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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:13:41 -0400
Subject: Peavine Pieces #2
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Jeff,

There are plans in the N&W Standards Diagram book published by the Society 
and available through the Commissary; you could also do a search of the 
archives data base at www.nwhs.org to see what else is available.  Good luck 
with your project.  Perhaps, you'd consider writing an article for 
submission to the Arrow.

Jim Brewer
N&WHS Modeling Editor

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> While prowling through the N&W Annual Reports CD I noticed two things.
> AR #19 1915: Shelter sheds were erected at several locations around the 
> system, cities were listed, including Beaver Pond, which is the one that I 
> am interested in.
> AR #6 1902: The station at Arion was converted to a shelter shed and moved 
> to the north side of the tracks.
> My question is, are there any photos or drawings of the shelter sheds?  I 
> am modeling in N-scale the old line and new line between Rarden, Ohio and 
> the rock quarry at Plum run where the two lines split. I would like to 
> build one of theses structures at the Beaver Pond location if any info is 
> available.  Thanks  for any info sent forward.
>
> Jeffrey Wood
> N&W VGN Hist. Soc.
> Southern Ohio Railway Enthusiast
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Subject: N&W in 1909--Business
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[The recent hiatus in the posting of articles from the BDT resulted from the temporary closure the week before July the Fourth of the Mormon Family History Center, where I view the BDT microfilims, the activities associated with the NWHS national convention here in Roanoke, and the time consumed setting up my new computer and transfering applications and files.]

Bluefield Daily Telegraph
December 4, 1909

THE GRAHAM DAILY NEWS
------
Nine Big Freight Cars Loaded and Packed to the Ceiling at Local Wholesale Houses

    Business is picking up in Graham and if you are not convinced of that fact, a visit to the wholesale district about 4 o'clock in the afternoon when all the truckers from the wholesale houses and those from the Norfolk and Western station get their trucks in action loading freight into the string of freight cars standing on the sidetrack opposite the wholesale concerns, will dispel all doubt about business not being good in Graham.  Nine big freight cars were loaded and packed to the ceiling with freight from the grocery houses yesterday and this is an everyday occurrence during the past month or so.  A special crew and engine are sent out from Bluefield daily to handle the Graham cars on the local yeards and there is always work for them when they arrive.

    J. H. Saunders, local agent for the railroad here, has an excellent force and all of them know their respective duties in connection with billing out and shipping the enormous amount of freight that leaves Graham daily, and it is seldom that a consignment of any kind gets into the wrong car.
    The different wholesale houses likewise maintain a trained force of employes and the two forces work in perfect harmony, each man attending to his specifice line of work.  It is interesting to know that these tons of freight which go out of Graham daily are billed by one man.  That man is P. C. Winborne, who holds the position of assistant agent for the Norfolk and Western under J. B. Saunders.  Mr. Winbourne is perhaps the swiftest penman in the entire section and his ability as an ink slinger enables him to just about perform the work ordinally done by two good clerks in a similar capacity to the one he occupies.
    The Graham wholesale concerns are represented on the road by ten traveling salemen and judging from the amount of goods shipped from here all of them are hustlers.
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Subject: Vietnam Transportation/rail oriented presentation at OWLM
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David Helmer will be giving a Vietnam transportation/rail oriented 
presentation on his recent return trip there with slides at the O Winston 
Link museum on Thursday July 17 at 7:30PM to the Roanoke NRHS membership. 
NWHS members are welcome to attend, and its *FREE*.

Here's a Roanoke Times article on a previous presentation that Mr Helmer 
gave to the Kiwanis Club.

http://www.roanoke.com/extra/wb/210171

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Jerome, They can't be to big of a majority or they wouldn't have lost!

Charlie

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Hope all of you enjoyed Roanoke as much as I did. Thanks to all of those who continue staging our 'annual' at such a high level. I skipped the tours; have done them on previous visits. Instead focused on my own interests; track arrangements, bridges, some structures. Went to Wabun/Singer for another close look at the ex-VGN skewed truss bridge. Didn't get close; much more overgrowth now than 5 years ago made it risky..

Enjoyed meeting Tom Dixon; liked his comment that modelers are by nature the core of historic preservation. Brings a couple of NWHS members to mind.

Struggled with northbound I-81 traffic on the way home. Must have been liberals on their way to D.C.: limping along in the left lane; holding everything else up; ignoring the majority.

Jerome Crosson

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Subject: Peavine Pieces #2 Shelter sheds
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Jeffrey:
Sounds like an interesting project. You may want to check the Virginia Tech website information. I remember seeing pictures of sheds but I do not know if they were the standard or not.

http://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php?folio_ID=/trans/nss/indi/dep/state

Check these:

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns363.jpeg
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns443.jpeg

I remember an even smaller one at Belspring, VA after the full station was demolished.
Charlie Long
Lynchburg,VA


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>
>While prowling through the N&W Annual Reports CD I noticed two things.  
>AR #19 1915: Shelter sheds were erected at several locations around the system, cities were listed, including Beaver Pond, which is the one that I am interested in.
>AR #6 1902: The station at Arion was converted to a shelter shed and moved to the north side of the tracks.
>My question is, are there any photos or drawings of the shelter sheds?  I am modeling in N-scale the old line and new line between Rarden, Ohio and the rock quarry at Plum run where the two lines split. I would like to build one of theses structures at the Beaver Pond location if any info is available.  Thanks  for any info sent forward.
>
>Jeffrey Wood
>N&W VGN Hist. Soc.
>Southern Ohio Railway Enthusiast
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Subject: Peavine Pieces #2
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Jeff- In the period around 1918, the Interstate Commerce Commission
took an inventory of (among other things) all structures on the railroad.
In many instances, a picture accompanies a sheet listing dimensions
and composition of the structure.? You don't need it, but they also
took an inventory of typewriters, office supplies, desks, etc. These
inventories are at the archives in bound volumes.
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Subject: Peavine Pieces #2
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I can't find the Interstate Commerce Commission bound books that Harry
is referring to  in the Archives database, and I was unable to find them
when I visited the Archives during the Convention. Does anyone know
where they are located in the Archives ?
 
