From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Jun 29 11:37:17 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:37:17 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Painting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <582CA7304D644A52929A3DD29AC7C234@071927350f> Well, we always wondered what the early N&W station and depot colors were. Seems they weren't the yellowish cream and rusty-red trim in the early days. Gary _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 5:36 PM To: 3N&W Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1909--Painting Bluefield Daily Telegraph November 20, 1909 THE GRAHAM DAILY NEWS ------ Painting Railroad Property In order to keep up the procession in Graham, the Norfolk and Western are having their property here newly painted and a big force is engaged in the work. The depot and other property in Graham owned by the company is being touched off with a nice coat of the standard gray used by the railroad. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Jun 29 11:31:03 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:31:03 -0400 Subject: Model Contest Entry Form In-Reply-To: <002801c9f6b6$886549f0$0301a8c0@jim> References: <002801c9f6b6$886549f0$0301a8c0@jim> Message-ID: Yes, Jim , it will be posted by mid-week. Gary Rolih Secretary N&WHS _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 7:30 PM To: N&W Mailing List Subject: Model Contest Entry Form Will the model contest entry form be available on line prior to the convention for anyone who would like to get a head start on completing it? Jim Brewer Glenwood MD -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Jun 29 12:55:20 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:55:20 -0400 Subject: Photos of Damascus Depot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D7AB1B9-F504-4AA8-994A-791750D1A300@oscalemag.com> Gentlemen, I'm still searching for photos of the Damascus, VA depot. I'd like to see all four sides but I'll settle for a front view as I have photos of the two ends taken at different times. I am willing to pay $100 for a set of the four sides or $25 for a front view. We can discuss format offline. BTW, I actually found a photo of the boxcar depot at Creek junction! Regards Joe Giannovario Publisher O Scale Trains Magazine jag -at- oscalemag.com From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Jun 29 18:48:32 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:48:32 +0000 Subject: Virginian class USE whistles? Message-ID: <062920092248.29427.4A4944C0000A6BE6000072F322218683269B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCACF0A900E0B09079D0D@att.net> Does anybody know if the Virginian class USE 2-8-8-2 mallets (ex-N&W) still have their N&W style hooter whistles when they arrived on VGN property in 1948? Thanks for any info. Dave Grigsby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Jun 29 19:45:06 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:45:06 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Painting References: <582CA7304D644A52929A3DD29AC7C234@071927350f> Message-ID: I don't know about that . What year was the brick station built at Graham??? Maybe trimmed in gray?? Larry Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Painting Well, we always wondered what the early N&W station and depot colors were. Seems they weren't the yellowish cream and rusty-red trim in the early days. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 5:36 PM To: 3N&W Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1909--Painting Bluefield Daily Telegraph November 20, 1909 THE GRAHAM DAILY NEWS ------ Painting Railroad Property In order to keep up the procession in Graham, the Norfolk and Western are having their property here newly painted and a big force is engaged in the work. The depot and other property in Graham owned by the company is being touched off with a nice coat of the standard gray used by the railroad. ------ Gordon Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Jun 29 21:42:05 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:42:05 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Painting References: <582CA7304D644A52929A3DD29AC7C234@071927350f> Message-ID: I don't know about the brick passenger station, but among larger buildings there would have been the freight station and the tower, both probably wooden, plus various wooden utility buildings that were a lot more prevalent in 1909 than they are today. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: N&W in 1909--Painting I don't know about that . What year was the brick station built at Graham??? Maybe trimmed in gray?? Larry Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Painting Well, we always wondered what the early N&W station and depot colors were. Seems they weren't the yellowish cream and rusty-red trim in the early days. Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 5:36 PM To: 3N&W Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1909--Painting Bluefield Daily Telegraph November 20, 1909 THE GRAHAM DAILY NEWS ------ Painting Railroad Property In order to keep up the procession in Graham, the Norfolk and Western are having their property here newly painted and a big force is engaged in the work. The depot and other property in Graham owned by the company is being touched off with a nice coat of the standard gray used by the railroad. ------ Gordon Hamilton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.94/2208 - Release Date: 06/29/09 05:54:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Jun 29 21:57:27 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:57:27 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge Message-ID: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop> Bluefield Daily Telegraph November 23, 1909 TO BRIDGE THE SCIOTO ------ Plans for New Structure Completed by Norfolk and Western Plans have now been completed by the Norfolk and Western officials for the construction of a new bridge over the Scioto river adjacent to the present one just west of Chillicothe. Blue prints are now in the hands of the chief engineers of the road and the work will be begun as soon as right of way trouble is cleared up. The bridge will be built at an angle of about 60 degrees from the present bridge. The abutment on this side will be extended and the first part of the bridge will be built on it, but the remainder of the piers will be separate, although built close together. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jun 30 01:03:32 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Boyce station open before and after the N&WHS convention! Message-ID: <624949.34699.qm@web30107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> June 30, 2009 Some N&W historians haven't visited the Hagerstown District or examined its operations. There will be an "day office" at Boyce station before and after the convention dates so people traveling along I-81 can learn more about the northern-most corner of the N&W. Boyce station will be open for visitation a week from today on Tuesday -July 7, Wednesday - July 8, and Sunday, July 12. The hours are 10 AM until 4 PM each day. If anyone notifies me that they may be earlier or later, I'll arrange to be there. The station is about 8 miles southeast of Winchester, Virginia, near exit 313 along Interstate 81. Take U.S. Highway 50 east about six miles to the intersection of U.S. Highway 340. Go north two miles on route 340 to the blinker light in Boyce, then go on East Main Street about 1/4 mile until crossing the track. There will also be an evening cook-out and train program under the stars (pray for no rain) on Saturday, September 12. Please hold the date open if you're willing to come to milepost H46.1. I'll send a reminder about a week before the "train night" with additional information. Looking forward to seeing some of the faces behind the names on this list in July or September --or any other date that you can stop by! Best wishes, Frank Scheer f_scheer at yahoo.com From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jun 30 10:42:44 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:42:44 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge In-Reply-To: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop> References: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop> Message-ID: <1A63E013823F436987CAE1A7CD918449@071927350f> And the new, second bridge was for the double track program and was a deck girder bridge while the previous bridge was a through truss. Unfortunately, in March of 1913, this new bridge was obliterated by the big flash flood of that date. The 1913 flood was a real biggie which wiped out most of the railroad and interurban bridges and tracks in the state of Ohio. Gary Rolih Cincinnati _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:57 PM To: 3N&W Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge Bluefield Daily Telegraph November 23, 1909 TO BRIDGE THE SCIOTO ------ Plans for New Structure Completed by Norfolk and Western Plans have now been completed by the Norfolk and Western officials for the construction of a new bridge over the Scioto river adjacent to the present one just west of Chillicothe. Blue prints are now in the hands of the chief engineers of the road and the work will be begun as soon as right of way trouble is cleared up. The bridge will be built at an angle of about 60 degrees from the present bridge. The abutment on this side will be extended and the first part of the bridge will be built on it, but the remainder of the piers will be separate, although built close together. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jun 30 12:49:43 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:49:43 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge References: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop> <1A63E013823F436987CAE1A7CD918449@071927350f> Message-ID: BTW: What was N&W's presence in Cleveland? Their route map from the 50's shows that they ran west to Cincinnati and Columbus. Did they have trackage rights to Cleveland or did they acquire that route thru their mergers in the early 60's? Mike Weeks Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org on behalf of NW Mailing List Sent: Tue 6/30/2009 10:42 AM To: 'NW Mailing List' Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Bridge And the new, second bridge was for the double track program and was a deck girder bridge while the previous bridge was a through truss. Unfortunately, in March of 1913, this new bridge was obliterated by the big flash flood of that date. The 1913 flood was a real biggie which wiped out most of the railroad and interurban bridges and tracks in the state of Ohio. Gary Rolih Cincinnati ________________________________ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:57 PM To: 3N&W Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge Bluefield Daily Telegraph November 23, 1909 TO BRIDGE THE SCIOTO ------ Plans for New Structure Completed by Norfolk and Western Plans have now been completed by the Norfolk and Western officials for the construction of a new bridge over the Scioto river adjacent to the present one just west of Chillicothe. Blue prints are now in the hands of the chief engineers of the road and the work will be begun as soon as right of way trouble is cleared up. The bridge will be built at an angle of about 60 degrees from the present bridge. The abutment on this side will be extended and the first part of the bridge will be built on it, but the remainder of the piers will be separate, although built close together. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3480 bytes Desc: not available Url : From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jun 30 12:45:42 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:45:42 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge References: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop> <1A63E013823F436987CAE1A7CD918449@071927350f> Message-ID: I just finished bicycling from Cleveland to Akron on the Ohio and Erie towpath. Lots of railroad history and bridges in Cleveland and along the towpath. Just building on what Gary said, the historical signs along the canal really emphasized that the 1913 flood was simply devastating to the area and finished off what remained of the canal for good. The State of Ohio (the current owner) had just spent a lot of money in the previous few years to rebuild sections of the canal, but the flood damage was so overwhelming and the market share dominated by the railroads that they simply decided not to rebuild. Mike Weeks Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org on behalf of NW Mailing List Sent: Tue 6/30/2009 10:42 AM To: 'NW Mailing List' Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Bridge And the new, second bridge was for the double track program and was a deck girder bridge while the previous bridge was a through truss. Unfortunately, in March of 1913, this new bridge was obliterated by the big flash flood of that date. The 1913 flood was a real biggie which wiped out most of the railroad and interurban bridges and tracks in the state of Ohio. Gary Rolih Cincinnati ________________________________ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:57 PM To: 3N&W Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge Bluefield Daily Telegraph November 23, 1909 TO BRIDGE THE SCIOTO ------ Plans for New Structure Completed by Norfolk and Western Plans have now been completed by the Norfolk and Western officials for the construction of a new bridge over the Scioto river adjacent to the present one just west of Chillicothe. Blue prints are now in the hands of the chief engineers of the road and the work will be begun as soon as right of way trouble is cleared up. The bridge will be built at an angle of about 60 degrees from the present bridge. The abutment on this side will be extended and the first part of the bridge will be built on it, but the remainder of the piers will be separate, although built close together. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3660 bytes Desc: not available Url : From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jun 30 13:12:04 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:12:04 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge In-Reply-To: References: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop><1A63E013823F436987CAE1A7CD918449@071927350f> Message-ID: <1B8FD2315E1D49DFB1711EEBF807899C@071927350f> The old Scioto Division ended at Cincinnati and Columbus. After the merger of the NKP in 1964, the N&W gained direct access into Cleveland. The NKP route roughly followed the shore line of Lake Erie and paralleled the New York Central Water Level Route. In addition, the N&W got the Wabash which also had tracks in Ohio, but not to Cleveland. Part of the NKP was the Wheeling & Lake Erie which ran from the eastern Ohio coal fields up towards Lorain and Toledo and the coal piers there. The W&LE was leased b the NKP in 1949. Gary Rolih Cincinnati -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:50 PM To: NW Mailing List Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Bridge BTW: What was N&W's presence in Cleveland? Their route map from the 50's shows that they ran west to Cincinnati and Columbus. Did they have trackage rights to Cleveland or did they acquire that route thru their mergers in the early 60's? Mike Weeks Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org on behalf of NW Mailing List Sent: Tue 6/30/2009 10:42 AM To: 'NW Mailing List' Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Bridge And the new, second bridge was for the double track program and was a deck girder bridge while the previous bridge was a through truss. Unfortunately, in March of 1913, this new bridge was obliterated by the big flash flood of that date. The 1913 flood was a real biggie which wiped out most of the railroad and interurban bridges and tracks in the state of Ohio. Gary Rolih Cincinnati ________________________________ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:57 PM To: 3N&W Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge Bluefield Daily Telegraph November 23, 1909 TO BRIDGE THE SCIOTO ------ Plans for New Structure Completed by Norfolk and Western Plans have now been completed by the Norfolk and Western officials for the construction of a new bridge over the Scioto river adjacent to the present one just west of Chillicothe. Blue prints are now in the hands of the chief engineers of the road and the work will be begun as soon as right of way trouble is cleared up. The bridge will be built at an angle of about 60 degrees from the present bridge. The abutment on this side will be extended and the first part of the bridge will be built on it, but the remainder of the piers will be separate, although built close together. ------ Gordon Hamilton From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jun 30 13:07:09 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:07:09 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge In-Reply-To: References: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop> <1A63E013823F436987CAE1A7CD918449@071927350f> Message-ID: <004201c9f9a5$351b9550$9f52bff0$@net> Ex-NKP from 1964 merger Jim Nichols -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:50 AM To: NW Mailing List Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Bridge BTW: What was N&W's presence in Cleveland? Their route map from the 50's shows that they ran west to Cincinnati and Columbus. Did they have trackage rights to Cleveland or did they acquire that route thru their mergers in the early 60's? Mike Weeks Charlotte From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jun 30 12:58:01 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:58:01 -0400 Subject: Model Contest Entry Form In-Reply-To: <002801c9f6b6$886549f0$0301a8c0@jim> References: <002801c9f6b6$886549f0$0301a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <4A4A4419.8020403@phys.vt.edu> The Model & Photo contest entry form has been placed on our convention website in PDF form. You can select it from the menu as "PDF Contest Entry Form", or use the following direct link. http://www.nwhs.org/convention/2009roanoke/2009-Contest-Entry-Form-1.pdf - Roger Link NW Mailing List wrote: > Will the model contest entry form be available on line prior to the > convention for anyone who would like to get a head start on completing it? > > Jim Brewer > Glenwood MD > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jun 30 14:04:12 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge Message-ID: <376984.13021.