[N&W] Re: NW Y3 becomes ATSF ?? becomes VGN USE
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Tue May 25 22:35:05 EDT 2004
The following data is taken from H. Reid's The Virginian Railway:
These locos were built from April thru June 1919. Each line below lists in
order:
Vgn #, N&W #, ATSF #, Month built, and C/N.
736, 2014, 1794, April, 61082
737, 2015, 1792, April, 61083
738, 2021, 1790, May, 61089
739, 2022, 1791, June, 61090
740, 2026, 1793, June, 61094
741, 2029, 1795, June, 61097
742, 2035, 1796, June, 61103
Jerry Crosson
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From H. Reid's Virginian Railway (pg 174):
Class US-E Locomotives (2-8-8-2)
VGN Alco c/n Built N&W# AT&SF# Scrapped
736 61082 4/1919 2014 1794 June, 1955
737 61083 4/1919 2015 1792 June, 1955
738 61089 5/1919 2021 1790 Aug., 1954
739 61090 6/1919 2022 1791 Aug., 1954
740 61094 6/1919 2026 1793 Aug., 1954
741 61097 6/1919 2029 1795 June, 1955
742 61103 6/1919 2035 1796 June, 1955
Built Alco Schenectady
736, 737, 740, 741 & 742 to AT&SF in 1943
738 & 739 to AT&SF in 1944.
All to VGN in Dec., 1947
Interesting, the first of these built by Alco in 1919 for USRA were painted &
assigned to Virginian as #900 - #904, which VGN rejected in favor the larger
Class AE, 2-10-10-2. N&W gladly accepted them, named Class Y-3 & renumbered
#2000 - #2004. (pg. 65)
Virginian eventually ordered 35 2-8-8-2's between 1919 & 1923 from Alco's
Richmond Works.
Bob Moore
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N&W 2014 to ATSF 1794 10-43 to VGN 736 2- 1-48
N&W 2015 to ATSF 1792 10-43 to VGN 737 2- 1-48
N&W 2021 to ATSF 1790 10-43 to VGN 738 2-15-48
N&W 2022 to ATSF 1791 10-43 to VGN 739 2-15-48
N&W 2026 to ATSF 1793 10-43 to VGN 740 2- 1-48
N&W 2029 to ATSF 1795 10-43 to VGN 741 2-15-48
N&W 2035 to ATSF 1796 10-43 to VGN 742 2- 1-48
N&W 2042 to ATSF 1797 10-43 - Scrapped at Albuquerque, NM. on ATSF, 8-30-47
Since the VGN renumbered them in their original ascending numerical order,
presumably the 2042 would have become VGN 743.
EdKing
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John,
I am now reading the book N&W Railway's Magnificent Mallets, the Y class
2-8-8-2's and on page 13 the author talks about various locos going to SF
and on page 15 it lists the road numbers that went from SF to the Virginian.
2014, 2015, 2021, 2022, 2026, 2029, & 2035 were 3rd hand via the AT&SF.
Hope this answers your question
Thanx
Gale Brown, Houston
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According to Worely's IRON HORSES OF THE SANTA FE
TRAIL:
ALCo # N&W Eng # ATSF Eng # VGN Eng #
61089 2021 1790 738
61090 2022 1791 739
61083 2015 1792 737
61094 2026 1793 740
61082 2014 1794 736
61097 2029 1795 741
61103 2035 1796 742
61110 2042 1797 Scrapped at
Albuquerque
8/30/47
The book notes that ATSF was not fond of the Mallets, but
did like their boilers. ATSF planned to upgrade their
3751 Class 4-8-4's with the boilers from the Y3's, but abandoned
the plan when they found a sale.
Harry Bundy
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John Peters
List of N&W class Y3 that were sold, builder, and construction no.
2013, UP 3674 Schenectady 4 1919 61081
2014, ATSF 1794, VGN 736 Schenectady 4 1919 61082
2015, ATSF 1794, VGN 737 Schenectady 4 1919 61083
2020. UP 3671 Schenectady 4 1919 61088
2021, ATSF 1790, VGN 738 Schenectady 5 1919 61089
2022, ATSF 1791, VGN 739 Schenectady 5 1919 61090
2025, UP 3672 Schenectady 5 1919 61093
2026, ATSF 1793, VGN 740 Schenectady 5 1919 61094
2027, PRR 375 Schenectady 5 1919 61095
2029, ATSF 1795, VGN 741 Schenectady 5 1919 61097
2030, UP 3670 Schenectady 5 1919 61098
2034, PRR 376 Schenectady 5 1919 61102
2035, ATSF 1796, VGN 742 Schenectady 5 1919 61103
2036, PRR 377 Schenectady 5 1919 61104
2041, UP 3673 Schenectady 5 1919 61109
2042, ATSF 1797 Schenectady 5 1919 61110
2046, PRR 378 Baldwin 8 1919 52189
Jim Blackstock
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John, the standard reference work on articulateds is Robert LeMassena's book
"Articulated Steam Locomotives of North America" They can be found in ggod
condition for about $75 at train shows. Pg 211 says that in 1947 the VGN
purchases AT&SF #'s 1794, 92, 90, 91, 93, 95, 96 (Yep, they are listed in
that order?!), and on the VGN they were 736-742. On pg 213 is a picture of
738, with caption "Those familiar with N&W motive power ... can detect the
origin of GVN ... 732-742, although the lineage was not direct. The N&W had
sold 8 1919-model USRA-standard articualteds to theAT&SF in 1943.. when WWII
was over, 7 were resold to the VGN. More powerful that the VGN's own locos
of the same vintage, these possessed 270-psi steam pressure, and they were
equiped with feedwater heaters... Unfortunately the LaMassena book does
not give CN's. I've hard there was a vol 2 of the book but have never seen
one.
The TLC Publishing reprint (available from the N&W hist Soc store) of the
aug 1955 locomotive diagrams lists the builder's nos, and road nos for each
road. Contact me off list with a fax no or address and I'll be happy to
forward a copy.
Michael Ross, TX
Building an O Scale VGN Ry.
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[Marty Swartz replies:]
These Alco (Schenectady) locomotives were acquired from ATSF in December
of 1947 and designated class USE by the VGN. Please note, Mr. Moderator
and others, that these should NOT be referred to as (ahem) "VGN Y3's".
(*Shudder*) All were scrapped in June of 1955. Details extracted from page
174 of H. Reid's book "The Virginian Railway" are as follows.
Construction # and date / N&W # / ATSF # / VGN #
61082 April 1919 / 2014 / 1794 / 736
61083 April 1919 / 2015 / 1792 / 737
61089 May 1919 / 2021 / 1790 / 738
61090 June 1919 / 2022 / 1791 / 739
61094 June 1919 / 2026 / 1793 / 740
61097 June 1919 / 2029 / 1795 / 741
61103 June 1919 / 2035 / 1796 / 742
[OK, if N&W called them Y3s and VGN called the USEs,
who knows what the ATSF called them?]
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