From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Oct 12 11:57:06 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:57:06 -0400 Subject: N&W and VGN in 1910--Employees Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph March 27, 1910 RAILROADING HEALTHY ------ Government Compilations Show Relative Liability of Various Workers To Disease Compilations have been made, from government reports, showing the relative liability to disease of the employes in various trades. According to the returns so far tabulated by the census bureau, the occupation of the steam railroad employe is the healthiest of all. In a long list of maladies, the only one to which the railroad employe is more liable than the workers in manufacturing or agricultural trades is typhoid fever, and to this he is far less liable than are the workers classed as "laborers." The figures show that the railroad man is far less liable to consumption [tuberculosis] than the workers in the manufacturing and mechanical industries. Heart disease and pneumonia are rarer among railroad employes than any other working men. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Oct 12 15:06:00 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:06:00 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Telegraphers Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph March 30, 1910 TELEGRAPHERS GET INCREASE IN WAGES ------ Differences With Norfolk and Western Adjusted in Conference at Roanoke Yesterday ------ TELEPHONE AND KEY MEN ON SAME FOOTING ------ Exact Details Not Known But Understood That Based on Sliding Scale Men Will Get Advance Equal to Eight and Four Per Cent ------ FIREMEN MEET OFFICIALS BUT AGREEMENT IS NOT REACHED The Norfolk and Western, represented by Vice President and General Manager N. D. Maher, met the committee from the O. R. T. yesterday at Roanoke and as a result of the conference the telegraphers received a substantial increase, the exact scope of which cannot be learned. It is understood, however, that, based on a sliding scale, the men will receive an increase equal to eight and four per cent. Members of the O. R. T. who know about the result claim that all are well pleased and aver that the meeting between Mr. Maher and the committee was very friendly. The men are especially well pleased with the stand taken by Mr. Johnson, president of the road, as it is said that the friendly settlement was mainly brought about by his mediation. It is understood that under the new agreement the telephone and telegraph men will be on the same basis, and as this was a much discussed point, the fact that an agreement was reached makes this result all the more satisfactory, as it will prevent any future differences arising between the men and the company. The members of the committee will close up a few minor matters today and will then leave Roanoke for their homes. As far as can be learned neither side claims a victory, being satisfied that friendly terms have been agreed upon, and as this is what both sides were looking for, there is mutual satisfaction. It is understood that the firemen met yesterday with the officials but as far as can be leaned no agreement has yet been reached. They will meet again today and it is possible that the matter will be closed this week. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Oct 13 19:18:46 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Model Railroad Open House Message-ID: <1973076084.5162701255475926211.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> My layout will be open for the going home tours of the NMRA, MER Convention in Hagerstown, MD on Sunday, October 18, 2009 from 1-5 pm.? The layout features N&W's Shenandoah Valley Line between Front Royal and Waynesboro, VA, circa 1956, in HO scale. I am located in western Howard County, just south of I-70 on MD Rt. 97 in Glenwood, MD. 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The last three railroads were likely the C&O to Deepwater, the Virginian to Matoaka, and the N&W to Bluestone Junction (and another N&W train to Welch).] ------ Addition to Freight Depot Carpenters were at work yesterday making an addition to the local freight depot. The company has plans for a new station which will considerably enlarge the present building. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Oct 14 14:04:01 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Clarke County museum In-Reply-To: <9A9FCE88107141DF84618548D84A439F@janePC> Message-ID: <869261.84324.qm@web30102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> clarke county museum Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:02 PM From: "jane radford" To: "Frank Scheer" ? Hi Frank, We are heading towards the finish line for OUR LAND IS OUR LEGACY (11/12 opening!), and I'm looking for moving footage of the early trains that came up the Shenandoah Valley. Any suggestions for sources of historic footage that would be accurage for Clarke County circa 1880 - 1900-?? Steam, yes? Do you have a public source? I think you advised me earlier on this, and I apologize for asking again. Many TX, Jane Radford October 14, 2009 Good afternoon, Jane: There are no public domain video sources that I know of. Also, I am unaware of any early film footage of trains on the Shenandoah Division other than that which is available on POCAHOTAS GLORY - Volume 3 DVD which is circa 1950s. The DVD is awailable from the N&W Historical Society's "Commissary." You'll need to contact the DVD producer to discuss licensing of video segments for the Clarke County Historical Society's musueum display. If anyone else in the society has other suggestions, they will contasct you off line at radford at hughes.net . Good luck, Frank Scheer f_scheer at yahoo.com From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Oct 14 16:21:48 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:21:48 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery Message-ID: <3AD71457CF7240959B74C9B045F4D88B@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph March 30, 1910 SUSPECTED OF ROBBERY OF MAIL CRANE ------ Man Alleged to Have Been a Partner of Kentucky Joe is Under Arrest At Keystone The Keystone police have a man named Thurman Givens under arrest on suspicion of knowing something about the stealing of a mail sack from the mail crane at Eckman on the night of February 26th. The man denies that he had anything to do with the robbery and rifling of the sack but admits that he was asleep in a coke oven nearby the night the robbery occurred. When arrested he gave his name as Sam Spaulding, but since that time it has been found that he also goes under the name of Jack Perdue, although Givens is his correct name. He is alleged to have been a partner of Kentucky Joe, who was arrested in the west end yards about a year ago and who was a notorious postoffice robber. He also, it is said, was a pal of Fatty Dorn, who admitted robbing the postoffice at Tip Top. Red Cunningham, who was also arrested at that time, has been seen in and around Keystone since the rifling of the mail sack, and on account of his former connections with the postoffice robberies it is believed that he had a hand in the matter. Cunningham has also made several attempts to see Givens while he has been in jail. Kentucky Joe, it will be remembered, was one of a gang which held out at Meg Lowe's at Tazewell, and Kentucky Joe was the only one of that bunch who got away. He came to this city where he was picked up by Officer Howell and Special Officer A. M. Wade. He is now serving time in the federal prison at Atlanta. The mail sack which was robbed at Eckman was hanging on the crane where it was placed by the postmaster. No. 16 was an hour and three-quarters late that night and while no one was around the sack was stolen, rifled and the letters and sack cut up and thrown in the Elkhorn creek. ------ [The names of these people sound like characters from a Damon Runyon novel.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Oct 14 17:34:55 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:34:55 -0400 Subject: Request, Clarke County Historical Association Message-ID: <0A0083AC19AC43C3A217766B83B14519@DellVostro> In regard to the request listed below from Jane Radford, who is working on a museum for the Clarke County Historical Association, does anyone know of a movie of a Shenandoah Division steam train other than the one cited by Frank Scheer? Gordon Hamilton Jane Radford wrote: Cultural Communications is producing a museum for the Clarke County Historical Association in Berryville, Virginia. We met Frank earlier in the research process, as we looked for images and artifacts of the railroad in Clarke County. I recently inquired about moving footage, specifically: "footage of a train, "steaming up the Shenandoah Valley" (or something similar) to be included in a video program within the exhibits. The Clarke County Historical Association, our client, and Cultural Communications are both non-commercial, educational, non- profit organizations. There will be no charge for admission when the museum opens November 12th." Frank replied ... October 14, 2009 Good afternoon, Jane: There are no public domain video sources that I know of. Also, I am unaware of any early film footage of trains on the Shenandoah Division other than that which is available on POCAHOTAS GLORY - Volume 3 DVD which is circa 1950s. The DVD is awailable from the N&W Historical Society's "Commissary." You'll need to contact the DVD producer to discuss licensing of video segments for the Clarke County Historical Society's musueum display. If anyone else in the society has other suggestions, they will contasct you off line at radford at hughes.net . Good luck, Frank Scheer f_scheer at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Oct 14 19:45:04 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:45:04 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery References: <3AD71457CF7240959B74C9B045F4D88B@DellVostro> Message-ID: <000f01ca4d28$5bc7ece0$6500a8c0@Dad> Sounds like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid meet O Brother, Where Art Thou! Sam Putney ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery Bluefield Daily Telegraph March 30, 1910 SUSPECTED OF ROBBERY OF MAIL CRANE ------ Man Alleged to Have Been a Partner of Kentucky Joe is Under Arrest At Keystone The Keystone police have a man named Thurman Givens under arrest on suspicion of knowing