From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Jul 20 06:15:45 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:15:45 -0400
Subject: Winston Salem District Signals
In-Reply-To: <8CBD433C68879FA-F74-34AE@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com>
References: <fa3c91530907150309k75277a40ye826ab6e1cf8db89@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CBD433C68879FA-F74-34AE@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <fa3c91530907200315mcc777d6x566c2998038e29b@mail.gmail.com>

Before the WS line was converted to TC, what kind of signals were
there?  I have a sneaking suspicion that they were Style S semaphores.
 Am I close?

And, yes, at Henry the south end of the siding has automatic signals
where the home signals used to be.  A lot of this makes sense now.  I
just didn't know the particulars that created the situation.

Ben Blevins


On 7/16/09, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>
> Ben:
> Prior to TC installation, the W-S district had 19 passing sidings from
> Roanoke
> Terminal to North Winston which averaged 3574 feet in length.? There were
> 15 day telegraph offices plus Payne (24/7), so during the day, there was an
> operator every 7.4 miles.? After TC, nine sidings were removed or shortened,
> but seven passing sidings remained - Boone's Mill, Starkey, Henry, and
> others.? They became designated "storage tracks" in the timetable.? What's
> the significance of a storage track ?? I don't know.? Apparently N&W felt
> it wasn't necessary to provide power switches and signaling for these short
> sidings.? By 1972, the telegraph offices had been reduced from 15 to 9 and
> that's how N&W got the economic justification to install traffic control.
>
> As far as the signal at the north end of Henry being a controlled signal --
> remember -- a train can pass a stop-and-proceed (or restricting) signal and
> proceed at restricted speed.? North of the signal at Henry, there are?three
> back-to-back 10 degree curves and then the ruling grade (1.53%) to Ferrum.
> If you have a set of?pusher units returning light from Belews Creek with a
> one
> man crew and it's following a train grinding up the hill, it's not exactly
> the
> safest practice.? Remember the definition of restricted speed ?? "Able to?
> stop?short of? etc., etc. etc."? It's probably as quick to hold?a train at
> the
> bottom of Ferrum Hill than it is to allow it to follow at restricted speed.
> Safer too.
>
> Henry had been home to Blue Ridge Paints.? It was one of eight companies
> that
> supplied paint to N&W for hoppers.? After TC, apparently the signals at the
> south end remained, but weren't able to display a "STOP" indication.? A
> local doing "one-in, one-out" switching at Blue Ridge Paints would have had
> to follow the procedure for passing a "STOP" indication.? That's one
> person's
> interpretation.? I wish Henry Nase was still around.
> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Harry Bundy
> ????
> ??
>

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Jul 20 07:04:43 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:04:43 -0400
Subject: Winston Salem District Signals
In-Reply-To: <fa3c91530907200315mcc777d6x566c2998038e29b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fa3c91530907150309k75277a40ye826ab6e1cf8db89@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CBD433C68879FA-F74-34AE@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com>
	<fa3c91530907200315mcc777d6x566c2998038e29b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ae8c7d20907200404j50b2cdedy9cb6d0ed618a8d05@mail.gmail.com>

The signals were CPLs. At least in Martinsville, as I was about 14 years old
when the Punkin' Vine was converted to TC. I didn't have the mobility to
railfan like I do now!



On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 6:15 AM, NW Mailing List
<nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>wrote:

> Before the WS line was converted to TC, what kind of signals were
> there?  I have a sneaking suspicion that they were Style S semaphores.
>  Am I close?
>
> And, yes, at Henry the south end of the siding has automatic signals
> where the home signals used to be.  A lot of this makes sense now.  I
> just didn't know the particulars that created the situation.
>
> Ben Blevins
>
>
> On 7/16/09, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ben:
> > Prior to TC installation, the W-S district had 19 passing sidings from
> > Roanoke
> > Terminal to North Winston which averaged 3574 feet in length.? There were
> > 15 day telegraph offices plus Payne (24/7), so during the day, there was
> an
> > operator every 7.4 miles.? After TC, nine sidings were removed or
> shortened,
> > but seven passing sidings remained - Boone's Mill, Starkey, Henry, and
> > others.? They became designated "storage tracks" in the timetable.?
> What's
> > the significance of a storage track ?? I don't know.? Apparently N&W felt
> > it wasn't necessary to provide power switches and signaling for these
> short
> > sidings.? By 1972, the telegraph offices had been reduced from 15 to 9
> and
> > that's how N&W got the economic justification to install traffic control.
> >
> > As far as the signal at the north end of Henry being a controlled signal
> --
> > remember -- a train can pass a stop-and-proceed (or restricting) signal
> and
> > proceed at restricted speed.? North of the signal at Henry, there
> are?three
> > back-to-back 10 degree curves and then the ruling grade (1.53%) to
> Ferrum.
> > If you have a set of?pusher units returning light from Belews Creek with
> a
> > one
> > man crew and it's following a train grinding up the hill, it's not
> exactly
> > the
> > safest practice.? Remember the definition of restricted speed ?? "Able
> to?
> > stop?short of? etc., etc. etc."? It's probably as quick to hold?a train
> at
> > the
> > bottom of Ferrum Hill than it is to allow it to follow at restricted
> speed.
> > Safer too.
> >
> > Henry had been home to Blue Ridge Paints.? It was one of eight companies
> > that
> > supplied paint to N&W for hoppers.? After TC, apparently the signals at
> the
> > south end remained, but weren't able to display a "STOP" indication.? A
> > local doing "one-in, one-out" switching at Blue Ridge Paints would have
> had
> > to follow the procedure for passing a "STOP" indication.? That's one
> > person's
> > interpretation.? I wish Henry Nase was still around.
> > ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Harry
> Bundy
> > ????
> > ??
> >
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Jul 20 08:28:55 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:28:55 -0400
Subject: Dix Overpass (was View from a tower?)
Message-ID: <89043cd60907200528i88f1a0of2ec5725d14446db@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Whit, this is Dix off of the Weigand Road overpass in northern
Pickaway County, Ohio.

