From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Aug 17 16:20:14 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:20:14 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Misc. Message-ID: <00D4BD799DA74F328A0BEAFCAA1F6F16@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph January 9, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ New Signal System The Norfolk and Western has installed an automatic signal system at Blake and yesterday the apparatus was put in working order for the first time. The local road is equipping a number of its towers with automatic signal systems so as to reduce to a minimum all chances of accidents. ------ Depot Closed The Norfolk and Western has closed the depot at Fink, on the Clinch Valley. Fink, up to the time of the building of the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio, was the junction point between the Norfolk and Western and the Virginia and Southwestern. The junction point is now located at St. Paul, which town is but a half mile from Fink. ------ [The second article implies that the Va. & SW reached Fink 24 or so miles east of Norton, but the Va. & SW connected with the N&W at Norton through trackage rights over the L&N and, insofar as I know, had trackage rights over the N&W only to Coeburn 12 miles east of Norton and up the branch there to Toms Creek. A depot for the junction with the CC&O (not the Va. & SW ) may have been what was moved from Fink to St. Paul.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Aug 17 22:23:31 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:23:31 -0400 Subject: info on engines References: Message-ID: <0AFC37BBE2C84D6D9F6F59BF1B397749@lewisdl0ls5whv> Chris, I can answer most of your questions; all except one. ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: N&W mailing list Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: info on engines Is there any way to find specific information on engines? I am seeking the following information on engines 1136 and 1447. What class of engine are they? 1136 is a Class M2 1447 is a Z1a; later rebuilt as Z1b on 3-1929 When were they manufactured? 1136 in 10-1910 1447 in 2-1916 Where were they manufactured? 1136 by Baldwin Loco. Works at Eddystone, PA 1447 by American Loco. Co. at Schenectady, NY What districts/stations did they serve at? Don't have specific answers. Both used across the N&W system during their lives. When were they taken out of service? 1136 dismantled at Portsmouth Shops on 9-28-1951 1447 dismantled at Lamberts Point on 6-28-1957 What has happened to them now/do they still exist at a museum? Neither exist now. Bud Jeffries Thanks for any help, Chris Neff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. Try it now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 18 02:16:59 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:16:59 -0400 Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 46, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8A475B.8090905@qtm.net> Is there any way to find specific information on engines? I am seeking the following information on engines 1136 and 1447. What class of engine are they? 1136 - Baldwin built M2a 1910, later superheaters added classing it M2c. I don't have specific operations on the engine but this and its sister engines held down the mainline operations until superpower articulates came on the scene, when that happenned series of these engines were retired /scrapped however some engines retained for use. This engine retired/scrapped 9-1951, this coincides when N&W acquired 0-8-0's from the C&O, hence this engine may have seen more switching duties. N&W used the 4-8-0's for switching duties instead of buying switchers. 1447 - 2-6-6-2 class Z1a/Z1b built by Schenectady 1916, classed to Z1b 3, 1929, scrapped 6-1957. Again no details on where it ran, but could easily operated system wide. No N&W 2-6-6-2's exists today that I know of. There are 3 M2c's in Roanoke being saved which are representative of what 1136 is. 2 M2c's were sold to other railroads, I dug and found info on one and learned it was scrapped, the other is still under research, wherever whenever I can find data on it scrapped or whatever. The one engine I know about didn't perform to the railroad's needs. Hence the concept locomotives are designed for the line they run on. Data from Richard Prince's Book Norfolk and Western Railway Pocahontas Coal Carrier, a very good book I may add. May be hard to find, if anyone needs data, just ask me. -Lynn- When were they manufactured? Where were they manufactured? What districts/stations did they serve at? When were they taken out of service? What has happened to them now/do they still exist at a museum? nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org wrote: > Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to > nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: More on the Buchanan VA Stations (NW Mailing List) > 2. Re: Waynesboro Belt Line (NW Mailing List) > 3. info on engines (NW Mailing List) > 4. Re: More on the Buchanan VA Stations (NW Mailing List) > 5. Virginian in 1910--Plans (NW Mailing List) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:46:32 -0400 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: More on the Buchanan VA Stations > To: "NW Mailing List" > Message-ID: <001601ca1e24$2568edd0$6500a8c0 at Dad> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > I can add a little bit to the story of the N&W Buchanan station. Ren Heard, > a local contractor who did renovation/reconstruction jobs of old and > historic buildings in Roanoke, bought it from the railroad and disassembled > it in the manner that Richard relates below. I believe that Ren told me > that he had deposited the "kit" in a field outside of town somewhere with > the understanding that Explore would buy it from him and he would > reconstruct it for them at the park. I knew Ren because he renovated the > building in the first block of South Jefferson Street that I moved Roanoke > Rails into in 1986. Ren worked for Explore for a while when they were > planning to develop a zoo of North American animals. Ren's mother bought > some bison to donate or sell to Explore; Ren and his kids, dressed in > colonial backwoods garb, marched with one or two of the bison in a parade in > Roanoke about that time. > > If the station stayed on the trailers, then I would guess Ren might have > stored them in his "construction yard" just west of 10th street in the first > couple of blocks south of the N&W yard. The city has since rehabbed that > area and I have no idea where the trailers might have gone. Ren ran into > some serious legal problems in the mid-1990's and I haven't heard anything > about him since. > > And as any of you who live in the Roanoke area know, Explore has never > fulfilled any of the proposals that have been floated for it over the years > and is now closed and in limbo. > > Sam Putney > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NW Mailing List" > To: "NW Mailing List" > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:55 AM > Subject: More on the Buchanan VA Stations > > > >> Just a little more information on the stations at Buchanan, VA. >> >> The C&O Station was lost to the "Flood of 1985". This flood was what is >> called a 100 year flood. The station was actually lifted from it's >> foundation and rotated about 90 degrees and slammed into another brick >> building. >> >> The N&W station, on higher ground, was spared from the ravages of the >> flood waters. It was taken apart in 1985 board by board to be rebuilt as >> part of the Virginia Explorer Park. The "kit" was loaded into three >> trailers and never reassembled. In the attached photos you can see the >> part number and spray paint lines that will help in the reassembly. You >> can also see trailer number one in one of the photos. >> >> Maybe someone else can give an update as to what happened to the N&W >> station after that. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Richard D. Shell >> Nace, VA >> >> >> [Moderator] >> See images at following: >> >> N&W station: >> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=53 >> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=54 >> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=55 >> >> C&O station: >> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=56 >> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=57 >> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=58 >> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=59 >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:34:01 -0400 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: Waynesboro Belt Line > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Message-ID: <8CBECD067C4BF74-15E8-54DC at FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > There is this 1891 map, which shows it to some extent. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=380144076748 > I think by the late steam era about all that was left was a wye at the > new freight station, west of the union station. Bits of that are still > visible. The C&OHS side track table prepared for the Charlottesville > convention shows a 1937 version with a list of sidings and industries, > reaching from that wye to the junction with the N&W north of the yard > complex. > > Jeff Cornelius > > -----Original Message----- > From: NW Mailing List > To: NW Mailing List > Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:58 am > Subject: Waynesboro Belt Line > > I am interested in learning more about the Waynesboro Belt Line.? Can > anyone point me to any on-line sources for further information? > > ? > > I am particularly interested in what on-line customers were served by > the Belt Line, their commodities, etc.? > > ? > > I am hoping to include the Belt Line as part of the design for the > Waynesboro portion of my model railroad. > > ? > > Any and all information will be great appreciated. > > ? > > Jim Brewer > > Glenwood MD________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:19:19 -0400 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: info on engines > To: N&W mailing list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Is there any way to find specific information on engines? I am seeking the following information on engines 1136 and 1447. > > > > What class of engine are they? > > When were they manufactured? > > Where were they manufactured? > > What districts/stations did they serve at? > When were they taken out of service? > > What has happened to them now/do they still exist at a museum? > > > > Thanks for any help, > Chris Neff > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail? is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:17:06 EDT > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: More on the Buchanan VA Stations > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Sam, > > Thanks for the additional information. It will be interesting to know if > the station even exists now. > > Thanks, > > Richard > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:04:44 -0400 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Virginian in 1910--Plans > To: "4VGN Ry Yahoo Group" > , "3N&W Mailing List" > > Message-ID: <04D9E1ADCBE745319A696E489F3027BD at DellVostro> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Bluefield Daily Telegraph > January 7, 1910 > > MUCH INTEREST TAKEN IN PLANS OF VIRGINIAN > ------ > Maps Filed in Clerk's Office For Two Routes Through County > ------ > DICKENSON COUNTY COALFIELD OBJECTIVE > ------ > One Plan Calls for Line Along Foothills of East River Mountain and Through Bluefield and Graham to St. Clair > ------ > NORFOLK AND WESTERN SURVEY TO PRINCETON > > The Norfolk and Western has finished surveying a line to Princeton from Oakvale. About twenty-five engineers have been on the ground for some time working out a route from Oakvale to the county seat and another corps has been working out a route from Ingleside to Princeton. > These plans are only in line with a route which was recorded in the clerk's office some years ago but whether the Norfolk and Western will take a route through Princeton to the Widemouth territory is not known. The men who worked on the route for about a month were silent about any plans which the railroad might have and the people of Princeton only know that the survey has been made. > It was also leaned yesterday that the Virginian has filed maps in the clerk's office for two routes through Mercer county both of which are intended to reach the coal in Dickenson county, Va. > One of these routes will pass through Bluefield, following the foothills of the East River mountain from Ingleside to this city and from here through Graham to a point in Virginia near St. Clair or Cedar Bluff. The Virginian has also filed a map of another line which will run from Princeton to some point on the main line where it will turn down into the Walton property at Falls Mills. From there the route is problematical, as it will go into Virginia, but it was said yesterday that the plan was to go up the hollow at Falls Mills and from there go over into Dickenson county through some route which had been planned on a geological contour map. As is known this is the same plan as was followed in the building of the Virginian. > A third route for the Virginian, maps for which have been filed, is to take the road from Rock over to Pocahontas and from there up Laurel Creek and over into the Virginia coal which seems to be the objective point in all the plans of all of the roads that are coming through this section. A man who is acquainted with the records in the clerk's office said yesterday that the Norfolk and Western has a map filed for a route from Ingleside to Bluefield through South Bluefield but as the local road has its main line located on the north side of the city it is unlikely that it would build through South Bluefield. > Considerable interest is being taken in the plans of the Virginian on account of the fact that the people believe that the road intends to pass through this city and it looks as if it were up to the chamber of commerce to have the road adopt a route through this city instead of through another part of the county several miles from Bluefield. > ------ > [I wonder if the maps referred to are still in the Clerk's office?] > > Gordon Hamilton > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > End of NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 46, Issue 18 > *********************************************** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.59/2310 - Release Date: 08/17/09 18:04:00 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Aug 17 23:24:18 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lost station in Roanoke In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <79765.80233.qm@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Richard and Sam filled us in on the story of the N&W Buchanan station. Now that the "lost engines of Roanoke" have been found, maybe we have a new mystery to solve. Does anyone know if the Buchanan station building was completely empty in 1985, or did the furnishings and fixtures such as a Fairbanks pit scale go onto the trailers, too? Best wishes, Frank Scheer f_scheer at yahoo.com From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 18 01:32:07 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:32:07 -0400 Subject: Waynesboro Belt Line References: <2074321490.389651250341133983.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <8CBECD067C4BF74-15E8-54DC@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: "I think by the late steam era about all that was left was a wye at the new freight station, west of the union station." Jeff, The belt line lasted well into the eighties and maybe even nineties before it was abandoned, at least on the N&W end. Jimmy Lisle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 18 08:46:38 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:46:38 -0400 Subject: Waynesboro Belt Line In-Reply-To: References: <2074321490.389651250341133983.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><8CBECD067C4BF74-15E8-54DC@FWM-M17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBEE190FD08885-25D0-3653@WEBMAIL-DG11.sim.aol.com> When it comes to tracks, Jimmy is a far better source than me. I just looked at a couple of maps. Jeff Cornelius -----Original Message----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:32 am Subject: Re: Waynesboro Belt Line "I think by the late steam era about? all that was left was a wye at the new freight station, west of the union station." ? Jeff, ??? The belt line lasted well into the eighties and maybe even nineties before it was abandoned, at least on the N&W end. Jimmy Lisle ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 18 09:56:38 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:56:38 -0400 Subject: Amtrak excursions from Roanoke References: <20090814020635.NXLV19505.