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How do the alignments of these two prior bridges look compared to today's alignment? I have always thought that the approach to Chillicothe was somewhat of an awkward one from the west. Whit Wardell Canal Winchester, OH And the new, second bridge was for the double track program and was a deck girder bridge while the previous bridge was a through truss. Unfortunately, in March of 1913, this new bridge was obliterated by the big flash flood of that date. The 1913 flood was a real biggie which wiped out most of the railroad and interurban bridges and tracks in the state of Ohio. Gary Rolih Cincinnati -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jun 30 18:54:47 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:54:47 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge In-Reply-To: <1B8FD2315E1D49DFB1711EEBF807899C@071927350f> References: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop><1A63E013823F436987CAE1A7CD918449@071927350f> <1B8FD2315E1D49DFB1711EEBF807899C@071927350f> Message-ID: As a part of the 1964 N&W merger/lease of the WAB, NKP, P&WV, and ACY the Sandusky line of the PRR was sold to the N&W. This line provided the original N&W with a link to the newly acquired railroad lines. The PRR Sandusky Line connected to the N&W Scioto Division at Columbus, OH and went north to Sandusky, OH, located on Lake Erie. Sandusky provided (as it had for years) an outlet for N&W coal via lake shipping to be distributed various points on the Great Lakes. At Bellevue, OH the Sandusky Line intersected the east-west NKP (Buffalo/Cleveland-Chicago/St. Louis mainline) and the former east-west W&LE mainline (the W&LE connected to the east with the P&WV at Pittsburgh Junction, OH which ran east to Connellsville, PA/Pittsburgh, PA and westward to Toledo, OH where it connected with various railroads there including the Wabash). The NKP running west from Bellevue intersected the Wabash Detroit/Toledo-St. Louis KC mainline at Ft, Wayne, IN. Also intersected by the Sandusky Line (south of Bellevue) at Cary, OH was the ACY east west-line from Akron/Mogador, OH to Delphos, OH. The N&W post merger also entered Cleveland by way of the former W&LE line that left the W&LE east-west main just east of Brewster, OH at Harmon going north through Canton, Mogadore (where it connected with the ACY), Kent, and into Cleveland. The N&W also entered Cleveland from the west using trackage rights (that existed pre-N&W merger) off of the former W&LE east-west mainline at Wellington, OH running over the Big Four/NYC/PC line to Berea and on into Cleveland. So 2 different entrances to Cleveland were made over the former W&LE. All in all the N&W reached Cleveland over the former NKP east-west mainline, from the south over the former W&LE line from Brewster/Harmon and from the west over W&LE trackage rights on the Big 4/NYC/PC from Wellington. Ed Painter; from Narrows, VA originally - currently living in Russellville, AR - and for an 8 1/2 years period (1970-78) in the Akron-Canton, Oh area. -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:50 PM To: NW Mailing List Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Bridge BTW: What was N&W's presence in Cleveland? Their route map from the 50's shows that they ran west to Cincinnati and Columbus. Did they have trackage rights to Cleveland or did they acquire that route thru their mergers in the early 60's? Mike Weeks Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org on behalf of NW Mailing List Sent: Tue 6/30/2009 10:42 AM To: 'NW Mailing List' Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Bridge And the new, second bridge was for the double track program and was a deck girder bridge while the previous bridge was a through truss. Unfortunately, in March of 1913, this new bridge was obliterated by the big flash flood of that date. The 1913 flood was a real biggie which wiped out most of the railroad and interurban bridges and tracks in the state of Ohio. Gary Rolih Cincinnati ________________________________ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:57 PM To: 3N&W Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge Bluefield Daily Telegraph November 23, 1909 TO BRIDGE THE SCIOTO ------ Plans for New Structure Completed by Norfolk and Western Plans have now been completed by the Norfolk and Western officials for the construction of a new bridge over the Scioto river adjacent to the present one just west of Chillicothe. Blue prints are now in the hands of the chief engineers of the road and the work will be begun as soon as right of way trouble is cleared up. The bridge will be built at an angle of about 60 degrees from the present bridge. The abutment on this side will be extended and the first part of the bridge will be built on it, but the remainder of the piers will be separate, although built close together. ------ Gordon Hamilton ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jun 30 21:41:52 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:41:52 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--New schedule Message-ID: <0C662F0A01F942A5B3A457AE1F5F312A@DellDesktop> Bluefield Daily Telegraph November 26, 1909 NEW SCHEDULE ------ Time Between Norfolk and Columbus to be Materially Shortened There are rumors to the effect that a new schedule is in course of arrangement which will materially shorten the time between Norfolk and Columbus. No. 15 makes a great many stops between Norfolk and Roanoke which could be cut out if a train to do local work was put on. This is said to be contemplated. Another project is to start No. 7 from East Radford instead of Bluefield and have it do the local work to this point, further relieving No. 15 of making stops. With this arrangement, it is claimed, a gain of about four hours can be made between Norfolk and Columbus. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jun 30 21:55:06 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:55:06 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge References: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop><1A63E013823F436987CAE1A7CD918449@071927350f> <1B8FD2315E1D49DFB1711EEBF807899C@071927350f> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: "'NW Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Bridge > Also intersected by the Sandusky Line (south of Bellevue) at Cary, OH was > the ACY east west-line from Akron/Mogador, OH to Delphos, OH. One small correction, the AC&Y crosses the Sandusky Line at Chatfield, Ohio. There is a connection in the southwest quadrant. It's the C&O that crosses the AC&Y at Carey. Keith Baker Ft Wayne, IN From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Jun 30 22:13:14 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:13:14 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge In-Reply-To: <376984.13021.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <376984.13021.qm@web81008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0D5CB3BE85A74668B1985D42A8796989@071927350f> Walt: The two bridges were dead side-by-side by alignment with the new bridge to the east, down-river side. The 'kink' coming down from Columbus was due to the fact that the Marietta & Cincinnati (B&O) had shops and the depot there in Chillicothe before the Scioto valley came through; 1876 vs 1853 for the M&C. The Scioto Valley came eastbound/south until it crossed the river at right angles then it had to angle west to clear the shop buildings and get over to the station area before heading south to Renick and Lunebeck. It followed the Ohio & Erie canal part of the way too and that influenced some of the direction choices. Ohio 104 and the N&W parallel the canal and the railroad used long portions of the tow path in the 1900's from Chillicothe to Waverly. Don't forget the main part of town was west of the M&C shops and up against the hills to the west. So the Scioto Valley Ry had to get close to the downtown area for the business. Today's bridge sits upon the right of way for the original two-track bridge washed out in 1913. Note that the N&W freight house sat just north of the Chillicothe depot and the Main Street/ US 50 overpass until a couple of years ago. At Renick, the Cincinnati, Hamilton & Dayton (to become part of the B&O in 1917) crossed underneath Chillicothe on its way to Jackson County and the coal fields. The tracks on the east side of Chillicothe reflect (loosely) the routes of the two railroads, CH&D and M&C, but the track were rearranged a bunch in the 1980's with the creation of Chessie and the combining of the CH&D, M&C and C&O trackage. Note also that the SV Ry picked the easy route relative to the amount of fill necessary by jumping to the west bank of the Scioto River above Chillicothe and going down to Waverly before jumping back to the east side and going down to Portsmouth. The C&O Northern Division used much more fill on its side in its quest for a low grade line there. But, it had the advantage of being built 50 years later than the SV Ry. As to the 1913 flood, it took out the bridge at Chillicothe leaving just the abundments on the banks, washed out or damaged the bridge at Paint Creek down by Renick, completely washed away the northern and southern approaches to the Scioto River Bridge at Waverly Glen Jean and rolled up the tracks at the Waverly interchange and sidings. The tower at Glen Jean was almost undercut by scouring; its deep concrete foundation was the only thing keeping it out of the river. At Vera, the bridge to the Cincinnati district had damage to the east bank abundment and the eastern pier was undercut by scouring so that it dropped 12-15 feet. The bridge over Brush Creek just to the west was damaged too. Portsmouth had about 10 feet.of water over the entire yard. In the 1937 flood it was all worse although flood control projects reduced the amount of flash flood damage. The water was deeper by about ten feet. The PRR published a thick book about the 1913 flood which is some hair raising reading about what flooding can do. The PRR had both the PFtW&C and Pan Handle mainlines nearly obliterated. Gary Rolih Cincinnati _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:04 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: N&W in 1909--Bridge How do the alignments of these two prior bridges look compared to today's alignment? I have always thought that the approach to Chillicothe was somewhat of an awkward one from the west. Whit Wardell Canal Winchester, OH And the new, second bridge was for the double track program and was a deck girder bridge while the previous bridge was a through truss. Unfortunately, in March of 1913, this new bridge was obliterated by the big flash flood of that date. The 1913 flood was a real biggie which wiped out most of the railroad and interurban bridges and tracks in the state of Ohio. Gary Rolih Cincinnati -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jul 1 00:40:26 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:40:26 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge In-Reply-To: References: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop><1A63E013823F436987CAE1A7CD918449@071927350f> <1B8FD2315E1D49DFB1711EEBF807899C@071927350f> Message-ID: <000601c9fa06$0e8d0340$2ba709c0$@rr.com> Thanks, that was very helpful. I also spent a few days bicycle riding the "rail-trails" in the Cleveland area as well as Dayton and Xenia. I'm sorry to get off topic, but I am amazed at how the State of Ohio has managed to save so many abandoned rail corridors and turn them into really beautiful biking/walking trails, with lots of old railroad artifacts around to keep the imagination stimulated. Bully for them! My home of NC has some pretty strict laws that revert abandoned rail corridors back to the original property owner (or their heirs) and subsequently many old rail corridors have been forever lost to use of the public. A lost opportunity and a real shame, IMHO. Thanks again for the info. Mike Weeks Charlotte NC -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:55 PM To: 'NW Mailing List' Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Bridge As a part of the 1964 N&W merger/lease of the WAB, NKP, P&WV, and ACY the Sandusky line of the PRR was sold to the N&W. This line provided the original N&W with a link to the newly acquired railroad lines. The PRR Sandusky Line connected to the N&W Scioto Division at Columbus, OH and went north to Sandusky, OH, located on Lake Erie. Sandusky provided (as it had for years) an outlet for N&W coal via lake shipping to be distributed various points on the Great Lakes. At Bellevue, OH the Sandusky Line intersected the east-west NKP (Buffalo/Cleveland-Chicago/St. Louis mainline) and the former east-west W&LE mainline (the W&LE connected to the east with the P&WV at Pittsburgh Junction, OH which ran east to Connellsville, PA/Pittsburgh, PA and westward to Toledo, OH where it connected with various railroads there including the Wabash). The NKP running west from Bellevue intersected the Wabash Detroit/Toledo-St. Louis KC mainline at Ft, Wayne, IN. Also intersected by the Sandusky Line (south of Bellevue) at Cary, OH was the ACY east west-line from Akron/Mogador, OH to Delphos, OH. The N&W post merger also entered Cleveland by way of the former W&LE line that left the W&LE east-west main just east of Brewster, OH at Harmon going north through Canton, Mogadore (where it connected with the ACY), Kent, and into Cleveland. The N&W also entered Cleveland from the west using trackage rights (that existed pre-N&W merger) off of the former W&LE east-west mainline at Wellington, OH running over the Big Four/NYC/PC line to Berea and on into Cleveland. So 2 different entrances to Cleveland were made over the former W&LE. All in all the N&W reached Cleveland over the former NKP east-west mainline, from the south over the former W&LE line from Brewster/Harmon and from the west over W&LE trackage rights on the Big 4/NYC/PC from Wellington. Ed Painter; from Narrows, VA originally - currently living in Russellville, AR - and for an 8 1/2 years period (1970-78) in the Akron-Canton, Oh area. -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:50 PM To: NW Mailing List Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Bridge BTW: What was N&W's presence in Cleveland? Their route map from the 50's shows that they ran west to Cincinnati and Columbus. Did they have trackage rights to Cleveland or did they acquire that route thru their mergers in the early 60's? Mike Weeks Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org on behalf of NW Mailing List Sent: Tue 6/30/2009 10:42 AM To: 'NW Mailing List' Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Bridge And the new, second bridge was for the double track program and was a deck girder bridge while the previous bridge was a through truss. Unfortunately, in March of 1913, this new bridge was obliterated by the big flash flood of that date. The 1913 flood was a real biggie which wiped out most of the railroad and interurban bridges and tracks in the state of Ohio. Gary Rolih Cincinnati ________________________________ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:57 PM To: 3N&W Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge Bluefield Daily Telegraph November 23, 1909 TO BRIDGE THE SCIOTO ------ Plans for New Structure Completed by Norfolk and Western Plans have now been completed by the Norfolk and Western officials for the construction of a new bridge over the Scioto river adjacent to the present one just west of Chillicothe. Blue prints are now in the hands of the chief engineers of the road and the work will be begun as soon as right of way trouble is cleared up. The bridge will be built at an angle of about 60 degrees from the present bridge. The abutment on this side will be extended and the first part of the bridge will be built on it, but the remainder of the piers will be separate, although built close together. ------ Gordon Hamilton ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jul 1 06:19:55 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:19:55 -0400 Subject: Caboose(s) In-Reply-To: <4A4506B6.8010800@phys.vt.edu> References: <4A4506B6.8010800@phys.vt.edu> Message-ID: I'm glad to say that I had a hand in helping with the caboose in Abingdon. Even though it was by accident. I was on a temporary maintainer job while the regular maintainer was out on sick leave. The day it was moved from the storage track I was headed to Abingdon to test the switches at Litchfield and Abingdon and arrived right in the middle of the event. I took it upon myself to protect the crossing at Fuller Street since we had an eastbound train coming and there were people everywhere. It reminded me a little bit of the excursion era. Of course, the train went by and the caboose got moved without a hitch. Its really something to behold when a caboose gets lifted off the rail and onto a flatbed trailer. After everyone cleared off away from the tracks I headed on out to do my daily chores. That's something I'll always remember. Ben Blevins On 6/26/09, NW Mailing List wrote: > The volunteers in Abingdon (led by Chas Seaver) are getting the towns' N&W > caboose cleaned up and have begun painting (the undercarriage and wheels > are now a respectable black) and are to be commended. > > Also, my wife and I drove over to Finney (Sta) on the Clinch Valley Line > yesterday. (Her mother was a Finney.) Here is a pic of he caboose on > display in "downtown" Finney. > > Mike Pierry, Jr. > > [Moderator] > See images at following: > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=46 > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jul 1 08:41:42 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Caboose(s)- good story! Message-ID: <7312517.1246452103878.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> A good story Ben. The next time I'm through Abingdon i'll have to take time to look. Charlie long Lynchburg -----Original Message----- >From: NW Mailing List >Sent: Jul 1, 2009 6:19 AM >To: NW Mailing List >Subject: Re: Caboose(s) > >I'm glad to say that I had a hand in helping with the caboose in >Abingdon. Even though it was by accident. > >I was on a temporary maintainer job while the regular maintainer was >out on sick leave. The day it was moved from the storage track I was >headed to Abingdon to test the switches at Litchfield and Abingdon and >arrived right in the middle of the event. I took it upon myself to >protect the crossing at Fuller Street since we had an eastbound train >coming and there were people everywhere. It reminded me a little bit >of the excursion era. > >Of course, the train went by and the caboose got moved without a >hitch. Its really something to behold when a caboose gets lifted off >the rail and onto a flatbed trailer. After everyone cleared off away >from the tracks I headed on out to do my daily chores. > >That's something I'll always remember. > >Ben Blevins > > >On 6/26/09, NW Mailing List wrote: >> The volunteers in Abingdon (led by Chas Seaver) are getting the towns' N&W >> caboose cleaned up and have begun painting (the undercarriage and wheels >> are now a respectable black) and are to be commended. >> >> Also, my wife and I drove over to Finney (Sta) on the Clinch Valley Line >> yesterday. (Her mother was a Finney.) Here is a pic of he caboose on >> display in "downtown" Finney. >> >> Mike Pierry, Jr. >> >> [Moderator] >> See images at following: >> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=46 >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> >________________________________________ >NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >To change your subscription go to >http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jul 1 08:11:29 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:11:29 -0400 Subject: Photo shows all Message-ID: <309b12130907010511u4221e1efvad35d515e4bda743@mail.gmail.com> Ben, Here is a shot that illustrates what you describe --- and includes your presence? 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These include a 'going away' steamy shot of 2 A's passing Blue Ridge, and, a nice shot of East End Shops with an S1, a J on the TT and an Alco T-6 (I think)! may be worth finding and looking if you are not a member. Charlie Long From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jul 1 11:47:31 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:47:31 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge In-Reply-To: References: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop><1A63E013823F436987CAE1A7CD918449@071927350f> <1B8FD2315E1D49DFB1711EEBF807899C@071927350f> Message-ID: Thanks for the correction. I did the note from memory yesterday.......I at least got the first letter of the town correct...being a "C". The railroads that were and those that still operate in Ohio are a really fascinating study. I feel fortunate to have lived there prior to Conrail and Norfolk Southern. Ed Painter; From Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR. -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:55 PM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: N&W in 1909--Bridge ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: "'NW Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Bridge > Also intersected by the Sandusky Line (south of Bellevue) at Cary, OH was > the ACY east west-line from Akron/Mogador, OH to Delphos, OH. One small correction, the AC&Y crosses the Sandusky Line at Chatfield, Ohio. There is a connection in the southwest quadrant. It's the C&O that crosses the AC&Y at Carey. Keith Baker Ft Wayne, IN ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jul 1 13:04:25 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:04:25 -0400 Subject: Something the N&W would do - steam loco bells on Diesels, plus References: <18636296.1246462520834.