 
Paul Mandelkern
Winter Park, Florida

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		Jeff- In the period around 1918, the Interstate Commerce
Commission
		took an inventory of (among other things) all structures
on the railroad.
		In many instances, a picture accompanies a sheet listing
dimensions
		and composition of the structure.  You don't need it,
but they also
		took an inventory of typewriters, office supplies,
desks, etc. These
		inventories are at the archives in bound volumes.
		                                                  Harry
Bundy


	
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Subject: N&W in 1909--Various
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
December 4, 1909

IN CITY AND COALFIELD
------
Addressed Transportation Club
    President L. E. Johnson, of the Norfolk and Western, passed through the city yesterday afternoon on his special train on his way home from Toledo, Ohio, where he delivered an address before the Toledo Transportation Club Thursday night.
------
Big Wrecking Crane Ordered
    The Norfolk and Western has ordered a 125-ton wrecking crane which will be used in connection with work of that kind which will be done from this city in the future.
------
Wreck Delays Train
    Train No. 4 was several hours late yesterday on account of a wreck on the Scioto Division.
------
[This is an interesting juxtaposition of the last two items.]

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I can't find the Interstate Commerce Commission bound books?that Harry is referring to ?in the Archives database, and I was unable to find them when I visited the Archives during the Convention. Does anyone know where they are located in the Archives ?

?

?

Winter Park, Florida





?????????Suspect this information has never been entered in the?data base.? The volumes are?located?in the? middle room, west side adjacent to VGN Rwy. AFE's.? I indicated ICC made an inventiory,?
but?on? 2nd thought it was most likely USRA
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Subject: Peavine Pieces #2
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Paul, I do not believe that the Interstate Commerce Commission books are in the database yet.? There is so much material, they are waiting their turn but I know they are there.? I had my nose in several of them Sunday looking at structures and tracks of the Pocahontas Division.

The books are grey, dirty looking things which are bound?held together with two screws.? All of the entries are hand written forms, probably completed in the field.? These are not?the edited edition with gold lettering.? They are located on the left, top shelf on the next to the left most isle in the middle room of the archives.? I would believe that most of the regular volunteers would know where they are located.

Each structure is given a hand written?entry with the physical demensions.? If I remember correctly the exact distance along the division's?track?is also given.??

I do not know if you already have this information, but on page 21 of the Norfolk and Western Railway Standards Drawings, compiled by Jim Brewer and Tom Dressler and published by the Norfolk and Western Historical Sociey, Inc in 1992, there is a 1926 revised drawing of a "Standard Shelter Shed".

It is a nice looking little structure. 

Good luck with your project.

Chuck Stewart
Bahama, NC
(Durham District)



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I can't find the Interstate Commerce Commission bound books?that Harry is referring to ?in the Archives database, and I was unable to find them when I visited the Archives during the Convention. Does anyone know where they are located in the Archives ?

?

?

Paul Mandelkern

Winter Park, Florida




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Jeff- In the period around 1918, the Interstate Commerce Commission
took an inventory of (among other things) all structures on the railroad.
In many instances, a picture accompanies a sheet listing dimensions
and composition of the structure.? You don't need it, but they also
took an inventory of typewriters, office supplies, desks, etc. These
inventories are at the archives in bound volumes.
????????????????????????????????????????????????? Harry Bundy


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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Tue Jul 14 23:04:18 2009
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Harry,

You should know that first impressions are the best.  You should have stayed with the ICC.

Congress in 1913 passed the Valuation Act requiring the ICC to determine the valuation of each railroad.  Of course, the railroads had to do the coolie work of counting each rail joint, hammer, cuspidor, etc.  As the work dragged on for years, far longer than the Government anticipated, the ICC struggled to make sense of the mountain of statistical data, and the valuation work cost the railroads probably something like a half a billion dollars in today's money.

Gordon Hamilton
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  I can't find the Interstate Commerce Commission bound books that Harry is referring to  in the Archives database, and I was unable to find them when I visited the Archives during the Convention. Does anyone know where they are located in the Archives ?


  Winter Park, Florida

             Suspect this information has never been entered in the data base.  The volumes are located in the  middle room, west side adjacent to VGN Rwy. AFE's.  I indicated ICC made an inventiory, 
    but on  2nd thought it was most likely USRA
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:09:33 -0400
Subject: Winston Salem District Signals
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The Winston Salem District has raised some questions for me about its
block signal system.

I have seen several old sidings with foundations that appeared to be
signaled at one time, such as at Bassett.  There are Style S case
foundations and bracket signal foundations at what appears to have
been the former north end of the siding.

I have also observed more places like this at Henry, Martinsville, and
the Fontaine Spur hold track.  I'm sure there are even more.

I am under the impression that these are the remains of an automatic
semaphore signal system with hand throw switches.  Does anyone know
for sure?

