From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Aug 10 00:12:45 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:12:45 -0500 Subject: Virginian in 1910 -- Unlikely territory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002301ca1970$d07ffa00$717fee00$@net> That Potts Creek is a long way from Rocky Gap. Either the writer is geographically challenged, or he was aware of a different water course which was called "Potts Creek" somewhere in Bland County. Maybe! Bland County was essentially a wilderness in 1910, and in many ways it still is. At any rate, it would have been a bit of a stretch for the Virginian to go in that direction. Interesting speculation. Jim Nichols January 4, 1910 VIRGINIAN TO BLAND ------ May Go Over Tracks of New River, Holston and Western The Hardwood Lumber and Mining Company, which has about 6,000 acres of timber near Rocky Gap, expects to market the standing timber in a short time. In addition to having some good timber the company claims to have a fine deposit of iron found in Potts Creek. The property is near the New River, Holston and Western terminal at Rocky Gap and on account of being accessible to the railroad is a desirable property. The railroad, which is said to be the property of the Lees-McVitty Tannery Company, is perhaps a real solution of the Virginian question, as it may be possible that the Virginian will go up that route into the timber, coal and iron deposits of Bland county. If this should be done the railroad could get plenty of water and would have a territory which at the present time is practically untouched. This plan would not help Bluefield as it would take the railroad on the side of the East River mountain opposite to Bluefield. ------ [The reason for the reference to Potts Creek is puzzling because Potts Creek lies generally east (VGN side) of New River whereas the NR, H&W follows Wolf Creek, which is generally west (N&W side) of New River. This is the last BDT article to be posted until I return home this coming Thursday.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Aug 10 00:15:32 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:15:32 -0500 Subject: "Battleship" gonds In-Reply-To: <002201ca192d$0c15d2e0$e430fea9@lmnewton> References: <002201ca192d$0c15d2e0$e430fea9@lmnewton> Message-ID: <002801ca1971$34586e90$9d094bb0$@net> That would be the HI's, HL's (first) and HN's. Jim Nichols From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 3:08 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: "Battleship" gonds In The Pocahontas Division operating timetables dating back at least to 1911 and continuing at least through 1930, under "Special Instructions" headed "FIGURES TO BE USED IN COMPUTING TONNAGE FOR CARS OF DIFFERENT CAPACITY AND LOADING," references are made to "Battleships" of 100,000-pound capacity. When loaded with coal they were to be computed (estimated gross weight) at 78 tons, and when loaded with coke at 67 tons. Louis Newton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Aug 10 08:53:24 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:53:24 -0700 Subject: NW 611 Silver Commemoratives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all. Is anyone on the list familiar with a silver commemorative coin showing the 611 on one side and the N&W logo on the other? Coins are appoximately 1-1/2" diameter and said to be minted by "Silver Images" in Denver, CO., but I can't find any info on "Silver Images" online. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Even if these coins are total fakes they look really nice. Thanks in advance, Vince -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Aug 10 09:54:46 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Virginian in 1910 -- Unlikely territory In-Reply-To: <002301ca1970$d07ffa00$717fee00$@net> Message-ID: <336788.14389.qm@web84402.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Perhaps he was just referencing the fact that in addition to the timber holdings in Bland they also had mineral deposits along Potts Creek but didn't mention Potts Creek is in Giles County. Charlie --- On Mon, 8/10/09, NW Mailing List wrote: From: NW Mailing List Subject: RE: Virginian in 1910 -- Unlikely territory To: "'NW Mailing List'" Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 4:12 AM That Potts Creek is a long way from Rocky Gap. Either the writer is geographically challenged, or he was aware of a different water course which was called ?Potts Creek? somewhere in Bland County. Maybe! Bland County was essentially a wilderness in 1910, and in many ways it still is. At any rate, it would have been a bit of a stretch for the Virginian to go in that direction. Interesting speculation.????? ??Jim Nichols ? January 4, 1910 ? VIRGINIAN TO BLAND ------ May Go Over Tracks of New River, Holston and Western ? ??? The Hardwood Lumber and Mining Company, which has about 6,000 acres of timber near Rocky Gap, expects to market the standing timber in a short time.? In addition to having some good timber the company claims to have a fine deposit of iron found in Potts Creek.? The property is near the New River, Holston and Western terminal at Rocky Gap and on account of being accessible to the railroad is a desirable property.? The railroad, which is said to be the property of the Lees-McVitty Tannery Company, is perhaps a real solution of the Virginian question, as it may be possible that the Virginian will go up that route into the timber, coal and iron deposits of Bland county. If this should be done the railroad could get plenty of water and would have a territory which at the present time is practically untouched.? This plan would not help Bluefield as it would take the railroad on the side of the East River mountain opposite to Bluefield. ------ [The reason for the reference to Potts Creek is puzzling because Potts Creek lies generally east (VGN side) of New River whereas the NR, H&W follows Wolf Creek, which is generally west?