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00bd01c9fa6d$fcdab260$2a01a8c0@judy2a11867152> But the N&W and VGN didn't use steam engine bells on their diesels!!??? Walt > Listers: > Those who are members of the NRHS can see in the Winter 2009 issue of the > NRHS BULLETIN that Northern Pacific used steam locomotive bells on some of > their GP 9s. This looks like something the N&W and VGN would have done! I > can't quite tell how they were activated. - From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jul 1 14:31:05 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:31:05 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge In-Reply-To: References: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop><1A63E013823F436987CAE1A7CD918449@071927350f><1B8FD2315E1D49DFB1711EEBF807899C@071927350f> Message-ID: <8CBC8913AA2726F-A4C-353@WEBMAIL-MY37.sysops.aol.com> You're doggone right, Ed Painter. The W&LE also entered Cleveland from Harmon. How do I know ? My first assignment on the N&W was on the Lake Region. I arrived in Cleveland on a Sunday afternoon and started looking for a place to put up. My boss, a buckeye by the way, suggested staying in a swanky neighborhood known as "the Heights". People there didn't rent rooms. Next day, someone suggested a motel that rented by the week -- and I'm making $550 a month ? At Campbell Road one day, I found W&LE had a dormitory there, and with the General Manager's permission, I was able to stay there for $15 a week. W&LE had a bridge north of Campbell Road that crossed the Cuyahoga River. The sludge in the river caught fire and burned the trestle down. Harry Bundy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jul 1 17:34:04 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:34:04 -0400 Subject: help with names Message-ID: <8B1B84DC4DE045F4A12E706121D16CDE@NEWDELL> I think I know who the NKP is-Nickel Plate. But would some one fill in the full names of the WAB, P&WV, ACY, W&LE I am now guessing so correct as necessary. P & WV-Pittsburgh and West Virginia. PRR and N&W and N&S are known. Any help appreciated. 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On Jul 1, 2009, at 1:04 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: > But the N&W and VGN didn't use steam engine bells on their > diesels!!??? > > Walt > > > > >> Listers: >> Those who are members of the NRHS can see in the Winter 2009 issue >> of the NRHS BULLETIN that Northern Pacific used steam locomotive >> bells on some of their GP 9s. This looks like something the N&W >> and VGN would have done! I can't quite tell how they were activated. > - > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jul 1 20:06:32 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:06:32 -0400 Subject: help with names In-Reply-To: <8B1B84DC4DE045F4A12E706121D16CDE@NEWDELL> References: <8B1B84DC4DE045F4A12E706121D16CDE@NEWDELL> Message-ID: <8D8C5922-976E-4D07-A946-350061D83658@rev.net> WAB = Wabash AC&Y = Akron, Canton and Youngstown W&LE = Wheeling and Lake Erie Ken Miller On Jul 1, 2009, at 5:34 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: > I think I know who the NKP is-Nickel Plate. > But would some one fill in the full names of the WAB, P&WV, ACY, W&LE > > I am now guessing so correct as necessary. > P & WV-Pittsburgh and West Virginia. > > PRR and N&W and N&S are known. > > Any help appreciated. > Pete Heimbach ? Jonesborough, TN on the East Tennessee, Georgia and > Virginia (perhaps in the wrong order) ? later Southern ? now N&S > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jul 1 21:27:46 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:27:46 -0400 Subject: help with names In-Reply-To: <8B1B84DC4DE045F4A12E706121D16CDE@NEWDELL> References: <8B1B84DC4DE045F4A12E706121D16CDE@NEWDELL> Message-ID: <5927983d25d5d30d3c90dfdfbc316ae4@ptd.net> They would be the: Wabash, Pittsburgh and West Virginia, Akron, Canton, and Youngstown, and the Wheeling and Lake Erie. Also Norfolk Southern is NS not N&S Tom Anson On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:34:04 -0400, NW Mailing List wrote: > I think I know who the NKP is-Nickel Plate. > > But would some one fill in the full names of the WAB, P&WV, ACY, W&LE > > > > I am now guessing so correct as necessary. > > P & WV-Pittsburgh and West Virginia. > > > > PRR and N&W and N&S are known. > > > > Any help appreciated. > > Pete Heimbach - Jonesborough, TN on the East Tennessee, Georgia and > Virginia > (perhaps in the wrong order) - later Southern - now N&S -- Tom Anson From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jul 1 21:56:09 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:56:09 EDT Subject: help with names Message-ID: Pete: WAB = Wabash Correct on Pittsburgh & West Virginia ACY = Akron, Canton and Youngstown W&LE = Wheeling and Lake Erie Hmmmm.....your "now N&S" remark bears commenting....Norfolk and Southern - "N&S" - was the original name of the OLD Norfolk Southern, the Norfolk to Charlotte via Elizabeth City etc line that eventually got absorbed into the Southern and whose whole name was "borrowed" for today's "big" Norfolk Southern. To the best of my knowledge, today's Norfolk Southern is NEVER referred to as "N&S." But you knew that, of course..... Best, Dave Phelps In a message dated 7/1/2009 8:02:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes: I think I know who the NKP is-Nickel Plate. But would some one fill in the full names of the WAB, P&WV, ACY, W&LE I am now guessing so correct as necessary. P & WV-Pittsburgh and West Virginia. PRR and N&W and N&S are known. Any help appreciated. Pete Heimbach ? Jonesborough, TN on the East Tennessee, Georgia and Virginia (perhaps in the wrong order) ? later Southern ? now N&S ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ **************Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops ? 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Dave Stephenson --- On Wed, 7/1/09, NW Mailing List wrote: > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: Something the N&W would do - steam loco bells on Diesels, plus > To: "NW Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 6:38 PM > Stupid me - how does a diesel > locomotive bell differ from a steam locomotive bell?? > Size? > > Brian. From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Jul 1 22:33:33 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:33:33 -0400 Subject: help with names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks-you are very correct about the N&S. This occurs because I am a lazy typist. I see far to many Norfolk and Southern engines go by my house to forget it. I am very used to the DL&W, LV, NYC, PRR. PC CRRJ etc. I am from New Jersey and only getting to know the railroads in the area of East Tennessee.. The one I really enjoy is the East Tennessee and North Carolina. Very interesting RR. Also the Clinchfield. Thanks to you all for your corrections Pete _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, 01 July, 2009 9:56 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: help with names Pete: WAB = Wabash Correct on Pittsburgh & West Virginia ACY = Akron, Canton and Youngstown W&LE = Wheeling and Lake Erie Hmmmm.....your "now N&S" remark bears commenting....Norfolk and Southern - "N&S" - was the original name of the OLD Norfolk Southern, the Norfolk to Charlotte via Elizabeth City etc line that eventually got absorbed into the Southern and whose whole name was "borrowed" for today's "big" Norfolk Southern. To the best of my knowledge, today's Norfolk Southern is NEVER referred to as "N&S." But you knew that, of course..... Best, Dave Phelps In a message dated 7/1/2009 8:02:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes: I think I know who the NKP is-Nickel Plate. But would some one fill in the full names of the WAB, P&WV, ACY, W&LE I am now guessing so correct as necessary. P & WV-Pittsburgh and West Virginia. PRR and N&W and N&S are known. Any help appreciated. Pete Heimbach - Jonesborough, TN on the East Tennessee, Georgia and Virginia (perhaps in the wrong order) - later Southern - now N&S ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ _____ Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops - Deals starting at $399 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ben Blevins On 7/1/09, NW Mailing List wrote: > Ben, > Here is a shot that illustrates what you describe --- and includes your > presence? > > Mike Pierry, Jr. > From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jul 2 00:14:32 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:14:32 -0400 Subject: help with names In-Reply-To: <8B1B84DC4DE045F4A12E706121D16CDE@NEWDELL> References: <8B1B84DC4DE045F4A12E706121D16CDE@NEWDELL> Message-ID: NKP or Nickel Plate Road - formally - New York, Chicago, and St. Louis Railroad Wab - Wabash Railroad P&WV - Pittsburgh and West Virginia Railway ACY - Akron, Canton, and Youngstown Railroad (it never reached Canton or Youngstown!) W&LE - Wheeling and Lake Erie Railroad