To the far right, you can see the right of way of the C&O, and based on the
fields, woods and other natural features that are still there...this is
precisely that location.

There were numerous over passes of this configuration on the Columbus
District and I've spent many hours sitting at them during the mid 1980's
into the 90's.

Eric at CG Tower
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Jul 20 09:06:33 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:06:33 -0400
Subject: Revenue idea
References: <9CB4F72E2AC841EF925CC00EC5B5ADD0@MomDad>
Message-ID: <A2DCF083565C4C6FB8DF3AC65E714F8E@home>

I have been told that I missed a really good slide show at the convention, if these are the slides from the 2009 convention you have mentioned, I to will PRE ORDER a DVD/CD at this time!

W.A.Coleman
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: NW Mailing List 
  To: NW Mailing List 
  Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:18 PM
  Subject: Revenue idea


  After attending the Convention in Roanoke and seeing slide presentations like the Don Ball collection, I had a thought. I would certainly like to be able to see those pictures again and not just at the Conventions. How about putting them on a CD and making them available for sale? It would be another source of revenue for the Society (which we need) and you could view them anytime you wanted. I know I'd get my wallet out!

  Rick Musser
  Strasburg, Pa. 


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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Jul 20 17:06:47 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:06:47 -0400
Subject: Abingdon Caboose
Message-ID: <4A64DC67.3090400@phys.vt.edu>

Chas Seaver is pushing his Abingdon volunteers hard to get the caboose in 
proper finish. The first coat of red was applied today. It really stands 
out at Depot Square.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

[Moderator]
See image at following:
http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=48

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Jul 20 18:56:21 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:56:21 -0400
Subject: Abingdon Caboose
In-Reply-To: <4A64DC67.3090400@phys.vt.edu>
References: <4A64DC67.3090400@phys.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <fa3c91530907201556r4c86867fo6f905020c30cf538@mail.gmail.com>

Wow!  That's looking good.  I noticed when I rode through there on
Saturday that their was a lot of primer on it.

Ben Blevins

On 7/20/09, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> Chas Seaver is pushing his Abingdon volunteers hard to get the caboose in
> proper finish. The first coat of red was applied today. It really stands
> out at Depot Square.
>
> Mike Pierry, Jr.
>
> [Moderator]
> See image at following:
> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=48
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jul 22 01:46:29 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:46:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Roanoke to Bluefield and Shenandoah - November 7-8
Message-ID: <111273.48025.qm@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The Roanoke Chapter ? National Railway Historical Society (RC-NRHS) thanks you for your interest in the Amtrak excursion trains operating from Roanoke, Virginia, on November 7 & 8, 2009, to Bluefield and Shenandoah.

A brochure with trip information and a ticket order form is expected to be available the second week of August, and can be emailed as a PDF file attachment.  If you cannot download and open a PDF file, then please reply to this email with your name and a postal mailing address so that a paper copy can be mailed to you.  A ticket order with full payment is required to confirm a seat on the train(s).

I?m looking forward to seeing you on the train!

Walter Alexander, Membership Chairman & Electronic Billing Contact
Terrapin66 at cox.net
Roanoke Chapter NRHS
PO Box 13222
Roanoke  VA  24032-3222

[A Terrapin in Tech Country?]

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jul 22 07:13:54 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:13:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Location of Thompson's Motel-Shawsville
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Message-ID: <961974.36280.qm@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm trying to locate the site of Thompson's Motel, which may have been on Rt 11 near Shawsville, VA ca 1955-1960.  O. Winston Link may have made some recordings from the back of the motel, according to the daughter whose parents once owned this facility.  I found only one reference to Shawsville recordings in Link's notes (one of the several missing tapes), but he referred specifically to the station area.

Thanks for any help you can give me on this! 

