
scheme of shergottites suggested by Irving.
Question: would this get a chance to become official ? (unless it still is ?)

Zelimir


At 19:20 18/01/2010, Greg Stanley wrote:

>Zelimir:
>
>So it's possible all the classifications (shown 
>below) are from the same fall?  And perhaps from the same large mass?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
> > NWA 4857 (Algeria, Shergottite enr maf), 0.928 g in collection; tkw:1 at 24 g:
> >
> > ....Paired with NWA 2975 (70.1 g), NWA 2986
> > (170 g), NWA 2987 (82 g), NWA 4766 (225 g), NWA
> > 4783 (120 g), NWA 4864 (94 g), NWA 4878 (130 g),
> > NWA 4880 (81.6 g), NWA 4930 (117.5 g), NWA 5140
> > (7.5 g), NWA 5214 (50.7 g), NWA 5219 (60 g),
> > NWA5313 (5.3 g) and NWA 5366 (39.6 g).
> > Cumulated tkw: 1273.3 g (as per Jan. 2010)
>
>
>----------------------------------------
> > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:46:15 +0100
> > To: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
> >
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > This might be a typical question for Jeff Grossman.
> >
> > I am also continuously puzzled by the abundance
> > of paired meteorites (thus those that are officially recognized as such).
> >
> > Let's suppose that once one (or a few)
> > meteorite(s) are selected from an important lot
> > (as found) and sold to someone, this someone
> > (scientist, collector....) would envisage its classification.
> > And the same will possibly happen with the 
> other meteorites from the same lot.
> > As a result, there will be as many different NWA
> > numbers, as independent classifications (of 
> the - probably- same meteorite).
> > As most of these classifications probably won't
> > be concerted, there will not be pairings reported
> > and we will end up with as many different
> > meteorites, most probably of the same type, that
> > will never be suspected being paired.
> >
> > If a pairing is suspected, I believe this results
> > from "concerted" analyses (of either meteorites
> > stemming from the same lot and analyzed by
> > different groups, or of the same meteorites
> > provided by different finders (buyers....)
> > brought for analysis to the same group).
> >
> > This even complicates further if there are more
> > than one such "lot" found (meteorite shower
> > spread throughout a large strewnfield).
> >
> > In case of such "concerted" analyzes, I guess
> > that the labs will still give a different NWA
> > number to each meteorite (or group of meteorites
> > from the same lot) analyzed, because one is never
> > sure that 2 meteorites supposed to come from the
> > same lot are at 100% the same.
> > If pairing is reported, then most of the time
> > (not always) it is mentioned in the Met. Bulls.
> > But because all analyzes were done independently,
> > each analyzed meteorite (or group of meteorites
> > from the same verified lot) will receive its own NWA number.
> >
> > Here I realize that, at that stage, it is very
> > difficult to decide to only retain as official
> > the first NWA number attributed chronologically
> > and to cancel all the next NWA numbers.
> >
> > I for one am just happy when pairings are
> > reported. This is often the case for "important"
> > types such as the planetaries.
> > But for the "common" H6's or L5's, I believe this is very seldom done.
> >
> > So far, regarding my collection catalogue, here
> > is what I mention (for my NWA 4857 sample taken
> > as an example), just to have an idea of the total
> > mass of that meteorite evaluated so far.
> >
> > NWA 4857 (Algeria, Shergottite enr maf), 0.928 g in collection; tkw:1 at 24 g:
> >
> > ....Paired with NWA 2975 (70.1 g), NWA 2986
> > (170 g), NWA 2987 (82 g), NWA 4766 (225 g), NWA
> > 4783 (120 g), NWA 4864 (94 g), NWA 4878 (130 g),
> > NWA 4880 (81.6 g), NWA 4930 (117.5 g), NWA 5140
> > (7.5 g), NWA 5214 (50.7 g), NWA 5219 (60 g),
> > NWA5313 (5.3 g) and NWA 5366 (39.6 g).
> > Cumulated tkw: 1273.3 g (as per Jan. 2010)
> >
> > I know that this neither sheds more light to the
> > problem, nor answers your concerns.
> > Hopefully someone can add more to the issue.
> >
> > My best,
> >
> > Zelimir
> >
> >
> > At 17:09 18/01/2010, Greg Catterton wrote:
> >>I have often wondered and after some discussion
> >>with others I wanted to get the community feeling on the issue of pairings.
> >>
> >>If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out
> >>there and more is recovered and verified to be
> >>the same material from the same strewnfield,
> >>should the new material share the NWA number and the TKW be updated?
> >>I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and many other meteorites.
> >>Same material with different numbers and TKWs listed.
> >>
> >>Would it not be in the best interest to have all
> >>the paired samples share on number? This would
> >>surely cut the amount of NWA material by 1000 or more.
> >>Why is this not done?
> >>
> >>What is the process for pairing material to share the NWA number?
> >>Is it up to the dealer or the person who did testing?
> >>
> >>What affect would it have on value if something
> >>with a listed TKW of 200g suddenly was paired
> >>with the 3 other numbers assigned to the same
> >>material and the TKW was pushed to 1kg or more?
> >>Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this a concern for some?
> >>
> >>I am trying to better understand the
> >>politics/red tape that goes with this area.
> >>
> >>Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.
> >>
> >>Greg C.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>______________________________________________
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> >
> > Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> > Universit? de Haute Alsace
> > ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
> > 3, Rue A. Werner,
> > F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> > Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
> > Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
> >
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Mon Jan 18 15:30:40 2010
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:30:40 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <972586.60169.qm@web113603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <972586.60169.qm@web113603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004e01ca987d$1bb5be70$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Hi Shawn,

at least for the lunars and Martians the pairing groups are well and
completely established and easily visible for everyone

for the lunaites on Randy Korotev's famous site:
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm

for the Martians on Tony Irving's soon similarly famous site
(what a pity that we discussed here on the list rather a silly Mars fake,
than his excellent suggestion for a new classification scheme for the
shergottites...):

http://www.imca.cc/mars/martian-meteorites.htm


and for both on Norbert Classen's site:
http://www.meteoris.de/


Hi Greg C. - 

The Meteoritical Society is a scientific institution and has nothing to do
with private collecting or commercialism.

In general, so unsatisfying it sometimes can be, in meteoritics we're still
in the period of harvesting the big boom. In my opinion pairings if
necessary could be set together also later (when the desert will have been
closed).
That number salad is maintained for decades also with the Antarctic finds,
which keep their field numbers - there on average five numbers are paired
with eachother.

Nice side effect for science is, the more numbers a pairing group receives,
the more deposit samples will be obtained for free.
Problematic are cases, where the samples of the originally same meteorite
are classified at different places with different results.
Remember the El Haggouina discussion, where some still insist, that it is an
aubrite, while others revised it to an enstatite chondrite.
Or those inconsistencies like that one e.g. with the lunars, that a later
pairing to an established number group received a geographical name.

For you as an IMCA-member, there exist clear rules:

- Even if you're absolutely sure, that one of your stones is paired to one
or several existing NWA-numbers, you are not allowed in no case to use one
of these numbers.
Let's take your Martian as example: You would have been not allowed to call
it NWA 2975 or NWA 4766.

- If you have the opinion, one of your stones could be paired to existing
NWA-numbers, you're not allowed to state, that it IS paired to an existing
number, as long as a scientist gives you the o.k. that it is paired.
Until then you have to make it undoubtedly clear, that it could possibly
paired BASED on your own guess.
In your case, if you haven't had yet checked your Martian by a scientist,
you wouldn't have been allowed to declare it paired to the others.

- If you have acquired a bunch of unclassified stones, where you personally
are convinced, that they are the same - show them all to a scientist.
If you have many crumbs of your Martian, let have a scientist a look at all
of them, whether they really are all the same.

- Last issue: "Self-classification". No matter how experienced you are, no
matter how trustworthy your source might be. As long as a stone isn't
classified or in classification and the scientist hasn't given you the
proper classification yet - you are not allowed as IMCA-member to assign a
certain type to the stone, but you have to make it unmistakably clear, that
the possible type is your own guess, based solely on your own opinion.
Hence with your Martian, as long as you hadn't the NWA-number yet, nor any
confirmation that it is indeed a Martian by a scientist,
you could have called it only a "possible Martian" in my opinion.

Hope that helped,
Martin 


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn
Alan
Gesendet: Montag, 18. Januar 2010 20:46
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

Greg and the list,
?
As a seller I would say its your obligation to disclose all information
about that meteorite as possible. However, I recently encountered that with
some meteorites being sold on eBay and the excuse of the individual was... I
have been busy and its hard to keep up with new finds... The funny thing is
is?the new?meteorite?was also in their collection. So the real question is
what do you do and what I did is I did my research on the meteorite and
found that the rare meteorite was not?that rare and there were
more?meteorites in that group. So please people be truth and honest.
?
Shawn Alan?
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Mon Jan 18 16:14:04 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:14:04 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
References: <972586.60169.qm@web113603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<004e01ca987d$1bb5be70$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <8C1D3B0933044157B99743C0F791BC29@Gregor>

Hi Martin and List,

Very well said! Thank you for your input and what I believe most of us agree 
is the proper set of rules one should follow as collectors, sellers, and 
especially as upstanding IMCA Members!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions


Hi Shawn,

at least for the lunars and Martians the pairing groups are well and
completely established and easily visible for everyone

for the lunaites on Randy Korotev's famous site:
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm

for the Martians on Tony Irving's soon similarly famous site
(what a pity that we discussed here on the list rather a silly Mars fake,
than his excellent suggestion for a new classification scheme for the
shergottites...):

http://www.imca.cc/mars/martian-meteorites.htm


and for both on Norbert Classen's site:
http://www.meteoris.de/


Hi Greg C. -

The Meteoritical Society is a scientific institution and has nothing to do
with private collecting or commercialism.

In general, so unsatisfying it sometimes can be, in meteoritics we're still
in the period of harvesting the big boom. In my opinion pairings if
necessary could be set together also later (when the desert will have been
closed).
That number salad is maintained for decades also with the Antarctic finds,
which keep their field numbers - there on average five numbers are paired
with eachother.

Nice side effect for science is, the more numbers a pairing group receives,
the more deposit samples will be obtained for free.
Problematic are cases, where the samples of the originally same meteorite
are classified at different places with different results.
Remember the El Haggouina discussion, where some still insist, that it is an
aubrite, while others revised it to an enstatite chondrite.
Or those inconsistencies like that one e.g. with the lunars, that a later
pairing to an established number group received a geographical name.

For you as an IMCA-member, there exist clear rules:

- Even if you're absolutely sure, that one of your stones is paired to one
or several existing NWA-numbers, you are not allowed in no case to use one
of these numbers.
Let's take your Martian as example: You would have been not allowed to call
it NWA 2975 or NWA 4766.

- If you have the opinion, one of your stones could be paired to existing
NWA-numbers, you're not allowed to state, that it IS paired to an existing
number, as long as a scientist gives you the o.k. that it is paired.
Until then you have to make it undoubtedly clear, that it could possibly
paired BASED on your own guess.
In your case, if you haven't had yet checked your Martian by a scientist,
you wouldn't have been allowed to declare it paired to the others.

- If you have acquired a bunch of unclassified stones, where you personally
are convinced, that they are the same - show them all to a scientist.
If you have many crumbs of your Martian, let have a scientist a look at all
of them, whether they really are all the same.

- Last issue: "Self-classification". No matter how experienced you are, no
matter how trustworthy your source might be. As long as a stone isn't
classified or in classification and the scientist hasn't given you the
proper classification yet - you are not allowed as IMCA-member to assign a
certain type to the stone, but you have to make it unmistakably clear, that
the possible type is your own guess, based solely on your own opinion.
Hence with your Martian, as long as you hadn't the NWA-number yet, nor any
confirmation that it is indeed a Martian by a scientist,
you could have called it only a "possible Martian" in my opinion.

Hope that helped,
Martin


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn
Alan
Gesendet: Montag, 18. Januar 2010 20:46
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

Greg and the list,

As a seller I would say its your obligation to disclose all information
about that meteorite as possible. However, I recently encountered that with
some meteorites being sold on eBay and the excuse of the individual was... I
have been busy and its hard to keep up with new finds... The funny thing is
is the new meteorite was also in their collection. So the real question is
what do you do and what I did is I did my research on the meteorite and
found that the rare meteorite was not that rare and there were
more meteorites in that group. So please people be truth and honest.

Shawn Alan
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From Midwest at Meteorman.org  Mon Jan 18 16:25:18 2010
From: Midwest at Meteorman.org (Timothy  Heitz)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:25:18 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
References: <276287.1093.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<201001181745.o0IHjln4002369@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>
Message-ID: <86503613ADB142938247F560E1B0C6B8@den>


Don't expect every meteorite found in this strewnfield to get its own 
number, that's just is not going to happen

NWA 2975/
/2986
/2987
/4766
/4783
/4857
/4864
/4878
/4880
/4930
/5140
/5214
/5219
/5113
/5366/  etc,etc,etc,etc,etc

Did I leave any out:)

Tim Heitz















----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zelimir Gabelica" <Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr>
To: "Greg Catterton" <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions


Hi Greg,

This might be a typical question for Jeff Grossman.

I am also continuously puzzled by the abundance
of paired meteorites (thus those that are officially recognized as such).

Let's suppose that once one (or a few)
meteorite(s) are selected from an important lot
(as found) and sold to someone, this someone
(scientist, collector....) would envisage its classification.
And the same will possibly happen with the other meteorites from the same 
lot.
As a result, there will be as many different NWA
numbers, as independent classifications (of the - probably- same meteorite).
As most of these classifications probably won't
be concerted, there will not be pairings reported
and we will end up with as many different
meteorites, most probably of the same type, that
will never be suspected being paired.

If a pairing is suspected, I believe this results
from "concerted" analyses (of either meteorites
stemming from the same lot and analyzed by
different groups, or of the same meteorites
provided by different finders (buyers....)
brought for analysis to the same group).

This even complicates further if there are more
than one such "lot" found (meteorite shower
spread throughout a large strewnfield).

In case of such "concerted" analyzes, I guess
that the labs will still give a different NWA
number to each meteorite (or group of meteorites
from the same lot) analyzed, because one is never
sure that 2 meteorites supposed to come from the
same lot are at 100% the same.
If pairing is reported, then most of the time
(not always) it is mentioned in the Met. Bulls.
But because all analyzes were done independently,
each analyzed meteorite (or group of meteorites
from the same verified lot) will receive its own NWA number.

Here I realize that, at that stage, it is very
difficult to decide to only retain as official
the first NWA number attributed chronologically
and to cancel all the next NWA numbers.

I for one am just happy when pairings are
reported. This is often the case for "important"
types such as the planetaries.
But for the "common" H6's or L5's, I believe this is very seldom done.

So far, regarding my collection catalogue, here
is what I mention (for my NWA 4857 sample taken
as an example), just to have an idea of the total
mass of that meteorite evaluated so far.

NWA 4857 (Algeria, Shergottite enr maf),  0.928 g in collection;  tkw:1 at 24 
g:

....Paired with NWA 2975 (70.1 g), NWA 2986
(170  g), NWA 2987 (82 g), NWA 4766 (225 g), NWA
4783 (120 g), NWA 4864 (94 g), NWA 4878 (130 g),
NWA 4880 (81.6 g), NWA 4930 (117.5 g), NWA 5140
(7.5 g), NWA 5214 (50.7 g), NWA 5219 (60 g),
NWA5313 (5.3 g) and NWA 5366 (39.6 g).
Cumulated tkw: 1273.3 g (as per Jan. 2010)

I know that this neither sheds more light to the
problem, nor answers your concerns.
Hopefully someone can add more to the issue.

My best,

Zelimir


At 17:09 18/01/2010, Greg Catterton wrote:
>I have often wondered and after some discussion with others I wanted to get 
>the community feeling on the issue of pairings.
>
>If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out there and more is recovered 
>and verified to be the same material from the same strewnfield, should the 
>new material share the NWA number and the TKW be updated?
>I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and many other meteorites.
>Same material with different numbers and TKWs listed.
>
>Would it not be in the best interest to have all the paired samples share 
>on number? This would surely cut the amount of NWA material by 1000 or 
>more.
>Why is this not done?
>
>What is the process for pairing material to share the NWA number?
>Is it up to the dealer or the person who did testing?
>
>What affect would it have on value if something with a listed TKW of 200g 
>suddenly was paired with the 3 other numbers assigned to the same material 
>and the TKW was pushed to 1kg or more?
>Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this a concern for some?
>
>I am trying to better understand the politics/red tape that goes with this 
>area.
>
>Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.
>
>Greg C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 16:57:15 2010
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:57:15 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <550033.39458.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <SNT117-W10A7BAF8CDD8B8333D9B26D2660@phx.gbl>
	<550033.39458.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <93aaac891001181357w7dc3fcb0h8a7a1e085062e18f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Greg, All,

This brings up a valid point - when total known weights have increased
since initial reporting, I believe that dealers should be obligated to
change their numbers.  Otherwise they are *lying* about what they're
selling.  The total known weight of Taza is not 75 kilograms, the
total known weight of Franconia is not 100 kilograms, and we all know
there's more of a few NWA's like 3118 and 2086 than any one person
could shake a stick at.  The only time anyone actually seems to keep
any sort of track of a new meteorite's whereabouts *to any degree* is
when it's a planetary meteorite - otherwise pairings tend to be
ignored.
But this makes sense - think about it from a dealer's perspective.
Would you want to list the tkw of a stone you're selling as "unknown,
> than 20 kilograms," or would you prefer it to be the "official" ~700
grams.
It makes sense for the sellers to use the outdated information, and
they've been able to get away with it until now, not that things are
going to change any time soon.

This situation is wholly unscientific, and while we've been calling it
a meteorite "rush" for a while, in the end, we dealers and collectors
are the ones who made it financially viable for the locals to start
implementing this kind of a recovery process in which almost all find
data is lost (though there have been plenty of other instances of
unscientific behavior in the field - e.g. the Nova stones - also due
to a dealer looking to maximize profits - and the "Sahara XXxxx"
stones, for which coordinates have still yet to be released - and I'm
thinking they likely never will be).  Then, of course, you have the
issue with finders misreporting coordinates for rare finds in Oman,
blatantly lying to the scientific community about where they have
found their stones.  It's one thing to say that you won't give the
coordinates up; it's another entirely to lie.  Yes, I understand why
they're doing it, but...damn.  If you lie, you should lose credibility
-- and no one here seems to care.

I suppose the bottom line is that we're dealing with an unregulated
system in which no one has any reason to publish any such data.
There's just no reason to, so....yeah.  Ideally, every stone would be
GPS'ed, photographed in-situ, and the truth would be told, but that
would take for more time and money than most people apparently want to
put into it.  And people would get screwed by competitors stealing
their hard-earned data, robbing their strewn-fields.  Hell, the
Moroccans now have the funds to buy their own GPS' anyways.  I'd say
there's a reason they likely don't buy them and use them; they
probably want to keep their find locations a secret as well.

And then everyone gets pissed when an American hunter keeps a fall
location a secret because he wants to document every piece well.

Go figure.

Jason


On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Greg Catterton
<star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
> As a seller, what is expected of me or anyone else offering material like this?
>
> Should I make it very clear that while I am selling a 1.25g stone paired with NWA 4857 that there is a considerable amount more then the TKW listed?
> Would saying its paired with another of those stones be misleading even though they are all paired together?
>
> By not offering more precise info about possible TKW and pairing if I am aware of it, but dont, is that considered bad to not disclose full information available?
>
> I have seen some selling that list a rather nice amount of information while others seem to want to give the appearance that the low TKW is all of that material there is, when in fact there could be as much as 1000x more, just with another number.
>
> Lots of questions, I know... Just trying to get a better understanding of this and expectations from pairing.
>
> Greg
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
>> To: zelimir.gabelica at uha.fr, star_wars_collector at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 1:20 PM
>>
>> Zelimir:
>>
>> So it's possible all the classifications (shown below) are
>> from the same fall?? And perhaps from the same large mass?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> > NWA 4857 (Algeria, Shergottite enr maf), 0.928 g in
>> collection; tkw:1 at 24 g:
>> >
>> > ....Paired with NWA 2975 (70.1 g), NWA 2986
>> > (170 g), NWA 2987 (82 g), NWA 4766 (225 g), NWA
>> > 4783 (120 g), NWA 4864 (94 g), NWA 4878 (130 g),
>> > NWA 4880 (81.6 g), NWA 4930 (117.5 g), NWA 5140
>> > (7.5 g), NWA 5214 (50.7 g), NWA 5219 (60 g),
>> > NWA5313 (5.3 g) and NWA 5366 (39.6 g).
>> > Cumulated tkw: 1273.3 g (as per Jan. 2010)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>> > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:46:15 +0100
>> > To: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com;
>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing
>> discussion/questions
>> >
>> > Hi Greg,
>> >
>> > This might be a typical question for Jeff Grossman.
>> >
>> > I am also continuously puzzled by the abundance
>> > of paired meteorites (thus those that are officially
>> recognized as such).
>> >
>> > Let's suppose that once one (or a few)
>> > meteorite(s) are selected from an important lot
>> > (as found) and sold to someone, this someone
>> > (scientist, collector....) would envisage its
>> classification.
>> > And the same will possibly happen with the other
>> meteorites from the same lot.
>> > As a result, there will be as many different NWA
>> > numbers, as independent classifications (of the -
>> probably- same meteorite).
>> > As most of these classifications probably won't
>> > be concerted, there will not be pairings reported
>> > and we will end up with as many different
>> > meteorites, most probably of the same type, that
>> > will never be suspected being paired.
>> >
>> > If a pairing is suspected, I believe this results
>> > from "concerted" analyses (of either meteorites
>> > stemming from the same lot and analyzed by
>> > different groups, or of the same meteorites
>> > provided by different finders (buyers....)
>> > brought for analysis to the same group).
>> >
>> > This even complicates further if there are more
>> > than one such "lot" found (meteorite shower
>> > spread throughout a large strewnfield).
>> >
>> > In case of such "concerted" analyzes, I guess
>> > that the labs will still give a different NWA
>> > number to each meteorite (or group of meteorites
>> > from the same lot) analyzed, because one is never
>> > sure that 2 meteorites supposed to come from the
>> > same lot are at 100% the same.
>> > If pairing is reported, then most of the time
>> > (not always) it is mentioned in the Met. Bulls.
>> > But because all analyzes were done independently,
>> > each analyzed meteorite (or group of meteorites
>> > from the same verified lot) will receive its own NWA
>> number.
>> >
>> > Here I realize that, at that stage, it is very
>> > difficult to decide to only retain as official
>> > the first NWA number attributed chronologically
>> > and to cancel all the next NWA numbers.
>> >
>> > I for one am just happy when pairings are
>> > reported. This is often the case for "important"
>> > types such as the planetaries.
>> > But for the "common" H6's or L5's, I believe this is
>> very seldom done.
>> >
>> > So far, regarding my collection catalogue, here
>> > is what I mention (for my NWA 4857 sample taken
>> > as an example), just to have an idea of the total
>> > mass of that meteorite evaluated so far.
>> >
>> > NWA 4857 (Algeria, Shergottite enr maf), 0.928 g in
>> collection; tkw:1 at 24 g:
>> >
>> > ....Paired with NWA 2975 (70.1 g), NWA 2986
>> > (170 g), NWA 2987 (82 g), NWA 4766 (225 g), NWA
>> > 4783 (120 g), NWA 4864 (94 g), NWA 4878 (130 g),
>> > NWA 4880 (81.6 g), NWA 4930 (117.5 g), NWA 5140
>> > (7.5 g), NWA 5214 (50.7 g), NWA 5219 (60 g),
>> > NWA5313 (5.3 g) and NWA 5366 (39.6 g).
>> > Cumulated tkw: 1273.3 g (as per Jan. 2010)
>> >
>> > I know that this neither sheds more light to the
>> > problem, nor answers your concerns.
>> > Hopefully someone can add more to the issue.
>> >
>> > My best,
>> >
>> > Zelimir
>> >
>> >
>> > At 17:09 18/01/2010, Greg Catterton wrote:
>> >>I have often wondered and after some discussion
>> >>with others I wanted to get the community feeling
>> on the issue of pairings.
>> >>
>> >>If a meteorite say NWA 1877 for example is out
>> >>there and more is recovered and verified to be
>> >>the same material from the same strewnfield,
>> >>should the new material share the NWA number and
>> the TKW be updated?
>> >>I have noticed many pairings with NWA 1877 and many
>> other meteorites.
>> >>Same material with different numbers and TKWs
>> listed.
>> >>
>> >>Would it not be in the best interest to have all
>> >>the paired samples share on number? This would
>> >>surely cut the amount of NWA material by 1000 or
>> more.
>> >>Why is this not done?
>> >>
>> >>What is the process for pairing material to share
>> the NWA number?
>> >>Is it up to the dealer or the person who did
>> testing?
>> >>
>> >>What affect would it have on value if something
>> >>with a listed TKW of 200g suddenly was paired
>> >>with the 3 other numbers assigned to the same
>> >>material and the TKW was pushed to 1kg or more?
>> >>Surely it would decrease as supply grew. Is this a
>> concern for some?
>> >>
>> >>I am trying to better understand the
>> >>politics/red tape that goes with this area.
>> >>
>> >>Thanks, hope everyone is doing well.
>> >>
>> >>Greg C.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >
>> > Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
>> > Universit? de Haute Alsace
>> > ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
>> > 3, Rue A. Werner,
>> > F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
>> > Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
>> > Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
>> >
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From nwa482 at comcast.net  Mon Jan 18 17:10:41 2010
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:10:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <1674701260.12799691263852616559.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1883897622.12799911263852641557.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Well, I don't know if you left any out as that is not really important.

However, anybody who thinks they can sit in front of their TV eyeballing meteorites that they just got in the mail from from some remote desert, and make a "best guess" classification will get called out by those of us who donate the proper classification repository and pay for the thin sections required.

This is my position on meteorites that I get properly classified. I am sure there are other long time collectors/dealers that, like me, have spent thousands of dollars over the years to "do the right thing" that will agree with this position.


Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/

>>>
>>>>
>>>Don't expect every meteorite found in this strewnfield to get its own 
number, that's just is not going to happen 

NWA 2975/ 
/2986 
/2987 
/4766 
/4783 
/4857 
/4864 
/4878 
/4880 
/4930 
/5140 
/5214 
/5219 
/5113 
/5366/ etc,etc,etc,etc,etc 

Did I leave any out:) 

Tim Heitz 


From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 17:33:57 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:33:57 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] One Hour Left in the Red Cross benefit meteorite
	auction
Message-ID: <e51421551001181433n1c72e1c7t4fd1f39bdbc6c218@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List!

Please forgive the second post about this auction, but it's for a good
cause and 100% of the proceeds go to charity.

There is only one hour left in this auction.  I will include MANY free
bonus items, includes micros of rare types, to the winner.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290391949725

Thanks for looking!

MikeG


From lintonius at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 18 19:21:12 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:21:12 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Joe's meteor-wrong
References: <969283.46815.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DA1A211E1901400E97EBD0A48C615A48@D190TH71>

Ed and list,
Joe's website refered to it as "Mendota", for the nearby town in Illinois.
I have labeled my end cut as such, and look forward to having fun with it 
during my show-and-tell sessions.
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 2:41 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Joe's meteor-wrong


> Hi Joe,
>
> I think it is time for your meteor-wrong to get another name besides Joe's 
> meteor-wrong. Following the meteorite naming conventions, what is the 
> nearest point to your "finds"?
>
> I think you might have good luck with a monograph, showing the 
> "strewnfield" distribution and how and who finally determined it was a 
> meteor wrong.
>
> This monograph might be very useful for dealing with those who come in to 
> labs with meteor-wrongs, showing them how even pretty well educated 
> collectors can be fooled by good looking meteor-wrongs.
>
> Ed
>
> PS - Kinko's will do a plastic binding at a very low cost.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 18 19:32:25 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:32:25 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list]  "Mad Anne Ridge" meteorite???
References: <29466.4647.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EBA6959115B24510A468C553D97BFB95@D190TH71>

Greetings listoids,
Someone on another forum (Astromart) asked about this alleged meteorite, 
supposed to have fallen in the early '60's. I've never heard of it, but that 
doesn't mean much. The MetBull shows no search results though, and that 
carries a bit more weight. Has anybody heard this name before, or is this 
guy out to lunch?
Linton

I'm fairly certain this has nothing to do with our beloved friend in 
Colorado. ;^)



From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 19:37:15 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:37:15 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Mad Anne Ridge" meteorite???
In-Reply-To: <EBA6959115B24510A468C553D97BFB95@D190TH71>
References: <29466.4647.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<EBA6959115B24510A468C553D97BFB95@D190TH71>
Message-ID: <e51421551001181637j1b4efd67m61bb16c79d185d21@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Linton and List,

Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites doesn't contain any entry on that name
or variation of that name.

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG

On 1/18/10, Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Greetings listoids,
> Someone on another forum (Astromart) asked about this alleged meteorite,
> supposed to have fallen in the early '60's. I've never heard of it, but that
> doesn't mean much. The MetBull shows no search results though, and that
> carries a bit more weight. Has anybody heard this name before, or is this
> guy out to lunch?
> Linton
>
> I'm fairly certain this has nothing to do with our beloved friend in
> Colorado. ;^)
>
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From meteorites at online.nl  Mon Jan 18 19:44:58 2010
From: meteorites at online.nl (Jan Bartels)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:44:58 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Very rare material.....
Message-ID: <A894616D4A004448BFD79A3702DA2946@laptop>

Listoids,

Some of the rarest material offered:
You can buy Moon.....Mars....but when did you ever see a Dutch "Hammer" 
offered...

Glanerbrug
Fell: April 7, 1990 in Glanerbrug, the Netherlands.
This meteorite penetrated the roof of a house. A total of about 800 grams 
was recovered on the attic floor and under the roof tiles.
Type LL5 stony meteorite.
The fragment (no crust) we have for offer weighs 4,1 grams and is the 
largest ever offered.
This material is the rarest in private collections!!
Make a serious offer......

Ingella Station.
Chondrite H5,
Found 1987, Queensland Australia,
TKW 17 KG.
Fragment, no crust 19,8 grams.

Dalgety Downs,
Found, 1941, Gascoyne District, Australia
L4 Chondrite,
Fragment, no crust, 50,7 grams

Willamette,
Iron, shale fragment 9,1 grams.

Haxtun,
H/L4 - L4 chondrite (rare!!)
Found 1975
Phillips Co, Colorado
TKW only 15,5 kg.
Part slice, no crust 5,8 grams.

Hoba shale fragment with number H(or M?) 190.3
13 grams.

Make an offer on any of the above (sorry no trades)
Payments by Paypal only.

Ask for pictures off list pls.
I may reply later since it's already midnight over the big pond in Holland.

Greets,
Jan
IMCA 9833 



From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 20:34:29 2010
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:34:29 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Mad Anne Ridge" meteorite???
In-Reply-To: <e51421551001181637j1b4efd67m61bb16c79d185d21@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29466.4647.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<EBA6959115B24510A468C553D97BFB95@D190TH71>
	<e51421551001181637j1b4efd67m61bb16c79d185d21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93aaac891001181734g5d70e9d7k5bd38d2ca9a6a86f@mail.gmail.com>

I checked out the ridge - the only references I found to a "Mad Anne's
Ridge" were somewhere in Allegany County, NY, but the only fall within
New York that happened within a few decades of the 1960's was the
Schenectady meteorite, which fell *nowhere* near Allegany County - or
the town of Allegany (not in said county).  And that stone fell in
1968.

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=york&sfor=places&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=United+States&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normal%20table&code=23458

But there's a pretty amusing story as to how the ridge got its name here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=4FtIAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=%22Mad+Anne's+Ridge%22+pioneer+days+in+alleghany+county&source=bl&ots=RArBojgFNW&sig=2oLGRSNw5Uz9qLrrUt7649QhlgU&hl=en&ei=cgpVS__oNoLctgO60syFCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Mad%20Anne's%20Ridge%22%20pioneer%20days%20in%20alleghany%20county&f=false

Good old pioneer tales...
So either it's a myth or it's unreported.
Regards,
Jason

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
<meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Linton and List,
>
> Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites doesn't contain any entry on that name
> or variation of that name.
>
> Best regards and clear skies,
>
> MikeG
>
> On 1/18/10, Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Greetings listoids,
>> Someone on another forum (Astromart) asked about this alleged meteorite,
>> supposed to have fallen in the early '60's. I've never heard of it, but that
>> doesn't mean much. The MetBull shows no search results though, and that
>> carries a bit more weight. Has anybody heard this name before, or is this
>> guy out to lunch?
>> Linton
>>
>> I'm fairly certain this has nothing to do with our beloved friend in
>> Colorado. ;^)
>>
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>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Mon Jan 18 20:53:07 2010
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:53:07 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <93aaac891001181357w7dc3fcb0h8a7a1e085062e18f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT117-W10A7BAF8CDD8B8333D9B26D2660@phx.gbl><550033.39458.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<93aaac891001181357w7dc3fcb0h8a7a1e085062e18f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006e01ca98aa$2660a290$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Jason, Jason, Jason..

...sometimes I can't believe, what you're writing.

Tell me examples for misrepresented coordinates from Oman!

Man, from the beginning on the Russians and the Germans in Oman meticulously
documented their finds. With coordinates, with in situ photos, with
describing the properties of the surrounding ground.. some of them were
examined and trained geologists from one of the most reputable meteorite
institutes of the World.

Yah I remember, in the very early times, they didn't made public the
coordinates of their planetaries. But only for a very short period.
And in consequence hunters from many countries, including the only official
team there, found so many more stones of their early finds, in the
strewnfields they had recovered and disclosed to everyone.

Make your homework, check the Dhofar and SaU numbers, the lunars and the
Martians, who all found some and when.

I don't allow you to discredit the incredibly important work, these true
pioneers did for me, for science, for you and for all of us.

The only case I remember is the new Dhofar-Moon - there the finders seem to
be simply afraid to give more information, because of the Suisse-Omani
terror of the recent years.

Aaaaand now to NWA.

What is a meteorite worth, for science, when it has no find data.

Go and ask, what USA, what China, what Japan is spending all in all
including costs for infrastructure and personnel to find meteorites in
Antarctica. We are speaking of hundreds of millions of dollars.
For meteorites, all having lost their fall data, because they were
transported by ice movement.
Seems, that they do have a certain value.

Every Moroccan a GPS...
Make again your homework. How many tons were found in total in Oman, in how
many man-hours? 6 tons in 10 years, naturally most of them weathered
ordinary chondrites (where you would pull a face, if you should pay even
only 200$ a kilo, classified, well understood).

Make your homework. How many different meteorites do we have from Antarctica
after a third of a century hunting and spending billions of USD?
7000.
And - naturally - most of them ordinary chondrites.

Alone with NWA we are in less than 9 years at number 6000.
And, do your homework, what do you find in the Bulletins?
Incredibly disproportionately highly more scientifically interesting stuff
than weathered OCs.
The bulk in Sahara are like everywhere else on Earth the weathered OCs.
Those aren't classified, because no scientist wants to work on such material
and no institute nor collector wants to have them.
In the Bulletins you see from Sahara only the tip of the iceberg, the best
of the best. 
The people of Maghreb have to pick up just as well as any other hunters
elsewhere too their hundred true meteorites until they hold a for you boring
eucrite in their hand.

Do you really think, that there only 10 or 20 clowns are stumbling through
half a continent to collect meteorites and that would be NWA? Man - you have
not the slightest idea what for dimensions of time, distances and work it
needs, that you get that rare stuff from Morocco delivered on your desk for
a pocket money.

And they have no coordinates. Bravo.
Any institute here, any scientist there, who is willing to pay 250.000$ a
gram for a lunar? Anyone out there, who likes to pay 1500$ instead of 30$
for an Acapulcoite? Anyone from ANSMET there - man, in that few years, we
two found so many CKs and Rs like the Antarctic teams would need more than a
decade to find, and for all of them together we asked a price, just
sufficient to pay the flight for one or two single scientists to Antarctica
and back.
The flights only. 

Yah strewnfields, weathering, science.. - do it, instead of complaining.
Where are the official teams in Sahara? I know of not a single official
expedition there. Where are they? There are enough meteorites left there to
be discovered and to do all kind of field work on them.

Yah, they do have no coordinates.
But for that, science and you get the stuff at a minute fraction of the
costs of all the 200 years before and at a fraction of a fraction of a
fraction if all these stones had to be found financed by public money with
official expeditions. And you get such a broad choice, stones where 10, 15
years nobody could even imagine, that they would exist at all.

Man, Jason, remember EUROMET?
Check it out, they had annual expenses for personnel only, without that
anyone even had set a foot over the doorstep of his bureau, of 8.5 millions
ECU.  ECU was the currency unit before EURO was introduced.
Take additional inflation,
They spent hence 20 millions of USD PER YEAR only for personnel, without
devices, without equipment, without any expedition yet.
Yaaabbayabbayabba - yes, they did also research, well understood.

But what can you buy for 20 millions? Jason, there do not exist enough
lunaites on Earth, that you could spend 20 millions!
If you buy all Eucrites, all Howardites, all Diogenites found ever over the
whole planet and from all times (without of course the horribly expensive
Antarctic finds) - you still will have left over a lot of that sum.
Make a Bessey deal like in former times. 25$/kg for unclassified W3 OCs.
But then you would have to give Dean a hint, wherefrom Dean should take 800
tons of OCs, if the Catalogue lists only 700 tons of meteorites in history
and on Earth and less than 40 tons are stones and the rest irons. 

And - EUROMET was going in Sahara, yippieh, and they came back with
absolutely empty hands. Wrong hunting area? I doubt. It was the
Kem-Kem-region - exactly that region, where a little later the first
hundredweights of meteorites were found by locals, marking the beginning of
NWA.

And you dare to complain about missing coordinates and you are maundering
about shabby tricks of greedy hunters and dealers.

Welcome, spend some GPS-devices. I suggest you pay the first 1000 units.

Gosh, you have really no idea. Please, 3/4 or more of all those persons,
you'd call a dealer are doing it for fun and never sat a foot into Sahara,
they buy their stones on shows or from photos.
Wherefrom the heck shall they know, how much paired material is around?
Especially if it takes often up to 2 years until a number is published in
the Bulletin? Man, take a look to the numbers, sometimes it takes many
years, until an additional stone surfaces. Don't you even know famous NWA
011 - there are now pairings close to the 5000er numbers. Yeeeeeears
inbetween. Or NWA 722 up to Anoual and even later!! 

And do me a favour and show me the multimillionaires, who made their fortune
with meteorites, no matter if they used shady tricks or not to betray you.
I know only one, unfortunately a fictitious one: William Barriere from the
Anti-dealer propaganda comic strips from Canada.


Don't take my harshness too personally, had some bad days,

But I think I can say, we all are soooo sick and tired from that hunter- and
dealer-bashing. 

Years and years and years. Endlessly.

Man, they make the dirty work,
that work, nobody else is willing to do or able to do, neither the public
willing nor able to pay. Blood, sweat and tears. And they are horribly
underpaid, seen the performance they deliver day by day and the prices
having been paid the 200 years before the NWA-rush. 
The stats and the history prooves that all more than clearly. 
Get scientific, Jason.
They do it for science, they do it for the collectors, they do it for you
and they do it for their enthusiasm, because they are crazy minds.
They delivered the bulk of all meteorites on Earth, the very recent years in
volumes and in a diversity, nobody could have imagined even only 10 years
before,
and they drove the prices underground seen the last 200 years, making
meteorites available to each and every scientist and collector, and to
everybody of good will, saving the public and science millions, millions and
millions of funds, which are urgently needed elsewhere in meteoritic
research.

And therefore we all are more than fed up with this perseverative
reproaches, which really ignorant people like so much to heap on the
dealers, the hunters, the collectors.

When will they do their homework, when will they get mature...
We're writing the year 2010.
Yaha, Ward, Nininger, Zeitschel... yes, they were disregarded as wretches
too. Haven't we learned since?


Jason, check it out, where would we be today without the private sector,
which you blame, to act so unscientifically.
What for and how many meteorites would we have in the institutes and museums
at all without them?
How many publications we would have without them?
How many billions more would we have had to spend to get the same material?
What for meteorites at all would be there.

What would we do know without them about the solar system, about planetary
bodies and their formation. About the origin of the sun, the age and the
composition of the Earth. About the formation of planets around other stars.
About the possibility of life in space
and finally about ourselves?

Think well, Jason,
and then be happy and grateful,
that there are still persons willing to do that job.

Amen.
Martin 




 

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason
Utas
Gesendet: Montag, 18. Januar 2010 22:57
An: Greg Catterton; Meteorite-list
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

Hello Greg, All,

This brings up a valid point - when total known weights have increased
since initial reporting, I believe that dealers should be obligated to
change their numbers.  Otherwise they are *lying* about what they're
selling.  The total known weight of Taza is not 75 kilograms, the
total known weight of Franconia is not 100 kilograms, and we all know
there's more of a few NWA's like 3118 and 2086 than any one person
could shake a stick at.  The only time anyone actually seems to keep
any sort of track of a new meteorite's whereabouts *to any degree* is
when it's a planetary meteorite - otherwise pairings tend to be
ignored.
But this makes sense - think about it from a dealer's perspective.
Would you want to list the tkw of a stone you're selling as "unknown,
> than 20 kilograms," or would you prefer it to be the "official" ~700
grams.
It makes sense for the sellers to use the outdated information, and
they've been able to get away with it until now, not that things are
going to change any time soon.

This situation is wholly unscientific, and while we've been calling it
a meteorite "rush" for a while, in the end, we dealers and collectors
are the ones who made it financially viable for the locals to start
implementing this kind of a recovery process in which almost all find
data is lost (though there have been plenty of other instances of
unscientific behavior in the field - e.g. the Nova stones - also due
to a dealer looking to maximize profits - and the "Sahara XXxxx"
stones, for which coordinates have still yet to be released - and I'm
thinking they likely never will be).  Then, of course, you have the
issue with finders misreporting coordinates for rare finds in Oman,
blatantly lying to the scientific community about where they have
found their stones.  It's one thing to say that you won't give the
coordinates up; it's another entirely to lie.  Yes, I understand why
they're doing it, but...damn.  If you lie, you should lose credibility
-- and no one here seems to care.

I suppose the bottom line is that we're dealing with an unregulated
system in which no one has any reason to publish any such data.
There's just no reason to, so....yeah.  Ideally, every stone would be
GPS'ed, photographed in-situ, and the truth would be told, but that
would take for more time and money than most people apparently want to
put into it.  And people would get screwed by competitors stealing
their hard-earned data, robbing their strewn-fields.  Hell, the
Moroccans now have the funds to buy their own GPS' anyways.  I'd say
there's a reason they likely don't buy them and use them; they
probably want to keep their find locations a secret as well.

And then everyone gets pissed when an American hunter keeps a fall
location a secret because he wants to document every piece well.

Go figure.

Jason






From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 20:49:28 2010
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:49:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) METEORITES FORSALE
Message-ID: <431084.3066.qm@web57801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Good evening list.I have 9 meteorites that I am putting up forsale to get a little x-tra tucson cash,so with out further ado here we go;
_________________________________________________________________
1.NWA 1109??? 30.8 GRAM FULL SLICE? COTTINGHAM CARD??? $1K
2.UNCLASSIFIED?? 48 GRAM ORIENTED STONE????????????????????????? $250
3.LAS PALMAS?? 350 GRAM IRON/ W A HOLE????????????????????????????? $350
4.SIKOTE-ALIN?????? 185 GRAMS?? SMF CARD??????????????????????????????? $200
5.JOE'S METEORWRONG?? 165 GRAM MAIN MASS???????????????????? $100
6.UNCLASSIFIED? 33 GRAM ORIENTED? STONE BUTTON???????? $175
7.UNCLASSIFIED? 60 GRAM L3 TYPE ENDCUT?????????????????????????? $150
8.LIBYAN DESERT CLASS INDIVIDUAL? 66 GRAMS/ W HOLE?? $150
9.SIKOTE-ALIN???? 21 GRAM VERY SCULPTED???????????????????????????? $100
_________________________________________________________________
Free shipping for everything and ship anywhere in the world.Off list please.

?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! chicagometeorites.net/ 


From webbth1 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 21:04:36 2010
From: webbth1 at yahoo.com (Thomas Webb)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:04:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Pairing Discussions
Message-ID: <754943.87875.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

List,
Martin wrote--
- Even if you're absolutely sure, that one of your stones is paired to one
or several existing NWA-numbers, you are not allowed in no case to use one
of these numbers.

I think I understand the reasoning behind what has been put forth in this discussion so far and abide with it in my own dealings, however, I must wonder why practically everyone on the list who deals in meteorites has not had their "probably paired with" NWA 869 stones classified with a new number rather than just listing them as NWA 869 even though they bought them as unclassified and "probably paired with".  Is there some hypocrisy here?  Is it OK to make an eyeball pairing with 869 but not other NWA's?  Does no one care on this one simply because there is so much of it, so the rule does not apply?  Could it be that no one cares about getting a new number and classification if it's a meteorite that sells for pennies per gram, but if it sells for many dollars or hundreds of dollars per gram, then it becomes important?  Is it OK to bend or break the rules in some cases but not others?  Does greed ever enter into the equation?

I've asked a lot of questions.  I'm certain there's someone here who can give reasonable answers.

My best,
Thomas


      



From jasonchadwick67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 21:07:18 2010
From: jasonchadwick67 at yahoo.com (Jason Chadwick)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:07:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] test
Message-ID: <269303.25525.qm@web114006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

hello... test


      



From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Mon Jan 18 21:15:35 2010
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:15:35 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting poll...
Message-ID: <007101ca98ad$49b2f6f0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

.before I go to bed.

Hypothetically and very roughly:

What should a person earn per year, I mean, what shall she or he have for an
income left after all his expenses,
if he or she newly recovers per year by own means, let's say:

1 lunaite
1 Martian
10 HEDs
3 Rs
5 Carbonaceous - CMs, CKs, CRs
2 rare others, like ACAP, BRA, WIN or else.
1 relatively unique stone

Let's say, that's already enough.

Which salary should that person have in your opinion, compared to usual
occupation groups?


Good Night!
Martin 





From starsandscopes at aol.com  Mon Jan 18 21:32:01 2010
From: starsandscopes at aol.com (starsandscopes at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:32:01 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting poll...
Message-ID: <40af3.5d19762e.388673a1@aol.com>



Let me guess, an immense contribution to the  sciences but the return on 
investment looks like a charity  endeavor.

Martin Luther said after nailing his little paper to the door  of that 
church (very roughly translated) "Here I stand because I can do no  other."  Few 
of us have figured a way to actually make money at this.   It is a passion.

(Ever get up at 4 AM because you figured out how to  capture a miniscule 
feature on a meteorite thin section and can no longer  sleep?) I'm not saying 
I am up there with the hunter but we all have our  voices in our head.

Tom

In a message dated 1/18/2010 7:15:53 P.M.  Mountain Standard Time, 
altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
.before I go to  bed.

Hypothetically and very roughly:

What should a person earn  per year, I mean, what shall she or he have for 
an
income left after all his  expenses,
if he or she newly recovers per year by own means, let's  say:

1 lunaite
1 Martian
10 HEDs
3 Rs
5 Carbonaceous - CMs,  CKs, CRs
2 rare others, like ACAP, BRA, WIN or else.
1 relatively unique  stone

Let's say, that's already enough.

Which salary should that  person have in your opinion, compared to usual
occupation  groups?


Good Night!
Martin  



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From starsandscopes at aol.com  Mon Jan 18 21:36:08 2010
From: starsandscopes at aol.com (starsandscopes at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:36:08 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting poll...
Message-ID: <40c79.5aa7dd19.38867498@aol.com>



See,  We all have our voices.  It's  not just me!!!

In a message dated 1/18/2010 7:34:53 P.M. Mountain  Standard Time, 
star_wars_collector at yahoo.com writes:
its funny you say that.  Last night I wanted to cut into a new NWA... at 
4am.

Greg

--- On  Mon, 1/18/10, starsandscopes at aol.com <starsandscopes at aol.com>  
wrote:

> From: starsandscopes at aol.com  <starsandscopes at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting  poll...
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday,  January 18, 2010, 9:32 PM
> 
> 
> Let me guess, an immense  contribution to the  sciences
> but the return on 
> investment  looks like a charity  endeavor.
> 
> Martin Luther said after  nailing his little paper to the
> door  of that 
> church (very  roughly translated) "Here I stand because I
> can do no   other."  Few 
> of us have figured a way to actually make money  at
> this.   It is a passion.
> 
> (Ever get up at 4  AM because you figured out how to 
> capture a miniscule 
> feature  on a meteorite thin section and can no longer 
> sleep?) I'm not saying  
> I am up there with the hunter but we all have our 
> voices in  our head.
> 
> Tom
> 
> In a message dated 1/18/2010  7:15:53 P.M.  Mountain
> Standard Time, 
>  altmann at meteorite-martin.de
> writes:
> .before I go to   bed.
> 
> Hypothetically and very roughly:
> 
> What  should a person earn  per year, I mean, what
> shall she or he have  for 
> an
> income left after all his  expenses,
> if he  or she newly recovers per year by own means,
> let's  say:
>  
> 1 lunaite
> 1 Martian
> 10 HEDs
> 3 Rs
> 5  Carbonaceous - CMs,  CKs, CRs
> 2 rare others, like ACAP, BRA, WIN or  else.
> 1 relatively unique  stone
> 
> Let's say, that's  already enough.
> 
> Which salary should that  person have in  your opinion,
> compared to usual
> occupation  groups?
>  
> 
> Good Night!
> Martin  
> 
> 
>  
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From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Jan 18 22:35:45 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:35:45 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] What's that on Uranus?
In-Reply-To: <A894616D4A004448BFD79A3702DA2946@laptop>
References: <A894616D4A004448BFD79A3702DA2946@laptop>
Message-ID: <ou9al5121mfu2pr4st20v7c235mg244gal@4ax.com>

Finally, the origin of carbonados!

http://news.discovery.com/space/diamond-oceans-jupiter-uranus.html

Diamond Oceans Possible on Uranus, Neptune

By melting and resolidifying diamond, scientists explain how such liquid diamond
oceans may be possible.

Oceans of liquid diamond, filled with solid diamond icebergs, could be floating
on Neptune and Uranus, according to a recent article in the journal Nature
Physics.

The research, based on first detailed measurements of the melting point of
diamond, found diamond behaves like water during freezing and melting, with
solid forms floating atop liquid forms. The surprising revelation gives
scientists a new understanding about diamonds and some of the most distant
planets in our solar system.

"Diamond is a relatively common material on Earth, but its melting point has
never been measured," said Eggert. "You can't just raise the temperature and
have it melt, you have to also go to high pressures, which makes it very
difficult to measure the temperature."

Other groups, notably scientists from Sandia National Laboratories, successfully
melted diamond years ago, but they were unable to measure the pressure and
temperature at which the diamond melted.

Diamond is an incredibly hard material. That alone makes it difficult to melt.
But diamond has another quality that makes it even more difficult to measure its
melting point. Diamond doesn't like to stay diamond when it gets hot. When
diamond is heated to extreme temperatures it physically changes, from diamond to
graphite.

The graphite, and not the diamond, then melts into a liquid. The trick for the
scientists was to heat the diamond up while simultaneously stopping it from
transforming into graphite.


From John at Cabassi.net  Mon Jan 18 22:38:29 2010
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:38:29 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Pairing Discussions
In-Reply-To: <754943.87875.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701ca98b8$de3f8670$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2>

G'Day List
This has been a very interesting read. Quite some time ago, I brought up
the question about NWA 4024, which apparently on the card that
accompanied it and the Met Bull stated a TKW of 38.1g.  But there's
definitely alot more out there ??? Is there pairing going on here?

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa&sfor=names&ants=&falls
=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&cat
eg=Winonaites&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normaltable&code=34296 
 

And now for another, I purchased this off of Tom some time back. NWA
231, the met bull lists is as being provisional, it has yet to be
classified. The main mass was 1054g. What I have is 1048g, 6 grams are
missing; I think due to polishing a window. But I confirmed with Michael
C.  and it was confirmed. The label on the rock states "NWA 231" so
everything checks out. But it's yet to be classified. I have not found
the time to go ahead with this, but I was curious that NWA numbers were
handed out prior to being classified. 

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa+231&sfor=names&ants=&f
alls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name
&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normaltable&code=31470

Any thoughts?

Cheers
John
IMCA # 2125



From John at Cabassi.net  Mon Jan 18 22:41:22 2010
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:41:22 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting poll...
In-Reply-To: <40af3.5d19762e.388673a1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000801ca98b9$457ea5a0$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2>

G'Day Tom and List
I'm with you on the voices. Have you worked out an on / off switch yet?

Cheers
John

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Let me guess, an immense contribution to the  sciences but the return on

investment looks like a charity  endeavor.

Martin Luther said after nailing his little paper to the door  of that 
church (very roughly translated) "Here I stand because I can do no
other."  Few 
of us have figured a way to actually make money at this.   It is a
passion.

(Ever get up at 4 AM because you figured out how to  capture a miniscule

feature on a meteorite thin section and can no longer  sleep?) I'm not
saying 
I am up there with the hunter but we all have our  voices in our head.

Tom

In a message dated 1/18/2010 7:15:53 P.M.  Mountain Standard Time, 
altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
.before I go to  bed.

Hypothetically and very roughly:

What should a person earn  per year, I mean, what shall she or he have
for 
an
income left after all his  expenses,
if he or she newly recovers per year by own means, let's  say:

1 lunaite
1 Martian
10 HEDs
3 Rs
5 Carbonaceous - CMs,  CKs, CRs
2 rare others, like ACAP, BRA, WIN or else.
1 relatively unique  stone

Let's say, that's already enough.

Which salary should that  person have in your opinion, compared to usual
occupation  groups?


Good Night!
Martin  



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From jasonchadwick67 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 23:08:56 2010
From: jasonchadwick67 at yahoo.com (Jason Chadwick)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:08:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:  Spectacular Meteorite Sale,
	Auctions and Collection Pieces with LOW Reserve!
Message-ID: <169732.67567.qm@web114010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



This is a forward for my friend....

Hello,

Well worth a walk in the park......



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From pshugar at clearwire.net  Mon Jan 18 23:33:53 2010
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:33:53 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] RE Tahoka Question
Message-ID: <4A2A35919ECF4E2598291721169F48DE@laptop>

Has anyone ever sent in Tahoka to be classified?
I don't have a very great amount of this material, but
I'd be willing to either get more or send in a piece 
of mine to get it officially classified and into the Met-Bul.
Would there be a problem with this?
Related question-----
I have 3 main masses--------should I let the Met Bul
know that I hold them?
Pete IMCA 1733



From azizhabibi at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 23:39:02 2010
From: azizhabibi at yahoo.com (habibi abdelaziz)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:39:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
Message-ID: <687665.28540.qm@web62005.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

thanks martin,

i would say guys , the nomade are not hunters of meteorite as a job, most of the meteorite are found accidently, that's the reality except for the falls,
that we hire team to look for,

just to understand what is hapenning in nwa and what is going on on the list i will say
the nomade are in other dimensions, and the ?list also,
they will not understand what you are talking about, 

tell a nomade please carry with? you this gps , 
or where did you get your martian?

do you expect an answer from him,,

so except for falls i never ask a nomade where he found his stone by respect for the namade if you try to know where he get the stone,
he will zap you nextly,,,,,

if you want to keep a good relation ship with a nomade , never ask him where he get his stone,? 
than after he trust you and bring more stone if you keeping doing the detective he will pass to an other dealer

so here it hapened to the TKW problem come, the nomade show you first some and ask for price and if you do not screw him he will bring you the rest, if you do not pay a good price he will go to an other dealer , so nwa xxxx problem start this way, 
how cann help that, please tell me

guys come over here to morroco and nwa , you will love the place and people,
this just two difrent place dimensions worlds,? we can't compare,

also see some movies from the desert area and people here like babel, or other one

thanks
aziz


      


From gernbev at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 17 23:01:22 2010
From: gernbev at sbcglobal.net (Gerald Ascencio)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:01:22 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 77, Issue 42
References: <mailman.3.1263763144.34715.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <8A47ADF4B5BF4D36BAD8E6D89D5B5CC1@78ALFAROMEO>

Well answered Tom!
Fer christ's sake, anyone that has read your offerings would know how 
careful and analytic you are in your comments!!
Carry on!

Ger
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> individauil states?...
>
> ?I recently found many meteorites actually contain fossils of Mars?...
>
> They are from Mars because there are thousands upon thousands of 
> meteorites that possess fossils of mammals. Thousands of mammals could not 
> have lived in asteroids as they needed a complex ecosystem to sustain 
> them, such as water source, vegetation, other smaller animals, etc. So, 
> they must have originated from a planet, not asteroids. Mars, rather than 
> any other planet, is the only possible planet that originated those 
> fossils found in meteorites.?
>
> A good read with your Sunday cartoon funnys, just remember, in the other 
> hand you might have a hot cup of coffee, so dont laugh to hard.
>
> Shawn Alan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:09:42 -0500
> From: <cdtucson at cox.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Strewnfield it's official
> To: meteoritelist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <20100117120942.C0BDN.17797.imail at fed1rmwml43>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> List,
> Strewnfield  as a single word is now official. Sort of . see link;
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Strewnfield
>
> Carl
> --
> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> Meteoritemax
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:03:02 -0500
> From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing
> fossil BV/HC/RBC.... TOO FUNNY
> To: Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <e51421551001171003p4cf224f5pf402e03a080e06f6 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Hi Shawn and List,
>
> I would hope that buyers are too savvy to fall for this blatant
> forgery/scam.  But I guess you never know.... I have seen this same
> seller offer several similar bogus meteorite items.  I wonder how
> obvious a scam has to be before eBay will take action?  I can't
> imagine eBay letting this auction continue once it's brought to their
> attention.  Funny thing is, I tried to report this same item to eBay,
> but there was no way to select a proper explanation from their canned
> list of reasons.
>
> Best regards and clear skies,
>
> MikeG
>
> PS - I have micromounts of the Brooklyn Bridge available, contact me
> if interested. ;)
>
>
>
> On 1/17/10, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Helle Listies,
>>
>> This is the second time I have seen this item being auctioned on eBay
>>
>> "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing fossil BV/HC/RBC
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Martian-Iron-Meteorite-containing-fossil-BV-HC-RBC_W0QQitemZ130359697886QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e5a0b21de
>>
>>
>> I find it hilarious the lengths individuals go through to make a buck 
>> these
>> days. The best part of the eBay auction listing is where the individauil
>> states?...
>>
>> ?I recently found many meteorites actually contain fossils of Mars?...
>>
>> They are from Mars because there are thousands upon thousands of 
>> meteorites
>> that possess fossils of mammals. Thousands of mammals could not have 
>> lived
>> in asteroids as they needed a complex ecosystem to sustain them, such as
>> water source, vegetation, other smaller animals, etc. So, they must have
>> originated from a planet, not asteroids. Mars, rather than any other 
>> planet,
>> is the only possible planet that originated those fossils found in
>> meteorites.?
>>
>> A good read with your Sunday cartoon funnys, just remember, in the other
>> hand you might have a hot cup of coffee, so dont laugh to hard.
>>
>> Shawn Alan
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:11:16 EST
> From: starsandscopes at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing
> fossil BV/HC/RBC.......
> To: photophlow at yahoo.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <18b8f.5b2c89bb.3884acc4 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
>
>
> Hi Shawn,  I this is the same guy who has  been posting using many peoples
> micrographs, giving credit of course, (But that  is even worse!!!) his 
> views
> of animal and human bits he sees in meteorite  micrographs.
>
> One partial segment "The figure is imaged by Mr. Tom  Phillips, an e. ...
> Meteorite contains Martian blood vessel remains, magnified  to 16000X"
>
> How many zeros is that?  I am proud to take reflected  light images at
> magnifications up to 1600X as this is close to the limit of  optical 
> visible
> light microscopes.  the details are lost at levels much  higher because 
> the
> wave lengths of visible light are to big.  I guess 1600X  didn't sound
> impressive enough.
>
> Look at the links if you dare but watch  out, your Sunday cartoon funnys
> enjoyment just might turn to a  nightmare.
>
> Tom  Phillips
>
>
> http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-352371
>
> http://www.wretch.cc/blog/lin440315
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/browse_thread/thread/99332b3abbf2acec
>
>
> In  a message dated 1/17/2010 10:44:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> photophlow at yahoo.com writes:
> Helle Listies,
>
> This is the second time I  have seen this item being auctioned on eBay
>
> "Martian Iron Meteorite"  containing fossil BV/HC/RBC
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Martian-Iron-Meteorite-containing-fossil-BV-HC-RBC_W0QQi
> temZ130359697886QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e5a0b21de
>
>
> I  find it hilarious the lengths individuals go through to make a buck
> these days.  The best part of the eBay auction listing is where the 
> individauil
> states?...
>
> ?I recently found many meteorites actually contain fossils of  Mars?...
>
> They are from Mars because there are thousands upon thousands of
> meteorites that possess fossils of mammals. Thousands of mammals could not 
> have
> lived in asteroids as they needed a complex ecosystem to sustain them, 
> such as
> water source, vegetation, other smaller animals, etc. So, they must have
> originated from a planet, not asteroids. Mars, rather than any other 
> planet,
> is  the only possible planet that originated those fossils found in
> meteorites.?
>
> A good read with your Sunday cartoon funnys, just remember,  in the other
> hand you might have a hot cup of coffee, so dont laugh to  hard.
>
> Shawn  Alan
>
> ______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:17:17 -0500
> From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing
> fossil BV/HC/RBC.......
> To: starsandscopes at aol.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, photophlow at yahoo.com
> Message-ID:
> <e51421551001171017u53ed5745re58e837b3263d91b at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Hi Tom and List,
>
> Maybe we should connect this guy with the fake-lunar spammer - they
> would make a good couple. ;)
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
> On 1/17/10, starsandscopes at aol.com <starsandscopes at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Shawn,  I this is the same guy who has  been posting using many 
>> peoples
>> micrographs, giving credit of course, (But that  is even worse!!!) his 
>> views
>> of animal and human bits he sees in meteorite  micrographs.
>>
>> One partial segment "The figure is imaged by Mr. Tom  Phillips, an e. ...
>> Meteorite contains Martian blood vessel remains, magnified  to 16000X"
>>
>> How many zeros is that?  I am proud to take reflected  light images at
>> magnifications up to 1600X as this is close to the limit of  optical 
>> visible
>> light microscopes.  the details are lost at levels much  higher because 
>> the
>> wave lengths of visible light are to big.  I guess 1600X  didn't sound
>> impressive enough.
>>
>> Look at the links if you dare but watch  out, your Sunday cartoon funnys
>> enjoyment just might turn to a  nightmare.
>>
>> Tom  Phillips
>>
>>
>> http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-352371
>>
>> http://www.wretch.cc/blog/lin440315
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/browse_thread/thread/99332b3abbf2acec
>>
>>
>> In  a message dated 1/17/2010 10:44:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
>> photophlow at yahoo.com writes:
>> Helle Listies,
>>
>> This is the second time I  have seen this item being auctioned on eBay
>>
>> "Martian Iron Meteorite"  containing fossil BV/HC/RBC
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Martian-Iron-Meteorite-containing-fossil-BV-HC-RBC_W0QQi
>> temZ130359697886QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e5a0b21de
>>
>>
>> I  find it hilarious the lengths individuals go through to make a buck
>> these days.  The best part of the eBay auction listing is where the
>> individauil
>> states?...
>>
>> ?I recently found many meteorites actually contain fossils of  Mars?...
>>
>> They are from Mars because there are thousands upon thousands of
>> meteorites that possess fossils of mammals. Thousands of mammals could 
>> not
>> have
>> lived in asteroids as they needed a complex ecosystem to sustain them, 
>> such
>> as
>> water source, vegetation, other smaller animals, etc. So, they must have
>> originated from a planet, not asteroids. Mars, rather than any other 
>> planet,
>> is  the only possible planet that originated those fossils found in
>> meteorites.?
>>
>> A good read with your Sunday cartoon funnys, just remember,  in the other
>> hand you might have a hot cup of coffee, so dont laugh to  hard.
>>
>> Shawn  Alan
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:29:20 -0500
> From: "Dave Gheesling" <dave at fallingrocks.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday H. H. Nininger
> To: "'The Tricottet Collection'" <tricottetcoll at live.com>,
> "'MeteoriteList'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID: <A04931087F8548C5B4FB1AAC6CCA6D21 at meteorroom>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Great page Arnaud...a lot of good information!
> Dave
> www.fallingrocks.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of The
> Tricottet Collection
> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 11:14 AM
> To: MeteoriteList
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday H. H. Nininger
>
>
> Page on Nininger and the American Meteorite Laboratory:
> http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_exh_nininger.html
>
> ArnaudM
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:37:26 +0000
> From: <fallingfusion at wi.rr.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted - Zagami
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <20100117183726.VBCYU.182242.root at cdptpa-web15-z02>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I am looking for a small (<2g) slice or fragment of Zagami. Fusion crust 
> present is preferred.
>
> Please email me off-list with your offer.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:56:20 -0500
> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing
> fossil BV/HC/RBC.... TOO FUNNY
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <n1n6l5pi96mqqlrsuhr7ooa5tqeedsg61o at 4ax.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> This guy's web site was making so many Ed Conrad-like claims (including
> fossilized Haversian canals) that I thought maybe the guy had copied Ed's 
> site,
> but it looks like he is a genuine loon all on his own, possibly inspired 
> by Ed
> Conrad.  Witness a thread between this guy ("Fossil Lin") and one S. Ray
> DeRusse!
>
> http://www.natscience.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/geology/6235/Why-anatomists-hesitate-on-this-Mars-fossil
>
> Even an insane nutbag troll thinks that the Mars fossil guy is an insane 
> nutbag
> troll...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:01:44 -0500
> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing
> fossil BV/HC/RBC.... TOO FUNNY
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <cjn6l5tat4t1euknbmrk8igsu21eicdcin at 4ax.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Yep, he (Lin Liangtai) is connected to Ed Conrad:
>
> http://www.photokb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/photography/9795/TESTING-CONFIRMS-MAN-INDEED-AS-OLD-AS-COAL-Lin-Liangtai-of
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:14:37 EST
> From: starsandscopes at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Martian Iron Meteorite" containing
> fossil BV/HC/RBC....
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID: <19eda.40b8277c.3884bb9d at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
>
> Wow!   I guess if all of don't read  and BELIVE we are:
>
> "members of the entire Scientific  Establishment are totally corrupt -- 
> actually,
> members of a PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC  Establishment -- who have NOT sought truth
> about man's origin and ancestry but  have gone along with a COLLOSAL LIE 
> to
> protect their vested  interests."
>
> I'm flattered he likes my micrographs!
>
> I wanted to  say to the list.  I am capable of getting my self into enough
> hot water on  my own.  I have not communicated with these guys in any way.
> The  images are copy and paste out of my gallery.
>
> Tom
>
>
> In a message  dated 1/17/2010 11:57:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> cynapse at charter.net  writes:
> Yep, he (Lin Liangtai) is connected to Ed  Conrad:
>
> http://www.photokb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/photography/9795/TESTING-CONFIRMS-MAN-
> INDEED-AS-OLD-AS-COAL-Lin-Liangtai-of
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:16:15 +0000
> From: <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt?
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>, Ruben
> Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com>
> Message-ID:
> <20100117191615.1EZZO.90814.root at web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi Ruben, All
>
> As part of our tight schedule we intend to be in the Holbrook area on Wed 
> 3rd, So if that fits in with you or any others that would be great....
>
> probably staying somewhere in Flagstaff that night...nothing booked 
> though. Would have liked to have attended one of Geoff's Meteortie Men 
> viewings (one that eve) but it looks like we won't make them now we have 
> out tour around all booked up....wish we had known about all the exciting 
> extra events this year earlier on, then we would have booked our tour 
> around them....so frustrating when you have to book so far ahead.
>
> Anyone know what time the Meteorite Men viewing start's and where? Just 
> trying to make sure I have all options covered before we leave the UK. 
> Desperately trying to see if we can find ways of getting to one 
> them....Geoff?
>
> Also....anyone know any more about the timing of the ASU meteorite 
> exhibition on the 30th eg. is it just for the one evening or will the 
> meteorites still be available to see during the rest of the show?....and 
> anything about the proposed tour up to the telescope which was 
> suggested...quote..
> "There will be opportunities to take a *tour* with the Mt. Lemmon 
> SkyCenter on
> a different night to *see the telescope on Mt. Lemmon where TC3 was
> discovered* by Richard Kowalski.
>
> Has an evening been confirmed?
>
> I don't seem to be having any luck getting replies from Geoff and Dorothy.
>
> Sorry about all the questions via the list but many thanks to all those 
> who have replied with help, advice, maps etc.
>
> Looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of weeks time.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Graham Ensor, UK
>
>
>
> ---- Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have received 6-10 emails in the last week (from list members and
>> others) asking if I would host a group hunt during the Tucson show.
>> I'm not sure If I can since during this time I will be rushed - as
>> most of us will be. However, I just may have time if it were to happen
>> on Feb 3rd or 4th.
>>
>> So here's your chance. If you have always wanted to find a meteorite
>> but didn't know how or where, please contact me. I'll need to know
>> where you would like to hunt (Arizona strewnfields/Dry lakes etc...)
>> and if the above dates will work.
>>
>> Please don't hesitate to email me as I will need to make a decision
>> very soon. It doesn't matter If you are a new or old list member or
>> whether we have even met. If you want to join in, speak now. There are
>> not many chances to learn from an experienced hunter. The more people
>> that contact me the more likely I will put aside time to do this.
>>
>> So contact me and lets see if we can do this!
>>
>> Rock On!
>>
>> Ruben Garcia
>>
>> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
>> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
>> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
>> ______________________________________________
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>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:01:58 -0700 (MST)
> From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
> To: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
> Cc: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID:
> <d5b4b542aed1753b6ea408f02dfbb34a.squirrel at webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi Graham:
>
> Before we let you in to Arizona, a little geography lesson:
>
> Tucson, Arizona: University of Arizona (UA Wildcats)
>
> Tempe (Phoenix), Arizona: Arizona State University (ASU Sun Devils)
>
> Flagstaff, Arizona: Northern Arizona University (NAU Lumberjacks)
>
> If you mix them up, you might get strung up from the nearest tree!
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>> Hi Ruben, All
>>
>> As part of our tight schedule we intend to be in the Holbrook area on Wed
>> 3rd, So if that fits in with you or any others that would be great....
>>
>> probably staying somewhere in Flagstaff that night...nothing booked
>> though. Would have liked to have attended one of Geoff's Meteortie Men
>> viewings (one that eve) but it looks like we won't make them now we have
>> out tour around all booked up....wish we had known about all the exciting
>> extra events this year earlier on, then we would have booked our tour
>> around them....so frustrating when you have to book so far ahead.
>>
>> Anyone know what time the Meteorite Men viewing start's and where? Just
>> trying to make sure I have all options covered before we leave the UK.
>> Desperately trying to see if we can find ways of getting to one
>> them....Geoff?
>>
>> Also....anyone know any more about the timing of the ASU meteorite
>> exhibition on the 30th eg. is it just for the one evening or will the
>> meteorites still be available to see during the rest of the show?....and
>> anything about the proposed tour up to the telescope which was
>> suggested...quote..
>> "There will be opportunities to take a *tour* with the Mt. Lemmon
>> SkyCenter on
>> a different night to *see the telescope on Mt. Lemmon where TC3 was
>> discovered* by Richard Kowalski.
>>
>> Has an evening been confirmed?
>>
>> I don't seem to be having any luck getting replies from Geoff and 
>> Dorothy.
>>
>> Sorry about all the questions via the list but many thanks to all those
>> who have replied with help, advice, maps etc.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of weeks time.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Graham Ensor, UK
>>
>>
>>
>> ---- Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have received 6-10 emails in the last week (from list members and
>>> others) asking if I would host a group hunt during the Tucson show.
>>> I'm not sure If I can since during this time I will be rushed - as
>>> most of us will be. However, I just may have time if it were to happen
>>> on Feb 3rd or 4th.
>>>
>>> So here's your chance. If you have always wanted to find a meteorite
>>> but didn't know how or where, please contact me. I'll need to know
>>> where you would like to hunt (Arizona strewnfields/Dry lakes etc...)
>>> and if the above dates will work.
>>>
>>> Please don't hesitate to email me as I will need to make a decision
>>> very soon. It doesn't matter If you are a new or old list member or
>>> whether we have even met. If you want to join in, speak now. There are
>>> not many chances to learn from an experienced hunter. The more people
>>> that contact me the more likely I will put aside time to do this.
>>>
>>> So contact me and lets see if we can do this!
>>>
>>> Rock On!
>>>
>>> Ruben Garcia
>>>
>>> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
>>> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
>>> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> Visit the Archives at
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:19:03 +0000
> From: <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Group Meteorite Hunt? Warning!
> To: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu
> Cc: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Message-ID:
> <20100117211903.RLKEF.94720.root at web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Ooops....thanks for the warning...good job there are not that many tree's 
> about in the area's we are visiting!
>
> Cheers Larry....anyone at the show taking subscriptions for meteorite 
> magazine or have I still got to post the form via snail mail.
>
> Regards,
>
> Graham
>
> ---- lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu wrote:
>> Hi Graham:
>>
>> Before we let you in to Arizona, a little geography lesson:
>>
>> Tucson, Arizona: University of Arizona (UA Wildcats)
>>
>> Tempe (Phoenix), Arizona: Arizona State University (ASU Sun Devils)
>>
>> Flagstaff, Arizona: Northern Arizona University (NAU Lumberjacks)
>>
>> If you mix them up, you might get strung up from the nearest tree!
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi Ruben, All
>> >
>> > As part of our tight schedule we intend to be in the Holbrook area on 
>> > Wed
>> > 3rd, So if that fits in with you or any others that would be great....
>> >
>> > probably staying somewhere in Flagstaff that night...nothing booked
>> > though. Would have liked to have attended one of Geoff's Meteortie Men
>> > viewings (one that eve) but it looks like we won't make them now we 
>> > have
>> > out tour around all booked up....wish we had known about all the 
>> > exciting
>> > extra events this year earlier on, then we would have booked our tour
>> > around them....so frustrating when you have to book so far ahead.
>> >
>> > Anyone know what time the Meteorite Men viewing start's and where? Just
>> > trying to make sure I have all options covered before we leave the UK.
>> > Desperately trying to see if we can find ways of getting to one
>> > them....Geoff?
>> >
>> > Also....anyone know any more about the timing of the ASU meteorite
>> > exhibition on the 30th eg. is it just for the one evening or will the
>> > meteorites still be available to see during the rest of the 
>> > show?....and
>> > anything about the proposed tour up to the telescope which was
>> > suggested...quote..
>> > "There will be opportunities to take a *tour* with the Mt. Lemmon
>> > SkyCenter on
>> > a different night to *see the telescope on Mt. Lemmon where TC3 was
>> > discovered* by Richard Kowalski.
>> >
>> > Has an evening been confirmed?
>> >
>> > I don't seem to be having any luck getting replies from Geoff and 
>> > Dorothy.
>> >
>> > Sorry about all the questions via the list but many thanks to all those
>> > who have replied with help, advice, maps etc.
>> >
>> > Looking forward to seeing many of you in a couple of weeks time.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Graham Ensor, UK
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ---- Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I have received 6-10 emails in the last week (from list members and
>> >> others) asking if I would host a group hunt during the Tucson show.
>> >> I'm not sure If I can since during this time I will be rushed - as
>> >> most of us will be. However, I just may have time if it were to happen
>> >> on Feb 3rd or 4th.
>> >>
>> >> So here's your chance. If you have always wanted to find a meteorite
>> >> but didn't know how or where, please contact me. I'll need to know
>> >> where you would like to hunt (Arizona strewnfields/Dry lakes etc...)
>> >> and if the above dates will work.
>> >>
>> >> Please don't hesitate to email me as I will need to make a decision
>> >> very soon. It doesn't matter If you are a new or old list member or
>> >> whether we have even met. If you want to join in, speak now. There are
>> >> not many chances to learn from an experienced hunter. The more people
>> >> that contact me the more likely I will put aside time to do this.
>> >>
>> >> So contact me and lets see if we can do this!
>> >>
>> >> Rock On!
>> >>
>> >> Ruben Garcia
>> >>
>> >> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
>> >> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
>> >> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Mon Jan 18 21:17:56 2010
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:17:56 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting poll...
In-Reply-To: <007101ca98ad$49b2f6f0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
References: <007101ca98ad$49b2f6f0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <098480EB-F2CF-4678-8D46-2ACE9010DD02@gilanet.com>

They should at least make a couple of hundred dollars, at least.


On Jan 18, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Martin Altmann wrote:

> .before I go to bed.
>
> Hypothetically and very roughly:
>
> What should a person earn per year, I mean, what shall she or he  
> have for an
> income left after all his expenses,
> if he or she newly recovers per year by own means, let's say:
>
> 1 lunaite
> 1 Martian
> 10 HEDs
> 3 Rs
> 5 Carbonaceous - CMs, CKs, CRs
> 2 rare others, like ACAP, BRA, WIN or else.
> 1 relatively unique stone
>
> Let's say, that's already enough.
>
> Which salary should that person have in your opinion, compared to  
> usual
> occupation groups?
>
>
> Good Night!
> Martin
>
>
>
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From mikewren at gilanet.com  Mon Jan 18 20:13:03 2010
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:13:03 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:  Spectacular Meteorite Sale,
	Auctions and Collection Pieces with LOW Reserve!
Message-ID: <38A41956-A887-4AD2-8A8D-9A4E20258149@gilanet.com>




Hello,

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Thanks and Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham


From geoking at notkin.net  Tue Jan 19 01:05:21 2010
From: geoking at notkin.net (Notkin)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:05:21 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" Screening Party - Tucson, Wednesday
Message-ID: <88436589-1EDF-470F-81DC-C9E013E4AA95@notkin.net>

Dear Listees:

A warm invitation to those of you in and around Tucson to join us this  
Wednesday at a special premiere party for "Meteorite Men" the series,  
Episode One. By special arrangement with Tucson's most stylish new club:

SKY BAR
536 North Fourth Avenue
Right next to the famous Brooklyn Pizza Company

Cocktails and socializing 6 pm with live music
Complimentary New York pizza served at 6:30 pm
Screening 7 pm sharp
8 pm on, live music

Full cash bar, giant widescreen TV, and the best pizza in town!

Map: http://ow.ly/Y3an

Invite: http://meteoritemen.com/events/meteorite-men-premiere.htm


We will be holding additional screenings of the new episode premieres  
on January 27, February 3, February 10, and February 17 at the same  
venue, and gem show visitors are enthusiastically invited to attend.

Sky Bar is a large and elegant venue with an astronomy theme, a  
telescope on the roof, and it's solar powered too; our new favorite  
place in town!

Hope to see some of you there. And I know I owe a lot of you emails.  
We've been just a little busy lately, sorry  : )


With best wishes,

Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
http://science.discovery.com/tv/meteorite-men
www.meteoritemen.com


From lintonius at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 19 01:54:39 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:54:39 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Mad Anne Ridge" meteorite???
References: <29466.4647.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com><EBA6959115B24510A468C553D97BFB95@D190TH71><e51421551001181637j1b4efd67m61bb16c79d185d21@mail.gmail.com>
	<93aaac891001181734g5d70e9d7k5bd38d2ca9a6a86f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6519C7DC1874738B0165C72DDDE473B@D190TH71>

Thanks Jason.
The material I saw listed Allegeny County in Virginia/West Virginia.
Sounds like the same character though. Interesting tales.
http://www.ferrum.edu/applit/bibs/tales/MadAnn.htm
Regardless, the MetBull shows nothing after 1950 in either state.
I'm curious to learn where this guy got his info.
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Mad Anne Ridge" meteorite???


>I checked out the ridge - the only references I found to a "Mad Anne's
> Ridge" were somewhere in Allegany County, NY, but the only fall within
> New York that happened within a few decades of the 1960's was the
> Schenectady meteorite, which fell *nowhere* near Allegany County - or
> the town of Allegany (not in said county).  And that stone fell in
> 1968.
>
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=york&sfor=places&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=United+States&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normal%20table&code=23458
>
> But there's a pretty amusing story as to how the ridge got its name here:
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=4FtIAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=%22Mad+Anne's+Ridge%22+pioneer+days+in+alleghany+county&source=bl&ots=RArBojgFNW&sig=2oLGRSNw5Uz9qLrrUt7649QhlgU&hl=en&ei=cgpVS__oNoLctgO60syFCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Mad%20Anne's%20Ridge%22%20pioneer%20days%20in%20alleghany%20county&f=false
>
> Good old pioneer tales...
> So either it's a myth or it's unreported.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Linton and List,
>>
>> Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites doesn't contain any entry on that name
>> or variation of that name.
>>
>> Best regards and clear skies,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>> On 1/18/10, Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Greetings listoids,
>>> Someone on another forum (Astromart) asked about this alleged meteorite,
>>> supposed to have fallen in the early '60's. I've never heard of it, but 
>>> that
>>> doesn't mean much. The MetBull shows no search results though, and that
>>> carries a bit more weight. Has anybody heard this name before, or is 
>>> this
>>> guy out to lunch?
>>> Linton
>>>
>>> I'm fairly certain this has nothing to do with our beloved friend in
>>> Colorado. ;^)
>>>
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From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 02:43:07 2010
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:43:07 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
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	<93aaac891001181357w7dc3fcb0h8a7a1e085062e18f@mail.gmail.com>
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Martin,
Sometimes I just can't believe the ways you'll skew things to justify
dealers' actions.

> Tell me examples for misrepresented coordinates from Oman!

I've just had some off-list conversations with *several* prominent
list-members, all of whom agreed that while not all Omani coordinates
are false (and most are probably real), some teams are supplying false
data.
That is generally accepted fact.

> Man, from the beginning on the Russians and the Germans in Oman meticulously
> documented their finds. With coordinates, with in situ photos, with
> describing the properties of the surrounding ground.. some of them were
> examined and trained geologists from one of the most reputable meteorite
> institutes of the World.

Yeah, they did good work, which isn't to say that everyone is doing
the same thing today.

> Yah I remember, in the very early times, they didn't made public the
> coordinates of their planetaries. But only for a very short period.
> And in consequence hunters from many countries, including the only official
> team there, found so many more stones of their early finds, in the
> strewnfields they had recovered and disclosed to everyone.

Right.  They did that.  People don't nowadays.  If you haven't learned
that from chatting with dealers, I don't know what to tell you.  You
should probably get out more.

> Make your homework, check the Dhofar and SaU numbers, the lunars and the
> Martians, who all found some and when.

Yeah, I know.  Many of them are correct.  Some aren't.  You seem to
think that I'm saying that every Oman coordinate is a lie, and, to be
frank, I know that's far from the truth, and have said as much to
others in private emails.

> I don't allow you to discredit the incredibly important work, these true
> pioneers did for me, for science, for you and for all of us.

What they did is great, but there are a number of dealers going there
now who in some cases lie or withhold coordinates, especially for rare
finds.
I know this is true; it's a fact.  Ask around.

> The only case I remember is the new Dhofar-Moon - there the finders seem to
> be simply afraid to give more information, because of the Suisse-Omani
> terror of the recent years.

Maaaybe.  But Oman's hardly giong to send police over to reclaim rocks
(as though the US would allow such a thing), and the coordinates that
I've seen that are known to be incorrect still place the finds within
the country.
So, no.

> What is a meteorite worth, for science, when it has no find data.
>
> Go and ask, what USA, what China, what Japan is spending all in all
> including costs for infrastructure and personnel to find meteorites in
> Antarctica. We are speaking of hundreds of millions of dollars.
> For meteorites, all having lost their fall data, because they were
> transported by ice movement.
> Seems, that they do have a certain value.

Yes, but for different reasons.  Those finds tell us much more for a
number of reasons - namely that they've been kept in a fairly arid
environment, and have generally suffered little organic contamination.

And you have to see the real flaw in your argument - you're saying
that meteorites are important scientifically regardless of where they
fall.  I agree with that.

But you're merely downplaying the importance of information such as
where they were found, etc, without even justifying it.
Just because they're important for what they contain doesn't mean that
their fall location and distribution isn't important as well -
especially for finding more of the rare stones, even *if,* as you seem
to suggest, the place where a meteorite falls is irrelevant.

