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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:50:04 -0500
Subject: E Carrington Eddy
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Ron Cady, not on this list, responded to my inquiry....
Carrington Eddy died about 1973. He owned and operated the quarter scale
Pinconning & Blind River Route in Fairview. His movies are now in the hands
of Schrader, who runs a railroad-oriented mail order business and his own
quarter scale railroad in Fairview.

Ron


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Does anyone know of an E. Carrington Eddy of Fairview Michigan?

Carrington showed color movie footage of N&W steam on the Blue Ridge 
Grade at the 1966 NRHS Convention in Richmond.

Is anyone familiar with his work "Twin Pillars of Smoke"?

Ron Davis

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Subject: Fwd: [VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts] Funeral for Tom "Cornbread" Victory
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:24:46 -0000
Subject: [VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts] Funeral for Tom "Cornbread" Victory

Please note that the funeral for VGN Conductor Tom Victory has been moved to 11AM (instead of noon) on Wednesday August 26 at Lotz Funeral Home 1001 Franklin Road SW, Roanoke.

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Subject: Blue Ridge
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Can anyone tell how one would in this day and Time get to where the Blue 
Ridge Station once was? as well as where the photographers bridge was 
that over looked the Blue Ridge Signals?

Thanks,
Nathan

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Subject: 1880's advertisement question
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Was just going thru some recent treasures I aquired and it includes an
advertising page from some publication of the day, no names, just a
C&O ad on one side and and N&W ad on the other.

The only thing regarding a date is that it dates at least after
January 1882 as there is a reference to something up to that date,
non-railroad related. The name N&W RR also helps a little and since
the Shenandoah Valley line isn't mentioned at all, that also limits
it.. However, they do list 3 N&W officers; Frank Huger, Supt.
Transportation, Lynchburg; N.M. Osborne, master of transportation,
Petersburg; and L.S. Brown, general traveling agent, Lynchburg. So the
main offices were still in Lynchburg is also a clue.

Can anyone help pin this down a little further than "after January
1882 and before 1891?

The C&O ad is little better as it has no dates at all, does have the
name as "C&O Railway" not railroad and does NOT reference the James
River line at all which they took over from the Richmond & Allegheny
in 1890 I think. The C&O officers mentioned are; C.W. Smith, general
manager; H.W Fuller, general passenger agent; J.C. Dame, general
passenger agent Richmond; P.H. Woodward, passenger agent Staunton; and
C.C. Doyle passenger agent Lynchburg.

I've given what I pretty well have for both railway's ads other than
the usual stuff they all list, but there are no timetables or anything
else easily able to pin this puppy down.

Thanks for any help.

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Aug 24 17:32:21 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:32:21 -0400
Subject: 1880's advertisement question
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Message-ID: <2E153F4C3CB9482297B24FC35A59BA62@DellVostro>

In "The Norfolk and Western: a history," by E. F. Pat Striplin, p. 78, 
"Later in the summer of 1883 the headquarters of the old AM&O were moved 
from Lynchburg to Roanoke."

Gordon Hamilton

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> Was just going thru some recent treasures I aquired and it includes an
> advertising page from some publication of the day, no names, just a
> C&O ad on one side and and N&W ad on the other.
>
> The only thing regarding a date is that it dates at least after
> January 1882 as there is a reference to something up to that date,
> non-railroad related. The name N&W RR also helps a little and since
> the Shenandoah Valley line isn't mentioned at all, that also limits
> it.. However, they do list 3 N&W officers; Frank Huger, Supt.
> Transportation, Lynchburg; N.M. Osborne, master of transportation,
> Petersburg; and L.S. Brown, general traveling agent, Lynchburg. So the
> main offices were still in Lynchburg is also a clue.
>
> Can anyone help pin this down a little further than "after January
> 1882 and before 1891?
>
> The C&O ad is little better as it has no dates at all, does have the
> name as "C&O Railway" not railroad and does NOT reference the James
> River line at all which they took over from the Richmond & Allegheny
> in 1890 I think. The C&O officers mentioned are; C.W. Smith, general
> manager; H.W Fuller, general passenger agent; J.C. Dame, general
> passenger agent Richmond; P.H. Woodward, passenger agent Staunton; and
> C.C. Doyle passenger agent Lynchburg.
>
> I've given what I pretty well have for both railway's ads other than
> the usual stuff they all list, but there are no timetables or anything
> else easily able to pin this puppy down.
>
> Thanks for any help.
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:14:35 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--New cars
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
January 19, 1910

BUILD TWO THOUSAND 100,000 TON [SIC] CARS
------
Roanoke Shops to Begin Work Within A Week, Contract Calling for Fifteen a Day

    The Norfolk and Western shops of Roanoke will some time within the next week begin the construction of two thousand steel coal cars, each of 100,000 pounds capacity for the Norfolk & Western.  These cars are similar in every respect to the three hundred which are now about completed, many of which have already been put into service.
    The new contract calls for fifteen finished cars a day, and the Roanoke shops have made ample provision to fulfill this end of the bargian.  Work would have begun before this had it not been for lack of material.  The rolling mills which are furnishing the steel for structural purposes are behind with their orders due in a large measure to the holiday lay off and the extreme cold weather and storms experienced in the past few weeks in the north and west, where the material is being obtained.
    The cost of constructing a steel car of 100,000 pounds capacity is about $1,100.  Fifteen cars per day means an increase of $16,500 daily in the erecting department.  A large percentage of this amount will, of course, go for labor.
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Aug 24 22:07:07 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:07:07 -0600
Subject: Blue Ridge
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Nathan:

To get to the ex-Blue Ridge station site, take US 460 east out of 
Roanoke toward Lynchburg, or the reverse from Lynchburg west.  At Blue 
Ridge, get on CR 805 south off  Rte 460 (should the road have been 
renumbered, just ask locals for "old 805" that goes to the NS 
bridge-overpass near the station site) and head in about .3 mi.  When in 
sight of the overpass, park along the roadside (little traveled).   Walk 
east up a rise to the still-active NS tracks, just a minute or two's 
walk.  The station site is east just several hundred feet from the 
overpass, between the mainline and a spur off the WB main that circled 
around the station on the north side.  When I last visited the site 
early in this decade the spur was still active for stone crusher 
service, within sight to the east;  a track still departed north from 
the station site (above-referenced curved track) to part of the 
limestone complex.  The station occupied a fairly tight squeeze between 
the WB main and the curved track.


There actually were two "photographer's bridges".  The most celebrated, 
at the eastern end of a .75-mi s-curve and about .4 mi. west of the 
station, was on  CR 616  about .3 mi south off Rte 460.  The bridge was 
dismantled decades ago and not replaced.  CR 616 ends near the bridge 
site,  but you'd have to make your way through lots of thicket to reach 
the track.  I actually have walked  west along the track from the 
station site to the bridge site, admittedly not so prudent.  But the 
trek evokes an epic story.


The second bridge sought by photographers in N&W's steam era still 
stands (to my knowledge) just east of Buford's Gap (last and first 
Appalachian challenges for EB and WB traffic, respectively; .7 mi east 
of the station site) just east of the Blue Ridge Stone Corporation's 
landmark crushed limestone "cone" on the south side of Rte 460.  Turn 
south off Rte 460 on a private road leading to the bridge, a hop and a 
skip away. The limestone "cone" will be in sight to your right.


At Blue Ridge trackside  you'll find a bounty of aging, rusting track 
hardware all over, dating back to the "glory days".  Also ankle-deep 
cinder residue from the bowels of N&W's legendary fleet.  Mute 
testimonials to a grand rail saga..


The area signal tower, long gone, was at Villamont, about two miles east 
of Blue Ridge, hard by the WB main.

Frank Gibson

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Tue Aug 25 04:12:44 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:12:44 +0100
Subject: 1880s advertisement question
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References: <540e48700908241252n2d2e8dd9ya8613aa2e197b19d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A939CFC.2070301@ieee.org>



NW Mailing List wrote:
> Was just going thru some recent treasures I aquired and it includes an
> advertising page from some publication of the day, no names, just a
> C&O ad on one side and and N&W ad on the other.
>
> The only thing regarding a date is that it dates at least after
> January 1882 as there is a reference to something up to that date,
> non-railroad related. The name N&W RR also helps a little and since
> the Shenandoah Valley line isn't mentioned at all, that also limits
> it.. However, they do list 3 N&W officers; Frank Huger, Supt.
> Transportation, Lynchburg; N.M. Osborne, master of transportation,
> Petersburg; and L.S. Brown, general traveling agent, Lynchburg. So the
> main offices were still in Lynchburg is also a clue.
<snip>

I've not come across anythung that (yet) pins down this period, but 
these clips may be of interest:

Dominic
London


New York Times archive has Norforlk and Western Railway Superintendent 
of Transportation Col. Hugar's death notice June 12th 1897 dying Friday 
in Roanoke from a stroke of apoplexy aged 60.


There's a poor-ish quality digitised version 
http://www.archive.org/stream/annualreportrai04unkngoog/annualreportrai04unkngoog_djvu.txt 
of  the

FOURTEENTH ANNUAL REPORT
THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. 

PUBLISHED PURSUANT TO LAW. 

RICHMOKD: 
J. H. O'BANNON, SUPERINTENDEXT OF PUBLIC PRINTING. 
OFFICE OF THE RAILROAD COMMISSIONER, 
Richmond, Va., November 1, 1890. 

with Frank Huger in Roanoke featured:

ROAXOKE, VA., March 27, 1890. 
General Jambs C. Hill., 

RftilrfHid Ofinmmioner, Richmoml, Va. : 
Dear Sir: 

Your letter of the 18th instant. We have furnished Davie & Whittle 
with all the box cars they want for the movement of their fertilizer, and could 
now give them more if they needed them. 

Yours truly, 

FRANK HUGER, 

Supt. Drans^n.


He features also in 

*Norwood's*

*Knoxville City Directory*

*1885*



*_East Tennessee, Virginia and Georgia Railroad_*

/General offices, Gay 
<http://www.knoxcotn.org/directories/1885knoxville/streetguide1885.html#GAY>, 
at depot./

 

    *

      *Vice-president and general manager* - H. FINK, Knoxville

    *

      *General superintendent* - J. F. O'BRIEN,  Knoxville

    *

      *General passenger agent *- B. W. WRENN, Knoxville

    *

      *General freight agent *- J. R. OGDEN, Knoxville

    *

      *Assistant general freight and passenger agent* - Jos. GOTHARD

    *

      *Treasurer* - J. G. MITCHELL, Knoxville

    *

      *Superintendent East Tennessee Division* - Frank K. HUGER

http://www.knoxcotn.org/directories/1885knoxville/railroads1885.html

and in Reminiscences of an Old Timer 
http://www.johnsonsdepot.com/southern/rsmith.pdf

Major Huger is referred to as joining the line in 1877, I think.

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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Tue Aug 25 09:34:41 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:34:41 -0400
Subject: Blue Ridge
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Message-ID: <9d5f4ad00908250634k4fa7f82xa2b345c6cdb68bb8@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Frank wrote:

>
> To get to the ex-Blue Ridge station site, take US 460 east out of Roanoke
> toward Lynchburg, or the reverse from Lynchburg west.  At Blue Ridge, get on
> CR 805 south off  Rte 460 (should the road have been renumbered, just ask
> locals for "old 805" that goes to the NS bridge-overpass near the station
> site) and head in about .3 mi.  When in sight of the overpass, park along
> the roadside (little traveled).   Walk east up a rise to the still-active NS
> tracks, just a minute or two's walk.  The station site is east just several
> hundred feet from the overpass, between the mainline and a spur off the WB
> main that circled around the station on the north side.  When I last visited
> the site early in this decade the spur was still active for stone crusher
> service, within sight to the east;  a track still departed north from the
> station site (above-referenced curved track) to part of the limestone
> complex.  The station occupied a fairly tight squeeze between the WB main
> and the curved track.