Dave Stephenson





      

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jul 22 09:42:34 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:42:34 -0400
Subject: Location of Thompson's Motel-Shawsville
In-Reply-To: <961974.36280.qm@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CBD8E96727A6F8-10A0-1C6C@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com>






Dave:

Thompson's Motel was on the north side of US 460, west of the present
day school.   It was a favorite haunt of H. Reid.  He also made
recordings there.  Returning from Abingdon in August, 1955, H. Reid,

Bill Gwaltney, and Jack Stith put up there.  The next morning we
climbed the bank behind the motel and saw Eng 601 hauling No. 18
out of the morning fog.
                                  Harry Bundy 

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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jul 22 11:20:15 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:20:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Location of Thompson's Motel-Shawsville
Message-ID: <32590900.1248276016074.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

OK, brother Dave, here we go:

Thompsons Motel, Shawsville
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=37.169409,-80.26091&spn=0.001898,0.003401&t=h&z=18

>From the location, I can't imagine Link recording from here. Mother-in-law says this is it. (I don't argue with her - She's too good of a cook!).

Charlie Long
(you're welcome)


-----Original Message-----
>From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>Sent: Jul 22, 2009 7:13 AM
>To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>Subject: Location of Thompson's Motel-Shawsville
>
>I'm trying to locate the site of Thompson's Motel, which may have been on Rt 11 near Shawsville, VA ca 1955-1960.  O. Winston Link may have made some recordings from the back of the motel, according to the daughter whose parents once owned this facility.  I found only one reference to Shawsville recordings in Link's notes (one of the several missing tapes), but he referred specifically to the station area.
>
>Thanks for any help you can give me on this! 
>
>Dave Stephenson
>
>
>
>
>
>      
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jul 22 11:44:50 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:44:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Cover photo, THE ARROW Vol. 24, No. 4
Message-ID: <33042450.1248277491191.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

To Publisher/ Editor:
Photo is of a west bound hopper train, probably 813, at Lynchburg, VA. photographer is standing on the platform of the former N&W (later AMTRAK) Woodall Road passenger station.
Charlie Long
Lynchburg



From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jul 22 12:57:23 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:57:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Location of Thompson's Motel-Shawsville
In-Reply-To: <8CBD8E96727A6F8-10A0-1C6C@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <230817.35732.qm@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Harry,

You opened up something new here.  I didn't know that H. made recordings, too!  Did any survive?

Dave Stephenson

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: Location of Thompson's Motel-Shawsville
> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
> Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 9:42 AM
> 
> Dave:
>
> Thompson's Motel was on the north side of US 460, west
> of the present day school.   It was a favorite haunt of H. Reid.  He also
> made recordings there.  Returning from Abingdon in August, 1955,
> H. Reid, Bill Gwaltney, and Jack Stith put up there.  The next
> morning we climbed the bank behind the motel and saw Eng 601 hauling
> No. 18 out of the morning fog.
> 
>                                   Harry Bundy



      

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jul 22 13:05:23 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:05:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Location of Thompson's Motel-Shawsville
In-Reply-To: <32590900.1248276016074.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <908697.99605.qm@web31811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Charlie,

The motel location is about 500' from the tracks, so it may have been better than it looked.  A little distance is usually a good thing if the area acoustics are favorable.

Thanks for the map.  Google's zoom-in resolution is better than Terraserver or Bing.

Dave Stephenson




      

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jul 22 16:09:02 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:09:02 -0400
Subject: N&S in 1909
Message-ID: <3922E55B35A048008075A68C15AD70E3@DellVostro>

Bluefield Daily Telegraph
December 8, 1909

BRINGS $8,500,000
------
Norfolk and Southern Property Bid is for Reorganization Committee

    Norfolk, Va., Dec. 7--The Norfolk and Southern Railway property late today was bid in for$8,500,000 by Rathbone Gardner, of New York, in the name of the Norfolk and Southern Reorganization committee.

Gordon Hamilton
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jul 22 16:30:51 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:30:51 -0400
Subject: Roanoke to Bluefield and Shenandoah - November 7-8
Message-ID: <4A6776FB.2020201@phys.vt.edu>

The ticket ordering information isn't available yet for the Roanoke Chapter 
NRHS Amtrak trips. Roanoke NRHS members are on this mailing list, and will 
info us / the list when ordering info is available. Its my understanding 
that the 11/7 (Saturday) trip is Roanoke to Bluefield, while 11/8 (Sunday) 
is Roanoke to Shenandoah. We will keep the list advised as more info 
becomes available.

- Moderator

Hello,

Please mail us a ticket order form to:

...............