> Every Moroccan a GPS...
> Make again your homework. How many tons were found in total in Oman, in how
> many man-hours? 6 tons in 10 years, naturally most of them weathered
> ordinary chondrites (where you would pull a face, if you should pay even
> only 200$ a kilo, classified, well understood).

I'm not even sure at what you're getting at here.  You seem to be
saying that find locations are irrelevant, it's common material, it
sells for too little money, and thus taking coordinates wouldn't be
worth it.

I disagree.

We have a hell of a lot of those apparently revolting meteorites boxed
away, waiting for a day when a lab might be more interested in working
on them.  But you're getting sidetracked.  This has nothing to do with
whether or not finds should be GPS'ed, etc.  All you've told me is
that a one kilogram stone could buy a decent GPS unit.

> Make your homework. How many different meteorites do we have from Antarctica
> after a third of a century hunting and spending billions of USD?
> 7000.
> And - naturally - most of them ordinary chondrites.

Your point?

> Alone with NWA we are in less than 9 years at number 6000.

So what you're saying is that it would take three times as long for
the meteorites to be recovered with adequate find data.
Ok, so:
1) It's possible.
2) Is there any reason not to take the time to do it right?  This
would allow for the recording of thousands of strewnfields, which are
instead lost forever.

> And, do your homework, what do you find in the Bulletins?
> Incredibly disproportionately highly more scientifically interesting stuff
> than weathered OCs.
> The bulk in Sahara are like everywhere else on Earth the weathered OCs.
> Those aren't classified, because no scientist wants to work on such material
> and no institute nor collector wants to have them.

Well, there are two more flaws in your reasoning here.  Firstly, while
they may not be as interesting scientifically, strewnfield data could
still be gathered - if anything, I think this makes your point even
less valid.  What they lack in pertinent chemical and structural data
doesn't change the fact that we could get additional information about
meteorite fall rates, and the density of finds in arid environments,
never mind actually understanding the pairing, which, with ordinary
chondrites, is now information that is simply lost forever.

Oh, and if no one wanted them, they'd be free.  Good luck finding them
for under ~$100/kg, even for the "ugliest" stones.

> In the Bulletins you see from Sahara only the tip of the iceberg, the best
> of the best.

First-off, that's just not true.  The majority of NWA's are still
ordinary chondrites.  Yes there's a far disproportional number of
rarer meteorites, but OC's are still prevalent.

And again, this is irrelevant.  Great, there are many rare meteorites.
 You're still losing practically all of the find data for each stone.
Maybe there's 100kg more of NWA 2737 out there, but we'll never know
because that information is now lost and the nomads who found it
weren't told it was a meteorite until years later.

> The people of Maghreb have to pick up just as well as any other hunters
> elsewhere too their hundred true meteorites until they hold a for you boring
> eucrite in their hand.

And I've found over a hundred meteorites here in California and have
documented every single chondrite meticulously - and we've turned up a
few achondrites in the mix.
Thanks to the way we do things, we might be able to find more of them.
 Of course, what you're saying is that it would be better for us to
simply pick them up and keep moving, finding more, because science
would benefit less.  Hell, we should probably just leave all of the
worthless chondrites we find on the ground because they're useless
shit.

That seems to be what you're getting at.

> Do you really think, that there only 10 or 20 clowns are stumbling through
> half a continent to collect meteorites and that would be NWA? Man - you have
> not the slightest idea what for dimensions of time, distances and work it
> needs, that you get that rare stuff from Morocco delivered on your desk for
> a pocket money.

And you seem to have no conception of the amount of scientific data
that is now LOST and will NEVER be retrieved.
Thanks to you, me, and all of the other people involved in this business.
You can try to justify it by saying that it would take longer to do it
well, but honestly...thirty more years in the desert wouldn't change
most meteorites much.  It's a moot point.

> And they have no coordinates. Bravo.
> Any institute here, any scientist there, who is willing to pay 250.000$ a
> gram for a lunar? Anyone out there, who likes to pay 1500$ instead of 30$
> for an Acapulcoite? Anyone from ANSMET there - man, in that few years, we
> two found so many CKs and Rs like the Antarctic teams would need more than a
> decade to find, and for all of them together we asked a price, just
> sufficient to pay the flight for one or two single scientists to Antarctica
> and back.
> The flights only.

You're just saying the same thing again and again...and again.  Yes, I
know that the meteorites found still have scientific value.
No one's debating that.
Well, you are.
But that's not my point.  My point is that a vast amount of data *is*
being lost, and you've yet to say ANYTHING that contradicts that
statement.


> Yah strewnfields, weathering, science.. - do it, instead of complaining.

I do.  Here.  In California.  We've found over a hundred and fifty
meteorites on a single lakebed that was "searched out," representing
at least six or seven distinct falls (and I'm talking about an area
that's less than a square mile).
We found an Acapulcoite on another lakebed where we were told by
seasoned hunters that there wasn't much left to find.
And we've found a few sites of our own to hunt, and have been going at
them just as thoroughly.

But...this is a cop out.  You're not affirming whether or not what is
being done is right or wrong.  You're just asking me what I'm doing to
make it better.

And there's really nothing I can do.  I have school, work, and a life
here, and I'm sorry, but I can't leave it.
Even if I could, I'm one hunter.  That's a pretty damn big desert.
I'd be leaving my life here to provide science with a mere drop of
information in an otherwise empty desert.  The way business is being
conducted simply means that regardless of whether or not teams went to
hunt there, undocumented meteorites would still stream out of NWA in
numbers likely comparable to what they've been in past years.

But that doesn't mean that we as a community haven't simply erased a
vast amount of scientific knowledge that we *could* have preserved.

I'm not saying that buying NWA meteorites is wrong or that they're
worthless.  I'm just saying that we as a collecting, dealing
community, have helped to contribute to a vast gap in scientific
knowledge that we could have preserved had we gone about things in the
correct way.

And there's really nothing you can say to argue with that.

> Where are the official teams in Sahara? I know of not a single official
> expedition there. Where are they? There are enough meteorites left there to
> be discovered and to do all kind of field work on them.

Yeah, it's cheaper to rely on Moroccan labor to recover the stones for you.
I know.
It sucks.
It's economically not worthwhile to go and find them on your own when
you can buy them for $100/kg in Morocco while sipping tea in someone's
house.
And scientists are more content to study the rocks themselves, you
know that.  With the vast influx of material coming in from NWA,
they've got enough on their plates already.
Which isn't to say that it wouldn't have been better for find
information to be received, but that's the price of convenience.
Those folks have Antarctica, and we have the NWA to plunder.  They
spend their time hunting at the South Pole, and we take from NWA.

> Yah, they do have no coordinates.
> But for that, science and you get the stuff at a minute fraction of the
> costs of all the 200 years before and at a fraction of a fraction of a
> fraction if all these stones had to be found financed by public money with
> official expeditions. And you get such a broad choice, stones where 10, 15
> years nobody could even imagine, that they would exist at all.

It's not all about speed.  You don't seem to understand that a
scientist could spend a lifetime working on a thin section of
Semarkona, analyzing individual grains and thus shedding light on the
early solar system.  There's more material, NWA excluded, than all of
today's scientists could possibly exhaust in their lifetimes.
It would have been better if every stone were documented, etc.  The
meteorites aren't going anywhere.  And while we have, do, and will
continue to learn from these nameless stones, some of the knowledge we
could have gained is lost.

> Man, Jason, remember EUROMET?
> Check it out, they had annual expenses for personnel only, without that
> anyone even had set a foot over the doorstep of his bureau, of 8.5 millions
> ECU. ?ECU was the currency unit before EURO was introduced.
> Take additional inflation,
> They spent hence 20 millions of USD PER YEAR only for personnel, without
> devices, without equipment, without any expedition yet.
> Yaaabbayabbayabba - yes, they did also research, well understood.

BS.  I did my own research.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:jhQ3IDMLruEJ:www.mna.it/english/Publications/TAP/TA_pdfs/Volume_01/TA_01_01_229_Mellini.pdf+euromet+meteorite&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

Yeah, it costs that much -- but that's the combined cost of running 50
laboratories and paying 220 scientists.  That says NOTHING about how
much it costs to find a meteorite.  Moot point.

> But what can you buy for 20 millions? Jason, there do not exist enough
> lunaites on Earth, that you could spend 20 millions!
> If you buy all Eucrites, all Howardites, all Diogenites found ever over the
> whole planet and from all times (without of course the horribly expensive
> Antarctic finds) - you still will have left over a lot of that sum.
> Make a Bessey deal like in former times. 25$/kg for unclassified W3 OCs.
> But then you would have to give Dean a hint, wherefrom Dean should take 800
> tons of OCs, if the Catalogue lists only 700 tons of meteorites in history
> and on Earth and less than 40 tons are stones and the rest irons.

As said, moot point.  You're looking at the cost of running
experiments, and, well, every expense of 220 scientists working in
state of the art laboratories.  The physics lab I'm looking at working
in here has a budget of several million dollars, and it all goes into
materials and studies/testing.  Either you don't understand how costly
it really is to study meteorites, you don't know how much it costs for
a flight to Morocco or Australia, or you're just spewing complete crap
in the hope that enough of it sticks to make me look wrong.  I think I
know which of those is the truth.

> And - EUROMET was going in Sahara, yippieh, and they came back with
> absolutely empty hands. Wrong hunting area? I doubt. It was the
> Kem-Kem-region - exactly that region, where a little later the first
> hundredweights of meteorites were found by locals, marking the beginning of
> NWA.

Ok, here are a few more problems with your reasoning.
1) Irrelevant.  If they were in the right place and didn't find
anything, well, if you've ever hunted for meteorites, you would know
that you can spend a week in the right place finding nothing, and find
ten stones the next day.
2) What's to say they were in the right place.
3) You're looking at a bunch of scientists.  It took us a while to
find our first meteorite as well.
4) *If* they were in the right place, hundreds of kilograms of
meteorites had already been removed.
That would probably make remaining pieces much harder to find,
especially since they would have had no way to know if they were in
the right place or not because, guess what -- no coordinates.

> And you dare to complain about missing coordinates and you are maundering
> about shabby tricks of greedy hunters and dealers.

Hey, I'm just as guilty.  Just pointing out that things could have
been run better from a scientific point of view, and not a single word
you've yet said has contradicted that notion in any way.

> Welcome, spend some GPS-devices. I suggest you pay the first 1000 units.

It doesn't make sense for any single person to foot the cost, and you
know it.  Ideally, five or ten years ago, some of the few dealers
dealing with Moroccans at the time could have sold or traded locals
GPS units for meteorites, and in turn, agreed to pay them a more for
stones with coordinates in the future.

But, as has been said, that's just not in dealers' interests.

> Gosh, you have really no idea. Please, 3/4 or more of all those persons,
> you'd call a dealer are doing it for fun and never sat a foot into Sahara,
> they buy their stones on shows or from photos.

Maybe.  I know that two of the folks who contacted me off-list have
been to Oman, but that's another red herring.  You don't need to go to
NWA to understand that it doesn't take that much work or money to
collect adequate find data, at least on top of the amount of time and
money it takes to find a meteorite in the first place.  You take the
GPS and hit "mark waypoint" and take a piece of tape with a number
written on it and stick it to the stone.  Not hard.
It would take a few hundred GPS units, though - at a cost of probably
$50k or so.
- A drop in the bucket when you look at the net worth of the
meteorites that have come out of NWA in the past decade.

> Wherefrom the heck shall they know, how much paired material is around?
> Especially if it takes often up to 2 years until a number is published in
> the Bulletin? Man, take a look to the numbers, sometimes it takes many
> years, until an additional stone surfaces. Don't you even know famous NWA
> 011 - there are now pairings close to the 5000er numbers. Yeeeeeears
> inbetween. Or NWA 722 up to Anoual and even later!!

Ok.  It would take a few years.  The data would still be there and not
lost.  Yes.  True.
And I think that would be better than no data at all.
You're really not much of a scientist, are you?

> And do me a favour and show me the multimillionaires, who made their fortune
> with meteorites, no matter if they used shady tricks or not to betray you.
> I know only one, unfortunately a fictitious one: William Barriere from the
> Anti-dealer propaganda comic strips from Canada.

Never heard of him, but...again, you're just taking everything I said
to the absolute extreme.
No one made millions of dollars overnight, but many dealers exploited
the system to obtain hundreds of kilograms of undocumented stones
(myself included), picked out the rare material, and sold it to make a
profit.
If documentation were actually going on, and stones were coming out of
NWA, at, say, 1/10 the rate they did (there's no reason for such a
substantial decrease in rates, but let's suppose....), either prices
would have been ten times what they were or dealers would have made
less money.

That's simple math, and I really hope you understand this, because I
don't know how much more clear I can make it.

> Don't take my harshness too personally, had some bad days,
> But I think I can say, we all are soooo sick and tired from that hunter- and
> dealer-bashing.

It's not hunter-dealer bashing.  It's saying you, and I, and everyone
else screwed up from a scientific point of view.
And that's true.  We lost information because we wanted results fast.
That's bad science.

> Man, they make the dirty work,
> that work, nobody else is willing to do or able to do, neither the public
> willing nor able to pay. Blood, sweat and tears. And they are horribly
> underpaid, seen the performance they deliver day by day and the prices
> having been paid the 200 years before the NWA-rush.

Well I'm glad to hear that you sympathize with them and are now
offering to pay them $1/g for every find they make - more for rare
material.  Pay them well, Martin.  They deserve it.

> The stats and the history prooves that all more than clearly.
> Get scientific, Jason.

All stats and history say is that we could have retrieved the data
that has now been lost if we'd stopped simply buying as meteorites as
possible for as low a price as possible in the hopes of finding rare
ones in the mix and selling those for a profit.

> They do it for science, they do it for the collectors, they do it for you
> and they do it for their enthusiasm, because they are crazy minds.

The Moroccans?  They're not doing it for the science, they're doing it
for the money.  And the collectors (myself included) are the people
with a bit of that to trade for a rock, so I guess they're out there
for me, too, yeah.  But while a few of them may be interested in the
science of it,that's just a tad romantic.  You might as well say that
Chinese coal-miners are down there in the mines because they want to
make sure that Los Angeles gets its power.  And while that's
indirectly true, you're taking things a bit far.
Don't get me wrong - I know of several Moroccan dealers who are very
into the science of it, at least as much as the average list-member,
and maybe more.  But...hell, many, if not most hunters in Europe and
the US aren't really hunting for the science of it either.  Sure they
hope to find a rare stone, but it's not because they want to further
our knowledge of the solar system.  They want to make money, and
generally, be recognized for their achievement.  You know that's true.

> They delivered the bulk of all meteorites on Earth, the very recent years in
> volumes and in a diversity, nobody could have imagined even only 10 years
> before,

Still more from Antarctica.  Give it a year or so and you'll be right,
but that's not true as of right now.
I guess you might be right if you take into account common chondrites
sitting in boxes and bins that will likely never get classified, but
those are lost to science, so I don't see how you could reasonably
include them in your estimate.

> and they drove the prices underground seen the last 200 years, making
> meteorites available to each and every scientist and collector, and to
> everybody of good will, saving the public and science millions, millions and
> millions of funds, which are urgently needed elsewhere in meteoritic
> research.

Which isn't to say that the same things wouldn't have happened if they
hadn't been taking coordinates, and the process had taken maybe ten,
twenty, fifty, or a hundred more years.  It's not like the meteorites
would disappear - but the find information is *gone.*

> And therefore we all are more than fed up with this perseverative
> reproaches, which really ignorant people like so much to heap on the
> dealers, the hunters, the collectors.

I'm included in that lot, don't worry.  I know my place.
But, as a scientist, I'm pointing out that we acted hastily and in so
doing, lost a hell of a lot of valuable information.
And that's true.  And I've said it ten bloody times.
This is getting frustrating.

> When will they do their homework, when will they get mature...
> We're writing the year 2010.
> Yaha, Ward, Nininger, Zeitschel... yes, they were disregarded as wretches
> too. Haven't we learned since?

Well, I don't know.  Ward and Nininger carefully noted where each of
their finds were made.  Zeitschel, I don't know...but we're all really
to blame for perpetuating this continued loss of scientific
information.

> Jason, check it out, where would we be today without the private sector,
> which you blame, to act so unscientifically.
> What for and how many meteorites would we have in the institutes and museums
> at all without them?

Fewer, but again.  The meteorites wouldn't disappear, and they're a
limited resource.  There's a finite amount of information there, and
we lost a substantial portion of it.  Yes, fewer meteorites would be
available to science, but what I'm saying os that even if it took 100
more years, in the end, we would have more information.  We've
destroyed a large part of it, and we can't get it back.  Yep, saying
it again.  Go figure.

> How many publications we would have without them?
> How many billions more would we have had to spend to get the same material?
> What for meteorites at all would be there.

Probably just as many.  It's not like we would have run out of things
to study in known meteorites, and over time, we would have more
information to add to what we have today.  It would simply take
longer.

You don't seem to understand that there aren't an unlimited number of
meteorites in the world, and that when data is lost, it's lost for
good.

When you understand that, you will be able to comprehend what I'm saying.
Until then, there's really nothing I can say to you regarding this
issue that will make any sense.

> What would we do know without them about the solar system, about planetary
> bodies and their formation. About the origin of the sun, the age and the
> composition of the Earth. About the formation of planets around other stars.
> About the possibility of life in space
> and finally about ourselves?

Maybe a little bit less, but in time we would *undoubtedly* come to
know more, because we wold ultimately have more meteorites to work
with and better distribution information, which might tell us other
things.
If we had taken longer to recover the meteorites, yes, we would have
fewer of them now, but...they're not going anywhere.

Whether I go to a lakebed to hunt tomorrow or ten years from now, that
meteorite will still be there.  But if I go tomorrow and pick it up
without taking coordinates, in ten years, I won't know where to go to
find more, and no one will know where it was found.  That's what I'm
saying.
And we could have done better as a community to keep that loss of
information from happening many thousands of times over.  And you, and
I, and everyone else, didn't.  That's all I'm saying.  I'm not
pointing my finger at anyone - or at least if I am, it's pointed at
me, too.  And I know my reasoning is pretty sound, and that you're
entire tirade was misdirect, misinformed, and generally misleading.
So...I'm content with leaving things here.


> Think well, Jason,
> and then be happy and grateful,
> that there are still persons willing to do that job.

I'd ask the same of you in the future.  And perhaps you, as a dealer,
will pay those hard workers the money they deserve for the specimens
they bring you, since you're apparently underpaying them at the
moment.

Jason


>
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason
> Utas
> Gesendet: Montag, 18. Januar 2010 22:57
> An: Greg Catterton; Meteorite-list
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
>
> Hello Greg, All,
>
> This brings up a valid point - when total known weights have increased
> since initial reporting, I believe that dealers should be obligated to
> change their numbers. ?Otherwise they are *lying* about what they're
> selling. ?The total known weight of Taza is not 75 kilograms, the
> total known weight of Franconia is not 100 kilograms, and we all know
> there's more of a few NWA's like 3118 and 2086 than any one person
> could shake a stick at. ?The only time anyone actually seems to keep
> any sort of track of a new meteorite's whereabouts *to any degree* is
> when it's a planetary meteorite - otherwise pairings tend to be
> ignored.
> But this makes sense - think about it from a dealer's perspective.
> Would you want to list the tkw of a stone you're selling as "unknown,
>> than 20 kilograms," or would you prefer it to be the "official" ~700
> grams.
> It makes sense for the sellers to use the outdated information, and
> they've been able to get away with it until now, not that things are
> going to change any time soon.
>
> This situation is wholly unscientific, and while we've been calling it
> a meteorite "rush" for a while, in the end, we dealers and collectors
> are the ones who made it financially viable for the locals to start
> implementing this kind of a recovery process in which almost all find
> data is lost (though there have been plenty of other instances of
> unscientific behavior in the field - e.g. the Nova stones - also due
> to a dealer looking to maximize profits - and the "Sahara XXxxx"
> stones, for which coordinates have still yet to be released - and I'm
> thinking they likely never will be). ?Then, of course, you have the
> issue with finders misreporting coordinates for rare finds in Oman,
> blatantly lying to the scientific community about where they have
> found their stones. ?It's one thing to say that you won't give the
> coordinates up; it's another entirely to lie. ?Yes, I understand why
> they're doing it, but...damn. ?If you lie, you should lose credibility
> -- and no one here seems to care.
>
> I suppose the bottom line is that we're dealing with an unregulated
> system in which no one has any reason to publish any such data.
> There's just no reason to, so....yeah. ?Ideally, every stone would be
> GPS'ed, photographed in-situ, and the truth would be told, but that
> would take for more time and money than most people apparently want to
> put into it. ?And people would get screwed by competitors stealing
> their hard-earned data, robbing their strewn-fields. ?Hell, the
> Moroccans now have the funds to buy their own GPS' anyways. ?I'd say
> there's a reason they likely don't buy them and use them; they
> probably want to keep their find locations a secret as well.
>
> And then everyone gets pissed when an American hunter keeps a fall
> location a secret because he wants to document every piece well.
>
> Go figure.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
>
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From info at meteorites.com.au  Tue Jan 19 02:43:16 2010
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:43:16 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] A case not only for Bob
In-Reply-To: <002f01ca9863$3e7b4250$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
References: <002f01ca9863$3e7b4250$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <5C81DC0194014BF387613920F53A1435@JeffPC>

Hi Martin and all,

Obviously the Australian Federal laws are bothersome to collectors and 
restrict the amount of material found. No one would or could question that. 
But unfortunately there is a slight flaw in your plan. Even if the 
Australian Federal laws were abolished, there are still the separate state 
laws which are the main problem... not the common Federal laws that everyone 
is familiar with. 90% of Australia's prime meteorite finding locations are 
covered by these state laws which rule that any meteorite found (whether on 
Crown or private land) belongs to the state. So you would first need to 
change all the State laws and then the Australian Federal laws before being 
able to export.

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:25 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] A case not only for Bob


> Hello list,
>
> just recovered by a member of the German meteorite forum:
>
> http://kuerzer.de/diletto
>
>
> Don't we get finally sick and tired with that Australian idiocy, do we?
>
> Aren't there any persons, researchers, meteorite people with reason to be
> found on that continent, who feel the same pain how meteoritics is getting
> fully destroyed there?
>
> In the German meteorite forum we painted a graph for the find rates in
> Australia, USA ect.
>
> In Australia from 1900 until ca 1960 the find rates were relatively 
> constant
> and higher than in the 19th century. Then a promising ascent followed 
> until
> the end of the 1980ies (while in USA the find rate dropped a little bit),
> and then a real boost happened, wherefore not only Bevan's expedition in
> 1991, Euromet 1992 and 1994 were responsible.
>
> 1995 then - and it is really concussive - we observe the COMPLETE 
> breakdown
> of the Australian find rates, not only to the level of the 1960ies, not 
> down
> to the level of the 1900-1950, but down to the level of the 1800ier years!
> And that lasts until today.
>
> WHILE PARALLELY the find rates in the U.S. - which have less suitable
> hunting grounds but which aren't punished by such paranoid meteorite laws
> like Australia - exploded to a level like Australia had in his very best 
> few
> years, shortly before the Australian meteorite laws came finally into 
> force.
>
> I can't help myself - why nobody in Australia of the meteorite world is
> taking action to abolish these laws, which led to that disaster?
>
> It must be in the very best interest of every Australian meteoricist,
> that Australia has to turn back from ZERO to find rates, like they are
> common in each desert country.
>
> Is there any initiative taken by you, the Australian scientists, to modify
> the unhandy laws?
>
> I mean, if there are almost no meteorites found there, less than 1 per 
> year,
> neither official expeditions are undertaken, wouldn't there be a danger,
> that some meteorite departments could be simply closed down?
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Tue Jan 19 05:58:27 2010
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:58:27 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Pairing Discussions
In-Reply-To: <000701ca98b8$de3f8670$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2>
References: <754943.87875.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<000701ca98b8$de3f8670$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2>
Message-ID: <201001191058.o0JAw5CX013899@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi John,

NWA 4024 is indeed a nice example of the 
discrepancy between Met. Bull. data and the 
amount of stuff circulating on the market.

This is perfectly illustrated if you compare the 
Met. Bull. write up regarding NWA 4024 an look at 
the photos included at the end of the same report.
There are some 15 pieces illustrated, coming from 
various sources. Although weights are not 
mentioned, a rough evaluation of the volume of 
the pieces (comparison with the scale cubes) 
leads to evaluate that the total weight of the 
illustrated pieces should largely overstep 100 g, probably more.
Not mentioning that the pieces pictured probably 
represent only a small fraction of what is really 
available as 'NWA 4024" in collections.

I have in collection a 4.43 g end section (got from Hanno Strufe).
But my own write up states that Mike Farmer 
reported at the time (2006) that the tkw was at least 745 grams.
He explicitly explained this discrepancy by the 
following argumentive comment: "first piece sold, 
more pieces come out", which is, as we know, not really a surprise.

Nothing is mentioned officially about pairings 
and I don't know whether this meteorite is also 
being sold under another NWA N? but I guess the 
pics in the Met. Bull. suggest that all the 15 pieces were called "NWA 4024".

The tkw of a meteorite is indeed rarely updated 
officially (by the Nom Com and thus reported in 
the Met. Bulls.) probably because nobody writes 
them to update the old tkw. I agree that the Nom 
Com should not be blamed for that.

As a typical example (among many others) the 
official tkw reported in Met. Bull. for Chiang 
Khan is still 367 grams, while everybody now agrees that it is of several kg.
When helping Mike Jensen to update the 2008 
edition of  "Meteorites from A to Z", I reported 
him several such examples and, in some obvious 
cases, the actual tkw was updated (with, as 
reference: "numerous sources including internet, 
personal communications and professional experience".
Needless to say that this updating is not 
official because not (yet ?) agreed by the Nom. Com.
For the cited example of Chiang Khan, we agreed 
to the put, as tkw, 75+ at 7.0+ kg, which is more 
realistic regarding the present market, although 
not official as I agree only the Met. Bull. (Nom. 
Com.) should act as official reference.

There is some pertinent work needed here and I am 
convinced many of us from the List and elsewhere 
can help in trying to provide more correct figures to the Nom. Com.

Zelimir


At 04:38 19/01/2010, John.L.Cabassi wrote:
>G'Day List
>This has been a very interesting read. Quite some time ago, I brought up
>the question about NWA 4024, which apparently on the card that
>accompanied it and the Met Bull stated a TKW of 38.1g.  But there's
>definitely alot more out there ??? Is there pairing going on here?
>
>http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa&sfor=names&ants=&falls
>=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&cat
>eg=Winonaites&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normaltable&code=34296
>
>
>And now for another, I purchased this off of Tom some time back. NWA
>231, the met bull lists is as being provisional, it has yet to be
>classified. The main mass was 1054g. What I have is 1048g, 6 grams are
>missing; I think due to polishing a window. But I confirmed with Michael
>C.  and it was confirmed. The label on the rock states "NWA 231" so
>everything checks out. But it's yet to be classified. I have not found
>the time to go ahead with this, but I was curious that NWA numbers were
>handed out prior to being classified.
>
>http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa+231&sfor=names&ants=&f
>alls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name
>&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normaltable&code=31470
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Cheers
>John
>IMCA # 2125
>
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From aknoefel at minorplanets.de  Tue Jan 19 06:38:51 2010
From: aknoefel at minorplanets.de (=?iso-8859-1?q?=41=6e=64=72=e9=20=4b=6e=f6=66=65=6c?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:38:51 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Pairing Discussions
Message-ID: <201001191138.o0JBcp9v000668@post.webmailer.de>

Hello Zelimir

> This is perfectly illustrated if you compare the 
> Met. Bull. write up regarding NWA 4024 an look at 
> the photos included at the end of the same report.
> There are some 15 pieces illustrated, coming from 
> various sources. Although weights are not 
> mentioned, a rough evaluation of the volume of 
> the pieces (comparison with the scale cubes) 
> leads to evaluate that the total weight of the 
> illustrated pieces should largely overstep 100 g, probably more.

The total weight of the pieces from the EoM are 39.565g ...

Regards

Andr?


From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 06:56:42 2010
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:56:42 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Pairing Discussions
In-Reply-To: <201001191058.o0JAw5CX013899@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>
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	<201001191058.o0JAw5CX013899@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>
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Hello John, Zelimir, All,
I've held samples of both; NWA 4024 is indistinguishable from NWA 2680.

http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/NWA_2680/index.html

http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa4024.htm

It was likely misidentified the second time around because the sample
sent in for analysis was too small for an accurate study - or perhaps
the person who performed the analysis simply wasn't expecting an iron.
 Either way, it's funny -  an analysis based solely on the study of a
clast that comprises at most ~30-40% of the total volume of the
meteorite...I've never seen that done before.
It's a IAB with silicate inclusions - a pretty one, but an example
that's not crazily different from a few already-known irons.  Oh, and
it has winonaite-type silicate inclusions.  Just like Campo del Cielo
and many other IAB's...it's pretty typical in that respect.
We purchased a ~40g individual as a new iron in Tucson three or four
years ago; there were hundreds of small individuals of this iron
available at the time, totaling at least several kilograms (most
weighed only a few grams; Dean Bessey sold some of them on ebay later
that year, again, misidentified, and mixed with small mesosiderite
fragments).  In Tucson they were being sold as Zagora; we were
surprised to find a very fine pattern after we removed an end from
ours for analysis.
Based on what I have seen personally, I would estimate the TKW of the
find to be at least ten kilograms, but knowing NWA, there could be
(and likely is) much, much more.
Regards,
Jason

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Zelimir Gabelica
<Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> NWA 4024 is indeed a nice example of the discrepancy between Met. Bull. data
> and the amount of stuff circulating on the market.
>
> This is perfectly illustrated if you compare the Met. Bull. write up
> regarding NWA 4024 an look at the photos included at the end of the same
> report.
> There are some 15 pieces illustrated, coming from various sources. Although
> weights are not mentioned, a rough evaluation of the volume of the pieces
> (comparison with the scale cubes) leads to evaluate that the total weight of
> the illustrated pieces should largely overstep 100 g, probably more.
> Not mentioning that the pieces pictured probably represent only a small
> fraction of what is really available as 'NWA 4024" in collections.
>
> I have in collection a 4.43 g end section (got from Hanno Strufe).
> But my own write up states that Mike Farmer reported at the time (2006) that
> the tkw was at least 745 grams.
> He explicitly explained this discrepancy by the following argumentive
> comment: "first piece sold, more pieces come out", which is, as we know, not
> really a surprise.
>
> Nothing is mentioned officially about pairings and I don't know whether this
> meteorite is also being sold under another NWA N? but I guess the pics in
> the Met. Bull. suggest that all the 15 pieces were called "NWA 4024".
>
> The tkw of a meteorite is indeed rarely updated officially (by the Nom Com
> and thus reported in the Met. Bulls.) probably because nobody writes them to
> update the old tkw. I agree that the Nom Com should not be blamed for that.
>
> As a typical example (among many others) the official tkw reported in Met.
> Bull. for Chiang Khan is still 367 grams, while everybody now agrees that it
> is of several kg.
> When helping Mike Jensen to update the 2008 edition of ?"Meteorites from A
> to Z", I reported him several such examples and, in some obvious cases, the
> actual tkw was updated (with, as reference: "numerous sources including
> internet, personal communications and professional experience".
> Needless to say that this updating is not official because not (yet ?)
> agreed by the Nom. Com.
> For the cited example of Chiang Khan, we agreed to the put, as tkw, 75+ at 7.0+
> kg, which is more realistic regarding the present market, although not
> official as I agree only the Met. Bull. (Nom. Com.) should act as official
> reference.
>
> There is some pertinent work needed here and I am convinced many of us from
> the List and elsewhere can help in trying to provide more correct figures to
> the Nom. Com.
>
> Zelimir
>
>
> At 04:38 19/01/2010, John.L.Cabassi wrote:
>>
>> G'Day List
>> This has been a very interesting read. Quite some time ago, I brought up
>> the question about NWA 4024, which apparently on the card that
>> accompanied it and the Met Bull stated a TKW of 38.1g. ?But there's
>> definitely alot more out there ??? Is there pairing going on here?
>>
>> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa&sfor=names&ants=&falls
>> =&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&cat
>> eg=Winonaites&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normaltable&code=34296
>>
>>
>> And now for another, I purchased this off of Tom some time back. NWA
>> 231, the met bull lists is as being provisional, it has yet to be
>> classified. The main mass was 1054g. What I have is 1048g, 6 grams are
>> missing; I think due to polishing a window. But I confirmed with Michael
>> C. ?and it was confirmed. The label on the rock states "NWA 231" so
>> everything checks out. But it's yet to be classified. I have not found
>> the time to go ahead with this, but I was curious that NWA numbers were
>> handed out prior to being classified.
>>
>> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa+231&sfor=names&ants=&f
>> alls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name
>> &categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normaltable&code=31470
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers
>> John
>> IMCA # 2125
>>
>> ______________________________________________
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>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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>
> Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> Universit? de Haute Alsace
> ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
> 3, Rue A. Werner,
> F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
> Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
> ______________________________________________
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From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Tue Jan 19 07:46:00 2010
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:46:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <93aaac891001182343w3ef16f75m62da0b298afef36a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT117-W10A7BAF8CDD8B8333D9B26D2660@phx.gbl>	<550033.39458.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<93aaac891001181357w7dc3fcb0h8a7a1e085062e18f@mail.gmail.com>	<006e01ca98aa$2660a290$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
	<93aaac891001182343w3ef16f75m62da0b298afef36a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B55A988.1000802@usgs.gov>

> Make your homework. How many different meteorites do we have from 
> Antarctica after a third of a century hunting and spending billions of 
> USD? 7000.
This statement, appearing in some of the recent emails, is wrong.  There 
are over 16,000 classified meteorites from the ANSMET expeditions, plus 
a few thousand unclassified.  Counting the Japanese, Chinese,European,  
Korean, and minor collections, There ~27,000 classified Antarctic 
meteorites, and probably close to 20,000 not yet classified (mostly in 
the Japanese and Chinese collections).  And where in the world did this 
figure of billions of dollars being spent by the US to collect its 
20,000 meteorites come from?

Also, don't overlook the fact that Antarctic meteorite have proven to be 
vastly more valuable scientifically than NWA meteorites.  They probably 
occur as subjects of scientific publications at >10x the frequency as 
NWA meteorites (I posted statistics on this some years ago, but can't 
locate it at the moment).  This is because the main masses are well curated.

Jeff

-- 
Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
954 National Center
Reston, VA 20192, USA




From michael at rocksfromspace.org  Tue Jan 19 07:53:48 2010
From: michael at rocksfromspace.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:53:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 19,
	2010
Message-ID: <1645832395.1321391263905628313.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_19_2010.html


From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Tue Jan 19 09:46:29 2010
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:46:29 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 4024/2680
In-Reply-To: <93aaac891001190356t2e1c49e4h7ee77810482c1dec@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <754943.87875.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<000701ca98b8$de3f8670$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2>
	<201001191058.o0JAw5CX013899@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>
	<93aaac891001190356t2e1c49e4h7ee77810482c1dec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201001191446.o0JEk2uS018887@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi Jason,

Excellent link for NWA 4024 compared to 2680 (Birdsell).
 From what I just can discern, I am convinced 
2680 is exactly the same material as 4024.
See, as comparison, the pics of both meteorites 
added at the end of their respective Met. Bull 
reports (although NWA 2680 is still provisional, there are pics attached).
In particular Mirko Graul provided pics of both.
Here they are, for comparison:

NWA 2680:

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/get_original_photo.php?recno=5645813

and NWA 4024:

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/get_original_photo.php?recno=5645817

Very similar slices, almost same pattern (look at details!)

My modest suggestion:

Owing to the fact that NWA 2680 is still 
provisional, why not suggesting to this specific 
classification working team (Zolensky & al ?) to 
conclude (after a thorough  re-examination) that 
both meteorites are the same and thus also 
consider to maintain only one NWA number, thus 
that NWA 2680 is identical to NWA 4024 (that 
should have priority because first classified)?

But here the question is perhaps even more 
complicated because NWA 4024 is said to be a 
winonaite, while it now appears obvious that only 
one (or a few) achondritic clast(s) were analyzed 
in it, not the (major ?) iron found all around (that is IAB ungr.).
It would then be wise to fully re-analyze both 
materials (ideally by the same team) and conclude.
If there rises evidence that both are the same, 
then I guess there should come an agreement for a common type and name ?

Sorry, I am not in the Nom Com nor I know how 
they would proceed in such a case, so perhaps my suggestion is very naive.
I therefore expect more comments from Nom Com 
experts and am ready to humbly accept their conclusions whatever they be.

This is here only one typical example of 
something that could still be done, because NWA 2680 is not yet official.
There are probably other such favorable examples.
Solving them, even if progressively, will push 
the pairing problem one step forward, though it 
is obvious, as Jeff pointed out, that this 
pairing problem is really very difficult (I'd say 
impossible) to solve completely.


Zelimir

At 12:56 19/01/2010, Jason Utas wrote:
>Hello John, Zelimir, All,
>I've held samples of both; NWA 4024 is indistinguishable from NWA 2680.
>
>http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/NWA_2680/index.html
>
>http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa4024.htm
>
>It was likely misidentified the second time around because the sample
>sent in for analysis was too small for an accurate study - or perhaps
>the person who performed the analysis simply wasn't expecting an iron.
>  Either way, it's funny -  an analysis based solely on the study of a
>clast that comprises at most ~30-40% of the total volume of the
>meteorite...I've never seen that done before.
>It's a IAB with silicate inclusions - a pretty one, but an example
>that's not crazily different from a few already-known irons.  Oh, and
>it has winonaite-type silicate inclusions.  Just like Campo del Cielo
>and many other IAB's...it's pretty typical in that respect.
>We purchased a ~40g individual as a new iron in Tucson three or four
>years ago; there were hundreds of small individuals of this iron
>available at the time, totaling at least several kilograms (most
>weighed only a few grams; Dean Bessey sold some of them on ebay later
>that year, again, misidentified, and mixed with small mesosiderite
>fragments).  In Tucson they were being sold as Zagora; we were
>surprised to find a very fine pattern after we removed an end from
>ours for analysis.
>Based on what I have seen personally, I would estimate the TKW of the
>find to be at least ten kilograms, but knowing NWA, there could be
>(and likely is) much, much more.
>Regards,
>Jason
>
>On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Zelimir Gabelica
><Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr> wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >
> > NWA 4024 is indeed a nice example of the 
> discrepancy between Met. Bull. data
> > and the amount of stuff circulating on the market.
> >
> > This is perfectly illustrated if you compare the Met. Bull. write up
> > regarding NWA 4024 an look at the photos included at the end of the same
> > report.
> > There are some 15 pieces illustrated, coming from various sources. Although
> > weights are not mentioned, a rough evaluation of the volume of the pieces
> > (comparison with the scale cubes) leads to 
> evaluate that the total weight of
> > the illustrated pieces should largely overstep 100 g, probably more.
> > Not mentioning that the pieces pictured probably represent only a small
> > fraction of what is really available as 'NWA 4024" in collections.
> >
> > I have in collection a 4.43 g end section (got from Hanno Strufe).
> > But my own write up states that Mike Farmer 
> reported at the time (2006) that
> > the tkw was at least 745 grams.
> > He explicitly explained this discrepancy by the following argumentive
> > comment: "first piece sold, more pieces come 
> out", which is, as we know, not
> > really a surprise.
> >
> > Nothing is mentioned officially about 
> pairings and I don't know whether this
> > meteorite is also being sold under another NWA N? but I guess the pics in
> > the Met. Bull. suggest that all the 15 pieces were called "NWA 4024".
> >
> > The tkw of a meteorite is indeed rarely updated officially (by the Nom Com
> > and thus reported in the Met. Bulls.) 
> probably because nobody writes them to
> > update the old tkw. I agree that the Nom Com should not be blamed for that.
> >
> > As a typical example (among many others) the official tkw reported in Met.
> > Bull. for Chiang Khan is still 367 grams, 
> while everybody now agrees that it
> > is of several kg.
> > When helping Mike Jensen to update the 2008 edition of  "Meteorites from A
> > to Z", I reported him several such examples and, in some obvious cases, the
> > actual tkw was updated (with, as reference: "numerous sources including
> > internet, personal communications and professional experience".
> > Needless to say that this updating is not official because not (yet ?)
> > agreed by the Nom. Com.
> > For the cited example of Chiang Khan, we 
> agreed to the put, as tkw, 75+ at 7.0+
> > kg, which is more realistic regarding the present market, although not
> > official as I agree only the Met. Bull. (Nom. Com.) should act as official
> > reference.
> >
> > There is some pertinent work needed here and I am convinced many of us from
> > the List and elsewhere can help in trying to 
> provide more correct figures to
> > the Nom. Com.
> >
> > Zelimir
> >
> >
> > At 04:38 19/01/2010, John.L.Cabassi wrote:
> >>
> >> G'Day List
> >> This has been a very interesting read. Quite some time ago, I brought up
> >> the question about NWA 4024, which apparently on the card that
> >> accompanied it and the Met Bull stated a TKW of 38.1g.  But there's
> >> definitely alot more out there ??? Is there pairing going on here?
> >>
> >> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa&sfor=names&ants=&falls
> >> =&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&cat
> >> eg=Winonaites&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normaltable&code=34296
> >>
> >>
> >> And now for another, I purchased this off of Tom some time back. NWA
> >> 231, the met bull lists is as being provisional, it has yet to be
> >> classified. The main mass was 1054g. What I have is 1048g, 6 grams are
> >> missing; I think due to polishing a window. But I confirmed with Michael
> >> C.  and it was confirmed. The label on the rock states "NWA 231" so
> >> everything checks out. But it's yet to be classified. I have not found
> >> the time to go ahead with this, but I was curious that NWA numbers were
> >> handed out prior to being classified.
> >>
> >> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa+231&sfor=names&ants=&f
> >> alls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name
> >> &categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normaltable&code=31470
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> John
> >> IMCA # 2125
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> Visit the Archives at
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> > Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> > Universit? de Haute Alsace
> > ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
> > 3, Rue A. Werner,
> > F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> > Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
> > Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
> > ______________________________________________
> > Visit the Archives at
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
>______________________________________________
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Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15  



From marcin at meteoryt.net  Tue Jan 19 10:01:06 2010
From: marcin at meteoryt.net (Marcin Cimala)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:01:06 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 4024/2680
References: <754943.87875.qm@web56508.mail.re3.yahoo.com><000701ca98b8$de3f8670$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2><201001191058.o0JAw5CX013899@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr><93aaac891001190356t2e1c49e4h7ee77810482c1dec@mail.gmail.com>
	<201001191446.o0JEk2uS018887@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>
Message-ID: <65275C23A119482CBE5E347C68F84A39@polandmezrd5i9>

Hi
You can add to this also my number NWA 5980. Its paired to 4024
TKW 298g

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> Hi Jason,
>
> Excellent link for NWA 4024 compared to 2680 (Birdsell).
> From what I just can discern, I am convinced 2680 is exactly the same 
> material as 4024.
> See, as comparison, the pics of both meteorites added at the end of their 
> respective Met. Bull reports (although NWA 2680 is still provisional, 
> there are pics attached).
> In particular Mirko Graul provided pics of both.
> Here they are, for comparison:
>
> NWA 2680:
>
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/get_original_photo.php?recno=5645813
>
> and NWA 4024:
>
> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/get_original_photo.php?recno=5645817
>
> Very similar slices, almost same pattern (look at details!)
>
> My modest suggestion:
>
> Owing to the fact that NWA 2680 is still provisional, why not suggesting 
> to this specific classification working team (Zolensky & al ?) to conclude 
> (after a thorough  re-examination) that both meteorites are the same and 
> thus also consider to maintain only one NWA number, thus that NWA 2680 is 
> identical to NWA 4024 (that should have priority because first 
> classified)?
>
> But here the question is perhaps even more complicated because NWA 4024 is 
> said to be a winonaite, while it now appears obvious that only one (or a 
> few) achondritic clast(s) were analyzed in it, not the (major ?) iron 
> found all around (that is IAB ungr.).
> It would then be wise to fully re-analyze both materials (ideally by the 
> same team) and conclude.
> If there rises evidence that both are the same, then I guess there should 
> come an agreement for a common type and name ?
>
> Sorry, I am not in the Nom Com nor I know how they would proceed in such a 
> case, so perhaps my suggestion is very naive.
> I therefore expect more comments from Nom Com experts and am ready to 
> humbly accept their conclusions whatever they be.
>
> This is here only one typical example of something that could still be 
> done, because NWA 2680 is not yet official.
> There are probably other such favorable examples.
> Solving them, even if progressively, will push the pairing problem one 
> step forward, though it is obvious, as Jeff pointed out, that this pairing 
> problem is really very difficult (I'd say impossible) to solve completely.
>
>
> Zelimir
>
> At 12:56 19/01/2010, Jason Utas wrote:
>>Hello John, Zelimir, All,
>>I've held samples of both; NWA 4024 is indistinguishable from NWA 2680.
>>
>>http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/NWA_2680/index.html
>>
>>http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa4024.htm
>>
>>It was likely misidentified the second time around because the sample
>>sent in for analysis was too small for an accurate study - or perhaps
>>the person who performed the analysis simply wasn't expecting an iron.
>>  Either way, it's funny -  an analysis based solely on the study of a
>>clast that comprises at most ~30-40% of the total volume of the
>>meteorite...I've never seen that done before.
>>It's a IAB with silicate inclusions - a pretty one, but an example
>>that's not crazily different from a few already-known irons.  Oh, and
>>it has winonaite-type silicate inclusions.  Just like Campo del Cielo
>>and many other IAB's...it's pretty typical in that respect.
>>We purchased a ~40g individual as a new iron in Tucson three or four
>>years ago; there were hundreds of small individuals of this iron
>>available at the time, totaling at least several kilograms (most
>>weighed only a few grams; Dean Bessey sold some of them on ebay later
>>that year, again, misidentified, and mixed with small mesosiderite
>>fragments).  In Tucson they were being sold as Zagora; we were
>>surprised to find a very fine pattern after we removed an end from
>>ours for analysis.
>>Based on what I have seen personally, I would estimate the TKW of the
>>find to be at least ten kilograms, but knowing NWA, there could be
>>(and likely is) much, much more.
>>Regards,
>>Jason
>>
>>On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Zelimir Gabelica
>><Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr> wrote:
>> > Hi John,
>> >
>> > NWA 4024 is indeed a nice example of the
>> discrepancy between Met. Bull. data
>> > and the amount of stuff circulating on the market.
>> >
>> > This is perfectly illustrated if you compare the Met. Bull. write up
>> > regarding NWA 4024 an look at the photos included at the end of the 
>> > same
>> > report.
>> > There are some 15 pieces illustrated, coming from various sources. 
>> > Although
>> > weights are not mentioned, a rough evaluation of the volume of the 
>> > pieces
>> > (comparison with the scale cubes) leads to
>> evaluate that the total weight of
>> > the illustrated pieces should largely overstep 100 g, probably more.
>> > Not mentioning that the pieces pictured probably represent only a small
>> > fraction of what is really available as 'NWA 4024" in collections.
>> >
>> > I have in collection a 4.43 g end section (got from Hanno Strufe).
>> > But my own write up states that Mike Farmer
>> reported at the time (2006) that
>> > the tkw was at least 745 grams.
>> > He explicitly explained this discrepancy by the following argumentive
>> > comment: "first piece sold, more pieces come
>> out", which is, as we know, not
>> > really a surprise.
>> >
>> > Nothing is mentioned officially about
>> pairings and I don't know whether this
>> > meteorite is also being sold under another NWA N? but I guess the pics 
>> > in
>> > the Met. Bull. suggest that all the 15 pieces were called "NWA 4024".
>> >
>> > The tkw of a meteorite is indeed rarely updated officially (by the Nom 
>> > Com
>> > and thus reported in the Met. Bulls.)
>> probably because nobody writes them to
>> > update the old tkw. I agree that the Nom Com should not be blamed for 
>> > that.
>> >
>> > As a typical example (among many others) the official tkw reported in 
>> > Met.
>> > Bull. for Chiang Khan is still 367 grams,
>> while everybody now agrees that it
>> > is of several kg.
>> > When helping Mike Jensen to update the 2008 edition of  "Meteorites 
>> > from A
>> > to Z", I reported him several such examples and, in some obvious cases, 
>> > the
>> > actual tkw was updated (with, as reference: "numerous sources including
>> > internet, personal communications and professional experience".
>> > Needless to say that this updating is not official because not (yet ?)
>> > agreed by the Nom. Com.
>> > For the cited example of Chiang Khan, we
>> agreed to the put, as tkw, 75+ at 7.0+
>> > kg, which is more realistic regarding the present market, although not
>> > official as I agree only the Met. Bull. (Nom. Com.) should act as 
>> > official
>> > reference.
>> >
>> > There is some pertinent work needed here and I am convinced many of us 
>> > from
>> > the List and elsewhere can help in trying to
>> provide more correct figures to
>> > the Nom. Com.
>> >
>> > Zelimir
>> >
>> >
>> > At 04:38 19/01/2010, John.L.Cabassi wrote:
>> >>
>> >> G'Day List
>> >> This has been a very interesting read. Quite some time ago, I brought 
>> >> up
>> >> the question about NWA 4024, which apparently on the card that
>> >> accompanied it and the Met Bull stated a TKW of 38.1g.  But there's
>> >> definitely alot more out there ??? Is there pairing going on here?
>> >>
>> >> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa&sfor=names&ants=&falls
>> >> =&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&cat
>> >> eg=Winonaites&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normaltable&code=34296
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> And now for another, I purchased this off of Tom some time back. NWA
>> >> 231, the met bull lists is as being provisional, it has yet to be
>> >> classified. The main mass was 1054g. What I have is 1048g, 6 grams are
>> >> missing; I think due to polishing a window. But I confirmed with 
>> >> Michael
>> >> C.  and it was confirmed. The label on the rock states "NWA 231" so
>> >> everything checks out. But it's yet to be classified. I have not found
>> >> the time to go ahead with this, but I was curious that NWA numbers 
>> >> were
>> >> handed out prior to being classified.
>> >>
>> >> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa+231&sfor=names&ants=&f
>> >> alls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name
>> >> &categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normaltable&code=31470
>> >>
>> >> Any thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >> John
>> >> IMCA # 2125
>> >>
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From m_graul at yahoo.de  Tue Jan 19 10:30:57 2010
From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:30:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 4024/2680
In-Reply-To: <65275C23A119482CBE5E347C68F84A39@polandmezrd5i9>
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Hi Marcin and List,

oh NWA 5980 is your number of this same material?
What was the result of classification?
Winonaite or silic. iron?
I agree absolutly with Jason and Zelimir.
Also for me the material is the same.
And NWA 2680 are prefered for me.

Many greetings to all,

Mirko (sorry for my bad english)
    

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--- Marcin Cimala <marcin at meteoryt.net> schrieb am Di, 19.1.2010:

> Von: Marcin Cimala <marcin at meteoryt.net>
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 4024/2680
> An: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Datum: Dienstag, 19. Januar 2010, 16:01
> Hi
> You can add to this also my number NWA 5980. Its paired to
> 4024
> TKW 298g
> 
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> 
> 
> > Hi Jason,
> > 
> > Excellent link for NWA 4024 compared to 2680
> (Birdsell).
> > From what I just can discern, I am convinced 2680 is
> exactly the same material as 4024.
> > See, as comparison, the pics of both meteorites added
> at the end of their respective Met. Bull reports (although
> NWA 2680 is still provisional, there are pics attached).
> > In particular Mirko Graul provided pics of both.
> > Here they are, for comparison:
> > 
> > NWA 2680:
> > 
> > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/get_original_photo.php?recno=5645813
> > 
> > and NWA 4024:
> > 
> > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/get_original_photo.php?recno=5645817
> > 
> > Very similar slices, almost same pattern (look at
> details!)
> > 
> > My modest suggestion:
> > 
> > Owing to the fact that NWA 2680 is still provisional,
> why not suggesting to this specific classification working
> team (Zolensky & al ?) to conclude (after a
> thorough? re-examination) that both meteorites are the
> same and thus also consider to maintain only one NWA number,
> thus that NWA 2680 is identical to NWA 4024 (that should
> have priority because first classified)?
> > 
> > But here the question is perhaps even more complicated
> because NWA 4024 is said to be a winonaite, while it now
> appears obvious that only one (or a few) achondritic
> clast(s) were analyzed in it, not the (major ?) iron found
> all around (that is IAB ungr.).
> > It would then be wise to fully re-analyze both
> materials (ideally by the same team) and conclude.
> > If there rises evidence that both are the same, then I
> guess there should come an agreement for a common type and
> name ?
> > 
> > Sorry, I am not in the Nom Com nor I know how they
> would proceed in such a case, so perhaps my suggestion is
> very naive.
> > I therefore expect more comments from Nom Com experts
> and am ready to humbly accept their conclusions whatever
> they be.
> > 
> > This is here only one typical example of something
> that could still be done, because NWA 2680 is not yet
> official.
> > There are probably other such favorable examples.
> > Solving them, even if progressively, will push the
> pairing problem one step forward, though it is obvious, as
> Jeff pointed out, that this pairing problem is really very
> difficult (I'd say impossible) to solve completely.
> > 
> > 
> > Zelimir
> > 
> > At 12:56 19/01/2010, Jason Utas wrote:
> >> Hello John, Zelimir, All,
> >> I've held samples of both; NWA 4024 is
> indistinguishable from NWA 2680.
> >> 
> >> http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/NWA_2680/index.html
> >> 
> >> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa4024.htm
> >> 
> >> It was likely misidentified the second time around
> because the sample
> >> sent in for analysis was too small for an accurate
> study - or perhaps
> >> the person who performed the analysis simply
> wasn't expecting an iron.
> >>? Either way, it's funny -? an analysis
> based solely on the study of a
> >> clast that comprises at most ~30-40% of the total
> volume of the
> >> meteorite...I've never seen that done before.
> >> It's a IAB with silicate inclusions - a pretty
> one, but an example
> >> that's not crazily different from a few
> already-known irons.? Oh, and
> >> it has winonaite-type silicate inclusions.?
> Just like Campo del Cielo
> >> and many other IAB's...it's pretty typical in that
> respect.
> >> We purchased a ~40g individual as a new iron in
> Tucson three or four
> >> years ago; there were hundreds of small
> individuals of this iron
> >> available at the time, totaling at least several
> kilograms (most
> >> weighed only a few grams; Dean Bessey sold some of
> them on ebay later
> >> that year, again, misidentified, and mixed with
> small mesosiderite
> >> fragments).? In Tucson they were being sold
> as Zagora; we were
> >> surprised to find a very fine pattern after we
> removed an end from
> >> ours for analysis.
> >> Based on what I have seen personally, I would
> estimate the TKW of the
> >> find to be at least ten kilograms, but knowing
> NWA, there could be
> >> (and likely is) much, much more.
> >> Regards,
> >> Jason
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Zelimir Gabelica
> >> <Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr>
> wrote:
> >> > Hi John,
> >> >
> >> > NWA 4024 is indeed a nice example of the
> >> discrepancy between Met. Bull. data
> >> > and the amount of stuff circulating on the
> market.
> >> >
> >> > This is perfectly illustrated if you compare
> the Met. Bull. write up
> >> > regarding NWA 4024 an look at the photos
> included at the end of the > same
> >> > report.
> >> > There are some 15 pieces illustrated, coming
> from various sources. > Although
> >> > weights are not mentioned, a rough evaluation
> of the volume of the > pieces
> >> > (comparison with the scale cubes) leads to
> >> evaluate that the total weight of
> >> > the illustrated pieces should largely
> overstep 100 g, probably more.
> >> > Not mentioning that the pieces pictured
> probably represent only a small
> >> > fraction of what is really available as 'NWA
> 4024" in collections.
> >> >
> >> > I have in collection a 4.43 g end section
> (got from Hanno Strufe).
> >> > But my own write up states that Mike Farmer
> >> reported at the time (2006) that
> >> > the tkw was at least 745 grams.
> >> > He explicitly explained this discrepancy by
> the following argumentive
> >> > comment: "first piece sold, more pieces come
> >> out", which is, as we know, not
> >> > really a surprise.
> >> >
> >> > Nothing is mentioned officially about
> >> pairings and I don't know whether this
> >> > meteorite is also being sold under another
> NWA N? but I guess the pics > in
> >> > the Met. Bull. suggest that all the 15 pieces
> were called "NWA 4024".
> >> >
> >> > The tkw of a meteorite is indeed rarely
> updated officially (by the Nom > Com
> >> > and thus reported in the Met. Bulls.)
> >> probably because nobody writes them to
> >> > update the old tkw. I agree that the Nom Com
> should not be blamed for > that.
> >> >
> >> > As a typical example (among many others) the
> official tkw reported in > Met.
> >> > Bull. for Chiang Khan is still 367 grams,
> >> while everybody now agrees that it
> >> > is of several kg.
> >> > When helping Mike Jensen to update the 2008
> edition of? "Meteorites > from A
> >> > to Z", I reported him several such examples
> and, in some obvious cases, > the
> >> > actual tkw was updated (with, as reference:
> "numerous sources including
> >> > internet, personal communications and
> professional experience".
> >> > Needless to say that this updating is not
> official because not (yet ?)
> >> > agreed by the Nom. Com.
> >> > For the cited example of Chiang Khan, we
> >> agreed to the put, as tkw, 75+ at 7.0+
> >> > kg, which is more realistic regarding the
> present market, although not
> >> > official as I agree only the Met. Bull. (Nom.
> Com.) should act as > official
> >> > reference.
> >> >
> >> > There is some pertinent work needed here and
> I am convinced many of us > from
> >> > the List and elsewhere can help in trying to
> >> provide more correct figures to
> >> > the Nom. Com.
> >> >
> >> > Zelimir
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 04:38 19/01/2010, John.L.Cabassi wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> G'Day List
> >> >> This has been a very interesting read.
> Quite some time ago, I brought >> up
> >> >> the question about NWA 4024, which
> apparently on the card that
> >> >> accompanied it and the Met Bull stated a
> TKW of 38.1g.? But there's
> >> >> definitely alot more out there ??? Is
> there pairing going on here?
> >> >>
> >> >> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa&sfor=names&ants=&falls
> >> >>
> =&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&cat
> >> >>
> eg=Winonaites&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normaltable&code=34296
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> And now for another, I purchased this off
> of Tom some time back. NWA
> >> >> 231, the met bull lists is as being
> provisional, it has yet to be
> >> >> classified. The main mass was 1054g. What
> I have is 1048g, 6 grams are
> >> >> missing; I think due to polishing a
> window. But I confirmed with >> Michael
> >> >> C.? and it was confirmed. The label
> on the rock states "NWA 231" so
> >> >> everything checks out. But it's yet to be
> classified. I have not found
> >> >> the time to go ahead with this, but I was
> curious that NWA numbers >> were
> >> >> handed out prior to being classified.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa+231&sfor=names&ants=&f
> >> >>
> alls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name
> >> >>
> &categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normaltable&code=31470
> >> >>
> >> >> Any thoughts?
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers
> >> >> John
> >> >> IMCA # 2125
> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >> > Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> >> > Universit? de Haute Alsace
> >> > ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
> >> > 3, Rue A. Werner,
> >> > F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> >> > Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
> >> > Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
> >> >
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From tbear1 at cableone.net  Tue Jan 19 10:54:23 2010
From: tbear1 at cableone.net (Ted Bunch)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:54:23 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <4B55A988.1000802@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <C77B23BF.1054A%tbear1@cableone.net>

Jeff - your statement from below " Also, don't overlook the fact that
Antarctic meteorite have proven to be vastly more valuable scientifically
than NWA meteorites" is misleading and somewhat biased. Meteorites of the
various classes are nearly equally represented in the Antarctic and Desert
collections. Some classes are better represented from the desert
collections, for examples, brachinites, angrites, Martians and the Antarctic
collections have more acapulcoites, aubrites, and some carbonaceous. But,
the number of samples doesn't really matter.

The number of scientific publications "> 10X" means little in terms of
scientific significance. The use of Antarctic specimens is largely biased if
you consider the following:

1) NSF funded Antarctic samples are more easily obtained for research
compared with trying to obtain samples from collectors, dealers and
repository collections and they are usually prepared for instant study (thin
sections, cleaned, diced, boxed, etc.).
2) NSF has put pressure on various institutions to either publish more on
the 1000s of Antarctic meteorites, obtained with NSF funding, or lose
support for future Expeditions.
3) There is considerable bias among some researchers to not use Desert
samples for political reasons and the lack of exact find locations (Nomads
do not use GPS instruments, not that this means much). Some museums are
extremely biased against "dirty desert meteorites" and will not let them in
the door, thus depriving researchers for easy access to samples for study -
a very prominent Federally funded museum comes to mind.
4) The Japanese publish almost exclusively on their Antarctic meteorites,
not Desert specimens.
5) More and more  research papers deal with both Desert and Antarctic
samples and that tact is becoming more prevalent with time as bias
diminishes and the reality of "desert significance" enters the mind set. I
don't know how you factor that into the "numbers game".
6) A shot at "more valuable scientifically" - if not for the valuable lunar
samples collected from the deserts, we would know much less about the Moon -
see the Korotev web site on Lunars. And, and we know a Hell of a lot more
about Mars from Desert Martians - See Irving web site on Martians.

Bottom line -  geography has little to do with a meteorite's significance.
As a colleague of mine said "A meteorite doesn't care where it lands".

Regards, Ted



On 1/19/10 5:46 AM, "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov> wrote:

>> Make your homework. How many different meteorites do we have from
>> Antarctica after a third of a century hunting and spending billions of
>> USD? 7000.
> This statement, appearing in some of the recent emails, is wrong.  There
> are over 16,000 classified meteorites from the ANSMET expeditions, plus
> a few thousand unclassified.  Counting the Japanese, Chinese,European,
> Korean, and minor collections, There ~27,000 classified Antarctic
> meteorites, and probably close to 20,000 not yet classified (mostly in
> the Japanese and Chinese collections).  And where in the world did this
> figure of billions of dollars being spent by the US to collect its
> 20,000 meteorites come from?
> 
> Also, don't overlook the fact that Antarctic meteorite have proven to be
> vastly more valuable scientifically than NWA meteorites.  They probably
> occur as subjects of scientific publications at >10x the frequency as
> NWA meteorites (I posted statistics on this some years ago, but can't
> locate it at the moment).  This is because the main masses are well curated.
> 
> Jeff




From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Tue Jan 19 11:22:34 2010
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:22:34 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
Message-ID: <OF9C423D66.8D32FD53-ON052576B0.0059FAB1@usgs.gov>

I can now report with some authority that the total cost of 30+ years 
of collecting by ANSMET has been in the range of $20 
million.  Considering the record of scientific achievements that has 
been built on this collection of 20,000 specimens, I would have to 
say it has been a bargain.

Jeff

>>Make your homework. How many different meteorites do we have from 
>>Antarctica after a third of a century hunting and spending billions 
>>of USD? 7000.
>This statement, appearing in some of the recent emails, is 
>wrong.  There are over 16,000 classified meteorites from the ANSMET 
>expeditions, plus a few thousand unclassified.  Counting the 
>Japanese, Chinese,European,
>Korean, and minor collections, There ~27,000 classified Antarctic 
>meteorites, and probably close to 20,000 not yet classified (mostly 
>in the Japanese and Chinese collections).  And where in the world 
>did this figure of billions of dollars being spent by the US to 
>collect its 20,000 meteorites come from?
>
>Also, don't overlook the fact that Antarctic meteorite have proven 
>to be vastly more valuable scientifically than NWA meteorites.  They 
>probably occur as subjects of scientific publications at >10x the 
>frequency as NWA meteorites (I posted statistics on this some years 
>ago, but can't locate it at the moment).  This is because the main 
>masses are well curated.
>
>Jeff


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From marcin at meteoryt.net  Tue Jan 19 11:52:20 2010
From: marcin at meteoryt.net (Marcin Cimala)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:52:20 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 4024/2680
References: <937507.83273.qm@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D31BCDB71F1F40E78AA6084B420CD5A4@polandmezrd5i9>

> Hi Marcin and List,
>
> oh NWA 5980 is your number of this same material?
> What was the result of classification?

I was not sure what it is. I hoped its something similar to Udei Station but 
then I have seen same material in Ensisheim (it was propably NWA4024). I was 
surprized that its winonaite. But lab results confirmed this.

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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 12:00:51 2010
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:00:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <C77B23BF.1054A%tbear1@cableone.net>
References: <C77B23BF.1054A%tbear1@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <807536.49287.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thank you, Ted for pointing out that a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I noticed that this bias concerning Antarctic versus NWA finds is disappearing with the current generation of scientists.  Years ago at the LPSC in Houston, about one and ten papers concerning planetary meteorites mentioned NWA. The last time I went to this conference, over half the papers that dealt with planetary meteorites included NWA specimens. When talking to the up and coming planetary scientists, I observed that they were equally enthusiastic about specimens and have not developed any bias whatsoever.

I have seen both Antarctic and NWA specimens and I am equally impressed with both. I saw a freezer and a nitrogen filled case full of Antarctic specimens at the Antarctic Laboratory when I visited it a couple of years ago.  I failed to see a difference other than the the Antarctic pieces were treated much better in the handling and preservation department. I observed heavy weathering on most of the pieces but they were preserved in the same manner as the few fresh pieces I saw.  They just weathered differently then the NWA material with a lot of evaporates and salt clinging to them. NWA material, on the other hand, develops caliche deposits and really weathered examples tend to crack or fragment.  In my opinion, both locations are equally capable of producing fresh and desirable specimens.


Best Regards,

Adam

  



----- Original Message ----
From: Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net>
To: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>; Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 7:54:23 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

Jeff - your statement from below " Also, don't overlook the fact that
Antarctic meteorite have proven to be vastly more valuable scientifically
than NWA meteorites" is misleading and somewhat biased. Meteorites of the
various classes are nearly equally represented in the Antarctic and Desert
collections. Some classes are better represented from the desert
collections, for examples, brachinites, angrites, Martians and the Antarctic
collections have more acapulcoites, aubrites, and some carbonaceous. But,
the number of samples doesn't really matter.

The number of scientific publications "> 10X" means little in terms of
scientific significance. The use of Antarctic specimens is largely biased if
you consider the following:

1) NSF funded Antarctic samples are more easily obtained for research
compared with trying to obtain samples from collectors, dealers and
repository collections and they are usually prepared for instant study (thin
sections, cleaned, diced, boxed, etc.).
2) NSF has put pressure on various institutions to either publish more on
the 1000s of Antarctic meteorites, obtained with NSF funding, or lose
support for future Expeditions.
3) There is considerable bias among some researchers to not use Desert
samples for political reasons and the lack of exact find locations (Nomads
do not use GPS instruments, not that this means much). Some museums are
extremely biased against "dirty desert meteorites" and will not let them in
the door, thus depriving researchers for easy access to samples for study -
a very prominent Federally funded museum comes to mind.
4) The Japanese publish almost exclusively on their Antarctic meteorites,
not Desert specimens.
5) More and more  research papers deal with both Desert and Antarctic
samples and that tact is becoming more prevalent with time as bias
diminishes and the reality of "desert significance" enters the mind set. I
don't know how you factor that into the "numbers game".
6) A shot at "more valuable scientifically" - if not for the valuable lunar
samples collected from the deserts, we would know much less about the Moon -
see the Korotev web site on Lunars. And, and we know a Hell of a lot more
about Mars from Desert Martians - See Irving web site on Martians.

Bottom line -  geography has little to do with a meteorite's significance.
As a colleague of mine said "A meteorite doesn't care where it lands".

Regards, Ted



On 1/19/10 5:46 AM, "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov> wrote:

>> Make your homework. How many different meteorites do we have from
>> Antarctica after a third of a century hunting and spending billions of
>> USD? 7000.
> This statement, appearing in some of the recent emails, is wrong.  There
> are over 16,000 classified meteorites from the ANSMET expeditions, plus
> a few thousand unclassified.  Counting the Japanese, Chinese,European,
> Korean, and minor collections, There ~27,000 classified Antarctic
> meteorites, and probably close to 20,000 not yet classified (mostly in
> the Japanese and Chinese collections).  And where in the world did this
> figure of billions of dollars being spent by the US to collect its
> 20,000 meteorites come from?
> 
> Also, don't overlook the fact that Antarctic meteorite have proven to be
> vastly more valuable scientifically than NWA meteorites.  They probably
> occur as subjects of scientific publications at >10x the frequency as
> NWA meteorites (I posted statistics on this some years ago, but can't
> locate it at the moment).  This is because the main masses are well curated.
> 
> Jeff


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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 19 12:06:09 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:06:09 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Impact on Value Being Unclassified
Message-ID: <SNT117-W43410F3D94AD62FD8256EAD2650@phx.gbl>


List:

This brings up a question: If a meteorite in unclassified, how does it affect the value? I would think considerably, as most collectors desire documentation for their pieces, as any collector does.? However, others may not care if they can get (a martian or lunar) for less money; but with higher risk.? I would think that most dealers would want to get everything classified, as they could get more money.? I can certainly understand that the nomads want to keep their locations secret, but the dealer should still get the finds classified, and find out if certain pieces were found together.? I think over time, the unclassified stones will lose value, while the classified stones will increase in value.? I think it's a shame that so many stones get unclassified, it's like have old paintings or works of are unsigned.

Just my Thoughts,

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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 12:14:56 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:14:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Impact on Value Being Unclassified
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W43410F3D94AD62FD8256EAD2650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <914743.95605.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

So many sell material that is self paired its not funny.
It comes down to WHO is selling it in my opinion as to how much fuss is raised.
How many of the NWA martians are out there with solid documentation as to actual scientific pairing? about 20% maybe, if that much?
In my opinion an NWA xxxx martian is just as valuable as NWA pick your number. 
I have never purchased a meteorite with actual testing information, so by the opinion of some, its not official as not documentation came with it.

I think more dealers need to get the people testing to provide them with actual paperwork to go with the material. For putting out 20% they should provide more. Even if its only from type sample testing, more documentation is better then an ID card on BC paper. 

Greg C.

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Impact on Value Being Unclassified
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 12:06 PM
> 
> List:
> 
> This brings up a question: If a meteorite in unclassified,
> how does it affect the value? I would think considerably, as
> most collectors desire documentation for their pieces, as
> any collector does.? However, others may not care if they
> can get (a martian or lunar) for less money; but with higher
> risk.? I would think that most dealers would want to get
> everything classified, as they could get more money.? I can
> certainly understand that the nomads want to keep their
> locations secret, but the dealer should still get the finds
> classified, and find out if certain pieces were found
> together.? I think over time, the unclassified stones will
> lose value, while the classified stones will increase in
> value.? I think it's a shame that so many stones get
> unclassified, it's like have old paintings or works of are
> unsigned.
> 
> Just my Thoughts,
> 
> Greg S.
>  ???
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 12:43:38 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:43:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Testing Documentation - NWA 5799 Documentation
In-Reply-To: <914743.95605.qm@web46410.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <229550.24963.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

This is what I am able to get from the person that does my testing - 
It is the Documentation for NWA 5799 - A very nice, but "ordinary" LL4
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA5799p1.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA5799p2.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA5799p3.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA5799p4.jpg

While I know this is not the norm, I ask why not? Why can I get this, but none of the people with all these well known contacts cant? How hard would it be to provide some testing information to the person submitting the material? Why is this not mandatory? 

What is the cost of a few sheets of paper and a couple minutes to print it out?
In my opinion, if it does not come with documentation like this, it is not as valuable as it could be. 
Sure it may not be spot on exact as to the sample sold, but its far better then any ID card.
I know I have brought this up before, but from some comments about pairing and testing, this again seems a good time to bring it up again...

To all dealers/Testers out there, why not offer more? Cost is nothing compared to added value the paperwork adds. Make copies and include it with the material... add the extra 30 cent it may cost to do if your profit margins are not good...

In my opinion, this is real documentation, something I have never got from anyone I have ever bought from. 

The bottom line is, If I can get this, for an LL Chondrite, Why cant you guys get it? Why is this not the normal thing to do? 
Is it not better?

Greg C.




--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Impact on Value Being Unclassified
> To: "Greg Stanley" <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 12:14 PM
> So many sell material that is self
> paired its not funny.
> It comes down to WHO is selling it in my opinion as to how
> much fuss is raised.
> How many of the NWA martians are out there with solid
> documentation as to actual scientific pairing? about 20%
> maybe, if that much?
> In my opinion an NWA xxxx martian is just as valuable as
> NWA pick your number. 
> I have never purchased a meteorite with actual testing
> information, so by the opinion of some, its not official as
> not documentation came with it.
> 
> I think more dealers need to get the people testing to
> provide them with actual paperwork to go with the material.
> For putting out 20% they should provide more. Even if its
> only from type sample testing, more documentation is better
> then an ID card on BC paper. 
> 
> Greg C.
> 
> --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Impact on Value Being
> Unclassified
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 12:06 PM
> > 
> > List:
> > 
> > This brings up a question: If a meteorite in
> unclassified,
> > how does it affect the value? I would think
> considerably, as
> > most collectors desire documentation for their pieces,
> as
> > any collector does.? However, others may not care if
> they
> > can get (a martian or lunar) for less money; but with
> higher
> > risk.? I would think that most dealers would want to
> get
> > everything classified, as they could get more money.?
> I can
> > certainly understand that the nomads want to keep
> their
> > locations secret, but the dealer should still get the
> finds
> > classified, and find out if certain pieces were found
> > together.? I think over time, the unclassified stones
> will
> > lose value, while the classified stones will increase
> in
> > value.? I think it's a shame that so many stones get
> > unclassified, it's like have old paintings or works of
> are
> > unsigned.
> > 
> > Just my Thoughts,
> > 
> > Greg S.
> >? ???
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From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Tue Jan 19 13:08:59 2010
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:08:59 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <807536.49287.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <C77B23BF.1054A%tbear1@cableone.net>
	<807536.49287.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B55F53B.2030901@usgs.gov>

This is not about enthusiasm or generations of scientists.  This is 
about specimen availability and curation.  With extremely rare classes, 
like lunar meteorites, scientists do try to obtain every specimen they 
possibly can, and there has been a lot of work done on NWA meteorites.  
However, with virtually all other types of meteorites, this is not the 
case.  For these, Antarctic meteorites receive much more attention 
because the samples are well-curated and easily available.

As far as your and Ted's assertion that there is "bias..."  You imply 
that workers are choosing one specimen over another simply because of 
where it comes from.  I don't know of any scientist who would do that.  
People tend to work on the material to which they have access, and avoid 
making extra effort to purchase or search for other material unless that 
have to.  The simple fact is that access to NWA samples is relatively 
poor.  Many museums don't have large collections of NWAs (e.g., in the 
United States, the SI, AMNH, FMNH), the reasons for which are irrelevant 
to this discussion.  Types specimens tend to be small even in 
institutions that have them.  I am not alone, I am sure, in reporting 
that I have had serious difficulty getting research material for many 
hot-desert meteorites (including those from Oman and NWA), but nearly 
all my requests for Antarctic meteorites have been fulfilled.  These are 
the reasons that NWAs are relatively understudied and, I would argue, 
less valuable to science in general.

jeff



On 2010-01-19 12:00 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:
> Thank you, Ted for pointing out that a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I noticed that this bias concerning Antarctic versus NWA finds is disappearing with the current generation of scientists.  Years ago at the LPSC in Houston, about one and ten papers concerning planetary meteorites mentioned NWA. The last time I went to this conference, over half the papers that dealt with planetary meteorites included NWA specimens. When talking to the up and coming planetary scientists, I observed that they were equally enthusiastic about specimens and have not developed any bias whatsoever.
>
> I have seen both Antarctic and NWA specimens and I am equally impressed with both. I saw a freezer and a nitrogen filled case full of Antarctic specimens at the Antarctic Laboratory when I visited it a couple of years ago.  I failed to see a difference other than the the Antarctic pieces were treated much better in the handling and preservation department. I observed heavy weathering on most of the pieces but they were preserved in the same manner as the few fresh pieces I saw.  They just weathered differently then the NWA material with a lot of evaporates and salt clinging to them. NWA material, on the other hand, develops caliche deposits and really weathered examples tend to crack or fragment.  In my opinion, both locations are equally capable of producing fresh and desirable specimens.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ted Bunch<tbear1 at cableone.net>
> To: Jeff Grossman<jgrossman at usgs.gov>; Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 7:54:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
>
> Jeff - your statement from below " Also, don't overlook the fact that
> Antarctic meteorite have proven to be vastly more valuable scientifically
> than NWA meteorites" is misleading and somewhat biased. Meteorites of the
> various classes are nearly equally represented in the Antarctic and Desert
> collections. Some classes are better represented from the desert
> collections, for examples, brachinites, angrites, Martians and the Antarctic
> collections have more acapulcoites, aubrites, and some carbonaceous. But,
> the number of samples doesn't really matter.
>
> The number of scientific publications ">  10X" means little in terms of
> scientific significance. The use of Antarctic specimens is largely biased if
> you consider the following:
>
> 1) NSF funded Antarctic samples are more easily obtained for research
> compared with trying to obtain samples from collectors, dealers and
> repository collections and they are usually prepared for instant study (thin
> sections, cleaned, diced, boxed, etc.).
> 2) NSF has put pressure on various institutions to either publish more on
> the 1000s of Antarctic meteorites, obtained with NSF funding, or lose
> support for future Expeditions.
> 3) There is considerable bias among some researchers to not use Desert
> samples for political reasons and the lack of exact find locations (Nomads
> do not use GPS instruments, not that this means much). Some museums are
> extremely biased against "dirty desert meteorites" and will not let them in
> the door, thus depriving researchers for easy access to samples for study -
> a very prominent Federally funded museum comes to mind.
> 4) The Japanese publish almost exclusively on their Antarctic meteorites,
> not Desert specimens.
> 5) More and more  research papers deal with both Desert and Antarctic
> samples and that tact is becoming more prevalent with time as bias
> diminishes and the reality of "desert significance" enters the mind set. I
> don't know how you factor that into the "numbers game".
> 6) A shot at "more valuable scientifically" - if not for the valuable lunar
> samples collected from the deserts, we would know much less about the Moon -
> see the Korotev web site on Lunars. And, and we know a Hell of a lot more
> about Mars from Desert Martians - See Irving web site on Martians.
>
> Bottom line -  geography has little to do with a meteorite's significance.
> As a colleague of mine said "A meteorite doesn't care where it lands".
>
> Regards, Ted
>
>
>
> On 1/19/10 5:46 AM, "Jeff Grossman"<jgrossman at usgs.gov>  wrote:
>
>    
>>> Make your homework. How many different meteorites do we have from
>>> Antarctica after a third of a century hunting and spending billions of
>>> USD? 7000.
>>>        
>> This statement, appearing in some of the recent emails, is wrong.  There
>> are over 16,000 classified meteorites from the ANSMET expeditions, plus
>> a few thousand unclassified.  Counting the Japanese, Chinese,European,
>> Korean, and minor collections, There ~27,000 classified Antarctic
>> meteorites, and probably close to 20,000 not yet classified (mostly in
>> the Japanese and Chinese collections).  And where in the world did this
>> figure of billions of dollars being spent by the US to collect its
>> 20,000 meteorites come from?
>>
>> Also, don't overlook the fact that Antarctic meteorite have proven to be
>> vastly more valuable scientifically than NWA meteorites.  They probably
>> occur as subjects of scientific publications at>10x the frequency as
>> NWA meteorites (I posted statistics on this some years ago, but can't
>> locate it at the moment).  This is because the main masses are well curated.
>>
>> Jeff
>>      
>
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From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 13:23:56 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:23:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible LL5 polymict Breccia for
	study/educational/testing use
Message-ID: <897098.46283.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi to all, I am doing more cutting on a 1086g complete stone.
This is possibly an LL5 polymict breccia.
I will have some small part slices and cutting debris that may be good for testing, study, or simply a type sample.
It is from NWA.

I would like to offer the first 10 people to reply some of this - no collectors, I would like this to go to places that can use them for study, research and educational use. If more then 10 want some, I may make more available, email me.

I will offer part slices that would make good thin sections.

Classification is being done on this by Ted Bunch, he is busy and had some equipment issues, so it may take time to get a number. No classification is needed however.


Greg C.


      


From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 13:46:31 2010
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:46:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
Message-ID: <142917.72195.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Jeff and List,

I agree with most of what you stated in your last post although I believe there is a real bias among a very few scientists, and certainly a few museums.

Access to planetary material , Angrites and other rare material from NWA is supposed to be a simple matter of contacting the repository. There has been many times, my brother and I have provided additional material beyond type specimen  requirements in order to satisfy science.  My brother has gone as far as allowing having a sizable core taken from a large Angrite individual at a great lose in commercial value.  I donated more than twice the requirement for NWA 5000 and have given scientists access to the main mass.  We do this because we recognize that science is the most important aspect in qualifying meteorites. Without it, they are fairly worthless.  There are other collectors and dealers who have done the same when asked.  For the most part, collectors and dealers would love to have their hot desert finds studied.  Then there are a few who are stingy in regards to parting with samples.

I totally disagree with the following statement:

These are the reasons that NWAs are relatively understudied and, I would argue, 
less valuable to science in general.

I believe the hot desert finds are every bit as important to science as the the Antarctic finds.  Acceptance and access of hot desert finds has improved dramatically the last ten years.  There are several surprises yet to come, from both Antarctic and NWA. To value one over the other is demonstrating a bias in my opinion.

Best Regards,

Adam


From news at chladnis-heirs.com  Tue Jan 19 14:07:12 2010
From: news at chladnis-heirs.com (Chladnis Heirs)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:07:12 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <4B55A988.1000802@usgs.gov>
References: <SNT117-W10A7BAF8CDD8B8333D9B26D2660@phx.gbl>	<550033.39458.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<93aaac891001181357w7dc3fcb0h8a7a1e085062e18f@mail.gmail.com>	<006e01ca98aa$2660a290$07b22959@name86d88d87e2><93aaac891001182343w3ef16f75m62da0b298afef36a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B55A988.1000802@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <000601ca993a$9d56ba20$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Hello Jeff,

>This statement, appearing in some of the recent emails, is wrong.

Really? I was speaking about "different meteorites".

M.Lindstrom & R.Score
came to the the result,

"that the average number of Antarctic meteorites per pairing group is 5."

M.Lindstrom, R.Score:
Populations, Paring and Rare Meteorites in the U.S. Antarctic Meteorite
Collection

http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/ppr.cfm


>And where in the world did this 
>figure of billions of dollars being spent by the US to collect its 
>20,000 meteorites come from?

Not the U.S. - USA, Japan, China, Europe together.

Antarctic is an expensive place to work and to live.
You need special equipment, you have to transport everything there, you have
to maintain the infrastructure, and like with any other program, you have
the running costs for the personnel (salaries, social insurances, working
place costs).

The figures are scattered over the web.
There you can read, only to give some examples, that one standard ANSMET
team causes 800,000$ primary costs without secondary costs for 6 weeks on
the ice - and that the whole Antarctic summer semester over would be hunted.

Somewhere you will find, that the supply and the transport of fuels 
to maintain the McMurdo Station costed 70 millions $ in one year.

And so on.

Personnel costs too, remember EUROMET, who had basic costs for personnel
without any expedition yet of 20 millions $ per year (they went also to
Antarctica).

Labs, tertiary costs - 

it will be all difficult to amount.
(Would be interesting, if someone would do this once).

Well and then think, that not only the U.S. are hunting there, but for a
similar long time NIPR, then the few EUROMET trips, as well as China.

Well and that for 33 years...

....will easily sum up to a total of far more than a billion.


Personnel, equipment, insurances, pension plan, fuels, transportation,
administration,....
These costs the public hasn't to pay, if they are buying NWAs.

The Bulletins you know.
Seen the tkws and the numbers from almost all rarest, rare and semi-rare
types - it was meanwhile more found in NWA than in Antarctica.

An unclassified averagely weathered kg NWA-OC delivered to your doorstep
costs you around 30$.
What does it cost to recover 1kg of an averagely weathered OC in Antarctica?

How long does it take and what did it cost to find 19 different lunaites in
Antarctica for USA, Japan, Europe and China together? 33 years.
How long takes the same task in the private desert sector? 5 years.

What does cost 1 1/4 kg of an classified R-Chondrite from NWA?  12,000$?
In 33 years of Antarctic expeditions in total R-chondrites were found:  
1 1/4kg.

A scientist is accepted to take part in an ANSMET-hunt.
He steps out of the door in sunny Arizona - will 12,000$ be enough to reach
his final destination?

Jeff, don't get me wrong please.

It is not my intention to play the cold desert hunts off against the hot
desert hunts.