A few more details to add to Frank's good directions. From U.S. 460 headed
east from Roanoke, the road Frank mentions goes to the right. It is named
Healing Springs Road. Look for Va. 805 and a sign for Adams Construction
and/or Adams Asphalt as a landmark. Follow the road almost to the underpass
beneath the tracks.With leaves on the trees, you don't see the railroad
overpass, but there are clearance signs that let you know you are getting
close. The "road" to the station site starts in a wide spot on the left,
climbs steeply at the top, then crosses a spur track into the quarry. After
you cross that track into the crusher, you will see, as Frank says, where
the station sat squeezed in with the switches and sidings that serve the
stone quarry there. There is a signal just to the west, for westbounds, but
it is around a curve to the left and can't be seen when there are leaves on
the trees. There is a companion eastbound signal adjacent to the westbound
one; both are still N&W color-position signals unless they have been changed
out in the last couple of months.
Bruce in Blacksburg
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:01:56 -0400
Subject: Blue Ridge
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Frank,
Your directions for the Blue Ridge station area will be very helpful. I 
could use a little more help for the second  "photographer's bridge" though. 
Does the road leading to the bridge have a name? And what is Blue Ridge 
Stone Corporation's landmark crushed limestone "cone" ?  Is it something 
quite large? Thanks.
Mike

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> Nathan:
>
> To get to the ex-Blue Ridge station site, take US 460 east out of Roanoke 
> toward Lynchburg, or the reverse from Lynchburg west.  At Blue Ridge, get 
> on CR 805 south off  Rte 460 (should the road have been renumbered, just 
> ask locals for "old 805" that goes to the NS bridge-overpass near the 
> station site) and head in about .3 mi.  When in sight of the overpass, 
> park along the roadside (little traveled).   Walk east up a rise to the 
> still-active NS tracks, just a minute or two's walk.  The station site is 
> east just several hundred feet from the overpass, between the mainline and 
> a spur off the WB main that circled around the station on the north side. 
> When I last visited the site early in this decade the spur was still 
> active for stone crusher service, within sight to the east;  a track still 
> departed north from the station site (above-referenced curved track) to 
> part of the limestone complex.  The station occupied a fairly tight 
> squeeze between the WB main and the curved track.
>
>
> There actually were two "photographer's bridges".  The most celebrated, at 
> the eastern end of a .75-mi s-curve and about .4 mi. west of the station, 
> was on  CR 616  about .3 mi south off Rte 460.  The bridge was dismantled 
> decades ago and not replaced.  CR 616 ends near the bridge site,  but 
> you'd have to make your way through lots of thicket to reach the track.  I 
> actually have walked  west along the track from the station site to the 
> bridge site, admittedly not so prudent.  But the trek evokes an epic 
> story.
>
>
> The second bridge sought by photographers in N&W's steam era still stands 
> (to my knowledge) just east of Buford's Gap (last and first Appalachian 
> challenges for EB and WB traffic, respectively; .7 mi east of the station 
> site) just east of the Blue Ridge Stone Corporation's landmark crushed 
> limestone "cone" on the south side of Rte 460.  Turn south off Rte 460 on 
> a private road leading to the bridge, a hop and a skip away. The limestone 
> "cone" will be in sight to your right.
>
>
> At Blue Ridge trackside  you'll find a bounty of aging, rusting track 
> hardware all over, dating back to the "glory days".  Also ankle-deep 
> cinder residue from the bowels of N&W's legendary fleet.  Mute 
> testimonials to a grand rail saga..
>
>
> The area signal tower, long gone, was at Villamont, about two miles east 
> of Blue Ridge, hard by the WB main.
>
> Frank Gibson
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Tue Aug 25 14:50:42 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:50:42 -0400
Subject: Blue Ridge
In-Reply-To: <006801ca25a5$c106cb80$6401a8c0@GARY>
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Message-ID: <4A943282.70609@gmail.com>

I was in the area not long ago and couldn't find the Station or the 
First photographers Bridge. But I think I found the Second. If I am not 
mistakes it is across the street to the Stone Corp. Headquarters? can 
any one confirm this for both myself and Mike.

Nathan

NW Mailing List wrote:
> Frank,
> Your directions for the Blue Ridge station area will be very helpful. 
> I could use a little more help for the second  "photographer's bridge" 
> though. Does the road leading to the bridge have a name? And what is 
> Blue Ridge Stone Corporation's landmark crushed limestone "cone" ?  Is 
> it something quite large? Thanks.
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" 
> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:07 PM
> Subject: Blue Ridge
>
>
>> Nathan:
>>
>> To get to the ex-Blue Ridge station site, take US 460 east out of 
>> Roanoke toward Lynchburg, or the reverse from Lynchburg west.  At 
>> Blue Ridge, get on CR 805 south off  Rte 460 (should the road have 
>> been renumbered, just ask locals for "old 805" that goes to the NS 
>> bridge-overpass near the station site) and head in about .3 mi.  When 
>> in sight of the overpass, park along the roadside (little 
>> traveled).   Walk east up a rise to the still-active NS tracks, just 
>> a minute or two's walk.  The station site is east just several 
>> hundred feet from the overpass, between the mainline and a spur off 
>> the WB main that circled around the station on the north side. When I 
>> last visited the site early in this decade the spur was still active 
>> for stone crusher service, within sight to the east;  a track still 
>> departed north from the station site (above-referenced curved track) 
>> to part of the limestone complex.  The station occupied a fairly 
>> tight squeeze between the WB main and the curved track.
>>
>>
>> There actually were two "photographer's bridges".  The most 
>> celebrated, at the eastern end of a .75-mi s-curve and about .4 mi. 
>> west of the station, was on  CR 616  about .3 mi south off Rte 460.  
>> The bridge was dismantled decades ago and not replaced.  CR 616 ends 
>> near the bridge site,  but you'd have to make your way through lots 
>> of thicket to reach the track.  I actually have walked  west along 
>> the track from the station site to the bridge site, admittedly not so 
>> prudent.  But the trek evokes an epic story.
>>
>>
>> The second bridge sought by photographers in N&W's steam era still 
>> stands (to my knowledge) just east of Buford's Gap (last and first 
>> Appalachian challenges for EB and WB traffic, respectively; .7 mi 
>> east of the station site) just east of the Blue Ridge Stone 
>> Corporation's landmark crushed limestone "cone" on the south side of 
>> Rte 460.  Turn south off Rte 460 on a private road leading to the 
>> bridge, a hop and a skip away. The limestone "cone" will be in sight 
>> to your right.
>>
>>
>> At Blue Ridge trackside  you'll find a bounty of aging, rusting track 
>> hardware all over, dating back to the "glory days".  Also ankle-deep 
>> cinder residue from the bowels of N&W's legendary fleet.  Mute 
>> testimonials to a grand rail saga..
>>
>>
>> The area signal tower, long gone, was at Villamont, about two miles 
>> east of Blue Ridge, hard by the WB main.
>>
>> Frank Gibson
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>>
>
>
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Tue Aug 25 15:19:57 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:19:57 -0400
Subject: 1880's advertisement question response
Message-ID: <540e48700908251219p12ad567erdc49f3d530a71a9c@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Gordon. As usual your knowledge is quite keen and your
having the history at your fingertips like that is greatly
appreciated. Your having the date of the Lynchburg shops being moved
pretty well closes the door on the topic and while perhaps the
railroad didn't change the ad for a short while, it wouldn't have been
terribly long after that change. Thanks again.
Bob Cohen

Was just going thru some recent treasures I aquired and it includes an
advertising page from some publication of the day, no names, just a
C&O ad on one side and and N&W ad on the other.

The only thing regarding a date is that it dates at least after
January 1882 as there is a reference to something up to that date,
non-railroad related. The name N&W RR also helps a little and since
the Shenandoah Valley line isn't mentioned at all, that also limits
it. However, they do list 3 N&W officers; Frank Huger, Supt.
Transportation, Lynchburg; N.M. Osborne, master of transportation,
Petersburg; and L.S. Brown, general traveling agent, Lynchburg. So the
main offices were still in Lynchburg is also a clue.

Can anyone help pin this down a little further than "after January
1882 and before 1891?"

The C&O ad is little better as it has no dates at all, does have the
name as "C&O Railway" not railroad and does NOT reference the James
River line at all which they took over from the Richmond & Allegheny
in 1890 I think. The C&O officers mentioned are; C.W. Smith, general
manager; H.W Fuller, general passenger agent; J.C. Dame, general
passenger agent Richmond; P.H. Woodward, passenger agent Staunton; and
C.C. Doyle passenger agent Lynchburg.

 I've given what I pretty well have for both railway's ads other than
the usual stuff they all list, but there are no timetables or anything
else easily able to pin this puppy down.

Thanks for any help.

Bob Cohen


In "The Norfolk and Western: a history," by E. F. Pat Striplin, p. 78,
"Later in the summer of 1883 the headquarters of the old AM&O were
moved from Lynchburg to Roanoke."

Gordon Hamilton

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Tue Aug 25 20:09:39 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:09:39 -0400
Subject: Blue Ridge
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Since the stone conveyor that used to go under the highway was removed a 
couple of years ago, I think the "stone cone" landmark is no
longer there.

Sam Putney
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To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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Subject: Re: Blue Ridge


>I was in the area not long ago and couldn't find the Station or the First 
>photographers Bridge. But I think I found the Second. If I am not mistakes 
>it is across the street to the Stone Corp. Headquarters? can any one 
>confirm this for both myself and Mike.
>
> Nathan
>
> NW Mailing List wrote:
>> Frank,
>> Your directions for the Blue Ridge station area will be very helpful. I 
>> could use a little more help for the second  "photographer's bridge" 
>> though. Does the road leading to the bridge have a name? And what is Blue 
>> Ridge Stone Corporation's landmark crushed limestone "cone" ?  Is it 
>> something quite large? Thanks.
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" 
>> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:07 PM
>> Subject: Blue Ridge
>>
>>
>>> Nathan:
>>>
>>> To get to the ex-Blue Ridge station site, take US 460 east out of 
>>> Roanoke toward Lynchburg, or the reverse from Lynchburg west.  At Blue 
>>> Ridge, get on CR 805 south off  Rte 460 (should the road have been 
>>> renumbered, just ask locals for "old 805" that goes to the NS 
>>> bridge-overpass near the station site) and head in about .3 mi.  When in 
>>> sight of the overpass, park along the roadside (little traveled).   Walk 
>>> east up a rise to the still-active NS tracks, just a minute or two's 
>>> walk.  The station site is east just several hundred feet from the 
>>> overpass, between the mainline and a spur off the WB main that circled 
>>> around the station on the north side. When I last visited the site early 
>>> in this decade the spur was still active for stone crusher service, 
>>> within sight to the east;  a track still departed north from the station 
>>> site (above-referenced curved track) to part of the limestone complex. 
>>> The station occupied a fairly tight squeeze between the WB main and the 
>>> curved track.
>>>
>>>
>>> There actually were two "photographer's bridges".  The most celebrated, 
>>> at the eastern end of a .75-mi s-curve and about .4 mi. west of the 
>>> station, was on  CR 616  about .3 mi south off Rte 460.  The bridge was 
>>> dismantled decades ago and not replaced.  CR 616 ends near the bridge 
>>> site,  but you'd have to make your way through lots of thicket to reach 
>>> the track.  I actually have walked  west along the track from the 
>>> station site to the bridge site, admittedly not so prudent.  But the 
>>> trek evokes an epic story.
>>>
>>>
>>> The second bridge sought by photographers in N&W's steam era still 
>>> stands (to my knowledge) just east of Buford's Gap (last and first 
>>> Appalachian challenges for EB and WB traffic, respectively; .7 mi east 
>>> of the station site) just east of the Blue Ridge Stone Corporation's 
>>> landmark crushed limestone "cone" on the south side of Rte 460.  Turn 
>>> south off Rte 460 on a private road leading to the bridge, a hop and a 
>>> skip away. The limestone "cone" will be in sight to your right.
>>>
>>>
>>> At Blue Ridge trackside  you'll find a bounty of aging, rusting track 
>>> hardware all over, dating back to the "glory days".  Also ankle-deep 
>>> cinder residue from the bowels of N&W's legendary fleet.  Mute 
>>> testimonials to a grand rail saga..
>>>
>>>
>>> The area signal tower, long gone, was at Villamont, about two miles east 
>>> of Blue Ridge, hard by the WB main.
>>>
>>> Frank Gibson
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>>
>>
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Tue Aug 25 21:49:46 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:49:46 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1920--Pocahontas, VA
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
January 19, 1910

POCAHONTAS DAY BY DAY
------
Hope for Road's Extension
    Colonel W. F. Kirby of Cedar Bluff was in the city yesterday.  Colonel Kirby was for several years chief engineer of the Pocahontas and Western Railway between this city and Boissevain, and it is hoped he will be sent back at an early date to complete the road to Frazier and Thorne, which is now under advisement.
------
[The June 1908 N&W annual report contains the following:  
"POCAHONTAS AND WESTERN RAILROAD.