Ed Painter from Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR (driving to Virginia this Friday!) From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 4:34 PM To: NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org Subject: help with names I think I know who the NKP is-Nickel Plate. But would some one fill in the full names of the WAB, P&WV, ACY, W&LE I am now guessing so correct as necessary. P & WV-Pittsburgh and West Virginia. PRR and N&W and N&S are known. Any help appreciated. Pete Heimbach - Jonesborough, TN on the East Tennessee, Georgia and Virginia (perhaps in the wrong order) - later Southern - now N&S -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jonesborough, TN on the East Tennessee, Georgia and > Virginia (perhaps in the wrong order) ? later Southern ? now N&S > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -- Nathan Simmons trainman51 at gmail.com http://www.t-51.org KI4MSK From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jul 2 08:22:53 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:22:53 -0400 Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren Message-ID: <4A4CA69D.5000406@phys.vt.edu> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with seven of the Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. A lot of the talk was about the tremendous TV coverage of the Jackson death versus time for McMahon, Malden, Farah and Mays. Rufus Wingfield stated that he was going to call into Larry King and ask "if we knew that the Lord was coming back to earth tomorrow, would CNN have time to cover it?" We did discuss some VGN stuff. Landon Gregory, the nearest thing to an "expert" on VGN telegraphs that we have, gave us some definitions. (Landon did retire as Chief Dispatcher, Virginia Division from NS). The telegraph was called "on the wire" versus the telephone as "INF". Landon said that when he tapped "INF" on his telegraph key, the dispatcher would know that he was weak on taking code and to call him on the "INF" or intra-office phone. Landon said that at the time of the merger, the VGN telegraph was used mostly for the morning reports by seasoned operators, and most of the train orders and other operations were handled on the "INF". N&W phased the telegraph out slowly on the VGN. Landon recalled that famous VGN operator Clyde Weatherly at JK Tower, "used the 'key on the wire' until the early 60s". He recalled the very time when the VGN operators were told that the telegraph was to be phased out. He and other operators were instructed to report to Carolina Junction to hear it from operator Wilbur Pierce. He said when he got there, Wilbur was typing a message "off the wire" on a manual typewriter, talking on the phone to the Chief Dispatcher about train orders, and talking to the other operators, all at the same time...Multi-Multi-Tasking. Ruf and Wis Sowder told us about how station agents got a commission from the Railway Express business at their assigned location. This was quite a nice income for them. Landon remembered that he filled in some on vacations and saw a need to learn the complex paperwork required to get the commission. He was "glad to hear that an agent was going on vacation and I am to 'fill in'". I passed around the August 2009 "TRAINS" magazine. The one item that caught the Brethren's eye was about the Buckingham Branch Railroad "filing for permission to take over operation of Norfolk Southern's Keysville Line from Northern Carolina & Virginia Railroad; the ex-Southern Railway line stretches 57 miles from Keysville to Clarksville, VA"....Virginian territory! Also shown was a snippet from Monday's "Roanoke Times" from the "100 years ago today" item: "A force of workmen commenced work this morning on the Virginian depot here in Salem, which will be erected just opposite the passenger station of the N&W". This was the first VGN station in Salem. The second was constructed about 500 yards west of the first, near Union Street in August of 1924 "when business was booming and Salem needed a larger freight depot", Ruf Wingfield stated. I asked the Brethren if the VGN had a central power house in Roanoke that provided steam for the Roundhouse, Yard Office, Freight House and Passenger Station. Ruf remembered that each building had its own boiler, fired with coal. He recalled that a "trucker" (VGN term for laborer) would start firing these early in the morning about 5 AM. He and Raymond remembered one particular trucker, Mr. Walker, who fired the boilers and got off about 1PM. He was the fellow that really liked peanut butter and once in the Freight Station when a restaurant case (4 one gallon jars) of peanut butter was damaged, he stated "I've never had all the peanut butter I want to eat at one time". He proceeded to open one of the gallon jars, and "scoop as much as he could get into his hand and tried to eat it. It got stuck in his throat and when he ran to the water bucket, the water just came back out. He was finally rescued and after that 'he didn't care much for peanut butter'". Time to pull the pin on this one! Departing Now from V248, Skip Salmon ============= From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jul 2 08:30:41 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Photo shows all - Radford Div question Message-ID: <23546654.1246537842319.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> While we're on the Radford Div., while down that way last week I heard the dispatcher say the local had to stop at the 'gator pond'. Might that be the Gatorade Plant in Wytheville? BTW, nice photo Mike. Charlie Long -----Original Message----- >From: NW Mailing List >Sent: Jul 2, 2009 1:11 AM >To: NW Mailing List >Subject: Re: Photo shows all > >Mike, >Thanks for sharing that photograph. I can see the assistant track >supervisor on one side of the train. I was on the other side out of >view trying to get that mob to stay out of the foul of the tracks. I >had a safety vest on as well. > >Ben Blevins > > >On 7/1/09, NW Mailing List wrote: >> Ben, >> Here is a shot that illustrates what you describe --- and includes your >> presence? >> >> Mike Pierry, Jr. >> >________________________________________ >NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >To change your subscription go to >http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jul 2 09:56:33 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:56:33 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge References: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop><1A63E013823F436987CAE1A7CD918449@071927350f><1B8FD2315E1D49DFB1711EEBF807899C@071927350f> <8CBC8913AA2726F-A4C-353@WEBMAIL-MY37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00a501c9fb1c$e85a2e10$0101a8c0@cal4a05f12c0c1> What years, Harry? Cal Reynolds. ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: Re: N&W in 1909--Bridge You're doggone right, Ed Painter. The W&LE also entered Cleveland from Harmon. How do I know ? My first assignment on the N&W was on the Lake Region. I arrived in Cleveland on a Sunday afternoon and started looking for a place to put up. My boss, a buckeye by the way, suggested staying in a swanky neighborhood known as "the Heights". People there didn't rent rooms. Next day, someone suggested a motel that rented by the week -- and I'm making $550 a month ? At Campbell Road one day, I found W&LE had a dormitory there, and with the General Manager's permission, I was able to stay there for $15 a week. W&LE had a bridge north of Campbell Road that crossed the Cuyahoga River. The sludge in the river caught fire and burned the trestle down. 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The W&LE also entered Cleveland from Harmon. How do I know ? My first assignment on the N&W was on the Lake Region. I arrived in Cleveland on a Sunday afternoon and started looking for a place to put up. My boss, a buckeye by the way, suggested staying in a swanky neighborhood known as "the Heights". People there didn't rent rooms. Next day, someone suggested a motel that rented by the week -- and I'm making $550 a month ? At Campbell Road one day, I found W&LE had a dormitory there, and with the General Manager's permission, I was able to stay there for $15 a week. W&LE had a bridge north of Campbell Road that crossed the Cuyahoga River. The sludge in the river caught fire and burned the trestle down. 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When I think of N&W's Campbell Road Yard (down in "The Flats" surrounded by steel mills) during those times in the 1970's I envision a large group dirty blue (some black NW) ex-NKP 2400 series GP-7's (and some2400 series GP-9's) and lots railcars loaded or empty for coal, coke, and steel. The surrounding mills provided a great deal of smoke, airborne particulate, and the associated smell of steel mill and blast furnace operations......... adding to what made the place so interesting. I went to Google maps and looking at 2009 Satellite images of Campbell Rd Yard and its surroundings it still appeared much the same (despite understanding that much of Cleveland's steel production capacity is now long gone.......in fact I was told when visiting the area several years ago that Cleveland imports more steel than it now produces.) Ed Painter - from Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR You're doggone right, Ed Painter. The W&LE also entered Cleveland from Harmon. How do I know ? My first assignment on the N&W was on the Lake Region. I arrived in Cleveland on a Sunday afternoon and started looking for a place to put up. My boss, a buckeye by the way, suggested staying in a swanky neighborhood known as "the Heights". People there didn't rent rooms. Next day, someone suggested a motel that rented by the week -- and I'm making $550 a month ? At Campbell Road one day, I found W&LE had a dormitory there, and with the General Manager's permission, I was able to stay there for $15 a week. W&LE had a bridge north of Campbell Road that crossed the Cuyahoga River. The sludge in the river caught fire and burned the trestle down. Harry Bundy ________________________________ Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops - Deals starting at $399 ________________________________ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jul 2 13:40:10 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:40:10 -0400 Subject: Crane, Abingdon; Sign, Bristol Message-ID: <4A4CF0FA.9010902@phys.vt.edu> Ben, Are you back in your vehicle in this shot? That crane really scampered traveling across the tracks! Latest photo shows a nice touch now attached to the Train Station in Bristol (in anticipation of Saturday's festivities). Date of the arrival/departures is "Sept. 15, 1951". 