N&W 2156 in St. Louis

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It seems 2156 is safe at St. Louis, even if away from home. We might 
better focus our near-term (NWRHS and VMT) efforts and resources on the 
equipment still in the weather at the scrapyard in Roanoke.


Jeff Cornelius
Two Blocks from the N&W Valley Line


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Andre - Nobody in 2008 should question the 2156's
being in Saint Lewis.  I was around in 1959 and there just weren't
that many places for big steam to go; there was no VMT.  The Roanoke 
Museum
at Wasena Park wasn't ready for such a thing (they got the 1218 and 763 
and the
2-6-6-6 much later).  I recall being thankful as h--l that the 2156 was
going to be saved and sent someplace where it would be cared for.  I 
had a
connection - a big connection - with it from my Bristol years, and I'm 
still
glad it's around.





There is no question that the big three should be
together, but how it could be done boggles the mind.





I'm glad that the MOT cares for it as well as they
do; there was a time  - a long time - when it didn't look as good as it
does now.





And, Cuz, don't worry about your $.02 FWIW - yours
is worth more than a lot of others.  Keep 'em coming, and remember -
BRISTOL LINE FOREVER!





Your Favorite Uncle - Ed King




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OK, I'll admit to keeping sent msg.'s way too
   long. That said, this issue rises every coupla years and threatens to 
restart
   the Civil War. Having once made the mistake of wearing a St. Louis 
t-shirt
  on an NS steam trip originating in Roanoke, I learned quickly how
  sensitive an issue this is. I thought half-seriously a few
  folks were gonna kick me off the train and refund my $$ on the
  spot.


That said, here's a view from the Midwest
   representing none but me that I penned in 2000. As usual, it's my  
$.02
  FWIW and I realize everybody's entitled to an opinion.





Hi:
Given the discussion over museum engines, thought I'd fwd. a
  response I
posted back in '00 when the issue of why was there a Y6a in St.
  Louis arose.
The basic points hold true today IMHO.
Herewith:

At
  the risk of stepping into WWIII in the New Millennium, I'll offer
my IMHO
  thoughts as a St. Louisan.
At the time of the steam-2-diesel transition,
  the National Museum of
Transport in St. Louis had already been in existence
  for a number of years.
The stated goal of the museum's founder was to build
  a nationally
representative transportation collection. Since his day job
  was as a surgeon
for Missouri Pacific (which once had a large hospital in
  St. Louis of the
same name), he had wonderful access to RR bigwigs of the
  day. That explains
how an SP Daylight 4-8-4, an ATSF 2-10-4, a Big Boy, a
  CRI&P Aerotrain, the
much-discussed DL&W camelback and a CNR light
  Pacific all ended up here --
that's in addition to the Y6. The museum had a
  place to house all this stuff
as the railroads were busy jettisoning it.
  I'm unsure when the VMT was
founded, which, I agree, would have been a neat
  home for the Mallet.
When I discussed the camelback a few years back with
  the then-museum
director, he mentioned the collection's national scope and
  how, if they
hadn't been around 40-plus years ago, much of the iron, though
  not
necessarily the Y6, would likely have gone to scrap. Their attitude is
  they
now own the stuff and have maintained it (more or less) through the
  years,
although the director didn't seem absolutely averse to loaning
  equipment
back to qualified group with adequate backing and experience to
  accomplish
equipment moves. What I gathered they resented were railfan
  groups making
demands for return and claims of ownership and not leaving
  much room for
reasonable negotiation. I'll admit there are some strong
  personality quirks
and conflicts among our fraternity and larger goals
  often disappear amidst
squabbling.
I'd doubt the museum would demand a
  million bucks ranson; a 50-year
volunteer there told me once about the Y6
  that the contract NS presented
them would, in their opinion, basically have
  allowed the RR to never return
the engine. They wouldn't go for that, he
  said.
 I say all this realizing this whole discussion's been a sore
  point
threatening Midwest-Mid-Atlantic relations for years :), so I hope no
  one
takes offense. Both sides do raise valid points. And there is that Y3
  in
Chicagoland that's also a long way from home. She appears in worse
  shape
than the Y6a (not necessarily the fault of IRM, which acquired the
  2050 from
a steel plant, I believe).
And there is the issue of the pair
  of Y6's that survived at a Roanoke
scrapyard into the 1970s, I believe. I'd
  have loved to have seen at least
one of them saved, but I gather the
  scrapper wouldn't part with them. Even
if NS had to pay an exorbitant price
  for them, that might have been cheaper
than hauling the Y6 1000 miles east
  from St. Louis.
Just my $.02.
Ducking as I write this...



Andre Jackson and/or Lisa Burrows
Life is short; update your
  anti-virus software




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I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE BROUGHT
    BACK TO ROANOKE WHERE IT BELONGS!!!!!!





DUSTIN W.

NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
    wrote:


I
       don't know about it's mechanical condition, but it's in pretty 
good

shape, cosmetically. It's under cover, though there are no walls
      around it.

Kenneth Rickman
Salisbury, NC

NW Mailing List
      wrote:

> Has anybody been to see the 2156 mallet in the National

      Transportation

> Museum in St. Louis? I'm curious what kind of

      condition it is in. I'm

> thinking about making a trip out this

      summer.

>

> Mike Weeks

> Charlotte

      NC
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