something about the stealing of a mail sack from the mail crane at Eckman on the night of February 26th. The man denies that he had anything to do with the robbery and rifling of the sack but admits that he was asleep in a coke oven nearby the night the robbery occurred. When arrested he gave his name as Sam Spaulding, but since that time it has been found that he also goes under the name of Jack Perdue, although Givens is his correct name. He is alleged to have been a partner of Kentucky Joe, who was arrested in the west end yards about a year ago and who was a notorious postoffice robber. He also, it is said, was a pal of Fatty Dorn, who admitted robbing the postoffice at Tip Top. Red Cunningham, who was also arrested at that time, has been seen in and around Keystone since the rifling of the mail sack, and on account of his former connections with the postoffice robberies it is believed that he had a hand in the matter. Cunningham has also made several attempts to see Givens while he has been in jail. Kentucky Joe, it will be remembered, was one of a gang which held out at Meg Lowe's at Tazewell, and Kentucky Joe was the only one of that bunch who got away. He came to this city where he was picked up by Officer Howell and Special Officer A. M. Wade. He is now serving time in the federal prison at Atlanta. The mail sack which was robbed at Eckman was hanging on the crane where it was placed by the postmaster. No. 16 was an hour and three-quarters late that night and while no one was around the sack was stolen, rifled and the letters and sack cut up and thrown in the Elkhorn creek. ------ [The names of these people sound like characters from a Damon Runyon novel.] Gordon Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Oct 14 21:45:55 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Request for RR footage for the Clarke County museum Message-ID: <211316.56683.qm@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We are producing a museum for the Clarke County Historical Association in Berryville, Virginia. The museum portrays 400 years of history, with an emphasis on the land. An important part of this history concerns the railroad. We would like to include footage of a train, "steaming up the Shenandoah Valley" (or something similar) in a video program to be included in the exhibits. This is a non-commercial, educational, non-profit organization, and there is no charge for admission. Would you have moving footage that we could use in our exhibit video? [Note: Gordon Hamilton may have already posted this request] Many thanks for your time, Best, Jane Radford Senior Exhibit Planner Cultural Communications, Inc. 2008 Morgans Mill Rd Bluemont, VA 20135 540/955-3822 radford at hughes.net From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Oct 14 22:26:31 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:26:31 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery -- great names and movies -- PLUS Dead Bodies on the N&W Main Line In MAC Dowell County, WV!! In-Reply-To: <000f01ca4d28$5bc7ece0$6500a8c0@Dad> References: <3AD71457CF7240959B74C9B045F4D88B@DellVostro> Message-ID: Sam & Gordon, You are so right about those below names, Gordon, and, Sam, about the "meeting" of the two famous movies you cited, Sam!! Say, Gordon, my ex-wife's Grandfather, a for-real circuit-riding Methodist Minister in McDowell County around and about 1900-1910 told me that at least one dead body -- usually male, I am sure -- was found in the deep cut between Keystone and North Fork every Sunday or Monday morning after the body was tossed there to be run over by any train whatsoever. The poor man was probably the bad loser of a poker game -- and since there was probably nothing but a rutted wagon road between these two municipalities -- the railroad track was the logical place to dispose of such a body. You ever come across any such incidents in Our "Bluefield Daily Telegraph." Thanks again for ALL YOU DO FOR US!!! BEST, Lloyd Lewis, Kenova, WV. To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:45:04 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sounds like "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" meet "O Brother, Where Art Thou"! Sam Putney. From: NW Mailing List To: 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery Bluefield Daily Telegraph March 30, 1910 SUSPECTED OF ROBBERY OF MAIL CRANE ------ Man Alleged to Have Been a Partner of Kentucky Joe is Under Arrest At Keystone The Keystone police have a man named Thurman Givens under arrest on suspicion of knowing something about the stealing of a mail sack from the mail crane at Eckman on the night of February 26th. The man denies that he had anything to do with the robbery and rifling of the sack but admits that he was asleep in a coke oven nearby the night the robbery occurred. When arrested he gave his name as Sam Spaulding, but since that time it has been found that he also goes under the name of Jack Perdue, although Givens is his correct name. He is alleged to have been a partner of Kentucky Joe, who was arrested in the west end yards about a year ago and who was a notorious postoffice robber. He also, it is said, was a pal of Fatty Dorn, who admitted robbing the postoffice at Tip Top. Red Cunningham, who was also arrested at that time, has been seen in and around Keystone since the rifling of the mail sack, and on account of his former connections with the postoffice robberies it is believed that he had a hand in the matter. Cunningham has also made several attempts to see Givens while he has been in jail. Kentucky Joe, it will be remembered, was one of a gang which held out at Meg Lowe's at Tazewell, and Kentucky Joe was the only one of that bunch who got away. He came to this city where he was picked up by Officer Howell and Special Officer A. M. Wade. He is now serving time in the federal prison at Atlanta. The mail sack which was robbed at Eckman was hanging on the crane where it was placed by the postmaster. No. 16 was an hour and three-quarters late that night and while no one was around the sack was stolen, rifled and the letters and sack cut up and thrown in the Elkhorn creek. ------ [The names of these people sound like characters from a Damon Runyon novel.] Gordon Hamilton _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Oct 14 20:16:56 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:16:56 +0000 Subject: J #604/611 Data In-Reply-To: References: <4AB56A09.8040704@vt.edu> <001d01ca399e$487c6b90$d97542b0$@net><3A24087D4D954080986F61541B0672DF@Jimmy><001b01ca3ad6$a3e2c2c0$eba84840$@net> Message-ID: I will provide my private email address so those who wish to reply to this message can reply to me privately, especially those who would like to submit information for my 611 book. Lois J. Ponton Friends of the 611 ljp611 at ntelos.net To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: RE: J #604/611 Data Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:56:52 +0000 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org First, I have a interesting question: Why was 604 the first J to go to scrap? Second, in my completion of the book Midnight on the Pocahontas (about 611's 1956 wreck) I have to cover why the 611 was preserved. I would like this to be a private conversation, but I would like to speak with former N&W employees and the like who have information on why the 611 is still with us today. The subject can also be discussed on the board at the moderator's wish. Lois J. Ponton Friends of the 611 > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: Re: J #604 builders plate > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:33:39 -0400 > From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > Jimmy > K2 Would have had the regular Alco Brooks rectangle plate, K2a Would > have a regular 9 1/4 Baldwin > round plate. Some that I have seen were chromed but not all of them may have > worn off like most of the > Js did. > > Larry Evans > Kenova,WV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NW Mailing List" > To: "NW Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:10 PM > Subject: RE: J #604 builders plate > > > Any particular reason they moved them? > > Mike Weeks > Greenville NC Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Oct 15 09:55:21 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:55:21 -0400 Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren Message-ID: <4AD729C9.4020504@vt.edu> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with 10 of the Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. As we approached "Country Cookin'" last night,Ruf announced to me that he had forgotten his teeth again. He refused to let me take him back home to get them and said "I can just 'eat softly tonight'". Rufus Wingfield has no trouble eating or talking with or without his choppers. I passed around several items for the Brethren to "chew on" including the October "NRHS News". It reports their National Convention in Minnesota this year that our own Landon Gregory and his wife Sondra attended. The only local item announced the Roanoke Chapter NRHS fall excursions to Bluefield and Shenandoah on November 7 and 8. The Bluefield trip is almost full but there are plenty of coach seats available for Shenandoah. This train ride up the scenic and beautiful Shenandoah Valley will be during the peak of the fall color change. There will be a "sit down" meal at Shenandoah. For more information and to get tickets, call 540 774 0611. The Virginian Railway sales on ebay this time include: A small brass bell stamped "VGN RY" sold for $61.05; "The VGN Era" by our own Lloyd Lewis for $31.00; "VGN Rails" $68.00; Original slide of VGN #214 $27.99; Original Slide of a Box Cab $56.10 and the deal of the year, a silver creamer marked "VGN RWY" for $70.69. Also passed around was Norfolk Southern September/October "BIZ/NS" that included an article about their "next generation dispatching system". Landon Gregory, who started out on the VGN as an operator at Abilene was impressed. This new system is a far distance from Landon sending messages "out on the wire" with a telegraph key using a dot-dash code... I showed the Brethren my latest VGN artifact purchase, a manual of the 6800 HP EL-2B "with a million pounds on drivers". This booklet showed speed-tractive effort and speed-braking effort curves that would give any current diesel-electric locomotives a run for their money. It lists all mechanical and electrical