(N&W side) of New River. ? This is the last BDT article to be posted until I return home this coming Thursday.] ? Gordon Hamilton -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Aug 10 10:04:25 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:04:25 +0100 Subject: Link Presentation at Barrow Hill Message-ID: UK members may be interested to know that I will be giving my presentation on 'O Winston Link and the N&W' on Thursday 20 August to The Barrow Hill Society at the Barrow Hill Roundhouse starting at 7.30pm. Admission (for non-members) is ?2. Postcode is S43 2PR. The roundhouse has a good variety of preserved steam, diesel and electric locos (but no American locos!) which can be viewed on the night. I'ts nearly a year now since I gave this presentation at Crewe VA. Time flies! Bob Gellatly Sheffield UK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Aug 10 16:00:07 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:00:07 -0400 Subject: NW 611 Silver Commemoratives Message-ID: <4A807C47.3010808@vt.edu> It MUST be some sort of medallion. Coins can be spent and can only be produced by the US Mint and have a face (spendable) value. The US Govt. takes a really dim view of any competition to their control in that area and really get serious about it, too. That said, it probably sells for $40 to $50 if it is about an ounce of silver and with silver presently somewhere in the $13-$15 range, that is my best guess. Go to any decent larger city coin show or call a coin dealer in the bigger city and you can probably get your answer but my guess is probably in the $40 range at best. 1. NW 611 Silver Commemoratives (NW Mailing List) Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:53:24 -0700 NW 611 Silver Commemoratives Hello all. Is anyone on the list familiar with a silver commemorative coin showing the 611 on one side and the N&W logo on the other? Coins are appoximately 1-1/2" diameter and said to be minted by "Silver Images" in Denver, CO., but I can't find any info on "Silver Images" online. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Even if these coins are total fakes they look really nice. Thanks in advance, > > > > Vince From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Aug 10 21:37:32 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:37:32 -0400 Subject: NW 611 Silver Commemoratives In-Reply-To: <4A807C47.3010808@vt.edu> References: <4A807C47.3010808@vt.edu> Message-ID: <4A80CB5C.5060604@verizon.net> These things have to be viewed as "art works" whose only value is based on number of items produced and how badly we as collectors want them. Tom Cosgrove NW Mailing List wrote: > It MUST be some sort of medallion. Coins can be spent and can only be > produced by the US Mint and have a face (spendable) value. The US > Govt. takes a really dim view of any competition to their control in > that area and really get serious about it, too. > > That said, it probably sells for $40 to $50 if it is about an ounce of > silver and with silver presently somewhere in the $13-$15 range, that > is my best guess. Go to any decent larger city coin show or call a > coin dealer in the bigger city and you can probably get your answer > but my guess is probably in the $40 range at best. > > > 1. NW 611 Silver Commemoratives (NW Mailing List) > Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:53:24 -0700 > NW 611 Silver Commemoratives > > > Hello all. > Is anyone on the list familiar with a silver commemorative coin > showing the 611 on one side and the N&W logo on the other? Coins are > appoximately 1-1/2" diameter and said to be minted by "Silver Images" > in Denver, CO., but I can't find any info on "Silver Images" online. > > Any info would be greatly appreciated. Even if these coins are total > fakes they look really nice. Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Vince > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > -- Tom Cosgrove N2VFK NREMT-B SKYWARN Spotter LME002 Red Cross Disaster Volunteer since 1995 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 11 01:30:19 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Steam Locomotives Message-ID: <815139.90202.qm@web84416.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Anybody know of a good reference source for identifying the various parts of a steam locomotive?? Thanks for any help one can offer! Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 11 07:15:06 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:15:06 -0400 Subject: Steam Locomotives In-Reply-To: <815139.90202.qm@web84416.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> References: <815139.90202.qm@web84416.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The C&O Historical Society carries the book "How A Steam Engine Works" by Karen Parker which may be of interest to you. Jim Moseley Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:30:19 -0700 Subject: Steam Locomotives To: NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Anybody know of a good reference source for identifying the various parts of a steam locomotive? Thanks for any help one can offer! Charlie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 11 07:23:38 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:23:38 -0400 Subject: Steam Locomotives References: <815139.90202.qm@web84416.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <387626E2471E49C6B9D530F64A921AA3@601ek604> Charlie - I just reviewed for TRAINS a book called "How the Steam Locomotive Works" published by TLC. It can probably answer most if not all of your questions. If not that, get one of the old Model Railroader Cyclopedias, probably long out of print now. EdK ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:30 AM Subject: Steam Locomotives Anybody know of a good reference source for identifying the various parts of a steam locomotive? Thanks for any help one can offer! Charlie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 11 12:40:30 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:40:30 -0700 Subject: NW 611 Silver Commemoratives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh yeah, definitely a "medallion". Just described it as a "coin" as reference to the shape. Was really just hoping some other collectors on here might have knowledge of when they were produced, or info on the entity (Silver Images) that produced them. Figured someone on this list would own one. My guess is it was maybe part of a steam locomotive series produced by one of the endless list of private companies that have come and gone. Valuation isn't a big thing. I'd have bought it even if I knew it was a clad piece. Was just hoping for more details. Thanks for the replies. Vince > Subject: Re: NW 611 Silver Commemoratives > > These things have to be viewed as "art works" whose only value is based > on number > of items produced and how badly we as collectors want them. > > Tom Cosgrove > > NW Mailing List wrote: > > It MUST be some sort of medallion. Coins can be spent and can only be > > produced by the US Mint and have a face (spendable) value. The US > > Govt. takes a really dim view of any competition to their control in > > that area and really get serious about it, too. > > > > That said, it probably sells for $40 to $50 if it is about an ounce of > > silver and with silver presently somewhere in the $13-$15 range, that > > is my best guess. Go to any decent larger city coin show or call a > > coin dealer in the bigger city and you can probably get your answer > > but my guess is probably in the $40 range at best. > > > > > > 1. NW 611 Silver Commemoratives (NW Mailing List) > > Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:53:24 -0700 > > NW 611 Silver Commemoratives > > > > > > Hello all. > > Is anyone on the list familiar with a silver commemorative coin > > showing the 611 on one side and the N&W logo on the other? Coins are > > appoximately 1-1/2" diameter and said to be minted by "Silver Images" > > in Denver, CO., but I can't find any info on "Silver Images" online. > > > > Any info would be greatly appreciated. Even if these coins are total > > fakes they look really nice. Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Vince > -- > Tom Cosgrove > N2VFK > NREMT-B > SKYWARN Spotter LME002 > Red Cross Disaster Volunteer since 1995 > ------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 11 12:27:19 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:27:19 -0400 Subject: Steam Locomotives In-Reply-To: <387626E2471E49C6B9D530F64A921AA3@601ek604> References: <815139.90202.qm@web84416.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> <387626E2471E49C6B9D530F64A921AA3@601ek604> Message-ID: Charlie: the most efficient source is a Locomotive Cyclopedia, either an original issue or one of the reproductions. Simmons and Boardman published these back in the steam days to assist people in designing, specifying or maintaining steamers. About 800-1000 pages, they had a listing of roughly 100 locomotives in the front section, roughly 600 pages of equipment advertising, injectors, head lamps, sanders, flue pipes, superheater piping and so on. In these will be cross section drawings and details about all of the components of systems and subsystems, including explanations of how they work- without the engineering/physics basis for function. Chances are your local library can get one of these for you. They were published from the late 1800's to the late 1980's. There is MoW books, books on rolling stock. Yes, the smaller, soft bound Cyclopedias are excerpts form the original big books _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:24 AM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Steam Locomotives Charlie - I just reviewed for TRAINS a book called "How the Steam Locomotive Works" published by TLC. It can probably answer most if not all of your questions. If not that, get one of the old Model Railroader Cyclopedias, probably long out of print now. EdK ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:30 AM Subject: Steam Locomotives Anybody know of a good reference source for identifying the various parts of a steam locomotive? Thanks for any help one can offer! Charlie _____ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 11 16:06:20 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Steam Locomotives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20586.38235.qm@web84407.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions! Charlie --- On Tue, 8/11/09, NW Mailing List wrote: From: NW Mailing List Subject: RE: Steam Locomotives To: "'NW Mailing List'" Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 4:27 PM Charlie:? the most efficient source is a Locomotive Cyclopedia, either an original issue or one of the reproductions.?? Simmons and Boardman published these back in the steam days to assist people in designing, specifying or maintaining steamers.? About 800-1000 pages, they had a listing of roughly 100 locomotives in the front section, roughly 600 pages of equipment advertising, injectors, head lamps, sanders, flue pipes, superheater piping and so on.? In these will be cross section drawings and details about all of the components of systems and subsystems, including explanations of how they work- without the engineering/physics basis for function.? ? Chances are your local library can get one of these for you.? They were published from the late 1800?s to the late 1980?s.? There is MoW books, books on rolling stock. ? Yes, the smaller, soft bound Cyclopedias are excerpts form the original big books ? ? From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:24 AM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Steam Locomotives ? Charlie - ? I just reviewed for TRAINS a book called "How the Steam Locomotive Works" published by TLC.? It can probably answer most if not all of your questions. ? If not that, get one of the old Model Railroader Cyclopedias, probably long out of print now. ? EdK ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:30 AM Subject: Steam Locomotives ? Anybody know of a good reference source for identifying the various parts of a steam locomotive?? Thanks for any help one can offer! Charlie ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 11 19:54:43 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:54:43 -0400 Subject: New Traffic through Jonesborough TN - Crescent Line In-Reply-To: <4A70F6CF.1050104@vt.edu> References: <4A70F6CF.1050104@vt.edu> Message-ID: <68E1A6F8951C419489C7444F56F73F74@NEWDELL> Sorry to be so slow. The Crescent Line is a named used by NS for all their hoped for improvements from about Harrisburg, PA south to either Memphis or New Orleans. Pete -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, 29 July, 2009 9:27 PM To: NW Mailing List Subject: New Traffic through Jonesborough TN - Crescent Line My son-in-law lives in Jonesborough, Tn -- but where does the Crescent Line run to and from? Is it part of old V&SW? Thanks, Dale W. Diacont > This morning July 28, about nine am an inspection train went through > Jonesborough TN headed west. The last car had a full glass pane for > observing the track as they went west. > > Chatter on the scanner was different today, more information was given to > each train, where they would be waiting, and the time of waits. Can't > recall the exact data but it was much more than any other day for the last > two years. > > This evening about 7 pm a different train than usual went west. 98 % > trailers on flat cars. And a couple of 40 foot boxes. Half of the trailers > were marked with "UPS". We have never seen a train of almost all trailers > on flat cars. > > Most of the trailers were set on cars only good for trailers. They had > slots for the wheels and a fifth wheel for holding the trailer to the car. > > Does anyone have any information as to just what is going on? > > Pete ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 11 20:43:36 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:43:36 -0400 Subject: Can Anyone Identify N&W Item Message-ID: <4A821038.6050100@vt.edu> Hi Everyone...I am new to the list and a minor collector of Roanoke and N&W items. Recently I was given a N&W "container" that I haven't been able to detrmine what its use was. It measures 16" wide, 12" long and 8" high and is made of galvanized metal. Only one side of the hinged lid lifts, opening from the side opposite the side with the N&W RY logo. I have attached several pictures and would appreciate help to identify this item. I hope it is OK for me to post this