Insulators
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Rick,
I hadn't looked that far back in the ETT. But in my 1946 ETT it does appear
as Rule 103. It says:
"103. White porcelain insulators have been installed on the telegraph line
to indicate the dispatchers' wires. Portable telephone users, when hooking
up phones, will connect to this circuit. CAUTION - Connections should not
be made where lines cross our track, or at any point where the line is
located off our right of way account of power companies at a few locations
using white insulators in crossings; also where their lines parallel our
tracks."
Thanks.
Jim
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Subject: Re: Insulators
> Jim
>
> Are you sure? I've got it as rule 104 in the May 4, 1941 and rule 103 in
> July 21, 1955.
>
> Stoney
> Rick C. Stone
> Member #1
>
> nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org wrote:
>> Bingo Gordon!
>>
>> My Shenandoah Division ETT No. 10, effective Sunday, April 29, 1956,
>> contains the same exact general rule. However, this rule is absent from
>> my Shenandoah Division ETT No. 3, effective Sunday, June 16, 1946.
>>
>> Anybody narrow this down any further?
>>
>> Jim Brewer
>> Glenwood MD
>> www.pocahontasmodels.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> To: "N&W Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 8:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: Insulators
>>
>>
>>> Using Pocahontas Division Emp. TT No. 23, Eff. 10/31/65 as an example,
>>> General Rule No. 14 states, "White porcelain insulators have been
>>> installed
>>> on certain portions of the Railway's communication pole line to indicate
>>> the
>>> dispatcher's circuit. Portable telephone users, when hooking up
>>> telephones,
>>> will connect to this circuit.
>>>
>>> "Caution must be exercised to see that connections are made only to the
>>> Railway's communication pole line. At some locations power companies,
>>> where
>>> their lines cross our tracks or parallel our tracks either on or off the
>>> right of way, use white insulators."
>>>
>>> Gordon Hamilton
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>> To: "N&,W Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:55 PM
>>> Subject: Insulators
>>>
>>>
>>>> To: "N&W Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>>> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:24:26 -0500
>>>> From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
>>>> Subject: White Insulators
>>>>
>>>> N&W used two white insulators on its lineside poles.
>>>> I believe these insulators were used on the lines
>>>> (wires) that allowed communication with the dispatcher
>>>> and station agents along the right-of-way. In an
>>>> emergency, the train crews could attach a portable
>>>> handset to these lines in order to communicate with
>>>> other personnel.
>>>>
>>>> My question involves the location/placement of the
>>>> white insulators. I believe they were always on the
>>>> lowest arm of the lineside pole, and were the two
>>>> insulators closest to the track. I've looked through
>>>> numerous books but can't seem to verify this.
>>>>
>>>> I believe all other insulators were green in color,
>>>> but I'm not certain about this.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have a better insight into this interesting
>>>> detail?
>>>>
>>>> Jim Brewer
>>>> Glenwood MD
>>>> www.pocahontasmodels.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:55:48 -0500
>>>> To: "N&W Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>>> From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
>>>> Subject: Re: White Insulators
>>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> After a recent post on this subject I have been
>>>> looking out for the white insulators. On the Pumpkin
>>>> Vine near Starkey, VA they are located on the lowest
>>>> arm, nearest the track. At one time they may have
>>>> existed on all poles, but now most --but not every--
>>>> pole has two white insulators. When they are not
>>>> white they are usually clear.
>>>>
>>>> The other insulators on the pole are a mixture of
>>>> clear and green.
>>>>
>>>> I have not spotted any white insulators on the Main
>>>> Line through Vinton, VA. Just a mixture of clear and
>>>> green. Did this line ever have white insulators? Or
>>>> were they only specific to certain divisions?
>>>>
>>>> Ron Davis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> December 16, 2004
>>>>
>>>> Hello, all:
>>>>
>>>> I do not think train crews had portable telephone sets
>>>> to tap into the dispatcher lines. Also, they would
>>>> have to climb a pole to reach the wires. It's my
>>>> belief that signals and communications were the only
>>>> people who made temporary connections, but might have
>>>> done this under emergency conditions such as at a
>>>> wreck site.
>>>>
>>>> The other color insulator used consistently on N&W
>>>> lines was brown-glazed porcelain. These were for the
>>>> 440-volt conductors on the top crossarm.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, along the Hagerstown District, the white
>>>> insulators remain. However, even though other wires
>>>> remain on the pole line, the wires have been removed
>>>> from the dispatcher line and an adjoining message line
>>>> (I think). This suggests to me that dispatcher and
>>>> message communications were removed from the pole line
>>>> well before the signal code lines on upper crossarms
>>>> were deactivated. Does anyone know this to be a fact,
>>>> or when the wire removal took place? Is the same lack
>>>> of wires attached to white insulators evident
>>>> elsewhere on the N&W?
>>>>
>>>> By the way, I understand the contractor removal crew
>>>> reached Elkton from Roanoke, but there is no
>>>> currently-active code line removal in progress. Ben,
>>>> has worked resumed on the Bristol code line removal?
>>>>
>>>> Happy holidays,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =====
>>>> Dr. Frank R. Scheer, Curator
>>>> Railway Mail Service Library, Inc.
>>>> f_scheer at yahoo.com
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>>>> (540) 837-9090 - weekend afternoons
>>>> in the former N&W station on VA rte 723
>>>> 117 East Main Street
>>>> Boyce VA 22620-9639
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