 > The Roanoke Chapter National Railway Historical Society (RC-NRHS) thanks 
you for your interest in the Amtrak excursion trains operating from 
Roanoke, Virginia, on November 7 & 8, 2009, to Bluefield and Shenandoah.
 >
 > A brochure with trip information and a ticket order form is expected to 
be available the second week of August, and can be emailed as a PDF file 
attachment.  If you cannot download and open a PDF file, then please reply 
to this email with your name and a postal mailing address so that a paper 
copy can be mailed to you.  A ticket order with full payment is required to 
confirm a seat on the train(s).
 >

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jul 22 16:37:33 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:37:33 -0400
Subject: N&W shots '71 to '82 on RRPictureArchives
In-Reply-To: <c8d.4b35b0de.37985127@aol.com>
References: <c8d.4b35b0de.37985127@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A67788D.2050501@phys.vt.edu>

Here is a shortened easier to digest link to the Brian Woodruff N&W photo 
gallery on RR Pictures Archives.net.


http://tinyurl.com/ne8ywb


Here is the long version. Either should work the same. You can cut&past the 
URL into your web browser, or most email clients allow you to click the URL 
in the email message.


http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=17100


- Moderator



NW Modeling List wrote:
> For some reason 
>  >http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=17100  won't 
> come up for me.  Any suggestions ?
> Neil K. Yerger
>  
>  
> In a message dated 7/22/2009 7:02:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org writes:
> 
>     At 09:47 PM 6/16/2009 -0400, you wrote:
>      >List:
>      >Got this from the NS Fans Yahoo group.
>      >
>      >http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=17100
>      >
>      >Good for record keeping and modeling.
> 
> 
>     Those are some amazing photos - if for no other reason than he was
>     shooting the same stuff at the same time I was, but in different
>     places.  Many of the same locos he shot in Fostoria, Bellevue, and
>     Marion I shot in Hammond or Cincinnati around the same time.
> 
>     He even has the same two brand new SCL U18Bs I shot at dusk one night
>     at Cincinnati's Undercliff yard.  And the GP9 2533 - 8/1/74 at
>     Pullman, and I have shots of it going both ways through Hammond circa
>     early July 74.
> 
>     Very cool.
> 
>     Andy

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jul 22 17:17:45 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:17:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Your stimulus dollars at work...
In-Reply-To: <928515.62618.qm@web53308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <63697.29725.qm@web30101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

[Thanks, Ned!]

New railroad museum is set to chug into Portsmouth
Posted to: Community News Portsmouth

Photo:

This Norfolk & Western steam locomotive was among the early 20th Century treasures that came to be called the "Lost Engines of Roanoke." They have been sitting in a scrap yard in that city for 60 years and are now bound for restoration. (Courtesy of The Western Virginia Railroad Preservation Society.)

Groundbreaking ceremony for the Railroad Museum of Virginia 

4 p.m. Thursday Where 16 Crawford Circle, next to the nTelos Pavilion. 

The ceremony will be rescheduled in the event of severe weather. For more 
information, call (757) 393-4093, ext. 334.


By Janie Bryant
The Virginian-Pilot
? July 22, 2009 
PORTSMOUTH

After 11 years of work, on Thursday the ceremonial shovels will finally hit the ground at the site of a new Railroad Museum of Virginia.

Construction of a sheltered platform reminiscent of an old-fashioned train depot should be complete in four months, said former state Sen. Willard J. Moody Sr., who led the effort.

Visitors will use the platform to board four antique rail cars that have been restored for exhibits: a dining car, two mail cars and a caboose.

Eventually, they also will get to examine a steam locomotive that first hit the tracks in 1910.

"Believe me, we've looked high and low across the whole United States," for a steam locomotive, Moody said.

They found what they were looking for in a Roanoke scrap yard.

The "Lost Engines of Roanoke" were castoffs from the early 20th century that had been fading away in the scrap yard for 60 years.

Railroad devotees have been trying to save them for at least half that time, said Bev Fitzpatrick, executive director of The Virginia Museum of Transportation in Roanoke.

The owner of the yard had promised them to the Roanoke museum. So in return for covering the cost of moving all of the "Lost Engines" from the scrap yard, Portsmouth's museum will get one of the locomotives and a tender.

Moody said restoration work on the locomotive should be completed by the end of the year. When the work is finished, the cost of moving the Roanoke trains and restoring Portsmouth's locomotive and tender will be about $225,000, he said.

In addition, another $400,000 will have been spent on the museum site construction and improvements, he said. The locomotive Portsmouth will get is one of the last examples of its kind, a Norfolk & Western Class M2 steam locomotive used until 1950.

Putting a shine back on the old steam engine is just the kind of preservation work that Portsmouth's museum boosters hoped to do.

The museum has already acquired an extensive inventory of artifacts that will be used to tell the history of railroads in Portsmouth and beyond.

It is a story Moody and his group are eager to share with a new generation.

Moody, who spent most of his law career representing railroad workers, said he can look outside his downtown office and see the families making their way to the Children's Museum of Virginia next door.

"I think that's what we're going to see with these trains," he said. "We're going to see groups of children that learn about the history of America through the history of railroads."