parts as well as accessories that included "one double register watthour meter in each cab for measuring watt hours consumed in motoring and the watt hours returned to the contact system during regenerative braking". Also shown was a photo of a diving helmet found at Sewalls Point with a rotted rubber diving suit. Gordon's Hamilton"s find of the "Bluefield Daily Telegraph" of 3/26/1910 was especially entertaining to the Brethren. It stated that "Bluefield will be a 'jerkwater town' unless she gets another railroad, when one is as near by as the VGN". I showed a clipping from Monday's "Roanoke Times" from 100 years ago stating "Roanoke will soon be the home of the world's largest originating coal hauling railroad. This distinction was ascertained yesterday when the Interstate Commerce Commission stamped approval on the merger of the Virginian and Norfolk and Western railroads". The DVD shown was the entire 9-11-09 Ceremony of the presentation of a flag and flag pole at the Virginian Station. It was taken by Landon Gregory's daughter Melissa Gregory-Smith. Yesterday I met at the Station with Eric Grierson, Publishing Manager and Owner of "Discover" Magazine. He took over 100 photos of the Station and is planning an article in their next issue of our Renovation Project as well as one during the construction work and a "before and after" comparison article upon our completion. He provided me with enough of their current magazines for each of the Brethren to have one. The latest one includes a spread with many photos of the moves of the "lost engines of Roanoke" and we are looking forward to seeing his covering or our Project. One of the Brethren, who wants to remain anonymous, told the following story: Two country boys were traveling late at night on a remote winding road drinking their favorite beer. Up ahead they spotted the Sheriff's road check. The driver pulled over and told the other to "quick, peel the label off that Blue Ribbon and put it on your forehead. When we get to the road block, tell them 'we're on the beer-patch trying to stop drinking'". Time to pull the pin on this one! Departing Now from V248, Skip Salmon ============= From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Oct 15 12:43:11 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:43:11 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Matoaka Message-ID: <8A99552630724F0FB8E3E725AC1A7EE3@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph March 31, 1910 LONGEST WAY HOME NOT QUICKEST ------ Good Story on President of County Court Told by Himself--Delayed by Political Argument A good story is told by the president of the county court on himself. He was at Matoaka on Monday and became so interested in a political argument that he allowed the Norfolk and Western train to go off and leave him. Casting about for a way to get home he finally had to take a train to Princeton, from which point he had to ride the hack to Ingleside. From Ingleside he came to this city on train No. 3 and from here went on home, arriving there a good many hours after he had expected to arrive. It is really strange what politics will do for some people. The president of the court on account of a political argument had to take a roundabout trip of thirty-fire miles to get to Bramwell when a ten mile railroad trip would have gotten him there if it had not been for some pow wow. In addition to this he had to make the usual explanations at home. He says hereafter he will only talk politics at the depot. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Oct 15 13:17:59 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:17:59 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery -- great names and movies -- PLUSDead Bodies on the N&W Main Line In MAC Dowell County, WV!! References: <3AD71457CF7240959B74C9B045F4D88B@DellVostro> Message-ID: <001401ca4dbb$735824e0$6500a8c0@Dad> Lloyd, I've heard the same story about how "dead man's cut" between North Fork and Keystone got its name. I heard the body count would go after pay day at the mines when the poor miners would go in town get drunk and get robbed. Kind of like the mugging gangs that preyed on tipsy sailors in port cities. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: chat group Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: RE: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery -- great names and movies -- PLUSDead Bodies on the N&W Main Line In MAC Dowell County, WV!! Sam & Gordon, You are so right about those below names, Gordon, and, Sam, about the "meeting" of the two famous movies you cited, Sam!! Say, Gordon, my ex-wife's Grandfather, a for-real circuit-riding Methodist Minister in McDowell County around and about 1900-1910 told me that at least one dead body -- usually male, I am sure -- was found in the deep cut between Keystone and North Fork every Sunday or Monday morning after the body was tossed there to be run over by any train whatsoever. The poor man was probably the bad loser of a poker game -- and since there was probably nothing but a rutted wagon road between these two municipalities -- the railroad track was the logical place to dispose of such a body. You ever come across any such incidents in Our "Bluefield Daily Telegraph." Thanks again for ALL YOU DO FOR US!!! BEST, Lloyd Lewis, Kenova, WV. To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:45:04 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sounds like "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" meet "O Brother, Where Art Thou"! Sam Putney. From: NW Mailing List To: 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery Bluefield Daily Telegraph March 30, 1910 SUSPECTED OF ROBBERY OF MAIL CRANE ------ Man Alleged to Have Been a Partner of Kentucky Joe is Under Arrest At Keystone The Keystone police have a man named Thurman Givens under arrest on suspicion of knowing something about the stealing of a mail sack from the mail crane at Eckman on the night of February 26th. The man denies that he had anything to do with the robbery and rifling of the sack but admits that he was asleep in a coke oven nearby the night the robbery occurred. When arrested he gave his name as Sam Spaulding, but since that time it has been found that he also goes under the name of Jack Perdue, although Givens is his correct name. He is alleged to have been a partner of Kentucky Joe, who was arrested in the west end yards about a year ago and who was a notorious postoffice robber. He also, it is said, was a pal of Fatty Dorn, who admitted robbing the postoffice at Tip Top. Red Cunningham, who was also arrested at that time, has been seen in and around Keystone since the rifling of the mail sack, and on account of his former connections with the postoffice robberies it is believed that he had a hand in the matter. Cunningham has also made several attempts to see Givens while he has been in jail. Kentucky Joe, it will be remembered, was one of a gang which held out at Meg Lowe's at Tazewell, and Kentucky Joe was the only one of that bunch who got away. He came to this city where he was picked up by Officer Howell and Special Officer A. M. Wade. He is now serving time in the federal prison at Atlanta. The mail sack which was robbed at Eckman was hanging on the crane where it was placed by the postmaster. No. 16 was an hour and three-quarters late that night and while no one was around the sack was stolen, rifled and the letters and sack cut up and thrown in the Elkhorn creek. ------ [The names of these people sound like characters from a Damon Runyon novel.] Gordon Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Oct 15 13:19:55 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:19:55 -0400 Subject: J #604/611 Data References: <4AB56A09.8040704@vt.edu><001d01ca399e$487c6b90$d97542b0$@net><3A24087D4D954080986F61541B0672DF@Jimmy><001b01ca3ad6$a3e2c2c0$eba84840$@net> Message-ID: <002201ca4dbb$b6c0c430$6500a8c0@Dad> I've always heard that the 611 was preserved because it was the last J remaining and O. Winston Link made a personal appeal to Stuart Saunders to save it. I'm sure the Link Museum can provide more definitive information. Sam Putney ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:16 PM Subject: RE: J #604/611 Data I will provide my private email address so those who wish to reply to this message can reply to me privately, especially those who would like to submit information for my 611 book. Lois J. Ponton Friends of the 611 ljp611 at ntelos.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: RE: J #604/611 Data Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:56:52 +0000 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org First, I have a interesting question: Why was 604 the first J to go to scrap? Second, in my completion of the book Midnight on the Pocahontas (about 611's 1956 wreck) I have to cover why the 611 was preserved. I would like this to be a private conversation, but I would like to speak with former N&W employees and the like who have information on why the 611 is still with us today. The subject can also be discussed on the board at the moderator's wish. Lois J. Ponton Friends of the 611 > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: Re: J #604 builders plate > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:33:39 -0400 > From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > Jimmy > K2 Would have had the regular Alco Brooks rectangle plate, K2a Would > have a regular 9 1/4 Baldwin > round plate. Some that I have seen were chromed but not all of them may have > worn off like most of the > Js did. > > Larry Evans > Kenova,WV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NW Mailing List" > To: "NW Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:10 PM > Subject: RE: J #604 builders plate > > > Any particular reason they moved them? > > Mike Weeks > Greenville NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. Check it out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Oct 15 13:38:43 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:38:43 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Matoaka In-Reply-To: <8A99552630724F0FB8E3E725AC1A7EE3@DellVostro> References: <8A99552630724F0FB8E3E725AC1A7EE3@DellVostro> Message-ID: <71564C63C19046B1805352BFD118536F@NelsonPC> Obviously politicians haven't changed in a hundred years! Nelson Burks ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 4VGN Ry Yahoo Group ; 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--Matoaka Bluefield Daily Telegraph March 31, 1910 LONGEST WAY HOME NOT QUICKEST ------ Good Story on President of County Court Told by Himself--Delayed by Political Argument A good story is told by the president of the county court on himself. He was at Matoaka on Monday and became so interested in a political argument that he allowed the Norfolk and Western train to go off and leave him. Casting about for a way to get home he finally had to take a train to Princeton, from which point he had to ride the hack to Ingleside. From Ingleside he came to this city on train No. 3 and from here went on home, arriving there a good many hours after he had expected to arrive. It is really strange what politics will do for some people. The president of the court on account of a political argument had to take a roundabout trip of thirty-fire miles to get to Bramwell when a ten mile railroad trip would have gotten him there if it had not been for some pow wow. In addition to this he had to make the usual explanations at home. He says hereafter he will only talk politics at the depot. ------ Gordon Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Oct 16 02:17:10 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: N&W 1202 Restoration at Old Dominion NRHS... In-Reply-To: <649272.70249.