[N&W] Re: Lambert's Point - car capacity question
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Oakie:
Where in Detroit was the coal you loaded going? K. Borg
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Okie,
You make a very good point. It depends on the density of coal, which varies
from mine to mine. The coal that you refer to must have been some of the
low-density coal. I remember a number of years ago when an investigation by
the N & W Car Department revealed that these same cars that you refered to
were being greatly overloaded by the high-density coal from a particular
mine. So, with a fixed cubic capacity,
some cars will doubtless have less than 100 tons whereas others will have
more than that. Cars now can accomodate heavier loads of the high-density
coal since the AAR's permissible gross rail load was raised from 263,000
lb. to 286,000 lb. a number of years ago.
Gordon Hamilton
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Subject: Re: Lambert's Point - car capacity question
> Having little experience with loading coal hoppers I did load several test
> coal shipments on the DT&I during the 70's coal boom and was surprised
that
> a 100 ton car was handling only 83 tons average of mine run E KY coal. We
> filled them to the brim and they were N&W cars. Shipments were for Detroit
> and we loaded at Pedro, OH using an old clay truck ramp for direct drop
into
> the cars.
>
> Oakie Ford
>
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> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Lambert's Point
>
>
> > Wayne,
> >
> > Pardon my delay in responding, but I was waiting for some current
> > information on export coal train sizes and capacity of ships loaded at
L.
> > Pt.
> >
> > For facts and figures, you can search for "Lamberts Point Coal" on the
Web
> > and come up with lots of data. Three that are particularly informative
> are:
> >
> > www.energy.vt.edu/pdfs/VACoal1999.pdf
> >
> > www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/lamberts-point.htm)
> >
> > www.nscorp.com/nscorphtml/coal/transload/lamberts_point.html-3k
> >
> > I would look askance at the claim that it takes 15 train loads of coal
to
> > fill the AVERAGE collier. A NS source checked AEI scans of export coal
> > trains and determined that they are running 170 to 180 100-ton cars per
> > train. The same source determined that the capacity of ships loaded
there
> > recently and the number of cars required is as follows:
> > 17,000 tons 120 cars
> > 27,000 270
> > 77,000 750
> > 83,500 910
> > Although the number of cars for the first listing is obviously too low
to
> > fill the ship, the others figure to be about 100 tons/car, which is
what
> > would be expected. The Virginia Tech Web site given above states,
> "...over
> > 150,000 tons of coal have been loaded in a single collier" as though
this
> > was something of a record. Even if this were the average, and we can
see
> > it is far from it, one of these largest ships would only require about
> 1,500
> > cars, or some 8.5 train loads.
> >
> > Gordon Hamilton
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "N&W Mailing List" <mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> > To: "N&W Mailing List" <mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 11:03 PM
> > Subject: Lambert's Point
> >
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Last year I appealed to the Society for help preparing an article
for
> the
> > > Roanoke Locomotive Shop newsletter, "The Quality Connection."
Several
> > > members responded and have my gratitude. I tried to send copies of
the
> > > magazine to those who helped out and I hope you all received them.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I'm needing help again; this time with information
concerning
> the
> > > coal operations at Lambert's Point. I was given a thorough tour of
the
> > > facility on Mar. 3, just after the safety awards ceremonies, but was
> more
> > > intent on taking pictures than jotting down facts and figures. I
went
> to
> > > the Salem library to day to browse their back issues of "The Arrow,"
> but
> > > they don't have a very large collection and I found nothing helpful.
> Have
> > > there been articles in past issues concerning the coal pier?
> > >
> > > What I'm needing is basic information concerning coal handling,
> tonnages,
> > > etc. One thing I do remember the Machinist/guide telling us is that
the
> > > average collier holds 15 train loads of coal. A pretty amazing
figure
> in
> > > itself.
> > >
> > > BTW, I hope I'm not letting confidential information out but telling
> you
> > > that the signs are that coal exports will be very much higher this
> year.
> > > The "Business Outlook" speeches at the awards banquet were very
upbeat
> and
> > > the rumors flying around are predicting that exports may reach
levels
> > > comparable to those of 1996-1997. If these prove to be true, it will
be
> a
> > > tremendous help with the financial problems NS has experienced
> recently.
> > >
> > > Also, I've noticed in some of the posts here people mention posting
> > > pictures. If someone will give me an address where to send them,
I'll
> post
> > > some of the shots I took at the coal pier. I was allowed to go to
the
> very
> > > top of the loaders and got some pretty nice pictures. I also have
some
> of
> > > 1218 when (he, she, it?) was in the shop in June of last year; just
> before
> > > being given to the Transportation Museum. I'll be glad to post some
of
> > > those as well.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > > Wayne McKinney
> > > Roanoke Locomotive shop
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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