Janie Bryant, (757) 446-2453, janie.bryant at pilotonline.com

Source: http://hamptonroads.com/2009/07/new-railroad-museum-set-chug-portsmouth

As of:  July 22, 2009


From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jul 22 17:35:38 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:35:38 -0400
Subject: Virginian in 1909--Princeton
Message-ID: <C465E09851054C99A4BF73745508C060@DellVostro>

Bluefield Daily Telegraph
December 9, 1909

PRINCETON PROGRESS
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Hustling Little City is Being Rapidly Build Up--Work on Shops

    Roanoke Times: All returning visitors from the hustling little city of Princeton, W. Va., report marked activity there in all sections of the town.  The sound of the saw and hammer is heard on every hand, and many fine residences, as well as business houses, are being erected.  Sewers are being put in various points of the city, and water mains are now being placed, to convey a supply of pure water from springs near the town.
    Work on the Virginian shops is being pushed rapidly.  The largest part of the steel work on the several railroad buildings is competed.  The powerhouse and storage house are about completed and the concrete foundations of the planing-mill is also nearly finished.  A number of carpenters are at work putting in the wood work on the roundhouse and paint shop.
    A street car line built from the business section to the Virginian depot, will go into operation this week.
    The Christain denomination is now building a handsome new church while a new Methodist church will shortly be erected.
    It is also announced that an up-to-date hotel, containing eighty rooms, will be built in the near future at a cost of about $30,000*.
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*Blurred on the microfilm,  Best interpretation is shown.

Gordon Hamilton
    
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Jul 22 23:26:40 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:26:40 -0400
Subject: Another convention follow-up
Message-ID: <caa7bffd0907222026s6e49e39bge69550aa1c9edb6e@mail.gmail.com>

Due to travel immediately after the convention, this is somewhat overdue and
I do apologize.  I did want to add my personal thanks, and Steve Summers's
appreciation, to all the clinicians/presenters who gave seminars at the
convention.  Your cooperation was excellent, as were your presentations.  I
suspect that historians and model rails will be spending some significant
time digesting the material that was provided.  So thanks all, very much.

Frank Bongiovanni
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Jul 23 09:22:19 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:22:19 -0400
Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren
Message-ID: <4A68640B.2020704@phys.vt.edu>

Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with eleven of the 
Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. Attending for the first time 
was my oldest grandson, Hunter who is 15 and an avid VGN rail fan.

The video shown was one that Hunter and I took yesterday of a coal train 
that we chased on the old N&W (VGN had track work in progress)from west of 
Salem to the VGN Passenger Station via the "VN" connection. Also we shot 
the last remains of the old Roanoke Mills (Metropolitan and Martha White 
Flour and dog food)with all of the grain elevators now down for the 
Carilion Project. If you have photos of the Virginian in Roanoke anywhere 
near the old Roundhouse area, the grain elevators will probably be in the 
now "much more valuable" photos. Ruf remembered the mill burning down in 
1944 and the burnt flour odor filled the yard for about a year until the 
new silos were rebuilt in 1945. Scotty said that spotting grain cars behind 
the silos was like "working on ice, when the grain was wet". This is also 
the area in the news lately, concerning the moving of the "lost steam 
engines" to their new homes.

I passed around photos of Aubrey Wiley's newest Virginian rail artifact, a 
1932 Fairbanks Morse Sheffield Motor Car Model 41, VGN #109. Aubrey tells 
me that there are only five other Sheffield Model 41s in existence. He and 
his lovely wife Charlotte plan to overhaul the 8.5 HP engine and ride it on 
branch line railroads that allow privately owned motor cars. Aubrey has 
constructed a 2/3 size motor car shed to house it from plans sent to him by 
Tom Marshall. You can visit Aubrey's collection and see this rare VGN 
artifact on the afternoon of August 8 as part of Lynchburg Rail Day. 
Aubrey's Relic Garden now has 32 pieces of Rail History. This prompted the 
Brethren to talk of motor cars that they remember. Russell McDaniel, Master 
Mechanic at Victoria at the merger, recalled riding a motor car from 
Roanoke to Victoria with E. E. Jones every other month and "it was a very 
bumpy ride". Ruf Wingfield said that Mr. Jones hit a box car once with his 
motor car at "PD Bottom" near the west end of the Roanoke yard.

Landon brought photos sent to him by Kenny Kirkman of the last passenger 
train on the VGN and a toy VGN steam locomotive and tender whittled by Roy 
Matheas. Raymond East brought a very nice 12 X 12 inch VGN metal logo that 
he recently purchased at a local flea market.

Russell McDaniel's lovely wife Lou visited our group for a few minutes and 
told me that I had added two years to Russell's life on the Birthday card 
that we prepared for him this year. I have in my records his birth date of 
5-22-24 and he was actually born in 1922 making him 87 instead of 85...