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <925825.34588.qm@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.odcnrhs.org/1202.htm http://www.odcnrhs.org/ Thanks for the update, Ned. I'm pleased that the roof has been repaired and the car has been painted. That will buy it a few more years.... Best wishes, Frank From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Oct 15 21:24:49 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:24:49 -0400 Subject: Air Brakes Message-ID: <4AD7CB61.8060405@vt.edu> I received a great technical book for my recent birthday called Cyclopedia of Engineering Vol III originally published in 1902 that covers Locomotive Boilers and Engines; Air Brakes; and Self-Contained Railway Cars. In the exhaustive description (profusely illustrated) of the early air brake systems one statement really jumped out when considering the new unit train system installed on the NS coal drag moving on the Bristol line. 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When arrested he gave his name as Sam Spaulding, but since that time it has been found that he also goes under the name of Jack Perdue, although Givens is his correct name. He is alleged to have been a partner of Kentucky Joe, who was arrested in the west end yards about a year ago and who was a notorious postoffice robber. He also, it is said, was a pal of Fatty Dorn, who admitted robbing the postoffice at Tip Top. Red Cunningham, who was also arrested at that time, has been seen in and around Keystone since the rifling of the mail sack, and on account of his former connections with the postoffice robberies it is believed that he had a hand in the matter. Cunningham has also made several attempts to see Givens while he has been in jail. Kentucky Joe, it will be remembered, was one of a gang which held out at Meg Lowe's at Tazewell, and Kentucky Joe was the only one of that bunch who got away. He came to this city where he was picked up by Officer Howell and Special Officer A. M. Wade. He is now serving time in the federal prison at Atlanta. The mail sack which was robbed at Eckman was hanging on the crane where it was placed by the postmaster. No. 16 was an hour and three-quarters late that night and while no one was around the sack was stolen, rifled and the letters and sack cut up and thrown in the Elkhorn creek. ------ [The names of these people sound like characters from a Damon Runyon novel.] Gordon Hamilton October 15, 2009 Good evening: The Post Office Department required that the mail be protected at all times. Ordinarily, a pouch on a crane was supposed to the placed on the crane ten minutes before the actual time a train was to pass --not necessarily the scheduled time-- but I've never clearly understood how someone was to know when a train was late and expected to pass during the early years of the 20th Century. The catch was supposed to be witnessed, as well as observation of any mail dispatched from the Railway Post Office. It's likely that the postmaster in a small town likely figured no one would tamper with the crane. 99.99 percent of the time, that was probably true. The postmaster had a lot of explaining to do to a Postal Inspector about this occurrence and could have been found to be in dereliction of duty. Good night, Frank From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Oct 16 09:47:14 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: 1902 N&W Unit Train Bristol (Item 3) Message-ID: <497054367.1945641255700834549.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Can you expand on this 1902 N&W Unit Coal Train?? Very interesting info. Al Kresse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Oct 16 10:50:36 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:50:36 -0400 Subject: 1902 N&W Unit Train Bristol (Item 3) In-Reply-To: <497054367.1945641255700834549.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <497054367.1945641255700834549.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <309b12130910160750m499607d2ic15f1db3f39682e0@mail.gmail.com> Al, I seem to have confused you. I am comparing a proven technology that was available in 1898 (but not made universal) to the new braking system now being used by Norfolk Southern on train 722. Mike On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:47 AM, NW Mailing List wrote: > Can you expand on this 1902 N&W Unit Coal Train? Very interesting info. > > > > Al Kresse > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Oct 16 13:41:04 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Air Brakes Message-ID: <22263560.1255714864192.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mike: That is interesting! Makes a lot of sense really.... Charlie Long Lynchburg -----Original Message----- >From: NW Mailing List >Sent: Oct 15, 2009 9:24 PM >To: NW Mailing List >Subject: Air Brakes > >I received a great technical book for my recent birthday called Cyclopedia >of Engineering Vol III originally published in 1902 that covers Locomotive >Boilers and Engines; Air Brakes; and Self-Contained Railway Cars. > >In the exhaustive description (profusely illustrated) of the early air >brake systems one statement really jumped out when considering the new unit >train system installed on the NS coal drag moving on the Bristol line. > >I attach scans from the book with the specific reference boxed in red. > >Mike Pierry, Jr. From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Oct 16 14:32:59 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:32:59 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery References: <3AD71457CF7240959B74C9B045F4D88B@DellVostro> <000f01ca4d28$5bc7ece0$6500a8c0@Dad> Message-ID: <5E41482F5E624CF391123DF01EB5FD2D@DellVostro> On the subject of movies, I'm surprised no one has made a crack about the involvement in this mail theft of the Keystone Cops. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery Sounds like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid meet O Brother, Where Art Thou! Sam Putney ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery Bluefield Daily Telegraph March 30, 1910 SUSPECTED OF ROBBERY OF MAIL CRANE ------ Man Alleged to Have Been a Partner of Kentucky Joe is Under Arrest At Keystone The Keystone police have a man named Thurman Givens under arrest on suspicion of knowing something about the stealing of a mail sack from the mail crane at Eckman on the night of February 26th. The man denies that he had anything to do with the robbery and rifling of the sack but admits that he was asleep in a coke oven nearby the night the robbery occurred. When arrested he gave his name as Sam Spaulding, but since that time it has been found that he also goes under the name of Jack Perdue, although Givens is his correct name. He is alleged to have been a partner of Kentucky Joe, who was arrested in the west end yards about a year ago and who was a notorious postoffice robber. He also, it is said, was a pal of Fatty Dorn, who admitted robbing the postoffice at Tip Top. Red Cunningham, who was also arrested at that time, has been seen in and around Keystone since the rifling of the mail sack, and on account of his former connections with the postoffice robberies it is believed that he had a hand in the matter. Cunningham has also made several attempts to see Givens while he has been in jail. Kentucky Joe, it will be remembered, was one of a gang which held out at Meg Lowe's at Tazewell, and Kentucky Joe was the only one of that bunch who got away. He came to this city where he was picked up by Officer Howell and Special Officer A. M. Wade. He is now serving time in the federal prison at Atlanta. The mail sack which was robbed at Eckman was hanging on the crane where it was placed by the postmaster. No. 16 was an hour and three-quarters late that night and while no one was around the sack was stolen, rifled and the letters and sack cut up and thrown in the Elkhorn creek. ------ [The names of these people sound like characters from a Damon Runyon novel.] Gordon Hamilton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Oct 16 16:26:40 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:26:40 +0000 Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery In-Reply-To: <5E41482F5E624CF391123DF01EB5FD2D@DellVostro> Message-ID: <20091016202640.VUW5P.86643.root@hrndva-web03-z01> No, and we weren't going to, either, but then you just had to do it, didn't you? EdKing ---- NW Mailing List wrote: > On the subject of movies, I'm surprised no one has made a crack about the involvement in this mail theft of the Keystone Cops. > > Gordon Hamilton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NW Mailing List > To: NW Mailing List > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery > > > Sounds like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid meet O Brother, Where Art Thou! > > Sam Putney > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NW Mailing List > To: 3N&W Mailing List > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:21 PM > Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery > > > Bluefield Daily Telegraph > March 30, 1910 > > SUSPECTED OF ROBBERY OF MAIL CRANE > ------ > Man Alleged to Have Been a Partner of Kentucky Joe is Under Arrest At Keystone > The Keystone police have a man named Thurman Givens under arrest on suspicion of knowing something about the stealing of a mail sack from the mail crane at Eckman on the night of February 26th. The man denies that he had anything to do with the robbery and rifling of the sack but admits that he was asleep in a coke oven nearby the night the robbery occurred. When arrested he gave his name as Sam Spaulding, but since that time it has been found that he also goes under the name of Jack Perdue, although Givens is his correct name. He is alleged to have been a partner of Kentucky Joe, who was arrested in the west end yards about a year ago and who was a notorious postoffice robber. He also, it is said, was a pal of Fatty Dorn, who admitted robbing the postoffice at Tip Top. Red Cunningham, who was also arrested at that time, has been seen in and around Keystone since the rifling of the mail sack, and on account of his former connections with the postoffice robberies it is believed that he had a hand in the matter. Cunningham has also made several attempts to see Givens while he has been in jail. Kentucky Joe, it will be remembered, was one of a gang which held out at Meg Lowe's at Tazewell, and Kentucky Joe was the only one of that bunch who got away. He came to this city where he was picked up by Officer Howell and Special Officer A. M. Wade. He is now serving time in the federal prison at Atlanta. The mail sack which was robbed at Eckman was hanging on the crane where it was placed by the postmaster. No. 16 was an hour and three-quarters late that night and while no one was around the sack was stolen, rifled and the letters and sack cut up and thrown in the Elkhorn creek. > ------ > [The names of these people sound like characters from a Damon Runyon novel.] > > Gordon Hamilton > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.16/2435 - Release Date: 10/14/09 06:33:00 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Oct 16 17:54:46 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:46 -0400 Subject: N&W 1202 Restoration at Old Dominion NRHS... In-Reply-To: <925825.34588.qm@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <925825.34588.qm@web30108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: N&W 1202...hmm, why did I think this was a steam locomotive? What was the lowest numbered Class A? Brian Gilleran On Oct 16, 2009, at 2:17 AM, NW Mailing List wrote: > http://www.odcnrhs.org/1202.htm > > http://www.odcnrhs.org/ > > > Thanks for the update, Ned. I'm pleased that the roof has been > repaired and the car has been painted. That will buy it a few more > years.... > > Best wishes, > > Frank > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Oct 16 21:56:19 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:56:19 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Scioto improvements Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph April 1, 1910 WORK BEGINS TO SHOW ------ Norfolk and Western Improvements on Scioto Division Are Well Under Way The work being done by the Norfolk and Western in the Pole land across the Scioto river from Chillicothe begins to show what is intended. It will be a costly piece of engineering. The bridge alone to be erected over the Scioto will cost $10,000. Engineers are busily engaged in surveying about the yards, making plans for the installation of the above road's double tracking through Chillicothe. The old Sheer's building is being moved over to the southern part of the Norfolk and Western yards where it will be used as an office for the engineers of the company. ------ [Anyone know what is meant by "Pole land?"] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Oct 17 11:26:06 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:26:06 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Accident Message-ID: <90B7005D8151432AA9D837E8F54E3C48@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph April 2, 1910 ENGINEER DEAD AND FIREMAN BADLY HURT ------ Five Passengers Injured When Norfolk and Western Train Was Derailed at Watts Tank ------ Engineer John Griffith was killed and Fireman John Vaughan and five passengers were injured yesterday afternoon at 4:30 o'clock when Norfolk and Western passenger train No. 17 was derailed at Watts Tank. The engine and tender rolled over the bank while the baggage car and two coaches were overturned. A deadhead baggage car on the rear of the train left the track. The train was running about thirty miles an hour when the derailment occurred. Engineer John Griffith, who has been running on their road for the past twenty years, was found decapitated under his engine while the fireman was seriously injured. At first it was not thought any passengers were hurt, but a closer examination proved that five sustained slight injuries. Williamson shop track talk placed the number of injured at twelve, but this must be slightly exaggerated, as it does not agree with the reports received at Mr. Spangler's office in Roanoke. Watts Tank, where the derailment occurred, is a small station near Dunlow, about fifty miles from Williamson, and the train which met with the accident runs between Williamson and Portsmouth, leaving Williamson at 2 o'clock. The train crew make their homes at Portsmouth and very few particulars could be leaned at Williamson. Williamson was not able to say who the injured passengers are, and whether or not any people from Williamson or surrounding towns were on the train could not be learned here last night. The cause of the wreck has not been determined. Captain McCullough said last night in this city that Engineer Griffith, who is a single man and forty-eight years of age, was one of the oldest men in service on the road. He and Captain McCullough ran on the same train for years and the man was very popular. ------ (By Associated Press) Portsmouth, April 1--A Norfolk and Western local passenger train jumped the track on a curve at Watts, W. Va., forty-five miles east of Kenova, and was badly wrecked tonight. The engine, baggage and express cars were turned completely over and a second-class coach was partly telescoped. John Griffin, of this city, engineer, was found buried beneath the baggage car. He was decapitated. The fireman was seriously hurt. A number of passengers were injured. ------ [This is another example why engineers of that day were referred to as "the brave engineer." Dunlow was on the Twelve Pole line 46 miles east of Kenova, making it one mile east of Watts Tank (according to the Watts location given immediately above) and almost exactly mid way between Williamson and Kenova.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Oct 17 10:21:03 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:21:03 -0400 Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 48, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <540e48700910170721n78f632d9h1982a5bf78ecec22@mail.gmail.com> Gentlemen, Sam and Gordon and others: I wonder ....... COULD this tale have been the origin at least of the name for those Keystone Cops early movies? I wonder and Sam and Gordon, you may have hit on something here. Speculation and perhaps even wild Spec but still ..... maybe? On the subject of movies, I'm surprised no one has made a crack about the involvement in this mail theft of the Keystone Cops. Gordon Hamilton ?----- Original Message ----- ?From: NW Mailing List ?To: NW Mailing List ?Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:45 PM ?Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery ?Sounds like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid meet O Brother, Where Art Thou! ?Sam Putney ?Bluefield Daily Telegraph ? ?March 30, 1910 ?SUSPECTED OF ROBBERY OF MAIL CRANE ? ?------ Man Alleged to Have Been a Partner of Kentucky Joe is Under Arrest At Keystone The Keystone police have a man named Thurman Givens under arrest on suspicion of knowing something about the stealing of a mail sack from the mail crane at Eckman on the night of February 26th. The man denies that he had anything to do with the robbery and rifling of the sack but admits that he was asleep in a coke oven nearby the night the robbery occurred. When arrested he gave his name as Sam Spaulding, but since that time it has been found that he also goes under the name of Jack Perdue, although Givens is his correct name. ?He is alleged to have been a partner of Kentucky Joe, who was arrested in the west end yards about a year ago and who was a notorious postoffice robber. ?He also, it is said, was a pal of Fatty Dorn, who admitted robbing the postoffice at Tip Top. Red Cunningham, who was also arrested at that time, has been seen in and around Keystone since the rifling of the mail sack, and on account of his former connections with the postoffice robberies it is believed that he had a hand in the matter. Cunningham has also made several attempts to see Givens while he has been in jail. ?Kentucky Joe, it will be remembered, was one of a gang which held out at Meg Lowe's at Tazewell, and Kentucky Joe was the only one of that bunch who got away. ?He came to this city where he was picked up by Officer Howell and Special Officer A. M. Wade. ?He is now serving time in the federal prison at Atlanta. The mail sack which was robbed at Eckman was hanging on the crane where it was placed by the postmaster. No. 16 was an hour and three-quarters late that night and while no one was around the sack was stolen, rifled and the letters and sack cut up and thrown in the Elkhorn creek. ? ?------ ?[The names of these people sound like characters from a Damon Runyon novel.] ?Gordon Hamilton From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Oct 17 12:08:01 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:08:01 -0400 Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 48, Issue 23 References: <540e48700910170721n78f632d9h1982a5bf78ecec22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5865ACF8BA0B48F9A17927572D2B72D4@DellVostro> No such luck. According to info on the Web, the Keystone Kops (later Keystone Cops) movies were produced by Mack Sennett for his Keystone Film Company. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Re: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 48, Issue 23 Gentlemen, Sam and Gordon and others: I wonder ....... COULD this tale have been the origin at least of the name for those Keystone Cops early movies? I wonder and Sam and Gordon, you may have hit on something here. Speculation and perhaps even wild Spec but still ..... maybe? On the subject of movies, I'm surprised no one has made a crack about the involvement in this mail theft of the Keystone Cops. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery Sounds like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid meet O Brother, Where Art Thou! Sam Putney Bluefield Daily Telegraph March 30, 1910 SUSPECTED OF ROBBERY OF MAIL CRANE ------ Man Alleged to Have Been a Partner of Kentucky Joe is Under Arrest At Keystone The Keystone police have a man named Thurman Givens under arrest on suspicion of knowing something about the stealing of a mail sack from the mail crane at Eckman on the night of February 26th. The man denies that he had anything to do with the robbery and rifling of the sack but admits that he was asleep in a coke oven nearby the night the robbery occurred. When arrested he gave his name as Sam Spaulding, but since that time it has been found that he also goes under the name of Jack Perdue, although Givens is his correct name. He is alleged to have been a partner of Kentucky Joe, who was arrested in the west end yards about a year ago and who was a notorious postoffice robber. He also, it is said, was a pal of Fatty Dorn, who admitted robbing the postoffice at Tip Top. Red Cunningham, who was also arrested at that time, has been seen in and around Keystone since the rifling of the mail sack, and on account of his former connections with the postoffice robberies it is believed that he had a hand in the matter. Cunningham has also made several attempts to see Givens while he has been in jail. Kentucky Joe, it will be remembered, was one of a gang which held out at Meg Lowe's at Tazewell, and Kentucky Joe was the only one of that bunch who got away. He came to this city where he was picked up by Officer Howell and Special Officer A. M. Wade. He is now serving time in the federal prison at Atlanta. The mail sack which was robbed at Eckman was hanging on the crane where it was placed by the postmaster. No. 16 was an hour and three-quarters late that night and while no one was around the sack was stolen, rifled and the letters and sack cut up and thrown in the Elkhorn creek. ------ [The names of these people sound like characters from a Damon Runyon novel.] Gordon Hamilton ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2441 - Release Date: 10/16/09 18:39:00 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Oct 18 09:14:43 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:14:43 -0400 Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 48, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <5865ACF8BA0B48F9A17927572D2B72D4@DellVostro> References: <540e48700910170721n78f632d9h1982a5bf78ecec22@mail.gmail.com> <5865ACF8BA0B48F9A17927572D2B72D4@DellVostro> Message-ID: Hmmmm, I would have sworn it would have been Hal Roach Studios... Mark Lindsey Stuck in the 1930's - "You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil has to be lead" - Stan Laurel, 1931 On Oct 17, 2009, at 12:08 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: No such luck. According to info on the Web, the Keystone Kops (later Keystone Cops) movies were produced by Mack Sennett for his Keystone Film Company. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Re: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 48, Issue 23 Gentlemen, Sam and Gordon and others: I wonder ....... COULD this tale have been the origin at least of the name for those Keystone Cops early movies? I wonder and Sam and Gordon, you may have hit on something here. Speculation and perhaps even wild Spec but still ..... maybe? On the subject of movies, I'm surprised no one has made a crack about the involvement in this mail theft of the Keystone Cops. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery Sounds like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid meet O Brother, Where Art Thou! Sam Putney Bluefield Daily Telegraph March 30, 1910 SUSPECTED OF ROBBERY OF MAIL CRANE ------ Man Alleged to Have Been a Partner of Kentucky Joe is Under Arrest At Keystone The Keystone police have a man named Thurman Givens under arrest on suspicion of knowing something about the stealing of a mail sack from the mail crane at Eckman on the night of February 26th. The man denies that he had anything to do with the robbery and rifling of the sack but admits that he was asleep in a coke oven nearby the night the robbery occurred. When arrested he gave his name as Sam Spaulding, but since that time it has been found that he also goes under the name of Jack Perdue, although Givens is his correct name. He is alleged to have been a partner of Kentucky Joe, who was arrested in the west end yards about a year ago and who was a notorious postoffice robber. He also, it is said, was a pal of Fatty Dorn, who admitted robbing the postoffice at Tip Top. Red Cunningham, who was also arrested at that time, has been seen in and around Keystone since the rifling of the mail sack, and on account of his former connections with the postoffice robberies it is believed that he had a hand in the matter. Cunningham has also made several attempts to see Givens while he has been in jail. Kentucky Joe, it will be remembered, was one of a gang which held out at Meg Lowe's at Tazewell, and Kentucky Joe was the only one of that bunch who got away. He came to this city where he was picked up by Officer Howell and Special Officer A. M. Wade. He is now serving time in the federal prison at Atlanta. The mail sack which was robbed at Eckman was hanging on the crane where it was placed by the postmaster. No. 16 was an hour and three-quarters late that night and while no one was around the sack was stolen, rifled and the letters and sack cut up and thrown in the Elkhorn creek. ------ [The names of these people sound like characters from a Damon Runyon novel.] Gordon Hamilton ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2441 - Release Date: 10/16/09 18:39:00 ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ Mark Lindsey y3a at earthlink.net From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Oct 18 11:10:17 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:10:17 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery -- great names and movies -- PLUSDead Bodies on the N&W Main Line In MAC Dowell County, WV!! In-Reply-To: <001401ca4dbb$735824e0$6500a8c0@Dad> References: <3AD71457CF7240959B74C9B045F4D88B@DellVostro> <001401ca4dbb$735824e0$6500a8c0@Dad> Message-ID: <8CC1E1C3CAD79DB-57C8-1BD98@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com> heard the body count would go after pay day at the mines when the poor miners would go in town get drunk and get robbed. Kind of like the mugging gangs that preyed on tipsy sailors in port cities. Sam -- The poor man was probably the bad loser of a poker game -- Drunk ? Poker games ? How about Keystone's main attraction, Cinder Bottom ? One N&W employee who owned a service station in Keystone once told me that those providing service were just like locomotives -- the West Virginia Health Department required that they be inspected (at Welch) every 90 days. (Actually a locomotive can go 93 days between federally-mandated inspecions). Harry Bundy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Oct 18 17:50:05 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:50:05 -0400 Subject: J #604/611 Data In-Reply-To: <4AB56A09.8040704@vt.edu><001d01ca399e$487c6b90$d97542b0$@net><3A24087D4D954080986F61541B0672DF@Jimmy><001b01ca3ad6$a3e2c2c0$eba84840$@net> <002201ca4dbb$b6c0c430$6500a8c0@Dad> References: <4AB56A09.8040704@vt.edu><001d01ca399e$487c6b90$d97542b0$@net><3A24087D4D954080986F61541B0672DF@Jimmy><001b01ca3ad6$a3e2c2c0$eba84840$@net> <002201ca4dbb$b6c0c430$6500a8c0@Dad> Message-ID: I had the pleasure a few years ago of attending an environmental course with a member of the Norfolk Southern environmental department. I struck up a conversation with him and during the course of that conversation he said that the 611 was really the 610. Some time prior to or at the time of the decision to preserve a J-class, a high ranking Norfolk & Western executive ordered the number change. If my acquaintance gave a name of the executive I cannot recall it. Does anyone have more details about this or is this just an "urban legend" associated with 611? Rick Huddle N&WHS #3689 ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: J #604/611 Data I've always heard that the 611 was preserved because it was the last J remaining and O. Winston Link made a personal appeal to Stuart Saunders to save it. I'm sure the Link Museum can provide more definitive information. Sam Putney ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:16 PM Subject: RE: J #604/611 Data I will provide my private email address so those who wish to reply to this message can reply to me privately, especially those who would like to submit information for my 611 book. Lois J. Ponton Friends of the 611 ljp611 at ntelos.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: RE: J #604/611 Data Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:56:52 +0000 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org First, I have a interesting question: Why was 604 the first J to go to scrap? Second, in my completion of the book Midnight on the Pocahontas (about 611's 1956 wreck) I have to cover why the 611 was preserved. I would like this to be a private conversation, but I would like to speak with former N&W employees and the like who have information on why the 611 is still with us today. The subject can also be discussed on the board at the moderator's wish. Lois J. Ponton Friends of the 611 > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: Re: J #604 builders plate > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:33:39 -0400 > From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > Jimmy > K2 Would have had the regular Alco Brooks rectangle plate, K2a Would > have a regular 9 1/4 Baldwin > round plate. Some that I have seen were chromed but not all of them may have > worn off like most of the > Js did. > > Larry Evans > Kenova,WV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NW Mailing List" > To: "NW Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:10 PM > Subject: RE: J #604 builders plate > > > Any particular reason they moved them? > > Mike Weeks > Greenville NC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. Check it out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Oct 18 18:12:57 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:12:57 -0400 Subject: Special guest speaker for this Tuesday, October 20th at the Potomac Chapter, NRHS In-Reply-To: <530666.59799.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <530666.59799.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <540e48700910181512q727fee21y99c507c6e1e94e1f@mail.gmail.com> This coming Tuesday evening the Potomac Chapter is proud to invite any and all persons interested in meeting and hearing Mr. August Thieme as our guest speaker at our monthly meeting in Rockville, Maryland. Mr. Thieme as some of you may know took many fine stills and 16mm movies of steam railroads in the late 1940's and early 1950's as well as also being the author of an excellent book on the N&W in its last years ... "The N&W, As I knew It" published by the N&W HS. Many of his films have been transferred to video and we will see a selection of some of what he took way back when most of were not yet around or were unaware of the changing of the guard of the railroads. Much of what he filmed was taken not too far from his home region near Richmond, Va. and included the Southern, SAL, ACL, N&W and RF&P. This is a rare opportunity indeed and probably one which if you miss, you just might be sorry. The location of our monthly meeting is at the Montgomery County Executive Office Building at 101 Monroe Street in Rockville, MD. The Potomac Chapter's information line with a recorded message is 301-946-9461. Our meeting is held only 3 blocks away from the Rockville Metro station for those so inclined. Parking is free across the street from the bank at the corner of Monroe and East Jefferson. If you desire further directions or information, please feel free to contact me direct at: ORL96782 at yahoo.com. Thank you. Bob Cohen From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Oct 18 22:11:14 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:11:14 +0000 Subject: J #604/611 Data In-Reply-To: References: <4AB56A09.8040704@vt.edu><001d01ca399e$487c6b90$d97542b0$@net><3A24087D4D954080986F61541B0672DF@Jimmy><001b01ca3ad6$a3e2c2c0$eba84840$@net> <002201ca4dbb$b6c0c430$6500a8c0@Dad> Message-ID: Lois, That guy was really pulling one over on you. That is without any doubt, the most preposterous lie ever told. Take it from a Norfolk Southern locomotive engineer, myself, who had the priviledge of not only operating 611, but working on her. For one thing, there are quite a few differences between 611 and 610, so someone would have had to go to extreme lengths to change 610, built in 1943, into 611, built in 1950. I wrote an an article on the differences between the J's, a couple of years ago. You can contact me offline at nwvgn at Hotmail.com, and I will send it to you. Briefly, there are two visual differences: 1) If you view photos of any of the 600-610 J's, you will notice that the hand-grab along the casing at the sandbox is located on the SIDE of the casing, whereas on 611-613, the hand grab is located on the TOP EDGE of the casing. Look closely, and you can see the difference. 2) The top deck of the tenders on 600-610 were sloped, while the tender decks of 611-613 were flat. Finally, 611 still has the dent on the boiler that we found when the casing was removed in Birmingham, and still shows the dents in the tender from her 1956 slide into the Tug river, of which your forthcoming book will detail. Like I said earlier, there are a few more differences, but seriously, 611 is the real thing. Thanks, Jim Flummer To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: J #604/611 Data Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:50:05 -0400 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org I had the pleasure a few years ago of attending an environmental course with a member of the Norfolk Southern environmental department. I struck up a conversation with him and during the course of that conversation he said that the 611 was really the 610. Some time prior to or at the time of the decision to preserve a J-class, a high ranking Norfolk & Western executive ordered the number change. If my acquaintance gave a name of the executive I cannot recall it. Does anyone have more details about this or is this just an "urban legend" associated with 611? Rick Huddle N&WHS #3689 ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: J #604/611 Data I've always heard that the 611 was preserved because it was the last J remaining and O. Winston Link made a personal appeal to Stuart Saunders to save it. I'm sure the Link Museum can provide more definitive information. Sam Putney ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:16 PM Subject: RE: J #604/611 Data I will provide my private email address so those who wish to reply to this message can reply to me privately, especially those who would like to submit information for my 611 book. Lois J. Ponton Friends of the 611 ljp611 at ntelos.net To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: RE: J #604/611 Data Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:56:52 +0000 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org First, I have a interesting question: Why was 604 the first J to go to scrap? Second, in my completion of the book Midnight on the Pocahontas (about 611's 1956 wreck) I have to cover why the 611 was preserved. I would like this to be a private conversation, but I would like to speak with former N&W employees and the like who have information on why the 611 is still with us today. The subject can also be discussed on the board at the moderator's wish. Lois J. Ponton Friends of the 611 > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: Re: J #604 builders plate > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:33:39 -0400 > From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > Jimmy > K2 Would have had the regular Alco Brooks rectangle plate, K2a Would > have a regular 9 1/4 Baldwin > round plate. Some that I have seen were chromed but not all of them may have > worn off like most of the > Js did. > > Larry Evans > Kenova,WV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NW Mailing List" > To: "NW Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:10 PM > Subject: RE: J #604 builders plate > > > Any particular reason they moved them? > > Mike Weeks > Greenville NC Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. Check it out. Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Oct 18 22:39:18 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:39:18 EDT Subject: J #604/611 Data Message-ID: Please save these type of posts for April 1st... Thanks. (The real 611 was buried in the Smith Mountain Lake dam with 1,924 tuscan red color chip (color drift) cards...) Also unknown to many historians is that the water part of the tender was filled with brass heart locks with keys, lanterns and globes and welded shut just before the concrete was poured. In a message dated 10/18/2009 9:11:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes: I had the pleasure a few years ago of attending an environmental course with a member of the Norfolk Southern environmental department. I struck up a conversation with him and during the course of that conversation he said that the 611 was really the 610. Some time prior to or at the time of the decision to preserve a J-class, a high ranking Norfolk & Western executive ordered the number change. If my acquaintance gave a name of the executive I cannot recall it. Does anyone have more details about this or is this just an "urban legend" associated with 611? Rick Huddle N&WHS #3689 ----- Original Message ----- From: _NW Mailing List_ (mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org) To: _NW Mailing List_ (mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org) Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: J #604/611 Data I've always heard that the 611 was preserved because it was the last J remaining and O. Winston Link made a personal appeal to Stuart Saunders to save it. I'm sure the Link Museum can provide more definitive information. Sam Putney ----- Original Message ----- From: _NW Mailing List_ (mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org) To: _nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org_ (mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org) Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:16 PM Subject: RE: J #604/611 Data I will provide my private email address so those who wish to reply to this message can reply to me privately, especially those who would like to submit information for my 611 book. Lois J. Ponton Friends of the 611 _ljp611 at ntelos.net_ (mailto:ljp611 at ntelos.net) ____________________________________ To: _nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org_ (mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org) Subject: RE: J #604/611 Data Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:56:52 +0000 From: _nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org_ (mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org) First, I have a interesting question: Why was 604 the first J to go to scrap? Second, in my completion of the book Midnight on the Pocahontas (about 611's 1956 wreck) I have to cover why the 611 was preserved. I would like this to be a private conversation, but I would like to speak with former N&W employees and the like who have information on why the 611 is still with us today. The subject can also be discussed on the board at the moderator's wish. Lois J. Ponton Friends of the 611 > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: Re: J #604 builders plate > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:33:39 -0400 > From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > Jimmy > K2 Would have had the regular Alco Brooks rectangle plate, K2a Would > have a regular 9 1/4 Baldwin > round plate. Some that I have seen were chromed but not all of them may have > worn off like most of the > Js did. > > Larry Evans > Kenova,WV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NW Mailing List" > To: "NW Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:10 PM > Subject: RE: J #604 builders plate > > > Any particular reason they moved them? > > Mike Weeks > Greenville NC ____________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! 