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <82936C7CCC8844D6A3D0B46D67297100@home> Hello, can you advise the fee for the tickets and the full address to send the check? Thank you. W.A.Coleman ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: Amtrak excursions from Roanoke Ladies and gentlemen: We are very pleased to announce that today Amtrak and Norfolk Southern Corporation have approved the Fall Excursions planned by the Roanoke Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society. At this time, tickets may be ordered by mail only sent to the Roanoke Chapter's P.O. box. Please note that a phone number for information or over-the-phone credit card orders is not available at this time. When a phone line is established, a revised PDF will be posted on the Chapter's website, http://www.roanokenrhs.org/excursions.html. If you need additional information now, you may email your questions to me. We expect that it will be about a week before a phone line is established. No tickets may ever be ordered by email. In any event, the information sheet points out that the two types of First Class Service (Dome Class and Lounge Class) may only be ordered by mail to the P.O. Box. These seats are very limited. Thanks for your interest in this major fund raiser for historic rail preservation, and I hope to see you on board! Walter Alexander, Membership Chairman & Electronic Billing Contact Roanoke Chapter NRHS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 18 10:14:53 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:14:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Amtrak excursions from Roanoke In-Reply-To: <82936C7CCC8844D6A3D0B46D67297100@home> References: <20090814020635.NXLV19505.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <82936C7CCC8844D6A3D0B46D67297100@home> Message-ID: <131219.73277.qm@web87009.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Full details are at http://www.roanokenrhs.org/Fall_09_Flyer.pdf via the URL posted earlier. Dominic Pinto http://www.ecademy.com/user/dominicpinto http://www.linkedin.com/in/dominicpinto e-m: dominic.pinto at ieee.org Skype: zorrodp M: +44 780 302-8268 Ph: +44 207 379-8341 In the U.S. M/Cell: +1 215 667-3001 ________________________________ From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009 2:56:38 PM Subject: Re: Amtrak excursions from Roanoke Hello, can you advise the fee for the tickets and the full address to send the check? Thank you. W.A.Coleman > >At this time, tickets may be ordered by mail > only sent to the Roanoke Chapter?s P.O. box. > >Please note that a > phone number for information or over-the-phone credit card orders is not > available at this time. When a phone line is established, a revised PDF > will be posted on the Chapter?s website, http://www.roanokenrhs.org/excursions.html. If you > need additional information now, you may > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Aug 18 15:36:19 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:36:19 -0400 Subject: Virginian in 1910--More rumors Message-ID: <16F727E34DC14BE49E25FF976F440549@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph January 11, 1910 WILL PUT JENNY'S GAP TROUBLE IN SHADE ------ Row Brewing Between Norfolk and Western and Virginian--Latter May Not Come to Bluefield A prominent Tazewell county man, who also is connected with one of the largest coal companies in West Virginia, said last night that he does not believe that the Virginian Railway will strike Bluefield. This gentleman, who really is in touch with everything of importance which happens in this section of the Virginias on account of his business connections, added that he does not think the Virginian will come within two and one-half miles of either Graham or Bluefield. The nearest points according to his belief, will be Brush Fork and Falls Mills. The route which he believes will be followed is down through Brushy Fork into Falls Mills, through the Walton property, and from there up Mud Fork across to the head of Horsepen and down Horsepen to Beech Creek up the left fork of Indian. At a point on Indian Creek it will have to tunnel through a mountain of coal similar to the Coaldale tunnel and from the tunnel will get to Dismal Creek where the Marshall Righter property, controlled by George W. St. Clair, will be reached. It will then go through the property of the Clinch Valley Coal and Iron Company into the Buckhorn Coal property, recently purchased by Huntington capitalists. From this property it will go on to the Levisa fork of the Big Sandy, opening one of the greatest undeveloped coal fields in the United States. Another probable route, which is perhaps more trouble, would go up Slab Fork, down Wright's valley into Baptist valley, following Stony Ridge to Mud Lick, up Mud Lick along the line of the new tram road being built by the C. L. Ritter Lumber company to Whitewood and from there on to Dismal and into the Buchanan coal fields through the Marshall Righter property and as is routed above, in the first story. If the Virginian is to come to Bluefield it will be pretty nearly necessary for the chamber of commerce to give credentials to some member or committee and have that member or committee see the Virginian officials and get together. Unless all signs are wrong, and the lineups of the directors of the Virginian and the Norfolk and Western are different from what has been thought, there is liable to be a run on between the Virginian and the Norfolk and Western which will put the Jenny Gap tunnel trouble into the shade. The Dry Fork extension seems to be the main opposition at this time, but it was reported here last night that the Norfolk and Western will not build the extension, as it has not been able to secure the rights-of-way wanted. The opening up of a new operation by the Pocahontas Consolidated Collieries Company may have something to do with this change of plan, if the plan has been changed. Norfolk and Western officials claim to know nothing of the plans of the company, although the first information which the Daily Telegraph printed concerning the Dry Fork extension as well as the Tug Fork extension came from an official of the road. ------ [Get your topo maps out and try to follow the description of the routes. Good luck! As usual, the microfilm was blurred in places so the best intrepretation of names is shown.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Aug 19 04:57:15 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Park Street Office fire in 1934 Message-ID: <117746.88385.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Park St. Office was destroyed by fire March 1st, 1934. Shenandoah Division dispatchers were located at that location prior to the fire. Was this the reason why they were moved to the location where the VMT is now? Details about the fire will be helpful. Also, I don't have an early Shenandoah Division employee timetable.? Does anyone know where Lewis was? Best wishes, Frank Scheer f_scheer at yahoo.com From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Aug 19 07:35:50 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:35:50 -0400 Subject: Park Street Office fire in 1934 References: <117746.88385.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1B770266991349648CB67019782945BE@Jimmy> "Does anyone know where Lewis was?" Frank, What is now called Lynnwood. Jimmy Lisle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Aug 19 09:29:53 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:29:53 -0400 Subject: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. In-Reply-To: <1B770266991349648CB67019782945BE@Jimmy> References: <117746.88385.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1B770266991349648CB67019782945BE@Jimmy> Message-ID: <8CBEEE844CAFDBC-156C-2A9A@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> Forty years ago, Hurricane Camille began saturating Virginia.? A Shenandoah Div. crew near Midvale encountered water over the track and stopped.? The South River was rising.??When contacting the rear end crew to back to higher ground, they advised that water had also risen above the tracks. The crew was rescued by helicopter.? At 2:30 AM (20th), the Maury?River rose above the N&W tracks and flooded downtown Glasgow.? Nearby Nelson County received 27" of rain in about 3 hours. Nelson County received more rain, but Rockingham County had more flood damage.? Southern Railway's No. 47?facing strong rains stopped south of Charlottesville.? A good thing -? the double tracked Tye River bridge had been washed away.? Photos in local papers the 21st showed four strands of rail stretching across the Tye River valley without support. Wonder if Southern's signals displayed CLEAR. Following the flood, N&W helicoptered Asst. Gen. Manager Bill Dod and N&W's bridge "magician" - Henry Dearing, to survey the damage.?The helicopter flew 20 stranded victims to safety.? In all, N&W's Shenandoah Division was flood-damaged in nine different places, including the double track bridge north of Pkin.? By August 29, N&W had made sufficient repairs to begin service.? Nos. 17-18-,41 and 42 were rerouted up the Shenandoah Div. to Waynesboro, then to Charlottesville. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? Harry Bundy?? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Aug 19 16:43:40 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:43:40 -0400 Subject: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. In-Reply-To: <8CBEEE844CAFDBC-156C-2A9A@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> References: <117746.88385.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1B770266991349648CB67019782945BE@Jimmy> <8CBEEE844CAFDBC-156C-2A9A@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A8C63FC.3090301@gmail.com> Rockbridge County, Rockingham is North of Augusta county, Rockbridge is to the south where Pkin, Vesuvius, and Midvale are. Nathan NW Mailing List wrote: > > > > Forty years ago, Hurricane Camille began saturating Virginia. A > Shenandoah > Div. crew near Midvale encountered water over the track and stopped. The > South River was rising. When contacting the rear end crew to back to > higher ground, they advised that water had also risen above the tracks. > The crew was rescued by helicopter. > > At 2:30 AM (20th), the Maury River rose above the N&W tracks and flooded > downtown Glasgow. Nearby Nelson County received 27" of rain in about > 3 hours. Nelson County received more rain, but Rockingham County had > more flood damage. Southern Railway's No. 47 facing strong rains stopped > south of Charlottesville. A good thing - the double tracked Tye > River bridge > had been washed away. Photos in local papers the 21st showed four > strands of rail stretching across the Tye River valley without support. > Wonder if Southern's signals displayed CLEAR. > > Following the flood, N&W helicoptered Asst. Gen. Manager Bill Dod and > N&W's bridge "magician" - Henry Dearing, to survey the damage. The > helicopter flew 20 stranded victims to safety. > > In all, N&W's Shenandoah Division was flood-damaged in nine different > places, > including the double track bridge north of Pkin. By August 29, N&W had > made sufficient repairs to begin service. Nos. 17-18-,41 and 42 were > rerouted > up the Shenandoah Div. to Waynesboro, then to Charlottesville. > Harry Bundy > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -- Nathan Simmons trainman51 at gmail.com http://www.t-51.org KI4MSK From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Aug 19 19:22:03 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:22:03 EDT Subject: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. Message-ID: I have heard from the Southern guys that the signals did read clear. Richard D. Shell Troutville, VA In a message dated 8/19/2009 11:45:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes: Forty years ago, Hurricane Camille began saturating Virginia. A Shenandoah Div. crew near Midvale encountered water over the track and stopped. The South River was rising. When contacting the rear end crew to back to higher ground, they advised that water had also risen above the tracks. The crew was rescued by helicopter. At 2:30 AM (20th), the Maury River rose above the N&W tracks and flooded downtown Glasgow. Nearby Nelson County received 27" of rain in about 3 hours. Nelson County received more rain, but Rockingham County had more flood damage. Southern Railway's No. 47 facing strong rains stopped south of Charlottesville. A good thing - the double tracked Tye River bridge had been washed away. Photos in local papers the 21st showed four strands of rail stretching across the Tye River valley without support. Wonder if Southern's signals displayed CLEAR. Following the flood, N&W helicoptered Asst. Gen. Manager Bill Dod and N&W's bridge "magician" - Henry Dearing, to survey the damage. The helicopter flew 20 stranded victims to safety. In all, N&W's Shenandoah Division was flood-damaged in nine different places, including the double track bridge north of Pkin. By August 29, N&W had made sufficient repairs to begin service. Nos. 17-18-,41 and 42 were rerouted up the Shenandoah Div. to Waynesboro, then to Charlottesville. Harry Bundy ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Aug 19 21:48:03 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:48:03 -0400 Subject: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. References: Message-ID: " I have heard from the Southern guys that the signals did read clear. Richard D. Shell Troutville, VA" Richard, I heard the same thing. Jimmy Lisle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Aug 19 21:47:03 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:47:03 -0400 Subject: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. References: Message-ID: <56C7DF8ED80842AF8BE1A1581DF7A6B4@Jimmy> "A Shenandoah Div. crew near Midvale encountered water over the track and stopped. The South River was rising." Track patrolman Raymond Wells pulled up behind the cab of that train. He then abandoned his motercar, getting on the caboose just before the motorcar was washed away in the flood. Jimmy Lisle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Aug 19 22:42:57 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:42:57 EDT Subject: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. Message-ID: The story I heard years ago was that a Southbound engineer had a "gut feeling" as he approached Tye River and stopped even tho the signals were green. When they walked up to the bridge the only thing there was ribbon rail. One of those things that make you say "hmmmmmm" Richard In a message dated 8/19/2009 9:54:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes: " I have heard from the Southern guys that the signals did read clear. Richard D. Shell Troutville, VA" Richard, I heard the same thing. Jimmy Lisle ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Aug 19 22:28:36 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:28:36 -0400 Subject: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. References: <117746.88385.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1B770266991349648CB67019782945BE@Jimmy> <8CBEEE844CAFDBC-156C-2A9A@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7BDAD4F0E31D426FB630A0002DDEB066@DellVostro> Harry, Even though you state that freight service on the Shenandoah Division resumed on August 29, 1969, some nine days after hurricane Camille, it's my recollection that the detour of Southern passenger trains did not begin until September 5, possibly because of the backlog of freight traffic, including Southern freight trains detoured around the washed-out Tye River bridge. At any rate, when we heard that Southern passenger trains would be detoured over the Shenandoah Division, Roanoke to Riverton, Bruce Sterzing (later president of the D&H RR) and I decided to take advantage of the endorsement on our N&W passes reading, "Good on engines and freight trains," by riding the engine cab on what I recall was the first of the Southern passengers trains on the detour, train No. 18, engines 4188, 4144, 6132 of September 5. Also, in the cab was a Southern road foreman of engines and N&W Safety Department representative, the late John Rehor who wrote the impressive book, "The Nickel Plate Story." I had my camera along and took about fifty pictures from the cab, mostly of the flood damage along the way. This flood in this land of steep mountains and ridges was quite different from the typical mid-west floods where the water spreads out over relatively flat plains and the worse current is largely along the ordinary channel. With Camille in Virginia the unprecedented deluge ran off the steep slopes in torrents to the valley floor where the torrents combined into very swift and powerful currents that scoured the complete width of the valley in some cases. I wish I could show some of the pictures that I took of such devastation, such as the foundation of house where seven occupants died (Camille resulted in 152 died or missing in Virginia), but I only had time to scan and attach four low-resolution images from the slides showing some railroad damage. Slide 164-18 shows the south end of the restored passing siding at Loch Laird with a work train on the C&O connection to Lexington in the left distance (the C&O had trackage over the N&W Glasgow -- Loch Laird. With names like these there must have been a lot of Scots settlers in this area.). Slide 174-21 shows fill repair along South River north of Buena Vista. I heard that the N&W paid $22,000 for a $6,000 farm in order to have a source of fill dirt for repairs somewhere. Slide 165-14 shows damaged rip rap and signal case south of Midvale. Slide 165-21 shows some of the derailed cars of the train trapped in the floor north of Midvale as Harry related. The Southern road foreman invited Bruce and me to ride over the Southern from Riverton to Manassas with him, but fate was to deny this. We were stopped north (compass) of Stanley by a red signal. Walking forward (the Southern engine did not have an N&W radio) we found that a "double-barrel" coal train, i.e., one with a pusher, had buckled the 100th car and the emergency stop jackknifed the 37th, 38th and 39th cars. Using a wayside telephone, our crew got instructions to return to Waynesboro so the detoured train could further detour over the C&O. We backed up to Stanley siding where the engines ran around to the south end of the train for the trip back south. The controls were switched to the opposite end of the engine consist, and we all climbed into that cab. We picked up speed and a little later the N&W engineer called out excitedly, "I don't have any brakes! We're starting down the mountain and I don't have any brakes." Sure enough he had placed the 24RL automatic brake valve in full service position but the train was picking up speed on the four mile, one-percent-plus grade. At that point the Southern road foreman reached over and threw the handle into emergency position (the "big hole"), and the train came to a stop. Inspection revealed that the automatic brake valve on that end of the consist was defective, so the Southern road foreman took over from the N&W engineer, explaining that he was familiar with applying the brakes by cautiously nudging the brake valve handle over the hump between full service and emergency until the "big hole" would bleed off just enough air to apply the brakes without going into emergency. That's how we got back into Shenandoah where Bruce and I got off to catch a freight train back to Roanoke. We wondered how late the passengers were getting to Washington after having to detour off the detour. Harry, thanks for awaking some old memories. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. Forty years ago, Hurricane Camille began saturating Virginia. A Shenandoah Div. crew near Midvale encountered water over the track and stopped. The South River was rising. When contacting the rear end crew to back to higher ground, they advised that water had also risen above the tracks. The crew was rescued by helicopter. At 2:30 AM (20th), the Maury River rose above the N&W tracks and flooded downtown Glasgow. Nearby Nelson County received 27" of rain in about 3 hours. Nelson County received more rain, but Rockingham County had more flood damage. Southern Railway's No. 47 facing strong rains stopped south of Charlottesville. A good thing - the double tracked Tye River bridge had been washed away. Photos in local papers the 21st showed four strands of rail stretching across the Tye River valley without support. Wonder if Southern's signals displayed CLEAR. Following the flood, N&W helicoptered Asst. Gen. Manager Bill Dod and N&W's bridge "magician" - Henry Dearing, to survey the damage. The helicopter flew 20 stranded victims to safety. In all, N&W's Shenandoah Division was flood-damaged in nine different places, including the double track bridge north of Pkin. By August 29, N&W had made sufficient repairs to begin service. Nos. 17-18-,41 and 42 were rerouted up the Shenandoah Div. to Waynesboro, then to Charlottesville. Harry Bundy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.60/2311 - Release Date: 08/18/09 06:03:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 165-21.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 27101 bytes Desc: not available Url : -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Could this be related to where Harold Carter was held at gunpoint until the landowner received his payment for land, hence the name "Carter's Rock"? Jimmy Lisle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Aug 20 09:16:36 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:16:36 -0400 Subject: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. In-Reply-To: References: <117746.88385.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1B770266991349648CB67019782945BE@Jimmy><8CBEEE844CAFDBC-156C-2A9A@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com><7BDAD4F0E31D426FB630A0002DDEB066@DellVostro> Message-ID: <8CBEFAF94B00E2C-A74-37F9@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> En route to Lynchburg on the Southern Crescent,? the trainman told me he'd been on No. 47 the night of August 19.? He said the rain was coming down so hard, it was conforming to the fluted sides of the sleeping cars and looking from the rear of the train, the rain was coming off in streams.. Some time later, he was on?the northbound Crescent that derailed on a curve north of Shipman account overspeed.? He survived the derailment, but afterward, he had a heart attack and died on site. ????????????????????????????????????????? Harry Bundy? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Aug 20 09:41:38 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:41:38 -0400 Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren Message-ID: <4A8D5292.5060703@vt.edu> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin Twenty" with seven of the Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. We signed a Happy Birthday card for Virginian Brakeman and Conductor Frank Breedlove who is turning 76 this Sunday. Frank is now a "gentleman farmer" and can be seen at local livestock events, auctions and land sales in his pick up truck looking quite "tame" until it's time to bid... The big news of the night is the upcoming "kick off" for the Renovation of the Virginian Station in Roanoke. On September 11 at 11AM, State Senator John Edwards will be the keynote speaker for the presentation of a flag and flag pole by the Woodmen of the World Insurance Society at the Station. This dedication is to remember those who died at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and in Shanksville,PA 9-11-01. We have invited all the political leaders, police, fire, and rescue departments in the area, as well as all of the Virginian Brethren to attend. If you are in the area, please come early because parking is limited. Also I handed out the fliers for the upcoming Roanoke Chapter NRHS November 7 and 8 Bluefield and Shenandoah Excursions. Tickets will go quickly, especially for the dome and first class cars, so if you want to ride with us, go to where you can download the flyer and order your tickets. Also you can call 540 774 0611 to get information or place your order. The ebay report this week includes the following: "The Virginian Era" by Lloyd Lewis for $20.00; 1928 VGN Pass $23.50; Original Virginian negatives or slides: E3a #109 $34.00, USE #741 $76.00, MCA #484 $29.07, MC #468 $37.99, MB #459 $23.07, MD #442 $33.47, MB #421 $19.50, AG #906 $28.52, AG #902 $31.00. SB #253 $27.00, SB #246 $35.04 and SA #2 $21.58. Those negatives and slides are worth more and more as time goes by... Landon Gregory is away in Minnesota attending the National Convention of the NRHS and I am sure he is representing the Brethren and the VGN RWY in this endeavor. I showed the Brethren a Dave Schauer photo from "railpictures" of a Convention train en route from Duluth to Grand Rapids that Landon and his wife Sandra were probably riding. To see this great photo go to: http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=2939708 I told the Brethren about the recent passing of Ron Mattox's mother Ruth. Ron has the outstanding VGN Museum in Victoria. The videos shown last night included an NS MW Virginia Division craneman loading scrap rail and other metal items into a gon at the Salem Connection, site of the Virginian Railway Station in Salem. This video reminded me of a "Home Improvement" episode where "Tim the Tool Man" was handling a metal beam with a crane and dropped it on his wife's Chevy Nomad. This craneman was obviously new on the job and he also parked his car really close to the loading with some "breath taking" close calls... Shown was a west bound hopper train at the Yateman Bridge between Wabun and Kumis with shots of the crossover bridge and all three trestles "up close and personal". My #2 grandson Ryan and I took these videos this week as well as an eastbound at V255 at the entrance into Koppers Tie Plant. Rufus Wingfield and Wis Sowder were amused reading Gordon Hamilton's posting from the "Bluefield Daily Telegraph" of January 6, 1910 stating "No Doubt About Coming of Virginian" (to Bluefield). William "Scotty" Scott, our yard engineer is an avid golfer. At a recent outing, a friend in Scotty's foursome told us that he heard on the loud speaker "Would the man on the woman's tee kindly back up to the men's tee". After the second announcement, Scotty was heard yelling back to the loudspeaker "Would the idiot with the microphone kindly keep quiet and let me play my second shot!" Time to pull the pin on this one! Departing Now from V248, Skip Salmon ============= From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Aug 20 10:55:06 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:55:06 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Norton Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph January 14, 1910 NORTON NEWS NOTES The construction of new lines of railway in the Clinch Valley and Pocahontas field is the topic of much interest to everybody. The race into Dickinson and Buchanan counties between the Virginian and the Norfolk and Western will be watched closely. The Southern, now as far as Norton, has an eye on the rich coal deposits over in Wise backwoods. The Daily Telegraph is looked to for interesting news in this direction. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Aug 20 11:17:07 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:17:07 -0400 Subject: info on M2 engines Message-ID: <4A8D68F3.40003@vt.edu> The 61 M2 numbers for the various subclasses as built are: M2 1100-49 M2a 1150-52 M2b 1153&54 M2c 1155-60 Ed covers very well the reclassification of these engines, but clarification is needed about the application of stokers. The 1136 was the first locomotive on the N&W to get a stoker which was in 1911, but was after the 1136 was built. All of the other remaining sixty M2's got stokers applied in 1915-19; none had them when built. This information about the stokers was given in my revised book which was a change from my original version. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:23 PM Subject: Re: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 46, Issue 18 M-2s were not reclassed when superheaters were installed. They remained in class M-2. The eleven Roanoke-built Ms were in three classes - M-2a, M-2b and M-2c. All differed from the M-2s in having Baker instead of Walschaert valve gear. IIRC, the M-2as had stokers, the M-2bs had Hobart-Alfree cylinders and stokers, and the M-2cs had superheaters and stokers. In time, the M-2as got superheaters and were reclassed M-2c. The M-2bs got conventional cylinders and superheaters and were reclassed M-2c. Bud Jeffries has better information about these mods than I do, and can probably even give the individual engine numbers. EdK From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Aug 20 15:12:27 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:12:27 -0400 Subject: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. In-Reply-To: <8CBEFAF94B00E2C-A74-37F9@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> References: <117746.88385.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1B770266991349648CB67019782945BE@Jimmy> <8CBEEE844CAFDBC-156C-2A9A@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <7BDAD4F0E31D426FB630A0002DDEB066@DellVostro> <8CBEFAF94B00E2C-A74-37F9@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20090820191229.MHKU19505.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> The name of the Trainman was Andrew Jackson and he lived in Alexandria, I knew him well and I talked to his younger brother on the phone two weeks ago. HB Lyon >En route to Lynchburg on the Southern Crescent, the trainman told >me he'd been on No. 47 the night of August 19. He said the rain >was coming down so hard, it was conforming to the fluted sides >of the sleeping cars and looking from the rear of the train, the rain >was coming off in streams.. > >Some time later, he was on the northbound Crescent that derailed >on a curve north of Shipman account overspeed. He survived the >derailment, but afterward, he had a heart attack and died on site. > Harry Bundy >________________________________________ >NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >To change your subscription go to >http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Aug 20 15:02:22 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:02:22 -0400 Subject: Anecdotal info on Damascus Depot Message-ID: <1F1145FA-347A-4F6A-BEE8-AD85F4EDB96A@oscalemag.com> Friends, I have had someone make a drawing of the depot at Damascus based on some actual data about the width and length and then scaling the rest from the few photos that have been published. I think it looks pretty good. My question is this: were there freight doors on the back side of the depot? Several photos by O. Winston Link show a siding that runs off to the rear of the depot. Would that indicate freight doors back there? If anyone remembers this detail or any other details I would appreciate hearing from you. Regards Joe Giannovario Publisher O Scale Trains Magazine From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Aug 20 21:48:43 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:48:43 -0400 Subject: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. References: <117746.88385.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com><1B770266991349648CB67019782945BE@Jimmy><8CBEEE844CAFDBC-156C-2A9A@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com><7BDAD4F0E31D426FB630A0002DDEB066@DellVostro> <8CBEFAF94B00E2C-A74-37F9@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006701ca2201$840963c0$6500a8c0@Dad> I and my brother-in-law were caught in the storm driving from Scottsville on the James River to Rockfish Gap (Afton Mountain) on our way to pick up some freight at the Smith trucking terminal in Verona. I have never been so frightened in my life. Remember--no one predicted this or even knew it was coming. We thought it was just a bad line of thunderstorms. I have never before or since seen rain falling so hard that there was 4-6" of water in the roadway at the crest of hills! Kudzu was sloughing off the banks in huge rafts. When we crested Afton Mountain the view was eerie. The air being pushed up the mountain from the valley side was perfectly clear with a ceiling several thousand feet up. At the mountain crest the water vapor condensed out to form a wall of white that filled the sky to the east with crazy roiling shapes. It was like something you see now in special effects in movies about world-ending natural disasters. Of course, the world did end for several hundred people that night in Virginia. We did make it to Verona and back across the mountain to Charlottesville. After we got into Charlottesville the state police closed every road leading out of the city and we had to spend the night at the Monticello Hotel. The next morning we were able to get out of town, but every time we turned south to try to cross the James River roads were blocked by flooding creeks. Finally, we made a mad dash for Richmond and managed to beat the floodwaters before all the bridges in Richmond were closed and then drove back west to Farmville. I don't think Farmville had gotten a drop of rain! I know there is no railroad-related info here, but just had to tell what it was like to be in the middle of this monster. For those who think that the superlatives that are bandied about concerning this storm are just tall tales (most rain in three hours in world history, for example), I can assure you that they are not. Thanks, Sam Putney ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. En route to Lynchburg on the Southern Crescent, the trainman told me he'd been on No. 47 the night of August 19. He said the rain was coming down so hard, it was conforming to the fluted sides of the sleeping cars and looking from the rear of the train, the rain was coming off in streams.. Some time later, he was on the northbound Crescent that derailed on a curve north of Shipman account overspeed. He survived the derailment, but afterward, he had a heart attack and died on site. Harry Bundy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is figured that other incidentals will swell the amount to near the $200,000 mark and it is gratifying to know that the largest bulk of this money will be put into circulation in this immediate section, where most of the employes engaged in the work reside. Quite a number of Norfolk and Western bridge men live at Graham and they will get their share of the big roll of chink that the railroad company is turning loose in this improvement to their bridges on the Pocahontas division. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Aug 21 15:46:39 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:46:39 -0400 Subject: Anecdotal info on Damascus Depot (NW Mailing List) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301ca2298$1a0885e0$6601a8c0@DL1> I am not familiar with the station at Damascus, but if it was built on a plan common to many small stations, it did have freight doors on the backside. My grandfather was the agent at Rice, Va. For 42 years. That station did have freight doors on the side away from the track. Bill Mason -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:00 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 46, Issue 24 Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org You can reach the person managing the list at nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. (NW Mailing List) 2. Anecdotal info on Damascus Depot (NW Mailing List) 3. Re: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. (NW Mailing List) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:12:27 -0400 From: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. To: NW Mailing List Message-ID: <20090820191229.MHKU19505.eastrmmtao107.cox.net at eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The name of the Trainman was Andrew Jackson and he lived in Alexandria, I knew him well and I talked to his younger brother on the phone two weeks ago. HB Lyon >En route to Lynchburg on the Southern Crescent, the trainman told me >he'd been on No. 47 the night of August 19. He said the rain was >coming down so hard, it was conforming to the fluted sides of the >sleeping cars and looking from the rear of the train, the rain was >coming off in streams.. > >Some time later, he was on the northbound Crescent that derailed on a >curve north of Shipman account overspeed. He survived the derailment, >but afterward, he had a heart attack and died on site. > Harry Bundy >________________________________________ >NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >To change your subscription go to >http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:02:22 -0400 From: NW Mailing List Subject: Anecdotal info on Damascus Depot To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Message-ID: <1F1145FA-347A-4F6A-BEE8-AD85F4EDB96A at oscalemag.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Friends, I have had someone make a drawing of the depot at Damascus based on some actual data about the width and length and then scaling the rest from the few photos that have been published. I think it looks pretty good. My question is this: were there freight doors on the back side of the depot? Several photos by O. Winston Link show a siding that runs off to the rear of the depot. Would that indicate freight doors back there? If anyone remembers this detail or any other details I would appreciate hearing from you. Regards Joe Giannovario Publisher O Scale Trains Magazine ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:48:43 -0400 From: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. To: "NW Mailing List" Message-ID: <006701ca2201$840963c0$6500a8c0 at Dad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I and my brother-in-law were caught in the storm driving from Scottsville on the James River to Rockfish Gap (Afton Mountain) on our way to pick up some freight at the Smith trucking terminal in Verona. I have never been so frightened in my life. Remember--no one predicted this or even knew it was coming. We thought it was just a bad line of thunderstorms. I have never before or since seen rain falling so hard that there was 4-6" of water in the roadway at the crest of hills! Kudzu was sloughing off the banks in huge rafts. When we crested Afton Mountain the view was eerie. The air being pushed up the mountain from the valley side was perfectly clear with a ceiling several thousand feet up. At the mountain crest the water vapor condensed out to form a wall of white that filled the sky to the east with crazy roiling shapes. It was like something you see now in special effects in movies about world-ending natural disasters. Of course, the world did end for several hun dred people that night in Virginia. We did make it to Verona and back across the mountain to Charlottesville. After we got into Charlottesville the state police closed every road leading out of the city and we had to spend the night at the Monticello Hotel. The next morning we were able to get out of town, but every time we turned south to try to cross the James River roads were blocked by flooding creeks. Finally, we made a mad dash for Richmond and managed to beat the floodwaters before all the bridges in Richmond were closed and then drove back west to Farmville. I don't think Farmville had gotten a drop of rain! I know there is no railroad-related info here, but just had to tell what it was like to be in the middle of this monster. For those who think that the superlatives that are bandied about concerning this storm are just tall tales (most rain in three hours in world history, for example), I can assure you that they are not. Thanks, Sam Putney ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. En route to Lynchburg on the Southern Crescent, the trainman told me he'd been on No. 47 the night of August 19. He said the rain was coming down so hard, it was conforming to the fluted sides of the sleeping cars and looking from the rear of the train, the rain was coming off in streams.. Some time later, he was on the northbound Crescent that derailed on a curve north of Shipman account overspeed. He survived the derailment, but afterward, he had a heart attack and died on site. Harry Bundy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Roanoke Chapter will also receive one the Chesapeake and Western Baldwin diesels in exchange for cosmetically restoring the other C&W Baldwin diesel for VMT. Photos of the unloading at VMT are on the NWHS web site at http://www.nwhs.org/qna/nw1151move.html Ron Davis From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Aug 21 23:21:34 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:21:34 -0400 Subject: Surviving NW Steam Message-ID: <20090822032139.MNMQ19495.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> List of surviving N&W steam locomotives is on the web at http://www.nwhs.org/qna/SurvivingNWSteam.html Ron Davis From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Aug 21 23:30:59 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:30:59 -0400 Subject: NRHS Roanoke Chapter excursion Message-ID: <20090822033104.MJF913.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Information on the NRHS Roanoke Chapter rail excursions from Roanoke to Bluefield and Shenandoah are on their web site at http://www.roanokenrhs.org/excursions.html Coach tickets may be purchased through the NWHS web site at http://www.nwhs.org/commissary/excursion.html From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Aug 22 10:17:00 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:17:00 -0400 Subject: Virginian in 1910--Bluefield Message-ID: <9CC49D20740D4B72B6FD3E128931C624@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph January 16, 1910 SEES NOTHING HERE THE VIRGINIAN WANTS ------ General Manager of Rogers' Road Thus Answers Question of Whether it will Come to Bluefield "I see nothing at Bluefield, that the Virginian wants; do you?" This is the answer given by Raymond Dupuy, general manager of the Virginian Railway, to a question about the Virginian entering Bluefield. Whether or not the Virginian will enter the city seems to be unanswered as yet. Bluefield wants the Virginian and the question now is does the Virginian want to come to Bluefield? The Virginian official, it will be noticed, does not give a direct answer to the question but evades it in a manner which leaves a very reasonable doubt in the minds of those who have watched the methods of the company in the building of the Virginian. For years it will be remembered it was not even known who was building the road which went through two states and was practically finished before it was officially known that H. H. Rogers was the man behind the gun. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Roanoke Chapter will also receive one the Chesapeake and Western Baldwin diesels in exchange for cosmetically restoring the other C&W Baldwin diesel for VMT. Photos of the unloading at VMT are on the NWHS web site at http://www.nwhs.org/qna/nw1151move.html> Ron Davis _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Aug 22 20:08:27 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:08:27 EDT Subject: Lost Locomotives -- THANKS for your Fine Photos!! Message-ID: Ron, I also wanted to thank you for the photos. I wanted to respond last night but I was completely worn our from a tough week at work. I just couldn't get my fingers to type anymore! They are terrific. Thanks, Richard D. Shell Troutville, VA In a message dated 8/22/2009 4:14:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes: Ron, THANKS A LOT for These Excellent Photos of the moving o N&W M Class No. 1151 yesterday! BEST, Lloyd Lewis of WV. Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:16:02 To: _nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org_ (mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org) Subject: Lost Locomotives From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org The first of the Lost Locomotives of Roanoke was moved today. NW1151 was moved from the Virginia Scrap and Iron yard to the Virginia Museum of Transportation. In another new development, the NW1118 will now be passed to the NRHS Roanoke Chapter in exchange for their 0-6-0 tank engine stored in the main NS Roanoke Yard. The Roanoke Chapter will also receive one the Chesapeake and Western Baldwin diesels in exchange for cosmetically restoring the other C&W Baldwin diesel for VMT. Photos of the unloading at VMT are on the NWHS web site at _http://www.nwhs.org/qna/nw1151move.html_ (http://www.nwhs.org/qna/nw1151move.html) > Ron Davis ____________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. _Try BingT now._ (http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToS chool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1) = ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Aug 22 22:07:41 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Midvale - August 19, 1969 A.D. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <970654.53721.qm@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As Gordon mentioned, it took several days for passenger service on the Southern to be restored, via detours over the N&W Shenandoah Division. I was working at AF Tower on the RF&P that summer when traffic on the Southern came to a standstill. I concluded my relief operator job when Steve Takacs, the usual second trick operator, advised that Train 29-41 would detour over the Harrisonburg Branch to Riverton Junction, then down the Shenandoah Valley to Roanoke. Train 29-41 departed Alexandria at its usual time at about 11:45 PM. Baggagemaster McCauley and Relief Conductor Paul Campbell ran on that trip. Since I knew both of them, I rode in a vestibule with the top-half door just about all of the way. I think we reached Front Royal around 3 AM. Paul picked up a Shenandoah Division employee timetable at Shenandoah and gave it to me. Daybreak came around Stuarts Draft. I think there was about 40 miles of 10 mph slow orders, mostly along the James River and north of Lithia. We reached Roanoke around noon. I assume the train that usually split at Monroe was done at Roanoke, with 29 back-tracking to Lynchburg and 41 continuing to Bristol. The Northbound 38-42 was to depart at around 2 PM, I think, which was the first train back to Washington, DC. I rode it northbound after walking around Roanoke a bit, which was my first visit to the city. We reached Alexandria around 2 AM as I recall, so I had been up for about 26 hours. It's 10:04 PM as I write this. I'd have to check OS sheets I kept from that summer, but 40 years ago tonight I was probably working at AF. Where have four decades gone? Good night, Frank Scheer f_scheer at yahoo.com From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Aug 23 07:54:23 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 7:54:23 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts] Passing of Tom "Cornbread" Victory Today Message-ID: <20090823075423.8RMG2.52088.imail@eastrmwml46> -- Skip Salmon ============= To: VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts at yahoogroups.com From: "skipsalmonvgn" Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:19:20 -0000 Subject: [VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts] Passing of Tom "Cornbread" Victory Today It is with great sorrow that I must report to you that Tom "Cornbread" Victory passed away this afternoon. Tom was a brakeman and conductor in Roanoke for the Virginian Railway and shared many colorful stories with the Brethren. He is also the one who mentioned at our second meeting that we should "take twenty". This gave me the idea of calling the sessions with the Brethren "Takin' Twenty". We celebrated Tom's 86th birthday last Sunday. 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Shell > Troutville, VA > > > In a message dated 8/22/2009 4:14:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes: > > Ron, THANKS A LOT for These Excellent Photos of the moving o N&W M Class > No. 1151 yesterday! BEST, Lloyd Lewis of WV. > Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:16:02 To: _nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org_ > (mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org) Subject: Lost Locomotives From: > nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > The first of the Lost Locomotives of Roanoke was moved today. NW1151 was > moved from the Virginia Scrap and Iron yard to the Virginia Museum of > Transportation. > In another new development, the NW1118 will now be passed to the NRHS > Roanoke Chapter in exchange for their 0-6-0 tank engine stored in the main > NS > Roanoke Yard. > The Roanoke Chapter will also receive one the Chesapeake and Western > Baldwin diesels in exchange for cosmetically restoring the other C&W > Baldwin > diesel for VMT. Photos of the unloading at VMT are on the NWHS web site at > _http://www.nwhs.org/qna/nw1151move.html_ > (http://www.nwhs.org/qna/nw1151move.html) > Ron Davis > > ____________________________________ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. _Try BingT now._ > (http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToS > chool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1) = > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd > =JulystepsfooterNO115) > From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Aug 23 15:14:31 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:14:31 -0400 Subject: CC&O in 1910--Dumps Creek Message-ID: <10F0F777D2304528820176C457D4A2F4@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph January 18, 1910 COMPLETE NEW LINE BY FIRST OF MARCH ------ Dumps Creek Extension Will Reach Coal Mines That Have Already Been Opened The Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio Railway has moved a derrick car to Kiser, Va., where it is to be used in the construction of a bridge across the Clinch River. The extension from Kiser is the well known Dumps Creek extension and when finished, which will be about the first of March, it will be about five miles long and will have about two miles of branches. It is expected that the bridge will be completed by the tenth of February. It will be about 200 feet long. The Dumps Creek extension will open the coal on Dumps Creek where a number of openings have been made but cannot be developed until the railroad is ready for traffic. Houses, commissary and other improvements necessary to the working of the coal have been erected, and it was learned here last night that the story about work being stopped on the extension is untrue. The contractors were merely moved to another part of the road so that they could be working to advantage while the bridge was arriving. It is the general opinion of the people in and around Dante that the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio will go up Guest creek near Coeburn and from there will go over to Crane's Nest, where the company is already operating a mine and where it owns a great deal of coal which is being operated by the Clinchfield Coal Corporation. Speculation is rampant among the people in and around Dante about who will be Winder's successor. At present his work is being taken care of by Mr. Potter, the chairman of the board of directors of the road and the mining company. The people all seem to want to have Mr. Roan remain at Dante as they have a great deal of confidence in him and a great deal of respect for him. What will be done is more or less guess work at this time. [Apparently the readers were expected to know who Winder, Potter and Roan were. Also, as commented on in a 6/19/09 posting headed "N&W in 1909--New Branch," Kiser became Carbo, and the CC&O Dumps Creek line became the N&W's Dumps Creek branch in 1956.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Aug 23 17:09:46 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:09:46 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts] Tom "Cornbread" Victory Service Message-ID: <20090823170946.RL52L.56948.imail@eastrmwml47> -- Skip Salmon ============= To: VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts at yahoogroups.com From: "skipsalmonvgn" Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:43:07 -0000 Subject: [VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts] Tom "Cornbread" Victory Service The family of Tom "Cornbread" Victory asked me to tell you that he is at the Lotz Funeral Home, 1001 Franklin Road, Roanoke, VA. Viewing will be Tuesday August 25, 2009 from 6-8 PM and his funeral will be Wednesday August 26, 2009 at noon, same location. Skip Salmon ============= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Aug 23 18:06:22 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: West Jefferson, NC station In-Reply-To: <806078.10968.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <168641.91472.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/article/scenic_town_has_many_ties_to_old_railway1/30717/ Thanks for the link, Ned. Frank Scheer f_scheer at yahoo.com From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Aug 23 21:17:24 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:17:24 -0400 Subject: E Carrington Eddy Message-ID: <20090824011955.CBEP11036.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Does anyone know of an E. Carrington Eddy of Fairview Michigan? Carrington showed color movie footage of N&W steam on the Blue Ridge Grade at the 1966 NRHS Convention in Richmond. Is anyone familiar with his work "Twin Pillars of Smoke"? Ron Davis