The ebay report this week has the following: Slide of VGN 75-ton hopper 
$7.50; 1949 ad "Virginian's New Electrics Meet All" $21.89; Negative of VGN 
Squarehead #106 $9.95; Negative of VGN #806 $9.95; Two photos of VGN wreck 
at Lafayette $14.95; Slide of VGN FM #115 $24.49; 1910 VGN Rwy club car 
permit $38.55 and 3 VGN Annual Passes: 1910 for $38.55, 1917 for $25.37 and 
1920 for $28.21.

I passed around to the Brethren a group of letters from young children to 
God, sent to me by a good friend. One that I liked was from "Mickey D": 
"Dear God, If you watch in Church on Sunday I will show you my new shoes". 
The Brethren's favorite was from "Jane": "Dear God, Instead of letting 
people die and haveing to make new ones, why don't you just keep the ones 
you got now?"

Time to pull the pin on this one!

Departing Now from V248,

Skip and Hunter Salmon







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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:42:45 -0400
Subject: N&S in 1909
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BRINGS $8,500,000

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Norfolk and Southern Property Bid is for Reorganization Committee

?

??? Norfolk, Va., Dec. 7--The Norfolk and Southern Railway property late today was bid in for$8,500,000 by Rathbone Gardner, of New York, in the name of the Norfolk and Southern Reorganization committee.

?

Gordon Hamilton


Norfolk Southern wandered in and out of receivership many times.? With each reorganization there was an
attempt to keep the reporting marks simular.??Once it was?Norfolk Southern RailROAD.? Another time it
became Norfolk & Southern Railway.?? During one reorganization the ampersand was dropped and it
became Norfolk Southern again.? There is a drawing in the archives files?which shows the scroll herald
with the ampersand discretely obliterated by a diamond.
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Harry Bundy?
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:51:36 -0400
Subject: Location of Thompson's Motel-Shawsville
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: Location of Thompson's Motel-Shawsville



Harry,

You opened up something new here.  I didn't know that H. made recordings, too!  
Did any survive?

Dave Stephenson

Quite frankly, Dave, I don't know.  My recollection is that his tape recorder

was probably from the Depression Era.  It lacked a lot of the modern day

refinements.  Another plus for Thompson's was that it had indoor plumbing.
H. held the microphone out the bathroom window to record.  It blotted out the
vehicular traffic noise on US 460.
                                           Harry Bundy



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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:11:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Book about N&Ws Connellsville District
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Saw this on another list:

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/ConnellsvilleDistrict

I don't know anything about it. May be of interest to the P&WV croud.
Charlie Long



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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:55:27 EDT
Subject: Book about N&Ws Connellsville District
Message-ID: <c55.50da991a.379a607f@aol.com>

The below listed book will be carried at member pricing in the  Commissary 
when available.
 
N&WHS Sales
 
 
In a message dated 7/23/2009 8:02:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes:

Saw this  on another  list:

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/ConnellsvilleDistrict

I  don't know anything about it. May be of interest to the P&WV  cloud.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:19:20 -0400
Subject: N&W and Virginian in 1909--Fighting
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
December 5, 1909

TWO ROADS FIGHTING FOR BUCHANAN COAL
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Norfolk and Western and Virginian Contesting Every Inch of Ground--Mate Creek Storm Center

    Commenting on the increased activity in the acquiring of coal lands in Buchanan county, a prominent engineer said last night that the Norfolk and Western and the Virginian Railway interests are fighting every inch in the Buchanan county fields.  Both roads recognize the value of the undeveloped territory in that section and both are after it.  The Norfolk and Western,it is said, expects to be into the field via Bradshaw, on the Dry Fork, while it is thought that the Virginian either expects to get in via Mate Creek or from Matoaka.
    This raises again the question as to who is really building or intending to build a line from the Island Creek property down Mate Creek across the Norfolk and Western into the Elkhorn field and other valuable fields in that section.  Two sets of engineers have been working and as they leave no marks on their stakes it is hard to tell just who they are.  The engineers have found that each one's route crosses the other and this has added to the muddle to such an extent that although the men higher up may know, the Virginian has never showed its hand as yet.  >From Elmore east the road has a trunk line, but from Mullens to Deepwater the road has only a railroad track.  It is the evident intention of the Virginian to go down the Guyan river to some point where it will connect up with the Island Creek property and from there get into Huntington.  The Deepwater charter called for a fifty-mile branch down to Guyan river, but a connection with the Island Creek property and railroad would give the Virginian direct connection with the Chesapeake and Ohio and thereby an entrance into Huntington over the Guyan Valley line.  From the line down the Guyan the road could throw out branch lines which could tap a great deal of coal land.  The presence of the men of H. H. Rogers as a factor at Swords Creek would make it appear that the road intends to join up with the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio, which roads Edwin Hawley is reported to be after.  It really looks as if the real heart of the whole affair is located at Mate Creek.  While everything would tend to show that other sections are being taken into consideration, Mate Creek looks as if it is the eighteenth hole.  The whole golf links will have to be gone around before the John D. crowd drive that ball into the last hole and walk to the club house.
------
[The last part of this article makes one think that the reporter missed not being able to play golf in December.  The mouth of the only Mate Creek that I know of is at Matewan, some nine railroad miles east of Williamson.  With Pike County Kentucky across the Tug River from Matewan, Mate Creek seems to be a unlikely route to Buchanan County, Virginia.  Also, the upper reaches of Mate Creek would be hard for the Virginian to access from the Guyandotte (aka Guyan) River at Gilbert.  Any thoughts on this?]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:12:56 -0400 (EDT)
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Fri Jul 24 13:27:58 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:27:58 -0400
Subject: N&W and Virginian in 1909--Fighting
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In 1909 Bradshaw was located about 4 miles farther up Bradshaw Creek than the current location.  In 1909 what we now know as Bradshaw was Coal Junction (across the Dry Fork from Dan).  Bradshaw was located at what is today called Jolo.  Coal Junction was probably changed to Bradshaw when the Bradshaw Coal Co started operations at Dan in 1919. A quick check of Dry Fork timetables do not show any station between Carlos and Atwell through April 30, 1922 (which is the latest date I have readily available).  The N&W train station was built at Bradshaw in 1926.

