The Cost Savings of Steam Today.

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Ed

Point taken:

issue of one of supply and demand and where the leadership would come from 
to reduce the U.S. dependency on foreign oil supplies.

Detroit has only a partial interest in non-oil cars. They have always had a 
hidden relationship w/ the oil production industry, patents that would have 
allowed very efficient carburization systems that have been held off the 
market for many yrs. All greed driven. Market Place driven w/o regard for 
the basic health and longevity of the U.S. The the corporate leaders knew 
that the supply is finite, but a "don't care, it won't happen on my watch" 
mentality.

Here in DC, there has not been any reduction in cars commuting into the 
city since prices when over $3.00/gal in 07'. 0 change in the consumer 
driving habits.

Simply an observation.

But the NS and coal mining industries in Va, Pa, Kentucky, Tenn, WVa and 
Ohio could start to use the tops of their land to put up solar collectors 
and wind turbines to begin to supply electricity directly into the national 
grid. This has started in Penn. just off the Penn Turnpike as you head west 
from Breezewood.

They could  be the direct supplies just like Duke or Va Dominion Power 
companies.

A major shift in the market place.

Eric


At 02:49 PM 1/14/2008 -0500, you wrote:

>One thing wrong with your posit, Eric, and that is that "Fed's need to 

>mandate . . ."

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>Most of our trouble now is because the "Fed's" have become too involved in 

>what's going on.  The "Fed's" tell us now we can't drill for our own oil, 

>we can't build new refineries, we can't build modern state-of-the-art 

>nuclear power plants or clean coal-burning power plants.

>

>Now Senator Reid wants to raise taxes on the oil companies.  You want gas 

>to go to $6.00 per gallon, support Senator Reid's plan.

>

>You have to remember something about these power company barons - and the 

>oil barons, and the drug barons, and the steel barons, and all those other 

>barons . . .

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>None of them want to tell you what you can and can't drive, but the 

>"Fed's" do; none of them want to tell you what you can say and when you 

>can say it, but the "Fed's" do; none of them want to tell you what you can 

>eat or not eat, but the "Fed's" do (if I want to eat trans fats, that's my 

>business); none of them want to tell you where and when you can smoke, but 

>the "Fed's" do (secondhand smoke has not been proven to be harmful, just 

>unpleasant) . . .

>

>Ed King

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>Subject: RE: The Cost Savings of Steam Today.

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>Gentlemen:

>

>Check out "Green River Formation" Shale Oil deposit  in Colo area. U.S. 

>has enough oil (how be it in the shale) to be completely self sufficient 

>from the Arabs right now, not including the coal under our soil and solar 

>collection and wind turbines for simple electrical production for the 

>entire population of the U.S.

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>Fed's need to mandate the shifting of electrical production out of the 

>hands of the few power company barons and allow home production and green 

>solutions. Major presentations on the Discovery and Science channels over 

>the last 12 - 18 months. The technologies exist right now.

>

>w/ $100 per barrel, it is now very cost effective to go after these solutions.

>

>China and Russia can slug it out between themselves and the Arabs.

>

>Eric

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>At 01:00 PM 1/14/2008 -0500, you wrote:

>>Ed Sproles

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>>You are right that the "experts" have been saying for decades "we're 

>>almost out of oil".  There are some big deposits out there that are just 

>>coming on line (Sakhalin, Russia, with more oil and gas than the North 

>>Slope of Alaska, for example).  And I don't know if its "good news" but 

>>Russia has more oil and gas than the entire middle east, just a "little 

>>bit" harder to get out of the ground.

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>>Ed Svitil

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>>Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:54:00 -0500

>>Subject: Re: The Cost Savings of Steam Today.

>>To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org

>>From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org

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>>Most published information indicates that the world will run out of 

>>readily recoverable oil in the next 25 to 50 years.  However, this has 

>>been the story for the past century, indicating that we constantly find 

>>ways to recover deposits that were not considered practical to recover in 

>>the past.  There are also new discoveries, but the "experts" claim that 

>>all the really big deposits have been found.

>>these estimated generally do not include oil in tar sands and oil shale, 

>>both of which hold vast amounts of oil.  the Canadians are recovering 

>>about a million barrels a day from tar sands, not an insignificant 

>>amount.  Oil shale, located in Colorado and other places, is said to hold 

>>much more oil than the Saudis have, but we have no commercial process to 

>>recover it at present.

>>Coal deposits are said to be adequate for several centuries of consumption.

>>Ed Sproles

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>>Just one question....

>>  Has anyone compared the current supply of crude oil and the approximate 

>> depletion of such to the amount of coal underground and how long it is 

>> estimated to last??  We ain't burying dinosaurs anymore.

>>Gary Price

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