"At date of June 30th, 1908, the operated length of the Pocahontas

and Western Railroad was 3.29 miles of main line and 1.13

miles of sidings. Work upon the extension to the Thorne

Operation of the Pocahontas Consolidated Collieries Company, Inc.,

a distance of 3.81 miles above Boissevain, was temporarily stopped

in November, 1907, upon which date the roadbed was about 70 per

cent. completed".  Maybe this explains Thorne, but where was Frazier?]

------
In Search of Health
    J. F. Ward, agent for the Norfolk and Western at this place, left last night for a western trip.  While away he will visit West Baden Hot Springs, Seattle and San Francisco in search of health.  Mr. Ward expects to be away until he first of March.
------

City-Like Appearance
    Charles W. Akers, the newly appointed trainmaster of the Pocahontas division, was in the city this week, which is the first visit Mr. Akers has made to Pocahontas for a few years, and was much gratified at the city-like appearance of the place, with paved streets.
------
Gordon Hamilton
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Subject: Blue Ridge
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I lived in the area 60 years ago, and infrequently am back.  Sam's 
report is useful, and news to me.

So this should do the trick:  from the highest point on Rte 460 (the 
east-west artery) at Blue Ridge, head east toward Lynchburg. Coming up 
almost immediately to the right (south) is the yard where the crushed 
rock "cone" under the end of the conveyor belt from the limestone quarry 
used to be.  It sounds from Nathan like some sort of remnant Stone Corp 
facility remains on the site.  If you can gain access to the yard, drive 
in to the back as far as you can go.  The yard used to extend to a cut 
where the N&W tracks ran.  Facing the now-NS track, off to the left just 
a few hundred feet away the bridge is visible, assuming the bridge is 
still there. 

In the alternative, keep heading east beyond the Stone Corp, and just 
500-1000 feet down the road is a turnoff to the right (south), which 
takes you to the bridge.  I remember it as a private road (never knew 
the name) serving a cluster of homes south of the trackage.  Some 
magnificent shots were taken from the bridge, to the west, of head-end 
power on the curve just beyond Buford's Gap (the line between Bedford 
and Botetourt Counties), and to the east, of EB and WB trains on the 
mains and even of just-released pushers from Boaz and Irving on the 
middle track ending just within sight and extending 1.6 mi (c. 1950) 
back to Villamont on the eastern slope.

Frank Gibson


NW Mailing List wrote:
> Since the stone conveyor that used to go under the highway was removed 
> a couple of years ago, I think the "stone cone" landmark is no
> longer there.
>
> Sam Putney
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" 
> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Blue Ridge

>> I was in the area not long ago and couldn't find the Station or the 
>> First photographers Bridge. But I think I found the Second. If I am 
>> not mistakes it is across the street to the Stone Corp. Headquarters? 
>> can any one confirm this for both myself and Mike.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> NW Mailing List wrote:
>>> Frank,
>>> Your directions for the Blue Ridge station area will be very 
>>> helpful. I could use a little more help for the second  
>>> "photographer's bridge" though. Does the road leading to the bridge 
>>> have a name? And what is Blue Ridge Stone Corporation's landmark 
>>> crushed limestone "cone" ?  Is it something quite large? Thanks.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" 
>>> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:07 PM
>>> Subject: Blue Ridge
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nathan:
>>>>
>>>> To get to the ex-Blue Ridge station site, take US 460 east out of 
>>>> Roanoke toward Lynchburg, or the reverse from Lynchburg west.  At 
>>>> Blue Ridge, get on CR 805 south off  Rte 460 (should the road have 
>>>> been renumbered, just ask locals for "old 805" that goes to the NS 
>>>> bridge-overpass near the station site) and head in about .3 mi.  
>>>> When in sight of the overpass, park along the roadside (little 
>>>> traveled).   Walk east up a rise to the still-active NS tracks, 
>>>> just a minute or two's walk.  The station site is east just several 
>>>> hundred feet from the overpass, between the mainline and a spur off 
>>>> the WB main that circled around the station on the north side. When 
>>>> I last visited the site early in this decade the spur was still 
>>>> active for stone crusher service, within sight to the east;  a 
>>>> track still departed north from the station site (above-referenced 
>>>> curved track) to part of the limestone complex. The station 
>>>> occupied a fairly tight squeeze between the WB main and the curved 
>>>> track.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There actually were two "photographer's bridges".  The most 
>>>> celebrated, at the eastern end of a .75-mi s-curve and about .4 mi. 
>>>> west of the station, was on  CR 616  about .3 mi south off Rte 
>>>> 460.  The bridge was dismantled decades ago and not replaced.  CR 
>>>> 616 ends near the bridge site,  but you'd have to make your way 
>>>> through lots of thicket to reach the track.  I actually have 
>>>> walked  west along the track from the station site to the bridge 
>>>> site, admittedly not so prudent.  But the trek evokes an epic story.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The second bridge sought by photographers in N&W's steam era still 
>>>> stands (to my knowledge) just east of Buford's Gap (last and first 
>>>> Appalachian challenges for EB and WB traffic, respectively; .7 mi 
>>>> east of the station site) just east of the Blue Ridge Stone 
>>>> Corporation's landmark crushed limestone "cone" on the south side 
>>>> of Rte 460.  Turn south off Rte 460 on a private road leading to 
>>>> the bridge, a hop and a skip away. The limestone "cone" will be in 
>>>> sight to your right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At Blue Ridge trackside  you'll find a bounty of aging, rusting 
>>>> track hardware all over, dating back to the "glory days".  Also 
>>>> ankle-deep cinder residue from the bowels of N&W's legendary 
>>>> fleet.  Mute testimonials to a grand rail saga..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The area signal tower, long gone, was at Villamont, about two miles 
>>>> east of Blue Ridge, hard by the WB main.
>>>>
>>>> Frank Gibson
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org
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>>>> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> Nathan Simmons
>> trainman51 at gmail.com
>> http://www.t-51.org
>> KI4MSK
>>
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Aug 26 11:36:46 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:36:46 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1920--Pocahontas, VA
References: <ECFF761A1508419484329DCDF6EA8144@DellVostro>
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Thorne was actually far along in building when it was stopped.  The following is all speculation on my part:

Pocahontas Collieries Co was rechartered in 1901 as sucessor to Southwest Virginia Improvement Co.  The company was pushing down Abbs Valley to put in more coal mines which is where you getting Thorne and Frazier from.  Thorne being president of Pocahontas Collieries.  Problem was the Pocahontas No. 3 coal seam had gone underground as you went down Abbs Valley which is why Boissevein was a shaft mine.  If you continued to approach the coal seam from Abbs Valley it would have meant more shaft mines.  Also all of the coal was west of Abbs Valley. 

In 1907 Pocahontas Collieries Co was acquired by Pocahontas Consolidated Coal Co which had been formed in 1904 by Jenkin Jones, Isaac Mann, Stuart Buck and others from their existing operations.  The new company was known as Pocahontas Consolidated Collieries. By 1907 the N&W had extended the Tug Fork to Pageton and was on the way to Anawalt for the No. 12 Operation of United States Coal & Coke. It was simpler to approach the coal seam from the Tug Fork side of the mountain than it was from the Abbs Valley side of the mountain.  Pocahontas Consolidated Collieries did just that when they built Jenkinjones around 1912 and put in operations No. 6, No. 7 and No. 8 which were all drift mines.  Pocahontas Consolidated Collieries Co became Pocahontas Fuel in 1917.

A new company, Frazier Pocahontas Coal Company, was chartered in 1917 and opened a mine near O'Toole on land subleased from Pocahontas Fuel Company. 

Other factors that probably played a role in the Pocahontas Consolidated Collieries re-thinking the planning for Thorne and Frazier were:

1) The capital involved of connecting the Pocahontas and Boissevein coal plants to the new power plant at Switchback that Pocahontas Consolidated had built at Swithcback
2) Establishing a coal marketing agency known as Pocahontas Fuel in 1907
3) the coal market situation in 1907 leading to the bank panic of 1908 and the demise of the coal market for nearly a year 

Alex Schust

  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:49 PM
  Subject: N&W in 1920--Pocahontas, VA


  Bluefield Daily Telegraph
  January 19, 1910

  POCAHONTAS DAY BY DAY
  ------
  Hope for Road's Extension
      Colonel W. F. Kirby of Cedar Bluff was in the city yesterday.  Colonel Kirby was for several years chief engineer of the Pocahontas and Western Railway between this city and Boissevain, and it is hoped he will be sent back at an early date to complete the road to Frazier and Thorne, which is now under advisement.
  ------
  [The June 1908 N&W annual report contains the following:  
  "POCAHONTAS AND WESTERN RAILROAD.

  "At date of June 30th, 1908, the operated length of the Pocahontas

  and Western Railroad was 3.29 miles of main line and 1.13

  miles of sidings. Work upon the extension to the Thorne

  Operation of the Pocahontas Consolidated Collieries Company, Inc.,

  a distance of 3.81 miles above Boissevain, was temporarily stopped

  in November, 1907, upon which date the roadbed was about 70 per

  cent. completed".  Maybe this explains Thorne, but where was Frazier?]

  ------
  In Search of Health
      J. F. Ward, agent for the Norfolk and Western at this place, left last night for a western trip.  While away he will visit West Baden Hot Springs, Seattle and San Francisco in search of health.  Mr. Ward expects to be away until he first of March.
  ------

  City-Like Appearance
      Charles W. Akers, the newly appointed trainmaster of the Pocahontas division, was in the city this week, which is the first visit Mr. Akers has made to Pocahontas for a few years, and was much gratified at the city-like appearance of the place, with paved streets.
  ------
  Gordon Hamilton


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Subject: Next Archives weekend
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G'day to all

Is the next Archives work session on for the weekend of Sept 12?

Thanks 

Chuck Stewart
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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
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Subject: Blue Ridge
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I am really enjoying "lurking" on this thread with all of these interesting 
conversations.  I am not likely to follow the directions myself, but I am 
positive it would be a beautiful search with a worthwhile goal!   I am 
curious though, would a GPS device with an address or "crossroads" lead one 
there?  Also, I have found excellent assistance in the past using a state 
Atlas & Gazetteer published by Delorme - available at AAA, as well as many 
book/general type stores, for every state I have ever checked.  These super 
map books show almost everything with, to me, surprising detail, including 
even ponds and tree masses, and certainly railroad tracks......