The Bradshaw post office was moved to the new community of Bradshaw on May 16, 1930, the Dan Post office was discontinued in 1930 and a new post office with the name of Jolo was established at the original Bradshaw post office site on May 1, 1930. 

Alex Schust
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  Bluefield Daily Telegraph
  December 5, 1909

  TWO ROADS FIGHTING FOR BUCHANAN COAL
  ------
  Norfolk and Western and Virginian Contesting Every Inch of Ground--Mate Creek Storm Center

      Commenting on the increased activity in the acquiring of coal lands in Buchanan county, a prominent engineer said last night that the Norfolk and Western and the Virginian Railway interests are fighting every inch in the Buchanan county fields.  Both roads recognize the value of the undeveloped territory in that section and both are after it.  The Norfolk and Western,it is said, expects to be into the field via Bradshaw, on the Dry Fork, while it is thought that the Virginian either expects to get in via Mate Creek or from Matoaka.
      This raises again the question as to who is really building or intending to build a line from the Island Creek property down Mate Creek across the Norfolk and Western into the Elkhorn field and other valuable fields in that section.  Two sets of engineers have been working and as they leave no marks on their stakes it is hard to tell just who they are.  The engineers have found that each one's route crosses the other and this has added to the muddle to such an extent that although the men higher up may know, the Virginian has never showed its hand as yet.  >From Elmore east the road has a trunk line, but from Mullens to Deepwater the road has only a railroad track.  It is the evident intention of the Virginian to go down the Guyan river to some point where it will connect up with the Island Creek property and from there get into Huntington.  The Deepwater charter called for a fifty-mile branch down to Guyan river, but a connection with the Island Creek property and railroad would give the Virginian direct connection with the Chesapeake and Ohio and thereby an entrance into Huntington over the Guyan Valley line.  From the line down the Guyan the road could throw out branch lines which could tap a great deal of coal land.  The presence of the men of H. H. Rogers as a factor at Swords Creek would make it appear that the road intends to join up with the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio, which roads Edwin Hawley is reported to be after.  It really looks as if the real heart of the whole affair is located at Mate Creek.  While everything would tend to show that other sections are being taken into consideration, Mate Creek looks as if it is the eighteenth hole.  The whole golf links will have to be gone around before the John D. crowd drive that ball into the last hole and walk to the club house.
  ------
  [The last part of this article makes one think that the reporter missed not being able to play golf in December.  The mouth of the only Mate Creek that I know of is at Matewan, some nine railroad miles east of Williamson.  With Pike County Kentucky across the Tug River from Matewan, Mate Creek seems to be a unlikely route to Buchanan County, Virginia.  Also, the upper reaches of Mate Creek would be hard for the Virginian to access from the Guyandotte (aka Guyan) River at Gilbert.  Any thoughts on this?]

  Gordon Hamilton


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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:15:37 -0400
Subject: Laying Rails in Bristol
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Registration forms and detailed schedule for the joint SRHA/NWHS 
Mini-con in Bristol is now on the web site at

http://www.nwhs.org/convention/BristolFlyer.pdf

Be sure to scroll down to see the registration form.

Ron Davis


From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Fri Jul 24 17:38:41 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:38:41 -0400
Subject: N&W and Virginian in 1909--Rivals
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
December 8, 1909

WHICH WILL FIRST GET INTO BUCHANAN?
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Three Railroads Struggling for Entrance to Rich Undeveloped County
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COAL LANDS QUIETLY BEING GOBBLED UP
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One Route That Might Appeal to Virginian Might Bring That Road to This City With Big Yards in South Bluefield
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STEEL CORPORATION MAY BE INTERESTED IN NEW FIELD
------