query to this list. Thanks...Sandy Childress [Moderator] See images at following: http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=50 http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=51 http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=52 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 11 20:49:14 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:49:14 -0400 Subject: Can Anyone Identify N&W Item In-Reply-To: <4A821038.6050100@vt.edu> References: <4A821038.6050100@vt.edu> Message-ID: Sandy Those are called "Dope" buckets. They were used by car men carrying oily waste to repack journal boxes on equipment. I've seen some without lids, which I think is just a case of something missing. You'd keep them covered until you were ready to use them to keep grit and dirt out of the bearings, which can score the bearing surface leading to an overheated journal or "hotbox" Best Ken Miller On Aug 11, 2009, at 8:43 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: > Hi Everyone...I am new to the list and a minor collector of Roanoke > and N&W items. Recently I was given a N&W "container" that I > haven't been able to detrmine what its use was. It measures 16" > wide, 12" long and 8" high and is made of galvanized metal. Only > one side of the hinged lid lifts, opening from the side opposite the > side with the N&W RY logo. I have attached several pictures and > would appreciate help to identify this item. > > I hope it is OK for me to post this query to this list. > > Thanks...Sandy Childress > > [Moderator] > See images at following: > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=50 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=51 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=52 > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 11 21:59:40 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:59:40 -0400 Subject: Fwd: VGN Gon in Victoria Message-ID: <20090812015941.VYD27200.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> TO ALL, THE VIRGINIAN G5A GON. NO. 90500 THAT THE ROANOKE CHAPTER DONATED TO THE VICTORIA RAILWAY PARK, IS HAPPILY SITTING IN THE "ROUNDHOUSE" AT VICTORIA. IT ARRIVED ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON. I WAS THERE TO HELP WILL HARRIS WITH THE UNLOADING. EVERYONE IS VERY HAPPY INCLUDING THE MAYOR. EDDIE MOONEYHAM From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Aug 12 08:16:37 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:16:37 -0400 Subject: N&W Item References: <4A821038.6050100@vt.edu> Message-ID: <9AE0FA0491E148EAAA764242DC21B4BC@PC308879394669> Ken...Thank you so much for information about the "dope bucket". It makes it more meaningful knowing its use. Sandy Childress ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: "NW Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: Re: Can Anyone Identify N&W Item > Sandy > > Those are called "Dope" buckets. They were used by car men carrying oily > waste to repack journal boxes on equipment. I've seen some without lids, > which I think is just a case of something missing. You'd keep them > covered until you were ready to use them to keep grit and dirt out of the > bearings, which can score the bearing surface leading to an overheated > journal or "hotbox" > > Best > Ken Miller > From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Aug 12 10:07:35 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:07:35 -0400 Subject: Fwd: VGN Gon in Victoria In-Reply-To: <20090812015941.VYD27200.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> References: <20090812015941.VYD27200.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <4A82CCA7.3010502@btsrr.com> NW Mailing List wrote: > TO ALL, THE VIRGINIAN G5A GON. NO. 90500 THAT THE ROANOKE CHAPTER > DONATED TO THE VICTORIA RAILWAY PARK, IS HAPPILY SITTING IN THE > "ROUNDHOUSE" AT VICTORIA. IT ARRIVED ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON. I WAS > THERE TO HELP WILL HARRIS WITH THE UNLOADING. EVERYONE IS VERY HAPPY > INCLUDING THE MAYOR. EDDIE MOONEYHAM Great news!!! Any photos?? Take care Bill -- ============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 304-823-3729 FAX: 304-823-2901 B.T.S. RR 1 Box 141A, Belington, WV 26250 http://www.btsrr.com We wish you Fair Winds and Following Seas. From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Aug 12 15:15:59 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:15:59 EDT Subject: Fwd: [NSInfo] Norfolk Southern Selects Greencastle Site for New Franklin Coun... Message-ID: The Hagerstown Railfans are excited about this venture. Terry Marshall ____________________________________ From: nsinfo at nscorp.com Reply-to: no-reply at nscorp.com To: nsinfo at nscorp.com Sent: 8/12/2009 12:15:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: [NSInfo] Norfolk Southern Selects Greencastle Site for New Franklin County Regional Intermodal Facility, Supporting Crescent Corridor Initiative August 12, 2009 Norfolk Southern Selects Greencastle Site for New Franklin County Regional Intermodal Facility, Supporting Crescent Corridor Initiative NORFOLK, VA. ? Norfolk Southern announced today that it will construct a new intermodal terminal in Greencastle, Pa., to serve the Mid-Atlantic region, as part of the railroad?s multi-state Crescent Corridor initiative to establish a high-speed intermodal freight rail route between the Gulf Coast and the Northeast. The $95 million facility, at which freight moving in containers and trailers will be transferred between train and truck, will occupy a 200-acre site adjacent to the planned Antrim Commons Business Park and is expected to open in late 2011. ?Because of its strategic location to key markets in the Mid-Atlantic region, the new Franklin County terminal is vital to the success of our Crescent Corridor,? said Wick Moorman, Norfolk Southern?s chief executive officer. ?We commend Gov. Ed Rendell for his efforts to provide state funding for our intermodal terminal initiatives in Greencastle and Philadelphia. We also want to thank Sens. Robert Casey and Arlen Specter, and Rep. Bill Shuster for their support of a public-private partnership with the U.S. Dept. of Transportation so that Pennsylvania will benefit from the economic development opportunities and job growth potential of integrated logistics hubs. We also want to express our gratitude to the rest of the Pennsylvania and Maryland members of Congress who are supporting the Crescent Corridor, including Roscoe Bartlett, Bob Brady, Charlie Dent, Jim Gerlach, Tim Holden, Patrick Murphy, and Todd Platts. Finally, we must recognize the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation and the Franklin County Area Development Corporation for their tremendous support in moving this project forward.? ?Rail freight is an important component of any transportation