The Antarctic meteorite programs are wonderful, great, absolutely necessary
and the expenses more than justified.

But in my opinion it would also extremely stupid, if science would abstain
from the NWA and Oman finds, and wouldn't work additionally on them.
Because they are meanwhile even more manifold than the Antarctic finds,
outweigh them by mass, 
and cost the public compared to the Antarctic finds virtually almost nothing
at all.

To set them aside would IMHO also not directly justifiable to the public,
because, sorry to say that, but sometimes it is forgotten, ANSMET, NIPR,
PRIC, ect. are paid with public tax-money.

I'd say,
Martin



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff
Grossman
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Januar 2010 13:46
An: Meteorite-list
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

> Make your homework. How many different meteorites do we have from 
> Antarctica after a third of a century hunting and spending billions of 
> USD? 7000.
This statement, appearing in some of the recent emails, is wrong.  There 
are over 16,000 classified meteorites from the ANSMET expeditions, plus 
a few thousand unclassified.  Counting the Japanese, Chinese,European,  
Korean, and minor collections, There ~27,000 classified Antarctic 
meteorites, and probably close to 20,000 not yet classified (mostly in 
the Japanese and Chinese collections).  And where in the world did this 
figure of billions of dollars being spent by the US to collect its 
20,000 meteorites come from?

Also, don't overlook the fact that Antarctic meteorite have proven to be 
vastly more valuable scientifically than NWA meteorites.  They probably 
occur as subjects of scientific publications at >10x the frequency as 
NWA meteorites (I posted statistics on this some years ago, but can't 
locate it at the moment).  This is because the main masses are well curated.

Jeff

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From pierremariepele at yahoo.fr  Tue Jan 19 14:16:59 2010
From: pierremariepele at yahoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Pel=E9_Pierre-Marie?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:16:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] TC3 2008 : 2 french and 1 belgian meteorite
	hunters imprisoned in Sudan
Message-ID: <274450.51134.qm@web23006.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hello,  

I just read an article about two french and one belgian "tourists" who were arrested two weeks ago in Sudan because of having in their possession samples of the TC3 2008 meteorite.

You can read the article here :
http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fhostednews%2Fafp%2Farticle%2FALeqM5h2LgyLBZP-1Nlc6tbDS4FhkwI_8w&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

I don't know who they are ?

Pierre-Marie Pele
www.meteor-center.com


      



From webbth1 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 14:23:31 2010
From: webbth1 at yahoo.com (Thomas Webb)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:23:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Pairing Discussions-Still Looking for
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--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Thomas Webb <webbth1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Pairing Discussions
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:04 PM
> List,
> Martin wrote--
> - Even if you're absolutely sure, that one of your stones
> is paired to one
> or several existing NWA-numbers, you are not allowed in no
> case to use one
> of these numbers.
> 
> I think I understand the reasoning behind what has been put
> forth in this discussion so far and abide with it in my own
> dealings, however, I must wonder why practically everyone on
> the list who deals in meteorites has not had their "probably
> paired with" NWA 869 stones classified with a new number
> rather than just listing them as NWA 869 even though they
> bought them as unclassified and "probably paired
> with".? Is there some hypocrisy here?? Is it OK to
> make an eyeball pairing with 869 but not other NWA's??
> Does no one care on this one simply because there is so much
> of it, so the rule does not apply?? Could it be that no
> one cares about getting a new number and classification if
> it's a meteorite that sells for pennies per gram, but if it
> sells for many dollars or hundreds of dollars per gram, then
> it becomes important?? Is it OK to bend or break the
> rules in some cases but not others?? Does greed ever
> enter into the equation?
> 
> I've asked a lot of questions.? I'm certain there's
> someone here who can give reasonable answers.
> 
> My best,
> Thomas
> 
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From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Tue Jan 19 12:41:52 2010
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:41:52 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
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Jason,

first of all, I do not justify anybody's action,
second, I can't discuss based upon hear-say and rumours, for that the time
of all of us, is too pity.
If you deal accusations, you have to deliver facts (the list rules require
that too).

>But you're merely downplaying the importance of information such as
>where they were found, etc, without even justifying it.

You have excessive strewnfield mapping for Libya, partially for Oman too.

The question of terrestrial weathering is one of the main occupation of the
Suisse-Omani team.
As you see, it can be done, totally independent from that what any private
dealer, hunter or collector is doing.
That it isn't done, you can't accuse the hunters of, as long as there is
worldwide only a single public financed expedition team doing that job
periodically in the desert (once per year, a very few people, for a very few
weeks).
Meteorite science is, like most forms of basic research, see astronomy, see
physics, see spaceflight -  a public task.

>But Oman's hardly giong to send police over to reclaim rocks

Here the principle is decisive.
A crime will stay a crime, when law tells it is a crime, no matter whether
it is prosecuted or not.

In the recent years, we see the fatal development, that in so many countries
those people, who tapped these countries as new and most productive
meteorite resources, those people, who found so far almost all meteorites
there on their own risks and expenses and those people, who did the field
work, the official side was not willing to do, to pay or failed with their
efforts,
those people, who found and delivered all these stones, which triggered that
enormous boost in meteoritics and planetary science of the last 20 years,
and that at a small fraction of the cost, science had spent to come to
similar results respectively a society would have to spend -

we see, that these people now are more and more criminalized or pushed in a
gray area due to the introduction of restrictive meteorite laws.

The aftermath is disastrous.
If you had checked the catalogues of the public historic collections and the
universities, you would know, that 80 or 90% of all (non-antarctic)
meteorites stem directly or indirectly from private people.

That is the reason, why we have all in all no new finds in Australia,
that the find numbers totally broke down in Libya, that we don't have
meteorites in Egypt, that NWA is going to an end and that we will have 90%
or even less finds in Oman, if the laws there would be enforced.

With the recovery of new falls - btw. touching your contamination argument,
but also to seize the recommendation of the UNESCO meteorite working group,
where it was consensus already in the 1960ies, that it is of crucial
importance and that all shall be done, to recover the material as fast as
possible after it fell - there with the new falls you have the very same.
All in all not the scientists are recovering them or are going to search for
them, but the private people.

The current situation caused by those many new laws of the last 20-30 years 
and especially in our decade is unbearable
and very harmful for the continuity of that branch of science.

>the place where a meteorite falls is irrelevant.

I never suggested that.

>Maybe there's 100kg more of NWA 2737 out there, but we'll never know
>because that information is now lost

Right. But righter, without hunters, dealers we wouldn't know at all, that
there is a NWA 2737   ;-?

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, is in German,
The sparrow in the hand is better than the dove on the roof.

...but how shall I say, it is to a certain degree a luxury problem,
if you'd concede to me a more general and perhaps more antiquated
perspective.


In 1981, when I acquired my first meteorite,
there were all in all - non-antarctic:

1765 recognized meteorite finds
And
 935 recognized observed falls.

>From Ur and Nogata on. 


Now only 20 years later, we have, NEW and published, additionally and
non-antarctic, we have more:

More than 
8000 new meteorite finds

And
151 observed falls


So. And the very very most of these finds and numbers were made by private
dealers, hunters, collectors. That you have to recognize (as well as those
have to register, who want to kick off the private sector).

1765 finds 3000 years before,
8000 finds in 20 years.

Among this 8000 you find a lot of very well documented ones.
You find among them more excellent documented finds, than all the meteorites
in history together were documented before.

There.

That's what I call a performance.

>But you're merely downplaying the importance of information such as

Innuendo.

I say, we aren't living in a perfect world of elves and dwarves,
I say - now you know the figures - that it is incredibly ridiculous to
bemoan lacking find data of a part of these finds,
because the number, the weights, the diversity, the low costs of these finds

outweigh hundredfold the incomplete data.

Strewnfield mapping, weathering studies - are interesting aspects.

But if these finds wouldn't have been made, what should a scientist measure
in his microprobe?
The idea of a meteorite? The dream of a sample of another planet?
- that works at best perhaps in Australia.

Jason. Take spaceflight. What are all these missions to the terrestrial
planets, to asteroids, to comets made for? To measure those celestial
bodies. All the rovers and space probes. Remote sensoring, robotic analyses
in situ on the surface..
Here coincide the questions of meteoritics and spaceflight/planetology.
You can do more intensive studies with a sample from a celestial body in
terrestrial labs, than with the limited possibilities of a small robot out
there. See, what is always the final goal of a mission series?
The sample-return-mission. Luna, Apollo, Genesis, Hayabusa... the plans for
a sample-return-mission to Mars are known.
These analyses and the samples themselves are so important, that mankind is
spending billions each year to get them.
It is so crucial, that we get the very meteorites in our labs, complementary
to our space programs. They represent samples from celestial bodies, where
we simply have no access to else. How many different parent bodies do we
find sampled in our meteorites? 150? How many asteroid samples have we
received from spaceflight so far?
Zero. 
How many Martian samples, picked up on Mars and brought to Earth by our
technical means do we have to study?  Not a single one.
And the lunar meteorites, several of them represent material from depths,
from times, from regions the astronauts and the Luna-probes had no access
to.

That is in my eyes really somewhat more important, that meteorites deliver
us that information - than the secondary information, what happened to them
in the short time, they spent on Earth.

Can you understand that?

Sometimes it seems to me, that the newer generation is so spoiled from the
material, the hunters and dealers delivered them,
that they aren't aware anymore, how happy they should be about the big
Bonanza.
They are taking almost all for granted!
If those guys in Sahara and Oman aren't going to search the stones,
then we simply will have no meteorites anymore.
Then it will be like it was all the centuries before the desert rush,
or like nowadays in Australia.
One doesn't need especial intellectual abilities to get that.

You want better field work?
So send the expeditions out, to do it. Nobody is detaining science from
doing that, you simply blame the wrong people.

What do we have currently going on for expeditions in the deserts?
Suisse-Omani-team 3-6 weeks a year, 4-6 people or so - I'm to lazy to look
for.
Wasn't there recently also a trip in Saudi Arabia?
Else? I'm not aware of any other official expedition in Oman else, nor in
whole Sahara, nor in the US-deserts.
When was the last expedition in Australia? In the mid-90ies?

So what do you want?
All in all almost nobody want to do that work,
why the nomads in Sahara should do it instead?
Why the meteoritic pizza-boys in Oman?

Science costs.
Give them half the salary, social insurances ect. and a quarter of the
travel costs and the costs of equipment any member of an official meteorite
desert expedition gets paid,
and they will do it for you with greatest pleasure (and most probably, if I
look at the stats, more successfully).

With the price levels we have these years for desert meteorites, they simply
can't do it
and with the withdrawal of the institutional collections from their historic
and public responsibility, they can't do it neither.
Here in Europe most of the first addresses of meteoritics got in the last 10
years their purchase budgets shortened to a level lower than any local
village museum and additionally aren't allowed to swap anymore, hence anyway
only still growing and diversifying with the deposit masses, the lousy
dealers are giving them - well and over there at you,
there the problem is, that many of the large institutes refuse to buy desert
finds, because they felt for the - yes, I think, one can call it so - for
the lies of some of the protectionists, that NWA-meteorites would be
illegal, which - see the results of the Casablanca workshop - is untrue.

If the institutions would buy like they bought the 200 years before,
it would be no question, that also the Sahara finds could be better and
fully documented.

Science costs. I'm sorry.

If the find documentation is of such an importance, we have to equip and to
pay the hunters (or their meteorites) better.
That would be quite an effort, but would cost less than Antarctica, not to
mention planetary spaceflight.

That is the answer on your question:
>2) Is there any reason not to take the time to do it right?  


>It's not all about speed.  You don't seem to understand that a
>scientist could spend a lifetime working 

Course I know - and everybody in the meteorite biz has sometimes troubles
with especially inert examples of such scientists,
Thanks God there are many, many others...

But what the scientist side often doesn't understand, is, that the side,
which is delivering them their objects of research, has to work completely
different than they are used to work.

They are under the pressure of permanent success, if they want to make a
living from their work. Look, such a hunter has to pick up, and to find at
all, a thousand meteorite pieces in the field, until once, lets say an
R-chondrite is among them, wherefrom in the end, after deducting all his
expenses, costs, taxes, will remain less, than the above mentioned scientist
has in a single month. For a stone, which costs a million++, if found and
extracted from Antarctica and is hundred times more rare than the fattest
brilliant in the crown jewels of England.

We simply have a structural crises in that system.
The public side has all in all revoked the symbiosis with the private
sector, which worked perfectly for almost two centuries
and that at a point of time, where the private sector brought almost per
year as many new finds, as before was found in a whole century, and where
the costs dropped to a minute fracture of all the centuries before.
Parallely also - without Antarctica - the "official" efforts to recover
meteorites were reduced almost to zero.

Unintelligibly that happened, when parallely planetology boomed and
planetary spaceflight had a renaissance.

That is research policy - the hunters and dealers have no influence on that
and can't be blamed for that. They made an immense advance performance,
now it's highest time, that the other side has to do its homework.

Well and some of the scientists react on that situation very irrationally.
See all those new restrictive meteorite laws.
Attempts, which lead to the opposite of that, what was originally intended.

And relatively new is, that some of the meteoricists have now the attitude,
that to pay for their objects of research would be an obscenity.

A totally singular attitude in the whole world of science and universities.

You can ask any scientist from any other science branch - there is not a
single one among them, who could understand that.

Especially not, as the sums necessary are relatively marginal compared to
the funds spend in neighbouring disciplines.
And especially not, if one shows them, that all in all the other way, to
generate those research objects, cost a multiple or in some cases failed.

Look, only for understanding.
We're making here fun about Bevan.
Australia. They wanted to protect their meteorites.
Well, they protected them so strongly, that no meteorites at all were found
anymore, compared to the hundred years before.

(Hehe, Reminds me to an antivirus-program I once installed, which was
advertised, to be the best in the world. And it worked perfect. The
firewalls were so good, that the internet access didn't work anymore. Of
course so I wouldn't catch any virus, the disadvantage was, that I couldn't
work anymore.
Well, unfortunately I'm no Australian meteoricist, cause then, I would
comfortably sitting for years staring on the screen, where nothing is going
on, wouldn't have to work, and would be paid for that...)

2-3 expedition were carried out, they were so expensive, that one could have
simply bought more interesting material or hundred times more meteorites as
resulted from these expeditions. Or a multiple of fully and perfectly
documented Australian meteorites, if one only would have allowed the private
professional hunters search there.

Still not our cup of tea - because I said, science costs. It's o.k.
But now they have the laws, that nobody is willing anymore to find a
meteorite for them and on the other hand, they either don't have the funds
or for whatever reason, they do no own expeditions.

For me and you and for many scientists, this would be a fully inacceptable
situation.

Solutions exist so many.
Either they care for getting funds, to make own expeditions.
Or they liberalize the laws of ownership, cultural blablabla,
And then meteorites will be found again like all the decades before, most
probably more, as in any other desert country too.

Or simplest and cheapest. If I would be a Bevan, I simply would hire a
Sadilenko, an Afanasjev or a Clary or a Haberer (to distribute the names
over the globe)

and then it would take less than 2 years until Australia would have its
first Martian or second lunaite and hundredweights of new OCs.
I bed a chest of champagne.


Yah, sinecure, benefice, ego....
...sorry, completely out of interest,

meteorite hunters and dealers are interested in results!


Best!
Martin 


 


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jason Utas [mailto:meteoritekid at gmail.com] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Januar 2010 08:43
An: Martin Altmann; Meteorite-list
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

Martin,
Sometimes I just can't believe the ways you'll skew things to justify
dealers' actions.

> Tell me examples for misrepresented coordinates from Oman!

I've just had some off-list conversations with *several* prominent
list-members, all of whom agreed that while not all Omani coordinates
are false (and most are probably real), some teams are supplying false
data.
That is generally accepted fact.

> Man, from the beginning on the Russians and the Germans in Oman
meticulously
> documented their finds. With coordinates, with in situ photos, with
> describing the properties of the surrounding ground.. some of them were
> examined and trained geologists from one of the most reputable meteorite
> institutes of the World.

Yeah, they did good work, which isn't to say that everyone is doing
the same thing today.

> Yah I remember, in the very early times, they didn't made public the
> coordinates of their planetaries. But only for a very short period.
> And in consequence hunters from many countries, including the only
official
> team there, found so many more stones of their early finds, in the
> strewnfields they had recovered and disclosed to everyone.

Right.  They did that.  People don't nowadays.  If you haven't learned
that from chatting with dealers, I don't know what to tell you.  You
should probably get out more.

> Make your homework, check the Dhofar and SaU numbers, the lunars and the
> Martians, who all found some and when.

Yeah, I know.  Many of them are correct.  Some aren't.  You seem to
think that I'm saying that every Oman coordinate is a lie, and, to be
frank, I know that's far from the truth, and have said as much to
others in private emails.

> I don't allow you to discredit the incredibly important work, these true
> pioneers did for me, for science, for you and for all of us.

What they did is great, but there are a number of dealers going there
now who in some cases lie or withhold coordinates, especially for rare
finds.
I know this is true; it's a fact.  Ask around.

> The only case I remember is the new Dhofar-Moon - there the finders seem
to
> be simply afraid to give more information, because of the Suisse-Omani
> terror of the recent years.

Maaaybe.  But Oman's hardly giong to send police over to reclaim rocks
(as though the US would allow such a thing), and the coordinates that
I've seen that are known to be incorrect still place the finds within
the country.
So, no.

> What is a meteorite worth, for science, when it has no find data.
>
> Go and ask, what USA, what China, what Japan is spending all in all
> including costs for infrastructure and personnel to find meteorites in
> Antarctica. We are speaking of hundreds of millions of dollars.
> For meteorites, all having lost their fall data, because they were
> transported by ice movement.
> Seems, that they do have a certain value.

Yes, but for different reasons.  Those finds tell us much more for a
number of reasons - namely that they've been kept in a fairly arid
environment, and have generally suffered little organic contamination.

And you have to see the real flaw in your argument - you're saying
that meteorites are important scientifically regardless of where they
fall.  I agree with that.

But you're merely downplaying the importance of information such as
where they were found, etc, without even justifying it.
Just because they're important for what they contain doesn't mean that
their fall location and distribution isn't important as well -
especially for finding more of the rare stones, even *if,* as you seem
to suggest, the place where a meteorite falls is irrelevant.

> Every Moroccan a GPS...
> Make again your homework. How many tons were found in total in Oman, in
how
> many man-hours? 6 tons in 10 years, naturally most of them weathered
> ordinary chondrites (where you would pull a face, if you should pay even
> only 200$ a kilo, classified, well understood).

I'm not even sure at what you're getting at here.  You seem to be
saying that find locations are irrelevant, it's common material, it
sells for too little money, and thus taking coordinates wouldn't be
worth it.

I disagree.

We have a hell of a lot of those apparently revolting meteorites boxed
away, waiting for a day when a lab might be more interested in working
on them.  But you're getting sidetracked.  This has nothing to do with
whether or not finds should be GPS'ed, etc.  All you've told me is
that a one kilogram stone could buy a decent GPS unit.

> Make your homework. How many different meteorites do we have from
Antarctica
> after a third of a century hunting and spending billions of USD?
> 7000.
> And - naturally - most of them ordinary chondrites.

Your point?

> Alone with NWA we are in less than 9 years at number 6000.

So what you're saying is that it would take three times as long for
the meteorites to be recovered with adequate find data.
Ok, so:
1) It's possible.
2) Is there any reason not to take the time to do it right?  This
would allow for the recording of thousands of strewnfields, which are
instead lost forever.

> And, do your homework, what do you find in the Bulletins?
> Incredibly disproportionately highly more scientifically interesting stuff
> than weathered OCs.
> The bulk in Sahara are like everywhere else on Earth the weathered OCs.
> Those aren't classified, because no scientist wants to work on such
material
> and no institute nor collector wants to have them.

Well, there are two more flaws in your reasoning here.  Firstly, while
they may not be as interesting scientifically, strewnfield data could
still be gathered - if anything, I think this makes your point even
less valid.  What they lack in pertinent chemical and structural data
doesn't change the fact that we could get additional information about
meteorite fall rates, and the density of finds in arid environments,
never mind actually understanding the pairing, which, with ordinary
chondrites, is now information that is simply lost forever.

Oh, and if no one wanted them, they'd be free.  Good luck finding them
for under ~$100/kg, even for the "ugliest" stones.

> In the Bulletins you see from Sahara only the tip of the iceberg, the best
> of the best.

First-off, that's just not true.  The majority of NWA's are still
ordinary chondrites.  Yes there's a far disproportional number of
rarer meteorites, but OC's are still prevalent.

And again, this is irrelevant.  Great, there are many rare meteorites.
 You're still losing practically all of the find data for each stone.
Maybe there's 100kg more of NWA 2737 out there, but we'll never know
because that information is now lost and the nomads who found it
weren't told it was a meteorite until years later.

> The people of Maghreb have to pick up just as well as any other hunters
> elsewhere too their hundred true meteorites until they hold a for you
boring
> eucrite in their hand.

And I've found over a hundred meteorites here in California and have
documented every single chondrite meticulously - and we've turned up a
few achondrites in the mix.
Thanks to the way we do things, we might be able to find more of them.
 Of course, what you're saying is that it would be better for us to
simply pick them up and keep moving, finding more, because science
would benefit less.  Hell, we should probably just leave all of the
worthless chondrites we find on the ground because they're useless
shit.

That seems to be what you're getting at.

> Do you really think, that there only 10 or 20 clowns are stumbling through
> half a continent to collect meteorites and that would be NWA? Man - you
have
> not the slightest idea what for dimensions of time, distances and work it
> needs, that you get that rare stuff from Morocco delivered on your desk
for
> a pocket money.

And you seem to have no conception of the amount of scientific data
that is now LOST and will NEVER be retrieved.
Thanks to you, me, and all of the other people involved in this business.
You can try to justify it by saying that it would take longer to do it
well, but honestly...thirty more years in the desert wouldn't change
most meteorites much.  It's a moot point.

> And they have no coordinates. Bravo.
> Any institute here, any scientist there, who is willing to pay 250.000$ a
> gram for a lunar? Anyone out there, who likes to pay 1500$ instead of 30$
> for an Acapulcoite? Anyone from ANSMET there - man, in that few years, we
> two found so many CKs and Rs like the Antarctic teams would need more than
a
> decade to find, and for all of them together we asked a price, just
> sufficient to pay the flight for one or two single scientists to
Antarctica
> and back.
> The flights only.

You're just saying the same thing again and again...and again.  Yes, I
know that the meteorites found still have scientific value.
No one's debating that.
Well, you are.
But that's not my point.  My point is that a vast amount of data *is*
being lost, and you've yet to say ANYTHING that contradicts that
statement.


> Yah strewnfields, weathering, science.. - do it, instead of complaining.

I do.  Here.  In California.  We've found over a hundred and fifty
meteorites on a single lakebed that was "searched out," representing
at least six or seven distinct falls (and I'm talking about an area
that's less than a square mile).
We found an Acapulcoite on another lakebed where we were told by
seasoned hunters that there wasn't much left to find.
And we've found a few sites of our own to hunt, and have been going at
them just as thoroughly.

But...this is a cop out.  You're not affirming whether or not what is
being done is right or wrong.  You're just asking me what I'm doing to
make it better.

And there's really nothing I can do.  I have school, work, and a life
here, and I'm sorry, but I can't leave it.
Even if I could, I'm one hunter.  That's a pretty damn big desert.
I'd be leaving my life here to provide science with a mere drop of
information in an otherwise empty desert.  The way business is being
conducted simply means that regardless of whether or not teams went to
hunt there, undocumented meteorites would still stream out of NWA in
numbers likely comparable to what they've been in past years.

But that doesn't mean that we as a community haven't simply erased a
vast amount of scientific knowledge that we *could* have preserved.

I'm not saying that buying NWA meteorites is wrong or that they're
worthless.  I'm just saying that we as a collecting, dealing
community, have helped to contribute to a vast gap in scientific
knowledge that we could have preserved had we gone about things in the
correct way.

And there's really nothing you can say to argue with that.

> Where are the official teams in Sahara? I know of not a single official
> expedition there. Where are they? There are enough meteorites left there
to
> be discovered and to do all kind of field work on them.

Yeah, it's cheaper to rely on Moroccan labor to recover the stones for you.
I know.
It sucks.
It's economically not worthwhile to go and find them on your own when
you can buy them for $100/kg in Morocco while sipping tea in someone's
house.
And scientists are more content to study the rocks themselves, you
know that.  With the vast influx of material coming in from NWA,
they've got enough on their plates already.
Which isn't to say that it wouldn't have been better for find
information to be received, but that's the price of convenience.
Those folks have Antarctica, and we have the NWA to plunder.  They
spend their time hunting at the South Pole, and we take from NWA.

> Yah, they do have no coordinates.
> But for that, science and you get the stuff at a minute fraction of the
> costs of all the 200 years before and at a fraction of a fraction of a
> fraction if all these stones had to be found financed by public money with
> official expeditions. And you get such a broad choice, stones where 10, 15
> years nobody could even imagine, that they would exist at all.

It's not all about speed.  You don't seem to understand that a
scientist could spend a lifetime working on a thin section of
Semarkona, analyzing individual grains and thus shedding light on the
early solar system.  There's more material, NWA excluded, than all of
today's scientists could possibly exhaust in their lifetimes.
It would have been better if every stone were documented, etc.  The
meteorites aren't going anywhere.  And while we have, do, and will
continue to learn from these nameless stones, some of the knowledge we
could have gained is lost.

> Man, Jason, remember EUROMET?
> Check it out, they had annual expenses for personnel only, without that
> anyone even had set a foot over the doorstep of his bureau, of 8.5
millions
> ECU. ?ECU was the currency unit before EURO was introduced.
> Take additional inflation,
> They spent hence 20 millions of USD PER YEAR only for personnel, without
> devices, without equipment, without any expedition yet.
> Yaaabbayabbayabba - yes, they did also research, well understood.

BS.  I did my own research.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:jhQ3IDMLruEJ:www.mna.it/english/Publica
tions/TAP/TA_pdfs/Volume_01/TA_01_01_229_Mellini.pdf+euromet+meteorite&cd=1&
hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

Yeah, it costs that much -- but that's the combined cost of running 50
laboratories and paying 220 scientists.  That says NOTHING about how
much it costs to find a meteorite.  Moot point.

> But what can you buy for 20 millions? Jason, there do not exist enough
> lunaites on Earth, that you could spend 20 millions!
> If you buy all Eucrites, all Howardites, all Diogenites found ever over
the
> whole planet and from all times (without of course the horribly expensive
> Antarctic finds) - you still will have left over a lot of that sum.
> Make a Bessey deal like in former times. 25$/kg for unclassified W3 OCs.
> But then you would have to give Dean a hint, wherefrom Dean should take
800
> tons of OCs, if the Catalogue lists only 700 tons of meteorites in history
> and on Earth and less than 40 tons are stones and the rest irons.

As said, moot point.  You're looking at the cost of running
experiments, and, well, every expense of 220 scientists working in
state of the art laboratories.  The physics lab I'm looking at working
in here has a budget of several million dollars, and it all goes into
materials and studies/testing.  Either you don't understand how costly
it really is to study meteorites, you don't know how much it costs for
a flight to Morocco or Australia, or you're just spewing complete crap
in the hope that enough of it sticks to make me look wrong.  I think I
know which of those is the truth.

> And - EUROMET was going in Sahara, yippieh, and they came back with
> absolutely empty hands. Wrong hunting area? I doubt. It was the
> Kem-Kem-region - exactly that region, where a little later the first
> hundredweights of meteorites were found by locals, marking the beginning
of
> NWA.

Ok, here are a few more problems with your reasoning.
1) Irrelevant.  If they were in the right place and didn't find
anything, well, if you've ever hunted for meteorites, you would know
that you can spend a week in the right place finding nothing, and find
ten stones the next day.
2) What's to say they were in the right place.
3) You're looking at a bunch of scientists.  It took us a while to
find our first meteorite as well.
4) *If* they were in the right place, hundreds of kilograms of
meteorites had already been removed.
That would probably make remaining pieces much harder to find,
especially since they would have had no way to know if they were in
the right place or not because, guess what -- no coordinates.

> And you dare to complain about missing coordinates and you are maundering
> about shabby tricks of greedy hunters and dealers.

Hey, I'm just as guilty.  Just pointing out that things could have
been run better from a scientific point of view, and not a single word
you've yet said has contradicted that notion in any way.

> Welcome, spend some GPS-devices. I suggest you pay the first 1000 units.

It doesn't make sense for any single person to foot the cost, and you
know it.  Ideally, five or ten years ago, some of the few dealers
dealing with Moroccans at the time could have sold or traded locals
GPS units for meteorites, and in turn, agreed to pay them a more for
stones with coordinates in the future.

But, as has been said, that's just not in dealers' interests.

> Gosh, you have really no idea. Please, 3/4 or more of all those persons,
> you'd call a dealer are doing it for fun and never sat a foot into Sahara,
> they buy their stones on shows or from photos.

Maybe.  I know that two of the folks who contacted me off-list have
been to Oman, but that's another red herring.  You don't need to go to
NWA to understand that it doesn't take that much work or money to
collect adequate find data, at least on top of the amount of time and
money it takes to find a meteorite in the first place.  You take the
GPS and hit "mark waypoint" and take a piece of tape with a number
written on it and stick it to the stone.  Not hard.
It would take a few hundred GPS units, though - at a cost of probably
$50k or so.
- A drop in the bucket when you look at the net worth of the
meteorites that have come out of NWA in the past decade.

> Wherefrom the heck shall they know, how much paired material is around?
> Especially if it takes often up to 2 years until a number is published in
> the Bulletin? Man, take a look to the numbers, sometimes it takes many
> years, until an additional stone surfaces. Don't you even know famous NWA
> 011 - there are now pairings close to the 5000er numbers. Yeeeeeears
> inbetween. Or NWA 722 up to Anoual and even later!!

Ok.  It would take a few years.  The data would still be there and not
lost.  Yes.  True.
And I think that would be better than no data at all.
You're really not much of a scientist, are you?

> And do me a favour and show me the multimillionaires, who made their
fortune
> with meteorites, no matter if they used shady tricks or not to betray you.
> I know only one, unfortunately a fictitious one: William Barriere from the
> Anti-dealer propaganda comic strips from Canada.

Never heard of him, but...again, you're just taking everything I said
to the absolute extreme.
No one made millions of dollars overnight, but many dealers exploited
the system to obtain hundreds of kilograms of undocumented stones
(myself included), picked out the rare material, and sold it to make a
profit.
If documentation were actually going on, and stones were coming out of
NWA, at, say, 1/10 the rate they did (there's no reason for such a
substantial decrease in rates, but let's suppose....), either prices
would have been ten times what they were or dealers would have made
less money.

That's simple math, and I really hope you understand this, because I
don't know how much more clear I can make it.

> Don't take my harshness too personally, had some bad days,
> But I think I can say, we all are soooo sick and tired from that hunter-
and
> dealer-bashing.

It's not hunter-dealer bashing.  It's saying you, and I, and everyone
else screwed up from a scientific point of view.
And that's true.  We lost information because we wanted results fast.
That's bad science.

> Man, they make the dirty work,
> that work, nobody else is willing to do or able to do, neither the public
> willing nor able to pay. Blood, sweat and tears. And they are horribly
> underpaid, seen the performance they deliver day by day and the prices
> having been paid the 200 years before the NWA-rush.

Well I'm glad to hear that you sympathize with them and are now
offering to pay them $1/g for every find they make - more for rare
material.  Pay them well, Martin.  They deserve it.

> The stats and the history prooves that all more than clearly.
> Get scientific, Jason.

All stats and history say is that we could have retrieved the data
that has now been lost if we'd stopped simply buying as meteorites as
possible for as low a price as possible in the hopes of finding rare
ones in the mix and selling those for a profit.

> They do it for science, they do it for the collectors, they do it for you
> and they do it for their enthusiasm, because they are crazy minds.

The Moroccans?  They're not doing it for the science, they're doing it
for the money.  And the collectors (myself included) are the people
with a bit of that to trade for a rock, so I guess they're out there
for me, too, yeah.  But while a few of them may be interested in the
science of it,that's just a tad romantic.  You might as well say that
Chinese coal-miners are down there in the mines because they want to
make sure that Los Angeles gets its power.  And while that's
indirectly true, you're taking things a bit far.
Don't get me wrong - I know of several Moroccan dealers who are very
into the science of it, at least as much as the average list-member,
and maybe more.  But...hell, many, if not most hunters in Europe and
the US aren't really hunting for the science of it either.  Sure they
hope to find a rare stone, but it's not because they want to further
our knowledge of the solar system.  They want to make money, and
generally, be recognized for their achievement.  You know that's true.

> They delivered the bulk of all meteorites on Earth, the very recent years
in
> volumes and in a diversity, nobody could have imagined even only 10 years
> before,

Still more from Antarctica.  Give it a year or so and you'll be right,
but that's not true as of right now.
I guess you might be right if you take into account common chondrites
sitting in boxes and bins that will likely never get classified, but
those are lost to science, so I don't see how you could reasonably
include them in your estimate.

> and they drove the prices underground seen the last 200 years, making
> meteorites available to each and every scientist and collector, and to
> everybody of good will, saving the public and science millions, millions
and
> millions of funds, which are urgently needed elsewhere in meteoritic
> research.

Which isn't to say that the same things wouldn't have happened if they
hadn't been taking coordinates, and the process had taken maybe ten,
twenty, fifty, or a hundred more years.  It's not like the meteorites
would disappear - but the find information is *gone.*

> And therefore we all are more than fed up with this perseverative
> reproaches, which really ignorant people like so much to heap on the
> dealers, the hunters, the collectors.

I'm included in that lot, don't worry.  I know my place.
But, as a scientist, I'm pointing out that we acted hastily and in so
doing, lost a hell of a lot of valuable information.
And that's true.  And I've said it ten bloody times.
This is getting frustrating.

> When will they do their homework, when will they get mature...
> We're writing the year 2010.
> Yaha, Ward, Nininger, Zeitschel... yes, they were disregarded as wretches
> too. Haven't we learned since?

Well, I don't know.  Ward and Nininger carefully noted where each of
their finds were made.  Zeitschel, I don't know...but we're all really
to blame for perpetuating this continued loss of scientific
information.

> Jason, check it out, where would we be today without the private sector,
> which you blame, to act so unscientifically.
> What for and how many meteorites would we have in the institutes and
museums
> at all without them?

Fewer, but again.  The meteorites wouldn't disappear, and they're a
limited resource.  There's a finite amount of information there, and
we lost a substantial portion of it.  Yes, fewer meteorites would be
available to science, but what I'm saying os that even if it took 100
more years, in the end, we would have more information.  We've
destroyed a large part of it, and we can't get it back.  Yep, saying
it again.  Go figure.

> How many publications we would have without them?
> How many billions more would we have had to spend to get the same
material?
> What for meteorites at all would be there.

Probably just as many.  It's not like we would have run out of things
to study in known meteorites, and over time, we would have more
information to add to what we have today.  It would simply take
longer.

You don't seem to understand that there aren't an unlimited number of
meteorites in the world, and that when data is lost, it's lost for
good.

When you understand that, you will be able to comprehend what I'm saying.
Until then, there's really nothing I can say to you regarding this
issue that will make any sense.

> What would we do know without them about the solar system, about planetary
> bodies and their formation. About the origin of the sun, the age and the
> composition of the Earth. About the formation of planets around other
stars.
> About the possibility of life in space
> and finally about ourselves?

Maybe a little bit less, but in time we would *undoubtedly* come to
know more, because we wold ultimately have more meteorites to work
with and better distribution information, which might tell us other
things.
If we had taken longer to recover the meteorites, yes, we would have
fewer of them now, but...they're not going anywhere.

Whether I go to a lakebed to hunt tomorrow or ten years from now, that
meteorite will still be there.  But if I go tomorrow and pick it up
without taking coordinates, in ten years, I won't know where to go to
find more, and no one will know where it was found.  That's what I'm
saying.
And we could have done better as a community to keep that loss of
information from happening many thousands of times over.  And you, and
I, and everyone else, didn't.  That's all I'm saying.  I'm not
pointing my finger at anyone - or at least if I am, it's pointed at
me, too.  And I know my reasoning is pretty sound, and that you're
entire tirade was misdirect, misinformed, and generally misleading.
So...I'm content with leaving things here.


> Think well, Jason,
> and then be happy and grateful,
> that there are still persons willing to do that job.

I'd ask the same of you in the future.  And perhaps you, as a dealer,
will pay those hard workers the money they deserve for the specimens
they bring you, since you're apparently underpaying them at the
moment.

Jason


>




From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Tue Jan 19 15:10:47 2010
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:10:47 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <OF9C423D66.8D32FD53-ON052576B0.0059FAB1@usgs.gov>
References: <OF9C423D66.8D32FD53-ON052576B0.0059FAB1@usgs.gov>
Message-ID: <000a01ca9943$7f99b9c0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

I really beg your pardon.

Do you really believe that one field season of Ansmet cost the tax-payer not
more than 600,000$ ??

Here, inflation... just an example, alone NASA, gave from 2002 on a grant to
ANSMET of 650,000$ a year for 3 years, additionally to the NSF-funds.
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2002/G/20021870.html


NSF alone spends this season 7.5 million USD for the tractor train of the
South Pole traverse, 3 millions for additional field equipment, 5 millions
for new airfield vehicles at the McMurdo station, as well as 3 million to
improve the heating system. 3.3 millions for transportation of people and
cargo, 1.7 million for emergency vehicles. 5.0 million for two new fuel
tanks, and so on....

It costs, what it costs.





-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff
Grossman
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Januar 2010 17:23
An: Meteorite-list
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions

I can now report with some authority that the total cost of 30+ years 
of collecting by ANSMET has been in the range of $20 
million.  Considering the record of scientific achievements that has 
been built on this collection of 20,000 specimens, I would have to 
say it has been a bargain.

Jeff

>>Make your homework. How many different meteorites do we have from 
>>Antarctica after a third of a century hunting and spending billions 
>>of USD? 7000.
>This statement, appearing in some of the recent emails, is 
>wrong.  There are over 16,000 classified meteorites from the ANSMET 
>expeditions, plus a few thousand unclassified.  Counting the 
>Japanese, Chinese,European,
>Korean, and minor collections, There ~27,000 classified Antarctic 
>meteorites, and probably close to 20,000 not yet classified (mostly 
>in the Japanese and Chinese collections).  And where in the world 
>did this figure of billions of dollars being spent by the US to 
>collect its 20,000 meteorites come from?
>
>Also, don't overlook the fact that Antarctic meteorite have proven 
>to be vastly more valuable scientifically than NWA meteorites.  They 
>probably occur as subjects of scientific publications at >10x the 
>frequency as NWA meteorites (I posted statistics on this some years 
>ago, but can't locate it at the moment).  This is because the main 
>masses are well curated.
>
>Jeff


Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman       phone: (703) 648-6184
US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
954 National Center
Reston, VA 20192, USA


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From gsac at gmx.net  Tue Jan 19 15:23:04 2010
From: gsac at gmx.net (Alexander Seidel)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:23:04 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pairing discussion/questions
In-Reply-To: <000601ca993a$9d56ba20$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
References: <SNT117-W10A7BAF8CDD8B8333D9B26D2660@phx.gbl>
	<550033.39458.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<93aaac891001181357w7dc3fcb0h8a7a1e085062e18f@mail.gmail.com>
	<006e01ca98aa$2660a290$07b22959@name86d88d87e2><93aaac891001182343w3ef16f75m62da0b298afef36a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B55A988.1000802@usgs.gov>
	<000601ca993a$9d56ba20$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>
Message-ID: <20100119202304.39470@gmx.net>

High-grade, profound discussion apart from certain personal disagreements. There surely is more to it than what just meets the eye, regarding the bottom line.

Keep on talking, guys. I am discovering valid arguments on both ends of the rope here, and can only hope that the discussion will be more refined as time goes on.

This is not boring or unneeded at all - this is an overdue conversation which I (and others) are pleased to listen to, and may be, even interfere at a point. 

For the benefit not only of a hobby (P.S.: I am just a collector, and neither a dealer nor a meteorite scientist), but for an overall good development of the field of meteoritics from a broader perspective, and in historical context and continuity.

Alex
Berlin/Germany


From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 19 17:06:36 2010
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:06:36 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Pairing Discussions-Still Looking for
	Answers
Message-ID: <COL108-W551BB7A31ECC4FEE7FE3159B650@phx.gbl>


Hi Thomas, All,

You've brought up some good points. I had asked a similar question several months ago but got mostly silence. Based on what was mentioned earlier, only the stones that were originally collected and classified can be called NWA 869. So like what Thomas said, all others should have the designation of Probably paired with NWA 869 or NWA 869 paired. I'm sure there are more pairings but NWA 787/900 are the only ones I can find (see Jeff Kuykens' website):
http://www.meteorites.com.au/nwa869/

But also, note NWA 869 is from a known strewnfield in the Tindouf, Algeria area. Maybe, like the Franconia strewnfield, dealers and collectors are relatively sure these are what they claim it is? See also what Eric Twelker says in his website:
http://www.meteoritemarket.com/NWA869.htm

Any thoughts anyone? Thomas and I would like to hear more from others on this.

Carl



Thomas wrote:
>> I think I understand the reasoning behind what has been put
>> forth in this discussion so far and abide with it in my own
>> dealings, however, I must wonder why practically everyone on
>> the list who deals in meteorites has not had their "probably
>> paired with" NWA 869 stones classified with a new number
>> rather than just listing them as NWA 869 even though they
>> bought them as unclassified and "probably paired
>> with".? Is there some hypocrisy here?? Is it OK to
>> make an eyeball pairing with 869 but not other NWA's??
>> Does no one care on this one simply because there is so much
>> of it, so the rule does not apply?? Could it be that no
>> one cares about getting a new number and classification if
>> it's a meteorite that sells for pennies per gram, but if it
>> sells for many dollars or hundreds of dollars per gram, then
>> it becomes important?? ...
 		 	   		  
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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 18:12:06 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:12:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NatGeo Channel "Ancient Asteroid"
Message-ID: <225897.17064.qm@web113615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

For those of you who have the National Geographic Channel, I just noticed that their program "Ancient Asteroid", which is a program about Libyan Desert Glass and its origins, will be re-broadcast tonight.

I see it will also be re-run again on Sunday and once more next Tuesday

Here's the show's website.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/ancient-asteroid-2671/Overview


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


      


From gmhupe at htn.net  Tue Jan 19 18:26:19 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:26:19 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lucky 13 Auctions Ending - AD
Message-ID: <5921A1F4930C4F58A3B4F4FC20D332F2@Gregor>

Dear List Members,

In about 24 hours you will find 13 meteorite auctions of mine ending on 
eBay, all under seller name, NaturesVault. There will be 13 Lucky Winners 
this week of some pretty neat items! All can be found here, and as 
anticipated, many still at the 99-cent opening price: 
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A couple Highlights:
NWA 1877 Olivine Diogenite, this week's talk of the town as for Pairing 
Coat-Tailers to this Original Class!
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NWA 1879 Mesosiderite 60g Slice (Almost Out!)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350304899780&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
NWA 2828 Paleo EL3 (This is the one Al Haggounia is paired to, definitely 
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NWA 4800 CK5 End Cut (LAST ONE!)
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NWA 4930 'Paired' Martian Individual
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Bassikounou Individual w/ 100% Fusion Crust
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170432076097&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
Muonionalusta 315g Complete Slice (LAST SLICE I HAVE!)
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Best regards,
Greg

====================
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gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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From starsandscopes at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 18:54:48 2010
From: starsandscopes at aol.com (starsandscopes at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:54:48 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Paper on chondrule formation and synthetic
	chondrules
Message-ID: <153f0.5e7ebe00.3887a048@aol.com>



Hi List,  I thought some of you might enjoy this portion of a science  
paper on meteorite chondrules.  It is part of a paper on microscopes posted  in 
Molecular Expressions (An online microscope site)  The first half of the  
paper is on microscopes so many of you will want to skip that part.
Tom  Phillips

PHOTOMICROGRAPHY IN THE
GEOLOGICAL SCIENCES 
Michael W.  Davidson
Institute of Molecular Biophysics
Center for Materials Research  and Technology (MARTECH)
National High Magnetic Field Laboratory  (NHMFL)
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute (SCRI)
Florida State  University, Tallahassee, Florida 32306
Telephone: 850-644-0542 Fax:  850-644-8920

Gary E. Lofgren
Planetary Materials Branch
Solar  System Exploration Division
Code SN2
NASA Johnson Space Center
Houston,  Texas 77058
Telephone: 713-483-6187 Fax: 713-483-2696

The whole  article is at 
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/publications/pages/journal.html  



Chondrules are small spheres (.1 to 10mm in diameter) which are  the major 
constituent of chondritic meteorites. Chondrites are considered  samples of 
primitive solar system materials. If we can understand how chondrules  form, 
we will have an important clue to the early history of our solar system.  
Most chondrules have an igneous texture which forms by crystal growth 
(usually  rapid) from a supercooled melt. Such textures are commonly described as  
porphyritic (large, equant crystals in a fine grained matrix), barred 
(dendrites  comprised of parallel thin blades or plates), or radiating (sprays of 
fine  fibers).
The models proposed for formation of chondrules can be divided into  two 
groups (McSween, 1977). In one group of models, chondrules form by melting  
and subsequent crystallization of preexisting, largely crystalline material 
from  the solar nebula. The primary differences between these models are the 
kinds of  materials which are melted and the nature of the sources of heat 
for the  melting. In the other group of models, chondrules form by 
condensation of  liquids from the solar nebula gas which then crystallize upon cooling. 
 Variations between these models result from differences in the 
condensation  sequence of the minerals and melts and the temperatures of nucleation.
One  means of testing models of chondrule formation is to determine the 
conditions  necessary to duplicate these textures by experimentally 
crystallizing chondrule  melts in the laboratory. Efforts to reproduce the textures of 
chondrules  experimentally have been successful only when we began to 
understand the  important role that heterogeneous nucleation plays in the 
development of igneous  rock textures. Unless heterogeneous nuclei are present in 
the chondrule melt,  porphyritic textures will not be produced. The dendritic 
or radiating textures  will form instead.
The treatment of heterogeneous nucleation follows the  model developed by 
Turnbull (1950) to explain many of the characteristics of  heterogeneous 
nucleation. This model was applied to heterogeneous nucleation in  basaltic 
systems by Lofgren (1983). Simply stated, the model says that in any  
steady-state melt at a given temperature there is a characteristic distribution  of 
embryos. The embryo is crystalline material which is smaller than the  
critical size necessary to be a stable nucleus and cause nucleation. It is a  
subcritical-sized potential heterogeneous nucleus. Embryos exist whether stable,  
supercritically-sized nuclei are present or not. If a melt is sufficiently  
superheated, embryos can be eliminated. Nucleation would then require a 
surface,  presumably the container and the barrier to nucleation would be much 
higher than  in the case where embryos were present. Qualitatively, such 
nucleation would  resemble homogeneous nucleation; but, if a surface is 
available, the energy  barrier would be much lower than for homogeneous nucleation. 
Glasses would form  from chondrule melts most readily if they are 
superheated, thus destroying the  embryos and increasing the barrier to nucleation. 
Lower melting temperatures  would allow embryos to be retained. These can 
then grow upon cooling and become  nuclei. Embryos also can become nuclei 
without changing size, because the size  at which an embryo becomes a nucleus 
depends upon the degree of supercooling in  the melt. Thus, an increase in the 
degree of supercooling can cause an embryo to  become a nucleus and 
nucleation to occur.
If relict crystals are present in  the melt at the initiation of cooling, 
the more equilibrium-like crystals  typical of porphyritic textures are 
formed. When such experiments are quenched,  the final product contains glass or 
fine grained material, often dendritic,  enclosing the equilibrium 
phenocrysts. An example of this texture produced in  experiments is shown in Figure 
7. Equant, well formed crystals of olivine are  set in a glassy matrix with a 
few dendrites present. In the natural prophyritic  chondrule the glass has 
usually crystallized to a very fine grained material. In  general, the size 
of the phenocrysts decreases and their number increases as the  temperature 
at which the crystalline starting material melted is lowered and  thus the 
number of nuclei increases. The range of conditions that control the  
development of porphyritic texture has been studied as a function of variations  in 
the number, distribution, and kinds of heterogeneous nuclei (Lofgren and  
Russell, 1986; Lofgren, 1989). The transition from porphyritic texture to 
radial  or barred (dendritic) texture for melts of constant composition has 
been studied  as a function of the presence or absence of heterogeneous nuclei 
and cooling  rate. Such variations in texture within a single melt have 
already been  demonstrated for melts of lunar and terrestrial basalt composition 
(Lofgren,  1980, 1983; Grove and Beatty, 1980).
The "classic" barred olivine texture is  a single plate dendrite 
(Donaldson, 1976) which shares the entire chondrule with  the remaining glass or 
subsequent crystallization products. Olivine rimming the  chondrule is often in 
optical continuity with the dendrite and thus is part of  the plate dendrite. 
Because this texture is so striking, barred olivine (BO)  chondrules are 
well known even to people outside the field of meteorites. When  chondrules 
are discussed, a photomicrograph of a barred olivine texture is  usually 
chosen as one of a few or even the only example. It is not surprising  that 
considerable effort has been expended understanding its origin. Barred  olivine 
textures comprise only a few percent of melt-textured chondrules,  usually 
less than 5% (Gooding and Keil, 1981). The "classic" barred texture  
represents only 10% of the type 3 ordinary chondrite BO chondrules. By careful  
study, Weisberg (1987) determined that the multiple plate dendrite is a much  
more common that the single dendrite. Most investigators propose that BO  
chondrules form from melt droplets that crystallize rapidly upon  cooling.
Attempts to duplicate BO textures experimentally showed that it is  
difficult to produce the "classic" single dendrite chondrule; conversely,  multiple 
plate dendrites are observed commonly in experimental charges (Lofgren  and 
Lanier, 1990). It turns out to be very difficult to restrict nucleation to 
a  single event. An example of a barred dendrite is shown in Figure 8. Each  
dendrite is a series of parallel plates connected in the third dimension 
with  respect to the plane of the thin section. The dendrite forms when nuclei 
are  eliminated from the melt and only embryos remain. If the melt is 
cooled rapidly  and does not crystallize, it becomes supercooled and embryos 
eventually become  stable nuclei. When an olivine nucleus begins to grow, it 
will become a dendrite  if the supercooling is sufficiently high.
These experiments clearly  demonstrate the crystalline material must be 
present in the solar nebula when  the chondrules form and suggests that they 
did not form by direct condensation  from vapors in the solar nebula. 
Individual crystals most likely formed first  and these were remelted in clusters to 
form the chondrules. An interesting fact  that has come out of these 
studies is that the rate at which the melt droplets  cool is not critical. They 
can cool at nearly the same rate and produce either  the porphyritic texture 
if nuclei are present when cooling is initiated, or form  dendrites (barred) 
chondrules if only embryos are present. The important factor  is how hot the 
droplets become before they begin to cool and thus whether they  retain any 
crystalline precursor material to act as nuclei or whether nuclei  have to 
form from embryos. If the melt droplets are heated hot enough that even  the 
embryos are eliminated, the droplets usually do not crystallize when cooled 
 and form glass chondrules. Glass chondrules are rare and this places an 
upper  temperature limit to which the melt droplets are heated which is 
approximately  1650?C. A minimum melting temperataure of 1550?C is dictated by the 
minimum  amount of melting required to produce the observed textures. It is 
still not  clear, however, what heat source provides such conditions (Wood, 
1988). A  popular model is heating due to viscous drag on particles as they 
move through  dense parts of the solar nebula as proposed by Wood (1984
Chemical analysis  of chondrites (Wasson, 1974) indicates that there is a 
variety in their  composition leading us to believe that they are not all 
derived from a common  source. Most chondrites are composed primarily of 
olivine, feldspar,  orthopyroxene, with several metals including kamacite and 
taenite. Continuing  studies on the chemical and physical nature of chondrites 
and their formation is  providing insight into the history of the solar 
system.
 


From whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 19:28:16 2010
From: whitefalcons007 at yahoo.com (Dave Myers)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:28:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Paper on chondrule formation and synthetic
	chondrules
In-Reply-To: <153f0.5e7ebe00.3887a048@aol.com>
Message-ID: <297758.37666.qm@web110104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks,

That info. is great! I love the CV3 and the LL3-6, That show hundreds of chondrules,  I even like them better than stoney-irons! There 2nd!
Only wish I could aford them! ..LOL  

Thanks for the info.

Dave Myers



--- On Tue, 1/19/10, starsandscopes at aol.com <starsandscopes at aol.com> wrote:

> From: starsandscopes at aol.com <starsandscopes at aol.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Paper on chondrule formation and synthetic chondrules
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 11:54 PM
> 
> 
> Hi List,? I thought some of you might enjoy this
> portion of a science? 
> paper on meteorite chondrules.? It is part of a paper
> on microscopes posted? in 
> Molecular Expressions (An online microscope site)? The
> first half of the? 
> paper is on microscopes so many of you will want to skip
> that part.
> Tom? Phillips
> 
> PHOTOMICROGRAPHY IN THE
> GEOLOGICAL SCIENCES 
> Michael W.? Davidson
> Institute of Molecular Biophysics
> Center for Materials Research? and Technology
> (MARTECH)
> National High Magnetic Field Laboratory? (NHMFL)
> Supercomputer Computations Research Institute (SCRI)
> Florida State? University, Tallahassee, Florida 32306
> Telephone: 850-644-0542 Fax:? 850-644-8920
> 
> Gary E. Lofgren
> Planetary Materials Branch
> Solar? System Exploration Division
> Code SN2
> NASA Johnson Space Center
> Houston,? Texas 77058
> Telephone: 713-483-6187 Fax: 713-483-2696
> 
> The whole? article is at 
> http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/publications/pages/journal.html?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Chondrules are small spheres (.1 to 10mm in diameter) which
> are? the major 
> constituent of chondritic meteorites. Chondrites are
> considered? samples of 
> primitive solar system materials. If we can understand how
> chondrules? form, 
> we will have an important clue to the early history of our
> solar system.? 
> Most chondrules have an igneous texture which forms by
> crystal growth 
> (usually? rapid) from a supercooled melt. Such
> textures are commonly described as? 
> porphyritic (large, equant crystals in a fine grained
> matrix), barred 
> (dendrites? comprised of parallel thin blades or
> plates), or radiating (sprays of 
> fine? fibers).
> The models proposed for formation of chondrules can be
> divided into? two 
> groups (McSween, 1977). In one group of models, chondrules
> form by melting? 
> and subsequent crystallization of preexisting, largely
> crystalline material 
> from? the solar nebula. The primary differences
> between these models are the 
> kinds of? materials which are melted and the nature of
> the sources of heat 
> for the? melting. In the other group of models,
> chondrules form by 
> condensation of? liquids from the solar nebula gas
> which then crystallize upon cooling. 
>  Variations between these models result from differences in
> the 
> condensation? sequence of the minerals and melts and
> the temperatures of nucleation.
> One? means of testing models of chondrule formation is
> to determine the 
> conditions? necessary to duplicate these textures by
> experimentally 
> crystallizing chondrule? melts in the laboratory.
> Efforts to reproduce the textures of 
> chondrules? experimentally have been successful only
> when we began to 
> understand the? important role that heterogeneous
> nucleation plays in the 
> development of igneous? rock textures. Unless
> heterogeneous nuclei are present in 
> the chondrule melt,? porphyritic textures will not be
> produced. The dendritic 
> or radiating textures? will form instead.
> The treatment of heterogeneous nucleation follows the?
> model developed by 
> Turnbull (1950) to explain many of the characteristics
> of? heterogeneous 
> nucleation. This model was applied to heterogeneous
> nucleation in? basaltic 
> systems by Lofgren (1983). Simply stated, the model says
> that in any? 
> steady-state melt at a given temperature there is a
> characteristic distribution? of 
> embryos. The embryo is crystalline material which is
> smaller than the? 
> critical size necessary to be a stable nucleus and cause
> nucleation. It is a? 
> subcritical-sized potential heterogeneous nucleus. Embryos
> exist whether stable,? 
> supercritically-sized nuclei are present or not. If a melt
> is sufficiently? 
> superheated, embryos can be eliminated. Nucleation would
> then require a 
> surface,? presumably the container and the barrier to
> nucleation would be much 
> higher than? in the case where embryos were present.
> Qualitatively, such 
> nucleation would? resemble homogeneous nucleation;
> but, if a surface is 
> available, the energy? barrier would be much lower
> than for homogeneous nucleation. 
> Glasses would form? from chondrule melts most readily
> if they are 
> superheated, thus destroying the? embryos and
> increasing the barrier to nucleation. 
> Lower melting temperatures? would allow embryos to be
> retained. These can 
> then grow upon cooling and become? nuclei. Embryos
> also can become nuclei 
> without changing size, because the size? at which an
> embryo becomes a nucleus 
> depends upon the degree of supercooling in? the melt.
> Thus, an increase in the 
> degree of supercooling can cause an embryo to? become
> a nucleus and 
> nucleation to occur.
> If relict crystals are present in? the melt at the
> initiation of cooling, 
> the more equilibrium-like crystals? typical of
> porphyritic textures are 
> formed. When such experiments are quenched,? the final
> product contains glass or 
> fine grained material, often dendritic,? enclosing the
> equilibrium 
> phenocrysts. An example of this texture produced in?
> experiments is shown in Figure 
> 7. Equant, well formed crystals of olivine are? set in
> a glassy matrix with a 
> few dendrites present. In the natural prophyritic?
> chondrule the glass has 
> usually crystallized to a very fine grained material.
> In? general, the size 
> of the phenocrysts decreases and their number increases as
> the? temperature 
> at which the crystalline starting material melted is
> lowered and? thus the 
> number of nuclei increases. The range of conditions that
> control the? 
> development of porphyritic texture has been studied as a
> function of variations? in 
> the number, distribution, and kinds of heterogeneous nuclei
> (Lofgren and? 
> Russell, 1986; Lofgren, 1989). The transition from
> porphyritic texture to 
> radial? or barred (dendritic) texture for melts of
> constant composition has 
> been studied? as a function of the presence or absence
> of heterogeneous nuclei 
> and cooling? rate. Such variations in texture within a
> single melt have 
> already been? demonstrated for melts of lunar and
> terrestrial basalt composition 
> (Lofgren,? 1980, 1983; Grove and Beatty, 1980).
> The "classic" barred olivine texture is? a single
> plate dendrite 
> (Donaldson, 1976) which shares the entire chondrule
> with? the remaining glass or 
> subsequent crystallization products. Olivine rimming
> the? chondrule is often in 
> optical continuity with the dendrite and thus is part
> of? the plate dendrite. 
> Because this texture is so striking, barred olivine
> (BO)? chondrules are 
> well known even to people outside the field of meteorites.
> When? chondrules 
> are discussed, a photomicrograph of a barred olivine
> texture is? usually 
> chosen as one of a few or even the only example. It is not
> surprising? that 
> considerable effort has been expended understanding its
> origin. Barred? olivine 
> textures comprise only a few percent of melt-textured
> chondrules,? usually 
> less than 5% (Gooding and Keil, 1981). The "classic" barred
> texture? 
> represents only 10% of the type 3 ordinary chondrite BO
> chondrules. By careful? 
> study, Weisberg (1987) determined that the multiple plate
> dendrite is a much? 
> more common that the single dendrite. Most investigators
> propose that BO? 
> chondrules form from melt droplets that crystallize rapidly
> upon? cooling.
> Attempts to duplicate BO textures experimentally showed
> that it is? 
> difficult to produce the "classic" single dendrite
> chondrule; conversely,? multiple 
> plate dendrites are observed commonly in experimental
> charges (Lofgren? and 
> Lanier, 1990). It turns out to be very difficult to
> restrict nucleation to 
> a? single event. An example of a barred dendrite is
> shown in Figure 8. Each? 
> dendrite is a series of parallel plates connected in the
> third dimension 
> with? respect to the plane of the thin section. The
> dendrite forms when nuclei 
> are? eliminated from the melt and only embryos remain.
> If the melt is 
> cooled rapidly? and does not crystallize, it becomes
> supercooled and embryos 
> eventually become? stable nuclei. When an olivine
> nucleus begins to grow, it 
> will become a dendrite? if the supercooling is
> sufficiently high.
> These experiments clearly? demonstrate the crystalline
> material must be 
> present in the solar nebula when? the chondrules form
> and suggests that they 
> did not form by direct condensation? from vapors in
> the solar nebula. 
> Individual crystals most likely formed first? and
> these were remelted in clusters to 
> form the chondrules. An interesting fact? that has
> come out of these 
> studies is that the rate at which the melt droplets?
> cool is not critical. They 
> can cool at nearly the same rate and produce either?
> the porphyritic texture 
> if nuclei are present when cooling is initiated, or
> form? dendrites (barred) 
> chondrules if only embryos are present. The important
> factor? is how hot the 
> droplets become before they begin to cool and thus whether
> they? retain any 
> crystalline precursor material to act as nuclei or whether
> nuclei? have to 
> form from embryos. If the melt droplets are heated hot
> enough that even? the 
> embryos are eliminated, the droplets usually do not
> crystallize when cooled 
>  and form glass chondrules. Glass chondrules are rare and
> this places an 
> upper? temperature limit to which the melt droplets
> are heated which is 
> approximately? 1650?C. A minimum melting temperataure
> of 1550?C is dictated by the 
> minimum? amount of melting required to produce the
> observed textures. It is 
> still not? clear, however, what heat source provides
> such conditions (Wood, 
> 1988). A? popular model is heating due to viscous drag
> on particles as they 
> move through? dense parts of the solar nebula as
> proposed by Wood (1984
> Chemical analysis? of chondrites (Wasson, 1974)
> indicates that there is a 
> variety in their? composition leading us to believe
> that they are not all 
> derived from a common? source. Most chondrites are
> composed primarily of 
> olivine, feldspar,? orthopyroxene, with several metals
> including kamacite and 
> taenite. Continuing? studies on the chemical and
> physical nature of chondrites 
> and their formation is? providing insight into the
> history of the solar 
> system.
>  
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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 20:20:48 2010
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:20:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (ad) half off on everytning
Message-ID: <403916.29367.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I really want to move these pieces so they are all half off from the price I gave them.The 60 gram unclassed L3 type is sold.So off list and free shipping.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! chicagometeorites.net/ 


From tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com  Tue Jan 19 20:57:42 2010
From: tommy2005 at hvc.rr.com (Tom Randall (KB2SMS))
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:57:42 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Space rocks land tourists in Sudanese jail
Message-ID: <DA303C85-4276-4380-9D6A-488364519DD8@hvc.rr.com>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/20/2796743.htm


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From pshugar at clearwire.net  Tue Jan 19 22:18:17 2010
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:18:17 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Setting
Message-ID: <3C9B8B5AA44349AE8848ABD5AEC7F7C0@laptop>

I can't get this figured out to save my hinnie.
How do you get the list to show your own posts
to the list. 
When I first got on the list about 3 years ago,
I saw my own posts, now nothing.
Many is the time I post to the list, only to
have my post ignored. At least if I can see my posts
then I know they were just ignored instead of never 
making it to the list.

I reiterate, Since Tahoka has never been classified,
would I be out of line to acquire a sample and send it in
to be classified?
Pete



From starsandscopes at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 22:24:09 2010
From: starsandscopes at aol.com (starsandscopes at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:24:09 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Weird Iron Sulfide Barred Chondrule Looking Feature
Message-ID: <1a3f2.7e11e8b2.3887d159@aol.com>



Hi List,  I just ran onto an Iron Sulfide  inclusion in an unclassified 
impact melt.  It is structured like a barred  chondrule.  I have never seen any 
like it before.

Has any one else  seen this feature?

I have some micrographs if any one wants to look just  email me.  I will 
post images to my Gallery but that will likely take some  time and I am 
interested in your observations while I am still working on  it.

Tom Phillips  



From damoclid at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 22:26:57 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:26:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Setting
In-Reply-To: <3C9B8B5AA44349AE8848ABD5AEC7F7C0@laptop>
Message-ID: <800999.17120.qm@web113613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Login here:

http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

using the unsubscribe or edit options button at the bottom of the page

Then click on the Yes radio button for the "Receive your own posts to the list?" option.

and then the "Submit my options: button at the bottom of the page.


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net> wrote:

> From: Pete Shugar <pshugar at clearwire.net>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Setting
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 8:18 PM
> I can't get this figured out to save
> my hinnie.
> How do you get the list to show your own posts
> to the list. When I first got on the list about 3 years
> ago,
> I saw my own posts, now nothing.
> Many is the time I post to the list, only to
> have my post ignored. At least if I can see my posts
> then I know they were just ignored instead of never making
> it to the list.
> 
> I reiterate, Since Tahoka has never been classified,
> would I be out of line to acquire a sample and send it in
> to be classified?
> Pete
> 
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 23:21:19 2010
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:21:19 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] PA Fireball Jul09 - Search Update
Message-ID: <f0a794131001192021k5e7d2b0v7249c640fd2140a7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello List,

I just posted a pretty big update on the PA Fireball search (yes I'm
still searching).

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/mason-dixon-update-new-rob-matson-trajectory/

Most of the post is about some AMAZING and very interesting work Rob
Matson did with the fireball data back in November.

The highlights are:
 - improved 3d trajectory based on analysis of high quality videos
 - 12 radar returns detected and back plotted
 - new wind blown coordinates calculated with real jet stream &
surface windspeeds
 - maps of estimated strewn field, observer angles & ground track
 - how to unscientifically plot a fireball using google earth

I came into this new information in November and between the snow and
holidays I have barely scratched the surface on the search area.
Conditions are currently the best they will ever be to hunt down these
meteorites. The majority of the fields are still un-plowed, we have
really good access to these fields until early May. They will start
plowing more than 1/2 of the fields in mid March.

If anyone is still interested in hunting this down or reviewing the
trajectory info contact me and I will send you the Google KMZ and
share all my info with you.

I really want US to find this thing and I haven't given up yet.

Thanks,

Mike

PS I'll be in Tuscon between Feb 2 and Feb 7. If anyone wants to meet
up shoot me an email.


From cynapse at charter.net  Tue Jan 19 23:25:58 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:25:58 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Future meteorites! All you need do is wait a few
	million years.
In-Reply-To: <1a3f2.7e11e8b2.3887d159@aol.com>
References: <1a3f2.7e11e8b2.3887d159@aol.com>
Message-ID: <191dl5p8bfrves9junotaa5bu7jtfuugt2@4ax.com>

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/82074747.html


A Strange "Comet" Among the Asteroids
January 7th's announcement that the LINEAR telescope had spotted a new periodic
comet wasn't all that interesting: a 20th-magnitude blip out in the asteroid
belt in a benign orbit that wouldn't come anywhere near Earth. Designated P/2010
A2 (LINEAR) by the IAU's Minor Planet Center, it was just another notch on the
finderscope for this discovery machine near Socorro, New Mexico, which has
chalked up 77 periodic comets (and a couple hundred one-timers) since coming
online in 1998.

But as other observers chipped in positions over the next week, it became clear
that this was an object worth watching. For one thing, the now-precise orbit was
looking less like a comet's and more like an asteroid's. And images of the
interloper showed a tail growing in length yet without a clearly defined head.
The online chatter got more animated ? just what was this, anyway?

On January 14th, Javier Licandro and others used the Nordic Optical Telescope in
the Canary Islands to get a better view, and they discovered something
completely unexpected: a small asteroid lay 2 arcseconds to P/2010 A2's east and
was moving along with it. Moreover, the "comet" showed no central condensation
and looked more like a narrow dust swarm about 110,000 miles (177,000 km) long.

Licandro quickly enlisted the biggest aperture in the island's observatory
complex: the Gran Telescopio Canarias. Dozens of images taken three days ago
using its immense 34-foot (10.4-m) aperture confirm that the "comet" is being
shadowed. It's hard not to conclude that we are watching the aftermath of a
collision in the asteroid belt. But it's still too early to know for sure.
Licandro and his colleagues are analyzing the GTC images carefully ? and they
hope to make them public soon.

Meanwhile, comet specialists are hoping to observe the strange goings-on with
both the Hubble and Spitzer space telescopes. Neither has been given the green
light yet, but if/when that happens the observations would be made within the
next few days. According to Caltech astronomer William Reach, Spitzer no longer
has the ability to look deep in the infrared, but it can still record at 3.6 and
4.5 microns, where the cometary gases carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide have
strong emissions.


http://www.astroarts.jp/news/2010/01/19linear/p2010a2.jpg


From ironfromthesky.com at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 23:33:51 2010
From: ironfromthesky.com at gmail.com (Robert Ward)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:33:51 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: eBay auctions ending Friday, 2kg Muonio slice,
	52gm Ash Creek, Glorieta Pallasite
Message-ID: <5ddd37461001192033q366e0249w6bd56fd7db490fac@mail.gmail.com>

Hello List members, I have three items ending Friday evening, a 2 Kilo
Muonionalusta slice, a 52.9 gram Ash Creek ( West ) stone, and a 258
gram Glorieta Mountain Pallasite end piece, all are very nice
specimens out of my personal collection. Because of recent
acquisitions, and limited case room for duplicate locations in my
collection I have decided to offer these pieces. Please check out the
items on this page. ?Robert Ward
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=ironfromthesky


From pshugar at clearwire.net  Tue Jan 19 23:57:34 2010
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:57:34 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test
Message-ID: <3B7BFC13B21347A0A7A561AE152C1886@laptop>

Test--Please delete
Pete



From mlblood at cox.net  Tue Jan 19 23:54:19 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:54:19 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Tucson Meteorite Auction Final Call (AD)
In-Reply-To: <191dl5p8bfrves9junotaa5bu7jtfuugt2@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <C77BCC7B.AD71%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi All,
        This is the final call for entries (MUST be of high quality)
Before I create the PRINTABLE edition of the Catalog within
The next couple of days.

        ALSO: Some absentee bids have come in and there is now
Only about a week left for all ABSENTEE BIDS  to be accepted -
send them in NOW, please.

        Though there are only 75 items listed right now, I have always
Had a number of people enter LARGE items the day of the auction.
So, even with "only" 75 items, you can be sure there is going to be
A wide variety of specimens and price ranges.
        Twink is bringing her specimen loaded Gold Basin Cake, food
And drink are available. Come early, have fun....and do I here the
Original Steve Arnold calling out, "I bid a dollar!" ?

        Looking foreword to seeing you there, Michael
    




From michael at rocksfromspace.org  Wed Jan 20 00:47:18 2010
From: michael at rocksfromspace.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 20,
	2010
Message-ID: <37119520.1492531263966438835.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_20_2010.html



From arizonakeith at cox.net  Wed Jan 20 01:49:41 2010
From: arizonakeith at cox.net (Arizona Keith)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:49:41 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Who going to Tucson?
Message-ID: <FA2E4950C90744AEBDFA21B85E992BC6@Keith2>

Hello List

Who's going to Tucson Show this year? Who can I expect to see? 
Hope to see all of you that can make it to this year show.

Keith V.
Chandler AZ


From entropydave at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan 20 02:39:29 2010
From: entropydave at ntlworld.com (Dave Harris)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:39:29 -0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD- KREEP Lunar! NWA 4485
Message-ID: <699E196520C64E4EB4620BF348AF8D36@pitstoppc>

Hi,
Long time lurker here... just a quicky ad for a 0.315g part slice of NWA 
4485 on Fleabay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270518081528&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT


thanks for your interests!



dave harris
IMCA #0092
Sec.BIMS.
www.bimsociety.org



From kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu  Wed Jan 20 02:50:16 2010
From: kowalski at lpl.arizona.edu (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:50:16 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] OSIRIS-REx - One of Three Finalists for Next NASA
	Mission
Message-ID: <4B56B5B8.6060806@lpl.arizona.edu>

A short video interview with Mike Drake, LPL Director and mission PI and Dante 
Lauretta, Deputy PI about the proposed OSIRIS-Rex mission to asteroid 1999 RQ36

http://uanews.org/node/29491



-- 
Richard Kowalski
Catalina Sky Survey
Lunar and Planetary Laboratory
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ  85721


From info at meteorites.com.au  Wed Jan 20 03:37:15 2010
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:37:15 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Millbillillie  slices
Message-ID: <B197614C35F540E98920880FF4CA6048@JeffPC>

Hi all,

I friend of mine will be at the Tucson show with some nice material 
available. He had problems posting to the list and asked me to forward this.

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tomk
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:04 PM
Subject: Millbillillie slices


I will being selling slices  6 inch by 4 inch by 3 mm of Millbillillie 
weighing between 125 to 135 gms
As well as 2 end cuts  weighting 305 gms and 1045 gms   Price $20 US  per gm 
in the Inn Suites r m 136
Opening Monday the 25 th Jan . I will also have small mundrabilla at .50 
cent per gm and Henbury at .70 cents per gm as well as a large range of 
stromatalites as old as 3.42 billion years old (Strelly Pool Chert ). Copies 
of export permits are available for all specimens .
Regards tomk

Tom Kapitany
B.Sc. Geology/Botany
Managing Director
Crystal World & Prehistoric Journeys
Australian Mineral Mines Pty. Ltd.
13 Olive Rd Devon Meadows 3977
Victoria Australia 



From info at niger-meteorite-recon.de  Wed Jan 20 07:26:23 2010
From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de (info at niger-meteorite-recon.de)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:26:23 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
 20, 2010
Message-ID: <2049559940.331390.1263990383387.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxltgw03.schlund.de>

Thrilling find story, great in situ coverage, and an epic specimen indeed.

Thanks for sharing.? ?
?
Svend
?
www.meteorite-recon.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Johnson <michael at rocksfromspace.org>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:18
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 20,
? ? ? ? 2010

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_20_2010.html

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From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 09:00:57 2010
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:00:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] SRPOFTD  1-20-2010
Message-ID: <96291.21781.qm@web57806.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Wow robert and shauna.What a great discovery in the springwater strewnfield.Who would have thought to be looking way up in canada.Great looking piece as well.Wait till everyone hear's about the?this BIG story.And I do mean BIG.Again what an outstanding find.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! chicagometeorites.net/ 


From paul at meteorite.com  Wed Jan 20 11:37:55 2010
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:37:55 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Information Page - Information Needed
Message-ID: <4B573163.4060309@meteorite.com>

Dear List,

We're busy working on our Tucson Information Page and all submitted 
information has been posted.  For those of you who have submitted your 
information a big Thank You and please check your listing for accuracy.

To those Dealers who have not submitted their Tucson information yet, 
please do so I won't clutter you inbox with increasingly more frequent 
requests :-)

Please enter your information on this form.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/tucson/form/

Tucson Information page.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/tucson/

or from current issue of Meteorite-Times
http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite_frame.htm


Thank you very much and we look forward to seeing you soon!

Paul




From ironfromthesky.com at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 12:22:55 2010
From: ironfromthesky.com at gmail.com (Robert Ward)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:22:55 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] SRPOFTD 1-20-2010
Message-ID: <5ddd37461001200922x253293cel35dbe0789af4a7db@mail.gmail.com>

Thank You Steve! The project has had some really incredible moments,
finding a surface piece was quite a thrill! Looking forward to seeing
you in Tucson. Robert Ward


From gmhupe at htn.net  Wed Jan 20 12:33:07 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:33:07 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
	20, 2010
References: <37119520.1492531263966438835.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <A93EE907CBFD4339A6616B77822B46C1@Gregor>

Congratulations to Shauna Russell, Robert Ward, Mike Farmer and Jim Strope 
for their successful Springwater discovery. We will look forward to hearing 
more about the discovery of clues which led you all to the hunting grounds 
which rewarded you with some amazing Springwater meteorites!
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_20_2010.html

Thank you, Michael Johnson for your continued RFSPOD into 2010!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
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www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Johnson" <michael at rocksfromspace.org>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:47 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 
20,2010


> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_20_2010.html
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From meteoritefinder at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 12:39:40 2010
From: meteoritefinder at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:39:40 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD/ website-web site update Imilac full slices
Message-ID: <468bf6051001200939m2ada1c84h2df94e0210290277@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all I have just added 2 killer full slices of Imilac to my site,
they are just tip top pieces and if you can't make it to Tucson here
is a very nice treat to give yourself instead.
http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm  Keep scrolling down
there are many great pieces for your collection in my what's new page.

Of course we are running nice but generally smaller items on Ebay and
you can see them here
http://shop.ebay.com/flattoprocks/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

And here is the link to our second Ebay seller name
http://shop.ebay.com/flatop-2/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

Thanks for looking

-- 
Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
www.meteoritefinder.com
     928-753-6825


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Jan 20 12:53:55 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:53:55 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where's the other one?
Message-ID: <4B574333.4090205@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Listees,

We've all read the articles and seen the photos of P/2010 A2 (the 
"asteroid" impact) Possibly the first ever witnessed and photographed 
asteroid collision in the asteroid belt.

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/82074747.html
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/mpec/K10/K10A32.html
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18415-trail-of-dust-may-point-to-fresh-violence-in-asteroid-belt.html
http://www.astroengine.com/?p=7086

I have a few questions...

If the 110,000 mile long trail of debris is the result of two asteroid 
colliding, where is the other one? Shouldn't there be two trials of 
debris visible? Wouldn't each asteroid have it's own debris trail? Or is 
the trial we are seeing in fact from both because they are not far 
enough away from each other yet to make two distinct trails?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA



From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 13:16:37 2010
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:16:37 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Warm Up Video For Tonight's Premier
Message-ID: <80659e1a1001201016la0d2987va0489b32a08ae5d7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi list,

I just posted a warm up video to tonights Meteorite Men premier.
Called "How to find Meteorites"

Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4ARakSH-AE

video and more on my site:
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/howtofindmeteorites.htm

It is "How the Pros' Find Meteorites" and it attempts to answers real
world questions about meteorite hunting.

Questions like:

1) What type of Metal detector to the pro's use?

2) Do I need to build a giant metal detector?

3) What does a meteorite sound like when using a metal detector?

Etc....

Anyone that is even thinking of finding a meteorite should watch it!

-- 
Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u


From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan 20 13:18:04 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:18:04 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] SRPOFTD 1-20-2010
In-Reply-To: <5ddd37461001200922x253293cel35dbe0789af4a7db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100120181804.S4HYZ.407704.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Rob,

What a great video... not many of us will ever get the chance of finding such a thing and it really gets over the thrill of "being there". Thanks for sharing the experience. Just keep hoping for the same experience at Barwell.

See you in Tucson.

Cheers,

Graham Ensor, Nr Barwell, UK.
---- Robert Ward <ironfromthesky.com at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Thank You Steve! The project has had some really incredible moments,
> finding a surface piece was quite a thrill! Looking forward to seeing
> you in Tucson. Robert Ward
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 13:42:19 2010
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:42:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Warm Up Video For Tonight's Premier
In-Reply-To: <D86DCD62-005D-4585-BA1E-18B564963240@mac.com>
References: <80659e1a1001201016la0d2987va0489b32a08ae5d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<D86DCD62-005D-4585-BA1E-18B564963240@mac.com>
Message-ID: <80659e1a1001201042s6700b572y126c981817938b51@mail.gmail.com>

Gary, and all,

Thanks to all the 50 + list members and others that responded to my
thoughts about a group meteorite hunt. Unfortunately, I have decided
that it would be impossible to do with so many. I really appreciate
all the emails though, I really do! But in an eight hour period it is
just not possible for one guy to teach so many.

I'm sorry to all that had their hopes up......




On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com> wrote:
> Speaking of finding meteorites Ruben, have you given any thought to the group hunt during the Tucson show?
>
> gary
>
> On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Ruben Garcia wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I just posted a warm up video to tonights Meteorite Men premier.
>> Called "How to find Meteorites"
>>
>> Here it is:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4ARakSH-AE
>>
>> video and more on my site:
>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/howtofindmeteorites.htm
>>
>> It is "How the Pros' Find Meteorites" and it attempts to answers real
>> world questions about meteorite hunting.
>>
>> Questions like:
>>
>> 1) What type of Metal detector to the pro's use?
>>
>> 2) Do I need to build a giant metal detector?
>>
>> 3) What does a meteorite sound like when using a metal detector?
>>
>> Etc....
>>
>> Anyone that is even thinking of finding a meteorite should watch it!
>>
>> --
>> Rock On!
>>
>> Ruben Garcia
>>
>> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
>> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
>> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> Gary Fujihara
> Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
> http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html
> (808) 640-9161
>
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u


From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 20 14:41:12 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:41:12 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Celebrate 20 Years of Astronomy at the Museum of
	Natural Sciences
Message-ID: <SNT117-W53E40F4A57F23933EA39F3D2640@phx.gbl>



List:

Anyone who lives in the Raleigh, NC area can bring in a rock and see if it's a meteorite; see the last sentence in the forth paragraph. Perhaps you have one as a doorstop, on a mantel or sitting in the yard somewhere.? Sounds like an enjoyable event to bring the family either way.

Greg S.

http://www.raleigh2.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=1&twindow=Default&mad=No&sdetail=2111&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=2502&hn=raleigh2&he=.com


Celebrate 20 Years of Astronomy at the Museum of Natural Sciences

20.JAN.10
Raleigh -- Come see the big picture ? of the Universe ? as the North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences hosts its 20th annual Astronomy Days event on Saturday, January 30 from 9 am to 5pm and Sunday, January 31 from noon to 5pm. Check out Mars in 3D, view the sun safely through solar telescopes, launch your own rocket and meet live animals of the constellations. You can also meet a live astronaut! Retired space shuttle pilot Susan Kilrain, who has traveled nearly 8 million space miles while circling the globe more than 300 times, will talk about her amazing experiences at noon and 3pm on Saturday. And it?s all free.

NASA joins us again this year to host several educational stations, including: Missions to Mars (with models of the Rover, Phoenix and Sojourner); Saturn and the Cassini Mission; Living on the Moon; Science of the Great Observatories (Hubble, Chandra and Spitzer); and you might even run into Galileo, the father of modern astronomy, in the flesh. NASA is also offering two free educator workshops. One explores how to access and analyze NASA satellite and observatory data from the classroom, and the other explains how to develop inquiry-based lessons using educational materials such as NASA eClips. To register, contact Kari Wouk at 919-733-7450 x502; kari.wouk at ncdenr.gov .

The Raleigh Astronomy Club, co-sponsors of the event, will host several stations including new ones on Internet Astronomy and Solar System Imaging. Enjoy universally appealing presentations from representatives of NASA?s Goddard Space Flight Center, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute and the Robeson Planetarium. Kids of all ages can build and take home their own Saturn, gawk at the giant model rockets from the Tripoli Rocketry Association, or step into the inflatable star projection dome courtesy of the Morehead Planetarium and Science Center.

Visitors can also check the progress of TeamSTELLAR and their pursuit of the Google Lunar X Prize, a $30 million international competition to safely land a robot on the surface of the Moon; meet members of ?The Weightless Lumbees,? a team of students from UNC Pembroke and UNC Charlotte selected by NASA to conduct scientific experiments aboard reduced-gravity aircraft; discover the difference between a meteorite and a meteorwrong (eg. slag) and bring your own sample in for identification; or learn how space weather impacts your daily life.

The North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences, located at 11 West Jones Street in downtown Raleigh, documents and interprets the natural history of the state through exhibits, research, collections, publications and educational programming. Visit us online at naturalsciences.org. Hours: Monday?Saturday, 9am?5pm; Sunday, noon?5pm. General admission is free. The Museum is an agency of the NC Department of Environment and Natural Resources, Dee Freeman, Secretary.
 		 	   		  
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From meteorhntr at aol.com  Wed Jan 20 15:04:06 2010
From: meteorhntr at aol.com (meteorhntr at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:04:06 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
Message-ID: <f9a2.65d9937f.3888bbb6@aol.com>



Hey List,

It is with great pleasure that  I invite all of you to sit down tonight and 
to take a journey to Canada with  Geoff Notkin and myself on Science 
Channel (9pm Eastern) on our first episode of  our first season of "Meteorite Men" 
the Series. 

I haven't seen the  episode myself yet, but some of our friends in the 
production office have, and  it promises to be a fun adventure and (don't tell 
anyone I said this, but) we do  find some meteorites in this episode.  

Geoff and I are keenly aware  that this TV series might be the best 
opportunity for the meteorite collecting  community to put our best foot forward 
and show the world a glimpse into what  makes our passion of collecting so 
exciting.  Of course we have to mix the  geeky science with a little humor and 
drama, or people won't stick around for  the end of the show, and won't come 
back next week.