A nice Summer and Autumn travelling companion.

I am sure most of you have seen and used them.

Bob Nichols


From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Aug 26 15:45:30 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:45:30 -0400
Subject: Blue Ridge
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Frank,

The Google satellite image for the Blue Ridge area gives a very clear view 
of the bridge you have described. It shows a small private bridge very near 
to a gravel yard along the tracks. Using the satellite view as a guide this 
bridge should be easy to get to. Thanks for your help. I always enjoy 
learning new information about the N&W.
Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: Blue Ridge


>I lived in the area 60 years ago, and infrequently am back.  Sam's report 
>is useful, and news to me.
>
> So this should do the trick:  from the highest point on Rte 460 (the 
> east-west artery) at Blue Ridge, head east toward Lynchburg. Coming up 
> almost immediately to the right (south) is the yard where the crushed rock 
> "cone" under the end of the conveyor belt from the limestone quarry used 
> to be.  It sounds from Nathan like some sort of remnant Stone Corp 
> facility remains on the site.  If you can gain access to the yard, drive 
> in to the back as far as you can go.  The yard used to extend to a cut 
> where the N&W tracks ran.  Facing the now-NS track, off to the left just a 
> few hundred feet away the bridge is visible, assuming the bridge is still 
> there.
> In the alternative, keep heading east beyond the Stone Corp, and just 
> 500-1000 feet down the road is a turnoff to the right (south), which takes 
> you to the bridge.  I remember it as a private road (never knew the name) 
> serving a cluster of homes south of the trackage.  Some magnificent shots 
> were taken from the bridge, to the west, of head-end power on the curve 
> just beyond Buford's Gap (the line between Bedford and Botetourt 
> Counties), and to the east, of EB and WB trains on the mains and even of 
> just-released pushers from Boaz and Irving on the middle track ending just 
> within sight and extending 1.6 mi (c. 1950) back to Villamont on the 
> eastern slope.
>
> Frank Gibson
>
>
> NW Mailing List wrote:
>> Since the stone conveyor that used to go under the highway was removed a 
>> couple of years ago, I think the "stone cone" landmark is no
>> longer there.
>>
>> Sam Putney
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" 
>> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: Blue Ridge
>
>>> I was in the area not long ago and couldn't find the Station or the 
>>> First photographers Bridge. But I think I found the Second. If I am not 
>>> mistakes it is across the street to the Stone Corp. Headquarters? can 
>>> any one confirm this for both myself and Mike.
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>> NW Mailing List wrote:
>>>> Frank,
>>>> Your directions for the Blue Ridge station area will be very helpful. I 
>>>> could use a little more help for the second  "photographer's bridge" 
>>>> though. Does the road leading to the bridge have a name? And what is 
>>>> Blue Ridge Stone Corporation's landmark crushed limestone "cone" ?  Is 
>>>> it something quite large? Thanks.
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" 
>>>> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>>> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:07 PM
>>>> Subject: Blue Ridge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Nathan:
>>>>>
>>>>> To get to the ex-Blue Ridge station site, take US 460 east out of 
>>>>> Roanoke toward Lynchburg, or the reverse from Lynchburg west.  At Blue 
>>>>> Ridge, get on CR 805 south off  Rte 460 (should the road have been 
>>>>> renumbered, just ask locals for "old 805" that goes to the NS 
>>>>> bridge-overpass near the station site) and head in about .3 mi.  When 
>>>>> in sight of the overpass, park along the roadside (little traveled). 
>>>>> Walk east up a rise to the still-active NS tracks, just a minute or 
>>>>> two's walk.  The station site is east just several hundred feet from 
>>>>> the overpass, between the mainline and a spur off the WB main that 
>>>>> circled around the station on the north side. When I last visited the 
>>>>> site early in this decade the spur was still active for stone crusher 
>>>>> service, within sight to the east;  a track still departed north from 
>>>>> the station site (above-referenced curved track) to part of the 
>>>>> limestone complex. The station occupied a fairly tight squeeze between 
>>>>> the WB main and the curved track.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There actually were two "photographer's bridges".  The most 
>>>>> celebrated, at the eastern end of a .75-mi s-curve and about .4 mi. 
>>>>> west of the station, was on  CR 616  about .3 mi south off Rte 460. 
>>>>> The bridge was dismantled decades ago and not replaced.  CR 616 ends 
>>>>> near the bridge site,  but you'd have to make your way through lots of 
>>>>> thicket to reach the track.  I actually have walked  west along the 
>>>>> track from the station site to the bridge site, admittedly not so 
>>>>> prudent.  But the trek evokes an epic story.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The second bridge sought by photographers in N&W's steam era still 
>>>>> stands (to my knowledge) just east of Buford's Gap (last and first 
>>>>> Appalachian challenges for EB and WB traffic, respectively; .7 mi east 
>>>>> of the station site) just east of the Blue Ridge Stone Corporation's 
>>>>> landmark crushed limestone "cone" on the south side of Rte 460.  Turn 
>>>>> south off Rte 460 on a private road leading to the bridge, a hop and a 
>>>>> skip away. The limestone "cone" will be in sight to your right.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At Blue Ridge trackside  you'll find a bounty of aging, rusting track 
>>>>> hardware all over, dating back to the "glory days".  Also ankle-deep 
>>>>> cinder residue from the bowels of N&W's legendary fleet.  Mute 
>>>>> testimonials to a grand rail saga..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The area signal tower, long gone, was at Villamont, about two miles 
>>>>> east of Blue Ridge, hard by the WB main.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank Gibson
>>>>> ________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>
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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:28:04 -0400
Subject: Roanoke Shops Sign
Message-ID: <4A95B6F4.6070104@btsrr.com>

Does anyone have a good photo or two of the old N&W Shops sign?  I would 
prefer the version with the script herald, but am open to any... I can 
always change the herald.
 
Also, any ideas on the size of this beast?
 
Thanks
Bill

-- 
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== Manufacturer - Retailer - Importer ==
 
Bill & Diane Wade       
 
B.T.S.                    
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Belington, WV  26250    
 
Phone: 304-823-3729
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http://www.btsrr.com
 
We wish you Fair Winds and Following Seas.



From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Aug 26 20:30:35 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:30:35 -0400
Subject: Next Archives weekend
In-Reply-To: <1371221387-1251303845-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim
	.net-1287572997-@bxe1019.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1371221387-1251303845-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1287572997-@bxe1019.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20090827003047.VILT19495.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net>

Chuck,

The answer is yes!

You can check the Archives work schedule on the Events Calendar on 
the web site at
http://www.nwhs.org/events.html

The dates for other N&W/VGN related events in October and November 
are also listed there.

Ron Davis

At 12:26 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote:
>G'day to all
>
>Is the next Archives work session on for the weekend of Sept 12?
>
>Thanks
>
>Chuck Stewart
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:57:35 -0400
Subject: N&W--Kiser station
Message-ID: <CFD1B069D3B64F8B9D55F173C95A39C6@DellVostro>

A couple of  articles from the Bluefield Daily Telegraph on the N&W's Clinch Valley line have mentioned a station on that line named "Kiser," and I have commented that Kiser became present-day Carbo.  Louis Newton told me that the change was made because the name Kiser sounded too much like the German Kaiser of WW I.

A check of N&W Pocahontas division operating timetables in the NWHS Archives reveals that Kiser last appeared in TT No. 10 eff. 5/25/19 and that Carbo first appeared in TT No. 13 (11 and 12 omitted) eff. 5/30/20.  Although the war was over in 1919, apparently the bad connotation persisted and caused the name change.

Gordon Hamilton
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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:18:03 -0400
Subject: Blue Ridge
In-Reply-To: <003701ca2685$c4d59d00$6401a8c0@GARY>
References: <4A93474B.6040402@frii.com> <006801ca25a5$c106cb80$6401a8c0@GARY>
	<4A943282.70609@gmail.com> <001f01ca25e1$81a11f90$6500a8c0@Dad>
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Just west of the summit on US 460 find Colonial Road on the left. 
(About 200 feet past the route 805 turnoff mentioned earlier.)

A short distance up the road is a park with two ball fields. Park in 
the gravel lot and walk to the far side of the park and through the 
woods to view the tracks.

Back on Colonial Road, continue past the park to Blue Ridge Springs 
Road (Rt 616) and turn left. The road ends where the photographer's 
bridge once stood.

Much of the land to the west of this point has grown up with trees, 
plus losing the vantage point of the bridge makes seeing the 1950's 
view of the original curve difficult.

You can see an aerial view at
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=37.372228,-79.805224&spn=0.013114,0.027874&t=h&z=16

For you GPS hounds, the coordinates are North 37-deg 22-min 
20-sec  West 79-deg 48-min 19-sec  (37.37222853570164 
latitude  -79.80522394180298 longitude)

The coordinates for the second bridge are North 37-deg 23-min 
10-sec  West 79-deg 47-min 37-sec  (37.386114890337346 
latitude  -79.79362070560455 longitude)

Aerial view of second (east) bridge at
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=37.386185,-79.792843&spn=0.013111,0.027874&z=16

Stepping Stone Rd crosses the bridge.