Then again, this raises questions about the Color Position Signals
too.  There are a great deal of "holdout" signals (control points with
no switches).  Yet, the sidings I mentioned, along with alot of other
former head end or home signals were not made control points with CTC,
such as at Henry.  The north end is a holdout signal, and the south
end has automatic signals.  Of course, it is hand throw switches for
the passing track.  Henry now appears to be no longer used, and will
be loosing all its signals in the pole line elimination.

Finally, the equipment on the district is very OLD!  The signals are
the PL-1 type in most places.  There are a few PL-2's, and no PL-3's
that I've seen.

All this appears to be a hodge podge of equipment and it does not
follow the  practices I have observed on the other districts of the
N&W.

Can someone make sense of all this for me???

Ben Blevins

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Paul asked me about the ICC information at the convention and I was slow getting back.  After searching the data base when I got home Sunday, I had to conclude that the ICC volumes have not been entered. It also didn't register that they were along the west side of the middle room.  

I believe there is also some ICC-related material in the second aisle from the east wall of the warehouse section.  This would also not be entered yet.

Dave Stephenson





      

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Ben:
You're correct, until TC came, the Winston District was?ABS territory with hand throw switches.?
I'm not at home right now, so don't have access to timetables and track charts.? You gotta remember
the Winston District wasn't TC'ed until 1970 (+ or -).? Why ?? Because the complexion of traffic on
the Punk'in Vine underwent a drastic change.? Instead of a three car passenger train and merchandise
trains hauling Camel cigarettes, N&W began hauling?multi-levels to Walkertown and 100 car unit
trains to Duck Power at Belews Creek.? The multitude of 50 and 60 car sidings at Boone's Mill,
Ferrum, Henry and others just didn't chamber the trains that were running.? Initially, there were only
two passing sidings between Roanoke and North Winston.? A third, Philpott, was later added.? A
fourth near MP 12 was proposed, but never built, so it's possible for a northbound to be passing
Rocky Mount that the dispatcher will hold at Wirtz while the train?it's to meet is still getting an air
test at Shaffers Crossing.? The one-way running time Roanoke to Wirtz is about 90 minutes.?

As far as PL-1, PL-2, and PL-3 equipment, the Signal Dept.?respaced signals on the Norfolk Division
and the surplus went to the Winston District.

You mentioned Henry -- did you notice three horseshoe curves south of town ?
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:45:52 -0400
Subject: Winston Salem District Signals
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Anybody need a Shenandoah Div. TT #5 May 20, 1973? That is the last one to list an actual timetable for freights on the Punkin'Vine.
BTW, I still work with a few people that got left while closing the hand throw switch after a meet. Next Train came and picked them up.
Jimmy Lisle
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:47:32 -0400
Subject: Lost Engines on the news
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http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=10730352


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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:42:14 -0400
Subject: Winston Salem District Signals
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Harry,
Yes I did notice those curves!  This is the curviest line I've seen
since I was on the Pokey!  But, I expected that in West Virginia.  But
this hill country has lots of twists and turns.  I even had the whole
entire gang tell me that I had my North and South backwards at Bassett
only to have the foreman of another gang verify my directions were
correct.  The "S" curves around Nylon and Martinsville were also an
easy place to get directions turned around.

Thanks goodness for track charts!

Ben Blevins


On 7/15/09, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ben:
> You're correct, until TC came, the Winston District was?ABS territory with
> hand throw switches.?
> I'm not at home right now, so don't have access to timetables and track
> charts.? You gotta remember
> the Winston District wasn't TC'ed until 1970 (+ or -).? Why ?? Because the
> complexion of traffic on
> the Punk'in Vine underwent a drastic change.? Instead of a three car
> passenger train and merchandise
> trains hauling Camel cigarettes, N&W began hauling?multi-levels to
> Walkertown and 100 car unit
> trains to Duck Power at Belews Creek.? The multitude of 50 and 60 car
> sidings at Boone's Mill,
> Ferrum, Henry and others just didn't chamber the trains that were running.?
> Initially, there were only
> two passing sidings between Roanoke and North Winston.? A third, Philpott,
> was later added.? A
> fourth near MP 12 was proposed, but never built, so it's possible for a
> northbound to be passing
> Rocky Mount that the dispatcher will hold at Wirtz while the train?it's to
> meet is still getting an air
> test at Shaffers Crossing.? The one-way running time Roanoke to Wirtz is
> about 90 minutes.?
>
> As far as PL-1, PL-2, and PL-3 equipment, the Signal Dept.?respaced signals
> on the Norfolk Division
> and the surplus went to the Winston District.
>
> You mentioned Henry -- did you notice three horseshoe curves south of town ?
> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
> Harry Bundy??????
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:45:01 -0400
Subject: seeking information on engines
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I had sent a thread out about finding information on my great-grandfather.  Thanks to those that replied.  

 

If I can not find out any information about his employment, is it possible to find out any information about the known engines that he worked on?

 

I have two pictures that show the engine number.  They are #1136 and #1447.  He worked for the Kenova, WV sub-division of the Scioto Division from at least 1905-1921.  My best guess is that these engines served out of Portsmouth or Kenova.  I believe my father had mentioned that he may have worked on the "Tad Pole Line" in Wayne Co., WV.  I wondered if he would have worked the "Big Sandy Line"?

 

What I would like to know is what class of engine are these?

What years were they built?

What routes did they run? or What rail yards were they based out of?

When were they taken out of service?