infrastructure discussion,? Governor Edward G. Rendell said. ?This facility will create good jobs, generate revenue, and help reduce highway congestion. Pennsylvania has invested heavily in rail freight because it is a smart, environmentally friendly, cost-effective infrastructure investment. I will continue to advocate for rail freight investments at the state and national level.? Norfolk Southern?s Crescent Corridor initiative is a multistate network of infrastructure improvements and other facilities intended to enhance Norfolk Southern?s 2,500-mile rail network that supports the supply chain from the Gulf Coast and Memphis to Harrisburg, Philadelphia and the New York metropolitan area and enable it to handle more freight traffic faster and more reliably. The railroad is in the process of implementing Corridor projects, including straightening curves, adding passing tracks, improving signal systems, and building new terminals. Altogether, nearly $2.5 billion in Crescent Corridor projects have been identified, and based on the public benefits that stand to be derived in the form of highway congestion relief, NS plans to implement the Crescent Corridor initiative through a series of public-private partnerships. When the Crescent Corridor initiative is fully implemented, it is anticipated that more than one million truckloads of freight will be absorbed from the highways to the rails annually, saving the U.S. more than 170 million gallons of fuel per year. When the Crescent Corridor is fully operational, annual benefits to Pennsylvania are expected to include nearly 700,000 long-haul trucks diverted to rail, almost 10 million gallons of fuel saved, carbon dioxide reduction of 110,000 tons, more than $9 million in traffic congestion savings, and avoidance of an estimated $8.5 million in accident costs. Over the next ten years 26,000 jobs in Pennsylvania are expected to be created or enhanced by the Crescent Corridor. Norfolk Southern also has improvements planned for existing intermodal terminals in Harrisburg and Philadelphia, along with $27 million in track and signal upgrades. The proposed investment in the Franklin County Regional Intermodal Facility will create the capacity to handle more than 85,000 containers and trailers annually. The terminal will utilize the latest in gate and terminal automation technology, which shortens the waiting time for trucks entering the terminal, thereby reducing exhaust emissions and improving truck driver productivity. Four intermodal trains daily will serve the terminal. Site selection was given careful and exhaustive consideration to minimize impacts on surrounding communities, roadway facilities, and the environment. A site near an existing logistics park with quick access to an interstate highway was chosen so that national and local markets would have the opportunity to benefit from the Crescent Corridor?s state-of-the-art economic development and environmental potential. Rail Intermodal traffic uses one-third of the fuel required by long-haul trucks and greatly reduces highway congestion, greenhouse gas emissions, and highway maintenance costs. The Crescent Corridor will help the environment and reduce a large burden on state budgets. Norfolk Southern Corporation (NYSE: NSC) is a leading North American transportation provider. Its Norfolk Southern Railway subsidiary operates approximately 21,000 route miles in 22 states and the District of Columbia, serves every major container port in the eastern United States, and provides efficient connections to other rail carriers. Norfolk Southern operates the most extensive intermodal network in the East and is a major transporter of coal and industrial products. Any statements contained in this news release which are not related to historical facts are forward-looking statements as that term is defined in the Private Securities Reform Act of 1995. 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To see her photo go to: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=292782 I reported to the Brethren about last Saturday's Lynchburg Rail Day where the old Virginian was remembered in many ways including slides, books, and model trains. I represented Friends of the Virginian Railway and the Roanoke Chapter NRHS at a table and was able to "meet and greet" a lot of rail fans including five who regularly read this report. One of the "Takin Twenty" readers I met was George Weber, editor of "The Rail", outstanding newsletter of the Winston-Salem Chapter NRHS. He recently followed a train from the old Southern on to the New Connection (NS former VGN) at Hurt, VA and on to Roanoke. He asked me to check with the Brethren about two questions: 1. Back in the days of the VGN and SOU, what types of loads would the VGN or SOU run between Greensboro and Roanoke? 2. Did each have trackage rights on the other? Rufus Wingfield, yardmaster at Roanoke and Raymond East, VGN engineer who grew up in nearby Altavista answered George's questions. Ruf said "that there was no sharing of trackage rights". Raymond remembered that the Southern had a diesel locomotive assigned to Hurt for transfers to the Virginian and Virginian back. Wis Sowder, VGN Clerk who worked at Altavista remembered that the SOU diesel "ran all night". They all spoke of SOU Conductor Frank Ingram who was in charge of the transfers. Frank had an accident and worked with only one arm. The Brethren remembered there were many coal hoppers (mostly empty) transferred as well as cedar chests from the Lane Factory in Altavista and Wis recalled some tank cars were transferred from SOU to VGN for Lane Furniture. Of course there were also many box cars containing various freight shipped on to Roanoke. Also passed around was an item that I got at the work day last week at the N&W (and VGN) Historical Society Archives. It is a photo of a German State Railway container car. The 3 containers were transported to and from the railroad siding by a specially constructed truck, which has a mechanical arrangement for handling them. The photo was taken in 1951! I also found some old Pullman Company drawings of Virginian passenger and club cars. The passenger car had ladies bathroom (Saloon) on one end and men's Saloon on the other. On the men's Saloon end, there was a 17' 6" smoking compartment separated from the 43' 9" coach section with swinging doors. The club car drawing showed an observation room with magazine racks and storage for 6 "camp chairs" and a 19' dining room with tables to seat 18. The kitchen had a gas range, ice box, silver drawers, garbage chute (to ???), sinks, 3 gallon hot water tank, vegetable bins under sinks, and dish racks above the refrigerator that was iced from the roof. We talked about the upcoming October 3, annual Gathering of Virginian Railway Veterans at Victoria. The Roanoke Chapter NRHS donated