Ron Davis

At 03:45 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote:
>Frank,
>
>The Google satellite image for the Blue Ridge area gives a very 
>clear view of the bridge you have described. It shows a small 
>private bridge very near to a gravel yard along the tracks. Using 
>the satellite view as a guide this bridge should be easy to get to. 
>Thanks for your help. I always enjoy learning new information about the N&W.
>Mike
>----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" 
><nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:14 PM
>Subject: Re: Blue Ridge
>
>
>>I lived in the area 60 years ago, and infrequently am back.  Sam's 
>>report is useful, and news to me.
>>
>>So this should do the trick:  from the highest point on Rte 460 
>>(the east-west artery) at Blue Ridge, head east toward Lynchburg. 
>>Coming up almost immediately to the right (south) is the yard where 
>>the crushed rock "cone" under the end of the conveyor belt from the 
>>limestone quarry used to be.  It sounds from Nathan like some sort 
>>of remnant Stone Corp facility remains on the site.  If you can 
>>gain access to the yard, drive in to the back as far as you can 
>>go.  The yard used to extend to a cut where the N&W tracks 
>>ran.  Facing the now-NS track, off to the left just a few hundred 
>>feet away the bridge is visible, assuming the bridge is still there.
>>In the alternative, keep heading east beyond the Stone Corp, and 
>>just 500-1000 feet down the road is a turnoff to the right (south), 
>>which takes you to the bridge.  I remember it as a private road 
>>(never knew the name) serving a cluster of homes south of the 
>>trackage.  Some magnificent shots were taken from the bridge, to 
>>the west, of head-end power on the curve just beyond Buford's Gap 
>>(the line between Bedford and Botetourt Counties), and to the east, 
>>of EB and WB trains on the mains and even of just-released pushers 
>>from Boaz and Irving on the middle track ending just within sight 
>>and extending 1.6 mi (c. 1950) back to Villamont on the eastern slope.
>>
>>Frank Gibson
>>
>>
>>NW Mailing List wrote:
>>>Since the stone conveyor that used to go under the highway was 
>>>removed a couple of years ago, I think the "stone cone" landmark is no
>>>longer there.
>>>
>>>Sam Putney
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" 
>>><nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>>To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:50 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Blue Ridge
>>
>>>>I was in the area not long ago and couldn't find the Station or 
>>>>the First photographers Bridge. But I think I found the Second. 
>>>>If I am not mistakes it is across the street to the Stone Corp. 
>>>>Headquarters? can any one confirm this for both myself and Mike.
>>>>
>>>>Nathan
>>>>
>>>>NW Mailing List wrote:
>>>>>Frank,
>>>>>Your directions for the Blue Ridge station area will be very 
>>>>>helpful. I could use a little more help for the 
>>>>>second  "photographer's bridge" though. Does the road leading to 
>>>>>the bridge have a name? And what is Blue Ridge Stone 
>>>>>Corporation's landmark crushed limestone "cone" ?  Is it 
>>>>>something quite large? Thanks.
>>>>>Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" 
>>>>><nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>>>>To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:07 PM
>>>>>Subject: Blue Ridge
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Nathan:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To get to the ex-Blue Ridge station site, take US 460 east out 
>>>>>>of Roanoke toward Lynchburg, or the reverse from Lynchburg 
>>>>>>west.  At Blue Ridge, get on CR 805 south off  Rte 460 (should 
>>>>>>the road have been renumbered, just ask locals for "old 805" 
>>>>>>that goes to the NS bridge-overpass near the station site) and 
>>>>>>head in about .3 mi.  When in sight of the overpass, park along 
>>>>>>the roadside (little traveled). Walk east up a rise to the 
>>>>>>still-active NS tracks, just a minute or two's walk.  The 
>>>>>>station site is east just several hundred feet from the 
>>>>>>overpass, between the mainline and a spur off the WB main that 
>>>>>>circled around the station on the north side. When I last 
>>>>>>visited the site early in this decade the spur was still active 
>>>>>>for stone crusher service, within sight to the east;  a track 
>>>>>>still departed north from the station site (above-referenced 
>>>>>>curved track) to part of the limestone complex. The station 
>>>>>>occupied a fairly tight squeeze between the WB main and the curved track.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There actually were two "photographer's bridges".  The most 
>>>>>>celebrated, at the eastern end of a .75-mi s-curve and about .4 
>>>>>>mi. west of the station, was on  CR 616  about .3 mi south off 
>>>>>>Rte 460. The bridge was dismantled decades ago and not 
>>>>>>replaced.  CR 616 ends near the bridge site,  but you'd have to 
>>>>>>make your way through lots of thicket to reach the track.  I 
>>>>>>actually have walked  west along the track from the station 
>>>>>>site to the bridge site, admittedly not so prudent.  But the 
>>>>>>trek evokes an epic story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The second bridge sought by photographers in N&W's steam era 
>>>>>>still stands (to my knowledge) just east of Buford's Gap (last 
>>>>>>and first Appalachian challenges for EB and WB traffic, 
>>>>>>respectively; .7 mi east of the station site) just east of the 
>>>>>>Blue Ridge Stone Corporation's landmark crushed limestone 
>>>>>>"cone" on the south side of Rte 460.  Turn south off Rte 460 on 
>>>>>>a private road leading to the bridge, a hop and a skip away. 
>>>>>>The limestone "cone" will be in sight to your right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At Blue Ridge trackside  you'll find a bounty of aging, rusting 
>>>>>>track hardware all over, dating back to the "glory days".  Also 
>>>>>>ankle-deep cinder residue from the bowels of N&W's legendary 
>>>>>>fleet.  Mute testimonials to a grand rail saga..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The area signal tower, long gone, was at Villamont, about two 
>>>>>>miles east of Blue Ridge, hard by the WB main.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Frank Gibson
>>>>>>________________________________________
>>>>>>NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Nathan Simmons
>>>>trainman51 at gmail.com
>>>>http://www.t-51.org
>>>>KI4MSK
>>>>
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Aug 26 21:25:15 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:25:15 -0400
Subject: Blue Ridge
Message-ID: <20090827012518.HCNT19505.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net>

Good reporting, all.

As a coda to this exchange, it may be worth noting that within M.H. 
Ferrell's "Norfolk and Western, Steam's Last Stand" (Hundman 
Publishing, 2007, available via N&WHS' Commissary) is a 
treasure-trove of Blue Ridge-area action, including photographers' 
shots from the two bridges, as on facing pages, pix of the long 
s-curve, west of Blue Ridge, and of the summit (gap) area, east of 
Blue Ridge, on pp. 96 and 97, respectively.

Frank Gibson


From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Aug 26 21:38:07 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:38:07 -0400
Subject: N&W--Battleships
Message-ID: <7786BA064C384FCEA8592C6DCBCA07F2@DellVostro>

Several Bluefield Daily Telegraph articles from the early Twentieth Century posted on the Mailing List have mentioned "Battleship" coal cars, and some people have posted comments on the Mailing List about the use of that term on the N&W and Virginian.  I do not know about the latter, but a search of early Twentieth Century N&W operating timetables in the NWHS Archives sheds some light on the usage on the N&W.

The term Battleship does not appear in the earliest Pocahontas division TT in the Archives, No. 1 eff. 12/3/05, and No. 2 is missing.  The term does appear in No. 3 eff. 11/25/06 in the tabulation under the heading "Figures to be Used in Computing Tonnage for Cars of Different Capacity and Lading."  Under sub-heading "Steel Coke Cars Loaded with Coke," appears:  Battleships, 100,000 pounds capacity -- 67 tons loaded with coke.  There is no listing  in that TT for these cars with coal loads.  By about 1920 78 tons loaded with coal had been added to that part of the TTs.

Reference to Andrew Dow's book on N&W coal cars reveals the Class HI and HL (not to be confused with the later HL cars that were converted into H9 hopper cars) were the N&W's first all-steel hopper cars, with the latter having been built in 1906, the same year that the term "battleships" appeared in the operating TT.  The pictures in Dow's book show a formidable looking large coke car.

My conclusion is that the term "battleships" was an official N&W description that dated from about 1906 and that it was picked up by the newspaper reporters, probably from the rank and file N&W railroaders of that era.

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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:37:44 -0400
Subject: JK Tower drawings in the Archives?
Message-ID: <4A95B938.2080205@vt.edu>

Are there dimensional drawings of JK Tower in the Archives? Is it possible 
to get copies mailed to me? I am trying to scratchbuild it for my Master 
Model Railroader certificate and to win the structures contest in the 
convention...now there is some bold talking...



Are there other structures with dimensions I could attempt to scratchbuild? 
Hotel Roanoke? (Now that is just too bold, right there!) Seriously, perhaps 
there is a list of structures like Coopers Bridge, etc. archived that I 
could choose from.

Thank you,

Michael W. Shockley Mem #1689

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Aug 27 08:56:48 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:56:48 -0400
Subject: Roanoke Shops Sign
Message-ID: <4A968290.1010207@vt.edu>

I captured an image from the Steam in the 50's video from the Commissary. 
It is the video with the wreck of the 611.  I am not sure I can legally 
forward them but you can capture on computer using Real Player, I think.
I have been trying to model it as well.  Would you like to share ideas?
Mike Shockley

> Does anyone have a good photo or two of the old N&W Shops sign?  I would
> prefer the version with the script herald, but am open to any... I can
> always change the herald.
> 
> Also, any ideas on the size of this beast?
> 
> Thanks
> Bill

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Aug 27 09:05:23 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:05:23 -0400
Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren
Message-ID: <4A968493.5080802@vt.edu>

Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with six of the Brethren 
and Friends of the Virginian Railway. Most of the talk of the night was 
about the funeral that many of the Brethren attended earlier in the day for 
our beloved Tom "Cornbread" Victory. I had the honor of giving a eulogy for 
Tom. We set up his regular table setting and added a tall globe VGN lantern 
and a bowl of cornbread along with the photo book and notes about him from 
the past 6 years of this "Takin' Twenty" Report that I used in the eulogy. 
See a photo of this on this web site under "Memorial Photos of People". I 
reported at Tom's funeral about the many responses of condolence from this 
web site, some as far away as New Zealand and Ireland. Some who also 
attended his viewing or funeral included Obediah Overstreet, Rufus Dean 
Williams, Aubrey Wiley from Lynchburg, Greg Elam from Victoria, George and 
Betty Harmon (Slick Inge's niece and nephew) from Princeton, Dwight and 
Carolyn Vivas from Petersburg, J. D. Ferris, Tom Guilliams and many more. 
"Cornbread" will always be remembered at every "Takin' Twenty".

Every year about this time, the Brethren are anxious to see what great 
Virginian memories Aubrey Wiley includes in his next all-VGN calendar. 
Every one of the Brethren present bought their 2010 version last night. 
Rufus Wingfield immediately spotted a photo on the back page of a special 
scaffold used by VGN linemen to maintain the overhead 11,000 volt lines for 
the VGN Electric Locomotives. He also noted a "typo" under the photo, Salem 
is MP V251. Raymond East recalled seeing this tower on a motor car working 
in the Yard. This prompted me to remember in 2004 when Toby Hodson, VGN 
Helper Lineman, was a regular at "Takin' Twenty". He shared with us the 
same photo in the calendar and one with a close-up showing him and VGN 
lineman Red Taylor working on top of the tower. I have posted the second 
photo on this site under "Skip's Photos". As usual, Aubrey you have printed 
a masterpiece and another winner in the 2010 version and every Virginian 
fan should have one!

I showed the Brethren a clipping from Monday's "Roanoke Times" from 1909 
(100 years ago): "Roanoke may expect a visit in a few days from the monster 
Mallet engine, which has just been received by the Virginian Railroad from 
the builders".

We talked about the movement of the "Lost engines of Roanoke" from the 
Virginian Scrap Iron location. These three M2 steam engines have now been 
distributed for cosmetic restoration. The #1151, built in Roanoke Shops has 
been delivered to VMT; the #1134 is now at the 9th Street Siding of the 
Roanoke Chapter NRHS where Will Harris, Goshen lumberman who is making the 
moves, and his work force will sand blast and paint it for delivery to 
Portsmouth, VA Historical Park; and the #1118 is now at 9th Street for the 
Chapter's use. The Chapter will have an Open House on September 26 at the 
9th Street Facilities and should also have the two C&W Baldwin switch 
engines for all to see.

Landon Gregory just returned from a trip to the National Railway Historical 
Society's Convention in Duluth, MN. His wife Sandra informed me that he has 
a new nickname give to him by a "Yankee female bar tender". Landon and his 
friends now call him "Muffin".

The funeral and seeing a lot of former VGN and N&W employees prompted a lot 
of memories. Rufus recalled Benny Russo who came to Roanoke from Minnesota 
with the circus, liked Roanoke, and got a job as a brakeman on the VGN. Ruf 
said Benny was always working on old "VWs" and was asked once why he never 
bought a new car. He answered "I like working on the old ones".

When I prepared for Tom Victory eulogy, I looked at the last six year's 
"Takin' Twenty" Reports and "gleaned" some of the best "Cornbread" stories. 
I showed them to Rev. Jay Fields, Tom's Minister, for review since some are 
sort of "racy" and certain ally not politically correct. He insisted that 
the following one be included:
11/10/05 "Cornbread" Victory told us about Benny Russo getting saved and 
bringing back to the Yard Office a pile of tools that he had stolen. 
Victory said that there was a "mad rush from the sinners to take possession 
of the returned tools".

Time to pull the pin on this one!

Departing Now from V248,

Skip Salmon



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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:46:44 -0400
Subject: JK Tower drawings in the Archives?
In-Reply-To: <4A95B938.2080205@vt.edu>
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Not sure about "JK" -- that's probably in the VGN drawings and I'm

not that familiar with that cabinet.? Because I entered them into

the file, I know there are drawings of the?Hotel Roanoke.? Someone

alerted me that the Mechanical Department had just trashed

drawings in a dumpster behind the building.? I was able to

salvage a drawing of the Hotel Roanoke kitchen and a section

foreman's house and others that have been copied and placed

in the archives.? In searching the dumpster, one of the higher-

ups walked past and asked "what's the matter, Harry, forget your

lunch ?"?? Harry Bundy
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:00:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: JK Tower drawings in the Archives?
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You might want to look here: 



http://nwhs.org/archivesdb/structures.php?cat=Tower 



Jim Brewer 

Glenwood MD 


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Subject: JK Tower drawings in the Archives? 