Thanks,
Chris Neff



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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Jul 16 03:33:26 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:33:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Valuation Act of 1913
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:04:18 -0400
From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: Re: Peavine Pieces #2


Gordon stated:

"Congress in 1913 passed the Valuation Act requiring the ICC to determine the valuation of each railroad.? Of course, the railroads had to do the coolie work of counting each rail joint, hammer, cuspidor, etc.? As the work dragged on for years, far longer than the Government anticipated, the ICC struggled to make sense of the mountain of statistical data, and the valuation work cost the railroads probably something like a half a billion dollars in today's money."


July 15, 2009

Hello, all:

Following up on Gordon's cost estimate in today's dollars, in my view it was like Lionel's slogan printed on 1950s train set boxes: "A lifetime investment in happiness."? There was a very good reason to dedicate the time and expense of compiling valuation data that was mandated by the Valuation Act of 1913, aside from complying with federal law.

Under economic regulation, railroad companies were given an opportunity to earn an return on assets.? This was not a guarantee, but was a consideration in setting rates.? Overall, freight and passenger rates should be set at levels that earn an adequate return on investment.

It was therefore in the carrier's own best self interest to be sure that every item was counted and claimed at its book value for creating as large an asset base as it reasonablly could.? The bigger the asset pool, the more money the railroad had an opportunity to earn.

There was a second feature that worked in favor of railroads.? Most depreciation of assets were straight-line, and for extraordinarily long periods of time.? For example, a station had an expected life (I think) of 75 years.? Consequently, the asset base shrank very slowley.? In my view, this worked to the advantage of railroads as it tried to prove passenger services and branch-line operations were unprofitable.? Because the asset base was likely more than it would have been for a normal company under generally accepted accounting rules, railroads continued to show very anemic returns on investment.

Good morning,

Frank Scheer
f_scheer at yahoo.com







From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Jul 16 03:58:20 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:58:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Shenandoah Division Dispatcher, Telegrapher, and Leverman lists
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Good morning, all:

Through the courtesy of a former station agent-operator, I have scanned most Shenandoah Division telegrapher seniority rosters from 1952 to 1969.? After 1957, lists show the stations at which operators were assigned.

http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1952.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1955.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1956.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1957.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1958.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1959.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1960.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1961.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1962.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1963.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1965.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1966.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1967.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1968.pdf
http://www.railwaymailservicelibrary.org/ebay/shen1969.pdf


I hope you find these useful.? I'd welcome information about any of the names shown, but particularly Messrs. S. M. Lane and L. C. Murray.

Best wishes,

Frank Scheer
f_scheer at yahoo.com


From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Jul 16 07:07:35 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:07:35 -0400
Subject: Lost Engines on the news
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More info on the "Lost Engines" in todays Roanoke Times. Includes photos of 
NWHS members Gordon Hamilton & Louis Newton.

http://roanoke.com/news/wb/211975

NW Mailing List wrote:
> http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=10730352
> 

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Jul 16 08:51:23 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:51:23 -0400
Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren
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Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with nine of the Brethren 
and Friends of the Virginian Railway. We signed a Happy Birthday Card for 
Harry Bundy, who worked with some of the Brethren at Tidewater Junction and 
Coleman Place as an operator for the Old Norfolk Southern. Harry later 
worked with us as a System's Engineer for the N&W and New Norfolk Southern. 
Harry turned 71 on Tuesday. His dry sense of humor and recall of detailed 
past events keep us informed and entertained, when he is able to make it 
through the "Orange Avenue 500" safely on Wednesday nights from Bonsack, VA.

Landon Gregory and I passed on to the Brethren our experiences last week 
end during the N&W (and VGN) Historical Society's Roanoke Convention. The 
Virginian Railway was remembered in many ways at the Convention, from the 
excellent VGN MW cars modeled by Bill McClure to Frank Bongiovanni's 
Clinics "Introduction to Virginian Modeling" and "High Capacity Coal Gons". 
John Munson gave us a detailed Clinic about the buildings in the Mullens 
Motor Barn Complex. Dal Cook, our T-Shirt Man, sold many colorful VGN 
T-Shirts and the Commissary sales included lots of VGN related books. On 
Saturday, over 100 of the Conventioneers rode the two Roanoke Chapter NRHS 
trains in service at their old Silk Mill Industrial Park Complex in 
southeast Roanoke. The first train was pulled by the Chapter's Alco T-6 #41 
and consisted of a VGN Rwy G5 Gon and N&W Caboose 518409. The second train 
was the Chapter's EMD GP30 #522 pulling Tool Car 1407 and VGNX 6077 
Railroad Lounge Observation Car. The windowless 6077 held a row of tables 
and chairs and Conventioneers were able to eat their lunch while riding. 
Also highlighted at the Chapter Siding was the VGN signal that will be 
placed at the Station in Roanoke soon, as well as VGN dwarf signals. Landon 
served as Chief Dispatcher for the trips.

I passed out to the Brethren and posted one at the Restaurant, a flyer 
about "Save the Date! November 7-8, 2009". This is information about the 
Roanoke Chapter NRHS fall trips from Roanoke to Bluefield and return on 
Saturday and Shenandoah and return on Sunday. Save these dates and plan to 
ride with us...more details as they become available.