I want to give a HUGE  amount of credit to our LMNO Productions team.  We 
have had over 95 people  working on this show on the production side, not to 
mention the hundreds of  people working over on the Science Channel and 
Discovery Network to make this  happen.  Millions of dollars have been invested 
to bring this episode to  air, and it is very humbling realizing that while 
Geoff and I have our faces on  screen, NONE of this would be possible 
without the team behind the scenes.  

And, I would be remiss to not take the time to thank ALL of you that  have 
supported me over the last 18 years when I have tried to eek out a living  
in this crazy business.  If it weren't for the scientists who study these  
rocks, if it weren't for the collecting customers that buy a piece here and a  
slice there from me,  tonight would never have become a reality.   

I have to give a huge shout out to Blaine Reed who was my one and only  
customer for the first 6 years of my meteorite career.  In a business of  "buy 
low and sell high," somehow, Blaine had a philosophy of "How much can I  
afford to pay Steve for what he brings me?" as opposed to "How cheap can I get  
these rocks from Steve?"  Blaine, if it weren't for you buddy, I would have 
 been out of this business before I even got into it.  I owe you a big  
Margarita at the Birthday Bash, and every Birthday Bash from here on out.   In 
fact, anyone who likes this show tonight, buy Blaine a drink before you 
offer  me one, ok?

Of course kudos have to go out to THE Meteorite Man Bob Haag,  who blazed a 
trail through a jungle that we all are enjoying the fruits of  now.

Harvey Nininger, Oscar Monnig, Glen Huss, H.O. Stockwell, just to  name a 
few, are pillars that hold the roof over all of our heads now. 

I  have to thank my amazing wife, Qynne, and the two greatest daughters a 
guy could  ever hope to have, Lauren and Kelsey who have shared me and my 
time with this  calling.

A big thanks goes out to Phil Mani who on a gut feeling  supported the 
Brenham adventure a few years back, which was one domino in the  series to fall 
that led to all of this. 

There is a huge amount of credit  and thanks that needs to be extended to 
the 8n8 crew that inadvertently  journeyed with me to the Alpha site several 
years back which ended up being in  our pilot episode.  All of you guys are 
getting your financial return on  the project, but also know from me that 
you guys also deserve a monster sized  "Thank You."  You are appreciated more 
than you will ever know.

And  personally, I have to give the greatest amount of credit to my hunting 
partner  Geoff Notkin. If it weren't for Geoff's talents and true 
gentlemanly qualities,  none of this, and I mean NONE of this would have happened.  
For some  reason, one guy hunting rocks on TV is not enough to make anyone 
take a second  look.  And even two guys hunting for space rocks is not enough  
either.  Geoff's ability to articulate WHY these amazing visitors from  
space are so special adds an element that I don't think anyone else in the  
meteorite world could have been able to do.  Of course there are others  that 
can talk about why meteorites are great, but Geoff will get his fingernails  
dirty, jump in a hole, get excited with the rest of us, and still be able to 
 articulate to the audience why he is, so excited, and why the viewers at 
home  should be too.

You might notice in the written descriptions about the  show where 
sometimes it might say "Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin..." and other  times it will 
say "Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold..." I suppose the powers that  be want to 
give us equal credit in flip flopping our names from time to  time.  And 
while ego might want one's name to show up first, I really do  like it when 
Geoff's name is first, because I know I could be replaced in this  show far 
easier than he ever could.  In fact, I am certain without Geoff,  none of this 
would be remotely possible.  Geoff, thank you.  I am so  proud to count you 
as a dear friend, first, and as a hunting partner  second.  Cheers ol' chap! 

The more that happens, the more I see  that we are one big "organism" that 
depends on itself to sustain itself.  I  found myself so excited for Shauna 
Russell today as I watched the video of her  digging out the Springwater 
meteorite.  Yes, she is a competitor of mine in  our field, but she is also a 
colleague in the field of rescuing these rusting  messengers before it is too 
late.  Congrats Shauna.  We all should be  excited for her.  Competition 
makes us all sharper.  So a big "thank  you" goes out to the other dealers and 
hunters in our community, that compete  with passion with and even against 
us, but still compete fairly.

We live  on a big planet.  There are plenty of meteorites for all of us to  
find.  And the "Meteorite Men" series is undoubtedly going to increase both 
 collectors and hunters alike.  It is my desire that in the end, many more  
meteorites will be found, more collectors will be generated to support the  
expeditions of us all, more kids will be encouraged to follow a vocation of 
 being scientists and more meteoriticists will be entering the field, and 
more  funding will be provided for research, curating and displaying 
meteorites world  wide. 

Our goal isn't to get more of the limited sized pie, but to help  make the 
pie much bigger for us all.

Add everyone up that gets credit for  the new series, and we are easily 
into the thousands.  

It is  Geoff's and my desire that we do you all proud.  Of course, as the 
saying  goes, "If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one."  
So, the  bottom line is: the network wants to please enough people so that 
the  advertising revenues will justify the money invested in the project.    
Some of America will undoubtedly not be impressed.  Some in the meteorite  
world too will undoubtedly not be impressed.  For that we are  sorry.   But, 
we are doing our best, and we want to thank everyone  that has helped make 
tonight a reality.

If I could do it, I would give  ALL of you a Harvey Award!

Cheers!

Steve  Arnold






From dfpens01 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 15:29:42 2010
From: dfpens01 at yahoo.com (David Pensenstadler)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:29:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Mad Anne Ridge" meteorite???
In-Reply-To: <E6519C7DC1874738B0165C72DDDE473B@D190TH71>
Message-ID: <850377.5198.qm@web112311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

For what it's worth:

There are two finds in Allegheny County, near Pittsburgh, PA.  They are:

The Pittsburgh, Coarsest Octahedrite, 6.99% Ni, found in 1850;
The Bradford Woods, Olivine achondrite, 3% metallic iron, found in 1886.

By the way, anyone know where I can purchase any of these?  I know that Yale college had the only known piece of The Pittsburgh.  Most of it was wrought into an iron bar.

Also, if anyone knows where I can get a piece of the other 6 known Pennsylvania meteorites, I would greatly appreciate this info.  They are:

Mount Joy
Bald Eagle
The Serewsbury
New Baltimore
Chicora
Black Moshannon Park

Dave


--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Mad Anne Ridge" meteorite???
> To: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 1:54 AM
> Thanks Jason.
> The material I saw listed Allegeny County in Virginia/West
> Virginia.
> Sounds like the same character though. Interesting tales.
> http://www.ferrum.edu/applit/bibs/tales/MadAnn.htm
> Regardless, the MetBull shows nothing after 1950 in either
> state.
> I'm curious to learn where this guy got his info.
> Linton
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Mad Anne Ridge"
> meteorite???
> 
> 
> > I checked out the ridge - the only references I found
> to a "Mad Anne's
> > Ridge" were somewhere in Allegany County, NY, but the
> only fall within
> > New York that happened within a few decades of the
> 1960's was the
> > Schenectady meteorite, which fell *nowhere* near
> Allegany County - or
> > the town of Allegany (not in said county).? And
> that stone fell in
> > 1968.
> > 
> > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=york&sfor=places&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=United+States&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normal%20table&code=23458
> > 
> > But there's a pretty amusing story as to how the ridge
> got its name here:
> > 
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=4FtIAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=%22Mad+Anne's+Ridge%22+pioneer+days+in+alleghany+county&source=bl&ots=RArBojgFNW&sig=2oLGRSNw5Uz9qLrrUt7649QhlgU&hl=en&ei=cgpVS__oNoLctgO60syFCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Mad%20Anne's%20Ridge%22%20pioneer%20days%20in%20alleghany%20county&f=false
> > 
> > Good old pioneer tales...
> > So either it's a myth or it's unreported.
> > Regards,
> > Jason
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Galactic Stone &
> Ironworks
> > <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Hi Linton and List,
> >> 
> >> Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites doesn't contain
> any entry on that name
> >> or variation of that name.
> >> 
> >> Best regards and clear skies,
> >> 
> >> MikeG
> >> 
> >> On 1/18/10, Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >>> Greetings listoids,
> >>> Someone on another forum (Astromart) asked
> about this alleged meteorite,
> >>> supposed to have fallen in the early '60's.
> I've never heard of it, but that
> >>> doesn't mean much. The MetBull shows no search
> results though, and that
> >>> carries a bit more weight. Has anybody heard
> this name before, or is this
> >>> guy out to lunch?
> >>> Linton
> >>> 
> >>> I'm fairly certain this has nothing to do with
> our beloved friend in
> >>> Colorado. ;^)
> >>> 
> >>>
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From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Jan 20 16:08:36 2010
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 20 Jan 2010 21:08:36 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test, ... please ignore
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000A00000441A@paulinet.de>

Bernd



From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 16:56:36 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:56:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Nice Meteorites for sale
Message-ID: <36325.57945.qm@web46409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hey, hope everyone is doing good.
 
I have some really nice meteorites listed on ebay, some have museum provenance. Also included is the only thin section of NWA 5799 that will likely ever be offered for sale. 

I have some nice slices of the 165g LL breccia stone with multiple inclusions - There is only 3 slices left for sale, then its gone.

Samples include:
Karoonda (CK4) w/ museum provenance
Murchison (CM2)w/ museum provenance
NWA 4734 (Lunar)
Martian Individuals with fusion crust for less the $700 per gram
NWA 5511 (LL5)
Chergach (H5)
Camel Donga (Eucrite)
Tatahouine (Diogenite)
Carancas (H5)

You can see the items here:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1

I will be listing many more over the next few days also.
Thanks for looking!

Greg C.
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA 4682


      


From mikewren at gilanet.com  Wed Jan 20 12:36:24 2010
From: mikewren at gilanet.com (michael cottingham)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:36:24 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Springwater... WOW
Message-ID: <13FB65AF-D13A-42FC-8B4D-9EF329024B33@gilanet.com>

Hello,

Congrats. Great video. I heard you guys found the MAIN MASS. as well  
as many little individuals of Springwater!

WOW!  Biggest thing in meteorites, since Haag's Esquel recovery... no  
doubt. Tell us more...

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham


From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Jan 20 17:21:56 2010
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 20 Jan 2010 22:21:56 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Springwater... WOW
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000009A00004421@paulinet.de>

Michael Cottingham writes: " Congrats. Great video. I heard you guys found
the MAIN MASS as well as many little individuals of Springwater! WOW!
Biggest thing in meteorites, since Haag's Esquel recovery... no doubt."


My hands were trembling and I was getting nervous when Shauna asked for
that digging tool and I was afraid she might either break her finger nails or
that something might happen to the meteoritic treasure she was about to
free from the soil's firm grip!

And then , ... such a beauty, such a find, Oh boy!

Salivatingly and with a lot
of *sincere* congrats!

Bernd

P.S.: Just like several other listees, I would like to thank Michael Johnson for all these
pics, photos, and video sequences. Very much appreciated. Thank you, Michael !!!



From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 20 17:27:37 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:27:37 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
 20, 2010
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References: <37119520.1492531263966438835.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W30AA63EEDAF053E8156BB5D2640@phx.gbl>


Congratulations to all of you on an amazing find.? Very nice!? It's stuff like this that keeps me going back to the field.? What an enjoyable and rewarding hobby.? I look forward to meet and see many of you in Tucson.

Greg S.

----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:18 -0800
> From: michael at rocksfromspace.org
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 20, 2010
>
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_20_2010.html
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From mail at mhmeteorites.com  Wed Jan 20 17:43:08 2010
From: mail at mhmeteorites.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:43:08 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -
	January20, 2010
Message-ID: <1472406814-1264027385-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-649106895-@bda690.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Yes this is sweet news indeed. Well done!! When are those slices going to be ready? :)
Matt
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January20, 2010
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Congratulations to all of you on an amazing find.? Very nice!? It's stuff like this that keeps me going back to the field.? What an enjoyable and rewarding hobby.? I look forward to meet and see many of you in Tucson.

Greg S.

----------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:18 -0800
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>
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From fujmon at mac.com  Wed Jan 20 17:49:01 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:49:01 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day
 -	January20, 2010
In-Reply-To: <1472406814-1264027385-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-649106895-@bda690.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1472406814-1264027385-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-649106895-@bda690.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <0107FFF2-7D69-4F73-B4E2-3627E13BBD09@mac.com>

Ke ho'omaika'i!  Congratulations indeed on a great find.  My guess is they're probably being cut as we speak (write?), and will debut at Tucson.  Esquel, Springwater, ... what other jewels will we see at Tucson this year?

gary

On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Matt Morgan wrote:

> Yes this is sweet news indeed. Well done!! When are those slices going to be ready? :)
> Matt
> ------Original Message------
> From: Greg Stanley
> Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> To: michael at rocksfromspace.org
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January20, 2010
> Sent: Jan 20, 2010 3:27 PM
> 
> 
> Congratulations to all of you on an amazing find.  Very nice!  It's stuff like this that keeps me going back to the field.  What an enjoyable and rewarding hobby.  I look forward to meet and see many of you in Tucson.
> 
> Greg S.
> 
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:18 -0800
>> From: michael at rocksfromspace.org
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 20, 2010
>> 
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(808) 640-9161







From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Wed Jan 20 18:00:42 2010
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 20 Jan 2010 23:00:42 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] Springwater... WOW
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000009900004425@paulinet.de>

Mike Farmer has asked me to forward this to the Met.List:

"Bernd, Can you forward this to the list? Thanks for the email, this is a group project
between Jim Strope, Robert Ward, Shauna Russell, and myself. We will be posting
some more info in a day or two. The fieldwork in Springwater has been underway for
over one and a half years, with thousands of kilometers of gridding cleaning the strewnfield
as we have mapped it. The recovery of the newest Springwater pallasite occurred in spring
2009, 78 years after Nininger purchased the first piece and identified it as an amazing pallasite. 
Work is ongoing, and more news is coming shortly. Michael Farmer"

Best wishes,

Bernd



From nwa482 at comcast.net  Wed Jan 20 18:20:19 2010
From: nwa482 at comcast.net (Jim Strope)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:20:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January20,
 2010
In-Reply-To: <1248836079.13876241264029427556.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1243581433.13877561264029619250.JavaMail.root@sz0057a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Matt, Gary and list.....

This is a project that has been going on since 2008, between Shauna, Mike, Robert, and Myself.  It has been a lot of work but we have made some great friends in Canada.  We are working on an informational website which will be ready in a couple of days or so.  So you will all have more photos and videos to see.  I think it will give a real feel on what this project has been like.

Of course we will all be in Tucson to give you the detailed scoop in person.

Unfortunately that piece in Shauna's video is still in Canada along with other pieces we found.

We do have a limited amount of small pieces, with export papers, which will be available in Mike Farmer's room at the Inn Suites Room 184.  We will photocopy the paperwork for anyone who buys a piece.

It is a long process to abide by Canadian export laws, but it seems to be a fair process for everyone involved... Hunters, Land Owners, and Canada.

Seems like amazing discoveries are being made by many teams lately.  The Arizona fall has been exciting and I can't wait to see "Meteorite Men" tonight.  I am in Tucson right now but I have my DVR set up at home to record it.

See you all in Tucson !!!

Jim Strope 
421 Fourth Street 
Glen Dale, WV ?26038 

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ 


>>> 

>>> 

>>>Yes this is sweet news indeed. Well done!! When are those slices going to be ready? :) 
Matt 



From fallingfusion at wi.rr.com  Wed Jan 20 18:36:10 2010
From: fallingfusion at wi.rr.com (fallingfusion at wi.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:36:10 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Beautiful Juancheng
Message-ID: <20100120233610.29ZAD.16262.root@cdptpa-web06-z01>

Hey list members - here's a question for ya:

How many large, top grade Juancheng stones do you see available nowadays? And if so, under $5/g?

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2302046810104513749DovUEf

197g - 95% fusion crust (signature blu'ish hue) with outstanding thumb-printing.  $980 shipped with payment through Paypal, check, or money order.

Need a quick sale. Thanks!

Ryan




From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Jan 20 18:49:46 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:49:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - January 20, 2010
Message-ID: <201001202349.o0KNnkJo000099@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
January 20, 2010

o New Craters on Mars
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010200_1805

o Megabreccia in Toro Crater
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007767_1970

o Shield Volcano with a Summit Caldera
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_016173_2005

o Colorful Streaks
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_016136_1525

o Candidate Landing Site in NE Syrtis Major
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_015942_1980


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Jan 20 18:52:22 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:52:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Public Invited to Pick Pixels on Mars
Message-ID: <201001202352.o0KNqMo8001239@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Jan. 20, 2010

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington      
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov 

Guy Webster 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
818-354-6278 
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov 

Daniel Stolte 
University of Arizona, Tucson 
520-626-4402 
stolte at email.arizona.edu 

RELEASE: 10-014

PUBLIC INVITED TO PICK PIXELS ON MARS - SCIENTISTS TAKING SUGGESTIONS ON 
WHERE TO IMAGE THE RED PLANET USING NASA SATELLITE

TUCSON, Ariz. -- The most powerful camera aboard a NASA spacecraft 
orbiting Mars will soon be taking photo suggestions from the public. 

Since arriving at Mars in 2006, the High Resolution Imaging Science 
Experiment, or HiRISE, camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter 
has recorded nearly 13,000 observations of the Red Planet's terrain. 
Each image covers dozens of square miles and reveal details as small 
as a desk. Now, anyone can nominate sites for pictures. 

"The HiRISE team is pleased to give the public this opportunity to 
propose imaging targets and share the excitement of seeing your 
favorite spot on Mars at people-scale resolution," said Alfred 
McEwen, principal investigator for the camera and a researcher at the 
University of Arizona. 

The idea to take suggestions from the public follows through on the 
original concept of the HiRISE instrument, when its planners 
nicknamed it "the people's camera." The team anticipates that more 
people will become interested in exploring the Red Planet while their 
suggestions for imaging targets will increase the camera's already 
bountiful science return. Despite the thousands of pictures already 
taken, less than 1 percent of the Martian surface has been imaged. 

Students, researchers and others can view Mars maps using a new online 
tool to see where images have been taken, check which targets already 
have been suggested and make new suggestions. 

"The process is fairly simple," said Guy McArthur, systems programmer 
on the HiRISE team at the University of Arizona. "With the tool, you 
can place your rectangle on Mars where you'd like." 

McArthur developed the online tool, called "HiWish," with Ross Beyer, 
principal investigator and research scientist at NASA's Ames Research 
Center in Moffett Field, Calif., and the SETI Institute in Mountain 
View, Calif. 

In addition to identifying the location on a map, anyone nominating a 
target will be asked to give the observation a title, explain the 
potential scientific benefit of photographing the site and put the 
suggestion into one of the camera team's 18 science themes. The 
themes include categories such as impact processes, seasonal 
processes and volcanic processes. 

The HiRISE science team will evaluate suggestions and put 
high-priority ones into a queue. Thousands of pending targets from 
scientists and the public will be imaged when the orbiter's track and 
other conditions are right. 

HiRISE is one of six instruments on the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. 
Launched in August 2005, the orbiter reached Mars the following year 
to begin a two-year primary science mission. The spacecraft has found 
that Mars has had diverse wet environments at many locations for 
differing durations in the planet's history, and Martian 
climate-change cycles persist into the present era. Mars 
Reconnaissance Orbiter is in an extended science phase and will 
continue to take several thousand images a year. The mission has 
returned more data about Mars than all other spacecraft combined. 

"This opportunity opens up a new path to students and others to 
participate in ongoing exploration of Mars." said the mission's 
project scientist, Rich Zurek of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in 
Pasadena, Calif. 

The University of Arizona Lunar and Planetary Laboratory operates the 
HiRISE camera, which was built by Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp. 
The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is managed by JPL for NASA's Science 
Mission Directorate in Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems is 
the prime contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. 

To make camera suggestions, visit: 

http://uahirise.org/suggest/ 

For more information about the MRO mission, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/mro 
	
-end-



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Jan 20 18:55:47 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:55:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey Listening for Phoenix Lander Hears
	Nothing
Message-ID: <201001202355.o0KNtlWO002339@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=2454  

NASA Orbiter Listening for Phoenix Lander Hears Nothing
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
January 20, 2010

NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter has completed 11 overflights, listening for
the Phoenix Mars Lander on Jan. 19 and 20, without hearing anything from
the lander. Nineteen more listening overflights are planned this week,
and additional attempts in February and March.

The attempts are being made because of the unlikely scenario that
Phoenix has survived Martian arctic winter conditions the spacecraft was
never designed to withstand.

Phoenix landed on Mars on May 25, 2008, and operated successfully about
two months longer than its planned three-month mission near the Martian
north polar region.

Guy Webster, 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov

2010-020



From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Wed Jan 20 20:18:19 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:18:19 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Facebook
Message-ID: <4B57AB5B.7040507@meteoritesusa.com>

WARNING to ALL who use Facebook - Don't ever let you account be hacked 
or phished. It can happen, it does happen, and it's a BIG pain in the @$$!

I don't know how many of you use Facebook, but... Don't ever mistakenly 
let your account be hacked or phished. You will NEVER get it back. 
Unless Facebook is gracious or smart enough to realize it's not your 
fault. A hacker got into my FB account via what's called a "phishing" 
page. Normally I'm keen to this sort of thing, and I'm slightly 
embarrassed to admit it, but this one fooled me. I click one or two 
links to view a video which "appeared" to come from a friend and then 
somehow it looked as if I got logged out of my FB account. Then a screen 
appeared which looked like the FB login page. I tried logging back in. 
Guess what? I was already logged in and I just mistakenly gave up my FB 
username and password. As soon as I realized what happened I tried to go 
to the "real" FB account login page and hurry to change my account 
password to protect my account. However I was not fast enough. They 
accessed my account, changed my password, and I was effectively LOCKED 
OUT of my own account.

The people at Facebook either some of the most intellectually challenged 
people I've ever met or they enjoy making you jump through countless 
hoops just to entertain themselves, while telling you that it's 
supposedly to "set up a new email" under your old account. Then when you 
do respond (per their instructions)  they will tell you "for security 
reasons" they cannot repond to the new email address that they ask to to 
respond from in the first place. Then the process starts all over again, 
and you're back to square one.

Not to mention the fact that if you own your own website that's a BAD 
thing. They banned my entire email domain. Not just my email address! 
What that means is this. The email domain is the @yourdomain.com suffix. 
Anything before the @ symbol is your user id on an SMTP server to send 
email under. When you send email through your ISP (Internet Service 
Provider) SMTP server via your email domain it uses your ID to send that 
email. Normally having your own email domain is a good thing, but not 
when it comes to Facebook. Facebook will BAN the entire email domain if 
just 1 email address from that domain is compromised. For example.

My main Facebook account was hacked about 2-4 months ago. Don't remember 
when exactly. The email address was the eric at meteoritesusa.com email 
address. But since my Facebook account was compromised by a hacker 
through that email address Facebook in their infinite wisdom decided to 
just go ahead an BAN my entire email domain. Which means I cannot EVER 
create another email address for my Facebook account with the 
@meteoritesusa.com email domain suffix. EVER! Or at least until the 
release the block.

Since having my account compromised, the hacker(s) apparently sent out 
unwanted emails through Facebook, and it appeared to have come from ME 
when in fact it didn't. People reported abuse by that email address and 
whammo Facebook decided to BAN the entire email domain.

Here's the ironic part. Facebook has their own SMTP servers. That means 
that any email that gets sent through their system goes through their 
own SMTP, and NOT mine. It bypasses my SMTP altogether. It only appears 
as if it's coming from email address. Yet they banned my email domain. 
Make sense to you? Me neither.

I don't know if I'll ever get my FB account back or even if I want it 
back after going back and forth with them on it now for over a month. 
All my Friends, and Wall posts, Photos, Videos, Subscriptions, and 
everything I spent almost a year building up may be lost if Facebook 
doesn't unban the email domain or at the very least, set up another 
email address on my main FB account, so I can access all my friends and 
subscribers again.

I hope you guys never have to go through this.

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA







From dave at fallingrocks.com  Wed Jan 20 22:03:41 2010
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:03:41 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
In-Reply-To: <f9a2.65d9937f.3888bbb6@aol.com>
References: <f9a2.65d9937f.3888bbb6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <120EFC4D669142599284C2A1C0FEA690@meteorroom>

Fun show fellas, and congrats on the series!
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

-----Original Message-----
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meteorhntr at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:04 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks



Hey List,

It is with great pleasure that  I invite all of you to sit down tonight and
to take a journey to Canada with  Geoff Notkin and myself on Science Channel
(9pm Eastern) on our first episode of  our first season of "Meteorite Men" 
the Series. 

I haven't seen the  episode myself yet, but some of our friends in the
production office have, and  it promises to be a fun adventure and (don't
tell anyone I said this, but) we do  find some meteorites in this episode.  

Geoff and I are keenly aware  that this TV series might be the best
opportunity for the meteorite collecting  community to put our best foot
forward and show the world a glimpse into what  makes our passion of
collecting so exciting.  Of course we have to mix the  geeky science with a
little humor and drama, or people won't stick around for  the end of the
show, and won't come back next week.

I want to give a HUGE  amount of credit to our LMNO Productions team.  We
have had over 95 people  working on this show on the production side, not to
mention the hundreds of  people working over on the Science Channel and
Discovery Network to make this  happen.  Millions of dollars have been
invested to bring this episode to  air, and it is very humbling realizing
that while Geoff and I have our faces on  screen, NONE of this would be
possible without the team behind the scenes.  

And, I would be remiss to not take the time to thank ALL of you that  have
supported me over the last 18 years when I have tried to eek out a living in
this crazy business.  If it weren't for the scientists who study these
rocks, if it weren't for the collecting customers that buy a piece here and
a  
slice there from me,  tonight would never have become a reality.   

I have to give a huge shout out to Blaine Reed who was my one and only
customer for the first 6 years of my meteorite career.  In a business of
"buy low and sell high," somehow, Blaine had a philosophy of "How much can I
afford to pay Steve for what he brings me?" as opposed to "How cheap can I
get these rocks from Steve?"  Blaine, if it weren't for you buddy, I would
have  been out of this business before I even got into it.  I owe you a big

Margarita at the Birthday Bash, and every Birthday Bash from here on out.
In 
fact, anyone who likes this show tonight, buy Blaine a drink before you
offer  me one, ok?

Of course kudos have to go out to THE Meteorite Man Bob Haag,  who blazed a
trail through a jungle that we all are enjoying the fruits of  now.

Harvey Nininger, Oscar Monnig, Glen Huss, H.O. Stockwell, just to  name a
few, are pillars that hold the roof over all of our heads now. 

I  have to thank my amazing wife, Qynne, and the two greatest daughters a
guy could  ever hope to have, Lauren and Kelsey who have shared me and my
time with this  calling.

A big thanks goes out to Phil Mani who on a gut feeling  supported the
Brenham adventure a few years back, which was one domino in the  series to
fall that led to all of this. 

There is a huge amount of credit  and thanks that needs to be extended to
the 8n8 crew that inadvertently  journeyed with me to the Alpha site several
years back which ended up being in  our pilot episode.  All of you guys are
getting your financial return on  the project, but also know from me that
you guys also deserve a monster sized  "Thank You."  You are appreciated
more than you will ever know.

And  personally, I have to give the greatest amount of credit to my hunting
partner  Geoff Notkin. If it weren't for Geoff's talents and true
gentlemanly qualities,  none of this, and I mean NONE of this would have
happened.  
For some  reason, one guy hunting rocks on TV is not enough to make anyone
take a second  look.  And even two guys hunting for space rocks is not
enough either.  Geoff's ability to articulate WHY these amazing visitors
from space are so special adds an element that I don't think anyone else in
the meteorite world could have been able to do.  Of course there are others
that can talk about why meteorites are great, but Geoff will get his
fingernails dirty, jump in a hole, get excited with the rest of us, and
still be able to  articulate to the audience why he is, so excited, and why
the viewers at home  should be too.

You might notice in the written descriptions about the  show where sometimes
it might say "Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin..." and other  times it will say
"Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold..." I suppose the powers that  be want to
give us equal credit in flip flopping our names from time to  time.  And
while ego might want one's name to show up first, I really do  like it when
Geoff's name is first, because I know I could be replaced in this  show far
easier than he ever could.  In fact, I am certain without Geoff,  none of
this would be remotely possible.  Geoff, thank you.  I am so  proud to count
you as a dear friend, first, and as a hunting partner  second.  Cheers ol'
chap! 

The more that happens, the more I see  that we are one big "organism" that
depends on itself to sustain itself.  I  found myself so excited for Shauna
Russell today as I watched the video of her  digging out the Springwater
meteorite.  Yes, she is a competitor of mine in  our field, but she is also
a colleague in the field of rescuing these rusting  messengers before it is
too late.  Congrats Shauna.  We all should be  excited for her.  Competition
makes us all sharper.  So a big "thank  you" goes out to the other dealers
and hunters in our community, that compete  with passion with and even
against us, but still compete fairly.

We live  on a big planet.  There are plenty of meteorites for all of us to
find.  And the "Meteorite Men" series is undoubtedly going to increase both
collectors and hunters alike.  It is my desire that in the end, many more
meteorites will be found, more collectors will be generated to support the
expeditions of us all, more kids will be encouraged to follow a vocation of
being scientists and more meteoriticists will be entering the field, and
more  funding will be provided for research, curating and displaying
meteorites world  wide. 

Our goal isn't to get more of the limited sized pie, but to help  make the
pie much bigger for us all.

Add everyone up that gets credit for  the new series, and we are easily into
the thousands.  

It is  Geoff's and my desire that we do you all proud.  Of course, as the
saying  goes, "If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one."  
So, the  bottom line is: the network wants to please enough people so that 
the  advertising revenues will justify the money invested in the project.

Some of America will undoubtedly not be impressed.  Some in the meteorite  
world too will undoubtedly not be impressed.  For that we are  sorry.   But,

we are doing our best, and we want to thank everyone  that has helped make
tonight a reality.

If I could do it, I would give  ALL of you a Harvey Award!

Cheers!

Steve  Arnold




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From dave at fallingrocks.com  Wed Jan 20 22:14:56 2010
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:14:56 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Springwater... WOW
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References: <13FB65AF-D13A-42FC-8B4D-9EF329024B33@gilanet.com>
Message-ID: <5E8AC929F5C74F3DAD1B899E5D16613E@meteorroom>

Epic video Shauna, and nice color commentary RW...a wonderful recovery!
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of michael
cottingham
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:36 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Springwater... WOW

Hello,

Congrats. Great video. I heard you guys found the MAIN MASS. as well as many
little individuals of Springwater!

WOW!  Biggest thing in meteorites, since Haag's Esquel recovery... no doubt.
Tell us more...

Best Wishes

Michael Cottingham
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From piebear at cox.net  Wed Jan 20 22:36:25 2010
From: piebear at cox.net (Arlene Schlazer)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:36:25 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
In-Reply-To: <120EFC4D669142599284C2A1C0FEA690@meteorroom>
References: <f9a2.65d9937f.3888bbb6@aol.com>
	<120EFC4D669142599284C2A1C0FEA690@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <2EF67FF1B32140F095872FABC0BCE9D9@PiePC>

Meteorite Men rock!  Great job.....we really enjoyed the show....I think 
everyone will now have a better appreciation of what you guys go through for 
one of these cosmic treasures to land in our collections......thanks for all 
your hard work!!!  Looking forward to seeing you and Geoff in 
Tucson......Congratulations again,  Arlene Schlazer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Gheesling" <dave at fallingrocks.com>
To: <meteorhntr at aol.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks


> Fun show fellas, and congrats on the series!
> Dave
> www.fallingrocks.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
> meteorhntr at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:04 PM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
>
>
>
> Hey List,
>
> It is with great pleasure that  I invite all of you to sit down tonight 
> and
> to take a journey to Canada with  Geoff Notkin and myself on Science 
> Channel
> (9pm Eastern) on our first episode of  our first season of "Meteorite Men"
> the Series.
>
> I haven't seen the  episode myself yet, but some of our friends in the
> production office have, and  it promises to be a fun adventure and (don't
> tell anyone I said this, but) we do  find some meteorites in this episode.
>
> Geoff and I are keenly aware  that this TV series might be the best
> opportunity for the meteorite collecting  community to put our best foot
> forward and show the world a glimpse into what  makes our passion of
> collecting so exciting.  Of course we have to mix the  geeky science with 
> a
> little humor and drama, or people won't stick around for  the end of the
> show, and won't come back next week.
>
> I want to give a HUGE  amount of credit to our LMNO Productions team.  We
> have had over 95 people  working on this show on the production side, not 
> to
> mention the hundreds of  people working over on the Science Channel and
> Discovery Network to make this  happen.  Millions of dollars have been
> invested to bring this episode to  air, and it is very humbling realizing
> that while Geoff and I have our faces on  screen, NONE of this would be
> possible without the team behind the scenes.
>
> And, I would be remiss to not take the time to thank ALL of you that  have
> supported me over the last 18 years when I have tried to eek out a living 
> in
> this crazy business.  If it weren't for the scientists who study these
> rocks, if it weren't for the collecting customers that buy a piece here 
> and
> a
> slice there from me,  tonight would never have become a reality.
>
> I have to give a huge shout out to Blaine Reed who was my one and only
> customer for the first 6 years of my meteorite career.  In a business of
> "buy low and sell high," somehow, Blaine had a philosophy of "How much can 
> I
> afford to pay Steve for what he brings me?" as opposed to "How cheap can I
> get these rocks from Steve?"  Blaine, if it weren't for you buddy, I would
> have  been out of this business before I even got into it.  I owe you a 
> big
>
> Margarita at the Birthday Bash, and every Birthday Bash from here on out.
> In
> fact, anyone who likes this show tonight, buy Blaine a drink before you
> offer  me one, ok?
>
> Of course kudos have to go out to THE Meteorite Man Bob Haag,  who blazed 
> a
> trail through a jungle that we all are enjoying the fruits of  now.
>
> Harvey Nininger, Oscar Monnig, Glen Huss, H.O. Stockwell, just to  name a
> few, are pillars that hold the roof over all of our heads now.
>
> I  have to thank my amazing wife, Qynne, and the two greatest daughters a
> guy could  ever hope to have, Lauren and Kelsey who have shared me and my
> time with this  calling.
>
> A big thanks goes out to Phil Mani who on a gut feeling  supported the
> Brenham adventure a few years back, which was one domino in the  series to
> fall that led to all of this.
>
> There is a huge amount of credit  and thanks that needs to be extended to
> the 8n8 crew that inadvertently  journeyed with me to the Alpha site 
> several
> years back which ended up being in  our pilot episode.  All of you guys 
> are
> getting your financial return on  the project, but also know from me that
> you guys also deserve a monster sized  "Thank You."  You are appreciated
> more than you will ever know.
>
> And  personally, I have to give the greatest amount of credit to my 
> hunting
> partner  Geoff Notkin. If it weren't for Geoff's talents and true
> gentlemanly qualities,  none of this, and I mean NONE of this would have
> happened.
> For some  reason, one guy hunting rocks on TV is not enough to make anyone
> take a second  look.  And even two guys hunting for space rocks is not
> enough either.  Geoff's ability to articulate WHY these amazing visitors
> from space are so special adds an element that I don't think anyone else 
> in
> the meteorite world could have been able to do.  Of course there are 
> others
> that can talk about why meteorites are great, but Geoff will get his
> fingernails dirty, jump in a hole, get excited with the rest of us, and
> still be able to  articulate to the audience why he is, so excited, and 
> why
> the viewers at home  should be too.
>
> You might notice in the written descriptions about the  show where 
> sometimes
> it might say "Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin..." and other  times it will 
> say
> "Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold..." I suppose the powers that  be want to
> give us equal credit in flip flopping our names from time to  time.  And
> while ego might want one's name to show up first, I really do  like it 
> when
> Geoff's name is first, because I know I could be replaced in this  show 
> far
> easier than he ever could.  In fact, I am certain without Geoff,  none of
> this would be remotely possible.  Geoff, thank you.  I am so  proud to 
> count
> you as a dear friend, first, and as a hunting partner  second.  Cheers ol'
> chap!
>
> The more that happens, the more I see  that we are one big "organism" that
> depends on itself to sustain itself.  I  found myself so excited for 
> Shauna
> Russell today as I watched the video of her  digging out the Springwater
> meteorite.  Yes, she is a competitor of mine in  our field, but she is 
> also
> a colleague in the field of rescuing these rusting  messengers before it 
> is
> too late.  Congrats Shauna.  We all should be  excited for her. 
> Competition
> makes us all sharper.  So a big "thank  you" goes out to the other dealers
> and hunters in our community, that compete  with passion with and even
> against us, but still compete fairly.
>
> We live  on a big planet.  There are plenty of meteorites for all of us to
> find.  And the "Meteorite Men" series is undoubtedly going to increase 
> both
> collectors and hunters alike.  It is my desire that in the end, many more
> meteorites will be found, more collectors will be generated to support the
> expeditions of us all, more kids will be encouraged to follow a vocation 
> of
> being scientists and more meteoriticists will be entering the field, and
> more  funding will be provided for research, curating and displaying
> meteorites world  wide.
>
> Our goal isn't to get more of the limited sized pie, but to help  make the
> pie much bigger for us all.
>
> Add everyone up that gets credit for  the new series, and we are easily 
> into
> the thousands.
>
> It is  Geoff's and my desire that we do you all proud.  Of course, as the
> saying  goes, "If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one."
> So, the  bottom line is: the network wants to please enough people so that
> the  advertising revenues will justify the money invested in the project.
>
> Some of America will undoubtedly not be impressed.  Some in the meteorite
> world too will undoubtedly not be impressed.  For that we are  sorry. 
> But,
>
> we are doing our best, and we want to thank everyone  that has helped make
> tonight a reality.
>
> If I could do it, I would give  ALL of you a Harvey Award!
>
> Cheers!
>
> Steve  Arnold
>
>
>
>
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From photophlow at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 23:36:03 2010
From: photophlow at yahoo.com (Shawn Alan)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:36:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crust & Desirability
Message-ID: <60484.23406.qm@web113612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello List,

First off I would like to congratulate the people involved in the Springwater project. 

Now the question?

Why does the presence of fusion crust on meteorites make them more desirable and worth more money, as appose to not having fusion crust present on a meteorite? 

Shawn Alan



From moni2555 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 21 00:16:10 2010
From: moni2555 at hotmail.com (Moni Waiblinger)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:16:10 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
 20, 2010
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	<SNT117-W30AA63EEDAF053E8156BB5D2640@phx.gbl>
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Hi All,
Hi Shauna and Robert,

this is awesome!
Thank you for sharing the video!
I bet this made your day!? ;)
Congratulations!
What a treasure!

See you in Tucson,
Moni

> From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com
> To: michael at rocksfromspace.org; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:27:37 -0800
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 20, 2010
> 
> 
> Congratulations to all of you on an amazing find.? Very nice!? It's stuff like this that keeps me going back to the field.? What an enjoyable and rewarding hobby.? I look forward to meet and see many of you in Tucson.
> 
> Greg S.
> 
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:47:18 -0800
>> From: michael at rocksfromspace.org
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 20, 2010
>>
>> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_20_2010.html
>>

 		 	   		  
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From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Jan 21 01:01:51 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:01:51 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] What's up, Doc?
In-Reply-To: <60484.23406.qm@web113612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <60484.23406.qm@web113612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <68rfl591bif5u4e9grqs81dd5m347pq0mc@4ax.com>

This time, it's the real freaking deal.  Photo link at the bottom.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/20/AR2010012004767.html

Almost-close encounter: Meteorite hits Lorton doctor's office

By Paul Duggan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, January 21, 2010 

Much later, after the hole in the roof had been fixed and the debris cleaned up,
after the cause of the damage finally had become clear, Frank Ciampi wondered:
What are the odds?

He is a doctor. He has worked for 18 years in the two-story building in Lorton
that houses the Williamsburg Square Family Practice, in the 9500 block of
Richmond Highway. He spends his days walking in and out of examining rooms,
seeing patients.

What are the chances, as he goes about his routine, that he'll get hit by a
meteorite?

Not impossible.

It almost happened.

"I was in my office doing charts," Ciampi recalled. It was Monday, a little
after 5:30 p.m. He was on the building's second floor. "And I heard a loud boom,
almost like a small explosion."

At first, he said, he thought a bookcase had toppled nextdoor. "So I ran toward
the office. And then I saw all the debris in the hallway," he said. 

The floor just outside examination room No. 2 -- about 10 feet from where Ciampi
had been doing paperwork -- was littered with small pieces of wood, plaster and
insulation. Upon inspection, more debris lay inside the room. He saw three
chunks of stone on the floor that together formed a rock about the size of a
tennis ball, with a glassy-smooth surface. Then he saw a hole about the size of
the rock in the tile ceiling, and a tear in the maroon carpet where the rock had
landed.

"The first thing we thought was maybe something had fallen from a plane," Ciampi
said.

For most of the day, the 10 examination rooms used by Ciampi and two other
medical professionals in the practice had been occupied by patients. Had the
falling object crashed through the ceiling a little earlier, it might have
killed someone.

"I thank God," Ciampi said.

Later, he said, "I was up all night, wondering what it was." No one else in the
practice could figure it out, either. Then on Tuesday, the office manager,
Rhonda Lawrence, offered a suggestion from her husband Jeffrey, who has a
background in geology. 

"Jeff said that maybe it was a meteorite," Ciampi said. "We didn't think of
that. You know, a meteorite -- that's not the first thing you think of."

Cari Corrigan, a planetary scientist at the Smithsonian Institution's Museum of
Natural History, confirmed it.

"It's beautiful," she gushed on Wednesday, after examining the rock.

"The first thing we look at is what's called the fusion crust on the outside,"
she said. "It's kind of a black, shiny coating, because when it passes through
the atmosphere, it's melting a little at a time. So it's like an outer layer of
glass, of melted rock."

That, plus flecks of metal in the rock, confirmed it had come from space, she
said.

Corrigan said small meteorites hit Earth "fairly often." "We're bombarded by
stuff like that all the time," she said. Since most of the planet's surface is
uninhabited, most meteorites land a long, long way from people. And most of
those that do hit inhabited areas go unnoticed, she said.

Every now and then, though, there's a landing like the one in Lorton. She said
the meteorite weighs just over a half pound and probably was traveling about 220
mphwhen it hit the building. 

If the folks at the medical practice want her to, Corrigan said, she will submit
the stone to the Meteorite Nomenclature Committee.

"They'll give it an official name and an official description and it'll go on
the books as being an official meteorite," she said. "I would imagine it would
be called the Lorton, Va., Meteorite, or something like that." 


http://weblogs.marylandweather.com/2010/01/mondays_meteor_fell_on_lorton.html


From minador at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 21 01:53:00 2010
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:53:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
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Hello List,

Great show, great party!? Thanks Geoff and everyone who helped make it possible.? I hope I can make it next week for the Meteorite Men party.

I was a pleasure visiting with everyone tonight.??Now I'm even more?excited that the show is just around the corner, and the first comprehensive AZ meteorites exhibition!? It's going to be an exciting show this year - I look forward to visiting with everyone some more.

Mark B
Vail, AZ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
> meteorhntr at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:04 PM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Hey List,
> 
> It is with great pleasure that? I invite all of you to sit down tonight and
> to take a journey to Canada with? Geoff Notkin and myself on Science Channel
> (9pm Eastern) on our first episode of? our first season of "Meteorite Men"
> the Series.
> 
> I haven't seen the? episode myself yet, but some of our friends in the
> production office have, and? it promises to be a fun adventure and (don't
> tell anyone I said this, but) we do? find some meteorites in this episode.
> 
> Geoff and I are keenly aware? that this TV series might be the best
> opportunity for the meteorite collecting? community to put our best foot
> forward and show the world a glimpse into what? makes our passion of
> collecting so exciting.? Of course we have to mix the? geeky science with a
> little humor and drama, or people won't stick around for? the end of the
> show, and won't come back next week.
> 
> I want to give a HUGE? amount of credit to our LMNO Productions team.? We
> have had over 95 people? working on this show on the production side, not to
> mention the hundreds of? people working over on the Science Channel and
> Discovery Network to make this? happen.? Millions of dollars have been
> invested to bring this episode to? air, and it is very humbling realizing
> that while Geoff and I have our faces on? screen, NONE of this would be
> possible without the team behind the scenes.
> 
> And, I would be remiss to not take the time to thank ALL of you that? have
> supported me over the last 18 years when I have tried to eek out a living in
> this crazy business.? If it weren't for the scientists who study these
> rocks, if it weren't for the collecting customers that buy a piece here and
> a
> slice there from me,? tonight would never have become a reality.
> 
> I have to give a huge shout out to Blaine Reed who was my one and only
> customer for the first 6 years of my meteorite career.? In a business of
> "buy low and sell high," somehow, Blaine had a philosophy of "How much can I
> afford to pay Steve for what he brings me?" as opposed to "How cheap can I
> get these rocks from Steve?"? Blaine, if it weren't for you buddy, I would
> have? been out of this business before I even got into it.? I owe you a big
> 
> Margarita at the Birthday Bash, and every Birthday Bash from here on out.
> In
> fact, anyone who likes this show tonight, buy Blaine a drink before you
> offer? me one, ok?
> 
> Of course kudos have to go out to THE Meteorite Man Bob Haag,? who blazed a
> trail through a jungle that we all are enjoying the fruits of? now.
> 
> Harvey Nininger, Oscar Monnig, Glen Huss, H.O. Stockwell, just to? name a
> few, are pillars that hold the roof over all of our heads now.
> 
> I? have to thank my amazing wife, Qynne, and the two greatest daughters a
> guy could? ever hope to have, Lauren and Kelsey who have shared me and my
> time with this? calling.
> 
> A big thanks goes out to Phil Mani who on a gut feeling? supported the
> Brenham adventure a few years back, which was one domino in the? series to
> fall that led to all of this.
> 
> There is a huge amount of credit? and thanks that needs to be extended to
> the 8n8 crew that inadvertently? journeyed with me to the Alpha site several
> years back which ended up being in? our pilot episode.? All of you guys are
> getting your financial return on? the project, but also know from me that
> you guys also deserve a monster sized? "Thank You."? You are appreciated
> more than you will ever know.
> 
> And? personally, I have to give the greatest amount of credit to my hunting
> partner? Geoff Notkin. If it weren't for Geoff's talents and true
> gentlemanly qualities,? none of this, and I mean NONE of this would have
> happened.
> For some? reason, one guy hunting rocks on TV is not enough to make anyone
> take a second? look.? And even two guys hunting for space rocks is not
> enough either.? Geoff's ability to articulate WHY these amazing visitors
> from space are so special adds an element that I don't think anyone else in
> the meteorite world could have been able to do.? Of course there are others
> that can talk about why meteorites are great, but Geoff will get his
> fingernails dirty, jump in a hole, get excited with the rest of us, and
> still be able to? articulate to the audience why he is, so excited, and why
> the viewers at home? should be too.
> 
> You might notice in the written descriptions about the? show where sometimes
> it might say "Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin..." and other? times it will say
> "Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold..." I suppose the powers that? be want to
> give us equal credit in flip flopping our names from time to? time.? And
> while ego might want one's name to show up first, I really do? like it when
> Geoff's name is first, because I know I could be replaced in this? show far
> easier than he ever could.? In fact, I am certain without Geoff,? none of
> this would be remotely possible.? Geoff, thank you.? I am so? proud to count
> you as a dear friend, first, and as a hunting partner? second.? Cheers ol'
> chap!
> 
> The more that happens, the more I see? that we are one big "organism" that
> depends on itself to sustain itself.? I? found myself so excited for Shauna
> Russell today as I watched the video of her? digging out the Springwater
> meteorite.? Yes, she is a competitor of mine in? our field, but she is also
> a colleague in the field of rescuing these rusting? messengers before it is
> too late.? Congrats Shauna.? We all should be? excited for her. Competition
> makes us all sharper.? So a big "thank? you" goes out to the other dealers
> and hunters in our community, that compete? with passion with and even
> against us, but still compete fairly.
> 
> We live? on a big planet.? There are plenty of meteorites for all of us to
> find.? And the "Meteorite Men" series is undoubtedly going to increase both
> collectors and hunters alike.? It is my desire that in the end, many more
> meteorites will be found, more collectors will be generated to support the
> expeditions of us all, more kids will be encouraged to follow a vocation of
> being scientists and more meteoriticists will be entering the field, and
> more? funding will be provided for research, curating and displaying
> meteorites world? wide.
> 
> Our goal isn't to get more of the limited sized pie, but to help? make the
> pie much bigger for us all.
> 
> Add everyone up that gets credit for? the new series, and we are easily into
> the thousands.
> 
> It is? Geoff's and my desire that we do you all proud.? Of course, as the
> saying? goes, "If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one."
> So, the? bottom line is: the network wants to please enough people so that
> the? advertising revenues will justify the money invested in the project.
> 
> Some of America will undoubtedly not be impressed.? Some in the meteorite
> world too will undoubtedly not be impressed.? For that we are? sorry. But,
> 
> we are doing our best, and we want to thank everyone? that has helped make
> tonight a reality.
> 
> If I could do it, I would give? ALL of you a Harvey Award!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Steve? Arnold
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From erikfwebb at msn.com  Thu Jan 21 01:56:12 2010
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:56:12 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crust & Desirability
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?It's like paint on cars.? I don't want to by an ordinary car without
paint for the same price, or close to that, of an ordinary car with paint.
In the case of the rarer meteorites, a Ferrari with no paint will still sell for a pretty big chunk of change. Paint or no Paint.? 

[Erik]

> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:36:03 -0800
> From: photophlow at yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crust & Desirability
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> First off I would like to congratulate the people involved in the Springwater project. 
> 
> Now the question?
> 
> Why does the presence of fusion crust on meteorites make them more desirable and worth more money, as appose to not having fusion crust present on a meteorite? 
> 
> Shawn Alan
> 
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From mojave_meteorites at cox.net  Thu Jan 21 02:37:00 2010
From: mojave_meteorites at cox.net (Rob Matson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:37:00 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton, VA, fall on MLK
In-Reply-To: <68rfl591bif5u4e9grqs81dd5m347pq0mc@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMEEMGEAAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>

[Resending from home computer; apologies if you ~eventually~
receive this post twice.]

Hi All,

This Lorton, Virginia, fall is just miles from where I grew up
in Springfield, VA!  I checked Doppler radar, and sure enough
it shows up!  It's visible in the Sterling, VA, radar (KLWX)
during the cycle that begins at 22:37:22.  It's visible in
the 3.51-degree and 4.47-degree cut angles, which occur a little
less than 90 seconds apart, late in the ~10-minute cycle from
22:37:22 - 22:47:06. In those 90 seconds, the dust cloud has
moved noticeably to the east, and both positions are due east
of Lorton by an amount that is an excellent match for a fall
occurring at 22:38 GMT (5:38pm EST).

This is the seventh successfully recovered fall for which I've
found matching NEXRAD Doppler radar images.  --Rob



From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Thu Jan 21 02:41:41 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:41:41 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton, VA, fall on MLK
In-Reply-To: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMEEMGEAAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>
References: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMEEMGEAAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4B580535.1030406@meteoritesusa.com>

Been watching this one...

Here's the original report from Monday's fireball.
http://weblogs.marylandweather.com/2010/01/twilight_meteor_reported_monda.html

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA



On 1/20/2010 11:37 PM, Rob Matson wrote:
> [Resending from home computer; apologies if you ~eventually~
> receive this post twice.]
>
> Hi All,
>
> This Lorton, Virginia, fall is just miles from where I grew up
> in Springfield, VA!  I checked Doppler radar, and sure enough
> it shows up!  It's visible in the Sterling, VA, radar (KLWX)
> during the cycle that begins at 22:37:22.  It's visible in
> the 3.51-degree and 4.47-degree cut angles, which occur a little
> less than 90 seconds apart, late in the ~10-minute cycle from
> 22:37:22 - 22:47:06. In those 90 seconds, the dust cloud has
> moved noticeably to the east, and both positions are due east
> of Lorton by an amount that is an excellent match for a fall
> occurring at 22:38 GMT (5:38pm EST).
>
> This is the seventh successfully recovered fall for which I've
> found matching NEXRAD Doppler radar images.  --Rob
>
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From mojave_meteorites at cox.net  Thu Jan 21 02:50:44 2010
From: mojave_meteorites at cox.net (Rob Matson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:50:44 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] More on radar images of Lorton, VA fall on MLK
In-Reply-To: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMEEMGEAAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>
Message-ID: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMIEMHEAAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>

[Resending from home computer; apologies if you ~eventually~
receive this post twice.]

This Lorton bolide dust cloud is also visible in the Sterling, VA,
radar cycle beginning at 22:47:06 in the first two sweeps,
continuing its eastward drift. I'm checking the Norfolk/Richmond
radar in case it showed up on it as well, but so far it appears
in four sweeps spanning a little over four minutes:

22:45:01  38.72N, 77.16W, 2.5 km
22:46:24  38.72N, 77.13W, 3.4 km
22:47:48  38.71N, 77.10W, 0.5 km
22:49:11  38.71N, 77.10W, 0.5 km

This is a fairly significant drift rate eastward:  about 31 m/sec,
or roughly 70 mph. But this is in agreement with what the jet
stream map shows for this part of northern Virginia a little
over an hour later:

http://virga.sfsu.edu/pub/jetstream/jetstream/big/1001/10011900_jetstream_an
al.gif

--Rob



From photophlow at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 21 03:07:33 2010
From: photophlow at yahoo.com (Shawn Alan)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:07:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list]  More on radar images of Lorton, VA fall on MLK
Message-ID: <493510.35327.qm@web113614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Rob,
?
Which website are you getting these radar cycles from?
?
Shawn


From mojave_meteorites at cox.net  Thu Jan 21 03:14:32 2010
From: mojave_meteorites at cox.net (Rob Matson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:14:32 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Link to NCDC radar archive
In-Reply-To: <493510.35327.qm@web113614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMOEMIEAAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>

Hi Shawn,

You can download the archive radar data from NCDC:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/nexradinv/

But you will need an imager (e.g. NOAA's Weather and Climate
Toolkit) to decompress and load the V03.gz data. Also, I've
been having trouble for the last hour or so getting additional
data out of NCDC. Site has been very slow all night, and seems
to be experiencing technical difficulties.

--Rob



From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Thu Jan 21 05:19:40 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:19:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
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Yes, Mark, it was a great party. It was good to see everyone there!

And it was clear!

Hope to see everyone at the Lunar Lab exhibit on Saturday January 30.

Larry in Tucson

> Hello List,
>
> Great show, great party!? Thanks Geoff and everyone who helped make it
> possible.? I hope I can make it next week for the Meteorite Men party.
>
> I was a pleasure visiting with everyone tonight.??Now I'm even
> more?excited that the show is just around the corner, and the first
> comprehensive AZ meteorites exhibition!? It's going to be an exciting show
> this year - I look forward to visiting with everyone some more.
>
> Mark B
> Vail, AZ
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>> meteorhntr at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:04 PM
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey List,
>>
>> It is with great pleasure that? I invite all of you to sit down tonight
>> and
>> to take a journey to Canada with? Geoff Notkin and myself on Science
>> Channel
>> (9pm Eastern) on our first episode of? our first season of "Meteorite
>> Men"
>> the Series.
>>
>> I haven't seen the? episode myself yet, but some of our friends in the
>> production office have, and? it promises to be a fun adventure and
>> (don't
>> tell anyone I said this, but) we do? find some meteorites in this
>> episode.
>>
>> Geoff and I are keenly aware? that this TV series might be the best
>> opportunity for the meteorite collecting? community to put our best foot
>> forward and show the world a glimpse into what? makes our passion of
>> collecting so exciting.? Of course we have to mix the? geeky science
>> with a
>> little humor and drama, or people won't stick around for? the end of the
>> show, and won't come back next week.
>>
>> I want to give a HUGE? amount of credit to our LMNO Productions team.?
>> We
>> have had over 95 people? working on this show on the production side,
>> not to
>> mention the hundreds of? people working over on the Science Channel and
>> Discovery Network to make this? happen.? Millions of dollars have been
>> invested to bring this episode to? air, and it is very humbling
>> realizing
>> that while Geoff and I have our faces on? screen, NONE of this would be
>> possible without the team behind the scenes.
>>
>> And, I would be remiss to not take the time to thank ALL of you that?
>> have
>> supported me over the last 18 years when I have tried to eek out a
>> living in
>> this crazy business.? If it weren't for the scientists who study these
>> rocks, if it weren't for the collecting customers that buy a piece here
>> and
>> a
>> slice there from me,? tonight would never have become a reality.
>>
>> I have to give a huge shout out to Blaine Reed who was my one and only
>> customer for the first 6 years of my meteorite career.? In a business of
>> "buy low and sell high," somehow, Blaine had a philosophy of "How much
>> can I
>> afford to pay Steve for what he brings me?" as opposed to "How cheap can
>> I
>> get these rocks from Steve?"? Blaine, if it weren't for you buddy, I
>> would
>> have? been out of this business before I even got into it.? I owe you a
>> big
>>
>> Margarita at the Birthday Bash, and every Birthday Bash from here on
>> out.
>> In
>> fact, anyone who likes this show tonight, buy Blaine a drink before you
>> offer? me one, ok?
>>
>> Of course kudos have to go out to THE Meteorite Man Bob Haag,? who
>> blazed a
>> trail through a jungle that we all are enjoying the fruits of? now.
>>
>> Harvey Nininger, Oscar Monnig, Glen Huss, H.O. Stockwell, just to? name
>> a
>> few, are pillars that hold the roof over all of our heads now.
>>
>> I? have to thank my amazing wife, Qynne, and the two greatest daughters
>> a
>> guy could? ever hope to have, Lauren and Kelsey who have shared me and
>> my
>> time with this? calling.
>>
>> A big thanks goes out to Phil Mani who on a gut feeling? supported the
>> Brenham adventure a few years back, which was one domino in the? series
>> to
>> fall that led to all of this.
>>
>> There is a huge amount of credit? and thanks that needs to be extended
>> to
>> the 8n8 crew that inadvertently? journeyed with me to the Alpha site
>> several
>> years back which ended up being in? our pilot episode.? All of you guys
>> are
>> getting your financial return on? the project, but also know from me
>> that
>> you guys also deserve a monster sized? "Thank You."? You are appreciated
>> more than you will ever know.
>>
>> And? personally, I have to give the greatest amount of credit to my
>> hunting
>> partner? Geoff Notkin. If it weren't for Geoff's talents and true
>> gentlemanly qualities,? none of this, and I mean NONE of this would have
>> happened.
>> For some? reason, one guy hunting rocks on TV is not enough to make
>> anyone
>> take a second? look.? And even two guys hunting for space rocks is not
>> enough either.? Geoff's ability to articulate WHY these amazing visitors
>> from space are so special adds an element that I don't think anyone else
>> in
>> the meteorite world could have been able to do.? Of course there are
>> others
>> that can talk about why meteorites are great, but Geoff will get his
>> fingernails dirty, jump in a hole, get excited with the rest of us, and
>> still be able to? articulate to the audience why he is, so excited, and
>> why
>> the viewers at home? should be too.
>>
>> You might notice in the written descriptions about the? show where
>> sometimes
>> it might say "Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin..." and other? times it will
>> say
>> "Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold..." I suppose the powers that? be want to
>> give us equal credit in flip flopping our names from time to? time.? And
>> while ego might want one's name to show up first, I really do? like it
>> when
>> Geoff's name is first, because I know I could be replaced in this? show
>> far
>> easier than he ever could.? In fact, I am certain without Geoff,? none
>> of
>> this would be remotely possible.? Geoff, thank you.? I am so? proud to
>> count
>> you as a dear friend, first, and as a hunting partner? second.? Cheers
>> ol'
>> chap!
>>
>> The more that happens, the more I see? that we are one big "organism"
>> that
>> depends on itself to sustain itself.? I? found myself so excited for
>> Shauna
>> Russell today as I watched the video of her? digging out the Springwater
>> meteorite.? Yes, she is a competitor of mine in? our field, but she is
>> also
>> a colleague in the field of rescuing these rusting? messengers before it
>> is
>> too late.? Congrats Shauna.? We all should be? excited for her.
>> Competition
>> makes us all sharper.? So a big "thank? you" goes out to the other
>> dealers
>> and hunters in our community, that compete? with passion with and even
>> against us, but still compete fairly.
>>
>> We live? on a big planet.? There are plenty of meteorites for all of us
>> to
>> find.? And the "Meteorite Men" series is undoubtedly going to increase
>> both
>> collectors and hunters alike.? It is my desire that in the end, many
>> more
>> meteorites will be found, more collectors will be generated to support
>> the
>> expeditions of us all, more kids will be encouraged to follow a vocation
>> of
>> being scientists and more meteoriticists will be entering the field, and
>> more? funding will be provided for research, curating and displaying
>> meteorites world? wide.
>>
>> Our goal isn't to get more of the limited sized pie, but to help? make
>> the
>> pie much bigger for us all.
>>
>> Add everyone up that gets credit for? the new series, and we are easily
>> into
>> the thousands.
>>
>> It is? Geoff's and my desire that we do you all proud.? Of course, as
>> the
>> saying? goes, "If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no
>> one."
>> So, the? bottom line is: the network wants to please enough people so
>> that
>> the? advertising revenues will justify the money invested in the
>> project.
>>
>> Some of America will undoubtedly not be impressed.? Some in the
>> meteorite
>> world too will undoubtedly not be impressed.? For that we are? sorry.
>> But,
>>
>> we are doing our best, and we want to thank everyone? that has helped
>> make
>> tonight a reality.
>>
>> If I could do it, I would give? ALL of you a Harvey Award!
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Steve? Arnold
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From mlblood at cox.net  Thu Jan 21 05:36:51 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:36:51 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men
In-Reply-To: <2EF67FF1B32140F095872FABC0BCE9D9@PiePC>
Message-ID: <C77D6E43.AE05%mlblood@cox.net>

Geoff & Steve,
        Show kicked ass!
        I was FINALLY able to find it after going through
HUNDREDS of channels - Believe it is Ch 788 on Cox.
Fortunately, they were showing it several times, so, I got
The whole thing AND transferred it to DVD so I can see
It whenever I want. Even Angel was enthused and impressed.
        Anyway, you guys are doing a good thing for meteoritics
in a VERY cool way.
        Again, CONGRATS! Michael


On 1/20/10 7:36 PM, "Arlene Schlazer" <piebear at cox.net> wrote:

> Meteorite Men rock!  Great job.....we really enjoyed the show....I think
> everyone will now have a better appreciation of what you guys go through for
> one of these cosmic treasures to land in our collections......thanks for all
> your hard work!!!  Looking forward to seeing you and Geoff in
> Tucson......Congratulations again,  Arlene Schlazer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Gheesling" <dave at fallingrocks.com>
> To: <meteorhntr at aol.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
> 
> 
>> Fun show fellas, and congrats on the series!
>> Dave
>> www.fallingrocks.com
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>> meteorhntr at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:04 PM
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hey List,
>> 
>> It is with great pleasure that  I invite all of you to sit down tonight
>> and
>> to take a journey to Canada with  Geoff Notkin and myself on Science
>> Channel
>> (9pm Eastern) on our first episode of  our first season of "Meteorite Men"
>> the Series.
>> 
>> I haven't seen the  episode myself yet, but some of our friends in the
>> production office have, and  it promises to be a fun adventure and (don't
>> tell anyone I said this, but) we do  find some meteorites in this episode.
>> 
>> Geoff and I are keenly aware  that this TV series might be the best
>> opportunity for the meteorite collecting  community to put our best foot
>> forward and show the world a glimpse into what  makes our passion of
>> collecting so exciting.  Of course we have to mix the  geeky science with
>> a
>> little humor and drama, or people won't stick around for  the end of the
>> show, and won't come back next week.
>> 
>> I want to give a HUGE  amount of credit to our LMNO Productions team.  We
>> have had over 95 people  working on this show on the production side, not
>> to
>> mention the hundreds of  people working over on the Science Channel and
>> Discovery Network to make this  happen.  Millions of dollars have been
>> invested to bring this episode to  air, and it is very humbling realizing
>> that while Geoff and I have our faces on  screen, NONE of this would be
>> possible without the team behind the scenes.
>> 
>> And, I would be remiss to not take the time to thank ALL of you that  have
>> supported me over the last 18 years when I have tried to eek out a living
>> in
>> this crazy business.  If it weren't for the scientists who study these
>> rocks, if it weren't for the collecting customers that buy a piece here
>> and
>> a
>> slice there from me,  tonight would never have become a reality.
>> 
>> I have to give a huge shout out to Blaine Reed who was my one and only
>> customer for the first 6 years of my meteorite career.  In a business of
>> "buy low and sell high," somehow, Blaine had a philosophy of "How much can
>> I
>> afford to pay Steve for what he brings me?" as opposed to "How cheap can I
>> get these rocks from Steve?"  Blaine, if it weren't for you buddy, I would
>> have  been out of this business before I even got into it.  I owe you a
>> big
>> 
>> Margarita at the Birthday Bash, and every Birthday Bash from here on out.
>> In
>> fact, anyone who likes this show tonight, buy Blaine a drink before you
>> offer  me one, ok?
>> 
>> Of course kudos have to go out to THE Meteorite Man Bob Haag,  who blazed
>> a
>> trail through a jungle that we all are enjoying the fruits of  now.
>> 
>> Harvey Nininger, Oscar Monnig, Glen Huss, H.O. Stockwell, just to  name a
>> few, are pillars that hold the roof over all of our heads now.
>> 
>> I  have to thank my amazing wife, Qynne, and the two greatest daughters a
>> guy could  ever hope to have, Lauren and Kelsey who have shared me and my
>> time with this  calling.
>> 
>> A big thanks goes out to Phil Mani who on a gut feeling  supported the
>> Brenham adventure a few years back, which was one domino in the  series to
>> fall that led to all of this.
>> 
>> There is a huge amount of credit  and thanks that needs to be extended to
>> the 8n8 crew that inadvertently  journeyed with me to the Alpha site
>> several
>> years back which ended up being in  our pilot episode.  All of you guys
>> are
>> getting your financial return on  the project, but also know from me that
>> you guys also deserve a monster sized  "Thank You."  You are appreciated
>> more than you will ever know.
>> 
>> And  personally, I have to give the greatest amount of credit to my
>> hunting
>> partner  Geoff Notkin. If it weren't for Geoff's talents and true
>> gentlemanly qualities,  none of this, and I mean NONE of this would have
>> happened.
>> For some  reason, one guy hunting rocks on TV is not enough to make anyone
>> take a second  look.  And even two guys hunting for space rocks is not
>> enough either.  Geoff's ability to articulate WHY these amazing visitors
>> from space are so special adds an element that I don't think anyone else
>> in
>> the meteorite world could have been able to do.  Of course there are
>> others
>> that can talk about why meteorites are great, but Geoff will get his
>> fingernails dirty, jump in a hole, get excited with the rest of us, and
>> still be able to  articulate to the audience why he is, so excited, and
>> why
>> the viewers at home  should be too.
>> 
>> You might notice in the written descriptions about the  show where
>> sometimes
>> it might say "Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin..." and other  times it will
>> say
>> "Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold..." I suppose the powers that  be want to
>> give us equal credit in flip flopping our names from time to  time.  And
>> while ego might want one's name to show up first, I really do  like it
>> when
>> Geoff's name is first, because I know I could be replaced in this  show
>> far
>> easier than he ever could.  In fact, I am certain without Geoff,  none of
>> this would be remotely possible.  Geoff, thank you.  I am so  proud to
>> count
>> you as a dear friend, first, and as a hunting partner  second.  Cheers ol'
>> chap!
>> 
>> The more that happens, the more I see  that we are one big "organism" that
>> depends on itself to sustain itself.  I  found myself so excited for
>> Shauna
>> Russell today as I watched the video of her  digging out the Springwater
>> meteorite.  Yes, she is a competitor of mine in  our field, but she is
>> also
>> a colleague in the field of rescuing these rusting  messengers before it
>> is
>> too late.  Congrats Shauna.  We all should be  excited for her.
>> Competition
>> makes us all sharper.  So a big "thank  you" goes out to the other dealers
>> and hunters in our community, that compete  with passion with and even
>> against us, but still compete fairly.
>> 
>> We live  on a big planet.  There are plenty of meteorites for all of us to
>> find.  And the "Meteorite Men" series is undoubtedly going to increase
>> both
>> collectors and hunters alike.  It is my desire that in the end, many more
>> meteorites will be found, more collectors will be generated to support the
>> expeditions of us all, more kids will be encouraged to follow a vocation
>> of
>> being scientists and more meteoriticists will be entering the field, and
>> more  funding will be provided for research, curating and displaying
>> meteorites world  wide.
>> 
>> Our goal isn't to get more of the limited sized pie, but to help  make the
>> pie much bigger for us all.
>> 
>> Add everyone up that gets credit for  the new series, and we are easily
>> into
>> the thousands.
>> 
>> It is  Geoff's and my desire that we do you all proud.  Of course, as the
>> saying  goes, "If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one."
>> So, the  bottom line is: the network wants to please enough people so that
>> the  advertising revenues will justify the money invested in the project.
>> 
>> Some of America will undoubtedly not be impressed.  Some in the meteorite
>> world too will undoubtedly not be impressed.  For that we are  sorry.
>> But,
>> 
>> we are doing our best, and we want to thank everyone  that has helped make
>> tonight a reality.
>> 
>> If I could do it, I would give  ALL of you a Harvey Award!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Steve  Arnold
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________
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>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From minador at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 21 07:36:24 2010
From: minador at yahoo.com (Mark Bowling)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:36:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
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Right on Larry, they had a 10" dob on the patio and lot's of folks were treated to a nice view of the moon, and low power looks at Mars.? Great venue!? I think I'm tied up next week because?I have?secretarial?duties at an annual?business meeting (but hoping I'm wrong - or able to come late).

Anyways, for those who couldn't make it last night, make an effort to attend next week.? It's a guaranteed great time!

Mark


----- Original Message ----
From: "lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu" <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
To: Mark Bowling <minador at yahoo.com>
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 3:19:40 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks

Yes, Mark, it was a great party. It was good to see everyone there!

And it was clear!

Hope to see everyone at the Lunar Lab exhibit on Saturday January 30.

Larry in Tucson

> Hello List,
>
> Great show, great party!? Thanks Geoff and everyone who helped make it
> possible.? I hope I can make it next week for the Meteorite Men party.
>
> I was a pleasure visiting with everyone tonight.??Now I'm even
> more?excited that the show is just around the corner, and the first
> comprehensive AZ meteorites exhibition!? It's going to be an exciting show
> this year - I look forward to visiting with everyone some more.
>
> Mark B
> Vail, AZ
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>> meteorhntr at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:04 PM
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey List,
>>
>> It is with great pleasure that? I invite all of you to sit down tonight
>> and
>> to take a journey to Canada with? Geoff Notkin and myself on Science
>> Channel
>> (9pm Eastern) on our first episode of? our first season of "Meteorite
>> Men"
>> the Series.
>>
>> I haven't seen the? episode myself yet, but some of our friends in the
>> production office have, and? it promises to be a fun adventure and
>> (don't
>> tell anyone I said this, but) we do? find some meteorites in this
>> episode.
>>
>> Geoff and I are keenly aware? that this TV series might be the best
>> opportunity for the meteorite collecting? community to put our best foot
>> forward and show the world a glimpse into what? makes our passion of
>> collecting so exciting.? Of course we have to mix the? geeky science
>> with a
>> little humor and drama, or people won't stick around for? the end of the
>> show, and won't come back next week.
>>
>> I want to give a HUGE? amount of credit to our LMNO Productions team.?
>> We
>> have had over 95 people? working on this show on the production side,
>> not to
>> mention the hundreds of? people working over on the Science Channel and
>> Discovery Network to make this? happen.? Millions of dollars have been
>> invested to bring this episode to? air, and it is very humbling
>> realizing
>> that while Geoff and I have our faces on? screen, NONE of this would be
>> possible without the team behind the scenes.
>>
>> And, I would be remiss to not take the time to thank ALL of you that?
>> have
>> supported me over the last 18 years when I have tried to eek out a
>> living in
>> this crazy business.? If it weren't for the scientists who study these
>> rocks, if it weren't for the collecting customers that buy a piece here
>> and
>> a
>> slice there from me,? tonight would never have become a reality.
>>
>> I have to give a huge shout out to Blaine Reed who was my one and only
>> customer for the first 6 years of my meteorite career.? In a business of
>> "buy low and sell high," somehow, Blaine had a philosophy of "How much
>> can I
>> afford to pay Steve for what he brings me?" as opposed to "How cheap can
>> I
>> get these rocks from Steve?"? Blaine, if it weren't for you buddy, I
>> would
>> have? been out of this business before I even got into it.? I owe you a
>> big
>>
>> Margarita at the Birthday Bash, and every Birthday Bash from here on
>> out.
>> In
>> fact, anyone who likes this show tonight, buy Blaine a drink before you
>> offer? me one, ok?
>>
>> Of course kudos have to go out to THE Meteorite Man Bob Haag,? who
>> blazed a
>> trail through a jungle that we all are enjoying the fruits of? now.
>>
>> Harvey Nininger, Oscar Monnig, Glen Huss, H.O. Stockwell, just to? name
>> a
>> few, are pillars that hold the roof over all of our heads now.
>>
>> I? have to thank my amazing wife, Qynne, and the two greatest daughters
>> a
>> guy could? ever hope to have, Lauren and Kelsey who have shared me and
>> my
>> time with this? calling.
>>
>> A big thanks goes out to Phil Mani who on a gut feeling? supported the
>> Brenham adventure a few years back, which was one domino in the? series
>> to
>> fall that led to all of this.
>>
>> There is a huge amount of credit? and thanks that needs to be extended
>> to
>> the 8n8 crew that inadvertently? journeyed with me to the Alpha site
>> several
>> years back which ended up being in? our pilot episode.? All of you guys
>> are
>> getting your financial return on? the project, but also know from me
>> that
>> you guys also deserve a monster sized? "Thank You."? You are appreciated
>> more than you will ever know.
>>
>> And? personally, I have to give the greatest amount of credit to my
>> hunting
>> partner? Geoff Notkin. If it weren't for Geoff's talents and true
>> gentlemanly qualities,? none of this, and I mean NONE of this would have
>> happened.
>> For some? reason, one guy hunting rocks on TV is not enough to make
>> anyone
>> take a second? look.? And even two guys hunting for space rocks is not
>> enough either.? Geoff's ability to articulate WHY these amazing visitors
>> from space are so special adds an element that I don't think anyone else
>> in
>> the meteorite world could have been able to do.? Of course there are
>> others
>> that can talk about why meteorites are great, but Geoff will get his
>> fingernails dirty, jump in a hole, get excited with the rest of us, and
>> still be able to? articulate to the audience why he is, so excited, and
>> why
>> the viewers at home? should be too.
>>
>> You might notice in the written descriptions about the? show where
>> sometimes
>> it might say "Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin..." and other? times it will
>> say
>> "Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold..." I suppose the powers that? be want to
>> give us equal credit in flip flopping our names from time to? time.? And
>> while ego might want one's name to show up first, I really do? like it
>> when
>> Geoff's name is first, because I know I could be replaced in this? show
>> far
>> easier than he ever could.? In fact, I am certain without Geoff,? none
>> of
>> this would be remotely possible.? Geoff, thank you.? I am so? proud to
>> count
>> you as a dear friend, first, and as a hunting partner? second.? Cheers
>> ol'
>> chap!
>>
>> The more that happens, the more I see? that we are one big "organism"
>> that
>> depends on itself to sustain itself.? I? found myself so excited for
>> Shauna
>> Russell today as I watched the video of her? digging out the Springwater
>> meteorite.? Yes, she is a competitor of mine in? our field, but she is
>> also
>> a colleague in the field of rescuing these rusting? messengers before it
>> is
>> too late.? Congrats Shauna.? We all should be? excited for her.
>> Competition
>> makes us all sharper.? So a big "thank? you" goes out to the other
>> dealers
>> and hunters in our community, that compete? with passion with and even
>> against us, but still compete fairly.
>>
>> We live? on a big planet.? There are plenty of meteorites for all of us
>> to
>> find.? And the "Meteorite Men" series is undoubtedly going to increase
>> both
>> collectors and hunters alike.? It is my desire that in the end, many
>> more
>> meteorites will be found, more collectors will be generated to support
>> the
>> expeditions of us all, more kids will be encouraged to follow a vocation
>> of
>> being scientists and more meteoriticists will be entering the field, and
>> more? funding will be provided for research, curating and displaying
>> meteorites world? wide.
>>
>> Our goal isn't to get more of the limited sized pie, but to help? make
>> the
>> pie much bigger for us all.
>>
>> Add everyone up that gets credit for? the new series, and we are easily
>> into
>> the thousands.
>>
>> It is? Geoff's and my desire that we do you all proud.? Of course, as
>> the
>> saying? goes, "If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no
>> one."
>> So, the? bottom line is: the network wants to please enough people so
>> that
>> the? advertising revenues will justify the money invested in the
>> project.
>>
>> Some of America will undoubtedly not be impressed.? Some in the
>> meteorite
>> world too will undoubtedly not be impressed.? For that we are? sorry.
>> But,
>>
>> we are doing our best, and we want to thank everyone? that has helped
>> make
>> tonight a reality.
>>
>> If I could do it, I would give? ALL of you a Harvey Award!
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Steve? Arnold
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From oxytropidoceras at cox.net  Thu Jan 21 07:55:29 2010
From: oxytropidoceras at cox.net (Paul H.)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 6:55:29 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Open Access (Downloadable) Papers on Impact
 Cratering , Sudbury, and So Forth
Message-ID: <20100121075529.LQM56.369909.imail@eastrmwml31>

Dear Friends,

There is an open-access summary paper about impact cratering
as a fundamental process in geoscience and planetary science
by a couple of well-known planetary geologists that can be 
downloaded from the ?Journal of Earth System Science?. The
paper is:

Pati, J. K., and W. U. Reimold, 2007, mpact cratering ? 
fundamental process in geoscience and planetary science.
Journal of Earth System Science. vol. 116, no. 2, pp. 81-169.

The PDF file of this article can be accessed from:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/fv7626hw45891713/fulltext.pdf  or

http://www.springerlink.com/content/fv7626hw45891713/?p=88f56a6373494a8aac46873c9fa9173f&pi=0

Other Impact-related PDF files that can be downloaded free of 
charge from the Internet are:

1. Ames, D. E., A. Davidson, and N. Wodicka, 2008, Geology 
of the Giant Sudbury Polymetallic Mining Camp, Ontario, 
Canada. Economic Geology. vol. 103, no. 5, pp. 1057-1077
DOI: 10.2113/gsecongeo.103.5.1057

This paper has a wonderful summary along with color geological 
maps of the relationship between metaliferous ores and geology
of the Sudbury Impact Structure.

PDF file can be found at:

http://instruct.uwo.ca/earth-sci/fieldlog/Sudbury/Ames/ames08.pdf

Abstract can be found at:

http://econgeol.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/extract/103/5/1057

2. A 14 MB Geologic Map of the Sudbury structure can be 
downloaded from:

http://instruct.uwo.ca/earth-sci/fieldlog/Sudbury/Ames/ames_map08.pdf

4. Reimold W. U. and Koeberl, C. (2008) Catastrophes, Extinctions and 
Evolution: 50 years of Impact Cratering Studies. In Harsh Gupta and 
Fareeduddin (Editors), Recent Advances in Earth System Sciences, 
Memoir no. 66, Geological Society of India, pp. 69-110.

PDF file at:

http://www.univie.ac.at/geochemistry/koeberl/publikation_list/319-Impact%20review-GeolSoc-India-Jubilee-2008.pdf

http://www.univie.ac.at/geochemistry/koeberl/publikation_list/

4. Chadwick, B., Ph. Claeys and B. Simonson, 2001, New evidence 
for a large Palaeoproterozoic impact: Spherules in a dolomite 
layer in the Ketilidian orogen. South Greenland. Journal of the 
Geological Society of London. vol. 158, pp. 331-340.

PDF file available from:

http://we.vub.ac.be/~dglg/Web/Claeys/Pubs/Chadwick-etal-01.pdf

http://we.vub.ac.be/~dglg/Web/Claeys/Claeys.htm

Yours,

Paul H.


From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Jan 21 08:21:13 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:21:13 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] More on radar images of Lorton, VA fall on MLK
In-Reply-To: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMIEMHEAAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>
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On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:50:44 -0800, you wrote:

>
>http://virga.sfsu.edu/pub/jetstream/jetstream/big/1001/10011900_jetstream_an
>al.gif

Just a tip in case some members are viewing their messages from work behind
filtered/censored internet connections-- you might now want to end your image
names with "anal.gif."

:-) 


From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Jan 21 08:23:28 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:23:28 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] More on radar images of Lorton, VA fall on MLK
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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:21:13 -0500, you wrote:

>filtered/censored internet connections-- you might now want to end your image
>names with "anal.gif."

I meant "not" end it.  Larry Lebofsky at least might never see it.  :-)


From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Thu Jan 21 10:28:32 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:28:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] More on radar images of Lorton, VA fall on MLK
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Message-ID: <6da1f49e92b4bb59553030bb996ebb38.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>

I saw it. It made it through. Might have succeeded since there was a line
break between an and al.gif!

Larry

> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:50:44 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>
>>http://virga.sfsu.edu/pub/jetstream/jetstream/big/1001/10011900_jetstream_an
>>al.gif
>
> Just a tip in case some members are viewing their messages from work
> behind
> filtered/censored internet connections-- you might now want to end your
> image
> names with "anal.gif."
>
> :-)
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From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Thu Jan 21 10:36:16 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:36:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
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Hi Mark (and Geoff if you see this):

I just received an email from the MIT Alumni Associaton and they are
meeting at the Sky Bar on the 27th from 5:00 to 8:00. I do not know how
many people will show up for that group.