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URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jul 2 16:04:08 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:04:08 -0400 Subject: Something the N&W would do - steam loco bells on Diesels, plus In-Reply-To: <197515.17108.qm@web31814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <60548C14-DCE1-4117-817C-71A7D1F0ABF0@verizon.net> <197515.17108.qm@web31814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57CFBA401030479B86357591E3FC7D61@071927350f> Two basic differences in bells- swinging mount or fixed. Early steam locomotives had a bell, usually bronze, mounted to a frame and cradle that required the bell to be swung by the bell rope to sound. Later steam had a fixed bell with an air power ringer that swung the clapper internal to the bell. This allowed the crew to flip a switch or turn on an air valve that would sound the bell continuously until shut off. Bronze is expensive relative to steel, so bronze bells tended to not be used in WWII and later, steam or diesel. Casting steel was a later development, too. Both trends sort of come together in the 1940's leaving steel bells as the more popular type. Yeah, there were air powered bell swingers, too, that were to be retrofitted on old locomotives. Gary Rolih -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:02 PM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Something the N&W would do - steam loco bells on Diesels, plus Could be brass vs steel. I remember when PRR put the new E44 electrics in service, they were said to have steam locomotive bells. I recall they sounded completely different that any diesel at that time (early 1960s). Sort of a tolling sound instead of a more tonally dead "dink". Dave Stephenson --- On Wed, 7/1/09, NW Mailing List wrote: > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: Something the N&W would do - steam loco bells on Diesels, plus > To: "NW Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 6:38 PM > Stupid me - how does a diesel > locomotive bell differ from a steam locomotive bell?? > Size? > > Brian. ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jul 2 17:07:40 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:07:40 -0400 Subject: Virginian in 1909--Last steel Message-ID: <187F6958943E4EE2A0F0C4B2930F23C8@DellDesktop> Bluefield Daily Telegraph November 30, 1909 LAST STEEL BEING LAID ------ Winding Gulf Branch of Virginian to Be Opened by First of Year The Virginian Railway is finishing laying steel on the Winding Gulf branch and it is expected that the road will be operated by the first of the year as was originally planned. The road is also ordering a large number of new cars which will be of special design for use on the company's piers at Sewells Point where arrangements have been made by which machinery will pick up the cars and dump them as fast as they can be run onto the pier. The pier is the most modern owned by any railroad and will greatly reduce the cost of handling coal at the coast terminal. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jul 2 17:11:49 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:11:49 -0400 Subject: Up to Date Radio Frequency Numbers In-Reply-To: <7B6AC58E50DB4FA6AC00EF036BC843FF@071927350f> References: <7B6AC58E50DB4FA6AC00EF036BC843FF@071927350f> Message-ID: <4A4D2295.5070706@phys.vt.edu> The following website has a good list of Virginia scanner frequencies at bottom of page. Page maintained by NWHS members Joe Shaw & Robb Fisher. http://www.krunk.org/ns-nrv/ - Roger Link NW Mailing List wrote: > How about a little help for the coming Convention attendees? What are > the local radio frequencies used by NS around Roanoke , up the > Shenandoah Valley and the Pocahontas Division? > > > > Thanks in advance????. > > > > Gary Rolih > > Secretary N&WHS > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jul 2 20:00:46 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:00:46 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge In-Reply-To: <00a501c9fb1c$e85a2e10$0101a8c0@cal4a05f12c0c1> References: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop><1A63E013823F436987CAE1A7CD918449@071927350f><1B8FD2315E1D49DFB1711EEBF807899C@071927350f><8CBC8913AA2726F-A4C-353@WEBMAIL-MY37.sysops.aol.com> <00a501c9fb1c$e85a2e10$0101a8c0@cal4a05f12c0c1> Message-ID: <8CBC988738CF3AC-A90-1A30@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 9:56 am Subject: Re: N&W in 1909--Bridge What years, ?Harry?? Cal Reynolds. First time on the Lake Region was from Aug. to Oct., 1970. Second time was on the Pittsburgh Division (W&LE) out of Brewster from July 10 to Sept. 27, 1978? --N&W paid for a room at the Holiday Inn at Masillon during that assignment. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Jul 2 22:05:01 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 22:05:01 -0400 Subject: help with names In-Reply-To: <8B1B84DC4DE045F4A12E706121D16CDE@NEWDELL> References: <8B1B84DC4DE045F4A12E706121D16CDE@NEWDELL> Message-ID: Pete, it's East Tennessee, Virginia and Georgia Railroad >From Wikipedia: The ETV&G was created in 1869 with the consolidation of the East Tennessee and Virginia Railroad which operated from Knoxville, Tennessee to Bristol, Tennessee , and the East Tennessee and Georgia Railroad which operated from Knoxville, Tennessee to Dalton, Georgia . The ETV&G absorbed the Georgia Southern Railroad in 1881. The Atlanta Division of the railroad running from Rome to Atlanta and on toMacon was built in 1882 and the Rome and Decatur Railroad was added in 1890. In 1895 the ETV&G and the Richmond and Danville Railroad were merged to form the Southern Railway . Jerry On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:34 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: > I think I know who the NKP is-Nickel Plate. > > But would some one fill in the full names of the WAB, P&WV, ACY, W&LE > > > > I am now guessing so correct as necessary. > > P & WV-Pittsburgh and West Virginia. > > > > PRR and N&W and N&S are known. > > > > Any help appreciated. > > Pete Heimbach ? Jonesborough, TN on the East Tennessee, Georgia and > Virginia (perhaps in the wrong order) ? later Southern ? now N&S > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Jul 3 10:24:19 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:24:19 -0400 Subject: Virginian - Alta Vista station Message-ID: <540e48700907030724m36c8daen17b50e26976518a5@mail.gmail.com> VIRGINIAN question Might anyone be able to help on this one for me please? Does someone know the names and dates of service for all the station agents at the Virginian Alta Vista depot please, following it thru the N&W merger to the end of agencies? Thanks. Bob From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Jul 3 19:27:01 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:27:01 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1909--Bridge References: <8E7D927E7A4941FE9229C079B3C65687@DellDesktop><1A63E013823F436987CAE1A7CD918449@071927350f><1B8FD2315E1D49DFB1711EEBF807899C@071927350f><8CBC8913AA2726F-A4C-353@WEBMAIL-MY37.sysops.aol.com><00a501c9fb1c$e85a2e10$0101a8c0@cal4a05f12c0c1> Message-ID: FYI to anybody who wants to see the railroads of downtown Cleveland close up--take the "Goodtime III" cruise tour down the Cuyahoga River and you'll really get a good river view of all of the railroad bridges and industries in the area. Mike Weeks Charlotte NC -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org on behalf of NW Mailing List Sent: Thu 7/2/2009 1:24 PM To: 'NW Mailing List' Subject: RE: N&W in 1909--Bridge Campbell Road Yard brings back memories. During the years I lived in Ohio I went up to Cleveland often to railfan. At this time all the steel mills, ore docks, and associated facilities were still operating at full capacity. Cleveland was served by Penn Central (both former PRR and NYC), N&W (former NKP part of which was former Wheeling and Lake Erie), B&O, Erie Lackawanna (former Erie), and various steel mill industrials like the Newburgh and South Shore and Cuyahoga Valley. When I think of N&W's Campbell Road Yard (down in "The Flats" surrounded by steel mills) during those times in the 1970's I envision a large group dirty blue (some black NW) ex-NKP 2400 series GP-7's (and some2400 series GP-9's) and lots railcars loaded or empty for coal, coke, and steel. The surrounding mills provided a great deal of smoke, airborne particulate, and the associated smell of steel mill and blast furnace operations... adding to what made the place so interesting. I went to Google maps and looking at 2009 Satellite images of Campbell Rd Yard and its surroundings it still appeared much the same (despite understanding that much of Cleveland's steel production capacity is now long gone...in fact I was told when visiting the area several years ago that Cleveland imports more steel than it now produces.) Ed Painter - from Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR You're doggone right, Ed Painter. The W&LE also entered Cleveland from Harmon. How do I know ? My first assignment on the N&W was on the Lake Region. I arrived in