Bill Daniel brought a family album of photos to "Show and Tell". It 
featured his Dad, George, Jr. who was a VGN carpeck and his Grandfather 
George, Sr. who was VGN Superintendent, New River Division. One photo shows 
a VGN Passenger train (probably #4)on the bridge at Covel with the 
Observation Car "Dixie" on the rear. Another shows Bill's Great Uncle, 
Baxter Daniel, brakeman, pulling a rope and speaking into an unusual device 
that was used as part of an early communications system somewhere on the 
line. Ruf Wingfield told Bill about Fred Preston, who was his father's 
helper carman. Bill's Dad would open the journal boxes of VGN Freight Cars 
and make the inspection and adjust the pads, and if oil was needed, he 
would leave the box lid open for Fred to apply oil and close. Ruf said that 
Fred did not want to be promoted to VGN Carman because being a helper 
allowed him to work daylight hours and have weekends off. This turned out 
to be a very productive story. Ruf remembered that he has in his basement, 
a VGN packing fork used by carmen to maintain the journal boxes on VGN 
Frieght Cars and will donate it to the VGN Station Project!

I showed Landon Gregory a list of VGN Rwy Norfolk Division telegraph 
abbreviations sent to me by Abe Burnett. More on this later.

When Ruf saw Bill's old photo of the Roanoke Yard Office, it caused him to 
recall a small wire hook hanging from the ceiling in the locker room that 
he could not identify. He observed it for a long time and finally when he 
was transferred to second trick, the answer came. VGN Brakeman O. J. "Rap" 
Meadow was using the hook to keep his bag lunch from being invaded by large 
VGN rats.

Our designated joke provider brought the following paragraph that is 
probably typical of a lot of the VGN Brethren: "I've sure gotten old! I've 
had two bypass surgeries, a hip replacement, new knees, fought prostate 
cancer and diabetes. I'm half blind, can't hear anything quieter than a jet 
engine, take 40 different medications that make me dizzy, winded, and 
subject to black outs. Have bouts with dementia. Have poor circulation; 
hardly feel my hands and feet anymore. Can't remember if I'm 85 or 92. Have 
lost all my friends. But, thank God, I still have my driver's license."

Time to pull the pin on this one!

Departing Now from V248,

Skip Salmon




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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Jul 16 09:52:21 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:52:21 -0400
Subject: Winston Salem District Signals
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Ben:
Prior to TC installation, the W-S district had 19 passing sidings from Roanoke
Terminal to North Winston which averaged 3574 feet in length.? There were
15 day telegraph offices plus Payne (24/7), so during the day, there was an
operator every 7.4 miles.? After TC, nine sidings were removed or shortened,
but seven passing sidings remained - Boone's Mill, Starkey, Henry, and
others.? They became designated "storage tracks" in the timetable.? What's
the significance of a storage track ?? I don't know.? Apparently N&W felt
it wasn't necessary to provide power switches and signaling for these short
sidings.? By 1972, the telegraph offices had been reduced from 15 to 9 and
that's how N&W got the economic justification to install traffic control.

As far as the signal at the north end of Henry being a controlled signal --
remember -- a train can pass a stop-and-proceed (or restricting) signal and
proceed at restricted speed.? North of the signal at Henry, there are?three
back-to-back 10 degree curves and then the ruling grade (1.53%) to Ferrum.
If you have a set of?pusher units returning light from Belews Creek with a one
man crew and it's following a train grinding up the hill, it's not exactly the
safest practice.? Remember the definition of restricted speed ?? "Able to?
stop?short of? etc., etc. etc."? It's probably as quick to hold?a train at the
bottom of Ferrum Hill than it is to allow it to follow at restricted speed. Safer too.

Henry had been home to Blue Ridge Paints.? It was one of eight companies that
supplied paint to N&W for hoppers.? After TC, apparently the signals at the
south end remained, but weren't able to display a "STOP" indication.? A
local doing "one-in, one-out" switching at Blue Ridge Paints would have had
to follow the procedure for passing a "STOP" indication.? That's one person's
interpretation.? I wish Henry Nase was still around.
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Harry Bundy
????
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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:08:40 -0400
Subject: ICC Valuation
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As historians we should happy than the railroads spruced up (especial older 
wooden cars with large markings stating steel center sills or underframes) 
and photographed their rolling stock to "pump up" the visual value of their 
cars.



Al Kresse

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Jul 16 16:23:07 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:23:07 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1909--Diverse items
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
December 4, 1909

CAUGHT FISH WHILE TRAIN WAS DELAYED
------
Capt. O'Connor Brings Fine String of Bass and Red Horse From the Clinch Valley

    Captain O'Connor, one of the well known conductors on the Clinch Valley, brought a very fine string of fish to Bluefield last night and presented them to Jake Rosenheim at the Windsor Hotel.  Among them was a two-pound bass and a number of "red horse," a well known species of fish in that sections.
    The captain tendered the information with much gusto and pride that he caught them while his train was delayed.  As his train arrived in this city on time his Bluefield friends are inclined to think that his fishing paraphernalia and bait was limited to the silver bait which he carried in his pocket book and which served as a happy medium between him and the Clinch river fishermen in offering a transfer of the finny tribe.
------

NEW ROAD PROJECTED
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Two Routes From Bradshaw into Buchanan County Under Consideration

    The Clinch Valley field has continued to show an increase over the early months in the year and bids to close the year very well.  Next year should bring prosperity to that section.  A report has been circulated in railroad circles that the Norfolk and Western is considering the advisability of building a line from Bradshaw into Buchanan county so as to tap the great undeveloped territory in that county. Two routes are under consideration, one through the Knox Creek section and the other through the route which should give a good grade from Bradshaw.  The Bradshaw route would hardly connect up with Knox Creek as a ridge between the two points would prevent such connection except at great cost.
------

[Bradshaw is on the N&W's present-day Dry Fork branch, and the line from there into Buchanan County was never built.  It would be some 22 years before the N&W would operate on the Buchanan Branch along Knox Creek in Buchanan County. This followed the taking over--and upgrading--of the narrow gauge Big Sandy and Cumberland (See Blackstock and Wilson's articles in the 2006 and 2007 issues of The Arrow.)].