Larry

PS Missed Mars, guess I left too early. :(

> Right on Larry, they had a 10" dob on the patio and lot's of folks were
> treated to a nice view of the moon, and low power looks at Mars.? Great
> venue!? I think I'm tied up next week because?I have?secretarial?duties at
> an annual?business meeting (but hoping I'm wrong - or able to come late).
>
> Anyways, for those who couldn't make it last night, make an effort to
> attend next week.? It's a guaranteed great time!
>
> Mark
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu" <lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu>
> To: Mark Bowling <minador at yahoo.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 3:19:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
>
> Yes, Mark, it was a great party. It was good to see everyone there!
>
> And it was clear!
>
> Hope to see everyone at the Lunar Lab exhibit on Saturday January 30.
>
> Larry in Tucson
>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> Great show, great party!? Thanks Geoff and everyone who helped make it
>> possible.? I hope I can make it next week for the Meteorite Men party.
>>
>> I was a pleasure visiting with everyone tonight.??Now I'm even
>> more?excited that the show is just around the corner, and the first
>> comprehensive AZ meteorites exhibition!? It's going to be an exciting
>> show
>> this year - I look forward to visiting with everyone some more.
>>
>> Mark B
>> Vail, AZ
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>>> meteorhntr at aol.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:04 PM
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey List,
>>>
>>> It is with great pleasure that? I invite all of you to sit down tonight
>>> and
>>> to take a journey to Canada with? Geoff Notkin and myself on Science
>>> Channel
>>> (9pm Eastern) on our first episode of? our first season of "Meteorite
>>> Men"
>>> the Series.
>>>
>>> I haven't seen the? episode myself yet, but some of our friends in the
>>> production office have, and? it promises to be a fun adventure and
>>> (don't
>>> tell anyone I said this, but) we do? find some meteorites in this
>>> episode.
>>>
>>> Geoff and I are keenly aware? that this TV series might be the best
>>> opportunity for the meteorite collecting? community to put our best
>>> foot
>>> forward and show the world a glimpse into what? makes our passion of
>>> collecting so exciting.? Of course we have to mix the? geeky science
>>> with a
>>> little humor and drama, or people won't stick around for? the end of
>>> the
>>> show, and won't come back next week.
>>>
>>> I want to give a HUGE? amount of credit to our LMNO Productions team.?
>>> We
>>> have had over 95 people? working on this show on the production side,
>>> not to
>>> mention the hundreds of? people working over on the Science Channel and
>>> Discovery Network to make this? happen.? Millions of dollars have been
>>> invested to bring this episode to? air, and it is very humbling
>>> realizing
>>> that while Geoff and I have our faces on? screen, NONE of this would be
>>> possible without the team behind the scenes.
>>>
>>> And, I would be remiss to not take the time to thank ALL of you that?
>>> have
>>> supported me over the last 18 years when I have tried to eek out a
>>> living in
>>> this crazy business.? If it weren't for the scientists who study these
>>> rocks, if it weren't for the collecting customers that buy a piece here
>>> and
>>> a
>>> slice there from me,? tonight would never have become a reality.
>>>
>>> I have to give a huge shout out to Blaine Reed who was my one and only
>>> customer for the first 6 years of my meteorite career.? In a business
>>> of
>>> "buy low and sell high," somehow, Blaine had a philosophy of "How much
>>> can I
>>> afford to pay Steve for what he brings me?" as opposed to "How cheap
>>> can
>>> I
>>> get these rocks from Steve?"? Blaine, if it weren't for you buddy, I
>>> would
>>> have? been out of this business before I even got into it.? I owe you a
>>> big
>>>
>>> Margarita at the Birthday Bash, and every Birthday Bash from here on
>>> out.
>>> In
>>> fact, anyone who likes this show tonight, buy Blaine a drink before you
>>> offer? me one, ok?
>>>
>>> Of course kudos have to go out to THE Meteorite Man Bob Haag,? who
>>> blazed a
>>> trail through a jungle that we all are enjoying the fruits of? now.
>>>
>>> Harvey Nininger, Oscar Monnig, Glen Huss, H.O. Stockwell, just to? name
>>> a
>>> few, are pillars that hold the roof over all of our heads now.
>>>
>>> I? have to thank my amazing wife, Qynne, and the two greatest daughters
>>> a
>>> guy could? ever hope to have, Lauren and Kelsey who have shared me and
>>> my
>>> time with this? calling.
>>>
>>> A big thanks goes out to Phil Mani who on a gut feeling? supported the
>>> Brenham adventure a few years back, which was one domino in the? series
>>> to
>>> fall that led to all of this.
>>>
>>> There is a huge amount of credit? and thanks that needs to be extended
>>> to
>>> the 8n8 crew that inadvertently? journeyed with me to the Alpha site
>>> several
>>> years back which ended up being in? our pilot episode.? All of you guys
>>> are
>>> getting your financial return on? the project, but also know from me
>>> that
>>> you guys also deserve a monster sized? "Thank You."? You are
>>> appreciated
>>> more than you will ever know.
>>>
>>> And? personally, I have to give the greatest amount of credit to my
>>> hunting
>>> partner? Geoff Notkin. If it weren't for Geoff's talents and true
>>> gentlemanly qualities,? none of this, and I mean NONE of this would
>>> have
>>> happened.
>>> For some? reason, one guy hunting rocks on TV is not enough to make
>>> anyone
>>> take a second? look.? And even two guys hunting for space rocks is not
>>> enough either.? Geoff's ability to articulate WHY these amazing
>>> visitors
>>> from space are so special adds an element that I don't think anyone
>>> else
>>> in
>>> the meteorite world could have been able to do.? Of course there are
>>> others
>>> that can talk about why meteorites are great, but Geoff will get his
>>> fingernails dirty, jump in a hole, get excited with the rest of us, and
>>> still be able to? articulate to the audience why he is, so excited, and
>>> why
>>> the viewers at home? should be too.
>>>
>>> You might notice in the written descriptions about the? show where
>>> sometimes
>>> it might say "Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin..." and other? times it
>>> will
>>> say
>>> "Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold..." I suppose the powers that? be want
>>> to
>>> give us equal credit in flip flopping our names from time to? time.?
>>> And
>>> while ego might want one's name to show up first, I really do? like it
>>> when
>>> Geoff's name is first, because I know I could be replaced in this? show
>>> far
>>> easier than he ever could.? In fact, I am certain without Geoff,? none
>>> of
>>> this would be remotely possible.? Geoff, thank you.? I am so? proud to
>>> count
>>> you as a dear friend, first, and as a hunting partner? second.? Cheers
>>> ol'
>>> chap!
>>>
>>> The more that happens, the more I see? that we are one big "organism"
>>> that
>>> depends on itself to sustain itself.? I? found myself so excited for
>>> Shauna
>>> Russell today as I watched the video of her? digging out the
>>> Springwater
>>> meteorite.? Yes, she is a competitor of mine in? our field, but she is
>>> also
>>> a colleague in the field of rescuing these rusting? messengers before
>>> it
>>> is
>>> too late.? Congrats Shauna.? We all should be? excited for her.
>>> Competition
>>> makes us all sharper.? So a big "thank? you" goes out to the other
>>> dealers
>>> and hunters in our community, that compete? with passion with and even
>>> against us, but still compete fairly.
>>>
>>> We live? on a big planet.? There are plenty of meteorites for all of us
>>> to
>>> find.? And the "Meteorite Men" series is undoubtedly going to increase
>>> both
>>> collectors and hunters alike.? It is my desire that in the end, many
>>> more
>>> meteorites will be found, more collectors will be generated to support
>>> the
>>> expeditions of us all, more kids will be encouraged to follow a
>>> vocation
>>> of
>>> being scientists and more meteoriticists will be entering the field,
>>> and
>>> more? funding will be provided for research, curating and displaying
>>> meteorites world? wide.
>>>
>>> Our goal isn't to get more of the limited sized pie, but to help? make
>>> the
>>> pie much bigger for us all.
>>>
>>> Add everyone up that gets credit for? the new series, and we are easily
>>> into
>>> the thousands.
>>>
>>> It is? Geoff's and my desire that we do you all proud.? Of course, as
>>> the
>>> saying? goes, "If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no
>>> one."
>>> So, the? bottom line is: the network wants to please enough people so
>>> that
>>> the? advertising revenues will justify the money invested in the
>>> project.
>>>
>>> Some of America will undoubtedly not be impressed.? Some in the
>>> meteorite
>>> world too will undoubtedly not be impressed.? For that we are? sorry.
>>> But,
>>>
>>> we are doing our best, and we want to thank everyone? that has helped
>>> make
>>> tonight a reality.
>>>
>>> If I could do it, I would give? ALL of you a Harvey Award!
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Steve? Arnold
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From markmurphy at cablerocket.com  Thu Jan 21 10:52:53 2010
From: markmurphy at cablerocket.com (Mark Murphy)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:52:53 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] test please delete
Message-ID: <D69BC12F-6CD9-4EC6-BBAB-9EE3B17BD3C3@cablerocket.com>

test


From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Thu Jan 21 11:16:20 2010
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:16:20 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Video
Message-ID: <7E271D06198849FFA8280ABB970E8002@Bandli1>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wejD6FeDmoU

Enjoy


-----------------------------------
Mike Bandli
Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA?#5765
-----------------------------------




From valparint at aol.com  Thu Jan 21 11:08:58 2010
From: valparint at aol.com (valparint at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:08:58 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
Message-ID: <CB5A45A8F9614966B2D06E826D449725@vpoffsiteweb.local>

Great Meteorite Premier last night. Super venue! Save me a seat for the next 5 Wednesdays.

Paul Swartz


From oxytropidoceras at cox.net  Thu Jan 21 11:34:45 2010
From: oxytropidoceras at cox.net (Paul H.)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:34:45 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Show at University of Arizona Lunar and
 Planetary Laboratory
Message-ID: <20100121113445.1IQH2.72047.imail@eastrmwml41>

Lunar and Planetary Laboratory Holds Arizona Meteorite 
Exhibition, University of Arizona News, January 14, 2010

http://uanews.org/node/29528

Meteorite show at the University of Arizona by Aaron 
Pickering, KOLD News, January 15, 2010,

http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=11828255

Yours,

Paul H.




From oxytropidoceras at cox.net  Thu Jan 21 11:40:45 2010
From: oxytropidoceras at cox.net (Paul H.)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:40:45 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men visit Science Cafe
Message-ID: <20100121114045.L3OXN.72166.imail@eastrmwml41>

'Meteorite Men' visit Science Caf? by Luke Money
Arizona Daily Wildcat, January 13, 2010.

http://wildcat.arizona.edu/news/meteorite-men-visit-science-cafe-1.1010099

The Logical Lizard Blog on Meteorite Men

http://tucsoncitizen.com/lizard/2010/01/12/meet-the-logical-lizard-at-flandraus-science-cafe-tonight/

Yours,

Paul H.



From oxytropidoceras at cox.net  Thu Jan 21 11:47:25 2010
From: oxytropidoceras at cox.net (Paul H.)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:47:25 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Near-Earth Encounters Can 'Shake' Asteroids
Message-ID: <20100121114725.K5YS8.72293.imail@eastrmwml41>

Near-Earth Encounters Can 'Shake' Asteroids, 
Science Daily, January 20, 2010

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100120131149.htm

Earth Causes Asteroids to Shake, Rattle and Roll Discovery 
News by Irene Klotz, January 20, 2010.

http://news.discovery.com/space/asteroid-earth-gravity-landslide.html

Meteorite colour mystery 'solved', BBC News, January 20, 2010

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8468999.stm

The paper is:

Binzel, R. P., A. Morbidelli, S. Merouane, F. E. DeMeo, M. Birlan, 
P. Vernazza, C. A. Thomas, A. S. Rivkin, S. J. Bus,  and A. T. 
Tokunaga, 2010, Earth encounters as the origin of fresh surfaces 
on near-Earth asteroids. Nature. vol. 463, no. 7279, pp. 331-334.
doi:10.1038/nature08709

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v463/n7279/full/nature08709.html

Yours,

Paul H.


From fallingfusion at wi.rr.com  Thu Jan 21 12:27:50 2010
From: fallingfusion at wi.rr.com (fallingfusion at wi.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:27:50 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Beautiful Juancheng
Message-ID: <20100121172750.DIKMV.220944.root@cdptpa-web05-z02>

To anyone remotely interested...

Feel free to make a reasonable offer on this stone - I'm sure we'd be able to work something out. Need to sell it soon. 

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2302046810104513749DovUEf

I have received a few compliments so far. This one is sweet, but many collectors already have a nice one (..or two, or three ; )

Grab it fast!

Ryan



---- fallingfusion at wi.rr.com wrote: 
> Hey list members - here's a question for ya:
> 
> How many large, top grade Juancheng stones do you see available nowadays? And if so, under $5/g?
> 
> http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2302046810104513749DovUEf
> 
> 197g - 95% fusion crust (signature blu'ish hue) with outstanding thumb-printing.  $980 shipped with payment through Paypal, check, or money order.
> 
> Need a quick sale. Thanks!
> 
> Ryan
> 


From markmurphy at cablerocket.com  Thu Jan 21 13:20:09 2010
From: markmurphy at cablerocket.com (Mark Murphy)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:20:09 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad:Buzzard Coulee with Canadian Export Permit
Message-ID: <30222E4F-DE9F-466A-AD1F-BFE18F5105AF@cablerocket.com>

Hello List,

I really enjoy all your posts. Can't wait to meet,talk and trade with  
many of you in Tucson.

I have just received 15 approved Buzzard Coulee Canadian Export  
Permits from 15 export applications.
Not bad and just in time for the Tucson Show. I submitted a separate  
application for each meteorite so that every stone will come with its  
original Canadian Export Permit and not a copy. I've listed one of  
them a nice 4.3 gram crusted individual on ebay. It's starting at .99  
cents and if your going to be at the Tucson Show between Jan 29-Feb  
15 free hand delivered shipping could be arranged.

Sorry for not providing the ebay auction link but for some unknown  
reason to me every time I attach the link my message wont post on the  
list. Not hard to find though it's the only Buzzard Coulee on ebay as  
of current.

Many Thanks,

Mark Murphy
IMCA# 6216


From michael at rocksfromspace.org  Thu Jan 21 17:49:00 2010
From: michael at rocksfromspace.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:49:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 21,
	2010
Message-ID: <2135749043.1826721264114140989.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_21_2010.html



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Jan 21 17:51:09 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:51:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rover Gives NASA an 'Opportunity' to View Interior
	of Mars
Message-ID: <201001212251.o0LMp9UF029173@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>



Jan. 21, 2010

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.brown at nasa.gov 

Guy Webster 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
818-354-6278 
guy.webster at jpl.nasa.gov 

MEDIA ADVISORY: 10-016

ROVER GIVES NASA AN "OPPORTUNITY" TO VIEW INTERIOR OF MARS

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Mars exploration rover Opportunity is 
allowing scientists to get a glimpse deep inside Mars. 

Perched on a rippled Martian plain, a dark rock not much bigger than a 
basketball was the target of interest for Opportunity during the past 
two months. Dubbed "Marquette Island," the rock is providing a better 
understanding of the mineral and chemical makeup of the Martian 
interior. 

"Marquette Island is different in composition and character from any 
known rock on Mars or meteorite from Mars," said Steve Squyres of 
Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y. Squyres is principal investigator 
for Opportunity and its twin, Spirit. "It is one of the coolest 
things Opportunity has found in a very long time." 

During six years of roving, Opportunity has found only one other rock 
of comparable size that scientists conclude was ejected from a 
distant crater. The rover studied the first such rock during its 
initial three-month mission. Called "Bounce Rock," that rock closely 
matched the composition of a meteorite from Mars found on Earth. 

Marquette Island is a coarse-grained rock with a basalt composition. 
The coarseness indicates it cooled slowly from molten rock, allowing 
crystals time to grow. This composition suggests to geologists that 
it originated deep in the crust, not at the surface where it would 
cool quicker and have finer-grained texture. 

"It is from deep in the crust and someplace far away on Mars, though 
exactly how deep and how far we can't yet estimate," said Squyres. 

The composition of Marquette Island, as well as its texture, 
distinguishes it from other Martian basalt rocks that rovers and 
landers have examined. Scientists first thought the rock could be 
another in a series of meteorites that Opportunity has found. 
However, a much lower nickel content in Marquette Island indicates a 
Martian origin. The rock's interior contains more magnesium than in 
typical Martian basalt rocks Spirit has studied. Researchers are 
determining whether it might represent the precursor rock altered 
long ago by sulfuric acid to become the sulfate-rich sandstone 
bedrock that blankets the region of Mars that Opportunity is 
exploring. 

"It's like having a fragment from another landing site," said Ralf 
Gellert of the University of Guelph, in Ontario, Canada. Gellert is 
lead scientist for the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer on 
Opportunity's robotic arm. "With analysis at an early stage, we're 
still working on some riddles about this rock." 

The rover team used Opportunity's rock abrasion tool to grind away 
some of Marquette Island's weathered surface and expose the interior. 
This was the 38th rock target Opportunity has ground into, and one of 
the hardest. The tool was designed to grind into one Martian rock, 
and this rock may not be its last. 

"We took a conservative approach on our target depth for this grind to 
ensure we will have enough of the bit left to grind the next hard 
rock that Opportunity comes across," said Joanna Cohen of Honeybee 
Robotics Spacecraft Mechanisms Corp., in New York, which built and 
operates the tool. 

Opportunity currently is about 30 percent of the way on a 12-mile trek 
begun in mid-2008 from a crater it studied for two years. It is en 
route toward a much larger crater, Endeavour. The rover traveled 3.3 
miles in 2009, farther than in any other year on Mars. Opportunity 
drove away from Marquette Island on Jan. 12. 

"We're on the road again," said Mike Seibert, a rover mission manager 
at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "The year 
ahead will include lots more driving, if all goes well. We'll keep 
pushing for Endeavour crater but watch for interesting targets along 
the way where we can stop and smell the roses." 

Since landing on Mars in 2004, Opportunity has made numerous 
scientific discoveries, including the first mineralogical evidence 
that Mars had liquid water. After working 24 times longer than 
originally planned, Opportunity has driven more than 11 miles and 
returned more than 133,000 images. JPL manages the rovers for NASA's 
Science Mission Directorate in Washington. 

For more information about the rovers, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/rovers 
	
-end-



From gmhupe at htn.net  Thu Jan 21 17:59:49 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:59:49 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
	21, 2010
References: <2135749043.1826721264114140989.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>
Message-ID: <D4F9D7E55D0647FC85F00B2F471E8B9A@Gregor>

Way to go Robert and Mike!! Pretty cool artifacts!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Johnson" <michael at rocksfromspace.org>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:49 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 
21,2010


> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_21_2010.html
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From ad552 at mac.com  Thu Jan 21 18:17:24 2010
From: ad552 at mac.com (ad552 at mac.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:17:24 +0900
Subject: [meteorite-list] Question re asteroids' near-earth encounters
Message-ID: <2551092906233514992568659776416327474-Webmail@me.com>

"So on the surfaces of these rubble piles, rocks are shaken and turned over, to reveal a fresh, unweathered surface underneath."

Question: Is it possible when these rubble piles (asteroids) are shaken by the near-earth encounter that dust/debris could escape from the asteroid and fall eventually to earth?


From markmurphy at cablerocket.com  Thu Jan 21 18:35:21 2010
From: markmurphy at cablerocket.com (Mark Murphy)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:35:21 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD:Buzzard Coulee Meteorite with Canadian Export
	Permit-CORRECTION-
Message-ID: <C2EB2000-A047-4A3D-A16E-16C479C80C26@cablerocket.com>

Hello List,

Thanks for all your interest in Buzzard Coulee. I am bringing them  
all to the Tucson Show mainly for trade.

I would like to make a correction to my last post. The original  
Buzzard Coulee Export Permit is kept at Canadian Customs and buyer  
will receive a copy. The 4.3 gram Individual on ebay may involve a  
delay if purchased outside of Canada or the USA. So Please don't bid  
if your overseas unless your alright with a delay. However, Free  
shipping to the Tucson Show (maybe even a couple of margaritas!)

Im sorry to learn of this just after my post. I deeply regret if I  
was misleading in any way.

Respectfully,

Mark Murphy
IMCA# 6216


From info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar  Thu Jan 21 21:09:06 2010
From: info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar (Eduardo)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:09:06 -0300
Subject: [meteorite-list] Pre-Tucson sale. 1 day left. Very nice specimens
Message-ID: <SBS-1aqbC8wSA1XvpFV0000000f@sbs-1.abaco.local>

Hi

There is one day left for my pre-Tucson sale.

All the specimens have fixed prices and best offer options. If you like 
any of the specimens and want to make a reasonable offer this is the 
moment to do it.

Take a look at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZsmfmeteoritesQQhtZ-1

still available:

Covert  14.5KG MAIN MASS
Allende   250g half thin slice
Barratta  592 g full slice
Ghubara 2.8kg end piece
Gibeon. Great  specimens up to 9kg.
Gao-Guenie 908g 90%fc nice individual
Chinga 1255g complete specimen
Sahara 98488 374g Mesosiderite from the Labenne early expeditions 

and many more

And of course, if you don't want to buy them just look at the photos. 
Worth the time!

Hope to see you at Tucson show: Executive Inn Hotel, room 136 (at 333w 
drachman st)

Eduardo


-----Original Message-----
From: "Eduardo" <info at mineralesyfosiles.com.ar>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 08:34:24 -0300
Subject: Pre-Tucson.  Huge sale.

> Hi
> This year I decided to offer on-line some of the specimens I have in my
> Tucson room.
> 
> There are over 30 really amazing specimens including:
> 
> Covert  14.5KG MAIN MASS
> Esquel   529g perfect slice (and a couple of smaller specimens)
> Allende   250g half thin slice
> Barratta  592 g full slice
> Ghubara 2.8kg end piece
> Gibeon. Great  specimens up to 9kg.
> 
> All specimens with fixed Price and best offer option can be seen at:
> 
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZsmfmeteoritesQQhtZ-1
> 
> I will ship them on Feb 1 from Tucson
> Of course, free shipping if you pick em up from our room at Tucson show
> from Feb 1 to feb 8:
> Executive Inn, room 136 (333 w drachman st)
> hope to see you soon
> Eduardo



From mlblood at cox.net  Thu Jan 21 21:15:48 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:15:48 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men DVD
In-Reply-To: <D4F9D7E55D0647FC85F00B2F471E8B9A@Gregor>
Message-ID: <C77E4A54.AE6A%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi All,
        Several people off list have contacted me
Wanting a copy of the DVD I recorded.
        Unfortunately, while I have a DVD
Recorder, I do not have a DVD COPIER.
        However, perhaps Geoff &/or Steve
Have access to DVDs of their shows???
        Wishing I were already in Tucson
(Can't leave until a week from today
Due to semester just starting).
        Best wishes, Michael
PS: That photo of the evidence of braking
And entering the Dr.'s Office has me DROOLING!





From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Jan 21 22:28:52 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:28:52 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men DVD
In-Reply-To: <C77E4A54.AE6A%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <D4F9D7E55D0647FC85F00B2F471E8B9A@Gregor>
	<C77E4A54.AE6A%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <tm6il5deol5s31gkd0v1s0oag8pp89l6ch@4ax.com>

On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:15:48 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi All,
>        Several people off list have contacted me
>Wanting a copy of the DVD I recorded.
>        Unfortunately, while I have a DVD
>Recorder, I do not have a DVD COPIER.

Here's a 624x352 version of it.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/qll9va

http://www.sendspace.com/file/l11736

I'll post links for a 1280x720 version (1.09 GB) as soon as it finishes
uploading.


From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 22:49:46 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:49:46 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Recent Confirmed Falls
Message-ID: <e51421551001211949k6e1c8ber625a3045b1f103a8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List!

I am compiling a list of approved falls that have taken place since
2007.  I can't help but think I am overlooking one or two.  These are
only official falls recognized by the Met Bulletin.  Can anyone help
me with missing falls or information below that is inaccurate?  What
ever happened to Zunhua?  Didn't that become official?  I can't find
it in the bulletin.

Best regards and thanks in advance,

MikeG


2007 -

Dim Dim (H3-5 chondrite) : Turkey
Mahadevpur (H4/5 chondrite) : India (Hammer)
Puerto LaPice (Eucrite) : Spain
Chergach (H5 chondrite) : Mali
Cali (H/L4 chondrite) : Columbia (Hammer)
Bunburra Rockhole (Eucrite) : Australia
Carancas (H4-5 chondrite) : Peru (Hammer and Crater Maker)

2008 -

Santa Lucia 2008 (L6 chondrite) : Argentina
Berduc (L6 chondrite) : Argentina
Sulagiri (LL6 chondrite) : India
Almahata Sitta (Ureilite) : Sudan
Buzzard Coulee (H4 chondrite) : Canada
Tamdakht (H5 chondrite) : Morocco

2009 -

Maribo (CM2 carbonaceous chondrite) : Denmark
Ash Creek (L6 chondrite) : Texas USA (Hammer)
Whetstone Mountains (H5 chondrite) : Arizona USA
 Grimsby (H5 chondrite) : Canada (Hammer)

2010 -

Lorton (type unknown) : Virginia USA (Hammer)


From cynapse at charter.net  Thu Jan 21 23:57:20 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:57:20 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men DVD
In-Reply-To: <C77E4A54.AE6A%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <D4F9D7E55D0647FC85F00B2F471E8B9A@Gregor>
	<C77E4A54.AE6A%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <dubil5tfrk9e1ialv7vmgun6jp68u1dot2@4ax.com>

Avast, here be the 1280x720 version, yargh.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/66agft

http://www.sendspace.com/file/90dq2g

http://www.sendspace.com/file/sby1qa

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4nqenu


From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Jan 22 00:59:42 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:59:42 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Micrometeorites and the Mysteries of Our Origins
In-Reply-To: <SBS-1aqbC8wSA1XvpFV0000000f@sbs-1.abaco.local>
References: <SBS-1aqbC8wSA1XvpFV0000000f@sbs-1.abaco.local>
Message-ID: <mlfil5pq9t2oefee0hcnmgni1o0bo9bvqr@4ax.com>

http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/Micrometeorites_and_the_Mysteries_of_Our_Origins.html


From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 01:19:10 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:19:10 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] 21st Century Falls - 53 of them? (it's late,
	my counting may be off)
Message-ID: <e51421551001212219s103a22edkcf1a406e5de4e296@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone spot any errors or omissions?  (Met Bull. official falls only)


21st Century Meteorite Witnessed Falls  :

2000 -

Jan 18, 2000 - Tagish Lake (C2-ung carbonaceous chondrite) : Canada
May 06, 2000 - Moravka (H5 chondrite) : Czech Republic
Jul 15, 2000 - Yafa (H5 chondrite) : Yemen
Aug 22, 2000 - Gasseltepaoua (H5 chondrite) : Burkina Faso


2001 -

Jan 08, 2001 - Beni M'hira (L6 chondrite) : Tunisia
Feb 08, 2001 - Al Zarnkh (LL5 chondrite) : Sudan
Feb 12, 2001 - Devgaon (H3.8 chondrite) : India
Mar 02, 2001 - Dergaon (H5 chondrite) : India
Jul 09, 2001 - Bukhara (CV3 carbonaceous chondrite) : Uzbekistan

2002 -

Feb 03-14 2002 - Alby sur Cheran (Eucrite) : France (Hammer)
Feb 11, 2002 - Bensour (LL6 chondrite) : Morocco
Feb 20, 2002 - San Michele (L6 chondrite) : Italy (Hammer)
Apr 06, 2002 -  Neuschwanstein (EL6 chondrite) : Germany
Jun 06, 2002 - Bhawad (LL6 chondrite) : India
Jul 05, 2002 - Maromandia (L6 chondrite) : Madagascar
Jul 21, 2002 - Thuathe (H4/5 chondrite) : Lesotho (Hammer)
Jul 21, 2002 - Kilabo (LL6 chondrite) : Nigeria

2003 -

Feb 01, 2003 - Hiroshima (H5 chondrite) : Japan (Hammer)
Mar 30, 2003 - Hoima (H6 chondrite) : Uganda
Mar 26, 2003 - Park Forest (L5 chondrite) : Illinois USA (Hammer)
Sep 23, 2003 - New Orleans (H5 chondrite) : Louisiana USA (Hammer)
Sep 27, 2003 - Kendrapara (H4-5 chondrite) : India
Oct 16, 2003 - Oum Dreyga (H3-5 chondrite) : Rio de Oro
Nov 02, 2003 - Kasauli (H4 chondrite) : India

2004 -

Jan 04, 2004 - Villabeto de la Pena (L6 chondrite) : Spain
Aug 01, 2004 - Maigatari-Danduma (H5/6 chondrite) : Nigeria
Oct 05, 2004 - Berthoud (Eucrite) : Colorado USA
Oct 28, 2004 - Kaprada (L5/6 chondrite) : India
Nov 08, 2004 - Orlando (Eucrite) : Florida USA (Hammer)
Nov 22, 2004 - Benguerir (LL6 chondrite) : Morocco

2005 - None.

2006 -

May 21, 2006 - Werdama (H5 chondrite) : Libya
Jul 14, 2006 - Moss (CO3.6 carbonaceous chondrite) : Norway (Hammer)
Jul 31, 2006 - Jodaya (L5 chondrite) : India
Aug 29, 2006 - Kavarpura (Iron IIE-an) : India
Oct 16, 2006 - Bassikounou (H5 chondrite) : Mauritania

2007 -

Feb 01, 2007 - Dim Dim (H3-5 chondrite) : Turkey
Feb 21, 2007 - Mahadevpur (H4/5 chondrite) : India (Hammer)
May 10, 2007 - Puerto LaPice (Eucrite) : Spain
Jul 02/03, 2007 - Chergach (H5 chondrite) : Mali
Jul 06, 2007 - Cali (H/L4 chondrite) : Columbia (Hammer)
Jul 20, 2007 - Bunburra Rockhole (Eucrite) : Australia
Sep 15, 2007 - Carancas (H4-5 chondrite) : Peru (Hammer and Crater Maker)

2008 -

Jan 23, 2008 - Santa Lucia 2008 (L6 chondrite) : Argentina
Apr 06, 2008 - Berduc (L6 chondrite) : Argentina
Sep 12, 2008  - Sulagiri (LL6 chondrite) : India
Oct 07, 2008 - Almahata Sitta (Ureilite) : Sudan
Nov 20, 2008 - Buzzard Coulee (H4 chondrite) : Canada
Dec 20, 2008 - Tamdakht (H5 chondrite) : Morocco

2009 -

Jan 17, 2009 - Maribo (CM2 carbonaceous chondrite) : Denmark
Feb 15, 2009 - Ash Creek (L6 chondrite) : Texas USA (Hammer)
Jun 23, 2009 - Whetstone Mountains (H5 chondrite) : Arizona USA
Sep 25, 2009 - Grimsby (H5 chondrite) : Canada (Hammer)

2010 -

Jan 18, 2008 - Lorton (type unknown) : Virginia USA (Hammer)


From photophlow at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 22 02:48:36 2010
From: photophlow at yahoo.com (Shawn Alan)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:48:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
Message-ID: <857235.96157.qm@web113607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello List
?
I saw this video on youtube and the Lorton Meteorite is the 4th Meteorite to fall in VA in the past 100 hundred years. The main mass so far is 308g and it has been noted that its a Chondrite meteorite. I?wish I had a car because I live in NYC if I did I would be?out in Lorton in a hot?minute looking around for?other pieces from the Lorton meteorite with the experts.?Here is the link to the video I saw on youtube. Have fun.
?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wejD6FeDmoU
?
Shawn Alan


From photophlow at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 22 03:05:12 2010
From: photophlow at yahoo.com (Shawn Alan)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:05:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Location of the Lorton Meteorite Fall
Message-ID: <70784.558.qm@web113603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello Listers,

Here is a link to the exact location where the Lorton Meteorite was recoverd at. 

 http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&ie=UTF8&q=Dr.+Frank+Ciampi+lorton&fb=1&gl=us&hq=Dr.+Frank+Ciampi&hnear=lorton&view=map&cid=2755363001104643764&iwloc=A&ved=0CBgQpQY&sa=X&ei=4VlZS9v1LIiEzASknJSBCA

I did a google map directions search and I am only 244 mi from Lorton. Thats a 4 hour drive with no traffic.... I need to talk to friends with cars or something.

Shawn Alan  


From info at meteorites.com.au  Fri Jan 22 03:34:58 2010
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:34:58 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad:Buzzard Coulee with Canadian Export Permit
In-Reply-To: <30222E4F-DE9F-466A-AD1F-BFE18F5105AF@cablerocket.com>
References: <30222E4F-DE9F-466A-AD1F-BFE18F5105AF@cablerocket.com>
Message-ID: <611385F53FD942F39F5EA53427595F78@JeffPC>

Hi all,

I already purchased one of Mark's Buzzard Coulee stones a while ago which is 
now on it's way after receiving clearance this week. I highly recommend 
taking a look at what Mark has as there are some really nice pieces and I 
don't expect they will last very long.

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Murphy" <markmurphy at cablerocket.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:20 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad:Buzzard Coulee with Canadian Export Permit


> Hello List,
>
> I really enjoy all your posts. Can't wait to meet,talk and trade with 
> many of you in Tucson.
>
> I have just received 15 approved Buzzard Coulee Canadian Export  Permits 
> from 15 export applications.
> Not bad and just in time for the Tucson Show. I submitted a separate 
> application for each meteorite so that every stone will come with its 
> original Canadian Export Permit and not a copy. I've listed one of  them a 
> nice 4.3 gram crusted individual on ebay. It's starting at .99  cents and 
> if your going to be at the Tucson Show between Jan 29-Feb  15 free hand 
> delivered shipping could be arranged.
>
> Sorry for not providing the ebay auction link but for some unknown  reason 
> to me every time I attach the link my message wont post on the  list. Not 
> hard to find though it's the only Buzzard Coulee on ebay as  of current.
>
> Many Thanks,
>
> Mark Murphy
> IMCA# 6216
> ______________________________________________
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> 



From majbaermann at web.de  Fri Jan 22 03:57:36 2010
From: majbaermann at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rmann?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:57:36 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Recent Confirmed Falls
References: <e51421551001211949k6e1c8ber625a3045b1f103a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <626A8C364AC64F09A12E30A8CFBA901A@thinkcentre>

--> http://jensenmeteorites.com/New%20meteorites.htm

Best regards,

Matthias B.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:49 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Recent Confirmed Falls


> Hi List!
>
> I am compiling a list of approved falls that have taken place since
> 2007.  I can't help but think I am overlooking one or two.  These are
> only official falls recognized by the Met Bulletin.  Can anyone help
> me with missing falls or information below that is inaccurate?  What
> ever happened to Zunhua?  Didn't that become official?  I can't find
> it in the bulletin.
>
> Best regards and thanks in advance,
>
> MikeG
>
>
> 2007 -
>
> Dim Dim (H3-5 chondrite) : Turkey
> Mahadevpur (H4/5 chondrite) : India (Hammer)
> Puerto LaPice (Eucrite) : Spain
> Chergach (H5 chondrite) : Mali
> Cali (H/L4 chondrite) : Columbia (Hammer)
> Bunburra Rockhole (Eucrite) : Australia
> Carancas (H4-5 chondrite) : Peru (Hammer and Crater Maker)
>
> 2008 -
>
> Santa Lucia 2008 (L6 chondrite) : Argentina
> Berduc (L6 chondrite) : Argentina
> Sulagiri (LL6 chondrite) : India
> Almahata Sitta (Ureilite) : Sudan
> Buzzard Coulee (H4 chondrite) : Canada
> Tamdakht (H5 chondrite) : Morocco
>
> 2009 -
>
> Maribo (CM2 carbonaceous chondrite) : Denmark
> Ash Creek (L6 chondrite) : Texas USA (Hammer)
> Whetstone Mountains (H5 chondrite) : Arizona USA
> Grimsby (H5 chondrite) : Canada (Hammer)
>
> 2010 -
>
> Lorton (type unknown) : Virginia USA (Hammer)
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From mstreman53 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 22 04:25:24 2010
From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (MEM)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:25:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall - Meteorite Smashes
	Through Roof!
In-Reply-To: <20100122023838.32734.qmail@ip-68-178-193-11.ip.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <599638.36096.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Thanks, Eric for putting this page together!  There was very little fanfare as this went( came) down.  Now we know the rest of the story.

Elton

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, eric at meteoritesusa.com <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:

> 
> Here's my latest article (rather a conglomeration of
> information) ...
> ARTICLE: Lorton Meteorite Fall: http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/lorton-meteorite-fall/
> 
> Enjoy,
> Regards,
> Eric



From mlblood at cox.net  Fri Jan 22 07:33:01 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:33:01 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Recent Confirmed Falls
In-Reply-To: <e51421551001211949k6e1c8ber625a3045b1f103a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C77EDAFD.AE93%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Mike,
        Try here:
If you go to Google, under, " Zunhua Meteorite classification"
The top listing you will get is:

[PDF] 
A Brief Document on Zunhua Meteorite
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAcQFjAA&url=htt
p%3A%2F%2Fwww.fallingrocks.com%2FCollections%2Fpdfs%2FBrief_document_on_Zunh
ua_meteorite.pdf&rct=j&q=Zunhua+Meteorite+classification&ei=H5lZS5nwOIOysgOa
qvWgAw&usg=AFQjCNGOLtHzDLCL3KWUyceAf5iQKRXlZQ>
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
<http://www.google.com/url?url=http://docs.google.com/viewer%3Fa%3Dv%26q%3Dc
ache:xGzhU20OyXQJ:www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/pdfs/Brief_document_on_Zu
nhua_meteorite.pdf%2BZunhua%2BMeteorite%2Bclassification%26hl%3Den%26gl%3Dus
%26sig%3DAHIEtbR-hcT_miS9yoz2KrdRjyEy519TUQ&rct=j&ei=H5lZS5nwOIOysgOaqvWgAw&
sa=X&oi=gview&resnum=1&ct=other&ved=0CAgQxQEwAA&q=Zunhua+Meteorite+classific
ation&usg=AFQjCNG018lN69teEEjEyNgRor7z6vDnmw>
The classification is still in the progress as of today. Zunhua is just a
provisional name for it. The meteorite laboratory of Beijing Planetarium is
...
www.fallingrocks.com/.../pdfs/Brief_document_on_Zunhua_meteorite.pdf

        Best wishes, Michael


On 1/21/10 7:49 PM, "Michael Gilmer" <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi List!
> 
> I am compiling a list of approved falls that have taken place since
> 2007.  I can't help but think I am overlooking one or two.  These are
> only official falls recognized by the Met Bulletin.  Can anyone help
> me with missing falls or information below that is inaccurate?  What
> ever happened to Zunhua?  Didn't that become official?  I can't find
> it in the bulletin.
> 
> Best regards and thanks in advance,
> 
> MikeG




From jakewayne1989 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 22 10:19:00 2010
From: jakewayne1989 at yahoo.com (Jake Wayne)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:19:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
Message-ID: <456718.24342.qm@web113006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Shawn:

Do they rent cars in New York?  Amtrack probably runs between NYC and Washington DC if you are anywhere close.  Greyhound Bus could be an option.  If I was as close as you I would even consider hitch hiking.

Good Luck.

Jake


--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:48 AM
> Hello List
> ?
> I saw this video on youtube and the Lorton Meteorite is the
> 4th Meteorite to fall in VA in the past 100 hundred years.
> The main mass so far is 308g and it has been noted that its
> a Chondrite meteorite. I?wish I had a car because I live in
> NYC if I did I would be?out in Lorton in a hot?minute
> looking around for?other pieces from the Lorton meteorite
> with the experts.?Here is the link to the video I saw on
> youtube. Have fun.
> ?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wejD6FeDmoU
> ?
> Shawn Alan
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From paul at meteorite.com  Fri Jan 22 10:39:34 2010
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:39:34 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for a White Goldmaster metal detector for
	sale
Message-ID: <4B59C6B6.1090301@meteorite.com>

Dear List,

I know someone who is looking for a White Goldmaster metal detector for 
sale.

If you have one and wish to sell it please contact me off list with details.

Thank you,

Paul



From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 12:19:55 2010
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:19:55 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting with NOVA ScienceNOW and Neil
	Degrasse Tyson!
Message-ID: <80659e1a1001220919m26b72409tfef31eb959c201ae@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

I just uploaded a few pictures for all you fans of NOVA.
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/apps/photos/

Laurence Garvie (ASU), Steve Desch (ASU) and Myself spent the day
filming/hunting with Neil Degrasse Tyson and NOVA ScienceNOW. Laurence
was on hand to talk about meteorite classification. I was of course
the meteorite hunter/guide and Steve talked about where and how
meteorites were formed. Don't hold your breath though, the show will
air won' air till the fall. However, it should be fun to watch as Neil
is really good at having fun while the camera's roll. The day was cold
and windy but at least we didn't get rained out!

-- 
Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u


From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 12:28:26 2010
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:28:26 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting with NOVA ScienceNOW and
	Neil Degrasse Tyson!
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a1001220919m26b72409tfef31eb959c201ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80659e1a1001220919m26b72409tfef31eb959c201ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80659e1a1001220928q1495703cy539cb9bafeb1a54@mail.gmail.com>

Oops! I meant to say the show won't air till fall......

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Ruben Garcia <mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> I just uploaded a few pictures for all you fans of NOVA.
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/apps/photos/
>
> Laurence Garvie (ASU), Steve Desch (ASU) and Myself spent the day
> filming/hunting with Neil Degrasse Tyson and NOVA ScienceNOW. Laurence
> was on hand to talk about meteorite classification. I was of course
> the meteorite hunter/guide and Steve talked about where and how
> meteorites were formed. Don't hold your breath though, the show will
> air won' air till the fall. However, it should be fun to watch as Neil
> is really good at having fun while the camera's roll. The day was cold
> and windy but at least we didn't get rained out!
>
> --
> Rock On!
>
> Ruben Garcia
>
> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
>



-- 
Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u


From fujmon at mac.com  Fri Jan 22 12:33:19 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:33:19 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting with NOVA ScienceNOW and
 Neil Degrasse Tyson!
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a1001220919m26b72409tfef31eb959c201ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80659e1a1001220919m26b72409tfef31eb959c201ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F1FDCF7-C347-4C40-9F77-7196431F00A5@mac.com>

Congrats Ruben, on the film location shoot and the fall broadcast on NOVA Science/Now.  Now that channel I do get and NSN is one of my few favorite shows that I make time to sit down and watch with my 'ohana.  

gary

On Jan 22, 2010, at 7:19 AM, Ruben Garcia wrote:

> Hi List,
> 
> I just uploaded a few pictures for all you fans of NOVA.
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/apps/photos/
> 
> Laurence Garvie (ASU), Steve Desch (ASU) and Myself spent the day
> filming/hunting with Neil Degrasse Tyson and NOVA ScienceNOW. Laurence
> was on hand to talk about meteorite classification. I was of course
> the meteorite hunter/guide and Steve talked about where and how
> meteorites were formed. Don't hold your breath though, the show will
> air won' air till the fall. However, it should be fun to watch as Neil
> is really good at having fun while the camera's roll. The day was cold
> and windy but at least we didn't get rained out!
> 
> -- 
> Rock On!
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> 
> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
(808) 640-9161







From fujmon at mac.com  Fri Jan 22 13:14:05 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:14:05 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Aussie eucrites, fall stones, ebay auctions
Message-ID: <D27CEFEB-C241-48D0-83A9-4F449384B2D9@mac.com>

Aloha mai kakou,

Aloha Friday means big savings on newly arrived baby Australian eucrites, fall stones and ebay auctions.

BABY CAMELS AND MILLIES
I have an assortment of very high quality 1-10g Camel Donga and 3-14g Millbillillie meteorites available at below market prices.  Contact me now while selection is wide and before I list on fleabay.  Anyone who has seen or purchased my Aussie eucrites before will know I only sell top shelf material, and this batch is even better than the last. 

FALL STONES
With Tucson coming up, I am releasing some duplicate specimens that will fill any puka in your collections quite nicely.  They can be seen on my (still under construction) Big Kahuna Meteorites website:  http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com

EBAY AUCTIONS 
The Big Kahuna has an auction ending TOMORROW Saturday, January 23, starting at 9:18 am Pacific / 12:18 pm Eastern / 5:18 pm London / 7:18 pm Helsinki / 1:18 am Singapore - offered:

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Remember that you can count on the Big Kahuna to provide you with the highest quality authentic meteorites at the lowest prices on earth.  Hope to see you in Tucson!

Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
(808) 640-9161







From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 13:48:16 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:48:16 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Fall - Petrologic type?
Message-ID: <e51421551001221048sc12c96ex8fe66af2c29261b0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

Anyone care to take a guess as to what type Lorton will be classified as?

Is there any early word?

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG


From impactika at aol.com  Fri Jan 22 13:51:06 2010
From: impactika at aol.com (impactika at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:51:06 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Almahata Sitta
Message-ID: <e2e4.2d7f60a3.388b4d9a@aol.com>

Hello list members,
 
Siegfired Haberer has been trying to post to the List, but unsuccesfully, 
so he has asked me to forward this (below) to you.
Any questions, please let me know
And see you (almost) all in Tucson in just a few days.
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
 
 
Dear List members,
Much to my regret I learned yesterday that three Europeans have been 
arrested in Sudan because of being in possession of Almahata Sitta meteorites. 
Since two weeks they are in a Sudanese jail and the outcome of this matter is 
uncertain.
In this connection several meteorite collectors asked me about the status 
of my Almahata Sitta specimens.
Therefore, I want to let you know that all of the Almahata Sitta meteorites 
I have and offer for sale were exported with an official export license.
Who wants to see this license can have a look at it in Anne Black's show 
room in Tucson (IMPACTIKA, Hotel Tucson City Center, Room 230).

With best collector's regards

Siegfried Haberer




From rocks at projectargus.com  Fri Jan 22 13:46:27 2010
From: rocks at projectargus.com (rocks at projectargus.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:46:27 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Roosevelt County 084?
Message-ID: <2D5FBE0D13E84B6783F460AC615EBE56@NoahLaptop>

Greetings all,

I'm looking to acquire a piece of Roosevelt County 084, if anyone has a 
piece available for sale/trade.  I'd appreciate if anyone could point me in 
the right direction to locate a piece, since it's an obscure one that not 
too many people are interested in.  RC 089 is more common, but I'm not 
interested in that one at the moment.

Thanks,
--Noah 



From warnerem at astro.umd.edu  Fri Jan 22 14:05:25 2010
From: warnerem at astro.umd.edu (Elizabeth Warner)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:05:25 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Fall - Petrologic type?
In-Reply-To: <e51421551001221048sc12c96ex8fe66af2c29261b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e51421551001221048sc12c96ex8fe66af2c29261b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B59F6F5.2020007@astro.umd.edu>

The WUSA9 video where they took it to SI says it's a chondrite...

Elizabeth

Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:
> Hi List,
> 
> Anyone care to take a guess as to what type Lorton will be classified as?
> 
> Is there any early word?
> 
> Best regards and happy huntings,
> 
> MikeG
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
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> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 14:32:50 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:32:50 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Recent Falls page completed
Message-ID: <e51421551001221132t566383b4y320b5015d16570aa@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

As a supplement to Mike Jensen's authoritative "Recent Meteorite Falls
from around the world" page (which we are all familiar with and
grateful for), I have put together a quick-reference list of all
recognized falls since 2000.  (21st Century Falls)

This list contains only approved falls and it contains - the date,
name, type, country, and whether or not the fall is considered a
"hammer".

So it's mainly an "at a glance" type of reference, and is not meant to
replace or compete with Mike Jensen's more complete work which
contains photos, news story links, maps, and probable falls.

I am going to keep this updated as new information or corrections
become available.

Here is a link to the page - http://www.galactic-stone.com/pages/falls

Anyone who wants to repost, reprint, or reuse this list, please feel
free to do so.  I only ask that you link back to me if you are posting
this somewhere on the internet.

Best regards and happy huntings!

MikeG

PS - I have another Haiti benefit auction running with 100%  of the
proceeds to going charity.  This time the charity is Doctors Without
Borders.  It's still sitting at .99 cents, so please bid generously.
The winning bidder will also receive a grab-bag of rare micromounts
and other interesting specimens -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290394119242

PSS - thanks to a generous List Member, the last Haiti auction raised
$81. :)  Thanks!


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Fri Jan 22 14:48:07 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:48:07 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall
Message-ID: <4B5A00F7.3000300@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi List,

Here's some more info on the Lorton meteorite fall. I've compiled a good 
bit of information available on the web about our newest meteorite fall 
in the USA. If you guys would like more infomation bookmark this page as 
I'll be adding news and updates as more data becomes available. 
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/lorton-meteorite-fall/

Enjoy...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
www.meteoritesusa.com


From larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net  Fri Jan 22 14:49:31 2010
From: larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net (Larry & Twink Monrad)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:49:31 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Almlahata Sitta from Bernd
Message-ID: <A9B8E72847A14BE6A813E72ED8F75CD1@DFZN8X81>

Posting for Bernd,

.. and while we are at it, I am almost sure that some of us have overlooked
Anne's former post about Almahata Sitta - the one in which she mentions
that extremely important and highly interesting abstract. A must read!

Anne kindly wrote:

It has been classified as a ureilite, but there is much more to it than 
that,
the study continues, now it is being called "extraordinary" by the experts
and compared to Kaidun!

Just take a look at the Abstract:

http://www.impactika.com/ASitta.pdf

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Best wishes,

Bernd 



From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 22 15:02:13 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:02:13 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Fall - Petrologic type?
In-Reply-To: <e51421551001221048sc12c96ex8fe66af2c29261b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e51421551001221048sc12c96ex8fe66af2c29261b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W44849951043E562A68EAACD2620@phx.gbl>


The Smithsonian thinks it's an LL6 or L6

Greg S.

----------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:48:16 -0500
> From: meteoritemike at gmail.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Fall - Petrologic type?
>
> Hi List,
>
> Anyone care to take a guess as to what type Lorton will be classified as?
>
> Is there any early word?
>
> Best regards and happy huntings,
>
> MikeG
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From cynapse at charter.net  Fri Jan 22 15:12:20 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:12:20 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Almahata Sitta
In-Reply-To: <e2e4.2d7f60a3.388b4d9a@aol.com>
References: <e2e4.2d7f60a3.388b4d9a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ej1kl5l5me5r7n4tbnfbflkl5kc69jq8j7@4ax.com>

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:51:06 EST, you wrote:

>Much to my regret I learned yesterday that three Europeans have been 
>arrested in Sudan because of being in possession of Almahata Sitta meteorites. 
>Since two weeks they are in a Sudanese jail and the outcome of this matter is 
>uncertain.

This article implies that Sudan might be playing politics over this, with the
meteorites (and the collectors) just an excuse:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/20/2796743.htm


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Fri Jan 22 15:11:54 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:11:54 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall
In-Reply-To: <4B5A00F7.3000300@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <4B5A00F7.3000300@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <4B5A068A.3070009@meteoritesusa.com>

P.S. If you find any information about the Lorton meteorite that's not 
listed in the article, let me know and I'll post it. Video, photos, 
audio, links, articles, anything... Send them over. Especially 
verification of the type and official classification.

Regards,
Eric

On 1/22/2010 11:48 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> Here's some more info on the Lorton meteorite fall. I've compiled a 
> good bit of information available on the web about our newest 
> meteorite fall in the USA. If you guys would like more infomation 
> bookmark this page as I'll be adding news and updates as more data 
> becomes available. 
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/lorton-meteorite-fall/
>
> Enjoy...
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at 
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
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>


From dave at fallingrocks.com  Fri Jan 22 15:11:52 2010
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:11:52 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting with NOVA ScienceNOW and
	NeilDegrasse Tyson!
In-Reply-To: <80659e1a1001220919m26b72409tfef31eb959c201ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80659e1a1001220919m26b72409tfef31eb959c201ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D47C8E2B884340BB8CDF325AC7B5AFFC@meteorroom>

Good stuff Ruben.  He's always a blast, in his books or on film...
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ruben
Garcia
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:20 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting with NOVA ScienceNOW and
NeilDegrasse Tyson!

Hi List,

I just uploaded a few pictures for all you fans of NOVA.
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/apps/photos/

Laurence Garvie (ASU), Steve Desch (ASU) and Myself spent the day
filming/hunting with Neil Degrasse Tyson and NOVA ScienceNOW. Laurence was
on hand to talk about meteorite classification. I was of course the
meteorite hunter/guide and Steve talked about where and how meteorites were
formed. Don't hold your breath though, the show will air won' air till the
fall. However, it should be fun to watch as Neil is really good at having
fun while the camera's roll. The day was cold and windy but at least we
didn't get rained out!

--
Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
______________________________________________
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 22 15:30:14 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:30:14 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall
In-Reply-To: <4B5A068A.3070009@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <4B5A00F7.3000300@meteoritesusa.com>,
	<4B5A068A.3070009@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W23CBF9DCD3805FEF264F9AD2620@phx.gbl>


List:

Here's a link to a Washington Post article.

Greg S.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2010/01/22/DI2010012201975.html



Here's Cari's answer to one of the questions

South Hadley, Mass.: Is the meteorite an ordinary chondrite?

Cari Corrigan: Yes, this meteorite is an ordinary chondrite. We are conducting analyses on it to determine its exact classification, but we are guessing it is either an L6 or an LL6. 



----------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:11:54 -0800
> From: eric at meteoritesusa.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall
>
> P.S. If you find any information about the Lorton meteorite that's not
> listed in the article, let me know and I'll post it. Video, photos,
> audio, links, articles, anything... Send them over. Especially
> verification of the type and official classification.
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> On 1/22/2010 11:48 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
>> Hi List,
>>
>> Here's some more info on the Lorton meteorite fall. I've compiled a
>> good bit of information available on the web about our newest
>> meteorite fall in the USA. If you guys would like more infomation
>> bookmark this page as I'll be adding news and updates as more data
>> becomes available.
>> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/lorton-meteorite-fall/
>>
>> Enjoy...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
>> www.meteoritesusa.com
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 15:35:14 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:35:14 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W23CBF9DCD3805FEF264F9AD2620@phx.gbl>
References: <4B5A00F7.3000300@meteoritesusa.com>
	<4B5A068A.3070009@meteoritesusa.com>
	<SNT117-W23CBF9DCD3805FEF264F9AD2620@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e51421551001221235l1dbc2bdel717f4f6f4ba4c2fc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Greg and List,

If it's an L-type OC, then the odds favor L6.

Since 2000, we have had seven L6 falls versus five LL6 falls.

Best regards,

MikeG

On 1/22/10, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> List:
>
> Here's a link to a Washington Post article.
>
> Greg S.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2010/01/22/DI2010012201975.html
>
>
>
> Here's Cari's answer to one of the questions
>
> South Hadley, Mass.: Is the meteorite an ordinary chondrite?
>
> Cari Corrigan: Yes, this meteorite is an ordinary chondrite. We are
> conducting analyses on it to determine its exact classification, but we are
> guessing it is either an L6 or an LL6.
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:11:54 -0800
>> From: eric at meteoritesusa.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall
>>
>> P.S. If you find any information about the Lorton meteorite that's not
>> listed in the article, let me know and I'll post it. Video, photos,
>> audio, links, articles, anything... Send them over. Especially
>> verification of the type and official classification.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric
>>
>> On 1/22/2010 11:48 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>> Here's some more info on the Lorton meteorite fall. I've compiled a
>>> good bit of information available on the web about our newest
>>> meteorite fall in the USA. If you guys would like more infomation
>>> bookmark this page as I'll be adding news and updates as more data
>>> becomes available.
>>> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/lorton-meteorite-fall/
>>>
>>> Enjoy...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eric Wichman
>>> Meteorites USA
>>> www.meteoritesusa.com
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Fri Jan 22 15:35:12 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:35:12 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Almahata Sitta
References: <e2e4.2d7f60a3.388b4d9a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C5435B7B2F804E6EAD51E090E9F96439@Gregor>

Hello Anne and Siegfried,

I had heard about these arrests earlier. Lets hope for their speedy return
to their families and homes. This is a very sad situation. It was almost one
year ago we flew to Cairo to try and get visa's to enter Sudan and hunt for
Almahata Sitta stones. Maybe it was a blessing that some of us Western
countries are not allowed entry visa's due to political problems.

I wish the three safe captivity and for a speedy and welcome return home!

Best regards,
Greg

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <impactika at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <comet1995-2 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:51 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Almahata Sitta


> Hello list members,
>
> Siegfired Haberer has been trying to post to the List, but unsuccesfully,
> so he has asked me to forward this (below) to you.
> Any questions, please let me know
> And see you (almost) all in Tucson in just a few days.
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
>
> Dear List members,
> Much to my regret I learned yesterday that three Europeans have been
> arrested in Sudan because of being in possession of Almahata Sitta 
> meteorites.
> Since two weeks they are in a Sudanese jail and the outcome of this matter 
> is
> uncertain.
> In this connection several meteorite collectors asked me about the status
> of my Almahata Sitta specimens.
> Therefore, I want to let you know that all of the Almahata Sitta 
> meteorites
> I have and offer for sale were exported with an official export license.
> Who wants to see this license can have a look at it in Anne Black's show
> room in Tucson (IMPACTIKA, Hotel Tucson City Center, Room 230).
>
> With best collector's regards
>
> Siegfried Haberer
>
>
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From csaconn at triad.rr.com  Fri Jan 22 15:49:00 2010
From: csaconn at triad.rr.com (csaconn at triad.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:49:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson show article w/ Mike Farmer
Message-ID: <20100122204900.KSDY3.373598.root@hrndva-web22-z01>



  Here's a link to meteorite story that was just posted!

  http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/blogs/astronomy/2010/01/22/falling-stars-a-preview-of-the-2010-tucson-gem-and-mineral-show.aspx


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Jan 22 16:33:16 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:33:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: January 18-22, 2010
Message-ID: <201001222133.o0MLXGBQ029793@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
January 18-22, 2010

o Dark Slope Streaks (18 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100118a

o Dunes (19 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100119a

o Dark Slope Streaks (20 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100120a

o Uzboi Vallis (21 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100121a

o Arsia Mons Flows (22 January 2010)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100122a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 





From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Fri Jan 22 16:48:33 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:48:33 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Almlahata Sitta from Bernd
In-Reply-To: <A9B8E72847A14BE6A813E72ED8F75CD1@DFZN8X81>
Message-ID: <20100122214833.NC2K7.53272.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>



Hi Bernd, Twink, Larry, List,

Yes, glad I got my slice from Seigfried.. really exciting material it turned out to be, never mind the story behind its discovery... and probably much more to come...it even contains amino acids.

Here....

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2009DPS....41.0909C

See you in Tucson,

Graham, Nr Barwell, UK

---- Larry & Twink Monrad <larrytwinkmonrad at comcast.net> wrote: 
> Posting for Bernd,
> 
> .. and while we are at it, I am almost sure that some of us have overlooked
> Anne's former post about Almahata Sitta - the one in which she mentions
> that extremely important and highly interesting abstract. A must read!
> 
> Anne kindly wrote:
> 
> It has been classified as a ureilite, but there is much more to it than 
> that,
> the study continues, now it is being called "extraordinary" by the experts
> and compared to Kaidun!
> 
> Just take a look at the Abstract:
> 
> http://www.impactika.com/ASitta.pdf
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Bernd 
> 
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From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Fri Jan 22 17:25:22 2010
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:25:22 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Almahata Sitta
In-Reply-To: <C5435B7B2F804E6EAD51E090E9F96439@Gregor>
References: <e2e4.2d7f60a3.388b4d9a@aol.com>
	<C5435B7B2F804E6EAD51E090E9F96439@Gregor>
Message-ID: <20100122232522.seeo9ppodd40occ8@w3mail.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi Greg, Anne, Siegfried, all,

Does someone know the names of the 3 arrested ?

I know quite many "hunters" from both Belgium and France.
Hope my close friends were wise enough to refrain from travelling there...

If someone has some info, I leave to your wisdom to decide to send it  
to the list or to me, off list.

Thanks!

Zelimir


Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> a ??crit??:

> Hello Anne and Siegfried,
>
> I had heard about these arrests earlier. Lets hope for their speedy return
> to their families and homes. This is a very sad situation. It was almost one
> year ago we flew to Cairo to try and get visa's to enter Sudan and hunt for
> Almahata Sitta stones. Maybe it was a blessing that some of us Western
> countries are not allowed entry visa's due to political problems.
>
> I wish the three safe captivity and for a speedy and welcome return home!
>
> Best regards,
> Greg
>
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA 3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions:  
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <impactika at aol.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <comet1995-2 at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 1:51 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Almahata Sitta
>
>
>> Hello list members,
>>
>> Siegfired Haberer has been trying to post to the List, but unsuccesfully,
>> so he has asked me to forward this (below) to you.
>> Any questions, please let me know
>> And see you (almost) all in Tucson in just a few days.
>>
>> Anne M. Black
>> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
>> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
>> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>>
>>
>> Dear List members,
>> Much to my regret I learned yesterday that three Europeans have been
>> arrested in Sudan because of being in possession of Almahata Sitta  
>> meteorites.
>> Since two weeks they are in a Sudanese jail and the outcome of this  
>> matter is
>> uncertain.
>> In this connection several meteorite collectors asked me about the status
>> of my Almahata Sitta specimens.
>> Therefore, I want to let you know that all of the Almahata Sitta meteorites
>> I have and offer for sale were exported with an official export license.
>> Who wants to see this license can have a look at it in Anne Black's show
>> room in Tucson (IMPACTIKA, Hotel Tucson City Center, Room 230).
>>
>> With best collector's regards
>>
>> Siegfried Haberer
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at  
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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>
>
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From mlblood at cox.net  Fri Jan 22 17:40:01 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:40:01 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Book:  ASPECTS OF ORIENTED METEORITES
In-Reply-To: <4B59C6B6.1090301@meteorite.com>
Message-ID: <C77F6941.AEE6%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi all,
        I have had multiple inquiries as to the date of the release
Of ASPECTS OF ORIENTED METEORITES. I had sincerely
Hoped I would have it completed and published in time to bring
A hundred or so copies to this year's Tucson Show. However, it is now
Clear that the publication date will not be until after the Show.
        Some may wonder "Why is it taking so long" (and some have
Even publically criticized me for the time I have put in) - well, the
Main reason is that literally hundreds of generous individuals
Have sent me photos of oriented meteorites. Additionally I have
contacted others regarding photos I had seen before and have
Been granted permission for their use. (Of course, each
photographer will be specifically identified regarding each image).
        HOWEVER, none of the photos were shot with "black & white"
In mind and a full color book would cost a small fortune. Unfortunately,
most of the photos which may be excellent in color make for very poor
Contrast in B & W. (IE, a photo of a specimen with a deep blue
Background may show in excellent contrast to the color but will
result in a very poor image when color is removed, leaving very little
contrast between the specimen and its now dark gray background.
        Therefore, I have spent hundreds of hours removing all
background in most of the photos (a minority did translated well
directly to B & W).
        Of course, that is not nearly ALL the time I have been spending,
As writing and rewriting has been required to make the text organized,
Interesting, easy to integrate and maximally informative for both
The beginning and the seasoned collector. I do not want this text to
Simply be a few hundred "really cool photos" but lacking in clarifying
What exactly are the visible aspects of oriented meteorites and to
Understanding the profound degrees to which those aspects may vary.
        In addition to the above, a good many "late arrival " photos are of
such striking imagery they really should not be left out and still continue
to come in. Of course, I will have to "cut off" acceptance as the final
days of publication are in process, but until the last moment, if a truly
Demonstrative image is made available to me I do not feel I can
Nor should I turn it down.
        I will be the first to admit that initially I had naively imagined
"knocking out" this book in a matter of a few months. Well, the joke
Was on me.   
        On more than one occasion in my life I have allowed myself
to be "rushed" to finish something and as a result it was less than
it could have or should have been. Therefore, I would rather miss my
self-imposed "deadline" of the 2010 Tucson Show by a several weeks
than to "settle" for what I know is less than I could have done.
        Sincerely, Michael Blood  




From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 17:41:11 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:41:11 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Book: ASPECTS OF ORIENTED METEORITES
In-Reply-To: <C77F6941.AEE6%mlblood@cox.net>
References: <4B59C6B6.1090301@meteorite.com> <C77F6941.AEE6%mlblood@cox.net>
Message-ID: <e51421551001221441u29868287m7b6897a7893a584c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,

I look forward to the book.  Take your time - you can't rush a good job.  :)

Best regards and have fun at Tucson,

MikeG



On 1/22/10, Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>         I have had multiple inquiries as to the date of the release
> Of ASPECTS OF ORIENTED METEORITES. I had sincerely
> Hoped I would have it completed and published in time to bring
> A hundred or so copies to this year's Tucson Show. However, it is now
> Clear that the publication date will not be until after the Show.
>         Some may wonder "Why is it taking so long" (and some have
> Even publically criticized me for the time I have put in) - well, the
> Main reason is that literally hundreds of generous individuals
> Have sent me photos of oriented meteorites. Additionally I have
> contacted others regarding photos I had seen before and have
> Been granted permission for their use. (Of course, each
> photographer will be specifically identified regarding each image).
>         HOWEVER, none of the photos were shot with "black & white"
> In mind and a full color book would cost a small fortune. Unfortunately,
> most of the photos which may be excellent in color make for very poor
> Contrast in B & W. (IE, a photo of a specimen with a deep blue
> Background may show in excellent contrast to the color but will
> result in a very poor image when color is removed, leaving very little
> contrast between the specimen and its now dark gray background.
>         Therefore, I have spent hundreds of hours removing all
> background in most of the photos (a minority did translated well
> directly to B & W).
>         Of course, that is not nearly ALL the time I have been spending,
> As writing and rewriting has been required to make the text organized,
> Interesting, easy to integrate and maximally informative for both
> The beginning and the seasoned collector. I do not want this text to
> Simply be a few hundred "really cool photos" but lacking in clarifying
> What exactly are the visible aspects of oriented meteorites and to
> Understanding the profound degrees to which those aspects may vary.
>         In addition to the above, a good many "late arrival " photos are of
> such striking imagery they really should not be left out and still continue
> to come in. Of course, I will have to "cut off" acceptance as the final
> days of publication are in process, but until the last moment, if a truly
> Demonstrative image is made available to me I do not feel I can
> Nor should I turn it down.
>         I will be the first to admit that initially I had naively imagined
> "knocking out" this book in a matter of a few months. Well, the joke
> Was on me.
>         On more than one occasion in my life I have allowed myself
> to be "rushed" to finish something and as a result it was less than
> it could have or should have been. Therefore, I would rather miss my
> self-imposed "deadline" of the 2010 Tucson Show by a several weeks
> than to "settle" for what I know is less than I could have done.
>         Sincerely, Michael Blood
>
>
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From m_graul at yahoo.de  Fri Jan 22 20:09:22 2010
From: m_graul at yahoo.de (Mirko Graul)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:09:22 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: NWA 859 Taza iron best oriented BULLET
Message-ID: <788264.74568.qm@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello List,

i have list on ebay a realy fantastic oriented Bullet of Taza iron with
fat flowlines.
I think one of the best collection pieces of the last years.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=230427619205&Category=3239&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2

and here all my other offers.....

http://stores.ebay.com/Mirko-Graul-Meteorite

Best greetings to all,

Mirko


    

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From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 22:48:14 2010
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:48:14 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Update
Message-ID: <f0a794131001221948k1cb82fd2q4913db323b9f1a7c@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys,

I just spent the last couple days in Lorton VA.

No new meteorites have been recovered to my knowledge as of EOD today.

There are still several hunting groups working the area and some of
them are committed to staying for a while.

Its a relatively easy area to hunt, densely populated with town homes
and apartments with lots of parking lots, parks, common grounds and
businesses.

Numerous eye witness reports are suggesting multiple rocks on the
ground, but until we get some video or find a second stone it will be
difficult to define the boundaries of the strewnfield.

I posted an update with some pics and a couple of maps.

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/comets/lorton-virginia-meteorite-update/

Thanks,

Mike


From garychase at live.com  Sat Jan 23 00:29:10 2010
From: garychase at live.com (Gary Chase)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:29:10 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Update
In-Reply-To: <f0a794131001221948k1cb82fd2q4913db323b9f1a7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f0a794131001221948k1cb82fd2q4913db323b9f1a7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL106-W55BFBABB8E30E2EE85F955D2610@phx.gbl>


Nice webpage, Mr Hankey.  Great story and photos.
 
I was wondering about one thing you said -- Personally I think I?m going to sit the rest of this one out. I can only handle one fireball at a time.
 
Why would you leave an area where a meteorite was found to go back to Penn. to work on a fireball where nothing has been found all these long months?  I would think you would want to work where there is a bigger chance of success.
 
Good job on keeping us all informed.
 
Gary
 
 
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:48:14 -0500
> From: mike.hankey at gmail.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Update
> 
> Hey Guys,
> 
> I just spent the last couple days in Lorton VA.
> 
> No new meteorites have been recovered to my knowledge as of EOD today.
> 
> There are still several hunting groups working the area and some of
> them are committed to staying for a while.
> 
> Its a relatively easy area to hunt, densely populated with town homes
> and apartments with lots of parking lots, parks, common grounds and
> businesses.
> 
> Numerous eye witness reports are suggesting multiple rocks on the
> ground, but until we get some video or find a second stone it will be
> difficult to define the boundaries of the strewnfield.
> 
> I posted an update with some pics and a couple of maps.
> 
> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/comets/lorton-virginia-meteorite-update/
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 23 01:13:40 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:13:40 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson - Kitt Peak anyone?
References: <865496.72457.qm@web56108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<73E9E2A16A0848A0B29B0D6BB3CB975B@D190TH71>
Message-ID: <F943F87D493444518207C3AD0AC92D08@D190TH71>

So... there's a couple of us going up to Kitt Peak on Monday  (Feb. 1), to 
check out the observatory and take part in their Nightly Observing Program.
http://www.noao.edu/outreach/nop/info.html
Last time I checked, there were still spots available, so if anyone else is 
interested, contact me and/or the visitor center right away.
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linton Rohr" <lintonius at earthlink.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:12 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Kitt Peak anyone?


> Greetings listoids.
> I'm wanting to book myself for a night at Kitt Peak, through their Nightly 
> Observing Program. I was observing the cosmos before I was collecting 
> pieces of it. <g>
> Would anyone else be interested in joining me?
> I'm looking at  Feb. 1, 2, or 3.
> You can read about it here...
> http://www.noao.edu/outreach/nop/
> Linton
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From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 01:20:17 2010
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:20:17 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Update
In-Reply-To: <COL106-W55BFBABB8E30E2EE85F955D2610@phx.gbl>
References: <f0a794131001221948k1cb82fd2q4913db323b9f1a7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL106-W55BFBABB8E30E2EE85F955D2610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f0a794131001222220i7711f165mbff12a831c2e7b10@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,

Thanks for the compliments. It was exciting to spend a few days in a
new hot area especially one with such specific and accurate intel, but
regardless of the hammer stone, meteorite hunting is really hard work
and takes a lot of time. The current lack of video and other unknowns
combined with the reality of a possibly 8 mile long strewnfield
pointed in an unknown direction makes the odds of 'me' finding a
meteorite in VA about the same as finding one in PA. (at least in my
mind).

More importantly the reward for Lorton can not compare with that of
the PA meteor. Lorton has already been discovered, named and will soon
be classified. PA is still a mystery. It could be an ordinary, but you
never know it could be a pallasite or a lunar, martian or other. While
finding a meteorite regardless of the fall is something that I want to
do very badly (I'm still a meteorite hunting virgin), discovering a
meteorite is something entirely different. Its hard to find a
meteorite and a spectacular accomplishment but to discover a fall that
has never been found before... that's a big deal. In the history of PA
only 8 meteorites have ever been found. Finding this one would make
you the ninth person in 200+ years. You would be in the company of
1200 odd people in the history of man kind.

Most importantly I have a personal cosmic connection to the PA meteor
as a result of my experience with the fall. Its not about finding a
meteorite. Its a lot more complicated than that. I would trade a 1400
pounds of Brenham to find 10 grams of Paradise any day of the week.

Thanks,

Mike


And if I'm going to work that hard on meteorite hunting (something
that's not my full time profession) I don't want to waste the time and
effort on a fall that means nothing to me. I have a personal
connection to the PA meteor that is

To answer your question about PA vs VA.... its hard to explain. I have
a personal connection to the PA Meteor

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Gary Chase <garychase at live.com> wrote:
>
> Nice webpage, Mr Hankey. ?Great story and photos.
>
> I was wondering about one thing you said -- Personally I think I?m going to sit the rest of this one out. I can only handle one fireball at a time.
>
> Why would you leave an area where a meteorite was found to go back to Penn. to work on a fireball where nothing has been found all these long months? ?I would think you would want to work where there is a bigger chance of success.
>
> Good job on keeping us all informed.
>
> Gary
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:48:14 -0500
>> From: mike.hankey at gmail.com
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Update
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> I just spent the last couple days in Lorton VA.
>>
>> No new meteorites have been recovered to my knowledge as of EOD today.
>>
>> There are still several hunting groups working the area and some of
>> them are committed to staying for a while.
>>
>> Its a relatively easy area to hunt, densely populated with town homes
>> and apartments with lots of parking lots, parks, common grounds and
>> businesses.
>>
>> Numerous eye witness reports are suggesting multiple rocks on the
>> ground, but until we get some video or find a second stone it will be
>> difficult to define the boundaries of the strewnfield.
>>
>> I posted an update with some pics and a couple of maps.
>>
>> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/comets/lorton-virginia-meteorite-update/
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Sat Jan 23 01:51:16 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:51:16 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Update
In-Reply-To: <f0a794131001222220i7711f165mbff12a831c2e7b10@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f0a794131001221948k1cb82fd2q4913db323b9f1a7c@mail.gmail.com>	<COL106-W55BFBABB8E30E2EE85F955D2610@phx.gbl>
	<f0a794131001222220i7711f165mbff12a831c2e7b10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5A9C64.4030607@meteoritesusa.com>

Nice Mike, Too bad though on not having an extra pair of eyes in the 
field, but I understand your motives and can respect that...

Good work on the article, maps and photos! Keep it up.

I'm pretty sure no one else has spent more time on the PA fireball than 
you have, and if anyone deserves to find the first PA meteorite from 
that fireball it's you.

Good luck!

Regards,
Eric


On 1/22/2010 10:20 PM, Mike Hankey wrote:
> Gary,
>
> Thanks for the compliments. It was exciting to spend a few days in a
> new hot area especially one with such specific and accurate intel, but
> regardless of the hammer stone, meteorite hunting is really hard work
> and takes a lot of time. The current lack of video and other unknowns
> combined with the reality of a possibly 8 mile long strewnfield
> pointed in an unknown direction makes the odds of 'me' finding a
> meteorite in VA about the same as finding one in PA. (at least in my
> mind).
>
> More importantly the reward for Lorton can not compare with that of
> the PA meteor. Lorton has already been discovered, named and will soon
> be classified. PA is still a mystery. It could be an ordinary, but you
> never know it could be a pallasite or a lunar, martian or other. While
> finding a meteorite regardless of the fall is something that I want to
> do very badly (I'm still a meteorite hunting virgin), discovering a
> meteorite is something entirely different. Its hard to find a
> meteorite and a spectacular accomplishment but to discover a fall that
> has never been found before... that's a big deal. In the history of PA
> only 8 meteorites have ever been found. Finding this one would make
> you the ninth person in 200+ years. You would be in the company of
> 1200 odd people in the history of man kind.
>
> Most importantly I have a personal cosmic connection to the PA meteor
> as a result of my experience with the fall. Its not about finding a
> meteorite. Its a lot more complicated than that. I would trade a 1400
> pounds of Brenham to find 10 grams of Paradise any day of the week.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>
> And if I'm going to work that hard on meteorite hunting (something
> that's not my full time profession) I don't want to waste the time and
> effort on a fall that means nothing to me. I have a personal
> connection to the PA meteor that is
>
> To answer your question about PA vs VA.... its hard to explain. I have
> a personal connection to the PA Meteor
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Gary Chase<garychase at live.com>  wrote:
>    
>> Nice webpage, Mr Hankey.  Great story and photos.
>>
>> I was wondering about one thing you said -- Personally I think I?m going to sit the rest of this one out. I can only handle one fireball at a time.
>>
>> Why would you leave an area where a meteorite was found to go back to Penn. to work on a fireball where nothing has been found all these long months?  I would think you would want to work where there is a bigger chance of success.
>>
>> Good job on keeping us all informed.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>      
>>> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:48:14 -0500
>>> From: mike.hankey at gmail.com
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Update
>>>
>>> Hey Guys,
>>>
>>> I just spent the last couple days in Lorton VA.
>>>
>>> No new meteorites have been recovered to my knowledge as of EOD today.
>>>
>>> There are still several hunting groups working the area and some of
>>> them are committed to staying for a while.
>>>
>>> Its a relatively easy area to hunt, densely populated with town homes
>>> and apartments with lots of parking lots, parks, common grounds and
>>> businesses.
>>>
>>> Numerous eye witness reports are suggesting multiple rocks on the
>>> ground, but until we get some video or find a second stone it will be
>>> difficult to define the boundaries of the strewnfield.
>>>
>>> I posted an update with some pics and a couple of maps.
>>>
>>> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/comets/lorton-virginia-meteorite-update/
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>>        
>> _________________________________________________________________
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From steve.dunklee at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 04:21:43 2010
From: steve.dunklee at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:21:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] test delete
Message-ID: <510763.90941.qm@web113908.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>




      



From steve.dunklee at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 04:26:16 2010
From: steve.dunklee at yahoo.com (Steve Dunklee)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:26:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] This might be interesting
Message-ID: <707363.57964.qm@web113917.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jonesboro-ar/T36BRORSF2SD2FBV2

there were other reports of a fall around 10:30 central time on november 7th, 2009.
cheers
Steve


      


From bernd.pauli at paulinet.de  Sat Jan 23 07:04:12 2010
From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de (bernd.pauli at paulinet.de)
Date: 23 Jan 2010 12:04:12 UT
Subject: [meteorite-list] A heads-up: Sky & Telescope, February 2010
Message-ID: <DIIE.000000BD00004457@paulinet.de>

Hello Folks,

Sky & Telescope: Special Moon Issue

A breathtaking close-up view of Tycho on p. 21 - you feel like being there right next to it!
An equally breathtaking close-up view of lunar far-side crater Antoniadi on p. 24.

Unfortunately, less spectacular, a photo of a Millbillillie specimen on p.54 regarding Vesta:

"Vesta is a prime binocular target this winter and spring."

The descriptive text says:

"Both (= Vesta and Millbillillie) are made of the volcanic mineral pyroxene, a substance
that makes Vesta ... unique"

Hmm, why should pyroxene make Vesta "unique" among the asteroids?

Eucrites are plagioclase- and pigeonite* bearing basalts or gabbros. Pyroxene*,
olivine and plagioclase are common constituents of several meteorite classes.

*pigeonite = Ca-poor clinopyroxene


Best wishes from
Germany,

Bernd



From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 08:28:55 2010
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:28:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) NWA 1109 30.8 GRAMS
Message-ID: <395233.50080.qm@web57807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi again list.Great times here and in the future with the show coming nest week.I can hardly wait.Wow the first new fall of the year in lorten,va.I have decided to lower the price on the NWA 1109 eucrite piece to $375.Buyer takes it how with free shipping as well.Pics upon request.It comes with a specimen card from cottingham meteorites.Shipping will be priority mail.Thanks and have a great day.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! chicagometeorites.net/ 


From michael at rocksfromspace.org  Sat Jan 23 08:35:32 2010
From: michael at rocksfromspace.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:35:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 23,
	2010
Message-ID: <1760023513.187201264253732551.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_23_2010.html



From meteoriteshow at free.fr  Sat Jan 23 10:16:33 2010
From: meteoriteshow at free.fr (meteoriteshow at free.fr)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:16:33 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending on Saturday
Message-ID: <1264259793.4b5b12d1f3eef@imp.free.fr>

Dear Fellow Listees,

Our ebay auctions ending TODAY can be seen at:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZmeteoriteshow

They include:

1- Ain Ouinet (unclass.) CV3 - 5.4g slice
Slice #4, weighing 5.4g, dimensions ~44x27x2mm.
Diplays a GREAT DARK INCLUSION with sharply defined chondrules and beautiful
CAIs.
THE DARK INCLUSION IS VISIBLE ON BOTH SIDE.
SUPERB SLICE.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330393802102

2- Al Haggounia 001 PRIM. AUB - 8.6g partslice
Partslice #012 weighing 8.6g, dimensions 63x26x2.7mm.
Cut in one of the freshest framents of Al Haggounia 001
Displays a fair grey matrix showing how EXTREMELY FRESH the fragment is.
Shipped in a display box
NO BID YET!!! STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330393804073

3- NWA 052 (Kem-Kem) L5 - 10.5g partslice
Partslice weighing 10.5g, Dimensions: 72x8x6mm
With fusion crust.
NO BID YET!!! STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330393804589

4- SAH 02500 L3 - 14.9g endpiece
Endpiece weighing 14.9g, dimensions: 30x22x11mm.
Typical structure of SAH 02500 diplaying nice inclusions & chondrules.
~ 30% fusion crusted.
NO BID YET!!! STILL AT $1.00 STARTING PRICE!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330393804837

5- SAHARAN OC #3187 - 381.3g individual
Semi-Individual weighing 381.3g
Covered by a nice dark Fusion Crust with regmaglypts.
The inside structure shows a FESH fair grey matrix, a fair cgrey inclusion and
nice metal flakes
This is probably an L chondrite
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330393805999

6- ZAG H3-6 - 3.9g Fragment - WITNESSED FALL!
Fusion Crusted Fragment weighing 3.9g, Dimensions: 26x15x8mm
Displays FUSION CRUST and a the TYPICAL 2 LITHOLOGIES of Zag, in a Fresh fair
grey matrix.
Partially FUSION CRUSTED
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330393806125

Thank you very much for watching and best wishes to ALL BIDDERS!!!
Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)


From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 23 15:37:54 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:37:54 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test -- Delete
Message-ID: <0F0A71B137C74868A1611BA9E589835B@ATARIENGINE2>

My first "test delete"


From Midwest at Meteorman.org  Sat Jan 23 15:50:31 2010
From: Midwest at Meteorman.org (Timothy  Heitz)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:50:31 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson birthday bash?
References: <0F0A71B137C74868A1611BA9E589835B@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <A961AF5DD034496991F76C2880BDF20F@den>

Hi List,

I'm checking to see if the Birthday bash is in the same place this year.

An address is always nice to have for the GPS


Thanks,
Tim Heitz


From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Jan 23 16:10:58 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:10:58 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test -- Delete
In-Reply-To: <0F0A71B137C74868A1611BA9E589835B@ATARIENGINE2>
References: <0F0A71B137C74868A1611BA9E589835B@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <7cpml5145kkjbtd1f4e2gm21o46rr3er81@4ax.com>

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:37:54 -0600, you wrote:

>My first "test delete"

Your outbound is going out-- it just looks like your inbound isn't getting in
(which is why replying to this off-list wouldn't be too useful-- but I'm sure
you will realize to check the archives for this reply.)


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Sat Jan 23 16:36:16 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:36:16 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Fall - Update: Fragmentation
In-Reply-To: <4B5A00F7.3000300@meteoritesusa.com>
References: <4B5A00F7.3000300@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <4B5B6BD0.6080704@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi List,

I've added some more information on the fragmentation of the Lorton 
bolide event to the post. Also, I've read about 3-4 witness account 
saying they saw a second smaller fireball after the one that produced 
the 308g Lorton meteorite that crashed through the roof of the doctors 
office. You can read the update here: 
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/lorton-meteorite-fall/

Enjoy...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA



On 1/22/2010 11:48 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> Here's some more info on the Lorton meteorite fall. I've compiled a 
> good bit of information available on the web about our newest 
> meteorite fall in the USA. If you guys would like more infomation 
> bookmark this page as I'll be adding news and updates as more data 
> becomes available. 
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/lorton-meteorite-fall/
>
> Enjoy...
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> www.meteoritesusa.com
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 23 16:39:30 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:39:30 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson birthday bash?
References: <0F0A71B137C74868A1611BA9E589835B@ATARIENGINE2>
	<A961AF5DD034496991F76C2880BDF20F@den>
Message-ID: <D2DB3FFE827741A7815F5D9818D86F97@D190TH71>

Tim & list
I believe Geoff said it would be at the Sky Bar, where they're also doing 
the Wednesday night screenings of Met Men.
http://www.skybartucson.com/
536 North 4th Avenue
TUCSON, AZ 85705
(520) 622-4300
But, don't take my word for it.
Perhaps one of the birthday twins will chime in. <g>
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Timothy Heitz" <Midwest at Meteorman.org>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:50 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson birthday bash?


> Hi List,
>
> I'm checking to see if the Birthday bash is in the same place this year.
>
> An address is always nice to have for the GPS
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tim Heitz
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From oxytropidoceras at cox.net  Sat Jan 23 18:13:43 2010
From: oxytropidoceras at cox.net (Paul H.)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:13:43 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] NPR Segment on Lorton Meteorite Fall
Message-ID: <20100123181343.9V9W8.396387.imail@eastrmwml30>

So This Meteor Crashes Into A Doctor's Office...
Weekend Edition Saturday, January 23, 2010

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122893897

Yours,

Paul H.


From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 23 21:02:03 2010
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:02:03 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Message-ID: <COL108-W44D45AD16BAD0111ACCCE19B600@phx.gbl>


Hi,

You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or metal piece that is not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was storming outside, so I had some free time and was thinking up some new meteorite words to play around with. Kind of a stupid exercise but was fun.

Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about meteors/meteorites. Postings in forums don't count.

Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite mistakes. Also a meteorite ombudsman.

Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first meteorite, gets hooked and collects more.

Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning about meteors/meteorites.


Carl



 		 	   		  
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From photophlow at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 21:05:30 2010
From: photophlow at yahoo.com (Shawn Alan)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:05:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Property for sale on The Moon, anyone.
Message-ID: <921296.54602.qm@web113605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello Listers,

This might be a good topic for discussion or at least good entertainment, and I am sure it has been talked about many time on the List. The topic is The Moon and property being sold to individuals and corporations. 

There is a company that is doing this right now; the company is called Lunar Embassy. I went to their website ( http://www.lunarembassy.com ) and if you have  $13,331,850.00 laying around the house can purchase a Continent sized parcel. This parcel consists of 5,332,740 acres of lunar surface for development by the purchaser. Let me get my credit card out because I need the flight miles. 

If you have 45 minutes to sit back and relax click on this link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3931004440707682179# and watch a video about the Moon and why it is going to be a great topic of interest in coming years. Lastly, I am wondering how Lunar Embassy acquired the moon and has the ability to sell property to individuals and corporations?

Shawn Alan 



From damoclid at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 21:07:38 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:07:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W44D45AD16BAD0111ACCCE19B600@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <750307.82886.qm@web113619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

OK I'll bite, here are my two:

Meteorsight - What a meteorite hunter possesses if (s)he can spot a meteorite from 50 feet away.

Meteormight - What it takes to lift a newly found meteorite out if its hole.