Are there dimensional drawings of JK Tower in the Archives? Is it possible 
to get copies mailed to me? I am trying to scratchbuild it for my Master 
Model Railroader certificate and to win the structures contest in the 
convention...now there is some bold talking... 



Are there other structures with dimensions I could attempt to scratchbuild? 
Hotel Roanoke? (Now that is just too bold, right there!) Seriously, perhaps 
there is a list of structures like Coopers Bridge, etc. archived that I 
could choose from. 

Thank you, 

Michael W. Shockley Mem #1689 
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Aug 27 15:39:11 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:39:11 -0400
Subject: JK Tower drawings in the Archives?
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Michael:   Use the "Search the Archives" link on the website home page.  

In general, the railroad does not have architectural drawings for depots and
similar other than the 'standard' drawings which were used to define the
basic specification for the structure that was desired by the railroad.  The
company that they hired to do the work would have created the architectural
drawings (if they used them) for that specific structure.  Thus the
architectural drawings are not the 'property' of the railroad.  

Also, detailed architectural drawings are a fairly recent development.
Large structures had them in the 'teens and twenties, but single story
residential structures and similar rarely had anything drawn up on them.  

Now, there are exceptions to this.

Also, depots built around the turn of the century (most wood second class
depots) used the basic standard drawing but were built to the dimensions
necessary for that location, (bigger or smaller freight house section for
instance).  They were built by a local carpenter crew who knew what was
necessary to make a successful wood structure.  They likely never made any
drawings.  The carpenters knew what to make by tradition.

(Huge numbers of stick-built residential homes built in the US up to around
1960 had little or no engineering or sophisticated plans.  Carpenters
followed tradition and the very simple building codes then in place.)

Railroad bridge records are mostly a huge roll of a detail drawing of EACH
of the detail steel parts necessary to construct the bridge.  This was so
that the railroad could fix or repair the bridge.   There are rarely any
'assembly' or erection drawings of the bridge structure as the bridge
erecting company didn't use that sort of thing.  They had a basic
cross-section of the bridge and an erection schedule.  There perhaps is a
plot plan of the abundments and piers and maybe the drawings of the pier
concrete construction.  

So, if you are seeking a nice "D" or "E" size drawing showing the whole
bridge assembled with a take-off list of the girder sizes used.  Nope.  

p.s.  Do you realize how big the Coopers Bridge is?  Even in N scale.....

One reasonable detailed drawing of the First Class wood and brick station
exists in the old N&W Standards book that the N&WHS used to sell.  Do you
have one of those?  This depot represents the Farmville depot, Waverly VA
depot and similar.

Gary Rolih
Secretary N&WHS

 
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Subject: JK Tower drawings in the Archives?

Are there dimensional drawings of JK Tower in the Archives? Is it possible 
to get copies mailed to me? I am trying to scratchbuild it for my Master 
Model Railroader certificate and to win the structures contest in the 
convention...now there is some bold talking...



Are there other structures with dimensions I could attempt to scratchbuild? 
Hotel Roanoke? (Now that is just too bold, right there!) Seriously, perhaps 
there is a list of structures like Coopers Bridge, etc. archived that I 
could choose from.

Thank you,

Michael W. Shockley Mem #1689
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Aug 27 15:53:06 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:53:06 -0400
Subject: Bellevue Mad River and NKP Museum special day September 26, 2009
Message-ID: <ABD6537CA461487ABCFB7791D9E9B83E@071927350f>

On September 26, 2009, the Mad River and NKP Railroad Museum in Bellevue
Ohio will be presenting "Museum Nights" In cooperation with the Bellevue
Society for the Arts, the museum will offer costumed actors in the 1940-50
era, special lighting, a professional photographer on site and specially
lighted equipment for an evening of night photography. Gates will open at
6:30 PM and for a $20.00 admission the equipment and characters will be
available for several vignettes throughout the museum. We are anticipating
using over 20 characters from engine crews to period passengers to "on duty"
military men and equipment at the Pullman troop sleeper. Various diesel,
steam, freight car, caboose and depot scenes, RPO mailbag exchange will be
provided as well as a hobo jungle serving hobo stew and a USO crew serving
sandwiches to our guests and military. If conditions permit, the N&W 200 ton
derrick may be in operation as well. The Mad River museum is a static museum
and there will be no active equipment for this event, just a frozen "moment
in the past" Call 419-483-2222 for more information or mail to
madriver at onebellevue.com or on the web: www.madrivermuseum.org. Check us out
for a unique, hosted photographic experience.  
 

 

 

Passed on by

 

Gary Rolih

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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:23:44 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Good men
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
January 21, 1910

SCARCITY OF GOOD MEN ON NORFOLK AND WESTERN
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Openings for Brakemen and Trainmen and Railroad Has Much to Offer Right Applicants

    There is a scarcity of good men on the Norfolk and Western.  The railroad could use a number of men of the right calibre in many positions.  There are a number of openings for brakemen and trainmen as well as in other departments.  The Norfolk and Western has a great deal to offer to men to locate here, as they are sure of employment under the best of conditions and under an official force which is perhaps better liked by the men personally than any other official force in the country.  Opportunities for promotion are many and as proof of the fact that the road appreciates service it might be stated the general manager, eastern general superintendent and no less than three of the division superintendents, as well as many trainmasters, grew up on the Pocahontas division.  The general manager and vice president of the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio, as well as the superintendent and trainmaster and some assistants are graduates of the Norfolk and Western Pocahontas division.  Mr. Maher, the general manager and vice president of the Norfolk and Western could have been president of a railroad a short time ago if he had so wished and the Virginian Railway has also drawn on this road for men who are now in official capacities.  There is hardly any road in the country where men are better paid and the conductors on the Norfolk and Western are the best paid in the United States.
    There is one rule which is enforced on the Norfolk and Western and that is with regard to drinking.  Men are not allowed to drink on duty and this has a great deal to do with the wonderful record of the road which operates 2,000 miles of track and has killed only one or two passengers in fifteen years.  The relations between the men and official force are splendid and as a result there has never been a strike of importance on the road.  The Pocahontas division has been free from trouble except on one occasion years ago when a dispute arose about handling express.  It was settled within a very few days.
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[The BDT of that era was obviously an N&W booster.]

Gordon Hamilton
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:52:09 -0400
Subject: NS 2010 Calendar
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All,

 

  The NS 2010 calendar will feature former N&W SD40-2, r/n 1646 on the
cover. The cover image also includes my oldest daughter, Madelyn, waving
while partially hanging out of the window of my  step-father's SUV at
Spencer (Five Row), NC. The image was taken and submitted by my step-father,
an NS Lake Division engineer. My step-father received confirmation of this a
couple of days ago and was never more proud. I would share the image with
the group but I am obviously not in possession of it. I would assume the NS
web site will be updated soon with the 2010 calendar winners. Be well and
safe.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Todd Arnett

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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:00:22 -0400
Subject: Roanoke Shops Sign
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hi Bill

There must be plenty of photos out there taken from the bridge at 
Roanoke depot. There are three photos I am aware of that you might be 
interested in, but they are of the 'modern' sign not the old script version.

1. The classic shot of 600 rolled out into the shop yard brand new. The 
b&w version appears in "N&W: Giant of Steam" (revised) on p235 and the 
color version appears on the cover of the promotional booklet "Modern 
Steam Locomotives of the Norfolk and Western Railway Company" (attached).

2. A photo of diesels in the shop yard by George W. Hamlin on 
RailPictures.net (attached).

3. A night shot of the illuminated sign by Martin K. O'Toole, also on 
RailPictures.net. This is fairly close and should be useful for 
estimating the size of the structure.

Bob Gellatly



[Moderator]
See images at following:

http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=60

railpictures.net images:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=146450
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=53299




From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Fri Aug 28 09:13:41 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:13:41 -0400
Subject: Roanoke Shops Sign
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There is at least one drawing in the NWHS archives of the power house sign.
  Dated 8/1930. No dimensions it appears, just the layout of the neon.

http://nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=65515


- Roger Link


From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Aug 27 15:45:04 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:45:04 -0400
Subject: Roanoke Shops Sign
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Bill: if you were at the Convention, you saw a large photograph of 8009 in
front of the East End shops on the turntable with the 'new' N&W shop sign
above.  These prints were made off of a negative of mine in my darkroom.

Contact me off line at rolih at nwhs.org


Gary Rolih
Secretary N&WHS


 

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Subject: Roanoke Shops Sign

Does anyone have a good photo or two of the old N&W Shops sign?  I would 
prefer the version with the script herald, but am open to any... I can 
always change the herald.
 
Also, any ideas on the size of this beast?
 
Thanks
Bill

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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Fri Aug 28 10:27:21 2009
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:27:21 -0500
Subject: N&W models at Brickfair
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	<6A4AD7AF8A424ACB8D21928A2100CC0B@071927350f>
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Here is a link to some N&W models that were displayed at the recent 2009
LEGO BrickFair.  Photos by Abe Friedman.  After you get to the link - hit
the next button a few times to see other pix.

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=4072934

ENJOY!

Donald E. Munsey, Jr.          dmunseyjr at comcast.net
S/Sn42, S-9, Hn42 & Hn16 - Appalachian river logging modeler
Virginian Railway and Big Sandy & Cumberland Railroad fan
Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana
CopperSmith & Bonsai enthusiast



From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Fri Aug 28 16:34:41 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:34:41 -0400
Subject: Roanoke Shops Sign
References: <4A97D4E6.50802@vt.edu> <4A97D805.5060800@vt.edu>
Message-ID: <85A336971B5444998EA0DA8B6BABB4E8@D276CV71>

The title block of this drawing notes a scale that appears to be " 1/2" = 1 
ft "  If that could be verified by checking the drawing, the lack of 
dimensions problem is moot.

Once you find the width of the sign, you can a close approximation of the 
support dimensions by a process of proportional measurements from the photo 
of the J600.

C. H. Chamberlayne
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> There is at least one drawing in the NWHS archives of the power house 
> sign.
>  Dated 8/1930. No dimensions it appears, just the layout of the neon.
>
> http://nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=65515
>
>
> - Roger Link
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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:13:33 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Engines
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
January 21, 1910

SHORTAGE OF ENGINES
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Norfolk and Western May be Compelled to Hire From Other Roads
    The Norfolk and Western is having difficulty with its engines.  It is learned that the company could use about twenty more engines at this time.  The shortage seems to have been caused by unusual loading on other divisions and engines have been borrowed from the Pocahontas division.    It may become necessary to hire engines from some other railroad which has a few to spare.  The Norfolk and Western is not the only road which is in this fix on account of the inability of locomotive shops to turn out engines fast enough to supply the demand.  The local road has orders placed for several engines, but they are not being delivered on contract time.  The road is also building a number of new hopper cars and expects to be able to give them to this division as fast as they can be turned out.
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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:13:10 -0400
Subject: Hooter Questions
Message-ID: <4A9880A6.3020004@gmail.com>

Hey Gang,

I have a couple questions regarding N&W Hooter Whistles. right now I am 
watching Hooters on Blue Ridge. There are a couple segments where there 
are double headed trains with both an Y6 and an A in these segment there 
is essentially a "whistle conversation" between the two. In these 
segments I have noticed a difference in the sound of the Whistles the 
Y6s always have a "Smoother" tone while the As have a "Gertle" (like the 
tone "rattles" all most) in them, I have noticed this all though out the 
movie. IS this a difference if Steam pressure? (I thought the Y6 and A 
classes used the same boiler pressure) or is this a difference in the 
actual whistle. I also know a fellow that built a replica of a hooter 
and put it on "His" engine is Cass, WV (He is the Shay 5 Engineer) his 
whistle has the "Gertle" is it as well, and Shay 5 is only 200 PSI 
boiler pressure.