Gordon Hamilton
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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:55:23 -0500
Subject: Convention follow-up
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Regarding two issues from the Convention, previously asked about here:

They may have been the only ones, but Pocahontas crews did refer to M's as
"Mollies."  And referring to locations where Elkhorn crews would set out
empties, Elk Ridge is in the North Fork neighborhood of the same name,
between "downtown" and Algoma.  Called Elk Ridge Storage Track, it was the
second over of two storage tracks alongside the North Fork Branch just off
the WB Main junction, the other called North Fork Storage.  According to a
track map of the time, it is on the alignment of the oven track that served
the Elk Ridge Coal & Coke Co. coking operation in the adjacent hillside.  I
don't recall the tipple location being indicated, but Alex Schust's
excellent presentation at the Convention included a photo of the tipple,
placing it across the wye that was there at the time, on the opposite side
of North Fork Hollow.  Railroad records seem to indicate that Elk Ridge
Coal may have been in decline and the tipple may have been (re)moved by the
1920's when the map was drafted (?).  Alex?

Grant Carpenter 





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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:15:50 -0400
Subject: VGN Post card
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I am seeking a good copy of the attached image from a picture post card to use in an article for the NWHS The Arrow.  The inscription is, "Scene on Page Mountain Showing Virginian Railroad Between Montgomery and Oak Hill, W. Va."

If anyone has the original post card or a good quality copy of the picture please contact me at:

gordonshamilton at cox.net

Thanks,

Gordon Hamilton
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:18:54 -0400
Subject: Revenue idea
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After attending the Convention in Roanoke and seeing slide presentations like the Don Ball collection, I had a thought. I would certainly like to be able to see those pictures again and not just at the Conventions. How about putting them on a CD and making them available for sale? It would be another source of revenue for the Society (which we need) and you could view them anytime you wanted. I know I'd get my wallet out!

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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:06:03 -0400
Subject: VGN Post card
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Gordon:
 
Kurt Reisweber gave an excellent program to the Winston-Salem NRHS this
past Monday night.  Part of the program was an extensive collection of
N&W, VGN, S and old NS post cards.  I don't recall the one you ask about
but he might be a source with whom you could check.
 
Have a good day and weekend.
 
George
 
  George Weber 
Winston-Salem Chapter NRHS 
Secretary & Editor, The Rail 
  Phn: 336-812-2963 (cell) 336-870-4506 
   Email: geoweber at triad.rr.com 


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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:16 PM
To: 4VGN Ry Yahoo Group; 3N&W Mailing List
Subject: VGN Post card


I am seeking a good copy of the attached image from a picture post card
to use in an article for the NWHS The Arrow.  The inscription is, "Scene
on Page Mountain Showing Virginian Railroad Between Montgomery and Oak
Hill, W. Va."
 
If anyone has the original post card or a good quality copy of the
picture please contact me at:
 
gordonshamilton at cox.net
 
Thanks,
 
Gordon Hamilton
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:34:13 -0400
Subject: Convention follow-up
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Elk Ridge Mine was shut down in 1925.  Two attached photos show map with 
location of Elk Ridge Mine and coke ovens amd a view of Elk Ridge coke ovens 
in 1896 with mine tipple in background. Elk Ridge photo from Eastern 
Regional Coal Archives in Bluefield and was taken for 1896 Industrial 
Edition of Bluefield Daily Telegraph.

Alex Schust
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> Regarding two issues from the Convention, previously asked about here:
>
> They may have been the only ones, but Pocahontas crews did refer to M's as
> "Mollies."  And referring to locations where Elkhorn crews would set out
> empties, Elk Ridge is in the North Fork neighborhood of the same name,
> between "downtown" and Algoma.  Called Elk Ridge Storage Track, it was the
> second over of two storage tracks alongside the North Fork Branch just off
> the WB Main junction, the other called North Fork Storage.  According to a
> track map of the time, it is on the alignment of the oven track that 
> served
> the Elk Ridge Coal & Coke Co. coking operation in the adjacent hillside. 
> I
> don't recall the tipple location being indicated, but Alex Schust's
> excellent presentation at the Convention included a photo of the tipple,
> placing it across the wye that was there at the time, on the opposite side
> of North Fork Hollow.  Railroad records seem to indicate that Elk Ridge
> Coal may have been in decline and the tipple may have been (re)moved by 
> the
> 1920's when the map was drafted (?).  Alex?
>
> Grant Carpenter
>
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Fri Jul 17 09:21:02 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:21:02 -0400
Subject: VGN Post card
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Thanks.  I'll certainly check with him.

Gordon Hamilton
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  Subject: RE: VGN Post card


  Gordon:

  Kurt Reisweber gave an excellent program to the Winston-Salem NRHS this past Monday night.  Part of the program was an extensive collection of N&W, VGN, S and old NS post cards.  I don't recall the one you ask about but he might be a source with whom you could check.

  Have a good day and weekend.

  George

    George Weber 
  Winston-Salem Chapter NRHS 
  Secretary & Editor, The Rail 
    Phn: 336-812-2963 (cell) 336-870-4506 
     Email: geoweber at triad.rr.com 




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  I am seeking a good copy of the attached image from a picture post card to use in an article for the NWHS The Arrow.  The inscription is, "Scene on Page Mountain Showing Virginian Railroad Between Montgomery and Oak Hill, W. Va."