--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Sat, 1/23/10, Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:02 PM
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or
> metal piece that is not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was
> storming outside, so I had some free time and was thinking
> up some new meteorite words to play around with. Kind of a
> stupid exercise but was fun.
> 
> Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about
> meteors/meteorites. Postings in forums don't count.
> 
> Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite
> mistakes. Also a meteorite ombudsman.
> 
> Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first
> meteorite, gets hooked and collects more.
> 
> Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning
> about meteors/meteorites.
> 
> 
> Carl
> 
> 
> 
>  ???
> ????????
> ?????? ???
> ? 
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From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Jan 23 21:14:15 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:14:15 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Property for sale on The Moon, anyone.
In-Reply-To: <921296.54602.qm@web113605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <921296.54602.qm@web113605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <n5bnl5t04thsaj07npn48or5tn80fdc5g8@4ax.com>

Hell, I'll sell you whole exoplanets for 50 bucks each, Paypal preferred,
transport extra.


From impactika at aol.com  Sat Jan 23 21:25:35 2010
From: impactika at aol.com (impactika at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:25:35 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Message-ID: <32122.54f13cb4.388d099f@aol.com>

OK.............
 
MeteorSeer -  Someone who can see a meteorite while it is still a meteor 
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
 
 
In a message dated 1/23/2010 7:07:53 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
damoclid at yahoo.com writes:
OK I'll bite, here are my two:

Meteorsight - What a meteorite hunter possesses if (s)he can spot a 
meteorite from 50 feet away.

Meteormight - What it takes to lift a newly found meteorite out if its hole.

--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Sat, 1/23/10, Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:02 PM
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or
> metal piece that is not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was
> storming outside, so I had some free time and was thinking
> up some new meteorite words to play around with. Kind of a
> stupid exercise but was fun.
> 
> Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about
> meteors/meteorites. Postings in forums don't count.
> 
> Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite
> mistakes. Also a meteorite ombudsman.
> 
> Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first
> meteorite, gets hooked and collects more.
> 
> Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning
> about meteors/meteorites.
> 
> 
> Carl


From dave at fallingrocks.com  Sat Jan 23 22:06:45 2010
From: dave at fallingrocks.com (Dave Gheesling)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:06:45 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W44D45AD16BAD0111ACCCE19B600@phx.gbl>
References: <COL108-W44D45AD16BAD0111ACCCE19B600@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5BEB14E9E7024C8C8924E5EDC40D9D98@meteorroom>

Meteorfight: the international email exchange commonly known as the
Meteorite List, on occasion. 

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Carl 's
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:02 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


Hi,

You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or metal piece that is
not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was storming outside, so I had some free
time and was thinking up some new meteorite words to play around with. Kind
of a stupid exercise but was fun.

Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about meteors/meteorites.
Postings in forums don't count.

Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite mistakes. Also a
meteorite ombudsman.

Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first meteorite, gets
hooked and collects more.

Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning about
meteors/meteorites.


Carl



 		 	   		  
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 22:21:34 2010
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:21:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <750307.82886.qm@web113619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <COL108-W44D45AD16BAD0111ACCCE19B600@phx.gbl>
	<750307.82886.qm@web113619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <80659e1a1001231921w6497b75eg1707afea715ab4ab@mail.gmail.com>

Meteorfright -  my youtube account where all the best meteorite
related videos can be seen!

look here:
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u

Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u


From gracie at sheverb.com  Sat Jan 23 21:41:46 2010
From: gracie at sheverb.com (gracie)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:41:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <32122.54f13cb4.388d099f@aol.com>
References: <32122.54f13cb4.388d099f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <56976.70.171.14.161.1264300906.squirrel@www.sheverb.com>

Meteorfight:

Natural occurring phenomenon on the metlist.

(lol?)


> OK.............
>
> MeteorSeer -  Someone who can see a meteorite while it is still a meteor
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
>
> In a message dated 1/23/2010 7:07:53 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> damoclid at yahoo.com writes:
> OK I'll bite, here are my two:
>
> Meteorsight - What a meteorite hunter possesses if (s)he can spot a
> meteorite from 50 feet away.
>
> Meteormight - What it takes to lift a newly found meteorite out if its
> hole.
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA #1081
>
>
> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:02 PM
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or
>> metal piece that is not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was
>> storming outside, so I had some free time and was thinking
>> up some new meteorite words to play around with. Kind of a
>> stupid exercise but was fun.
>>
>> Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about
>> meteors/meteorites. Postings in forums don't count.
>>
>> Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite
>> mistakes. Also a meteorite ombudsman.
>>
>> Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first
>> meteorite, gets hooked and collects more.
>>
>> Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning
>> about meteors/meteorites.
>>
>>
>> Carl
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From csaconn at triad.rr.com  Sat Jan 23 22:27:54 2010
From: csaconn at triad.rr.com (csaconn at triad.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 3:27:54 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men invite, and thanks
In-Reply-To: <f9a2.65d9937f.3888bbb6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100124032754.01WZF.381695.root@hrndva-web06-z01>

 Geoff and Steve,

   After watching this show half a dozen times I still find it entertaining! From Geoff harpooning his magnet stick to the look Steve gives Geoff as he takes his English Breakfast tea, this show is a blast ( from the past? )! I'm going to very much enjoy my time in Tucson this year after sitting out last year. Geoff and Steve, thanks for the entertainment and education and I'll see you at the Feb 3th screening! - Carl

---- meteorhntr at aol.com wrote: 
> 
> 
> Hey List,
> 
> It is with great pleasure that  I invite all of you to sit down tonight and 
> to take a journey to Canada with  Geoff Notkin and myself on Science 
> Channel (9pm Eastern) on our first episode of  our first season of "Meteorite Men" 
> the Series. 
> 
> I haven't seen the  episode myself yet, but some of our friends in the 
> production office have, and  it promises to be a fun adventure and (don't tell 
> anyone I said this, but) we do  find some meteorites in this episode.  
> 
> Geoff and I are keenly aware  that this TV series might be the best 
> opportunity for the meteorite collecting  community to put our best foot forward 
> and show the world a glimpse into what  makes our passion of collecting so 
> exciting.  Of course we have to mix the  geeky science with a little humor and 
> drama, or people won't stick around for  the end of the show, and won't come 
> back next week.
> 
> I want to give a HUGE  amount of credit to our LMNO Productions team.  We 
> have had over 95 people  working on this show on the production side, not to 
> mention the hundreds of  people working over on the Science Channel and 
> Discovery Network to make this  happen.  Millions of dollars have been invested 
> to bring this episode to  air, and it is very humbling realizing that while 
> Geoff and I have our faces on  screen, NONE of this would be possible 
> without the team behind the scenes.  
> 
> And, I would be remiss to not take the time to thank ALL of you that  have 
> supported me over the last 18 years when I have tried to eek out a living  
> in this crazy business.  If it weren't for the scientists who study these  
> rocks, if it weren't for the collecting customers that buy a piece here and a  
> slice there from me,  tonight would never have become a reality.   
> 
> I have to give a huge shout out to Blaine Reed who was my one and only  
> customer for the first 6 years of my meteorite career.  In a business of  "buy 
> low and sell high," somehow, Blaine had a philosophy of "How much can I  
> afford to pay Steve for what he brings me?" as opposed to "How cheap can I get  
> these rocks from Steve?"  Blaine, if it weren't for you buddy, I would have 
>  been out of this business before I even got into it.  I owe you a big  
> Margarita at the Birthday Bash, and every Birthday Bash from here on out.   In 
> fact, anyone who likes this show tonight, buy Blaine a drink before you 
> offer  me one, ok?
> 
> Of course kudos have to go out to THE Meteorite Man Bob Haag,  who blazed a 
> trail through a jungle that we all are enjoying the fruits of  now.
> 
> Harvey Nininger, Oscar Monnig, Glen Huss, H.O. Stockwell, just to  name a 
> few, are pillars that hold the roof over all of our heads now. 
> 
> I  have to thank my amazing wife, Qynne, and the two greatest daughters a 
> guy could  ever hope to have, Lauren and Kelsey who have shared me and my 
> time with this  calling.
> 
> A big thanks goes out to Phil Mani who on a gut feeling  supported the 
> Brenham adventure a few years back, which was one domino in the  series to fall 
> that led to all of this. 
> 
> There is a huge amount of credit  and thanks that needs to be extended to 
> the 8n8 crew that inadvertently  journeyed with me to the Alpha site several 
> years back which ended up being in  our pilot episode.  All of you guys are 
> getting your financial return on  the project, but also know from me that 
> you guys also deserve a monster sized  "Thank You."  You are appreciated more 
> than you will ever know.
> 
> And  personally, I have to give the greatest amount of credit to my hunting 
> partner  Geoff Notkin. If it weren't for Geoff's talents and true 
> gentlemanly qualities,  none of this, and I mean NONE of this would have happened.  
> For some  reason, one guy hunting rocks on TV is not enough to make anyone 
> take a second  look.  And even two guys hunting for space rocks is not enough  
> either.  Geoff's ability to articulate WHY these amazing visitors from  
> space are so special adds an element that I don't think anyone else in the  
> meteorite world could have been able to do.  Of course there are others  that 
> can talk about why meteorites are great, but Geoff will get his fingernails  
> dirty, jump in a hole, get excited with the rest of us, and still be able to 
>  articulate to the audience why he is, so excited, and why the viewers at 
> home  should be too.
> 
> You might notice in the written descriptions about the  show where 
> sometimes it might say "Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin..." and other  times it will 
> say "Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold..." I suppose the powers that  be want to 
> give us equal credit in flip flopping our names from time to  time.  And 
> while ego might want one's name to show up first, I really do  like it when 
> Geoff's name is first, because I know I could be replaced in this  show far 
> easier than he ever could.  In fact, I am certain without Geoff,  none of this 
> would be remotely possible.  Geoff, thank you.  I am so  proud to count you 
> as a dear friend, first, and as a hunting partner  second.  Cheers ol' chap! 
> 
> The more that happens, the more I see  that we are one big "organism" that 
> depends on itself to sustain itself.  I  found myself so excited for Shauna 
> Russell today as I watched the video of her  digging out the Springwater 
> meteorite.  Yes, she is a competitor of mine in  our field, but she is also a 
> colleague in the field of rescuing these rusting  messengers before it is too 
> late.  Congrats Shauna.  We all should be  excited for her.  Competition 
> makes us all sharper.  So a big "thank  you" goes out to the other dealers and 
> hunters in our community, that compete  with passion with and even against 
> us, but still compete fairly.
> 
> We live  on a big planet.  There are plenty of meteorites for all of us to  
> find.  And the "Meteorite Men" series is undoubtedly going to increase both 
>  collectors and hunters alike.  It is my desire that in the end, many more  
> meteorites will be found, more collectors will be generated to support the  
> expeditions of us all, more kids will be encouraged to follow a vocation of 
>  being scientists and more meteoriticists will be entering the field, and 
> more  funding will be provided for research, curating and displaying 
> meteorites world  wide. 
> 
> Our goal isn't to get more of the limited sized pie, but to help  make the 
> pie much bigger for us all.
> 
> Add everyone up that gets credit for  the new series, and we are easily 
> into the thousands.  
> 
> It is  Geoff's and my desire that we do you all proud.  Of course, as the 
> saying  goes, "If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one."  
> So, the  bottom line is: the network wants to please enough people so that 
> the  advertising revenues will justify the money invested in the project.    
> Some of America will undoubtedly not be impressed.  Some in the meteorite  
> world too will undoubtedly not be impressed.  For that we are  sorry.   But, 
> we are doing our best, and we want to thank everyone  that has helped make 
> tonight a reality.
> 
> If I could do it, I would give  ALL of you a Harvey Award!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Steve  Arnold
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 23 22:35:48 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:35:48 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <COL108-W44D45AD16BAD0111ACCCE19B600@phx.gbl>
	<5BEB14E9E7024C8C8924E5EDC40D9D98@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <72D65E69A8434755BC55680334D8FBB8@D190TH71>

I'd prefer to think of the counter-part to a food fight, Dave. <g>
My word though, is meteorNIGHT, the peak night of a good meteor shower.
A meteorMIGHT could also be somewhere between a meteorite and a meteorwrong.
Linton


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Gheesling" <dave at fallingrocks.com>
To: "'Carl 's'" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>; 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> Meteorfight: the international email exchange commonly known as the
> Meteorite List, on occasion.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Carl 's
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:02 PM
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>
>
> Hi,
>
> You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or metal piece that is
> not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was storming outside, so I had some free
> time and was thinking up some new meteorite words to play around with. 
> Kind
> of a stupid exercise but was fun.
>
> Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about 
> meteors/meteorites.
> Postings in forums don't count.
>
> Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite mistakes. Also a
> meteorite ombudsman.
>
> Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first meteorite, gets
> hooked and collects more.
>
> Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning about
> meteors/meteorites.
>
>
> Carl
>
>
>
>
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 23 22:53:29 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:53:29 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W44D45AD16BAD0111ACCCE19B600@phx.gbl>
References: <COL108-W44D45AD16BAD0111ACCCE19B600@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W1176B2D80F3217C15A902ED2600@phx.gbl>


All:

Meteorleft: All the rocks I should have left where I found them

Meteorich:? Someone with an excessive number of meteorites

Meteorsite: One who spots a meteor, a strewnfield or a web page

Meteornight: Meteor shower


Greg S.

> From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:02:03 -0800
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or metal piece that is not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was storming outside, so I had some free time and was thinking up some new meteorite words to play around with. Kind of a stupid exercise but was fun.
> 
> Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about meteors/meteorites. Postings in forums don't count.
> 
> Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite mistakes. Also a meteorite ombudsman.
> 
> Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first meteorite, gets hooked and collects more.
> 
> Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning about meteors/meteorites.
> 
> 
> Carl
> 
> 
> 
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From lintonius at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 23 23:03:10 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:03:10 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Mad Anne Ridge" meteorite???
References: <850377.5198.qm@web112311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <11736A79C74747E09942AFC3B0A670B3@D190TH71>

I find it remarkable that this guy inquired about a non-documented Virginia 
fall just two days before the very real, very documented Lorton, Virginia 
fall. What are the odds?
Linton

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Pensenstadler" <dfpens01 at yahoo.com>
To: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>; "Linton Rohr" 
<lintonius at earthlink.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Mad Anne Ridge" meteorite???


For what it's worth:

There are two finds in Allegheny County, near Pittsburgh, PA.  They are:

The Pittsburgh, Coarsest Octahedrite, 6.99% Ni, found in 1850;
The Bradford Woods, Olivine achondrite, 3% metallic iron, found in 1886.

By the way, anyone know where I can purchase any of these?  I know that Yale 
college had the only known piece of The Pittsburgh.  Most of it was wrought 
into an iron bar.

Also, if anyone knows where I can get a piece of the other 6 known 
Pennsylvania meteorites, I would greatly appreciate this info.  They are:

Mount Joy
Bald Eagle
The Serewsbury
New Baltimore
Chicora
Black Moshannon Park

Dave


--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Mad Anne Ridge" meteorite???
> To: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 1:54 AM
> Thanks Jason.
> The material I saw listed Allegeny County in Virginia/West
> Virginia.
> Sounds like the same character though. Interesting tales.
> http://www.ferrum.edu/applit/bibs/tales/MadAnn.htm
> Regardless, the MetBull shows nothing after 1950 in either
> state.
> I'm curious to learn where this guy got his info.
> Linton
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Mad Anne Ridge"
> meteorite???
>
>
> > I checked out the ridge - the only references I found
> to a "Mad Anne's
> > Ridge" were somewhere in Allegany County, NY, but the
> only fall within
> > New York that happened within a few decades of the
> 1960's was the
> > Schenectady meteorite, which fell *nowhere* near
> Allegany County - or
> > the town of Allegany (not in said county). And
> that stone fell in
> > 1968.
> >
> > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=york&sfor=places&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=United+States&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normal%20table&code=23458
> >
> > But there's a pretty amusing story as to how the ridge
> got its name here:
> >
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=4FtIAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=%22Mad+Anne's+Ridge%22+pioneer+days+in+alleghany+county&source=bl&ots=RArBojgFNW&sig=2oLGRSNw5Uz9qLrrUt7649QhlgU&hl=en&ei=cgpVS__oNoLctgO60syFCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Mad%20Anne's%20Ridge%22%20pioneer%20days%20in%20alleghany%20county&f=false
> >
> > Good old pioneer tales...
> > So either it's a myth or it's unreported.
> > Regards,
> > Jason
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Galactic Stone &
> Ironworks
> > <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Hi Linton and List,
> >>
> >> Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites doesn't contain
> any entry on that name
> >> or variation of that name.
> >>
> >> Best regards and clear skies,
> >>
> >> MikeG
> >>
> >> On 1/18/10, Linton Rohr <lintonius at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >>> Greetings listoids,
> >>> Someone on another forum (Astromart) asked
> about this alleged meteorite,
> >>> supposed to have fallen in the early '60's.
> I've never heard of it, but that
> >>> doesn't mean much. The MetBull shows no search
> results though, and that
> >>> carries a bit more weight. Has anybody heard
> this name before, or is this
> >>> guy out to lunch?
> >>> Linton
> >>>
> >>> I'm fairly certain this has nothing to do with
> our beloved friend in
> >>> Colorado. ;^)
> >>>
> >>>
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From cynapse at charter.net  Sat Jan 23 23:32:19 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:32:19 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Mad Anne Ridge" meteorite???
In-Reply-To: <11736A79C74747E09942AFC3B0A670B3@D190TH71>
References: <850377.5198.qm@web112311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<11736A79C74747E09942AFC3B0A670B3@D190TH71>
Message-ID: <k9jnl5puuq833aqq1fd86sj6aho9tj04oh@4ax.com>

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:03:10 -0800, you wrote:

>I find it remarkable that this guy inquired about a non-documented Virginia 
>fall just two days before the very real, very documented Lorton, Virginia 
>fall. What are the odds?

Never tell me the odds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKsVVmOGV9I


From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 23 23:53:31 2010
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:53:31 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1264303675.9825.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.23.1264303675.9825.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <COL108-W55589027F0643878A32EB89B600@phx.gbl>


LOL! That's funny! I had both Meteorfight and Meteorfright in my original list before I shortened it.

Meteorfight: Heated discussion on the List between hunters, collectors, researchers,... etc.

Meteorfright: Example- When your prize Lunar/Martian micros spills out of it's case and into a thick rug below.

Very similar to what others have said. GREAT!

Carl


 		 	   		  
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Sat Jan 23 23:56:54 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:56:54 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <32122.54f13cb4.388d099f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B0DD88F204A416DBC1AB4A1FF5EC209@Gregor>

MeteorSear - To be burned by a meteorite.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <impactika at aol.com>
To: <damoclid at yahoo.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> OK.............
>
> MeteorSeer -  Someone who can see a meteorite while it is still a meteor
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
>
> In a message dated 1/23/2010 7:07:53 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> damoclid at yahoo.com writes:
> OK I'll bite, here are my two:
>
> Meteorsight - What a meteorite hunter possesses if (s)he can spot a
> meteorite from 50 feet away.
>
> Meteormight - What it takes to lift a newly found meteorite out if its 
> hole.
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA #1081
>
>
> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:02 PM
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or
>> metal piece that is not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was
>> storming outside, so I had some free time and was thinking
>> up some new meteorite words to play around with. Kind of a
>> stupid exercise but was fun.
>>
>> Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about
>> meteors/meteorites. Postings in forums don't count.
>>
>> Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite
>> mistakes. Also a meteorite ombudsman.
>>
>> Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first
>> meteorite, gets hooked and collects more.
>>
>> Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning
>> about meteors/meteorites.
>>
>>
>> Carl
> ______________________________________________
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> 




From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Jan 24 00:07:36 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:07:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <32122.54f13cb4.388d099f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E90ABCFF681A43AA8DD0228CE5615A36@Gregor>

OK, I have a more positive one than my last one...

MeteorWrite - To be an author of a Meteorite article or Publication.
:-)

Greg

====================
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <impactika at aol.com>
To: <damoclid at yahoo.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> OK.............
>
> MeteorSeer -  Someone who can see a meteorite while it is still a meteor
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
>
> In a message dated 1/23/2010 7:07:53 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> damoclid at yahoo.com writes:
> OK I'll bite, here are my two:
>
> Meteorsight - What a meteorite hunter possesses if (s)he can spot a
> meteorite from 50 feet away.
>
> Meteormight - What it takes to lift a newly found meteorite out if its 
> hole.
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA #1081
>
>
> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:02 PM
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or
>> metal piece that is not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was
>> storming outside, so I had some free time and was thinking
>> up some new meteorite words to play around with. Kind of a
>> stupid exercise but was fun.
>>
>> Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about
>> meteors/meteorites. Postings in forums don't count.
>>
>> Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite
>> mistakes. Also a meteorite ombudsman.
>>
>> Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first
>> meteorite, gets hooked and collects more.
>>
>> Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning
>> about meteors/meteorites.
>>
>>
>> Carl
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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> 




From lintonius at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 24 00:25:19 2010
From: lintonius at earthlink.net (Linton Rohr)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:25:19 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Words - Meteorfright, indeed!
References: <mailman.23.1264303675.9825.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<COL108-W55589027F0643878A32EB89B600@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <909D624321704844BE75A214482E47B4@D190TH71>

<<<Meteorfright: Example- When your prize Lunar/Martian micros spills out of 
it's case and into a thick rug below.>>>

Yeah Carl, tell me about it. Last Sunday morning before we got up, I was 
telling my wife about Marsian and Lunar meteorites, and I went and got one 
to show her. It happened to be one I got from you... a small crumb of NWA 
1068. I handed the 2"x2" display case to her and started talking about it. 
Next thing I know, she's saying "I don't see anything". I look over and 
she's got the lid off (gasp!), with the case sloped, and of course nothing's 
there! Geez! So I told her not to move, and we scanned the bedsheets. I had 
her slowly shift her weight and then I spotted it, where it had rolled 
downhill toward her. I quickly placed it back in the case and snapped the 
lid shut. Whew! Talk about a scare!
Linton

---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl 's" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


>
> LOL! That's funny! I had both Meteorfight and Meteorfright in my original 
> list before I shortened it.
>
> Meteorfight: Heated discussion on the List between hunters, collectors, 
> researchers,... etc.
>
> Meteorfright: Example- When your prize Lunar/Martian micros spills out of 
> it's case and into a thick rug below.
>
> Very similar to what others have said. GREAT!
>
> Carl
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/
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From fujmon at mac.com  Sun Jan 24 00:28:24 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:28:24 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Words - Meteorfright, indeed!
In-Reply-To: <909D624321704844BE75A214482E47B4@D190TH71>
References: <mailman.23.1264303675.9825.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
	<COL108-W55589027F0643878A32EB89B600@phx.gbl>
	<909D624321704844BE75A214482E47B4@D190TH71>
Message-ID: <365B2FAF-BE5B-4750-BF4C-AE6EB36BA6A5@mac.com>

MeteorSight: the vision of Linton rushing to the rescue of his Martian!  :]

gary

On Jan 23, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Linton Rohr wrote:

> <<<Meteorfright: Example- When your prize Lunar/Martian micros spills out of it's case and into a thick rug below.>>>
> 
> Yeah Carl, tell me about it. Last Sunday morning before we got up, I was telling my wife about Marsian and Lunar meteorites, and I went and got one to show her. It happened to be one I got from you... a small crumb of NWA 1068. I handed the 2"x2" display case to her and started talking about it. Next thing I know, she's saying "I don't see anything". I look over and she's got the lid off (gasp!), with the case sloped, and of course nothing's there! Geez! So I told her not to move, and we scanned the bedsheets. I had her slowly shift her weight and then I spotted it, where it had rolled downhill toward her. I quickly placed it back in the case and snapped the lid shut. Whew! Talk about a scare!
> Linton
> 
> ---- Original Message ----- From: "Carl 's" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
> 
> 
>> 
>> LOL! That's funny! I had both Meteorfight and Meteorfright in my original list before I shortened it.
>> 
>> Meteorfight: Heated discussion on the List between hunters, collectors, researchers,... etc.
>> 
>> Meteorfright: Example- When your prize Lunar/Martian micros spills out of it's case and into a thick rug below.
>> 
>> Very similar to what others have said. GREAT!
>> 
>> Carl
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/
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> 
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(808) 640-9161







From cynapse at charter.net  Sun Jan 24 00:33:29 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:33:29 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Defending the Earth: Near-Earth Object Surveys and
	Hazard-Mitigation Strategies
In-Reply-To: <SNT117-W1176B2D80F3217C15A902ED2600@phx.gbl>
References: <COL108-W44D45AD16BAD0111ACCCE19B600@phx.gbl>
	<SNT117-W1176B2D80F3217C15A902ED2600@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5rmnl5tn0jb3t9eb5a2hf25i4bt6pdj2oi@4ax.com>

Download here:

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/

official site where they make you jump through stupid hoops:

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12842


From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sun Jan 24 00:53:45 2010
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:53:45 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Message-ID: <AFA8B4E8882B49C9BD1C7A8698F57EFF@laptop>

Here's one
 
A MeteoriteHit A hammer meteorite

MeteoriteBurger A flaming meteorite at the bottom of 
the crater.

Pete



From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Jan 24 01:22:19 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:22:19 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <32122.54f13cb4.388d099f@aol.com>
	<E90ABCFF681A43AA8DD0228CE5615A36@Gregor>
Message-ID: <EB36371FE88C497499596F0DDC56CA60@Gregor>

MeteorWrong - When Meteorites are Needlessly Cut Up!
:-(

Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
To: <impactika at aol.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> OK, I have a more positive one than my last one...
>
> MeteorWrite - To be an author of a Meteorite article or Publication.
> :-)
>
> Greg
>
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA 3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <impactika at aol.com>
> To: <damoclid at yahoo.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>
>
>> OK.............
>>
>> MeteorSeer -  Someone who can see a meteorite while it is still a meteor
>>
>> Anne M. Black
>> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
>> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
>> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/23/2010 7:07:53 PM Mountain Standard Time,
>> damoclid at yahoo.com writes:
>> OK I'll bite, here are my two:
>>
>> Meteorsight - What a meteorite hunter possesses if (s)he can spot a
>> meteorite from 50 feet away.
>>
>> Meteormight - What it takes to lift a newly found meteorite out if its 
>> hole.
>>
>> --
>> Richard Kowalski
>> http://fullmoonphotography.net
>> IMCA #1081
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:02 PM
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or
>>> metal piece that is not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was
>>> storming outside, so I had some free time and was thinking
>>> up some new meteorite words to play around with. Kind of a
>>> stupid exercise but was fun.
>>>
>>> Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about
>>> meteors/meteorites. Postings in forums don't count.
>>>
>>> Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite
>>> mistakes. Also a meteorite ombudsman.
>>>
>>> Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first
>>> meteorite, gets hooked and collects more.
>>>
>>> Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning
>>> about meteors/meteorites.
>>>
>>>
>>> Carl
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at 
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at 
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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> 




From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 24 01:28:21 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:28:21 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <EB36371FE88C497499596F0DDC56CA60@Gregor>
References: <32122.54f13cb4.388d099f@aol.com>,
	<E90ABCFF681A43AA8DD0228CE5615A36@Gregor>,
	<EB36371FE88C497499596F0DDC56CA60@Gregor>
Message-ID: <SNT117-W1543C118713E448F31ECBFD2600@phx.gbl>


or

MeteorWronged

Greg S.

----------------------------------------
> From: gmhupe at htn.net
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:22:19 -0500
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>
> MeteorWrong - When Meteorites are Needlessly Cut Up!
> :-(
>
> Greg
>
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA 3163
> ====================
> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Hupe" 
> To: ; 
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>
>
>> OK, I have a more positive one than my last one...
>>
>> MeteorWrite - To be an author of a Meteorite article or Publication.
>> :-)
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> ====================
>> Greg Hupe
>> The Hupe Collection
>> NaturesVault (eBay)
>> gmhupe at htn.net
>> www.LunarRock.com
>> IMCA 3163
>> ====================
>> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: 
>> To: ; 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>>
>>
>>> OK.............
>>>
>>> MeteorSeer - Someone who can see a meteorite while it is still a meteor
>>>
>>> Anne M. Black
>>> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
>>> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
>>> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>>> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/23/2010 7:07:53 PM Mountain Standard Time,
>>> damoclid at yahoo.com writes:
>>> OK I'll bite, here are my two:
>>>
>>> Meteorsight - What a meteorite hunter possesses if (s)he can spot a
>>> meteorite from 50 feet away.
>>>
>>> Meteormight - What it takes to lift a newly found meteorite out if its
>>> hole.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Kowalski
>>> http://fullmoonphotography.net
>>> IMCA #1081
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Carl 's  wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Carl 's 
>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 7:02 PM
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or
>>>> metal piece that is not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was
>>>> storming outside, so I had some free time and was thinking
>>>> up some new meteorite words to play around with. Kind of a
>>>> stupid exercise but was fun.
>>>>
>>>> Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about
>>>> meteors/meteorites. Postings in forums don't count.
>>>>
>>>> Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite
>>>> mistakes. Also a meteorite ombudsman.
>>>>
>>>> Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first
>>>> meteorite, gets hooked and collects more.
>>>>
>>>> Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning
>>>> about meteors/meteorites.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Carl
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 24 02:59:18 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:59:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Additional new descriptive words.
Message-ID: <20801799.1264319958989.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

List,

Suggested additions to the nominclature.

METEORED.......what has happened to a person, or object, struck by a meteor. "The doctor's office   was meteored."

METEORFREAK....see METEORGEEK.

METEORGEEK.....one obsessed with, or possessing, copious knowledge of meteorites.

METEORING......engaging in searching for, buying, trading, studying, or classifying meteorites.

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536





 


From Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de  Sun Jan 24 04:23:54 2010
From: Carsten.Giessler at t-online.de (Carsten Giessler)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:23:54 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions Ending Today
Message-ID: <4B5C11AA.5080800@t-online.de>

Hola List,

i got a few Ebay auctions ending soon.

There is a slice of a possible CV3 with a very cool greenish olivine 
inclusion:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-NWA-XXXX-Possible-Chondrite-CV3-COOL-SLICE_W0QQitemZ220543312485QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item335967e265

a 55-6g. halfstone of a strongly shocked L6 Chondrite, NWA 4727:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-NWA-4727-Strongly-Shocked-Chondrite-55-6g_W0QQitemZ220543306860QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item335967cc6c

a nice slice of NWA 5697, L3

http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-NWA-5697-Beautiful-Chondrite-L3-Slice-6-6g_W0QQitemZ220543309564QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item335967d6fc

beautiful fullslice of CAPOT REY, 15.5g.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-CAPOT-REY-Very-Nice-H5-Chondrite-From-Niger_W0QQitemZ220543310708QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item335967db74

and some more!

To view all the auctions follow this link:

http://shop.ebay.com/gipometeorites/m.html?LH_Auction=1&_ipg=&_trksid=p3911.c0.m301



Many thanks for viewing!

Best wishes,

Carsten

-- 


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Gipometeorites - www.gi-po.de -
email: c-giessler at gi-po.de

Member of the Meteoritical Society
International Society for Meteoritics and Planetary Science

IMCA Member:3457
International Meteorite Collectors Association



From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Sun Jan 24 06:45:12 2010
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:45:12 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
Message-ID: <4b5c32c8.9d.43da.52236802@webmaildh1.ad.aruba.it>

hello

I need a piece of the Lorton meteorite if available, a
fragment or a thin slice

matteo


M come Meteorite Meteoriti
info at mcomemeteorite.it
http://www.mcomemeteorite.it
http://www.mcomemeteorite.org
Mindat Gallery
http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html
ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici
http://www.chinellatophoto.com


From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Sun Jan 24 07:39:04 2010
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:39:04 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Additional new descriptive words.
In-Reply-To: <20801799.1264319958989.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <20801799.1264319958989.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000e01ca9cf2$385406d0$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>


And METEORTIGHT we will be,
if the protagonists are successful, 
who in some cases, seen the substance of their propaganda in media ans
publications, could be called:  METEORISTS






-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
countdeiro at earthlink.net
Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Januar 2010 08:59
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Additional new descriptive words.

List,

Suggested additions to the nominclature.

METEORED.......what has happened to a person, or object, struck by a meteor.
"The doctor's office   was meteored."

METEORFREAK....see METEORGEEK.

METEORGEEK.....one obsessed with, or possessing, copious knowledge of
meteorites.

METEORING......engaging in searching for, buying, trading, studying, or
classifying meteorites.

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536





 
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From michael at rocksfromspace.org  Sun Jan 24 08:20:55 2010
From: michael at rocksfromspace.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:20:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 24,
	2010
Message-ID: <2011930034.245861264339255131.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_24_2010.html



From almitt at kconline.com  Sun Jan 24 09:31:13 2010
From: almitt at kconline.com (al mitt)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:31:13 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <AFA8B4E8882B49C9BD1C7A8698F57EFF@laptop>
References: <AFA8B4E8882B49C9BD1C7A8698F57EFF@laptop>
Message-ID: <CF3495F2619742BF956435140F3660C0@StarmanPC>

Greetings,

Leaverite:  leaverite there it ain't a meteorite

--AL






From fujmon at mac.com  Sun Jan 24 10:04:57 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 05:04:57 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <CF3495F2619742BF956435140F3660C0@StarmanPC>
References: <AFA8B4E8882B49C9BD1C7A8698F57EFF@laptop>
	<CF3495F2619742BF956435140F3660C0@StarmanPC>
Message-ID: <9C9152CC-F0B9-418D-AD96-1600BF7F13D3@mac.com>

MeteorBlight:  Periods of time during which no meteorite falls have been officially recognized - 2005 comes to mind  :(

Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
(808) 640-9161







From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 24 10:17:22 2010
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:17:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite men/ and a different mike farmer???
Message-ID: <157618.15549.qm@web57804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi again list.I missed the opening of meteorite men on wed.I looked at the wrong times.So I was able to dvr it and watched it yesterday.Steve and geoff you put on a really great show.I look forward to many more?and seeing you both in tucson.I am big fan of 24,with keifer sutherland.On the first 4 hours there was?an actor whom I remember seeing on the first X-FILES season.In these 4 episodes he played a character whose name was MIKE FARMER.He did not look like he was selling meteorites,more like killing to get them.Just an unusal take here and I thought it was interesting.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! chicagometeorites.net/ 


From jgrossman at usgs.gov  Sun Jan 24 10:35:59 2010
From: jgrossman at usgs.gov (Jeff Grossman)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:35:59 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <COL108-W44D45AD16BAD0111ACCCE19B600@phx.gbl>
References: <COL108-W44D45AD16BAD0111ACCCE19B600@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B5C68DF.8020303@usgs.gov>

Meteorologist: somebody who studies meteorites.  I'm sick of correcting 
people.

Jeff

On 2010-01-23 9:02 PM, Carl 's wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or metal piece that is not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was storming outside, so I had some free time and was thinking up some new meteorite words to play around with. Kind of a stupid exercise but was fun.
>
> Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about meteors/meteorites. Postings in forums don't count.
>
> Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite mistakes. Also a meteorite ombudsman.
>
> Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first meteorite, gets hooked and collects more.
>
> Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning about meteors/meteorites.
>
>
> Carl
>
>
>
>   		 	   		
> _________________________________________________________________
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US Geological Survey          fax:   (703) 648-6383
954 National Center
Reston, VA 20192, USA




From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Jan 24 12:07:49 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:07:49 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <AFA8B4E8882B49C9BD1C7A8698F57EFF@laptop>
	<CF3495F2619742BF956435140F3660C0@StarmanPC>
Message-ID: <031B2585BF9D420B9EA356959923473F@Gregor>

MeteorBidder - Someone who seeks great deals at meteorite auctions.

"Meteor-Meteor" - What a Tucson Show attendee repeatedly mumbles while going 
room to room in search of the perfect meteorite.

MeteorFinder - One lucky person!

MeteorBroke - Someone who does not have enough money for a meteorite.

MeteoriteBroker - Someone who still does not have the cash so uses credit 
cards to buy meteorites.

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "al mitt" <almitt at kconline.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> Greetings,
>
> Leaverite:  leaverite there it ain't a meteorite
>
> --AL
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at 
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 




From freequarks at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 12:32:04 2010
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:32:04 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <031B2585BF9D420B9EA356959923473F@Gregor>
References: <AFA8B4E8882B49C9BD1C7A8698F57EFF@laptop>
	<CF3495F2619742BF956435140F3660C0@StarmanPC>
	<031B2585BF9D420B9EA356959923473F@Gregor>
Message-ID: <822da19a1001240932j157a5c94j10f264024092d49a@mail.gmail.com>

Metor-Ick(y) = wholesale @ 5 cents/g in Tucson if you buy the whole box.

Meteorbisity = when one's collection cabinet shelves begin to sag
under the weight of unclassified NWAs.

Meteorgasim = oh, you'll know it when you have one.

and

MeteorId = the root psychology that makes us collect these things as
in Freud's id where, specifically, the id is the part of the human
personality that is made up of all our inborn biological urges that
seeks out immediate gratification (guided by the Pleasure Principle),
regardless of social values or consequences.

-Martin


From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Jan 24 12:45:15 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:45:15 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <AFA8B4E8882B49C9BD1C7A8698F57EFF@laptop>
	<CF3495F2619742BF956435140F3660C0@StarmanPC>
	<031B2585BF9D420B9EA356959923473F@Gregor>
	<822da19a1001240932j157a5c94j10f264024092d49a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F5A0EFD79AD4B4BB6B1F0E97F0D7EA7@Gregor>

Meteor-Circus = Tucson Show.
Meat-eor = When someone has a larger collection.
Meteor-Envy = When someone has an even larger collection.
Bowl-Eyed = To get hit in the head by a meteorite.

Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dark Matter" <freequarks at gmail.com>
To: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> Metor-Ick(y) = wholesale @ 5 cents/g in Tucson if you buy the whole box.
>
> Meteorbisity = when one's collection cabinet shelves begin to sag
> under the weight of unclassified NWAs.
>
> Meteorgasim = oh, you'll know it when you have one.
>
> and
>
> MeteorId = the root psychology that makes us collect these things as
> in Freud's id where, specifically, the id is the part of the human
> personality that is made up of all our inborn biological urges that
> seeks out immediate gratification (guided by the Pleasure Principle),
> regardless of social values or consequences.
>
> -Martin
> 




From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 12:45:35 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:45:35 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Park Forest Displays, Murchison Displays,
	Rare Trinitite Pearl, uNWA Bulk Lots, New Micros, more...
Message-ID: <e51421551001240945l32fc4982o20f36669d463c481@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List!

I have some new exclusive displays, only available from Galactic Stone -

Park Forest - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Park-Forest-Display--Illinois-Hammer-Meteorite-2003--L5-Chondrite_1205787.html

Murchison - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Murchison-Display--Rare-1969-Carbonaceous-Meteorite-w-Amino-Acids_1205777.html

HEDO/Vesta - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/HEDO-Display--Lot-of-Four-Meteorites-from-Asteroid-Vesta_1203568.html

Chicxulub - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Chicxulub-Tektite-Display--Rare-Dinosaur-Extinction-Relic_1197188.html

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New Offerings -

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uNWA Hand Specimen -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Big-Dark-UNWA-Meteorite--Nice-Hand-Specimen-48-grams_1215898.html

Park Forest Micro-Slice -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Park-Forest-Micro-Slice--Illinois-Hammer-2003--L5-Chondrite_1213597.html

Small Bassikounou Endcut -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Bassikounou--Witnessed-Fall--Endcut-w-Fresh-Black-Crust--1gr_1210983.html

Lightning in Bottle -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Lightning-in-a-Bottle--Fulgurite-in-a-Glass-Bottle-wCork_1203677.html

Bassikounou crusted half-stone -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Bassikounou--Witnessed-Fall-H5-Meteorite--Big-Crusted-Chunk_1197886.html

Vintage 1960 Rock Collector Set (w/ uranium and gold ores) -
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Don't forget - all List members (this means you!) get a 25% discount
off everything in the store.  Use the coupon code "metlist" at
checkout to get the discount. (minimum order $10)

Charity Auction for Doctors Without Borders -
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Thanks for looking and Good Luck to the Lorton Virginia Hunters!

MikeG


From damoclid at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 24 12:51:31 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:51:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Message-ID: <962013.74800.qm@web113604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'll add two more

Mete-awe - The feeling wen you walk into a museum with a spectacular meteorite display. That same feeling occurs when you walk into the various meteorite dealer's rooms in Tucson!

Mete-Awe Right! - The exultation you feel when the specimen you've long searched out is found and added to your collection.


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


      


From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Jan 24 12:54:33 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:54:33 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <962013.74800.qm@web113604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01C04072896D471BB183BD72766C095F@Gregor>

Good Ones!
I'll add a different meaning to one of yours,
"Mete-awe" = The news services who interview lucky finders of meteorites.

Greg


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> I'll add two more
>
> Mete-awe - The feeling wen you walk into a museum with a spectacular 
> meteorite display. That same feeling occurs when you walk into the various 
> meteorite dealer's rooms in Tucson!
>
> Mete-Awe Right! - The exultation you feel when the specimen you've long 
> searched out is found and added to your collection.
>
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA #1081
>
>
>
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Jan 24 12:58:04 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:58:04 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <962013.74800.qm@web113604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <19EEDC29A2AC45F98B7F04722108D3AA@Gregor>

Asteroid = An itching to collect and hunt meteorites.
Meteoroid = Similar to above, butt smaller. Sometimes a visit to the doctor 
is required!

Greg


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> I'll add two more
>
> Mete-awe - The feeling wen you walk into a museum with a spectacular 
> meteorite display. That same feeling occurs when you walk into the various 
> meteorite dealer's rooms in Tucson!
>
> Mete-Awe Right! - The exultation you feel when the specimen you've long 
> searched out is found and added to your collection.
>
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA #1081
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at 
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 24 13:27:56 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:27:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Snow in Arizona
Message-ID: <772633.46457.qm@web113616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I thought that those visiting the Great State of Arizona this coming week, before The Show in Tucson might be interested in seeing today's visible satellite image.

It is mostly clear across the state today, so the latest 1km resolution satellite images might prove interesting.

http://www.atmo.arizona.edu/gifs/VISAZ.GIF

While this view cuts off the very northern part of the state, including the Grand Canyon, you can see all the higher terrains are covered in snow.

Mt. Lemmon, the tallest peak in the Santa Catalinas, which loom over Tucson just to the north, received between 2 to 5 feet of snow this week with a little more expected this week.

If you want to visit these parts of the state, plan and pack accordingly.

The forecast for the first week of The Show is for sunny skies almost every day with highs in the low to mid 60sF (~17C), with lows at night in the 40s (~6C).


--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


      


From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 13:37:36 2010
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:37:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: First cut at wind-shifted,
	predicted impact coordinates
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Hi,

Meteor wizard Rob Matson has taken a first crack at estimating a
strewnfield for the Lorton Meteorite.

I have plotted the points in Google Earth. You can see some maps and
download the KMZ file here:

http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/astro-photos/lorton-meteorite-estimated-strewnfield-version-1/

Its looking like the Fort Belvoir Golf Course could be prime hunting grounds.

Rob is the only person I know of who is qualified to do this type of
work and willing to share it with the meteorite community. Rob's work
has been instrumental in numerous meteorite discoveries and we all owe
him a debt of gratitude.

Thanks Rob!

Mike




Hi Guys,

I've done some serious data-gathering and number-crunching
today to come up with a hunting corridor for you. Here are
my current best assumptions based on witness observations,
images of the dust cloud, the impact location, and upper
atmospheric radiosonde data for the balloon launched from
Sterling, VA, about an hour after the fall:

Entry angle: ~55-60 degrees from horizontal (i.e. steep)
Flight direction:? Azimuth +191 (11 degrees west of south)
Average wind velocity from 5-16 km altitude:? 70 knots
Average wind direction from 5-16 km altitude:? Az 90 (east)

Using an example break-up altitude of 25 km at an initial
velocity of 15 km/sec, the rotation of the strewn field
relative to flight direction ends up being 40-50 deg clockwise,
which is quite significant. Here are where masses of various
sizes end up, both in Lat/Long and distance/bearing from the
308 g find:

?Mass??? Longitude? Latitude? Dist (mi) Bearing
-------? ---------? --------? --------- -------
? 3 g??? -77.12929? 38.73888???? 5.2????? 59.3
? 5 g??? -77.14419? 38.73268???? 4.3????? 58.7
?15 g??? -77.16179? 38.72688???? 3.2????? 56.0
?40 g??? -77.18079? 38.71908???? 2.1????? 52.6
120 g??? -77.19569? 38.71088???? 1.1????? 50.6
(308 g)? -77.21159? 38.70068???? -0-????? N/A
1150 g?? -77.22609? 38.69048???? 1.1???? 228.0
3750 g?? -77.24249? 38.67848???? 2.3???? 227.4

The reason the masses aren't round numbers is that my program
includes ablation, so while the simulated stones started off
with nice round numbers like 100 g and 1 kg at altitude, the
ablated masses are a fraction of the original.

So where are these locations? The 120-gram mass ends up near
Rhondda Drive, a couple hundred meters NW of Richmond Highway
and Telegraph Rd. The 40-gram mass ends up on the north end
of Ft. Belvoir. The simulated 15-grammer ends up on the Ft.
Belvoir golf course. But 5-gram stones would be off the base
to its north, north of John J. Kingman Rd. And 3-gram stones
end up in the southwest corner of Huntley Meadows Park.

Going in the other direction (heavier masses), the ~1.1 kilo
simulated mass above ends up very close to I-95, a little
west of Morris Ginsberg & Co.? And the largest mass I ran
crosses over to the other side of I-95 on Landfill Drive. ;-)

If you connect all these dots, you should find quite a bit
of searchable real estate.? My advice is on a map to draw a
45 degree angle southwest of the doctor's office for heavier
stones, and a ~55-degree angle NE of the 308-g find for the
lighter stuff (that's 55-degrees clockwise from north).

I'll continue to search for better observations that can
yield a more accurate entry angle.? We really need a good
observer who had a side view of the event and can tell us
what the slope was like relative to the horizon.? --Rob


From bobl at peaktopeak.com  Sun Jan 24 13:46:12 2010
From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:46:12 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <19EEDC29A2AC45F98B7F04722108D3AA@Gregor>
Message-ID: <20100124184614.EB6A81053B@mailwash5.pair.com>

Hi all,

I was hoping to not get involved in this, but Greg's just gave me the idea
for this clever one (I don't think anyone has mentioned it yet):

Hemaroid - The horrible feeling, very low in your gut, that you get when you
find out that your meteorite is really a hematite meteor-wrong.

Ok, no more from me.  :-)

Bob Loeffler


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hupe
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:58 AM
To: Richard Kowalski; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words

Asteroid = An itching to collect and hunt meteorites.
Meteoroid = Similar to above, butt smaller. Sometimes a visit to the doctor 
is required!

Greg


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> I'll add two more
>
> Mete-awe - The feeling wen you walk into a museum with a spectacular 
> meteorite display. That same feeling occurs when you walk into the various

> meteorite dealer's rooms in Tucson!
>
> Mete-Awe Right! - The exultation you feel when the specimen you've long 
> searched out is found and added to your collection.
>
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA #1081
>
>
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From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 13:48:29 2010
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:48:29 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
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This has been a fun post. Kind of reminds me of the meteor limericks
from last summer. Here's a crack at a few (not sure if some of these
are dupes),

MeteorFlight - the path of a meteor as it falls to earth
MeteorHype - what the media does after a public meteor fall
MeteorWiz - Rob Matson
Meteoriteosis - An obsessive psychological disorder for which there is no cure.
MeteorLight - Light put off from a fireball that in some cases can
cast shadows; or what someone sees when they catch meteoriteosis

Thanks,

Mike

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or metal piece that is not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was storming outside, so I had some free time and was thinking up some new meteorite words to play around with. Kind of a stupid exercise but was fun.
>
> Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about meteors/meteorites. Postings in forums don't count.
>
> Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite mistakes. Also a meteorite ombudsman.
>
> Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first meteorite, gets hooked and collects more.
>
> Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning about meteors/meteorites.
>
>
> Carl
>
>
>
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Jan 24 13:51:39 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:51:39 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <20100124184614.EB6A81053B@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <A7C684F696CE41E49647B100978A80E6@Gregor>

Hey Bob,

Love it! Think of some more. This word game is fun, Thanks Carl!

Here's one more:
Meteor-Poker (AKA 'Moroccan Poker') = A game played in Morocco when 
negotiating for stones, he who blinks first loses!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Loeffler" <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> Hi all,
>
> I was hoping to not get involved in this, but Greg's just gave me the idea
> for this clever one (I don't think anyone has mentioned it yet):
>
> Hemaroid - The horrible feeling, very low in your gut, that you get when 
> you
> find out that your meteorite is really a hematite meteor-wrong.
>
> Ok, no more from me.  :-)
>
> Bob Loeffler
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
> Hupe
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:58 AM
> To: Richard Kowalski; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>
> Asteroid = An itching to collect and hunt meteorites.
> Meteoroid = Similar to above, butt smaller. Sometimes a visit to the 
> doctor
> is required!
>
> Greg
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>
>
>> I'll add two more
>>
>> Mete-awe - The feeling wen you walk into a museum with a spectacular
>> meteorite display. That same feeling occurs when you walk into the 
>> various
>
>> meteorite dealer's rooms in Tucson!
>>
>> Mete-Awe Right! - The exultation you feel when the specimen you've long
>> searched out is found and added to your collection.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Richard Kowalski
>> http://fullmoonphotography.net
>> IMCA #1081
>>
>>
>>
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 24 13:58:16 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:58:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Message-ID: <16409843.1264359496390.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

How about these?

METEOROSIS ....A mental disorder presenting as an obsessive and compulsive desire to find and possess meteorites.    

METEORITIS.....Inflammation of the soft tissue of the dominant limb and/or spine used in the collection of meteorites.     

METEOROPATHY...Debilitating and chronic disease caused by contact with meteorites.

METEOROLOGIST..An individual whose doctoral discipline is the study and treatment of disease caused by the obsession with and/or contact with meteorites.

METEORCIDE.....The intentional,or unintentional,taking of a life with the use of a meteorite.

Per esempio: 

a. Struck by an arriving meteor. 
b. Bashed by a meteorite wielded by a third party. 
c. Jumping into deep water with whilst attached to a sack full of Campos, or better yet, Nantans.             

With tongue in cheek and "On to Tucson!

Count Deiro
 



-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
>Sent: Jan 24, 2010 12:07 PM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>
>MeteorBidder - Someone who seeks great deals at meteorite auctions.
>
>"Meteor-Meteor" - What a Tucson Show attendee repeatedly mumbles while going 
>room to room in search of the perfect meteorite.
>
>MeteorFinder - One lucky person!
>
>MeteorBroke - Someone who does not have enough money for a meteorite.
>
>MeteoriteBroker - Someone who still does not have the cash so uses credit 
>cards to buy meteorites.
>
>Best regards,
>Greg
>
>====================
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>----- Original Message ----- 
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>To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:31 AM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Leaverite:  leaverite there it ain't a meteorite
>>
>> --AL
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 14:00:04 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:00:04 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
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References: <19EEDC29A2AC45F98B7F04722108D3AA@Gregor>
	<20100124184614.EB6A81053B@mailwash5.pair.com>
Message-ID: <e51421551001241100i75739148h5c290f25a72dd4e4@mail.gmail.com>

I couldn't resist, so here are a few more -

Meteorblight - when a meteorite causes reports of sickness, like Carancas.

Condrite - a misrepresented meteorite sold by an unscrupulous dealer.

Loonar - a bogus lunaite offered by some nut who is convinced it is a
real lunar.  A recent example is that guy who bombards list members
with hundreds of photo attachments of his loonars.



On 1/24/10, Bob Loeffler <bobl at peaktopeak.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was hoping to not get involved in this, but Greg's just gave me the idea
> for this clever one (I don't think anyone has mentioned it yet):
>
> Hemaroid - The horrible feeling, very low in your gut, that you get when you
> find out that your meteorite is really a hematite meteor-wrong.
>
> Ok, no more from me.  :-)
>
> Bob Loeffler
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hupe
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:58 AM
> To: Richard Kowalski; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>
> Asteroid = An itching to collect and hunt meteorites.
> Meteoroid = Similar to above, butt smaller. Sometimes a visit to the doctor
> is required!
>
> Greg
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>
>
>> I'll add two more
>>
>> Mete-awe - The feeling wen you walk into a museum with a spectacular
>> meteorite display. That same feeling occurs when you walk into the various
>
>> meteorite dealer's rooms in Tucson!
>>
>> Mete-Awe Right! - The exultation you feel when the specimen you've long
>> searched out is found and added to your collection.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Richard Kowalski
>> http://fullmoonphotography.net
>> IMCA #1081
>>
>>
>>
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Jan 24 14:04:37 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:04:37 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <19EEDC29A2AC45F98B7F04722108D3AA@Gregor><20100124184614.EB6A81053B@mailwash5.pair.com>
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Hey Mike,

Three more good ones! I think the "Condrite" was pretty clever as there are 
plenty of con artists out there!

Don't forget Norbert is a self proclaimed "Lunatic" (a good thing!) :-)

Greg

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
To: "Bob Loeffler" <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


>I couldn't resist, so here are a few more -
>
> Meteorblight - when a meteorite causes reports of sickness, like Carancas.
>
> Condrite - a misrepresented meteorite sold by an unscrupulous dealer.
>
> Loonar - a bogus lunaite offered by some nut who is convinced it is a
> real lunar.  A recent example is that guy who bombards list members
> with hundreds of photo attachments of his loonars.
>
>
>
> On 1/24/10, Bob Loeffler <bobl at peaktopeak.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was hoping to not get involved in this, but Greg's just gave me the 
>> idea
>> for this clever one (I don't think anyone has mentioned it yet):
>>
>> Hemaroid - The horrible feeling, very low in your gut, that you get when 
>> you
>> find out that your meteorite is really a hematite meteor-wrong.
>>
>> Ok, no more from me.  :-)
>>
>> Bob Loeffler
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
>> Hupe
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:58 AM
>> To: Richard Kowalski; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>>
>> Asteroid = An itching to collect and hunt meteorites.
>> Meteoroid = Similar to above, butt smaller. Sometimes a visit to the 
>> doctor
>> is required!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>>
>>
>>> I'll add two more
>>>
>>> Mete-awe - The feeling wen you walk into a museum with a spectacular
>>> meteorite display. That same feeling occurs when you walk into the 
>>> various
>>
>>> meteorite dealer's rooms in Tucson!
>>>
>>> Mete-Awe Right! - The exultation you feel when the specimen you've long
>>> searched out is found and added to your collection.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Kowalski
>>> http://fullmoonphotography.net
>>> IMCA #1081
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
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>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From piebear at cox.net  Sun Jan 24 14:09:53 2010
From: piebear at cox.net (Arlene Schlazer)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:09:53 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
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References: <COL108-W44D45AD16BAD0111ACCCE19B600@phx.gbl>
	<f0a794131001241048j43b4a4f2g907b9543947cefdb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74AB5EEC97E94D5D8E497F0F95347824@PiePC>

I couldn't resist this one to go along with your "meteoriteosis"

MeteorAnon - A proposed new chapter dedicated to the treatment of those 
hopelessly addicted to meteorites.

MeteoriteMadness--The result of not seeking the help of MeteorAnon......!!



Arlene Schlazer



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Hankey" <mike.hankey at gmail.com>
To: "Carl 's" <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> This has been a fun post. Kind of reminds me of the meteor limericks
> from last summer. Here's a crack at a few (not sure if some of these
> are dupes),
>
> MeteorFlight - the path of a meteor as it falls to earth
> MeteorHype - what the media does after a public meteor fall
> MeteorWiz - Rob Matson
> Meteoriteosis - An obsessive psychological disorder for which there is no 
> cure.
> MeteorLight - Light put off from a fireball that in some cases can
> cast shadows; or what someone sees when they catch meteoriteosis
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Carl 's <carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You all know that a meteorwrong is a suspected rock or metal piece that 
>> is not a meteorite, right? Anyway,it was storming outside, so I had some 
>> free time and was thinking up some new meteorite words to play around 
>> with. Kind of a stupid exercise but was fun.
>>
>> Meteorwriter: Someone who writes a book or article about 
>> meteors/meteorites. Postings in forums don't count.
>>
>> Meteorighter: Someone who corrects meteor/meteorite mistakes. Also a 
>> meteorite ombudsman.
>>
>> Meteorbite: What happens when someone buys their first meteorite, gets 
>> hooked and collects more.
>>
>> Meteortykes: Newbies (or young kids) collecting or learning about 
>> meteors/meteorites.
>>
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Jan 24 14:10:21 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:10:21 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <20100124184614.EB6A81053B@mailwash5.pair.com>
	<A7C684F696CE41E49647B100978A80E6@Gregor>
Message-ID: <5E7009E134394E7480A0C175562AE168@Gregor>

A few more with a spacecraft theme:

Voyager = Someone who will travel long distances to hunt/buy meteorites.
Opportunity = When a great deal presents itself that can not be passed up.
Spirit = Something we all have to actively collect meteorites.

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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From erikfwebb at msn.com  Sun Jan 24 14:21:34 2010
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:21:34 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <534BC438D9AD41B0A2279262836D07E4@Gregor>
References: <19EEDC29A2AC45F98B7F04722108D3AA@Gregor><20100124184614.EB6A81053B@mailwash5.pair.com>,
	<e51421551001241100i75739148h5c290f25a72dd4e4@mail.gmail.com>,
	<534BC438D9AD41B0A2279262836D07E4@Gregor>
Message-ID: <COL119-W11A7EEDBA1E7A01145868CA4600@phx.gbl>


As if you hadn't read enough of them:

Metoria (Mee-Tor-ee-ah) - The astroid belt.? It's home to a lot of asteroids and meteoroids.

Sikhotpox (See-coht-pocks) - A rash, usually on the hands/arms, resulting from an allergy to nickle.? The rash may appear after several hours of fondling nickle/iron meteorites.

[Erik]

P.S.? at least the limericks are gone
 		 	   		  

From mike.hankey at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 14:32:00 2010
From: mike.hankey at gmail.com (Mike Hankey)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:32:00 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] OFF LIST  Fwd: First cut at wind-shifted,
	predicted 	impact coordinates
In-Reply-To: <F23CF9D26A3C477BBA90FF2745F08994@meteorroom>
References: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMKEMJEAAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>
	<7C640E28081AEE4B952F008D1E913F17029B0213@0461-its-exmb04.us.saic.com>
	<f0a794131001211330r3c251532p19aeb789f8eb48f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<7C640E28081AEE4B952F008D1E913F17029B0285@0461-its-exmb04.us.saic.com>
	<f0a794131001211412v51391e8ep5953ec752145d943@mail.gmail.com>
	<7C640E28081AEE4B952F008D1E913F17029B0792@0461-its-exmb04.us.saic.com>
	<3bf23c361001221201i10a858c5s7fb583a4acb1ba4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<7C640E28081AEE4B952F008D1E913F1701412665@0461-its-exmb04.us.saic.com>
	<f0a794131001241037r71f2b243vdee75f8997702eb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<F23CF9D26A3C477BBA90FF2745F08994@meteorroom>
Message-ID: <f0a794131001241132x30da6f6w1fbbed61da55a4ea@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

A correction to this email was pointed out to me off-list:

"Marc Fries was the first to use this strategy and has been as willing
as anyone else to share his information within the meteorite
community."

I chose some words poorly and didn't mean to insinuate that there were
not other people out there who could plot strewnfields and meant no
disrespect to Marc or others who have helped plot fields that led to
discoveries or helped with searches in the past. Marc was very helpful
with the PA fall and provided a great deal of information. I'm sure if
he wasn't in Antartica now he would be all over this too.

Thanks,

Mike


>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> Hankey
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:38 PM
> To: meteoritelist
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: First cut at wind-shifted,predicted impact
> coordinates
>
> Hi,
>
> Meteor wizard Rob Matson has taken a first crack at estimating a strewnfield
> for the Lorton Meteorite.
>
> I have plotted the points in Google Earth. You can see some maps and
> download the KMZ file here:
>
> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/astro-photos/lorton-meteorite-estimated-stre
> wnfield-version-1/
>
> Its looking like the Fort Belvoir Golf Course could be prime hunting
> grounds.
>
> Rob is the only person I know of who is qualified to do this type of work
> and willing to share it with the meteorite community. Rob's work has been
> instrumental in numerous meteorite discoveries and we all owe him a debt of
> gratitude.
>
> Thanks Rob!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I've done some serious data-gathering and number-crunching today to come up
> with a hunting corridor for you. Here are my current best assumptions based
> on witness observations, images of the dust cloud, the impact location, and
> upper atmospheric radiosonde data for the balloon launched from Sterling,
> VA, about an hour after the fall:
>
> Entry angle: ~55-60 degrees from horizontal (i.e. steep) Flight direction:
> Azimuth +191 (11 degrees west of south) Average wind velocity from 5-16 km
> altitude:? 70 knots Average wind direction from 5-16 km altitude:? Az 90
> (east)
>
> Using an example break-up altitude of 25 km at an initial velocity of 15
> km/sec, the rotation of the strewn field relative to flight direction ends
> up being 40-50 deg clockwise, which is quite significant. Here are where
> masses of various sizes end up, both in Lat/Long and distance/bearing from
> the
> 308 g find:
>
> ?Mass??? Longitude? Latitude? Dist (mi) Bearing
> -------? ---------? --------? --------- -------
> ? 3 g??? -77.12929? 38.73888???? 5.2????? 59.3
> ? 5 g??? -77.14419? 38.73268???? 4.3????? 58.7
> ?15 g??? -77.16179? 38.72688???? 3.2????? 56.0
> ?40 g??? -77.18079? 38.71908???? 2.1????? 52.6 120 g??? -77.19569
> 38.71088???? 1.1????? 50.6
> (308 g)? -77.21159? 38.70068???? -0-????? N/A 1150 g?? -77.22609
> 38.69048???? 1.1???? 228.0 3750 g?? -77.24249? 38.67848???? 2.3???? 227.4
>
> The reason the masses aren't round numbers is that my program includes
> ablation, so while the simulated stones started off with nice round numbers
> like 100 g and 1 kg at altitude, the ablated masses are a fraction of the
> original.
>
> So where are these locations? The 120-gram mass ends up near Rhondda Drive,
> a couple hundred meters NW of Richmond Highway and Telegraph Rd. The 40-gram
> mass ends up on the north end of Ft. Belvoir. The simulated 15-grammer ends
> up on the Ft.
> Belvoir golf course. But 5-gram stones would be off the base to its north,
> north of John J. Kingman Rd. And 3-gram stones end up in the southwest
> corner of Huntley Meadows Park.
>
> Going in the other direction (heavier masses), the ~1.1 kilo simulated mass
> above ends up very close to I-95, a little west of Morris Ginsberg & Co.
> And the largest mass I ran crosses over to the other side of I-95 on
> Landfill Drive. ;-)
>
> If you connect all these dots, you should find quite a bit of searchable
> real estate.? My advice is on a map to draw a
> 45 degree angle southwest of the doctor's office for heavier stones, and a
> ~55-degree angle NE of the 308-g find for the lighter stuff (that's
> 55-degrees clockwise from north).
>
> I'll continue to search for better observations that can yield a more
> accurate entry angle.? We really need a good observer who had a side view of
> the event and can tell us what the slope was like relative to the horizon.
> --Rob ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>


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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:43:17 -0800
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Message-ID: <4B5CA2D5.8080300@meteoritesusa.com>

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From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 24 14:46:00 2010
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (meteoritefinder at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:46:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: First cut at wind-shifted,
	predicted impact coordinates
Message-ID: <337398.48111.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You're right about that, Mike.  Rob is a veritable genius at this, and his (and another personal friend and List member's ) unselfish  willingness to share their radar/etc. work is much appreciated! 

Sincerely,
Robert Woolard
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 24, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Mike wrote in part: 

Meteor wizard Rob Matson has taken a first crack at estimating a
strewnfield for the Lorton Meteorite.


Rob is the only person I know of who is qualified to do this type of
work and willing to share it with the meteorite community. Rob's work
has been instrumental in numerous meteorite discoveries and we all owe
him a debt of gratitude.



      


From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sun Jan 24 14:56:04 2010
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:56:04 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite words
Message-ID: <85DC820E72AF4D499177857BF2FA457D@laptop>

MeteoriteBlight  What the rust is called on 
                          your prized meteorite.

Pete



From paul at meteorite.com  Sun Jan 24 14:58:33 2010
From: paul at meteorite.com (Paul Harris)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:58:33 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: First cut at wind-shifted,
 predicted impact coordinates
In-Reply-To: <f0a794131001241037r71f2b243vdee75f8997702eb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMKEMJEAAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>	<7C640E28081AEE4B952F008D1E913F17029B0213@0461-its-exmb04.us.saic.com>	<f0a794131001211330r3c251532p19aeb789f8eb48f8@mail.gmail.com>	<7C640E28081AEE4B952F008D1E913F17029B0285@0461-its-exmb04.us.saic.com>	<f0a794131001211412v51391e8ep5953ec752145d943@mail.gmail.com>	<7C640E28081AEE4B952F008D1E913F17029B0792@0461-its-exmb04.us.saic.com>	<3bf23c361001221201i10a858c5s7fb583a4acb1ba4f@mail.gmail.com>	<7C640E28081AEE4B952F008D1E913F1701412665@0461-its-exmb04.us.saic.com>
	<f0a794131001241037r71f2b243vdee75f8997702eb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5CA669.9030604@meteorite.com>

Hi Mike,

Yes, Rob does amazing work and finds an incredible number of meteorites 
too.  So many in fact that I often wondered how he was able to transport 
them all home at the end of a hunt.  Then one day while Jim and I were 
out hunting I discovered the answer...

http://www.meteorite.com/rob.jpg

Jim and I are looking forward to seeing everyone soon at Tucson!
http://www.meteorite-times.com/tucson/

Paul




Mike Hankey wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Meteor wizard Rob Matson has taken a first crack at estimating a
> strewnfield for the Lorton Meteorite.
>
> I have plotted the points in Google Earth. You can see some maps and
> download the KMZ file here:
>
> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/astro-photos/lorton-meteorite-estimated-strewnfield-version-1/
>
> Its looking like the Fort Belvoir Golf Course could be prime hunting grounds.
>
> Rob is the only person I know of who is qualified to do this type of
> work and willing to share it with the meteorite community. Rob's work
> has been instrumental in numerous meteorite discoveries and we all owe
> him a debt of gratitude.
>
> Thanks Rob!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I've done some serious data-gathering and number-crunching
> today to come up with a hunting corridor for you. Here are
> my current best assumptions based on witness observations,
> images of the dust cloud, the impact location, and upper
> atmospheric radiosonde data for the balloon launched from
> Sterling, VA, about an hour after the fall:
>
> Entry angle: ~55-60 degrees from horizontal (i.e. steep)
> Flight direction:  Azimuth +191 (11 degrees west of south)
> Average wind velocity from 5-16 km altitude:  70 knots
> Average wind direction from 5-16 km altitude:  Az 90 (east)
>
> Using an example break-up altitude of 25 km at an initial
> velocity of 15 km/sec, the rotation of the strewn field
> relative to flight direction ends up being 40-50 deg clockwise,
> which is quite significant. Here are where masses of various
> sizes end up, both in Lat/Long and distance/bearing from the
> 308 g find:
>
>  Mass    Longitude  Latitude  Dist (mi) Bearing
> -------  ---------  --------  --------- -------
>   3 g    -77.12929  38.73888     5.2      59.3
>   5 g    -77.14419  38.73268     4.3      58.7
>  15 g    -77.16179  38.72688     3.2      56.0
>  40 g    -77.18079  38.71908     2.1      52.6
> 120 g    -77.19569  38.71088     1.1      50.6
> (308 g)  -77.21159  38.70068     -0-      N/A
> 1150 g   -77.22609  38.69048     1.1     228.0
> 3750 g   -77.24249  38.67848     2.3     227.4
>
> The reason the masses aren't round numbers is that my program
> includes ablation, so while the simulated stones started off
> with nice round numbers like 100 g and 1 kg at altitude, the
> ablated masses are a fraction of the original.
>
> So where are these locations? The 120-gram mass ends up near
> Rhondda Drive, a couple hundred meters NW of Richmond Highway
> and Telegraph Rd. The 40-gram mass ends up on the north end
> of Ft. Belvoir. The simulated 15-grammer ends up on the Ft.
> Belvoir golf course. But 5-gram stones would be off the base
> to its north, north of John J. Kingman Rd. And 3-gram stones
> end up in the southwest corner of Huntley Meadows Park.
>
> Going in the other direction (heavier masses), the ~1.1 kilo
> simulated mass above ends up very close to I-95, a little
> west of Morris Ginsberg & Co.  And the largest mass I ran
> crosses over to the other side of I-95 on Landfill Drive. ;-)
>
> If you connect all these dots, you should find quite a bit
> of searchable real estate.  My advice is on a map to draw a
> 45 degree angle southwest of the doctor's office for heavier
> stones, and a ~55-degree angle NE of the 308-g find for the
> lighter stuff (that's 55-degrees clockwise from north).
>
> I'll continue to search for better observations that can
> yield a more accurate entry angle.  We really need a good
> observer who had a side view of the event and can tell us
> what the slope was like relative to the horizon.  --Rob
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
>
>   




From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 24 14:59:24 2010
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (meteoritefinder at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:59:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Marc
Message-ID: <791771.66120.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes, Marc is also great with radar data and always willing to share his info.

 Robert Woolard




      


From damoclid at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 24 15:14:00 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:14:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: First cut at wind-shifted,
	predicted impact coordinates
In-Reply-To: <4B5CA669.9030604@meteorite.com>
Message-ID: <247602.97251.qm@web113617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Now that's really funny!
--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Paul Harris <paul at meteorite.com> wrote:

> From: Paul Harris <paul at meteorite.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: First cut at wind-shifted, predicted impact coordinates
> To: "Mike Hankey" <mike.hankey at gmail.com>
> Cc: "meteoritelist" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 12:58 PM
> Hi Mike,
> 
> Yes, Rob does amazing work and finds an incredible number
> of meteorites 
> too.? So many in fact that I often wondered how he was
> able to transport 
> them all home at the end of a hunt.? Then one day
> while Jim and I were 
> out hunting I discovered the answer...
> 
> http://www.meteorite.com/rob.jpg
> 
> Jim and I are looking forward to seeing everyone soon at
> Tucson!
> http://www.meteorite-times.com/tucson/
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mike Hankey wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Meteor wizard Rob Matson has taken a first crack at
> estimating a
> > strewnfield for the Lorton Meteorite.
> >
> > I have plotted the points in Google Earth. You can see
> some maps and
> > download the KMZ file here:
> >
> > http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/astro-photos/lorton-meteorite-estimated-strewnfield-version-1/
> >
> > Its looking like the Fort Belvoir Golf Course could be
> prime hunting grounds.
> >
> > Rob is the only person I know of who is qualified to
> do this type of
> > work and willing to share it with the meteorite
> community. Rob's work
> > has been instrumental in numerous meteorite
> discoveries and we all owe
> > him a debt of gratitude.
> >
> > Thanks Rob!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I've done some serious data-gathering and
> number-crunching
> > today to come up with a hunting corridor for you. Here
> are
> > my current best assumptions based on witness
> observations,
> > images of the dust cloud, the impact location, and
> upper
> > atmospheric radiosonde data for the balloon launched
> from
> > Sterling, VA, about an hour after the fall:
> >
> > Entry angle: ~55-60 degrees from horizontal (i.e.
> steep)
> > Flight direction:? Azimuth +191 (11 degrees west
> of south)
> > Average wind velocity from 5-16 km altitude:? 70
> knots
> > Average wind direction from 5-16 km altitude:? Az
> 90 (east)
> >
> > Using an example break-up altitude of 25 km at an
> initial
> > velocity of 15 km/sec, the rotation of the strewn
> field
> > relative to flight direction ends up being 40-50 deg
> clockwise,
> > which is quite significant. Here are where masses of
> various
> > sizes end up, both in Lat/Long and distance/bearing
> from the
> > 308 g find:
> >
> >? Mass? ? Longitude? Latitude?
> Dist (mi) Bearing
> > -------? ---------? --------? ---------
> -------
> >???3 g? ? -77.12929?
> 38.73888? ???5.2? ? ?
> 59.3
> >???5 g? ? -77.14419?
> 38.73268? ???4.3? ? ?
> 58.7
> >? 15 g? ? -77.16179? 38.72688?
> ???3.2? ? ? 56.0
> >? 40 g? ? -77.18079? 38.71908?
> ???2.1? ? ? 52.6
> > 120 g? ? -77.19569? 38.71088?
> ???1.1? ? ? 50.6
> > (308 g)? -77.21159? 38.70068?
> ???-0-? ? ? N/A
> > 1150 g???-77.22609? 38.69048?
> ???1.1? ???228.0
> > 3750 g???-77.24249? 38.67848?
> ???2.3? ???227.4
> >
> > The reason the masses aren't round numbers is that my
> program
> > includes ablation, so while the simulated stones
> started off
> > with nice round numbers like 100 g and 1 kg at
> altitude, the
> > ablated masses are a fraction of the original.
> >
> > So where are these locations? The 120-gram mass ends
> up near
> > Rhondda Drive, a couple hundred meters NW of Richmond
> Highway
> > and Telegraph Rd. The 40-gram mass ends up on the
> north end
> > of Ft. Belvoir. The simulated 15-grammer ends up on
> the Ft.
> > Belvoir golf course. But 5-gram stones would be off
> the base
> > to its north, north of John J. Kingman Rd. And 3-gram
> stones
> > end up in the southwest corner of Huntley Meadows
> Park.
> >
> > Going in the other direction (heavier masses), the
> ~1.1 kilo
> > simulated mass above ends up very close to I-95, a
> little
> > west of Morris Ginsberg & Co.? And the
> largest mass I ran
> > crosses over to the other side of I-95 on Landfill
> Drive. ;-)
> >
> > If you connect all these dots, you should find quite a
> bit
> > of searchable real estate.? My advice is on a map
> to draw a
> > 45 degree angle southwest of the doctor's office for
> heavier
> > stones, and a ~55-degree angle NE of the 308-g find
> for the
> > lighter stuff (that's 55-degrees clockwise from
> north).
> >
> > I'll continue to search for better observations that
> can
> > yield a more accurate entry angle.? We really
> need a good
> > observer who had a side view of the event and can tell
> us
> > what the slope was like relative to the horizon.?
> --Rob
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From pshugar at clearwire.net  Sun Jan 24 15:30:35 2010
From: pshugar at clearwire.net (Pete Shugar)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:30:35 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] more Meteorite words
Message-ID: <F7454A4914BA483D8C28695826F82D95@laptop>

Hemaroid---What you get if you eat
a piece of the meteorite that you found.


From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 24 15:28:57 2010
From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:28:57 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some Meteorite Words
Message-ID: <B0D2547631464FFAA6E9709C0485A5DF@ET>

Meteoriophage = Meteor Eater!   One who eats meteorites,  particularly 
lunars and Martians.  Connoisseurly  consumer of outer space roughage.   A 
source of ancient meteoroprolites.

Phil Whitmer


 



From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan 24 15:53:18 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:53:18 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <16409843.1264359496390.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20100124205318.DODG4.93012.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Chindrool....what we all get when we see a spectacular type 3?

Fusion lust....gotta have that oriented one with those luscious roll over lips!

Fireballs...that warm feeling in your loins when you find your first meteorite!

Acondroit...a french meteorwrong? (think about it)

Techtight...a resulting term I use in my online banking after a large meteorite hits my collection.


Graham, UK

---- countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote: 
> How about these?
> 
> METEOROSIS ....A mental disorder presenting as an obsessive and compulsive desire to find and possess meteorites.    
> 
> METEORITIS.....Inflammation of the soft tissue of the dominant limb and/or spine used in the collection of meteorites.     
> 
> METEOROPATHY...Debilitating and chronic disease caused by contact with meteorites.
> 
> METEOROLOGIST..An individual whose doctoral discipline is the study and treatment of disease caused by the obsession with and/or contact with meteorites.
> 
> METEORCIDE.....The intentional,or unintentional,taking of a life with the use of a meteorite.
> 
> Per esempio: 
> 
> a. Struck by an arriving meteor. 
> b. Bashed by a meteorite wielded by a third party. 
> c. Jumping into deep water with whilst attached to a sack full of Campos, or better yet, Nantans.             
> 
> With tongue in cheek and "On to Tucson!
> 
> Count Deiro
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
> >Sent: Jan 24, 2010 12:07 PM
> >To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
> >
> >MeteorBidder - Someone who seeks great deals at meteorite auctions.
> >
> >"Meteor-Meteor" - What a Tucson Show attendee repeatedly mumbles while going 
> >room to room in search of the perfect meteorite.
> >
> >MeteorFinder - One lucky person!
> >
> >MeteorBroke - Someone who does not have enough money for a meteorite.
> >
> >MeteoriteBroker - Someone who still does not have the cash so uses credit 
> >cards to buy meteorites.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Greg
> >
> >====================
> >Greg Hupe
> >The Hupe Collection
> >NaturesVault (eBay)
> >gmhupe at htn.net
> >www.LunarRock.com
> >IMCA 3163
> >====================
> >Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
> >http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "al mitt" <almitt at kconline.com>
> >To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:31 AM
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
> >
> >
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> Leaverite:  leaverite there it ain't a meteorite
> >>
> >> --AL
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 24 15:59:07 2010
From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:59:07 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some Meteorite Words
Message-ID: <DD7E54445BD541B49D38CF6E9401558E@ET>

Speaking of  type 3s, check out the blue chondrules on this one:

 http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-NWA-XXXX-Gorgeous-NEW-TYPE-3_W0QQitemZ250565393808QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a56dc7d90Phil Whitmer--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Chindrool....what we all get when we see a spectacular type 3?Fusion lust....gotta have that oriented one with those luscious roll overlips!Fireballs...that warm feeling in your loins when you find your firstmeteorite!Acondroit...a french meteorwrong? (think about it)Techtight...a resulting term I use in my online banking after a largemeteorite hits my collection.Graham, UK


From altmann at meteorite-martin.de  Sun Jan 24 16:01:49 2010
From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de (Martin Altmann)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:01:49 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some Meteorite Words
In-Reply-To: <B0D2547631464FFAA6E9709C0485A5DF@ET>
References: <B0D2547631464FFAA6E9709C0485A5DF@ET>
Message-ID: <002201ca9d38$73b98d30$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Meteorrhoea        = meteor shower

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
JoshuaTreeMuseum
Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Januar 2010 21:29
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Some Meteorite Words

Meteoriophage = Meteor Eater!   One who eats meteorites,  particularly 
lunars and Martians.  Connoisseurly  consumer of outer space roughage.   A 
source of ancient meteoroprolites.

Phil Whitmer


 

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From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 24 16:06:42 2010
From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:06:42 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some Meteorite Words
Message-ID: <F4068D50260049409880BAF4B93BB30D@ET>

Meteorwhore:  A person (male or female), of loose morality who will do 
anything for a small vial of moon rocks.

Phil Whitmer 



From mojave_meteorites at cox.net  Sun Jan 24 16:28:02 2010
From: mojave_meteorites at cox.net (Rob Matson)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:28:02 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Marc Fries, Doppler, the Lorton fall,
	and Meteorite Men
In-Reply-To: <f0a794131001241132x30da6f6w1fbbed61da55a4ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <GOEDJOCBMMEHLEFDHGMMEEOEEAAA.mojave_meteorites@cox.net>

Hi All,

I'd like to echo and expand on the comment by the List member
who contacted Mike Hankey:

"Marc Fries was the first to use this strategy and has been as
willing as anyone else to share his information within the meteorite
community."

Marc (and his brother) were doing NEXRAD Doppler analysis/interpretation
well before I was, and much of what I've learned came directly through
my e-mail exchanges with him. We are not competitors; we are friends
who have shared theories on at least a half-dozen events for which
radar may (or may not) have been recorded, both for recovered falls
and yet-to-be-recovered ones. Indeed, we expect to co-author a paper
later this year on the use of the WSR-88D (NEXRAD Doppler) network to
assist in the recovery of meteorites from new falls (as well as old
ones).

Mike is quite right that if Marc wasn't currently collecting toaster-
sized meteorites in Antarctica, he would be hard at work on the Lorton
fall as well. Marc's expertise covers not only analysis of Doppler
signals, but also the use of upper atmospheric (radiosonde) wind data
to improve the predictions of meteorite impact points. Marc and I
independently developed wind drift models for transforming bolide
trajectories into simulated strewnfields, and I for one wish he *was*
around to run his model so that we could compare predictions and
add a little confidence to the modeling results.

I got a great laugh from Paul Harris's post about my "supposed"
prowess at finding meteorites, and his discovery of my "secret"
for getting them all home! To really appreciate the tongue-in-
cheek humor, you would need to see the sum total of my finds over
the last decade: a tremendous volume that I'm pretty sure could
safely be carried in a single, paper grocery store bag without
ripping.  ;-)  For comparison, it wouldn't surprise me if 90% of
Steve Arnold's finds in Brenham individually outweigh my entire
discovery collection!

Speaking of Steve, I finally got to watch Steve and Geoff's
Meteorite Men pilot which I DVR'd while I was in Hawaii earlier
this month. What a fun show! A great combination of treasure
hunting, humor, science, intrigue and even guest characters
that we all know. If the series is anything like the pilot (and
I suspect it will be even better), I think the Discovery Science
channel will have quite a hit on its hands. Congrats Geoff and
Steve!

Cheers,
Rob



From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 24 16:34:08 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:34:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some Meteorite Words
Message-ID: <27939846.1264368849057.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

METEOROSTITUTE....A denizen of the State of Nevada who legally trades sex for meteorites. Usual habitat is a double wide trailer parked in close proximity to a dry lake or known strewnfield. See also..METEORWHORE..

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Jan 24, 2010 4:06 PM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Some Meteorite Words
>
>Meteorwhore:  A person (male or female), of loose morality who will do 
>anything for a small vial of moon rocks.
>
>Phil Whitmer 
>
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From stanleygregr at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 24 17:04:18 2010
From: stanleygregr at hotmail.com (Greg Stanley)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:04:18 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] A mystery in the making
Message-ID: <SNT117-W584A20F6F7168145FB29DFD2600@phx.gbl>


All:

I thought this interesting.

Greg S.


http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/vernonmorningstar/opinion/letters/82457857.html


A mystery in the making


Published: January 23, 2010 12:00 PM

On the morning of Dec. 23, we looked out the window at our frozen pond and saw a gaping hole right in the middle. There were absolutely no tracks in the snow and the ice is 10-inches thick.

The pond is 80-feet wide and 120-feet long and nobody could possible have thrown anything into the middle and break 10 inches of ice. And no tracks.

We didn't take any photos that morning as we were leaving for Fernie to be with our family for Christmas.

But the whole time we were away, we kept pondering what could have made that hole?

As soon as we returned from Fernie ? five days later, we took some photos and we are still none the wiser. Could it have been a meteorite?

Did anybody see a flash or ball of fire early on the morning of Dec. 23 over Bluenose Mountain in Lavington?

Anybody have any ideas?

Molly and Sandy Boyd
 		 	   		  
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From joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 24 17:13:18 2010
From: joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com (JoshuaTreeMuseum)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:13:18 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A mystery in the making
Message-ID: <D00370FEA8534E84A4DE1157D15BC13C@ET>

Greg,

It's a natural phenomenon:

http://farshores.org/n8met3.htm

------------------------------------------------------------


All:

I thought this interesting.

Greg S.


http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/vernonmorningstar/opinion/letters/82457857.html 



From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan 24 17:28:51 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:28:51 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <16409843.1264359496390.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20100124222851.RS6JF.95556.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

MeteorWong....Mekong iron?

IDP....what Hopper the dog uses to make sure he knows which are his and which are Ruben's meteorites!

Katie Boundry....that long thin dark dancer who was first discovered down the Chicks Club!

Neumann Band....bright new group with a good line in heavy metal...used to play for Katie above.

SillyKate Inclusion...when she later joined the heavy metal group as a permanent member. Unfortunately she didn't always show up!

Perhaps I'd better stop now or nobody will talk to me in Tucson!