the #90500 former VGN G5 gondola that is now in the Rail Park in Victoria on "Roundhouse Rails" and will be "spiffed up" for the October third, 100 year celebration of the town of Victoria. I showed the Brethren a sign in the N&W (and VGN) Archive bathrooms ("saloons?"): OUR AIM IS TO KEEP THIS BATHROOM CLEAN! GENTLEMEN YOUR AIM WILL HELP. STAND CLOSER. IT'S SHORTER THAN YOU THINK! LADIES PLEASE REMAIN SEATED FOR THE ENTIRE PERFORMANCE! Really time to pull the pin on this one! Departing Now from V248, Skip Salmon ============= From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Aug 13 15:19:01 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:19:01 EDT Subject: NS in Greencastle PA Message-ID: >From the Hagerstown, MD Herald-Mail newspaper Pennsylvania Rendell, Norfolk Southern announce intermodal rail facility By KATE S. ALEXANDER August 12, 2009 _kate.alexander at herald-mail.com_ (mailto:kate.alexander at herald-mail.com) _Rendell: Budget woes hurt libraries_ (http://www.herald-mail.com/?cmd=displaystory&story_id=228586&format=html) _Rendell defends position in budget crisis_ (http://www.herald-mail.com/?cmd=displaystory&story_id=228574&format=html) GREENCASTLE, Pa. ? Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell showed his support for Norfolk Southern?s Crescent Corridor initiative Wednesday, promising that his $45 million contribution will pass in the capital budget. ?Whatever happens in the budget fight, this money will be in there and will be over the next three years,? Rendell said. Together with the governor, Norfolk Southern announced Wednesday its plans to build a $95 million intermodal rail facility in Franklin County, Pa. Spread over three years, the $45 million will help jump-start a public-private partnership between the Commonwealth, the federal government and Norfolk Southern, CEO Wick Moorman said. The Franklin County Regional Intermodal Facility joins four others in the state. Each is designed to allow transfer of freight between trains and trucks. Because of its strategic proximity to key markets, the Franklin County terminal is vital to the success of the high-speed freight route from Louisiana to New Jersey, Moorman said. More than 2,300 miles of Norfolk Southern track run through Pennsylvania, including those that border the 200-acre site the company purchased in Antrim Township. The site is now a corn field, said Jane Pittman, who, with her husband, George, owns 69 of the 200 acres being sold to Norfolk Southern. Even though she is losing her home of 40 years, Pittman said she understands the role she will play in Franklin County?s economic future. ?This is the anchor we have been waiting for,? said Gary Gembe, president of the Greencastle-Antrim Area Development Corp. ?This will have a domino effect on development at Exit 3.? Nearly 1,000 acres surrounding Exit 3 are zoned for commercial and industrial development. Norfolk Southern was drawn to the site?s proximity to the future Antrim Commons Business Park, owned by Baltimore-based Atapco, Moorman said. Yet, it was the support of neighbors and the community that sealed the deal, he said. ?(It was) that intangible factor, the business environment and community environment and the people who said ?we want this here? that we saw here in the county,? he said. Investing in Crescent Corridor is sound economic policy for the Commonwealth, Rendell said. He estimated that by 2015, the facility in Antrim Township will employ 600 Pennsylvanians. Neighbors of the intermodal facility are invited to an informational meeting Aug. 27 at 4 p.m. PennDOT will host the meeting at Green Grove Gardens on Pa. 16. (http://www.herald-mail.com/?cmd=media&media_id=39594) Kelly Hahn Johnson | Staff Photographer George and Jane Pittman, at right, look at the location of their 69-acre farm with Russ Powell of Atapco prior to a press conference held by Norfolk Southern at the Mason Dixon Auto Auction near Exit 3 on I-81. The couple are selling their farm to Norfolk Southern._Purchase this photo_ (http://herald-mail.mycapture.com/) (http://www.herald-mail.com/?cmd=media&media_id=39597) Kelly Hahn Johnson | Staff Photographer Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell talks about plans for the Franklin County Regional Intermodal Facility during a press conference Wednesday at the Mason-Dixon Auto Auction._Purchase this photo_ (http://herald-mail.mycapture.com/) (http://www.herald-mail.com/?cmd=media&media_id=39596) Kelly Hahn Johnson | Staff Photographer Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell shakes hands with Norfolk Southern CEO Wick Moorman following his remarks detailing plans for the Franklin County Regional Intermodal Facility during a press conference Wednesday at the Mason-Dixon Auto Auction._Purchase this photo_ (http://herald-mail.mycapture.com/) (http://www.herald-mail.com/?cmd=media&media_id=39595) Kelly Hahn Johnson | Staff Photographer What are now farms and fields at the Milnor Road crossing, near exit 3 on Interstate 81 in Franklin County, Pa., will become Norfolk Southern's Franklin County Regional Intermodal Facility. The rail facility will be a major access point in the Crescent Corridor, according to Norfolk Southern._Purchase this photo_ (http://herald-mail.mycapture.com/) Jennifer Fitch | Staff Writer State Sen. Richard Alloway, R-Franklin/Adams/York, and Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell addressed a crowd of 100 celebrating Norfolk Southern development coming to Antrim Township. Some footage is provided by Norfolk Southern. 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URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Aug 15 06:55:30 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 06:55:30 -0400 Subject: More on the Buchanan VA Stations Message-ID: <4A869422.20505@vt.edu> Just a little more information on the stations at Buchanan, VA. The C&O Station was lost to the "Flood of 1985". This flood was what is called a 100 year flood. The station was actually lifted from it's foundation and rotated about 90 degrees and slammed into another brick building. The N&W station, on higher ground, was spared from the ravages of the flood waters. It was taken apart in 1985 board by board to be rebuilt as part of the Virginia Explorer Park. The "kit" was loaded into three trailers and never reassembled. In the attached photos you can see the part number and spray paint lines that will help in the reassembly. You can also see trailer number one in one of the photos. Maybe someone else can give an update as to what happened to the N&W station after that. Thanks, Richard D. Shell Nace, VA [Moderator] See images at following: N&W station: http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=53 http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=54 http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=55 C&O station: http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=56 http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=57 http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=58 http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=59 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Aug 15 08:58:53 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Waynesboro Belt Line Message-ID: <2074321490.389651250341133983.