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URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Oct 18 23:10:25 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 3:10:25 +0000 Subject: J #604/611 Data In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091019031025.DUG96.515567.root@hrndva-web04-z01> Urban legend. When the 611 went into Tug River with #3, it suffered a dent in the boiler. When they stripped the engine at Birmingham, the dent was still there. EdKing ---- NW Mailing List wrote: > I had the pleasure a few years ago of attending an environmental course with a member of the Norfolk Southern environmental department. I struck up a conversation with him and during the course of that conversation he said that the 611 was really the 610. Some time prior to or at the time of the decision to preserve a J-class, a high ranking Norfolk & Western executive ordered the number change. If my acquaintance gave a name of the executive I cannot recall it. Does anyone have more details about this or is this just an "urban legend" associated with 611? > Rick Huddle > N&WHS #3689 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NW Mailing List > To: NW Mailing List > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: J #604/611 Data > > > I've always heard that the 611 was preserved because it was the last J remaining and O. Winston Link made a personal appeal to Stuart Saunders to save it. I'm sure the Link Museum can provide more definitive information. > > Sam Putney > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NW Mailing List > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:16 PM > Subject: RE: J #604/611 Data > > > I will provide my private email address so those who wish to reply to this message can reply to me privately, especially those who would like to submit information for my 611 book. > Lois J. Ponton > Friends of the 611 > ljp611 at ntelos.net > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: RE: J #604/611 Data > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:56:52 +0000 > From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > First, I have a interesting question: > Why was 604 the first J to go to scrap? > Second, in my completion of the book Midnight on the Pocahontas (about 611's 1956 wreck) I have to cover why the 611 was preserved. I would like this to be a private conversation, but I would like to speak with former N&W employees and the like who have information on why the 611 is still with us today. The subject can also be discussed on the board at the moderator's wish. > Lois J. Ponton > Friends of the 611 > > > > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > Subject: Re: J #604 builders plate > > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:33:39 -0400 > > From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > > > Jimmy > > K2 Would have had the regular Alco Brooks rectangle plate, K2a Would > > have a regular 9 1/4 Baldwin > > round plate. Some that I have seen were chromed but not all of them may have > > worn off like most of the > > Js did. > > > > Larry Evans > > Kenova,WV > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "NW Mailing List" > > To: "NW Mailing List" > > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:10 PM > > Subject: RE: J #604 builders plate > > > > > > Any particular reason they moved them? > > > > Mike Weeks > > Greenville NC > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. Check it out. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Oct 18 21:23:17 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:23:17 -0400 Subject: J #604/611 Data In-Reply-To: References: <4AB56A09.8040704@vt.edu><001d01ca399e$487c6b90$d97542b0$@net><3A24087D4D954080986F61541B0672DF@Jimmy><001b01ca3ad6$a3e2c2c0$eba84840$@net> <002201ca4dbb$b6c0c430$6500a8c0@Dad> Message-ID: <1C66854C-9B8C-42EE-871C-8C6D358FD3EE@rev.net> Never heard this one before, but no, not true. The 611 was the last survivor, and the only one in operating condition by summer of 1959. The 611 did and still has a number of parts from other Class J locomotives, I remember seeing tags for 600, 608, 610 and 607 on various appliances and parts, probably more as well. None of the Class J were ever renumbered. He may have heard the story of the C&O J-3a No. 614, which was renumbered late in the steam era to avoid a conflict with a leased RF&P locomotive, it was renumbered simply by chiseling the part of the 4 off the number plate, making it 611, which it remained at until restored to operating condition in 1979. Ken Miller On Oct 18, 2009, at 5:50 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: > I had the pleasure a few years ago of attending an environmental > course with a member of the Norfolk Southern environmental > department. I struck up a conversation with him and during the > course of that conversation he said that the 611 was really the > 610. Some time prior to or at the time of the decision to preserve > a J-class, a high ranking Norfolk & Western executive ordered the > number change. If my acquaintance gave a name of the executive I > cannot recall it. Does anyone have more details about this or is > this just an "urban legend" associated with 611? > Rick Huddle > N&WHS #3689 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NW Mailing List > To: NW Mailing List > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: J #604/611 Data > > I've always heard that the 611 was preserved because it was the last > J remaining and O. Winston Link made a personal appeal to Stuart > Saunders to save it. I'm sure the Link Museum can provide more > definitive information. From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Oct 18 22:20:14 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:20:14 -0400 Subject: N&W in 1910--Crossties Message-ID: <868DA8997F144EB48C1911FF86ABCF1C@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph April 5, 1910 GRAHAM DAILY NEWS ------ Accepts Position Henry Peery, late of Norfolk, Va., has accepted a position as tie inspector for the Norfolk and Western railway, with headquarters at Princeton. His family will remain here for the present. ------ [Apparently the N&W was getting crossties from a sawmill at Princeton, although it seems strange that the N&W would get ties off-line.] New Coal Company The Superior Thacker Coal and Coke Company has been granted a charter to do business in the state. The company will develop mines in Mingo County. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Oct 18 23:06:26 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 3:06:26 +0000 Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 48, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091019030626.0RAEH.515508.root@hrndva-web04-z01> Someone said "you can lead a horse to water, but if you can get him to float on his back kicking all four legs in the air, then you've got something." EdKing ---- NW Mailing List wrote: > Hmmmm, I would have sworn it would have been Hal Roach Studios... > > Mark Lindsey > Stuck in the 1930's > > - "You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil has to be lead" > - Stan Laurel, 1931 > > > > > > > On Oct 17, 2009, at 12:08 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: > > No such luck. According to info on the Web, the Keystone Kops (later > Keystone Cops) movies were produced by Mack Sennett for his Keystone > Film Company. > > Gordon Hamilton > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 48, Issue 23 > > > Gentlemen, Sam and Gordon and others: > > I wonder ....... COULD this tale have been the origin at least of the > name for those Keystone Cops early movies? I wonder and Sam and > Gordon, you may have hit on something here. Speculation and perhaps > even wild Spec but still ..... maybe? > > > > On the subject of movies, I'm surprised no one has made a crack about > the involvement in this mail theft of the Keystone Cops. > > Gordon Hamilton > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NW Mailing List > To: NW Mailing List > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Mail robbery > > Sounds like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid meet O Brother, Where > Art Thou! > > Sam Putney > > Bluefield Daily Telegraph > March 30, 1910 > SUSPECTED OF ROBBERY OF MAIL CRANE > ------ > Man Alleged to Have Been a Partner of Kentucky Joe is Under Arrest At > Keystone > > The Keystone police have a man named Thurman Givens under arrest on > suspicion of knowing something about the stealing of a mail sack from > the mail crane at Eckman on the night of February 26th. The man denies > that he had anything to do with the robbery and rifling of the sack > but admits that he was asleep in a coke oven nearby the night the > robbery occurred. When arrested he gave his name as Sam Spaulding, but > since that time it has been found that he also goes under the name of > Jack Perdue, although Givens is his correct name. He is alleged to > have been a partner of Kentucky Joe, who was arrested in the west end > yards about a year ago and who was a notorious postoffice robber. He > also, it is said, was a pal of Fatty Dorn, who admitted robbing the > postoffice at Tip Top. Red Cunningham, who was also arrested at that > time, has been seen in and around Keystone since the rifling of the > mail sack, and on account of his former connections with the > postoffice robberies it is believed that he had a hand in the matter. > Cunningham has also made several attempts to see Givens while he has > been in jail. Kentucky Joe, it will be remembered, was one of a gang > which held out at Meg Lowe's at Tazewell, and Kentucky Joe was the > only one of that bunch who got away. He came to this city where he > was picked up by Officer Howell and Special Officer A. M. Wade. He is > now serving time in the federal prison at Atlanta. The mail sack which > was robbed at Eckman was hanging on the crane where it was placed by > the postmaster. No. 16 was an hour and three-quarters late that night > and while no one was around the sack was stolen, rifled and the > letters and sack cut up and thrown in the Elkhorn creek. > ------ > [The names of these people sound like characters from a Damon Runyon > novel.] > > Gordon Hamilton > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2441 - Release Date: > 10/16/09 18:39:00 > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > Mark Lindsey > y3a at earthlink.net > > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/