I have also noticed the N&W 475 is Strasburg also has a Different sound 
that is different form the two mentioned above, is it a Different whistle?

Thanks,

Nathan

-- 
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sat Aug 29 08:59:31 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:59:31 EDT
Subject: NW 611 Silver Commemoratives
Message-ID: <d5e.566672d8.37ca8033@aol.com>

Vince,
 
I have one of the silver medallions that you are referring to.  The  
address on the back of the certification that came with the medallion is:
 
Silver Images
P.O. Box 33514
Denver, Colorado  80233
 
I have had this for about 25 + years and don't know if they are still  
around.
 
Tom Bosquet
 
 
In a message dated 8/10/2009 9:33:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes:

Hello  all. 

Is anyone on the list familiar with a silver commemorative  coin showing 
the 611 on one side and the N&W logo on the other? Coins are  approximately 
1-1/2" diameter and said to be minted by "Silver Images" in  Denver, CO., but 
I can't find any info on "Silver Images" online.  

Any info would be greatly appreciated. Even if these coins are  total fakes 
they look really nice. 

Thanks in  advance,
Vince
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sat Aug 29 13:15:22 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:15:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Hooter Questions
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Nathan,

I believe 475 has the "old" N&W freight whistle installed (or something very similar judging from the size).  The final freight whistle was considerably longer.

I've also noticed the difference in sound between an A and Y6 on Hooters.? However, I believe it's restricted to one sound track.? Sequence at 48:56 has this contrast with 2177 and 1242 and from the looks of the synch between movie and audio, this is a live soundtrack with the movie.? However, there's a similar movie sequence at 19:17 that seems to use exactly the same soundtrack, but with no steam coming from either whistle.? It also has a different sound for the A, but I believe this is only one sound sample used twice.

Link made some extensive on train recordings with 1238 and it exhibited the same edgy or "razzy" sound, so it's not unique.

I don't know what causes this because as you note, it's the same whistle with the same BP.??Did some A's have steel whistles vs brass for others?  That's about the only thing I can think of.

Dave Stephenson

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Hooter Questions
> To: "NWHS" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:13 PM
> Hey Gang,
> 
> I have a couple questions regarding N&W Hooter
> Whistles. right now I am watching Hooters on Blue Ridge.
> There are a couple segments where there are double headed
> trains with both an Y6 and an A in these segment there is
> essentially a "whistle conversation" between the two. In
> these segments I have noticed a difference in the sound of
> the Whistles the Y6s always have a "Smoother" tone while the
> As have a "Gertle" (like the tone "rattles" all most) in
> them, I have noticed this all though out the movie. IS this
> a difference if Steam pressure? (I thought the Y6 and A
> classes used the same boiler pressure) or is this a
> difference in the actual whistle. I also know a fellow that
> built a replica of a hooter and put it on "His" engine is
> Cass, WV (He is the Shay 5 Engineer) his whistle has the
> "Gertle" is it as well, and Shay 5 is only 200 PSI boiler
> pressure.
> 
> I have also noticed the N&W 475 is Strasburg also has a
> Different sound that is different form the two mentioned
> above, is it a Different whistle?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nathan
> 
> -- Nathan Simmons
> trainman51 at gmail.com
> http://www.t-51.org
> KI4MSK
> 
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sat Aug 29 14:56:08 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:56:08 +0000
Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren
In-Reply-To: <4A968493.5080802@vt.edu>
References: <4A968493.5080802@vt.edu>
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Thank's, Skip, I too miss Cornbread's jokes and stories. Jim Flummer
 
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:05:23 -0400
> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
> Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren
> From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
> 
> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with six of the Brethren 
> and Friends of the Virginian Railway. Most of the talk of the night was 
> about the funeral that many of the Brethren attended earlier in the day for 
> our beloved Tom "Cornbread" Victory. I had the honor of giving a eulogy for 
> Tom. We set up his regular table setting and added a tall globe VGN lantern 
> and a bowl of cornbread along with the photo book and notes about him from 
> the past 6 years of this "Takin' Twenty" Report that I used in the eulogy. 
> See a photo of this on this web site under "Memorial Photos of People". I 
> reported at Tom's funeral about the many responses of condolence from this 
> web site, some as far away as New Zealand and Ireland. Some who also 
> attended his viewing or funeral included Obediah Overstreet, Rufus Dean 
> Williams, Aubrey Wiley from Lynchburg, Greg Elam from Victoria, George and 
> Betty Harmon (Slick Inge's niece and nephew) from Princeton, Dwight and 
> Carolyn Vivas from Petersburg, J. D. Ferris, Tom Guilliams and many more. 
> "Cornbread" will always be remembered at every "Takin' Twenty".
> 
> Every year about this time, the Brethren are anxious to see what great 
> Virginian memories Aubrey Wiley includes in his next all-VGN calendar. 
> Every one of the Brethren present bought their 2010 version last night. 
> Rufus Wingfield immediately spotted a photo on the back page of a special 
> scaffold used by VGN linemen to maintain the overhead 11,000 volt lines for 
> the VGN Electric Locomotives. He also noted a "typo" under the photo, Salem 
> is MP V251. Raymond East recalled seeing this tower on a motor car working 
> in the Yard. This prompted me to remember in 2004 when Toby Hodson, VGN 
> Helper Lineman, was a regular at "Takin' Twenty". He shared with us the 
> same photo in the calendar and one with a close-up showing him and VGN 
> lineman Red Taylor working on top of the tower. I have posted the second 
> photo on this site under "Skip's Photos". As usual, Aubrey you have printed 
> a masterpiece and another winner in the 2010 version and every Virginian 
> fan should have one!
> 
> I showed the Brethren a clipping from Monday's "Roanoke Times" from 1909 
> (100 years ago): "Roanoke may expect a visit in a few days from the monster 
> Mallet engine, which has just been received by the Virginian Railroad from 
> the builders".
> 
> We talked about the movement of the "Lost engines of Roanoke" from the 
> Virginian Scrap Iron location. These three M2 steam engines have now been 
> distributed for cosmetic restoration. The #1151, built in Roanoke Shops has 
> been delivered to VMT; the #1134 is now at the 9th Street Siding of the 
> Roanoke Chapter NRHS where Will Harris, Goshen lumberman who is making the 
> moves, and his work force will sand blast and paint it for delivery to 
> Portsmouth, VA Historical Park; and the #1118 is now at 9th Street for the 
> Chapter's use. The Chapter will have an Open House on September 26 at the 
> 9th Street Facilities and should also have the two C&W Baldwin switch 
> engines for all to see.
> 
> Landon Gregory just returned from a trip to the National Railway Historical 
> Society's Convention in Duluth, MN. His wife Sandra informed me that he has 
> a new nickname give to him by a "Yankee female bar tender". Landon and his 
> friends now call him "Muffin".
> 
> The funeral and seeing a lot of former VGN and N&W employees prompted a lot 
> of memories. Rufus recalled Benny Russo who came to Roanoke from Minnesota 
> with the circus, liked Roanoke, and got a job as a brakeman on the VGN. Ruf 
> said Benny was always working on old "VWs" and was asked once why he never 
> bought a new car. He answered "I like working on the old ones".
> 
> When I prepared for Tom Victory eulogy, I looked at the last six year's 
> "Takin' Twenty" Reports and "gleaned" some of the best "Cornbread" stories. 
> I showed them to Rev. Jay Fields, Tom's Minister, for review since some are 
> sort of "racy" and certain ally not politically correct. He insisted that 
> the following one be included:
> 11/10/05 "Cornbread" Victory told us about Benny Russo getting saved and 
> bringing back to the Yard Office a pile of tools that he had stolen. 
> Victory said that there was a "mad rush from the sinners to take possession 
> of the returned tools".
> 
> Time to pull the pin on this one!
> 
> Departing Now from V248,
> 
> Skip Salmon
> 
> 
> 
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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:53:46 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--BS&C
Message-ID: <A2EE7F02564249B3AA6CA5DFE36DA0B7@DellVostro>

Bluefield Daily Telegraph
January 23, 1910

MAY HAVE INTENDED TO ROB PAY TRAIN
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Four Men Armed With Winchesters Called on Engineer to Stop But He Did Not Obey
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        Les Coleman and an engineer took $12,000 on a Climax engine yesterday morning after No. 4 passed Devon and started up Knox Creek on their way to the Ritter Lumber camps where the money was to be used to pay off the men.  When the engine had run about a half mile four men with Winchesters crossed the creek and called to the engineer to stop the train.  Les Coleman, who was riding on the tender with a Winchester, spoke to the engineer, telling him to drive ahead at full speed, which he did while Mr. Coleman kept the men covered.  Whether the men were out to rob the train of the pay roll is not known but it is singular that they should be out at such an early hour.  Mr. Coleman was there with his rifle, and many of the people think that the men were frightened off by the fact that instead of stopping full speed was put on by the engineer.  Mr. Coleman fired a few shots to frighten the men as the train went by.

[A bit of the 'ol wild west on the Big Sandy & Cumberland narrow gauge.  Even at full speed a Climax would not be much of a get-away engine.]

Gordon Hamilton
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sat Aug 29 19:38:33 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:38:33 +0000
Subject: Hooter Questions
In-Reply-To: <201372.9319.qm@web31804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090829233833.SQ87O.117342.root@hrndva-web01-z01>


The 475 has the old 7-inch hooter.  The standard hooter at the end was a 12-incher, thus the deeper tone.

Several A/Y-6 hooters sounded like they had water in them.  Notorious among these was the 1238 which is on several recordings and movies.  At least one 2100 (2192?) sounded the same way.

EdKing


---- NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote: 
> Nathan,
> 
> I believe 475 has the "old" N&W freight whistle installed (or something very similar judging from the size).  The final freight whistle was considerably longer.
> 
> I've also noticed the difference in sound between an A and Y6 on Hooters.? However, I believe it's restricted to one sound track.? Sequence at 48:56 has this contrast with 2177 and 1242 and from the looks of the synch between movie and audio, this is a live soundtrack with the movie.? However, there's a similar movie sequence at 19:17 that seems to use exactly the same soundtrack, but with no steam coming from either whistle.? It also has a different sound for the A, but I believe this is only one sound sample used twice.
> 
> Link made some extensive on train recordings with 1238 and it exhibited the same edgy or "razzy" sound, so it's not unique.
> 
> I don't know what causes this because as you note, it's the same whistle with the same BP.??Did some A's have steel whistles vs brass for others?  That's about the only thing I can think of.
> 
> Dave Stephenson
> 
> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> 
> > From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> > Subject: Hooter Questions
> > To: "NWHS" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> > Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:13 PM
> > Hey Gang,
> > 
> > I have a couple questions regarding N&W Hooter
> > Whistles. right now I am watching Hooters on Blue Ridge.
> > There are a couple segments where there are double headed
> > trains with both an Y6 and an A in these segment there is
> > essentially a "whistle conversation" between the two. In
> > these segments I have noticed a difference in the sound of
> > the Whistles the Y6s always have a "Smoother" tone while the
> > As have a "Gertle" (like the tone "rattles" all most) in
> > them, I have noticed this all though out the movie. IS this
> > a difference if Steam pressure? (I thought the Y6 and A
> > classes used the same boiler pressure) or is this a
> > difference in the actual whistle. I also know a fellow that
> > built a replica of a hooter and put it on "His" engine is
> > Cass, WV (He is the Shay 5 Engineer) his whistle has the
> > "Gertle" is it as well, and Shay 5 is only 200 PSI boiler
> > pressure.
> > 
> > I have also noticed the N&W 475 is Strasburg also has a
> > Different sound that is different form the two mentioned
> > above, is it a Different whistle?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Nathan
> > 
> > -- Nathan Simmons
> > trainman51 at gmail.com
> > http://www.t-51.org
> > KI4MSK
> > 
> > ________________________________________
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> > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Aug 30 00:45:21 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:45:21 -0400
Subject: Hooter Questions
In-Reply-To: <20090829233833.SQ87O.117342.root@hrndva-web01-z01>
References: <20090829233833.SQ87O.117342.root@hrndva-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <4A9A03E1.7020903@gmail.com>

Ed,

I assume that the way 1218's whistle sounds in this video is a Hooter 
with out water in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so7-Fu2psjc

Also what exactly do you mean by having Water in them? Please educate me.