  If anyone has the original post card or a good quality copy of the picture please contact me at:

  gordonshamilton at cox.net

  Thanks,

  Gordon Hamilton


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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:07:36 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1909--Passengers
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
December 5, 1909

RUSHED INTO TRAIN FLEEING FROM ARREST
------
Not Known, However, That Officers Were After Man Who Created Excitement on No. 17

    Train No 17 furnished quite a little excitement when it arrived in this city last night.  As a general rule the train steals in and unloads its passengers with less fuss than any other train which arrives or departs in Bluefield. Not so last night.
    When No 17 pulled into Ingleside a man who gave his name as Amazon* Lacey ran into the train, shouting that they were after him.  He slid into a seat and hid himself behind the cushions.  Not satisfied with that protection he pulled down the curtains, saying that they were going to shoot him.  The conductor on the train telegraphed Bluefield for instructions and the police met the train and took the man off.  At first it was thought that he had been drinking, but investigations showed that he was sober.  He claims that he got into some trouble with a magistrate at McDowell, W. Va., and that a felony warrant was issued for him there.  In his lucid moments at the jail last night he said that the police were after him.  Whether or not the man is guilty of any felony is not known here.  It is thought that he simply was acting under the impression that someone was after him.
    The case will be investigated by the local police and if the man is in need of medical attention it will be secured.
    One of the passengers who was on the train says that he heard a man crying murder just as the train pulled in, but thought that it came from a little back of Ingleside.  It is not thought that this man's case was so bad as the man who was taken care of by the police, but it is likely that both have good imaginations.
------
*Microfilm blurred.  Best interpretation shown.

[According to a 1915 Official Guide No. 17 was a local that originated in Lynchburg at 1:15 p.m., arrived in Bluefield at 7:35 p.m. and terminated at Welch at 9:50 p.m.]

Gordon Hamilton
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:43:03 -0400
Subject: Virginian  in 1909--Winding Gulf
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
December 7, 1909

TRACK LAYING ON GULF NEARS COMPLETION
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Many Coal Companies Ready to Begin Shipping Over Virginian
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C. & O. FINISHING ITS LINE TO PEMBERTON
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Rate at Which Work is Being Pushed Indicates That New Branch Will be Ready for Traffic by First of February
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OPENING NEW  MINES IN THE THACKER FIELD
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        The Virginian Railway has nearly completed the laying of steel on its Winding Gulf branch and already about 125 men are employed ballasting up the track so that the road can be used in a short time.  The following companies are getting ready to commence operations as soon as the railroad can haul the coal:
    Gulf-Smokeless Company, owned and operated by Tams and White Brothers and Sam Dixon.  This company is now shipping three cars per day.
    M. White Coal Company, owned and operated by the Glen-White Company.
    Bailey Wood Coal Company.
    M??tjp?m Coal Company
    Gulf Coal Company, owned and operated by the S. J. Patterson interests.
    Winding Gulf Colliery Company owned and operated by the Justin and Jalrus Collins interests.
    Pemberton Coal Company, operated by the Phillips interests of Ashland.
    The Sullivan Coal Company operated by the Dr. Wood interests.
    The people who are to open up the Stone Creek coal are waiting for the railroad to get there, and as soon as this is ready work on these operations will be commenced.  E. M. Keatley of Charleston and W. B. Honaker, of Montcalm are among those who will? get in on the Stone Creek.
    The Chesapeake and Ohio is finishing its line from Pemberton to Tommy's Creek, and judging from the rate at which the work is being pushed the road will be in condition to accept shipments by the first of February.  The Virginian has got into such shape that it is more than likely that the company will be able to run passenger trains up the Winding Gulf by the first of January and it is possible trains will be run before that time.
    The Mullens Banking Company with a capital of $50,000 will open for business on the first of January.  The company has a new bank building which has been erected at a cost of $10,000.  For a small town the banking house is a fine one and will be a credit to the town.
    In the Thacker field the Red Jacket Coal Corporation is making preparations to open a new mine above Red Jacket.  The plant will be known as Red Jacket, jr., and will be located about two miles above the present operations.  At the present times the company is building a railroad up to their plant.  Ties are being put down and at the present time twenty-five or thirty houses are finished so that the concern may have homes for its employes when work is commenced.
    The Glen Alum Coal Company is erecting a coal tipple at its Glen Alum plant.  The tipple will be one of the best in he field and will be capable of loading a large number of cars daily.
    The Thacker Fuel Company is making a new opening at a mine to be known at the New Thacker Mine.  The concern is about three-quarters of a mile above the present operation.  The coal to be reached is the same as that mined by the company at the present time.
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[Some of the names and their initials were blurred on the microfilm so the best interpretations are shown.  Corrections are solicited.]

Gordon Hamilton
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sat Jul 18 22:35:39 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:35:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Lynchburg RAIL DAY model train show Saturday Aug 8, 2009 9 am.
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Lynchburg RAIL DAY model train show Saturday Aug 8, 2009 9 am. Bigger and better than ever!

http://www.blueridgenrhs.org

AND/OR

http://www.blueridgenrhs.org/rail_day.htm

Special message for Boy Scouts working on requirements for the Railroading Merit Badge. See website!!

Please pardon multiple list posting.

