J #604 builders plate

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Shouldn't we also mention that replica builder plates were frequently cast
in yellow brass and not the original's material, which was bronze?  Yellow
brass is easy to see by observation as it is yellowish while bronze has a
red-orange color.

Gary Rolih
Cincinnati

 
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Larry

They all had the same size bolt after they were placed under the 
walkway above the cylinders.  Of course the 611 - 613 never had them 
mounted on the side of the smoke box with the exception of the 611 
when returned from Birmingham with the reissue plates.

The 611 had the large bolt holes. If you see a 611 plate with small 
holes there is a problem.  As info I was in the roundhouse when the 
611 plates were removed.  One of the bolts was given to me and I 
still have it. There may be a number of reissue 611 plates like the 
ones put on when it was rebuilt.  I know for a fact they had a number 
of extras for the 1218 made to give to the VIP's.

Not sure what you are talking about the 600 plate in Roanoke has 
small holes.  When the 600 came through Roanoke going to scrap it had 
the builder plate on the left side.  The one on the Engineers side 
had been removed east of Roanoke.  The plate on the 600 had the same 
size bolt or the large size. As info Tom Dressler got the plate off 
the left side of  the 600 from the scrap yard.  Not sure where it is now.

I have seen at least one original plate off most of the class J with 
the exception of the 613.


Jim

At 06:37 PM 9/20/2009, you wrote:

>Jim

>

>  In comparison with 611,602,609s original plates appears to be the same

size

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>holes.  Although 600s Plate up north seems to have larger holes and 

>the 600 plate

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>that's in Roanoke has the small holes.

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>Larry

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>>Ken

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>>I agree with your views.

>>

>>In addition the holes for the mounting bolts are way too small for 

>>a original J plate.  This can be seen without any close inspection.

>>

>>Jim Blacktock

>>

>>At 09:34 PM 9/19/2009, you wrote:

>>>Interestingly enough, a 604 builders plate is on ebay right now as

>>>well. I am somewhat suspicious of that one, I cannot see any kind of

>>>marks on the back from the boiler straps. But that may just be a lack

>>>of quality photos.

>>>

>>>Builders plates are a complex subject, and there are generally a lot

>>>more fakes than real ones out there. The J plates are one of the

>>>hardest and most expensive to get, I suspect most if not all were

>>>saved. I also have reason to believe that the plates of the 600 in

>>>October 1941 had multiple copies made at the time and given to folks

>>>close to the project, in addition to the reproductions made in the

>>>last 20 or so years.

>>>

>>>Good luck

>>>

>>>Ken Miller

>>>

>>>On Sep 19, 2009, at 7:32 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:

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>>>>Greetings from Dry Branch,

>>>>        Would anyone have any ideas on how I can authenticate a "J"

>>>>builders plate I came across a couple weeks ago?  I would have

>>>>thought all 14 numbers had been accounted for by now but this does

>>>>seem to be the real deal. It's from the 604 and the only history I

>>>>have is that it came from Bluefield. I've noticed that pictures

>>>>dating from after the wreck on 6/12/46 show no builders plates and

>>>>wonder if they could have been left off after the repair. I know

>>>>it's going to be difficult to piece together the history but I'd

>>>>like to try. Any suggestions or info will be greatly appreciated.

>>>>

>>>>Chuck Speicher

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