Graham, UK


From gmhupe at htn.net  Sun Jan 24 17:40:03 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:40:03 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <20100124222851.RS6JF.95556.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <618A9478A8F0449BA27FF5100A7D5751@Gregor>

Hey Graham,

Those are great! What night is the "Neumann Band" playing. Thinking of 
fusion crust, is there a 'cover' charge? :-)

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>; 
<countdeiro at earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> MeteorWong....Mekong iron?
>
> IDP....what Hopper the dog uses to make sure he knows which are his and 
> which are Ruben's meteorites!
>
> Katie Boundry....that long thin dark dancer who was first discovered down 
> the Chicks Club!
>
> Neumann Band....bright new group with a good line in heavy metal...used to 
> play for Katie above.
>
> SillyKate Inclusion...when she later joined the heavy metal group as a 
> permanent member. Unfortunately she didn't always show up!
>
> Perhaps I'd better stop now or nobody will talk to me in Tucson!
>
> Graham, UK
> 




From holmesw at frontiernet.net  Sun Jan 24 18:08:53 2010
From: holmesw at frontiernet.net (Wayne Holmes)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:08:53 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Test
Message-ID: <002901ca9d4a$337d2260$0200a8c0@Buckaroos>

Test


From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Sun Jan 24 18:50:37 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:50:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <20100124222851.RS6JF.95556.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <20100124222851.RS6JF.95556.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <b00a5192401771b1d11f82542f60d806.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>

As they used to say:

We will ride you out of town on a rail (an old tradition).

Larry





> MeteorWong....Mekong iron?
>
> IDP....what Hopper the dog uses to make sure he knows which are his and
> which are Ruben's meteorites!
>
> Katie Boundry....that long thin dark dancer who was first discovered down
> the Chicks Club!
>
> Neumann Band....bright new group with a good line in heavy metal...used to
> play for Katie above.
>
> SillyKate Inclusion...when she later joined the heavy metal group as a
> permanent member. Unfortunately she didn't always show up!
>
> Perhaps I'd better stop now or nobody will talk to me in Tucson!
>
> Graham, UK
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From fuzzfoot at comcast.net  Sun Jan 24 18:54:03 2010
From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net (Mike Bandli)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:54:03 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Need a Contact at GSI (Calcutta)
Message-ID: <1085F3249A0F42EEB5A3024A66FCCB02@Bandli1>

Dear List:

I am looking for a good contact at the Geological Survey of India,
Department of Meteoritics - Preferably a curator there. I am writing a paper
on an historic Indian meteorite that requires further research. I tried
wading through the GSI website, but had trouble finding a contact. If you
have a contact, please email me privately. Thank you!

-----------------------------------
Mike Bandli
Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
IMCA?#5765
-----------------------------------------------




From stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 24 19:20:01 2010
From: stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com (steve arnold)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:20:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) HAMMER STONE PULTUSK FOR TRADE
Message-ID: <534492.885.qm@web57808.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi list.I have a 72 gram full slice of pultusk for trade if interested.Nice big sikhote-alins or nice big gao's please.Off list please.It comes with a ident card as well.
?Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! chicagometeorites.net/ 


From riffraff at timewarp.de  Sun Jan 24 19:39:59 2010
From: riffraff at timewarp.de (Norbert Classen)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:39:59 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list]  Some meteorite words
Message-ID: <1A65DB4E4A6740549949B73DDF181A43@lunatic>

Greg wrote:

> Don't forget Norbert is a self proclaimed "Lunatic" (a good thing!) :-)
> Greg

I'm actually trying to do my best ;-) And I'm also trying to keep up with my
Mars-Mania...

What makes me wonder why noone came up with Meteor-Mania - a common and
highly contagious disease among collectors that proved to be
therapy-resistant so far.

All the best,
Norbert

www.meteoris.de 



From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 19:18:56 2010
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (meteoritefinder at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:18:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January
	23, 2010
Message-ID: <35277.51745.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Michael B and Michael J,

Great photos.

 Michael B, I got to see and hold that piece in my hands at West.  The owner said he was NOT going to sell it for ANY price!   Looks like he changed his mind. ;-). Congrats on adding that fantastic hammer to your collection.


And Michael J, thanks again for making these great pics available for us all.

Best wishes,
Robert Woolard  

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 23, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Michael Johnson <michael at rocksfromspace.org> wrote:

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_23_2010.html

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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan 24 21:03:12 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 2:03:12 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <b00a5192401771b1d11f82542f60d806.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <20100125020312.4CKND.96170.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi All,

A Tucson question.

Several mineral/gem dealers in Tucson only sell to the trade I have noticed on other visits.

Can anyone advise on what trade documentation you need to show in order to purchase from them.

Cheers,

Graham, UK


From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan 24 21:07:04 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 2:07:04 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Tucson Question.....reposted with relavent
	heading..sorry
Message-ID: <20100125020704.IAPRF.96174.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>


Hi All, 
 
A Tucson question. 
 
Several mineral/gem dealers in Tucson only sell to the trade I have noticed on 
other visits. 
 
Can anyone advise on what trade documentation you need to show in order to 
purchase from them. 
 
Cheers, 
 
Graham, UK 



From John at Cabassi.net  Sun Jan 24 21:07:44 2010
From: John at Cabassi.net (John.L.Cabassi)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:07:44 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <20100125020312.4CKND.96170.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <000101ca9d63$2fa05400$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2>

G'Day Graham
A side arm would help =)

Cheers
John

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Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


Hi All,

A Tucson question.

Several mineral/gem dealers in Tucson only sell to the trade I have
noticed on other visits.

Can anyone advise on what trade documentation you need to show in order
to purchase from them.

Cheers,

Graham, UK
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From mlblood at cox.net  Sun Jan 24 21:36:16 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:36:16 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] D'Orbigny and Hammer Stones Super  SALE Ad
In-Reply-To: <000101ca9d63$2fa05400$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2>
Message-ID: <C78243A0.B06A%mlblood@cox.net>

Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts,
This is my first SALE since my computer crashed last February.

I have some TERRIFIC specimens today ? some marked down so low no one who
wants some of the material will be able to pass it up. SALE prices range
from 25% to 65% off depending on my cost and whether it can be replaced at
any price -   combined with an urgent need for immediate cash.

NOTE: PHENOMENAL DEAL ON D'ORBIGNY!

All hammer specimens are from  the Hammer Stone, itself, not just
The hammer fall.

I must raise money immediately, so, if you want something you would
otherwise pass on, you can even make me an offer. Though I have set prices
so LOW already, if no one buys a particular item before Tuesday, I will
consider offers tendered.

        First to contact me will get the specimen, so, if you have 2 of the
same type, please mention first preference as well as others you would take,
if any. 
 
THOSE WHO MUST COPY/PASTE ? All photos can be
seen at: http://news.webshots.com/album/576346410QQIRJq

All others ? click on individual photo listings below for largest photos:
 
SYLACAUGA ? the most significant hammer stone, having been well documented
as striking poor Hulitt Hodges, March 30th, 1954. These are very small frags
from the core cut from the Hammer stone granted to The King Collection.
        Now mounted in 4.25 X 5.25 inch Riker Box with
Photo of  Mrs. Hodges being examined by a Dr.
        Only a few of these small frags left = $150 ?   40% off SALE = $90-
PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sylacauga5X4.jpg
 
 
D?ORBIGNY ? (ANGRITE) Buenos Ares, Argentina, 1979.
One of the rarest and costly meteorites and not often available, especially
in sizes over 1 /4 gram. Here: 2.1g Superb specimen ? Fusion Crusted on one
side = $2,100 ? 65% off SALE = 735-
PHOTOS:
#1  http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/DOrbignyBknSd2.jpg
#2  http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/DOrbignyFCSide2.jpg
 
BOVEDY April 25, 1969   (L3)  Londonderry, N. Ireland Crashed through a
STORE ROOF.
The fireball was mostly described as blue-green in colour over Wales, and
"fiery-white" in Northern Ireland, with a brightness equal to or brighter
than the full moon. Everyone who saw the meteoroid also saw a very clear
tail in its wake. Fragmentation was clearly seen by a number of observers.
Subsequent press reports of scorching of the asbestos roof and desks in the
immediate vicinity of the meteorite fragments have been discounted, from
the evidence collected.
This being a hammer with a very low TKW, a beautiful(L3) AND only the
Second meteorite from Ireland and the first fall ever wound recorded has
made it VERY difficult to get:
 
Catalog PRICE: $1,000/g ? SALE ? over 40% off
 
2.678g Extremely thinly cut (with wire saw) slice, which results in an
extremely large surface to weight ratio,
with edge of Black Fusion Crust = $2,500- SALE $1,500
PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Bovedy2_678g.jpg
 
3.375g - another Extremely thinly cut (with wire saw) slice, which results
in an extremely large surface to weight ratio, with edge of Black Fusion
Crust 
= $3,250-SALE = $2,000-
PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Bovedy3_375g.jpg
 
 

ASH CREEK HAMMER STONE ? Hit HOUSE
When the meteorite fell, a man sitting at his kitchen table heard something
strike his roof. He thought it was a small tree limb. However, when he went
out to his car, there was a black stone, which upon closer examination was
engrained with shingle grit from his roof. He later found the damaged
shingle on the roof and had to replace it.

PHOTO OF WHOLE STONE & SHINGLE:

STONE: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Conglomerate.jpg

SHINGLE: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AshCreekRoofTyleW.jpg

Specimens are only 1.2mm thinly sliced (dry - with wire saw) Full and Part
slices of the 124g House Hammer Stone with black Fusion Crusted edges.
These show the profound veined matrix some with large metal bleebs.
The material is very strong.

Each comes with copy of signed & notarized COA. The photos speak for
themselves: 

(NOTE: This will be the only sale on this material. After this,
the prices will remain firm and go up from there as stock declines)

1.180g Part Slice with Fusion Crust on small edge =$295-SALE = $235-

PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ACPtSL1_180g.jpg

 

1.255g Part Slice with Fusion Crust on 2 edges = $325- SALE = $250-

PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ACPtSL1_255g.jpg

 

2.496g Half Slice - Fusion Crusted natural edge =$625-SALE = $500-

PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ACHalf2_496g.jpg

 
2.826g Part Slice with 60% Fusion Crusted edge =$700- SALE = $565-

PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ACPtSl2_826MgrFC.jpg

 
3.430g Half Slice - Fusion Crusted on natural edge =$850-SALE = $685-

PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ACHalf3_430g.jpg

 
6.508g Full Slice - 100% Fusion Crusted edge =$1,300-SALE = $975-

PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ACFullSL6_508g.jpg

 
6.645g Full Slice - 99% Fusion Crusted edge =$1,325- SALE = $1,000-

PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ACFULL6_645g.jpg

 
6.683g Full Slice - 99.5% Fusion Crusted edge =$1,335-SALE = $1,000-

PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ACFULL6_683g.jpg

 
16.204g End Piece with original notarized COA & the roof tile = $7,500-
PHOTOS: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ACEndPcFC.jpg

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ACEndPcFace16_204.jpg

 
WORDEN September1, 1997 (L5) Worden, Michigan -
Struck a GARAGE & CAR
Mr. Foster and his two sons were working in the backyard of their home in
Worden, located in Eastern Michigan. They heard a loud and sudden noise like
that of a car crash. They rushed to their front yard and discovered a
disaster had occurred in their own garage. Plaster and insulation could be
seen everywhere & day light shone through a hole in the roof. The car roof
had been smashed in by a stone from outer space.
See Photos Here: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/WarCarW.jpg
And Here: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/WorRHoleW.jpg
 
SALE = -33% (this will be the only sale on this material)
 
.371g 1.2mm Super thin Pt Slice with FC edge = $375- SALE = $250-
PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Worden_371g.jpg
 
.843g 1.2mm Super thin Pt Slice = $845- SALE = $565-
PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Worden_843g.jpg
         
1.870g 1.2mm Super thin Pt Slice with FC = $1,875- SALE = $1,250-
PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Worden1_870g.jpg
 
3.981g 1.2mm Super thin Pt Slice sith FC = $4,000- SALE = $2,675-
PHOTO: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Worden3_981g.jpg
 
 








From arizonakeith at cox.net  Mon Jan 25 00:01:14 2010
From: arizonakeith at cox.net (Arizona Keith)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:01:14 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Few Tucson photos
Message-ID: <854806E3D69D489595700D4A72C5BDF4@Keith2>

Hello List

I've taken a few photos at the start of the Tucson Show helping Mike Farmer 
set up.

I hope this links works, first time using it, post back if you can't see 
them.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46923697 at N06/4302905344/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46923697 at N06/4302905448/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46923697 at N06/4302878706/

Just a few to start off.
The Show has started!
My best all.

Keith V
Chandler AZ 



From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 25 00:05:13 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:05:13 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <000101ca9d63$2fa05400$a166fea9@anitak9bz49jy2>
Message-ID: <A96A5F748D6C41B1B31D62303B8F5256@ATARIENGINE2>

Or one of those neat Indiana Jones
bullwhips, maybe?

And the hat...


Sterling K. Webb
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
To: <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> G'Day Graham
> A side arm would help =)
>
> Cheers
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
> ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:03 PM
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> A Tucson question.
>
> Several mineral/gem dealers in Tucson only sell to the trade I have
> noticed on other visits.
>
> Can anyone advise on what trade documentation you need to show in 
> order
> to purchase from them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Graham, UK
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From mlblood at cox.net  Mon Jan 25 00:14:19 2010
From: mlblood at cox.net (Michael Blood)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:14:19 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Tucson Question.
In-Reply-To: <20100125020704.IAPRF.96174.root@web02-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <C78268AB.B079%mlblood@cox.net>

Hi Graham,
        If you are in the US, most states charge sales tax and,
Therefore have a "resale permit" that dealers carry around.
(One exception I KNOW of is Oregon).
        In any event, everyone who REQUIRES wholesale buyers
ONLY have forms for you to fill out. (If not, tell them you are
>From the UK and the UK does not have resale permits or licenses
And THEY should have a form for you to fill out).
        Best wishes, Michael


On 1/24/10 6:07 PM, "ensoramanda at ntlworld.com" <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
wrote:

> 
> Hi All, 
>  
> A Tucson question.
>  
> Several mineral/gem dealers in Tucson only sell to the trade I have noticed on
> other visits. 
>  
> Can anyone advise on what trade documentation you need to show in order to
> purchase from them.
>  
> Cheers, 
>  
> Graham, UK 
> 
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From arizonakeith at cox.net  Mon Jan 25 00:45:24 2010
From: arizonakeith at cox.net (Arizona Keith)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:45:24 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Few more photo's
Message-ID: <A0891F05EE0F4782A93EA31A3C81FAE8@Keith2>

Hello List

Here are 3 more photos taken today.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46923697 at N06/4303084056/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46923697 at N06/4303057934/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46923697 at N06/4302339947/

If you like them, please comment on them and I'll post more later on this 
week.

Keith
Chandler AZ 



From info at meteorites.com.au  Mon Jan 25 02:08:26 2010
From: info at meteorites.com.au (Jeff Kuyken)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:08:26 +1100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: First cut at wind-shifted,
	predicted impact coordinates
In-Reply-To: <337398.48111.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <337398.48111.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4FF31C9D7C0F494CA39A67119A37C196@JeffPC>

Absolutely! I can't wait till the next Aussie meteor is captured on film. If 
Rob can't track it down... no one can! ;-)

Cheers,

Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <meteoritefinder at yahoo.com>
To: "Mike Hankey" <mike.hankey at gmail.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: First cut at wind-shifted,predicted 
impact coordinates


> You're right about that, Mike.  Rob is a veritable genius at this, and his 
> (and another personal friend and List member's ) unselfish  willingness to 
> share their radar/etc. work is much appreciated!
>
> Sincerely,
> Robert Woolard
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 24, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Mike wrote in part:
>
> Meteor wizard Rob Matson has taken a first crack at estimating a
> strewnfield for the Lorton Meteorite.
>
>
> Rob is the only person I know of who is qualified to do this type of
> work and willing to share it with the meteorite community. Rob's work
> has been instrumental in numerous meteorite discoveries and we all owe
> him a debt of gratitude.
>
>
>
>
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From damoclid at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 02:35:26 2010
From: damoclid at yahoo.com (Richard Kowalski)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:35:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Additional GPS files for Tucson visitors
Message-ID: <553629.66087.qm@web113610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

For those of you who'll be joining the rest of us in Tucson starting this week, and use GPS navigation units when traveling, I have created a few other POI files that may be of interest.

The first is called "Optical Valley - Tucson Arizona"

I probably don't have to remind the members of this list that Tucson is the World Capital of Astronomy. In addition to Kitt Peak, we also have Mt. Lemmon, where I work, Mt. Hopkins, were the MMT is located and Mt. Graham, where the Large Binocular Telescope is located. This file can also be used as a tour guide.

You can read more details about this and the locations the file contains at:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/17651


Tucson is also home of Saguaro National Park, the only National Park so close to a major population center.

For those who need to get out for some fresh air, Saguaro has over 165 miles of hiking trails that range from easy, level one to others that rise thousands of feet into the mountains.

The file, located at:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/17355

has the location of both visitor centers, east and west, all of the trail heads, and a number of other points of interest within the park's two units.

Enjoy your trip to Tucson.

--
Richard Kowalski
http://fullmoonphotography.net
IMCA #1081


      


From magellon.ken at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 04:35:10 2010
From: magellon.ken at gmail.com (Ken Newton)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:35:10 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A mystery in the making
In-Reply-To: <D00370FEA8534E84A4DE1157D15BC13C@ET>
References: <D00370FEA8534E84A4DE1157D15BC13C@ET>
Message-ID: <c626e3e81001250135q41b907bekb8015dcb1cc64cb2@mail.gmail.com>

There was a follow up to the 2008 pond story:
http://meteorite-identification.com/mwnews/01202008.html
and
Gary Foote's 2007 pond adventure:
http://meteorite-identification.com/mwnews/02212007.html
http://www.webbers.com/meteorites/nhmet.html

I agree that this seems to be a natural occurrence.
Best,
Ken Newton



On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:13 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum
<joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> Greg,
>
> It's a natural phenomenon:
>
> http://farshores.org/n8met3.htm
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> All:
>
> I thought this interesting.
>
> Greg S.
>
>
> http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/vernonmorningstar/opinion/letters/82457857.html
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan 25 06:34:59 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:34:59 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <A96A5F748D6C41B1B31D62303B8F5256@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <20100125113459.TSW5W.101323.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Looks like you'll all be recognizing me this time then as I walk round the show!!!!

Cheers,

Graham

---- "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
> Or one of those neat Indiana Jones
> bullwhips, maybe?
> 
> And the hat...
> 
> 
> Sterling K. Webb
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
> To: <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
> 
> 
> > G'Day Graham
> > A side arm would help =)
> >
> > Cheers
> > John
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
> > ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:03 PM
> > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > A Tucson question.
> >
> > Several mineral/gem dealers in Tucson only sell to the trade I have
> > noticed on other visits.
> >
> > Can anyone advise on what trade documentation you need to show in 
> > order
> > to purchase from them.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Graham, UK
> > ______________________________________________
> > Visit the Archives at
> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >
> > ______________________________________________
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> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 
> 



From lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu  Mon Jan 25 06:53:22 2010
From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu (lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:53:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <20100125113459.TSW5W.101323.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <20100125113459.TSW5W.101323.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <ed9d3e658c9cbd930c3615cfb888c9d1.squirrel@webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Graham:

Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could walk around the
show with a sidearm or a bullwhip.

Larry

> Looks like you'll all be recognizing me this time then as I walk round the
> show!!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Graham
>
> ---- "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Or one of those neat Indiana Jones
>> bullwhips, maybe?
>>
>> And the hat...
>>
>>
>> Sterling K. Webb
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John.L.Cabassi" <John at Cabassi.net>
>> To: <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
>> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>>
>>
>> > G'Day Graham
>> > A side arm would help =)
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > John
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>> > ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:03 PM
>> > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > A Tucson question.
>> >
>> > Several mineral/gem dealers in Tucson only sell to the trade I have
>> > noticed on other visits.
>> >
>> > Can anyone advise on what trade documentation you need to show in
>> > order
>> > to purchase from them.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Graham, UK
>> > ______________________________________________
>> > Visit the Archives at
>> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> > Meteorite-list mailing list
>> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> >
>> > ______________________________________________
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>> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>
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From meteoritics at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 07:36:44 2010
From: meteoritics at gmail.com (Bill Hall)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:36:44 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone have Marvin Kilgores e-mail or phone #
	please
Message-ID: <883a36d31001250436r7ac15a5bg45b89b29aa03c6df@mail.gmail.com>

Please help me get in touch with Marvin,

Thanks Bill Hall


From meteoriteplaya at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 08:16:43 2010
From: meteoriteplaya at gmail.com (Mike Jensen)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:16:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Headed to Tucson (Ad)
Message-ID: <6f9da8301001250516q5216496dxa530c88eee1bb4a5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All
I'm headed to Tucson today and will arrive on Wednesday. Hope to see
everyone there. I'll be in Room 265-266 of the "old" Inn Suites; Dave
Bunk Minerals. Look me up there everyday from 10 - 6.

I will have a few meteorites with me, mostly irons but a large
selection of LDG. Prices will range from 25 to 50 cents per gram.
My cell is 303-946-1495.

-- 
Mike
--
Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


From info at mcomemeteorite.it  Mon Jan 25 08:38:48 2010
From: info at mcomemeteorite.it (M come Meteorite Meteorites)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:38:48 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone have Marvin Kilgores e-mail or phone #
	please
Message-ID: <4b5d9ee8.37e.395f.731230410@webmaildh3.ad.aruba.it>

I need the same seen he not have give to me back the
meteorites I have sent to analyzed in Arizona University and
its pass years and years without any answer. Shame!

Matteo

----- Original Message -----
Da : Bill Hall <meteoritics at gmail.com>
A : meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Anyone have Marvin Kilgores
e-mail or phone # please
Data : Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:36:44 -0800

> Please help me get in touch with Marvin,
> 
> Thanks Bill Hall
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan 25 08:39:32 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:39:32 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scanning meteorites to help mars mission?
In-Reply-To: <20100124205318.DODG4.93012.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <20100125133932.0712G.106008.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi All,

Has anyone seen this article...

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/4852991.Mars_probe_scientists_in_York_to_exa/

An interesting thing to do but I cannot see how that will help identify meteorites on Mars. As we all know, the atmosphere is much thinner so that fresh meteorites would not be ablated in the same way and older ones that have been found are well weathered/changed by wind blown sand etc.

Anyone else make sense of this?

Graham, Nr Barwell UK


From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 25 09:08:53 2010
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:08:53 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Message-ID: <COL108-W2372207CCDE26F6925CDA29B5F0@phx.gbl>


Hi,

Well, it's time to close this thread. Thanks to all. One of my favorite was Graham's MeteorWong, though for a different reason. :D Here's my last one. It's pretty dumb and you can see why it didn't make my first post.

Meteorzilla: A big monster asteroid. 

Carl, Meteortyke.


 		 	   		  
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From fujmon at mac.com  Mon Jan 25 10:14:20 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:14:20 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scanning meteorites to help mars mission?
In-Reply-To: <20100125133932.0712G.106008.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <20100125133932.0712G.106008.root@web04-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <AB4540EF-E1D7-4FC0-8B5C-1094B6C2E6DF@mac.com>

No Graham, but its a pretty darn good excuse to play with that gorgeous oriented nosecone as pictured in the article (if that is indeed the Middlesborough meteorite and not just a file photo)  ;^)

gary

On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:39 AM, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Has anyone seen this article...
> 
> http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/4852991.Mars_probe_scientists_in_York_to_exa/
> 
> An interesting thing to do but I cannot see how that will help identify meteorites on Mars. As we all know, the atmosphere is much thinner so that fresh meteorites would not be ablated in the same way and older ones that have been found are well weathered/changed by wind blown sand etc.
> 
> Anyone else make sense of this?
> 
> Graham, Nr Barwell UK
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

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http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
(808) 640-9161







From valparint at aol.com  Mon Jan 25 10:48:23 2010
From: valparint at aol.com (valparint at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:48:23 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Message-ID: <CB64F3B24067486797C3554CE5CEFE12@vpoffsiteweb.local>

No worries, Graham.

You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can carry it in the open.

Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society is a polite society. 

Paul Swartz


>Hi Graham:
>
>Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could walk around the
>show with a sidearm or a bullwhip.
>
>Larry
>
> Looks like you'll all be recognizing me this time then as I walk round the
> show!!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Graham


From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Jan 25 11:01:49 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:01:49 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <CB64F3B24067486797C3554CE5CEFE12@vpoffsiteweb.local>
References: <CB64F3B24067486797C3554CE5CEFE12@vpoffsiteweb.local>
Message-ID: <d0grl5hi8k7nluh3kgfbp0gb2utu27f3ko@4ax.com>

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:48:23 -0700, you wrote:

>Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society is a polite society. 
>

Yes, the ideal society is one in which everyone walks on eggshells, in fear of
causing the least offense to anyone in hopes to avoid being murdered on the
street.


From arizonakeith at cox.net  Mon Jan 25 10:58:46 2010
From: arizonakeith at cox.net (Arizona Keith)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:58:46 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite word "Shrapnel"
Message-ID: <1EF69CC72019483D99A0BAF58238F25E@Keith2>

Hello List

I told some people at the Tucson Show this weekend, the root origin the word
Shrapnel, some didn't believe me so I'm post this.

Fragments from exploding air busting artillery shell is call shrapnel, this
is name after English artillery Lieutenant General Henry Shrapnel who
invented the antipersonnel projectile first used 1784, and adopted by the
British army in 1803.
Shrapnel projectiles contained small metal shot with a explosive charge to
scatter the shot as well as the shell casing, he improved it this many
times, it was called the shrapnel effect.
I found some interesting links.

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blshrapnel.htm

http://www.shrapnell.co.uk/page11.html

Thanks for your time.
More photos coming.

Keith V
Chandler Az.



From arizonakeith at cox.net  Mon Jan 25 10:58:46 2010
From: arizonakeith at cox.net (Arizona Keith)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:58:46 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite word "Shrapnel"
Message-ID: <57D2756EC451477B8A650C37161322E3@Keith2>

Hello List

I told some people at the Tucson Show this weekend, the root origin the word
Shrapnel, some didn't believe me so I'm post this.

Fragments from exploding air busting artillery shell is call shrapnel, this
is name after English artillery Lieutenant General Henry Shrapnel who
invented the antipersonnel projectile first used 1784, and adopted by the
British army in 1803.
Shrapnel projectiles contained small metal shot with a explosive charge to
scatter the shot as well as the shell casing, he improved it this many
times, it was called the shrapnel effect.
I found some interesting links.

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blshrapnel.htm

http://www.shrapnell.co.uk/page11.html

Thanks for your time.
More photos coming.

Keith V
Chandler Az.



From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan 25 12:28:59 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:28:59 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scanning meteorites to help mars mission?
In-Reply-To: <AB4540EF-E1D7-4FC0-8B5C-1094B6C2E6DF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20100125172859.LH677.118260.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Gary

That is the actual Middlesborough meteorite...one of the most perfectly oriented meteorites ever found...spectacular...a lucky few (not me) have some of the casts which were available not long ago...missed out on those :-(

Cheers,

Graham

---- Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com> wrote: 
> No Graham, but its a pretty darn good excuse to play with that gorgeous oriented nosecone as pictured in the article (if that is indeed the Middlesborough meteorite and not just a file photo)  ;^)
> 
> gary
> 
> On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:39 AM, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Has anyone seen this article...
> > 
> > http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/4852991.Mars_probe_scientists_in_York_to_exa/
> > 
> > An interesting thing to do but I cannot see how that will help identify meteorites on Mars. As we all know, the atmosphere is much thinner so that fresh meteorites would not be ablated in the same way and older ones that have been found are well weathered/changed by wind blown sand etc.
> > 
> > Anyone else make sense of this?
> > 
> > Graham, Nr Barwell UK
> > ______________________________________________
> > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 
> Gary Fujihara
> Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
> http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
> (808) 640-9161
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



From fujmon at mac.com  Mon Jan 25 12:32:10 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:32:10 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scanning meteorites to help mars mission?
In-Reply-To: <20100125172859.LH677.118260.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <20100125172859.LH677.118260.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <3C191D0A-F5C3-469E-90D1-75F383BCE86B@mac.com>

Thanks for that information Graham.  But of course I must apologize for my blurting out "play", for as we all know, scientists actually handle and investigate such specimens in the laboratory, right?    ;^)

gary

On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:28 AM, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com wrote:

> Hi Gary
> 
> That is the actual Middlesborough meteorite...one of the most perfectly oriented meteorites ever found...spectacular...a lucky few (not me) have some of the casts which were available not long ago...missed out on those :-(
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham
> 
> ---- Gary Fujihara <fujmon at mac.com> wrote: 
>> No Graham, but its a pretty darn good excuse to play with that gorgeous oriented nosecone as pictured in the article (if that is indeed the Middlesborough meteorite and not just a file photo)  ;^)
>> 
>> gary
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:39 AM, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> Has anyone seen this article...
>>> 
>>> http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/4852991.Mars_probe_scientists_in_York_to_exa/
>>> 
>>> An interesting thing to do but I cannot see how that will help identify meteorites on Mars. As we all know, the atmosphere is much thinner so that fresh meteorites would not be ablated in the same way and older ones that have been found are well weathered/changed by wind blown sand etc.
>>> 
>>> Anyone else make sense of this?
>>> 
>>> Graham, Nr Barwell UK
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> 
>> Gary Fujihara
>> Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
>> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
>> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
>> http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
>> (808) 640-9161
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
(808) 640-9161







From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 12:56:43 2010
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:56:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Great auctions and items of interest!
Message-ID: <424631.11343.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear List Members,


I have two sets of excellent auctions ending over the next two days. I will 
then be running two special 10-day auctions while attending the Tucson show.  
When I return, you will find that I have been busy revamping my entire inventory 
so expect to see a lot of new very rare meteorites and planetary offerings 
starting on the 4th of February.   I think you will be both impressed and amazed 
at the new offerings.
 
Although I will be leaving the Tucson show early due to other commitments, 
please check out Michael Blood's auction as I entered a lot of great items with 
no reserve.

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/TucsonAuction10.html

All eBay Auctions Can Be Found At This link:
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ


Thank 
you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.

Best 
Regards,

------------------------------------
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Collection
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From Impactika at aol.com  Mon Jan 25 13:16:28 2010
From: Impactika at aol.com (Impactika at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:16:28 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Message-ID: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com>

Oh no, you won't!
Not in Room 230 in the InnSuites, no you won't.
I don't allow those "things" in my home and I won't allow them there either.
I agree with Larry. There is no room for guns in a polite society.
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:45:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
valparint at aol.com writes:
No worries, Graham.

You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can carry it in the open.

Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society is a polite 
society. 

Paul Swartz


>Hi Graham:
>
>Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could walk around the
>show with a sidearm or a bullwhip.
>
>Larry




From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Mon Jan 25 13:27:29 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:27:29 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Terminal Velocity vs Cosmic "Flaming" Velocity
Message-ID: <4B5DE291.7030300@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Everyone,

One thing I noticed about this Lorton meteorite fall, and perhaps 
something that some may not have, or failed to mention for some reason 
or another is a neat little factoid that is rather "good" for the 
meteorite world knowledge base when describing the velocity of 
meteorites as they impact Earth.

"...A scientist at the Smithsonian confirmed that it was a meteorite 
that was probably traveling about 220 m.p.h. when it hit the roof of the 
doctors? office, the WaPo said..."

Now I know this is a simple quote in the newspaper (website), but this 
is a good thing for meteorites in general because other papers and 
websites have picked up on this and have reported correctly that the 
meteorite was not "flaming" when it impacted! Perhaps more people will 
realize this when reading all the articles and blog posts that have been 
circulating the internet.

Meteorites aren't flaming when they hit the ground.

I did read however in one article by a major newspaper that stated the 
Lorton meteorite was "smoldering". Don't remember where though. Perhaps 
a misquote, or misinterpretation?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA




From gmhupe at htn.net  Mon Jan 25 13:29:54 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:29:54 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
References: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4541503D99E047B3B3676456188FC611@Gregor>

Hi Anne,

What if he uses his bullwhip to whip across the room, snare a nice meteorite 
specimen from the far cabinet, and then grasp it in his hand on the whip's 
return exclaiming, "I'll take it! How much?" ;-)

You may have to put up signs that read, "You Break It, You Bought It!" :-)

See everyone in Tucson soon!

Best regards,
Greg

====================
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====================
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Impactika at aol.com>
To: <valparint at aol.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> Oh no, you won't!
> Not in Room 230 in the InnSuites, no you won't.
> I don't allow those "things" in my home and I won't allow them there 
> either.
> I agree with Larry. There is no room for guns in a polite society.
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:45:25 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> valparint at aol.com writes:
> No worries, Graham.
>
> You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can carry it in the 
> open.
>
> Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society is a polite
> society.
>
> Paul Swartz
>
>
>>Hi Graham:
>>
>>Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could walk around the
>>show with a sidearm or a bullwhip.
>>
>>Larry
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at 
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 




From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Mon Jan 25 13:33:35 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:33:35 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com>
References: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B5DE3FF.5080609@meteoritesusa.com>

Oh boy...

Politely, and with all due respect... This is a meteorite list, not a 
gun law list. This is hotly debated and needn't be hashed out here, 
there are good arguments for both sides of this debate, however I feel 
it's simply not a subject for the list. Do you guys?

Regards,
Eric


> There is no room for guns in a polite society.
>    


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 13:34:06 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:34:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <696990.30729.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Venturing off topic here and to a touch subject with many I am sure, but I would like to add a thought...

My aunt was almost raped several years ago by a known rapist who broke into her house... the only thing that prevented it was the fact she was able to get to my uncles handgun and defend herself. Try to tell her firearms are bad, it probably saved her life, without a doubt, it saved her from severe mental and physical harm.

In a world where there is restrictive gun laws and everyday citizens are not allowed to keep firearms, only the law breakers will have them.
Does a world full of gun carrying criminals scare you more then law abiding people PROPERLY traind in safe gun handling?

Have you ever heard of 2 people getting into a fight and one of them go to a car and get a gun? Have you ever seen 2 guns get into a fight and one of them go to get a person?

Guns dont kill, people do. People get stabbed to death all the time, should butter knives be illegal? What about baseball bats?

A firearm is a tool just the same as a hammer, an axe or any other object. 
What makes it "bad" is the person who holds it.

Just my opinions.

Hope everyone is doing well, have fun in Tucson, wish I could have made it this year!

Greg C.

 

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Impactika at aol.com <Impactika at aol.com> wrote:

> From: Impactika at aol.com <Impactika at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
> To: valparint at aol.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:16 PM
> Oh no, you won't!
> Not in Room 230 in the InnSuites, no you won't.
> I don't allow those "things" in my home and I won't allow
> them there either.
> I agree with Larry. There is no room for guns in a polite
> society.
>  
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_
> (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> 
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:45:25 AM Mountain Standard
> Time, 
> valparint at aol.com
> writes:
> No worries, Graham.
> 
> You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can
> carry it in the open.
> 
> Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society
> is a polite 
> society. 
> 
> Paul Swartz
> 
> 
> >Hi Graham:
> >
> >Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could
> walk around the
> >show with a sidearm or a bullwhip.
> >
> >Larry
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> 


      


From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan 25 13:35:42 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:35:42 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100125183542.OP959.120537.root@web06-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Don't worry Anne wouldn't dream of it. 

I'll save that for Tombstone!
BTW Not many folks know that Wyatt Earp's family came from a village a few miles from me here in the UK called Melbourne (which also gave it's name to Melbourne, Australia)...there are still many Earp's living there.

Regards,

Graham

 
---- Impactika at aol.com wrote: 
> Oh no, you won't!
> Not in Room 230 in the InnSuites, no you won't.
> I don't allow those "things" in my home and I won't allow them there either.
> I agree with Larry. There is no room for guns in a polite society.
>  
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com) 
> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:45:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
> valparint at aol.com writes:
> No worries, Graham.
> 
> You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can carry it in the open.
> 
> Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society is a polite 
> society. 
> 
> Paul Swartz
> 
> 
> >Hi Graham:
> >
> >Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could walk around the
> >show with a sidearm or a bullwhip.
> >
> >Larry
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list



From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 13:38:11 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:38:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <4B5DE3FF.5080609@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <539350.18240.qm@web46413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I would have to agree 100% with Eric, even if I did add my opinions.

To get back onto meteorites, a new meteorite word from me...

Meteoritis - the pain you get in your back and neck from working for hours on end cutting, polishing and cleaning meteorites.



Greg C.

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:

> From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:33 PM
> Oh boy...
> 
> Politely, and with all due respect... This is a meteorite
> list, not a gun law list. This is hotly debated and needn't
> be hashed out here, there are good arguments for both sides
> of this debate, however I feel it's simply not a subject for
> the list. Do you guys?
> 
> Regards,
> Eric
> 
> 
> > There is no room for guns in a polite society.
> >? ? 
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From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Jan 25 13:43:21 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:43:21 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <696990.30729.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com>
	<696990.30729.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8eprl55tutrgoo85lvpun4nvo78mibin0m@4ax.com>

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:34:06 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>
>My aunt was almost raped several years ago by a known 
>rapist who broke into her house... the only thing that 
>prevented it was the fact she was able to get to my 
>uncles handgun and defend herself. 

Which is a lesson to all-- when you go to rape someone, bring your own gun.


From fujmon at mac.com  Mon Jan 25 13:41:39 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:41:39 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <539350.18240.qm@web46413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <539350.18240.qm@web46413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <37C32BC0-CA59-4D52-85F3-2FA45E86E81C@mac.com>

> Meteoritis - the pain you get in your back and neck from working for hours on end cutting, polishing and cleaning meteorites.

A labor of love though Greg, that many of us endure (enjoy), if not from preparing or selling, then from inspecting (adoring).

Cheers, from a chronically inflicted Meteoritis casualty
gary

> 
> 
> 
> Greg C.
> 
> --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:33 PM
>> Oh boy...
>> 
>> Politely, and with all due respect... This is a meteorite
>> list, not a gun law list. This is hotly debated and needn't
>> be hashed out here, there are good arguments for both sides
>> of this debate, however I feel it's simply not a subject for
>> the list. Do you guys?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> There is no room for guns in a polite society.
>>>     
>> ______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
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Gary Fujihara
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105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html  
(808) 640-9161







From batkol at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 25 13:44:02 2010
From: batkol at sbcglobal.net (batkol)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:44:02 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <8eprl55tutrgoo85lvpun4nvo78mibin0m@4ax.com>
References: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com><696990.30729.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<8eprl55tutrgoo85lvpun4nvo78mibin0m@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <5BAEB56E7CEB476A9DC547A869EF2DF9@batkolPC>

is this supposed to be funny?  i've missed the humor if it's supposed to be.
susan patton
imca 1982

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:34:06 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>
>>
>>My aunt was almost raped several years ago by a known
>>rapist who broke into her house... the only thing that
>>prevented it was the fact she was able to get to my
>>uncles handgun and defend herself.
>
> Which is a lesson to all-- when you go to rape someone, bring your own 
> gun.
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at 
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 



From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Jan 25 13:56:52 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:56:52 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <5BAEB56E7CEB476A9DC547A869EF2DF9@batkolPC>
References: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com><696990.30729.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<8eprl55tutrgoo85lvpun4nvo78mibin0m@4ax.com>
	<5BAEB56E7CEB476A9DC547A869EF2DF9@batkolPC>
Message-ID: <k6qrl5525r7jmf4jktn4qtq8r0dtgv9l48@4ax.com>

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:44:02 -0600, you wrote:

>is this supposed to be funny?  i've missed the humor if it's supposed to be.
>susan patton

No-- it is supposed to be factual.  The only reason having a gun stopped her
from being raped is that the rapist didn't have a gun.  But the more likely
someone intent on commiting a crime is to think you might have a gun, the more
likely he is to have one himself.  And shoot first.


From freequarks at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 13:59:49 2010
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:59:49 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <k6qrl5525r7jmf4jktn4qtq8r0dtgv9l48@4ax.com>
References: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com>
	<696990.30729.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<8eprl55tutrgoo85lvpun4nvo78mibin0m@4ax.com>
	<5BAEB56E7CEB476A9DC547A869EF2DF9@batkolPC>
	<k6qrl5525r7jmf4jktn4qtq8r0dtgv9l48@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <822da19a1001251059y5f2531aq87d293977b55c429@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, I get it...

Meteor Rights.

The right of the people to keep and bear meteorites, shall not be infringed.


-Martin


From batkol at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 25 14:08:00 2010
From: batkol at sbcglobal.net (batkol)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:08:00 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <k6qrl5525r7jmf4jktn4qtq8r0dtgv9l48@4ax.com>
References: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com><696990.30729.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><8eprl55tutrgoo85lvpun4nvo78mibin0m@4ax.com><5BAEB56E7CEB476A9DC547A869EF2DF9@batkolPC>
	<k6qrl5525r7jmf4jktn4qtq8r0dtgv9l48@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <F21C674722B5445FAF23CA2B4B5D4093@batkolPC>

let me start by saying, i'm glad your aunt was not raped.  it's a 
terrifying, humiliating and crushing experience.  however, you words were 
directed at rapists, advising them to bring a gun along to what, make sure 
your efforts were a success?  everyone's entitled to their own opinions. 
mine is, you're a jackass.
susan patton
imca 1982


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren Garrison" <cynapse at charter.net>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words


> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:44:02 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>is this supposed to be funny?  i've missed the humor if it's supposed to 
>>be.
>>susan patton
>
> No-- it is supposed to be factual.  The only reason having a gun stopped 
> her
> from being raped is that the rapist didn't have a gun.  But the more 
> likely
> someone intent on commiting a crime is to think you might have a gun, the 
> more
> likely he is to have one himself.  And shoot first.
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From GeoZay at aol.com  Mon Jan 25 14:12:35 2010
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:12:35 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Terminal Velocity vs Cosmic "Flaming" Velocity
Message-ID: <166ef.3cfbb4ef.388f4723@aol.com>

>>I did read however in one article by a  major newspaper that stated the 
Lorton meteorite was "smoldering". Don't  remember where though. Perhaps 
a misquote, or  misinterpretation?<<

Probably a reporters poetic license being  exercised. :O) 
geozay  



From dfronfld at hiwaay.net  Mon Jan 25 14:33:32 2010
From: dfronfld at hiwaay.net (Daniel H. Fronefield)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:33:32 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scanning meteorites to help mars mission?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.45.1264445990.33498.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
References: <mailman.45.1264445990.33498.meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Message-ID: <20100125123332.426453kj2mvbi58s@webmail.hiwaay.net>


So, does anyone still carry these Middlesborough meteorite casts for  
sale?  Is the 3D scan made by ESA/NASA available to the general  
public? If so, a reasonable replica could be produced by various  
methods.  Just thinking ... I'd love to have replica for my display too.

Dan


Handmade Knives by D. Fronefield
"Specializing in Meteorites and other exotic materials"
www.meteorforge.net

> Hi Gary

> That is the actual Middlesborough meteorite...one of the most  
> perfectly >oriented meteorites ever found...spectacular...a lucky  
> few (not me) have some >of the casts which were available not long  
> ago...missed out on those :-(

> Cheers,

> Graham
>



From korotev at wustl.edu  Mon Jan 25 14:54:34 2010
From: korotev at wustl.edu (Randy Korotev)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:54:34 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Terminal Velocity vs Cosmic "Flaming" Velocity
In-Reply-To: <166ef.3cfbb4ef.388f4723@aol.com>
References: <166ef.3cfbb4ef.388f4723@aol.com>
Message-ID: <201001251953.o0PJrqR28237@levee.wustl.edu>

Maybe someone else mentioned this, but on the interview with the 
dentist, Dr. Ciampi, that NPR aired this weekend, he clearly said 
that the meteorite "wasn't warm either when he [his partner] touched it."

Also, the reporter, Audie Cornish, consistently referred to the thing 
as a "meteor" despite that Dr. Ciampi called it a meteorite.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7



At 13:12 25-01-10 Monday, you wrote:
> >>I did read however in one article by a  major newspaper that stated the
>Lorton meteorite was "smoldering". Don't  remember where though. Perhaps
>a misquote, or  misinterpretation?<<
>
>Probably a reporters poetic license being  exercised. :O)
>geozay

Randy Korotev
Saint Louis, MO
korotev at wustl.edu 




From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Jan 25 15:19:35 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:19:35 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <F21C674722B5445FAF23CA2B4B5D4093@batkolPC>
References: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com><696990.30729.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><8eprl55tutrgoo85lvpun4nvo78mibin0m@4ax.com><5BAEB56E7CEB476A9DC547A869EF2DF9@batkolPC>
	<k6qrl5525r7jmf4jktn4qtq8r0dtgv9l48@4ax.com>
	<F21C674722B5445FAF23CA2B4B5D4093@batkolPC>
Message-ID: <equrl5h5u9sfisuqavpp818d1h3qqsc37t@4ax.com>

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:08:00 -0600, you wrote:

>directed at rapists, advising them to bring a gun along to what, make sure 
>your efforts were a success?  everyone's entitled to their own opinions. 
>mine is, you're a jackass.

1.) While I may be wrong, I have my doubts that there are many serial rapists
who subscribe to this list.

2.) While serial rapists are not likely the most logical thinking, well educated
of the population, I think even they grasp the concept "my victim may have a
gun, therefore my chances are better if I have a gun, too" without having me
point it out to them.

I will concider that I may have been wrong on one or both points if the number
of gun crimes suddenly skyrocket after this post.


From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Jan 25 15:39:36 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:39:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <F21C674722B5445FAF23CA2B4B5D4093@batkolPC>
References: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com><696990.30729.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><8eprl55tutrgoo85lvpun4nvo78mibin0m@4ax.com><5BAEB56E7CEB476A9DC547A869EF2DF9@batkolPC>
	<k6qrl5525r7jmf4jktn4qtq8r0dtgv9l48@4ax.com>
	<F21C674722B5445FAF23CA2B4B5D4093@batkolPC>
Message-ID: <k60sl5p0iueam7lvuhn2qq0fgamlfke649@4ax.com>

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about my comment (based on some
replies on and off list.)  I do not avocate rape and I DID NOT advocate rape.  I
simply pointed out the flaw in using the idea of being armed as being a panacea.
Criminal does X, criminal is defeated my Y.  From this, future criminals learn
to do Z.  The same way criminals learn to try to avoid leaving fingerprints, and
clothing fibers... and witnesses.  It is simple.  If you think someone doesn't
have a gun, you tell them "give me your money or I'll shoot."  If you think
someone has a gun, you kill them and take the money off their corpse.  (And no,
I'm not advocating you to rob and murder people.)

While "guns don't kill people, people kill people"-- GUNS ALSO DON'T MAKE YOU
SAFE (not yelling, no itallics) because the "bad guy" can have a gun, too.


From freequarks at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 15:51:27 2010
From: freequarks at gmail.com (Dark Matter)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:51:27 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] If Yogi Berra collected meteorites
Message-ID: <822da19a1001251251x30bb195v2e0db4acf62fcfbe@mail.gmail.com>

HI All,

In need of another mental distraction from work, I noticed that a
famous Yogi Berra quote would apply to meteorite collection if
slightly tweeked. So with apologies to the great man himself, here are
some other variation that I think preserve some of the spirit of his
original mixed message.

I knew it would be my biggest piece until I got a bigger one.

Nobody goes to the Tucson show anymore. It?s too crowded.

It?s pretty expensive, but it doesn?t seem like it.

It was hard to purchase any specimens because everyone was too busy buying them.

An achondrite ain't worth a chondrite anymore.

You wouldn?t have won the eBay auction if I had outbid you.

If people don?t want to buy your meteorites, nobody?s going to stop them.

It ain?t your till it?s yours.

My collection has deep depth.

When deciding between two specimens, buy it.

If the specimen was perfect, it wouldn?t be.

Meteorites ain't what they used to be.

I never bought most of the things I did.

Ninety percent of meteorite collecting is half luck.


Best,

Martin


From carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 25 16:12:27 2010
From: carloselguapo1 at hotmail.com (Carl 's)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:12:27 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] If Yogi Berra collected meteorites
Message-ID: <COL108-W33800BC00E46459A38F9489B5F0@phx.gbl>



How about this one:

"Hey, hey, hey, Boo Boo! I see another meteorite pic-a nic basket over there!"

What? Wrong Yogi? Sorry, Martin.

Carl



 		 	   		  
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From oxytropidoceras at cox.net  Mon Jan 25 16:22:35 2010
From: oxytropidoceras at cox.net (Paul H.)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:22:35 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrongs Galore
Message-ID: <20100125162235.75QOM.89731.imail@eastrmwml49>

Dear Friends,

Anyone interested in what must be the largest collection
of meteorwrongs that is published in beautiful detail in
downloadable PDF files, they can go to "World most 
Incredible & Mysterious Stones" in various volumes that
can be found at:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19250265/Vol01-World-Most-Incredible-Mysterious-Stones

Someone spent a good bit of time collecting concretions
of various types, cutting them open, and photographing
them.  :-)

Have Fun,

Paul H.


From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 16:26:21 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:26:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Nice!
Message-ID: <144324.23353.qm@web46407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Would you not agree?

complete stone
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF3235.jpg

Interior from a stone cut in half
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF3246.jpg

More coming soon.

Greg C.


      


From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 25 16:42:18 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:42:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not
 outer space, says scientist
Message-ID: <23711755.1264455738616.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hello List,

Here's a fellow who must stay so far back in his laboratory at AU that they mail him daylight.
Professor Paul Davies, purported to be a physicist, has "alien life" sitting in the meteorite collection down the hall from him...so to speak..and he makes this idiotic pronouncement. All he accomplished was to show his ignorance of the current science and provide fodder for the argument against tenure.

I thought when I read the caption on this release that it was going to show some recognition of the fact that "alien life " has already been discovered in martian meteorites...albeit dead and fossilized...and that most of his colleagues agree that meteorites brought "life" to this planet. 

If Davies wants to discover "alien life"...he should look in a mirror.

Here's the link.      

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7068765/The-search-for-aliens-should-start-on-Earth-not-outer-space-says-scientist.html

On to Tucson,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536


From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Jan 25 17:00:19 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:00:19 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth
	not outer space, says scientist
In-Reply-To: <23711755.1264455738616.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <23711755.1264455738616.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1t4sl5dc2rvhrdft72kkhqmtnkf6fi8occ@4ax.com>

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:42:18 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

>Hello List,
>
>Here's a fellow who must stay so far back in his laboratory at AU that they mail him daylight.
>Professor Paul Davies, purported to be a physicist, has "alien life" sitting in the meteorite collection down the hall from him...so to speak..and he makes this idiotic pronouncement. All he accomplished was to show his ignorance of the current science and provide fodder for the argument against tenure.

The idea isn't that outrageous (or that non-mainstream.)  We don't know if
non-protien/nucleic acid life exists on Earth or not.  It may be a very long
shot, but if someone is willing and able to devote their time and resources to
searching, more power to them.

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/et_life.shtml

http://espanol.astrobio.net/exclusive/3148/the-search-for-life-on-earth

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jul/aliens-among-us


From holmesw at frontiernet.net  Mon Jan 25 17:06:20 2010
From: holmesw at frontiernet.net (Wayne Holmes)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:06:20 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte
Message-ID: <000d01ca9e0a$a138b470$0200a8c0@Buckaroos>

Congratulations to Todd Parker on his new classification Thumb Butte.

One nicely Oriented 104 g specimen H3.8 Chondrite. Todd found this specimen 
while hunting in the Bullhead/Laughlin area in Mar, 2008. This is the first 
of Todds 4 new cold finds to be classified.

Check out the pictures on my website (first page, scroll down).

http://www.meteoritesrock.com/index.html





Thumb Butte                          35? 10.196?N 114? 27.351? W

     Mojave County, Arizona, USA

     Find: 1 March 2008

     Ordinary chondrite (H3.8)

History: Mr. Todd Parker found a 104 g stone on a small, alluvium-covered 
flat just west of Thumb Butte and 4 miles east of Bullhead City, Mojave Co., 
Arizona.

Physical characteristics: The single stone is mostly covered by moderately 
weathered reddish-brown fusion crust.

Petrography (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU):  Chondrules have sharp outlines 
with a mean diameter of ~0.4 mm. Matrix is slightly recrystallzed with some 
remnant calcic glass. Chondrule mesostasis is clear to turbid and several 
chondrules are armored with metal and minor FeS. Contains olivine, 
orthopyroxene, kamacite, FeS, taenite, merrillite, Cl-apatite, chromite and 
a trace of plagioclase. Fresh interior with reddish staining, weathering 
grade is W1. Shock level is S2.

Mineral compositions: Olivine, Fa17.3 - 24; orthopyroxene, Fs15.7 - 19.1Wo 
1.5 - 2.3; taenite Ni = 41.2 wt%; chromite cr# = 86.

Classification: Ordinary chondrite (H3.8).

Type specimen: 20 g are on deposit at NAU. Mr. Todd Parker holds the main 
mass.



From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 17:11:09 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:11:09 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte
In-Reply-To: <000d01ca9e0a$a138b470$0200a8c0@Buckaroos>
References: <000d01ca9e0a$a138b470$0200a8c0@Buckaroos>
Message-ID: <e51421551001251411pd6fb1efw86ec476a9d046c93@mail.gmail.com>

That has to be one of the coolest meteorite names ever. LOL

I want a micro!

Congrats to Todd. :)


On 1/25/10, Wayne Holmes <holmesw at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> Congratulations to Todd Parker on his new classification Thumb Butte.
>
> One nicely Oriented 104 g specimen H3.8 Chondrite. Todd found this specimen
> while hunting in the Bullhead/Laughlin area in Mar, 2008. This is the first
> of Todds 4 new cold finds to be classified.
>
> Check out the pictures on my website (first page, scroll down).
>
> http://www.meteoritesrock.com/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
> Thumb Butte                          35? 10.196?N 114? 27.351? W
>
>      Mojave County, Arizona, USA
>
>      Find: 1 March 2008
>
>      Ordinary chondrite (H3.8)
>
> History: Mr. Todd Parker found a 104 g stone on a small, alluvium-covered
> flat just west of Thumb Butte and 4 miles east of Bullhead City, Mojave Co.,
> Arizona.
>
> Physical characteristics: The single stone is mostly covered by moderately
> weathered reddish-brown fusion crust.
>
> Petrography (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU):  Chondrules have sharp outlines
> with a mean diameter of ~0.4 mm. Matrix is slightly recrystallzed with some
> remnant calcic glass. Chondrule mesostasis is clear to turbid and several
> chondrules are armored with metal and minor FeS. Contains olivine,
> orthopyroxene, kamacite, FeS, taenite, merrillite, Cl-apatite, chromite and
> a trace of plagioclase. Fresh interior with reddish staining, weathering
> grade is W1. Shock level is S2.
>
> Mineral compositions: Olivine, Fa17.3 - 24; orthopyroxene, Fs15.7 - 19.1Wo
> 1.5 - 2.3; taenite Ni = 41.2 wt%; chromite cr# = 86.
>
> Classification: Ordinary chondrite (H3.8).
>
> Type specimen: 20 g are on deposit at NAU. Mr. Todd Parker holds the main
> mass.
>
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From fujmon at mac.com  Mon Jan 25 17:14:19 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:14:19 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth
 not outer space, says scientist
In-Reply-To: <23711755.1264455738616.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <23711755.1264455738616.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9924D635-58BD-4DDE-B8DC-6B461357D1F6@mac.com>

Count, the proposal is not so outlandish.  No one thought that organisms could exist without sunlight for photosynthesis before Vinogradskii proposed chemosynthesis in 1890.  That was proven in the 1970s by Alvin the submersible when scientists using it first discovered hydrothermal vents and the strange creatures that thrive there.  

gary

On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:42 AM, countdeiro at earthlink.net wrote:

> Hello List,
> 
> Here's a fellow who must stay so far back in his laboratory at AU that they mail him daylight.
> Professor Paul Davies, purported to be a physicist, has "alien life" sitting in the meteorite collection down the hall from him...so to speak..and he makes this idiotic pronouncement. All he accomplished was to show his ignorance of the current science and provide fodder for the argument against tenure.
> 
> I thought when I read the caption on this release that it was going to show some recognition of the fact that "alien life " has already been discovered in martian meteorites...albeit dead and fossilized...and that most of his colleagues agree that meteorites brought "life" to this planet. 
> 
> If Davies wants to discover "alien life"...he should look in a mirror.
> 
> Here's the link.      
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7068765/The-search-for-aliens-should-start-on-Earth-not-outer-space-says-scientist.html
> 
> On to Tucson,
> 
> Count Deiro
> IMCA 3536
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan 25 17:44:48 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:44:48 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Scanning meteorites to help mars mission?
In-Reply-To: <20100125123332.426453kj2mvbi58s@webmail.hiwaay.net>
Message-ID: <20100125224448.XRZPX.126783.root@web07-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi Dan,

I have chased up the original sources of the casts and they are no longer available...unless of course someone on the list knows different...I have been after one for years.

Graham

---- "Daniel H. Fronefield" <dfronfld at hiwaay.net> wrote: 
> 
> So, does anyone still carry these Middlesborough meteorite casts for  
> sale?  Is the 3D scan made by ESA/NASA available to the general  
> public? If so, a reasonable replica could be produced by various  
> methods.  Just thinking ... I'd love to have replica for my display too.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> Handmade Knives by D. Fronefield
> "Specializing in Meteorites and other exotic materials"
> www.meteorforge.net
> 
> > Hi Gary
> 
> > That is the actual Middlesborough meteorite...one of the most  
> > perfectly >oriented meteorites ever found...spectacular...a lucky  
> > few (not me) have some >of the casts which were available not long  
> > ago...missed out on those :-(
> 
> > Cheers,
> 
> > Graham
> >
> 
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From raremeteorites at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 18:23:06 2010
From: raremeteorites at yahoo.com (Adam Hupe)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:23:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte
In-Reply-To: <000d01ca9e0a$a138b470$0200a8c0@Buckaroos>
References: <000d01ca9e0a$a138b470$0200a8c0@Buckaroos>
Message-ID: <314532.58675.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sounds like a crack problem to me.

In all seriousness; Congratulations Todd!,  this find is practically in my back yard.

I like that the term "cold find" is being applied to meteorites since I coined it several years ago.  It is just a spin on treasure hunting terms "wet find" and "dry find" that apply to something which was either found in the water or on land.     

Best Regards,

Adam


From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Jan 25 18:55:13 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:55:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA's WISE Eye Spies Near-Earth Asteroid (2010
	AB78)
Message-ID: <201001252355.o0PNtDpX015008@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2010-028

NASA's WISE Eye Spies Near-Earth Asteroid
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
January 25, 2010

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer, or WISE,
has spotted its first never-before-seen near-Earth asteroid, the first
of hundreds it is expected to find during its mission to map the whole
sky in infrared light. There is no danger of the newly discovered
asteroid hitting Earth.

The near-Earth object, designated 2010 AB78, was discovered by WISE Jan.
12. The mission's sophisticated software picked out the moving object
against a background of stationary stars. As WISE circled Earth,
scanning the sky above, it observed the asteroid several times during a
period of one-and-a-half days before the object moved beyond its view.
Researchers then used the University of Hawaii's 2.2-meter (88-inch)
visible-light telescope near the summit of Mauna Kea to follow up and
confirm the discovery.

The asteroid is currently about 158 million kilometers (98 million
miles) from Earth. It is estimated to be roughly 1 kilometer (0.6 miles)
in diameter and circles the sun in an elliptical orbit tilted to the
plane of our solar system. The object comes as close to the sun as
Earth, but because of its tilted orbit, it will not pass very close to
Earth for many centuries. This asteroid does not pose any foreseeable
impact threat to Earth, but scientists will continue to monitor it.

Near-Earth objects are asteroids and comets with orbits that pass
relatively close to Earth's path around the sun. In extremely rare cases
of an impact, the objects may cause damage to Earth's surface. An
asteroid about 10 kilometers (6 miles) wide is thought to have plunged
into our planet 65 million years ago, triggering a global disaster and
killing off the dinosaurs.

Additional asteroid and comet detections will continue to come from
WISE. The observations will be automatically sent to the clearinghouse
for solar system bodies, the Minor Planet Center in Cambridge, Mass.,
for comparison against the known catalog of solar system objects. A
community of professional and amateur astronomers will provide follow-up
observations, establishing firm orbits for the previously unseen objects.

"This is just the beginning," said Ned Wright, the mission's principal
investigator from UCLA. "We've got a fire hose of data pouring down from
space."

On Jan. 14, the WISE mission began its official survey of the entire sky
in infrared light, one month after it rocketed into a polar orbit around
Earth from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. By casting a wide
net, the mission will catch all sorts of cosmic objects, from asteroids
in our own solar system to galaxies billions of light-years away. Its
data will serve as a cosmic treasure map, pointing astronomers and
telescopes, such as NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope and the upcoming
James Webb Space Telescope, to the most interesting finds.

WISE is expected to find about 100,000 previously unknown asteroids in
our main asteroid belt, a rocky ring of debris between the orbits of
Mars and Jupiter. It will also spot hundreds of previously unseen
near-Earth objects.

By observing infrared light, WISE will reveal the darkest members of the
near-Earth object population -- those that don't reflect much visible
light. The mission will contribute important information about asteroid
and comet sizes. Visible-light estimates of an asteroid's size can be
deceiving, because a small, light-colored space rock can look the same
as a big, dark one. In infrared, however, a big dark rock will give off
more of a thermal, or infrared glow, and reveal its true size. This size
information will give researchers a better estimate of how often Earth
can expect potentially devastating impacts.

"We are thrilled to have found our first new near-Earth object," said
Amy Mainzer of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.
Mainzer is the principal investigator of NEOWISE, a program to mine the
collected WISE data for new solar system objects. "Many programs are
searching for near-Earth objects using visible light, but some asteroids
are dark, like pavement, and don't reflect a lot of sunlight. But like a
parking lot, the dark objects heat up and emit infrared light that WISE
can see."

"It is great to receive the first of many anticipated near-Earth object
discoveries by the WISE system," said Don Yeomans, manager of NASA's
Near-Earth Object Program Office at JPL. "Analysis of the WISE data will
go a long way toward understanding the true nature of this population."

JPL manages the WISE mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate,
Washington. The principal investigator, Edward Wright, is at UCLA. The
mission was competitively selected under NASA's Explorers Program
managed by the Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. The science
instrument was built by the Space Dynamics Laboratory, Logan, Utah, and
the spacecraft was built by Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp.,
Boulder, Colo. Science operations and data processing take place at the
Infrared Processing and Analysis Center at the California Institute of
Technology in Pasadena. Caltech manages JPL for NASA. The ground-based
observations are partly supported by the National Science Foundation. 

More information is online at http://www.nasa.gov/wise,
http://wise.astro.ucla.edu and http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/wise .

Whitney Clavin 818-354-4673
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
whitney.clavin at jpl.nasa.gov

2010-028



From grf2 at comcast.net  Mon Jan 25 19:01:36 2010
From: grf2 at comcast.net (Jerry Flaherty)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:01:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] some meteorite words
Message-ID: <5DEE408B1C2B4CB4B68D3A890E6F2ABE@ASUS>

meteoriteonly- NO OT on Met list 


From meteoritekid at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 19:08:00 2010
From: meteoritekid at gmail.com (Jason Utas)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:08:00 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <696990.30729.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com>
	<696990.30729.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <93aaac891001251608n3aa6706cm5d163eacf450cf2@mail.gmail.com>

An interesting argument, but one that has been refuted many times.
The problem is that such occurrences are the exception the the rule,
and studies show that, in general, guns actually cause more harm than
good; either the people who choose own them are simply twice as likely
to commit suicide, or the gun somehow increases the odds of their
killing themselves by twofold, but the fact of the matter is that
people who keep guns in their houses are significantly more likely to
die of both suicide -- and of homicide than are their "helpless,"
unarmed counterparts.
Never mind the fact that keeping guns illegal and out of mainstream
use has maintained correspondingly low gun-crime rates in European
countries.

As you can see in the websites below.

http://www.guninformation.org/

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

You've got to put things in context.  Just noting one instance where a
friend or family member has used a gun to defend his or herself
ignores the real issue; and saying crap like "guns don't kill people,
people kill people" is just BS.  I'm glad your aunt is safe, but, as
has been said, her situation was the exception to the norm.

I've seen this around - "Glasses don't see, eyes see."
By your logic, we should abolish glasses because they really don't do
anything to help people see.

Ugh.

Jason



On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Greg Catterton
<star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Venturing off topic here and to a touch subject with many I am sure, but I would like to add a thought...
>
> My aunt was almost raped several years ago by a known rapist who broke into her house... the only thing that prevented it was the fact she was able to get to my uncles handgun and defend herself. Try to tell her firearms are bad, it probably saved her life, without a doubt, it saved her from severe mental and physical harm.
>
> In a world where there is restrictive gun laws and everyday citizens are not allowed to keep firearms, only the law breakers will have them.
> Does a world full of gun carrying criminals scare you more then law abiding people PROPERLY traind in safe gun handling?
>
> Have you ever heard of 2 people getting into a fight and one of them go to a car and get a gun? Have you ever seen 2 guns get into a fight and one of them go to get a person?
>
> Guns dont kill, people do. People get stabbed to death all the time, should butter knives be illegal? What about baseball bats?
>
> A firearm is a tool just the same as a hammer, an axe or any other object.
> What makes it "bad" is the person who holds it.
>
> Just my opinions.
>
> Hope everyone is doing well, have fun in Tucson, wish I could have made it this year!
>
> Greg C.
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Impactika at aol.com <Impactika at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Impactika at aol.com <Impactika at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>> To: valparint at aol.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:16 PM
>> Oh no, you won't!
>> Not in Room 230 in the InnSuites, no you won't.
>> I don't allow those "things" in my home and I won't allow
>> them there either.
>> I agree with Larry. There is no room for guns in a polite
>> society.
>>
>> Anne M. Black
>> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
>> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_
>> (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
>>
>> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:45:25 AM Mountain Standard
>> Time,
>> valparint at aol.com
>> writes:
>> No worries, Graham.
>>
>> You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can
>> carry it in the open.
>>
>> Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society
>> is a polite
>> society.
>>
>> Paul Swartz
>>
>>
>> >Hi Graham:
>> >
>> >Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could
>> walk around the
>> >show with a sidearm or a bullwhip.
>> >
>> >Larry
>>
>>
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From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Jan 25 19:22:52 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:22:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Looming Martian Winter Threatens Spirit Rover
Message-ID: <201001260022.o0Q0MqhK017096@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1001/24spirit/

Looming Martian winter threatens Spirit rover
BY CRAIG COVAULT
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
January 24, 2010

NASA Headquarters managers face an imminent decision to formally halt
further extraction maneuvers by the Mars rover Spirit to conserve
electricity and to save the rover's life while it remains stuck in a
sand trap 61 million miles from Earth.

After six years of roving, Spirit's continued survival on Mars is now an
open question as this marvel of robotics, human affection and ingenuity
now risks freezing to death in the weeks ahead.

"Right now there is no assurance we will get through the winter because
power predictions are looking quite challenging for the rover sitting at
its current attitude," says John Callas, rover project manager at the
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena Calif.

"The reality is we are running out of time," Callas tells Spaceflight Now.

"There is less and less power for the vehicle every day that goes by
because we are getting closer and closer to low winter Sun angles,"
Callas says. Without that power we can not run the heaters positioned in
the rover's body beside critical electronics.

"We are very close to saying that we have tried everything that we could
have possibly tried to drive out of the sand trap," says rover principal
investigator Steve Squyres of Cornell University.

In reality, the issue has changed from whether the rover can be freed
ever to rove again. The issue now is whether it can generate enough
electric power while stuck to keep from freezing to death in the coming
months -- an increasingly dire situation.

This critical juncture in the historic dual Mars Exploration Rover (MER)
mission to Mars will evoke strong emotions and memories among the
hundreds of scientists and engineers who have worked on Spirit and
millions of members of the public worldwide. They have followed the
adventures of the 384-pound robot and its sister Opportunity as if they
were human.

If Spirit does survive, the science strategy for the rover as a fixed
station should provide extremely important additional discoveries.
Spirit can still perform major science that "holds the potential of for
revealing major details about Mars that would add to Spirit's scientific
legacy in a very meaningful and important way," Squyres tells
Spaceflight Now.

It is as if the now-fixed stationary Spirit has just touched down at
another new Mars landing site.

Squyres says these include major new data on whether Mars has a solid or
liquid core and the acquisition of significantly more high resolution
multispectral imagery of the Columbia Hills region of the giant Gusev
crater area. Such data have not been obtained previously because it
simply takes so long to acquire. But Spirit, if it can survive the
coming winter power crisis, is now in a position to obtain such new data.

Months of simulation and analysis at JPL, Lockheed Martin and other NASA
centers and companies could not solve the unsolvable, how to escape the
sand pit with only four rather than six operational wheels. A third
wheel is also in question.

"Spirit has achieved so much and become such a significant vehicle in
the history of Mars exploration we owe it to the rover and to ourselves
that we are satisfied that we did everything we could possibly have done
to get the thing out," says Squyres.

But with the onset of Martian winter, a looming power crisis, and a
worsening wheel capability it was too risky to trade the benefit of a
fixed science lander against trying to drive Spirit out of the bizarre
silica powder that overwhelmed its three left wheels last April.

Ironically, the discovery of this silica is Spirit's greatest scientific
achievement, Squyres tells Spaceflight Now.

That is because for such extensive deposits of silica (90 percent pure
opaline dioxide) there had to have been lengthy and abundant
volcanically-warmed water at the Home Plate location. That cinched
conclusions that the Home Plate site where Spirit is stuck was a
volcanic fumeral not unlike those at Yellowstone or Lassen National
Parks. And some of this water could have been hospitable to Martian life.

Spirit's right front wheel, unable to roll for most of the mission,
complicated any hope of getting out, but the stuck wheel also made the
initial silica discovery. Like a pioneer farmer with a single bottom
plow to bust sod, the wheel dragging behind Spirit acted like that
pioneer's plow, to turn over the bright white silica material under much
darker topsoil.

The bad news was months later Spirit's three left wheels fell through a
camouflaged crust that concealed a pit of the slick powdery substance
that entrapped Spirit. JPL rover drivers would have powered it out of
the trap long ago had it been possible to do so. But both of Spirit's
front and aft right wheels are inoperable now -- and even the right
center may be acting up.

Since Spirit is nearing electrical power limits to maneuver at all, it
is likely virtually all future maneuvers will be devoted to further
improving the attitude of Spirit's top solar array relative to the Sun.

The new objective will be to shift to maneuvers to increase solar array
power to survive the winter in the few days left where Sun angles will
still provide enough power to ensure it can even do that minimal
maneuvering in place.

Until it eventually dies at this spot, this will help Spirit obtain more
electricity to survive nighttime winter temperatures dipping to around
minus 100 degrees F.

Both Spirit and Opportunity have lasted 6 years compared with their
specification lifetime of about 90 days. Extremely complex mechanically,
their robotic mechanisms had a specification travel distance of about
900 feet.

Since landing late January 3, 2004, Pasadena time, Spirit has driven 4.8
miles. Its airbag landing was followed on January 24, 2004 by
Opportunity, which has logged more than 12 miles. They have had
substantially different missions on opposite sides of Mars. Both found
important evidence of lengthily localized episodes of surface or
underground water capable of sustaining life during early Martian
history. And Opportunity continues to race its own lifetime (at a
turtle's pace), toward massive Endeavour crater still more than a year
of roving ahead.

Spirit has had a much harder "blue collar" but amazing life even for
geology-tuned Mars rover that built upon the airbag landing system
pioneered in 1997 by the Mars Pathfinder lander and rover Sojourner.

During landing, the Martian atmospheric density was somewhat less than
programmed into Spirit's computer. This pushed its descent rocket firing
to the latter part of the flight envelope, meaning the 10-foot-tall
airbag system with Spirit inside descended far closer to the surface --
within a few feet of crashing before being yanked by its lanyard system
to a neutral velocity state for release for the airbags to work.

Two weeks after landing and finishing measurements on Adirondack, its
first rock target, Spirit nearly died of a flash memory problem.

It was solved in the end by JPL software engineer Glenn Reeves who
during the software design had the foresight to include a INIT_CRIPPLED
command in the system that fixed the flash memory problem after four
days of no contact between Spirit and Earth.

It saved the mission from software failure. But Spirit was still in
scientific trouble because the expected riverbed or lakebed deposits
were totally buried under uninteresting lava -- a heartbreaking find.

The rover that was ostensibly specified for only about 900 feet of
travel was then quickly dispatched on a scientific Hail Mary. She was
aimed across difficult volcanic rubble toward the Columbia Hills two
miles distant in search of water evidence on higher ground. The gamble
worked and Spirit found increasing water evidence the higher it went.

Spirit climbed her mountain, Husband Hill, reaching the top in late
October 2005, dragging the frozen wheel behind it. It then carefully
descended the mountain's backside to explore the mysterious baseball
diamond-sized feature named "Home Plate." It was the extinct volcanic
fumeral where she made her most important discovery, the silica deposits
indicative of abundant volcanic-related water.

Over the last several weeks, the rover team, using techniques developed
by heavy work at JPL using two ground test rovers, have undertaken a
systematic set of maneuvers on Mars in an attempt to drive out of the
sand trap. None of it has worked, just like it never worked during all
that grueling simulation work at JPL. But nobody can say it was not for
a lack of trying both at JPL and on Mars.

Since mid-January, Callas says they have tried driving backwards, south
out of the trap instead of forward. That too provided minimal progress,
except for one very significant benefit -- the back wheels tended to
climb, elevating the solar array deck more directly north.

This is a critical finding because the Sun will be low on the northern
Martian horizon during the most dangerous part of winter. Any array
elevation gain pointed north is more electricity in the bank for the
winter.

The climbing motion, however, means that the team may be able to park
the rover in a somewhat better attitude for solar array power generation.

"The other thing we might try once in optimum position is activate the
right front wheel just to steer it back and fourth to literally try and
grind it into the ground. That will tend to dip the right front side of
Spirit and also pointing the deck more toward the north," Callas tells
Spaceflight Now.

The right front wheel will not rotate but it can be steered, meaning
this technique could burrow it deeper elevating the solar array deck.

>From an electricity standpoint, the objective is to generate at least
160 watt hours per day during the worst of the winter on Mars, that will
be during May in Earth terms. Spirit is currently running on 220 watt
hours per day but that is decreasing on a daily basis.

"We would like to have at least 160 watt hours available per day. But
the energy predictions now are below that. That is why we want to get as
much northern tilt as we can," says Callas.

"Those predictions mean the rover will get colder and colder. If it gets
too cold, it will damage critical electronics inside the warm
electronics box of the rover," he says. "We would be running a daily
energy deficit," that would likely eventually freeze Spirit.

Hoping Spirit's demise can be at least postponed, a significant fixed
rover science strategy has been built involving geophysics measurements,
the monitoring of atmospheric and surface changes and geology and
geochemistry measurements using the imaging systems and Cornell Athena
science package spectrometers.

Individually they would involve:

o Geophysics: "The geophysics research is the one we are the most
excited about," says Squyres. "By doing two-way X-band tracking of the
rover's position on Mars when stationary, the team can determine the
position of the rotational pole of Mars to extremely high accuracy," he
says. "What that will do is very accurately characterize any wobbles in
the planet's spin state related to whether Mars has a liquid or solid
core,"

Most researchers believe the core is solid or mostly solid because of
the lack of a strong magnetic field, but there is still debate on that.
The rover geophysics measurements could settle the liquid versus solid
Martian core issue.

o Atmospheric and surface changes: Wind blown material transport plays
the primary role in sculpturing Martian terrain. The Cornell Athena
science payload Pancam and Mini-TES thermal emission spectrometer
mounted on the Pancam mast will continue daily monitoring of this
phenomenon as has been done throughout the flight. They will also
continue to monitor opacity and the appearance of clouds and other more
dramatic features like dust storms and dust devils.

That monitoring will continue, but be supplemented for more unique
investigations like parking the microscopic imager over a single spot to
observe how dust grains move. Earlier runs have shown that some Martian
sand grains actually hop from place to place. "Albedo Pans" which are
full 360-degree Pancam images will be continued to show atmospheric
conditions in Gusev crater on a regional basis.

Another fixed rover investigation will be important to understanding
climate change on Mars. It will use the Cornell/Max Planck Institute
Alpha Particle X-ray Spectrometer to measure the argon mixing ratio with
carbon dioxide in the Martian atmosphere.

"That ratio changes seasonally because C02 condenses out at the poles,
but argon does not. So that argon/C02 ratio will change and can be
measured with time based on measurements of the carbon dioxide at the
equator where Spirit is. It will be a technique to quantify the mixing
rate of Martian atmospheric gases," Squyres says.

o Geology and geochemistry: The Pancam and Mini-TES will also be used
for long data takes aimed at the hills around where Spirit sits. There
are several especially interesting volcanic features in the area.

"We can effectively double the resolution of the Pancam by imaging a
target then moving the instrument slightly so the computer can carry out
a technique called high path filtering," says Squyres. It is a time
consuming operation but can result in dramatic imagery. That will be
done more often to study rock strata in nearby hills. In addition
Pancam's extreme high resolution multispectral capabilities will used
more often than time allowed in the past.

"We will now be able to take the time needed to get extremely high
resolution mineralogy data on the features around us, something we have
not had time to do earlier," says Squyres.

Closer to the rover "we have still got a lot of really interesting
churned up soil around us. The reason we got stuck here is that this is
not normal Martian soil. It is a really interesting mix of normal
Martian soil but combined with high purity silica plus ferric sulfates.
How all that came about is a mystery that Spirit will now have more time
to solve. We have also found there is very complex layering to this
stuff related to its water transport properties," says Squyres.

To study it well requires the Mossbauer spectrometer. But the rover has
been operating far longer than planned, given the unit's cobalt 57
atomic source to detect the molecules and atoms it is looking for in the
soil. This is because the atomic half life of the cobalt is only 272
days, a duration exceeded several times already.

The spectrometer still works. It just requires many days of placement on
rock and soil targets to acquire the data it is looking for. With Spirit
now a fixed science station, that Mossbauer capability will be used more
often to unravel the complex geologic and water history of the site that
Spirit has surrendered its roving life to solve.



From baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Jan 25 19:25:47 2010
From: baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:25:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] More Funding Needed to Meet Asteroid Detection
	Mandate
Message-ID: <201001260025.o0Q0Pl6A017998@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>


http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1001/22neo/index.html

More funding needed to meet asteroid detection mandate
BY STEPHEN CLARK 
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
January 22, 2010

NASA is not doing enough to complete a mandated search for
Earth-threatening asteroids and comets because the space agency is not
receiving enough money for the problem, according to a National Research
Council report.

In a report released Friday, scientists said Congress and the
administration have not requested or appropriated funding to complete a
survey mandated in the NASA Authorization Act of 2005.

Called the George E. Brown, Jr., Near-Earth Object Survey, the detection
program was tasked with discovering 90 percent of Near-Earth Objects, or
NEOs, larger than 140 meters, or 459 feet, by 2020. NEOs of that size
would have regional or continental affects if they struck Earth.

"You have this conflict between having a very small probability of
anything bad happening, versus a terrific impact if there is a bad
event," said Irwin Shapiro, chairman of the NEO committee from the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

Congress asked the National Research Council in 2008 to determine the
best way to achieve the George Brown survey.

"If there were really a credible threat, money would flow like water,
but it may be too late if we don't do anything preparing ahead of time,"
Shapiro told Spaceflight Now in a Friday interview.

NASA currently spends about $4 million per year searching for NEOs, but
accomplishing the George Brown survey by the 2020 deadline is now
unattainable.

"To complete the George Brown survey, you're probably talking about
something like $50 million a year, at least to complete it in a
reasonable time scale," said Michael A'Hearn, the research committee's
vice chairman and an astronomy professor at the University of Maryland,
College Park.

Knowing where threatening objects are and developing viable mitigation
strategies is like buying insurance on your house, Shapiro said.

With current technologies, it may take up to a century to find the bulk
of the 140-meter class asteroids, according to scientists.

"There's no way to do it by 2020 now because there's been no funding for
it since it was mandated," A'Hearn said.

NASA is close to completing the Spaceguard project, another legislative
mandate to find 90 percent of NEOs larger than 1 kilometer, or about
3,300 feet, in diameter. Such objects are large enough to have global
affects if they impact Earth.

More than 6,700 NEOs have been discovered to date, including more than
800 objects greater than 1 kilometer in size, according to a NASA Web site.

A'Hearn said there are no known large objects that pose a credible
threat to Earth within the next century, but there are plenty of smaller
asteroids that still have not been detected.

"If we were to discover one that is about to hit us, we wouldn't know
what to do. In that sense, no one is doing enough," A'Hearn said in an
interview Friday.

The committee proposed two alternatives, one option that would
relatively quickly detect NEOs larger than 140 meters, and another that
limits costs but delays the survey.

"If completion of the survey as close to the original 2020 deadline as
possible is considered most important, a space mission conducted in
concert with observations using a suitable ground-based telescope is the
best approach," the report said. "This combination could complete the
survey well before 2030, perhaps as early as 2022 if funding were
appropriated quickly."

A'Hearn said infrared telescopes tailored for asteroid and comet surveys
have been proposed to be launched into Earth orbit or a solar orbit near
Venus, but none have been selected by NASA.

"There's nothing in the pipeline," A'Hearn said.

The WISE telescope launched by NASA in December is capable of detecting
new asteroids, but it won't come close to fulfilling the Brown survey
requirements, according to A'Hearn.

A cheaper option would be to utilize a large ground-based telescope such
as the Large Survey Synoptic Telescope, a U.S.-led observatory to be
built in Chile.

"It would detect all moving objects in the solar systme, as well as
transient objects in outer space," Shapiro said.

When the LSST facility begins observations around 2016, it could
single-handedly complete the George Brown survey. But it would cost
about $125 million to modify the telescope for NEO detections, according
to Shapiro.

In its report, the panel analyzed hypothetical funding levels of $10
million, $50 million and $250 million annually.

While $10 million would be insufficient to significantly improve NEO
observations, greater funding would permit NASA to accomplish the George
Brown survey, albeit up to 10 years late.

$50 million per year is enough funding to mount an observation campaign
with a ground-based telescope, and the $250 million funding level would
allow NASA to develop a spacecraft to detect NEOs, or even pay for
missions to demonstrate deflecting asteroids.

"Whether you try to do it in space quickly, or on the ground somewhat
more slowly, is a question of political will," A'Hearn said.

Shapiro's team also recommended searching for objects as small as 30
meters, or about 100 feet. An object about that size was the culprit of
the Tunguska event in 1908, which leveled a sizable chunk of the
Siberian wilderness.

"As we get down to these smaller objects, late discoveries are going to
become more common," A'Hearn said.

Congress also requested the National Research Council study mitigation
techniques that could be employed after an object is found heading for
Earth.

Scientists say a major part of the problem is that asteroid impacts are
not part of the U.S. defense framework.

Congress asked the White House science and technology department what
federal agency would be in charge of handling such a catastrophe, but
A'Hearn said the government may analyze Friday's report before making a
decision.

NASA, the military and homeland security agencies would likely play key
roles in such an event, but international cooperation would be imperative.

The council's researchers cited four types of mitigation, including
civil defense, slow efforts to change an object's orbit, a kinetic
impactor, and a nuclear detonation.

Civil defense, encompassing evacuations and sheltering, would be the
best method of dealing with a small object or an impact with little
warning.

"If it's small one, where civil defense is adequate, say evacuate the
state of Louisiana, in principle a couple of months would be plenty,"
A'Hearn said. "In practice, we had trouble evacuating New Orleans, let
alone a larger area."

A kinetic impactor was demonstrated during NASA's Deep Impact mission to
comet Tempel 1 in 2005. A'Hearn was the principal investigator for Deep
Impact.

"The kinetic impact is relatively ready to deploy," A'Hearn said.
"That's because we have done impacts before. We know we will need to
improve the targeting compared to the Deep Impact mission to deal with
much smaller objects."

Deliberate propulsive techniques to slowly push an object off its
trajectory toward Earth are impractical with current technologies. A
nuclear explosion would be a last resort, although it would be the only
way to guard against the most massive NEOs, the committee wrote.

It would take up to a decade, and maybe longer, to adequately design,
build and launch a spacecraft to deflect an incoming asteroid or comet,
according to A'Hearn.

"We don't even know how big a thing we need to send out there to divert
a given NEO," A'Hearn said.

But scientists must first detect an object before employing any defense
measures.

"Unexpected ones we might typically get with a year or two warning,"
A'Hearn said. "The smaller ones, where we have very incomplete
knowledge, with our present facilities, we would find most of them only
at the very last minute."

In October 2008, astronomers for the first time discovered a space rock
on course for Earth just 20 hours before impact.

Luckily, the asteroid was small, estimated to be between 7 to 16 feet
across.

"That's a one-day warning," A'Hearn said. "We could not have done
anything to prevent it, but it wasn't big enough to worry about anyway."

The small meteorite exploded in an airburst more than 20 miles above
Sudan, causing no harm or damage.

"This is the only natural disaster that we have the opportunity and know
how to guard against," Shapiro said. "We can't predict earthquakes, we
don't know how to predict hurricanes very accurately, but here's
something where we do know how to find out what's going on and even
prevent it, in most cases."



From ks1u at att.net  Mon Jan 25 19:26:04 2010
From: ks1u at att.net (George Blahun Jr)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:26:04 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth
	not outer space, says scientist
In-Reply-To: <9924D635-58BD-4DDE-B8DC-6B461357D1F6@mac.com>
References: <23711755.1264455738616.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<9924D635-58BD-4DDE-B8DC-6B461357D1F6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D08EEDE6-4AE3-4847-92FA-5C2AB172964B@att.net>

Darren and Gary:
     I agree, it may be a long shot, but one of the problems with science is it's resistance to change.  Almost every monumental discovery was met by skepticism if not outright ridicule.  Just a few years ago the mere mention of any researcher considering lights or outgassing on the moon would have caused funding cuts, rejection of tenure and likely dismissal.  Academic freedom should encompass ideas which are inherently offensive or outrageous.  Without that we are condemned to repeat the mistakes of the past and slow our acquisition of the truth.  This guy may be totally wrong, but he should be allowed to pursue his ideas.

George

From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Jan 25 19:43:55 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:43:55 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth
	not outer space, says scientist
In-Reply-To: <D08EEDE6-4AE3-4847-92FA-5C2AB172964B@att.net>
References: <23711755.1264455738616.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<9924D635-58BD-4DDE-B8DC-6B461357D1F6@mac.com>
	<D08EEDE6-4AE3-4847-92FA-5C2AB172964B@att.net>
Message-ID: <ahesl59h6rg9udi0p3bemnf5fq4f2ven6l@4ax.com>

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:26:04 -0500, you wrote:

>Darren and Gary:
>     I agree, it may be a long shot, but one of the 
>problems with science is it's resistance to change.  
>Almost every monumental discovery was met by 
>skepticism if not outright ridicule.  

Right.  I'm not going to laugh at the first guy to look for something and not
find it.  Or the second.  Or the tenth.  (When it reaches the 500th person
looking for what everone else hasn't found, then I point and laugh-- I'm looking
at you, BFRO.)


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Mon Jan 25 19:58:22 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:58:22 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
In-Reply-To: <93aaac891001251608n3aa6706cm5d163eacf450cf2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <14129.26badf0e.388f39fc@aol.com>	<696990.30729.qm@web46414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<93aaac891001251608n3aa6706cm5d163eacf450cf2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5E3E2E.3050005@meteoritesusa.com>


Though I disagree with Jason's opinion and would love to debate this 
issue in a public forum, I'm reasonably sure this has absolutely NOTHING 
to do with meteorites.

Can we please get back on topic...?

Regards,
Eric



On 1/25/2010 4:08 PM, Jason Utas wrote:
> An interesting argument, but one that has been refuted many times.
> The problem is that such occurrences are the exception the the rule,
> and studies show that, in general, guns actually cause more harm than
> good; either the people who choose own them are simply twice as likely
> to commit suicide, or the gun somehow increases the odds of their
> killing themselves by twofold, but the fact of the matter is that
> people who keep guns in their houses are significantly more likely to
> die of both suicide -- and of homicide than are their "helpless,"
> unarmed counterparts.
> Never mind the fact that keeping guns illegal and out of mainstream
> use has maintained correspondingly low gun-crime rates in European
> countries.
>
> As you can see in the websites below.
>
> http://www.guninformation.org/
>
> http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm
>
> You've got to put things in context.  Just noting one instance where a
> friend or family member has used a gun to defend his or herself
> ignores the real issue; and saying crap like "guns don't kill people,
> people kill people" is just BS.  I'm glad your aunt is safe, but, as
> has been said, her situation was the exception to the norm.
>
> I've seen this around - "Glasses don't see, eyes see."
> By your logic, we should abolish glasses because they really don't do
> anything to help people see.
>
> Ugh.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Greg Catterton
> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>    
>> Venturing off topic here and to a touch subject with many I am sure, but I would like to add a thought...
>>
>> My aunt was almost raped several years ago by a known rapist who broke into her house... the only thing that prevented it was the fact she was able to get to my uncles handgun and defend herself. Try to tell her firearms are bad, it probably saved her life, without a doubt, it saved her from severe mental and physical harm.
>>
>> In a world where there is restrictive gun laws and everyday citizens are not allowed to keep firearms, only the law breakers will have them.
>> Does a world full of gun carrying criminals scare you more then law abiding people PROPERLY traind in safe gun handling?
>>
>> Have you ever heard of 2 people getting into a fight and one of them go to a car and get a gun? Have you ever seen 2 guns get into a fight and one of them go to get a person?
>>
>> Guns dont kill, people do. People get stabbed to death all the time, should butter knives be illegal? What about baseball bats?
>>
>> A firearm is a tool just the same as a hammer, an axe or any other object.
>> What makes it "bad" is the person who holds it.
>>
>> Just my opinions.
>>
>> Hope everyone is doing well, have fun in Tucson, wish I could have made it this year!
>>
>> Greg C.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Impactika at aol.com<Impactika at aol.com>  wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> From: Impactika at aol.com<Impactika at aol.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
>>> To: valparint at aol.com, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:16 PM
>>> Oh no, you won't!
>>> Not in Room 230 in the InnSuites, no you won't.
>>> I don't allow those "things" in my home and I won't allow
>>> them there either.
>>> I agree with Larry. There is no room for guns in a polite
>>> society.
>>>
>>> Anne M. Black
>>> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
>>> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_
>>> (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
>>>
>>> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>>> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:45:25 AM Mountain Standard
>>> Time,
>>> valparint at aol.com
>>> writes:
>>> No worries, Graham.
>>>
>>> You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can
>>> carry it in the open.
>>>
>>> Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society
>>> is a polite
>>> society.
>>>
>>> Paul Swartz
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Hi Graham:
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could
>>>>          
>>> walk around the
>>>        
>>>> show with a sidearm or a bullwhip.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>          
>>>
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan 25 20:16:50 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 1:16:50 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Riot of  over 300 regmaglypts!
In-Reply-To: <D2DB3FFE827741A7815F5D9818D86F97@D190TH71>
Message-ID: <20100126011650.U1XD8.130730.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Hi All,

For all those who get excited by the aesthetic qualities and beauty of flight marked meteorites I would like to share photographs of an 8kg UNWA which I have been working on. Initially this was covered in caliche and concretions hiding most of what was underneath, although it was possible to tell that it was an almost complete specimen initially covered in thumbprints. It is very weathered with many fractures but remnant fusion crust. It has taken many hours slowly removing the caliche without removing remnant crust or creating 'false' regmaglypts.

I know some purists would rather see specimens in their 'found' state, but I just couldn't resist trying to bring this ugly duckling back to life. Just imagine what this must have looked like on the day it fell.

http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/8kgUNWA/

Graham, Nr Barwell, UK


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Mon Jan 25 20:20:16 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:20:16 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Riot of  over 300 regmaglypts!
In-Reply-To: <20100126011650.U1XD8.130730.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <20100126011650.U1XD8.130730.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <4B5E4350.2050301@meteoritesusa.com>

GORGEOUS!

Regards,
Eric



On 1/25/2010 5:16 PM, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> For all those who get excited by the aesthetic qualities and beauty of flight marked meteorites I would like to share photographs of an 8kg UNWA which I have been working on. Initially this was covered in caliche and concretions hiding most of what was underneath, although it was possible to tell that it was an almost complete specimen initially covered in thumbprints. It is very weathered with many fractures but remnant fusion crust. It has taken many hours slowly removing the caliche without removing remnant crust or creating 'false' regmaglypts.
>
> I know some purists would rather see specimens in their 'found' state, but I just couldn't resist trying to bring this ugly duckling back to life. Just imagine what this must have looked like on the day it fell.
>
> http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/8kgUNWA/
>
> Graham, Nr Barwell, UK
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From schraderj at rocketmail.com  Mon Jan 25 20:28:29 2010
From: schraderj at rocketmail.com (Jack Schrader)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:28:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw:  Introducing Thumb Butte
Message-ID: <713050.5376.qm@web111007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Congratulations Todd on the classification and naming of your cold find!? What a great name for a meteorite as well.... "Thumb Butte".? Way to go! 



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Wayne Holmes <holmesw at frontiernet.net>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 3:06:20 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte

Congratulations to Todd Parker on his new classification Thumb Butte.

One nicely Oriented 104 g specimen H3.8 Chondrite. Todd found this specimen while hunting in the Bullhead/Laughlin area in Mar, 2008. This is the first of Todds 4 new cold finds to be classified.

Check out the pictures on my website (first page, scroll down).

http://www.meteoritesrock.com/index.html





Thumb Butte? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 35? 10.196?N 114? 27.351? W

? ? Mojave County, Arizona, USA

? ? Find: 1 March 2008

? ? Ordinary chondrite (H3.8)

History: Mr. Todd Parker found a 104 g stone on a small, alluvium-covered flat just west of Thumb Butte and 4 miles east of Bullhead City, Mojave Co., Arizona.

Physical characteristics: The single stone is mostly covered by moderately weathered reddish-brown fusion crust.

Petrography (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU):? Chondrules have sharp outlines with a mean diameter of ~0.4 mm. Matrix is slightly recrystallzed with some remnant calcic glass. Chondrule mesostasis is clear to turbid and several chondrules are armored with metal and minor FeS. Contains olivine, orthopyroxene, kamacite, FeS, taenite, merrillite, Cl-apatite, chromite and a trace of plagioclase. Fresh interior with reddish staining, weathering grade is W1. Shock level is S2.

Mineral compositions: Olivine, Fa17.3 - 24; orthopyroxene, Fs15.7 - 19.1Wo 1.5 - 2.3; taenite Ni = 41.2 wt%; chromite cr# = 86.

Classification: Ordinary chondrite (H3.8).

Type specimen: 20 g are on deposit at NAU. Mr. Todd Parker holds the main mass.

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From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 20:48:37 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:48:37 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Riot of over 300 regmaglypts!
In-Reply-To: <20100126011650.U1XD8.130730.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <D2DB3FFE827741A7815F5D9818D86F97@D190TH71>
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Beautiful work Graham! :)

Do you have any "before " photos?

Best regards,

MikeG


On 1/25/10, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> For all those who get excited by the aesthetic qualities and beauty of
> flight marked meteorites I would like to share photographs of an 8kg UNWA
> which I have been working on. Initially this was covered in caliche and
> concretions hiding most of what was underneath, although it was possible to
> tell that it was an almost complete specimen initially covered in
> thumbprints. It is very weathered with many fractures but remnant fusion
> crust. It has taken many hours slowly removing the caliche without removing
> remnant crust or creating 'false' regmaglypts.
>
> I know some purists would rather see specimens in their 'found' state, but I
> just couldn't resist trying to bring this ugly duckling back to life. Just
> imagine what this must have looked like on the day it fell.
>
> http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/8kgUNWA/
>
> Graham, Nr Barwell, UK
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 25 20:50:14 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:50:14 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth
	not outer space, says scientist
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Dear Count,

    First, one should always be cautious about
UK tabloid "news" and the ways in which they
present things.

    Secondly, before saying somebody is
"purported to be a physicist," you ought to
check him out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Davies

    Honestly, I disagree with a lot of Davies
ideas on a host of technical things but he has
a point here.

    The Earth has the survivors of microbes
that thrived and were wide-spread when the
Earth was very different from what it is now.
We have microbes who love boiling water, who
eat sulfur, who think oxygen is poison, who
will never be happy until there's hydrogen
sulfide everywhere and the oceans are purple.

    These ancient forms have been pushed
back into the corners of our present environment,
reduced in number but hanging on by the skin
of their teeth.

    IF an truly alien microbe or a non-DNA
lifeform ever made it to Earth and didn't die
instantly, it might well find refuge in an even
deeper pocket of out-of-the-way. It could just sit
there for billions of years and gripe about this
lousy planet.

    I think Davies' real point is that we DON'T
LOOK to see if there is anything (anybody?)
there. If you never look, you never find, just
like with meteorites.


Sterling K. Webb
------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:42 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth 
not outer space, says scientist


> Hello List,
>
> Here's a fellow who must stay so far back in his laboratory at AU that 
> they mail him daylight.
> Professor Paul Davies, purported to be a physicist, has "alien life" 
> sitting in the meteorite collection down the hall from him...so to 
> speak..and he makes this idiotic pronouncement. All he accomplished 
> was to show his ignorance of the current science and provide fodder 
> for the argument against tenure.
>
> I thought when I read the caption on this release that it was going to 
> show some recognition of the fact that "alien life " has already been 
> discovered in martian meteorites...albeit dead and fossilized...and 
> that most of his colleagues agree that meteorites brought "life" to 
> this planet.
>
> If Davies wants to discover "alien life"...he should look in a mirror.
>
> Here's the link.
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7068765/The-search-for-aliens-should-start-on-Earth-not-outer-space-says-scientist.html
>
> On to Tucson,
>
> Count Deiro
> IMCA 3536
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From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 21:20:13 2010
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (meteoritefinder at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:20:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Riot of  over 300 regmaglypts!
Message-ID: <649738.67509.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Graham,

I think you absolutely did the right thing. Very nicely done, and a gorgeous stone! 

Congrats,
Robert Woolard


On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:16 PM, <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:

Hi All,

 It has taken many hours slowly removing the caliche without removing remnant crust or creating 'false' regmaglypts.

I know some purists would rather see specimens in their 'found' state, but I just couldn't resist trying to bring this ugly duckling back to life.

http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/8kgUNWA/

Graham, Nr Barwell, UK
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From stm at bellsouth.net  Mon Jan 25 21:22:36 2010
From: stm at bellsouth.net (Sean T. Murray)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:22:36 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw:  Introducing Thumb Butte
In-Reply-To: <713050.5376.qm@web111007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <713050.5376.qm@web111007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <076F16699F0849C8907137DE403B3891@Platinum2>

Congrats Todd!  Looking forward to seeing the info on your other 3 cold 
finds!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Schrader" <schraderj at rocketmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:28 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Introducing Thumb Butte


Congratulations Todd on the classification and naming of your cold find! 
What a great name for a meteorite as well.... "Thumb Butte". Way to go!



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Wayne Holmes <holmesw at frontiernet.net>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 3:06:20 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte

Congratulations to Todd Parker on his new classification Thumb Butte.

One nicely Oriented 104 g specimen H3.8 Chondrite. Todd found this specimen 
while hunting in the Bullhead/Laughlin area in Mar, 2008. This is the first 
of Todds 4 new cold finds to be classified.

Check out the pictures on my website (first page, scroll down).

http://www.meteoritesrock.com/index.html





Thumb Butte 35? 10.196?N 114? 27.351? W

Mojave County, Arizona, USA

Find: 1 March 2008

Ordinary chondrite (H3.8)

History: Mr. Todd Parker found a 104 g stone on a small, alluvium-covered 
flat just west of Thumb Butte and 4 miles east of Bullhead City, Mojave Co., 
Arizona.

Physical characteristics: The single stone is mostly covered by moderately 
weathered reddish-brown fusion crust.

Petrography (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): Chondrules have sharp outlines 
with a mean diameter of ~0.4 mm. Matrix is slightly recrystallzed with some 
remnant calcic glass. Chondrule mesostasis is clear to turbid and several 
chondrules are armored with metal and minor FeS. Contains olivine, 
orthopyroxene, kamacite, FeS, taenite, merrillite, Cl-apatite, chromite and 
a trace of plagioclase. Fresh interior with reddish staining, weathering 
grade is W1. Shock level is S2.

Mineral compositions: Olivine, Fa17.3 - 24; orthopyroxene, Fs15.7 - 19.1Wo 
1.5 - 2.3; taenite Ni = 41.2 wt%; chromite cr# = 86.

Classification: Ordinary chondrite (H3.8).

Type specimen: 20 g are on deposit at NAU. Mr. Todd Parker holds the main 
mass.

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From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Mon Jan 25 21:33:26 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:33:26 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte
In-Reply-To: <000d01ca9e0a$a138b470$0200a8c0@Buckaroos>
References: <000d01ca9e0a$a138b470$0200a8c0@Buckaroos>
Message-ID: <4B5E5476.3070101@meteoritesusa.com>

Congrats Todd! Great find.

Eric

On 1/25/2010 2:06 PM, Wayne Holmes wrote:
> Congratulations to Todd Parker on his new classification Thumb Butte.
>
> One nicely Oriented 104 g specimen H3.8 Chondrite. Todd found this 
> specimen while hunting in the Bullhead/Laughlin area in Mar, 2008. 
> This is the first of Todds 4 new cold finds to be classified.
>
> Check out the pictures on my website (first page, scroll down).
>
> http://www.meteoritesrock.com/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
> Thumb Butte                          35? 10.196?N 114? 27.351? W
>
>     Mojave County, Arizona, USA
>
>     Find: 1 March 2008
>
>     Ordinary chondrite (H3.8)
>
> History: Mr. Todd Parker found a 104 g stone on a small, 
> alluvium-covered flat just west of Thumb Butte and 4 miles east of 
> Bullhead City, Mojave Co., Arizona.
>
> Physical characteristics: The single stone is mostly covered by 
> moderately weathered reddish-brown fusion crust.
>
> Petrography (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU):  Chondrules have sharp 
> outlines with a mean diameter of ~0.4 mm. Matrix is slightly 
> recrystallzed with some remnant calcic glass. Chondrule mesostasis is 
> clear to turbid and several chondrules are armored with metal and 
> minor FeS. Contains olivine, orthopyroxene, kamacite, FeS, taenite, 
> merrillite, Cl-apatite, chromite and a trace of plagioclase. Fresh 
> interior with reddish staining, weathering grade is W1. Shock level is 
> S2.
>
> Mineral compositions: Olivine, Fa17.3 - 24; orthopyroxene, Fs15.7 - 
> 19.1Wo 1.5 - 2.3; taenite Ni = 41.2 wt%; chromite cr# = 86.
>
> Classification: Ordinary chondrite (H3.8).
>
> Type specimen: 20 g are on deposit at NAU. Mr. Todd Parker holds the 
> main mass.
>
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From ensoramanda at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan 25 21:38:12 2010
From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com (ensoramanda at ntlworld.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 2:38:12 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Riot of  over 300 regmaglypts!
In-Reply-To: <649738.67509.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100126023812.25GU9.130907.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>

Robert,

Thanks...I think it is always a difficult decision knowing what to do with a new acquisition. Do you restore, preserve, cut etc etc. This was purchased with the view to cleaning and is not likely to be anything but a very weathered ordinary chondrite but had such aesthetic potential. With some pieces it would be sacrilege to even think of cleaning off their characteristic natural patina, or cutting into oriented flowing crust. Others need delicate preservation to stop them ending up as a pile of rust but without changing their appearance or are such precious material that even touching with a slightly greasy finger would be wrong.

I find the whole business of curating a collection quite fascinating.

Regards,

Graham



  
---- "meteoritefinder at yahoo.com" <meteoritefinder at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Graham,
> 
> I think you absolutely did the right thing. Very nicely done, and a gorgeous stone! 
> 
> Congrats,
> Robert Woolard
> 
> 
> On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:16 PM, <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
>  It has taken many hours slowly removing the caliche without removing remnant crust or creating 'false' regmaglypts.
> 
> I know some purists would rather see specimens in their 'found' state, but I just couldn't resist trying to bring this ugly duckling back to life.
> 
> http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/8kgUNWA/
> 
> Graham, Nr Barwell, UK
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From mrmeteorite at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 21:39:50 2010
From: mrmeteorite at gmail.com (Ruben Garcia)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:39:50 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte
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Hey Adam,

I always like the term I coined "Unique Find" but yours has a better
ring to it. I now use "Cold Find" too. I never knew who came up with
it though. Good to know who to blame :)



>
> I like that the term "cold find" is being applied to meteorites since I coined it several years ago. ?It is just a spin on treasure hunting terms "wet find" and "dry find" that apply to something which was either found in the water or on land.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 25 21:43:06 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:43:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth
 not outer space, says scientist
Message-ID: <12255226.1264473786850.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Dear Sterling,

I agree with you. It was a cheap shot for me to say " purported to be a physicist". I regret making the aside and trust, if he hears of the remark, the good Professor Davies will forgive me. 

The point that I went over the top trying to make is that all life on earth is native to it. If we find a new species here ...it is just that...a new species. When we meet a new form of life off world...it is that which should be called "alien".

Guido 

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
>Sent: Jan 25, 2010 8:50 PM
>To: countdeiro at earthlink.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist
>
>Dear Count,
>
>    First, one should always be cautious about
>UK tabloid "news" and the ways in which they
>present things.
>
>    Secondly, before saying somebody is
>"purported to be a physicist," you ought to
>check him out:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Davies
>
>    Honestly, I disagree with a lot of Davies
>ideas on a host of technical things but he has
>a point here.
>
>    The Earth has the survivors of microbes
>that thrived and were wide-spread when the
>Earth was very different from what it is now.
>We have microbes who love boiling water, who
>eat sulfur, who think oxygen is poison, who
>will never be happy until there's hydrogen
>sulfide everywhere and the oceans are purple.
>
>    These ancient forms have been pushed
>back into the corners of our present environment,
>reduced in number but hanging on by the skin
>of their teeth.
>
>    IF an truly alien microbe or a non-DNA
>lifeform ever made it to Earth and didn't die
>instantly, it might well find refuge in an even
>deeper pocket of out-of-the-way. It could just sit
>there for billions of years and gripe about this
>lousy planet.
>
>    I think Davies' real point is that we DON'T
>LOOK to see if there is anything (anybody?)
>there. If you never look, you never find, just
>like with meteorites.
>
>
>Sterling K. Webb
>------------------------------------------------------------
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:42 PM
>Subject: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth 
>not outer space, says scientist
>
>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> Here's a fellow who must stay so far back in his laboratory at AU that 
>> they mail him daylight.
>> Professor Paul Davies, purported to be a physicist, has "alien life" 
>> sitting in the meteorite collection down the hall from him...so to 
>> speak..and he makes this idiotic pronouncement. All he accomplished 
>> was to show his ignorance of the current science and provide fodder 
>> for the argument against tenure.
>>
>> I thought when I read the caption on this release that it was going to 
>> show some recognition of the fact that "alien life " has already been 
>> discovered in martian meteorites...albeit dead and fossilized...and 
>> that most of his colleagues agree that meteorites brought "life" to 
>> this planet.
>>
>> If Davies wants to discover "alien life"...he should look in a mirror.
>>
>> Here's the link.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7068765/The-search-for-aliens-should-start-on-Earth-not-outer-space-says-scientist.html
>>
>> On to Tucson,
>>
>> Count Deiro
>> IMCA 3536
>> ______________________________________________
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>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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>



From waltbranch at bellsouth.net  Mon Jan 25 21:54:19 2010
From: waltbranch at bellsouth.net (Walter Branch)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:54:19 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482
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	<6B14A57590A14DAF94DE49E36091B05F@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <07FFF47C958B42B6841A0DA592BD399F@acer330bb84976>

Hello Everyone,

I have a couple of questions about lunar meteorite NWA 482.

Dealers and re-sellers of this meteorite often note that NWA 482 originates 
from the lunar farside.

Randy Korotov notes that there no scientific evidence that any particular 
lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside.  See for example,
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm

Dealers and re-sellers, what is the evidence that NWA 482 origiantes from 
the lunar farside?

Randy, why did you write that there is no scientific evidence that any 
particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside?

In fact, I would welcome any scientists opinion on this issue.

Thanks,

-Walter Branch



From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Mon Jan 25 22:26:20 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:26:20 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
Message-ID: <4B5E60DC.6080905@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Everyone,

I'm not too sure how to broach the subject without stepping on toes, so 
I say this will all due respect to everyone who would be offended by the 
questions.

I've been reading "Meteorites" by Caroline Smith, Sara Russell, and 
Gretchen Benedix, Firefly Books, 2009. Lovely book, with lots of 
information on meteorites, their origins, and composition, with loads of 
illustrations and great photography.

As I was flipping through I found a mention about the total weight of 
meteoritic material which falls on our planet every year. On page 89 it 
states "...approximately 40,000-60,000 t of extraterrestrial material 
lands on Earth every year, the majority of which is in the form of tiny 
dust grains usually less than 1 mm (1/25 in) in size; importantly, most 
of this dust is believed to originate from comets..."

Doesn't this go against what science tells us about meteor showers? 
Don't the particles and sand-grain sized particles burn up in the 
atmosphere like science tells us they do? And if they don't burn up 
completely why does just about every text on meteors say they do? And if 
that the case, then how is it possible to weigh something that doesn't 
exist, anymore?

I've read this in other places as well, some sources say that there is 
thousands of tons to millions of tons of meteoritic material landing on 
Earth every year. Yet...

We all "know" that small dust to sand grain sized particles burn up high 
in the atmosphere, and there is debate on what it takes, or rather how 
large meteoroids must be to reach the ground and become meteorites. We 
know Asteroid  2008 TC3 was small but much larger than dust. So if a 3-6 
meter asteroid can hit Earth, how small of a piece of debris can make it 
to Earth through the atmosphere? How big was Whetstone Mountain before 
entering our atmosphere? There was not much of that piece recovered, and 
the video showed 3 distinct fragments flying briefly through the field 
of view of the camera. West Texas was a daylight fireball seen from 
hundreds of miles away, and it produced a good bit of material. Buzzard 
Coulee too. These recent meteorite falls have been hunted by a large 
number of very professional meteorite hunters and scientists and yet the 
TKW of the falls are small except maybe the BC fall. Buzzard Coulee had 
a HUGE 13 kilo piece 
http://www.skyriver.ca/astro/bruce/marsden_meteorite%205.JPG that 
impacted the ground and hundreds of other smaller stones recovered.

So how big "does" a meteoroid have to be to reach the ground? Do we 
really know?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA


From cynapse at charter.net  Mon Jan 25 22:43:08 2010
From: cynapse at charter.net (Darren Garrison)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:43:08 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth
	not outer space, says scientist
In-Reply-To: <12255226.1264473786850.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <12255226.1264473786850.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <f0osl55dgbsr7odvtqfj8lleaevris6lq5@4ax.com>

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:43:06 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

>
>The point that I went over the top trying to make is that 
>all life on earth is native to it. 

Unless the first life was native to Mars, or maybe Venus, and hitched a ride
here during the Late Heavy Bombardment...

>If we find a new species here ...it is just that...a new 
>species. When we meet a new form of life off world...
>it is that which should be called "alien".

I think the problem is in concidering "alien" to mean only "life from another
planet" when what he really means is "really, really frickin' weird."  Something
more different from everything living today than _E._coli_ is from Michael
Bubl?.  Something that predates LUCA, as there must once have been such
organisms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_universal_ancestor


From fcressy at prodigy.net  Mon Jan 25 22:49:05 2010
From: fcressy at prodigy.net (Frank Cressy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:49:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482
In-Reply-To: <07FFF47C958B42B6841A0DA592BD399F@acer330bb84976>
References: <23711755.1264455738616.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<6B14A57590A14DAF94DE49E36091B05F@ATARIENGINE2>
	<07FFF47C958B42B6841A0DA592BD399F@acer330bb84976>
Message-ID: <913039.9754.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Walter and all,

I believe that the "lunar farside" origin of NWA 482 comes from the linked article below:

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/nwa482/nwa482farside.htm

Cheers,

Frank



----- Original Message ----
From: Walter Branch <waltbranch at bellsouth.net>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 6:54:19 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482

Hello Everyone,

I have a couple of questions about lunar meteorite NWA 482.

Dealers and re-sellers of this meteorite often note that NWA 482 originates from the lunar farside.

Randy Korotov notes that there no scientific evidence that any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside.? See for example,
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm

Dealers and re-sellers, what is the evidence that NWA 482 origiantes from the lunar farside?

Randy, why did you write that there is no scientific evidence that any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside?

In fact, I would welcome any scientists opinion on this issue.

Thanks,

-Walter Branch

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From meteoritefinder at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 23:57:56 2010
From: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com (Robert Woolard)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:57:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
Message-ID: <461264.43464.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Eric,

? I'm very sure others on the List will supply you with much better info in short order, but here are 3 quick "quotes" I found that states that very tiny micrometeorites make it through the atmosphere without burning up. I've read better explanations (it involves the ratio of surface area to weight) but I can't find it right now. Like I said, I know others will explain it better, but perhaps this will be of some interest to you:

1. A meteor, or shooting star is produced by the heating and vaporization of meteoroids which enter earth's atmosphere at high speeds. Most are about the size of a grain of sand. An average of about six per hour can be seen by a patient observer on a clear night. Several times as many may be seen during a meteor shower, when the earth encounters a swarm of meteoroids. 


2. Meteorites are the remains of meteoroids which were large enough to survive the trip through the atmosphere, and thus reach the ground after a fiery descent. Micrometeorites are so small that they slow down before burning up, and land gently as dust particles. 

3. Small meteors (about 1--10 grams in mass down to almost a nanogram (0.000000001 gram)) burn up in the Earth?s atmosphere before reaching the ground. Extremely small-sized particles (very fine dust) can make it through the atmosphere unmelted. Meteors larger than about 10 grams are partly melted, but the interior reaches Earth?s surface intact.


? Best wishes,
? Robert Woolard
 
--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:

> From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 9:26 PM
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I'm not too sure how to broach the subject without stepping
> on toes, so I say this will all due respect to everyone who
> would be offended by the questions.
> 
> I've been reading "Meteorites" by Caroline Smith, Sara
> Russell, and Gretchen Benedix, Firefly Books, 2009. Lovely
> book, with lots of information on meteorites, their origins,
> and composition, with loads of illustrations and great
> photography.
> 
> As I was flipping through I found a mention about the total
> weight of meteoritic material which falls on our planet
> every year. On page 89 it states "...approximately
> 40,000-60,000 t of extraterrestrial material lands on Earth
> every year, the majority of which is in the form of tiny
> dust grains usually less than 1 mm (1/25 in) in size;
> importantly, most of this dust is believed to originate from
> comets..."
> 
> Doesn't this go against what science tells us about meteor
> showers? Don't the particles and sand-grain sized particles
> burn up in the atmosphere like science tells us they do? And
> if they don't burn up completely why does just about every
> text on meteors say they do? And if that the case, then how
> is it possible to weigh something that doesn't exist,
> anymore?
> 
> I've read this in other places as well, some sources say
> that there is thousands of tons to millions of tons of
> meteoritic material landing on Earth every year. Yet...
> 
> We all "know" that small dust to sand grain sized particles
> burn up high in the atmosphere, and there is debate on what
> it takes, or rather how large meteoroids must be to reach
> the ground and become meteorites. We know Asteroid?
> 2008 TC3 was small but much larger than dust. So if a 3-6
> meter asteroid can hit Earth, how small of a piece of debris
> can make it to Earth through the atmosphere? How big was
> Whetstone Mountain before entering our atmosphere? There was
> not much of that piece recovered, and the video showed 3
> distinct fragments flying briefly through the field of view
> of the camera. West Texas was a daylight fireball seen from
> hundreds of miles away, and it produced a good bit of
> material. Buzzard Coulee too. These recent meteorite falls
> have been hunted by a large number of very professional
> meteorite hunters and scientists and yet the TKW of the
> falls are small except maybe the BC fall. Buzzard Coulee had
> a HUGE 13 kilo piece http://www.skyriver.ca/astro/bruce/marsden_meteorite%205.JPG
> that impacted the ground and hundreds of other smaller
> stones recovered.
> 
> So how big "does" a meteoroid have to be to reach the
> ground? Do we really know?
> 
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
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> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From arizonakeith at cox.net  Tue Jan 26 00:39:19 2010
From: arizonakeith at cox.net (Arizona Keith)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:39:19 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Few more photos added Tucson Show
Message-ID: <7E5DC9AA7F0C4D30954712D9BFC076E5@Keith2>

Hello List

Added a few more photos taken today at the show, will keep adding more for 
the next few week and if I have the time.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46923697 at N06/sets/72157623154261599/

Keith V.
Chandler AZ 



From sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 26 01:05:17 2010
From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net (Sterling K. Webb)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:05:17 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
References: <4B5E60DC.6080905@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <C3336A1D930640AFA414ACDAE4E30773@ATARIENGINE2>

Hi, Eric,

The Earth collects dust. Not just from meteors
and meteoroids burning up in the atmosphere
but directly from space. The Earth gravitationally
collects solar wind particles, zodaical dust,
interplanetary dust, interstellar dust, cometary
dust, dust from a variety of sources. Whoops! I
left out intergalactic dust...

Dust falls in slowly and takes months (or years)
to settle to the surface. It can be measured in the
layers of ocean sediments and icecap cores.

How much dust accumulates is hard to measure,
so the amount has been a long-running question.
Here's a really good discussion of the dust question:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moon-dust.html
although it's in the context of an "age of the Earth"
argument with Creationists.

Interplanetary dust is hard to analyse because it's so tiny:
http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/simple_template.cfm?code=resources_dust&CFID=4156261&CFTOKEN=70584526

Here's an interview with Don Brownlee ("Mr. Dust"):
http://euro.astrobio.net/interview/742/extraterrestrial-capture

A good summary of all the kinds of dust from "out there":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_dust

Or, just Google "interplanetary dust" and you will
find many, many sources of information on dust infall:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=interplanetary+dust+&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq=
then Google "interstellar dust" and Google "zodaical dust"
and...

Space is dusty. The Earth is dusty. And best of all,
the Internet is dusty. Lots of information out there.

Best of all, you can collect rainwater, then extract the
metallic dust from it with magnets. Most of the dust will
be human produced smoke dust, but the tiny dull metallic
spheres are probably "cosmic" dust. Every time you walk
out the door, you're stepping on cosmic dust. It's everywhere.
If you spend a fair amount of time out in the open air, you
probably have some cosmic dust incorporated into your body.

I'm going to stop now, before I start singing that Joni
Mitchell song...


Sterling K. Webb
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:26 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites


> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm not too sure how to broach the subject without stepping on toes, 
> so I say this will all due respect to everyone who would be offended 
> by the questions.
>
> I've been reading "Meteorites" by Caroline Smith, Sara Russell, and 
> Gretchen Benedix, Firefly Books, 2009. Lovely book, with lots of 
> information on meteorites, their origins, and composition, with loads 
> of illustrations and great photography.
>
> As I was flipping through I found a mention about the total weight of 
> meteoritic material which falls on our planet every year. On page 89 
> it states "...approximately 40,000-60,000 t of extraterrestrial 
> material lands on Earth every year, the majority of which is in the 
> form of tiny dust grains usually less than 1 mm (1/25 in) in size; 
> importantly, most of this dust is believed to originate from 
> comets..."
>
> Doesn't this go against what science tells us about meteor showers? 
> Don't the particles and sand-grain sized particles burn up in the 
> atmosphere like science tells us they do? And if they don't burn up 
> completely why does just about every text on meteors say they do? And 
> if that the case, then how is it possible to weigh something that 
> doesn't exist, anymore?
>
> I've read this in other places as well, some sources say that there is 
> thousands of tons to millions of tons of meteoritic material landing 
> on Earth every year. Yet...
>
> We all "know" that small dust to sand grain sized particles burn up 
> high in the atmosphere, and there is debate on what it takes, or 
> rather how large meteoroids must be to reach the ground and become 
> meteorites. We know Asteroid  2008 TC3 was small but much larger than 
> dust. So if a 3-6 meter asteroid can hit Earth, how small of a piece 
> of debris can make it to Earth through the atmosphere? How big was 
> Whetstone Mountain before entering our atmosphere? There was not much 
> of that piece recovered, and the video showed 3 distinct fragments 
> flying briefly through the field of view of the camera. West Texas was 
> a daylight fireball seen from hundreds of miles away, and it produced 
> a good bit of material. Buzzard Coulee too. These recent meteorite 
> falls have been hunted by a large number of very professional 
> meteorite hunters and scientists and yet the TKW of the falls are 
> small except maybe the BC fall. Buzzard Coulee had a HUGE 13 kilo 
> piece http://www.skyriver.ca/astro/bruce/marsden_meteorite%205.JPG 
> that impacted the ground and hundreds of other smaller stones 
> recovered.
>
> So how big "does" a meteoroid have to be to reach the ground? Do we 
> really know?
>
> Regards,
> Eric Wichman
> Meteorites USA
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at 
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 



From star_wars_collector at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 26 01:08:54 2010
From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com (Greg Catterton)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:08:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] An offer to metlist members
Message-ID: <745689.73317.qm@web46413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hey, hope everyone is doing well.

I would like to offer you all the chance to ask questions about testing and classification with the person that does it for me.

Anthony works as a geologist at Appalachian State University and is a great guy who goes out of his way to help me and I have learned a good deal from him. I would like to share the opportunity for others to "pick his brain" and hopefully learn a little bit about what is involved with testing and classification of meteorites.

He has kindly agreed to do an ongoing Q&A session on my forum.
You will need to sign up to post a question, but Anthony will answer it as he has the time. 

Feel free to ask him any questions you have about the testing and classification process or just meteorites in general. If he does not have an answer, I am sure he would be able to point you in the right direction.

You can find my forum here:
http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/index.php?mforum=wwwmeteoritesto

The thread for questions for him is under the "Meteorite Discussion" section and it titled "Q&A with Anthony"

I am currently working on the site a bit, but there will be no downtime.
Even if you dont want to sign up, stop by and check it out. There is some good info on it and I am working to make it even more educational and informative.

While its still fairly new, its moderated by 2 members of the IMCA and has some really great members who are all very nice.

Greg C.


      


From gmhupe at htn.net  Tue Jan 26 01:22:09 2010
From: gmhupe at htn.net (Greg Hupe)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:22:09 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
References: <4B5E60DC.6080905@meteoritesusa.com>
	<C3336A1D930640AFA414ACDAE4E30773@ATARIENGINE2>
Message-ID: <752389414EA248B19BAE27818094887B@Gregor>

Hi Sterling,

I always enjoy your 'down-to-earth' reasoning! Thank you! :-)
Greg

====================
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The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe at htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
====================
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http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>; "Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites


> Hi, Eric,
>
> The Earth collects dust. Not just from meteors
> and meteoroids burning up in the atmosphere
> but directly from space. The Earth gravitationally
> collects solar wind particles, zodaical dust,
> interplanetary dust, interstellar dust, cometary
> dust, dust from a variety of sources. Whoops! I
> left out intergalactic dust...
>
> Dust falls in slowly and takes months (or years)
> to settle to the surface. It can be measured in the
> layers of ocean sediments and icecap cores.
>
> How much dust accumulates is hard to measure,
> so the amount has been a long-running question.
> Here's a really good discussion of the dust question:
> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moon-dust.html
> although it's in the context of an "age of the Earth"
> argument with Creationists.
>
> Interplanetary dust is hard to analyse because it's so tiny:
> http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/simple_template.cfm?code=resources_dust&CFID=4156261&CFTOKEN=70584526
>
> Here's an interview with Don Brownlee ("Mr. Dust"):
> http://euro.astrobio.net/interview/742/extraterrestrial-capture
>
> A good summary of all the kinds of dust from "out there":
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_dust
>
> Or, just Google "interplanetary dust" and you will
> find many, many sources of information on dust infall:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=interplanetary+dust+&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq=
> then Google "interstellar dust" and Google "zodaical dust"
> and...
>
> Space is dusty. The Earth is dusty. And best of all,
> the Internet is dusty. Lots of information out there.
>
> Best of all, you can collect rainwater, then extract the
> metallic dust from it with magnets. Most of the dust will
> be human produced smoke dust, but the tiny dull metallic
> spheres are probably "cosmic" dust. Every time you walk
> out the door, you're stepping on cosmic dust. It's everywhere.
> If you spend a fair amount of time out in the open air, you
> probably have some cosmic dust incorporated into your body.
>
> I'm going to stop now, before I start singing that Joni
> Mitchell song...
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:26 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
>
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm not too sure how to broach the subject without stepping on toes, so I 
>> say this will all due respect to everyone who would be offended by the 
>> questions.
>>
>> I've been reading "Meteorites" by Caroline Smith, Sara Russell, and 
>> Gretchen Benedix, Firefly Books, 2009. Lovely book, with lots of 
>> information on meteorites, their origins, and composition, with loads of 
>> illustrations and great photography.
>>
>> As I was flipping through I found a mention about the total weight of 
>> meteoritic material which falls on our planet every year. On page 89 it 
>> states "...approximately 40,000-60,000 t of extraterrestrial material 
>> lands on Earth every year, the majority of which is in the form of tiny 
>> dust grains usually less than 1 mm (1/25 in) in size; importantly, most 
>> of this dust is believed to originate from comets..."
>>
>> Doesn't this go against what science tells us about meteor showers? Don't 
>> the particles and sand-grain sized particles burn up in the atmosphere 
>> like science tells us they do? And if they don't burn up completely why 
>> does just about every text on meteors say they do? And if that the case, 
>> then how is it possible to weigh something that doesn't exist, anymore?
>>
>> I've read this in other places as well, some sources say that there is 
>> thousands of tons to millions of tons of meteoritic material landing on 
>> Earth every year. Yet...
>>
>> We all "know" that small dust to sand grain sized particles burn up high 
>> in the atmosphere, and there is debate on what it takes, or rather how 
>> large meteoroids must be to reach the ground and become meteorites. We 
>> know Asteroid  2008 TC3 was small but much larger than dust. So if a 3-6 
>> meter asteroid can hit Earth, how small of a piece of debris can make it 
>> to Earth through the atmosphere? How big was Whetstone Mountain before 
>> entering our atmosphere? There was not much of that piece recovered, and 
>> the video showed 3 distinct fragments flying briefly through the field of 
>> view of the camera. West Texas was a daylight fireball seen from hundreds 
>> of miles away, and it produced a good bit of material. Buzzard Coulee 
>> too. These recent meteorite falls have been hunted by a large number of 
>> very professional meteorite hunters and scientists and yet the TKW of the 
>> falls are small except maybe the BC fall. Buzzard Coulee had a HUGE 13 
>> kilo piece http://www.skyriver.ca/astro/bruce/marsden_meteorite%205.JPG 
>> that impacted the ground and hundreds of other smaller stones recovered.
>>
>> So how big "does" a meteoroid have to be to reach the ground? Do we 
>> really know?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at 
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>
> ______________________________________________
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> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
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From photophlow at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 26 01:42:01 2010
From: photophlow at yahoo.com (Shawn Alan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:42:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482
Message-ID: <667778.40512.qm@web113615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Frank

Thats a good read on NWA 482.

Shawn


From photophlow at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 26 01:54:27 2010
From: photophlow at yahoo.com (Shawn Alan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:54:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list]  NWA 482
Message-ID: <977215.75943.qm@web113612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Let me try this again Frank and Listers.

Great Link Frank. I am learning alot on this list, but for some reason when I reply to the list I cant forward the list that I was replying to unless I copy and paste like what I did below. Is this what all the listers do when replying to a Listers post? 

Shawn Alan

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Hi Walter and all, 

I believe that the "lunar farside" origin of NWA 482 comes from the linked article below: 

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/nwa482/nwa482farside.htm 

Cheers, 

Frank 



----- Original Message ---- 
From: Walter Branch <waltbranch at bellsouth.net> 
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 6:54:19 PM 
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 

Hello Everyone, 

I have a couple of questions about lunar meteorite NWA 482. 

Dealers and re-sellers of this meteorite often note that NWA 482 originates from the lunar farside. 

Randy Korotov notes that there no scientific evidence that any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside.  See for example, 
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm 

Dealers and re-sellers, what is the evidence that NWA 482 origiantes from the lunar farside? 

Randy, why did you write that there is no scientific evidence that any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside? 

In fact, I would welcome any scientists opinion on this issue. 

Thanks, 

-Walter Branch 

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From Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de  Tue Jan 26 01:54:25 2010
From: Thomas.Kurtz at gmx.de (Thomas Kurtz)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:54:25 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] New fall in the USA
Message-ID: <20100126065425.18050@gmx.net>

Hello list,

Small Meteorite Crashes Through Doctor?s Office:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1812791/small_meteorite_crashes_through_doctors_office/

Who lives nearby and could do some interviews about the sightings of this fireball?
Perhaps more material is waiting on the streets for hunters ?


With best wishes from crater Ries/Germany.

Thomas Kurtz
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From erikfwebb at msn.com  Tue Jan 26 02:20:20 2010
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:20:20 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Riot of  over 300 regmaglypts!
In-Reply-To: <20100126023812.25GU9.130907.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
References: <649738.67509.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<20100126023812.25GU9.130907.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <COL119-W37EB5DCA464A6EED0DC0A1A45E0@phx.gbl>


Gorgeous stone!? Wish I could put that on display in my room! Graham, that seems like buried treasure to me! It looks like it was worth the effort.

[Erik]

> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:38:12 +0000
> From: ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
> To: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com
> CC: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Riot of  over 300 regmaglypts!
> 
> Robert,
> 
> Thanks...I think it is always a difficult decision knowing what to do with a new acquisition. Do you restore, preserve, cut etc etc. This was purchased with the view to cleaning and is not likely to be anything but a very weathered ordinary chondrite but had such aesthetic potential. With some pieces it would be sacrilege to even think of cleaning off their characteristic natural patina, or cutting into oriented flowing crust. Others need delicate preservation to stop them ending up as a pile of rust but without changing their appearance or are such precious material that even touching with a slightly greasy finger would be wrong.
> 
> I find the whole business of curating a collection quite fascinating.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
> 
>   
> ---- "meteoritefinder at yahoo.com" <meteoritefinder at yahoo.com> wrote: 
>> Graham,
>> 
>> I think you absolutely did the right thing. Very nicely done, and a gorgeous stone! 
>> 
>> Congrats,
>> Robert Woolard
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:16 PM, <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>>  It has taken many hours slowly removing the caliche without removing remnant crust or creating 'false' regmaglypts.
>> 
>> I know some purists would rather see specimens in their 'found' state, but I just couldn't resist trying to bring this ugly duckling back to life.
>> 
>> http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/8kgUNWA/
>> 
>> Graham, Nr Barwell, UK
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>> 
>> 
>>       
> 
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From erikfwebb at msn.com  Tue Jan 26 02:33:43 2010
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:33:43 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <752389414EA248B19BAE27818094887B@Gregor>
References: <4B5E60DC.6080905@meteoritesusa.com>,
	<C3336A1D930640AFA414ACDAE4E30773@ATARIENGINE2>,
	<752389414EA248B19BAE27818094887B@Gregor>
Message-ID: <COL119-W5075D8C5AD6F4CD454DCF1A45E0@phx.gbl>


Eric, try this:
?One way to collect micrometeorites is to set a large shallow tray of
water outside for a couple days. You should see some residue on the
bottom in time. Cover a magnet with Saran wrap, wax paper or some other
type of material. Pick up magnetic material in tray with your magnet
and set on paper to dry. Observe material with a good- strong
microscope. Some of what you see will be spherical balls- those are the
micrometeorites.

Steve from the nuggetshooter forum(http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?showforum=4) posted that 2 years ago.? There were great links and photos but the sites are long gone.? I quote, "If you're not having any luck hunting macrometeorites, try hunting micrometeorites. You'll never get skunked."

Can someone with a microscope try this and post pictures if they can?

[Erik]

----------------------------------------
> From: gmhupe at htn.net
> To: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:22:09 -0500
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
>
> Hi Sterling,
>
> I always enjoy your 'down-to-earth' reasoning! Thank you! :-)
> Greg
>
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sterling K. Webb" 
> To: "Meteorites USA" ; "Meteorite-list"
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
>
>
>> Hi, Eric,
>>
>> The Earth collects dust. Not just from meteors
>> and meteoroids burning up in the atmosphere
>> but directly from space. The Earth gravitationally
>> collects solar wind particles, zodaical dust,
>> interplanetary dust, interstellar dust, cometary
>> dust, dust from a variety of sources. Whoops! I
>> left out intergalactic dust...
>>
>> Dust falls in slowly and takes months (or years)
>> to settle to the surface. It can be measured in the
>> layers of ocean sediments and icecap cores.
>>
>> How much dust accumulates is hard to measure,
>> so the amount has been a long-running question.
>> Here's a really good discussion of the dust question:
>> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moon-dust.html
>> although it's in the context of an "age of the Earth"
>> argument with Creationists.
>>
>> Interplanetary dust is hard to analyse because it's so tiny:
>> http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/simple_template.cfm?code=resources_dust&CFID=4156261&CFTOKEN=70584526
>>
>> Here's an interview with Don Brownlee ("Mr. Dust"):
>> http://euro.astrobio.net/interview/742/extraterrestrial-capture
>>
>> A good summary of all the kinds of dust from "out there":
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_dust
>>
>> Or, just Google "interplanetary dust" and you will
>> find many, many sources of information on dust infall:
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=interplanetary+dust+&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq=
>> then Google "interstellar dust" and Google "zodaical dust"
>> and...
>>
>> Space is dusty. The Earth is dusty. And best of all,
>> the Internet is dusty. Lots of information out there.
>>
>> Best of all, you can collect rainwater, then extract the
>> metallic dust from it with magnets. Most of the dust will
>> be human produced smoke dust, but the tiny dull metallic
>> spheres are probably "cosmic" dust. Every time you walk
>> out the door, you're stepping on cosmic dust. It's everywhere.
>> If you spend a fair amount of time out in the open air, you
>> probably have some cosmic dust incorporated into your body.
>>
>> I'm going to stop now, before I start singing that Joni
>> Mitchell song...
>>
>>
>> Sterling K. Webb
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Meteorites USA" 
>> To: "Meteorite-list" 
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:26 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
>>
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm not too sure how to broach the subject without stepping on toes, so I
>>> say this will all due respect to everyone who would be offended by the
>>> questions.
>>>
>>> I've been reading "Meteorites" by Caroline Smith, Sara Russell, and
>>> Gretchen Benedix, Firefly Books, 2009. Lovely book, with lots of
>>> information on meteorites, their origins, and composition, with loads of
>>> illustrations and great photography.
>>>
>>> As I was flipping through I found a mention about the total weight of
>>> meteoritic material which falls on our planet every year. On page 89 it
>>> states "...approximately 40,000-60,000 t of extraterrestrial material
>>> lands on Earth every year, the majority of which is in the form of tiny
>>> dust grains usually less than 1 mm (1/25 in) in size; importantly, most
>>> of this dust is believed to originate from comets..."
>>>
>>> Doesn't this go against what science tells us about meteor showers? Don't
>>> the particles and sand-grain sized particles burn up in the atmosphere
>>> like science tells us they do? And if they don't burn up completely why
>>> does just about every text on meteors say they do? And if that the case,
>>> then how is it possible to weigh something that doesn't exist, anymore?
>>>
>>> I've read this in other places as well, some sources say that there is
>>> thousands of tons to millions of tons of meteoritic material landing on
>>> Earth every year. Yet...
>>>
>>> We all "know" that small dust to sand grain sized particles burn up high
>>> in the atmosphere, and there is debate on what it takes, or rather how
>>> large meteoroids must be to reach the ground and become meteorites. We
>>> know Asteroid 2008 TC3 was small but much larger than dust. So if a 3-6
>>> meter asteroid can hit Earth, how small of a piece of debris can make it
>>> to Earth through the atmosphere? How big was Whetstone Mountain before
>>> entering our atmosphere? There was not much of that piece recovered, and
>>> the video showed 3 distinct fragments flying briefly through the field of
>>> view of the camera. West Texas was a daylight fireball seen from hundreds
>>> of miles away, and it produced a good bit of material. Buzzard Coulee
>>> too. These recent meteorite falls have been hunted by a large number of
>>> very professional meteorite hunters and scientists and yet the TKW of the
>>> falls are small except maybe the BC fall. Buzzard Coulee had a HUGE 13
>>> kilo piece http://www.skyriver.ca/astro/bruce/marsden_meteorite%205.JPG
>>> that impacted the ground and hundreds of other smaller stones recovered.
>>>
>>> So how big "does" a meteoroid have to be to reach the ground? Do we
>>> really know?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eric Wichman
>>> Meteorites USA
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> Visit the Archives at
>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
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From news at chladnis-heirs.com  Tue Jan 26 07:34:12 2010
From: news at chladnis-heirs.com (Chladnis Heirs)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:34:12 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <COL119-W5075D8C5AD6F4CD454DCF1A45E0@phx.gbl>
References: <4B5E60DC.6080905@meteoritesusa.com>,
	<C3336A1D930640AFA414ACDAE4E30773@ATARIENGINE2>,
	<752389414EA248B19BAE27818094887B@Gregor>
	<COL119-W5075D8C5AD6F4CD454DCF1A45E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01ca9e83$ddcbb620$07b22959@name86d88d87e2>

Hi Erik,

unfortunatly most of these balls are also anthropogenic pollution.
Especially industries like coal-burning power plants, foundries and metal
processing produces such spherical particles.

That's why one has either to go in the stratosphere to collect
micrometeorites or to use unpolluted sources like Antarctic wells or ice
or sediments - from the times where there wasn't human pollution,
to be able to isolate them.

Especially in the late 70ies and early 80ies it was quite a fashion among
the collectors to try to find micrometeorites by filtering rainwater.

Best!
Martin & Stefan


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Erik
Fisler
Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Januar 2010 08:34
An: meteorite-list
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites


Eric, try this:
?One way to collect micrometeorites is to set a large shallow tray of
water outside for a couple days. You should see some residue on the
bottom in time. Cover a magnet with Saran wrap, wax paper or some other
type of material. Pick up magnetic material in tray with your magnet
and set on paper to dry. Observe material with a good- strong
microscope. Some of what you see will be spherical balls- those are the
micrometeorites.

Steve from the nuggetshooter
forum(http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?showforum=4) posted
that 2 years ago.? There were great links and photos but the sites are long
gone.? I quote, "If you're not having any luck hunting macrometeorites, try
hunting micrometeorites. You'll never get skunked."

Can someone with a microscope try this and post pictures if they can?

[Erik]





From michael at rocksfromspace.org  Tue Jan 26 08:24:18 2010
From: michael at rocksfromspace.org (Michael Johnson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:24:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 26,
	2010
Message-ID: <129420983.498381264512258312.JavaMail.root@mbs1.homesteadmail.com>

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_26_2010.html



From Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr  Tue Jan 26 08:51:49 2010
From: Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr (Zelimir Gabelica)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:51:49 +0100
Subject: [meteorite-list] about meteorite casts
In-Reply-To: <20100125224448.XRZPX.126783.root@web07-winn.ispmail.privat
	e.ntl.com>
References: <20100125123332.426453kj2mvbi58s@webmail.hiwaay.net>
	<20100125224448.XRZPX.126783.root@web07-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com>
Message-ID: <201001261351.o0QDpOhi007253@smtpmul2.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi Graham,

If you mean "original meteorites" that were 
sources of casts in general (not Middlesborough 
in particular), you were very close to a famous one last Summer:
Ensisheim meteorite, 53.832 kg, original displayed in the Ensi Regency palace.

Only 2 identical (plaster) casts have been 
manufactured from that original in the late 
1940's (or 1950's ?) by a local artist.
One belongs to the Guardians and is sometimes 
lend for display instead of the original that is, 
as you might guess, tricky and risky to carry here and there.

I am the very lucky owner of the second cast.
It was officially donated to me by the Guardians 
after we had organized the first 2000 show.
I continue to believe this was an outstanding 
honor that I never deserved, whatever my 
contribution to initiate the show (actually that 
work was, and still is, far more a pleasure and a challenge than a task).

This being, if ever you need my cast for any kind 
of display (even in the UK), I am always ready to 
lend it occasionally. Because I consider that 
this almost unique cast can be to some extent an 
elegant way to dispatch the fame of that unique 
meteorite, and perhaps the knowledge of meteorites in general.
I may suspect the artist realized it for that kind of purpose.

BTW, please note all:
The real and accurately measured weight of the 
original meteorite "fragment" sited in Ensisheim 
(by all means the main mass) is well 53.831, as officially re-weighed in 2002.
The other often mentioned figures ("about 55 kg" or alike) are not correct.

My best,

Zelimir

At 23:44 25/01/2010, ensoramanda at ntlworld.com wrote:
>Hi Dan,
>
>I have chased up the original sources of the 
>casts and they are no longer available...unless 
>of course someone on the list knows 
>different...I have been after one for years.
>
>Graham
>
>---- "Daniel H. Fronefield" <dfronfld at hiwaay.net> wrote:
> >
> > So, does anyone still carry these Middlesborough meteorite casts for
> > sale?  Is the 3D scan made by ESA/NASA available to the general
> > public? If so, a reasonable replica could be produced by various
> > methods.  Just thinking ... I'd love to have replica for my display too.
> >
> > Dan
> >

Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 



From michael at rocksfromspace.org  Tue Jan 26 10:38:38 2010
From: michael at rocksfromspace.org (michael at rocksfromspace.org)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:38:38 +0000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Don Edwards
Message-ID: <408126797-1264520318-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2009561941-@bda255.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Don Edwards,
Please contact me off list!

Regards,
Michael Johnson
http://www.rocksfromspace.org

Thumbed On My BlackBerry


From oxytropidoceras at cox.net  Tue Jan 26 10:51:48 2010
From: oxytropidoceras at cox.net (Paul H.)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 9:51:48 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] Recent Article on Dating Meteorites
Message-ID: <20100126105148.3SE8T.389047.imail@eastrmwml29>

1. Age of Solar System Needs to Be Recalculated by Lisa 
Grossman, Science News, January 4, 2010

http://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2010/01/04/age-of-solar-system-needs-a-fresh-look.html

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/01/solar-system-age/

?Those differences could mean that current estimates of the age 
of the solar system overshoot that age by 1 million years or more. 
Historical estimates place the age at about 4.5 billion years?a 
number that is not precise enough to show a difference of one 
million?but more finely honed recent calculations place the 
age at more like 4.5672 billion years. One million years is still an 
eyeblink at this scale, representing the difference between 4.566 
and 4.567, but this difference is important in understanding the 
infant solar system.?

2. Age of the Solar System Possibly Miscalculated: One of the 
equations may not be accurate. by Tudor Vieru, January 
4, 2010, 

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Age-of-the-Solar-System-Possibly-Miscalculated-130995.shtml

3. Brennecka, G. A., S. Weyer, M. Wadhwa, Janney, J. Zipfel, and 
A. D. Anbar, 2010, 238 U/ 235 U Variations in Meteorites: 
Extant 247 Cm and Implications for Pb-Pb Dating. Science.
vol. 327, no. 5964, pp. 449 ? 451. DOI: 10.1126/science.1180871

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/science.1180871

Yours,

Paul H.


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Tue Jan 26 10:58:28 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:58:28 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <461264.43464.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <461264.43464.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B5F1124.3040803@meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Robert, Sterling, Erik, Greg, Darren, ALL, Thanks for all the answers...

I wanted to include a photo in my question. We're all familiar with Mike 
Hankey's now world famous PA fireball photo which just happened to catch 
the fragmentation of a large meteoroid as it was breaking up. This left 
many smoke trains in the air from each fragment.Now, even though no 
meteorites have yet to be recovered from this, there is a possibility 
there will be. But it brings up a question. This was an abnormal 
fireball and rather large but I've included another photo of a smaller 
Leonid meteor, with what appears to be a small smoke train emerging from 
the incandescence and entering dark flight.

Take a look at this Leonid photo. As you can see after the incandescence 
there's a small smoke train shooting out from the tip of the meteor. Is 
that in fact the smoke train from the particle/meteoroid just before 
entering dark flight? Or was this just the last bit of the meteoroid 
burning up?

Leonid: http://www.meteoritesusa.com/images/Leonid_Meteor-wikipedia-cc.jpg
Leonid Closeup: 
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/images/Leonid_Meteor-wikipedia-cc-2.jpg

Regards,
Eric



>> From: Meteorites USA<eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors&  Meteorites
>> To: "Meteorite-list"<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 9:26 PM
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm not too sure how to broach the subject without stepping
>> on toes, so I say this will all due respect to everyone who
>> would be offended by the questions.
>>
>> I've been reading "Meteorites" by Caroline Smith, Sara
>> Russell, and Gretchen Benedix, Firefly Books, 2009. Lovely
>> book, with lots of information on meteorites, their origins,
>> and composition, with loads of illustrations and great
>> photography.
>>
>> As I was flipping through I found a mention about the total
>> weight of meteoritic material which falls on our planet
>> every year. On page 89 it states "...approximately
>> 40,000-60,000 t of extraterrestrial material lands on Earth
>> every year, the majority of which is in the form of tiny
>> dust grains usually less than 1 mm (1/25 in) in size;
>> importantly, most of this dust is believed to originate from
>> comets..."
>>
>> Doesn't this go against what science tells us about meteor
>> showers? Don't the particles and sand-grain sized particles
>> burn up in the atmosphere like science tells us they do? And
>> if they don't burn up completely why does just about every
>> text on meteors say they do? And if that the case, then how
>> is it possible to weigh something that doesn't exist,
>> anymore?
>>
>> I've read this in other places as well, some sources say
>> that there is thousands of tons to millions of tons of
>> meteoritic material landing on Earth every year. Yet...
>>
>> We all "know" that small dust to sand grain sized particles
>> burn up high in the atmosphere, and there is debate on what
>> it takes, or rather how large meteoroids must be to reach
>> the ground and become meteorites. We know Asteroid 
>> 2008 TC3 was small but much larger than dust. So if a 3-6
>> meter asteroid can hit Earth, how small of a piece of debris
>> can make it to Earth through the atmosphere? How big was
>> Whetstone Mountain before entering our atmosphere? There was
>> not much of that piece recovered, and the video showed 3
>> distinct fragments flying briefly through the field of view
>> of the camera. West Texas was a daylight fireball seen from
>> hundreds of miles away, and it produced a good bit of
>> material. Buzzard Coulee too. These recent meteorite falls
>> have been hunted by a large number of very professional
>> meteorite hunters and scientists and yet the TKW of the
>> falls are small except maybe the BC fall. Buzzard Coulee had
>> a HUGE 13 kilo piece http://www.skyriver.ca/astro/bruce/marsden_meteorite%205.JPG
>> that impacted the ground and hundreds of other smaller
>> stones recovered.
>>
>> So how big "does" a meteoroid have to be to reach the
>> ground? Do we really know?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
>> ______________________________________________
>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>>
>>      
>
>
>
>
>    


From meteoritemike at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 11:12:22 2010
From: meteoritemike at gmail.com (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:12:22 -0500
Subject: [meteorite-list] Recent Article on Dating Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <20100126105148.3SE8T.389047.imail@eastrmwml29>
References: <20100126105148.3SE8T.389047.imail@eastrmwml29>
Message-ID: <e51421551001260812q29aafa42i2a3ebfefda07560c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul and List,

I dated a meteorite once.......she didn't call me back.

(*rimshot*)

Seriously though, thanks for the great links Paul.  I especially
enjoyed the meteorwrong link yesterday. :)

Best regards,

MikeG


On 1/26/10, Paul H. <oxytropidoceras at cox.net> wrote:
> 1. Age of Solar System Needs to Be Recalculated by Lisa
> Grossman, Science News, January 4, 2010
>
> http://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2010/01/04/age-of-solar-system-needs-a-fresh-look.html
>
> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/01/solar-system-age/
>
> ?Those differences could mean that current estimates of the age
> of the solar system overshoot that age by 1 million years or more.
> Historical estimates place the age at about 4.5 billion years?a
> number that is not precise enough to show a difference of one
> million?but more finely honed recent calculations place the
> age at more like 4.5672 billion years. One million years is still an
> eyeblink at this scale, representing the difference between 4.566
> and 4.567, but this difference is important in understanding the
> infant solar system.?
>
> 2. Age of the Solar System Possibly Miscalculated: One of the
> equations may not be accurate. by Tudor Vieru, January
> 4, 2010,
>
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Age-of-the-Solar-System-Possibly-Miscalculated-130995.shtml
>
> 3. Brennecka, G. A., S. Weyer, M. Wadhwa, Janney, J. Zipfel, and
> A. D. Anbar, 2010, 238 U/ 235 U Variations in Meteorites:
> Extant 247 Cm and Implications for Pb-Pb Dating. Science.
> vol. 327, no. 5964, pp. 449 ? 451. DOI: 10.1126/science.1180871
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/science.1180871
>
> Yours,
>
> Paul H.
> ______________________________________________
> Visit the Archives at
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> Meteorite-list mailing list
> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>


From GeoZay at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 11:13:20 2010
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:13:20 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
Message-ID: <9682.25006ace.38906ea0@aol.com>

>>Take a look at this Leonid photo. As you  can see after the incandescence 
there's a small smoke train shooting out  from the tip of the meteor. Is 
that in fact the smoke train from the  particle/meteoroid just before 
entering dark flight? Or was this just the  last bit of the meteoroid 
burning up?<<

I'd say it was just the  last bit of the meteoroid burning up.  It was 
dimming and the camera caught  what little exposure it could at that point.
GeoZay  



From clp at alumni.caltech.edu  Tue Jan 26 11:32:50 2010
From: clp at alumni.caltech.edu (Chris Peterson)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:32:50 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
References: <461264.43464.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4B5F1124.3040803@meteoritesusa.com>
Message-ID: <8A8E9B99BB6B4043ADEDAC4176B24EC0@bellatrix>

You're just seeing incandescence from the last bit of meteoroid that hasn't
survived the previous (four?) fragmentation events as well as the continuous
ablation. I don't see any evidence in this photo of a smoke train at all. If
one was produced, it would only be visible after the meteor faded away, and
if the exposure continued on for at least a few seconds so the trail could
start to disperse.

Chris

*****************************************
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites


> Hi Robert, Sterling, Erik, Greg, Darren, ALL, Thanks for all the 
> answers...
>
> I wanted to include a photo in my question. We're all familiar with Mike 
> Hankey's now world famous PA fireball photo which just happened to catch 
> the fragmentation of a large meteoroid as it was breaking up. This left 
> many smoke trains in the air from each fragment.Now, even though no 
> meteorites have yet to be recovered from this, there is a possibility 
> there will be. But it brings up a question. This was an abnormal fireball 
> and rather large but I've included another photo of a smaller Leonid 
> meteor, with what appears to be a small smoke train emerging from the 
> incandescence and entering dark flight.
>
> Take a look at this Leonid photo. As you can see after the incandescence 
> there's a small smoke train shooting out from the tip of the meteor. Is 
> that in fact the smoke train from the particle/meteoroid just before 
> entering dark flight? Or was this just the last bit of the meteoroid 
> burning up?
>
> Leonid: http://www.meteoritesusa.com/images/Leonid_Meteor-wikipedia-cc.jpg
> Leonid Closeup: 
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/images/Leonid_Meteor-wikipedia-cc-2.jpg
>
> Regards,
> Eric



From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Tue Jan 26 12:31:03 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:31:03 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <9682.25006ace.38906ea0@aol.com>
References: <9682.25006ace.38906ea0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B5F26D7.9020805@meteoritesusa.com>

I think it's the smoke left from the meteoroid as it cooled rapidly 
after incandescence, hence the reason for the tapering of the train. My 
theory is simple. As the meteoroid cooled (directly after incandescence) 
it produced less smoke, and therefore the train seems to taper to 
nothingness. The meteoroid is in fact still there, yet invisible to the 
camera. Also there is a certain "squiggly" nature to the trail 
suggesting an irregularly shaped object tumbling through the air. If it 
were still incandescent or in an oriented flight I would think the 
meteoroid would be flying a straighter path producing a "cleaner" trail. 
The irregular path, and tapering of the trail seems to me to suggest 
that the small thin trail is a smoke train and and not the meteoroid 
incandescence. Perhaps both?

I've been a photographer for a LONG time, and depending on the shutter 
speed of the camera at the time of exposure, it's very possible that the 
"trail" is the smoke left by the meteoroid, left over time during 
exposure. Meteors are very fast, only a few hundredths of a second in 
duration, and if the shutter speed was say 1/30 second then you're 
looking at a mush longer span of time relative to the duration of the 
meteor. Therefore I would guess that what I'm looking at is smoke train, 
and not incandescence or plasma. It could be the "blur" of the object 
itself moving across the frame during the exposure however that since 
there are distortions in the symmetry of the trail this looks more like 
smoke dissipating than the streak left by the actual meteoroid, which 
would most likely be straighter with less distortion.

Take a look at another enhanced version of the photo...Leonid Closeup: 
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/images/Leonid_Meteor-wikipedia-cc-3.jpg

If this is the continued incandescence why is the "trail" not straight? 
Was the meteoroid still "glowing" hot thereby producing a visible light 
bright enough to be picked up by the camera?

Eric




On 1/26/2010 8:13 AM, GeoZay at aol.com wrote:
>>> Take a look at this Leonid photo. As you  can see after the incandescence
>>>        
> there's a small smoke train shooting out  from the tip of the meteor. Is
> that in fact the smoke train from the  particle/meteoroid just before
> entering dark flight? Or was this just the  last bit of the meteoroid
> burning up?<<
>
> I'd say it was just the  last bit of the meteoroid burning up.  It was
> dimming and the camera caught  what little exposure it could at that point.
> GeoZay
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From fujmon at mac.com  Tue Jan 26 12:43:11 2010
From: fujmon at mac.com (Gary Fujihara)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:43:11 -1000
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
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Aloha Eric,

> I think it's the smoke left from the meteoroid as it cooled rapidly after incandescence, hence the reason for the tapering of the train.

No smoke train in this photo - it is too early for any to develop (see Chris' post)

> Also there is a certain "squiggly" nature to the trail suggesting an irregularly shaped object tumbling through the air. If it were still incandescent or in an oriented flight I would think the meteoroid would be flying a straighter path producing a "cleaner" trail. The irregular path, and tapering of the trail seems to me to suggest that the small thin trail is a smoke train and and not the meteoroid incandescence. Perhaps both?

Squiggly line is the last bit of material after ablation and just before dark flight, of a particle (from Comet Temple-Tuttle) tumbling through the air.  

> Was the meteoroid still "glowing" hot thereby producing a visible light bright enough to be picked up by the camera?

Yup.

gary

> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/26/2010 8:13 AM, GeoZay at aol.com wrote:
>>>> Take a look at this Leonid photo. As you  can see after the incandescence
>>>>       
>> there's a small smoke train shooting out  from the tip of the meteor. Is
>> that in fact the smoke train from the  particle/meteoroid just before
>> entering dark flight? Or was this just the  last bit of the meteoroid
>> burning up?<<
>> 
>> I'd say it was just the  last bit of the meteoroid burning up.  It was
>> dimming and the camera caught  what little exposure it could at that point.
>> GeoZay
>> 
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From GeoZay at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 13:00:04 2010
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:00:04 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
Message-ID: <da79.429bdeb.389087a4@aol.com>



>>If this is the continued  incandescence why is the "trail" not straight? 
Was the meteoroid still  "glowing" hot thereby producing a visible light 
bright enough to be picked  up by the camera?<<

In that area, the meteor probably wasn't bright  enuf, for long enuf to be 
exposed in your camera. The lingering ionized train  will have a longer time 
for exposure and show up without a meteor trails  apparent presence. Your 
crooked trail appears to me to be the beginning of the  ionized train 
distorting with the high altitude winds. As the train twists and  turns, brighter 
spots presents itself for exposure...thus appearing crooked.  This is 
something I had expected to see in Hankeys photograph, but  don't.
GeoZay  



From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Tue Jan 26 13:16:13 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:16:13 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
In-Reply-To: <8A8E9B99BB6B4043ADEDAC4176B24EC0@bellatrix>
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Thanks Chris, Gary, George, It appeared to be a smoke train at first 
glance...

If the meteoroid was still glowing hot and producing light enough to be 
recorded by the camera, that would explain the trail and the squiggly 
nature produced by the irregular flight. I do have a question for Gary 
though. You mentioned it's "too early" for a smoke train to develop. How 
do you mean? If the particle is still there, it will rapidly cool to a 
point where it cannot produce smoke. When will such a meteoroid/particle 
produce a smoke train? Are we looking at both, the smoke "and" the after 
glow of the meteoroid? I would assume that if the meteoroid is still hot 
enough to glow, it would also be producing smoke, the camera could be 
capturing both the glow from the "hot space rock" and the smoke it emits.

After looking at the photo closer I see the same waviness to the entire 
path as well.
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/images/Leonid_Meteor-wikipedia-cc-4.jpg

How many meteoroids actually reach the ground? I still don't see a solid 
answer on this.

Eric




On 1/26/2010 8:32 AM, Chris Peterson wrote:
> You're just seeing incandescence from the last bit of meteoroid that 
> hasn't
> survived the previous (four?) fragmentation events as well as the 
> continuous
> ablation. I don't see any evidence in this photo of a smoke train at 
> all. If
> one was produced, it would only be visible after the meteor faded 
> away, and
> if the exposure continued on for at least a few seconds so the trail 
> could
> start to disperse.
>
> Chris
>
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meteorites USA" 
> <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
>
>
>> Hi Robert, Sterling, Erik, Greg, Darren, ALL, Thanks for all the 
>> answers...
>>
>> I wanted to include a photo in my question. We're all familiar with 
>> Mike Hankey's now world famous PA fireball photo which just happened 
>> to catch the fragmentation of a large meteoroid as it was breaking 
>> up. This left many smoke trains in the air from each fragment.Now, 
>> even though no meteorites have yet to be recovered from this, there 
>> is a possibility there will be. But it brings up a question. This was 
>> an abnormal fireball and rather large but I've included another photo 
>> of a smaller Leonid meteor, with what appears to be a small smoke 
>> train emerging from the incandescence and entering dark flight.
>>
>> Take a look at this Leonid photo. As you can see after the 
>> incandescence there's a small smoke train shooting out from the tip 
>> of the meteor. Is that in fact the smoke train from the 
>> particle/meteoroid just before entering dark flight? Or was this just 
>> the last bit of the meteoroid burning up?
>>
>> Leonid: 
>> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/images/Leonid_Meteor-wikipedia-cc.jpg
>> Leonid Closeup: 
>> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/images/Leonid_Meteor-wikipedia-cc-2.jpg
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric
>
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From countdeiro at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 26 13:23:03 2010
From: countdeiro at earthlink.net (countdeiro at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:23:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Request for Link to NASA Martian Life Paper
Message-ID: <8722971.1264530183497.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Hello List,

Would somone be so kind as to forward me the link to the following entitled paper that was previously posted?

Life on Mars: New Evidence from Martian Meteorites

Thanking you in advance,

Count Deiro



From GeoZay at aol.com  Tue Jan 26 13:23:23 2010
From: GeoZay at aol.com (GeoZay at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:23:23 EST
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors & Meteorites
Message-ID: <e9c0.34bf5a60.38908d1b@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/26/2010 10:16:20 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
eric at meteoritesusa.com writes:
>>After looking  at the photo closer I see the same waviness to the entire 
path as  well.<<

That waviness is probably the ionized train just starting  to distort in 
the high winds, after the meteors passage. geozay  



From korotev at wustl.edu  Tue Jan 26 14:14:56 2010
From: korotev at wustl.edu (Randy Korotev)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:14:56 -0600
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482
In-Reply-To: <977215.75943.qm@web113612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <977215.75943.qm@web113612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <201001261914.o0QJEER07166@levee.wustl.edu>

At 00:54 26-01-10 Tuesday, you wrote:
>Randy, why did you write that there is no scientific evidence that 
>any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside?


Dear Walter and list:

We don't know exactly where on the Moon any lunar meteorite comes 
from.  It has, nevertheless, become fashionable, if not obligatory, 
for lunar meteorite scientists to speculate where a new lunar 
meteorite might come from in a regional sense when they write papers 
about them.  I've done it myself.

The people who understand the dynamics of these things tell me that 
the chance of having a rock achieve escape velocity from the farside 
is the same as from the nearside.  Any rock that leaves the Moon has 
the same chance of landing on Earth.  Some of this is discussed in a 
recent (and much too long) paper:

http://epsc.wustl.edu/~rlk/papers/korotev_et_al_2009_m&ps_intermediate_iron.pdf

To me this all means that half the lunar meteorites must come from 
the farside, we just don't know which ones.

What we do know is that NWA 482 is highly feldspathic (~80% 
plagioclase) and poor in radioactive elements like Th (thorium).  We 
know from orbital measurements that a larger fraction of the surface 
material on the farside is feldspathic and low in Th than for the 
nearside.  The nearside has more basalts and most of the Th-rich 
stuff.  So, on the basis of chemical composition, NWA 482 has a >50% 
chance of being from the farside.  But, the same argument applies to 
the other 32 feldspathic lunar meteorites.  Surely, some feldspathic 
lunar meteorites come from the nearside.  NWA 4936/5406, for example, 
is very similar in composition to soil from the Apollo 16 site on the nearside.

The corresponding argument is that most of the basaltic (lun-b) 
meteorites come from the nearside because most of the mare basalts 
are exposed on the nearside.   We also can say that Th-rich 
meteorites like SaU 169 and Dhofar 1442 must come the anomalously 
Th-rich region in the northwest quadrant of the nearside known as the 
Procellarum KREEP Terrane.  But again, the source crater for none of 
the lunar meteorites has been established with certainty.  An impact 
making a 1-km-crater can launch a lunar meteorite.

Randy Korotev




From apollocollector at q.com  Tue Jan 26 14:37:47 2010
From: apollocollector at q.com (Dennis Beatty)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:37:47 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482
In-Reply-To: <201001261914.o0QJEER07166@levee.wustl.edu>
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Is there any reason to believe that one side might be more prone to  
impacts than the other??

Dennis Beatty

On Jan 26, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Randy Korotev wrote:

> At 00:54 26-01-10 Tuesday, you wrote:
>> Randy, why did you write that there is no scientific evidence that  
>> any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside?
>
>
> Dear Walter and list:
>
> We don't know exactly where on the Moon any lunar meteorite comes  
> from.  It has, nevertheless, become fashionable, if not obligatory,  
> for lunar meteorite scientists to speculate where a new lunar  
> meteorite might come from in a regional sense when they write papers  
> about them.  I've done it myself.
>
> The people who understand the dynamics of these things tell me that  
> the chance of having a rock achieve escape velocity from the farside  
> is the same as from the nearside.  Any rock that leaves the Moon has  
> the same chance of landing on Earth.  Some of this is discussed in a  
> recent (and much too long) paper:
>
> http://epsc.wustl.edu/~rlk/papers/korotev_et_al_2009_m&ps_intermediate_iron.pdf
>
> To me this all means that half the lunar meteorites must come from  
> the farside, we just don't know which ones.
>
> What we do know is that NWA 482 is highly feldspathic (~80%  
> plagioclase) and poor in radioactive elements like Th (thorium).  We  
> know from orbital measurements that a larger fraction of the surface  
> material on the farside is feldspathic and low in Th than for the  
> nearside.  The nearside has more basalts and most of the Th-rich  
> stuff.  So, on the basis of chemical composition, NWA 482 has a >50%  
> chance of being from the farside.  But, the same argument applies to  
> the other 32 feldspathic lunar meteorites.  Surely, some feldspathic  
> lunar meteorites come from the nearside.  NWA 4936/5406, for  
> example, is very similar in composition to soil from the Apollo 16  
> site on the nearside.
>
> The corresponding argument is that most of the basaltic (lun-b)  
> meteorites come from the nearside because most of the mare basalts  
> are exposed on the nearside.   We also can say that Th-rich  
> meteorites like SaU 169 and Dhofar 1442 must come the anomalously Th- 
> rich region in the northwest quadrant of the nearside known as the  
> Procellarum KREEP Terrane.  But again, the source crater for none of  
> the lunar meteorites has been established with certainty.  An impact  
> making a 1-km-crater can launch a lunar meteorite.
>
> Randy Korotev
>
>
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From ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com  Tue Jan 26 14:49:11 2010
From: ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com (Matson, Robert D.)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:49:11 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482
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Hi Dennis,

I'd expect a tiny variance (greater number of impacts on lunar farside)
due
to shadowing by the earth. But the difference is probably unmeasurable.
The fraction of the celestial hemisphere blocked by the earth as seen
from lunar nearside is only 0.0046 %.  --Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Beatty
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:38 AM
To: Randy Korotev
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 482


Is there any reason to believe that one side might be more prone to
impacts than the other??

Dennis Beatty

On Jan 26, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Randy Korotev wrote:

> At 00:54 26-01-10 Tuesday, you wrote:
>> Randy, why did you write that there is no scientific evidence that 
>> any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside?
>
>
> Dear Walter and list:
>
> We don't know exactly where on the Moon any lunar meteorite comes 
> from.  It has, nevertheless, become fashionable, if not obligatory, 
> for lunar meteorite scientists to speculate where a new lunar 
> meteorite might come from in a regional sense when they write papers 
> about them.  I've done it myself.
>
> The people who understand the dynamics of these things tell me that 
> the chance of having a rock achieve escape velocity from the farside 
> is the same as from the nearside.  Any rock that leaves the Moon has 
> the same chance of landing on Earth.  Some of this is discussed in a 
> recent (and much too long) paper:
>
> http://epsc.wustl.edu/~rlk/papers/korotev_et_al_2009_m&ps_intermediate
> _iron.pdf
>
> To me this all means that half the lunar meteorites must come from the

> farside, we just don't know which ones.
>
> What we do know is that NWA 482 is highly feldspathic (~80%
> plagioclase) and poor in radioactive elements like Th (thorium).  We 
> know from orbital measurements that a larger fraction of the surface 
> material on the farside is feldspathic and low in Th than for the 
> nearside.  The nearside has more basalts and most of the Th-rich 
> stuff.  So, on the basis of chemical composition, NWA 482 has a >50% 
> chance of being from the farside.  But, the same argument applies to 
> the other 32 feldspathic lunar meteorites.  Surely, some feldspathic 
> lunar meteorites come from the nearside.  NWA 4936/5406, for example, 
> is very similar in composition to soil from the Apollo 16 site on the 
> nearside.
>
> The corresponding argument is that most of the basaltic (lun-b) 
> meteorites come from the nearside because most of the mare basalts
> are exposed on the nearside.   We also can say that Th-rich  
> meteorites like SaU 169 and Dhofar 1442 must come the anomalously Th- 
> rich region in the northwest quadrant of the nearside known as the 
> Procellarum KREEP Terrane.  But again, the source crater for none of 
> the lunar meteorites has been established with certainty.  An impact 
> making a 1-km-crater can launch a lunar meteorite.
>
> Randy Korotev


From eric at meteoritesusa.com  Tue Jan 26 15:38:50 2010
From: eric at meteoritesusa.com (Meteorites USA)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:38:50 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve W Please Contact Me
Message-ID: <4B5F52DA.9000106@meteoritesusa.com>

This message is going out to Steve W. You've sent me 3 emails and I've 
tried to respond but your email address keeps bouncing emails back to me.

Please contact me from a different email address or call me at 760-522-2152

Regards,
Eric




From erikfwebb at msn.com  Tue Jan 26 15:51:56 2010
From: erikfwebb at msn.com (Erik Fisler)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:51:56 -0700
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Photography (Must read!)
Message-ID: <COL119-W37684B9572EEC15D17697DA45E0@phx.gbl>


I'd like to share some photography tips with list members that might help with photographing your meteorites.

? The first thing I would like to share is a silver reflector.
here are some pictures:
- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Photographing_a_model_1.jpg/260px-Photographing_a_model_1.jpg

- http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2673/3843207418_17bd3e73bf_m.jpg
?? Mainly used in portrait photography but works great for meteorites.? It is used to reflect soft light onto the subject(meteorite).? I use it to fill in the shadows because sunlight can make highlights and shadows harsh.? 
I have a 5-in-1 reflector made by promaster.? They usually run about $35 because you are paying for 4 different reflectors and a diffusion screen.

The second thing is custom white balancing.? Have you ever taking pictures in the shade or inside and the picture came out way too yellow or too blue?? This is because the auto-white balance on your camera didn't do so well.? Many digital camera's(Most SLR's) have a custom white balance setting.? Just simply hold up a white sheet of paper in the light you will be shooting in and take a picture of it.? Then find custom white balance and select the picture you took of the paper.? Now when you shoot in that light the picture will be properly white balanced.? This is a life saver for Nikon shooters because Nikon has terrible auto white balance.

The third thing is auto-blending.? For those of you who have SLR's you will notice that shooting at a higher F-stop like F1.8 or F2.8 is a lot sharper than shooting at a lower F-stop like F22.? The problem is,