Charlie Long
Lynchburg



From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Jul 19 03:45:15 2009
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:45:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: View from a tower?
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Does anyone have thoughts about where the photo in eBay 360170940137 was taken?  It looks like it is from an interlocking tower.  Also, it appears to be pulling loaded VGN hopper cars.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Orig-Kodachrome-Slide-N-W-1952-A-Class-Steam-Action_W0QQitemZ360170940137QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item53dbdc66e9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A4%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A2124%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A200

Good morning,

Frank Scheer
f_scheer at yahoo.com

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Jul 19 08:02:45 2009
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Subject: View from a tower?
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I would guess that the photo was taken from a bridge, rather than an 
interlocking tower.  The telephone lines appear to go directly beneath 
the photographer, which would indicate either that they terminate at a 
building wall, or pass beneath whatever he is standing on.  The presence 
of a pole at the very bottom of the frame argues against the former. 
Also, I see no evidence of signals, switches, or anything else 
associated with an interlocking installation.

What intrigues me is the difference between the three tracks.  Notice 
that the middle track is buried up to the tops of the ties with a fine 
black material, and that the rails are nowhere near as heavy or as 
polished at the outer two tracks.  Is it possible that this is a section 
of double track, with a siding/passing track in the middle?

Kenneth Rickman

NW Mailing List wrote:
> Does anyone have thoughts about where the photo in eBay 360170940137 was taken?  It looks like it is from an interlocking tower.  Also, it appears to be pulling loaded VGN hopper cars.
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Orig-Kodachrome-Slide-N-W-1952-A-Class-Steam-Action_W0QQitemZ360170940137QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item53dbdc66e9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A4%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A2124%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A200
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> Frank Scheer
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Jul 19 15:35:26 2009
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:35:26 -0400
Subject: View from a tower?
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Appears to me to be on the Columbus District somewhere I also agree that its 
at

an overpass not a tower.



Larry Evans

Kenova,WV



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> Does anyone have thoughts about where the photo in eBay 360170940137 was 
> taken?  It looks like it is from an interlocking tower.  Also, it appears 
> to be pulling loaded VGN hopper cars.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Orig-Kodachrome-Slide-N-W-1952-A-Class-Steam-Action_W0QQitemZ360170940137QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item53dbdc66e9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A4%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A2124%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A200
>
> Good morning,
>
> Frank Scheer
> f_scheer at yahoo.com
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Jul 19 18:06:56 2009
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:06:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: View from a tower
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With out a doubt taken from the Weigand Road overpass in the middle of Dix center siding. Just west of Ashville, OH on the Columbus Dist.

Whit Wardell



Does anyone have thoughts about where the photo in eBay 360170940137 was taken?  It looks like it is from an interlocking tower.  Also, it appears to be pulling loaded VGN hopper cars.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Orig-Kodachrome-Slide-N-W-1952-A-Class-Steam-Action_W0QQitemZ360170940137QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item53dbdc66e9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A4%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A2124%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A200

Good morning,

Frank Scheer
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Jul 19 18:21:16 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:21:16 -0400
Subject: View from a tower?
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It's on the Columbus District and there are three candidates with an 
overpass (this is not from a tower) and the total lack of other geographical 
features.

First would be toward the north end of Ritts middle track just north of 
Circleville (Roundtown).

Next would be at Dix just north of Ashville (this would be my best guess).

Next possibility would be at Miner, the next siding north of Dix.

All three of these were listed in the April 27, 1952 Time Table No. 2.

What say you, Harry?

Those Virginian loads probably came from the Gilbert connection; Virginian 
coal was not a stranger to the Columbus District.

EdKing


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> Appears to me to be on the Columbus District somewhere I also agree that 
> its at
>
> an overpass not a tower.
>
>
>
> Larry Evans
>
> Kenova,WV
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: "N&W Historical Society" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:45 AM
> Subject: View from a tower?
>
>
>> Does anyone have thoughts about where the photo in eBay 360170940137 was 
>> taken?  It looks like it is from an interlocking tower.  Also, it appears 
>> to be pulling loaded VGN hopper cars.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Orig-Kodachrome-Slide-N-W-1952-A-Class-Steam-Action_W0QQitemZ360170940137QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item53dbdc66e9&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A4%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A2124%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A200
>>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> Frank Scheer
>> f_scheer at yahoo.com
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>>
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Jul 19 21:59:31 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:59:31 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1909--NRH&W
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
December 7, 1909

RAILROAD TO ROCKY GAP TO BE CHRISTMAS GIFT
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New River, Holston and Western Expects to Complete Extension by the Holidays

    The New River, Holston and Western Railway, which extends up in the mountains towards Rocky Gap, expects to be able to finish its extension to Rocky Gap by Christmas.  It is possible that trains will be running by the first of the year and when this is accomplished an entirely new country will be opened up.  The road will then run within eight miles of Bluefield and will develop a great timber country much of which is owned by the Narrows Tanning Company.
    The line, which skirts the New River at Narrows, gradually climbs the mountains at that point and has been a common carrier for several years.  In addition to opening a large timber country the extension will reach the Round Mountain district which has some very good iron deposits.
------
[The phrase "climbs the mountains" may give a false impression that the NRH&W was a mountain railroad.  Instead it followed Wolf Creek all the way from Narrows to Rocky Gap, and the climb from the former to the latter was only a little over 500 feet in 20.7 miles--an average grade less than 0.5%.  On the other hand Rocky Gap was across big East River Mountain from the reporter in Bluefield, so he might not have known anything about the terrain on the "wilderness" side of the big mountain.]

Gordon Hamilton
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