    It was learned yesterday that the fight which is going on in Buchanan county between the rival companies is for the control of land.  Quietly a number of men have been going over the country acquiring coal lands similar to the methods which were adopted in the Pocahontas field.  The plan is for the various companies to hold as much land as possible and then to lease the land to operators who will work the various seams.  At the present time about a dozen companies own land in the county.  Some are local companies while others are made up of men from Richmond, New York, Boston and many other cities.  When it comes down to the final work of leasing the land it will be found that the best part of it is owned by people who are at present interested financially in the development of the section in and about Russell and Wise counties.  The Northern Coal and Coke Company also owns considerable land while the greater part of the balance is divided up into ten and twenty thousand acre plots.  What interest the Steel Corporation has in the land is not known, but it is the policy of that company to always have its men on the ground where valuable iron and coal deposits are to be found.  The Norfolk and Western and the Virginian and the Carolina, Clinchfield   and Ohio are planning projected lines into that section, but which will get there first is the question.  The Norfolk and Western has the advantage on account of being able to get into the territory through Toms Creek, Bradshaw, Boissevain or Knox Creek.  It also has the better opportunity to get into Russell through the Dry Fork branch.
    The Carolina Clinchfield and Ohio can get in through Dante, which would necessitate building a long tunnel, or through Dumps Creek, while the Virginian can get to the coal from Rock and along Laurel Creek or from Narrows or Ingleside as has been suggested.  The Narrows route looks good as by the purchase of the New River, Holston and Western, a route is already laid out as far as Rocky Gap.  From there a good grade can be had along Nye Cove, past Round mountain with its iron deposits, over to Gratton and into Tazewell Courthouse [Later the town of Tazewell.].  If this route is taken large timber tracts of chestnut, hemlock, tan bark, oak and other valuable timbers in addition to iron can be passed through while on the way to the coal in the southwest.
    Such a road might strike Bluefield and with the bottom land to be found in South Bluefield sufficient room could be had for handling the product for eastward  shipments.  It would also be possible to locate a by-product plant in Bluefield and with iron close by there is no reason why Bluefield should not become a great commercial centre.
    If there is any possibility of getting another railroad, the local chamber of commerce should appoint a committee to take the matter up and see what can be accomplished.
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:59:22 -0400
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:37:06 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1909--New bridges
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
December 14, 1909

THE GRAHAM DAILY NEWS
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NEW IRON TRESTLES
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Railroad to Make Extensive Improvements Between Here and Pocahontas

    The Daily News man learned yesterday that the Norfolk and Western is preparing to begin immediately some extensive improvements between Graham and Pocahontas, which will consist of the installation of a number of new iron trestles to take the place of present iron bridges that [Best interpretation shown.] are as strong and modern as generally used by other railroads of the country, but their removal to give way to the new is but in keeping with the policy of the Norfolk and Western Company to use only the best material and equipment obtainable.  The new bridges were purchased of the American and the Virginia Bridge Companies and are as modern in their appointment and structure as have yet been manufactured.  The iron bridges now in use were the best when put in a few years ago, but during their brief period new and tremendous types of the modern locomotives have found their way on the Norfolk and Western tracks and the new center girder bridge comes as a necessity in order that these giant engines do not bury themselves in the river beds.  The work of installing these modern bridges will be under the supervision of a Graham man, J. R. ?? [microfilm too blurred to decipher last name], master carpenter of the Pocahontas division, who stands high with the official staff of the company.

Gordon Hamilton
    
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:39:03 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1909--Princeton
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
December 14, 1909

MAY ENTER PRINCETON
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Norfolk and Western Likely to Touch One of Important Points on Virginian

    Roanoke Times:  Everyone concerned with the industrial business of the Princeton section of the states of Virginia and West Virginia has for a year now predicted that the Norfolk and Western, by reason of the building of the Virginian railway on a low grade, would of necessity be forced to build the original route through Princeton by way of the Stinson Gap at the head of Rocky Hollow to the mouth of Widemouth.  The Norfolk and Western has never abandoned this route, and it is now rumored that it now intends to build this line.  Whether this will be done cannot now be stated, but the fact that there are engineers on this line between Stinson Gap and Princeton and between Princeton and Sand Lick adds much to the rumor.
    The supposition that the Virginia [sic] could extend a line from Princeton to Bluefield is without foundation.  The Virginian will go to Pocahontas, tap the upper coal fields and bring the product of their mines through Princeton as the shortest route to the seaboard and the easiest grades.
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[It is interesting that this article states, "The Norfolk and Western has never abandoned this route."  None of the NWHS Archives' three 1890 and 1891 Jed Hotchkiss  maps of proposed railroad lines into the "Great Flat Top Coal Fields"  shows a line through Princeton although one 1890 map shows that some elevations were taken near Princeton and also Sand Lick Church.  Does anyone know of any other evidence that the N&W proposed to reach the coal fields by way of Princeton.  Incidentally, Sand Lick flows into the Bluestone River from the east with its mouth just north of the mouths of Crane Creek, Flipping Creek and Simmons Creek, which all flow into the river from the west.]

Gordon Hamilton
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