Cleveland on a Sunday afternoon and started looking for a place to put up. My boss, a buckeye by the way, suggested staying in a swanky neighborhood known as "the Heights". People there didn't rent rooms. Next day, someone suggested a motel that rented by the week -- and I'm making $550 a month ? At Campbell Road one day, I found W&LE had a dormitory there, and with the General Manager's permission, I was able to stay there for $15 a week. W&LE had a bridge north of Campbell Road that crossed the Cuyahoga River. The sludge in the river caught fire and burned the trestle down. Harry Bundy ________________________________ Dell Laptops: Huge Savings on Popular Laptops - Deals starting at $399 ________________________________ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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According to the 1963 track chart the bridge, #2067 is 17 ft. high and 62 ft. long. The build date is 1950, which is one of the newest bridge dates I have seen on the Peavine. It is not an impressive bridge by any means. But size doesn?t always matter. It is a single span steel plate girder. There are steel plates that step down in layers to the center of the bridge. Most impressive is the abutment wings. They are massive for such a small bridge. They must have anticipated plenty of rain runoff from Halls Run. Not a large bridge, but this thing is heavy duty for sure. On my way back out of the creek bed, I climb on what must have been the original bridge sight. There were layers of cut stone with what looked like drill holes in the faces. The old abutments were to the just off the right edge, facing east, of the new abutment wings. They were also very close to Round Bottom Rd. It looks like they cut to the inside of the left hand curve to build the new bridge. Over all it was quite an experience to finally document this bridge. I can understand how this new bridge was built around the old bridge. Perhaps a shoofly until the tracks could be joined for the new bridge and then the old bridge taken out of service. I have seen on the Peavine were it looks like the new bridge was literally built of the old bridge. I?m not talking about a 17X62 ft. bridge. I mean massive tall and long trestles. My question is how do they replace a bridge that looks as though the new one is built over the old one? PS I see that Gary Rolih is giving a seminar on the Cincinnati District. I had the pleasure of seeing this show at the Cincinnati RR Club Tower A some years ago. It is a must see. It is a great learning tool if you are not that familiar with the Peavine. Sure would make for a great book. Have fun in Roanoke, VA. and be safe. Jeffrey Wood N&W VGN Hist. Soc. Southern Ohio Railway Enthusiast ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Jul 4 07:55:02 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:55:02 -0400 Subject: Luray Train Station Message-ID: <20090704115511.NALG4885.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Jul 4 07:58:29 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:58:29 -0400 Subject: Train vs Tornado Message-ID: <9A3F375FBDB7460485C83154B1BE940F@Jimmy> And I'm not speaking of the newly rebuilt British Tornado. I stumbled across this online. I must say that this one did get a WOW out of me! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFe0846RgWc Bail off those engine brakes boys!!! Jimmy Lisle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All of the men were chained in pairs and were on their way from Lee county to Roanoke county where they will be put to work on the roads. The prisoners attracted considerable attention at the station. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Jul 4 13:26:30 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:26:30 -0400 Subject: Train vs Tornado In-Reply-To: <9A3F375FBDB7460485C83154B1BE940F@Jimmy> References: <9A3F375FBDB7460485C83154B1BE940F@Jimmy> Message-ID: <45B6016C-B5A9-43DF-800B-6CD9241231D8@verizon.net> ...a minor nitpick, but an important distinction. The Peppercorn class A1 Tornado 4-6-2 was built from new, and not a rebuild. Those wishing more info about this remarkable story should see: http://www.a1steam.com/ Returning to N&W content - I don't know about anyone else, but I think that 1218's whistle at full blast is the loudest sound I've ever heard (felt). Your experience may vary. Brian Gilleran. On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:58 AM, NW Mailing List wrote: > And I'm not speaking of the newly rebuilt British Tornado. I > stumbled across this online. I must say that this one did get a WOW > out of me! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFe0846RgWc > > Bail off those engine brakes boys!!! > Jimmy Lisle > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I haven't been to a convention since the last time it was in Roanoke. Looking forward to it. Jim Brewer Glenwood MD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Jul 5 16:54:51 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:54:51 -0400 Subject: Virginian - Alta Vista station References: <540e48700907030724m36c8daen17b50e26976518a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D59EF72322B4C93B237D604D90768F3@Dunford> I don't know the answer to your question, but Altavista is one word. Dick Dunford Blacksburg VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: Virginian - Alta Vista station > VIRGINIAN question > > Might anyone be able to help on this one for me please? Does someone > know the names and dates of service for all the station agents at the > Virginian Alta Vista depot please, following it thru the N&W merger to > the end of agencies? > > Thanks. > > Bob > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Jul 5 19:31:17 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:31:17 -0400 Subject: seeking information on engineer and his engines Message-ID: I am starting a detailed geneology record of my great-grandfater, and he was an engineer for the N&W. His name was James Cecil Neff. I am seeking information on how to search for his employment records, and some history on the lines and engines that he worked on. Also is there a way to find if he was the topic of any articles in the N&W magazine or any other of the companies documentation. He lived in Rural Retreat, Va, Kenova, WV, and Portsmouth, OH. I have some pass cards and engineer cards dated between 1905-1919. He died in 1921. He served at the Kenova sub-division during those times. His picture did appear in a N&W magazine in July 1953(page 392). I have two photographs that show the engine numbers he worked on. They were 1136 and 1447. Any information about him, his engines, or how to find this information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chris Neff _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Jul 5 22:19:05 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:19:05 -0400 Subject: Crane, Abingdon; Sign, Bristol In-Reply-To: <4A4CF0FA.9010902@phys.vt.edu> References: <4A4CF0FA.9010902@phys.vt.edu> Message-ID: Yes. I was back in the truck. You can see the door open on it. If I recall correctly, I was talking to the dispatcher about getting a track authority to test the switches at the Abingdon siding. Ben Blevins On 7/2/09, NW Mailing List wrote: > Ben, > > Are you back in your vehicle in this shot? That crane really scampered > traveling across the tracks! > > Latest photo shows a nice touch now attached to the Train Station in > Bristol (in anticipation of Saturday's festivities). Date of the > arrival/departures is "Sept. 15, 1951". > > Mike Pierry, Jr. > From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Jul 5 22:22:08 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:22:08 -0400 Subject: Photo shows all - Radford Div question In-Reply-To: <23546654.1246537842319.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <23546654.1246537842319.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yep, you are correct. The Gatorade switch is nicknamed the Gator Pond, or Gator Hole. It's actually located about a half a mile east of the east end of the old Kent siding which is long gone. Ben Blevins On 7/2/09, NW Mailing List wrote: > While we're on the Radford Div., while down that way last week I heard the > dispatcher say the local had to stop at the 'gator pond'. Might that be the > Gatorade Plant in Wytheville? > BTW, nice photo Mike. > Charlie Long > > -----Original Message----- >>From: NW Mailing List >>Sent: Jul 2, 2009 1:11 AM >>To: NW Mailing List >>Subject: Re: Photo shows all >> >>Mike, >>Thanks for sharing that photograph. I can see the assistant track >>supervisor on one side of the train. I was on the other side out of >>view trying to get that mob to stay out of the foul of the tracks. I >>had a safety vest on as well. >> >>Ben Blevins >> >> >>On 7/1/09, NW Mailing List wrote: >>> Ben, >>> Here is a shot that illustrates what you describe --- and includes your >>> presence? >>> >>> Mike Pierry, Jr. >>> >>________________________________________ >>NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >>To change your subscription go to >>http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >>Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >>http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Jul 5 22:46:41 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:46:41 -0400 Subject: Who is going to the convention? In-Reply-To: <002801c9fd64$8c9fce50$0301a8c0@jim> References: <002801c9fd64$8c9fce50$0301a8c0@jim> Message-ID: Jim, looking forward to seeing you and all of our friends. Jerry Kay On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 7:34 AM, NW Mailing List wrote: > Who is going to make the pilgrimage to the Star City for the convention? > I haven't been to a convention since the last time it was in Roanoke. > Looking forward to it. > > Jim Brewer > Glenwood MD > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: