From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Sep 28 01:14:18 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:14:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: EB at Whitethorne, WB hopper train at Belspring on Google maps
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List(s):
'Twas looking at Whitethorne, VA (former VGN) on maps.google.com, aerial (or satellite) view, and there is an EB coal train being pushed (yes, you can see the helpers) by Whitethorne. from past experience. The train is not on the move yet. This is where the coal trains usually stop to wait on the helpers and it appears that the helpers are in position and ready to shove.
On the west side of the river is a WB hopper train is passing through Belspring and is approaching Parrott. This is an area subject to much discussion and a tour (that I missed) last winter. In fact, the locomotives are just about where the old line connected to the new line. I love looking at aerial view maps like Google and MSN and you have two trains with different functions in service for the same commodity.
If we've already whipped this horse please pardon.

Google link:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=whitethorne,va&sll=37.205175,-80.543261&sspn=0.030695,0.054502&ie=UTF8&ll=37.204697,-80.54884&spn=0.030695,0.054502&t=h&z=14

Charlie Long



From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Sep 28 10:14:51 2009
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:14:51 +0100
Subject: amended - Link talk
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For UK subscribers the next date for the 'Winston Link and the N&W' presentation is Monday 12th Oct. 2009 at The York Railway Circle meeting at Archbishop Holgate's School, Hull Road, York YO10 5ZA. Access is via Yarburgh Way. Starting at 7.30pm.

Bob Gellatly
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Sep 28 17:58:25 2009
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:58:25 -0400
Subject: No wood cars in Penn Station?
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To expand what's already been contributed (just moved from NJ to MO, so 
I'm depending on memory, not my library).  The NYC ordnance followed a 
horrendous collision in the smoke filled NYC tunnel under Park Avenue.  
The further use of steam locomotives on Manhattan Island was banned.
NYC rebuilt Grand Central as it exists today - two track levels; 
electric traction, etc.  The ban on wooden passenger cars may also have 
been based on a fatal accident on the Brooklyn elevated lines
when excessive speed on a downgrade + curve into a tunnel smashed the 
wooden 'el' cars into the face of the portsl.  Think it was called the 
Malbone St. wreck.

Jerry Crosson


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Subject: RE: No wood cars in Penn Station?



The Hudson River tunnel, Marty! And there was probably a New York City
ordinance regarding fire hazard. That is why New York Central and New 
Haven
had to run electrics into Grand Central.   Jim

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Subject: No wood cars in Penn Station?

Hello, Jim -

I'll play the dummy and ask how steel cars are related to Penn
Station. I'm going to -guess- that wooden cars
 were prohibited because
of the fire hazard in such an enclosed space. Is this the case?

- Marty Swartz

[Jim Nichols said:]
> Supplemental information: Dad?s records show them as 1000 and 1001, 
class
RC, and 1002-1005 as class RD, built Pullman 1910 and purchased from the
Pennsylvania. The mystery is: how long did PRR own them, since N&W 
bought
them the same year they were built? .... In any event, PRR was buying 
steel
cars because of the new Penn Station in New York, so were happy to 
unload
these almost new wood cars.??? ??Jim Nichols
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Sep 28 20:37:20 2009
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:37:20 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Block system
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
March 6, 1910

BLOCK SYSTEM MAY BE PUT INTO EFFECT
------
Norfolk and Western to Give Wharnecliffe, Lindsey and Alnwick Three Shifts of Telegraphers
    As a result of the unfortunate series of freight wrecks during the past week it was reported yesterday that the Norfolk and Western has decided to place three shifts of telegraph operators at Wharnecliffe, Lindsey and Alnwick.  While the extra operators will not prevent wrecks, they will assist the division office to keep track of trains and in this way materially assist the movement.  As it is now, when a train leaves Jim, near Devon, it is lost until a report is received from it at the next telegraph office, which is quite a distance away.  By putting back the three tricks the tracks can be closely watched with the result that if a train goes down, a report can be made on it without waiting for a train hand to walk to the station to advise the telegraph operator of what has occurred.  It is also possible that an absolute block system may be put into effect, but nothing along this line has been done as yet.  By adopting the absolute block system, engineers and conductors will be prevented from making fast runs between points where they have a well ballasted straight track.
    They will be held up until they are advised that a train has left the block and in the way rear end collisions will be prevented.

Gordon Hamilton
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Sep 28 20:48:05 2009
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:48:05 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Various
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
March 6, 1910

IN CITY AND COALFIELD
------
Burns Are Not Serious
    Engineer W. J. Rinard, of Norton, who was injured by the explosion on Shay engine No. 54 at Williamson on Tuesday morning, passed through the city yesterday afternoon on a cot en route to his home at Norton where he will be confined to the house for some time as a result of his burns.  They are not thought serious, and Mr. Rinard was resting well yesterday when he was taken through this city.
------

Thrown From Train
    Conductor Barker was injured yesterday morning about 6 o'clock near Falls Mills by being thrown from his train to the ground.  He was standing on top of a car when suddenly the train parted and ran together again with such a crash that he lost his footing and was hurled to the ground.  He was not seriously injured and was able to be on the streets last night.
------
[Conductors were tough in those days!]

Gordon Hamilton
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Mon Sep 28 21:56:52 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:56:52 +0000
Subject: J #604/611 Data
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First, I have a interesting question:

Why was 604 the first J to go to scrap?

Second, in my completion of the book Midnight on the Pocahontas (about 611's 1956 wreck) I have to cover why the 611 was preserved. I would like this to be a private conversation, but I would like to speak with former N&W employees and the like who have information on why the 611 is still with us today. The subject can also be discussed on the board at the moderator's wish.

Lois J. Ponton

Friends of the 611


 
> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
> Subject: Re: J #604 builders plate
> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:33:39 -0400
> From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
> 
> Jimmy
> K2 Would have had the regular Alco Brooks rectangle plate, K2a Would 
> have a regular 9 1/4 Baldwin
> round plate. Some that I have seen were chromed but not all of them may have 
> worn off like most of the
> Js did.
> 
> Larry Evans
> Kenova,WV
> 
> 
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> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> Subject: RE: J #604 builders plate
> 
> 
> Any particular reason they moved them?
> 
> Mike Weeks
> Greenville NC 		 	   		  
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Tue Sep 29 14:27:31 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:27:31 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Huge rocks
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
March 8, 1910

FREIGHT TRAIN CRASHES INTO TWO HUGE ROCKS
-------
Tracks Near Ada Badly Torn Up And May Not be Cleared Before Afternoon

    Nathan Neal, colored, was slightly injured in a wreck which occurred one mile west of Ada last night about 8 o'clock.  Eight cars were thrown crossways on the track and two cars overturned.  Engine 1057 [M1, 4-8-0, Richmond 1907], with Hugh Carney at the throttle and Fireman T. S. Simmons plunged into two rocks weighing a ton or more each, which had rolled off the bank on the track directly in front of the train.  The engineer did not see them until he was within three or four car lengths and although he applied his air as quickly as possible, the engine went ploughing into the obstructions, but only suffered the loss of its pilot.  Neal, who was injured, was standing on top of a car near the engine and when he saw what was happening he jumped, spraining his back.  If the engineer and fireman had jumped they might have been killed.  As it was both stuck to their posts and came out unharmed.
    The rocks must have fallen some time before the train came along as a farmer who lived nearby saw them on the track and was putting on his clothes to go out and warn the train men of the danger when suddenly the headlight of a freight came in sight and the wreck occurred.
    Dr. Cornett was put on a special engine to the scene of the wreck to attend to Neal's injuries, but they were so slight that he was able to go to his home on No. 16.
    Train No. 3 was delayed by the wreck and it was necessary to transfer passengers to train No. 14 while No. 3 went back to Roanoke as No. 16 and No. 16 came west as No. 3.
    The wreck was one of the worst small wrecks the road ever had.  The track was badly torn up and estimates last night said that the east bound track would be cleared and repaired by 7 o'clock this morning while the westbound track cannot be cleared and repaired before the middle of the afternoon.
    A boy who was riding in the car with some cattle was uninjured although the car he was in was picked up by the force of the wreck and turned around so that it was thrown across the track.  A pail of milk, which was in the car was not even overturned while the car was cavorting around like one of the young heifers.  A dog which was in the car added his howling to the noise of the smashing timbers and the boy who was tending the cattle was more interested in quieting the dog for fear that he would stampede the cattle than he was in fear of personal danger.
------
["...riding in the car with some cattle...."  I have heard of drover cabooses on some western railroads where the drovers could ride while accompanying a shipment of cattle or sheep, but in the car with cattle?  And, a boy at that!]

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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Tue Sep 29 15:52:29 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:52:29 -0400
Subject: Steam in Manhattan
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Regarding steam in Manhattan, I don't think it was totally banned on
the island, just in the tunnels as a result a wreck, which I presume
is the one referenced. Several people were killed as result of the
smoke, steam and mess and inaccesibility resultant thereof.

When Reading 2101 was used in AFT service in the 1970's, I have been
told it was towed thru the Hudson tunnel, minus its fire.

Bob Cohen

>
> To expand what's already been contributed (just moved from NJ to MO, so
> I'm depending on memory, not my library). ?The NYC ordnance followed a
> horrendous collision in the smoke filled NYC tunnel under Park Avenue.
> The further use of steam locomotives on Manhattan Island was banned.
> NYC rebuilt Grand Central as it exists today - two track levels;
> electric traction, etc. ?The ban on wooden passenger cars may also have
> been based on a fatal accident on the Brooklyn elevated lines
> when excessive speed on a downgrade + curve into a tunnel smashed the
> wooden 'el' cars into the face of the portsl. ?Think it was called the
> Malbone St. wreck.
>
> Jerry Crosson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> To: 'NW Mailing List' <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Sent: Sat, Sep 26, 2009 12:51 am
> Subject: RE: No wood cars in Penn Station?
>
> The Hudson River tunnel, Marty! And there was probably a New York City
> ordinance regarding fire hazard. That is why New York Central and New
> Haven had to run electrics into Grand Central. ? Jim
>
> Hello, Jim -
>
> I'll play the dummy and ask how steel cars are related to Penn
> Station. I'm going to -guess- that wooden cars ?were prohibited because
> of the fire hazard in such an enclosed space. Is this the case?
>
> - Marty Swartz
>
> [Jim Nichols said:]

>> Supplemental information: Dad's records show them as 1000 and 1001,
> class RC, and 1002-1005 as class RD, built Pullman 1910 and purchased from the
> Pennsylvania. The mystery is: how long did PRR own them, since N&W
> bought them the same year they were built? .... In any event, PRR was buying
> steel cars because of the new Penn Station in New York, so were happy to
> unload these almost new wood cars.??? Jim Nichols

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Sep 30 10:29:14 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:29:14 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Another train
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
March 13, 1910

ANOTHER TRAIN TO IAEGER
------
Traveling Men Think Run of No. 9 Should be Extended

    Some talk has arisen among traveling men who have occasion to visit the populous territory below Welch, and they seem to think it would be an excellent plan for the Norfolk and Western to run train No. 9, which now runs between this city and Gary, to Iaeger.  In this way it would connect with the Tug Fork branch and would also give another connection with the Iaeger-Southern branch [Later the Dry Fork branch.]  The towns between Welch and Iaeger, as well as the mines, furnish a great many travelers, and the Dry Fork branch is now becoming one of the heavy lines on the Norfolk and Western.  If No. 9 ran between these two points, on its return it could carry a great deal of the business which train No. 16 has to pick up.  It would also give the Welch people, who have daily visits to make to the Dry Fork, a chance to get home earlier.  It would not affect the Tug Fork branch but would help the railroad to take passengers off two branches instead of one and in this way increase its traffic on the short trains.
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Gordon Hamilton
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Sep 30 11:44:19 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:44:19 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Huge rocks
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I particularly like the reporters "conjecture" (my term) that, "The rocks must have fallen some time before the train came along..."

Sam Putney 
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  Bluefield Daily Telegraph
  March 8, 1910

  FREIGHT TRAIN CRASHES INTO TWO HUGE ROCKS
  -------
  Tracks Near Ada Badly Torn Up And May Not be Cleared Before Afternoon

      Nathan Neal, colored, was slightly injured in a wreck which occurred one mile west of Ada last night about 8 o'clock.  Eight cars were thrown crossways on the track and two cars overturned.  Engine 1057 [M1, 4-8-0, Richmond 1907], with Hugh Carney at the throttle and Fireman T. S. Simmons plunged into two rocks weighing a ton or more each, which had rolled off the bank on the track directly in front of the train.  The engineer did not see them until he was within three or four car lengths and although he applied his air as quickly as possible, the engine went ploughing into the obstructions, but only suffered the loss of its pilot.  Neal, who was injured, was standing on top of a car near the engine and when he saw what was happening he jumped, spraining his back.  If the engineer and fireman had jumped they might have been killed.  As it was both stuck to their posts and came out unharmed.
      The rocks must have fallen some time before the train came along as a farmer who lived nearby saw them on the track and was putting on his clothes to go out and warn the train men of the danger when suddenly the headlight of a freight came in sight and the wreck occurred.
      Dr. Cornett was put on a special engine to the scene of the wreck to attend to Neal's injuries, but they were so slight that he was able to go to his home on No. 16.
      Train No. 3 was delayed by the wreck and it was necessary to transfer passengers to train No. 14 while No. 3 went back to Roanoke as No. 16 and No. 16 came west as No. 3.
      The wreck was one of the worst small wrecks the road ever had.  The track was badly torn up and estimates last night said that the east bound track would be cleared and repaired by 7 o'clock this morning while the westbound track cannot be cleared and repaired before the middle of the afternoon.
      A boy who was riding in the car with some cattle was uninjured although the car he was in was picked up by the force of the wreck and turned around so that it was thrown across the track.  A pail of milk, which was in the car was not even overturned while the car was cavorting around like one of the young heifers.  A dog which was in the car added his howling to the noise of the smashing timbers and the boy who was tending the cattle was more interested in quieting the dog for fear that he would stampede the cattle than he was in fear of personal danger.
  ------
  ["...riding in the car with some cattle...."  I have heard of drover cabooses on some western railroads where the drovers could ride while accompanying a shipment of cattle or sheep, but in the car with cattle?  And, a boy at that!]

  Gordon Hamilton


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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Sep 30 13:53:46 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:53:46 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Huge rocks
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Would anybody care to speculate how dangerous it was to travel by rail "back in the day". I've seen so many articles (thank you Gordon and others) now about train wrecks, malicious vandalism, fights, shootings, etc. Was train travel just that much more dangerous in general around 1910, or was it the areas served by the N&W railroad resembled the "Wild West"? Or maybe it was that so many more people traveled by railroads?

Mike Weeks
Greenville NC


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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
March 8, 1910
 
FREIGHT TRAIN CRASHES INTO TWO HUGE ROCKS
-------
Tracks Near Ada Badly Torn Up And May Not be Cleared Before Afternoon
 
    Nathan Neal, colored, was slightly injured in a wreck which occurred one mile west of Ada last night about 8 o'clock.  Eight cars were thrown crossways on the track and two cars overturned.  Engine 1057 [M1, 4-8-0, Richmond 1907], with Hugh Carney at the throttle and Fireman T. S. Simmons plunged into two rocks weighing a ton or more each, which had rolled off the bank on the track directly in front of the train.  The engineer did not see them until he was within three or four car lengths and although he applied his air as quickly as possible, the engine went ploughing into the obstructions, but only suffered the loss of its pilot.  Neal, who was injured, was standing on top of a car near the engine and when he saw what was happening he jumped, spraining his back.  If the engineer and fireman had jumped they might have been killed.  As it was both stuck to their posts and came out unharmed.
    The rocks must have fallen some time before the train came along as a farmer who lived nearby saw them on the track and was putting on his clothes to go out and warn the train men of the danger when suddenly the headlight of a freight came in sight and the wreck occurred.
    Dr. Cornett was put on a special engine to the scene of the wreck to attend to Neal's injuries, but they were so slight that he was able to go to his home on No. 16.
    Train No. 3 was delayed by the wreck and it was necessary to transfer passengers to train No. 14 while No. 3 went back to Roanoke as No. 16 and No. 16 came west as No. 3.
    The wreck was one of the worst small wrecks the road ever had.  The track was badly torn up and estimates last night said that the east bound track would be cleared and repaired by 7 o'clock this morning while the westbound track cannot be cleared and repaired before the middle of the afternoon.
    A boy who was riding in the car with some cattle was uninjured although the car he was in was picked up by the force of the wreck and turned around so that it was thrown across the track.  A pail of milk, which was in the car was not even overturned while the car was cavorting around like one of the young heifers.  A dog which was in the car added his howling to the noise of the smashing timbers and the boy who was tending the cattle was more interested in quieting the dog for fear that he would stampede the cattle than he was in fear of personal danger.
------
["...riding in the car with some cattle...."  I have heard of drover cabooses on some western railroads where the drovers could ride while accompanying a shipment of cattle or sheep, but in the car with cattle?  And, a boy at that!]
 
Gordon Hamilton

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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Sep 30 16:01:26 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:01:26 -0400
Subject: Long awaited book from TLC
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Some of you might be interested in information I just received from Tom
Dixon at TLC.  The  N&W Y-Class book has arrived and he is beginning to mail
them now, expecting to have the many backorders in the mail next two weeks.
They should also be available in stores soon, or directly from TLC.

I'm looking forward to it.

Frank Bongiovanni
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Sep 30 17:00:27 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:00:27 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Huge rocks
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Imagine reading about automobile travel 100 years from now:
road rage, car-jackings, massive interstate pile-ups....

We are likely getting glimpses of the extraordinary and not the ordinary.

Toney Minter
Green Bank WV

NW Mailing List wrote:
> Would anybody care to speculate how dangerous it was to travel by rail "back
> in the day". I've seen so many articles (thank you Gordon and others) now
> about train wrecks, malicious vandalism, fights, shootings, etc. Was train
> travel just that much more dangerous in general around 1910, or was it the
> areas served by the N&W railroad resembled the "Wild West"? Or maybe it was
> that so many more people traveled by railroads?
>
> Mike Weeks
> Greenville NC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org on behalf of NW Mailing List
> Sent: Tue 9/29/2009 2:27 PM
> To: 3N&W Mailing List
> Subject: N&W in 1910--Huge rocks
>
> Bluefield Daily Telegraph
> March 8, 1910
>
> FREIGHT TRAIN CRASHES INTO TWO HUGE ROCKS
> -------
> Tracks Near Ada Badly Torn Up And May Not be Cleared Before Afternoon
>
>     Nathan Neal, colored, was slightly injured in a wreck which occurred one
> mile west of Ada last night about 8 o'clock.  Eight cars were thrown
> crossways on the track and two cars overturned.  Engine 1057 [M1, 4-8-0,
> Richmond 1907], with Hugh Carney at the throttle and Fireman T. S. Simmons
> plunged into two rocks weighing a ton or more each, which had rolled off
> the bank on the track directly in front of the train.  The engineer did
> not see them until he was within three or four car lengths and although he
> applied his air as quickly as possible, the engine went ploughing into the
> obstructions, but only suffered the loss of its pilot.  Neal, who was
> injured, was standing on top of a car near the engine and when he saw what
> was happening he jumped, spraining his back.  If the engineer and fireman
> had jumped they might have been killed.  As it was both stuck to their
> posts and came out unharmed.
>     The rocks must have fallen some time before the train came along as a
> farmer who lived nearby saw them on the track and was putting on his
> clothes to go out and warn the train men of the danger when suddenly the
> headlight of a freight came in sight and the wreck occurred.
>     Dr. Cornett was put on a special engine to the scene of the wreck to
> attend to Neal's injuries, but they were so slight that he was able to go
> to his home on No. 16.
>     Train No. 3 was delayed by the wreck and it was necessary to transfer
> passengers to train No. 14 while No. 3 went back to Roanoke as No. 16 and
> No. 16 came west as No. 3.
>     The wreck was one of the worst small wrecks the road ever had.  The track
> was badly torn up and estimates last night said that the east bound track
> would be cleared and repaired by 7 o'clock this morning while the
> westbound track cannot be cleared and repaired before the middle of the
> afternoon.
>     A boy who was riding in the car with some cattle was uninjured although
> the car he was in was picked up by the force of the wreck and turned
> around so that it was thrown across the track.  A pail of milk, which was
> in the car was not even overturned while the car was cavorting around like
> one of the young heifers.  A dog which was in the car added his howling to
> the noise of the smashing timbers and the boy who was tending the cattle
> was more interested in quieting the dog for fear that he would stampede
> the cattle than he was in fear of personal danger.
> ------
> ["...riding in the car with some cattle...."  I have heard of drover cabooses
> on some western railroads where the drovers could ride while accompanying a
> shipment of cattle or sheep, but in the car with cattle?  And, a boy at that!]
>
> Gordon Hamilton
>
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Wed Sep 30 20:41:37 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:41:37 EDT
Subject: Long awaited book from TLC
Message-ID: <c2c.672a9237.37f554c1@aol.com>



In a message dated 9/30/2009 4:54:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes:

They should also be available in stores soon,  or directly from TLC.
 
Also available from the Commissary. All Commissary back orders will  be 
shipped by end of week except overseas orders which will be shipped by end of  
next week. All US orders should be received by 10/15/09. After that date 
contact  the Commissary if you have not received your backorder.
 
Commissary Czar
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:34:57 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Huge rocks
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Mike,
 I grew up in Boone County in the southern WV coalfields between Charleston (the capital city) and Logan.  The area was served by both the N&W and the C&O.  Based on the stories told by the "old-timers" as I was growing up, most of that area of the state was "wide open" during the early 1900s.  And this area is where a lot of the violence took place during miner union organizing.   If you have a chance to see the movie "Matewan" it is not far from the truth.  It is a popular legend in southern WV that the railroad town of Thurmond hosted a poker game that was in continuous play for over ten years as various players came in and out of the game.

The danger wasn't just limited to rail travel.  It was just a dangerous place to live.  My grandfather was the manager of a company store for years in a small town in southern Boone County.  For the first few years that the town existed the only access to the town was by rail.  There were no roads.

Rick Huddle
N&WHS #3689 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Subject: RE: N&W in 1910--Huge rocks


  Would anybody care to speculate how dangerous it was to travel by rail "back in the day". I've seen so many articles (thank you Gordon and others) now about train wrecks, malicious vandalism, fights, shootings, etc. Was train travel just that much more dangerous in general around 1910, or was it the areas served by the N&W railroad resembled the "Wild West"? Or maybe it was that so many more people traveled by railroads?

  Mike Weeks
  Greenville NC


  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: Tue 9/29/2009 2:27 PM
  To: 3N&W Mailing List
  Subject: N&W in 1910--Huge rocks
   
  Bluefield Daily Telegraph
  March 8, 1910
   
  FREIGHT TRAIN CRASHES INTO TWO HUGE ROCKS
  -------
  Tracks Near Ada Badly Torn Up And May Not be Cleared Before Afternoon
   
      Nathan Neal, colored, was slightly injured in a wreck which occurred one mile west of Ada last night about 8 o'clock.  Eight cars were thrown crossways on the track and two cars overturned.  Engine 1057 [M1, 4-8-0, Richmond 1907], with Hugh Carney at the throttle and Fireman T. S. Simmons plunged into two rocks weighing a ton or more each, which had rolled off the bank on the track directly in front of the train.  The engineer did not see them until he was within three or four car lengths and although he applied his air as quickly as possible, the engine went ploughing into the obstructions, but only suffered the loss of its pilot.  Neal, who was injured, was standing on top of a car near the engine and when he saw what was happening he jumped, spraining his back.  If the engineer and fireman had jumped they might have been killed.  As it was both stuck to their posts and came out unharmed.
      The rocks must have fallen some time before the train came along as a farmer who lived nearby saw them on the track and was putting on his clothes to go out and warn the train men of the danger when suddenly the headlight of a freight came in sight and the wreck occurred.
      Dr. Cornett was put on a special engine to the scene of the wreck to attend to Neal's injuries, but they were so slight that he was able to go to his home on No. 16.
      Train No. 3 was delayed by the wreck and it was necessary to transfer passengers to train No. 14 while No. 3 went back to Roanoke as No. 16 and No. 16 came west as No. 3.
      The wreck was one of the worst small wrecks the road ever had.  The track was badly torn up and estimates last night said that the east bound track would be cleared and repaired by 7 o'clock this morning while the westbound track cannot be cleared and repaired before the middle of the afternoon.
      A boy who was riding in the car with some cattle was uninjured although the car he was in was picked up by the force of the wreck and turned around so that it was thrown across the track.  A pail of milk, which was in the car was not even overturned while the car was cavorting around like one of the young heifers.  A dog which was in the car added his howling to the noise of the smashing timbers and the boy who was tending the cattle was more interested in quieting the dog for fear that he would stampede the cattle than he was in fear of personal danger.
  ------
  ["...riding in the car with some cattle...."  I have heard of drover cabooses on some western railroads where the drovers could ride while accompanying a shipment of cattle or sheep, but in the car with cattle?  And, a boy at that!]
   
  Gordon Hamilton

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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Oct  1 08:33:28 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:33:28 -0400
Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren
Message-ID: <4AC4A198.8000708@vt.edu>

Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with a dozen of the
Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. We signed a "Get Well" card
for Landon Gregory, VGN operator and retired Chief Dispatcher NS Virginia
Division, who is recovering from a recent hip replacement.

We finalized plans for our "Road Trip" this Saturday to Victoria to be with
the fellow Virginian Brethren at the town's 100 year anniversary celebration.

We discussed last Saturday's Roanoke Chapter NRHS Open House that several
of the Brethren attended. I presented two photos taken of our waitress
Susan Reed who had a great time riding on both of the trains that were
running on Saturday. Raymond East, while riding on the rear of our caboose
on Saturday, showed me the very spot near the 9th Street Bridge and the
Silk Mill lead, where VGN brakeman Paul Nicewander lost his life, while
switching out cars there.

Eddie Mooneyham, Roanoke Chapter NRHS Vice President joined us and brought
three items for "show and tell": a VGN short globed red lantern #K 766 of
4-1934; a builder's plate off MC 478 that H. Reid himself rescued, and a
very interesting PRR ticket from 1894.

Passed around was Gordon Hamilton's item from Mullens newspaper of
10-1-1947 showing VGN officials and part of the interior of what apparently
is a VGN observation car. This clipping was donated to the N&W (and VGN)
Historical Society by a Princeton High School classmate of Gordon's, Louise
Mills Alexander, daughter of VGN official Berkeley Mills.

Also passed around was a "letter to the editor" by our friend Don Corbin
suggesting the same thing I told the VGN Station Committee when we first
started talking about uses for the Station several years ago: "Why not
repair it with an eye toward using it as it was intended: a passenger
station? Could it be used to help entice Amtrak to come here?"...

The first video shown was of NS Business Special train #952 passing through
Salem on Monday. The consist was: A-B-B-A NS locos 4270, 4276, 4275 and
4271; NS Business Cars #7 "Pennsylaania", NS #2 "Carolina", NS #13
"Georgia", NS #21 "West Virginia", NS #1 "Virginia", NS #19 "Kentucky";
Super dome NS #24 "Delaware" and Observation Car NS #23 "Buena Vista". This
was the quietest and best painted train I have ever seen, bar none! Ruf
said "the only thing that would make it better would be to replace the
tuxedo Southern style units with a VGN EL-2B!"

Traveling to the restaurant last night, Ruf and I discussed the names of
VGN switching jobs along what the Brethren called "Wheat Street", a track
off the VGN main line east of JK and north toward downtown. He recalled
Bova Distributing (beer), Holdren's (refrigerators and stoves), Junkyard
(scrap iron), Southern States (farm supplies),one coal tipple, and
Heironimus Warehouse (department store in Roanoke). He also recalled the
Stauffer Chemical Co. that took a tank car each day from the Silk Mill.
They refined the contents, and some sort of salt was picked up there in box
cars afterwards.

Yesterday I interviewed George Raymond East for our video series of the
Brethren, that will be shown in the Depot after restoration. Raymond and I
started shooting at his home in Hunting Hills in Roanoke and shot at the
locations of "George's Beanery", VGN Station, "JK" Tower, "Wheat Street",
VGN cab #322 at 9th Street, and Virginia Museum of Transportation. Last
night I could not resist showing what I think may be the "keystone" shot of
my video collection so far. I filmed Raymond, who started with the VGN at
Victoria as a fireman, beside VGN SA 0-8-0 switch engine #4 at VMT, the
only remaining example of VGN Steam Power. He told about firing this
locomotive for two weeks at Suffolk and working the peanut plants there.

Raymond and I stopped at his favorite "watering hole", Hardy's Restaurant
near Tanglewood Mall. I got a ham and egg buscuit and orange juice; he got
a sausage and egg biscuit, coffee and a straw. I recalled wondering if he
was going to drink that coffee through the straw, something I had never
seen before. What I saw next was even better. He took the straw, and "field
dressed" the inside of that biscuit "to remove all of the cholesterol from it!"

Time to pull the pin on this one!

Departing Now from V248,

Skip Salmon

=============


From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Oct  1 10:20:24 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:20:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Crossing gates
Message-ID: <315594.26485.qm@web111203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Did the N&W or now NS show a preference for the type or manufacturer of crossing gates used? ?Are they the railroad?s or highway dept's?responsibility?
Mike Shockley


      
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Subject: N&W in 1910--Huge rocks
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-----Original Message-----
From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 1:53 pm
Subject: RE: N&W in 1910--Huge rocks



Would anybody care to speculate how dangerous it was to travel by rail "back in 
the day". I've seen so many articles (thank you Gordon and others) now about 
train wrecks, malicious vandalism, fights, shootings, etc. Was train travel just 
that much more dangerous in general around 1910, or was it the areas served by 
the N&W railroad resembled the "Wild West"? Or maybe it was that so many more 
people traveled by railroads?

Mike Weeks
Greenville NC


Mike:

Sabotage existed on the N&W beyond 1910.  On April 21, 1932, No 4 Eng 133

passed a "clear" signal at the west end of Union (Ohio) middle track, entered

a switch lined to the middle track and turned over.  Investigation revealed

that someone had manipulated the bond wires so that the reversed turnout failed

to shunt the signal.   C&O's Limeville Bridge crosses over N&W east of 

Portsmouth.  During World War II, a Nazi sabotage group had targeted that

structure for demolition (along with Horseshoe Curve and others).  Whether or

not N&W would have been affected, I can't say.  U-boats had put the demolition

party ashore near Jupiter Inlet, FL and on Long Island, but they were discovered.

                          Harry Bundy  



    



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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:27:54 -0400
Subject: Long awaited book from TLC
Message-ID: <4AC502BA.5060909@vt.edu>

Okay!!  Hopefully Volume 2 of the Southern Railway diesel book that Curt 
Tillotson was working on will be coming soon.

Jeffrey Morfit

> Some of you might be interested in information I just received from Tom Dixon at TLC.  The  N&W Y-Class book has arrived and he is beginning to mail them now, expecting to have the many backorders in the mail next two weeks.  They should also be available in stores soon, or directly from TLC.
>  
> I'm looking forward to it. 
>  
> Frank Bongiovanni


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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:44:10 -0400
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Oct  1 22:15:28 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:15:28 -0400
Subject: Victoria 100-year Celebration and annual Gathering of former
	Virginian Railway Employees
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Don't forget that the town of Victoria will be having their 
Centennial Celebration this Saturday, October 3.

More information at  http://centennial.victoriava.net/events.html

Ron Davis


From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Thu Oct  1 22:31:11 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:31:11 -0400
Subject: Virginian in 1910--Winding Gulf
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
March 13, 1910

ONLY TEN CARS DAILY
------
But Winding Gulf Coal Shipments Will Soon be Much Larger

    The Virginian Railway, according to some trade papers, is shipping thousands of tons of coal from the Winding Gulf daily, but information received in this city yesterday brings the total down to ten cars daily.  It is expected, however, that in the course of a month the road will be carrying twenty-five cars a day from the Winding Gulf.  There are no coke ovens on the Gulf so all the shipments are of coal.  The Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad [sic] has graded within seven and one-half miles of Mullens and it is reported that the road is going to run into Mullens, but nothing definite can be learned.  Mullen, although small, expects to be a  prosperous town some of these days.
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Gordon Hamilton
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Fri Oct  2 06:26:11 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 06:26:11 -0400
Subject: Crossing gates
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The state pays for the installation of a new crossing.  Then it
becomes the railroad's responsibility from then on to maintain it,
test it, and keep it working.

The oldest equipment I know of was the Magnetic Flagman, more commonly
known as the wig-wag signal.  As for gate mechanisms and flashing
lights, they used Western Railroad Supply (WRRS) quite a bit, as
there's still some of that equipment out there.  They also used some
Union Switch & Signal crossing equipment, Western Cullen Hayes, and
Safetran.

NS is currently using Safetran for its crossing equipment.

Ben Blevins


On 10/1/09, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> Did the N&W or now NS show a preference for the type or manufacturer of
> crossing gates used? ?Are they the railroad?s or highway
> dept's?responsibility?
> Mike Shockley
>
>
>

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Fri Oct  2 21:04:53 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:04:53 -0400
Subject: RR radios
Message-ID: <1AA197FAA8D44ECAB5A9D4D764FF875A@DellVostro>

This question is for the radio experts out there.  I read in Railway Age magazine where the FCC is requiring railroads and other commercial communications shift to narrow-band radios (shift from 25 kHz to 12.5 kHz) by 2013, with the possibility that the FCC soon will require a shift to "narrow-narrowband" (6.25kHz), or all-digital radios.

What effect will these changes have the decade-or-so old scanners that some of us have?

Gordon Hamilton
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From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:10:38 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Dumps Creek branch
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
March 13, 1910

RUSHING BRIDGE WORK
------
    The Dumps Creek extension of the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio Railway [Became N&W's Dumps Creek branch in 1956.] will be shipping coal over the new rails by March 23.  This statement was made last night by a gentleman who is close to the management of the road and who should know.  At Present the forces at work on the extension are busy with bridge work.  Six miles of grading have been completed and three miles of track has been laid.  This work will connect the road with the Norfolk and Western at Kiser [Renamed Carbo somewhere in 1919-1920.] from which point the Norfolk and Western tracks will be used as far as St. Paul.  From  that point south the road will use its own rails until it reaches Spartanburg.
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Gordon Hamilton
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sat Oct  3 07:54:30 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 07:54:30 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Dumps Creek branch
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I always wondered why the area north of Carbo was called Clinchfield.
That makes sense now.

Sandy Ridge tunnel on the branch was also N&W's longest, wasn't it?

Ben Blevins


On 10/2/09, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> Bluefield Daily Telegraph
> March 13, 1910
>
> RUSHING BRIDGE WORK
> ------
>     The Dumps Creek extension of the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio Railway
> [Became N&W's Dumps Creek branch in 1956.] will be shipping coal over the
> new rails by March 23.  This statement was made last night by a gentleman
> who is close to the management of the road and who should know.  At Present
> the forces at work on the extension are busy with bridge work.  Six miles of
> grading have been completed and three miles of track has been laid.  This
> work will connect the road with the Norfolk and Western at Kiser [Renamed
> Carbo somewhere in 1919-1920.] from which point the Norfolk and Western
> tracks will be used as far as St. Paul.  From  that point south the road
> will use its own rails until it reaches Spartanburg.
> ------
> Gordon Hamilton

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sat Oct  3 16:11:20 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:11:20 -0400
Subject: Fw: photo of NS battery-powered locomotive
Message-ID: <4AC7AFE8.1050808@vt.edu>

Anybody know anything about this loco.

-- Tom Anson

[moderator]
   See NS #999 at railpictures.net
http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=299004

From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Oct  4 05:07:22 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 05:07:22 -0400
Subject: I guess Tom Dixon doesn't subscribe...
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...to the N&WHS "Mailing-List". 

If he did, he would have seen the discussion we had and known that the picture in his new Y book of #2177 was actually taken as it crossed over Rt.43 just north of Buchanan, Va. on the "Shenandoah Div." just south of MP213.

Oh well, it was mislabeled in Mr. Warden's original Y book also.
Jimmy Lisle
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Oct  4 11:23:58 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:23:58 EDT
Subject: NW Bicentennial Info Needed
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Hello,
 
I am currently upgrading my HO119 N&W Bicentennial set. Currently the  set 
will letter two SD-45's in that scheme. We are changing the set to do only  
one locomotive, but we are adding the hopper, caboose and trailer.
 
I have the information I need for the trailer. It is at the VA Museum  of 
Transportation and other than some graffiti it still has all of the original  
graphics. I am also covered on the caboose.
 
What I need is information of the hopper. If anyone has perpendicular  side 
or end shots they would be willing to share I would be grateful.  Copies of 
drawings would also work. Does anyone know if they are  available in the 
archives?
 
Sincerely,
 
Richard D. Shell
ShellScale Decals
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Oct  4 19:13:13 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:13:13 -0400
Subject: Crossing gates
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While we're on the subject, my memory growing up in Farmville during the 
1950's and 1960's is that the flashing lights on crossing gates then were 
neon tubes that ran the length of the gate.  Sections of clear glass 
alternated with sections that were painted black.  Of course, they flashed 
red in the clear sections.  Can anyone corroborate this, or is my memory 
faulty.

Thanks,

Sam Putney


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From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: Crossing gates


The state pays for the installation of a new crossing.  Then it
becomes the railroad's responsibility from then on to maintain it,
test it, and keep it working.

The oldest equipment I know of was the Magnetic Flagman, more commonly
known as the wig-wag signal.  As for gate mechanisms and flashing
lights, they used Western Railroad Supply (WRRS) quite a bit, as
there's still some of that equipment out there.  They also used some
Union Switch & Signal crossing equipment, Western Cullen Hayes, and
Safetran.

NS is currently using Safetran for its crossing equipment.

Ben Blevins


On 10/1/09, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> Did the N&W or now NS show a preference for the type or manufacturer of
> crossing gates used? Are they the railroad?s or highway
> dept's responsibility?
> Mike Shockley
>
>
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Oct  4 22:06:19 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:06:19 -0400
Subject: Lumber company in BS&C territory in 1910
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
March 16, 1910

STEEL RAILS
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Replacing Wooden Ones on Track of Lumber Company

    The C. L. Ritter Lumber Company, Inc., is rushing work on its Virginia plant and is replacing as fast as possible all the wooden track which it inherited from the Yellow Poplar Lumber Company, which it recently bought out.  The old company had Fifty-four miles of wooden rails and it is the intention of the new company to replace this track as rapidly as circumstances demand with steel rails.  The company will also go down Dismal about seventeen miles to reach a large tract of timber.  The company's offices are at Huntington, W. Va., while its working plant is now located at Whitewood, Va.  The C. L. Ritter Lumber Company, the Rockcastle Lumber Company and the Tug River Lumber Company have joint offices in Huntington.
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[I have seen old pictures of wooden track lumber railroads, but I never had any idea that there would be 54 miles of such track in one operation.  The attached picture of a C. L. Ritter Climax locomotive at Whitewood is from the collection of C. T. Stoner, and is presented here by courtesy of climaxlocomotives.com.  It appears to be on wooden rails.  Whitewood is in Buchanan County, Virginia, on Dismal Creek in an area that was remote in 1910, so it would be interesting to know how the lumber from that plant got to market.  According to Blackstock and Wilson's article in the July/August issue of The Arrow, W. M. Ritter's Big Sandy and Cumberland narrow gauge railroad reached Matney on Slate Creek in 1910, and Matney would be only three to four miles north of the C. L. Ritter line down Dismal Creek.  Could there have been a connection over the divide between Dismal and Slate creeks for C. L. Ritter lumber to go out on the BS&C?  Incidentally, the C. L. Ritter Lumber Co. is still in existence in Huntington according to the websites such as  www.manta.com. ]

Gordon Hamilton
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Oct  4 17:10:11 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:10:11 -0400
Subject: N&W in 1910--Etiquette
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
March 16, 1910

NO SWEARING ON TRAIN
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    W. P. Fisher Tells of Gun Incident on Clinch Valley Sunday

    W. P. Fisher, of Richlands, was in the city last night and gave out a statement of the facts connected with the dispute which arose Sunday on a Clinch Valley train at which time he and C. W. Boyd both drew guns.  Mr. Fisher feels that the public is entitled to a true version of the affair and says that in January some contention arose between him and Boyd over a settlement in the law office of Chapman Alderage, at Richlands.  At this time some threats were made, Fisher says, by Boyd, but no altercation took place owing to the interference of friends.
    On Sunday last Fisher had started to Big Stone Gap to serve some legal papers and took the train at Richlands.  Boyd also boarded the train at that point.  Fisher got on the rear car and walked out into the vestibule where a lady and gentleman were standing.  Just before the train arrived at Sword's Creek, Fisher heard some one gritting his teeth behind him and turning around he saw Boyd.  Fisher then turned and walked to the front of the car, sitting down in the fifth seat from the door.  Just before the train arrived at Shoffner where Boyd is employed, Fisher glanced around and saw Boyd coming with a man by the name of Miles Hearn who had hold of him.  Boyd was trying to get to shoot Fisher and had a gun in his hand, saying let me get to him.  Fisher then rose up with his gun in his hand.  In the meantime Hearn pushed Boyd out of the door.  A man by the name of Orthenreld, stepped up to Fisher and said to him, "here, this will never do."  Fisher deliberately turned around and walked away, stating that he did not want any trouble.  Fisher says there was no swearing on his part, and he apologized to the ladies on the train for the affair.
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From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org  Sun Oct  4 19:19:40 2009
From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:19:40 -0400
Subject: I guess Tom Dixon doesn't subscribe...
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My recollection is that in several of his publications, Bill Warden labeled any photo whose location he couldn't remember as taken at Blue Ridge.  Bless Bill.  He took some great photos, but is memory and record-keeping must have been a bit sketchy.

Sam Putney

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  Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 5:07 AM
  Subject: I guess Tom Dixon doesn't subscribe...


  ...to the N&WHS "Mailing-List". 

  If he did, he would have seen the discussion we had and known that the picture in his new Y book of #2177 was actually taken as it crossed over Rt.43 just north of Buchanan, Va. on the "Shenandoah Div." just south of MP213.

  Oh well, it was mislabeled in Mr. Warden's original Y book also.
  Jimmy Lisle


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