Nathan

NW Mailing List wrote:
> The 475 has the old 7-inch hooter.  The standard hooter at the end was a 12-incher, thus the deeper tone.
>
> Several A/Y-6 hooters sounded like they had water in them.  Notorious among these was the 1238 which is on several recordings and movies.  At least one 2100 (2192?) sounded the same way.
>
> EdKing
>
>
> ---- NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote: 
>   
>> Nathan,
>>
>> I believe 475 has the "old" N&W freight whistle installed (or something very similar judging from the size).  The final freight whistle was considerably longer.
>>
>> I've also noticed the difference in sound between an A and Y6 on Hooters.  However, I believe it's restricted to one sound track.  Sequence at 48:56 has this contrast with 2177 and 1242 and from the looks of the synch between movie and audio, this is a live soundtrack with the movie.  However, there's a similar movie sequence at 19:17 that seems to use exactly the same soundtrack, but with no steam coming from either whistle.  It also has a different sound for the A, but I believe this is only one sound sample used twice.
>>
>> Link made some extensive on train recordings with 1238 and it exhibited the same edgy or "razzy" sound, so it's not unique.
>>
>> I don't know what causes this because as you note, it's the same whistle with the same BP.  Did some A's have steel whistles vs brass for others?  That's about the only thing I can think of.
>>
>> Dave Stephenson
>>
>> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>> Subject: Hooter Questions
>>> To: "NWHS" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:13 PM
>>> Hey Gang,
>>>
>>> I have a couple questions regarding N&W Hooter
>>> Whistles. right now I am watching Hooters on Blue Ridge.
>>> There are a couple segments where there are double headed
>>> trains with both an Y6 and an A in these segment there is
>>> essentially a "whistle conversation" between the two. In
>>> these segments I have noticed a difference in the sound of
>>> the Whistles the Y6s always have a "Smoother" tone while the
>>> As have a "Gertle" (like the tone "rattles" all most) in
>>> them, I have noticed this all though out the movie. IS this
>>> a difference if Steam pressure? (I thought the Y6 and A
>>> classes used the same boiler pressure) or is this a
>>> difference in the actual whistle. I also know a fellow that
>>> built a replica of a hooter and put it on "His" engine is
>>> Cass, WV (He is the Shay 5 Engineer) his whistle has the
>>> "Gertle" is it as well, and Shay 5 is only 200 PSI boiler
>>> pressure.
>>>
>>> I have also noticed the N&W 475 is Strasburg also has a
>>> Different sound that is different form the two mentioned
>>> above, is it a Different whistle?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>> -- Nathan Simmons
>>> trainman51 at gmail.com
>>> http://www.t-51.org
>>> KI4MSK
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org
>>> To change your subscription go to
>>> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list
>>> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at
>>> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/
>>>
>>>       
>>
>>       
>> ________________________________________
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>>     
>
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-- 
Nathan Simmons
trainman51 at gmail.com
http://www.t-51.org
KI4MSK


From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Aug 30 11:43:42 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:43:42 -0400
Subject: Hooter Questions
In-Reply-To: <4A9A03E1.7020903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090830154342.NMHGI.126608.root@hrndva-web14-z01>


Nathan - The '38 and 2192's whistles sounded hoarse, like there was water in them (although there was no place water could stay in a whistle).  What caused the hoarse sound I never found out, but there are several movies and/or records of the 1238 where it shows up plainly.  The 1218 never sounded like that.

EdK

---- NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote: 
> Ed,
> 
> I assume that the way 1218's whistle sounds in this video is a Hooter 
> with out water in it.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so7-Fu2psjc
> 
> Also what exactly do you mean by having Water in them? Please educate me.
> 
> Nathan
> 
> NW Mailing List wrote:
> > The 475 has the old 7-inch hooter.  The standard hooter at the end was a 12-incher, thus the deeper tone.
> >
> > Several A/Y-6 hooters sounded like they had water in them.  Notorious among these was the 1238 which is on several recordings and movies.  At least one 2100 (2192?) sounded the same way.
> >
> > EdKing
> >
> >
> > ---- NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote: 
> >   
> >> Nathan,
> >>
> >> I believe 475 has the "old" N&W freight whistle installed (or something very similar judging from the size).  The final freight whistle was considerably longer.
> >>
> >> I've also noticed the difference in sound between an A and Y6 on Hooters.  However, I believe it's restricted to one sound track.  Sequence at 48:56 has this contrast with 2177 and 1242 and from the looks of the synch between movie and audio, this is a live soundtrack with the movie.  However, there's a similar movie sequence at 19:17 that seems to use exactly the same soundtrack, but with no steam coming from either whistle.  It also has a different sound for the A, but I believe this is only one sound sample used twice.
> >>
> >> Link made some extensive on train recordings with 1238 and it exhibited the same edgy or "razzy" sound, so it's not unique.
> >>
> >> I don't know what causes this because as you note, it's the same whistle with the same BP.  Did some A's have steel whistles vs brass for others?  That's about the only thing I can think of.
> >>
> >> Dave Stephenson
> >>
> >> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>     
> >>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> >>> Subject: Hooter Questions
> >>> To: "NWHS" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> >>> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:13 PM
> >>> Hey Gang,
> >>>
> >>> I have a couple questions regarding N&W Hooter
> >>> Whistles. right now I am watching Hooters on Blue Ridge.
> >>> There are a couple segments where there are double headed
> >>> trains with both an Y6 and an A in these segment there is
> >>> essentially a "whistle conversation" between the two. In
> >>> these segments I have noticed a difference in the sound of
> >>> the Whistles the Y6s always have a "Smoother" tone while the
> >>> As have a "Gertle" (like the tone "rattles" all most) in
> >>> them, I have noticed this all though out the movie. IS this
> >>> a difference if Steam pressure? (I thought the Y6 and A
> >>> classes used the same boiler pressure) or is this a
> >>> difference in the actual whistle. I also know a fellow that
> >>> built a replica of a hooter and put it on "His" engine is
> >>> Cass, WV (He is the Shay 5 Engineer) his whistle has the
> >>> "Gertle" is it as well, and Shay 5 is only 200 PSI boiler
> >>> pressure.
> >>>
> >>> I have also noticed the N&W 475 is Strasburg also has a
> >>> Different sound that is different form the two mentioned
> >>> above, is it a Different whistle?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Nathan
> >>>
> >>> -- Nathan Simmons
> >>> trainman51 at gmail.com
> >>> http://www.t-51.org
> >>> KI4MSK
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________________
> >>> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org
> >>> To change your subscription go to
> >>> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list
> >>> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at
> >>> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/
> >>>
> >>>       
> >>
> >>       
> >> ________________________________________
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> >> To change your subscription go to
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> >>     
> >
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> 
> -- 
> Nathan Simmons
> trainman51 at gmail.com
> http://www.t-51.org
> KI4MSK
> 
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Aug 30 16:48:57 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:48:57 -0400
Subject: videos of N&W on Blue Ridge
Message-ID: <001901ca29b3$4be31ae0$6401a8c0@GARY>

Good Day,

  I want to begin a DVD collection of N&W steam videos. My main focus is on Blue Ridge grade. I know there are quite a few videos out there, so I am asking for your favorites. I am interested in what videos you find the best. Quantity of Blue Ridge action and the quality of the picture are important factors. I will appreciate any suggestions.
Mike
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Aug 30 19:44:21 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:44:21 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Cars
Message-ID: <FA97A4B1A1AE49A89233D59CC6A1AA0B@DellVostro>

Bluefield Daily Telegraph
January 21, 1910

FACTS ABOUT CARS FOR NORFOLK AND WESTERN
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When Contracts Contemplated Are Awarded 5,500 For the Freight Service Will be Provided For

    Roanoke Times:  Conflicting reports have appeared from time to time relative to the number of freight cars that are being built or are to be built by and for the Norfolk and Western Railroad [sic].  Following are the facts of the matter.
    An order was placed in 1909 at the Roanoke shops for 500 steel gondolas, to be built at the shops.  In addition there has been placed at the shops an order for 2,000 all steel coal hopper cars, making 2,500 altogether.

The road now contemplates asking for bids for the construction of 1,500 all-steel coal hoppers, 500 all-steel flat-bottomed gondolas, 500 all-steel coke cars, and 500 stock cars.  Representatives of manufacturers who intend bidding for this work will be here some time this week, and their bids will be submitted and considered in a conference between them and the management.  When contracts for these cars are awarded, the company will have either under construction or to be constructed 5,500 cars for the freight service.
    It is also said that orders will be placed this year for new locomotives which will be manufactured and delivered as they are needed by the road.  Six passenger engines of the Pacific type [Class E2. Nos. 574 thru 579] are now being built at the Richmond branch of the American Locomotive Works, and it is expected that they will be turned over to the road in February.  These machines are of large size and great power and will be used to haul some of the fast trains now being operated by the Norfolk and Western.
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[A few numerals in the car quantities were blurred on the microfilm, but the best interpretations are shown.]

Gordon Hamilton
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Aug 30 21:04:19 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:04:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The bold look of class J #777?
Message-ID: <329736.99279.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

While reading a home magazine I was pleasantly surprised when I ran across this 
interesting advertisement on the rear cover. Even though there are obviously many liberties
taken it's still quite a scene.

http://www.us.kohler.com/craftsmanship/mag_ad_detail.jsp?magAd=img-holthusenPlatform-large

Brian D.



      
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Aug 30 20:49:11 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:49:11 -0400
Subject: Waynesboro Belt line again
Message-ID: <4A9B1E07.6040306@gmail.com>

Hey Gang,

I remember in the pas few weeks there was a Discussion about the 
Waynesboro Belt line. I apologize for my delay in asking, but from where 
and to where was the Waynesboro Belt line? I used to hang around 
Waynesboro a good bit and am curious as to where exactly the belt line 
worked in.

Thanks,
Nathan

-- 
Nathan Simmons
trainman51 at gmail.com
http://www.t-51.org
KI4MSK


From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Aug 30 23:28:07 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:28:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Con-Cor mP54
Message-ID: <62824.47620.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I apologize if this has been discussed previously. Would someone provide the purchase and retirement dates (or a link where I can find the information) for the mP54 coaches, mBM62 baggage, mPB54c combines purchased from PRR? (Assuming that all three classes were purchased by the N&W)

Thank you,

Jerry A. Shepardson
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Aug 30 22:14:17 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:14:17 EDT
Subject: Fwd: N&W 611 in 2" Scale
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 From: KEN 49146
To: KEN 49146
Sent: 8/30/2009 1:55:49 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time
Subj: N&W 611 in 2" Scale



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Title : Train Festival 2009
Event Date : 7/25/09
Credit : Kenneth Borg
Copyright : Kenneth Borg
Location : SRI grpunds
City : Owosso
State : Michigan
Caption : N&W  611  in 2"  scale and traiker it rides in.









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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:14:46 EDT
Subject: Fwd: Trailer for Hauling Locomotive Model
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To: KEN 49146
Sent: 8/30/2009 1:56:26 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time
Subj: Trailer for Hauling Locomotive Model



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Title : Train Festival 2009
Event Date : 7/25/09
Credit : Kenneth Borg
Copyright : Kenneth Borg
Location : SRI grpunds
City : Owosso
State : Michigan
Caption : N&W  611  in 2"  scale and traiker it rides in.









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