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I am interested in learning more about the Waynesboro Belt Line.? Can anyone point me to any on-line sources for further information? I am particularly interested in what on-line customers were served by the Belt Line, their commodities, etc.? I am hoping to include the Belt Line as part of the design for the Waynesboro portion of my model railroad. Any and all information will be great appreciated. Jim Brewer Glenwood MD -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Aug 15 10:32:30 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:32:30 -0400 Subject: Virginian in 1910--Bluefield Message-ID: <727D5C05F59C4918A73A3B36A2C435B1@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph January 6, 1910 NO DOUBT ABOUT COMING OF VIRGINIAN ------ Big New York Financier Says Rogers Road Will Enter Bluefield in Near Future ------ LARGE COAL LAND DEALS CONSUMMATED ------ J. P. Morgan Interests Said to Have Purchased Holdings of Numerous Companies in Undeveloped Clinch Valley Territory ------ DEVELOPMENT OF SECTION IS SURPRISING TO UNINITIATED E. W. Mollahan, of Washington, director in the Fidelity Banking and Trust Company, of this city, said yesterday to a Daily Telegraph representative that he received information in New York City on Monday from a director of one of New York's largest trust companies which is closely allied with the Virginia [sic] Railway interests which enabled him to say positively that the Virginian Railway is coming to Bluefield. Mr. Mollahan had some transactions with the bank and the director, who knew that Mr. Mollahan was financially interested in the Fidelity Banking and Trust Company and Washington concerns which have real estate in this city as well as personally owning a tract of land in South Bluefield in the Fairview addition, during the conversation said that the Virginian Railway would run through Bluefield in a short time and put Bluefield on the map. Mr. Mollahan said yesterday that the information was given in a conversational way and on this account he did not care to make public the name of the director nor the name of the bank, although it is known that the conversation occurred in the offices of the Carnegie Trust Company, of New York city [sic]. Mr. Mollahan said yesterday that he could not give any information as to when the road would come but judged that the time is not far off. He could not say anything about what route would be adopted but intimated that the Virginian interests have acquired property in this section which they feel they can develop best and with greater profit with their own railroad. The Carnegie Trust Company was acquired only a few days ago by the Standard Oil interests and the change of control created quite a sensation in New York where sensations are few and far between. Whether the acquiring of banks and trust companies is a plan whereby financial assistance can be secured for the construction of the road is not known, but it is thought to have an indirect bearing on the local situation. It was also learned yesterday that several large purchases of coal lands in southwest Virginia have been successfully carried through. A man who is in a position to know said yesterday that J. P. Morgan interests have secured by purchase the Big Axe Coal and Coke Company, with 17,000 acres; the Clinch Coal and Iron Company, 6,300 acres; the Buckhorn Iron and Improvement Company with 8,300 acres, as well as 1,800 acres which were secured from H. C. Stuart. In addition to this it is claimed that W. L. Dennis, who had options on about 70,000 acres in Buchanan county, has nearly closed the deal whereby that property has been transferred to the same interests. The only deal which is said to be pending is that which has been reported from above Swords Creek and that tract only contains about 1,800 acres. It is said that the price asked for this property is considered too high. The continual activity in this section is surprising to those who have no real knowledge of the value of the coal in this section. How soon it will be developed depends greatly on how soon the $100,000,000 Panama canal bonds are sold. If these bonds are sold in New York, where preparations are being made for the handling of them by combinations of capital, it will be only a short time before those same bonds are used for the building of the Virginian Railway by the Rogers and Morgan interests together with the development of the Clinch Valley section. ------ [As usual some names and figures were blurred on the microfilm, so the best interpretation is shown.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Aug 15 23:46:32 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:46:32 -0400 Subject: More on the Buchanan VA Stations References: <4A869422.20505@vt.edu> Message-ID: <001601ca1e24$2568edd0$6500a8c0@Dad> I can add a little bit to the story of the N&W Buchanan station. Ren Heard, a local contractor who did renovation/reconstruction jobs of old and historic buildings in Roanoke, bought it from the railroad and disassembled it in the manner that Richard relates below. I believe that Ren told me that he had deposited the "kit" in a field outside of town somewhere with the understanding that Explore would buy it from him and he would reconstruct it for them at the park. I knew Ren because he renovated the building in the first block of South Jefferson Street that I moved Roanoke Rails into in 1986. Ren worked for Explore for a while when they were planning to develop a zoo of North American animals. Ren's mother bought some bison to donate or sell to Explore; Ren and his kids, dressed in colonial backwoods garb, marched with one or two of the bison in a parade in Roanoke about that time. If the station stayed on the trailers, then I would guess Ren might have stored them in his "construction yard" just west of 10th street in the first couple of blocks south of the N&W yard. The city has since rehabbed that area and I have no idea where the trailers might have gone. Ren ran into some serious legal problems in the mid-1990's and I haven't heard anything about him since. And as any of you who live in the Roanoke area know, Explore has never fulfilled any of the proposals that have been floated for it over the years and is now closed and in limbo. Sam Putney ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: "NW Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: More on the Buchanan VA Stations > Just a little more information on the stations at Buchanan, VA. > > The C&O Station was lost to the "Flood of 1985". This flood was what is > called a 100 year flood. The station was actually lifted from it's > foundation and rotated about 90 degrees and slammed into another brick > building. > > The N&W station, on higher ground, was spared from the ravages of the > flood waters. It was taken apart in 1985 board by board to be rebuilt as > part of the Virginia Explorer Park. The "kit" was loaded into three > trailers and never reassembled. In the attached photos you can see the > part number and spray paint lines that will help in the reassembly. You > can also see trailer number one in one of the photos. > > Maybe someone else can give an update as to what happened to the N&W > station after that. > > Thanks, > > Richard D. Shell > Nace, VA > > > [Moderator] > See images at following: > > N&W station: > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=53 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=54 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=55 > > C&O station: > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=56 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=57 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=58 > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=59 > > > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Aug 16 17:34:01 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:34:01 -0400 Subject: Waynesboro Belt Line In-Reply-To: <2074321490.389651250341133983.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <2074321490.389651250341133983.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CBECD067C4BF74-15E8-54DC@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com> There is this 1891 map, which shows it to some extent. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=380144076748 I think by the late steam era about all that was left was a wye at the new freight station, west of the union station. Bits of that are still visible. The C&OHS side track table prepared for the Charlottesville convention shows a 1937 version with a list of sidings and industries, reaching from that wye to the junction with the N&W north of the yard complex. Jeff Cornelius -----Original Message----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:58 am Subject: Waynesboro Belt Line I am interested in learning more about the Waynesboro Belt Line.? Can anyone point me to any on-line sources for further information? ? I am particularly interested in what on-line customers were served by the Belt Line, their commodities, etc.? ? I am hoping to include the Belt Line as part of the design for the Waynesboro portion of my model railroad. ? Any and all information will be great appreciated. ? Jim Brewer Glenwood MD________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Aug 16 20:19:19 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:19:19 -0400 Subject: info on engines Message-ID: Is there any way to find specific information on engines? I am seeking the following information on engines 1136 and 1447. What class of engine are they? When were they manufactured? Where were they manufactured? What districts/stations did they serve at? When were they taken out of service? What has happened to them now/do they still exist at a museum? Thanks for any help, Chris Neff _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. 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URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Aug 16 22:04:44 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:04:44 -0400 Subject: Virginian in 1910--Plans Message-ID: <04D9E1ADCBE745319A696E489F3027BD@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph January 7, 1910 MUCH INTEREST TAKEN IN PLANS OF VIRGINIAN ------ Maps Filed in Clerk's Office For Two Routes Through County ------ DICKENSON COUNTY COALFIELD OBJECTIVE ------ One Plan Calls for Line Along Foothills of East River Mountain and Through Bluefield and Graham to St. Clair ------ NORFOLK AND WESTERN SURVEY TO PRINCETON The Norfolk and Western has finished surveying a line to Princeton from Oakvale. About twenty-five engineers have been on the ground for some time working out a route from Oakvale to the county seat and another corps has been working out a route from Ingleside to Princeton. These plans are only in line with a route which was recorded in the clerk's office some years ago but whether the Norfolk and Western will take a route through Princeton to the Widemouth territory is not known. The men who worked on the route for about a month were silent about any plans which the railroad might have and the people of Princeton only know that the survey has been made. It was also leaned yesterday that the Virginian has filed maps in the clerk's office for two routes through Mercer county both of which are intended to reach the coal in Dickenson county, Va. One of these routes will pass through Bluefield, following the foothills of the East River mountain from Ingleside to this city and from here through Graham to a point in Virginia near St. Clair or Cedar Bluff. The Virginian has also filed a map of another line which will run from Princeton to some point on the main line where it will turn down into the Walton property at Falls Mills. From there the route is problematical, as it will go into Virginia, but it was said yesterday that the plan was to go up the hollow at Falls Mills and from there go over into Dickenson county through some route which had been planned on a geological contour map. As is known this is the same plan as was followed in the building of the Virginian. A third route for the Virginian, maps for which have been filed, is to take the road from Rock over to Pocahontas and from there up Laurel Creek and over into the Virginia coal which seems to be the objective point in all the plans of all of the roads that are coming through this section. A man who is acquainted with the records in the clerk's office said yesterday that the Norfolk and Western has a map filed for a route from Ingleside to Bluefield through South Bluefield but as the local road has its main line located on the north side of the city it is unlikely that it would build through South Bluefield. Considerable interest is being taken in the plans of the Virginian on account of the fact that the people believe that the road intends to pass through this city and it looks as if it were up to the chamber of commerce to have the road adopt a route through this city instead of through another part of the county several miles from Bluefield. ------ [I wonder if the maps referred to are still in the Clerk's office?] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: